Wuhan virus 2020

[mapuc]

I heard something very interesting, which have made me go from neutral to Trump & Co is 99 % wrong, on their accusation China have developed this virus.

I had an appointment with my foot doctor(not the correct name I know) while waiting I stood about 1½-2 meter from a elderly woman.

We stood and had a chat about everything. We even talked about this Corona.
I said I have noticed Trump & Co have accused China for having created this Virus and China is upset by this.

Then this woman said
...-And China is correct... You can not alter a virus...(then she talked on how a virus is created and many other things).

I said
some of these things I know, from reading science stuff on this Virus.
And you seems to know a lot more than I do I said to her.

Well after I got my Doctor diploma(I think you call it)
I worked as a scientist at the Danish Serum Institute for three years.
So I have a high knowledge on virus.

It was some minutes later I understood she was a doctor and this made me chance my mind from neutral.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

The number of deaths in WWII dwarfens when comparing them to the number of deaths in the two thousand yeas before. Its all the Romans' fault.

True and one more item if virus's aren't man made how in the hell did man last this long?

As an old guy who is almost 70 this statistic gets your attention. Big time.

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 43% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/amp/

A thought that would not occur without these statics is that most of them (over 50%) were going to die anyway in fact New York got caught saying anyone that died in a nursing home died of Covid-19.

Why I do not know ... perhaps to get more federal budget money?

[Jimbuna]

The PM's top aide Dominic Cummings might have broken lockdown rules, but it would have been a "minor breach", say Durham Police.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52835982

What a disgraceful cover up :nope:

[Jimbuna]

People must be prepared for new outbreaks of coronavirus to build up very quickly, the World Health Organization tells the BBC.

The WHO's Covid-19 special envoy, Dr David Nabarro, warns "this virus has not gone away" despite lockdowns being eased.

More than 200 schools across South Korea return to online teaching days after reopening, amid a fresh outbreak of the virus.

On Thursday South Korea reported 79 new cases within 24 hours - its highest number in two months.

Japan has seen a new cluster of infections emerge in the south-west, just days after the PM lifted the state of emergency.

Brazil reported a daily record of 26,417 new coronavirus cases on Thursday
Moscow more than doubled the official death toll from Covid-19 for the month of April.

There are more than 5.8m cases globally and the death toll stands at 359,791, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

The pilot of a private plane has landed at a military airfield in north Wales without permission, because he wanted “to go to the beach”.

People in Scotland are now able to meet friends and family again as the country begins to ease its lockdown.

People residing in care homes have accounted for more than half of Covid-19 related deaths in Northern Ireland, official figures show.

Russia has reported its highest single-day rise in coronavirus deaths, with 232 fatalities. The surge appears to reflect an increase in people catching the virus in several regions earlier this month.

Hotels are reopening in Austria today, in a further easing of the country's lockdown restrictions.

Russia has reported 232 more deaths, its highest number in a 24-hour period, bringing the total to 4,374. New infections, at 8,572, are well down from their peak. That death toll may be under-reported too, as our story on Moscow's decision to revise its number explains.

Swimming in outdoor pools and holding weddings with up to 100 people are now allowed in Austria. After a relatively minor outbreak with 645 deaths in total, restrictions are being lifted fast.

Another meat processing plant in the Netherlands has reported an outbreak - 21 out of 130 staff have tested positive at Van Rooi Meat in the southern city of Helmond.

Spain has decided to move 70% of the country to Phase Two of lifting the lockdown on Monday - cinemas, theatres, concert halls and shopping centres will reopen, in a limited way.

Croatia's reopened its borders to 10 EU countries including Austria, but as Croatia is not on Austria's "white list", returning tourists will need a negative Covid-19 test to come back.

Tourists looking to visit the Indonesian resort island of Bali will need to prove they are free of coronavirus before they start their holiday.

[Mr Quatro]

People residing in care homes have accounted for more than half of Covid-19 related deaths in Northern Ireland, official figures show.


Just a little research (leaving Northern Ireland off) results in the same data even higher in some states. Is it wrong to think that they were going to die anyway and even some states have counted anyone that dies in a nursing home died of Covid-19.

https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E211US1274G91208&p=People+residing+in+care+homes+have+accounted+for +more+than+half+of+Covid-19+related+deaths

but then again in New York there is under reporting ... odd results in what can we believe?

https://www.brooklynpaper.com/nursing-homes-underreport-covid-19-deaths/

Nearly one quarter of New York state’s COVID-19 victims have died in nursing homes and psychiatric facilities — and yet, the death toll is likely much higher as some homes purposefully underreport their deaths, experts allege.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIkqdQb2R8

[Jimbuna]

UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak says the government is "in a position" to ease lockdown despite warnings the infection level remains high.

Confirming changes to the government's furlough scheme, Sunak says employers will be asked to cover National Insurance and employer pension contributions in August.

By September, businesses will pay 10% of wages for furloughed staff, and in October 20%, the UK chancellor says.

Up to eight people from two households can now meet outside in Scotland, as the country eases its lockdown.

People must be prepared for new outbreaks of coronavirus to build up very quickly, the World Health Organization tells the BBC.

Spain fast-tracks a plan to pay the country's poorest households a basic income of £410 a month in the wake of the pandemic.

Japan sees a new cluster of infections emerge in the south-west, just days after the PM lifted the state of emergency.

Moscow has more than doubled its official death toll from Covid-19 for the month of April.

There are more than 5.8 million cases globally and the death toll stands at more than 361,200, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[August]

New Study Casts More Doubt on Effectiveness of Masks in Preventing COVID-19 Spread

While disappointing, the results are not particularly surprising.
Thursday, May 28, 2020

Millions of people are turning to masks in an effort to protect themselves from COVID-19, but new evidence suggests those efforts could be for naught.
Research published in the Annals of Internal Medicine (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342)last month found that both surgical and cloth masks proved ineffective in preventing the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
Conducted by clinical researchers at several universities in Seoul, South Korea, the study involved four patients receiving medical care for COVID-19. (Previous studies researching the efficacy of masks examined transmission of other viruses.)
Unfortunately, the results were not encouraging (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/new-study-questions-the-effectiveness-of-masks-against-sars-cov-2?fbclid=IwAR1CqYsKCEKtl_--iXzSzdeIoa_RUSHbBfHmxTV5EeOomudHH1j_nLQCmWM).
“Neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS–CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients,” researchers concluded. (Note: N95 respirators, which CDC Guidelines advise for medical personnel only, were not part of the test. You can read more about the study (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/new-study-questions-the-effectiveness-of-masks-against-sars-cov-2?fbclid=IwAR1CqYsKCEKtl_--iXzSzdeIoa_RUSHbBfHmxTV5EeOomudHH1j_nLQCmWM) at Medical News Today.)
While disappointing, the results are not particularly surprising.
As recently as March, the US Surgeon General was still urging Americans to not buy or wear masks, stating (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/surgeon-general-coronavirus-masks-risk-trnd/index.html) they could actually increase one’s risk of infection. On March 8, NIAID Director and infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci told (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/12/flashback_march_2020_fauci_says_theres_no_reason_t o_be_walking_around_with_a_mask.html)60 Minutes (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/12/flashback_march_2020_fauci_says_theres_no_reason_t o_be_walking_around_with_a_mask.html) much the same (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/12/flashback_march_2020_fauci_says_theres_no_reason_t o_be_walking_around_with_a_mask.html).










https://fee.org/articles/new-study-casts-more-doubt-on-effectiveness-of-masks-in-preventing-covid-19-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0osTUYMTs3g7ZplUJNHyMJhonKZQp5Tgwisaqd oPfI55st-8hPP3ZqYSo

[mapuc]

Trump says terminating U.S. relationship with World Health Organization over virus

Appearing in the White House Rose Garden, Trump went ahead with repeated threats to eliminate American funding for the group, which amounts to several hundred million dollars a year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-who/trump-says-terminating-us-relationship-with-world-health-organization-over-virus-idUSKBN2352YJ

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

https://fee.org/articles/new-study-casts-more-doubt-on-effectiveness-of-masks-in-preventing-covid-19-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0osTUYMTs3g7ZplUJNHyMJhonKZQp5Tgwisaqd oPfI55st-8hPP3ZqYSo

Thank you for sharing this August I had not heard this one yet ...

I still don't have the 10 mask I ordered from China back in March ...

So I still haven't worn one to the post office or to the store :yep:

[em2nought]

https://fee.org/articles/new-study-casts-more-doubt-on-effectiveness-of-masks-in-preventing-covid-19-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0osTUYMTs3g7ZplUJNHyMJhonKZQp5Tgwisaqd oPfI55st-8hPP3ZqYSo




"Listen to the experts" is sorta turning into a hollow phrase. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Thank you for sharing this August I had not heard this one yet ...

I still don't have the 10 mask I ordered from China back in March ...

So I still haven't worn one to the post office or to the store :yep:
The threat is not just form droplets, but aerosols which have droplets a thousand times smaller than 1mm, but still can carry virusses. Cotton masks and surgical masks do little here, they only break the air stream and reduce the speed and thus the initial range by which the get fired out by mouth and nose. Since they inlcude aersols, they nevertheless will move around, staying in air for hours.



I wonder if there is any feedback, data on cotton masks with inbuild silver ion layer. Gag, or useful? I know that siulver ions are a valid way of desinfection,kl the technilogy is used in water purifiers and desaster areas, on expeditions, in outdoor activities. But in masks and as air filters?



You need FFP masks, both so that an infected person filters the air it exhales,and to protect yourself from the air you inahle. Be careful with FFP3, they are no pleasure to wear, especially on a hot day. The breath goes heavier, the moisture mounts quickly, the feel is to breath extremely wet, almost liquid fog, the face gets hot, you additionally sweat, your nose starts runnign quickly... FFP2 are much more comfortable while still offering reasonable filtering, I thuink the amsks doe 99.9 and 95%, I can acceot the 95% when consideirng the cfuirrent low probability to meet the vorus in a supoermarket over here. Do also consider not to use masks with exhale valves, since then you breath out your unfiltered breath, compriom nsing the prtection the mask may priovide for the others beign safe form you. I indeed focus on valve-free FFP2 masks now.



I am saying this since all this story began: wear masks. And I am still wondering what people - and state authorities!! - find so fricking difficult in understanding in the logic of masks and their need to be fine enough to filter the theat they are designed to filter.



Its as if somebody throws stones at me, and somebody else tells me: "Don'T move, let yourself getting hit! Its safer, else you do not know what will happen!" Its stupid. I mean: highly infectous virus - transmission via air - implies talking, breathing, coughing could be ways of infection - implies droplets from cough and aerosols from breath and talking - knockknock, anyyone at home ...? Just now see what long lasting cryptical mambo jambo talking they have made of it! It was the first things I were thinking about earlier this yar - and I am no doctor.



Masks and Vitamine D are the two things that are the most absurd discussions about Covid19. Which comes at the costs of many tens of thousands of lives, I am very certain by now, and hundreds of thousands of severe courses of the disease. More suffering than might have been anavoidable. Its all just evidence to me that the virus indeed also damages the brain...

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIkqdQb2R8
I like the man ever better! My imoression to is that academical standard has severely suffered in the opast years, ten years, 15-20 years,m its hard tio say. That noisy ideology-.driven special rights groupos and the idnusatry have deepelny penetrated into the free scientific research now, have not helped to inprovce uzaqlity< of scinrtific publicaitonk, as far as I can say, and my reading in science magazines is very limited in scope, mainly astronomy, a bit of physics and technology occasionally, and then some random stuff.

It has been turned too much into what TV news have degenerated into as well: politically compatible entertainment. I still praise thw scientfic methodologxy above anythign els,e we have no better method to form new kinwoledge, it is second to none. But lobbies have accioeved that it got seriously corruted and abused. That doe snot speak against the mehtod itseolf, only speka sgainst those absuing it or not minding that they get abused while maintaining it.

[em2nought]

I like the man ever better! My imoression to is that academical standard has severely suffered in the opast years, ten years, 15-20 years,m its hard tio say.


I think that same thing about weather reporting. The weather reporters are now just pretty and I don't feel like I have a clue what's coming each day. lol Maybe I just haven't figured out where to look anymore.


I wonder if there is any feedback, data on cotton masks with inbuild silver ion layer. Gag, or useful? I know that siulver ions are a valid way of desinfection,kl the technilogy is used in water purifiers and desaster areas, on expeditions, in outdoor activities. But in masks and as air filters?





There is a company advertising masks on Fox, and if you go to their website it mentions the silver ions, but oddly I don't think they mention it in their ad. https://boomernaturals.com/collections/medical-supplies


Made in Vietnam "TV30" for 20% off order, free shipping over $50

[August]

Beware of the medical advice being given on this forum:


Taking vitamin D amid coronavirus: Doctors warn against 'megadoses' of the dietary supplement


The ongoing coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/infectious-disease/coronavirus) pandemic has some looking for ways to keep their immune systems in tip-top shape, and there’s evidence that vitamin D can help with exactly that. But taking too much of this dietary supplement (https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/healthy-living) can be dangerous, doctors warned in a paper published earlier this month in the British Medical Journal.
Medical professionals already know that vitamin D helps to strengthen bones, and the supplement has also been said to regulate cellular functions throughout the body. And in relation to the novel coronavirus, there are some trials underway to study the effectiveness of vitamin D on hospitalized COVID-19 patients, such as one in Spain (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04334005).
To date, however, there are no clinical studies that show the effectiveness of vitamin D, or any other supplements or vitamins, to treat the coronavirus.

[Jimbuna]

Greece is to open up to tourists from 29 countries in two weeks - but not those travelling from the UK.

There is strong criticism of President Trump's decision to end the US relationship with the World Health Organization.

Germany strongly criticised the "disappointing" decision, while one US senator said it could hurt efforts to develop a coronavirus vaccine.

India has recorded its biggest single day jump in cases with nearly 8,000 new infections and 265 deaths.

More than a third of all cases are in Maharashtra, one of India's richest states.

But despite the rising number of covid-19 cases, the government has been easing restrictions.

UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak says the government is "in a position" to ease lockdown despite warnings the infection level remains high.

But scientific advisers to the government have warned of the risk of lifting the lockdown in England too soon.

More on that highest single-day surge of new infections in Brazil. There are 26,928 confirmed new cases - bringing the total to 465,166.

Around 400 German managers, workers and their families are returning to China on charter flights, as multinational companies begin to open up again.

[Jimbuna]

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[Skybird]

I was made aware of August havign posted something on Vit D. Due to this I even unignored him temporarily for the purpose of reading just that.

No link provided, just hear-say posted, that was the firts thing I noticed.

To beocme a biot more specific on what I said and why. The deicisve criterion is not how much Vit-D you consumme, but the concetration of its post-metabolic substance in the blood, measured in nmol. Various medical institutions and offices vary widely in how much is good and how much is not good. In the apst twenty yearsd, the trend ha sbeen to inbcrease the recomme3nde dlevbels, doubling even tripoling them. The focus was mainly on bone issues, in rceent years has also incolpdued more genral health issues. Clear it seems to be that beyond a certain level further consummation of Vit-D can become useless, maybe even counterprouctive. We know for exmapke that the risk for breaking bones rises if you have too little Vit-D. Thgew risk lowers if you have "idela" levels of Vit-D. And the risks rises again oif you have too much Vit-D.

In 2017 por 2018 the American Endocrine Society of the US had a publicaiton where they even tolerated a daily conusmmaiton dose of 10 thosjan d IEs as potzentially harmelss. The reocmmendaiton of the European Food security Agency EFSA reocmmended a daily maximum of 4 thosuand IEs only. The American Endocrine Society has chnaged its re3ocmmendaitons two or trhee time susbstantially over the past decade, reflecting that the knowledge gained about Vit-D is in flow.

A consensus seems to be that toxcity is given at levels of around 250 nmol/l . The recommended level that seems to form a consenus currently is in the range of 60-120, with 30-60 now beign seen as deficient, and below 30 nmol/l causing medically dangerous deficient.

In this context above I remind of the recent study done by Indonesian scientists who examined the cases of 780 infected residents in European caretaking facilities. Half of them had a level of 60nmol/l, of these 4% died. 27% had levels of 30-60 nmol/l, of these 88% died. 23% had levels below 30 nmol/l, of these 99% died.

The knoweldge on Vit-D is in flow, we do not know all aboiut it already, but we can - I think at least - mark some cornerstones for recommendations. That are:
- the older, classical recommendations of less than 1000 IE per day are too conservative and too shy.

- The mega-dose recommendations of 50 or even 100 thousand IEs per day most likely do no additional good, probbaly can even be harmful over long term future perspective with regard to calcium-related realth issues and metabolic dysfunctions.

- From a certain dose oin Vitmaine K2 should be taken toegther with Vitamine D2. However I a unable to fidn a consensus what that ciritcla value is. I set it for mysedlf in the range of 4-5 thousand IE, because whenever I hear or read doctors and publications m,enmtioniung tolerbale or recommendable doses of less than 5000 IE, I completgely miss any mentioning of the need for Vit-K2 to counter the risk for a process of "Hyperkalzämie" taking place.

The truth for an ideal dose thus is likely to be found in the rnage between 1000 and 50000 IE. I halved it for security concerns, and then reduced it further, which brought my maximum dose to the renage of those sometimes published by medical organisations as for exmaple the Ecndiocoire Society in the US.

That Vit-D levels iuntgeract with the immune system is known since decades, though not all specific detials are knbown for sure. It has also been observed that Vit-D levels interacted in any way with other, earlier verisons of Coirona virusses: Sars and Mers. We now observe a correlation once again with Covid-19 detahs and severity os casue of ifnections, and Vitmaine-D levels, and we have seen that rpeorted in amny reports now. That is no boudble-blind clinical trial, i know I kinow. But it is a very seriouzs, repetzivie, hioghly correlated observaiton that has been verified severla times allaq croiss the world now. Onoly a stupid would ignore that.

Vit-D doe snot heal Coivid-19,m as August claims it doe snot. But then, I never have claimed it does. I talked of shifting chnace sin your favour. We currently only have social rules (distancing, masks) and our immune system bertween us and the virus. A storng immune system ver ylikely helps to fight off the virus by gifting us with a less severe cause of the disease in case we get infected. Wehther it prevent sinfeciton int he first I do not know. I have some faith howver that a good concetration of Vit-D helps my immune systejm to shift chacnes in my faovur for a less severew cause of the disease. this - AND NOTHING ELSE - is what it has been aboiut from my first posting on Vit-D on. And nothing else says any of the videos of Dr. Campbell on Vitmaine D, of which he has done three or four now.

I include three publications that illustrate how the debate on Vitmaine D goes up and ndown, and reomnndations reahc high and then reyhc down again over thze past 10 years. The first two are from the Americna Endocrine Society, severla years apart, it shows how they alter their own assessment on how much tio consume and why. Itsa numbers-heavy, it helps if you have some knowledge on how to read and interpret such statsistics anylsis stuff. The third I just give as a hint that I am aware of the trend to trying to reduce recommendations as well. A link for publication of high-set reocmemnndaitons I spare, since the web is full of such higher-.rreachign recokemndaitons and thus it is easy to find. I try to sail a safe course in the middle between the extremes. My channel's sailing limits reach from 1000 to 50000, I started at 20000, reduced to 10000, and now will reduce further to 5000. The real dangerous ground I think begins at doses above 100000, with clear toxciety being giuven at aorund 200-250 thosuand IE per day: you then start to see imminent symptoms from a severly intoxicated brain: disorientaiton, hallucinations, dizziness, tactile misperperceptions etc etc. two-hundred-thousand. Five or ten thousand. Thats quite a huge difference.

I once again remind of that the reocmmendaiton of natioanlö food agency intenraitonally vary very widely, with soemn states even suppoomenting Vit.D to food in supermarkets, and othe rnatiosn strictly banning to do so. There is no one internaitopnal cobnesus. There is just the profit interests of the insudtry: both supplement producers and pharmaceutical producers, and both are antagonstic. And one thing is clear: pharmaceutical producers HATE healthy populations, health is bad for their business. Their lobby in politics is extrmely strong. Supplement producer shave no polticla lobby, only the option to abuse media with m,anipulative advetrsiisjngt dressed as scientific studies.

The consumer is left alone while needing to navigate his life's ways between both frontlines.

Novembre 2014: https://endocrinenews.endocrine.org/nov-2014-just-right-how-much-vitamin-d-is-enough/

January 2020: https://endocrinenews.endocrine.org/vitamin-d-when-enough-is-enough/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3680954/


P.S.

The Indonesian study I mentioned: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-21211/v1


P.P.S.
Vitmaine gets stored in the body in reservoirs where it lasts for two and a half week (19 days). This is to help the bbody getting over days with less or no sun expoure. You therefore do not need ti take Vitmane D every day like other, real Vitamines. You cna take it in higher dose once per week, lets say, and divide the pill'sdose by 7 to get the avergae daily dose you then calculate with. One 20,000 IE pill per week means you take short of 3,000 IE per day. That way you must not care for it every day.

[Skybird]

And form one decade ago: surprisngly high recommended doses (several thousand IEs) but then also coupled with warnings against hypercalcemia and

hypercalciuria.

http://content.guidelinecentral.com/guideline/get/pdf/4061

That data maybe today is considered a bit dated.


I say once again: take Vit K2 if you tak ehigher doises, say more than 2000 IE (just my laymen guess). From levels of lets just say 10 thousand on and over long time, not just to fuill up your reserves for a week and then reducing again, have your blood serum levels monitored. I would not see the need to go this high and keep that dose for all time to come. I filled up my reserve sinc eI strongly assume I was deficitary, and then halved, and now halve again.

[Jimbuna]

NHS England has announced 146 new deaths of people who tested positive for Covid-19, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England to 26,529.

In Scotland, another 22 people who tested positive have died, taking the total deaths to 2,353.

A further 14 people have died after testing positive for coronavirus in Wales, bringing the total number of deaths to 1,331, according to Public Health Wales.
The total number of confirmed cases in Wales stands at 13,913 - an increase of 86.

In Northern Ireland, there has been one further Covid-19 related death since Friday recorded by its Department of Health, bringing total deaths there to 522.

Three months after closing, the Tower of Pisa in Italy has opened up to tourists again.

The US Supreme Court has rejected an emergency appeal against California's limits on the numbers of worshippers allowed to attend religious services.

Gibraltar has banned tourists from touching its famous Barbary monkeys, out of fear that they could catch coronavirus.

The 2020 Formula 1 season is set to get under way with races in Austria on 5 and 12 July.

[Jimbuna]

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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UYihh8hA5w

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlI4dY3xLBI

[Jimbuna]

After a near three-month shutdown, the UK government authorises the return of competitive sport on 1 June.

Experts have warned that lifting restrictions is "risky" before cases come down.

There is strong criticism of President Trump's decision to end the US relationship with the World Health Organization.

Germany says the decision is "disappointing", while a US senator warns it could hurt efforts to develop a coronavirus vaccine.

India has recorded its biggest single day jump in cases with nearly 8,000 new infections and 265 deaths.

But despite the rising number of covid-19 cases, the government has been easing restrictions.

Italy's Leaning Tower of Pisa reopens to tourists after months of being shut.

[Platapus]

The dog park is finally open where I live. Had a good time. About half the people were wearing masks. None of the dogs were.


You know how independent dogs can be.

[skidman]

Yesterday evening: First night out since the end of February! Had some beers and vodka shots with three friends from three different households (If you try to find logic coherence in the "number of people/number of household-rules" in force right now it can make your brain hurt). We sat at an table outside the cafe, had to write down our personal information, and put on our masks when going inside to "wash our hands".

Have to say I really, really enjoyed it.

[Skybird]

(If you try to find logic coherence in the "number of people/number of household-rules" in force right now it can make your brain hurt).
Probabilities. Three meeting persons living togetehr in one flat pose less a risk of infecting each other and foreigners alike, than three meeting persons living in three different flats/households. The latter offer longer, more numerous and diverse contact chains.

Problem is that in Germany 16 federal states have 16 different sets of different rules now. But the regional dukes wanted it so, and the central government has no saying in all this.

[Mr Quatro]

Probabilities. Three meeting persons living togetehr in one flat pose less a risk of infecting each other and foreigners alike, than three meeting persons living in three different flats/households. The latter offer longer, more numerous and diverse contact chains.

Problem is that in Germany 16 federal states have 16 different sets of different rules now. But the regional dukes wanted it so, and the central government has no saying in all this.

Finally a picture from Germany by Sky that we can understand ... Seems a little confusing to me that 16 states can not agree with the central government.:yep:

[Skybird]

Finally a picture from Germany by Sky that we can understand ... Seems a little confusing to me that 16 states can not agree with the central government.:yep:
Germany is a state of federal republican structure like the US. After all it were the allies dictating the style of the new German constitutional order, last but not least to prevent a strong central government ever taking over the whole nation once again. The authority of federal states and their political leaders more or less compare to what you see in the US. The nchamber system is sloghtly different, maybe the German federal states are seated even stronger against the central government than their American counterparts. Severla things that the fedceral minister of health wanted to do during the early stage of the pandemic, was just blocked down and "killed" by the states. Merkel as well is not above the minisiter presidents. As a matter of fact she got dismantled of her appealing authority in this pandemic some weeks ago, and de facto has no say anymore. Before, the state'S agreement with the chancellor's office was just voluntary, not mandatory.

German federalism is totally different to for example France with its not federalist, but extremely centralist organisation. Thats probabvly also the reason why the French so often can outmanouver the Germans although the Germans are financially and economically significantly stronger. This relative weakness of Germany was wanted by design. For example the French did not agree to reunificaiton as long as the Germans did not accept the premature and early implementation of the Euro and the giving-up of the D-Mark: same logic at work.

[Skybird]

Na bitte, geht doch:

two conditions I said must be fulfilled that I would consider to use any Corona warning app: data had to be temporarily stored on contacted smartphones only, and no centralised storage on external servers taking place, and second the source code had to be published so that external computer experts could check it for abuse options, backdoors, etc. The state already had failed with the central data storage and fell back, saying weeks ago this strategy for centralised storage would not be followed anymore, and today Telekom reports the source code had been fully published today, they already got feedback and suggestions from 65 thousand hobby and professional coders, they said.



The app should be available later in June. France already has one in ction - and it gets heavily criticised, said to be unreliable and has centralised data storage beyond transparency of control by the public (whose data get stored here).


If the CCC experts, for example, say it is good, I am willing to use it.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmFm2N_gFTQ

[Jimbuna]

US officials urge protesters who took to the streets in recent days to get tested or self-isolate.

There have been large protests over the death of an unarmed black man at the hands of police in the US and beyond.

UK coronavirus testing capacity passes 200,000, beating the government's target, but far fewer tests are actually being carried out.

Communities Minister Robert Jenrick confirms that some 2.2 million people shielding in England and Wales can go outside from Monday.

Worshippers are returning to Jerusalem's al-Aqsa mosque - the third holiest site in Islam - after a two-month lockdown.

Brazil passes France to have the fourth highest death toll in the world.

Reflecting on lockdowns easing, Pope Francis tells worshippers at St Peter's Square that protecting health is more important than the economy.

Confirmed coronavirus cases across the world have now exceeded six million, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

Spain has recorded its lowest number of new infections in almost three months, with 96 new cases reported on Sunday. Just two deaths were recorded.

By comparison the UK recorded 1,936 new confirmed cases and 113 deaths today. In Italy the numbers were 355 infections and 75 deaths.

There was positive news in Poland as the country recorded the fewest coronavirus infections in two months.
Sunday's figures released by the health ministry show there were 219 new cases recorded, down from 416 on Saturday.
The number of virus-related deaths fell to three from 10 on Saturday. The total number of cases so far is 23,786 with 1,064 deaths.

South Africa has had one of the world's toughest coronavirus lockdowns - people have even been barred from buying alcohol.

Pope Francis said on Sunday that healing people was "more important" than the economy, as countries around the world continue to ease lockdown restrictions.

Afghanistan's public health ministry is warning of an impending catastrophe as confirmed coronavirus cases pass 15,000

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has requested a "final extension" to the country's state of emergency "to finish with the pandemic once and for all"

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/BQ12kMr4/d5bae6f5-6965-469e-872b-957c805af792.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[mapuc]

It's Covid-19 Related.

This is way too hilarious.

Now, a company is offering a solution to this non-existent threat. For just a few hundreds of dollars, you can get protection in the form of a USB stick with a sticker on it. The company, 5GBioShield, has revealed its "first to market full-spectrum protection" system for "remediation against all harmful radiation, electro-smog, and biohazard pollution", also known as a data stick that's a bit shiny.

https://www.iflscience.com/technology/300-anti5g-bioshield-turns-out-to-be-usb-stick-with-a-sticker-on-it/?fbclid=IwAR3G0ILT5ePn5I10GdBUT5JhQ96CnJo14pdBufG6 lhHXbjjlR6Titmq5P_s

Clever in a way, taking advantage of peoples conspiratorial fear.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

It's Covid-19 Related.

This is way too hilarious.



https://www.iflscience.com/technology/300-anti5g-bioshield-turns-out-to-be-usb-stick-with-a-sticker-on-it/?fbclid=IwAR3G0ILT5ePn5I10GdBUT5JhQ96CnJo14pdBufG6 lhHXbjjlR6Titmq5P_s

Clever in a way, taking advantage of peoples conspiratorial fear.

Markus

So how many did you buy, Markus? :D

[mapuc]

So how many did you buy, Markus? :D

The correct question would be
So how many have you sold Markus?

A lot, incredible there was so many who believe in this
Soon I can buy this island.

Markus

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiyTrJehvbU



EXCLUSIVE: The coronavirus that has become a world-wide pandemic may have been created in a “cell-culture experiment” in a laboratory, according to prominent scientists who have conducted ground-breaking research into the origins of the virus. Flinders University Professor Nikolai Petrovsky has completed a scientific study, currently undergoing peer review, in conjunction with La Trobe University in Victoria, which found COVID-19 was uniquely adapted for transmission to humans, far more than any other animal, including bats. Professor Petrovsky, from the College of Medicine and Public Health at Flinders University who has spent the past 20 years developing vaccines against pandemic influenza, Ebola and animal SARS, said this highly unusual finding left open the possibility that the virus leaked from a laboratory. “The two possibilities which I think are both still open is that it was a chance transmission of a virus from an as yet unidentified animal to human. The other possibility is that it was an accidental release of the virus from a laboratory,” he said. “Certainly we can’t exclude the possibility that this came from a laboratory experiment rather than from an animal. They are both open possibilities.” Professor Petrovsky, who is the Chairman and Research Director of Vaxine Pty Ltd, said COVID-19 has genetic elements similar to bat coronaviruses as well as other coronaviruses. The way coronavirus enters human cells is by binding to a protein on the surface of lung-cells called ACE2. The study showed the virus bound more tightly to human-ACE2 than to any of the other animals they tested. “It was like it was designed to infect humans,” he said. “One of the possibilities is that an animal host was infected by two coronaviruses at the same time and COVID-19 is the progeny of that interaction between the two viruses. “The same process can happen in a petri-dish. If you have cells in culture and you have human cells in that culture which the viruses are infecting, then if there are two viruses in that dish, they can swap genetic information and you can accidentally or deliberately create a whole third new virus out of that system. “In other words COVID-19 could have been created from that recombination event in an animal host or it could have occurred in a cell-culture experiment.” Professor Petrovsky was originally modelling the virus in January to prepare a vaccine candidate. He then turned his attention to “explore what animal species might have been involved in the transmission to humans” to understand the origins of the virus - and had a “surprising” result when none were well-adapted. “We found that the COVID-19 virus was particularly well-adapted to bind to human cells and that was far superior to its ability to bind to the cells of any other animal species which is quite unusual because typically when a virus is well-adapted to an animal and then it by chance crosses to a human, typically, you would expect it to have lower-binding to human cells than to the original host animal. We found the opposite so that was a big surprise,” he said. Scientists worldwide have, to date, overwhelmingly said the virus was more likely originated in a wet-market and was not created in a laboratory. Even the United States Office of National Intelligence ruled out COVID-19 being created in a laboratory. Asked why scientists have had this view, Professor Petrovsky said scientists “try not to be political” and do not want their research impacted adversely by tighter laboratory controls. “We just try to base our findings on facts rather than taking particular political positions but sometimes obviously the alternatives may have unintended consequences,” he said. “For instance, if it was to turn out that this virus may have come about because of an accidental lab release that would have implications for how we do viral research in laboratories all around the world which could make doing research much harder. “So I think the inclination of virus researchers would be to presume that it came from an animal until proven otherwise because that would have less ramifications for how we are able to do research in the future. The alternative obviously has quite major implications for science and science on viruses, not just obviously political ramifications which we’re all well aware of.” Professor Petrovsky said an inquiry needs to start straight away, not when the pandemic is finished. “The idea of putting it off to the pandemic is over, it would be a mistake,” he said. “I’m certainly very much in favour of a scientific investigation. It’s only objective should be to get to the bottom of how did this pandemic happen and how do we prevent a future pandemic…. not to have a witch-hunt.”

Sorry, the paragraphs do not copy over.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lM_KKUWRMo

[Jimbuna]

Some pupils are returning to primary schools in England but many will stay at home.

Other measures are also being eased in England - there are fears steps are being taken too quickly.

Many European countries are lifting restrictions further - some even opening cafes, museums and cinemas.

South Africans can buy alcohol for the first time in two months but the reopening of schools is delayed.

The Philippine capital Manila, home to 12 million people, has exited a lockdown in place since mid-March.

The number of confirmed cases in Brazil passes half a million.

Globally, there have been 6.1m confirmed cases and 371,000 deaths linked to Covid-19

[Mr Quatro]

The correct question would be
So how many have you sold Markus?

A lot, incredible there was so many who believe in this
Soon I can buy this island.

Markus

Good come back Markus ... I didn't know you could be funny :up:

You are always so serious ... So be it ... King of your own island :yep:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idn-DTjBznc

[Mr Quatro]

^ according to Monday's update

What's going to happen June 15th to the black and brown and white numbers?

Will the new sick people admit they were the protesters? :o

[Skybird]

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/27/science.abc6197



Aerosol transmission of viruses must be acknowledged as a key factor leading to the spread of infectious respiratory diseases. Evidence suggests that SARS-CoV-2 is silently spreading in aerosols exhaled by highly contagious infected individuals with no symptoms. Owing to their smaller size, aerosols may lead to higher severity of COVID-19 because virus-containing aerosols penetrate more deeply into the lungs. It is essential that control measures be introduced to reduce aerosol transmission.

[Catfish]

The correct question would be
So how many have you sold Markus?
A lot, incredible there was so many who believe in this
Soon I can buy this island.
:rotfl2: :D

[mapuc]

(My kingdom for a Browser only for subsim forum- And who works)

I really don't know what words I should use in this.

I know Skybird have mentioned it and I have in some comments.

The shortage of food.

One of the reason should be closed border...those thousands of Polish, Romanians and other workers from Eastern Europe who use to take the trip to Germany, Sweden, Denmark and other European countries in the west during spring, summer and autumn was prevented doing so.

In Sweden the government found a solution give the right type of people who have lost their job a 14 days education in either Farming or Forrest industry.
Later the Swedish government made some loophole in this Corona law which gives workers from these countries right to work with Farming and Forrest industry.

Since some days ago, these education have stopped. Reason the people who owns farming and Forrest industry are more interested in workers from Eastern Europe and not Swedish workers.

It's about money and nothing else.

These jobs they do, is something you can learned in a day or two.

So if there should be a shortage of food in Sweden-There's a group of people you can blame-Those who own these farm and forrest.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Just an FYI if anyone is interested in knowing who is developing COVID-19 vaccine and the stage of research.


https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker


COVID-19 vaccine tracker

Posted 01 June 2020 | By Jeff Craven

Researchers worldwide are working around the clock to find a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing the COVID-19 pandemic. Experts estimate that a fast-tracked vaccine development process could speed a successful candidate to market in approximately 12-18 months – if the process goes smoothly from conception to market availability.

This tracker lists COVID-19 vaccine candidates currently in Phase 1-3 trials, as well as major candidates in pre-clinical stages of development and research. Information will be updated weekly. If you notice an issue with this data or wish to submit an update, please email Focus at news@raps.org.

Updated 1 June to include new information on Moderna's vaccine candidates.

[Reece]

Experts estimate that a fast-tracked vaccine development process could speed a successful candidate to market in approximately 12-18 months Lockdowns for that long!!! :dead:

[Mr Quatro]

Watch how many rich people, sports people and VIP's are willing to pay big bucks to get it first?

Then again they could be the first for something to go wrong too :yep:

[em2nought]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiyTrJehvbU



Sorry, the paragraphs do not copy over.


So the people investigating covid-19 have a vested interest in it not being found to have originated in a lab. That's just dandy! :up:

[vienna]

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis --

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext





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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AdGxaADGDM

[Jimbuna]

India registers a new record daily spike with 8,392 fresh infections, even as country eases restrictions.
The world's second most populous nation now has 190,000 cases, including 5,394 deaths.

The number of people with Covid-19 to die in Mexico passes 10,000

In Australia, officials confirm the country's "youngest victim" did not in fact have Covid-19
Ministers have apologised for the misdiagnosis, which led to relatives being quarantined.

Singapore says it will build new, less cramped workers' dormitories.

Globally, there have been 6.2m confirmed cases and 375,000 deaths since the outbreak began.

[Jimbuna]

On Tuesday, France officially entered Phase 2 of its lockdown easing. Bars and restaurants reopen – though only the terraces in Paris - a 100km (62-mile) limit on travel has been lifted, and more schools are restarting classes.

Russia has confirmed 8,863 new cases and 182 new deaths, bringing its total number of infections to 423,741. The capital Moscow began lifting its lockdown on Monday, but some say the decision was political.

Czech Republic officials have announced a new traffic light system for travel. Europe is divided into green, amber and red countries with different movement restrictions. Sweden and the UK are both designated red for now.

Montenegro is due to declare its epidemic over. Provided no new infections are reported overnight, it will have gone 28 days without any new cases.

[Skybird]

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis --

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

<O>
In a nutshell:

Findings


Our search identified 172 observational studies across 16 countries and six continents, with no randomised controlled trials and 44 relevant comparative studies in health-care and non-health-care settings (n=25 697 patients). Transmission of viruses was lower with physical distancing of 1 m or more, compared with a distance of less than 1 m [...] protection was increased as distance was lengthened [...]. Face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection[...) with stronger associations with N95 or similar respirators compared with disposable surgical masks or similar [...]Eye protection also was associated with less infection [...] Unadjusted studies and subgroup and sensitivity analyses showed similar findings.
Interpretation

The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed by these findings and contextual factors. Robust randomised trials are needed to better inform the evidence for these interventions, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence might inform interim guidance.

[Platapus]

I am surprised that some of the Indian cities have not had more outbreaks than reported

[vienna]

One of the reasons I pointed out, at the start of Covid-19 reporting by countries, the numbers being made public were hinky and just seemed somewhat statistically dubious...





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[Mr Quatro]

I wonder how the new vapor lock beds are working in Russia?

Sounds like a good plan to isolate patients maybe even space air suits would work with NASA space helmet's.

You know these respirators they have stick halfway down ones throat :o

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ern-3ZMwU

[Jimbuna]

Health Secretary Matt Hancock led the UK briefing.
He was challenged by reporters on high deaths rates, especially among BAME communities in the UK
He said he was working with the UK Statistics Authority to " make sure statistics constantly improved", following criticism.

People from ethnic minorities are at a higher risk of dying from the disease, a report by Public Health England says.

UK MPs voted against an amendment which would have allowed remote voting in the House of Commons to continue.

Bars and restaurants are opening in France for the first time since lockdown.

India registers a new record daily spike with 8,392 fresh infections, even as country eases restrictions.

The number of people with Covid-19 to die in Mexico passes 10,000

Globally, there have been 6.2m confirmed cases and 375,000 deaths since the outbreak began.

[vienna]

Here's a potentially interesting twist on the nature of Covid-19:


Coronavirus May Be a Blood Vessel Disease, Which Explains Everything --

https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2





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[Catfish]

Read about the linings of blood vessels and what Covid19 does to it, but this (^) is a bit unsettling.

[Catfish]

What a US exit from the WHO means for COVID-19 and global health (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01586-0)

"If the US pulls out and leaves a vacuum, it will be filled by other countries, like China,” [...] “You’ll see a self-fulfilling prophecy.”"

[ikalugin]

Russia has confirmed 8,863 new cases and 182 new deaths, bringing its total number of infections to 423,741. The capital Moscow began lifting its lockdown on Monday, but some say the decision was political.


We do not want to inflict such a hardship to get US style riots.

[vienna]

Read about the linings of blood vessels and what Covid19 does to it, but this (^) is a bit unsettling.


It is that, but, hey, man, it just a flu, bro... :03:


Something to consider when dealing with the idea of a cure or vaccine for Covid-19:

Viruses were first confirmed to exist circa 1896; in the intervening 124 years, how many viruses have been eradicated by human science and medicine?...

...class? ...class? ...Bueller?

The answer is exactly one (1) virus has been declared as eradicated and that's smallpox and eradication is a tricky term here; it doesn't really mean it absolutely no longer exists, just that it is no longer in "the wild" and can only be found in highly controlled labs; the possibility still remains some form of smallpox may still be lurking out there yet to be discovered...

Science/medicine has not been able to get anywhere near the level of eradication claimed for smallpox; the common cold, the flu, herpes, hepatitis, Ebola, SARS , even rabies, among other diseases, caused by viruses still plague humanity all without any cure, just treatments for symptoms or vaccines to hopefully mitigate the possibility of contracting the various viral diseases, and, at that, the vaccines are often of short term effect (there is a reason we have to keep getting flu shots once a year); the flu vaccine itself is a rather hit or miss proposition with medical experts trying to predict two or three of the possible flu strains to surface in a given year and fashioning a sort of 'vaccine cocktail' to try and fend off cases of the flu; sometimes the predictions can be off, resulting in a wider spread of flu viruses than expected or wished...

The only viral disease for which science/medicine has been able to get close to 'eradicating' is polio and even then the disease still pops up here and there...

All this makes the vaunted claims of a miraculous vaccine or cure for Covid-19 to be found in the coming months something to be taken with heavy grains of salt; based on past track records in fighting various past viral diseases, years may be a more realistic time frame rather than months...

...and then there is the specter of possible/probable mutations to have to deal with...


I really do hope at least treatment is found, if not an actual cure, but I'm not holding my breath: when it comes to viruses, those near invisible buggers have us complex sentient organisms beat by a long mile...







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[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vT9BV8-0TA

[Jimbuna]

Travellers from most European countries will be allowed into Italy from Wednesday, with no quarantine.

Italy is also lifting restrictions on domestic travel, allowing people to move between regions.

The UK government defends its 14-day quarantine for travellers, which begins on Monday.

The Lancet "raises concern" about a hydroxychloroquine study that caused the WHO to suspend trials.

Brazil's death toll exceeds 30,000, the highest in South America.

Globally, there have been almost 6.4m confirmed cases and 379,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

Germany will remove its general warning against travel to European countries from 15 June, the German foreign minister said on Wednesday.
However it will continue to advise against travel to Britain for as long as the UK government continues to demand a 14-day quarantine for new arrivals.

Russia has reported 8,536 new coronavirus cases and 178 deaths on Wednesday, bringing its nationwide infection tally to 432,277, the third highest in the world.
In total 5,215 people are confirmed to have died with the virus there.

China says a news report claiming it delayed sharing information on Covid-19 with the World Health Organization is totally untrue.

The US embassy in Tanzania has issued a fresh travel advisory for American citizens regarding the coronavirus pandemic in the country.

Italy has reopened its borders and ended travel restrictions between regions, hoping to encourage tourists back in time for the summer. The country was the first in Europe hit hard by the outbreak and has recorded more than 33,000 deaths.

Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, has conceded that too many have died in Sweden. The country is one of the few in Europe that has not imposed a strict lockdown. He told Sveriges Radio: “If we encountered the same disease with exactly what we know about it today, I think we would land midway between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did”

The reproduction rate has risen to 1.95 in Berlin, authorities said – meaning each infected person in the German capital is passing the virus on to nearly two others. Berlin’s health minister Dilek Kolat said it showed a “trend reversal”

The German city of Göttingen wants to test all 700 residents of a residential complex after an outbreak following private Eid al-Fitr celebrations.

And Ukrainian football team Karpaty Lviv has been placed in quarantine for two weeks after 25 players and staff tested positive for the virus. The club’s next two games have been cancelled.

[Skybird]

They are testing Ibuprofen now. :)

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52894638


That it goes back and forth with this and other drugs in trials, shows that we still know not much about this virus. The ever growing, sometimes changing list of symptomatic descriptions underlines that.

[vienna]

Then there is the possibility they are not dealing with a strain of the virus, but, rather, strains of the virus, each having its own properties...





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[Platapus]

Has there ever been a single strain of a virus? I always thought that mutation was one of the key characteristics of a virus... and why they are hard to mitigate.

[Skybird]

As I predicted: I know why I got so angry about all that applause for nurses and hospital staff weeks ago. Cheap waste of time. The following is from an intensive care nurse working on a corona station in Berlin. Like many other nurses, he is desillusionised, and angry. On average Germna jurses must work 5-10 years longer than colleagues in other countries, and are so badly paid that they face an above-average risk of high age poverty after retirement. At the same time the job they do, even without Corona, is a bone wrecker. Nurses in caretaking homes for elde rpeopel now got a 1000 Euros payment: No regular raise for wages, not more personell being hired).


The "demonstration" that it is about. Last Sunday in Berlin:
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/-/25878358/1-format1007.jpg






"Can our work get ridiculed even more?"


(Techno fans recently demonstrated on the water, Ricardo Lange is a nurse in a Berlin intensive care unit.)

It was nine weeks ago that I complained about clapping people on the balconies. At the time I was afraid that the applause would not be followed by any action. Too bad I was right.

Nothing has sounded from the balconies for a long time. Techno has recently been buzzing from rubber dinghies across the Landwehr Canal. The videos of the celebrants in the urban harbor on Pentecost Sunday really took me away.

I understand that young people have some catching up to do. I understand that club operators are entrepreneurs who fear for their existence. But does such a party have to take place in front of a hospital?

Patients and their caregivers fight for life in them. People need rest. Even without Corona and the possible consequences of this rave, I ask myself: can we ridicule our work even more?

But also in terms of politics, what I feared has happened. Because we - fortunately - have a good grip on the pandemic in Germany, talk shows no longer discuss care.

Jens Spahn's [the German health ministre] promises of a "Corona Bonus" have only reached a part of the "everyday heroes", the outpatient and elderly care workers who deserve it, of course.

However, nothing has arrived for me and my colleagues in the intensive care units, even though we are among those who have been in close contact with Covid 19 patients for weeks. Eleven percent of all people infected with the virus in Germany work in medical professions - we are still exposed to a particular risk.

Our working conditions have also become more difficult due to the wearing of (sometimes incomplete) protective clothing. The applause remained as a sign of appreciation.

My wishes for politics have not changed, even if there were no mountains of corpses like in New York or Bergamo. Corona did show us that the need for care is serious.

Verdi [German union] assumes 80,000 full-time positions, and the Böckler Foundation [socialist foundation attached to the German unions] even assumes 100,000 full-time positions that are missing in clinics. Young colleagues who are trained by us often throw in the towel after a few weeks because the working conditions are too hard for them. And many of my colleagues are older and will soon retire, who's coming?

I know intensive care nurses who had to be quarantined because of unprotected contact with a Covid 19 patient, who according to the health authority were not even able to bring the garbage down without being fined - but still had to go to work (with the risk of infecting already weakened patients). The reason? Of course, lack of staff!

The state is supporting Lufthansa with nine billion euros, and the auto industry is to help a new purchase bonus. And U.S?
Retirement age should be reduced

I hope that the retirement age for caregivers in shift work will be reduced. 67 is too late - we've already lost so much of our lives.

I would like better pay for the core workforce at the clinics: Those who work shifts and are responsible for human life should, including surcharges, earn 3,000 euros net.

I also hope that Jens Spahn will introduce correct minimum staff levels. Because of Corona they were loosened up, but even before that they didn't fit in with reality: They were viewed as average values, and so it happened that in some shifts I had to look after four patients intensively - instead of a maximum of 2.5 patients per nurse in the day shift and 3.5 patients per caregiver in the night shift. That makes a huge difference!
[I know of nurses who look after a dozen patients, this means not he is asking too much, this means only that thign sare much, much worse in parts of Germany, Skybird].


We need a clear definition in absolute numbers. So: A maximum of two patients per caregiver in the day and three per caregiver in the night shift. Especially since a few hospitals understood the lower and upper limits and even reduced staff.

And I wish that the rubber boat orgy from last weekend had no consequences. Because although I read that the number of Covid 19 patients in the intensive care units is falling in some clinics - with us they have increased significantly since last week.

[Ricardo Lange works as a nurse in a Berlin intensive care unit. ]
He says he wishes the partying plebs not to get ill. Well, I do. To drive by this hopefully some reason in their brutally egoist minds. Many will get infected by them who do not deserve it and are innocent, were not there. The R-value in Berlin last days was 1.9 and higher, is rising across all of Germany since almost a week, is above 1.0: it was down to 0.4 short time ago, and then the sun came out and stupid people flipped out. Christz9an Drosteh recently said he saw a chance that we could evade a second wave. That was before last weekend. If summer looks like this weekend's scenes, then he will soon eat his words.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFsP6cG2ho0

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CWsJTTHXBA

[Skybird]

Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has said the Swedish strategy designed by him has worked for more deaths than necessary. There were obviously "too many deaths", he said. He explained it with homes for the elderly having been unable to keep the virus out. He nevertheless also said that the Swedish strategy has not failed in total. A matter of perspective, I would say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717

Last time I read comparing numbers, a week or ten days ago, the mortality rate in Sweden was three times as high as in its Scandinavian neighbours and 3.5 or 3.8 times higher than in Germany.

[August]

Governments and WHO changed Covid-19 policy based on suspect data from tiny US company

Surgisphere, whose employees appear to include a sci-fi writer and adult content model, provided database behind Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine hydroxychloroquine studies

Questions surrounding Surgisphere have been growing in the medical community for the past few weeks.
On 22 May the Lancet published a blockbuster peer-reviewed study which found the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, which has been promoted by Donald Trump, was associated with a higher mortality rate in Covid-19 patients and increased heart problems.
Trump, much to the dismay of the scientific community, had publicly touted hydroxychloroquine as a “wonder drug” despite no evidence of its efficacy for treating Covid-19.
The Lancet study, which listed Desai as one of the co-authors, claimed to have analysed Surgisphere data collected from nearly 15,000 patients with Covid-19, admitted to 1,200 hospitals around the world, who received hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with antibiotics.
The negative findings made global news and prompted the WHO to halt the hydroxychloroquine arm of its global trials.
But only days later Guardian Australia revealed glaring errors in the Australian data included in the study. The study said researchers gained access to data through Surgisphere from five hospitals, recording 600 Australian Covid-19 patients and 73 Australian deaths as of 21 April.
But data from Johns Hopkins University shows only 67 deaths from Covid-19 had been recorded in Australia by 21 April. The number did not rise to 73 until 23 April. Desai said one Asian hospital had accidentally been included in the Australian data, leading to an overestimate of cases there. The Lancet published a small retraction related to the Australian findings after the Guardian’s story, its only amendment to the study so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

[Skybird]

If it works, why not:



Interview with Hans Lehrach: Genome researchers: "Can eliminate coronavirus in a few weeks even without a vaccine"

According to genome researcher Hans Lehrach, no vaccine is necessary to reduce the R value of Sars-CoV-2 to zero. Instead, he developed another strategy to stop the virus - testing millions of people a day. He explains how this can work in an interview with FOCUS Online.

131 research projects, over 40 participating countries. Never before has the development of a vaccine been at top speed as in the fight against the corona virus. Because there is great hope in this material to curb the spread of the pathogen and finally return to normal.

Processes that used to be staggered in time are now running in parallel. What used to take ten to 20 years is now to be achieved within one year. However, it is not yet clear when the vaccine will actually be available, when we can get vaccinated.

Genome researcher Hans Lehrach therefore takes a different approach. He says: We can stop the corona pandemic without a vaccine - and within a few weeks.
About the expert

Hans Lehrach is a specialist in gene sequencing, director of the Max Planck Institute for Molecular Genetics in Berlin and founder of Alacris Theranostics, which has registered patents for the use of sequencing in the Covid 19 pandemic. Together with genetic engineer George Church from Harvard Medical School, he is committed to strengthening genome research.

FOCUS Online: Mr. Lehrach, you have developed a strategy to curb the spread of the coronavirus. A vaccine doesn't matter - what does your method look like instead?

Hans Lehrach: Well, in theory it is actually quite simple: we have to systematically interrupt the infection cycle. Around 80 million people live in Germany and around 400 million in the European Schengen area. If you were to test all these people in a closed room, i.e. the national or Schengen borders, you would have a clear picture of the infection process.

Infected people would then have to remain in quarantine for at least 14 days, until they are no longer contagious. The number of reproductions would drop to zero within a very short time. We would have eliminated the virus within four to five weeks.

FOCUS Online: How exactly could this strategy be implemented?

Lehrach: My suggestion would be to send people kits with several tubes with which they can carry out multiple tests themselves. For example, once a week for five weeks. The person puts some saliva in one of the test tubes and takes it to a collection point, for example in the pharmacy.

The tubes are then collected and sent to a test center, further processed by machines and analyzed using certain techniques.

FOCUS Online: Which technology is it exactly?

Lehrach: Our strategy is to make use of DNA sequencing technology, i.e. the determination of the components that make up the genetic material. The process is as follows: First, people are provided with sample tubes that are marked with a barcode.
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These tubes are clearly identified by a barcode. However, they also contain a molecular barcode: a short DNA sequence that uniquely identifies the test tube to the person who performed the test. The person's information is then linked to the DNA sequence that represents the test result.

It is therefore only a small part of the test that actually has to be carried out on the sample itself. In the case of Germany, around 80 million samples. This process would have to be automated. We can then pour all the samples together, process and analyze them using high-performance machines. This can be done very quickly, in a single sequencing run that may take a day, we could test the entire European population.
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FOCUS Online: And then you determine whether a person has been infected with Sars-CoV-2?

Lehrach: Exactly, we are investigating whether and how many virus genomes are in the saliva sample - i.e. how concentrated the pathogen is in the human body.

However, we could also find other health information in the same samples, we could test the sample for other viruses, or we could determine certain molecular characteristics of the test person that could be important for the treatment.



FOCUS Online: If it's actually that simple - why haven't we been pursuing this strategy for a long time?

Lehrach: Well, of course there are very big logistical problems at the beginning. There are organizational and technical hurdles, and capacities have to be created to carry out millions of tests every day. But in the end there were and were such hurdles. They were also there to send a person to the moon and bring them back - and yet we mastered them. Then we'll do it too.

FOCUS Online: Above all, money is necessary to create these capacities ...

Lehrach: That's right, a lot of money would have to be spent on these tests. However, if you compare this sum with the financial resources that are spent on short-time work for the rescue of companies - then it is very small.

A test probably only costs a few euros per person. No matter whether two or five euros - it is still cheaper than financing a lockdown for months. If 500 million Europeans sit at home for months, it costs a lot more money than testing them all.

FOCUS Online: Others may have other objections, for example do not want to be tested.

Lehrach: There are people who see a test as an interference with their personality. In practice, however, only the health authorities know which person is behind a test. The information that is derived from whether a person is infected or not is no longer valid after a few weeks.

After the quarantine, the person is no longer sick, no longer contagious - and this information is irrelevant. So people shouldn't see this as an encroachment on their personal rights.

FOCUS Online: Suppose there is the technical infrastructure, you carry out these tests, quarantine everyone infected. What would happen to the virus?

Lehrach: If the logistical problems were solved, we could eliminate the virus - or at least reduce it to a really trivial number of cases. We can reduce the R-factor to zero in a single period - in a few weeks.

FOCUS Online: So this method would anticipate a vaccine months.

Lehrach: If not years. Developing a vaccine to be used by the entire world population that is safe for everyone - it takes time. In addition: this is certainly not the last pandemic. Maybe the next one will come next year. Maybe the next virus is much more dangerous.

Then a Sars CoV-2 vaccine won't help us. Then we need infrastructure and technology to contain it. To get it under control before it threatens the whole world. Because the population-wide test approach that we propose for Covid-19 can be adapted to other, new viruses in a very short time. We have to master these technical challenges at an early stage - and I think there are already a few good ideas for this.

I only think he underestmates the irrationality and brutal nacrcissim of some people who will object to getting tested. That cannot be overcome by rational arguments.

[Skybird]

Meanwhile the WHO once again weasel around and reocmmnded further trials of Hydroxychloroquine, abandoning further fears it might raise mortality rates amongst Covid 19 patients.

https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731

https://zenodo.org/record/3862789#.XtDHxflKipr

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/28/questions-raised-over-hydroxychloroquine-study-which-caused-who-to-halt-trials-for-covid-19

I found that claim dubious form beginning on. The drug and two related drugs have been given out to US sodliers over years, hundreds of thosuands if not millions have taken it during the Vietnam war and before - kortality never was a topic for dabte back then or since then. My quarrel with the debate around Hydroxychloroquine always was that an effectiveness of it was claimed by unknowing laymen that in no way was scientifcally founded or cinfirmed in trials. We simply still do not know whether it works or not. So nobody should already claim that it does work.

[vienna]

The problem with Hydroxychloroquine is, although it has been used for many years for a number of conditions, it seems to have either very, very little effect on Covid-19 in comparison with other treatments and seems to have an aggravating effect on soe patients with accompanying underlying conditions leading to an increased risk of mortality; even in its other uses as a treatment, Hydroxychloroquine is used with great care given the many side-effects known to the drug- it is not a casual use medication like an OTC drug...

Remember, Hydroxychloroquine and other quinine based derivatives were created because the source drug, quinine, was found to have so many unpleasant and even dangerous side effects and the various derivatives aren't really much better at side effect mitigation; of all the derivatives, I can't think of any, nor have I been able to find not of one, that produce the benefits of quinine without any of the bad side effects...

Yes, it has been used for years and even been administered to soldiers, but it has also been found to be so risky its use is most often a sort of 'remedy of last resort' situation where the cure may not be of the best but the untreated malady is even worse...

I also have some doubt s about the claim made by Trump of his use of Hydroxychloroquine; consider this: you are a President's doctor, one of the very most high profile medical positions in the world and your healthy patient demands you to administer to him/her a drug that could have severe health detriments; by the nature of your profession and the moral and ethical standard of "Do No Harm", it goes against that to needlessly and with risk to comply with the demand, and there is also a legal and professional risk if the 'treatment' goes awry; essentially poisoning or maiming the POTUS does not look very good on your CV and the debacle could led to you losing your license to practice medicine; add to this the possibility/probability of civil legal action and/or criminal action for your decision to comply given "you should have known better" as a basis for the legal actions; now, not complying also means you very well might find yourself out of a very prestigious job and having a bit of a black mark on your CV, not to mention another MD, with less moral and ethical consideration may just actually give POTUS the Hydroxychloroquine...

If it were me, I'd give the POTUS a treatment, but I would substitute, in secret, the Hydroxychloroquine with something like, say, a Vitamin-B shot, so the net effect is the POTUS is unharmed and the possibility that, if I didn't 'comply', some less ethical medico would actually risk harm to one of my patients...




<O>

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+campbell

[Jimbuna]

Mexico reports more than 1,000 daily deaths for the first time.

Brazil sets a new record of 1,349 daily deaths.

In the UK, Business Secretary Alok Sharma is self-isolating.

Prince Charles says he "got away quite lightly" when diagnosed in March.

Austria is reopening almost all its borders on Thursday.

Globally there have been 6.4m infections since the outbreak began, and 383,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

New figures show that, over the past week, 1.8 million people made unemployment claims in the US. The rate of increase in joblessness has slowed down, but the number of people out of work still remains very high – since late March 42 million people have filed for benefits.

Public faith in Swedish authorities has dropped significantly, as the coronavirus crisis continues, according to a new survey by major pollsters Novus.

The Republic of Ireland is set to move to the next phase of its relaxation of Covid-19 measures on Monday.

The coronavirus infection rate in Scotland has reduced slightly since last week, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said.
She said the R number - the measure of how many new people are infected by each case - is now between 0.7 and 0.9.
Last week, it was said to be 0.7 to 1.

A virtual vaccine summit hosted by the UK is getting under way, bringing political leaders from about 50 countries together with some of the world's wealthiest individuals and firms.

Another 3,574 cases have been confirmed in Iran - the highest daily figure since the outbreak began in February.

Health officials in Hong Kong have begun evacuating residents from a public housing estate that's believed to be the site of a cluster of new cases.

In Argentina, President Alberto Fernández is expected to announce an extension of the lockdown until 21 June. The worst affected region is the capital, Buenos Aires, and the metropolitan area surrounding it. Out of the 949 new cases registered in the past day, all but 40 were in this area.

Some good news from Peru, where a 50-year-old woman who has Covid-19 has given birth to healthy twins. However, the situation in the country's hospitals is becoming increasingly critical with shortages of oxygen becoming more acute.

In Paraguay, a congressman took off his shirt in a parliamentary session in protest at the continuing closure of the border with Brazil. Bare-chested, Congressman Jorge Antonio Brítez said the bridge linking the area he represents with Brazil should reopen as trade provided a key income to many. Brazil has the highest number of coronavirus cases in Latin America, and Paraguay closed its borders in mid-March to prevent the virus's spread.

Turkey plans to resume flights to 40 countries this month - and has reached provisional reciprocal agreements with 15 countries.

[Mr Quatro]

How long do you think it will take before the world finds out which countries have been lying about the Covid-19 cases and deaths from and patients healed?

I bet my country has been the most honest or at least more honest than China, Japan and of course Russia. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Don't forget Iran.

[Jimbuna]

Transport secretary announces face coverings will be mandatory on public transport in England from 15 June.

Grant Shapps says people who don't comply while using buses, trains or aircraft will be refused travel, and could be fined.

Business Secretary Alok Sharma has tested negative for the virus after appearing to show symptoms in parliament.

France cancels its famous military parade for Bastille Day on 14 July as a health precaution.

The picture worsens in Latin America - Mexico for first time reports more than 1,000 daily deaths while Brazil announces a record 1,349 new deaths.

[mapuc]

Well they are grown-up most of them, my niece is only 15 years old.

My Mom, my elderly sister, my little sister and my niece have decided to take a trip to Sweden and visit some of our families and friends.

Said to my Mom yesterday. Think not twice but think over it several times.
Sweden is what I would consider as "Do not touch"

They will take care she said to me.

Markus

[Skybird]

Sweden is what I would consider as "Do not touch"



Yes indeed. Surströmming.



:D

[Catfish]

^ i fear the north wind.

[Jeff-Groves]

Our Company got the Grant so for several weeks We got full pay even though not on a job site.

Now that things are getting started back up?
Those same employees want over time if on a job site over 40 hours!

Never mind you got paid for sitting on your arses for weeks!
I am more then happy to trim the weeds in our Company!

They can go get in line for benefits then.

[Jimbuna]

The EU Commissioner for Home Affairs says states should reopen internal borders by end of June.

Ylva Johansson made the comments before a meeting of national ministers on Friday.

Some EU states have reopened some borders, but others remain closed.

In England, masks will be compulsory on public transport from 15 June.

Article that said hydroxychloroquine increases risk of death in coronavirus patients is withdrawn.

Peru declares oxygen a 'strategic resource' - meaning hospitals get priority on supplies.

Basketball teams in the NBA vote to resume matches on 31 July in Disneyworld, Florida.

Globally, there have been 6.6m cases since the outbreak began and 388,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

Drug company AstraZeneca is starting production of a potential vaccine for coronavirus even before trials have proven to be successful.

Face coverings will be handed out for free at a selection of Tube and bus stations from Monday, following the announcement they will become compulsory on public transport in England.

The Irish government is expected to approve the second phase of a roadmap for exiting the lockdown. It would allow some workplaces and small shops to reopen; extend the distance restriction on exercise from 5km to 20km; and let people visit the homes of those isolating, but with social distancing.

The world-famous Vienna Philharmonic is to give its first post-lockdown concert - Beethoven’s 5th Symphony - at Vienna’s Musikverein concert hall. It has capacity for 2,000 people, but under social distancing rules only 100 people can attend.

IAG - the parent company of British Airways - says it's thinking about launching a legal challenge against the UK government over a new rule that will require incoming travellers to quarantine for 14 days. Willie Walsh, chief executive of IAG, told Sky News earlier
that the "irrational" rule would "torpedo" the airline's chances of flying in July, and said there had been no consultation with the industry before the legislation was announced.

Carmaker Bentley says it's going to cut up to 1,000 jobs under a "voluntary release system", and that it can't rule out future compulsory redundancies.

Clothes retailer Gap has reported a loss close to $1bn (£792m) because of store closures due to the coronavirus. The company was $932m in the red for the three months to May - while during the same period last year it made a profit of $227m.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Xh9p7Q6Xs

[Mr Quatro]

Globally, there have been 6.6m cases since the outbreak began and 388,000 deaths.

At least we've gone from counting the dead in the USA from Covid-19 to counting the dead in the street :o

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MREHkAo9ZkA

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52945210

Okay. Better late than never. Really...? Well, maybe not if being late is the system by which somebody plays constantly, making him being late every time. All the time. Always.

Honestly said in all this virus story I cannot recall a single information they gave or a single action of theirs or a single role they played or a single suggestion they made, that was not useless, late, pointless, or even simply wrong.

Such a WHO I have no use for. Havce they achieved, contributed anything useful so far? All studies that I got aware of in media who confirmed something or found something of constructive value, would have gotten there without a WHO as well, sicne they started their work without the WHO anyway. And when they presneted their findings, the wHo often ignored or delayed it.


By tendency, I would voice the same criticism about the Germ,an Robert Koch Institute. Things went well in Germany so far - but I feel not due to the RKI, but despite the RKI.

I am princirpally cirtical of multi-naitonal big bureaucratruic mionster organisaiton loike the UN and here the WHO. And the WHO once again confirmed my scepticism. Their nifnakmoius role of naively hoping to get China playing ball by praising them although knowing they were lying, also does not score to the WHO's account.

They even took over 6 weeks to realise and anounce that the by definition already running pandemic was de facto a pandemic.

:hmph:

[em2nought]

At least we've gone from counting the dead in the USA from Covid-19 to counting the dead in the street :o


After caging the animals of all shades (including white) for too many months, one could argue that those are covid-19 deaths as well. :hmmm:



Maybe we just need to follow that Purge movie and make all crime legal one night a year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Purge_(2013_film)

[Jimbuna]

Here are five things you need to know about the coronavirus outbreak today.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52945768

[August]

Imagine that. :03:



Russia Developing Coronavirus Treatment That Disinfects the Body With UV Light From Inside


Scientists in Russia are developing a treatment for coronavirus that uses ultraviolet (UV) light to disinfect the body from the inside, Andrei Goverdovsky, from state nuclear agency Rosatom, has said.
In an interview with Country Rosatom (http://strana-rosatom.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/RSA_434_web.pdf), the agency's newsletter, Goverdovsky said physicists at the Institute of Physics and Power Engineering (IPPE) are currently developing methods to combat viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19. He said they have called the project "luminous gas."




https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350?fbclid=IwAR2ayhUBineQZnPslqAsYNJvDWqXo7SSt JWwDtrcaY9RwTF2RlxJUCK0A-4

[ikalugin]

Not a new idea.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvWQZxADiCI

[Jimbuna]

The number of people confirmed to have died of coronavirus globally has passed 400,000 - Johns Hopkins.

Big anti-racism rallies have taken place around the world despite warnings about the spread of the virus.

Health Secretary for England Matt Hancock says protests risk spreading the virus.

As many as 60 million people could be pushed into "extreme poverty" by Covid-19, the World Bank warns.

Brazil has removed months of virus data from a government website amid criticism over its handling of the outbreak.

A far-right rally in Rome against the Italian government's response to the pandemic has turned violent.

The president of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele, has vetoed emergency coronavirus legislation that would have seen the easing of restrictions and a gradual reopening of the country's economy.

US Republican Senator Rick Scott has accused China of trying to "sabotage" the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro's has been criticised repeatedly for his response to the coronavirus pandemic - from opposing lockdown measures to attending rallies without a face covering.
Brazil has more than 670,000 confirmed infections, but the number is believed to be much higher because of insufficient testing. Almost 36,000 people have died - the third-highest toll in the world, after the US and UK.

Russia has reported 8,984 new Covid-19 infections in the last 24 hours, bringing the total number of cases to 467,673.

[vienna]

Imagine that. :03:

...

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350?fbclid=IwAR2ayhUBineQZnPslqAsYNJvDWqXo7SSt JWwDtrcaY9RwTF2RlxJUCK0A-4


Not a new idea.


Indeed...




Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”? --

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/


...and a layman-friendly explanation of why "cures" or "treatments" such as internal UV applications and/or the use of cleansers such as bleach are very much bad ideas...


Here's What Disinfectants and UV Light Really Do to Your Body --

There’s a reason why cleaners for external surfaces are not meant for your innards. They’re indiscriminate killers, not medicine.

https://www.wired.com/story/heres-what-disinfectants-and-uv-light-really-do-to-your-body/


A good question to ask would be: "If you were faced with the choice of the possibility of being possibly maimed or killed by a disease or of the possibility of being possibly maimed or killed by a cure/treatment for that disease and neither of the two choices have fully known conditions/natures that would result in a predictive assurance, what would be you choice..."...







<O>

[August]

Not a new idea.


Yeah it's only new and scary when Trump mentions it.

[Mr Quatro]

As many as 60 million people could be pushed into "extreme poverty" by Covid-19, the World Bank warns.



These virus days of 2020 will lead to famine for many people in many countries along with global warming and lack of being ready for the famine. America itself may have to feed it's own people before they can help others.

It will of course start in third world countries and take awhile before it gets to ours .... The oil producing countries will have to put up some big bucks to feed the poor, of which the USA is a big oil producing country until we have to care about our own first.

You don't have enough room in you bunkers to be ready just be forewarned :yep:

[August]

The sky just might not be falling Chicken Little


Doctors across the world are offering preliminary but encouraging reports that the coronavirus may be losing steam and becoming less deadly: a behavior observed in at least one respiratory pandemic before, and a welcome sign for a world weary of nonstop COVID-19 fears. Optimism over the coronavirus has been in short supply since January, when public health officials and politicians began publicly and repeatedly speculating that COVID-19 may be a semi-permanent fixture of global life for the foreseeable future, possibly for years.
The phrase "the new normal" has become an omnipresent part of American life, with medical experts such as Dr. Anthony Fauci speculating that Americans may never shake each other's hands again, and some officials imagining that "social distancing" may persist into 2022 if not beyond.
But numerous prominent doctors and scientists in the last few weeks and months have begun to question that narrative, pointing to evidence that suggests the coronavirus may, unexpectedly, be dying out on its own.
Virus appears to behave the same regardless of lockdown measures
Yitzhak Ben Israel, a professor at Tel Aviv University, offered early speculation to that effect when in April he said, based on the observed behavior of the virus across the globe, that the virus appears to function more or less the same no matter what a country does to mitigate it. He said the virus appears to follow a fixed pattern in which there is "a decline in the number of infections even [in countries] without closures" that is "similar to the countries with closures."





https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/doctors-around-world-say-covid-19-losing-its-potency-becoming-less

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROOF2m5vS2I

[mapuc]

Talking about being off-line from the society

He had spent that time in silent meditation in a cabin in remote northwestern Vermont, where he is part of a Buddhist monastic community. During his 75 days in isolation, his hair had grown out. The last snow of winter had melted, and the trees had budded. Frogs had come out of hibernation and begun peeping.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/06/04/did-i-miss-anything-a-man-emerges-from-a-75-day-silent-retreat-in-vermont

Markus

[Skybird]

New Zealan d has seen it dslast Covid-19 patien tbeing released. The nation has declared itself formally as free of Covid-19 now.



NZ ran one of the most restrictive policies in the world against the virus. I wonder how their economy is looking, i have no clue. It seems they thought they could afford it, else they would not have done it, yes?


They want to stop their restrictuions now,m which I find good as far as their doemstic policy is concerned, but I would be cautious at their borders and still keep an eye on now incoming travellers. Germany and Europe has seen warning examples already, infeciton during air travels and on trains.

[Jimbuna]

From Monday, most people arriving in the UK will have to quarantine for two weeks.

Some groups are exempt such as road haulage workers and travellers from the Republic of Ireland.

The move is controversial, with airlines and travel companies saying it is unjustified.

With zero active cases, New Zealand will move to its lowest level of lockdown at midnight local time.

New York City begins opening up, with hundreds of thousands expected back at work.

A single coal mine in Poland has been found to be the source of hundreds of new cases.

Infections in Saudi Arabia top 100,000, the health ministry said on Sunday.

There are almost 7 million recorded virus cases globally, with more than 400,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

At least 50% of Singapore’s newly discovered Covid-19 cases have no symptoms, the co-head of the country's taskforce has told Reuters news agency.

In South Africa, children are returning to school as the government continues to ease what was one of the world's strictest lockdowns.

Paris returns to (outdoor) cafe life.

Tests offered at Vienna airport to avoid quarantine.

The UK's stockpile of medicines, built up in case of a no-deal Brexit, has been drained during the pandemic, drug companies have warned.

Delhi's chief minister, Arvind Kejriwal, has a fever and cough, common symptoms of the coronavirus, according to media reports. He is expected to be tested later today.

[Jimbuna]

Five countries account for more than half of the world's Covid-19 cases, which now stand at just over seven million, according to the map and dashboard from Johns Hopkins University.

The United States has the highest number of confirmed cases so far - with more than 1.9 million.

With nearly 700,000 cases, Brazil comes second, followed by Russia (467,073), the UK (287,621) and India (257,486).

[Skybird]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2404-8

In a new study they analysed numbers from South Korea, China, Italy, Iran, France and the US and concluded that the anti-contagion policies run in these countries helped to prevent the infection of 530 million people.

They authors in another team of that study further concluded that in eleven countries of Europe the death of 3.1 million people was prevented.

Quoting from a German summary on the studies, the director of one of the study teams said that never before has there been a measurement implemented in the history of mankind that saved so many lives in so short a time.

I would just laugh about those stupid Corona protesters, if I would not find them so disgusting already. Lets assume a lethality of just 1%, in case of the number of the prevented infections in the six countries mentioned in the first paragraph, these six countries would have seen 5.3 million dead if nothing would have been done about the virus. Such ratios are where playing polite with cynical idiots as if they would deserve respect, must end.

What these numbers illustrate further is how very successful so far the general global anti-contagion efforts have been.

Its a dilemma. The measurements obviously were successful, and the worst realisation of "what could have been", has not materialised. But right this absence of the worst case scenario now serves as a foul excuse for many people to question that the measurements were necessary. It cannot get any more absurd.The same peope would have been the first to complain (if they had survived) if nothing would have been done (as they now demand), and the pandemic would have spread uncontrolled, and scores more would have suffered and died. Absurd, absurd, absurd.


The number of prevented 530 million infections prevented in those six countries also illustrates another thing: how incredibly infectous and dangerous this virus is.

[ikalugin]

Well Moscow opens up tommorow.

[Mr Quatro]

The United States has the highest number of confirmed cases so far - with more than 1.9 million.

The land of freedom and truth reports the truth and does not hide the truth like some countries do :yep:

[Mr Quatro]

October 2019??? Who are they trying to fool?

It's like trying to find out who fired the first shot in WWWIII :o



Researchers: Satellite images hint coronavirus started in China earlier than first reported

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/researchers-satellite-images-hint-coronavirus-started-in-china-earlier-than-first-reported/ar-BB15cmw7

Study authors told ABC News that analysis of data from as far back as October of last year indicated a surge in vehicle traffic around hospitals in the city, a spike that coincided with a rise in internet search traffic for "certain symptoms that would later be determined as closely associated with the novel coronavirus" from residents of the city.

"Something was happening in October," Dr. John Brownstein, the study's leader, told ABC. "Clearly, there was some level of social disruption taking place well before what was previously identified as the start of the novel coronavirus pandemic."

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b0_iGWLGYM

[em2nought]

New York hospitals are quietly testing heartburn drug Pepcid as treatment for COVID-19 and will know if it's effective in "a few weeks"


Doctors in China discovered that those over 80 with heartburn issues and used Pepcid had a higher coronavirus survival than those using pricier drug Prilosec


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8259377/New-York-hospitals-quietly-testing-heartburn-drug-famotidine-Pepcid-treatment-COVID-19.html


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8388287/40p-indigestion-pill-Pepcid-help-ease-Covid-19-symptoms-speed-recovery-study-claims.html

[Jimbuna]

More than 100,000 new cases have been reported in nine of the past 10 days - WHO chief.

Global economy tipped to contract by 5.2% this year - World Bank.

UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock: "R" rate is below 1 in all regions.

UK records its lowest daily rise in coronavirus deaths since before lockdown on 23 March.

Most people arriving in the UK have to quarantine for two weeks.

New York City begins reopening, with as many as 400,000 people getting back to work.

[Skybird]

Most people arriving in the UK have to quarantine for two weeks.

Johnsonomics. Makes soooo much sense, now that practically every country in Europe has a much lower infection risk than the UK. Following that kind of "logic" this late in the game , it maybe would make more sense that if continetal Europeans travel to the UK, all UK natives should quarantine. :88) :-?


Really, Boris. That was something for some months back. Now it makes little sense anymore. At least as far as travellers from safer places than the Uk are concerned. You are late!

[Rockstar]

The land of freedom and truth reports the truth and does not hide the truth like some countries do :yep:




Plus we've done a little over 20 million tests so that might play a part in those numbers too. Also Brazil isn't close to being second. The European Union holds that place with over 1.5 million infected, 1.25 million not counting the U.K.

[August]

The land of freedom and truth reports the truth and does not hide the truth like some countries do :yep:


Well said.

[Skybird]

Hydroxychloroquine and no end. Seems it definitely does NOT help.



https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638



Conclusions

After high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 or confirmed infection when used as postexposure prophylaxis within 4 days after exposure.


(...)


Discussion

In this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, we investigated the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine as Covid-19 postexposure prophylaxis. In this trial, high doses of hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 when initiated within 4 days after a high-risk or moderate-risk exposure.

We used a pragmatic approach to recruitment and follow-up of participants through Internet-based self-referral and online follow-up surveys, and we couriered the trial interventions directly to participants’ homes. This approach allowed for recruitment across North America, minimized the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection to researchers, lowered the burden of research participation, and provided a timely answer to this question of whether postexposure prophylaxis was effective.

Moreover, this approach allowed broad geographic participation regardless of anyone’s physical distance from academic centers, increasing the generalizability of the findings. One result of our approach was that enrolled participants were generally younger and healthier than those at risk for severe Covid-19. Although the risk of severe Covid-19 is related to age and coexisting conditions, the risk of acquiring symptomatic infection is generally still present among adults, regardless of age. Although PCR or serologic testing for asymptomatic infection would have added to the scientific strength of this trial, this was not possible, and we cannot assess an effect on mild or asymptomatic infections. Although a marginal possible benefit from prophylaxis in a more at-risk group cannot be ruled out, the potential risks that are associated with hydroxychloroquine may also be increased in more at-risk populations, and this may essentially negate any benefits that were not shown in this large trial involving younger, healthier participants.

We acknowledge that this trial has limitations. Because of the lack of availability of diagnostic testing in the United States, the vast majority of the participants, including health care workers, were unable to access testing. Thus, an a priori symptomatic case definition was used — the U.S. clinical case definition of probable Covid-19. This trial represents real-world implementation after exposure. In the context of a randomized trial design, any non–SARS-CoV-2 viral infection (e.g., influenza, adenovirus, or rhinovirus) should be equally distributed in the trial groups. Owing to the Internet-based approach used to rapidly recruit participants in the context of a pandemic, data were obtained by means of participant report. The types and frequency of symptoms that were observed are similar to those in previous studies involving U.S. health care providers. The U.S. case definition is how probable Covid-19 cases are nationally reportable.However, the predictive power of this case definition is unknown, particularly in the younger populations that we studied; given the small number of PCR tests, it remains theoretically possible that hydroxychloroquine therapy limits proven infection. Reproduction of our results in other, ongoing trials would confirm our findings.

This randomized trial did not demonstrate a significant benefit of hydroxychloroquine as postexposure prophylaxis for Covid-19. Whether preexposure prophylaxis would be effective in high-risk populations is a separate question, with trials ongoing. In order to end the pandemic, a reduction in community transmission is needed.

[August]

It says nothing of the sort.



Whether preexposure prophylaxis would be effective in high-risk populations is a separate question, with trials ongoing

[Rockstar]

Just because it made a reputable journal doesnt make it law. There are already some criticizing how the trial was conducted and its math. But, that's why they publish these results so they can be professionally reviewed and critiqued. Interesting thing though, on the upside there doesnt appear to be any cardiac arrhythmia or higher risks of death associated with hydroxychloroquine like everyone and the WHO was getting on all hysterical about earlier.

[Jimbuna]

Yes, far too late imho.

[Jimbuna]

The government is to drop plans for all English primary pupils to return to school before the end of summer.

The Children's Commissioner for England told the BBC the news would be a "huge disappointment"

From Tuesday, people in Moscow will be allowed to move around the city whenever they like.

But there remain concerns about a rush to reopen as the city still records 2,000 infections a day.

The UK recorded its lowest daily death toll since 22 March - 55 people died with Covid-19

In Brazil, the number of cases passes 700,000, but a controversy is growing over its data.

There are more than 7 million infections globally, with over 400,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

The US recorded 450 deaths linked to the virus over the past 24 hours, the lowest daily increase in two months.

The people of Malta are to be handed 100 euro (£89) vouchers to spend in the country's bars, hotels and restaurants as the government seeks to kickstart the economy.

China has dismissed a study suggesting the coronavirus might have been spreading in the city of Wuhan as early as August last year as "ridiculous".

New Zealanders enjoyed their first full day of life being - almost - back to normal on Tuesday, after all remaining coronavirus restrictions (except those linked to overseas travel) were lifted.

Places of worship in England will be able to reopen their doors on 15 June. Churches, temples, synagogues and mosques will be allowed to open to the public for private prayer only.

France's central bank has said the country's economy will only return to pre-coronavirus levels by mid-2022.

Delhi added around 1,000 new infections on Monday, taking the total in the Indian capital to nearly 30,000.

[Skybird]

In Bergamo, Italy, which was dramatically intense hit by the virus and saw the local newspaper pages with obituaries growing by a two digit factor comoared to pre-corona times, a sample of 10.000 generla tests found 57% of the people tested having antibodies in their blodd.


However, in Hamburg they tested blood donors and blood preservation: and not even 1% showed antibodies.



So, if the price for enforcing herd immunity is the immense death toll they had to pay in Bergamo, then all I can say: No, under no circumstances. That would be like forcing citizens to pull straws and having people lining up against the wall to get shot. 57% is close to the minimum for her immunity, usally set at values of 60% to 80%, but if it takes the tragedy Bergamo had to go through to reach that, then that simply is no way to go voluntarily. Not even mentioning that many of those who survived their hospitalization are ill until today and may never recover in full again in their life.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52975934

Now there is an intriguing new clue, gleaned not from direct evidence, but from studying satellite imagery and internet search terms, which suggest hospital traffic and internet searches for symptoms were on the rise in Wuhan as early as late summer/early autumn.


But they did not say one word to warn the world. And months later when being actively called by the WHO, they still misled the world and lied and hid behind their lies and doctored numbers. And the WHO smeared honey and praise into their ears in a bid to buy their honesty by submitting to their propaganda interests, and they instead continued to lie and delay.

We shall never forget this. And not forgive. We will never know how many tens - if not hundreds - of thousands could hd been saved in the past or near future if China would not have intentionally decided to just not care for foreign nations' citizens' lives getting killed by decisions in Bejing. Think of the long time that got wasted. Research and preparation of months has been thrown away, Think of the many people who got hospitalised, "recovered and left weeks later - but did not fully recover, are still in seriously exhausted conditions at home, did not and maybe will not fully recover. Olds and youngs. Bureau-inhabitants and athletic people.


But no sacrifice is too big for the glory of the Chinese communist party and its big new emperor Xi Jinping! :Kaleun_Salute:

[mapuc]

Here in Denmark, the Danish government and the Primeminister had been called into a consultation

When she and the government ordered the almost total shutdown of the country, it was based on the statements of various experts in the field of medicin.
So we have been told

Lately it have come to our knowledge that there wasn't such a statement from these expert. In fact some of the expert had warned the Primeminister to over react.

These expert was told to "keep their mouth shut"

On several occasion the primeminister have been asked: which experts advised you to shut down denmark
She did not reveal who these expert was

So today the Primeminister was in this consultation, where she had to reveal who and which expert had told the government to take these steps and close most of Denmark.

It was politicians from the opposition who had asked for this consultation with the Primeminister.

Markus

[Cybermat47]

China has dismissed a study suggesting the coronavirus might have been spreading in the city of Wuhan as early as August last year as "ridiculous".

The communist regime that massacred its own people and uses the Hong Kong Police Force like an occupying army denies missing a virus spreading? Well, they seem reliable.

[Mr Quatro]

The US recorded 450 deaths linked to the virus over the past 24 hours, the lowest daily increase in two months.


Okay lets open everything up baby ... if it's okay to riot and protest and loot
then it's okay to open the bars and theaters and bowling alleys too. :up:

Lets play ball :yep:

[Jimbuna]

The global economy will contract by 6% in 2020 - the biggest downturn in peacetime in a century, the OECD says.

But the club of rich countries predicts a bounce-back next year unless a second virus wave forces fresh lockdowns.

Top US infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci warns the crisis is not over despite many countries easing restrictions.

In the UK, NHS waiting lists could double to 10m by the end of the year, health officials warn.

Meanwhile PM Boris Johnson will later announce plans to further ease lockdown restrictions in England.

Brazil's government will start publishing regular Covid-19 data again after a Supreme Court order.

There have been more than 7m infections globally, with 3.37m recoveries and more than 411,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[MaDef]

But the club of rich countries predicts a bounce-back next year unless a second virus wave forces fresh lockdowns.
i don't know about other countries, but if the States Governors here in the U.S. try another "lockdown" they could very well end up with an insurection on their hands.

[Cybermat47]

i don't know about other countries, but if the States Governors here in the U.S. try another "lockdown" they could very well end up with an insurection on their hands.

One that wouldn’t last long, seeing as you can’t fire a rifle or throw a molotov cocktail that well when you’re hooked up to a ventilator.

[mapuc]

If there only was an article i could link to or use translate. It isn't so I use my memory again, though it was spoken in an issue on Danish news program.

Today there are many who believe that the Spanish flu first began after WWI, this is not correct. The first cases of Spanish flu began some month before the end of WWI.

What many don't know is that this Flu came in two wave and a majority of those who was killed by this Spanish flu, did it in the second wave.

When this male speaker said those things I was thinking.

What if the second wave of Corona kill tenfold

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v0aduCjJtA

[Jimbuna]

PM Boris Johnson announces plans to further ease lockdown restrictions in England.

People living alone can stay at one other household from Saturday by forming a "bubble"

A further 245 people have died with Covid-19 in the UK

Italian prosecutors say they will question PM Giuseppe Conti and other government members over virus response.

[Skybird]

Neil Fergusson for the Imperial College London found that earlier lockdowns in the UK could have halved the number of deaths in the UK. With over 41 thousand, they are quite excessive in the UK (compare to the 8840 counted until today in Germany).

And if that were not bad news enough, the OECD expects the UK's economy to shrink by 11.5% this year, which is the highest value amongst industrial states.

Takes the steam out of Brexit, somewhat.

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fIMkigtnk4


French authorities recommend boosting doses of Vitamine D of up to 100,000 IEs. I coughed when reading that, but then he came with a recommendation from India: that people should charge their system with 300,000 IEs. Wowh, I say! But it is not as dramatic as it sounds, these are charging, boostign doses, meant to be given just once or in only a few repetitions.

Compared to that, my earlier comments to start (for quickcharging) with 20 thousand and then 10 thousand and then 5 thousand, is not that far away. (I read that US health officials btw consider daily doses of up to 4000 IEs as free of risk alltogether, and then possible health risks, if not dealt with, may slowly increase in probability if going beyond that dose and for longer time).

No word again on Vitamine K2 and Magnesium. It is important, it really should be mentioned by these studies and doctors. As a reminder: if you take Vitamine D and especially at higher than consevative doses, take Vitamine K2 and Magnesium as well. I explained earlier and repeatedly why this should be done.

Vitamine D gets stored in the liver I think, and for up to 19 days, so you must not take a pill every day, a 7 times higher dose taken just once per week will work for same effects, therefore. K2 and Magnesium however should still be taken daily.



Lets do some math, for fun only. I earlier said in this thread: start with charging up with 20,000 for some time, I imagined 2-3 weeks though I think I did not explicitly say it, then halve it for another two weeks, and then halve it again afterwards and continue with that dose. Now, 19 days multiplied with 5000 IE per day, makes 95,000 IE in these short of three weeks. That is in the range of the French number. Getting charged up when beginning with Vitamine D by taking 10,000 IEs per day, have you ending up with 140,000 IE after 14 days, and if you take 20 thousand IEs for two weeks, it is 280,000 IEs after 2 weeks. That brings you then in range of the recommended numbers from India.If you take 20,000 for 19 days, yio end up with 360,000, whcihz again is in range of the Indian number, but why not leaving it to 2 weeks only.

(Just playing these number games because some people questioned my tips back then).


One article he quotes is entitled "Vitamine D - a low hanging fruit?" - I think so, yes, absolutely, so go and pick it, its so easy and cheap. Its still all a correlation, yes, but this correlation gets found and confirmed from all across the world, over and over again. I strongly assume that it is causality at work as well, though a correlation does not measure causality: but then, it also does not rule it out that there is a causal link at work. The hints are overwhelming now that Vitamine D is very important in fighting this virus. The more Vitamine D in your blood, the less likely you are to die or to suffer a severe going of the disease if you get infected. That simple it is (though it most likely does not protect you from getting Covid in the first: but having not a rough but a mild ride if you get hit, is a win big enough, don't you think?).

[Mr Quatro]

Sometimes I don't have a link due to this was just on the news at 6pm


No new cases of Covid-19 from the protestors/rioting yet (stating that is still too early), but several new cases this week traced to birthday parties and church groups meeting.

Can only mean one thing sooner or later the protestors will come in complaining next. The National Guard in Washington, DC has already reported some new cases too. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

US cases pass the two million mark, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Pandemic is accelerating in Africa, with South Africa accounting for a quarter of cases on the continent - WHO

UK ministers defend decision-making after expert says going into lockdown a week earlier could have halved death toll.

The US has the most recorded cases in the world, followed by Brazil (770,000) and Russia (500,000)

Infections are still rising in 20 US states even as restrictions continue to be relaxed.

Disneyland announces phased reopening in July.

There have been more than 7.3 million infections globally and more than 416,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

There have been big drops in the number of patients in England seen by cancer doctors after urgent referrals from their GP during the pandemic, new figures show.

A further 8,779 cases of coronavirus have been reported in Russia, bringing the country's total above 500,000.

As one of the first countries to face a major outbreak of coronavirus, Iran saw infections decline in mid-April and began to relax its lockdown restrictions.
In recent weeks, cases have begun to surge. So is it paying the price with a second wave of infections?
New infections have been averaging more than 3,000 a day in the first week of June - a 50% increase on the previous week.

A new coronavirus case has been confirmed in Beijing - the first in the Chinese capital in nearly two months.

Two Brazilian state governors have been accused of corruption related to spending on medical equipment in the fight against Covid-19.

A French family is launching a legal case after a refuse collector took his own life shortly after being sacked. The man, a key worker from Normandy, lost his job for drinking a beer he'd been given by a grateful member of the public.

Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte has confirmed he'll give evidence on Friday to an inquiry on why an early lockdown was not imposed in the Bergamo area, the epicentre of Italy's pandemic.

The Bosnian city of Tuzla is preparing to declare a second epidemic following a steep rise in cases.

If you've missed Spanish football, you'll be thrilled to learn that La Liga is back on Thursday night with Sevilla entertaining local rivals Real Betis at 22:00 (20:00 GMT).

The Kenyan government faces tough decisions in opening up the economy while keeping Covid-19 under control and avoiding a collapse of its health system.

India has lifted its export ban on hydroxychloroquine, the drug that US President Donald Trump called a "game-changer" in the fight against Covid-19.

[Cybermat47]

A French family is launching a legal case after a refuse collector took his own life shortly after being sacked. The man, a key worker from Normandy, lost his job for drinking a beer he'd been given by a grateful member of the public.

Poor man must have been struggling with issues already, and losing his job pushed him over the edge.

Mental health issues kill people, virus or not.

[Skybird]

My thinking from beginning on.



The hygiene professor Klaus-Dieter Zastrow made serious allegations against German virologists in an interview with the "Welt". It was only because of the fact that they had put up against masking for weeks that the lockdown was necessary in Germany. Zastrow is one of the leading scientists in Germany in the hygiene sector and has developed hygiene concepts for hospitals and large canteens.

The virologist Hendrick Streeck had said that the lockdown in this form may not have been necessary. Zastrow reacted to this statement in astonishment: “That amazes me a little. The virologists were primarily to blame for the lockdown. Because they questioned the meaning and purpose of mouth-nose protection for weeks - and of course the RKI. "

The argument that improperly worn mouth and nose protection would help spread the virus is "complete nonsense," says Zastrow. The virologists are experts in their own fields, but: "They don't have the faintest idea of ​​hygiene and then tell such nonsense." As long as the masks did not reach a temperature of 37 degrees, no pathogenic viruses would form in the masks , continues Zastrow.

Zastrow is not worried about a second wave. Compared to the first outbreak, the "40,000 to 50,000 skiers returning from vacation" and the carnivalists were missing.


I am still not fully over this. Wearing a face protection in a situaiton like we are and have been in three months ago - that was and is a no-brainer to me. I thought on what they call aerosoles today from the very start on. "Fachidiotentum" at its finest - is there an English translation for this word?

[Jimbuna]

Poor man must have been struggling with issues already, and losing his job pushed him over the edge.

Mental health issues kill people, virus or not.

True that :yep:

[Skybird]

China has reported three Covid-19 deaths per 1 million inhabitants, Japan seven, Pakistan six, South Korea and Indonesia five. Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia and Mongolia remained without registered victims. For comparison: Germany had 100 corona deaths per 1 million inhabitants, the USA almost 300 and Great Britain, Italy and Spain over 500.

That must be explained, it cannot be explained with different counting rules alone. Japanese expoerts assume that in asia people have a slightly more beneficial DNS-encoded reaction to the virus than people in the West. In this case, the differences in the immune systems' reaciton to this virus - and this virus alone - was more positiver for Asian people. With another virus it might be the other way around, so it is no general "superior" gene sequence at work here. I imagine it might be like with a key that opens a certain lock, and who has the key, has an advantage, obviously. If the lock changes, the old key is useless.

[Mr Quatro]

Infections are still rising in 20 US states even as restrictions continue to be relaxed.

I know all of your friends don't have to agree with you, but I now have three separate groups of friends that think the lock down in America was a trick by the government to control us and they got it from watching and linking to Fox News.

I disagree I think the sanctions being lifted and an increase in Covid-19 virus infections prove that the lock down was much needed.

This is the only place I can vent and not become an outcast ... sad, but true :oops:

I'm staying home till the whole thing is under control :yep:

[mapuc]

For your information

It is not the Corona virus who kills you....

It is the Doctors.

After having read and heard so much about this virus, here and everywhere on the web and hearing different doctors and expert on vira

I have come to the conclusion

Our doctors are treating patients who have been infected and having breathing problems wrong.

As a Danish Chief Physician said on the news 80 % of those who are put in respirator dies from it.

Markus

[ET2SN]

OK, just a couple of things off the top of my head about Vit D. :hmmm:

Due to my disability, my Vit D levels were tested many years ago (this requires a specific blood test) and were found to be extremely low. My doctor asked if I wanted to be part of a study about taking high levels of Vit D supplements.

I said OK and took extremely high doses of Vit D3 pills (these were Rx pills, not over-the-counter) for a couple of months.

Did I notice any difference? No, not really, but my tested Vit D levels were "normal" again.

So, does Vit D make a difference? I guess it depends on your situation. If you live an active lifestyle, spend time outdoors, and eat a healthy diet, it shouldn't make a difference.

The main point I want to get across- Don't base your health care on what the News says. If you think your Vit D levels are low, get tested by your Doctor. Work with your Dr. on diet, exercise, and life style if its needed.

On a separate issue in the US, keep in mind that "supplements" (Vitamins, OTC meds, herbal cures, etc.) are held to same standards of purity as fast food. :timeout:

Your vitamins and diet pills have to be as pure as a Big Mac. :yep: Try to always keep this in mind.

Lastly, a couple of points that rarely get mentioned:

If you want to invest in suppliants as a part of your daily diet, YOU NEED TO START WITH SOME KIND OF A BASELINE. Get your blood tested by a Dr.

Taking 12 "Vit X" pills a day is meaningless if you don't have a plan. "They're just good for me" can get you in trouble.

Likewise, "if a little is good, a lot must be better" can also get you in a lot of trouble. Do your homework, talk to your Dr. about safe levels based on your body type and fitness level.

If you're taking five different vitamins per day and they all look alike, there's a good reason for that. Gel caps that contain only fish oil or vegetable oil can be sold as multiple vitamin types. :03: Learn how to read the labels so you know what you're taking.

[Skybird]

This is the only place I can vent and not become an outcast ... sad, but true


You must try harder! ;)




:D

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V21MLAGaB0

[Jimbuna]

Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the Test and Trace system is "critical" to control the virus.

More than 31,000 close contacts identified during the first week of the test and trace system in England.

US cases pass the two million mark, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Number of confirmed cases in Russia passes 500,000 - third highest in the world, behind the US and Brazil.

Shutting down US economy for a second time is not a viable option, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says.

There have been more than 7.3 million infections globally and more than 416,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

The Isle of Man has become the first place in the British Isles to drop social distancing.

Lockdown measures are being relaxed in parts of Brazil, and stores and shopping centres are reopening in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.

Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro, who has been criticised for his handling of the outbreak, has created a new government department - the Ministry of Communications. It follows a Supreme Court ruling forcing the government to publish official coronavirus figures on the health ministry's website. The country has recorded almost 40,000 deaths and more than 750,000 confirmed infections.

Mexico's death toll has surpassed 15,000 deaths and a government official has warned that case predictions for the country have been revised upwards. The capital, Mexico City, plans to increase testing to a target of 100,000 tests a month in an effort to start reopening the economy.

Peru's exports of ginger root have increased almost threefold during the pandemic. Ginger is seen as an immune-system booster but there is no evidence to suggest it protects against coronavirus.

[mapuc]

Interesting information.

Scientists from the CDC and the US Navy gathered 382 young adults from the aircraft carrier and found 60 percent had reactive antibodies, and 59 percent of those also had neutralizing antibodies. In a small number of cases, the antibodies were tested and detected over three months after symptom onset, indicating that immunity could last for several months in some instances.

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/covid19-outbreak-on-navy-ship-shows-a-promising-indicator-of-shortterm-immunity/?fbclid=IwAR1tXKwtvxAHXMWZb53kXMrpzJcq4XUiE0lap35s S2dg1ajcFqz7KgtGIxQ

Markus

[Skybird]

OK, just a couple of things off the top of my head about Vit D. :hmmm:

Due to my disability, my Vit D levels were tested many years ago (this requires a specific blood test) and were found to be extremely low. My doctor asked if I wanted to be part of a study about taking high levels of Vit D supplements.

I said OK and took extremely high doses of Vit D3 pills (these were Rx pills, not over-the-counter) for a couple of months.

Did I notice any difference? No, not really, but my tested Vit D levels were "normal" again.

So, does Vit D make a difference? I guess it depends on your situation. If you live an active lifestyle, spend time outdoors, and eat a healthy diet, it shouldn't make a difference.

The main point I want to get across- Don't base your health care on what the News says. If you think your Vit D levels are low, get tested by your Doctor. Work with your Dr. on diet, exercise, and life style if its needed.

On a separate issue in the US, keep in mind that "supplements" (Vitamins, OTC meds, herbal cures, etc.) are held to same standards of purity as fast food. :timeout:

Your vitamins and diet pills have to be as pure as a Big Mac. :yep: Try to always keep this in mind.

Lastly, a couple of points that rarely get mentioned:

If you want to invest in suppliants as a part of your daily diet, YOU NEED TO START WITH SOME KIND OF A BASELINE. Get your blood tested by a Dr.

Taking 12 "Vit X" pills a day is meaningless if you don't have a plan. "They're just good for me" can get you in trouble.

Likewise, "if a little is good, a lot must be better" can also get you in a lot of trouble. Do your homework, talk to your Dr. about safe levels based on your body type and fitness level.

If you're taking five different vitamins per day and they all look alike, there's a good reason for that. Gel caps that contain only fish oil or vegetable oil can be sold as multiple vitamin types. :03: Learn how to read the labels so you know what you're taking.


I could not much disagree with any in that, and some of the cautioning you made I have given myself earlier, and repeatedly. However I also remind you of that there is no general consenus internationally on recommendable doses of Vitamine-D, and therefore house doctors vary in views widely and across countries, so do natioanl sevrices, auhtorites and offices. Some nations' official recommendaitons say 800 IE per day, others say 2000, and some say not more than 5000 per day. Thats w very wide spread already.

The talk is of an almost vitamine-D deficiency pandemia, thats why the Nordic countries supplement it a lot, for example, add it to their food from the supermarket shelves, prescriobe it as pills. I explained all that repeatedly before, and so did the videos by Campbell, he only reports what is in the medical journals, he has no own commercial interest there. We know that singoifivasnt,. huge parts of populations are deficient in Wetsenr coutn ries, but also in many "sun-rich" countries - because where it is hot, people avoid exposing themsleves to the sun, or they work in the factory all day long, or .... the reasons are endless. The correlations between deficient Vitamine D levels and severity of Covid 19 infections speak a very clear language, it all is very obvious.As Campbell said, Vitmaine D may just be a marker, or it may be a causla link indeed, I agree with what he said there: the first is possible but unlikely, the second is very likely. For the time being I follow Occam's razor rule, I simply stick to the simplier explanation here. And it makes sense. An awful lot of. Also, it is a link (skin colour, sun expose and Vitamine D production) that is known since long.

I said from very early on: you cannot expect that supplements like this prevent infections or "cure" Covid 19. They most likely don't. But it seems very convincing that they ease the going of the disease if you get it. The maximum possible performance of your immune system varies, it is weak as a child, it is maximum in young adult years, and comes age so comes a weakening of its maximum possible performance. You cannot boost it beyond these levels that vary with age. But when the immune system is undersupplied with nutritions that it needs to function properly, then it cannot even reach this age-typical optimum. Its as if you have a castle with high walls, and cannons mounted on them, and the older the castle gets, the more cannos fall down. The castle defences grow weaker. You cannot chnage that - but you can make sure that every remaining gun at least is sufficiently suplied with ammunition. That is what it is about.

I am extremely sceptical whenever I read a report or feedback by somebody who says "I take Vitamine X, Y, Z and since I do that I feel that it made my wellbeign so much better." That is nonsene, self-delusion, almost always. When you were so deficient that you got ill and formed symptoms due to that deficiency, improving on that deficiency may help to get rid of the symptoms , and when you have them no more, then you feel relief and better indeed, okay. But if you are in a stable health status and consume these vitamines, I hardly can imagine that you feel an improvement from that. Their effect is much more subtle, in significant parts it still is even clearly understood. Note that the good doctor says it himself: there are no clinical trials with double-blind designs beign done on Vitamine-D and Covid-19 - but there is a stunnimg ammount of ever confirmed strong correlations nevertehless. And if correlations like this get confirmed this intensely and so often and so high and signficantly, then it is simply not clever to just ignore them.

Legal aspects of not being held accountable and needing to pay high financial compensations always also play a role in these official recommendation for doses, in German it is refered to in brief as the insurrance risk. Thats why it is a safe bet that these official recommendations have plenty of security tolerance to upper critical levels in them. Else the ministry of health risks to get sued off the planet's face.


Then there is the lobby of the pharma industry. It cannot have an interest in a healthy population, because people who think they are not ill will not buy expensive drugs. The lobbying against food supplements is intense, therefore, much more money-heavy than the lobbying for supplements. Producers of supplements tend to spend their money more on advertising, therefore. The battle is fought with gloves off. Diseases ven get fabricated and critical treshold values of this and that physiological organic variable even get redefined in a way that more patients get defined ill this way and thus: more people buy more blood presssure drugs. More hormone pills. More stetines. Doctors lay under intense artillery by the industry to have them prescribing this or that new drug, that fails to prove better effect, but costs twice as much as the old one. - Whenever you go to the doctor, listen to what he says, and consider it. But never stop thinking yourself, and never give up your scepticism in the waiting room. Mostly I follow doctor's advice. But not always. And when what he explains to me does not make sense to me or I cannot understand it or I think he simplifies something that is important, I change the doctor for another one. Did it before, would do it again.

All these official natiuonal authorities and recommendations tend to be excessively cautious and careful and conservative , also because new knowledge only slowly enters the mainstream thinking of science. Not every doctor know just about evertyhing, it is impossible to learn that much every week anyway.

Campbell mentioned the example of India: that it is a cultural thing that in that coutnry people avoid walking in the sun, if they can. Nice quote of that old English song mocking the British for doing it nevertheless. In Scandinavia they add to food and prescribe Vitamine-D. Both shows that just saying "l excercise, eat well, have my optimal food intake" does not automatically work. Of course i do not say "DonT do anythign of that, eat pills". Usually I do not consume any supplements! But where it makes sense or need is, I say: use supplements additionally. To me the point is this virus and the fact that we have still no working defence, no treatment, no therapy against it. We cana onyl socially distance, wear masks - and bring our immune systems into best possible shape. That's why I do what I do.

The metabolic end result of Vitamine D in the blood is one or two substances and their level can be measured. There seems to be an international consensus, whatever that consenus is worth, that 30 nmols/litre needs immediate medical intervention and is dangerous, whereas levels between 30 and 60 nmols/litre are seen as "deficient" and thus critical, intervention is still recommended. That means that anything above is seen as "sufficient". But fact is that you can find a lot of reports and notes on that in case of an infection the immune system seems to benefit from higher levels than just 60 nmol/litre. A doctor telling you to stop taking supplements if you are at 60-70 nmols/litre maybe does not really do you a favour, for he holds you back and stops you from helping your immune system as much as would be possible to gain its best efficiency (which is a desirable status if you get infected). However, there is an upper limit beyond which no further benefits can be gained, and then beyond that level any higher dose can even become contraproductive. That is the region where Calcium more and more plays in - to your disadvantage, it is becoming more and more difficult to prevent that Calcium accumulates in your blood (not good at all...) and your bones become deficient with calcium (also not good...) This all is what you should avoid. Too little Vitamine D is bad, and too much is bad as well. The best use is a range in the middle. I am not certain, but I seem to recall that the best range where you risk no health problems but have your immune defences supported best possible, is around 90 nmols/litre, with additional positive benefits becoming more and more questionable with levels higher than 100-120 nmols/litre, you start to waste money there, but don't take my word for that, I am not certain. However I am certain that the upper safe limit is WAY higher than just those 60nmols.

Do you know where the original classic recommendation for Vitamine C doses is coming from? Its that dose that was found to reliably prevent scurvy amongst ship crews. Now, scurvy is a disease that forms out when you are dangerously deficient with Vitamine C. Just that minimum dose needed to prevent the forming of this disease as the symptom of that deficiency - that shall be the official recommendation for how much Vit C you shoudl have per day? The bare, desperate minimum? That is as if somebody tells you "Don'T eat much, eat only so much that you do not fall off your legs when trying to walk." You still are hungry. You still are dizzy, and may get other symptoms and you may feel the weakness and depression still. Its maybe a good idea to eat a bit more then than just the minimum needed to prevent you from falling off your feet while you still are shaky on your legs and cannot run or carry loads.

This is how science works very often: to stick very long time with the minimum of knowledge, because the new assumptions and indices are not yet proven in the lab. We have seen delay from this model of academic work a lot in the Corona crisis. How long did they tell us (here in Germany at least) to not wear masks, and doing so even would be dangerous? How long have they said air tranmission plays no role? How long have they said aerosols can be ignored? To me it was so obviously wrong that I considered these things at the very start already, late February or so, and now they slowly have followed with saying that their labs have in deed proven now this and that. There is an inbuild delay in the science process , and in case of nutrition and medical treatments, these delays can last years, even decades. Not to mention the generylly extremely poor methodological quality of ecotrophological "studies", I have a girl friend who is ecotrophologist and she is so frustrated of this bad science that she has quit her very successful career at the age of 52. "Schlechte Wissenschaft", she calls it. And that is what the food advisors and doctors and media writers base their output on that you can read in the newspapers every single day!


Shift the probabilities in your favour, it may make the difference for you between a severe and a mild form of Corona infection in case you get hit by it in the future. The chance that you become one of the hospitalised cases when you get bitten by the virus, is roughly like the chance to get a 6 when throwing a die. Its a good idea, I think at least, to try to change that in your favour. Even more so when considering that in no way all people surviving the hospital do fully recover. It seems that manyremain severly handicapped and suffering for months after their release, and certainly also some for the rest of their lives.

Vitamine D deficient people suffer more often and more severly, that is the message we get from alla cross the world. That simple it is, not more, not less it is about.

As always my suggestion to take higher doses of Vitamine D only in combination with Vitamine K2 and Magnesium. The first helps tremendously to keep the Calcium in check, and the second is needed to activate the Vitamine D and enable the metabolism to actually process it. I explained that earlier, and repeatedly.

[Skybird]

I put this hear, since the problem is directly influenced by the pandemic for whcih it served as a catalysator. It would have gone in the same direction without Corona, but slower.





Why the credit bubbles are already bursting without us noticing


I am often asked what is so bad about a recession. Who cares if the economy shrinks by 2%, 5% or even 8%? The answer is always the same: it bothers because every single monetary unit on earth was born as a loan, the loans have to be serviced further and the loan amounts continue to grow thanks to interest. However, a shrinking economy cannot serve growing loans, so that even with only a 2% shrinking, debtors are already going bankrupt. This time, the various bursting credit bubbles could make the financial crisis of 2008 appear as a gentle breeze.

I have often written in recent weeks about loans, credit bubbles and the fact that in many economies the amount of credit grew much faster than the economy as a whole. For example, the US inflated its national debt, which is 100% of its economic output, by 4.6% in order to maintain 2.3% economic growth. Overall, the total amount of loans in the United States rose by 15.8% last year with only 2.3% growth. The United Arab Emirates also built on credit. Consumers have taken out eight times more credit since 2008, but still spent a third less on consumption in 2019 than in 2008.

Even before the corona virus, China's banks were sitting on breathtaking $ 1,400 billion in loans that were considered non-performing. These are loans in which the debtor either no longer pays anything or at least in which individual loan terms such as the collateral provided is no longer met. In the past year, virtually every company that asked for it received credit. At the same time, the government reduced the mandatory risk buffers that banks have to hold for each loan. China now has $ 28 trillion in loans.
The corona virus wipes out the ability to service loans

How will all these loans be served in the biggest global economic crisis in 90 years? My prediction: as little as never before. Many borrowers will already be short of funds in the first month to pay the next loan installment. Even in Germany, this is likely to hit a number of property owners. I myself have calculated the loans for my real estate so that the current rents serve the monthly loan installments. Even with my calculated, 20% vacancy rate buffer, which was immensely large before the crisis, I would no longer be able to do so, since the unreserved termination of rental payments is now legally permitted. If at the same time other sources of income from which one could repay the loans disappear, it looks black for many property owners.

In Germany at least almost all people still get money, be it from the employer or from the employment office. This is not the case in other countries. Social security is only marginally developed and people quickly slide into homelessness during the crisis.
The statistics lagged behind reality by half a year

During the financial crisis, the proportion of non-performing loans in the United States rose from 0.7% to 5.6%. In the fourth quarter the rate was 0.85%. Since a loan is considered non-performing in the United States if payments have not been flowing for 90 days, we will probably not see a significant increase until sometime in November when the third quarter figures are released, in which all of them are no longer serviced Loans appear, the repayment of which is suspended in early April.
Credit bubbles - the central bank has already had to save the property loan market

The reaction of the capital market to the crisis can already be seen today. While the central bank in the United States cut interest rates, they have skyrocketed over the past few weeks on new real estate loans. On March 3, 3.23% interest was paid on a 30-year fixed-rate loan in the USA. It was 4% on March 13, although the central bank cut its key interest rate by 0.5 percentage points on March 3. The reason: The market for structured, asset-backed securities (MBS), with which banks like to sell real estate loans on the capital market, dried up within a few days. Nobody wanted to buy the papers anymore and the prices crashed just as quickly as stocks.

The Federal Reserve announced on March 15 that it would put $ 250 billion in these papers. Rates and interest rates normalized for two days, but then shot up to 4.15% on March 19, even though the central bank cut the key rate by another percentage point on March 15. The key interest rate therefore fell by 1.5 percentage points since March 3, while lending rates rose by 0.92 percentage points. The difference to the interest rate for 30-year US government bonds increased by three quarters.

The situation only calmed down again when the US Federal Reserve announced that it would buy these securities in unlimited amounts in the future. But despite the central bank's rate cut, property buyers still have to pay 3.37%, or more, than at the beginning of March. Now the banks can finance everyone and everything and elegantly discharge the risk at the central bank. The market interest rate no longer reflects risk. We only have a short period of a few days to read how the capital market assesses the probability of default on loans: very high. However, as long as interest rates are artificially manipulated, we no longer see this. We will only see the most likely catastrophic statistical data on credit defaults and bankruptcies sometime in the second half of the year.

Incidentally, the crisis has only just started, and yet four exchange-traded US real estate funds have already been wiped out. Their business model was to buy said asset-backed securities and finance them with short-term loans. Given the dramatic fall in MBS prices, the funds should provide additional collateral that they did not have. The result: the MBS serving as security, i.e. the assets of the funds, become the property of the lender, which means a total loss for the fund investors.



Nervous? Very well. We all have reason to be. This will get much worse than 12 years ago. Did anyone look at the stocks indices today?

[Reece]

I put this hear
I put this here :O:

[Mr Quatro]

I put this here :O:

That's only four words Reece!

Oh never mind wrong thread :D

[Skybird]

I put this here :O:
Pedant!




:)
I leave it unedited, so to not spoil your point. :Kaleun_Wink:

[Skybird]

According to the French central bank, paying with banknotes does not increase the risk of a coronavirus infection. "Scientific analysis by recognized European laboratories have confirmed in recent weeks that banknotes do not pose a higher risk of infection in everyday life than from other surfaces," said the Banque de France on Thursday.

Studies have shown that the virus survives ten to one hundred times longer on stainless steel - for example door handles - than on a bank note, the central bank said. Further analysis would have shown that the virus spreads more heavily on porous surfaces than on smooth surfaces such as plastic.

The use of banknotes does not pose any particular risk of infection in everyday life, as long as the recommendations of the World Health Organization (WHO) are also followed.
(FOCUS Germany Newsticker)

[Skybird]

Corona was the worst that could hit the UK, and at the worst possible time. Unforseeable for any Brexiteer, but now a reality.


Economy has gone into a steeper dive than anywhere else in the industrilaised world, in April it shrank by a record 20+ %.


A study searched for patient 0 in the UK - and found 1300. Only 0.1% of them were coming form China.


A speedy recovery is unlikely, that the eocnomic consequences are just slowly unfolding is somethign that the media crowd still has not flly understood, and only seldomly I read it in the commentign by somebody. I think, in the UK and elsewhere, the worst is still to come, but will unfold over a longer time period, appearing that way as something slightly better.



In Germany, at least 20-25% of gastronoym is expected to disappear. At least 20% of those in short time work - the german wonder wepaon against what other economies so far went thorugh - will end up in long-.time unemployment. Lufthansa cuts 26,000 jobs, and still will not be safe with that, having had to trade important landing slots for the EU's allowance for billions of credits given by the state. Berlin'S new airport is on red alert ocne again: a yearly dificit in maintenance costs of over 1.5 billion has opened up "suddenly", but the calculations on its ficnail perofmance were glossy and nice-calculated already before,w ith its capacity not meeting demands already at plannign stage. Now, it is uncertain if and when the capacity even will be filled, with air traffic being at rock bottom. Bitter fighting has broken out betwene virologists and hygiencics expert. The altter accuse the first of having tlaked too much drivel about not needing to mask and such, that way pacing the way for needing to lock down and dojgn all that damage. I comoare to Asien countries, and see that the early mask wearing helped them to stay eocnomically open to significantly higher degrees than we in the West, so I tend to follow that argment (of course I do...).



The Donaldinarium announces that even with a second wave coming they would not lock down again.



Dispute also flares up on whether the vorus has mutaed into a less aggressive form, of that just beign a mesled impression due to the social distncing and masking beign effective and thus reducing the number of cases appearing in hopsital. The debate rages on.


Turkey is angry that Germany does not give it a special role and eases travel warnings for it. Germany eased these warnings only for ****ries of the EU so far.



A global study showed that school closures were one if not the most effective way to limit the spreading of the pandemic. Whereas in Germany they cannot be fast enough now to pen them again - too early. We have several new clusters already. In two states there are exmaples of two shcols were the auhtorities try to hide the brekaign out of the pandemci ins chools and simjply refuse to test teachers and pupils. If it is too long, it gets cut short, if it is too short, it gets stretched. Well, the bill will be presented soon.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz3ChNhvWxM

[Jimbuna]

UK GDP fell by 20.4% in April, the largest fall since monthly records began in 1997

British Airways, Ryanair and Easyjet say they have filed a formal legal challenge to the UK government’s quarantine policy.

The UN warns the virus crisis has left millions of children at risk of being forced into child labour.

Attendees at Donald Trump's election rally in Tulsa next week are asked to sign a waiver over the coronavirus.

They are asked to promise they will not sue the president or organisers if they catch the virus by attending.

Latin America has now recorded more than 1.5 million virus cases and 70,000 deaths.

In India patients are being turned away from hospitals but officials warn the virus has not yet peaked.

There have been 7.5 million cases worldwide and more than 420,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

[Jimbuna]

The "R value" - the coronavirus reproduction number - remains between 0.7 and 0.9 in the UK but in the south-west of England it could be above one, according to the latest figures from the government's scientific advisers.

Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, confirms 15,709 people have tested positive for Covid-19, an increase of 27 from yesterday.

Prosecutors from northern Italy have questioned Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte for about three hours in Rome about the government’s response to coronavirus.

In around a dozen states across the US south and west, Covid-19 cases have been on the rise following the Memorial Day holiday weekend at the end of May.
Arizona, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Arkansas, Utah, Alaska, California and Florida are among the states seeing an uptick.

Twitter has removed more than 170,000 accounts it says were tied to an operation to spread a Chinese government disinformation campaign.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin went without a mask as he appeared at an open-air flag-raising ceremony in Moscow to mark Russia Day, a public holiday.
The 67-year-old, who has largely been working in his residence outside Moscow, praised the spirit of the Russian people as well their traditions and culture.
Russia, which at 511,423 has the world's third-largest number of virus cases, has gradually eased lockdown measures this month.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's wife, 42-year-old Olena Zelenska, has tested positive for Covid-19.

[Mr Quatro]

The total of confirmed cases in the United States has hit 2,064,029. That is 28% of the world’s total.

Kind of odd, uh? 28% for both cases and deaths of the total global :hmmm:


American fatalities reached 115,477, up 885 in a day. The number of deaths per day has been below 1,000 for most of the past week. U.S. deaths are 28% of the world’s total.

[Skybird]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Pick your country in the options line at the top.

Note that thes enumbers necessarily only include known cases. Also keep mij mind that these nubmers are not exact counting numbers one by one, but often also incldued statistcially calculated numbers. I do not say that means they are way off the mark. I just mention it because most people do not know that and take the numbers literally.

They most likely, almost impossibly, could be lower. But very likely the real numbers are higher.

[ikalugin]

Is the PPE deficit still a problem in Europe?

[Skybird]

Is the PPE deficit still a problem in Europe?
FFP2-equivalent masks can be gotten easily since some time now via ebay, the prices are way down now compared to the criminal prices demanded in March and April. 10 such masks for 15 Euros is acceptable. Higher than before, but not out of the range considering that market prices follow supply and demand. Many get advertised as being licensed with the European CE-label, which is a seal confirming that the item has undergone European norm tests successfully, but many if not most all of these masks instead come only with the Chinese forged seal CE that means nothing more than "Chinese Exports" and got implemented by Bejing to mislead European customers, the design is very much similar, you need to look very closely. However, such masks must not necessarily be duds, and indeed most likely are not, they claim to comply with British norms which practially are not much, if at all, different to FFP2 norms. Many of thes emasks get used in hospitals as well, CE yes or no.

So the situation has relaxed, yes. Most people do not care and blindly follow what the government tells them: wearing cotton masks instead with dramatically reduced self-protective filtering and dubious efficiency against fine aerosols. I do not use these in rooms and shops, and would consider them only for outdoor use - but I do not wear masks outdoors, but navigate and time my moves and shoppings so that I do not run into groups of people outdoor and rush hours.



Do filtering right, or do not care at all. Alibi compromises are foul compromises. Do it right - or don't care to even get started.

The situation in hospitals also has become relaxed regarding supply with PPE. First corona stations also have been dismantled again already two weeks ago. But the virus is not gone, and number of new infections are growing again, and it is unclear of and in what way the virus has mutated.

Clinical grade hand desinfectant also can be had again via ebay, it was sold out or banned for longer time. However, the prices for Sterillium and such brands still are doubled, compared to January. 1l of it costed 8-12 Euros before, now still costs 15-25 Euros. Thats supppoy and demand. At the hbeioght of thre crisis it was not to be found, and the last prices before that tipped 100 Euros.

Its not over until the fat lady sings. I am still on condition yellow and switch to condition red when entering supermarkets and shops. I wear fitting, unobtrusive laboratory glasses over my regular (small, very open) glasses now when entering shops, by design they are easy to be overlooked by others, so its no big deal, nobody stares. And if he would, I would not care anyway. These glasses were ouzt for months, too, but now are available again.

Discipline of people increasingly starts to drop. They want to not care anymore, its especially the younger ones, student-age.


And there is this story:

At first there was not enough - and now the federal government does not want to pay for excess masks: Numerous procurers of protective equipment from China are threatening lawsuits against the Federal Ministry of Health from Minister Jens Spahn (CDU) for unpaid deliveries.

According to this, a report by the “Spiegel” has been confirmed in government circles that almost 600 million euros are still outstanding. Supplements were awarded to 738 suppliers to buy, among other things, 198 million FFP2 masks and 64 million surgical masks.

As the Tagesspiegel found out from the traders involved, lawyers are preparing lawsuits and orders for payment against Spahn's ministry. When the corona pandemic reached Germany, industry, the federal government and the states were initially unable to meet the mask requirements.

Since other European countries and the USA also urgently needed supplies, adventurous business in China came about in a completely overheated market.

Dealers are now criticizing that the ministry is ignoring inquiries, as are the companies Fiege Logistik company and the management consultancy Ernst & Young that are responsible for the handling.

A total of 1.2 billion euros had been approved for the procurement of protective equipment, of which around 400 million euros have so far been paid out. In order to remedy the bottlenecks, procurement had been organized via a so-called open-house procedure, which the ministry put online via the General Customs Directorate at the end of March and which cost EUR 4.50 for FFP-2 masks and 60 cents for surgical masks.

Many of these small businesses now are threatend by bancrupcty because the minstry doe snto stand by its order and pays them out. Nice move. But Spahn always has been a big mouthed incapable idiot of somewhat totalitarian mindset. Gockel. Ever heard of "pacta sund servanda"...?

[ikalugin]

Well, I guess better than they used to. The chinese CE thing is quite sad tbh.

[Skybird]

Well, I guess better than they used to. The chinese CE thing is quite sad tbh.
Not
so much a sad thing but criminal intention to deceive people.

[Skybird]

.parts of bejing have been sealed off after the virus was found on wooden chopping boards on a meat market. Several infections are already confirmed. Police is reported to be all over the place.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmo_1Tcdp30

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BbuYxiJA1Y

[Jimbuna]

Brazil's death toll becomes second highest in the world, surpassing the UK's with more than 41,000 victims.

Far-right President Jair Bolsonaro continues to play down the virus, focusing on the economic damage of lockdown.

Outbreak from a wholesale market in Beijing leads to fears of a second wave of the virus in the Chinese capital.

Hong Kong's iconic Ocean Park theme park reopens after more than four months of temporary closure.

From today, people living alone in England and Northern Ireland will be able to form a support bubble with another household.

The Queen's official birthday will be marked later with a new ceremony instead of the annual Trooping the Colour parade.

British Airways' treatment of staff during the coronavirus crisis "is a national disgrace", MPs claim.

[Jimbuna]

Thousands of people have gathered in cities across Australia, rallying in support of refugee rights and Black Lives Matter.
The demonstrations have been held despite bans on mass gatherings to contain the spread of coronavirus.

Today is be the first day in months that many people who live alone can spend time with loved ones as new “social bubble" rules come into force in England and Northern Ireland.
Adults who live alone are allowed to visit one other household and are even allowed to stay overnight. In England the same goes for single parents of under-18s.

An official in the Chinese capital Beijing says the city's Fengtai district is on a "wartime emergency footing" as lockdowns are enforced in 11 neighbourhoods over fears of a renewed coronavirus outbreak.

The Americas now account for about half of total confirmed coronavirus cases globally, with Brazil the epicentre of the epicentre.
The largest country in Latin America, it has 828,810 confirmed cases - the highest in the world behind the US. It also has the second-highest death toll in the world (nearly 42,000), having overtaken the UK.

India and Armenia have both reported their biggest daily jump in new infections - 11,458 and 723 respectively. India currently has the fourth-highest number of cases worldwide.

Over 7.6 million cases have been reported worldwide, along with 425,000 deaths, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.

[Skybird]

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:



There is a problem in the search for therapies against Covid-19: Ill subjects are missing for clinical studies

The significant decrease in the number of infections with the new coronavirus Sars-CoV-2 is encouraging - but is creating a new problem in Europe. The many open questions about medicines, vaccines and therapies have to be clarified elsewhere.

"Thank God the number of Covid 19 patients has decreased significantly in many European countries." In recent weeks, doctors, politicians and probably many other people have launched this sigh. But for some doctors and researchers, this also has disadvantages: there are no patients who could participate in clinical studies.
Studies are stalling

A large number of studies that have been worked out during the heyday of the pandemic in Switzerland, Germany or elsewhere in Europe have recently started or are ready to start. This ranges from testing well-known drugs or treatments for their effectiveness in Covid-19 to examining therapeutic approaches that were developed from the observation of Covid-19 patients. But now it stops.

"We'll wait and see and keep the studies open for the time being, at least for the coming weeks." This is almost the standard answer to questions about studies and their results. Of course, nobody hopes that there will soon be a second major wave of infections in Europe. But actually this would only really get many studies going again. Because without a sufficient number of patients, statistically reliable data can hardly be obtained.

Not only the study directors and their teams are hanging in the air. The fact that a whole series of important medical questions remain unanswered is far more serious. Should the often conjured up second wave actually come to a greater extent, these answers will literally be painfully absent. In view of the corona pandemic, all the studies compared to those for other diseases were devised and approved unusually quickly.

The gratifyingly low number of new Sars-CoV-2 infections in Europe could also create major problems for the numerous vaccination studies that have already started or will start shortly. When there are hardly any infections, it can only be said in many months or even years whether an experimental vaccine will actually protect you. After all, the vaccinated subjects hardly have the opportunity to meet the virus and find out whether the vaccination protects or not.
Continuation abroad is often not possible

The apparently obvious solution would be to continue all the studies started in those countries in which Sars-CoV-2 is still rampant. However, due to regulations, it is simply not possible to suddenly use funds that were spoken for studies in Switzerland in another country, says Nils Kucher from the University Hospital Zurich. In a study, he wants to investigate the use of blood thinners for community-treated Covid 19 patients. Studies started in Germany could at best include patients from other EU countries, but the organizers and donors would have to agree to that, explains Peter Kremsner from the University of Tübingen. He wants to investigate the effectiveness of the controversial HCQ malaria drug on Covid-19.

But recruiting patients from countries with intensive Sars CoV 2 events like the USA, Brazil, Russia or now Iran again is much more difficult. To do this, you would have to have the study protocol approved separately in each country and then find new organizers, donors and also hospitals and medical teams willing to cooperate on site. Both doctors emphasized that a research team at a university with naturally limited financial and human resources could not do this. On the other hand, if a large pharmaceutical company with a worldwide network is behind the trials, there is a possibility that it will now shift its research activities. According to reports, some companies are already doing this.

It is therefore to be hoped that the necessary studies, perhaps based on the projects already started in Germany, will now be carried out quickly in countries with a high level of coronavirus activity - and that the conditions are comparable to those in Europe and the results are therefore transferable. Because we will probably all need the answers sooner or later.

This problem is not unknown with research projects on virus and development of drugs and vaccines for them. Its one of the reasons why the work usually last years and years and sometime snever finds an end to such projects. This does not mean that the danger is over, the virusses often keep coming back. ebola is such an exmaple. resarch on it was difficult - and still is, I think - for the reasons described above.


Many people over here fall victim to the dilemma that the success of lock down in reucing cas enumbers has reduced the cas enumbers - and that now serves as an excuse to question that the measurements were necessa yin the first.


Hygienics experts point out that the late reaction of making masks mandatory has created in the first the need to loock down. if we would have started to carry masks in late January, we may have gotten around a total lock down. I could kagien that this indeed holds truth. But even in this forum i was attacked back then for telling people they should wear masks - and I was late, it was early March when I started to raise that recomemndation. Everybody who wnated to see and had an understanding of ogarithimc progressions, could have known by then at the latest what was coming down our way.

[em2nought]

oops wrong thread

[mapuc]

Take a look at this visualisation.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2637725/?fbclid=IwAR3eY1Zmo77Yf5E0b8vR0DikkSlPF-xhnkpeyyL09Oxj6turOHgOsuZcz4s

Markus

[Catfish]

But it's.. just the flu

[Jimbuna]

But it's.. just the flu

I've a neighbour who said this for the first month and I've never let him forget it.

[mapuc]

Social distancing and the human pattern of behavior.

Toke the bus to one of my neighbour town. As we arrived to the busstop I noticed people was standing 1½- 2 meter apart.

This was only until the bus had opened its backdoor.

Then suddenly there was 5-6 people standing very close and everyone tried to get on the bus at same time, while we who had to get off, had to wait.

So you can't beat human behaviors.

Markus

[Skybird]

Social distancing and the human pattern of behavior.

Toke the bus to one of my neighbour town. As we arrived to the busstop I noticed people was standing 1½- 2 meter apart.

This was only until the bus had opened its backdoor.

Then suddenly there was 5-6 people standing very close and everyone tried to get on the bus at same time, while we who had to get off, had to wait.

So you can't beat human behaviors.

Markus
Can'T avoid busses? No altenmrtaive? Bicycle? Ebike? Car? Public traffic is a petri dish with breeding culture, unavoidably.

[mapuc]

Can'T avoid busses? No altenmrtaive? Bicycle? Ebike? Car? Public traffic is a petri dish with breeding culture, unavoidably.

When I have to use the public transportation I sit where there are at least 2 meters to the next passanger. And I wait until most of them have left the bus.

I also travel, when there's almost none in the bus.
Morning and afternoon is a bad time, children are on their way to school and grown-ups are on their way home from work.

Markus

[THE_MASK]

Put a 500 % import tax on all chinese goods . Get it over and done with .

[d@rk51d3]

Thousands of people have gathered in cities across Australia, rallying in support of refugee rights and Black Lives Matter.
The demonstrations have been held despite bans on mass gatherings to contain the spread of coronavirus.


At least 1 protestor has been confirmed as infected and contagious.
I guess black lives didn’t really matter to him after all.

[Skybird]

They will reap what they sow. But unfair against those who did not attend these demonstrations but will get hit by people who went there and caught the virus. But those who went there have to expect nothing in sympathy from me if they catch it.

[Jimbuna]

India records 11,929 coronavirus cases in 24 hours – its highest single-day figure to date.

Chile, Argentina, Peru and Colombia all report a record number of Covid-19 infections, amid mounting concerns about its spread in Latin America.

In the UK, leading psychologists have called the delay in getting children back to school a “national disaster” that endangers their mental health.

UK PM Boris Johnson has launched a review of the 2m distancing rule, after warnings it could cripple the hospitality industry.

The Australian states of New South Wales and Victoria plan to ease restrictions at libraries, community centres and nightclubs despite increases in new infections.

There have now been more than 7.7 million cases worldwide and more than 430,000 deaths, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University.

[Skybird]

In the UK, leading psychologists have called the delay in getting children back to school a “national disaster” that endangers their mental health.

Over here as well, but this psychologist at my end of th wire does not buy it. Over here at least it often is comign from an opinion camp that wants all measurements and restrictions lifted better yesterday than today, and that denies the virus danger in general. And just btw, a recent huge study claimed that school closings probably were the most important singular measurement taken in preventing further infections.

Children living in the Donebass region and listening to artillery every night, or children shuttling around the globe on the migrants' treks - that are desasters that endager children's mental health. Lacking vaccines. No school educaiton for girls in Muslim countries. And so forth.

Due to an illness of my mother, when I switched from elementary school to high school/gymnasium, and us also beign in a move from Lübeck (Schleswig-Holstein) to Berlin, I was trapped for a few months in an absurd situation. Back then the federal states had elementary school lasting for 4 years, but in Berlin it lasts 6 years. So in Lübeck i left elementary after my 4th class and went to gymnasium for one year, then we moved to Berlin, where I was to move from 5th to 6th class and therefore had to go back to elementary school. Then my mother became ill and she and I moved to Münster to her parents for a little bit less than one year, where it was gymnasium suddenly for me again, and when then me moved back (all within my 6th class year) to Berlin for the beginning of my 7th class, in Berlin i was then moved to gymnasium. But before that 7th class, in the move to Berlin, my parents delayed my school attendance, so that I would not need to have to switch back to elemntary school for some months once again, (third time it would have been), and so it happened that all of a sudden I had a holiday season of almost 4 months, including regular 6 weeks of summer holiday in Berlin.

The break did not damage my mental sanity. That I had no friends left from all that moving and school switching, also did not hurt my mental health. Instead, I enjoyed it tremendously. :salute: It was heaven, I did a lot of chess and read a lot of astronomy and youth physics books. At an age when the time still was wide and the world still held wonders.

[Onkel Neal]

I've a neighbour who said this for the first month and I've never let him forget it.

I know a lady who said this back in March and now she's gone.

Cases in Texas are starting to pick up fast. Still way below the available hospital bed supply, though. Some of my relatives think it's all a big hoax and are kinda proud about not social distancing. :O:

[Jimbuna]

I know a lady who said this back in March and now she's gone.

Cases in Texas are starting to pick up fast. Still way below the available hospital bed supply, though. Some of my relatives think it's all a big hoax and are kinda proud about not social distancing. :O:

You stay safe Neal and let the foolish ones take their own chances.

[Mr Quatro]

Some of my relatives think it's all a big hoax and are kinda proud about not social distancing.

Same here, but mine even think that it is a government hoax to control us ... :oops:

If I do get Covid-19 it's because I stayed home and only went out to the post office or the store once in a while.

Took six weeks to get mask from China and two weeks to get hand sanitizer from walmart.

Fear means respect to me and I won't even go to church for fear they will share the virus like I've heard other church groups have and even birthday parties :yep:

How brave of all those protestors to rant and rave ... if they don't get sick then something is wrong with the whole process of social distancing.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_a8HyXnFU4

[Skybird]

Uaaahhh - the virus in Bejing they say is of a new strain. :dead:

[Jimbuna]

Uaaahhh - the virus in Bejing they say is of a new strain. :dead:

I certainly hope not.

[mapuc]

After having read Skybird's comment I made search and found this article.

Zeng revealed that preliminary results from viral gene sequencing show that the virus strain in Beijing this time does not resemble the type widely circulating in the country.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191520.shtml

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

How odd seeing how China has stated that no one has died from the new outbreak or even show symptoms from the new outbreak.

Only that a cutting board for salmon was found in the market place to have covid-19 and 56 people were quarantined with the market closing. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Covid 19 does kill neither all nor immediately once the infection broke out. There is also a latency period.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ajw9Zv_358

[Jimbuna]

Shops in England selling non-essential items open for first time in almost three months.

From Monday, anyone on public transport in England must wear a mask.

In France, travel to other EU countries is allowed, and cafes and restaurants can open.

Other European countries are also easing border restrictions.

In Beijing, a spike in cases continues, with 36 more cases recorded.

Globally, there have been 7.9m confirmed cases since the outbreak began and 433,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

In Northern Ireland, the Department of Health has recorded no new deaths linked to Covid-19 since yesterday.

In its daily update, it said the total number of coronavirus deaths there remains at 541. This mainly comprises deaths in hospital and includes some, but not all, deaths in other settings.

In Wales, four more people with coronavirus are reported to have died in Wales, taking deaths there to 1,448.

In Scotland, no deaths of people who tested positive for Covid-19 have been registered in the past 24 hours, the third time the figure has remained the same since lockdown began, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced. A total of 2,448 patients have died in Scotland after testing positive for the virus.

The Department of Health and Social Care has yet to release the latest UK wide figures.

[Mr Quatro]

In Northern Ireland, the Department of Health has recorded no new deaths linked to Covid-19 since yesterday.

In its daily update, it said the total number of coronavirus deaths there remains at 541. This mainly comprises deaths in hospital and includes some, but not all, deaths in other settings.

In Wales, four more people with coronavirus are reported to have died in Wales, taking deaths there to 1,448.

In Scotland, no deaths of people who tested positive for Covid-19 have been registered in the past 24 hours, the third time the figure has remained the same since lockdown began, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced. A total of 2,448 patients have died in Scotland after testing positive for the virus.

The Department of Health and Social Care has yet to release the latest UK wide figures.

Sounds of improvement in your area of the world Jim :up:
Thanks for keeping us informed ... We mostly get news of the virus is still on the rise in half of the USA and the warning to wear mask and to keep on social distancing while gangs of protesting people roam every major city in America.:o

[Skybird]

A Chinese news platform reported that several patients claimed to have had symptoms already since ten days. So the new strain in Bejing maybe is in the wild already since longer time than assumed. In May there were repotts by Chinese scientists claiming that in regions near the border to Russia people seem to have longer lasting incubation times, meaning they carry (and spread) the virus for longer time before they form symptoms themselves.

[Jimbuna]

Sounds of improvement in your area of the world Jim :up:
Thanks for keeping us informed

No problem matey, I like to keep up on current events and especially those of such a magnitude.

[Skybird]

The Food and Drug Administration (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/trump-fda-hahn-coronavirus-covid-reversals/index.html)has revoked its emergency use authorization for the drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the
treatment of Covid-19. Hydroxychloroquine was frequently touted by President Donald Trump, and he has claimed to have used it himself (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/politics/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/index.html).

After reviewing the current research available on the drugs, the FDA determined that the drugs do not meet "the statutory criteria" for
emergency use authorization as they are unlikely to be effective in treating Covid-19 based on the latest scientific evidence, the agency
noted on its website (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization) on Monday.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/fda-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/index.html

[ET2SN]

I certainly hope not.

A "new" virus will mutate as it adapts to its new hosts. :arrgh!:
This might be a "good" mutation making it more benign, or it might not. :o

[Mr Quatro]

After reviewing the current research available on the drugs, the FDA determined that the drugs do not meet "the statutory criteria" for
emergency use authorization as they are unlikely to be effective in treating Covid-19 based on the latest scientific evidence, the agency
noted on its website (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization) on Monday.


Monday's action will not affect clinical trials, which are expected to continue.

[Skybird]

The biggest german informaiton site on Vitmaine D., and it is good stuff they bring there. Many sub pages, its a website deicated toi Vitmaine D, I can only recommend to use Googles website translator and see how far you get with that. The authors are all doctors from various branches. No product advertising, and apprently no commercial interest or ties to selling companies.

https://www.vitamind.net/dosierung/

I was questioned/criticised for my numer recomemndations, but I am confirmed by these authors. Their rule of thumb (and a rule of thumb is a rule of thumb, niot more and not less) is 50 IE Vit D per kg body weight, and 2-3 micrograms Vitamine K2 per kg body weight to keep levels over time, even much higher entrance doses for Vitmaine D for a short time in the beginning. Go and do the math, I said 20000 per day for 1-2 weeks, then reduce to 10,000 for another 2 weeks, and then reduce to 5000. Hypercalcemia they say doe snot become an issue with daily doses not exceeding 40000 or a single intrioeduciton dose of 300000 IE. So we are absolutely is safe terrainw nith thse much lower recommended doses.

They stress that the overwhelming majority of Vitamine-D specialised researchers and doctors agree that the conventional official recommendations by state authorities and institutions are way, way too low. 800 IEs and such? Forget it. That is nonsense, that does not even cover the needed absolute minimums, not even closely.

They too say, like I repeatedly said:: Vit-D only together with Vit K2, and Magnesium.

BTW, the need for K2 is a constant one, even if you take Vit-D just every couple of days or ever 1-2 weeks only (it can be store din the body for up to 19 days, so you can do that indeed). K2 should be taken every day nevertheless.

The more away form normal body wieght you are, the fatter you are,m the more the dose shoudk be raised for both D and K2, to compensate. Vit D gets sotre din muscles and fat cells and thereofre the more fat you have the more difficult is it for you to raise the level of Vit D in your blood.

BTW, I got my blood test results today, and I had asked last week to include a test for Vit D levels (which i had to pay myself for, 32 Euros...) Doc was surprised and liked what I explained about it. My levels are now at the upper top of what is considered to be the ideal zone, almost 100 ng/ml, that was my target mark - and I reached it in blind flight without a test at the start. I will do another one in three months to see that I do not get much beyodn that. A fluctuation, some more or less is okay, but it should not much further up. Its not yet dangerous, far from it, but it simply is wasted, probably, not further beneficial for me. Why wasting money?

----

I must apologize for one mistake I repeatedly made in earlier psoting son this, I picked the wrong units scale when talking about blood levels in earlier postings, I gave the right numbers, but used the wrong units. I talked of nmol/l, where I was using the numbers from the scale using ng/ml. The numbers are right, the units were wrong. Sorry. 1 ng/ml = 25 nmol/l My mistake, sorry. But why cant they just agree to use just one scale...

[Mr Quatro]

Did you hear the latest? New York has been ordered not to ask the contact tracers to ask if the people they are contacting were protesters ...

I'm on my Amazon 10 pad right now and can't prove it, but it's real ... I can't believe it :o

[vienna]

Are they being told to not ask if they were at a Trump rally...?...





<O>

[Catfish]

It is all a left wing conspiracy.
It is all the EU's fault.

[Cybermat47]

I blame the syndicalists. We need Huey Long.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4SQ-NOV-iU

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281



A cheap and widely available drug called dexamethasone can help save the lives of patients who are seriously ill with coronavirus.
UK experts say the low-dose steroid treatment is major breakthrough in the fight against the deadly virus.
It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators. For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth.
The drug is part of the world's biggest trial testing existing treatments (https://www.recoverytrial.net/) to see if they also work for coronavirus.




The second find. The first was Remdesivir reducing the time that serious cases were ill from on average 14 to 11 days.



Tediously the squirrel nourishes itself. (:) German phrase). But it does.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9iKdivmJg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0TK_Syn9I

[Jimbuna]

First drug proven to cut Covid-19 deaths is found by a global study.

Cheap and widely available Dexamethasone effective on seriously ill.

Further 233 deaths registered in the UK - total to have died now 41,969

There have been more than 8m confirmed virus cases worldwide, according to Johns Hopkins University.

NZ reports two new cases after a month without any, both recent arrivals from the UK

More than 600,000 workers lost their jobs in the UK between March and May.

Hospitals in the Indian capital Delhi are overwhelmed, but officials have ruled out a new lockdown.

[mapuc]

Some just don't care for his next of kind.

A demonstration with 15000 people was gathered in Copenhagen, they protested against police brutality. The organization behind this demonstration, was the Danish section of BLM.

It have now been revealed that one of these demonstrators, was what we call a spreader.

Today the minister of health have said that those who toke part in this demonstration should get them self tested.

My comment to this.

This demonstration toke place on June 7.
A person who gets infected infect others, while s/he doesn't show any symptoms. Was it 2 to 4 day after an infection, a person started to infect others ?

This mean a person who got infected by this person on June 7 have started to infect others in their surroundings from June 9 or June 11.

I don't know if person number 1, knew s/he was infected or not, when this person joined the demonstration.

If this person did know -then the authorities should sue this person, for having put other peoples life in danger.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq7MbKrfcXU

[Platapus]

Cheap and widely available Dexamethasone effective on seriously ill.






When it gets to the USA, it will be a thousand dollars a dose. :(

[vienna]

When it gets to the USA, it will be a thousand dollars a dose. :(


...and we'll find the insurance won't cover it...





<O>

[Skybird]

50 Euros it costs, they said. Its really cheap.

[Jimbuna]

50 Euros it costs, they said. Its really cheap.

And being reported as being available in most of the world.

[Jimbuna]

Millions of people in Beijing are living under renewed restrictions, as a spike in virus cases continues.

The city reported another 31 cases on Wednesday, bringing the total to 137 in the past week.

Before the recent spike, the Chinese capital had gone 57 days without a locally-transmitted case (believe that one if you like).

The outbreak is believed to have started in the massive Xinfandi food market that supplies 80% of the city's meat and vegetables.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53074076

[Jimbuna]

New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern orders the military to oversee the country's quarantine and border operations.
It comes after two people allowed out early later tested positive for coronavirus.

Any visitors for Russian President Vladimir Putin must pass through a special disinfection tunnel, state media report.

Beijing's virus spike continues, as restrictions on travel are tightened.

Three US states have reported record new infections.

Brazil reports almost 35,000 new cases - its highest daily figure.

In England, Premier League football resumes on Wednesday evening.

Globally, there have been 8.1m confirmed cases since the outbreak began, and 441,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

Israeli researchers say they have created a reusable face mask which cleans itself with heat.
The mask has a USB port which connects to a power source and heats its inner layer of carbon fibres by up to 70C - a temperature high enough to destroy coronavirus.
Users are advised not to wear the mask during the disinfection process, which takes roughly 30 minutes, Yair Ein-Eli told Reuters news agency.
Ein-Eli led the research at Israel's Technion University, spurred by widening disparities between global supply and demand for masks.
The researchers have filed a patent for the mask in the US, and plan to sell it commercially.

Greece has seen relatively few cases of coronavirus. According to Johns Hopkins University data, it has recorded 3,148 confirmed infections and 185 deaths, and the government has already allowed businesses to reopen and travel to restart across the country.
As of Monday, authorities have also allowed brothels to reopen - albeit under strict new guidelines.
Visits are limited to 15 minutes per customer, with masks recommended for workers and clients.
Doors and windows should be kept open to allow fresh air in, payment should only be by card and not by cash, and businesses should keep a list of clients - along with their names and phone numbers - in a sealed envelope for four weeks, in case authorities need to trace infections.

[Skybird]

Israeli researchers say they have created a reusable face mask which cleans itself with heat.
The mask has a USB port which connects to a power source and heats its inner layer of carbon fibres by up to 70C - a temperature high enough to destroy coronavirus.
Users are advised not to wear the mask during the disinfection process, which takes roughly 30 minutes, Yair Ein-Eli told Reuters news agency.
Ein-Eli led the research at Israel's Technion University, spurred by widening disparities between global supply and demand for masks.
The researchers have filed a patent for the mask in the US, and plan to sell it commercially.


10° more and you could boil Japanese green tea with it.

[Skybird]

Number of deaths in the US now exceed US losses of WWI.



As it currently goes, I think 200,000 will be reachedby the end of the year, maybe even before the election.

[Rockstar]

Well, when I add it up over 171,000 Europeans have died so far from COVID-19. Id wager you get to that 200,000 mark before we do.

[Mr Quatro]

Number of deaths in the US now exceed US losses of WWI.

As it currently goes, I think 200,000 will be reached by the end of the year, maybe even before the election.

Actually this has been reported in the US news as being by October

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-model-projects-200-000-people-could-die-by-october-why-that-number-might-be-low/ar-BB15y6eS?ocid=bingcoronaviruslinks

A mix of early reopenings and disregard for personal safety measures have prompted researchers to increase their projections of Covid-19 deaths this summer.

One model cited by the White House now predicts 200,000 US deaths from coronavirus by October 1 -- an increase of 30,000 deaths since last week's projection by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.


But I don't think it will change the outcome of the National election November 3rd add the regular flu deaths of 64,000 and the drug overdose deaths of 70,000 and you have one big number that doesn't even include car wrecks and cancer and homicides. :yep:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6911a4.htm


70,237 drug overdose deaths in the United States in 2017, approximately two thirds (47,600) involved an opioid

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgeNeAuLX8o

[Jimbuna]

A further 184 people have died with the coronavirus across all settings in the UK, taking the country's total death toll to 42,153.

The Department for Health and Social Care said an additional 1,115 people tested positive for Covid-19 in the 24 hours to 09:00 on Wednesday.

[Skybird]

Well, when I add it up over 171,000 Europeans have died so far from COVID-19. Id wager you get to that 200,000 mark before we do.
If you are after scoring points in this competition, then consider please that "Europe" has a much bigger population than the US. Almost 2.3 times as many. :03: Or consider that Germany has just one a quarter of your population - but just a 1/13th of you number of deaths.



P.S. You seem to think that I posted a criticism, but I did not, i just pointed out a sad landmark. What you took as an attack against which you had to retaliate - in fact was an expression of sympathy.

[mapuc]

Maybe it's not important.

Europe consist of many countries and not one big.
(even though there are some Pro-EU supporters and politicians, who have such a dream)

Markus

[Rockstar]

If you are after scoring points in this competition, then consider please that "Europe" has a much bigger population than the US. Almost 2.3 times as many. :03: Or consider that Germany has just one a quarter of your population - but just a 1/13th of you number of deaths.



P.S. You seem to think that I posted a criticism, but I did not, i just pointed out a sad landmark. What you took as an attack against which you had to retaliate - in fact was an expression of sympathy.




No matter how you look at its still over 171,000 Europeans dead.



Not offended, I just find it odd that its never reported, never mentioned, never a thought given, its simply out of sight and out of mind. But I suppose the illusion of nationalism is necessary that Schengen and E.U. leadership may survive. :)

[Skybird]

Europe is no singular nation, but many nations, and so the numbers are given for individual states as well. The EU is neither a state, nor is it all of Europe. The federal states of the US are no nations, but parts of one nation.



Thats why.



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Note that the table can be sorted and can be arranged what columns to show and what geographic parts of the world and whethersorting by high or low values first.

[Skybird]

The Food and Drug Administration (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/trump-fda-hahn-coronavirus-covid-reversals/index.html)has revoked its emergency use authorization for the drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the
treatment of Covid-19. Hydroxychloroquine was frequently touted by President Donald Trump, and he has claimed to have used it himself (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/politics/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/index.html).

After reviewing the current research available on the drugs, the FDA determined that the drugs do not meet "the statutory criteria" for
emergency use authorization as they are unlikely to be effective in treating Covid-19 based on the latest scientific evidence, the agency
noted on its website (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization) on Monday.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/fda-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/index.html


Now the WHO has stopped clincal trials with hydroxychloroquine as well.

[Skybird]

The German Corona app for smartphones has launched on Tuesday. It stores data not centrally, but on the individual phones only, and these data get automatically deleted after 14 days. The data cannot get collected by third parties. The source code was made available on the web, so that external experts and the CCC could check it for possible backdoors and security issues, and found none. Data protection and anonymity, by all what I can read, are completely given. The Chaos Computer Club's experts give it all green lights.

Whether the app can be effective for anything, remains to be seen, but it has won trust with flying colours. It was downloaded 6.5 million times already on day one.

Android position detecton must be allowed for tis app for formal reasons only (you can switch that pemrission on and off individually for every installed app) , since modern versions of Android demand that as a prerequisite for allowing to activate Bluetooth. The data on position gets not collected by the app or by Google, they say, it is not relevant for the purpose. The Bluetooth signal and it strength alone as well as exposure time determines whether an alarm is given if one of the stored encrypted detection numbers reports to have gotten infected. Its all voluntary, and data and app can be reset any time.

One can question whether this can have any effect anymore, but this transparency and total control by the user is the reason why after lots of scepticism and a rough start the app nevertheless has won a lot of tolerance and only positive feedback even by the most critical of critics before. There is hope that due to these reasons many people will download and use it.

I tolerate and even use it, but my expectation of its positive effects are muted. I see its importance rather limited.

You need internet connections only for updating the contact list once a day or so. GPS is not needed, only Bluetooth. Constant online connection is not needed.



The apps that have been ther ein fRance and other European coutnries, stored data centrally and were intransparent, and so were not olerated by people. After two weeks the French app still was not even used by 1% of the people. I think they have withdrawn it for now. So the nGermans were late, but it seems that this time they really made everything better.

[Jimbuna]

At least another 130,000 people worldwide have died during the coronavirus pandemic on top of 440,000 officially recorded deaths from the virus, according to BBC research.

A review of preliminary mortality data from 27 countries shows that in many places the number of overall deaths during the pandemic has been higher than normal, even when accounting for the virus.

These so-called "excess deaths", the number of deaths above the average, suggest the human impact of the pandemic far exceeds the official figures reported by governments around the world.

Some will be unrecorded Covid-19 victims, but others may be the result of the strain on healthcare systems and a variety of other factors.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53073046

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5TjECv9-iY

[Jimbuna]

Health Secretary Matt Hancock led the UK government briefing.

More than one in four people who test positive cannot be reached by the test and trace system in England, data shows.

In a major U-turn, the UK is shifting its tracing app to a model based on technology provided by Apple and Google.

Bank of England announces £100bn in fresh stimulus to support the UK economy.

There are more than 240,000 virus cases in Peru, which puts the total over hard-hit Italy.

At least 130,000 people more than expected have died during the pandemic, the BBC finds.

Globally there are 8.3m recorded cases with more than 448,000 deaths.

[Jimbuna]

The UK lowers its coronavirus alert level from four to three.

The new level means the epidemic is in "general circulation" and allows social distancing to be relaxed.

South Asian people are most likely to die from coronavirus in hospital in Great Britain, a major analysis shows.

Leading US government expert Dr Anthony Fauci tells AFP news agency he doesn't see the country returning to lockdowns.

Chinese officials say a coronavirus strain in an outbreak in Beijing may have come from Europe.

The World Health Organization hopes millions of vaccines can be produced this year and 2bn by the end of 2021

Japan allows more businesses back to work and Singapore also lifts some restrictions.

Globally, there are almost 8.5m cases and more than 453,000 deaths with the coronavirus.

[Jimbuna]

Jewish men are twice as likely to die with Covid-19 and Jewish women 20% more likely to die with Covid-19 than Christian men and women, according to analysis from the Office for National Statistics.

The death rate from coronavirus is twice as high for people with disabilities, according to analysis by the Office for National Statistics.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the lowering of the Covid-19 alert level from four to three is a "big moment" for the UK and shows the "government's plan is working".

Coronavirus was already present in northern Italy in December 2019, some two months before the first known case was diagnosed, according to a study by Italy's national health institute, the ISS.

Countrywide "smart lockdowns" have been put in place in Pakistan to combat coronavirus spread, but the country’s medical community is questioning just how smart the lockdowns are.

EU leaders are gathering virtually for a video summit focused on an ambitious €750bn (£676bn; $840bn) EU recovery fund to deal with the coronavirus crisis.

A woman in the Republic of Ireland has been moved out of intensive care after spending 79 days on a ventilator.

Wales' First Minister, Mark Drakeford, says lockdown measures have been succeeding, meaning more restrictions can be eased over coming weeks.

[Skybird]

Chinese officials say a coronavirus strain in an outbreak in Beijing may have come from Europe.

The allmighty party had ruled in April that the pandemic is over and the virus uis done. That it now is back is a big loss of face for said party. That means: we will see many announcements now saying the virus comes from outside, from foreign places, from the mars or the outer solar system - just not from inside China.


A question of "honour", they think.

[Catfish]

"Saving face" .. what real honour can it be if te storyteller including the population know exactly what an idiot he is, and the whitewashing is just done to make it look clean from the outside. Dialectics, or better: lies.

Seems to begin also in the West, looking at Johnson or Trump.

[Skybird]

Seems to begin also in the West, looking at Johnson or Trump.
They both never cared for saving their faces, they only care for spilling enough oil into the flames so that their broth keeps on seething to feed their pretorians, and so that the steam in the air keeps on obstructing the clear view.

[Jimbuna]

The government is planning to relax its travel quarantine rules in early July for some countries.

Talks are taking place between UK officials and those in a number of European countries, including Portugal.

However, the UK hopes to make an announcement on 29 June that it has secured a number of "travel corridors".

The government had previously said that the quarantine would be reviewed every three weeks and 29 June marks the end of the first three-week period.

A travel corridor would mean that two people travelling in both directions between two countries would not have to self-isolate after they travel.

A senior aviation source has told the BBC that the quarantine could remain throughout the summer for anyone arriving from countries which do not have a travel corridor with the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53104733

[Jimbuna]

World Health Organization says there were 150,000 new cases on Thursday - half from the Americas.

Cases are accelerating just as people are "fed up" of lockdown, WHO head says.

Education Secretary Gavin Williamson says all pupils will go back to classrooms in England in September.

The UK lowers its coronavirus alert level from four to three.

The new level means the epidemic is in "general circulation" and there could be a "gradual relaxation of restrictions"

South Asian people are most likely to die from coronavirus in hospital in Great Britain, a major analysis shows.

Chinese officials say a coronavirus strain in an outbreak in Beijing may have come from Europe.

Globally, there are almost 8.5m cases and more than 453,000 deaths with the coronavirus.

[Skybird]

A new German study that was preprint until yesterday and now got published in the New England Journal of Medicine, shows that blood group is a relevant factor. The risk for s severe going of the disease is raised by 50% for people with blood group A, and is reduced by 50% for blood group 0. The study bases on over 1600 patients from 7 Spanish and Italian hospitals.