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Skybird
03-28-20, 07:33 AM
Another German nurse, this time from Berlin, on why people can shove their applauding.
Applause is cheap.
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fthemen%2Frep ortage%2Fberliner-krankenpflegerin-klagt-an-euren-applaus-koennt-ihr-euch-sonstwohin-stecken%2F25691690.html
u crank
03-28-20, 07:38 AM
We now have eleven cases here on our little island province out of a population of 160,000 people. All of the victims contracted the virus while travelling abroad. None of the victims are in serious danger or hospitalized. They are all self isolating and cooperating with health officials. This is somewhat encouraging as the virus so far (crosses fingers) has not spread locally.
We are in a unique situation here when it comes to screening arrivals. One airport, one ferry and one bridge. So far no widespread infections and people for the most part are doing all they can to keep it that way.
Skybird
03-28-20, 07:57 AM
Chris Martenson's latest episode of today I found especially "arousing". How to hear all that stories he has without getting very seriously angry? Maybe you Know, I do not. I am angry for sure. Nothing of all this had to be. It was preventable.
It seems China is again lying, lying, lying about its numbers. Other places like the Phillipines obviously lie as well.
And American hospitals fight with a growing rate of staff infections.
I think for staff it is especially dangerous, because the immense workload and stress no doubt weakens their immune system. This raises the chance that they do not just get ill, but form severe symptoms.
New Orleans now having the fastest growth rate in the world. 2000 case sin one day.
ER staff saying that every day they see more worse things than anything they have ever seen before in mass shootings, third world desasters, desaster relief work
What do they talk about? Its just a flu! :88)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN3BWaEH3tY
And still some sources still drive the drivel that wearing facemasks is not recommendable for healthy individuals. What the...?
I said I do not believe the Chinese numbers one second. I fear the worst indeed, that they "slaughter" their factory workers in scores just to keep their factories running. I also think the govenrment does not keep (hidden) records of the kill ratio so that even in the future research will not be able to find evidence for the regime having done wrong.
In a news report from two days ago I read that the aid sent by China and Russia to italy and some other places, in parts is dysfunctional, old, and is in parts at least not beign used since it cannot be used. Both countries aggressively drive their beachheads forward in the propaganda war. They get nice pictures from TV cameras from it.
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
ikalugin
03-28-20, 08:08 AM
In a news report from two days ago I read that the aid sent by China an dRussia to italy and some other palce,s in parts is dy********ional, old, and is n in parts at leats not beign used since it cannot be used. Both countries aggressively drive their beachheads forward in the propaganda war.
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
We are also in Italy to collect data on what works and what doesn't work when fighting the Corona.
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 08:34 AM
Another German nurse, this time from Berlin, on why people can shove their applauding.
Applause is cheap.
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fthemen%2Frep ortage%2Fberliner-krankenpflegerin-klagt-an-euren-applaus-koennt-ihr-euch-sonstwohin-stecken%2F25691690.html
Does it not occur to these people that some folk want to show their appreciation and any positives one can take out of this seriously sad and horrible situation even if just a momentary rise in morale is surely better than any negative consequence.
I look at the attitude above for example and wonder if people like this are in the ideal vocation. I know that in the past when I have experienced challenging times in my job a thank you or a pat on the back can result in a real boost.
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 08:37 AM
We now have eleven cases here on our little island province out of a population of 160,000 people. All of the victims contracted the virus while travelling abroad. None of the victims are in serious danger or hospitalized. They are all self isolating and cooperating with health officials. This is somewhat encouraging as the virus so far (crosses fingers) has not spread locally.
We are in a unique situation here when it comes to screening arrivals. One airport, one ferry and one bridge. So far no widespread infections and people for the most part are doing all they can to keep it that way.
In my town we have twenty confirmed cases who are all hospitalised including two deaths.
ikalugin
03-28-20, 09:00 AM
Most of the current Russian cases are in Moscow (where I live).
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 09:14 AM
Spain's coronavirus death toll rose by 832 cases overnight to 5,690
It marked a new high in the daily rise in fatalities in Spain.
Wuhan, the city where the coronavirus pandemic began has partially re-opened after two months of isolation.
South Korea says for the first time it has more people who have recovered than are infected.
President Trump has signed into law a $2tn stimulus bill to kick-start the coronavirus-hit economy.
Britain's PM Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus, as has Health Secretary Matt Hancock.
Onkel Neal
03-28-20, 09:30 AM
Most of the current Russian cases are in Moscow (where I live).
Where do you get your info from? On worldometers, Russia seems to have a low # of cases, so far. Has Moscow started talking about lockdown?
Skybird
03-28-20, 10:04 AM
Does it not occur to these people that some folk want to show their appreciation and any positives one can take out of this seriously sad and horrible situation even if just a momentary rise in morale is surely better than any negative consequence.
I look at the attitude above for example and wonder if people like this are in the ideal vocation. I know that in the past when I have experienced challenging times in my job a thank you or a pat on the back can result in a real boost.
That nurse and many others since many years and all their job life make the experience that their working cinditons get cut bACK, that they are not beign cared for, are expected to function in the background silently, are invisble, are beign underpayed and polticians make big shows and get greta incomes form havign tlak show after talkshow about how their situation must improve and that more staff shoukld be sent in and that wages should be risen to even standard levels. And year after year, nothign happens and thign sget worse and worse and worse instead.
You ar wrong. Many people unite on their balconies because they are about their own mood and self-perception, it gives THEM a good feeling and they feel morally lifted. For the staff fighting at the friont in hipsitals under in parts already unimaginable conditions, this does NOTHING.
You ant to show your appreciation? Do not forget them once again. Do not tlak well about a terribly bright down heakth system (like some weeks ago you would not beleive that the NHS comoares bad in international comparison), but mailbomb your politicians, vote only for those who indeed get their payments up sifngicantly, who indeed stop the drianing of institutions,.
But stop just clapping your hands. That is the cheapest and most cost-reducing measurement, yes. And it makes nio difference.
Dont oyu find it cyncial yourself that you applaude those you send intot heir self-sacriice while they march into the arena day after day? This is not the Hunger Games. This is real.
Today I saw a video from the Netherlands, one team of hostial staff outside an isolated station apllauded their collegaues on the aoher side of the shielding, and sang You never wlk alone" fo them. that si something difefrent. that is one team in hospital cheering up another team in hosptial, people they know, people whose miserbale working cidnitons thy share, and with whom they sit in the same boat.
If you know care workers in your social vicinity, give them presents, money, anything that really maks a difference. A food basket if they have no time to care for their own household. And do not dare to let thme down again once this is over, by not caring if politicians do not put their deeds where their mouths were. Applauding heroes and workers and icons of social engagement potlicians do all the time, becasue it costs no oeny and allows them to get away with just staging a show. The big charm of this trick is: it costs no money.
And if you cared for those doing their jobs now and forced that thei situaiton really impoves susbtantiall y- then you have th eright next time desaster strikes to applaude them and sing songs for them. Until then, its just about your own well-feeling.
No, I veto what you say. Mybe becasue I got a little insight, a brief short glance into the hosital world myself long time agai, and already then the staff situation and underpaykment was bad. Thats twenty years ago and more and the situation has constantly declined since then. Many nurses at the end of their job life, end in poverty, as social wellfare receivers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsce2GLH_Dw
Liked the comment about politician's world wide. :03:
ikalugin
03-28-20, 10:09 AM
Where do you get your info from? On worldometers, Russia seems to have a low # of cases, so far. Has Moscow started talking about lockdown?
Yes, only 1264 cases reporting but 817 of those are in Moscow are we have seen +228 cases today (out of 1264 cases) so we are looking at the begining of the rapid growth phase most likely now that the infection spreads within Russia rather than being delivered here from elsewhere. The real figures may also be higher due to the finite testing, as it is elsewhere.
There is a soft self isolation order for the vulnerable groups (ie elderly), there is a mandatory 7 day holiday with calls to stay at home during it. Major parks, shopping centers etc are closed down, only important places are still open ie groceries and pharmacies. There is a discussion for complete lock down of the inter city travel and such but none of those measures were implimented yet.
Maybe so but you don't get situations like in Italy and Spain where the hospitals are being extremely overtaxed in such a short span of time with the seasonal flu viruses we normally deal with. I hope you're right but I seriously doubt it.
Remember those are our numbers not Italy or Spain's. There are many differences between our cultures that will (hopefully) contribute to different results, most of which have already been mentioned here.
Mr Quatro
03-28-20, 10:30 AM
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Reece is the expert on farting matters. :03:
Over to Reece...:)
ikalugin
03-28-20, 10:34 AM
I thought that chemical weapons were illegal?
I thought that chemical weapons were illegal?
Reece has a special licence. :rolleyes:
Skybird
03-28-20, 10:42 AM
Russia I see as one of those countries in this Corona crisis whose official numbers are not worth the paper they are printed on. Putin terribly failed this time, comign to late to start, and having announced too short a lock down (from what i recall from two dys ago).
I think Moscow is running the Swedish course, enforcing fast herd-immunity by struict infeciton no matter the price to be paid by population.
But maybe I am wrong and Russian are just tougher than this virus. BTW, Vodka is not sufficient for desinfecting from Corona virus, its alcohol is not high enough. You need 65 or 70% minimum, the Vodka on the shelves here in Germany usually has around 37.5 to 49.5%, some of these brands being direct imports.
Mr Quatro
03-28-20, 10:59 AM
Hey! Stop bad mouthing Russia they must be doing something right :yep:
They only have four (4) reported dead from Covid-19 :haha:
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 11:14 AM
That nurse and many others since many years and all their job life make the experience that their working cinditons get cut bACK, that they are not beign cared for, are expected to function in the background silently, are invisble, are beign underpayed and polticians make big shows and get greta incomes form havign tlak show after talkshow about how their situation must improve and that more staff shoukld be sent in and that wages should be risen to even standard levels. And year after year, nothign happens and thign sget worse and worse and worse instead.
You ar wrong. Many people unite on their balconies because they are about their own mood and self-perception, it gives THEM a good feeling and they feel morally lifted. For the staff fighting at the friont in hipsitals under in parts already unimaginable conditions, this does NOTHING.
You ant to show your appreciation? Do not forget them once again. Do not tlak well about a terribly bright down heakth system (like some weeks ago you would not beleive that the NHS comoares bad in international comparison), but mailbomb your politicians, vote only for those who indeed get their payments up sifngicantly, who indeed stop the drianing of institutions,.
But stop just clapping your hands. That is the cheapest and most cost-reducing measurement, yes. And it makes nio difference.
Dont oyu find it cyncial yourself that you applaude those you send intot heir self-sacriice while they march into the arena day after day? This is not the Hunger Games. This is real.
Today I saw a video from the Netherlands, one team of hostial staff outside an isolated station apllauded their collegaues on the aoher side of the shielding, and sang You never wlk alone" fo them. that si something difefrent. that is one team in hospital cheering up another team in hosptial, people they know, people whose miserbale working cidnitons thy share, and with whom they sit in the same boat.
If you know care workers in your social vicinity, give them presents, money, anything that really maks a difference. A food basket if they have no time to care for their own household. And do not dare to let thme down again once this is over, by not caring if politicians do not put their deeds where their mouths were. Applauding heroes and workers and icons of social engagement potlicians do all the time, becasue it costs no oeny and allows them to get away with just staging a show. The big charm of this trick is: it costs no money.
And if you cared for those doing their jobs now and forced that thei situaiton really impoves susbtantiall y- then you have th eright next time desaster strikes to applaude them and sing songs for them. Until then, its just about your own well-feeling.
No, I veto what you say. Mybe becasue I got a little insight, a brief short glance into the hosital world myself long time agai, and already then the staff situation and underpaykment was bad. Thats twenty years ago and more and the situation has constantly declined since then. Many nurses at the end of their job life, end in poverty, as social wellfare receivers.
I'll say this.....The world you live in and how you perceive it is certainly different to mine and much of my perception is based on nearly two decades of occasionally finding myself in harms way and not having an easy option out. Many is the time my loved ones knowing via news feed would pray I'd return home at the end of a shift and that memory alone makes me grateful for what other folk do to protect us via any means possible.
I for one am proud of my past and have never allowed myself to become bitter and twisted or blinkered for that matter.
You obviously have the right to reply but being the moderator here abouts I am informing you that should you decide to reply then that will be the end of the matter and I will not be replying further.
Buddahaid
03-28-20, 11:41 AM
Remember those are our numbers not Italy or Spain's. There are many differences between our cultures that will (hopefully) contribute to different results, most of which have already been mentioned here.
I'm not forgetting, I am however working in three hospitals and looking at measures being implemented and considered. I know what looks normal during a typical flu season and what he have now is far from normal.
Skybird
03-28-20, 11:51 AM
Buddahaid, I did not know that you are working in hospitals. You have two hellish years ahead or yourself, first the Corona tsunami, and when that is done one day, all the regular medical cases that need to be worked down on the list that has now been delayed and cancelled.
Take care of yourself as best as possible. Good, good luck to you.
Skybird
03-28-20, 11:55 AM
I'll say this.....The world you live in and how you perceive it is certainly different to mine and much of my perception is based on nearly two decades of occasionally finding myself in harms way and not having an easy option out. Many is the time my loved ones knowing via news feed would pray I'd return home at the end of a shift and that memory alone makes me grateful for what other folk do to protect us via any means possible.
I for one am proud of my past and have never allowed myself to become bitter and twisted or blinkered for that matter.
You obviously have the right to reply but being the moderator here abouts I am informing you that should you decide to reply then that will be the end of the matter and I will not be replying further.
We must strictly disagree on this then. So be it. As a policeman you had your biography, and that nurse had her biography as a nurse. As far as I am concerned regarding you, beside the momentary fireball, no hard feelings beyond this moment. ;)
I had never thought of it, until I saw the news earlier today.
So far we have discussed the not-so-exact numbers from China and Iran.
But there's another area, an area who have a high population density and that is Indonesia.
According to the expert Indonesia is not telling the truth on how may of their population have been infected and how many who have died.
There's a lot of countries who are not really interest to give WHO or the rest of the world an exact number of infected or dead.
Markus
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 12:09 PM
We must strictly disagree on this then. So be it. As a policeman you had your biography, and that nurse had her biography as a nurse. As far as I am concerned regarding you, beside the momentary fireball, no hard feelings beyond this moment. ;)
Likewise.
I'm not forgetting, I am however working in three hospitals and looking at measures being implemented and considered. I know what looks normal during a typical flu season and what he have now is far from normal.
But measures being implemented and considered are not the same as results. There are people who prepare for an alien invasion, but that doesn't mean one is actually imminent. Medicos must always prepare for the worst case scenarios and they are no less susceptible to fear mongering than anyone else. I'll be surprised if we end up needing half the stuff currently being demanded.
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 01:07 PM
If UK death toll is kept below 20,000, "we will have done very well" - NHS England medical director Prof Stephen Powis.
The comment came as Business Secretary Alok Sharma gave the UK government's daily coronavirus briefing.
Across the UK, 1,019 people have now died.
ikalugin
03-28-20, 01:12 PM
Russia I see as one of those countries in this Corona crisis whose official numbers are not worth the paper they are printed on. Putin terribly failed this time, comign to late to start, and having announced too short a lock down (from what i recall from two dys ago).
I think Moscow is running the Swedish course, enforcing fast herd-immunity by struict infeciton no matter the price to be paid by population.
But maybe I am wrong and Russian are just tougher than this virus. BTW, Vodka is not sufficient for desinfecting from Corona virus, its alcohol is not high enough. You need 65 or 70% minimum, the Vodka on the shelves here in Germany usually has around 37.5 to 49.5%, some of these brands being direct imports.
As far as I am aware from internal sources the numbers are decent if imperfect due to limited testing. But I guess you think otherwise.
As to the scenario - we are introducing quarantine measures and are preparing for large scale epidemic. Today was Russia entering rapid spread phase, with +20 percent growth. Fortunately we have some experience from Italians.
We (as in household) use either medical ethanol or bleach for cleaning.
Mr Quatro
03-28-20, 02:28 PM
I wonder who's doing the cointing?
Only two (2) recovered??? :hmmm:
New York Confirmed 52,318
Deaths 728
Recovered 2
What is your input on this ?
Are we facing a second wave very soon, long before autumn, where expert expected it would come (as I understand it)
A spate of mysterious second-time infections is calling into question the accuracy of COVID-19 diagnostic tools even as China prepares to lift quarantine measures to allow residents to leave the epicenter of its outbreak next month. It's also raising concerns of a possible second wave of cases.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive?t=1585399252179&t=1585404021123&t=1585410335165&t=1585424724394
(The link was provided in a Danish article, I have absolutely no chance to know if this English article is reliable or not)
Markus
I like this guys take on things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WinPcASr8xw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1GeU7cNsVisFqq69SOUWM8H5rtv2GI4nuBMF6Qd bTY7MiKRYkV3A0luJg
em2nought
03-28-20, 04:04 PM
I like this guys take on things:
So do I, but if things start looking too good the media is going to have a cow and try to throw us back under the fake news bus to take down you know who.
Staying six feet away from the unwashed masses is not new for me. LOL
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 04:12 PM
Never thought I'd see the day when my Anti-Social personality would be popular!
:rock::haha:
Buddahaid
03-28-20, 04:29 PM
The jury is still out. You can be smug later but I'll be prepared now.
u crank
03-28-20, 04:29 PM
I'm not forgetting, I am however working in three hospitals and looking at measures being implemented and considered.
Could we ask what you do at these hospitals. Course you don't have to answer but just curious and wishing you well at your job. Stay safe.
:salute:
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 05:10 PM
The jury is still out. You can be smug later but I'll be prepared now.
If that is meant for me?
I'm not intending to be smug!
I'm going into week 4 of isolation but it's actually my job and life style to be isolated!
Onkel Neal
03-28-20, 05:26 PM
I'm not forgetting, I am however working in three hospitals and looking at measures being implemented and considered. I know what looks normal during a typical flu season and what he have now is far from normal.
Yeah, stay safe, keep us posted.
Catfish
03-28-20, 05:46 PM
"Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro on Friday cast doubt on Sao Paulo's death toll from the coronavirus outbreak and accused the state governor of manipulating the numbers for political ends, without giving evidence for his claims"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil/brazils-bolsonaro-questions-coronavirus-deaths-says-sorry-some-will-die-idUSKBN21E3IZ
:haha: Bolsonaro, Bullsh...tter in Chief
Skybird
03-28-20, 05:56 PM
Have they ever done genetic analysis of Bolsonaro's and Trump's genes? They may find that they share some relatives.
Reece has a special licence. :rolleyes:
Oh you're a naughty boy STEED. . . Damn what's that smell? :oops:
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 06:52 PM
This is all setup to reveal to the Public Alien introduction.
https://metvcdn.metv.com/BgkvP-1542648855-1035-quizzes-to_serve_man_main.jpg
Mr Quatro
03-28-20, 07:07 PM
Have they ever done genetic analysis of Bolsonaro's and Trump's genes? They may find that they share some relatives.
Wow! Break through :yep:
Sky said the word Trump :o
This is a real improvement :up:
Yes he actually admires Trump, has his picture on his wall. :up:
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 07:46 PM
He seems to be interested in Trumps jeans?
:hmmm:
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 08:13 PM
Store my Wife works at is getting face shields.
Why? Because some people are spitting into their faces!
That is assault and should be prosecuted at the highest level!
Spit in my face? I'll be the one prosecuted. Probably for murder.
+1 to that, miserable piles of crap!! :nope:
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 08:26 PM
Thinking a whole new line of work will come up.
Security in Stores at a whole new level.
Already have the PPE including body Armour.
This virus threat is likely to be with us for the rest of this year, maybe longer, quite frightening as to what things will be like in 6 months time! :oops::hmmm:
I think our way of life has changed forever, just starting our retired life but where to go? What to do, can't cross the borders, can't go to church, can't go to cafe's now. Most of the shelves are empty in stores and many shops, even our favorite pub, have closed their doors.
If police find more than 6 people together you are fined $1,000 on the spot!!
This is crazy. :timeout:
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 10:25 PM
It's the End of the World as We Knew it Reece.
Just like 911 changed things?
Suus 'novam aetatem!
(Orange posting blatantly ripped off from Aktungbby)
Aktungbby
03-28-20, 10:43 PM
imitation is the sincerest form of flatulen...er flattery!:O:
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 10:50 PM
LOL!
I mean LOL!
sublynx
03-28-20, 11:02 PM
HCoV-229E, -NL63, -OC43, and -HKU1, MERS and SARS, and now Covid-19. This one is bad enough, but viruses mutate and if the coronavirus one day - hopefully never, or at least years from now - mutates into something as efficient as the spanish flu, smallpox or the plague...
We need to have an efficient epidemic control system in place, instead of this uncoordinated mess.
Jeff-Groves
03-28-20, 11:16 PM
Spanish Flu hit so bad due to the lack of technology at that time.
No instant communications and such as we have today.
Looking at past responses is like saying We fought WWII with WWI Technology.
In some respects? Yeah. Maybe but I'd say we are ahead of the curve just a tiny bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJGF2TnhYyI
The whole world is up to its ### in alligators, what are you waiting for? :up:
Skybird
03-29-20, 02:47 AM
This virus threat is likely to be with us for the rest of this year, maybe longer, quite frightening as to what things will be like in 6 months time! :oops::hmmm:
I think our way of life has changed forever, just starting our retired life but where to go? What to do, can't cross the borders, can't go to church, can't go to cafe's now. Most of the shelves are empty in stores and many shops, even our favorite pub, have closed their doors.
If police find more than 6 people together you are fined $1,000 on the spot!!
This is crazy. :timeout:
Not "forever", but for many long months to come, especially the older. But not longer until a vaccine. Research could be there in spring, if things go very well. Then 2-3 months more to produce sufficient amounts, to distrubute them, getting them into people's arms.
Then the financial burnthrough - THAT is what will have changed the world. Pandemics come and go - states and societies will change due to the financial and economical fallout: I fear they change for the worse.
Now public gatherings are restricted to 2 people, that is just stupid!!!!
Typical of Snot Morrison!! :doh::nope:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/29/coronavirus-live-news-australia-update-nsw-qld-victoria-covid-19-live-scott-morrison-social-distancing-parks-beaches-shut-latest-update
Skybird
03-29-20, 03:25 AM
Now public gatherings are restricted to 2 people, that is just stupid!!!!
Typical of Snot Morrison!! :doh::nope:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/29/coronavirus-live-news-australia-update-nsw-qld-victoria-covid-19-live-scott-morrison-social-distancing-parks-beaches-shut-latest-update
Its not. Really, its not at all. It should even be limited to two people only if they live in the same household, else - in public everybody all alone. The perfect group size these days is "1".
Don't forget to wear your masks. Seriously.
---
Change of paradigm coming. Or better: is already here (didnt I say that already three weeks ago...) , we just are still stuck in our adaptation process and still deny the new, unwanted reality.
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Ffinanzen%2Fboerse%2 Fsachwerte-als-investments-der-zukunft-crash-prophet-marc-friedrich-unser-jetziges-geld-und-wirtschaftssystem-befindet-sich-im-endspiel_id_11821876.html
Skybird
03-29-20, 03:50 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/if-getting-us-6-trillion-more-debt-doesnt-matter-then-why-not-350-trillion
Bulls Eye. Just that I think it will not work, but break in the process of implementing it. Chaos necessarily must be the consequence. Chaos in the menaing of: constructive destruction to destroy what is rotten and make room for a new start.
French evolution, anyone? Flushed away an overaged aristocratic caste. Why not flushing away money-Keyensians as well? They are not any less rotten by now.
The lives saved in hospitals now (or not), may be the lives being lost in what comes after this. The collapse of a civilization - its absolutely possible, it is a realistic scenario. And I mean not just the US, but the whole West by this, and the global financial order.
If it happens, we should not shed a tear for it.
An old curse: "May you live in interetsing times." Times promise to become very interesting for sure.
Jeff-Groves
03-29-20, 03:51 AM
And I'm called Anti-Social for not wanting to be around people!
Guess what! Everyone is being forced into my life style and now it's becoming cool!
The Lunatics now run this asylum!
And being paranoid is not a mental disease any longer!
:up:
French evolution, anyone?
Remember what happened to the guy who led the French Revolution. :up:
:hmph:
Skybird
03-29-20, 07:30 AM
This struck me. Somehow I so far had completely escaped to realise this, although it is so open for every eye to see.
There are already several strains of corona virusses around, causing for example the common flu.
And we still have not a single vaccine for any of them after all these years.
:hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-29-20, 07:34 AM
The UK is facing a "significant period" of strict measures to cope with the coronavirus outbreak, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has said.
He declined to predict exactly how long the instructions to stay at home could last, saying the date the virus peaked would depend on how people behaved.
Mr Gove said it was "vitally important" to follow social distancing rules.
It comes as Boris Johnson has written to all UK households saying the crisis will get worse before it gets better.
In the letter, being sent to 30 million homes, the prime minister warned stricter restrictions could be put in place if necessary.
The number of people who have died with coronavirus in the UK has reached 1,019, with the latest 260 deaths announced on Saturday.
There are now 17,089 confirmed cases in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52082781
Jimbuna
03-29-20, 07:35 AM
UK PM Boris Johnson warns things will get worse before they get better.
One of his ministers warns the period of lockdown could be "significantly" long.
More than 30,000 people have died worldwide.
Spain has a new grim daily record of deaths - 838 in 24 hours.
President Trump backs down after saying he is considering a quarantine on New York and two other states.
Australia limits gatherings to just two people.
In Europe, the number of people killed passes 20,000.
Portugal grants residency to all migrants who have applied, because of the pandemic.
The UK is facing a "significant period" of strict measures to cope with the coronavirus outbreak, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has said.
The number of people who have died with coronavirus in the UK has reached 1,019, with the latest 260 deaths announced on Saturday.
There are now 17,089 confirmed cases in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52082781
Listening on the radio in the early hours some medical folk did research and estimated the UK death toll will be around 5000 to 6000 under the lock down measures. Without the measures 250,000 deaths, rather shocking.
As for our government to slow just like others around the world, so hold on this is going to be a long hard road ahead. Lets hope those morons and panic buyer's get this in their heads....FAST!
Jimbuna
03-29-20, 08:01 AM
Coronavirus: Italy lockdown 'doomed to fail' amid looting and police checkpoints
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-italy-lockdown-doomed-fail-21666512
Skybird
03-29-20, 08:08 AM
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/corona-rise-droht-eine-revolution-der-mittelschicht-a-b900b343-fa69-4fb6-98e2-bb0fe4e3615c
Dr. Marco Buschmann MdB, is First Parliamentary Managing Director of the Free Democrats in the German Bundestag.
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The cohesion of German society is impressive given the corona crisis. But nobody should be mistaken: people will not put up with this for a long time. To put it bluntly: revolution could soon be in the air if this continues. If the German middle class at some point finds that their company is going bankrupt, their job is lost or their stock savings plan is worthless, then it will radicalize.
This is not scaremongering, but a lesson from history. French historian Alexis de Tocqueville already taught that, in periods of long prosperity, the citizens of a state are becoming increasingly sensitive to unreasonable demands. It follows that revolutions do not take place when people face worst times. They tend to when a sudden slump occurs over a long period of great prosperity.
The German sociologist Theodor Geiger recognized the political radicalization in Germany in the 1930s as a reaction of the middle class to their social decline in the Great Depression. US political scientist Samuel Huntington believed that the middle classes tend to radicalize if they are concerned about losing their social status compared to other groups. And US political scientist Francis Fukuyama recently recalled that the social decline of middle classes was a driver of aggressive polarization.
The resolutions passed by the German Bundestag on March 25, 2020 are intended to give citizens and businesses a little time to react to the external shock of the corona crisis. But the little time that the state can buy society and the economy in spite of huge sums that have been mobilized will soon expire. Until then, medical scenarios and political considerations are needed. You have to answer the question of when it is responsible and when it is even necessary to reduce the current exceptional situation of social distancing and finally to end it.
For these considerations it will be crucial whether already approved and sufficiently scalable producible medications alleviate the course of the disease of a Covid-19 infection, interrupt it, prevent the need for intensive medical care and can significantly reduce the mortality rate. Such drugs could then be used quickly and over a wide area. The health hazard could relax considerably. All clinical studies that serve this purpose must receive full financial and administrative support.
For these considerations, it will be crucial whether faster and more reliable procedures for mass tests become available. Because then it would be possible to identify and isolate people who spread the virus faster. Then it would also be conceivable to create "safe havens" in which people can stay and interact freely, who have been tested negatively and who continue to undergo close tests. The reliable level of knowledge of high-risk groups must be considered in this assessment. If they could be protected in a targeted manner so that health risks for the rest of the population would drop to the level of a severe flu wave, as the virologist Alexander Kekulé recently put it, then an end to the general lockdown would not only be possible responsibly, but would even be necessary in terms of fundamental rights. And a possible radicalization of the middle class must also be considered in this consideration.
Because the radicalization or even the breakdown of politically ordered relationships can also cause incredible suffering. A key prerequisite for us as the state, society and the national economy to survive the corona crisis in good shape will be a new focus on the middle class in Germany. Without complaint, she has ensured for decades that the state is adequately provided with taxes and levies in order to finance infrastructure, education and social compensation. This includes the automotive mechatronics engineer like the retail clerk, the construction worker like the policewoman, the teacher like the entrepreneur or the freelancer.
In recent years, they have played little role in politics. Huge pension packages and the expansion of social benefits dominated there. If the German middle class should get the impression that, given the threat to their social situation, their concerns and needs do not become the focus of German politics and lead to a clear change in priorities, then no responsible politician should say that he could not have known what happens then. Then at some point revolution will be in the air.
I would add that all this must also mean that no longer precious financial ressources get wasted in maintaining unsustainable zombie business and moral-soaking eco-insane pet-hobbies like the eU's wanted "Green deal" (its a planned-economy-red deal in fact), e-mobility at any cost, demonization of Diesel and gasoline driven cars, making electricity ever more expensive intentionally (in Germany, you maybe do not know that it costs more over here than anywhere els ein the west, and every year they push the price further upwards, and the more renewable energy gets produced on a day, the more it costs instead of costing less. ), and all those regional and national fantasies about switching off modern safe powerplants to have the renewables with instable, unreliable renewable energy. We simply cannot afford these ideology-driven follies anymore, they were the product of bored minds that enjoyed too long an era of luxury, peace and beign not challenged or put at risk by anything or anyone.
This game we have now is about much more substantial factors and needs. Riding the moral high horse is no longer an acceptable option. The many deformations and philosophical excesses that have summed up in the EU over the past 30 years and turned it into a political junk show, must be seriously cut back.
Mr Quatro
03-29-20, 09:51 AM
In case you need more proof that Covid-19 is very contagious :yep:
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/03/28/coronavirus-latest-66-residents-at-carroll-county-nursing-home-test-positive-for-covid-19/
66 Residents At Carroll County Nursing Home Test Positive For COVID-19
MOUNT AIRY, Md. (WJZ) — State officials announced Saturday an outbreak of COVID-19 at a nursing home in Carroll County where a total of 66 residents tested positive, with 11 currently hospitalized.
Officials said the outbreak occurred at Pleasant View Nursing Home in Mount Airy, Maryland.
Something about living close together causes the outbreak in nursing homes.
What about jails? Perhaps this is why jails are letting so many people go.
What about USN aircraft carriers? One already has 23 sailors with the virus and has just now decided to check the other 5,000 sailors onboard.
The problem is so bad in the USN that the defence department has decide to stop reporting the names of their ships that have sailors with the virus. :yep:
Buddahaid
03-29-20, 09:59 AM
But measures being implemented and considered are not the same as results. There are people who prepare for an alien invasion, but that doesn't mean one is actually imminent. Medicos must always prepare for the worst case scenarios and they are no less susceptible to fear mongering than anyone else. I'll be surprised if we end up needing half the stuff currently being demanded.
That may very well be but would you rather go into battle armed, or on a waiting list?
And I have wondered what will be done with all the thousands of ventilators after the pandemic settles down? I say that because my job is in-house maintenance of patient care equipment. Anesthesia machines, some ventilators, all manner of patient monitoring and therapy devices, IV pumps, lab equipment, etc. My exposure level is almost completely contact with equipment that gets cleaned but is still dirty in the hard to reach places and most of it can't be sterilised.
kraznyi_oktjabr
03-29-20, 10:09 AM
This struck me. Somehow I so far had completely escaped to realise this, although it is so open for every eye to see.
There are already several strains of corona virusses around, causing for example the common flu.
And we still have not a single vaccine for any of them after all these years.
:hmmm:That is because common flu (not meaning influenza here) is not dangerous for most people. Whole process of developing and testing new vaccine takes 6 to 18 months (depends on disease, luck and other factors) and requires significant investment not only in money but also in personel resources. Why use such time and resources for disease which is dangerous only to very small minority which can be treated in available medical facilities?
Seasonal influenza is completely different thing. Unfortunately you can't known in advance which strain will be dominant each season. Therefore content of influenza vaccine is essentially an educated guess: sometimes its spot on, sometimes not so.
u crank
03-29-20, 10:30 AM
Seasonal influenza is completely different thing. Unfortunately you can't known in advance which strain will be dominant each season. Therefore content of influenza vaccine is essentially an educated guess: sometimes its spot on, sometimes not so.
That is usualy the case. Here I am told it is an educated guess and the seasonal flu vaccines (which seniors like myself get free) usually cover the three most likely strains that the experts feel will be present.
ikalugin
03-29-20, 12:16 PM
https://www.mos.ru/upload/documents/docs/34-YM.pdf
Moscow is going into the lockdown but it is not yet clear what the sanctions and enforcement will be like.
Mr Quatro
03-29-20, 12:29 PM
Buddahaid and vienna and Aktung could be in this for a long time:
MARCH 19, 2020
CALIFORNIA ISSUES ORDERS FOR RESIDENTS TO STAY HOME
https://www.laweekly.com/california-issues-immediate-shelter-in-place-for-all-residents/
Governor Gavin Newsom has issued a stay-at-home order for all residents of California in response to the rapidly growing threat of COVID-19.
The order is indefinite, staying in effect until further notice.
There are things I really can't figure out in all this.
Lets start with our classic flu.
I remember throughout most of my life where a season was a lot harsher than other years, where almost half of the Swedish or the Danish population was knocked-out by the flu and where hundreds was killed by the flu that season.
I remember a year in my school days, where the entire school was cut down to only 3 classes with different ages of the the student-rest of the students and teachers was knocked-out by the flu.
BUT in none of these situation did Denmark or Sweden order a total lock down of the society.
YES, Corona is more contagious than the flu and yes the death rate seems to be a lot higher than the flu.
They use to develop vaccine to a flu season-which use to help much, little or not having an effect.
Yesterday I was told in our news channel, that this new medicin they are going to test on some very sick Danish patients, have earlier been used on patients who have had Ebola, Sars og Mers with some success.
This have made me wonder, if this Corona is more deadly than we think it is.
I could of course be totally wrong.
Markus
Jimbuna
03-29-20, 01:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-4iQd9O3PQ
Jimbuna
03-29-20, 01:33 PM
A hospital consultant has become one of the first senior medics in the UK after contracting coronavirus.
The family of Amged El-Hawrani thanked his NHS colleagues for working "tirelessly" to save him.
Mr El-Hawrani's death comes after London-based surgeon Dr Adil El Tayar died last Wednesday.
An ear, nose and throat consultant at the University Hospitals of Derby and Burton, Mr El-Hawrani died at Glenfield Hospital in Leicester, on Saturday.
Another doctor, GP Habib Zaidi, died in intensive care at Southend Hospital, Essex, on Wednesday while being treated for suspected coronavirus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52084915
Buddahaid
03-29-20, 02:26 PM
Buddahaid and vienna and Aktung could be in this for a long time:
MARCH 19, 2020
CALIFORNIA ISSUES ORDERS FOR RESIDENTS TO STAY HOME
https://www.laweekly.com/california-issues-immediate-shelter-in-place-for-all-residents/
That's a great order but it directs you to a CISA website that is anything but a simple list of what are the essential services Joe Schmucko can stick in his wallet. I just went to Home Depot this morning to get a can of paint mixed. Is that an essential business? I mean if your plumbing is wrecked it would be.
https://www.cisa.gov/identifying-critical-infrastructure-during-covid-19
ikalugin
03-29-20, 02:38 PM
Another +20 percent growth in cases today, most (70 percent) of the new cases are in Moscow. This means that we are probably looking at doubling the number of cases every 4 days and now mostly secondary infections within the country. We can look at the US to see how this sort of thing affects a country.
I guess we were a bit late with the quarantine as we would be seeing that growth being maintained over the next days-weeks probably by inertia of already exposed people developing symptoms or being tested.
Othewise from tommorow the city is on the now standard lock down, you are not allowed to go outside unless on urgent business etc. Without it and if the current rates keep up we could be looking at NYC tier problem for Moscow in 2 weeks and the health care system completely overwhelmed in 4.
kraznyi_oktjabr
03-29-20, 02:42 PM
They use to develop vaccine to a flu season-which use to help much, little or not having an effect.Markus, Are you talking about common cold/flu (bleeindg nose, maybe fewer and couching) or influenza (much more serious disease)? They are developing vaccines for influenza, but I'm not aware of major vaccination campaings for common cold.
Yesterday I was told in our news channel, that this new medicin they are going to test on some very sick Danish patients, have earlier been used on patients who have had Ebola, Sars og Mers with some success.
This have made me wonder, if this Corona is more deadly than we think it is.Here are some statistics:
Disease | Cases | Deaths | Fatality (d/c)
COVID-19 | 712,000+ | 33,500+ | 4,7%
MERS | 2,519 | 866 | 11,5%
SARS | 8,098 | 774 | 9,6%
These are calculated based on Wikipedia data. Keep in mind that at the momen COVID-19 data is incomplete and propably inaccurate. Atleast it seems to be much more contagious than MERS or SARS but we do not yet know how fatal it will be.
I would not draw too much conclusions from medicines that are used. When purpose designed medicine is not available or it does not work, then something else have to tried. For example my migraine medication is combination of blood pressure and epilepsy medication.
^ It was the influenza I was talking about.
Markus
Buddahaid
03-29-20, 03:00 PM
Let's not lose sight of the fact those other flu's that kill all the seniors in an average year are still with us and now Covid-19 is on top of that. Yes, Covid-19 will take a chunk out of the deaths by the other flu's but it will still strain treatment options for those flu's. Oh yes, and the isolation orders will also help reduce the other flu's.
Skybird
03-29-20, 04:19 PM
First hospital in Germany, in Wolfsburg (home of VW), has declard a patient admission stop due to Corona.
Platapus
03-29-20, 04:50 PM
There are things I really can't figure out in all this.
...
YES, Corona is more contagious than the flu and yes the death rate seems to be a lot higher than the flu.
...
This have made me wonder, if this Corona is more deadly than we think it is.
Markus
Sounds like you have a good understanding.
Mr Quatro
03-29-20, 06:06 PM
It was 2,228 deaths when I woke up this morning
United States cases
Updated Mar 29 at 3:57 PM
Confirmed cases 138,879
Deaths 2,438
Say 210 deaths a day plus it doubles every 3 or 4 days = over 3,000 by April 1st Wednesday or is that the total that doubles every three or four days?
Shearwater
03-29-20, 06:36 PM
Something that might be of interest for everyone around here:
I had myself tested yesterday, and it turns out I am positive (i.e. I have the virus).
Basically the only symptom I have was that I lost my sense of smell for a couple of days
This was last Sunday, it's coming back now. It doesn't feel at all like when you can't smell because of a cold, since my nose is completely unobstructed. There was also a slight tingling sensation in and around the nose. Apart from that, I'm feeling fine. I've read that this is not unusual for relatively mild cases.
So - if you're feeling like this, you might want to get tested, if not for yourself, then for those around you.
Stay safe and healthy, and all the best :ping:
Mr Quatro
03-29-20, 06:47 PM
Something that might be of interest for everyone around here:
I had myself tested yesterday, and it turns out I am positive (i.e. I have the virus).
Basically the only symptom I have was that I lost my sense of smell for a couple of days
This was last Sunday, it's coming back now. It doesn't feel at all like when you can't smell because of a cold, since my nose is completely unobstructed. There was also a slight tingling sensation in and around the nose. Apart from that, I'm feeling fine. I've read that this is not unusual for relatively mild cases.
So - if you're feeling like this, you might want to get tested, if not for yourself, then for those around you.
Stay safe and healthy, and all the best :ping:
Sorry to hear this Shearwater
Hope everything turns out well for you
Keep us posted
Your the first member to contract the virus :yep:
That is usualy the case. Here I am told it is an educated guess and the seasonal flu vaccines (which seniors like myself get free) usually cover the three most likely strains that the experts feel will be present.
Same here in the US; flu shots for seniors are free and the vaccines are base on "best guesses"; there were a couple of years where the strain that did come around weren't on the "best guesses" list, but, fortunately, I didn't get the flu in those years...
Part of the problem with virus vaccines is the fact a lot of viruses do mutate very quickly and it is hard to determine what, if any, formulation will be effective. There is also the fact viruses are the Schrodinger's Cat of infections: they aren't self-viable whole life-forms and they are fully chemical, so they are neither alive or inert and they adapt and mutate so quickly and unpredictably, just when you've got a fix on one strain, its already moved on to another variant; its kind of like trying to pick up mercury with tweezers...
Buddahaid and vienna and Aktung could be in this for a long time:
MARCH 19, 2020
CALIFORNIA ISSUES ORDERS FOR RESIDENTS TO STAY HOME
https://www.laweekly.com/california-issues-immediate-shelter-in-place-for-all-residents/
The California Governor, Gavin Newsom, has all along been warning the lock-down could be quite lengthy, so its not really big news for us in CA. I don't know about up north, but down here in the south, people seem to, for the most part, be adapting to the new 'real'. As the days have gone by, a sort of organic template seems to have developed for handling the inconveniences and restrictions and I don't think an extension of a lock down will be any different to us now...
I've got to say one thing: Newsom has been a bit of a pleasant surprise; I really didn't expect much of him, but he has been very forthcoming with plain, simple facts, the good and the bad, not filtered through personal or party politics and has been very reassuring for the citizens of the state. I watched his daily Covid-19 briefings and each has been very detailed about the state of the crisis and the efforts being taken to deal with it. He's earning a lot of points for himself without making himself the point...
The same goes for the Mayor of Los Angeles, Eric Garcetti, who has taken a similar approach of just plain facts and no filter in his own daily briefings regarding LA's conditions and efforts. I didn't think much of him before, but now I have more respect for him, too...
There is something reassuring about just being told the straight truth in times of uncertainty...
I have been wondering about one thing: I have mentioned before I was laid out with some severe illness that lasted about a month or more just at the start of the year and I recall someone else making reference to some similar lengthy illness as well. My case felt like neither a flu or a cold but seemed to be akin to both and, yet, not the same as either; I wonder if I might not have had a case of the virus back then... :hmmm:
<O>
Something that might be of interest for everyone around here:
I had myself tested yesterday, and it turns out I am positive (i.e. I have the virus).
Basically the only symptom I have was that I lost my sense of smell for a couple of days
This was last Sunday, it's coming back now. It doesn't feel at all like when you can't smell because of a cold, since my nose is completely unobstructed. There was also a slight tingling sensation in and around the nose. Apart from that, I'm feeling fine. I've read that this is not unusual for relatively mild cases.
So - if you're feeling like this, you might want to get tested, if not for yourself, then for those around you.
Stay safe and healthy, and all the best :ping:
I saw your post after making my last post...
I also wish you the best in dealing with the virus and hope you make a full recovery. Do you have any idea where you may have come in contact with the virus?...
Again, take care and follow doctor's orders... :salute:
<O>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9VlKiOLLW0
Sorry to post two of these vids if it offends.
Beau is very hard to pin down, so it makes it tough to trust what he says.
I trust the guy maybe 51%, he's let me down in the past (I'm not into anarchy or social re-alignments).
He just knows how to flesh out a topic. :up:
Skybird
03-30-20, 05:27 AM
Your the first member to contract the virus :yep:
That is not certain at all. We all do not know whether we have it or had it. Even ifwe tested negatively, we could hjave gotten it after the test date.
We all must consider ourselves as "compromised".
;) Hence, the masks.
ikalugin
03-30-20, 06:05 AM
Another day, another 20 percent growth in reported cases in Russia, most of those in Moscow. Still on that doubling every 4 days trajectory.
Jimbuna
03-30-20, 07:46 AM
Prince Charles 'in good health' and out of self-isolation.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is due to go into quarantine after a close aide tested positive for coronavirus.
Spain's Foreign Minister, Arancha González, has told the BBC the country's latest national figures show the virus’s upwards curve appears to be flattening out.
The Spanish authorities have confirmed 6,398 more cases of coronavirus. This brings the total to 85,195 - higher than that of China, where the outbreak began.
Another 812 deaths have also been reported. The national total now stands at 7,340, making Spain the worst-affected country in the world behind Italy.
ikalugin
03-30-20, 09:28 AM
https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kremlin.ru%2Fevents%2Fpresident %2Fnews%2F63084
Big conference of regional executive branch people with Putin, you can see where the wind is blowing from here. To sum it up - the idea is to flatten the curve and to support the regular people through those measures.
Skybird
03-30-20, 09:40 AM
World Useless Organization once again displayed its uselessness by claiming again Covid-19 cannot be transmitted via air, and 1m social distancing being enough. Well, they are really worth for nothing, arent they. The MIT meanwhile reports this: it has found that "viral droplets expelled in coughs and sneezes can travel in a moist, warm atmosphere at speeds of 10-30 meters per second, creating a cloud that can span approximately 8-10 meters".
They also warn of droplets hanging in and floating around in the air for hours.
You know what I say now, guys, don't you.
Wear your f###ing face masks!!!
especially when entering closed rooms like supermarkets, offices. Czech Republic since 10 days or so has a law demanding you must wear a face mask when moving in public spaces. Austria has ruled that froim Wednesday on you must wear a face masks when wantign to enter a supermarket. 2 bn Asians are wondering why Westerners are too stupid and too dumb to wear face masks.
I go even further again and say you should not feel save even when walking on the street behind somebody else who is 10 or 15 meters ahead of you. In a few seconds you will pass through the space he has just walked through and breathed out into, and you then inhale that aerosole he has exhaled. The windier the weather, the better for you, the less wind and the more stale the air stands in the streets, the higher the risk. Man, this is plain thinking, this is healthy reason, why must such obvious, self-explanatory things even be explained or debated about...? And if you talk to somebody, you want the wind not in your face, but in your rear, at least from the side - but not in your face.
This episode has good information on how to sterilize a used face mask. I now, its not not poerfect to even consider that, but the time saare not poefretc either and N95 and FFP masks are in sort supply and very expebnsive currently. We need to work with what is avialable, and we want to make it lasting as long as possible. Pefections we can have on an other day. Not now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w9M6K9vSUM
"Letting the mask cooling down in sunlight for some days" - the video says 9 days, but if the virus lasts on steel and plastic for just 3-4 days, and on cardbox for 24 hours, I do not see why it should last 9 days in and on a N95 or FFP2/3 filter material.
Jimbuna
03-30-20, 10:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WExIqWUvQyY
Jimbuna
03-30-20, 11:24 AM
President Trump says a new, rapid test will come out next week.
Study suggests 59,000 lives have been saved across 11 European countries due to government curbs.
The Hungarian government has been granted the power to rule by decree, prompting an outcry from human rights groups.
New dates for the Tokyo Olympics have been announced: 23 July to 8 August 2021.
In the UK, some 20,000 former NHS staff have returned to work.
There are now more than 730,000 infections globally and almost 35,000 deaths.
Jeff-Groves
03-30-20, 01:43 PM
There are now more than 730,000 infections globally and almost 35,000 deaths.
So given that death rate.
Say there are 7.5 Billion people on Earth and we should expect 1+ billion to die.
:o
Given that things go from bad to worse looting and roaming Gangs start?
That number could easily triple. If not higher.
Jimbuna
03-30-20, 02:06 PM
So given that death rate.
Say there are 7.5 Billion people on Earth and we should expect 1+ billion to die.
:o
Given that things go from bad to worse looting and roaming Gangs start?
That number could easily triple. If not higher.
I might soon be coming over to Ohio because all I have is a baseball bat and a samurai sword :03:
Buddahaid
03-30-20, 02:11 PM
I might soon be coming over to Ohio because all I have is a baseball bat and a samurai sword :03:
Where's your narwhal tusk?
1. Trump expect up to x-millions American will die from this Corona virus-the expert disagree.
2. Here in Denmark they are not only going to expand the test on people, they will also start testing people to see if these have developed anti-something and if so they can return to work.
(I'm not a doctor, so I don't know what that mean)
Someone said:
There are citizens who have some kind of immunity against Corona.
Markus
Jimbuna
03-30-20, 02:41 PM
Where's your narwhal tusk?
I left that on London Bridge.
@mapuc...
Re #2:
What is being referenced is anti-bodies; these are produced by the human body's immune system to combat diseases; persons who have had the Covid-19 infection and have survived will have a degree of antibodies in their system; in some infections, the blood elements form a previously infected but now healthy, and presumed to thus have an immunity, person are transferred to persons fighting the virus in the hopes of stimulating the victim's immune system to either begin or increase the production of their own antibodies and thus hasten recovery and healing. When you get a vaccination, a very mild form of a disease, sometime even an inert form of a disease, is injected into your system to cause your body to generate antibodies for that specific disease and create an immunity to the disease, so, when you get a flu vaccination, a form of flu strains are injected to decrease or eliminate your chance of catching the flu...
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Catfish
03-30-20, 02:54 PM
So given that death rate.
Say there are 7.5 Billion people on Earth and we should expect 1+ billion to die.
:o
Given that things go from bad to worse looting and roaming Gangs start?
That number could easily triple. If not higher.
It's all fake, some super genius said its only a flu. Be positive :D
Mr Quatro
03-30-20, 04:15 PM
It's all fake, some super genius said its only a flu. Be positive :D
Too busy to look it up, but someone just died that said the same thing. :hmmm:
He died of Covid-17 :yep:
Skybird
03-30-20, 04:30 PM
Instead of learning from Taiwan, the West and the world and the WHO let people die in scores on behalf of cowardly "One-China-policy", which always was a dud to just duck away where the only answer would have been to show spine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52088167
We accept to let our own citizens die just so not to unsettle our Chinese masters in Bejing.
There were times when this would have been seen if not as an act of war then at least as high treason and collaboration with a hostile enemy.
Our policy towards China kills our people.
Skybird
03-30-20, 04:36 PM
After the Czech Republic and Austria, Jena now becomes the first german city making the wearing of masks mandatory. Citizens are expected to make their own ones where needed.
Even German expert virologist Drosten today gets quoted in an interview that recently he walked in Berlin and could not believe that he was the only one in public wearing a mask. It seems he has fundamentally changed his mind on something...
Tip of the day: the cardbox inlay inside a roll of toilet paper makes perfect door openers so that you must not touch the doorgrips.
Rockstar
03-30-20, 04:46 PM
Finland may have an answer to a healthy innate immune system. The sauna!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRwnhfWXxo
Oh by the way.
Some FB-friend had shared some video which claimed that Smokers did not get so sick if they got infected, in fact the person behind this video, claimed that nikotin killed the Corona virus
Another thing, some of you mentioned that you was tested positive and others said that you where the first person here in our forum
According to my older thread
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=244222
Are the already one of you who have been infected, which mean two members on this forum have Corona.
Markus
Oh by the way.
Some FB-friend had shared some video which claimed that Smokers did not get so sick if they got infected, in fact the person behind this video, claimed that nikotin killed the Corona virus
This would explain why I see more people smoking than vaping now, neighbour near me is clearly smoking a lot more than the normal amount. But i am going to put 99% of them in what the heck if the virus is going to kill may as well have a good puff. The 1% are the fools who believe that crap on social media.
^ True, I put in the conspiracy category.
There where many of his friend who said this to him-garbage nothing more or less.
Markus
FB and the rest are supposed to remove that sort of thing fast, question is how fast and do they? :hmmm:
^ I did not see the video, I could by reading his bulletin and his friends comment that this video was about smokers had better chance against Corona and nikotin killed Corona virus.
I have not tried to find it again, though I'm not interested. So I don't know if it's still there or not
My comment was merely a sort of an update on what type of conspiracy that flows on social media
Markus
^Mapuc, just a observation as i have no interest in social media.
Week one of lock down here in the UK completed next week two here we go.
Same here in Denmark. The Prime minister said on a press meeting:
If the situation improve the next two weeks, the government will slowly open the society again it will happen i small steps.
If the situation get worse until then or the situation get worse after this slowly opening of the society-they will strengthen the lock down and expand it.
Markus
So given that death rate.
Say there are 7.5 Billion people on Earth and we should expect 1+ billion to die.
:o
Given that things go from bad to worse looting and roaming Gangs start?
That number could easily triple. If not higher.
That is not the death rate for this virus. That might be the death rate for those sick enough to go to the hospital but it's not the overall death rate.
Platapus
03-30-20, 07:01 PM
That is not the death rate for this virus. That might be the death rate for those sick enough to go to the hospital but it's not the overall death rate.
Yeah, that would mean a mortality rate of 13%. Fortunately we are not facing that.
skidman
03-30-20, 07:55 PM
We accept to let our own citizens die just so not to unsettle our Chinese masters in Bejing.
OK. You have crossed the red line. Reading your posts from the last couple of days it's obvious (to me at least) that your mind is more and more controlled by anger and fear. I suggest that you take a break. I'm serious. This is a tough situation for all of us: We are facing a new menace and we are trying our best to cope with it. Most of us are trying to make reasonable decisions. And your Mr.-Know-It-All-attitude is not helpful.
I'm not a fan of the dictatorial regime in the PR of China but we have to admit they have done surprisingly well since the onset of the outbreak. Nobody in Europe actually knows to what extent their statistics are faked, but if the situation over there was still as catastrophic as in Italy and Spain atm, we would hear about it.
Politics of the Western world regarding Taiwan is cautious and well balanced in order to keep Pandora's box shut. Maybe you should talk to people from both sides (PR and Taiwan) to get a better estimate how much is at stake there. Both sides are playing a double game, but that's beyond the scope of this thread.
But our policy towards the PR of China in conjunction with the Corona crisis is not killing anybody in Europe or any other Western country. That is simply utter BS.
A last remark on this mask wearing problem that is driving you crazy: As a biologist with at least some knowledge of microbiology, molecular genetics and epidemiology I have made this decision:
I'm not wearing a mask, because in my present situation (helping our staff and our customers with their home office / vpn / video conferencing setup 12 to 14 hours per day remotely and on-site, traveling by public transport to a great extent) I would need lots and lots of them. We are lacking masks and they should be primarily available to the health personnel. This doesn't mean I am taking unnecessary risks. I keep the mandated distance, I wash and disinfect my hands as often as I can and I am wearing gloves when using someone else's keyboard/mouse/laptop.
I just talked to a friend who knows how to operate a sewing machine and she offered to make some masks for me. I opted for the flower pattern and the blue ribbons.
Again: I made a reasonable assessment and the last thing I need is someone sitting on his bum, vigorously hacking his hate and anguish into his computer claiming he is the only one who gets it right.
Skybird
03-31-20, 04:24 AM
OK. You have crossed the red line. Reading your posts from the last couple of days it's obvious (to me at least) that your mind is more and more controlled by anger and fear. I suggest that you take a break. I'm serious. This is a tough situation for all of us: We are facing a new menace and we are trying our best to cope with it. Most of us are trying to make reasonable decisions. And your Mr.-Know-It-All-attitude is not helpful.
I'm not a fan of the dictatorial regime in the PR of China but we have to admit they have done surprisingly well since the onset of the outbreak. Nobody in Europe actually knows to what extent their statistics are faked, but if the situation over there was still as catastrophic as in Italy and Spain atm, we would hear about it.
Politics of the Western world regarding Taiwan is cautious and well balanced in order to keep Pandora's box shut. Maybe you should talk to people from both sides (PR and Taiwan) to get a better estimate how much is at stake there. Both sides are playing a double game, but that's beyond the scope of this thread.
But our policy towards the PR of China in conjunction with the Corona crisis is not killing anybody in Europe or any other Western country. That is simply utter BS.
A last remark on this mask wearing problem that is driving you crazy: As a biologist with at least some knowledge of microbiology, molecular genetics and epidemiology I have made this decision:
I'm not wearing a mask, because in my present situation (helping our staff and our customers with their home office / vpn / video conferencing setup 12 to 14 hours per day remotely and on-site, traveling by public transport to a great extent) I would need lots and lots of them. We are lacking masks and they should be primarily available to the health personnel. This doesn't mean I am taking unnecessary risks. I keep the mandated distance, I wash and disinfect my hands as often as I can and I am wearing gloves when using someone else's keyboard/mouse/laptop.
I just talked to a friend who knows how to operate a sewing machine and she offered to make some masks for me. I opted for the flower pattern and the blue ribbons.
Again: I made a reasonable assessment and the last thing I need is someone sitting on his bum, vigorously hacking his hate and anguish into his computer claiming he is the only one who gets it right.
Obviously not half as reasonable as you think you are, for example "mandatory distances", the MIT had just somethign to say on these and the just cinformed what I say since weeks. Or to use mask after mask after mask while I just said the opposite and to manage limited resoucres. On Taiwan you disagree, okay, so be it, bit I stick to what I say abiout China, and say since long: they are not our allies and not our friends and nnever were and most likely never will be, since they are econmic rivals and military enemies in the future.
But okay, keep your closet door shut.Its yours, not mine. ;)
P.S. Masks, you wise man, do not only protect you from others, they also protect the others FROM YOU. Because you do not know whether you are infected or not, and cnanot know until you do not test yourself every day new. Thast why in German hspitals staff in corona treatnment gets tested at least every second day. I said that I prepared already before all this started, but even now you can buy masks at ebay from stocks that hospitals do not try to aquire due to the prices. That you still run yround and defnd to not wear maks and accept that you run around and infest other,s is unexcusable and the same nonsense that catfish unto, ecently has spread. You are wrong there, Mr. Biologist. Even plain reasons fails you on this issue. If you really hjav ered evertyhign that I repeatedly poste dont hsi issue to overcome foolish opinions like yours, you can see what ther eis to do: get any kind of mask, protect yourself, protect others fro yourself, an issue of politeness isnt it, and do nto act as if it were a perfect world and ideal conditions: sterilize your maks and use it repeatedly. Make the best of the ressources avialable. They do like this in hospitals, out of need. It gets increaisngly recommend. States slowly sneak towards making masks mandatory to wear.
And you still dare to tell people thy should maximum expose themselves and should carry on infest others? Have you noticed what the implciation of that MIT study is, a concluison that already plain reasons dictates, thats why I tell it since weeks earlier already? 8m, THAT is your social distance. And it is pratcially impossible inside buldiygs to maintain, even ont he street it is difficult. The WHO talks BS.
You may want to watch the latest video by Martenson I linked above, he has a far more sane and reaosnable and knowjng approach to these thigns thna you. yours simply is irresponisble.
Jimbuna
03-31-20, 04:44 AM
American Airlines, one of the world's richest carriers, says it will apply for $12bn (Ł9.7bn) in government aid.
British Airways is suspending all flights from London's Gatwick airport, the UK's second busiest.
UK health officials says the nationwide stay at home advice is "making a difference"
The virus has killed more than 33,000 people around the world, says the WHO.
President Trump says the US will have enough ventilators to meet demand.
The World Bank says "significant economic pain seems unavoidable" in the Asia Pacific region.
New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo says the scale of coronavirus deaths is "staggering"
Jimbuna
03-31-20, 04:51 AM
Sales of groceries in the UK in March beat all previous records as shoppers stocked up for a long period at home, according to consumer analysts Kantar.
The busiest spell was 16-19 March, when 88% of households visited a food store, adding up to 42 million extra trips across four days.
In the last four weeks, year-on-year supermarket sales grew by 20.6%.
Kantar's Fraser McKevitt said Ł10.8bn sales in the past four weeks were "even higher than levels seen at Christmas".
The figures have mainly risen because of people making extra shopping trips, rather than spending more on each visit.
The average household spent an extra Ł62.92 during the past four weeks, equivalent to adding five days' worth of groceries.
London had the biggest increase, with grocery spending up by 26% during the month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52102906
Hardly surprising and probably predictable.
Skybird
03-31-20, 05:24 AM
German Robert-Koch-Institute says they ran 350 thousand tests last week. That is the current maximum possible with current laboratories. If true, i am impressed, just one week ago they still were at 160 thousand, and one week or ten days before that they said 80 thousand.
More German cities consider making the wearing of face masks mandatory. Better late than never! Health experts in the coalition government also have started to publicly consider and demanding it two, three days ago.
Drosten has explained why for so long time the number of fatalities and severe cases was so low in Germany. He said Germany started tracking earlier than anyone else in Europe, and the infection was imported by German ski tourists in the Alps, Italy and Austria. These for the main were young and mid-age people with sporting health and strong physis, therefore many of them were able to fight the desease off quite easily. Now that the infection has spread into the ordinary population, death rates and number of severe cases have started to rise.
And in Italy the trend now is clear and verified: they are successfully flattening the curve!
Skybird
03-31-20, 05:58 AM
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sueddeutsche.de%2Fpolitik%2Fco ronavirus-mundschutz-pflicht-maske-1.4863483
^ This newspaper is one of Germany's most left-leaning national newspapers - and even they come around.
And finally, one thing. You should not just protect the others from yourself, but also should prpotect yourself form the others. If you do not become ill, you stay healthy - and by that you do not become a burden for the hosptials and nurses and doctors.
To protect yourself, to stay healthy yourself this way can be seen as everyone's civil duty.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 06:15 AM
https://iz.ru/993698/2020-03-31/gosduma-priniala-zakon-ob-ugolovnom-nakazanii-za-narushenie-karantina?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https://yandex.ru/news
Russian parliament passes law with harsh punishments for qurantine breakers. Around 10 Moscow median wages or 1-2 years in prison for violation, more if it lead to infections and deaths of others.
https://rospotrebnadzor.ru/about/info/news/news_details.php?ELEMENT_ID=14147
Today 27 percent growth in cases has been reported, most of them in Moscow
https://translate.google.ru/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=https%3A%2F%2Fcovid19.rosminzdrav.ru%2F
Official website covering COVID-19 situation in Russia
Skybird
03-31-20, 06:34 AM
Russian parliament passes law with harsh punishments for qurantine breakers. Around 10 Moscow median wages or 1-2 years in prison for violation, more if it lead to infections and deaths of others.
Thats the way to go. Ignoring quarantine orders should be treated as "negligent slaughter". Personal freedom ends where it claims the right to seirously harm others, even bringing them to death or lasting health deficits for the rest of their lives.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 06:42 AM
Thats the way to go. Ignoring quarantine orders should be treated as "negligent slaughter". Personal freedom ends where it claims the right to seirously harm others, even bringing them to death or lasting health deficits for the rest of their lives.
In principle I agree, but I can see how such a law can be abused in Russia.
Otherwise it does make sense as a part of the overall legal package, the moment we have seen signs of mass transmission within Russia we quickly introduced quarantine (on the 30th in Moscow under the authority of the Moscow governor, on 31st in many other regions after Putin authorised it on the big conference on 30th) so it makes sense as part of the package. Overall it took around 6 days for all the legal preparations it seems.
u crank
03-31-20, 06:47 AM
And finally, one thing. You should not just protect the others from yourself, but also should prpotect yourself form the others. If you do not become ill, you stay healthy - and by that you do not become a burden for the hosptials and nurses and doctors.
To protect yourself, to stay healthy yourself this way can be seen as everyone's civil duty.
The sad part of this whole exercise is that the virus will not be spread by responsible citizens. It will be spread by the stupids, those that just don't care or those who are clueless about the severity of it all. Every society has more than enough of these types.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 06:50 AM
The sad part of this whole exercise is that the virus will not be spread by responsible citizens. It will be spread by the stupids, those that just don't care or those who are clueless about the severity of it all. Every society has more than enough of these types.
Remember patient 31 from ROK?
American Airlines, one of the world's richest carriers, says it will apply for $12bn (Ł9.7bn) in government aid.
British Airways is suspending all flights from London's Gatwick airport, the UK's second busiest.
UK health officials says the nationwide stay at home advice is "making a difference"
The virus has killed more than 33,000 people around the world, says the WHO.
President Trump says the US will have enough ventilators to meet demand.
The World Bank says "significant economic pain seems unavoidable" in the Asia Pacific region.
New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo says the scale of coronavirus deaths is "staggering"
The American Airlines item is most annoying; it seems there will be little, if any, US government oversight of the "stimulus" fund disbursement since the administration is reusing to honor the letter and spirit of the law calling for transparency and responsibility...
In California, the ventilators sent from Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) were found, upon receipt to be broken and Governor Newsom had to find a means of having them repaired immediately; it was fortunate that some private industries/companies stepped up and offered to do the repairs for free...
Elsewhere in the US, states are waiting for the Administration-promised disbursement of urgently needed medical equipment, including ventilators; companies who manufacture the items say they have inventory ready to be shipped but have yet to hear from FEMA as to where and in what quantities the items are to be shipped...
An engineering postgraduate student at the University of California Los Angeles (UCLA) responded to a world-wide challenge to engineers to create an easy to build DIY ventilator for hospital use; he came up with a prototype made from items to be found in a good-sized hardware store; it may look a bit like a Rube Goldberg imagining, but the science and engineering behind the prototype is sound:
UCLA Engineer Made a Ventilator from Hardware Items --
https://gineersnow.com/engineering/bio-medical/ucla-engineer-made-a-ventilator-from-hardware-items
If for some reason you are unable to view the embedded video in the above article, here is the YT clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRA0lanE5L0
A number of medical supply companies have expressed interest in the engineer's prototype and work is now being done to recreate the device using medical grade materials and, after some tests, it is hoped to produce similar devices quickly to aid in relieving the ventilator shortages...
The scale of deaths is staggering, indeed; the latest US expert estimates are a possible high of 200,000 deaths in the US this year alone; as a bit of perspective, that total would be more than three times the total fatalities of over 58,000 suffered by the US during the entire Vietnam War which lasted over all about 20 years...
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Skybird
03-31-20, 07:00 AM
From 20:00 on you can listen to two really remarkably stupid women. I actually enjoyed listenign to them, like I enjoyed watching Police Academy 1 in my teen years and laughed with tears in my eyes. In Martenson'S words: "I rate this as self-inflicted wounds."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Gy9nPAQE0
ikalugin
03-31-20, 07:03 AM
https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommersant.ru%2Fdoc%2F4309267
QR code passes in Moscow.
Thats the way to go. Ignoring quarantine orders should be treated as "negligent slaughter". Personal freedom ends where it claims the right to seirously harm others, even bringing them to death or lasting health deficits for the rest of their lives.
Some local jurisdictions are beginning to get serious about the idiot scofflaws:
NJ Couple Charged With Child Endangerment for Party During Pandemic --
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nj-couple-charged-with-child-endangerment-for-party-during-pandemic
Florida Pastor Arrested for Defying Social Distancing Ordinance --
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/florida-pastor-arrested-for-defying-social-distancing-rule.html
Then, there is the justice of kharma:
11 Liberty University students report COVID-19 signs after return to campus --
https://theweek.com/5things/905554/nearly-dozen-liberty-university-students-report-covid19-symptoms-after-returning-campus
Liberty University student tests positive for Covid-19 after Falwell reopens campus --
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/liberty-university-coronavirus-student-positive-jerry-falwell-jr
One can almost hear the personal injury lawyers salivating over the chance to file suits on behalf of those students; the main hope is none of the students will have to pay an ultimate price for the idiocy of Falwell...
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u crank
03-31-20, 07:28 AM
Remember patient 31 from ROK?
One of the stupids. :nope:
Here's a case that happened here. A family of four arrived at Charlottetown airport from a Caribbean holiday. This was just before all eating establishments here were closed but warnings were being given at the airport about self isolation. These idiots went directly from the airport to a popular eating spot. They began talking about their trip and patrons sitting near them began to move to other tables. Finally all the other people literally shamed them out of the restaurant.
Stupidity. Ingnorance. Recklessness. It doesn't really matter. For sure the virus does't care.
Catfish
03-31-20, 07:40 AM
Wonder how long it takes until Fauci gets fired.
Jimbuna
03-31-20, 07:43 AM
'Virus-fighting' scientist gets magnets stuck in nose
An Australian astrophysicist who hoped to create a device to help stop people catching the coronavirus has ended up in hospital - after getting magnets stuck up his nose.
Dr Daniel Reardon came up with a plan to create a necklace which would react if your hands were near your face.
Unfortunately, the device did not work quite as planned.
"My invention had the opposite effect – it buzzed continuously until a magnet was put close."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-52094804
Good to be able to post something funny about this serious situation we are all facing.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 07:46 AM
Russia is just late to the party.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656437036835667988/694515507495436288/unknown.png
Jimbuna
03-31-20, 08:03 AM
I'm not sure I believe anything Russia puts out is much more truthful than that of China but that's just me I guess.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 08:11 AM
It would be non trivial to hide thousands of people in ICU and then thousands of people dying. My opinion is simple - through tight border security and low income (and thus low travel) we got some time before it became bad here and now we are catching up.
If anything unlike many of the other countries releasing emergency powers to the executive branch we did not do this to the same extent and we had significant internal criticism of the cases where there was over reach (ie in Moscow) by regional executive authorities.
In fact we even have pushed the vote that will reset the presidential terms further into the future due to the COVID-19.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 08:43 AM
In the other news. Putin may have been exposed to COVID-19.
Onkel Neal
03-31-20, 09:02 AM
The sad part of this whole exercise is that the virus will not be spread by responsible citizens. It will be spread by the stupids, those that just don't care or those who are clueless about the severity of it all. Every society has more than enough of these types.
Yep, foolish, selfish and reckless people will cause the suffering of the rest. Imagine you're watching TV, and your wife passes out. You call 911, they are delayed because of covid-19 cases taking time, delayed from timer spent cleaning their vehicle and equipment; you get to the hospital, the waiting room is packed with coughing, sick people; the doctor is delayed because he has 15 covid-19 cases where with the flu he usually has 2. Everything is slowed and delayed, they may not even have a bed. You have to wait for the catscan machine, there are a line of patients getting their lungs examined.
Two years ago that happened to me; I had a surgery, then a week later had a delayed adverse reaction to a blood transfusion. Rushed to the ER, they did not have an open bed, we were told there were an unusually high number of flu cases (normal flu, the kind I don't think I ever contracted), so off to another hospital and same thing, no rooms; and my doctor had to wrangle to get me in. That was during normal non-covid times. Now take a look at the areas that are affected with covid-19 now, it's 10x worse.
Thankfully, most people have enough sense to see where we would be without the lockdowns and emphasis on distancing.
The scale of deaths is staggering, indeed; the latest US expert estimates are a possible high of 200,000 deaths in the US this year alone; as a bit of perspective, that total would be more than three times the total fatalities of over 58,000 suffered by the US during the entire Vietnam War which lasted over all about 20 years...
I agree with you.
Edit: I meant to add, if we as a society manage to keep the numbers down and this passes, there will be some people who compare it to Y2K, "this was a big nothing".
One can almost hear the personal injury lawyers salivating over the chance to file suits on behalf of those students; the main hope is none of the students will have to pay an ultimate price for the idiocy of Falwell...
Before you condemn Falwell & Liberty University, you should look a little deeper into why the University remained "open", and the precautions taken for the students that did remain. here's a hint, that university has a large contingent of international Students.
Jimbuna
03-31-20, 10:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV72c3l_0jo
Mr Quatro
03-31-20, 10:45 AM
When did they start counting? The end of February perhaps
United States March 31st 2020
Confirmed cases of Covid-19
165,594
Deaths from Covid-19
3,180
So I got to wondering about the 2019 to 2020 normal flu season
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/03/27/Flu-COVID-19-pose-dual-threat-to-health-as-winter-season-closes-CDC-says/8851585320945/
March 27 (UPI) -- The flu has taken a backseat to COVID-19 in the minds of Americans, particularly as the winter season winds down, but its effects are still being felt, according to a report released Friday.
There was a slight uptick in cases of influenza across the country during the week ending March 21, with an estimated 1 million Americans becoming infected. The added cases bring the total for the 2019-20 flu season to an estimated 39 million, according to the latest FluView report from the U.S.
My God the 2019-2020 flu season has already claimed 39 million people :o
See why they think this Covid-19 virus could reach 200,000 this year?
Here's a seed thought what if the people with the normal flu type A and B accidently get Covid-19 while they have the flu?
These numbers are not available, but old people in nursing homes get the flu and pneumonia and die from that alone. Now they have Covid-19 to contend with also.
This could be why so many older generation people are dying for it has been reported that 47% of the people dying from Covid-19 are in the age group of 18 to 47 :hmmm:
Whoops left out this part of the regular season Flu A & B
The agency estimates that 400,000 Americans have required hospitalization for the flu -- up 10,000 from the prior week -- and 24,000 have died, including 155 children
Jeff-Groves
03-31-20, 11:15 AM
Checking on filing unemployment now.
No way I'm going to Pontiac Michigan to work!
Onkel Neal
03-31-20, 11:18 AM
My God the 2019-2020 flu season has already claimed 39 million people :o
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"Claimed" usually means "killed".
In this case, there have been 39 million reported cases, not fatalities.
There was a slight uptick in cases of influenza across the country during the week ending March 21, with an estimated 1 million Americans becoming infected. The added cases bring the total for the 2019-20 flu season to an estimated 39 million, according to the latest FluView report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The agency estimates that 400,000 Americans have required hospitalization for the flu -- up 10,000 from the prior week -- and 24,000 have died, including 155 children, which is a high since the H1N1 flu pandemic in 2009.
Mr Quatro
03-31-20, 11:40 AM
"Claimed" usually means "killed".
In this case, there have been 39 million reported cases, not fatalities.
Sorry my bad :oops:, but such a high number passed on by people leaves no doubt in my mind how dangerous this Covid-19 could become :yep:
Jimbuna
03-31-20, 12:30 PM
Coronavirus: UK considers virus-tracing app to ease lockdown
A coronavirus app that alerts people if they have recently been in contact with someone testing positive for the virus "could play a critical role" in limiting lockdowns, scientists advising the government have said.
The location-tracking tech would enable a week's worth of manual detective work to be done in an instant, they say.
But the academics say no-one should be forced to enrol - at least initially.
UK health chiefs have confirmed they are exploring the idea.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52095331
Eichhörnchen
03-31-20, 01:24 PM
I was just looking through my favourite issue of "World Of Animals"...
https://i.imgur.com/S0iYaFy.jpg... "Most Hunted Pangolin"
In the Far East there seems to be an almost fetishistic interest in eating strange animals. It's bad enough that the Yanks eat squirrels :wah:
Of course, this is only for those who discount the bio warfare theories
Jimbuna
03-31-20, 01:32 PM
Pregnant women to be temporarily released from UK prisons.
BBC newsreader George Alagiah, who is being treated for bowel cancer, has revealed he has had a mild case of coronavirus.
France’s deaths rise by 499 in 24 hours.
Dubai promises financial assistance for Emirates airline.
Jeff-Groves
03-31-20, 01:33 PM
Not ALL Yanks eat tree rats.
Yet.
Eichhörnchen
03-31-20, 01:42 PM
^ :har:
ikalugin
03-31-20, 01:48 PM
Allegedly Russia may send additional aid to US.
Jeff-Groves
03-31-20, 01:58 PM
Allegedly Russia may send additional aid to US.
Since air travel is restricted probably come by boat.
Germans launching U-Boots in an effort to boast moral at home.
:har:
ikalugin
03-31-20, 02:07 PM
Since air travel is restricted probably come by boat.
Germans launching U-Boots in an effort to boast moral at home.
:har:
There was already an An-124 flight.
Probably going to be another An-124 flight.
Jeff-Groves
03-31-20, 02:45 PM
Dihydrogen monoxide is needed to help combat infection.
Skybird
03-31-20, 02:50 PM
Why not again sending Russian help to America if four years ago it worked so well.
Anyhow, there might be a hook in it:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/26/80-of-russias-coronavirus-aid-to-italy-useless-la-stampa-a69756
China does the same, but across Europe the complaints about Chinese masks not fulfilling even mnimum needed quality standards are mounting. Whole and complete delivery volumes have been rejected and sent back.
Skybird
03-31-20, 03:01 PM
German media say they have Corona on USS Theodore Roosevelt (CV).
The US military has already many days ago stopped to report numbers of Corona cases in its forces.
Jeff-Groves
03-31-20, 03:21 PM
Years ago I started writing a Novel about Warring factions.
The lesser foe created a biological weapon that could only be delivered in a living host.
The final weapon was to explode a pilot over the Major population area so the remains rained down in a fine mist.
Should have completed that Novel.
:nope:
Mr Quatro
03-31-20, 03:26 PM
German media say they have Corona on USS Theodore Roosevelt (CV).
The US military has already many days ago stopped to report numbers of Corona cases in its forces.
The USN stopped reporting the names of the ships the virus has been found on, but I think they are still reporting the numbers of people that have Covid-19.
Mr Quatro
03-31-20, 03:38 PM
My boss said that he read somewhere that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention sold the animals they had tested at their center to the same market in Wuhan to make a little money on the side :yep:
Chinese researchers isolated deadly bat coronaviruses near Wuhan animal market
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/?
Chinese officials have said the virus likely spread from wild animals to people at Wuhan’s Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, not far from the Wuhan Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the national center for China’s bat virus research.
British news accounts also reported over the weekend that some of the stalls at China’s so-called “wet” wild animal markets, as they reopen, have begun once again selling bats and scorpions and resumed questionable practices such as slaughtering small animals right at the site.:o
Coronavirus: Aldi, Morrisons, Waitrose and Asda lift some restrictionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52102906
This strikes me a crass move, this is saying go ahead stock pile. I hope not but after what happen I find this troubling as we have long way to go before we see light at the end of the tunnel.
Skybird
03-31-20, 04:26 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52102906
This strikes me a crass move, this is saying go ahead stock pile. I hope not but after what happen I find this troubling as we have long way to go before we see light at the end of the tunnel.
We have had hoarding over here, too, but it has toned down significantly. Nobody can stay super-excited all his life long.
Also, the many home kitchen chefs trying to turn a roll of loo paper into a dish by mixing it with overripe fluid camembert, breading it, and frying it in hot oil, may have taught some people a lesson.
Skybird
03-31-20, 04:32 PM
My boss said that he read somewhere that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention sold the animals they had tested at their center to the same market in Wuhan to make a little money on the side :yep:
Chinese researchers isolated deadly bat coronaviruses near Wuhan animal market
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/?
I have heard the market story, and the wepan la b story, and a mix of it, that workers from a weapon lab story sold animals on the market for an additional income of theirs.
I meanwhile have reserved a final opinion and am not that certain anymore. Its possible, but just one amongst several possible scenarios. Certain only is that the virus stems from a genetic strain linked to animals in China, and that the Chiense missavely lies baout the numbers and the situaiton in Wuhan. Videos get smuggled out that show that the govenrment is in ultratough crackdown mode on everybody who is ifnected, whoc riticises the govenrment, or who reports a case number higher than "0". The party has decided that the story is over, and that is the number that therefore ahs to be reported day for day by suborndate offices. Violate this, and you get fired. Or simply dissappear.
The situation in China is NOT under control. NO WAY that their numbers come even close to the real truth. Absolutely no way.
Skybird
03-31-20, 04:37 PM
The USN stopped reporting the names of the ships the virus has been found on, but I think they are still reporting the numbers of people that have Covid-19.
They reported over here that all armed forces of the US do not report numbers anymore to not encourage potential enemies to launch something stupid when learning how severe - or not - US force strengthd is affected. And it makes sense to hide that, i would think.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 04:39 PM
I mean it is affecting everyone, there are cases in say Russian Armed Forces, even in places like submarines.
Mr Quatro
03-31-20, 05:12 PM
They reported over here that all armed forces of the US do not report numbers anymore to not encourage potential enemies to launch something stupid when learning how severe - or not - US force strengthd is affected. And it makes sense to hide that, i would think.
Nope! The USN is reporting numbers here's one of the latest and the worse case on a USN ship now in port tied up to a pier in Guam. (Guam is also home to several SSBN's submarines with two crews that rotate every 90 days.
But she has no where to go just like the crusie ships that no one wants in their ports.
USS Theodore Roosevelt commander says entire crew needs to be isolated after 200 positive coronavirus tests
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-isolated-coronavirus
In a desperate plea for help, the commanding officer of the deployed aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt says his entire crew of roughly 5,000 sailors needs to be isolated after up to 200 onboard have tested positive for coronavirus.
Three sailors on board the aircraft carrier tested positive last week, the first time the outbreak infected a deployed U.S. warship at sea.
Started off small just three (3) sailors and then 23 and now 200 :o
the carrier will be sidelined in Guam for at least the next "couple of weeks."
ikalugin
03-31-20, 05:13 PM
Why not again sending Russian help to America if four years ago it worked so well.
Anyhow, there might be a hook in it:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/26/80-of-russias-coronavirus-aid-to-italy-useless-la-stampa-a69756
China does the same, but across Europe the complaints about Chinese masks not fulfilling even mnimum needed quality standards are mounting. Whole and complete delivery volumes have been rejected and sent back.
I think it is most like a useful piece of disinformation considering the PR ****storm happening in the EU as it lessens the gain Russia generates.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-soldiers-in-italy-contain-the-coronavirus-and-mark-a-political-shift-11585647002
An interesting article on the topic.
Wonder how long it takes until Fauci gets fired.
So if he doesn't get fired are you going to acknowledge it?
Buddahaid
03-31-20, 05:27 PM
US deaths well past Pearl Harbor and almost equal to the total number of casualties. Just an observation.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 05:35 PM
US deaths well past Pearl Harbor and almost equal to the total number of casualties. Just an observation.
Yes, if we get to 60 percent infected and 2 percent dead this would be on par with a decent war.
Certainly going that way with the economic consequences.
Started off small just three (3) sailors and then 23 and now 200 :o
Yeah sailors operate these ships in mostly sealed environments in extreme close quarters. They sleep in multi tier bunks, they share lavatories and mess facilities. I'd bet the entire crew was exposed within a day or two of the virus coming aboard.
You know back in the old days ships had to raise the plague flag and remain at sea for two weeks until the last case had either died or recovered. I am not saying that's what they should do here but the TRs crew might give us a good indication as to what the true rate of infection will be, at least among younger relatively healthy Americans. Even the Captain the "Old Man" is probably only in his late 30's early 40's.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 06:00 PM
Yeah sailors operate these ships in mostly sealed environments in extreme close quarters. They sleep in multi tier bunks, they share lavatories and mess facilities. I'd bet the entire crew was exposed within a day or two of the virus coming aboard.
You know back in the old days ships had to raise the plague flag and remain at sea for two weeks until the last case had either died or recovered. I am not saying that's what they should do here but the TRs crew might give us a good indication as to what the true rate of infection will be, at least among younger relatively healthy Americans. Even the Captain the "Old Man" is probably only in his late 30's early 40's.
Also air re-circulation. So it is, sadly, normal, I wish USN the best luck with handling this outbreak and the others.
ikalugin
03-31-20, 06:03 PM
Our prediction/extrapolation for Russia.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656437036835667988/694682999811473481/unknown.png
If any would be interested..
It's a little bit over my head
This I do understand
In addition, these genomic comparisons suggest that the SARS-Cov-2 virus is the result of a recombination between two different viruses, one close to RaTG13 and the other closer to the pangolin virus. In other words, it is a chimera between two pre-existing viruses.
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/coronavirus-origins-genome-analysis-suggests-two-viruses-may-have-combined/?fbclid=IwAR2zae9aS6picUQ5wveI_ZUKuJ2_sXnB-n02tZ5rAbfEyQpRve07c9sPzfw
Markus
Skybird
03-31-20, 07:08 PM
More and more municipalities loose patience with Berlin and announce mandatory use of face masks. Two days ago it was one city. Yesterday morning it were two counties, yesterday evening several municipalities more followed.
If you scan German newspapers, you also find, still not often but increasingly often, one question being asked: why have stocks in protection suites and face masks not been fundamentally increased over the past couple of years when after several animal pandemics and fears of Asian SARS springing to Europe it has always been found that the existing numbers did not suffice already for these smaller threats?
It seems some people become more and more absurd how cyncial it is to now demand people to wear protection, but not to wear really effective protection, hiding that lack behind a constructed argument of condemnin g evil egoism and hailing solidaric altruism to automatically caring more for the other than for the most natural and reasonable own interest of protecting yourself and your own family. The cynism and the mendacity behind this really make me furious. In the end the politicians tell the people: get infected and believe that it is for an higher cause, while in words they say: stay vulnerbale and hope the others behave reasonable and kind. They hide their own failure in the past behind a pseudo-ethical argumentation - that violates most simpliest of reason and human nature and that that they simply abuse. I have stopped counting how many people I have seen in the aost weeks still behaving irrespnible and not caring for social distancing - not even mentioning that the emphasized 2m are 4-5 times less than what would be needed to have a protective social diuatnce for sure, I mentioned that recent study by the MIT, didn't I.
Skybird
03-31-20, 07:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5bTkoHt-kk
ikalugin
03-31-20, 07:32 PM
In Russia we are lifting taxes and the like as supporting measures rather than increasing goverment spending per say.
Mr Quatro
03-31-20, 08:40 PM
Yeah sailors operate these ships in mostly sealed environments in extreme close quarters. They sleep in multi tier bunks, they share lavatories and mess facilities. I'd bet the entire crew was exposed within a day or two of the virus coming aboard.
You know back in the old days ships had to raise the plague flag and remain at sea for two weeks until the last case had either died or recovered. I am not saying that's what they should do here but the TRs crew might give us a good indication as to what the true rate of infection will be, at least among younger relatively healthy Americans. Even the Captain the "Old Man" is probably only in his late 30's early 40's.
You know what sailors do every morning at 8am, right?
They have colors and they have divisional musters with some meeting topside and some meeting in the hanger deck with those on watch being exempted in port only.
They don't stand 6' from each other either, they cough, they spit, they laugh and they all answer up. This aircraft carrier will have to evacuate all of the ones that tested positive and the ship quarantined with a skeleton crew.
First class and above do not do common labor neither do the officers.
A clean up crew of 2nd class and below will have to be brought in to santize the ship.
These are the things that admirals in the Pentagon will have to deal with ...
I can't imagine what will happen to the Army and Air Force if it happens to them.
This is a big deal and if not handled right will see sailors dying far from home. :yep:
You know what sailors do every morning at 8am, right?
They have colors and they have divisional musters with some meeting topside and some meeting in the hanger deck with those on watch being exempted in port only.
They don't stand 6' from each other either, they cough, they spit, they laugh and they all answer up.
Sounds just like morning company formations in the Army.
Mr Quatro
03-31-20, 09:54 PM
Sounds just like morning company formations in the Army.
Yes and I think they call it 'Morning Quarters' in the Navy :yep:
em2nought
03-31-20, 11:39 PM
So we're gonna spend $6,682 for every single citizen of the USA with this "first" $2,200,000,000,000 :timeout:
Before you condemn Falwell & Liberty University, you should look a little deeper into why the University remained "open", and the precautions taken for the students that did remain. here's a hint, that university has a large contingent of international Students.
There's a major flaw in your last statement; here's a hint...
...LOTS of colleges, universities, and other places of higher learning have large, if not larger contingents of international students...
...and, guess what? They did close down and turn away students as precautionary moves to prevent the spread of Covid-19; and, as far as I've heard, they still remain closed. Right here in Los Angeles, there are two major universities, the University of Southern California (USC), and the University of California Los Angeles (UCLA); USC is a private university and UCLA is a public, state-run university; both have larger international student populations with USC having more than 25% (over 12,000 students) of their total students from other countries and UCLA having about 20% of its total students from other countries...
...and one thing both campuses have in common: they both shut down and are continuing to stay shut down from the very earliest days of the call to isolate. There is here, in Hollywood, a school that is solely devoted to teaching the English language to foreign students and they have shut down also; I am aware of this because the school , several years ago, leased out an entire building in the complex where I live for the use of student housing, solely for their students; there has been an apparent decrease in activity in the building, so I'm guessing a good many of the students may have returned to their homelands, at least for the duration...
Hundreds, more likely, thousands of college and university campuses have likewise shut down a great many of them with international student populations; outside of Liberty, though, I haven't heard of any of them being foolish enough, mercenary enough, or vain enough to risk student lives by reopening...
So, the argument of reopening for the sake of the international students rigs hollow and sounds more like an attempt to deflect from a very foolish and stupid decision by Liberty University and its leader. Falwell made a marked, public point of scoffing at the seriousness of the virus and made a marked, public point of the reopening as a 'middle-finger' to science and common sense. He has no one to blame but himself and no one else but him will be blamed if the students of Liberty College are maimed or killed by his foolishness and hubris. I very much doubt a jury and/or court will believe he or anyone else who puts the lives of others at risk solely for personal or political gain and acted with careless, and possibly criminal, disregard for human life...
...and, no, Falwell is not being criticized because of his faith or politics; it is because he is a foolish, callous, idiotic jerk...
...and you don't want to know how some of us really think about people like him...
My boss said that he read somewhere that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention sold the animals they had tested at their center to the same market in Wuhan to make a little money on the side :yep:
Chinese researchers isolated deadly bat coronaviruses near Wuhan animal market
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/?
A word of caution about using the Washington Times, or, for that matter, the Washington Examiner, as an authoritative source for information; both have a rather sketchy history regarding pushing conspiracy theory as fact and both have marked agendas that make the 'mainstream media' look like paragons of total honesty; if you read something from the Washington Times/Examiner, it is best to also look up other sources to back up their assertions or reportage; they do serve one good purpose: I often look to them as a sort of bellwether of changing attitudes in politics or social currents; if they publish articles critical of persons or issues they normally espouse, it is usually a very good indicator of a significant change in the opinions of their readership and represented demograpgic...
As Reagan used to say, "Trust, but verify"...
<O>
The group of people for whom the rest of us should have very deep respect is those in the healthcare front lines. Their jobs are difficult in the best of times and must be immeasurably so in this crisis. I have seen reports of citizens applauding in appreciation some of the medical staffs as they enter and leave their workplaces; no one deserves acknowledgement more than them, in these times...
Perhaps a step further in appreciation is due to those who have left the medical care field and have chosen to reenter to lend their help and expertise in easing the burden of current caregivers and patients...
Over 25,000 Licensed Health Professionals And Students Signed Up To Help With California’s COVID-19 Response --
http://www.capradio.org/articles/2020/03/31/watch-gov-gavin-newsom-announces-new-program-for-seniors-during-covid-19/
...and its not just California; this sort of out-reach has been repeated in places throughout the US. A big salute to all of them... :salute:
Also give a thought to the fact they are only as effective as the support they have and the means they have to do their tasks in this crisis...
I was a nurse for 30 years. We're being drafted into war, but our commander-in-chief refuses to give us the weapons and protection we need to fight it. --
https://www.businessinsider.com/i-was-a-nurse-for-30-years-were-being-drafted-into-war-coronavurus-2020-3
In the past, I've cited an old automobile ad slogan in invoking the need to trust those who actually do the jobs: "Ask the man who owns one". In a case of medical crisis, I think I'm gonna put my faith in those are actually doing the jobs and not in those who are only talking about doing the jobs...
<O>
Skybird
04-01-20, 04:29 AM
I can't imagine what will happen to the Army and Air Force if it happens to them.
"if"...?
ikalugin
04-01-20, 05:09 AM
19 percent growth today.
Skybird
04-01-20, 07:09 AM
Spanish infection rate slows down a bit.
Two German corvettes quarantined. Soldiers in German overseas contingents diagnosed with Corona.
Austrian unemployment rate up by 50%.
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 07:28 AM
Spain records a record daily death toll of 864 as Europe passes another grim milestone in the pandemic.
The official death toll in Iran is now more than 3,000.
US President Donald Trump urges Americans to follow guidelines, calling it "a matter of life and death"
The US death toll surpasses 4,000 and there are fears as many as 200,000 people could die there.
A British national is among four people to have died on the virus-hit Zaandam cruise ship.
There are now more than 800,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 around the world.
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 07:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X6Nel43QHY
Skybird
04-01-20, 07:46 AM
A supermarket in Vienna today. Employees distribute face masks to customers.
https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/e7fb4d32-df06-4018-ad90-07ff4090d14a_w948_r1.77_fpx63.65_fpy49.98.jpg
Wowh. It can be done: distributing face masks! :yeah: No excuses made, they just started to do it and found solutions for existing shortcomings, obviously. - To be fair, Kurz admitted that the full implementaitonw ill take a coupel fo days and not in all places they already have enough masks finsihed. But they do it.
Germany: today, more municipalities have announced they will join the enforcement of wearing face masks. Stupid progressive intellectuals however, who often enjoy the benefits of living at the cost of the state, want a debate on whether that violates profound civil liberties, some even claim the use of masks is pointless. They should be chraged with attempted physical violance. -We should stop counting Corona cases, and have no more statistics. The pandemic would all by itself dissappear! The SOB at the WHO still insist that masks should not be worn. Can we send a firing squad over there, please? These retards really have turned out to become a threat to mankind.
I was to the baker three hours ago, and noticed that this crisis kind of separates the good from the bad: some people behave more politely and obliging, a few ones however seem to behave even more dumb and aggressive and uncaring. The latter are the killer argument against Merkel'S moralising and educating and preaching of that we should trust in the other and care for each other and protect the other instead of also protecting ourselves. It takes just one of these idiots and you runnign into him, to have him ruining your day, your health, your life. And they tell us we should not protect us against these idiots?
Wear a mask. Protect the others from youself, AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM THE OTHERS: there is zero argument against wanting to protect yourself as well, none. By staying healthy and not becoming a patient you avoid mounting pressure on the hospitals: thats why they also tell you to stay at home if possible! Use the best material that is available to you. You are dumb if you don't. Do not hoard it, however. Do not waste it, but sterilize and re-use it (which today also has become official recommendation of the German government to all hospitals and everbody).
ikalugin
04-01-20, 08:26 AM
Sadly we are out of comercially available surgical masks and filtering half mask respirators so even if people did desire to buy them - they couldn't.
And civili defence stocks do not seem to include much in terms of surgical masks, just the R2 (aka U-2K) filtering half masks.
Armistead
04-01-20, 08:32 AM
My wife has been making mask, using nice designer fabric, germ liner, etc... different prints for men and women. We wore them to the store today and quickly had an issue, many people walking right up to us to say how pretty they were.
Skybird
04-01-20, 08:41 AM
Sadly we are out of comercially available surgical masks and filtering half mask respirators so even if people did desire to buy them - they couldn't.
Then make your own, use what is avialable to you. Anytghing is better than just nothing.
Craftsmen and car industriy in german yhave doinated theirt stocks of FFP2 masks that were used by their poainters and others, but are of no use currently.
Ebay? Overseas ebay? You pay high roices, there, i aghree, but I also see that the situaiton there starts to relax. Two weeks ago I saw 3-drtigit preices for a single piece, now I see offers for as "low" :hmmm: as 7 Euros for a FFP2. That is still expensive, i know, but that is owed to the law of supply and demand. Chinese traders feed frequently into these platforms now.
But I admit, that is germany, I have no clue on the situation in Russia. If need be: make your own. Even a kitchen towel , one layer, has a filtering efficvjen cy of 50% of a FFP3 towel.
Anything is better than nothing! Just do not hoard if you can buy FFP2 (=N95) or surgical masks. Also, do not buy if there are clear indications that the offer is criminal (stolen masks). We do indeed not want to steal from what originally were hospital and doctors' supplies.
ikalugin
04-01-20, 08:47 AM
Then make your own, use what is avialable to you. Anytghing is better than just nothing.
Craftsmen and car industriy in german yhave doinated theirt stocks of FFP2 masks that were used by their poainters and others, but are of no use currently.
Ebay? Overseas ebay? You pay high roices, there, i aghree, but I also see that the situaiton there starts to relax. Two weeks ago I saw 3-drtigit preices for a single piece, now I see offers for as "low" :hmmm: as 7 Euros for a FFP2. That is still expensive, i know, but that is owed to the law of supply and demand. Chinese traders feed frequently into these platforms now.
But I admit, that is germany, I have no clue on the situation in Russia. If need be: make your own. Even a kitchen towel , one layer, has a filtering efficvjen cy of 50% of a FFP3 towel.
Anything is better than nothing! Just do not hoard if you can buy FFP2 (=N95) or surgical masks. Also, do not buy if there are clear indications that the offer is criminal (stolen masks). We do indeed not want to steal from what originally were hospital and doctors' supplies.
There are no stocks of filtring half masks in pharmacies and more or less no surgical mask stocks.
https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommersant.ru%2Fdoc%2F4309361
Within the medical system they are looking at opening the civil defence stocks and strategic reserves for the filtering half masks and the like but this would require some legal ground work to be laid, something that is more or less imminent now.
Deliveries from abroad are, ehem, difficult right now.
I am wearing my GP-21U mask (A1B1E1K1HgXP3D filter) pic related (in metro) with gloves. I wash the tracksuit after each use and do the otherwise normal decon procedure. We have 4 in our family so enough for most needs. The mask also provides eye protection that half masks don't.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/549750479438217246/693504779728453742/image0.jpg
I did place order for the regular half mask respirators and gogles (and some spares like thinner P3 rated filters) but it did not go through.
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 08:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxKAR3mShKg
Onkel Neal
04-01-20, 09:07 AM
What are your concerns about civil unrest in large population areas affected by the pandemic?
One person on another forum is saying that in the New York area, things are getting crazy. Not sure exactly what that means, but the concern is if food shipments start coming up short, or if people run out of money, they will riot.
Skybird
04-01-20, 09:09 AM
There are no stocks of filtring half masks in pharmacies and more or less no surgical mask stocks
Same in Germany, since weeks. Availabililtiy in stores and pharmacies: zero. One needs to find them online. Or improvise masks in homework. Material used in filterbags for vacuum cleaners and kitchen sinks can be an option to consider, too. Put some filtering layer between two layers of what they call "Morf" I think, that you then wear as a scarf. Caffee filter paper. Kitchen tissue paper , two layers.
The kit you have there certainly has the crowd before you dispersing in no time when you come along. :D I have a half-frame mask and described and pictured it weeks ago already, for my parents I got ordinary FFP2 masks, but I do not want them to get out much at all currently, certainly I do not want them to enter supermarkets and closed rooms like that. Craftsman masks also are an option if they use at least FFP filters. They just draw a lot of attention. :D
The good thing about your full cover mask is: it also guards the eyes. The entrances for the virus are nose, mouth - and eyes.
ikalugin
04-01-20, 09:10 AM
What are your concerns about civil unrest in large population areas affected by the pandemic?
One person on another forum is saying that in the New York area, things are getting crazy. Not sure exactly what that means, but the concern is if food shipments start coming up short, or if people run out of money, they will riot.
One of the reasons why we were doing this in step by step manner, it gives people room to adapt to the new measures.
Personally I live in center of Moscow which should be fairly safe. My parents live in a guarded gated community in the suburbs so same applies.
ikalugin
04-01-20, 09:19 AM
Same in Germany, since weeks. Availabililtiy in stores and pharmacies: zero. One needs to find them online. Or improvise masks in homework. Material used in filterbags for vacuum cleaners and kitchen sinks can be an option to consider, too. Put some filtering layer between two layers of what they call "Morf" I think, that you then wear as a scarf. Caffee filter paper. Kitchen tissue paper , two layers.
The kit you have there certainly has the crowd before you dispersing in no time when you come along. :D I have a half-frame mask and described and pictured it weeks ago already, for my parents I got ordinary FFP2 masks, but I do not want them to get out much at all currently, certainly I do not want them to enter supermarkets and closed rooms like that. Craftsman masks also are an option if they use at least FFP filters. They just draw a lot of attention. :D
The good thing about your full cover mask is: it also guards the eyes. The entrances for the virus are nose, mouth - and eyes.
Yes, a bunch of people that I know are pumping those masks as fast as they could but they are mostly selling to companies and organisations because people like taxi drivers and bus drivers need atleast surgical masks, etc.
Filtering half masks are fairly common on the street, gas masks while somewhat unusual are something people got used to seeing. And to be honest I do not care much about what others think about my looks - only that the gear I am wearing is appropriate. And yes, eye protection is one of the reasons why I elected to wear my GP-21U and not a self made mask as I do not have gogles.
I mean I did not get the positive overpressure suit out or something else that is an overkill.
Skybird
04-01-20, 09:19 AM
What are your concerns about civil unrest in large population areas affected by the pandemic?
One person on another forum is saying that in the New York area, things are getting crazy. Not sure exactly what that means, but the concern is if food shipments start coming up short, or if people run out of money, they will riot.
They ahd riuots in supermarkets in Italy some days ago. Due to shortages,. I think. So if shortages show up, thigns can easily get out of hands. However, lock downs cannot be maintained forever, that should be clear to everybody.
Hoarding in Germany has toned down, since there is no signs of shortages.Tha problem that will make people thinking is more rising prices for certain foods. Imports do not arrive anymore, and the harvest in German for fruits and vegetables is in danger: no foreign workers coming in. Wheat and oats and potatoes and carrots seem to not be a problem, anything that can be planted and harvest mechanically and needs little or no human labour.
Skybird
04-01-20, 09:26 AM
Filtering half masks are fairly common on the street,
Really? Bravo, Russia! In Germany: the onyl one I have seen with one, was myself. - In asia they are common, too.
gas masks while somewhat unusual are something people got used to seeing. And to be honest I do not care much about what others think about my looks - only that the gear I am wearing is appropriate.
I absolutely agree, and acted like that myself. Parts of the forum laughed at me when I told that. I wonder if they still do. Well, the Trumpianics probably do, but they do not count. :D
https://i.postimg.cc/J7kvxNXw/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)
I had the above since logner time with P2 and P3 filters, its not bought durign Corona, I am looking for a less obstrusive solution, however, and laboratory glasses.
I mean I did not get the positive overpressure suit out or something else that is an overkill.:D
Platapus
04-01-20, 09:32 AM
From Dr. Belinda George as advice for her students
https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/coronaacronym_hpEmbed_31x16_992.jpg
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 09:34 AM
Spain records a record daily death toll of 864 as Europe passes another grim milestone in the pandemic.
The number to have died in the UK rises by 563 to 2,352.
US President Donald Trump urges Americans to follow guidelines, calling it "a matter of life and death"
Mr Quatro
04-01-20, 09:34 AM
I absolutely agree, and acted like that myself. Parts of the forum laughed at me when I told that. I wonder if they still do. Well, the Trumpianics probably do, but they do not count. :D
:D
You just tell us which forum members did that to you Skybird and we will ban them for life :o
scroll down:
APRIL FOOL :D:yep::up:
:Kaleun_Cheers::Kaleun_Cheers::Kaleun_Cheers:
Skybird
04-01-20, 09:37 AM
From Dr. Belinda George as advice for her students
https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/coronaacronym_hpEmbed_31x16_992.jpg
Has the virus approved this? Its the final authority we need to convince.
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 09:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_BCQS1sSQQ
ikalugin
04-01-20, 09:41 AM
Really? Bravo, Russia! In Germany: the onyl one I have seen with one, was myself. - In asia they are common, too.
I absolutely agree, and acted like that myself. Parts of the forum laughed at me when I told that. I wonder if they still do. Well, the Trumpianics probably do, but they do not count. :D
I had the above since logner time with P2 and P3 filters, its not bought durign Corona, I am looking for a less obstrusive solution, however, and laboratory glasses.
Yea, sadly the less radical half mask respirator with P2 or P3 filters + gogles is also sold out more or less. Those were fairly cheap, especially the mature models that are still in production since Soviet era.
https://spetskomplekt-ufa.ru/sites/default/files/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D 0%BE%D1%80%20%D0%A0%D0%A3-60%D0%9C.jpg
Mr Quatro
04-01-20, 09:56 AM
Yea, sadly the less radical half mask respirator with P2 or P3 filters + gogles is also sold out more or less. Those were fairly cheap, especially the mature models that are still in production since Soviet era.
ikalugin must be stuck at home ... notice that he is posting more :yep:
Oh wait a minute me too :yep:
In fact a lot of us are posting more, uh? :up:
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 10:29 AM
Coronavirus: UK deaths rise to 2,352 amid rush to test medics
A further 563 patients with coronavirus have died in the UK, taking the total number of deaths in hospitals to 2,352.
The Department of Health said 29,474 people have tested positive for the virus, up 4,324 since Tuesday.
It comes as No 10 confirmed more than 2,000 NHS frontline staff in England have been tested for coronavirus since the outbreak began.
Hundreds have been screened since the weekend in a push to get healthy self-isolating medics back to work.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52122761
Skybird
04-01-20, 10:39 AM
Economy: a "greased slide" from here on. Or even already since the 70s.
I agree with them. There is no going back to the old ways from here on, the financial damage just is too high. The system is dead, the megacycle of credit money now is in its final stage of agony, all life support machines plugged in and running, but no more signs from the dead corpus. And the ordinary people and small business owners and pensioneers will be the ones who will be hit hardest.
Game over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG7KHglCI9Q
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 10:50 AM
Meanwhile in Scotland...
MSPs are debating new emergency powers to cope with the Covid-19 pandemic in Scotland.
The Scottish government has dropped plans to hold more trials without juries during the coronavirus lockdown.
The first minister updates MSPs on the latest coronavirus developments
Nicola Sturgeon tells the chamber that 16 further deaths have been recorded taking the total in Scotland to 76.
FM says the temporary hospital at the SEC in Glasgow 'may not be needed'
It will be named the NHS Louisa Jordan - in honour of a Glasgow nursing sister who served and died in Serbia in WWI.
Onkel Neal
04-01-20, 10:50 AM
ikalugin must be stuck at home ... notice that he is posting more :yep:
Oh wait a minute me too :yep:
In fact a lot of us are posting more, uh? :up:
Yeah, what you should be doing is patrolling the lonely, cold Atlantic...
(insert shameless product placement here)
Aktungbby
04-01-20, 10:57 AM
house burglars are having a miserable time finding houses to burgle with everyone self quarantined at home. Poor buggers! Gun shops are being re-decided as essential services....my wife, not a firearm enthusiast, opined: " I guess we don't have to worry about that!" :D
Mr Quatro
04-01-20, 11:00 AM
Stuck on a cruise ship? Now the ship has to ask for help in the country it is registered in even if the companies head quarters is in America :o
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/01/coast-guard-tells-cruises-prepare-care-sick-people-indefinite-period.html
The U.S. Coast Guard is now directing ships registered in the Bahamas to seek aid from that country first -- even if the ships are owned by Miami-based companies. It is also advising ships with more than 50 aboard that they may be sequestered "indefinitely."
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 11:57 AM
Not ALL Yanks eat tree rats.
Yet.
I wonder if Neal does?
Remember when we were there in his back garden/yard and there were loads of the buggas on the trees.
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 01:42 PM
US appears on similar trajectory to Italy, warns Vice-President Pence.
Canada virus measures 'to last until July'
Grand Canyon National Park refuses to close.
France says that 509 people with coronavirus have died over the last 24 hours.
Jimbuna
04-01-20, 01:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NzrIXqqsmE
The media is having a nasty habit not taking into account the lag factor so its sounds even worst. They should keep an eye on new cases after the lock down this is key to show good signs. Italy is now at that stage in flattening the curve. Keep an eye on them this week and next. I rather watch Dr John's daily updates on YouTube than the mainstream media news.
Steed, we have had just over 600 cases of people with the virus who have been hospitalized, we have had 12 deaths so far in this area, but one thing I like seeing in their reporting is that they have listed 269 who have been in the hospital with the virus, have recovered and been sent home. The media has to start talking about that too!
Steed, we have had just over 600 cases of people with the virus who have been hospitalized, we have had 12 deaths so far in this area, but one thing I like seeing in their reporting is that they have listed 269 who have been in the hospital with the virus, have recovered and been sent home. The media has to start talking about that too!
I agree they need to talk up the positive news, too much negative news is not good for your mental health.
moose1am
04-01-20, 05:01 PM
Steed, we have had just over 600 cases of people with the virus who have been hospitalized, we have had 12 deaths so far in this area, but one thing I like seeing in their reporting is that they have listed 269 who have been in the hospital with the virus, have recovered and been sent home. The media has to start talking about that too!
People who have survived and then been tested negative can still spread the virus. That makes it nearly impossible to stop the spread until everyone develops immunity or they are dead. To develop an immunity to the virus you have to get it and survive or get a vaccine that we don't have yet.
moose1am
04-01-20, 05:03 PM
I agree they need to talk up the positive news, too much negative news is not good for your mental health.
Watch a movie or a comedy on TV if you don't want to see negative news.
I presume you all have heard words like
With the latest deaths "country" have now more death than China had when they had the Corona epidemic.
Some days back I heard on our Danish talk radio, where they toke China and this Corona under sweet treatment.
From memory
"The official China say the death from the Corona epidemic is 3 thousand-something. According the Free Asia(I think it was) the real numbers of death from this Corona was either 42000 or 46000.
The authorities in China is not willing to share the real numbers, they(Free Asia) have spoken to ordinary Chinese on the street and talked to employees at local crematoriums, and from that they have come up with what they mean is near the real number of death"
Therefore the statement we hear in our news.
Now Italy/Spain/other country have more dead than China is incorrect.
Markus
Mr Quatro
04-01-20, 05:26 PM
People who have survived and then been tested negative can still spread the virus. That makes it nearly impossible to stop the spread until everyone develops immunity or they are dead. To develop an immunity to the virus you have to get it and survive or get a vaccine that we don't have yet.
I haven't seen any proof of this, but I sort of believe you ... people have it and don't have symptoms so there fore they don't know they have it and it has been proven that they can transmit it and your saying that people that had it and tested negative may still have it and can now still spread it. :o
Sounds like a movie ... we could call it "We All Die" :yep:
Watch a movie or a comedy on TV if you don't want to see negative news.
Just watched a movie on the Sony Channel (now being offered for free on DIsh)
"The Quick and the Dead" took my mind off of the virus problem of 2020
I think I'll try to watch more movies ... Counting the dead doesn't work :nope:
Platapus
04-01-20, 05:28 PM
I agree they need to talk up the positive news, too much negative news is not good for your mental health.
Check out goodnewsnetwork.org
Nothing but good news. It serves as a good balance.
The world is filled with good people doing good things all the time. A lot of the media just chooses not to report it.
That site helps keep me centered in the stressful times.
Mr Quatro
04-01-20, 05:28 PM
From memory
"The official China say the death from the Corona epidemic is 3 thousand-something. According the Free Asia(I think it was) the real numbers of death from this Corona was either 42000 or 46000.
The authorities in China is not willing to share the real numbers, they(Free Asia) have spoken to ordinary Chinese on the street and talked to employees at local crematoriums, and from that they have come up with what they mean is near the real number of death"
Therefore the statement we hear in our news.
Now Italy/Spain/other country have more dead than China is incorrect.
Markus
Remember the picture of all the graves dug in Iran?
I wonder what they look like now?
Probably all filled up, uh?:yep:
Rockstar
04-01-20, 05:39 PM
Hoarding in Germany has toned down, since there is no signs of shortages.Tha problem that will make people thinking is more rising prices for certain foods. Imports do not arrive anymore, and the harvest in German for fruits and vegetables is in danger: no foreign workers coming in. Wheat and oats and potatoes and carrots seem to not be a problem, anything that can be planted and harvest mechanically and needs little or no human labour.
I've noticed the shelves beginning to look full where I live too. No doubt many people bought more than they usually do. Especially when news hit our county had its first confirmed case of COVID-19. But, I read an article from 2018 which said: According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, between 2013 and 2016, 36% of adult Americans consumed fast food on any given day. That’s one of three Americans eating a meal at fast-food eateries such as McDonald’s, Burger King or KFC.Not sure if there are comparable numbers in your neck of the woods. But when the restaurants closed and a third of our population suddenly started shopping at the local grocer to get their meals like the rest of us folks. That placed a huge strain on the grocers too. Hopefully suppliers can meet this new demand, not gonna be easy.
skidman
04-01-20, 05:47 PM
People who have survived and then been tested negative can still spread the virus.
Nope. The test that is available and used today indicates if virus RNA is present in the sample. The sample is taken from the pharynx mucosa, that's where the virus predominantly settles. Nucleic acids from the sample are isolated and then transferred to a PCR-machine in order to increase the chemical signal to facilitate detection. So:
- If there is no genetic material from the virus in the pharynx, you won't find it anywhere else in the person tested
- If virus RNA is in the sample, it will be detected 100%, because replication time of nCOV-2019 is extremely short and the virus is the most aggressive corona virus we have seen so far.
A negative test means the person does not accommodate any nCOV-2019 virus. Period.
Let's stick to the truth here. Stop spreading nonsense. We have too much of that in the thread already.
Steed, we have had just over 600 cases of people with the virus who have been hospitalized, we have had 12 deaths so far in this area, but one thing I like seeing in their reporting is that they have listed 269 who have been in the hospital with the virus, have recovered and been sent home. The media has to start talking about that too!
Not to mention the potentially millions of Americans that have already had and got over the virus but were never recorded.
Mr Quatro
04-01-20, 06:17 PM
Nope. The test that is available and used today indicates if virus RNA is present in the sample. The sample is taken from the pharynx mucosa, that's where the virus predominantly settles. Nucleic acids from the sample are isolated and then transferred to a PCR-machine in order to increase the chemical signal to facilitate detection. So:
- If there is no genetic material from the virus in the pharynx, you won't find it anywhere else in the person tested
- If virus RNA is in the sample, it will be detected 100%, because replication time of nCOV-2019 is extremely short and the virus is the most aggressive corona virus we have seen so far.
A negative test means the person does not accommodate any nCOV-2019 virus. Period.
Let's stick to the truth here. Stop spreading nonsense. We have too much of that in the thread already.
Thank you! I hope I test negative ... :yep:
surely this madness has to be over someday :up:
Skybird
04-01-20, 10:21 PM
People who survived Covid-19 and are immune, still can spread virus, exclusively by smear infection when they pick it up with their hand and tarnsport it to another place. You are immune, you grab a dirty door handle, you shake somebody else's hand, that somebody touches his face, nose, eye, mouth - infection completed.
Immunity does not wash your hands. ;)
Virus in your jaw stays active only for I think 8-10 days after first symptoms or so. Thats why hospitals send patients who still have the disease sometimes into home quarantine after ten days (to free their beds).
Skybird
04-01-20, 11:06 PM
The Blame Games 2020 are now declared open!
As usual, the daily numbers until 06:12, then the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFwkjlaYJeA
Skybird
04-01-20, 11:17 PM
But when the restaurants closed and a third of our population suddenly started shopping at the local grocer to get their meals like the rest of us folks. That placed a huge strain on the grocers too. Hopefully suppliers can meet this new demand, not gonna be easy.
There is a threat to food supplies, but most likely not due to the reaosn you memntionedk, but becasue protectionism lockign down food imorts and exports aroudn the gloobe (and seasonal workers not working on the fields).
See the video I just linked one post above, from 17:30 on, there he focusses on right your topic, food supplies.
skidman
04-02-20, 02:18 AM
People who survived Covid-19 and are immune, still can spread virus, exclusively by smear infection when they pick it up with their hand and tarnsport it to another place. You are immune, you grab a dirty door handle, you shake somebody else's hand, that somebody touches his face, nose, eye, mouth - infection completed.
"I think the question I get asked the most is, well I dunno know, it happens a lot, enough that I would remark on it - a lot of people come up to me and they say "Is it possible for a woman to get pregnant without intercourse?" My answer's always the same, I say: "Listen. We're gonna have to go all the way back to the civil war. Apparently a stray bullet actually pierced the testicle of a Union soldier and then lodged itself in the ovaries of an 18 year old girl who was actually 100 feet from him at the time. Well, the baby was fine. She was very happy. Guilt-free. Course, the soldier's a little pissed off." When ya think about it, it's actually a form of intercourse, but not for everyone. Those who love action, maybe."
(Tom Waits)
People who have survived and then been tested negative can still spread the virus. That makes it nearly impossible to stop the spread until everyone develops immunity or they are dead. To develop an immunity to the virus you have to get it and survive or get a vaccine that we don't have yet.
People who are recovering and sent home are still in quarantine. You make it sound like they are going back to work, school, hanging out at bars and restaurants spreading the virus again. Schools are closed, businesses are closed, we are still in lock down! You make it sound like its the Doomsday, we are all going to die nonsense. I refuse to buy into that shtick!!
Skybird
04-02-20, 02:38 AM
"I think the question I get asked the most is, well I dunno know, it happens a lot, enough that I would remark on it - a lot of people come up to me and they say "Is it possible for a woman to get pregnant without intercourse?" My answer's always the same, I say: "Listen. We're gonna have to go all the way back to the civil war. Apparently a stray bullet actually pierced the testicle of a Union soldier and then lodged itself in the ovaries of an 18 year old girl who was actually 100 feet from him at the time. Well, the baby was fine. She was very happy. Guilt-free. Course, the soldier's a little pissed off." When ya think about it, it's actually a form of intercourse, but not for everyone. Those who love action, maybe."
(Tom Waits)
You're sure you undertstand the meaning of "smear infection", Smarty? Its not really a magic trick. As a matter of fact its meaning is surprisingly simple - AND REAL. And since that is so, they do funny things like this to fight it:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/an-employee-desinfects-shopping-carts-on-march-23-2020-at-a-in-as-picture-id1208003090?s=2048x2048
Funny, eh?
ikalugin
04-02-20, 03:52 AM
27 percent increase in cases in Russia today. Again most in Moscow.
Check out goodnewsnetwork.org
Nothing but good news. It serves as a good balance.
The world is filled with good people doing good things all the time. A lot of the media just chooses not to report it.
That site helps keep me centered in the stressful times.
Yea I'm sick of the main stream news there like ghouls can't get enough death.
Thanks for the suggestion will indeed checkout some good/nice news for a change. :up:
Jimbuna
04-02-20, 05:01 AM
Steed, we have had just over 600 cases of people with the virus who have been hospitalized, we have had 12 deaths so far in this area, but one thing I like seeing in their reporting is that they have listed 269 who have been in the hospital with the virus, have recovered and been sent home. The media has to start talking about that too!
Agreed :yep:
Jimbuna
04-02-20, 05:09 AM
The number of infections globally will reach a million within days, the head of the World Health Organization says.
There's been a record jump in the number of people applying for unemployment benefit in Spain.
In the UK, meanwhile, nearly 950,000 people have applied for Universal Credit benefits in the past fortnight.
The sudden increase in those signing up is powerful evidence that the coronavirus crisis is an economic emergency.
There is growing concern in several countries about supplies of protection equipment for medical workers.
In the US, the governor of Connecticut has confirmed a six-week-old baby has died of Covid-19.
The WHO is to discuss whether to change its advice and promote wider use of face masks.
Jimbuna
04-02-20, 05:12 AM
Testing is the solution to "unlock the puzzle" of coronavirus, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
Mr Johnson was speaking after it was revealed only 2,000 out of some half a million frontline NHS workers in England had been tested.
The PM said the government needed to "massively ramp up" testing so that NHS staff who were self-isolating unnecessarily could return to work.
It came as the UK had its biggest daily increase in deaths - 563.
As of 17:00 on Tuesday, the overall number of deaths from the virus in the UK was 2,352.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52130230
ikalugin
04-02-20, 06:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4345qzfhOo
Russian ventilators in NYC.
http://upz.ru/en/catalog/lung-ventilator-aventa%20m.html
The type being supplied.
Jimbuna
04-02-20, 07:04 AM
Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-anger-is-growing-at-china-over-covid-19-and-its-apparent-cover-up-attempt-11966539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1aoULlMpn0
Rockstar
04-02-20, 08:04 AM
Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-anger-is-growing-at-china-over-covid-19-and-its-apparent-cover-up-attempt-11966539
I'm not really all that worked up over suspected cover ups. It's the least of our problems. Its the obvious which concerns me how the ChiComs have been attacking us with ever-evolving onslaughts of gnarly viruses for 50+ years. They are relentless and occur as predictably as clockwork. They are the direct result of Chinese consuming strange and bizarre bowls of Happy Soup, which by design, culture, superstition, and demonic orchestration include everything in the Animal and Plant kingdoms, with no exceptions or avoidances.
If American deaths due to Wuhan Coronavirus increase to hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions, the costs will increase geometrically and will be in the tens of trillion dollars, which at some point will exceed the current national debt. Hopefully the dots will be connected and provided there is indisputable ironclad scientific evidence that the Wuhan Coronavirus originated in China as the direct consequence of the ChiCom government allowing and encouraging the Chinese people to consume strange and bizarre bowls of Happy Soup, then it will be logical to expect the Chinese to pay handsomely for their, orchestrated biological attacks on our people. The most logical way to make the ChiComs pay is to cancel all private and public debt, followed by issuing new paper money that only can be received as replacement for canceled paper money by American citizens who have existing accounts in American banks. It has happened before.
If the idea that the ChiComs 'orchestrate' the yearly viral attacks on the US appears to be a bit "out there" and "wacky", then I suggest a simple thought exercise to ponder.
(1) Can you purchase USDA inspected cat meat, dog meat, bat meat at the local grocery store or butcher shop?
(2) Can you purchase the items in and a virtual festival of other, equally abhorrent items in any health department inspected and regulated restaurant anywhere in the US?
(3) What do you think would happen is you placed an advertisement for "Fresh Bat $10/Ounce" in a local newspaper?
It's not so much a matter of Americans having qualms about such things as it is a matter of food safety regulations, laws, and oversight in what ideally is the extreme. It doesn't happen here, because we do NOT allow it.
But those dumbarse ChiComs allow it, and they encourage it. It's biological war, and it must be stopped. They really need to clean up their backward foul filthy vile selves and join the rest of the civilized world.
Jimbuna
04-02-20, 08:06 AM
New weekly US unemployment claims hit a record high of 6.6m as the effects of the pandemic bite.
Whistleblowing doctor named a 'martyr' by China.
Grim milestone of 1,000 deaths for Belgium.
Comedian Eddie Large dies after contracting coronavirus.
Thailand's prime minister has announced a nationwide curfew will come into place on Friday.
ikalugin
04-02-20, 08:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBrR3E3oI-E
Good work by the NHS and British Armed Forces.
Jimbuna
04-02-20, 09:19 AM
Here's the breakdown of UK fatalities
The number of deaths from coronavirus have now been broken down across the UK.
In England, the figure has reached 2,698, up by 561 from yesterday.
NHS England said the patients were aged between 22 and 100, with 44 of those 561 - who were aged between 25 and 100 - having no known underlying health conditions.
In Scotland, 126 patients have now died - up by 50 from yesterday.
In Wales, the total number of deaths is now 117 - a rise of 19.
And in Northern Ireland, a further six people have died - bringing the total to 36.
ikalugin
04-02-20, 11:05 AM
There seemed to be some controversy over the Glazgo hospital naiming.
Onkel Neal
04-02-20, 11:06 AM
Aggie surgeon weighs in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=1gwGkQPnNOo&feature=emb_logo
Just the flu, bro. :03:
Skybird
04-02-20, 11:08 AM
Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-anger-is-growing-at-china-over-covid-19-and-its-apparent-cover-up-attempt-11966539
While muich of the nage against China is justfiied, and not for the first time, the attempt to deflect own responsibility for not believing, for ignoring, for not reacting to what intel services have told Western governments, is just this: defleciton of own guilt. Of course theChiense lies, that what rwegimes and even moderate gonvenr,ments doi all the time. Thnats why we have intel sevrices and satellites, why we wiretap and overhear electornic communications: to know better despite the lies and püroganada others give us.
I strongly recommend the last video by Chris Martenson "Geopoltiical Blame game erupts", I have linked it last night. As usual, he hits all the amrks on right this issue. Especially the Trump administration desperately tries to deflect the guilt it has accumulated for its ignorrant, delayed, inadequat reactions. Martenson does not let them get away with it.
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