Wuhan virus 2020

[Jimbuna]

Health Secretary Matt Hancock announces stricter measures on social mixing for Liverpool, Warrington, Hartlepool and Middlesbrough. Restrictions include a ban on mixing between households in any indoor setting, such as pubs and restaurants. He says the measures across much of the north of England are hard, but that there are signs they are working.

The growth in cases in England may be slowing since measures including the "rule of six" were introduced - study.

MPs' report says "poor communication" with patients from NHS bodies in England has left many "in limbo"

It has emerged that the UK government was warned back in May that its loan scheme for small firms was at "high risk of fraud"

A row has erupted over a lockdown in the Spanish capital Madrid after a sharp rise in coronavirus cases. Madrid's regional government did not vote in favour of the restrictions and questions their legality.

Gatherings of more than 1,000 people will be permitted in Switzerland as the government starts to ease restrictions.

Global sports organisations are dialling in for a virtual summit to discuss ways to make sport more sustainable.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B01ZlRfMnmU

[Jimbuna]

The maximum fine for repeatedly breaching the travel quarantine in England is set to rise from £3,200 to £10,000. The fine for a single offence will remain at £1,000.However in the case of someone committing a second offence it would rise to £2,000, or £4,000 for a third offence.For a fourth or subsequent offence, the fine would be £10,000.

[Skybird]

As said before: a vaccine will not just magically return life to former normality next year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54371559

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B01ZlRfMnmU

The crux of the matter correctly identified and called by its name. There is no money-making in these cheap supplements. Politicians are controlled by pharmaceutical lobbies.

I would even recommend to start stockpiling this and other supplements. There is a money storm coming over the paper money world, due to the unleashed debt-raising frenzy. Maybe not soft gels and oils, but dry pills can be stored for 1-2 years under normal conditions, and if kept cold, light-protected and dry, even longer, most likely. Build a reserve now, while the shortages are not already here. Else you end up like those being in search for toilet paper half a year ago. Add a little bit to your heap of reserves every week. No need to become hectic that way, just continously keep doing it, then even small portions per run will do.

I currently am armed up for half a year of supply in supplements. Plan to slowly increase it. Also, there is the danger that the EU will ban these things, or regulate them to irrelevance to help out their money-craving buddies in the pharma lobby that greased them year for year.

When the bills of this year's money frenzies get handed out, you do not want to stand in the first line, naked and with empty hands and no reserves. You want to be prepared, hidden, and others being unaware of you.


They think it is your citizen'S duty to consume and to buy expensive bad stuff. I recommend you become unloyal and disobedient.

[Skybird]

An illustration for what I repeatedly described as "too much pressure in the kettle". It reminds of the too close relation ship between Boeing and the FAA - and its consequences.

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[Skybird]

Since it currently is a lighttower study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/

If I calculate it correctly, the used dosis of 0.532 mg Vit D3 equals 532 mcg equals 21,280 IE .

Another study with a population of almost 9000 patients has been done in Israel meanwhile. Its conclusions point at the same direction as the Spanish study.

[Jimbuna]

US President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump have tested positive for Covid-19

They are "both well", the White House says. "We will get through this TOGETHER!", the president tweeted.

They received the results after one of the president's closest aides became infected.

President Trump, 74, has been criticised for playing down the severity of the virus in the early stages and often spurning mask wearing and social distancing.

The US has registered the world's highest number of confirmed cases and Covid-related deaths - nearly 208,000

Elsewhere, Scotland's first minister says an SNP MP who travelled by train from London to Scotland after testing positive should resign.

More than 34 million cases have been confirmed globally with around 1.02 million deaths, Johns Hopkins University says.

[Jimbuna]

The news that Donald Trump has tested positive for Covid-19 may concern US voters - but they will not be the first electorate to see their leader fall ill with the virus.

Among the other world leaders to have tested positive are:

Boris Johnson - The UK's prime minister spent three nights in intensive care in April after contracting the virus, and - after being released from hospital - admitted it "could have gone either way".

Juan Orlando Hernández - The Honduran president revealed in a televised address in June that he, his wife and two of his two aides had tested positive for coronavirus.

Jair Bolsonaro - Brazil's president tested positive in July, after previously testing negative on three occasions. He repeatedly played down risks of what he called the "little flu".

Alejandro Giammattei - Guatemala's president tested positive in September after taking his sixth test. He described his symptoms as being "mild", saying that he had some "body aches" and a "bit of a cough".

[Jimbuna]

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said last night the Covid situation was close to critical in the Russian capital and ordered at least 30% of workers to work from home from Monday. Now Deputy Mayor Vladimir Efimov says that number should gradually rise to half. Moscow reported 2,424 new cases on Thursday and top medic Denis Protsenko says Muscovites have not been wearing masks and have started hugging and shaking hands again.

Czechs vote in regional and senate elections today, ahead of a state of emergency from Monday affecting schools, leisure and cultural events. A record 3,493 infections and 12 more deaths have been reported in the past 24 hours.

Germany has reported 2,673 new infections - the highest number since mid-April. Eight more people have died.

Top French chef Philippe Etchebest wants catering workers to "make a noise" outside hotels, cafes and restaurants at 11:45 (09:45GMT) this morning - after the government warned it could decide on Monday to shut them in Paris, Bordeaux, Nice, Lyon and other cities. France has seen 70,458 new cases in the past week.

Madrid leaders will appeal to the National Court against an order to limit movement across the Spanish capital from this weekend. They say they will comply with the order. Spain reported another 182 deaths late on Thursday and 9,419 infections.

[Mr Quatro]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump-joins-list-world-leaders-tested-positive-covid-19

Other notable leaders to test positive include Bolivian interim president Jeanine Anez, 53, and Luis Abinader, 53, the elected president of the Dominican Republic. Anez said she was feeling better after she was in isolation back in July, while Abinader spent weeks in isolation before the country’s July election.

In India, Vice President M. Venkaiah Naidu tested positive for COVID-19 on Tuesday.

"He is, however, asymptomatic and in good health," according to a tweet by his office. "He has been advised home quarantine."

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLST_Kmjopo

[Jimbuna]

Another Dominic who's been a twonk, Dominic West on GMB (Good Morning Britain) this morning, revelling in the presidents positive test in front of Kate Garraway, who's husband was in one of the really serious covid cases earlier this year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/dominic-west-trump-coronavirus-good-morning-britain-kate-garraway-b745361.html

[Gerald]

She is told it's "pretty clear" she should "reflect on her position" by the head of the SNP in Westminster.

MP Margaret Ferrier is to be investigated by the police after she travelled between London and Glasgow despite knowing she had coronavirus.

https://news.sky.com/story/margaret-ferrier-mp-faces-mounting-calls-to-quit-for-coronvirus-rules-breach-12087535

Good move Margaret...:down:

[Skybird]

I do not "leap in joy" over Trump, but I stick to what I said earlier yesterday: its fair and just that he now must share the fate that he helped so hard to bring upon tens and hundreds of thousands of Americans who could have escaped it if he would not have so fundamentally agitated against taking Covid serious.


And different to most of the victims of his policy and agitation and propaganda and ill exmaple-setting, he has access to very priviliged medical help. Once again, like so often in his life, it is the others taking the brunt of the conseqeunces of his decisions.

Not leaping in joy. But then: not feeling any pity as well.

[Jimbuna]

Good move Margaret...:down:

Already covered in the UK Politics thread https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2698744&postcount=12897

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=700p07fPkxU

[Jimbuna]

President Trump is in hospital after being diagnosed with coronavirus.

The White House said the move was out of an "abundance of caution" and his doctor said he was "doing very well"

Ex-adviser Kellyanne Conway, campaign manager Bill Stepien and two Republican senators - Mike Lee and Thom Tillis - all test positive.

Joe Biden, who debated the now Covid-positive US president on Tuesday, has tested negative.

First Lady Melania Trump also has the virus and is recuperating at the White House.

Trump, 74, has been criticised for playing down severity of virus and often spurning masks and social distancing.

In other news, more than a third of the UK's population are now under heightened restrictions.

More than 34 million cases have been confirmed globally with around 1.02 million deaths, Johns Hopkins University says.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1w2EHbBgyQ

[Mr Quatro]

More than 34 million cases have been confirmed globally

Math wise (which I am not) does this compute to 20% or so for the USA vs the whole world?

7,420,609 cases USA vs 34,000,000 global cases

[Jimbuna]

Math wise (which I am not) does this compute to 20% or so for the USA vs the whole world?

7,420,609 cases USA vs 34,000,000 global cases

I really couldn't say but that is the impression the figures appear to be giving :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

Math wise (which I am not) does this compute to 20% or so for the USA vs the whole world?

7,420,609 cases USA vs 34,000,000 global cases

I really couldn't say but that is the impression the figures appear to be giving :hmmm:Additionally the world's announced death toll: around 1,000,000 vs the American deathtoll: approx. 214,000( actual:213,716) would tend to reflect a consistent 20%+- ballpark rate(actual:21.3716%)....:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

President Trump, who is spending a second night in hospital after being diagnosed with Covid-19, says: "I'm doing well"

Earlier, doctors said he was responding well to treatment but the White House chief of staff then spoke of "critical" days ahead.

Trump's doctor says he misspoke when he said the president had been diagnosed more than a day before he told the nation.
..
Meanwhile the UK announced more than 10,000 new cases on Saturday - but the spike was partially blamed on a technical issue with counting.

US First Lady Melania Trump is among a growing group of people around Mr Trump who also have the virus - she is recuperating at the White House.

Trump, 74, has been criticised for playing down severity of virus and often spurning masks and social distancing.

[Jimbuna]

Thousands of Israelis have protested against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his handling of the coronavirus crisis. The street protests took place in defiance of a new law imposing curbs on public gatherings, with the largest crowds seen in Tel Aviv.

The human rights group Amnesty International has said Australia risks action at the United Nations if it fails to bring home thousands of its citizens left stranded overseas because of travel restrictions in place due to the pandemic.

Also in Australia, daily infections in the hotspot state of Victoria rose on Sunday. But officials there said restrictions are still likely to be eased if the broader trend of falling cases continues.

And more than 3m people in Madrid have had new restrictions imposed on their lives as Spain tries to control the most serious second wave of infections in Europe. People there can travel outside their home districts for essential journeys only.

There have been almost 35m confirmed cases of coronavirus worldwide with more than 1m deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University in the US which is tracking the data.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWHsez5sB8E

[Jimbuna]

President Trump is driven past his supporters outside the Walter Reed Medical Center, before returning to hospital.

President Trump has been treated with the steroid dexamethasone after oxygen level drops on Friday and Saturday, his doctor says.

They said the president was doing well and might be discharged back to the White House on Monday.

At least seven people who attended a White House event last week, including the Trumps, have now tested positive.

In the UK, a technical glitch which meant nearly 16,000 cases went unreported has caused delays to its track and trace system.

All bars in the French capital Paris will shut from Tuesday as the city's coronavirus alert is raised to maximum.

There have now been more than 35.1m Covid-19 cases causing more than 1m deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

The president of the European Commission has been forced to into self-isolation after meeting someone who later tested positive for Covid-19.

Ursula von der Leyen announced the development on social media, saying she had tested negative on Thursday and will be tested again on Monday.

The German politician was informed she would need to go into quarantine after meeting with an unnamed individual last week who has since discovered they are infected.

[Jimbuna]

Donald Trump's press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tests positive for Covid-19

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/05/donald-trumps-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive/

[Jimbuna]

The BBC has confirmed the missing Covid-19 test data was caused by the ill-thought-out use of Microsoft's Excel software. Furthermore, Public Health England (PHE) was to blame, rather than a third-party contractor.

The issue was caused by the way the agency brought together logs produced by the commercial firms paid to carry out swab tests for the virus.

They filed their results in the form of text-based lists, without issue.

PHE had set up an automatic process to pull this data together into Excel templates so that it could then be uploaded to a central system and made available to the NHS Test and Trace team as well as other government computer dashboards.

The problem is that the PHE developers picked an old file format to do this - known as XLS.

As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.

And since each test result created several rows of data, in practice it meant that each template was limited to about 1,400 cases. When that total was reached, further cases were simply left off.

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Spain has reported a rise of 23,480 coronavirus infections over the weekend, making it the first western European country to record more than 800,000 cases in total.

The increase pushes the official count of infections since the start of the pandemic in Spain to 813,412, the eight-highest total in the world.

The death toll reached 32,225, up from 32,086 on Friday, Spain’s health ministry said.

[skidman]

The BBC has confirmed the missing Covid-19 test data was caused by the ill-thought-out use of Microsoft's Excel software.

As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.


:har: Messing around with Excel is the root of all evil today. And it still gets confused when using multiple operators on +500k rows.

Back in University I did measurements that would produce a set of data every 0.7 seconds and the experiments lasted for at least 72h. The PC sitting on my desk was the hottest s**t available: Pentium II, 20Megs of RAM, a Gigabyte HDD and the latest version of Microsoft Office of course. The machine was not able to compute accurate results from my data. Had to take the raw data home on a Iomega Zip-Drive and use Igor Pro on a 33Mhz / 4Megs of RAM Macintosh to get the work done.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfCccnmTb4

[Jimbuna]

US President Donald Trump is back in the White House after leaving hospital where he was being treated for coronavirus.

Posing for pictures on the Truman balcony, he removed his mask and urged people not to be frightened by the disease.

Questions remain about the seriousness of the president's illness after conflicting statements.

Surgeons in England have warned there could be “tsunami” of cancelled NHS operations this winter.

All bars in the French capital Paris will shut from Tuesday as the city's coronavirus alert is raised to maximum.

More than 35.4 million cases of Covid-19 have been confirmed globally, with more than one million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Skybird]

First thing the messiah did after returning to the White House was to take off his face mask. Although by the - known - time tables for the infeciton he still is infectous.

People mean nothing to him.

He probably also went to the kitchen and out rat poison into the staff'S coffee machine, just becasue he thought it was funny.

Murderous scum.

[Jimbuna]

This was aired on BBC News yesterday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-54428603

[Skybird]

This was aired on BBC News yesterday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-54428603
It may not be a surprise, may even be typical for patients with such deranged personality structures - but nevertheless it is a shame. Especially when they are not being stopped from putting others at risk.

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Long Covid.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54296223

[mapuc]

I have in my surroundings a lot of false safety.

Latest was today...was standing in the line waiting for my turn to pay for my things in the store.

Suddenly a man came up to me and stood very close behind me. I turned around and said to him.

Sir-you are standing to close to me.

He looked at me and said I have only these two things-
Ok you go in front of me I can wait I said.

Then he turned around and said to me...don't worry I have been tested negative.

WHAT!? So do people think they are invulnerable-
The test was negative , so now I(they) can behave like before this pandemic-NO such things.

I would have said to this man-Yes you have been tested negative, BUT it doesn't prevent you from being infected after. It only tell you that you haven't been infected so far.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

:haha::D:har::hmmm:

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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m__Aog_RLgk

[Jimbuna]

US President Donald Trump is coming under fire for downplaying the severity of coronavirus on his return to the White House.

Election rival Joe Biden, former First Lady Michelle Obama and medics criticise his upbeat statements.

PM Boris Johnson says the UK cannot return to normal post-pandemic, but needs better housing and healthcare.

New coronavirus restrictions for Scotland will be announced on Wednesday - but it will not be another full lockdown.

There is hope that an effective vaccine against the coronavirus will be ready by the end of this year, the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) has said.

The Australian government has vowed to slash taxes and increase spending to shore up the country’s coronavirus-ravaged economy, in a move that would see the deficit swell to a record level.

More than 35.4 million cases of Covid-19 have been confirmed globally, with more than one million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

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[Onkel Neal]

First thing the messiah did after returning to the White House was to take off his face mask. Although by the - known - time tables for the infeciton he still is infectous.

People mean nothing to him.

He probably also went to the kitchen and out rat poison into the staff'S coffee machine, just becasue he thought it was funny.

Murderous scum.

Master of hyperbole

[Skybird]

Master of hyperbole
If you think so.

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But compared to him, I am still a diletantte at it.

[Jimbuna]

Covid-19 patients are taking up more than 40% of intensive care beds in the Paris region, regional health officials say.

France is seeing cases rise exponentially and other European countries such as Poland have registered record new infections.

Scotland is set to announce new restrictions but this is not expected to be a second lockdown.

Democrat Joe Biden says the next presidential debate on 15 October should not take place if the president still has Covid-19

Stephen Miller is the latest White House adviser to test positive, along with a top military official.

More than 1 million people have died and 35.8 million people have caught Covid-19 around the world, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

Coronavirus restrictions have been lifted in New Zealand's biggest city, Auckland, which now joins the rest of the country at the lowest alert level.
New Zealand has recorded no new infections among the general population in the last 24-hour period.

Belgium’s new government is introducing tighter restrictions on bars and social gatherings in the hope of bringing infection rates down and avoiding more severe measures in the weeks to come.
Bars and cafes across the country will have to close at 23:00, copying a rule which is already in force in Brussels. The Health Minister Frank Vandenbroucke said the aim was to avoid following Paris in closing bars entirely.
There’s been some criticism in Belgium of the frequency with which rules have been tweaked, but Vandenbroucke said the important number all Belgians should remember was four. That’s now the maximum number of drinkers allowed to gather round a table in a bar and it’s also the new permitted size of a social bubble – previously it was five.

On Tuesday, Paris shut all bars and cafes completely after the French government raised the capital's coronavirus alert to maximum. Bars, gyms and swimming pools were closed for two weeks in a bid to curb the spread of the virus, officials said.
But restaurants can remain open if strict hygiene rules are in place.
France's maximum alert level comes into force when the infection rate in a locality exceeds 250 cases per 100,000 people and at least 30% of intensive care beds are reserved for Covid-19 patients.
Overall, France has reported more than 675,000 cases, with more than 32,000 deaths.

Czech health officials said there were 4,457 cases in the past 24 hours. The country has reported the highest number of new cases per 100,000 inhabitants (326.8) over the past 14 days in the EU, overtaking Spain.

Ukraine confirmed 4,753 new cases, including 219 infections in children, and 77 deaths.

Meanwhile in Poland, there were 3,003 new cases and 75 virus-related deaths. In comparison, the daily record for new cases in spring was 599. The number of deaths broke the previous record of 58 set yesterday.

In Bulgaria, there were 436 cases and eight deaths in the past 24 hours.

More than 40% of intensive care beds are full in the French capital Paris, according to regional health officials, and the Pasteur Institute warns it could hit 100% by the end of October.

The German capital Berlin has ordered a 23:00 to 06:00 curfew for restaurants and bars. Mayor Michael Müller says “if we don’t act now we’ll end up under lockdown again”

From tomorrow, Italians will have to carry a mask and wear it in most cases including outdoors – under a law to be signed today by PM Giuseppe Conte.

Finland has seen cases rise to 227 in a day and the government is planning earlier closing times for restaurant bars from this weekend.

[Gerald]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-876f42ae-5e44-41c0-ba2d-d6fd537aadfe

We will ride out the ongoing C-19.:yep:

[Jimbuna]

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[Subnuts]

Stephen Miller is safe unless the virus can kill someone who's already died inside.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhX8LLQ8-FU

[Jimbuna]

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announces pub closures in central areas, and 6pm curfews in other places.

The measures come into force at 6pm on Friday, lasting for 16 days until 25 October.

Meanwhile, Scotland has cancelled the National 5 exam (broadly equivalent to GCSE) in 2021

The UK announces 14,162 new Covid cases, a slight fall on Tuesday's figure.

The daily coronavirus death toll is on the worrying trajectory in Iran, where a record 239 died with Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

[Jimbuna]

Whilst unemployment is rising the billionaires are getting richer faster.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54446285

[Jimbuna]

Covid-19 could spread uncontrollably in Germany amid a spike in daily cases, the country's leading health official warns.

The health minister says the situation is "worrying", telling people not to become complacent.

Covid-19 killed three times more people than flu or pneumonia in England and Wales in 2020, the Office for National Statistics says.

Restrictions are to be further tightened in parts of England early next week, with the closure of bars and restaurants a possibility.

In Scotland, leaders of the hospitality industry warn that tighter measures will "sound the death knell" for some businesses.

Italy has made face masks compulsory in outdoor spaces as it fights a spike in cases.

US vice-presidential candidates Mike Pence and Kamala Harris clashed fiercely over the government's response to the pandemic in their only debate.

Nearly 37 million cases have been confirmed globally with more than 1.05 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSmSWx6kjA

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0RtXqSPnis

[skidman]

Whilst unemployment is rising the billionaires are getting richer faster.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54446285

"In the US, 98 billionaires donated $4.5bn, in China 12 billionaires gave $679m, and in Australia just two billionaires donated $324m. But in the UK, nine billionaires donated just $298m."

"Charity is the drowning of right in the dunghole of grace."
Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi

[Skybird]

Another nail in the coffin of Hydroxychloroquine, it seems.



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/evidence-clear-hydroxychloroquine-doesn-t-help-covid-19-patients-n1242652


A few ealrier studies that implied that it may be of help nevertheless, are under very heavy methodological criticism. Amongst several criticisms, confounding variables were Zinc and/or Vitamine D, which were given in high doses simultaneously to HCQ, both expected to have done the relieving effects.



Variables need to be controlled. Surprising how easily this gets ignored when politics demand it.

[Jimbuna]

Several European countries register record spikes in new daily cases; bars are shut in four more French cities.

President Donald Trump is ready to return to public duties at the weekend, according to his doctor.

UK output expanded by 2.1% in August, lower than expected and despite government help for restaurants.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak is expected to announce more help for UK jobs and businesses later.

China is joining the international Covax scheme to get vaccines to developing countries.

Nearly 37 million cases have been confirmed globally with more than 1.06 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

Arrests at protests, intensive care doctors turned patients - these certainly weren't the intended effects of the Netherlands self-proclaimed "intelligent" lockdown.
As the number of new coronavirus cases sky-rocketed to almost 6,000 overnight, the figures are surpassing the Dutch government's own predictions.

Madrid and its surrounding region have been in confusion since Thursday, when a court refused to ratify restrictions on movement introduced on 2 October.
Those measures, which sought to prevent all non-essential travel in and out of the capital and nine nearby cities, have been lifted.

President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil managed to alleviate the economic impact of the pandemic by introducing monthly emergency payments to more than 67 million people.
A study by the FGV higher education think tank said the monthly handouts - which started at £83 ($107) but have now been cut by half - pushed the number of poor Brazilians to a new low of around 50 million people.
But the handouts are due to expire in December and, unless the government manages to approve the extension of subsidies, 15 million people will be thrown back into poverty, according to FGV.

The Australian government's tax cuts programme affecting millions of people has been backed by parliament.

With about 7.5 million coronavirus cases, the US has the highest number of confirmed infections in the world - about one fifth of the global total despite having only 4% of the population.
After the initial spike in late March, social distancing restrictions gradually brought infections to heel. By May, case numbers had stabilised. But as states peeled back lockdown measures, cases began to rise, reaching a countrywide high in July.

Brussels Premier Rudi Vervoort has tested positive as Belgium today begins new measures to control the spread. The whole Brussels regional government went into self isolation on Wednesday night and a Flemish minister’s office colleague has died of the virus. Belgians can now keep only three close contacts, let four people into their homes at the same time, and cafes have to close at 23:00.

Chancellor Angela Merkel will hold video talks with the mayors of 11 of Germany's biggest cities today – 4,516 new cases have been reported today and 487 more people are in intensive care.

Czech health officials have recorded 5,394 new infections – the third time this week the republic has seen a record number since the pandemic began. More than 100 deaths have been recorded this week and there has been a big jump in hospital admissions. Restaurants and pubs will start closing at 20:00 from tonight, and gyms, swimming pools and zoos are shutting.

[Skybird]

Why the blind hope for a vaccine ending the pandemic and letting us return to a previous "normal" most likely will remain to be more blind than hope.


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How do pandemics end?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-876f42ae-5e44-41c0-ba2d-d6fd537aadfe


It will be "over" one day, but nobody should hold his breath that during 2021 it all will be over. Chances are that it won't. And the world will have changed too drastically once it has, there will be no return to the previous "normality". Do what evolution is all about: adapt to the changing new world.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7-pLxvf9dk

[Jimbuna]

The UK has recorded 13,864 confirmed coronavirus cases in the last 24 hours, 3,676 fewer than yesterday.

It also reported another 87 people died within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test, the highest total since 14 June.

Separate figures published by the UK's statistics agencies show there have now been 58,000 deaths registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate.

[Mr Quatro]

God is no respecter of persons ... He will let you make a mistake in order to teach you a lesson. :yep:

Too many with Covid-19 recently to list, but these ones can be traced to the White House nomination of Barrett for Supreme Court Justice.

Riverside megachurch pastor who attended White House event contracts Covid-19

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/10/05/riverside-megachurch-pastor-who-attended-white-house-event-contracts-covid-19-1321259

OAKLAND, Calif. — The evangelical pastor of a high-profile California megachurch with links to President Trump announced Monday he's among those who have contracted Covid-19 following the recent White House event for Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett.

Pastor Greg Laurie of Riverside's Harvest Christian Fellowship confirmed on his Facebook page that he tested positive for the virus over the weekend.

A week earlier, he attended the Sept. 26 Prayer March on the National Mall with Vice President Mike Pence and evangelist Franklin Graham. Laurie also was on hand for the White House Rose Garden ceremony for the nomination of Barrett.

[Jimbuna]

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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_78EiIezNk

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cf0kpWT7l0

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axbsErEDkNg

[Skybird]

the pandemci has not just medical and sociological consequences, but political, financial and economic as well. And none of them are any good.





The French virus



Corona has come to stay (most likely), the British are leaving because they no longer want to stay (in the EU), and both of these together will mean that the European Union will change significantly in the coming years: It will with are likely to be shaped much more than before by France and its view of the world. With all due respect for the civilizational achievements of the Grande Nation, this is not particularly good news for the rest of Europe.

France traditionally pays homage to an interventionist, planned economy and rather market-skeptical economic policy, in which the state plays a dominant role in the economic process.

In addition, France thinks little of the conservative fiscal policy that Germany prefers. Just recently a member of the government announced quite openly that France would no longer adhere to the Maastricht debt limits even after overcoming the Corona crisis. This is an open breach of contract, but unlike actual or even alleged breaches of contract by Poland or Hungary, it does not concern anyone. Is it France, an ex-President of the EU Commission once described it with a shrug.

This economic attitude has already been of limited use to the EU; With the departure of the British and the outbreak of the pandemic, it continues to gain in influence. Because with the more free-trade Brits, an effective counterweight to French statism is saying goodbye; and Corona at the same time provided a wonderful pretext to push back the competitive economy with statistical methods and billions of freshly printed money. The British “Economist” recently rightly identified a “frenchification” of the EU: “Today, French ideas are the foundation of the EU's economic policy”.

So now, inspired by Paris, pan-European "industrial strategies" for everything - from battery production to the hydrogen economy - are being formulated in Brussels, protectionist measures to ward off imports and company takeovers, especially against China, or a huge "green deal" on rails brought. At the same time, the EU, not least under the influence and initiative of the French, is developing more and more in the direction of a debt union, which is supposed to secure the financing of this path. The idea that a planning bureaucracy with freshly printed or borrowed money can provide better growth than a market economy and competition has more influence in Brussels today than ever before; Last but not least, it is also thanks to the new faith in the state that has shaken almost all of Europe since the outbreak of the pandemic.

Zeitgeist, Corona and Brexit are amalgamating each other to a Novitschok for economies. The sporting economic growth that will be necessary in order to be able to remove the currently piled up debt towers halfway painlessly will certainly not be stimulated - quite au contraire.



Its deeply worrying that Germany has given up any resitence to the French, and signals to fully comply withg the French state-socialist dream. Because nobody should know it better than then Germans due to their history of diovision and having had two such Frenchised economies already, and second, the French plans will all be "financed" by the Germans in the main.


Europe falls.

[Jimbuna]

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[Platapus]

Update on my Co-worker.


He is out of the hospital for the meninges. Strangely, it only affected the left side of his brain. Does not seem to have any permanent impairment, but since being released from the hospital, he was diagnosed with some sort of deterioration of the heart muscles, which does seem to be permanent. There is a very good chance that it won't get any worse.


He may be coming into the office, for the first time in a few months, next week. But it appears that his work out regime is a thing of the past.



Please continue to wear masks and maintain social distancing. There is a lot more to COVID than just a small chance of dying.







We need to recognize that there is more to COVID-19 than a dichotomous state of dead/alive. I fear that there are too many people who just look at the odds of dying and consider the threat of COVID-19 to be low, and once avoided, there are no further concerns with COVID-19.

A co-worker of mine, my boss actually, was in the hospital for COVID-19. This was a few weeks ago. Messed him up pretty good but he "recovered" and was sent home.

Now he was back in the ER for what we understand to be swelling of the meninges (membranes that contain the brain). This can result in death, paralysis, or brain damage. Even if he "recovers" from this swelling, it may lead to other health issues.

By the way, he just turned 40 this year and is in pretty good physical condition. Old people like me may be the ones dying, but younger people are getting messed up by COVID.

This is why COVID needs to be taken seriously. It is much more than a rolling of the dice to avoid a 1-3% chance of dying. It can start a chain of health issues, some may be long lasting.

Recovery from COVID is a nebulous term. "not dying" is only part of the issue.

Mine is but one story among a million. But we have a good man in a hospital. He probably won't die, but he probably won't fully recover either.

Wear your masks, take the precautions, keep the social distancing.

We can't eliminate the risk, but we can mitigate it and all that is necessary is a little discomfort and inconvenience.

[Jimbuna]

The virus responsible for Covid-19 can remain infectious on surfaces such as banknotes, phone screens and stainless steel for 28 days, researchers say.

The findings from Australia's national science agency suggest SARS-Cov-2 can survive for far longer on surfaces than previously thought.

The virus is most commonly transmitted when people cough, sneeze or talk.

But experts say it can also be spread by particles in the air, as well as on surfaces such as metal and plastic.

Previous laboratory studies have found that SARS-Cov-2 can survive for two to three days on bank notes and glass, and up to six days on plastic and stainless steel, although results vary.

But the latest research from Australian agency CSIRO found the virus was "extremely robust," surviving for 28 days on smooth surfaces such as glass found on mobile phone screens and both plastic and paper banknotes, when kept at 20C (68F), which is about room temperature.

In comparison, the flu virus can survive in the same circumstances for 17 days. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54500673

[Skybird]

Under virus-friendly conditions (no UV from light, stable humidity and 20°C), Australian research found the virus can live for longer than previously thought on glass, steel, plastic, paper. Up to 28 days.

It can be expected that under most real-lifeconditions, it does not live that long. Especially the presence of UV (sunlight) I would expect to kill it earlier.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54500673

Some months ago, the virus was desribed to survive in deep-frozen food (-28°C) for one year, maybe longer.


I have made it a habit since months to take a cleenex and some desinfectant spray and quickly wash over every glas, tetrapack and cardbox package I bring home from the supermarket. I am not pedantic about it, but I do it. Fruits and vegetables I clean under hot water and some dishwashing liquid (cracks open the fat-containing hull of this virus which is a hooded virus) , instead of just cold water. Corona virusses are not very resisting and can be relatively easily deactivated, just crack their hulls open by anything that cracks open fats. Specially hygienic soap with desinfectant special ingredients is not needed. Dishwashing liquid is almost ideal, just not so much for the skin.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2700235&postcount=5070

Post before yours 19 minutes earlier :o

[Skybird]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2700235&postcount=5070

Post before yours 19 minutes earlier :o
We offset that against the times when I was faster than you. ;)

[mapuc]

I can only conclude following

Everyone is their own expert on Corona.

The last couple of hours i have read among friends who either is for or against these facemask.

Each of them has of course used a link to prove how correct they are.

What I wonder is:
Are we enough expert in this field, so we can confirm or reject what a doctor/professor say in an article ?

I can't, I therefore do as the Danish politicians has said I shall do-wear facemask in public traffic and when visiting the local grill.

Markus

[Skybird]

Does it really allways need a professor?

A fisherman with a net with wider loops will catch fewer small fishes than a fisherman using a net with more narrow loops.

When you did your business on the toilet, you wash your hands afterwards.

You do not cough into the others face, but into your arm while turning away from the other.

But the WHO and various national health services took exactly how many months to recognize this...? :o

Some ordinary reason. Some pragmatism. Some general education. "A bit of these every day keeps professors away." :)

[Jimbuna]

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson chairs emergency committee meeting.

Johnson is due announce new three-level alert system for England.

The Liverpool City Region is expected to face the tightest curbs.

On Sunday, 12,872 people in the UK were reported to have tested positive.

South Korea lowers Covid 19 social distancing guidelines to the lowest level as case numbers drop.

There are more than 37 million confirmed cases globally with more than 1.07 million deaths.

[Jimbuna]

Top US government scientist Anthony Fauci has said an edited clip of him used in a Trump campaign ad is misleading.
It shows Dr Fauci saying he "can't imagine that anybody could be doing more" to fight Covid-19, suggesting he is speaking about President Trump.
However, Dr Fauci was talking about himself and other medical officials.
The infectious diseases expert has previously clashed with Mr Trump over how to handle the pandemic.

Russia has reported more than 13,500 cases - just short of the most for a single day since the start of the pandemic.
More than 1.3 million people have now tested positive for Covid-19 in Russia - the fourth highest number in the world.
A total of 125 people more deaths have been confirmed, taking the overall death toll to 22,722.

Australia's government says it is in talks with several nations about quarantine-free travel, but warns that Europe and the US will not be on the list. The first agreement would be with New Zealand, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said. Other nations that could follow suit are Japan, Singapore, South Korea and Pacific Island nations.

Iran has hit half a million virus infections, with more than 3,800 new cases confirmed. A total of 28,544 people have died of Covid-19 in Iran.

The Chinese city of Qingdao is testing its entire population of nine million people for Covid-19 over a period of five days. It comes after a dozen cases were confirmed linked to a local hospital which treats imported patients.

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson tells the Commons there will be a new three-level alert system for England - medium, high and very high.

Liverpool will on the highest level of alert, the PM says. He adds he does not want a new national lockdown.

He will hold a news conference at 19:00 BST

More people are in hospital with Covid than before lockdown in March, says NHS medical director Stephen Powis.

Top UK scientific advisers have said NHS Nightingale hospitals are on stand-by in Manchester, Sunderland and Harrogate.

Most A-level and GCSE exams in England will be delayed by three weeks in 2021

[Jimbuna]

The government has released its daily coronavirus figures, announcing a further 13,972 confirmed cases on Monday.

The government also announced a further 50 people had died with Covid-19, after testing positive within the last 28 days.

That includes 43 in England, four in Wales, three in Northern Ireland and none in Scotland.

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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RasITXi6vcs

[Jimbuna]

The UK unemployment rate rose to 4.5% between June and August as the pandemic continued to hit jobs.

UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak says the government unfortunately cannot “save every job”

Scientific advisers called for a short lockdown in England last month, newly released documents show.

Johnson & Johnson pauses its Covid vaccine trial to investigate why one participant in the study fell ill.

A man in the US caught Covid twice, with the second infection becoming far more dangerous.

US President Donald Trump returns to campaign trail less than two weeks after testing positive for coronavirus.

There are more than 37.8 million confirmed cases globally with more than 1.08 million deaths.

[Jimbuna]

Czech schools will shut and go online from tonight and restaurants and bars will close too as daily cases reach 4,310. Hospital admissions have more than doubled since the start of October.

An Austrian report into the Iscghl ski resort outbreak that affected more than 6,000 European tourists in March has criticised the local mayor, regional authorities and even Chancellor Sebastian Kurz. Ski-ing was allowed to continue three days too long, and when evacuation came it was rushed and disorganised.

Dutch PM Mark Rutte is expected to announce the complete closure of restaurants, hotels and cafes for at least two weeks this evening. Catering industry head Dirk Beijarts says this could be the last straw for some owners. Average daily infections have doubled in a fortnight to more than 6,000.

The French cabinet will this evening consider a possible curfew to bring down the infection rate. In Paris, the head of public hospital group APHP, Martin Hirsch, warned 90% of intensive care beds would be filled by 24 October

Spanish Health Minister Salvador Illa has ruled out lifting Madrid's locally disputed state of alarm, even though 14-day infection rates have fallen to 501 cases per 100,000 people. He wants to see the rate below 200, not 500.

A new Italian decree bans school trips and amateur contact sports such as football in the park. Private parties are banned and Italians are strongly urged to limit home visits to six.

[Skybird]

The Lancet Infectous Diseases published a study giving genomic evidence for reinfection with Sars-Cov 2. This raises severe questions about the strength of immunity reaction and its longevity. The 25-year old man who caught the infeciton a second time, saw his second run being much more serious and troubling than the first one, he had to go on oxygene supply.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30764-7/fulltext

Publicly hallucinating about wanted public infections so to build herd immunity, imo are a crime. It ignores the so-called long Covid syndrome, and the risk of 1:4 of suffering a non-asymptomatic, hospitalization-needing going of the ifneciton. Her dimmunity may sound nice in fascist societies where the fate of the indovidual counts nothing, but for us and ou standards it must be considered a no-go. Also, the Imperial college in Lo ndon has shown already months ago the mathematical models illustrating that to build sufficient herd immunity so to bring the further spreading of the pandemic to halt, would take around 8-10 years. 8-10 years the piubölic health system would need to endure under the current circumstances.

Throw in your supplement pills, guys. Its probably your best bet beside social and breathing (=FFP mask) and hand washing hygiene, and it is your last line of defence in any case. It might make the difference in case you get hit despite all your other efforts to stay out of trouble. Becasue none of these measurements make you untouchable for the virus, you only improve chances in your favour.

[Jimbuna]

^ Just happened in the US

A man in the US caught Covid twice, with the second infection becoming far more dangerous.

[Jimbuna]

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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ1h33mPGuU

[August]

CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks

October 12, 2020

By Jordan Davidson

A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.
A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.
“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.


https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/cdc-study-finds-overwhelming-majority-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/?fbclid=IwAR0Dkc7UNslt0-pOsDUGBOjBMYGHvkJ1tq6evDGXRlayMo1e57SnQvJqc48

[skidman]

^Obviously the author didn't even bother reading the paper she is citing. The results given there indicate a strong correlation between infections and practices that don't allow for wearing a mask (eating in restaurants, consuming beverages in bars/coffeeshops etc.). Just another substandard ignorant BS article published on a ultra right website. And Jordan Davidson (and who else?) now has blood on her hands.

[mapuc]

I have this feeling, that people think they are 100 % protected when they wear facemask and thereby don't have to keep distance and use alcohol on the hands/wash them more often.

Markus

[skidman]

^I have the feeling that noncompliance to some very simple basic rules will cost a lot of lives. And there are some idiots who even promote and advocate this noncompliance.

[Skybird]

On Japan, since I am studying micro nutrients a lot currently, I had to meet a lot of notes on mentioned and proven deficits, its not just Vitamine D3. Selene, EPH and DHA, Omega-3 to Omega 6 ratios, Vitamine B complexes especially in elder people, Vitamine A, amino acids and severla additional cofactors also play a role.

And Japan? Has one of the oldest populations on the planet - and the lowest cancer rate in the world, or one of the lowest. Also, nobody else consumes as much Iod than the Japanese: their daily consummation on average is measured not in mcg, but in miligrams, on average they have a daily iod intake of 8-13 mg!!! The WHO bases its iod recommendation on just the thyroid, and says: 200 mcg per day is enough. For the WHO, only the thyroid needs iod. Idiots. That is a terrible mistake, since iod is not just used by the thyroid, but also in the female breast and ovaries, male prostate, the mucosas of the digestive system, skin, brain liquor, and more. Its very present in the body all around. From the 1950-70, intense studies were done on iod, and before that it was integral standard part of the pharmceutical toolkit since its discovery in the 19th century. One of the rresults were to add iod to table salt (or the bread in belgium and Australia), but in absolutely insufficient quantities when basing on the official low salt recommendations (which are a folly in themselves, but salt does not belong here, personally i do not care for reducing salt at all anymore).

Reading about Iod's history in the past one and a half century, and what once was known and then - needlessly - deleted from the chemical knowledge, does it make easy for me to tick by the hypothesis that the low intensity of Corona in Japan has, like its glibally lowest cancer rates, something to do with their high iod consumption, because only certain fishes (by far not all!) and algas and kelp can be used to add ido to the body orally, other foods do not con tain it. And that is something that the Japanese eat plenty and plenty of, more than anyone else.

I also believe more and more that I am right when I said some time ago that the Corona pandemic did not just reveal the now often quoted Vitmaine D3 deficit pandmeic, but a general micro nutrient deficit pandemic.

My doc said I should try 200mcg Iod two years ago. I went up to 400 and 600, and will next week move to 800 mcg, with a goal of reaching 1 mg. I am cautious, and raise the quantum in steps, checking a while if it feels all okay. Too much Iod gets taken out of the system problemfree. Only if you have a defective thyroid (and you should check for that!!!) or/and Hashimoto and one ore tweo other syndromes, you need to practice caution and talk with your doc about it first. You probably then should take no Iod. Since I had a blood test, a complex one, not too long ago, I had no reason to check with my doc over Iod, and just got started.

I have heard Iod therapists saying and writing the Iod deficit of the populatioin is widespread and probably best described not in micrograms, but milligrams.


I have ordered a whole book just on Iod, not just because of Corona, but because I find this substance very interesting, it has a fascinating history. It was found while producing new explosives in the Napoleonic wars! The medical aspects of it are an absolutely fascinating tale. It goes so very much beyond its use as a desinfectant.

[mapuc]

If I understand it fully.
Any hopes for an effective vaccine against this corona virus, seems (forgot the word)

Here in Denmark the health authorities has found several mutation in the mink on the Danish mink farm and lately I read about a Norwegian who got infected with a mutated corona virus.

So any hope for an effective vaccine seems like it can't be reached.

Markus

[Skybird]

There will be severla vaccines that deal with several different straisn of the virus (of whcih there are already very many right now), and these vaccines will chnage with years and yseasons maybe, like flu shots.



Flu shots as we know them protect only 20-35 or 40 percent of those taking one, depends on how well the guessing game on the next season's expected virusses was done when mixing them.


But I agree, we will need to learn to live with Sars Cov 2. I think that since months. Thats why I am angry at them for not publicly tackling the nutrients deficit cirsis. I still wait for the first ecotrophologiust or nutrients expert or doctor talking about that as a strategy against Corona on mainstream media.



Though it is so self-recommending a strategy. Question: Virus? Answer: Immune system. Has been like that since millenia and millenia.



We cannot save every single case battle. Like we cnanot orevent peopel from getting colds or the flu. But we can bring numbers drastically, dramatically down. The invodiauö risk for severe sufferign as well. And the risk to die too, of course. Right now, the risk to suffer hospitalization in case of an infection, is 1:4. That is too high to accept it. So boost your defences. Make it 1:50, or 1: 80. The better the better.

[mapuc]

If I remember it, the ordinary influenza virus use to mutate one to two times during a season- The influenza season starts somewhere in Nov. and ends in April-May during this period it has most likely mutated 1 or two times.

While this Corona seems to have mutated at least 3-4 times by now.

First it was Strain S, then Strain L..what came after L, I don't know.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUyStbhi2Xs

[Jimbuna]

Schools in Northern Ireland will close for two weeks and hospitality businesses face tighter restrictions.

Tighter restrictions are being introduced in parts of Europe in response to a rapid rise of infections.

A new three-tier alert system has taken effect in England, with millions of people facing extra curbs.

The Netherlands - experiencing one of the worst surges - is imposing a month-long partial lockdown.

The Czech government has announced the closure of schools, bars and clubs for three weeks.

The World Bank said it will supply $12bn (£9.3bn) to help developing countries purchase and distribute vaccines, tests and treatment.

There are 38 million confirmed Covid-19 cases worldwide, with 1.08 million deaths.

[Jimbuna]

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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDlNdit0hKA

[Jimbuna]

Officials in the US and Germany say the latest upsurge in infections is due to people not observing basic rules.

There are 38.4 million confirmed Covid-19 cases worldwide, with 1.09 million deaths.

London will have tougher restrictions from Saturday, including a ban on households mixing.

Many European countries and states in the US are seeing a worrying rise in cases.

France is awaiting details of how officials plan to enforce a new curfew and state of emergency.

Restrictions are tightening across the continent - a partial lockdown has begun in the Netherlands.

Here in the UK, officials from Manchester and Lancashire are in talks over possible new curbs.

Currently, Liverpool is the only area in the top tier of restrictions, with pubs and bars closed unless they serve meals.

China has removed two senior officials in Qingdao - site of the latest outbreak.

[Jimbuna]

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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-31xcWma9I

[Skybird]

Heart, hear. This is what ESPEN (European Society for Clinical Nutrition and Metabolism) has to say.

Sufficient supplementation with vitamin A, vitamin D and other micronutrients should be ensured. As part of a general nutritional approach for viral infections prevention is supplementation and / or adequate provision of vitamins to potentially reduce disease negative impact.
In general, low levels or intakes of micronutrients such as vitamins A, E, B6 and B12, Zn and Se have been associated with adverse clinical outcomes during viral infections. This notion has been confirmed in a recent review from Lei Zhang and Yunhui Liu who proposed that besides vitamins A and D also B vitamins, vitamin C, omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids, as well as selenium, zinc and iron should be considered in the assessment of micronutrients in COVID-19 patients.
ESPEN experts thus suggest to ensure the provision of daily allowances for vitamins and trace elements to malnourished patients at risk for or with COVID-19, aimed at maximizing general anti-infection nutritional defense.


On Espen, from Wikipedia:
The European Society for Clinical Nutrition and Metabolism (ESPEN) is an organization in the field of parenteral (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenteral_nutrition) and enteral (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteral) nutrition and promotes basic and clinical research, basic and advanced education, organization of consensus statements about clinical care and care quality control. In 1979 an informal meeting laid the foundations of ESPEN, deciding to create a multidisciplinary society devoted to the study of metabolic problems associated with acute diseases and their nutritional implications and management. ESPEN was formally established in 1980 as the European Society for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition. It later changed its name to the European Society for Clinical Nutrition and Metabolism.
Congress meetings are held every year in a different European city[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-1) and gather over 3,000 participants from 82 different countries.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-2)
A bimonthly journal named Clinical Nutrition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_Nutrition_(journal)), which goes along with Clinical Nutrition Supplements and an electronic journal e-SPEN are the society's official publications, published by Elsevier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-3)
European Parenteral and Enteral National Societies support ESPEN in the form of block members, e.g. the British,[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-4) German,[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-5) French,[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-6) and Austrian societies.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-7)
Under the umbrella of ESPEN, many ongoing projects are supported by its members, such as NutritionDay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NutritionDay),[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-8) Home Artificial Nutrition, and Fight Against Malnutrition.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Society_for_Clinical_Nutrition_and_Metabo lism#cite_note-9)





When preparing the pill box with the week's stocks, I do not think of it as medicine or drugs, because it isn'T that. I prepare food, nhutrition, when filling the box.



And here is a food for thought: Did you know that in the past 100 years the vitamine content of oridunary apples has shrunk by factors from 5 to 7...? ;) It slike this with so many things. Salad. Farming grounds (Selen deficits being very famous, in Europe practically no longer existent in farming soil). If your argzument against supplkements is that you eat original green stuff a lot like your ancient forfathers did, then you already went into the trap -ö you don't, and in mopst cases you cannot. By volume and counts yo9u eat what they ate, maybe, but by nurtrients content you lag behind them tremendously, by many factors. You are deficient. Potatoes. Carrots. Take what you want, chances are it has seen a massive, substantial nutrional degradation in the past 100 years.



Eating orgi8nal food neverthelss, sitll is reölevant, becasue there are the amny socalled cofactors: inredients that counmt by the hundreds and that interact and support the nutrioents you may take by pill. They support the biologivcal availability and resorbtion, some also help physiclaly, not bio-chemically, by supporting for exampel digestion. You cannot repalce all eating by swallong drips and pills and poils. But you should really consider a solid supplementation of your ordinary food.



I am in for a series of dental operations over th ecoming months. My dentist recommended me to boost my reserves in Vitmaine C and D and K, also Zinc and Magnesium, and to con sider Calcium. She was very d,leoighted that as a ciosnequence of Corona I already run an intensive supplementation, amongst that the mentione dones. Her thinkling was only about the wounds in my mouth, and the healign of the jawbone.


Ironcially, quite some of my present (immense) dental problems may stem from - life-long undersupply with various nutrients...

[Jimbuna]

Chinese say Liverpool revellers ‘a bunch of lunatics’

Russia has recorded 286 Covid deaths, the highest number of fatalities since the start of the epidemic.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) says imposing tighter controls could prevent huge numbers of lives being lost in Europe.

Jordan is to resume a two-day lockdown from midnight tonight, following a recent rise in coronavirus cases.

Schools in Uganda have reopened for final year students, seven months after all education institutions in the country were closed.

The Czech Republic's Interior Minister Jan Hamacek says the army will begin building a 500-bed emergency field hospital at Prague's Letnany exhibition grounds on Saturday.

[Jimbuna]

Scientists at Oxford University say they have developed a coronavirus test that can identify the virus in under five minutes.

Oxford University hopes to start making the devices in early 2021 and then have it approved six months after that.

It’s hoped that it could be used at businesses and airports.

https://i.postimg.cc/zX1CHZGg/dab4ac47-4972-4c06-bd0a-725b84b27e95.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Greater Manchester's mayor rejects the UK government's plan to place the region in the highest level of coronavirus restrictions.

London will have tougher restrictions from Saturday, including a ban on households mixing.

Essex, Elmbridge in Surrey, Barrow-in-Furness, York, North East Derbyshire, Erewash and Chesterfield are to be placed in Tier 2

Travellers arriving in the UK from Italy, Vatican City and San Marino must self-isolate for 14 days from Sunday.

The World Health Organization says rise of cases in European countries "raises great concern"

The European Commission has called on countries to step up their preparations.

Officials in the US and Germany say the latest upsurge in infections is due to people not observing basic rules.

There are 38.4 million confirmed Covid-19 cases worldwide, with 1.09 million deaths.

[Skybird]

Germany praised itself for how it dealt with the pandemic in the early phase during Spring and early Summer. But now the nation has become a federal rag-rug of actionism and selfish opportunism of political key personnell eyeing the next elections. I fail to see the logic behind how Corona numbers now steeply rising get tried to be tackled. Also, many people behave incrdibly stupid and antisocial. I think it will become a very grim time ahead, and it will be regional politicians' and minister presidents guilt. This second wave, still denied by some fools, will become more intense than he first one. It must not be that the number of deaths gets higher than in spring, but more people will become affected. The wave will also last much longer.

Regional lockdowns I do not rule out anymore. I have started to mark the items on my list with stockpiled basic goods like H-milk and such, and fill empty slots up again.

And we have finally, finally!!, dried yeast gain. :D

Also stockpiling nuts for my little squirrel friends out there.

[mapuc]

I shake my head not because what other people write or do, but because I don't know exactly why we are witness to this suddenly increase of cases here in Europe and around the world

I do know, it's not due to one thing but many things together.

Another example is how this Corona is spreading among the minks in the Danish mink farms.

The health authorities detect corona infection among a mink herd. Few days later another minkfarm 25-30 km from first place...

Hmm how can corona travel 25-30 km on so short of time only in a few days when the owner and other employees are put in quarantine-not allowed to leave the house for 14 days.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

I shake my head not because what other people write or do, but because I don't know exactly why we are witness to this suddenly increase of cases here in Europe and around the world

I do know, it's not due to one thing but many things together.

Another example is how this Corona is spreading among the minks in the Danish mink farms.

The health authorities detect corona infection among a mink herd. Few days later another minkfarm 25-30 km from first place...

Hmm how can corona travel 25-30 km on so short of time only in a few days when the owner and other employees are put in quarantine-not allowed to leave the house for 14 days.

Markus

Spiritually Markus ... it's happening because all things are spiritual. Birds of a feather flock together ... The spirit is invisible to you, but it travels in a spirit world to gather with it's kind.

Birds, animals humans makes no difference except to the spirit world it lives in.

Now for the other news Jim brought up ... this is the future a quicker way to decide who can go to the theater or the church or the pub or bowling or to the concert or football games is on the way. :yep:


Scientists at Oxford University say they have developed a coronavirus test that can identify the virus in under five minutes.

Oxford University hopes to start making the devices in early 2021 and then have it approved six months after that.

It’s hoped that it could be used at businesses and airports.



Remember "Big Brother" is going to start watching you even more and more :o

[Mr Quatro]

We could repackage these and rename them Skybird wipes, uh? :D

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t45.1600-4/cp0/q75/spS444/p180x540/119175568_6230290646424_4658969863111256381_n.jpg? _nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=67cdda&_nc_ohc=BP194Ve1xb8AX-mnRG6&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=e8911ca69a758046398d26d63fc4f2da&oe=5FAD6A2D

[Skybird]

^ Or voting ballots.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIvRR_y5i-k

[Jimbuna]

A flight carrying about 300 passengers from New Zealand to Australia under a new so-called "travel bubble" has landed in Sydney.

New coronavirus restrictions are coming into force in several European regions and countries as Covid infections surge.

France reported a jump of more than 30,000 new Covid-19 cases ahead of a night-time curfew being imposed on Paris and eight other cities.

The Spanish region of Catalonia has introduced tough new measures, including closing some bars and restaurants.

Poland, the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland have also introduced additional measures.

Divisions between the government and local leaders in England are "very dangerous" and harming the ability to control the disease, a scientist warns.

UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has defended the three-tier restrictions, saying they are necessary to avoid a "severe" national lockdown.

It comes as millions more people in England will move to the second highest tier of restrictions - high alert - from Saturday.

[Jimbuna]

In the US, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden said in a town hall campaign meeting in Philadelphia that Donald Trump had refused to boost efforts to combat the virus even after testing positive: "What's he doing? Nothing. He's still not wearing masks."
President Trump, at a separate event in Miami, rejected criticism of his handling of the pandemic, saying he had done an "amazing" job.

In China, a coronavirus vaccine has been found to be safe and to trigger immune responses in combined early and mid-stage trials.

The Netherlands has closed bars and restaurants as cases there surge. Hospitals in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague are under pressure from new Covid patients. Hospitals in western Germany have readied spare beds to take Dutch patients if necessary, as happened early on in the crisis.

New infections are also rising rapidly in Germany: the latest official daily figure is 7,334 cases, up from 6,638 on Thursday. Germany has declared many neighbouring countries and regions to be "high risk", including the whole of France and the Netherlands, and parts of Italy and Switzerland. Germans returning from there will have to quarantine.

Ireland now has a four-week national restriction on household visits, except for attending to medical and care needs. Chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said Covid-19 in Ireland was "not in control" – that is, the current track-and-trace system could not keep up with it.

Austria has imposed a quarantine on Kuchl, a town of 6,600 inhabitants in the Salzburg region, because of a Covid cluster there. It is the first such measure in Austria for months.

France faces one last evening before a night curfew takes effect in Paris and eight other cities. The number of new cases in 24 hours reached 30,621 on Thursday – a new record.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4UDtHyV_2E

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96SaQOTT55s

[Skybird]

Low zinc levels at clinical admission associates with poor outcomes in COVID-19

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.07.20208645v1

Vitamine D + C + A + Zinc + Magnesium + Selene, probably also + Iod + Omega 3 = an all new Corona ball game to your advantage. The only thing in these that has a real price tag, is a good Omega 3/EPA/DHA, the others are so cheap that basically they are "almost free".

Think of it. "Almost free"

Thats why no clinical trials are being done, thats why the pharmaceutical industry does not talk about it, thats why Germans get pepperd with warnings of how dangerous supplements are.

Next time you buy stocks of pharmaceutical producers and health care providers, think of that ethical implication. When I did in stocks until two years ago, I avoided these (and some others). Your profit comes at the cost of patients' interest. Your profit comes at the cost of people's interest. For me this was important enough so to not touch these, although I could probably have made some gains with some of them. Like I never considered stocks of war-goods and weapons producers. Thats the bad thing about trading stocks and being a private investor. It can too easily corrupt your character, its already bad if you are clueless, and its worse if you know about it - and just do not care.

[Jimbuna]

Millions of people in England wake up to tighter Covid restrictions.

London, York and Essex are among the places moving into the second highest category.

Lancashire joins the Liverpool City Region in the highest alert category.

Stalemate continues between Greater Manchester's leaders and central government over virus measures.

Austria’s foreign minister Alexander Schallenberg tests positive for coronavirus.

Israel is to ease its second nationwide lockdown after cases decline.

More than 39 million cases have been confirmed worldwide globally with more than 1.1 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

A ban on people travelling to Wales from coronavirus hotspots elsewhere in the UK has come into effect.

Paris and other French cities start a month-long night curfew. About 20 million people are covered by the curfew, which goes from 21:00 to 06:00 every night.

Austria’s Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg has no symptoms and is self-isolating after testing positive for coronavirus. It is suspected he may have contracted the virus at the EU Foreign Affairs Council in Luxembourg on Monday.

Poland has recorded its highest daily number of coronavirus cases since the start of the pandemic with 9,622 new Covid-19 infections.

Israel's government has agreed to ease a month-long second nationwide lockdown, after a significant decline in the number of new coronavirus cases.

A city in eastern China has started offering a coronavirus vaccine to the general public -although it has not yet completed clinical trials.

Trump campaign adviser Chris Christie has urged Americans to take coronavirus "seriously" after spending days in intensive care with Covid-19

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/9X90tSNt/b1859345-de89-4058-8b3d-e97338bcbe51.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[August]

Signed by thousands of Medical practitioners and Scientists.



The Great Barrington Declaration

The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.
As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.
Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.
Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

[skidman]

Signed by thousands of Medical practitioners and Scientists.

Including fake names like Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas, who listed himself as a "Dr of Hard Sums".

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dr-johnny-bananas-and-dr-person-fakename-among-medical-signatories-on-herd-immunity-open-letter-12099947

The declaration was published by three authors, among them

"Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases."

Sunetra Gupta claimed in a widely criticized paper in March that half of the British population was already infected with the virus and thus immune. A significant misjudgment, as tests have now shown. To date, since Sars-CoV-2 has already claimed 43,000 lives in Great Britain, less than ten percent of the population has developed antibodies against it.

It is not surprising that the declaration was signed in Great Barrington, Massachusetts - at the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER) located there. Its donors include the US oil billionaire Charles Koch, a notorious denier of climate change, and his foundation has already donated at least a five-figure sum.

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/gesundheit/barrington-coronavirus-massnahmen-1.5068325

https://www.dropbox.com/s/trxe1z60aqi9r49/Flatulence.png?raw=1

[August]

Says you with the broken and foreign language links. :roll:
I also see that your argument is so strong that you had to straight away violate forum rules and go to personal harassment memes to buttress your point.

Is your former forum name Takeda?

[Catfish]

^ i guess not, Takeda left the US because his neighbours physically threatened him and his wife for being immigrants in 2016. He then also left this forum.

[August]

^ i guess not, Takeda left the US because his neighbours physically threatened him and his wife for being immigrants in 2016. He then also left this forum.


You don't actually buy that do you? The guy was full of conspiracy theories. I think the madness just caught up with him and I do know that he came back to the forum under an(other) assumed name at least once.

[Jimbuna]

Other famous names included Dominic Cummings, who is described as "PhD Durham Univercity".

I liked that part of the article :haha:

[Jimbuna]

People in England who have been told to self-isolate through NHS Test and Trace could have their details shared with the police on a "case-by-case basis".

Forces will have access to information telling them if an individual has been told to self-isolate, the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) said.

But the British Medical Association said it was worried police involvement might put people off being tested.

In England there is a legal requirement to isolate after a positive test.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54586897

I'm not sure how this will pan out but I should imagine public opinion will be split.

[Onkel Neal]

^ i guess not, Takeda left the US because his neighbours physically threatened him and his wife for being immigrants in 2016. He then also left this forum.

I remember he claimed he was being harrassed but I do not recall anything about him or his wife being immigrants or be was targeted for being an immigrant? Was that right?

[Jimbuna]

I remember he claimed he was being harrassed but I do not recall anything about him or his wife being immigrants or be was targeted for being an immigrant? Was that right?

IIRC the harassment which included the painting of the star of david on his garage door was because his wife was jewish.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZt-J6UcTXU

[August]

IIRC the harassment which included the painting of the star of david on his garage door was because his wife was jewish.


I doubt anything like that really happened. The guy had some kind of persecution complex.

[Dowly]

IIRC the harassment which included the painting of the star of david on his garage door was because his wife was jewish.
Yep, and if I remember correctly their kids were pulled in to it aswell, so they decided to leave for Australia.

[Jimbuna]

Yep, and if I remember correctly their kids were pulled in to it aswell, so they decided to leave for Australia.

I also believe his wife was what we call in the UK 'head hunted' because she was a highly qualified heart surgeon but this is simply based on information he posted here publicly.

[Mr Quatro]

The bottom line is that Takeda is not coming back, but skidman is :yep:

They are nothing alike one was and is smarter than the other one :o

I'll let you figure out which one :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

I doubt anything like that really happened. The guy had some kind of persecution complex.

What I can and will say on the matter is that using systems and tools for identification purposes which I often use here on SubSim, I am quietly confident the two parties aforementioned are not the same.

[August]

What I can and will say on the matter is that using systems and tools for identification purposes which I often use here on SubSim, I am quietly confident the two parties aforementioned are not the same.
:salute:

[Onkel Neal]

I doubt anything like that really happened. The guy had some kind of persecution complex.


Yeah. So his solution to the harassment was to flee to a country whiter than the US.

Although, IIRC he did return under a different identify at least once....
:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

A decision on a "short, sharp" national lockdown across Wales is due to be announced later.

Talks are to resume on whether Greater Manchester will enter the highest level of Covid restrictions.

The region's mayor, Andy Burnham, said he had a "constructive call" with the PM's team on Sunday.

A further 16,982 people tested positive for the virus in the UK as of Sunday, with a further 67 deaths.

Italy has announced a new raft of measures to tighten restrictions amid a surge in cases.

In Australia, officials are easing tight restrictions in the state of Victoria after more than 100 days of lockdown.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/4yTJ7Kwr/b03e2923-14cf-4fe1-bde9-1632647c8d0e.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/7hMqgxWb/5a860ecb-7463-45db-8bfa-febba6d179be.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

Local supermarket, today, noontime. Naive unsuspecting Skybird walks the shopping walk between shelves and refrigerators - and suddenly stands before empty shelves again, stunned.

Yes, they are doing it again. Panic hoarding of the really irrational kind.

Can you guess what article is no longer available?

Yes, right that one.

Mankind is hopeless.

[Skybird]

[Skybird looking hastily left and right whether Jim was already here: "No, he's not here. Sighofrelief"]

New blood test released, named Dublin Boston Score, that claims to reliably predict the severity of a Corona course of disease. If this is true, this is some really relevant news that will help to save many lives, since proper medical reaction can occure much earlier, massively increasing chances for success.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(20)30402-3/fulltext

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofGMSH5tjYk

[Jimbuna]

Wales is to go into a 17-day "sharp, deep" lockdown from Friday.

All non-essential shops, leisure facilities and places of worship in Wales must close.

Welsh primary schools and years 7 and 8 will return as usual after half term but older students must study at home.

All mixing between households in Wales will be banned, whether indoors or outside.

The 'firebreak' is the Wales's 'best chance' of regaining control of the virus - Mark Drakeford.

In England, talks have continued over whether Greater Manchester will enter tier 3 - with no agreement yet.

Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick says lives will be put at risk there if action isn't taken soon.

Bolton MP Yasmin Qureshi has been hospitalised with Covid-19

The number of confirmed cases around the world has passed 40 million.

All bars and restaurants in Belgium closed for a month and a night-time curfew imposed amid "tsunami" of cases.

Italy has announced a new raft of measures to tighten restrictions amid a surge in cases.

[skidman]

A closer look at the reasons why the "Great Barrington Declaration"

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2701242&postcount=5120

is nothing but dangerous BS.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fug8zITLVyE

[Jimbuna]

Greater Manchester leaders are attempting to reach a deal with the government over additional restrictions.

There have been 10 days of talks over moving to tier three restrictions for the population of 2.8m

Number of UK deaths with Covid on the certificate are up 38% in a week.

Coronavirus testing is offered at a UK airport for the first time for passengers to Hong Kong and Italy.

The Republic of Ireland is moving to a new, very high, level of coronavirus restrictions.

France has reported more than 2,000 people in intensive care - the first time since May.

Argentina has become the fifth country in the world to record one million confirmed coronavirus cases.

[Jimbuna]

A district in Bavaria will go under lockdown from 14:00 (12:00 GMT) this afternoon, the first area of Germany to do so since the spring. You can only leave home in Berchtesgadener Land for shopping, work or other valid reasons. The local infection rate over the past week has hit 272.8 per 100,000.

Compare that rate with Spain’s Navarre region, where infections have hit 945 cases in 100,000 residents. From Thursday, movement in and out of the area will be barred for two weeks and bars and restaurants will close, but takeaways will still be allowed.

Ireland’s strict level 5 measures come into force from midnight tomorrow and the cabinet meets today to consider what extra measures need to be taken. People across the country are being asked to stay at home - you can read more here.

Belgium has had its first night of curfew, allowing only essential movement from midnight to 5am. Another 269 Belgians have been admitted to hospital with Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

The Italian region of Lombardy has asked the national government to impose a regional curfew from Thursday, amid predictions of a steep rise in use of intensive care beds.

France has reported more than 2,000 people in intensive care for the first time since May. More than half the intensive care beds in the Paris region are in use.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/c4B8vqGC/af3080b4-ecf0-4002-ad73-8f0b00e36df4.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

The UK is pushing ahead to be the first nation to carry out "human challenge" studies where up to 90 healthy people will be deliberately exposed to Covid.

The trials, which could begin in January, aim to speed up the race to get a Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54612293

I've a suspicion I've read of this somewhere previously but I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those taking part.

[Skybird]

I've a suspicion I've read of this somewhere previously but I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those taking part.


Too much shyness spoils the show, Jim.

https://strayhair.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Stanley-Tucci-playing-Caesar-Flickerman-in-the-hunger-games-with-awesome-blue-hair.png



C'mon, ain't there no hunger for some game in you? :D


https://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36600000/The-Hunger-Games-image-the-hunger-games-36695427-245-245.gif

[Jimbuna]

Too much shyness spoils the show, Jim.

https://strayhair.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Stanley-Tucci-playing-Caesar-Flickerman-in-the-hunger-games-with-awesome-blue-hair.png



C'mon, ain't there no hunger for some game in you? :D


https://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36600000/The-Hunger-Games-image-the-hunger-games-36695427-245-245.gif

Not at my age but perhaps ten years ago.

[Jimbuna]

Talks on restrictions in Greater Manchester have ended without agreement and additional curbs are now expected to be imposed.

PM is to hold news conference at 17:00 BST with NHS England's Stephen Powis and medical adviser Prof Jonathan Van-Tam.

Before that, Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham is giving his own televised statement at a news conference in Manchester.

There have been 10 days of talks over moving Greater Manchester to tier three restrictions - a move that affects 2.8m people.

It is estimated that the tier three measures will mean that 1,809 pus will have to close their doors in the Greater Manchester region.

[Jimbuna]

PM: Greater Manchester to enter tier 3 from early hours of Friday
Boris Johnson now takes over.

He says Greater Manchester will move to the very high alert level -tier three.

He says this mean pubs and bars will close unless they are serving substantial meals and he strongly advises people against travel into and out of the area.

These new measures will come into force on Friday just after midnight, he says.

Further 241 deaths announced in the UK
A further 21,331 coronavirus cases in the UK have been announced by the government, taking the UK's total to 762,542.

The official figures also announce a further 241 deaths.

These include 213 in England, 15 in Scotland, 10 in Wales and three in Northern Ireland.

https://i.postimg.cc/mkFyTGDB/974cbb8d-a81c-4708-ba08-4c4b99d5c1f1-1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[August]

I've a suspicion I've read of this somewhere previously but I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those taking part.




How much does it pay? Adequate compensation for a relatively low short term risk. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

How much does it pay? Adequate compensation for a relatively low short term risk. :hmmm:

According to the article (linked below)

If Open Orphan moves on to vaccine trials, it will aim to recruit around 500 participants altogether, but Friel says the company will need to screen many times more people to identify suitable volunteers. An ethical review board will determine how to compensate participants. Open Orphan typically pays volunteers around £4,000 for their time, says Catchpole.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02821-4

I can't see any mention of a timeline but either way, £4,000 is nowhere near enough in my estimation.

[August]

According to the article (linked below)



I can't see any mention of a timeline but either way, £4,000 is nowhere near enough in my estimation.


Agree 100%. Now if it were 4 million or even 400k that might be different.

[Jimbuna]

Agree 100%. Now if it were 4 million or even 400k that might be different.

I suppose it depends on how much value an individual puts on their life.

[August]

I suppose it depends on how much value an individual puts on their life.




People risk their lives for a lot less than that.

[Platapus]

Johns Hopkins just published an interesting article about what is tentatively called "Long COVID" which goes into the longer lasting effects of COVID. It could have been written about my Boss?


It is an interesting read.

[Skybird]

If so, then JH is late, Long Covid, under this and other names, is being described since months.

[Jimbuna]

People risk their lives for a lot less than that.

Oh I agree but not me, not at this stage of my life :o

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKbk7T9HE_g

[Jimbuna]

South Yorkshire will move into tier three of England's coronavirus restrictions
Sheffield, Rotherham, Doncaster and Barnsley will come under the strictest level of rules from 00:01 on Saturday.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is due to take MPs questions in the Commons at 12:00 BST

UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the offer of £60m to support Greater Manchester when it goes into the highest level of coronavirus restrictions is "still on the table"

Local leaders in the region say the government is not offering them enough cash to support low-paid workers in businesses which will have to shut due to the tier three lockdown.

Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham and other local leaders want £65m to help the region, but the government is offering £60m

UK government borrowing hit £36.1bn in September as it continued spending to support the economy during the pandemic.

A scientific study suggests factors including age, weight and gender can increase the risk of "long Covid"

Brazil plans to use a Chinese-made coronavirus vaccine as part of a national immunisation programme, officials say.

[Jimbuna]

Away from the changes happening in England, a record 11,894 daily infections have been recorded in the Czech Republic as the government in Prague holds an emergency meeting to consider further restrictions on public life. Schools have been closed, masks are required in built-up areas and pubs and restaurants are limited to takeaways. BBC Prague correspondent Rob Cameron says there’s not much left to tighten, short of a full lockdown.

Fines of up to €1,000 (£910) are being proposed in Ireland for people who hold parties that breach the partial lockdown coming into force at midnight tonight, RTÉ reports. Although schools will stay open, the level five restrictions are the most stringent the government has. These are the details.

Italy’s southern Campania region around Naples is planning to start overnight curfews from Friday night, 24 hours after the northern region of Lombardy. Health Minister Roberto Speranza says "we're working day and night to avoid a lockdown" and he's called on Italians not to make unnecessary journeys.

Ukraine has declared a record 141 deaths in the past 24 hours - and 6,791 new infections.

Dutch princesses Amalia and Alexia returned from Greece last night, days after the royal family's holiday was aborted because of a political Covid backlash. King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima flew back with Princess Ariane on Saturday, a day after they had left.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/rmNsm3S6/12.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/kGj5NS1f/13.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/65xPXQ01/14.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/MK0FK83Z/11.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0gHl8VBzg

[Jimbuna]

Just came across this and it embarrasses me to admit this is my home town....not that I know any of those involved as far as I'm aware.

Twelve members of a football team have been fined after claiming they were from the same household while drinking in a pub.

They were in the Wouldhave in South Shields, South Tyneside, when staff members challenged them after seeing their football kit under their jackets, said pub chain JD Wetherspoon.

Northumbria Police said the member of staff reported a breach of the coronavirus regulations, and officers arrived at the pub. The group was fined £200 each, which will be halved if it is paid within a fortnight.

Ch Supt Janice Hutton of Northumbria Police, said: "This group showed a flagrant disregard for the rules which are in place to help prevent the spread of coronavirus."

The Wetherspoon spokesman said the group had been asked if they were from the same household and that they had said yes.

But player Josh Robertson, one of the those who was fined, denied that version of events.

He told the PA news agency: "They didn't ask if we lived in the same house. Why would 12 lads say we lived in the same house?"

[August]

Well that's one pub chain that won't be hosting any more football team parties.

[Mr Quatro]

Well that's one pub chain that won't be hosting any more football team parties.

In hindsight all they can do is blame themselves :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Well that's one pub chain that won't be hosting any more football team parties.

In hindsight all they can do is blame themselves :yep:

Rgr that :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Chancellor Rishi Sunak speaking in the Commons to unveil "three further steps" to support for workers in parts of England under tier two restrictions
Firms in affected areas will be eligible for cash grants of up to £2,100 a month.

Spain records more than one million coronavirus cases since start of pandemic, the first western European country to do so.

The greater Covid risk for black and south Asian people in England is not explained by racism, says a scientist advising the government on the issue.

Scotland's licensed trade faces a 'battle' to survive after restrictions were extended in the country, industry leaders say.

BBC journalist Martin Bashir is seriously unwell with complications from coronavirus.

Belgian Foreign Minister Sophie Wilmès - who was the country's prime minister until last month - admitted to intensive care with Covid-19.

Greater Manchester will enter tier three restrictions just after midnight
In the UK, 26,688 more coronavirus cases and 191 deaths were announced on Wednesday.

[Jimbuna]

The Czech Republic has this morning gone into a second lockdown as 14,968 new infections are reported. Travel to work is allowed but most shops have been closed. Some areas have recorded rates above 800 infections for every 100,000 people.

New “level 5” rules have come into force in Ireland today - the highest level of Covid restrictions there.

Germany has announced a record 11,287 daily number of infections. That’s the first time it’s gone into five figures. The man leading the government’s fight against the virus, Health Minister Jens Spahn, has himself caught it. He took part in cabinet meetings yesterday, but officials say he wore a mask, and a big round table was used with spacing between ministers, so no-one else will need to self-isolate.

Sweden is removing special guidelines for over 70s – the same advice now applies to everyone in terms of hygiene, social distancing and avoiding large groups. If you go to a restaurant and it's too crowded, don’t go in, says Health Minister Lena Hallengren.

Italy’s Lazio region around Rome has joined two other Italian regions in declaring overnight curfews. Lombardy in the north starts its curfew at 23:00 tonight, Campania and Lazio follow suit tomorrow. Prof Walter Ricciardi, who advises the government on health, has warned that “some metropolitan areas like Milan, Naples and probably Rome are already out of control in terms of controlling the pandemic”. More here on how Italy’s restaurants are trying to reinvent themselves.

And some more on Spain, which is the first EU country to reach a million infections. The northern region of Navarre has imposed restrictions on movement from today and the Rioja wine region says it will do the same.

[Skybird]

This is the Corona crisis as well, in so far as while it also would have happened without Corona, the pandemic served as a catalyst that has incredibly accellerated the process. I have feared these consequences in the ongoing pandemic more than anythign else.

Most people will loose most of , not few will loose all that they had. A very few rich ones will incredibly benefit from the redistribution process that is being expressed by a shift from paper to real material value - because ordinary people depending on FIAT paper money so far will not have the buying power anymore to make that shift for themselves, too. Only the rich can transform their wealth into a form of assets and goods that do not get affected directly by inflation like paper currencies. From nothing they get something. All others will loose, and with their losses will finance the wealthy even more wealth. A new upper-lower-class society, which in fact is an old pattern, will arise from this, and if need be: being enforced and protected by police state tyranny and totalitarianism. We already can see the writings on the walls in America and Europe.


Markus Steinbeis is the managing partner of Steinbeis & Häcker Vermögensverwaltung GmbH in Munich.
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The corona crisis hit a world with record levels of debt this year. That is the reason why this otherwise manageable crisis became an existential one. After the global financial crisis in 2008/09, there was a repeated rapid rise in national debt within a short period of time. The latest economic forecast by the International Monetary Fund expects global growth to collapse by around 4.4 percent in 2020. It is therefore not surprising that terms like deflation and recession make the headlines in the business press. Should one seriously prepare for inflation in this environment? From our point of view you even have to. The flood of money from central banks and the monetization of public finances meanwhile lead to a significant increase in the amount of money. A tide change begins for investors.

The M2 money supply (cash as well as savings and cash deposits with a maximum 2-year term and 3-month notice period) is growing by over 20 percent in the USA compared to the previous year. In the euro zone, it is around 10 percent. An excessive expansion of the money supply has always been the basis for inflationary developments in the past. As is so often the case in history, most states in our time can no longer cover their expenditures through tax receipts or the issue of bonds on the capital market. That is why the printing press is started. We are currently experiencing an unprecedented harmonization of fiscal and monetary policy. The central banks have become vassals of governments. Only the elderly among us remember our former independence.

We are at the beginning of the so-called Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). According to this, states can increase the amount of money almost indefinitely through their influence on the central banks. For us this is neither modern nor does it sound like theory. Rather, it is an act of desperation in a monetary endgame that has long since begun. Where does that lead us when budget deficits and national debt apparently no longer play a role because they have become irrelevant with freshly printed money and artificially depressed interest rates? Well, that's good news for all debtors. For investors and especially for the old-age provision of broad sections of the population, this is a disaster. In almost all major western countries, real interest rates (nominal interest less the inflation rate) are negative. Creditors are being dispossessed on a large scale.

The sweet poison of cheap money works and eats its way deeper and deeper into economic, political and social structures. Public and private debts are increasing immeasurably, interest payments can hardly be provided. The financial industry is profiting from asset price inflation and politics is enjoying the new leeway that freshly printed money offers. Charities are distributed and election promises outbid each other. It smells of socialism again. The system is on drugs and the substance is called debt. The balance can only be maintained if the dose is steadily increased. If this does not happen, the patient will show withdrawal symptoms. Last seen in the fourth quarter of 2018, when the US Federal Reserve tried to raise interest rates and shorten its balance sheet.

So far there has been no outcry from the population. There is still trust in the monetary system. Should this trust wane, things will get serious. People will then begin to exchange the money for property. As a consequence, the speed of circulation of money increases and the large amounts of money develop their inflationary dynamics. There is hardly any resistance in politics. System criticism in the mainstream media? Mostly nil.

Historical experiences are deliberately excluded. The history books are full of regimes that wanted to remain capable of acting through freshly minted or printed money and ultimately achieved the opposite. "History does not repeat itself, but it often rhymes" once wrote Mark Twain. When the euro was introduced 20 years ago, 1,000 euros could still buy more than 4 ounces of gold. Not even one today. It would be very surprising if the devaluation of paper currencies did not accelerate in the coming years. So far, inflation has only been shown in the area of ​​asset prices. However, the recent explosion in the money supply due to various fiscal programs should also have an impact on consumer prices in the coming years.


Due to the dramatic glut of money, we fear a significant decline in the value of many paper currencies in the coming years. This shifts the coordinates for today's generation of investors in Germany. Investors have tended to operate in a disinflationary environment since the 1970s. Falling interest rates caused bond prices to rise. Conservative investors were able to steadily increase their wealth through savings and bonds, i.e. in the role of creditors. Real interest rates were mostly positive. The future is likely to be very different. Collecting liquidity by the central banks by raising interest rates would be political and economic suicide. Rising inflation rates will only push real interest rates further into negative territory. The monetary endgame has long since begun. A new era of value stocks is thus looming.

What the market for precious metals has been indicating for many months is likely to be seen in other asset classes in the foreseeable future. Goods that can secure assets in a currency depreciation will come into the focus of investors. In addition to companies with strong balance sheets, this includes selected real estate, precious metals, raw materials and perhaps also inflation-protected bonds. It seems that politicians and central banks have opened a new chapter in the financial markets with their merger.



And/or this:


https://www.ortneronline.at/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Eku_UFbWMAEch6I.jpeg


I am certain the political party fat cats and the elites and the wealthy in Venezuela have more than enough foods and drinks on their tables - and precious metals and jewelry in their cupboards.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTJw2B6GCRo

[Jimbuna]

A bit of common sense from an elderly Brit.

https://order-order.com/2020/10/21/plain-talking-yorkshire-granny-whos-going-to-pay-for-lockdown-not-me-because-im-going-to-be-dead/

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/50kmf4Wk/1286bdf6-ff35-49e8-adab-14f01ac2d367.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Mr Quatro]

Santa Claus must have the Coronavirus ... no Santa visits this year :o

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/santa-is-skipping-macy-s-for-the-first-time-in-159-years/ar-BB1aiX75?ocid=BingNews


The department store's tradition started in 1861, but Santa meet-and-greets won't be happening this year because of concerns about the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, Macy's is creating an interactive virtual experience.

"To replicate the magical experience of visiting Macy's Santaland for children and their families, we will shift to a virtual engagement this year," Susan Tercero, Macy's vice president of Branded Entertainment, said in a press release. It will be available online from November 27 to December 24.

Macy's will limit the number of children who can participate: up to three can take part in the customized experience at one time, the company said.

The experience starts with a greeting from virtual elves who lead the way through Santa's village and workshop, stopping to see the sights and play interactive games. At the end, kids will meet Santa through an interactive video, where they'll be able to share their holiday wish list and take a selfie, which families can download immediately, with Santa.

[Catfish]

^ this is the moment to tell your children there will be no christmas gifts, because Santa Claus just died in the pandemic :arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-iU5HSnLWo

[Jimbuna]

A national lockdown, or "firebreak", begins in Wales at 18:00 BST - and will last until 9 November.

It means people must stay at home, and pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops have been ordered to close.

In Scotland, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has set out a new five-tier alert system to come into force on 2 November.

Tough new measures are in place in Greater Manchester, and Warrington will move to England's highest tier next week.

A further 20,530 people test positive for Covid-19 in the UK, and there were 224 more deaths.

New daily coronavirus cases in England doubled in a fortnight but the growth rate may be slowing, data suggests.

US regulators given full approval for the antiviral drug remdesivir to treat Covid-19 patients in hospitals.

France is extending an overnight curfew to dozens more areas.

[Jimbuna]

The French government is imposing a curfew on two-thirds of the country - 46 million people - from Friday night for six weeks, after a record 41,622 new coronavirus infections were reported.

The Swiss Federal Health Office has reported 6,634 new cases of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours - the first time daily figures have exceeded 6,000.

US regulators have given full approval for the antiviral drug remdesivir to treat Covid-19 patients in hospitals.

In India, large crowds at rallies ahead of elections in the northern state of Bihar have raised coronavirus fears, with footage showing people jostling to get a glimpse of politicians and hardly anybody appearing to wear masks.

Portugal is imposing a lockdown on three northern districts affecting 150,000 people – and the whole country will have restrictions on movement for next week’s holiday weekend.

Denmark is closing its border to German tourists after both countries reported record infections. Work and family visits will be allowed.

Italy’s Lazio and Campania regions begin night-time curfews tonight - Lombardy started last night.

The Belgian government is set to announce fresh virus restrictions.

Spain’s regional authorities have failed to reach a broad curfew agreement but a number of areas are imposing them anyway. Navarre and Rioja have already moved and Madrid will decide its next step today.

North Korea has warned its citizens to stay indoors over fears that "yellow dust" which blows in from China could bring coronavirus with it – but there’s no known link between the seasonal dust clouds and Covid-19.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/Jz9dsTLK/fd08dfe9-d819-40e6-9c7c-f5d63013ab0d.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/8CMXMhkG/68e3b896-663a-452d-be1a-f3c2b4f3f58a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/k4C1cBDb/dd073c5f-71a4-42a4-9014-fa306215aa58.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/153sFgyg/Untitledff.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN8y_VV6a7w

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wgldF_ktfU

[Rockstar]

“No one is safe from COVID-19. No one is safe until we are all safe from it,” said German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier. “Even those who conquer the virus within their own borders remain prisoners within these borders until it is conquered everywhere.”


To help quell the spread of the virus is commendable and should be praised. But this guy is a complete arse. To live in fear is no way to live, to lead by spreading fear it is no way to lead.

[skidman]

Bundespräsident Steinmeier is eminently respected in Germany, Europe and in most countries of the word for his contribution to the process of German-Jewish reconciliation, for his ability to balance interests of different political camps, for raising his voice of reason and mitigation to promote cohesion in the German and the European society. In contrast to most active politicians he stands for dignity, modesty, and political prudence.

Long story short he is the exact opposite of a certain president, who hopefully will be removed after November 3rd.

Those who call Präsident Steinmeier an arse (I thought the use of words like this was not accepted on this board) should put a hand between their cheeks and see what they can find there to get a fair estimate of what I am calling them.

[mapuc]

The numbers of infected seems to go skyhigh here in Denmark.

Day before yesterday was 7-something, yesterday it was 859 infected, today it was 945 infected.

With my little knowledge on pandemic I would say...it looks like our health authorities have lost control over it.

The politicians has imposed new restrictions. It takes about 10-14 days to see if these have helped or not.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Bundespräsident Steinmeier is eminently respected in Germany, Europe and in most countries of the word for his contribution to the process of German-Jewish reconciliation, for his ability to balance interests of different political camps, for raising his voice of reason and mitigation to promote cohesion in the German and the European society. In contrast to most active politicians he stands for dignity, modesty, and political prudence.

Long story short he is the exact opposite of a certain president, who hopefully will be removed after November 3rd.

Those who call Präsident Steinmeier an arse (I thought the use of words like this was not accepted on this board) should put a hand between their cheeks and see what they can find there to get a fair estimate of what I am calling them.




That's nice you think he stands for dignity, modesty, and political prudence. But with the EU's internet codes of conduct I understand if you get caught saying otherwise you might get flagged, fined or arrested :haha:. Also, I wasn't trying to make comparisons to other leaders I was just looking at the statement he made and concluded he is fear mongering and instilling a sense of hopelessness to the whole situation. Shame on him.

[Rockstar]

The numbers of infected seems to go skyhigh here in Denmark.

Day before yesterday was 7-something, yesterday it was 859 infected, today it was 945 infected.

With my little knowledge on pandemic I would say...it looks like our health authorities have lost control over it.

The politicians has imposed new restrictions. It takes about 10-14 days to see if these have helped or not.

Markus


Yes infection rates are spiking. But what is rarely spoken of is death rates are dropping. Unfortunately leaders are not saying anything about that or what is working. Instead we get clowns like Steinmeier who just keep telling you the sky is falling.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/20/925441975/studies-point-to-big-drop-in-covid-19-death-rates


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.30.20165134v2

[skidman]

But with the EU's internet codes of conduct I understand if you get caught saying otherwise you might get flagged, fined or arrested

And that again shows your complete ignorance of the codes of conduct over here. Embarrassing.

he is fear mongering and instilling a sense of hopelessness to the whole situation. Shame on him.

From the same speech:

"How many lives we can save depends on the rules we commit to during these weeks. It depends on our wisdom whether the logic of cooperation and collective action can assert itself against egoistic impulses and against geopolitical calculations.
It is up to us how much trust remains as the most valuable resource of coexistence among states at the end of the pandemic."

And if you read the whole speech, maybe you will get what he's talking about. And maybe you will realize the cluelessness and stupidity your post displays.

[skidman]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/20/925441975/studies-point-to-big-drop-in-covid-19-death-rates

"The death rate "is still higher than many infectious diseases, including the flu," Horwitz says. And those who recover can suffer complications for months or even longer. "It still has the potential to be very harmful in terms of long-term consequences for many people."


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.30.20165134v2

"Results: 30-day mortality peaked for people admitted to critical care in early April (peak 29.1% for HDU, 41.5% for ICU). There was subsequently a sustained decrease in mortality risk until the end of the study period. As a linear trend from the first week of April, adjusted mortality risk decreased by 11.2% (adjusted HR 0.89 [95% CI 0.87 - 0.91]) per week in HDU, and 9.0% (adjusted HR 0.91 [95% CI 0.88 - 0.94]) in ICU."

So the HDU mortality rate now amounts to 25.8% and the ICU mortality rate is 37.5%. Wow, these are figures that give reason for hope.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSWROxrWXxg

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/7Y7t2SmV/Untitled1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Italian bars and restaurants now have to close at 18:00, and gyms, swimming pools, cinemas and theatres will be shut until at least 24 November. Confirmed daily cases have risen above 21,000. There were protests in Naples, with businesses demanding compensation, and protests are planned today in Milan and Turin.

Spain now has a curfew in force between 23:00 and 06:00, initially for 15 days, but it could be extended to six months. That’s tough in a country where people traditionally eat out at night. Spain has passed one million cases since the crisis began. Regions may now impose travel restrictions, and gatherings of different households are restricted to a maximum of six people.

The French health authorities say the country may be getting 100,000 new cases daily - twice the official figure. Prof Jean-Francois Delfraissy said the estimated figure included undiagnosed and asymptomatic cases.

The Czech Republic is among the hardest-hit countries in Europe and an emergency field hospital with 500 beds has just been set up on the edge of Prague. Table service has ended in all food outlets, schools have moved online and all non-essential shops have closed.

[Rockstar]

And that again shows your complete ignorance of the codes of conduct over here. Embarrassing.


Nothing personal but you give yourself way too much credit. You know what they say, its embarrassing only if I care what you think, and I don't. My day is good.

No matter how you slice it, dice it or move it around those fear mongering words were his not mine, he said, I didn't.

[Catfish]

^ ... how some Americans adapt to the level of their president in only three years.
I can see how you do not care how anyone in the world looks at the US now, and who knows probably it is better so.

[Rockstar]

I forgot Euros love to point out everyone else's shortcomings.I guess since their perception is its all rainbows and unicorns where they live. I still stand by my statement though your opinion really doesn't matter. Seeing as how I live here I can assure you I see more things good about where I live than what your daily dose of favorite media tells you about.

[Jimbuna]

A further 20,890 coronavirus cases have been recorded across the UK in the past 24 hours, according to the latest government figures, bringing the total since the pandemic began to 894,690.

The government also announced a further 102 people have died within 28 days of a positive Covid test. It brings the total UK death toll to 44,998.

The figures compare to 19,790 cases and 151 deaths reported on Sunday.

After a steady decline since the first peak in April, confirmed cases started rising again in the UK in July, with the rate of growth increasing sharply from the end of August.

[August]

I forgot Euros love to point out everyone else's shortcomings.I guess since their perception is its all rainbows and unicorns where they live. I still stand by my statement though your opinion really doesn't matter. Seeing as how I live here I can assure you I see more things good about where I live than what your daily dose of favorite media tells you about.


Europeans have been gleefully predicting our imminent national doom ever since our inception.

Remember we're mostly populated by the descendants of people that they persecuted and drove out. We're their hated dregs and those huddled masses yearning to breathe free who rejected Europe for a fresh start in the New World.

Unfortunately like jilted lovers our longevity and success as a nation is an ongoing irritation to them and some of them can't stand it which is what you mostly see here in this forum.

[Rockstar]

Europeans have been gleefully predicting our imminent national doom ever since our inception.

Remember we're mostly populated by the descendants of people that they persecuted and drove out. We're their hated dregs and those huddled masses yearning to breathe free who rejected Europe for a fresh start in the New World.

Unfortunately like jilted lovers our longevity and success as a nation is an ongoing irritation to them and some of them can't stand it which is what you mostly see here in this forum.


No doubt their own media drives that opinion. It very effectively diverts attention away from their own problems. Take for instance when the U.S. President didnt attend certain memorial services in France. The great offense it appeared to cause when I told them France was an 'unsecured craphole', travel warnings issued, credible death threats against Macron within days of his arrival, brewing civil unrest. I swear reading their response to that it was evident they didn't have have a clue. For them they seem to be just just stuck on their local headlines of Trump bad man.

Now they are bent on telling me I have to be concerned what the world thinks of the U.S.? Like others here I worked hard for what I got, I pay my taxes. I just spent several weeks in the Appalacian mountains camped in the back country George Washington , Jefferson Natioanal forests, saw and chased off three black bear to boot. Then went to Florida to visit family. Worrying about what the 'world' thinks just isn't part of my day.

[Rockstar]

France back in the news.

French doctor warns his country has ‘lost control’ of virus
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-epidemics-health-paris-europe-07081c1203628dad5eb514cdd0819d16


Spain announces new state of emergency as COVID infections soar
https://news.trust.org/item/20201025140500-8md1q


Germany grapples with coronavirus spike months after it was hailed for good practice

"Our neighboring countries are doing much worse than us,” said Rudolf Mayerhofer, 73.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/germany-grapples-coronavirus-spike-months-after-it-was-hailed-good-n1244275




Note the comment made by Mayerhofer. This is exactly what I'm talking about people being lead to believe its all rainbows and unicorns in Germany and that its the world outside that has all the problems. Absolutely oblivious

[skidman]

This is exactly what I'm talking about people being lead to believe its all rainbows and unicorns in Germany and that its the world outside that has all the problems. Absolutely oblivious

The funny side of the gibberish you write is: You don't even know how wrong you are.

[Jimbuna]

Protests have taken place against Covid restrictions in cities across Italy. There was violence in Milan and Turin as demonstrators clashed with police over the introduction of night curfews and the closure of restaurants, bars, gyms and cinemas.

Belgium will decide this weekend whether to impose an immediate second national lockdown, according to interfederal Covid-19 spokesman Yves Van Laethem. Half the country’s 2,000 intensive care beds are full and he believes by the weekend 1,250 of the beds will probably be occupied.

The Slovak government wants to test the entire population from this weekend. Prime Minister Igor Matovic hopes to identify tens of thousands of infected people, then they and their families would spend the next 10 days in quarantine.

In Russia, masks will have to be worn in many public places from tomorrow – and catering services will have to shut from 11pm

Danes will have to start wearing masks indoors in most public spaces from Thursday - more than 1,000 infections were reported yesterday over a 28-hour period.

The Czech Republic will start a night curfew tomorrow night from 09:00 to 05:00 – it has the highest infection rate in Europe.

Germany’s DIVI intensive care and emergency medicine association is warning of a “dramatic shortage of nurses” as infections surged 11,409 in 24 hours – there’s no shortage of beds, just a lack of 3,500-plus specialists.

France’s government convenes its health defence council today and the big question is whether to impose some form of lockdown as early as this weekend. The head of the science council says daily infections could be “around 100,000”. Paris region hospitals have been told to halt from Friday any unrelated surgery or medical activities if they get in the way of Covid crisis or critical care.

[Jimbuna]

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[Jimbuna]

More than 50 Tory MPs seek "clear road map" out of lockdown curbs in northern England.

Warrington is latest part of England to move into the top tier of Covid-19 measures.

Covid-19 was involved in 761 (or 6%) of the deaths registered in the UK in the week of 16 October, latest ONS figures show.

This figure is up sharply (60%) on the week before, but still far below the peak reached in April.

Levels of protective antibodies in people wane "quite rapidly" after coronavirus infection, according to researchers.

Covid-19 has "thrived" among black, Asian and ethnic minority communities due to structural race discrimination, a Labour report says.

There have been more than 1.16 million virus deaths worldwide and more than 43.5 million cases, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873


The Imperial College London team found the number of people testing positive for antibodies has fallen by 26% between June and September.

They say immunity appears to be fading and there is a risk of catching the virus multiple times.
(...)
More than 350,000 people in England have taken an antibody test as part of the REACT-2 study so far.

In the first round of testing, at the end of June and the beginning of July, about 60 in 1,000 people had detectable antibodies.

But in the latest set of tests, in September, only 44 per 1,000 people were positive.

It suggests the number of people with antibodies fell by more than a quarter between summer and autumn.

Cheers.
I suggest you pamper your immune systems, guys. Vaccines, herd immunity, antibodies - all that stands on shaky legs only. What it gets down to by the end of the day, is you, the virus and your only real weapon to fight it off: your immune system. If this is not the right time to give it a big dose of love - when then...?

[Jimbuna]

There are two camps here in the UK (possibly in most other countries as well.

One camp is hoping for a vaccine cure and the other favours herd immunity.

The UK Government are currently supporting the former.

[Rockstar]

I strong immune system is indeed paramount. The reason I went to Florida last week was to take care of my mom who tested positive for COVID, she's 81. After having a fever for two days, general malaise, and a very poor appetite. Now she's back to racing down I-95 with the top down in her Cadillac XLR. :roll:

[Jimbuna]

I strong immune system is indeed paramount. The reason I went to Florida last week was to take care of my mom who tested positive for COVID, she's 81. After having a fever for two days, general malaise, and a very poor appetite. Now she's back to racing down I-95 with the top down in her Cadillac XLR. :roll:

Extremely pleased to learn of it :yeah:

[Jimbuna]

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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpj9Ioudp7I

[Rockstar]

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Meanwhile Chancellor Angela Merkel's centre-right CDU party said it was considering postponing its December 4th congress for 1,000 delegates, who are set to choose a new party leader and possible Merkel successor. Merkelreich must survive for the good of the greater German Empire... err I mean the E.U.

WOW. A lot of people here have wrongfully accused a certain leader of such shenanigans. But Germany's Fuehrer aunty Merkel without hesitation comes right out and announces a plan to postpone elections! And not one peep here from the peanut gallery of freedom and democracy. :har::har::har::har:

[Skybird]

centre-right CDU


:har:

[Skybird]

Empirial College London releases a study in The Lancet featuring the so far most advanced analysis of what kind of non-pharmaceutical interventions have what kind of effects on bringing down the R-value over what ammount of time.



https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30785-4/fulltext





According to the results from the main analysis, a decreasing trend over time in the R ratio was found in the first 14 days following the introduction of school closure, workplace closure, public events bans, requirements to stay at home, and internal movement limits (figure 3 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30785-4/fulltext#fig3)); the reduction in R ranged from 3% to 24% on day 28 following the introduction (table 1 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30785-4/fulltext#tbl1)). The introduction of a public events ban was associated with the highest reduction in R; the R ratio was 0·90 (95% CI 0·82–0·99) on day 7, 0·83 (0·68–1·00) on day 14, and 0·76 (0·58–1·00) on day 28 (table 1 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30785-4/fulltext#tbl1)). An increasing trend over time in the R ratio was found following the relaxation of school closure, bans on public events, bans on public gatherings of more than ten people, requirements to stay at home, and internal movement limits, especially after the first week after relaxation; the increase in R ranged from 11% to 25% on day 28 following the relaxation (figure 3 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30785-4/fulltext#fig3)). The relaxation of school closure was associated with the greatest increase in R on day 7 (R ratio 1·05, 95% CI 0·96–1·14) and day 14 (1·18, 1·02–1·36). The relaxation of a ban on gatherings of more than ten people was associated with the greatest increase in R on day 28, with an R ratio of 1·25 (95% CI 1·03–1·51) on day 28. Negative interaction––ie, towards an R ratio of 1—was identified when multiple NPIs were introduced or lifted simultaneously (appendix p 42 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30785-4/fulltext#sec1)).

[Jimbuna]

Coronavirus restrictions should be the same across all four UK nations this Christmas, say the Lib Dems and Alliance Party of Northern Ireland.

Lib Dem leader Ed Davey says the UK government should take action now "so Christmas isn't cancelled"

Environment Secretary George Eustice says the government wants Christmas to be "as close to normal as possible" but it's "too early to say" what rules will be in place then.

Young and ethnic minority workers were more likely to be made unemployed post-furlough, according to new report.

Police in Scotland are breaking up hundreds of house parties every week despite the ongoing ban on home visits.

The UK government announced 22,885 confirmed cases on Tuesday, and a further 367 deaths, bringing the total death toll to 45,365

Across the globe there have been more than 44 million coronavirus cases and more than 1.1 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

[Jimbuna]

In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel is set to decide with state leaders whether to shut bars, leisure centres and hotels next month - in a potential move being dubbed as "lockdown light".

A draft proposal of the measures seen by German media suggests a broad but limited lockdown from 4 November, which would allow schools to remain open but require cinemas, theatres, bars and leisure centres to shut.

In France, President Emmanuel Macron is to give further details later today of a planned four-week lockdown, with reports suggesting schools will stay open and online study will be encouraged for older children and universities.

Ireland last week moved to its highest level of coronavirus restrictions - which include a ban on social gatherings indoors or in gardens - with the aim of reopening before Christmas.

Italy shut cinemas, restaurants, bars and gyms this week, with protests following in some cities.

In the Czech Republic, night curfews start at 21:00 - except for working, walking the dog or urgent medical needs.

In Russia, people have to wear masks in crowded public places and regional authorities are being advised to impose a 23:00 curfew on catering and entertainment.

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[Jimbuna]

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[Skybird]

It seems that Germany is set for a second lock-down, described as a "wave braker" to get things a bit under control again before Christmas season, so that family can meet at Christmas for sure. From next Monday on, this lockdown light will come into effect, banning several branches of business and public life from operating. Shops will remain open. Schools shall stay open as long as possible (obviously nobody in the chancellor's round table meeting found it necessary to take note of the recent study of Imperial College London). Only member of the same and one other household are allowed to meet in public or in private space. A state of national health emergency should be declared, so that restrictions and rules are much more difficult to fight against at courts. The measurements are pre-determined to run for a limited, not an unlimited time of 4 weeks, with a preliminary new assessment being made after two weeks.

Its embarassing - toilet paper is out since days again.


Meanwhile, researchers and scientists dampemd expectations for a first generation vaccine, warning of not having overly exaggerated hopes for its efficiency and lasting effect. It will not do the great miracle effect.

[Rockstar]

:har:


I got that from a German English newspaper. I guess they identify themselves as center-right so they can dismiss others ideas and accuse you of being far right.

[Skybird]

I got that from a German English newspaper. I guess they identify themselves as center-right so they can dismiss others ideas and accuse you of being far right.

Maybe they were that in prehistoric times, but Merkel has overtaken the political left on the left lane at times, to steal their signature projects that way and occupy them herself. There is a reason why she is in her 16th year: the reason is she suffocates and erodes every opposition. The liberals/libertarians of the FDP are not libertarian anymore these days. The conservative Christians of CDU and CSU are neither conservative nor explicitly Christian anymore. The SPD is nothing anymore, and Die Linke is still the SED. With the exeception of the more and more Nazi-housing and hijacked-by-Nazis AfD, all parties in the Bundestag are state-socialists and planned-economy-theoresticists these days, and mind you, in the the end the Nazis were and are social and economical socialists and central-state fans as well. All parties with the exception of the AfD are pretty much the same by now, pro EU, pro Euro, pro-debt union, pro centralist state, pro planned economy, pro monmey destruction, they only differ in the ammount of shamelessness or shamefulness with which they openly admit or avoid to admit to be socialist and left: but socialist and left they all are. Its fair to say that all mentioned parties are rather wings of just one and the same party. The self-understanding of politicians is absolutely feudal and aristocratic.

I see it the same in the US, btw., and in most other European countries. I do not differ between Democrats and Republicans in the US that much, to me they are just two different wings of one and the same meta-party. If some people still say the cold war was lost by the socialist block, I can just bitterly smile. Socialism has never had such a rally as in the present. All the crows flock together to protect their selfish career and system interests. It seems to be the same like this, everywhere. Political REAL choice? Very, very very rarely to be seen and being real, mostly it is just fake show and false appearance.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSzq39X5bK8

[Jimbuna]

The UK government announced 24,701 confirmed cases on Tuesday, and a further 310 deaths, bringing the total death toll to 45,675

Further restrictions are being discussed by leaders in Europe, as a second wave of infections tightens its grip on the continent.

Around of two-thirds of coronavirus fines have been issued to people under the age of 35 and the vast majority of fines went to men, new figures show.

Police in England and Wales handed out 20,223 fines for breaching coronavirus restrictions between 27 March and 19 October, according to the National Police Chiefs' Council data.

Of those fines:

78% were issued to men
35% went to 18 to 24-year-olds
18% to those aged 25-29
14% to people aged 30-34
In England, 64 fines were issued for large gatherings such as illegal raves and parties, carrying a £10,000 penalty. Two were handed out in Wales.

Provisional figures for England's recently introduced three-tier system show 268 fines have been issued, with 65 handed out for a breach of regulations in tier one, 79 in tier two, and 124 in tier three.

[Jimbuna]

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[skidman]

Maybe they were that in prehistoric times, but Merkel has overtaken the political left on the left lane at times, to steal their signature projects that way and occupy them herself.

I am not making comments on your one-dimensional analysis of the German political landscape (just the same cr*p over and over again). Though I never voted for Merkel's party, one thing is crystal clear: We have to consider us fortunate, cause our Chancellor is a natural scientist, a well-versed leader and not a testosterone driven jumping jack like BoJo, Trump or Bolsonaro.

[Jimbuna]

I think Boris would be pleased to learn of your description of him :)

[skidman]

:03: Hm, I can see what you are referring to, and you are right. Surely it is recommendable to contain oneself when writing about other countries politicians. Point taken. The chief of the boat is a wise man, who knows how to adequately rebuke a angry young skidman.

[Catfish]

Hmm, i guess Jim meant this literally.
To skilfully misbehave is a virtue in those circles, Johnson is the type of being proud of called something like a testosterone-driven successful (in his own view) ladies' man :D

[Jimbuna]

One of Boris finest virtues is his unquestionable skills at being an accomplished philanderer....lock up your wives and daughters.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IYHZX8kWpM

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awc0bN07Aac

[Jimbuna]

A study by Imperial College London suggests nearly 100,000 people are catching Covid-19 every day in England.

The authors say current measures to curb infections are not sufficient and "something has to change"

In Wales, the exams regulator is recommending GCSEs be scrapped in favour of assessments next summer.

People in Scotland will find out later which level of the new five-tier system of rules their council area will be in from Monday.

The UK reported a further 24,701 cases on Wednesday, and a further 310 deaths, bringing the total death toll to 45,675

France and Germany are both reinstating some form of national lockdown, as Europe confronts a surge in cases and deaths.

Globally there have been more than 44.4 million coronavirus cases and more than 1.1 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

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[mapuc]

A Danish science team have discovered why some people don't feel anything despite being infected and why some don't feel a thing until the virus makes them suddenly very sick

The virus has the ability to hide it self from the bodies immune system.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGvqZqsJIgo

[Jimbuna]

More than 11 million people - 19.6% of the population - will be living under England's tightest restrictions - tier three - from Monday.

Nottinghamshire has now moved into the top tier of Covid-19 restrictions after an overall rise in infection rates.

West Yorkshire will move into tier three measures from Monday.

UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab defends localised measures - he says the government is "striving to avoid" a "blanket approach"

Infection rates are rising rapidly, with an estimated 100,000 people a day catching the virus.

North East of England at "critical point" in virus fight, say heads of seven local authorities in the region.

Germany and France reintroduce strict measures amid dire warnings for winter.

UK's latest daily figures show 23,065 further positive cases and 280 more deaths as of Thursday.

[Jimbuna]

From today, every time you leave your home in France you need to have a good reason and usually a downloaded document. You can go to school, buy food, go to work or go for a jog or walk the dog close to home and go to the pharmacy. But masks are now required from the age of six. France declared 47,637 new infections last night and 235 deaths.

European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen has promised all 27 EU countries will get vaccines at the same time based on their size of population. She wants borders to remain open but mainly to essential travel.

Thirteen of Spain’s 17 autonomous regions have now stopped movement in and out of their areas. Valencia is the latest to close its borders for the next week.

Almost all of Austria has turned red on its four-level at-risk traffic light system. That means outbreaks are out of control and the virus is widespread. Austrians will expect new measures to emerge tomorrow.

Greeks are waiting to hear what PM Kyriakos Mitsotakis will announce today – with medical experts warning that tough measures are required. Thessaloniki is one of three areas now in the “red” zone – courts, museums, cinemas, restaurants and gyms have closed.

Belgians will hear later what’s in store for them today and things aren’t looking good. Health minister Frank Vandenbroucke says “I reckon it’s inevitable we’ll toughen restrictions”. More than half the country’s 2,000 intensive care beds are full and hospitals in French-speaking Wallonia it’s now 60%.

Russian infections have surged to a record 18,283 with 355 new deaths and Poland is facing record infection numbers of over 20,000 a day.

Ukraine has declared a record high 173 deaths and 8,312 new cases – but officials say another 3,394 people have recovered which is also a new high.

[Skybird]

A huge public testing in Bavaria revealed that six times as many children had antibodies than had previously been reported as infected.


The claim that chidren do not catch the virus, is just an opportunistic lie, and I always assumed that. Its to keep schools and kindergardens open so that parents can attend their jobs in the factories.

[Skybird]

For the time being, the EU has rejected to free ressources needed to launch on banning nutrition supplements in therapeutically effective doses, saying that in these days of the pandemic, the ressources to formally organised that are needed elsewhere. What sounds like a threat, but okay. - Mind you, on the heigh of the Corona crisis and revelations abutu the importance of Vitamine-D, German minster Klöckner had nothuign better to do than to go to brussel in April and demand that supplements should be banned from havign therapeutically effective doses. Of course she did not say that but claimed some other lies, but she was and always is about protecting industry interests against consumer interests. thats her job as consumer rights ministress, she thinks. That way, she wanted to acchieve that finally their is juste in the old claim that nutrition supplements are i vein anyway. Health is not to be come from them, but from hositals, doctors and pharmaceuticla drugs. The statistics show that this is not so much the case and that drugs have serious health effects in themselves, but - okay, lets not be too picky. Some hundred thosuands health comlkcuatins, an explsoion of chrinic deasease that doctors claim cnanot be healed, and many deaths that maybe are not needed, do not weight to heavy, don't you think?

Therefore, the Greens have launched a law initiative in the Bundestag to get this ban going nationally. Germany already is at the ower end of nutriton supplementaiton values in international European comparision, but according to the greens, who vote the word "verboten" as word of the year every new year since I can remember, these values still are too high, and must be lowered even more, to interrupt malicious evil profit making (that the pharmaceutical industry seems to not be guilty of...).

The situaiton is dire over here. Unntoice dby many, nutrition blogs silently were forced to censor and ban essays and articles pointing out nutrition deficits in Germany over the past 12-18 months. Descrptions of selene deficits and vitmaine D efficiency in corna tretament were censored by legal threats, and oartly my law enforcements. I know of two articles on salt and how stupid the demand to limit it is, that in the ast six weeks were deleted by force. Another long work on iodine and the massive deficit people usually have, and describing that so much more thna just the thyroid needs it, also has been remved by threat of a lawyer.



There is a word for it. CENSORSHIP. And still, none of the state channels has ever lost a single word on the effectiveness and imortance of high vitmaine D doses, amongst other slike Zinc, magnesium and more. The scientific pulbications outside Germany are brimming with news on these. The data is overwhelming. In Germany - IT GETS ACTIVELY SUPRESSED. The interests of the pharmaceutical industry and health officials are at risk - the state merciessly comes to their rescue, it seems. That people remain sick, suffering, dying - unimportant. And it is not just Corona!


There is a conflict of interests bertwee industry and medicla establishmenet, and the population. The orindary peoek wnat to stay healthy. The pharmaceutical industry and health business cannot make money out of healthy people, they need and want sick people. The sicker, the more money. The longer the disease lasts, the better. This conflict is fundamental It cnnot be solved other than by brute force. It comes down to who the stronger one is. And the state is the stronger one. And it has chosen sides - against the ordinary people.





A German professor has replied to that now, on youtube, and he gave the full text in writing as well. I used, as usual, Google Translator. Enjoy. Its a very butter and serious issue, once again superior "plannerS" think they know things better and they once again will to bring millions and generations into misery with their supeiror planning, but he presents his acid criticsm in a style that is both humorous - and bitingly sharp.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKe17Abgw90


I have to admit, I completely misunderstood you and your political colleague Ms. Klöckner from the CDU. This can happen to an old professor in the hectic everyday life of the practice. My mistake in thinking was that they were playing into the hands of the downright pharmaceutical industry and wanted the supplements off the shelves. So that this - what you called it - “profiteering” - with vitamins can finally come to an end.

However, I just made a mistake with the numbers. If you want to standardize and harmonize Europe-wide, then you are even committed to ensuring that an adequate supply of vitamins and minerals is finally on the agenda of doctors and nutritionists in Germany! And that the equally honest food industry is encouraged to produce species-appropriate, i.e. vitamin-rich foods. Class!

I had already suppressed the fact that we are not only taking one of the last places in Europe when it comes to Pisa and internet access.
We are also at the bottom of the list in Europe when it comes to the maximum limits set by the German Federal Ministry for Risk Assessment - for the intake of vitamins.

The fact that in my 1750 vitamin C laboratory measurements in the last 13 years in real patients only 146 had a reasonable value - i.e. just 8.3% - should clearly benefit you in your argument against the opponents of raising these limit values. Because logic and robust measurement data cannot simply be swept under the rug.

I think it's so great that you want to raise the recommendation of our semi-public German Nutrition Society for vitamin C intake from a ridiculous 225 mg to a tailor-made 2 to 4 g per day! Finally!

Unfortunately, people no longer have the ability to produce vitamin C themselves. So they have to get it from the outside! With targeted dietary supplements and with the food industry, Ms. Klöckner.

Thank you for wanting to support it! Do you need further arguments for raising the ceilings? When it comes to vitamin C in particular, you are completely free in your decision, because the European requirements for vitamin C do not set any upper limits. Why? Because there isn't one? Excessive amounts of water-soluble vitamins are simply excreted! No matter, so here you had good advisors by your side.

This is also the case with the subject of vitamin D: there has been a huge leap in knowledge in recent years about what vitamin D in the body is responsible for. So if the scientific world agrees how important vitamin D is and according to the BfR we are only allowed to have 5 micrograms in Germany, but Europeans even 20 times as much, then I would have to emigrate soon if you don't do something soon.

I don't know how far the restrictive measures in this country will go in the event of an overdose: do I have to put on a straitjacket if I should have reached this value after 20 minutes in the summer sun? And can I only spend the other hours of the day indoors because otherwise I would produce too much vitamin D? Am I not allowed to go out the other days of the month at all? So again quarantine? Or will my vitamin D value be checked forcibly?

That you want to spare me all that and want to increase the vitamin D target value - is so brilliant. Officially, Germans are 80% undersupplied anyway. I would therefore like to thank you both now for finally raising this target value to a European and even a scientific level. My European friends are now allowed to dose 20 times that amount - 100 micrograms - with impunity. You'd have to measure a bit, but I could help you with that.

Incidentally, my patients receive between 20,000 and 60,000 international units of vitamin D a week, tailored to their needs, man, that was really illegal so far. It's just good that I have robust measurement data as an excuse here too.

Thank you, dear Ms. Künast and dear Ms. Klöckner, for taking another important step towards relieving us ignorant, confused professors of the responsibility to worry.
You and your consultants have seen through this much better and will fix that too.

If the last person in Germany has not learned how well our politicians want to shape our lives, then I don't know anymore.

And I also have to admit without envy that, unlike me and my patients, you really look like life in bloom. So you're doing everything right!

Thank you very much and stay the way you are.
With kind regards,
Prof. Dr. med. János Winkler, Lüneburg

[Skybird]

In an earlier reply to that hollowhead, he was more serious, and said this:



Dear Ms. Künast,
what kind of advisors did you have there? If what you have shared with your electorate here came from your own thoughts, then I will address you directly: You can address your concerns about an overdose of dietary supplements with a very simple and logical - I emphasize again - logical and even Get rid of the scientific train of thought immediately: "WHO WANTS TO KNOW - MUST MEASURE!". Incidentally, this is a common tenet in natural science. But in science! If your German people run the risk of being overdosed, all investigations would have to be carried out and studies show that it is. Is that so? No!

Why am I allowed to speak here? In contrast to you, I do not estimate, I do not believe and I do not hope, but know because I am measuring! I am a doctor in a practice and I work with real patients every day! And I have commissioned and evaluated 13,300 laboratory tests in the last 13 years. Just one example: Your colleagues from the Federal Ministry of Health reported vitamin D as being about 80% undersupply of the average German population. Of the 3,400 vitamin D examinations that I carried out from 2011-2019, just 20 showed the correct, i.e. good, vitamin D values. This is rounded up (!) Just 0.6%! And now you come!

PS: Shall I present you the figures on the undersupply of the average German population with regard to vitamin C, the undersupply of selenium, magnesium, omega 3, zinc, amino acids, etc.? I will be happy to provide you with all data sets! To be amazed and to learn again!
If you are the notable exception, now would be the opportunity to demonstrate a skill as a leader: admit a stupid mistake and be ashamed. Can you do this?

PPS: I will continue to help my patients with scientific basic medicine to lead a self-determined, vital life! You have - unfortunately - impressively demonstrated that we cannot rely on you.
Prof. Dr. med. János Winkler, Lüneburg

[Jimbuna]

Covid is spreading "significantly" faster through England than even the government's predicted "worst-case" scenario, documents reveal.

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) says there are around four times as many people catching Covid than anticipated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54750775

[Jimbuna]

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[Rockstar]

Coronavirus: WHO backflips on virus stance by condemning lockdowns

Dr. David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders yesterday, telling them to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method” of the coronavirus.
“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

Dr Nabarro’s main criticism of lockdowns involved the global impact, explaining how poorer economies that had been indirectly affected.
“Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren’t taking their holidays,” he said.

“Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.”


They created a petition, called the Great Barrington Declaration, which said that lockdowns were doing “irreparable damage.”
“As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” read the petition.
“Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.”


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/news-story/f2188f2aebff1b7b291b297731c3da74

[Skybird]

Endlessly re-referring to the Barrington Declaration does not make it any less dubious as it was from beginning on. It only makes it more annoying than it already has been.

[Catfish]

This is so old, and I guess the inventors ran out of names.
But Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas as signers are credible enough for those who want to believe.

"It is important to note here that this is not a joke story. This is a real thing. The President of the United States of America and his advisers in the White House are promoting a scientific public health theory, using a letter signed by joke names and serial killers as his support. It makes sense that Trump and his crew of cons would find a scientific con to promote their policy con."

[August]

Endlessly re-referring to the Barrington Declaration does not make it any less dubious as it was from beginning on. It only makes it more annoying than it already has been.
It annoys you? Well then by all means lets have some more of it! :Kaleun_Wink:

[August]

This is so old, and I guess the inventors ran out of names.
But Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas as signers are credible enough for those who want to believe.

"It is important to note here that this is not a joke story. This is a real thing. The President of the United States of America and his advisers in the White House are promoting a scientific public health theory, using a letter signed by joke names and serial killers as his support. It makes sense that Trump and his crew of cons would find a scientific con to promote their policy con."

Statement from one of the three main signatories:

In response, Jay Bhattacharya regretted that "some people have abused our trust by adding false names", which he supposed was "inevitable". However, he added that "given the volume of correspondence I have received from medical and public health professionals, as well as scientists and epidemiologists, it is clear that a very large number of experts resonate with the message of the declaration and its call for a focused protection policy".[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration#cite_note-indy-39) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration#Critical_commentaries

So the question is do a mere 100 jokers out of the almost 200 thousand signers invalidate what they say or does it just provide the covid nazis a convenient way to dodge the concerns they raise?

Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the Oxford University Department of Zoology,[19] has been a critic of the prevailing COVID-19 pandemic lockdown strategy, arguing that the cost is too high for the poorest in society, and expressing concern about the risk of widespread starvation in many countries because of lockdown-related disruptions in food supply chains.[3] She led a group which in March released a widely criticized modelling study suggesting, in one of its scenarios, that half the population of the United Kingdom might already have been infected with COVID-19,[20] and in September a pre-print study which argued herd immunity thresholds might be lower than expected due to pre-existing immunity in the population.[21] Rupert Beale of the Francis Crick Institute described the March pre-print as "ridiculous" and "not even passed by peer review".[22] Gupta was one author of a 21 September letter to the British prime minister, Boris Johnson, recommending shielding of vulnerable groups of people rather than the lockdown method of the British government response to the COVID-19 pandemic.[23] Of the declaration's signatories, Gupta said: "We're saying, let's just do this for the three months that it takes for the pathogen to sweep through the population", arguing the situation would be only temporary.[6] Gupta has dismissed criticism of her as right-wing, claiming to be "more Left than Labour".[22]
Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine whose research focuses on the economics of health care, co-wrote an opinion piece in The Wall Street Journal entitled "Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?", which claimed there was little evidence to support shelter-in-place orders and quarantines of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States,[24] and was a lead author of a serology study released in April which suggested that as many as 80,000 residents of Santa Clara County, California might already have been infected.[25] The study and conduct of the research drew wide criticism.[26][27] The study was later revealed to have received undisclosed funding from JetBlue founder David Neeleman.[28]
Martin Kulldorff, a professor of medicine and biostatistician, has defended Sweden's response to the pandemic[29] and along with Bhattacharya wrote a Wall Street Journal editorial arguing against testing the young and healthy for SARS-CoV-2.[30] Kulldorff told the National Post that people under 50 years old "should live their normal lives unless they have some known risk factor" while "anybody above 60, whether teacher or bus driver or janitor I think should not be working – if those in their 60s can't work from home they should be able to take a sabbatical (supported by social security) for three, four or whatever months it takes before there is immunity in the community that will protect everybody".[6] He did not explain what people between these ages should do.[6] While Gupta has said in a promotional video that less vulnerable people should be allowed "to get out there and get infected and build up herd immunity", Kulldorff cautioned against deliberately seeking out infection; he said that "everybody should wash their hands and stay home when sick".[6] Kulldorf disagreed with criticism the plan would lead to more deaths, calling it "nonsense".[6] He said "fewer older people – not zero, but fewer old people – would be infected. But you'll have more young people infected, and that's going to reduce the mortality."[6] Kulldorff has discussed the Declaration on a radio programme that has previously featured antisemites and Holocaust deniers.[31

[skidman]

do a mere 100 jokers out of the almost 200 thousand signers invalidate what they say or does it just provide the covid nazis a convenient way to dodge the concerns they raise?

Martin Kulldorff, a professor of medicine and biostatistician, has defended Sweden's response to the pandemic[29] and along with Bhattacharya wrote a Wall Street Journal editorial arguing against testing the young and healthy for SARS-CoV-2... ... Kulldorff has discussed the Declaration on a radio programme that has previously featured antisemites and Holocaust deniers.



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[August]

If stupid personal insults is all you have sonny then you're not worth talking to.

[Rockstar]

Well we know what Socrates was thought to have said:
“When the debate is lost, meme becomes the tool of the loser.”



:)