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Onkel Neal

01-18-21, 11:11 AM

This is depressing...

Almost a third of recovered COVID-19 patients end up back in the hospital within five months — and up to one in eight die of complications from the illness, according to a report.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/17/almost-third-recovered-covid-patients-return-hospital-five-months/

https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/1-in-8-recovered-covid-19-patients-die-within-5-months-study/

If that is factored into the lethality rate, I wonder where that puts it?

Out of 47,780 people who were discharged from hospital in the first wave, 29.4 per cent were readmitted to hospital within 140 days, and 12.3 per cent of the total died.

The current cut-off point for recording Covid deaths is 28 days after a positive test, so it may mean thousands more people should be included in the coronavirus death statistics.

Mr Quatro

01-18-21, 11:22 AM

This is depressing...

If that is factored into the lethality rate, I wonder where that puts it?

Yes this is thought provoking ... I wonder if it has anything to do with the germs are still in the residence where the person or persons have been living?

So if you get Covid-19 and survive ... move :o

If so then Biden should live somewhere else till the White House has been super cleaned :yep:

Doctors have this new blue spray the nurses spray on their hands to show germs, but I think it's very expensive.

mapuc

01-18-21, 11:55 AM

This made me sad.

A friend of mine had posted a bulletin on his wall. It was about Corona-Not exactly an anti Corona thing, but merely about how tired he was about all this restrictions.

In one of the comment(one of his friend) Wrote.

I'm fighting for my life-I was tested positive Jan 6 or was it 7 Jan.
He told us, he is in ER, laying with a oxygen mask. Difficult breathing.

What made me even more sad is that there are those who are 110 % convince, that this Corona is a hoax and would not hesitate to accuse this friends friend for lying.

It would demolish their belief-so it's better to accuse others for having lied

Markus

Skybird

01-18-21, 01:31 PM

Yes this is thought provoking ... I wonder if it has anything to do with the germs are still in the residence where the person or persons have been living?

So if you get Covid-19 and survive ... move :o

Most likely: No. From what we know, Sars-CoV-2 virusses are not different than other virusses and do not resist UV/sunlight, dryness and so forth for longer than normal. Virusses in general like moisture, darkness/no UV, low temperatures. In nature, you find them in places and animals living in caves, for exmaple, but you are unlikely to get virusses from contacting with a tree's leaves or flowing waters. They do not remain active tjis way for long.

Last spring the virus was found by several studies to survive in the range of hours to few days on different surfaces. Of concern for me thus are surfaces of boxes and packages I have just shopped and brought home, as an example, I clean them with desinfectant swipes, but when they laid around for some time and days, i am not concerned of them anymore.

Bacteria are something different.

Jimbuna

01-18-21, 02:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQyhjQUjHjU

Jimbuna

01-18-21, 02:07 PM

Health Secretary Matt Hancock says 37,475 people are in UK hospitals with the virus - the highest total yet.

Someone is being admitted to hospital with coronavirus every 30 seconds, Hancock adds.

A further 599 people have died within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test.

Four million vaccine doses have been delivered, the health secretary says.

He urges people not to stop following social distancing and other basic measures, saying "don't blow it now"

Dr Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser to NHS Test and Trace, says more than 37,000 cases have been detected in recent weeks using lateral flow testing.

Prof Stephen Powis, national medical director for NHS England, says there is increasing pressure on the NHS with around 15,000 admitted since Christmas Eve.

The health secretary says he is "inspired" by the ways people are helping one another in this "great national effort"

Asked if people should feel confident about booking holidays, Matt Hancock says he will be going to Cornwall in the summer.

Jimbuna

01-18-21, 02:14 PM

A further 37,535 people in the UK have tested positive for coronavirus, bringing the total to 314,980.

There have been a further 599 deaths, of people who had tested positive within the previous 28 days. The total number of UK deaths stands at 89,860.

More than four million people in the UK have now been vaccinated, with the latest figures putting the total at 4,062,501.

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skidman

01-18-21, 02:41 PM

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Jimbuna

01-18-21, 02:46 PM

COVID-19: The excuses people have been giving for breaking lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-the-excuses-people-have-been-giving-for-breaking-lockdown-12185693

skidman

01-18-21, 05:14 PM

Pokemon hunters? That almost beats the 170 worshippers Police found on Saturday night in Berlin, singing and praying loudly and without masks.

Mr Quatro

01-18-21, 06:15 PM

In America these are the people getting the shots first :o

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/norway-reviewing-deaths-of-frail-and-elderly-patients-vaccinated-against-covid-19/ar-BB1cRIQI?ocid=BingNews

Doctors in Norway are investigating the deaths of 23 elderly patients who had received the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, looking into the possibility that adverse reactions to the shot "may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients."

Skybird

01-19-21, 07:01 AM

China has the biggest mouth in lying propaganda and the worst security in scientific research. Its sickening to see how the world is trying hard to dance to their music. Why the WHO even cared for sending that examination team over and now wonders why it gets blocked, is beyond me.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.dw.com/de/mangelnde-sicherheit-bei-corona-forschung-in-china/a-56266516

ET2SN

01-19-21, 08:08 AM

Someone is being admitted to hospital with coronavirus every 30 seconds,

That must be the most unlucky person in all of Europe or else they are a hypochondriac. :hmmm:

Sorry, its based off an old bit by George Carlin. :O:

Jimbuna

01-19-21, 10:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at-ZqpSRL_c

Jimbuna

01-19-21, 10:30 AM

Scotland's lockdown is extended until at least the middle of February; most school pupils will continue to learn from home.

One in 10 people in the UK had antibodies against the virus by December, national statistics show.

Almost 96,000 people have died with the virus, death certificates indicate.

Five times as many children are now at school in England - compared to figures from last year's lockdown.

Criminal justice watchdogs have "grave concerns" about court backlogs.

Campaigners take the UK government to court over claims support scheme discriminated against self-employed mothers.

Stress, depression and anxiety among parents has increased with lockdown pressures, research suggests.

Joe Biden's spokeswoman says the US will maintain travel bans on the UK, much of the EU and Brazil to mitigate spread of Covid-19

Two more Australian Open tennis players test positive.

Jimbuna

01-19-21, 10:48 AM

Coronavirus deaths are rising in nearly two-thirds of American states as a winter surge pushes the overall toll toward 400,000

The Italian government faces a crunch Senate vote of confidence this morning, after ex-Prime Minister Matteo Renzi pulled his ministers out of the cabinet in a row over how to spend EU Covid funding. Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte was backed by MPs last night but needs opposition support to survive in the Senate and he’s appealed for stability in the grip of the pandemic.

Germany is set to extend its lockdown today and probably tighten it too, when Chancellor Angela Merkel holds a video meeting with 16 state premiers. One possible measure, brought in by Bavaria yesterday, is the use of FFP2 masks in shops and on public transport. They’re safer but more expensive – Austria is bringing them in later this month too.

French officials have said this morning that home-made fabric masks don’t offer the “necessary guarantees” in public – but Health Minister Olivier Véran says most industrially made masks do provide up to 80% filter protection.

Spain has recorded the highest number of weekend infections – 84,287 – and now has an infection rate of 689 cases per 100,000 people. Top health official Fernando Simón believes the peak of Spain’s third Covid wave has either already been reached or is very close.

Norway says no link has been established between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the deaths of 33 elderly people after vaccination. But it’s urged doctors to assess the health of those who are most frail before they are vaccinated.

India aims to inoculate 300 million people by the summer, with frontline and healthcare workers taking priority. While more than 450,000 people have been vaccinated against coronavirus since Saturday, it is far fewer than the government had been aiming for.

Rwanda has imposed a 15-day lock down on its capital, Kigali, as the country battles a second wave of coronavirus cases that has resulted in "unprecedented deaths and transmission rates".

Rockstar

01-20-21, 08:23 AM

The Lab-Leak Hypothesis

For decades, scientists have been hot-wiring viruses in hopes of preventing a pandemic, not causing one. But what if …?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

There is no direct evidence for these zoonotic possibilities, just as there is no direct evidence for an experimental mishap — no written confession, no incriminating notebook, no official accident report. Certainty craves detail, and detail requires an investigation. It has been a full year, 80 million people have been infected, and, surprisingly, no public investigation has taken place. We still know very little about the origins of this disease.

Jimbuna

01-20-21, 08:52 AM

Teachers and police officers could be given a Covid jab as a priority in the second phase of the UK's vaccination programme.

The committee that recommends who has the vaccine will consider prioritising those with "exposure risks"

The UK's inflation rate surged to 0.6% in December from 0.3% in November, new figures say.

That's despite Covid curbs that forced non-essential shops to shut in the run up to Christmas.

Chancellor Angela Merkel appeals to EU countries to agree common measures to curb infections, as she extends Germany's lockdown.

Some 1,610 deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test were recorded in the UK on Tuesday - the biggest daily figure reported.

There have been more than 96 million cases of the virus worldwide and two million people have died, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

Jimbuna

01-20-21, 09:03 AM

Two hospital trusts are among the first in the UK to begin offering a 24-hour Covid vaccination programme. The University Hospitals of Birmingham and Nottinghamshire's Sherwood Forest Hospitals trusts have been chosen to pilot the round-the-clock jabs from Wednesday. Currently the standard opening time for vaccination centres is 08:00 to 20:00.

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Jimbuna

01-20-21, 09:05 AM

German leaders have extended lockdown until 14 February at the earliest and surgical or higher protection masks will now be required in shops and public transport. Chancellor Angela Merkel has appealed to EU countries to agree common measures to stop the spread - or risk border controls coming in. “We can't have [infections] just coming because other countries are taking another route," she said.

The Dutch government is expected to announce the Netherlands’ first coronavirus curfew this lunchtime. The curfew is likely to start on Friday but the hours haven’t been confirmed – with reports of 20:00 or 20:30 being under consideration. Some mayors and political leaders are opposed to the plan.

A Belgian woman who went on a ski holiday in Switzerland over Christmas is being linked to an outbreak that has prompted 5,000 residents in the towns of Edegem and Kontich to have to self-isolate. Belgian reports say her daughter, who wasn’t on the trip, caught Covid and went to school, resulting in two schools being closed. However, only two other schoolchildren in Edegem have tested positive, so the local mayor says most families can now come out of quarantine.

French ski resorts will find out today if they can switch on their ski-lifts for the first time this season, but the news from Paris is not looking good. Infection rates are higher now than last month, with up to 23,608 cases reported on Tuesday. PM Jean Castex says there’s no chance of “putting economic issues ahead of health”.

Slovenian opposition MPs have withdrawn a vote of no confidence in PM Janez Jansa because a number of MPs are in quarantine, so they can’t take part in the vote.

The Mexican army is investigating the theft of Covid-19 vaccines from a hospital in Morelos state.

Zimbabwe's Foreign Minister Sibusiso Moyo has died after succumbing to Covid-19, the government says.

Onkel Neal

01-20-21, 10:12 AM

The Lab-Leak Hypothesis

For decades, scientists have been hot-wiring viruses in hopes of preventing a pandemic, not causing one. But what if …?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

CONSPIRACY!

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If one of the first thoughts that goes through the head of a lab director at the Wuhan Institute of Virology is that the new coronavirus could have come from her lab, then we are obliged to entertain the scientific possibility that it could indeed have come from her lab. Right then, there should have been a comprehensive, pockets-inside-out, fully public investigation of the Virology Institute, along with the other important virus labs in Wuhan, including the one close by the seafood market, headquarters of the Wuhan CDC. There should have been interviews with scientists, interviews with biosafety teams, close parsings of laboratory notebooks, freezer and plumbing and decontamination systems checks — everything. It didn’t happen. The Wuhan Institute of Virology closed down its databases of viral genomes, and the Chinese Ministry of Education sent out a directive: “Any paper that traces the origin of the virus must be strictly and tightly managed.”

Shi made some WeChat posts early in 2020. “The novel 2019 coronavirus is nature punishing the human race for keeping uncivilized living habits,” she wrote. “I, Shi Zhengli, swear on my life that it has nothing to do with our laboratory.” She advised those who believed rumors, and gave credence to unreliable scientific papers, to “shut their stinking mouths.”

Thanks, that was a very interesting article.

Skybird

01-21-21, 12:02 AM

Mostrly for German speaker,s but if you understand a bit of German and switch on the English auto-translation subtitles...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr2hF-qlIcU

Another study from Heidelberg released in Decembre shows a general raised risk of dying from Covid if you are Vitamin-D deficient - and the number they found is that the risk is 15 times higher.

The speaker was chief physician for radiology at a municipal clinic, and as pensioner became a specialist in preventive medicine and a specialist in nutritional science. His foundation is for public information on health topics. he has written several books on the topic.

Catfish

01-21-21, 04:49 AM

Rejecting science and expertise, has become a reflection of "loyalty".

Jimbuna

01-21-21, 11:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3849fI4yIeo

Jimbuna

01-21-21, 11:22 AM

The UK is giving 200 vaccinations every minute, Health Secretary Matt Hancock says.

More than five million doses of the vaccine have been given to 4.6 million people, he says.

Glastonbury Festival is cancelled for a second year running due to the impact of the Covid-19 pandemic.

It is too early to say whether England's Covid restrictions will be able to end in the spring, UK PM Boris Johnson says.

Coronavirus infection levels may have risen at the start of the latest lockdown, scientists tracking the spread in England say.

Home Secretary Priti Patel will lead a Downing Street briefing at 17:00 GMT

Parents will be given two weeks' notice of return to schools in England, Education Secretary Gavin Williamson says.

Among newly-inaugurated US President Joe Bidens first executive orders are steps to tackle the coronavirus crisis.

EU leaders will meet via video later for a summit focusing on the vaccine rollout and how to contain the spread of new variants of Covid-19

There have been more than 96 million cases of the virus worldwide and two million people have died, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

Jimbuna

01-21-21, 11:34 AM

A further 1,290 deaths have been reported in the UK within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test.
It means there have now been 94,580 deaths by that measure.
There have also been a further 37,892 cases, according to the Department for Health and Social Care.

A total of 4,973,248 people have now received a first Covid-19 vaccine dose in the UK, according to the latest government figures.
There have also been 464,036 second doses administered in the UK.

There's bad news for the French ski industry – as expected ski lifts will remain closed at the start of next month and the tourism minister says it’s highly unlikely they can reopen later on in February. At least a quarter of a million French jobs rely on the ski season and the government is working on economic support measures.

German health officials are seeing a lower trend in infections since Christmas. Although over 20,000 new infections have been reported in the past 24 hours, the Robert Koch institute says weekly incidence rates are now down to 119 infections per 100,000, the lowest since the start of November.

The mayor of Moscow, Sergei Sobyanin, is lifting some Covid restrictions from tomorrow, with city colleges and sport schools allowed to reopen and capacity at theatres and cinemas raised from a quarter to a half. Schools reopened last week and the mayor says more than 220,000 people in the capital have been vaccinated.

Swedish PM Stefan Lofven has extended a ban on alcohol sales in restaurants after 20:00 until 7 February and told bosses the most important thing they can do is to let staff work from home. Sweden has reported a slight fall in the number of Covid patients in intensive care to 327.

Skybird

01-21-21, 12:29 PM

200 shots every minute in the UK?

In the German federal state I live in, earlier this week 63 vaccination centres all were reported to be shut down. No vaccines.

There are some centres in Germany that had not ever been opened so far.

Another man who re-infected himself, died from the re-infection.

The Brazilian variant is started to be feared more than the British one, it could have a higher re-infection risk, if things go very bad: out-flanking vaccination efforts.

They still debate whether vaccination protects you as good as having suffered through the desease.

German media and claimed experts in them endlessly babble about surgical face masks and FFP2 masks as if these were things discovered just yesterday, and are new. I use these since early February last year - EARLY FEBRUARY LAST YEAR.

What the hell do some supersmart freaks get paid for, I wonder?? You were on the tpilet, you wahs your ahjn ds. You risk infection of respiration tracts, you wear masks. There is a pandemic, you check your immune system. These are nobrainers. Man expertts still behave like a child that stands in awe that there is light when it hits the wall button. It starts to become really hilarious. Head-chopped chicken running around.

First minister president of a federal state announced on the very day when Merkel announced they want to keep schools shut until February 14th that he wants to open schools early. :/\\!!

Skybird

01-21-21, 12:44 PM

Animals experiments have led virologists to believe that vaccinated persons nevertheless are infectous for others and do spread the desease.

Not good. If it now gets found in coming months that the vaccination protects against symptoms less efficiently than having suffered through an earlier cause of the desease, or that the protection time only lasts a few months, we then have something new to party about.

I stick to what I say since months: the most likely best strategy would be and is to boost and modulate the people's individual immune systems and their general effivciency. By healthier eating and food quality, and nutrient supplementation due to the low food quality in the modern Western world. And bettering living style, lowering stress and hectic (both have a significant effect on immune strength, as well as sleep has). Obviously, starting that with cluster bombing the population with Vit-D, is the first choice regarding Covid-19. Vit D pills should become the daily norm in elder caretaking facilities, schools and hospitals.

Heck, for present needs maybe even drinking water from the pipe should be drugged with it. In parts of america they still add, additionally to chlorine, flourine and bromine to it, although medically there is no excuse for this physical assault on people's health and it causes a lot of health issues. Iodine was added to bread and salt by nations decision to fight a "pandemic" of goiters and cretinism (that is mental retardation). How could Vit-D be a concern then to protect vulnerable people from Covid 19 and boost the general public's immune systems? Its at least as safe as adding chlorine to pipe water (and difrerent to Vit-D, consuming chlorine this way has only the practical purpose of keeping the water germ-free, but it backfires on our health for sure, I mean we drink desinfectant there, in principle, and the only halogen that is healthy and needed for the human body, is iodine).

Skybird

01-22-21, 05:21 AM

Scientists are increasingly worried by observations of accelerations of so-called escape mutations. These are mutations resulting from increasing levels of herd immunity, Brazil and South Africa are exmaples. In net effect they reduce the virus' vulnerability to existing immunity-providing anti-bodies that it has already met, may it be from individual immmune reactions, may it be from used vaccines.

It is so far taken as a sign for that indeed a high frequency in adapting vaccines to ever new forms of the virus will be needed, like with the common seasonal flu, just possibly more speed and variation in it (means: worse than common flu vaccination adaptations).

The number of repoirts on people who got reinfected a second time, is slowly growing, also supporting the above theory.

We probably will need to adapt to the idea that with just one double-shot vaccinatioin it will not be done, but those of us wanting to go with vaccination will need to redo it every 6-12 months or so.

Boost/modulate your immune systems, guys. Take those pills. Its your best card, probably, seocnd only to not meeting the virus in the first.

Jimbuna

01-22-21, 06:22 AM

UK Summary

People vaccinated up to and including 20 January 2021
First dose: 4,973,248

Second dose (fully vaccinated): 464,036

Estimated R number 1.2 to 1.3 with a daily infection growth rate range of +2% to +5% as of 15 January 2021.

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Jimbuna

01-22-21, 06:28 AM

I sincerely hope this is not true but I have two friends who are leaders of their respective local authorities and I'm led to believe this may well become a reality next week,

Covid vaccine supplies in Yorkshire and the North East are reportedly being diverted to other parts of England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55755529

Jimbuna

01-22-21, 06:32 AM

EU leaders have agreed to keep internal borders open but say tighter travel restrictions may be needed. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen wants extra restrictions for Covid hot spots that would be designated as “dark red” zones. EU leaders have agreed to work on a common vaccination certificate and will decide later whether it can be used for travel.

French President Emmanuel Macron says from Sunday any traveller arriving in France from within the EU will require a negative PCR test taken at least 72 hours before arrival. Cross border workers and essential travel will be exempt. Meanwhile French health minister Olivier Véran has appealed to people to stop using home-made fabric masks – French health officials recommend medical masks are worn instead.

A group of 14 British students staying in the Chamonix area of France have tested positive for Covid. The mayor of Vallorcine where they’ve been staying has texted all the town’s residents to trace anyone in touch with them.

German health officials say the national death toll from Covid has climbed above 50,000 – with another 859 deaths in the past 24 hours. But infections have fallen in the past week, with an average infection rate of 115 per 100,000 people. Spain has registered a record 44,357 cases in one day.

Dutch MPs have backed a 21:00 to 04:30 curfew from tomorrow night. The move required parliamentary backing because the government resigned a week ago.

Jimbuna

01-22-21, 08:18 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYIOgm3VbVI

Skybird

01-22-21, 12:15 PM

New UK strain by preliminary results described to be not just more infectous, but also causing higher mortality.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55768627

Mr Quatro

01-22-21, 12:18 PM

I don't want to be 'chicken little', but this is alarming :yep:

A ‘healthy’ doctor died two weeks after getting a COVID-19 vaccine; CDC is investigating why

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-miami-doctor-vaccine-death-20210107-afzysvqqjbgwnetcy5v6ec62py-story.html?fbclid=IwAR1-1U5YWRowtdztN5sk6s5rM9Ew8MSbc9dsoAnGpLJ2E_HAmyPxIU Jx0H0

Two weeks after getting a first dose of a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, a 56-year-old doctor in South Florida died this week, possibly the nation’s first death linked to the vaccine.

Health officials from Florida and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are investigating what role, if any, the vaccine played in the death of Dr. Gregory Michael, a Miami-Beach obstetrician who, his family says, was in otherwise good health.

Michael received his first dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine on Dec. 18 at Mount Sinai Medical Center, according to a Facebook post from his wife, Heidi Neckelmann.

Three days later, small spots began to appear on his feet and hands and he went to the emergency room at Mount Sinai, where he has worked in private practice for 15 years, according to his personal website.

Jimbuna

01-22-21, 12:53 PM

"There is some evidence that the new variant... may be associated with a higher degree of mortality," the PM tells a Downing Street briefing.

Overall data from people who test positive with the new variant suggests greater mortality, Sir Patrick Vallance says, though the data is currently uncertain.

For example, among 1,000 60-year-olds with the old variant, 10 might be expected to die. But this rises to about 13 with the new variant, he says
There are more than 38,000 people in hospital, 78% higher than there were at peak of the first wave, Johnson adds.

The number of people catching the virus is “turning the corner” but from an exceptionally high level, chief medical officer Chris Whitty says.

A further 1,401 people have died in the UK with coronavirus within 28 days of a positive test.

UK R rate estimated to be between 0.8 and 1 - meaning the outbreak could now be shrinking.

Aktungbby

01-22-21, 12:54 PM

Now that a case of Covid has been reported in Skagway Alaska, all counties in the US are afflicted. With my reference to 'goddess Gaeia' (mother nature)reducing the earth's 8 billion population with a "cleansing" global killer after practice rounds with similar bat induced Ebola, Marburg, Lhasa, & Sars fevers, one wonders if 'social distancing' will impact the mudball's birthrate statistics?:hmmm: Apparently China is also having a troublesome resurgance as a new variant of the virus manifests its appearance. I wonder if, being on "b3 Tier 1 age 65+" to recieve the scarce vaccine, the placebo will work on the newer resistant virus variants by then!! I'm due in April at the earliest according to my flu-shot pharmacist!:ping:

Jimbuna

01-22-21, 01:10 PM

The UK government has announced a further 1,401 people have died with coronavirus within 28 days of a positive test.

That takes the total by that measure to 95,981.

There have also been a further 40,261 daily cases - the first time in six days that the number reported has been over 40,000.

Meanwhile, more than five million people in the UK have received the first dose of a Covid-19 vaccine - 5,383,103,according to the latest government figures.

Some 409,855 people received the first dose on Thursday, which is the highest number given in the UK in a 24-hour period so far.

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Catfish

01-22-21, 02:20 PM

This is probably the divine punishment for people who never paid for WinRar.

Skybird

01-22-21, 07:29 PM

The mortality of the British strain may be raised by 30% at least.

German chief virologist Drosten said that if lockdown is eased too early and the British strain is not contained, Germany will have in summer infection rates of 100,000 per day.

30 million dosesof vaccines that German health minister Spahn said he had ordered after the German and eu policy had come under fire, apparently are anything but fixed and safe orders, but may be bogus numbers only. At the current vaccination rate, Germany would have vaccinated its population not before in over 5 years.

Astra Zeneca must reduce the ammount of promised doses for the EU, adding to the overall woes of the EU. The vaccination program has been attacked since ong time now,a nd rightly so. They did once again made a lot of loud words - and pityful deeds and chaotic planning. It hasn't covered itself with fame in all this.

Jimbuna

01-23-21, 08:00 AM

From tonight, anyone outside in the Netherlands between 9pm and 4.30am must have a valid reason.

Belgium bans people from taking foreign holidays while Finland tightens arrival rules.

In the UK, doctors say gap between the first and second Pfizer vaccine jabs should be cut.

EU expresses 'deep dissatisfaction' over delays in vaccine distribution.

Doctors say 'it's not clear' yet that a variant of coronavirus first identified in the UK may be more deadly.

A further 1,401 people have died in the UK with coronavirus within 28 days of a positive test.

It is one year since Wuhan, where the virus emerged, began its lockdown.

Jimbuna

01-23-21, 08:14 AM

Norway’s capital Oslo and surrounding areas are being placed under tight restrictions following an outbreak of the coronavirus variant first identified in the UK. Non-essential shops were closed from midday on Saturday and will not re-open until 1 February at the earliest, the government said.

Belgium is set to ban residents from going on holiday abroad in a bid to limit the spread of more infectious coronavirus variants. The rules will come into force next week and remain in place until March.

As of Sunday, France is making Covid tests compulsory for all travellers arriving in the country, including those from the EU

Coronavirus vaccine manufacturer AstraZeneca has warned of supply issues to the European Union, compounding frustration in the bloc.Some nations' inoculation programmes were already slowed due to a cut in deliveries of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

Sri Lanka's Health Minister Pavithra Wanniarachchi, who publicly endorsed a herbal syrup made by a sorcerer, has tested positive for Covid-19, officials say.

Thousands of people in Hong Kong have been ordered to stay at home in the city’s first coronavirus lockdown.

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Jimbuna

01-23-21, 12:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSeiNqOfjg

mapuc

01-23-21, 12:40 PM

When it comes to this Corona-Covid19 there are things which makes me wonder how-How could this be possible ?

Markus

Jimbuna

01-23-21, 12:42 PM

The number of coronavirus patients on mechanical ventilation in the UK has passed 4,000 for the first time in the pandemic.

A total of 4,076 Covid patients were on hospital ventilators as of Friday, according to government data.

That is higher than during the first wave, when the peak was 3,301 on 12 April.

It comes as another 1,348 deaths and 33,552 new infections were reported on Saturday.

Jimbuna

01-23-21, 12:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tgnRXRrbCQ

Mr Quatro

01-23-21, 03:05 PM

Wow! I would invest my entire stimulus funds on this project if it was offered as an investment that is.

The future is not in microchips, but in face mask that tell on you

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/researchers-are-developing-stickers-for-masks-to-detect-covid/ar-BB1d1Ety?pfr=1&ocid=BingNews

Researchers are developing stickers for masks to detect COVID

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1d1Eto.img?h=799&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

As COVID-19 continues to spread, researchers are looking for new and creative ways to help detect and manage cases. A team at the University of California San Diego is developing something to help do just that: a color-changing sticker.

Skybird

01-23-21, 04:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tgnRXRrbCQ
I waited for something like this forming up.

They all should line up in the cues in their respective countries. Especially the commission members. They blew it, they should not be allowed to elevate themselves above the consequences of their failure.

Jimbuna

01-24-21, 12:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo2uQvua3JA

Jimbuna

01-24-21, 12:57 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/gjD0C3WG/116652412-optimised-vax-trajectory24jan-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/5QX1vYyr)
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Jimbuna

01-24-21, 01:01 PM

Jimbuna

01-24-21, 02:06 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/k4ycphBG/116629996-vaccine-doses-per100-countries-most-vax22jan-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/njCBs2Kf)

3catcircus

01-24-21, 03:25 PM

More than 25 million cases of coronavirus have now been confirmed across the United States.

Experts say the true number is likely to be higher. More than 417,500 in the US have died with the virus.

The daily number of deaths has exceeded 4,000 in recent weeks - including on Wednesday when Joe Biden was sworn into office.

President Biden signed a raft of new measures last week, including boosting vaccinations and testing.

He has implored Americans to wear masks and warned the death toll could get much worse.

"Let me be clear - things will continue to get worse before they get better," he said.

President Biden's efforts follow widespread criticism of the Trump administration's handling of the pandemic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55784361

https://i.postimg.cc/fRFbQw6S/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HrwmQCWT)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51235105

Serious question:

Do you actually trust any of the statistics?

No one is denying that covid-19 is a new(er) strain of a coronavirus that makes people sick, hospitalizes quite a few, and also can result in deaths for some.

That having been said

1. We've heard reports of how "cases" have been reported this past year - and they're not reported the same way uniformly amongst each US state or each country.
2. Reports of cases likely being under-reported by places like China and Russia.
3. Reports of cases likely over-reported by the US and some other western democracies - and of the CDC at one point declaring that close association with a positive patient meant many many more people were declared "positive" without laboratory confirmation.

4. Indications that this has been around a lot longer than originally thought, with some reports that people were infected in early fall of 2019 - coupled with much larger numbers of influenza-like illnesses being reported in the 2017, 2018 and 2019 flu seasons.

5. Guidance from the WHO resulting in changes in what constitutes a positive case, in regards to PCR cycle times.
6. Common-sense thinking and the application of known science as to how covid-19 is transmitted, in light of how every other cold and flu virus is transmitted (regardless of infectiousness).
7. Strong indications that mask usage effectiveness is strongly dependent upon proper clinical training to avoid inadvertent contamination.
8. Multiple computer models all essentially being wrong to varying degrees.
9. Human nature, game theory, and chaos theory all at play together.
10. Previous world responses to Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu, etc. and the effectiveness of those responses.

Any thoughts on what future studies 10 years from now are gonna say about this pandemic?

Rockstar

01-25-21, 09:18 AM

Statistics are I think close to reality especially in the U.S. Sure there may be some difficult anomalies and human error. But our media and medical professionals make it pretty hard to conceal things.

Statistics mostly depends on who is doing the recording and how they record it. Take for instance the E.U.. Several weeks ago their Center for Disease Control reported over 427,000 dead. The following week a miracle happened and that number had dropped to 377,000 dead. All because the U.K. officially left the E.U. and were no longer counted by the European Union CDC. The only thing which changed were the names of the bean counters. People were still crisscrossing the channel in and out of Schengen and flying over the Atlantic just like before BREXIT.

But as of week two 2021 the number of dead in the E.U. total 425,618 with 17,906,888 infected

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/is_large/public/images/2021w1-02-COVID19-EU-EEA-Subnational-14d-Attack-Rate.png?itok=9nXvNoSM

Jimbuna

01-25-21, 09:27 AM

In response to both of you above: I have numerous sites bookmarked and non of them match with even one of said sites so I tend to believe they are all little more than guesstimates or rough rules of thumb.

I doubt the true figures will ever be known but regardless of what set of figures anyone might prefer to believe, the simple consistent factor is there are far too many deaths.

Jimbuna

01-25-21, 09:39 AM

Tory MPs are asking the government to set out a "route map" for the reopening of schools in England.

Schools will be a priority but nobody would want restrictions lifted so quickly while the rate of infection is still very high, the prime minister says.

Labour Party leader Sir Keir Starmer is self-isolating after coming into contact with someone who has tested positive.

Prof Adam Finn, a member of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, defends the UK's 12-week gap between first and second jabs.

Covid has exposed "tensions" between Westminster and the UK nations and regions, former PM Gordon Brown says.

Riot police in the Netherlands have clashed with protesters angry at new coronavirus restrictions.

Germany's health minister says the country has bought 200,000 doses of the experimental antibody treatment given to former US President Donald Trump when he was hospitalised for coronavirus in October. It would help to prevent some high-risk patients from developing severe complications, Jens Spahn told a German newspaper.

A number of EU countries have expressed frustration at production delays by two of the main vaccine manufacturers, Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca - with Italy saying such delay was unacceptable and warning it would take legal action against the two firms to secure agreed supplies.

Germany is now demanding negative test certificates (no more than 48 hours old) for thousands of cross-border workers coming from the Czech Republic - after the country was classed as a high-risk area - leading to criticism on the other side of the border for making the life of thousands of cross-border workers more difficult.

A third national lockdown will probably soon be needed in France, the country's top medical adviser says.

In Austria people must now wear air-filtering FFP2 masks in shops and on public transport.

Brazil began its national vaccination programme a week ago, but there are already reports of serious problems in the roll-out. Scientists say the country is close to running out of vaccine, syringes and other vital equipment, and they blame Jair Bolsonaro's government for the shortcomings.

Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has become the latest world leader to test positive for Covid-19.

Doctors in Zimbabwe have protested against a Twitter comment by the government spokesperson, who referred to them as "medical assassins" in the wake of the deaths of senior government officials from Covid-19.

Jimbuna

01-25-21, 09:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoGZvQERblI

Jimbuna

01-25-21, 09:53 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/rmZvMhfw/111.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/yxJ2dFGX/222.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Catfish

01-25-21, 10:20 AM

Germany has just beaten the US in Corona infections, when it comes to percentage :hmmm:

Skybird

01-25-21, 10:29 AM

Hooray - we won...! :yeah: And needlessly...!!! :O: Thats how it is done - playing the long game and holding a long breath to outlast the competition!

Skybird

01-25-21, 10:43 AM

US pharmaceutical giant MERCK has stopped development of its Covid vaccine, the project is "dead". Results of the early tests showed that the efficiency was too low and did not meet expectations (and demands). MERCK cooperated with the French Pasteur Institute.

It shows how difficult the development of a vaccine is.

3catcircus

01-25-21, 01:57 PM

Skybird

01-25-21, 05:10 PM

Vaccines have a minimum efficiency criteria that they must pass to get licensed. Its usually set at 50%. And that value would be considered already pretty bad.

Merck got out of the starting block very late, sleeping over the starting shot. They have gotten accused before of having slept for too long.

Skybird

01-25-21, 05:14 PM

The Astra-Zeneca vaccine is unlikely to get a EU license for use on seniors.

Skybird

01-26-21, 04:19 AM

I knw about what he says on fever (not fighting it as long as it doe snot become a threat in itself), but the remarks on liquid intakes during an infection was new to me. I would have assumed that it is positive to drink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP65st24crc

Skybird

01-26-21, 04:41 AM

Ten tips of Covid-19 prevention. My key lesson learned: adding a pulse oximeter to my med kit.
The Overview text has quick time stanps to jump to certain parts of the program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN30emwcNS4

And more evidence for the case of Vitamin D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

Skybird

01-26-21, 04:42 AM

And here comes: The Captains United! :D

I think many people owe both men for having made it their task to push out information

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LXZTU9UbSc

Jimbuna

01-26-21, 11:07 AM

Messed up their initial vaccine roll-out, now threatening to block exports of Pfizer jab......whilst lambasting Astra Zeneca over supplies of a jab they've not even approved yet. The EU at its finest :doh:

The EU has warned Covid vaccine producers they must deliver agreed supplies, amid fears reductions could seriously hamper its inoculation drive.

AstraZeneca and Pfizer-BioNTech have both said production problems mean they cannot supply the expected numbers.

The EU warned it could restrict exports of vaccines made in the bloc, with Germany's health minister demanding "fair distribution".

The UK's vaccine minister warned of "the dead end of vaccine nationalism".

AstraZeneca is mainly produced in the UK, while the UK's supplies of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine come from the company's Belgian plant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55805903

Jimbuna

01-26-21, 11:09 AM

Boris Johnson will hold a news conference at 1700, along with chief medical officer Chris Whitty and NHS chief Simon Stevens.

The EU warns it will tighten exports of vaccines produced in the bloc, amid a row with AstraZeneca over a cut in planned supplies.

The UK is confident it will receive enough doses of coronavirus vaccines to meet its targets, the vaccine minister has said.

More than 100,000 deaths involving coronavirus have been registered in the UK, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Ministers are expected to approve a plan to require UK citizens to quarantine in a hotel if they arrive in England from high-risk countries.

They are meeting tonight to discuss the plan - a decision may not be announced until Wednesday.

Latin America's richest man Carlos Slim has tested positive for Covid-19

Jimbuna

01-26-21, 11:17 AM

Scotland will go "at least as far" as England in enhancing measures at the border, the nation's deputy first minister says, as ministers consider the case for making people arriving in the UK stay in "quarantine hotels".

A pledge to vaccinate 70% of over-80s by the weekend was missed by the Welsh government. Weather has been blamed for why the target was not reached. Latest figures show 96,830 over-80s have received a first dose - that's 52.8% of the group, although there is a lag in the data.

Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte has resigned amid divisions over spending in the coronavirus crisis, in which more than 85,000 Italians have died.

Rioters in the Netherlands clashed for a third night with police over coronavirus restrictions in defiance of a newly imposed curfew.

Protesters in Australia have defied Covid rules on Australia Day while protesting against the culturally sensitive holiday. Several people have been arrested.

The South African president, Cyril Ramaphosa, has condemned so-called vaccine nationalism by the world's wealthiest countries.

Jimbuna

01-26-21, 12:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRYFg-ZPs_U

Jimbuna

01-26-21, 12:15 PM

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https://i.postimg.cc/pXWb38T1/333.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

skidman

01-26-21, 02:17 PM

Messed up their initial vaccine roll-out,

Did we? I don't think so. We could have done better, that much is true. But we have established a solid legal basis for approval (that ensures accountability of the producers in case of long-term side effects) and a fair mechanism of distribution among the members.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1195157/umfrage/impfungen-gegen-das-coronavirus-nach-laendern-weltweit/

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=CHN~USA~RUS~MEX~DEU~GBR~FRA~ITA~DNK~ISR~Eu ropeanUnion&region=World&vaccinationsMetric=true&interval=total&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&pickerSort=desc

I know the absolute figures make us look much better than the per capita data, but even the normalized data shows merely minor differences between most countries. I can understand that people in the UK - a country that has been hit harder by the virus than most of the rest of the world- can become thin-skinned and that might lead to a self-righteous perspective. But "messed up"? Sorry, no.

now threatening to block exports of Pfizer jab......whilst lambasting Astra Zeneca over supplies of a jab they've not even approved yet.

AZ delivers 100% of the promised quantity to the UK, but less than 50% of the quantity contracted to the EU (You should listen to Europeans talk about this "oddity". Some of us will never forget.) Everybody understands that problems in production reduce availability. But we want our fair share of the produced quantity and we demand transparency concerning the quotas. If AZ doesn't comply we will push back against their conduct.

The EU at its finest :doh:

Watching too many of the wrong movies Jim? Seems they start rubbing off on you.

ikalugin

01-26-21, 06:09 PM

Well we got our massed vaccination going for like week and a half now (from 18th), I got my Sputnik-V shot back on Thursday.

Skybird

01-27-21, 04:08 AM

Did we? I don't think so. We could have done better, that much is true. But we have established a solid legal basis for approval (that ensures accountability of the producers in case of long-term side effects) and a fair mechanism of distribution among the members.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1195157/umfrage/impfungen-gegen-das-coronavirus-nach-laendern-weltweit/

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=CHN~USA~RUS~MEX~DEU~GBR~FRA~ITA~DNK~ISR~Eu ropeanUnion&region=World&vaccinationsMetric=true&interval=total&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&pickerSort=desc

I know the absolute figures make us look much better than the per capita data, but even the normalized data shows merely minor differences between most countries. I can understand that people in the UK - a country that has been hit harder by the virus than most of the rest of the world- can become thin-skinned and that might lead to a self-righteous perspective. But "messed up"? Sorry, no.

AZ delivers 100% of the promised quantity to the UK, but less than 50% of the quantity contracted to the EU (You should listen to Europeans talk about this "oddity". Some of us will never forget.) Everybody understands that problems in production reduce availability. But we want our fair share of the produced quantity and we demand transparency concerning the quotas. If AZ doesn't comply we will push back against their conduct.

Watching too many of the wrong movies Jim? Seems they start rubbing off on you.

A lot is the eU's repsonsibility for sure. The order for AZ came ver yklate, and now they complain that the ymust go through the same production fixiation like the Uk had to some time ago. For the UK, this got meanwhile fixed, but the UK orderd earlkier -a nd as I red yesterday somewhere, they invested PLENTY of m ore money into the early orders than the EU did.

The EU wanted it perfectly, and they wnated it cheaply, and thes saaced a few hunbdred milliosn that way maybe - with every week of lockdown in Germany costing 3.5-4 billion. Well done. Thats what happens if adressing realiut yis beign left to planned econoym theorestiocists who think an economy and a production cycles workjs just by commanding how relaity should be, and then it is so with the snipping of a finger.

It is exactly the same kind of ,misplanning and theoreticising and reality-missing failure that von der Leyen has produced time and again in her time as minister in german in her last two ressort. Its exactly the same kind of misplanning. That cannot be a coincidence.

And I think they still have not learned anythign from it. Or they do not learn becasue then they woudl need to admit that before they had awfully failed.

Russia is faster. Israel anyway. The UK. China. Korea. America. Everybody does it better than the EU. One can hardly argue the EU way is a good way. Obviously it is not. Its a desaster, compared to the efficiency of the others. And still they have a big mouth.

Skybird

01-27-21, 04:15 AM

Moderna says its vaccine also prpotects against B117, but the number of antibodies against the south african variant is up to 6 times less than with other variants of Covid-19. Experts now assume that a third vaccination may be necessary, because in case of the Southafrican variant the protection from immunization gets lost much faster.

Skybird

01-27-21, 04:23 AM

In this article:
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article225068931/Corona-Impfungen-Die-EU-war-schlicht-nicht-so-gut-vorbereitet-wie-die-Amerikaner.html
An EU expert admits that the EU was ill-prepared, compared to the US.

Nevertheless, the EU must learn its lesson from the pandemic, said Bucher. In a report for the Paris think tank TerraNova, the expert explains that the EU has not developed its own industrial strategy in the field of health and vaccination, a mistake that it is now paying dearly. “You can't just import vaccines like paracetamol,” says Bucher. “The EU was simply not as well prepared as the Americans, who invested heavily in February of last year. The EU got in much later and with much more modest means. " In figures this means: Washington invested ten billion dollars in "Operation Warp Speed" in February, Brussels raised a little more than three billion dollars, but only in the summer. The American corporations could have invested in production facilities at a time when it was not yet clear whether the production of an effective vaccine would succeed. Something else explains the Americans' lead: Europeans have withdrawn from funding vaccine research in the past ten years. At the turn of the millennium, two-thirds of vaccine researchers were still working in the EU, working on 60 percent of global research projects. Then came the turning point. Public grants shrank from 23.3 million euros in 2002 to 1.9 million in 2008 in six years. During the same period, Americans more than tripled research grants. They rose from 13 to 42.2 million euros in 2008. The EU just watched the US become attractive for talent. Brussels must draw the necessary conclusions from this and invest more money in funding vaccination research, concludes Bucher in her report.
The EU on many levels just watches others attracting talents. It also drives its own talents actively away. The vaccine story is just one example.

Planned economy theoreticists. No clue of realities.

Edit:
P.S. Compare to this: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2725026&postcount=1189

Onkel Neal

01-27-21, 06:23 AM

Buddahaid, still waiting here. I have a friend who was a liver transplant recipient, he got his first shot last week.

Buddahaid

01-27-21, 10:40 AM

Buddahaid, still waiting here. I have a friend who was a liver transplant recipient, he got his first shot last week.

Man I hope you can get it before too long and the availability climbs rapidly.

My arm isn't as sore as the first shot but I'm still achy and have a headache. I haven't checked but I don't think I have a fever.

Skybird

01-27-21, 11:05 AM

Any homeopadres here? You will not like this video then. From 24:00 on. Moral of the story is just two letters: NO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoGZvQERblI

Jimbuna

01-27-21, 12:21 PM

The EU has urged pharmaceutical firm AstraZeneca to supply it with more doses of its Covid-19 vaccine from UK plants, amid a row over shortages.

The company has infuriated the bloc by saying it can deliver only a fraction of the doses it promised for the first quarter of the year.

It blames production issues at European plants, but the EU says doses made elsewhere should make up the shortfall.

The EU has been criticised for the slow rollout of its vaccinations.

A confidentiality clause binds AstraZeneca from releasing the details of its deal with the bloc, but the company reportedly said last week that the EU would get 60% fewer doses than promised for January-March 2021.

The two sides are set to meet for talks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55822602

Jimbuna

01-27-21, 12:25 PM

Jimbuna

01-27-21, 12:40 PM

A further 1,725 people in the UK have died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19 in the last 24 hours, the government's daily figures show. It comes a day after the UK death toll passed 100,000.

The government will set out a "roadmap" for reopening schools, the economy and society on 22 February, the PM says.

Boris Johnson also tells a Downing Street briefing that he hopes to reopen schools on 8 March.

Travellers to the UK from 22 countries will go into hotel quarantine, the government announces.

But Wales and Scotland say the quarantine plans don't go far enough.

At PMQs, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer asked why the UK has the highest number of deaths in Europe.

The EU urges AstraZeneca to supply it with more doses of its Covid vaccine from UK plants, amid a row over shortages.

French pharmaceutical company Sanofi announces it will mass produce a Covid vaccine developed by its rivals Pfizer and BioNtech.

Jimbuna

01-27-21, 12:42 PM

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Jimbuna

01-27-21, 12:44 PM

The mayor of Russia’s capital has eased Covid restrictions on bars and office working, because he says Covid cases in Moscow are no higher than 2,000-3,000 a day. Sergei Sobyanin said bars and restaurants could reopen during the night and businesses would not have to keep 30% of workers at home.

But tighter restrictions have begun for Belgians, who are now banned from non-essential travel abroad for tourism or leisure until 1 March. Slovakia has imposed new restrictions preventing people from moving around if they cannot produce a negative PCR or antigen test. Children and over-65s are exempt.

Iceland has issued its first digital vaccination certificates to make it easier for people to travel. So far 4,800 people are eligible as they’ve had two doses - but the certificate isn’t recognised in Europe. Some EU countries like Greece want the EU to introduce them.

There’s been a quiet night in Dutch cities after three days of rioting triggered by a Covid curfew brought in at the weekend. Crowdfunding has raised more than €80,000 for a ransacked shop whose owner was reduced to tears by the damage.

As French leaders weigh up whether to move to a third lockdown, an opinion poll for BFMTV suggests 52% are opposed to such a change and 48% in favour. France already has a national 18:00 curfew and ex-interior minister Christophe Castaner worries a new lockdown could lead some people to civil disobedience.

Spain has reported its highest number of deaths since April with 591 deaths on Tuesday and a further 36,435 cases. The infection rate is at its highest so far in the pandemic with the worst incidence in Valencia on the east coast.

Rockstar

01-27-21, 12:57 PM

Man I hope you can get it before too long and the availability climbs rapidly.

My arm isn't as sore as the first shot but I'm still achy and have a headache. I haven't checked but I don't think I have a fever.

Not sure how California is doing it. But in Maryland there are 3 vaccination phases. We're currently in 1C with a few places already opening phase 2. Seems most only offer the Moderna vaccine. The federal government is currently distributing 10,000 doses a day but with a population of 1.5 million it might be awhile before they get to me. I'm in phase 3, can't wait.

https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/datasets/md-vaccination-locations/data

https://state-of-maryland.github.io/SiteContent/VaccinePhases.png

ikalugin

01-27-21, 05:43 PM

Buddahaid, still waiting here. I have a friend who was a liver transplant recipient, he got his first shot last week.

That is unfortunate, I hope you guys get the massed vaccination of all willing the way we have right now.

I am still waiting for my second Sputnik-V shot, scheduled on 10th.

skidman

01-27-21, 06:01 PM

Russia is faster. Israel anyway. The UK. China. Korea. America. Everybody does it better than the EU.

You didn't even bother looking at the charts, did you? Russia is slower, China is slower and Korea will start their campaign by the end of February.

One can hardly argue the EU way is a good way. Obviously it is not. Its a desaster, compared to the efficiency of the others. And still they have a big mouth.

Obviously you are on a mission and facts don't matter to you. The EU was cheated on, still you blame them. No need to point out who has the biggest mouth here.

Skybird

01-27-21, 06:28 PM

The EU was cheated on. And I'm on a mission.

Okay. Lets disclose those treaties, there it should be to be red black on white. And my mission: is to observe what is to be seen, and not to replace it with fictional wish-lists for how things should be. The vaccination strategy of the EU is a complete desaster, a reality-distanced plannign failure, unrealistic, over-engineered in expectations of what can be done, based on a dramatic cut of funds for vaccination development in Europe over the past years, and a failure to build production facilities in time, like other have very well manmagged to acchieve, but the eU not. The EU got out of the startign block months too late, months later than others, and it still is stuck in it with one feet. And now they blame others for the EU's plans and decisions and negotiation strategies. Hilarious. I read Merkel was wondering recently about how thigns go and that there seem to be slowing obstacles. Well, but who is it who gioverns and who led thigns to where they are? A certain Merkel, maybe? A certain Super-Uschi, maybe? The EU planning strategy is a desaster, and I say that since weeks. These weeks saw confirmation after confirmation for my complaint mounting up.

Thats the same EU that plans a climate revolution as well. A Green Deal industry revolution. A social re-engineering of Europe. A money revolution All that, when watching how they handle the pandemic and how their accomplice, the ECB, usurps more and more powers, is a horrifying idea to think about when seeing it from how they already ruin their handling of the pandemic and the vaccination of the people.

They - Mutti and Super-Uschi - try to dodge their own responsibility in all this. I mean it not just AZ, the failures obviously go far beyond that.

On national level, not even the organisation of distributing vaccination slots/dates for elder people goes smooth in Germany, like the system with coupons for FFP masks was a bureaucratic drama as well. They are disconnected from reality, these super-planning masterminds, that simple it is. They have no realstic idea of how practical reality for people works. What practical life for people looks like. Or take the work of the RKI, the outdated methods, the failure to get digitalization done in time as planned for late last year. I just can laugh when I see what the RKI is doing and announcing, its sad and a pain and ridiculous and laughable all at the same time.

Saw a cartoon today, where somebody wondered why they were in such a hurry to get the Berlin airport finsihed. :haha: Priceless.

mapuc

01-27-21, 06:45 PM

3.15 % of the Danish population has got their first vaccine.
Around 0.52 % has got their second and last vaccine.

Haven't got the numbers for Sweden

Markus

skidman

01-27-21, 06:51 PM

The EU was cheated on. And I'm on a mission.

That's it.

Schaum vorm Mund und keine Argumente.

Skybird

01-27-21, 07:00 PM

Then fetch yourself a towel, and think harder.

Catfish

01-28-21, 02:35 AM

Catfish

01-28-21, 02:39 AM

A few hundred dollars fine? I don't think so. Egoistic scumbag.

"Canadian mogul fined after getting Covid vaccine meant for Indigenous residents"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/canada-ex-casino-head-fined-covid-vaccine-rodney-baker?amp;amp;amp;fbclid=IwAR1voarZESMIAAksujMPQBt zCDGB7D_1cNJmOw39-enEnrtkSYX4h3DTs78

Skybird

01-28-21, 03:22 AM

Skybird is on a mission to defy reality when it comes to the EU. And i do not want "to appear rude" either, but seldom have i read and heard so much bullsh!it about the EU, be it from Skybird or in those russian brexit propaganda videos posted in the UK thread. Not that i cared to watch the last 20 or so of those :nope:
Thanks but no thanks.
The more one leans to the one side, the more the rest of the world appears to be on the other side. In my book the amount of reality denial in your euphemistic EU views rates as "legendary".

Catfish

01-28-21, 03:23 AM

"Last August, the EU made an upfront payment of €336 million ($409 million) to the Anglo-Swedish pharmaceutical company — the bloc’s first COVID-19 vaccine deal — in order to expand production and secure 300 million doses of the drug developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. EU officials speaking with Reuters news agency last week said the bloc could expect a 61% cut to its order, meaning it may only receive as few as 31 million doses. AstraZeneca has said “initial volumes will be lower than originally anticipated due to reduced yields at a manufacturing site within our EU supply chain.”"

And this "manufacturing site" belongs to – Astra Zeneca. What a surprise.
Does not matter, all the EU's fault of course.

edit: Indeed there are two Astra Zeneca production facilities within the EU, and it is those two which generate less yield, so it may be just bad luck.
Anyway there is no need to accuse anyone, all did what they thought was best at the time being, inckluding A-Z. The EU did not instantly allow the vaccinations with any vaccine before it was not thoroughly tested also for very old people, England just began without that. So they were lucky (which is not Johnson's merit), but it could have backfired badly.

"Robert Yates, director of the global health program at the Chatham House think tank in London, said the EU-AstraZeneca dispute highlights the danger of “vaccine nationalism” as countries compete for limited supplies.
“For politicians, this is red hot. And, you know, unfortunately, what we’re seeing as well is that Brexit politics is playing into this,'' he said"

Regarding conspiracy theories ..
https://listverse.com/2020/01/12/10-conspiracy-theories-about-the-european-union/

Skybird

01-28-21, 05:43 AM

If the two sides would have an interest to convince-by-facts the public of their cause, they would make the treaty's text public.

And this, again.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2725023&postcount=6077

ikalugin

01-28-21, 06:42 AM

I wish we had better data on the quantity of vaccinated in Russia.

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/10529815
Official figures (on 23rd) were 2,1m doses delivered, 7,6m made (as of 23rd).

Russia has 146,6m people.

Skybird

01-28-21, 07:53 AM

The tone in Germany gets rougher.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.nzz.ch/international/in-der-corona-krise-verliert-angela-merkel-die-nerven-ld.1598476

( https://www.nzz.ch/international/in-der-corona-krise-verliert-angela-merkel-die-nerven-ld.1598476 )

Skybird

01-28-21, 08:16 AM

https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-germany-has-lost-its-pandemic-role-model-status/a-56364826

Opinion: Germany has lost its pandemic role model status

The coronavirus has raged for a year now and there seems to be no end in sight. Germany is no longer considered as an example of good pandemic management. But the worst could still be to come, says Rosalia Romaniec.

https://static.dw.com/image/56315492_303.jpg (https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-germany-has-lost-its-pandemic-role-model-status/a-56364826#) Some crematoriums in Germany are running out of room for coffins amid the pandemic

In most reviews of the current situation in Germany, (https://www.dw.com/en/how-covid-changed-germany-one-year-on/a-56350430) there is one question that tops the list: Were the 50,000 deaths in the pandemic so far really unavoidable? Most people don't seem to think so. But one is always wiser after the event.
Increasingly, we are hearing Chancellor Angela Merkel and other officials saying that they should have acted earlier and should have done more. In view of the latest figures, there is no doubt that something went wrong. For almost nine months, the number of COVID-19-related deaths remained below 10,000, but it has multiplied by five in just two months.

Lulled into complacency

In the fall, Germany underestimated the new coronavirus. After Germany managed the pandemic well at the beginning and was rightly held up internationally as a model, some people in the country started thinking, "We're better at it than the rest." That was overconfident, not to say arrogant.
https://static.dw.com/image/42960024_404.jpg (https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-germany-has-lost-its-pandemic-role-model-status/a-56364826#) DW's Rosalia Romaniec

This is because there was one factor primarily responsible for Germany's "better" performance — the science-based approach taken by the German chancellor. Because Angela Merkel listened to her scientific advisers more than to her political advisers, Germany went into lockdown early enough in March, thus preventing a many infections and deaths. Despite mistakes and a shortage of masks, (https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-face-mask-face-shield-ffp2-n95-kn95-whats-the-difference/a-52291265) Germany's initial response to the pandemic was prudent and pragmatic. Prevention was the key word — the "better safe than sorry" strategy worked.

Unforgivable situation in care homes

At least, it did to a great extent. However, there has also been unforgivable damage done. The ruthless implementation of the regulations in care homes, for example, caused terrible human distress. For months, people were left to die alone because visits were banned. Loved ones were unable to say goodbye and will live for the rest of their loves with the pain and grief. This mistake caused a great deal of harm to people's confidence in the government — and also did little to fight the virus.
The situation in Germany's care homes remains a scandal in other ways, too. Most of those who have died of COVID-19 — up to 86% in some cities and regions — were elderly people who lived in care facilities. It is not clear why the number is so high and why so few of them are brought to hospital after being infected by the virus. This is untenable.
https://static.dw.com/image/56280022_401.jpg (https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-germany-has-lost-its-pandemic-role-model-status/a-56364826#) Chancellor Angela Merkel has always wanted to follow scientific advice in the pandemic

Spotlight on ongoing failures

The crisis has put the spotlight on everything that politicians have ignored in recent years. Now, these things are is coming back to roost — things like digitalization, for example. If the government had been more serious about digital infrastructure earlier, many more people could now be productive working from home and would not risk getting infected on their way to or in the office. This holds true for much of the business sector, but also for the huge apparatus that is Germany's public administration. The situation of schoolchildren and teachers would have been much less chaotic if they had more bandwidth and better internet connectivity at home, as well as digital lesson plans. Germany is far from being able to provide structured schooling for all pupils at the moment.
It is too early to draw overall conclusions: We are still in the middle of the crisis. It does not make sense to criticize those in charge and play the blame game either. But those in power, and society, will be forced to learn lessons from the pandemic and its consequences. Among other things, they will have to take it to heart that half-baked solutions do not work in a crisis. A "light lockdown" is as useless as strict regulations that don't stand up in court.
Nobody can say how long the pandemic will last, and we do not know what havoc the new mutations will wreak. But one thing is already certain: Just hoping is not enough to manage such a situation. To resolve a crisis, the worst has to be assumed from the start. Otherwise, the worst will be precisely what happens.

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Marked in red: meine Rede!

Skybird

01-28-21, 08:31 AM

Covid Performance Index, a study from Sydney, AUS.

https://interactives.lowyinstitute.org/features/covid-performance/

Skybird

01-28-21, 08:37 AM

Apparently confirmed: German health authorities will allow the Astra Zeneca vaccine only for people under the age of 65.

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/stiko-empfiehlt-astrazeneca-impfstoff-nur-fuer-unter-65-jaehrige-17169561.html

Jimbuna

01-28-21, 09:21 AM

Wouldn't have been my choice of headline but this article pretty much sums up were we are presently imho.

How the UK's vaccine gamble paid off – and the EU left itself without a leg to stand on https://ampgoo.com/how-the-uk-s-vaccine-gamble-paid-off-and-the-eu-left-itself-without-a-leg-to-stand-on

Jimbuna

01-28-21, 09:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRYFg-ZPs_U&t=3s

Jimbuna

01-28-21, 09:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrTvpBUdmHI

Jimbuna

01-28-21, 09:34 AM

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is visiting Scotland despite the country's first minister questioning whether the trip is necessary during lockdown.

The EU and the UK-based Covid vaccine maker AstraZeneca have vowed to work together to resolve a bitter row over supply shortages to the 27-member bloc.

Germany is likely to face a shortage of coronavirus vaccines until at least April, the country's health minister warns.

It would be "premature to imagine" lockdown restrictions in England will be lifted before 8 March, Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove says.

Black MPs from across the UK political spectrum join together in a video encouraging people to get the coronavirus vaccine.

Imperial College London scientists tracking coronavirus in England say there are signs of a "shallow decline" in infection levels but they remain high.

And a World Health Organization team is out of quarantine and set for face-to-face meetings as part of their probe into the origins of the virus in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

Skybird

01-28-21, 09:38 AM

Wouldn't have been my choice of headline but this article pretty much sums up were we are presently imho.
The Us paid huge money, and early, and reaps the fruits of taking the risk.
The UK paid huge money, and went in early, and reaps the fruits of tkaing the risk.
Israel went all in early, and reaps the fruits of takign the risk.

Russia did likewise, earlier than any other.

But the Eu wanted:
- the perfect plan
- free of risks
- the perfect mix of national providers
- the perfect jabs
- protection for French industry interests
- no hurt feelings, only winners everywhere
- posing as superior planner itself
- saving little money
- while keepign all its options open.

It wanted the best effect imaginable for the lowest of costs imaginable, like little children want to eat only candies, and not having to give up anything for them.

And so we are where we are. The german lockdown costs short of 4 billion - per week. The vaccination goes hilariously slow. Hope the gains are worth the sacrifices, Germany, are you happy?

Well, in Germany people again and again vote for this kind fo superplanners. And it were the German chancellor whistling back her health minister when he wanted to buy nationally, and told him to tlel von der Leyen he is sorry and that instead the eU shpould run the European big solution.

Mockery and ridicule, well deserved!

Add to that the total, criminal failure to get a mass supplementation with Vitamin D running. Or even just an information campaign. Or even just a word on it on state propanagda media. Instead - NOTHING. Protect the profit interests of Big Pharma instead. Instead even try to prohibit the selling of supplements (Klöckner for the government in April in Brussels, Kühnast for the Greens in October in Berlin).

Mockery and ridicule. And the angriest of angers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwR8mJQHNqY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKe17Abgw90

Skybird

01-28-21, 09:53 AM

And German newspaper "Die Welt" writes today (you can see the grin if you read carefully):

"
The well-known former columnist for the Daily Telegraph, England's Prime Minister Boris Johnson, also gave the Europeans a verbal pat. Although, measured against Johnson's earlier pitches, it was downright statesmanlike and reserved. On Wednesday afternoon, Johnson pointed out in the House of Commons that it would have been "a shame" if his country had joined the EU procurement program and not gone its own way. The casualness of his statement is striking.

"I think we were able to do things differently, and in some ways better," said Johnson, who the day before had to announce the sad mark of more than 100,000 Covid deaths in the UK. At least with a view to the British vaccination program, the conservative is undoubtedly right. 7.16 million Brits had already received their first vaccination by the middle of this week. Almost half a million of them even the second. Germany, on the other hand, is only slowly approaching the two million mark.
"

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article225203365/Lieferungen-von-AstraZeneca-Briten-sterben-damit-Europaeer-leben.html

Skybird

01-28-21, 11:29 AM

German FOCUS writes:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/kommentar-tarnen-taeuschen-tricksen-das-ist-die-methode-von-der-leyens_id_12919835.html

It is easy to invoke Europe's unity in Sunday speeches as having no alternative. But if Europe then cannot “deliver”, trust will wane. How great the loss of trust will be in the end cannot be measured today. In any case, this is also due to a communication like that of von der Leyens, which assumes its own structural faultlessness.
I repeat again, Super-Uschi's acting and behaviour copy the patterns that one has seen of her over the years in two different ressorts she headed as German minister. Big facade, big words, grippy slogans, jovial appearances. On the matters - failures, failures, failures. Insiders said she left the defence ministry behind in a worse condition than Guttenberg - and that really means something, that mark was hard to top. She was a desaster as minister.

Classical dazzler.

mapuc

01-28-21, 12:20 PM

I love it, while my Danish friends are getting more and more desperate-This is because the Danish Prime minister has extended the existing lock-down to Feb. 28. The youngest one-will soon be able to start in school.

The reason to this extending-is the British mutation-last week 8-something % had this mutation-This week 13-something % had it.

As said to my Danish friends. The Danish government will try to do anything so Denmark doesn't end where UK is now.

Markus

Jimbuna

01-28-21, 12:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_KFIhQsU70

skidman

01-28-21, 12:56 PM

EU sends inspectors to AstraZeneca plant

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/corona-impfstoff-eu-schickt-inspekteure-in-astrazeneca-werk-in-belgien-a-bf03f86d-7b3f-497d-9486-db00fed28a5d

ikalugin

01-28-21, 03:24 PM

@skybird

To be fair in Russia both business interests (vaccines sell during the pandemic, the project length is short - just couple of years etc) coincided with the national ones (vaccine being a prestige project).

So just good luck I guess.

Catfish

01-29-21, 03:52 AM

EU Commission head says AstraZeneca contract contains binding orders
(by Reuters Staff)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/eu-commission-head-says-astrazeneca-contract-contains-binding-orders-idUSKBN29Y0LB

If i understand this right, Astra Zeneca is to produce the vaccine and distribute it evenly, wherever it is produced. If this is true, Johnson and the UK have once more shown their egoism in the vaccine "race". If not ...
Whatever is being said by either side, just show us the signed treaty and we will see :03:

edit: "The EU wants to make a redacted version of the contract public later on Friday"

Skybird

01-29-21, 05:10 AM

Their word stands against the others' word on that. Pacta sund servanda, of course. But the pact has to be known to judge its content.

The conflict in the end is a showdown between London and Brussels, playing into Johnson'S hand who can pose and say: "No british lives for Europeans' lives", and the applaus of his people his certain for that.

What ot comes down to, is this: AZ can only prodfuce with plants it has, and with their capacity. The order in which customers orders early or lkate, decides on whom gets delivered first. Possible that AZ must pay penalties if it doe snot fulfill a signed obligation of it. For the eU, needing to compensate for its messy vaccination strategy by quick delivery now, this is hardly solace, becasue money it can print itself as much as it wants, if need be. But forst the content of the treaty must be known by the public.

Preferrably in a non-censored, blackened form.

One thing is sure, however. The Brits signed treaties long before the EU, and if later treaties with the EU alter treaties with the UK, this is a legal head-on collision, the UK will not need to allow having its own treaties unilaterally altered. In that case AZ would be responsible for the conflict by having made statements that it could not deliver on. Which again is of no solace for the EU.

You snooze, you lose.

Skybird

01-29-21, 05:30 AM

When Trump shopped for billions in vaccine, Europe slept the sleep of the righteous

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/politik/experten/gastbeitrag-von-gabor-steingart-als-trump-fuer-milliarden-impfstoff-einkaufte-schlief-europa-den-schlaf-der-gerechten_id_12922627.html

Catfish

01-29-21, 07:21 AM

^ ah yes, how well things are going thanks to Trump's foresight :)

Skybird

01-29-21, 08:01 AM

Its not talkign about some general "things running", its about the specific speed of the vaccination of the population. The US, the UK are much faster than Germany or the EU. They outperform Europe with vacicnation spüeed, becasue they prepared that better,m and earlier, and with much more money invested much earlier. It is absurd that Europeans now complain that the UK paid AZ higher prices for the vcaccine. Its absurd. Demand and saupply, dear Europeans. I recall that it was the same way last spring,k rergarding diretcly ordering FFP2 masks in China. Spahn did it conservatively, but the others send men with suitcases of money to factory gates and bought dleiveries at much higher costs directly there when they left the factory. Naive layman.

Meanwhile:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/ECF6/production/_116726606_contract2.png

In German that is called a classical "Rohrkrepierer". If the eU hopes to prove with this that it has demand for British vaccine reserves by AZ, it shows how desperate they are and how weak their arugments are. The above is - nothing. Until here, game and set for AZ. Not one word that AZ is obliged to reduce production obligations for other customers signing earlier in order to compensate for the losses in their European facilities (which would be a violation of their obligations towards these customers, btw. You cannot unilaterally alter treaty conditions as you want).

Not the first negotation failure by Super-Uschi. Its a common thread that runs through her full career: badly negotiated treaties and deals.

The EU sees something that is not there.

Jimbuna

01-29-21, 08:26 AM

EU publishes disputed AstraZeneca Covid jab contract.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55852698

Key part of the contract on what the EU and #AstraZeneca are at odds over - the ‘Best Reasonable Efforts’ clause.

AZ says it’s not binding on the numbers of the vaccines, instead it’s based on best efforts.

EU says it is binding.

Best Reasonable Efforts. That to me sounds that as long as AZ can prove they have indeed made their best reasonable effort then they’re not in breach. The EU say they are entitled because they invested in it, well so did the U.K. and they ordered 3 months prior.

Yesterday the EU said: "We remain always open to engage with AstraZeneca to resolve this in a spirit of collaboration and responsibility"

The very same day they raided #AstraZeneca's vaccine site in Belgium.

Jimbuna

01-29-21, 08:36 AM

The Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective, the Belgian company has announced.

An international trial looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

The UK has already pre-ordered 30m doses.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89% effective. Both will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

Janssen, a pharmaceutical company owned by Johnson & Johnson, is also investigating whether giving two doses will give either stronger or longer-lasting protection.

The company said its initial findings showed one dose prevented 85% of severe cases.

However part of the trial in South Africa, where a new version of the coronavirus is spreading. found it was just 57% effective.

Dr Paul Stoffels, the chief scientific officer at Johnson & Johnson, said that would "potentially protect hundreds of millions of people from serious and fatal outcomes of

Covid-19".

The company is aiming to make one billion doses this year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Skybird

01-29-21, 08:40 AM

The Russians have offered the EU 100 million doses of their Sputinik-V once they are through with their major efforts of mass-vaccinating their own population. The EU and EMA are considering it.

The Russians say it has an efficiency of 92%, according to this text in the German Pharmazeutischen Zeitung:

https://www.pharmazeutische-zeitung.de/sputnik-impfstoff-zu-92-prozent-wirksam-121796/

A new American jab by Novax reported an efficiency of 89% against the "old" form of Covid-19, but no protection against the mutated form of the virus.

A new jab by Johnson&Johnson owned Belgian company Janssen reports an efficiency of 66%. It should prevent even 85% of severe cases. they aim at producing 1 billion doses htis year, they say. The approach of their design is the same like with the AZ vaccine.

German RKI warns that the more vaccinating is being done, the more mutations there will be.

Jimbuna

01-29-21, 08:48 AM

Portugal has tightened its coronavirus lockdown, banning all non-essential travel abroad and hiring foreign medics, as hospitals struggle and deaths reach record highs. Portugal reported a record 303 deaths and 16,432 new cases on Thursday.

A row has erupted in Paris over a hospital union’s allegation that civil servants are getting Covid vaccinations, despite older medical staff being first in the queue.

New Czech measures to stop people mixing come in at midnight tonight. People will no longer be allowed to take family members on trips to rented cottages and pass them off as business trips. The wearing of higher-protection FFP2 masks is being recommended on public transport too.

Germany has reported a fall in infections over the past week and says the current transmission rate is down to 94.4 per 100,000 inhabitants, according to health officials. However, 839 further deaths have been reported in the past 24 hours.

https://i.postimg.cc/g0gKTJYC/0e633608-3b25-4c71-80a8-ab279960d5a2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

01-29-21, 09:00 AM

UK's R number now at 0.7-1.1

The R rate - the average number of people each person with Covid-19 goes on to infect - for the UK is now estimated to be between 0.7 and 1.1.

Last week the figure was 0.8-1.

The estimates for R and the growth rate are provided by the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M), a sub-group of Sage, and published by the Department of Health and Social Care.

Jimbuna

01-29-21, 11:08 AM

I really don't think they had any choice.

EU drugs regulator approves AstraZeneca vaccine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55862233

Next move: Stop or restrict exports from the EU?

Moonlight

01-29-21, 11:42 AM

I wonder how many unseen brown envelopes have been handed out, there's money to be made from this China Virus and the little people are not getting any of it. :O:

Jimbuna

01-29-21, 01:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynyYvM7rzQ0

Jimbuna

01-29-21, 01:47 PM

Simply wondering what response this will bring.

Brexit: EU introduces controls on vaccines to NI

The EU is introducing export controls on vaccines made in the bloc, amid a row about delivery shortfalls.

Under Northern Ireland's Brexit deal all products should be exported from the EU to NI without checks or controls.

But the EU believed this could be used to circumvent export controls, with NI becoming a backdoor to the wider UK.

DUP leader Arlene Foster described the move as "an incredible act of hostility" by the EU.

The EU invoked Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which allows parts of the deal to be unilaterally overridden.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

Catfish

01-29-21, 03:26 PM

I'm not sure, maybe this fits better in the UK thread. Seems it has not so much to do with the vaccine but with customs (?)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.finanzen.ch/nachrichten/aktien/amazon-schraenkt-lieferungen-nach-nordirland-wegen-brexits-ein-amazon-aktie-tiefer-1030007904

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkq5MmXy9Lg

I just read that the EU already announced restrictions for the export of (any) vaccines to NI already in october, 2020.

Skybird

01-29-21, 03:43 PM

Simply wondering what response this will bring.
Hehe, that article 16 thing was a short fuse that did not need to burn for long before going booom, eh?! :D

Catfish

01-29-21, 03:47 PM

Long read but some ecellent points, translation by Google:

Why Europe can ban better than vaccinate

Ironically, chaots like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson overtake the EU in vaccination. So would a little more nationalism have done us good? Under no circumstance!

A comment by Alan Posener

If the European Union had wanted to give the beleaguered Brexiteers a present: they couldn't have invented a better one than the European vaccination disaster. Fish and fresh meat from the United Kingdom are rotting in trucks because of the new customs formalities; The British Ministry of Commerce recommends desperate British companies to set up European branches, i.e. to cut jobs at home and create them in the EU in order to be able to continue to supply their European customers; and from London an exodus towards Europe has started. But when it comes to corona vaccination, Great Britain beats the EU by far, and Boris Johnson's government never tires of presenting this lead as a Brexit advantage. Whatever he is. If the British were still EU citizens, they would be like us: instead of vaccination, wait for Godot.

Secret glee: This is how one could have rewritten the attitude of many Europeans in the face of Donald Trump's death toll from the USA. In fact, it was the virus that broke the political neck of the economically successful populist. But in the meantime it has been shown that when Trump praised his administration for its preparatory work on vaccination, he for once did not lie. Despite a health system that is unworthy of developed capitalist democracy, Americans are ahead of haughty Europeans when it comes to vaccinating.

And Israel, the country many Europeans love to hate, leads the world in vaccination. Some critics of Israel tried to start the fairy tale that the Jewish state refused to give Palestinians the vaccine. But then it turned out that the Palestinian self-government responsible for health has, out of anger over the Trump peace plan, stopped the joint preparation for a vaccination campaign and instead relied on Russian deliveries.

According to Statista, on January 27, the number of people vaccinated per 100 inhabitants in Israel was 45, in Great Britain 11, in the USA 7.45, in Germany a shameful 2 - in words: two. In the EU, corrupt Malta is in the best position with 4.29 vaccinated per 100 inhabitants, but still behind Serbia, which, like Palestine, injects the Russian substance.

What does European failure tell us? Would Germany be better off if - as at the beginning of the pandemic, when Angela Merkel's government imposed an export ban on masks and protective suits - had acted nationalistically instead of European? Is nationalist more patriotic in the end, as the nationalist governments of Trump, Johnson and Netanyahu seem to be proving?

The EU Commission has failed

That would be the wrong lesson from the vaccination disaster for several reasons. First: Boris Johnson is in good shape when it comes to vaccines, not because he acted nationally, but because he acted early. The same applies to Netanyahu, who, like Trump, also offered a good price, while the EU Commission, ignoring elementary market laws, believed it could secure a volume discount. But those who offer a product enjoy producer surplus as long as the supply is scarce and the demand is high; only when many providers fight for a shrinking market will there be a consumer surplus.

Second, like an overly cautious investor, the EU Commission relied on many companies, including some losers who are now unable or unable to deliver. Bad luck, on the one hand. On the other hand, there is a persistent rumor that some European governments have put pressure behind the scenes in favor of their national champions: France in favor of Sanofi, Germany in favor of CureVac. In this way, intra-European nationalism would be at least partially responsible for the wrong European decisions.

Third, we are experiencing the negative consequences of nationalism in the tragic comedy about the vaccine developed by AstraZeneca in Great Britain. In May 2020, the UK government wrote in the contract with AstraZeneca that UK-made vaccine would be offered to the UK first. One can criticize that. One can point out that the BioNTech vaccine is invented in Germany and manufactured in Belgium, and one can wonder how Johnson would be if the EU had written similar conditions into its contracts with the manufacturers.

But the point is that the EU signed contracts far too late: with AstraZeneca in August, with BionNTech in November. And the current dispute, in which the EU Commission AstraZeneca threatens legal means because of the lack of deliveries and dark of a possible
It is probably no coincidence that the USA, Israel and Great Britain are doing well compared to most EU countries when it comes to vaccination, but not at all when it comes to the number of infections and deaths. In other words: When it comes to restrictions, rules and bans, things work quite well in the EU. When it comes to innovations and their use, less. It is no coincidence that Europe is - and rightly - a pioneer in regulating the large tech companies, but has not developed Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, TikTok or Alibaba itself. That Europe has proclaimed an energy transition, but that European car companies are still lagging behind Tesla in terms of electromobility. That even where we are top, with the vaccine, we do not take courage and show the world an example of European efficiency and solidarity, but hesitate, hesitate, save and then complain and blame others. I say "we" because we are Europe. It is our commission that has failed here.

The vaccination disaster and the federal election
And it's about more than the internal competition between the EU, the USA, Great Britain and Israel. The United Arab Emirates have the second highest vaccination rate in the world - with the Chinese vaccine from Sinovac, which is also used in Turkey, Indonesia, Brazil and the Philippines. The Russian Sputnik-V vaccine was ordered by Palestine and Serbia, Venezuela and EU member Hungary, among others, although the test data have not yet been published.

Yes, Angela Merkel has already "offered" the Russian state investment fund a joint production of the vaccine: a language that paraphrases a cry for help. If it is not possible to vaccinate the majority of the population in Germany by the summer and restore a reasonably normal public life, the Union will be in poor shape in the federal election in autumn. But how can one counter the Russian kleptocracy and its imperial ambitions when the health of the population and the political survival of the Christian Democrats depend on Russian vaccine?

So in the age of the "vaccine wars", more nationalism is not only not the answer, it is downright self-destructive. If the western states cannot agree on a joint effort to increase the production and administration of the vaccines developed, tested and approved here and to distribute them to the hitherto neglected states of South Asia, South America and Africa, the European vaccination disaster is likely to be followed by a western diplomatic disaster, that could overshadow the consequences of the Trump years and Brexit.

ikalugin

01-29-21, 04:19 PM

Skybird

01-29-21, 05:29 PM

Long read but some ecellent points, translation by Google:

Why Europe can ban better than vaccinate

Ironically, chaots [...] to the hitherto neglected states of South Asia, South America and Africa, the European vaccination disaster is likely to be followed by a western diplomatic disaster, that could overshadow the consequences of the Trump years and Brexit.
Okay, lets practice human sacrifice for the noble EU utopia! Hooray! Any comrades volunteering? Catfish, maybe? Mind to risk infection, serious health consequences and death to push the EU?

Catfish

01-29-21, 05:33 PM

^ I guess i "volunteer" as much as you do? :D
Why didn't you move over to the UK promised land in time? Apart from this it seems you read the first and the last line, congratulations.

Catfish

01-29-21, 05:36 PM

My assumption is that any vaccine is better than no vaccine, so this buy may make sense, provided the pricing is not retarded.
RDIF is probably going to squeeze somewhat though, because ROI is important.
'Sputnik' seems to be not bad at all, also it has the same vectoral approach as the Astra-Zeneca type of vaccine afaik :hmmm:

Skybird

01-29-21, 06:01 PM

^ I guess i "volunteer" as much as you do? :D
Why didn't you move over to the UK promised land in time?
Your reply has nothing to do with my suggestion before, and is purely rhetorical.

Skybird

01-29-21, 06:05 PM

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/corona-impfstoff-knappheit-die-eu-hat-einen-machtverlust-erlitten-und-das-bekommt-sie-jetzt-zu-spueren-a-7dc4101c-abb8-4883-b4f6-4acad29b5acb

European lawyer on vaccine shortages "The EU has suffered a loss of power and it is now feeling that"

European lawyer Frank Schorkopf sees the EU in a weak position in the dispute over vaccine deliveries - precisely because of this, the conflict could widen dramatically.

An interview by Dietmar Hipp (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/impressum/autor-9ca9ea74-0001-0003-0000-000000000181)
January 29, 2021, 7.30 p.m.

SPIEGEL: Professor Schorkopf, the British-Swedish pharmaceutical manufacturer AstraZeneca (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/thema/astrazeneca/) initially wants to deliver significantly fewer doses of its corona vaccine to the EU than planned, allegedly due to production difficulties in Belgium. Can you understand that?

Schorkopf: One is the technical difficulties - I'm going to assume that they are real, otherwise the manufacturer would not get into such a conflict.

SPIEGEL: And the other one?

Schorkopf: Those are the legal obligations. But even if the manufacturer were to break the contract, the EU can do little legally.

SPIEGEL: AstraZeneca boss Pascal Soriot has already stated that there was no delivery guarantee (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/wirtschaft/unternehmen/corona-impfstoff-astrazeneca-sieht-langsamen-vertragsabschluss-als-grund-fuer-lieferengpaesse-a-28f557d5-a24e-46d9-a8f1-5ae46a0cc3a8) and that other customers who would have ordered earlier would now receive preferential delivery (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/wirtschaft/unternehmen/corona-impfstoff-astrazeneca-sieht-langsamen-vertragsabschluss-als-grund-fuer-lieferengpaesse-a-28f557d5-a24e-46d9-a8f1-5ae46a0cc3a8) .

Schorkopf: Yes, and it is noticeable that the EU Commission is outraged, but does not expressly object. At least she has now published the contracts, even if they have been partially blackened. AstraZeneca is required to "make the best possible effort" to provide certain quantities at certain times. However, it is not entirely clear whether the plants in Great Britain are included in this delivery obligation.

SPIEGEL: After a conversation with AstraZeneca, Health Commissioner Stella Kyriakides said on Twitter yesterday: " We regret the continuing lack of clarity about the delivery schedule (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/corona-impfstoff-treffen-von-astrazeneca-mit-eu-ohne-loesung-a-2e3f7b0a-24c2-49cc-b284-807e7c746663) ."

Schorkopf: In any case, the EU is also responsible for this lack of clarity. The EU calls for "fairness", also internationally, which tends to suggest a weak position.
SPIEGEL: Couldn't you sue the manufacturer for cutting other customers and delivering more to the EU in return?

Schorkopf: But if he still refuses, for whatever reason, that won't help. You cannot switch to other providers at the moment. And even if AstraZeneca were eventually sentenced to pay damages, that wouldn't give us the vaccine we need now.

SPIEGEL: The EU is already threatening an export ban for the AstraZeneca vaccine (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/eu-droht-impfstoff-herstellern-mit-exportverbot-a-2be20dec-5a7b-4d1e-b58e-e48b964dc653) .

Schorkopf: The Commission wants to create a mechanism that first makes the supply flows transparent and at the end of which there can actually be an export ban. But that doesn't help either if there are actually production difficulties in Belgium and at the moment only the British plants are fully producing. For their part, the British government and the local public would hardly put up with the fact that the manufacturer cuts deliveries to the British and instead sends more to the EU. Then the Johnson administration would probably very quickly prevent exports for its part.

SPIEGEL: And then what?

Schorkopf: Then an international escalation threatens. In principle, we are dealing with a direct consequence of Brexit: We are painfully aware that the EU no longer has the entire European economic area under control. The EU has suffered a loss of power and it is now feeling that.

SPIEGEL: What could such an escalation look like?

Schorkopf:For example, the EU could prohibit another manufacturer's vaccine - Biontech - from being shipped to the UK from Belgium. But Great Britain would react to that too. In the past, deep conflicts arose from something like this. Fortunately, that is not to be feared now. But these vaccines are currently the most important resource worldwide, far ahead of data, gold or weapons. The tighter they are, the harder the struggle is between the buyers - and that is the nation states, and in our case the EU. Only recently, the EU was very patronizing. One did not want to place oneself on a par with the governments of the USA and Great Britain and their "America first" or "Britain first" doctrine. But a state is responsible for the health of its own citizens.Now suddenly Brussels too is fighting for the solid interests of its member states. But unfortunately only from a position of relative weakness."Wait your turn," a British newspaper just ran the headline. (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-55835760)

SPIEGEL: The EU member states have given Brussels the power to buy vaccines.

Schorkopf: The protection of health is a matter for the states. Their governments are actually responsible. The EU Commission has taken on this task from its member states, in particular Commission President Ursula von der Leyen (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/thema/ursula_von_der_leyen/) and Chancellor Angela Merkel (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/thema/angela_merkel/) as President of the European Council have agreed on this. There were certainly good reasons for this, even if it could have been organized differently, for example through cooperation between strong member states, as was initially planned.

SPIEGEL: Smaller member states could easily have gotten caught up in this.

Schorkopf: Not necessarily. Nevertheless, one could have ordered enough for everyone. However, in retrospect, at least in retrospect, it is difficult to understand that the costs were struggled for months, with a possible saving of at best a few euros per dose, but that - at least in fact - a disadvantage in terms of delivery was negotiated.

SPIEGEL: That was apparently less due to EU buyers than to smaller member states, which were afraid of excessive costs.

Schorkopf: There is so much at stake for the Federal Republic of Germany that Germany could also have said that we would take double that and give away what is left. In an emergency, Federal Health Minister Spahn has now obtained a drug that costs 2,000 euros per dose. Not to mention the financial consequences of a lockdown extended by weeks or months. The EU has negotiated cheap prices. But at what cost to our economy, our public budgets, perhaps our political system?

SPIEGEL: Tell us.

Schorkopf: It is still too early to judge that. But if “protecting the European way of life” is the goal of the EU Commission, then it has burned a lot of goodwill here. The EU, it must be emphasized once again, is actually not responsible for health policy. Some people in Brussels were therefore delighted that things were getting moving here too in terms of ever closer European integration (https://2pwutjqp3kfdm6ii7uvixqow44--www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/macron-vertrauter-ueber-corona-impfungen-in-der-eu-und-was-sehen-wir-chaos-a-2a8d6123-56ad-456a-9de2-a57b6e9aeff5) . But maybe it would have been better to bet on a slightly less existential question.

SPIEGEL: There is a saying in Brussels that a serious crisis is too valuable to be wasted.

Schorkopf: But the European integrationists got lost here, presumably because they wanted something bigger politically.

SPIEGEL: What?

Schorkopf: Well, to live European solidarity, which is a good idea, and to advance European integration. The latter should at least not be an end in itself. And if that is at the expense of the health of the European population, not to mention the economy and public finances, then I see it critically. The apparently strong EU can suddenly find itself in a very weak position. The EU tends, like states, to legitimize itself more and more through success and less through the correct procedure. This becomes especially a problem when success does not materialize, when it does not deliver in both senses of the word. The European edition of the magazine »Politico« has just published a large report on (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/)which ends with the fact that the "slower, more deliberate and cooperative efforts of the EU could have cost precious time and lives." That would be tragic, but it would also be a signal that would cancel out goodwill, both internally and externally, if the fundamental rights to protect health and life had been sacrificed in favor of European solidarity.

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Frank Schorkopf , born in 1970, is professor for constitutional and European law at the University of Göttingen. As an agent, he has represented the federal government before the Federal Constitutional Court.

mapuc

01-29-21, 06:24 PM

In a care home here in Denmark every elder and the nurses and doctors have got their two shots-10 of the elder and some of the nurses has nevertheless got infected with corona.

In the news they said-the vaccine does not prevent you from being infected. It protect you so the corona doesn't develop to Covid-19

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Skybird

01-29-21, 06:25 PM

https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/autoindustrie/exportverbote-beschleunigen-den-niedergang-der-eu-a-2e4726ea-0657-4bfc-81bb-f93cf825cff2

Brussels vaccination failure:
Export bans accelerate the decline of the EU

An opinion-piece by Daniel Stelter (https://xwrybzql53srnxkbhpnnym2hqu--www-manager-magazin-de.translate.goog/impressum/autor-abf750bd-0001-0003-0000-000000001510)

The EU and the German federal government have failed across the board when it comes to procuring the corona vaccine. This leads to the recent helplessness towards Astrazeneca. The threats from Brussels also represent the EU's decline on the global stage.

It is hard to deny that the EU and the federal government have failed across the board in getting vaccines. It was partly bad luck, but above all a completely wrong strategy. As already explained at this point (https://xwrybzql53srnxkbhpnnym2hqu--www-manager-magazin-de.translate.goog/politik/europa/klimawandel-fatale-impfstrategie-der-europaeischen-union-als-schlechtes-omen-a-c0cce7dc-ee89-4e06-a793-0d0e7b528cc9) , it is worthwhile to buy from all providers for all citizens of the EU and to assume the cost of production capacities, and it is still a gigantic economic gain.

Those responsible and their supporters in politics and the media are trying with all their might to divert attention from this blatant state failure and accuse critics of practicing "vaccination nationalism" or "knowing better afterwards". Both are proven to be wrong. Joint procurement is correct, but it must then also be done professionally.

Great Britain is showing the way

Britain (https://xwrybzql53srnxkbhpnnym2hqu--www-manager-magazin-de.translate.goog/thema/grossbritannien/) , which recently left the EU, shows how to do it . If you look at the causes of the significantly higher vaccination numbers (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://think-beyondtheobvious.com/stelters-lektuere/warum-grossbritannien-bei-der-impfung-gewinnt/) - almost 500,000 people were vaccinated there last Sunday alone - you can see the following simple points:

Fast approval : both the UK and the USA (https://xwrybzql53srnxkbhpnnym2hqu--www-manager-magazin-de.translate.goog/thema/usa/) approved the vaccines much faster. This does not mean that the process was less thorough, it rather shows that the licensing authority in Brussels has worked in the usual leisurely manner.
Early purchase and production guarantees (https://xwrybzql53srnxkbhpnnym2hqu--www-manager-magazin-de.translate.goog/thema/biontech/): the British had contracts with Astrazeneca, Pfizer / Biontech (https://xwrybzql53srnxkbhpnnym2hqu--www-manager-magazin-de.translate.goog/thema/biontech/) , Valneva, GSK / Sanofi, Novavax and Johnson & Johnson as early as August . The EU was still thinking about it. Even more important: an agreement between the government and the generics manufacturer Wockhardt - also concluded in August - to exclusively fill and package vaccines for 18 months. 100 million cans exclusively for the UK.
Concentration on the first vaccination: Instead of holding the second dose of the Biontech vaccine for the booster vaccination, as many people as possible are given the first vaccination. This seems justifiable given that a significant part of the vaccination protection comes with the first dose, as so many more people are protected.
Easy appointment scheduling: hundreds of thousands of high-risk patients have been written to, making appointments via the Internet and telephone is easy and works.
Large network of vaccination centers: over 1200 vaccination centers have already been set up. More are being set up so that no citizen has to travel more than ten miles to their vaccination center. The vaccination is given around the clock, seven days a week.
Volunteers and the military help: The British Army helps with the logistics, a good 200,000 volunteers and military personnel are deployed.

While we are in the headlines about the high number of infections and deaths from Great Britain, we have to acknowledge that the British government is way ahead on the only instrument that really works - vaccination. The country is also struggling with the "British" variant of the corona virus. There cannot be a "German" only because we only carried out a good 2000 tests for mutations in the pandemic year 2020 - in Great Britain more samples are tested every week!

Panic in Brussels and Berlin

The population of the EU and Germany is (https://xwrybzql53srnxkbhpnnym2hqu--www-manager-magazin-de.translate.goog/thema/deutschland/) slowly realizing that the politicians have failed across the board in view of the historic task and the enormous economic, social and societal consequences of the Corona crisis. One can only wonder that there is no wave of demands for resignation.

The result: Politicians not only continue to try to throw sand in the eyes with questionable statements - for example: "We have ordered more than enough vaccine", without saying when this vaccine will arrive, which is the decisive factor - but instead on the grand gesture. Now that Astrazeneca is struggling with delivery problems, politicians in Brussels and Berlin are calling for export bans on vaccines. In essence, this means no more vaccine should be shipped to the UK as this is the only other market in which the vaccine is approved.

This demand may be popular and sound like good policy, but in reality it represents the accelerated decline of the EU. Why?

First of all , an export ban does not change the problem . As shown above, the British have their own capacities and will accordingly export to the EU later. In view of the quantities, less vaccine is likely to be available in the EU than without the export ban.
Everyone in business now knows that if they have a production site in the EU, they run the risk of being subject to an export ban . Vaccines today, biotechnology tomorrow and the day after tomorrow ... Every company has to consider whether it is an acceptable risk to manufacture in the EU for the world. The answer is clear: no.
This lasting destruction of trust in the EU as a business location fits into the already existing tendency towards overregulation and planned economy control - not least visible in the failed climate policy.
In the EU, the gap between desire and reality is growing ever more clearly . Instead of becoming the "most competitive region in the world" , as it was decided in Lisbon (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://think-beyondtheobvious.com/10-jahre-lissabon-vertrag-wie-ist-die-wirtschaftliche-lage-der-eu-heute-fakten-zum-nachlesen/) in 2000 (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://think-beyondtheobvious.com/10-jahre-lissabon-vertrag-wie-ist-die-wirtschaftliche-lage-der-eu-heute-fakten-zum-nachlesen/) , the EU is being left behind by the USA and China (https://xwrybzql53srnxkbhpnnym2hqu--www-manager-magazin-de.translate.goog/thema/china/) in all decisive future areas.

Opportunity for UK

With its failure to procure vaccines, the EU retrospectively provides the British with a justification for Brexit (which I very much regret and think is wrong!) And all EU citizens an objective reason for skepticism about the euro. Planned economy interventions, which damage the location even more, do not help, but lay the basis for even greater dissatisfaction with the EU in the future.

For the UK, on the other hand, there are increasing opportunities to benefit from the Brussels failure. So it makes sense to lure international companies to Great Britain with the promise that they can always deliver anywhere in the world, no matter what. And it looks like Brussels should offer many more opportunities to differentiate itself positively in the coming years.
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Daniel Stelter is the founder of the "Beyond the Obvious" (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://think-beyondtheobvious.com/) discussion forum, which specializes in strategy and macroeconomics, and is a management consultant. Prior to that, Stelter was with the Boston Consulting Group (BCG) from 1990 to 2013, most recently as Senior Partner, Managing Director and member of the BCG Executive Committee. His new book "A Dream of a Country - Germany 2040" will be published on February 10, 2021.
Twitter: @thinkBTO (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.twitter.com/@thinkBTO)

Skybird

01-29-21, 06:35 PM

It protect you so the corona doesn't develop to Covid-19

?!?! That makes no sense. Corona is a family of virusses (which are familiar to us since long time), of which Covid-19 is a strain that actually runs the pandemic. You probably mean that an infected but vaccinated person does not form a severe cause with severe symptoms, only a mild cause?!

The virus load at exposition time is long since known to decide on the severity of the individual case as well. The more virusses attack already at infection time, the faster the virus population in the organsim reaches treshold value where it can fully attack the organism and immune system. The immune system has less time to learn, train and adapt. Thats why masks help to increase the likelihood of a mild going even if the person wearing them gets infected: the person gets infected with less virusses in the beginning, and the immune system wins some time to advance further its preparation before the virus load in the organism reaches that treshhold level. A vaccination also implements a pre-prepared immune system defence, and so the desease may run weaker in that patient.

We also know that at least some of these vaccines may protect the person, but that person still can become carrier and can infest others.

mapuc

01-29-21, 06:48 PM

^ I think you are correct and I have misunderstod what this doctor said the news.

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Buddahaid

01-29-21, 08:53 PM

"European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said she and Boris Johnson had "constructive talks".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55865539

ikalugin

01-29-21, 10:46 PM

I would point out that vaccines can be optimised to:
1) decrease the probability (p) or death
2) decrease the p of heavy symptoms
3) decrease the p of infection

In my understanding most vaccines were optimised for (1) and/or (2), not (3), so even heavy/total vaccination would not eradicate spread, I seem to recall information from Israel that while their vaccination did reduce the burden of the desease it reduced the infection rate by only ~1/3, but I may be misinformed/misremembering.

'Sputnik' seems to be not bad at all, also it has the same vectoral approach as the Astra-Zeneca type of vaccine afaik :hmmm:

Yes, not sure if A-Z use two different vector viruses the way Gamalea does.

Skybird

01-30-21, 03:41 AM

Imagine. Putin poisons Nawalny, Germany is demanded to stop Nord Stream2, but then the EU buys the Putivaccine. :D

Skybird

01-30-21, 04:24 AM

Super-Uschi hat's mal wieder verkackt. As already so many times before. And "Die Welt", btw, is not a EU hostile national paper in Germany, but considers itself to be centrist, EU-friendly. The many salvos they currently fire against the EU is not their agenda, but is well-deserved. The EU and Super-Uschi and Merkel ask for it.

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article225327127/Corona-Management-Das-unvergessliche-Brexit-Eigentor-der-Ursula-von-der-Leyen.html

Ursula von der Leyen's unforgettable Brexit own goal

The crisis management of the EU Commission chief caused the first collateral damage. The German is undermining the Union's credibility with her actions.

It seldom happens that the EU Commission issues communications very late in the evening. Disasters, wars and crises can force Brussels to act even at night. However, a decision announced by the authority on Friday evening is not due to external factors. Rather, it is an attempt to correct collateral damage caused by Ursula von der Leyen's Corona Management.

Because this is serious, it is too late to correct it anyway. The Anglophile EU Commission chief, who is so dear to good relations with the UK after Brexit, has massively undermined precisely those in her increasingly desperate attempt to distract from her own mistakes. And it has damaged the credibility of the EU itself, because it put the long-preached importance of an open border in Northern Ireland aside.

What happened? On Friday afternoon, Brussels presented a regulation with which the export of vaccines should be strictly monitored and possibly even stopped. The background to this is the slow deliveries of vaccines to EU members. Von der Leyen sees the blame for this on pharmaceutical companies such as AstraZeneca, which allegedly fail to meet their contractual commitments and lack transparency.
https://www.welt.de/img/deutschland/crop140132097/1727329975-ci5x10s-w450/Bilder-zur-Campus-Elite-Uni-GoettingenFXNoJU.jpg

A long list of countries is excluded from the measure, all neighboring countries of the EU, only one not: the United Kingdom, which, as is well known, masters its vaccination program excellently because it develops and produces vaccines in its own country and concluded supply contracts early on.

But Brussels went further. A safeguard clause was drawn up in the so-called Northern Ireland Protocol, which regulates the complex status of British territory on the Irish island after Brexit. In fact, von der Leyen ordered the closure of the border between the Irish Republic and the British North because potentially “European” vaccines could find their way into the United Kingdom unhindered.

An absurd decision because Northern Ireland is already covered by the British vaccination program. However, this excess act was even more absurd, because just a few months ago the EU Commission was screaming and screaming when Boris Johnson had called the Northern Ireland Protocol into question with a bill. On their high moral steed, the Europeans looked forward to cornering the British prime minister, with the help of the shortly thereafter elected US President Joe Biden, to whom peace in Northern Ireland is a precious good because of his Irish roots.

This is exactly what the Europeans had claimed for themselves for years and closed ranks around Ireland, which was hard hit by Brexit and whose stability was feared because of the border issue. Von der Leyen, however, seems to have completely forgotten that in her Corona panic. The Irish government has not even been consulted about the export controls hastily issued by Brussels.

An outcry went through the kingdom over the "incredibly hostile act", as Northern Ireland Prime Minister Foster put it. The protest in Ireland and in her own authority also forced the Germans to give in. She cashed in the triggering of the safeguard clause in the shadow of the night.

The hardliners in the Kingdom will not forget von Leyen's own Brexit goal and use it as a welcome template if torpedoing the Brexit agreement pays off domestically. Meanwhile, the pro-Europeans on the island are increasingly wondering whether the departure from Brussels might not have been so bad after all.
Lets not forget that the EU desaster policy is a Leyen-Merkel coproduction. The two German super-nannies lobbied heavily for havign the EU taking over responsibilities that in principle are not its own and that it has no legal basis to take over: health policy in Europe is nations' responsibilities - not the EU's. So the problem already starts with the EU once again sticking its pesky imertinent little nose into things that in principle were not its business.

ikalugin

01-30-21, 06:44 AM

Imagine. Putin poisons Nawalny, Germany is demanded to stop Nord Stream2, but then the EU buys the Putivaccine. :D

Money doesn't smell, we would sell it.

Jimbuna

01-30-21, 07:17 AM

"European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said she and Boris Johnson had "constructive talks".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55865539

I don't think the EU really had that much choice after the 'Trumpian act' they demonstrated to the rest of the world. As far as I can ascertain there were many within the EU who were disgusted by the measure when first announced.

Skybird

01-30-21, 07:25 AM

Money doesn't smell, we would sell it.
Sure you would, and why wouldnt you! :D I was more about mocking morale apostles here in the West. ;)

Jimbuna

01-30-21, 07:27 AM

Not the best of sources but the story tells itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBnwiq1pZMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfXOyYGgT4U

Skybird

01-30-21, 09:58 AM

Maybe team EU Commission should hire the services of Mr. Guiliani from the US to get their stuff "fixed", I heard he is no longer involved in the impeachment show and has plenty of free time and talent at his hands. :haha:

Skybird

01-30-21, 10:00 AM

A man's experience with getting the Sputnik-V jab.

https://www.dw.com/en/my-experience-with-russias-sputnik-v-covid-19-vaccine/a-56391327

Skybird

01-30-21, 10:55 AM

The mayor of Hamburg says the chancellor's office informed him that now the vaccine deliveries by Moderna to Germany also get reduced.

Jimbuna

01-30-21, 12:02 PM

A further 23,275 coronavirus cases have been recorded in the UK, according to government data.

That's down on yesterday's figure of 29,079 positive tests.

The number of deaths recorded today - 1,200 is only slightly lower than Friday's total of 1,245.

This takes the total number of people to die within 28 days of a positive test to 105,571.

The number of people who have received their first vaccine is 8,378,940 and 480,432 people have received their second dose.

https://i.postimg.cc/66G5dk29/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Lh2pS037)

Jimbuna

01-30-21, 12:14 PM

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove says the EU has agreed a "reset" on relations with Northern Ireland is needed.

On Friday, the EU reversed its decision to trigger Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol - which allows the EU and UK to choose to suspend any aspects they consider are causing "economic, societal or environmental difficulties" - following condemnation from London, Dublin and Belfast.

The move came amid a deepening dispute over delays to the production and distribution of Covid vaccines across the EU.

Gove says: "I think the European Union recognises that they made a mistake in triggering Article 16 which would've meant the reimposition of a border on the island of Ireland.

"But now the European Union has stepped back.

"I've spoken to the European Commission vice-president Maros Sefcovic about this and we both agreed that we need a reset, that we need to put the people of Northern Ireland first."

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has said the EU has recognised it "made a mistake" after reversing an emergency clause in the Brexit deal to control Covid vaccine exports.

And he says he is "confident" the UK is "on track" to deliver 15 million jabs by 15 February.

"Last night the Prime Minister talked to President von der Leyen, the President of the European Commission, and made clear that we need to have the contracts that have been entered into honoured properly", he said.

"And it was made clear that that supply would not be interrupted so we can proceed with our plans and make sure that our so far highly-successful vaccination programme can continue."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55869476

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Jimbuna

01-30-21, 12:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgBvEYC-xkE

Rockstar

01-30-21, 02:19 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/pr0ZVmfH/3ac82249-e602-45bf-94d1-fa598154501a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

According to yesterday's news from official government source (U.S. CDC)

Vaccinations in the U.S. began Dec. 14 with health-care workers, and so far 28.9 million shots have been given, according to a state-by-state tally by Bloomberg and data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In the last week, an average of 1.30 million doses per day were administered.

Across the U.S., 8.8 doses have been administered for every 100 people, and 59% of the shots delivered to states have been administered.

Skybird

01-30-21, 05:04 PM

Local vaccination centre in my town is shut down since - well, since as long as I realised they built one. The testing site of the university hospital UKM - a huge tent they built - I sometimes pass by when I drive to my parents, but it is shut down as well most of the time. Very useful.

The registration system for getting a date, is typically German - complicated. Elder people are overloaded with it. The system also is bogged down. You enter all your data or that for the older perosns you help out, and then get told that there are no vaccination dates available. I tried it, knowing that currently my parents due to their age below 80 would not get vaccinated anyway. But I trtied with entering an imagined perosn age 85. No chance. You type all the stuff, and then they tell you that the system is shut down. Clever sequence.

And this morning I red that some German health authorities insist on that remaining doses and complete flasks of vaccines meant for institutions should be destroyed instead of being vaccinated at random to people on location, if shots or flasks show up to remain at the end of vaccination the target audfience there (people 80+ years). It is not fair and not just if other people could "win" random vaccination beyond the time tables and supreme planning schemes the central planners have set up on relevant jobs, age structures, system-relevant workers. This should not be, it is not social. Its better to destroy remaining flasks instead of vaccinating them to anyone around. There must be at least this bit of justice!

This after the EU allowed the AZ vaccine for older people beyond 65 years, where as the Germans have banned the use for peoploe older than 65, quoting not sufficient data on that the vaccine is effective for these. The german monkeys even had the nerve to criticise the EMA for its decision that was made in the light of the ongoing emergency. AZ may have slept and indeed produced small data samples on these old age groups, but - Hello...? January, 2021? Pandemic, havbe you noticed there is one...? Lockdown, need for vaccines, cataclysmic economic costs...? Hello Germany - somebody at home? I someone on the line over there? Hello - Germany, are you still there, are you still alive...???

Die sind doch völlig bescheuert, diese dämlichen Deutschen.
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The country should be declared a forbidden zone by the UN, a brainworm must have wiped out all intelligent life over there, only zombies and hollow apparatschiks survived. Do not enter, do not approach.

Catfish

01-30-21, 05:36 PM

Your reply has nothing to do with my suggestion before, and is purely rhetorical.
Maybe you reread the post i answered to.

re Jim while i think invoking article 16 was not the brightest idea, it is not all so easy as it looks. And why should the UK have the top position in screwing things up :D

Fact check: Is AstraZeneca in breach of its EU contract?

How can delivery bottlenecks occur when the EU paid millions to boost AstraZeneca's production?
DW fact check: Not verifiable.

Is the UK receiving its deliveries of the vaccine without any problems?
DW fact check: True.

Is AstraZeneca in breach of its contract with the EU?
DW fact check: Probably true.

Is the AstraZeneca vaccine less effective in elderly people?
DW fact check: Inconclusive.

Further explanation in the link below.
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-astrazeneca-in-breach-of-its-eu-contract/a-56360480

Skybird

01-30-21, 06:53 PM

^ Or in brief: how can plans and intentions not be honoured by reality.

Because plans are plans and intentions are intentions. Practical reality then is somethign very different again. That's the problem with planned economies and command-politics. Just planning to eat a cake is not enough. It must be baked. And currently the one oven has a problem.

When I go into a bakery and want to buy a certain kind of bread, and its out, this does not give me claim that the customer before me who bought the last bread of that type, has to share his with me.

Wer zuerst kommt, mahlt zuerst.

The EU planned the perfect plan instead. A good plan is a good plan. It just has to work.

Mr Quatro

01-30-21, 07:18 PM

Second shot this morning about seven hours ago and I'm slowly starting to feel a bit achy. Tomorrow I'm expecting to feel crummy based on what others experienced.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/8ixinq.jpg

Are you still okay Buddahaid?

No red spots around your ankles or feeling dizzy?

Let us know ... someone in Congress just got the second shot and got Covid-19 anyway :o

Buddahaid

01-30-21, 07:58 PM

Doing fine Lois, why do you ask?

I'm perfectly fine and unlike some others the second shot was less trouble. I felt bad that evening and the next day but that was it. The arm pain was less trouble altogether.

ikalugin

01-30-21, 11:23 PM

A man's experience with getting the Sputnik-V jab.

https://www.dw.com/en/my-experience-with-russias-sputnik-v-covid-19-vaccine/a-56391327

The key parts here:
- he got his shots during testing
- antibody test showed him being negative

This sounds like it could have been a placebo. But yes, human immune systems are strange beasts and things happen.

d@rk51d3

01-31-21, 12:52 AM

Are you still okay Buddahaid?

Let us know ... someone in Congress just got the second shot and got Covid-19 anyway :o

But that's the thing, isn't it?

The vaccine won't stop you catching it, and it won't stop you spreading it.

It will hopefully stop you dying from it.......... unless it doesn't.

Catfish

01-31-21, 05:32 AM

Are you still okay Buddahaid?
No red spots around your ankles or feeling dizzy?
Let us know ... someone in Congress just got the second shot and got Covid-19 anyway :o
He'll begin to post Microsoft links all the time, and create a Bill Gates cult of course :D

Regarding catching the virus "a second time", when you get vaccinated it takes two shots and even after the second one your immunosystem will need a bit of time to build up defences. If you catch it during this time it is bad luck, but still better than without vaccination.

I am not sure whether you can even verify the virus before you have the antibodies as a reaction to it(?)

Catfish

01-31-21, 05:36 AM

But that's the thing, isn't it?
The vaccine won't stop you catching it, and it won't stop you spreading it.
It will hopefully stop you dying from it.......... unless it doesn't.
The vaccine will not stop the virus contacting you if you get infected, but your immunosystem will be prepared, so you will not even get the symptoms. It will also be responsible for keeping the infection low and short by instantly fighting it, so spreading the virus is highly improbable.
The various vaccines have some 90 percent effectivity, so a few will still have problems. On the other hand when a population is completely vaccinated, where can you be infected anymore? If only 50 percent of a population gets vaccinated.. the rest will have a problem, yes.

Skybird

01-31-21, 08:50 AM

The effects of vaccines vary with age, so does the dosis that get vaccinated. Older people tend to get lower doses. Every vaccination has a (low) risk for complications (drama, drama...), the point is this risk must be weighted against the benefit, and by that comparison vaccines usually are a good idea. But the efficiency to which they are effective in the individual, varies with age and individual health conditions. Older people have higher risks for complications from vaccines, and so their vaccination dose must get gets reduced.

Its like this not just with the covid jabs, but with practically every vaccine, AFAIK. Its not as causal as pressing a button an the room light goes on.

mapuc

01-31-21, 10:32 AM

In the Swedish news they said that this pandemic have given us three positive side effect.
1. Less air pollution
2. free work opportunities
3. Faster development of new medicines

Markus

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 10:35 AM

According to yesterday's news from official government source (U.S. CDC)

Vaccinations in the U.S. began Dec. 14 with health-care workers, and so far 28.9 million shots have been given, according to a state-by-state tally by Bloomberg and data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In the last week, an average of 1.30 million doses per day were administered.

Across the U.S., 8.8 doses have been administered for every 100 people, and 59% of the shots delivered to states have been administered.

Different sources equates to different figures and statistics I guess.

My own personal preference is and has always been the BBC

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 10:58 AM

Maybe you reread the post i answered to.

re Jim while i think invoking article 16 was not the brightest idea, it is not all so easy as it looks. And why should the UK have the top position in screwing things up :D

Fact check: Is AstraZeneca in breach of its EU contract?

How can delivery bottlenecks occur when the EU paid millions to boost AstraZeneca's production?
DW fact check: Not verifiable.

Is the UK receiving its deliveries of the vaccine without any problems?
DW fact check: True.

Is AstraZeneca in breach of its contract with the EU?
DW fact check: Probably true.

Is the AstraZeneca vaccine less effective in elderly people?
DW fact check: Inconclusive.

Further explanation in the link below.
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-astrazeneca-in-breach-of-its-eu-contract/a-56360480

Kai, I honestly and truly believe the problem over the vaccine supply from AstraZeneca to the EU is a matter between those two parties.

My own personal opinion is that the EU were slow to move and as such are reaping what they sowed and I totally condemn the threat of article 16 which did little other then show the EU's true colours in what they consider to be a time of crisis to the rest of the world.

Having said that, I have nothing but admiration for their withdrawal of said threat and as such, given a month or so I would hope the UK with the introduction of a new vaccine be in a position to offer supplies to not only the EU but other less fortunate countries as well (we have already donated/given £550m in aid to help distribute doses around the world).

Now that there has been a reset in relations one must hope a plan, transparent and between two equals can be worked out for the mutual benefit of both parties.

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 11:19 AM

A further 587 people have died within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test in the UK, the government's daily figures show.

A further 21,088 new infections were recorded in the last 24 hours, according to the data.

The figures show 598,389 received their first dose on Saturday.

The previous record was set last Saturday when the UK reported 491,970 doses in a single day.

It brings the total number of people to receive their first dose of a Covid vaccine to 8,977,329, with another 491,053 receiving their second dose.

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 11:35 AM

A night curfew will also be more tightly enforced and large shopping centres will close, the French PM says.

Portugal's Foreign Minister Augusto Santos Silva has defended European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and called for unity, after a week that saw tensions over the EU’s handling of its vaccine shortage crisis. "There is no reason for the leaders of Europe to argue. It is very important that we keep united," he told the BBC.

Australian city of Perth enters a five-day lockdown after a security guard at a quarantine hotel gets coronavirus.

Israel has agreed to transfer thousands of vaccines to the Palestinians, amid controversy over whether it should include those in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in its vaccination programme. Its defence ministry said 5,000 doses would be made available to immunise front-line Palestinian medical workers.

Skybird

01-31-21, 11:38 AM

Now that there has been a reset in relations
You really believe that? :03: :D

The EU let its mask fall mfor a moment, and even when it correcte diut quuckly, it will not be forgotten how easily it tried to play foul in the first, and many fears of EU critics have been confirmed. This will come at a price in the future.

Assuming differently I fear is just trusting in cosmetics. Must not worry you, however, the bill is at the EU's cost, not the UK's cost.

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 11:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWisodX7QtY

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 01:10 PM

You really believe that? :03: :D

The EU let its mask fall mfor a moment, and even when it correcte diut quuckly, it will not be forgotten how easily it tried to play foul in the first, and many fears of EU critics have been confirmed. This will come at a price in the future.

Assuming differently I fear is just trusting in cosmetics. Must not worry you, however, the bill is at the EU's cost, not the UK's cost.

I hold on to the hope that should the EU play 'silly buggas' our current political regime would simply walk away and turn to WTO terms of reference.

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 01:17 PM

OH BUGGA!

Captain Sir Tom Moore in hospital with coronavirus https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881508

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 01:25 PM

A pretty good account of where we are currently at imho.

EU 'fiasco' on N Ireland heaps pressure on Commission https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55872763

Catfish

01-31-21, 01:50 PM

Kai, I honestly and truly believe the problem over the vaccine supply from AstraZeneca to the EU is a matter between those two parties. [...]

See, this is what i doubt.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/30/europe/uk-eu-astrazeneca-vaccine-nationalism-gbr-intl/index.html

When the EU decided to fund the development of a vaccine it was not yet known which company would find a vaccine, if at all!
So they distributed funds for development to several different companies. Afaik Biontech was first to find one, with others following suit.

"Peter Bone, a Conservative British lawmaker, said EU leaders were "bullies" for inspecting the Belgian plant. In an interview with talkRADIO on Friday, he accused them of "trying to cover up for their own failures" and reversed the EU's accusation, saying Brussels was trying to divert UK-made vaccines to its own people.

But the EU's contract with AstraZeneca -- which Brussels published on Friday -- states that doses for the bloc could indeed come from a supply chain that includes UK-based plants. Equally, the UK is receiving doses from Europe as well -- a person familiar with the matter said that the UK is still receiving small numbers of vaccines made in European plants, and that its initial doses had come from Europe too.

The UK government, which is miles ahead of the EU in vaccinating its population, has not released its contract with the company and has repeatedly declined to disclose to CNN how many doses it has in hand, citing "security reasons."

Ah. We will see; or maybe not.

Jimbuna

01-31-21, 02:21 PM

Do you not think (a pinch of hindsight here) that the original intention for all EU countries to organise their own procurement of the vaccine would have been the best way forward, rather than have the Commission overrule them all and procure en mass?

Catfish

01-31-21, 03:02 PM

^ In short: No. But this is all in the links i posted.
This is what some in the links mean with vaccine nationalism. Proclaiming the "advantages of brexit", so Johnson gets the political score he so urgently needs, after the last year (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/12/britain-vaccine-brexit-covid/617280/)?
I think worldwide efforts including the UK and the 27 nations of the EU produced a better financial and scientific push for finding a vaccine, and fast, than if every country had tried to do that alone. Fast-tracking authorization of a vaccine that was produced in the EU under EU law is not an argument in favor of Brexit; if this is an example of what Britain wants to do in the future... Was'nt COVAX founded to prevent "vaccine nationalism"?

Also, a financial problem: https://iccwbo.org/media-wall/news-speeches/study-shows-vaccine-nationalism-could-cost-rich-countries-us4-5-trillion/

So Johnson was happy to receive the first doses from Pfizer/Biontec in the EU's good faith, but when "his" vaccines arrived he seems to want to store more than previously agreed, and denies to publish the numbers out of 'security reasons'. When the EU wants to control the path were the A-Z vaccines go, it is a "bully". Can you imagine how this looks, to other nations?

Four AZ plants to produce the vaccine, 2 in the UK, 2 in the EU, it is not mentioned in the treaty that the two UK plants only deliver to the UK, the good faith agreement is that the production should be spread equally. This is of course not wwritten down. "Good faith" does not count in the layer's view, right.
As written in one of the links, "first ordered first served maybe good for a butcher's business, but probably not when it comes to a worldwide cure against a pandemic".
I do not support the view that this is a EU and Astra-Zeneca thing alone.

Or, as written in one of the links:
"The rapid development of vaccines was possible because scientists shared knowledge, with Chinese researchers quickly publishing the genome sequence of the new coronavirus. The rest of us should learn to pull together, too."
We can discuss China's initial role and intention, but without publishing the genome sequence we would not have a vaccine.

Edit:
I am perfectly aware of the EU's or Germany's own blunders, bad enough, no exaggerations necessary :D

Catfish

01-31-21, 03:21 PM

Buddahaid

01-31-21, 03:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tJW0oD86KA

Skybird

01-31-21, 04:10 PM

But the EU's contract with AstraZeneca -- which Brussels published on Friday -- states that doses for the bloc could indeed come from a supply chain that includes UK-based plants. Equally, the UK is receiving doses from Europe as well -- a person familiar with the matter said that the UK is still receiving small numbers of vaccines made in European plants, and that its initial doses had come from Europe too.

See, this is where you - and others - imply wrong things. Namely that while the contract describes the option to use UK plants to deliver to the EU as well, this necessarily means that theymust even be used if their capacity already is used and reserved elsewise. But where is this said? As I read it, it is about the option if the option is available, not more. And obviously the UK plants are occupied with fullfilling AZ's obligations with the UK that have been signed months before.

The eU also tries to stirr emotions over that the UK paid a higher price at AZ, as if the EU has any claim that the UK must lower its chnaces and not pay more than the EU had paid in its order months later. Has it come to anyones mind in brussles that the UK maybe agreed to pay a higher price to secure certain benefits for that in return? For exampel that production capacities reserved for its treaty fulfillment cannot be distracted at the UK's expense to serve other customers?

The eu makes it appear as if that were "unfair". No it is not unfair, it is how a treaty gets negotiated, and the eu negotiated late, and bad, and now wants to distract from its own responsibility for that, accusing others for it sown failure. I remind of that a few weeks back the CEO of Biontech wondered in public about the EU havign been offered an additional treaty on additional delivery of doses - and additional means additonal to the existing trety plus its ioncldued option for an extension, an option that the eU had already pulled at that tiem and then used to publicly criticise the BionTech CEO and saying that the eU already had ordered additonally. That was a distortion of the facts. The EU had pulled that treaty option yes - but Biontech offered an additional treaty for even more, early January - and the eU rejected that. I assume the problem was that Biontech wanted to get paid and did not want to dolpeuver for free, and the EU did not want to "waste" money there. Chaotic. Dilettantic. Stupid. Irresponsible. How much money is beign wasted with the lockdown? 4 billion per week. No matter the price demanded by companies, it would still have been much cheaper to accept their prices.

Absurd, absurd, absurd. I posted several sources illustrating how absurd it is, haven't I. Even that EU expert said in that interview that the EU acted badly, and has already in the past laid the fundament for the weak vaccine production capacities in Europe by slashing budgets and driving talents and experts away.

Its a pattern with Super-Uschi. In her times as ministress, time and again it later came to light how badly the treaties she had to accept responsibility for, were designed, formulated, and how costly they were. Namely on external advisers, but also on topic-related issues in the Bundeswehr. But she made a big show of having installed cosmtics mirrors in locker doors for soldiers. That illustrates her puzzling priorities. She is always good for catchy slogans and posing before cameras, but not for deep thinking something through. A dazzler.

It should never have become a topic for the EU anyway, the EU is not responsible for national health policy. But merkel wanted to abuse the crisis to hammer another nail into the gallow for Europe and get the EU claiming more administrative powers for the wanted superstate EU. The thing backfired. I wish it would not just backfire, but explode.

The Greens in Germany now fantasize about nationalising pharmaceutical companies and put their production facilities directly under state command. Who said the GDR is a thing of the past? If I were a company owner olr entrepreneur, I would know what I would do next. Germany, and the eU, alkready has an undeniable brain drain. The fleeing of business competence will flee next. As a matter of fact it already has started.

skidman

01-31-21, 04:40 PM

And now this, an hour ago :hmmm:
(translation by Google)

The manufacturer Astrazeneca is now delivering more vaccine to the European Union in the first quarter than last announced. (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/covid-19-astrazeneca-liefert-der-eu-nun-doch-mehr-impfstoff.2932.de.html?drn:news_id%3D1222394)

Sounds good, but the whole matter is still fishy. AZ should put their cards on the table, that is: Publish reliable information on

- how many cans are produced at the moment and in near future

- how many units were promised to be delivered to the different contracting parties in this timeframe

As long as AZ refuses to make this information available I am not convinced the EU gets a fair share. And in case of an overriding public importance the company should be forced (by the UK government) to publish these data.

Buddahaid

01-31-21, 04:50 PM

Didn't I read they were not at liberty to do so by contract.

skidman

01-31-21, 05:20 PM

I honestly don't know, you might be right. I still wonder why a company that says they put their effort into development of the jab without commercial interest would not make it available in a fair and transparent manner.

AFAIK the WHO until now has purchased 40 million cans of different vaccines available. 40 million units for the poorest 4bn people on this planet. I'd like to see the EU offering a share of the cans delivered to us to third world countries at our expense.

Skybird

01-31-21, 08:50 PM

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/eu-kuendigte-zuvor-lieferstopp-an-impf-streit-mit-zwei-telefonaten-brachte-johnson-von-der-leyen-zum-einknicken_id_12929601.html

Vaccination dispute: Boris Johnson made von der Leyen collapse with two phone calls

On Friday the EU Commission announced that it would not export 3.5 million vaccine doses from Belgium to Great Britain. Prime Minister Boris Johnson reacted indignantly and quickly got Commission President Ursula von der Leyen to back down.

Boris Johnson apparently only needed two phone calls within 30 minutes to get EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen to withdraw the delivery stop of the corona vaccine to Great Britain.
The EU had previously announced that it would not export 3.5 million doses of Biontech / Pfizer's vaccine from Belgium (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/belgien/) to Great Britain - delivery across the inner-Irish border should also be prevented. On Friday evening, the commission published a document that is intended to regulate export controls on vaccines. It said that the EU could rely on an emergency mechanism in the Brexit agreement - Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol - to control whether and how much vaccine crosses the border from Ireland to British Northern Ireland.

Prime Minister Johnson then warned that such an export stop could endanger the fragile peace within Ireland and called an emergency meeting with his cabinet. Then he phoned von der Leyen. According to the British newspaper "Daily Mail" (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9205477/Boriss-double-vaccine-victory-EU.html) Johnson von der Leyen warned that by acting she risked denying millions of pensioners their second vaccination.

Half an hour later, von der Leyen finally gave in on the second phone call. The talks were "constructive", she wrote on Twitter. “We have agreed on the principle that there should be no restrictions on the export of vaccines by companies if they meet their contractual obligations,” von der Leyen continued.

According to the Daily Mail, the British government had already drawn up emergency plans before the talks to “break” any EU blockade. As part of a “vaccination safety maneuver”, developed from no-deal Brexit plans, the vaccination doses could have been flown from the EU to Great Britain in a kind of airlift.

Outrage over von der Leyen's original move was widespread across all political camps in Britain. Northern Ireland's Prime Minister Arlene Foster of the Protestant Unionist DUP even spoke of an “incredibly hostile and aggressive act”. The government in Dublin, which did not consult Brussels, was also angry. "It is as if they absolutely wanted to convince everyone who had voted to remain in the EU that Brexit was a good idea after all," a British news anchor summed up the mood. It didn't help that Brussels rowed back within hours.
Not only in Great Britain, doubts about the ability of the EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen were raised in the opinion columns. The German shot an “unforgettable Brexit own goal”, summarized the “Welt”, for example. The World Health Organization described the plans as "worrying".

Britain, on the other hand, posted a daily record of first vaccinations after Johnson's diplomatic victory: 600,000 Britons (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/england/) were vaccinated against the coronavirus (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/corona-virus/) on Saturday . The total number of vaccinations is now almost 9 million. For comparison: in Germany there are just a little more than 1.8 million and in other EU member states it hardly looks better.
Great Britain is impressively ahead with its vaccination campaign. Especially well ahead of the European Union. Last year, the government in London (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/london/) had to take criticism for not wanting to participate in the EU's joint procurement program. It is now being celebrated at home for it.
A legal position that clear and strong as the EU claims, does not collapse that easily and quickly. It also must not appeal to fairness. Treaties are not about fairness, but paragraphs included.

Skybird

02-01-21, 07:44 AM

The headlines in Germany become increasingly condemmning of the German dilletantism and the EU incompetence. And this across all the spectrum of papers. Thze failure of German and EU poltiicans is too mobvious. They messed it up, due to lack of realism and competence. Idiots at the helm means you receive orders to board a submarine not without parachutes.
But this time their disconnection from relait yis not just costing money. This time it kills lives.

But German minister Altmeier rightously said: "I cannot see we made any grave mistakes." Drop dead, mister.

https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/angespitzt/angespitzt-kolumne-von-ulrich-reitz-im-impf-drama-wird-eu-zum-ineffizienten-monster-kehrt-jetzt-der-nationalstaat-zurueck_id_12930981.html

In the vaccination drama, the EU becomes an "inefficient monster": is the national state now returning?

The contrasts couldn't be greater: Boris Johnson's Great Britain is vaccinated and wants to be "through" by the summer. On the other hand, Ursula von der Leyen's European Union, who, due to wrong decisions, ensures that an entire continent falls behind. Not much is left of the founding promise of the EU. We are experiencing: a gradual return of the national state.

It is always said now: After Corona (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/corona-virus/) nothing will be the same as it was before Corona. It can be. The only problem: you don't know - not when, not who, not where. But in the meantime it no longer seems impossible that, what should we call it, well - even the tectonics of the states in Europe could change. Right now we can literally watch the European Union lose confidence. People are looking more at their own governments again. They experience that “Brussels” can even be a dangerous place for them. Are we facing a return of the nation states?

Brexit: There could hardly have been a better justification than the European vaccination disaster

The contrast could hardly be greater. On the one hand the British nation-state. This - led by a charismatic prime minister who is often called "controversial" in Germany - vaccinates his population in a kind of national effort and can now proclaim: In the summer we will be "through". And on the other hand, the European Union, a collection of often divided countries, led by a kind of government that, due to wrong decisions, ensures that an entire continent is falling behind.

There could hardly have been a better justification for Brexit than the European vaccination disaster. If that is to be the expression of vaccination nationalism - apparently the British have done far better with it than the Europeans with their model of bureaucratic multilateralism. "We were, are and will be better off - outside of this clumsy, inefficient monster," commented the British "Mail on Sunday" venomously.

Late on Friday there was a showdown between the representatives of both systems - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Brussels Commission President Ursula von der Leyen. The Briton, "Brexit-Boris", needed two phone calls to fight the German European. The Brussels plan to stop the delivery of vaccines from Europe (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/europa/) to Great Britain and also to use the agreements on the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland was then off the table. Two arguments were enough for Johnson to reduce the Brussels ideas to stop the export of 3.5 million doses of the Biontech / Pfizer active ingredient from Belgium (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/belgien/) to absurdity.

Vaccination dispute with von der Leyen: It was Johnson's "Falkland moment"

Johnson asked whether Brussels was really interested in a flare-up in the Northern Ireland conflict. After all, that would be a kind of nuclear bomb. Second, the Brussels plan means that thousands of British pensioners cannot get their second vaccination. Whether Brussels really wants to take responsibility for a lot of dead. Von der Leyen didn't want to.

Conservative MPs later expressed their euphoria about Johnson's negotiation success: That was Johnson's “Falkland moment”. In 1982 Argentina occupied the Falkland Islands offshore but belonging to Great Britain. The Conservative British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher sent the Navy and expelled the Argentines (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/argentinien/) again. “Falklands” became another symbol of British national pride.

The dispute - the Commission in Brussels (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/bruessel/) led it to the point of a vaccination war - was triggered by the conflict between the European bureaucracy and the British-Swedish vaccine manufacturer Astrazeneca. The EU Commission finally published the contract with the company. It turned out that the clauses in the contract are by no means as hard and clear as von der Leyen and her health commissioner had claimed.

The contract speaks of “best reasonal efforts” 18 times, loosely translated as delivery to the best of our knowledge and belief. Waxy clauses. You look in vain for contractual penalties as well as for mandatory production capacities. Bild quotes the SPD health expert Karl Lauterbach as follows: “I am surprised that the EU has not secured any permanent production capacities in the Astrazeneca plants. The EU must renegotiate. "

Contracts signed too late: The same mistake as with Astrazeneca threatens the EU with Novavax

Bavaria's Prime Minister Markus Söder had previously complained: It could not be that pharmaceutical companies “can” lead the EU at its nose around in this way. They “can do” it, Söder alluded to, because the EU apparently concludes bad treaties. The same mistake as with Astrazeneca threatens with the next promising vaccine, the American Novavax. Although Novavax, together with the vaccine from Biontech / Pfizer and Moderna, was one of the most effective in the summer, the EU only signed contracts again late. Lauterbach tweeted: “The EU has the same problem here as with Moderna. Very strong US vaccine late / no contracts. "(Lauterbach must have been so angry that he apparently couldn't find time for punctuation marks ...)

As a reminder: In the spring, the mistrust of the EU Commission and its ability to procure enough vaccine on time was so great that four countries - Germany was one of them - formed a vaccination alliance. This called on other countries to protest against it. Finally, this four-party alliance was dissolved and the negotiations were transferred to the EU Commission, also under pressure from the German Chancellor and EU Commission President von der Leyen. From then on, a lot went wrong, as CSU boss Markus Söder points out as the only leading Union politician from the beginning until today.

Seehofer demands travel restrictions, Orban buys Sputnik V, Söder wants to reach out to Russians - is the EU capitulating?

The lack of a vaccine leads to a kind of lockdown yo-yo in Germany and to growing criticism of the federal government's vaccination strategy. We should once again remember the founding promise of the European Union: together, for the good of the people on the continent, we will certainly be able to achieve more than any individual state. Not much is left of this promise. We are experiencing: a gradual return of the nation state. Germany recently announced drastic travel restrictions - a national solo effort. Federal Minister of the Interior Horst Seehofer argued unexpectedly aggressively: After all, a European solution is not to be expected on this issue.

Hungarian (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/ungarn/) Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who enjoys a kind of pariah status in Brussels, single-handedly bought vaccine from the Russians and the Chinese. Their vaccines are not approved in the European Union, which Orban - Hungary is a member of the EU - did not prevent this step. Also, Serbia (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/serbien/) - not an EU member - did not want to leave at EU and UN commitments - and bought one with the Russians Sputnik and the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine. Serbia is currently the European vaccination champion.

The amalgamation of states is lagging behind, nation states are doing better. In the meantime, the first German top politician has called for Russians and Chinese to be approached when they are in need of vaccinations: Markus Söder. This would be tantamount to capitulating the European Union. But as Söder says, as simple as it is brutal: The results are decisive.

Jimbuna

02-01-21, 09:26 AM

Door-to-door testing for the South African coronavirus variant is to start in Surrey after cases with no known links to travel or previous cases were found.

A coronavirus vaccine has now been offered to residents at every eligible care home in England, the NHS says.

PM Boris Johnson says it’s a "crucial milestone" as a government target to vaccinate the most vulnerable people looms.

It aims to offer jabs to 15 million people by 15 February - those aged 70 and over, healthcare workers and people required to shield.

Captain Sir Tom Moore, who raised millions for the NHS, is in hospital after testing positive for Covid.

Drug firm AstraZeneca will now supply an extra nine million vaccine doses to the EU by March, the bloc says.

The 40m doses now expected for the EU are still only about half of what had been hoped, amid continuing supply problems.

Globally, 102 million Covid cases have been recorded and 2.2 million people have died with the virus, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

02-01-21, 09:40 AM

The European Commission has acknowledged it made a mistake when it triggered an emergency provision in the Brexit deal to block Covid-19 vaccine exports to the UK.

“Only the Pope is infallible,” Eric Mamer, the chief spokesman for commission President Ursula von der Leyen, says.

The important thing, he adds, is that the error was “quickly rectified”.

The EU reversed its decision to invoke Article 16 of the Brexit agreement hours after it was announced, following condemnation from London, Dublin and Belfast.

The move could have seen checks at the border of Ireland and Northern Ireland to prevent shipments entering the UK.

The plans had been part of the EU's new export controls on vaccines, to combat delivery shortfalls.

The plans were made after AstraZeneca, citing production problems, said there would be a shortfall in vaccine deliveries to the EU.

France has been unusually critical - some would say defensive - about the vaccination programme unrolling across the Channel.

The UK has vaccinated almost nine million people. France fewer than 1.5 million - and it has scaled back its target this month, because of delays in vaccine deliveries.

Those delays have only increased the pressure felt in Brussels and other European capitals to explain why the picture looks so different in the UK.

So, was the UK’s early vaccination success an advert for Brexit?

Not at all, France’s Europe minister said in response to the question on the radio this morning.

The UK government was vaccinating more people because it was taking “a lot of risks” in spreading out the two jabs and in using the vaccine for older people; risks, he said, that the French government and French people would not want to take.

Even President Macron weighed in last week with his own doubts about the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the over 65s, suggesting other vaccines seemed to perform better.

Amid frustration over disrupted supplies, and accusations of sour grapes, a lot is hanging on what France’s own medical authority will say about the AstraZeneca vaccine on Tuesday.

In Hungary, bars and restaurants say they intend to defy the Covid lockdown and reopen today. There will also be a protest march in Budapest.

Pakistan has received its first tranche of coronavirus vaccines, with the arrival of a donation of 500,000 doses, produced by the Chinese state-owned company Sinopharm.

South Africa, public patience over a lockdown aimed at curbing the spread of coronavirus seems to be fraying.

Over the weekend, scores of people protested at beaches in Cape Town, calling for them to be re-opened.

The organisers accused the government of “being unconstitutional” for closing the beaches.

Law-enforcement officers dispersed the crowds but did not make any arrests.

Jimbuna

02-01-21, 09:43 AM

The UK has ordered an extra 40 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine from the French pharmaceutical company Valneva, that should become available later in the year and into 2022.

The government says it will give some flexibility should people need re-vaccinating next winter or beyond.

The UK has secured 407 million doses of different coronavirus vaccines - more than enough for the entire population.

Valneva's jab is still being tested in trials.

Although those will take time to satisfy regulators before it can be rolled out, manufacturing at a site in West Lothian, Scotland, has already begun.

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ikalugin

02-01-21, 11:08 AM

I am not sure if the data for Russia is current, but it is unclear how many people have already been vaccinated sadly.

Skybird

02-01-21, 11:16 AM

The criminal lawyer Volker Erb calls for an export ban on vaccine doses made in Germany. Otherwise, the Mainz professor writes in an expert report, the responsible politicians could commit manslaughter by omission. Volker Erb hesitated for a long time to make his legal expertise on the corona crisis public. The 56-year-old is a legal scholar and holds the Chair of Criminal Law and Criminal Procedure Law at Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz. His list of publications is extensive; He is co-editor of major commentaries on the Criminal Code and the Code of Criminal Procedure, so he has a reputation to lose. The professor does not want to be instrumentalized politically - especially not by forces who doubt the danger of the Covid-19 virus. On the other hand, he also feels it is his responsibility to bring his point of view as a criminal lawyer into the debate. So at the beginning of the year he first wrote a letter addressed to the Chancellery and the Federal Ministry of Health. An expert opinion was attached in which Erb pointed out to the federal government that their approach to obtaining vaccines could possibly be punishable. To this day he has not received an answer.

- Die Welt, limited access. The above is not the full article. -

Jimbuna

02-01-21, 02:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JfprsycKsc

Platapus

02-02-21, 07:19 AM

Jimbuna

02-02-21, 08:43 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv1wHLH8wts

Jimbuna

02-02-21, 08:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldFRt-i3QzY

Jimbuna

02-02-21, 08:53 AM

A door-to-door testing blitz is under way in what the health secretary calls a bid to find "every single case" of the variant in England.

Matt Hancock is updating MPs after 105 cases of the South African coronavirus variant are found in the UK

Meanwhile, the Kent variant appears to be undergoing some worrying new genetic changes, say scientists.

Interest on student loans in England should be scrapped for 15 months to cover lockdown periods, a group of universities says.

Captain Sir Tom Moore's family are with him in hospital after the 100-year-old fundraiser was admitted with coronavirus.

An online memorial to commemorate Indian victims of Covid-19 is launched by a group of doctors and social workers.

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Jimbuna

02-02-21, 08:55 AM

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has defended the EU’s vaccine strategy insisting it's at the beginning of “a marathon”. Under fire for her handling of the AstraZeneca row last week, she says the EU has made a “good choice” of vaccines and is on track to get 70% of Europeans vaccinated by the summer. “It is true that other countries started earlier, but we preferred safety to shortcuts,” she told La Repubblica.

Germany’s Angela Merkel has also defended the EU’s approach on approving vaccines: “True the path was slower, but I think we had good reasons for it to be slower”. German health authorities have reported a slight fall in cases per 100,000 people to 90. Another 6,114 cases have been reported in the past 24 hours.

Austrians will be able to relax their lockdown on 8 February but under strict conditions that require the wearing of FFP2 masks in shops. Museums, hairdressers and zoos will be allowed to reopen. Schools in some areas will be allowed to reopen with regular Covid testing.

Denmark will also start reopening schools for the youngest children up to Year 4 from next Monday, although officials are prepared for an increase in cases. They’ve been out of class since 21 December.

Latest infection figures from Spain show the first fall in weekend cases since the start of December, down below 80,000 new cases. There’s been a slight fall in incidence rate to 865 per 100,000 people.

There's bad news for ski enthusiasts in France. Ski lifts won’t be starting up in February because of the pandemic. The government has promised to maintain state aid for resorts – but other winter activities that don’t require the ski-lifts are still allowed.

Rockstar

02-02-21, 10:18 AM

Catlin Doughty, hosts a YouTube channel called "Ask a Mortician". Normally her videos are educational, entertaining, and rather funny. I recommend checking out her channel.

However, this video is not funny. In this video she is discussing the impact of COVID-19 from the mortuary industry viewpoint. It is not a happy video and you can tell that she is barely able to keep her emotions under control. She does get a little preachy concerning the California/LA government, but I can't say that I disagree about what she is saying.

It is an interesting viewpoint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE

$4,000 for cremation just what the hell causes that kind of price? I know for a fact cremation in Florida the price at a reputable funeral home ranges from $1100 to $1400. Maybe more big government will help huh? I heard they had 60 million surplus for just such contingencies anyone have an idea where that 60 million dollars went? California :roll:

Platapus

02-02-21, 11:07 AM

Jimbuna

02-02-21, 11:11 AM

Captain Sir Tom Moore has lost his fight with this bloody awful virus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881753

RIP Sir

Rockstar

02-02-21, 11:23 AM

I assume that the price goes up when the demand for funerals increases more than the supply can handle. Capitalism.

Generally speaking you can get a simple cremation for about a grand and often a little lower.

The key, of course, is to shop around which few people feel comfortable doing in these situations.

It was awkward when my father died suddenly. The fact that the funeral director was trying to up sell did not help. :mad:

I'm sorry to hear of your experience.

The cremation in Florida was last October impacts from COVID were already having an effect there as well. Fortunately the person who answered at the first funeral home called was everything one could hope for. All the cost plans were made available each explained, no pressure. Just call back with a decision and they would handle it from there. Like putting it on autopilot.

Buddahaid

02-02-21, 11:26 AM

Captain Sir Tom Moore has lost his fight with this bloody awful virus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881753

RIP Sir

RIP Sir Moore.

Platapus

02-02-21, 11:50 AM

Mortuaries are for profit businesses so on one hand I can't blame them for trying to make a larger profit.

It is the fact that they are trying to make a profit off of the grief of people is what I struggle with.

When I was a youngling, I was thinking of becoming a mortician, but when I read some books on it, especially "The American Way of Death" by Mitford and after talking with a mortician I worked for one summer, I found that the selling aspect of the business was not for me.

(edit: anyone know why my posts always seem to have extra line feeds? They look good when I write them)

Catfish

02-02-21, 03:53 PM

I heard about Sir Tom Moore a few hours ago. While a hundred years is a ripe age, very sad to hear this. He did some good things in his life. May you rest in peace.

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This, this and this. Been saying this since years. Edit and re-edit and again, to erase obvious invisible hard returns, and make proper one-line paragraphs.. no idea what causes this

vienna

02-02-21, 04:04 PM

Since no one else ever reported the "extra line" effect before, I just presumed it was something to do with my machine and/or its software; I've been dealing with the same problem for a very long time, having to do at least two "Preview Post" iterations, one to remove the extra lines, and a second to affirm the extras are, indeed, gone; I wonder just how widespread the issue really is... :hmmm:

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Platapus

02-02-21, 05:40 PM

Glad it is not just me

Skybird

02-02-21, 06:13 PM

Sorry to hear about your story, Platapus, it reminds me of something I experienced thirty years ago. I understand these kind fo feelings and doubts. And I am still angry.

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German media said today that swcientists proved that B.117 has mutated again and that that mutation lowers the efficiency of the existing vaccines.

Germany chief virologist Drosten already a week ago warned of that the more we vaccinate, the more and the earlier mutations there will be.

Skybird

02-02-21, 08:40 PM

While more and more concerns about the latest mutation of the British B.117 strain get voiced, Russia has a study in The Lancet with a phase-3 trial and 20000 people, rating the efficiency of Sputnik-V with 91.6%. Thats a very good value, comparable to the Moderna and Biontech/Pfizer jabs.

Germany establishes a two-class vaccination regime. The expensive but more efficient Moderna and Pfizer-Biontech vaccines shall be reserved for the elder, the less efficient but cheaper AZ jabs should be given to the masses.

Interesting where they do not count billions that they throw out the window, and where they count millions as if these were what makes the whole desaster expensive.

And a cold-blooded rational: is it really sensible to give the best and most expensive ressources to people who are older than 80 and who have lived their lives, and leaving younger people who still do work and have relevant functions to fulfill, to cheaper, less efficient vaccines? Shouldn't it be the other way around? We know sopcieties where the elder, when they become a burden for the tribe's ongoing trek, were left behind, or voluntarily moved out for their last trip, into the wilderness, onto the ice, whatever. When the best ressources are left for the used and overaged and weakest and unproductive - what ressources then support the future chances of a society in form of active, younger, "system-relevant" people?

Sorry, but I think these sort of questions are relevant, and must be asked. Maximum moralising absolutes do not solve the dilemma there.

Heck, my mother was it who raised this quesiton in our family. She's 72, my father is 76 and agrees. And yes, I would terirbly miss them if somehtign ahppens to them. But that does not change the relevance of the question asked.

What I have no unbderstandinf ro is that the Germans want to vaccinate their hospital staff too with just the inferior vaccine. While many of that staff refuse to get iunjected the AZ vaccine, and insist in getting the more efficjent, expensive ones, since they have to face the lion's share of the risk and burden.

My priorities look slightly different. I refuse to prefer the cheaper but less efficient vaccine for monetarian reasons - not with billions of Euros readly being wasted like crazy. Compared to that, the costs for the vaccines are peanuts. A prioritizing is only acceptable in the time of lacking supplies in vaccines. And then the doctors, hospital nurses, nurses for the elder, must get prioritized, next kindergarden personnel and school teachers. Also parents with kids, at least the mum or dad bringing home the biggest part of the household income.

I'm sorry to say, but the elder have no priority for me. Ecopnomically, they are ballast, thats bitter to sak,y but thats how it is. The mums and dads and nurses and dcotors and policemen and fiorefighters all are more relevant and important for the survival of a society. As long as there is not sufficient amounts of the best vaccines, they must take the second-best vaccine only. The better protection is needed elsewhere. So that kids m,ust not grow up in poverty or without a parent, since the mum or dad died form Covid. The fight is fought by the health system staff. And they should get the best protection available, for they take the highest risks. Fear sits on their shoulders every damn hour of their shifts. And they could spread easier than many others.

Skybird

02-03-21, 07:04 AM

Super-Uschi continues to do what she has always excelled in throughout her whole career: blaming others for her own failures.

Von der Leyen makes a serious mistake - and is now blaming colleagues for it.

Ursula von der Leyen does not cut a good figure in the vaccination disaster in the EU. Now she is apparently resorting to an old method: passing on her own mistakes to others. Because their latest faux pas is supposed to be blamed on a completely different one.

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen tries to blame her Foreign Trade Commissioner Valdis Dombrovskis for a serious mistake. This is reported by the "Spiegel" (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/irland-panne-bei-impfstoff-exportkontrollen-ursula-von-der-leyen-gibt-valdis-dombrovskis-schuld-a-196346b4-1e45-4765-86b2-41eb173e20ea) . For the latest farce in the vaccination disaster, von der Leyen could not do anything, a commission spokesman said on Monday. "This regulation is the responsibility of Mr Dombrovskis and his cabinet and of course the Commission services who work for him," the spokesman said.

It was about the controversial regulation from the weekend, according to which the EU Commission wanted to oblige pharmaceutical companies to register the export of vaccines. The EU blocked the export of vaccine from Belgium (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/belgien/) to Great Britain. This angered Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who made von der Leyen collapse in two urgent phone calls. Johnson was especially angry because a first draft regulation gave the impression that there should be controls again at the Irish-Northern Irish border for export controls. On the outer edge of the EU where the Brexit deal almost failed.

The decision is said to have been made in von der Leyen's closest circle of power

Von der Leyen rowed back after the phone call with Johnson. And then had Dombrovskis accused. But as the "Spiegel" reports, the real situation is different. On the one hand, Dombrovskis, of all people, is a strict opponent of such trade restrictions. Second, the export mechanism was driven by von der Leyen's team.

Particularly explosive: According to "Spiegel", it was von der Leyen's team that inserted the "protective measures from the Northern Ireland Protocol" into the regulation. The decision is said to have come directly from von der Leyen's closest circle of power.

"Rule number one: never publicly blame your team"

The fact that von der Leyen is now pushing the blame away does not go down well overall. The CDU MEP Elmar Brok says, for example, that no one has any experience with Corona (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/corona-virus/) . "This is why mistakes are made for which the Commission President should also take responsibility." It should not "fall into old patterns", said Brok - an allusion to earlier incidents of this kind.

And the former Finnish (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/finnland/) Prime Minister Alexander Stubb is also not very amused: "Rule number one for every manager: If your authority makes a mistake, never publicly blame your team. If the **** hits the fan, you take it on yourself."

And von der Leyen? According to "Spiegel", she was internally "contrite". The Ireland-Northern Ireland paragraph should never have appeared in the regulation. Publicly, however, there was nothing new about the latest accusations.

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/impf-desaster-von-der-leyen-begeht-schweren-fehler-und-schiebt-ihn-jetzt-kollegen-in-die-schuhe_id_12938568.html

In the end she is just an empty-headed girly who only rose in politics due to her father's political legacy, who had a great name and was a ministre president.
Not having a lot in her head, but she compensates that with an expensive coiffeur. Oh how much I love her.

Skybird

02-03-21, 07:29 AM

Astrazeneca's vaccine apparently not only protects against the disease itself, but also to a large extent against the spread of the virus. This was the result of a study by the University of Oxford. The vaccine offers 76 percent protection against the transmission of the virus, they say. After taking the second dose after three months, the protection increases to 82.4 percent. In 67 percent of the cases examined, fewer positive smears were taken than before taking the vaccine. The question of whether or not vaccinated people can pass the virus on is an important issue when considering herd immunity. The better the protection, the fewer vaccinated people are needed to achieve this herd immunity.

Rockstar

02-03-21, 08:05 AM

Moonlight

02-03-21, 08:25 AM

Skybird

02-03-21, 08:55 AM

Catfish

02-03-21, 09:12 AM

If I would have the choice, i probably currently would prefer Sputnik-V for myself.
Why? How old again were you? :D

I'm sorry to say, but the elder have no priority for me. Ecopnomically, they are ballast, thats bitter to sak,y but thats how it is.

Skybird

02-03-21, 09:28 AM

Hm...? I'm about to become 54, and I have no choice anyway, and if it is up to our politicians, we will never have a choice on vaccines anyway. The all-wise party will decide it for us.

Jimbuna

02-03-21, 12:14 PM

Ten million people have now received their first dose of the Covid vaccine, says the health secretary.

A further 1,322 people have died in the UK within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is to lead a Downing Street briefing at 17:00 GMT

He will then lead a "national clap" for Captain Sir Tom Moore, who died yesterday aged 100, and health workers at 18:00 GMT

A vaccine to tackle Covid-19 variants could be ready to deploy by the autumn, the team behind the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine says.

The film Contagion inspired UK's vaccine strategy, Health Secretary Matt Hancock tells LBC

A significant number of players competing in the Australian Open are told to self-isolate, after a hotel quarantine worker tests positive.

People should not sing or chant at the Tokyo Olympic Games in July, officials say in new guidelines.

Jimbuna

02-03-21, 12:16 PM

Average for cases, deaths and hospital numbers in UK all down
The government's daily coronavirus figures suggest cases, deaths and hospital numbers are all falling in the UK.

These are the following seven-day averages for each category - in comparison with the week before:

Cases: 156,771 - down 52,530 (-25.1%)

Deaths: 7,448 - down 1,149 (-13.4%)

Patients admitted to hospital: 20,946 - down 5,990 (-22.2%)

Jimbuna

02-03-21, 12:27 PM

The French media is asking questions about why a French pharma firm has promised 100 million doses of its in-development Covid vaccine to the UK, when not a single order has yet been placed by France or the EU.

The Franco-Austrian Valneva - based near Nantes - has had substantial UK government financial aid of £14m to scale up its production site at Livingston in Scotland.

It also had UK help to roll out phase one and two trials of its viral vector vaccine. Results of these are due in the coming weeks and it’s hoped production could start in late summer.

Valneva director general Franck Grimaud said on BFMTV: "When we announced that we were developing our vaccine last April, we contacted several governments and institutions. It was the UK which was the first to give a comprehensive response, and we signed a pre-accord with them in July."

"It’s a failure for France. It hurts to see this beautiful business taking off for the UK," says Christelle Morancais, president of the Pays de la Loire region, who says she alerted the French government last June. "This company had solutions. [French President Emmanuel] Macron says we are at war - well in war you need different methods from our bureaucratic, technocratic form-filling."

Les Echos financial daily says: "Why has the French government not expressed interest in the Valneva project, leaving it to the British government to offer financial support and - logically therefore - reap the benefits a privileged partner?"

Jimbuna

02-03-21, 12:29 PM

A 26-strong German military medical team arrives in Lisbon today to help alleviate the Covid bed crisis in Portugal's hospitals. They’re also bringing medical equipment including ventilators – Portugal has over 850 patients in intensive care. Some patients could be flown to Austria for treatment.

French President Emmanuel Macron says anyone in France who wants to be vaccinated will have a jab by the end of the summer. He’s also promised 80% of care home residents will be inoculated by early next month.

France is among several European countries whose health authorities have recommended the AstraZeneca drug should not be given to older people. Germany, Austria and Sweden have all limited it for over-65s, Poland for over-60s and Belgium for over-55s.

Italy is grappling with a Covid and an economic crisis so President Sergio Mattarella is set to ask the man credited with steering Europe through the eurozone crisis, Mario Draghi, to take over as prime minister. He’ll formally ask the former head of the European Central Bank at lunchtime to try to form a national unity government in an attempt to avoid early elections.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted last night that it “rankles” that the UK, US and Israel are moving faster than EU countries in vaccinating their populations but said nothing had gone wrong with the EU’s procurement of vaccines. Germany will vaccinate 10 million people by the end of March, she told German TV, and she’s urged Germans to "hold on a while longer”.

The Dutch lockdown has been extended until 2 March but Prime Minister Mark Rutte has confirmed that primary schools and childcare facilities will reopen next Monday. A decision on extending a 21:00 curfew has been delayed.

Jimbuna

02-03-21, 12:39 PM

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ikalugin

02-03-21, 01:37 PM

I heard the AstraZeneca and SputnikV vaccine are different from the mRNA vaccines. They use an Adenovirus delivery system. Now, what exactly does that mean I'm not all that sure lol. But it is something that has been around and tried on the human body for many many years. So we're confident there will be no adverse side effects years later.

The mRNA vaccines such Moderna and Pfzer use a newer lipid nanoparticle delivery system. It is just as effective, and it can be modified and developed faster. Now nobody is expecting any long term problems, but because it is so new we dont know yet exactly what, if any, the effects will be seven ten years down the road.

Only time will tell if buddahaid will grow a third big toe from his forehead.
To be fair there is only limited experience with the actual vector based vaccines as well.

Sputnik-V compares to the principles behind the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, but it is as effective as the mRNA vaccines by Biontech/Pfizer and Moderna, while not being as sensitive to temperature. So it takes all what is positive and avoids all what is negative. Also, it costs less than half the price for the mRNA vaccines, and is moderately more expensive thna the AZ vaccine (German media mentioin a price tag of below 10 coins). That makes the Russian vaccine a real good candidate, as I understand it. The Russians have a real hot iron in the fire. We need to know about their production capacities, however.

China and Russia dleiver a race with their campaigns on the Balkans. The Balkans, the EU's backyard, so to speak. The EU must sit and watch, impotent to do anything. :haha:

If I would have the choice, i probably currently would prefer Sputnik-V for myself.
mRNA is more advanced in some ways and I believe is not vulnerable to the problem that the vector based vaccines may experience - the immunity to the vector virus.

Moreover it, in my understanding, does not provide the same side effects (moderate fever etc). So it is not a perfect solution either sadly.

Why? How old again were you? :D
One of the advantages of Sputnik is that it uses two separate vector viruses (AD-26 and AD-5) to minimise the risk of immunity to the vector, which can be not insignificant, particularly for the older people. My anecdotal experience with Sputnik-V, so far, has been ok.

Jimbuna

02-03-21, 01:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1CLButseKM

Skybird

02-03-21, 03:20 PM

People should not sing or chant at the Tokyo Olympic Games in July, officials say in new guidelines.
That display of collective stupidity should not even take place in the first. Corrupt high-handed IOC fat cats own enough money already, they must not assist in launching another global wave of Covid-19 just to fill more gold into their sacks.

And if it gets carried out nevertheless, there should be no international tourism and no audience, and certainly no TV broadcasting: to make Japan pay for this criminal display of arrogance. I see a real chance there: to slay the dragon of over-commercilaised Olympics and biog business abusing sports and biog money corrupting the spirit of it, and instead starting new, and smaller, and ideal-focussed.

Too big. Too much. Too costly. Too much of everything. And I am sick of needing to pay for it by my mandatory German TV taxes.

Skybird

02-03-21, 08:30 PM

For the time being, switzerland does not approve the AstraZeneca vaccine. The methodological flaws in the earlier studies seem to backfire against the company. The Swiss want to wait for results from still running studies.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.nzz.ch/wissenschaft/die-swissmedic-laesst-den-impfstoff-von-astrazeneca-vorerst-nicht-zu-ld.1599782

Before, Germany and some other countries refused to allow the vaccine for over 65 year old, again quoting lacking data, and also a claimed apparent lack of efficiency in older people.

During early phase 1 and 2 trials, the vaccine caused serious sideeffects in up to a quarter of patients, sewriosu enough that the trials were interrupted and some probands beign in seriosu troubles, which the media did almost not report at all and that were ignored by politicians.

These assessments of crticial nations are in stark contrast to latest celebrations of the vaccine by latest British data published in The Lancet .

Switzerland mostly ordered the Moderna vaccine. The Biontech Pfizer vaccine does not play a big role in the Swiss vaccination strategy.

AZ claims its vaccine not only protects the vaccinated, but also significantly interrupts the spreading of the virus by vaccinated people who do not get ill themselves anymore, but still can infect others.

In Manaus, Brazil, the hefty dimension of the second wave raises doubt son the optimsim scinetists hold over possible herd immunity. In the firts wave, up to three quarter sof people got the vorus and formed antibody reactions. But during the second wave, even more people got serious ill and died. Severla theories why this is so are being debated, no general consensus has been reached so far.

Skybird

02-04-21, 07:38 AM

A history lesson.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.welt.de/geschichte/article225680123/Vor-Sputnik-V-Als-die-DDR-dem-Westen-sowjetischen-Impfstoff-anbot.html

Its always political, too.

Jimbuna

02-04-21, 07:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6FKi8aAsA

Jimbuna

02-04-21, 07:52 AM

A UK trial has launched to see if giving people different Covid vaccines for first and second doses works as well as giving them the same one twice.

People's immune response "could be enhanced" by combining the vaccines, England's deputy chief medical officer, Prof Jonathan Van-Tam, says.

More than 10 million people in the UK have now received a first dose of a coronavirus vaccine.

The Australian Open boss says he is confident the tennis tournament will start on Monday, despite 160 players awaiting Covid tests results.

The number of patients waiting over an hour to transfer from ambulance teams to A&E staff in England falls to its lowest level this winter.

International travel had the biggest impact on death rates for countries hit in the pandemic's first wave, an Aberdeen University study has found.

Globally, there have now been more than 104 million Covid cases, and more than 2.2 million deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

02-04-21, 08:00 AM

Portugal’s surge in Covid cases is continuing, with another 9,000 cases in 24 hours and the number of patients in hospital rising to 6,684. Hospital beds in some areas are running out and German medics have arrived to help out, as our report from Lisbon explains.

Denmark is planning to introduce a “digital corona passport” as a proof of vaccination. Swedish ministers are keen on the idea too – with the aim of helping to reopen society and kick-start business. But should it mean that unvaccinated Danes can’t go into cafes and restaurants? One opinion poll says 31% of Danes don’t think so.

Norway’s health authority has become the latest in Europe not to recommend the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine for over-65s. Health authorities in Germany, Austria, France and elsewhere have already imposed restrictions even though the EU's health authority has approved the drug, so what is the evidence? Our Reality Check team report here.

Germany’s ruling parties have agreed a package of new financial aid measures. There’ll be a one-off €150 (£130) bonus to child benefit, extra money for culture and the restaurant sector will have a cut on sales tax extended until the end of the year.

Delays to Covid vaccinations could cost the EU’s economy €90bn this year if it fails to catch up with vaccination programmes, according to a study by credit insurer Euler Hermes. Every euro invested would save €4 in losses due to current restrictions, it says.

French PM Jean Castex is not expected to announce another lockdown in his latest press conference this evening. But an opinion poll suggests as many as 55% want a hard lockdown, and young people are more keen on it than over-65s.

Jimbuna

02-04-21, 09:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXFhIXfnR3A

Jimbuna

02-04-21, 02:14 PM

The UK is "getting safer every day" as more people get coronavirus jabs, vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi says.

Almost 10.5 million people in the UK have now received a first dose of a coronavirus vaccine.

But a further 915 people have died within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test in the UK

The UK's rapid Covid-19 vaccination programme will help the economy rebound strongly this year, the Bank of England says.

A UK trial has launched to see if giving people different Covid vaccines for first and second doses works as well as giving them the same one twice.

The Australian Open boss says he is confident the tennis tournament will start on Monday, despite 160 players awaiting Covid tests results.

The number of patients waiting over an hour to transfer from ambulance teams to A&E staff in England falls to its lowest level this winter.

Jimbuna

02-04-21, 02:19 PM

A further 20,634 people have tested positive for coronavirus in the UK, according to government figures.

That's slightly higher than Wednesday's daily total of 19,202.

A further 915 people have died within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test in the UK, the government's daily figures show.

It brings the total number of people to die within 28 days of a positive Covid test to 110,250.

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Skybird

02-05-21, 07:53 AM

With the roll-out of Android 11, the use of the German Corona app becomes acceptable again.

The app is pretty useless, but on the other hand it does no harm, so - why not.

Some years ago, Google had ruled, without technical need!, that Bluetooth LE (low energy, a different protocol than normal Bluetooth) could only be operated when switching on localization as well. Since Corona apps use Bluetooth LE, you had to accept that Google tracked you and could establish movement profiles of you. Google, not the Corona app.

In the recent Android update, Google has uncoupled these two things, localiser and Bluetooth LE again. Its sufficient now to just switch on Bluetooth to have the Corona app doign whatiti should: detect other Bluetooth LE radiations in its vicinity and compare them to an anonymized database with infected Bluetooth users. Active localizer "service" is no longer needed (and why should it be).

People like me, who switch off both mobile internet and WLAN before taking the smartphone out with them (if I take it with me, that is...), count this as a biggie. For the same reason I do not use Google maps, since it almost forces you to be online and thus trackable by Google. I use a passive navigation app with just passive GPS instead, and a set of maps stored on the device indefinitely and without time limit. (Google Map makes it intentionaly complicated to store a small map, and if you have not used it for some days, it gets deleted again. Google does all it can to make you agreeing to be tracked by them).

Not that the German Corona app is of much use. Mostly it apparently is not. But even just a small number of "events" being avoided may be worth it - if you would, have been one of those "events". Just how the app should help ina vpoiding that, is beyond me. for the user gets no constructive information from it . As much as I favour protection of privacy and personal data - with this app they have exaggerated it (and with many other thigns as well). Happens often now that they exaggerate these things. No healthy reason, no sense of proportion, but then: too many dubious manouvers by both industries and lawmakers alike.

Moonlight

02-05-21, 10:38 AM

A gentleman 3 doors down from me was taken to hospital yesterday evening with china virus symptoms, our 50 bungalow complex has been locked down like fort knox since.
I can't blame the authorities for taking such stringent measures as the oldest resident is a 103 yrs old, no visitors are allowed in the complex grounds for at least a fortnight, this yellow peril is getting closer and closer. :o

Bloody Hell! second China Virus case has been confirmed today by the manageress of the complex. By all accounts the first person has recently had 3 or 4 hospital appointments so its likely that's where its come from. He was the errand boy for some residents so their might be some other cases in the next day or two, lets hope not as 2 is more than enough. :o

Skybird

02-05-21, 11:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXFhIXfnR3A
Lets get this clear. Johnson and Johnson have plants in Europe producing the vaccine, but they have insisted that the vaccine must be send to the US for filling it in flasks, making it vulnerable to be confiscated by the US for own use. We have had FFP2 mask wars already, and very shady, dubious night-and-fog methods by Americna buyers beign used to hijack deliveries for another customer right at the Chinese factory gate. Europeans, namely Germans send a letter. america send men with suitcases full of banknotes.

But the EU signed this "deal".

The EU signed it.

Wie kann man so scheißdämlich sein. :har:

I do not accuse the Americans, not back then and not now, they do what is needed to secure their interests. I accuse the EU for being irresponsibly naive and stupid.

So much stupidity defies every description. :shucks:

AVGWarhawk

02-05-21, 12:12 PM

AVGWarhawk

02-05-21, 12:39 PM

When will this pandemic end? How many of my friends have died and how many have lost their jobs, including me. A very difficult time in fact

It ends when we learn to live with the virus. Similar to the way we live with the flu virus.

Skybird

02-05-21, 01:27 PM

Listening to the news, it is reported the vaccine does not prevent one from getting COVID-19. The vaccine helps in eradicating it from the body faster. The symptoms are much reduces. However, a vaccinated individual can still be infected with COVID-19 and spread to others. A mask must still be worn. Some vaccinated could still feel the full effects of the virus anyway.

I'm wondering, why the urgency for a vaccine that helps some but appears to not help very much. :hmmm:
There is not one vaccine, but severla ones, and the AZ vaccine reduces the transmission of the disease by I think 70% or somethign in that range, means: most vaccinated persons not showing symptoms also do not infect others.

If you wonder why these vaccines that "help not much" are needed, then you have still not understood what currently is taking place in emergency rooms and ICUs all around the world, nor are you aware of the follow-up conseqeunces from suffocating corona cases blcking capacities that are missing for other ill people who have treatments and operations and evben diagnosis delayed. What have you done the past 12 months? Exploration tours on the moon?

mapuc

02-05-21, 01:53 PM

Lets get this clear. Johnson and Johnson have plants in Europe producing the vaccine, but they have insisted that the vaccine must be send to the US for filling it in flasks, making it vulnerable to be confiscated by the US for own use. We have had FFP2 mask wars already, and very shady, dubious night-and-fog methods by Americna buyers beign used to hijack deliveries for another customer right at the Chinese factory gate. Europeans, namely Germans send a letter. america send men with suitcases full of banknotes.

But the EU signed this "deal".

The EU signed it.

Wie kann man so scheißdämlich sein. :har:

I do not accuse the Americans, not back then and not now, they do what is needed to secure their interests. I accuse the EU for being irresponsibly naive and stupid.

So much stupidity defies every description. :shucks:

Are you telling us, that if EU was a person, s/he was to be taken to a lunatic farm ?

Markus

Jimbuna

02-05-21, 02:17 PM

Are you telling us, that if EU was a person, s/he was to be taken to a lunatic farm ?

Markus

I reckon he may well be :)

Jimbuna

02-05-21, 02:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUChUg3rBPg

Jimbuna

02-05-21, 02:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_EQbDHQN88

Jimbuna

02-05-21, 02:23 PM

Levels of the virus are showing clear signs of coming down throughout most of the UK, ONS figures show.

The UK's reproduction or R number is estimated to be between 0.7 and 1

A further 1,014 people have died within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test in the UK, Friday's figures show.

Another 19,114 cases were reported, plus another 480,560 first vaccine jabs.

All adults aged 50 and over should receive a coronavirus vaccine by May, Downing Street says.

Vaccines being used in the UK are extremely safe, with mild expected side-effects, the drugs regulator says.

Thousands of hotel rooms are being block-booked by the UK government to support new Covid quarantine rules for travellers returning from 33 countries from 15 February.

Labour says the move is "too little, too late" as it will come into force more than 50 days after the South African variant was found.

The UK government should avoid "setting dates" for when to lift lockdown and instead react to changing circumstances, a top scientist says.

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Jimbuna

02-05-21, 02:29 PM

The head of the European branch of the World Health Organization Hans Kluge has urged pharmaceutical companies and Europe to work together to “join efforts to drastically increase production capacity" after a slow start to vaccination campaigns across the EU. Drug deliveries across the EU have been hit by delays. Mr Kluge is also worried about the impact of Covid variants on vaccine efficacy.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has admitted that the EU could have acted faster in procuring vaccines for the 27 member states in the bloc. She’s given a newspaper interview in which she says “we should have been thinking more about mass production and the challenges it poses”.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban says it may start using the Russian Sputnik V vaccine next week after Hungary’s health authority gave it the go-ahead.

The South Tyrol province in Northern Italy will go into a “hard lockdown” for three weeks from Monday because of a surge in cases. Shops will shut, schools will go online and there will be a ban on moving between towns.

Case numbers are falling slowly in Germany and Health Minister Jens Spahn says coronavirus restrictions could be lifted before spring. "We can't stay in this hard lockdown all winter. We would not tolerate that well as a society.”

French Prime Minister Jean Castex has warned people not to lower their guard but he’s said there’s no need to go into full lockdown at the moment. Cases have stabilised at around 20,000 a day. With winter holidays starting in much of France today, non-essential travel outside the EU is banned but there’s no restriction on travel within France. Find outhere how cross-country skiing is taking off as ski-lifts at French resorts are shut.

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02-05-21, 02:30 PM

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Skybird

02-05-21, 04:38 PM

Are you telling us, that if EU was a person, s/he was to be taken to a lunatic farm ?

Markus
The EU is, as you called it, a lunatic farm. And the EU commission is the high security ward for the absolutely dangerous and hopeless cases.

Skybird

02-06-21, 06:51 AM

FOCUS, which beside Der Spiegel is the German equivalent to Newsweek and Time Magazine, had a nice headline title today:

Das Trottel-Problem: Diese Regierung verlangt selbst nach ihrer Ablösung

The idiot problem: this government is demanding its replacement itself.

Well, "Trottel" must be translated as "idiot", there is no other translation in English, but in German "Trottel" is a description even more aggressive and offensive than "idiot".

Mind you, its not just some local minor province paper.

Jimbuna

02-06-21, 07:04 AM

The UK needs to get Covid transmission levels down low enough to pursue a thorough contact tracing system, says Jeremy Hunt.

The former health secretary warns against easing lockdown measures too early.

New chair of the UK Vaccines Taskforce Dr Clive Dix says he is “very optimistic” all adults aged 50 and over will be offered a vaccine by May.

Small businesses are to get more time to repay state-backed loans taken out to help survive the lockdown.

The move is to give companies "breathing space to get back on their feet", Chancellor Rishi Sunak says.

UK PM Boris Johnson and French President Emmanuel Macron have discussed co-operation in the global fight against Covid-19

Boris Johnson is planning to reverse controversial reforms of the NHS in England, a leaked document reveals.

Jimbuna

02-06-21, 07:06 AM

"A country can be a speedboat, the EU is more like a tanker," said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, after a week of hefty criticism for the slow rollout of the vaccine in Europe.

It was the first time she had admitted the European Union had made mistakes.

More focus should have been put on production and delivery, not just on developing the vaccine, she told German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung on Friday.

In Ursula von der Leyen's home country many are asking why a vaccine invented by a German company - the Pfizer-BioNTech jab - is being rolled out successfully in the UK and the US, but not quickly enough in Europe.

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So far in Germany about three million vaccine doses have been injected, compared with almost 11 million in the UK; 400 mass vaccination centres have been built around Germany, but many are still standing empty waiting for enough vaccine doses to be delivered.

But international headlines of anti-EU outrage in Germany are exaggerated. Much of the German criticism of Ursula von der Leyen has come from long-standing left-wing adversaries or right-wing rivals.

The most ferocious critics of her and of the EU's vaccine strategy have come from the UK and the US.

Skybird

02-06-21, 07:08 AM

The article with that title I mentioned above is too good as if you want to miss it.

If there was a price for warning in time, Angela Merkel would win it. The Chancellor was always right with her prognoses. The big question is, why didn't she respond appropriately?

We're ruled by fools. I never thought that I would write such a sentence one day. As a columnist, I hate to scold or rumble. I prefer to leave indignation to others. But I am afraid it is the only accurate description of the situation.

Imagine you signed a new contract of employment. At the end of the first month, a look at the account: The salary is missing. You ask in the payroll department. "Sorry," they say, "but take a look at your employment contract."

You look. There it says: “We will try to pay Mr / Ms Ypsilon a gross salary of 4,300 euros.” You had overlooked that. You call the payroll department again. "We tried hard," they explain to you. “Unfortunately, we haven't been as successful in paying salaries this month as we'd planned. We hope it looks better next month. "

Either immune or already dead
Sounds funny, but that's what the contracts they have signed with Astra-Zeneca in Europe (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/orte/europa/) read . In the EU Commission they naturally see it differently. It says there are clear agreements. I would say the same if I had to find out that I was not careful when signing the contract. We don't need a vaccine until the lawyers sort it out. Then we are either immune or already dead.

Do you still think the word “idiot” is too harsh? Four weeks ago in Berlin (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/regional/berlin/) they came up with the idea of alleviating the shortage of vaccine by allowing medical staff to draw not five, but six doses of vaccine from an ampoule of the Biontech miracle drug. At the Ministry of Health, they were delighted. 20 percent more vaccine in one fell swoop. Great!

The approval guidelines were quickly changed - with the result that there are now not 20 percent more vaccinations, as hoped, but significantly fewer. How, you will ask yourself. Well, unfortunately, they neglected to look at the contract they signed with Pfizer before making the switch. There, under the item delivery quantity, it says “vaccination doses”, not “ampoules”. So the group delivers fewer glasses accordingly. Pfizer says: in accordance with the contract.

Something like that is called an own goal

This would bring you back to the status before the change in approval. Theoretically. However, it takes some skill to draw six instead of five syringes from an ampoule, so every drop counts. Many doctors are overwhelmed with it. You also need special needles, but they are scarce. Therefore, in some places, up to 17 percent less vaccine is available than at the beginning of January. That's what you call an own goal - when you're friendly.

Wherever you look at the moment: Nothing works, nothing goes together. What has been promised comes too late or at some point or not at all. The only Corona (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/corona-virus/) curve that clearly points downwards is the vaccination curve. Unfortunately this is the wrong one.

Nobody has judged the coalition as harshly as Merkel

What does the Chancellor say about all of this? They did everything humanly possible in a difficult situation. I would say no one has judged the current coalition so harshly. If what we see is the maximum that this government is capable of, then a lot of people are saying to themselves: It's really time we got a new government.

It is also irrelevant how much vaccine you have ordered, the Chancellor said. I don't want to be unfair, but maybe that's how it was in the GDR. It didn't matter whether you ordered something or not. There was just nothing. It is generally different in capitalism. The following applies: Whoever orders first will also be the first to be delivered.

What happened to Angela Merkel?

What happened to Angela Merkel (https://aevs6jem6isi4g6gurt5fba7he--www-focus-de.translate.goog/personen/angela-merkel/) ? It is a mystery to me. I met her a couple of times in Berlin. It is always said that the Chancellor has wit and an extraordinary faculty of understanding. I can confirm that. I know few politicians who dig into a subject that interests them like Angela Merkel. No information that it misses, no detail that is too small for it.

It is also not as if the Chancellor did not know what to expect in winter. If there was a price for warning in time, she would easily win it. So it is in every comment and every portrait: Angela Merkel has always been right with her prognoses during the crisis.

You are not chosen for your predictive ability

When she explained what exponential growth means in the fall, the newspapers were full of praise: Ah, how good that we have a woman who understands math at the top and not such a dumb fool as Trump. Unfortunately, as a head of government, you are not elected for your forecasting ability, but rather for acting according to the forecasts.

Can you be too intelligent for political business? Maybe. Trump started securing vaccine back in May, while our options were first looked at. Simply appoint a four-star general who will then carry out the task assigned to him with military precision? That smells way too much of toxic masculinity! No, you need an inclusive approach that takes everyone with you. The approach is also toxic, as it turns out now, but it sounds good.

Not enough vaccine? Just one of the problems

None of this explains the strange lethargy in the Chancellery. The fact that we don't have enough vaccine is just one of the problems that plagues us. If one were to finally keep the virus out of the nursing homes, the number of infections would be up to two thirds lower, as the “Frankfurter Allgemeine” has calculated using the example of Hesse.

Nothing has progressed in the health authorities for months either. That the government is aiming for an incidence of 50 is not medically justified, but technical. The authorities are only able to follow up if there are 50 or more infected per 100,000 inhabitants. If they were better equipped, we could handle 100 or 200 infected people.

No wonder that some play "Candy Crush" in the prime ministerial rounds

Sure, the Chancellor is not responsible for protecting old people's homes, that is a matter for the Prime Minister. It is also not responsible for the supervision of the health authorities, which are subordinate to the respective district administrator or mayor. But shouldn't one have expected that in the long sessions in the Chancellery there would have been a detailed discussion of what could be done? Or that the law ensures that the offices are modernized if the district administrators disagree? No wonder that some play "Candy Crush" in the prime ministerial rounds. You get at least one level further.

There is now great unrest on the government tanker. The Chancellor explains in a small group that the thing has slipped. The Minister of Health invites you to the vaccination summit. This, too, is one of the puzzles that a committee of inquiry will later have to clarify: Has really nobody in the government asked themselves how many production sites for vaccines there are in Europe and whether they are sufficient to meet demand?

Let go of all hope, you who enter

That we need 14 years to build airports, for which they estimate four years elsewhere - for free. That the rifles from Heckler & Koch, which were considered the best rifles in the world for decades, buckle when fired because the barrel gets too hot - well. Nevertheless, to this day I had a basic trust in the German organizational talent and the proverbial German efficiency.

After all, we are the country where electricity and trams were still working in the spring of 1944 despite the hail of bombs, because they had everything repaired within a short time. And now? Now we don't even manage to send the data to the Robert Koch Institute on time so that you can get an overview of the pandemic. As it is said by Dante: Let those who enter, let all hope go.

mapuc

02-06-21, 11:48 AM

The Danish Prime Minister fear a Vaccine conflict.

She and some other leaders in EU has sent a letter to Von der Leyen

When reading this and why these leaders are concern I wonder what EU can do.

It's about the story that one of the vaccine is being poured into the bottle in USA.

Markus