Wuhan virus 2020

[AVGWarhawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obPAKgwueGE

For heaven's sake, listen to this man. I can understand if you guys do not believe me when I repeat my same things over and over again because you know I am not a trained doctor, but this man is, and all what I try to say, he says, too, but with the full weight of his academically trained and practically experienced background, he is a Covid front fighter. You may not want to believe me, but for heaven's sake, listen to and believe him.

You are safe with daily doses of Vitamine D of up to 40 thousand units, but you probably will not have additional benefit from doses beyond 20 thousand, or from taking it without magnesium, because what you swallow as a pill is just the inactive storage form of it your body does not actively make use of, it must get activated and turned into the metabolistically active form, and that does not happen without lots of magnesium. Its essential. Without magnesium, taking Vitamine D pills is a complete waste. - Personally, I take 12500 I.E. per day. (10K and 15K in turns, to consume up an old stock of smaller pills).


Vitamines D, A (as pure Retinol drops), C, Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium, and you have an immunity booster for starters. get rid of inflammatory Omega-6 excesses. Increase anti-inflammatory Omega-3 levels. Avoid sweets sugars of all kinds, significantly reduce hidden sugars in carbs and wheat, redcue carbs. Consider slowly raising your iodine (and selenium) into the two digit milligram range (the iodine, NOT the selenium!!), but read some stuff on it before. Iodine imo is very relevant for the functining of the guts as part of the immune system, it impacts on the control of the regeneration and permeability of the mucosa, additionally it has anti-carcinogenic value - but only when you take it at doses of 15 mg minimum and then upwards.

Vitamin D has been known to fight against the COVID. :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

What is going on in Poland? 10K new cases. Iran: 20K new cases. Ukraine 14K new cases.

[Skybird]

Vitamin D has been known to fight against the COVID. :hmmm:
Vitamine D has been known to fight against corona virusses since SARS 2003. ;)
But many, especially decision makers, TV "experts", ink pissers and business lobbyists of course, still ignore it.

Thanks to the internet, and activists, and "grassroot conferences", the word neverthelss got spread against the will of these bastards. Mass media still actively deny that vitamine D, (and supplements in general) can have positve effects, and are shameless enough to even state clear lies about the state of research. Active lobbyism by the pharma and food industry at work. They also have tremendous influence on the training curriculae for medicine students.

Sientific research on Vit-D has seen a steep rise in knowledge since the early 70s when Michael Hollick started to work on it (he still is the grey eminence of vitamine D research until today). Since SARS 2003, the knowledge almost exploded. But it got and still gets ignored by many interested parties and politicians and decision makers. It is a threat for profit interests by the pharma industry that wants to sell expensive medication instead of cheap nutrients.

We have seen the same mechanism already a hundred years ago. The Hennig comaopny in 1926 released the first synthesized Thyroxine drug, named Hennig Thyroxine. Of course they advertised it, which is not forbidden in itself. But as part of the marketing, they immediately started to actively defame and trivialize the cheaper and as effective if not superior natural rival product - simple iodine, or Lugol's solution, which was a common healing agent since decades and generations, and without having known all the scioenc ebackgroudn was used by mankind since 15,000 years for healing purposes (by eating seaweed, for exmaple) . Since 1926 we are being told that iodine is not only useless, no, it is dangerous! It is poisonous! But the indeed toxic chlorine, bromine, flourid - these can be made money of by bringing them into the food chain and selling them and some of them having been industrial waste from the aluminium industry that needed to find a way how to get rid of its huge heaps of flouride waste and even making a profit with it! Iodine is the only halogene that is not toxic at usual consumption levels, while all the others are! Heck, there is a drug in the US, forgot the name, it is subscribed for heart issues and serious heart conditions, and is quite common in the US I reda, many tens of thousands of US citizens take it daily. The pill consits of 100mg of stuff - 75 mg of which is Iodine, and the daily dose for most people is two pills - 150 mg (yeah, milligrams, not micrograms!) of iodine, that is! And nobody of these people, even without being explicitly encouraged to also take selenium (as I usually recommend), has died from that much of iodine, or is reported to suffer complications and health detoriation from it.

The system is no health system, it is an illness system. Its a economic system with producers, these producers produce goods, and they want to sell these goods to customers. Customers are ill people, because only ill people will to spend lots of money on medical drugs with meters-long lists of side effects and warnings of complications. Healthy people do not do this, they are of no economic use in this system, they are a nuisance. And that is why everybody official or lobbyistic tells you that all this nutrient stuff does not work and is even dangerous and is a health hazard. The only health hazard here is the very system itself that can only live by keeping peole sick and ill. There is an integral, inbuild structural interest that people should be ill, not healthy.

And that is what many doctors get taught at university, too. They do not learn prevention and nutrition, they learn to subscribe pills and surgical measurements. Those with an intact sense of ethical responsibility later feel uncomfortable and start to learn additional alternative things, but by far not all are this open, many stick with the old stuff and become determined defenders of the old paradigm: the doctor is always right, you owe blind trust and obedience to him, and you must swallow pills to battle symptoms - do not dare to consider tackling the cause for the symptoms. Many doctors do not know how to achieve that, that simple is the grim truth. Our Western medicine is great in surgery and emergency management, but beyond that it is fixiated on battling symptoms only. It knows almost nothing about nutrition value, eating, prevention. It treats the symptoms of deseases. It is not so much interested in stopping deseases to even form up in the first.

There is no money in health. And thats why they do not want you to be healthy. Only sick you are an economical ressource that can be financially exploited.

Listen to your doctor and what he has to tell you. But never trust him blindly, he is just a human, he has not the time to have learned evertyhing, and after university he may have foudn that the everyday life of a dcotor si very much different than what as a young student he imagined it to be, and he is, by his treining, a victim of circumstances. If he is open to new things, be kind and polite and tell him what you think. If he just cleans it off the table and does not want to listen, do not fight because it most likely is a waste of time and energy, but find yourself a new doctor and try him. I did like this earlier this year, got a new doctor. He knows not necessarly more on the things I talk of than the old one, but he is tolerant and open-minded asked questions and signalled both surprise and that if it makes sense to him what I say and point at, he is willing to give it more consideration and time to reaearch it. Like I do not blindly trust him, he does not blindly believe what I tell him. And that is a good basis for both of us. And thats why I listen to him carefully when he objects to something I said. It forces me to get my own homework done.

I do not leave responsibility for my health - heck: my life!! - to just any stranger this way. I try to re-claim back responsibility for my health. There is a price for it: time. You need to invest time to educate yourself a bit on things. Else you just babble, else you just believe.

Some doctors will not appreciate this, you hurt them in their professional self-understanding. Others will like it and support you where they can. Avoid the first, stay with the latter.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm not against the vaccine. I'm cautiously optimistic. No different than being cautiously optimistic with the flu vaccine that has been around for decades but only 40-50% effective. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

I'm not against the vaccine. I'm cautiously optimistic. No different than being cautiously optimistic with the flu vaccine that has been around for decades but only 40-50% effective. :hmmm:
Flu vaccines are seasonal fits, being rmeixed every years on the basis of what kind of strains are expecte din the next season. In Germany, their efficiency is usually rated - by more independent sources having less an agenda for propagating them - at 25-40%, 45% at best. It depends on how good the "guessing" was. And thats why the efficiency of the yearly vaccination campaign varies. ersonally, so ar I have never worried myself with getting these kind of jabs. Some months ago I got a refresher for the usual vaccinations we get at school, during those years. Tetanus, diphteria, that kind of stuff.

We could end up like this with Covid 19 as well. Not so nice, since it can have more robust consequences. Thats why we must focus more, much more in case of Germany, to also develope cures and medical drugs helping to battle Covid 19 once the infection turned into a serious case.

[Jimbuna]

Estimates from the Office for National Statistics survey suggest that about 105,000 people in the UK would test positive for coronavirus in the week to 16 April, down from 130,000 people the previous week.

This is 0.16% of the population – or one in 610 people.

The fall is mainly driven by declines in England.

The ONS also says infections “decreased” in Scotland, but the week-on-week trend is less certain in Northern Ireland or Wales.

The estimates for the UK nations compared with last week are:

England: 1-in-610 are estimated to be testing positive for coronavirus compared with 1-in-480 last week.

Wales: 1-in-840 compared with 1-in-920 last week

Northern Ireland: 1-in-660 compared with 1-in-710 last week

Scotland: 1-in-560 compared with 1-in-500 the week before.

[AVGWarhawk]

Flu vaccines are seasonal fits, being rmeixed every years on the basis of what kind of strains are expecte din the next season. In Germany, their efficiency is usually rated - by more independent sources having less an agenda for propagating them - at 25-40%, 45% at best. It depends on how good the "guessing" was. And thats why the efficiency of the yearly vaccination campaign varies. ersonally, so ar I have never worried myself with getting these kind of jabs. Some months ago I got a refresher for the usual vaccinations we get at school, during those years. Tetanus, diphteria, that kind of stuff.

We could end up like this with Covid 19 as well. Not so nice, since it can have more robust consequences. Thats why we must focus more, much more in case of Germany, to also develope cures and medical drugs helping to battle Covid 19 once the infection turned into a serious case.

I see us in the same situation with Covid. It is already mutating.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/0j4zYKxr/111.jpg (https://postimg.cc/8fhkD57V)
https://i.postimg.cc/442HkqtZ/222.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/jdGWCfZF/333.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[mapuc]

It is already mutating.

This made me remember an issue in our news channel some weeks ago.

WHO is worried:

The South African mutation have been found in Brazil. WHO is worried that the SA mutation shall mutate together with the Brazilian mutation.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

This made me remember an issue in our news channel some weeks ago.

WHO is worried:

The South African mutation have been found in Brazil. WHO is worried that the SA mutation shall mutate together with the Brazilian mutation.

Markus

These are some of the reasons I'm cautiously optimistic with the current vaccine. The study by scientist is ongoing as there are a lot of unanswered questions. It really feels like clinical trials are being done worldwide and not in a controlled environment. Protocols not being followed.

[Skybird]

Israel records no more daily deaths for the first time in ten months.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56868383

Vaccination works.

[Onkel Neal]

Smart people.

[Jimbuna]

Looking really bad in India now: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56870410

[Aktungbby]

Israel records no more daily deaths for the first time in ten

Smart people.

I wonder what's on their doorposts this time as the "angel of death passes over"!!??:o

[Skybird]

I wonder what's on their doorposts this time as the "angel of death passes over"!!??:o
A skull, and a syringe crossed with a nuclear missile.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pytpqP2SYHY

[Jimbuna]

A campaign is being launched to encourage younger people to get the Covid vaccine when their turn comes.

It comes as figures showed more than half of the UK's population have now received their first vaccine dose.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said it was a "brilliant milestone" but warned "the battle is not yet over"

India has set another world record for the number of new coronavirus infections for a fourth day running.

There were a further 349,691 cases in the 24 hours to Sunday morning, with another 2,767 lives lost.

At least 82 people have been killed in a fire at a hospital treating coronavirus patients in the capital of Iraq, Baghdad.

More than 100 were injured in the blaze, which erupted at the Ibn Khatib hospital on Saturday night.

Some 8,000 spectators will attend the Carabao Cup final between Manchester City and Tottenham as part of the official test programme.

A man has been arrested in Spain on suspicion of assault after allegedly infecting 22 people with Covid.

[Jimbuna]

Countries send aid to ease India's oxygen emergency.

International efforts are under way to help India as the country suffers critical oxygen shortages amid a devastating surge in Covid cases.

The UK has begun sending ventilators and oxygen concentrator devices. EU members are also due to send aid.

The US said it would provide raw materials for vaccines that had previously been under export controls.

India's capital Delhi has extended its lockdown as overcrowded hospitals continue to turn patients away.

The government has approved plans for more than 500 oxygen generation plants across the country to boost supplies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56881083

[Jimbuna]

Shops, gyms, swimming pools, pubs and restaurants in Scotland are reopening after a four month-long lockdown.

Pubs and restaurants in Wales are also reopening to customers outdoors.

The UK's most senior civil servant, Cabinet Secretary Simon Case is questioned by MPs about leaks from No 10 and how the government handled the pandemic.

He says its probable an inquiry will not successfully identify the source or sources of a leak about lockdown talks, given the time that has passed.

Boris Johnson denies he said he would rather see bodies pile up than go into a third lockdown, but sources tell the BBC that he did.

The vaccine rollout in England is opening up to 44-year-olds.

International efforts are under way to help India amid a devastating surge in cases.

A Covid-safe, pared-down version of the Oscars in Los Angeles leaves TV critics underwhelmed.

[Jimbuna]

The European Commission has announced it is taking legal action against vaccine manufacturer AstraZeneca.

A spokesperson for the commission said some terms of the contract signed with AstraZeneca “have not been respected and the company has not been in a position to come up with a reliable strategy to ensure a timely delivery of doses”.

Earlier this year AstraZeneca said its supplies would be reduced because of problems in one of its EU factories.

The shortfall was expected to be about 60% in the first quarter of 2021.

The EU called on AstraZeneca to honour its commitments and deliver the jabs it ordered by diverting doses manufactured in the UK. But AstraZeneca said it had to fulfil Britain’s order before it could send supplies made there abroad.

[Jimbuna]

Most Italians are able to return to local restaurants and cafes for outdoor lunch and dinner from today. Table service remains outdoors only; masks and social distancing also remain in force. Under the national colour-coded system for Covid risk, most of Italy is returning to the less restrictive yellow, from orange or red.

A night curfew remains in force from 22:00 local time. Shows are also finally resuming in theatres, cinemas and concert halls. But they can be no more than half-full and spectators have to sit 1m (3.3ft) apart. In Milan, film fans booked all available seats at the Beltrade cinema, where some even turned up at dawn for the first showing, Rai news reports.

In France, nursery and primary school pupils are going back to lessons after three weeks away, with secondary age students returning next week. Belgians now no longer have to make an appointment to visit non-essential shops, but cafes and restaurants don’t yet offer outdoor table service.

In north Germany, police in Friesland have questioned a nurse who admitted swapping saline for Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine when injecting six people last Wednesday. Police quote the woman as saying she did it after dropping a vial, and wanted to cover up her mistake. The Friesland authorities now want 200 people to come forward for antibody testing, as the six are thought to be among them.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMeP66gdc4o

[mapuc]

India should be a warning to those who demands end of restrictions in their country.

Some month ago India had around 10.000 infected on daily basis. It doesn't sound of much thinking on how many they are. So the government decided to ease on their restriction......well we know what's happening in India these days.
India has got a Corona Storm.

Then there are those who are convinced their local media is telling them a lie-what happen in India isn't so terrible as it has been told.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

India should be a warning to those who demands end of restrictions in their country.

Some month ago India had around 10.000 infected on daily basis. It doesn't sound of much thinking on how many they are. So the government decided to ease on their restriction......well we know what's happening in India these days.
India has got a Corona Storm.

Then there are those who are convinced their local media is telling them a lie-what happen in India isn't so terrible as it has been told.

Markus

Some people have to live it firsthand to believe it.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19DPijOoVKE

[mapuc]

Some people have to live it firsthand to believe it.

I believe in free expression/speech
So everyone has the right to have their say

The biggest problem is....a majority has none to very little knowledge about medicin/virology, but nevertheless they write as they were expert.

As I don't have this expertise I follow the instruction my government have given me.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_mhJRFtxg

[Skybird]

Die Welt writes:


The controversial judgment of a family judge at the Weimar district court against the corona mask requirement at two Thuringian schools has consequences. The public prosecutor's office in Erfurt has initiated an investigation against the lawyer, said the authority's spokesman, Hannes Grünseisen, on Monday of the German Press Agency (dpa). -

Prosecutors confirmed that the man's living and work rooms had been searched. A cell phone and other evidence were secured, a spokeswoman for the Erfurt public prosecutor told the dpa. -

There is an initial suspicion of perversion of the law. The question is whether the judge has exceeded his jurisdiction with his corresponding decision. The public prosecutor's office had received several reports against the man. -

According to the public prosecutor's office, there are indications that the family judge arbitrarily assumed jurisdiction even though it was an administrative matter. The judge issued a temporary injunction at the beginning of April that children at two schools in Weimar would not have to wear corona masks in class, contrary to the current hygiene concept of the Ministry of Education. The decision also forbade school administrators to prescribe protective masks, minimum distances and corona tests. -

In his decision, the family judge based himself on three reports that deny the effectiveness of various corona protective measures. In addition, the judge had stated that schools played no role in the course of the pandemic. -

The Weimar Administrative Court, on the other hand, recently declared the mask requirement at Thuringian schools to be permissible in class in an urgent procedure. The administrative judges classified the decision of the family judge as “obviously unlawful”. -

The family court has no authority to issue orders to authorities and their representatives. There is no legal basis for such a competency to arrange, it said. The administrative courts are responsible for decisions on hygiene concepts.


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I add that the suspect called two experts to court and based his sentence on their dubious assessments who are known to be corona deniars and conspiration theoreticists.

[Onkel Neal]

https://youtu.be/vYmSAMcwXA8

[Rockstar]

That song was great a good laugh in the morning is a great way to start the day.


As for the judge in Germany. We have judges in the U.S. that make decisions based interpretarion of the law too. Sometimes they're just as controversial and disagreeable. However those decisions can be contested all the way to the supreme court if necessary.


In Germany the State ransacks the judges home and searches through his private records because the mob thought he lacked the authority or his decision was wrong?

There has to something more to this. Either that Merkle is taking lessons from Maxine Waters

[Skybird]

I think the underlying suspicion is that the judge intentionally abused his authority to sabotage corona policies. There have been charges filed by private persons, but also an internal revision by the department of justice is runing. The judge ruled not only on the case at hand back then, affecting the children of the according family, but widened the sentence to cover two complete schools and banned them from complying with corona restrictions like mandatory masks and testing, putting oblkigatorily all kids and teachers at risk - and their follow-on contact persons.

The "experts" he called, are known members of the corona deniar scene over here, the judge himself is suspected to be part of that scene as well.

The sentence made big waves back then over here, causing a huge outburst of indignation. That there would be a juristical aftermath, was clear from the evening on when the news reported about that sentence.

[Rockstar]

Over here in the U.S., U.K., Canada and other countries I believe its called a 'dissenting opinion'.



For it to cause the State to ransack a home collect private, personal records, publically humiliate the dissenter because of their opinion and interpretation of the law. Makes me think COVID is the least of Europes worries.


We have dissenting opinions here too. In some states, counties and neighborhoods the dissenters take to the streets to recall govenors. In some states a dissenter is one who wears a mask. In others its those who don't. But State doesnt invade their home. The worst that happens is some Karen posts a youtube video.

[mapuc]

India.

Until yesterday I was in the belief that it was one of the known mutation(British, South African or the Brazilian) who was ravaging India. Yesterday I learned that India has been invaded by their own mutation B1617

I see it as this mutation is far worst then the other.

Markus

[Skybird]

Miami school bars vaccinated teachers from seeing students.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56905752

:doh:

Dumb and ruthless. Its murderous stupidity like this why I hope this German judge in Weimar gets removed.

Meanwhile the us has to fight with increasing resistence to vaccinations, the speed at which they takle place is noticably slowing down. It got reprted over here that in some regions authorities almost desperately entreat people to get the shot, with stoocks of the vaccines growing unused.

USA, look to India. They too thought at the beginning of this year they were over it, the pandemic was over and that they could become careless again. Look where they are now. Worst status ever to be seen anywhere in the world during this pandemic.

[Skybird]

Israel finds possible link between vaccine, myocarditis cases.

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-israel-finds-possible-link-between-vaccine-myocarditis-cases-666237/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Weigh the risks of vaccinating with BionTech against the risk of meeting Corona seriosu case infection. The result is as clear as in case on AstraZeneca. Justr that BionTech has not such an established history of lying, unprofessional documentation, complicatosn during pohase 1,2,anmd 3 trials, and fraudulent treaty negotioations, promising dleiveries that it knew it could not deliver, due to lacking capacities. I would still accept the BionTec jab, therefore. I still am not in favour of the AZ jab.


Different to initial fears, vaccines appear to be effective against B.1.617.

https://www.dw.com/en/vaccines-appear-effective-against-india-covid-variant/a-57344037

[AVGWarhawk]

Miami school bars vaccinated teachers from seeing students.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56905752

:doh:

Dumb and ruthless. Its murderous stupidity like this why I hope this German judge in Weimar gets removed.

Meanwhile the us has to fight with increasing resistence to vaccinations, the speed at which they takle place is noticably slowing down. It got reprted over here that in some regions authorities almost desperately entreat people to get the shot, with stoocks of the vaccines growing unused.

USA, look to India. They too thought at the beginning of this year they were over it, the pandemic was over and that they could become careless again. Look where they are now. Worst status ever to be seen anywhere in the world during this pandemic.

An individual menstrual cycle was affected by the vaccine? Sheesh.

[Jimbuna]

You're probably already aware that here in the UK there is a three month period between the first and second vaccinations. I received my first Pfizer jab on 16th February and the second was scheduled for 11th May.

This morning I received a text informing me my May appointment had been cancelled because they had an earlier appointment for me and I should ring the number in the text.

Took me five minutes in a call queue and was informed my new appointment was 6th May, five days earlier :doh:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiuVlYWvWkU

[AVGWarhawk]

You're probably already aware that here in the UK there is a three month period between the first and second vaccinations. I received my first Pfizer jab on 16th February and the second was scheduled for 11th May.

This morning I received a text informing me my May appointment had been cancelled because they had an earlier appointment for me and I should ring the number in the text.

Took me five minutes in a call queue and was informed my new appointment was 6th May, five days earlier :doh:

In the US the second shot is not long after the first. However, they are finding many are not going back for their second shot.

[Jimbuna]

In the US the second shot is not long after the first. However, they are finding many are not going back for their second shot.

Yes, so I believe from looking at the internet.

A bit foolish imho

[mapuc]

In the US the second shot is not long after the first. However, they are finding many are not going back for their second shot.

What is the main reason for this rejection ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

What is the main reason for this rejection ?

Markus

The reasons vary for why people are missing their second shots. In interviews, some said they feared the side effects, which can include flulike symptoms. Others said they felt that they were sufficiently protected with a single shot.

Those attitudes were expected, but another hurdle has been surprisingly prevalent. A number of vaccine providers have canceled second-dose appointments because they ran out of supply or didn’t have the right brand in stock.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/business/covid-vaccines-second-doses.html

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, so I believe from looking at the internet.

A bit foolish imho

Some can't get the second shot as the supply is not there or it is a different manufacturer from the first vaccination. It is a mixed bag of reasons.

[Skybird]

Telling by memory:
5 million, 8% of the first-vaccinated US citizens, do not come for the second jab. Increasing numbers of the young people now invited for vaccination, refuse to accept it. Source: some virologist or epidemiologist from the university of Pittsburg or Philadelphia working for the CD. If the trends contiue like they formed up over the imminent past, herd immunity will not be reached, he said.

Also, with the exception of the John-Johnson vaccione one jab alone doe snot provide full prtection possible, worse: it could even increase vulnerability for future Corona infections/mutations.

[August]

I got it last month. Sick for a week but no worse than the flu, 'cept my sense of smell and taste have not returned (a mixed blessing). Now I got natural immunity from this thing so I don't have to take my chances with the vaccine. Yay me!

[Catfish]

^ umm ok. So.. congratulations?

[Catfish]

EU demands immediate access to UK-made vaccines in AstraZeneca legal battle:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/eu-demands-immediate-access-to-uk-made-vaccines-in-astrazeneca-legal-battle-idUSKBN2CF0Q7

"AstraZeneca's vaccine contract with the UK is based on 'best efforts,' just like its deal with a frustrated EU" (Astra-Zeneca)

Obviously not "best efforts" when it comes to supplying the EU.

[Jimbuna]

EU demands immediate access to UK-made vaccines in AstraZeneca legal battle:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/eu-demands-immediate-access-to-uk-made-vaccines-in-astrazeneca-legal-battle-idUSKBN2CF0Q7

"AstraZeneca's vaccine contract with the UK is based on 'best efforts,' just like its deal with a frustrated EU" (Astra-Zeneca)

Obviously not "best efforts" when it comes to supplying the EU.

It's all the EU's fault :O:

Seriously though, as I've said in the past, the EU 'beef' should be with AZ and not the UK

[Skybird]

AZ's treaty with the UK has punishing clauses in it that have teeth and claws that the EU was too incompetent to include in its own treaty, too. Thats why AZ favours the UK. To not do so would be more costly than to not deliver to the EU.

AZ promised more than it could deliver. The EU negotiated stupidly, and naive. Tzzzzzz...

And has the EU not turned towards BionTech exclusively recently? I would keep the money planned for AZ, put them on a black list, and call it a day.


German tax payers should insist on BionTech anyway. It has been their money in the main that financed the development. And then we are not allowed to benefit from it in full, but we should stick with something else? Doesnt make sense.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qp6Evpi7Jc

[Rockstar]

Quite long but very educational.



https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

[Onkel Neal]

I got it last month. Sick for a week but no worse than the flu, 'cept my sense of smell and taste have not returned (a mixed blessing). Now I got natural immunity from this thing so I don't have to take my chances with the vaccine. Yay me!


Wow, talk about doing things the hard way.

You sure got lucky you didn't have it worse. Lost two friends to it last year.

[August]

Wow, talk about doing things the hard way.

You sure got lucky you didn't have it worse. Lost two friends to it last year.


I am very sorry for your loss Neal.



Don't know how lucky I was though. The disease does have a very high survival rate and while i'm (a little) old i'm still relatively fit and active. Most people, including my wife who could not have avoided catching it from me if it's anywhere near contagious as they claim, never even have a symptom at all, again according to what they say, so how lucky was I really? Certainly a damn sight luckier than your friends to be sure but I do miss the taste of good food. It's lack has made eating more of a chore than one might think.

[Catfish]

It's all the EU's fault :O:
Seriously though, as I've said in the past, the EU 'beef' should be with AZ and not the UK
To the first.. of course :D
To the second, i certainly agree, though it is hard to swallow Boris' boasting when you know what happened :03:


This just in.. not really new though:
Russia, China sow disinformation to undermine trust in Western vaccines

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-china-sow-disinformation-undermine-trust-western-vaccines-eu-report-says-2021-04-28/

[Catfish]

Quite long but very educational.
https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro
Interesting, but afaik he is wrong :hmmm:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://tkp.at/2021/03/17/werden-viren-durch-veraenderung-gefaehrlicher-und-hat-bossche-recht/

edit: was posting a bit early, just watched it completely. There may be some serious "stuff" ahead, thanks for posting.

[Catfish]

Wow, talk about doing things the hard way.
You sure got lucky you didn't have it worse. Lost two friends to it last year.
Very sorry to hear. We have few cases among friends, no one died yet, but one will not be able to go on with his sports studies; seems several organs have been attacked and partially destroyed. It is really strange how this one virus can have so many different "angles of attack".

@August i hope the smell and taste returns. I read that it can take months (up to five) to get it back, so there may be a chance.

[Rockstar]

Just a bit of an update about why the judge might have been subjected to an attack by the German state security forces.

Appears he's one those people they're afraid of.

Germany's domestic intelligence agency says some parts of the anti-Covid lockdown movement are being kept under observation amid concerns they may be trying to delegitimise the state.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56912882

[Onkel Neal]

I am very sorry for your loss Neal.



Don't know how lucky I was though. The disease does have a very high survival rate and while i'm (a little) old i'm still relatively fit and active. Most people, including my wife who could not have avoided catching it from me if it's anywhere near contagious as they claim, never even have a symptom at all, again according to what they say, so how lucky was I really? Certainly a damn sight luckier than your friends to be sure but I do miss the taste of good food. It's lack has made eating more of a chore than one might think.


Yes, it certainly seemed very contagious last year, with the cruise ships and Italian catastrophes. The early indicators prompted me to be zealously cautious. I was probably 10 times more cautious than I needed to be, but in the beginning I realized we just didn't know how bad it was or could be. The CDC and WHO couldn't know either, not sure they still do. They were drawing inferences based on the evidence and the evidence was changing all the time.

My approach was, there were two phases, getting COVID and surviving COVID once you got it. I felt that I only could manage the first. Once you contract it, your fate was in God's hands.

I hope your senses return, man, that's probably worse than people think. Catfish says in 5 months or less, fingers crossed.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, it certainly seemed very contagious last year, with the cruise ships and Italian catastrophes. The early indicators prompted me to be zealously cautious. I was probably 10 times more cautious than I needed to be, but in the beginning I realized we just didn't know how bad it was or could be. The CDC and WHO couldn't know either, not sure they still do. They were drawing inferences based on the evidence and the evidence was changing all the time.

My approach was, there were two phases, getting COVID and surviving COVID once you got it. I felt that I only could manage the first. Once you contract it, your fate was in God's hands.

I hope your senses return, man, that's probably worse than people think. Catfish says in 5 months or less, fingers crossed.


I think mutations will continue to be problematic(India). Sorry to hear about your friends. The virus really does affect each individual differently. Feels like a crap shoot if one is infected.

[Skybird]

Wow, talk about doing things the hard way.

You sure got lucky you didn't have it worse. Lost two friends to it last year.
I hear you. I saw three internet buddies go to the unknown land, two of them I knew for almost twenty years, plenty of emails traded, and old-fashioned correspondence (=email) chess: two or three moves a week, matches lasting months and months.... One was a doctor from Canada who lived in and fought at the Covid front in New York. A very humourous man, and a diabolically capable chess player. Miss him.

The beast leaves traces, even if one does not get directly bitten oneself.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUyQ2luZAWo

[Skybird]

The Frankfurter Rundschau writes:


Update from 04/29/21 5:58 p.m .: The developer of the Russian vaccine Sputnik V has announced a defamation lawsuit against the Brazilian regulatory agency Anvisa, which refused to import the vaccine. -

Anvisa had "knowingly distributed false and inaccurate information" about the vaccine, wrote the Russian manufacturer on Thursday in the short message service Twitter. Anvisa justified the import refusal on Monday with a lack of data on safety and effectiveness.-

Sputnik V has not yet been approved in the EU, but the EU Medicines Agency (EMA) has already started a so-called rolling process for the approval of the vaccine. -

First report from 04/29/21 2:45 p.m .: Brasília - A Brazilian health regulator announced in a congressional hearing that the approval of the Russian corona vaccine Sputnik V by other countries does not mean that it meets Brazilian regulatory requirements. -

The reason for this is, on the one hand, that the agency commissioned with the examination did not receive enough data to approve the Sputnik V vaccine. In addition, every single batch of the Russian corona vaccine for which data was available still contained replication-competent adenovirus. -

The adenovirus vector vaccines are made by removing most of the adenovirus DNA information from the virus and replacing it with DNA to make coronavirus antigens. All adenovirus vector vaccines carry the DNA to make the coronavirus spike protein. Important parts of the original genome are removed so that they cannot replicate in the body. -

Because of this, the news that the Sputnik vaccine contains replicating adenovirus came as a surprise to many. Big problems in the vaccinated population are not to be feared, but it remains an unnecessary risk. -

This risk, of course, increases when such a vaccine is used in millions (or more) of people. In the eyes of the Brazilian government, it seems certain that some people could be harmed by this preventable problem. The rally in Brazil now calls into question the entire manufacturing and quality control process of the Russians. -

Cases of counterfeit corona vaccine from Biontech and Pfizer are becoming more and more common. Sputnik V is also affected.

[Rockstar]

U.S. officials pushed Brazil to reject Russia’s coronavirus vaccine, according to HHS report

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/16/hhs-brazil-sputnik-russia/

Buried deep in the dry, 72-page annual report of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services lay a startling admission: U.S. health officials under President Donald Trump worked to convince Brazil to reject Russia’s Sputnik V coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2) vaccine.

The document, released in January, drew little attention at first. But that changed on Monday when the official Twitter account for the Sputnik V vaccine posted a screenshot of the previously overlooked claim, citing a report by Brasil Wire (https://www.brasilwire.com/exclusive-washington-pressured-brazil-not-to-buy-malign-russian-vaccine/), and criticized the United States for effectively blocking Russia’s attempts at vaccine diplomacy.

...Initial skepticism toward Russia’s coronavirus vaccine was rooted in more than just politics: The shot was released before medical trials were complete (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russia-vaccine-sputnik-coronavirus-lancet/2021/02/08/18d8d55c-6571-11eb-bab8-707f8769d785_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_20). But it’s now been approved in more than a dozen countries. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/02/10/russia-sputnik-vaccine-underestimated/?itid=lk_inline_manual_20)A recent peer-review study in respected British medical journal the Lancet found that its efficacy was on par with the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. Combatting malign influences in the Americas, read page 48 HHS REPORT: https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/2020-annual-report.pdf

Seems Biden is following the Trump doctrine. Like Amtrak Joe told his donors. Nothing will fundementally change ;)


Makes me wonder whats really going on.

[d@rk51d3]

:dead:Sister and her husband have been living in India for a few years. Convinced them it would be prudent to return to Australia when it first broke out.
They were planning on returning soon, but I think they'll be here for quite a while yet.

They've already lost 3 friends this week, and the list looks to be growing.

Apparently, scammers are being caught selling "oxygen" bottles to the hospitals............. but they're turning out to be relabelled fire extinguishers.

[Mr Quatro]

I haven't been to church (in person) for a year now, but a friend of mine who is very active along with his wife have dropped out too.

No one is saying why just that they need to take care of each other. Probably Covid-19 and no one wants to scare the others.

I miss them, but singing and dancing doesn't interest me with this contagious disease going around.

Plenty of churches online with some good pastors live online too.

My local area is rural and they have not been rushing to get the shots ... so the county is now offering $25 gift certificates for anyone that shows up to get a shot.

I showed up along with a hundred more in line just to find out that I didn't qualify till I had waited 30 days after the first shot.

Oh well it was good to see so many show up even if they had to be paid.

I saw a cartoon with two well known comedians with one saying,

"I don't have any symptoms"

The other comedian says:

"That's one of the symptoms" :haha:

[Skybird]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/brazil-regulator-rejects-sputnik-vaccine-russia-cries-foul-77349025

More reporting on that the brazilians claim to have found active adeno virusses in Sputnik V that have the ability to replicate.

If that turns out to be true and is confirmed by other studies, its a neck-breaker for the Russian vaccine. Vector vaccines with active carrier viruses - das geht ja mal gar nicht.

I switch to standby mode. Before, the Russian vaccine was amongst those options I liked best.

[Skybird]

BionTech applies for approval from the EU for children aged 12 and over.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd5i3768Jnc

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4y1-gSj_U

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/jSgVhpY5/118282454-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-30apr-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/9D7NmNM5)

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgylurAiye4

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVo0pVC9Swk

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/sfN5BZ9q/118292188-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-01may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/t7FswJcN)

[Skybird]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/28/crime-against-humanity-arundhati-roy-india-covid-catastrophe

In reality, death numbers could be 30 times higher.

But they still hold religious mass gatherings, thousands shoulder to shoulder in crowded spaces.

Earlier this year, the government has given away huge reserves of vaccines to other countries, and for free.

Well.

[mapuc]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/28/crime-against-humanity-arundhati-roy-india-covid-catastrophe

In reality, death numbers could be 30 times higher.

But they still hold religious mass gatherings, thousands shoulder to shoulder in crowded spaces.

Earlier this year, the government has given away huge reserves of vaccines to other countries, and for free.

Well.

You also have to take B1617 into consideration. This mutation may be a lot more contagious and deadlier than the British, South African and the Brazilians ditto.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

More than 500 people admitted to hospital with coronavirus after getting vaccinated

More than 500 people who received their coronavirus jabs have been admitted to hospital with Covid-19, a UK study has found.

Researchers at Liverpool University said the patients had all received one dose of the vaccine at least three weeks before they were admitted.

They said the patients were largely frail and elderly, while the number of people who were hospitalised represented only around 1 per cent of the 52,000 people involved in the research.

The report warns: “Elderly and vulnerable people who had been shielding, may have inadvertently been exposed and infected either through the end-to-end process of vaccination, or shortly after vaccination through behavioural changes where they wrongly assume they are immune.”

The study found a total of 526 people were admitted to hospital and 113 people died in what the research team called “vaccine failures”.

But they noted the amount of failures were not surprising based on the results at trials.

Colin Semple, professor of outbreak medicine at Liverpool University and one of the study’s authors, told the Times: “People should not be surprised about some vaccine failure. It is what was predicted. It does result in tragedy.

“We are all talking about the statistics, but if it is your granny it is a tragedy for your family.”

The findings were published by the UK Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies.

The authors pointed out that during the period covered by the study, December 8 to March 10, 2021, vaccinations were heavily focused on older people.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/more-than-500-people-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-after-getting-vaccinated/ar-BB1gfMaA?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd96VTr5TDw

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQdKsLZjmaQ

[Moonlight]

Me thinks this China virus is not going to go away anytime soon, I reckon that the UK will have another virus wave shortly and, now that people are intermixing again possibly more after that as well. These virus science gurus will have to come up with a different plan to what they've been using which involves working around the virus instead of trying to isolate it to extinction.

Lockdowns are only half working as every day there are more virus positive cases around the country, if these mutations keep on happening there's a chance that a weaker strain will emerge victorious, but, there is also a chance that a real killer will emerge which will make the Black Death look like a bleeding monkeys tea party, time will tell eventually, that's if there is anyone left by then.

That was a broadcast by the Subsim "Half Glass Full Party" please post your donations to Subsim at the top right hand side of the page, bless you my child. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i195K2vYfnY

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIIylMJV7wQ

[Jimbuna]

The NHS would be ready to offer booster jabs from September, Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi says.

But there is no decision yet on whether to offer boosters to over-50s in the UK, he adds.

Two suspected Covid cases are recorded among the Indian delegation to a G7 meeting of foreign ministers in London.

India sees another record number of daily deaths, with 3,780 losing their lives to Covid-19

The UK records its lowest weekly number of deaths involving coronavirus since last September, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The UK pledges £29.3m extra funding to fast-track vaccines that fight new variants and boost testing facilities.

The rights of care home residents to have visits from loved ones must be underpinned by law, MPs say.

President Joe Biden sets out plans to vaccinate 70% of US adults by 4 July.

More than 40 cases of coronavirus have been linked to a school in Elgin, in the north of Scotland.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw6zqt-s2Ck

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koWZL_zUPU

[Jimbuna]

Italy is making a big push to attract tourists, dropping its quarantine requirement for visitors from 15 May. PM Mario Draghi has delivered a message to G20 tourism ministers that the time has come to book your holidays. The EU wants its green digital certificate to operate from June, but Mr Draghi wants the Italian pass ready from mid-May, and for foreign visitors too. Italy is opening gradually, and eating inside restaurants will be allowed from 1 June.

It’s liberation day in the Netherlands but most festivities have either been cancelled or are being held online. The national remembrance ceremony last night in Amsterdam was watched by 5.5 million people and today German Chancellor Angela Merkel will talk to Dutch students about freedom with Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

French authorities in the south coast region of Alpes-Maritimes have scrapped a rule requiring people to wear a mask in parks and around beaches and lakes. Wearing a mask is still required on the streets and nationally it’s compulsory outdoors.

Health workers in Kosovo will start having the Pfizer-Biontech vaccine today, after they largely refused to take the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine. Most recent figures suggest only 1% of Kosovo's population has been vaccinated and supplies are very low.

Spain’s football league and Catalan authorities are to investigate a barbecue held by Barcelona’s Lionel Messi for his teammates and their partners, to see if Covid rules were broken. Barcelona are currently second in La Liga and in the running to win it. You’re only allowed to have six people in your home but Barcelona insists they were all in the same bubble, so it will be health officials to decide whether rules were broken.

[AVGWarhawk]

A drug developed in Israel to cure COVID-19 was tested in a clinical trial on 30 patients suffering from the disease and reportedly cured 29 of the 30 people.

The trial, conducted at Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center, tested an experimental inhaled medication called EXO-CD24. The drug, developed by Ichilov, reportedly stops the “cytokine storm,” the body’s reaction to COVID-19 in which the immune system reacts by savaging healthy cells.




https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-israeli-drugs-may-cure-covid-successful-in-clinical-trials?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwbrand&fbclid=IwAR0S3VjFdTWntpu2MS8lmPJnrg2Vgyx4khMR-0976FAiQayfG873dUlz4rE

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh_3JrODNxY

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1KIZpFIrAk

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYv30g7TKVM

[Jimbuna]

Second jab sorted.

https://i.postimg.cc/nr7X1RbC/IMG-3398.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Mr Quatro]

You guys drive on the wrong side of the road and now you put your dates backwards too? :hmmm:

Your date above reads DATE VACCINE GIVEN 6/5/21

Which in our country reads June 5th 2021 :haha:

Means it hasn't happened yet :o

[Skybird]

DD.MM.YYYY in Germany, Austria, Switzerland. Just the written names of months vary sometimes between the three (Januar - Jänner).

[mapuc]

^ Same in Scandinavia.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ And that's how it should be internationally.
But for us too logical Europeans we have to go back and have to differentiate between imperial and US gallons, inches, feet, fathoms..

Always liked that: An introduction to the english system of currency by Terry Pratchett:

“NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS [and European Continentals i might add]:

One shilling = Five Pee.
Two farthings = One Ha'penny.
Two ha'pennies = One Penny.
Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit.
Two Thrupences = A Sixpence.
Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob.
Two Bob = A Florin.
One Florin and One Sixpence = Half a Crown.
Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note.
Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies).
Once Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea.

The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated.”

Same for dates, time, units of all kinds, and same reason for rejecting the Euro i guess.

[August]

To all you folks getting these shots, do you think you should pick your personal injury lawyers now maybe with a retainer, or wait until the side effects hit and hope get in on a class action suit later on? :D

[MaDef]

To all you folks getting these shots, do you think you should pick your personal injury lawyers now maybe with a retainer, or wait until the side effects hit and hope get in on a class action suit later on? :D?? If you're talking about the J&J vaccine, I'm not a woman, so worst case scenario would have been anaphylactic shock due to an unknown allergy.

[August]

?? If you're talking about the J&J vaccine, I'm not a woman, so worst case scenario would have been anaphylactic shock due to an unknown allergy.




Yeah that's what they are claiming now. What about in 5 or 10 years when they find out it also causes cancer or something else equally horrible? Ask any Gulf War vet about the unknown side effects of vaccination.

[Mr Quatro]

Yeah that's what they are claiming now. What about in 5 or 10 years when they find out it also causes cancer or something else equally horrible? Ask any Gulf War vet about the unknown side effects of vaccination.

There you go again August :yep:

Oddball said it best in the movie "Kelly's Hero's" :up:

"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig
how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and
hopeful for a change?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncbEucjsNFU

[Reece]

I so loved that movie and especially Donald Sutherland's part, one cool dude. :up:

[MaDef]

Yeah that's what they are claiming now. What about in 5 or 10 years when they find out it also causes cancer or something else equally horrible? Ask any Gulf War vet about the unknown side effects of vaccination.

I live in California, according to them everything causes cancer. :rolleyes:

WARNING: This product can expose you to chemicals including arsenic, which is known to the State of California to cause cancer. For more information, go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.”

[August]

Well we shall see either way right? The drugs that you all have taken did not exist this time last year so nobody can know what the long term side effects will be. As we see with other drugs it can take years before they show up.



But regardless there's no way to undo the shot once you've got it, so if it does cause your noses to fall off or some other physical misery someday then that is now in your future, regardless of how seriously you may consider the possibility today.


I may eventually end up being forced to join your ranks but i'm going to roll this natural immunity for now.

[Jimbuna]

You guys drive on the wrong side of the road and now you put your dates backwards too? :hmmm:

Your date above reads DATE VACCINE GIVEN 6/5/21

Which in our country reads June 5th 2021 :haha:

Means it hasn't happened yet :o

Best you make no reference to international time being behind GMT on your side of the pond then :03:

[Jimbuna]

No idea how accurate this is but pray God let it be wrong.

New Study Estimates More Than 900,000 People Have Died Of COVID-19 In U.S.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/05/06/994287048/new-study-estimates-more-than-900-000-people-have-died-of-covid-19-in-u-s?&t=1620386268794

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/Gmh7zQCm/118397695-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-06may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/fJpfRYyG)

[Skybird]

In a U-turn, Biden now supports a waiving of vaccine patents.

The US is an importing champion, depending on external exporters, namely China and India, delivering key products and ressources, from precious earths to medications and supplies for producing meds in US factories. Biden wants these economies coming up to terms again so that the US importing demands are no longer limited or under threat of collapsing (India, china).

The US also does not export vaccines, nor does it export ingredients for vaccines, a full ban for example to Europe and Germany is in place, threatening plans in Germany to produce additional vaccines like Curevac. Without productioin supplies form the US, this is not possible, and these supplies are ebign denied.

I am strictly against this idea. It rapes market logic, opens the door for further furture business expropriations, and brings in big state and planned economy.

It does not do anything for other countries to produce vaccines, because most do not have the needed knowhow and infrastructure anyway. And making vaccines is a tricky task. Even in the first world, producing them means to every couple of times creating a batch of vaccines that must be thrown away, because it is erratic.

It also betrays the producers, and threatens their willingness for future cooperation and future development - namely cost-intensive development of new antibiotics, and others. Why should they invest in these billions-costing projects when they must always live with the threat that the state once again steals the fruits of their investements in the name of a higher cause? Socialism also commits its crimes all in the name of the higher cause.

And many states now demanding to be given stuff for free: that now they have no money and organization often is due to corrupt home politlical structures, dysfunctional economic home structures, and incapability and unwillingness of own elites. I do not see why they should be given a free bail out from things they have to accept own responsibility for. Maybe stop investing into big wars and military shopping tours and even coinquest and terror - and instead into things of real importance?

Biden wants the wrong thing for the wrong reasons about which he does not tell the full truth. But the real reasons are national sefishness anyway. Has nothing to do with lovingly embracing a suffering world.

But people who have since years and years been brainwashed into the mental attitude of a teddybear of course love to believe that.

The EU's Super-Uschi also now wants it - just a very short time ago she has rejected any such demands with bitter determination. She has sniffed the scent of the times in the changing wind and sees a chance here to repair her damaged reputation by pleasing populistic demands. That it comes at the cost of certain parts of the industry having to face the blow from her PR campaign, just is typical for her behaviour's established record: saving her neck at the expense of all others and the institution's disadvantage. The longtemr consequence of the affected onduistry maybe not beign motivated anymore to invest into desperately needed research into new antibiotics, is being completely ignored both by Biden and Super-Uschji. And the WHO. And that could terribly backfire.

[3catcircus]

No idea how accurate this is but pray God let it be wrong.

It's NPR. You can safely ignore it.

[3catcircus]

In a U-turn, Biden now supports a waiving of vaccine patents.

The US is an importing champion, depending on external exporters, namely China and India, delivering key products and ressources, from precious earths to medications and supplies for producing meds in US factories. Biden wants these economies coming up to terms again so that the US importing demands are no longer limited or under threat of collapsing (India, china).

The US also does not export vaccines, nor does it export ingredients for vaccines, a full ban for example to Europe and Germany is in place, threatening plans in Germany to produce additional vaccines like Curevac. Without productioin supplies form the US, this is not possible, and these supplies are ebign denied.

I am strictly against this idea. It rapes market logic, opens the door for further furture business expropriations, and brings in big state and planned economy.

It does not do anything for other countries to produce vaccines, because most do not have the needed knowhow and infrastructure anyway. And making vaccines is a tricky task. Even in the first world, producing them means to every couple of times creating a batch of vaccines that must be thrown away, because it is erratic.

It also betrays the producers, and threatens their willingness for future cooperation and future development - namely cost-intensive development of new antibiotics, and others. Why should they invest in these billions-costing projects when they must always live with the threat that the state once again steals the fruits of their investements in the name of a higher cause? Socialism also commits its crimes all in the name of the higher cause.

And many states now demanding to be given stuff for free: that now they have no money and organization often is due to corrupt home politlical structures, dysfunctional economic home structures, and incapability and unwillingness of own elites. I do not see why they should be given a free bail out from things they have to accept own responsibility for. Maybe stop investing into big wars and military shopping tours and even coinquest and terror - and instead into things of real importance?

Biden wants the wrong thing for the wrong reasons about which he does not tell the full truth. But the real reasons are national sefishness anyway. Has nothing to do with lovingly embracing a suffering world.

But people who have since years and years been brainwashed into the mental attitude of a teddybear of course love to believe that.

The EU's Super-Uschi also now wants it - just a very short time ago she has rejected any such demands with bitter determination. She has sniffed the scent of the times in the changing wind and sees a chance here to repair her damaged reputation by pleasing populistic demands. That it comes at the cost of certain parts of the industry having to face the blow from her PR campaign, just is typical for her behaviour's established record: saving her neck at the expense of all others and the institution's disadvantage. The longtemr consequence of the affected onduistry maybe not beign motivated anymore to invest into desperately needed research into new antibiotics, is being completely ignored both by Biden and Super-Uschji. And the WHO. And that could terribly backfire.

Biden is a dementia patient. What did you expect other than him being a sock puppet for communists and globalists?

[Mr Quatro]

No idea how accurate this is but pray God let it be wrong.

Probably just click bait, but I still can't figure out how India can be so bad and hide the real numbers at the same time.

[Jimbuna]

Probably just click bait, but I still can't figure out how India can be so bad and hide the real numbers at the same time.

One cannot begin to imagine what the true figures in China might look like.

[Jimbuna]

Germany has voiced opposition to a US-backed proposal to waive patents on Covid-19 vaccines, saying they were not hindering production of the jabs.

Its government said "the protection of intellectual property is a source of innovation and must remain so".

The European Union earlier said it was ready to talk about the proposal, and some states gave it their full backing.

Supporters of the plan say it will allow more manufactures to produce the life-saving vaccines.

They argue that this will increase access to jabs in poorer countries.

But opponents, including drug makers, say it may not have the desired effect.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+campbell

[mapuc]

China would not hesitate to understate the real number of death to Covid-19

India on the other hand is not suffering from some political disease, they have not enough, don't know what I shall call it, so the exact number of death to Covid-19 is unknown

I see it daily where my friends compare number of citizens who have died with or off Covid-19 with other years before.

They seem to forget one thing..despite there are people who die due to this Corona virus, there are also people who die from other things.

Sweden had last year a excess mortality in relation to, was it 2016 or 2018.

A huge majority of those who die did it because of some other underlying
sickness-No one know how many of these would been alive today...if Corona wasn't a reality.



Markus

[Jimbuna]

The biggest flaw in the UK death statistics is the fact that anyone having been diagnosed with Covid up to 28 days prior to their death is counted as a Covid fatality.

An example would be someone diagnosed positive then a few days later dying in some form of accident....the result is a Covid death.

[mapuc]

Same here. A few month ago a man was tested positive an about one week later he died in a Motorcycle accident. Cause of death Covid-19

Later it was changed to died with Corona. A majority who die and are positive died with corona not off Corona.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Dont ever let a manufactured crisis go to waste.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/NfGWFT0m/99789712-01.png (https://postimg.cc/Cdtv6Rkx)

[mapuc]

Dont ever let a manufactured crisis go to waste.

Do you mean that the Chinese had planned this (Creating this virus)?

Or is it a global conspiracy

If latter, how could this be archieved ?
We have a free press who would sell their soul to get a story with something like that.

Markus

[August]

We have a free press...


Do we really Markus? Because all I see in the media these days is the official corporate government line. Anything else has been dismissed by the media as ridiculous conspiracy theories and their proponents continue to be de-platformed and silenced. That don't sound free to me.

[Catfish]

In capitalism "free" press means it prints what the people want to hear because there's more MONEY in it, and this is true for all political sides.
In communism "free" press means publishing only what one political party wants the people to hear, and believe.

Nothing of both has to do anything with reporting reality, or the truth.

[mapuc]

I mean free as in not being controlled by the government like in North Korea and China.

Depending on a persons standpoint s/he believe or disbelieve what is written in a newspaper.

But I still wonder how a world wide conspiracy could be archieved.

I could understand if KJU pull this in his country..the entire world with a free press in the West(democratic countries)

Reading all this among my friends have given me ideas on a sci-fi books, where the world leaders agree on creating and releasing a virus and taking control over the free press.

Markus

[Catfish]

The press in the west is not controlled by one political party alone. They usually have an agenda and then let themselves pay by the organisations that suit their bias most [/cynism]
Or the the political organisations found and finance the press branches that support their views, like with Fox News and Breitbart etc.
The neutral or more reasonable press has recently run into problems, people are so divided and full of hate that no one wants to read or listen to neutral reasonable publishing, they are damned and bedeviled from all the extreme sides.

Of course the western press is more free to publish what it wants, much different than compared to e.g. North Korea.
But what the western press wants is money, thus spreading the influence and politics and desinformation their sponsors, or owners, want them to spread.

You have to read a lot all over the spectrum to get a glimpse, but usually reasonable thinking makes you see what is really going on.

[mapuc]

This article made me remember what I wrote a few times in this thread

The molecule being tested is a bespoke antiviral codenamed PF 07321332. Classed as a "protease inhibitor", it has been formulated to attack the "spine" of the SARS-Cov-2 virus and stop it replicating in our noses, throats and lungs. It was protease inhibitors that turned the tide on the spread of HIV in the UK and around the world. Now researchers hope they may be on the brink of a similar pandemic-busting breakthrough.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/revealed-home-cure-covid-could-available-year/

I wrote that in the future we will be given pills instead of getting two syringer per year.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Do we really Markus? Because all I see in the media these days is the official corporate government line. Anything else has been dismissed by the media as ridiculous conspiracy theories and their proponents continue to be de-platformed and silenced. That don't sound free to me.

All news agencies have this little teletype ding ding ding thing in their rooms

So in reality they all get the major news stories from the same source. After that they put a twist on it with Google and Bing and Microsoft and Yahoo adding the click bait.

The Associated Press (AP) is an American non-profit news agency headquartered in New York City. Founded in 1846, it operates as a cooperative, unincorporated association. ... By 2016, news collected by the AP was published and republished by more than 1,300 newspapers and broadcasters.

[d@rk51d3]

I mean free as in not being controlled by the government like in North Korea and China.



You may be surprised.

I'm certain you'll find that those in China and NK are all convinced they're free and uncontrolled too.

Here in Australia, sweeping "reforms" about 12-18 months ago made it so that any news outlet that doesn't tow the party line is censored and blocked from publication or web distribution.

The only news we get today is "state approved".

[Buddahaid]

Wrong thread. delete.

[3catcircus]

You may be surprised.

I'm certain you'll find that those in China and NK are all convinced they're free and uncontrolled too.

Here in Australia, sweeping "reforms" about 12-18 months ago made it so that any news outlet that doesn't tow the party line is censored and blocked from publication or web distribution.

The only news we get today is "state approved".

I think that NZ is even worse then Aus, in that regard. The fact that they made it punishable to show or share the Muslim massacre video is unconscionable. No matter how horrific, people need to see the truth.

Whether that truth is people dying in droves in hospital, or hospitals that are empty. We've seen reports of people being prosecuted for undercover video showing that "overwhelmed" hospitals were quiet as a church mouse. We've seen people censored for questioning, as discussed here, why you would report a death from motorcycle crash as caused by covid.

Why the sudden push to report on India? As cold-blooded as this sounds, 200k deaths is *nothing* in a population of 1.3bn people.

I expect that when we look back in a few years, we'll realize most of this was political and health theater to cover up the fact that Fauci ensured that the NIAID funded the Wuhan virology institute to perform tests to modify spike proteins to make a coronavirus more infective to humans in a gain of function experiment and it escaped the lab because they were working in BSL2 conditions - and the covering up of the complete lack of preparedness and general incompetence of governments in response to it.

Even questioning why existing drugs were not recommended for use (or outright forbidden) by governments is taboo. Yeah, why *should* we try and use antivirals on a virus, with antibiotics to prevent subsequent opportunistic bacterial pneumonia?

I especially love seeing when the FDA breathlessly reports that HCQ and Ivermectin are unapproved uses to treat covid (despite evidence from other countries that it may work) but has no comment on the use of experimental vaccines...

The worst part is the general way in which people are expected to stay home until they are on death's door rather than trying out the ivermectin or hcq/zinc/azithromycin at the first signs of infection. No other disease elicits this response from the medical establishment. "Oh you've got this very treatable type of cancer and we caught it early. Come back for treatment when you're at stage 4."

[Skybird]

The EU has finalized a treaty in ink and paper with Biontech and Pfizer over 900 billion additional doses and an option for another 900 billion doses. The price has been leaked, it is around 19,50 Euros per dose.

Finally we are talking solid matters. Took long enough.

While in germany the vaccination campaign gains speed and momentum from week to week and really is at acceptable speed now, the government already ONCE AGAIN has slept and missed the timing to get the homework done on the digital vaccination passport/certificate. Unbeleivable, they are sleeping and slpeeing and sleepiong and always get out of the starting block too late, every single time. What is "bräsig" in English?

[Skybird]

Several of the EU's heads of states imply that Biden's initiative for waiving patents is only tactical, to distract from the fact that the US bans almost all exports of vaccines and needed supplies for vaccine production - while Europe is the by far biggest exporter of vaccines globally. It is also feared that technical know-how on producing mRNA vaccines could end up in China, via third party countries.

[Rockstar]

What does is brasig in english?

Maybe 'Cold-eyed'?


having or showing a lack of friendliness or interest in others.

[3catcircus]

The EU has finalized a treaty in ink and paper with Biontech and Pfizer over 900 billion additional doses and an option for another 900 billion doses. The price has been leaked, it is around 19,50 Euros per dose.

Finally we are talking solid matters. Took long enough.

While in germany the vaccination campaign gains speed and momentum from week to week and really is at acceptable speed now, the government already ONCE AGAIN has slept and missed the timing to get the homework done on the digital vaccination passport/certificate. Unbeleivable, they are sleeping and slpeeing and sleepiong and always get out of the starting block too late, every single time. What is "bräsig" in English?

Vaccine passports = "Papers, please!". Something the former Germany (both WW2 and Cold War DDR) and every other communist dictatorship abuses to control it's citizens . You should be protesting in the streets even the idea of vaccine passports.

[Skybird]

^ I roll my eyes over your far-fetched comparisons and leave it to that. BTW, I have lived long enough to have experienced the GDR and to have a living memory of its border regimes and so forth.
-----
Does not happen often that I agree with this flying Frenchman called Macronman, but he gave Biden the best and deserved return so far.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57039362

[Mr Quatro]

The EU has finalized a treaty in ink and paper with Biontech and Pfizer over 900 billion additional doses and an option for another 900 billion doses. The price has been leaked, it is around 19,50 Euros per dose.

Finally we are talking solid matters. Took long enough.


I wonder how many whores it took to get it passed? :hmmm::haha:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKcoK2qmBak

[Jimbuna]

French President Emmanuel Macron has called on the US to drop its restrictions on the export of Covid-19 vaccines and ingredients.

His words came as a divide emerged between parts of Europe and the US over how best to increase global vaccine production.

Currently, around 1.25bn doses have been administered around the world.

However, less than 1% have been given to the world's 29 poorest countries, according to news agency AFP.

Rich countries, by contrast, are speeding up their vaccination campaigns. In the UK , 67% of the population has received a first dose and in the US 56% of those eligible have had one jab.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57039362

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/CLTnty4v/E0w-J5xb-Xs-AITXa-D.png (https://postimg.cc/Wt84FHCr)

[mapuc]

Just to reply your response to my comments

Sorry friends I truly thought that your press was free. Free to write what they see fit or what they think their reader may find interesting.

Yes even our own press here in Denmark and Sweden are under some regulations otherwise they can write about anything they want.

If a Danish or a Swedish newspaper wants to write an article on this subject that this Corona pandemic is a hoax they, what I understand, can.

Back to our discussion about this Corona pandemic-Which is REAL.

Markus

[Skybird]

I wonder how many whores it took to get it passed? :hmmm::haha:
With Jean-Claude Juncker off duty they at least saved in money for the drinks.

[Jeff-Groves]

Just to reply your response to my comments

Sorry friends I truly thought that your press was free. Free to write what they see fit or what they think their reader may find interesting.

Yeah.
That would probably explain why We were NOT told about the U-Boot attacks off the shores of our coast a long time ago.
Guess it just wasn't interesting enough.
:o

[Jimbuna]

With Jean-Claude Juncker off duty they at least saved in money for the drinks.

:haha:

[Catfish]

With Jean-Claude Juncker off duty they at least saved in money for the drinks.
:haha:
I have to second that :D

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7esQMHorsyU

[Skybird]

The EU Commission will not extend the contract with the vaccine manufacturer Astrazeneca, which expires in June, Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton announced on Sunday. The European Union is currently in legal dispute with Astrazeneca due to delivery delays.

[Moonlight]

Me thinks there are more countries doing this research than we realise, you'll not find out which countries are doing this research though (unless there's a leak) due to National Security concerns, (which literally means keep your bleeding nose out you plebs or you'll get it smashed in. :haha:

The "we know best" bollocks by your politicians was wearing thin with me a long time ago, I wonder how many people have been secretly imprisoned or assassinated to keep "World War XYZ" a secret by your baby kissing jerk off leaders just to keep secrets Secret.
You won't get any reporter asking questions like that though as they've all been pissing in the same pot for decades. :o

WORLD WAR FLU China ‘probed WEAPONISING coronaviruses five years before Covid outbreak & predicted WW3 fought with bio-weapons’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14884970/china-coronavirus-weapon-covid-pandemic/

[Skybird]

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article230889185/Wir-raten-Angehoerigen-mit-Querdenkern-nicht-zu-diskutieren.html

[Skybird]

France 24 yesterday:

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210508-covid-19-eu-seals-deal-for-extra-1-8-billion-biontech-pfizer-shots

No word on Macronman. The deal is signed, media today (again) report all over the place.

[Catfish]

Positive, true or self-evident news do not find their way into the media you read, you should concentrate more on The Sun or Fox News. :arrgh!:

[Skybird]

Oh, the video was right, Die Welt indeed had a story (now behind paywall) two days ago saying that Macronman tried to stop the EU from flying.

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/plus230928345/Kampf-gegen-Corona-Frankreich-blockiert-neue-Impfstoff-Bestellung-der-EU.html

He probably wanted to secure for France tehcncial Biontech knowhow for producing mRNA vaccines, after they messed up their own vaccine development, and demanded concessions: a classical "diplomatic" blackmail. And who knows, maybe he got them. After all, France always has sought hegemony in the EU region and have Germany paying for it because France is economically too weak to fill its glorious past-oriented megalomania with financial muscles and economic bones by itself. To have the French pharmaceutical industry not playing in the league of of first ranked players when it comes to producing the vaccine really itches the French ego. Thats why he supported the devalidation of patents for Corona vaccines - so that French producers could benefit. Stealing knowhow and not calling it that, thats how I call it.

Germans are extremely vulnerable to get sacked by France again and again. The socialisation of national debts in the EU also is something that France and Macorn always wanted, and now get. Because the French finances are a smoking ruin and the top rated threat to the Euro - not Greece, not Italy: its about France. It has always been. Brussels speaks predominantely French, is extremely francophile oriented. As a people, I like the French. As a political actor and nation of the diplomatic stage, I do not trust them further than I trust Russia or China - means: NOT AT ALL. I do not share the popular clichées of French military cowardice, that is total nonsense, but I see political France as extremely underhanded, politically.

[Jimbuna]

Oh, the video was right, Die Welt indeed had a story (now behind paywall) two days ago saying that Macronman tried to stop the EU from flying.

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/plus230928345/Kampf-gegen-Corona-Frankreich-blockiert-neue-Impfstoff-Bestellung-der-EU.html

He probably wanted to secure for France tehcncial Biontech knowhow for producing mRNA vaccines, after they messed up their own vaccine development, and demanded concessions: a classical "diplomatic" blackmail. And who knows, maybe he got them. After all, France always has sought hegemony in the EU region and have Germany paying for it because France is economically too weak to fill its glorious past-oriented megalomania with financial muscles and economic bones by itself. To have the French pharmaceutical industry not playing in the league of of first ranked players when it comes to producing the vaccine really itches the French ego. Thats why he supported the devalidation of patents for Corona vaccines - so that French producers could benefit. Stealing knowhow and not calling it that, thats how I call it.

Germans are extremely vulnerable to get sacked by France again and again. The socialisation of national debts in the EU also is something that France and Macorn always wanted, and now get. Because the French finances are a smoking ruin and the top rated threat to the Euro - not Greece, not Italy: its about France. It has always been. Brussels speaks predominantely French, is extremely francophile oriented. As a people, I like the French. As a political actor and nation of the diplomatic stage, I do not trust them further than I trust Russia or China - means: NOT AT ALL. I do not share the popular clichées of French military cowardice, that is total nonsense, but I see political France as extremely underhanded, politically.

And to think...not everything from questionable (by some individual opinions) sources are always lies or made up.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2746830&postcount=7140

[Skybird]

As I said before, those videos, imo most likely form Russian sources, are quite clever in their propaganda, becasue the avoid obvious lies that easily could be pointed out, instead bas eof real true stories. Its not the content per se but the style in which they get presented and by which they raise the wanted emotions by which they acchieve their propagandsitic effect. The appeal not to the intellect (the intellect would fight in vain here because there is no obvious lie beign told), they appeal to sentiments - and reinforce them.

[Catfish]

They grab a tiny piece of an event or quote, and build an "emotional conspiracy" on that.

Interesting however that the creators of said videos cannot be located or named, there is no impressum and no one to take responsibility, and no trusted source. It is not a private opinion piece or venture, they use a literal "false flag" (the Union Jack) to pretend accountability or some legal organisation. I wonder how and why Google allows that. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9288567?hl=en

I mean i could publish something about hate mails that Merkel received, and build an attempted murder case out of that, inciting violent reaction. This is yellow press on steroids, anonimously.

Those videos are relatively primitive, but: It’s Getting Harder to Spot a Deep Fake Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw)


Also this: YouTube as political influencer (https://www.technewsworld.com/story/86188.html)

[Skybird]

Even more clever, Catfish, they do not even distort things or blow them up - they just endlessly repeat them. They are true, and often the context described is true as well. You cannot pinpoint a specific untruth in it. But the world revolves not just around this one detail. But they focus on it as if it does. By that they increase its apparent relevance, or extend its longevity. And so it sinks into people's minds.

Sometimes the repetition in just one 3 minute video is too much, and then it springs to the eye a bit. But else these videos are done by somebody who nows what he is doing, and with an economic use of his maybe limited ressources.

I assume it is a private pro-Russian circle maybe with sponsoring Russian state/intel support. But if the the Russian intel would be exclusively own the authorship here, I am very certain that we would not see these minor hickups in the craftsmanship of these videos (synthetized robot voice, too many repetitions, names pronounced wrong). They would be doing it without us being able to so easily spot the suspicious hints.

Or they want people to recongise the Russian origin. To keep the debate hot and spinning, and situations in countries therefore destabilising. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtRJLRRnpU

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAtjT67c_ow

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson has set out the next stage of lockdown easing for England
Pubs and restaurants can serve people inside from next Monday.

Galleries, theatres, cinemas and soft play centres can also reopen.

Hugging will be allowed but people should consider the vulnerabilities of their loved ones, he says.

People will be able to meet inside in groups of six, or two households.

Up to 30 people will be allowed to attend weddings, receptions, funerals and wakes.

The UK chief medical officers earlier lowered the Covid-19 alert level from four to three.

Zero coronavirus deaths were announced in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland on Monday.

Restrictions are also being eased across Europe, including in Ireland and Spain.

[mapuc]

Understatement in number of death to this Corona virus.

From what I understand, by watching the news there has been an underestimation in reporting the number of death.

In an interview on CNN a known person, but which name is forgotten by me, said that the real number in US could be 900.000 death.

Is this been done on purpose if so WHY ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/j2r2L8yh/f3957f55-196e-4012-8ad4-7068297148ba.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/SKBNvZ1p/002f5cd8-8503-45bc-9199-d399a13c0f31.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

In Bavaria, the first beer gardens are allowed to open.

Or in plain German: all will be good. :)

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/VkDC5g3X/118463456-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-11may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/bZSJBxYv)

[Skybird]

Der Spiegel writes:


"The World Health Organization (WHO) and governments around the world reacted too slowly to the first warning signs of a possible health threat in the past year. This is the conclusion drawn by an independent commission of experts appointed by the WHO in a report presented in Geneva on Wednesday. "The Commission has come to the conclusion that the system as it currently exists is not suitable to prevent a pandemic from developing with a new and highly contagious pathogen that could emerge at any moment," the report says. The pandemic, with its terrible effects, "could have been prevented".

At the end of December 2019, China reported the accumulation of an unknown lung disease in Wuhan. The WHO only declared an "emergency of international concern," the highest possible level of alert, on January 30th. This obliges countries to take precautions. The WHO only spoke of a pandemic on March 11th. According to the WHO health regulations, unlike the declaration of the "emergency", this actually has no consequences. In retrospect, however, that was just the psychologically necessary boost to properly put governments on alert. Many countries would have wasted the month of February 2020 instead of taking precautions against the spread of the virus."

[Moonlight]

Der Spiegel writes:
"The World Health Organization (WHO) and governments around the world reacted too slowly to the first warning signs of a possible health threat in the past year.
Here we go again, every government getting blamed except the right one, it was all China's fault for withholding the data in the first place, add on the collusion by top level (WHO) officials and the epidemic took it's natural course and turned itself into a pandemic.
This is not the conclusion drawn up by an independent commission of experts appointed by the (WHO), it's drawn up by little old me, any talk of shifting the blame from the two real perpetrators of this crime against humanity should be stamped out with a military rifle butt to the head. :O:

[Skybird]

Its all three factors being true, moonlight. China'snotorious lying and cheating (by< now their most outspoken national characteristic), the WHO's corrupted servility towards China sinc echina bought it into its pockets (another contemporary hobby of China) , and national government's indifference and not wanting to take serious what appeared to be a major desaster: "I dont believe its true and so it cannot be true. Go away, fate!"

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zSSD1KQwi4

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyHkLfWLPFw

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PGGU4RYyAg

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/WbNjsqkJ/maru-is-like-that.png (https://postimg.cc/z3c4jBpJ)

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zSSD1KQwi4
Compare.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1434931/astrazeneca-vaccine-eu-vaccines-lawsuit-Germany-winter-boosters-Jens-Spahn


Nothing on that in german media, btw. At leasts nothing I could find.

[Skybird]

Norway follows advice of its national expert commission and completely abandons the vaccination with AstraZeneca immediately and forever.

[Jimbuna]

One thing the EU may want to keep in mind is....don't burn your bridges, you never know when you may want to cross them again.

[Skybird]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01115-6/fulltext


Anyone who receives two different corona vaccines for their first and second vaccination has an increased likelihood of mild and moderate side effects after the second dose. However, this does not give rise to concern about patient safety, emphasized the scientists. How well the vaccine combinations protect is also examined in the study. However, data on this are only expected later.

The study initially included 830 volunteers who were at least 50 years old. Participants either received a first dose of AstraZeneca followed by a dose of Biontech or vice versa. In addition, there were two groups that received either AstraZeneca twice or Biontech twice. In addition, the vaccinations were given at various intervals of either four or twelve weeks.

According to the latest publication, the incidence of mild to moderate side effects was increased in those participants who received two different vaccines in any order. This refers to various symptoms that are also known from a severe cold or flu: high temperature or fever, headache and body aches, chills, exhaustion, feeling sick. None of the participants had to go to hospital because of these complaints. All symptoms resolved quickly and without complications.

[Mr Quatro]

Heard a rumor that the effects of the Covid-19 virus shot (like sore arm etc) are signs that the Vaccine is working. :yep:

Heard another rumor (again these are not able to follow up) that the shot is more effective on men than it is on women.

even if you could follow up these rumors ... what news media can you trust now days :o

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFcF2ppAeR4

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/bdfSNsrs/118496565-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-13may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/bSLwmYQh)

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_JV7pYNPc

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/PJ8CYVMR/118509649-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-14may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/64t6N0gr)

[Skybird]

Heard a rumor that the effects of the Covid-19 virus shot (like sore arm etc) are signs that the Vaccine is working. :yep:

Thats not just "rumour", but fact, you see this in varying intensity levels in practically all vaccines, even if these effects are so minor that they escape the awareness. But on the physiological and metabological level they are always there.



Note that The Lancet says (I linked it two days ago) that if two different vaccines get mixed for first and second jab, lets say AZ and B/P, they found that slightly more serious sideeffects can show after the second jab. Whether mixed jabs give some better or the same protection than two similiar jabs, they still evaluate.

[Onkel Neal]

I don't need to social distance or mask up, I'm vaccinated. You may need me to social distance or mask up. ;)

I suggest you get vaccinated or social distance and mask up.

.


As usual, I'm a little ahead of the curve ;)

CDC says people fully vaccinated against COVID-19 can shed masks in most indoor settings (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guideline-mask-vaccinated-covid-19-indoor/)
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.
.

[Jimbuna]

People are being urged by scientists and public health experts to take a cautious approach when lockdown restrictions ease.

The British Medical Association has raised concerns about the decision to press ahead with the easing of measures on Monday.

Cases of the Indian Covid variant have nearly tripled in the past week in England, according to official figures.

The Army is to be deployed in north-west England to help with surge testing where cases of the variant are rising sharply.

Extra testing is already taking place in targeted areas across England, including Bolton, Blackburn and London.

Health minister Edward Argar says there has been a "minor increase" in hospital presentations in Bolton.

Second doses are being speeded-up for older age groups in affected areas.

Police in Glasgow have urged Rangers football fans to disperse and follow Covid measures after crowds poured onto the streets.

More than 20,000 football fans in England will attend today's FA Cup final at Wembley - the largest crowd at the government's pilot events so far.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO6oSJbBwbE

[mapuc]

In the beginning of this pandemic many of my friends and even myself said or was convinced that Corona virus wasn't so much more dangerous than the ordinary influenza.

Some hours ago I went through the number of death related to the influenza in Denmark, from 2016 and up to 2020. Nowhere does the number of death due to influenza excess the number of death to Corona virus.

Even though Denmark have had Corona virus since January-February last year 2020.

Total death related to Corona virus in Denmark is 2499.

Markus

[Skybird]

The son of the door-to-door neighbours of my parents is a professional cook. He became ill by Corona, had a modest case, was in hopsital for some days for closer observation, but never was in critical condition or under threat to got into an ICU and fight for his life. But he got long Covid. For five months now. He cannot smell or taste.

For a cook that is an utmost desaster. He is loosing hope to ever regain his senses, although he tries to stimulate his damaged nervous cells in the brain and nose every day. My Mum said his parents told them that eating for him has become a hellish pain and a source of despair, because he does not taste anything. The absence of anything is where the pain for him lies in. After all, he is - he was? - a cook.

After five months, hope is fading. Being a cook was his heart's wish to become as a profession.

It must not always be about life or death. There are so many other health problems leading to tragedies and dramas caused by this virus.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZpBJ1LhQto

[Jimbuna]

The UK has "increasing confidence" that Covid-19 vaccines work against the Indian variant of the virus, the health secretary has said.

Scientists believe that the variant is more transmissible and cases of it nearly tripled to 1,313 in the past week in England.

But Matt Hancock said early lab data showed vaccines remained effective.

He said the majority of those in hospital in Bolton - a hotspot for the Indian variant - were unvaccinated.

More than 20 million people in the UK have now had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine, according to the latest government figures.

A further four people have died within 28 days of testing positive for the virus, and another 1,926 new infections have been recorded.

The health secretary said that the Indian variant, known as B.1.617.2, was "relatively widespread in small numbers" in most of the country.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57134181

[Jimbuna]

Singapore's health ministry has confirmed 38 locally-transmitted Covid cases, the highest daily number since mid-September - the city-state has placed strict curbs on gatherings.

Coronavirus restrictions on transportation and commercial activities are being eased in Pakistan, which introduced curbs for a week to stem the spread of the virus during Eid.

Over the past 24 hours, Russia has officially recorded 8,554 new Covid cases, down from 8,790 the previous day. There were 391 deaths, up from 364, BBC Monitoring said.

Mainland China reported 18 new Covid infections on 15 May, up from 14 a day earlier, the national health authority said on Sunday.

The president of Taiwan, Tsai Ing-wen, has urged people not to panic buy after the island introduced its toughest ever coronavirus restrictions.

Germany's government has re-classified the UK as a Covid risk region after the emergence of the Indian virus variant - it will not change much for travellers arriving in Germany from the UK

https://i.postimg.cc/dtyzvCRJ/118527469-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-16may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/3d3LFdbq)

[Skybird]

New lab findings from Germany show that AZ and J&J vaccines are not as effective against the Southafrican mutation as the two mRNA vaccines by BionTech/Pfizer and Moderna.

German experts assume that vaccination as of today provide immuny for not longer than around 6 months. But that firsat vaccination already, after four weeks, redcues chances for gettiugn infected by around 80%. Booster jabs are expected to be rolled in from early 2022 on.

[mapuc]

I fear it will keep on mutating and one day have mutated to something more deadly where todays vaccine isn't enough.

Markus

[mapuc]

This is a Corona virus related story a bizarre story

A driver was burned and his car destroyed after a bizarre accident.
It happened around 5:30 p.m. Thursday in a shopping center in Rockville, Maryland.


https://abc11.com/car-goes-up-in-flames-when-driver-smoking-cigarette-uses-sanitizer/10631602/

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaefMrez9XA

[Jimbuna]

Lockdown rules have eased in England, Scotland and Wales.

Pubs and restaurants are able to serve customers indoors, and social distancing guidelines have been relaxed.

But the government has warned outbreaks connected to the Indian variant of Covid could delay the next stage of easing restrictions, currently expected in June.
https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52530518

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/SsNwMPc7/118548808-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-17may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/xkhxrtxc)

[Rockstar]

Maryland finally lifted mask restrictions last Saturday. Though I noticed all employees at the local grocer still wear them.

[mapuc]

The expert here in Denmark agree on that the use of facemask will be one of the last restriction who will be removed.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Maryland finally lifted mask restrictions last Saturday. Though I noticed all employees at the local grocer still wear them.

I carry one with me, I'll slip it on if I see others wearing one out of courtesy.

[3catcircus]

Maryland finally lifted mask restrictions last Saturday. Though I noticed all employees at the local grocer still wear them.

It'll take awhile for the collective insanity to pass.

[Buddahaid]

Maryland finally lifted mask restrictions last Saturday. Though I noticed all employees at the local grocer still wear them.

Face masks are not required for Californians that have had the injections as CA is near the bottom of the CDC demographic, but I will still wear mine in public as a sign of concern. I still feel the danger is far from over but welcome the relaxing of local regulation.

[August]

Nobody around here has taken any signs down so masks are still required at every indoor business that i've been to.

[Rockstar]

I dont pay too much attention to local news. So I found out about the lifting of the mandate today when I saw others in store without a mask.
I would say the vast majority of women customers still wore them. Most men didn't. I did only because walked in with it already on.
But I do it in style with a Hirbawi keffeyeh, not some cheap chinese knockoff or low rent N95 chin diaper. lol

[August]

But I do it in style with a Hirbawi keffeyeh, not some cheap chinese knockoff or low rent N95 chin diaper. lol


I find that the basic throw away ear loop mask is the most comfortable to wear and I do hate wearing them but I have to admit they were also pretty good at limiting the amount of dust I inhaled when I was working as a technician and they do conceal my frown when someone says something stupid during customer walk throughs.

Coincidentally I was next in line behind a pudgy, soft looking young man who was sweating profusely under one of those Arab get ups in the dunkin donuts line up in Maine the other day. Like a cowboy hat or a kilt, it's definitely not a garment that everyone can pull off wearing without looking completely lame doing it. :)

[Rockstar]

After culling 15 million minks in November, Denmark is now digging up millions of bodies over concerns that they could pollute the surrounding area.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/akgvab/denmark-races-to-dig-up-the-millions-of-dead-mink-it-just-killed

[Onkel Neal]

August, sorry to hear the vacc shot knocked you back a bit. You better now?

[Jimbuna]

Nobody around here has taken any signs down so masks are still required at every indoor business that I've been to.

Same here in the UK and as much as I'd rather not wear one I'm happy to continue for a fair while yet.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqEuwgepQWU

[Aktungbby]

Face masks are not required for Californians that have had the injections as CA is near the bottom of the CDC demographic, but I will still wear mine in public as a sign of concern. I still feel the danger is far from over but welcome the relaxing of local regulation. I'll wear mine till I die; 'cause when you're ugly but have beautiful eyes, it's the only way to go...and it covers my sagging jowls too!:arrgh!:

[mapuc]

I love to read other peoples comment around the web.

Day before yesterday I read something which my chin drop to the floor.

It was on a friends wall.

" Following the rules given by the government you are obeying the Devil.

If you use facemask as ordered from the government you are taking order from the devil."

I shake my head when I read this kind of rubbish..religious fanatisme.

Markus

[Rockstar]

I love to read other peoples comment around the web.

Day before yesterday I read something which my chin drop to the floor.

It was on a friends wall.

" Following the rules given by the government you are obeying the Devil.

If you use facemask as ordered from the government you are taking order from the devil."

I shake my head when I read this kind of rubbish..religious fanatisme.

Markus


All lies. Not once did I ever hear Aktungbby give orders to wear masks.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/MTbQGR4g/118561760-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-18may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/0MjQW69C)

[Mr Quatro]

:yep:All lies. Not once did I ever hear Aktungbby give orders to wear masks.

Surely you jest ... know ye not that Aktung works for Homeland Security and therefore rules the roost :D

PS Sorry August that your J&J shot didn't work out ... hope you get well fast :yep:

[Skybird]

Just days ago a study said in the Lancet that mixing AZ and BT vaccines in any sequence has unknown efficiency but certainly a slightly higher risk for more serious vaccination symptoms.

Now a Spanish study says almost exactly the opposite, or so it is claimed: that the mix is more easy in symptoms, but far more efficient than a pure AZ or BT double jab.

It does not speak for scientific standards if one and the same issue can trigger so diametrically opposite "results" within such a short timespan. We do not talk about the dual nature of light as a particle and as a wave - or do we...? Obviously there are serious construction sites in the field that is called medical methodology.

Not the first time I thought like this in recent years. I met it a lot in the last year when researching studies on nutrients. It scorns science. And sometimes, not even very rarely, it overstepped the red line to intentional data falsification, to get to a wanted and preordered outcome.

Or do you get different results in a mathematical formula, depending on the weekday you calculate it...?

[MaDef]

But I do it in style with a Hirbawi keffeyeh, not some cheap chinese knockoff or low rent N95 chin diaper. lol

LOL. I'm still wearing the first mask my wife sewed back in March 2020, I don't think it's been washed since November of last year. :D

[August]

PS Sorry August that your J&J shot didn't work out ... hope you get well fast :yep:


I do thank you for the kind sentiment but it was just a reaction to the vaccine. I was back in the pink within 24 hours.

[Mr Quatro]

https://www.quora.com/profile/Mitchell-Tsai

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0541563588b0b3f93717565b4ce874a9


Diagram: Sun 8/30/20

old chart I'll try to find a more recent one

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otDLT5VK1IE

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/6QKsgWy6/118575883-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-19may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/ZWwDyh8X)

[nikimcbee]

First day mask mandate gone in NY....House still standing.

[nikimcbee]

I do thank you for the kind sentiment but it was just a reaction to the vaccine. I was back in the pink within 24 hours.


Wait wut? I got kinda, slightly sick after my second one. Very anti-climatic. So when are we doing a bro-date?

[Onkel Neal]

I do thank you for the kind sentiment but it was just a reaction to the vaccine. I was back in the pink within 24 hours.

I had no reaction at all to both my shots, and I know that is not due to my "manliness", which has faded with age. I do hope they weren't giving me a saline shot because they ran out of vaccine and were afraid to tell me :timeout:

[Gerald]

I had no reaction at all to both my shots, and I know that is not due to my "manliness", which has faded with age. I do hope they weren't giving me a saline shot because they ran out of vaccine and were afraid to tell me :timeout: Neal, I know you are in good shape since ya live close to a ⛳ and spend some time to exercise.

[August]

I had no reaction at all to both my shots, and I know that is not due to my "manliness", which has faded with age. I do hope they weren't giving me a saline shot because they ran out of vaccine and were afraid to tell me :timeout:


I'm not surprised. I hardly felt my shot. I thought because the dose was only half a milliliter. On the way home it was even a little tough to feel exactly where she stabbed me. About an hour later though wow. I thought I had been poisoned, but still no pain from the injection site itself. Had I not gotten sick it would have been similar to your experience. It was about 24 hours later too.

[Jimbuna]

I had no reaction at all to both my shots, and I know that is not due to my "manliness", which has faded with age. I do hope they weren't giving me a saline shot because they ran out of vaccine and were afraid to tell me :timeout:

Trust you to think that one up :)

That thought did cross my mind for a moment after my second jab :doh:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKTcxg3SXos

[Jimbuna]

Prof Andrew Hayward, a member of the Sage advisory group, tells the BBC the UK could be at the start of a another wave of coronavirus.

"This strain can circulate very effectively... I don't really see why it wouldn't continue to spread in other parts of the country," he says.

Covid was only the 18th highest cause of death in Wales in April and the ninth highest in England.

It was the leading cause of death in both nations each month from November to February.

Failures in the national Test and Trace system are partly responsible for the surge of Indian variant cases in Blackburn, a report says.

It’s understood a technical problem left the council - and several others - unable to identify cases of the Indian variant for three weeks.

UK airports could start segregating passengers arriving from red list countries next month, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says.

People aged 25-29 are now eligible for a vaccination in Northern Ireland, as are 34-year-olds in England.

The Duke of Cambridge has had his first jab and tweeted his thanks to all involved in the rollout.

[Jimbuna]

Not sure if I believe this or even if the vaccine they are using is effective.

China delivers more vaccine doses than US and UK combined

China has now administered 449.51 million vaccine doses. It is the world’s leader in terms of vaccine numbers, and has been highlighting in the past 24 hours how this figure means it has delivered more doses than the US and the UK combined.

China has been rapidly escalating vaccination in recent weeks. Today, it is big news in China that more than 100 million Covid-19 vaccine doses have been administered in the past eight days alone. This means that at the rate China is moving, it could vaccinate a population the size of the UK in under a week.

For the past 10 days, National Health Commission data has put the number of vaccines being administered per day at over 10 million. Last month at the same time, China was averaging between 3-4 million vaccine doses a day.

A lot has happened in a month - China has escalated rollout of vaccination to over 60s, while previously it was prioritising vaccination of people in the 18-59 age bracket. China has also boosted vaccine capacity domestically, and the news the Sinopharm vaccine was granted emergency approval by the World Health Organization earlier this month has helped boost public confidence in vaccination.

There have also been increased media campaigns encouraging people to get their jab. China’s most trusted respiratory expert, Zhong Nanshan, has repeatedly appeared on TV urging people to do their bit, and today, there is the rollout of a catchy vaccination song called “Hurry up and get jabbed”.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-57183056

[Skybird]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.385401v1.full/



Summary

The current SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has emphasized the vulnerability of human populations to novel viral pressures, despite the vast array of epidemiological and biomedical tools now available. Notably, modern human genomes contain evolutionary information tracing back tens of thousands of years, which may help identify the viruses that have impacted our ancestors – pointing to which viruses have future pandemic potential. Here, we apply evolutionary analyses to human genomic datasets to recover selection events involving tens of human genes that interact with coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2, that started 25,000 years ago. These adaptive events were limited to ancestral East Asian populations, the geographical origin of several modern coronavirus epidemics. An arms race with an ancient corona-like virus may thus have taken place in ancestral East Asian populations. By learning more about our ancient viral foes, our study highlights the promise of evolutionary information to combat the pandemics of the future.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2YvIVkcJFk

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/5930BMPY/118607354-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-21may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/MXnqwgJq)

[Onkel Neal]

Not sure if I believe this or even if the vaccine they are using is effective.

Well, since they made the virus it follows that they would have a nice head start on a vaccine.

[Jimbuna]

From Sunday, people travelling from the UK will not be allowed to enter Germany.

The decision is down to a rise in cases of the Indian variant in the UK

German citizens and residents, plus people with an exceptional reason, can still enter - but face a two-week quarantine.

But Spain is lifting restrictions for UK travellers from Monday.

In England, those aged 32 and 33 can book in for their first vaccine from today.

On Friday, nine Covid deaths were recorded in the UK, and 2,829 cases.

The Eurovision Song Contest will take place in Rotterdam tonight, in front of a Covid-tested audience of 3,500

[Jimbuna]

Well, since they made the virus it follows that they would have a nice head start on a vaccine.

I suspect you may well be right :yep:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkyOoDYpWc

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/9fYB65v7/118617507-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-22may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/d7DdCXQs)

[MaDef]

Well, since they made the virus it follows that they would have a nice head start on a vaccine.

Hold on.... When it was suggested that this virus escaped from the Wuhan lab over a year ago, those who suggested it were ridiculed into silence. What's changed?

[Skybird]

Since tonight, travellers from the UK (Brits and non-Brits alike) cannot enter Germany anymore as long as they are no German nationals or have their primary living place in Germany. But they have to go into 14 day quarantine. Negative test results or vaccinations do not shorten the quarantine, it is mandatory for everybody.

Reason is the fast spreading of the Indian variant in the UK.

Now here is the rub. Spain is opening up for tourists from the UK. And Germany also allows German travels to Spain again. Where the German tourists then meet with the British, or better: meet the Spain the British "infestors" :) have left behind. And so one can expect that German tourists nevertheless will bring the Indian variant from the UK to Germany - via Spain.

I currently read a book about immunology and the immune system. The author gave an introductory chapter on the history of treating pandemics since the times of ancient Greece. And wonder oh wonder: already three thousand years ago and then always again when a pandemic haunted the mediterranean trading routes and Europe, they practiced the same what today is called: social distancing, quarantining, stopping movement, isolating - even the equivalents of that time to modern hand hygiene - and even wearing masks.

But today, with our so fast-moving travel options that transport people and germs around the globe in no time, they have nothing better to do than to shuttle tourists - tourists! - by the thousands and tens of thousands around the whole continent. It is so very very very very important to do so. :doh:

BTW, most pandemics in the past 3000 years lasted usually from 3-15 years and came in waves. 3 to 15 years. Often, they never became fully wiped out.

After summer, we will see another, fourth wave, i predict. The vaccines we currently have, seem to help against the Indian variant - but they do so at a lower efficiency level, while the variant is far more infectous. And the virus will not stop to mutate.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZlyvPeayGQ

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pr9yG7CMbY

[Jimbuna]

Covid: How is Europe lifting lockdown restrictions?

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53640249

[Skybird]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-wuhan-lab-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228


Only two things are clear and beyond doubt:
China should not be trusted.
The WHO - like any UN body - should not be trusted either.

[Texas Red]

I'll be getting my COVID vaccine on the 26th. I am probably going to be the first kid in my grade to get it, and there won't be many who'll get it.

[Texas Red]

I think the X-Files is a good example nowadays:
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0896/4390/products/trust-no-one_c71308cc-a550-4a40-93fd-b64809bfbca3_1200x1200.jpg?v=1559335801

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDnFRFq1ugA

[Onkel Neal]

New information on Wuhan researchers' illness furthers debate on pandemic origins

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/23/politics/us-intelligence-report-wuhan-lab-researchers-coronavirus-origin/index.html

Hah!

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2xmtd8dkA

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/tgVj4fSg/118665517-uk-card-with-vax-2doses-25may-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/1gPTWWZx)

[em2nought]

So it looks like this thread just might have to be altered to "Wuhan lab virus 2020" one of these days.

[Jimbuna]

Several French social media influencers say they have received a mysterious financial offer to spread negative publicity about the Pfizer vaccine.

They say an agency claiming to be based in the UK has contacted them by email offering a "partnership".

Léo Grasset, who has 1.17m YouTube subscribers, tweeted (in French) that a "colossal budget" was promised from a client "who wants to remain incognito".

He said that the address the agency had given appeared to be bogus.

He said the LinkedIn profiles of the agency's alleged employees he had managed to find later disappeared, but not before he noticed that "everybody there has worked in Russia".

Léo Grasset posted what he said were instructions from the agency, urging him not to use such words as "advertising" or "sponsored video" if he were to agree to the partnership offer.

"Present the material as your own independent view," the email said.

It also asked him to spread among his followers a false claim that the death rate among the vaccinated by Pfizer is almost three times higher than among those who have received AstraZeneca.

Several other French social media influencers, all of whom are involved in the health and science field, said they had been contacted with a similar offer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57250285

[Moonlight]

The EU are acting like a pack of money hungry scoundrels again. :o

Lower than low: EU sues AstraZeneca for MILLIONS as vaccine-makers desperately fight Covid

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1441518/astrazeneca-vaccine-legal-case-eu-sues-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine

[Rockstar]

So it looks like this thread just might have to be altered to "Wuhan lab virus 2020" one of these days.


Everyone knows that's just a lie started by Trump. Biden agrees with the WHO it all started when some people got their freak on with bats in a nearby cave.

[Skybird]

I do not want the AZ jab, and I know and said why that is so: its not because of the thrombosis thing (I am over 40 and I am not female, so the statistical chances do not worry me at all), its because the established long record of the company of failing, and lying about it. It already started in the phase 1 clinical trials, I remind of that. And it continued, from clinical issues over methodological issues to legal and contract issues and business negotiation issues. I asked what else there is in the hidden that is unknown, is kept away from the public, and what they most naturally would lie about if being confronted.

Now this reply from today, and the star once again is AZ.

FOCUS writes:

According to their own information, researchers at Ulm University have detected contamination in AstraZeneca's corona vaccine. The batches examined contained larger proportions of human and viral proteins that are not part of the vaccine. These proteins apparently come from the culture cultures for the vector viruses, as the research team reports. It is conceivable that this contamination could influence the vaccine effect and possibly also promote side effects such as sinus vein thrombosis. -

Among the vaccines against the coronavirus, the vaccine from AstraZeneca has already attracted negative attention several times: In the approval there were ambiguities with the dosage and the effectiveness was in some cases significantly lower than with the mRNA vaccines. In addition, the chimpanzee adenovirus-based vector vaccine appears to promote cerebral vein thrombosis as a rare but potentially dangerous side effect. These are probably triggered by an autoimmune reaction induced by the vaccine.

[Skybird]

And Russia again interferes, putting Western citizens' lives at risk once again.
The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) writes:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/geld-fuer-fakenews-manipulationsversuche-gegen-biontech-pfizer-17359654.html


A state behaving like this, is not our partner and not our friend. But a murderous enemy. If another nation kills and tries to kill our citizens in peacetimes, that is an act of war, plain and simple.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/3wX15kd9/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimg.cc/CZKkbLCf)

[Jimbuna]

And Russia again interferes, putting Western citizens' lives at risk once again.
The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) writes:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/geld-fuer-fakenews-manipulationsversuche-gegen-biontech-pfizer-17359654.html


A state behaving like this, is not our partner and not our friend. But a murderous enemy. If another nation kills and tries to kill our citizens in peacetimes, that is an act of war, plain and simple.

Reported four posts earlier :03:

[August]

Remember, every jab we get means one less Refusnik that Neal will have to report to the government when the time comes.

[August]

And Russia again interferes, putting Western citizens' lives at risk once again.
The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) writes:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/geld-fuer-fakenews-manipulationsversuche-gegen-biontech-pfizer-17359654.html


A state behaving like this, is not our partner and not our friend. But a murderous enemy. If another nation kills and tries to kill our citizens in peacetimes, that is an act of war, plain and simple.


Yet you are still eager to take their gas pipe. :doh: