Wuhan virus 2020

[Rockstar]

Hey you vaccine mandate Nazis, you unquestioning ‘believers’ in your god Phizer, look what you caused. Look at the harm you have done to others with your authoritarian demands and invasion into peoples private lives.

A “massive” (as opposed to rare) rise in heart disease and look how you mandate Nazis and the Covidian Cult avoids responsibility. Instead of looking at the experimental drug you inject into healthy children and others. Just make up some new mental health disorder and acronym and blame that.

https://youtu.be/v4gUF6t-7Mg

[mapuc]

It's totally out of control here in Denmark. Record keeps on being broken today's number of infected is 7779 which is the highest so far. 4.21 % of those who was tested was positive.

Markus

[Rockstar]

It's totally out of control here in Denmark. Record keeps on being broken today's number of infected is 7779 which is the highest so far. 4.21 % of those who was tested was positive.

Markus


Our death rate went from a 876 weekly moving average to 1,092. Guess people should take more vitamin D in winter months. Wonder how the stats on heart disease is lately?

Hey I got some fear porn to share. With the recent “massive” increase in heart disease since COVID. Don’t you think all you outdoor enthusiasts who got vaccinated ought to get your heart checked out before your next big adventure? Who knows what damage the vaccine, errr… I’m mean the new Post Pandemic Stress Disorder has had on you.

[mapuc]

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Hey I got some fear porn to share. With the recent “massive” increase in heart disease since COVID. Don’t you think all you outdoor enthusiasts who got vaccinated ought to get your heart checked out before your next big adventure? Who knows what damage the vaccine, errr… I’m mean the new Post Pandemic Stress Disorder has had on you.

I'm fine thank you I do not suffer from Post Pandemic Stress Disorder.
Haven't got any symptoms so far.

About the vaccine I'll take it when I feel ready for it not before.

Markus

[August]

Our death rate went from a 876 weekly moving average to 1,092. Guess people should take more vitamin D in winter months. Wonder how the stats on heart disease is lately?

Hey I got some fear porn to share. With the recent “massive” increase in heart disease since COVID. Don’t you think all you outdoor enthusiasts who got vaccinated ought to get your heart checked out before your next big adventure? Who knows what damage the vaccine, errr… I’m mean the new Post Pandemic Stress Disorder has had on you.

Yeah well I'm a 62 year old outdoor enthusiast, I've had a shot but I never stopped adventuring or working throughout the whole pandemic as I am considered an "essential worker" and I am not going to hide in my basement like a scared weakling.

[Skybird]

"Expression of concerns". Thats an understatement, by what i have read about it in the past couple of days.

https://fullfact.org/health/covid-vaccines-heart-disease/


https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/12/06/post-vaccine-myocarditis-in-young-people-is-rare-and-usually-mild-study-confirms

[Jeff-Groves]

Yeah well I'm a 62 year old outdoor enthusiast, I've had a shot but I never stopped adventuring or working throughout the whole pandemic as I am considered an "essential worker" and I am not going to hide in my basement like a scared weakling.

I'll be 64 next month. I've had my shots with no side effects. Not even a sore arm.
I've worked since this started. Traveled all over the USA working in fact.
I don't know what the hell this 'New' PPSD crap is. Sounds like another excuse to collect something by someone.

[August]

I'll be 64 next month. I've had my shots with no side effects. Not even a sore arm.
I've worked since this started. Traveled all over the USA working in fact.
I don't know what the hell this 'New' PPSD crap is. Sounds like another excuse to collect something by someone.


'Xactly.

[mapuc]

This comment isn't about whether the vaccine protect from getting very sick when infected. But what is the agenda behind the development of these vaccine.

When the vaccine came-One shot and you were protected. Not so far after...a second jab is needed to give a good protection...well some month later we were told that a second jab wasn't enough a booster jab is needed.
Today I saw a clip from a news article where the leader of Pfizer saying that a fourth jab may be necessary.

Are they doing this on purpose making the vaccine in a way that we need many more shots so they can earn lots of money ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Stop nature having its ways and stop the vorus from mutating - then they must not alter a vaccine on purpose. Or change it at all.



The the forecast says "rain today", you take an umbrelly with you, and if four hours later the weather has changed and is fine, you do not walk around with a still opened umbrella.

[Jeff-Groves]

you do not walk around with a still opened umbrella.
Sure you do! You just call it a parasole and your all in fashion!
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/donna-incinta-bikini-con-il-parasole-iridescente-contro-il-mare-83364657.jpg

[Rockstar]

So hospitalization rate for the vaccinated is 0.01% that’s 1 out of 10,914. Hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated is 0.89% or 1 out of 112.

But the COVID death rate is 3.4%? Seems the death rates are being inflated as many reported deaths are not caused by COVID. They simply died from something else but ‘with’ COVID.

Meanwhile heart disease on the rise. Thank you Dr. Fauci and mandate Nazis fear mongers.


https://youtu.be/nexIXKeKsNk

[August]

This comment isn't about whether the vaccine protect from getting very sick when infected. But what is the agenda behind the development of these vaccine.

When the vaccine came-One shot and you were protected. Not so far after...a second jab is needed to give a good protection...well some month later we were told that a second jab wasn't enough a booster jab is needed.
Today I saw a clip from a news article where the leader of Pfizer saying that a fourth jab may be necessary.

Are they doing this on purpose making the vaccine in a way that we need many more shots so they can earn lots of money ?

Markus


Old saying in my country: "The money is in the treatment, not in the cure."

[Sean C]

Seems the death rates are being inflated as many reported deaths are not caused by COVID.


Nah, they wouldn't do that ... would they?

New Zealand man who died of gunshot wound to be recorded as COVID-19 death: Report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/new-zealand-man-who-died-of-gunshot-wound-to-be-recorded-as-covid-19-death-report)



:hmmm:

[Catfish]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

[Skybird]

Claims that patients wigth but notof Covid are as old as the anti corona conspiracy league. In Germany we have just had anogher shockfront of claims saying 80 percent died with but not of Corona. But the number magic behind it only covers the time from July to August - when case numbefs were incredibly low and tbeweather helpex to keep them down. The German association of pneumological/lung doctors points out that if you look at all cases over the psst two years, the absolutely overwhelming majority of deaths were patients who did not die with covid but of age and other health conditions, but died of Covid. Over 90 percent.
Its the virus that kills.

[Skybird]

Claims that patients with but not of Covid are as old as the anti corona conspiracy league. In Germany we have just had another shockfront of claims saying 80 percent died with but not of Corona. But the number magic behind it only covers the time from July to August - when case numbers were incredibly low and the weather helped to keep them down. The German association of pneumological/lung doctors points out that if you look at all cases over the past two years, the absolutely overwhelming majority of deaths were patients who did not die with covid and of age and other health conditions, but died of Covid. Over 90 percent.
Its the virus that kills.

[Rockstar]

Umm you can claim conspiracy theory and fact check all you want. But Jimmy the pot head referenced actual media stories.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59639973


Fighting coronavirus is something your immune system has to learn.

One option is to figure it out on the job when you encounter the virus for real. However, there is a risk of getting it wrong and ending up seriously ill.

Vaccines are more like a school - a safer environment to further your immune system's Covid education.

The first dose is the primary school education that nails the fundamentals.

Your second and third doses are comparable to sending your immune system to secondary school and then university to dramatically deepen its understanding. It's not just repeating primary school over and over.

"The immune system is left with a richer knowledge and understanding of the virus," said Prof Jonathan Ball, a virologist from the University of Nottingham.

He said for all the talk of the dastardly tricks of Omicron, a highly-trained immune system is "an incredibly difficult and hostile environment" for the virus and its variants.

[Skybird]

The Frankfurter Rundscau points out that:

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the Novavax vaccine is also often referred to as a "Totimpfstoff" (deactivated/killed vaccine). Thats not right. In fact, it is a protein-based vaccine candidate. At least that's what the US company Novavax writes on its website. The new Minister of Health, Karl Lauterbach, is blowing the same horn. The SPD politician recently wrote on Twitter: “Can you please stop calling the Novavax vaccine a killed vaccine? It's a recombinant protein vaccine. " He further rumbled: "Because so many unvaccinated people only want killed vaccine, for whatever reason, Novavax available soon will be referred to as such." In addition, unlike the vaccine from Novavax, the mRNA corona vaccines are "tried and tested billions of times".

The vaccine from Novavax is therefore not one of the mRNA vaccines, such as those from Biontech and Moderna, nor is it part of the group of vector vaccines (Astrazeneca, Johnson & Johnson). So what does that mean, "recombinant protein vaccine"? In the Novavax vaccine, the so-called spike protein from Sars-CoV-2 is used and reproduced en masse in insect cells. The result is a reaction from the human immune system. After the vaccination, this forms antibodies against the protein, so a corona infection can be warded off. In addition, a potentiator (a so-called adjuvant) is added to strengthen the immune response. This stimulates a large amount of neutralizing antibodies. Immediately after vaccination, the immune system can begin to produce antibodies against the spike protein of the coronavirus - an advantage of the protein-based vaccine.
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BTW, the new German health minister is a competent man for medical topics, being a doctor himself, but that is an understatement. This is his vita on his website:

https://www.karllauterbach.de/karl-lauterbach


In his party he is seen critically because he does not easily or always fall into the party's ideological line, and often rans a one-man show and plotted courses even against the official course set by the party. Many in the SPD reject him, therefore. His medical competence however is even respected in the opposition (AfD excluded, of course).

[Rockstar]

Not much of Jimmy the pothead talking. You think China is today’s equivalent of nazi Germany. This Neil Oliver fella exposes Austrians and other European like minded Nazis.

https://youtu.be/C1W2HkO7i8M

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqx_0scwiRk

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XteixwzvNtc

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrG3Odgf28

[Jimbuna]

MPs will vote later on a set of measures for England aimed at slowing the spread of the Omicron variant.

The BBC estimates about 70 Tory MPs will vote against so-called Covid passes for entry into places like nightclubs but Labour will back it.

In Scotland, new guidelines on social contact will be outlined this afternoon by Nicola Sturgeon but there could be exceptions around Christmas.

Deputy Prime Minister Dominic Raab meanwhile has said "people can feel reassured" about their festive plans.

The government has warned the real number of daily Omicron infections is 200,000 and that hospitalisations are set to "dramatically increase"

But the top vaccine adviser says it would not have made sense to have rolled out boosters to all adults before Omicron was identified.

More than half a million people booked booster jabs on Monday and long queues are forming again at some vaccination centres on Tuesday.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/k4tJVn4g/122077658-uk-card-with-vax-booster-13dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/cg0y2Gwp)

[Skybird]

Die Welt writes:


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According to initial estimates by the US pharmaceutical manufacturer, the newly developed Covid pill from Pfizer is also effective against the new Omikron variant of the coronavirus. The preliminary results of a study with 2250 test subjects also confirmed the first promising findings on the effectiveness of the preparation, announced Pfizer. If the tablet was taken shortly after the first Covid 19 symptoms appeared, this reduced the likelihood of a severe or fatal course by 89 percent among high-risk patients.

In the US, there will soon be a decision on whether the Pfizer pill and that of the competing company Merck will be approved. Americans could then get the drug from the pharmacy and take it at home.


Both Pfizer and Merck tested their tablets on unvaccinated adults with risk factors such as obesity or asthma. Pfizer also gave its pill to non-risk patients - including those who were vaccinated. In this group, 1 percent of the subjects had to be hospitalized after an infection. Of those who received a placebo, it was 2.4 percent.

Experts had expected that the Pfizer pill would also work with Omikron, as it does not attack the spike protein on which most of the mutations in the new variant are located.
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[Rockstar]

You people and your obsession over taking pills and vaccines need help.

Illness anxiety disorder, sometimes called hypochondriasis or health anxiety, is worrying excessively that you are or may become seriously ill. You may have no physical symptoms. Or you may believe that normal body sensations or minor symptoms are signs of severe illness, even though a thorough medical exam doesn't reveal a serious medical condition.

You may experience extreme anxiety that body sensations, such as muscle twitching or fatigue, are associated with a specific, serious illness. This excessive anxiety — rather than the physical symptom itself — results in severe distress that can disrupt your life.

Illness anxiety disorder is a long-term condition that can fluctuate in severity. It may increase with age or during times of stress. But psychological counseling (psychotherapy) and sometimes medication can help ease your worries.

Hypochondria

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, no longer includes hypochondriasis — also called hypochondria — as a diagnosis. Instead, people previously diagnosed with hypochondriasis may be diagnosed as having illness anxiety disorder.

[August]

You people and your obsession over taking pills and vaccines need help.

Haven't you heard? Better living through chemistry! :)

[Catfish]

https://i.imgur.com/8T5vPZ9l.jpg


also applies for the US :haha:

[mapuc]

^ :har:

Todays corona numbers from Denmark
Infected 8314 out of 201322 test= 4.13 % positive.
498 in the hospital whereof 70 in ICU and 46 in Respirator.

Markus

[August]

https://i.imgur.com/8T5vPZ9l.jpg


also applies for the US :haha:

What's it say?

[Jimbuna]

What's it say?

New signs is that necessary?

The sign reads (welcome to saschen wik free state, not all are like that)

[Skybird]

The Saxons have established a reputation to be extremely anti-vacc and far right leaning, also the Reichsbürger are strong here, and general democracy and state scepticism.



The sign reads "Welcome to the free state of Saxony: We are not all like that".

[Skybird]

Bad news for the booster campaign in Germany. The reason: serious shortage of vaccines. According to "Spiegel" information, the new health minister Karl Lauterbach is said to have informed the health ministers of the federal states about this at today's ministerial conference. "Far too little vaccine was bought for the entire first quarter. The quantities are not enough to drive the booster vaccination campaign," said Lauterbach accordingly. An improvement is also not to be expected so quickly: "In the important month of the booster campaign, the vaccine is missing. And the situation is no better in February and March."

The situation is "extremely difficult," he is also quoted as saying. "I always praised my predecessor. But we have a serious shortage of vaccines in the coming year. That is the result of our inventory."

According to the health minister, there were only 1.2 million and 0.8 million doses from Biontech in the last two weeks of this year. In the first week of January, only 1.2 million cans would be added. This will reduce the number of vaccine doses to one sixth compared to before. Moderna could at least deliver 10 million booster cans per week. In the second, third and fourth week of January there will be a total of only 3.6 million booster doses per week, "Spiegel" continues to quote Lauterbach.

Lauterbach promised the health ministers, who were shocked according to "Spiegel", that he would now personally take care of contact with Biontech and Moderna and other countries as well, in order to organize vaccines.



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Too little, too late, dodging. Too little, too late, dodging. The now gone old health minister Jens Spahn stayed loyal to his motto until the bitter end. Be late, then do too little, and dodge the fallout.

[Sean C]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/


So, that website claims that another website is right-leaning. So what? That is a form of the "argument from authority" fallacy. It doesn't really matter who said it if it is true. And who made "mediabiasfactcheck" the arbiter of who is who and who is correct? Sites like this, including Snopes and Politifact, have gotten their own fair share of criticism for being biased themselves.



It doesn't even matter, anyway. The link I provided is just one of many reporting on the story - and not only in NZ. All you have to do is search the topic for yourself.

[Catfish]

^ The core of this story may be true, but does that really mean that all counted covid deaths are untrue, because they found this one person?
This is picking out one fact and blowing it up out of proportion, something that has become mainstream in the last five years to "prove" one's opinion. I don't buy it, especially not from this website.

[mapuc]

It all fall back to what our standpoint is.

I'm pretty sure none of us is expert on Virus-Some of you may have some knowledge but not expert.

So all in all what we post and link to depends on our standpoints.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ Right. Everyone lives in his own world of opinion, looking for evidence to only support his own point of view. This is what they call the filter bubble.
So we see one isolated case, blow it out of proportion and argue this is true for all?

You have to admit that numbers do play a role. Picking out exemptions and outliers you just picked because they support your opinion have not the same 'value' if you know what i mean. The real facts do not care about opinions. You can demonstrate against the corona virus, what do you think where this gets you.

[mapuc]

^ Right. Everyone lives in his own world of opinion, looking for evidence to only support his own point of view. This is what they call the filter bubble.
So we see one isolated case, blow it out of proportion and argue this is true for all?

You have to admit that numbers do play a role. Picking out exemptions and outliers you just picked because they support your opinion have not the same 'value' if you know what i mean. The real facts do not care about opinions. You can demonstrate against the corona virus, what do you think where this gets you.

You don't have to ask me whether Covid-19 is real or not, because it is very much real and very much deadly for some of us.

Yes real facts do not care about opinions...
To have an opinion you must have insight knowledge about the subject being discussed.
That's my opinion.

Markus

[Sean C]

Of course not all deaths are incorrectly reported. But the fact that any are should be cause for some concern. Especially when it is done following WHO guidelines. I never said this was the norm or even common, so who is really "picking out one fact and blowing it up out of proportion"?


Go ahead and choose not to believe that particular website. Like I wrote: there are dozens of others reporting on the same story. And then there are other examples from other locations - like this one:



Colorado coroner calling out how state classifies COVID-19 deaths (https://www.kmov.com/news/colorado-coroner-calling-out-how-state-classifies-covid-19-deaths/article_297e3550-4131-11eb-9f01-ffe3e11d0f46.html)


As for "demonstrat against the corona virus", I don't know who you are referring to. If it's me, you are simply wrong. What I [I]am doing is pointing out some "discrepancies" in what we are being told. Where I think that will get me is: closer to the truth.

[mapuc]

Some numbers here from Denmark

Since the first vaccine was given around 4415 have died within 30 days after first or second jab.

Number of dead from Corona 3023.

One may think - The vaccine is more deadly than Corona itself.

But is this true !?
A majority of those who died from the vaccines were elderly or vulnerable people. The question here is.
How many would have survived and how many would have been infected with Corona and die from it ??

The problem is that a majority of those who died from Covid-19 also was elderly or vulnerable people
The question here is
How many would have lived if they got a vaccine and how many would have died from this.

Markus

[Catfish]

@Markus yes, and it is even worse. The anti-vaccers always say that "the numbers have not gone down", but what they should calculate is how those 'absolute' numbers compare to the exponential growth of the virus, which show a massive suppression. But i take it it is understood by you.

@SeanC: I know what you mean and those cases wrongly reported, if seldom or more, should not happen. Humanity is not perfect, indeed no id is.
It is after all good that wrong assumptions are being called out, fully ok.

But you said small numbers ok, but still they should be of some concern. Of course, but this is exactly what some media will exploit, and only this. This some concern is set equal to the overall picture – after all opinions are all worth the same, or so we are told. But they are not.
They have to be noticed and put into the overall statistics, but they are still not what the overall/main numbers are telling.

Look for wrongly counted covid deaths, and you will find lots. Ok.
Now search for rightly reported deaths and compare the numbers. More.
And still there is an additional problem: correct numbers or facts have seldom made headlines, or woke the attention of people looking for sensational news. They call the news "truth makers", in Australia.
I do not accuse you, me or anyone of this, this is human. But stay alert.

[Skybird]

"Corona shouldn't get you, grandfather!"
https://img.zeit.de/zett/2020-11/deutscher-karikaturenpreis-das-sind-die-witzigsten-cartoons-2020-gallery-1-images/507_platz3_ariplikat_druck-deutscher-karikaturpreis-2020-cartoons-corona.jpg/imagegroup/original__1000x1355


https://mar.prod.image.rndtech.de/var/storage/images/oz/mecklenburg/bad-doberan/kunst-in-kuehlungsborn-cartoons-an-litfasssaeulen/763432824-3-ger-DE/Kunst-in-Kuehlungsborn-Corona-Cartoons-an-Litfasssaeulen_reference_4_3.jpg

[Skybird]

It didn't take long: yesterday I cautiously conceded a few advance praise to the new German health minister - and he replied with the first really loud cracking wrong decision of his ministry. In order to motivate more people to boost, everybody who got be boosted should no longer be subject to mandatory testing. And that although Omikron is only just landing in Germany, but we can already see in our neighboring countries how incredibly fast it really hits: the number of infections doubled every three days.

The man is considered an evidence fanatic. Where is that now?

Impressively lousy start.


[Note to myself: please finally learn it, Sky. NEVER ever trust, praise or sympathise with politicians again.]

[Rockstar]

You all need to see this! OMG what hell is going on in Germany going off the deep end again I see. :har:

“More hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion." - C. P Snow

https://youtu.be/Bw-dE3d6zLA

[em2nought]

You all need to see this! OMG what hell is going on in Germany going off the deep end again I see. :har:

“More hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion." - C. P Snow

https://youtu.be/Bw-dE3d6zLA

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p960x960/120335827_10157677798062005_5298205055975630118_n. jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=36a2c1&_nc_ohc=71BZF2EaiI0AX-og4f9&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=00_AT8YUsAttqwa3un4COm3XTpT4sN4v5AF2jCyinijo3u3 pA&oe=61DFAA4C


:har:

[Catfish]

Federal police in the Hannover train station, press publication (translation by Google)

Mask refusers at train stations repeatedly cause trouble for the federal police
(Photo: picture alliance / dpa | Federico Gambarini

Emotional statement by the federal police: "Dear mask grumpies ... you are annoying!"

The federal police are fed up - on Sunday night they had to deal with massive violations of the corona protective measures in Hanover main station. The controls of mask refusers often escalate, as examples from the police show. The federal police counted 57 violations of the mask requirement on a total of Saturday night at Hanover main station - clearly too many, as an annoyed press release on Sunday shows:

“We are not discussing with you. And we are not interested in your opinion either! Just put on your mask and save us your prosperity-defiance. We have better things to do!"
:haha:

[Sean C]

Meanwhile, from the WHO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ded_AxFfJoQ

[Rockstar]

Read the manufacture’s statement on the box. No, masks do not provide protection against viral infection. Only thing I know of that prevents infection is an encapsulation suit or total isolation. Though I must admit even those countermeasures didn’t help anyone at the Wuhan lab.

“ When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion." - C. P Snow

[mapuc]

The records keep on coming. Yesterday there was 8314 infected or 4.13 % of those who had been tested positive.

Today's number infected is 8773 or 4.27 %

The Danish Crown Princess Mary has been tested positive for Covid-19

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfO8verFP7E

[Jimbuna]

Prime Minister Boris Johnson will lead a Downing Street press conference at 17:00 GMT

He will be accompanied by England’s chief medical officer Chris Whitty and NHS England’s Dr Nikki Kanani.

The Omicron variant is "probably the most significant threat" since the pandemic began, Dr Jenny Harries warns.

The head of the UK Health Security Agency says the doubling time of the variant is now under two days in most of the UK

Covid cases are set to surge past the previous peak seen at the start of 2021, says an infectious diseases expert and government adviser.

But Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says the government believes England's Covid measures "will see us through to the new year"

Over-18s in England can now book a booster appointment from two months after their second dose.

Meanwhile, England's Covid pass scheme begins despite a revolt among Tory MPs

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/brNVmfVf/122220407-uk-card-with-vax-booster-14dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/mzJSrJGm)

[Rockstar]

Federal police in the Hannover train station, press publication (translation by Google)

Mask refusers at train stations repeatedly cause trouble for the federal police
(Photo: picture alliance / dpa | Federico Gambarini

Emotional statement by the federal police: "Dear mask grumpies ... you are annoying!"

The federal police are fed up - on Sunday night they had to deal with massive violations of the corona protective measures in Hanover main station. The controls of mask refusers often escalate, as examples from the police show. The federal police counted 57 violations of the mask requirement on a total of Saturday night at Hanover main station - clearly too many, as an annoyed press release on Sunday shows:

“We are not discussing with you. And we are not interested in your opinion either! Just put on your mask and save us your prosperity-defiance. We have better things to do!"
:haha:

Ya sounds really like German police are so caring. But watching the video why would they drive a knee into an 80 years old woman and throw her to the ground? Seems like that’s more of threat to your health than omnikron is.

[Skybird]

Oh my god here comes the mask BS again... Some of you guys really need a new hobby.



Yes, virusses are too small to be filtered out by FFP2 masks.



No, Corona virusses of the kind we now deal with do not freely float in the air, but stick to bigger particles like dust, aersoles droplets etc.



Yes, FFP2 masks filter such - and bigger - particles.


This is what they are great in- because that is the primary purpose they were made for in the first.


FFP2 masks and other masks work. And very good, if worn correctly. If worn inc orretcly, they are like an anti-mosquito mesh filling only half of the doorway, leavign the other half open. Would that stupid setup be an argumen to say:" mosqito meshes do not work"? Mosquito meshes work better than any chemical repellant or aromatized candle.



Some of you do not care at all for whether what you say make sense or not. You justz want to rumble and win a fight. Somehoiw you think that that is what its about: winnign a fight for the sole purpose of winning it. Wether the winner is right or wrong, is not really of interest. Main thing is that he "wins" over the other party.



And after the win the big biblical flood, who cares, it doesn't matter: a win is still a win. :yeah:


Its like claiming that 1+1 is 11, defending it with Roman letter sinstead of arabic numbers, just so to have a fight with those saying1+1 is 2, and then wining by having them falling silent.



https://i0.wp.com/peterhellemann.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/15168191621813889916clipart-vogel-zeigen.hi_.png?resize=600%2C413

[mapuc]

The Breaking news here is of course Crown princess Mary got infected, the other news is that Omicron is stronger than expected even those who are fully vaccinated get infected. The government need to impose stronger restrictions.


Edit
From the news here in Denmark

The Omikron variant presents 'serious concerns' because it spreads rapidly and also affects people who have been vaccinated.
Vaccinating the population is not enough to curb the spread of the disease, a new risk assessment from the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) said on Wednesday.

A 'strong effort' is needed, says ECDC Director Andrea Ammon.

In the current situation, vaccination alone will not be able to prevent the impact of the omicron variant, because there will be no time to do anything about the vaccination gap that still exists, she says in a press release.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Its like claiming that 1+1 is 11, defending it with Roman letter sinstead of arabic numbers, just so to have a fight with those saying1+1 is 2, and then wining by having them falling silent.


1+1 = 10
In Binary.
:haha:

[Rockstar]

The Breaking news here is of course Crown princess Mary got infected, the other news is that Omicron is stronger than expected even those who are fully vaccinated get infected. The government need to impose stronger restrictions.


Edit
From the news here in Denmark



Markus

Funny, news from Africa and the U.S. says omnikron is no worse than the flu, some say even less. Also, I would have hoped by now people would finally understand that even fully vaccinated can become infected and shed virus. But I guess that intel hasn’t the shores of Europe yet.

Speaking of wanting to rumble and win a fight, German police are using knee strikes to the chest on little old ladies and straight arm bar take downs to drive them into the ground face first to protect their health from omnikron.

Ya all need to step back, take a deep breath and relax.

[Jeff-Groves]

We need a New conspiracy thing.
Like what if Covid is the new Seasoning and tenderizing process for the Reptilian Under Word Aliens. And they are preparing for a massive harvest of the Surface Cattle? (Humans)
Of course the shots are the Governments working with the Under Lords!
:hmmm:

[Rockstar]

I am sending two of my representatives over to inquire how you came to know about this tenderizing process. Don’t worry everything will be fine they just want to talk

[mapuc]

Funny, news from Africa and the U.S. says omnikron is no worse than the flu, some say even less. Also, I would have hoped by now people would finally understand that even fully vaccinated can become infected and shed virus. But I guess that intel hasn’t the shores of Europe yet.


This is why I've stopped believing in anything anymore.
Except that Covid-19 is real and can be deadly for some.
I believe it because I have relatives who got it and was very sick from it.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

I am sending two of my representatives over to inquire how you came to know about this tenderizing process. Don’t worry everything will be fine they just want to talk

https://media.tenor.com/images/86e753bd149e4b36fe31da9287d1b45c/tenor.gif

[mapuc]

Talking about conspiracy and Corona.

One of the weirdest I have heard so far was that 5 G was used to transport the virus through the air.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Rockstar will be sending someone to talk to you also!
:o

[mapuc]

Rockstar will be sending someone to talk to you also!
:o

They are so heartily welcome I'll take them from the rear.(I'm a rear admiral)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The UK has recorded the highest number of daily Covid-19 cases since the beginning of the pandemic, with 78,610 new cases on Wednesday.

The previous record was 68,053 on 8 January - when the UK was in lockdown.

The head of the UK Health Security Agency, Dr Jenny Harries, earlier warned the Omicron variant is "probably the most significant threat" since the pandemic began.

Cases have risen by nearly 20,000 in one day - on Tuesday, 59,610 confirmed cases were confirmed by the government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59673150

[Jeff-Groves]

They are so heartily welcome I'll take them from the rear.(I'm a rear admiral)

Markus
:o
Is that the Military term for butt pirate?

[AVGWarhawk]

The UK has recorded the highest number of daily Covid-19 cases since the beginning of the pandemic, with 78,610 new cases on Wednesday.

The previous record was 68,053 on 8 January - when the UK was in lockdown.

The head of the UK Health Security Agency, Dr Jenny Harries, earlier warned the Omicron variant is "probably the most significant threat" since the pandemic began.

Cases have risen by nearly 20,000 in one day - on Tuesday, 59,610 confirmed cases were confirmed by the government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59673150

Jim, on what account does the virus run so rampant in the UK?

[Rockstar]

IMO I think its just the availability of testing. I noticed too on the chart he posts it only lists “Deaths within 28 days of a test” Doesn’t say if death was actually attributed to COVID. In fact it doesn’t say what they died of. Could be they died from a stroke but since they tested positive within 28 days from the time of death, EEEK ITS COVID!

[Skybird]

1+1 = 10
In Binary.
:haha:
It depends on your skin colour. Mathematics and its laws have recently been declared a racial discrimination thing. Since then, mathematical results must be seen as "relative". :03:

[Skybird]

35 million doses of Modern vaccine planned for next year, which is used in Germany mainly for the booster jab, will be delivered earlier than planned, Moderna agreed, the German health minister announced. Background is that the inventory of his department showed a shortage of vaccine that endangers the boostering campaign.


Myself, I look forward to the booster jab on January 10th. If then vaccine is still available.

[mapuc]

A new Sad Record

Yesterday there were 8773 or 4.27 % infected Danes

Today the number of infected is 9999 or 4.8 %.

The government has issued stronger restriction-Which is kind of late now.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Jim, on what account does the virus run so rampant in the UK?

Can't say for sure Chris. Can only go on the official figures but Rockstar is quite correct on what he posts, get tested and said test is positive, get run over by a bus on leaving the test centre and that death is classified as a covid fatality :doh:

[Silent Otto]

New here and fully admit to NOT reading all 639!! pages to date.


I watched this virus from the onset here and initially kept copies of the stats coming out of the Chinese Health Department, until they stopped. Switched over to the John Hopkin's site which became a daily ritual, then with all the under and non- reporting countries, that information became useless.


I will add, as an American expat, I am appalled on the U.S. State Department policy of not caring for Americans living abroad. They still tax us (one of only two countries in the whole world that does!), require me to verify my finances annually, and file taxes as usual BUT cannot be bothered with providing access to vaccines during a "once in a century" global pandemic.


Our Charge de Affairs in Bangkok donates +1 million doses of Pfizer to the country, the health minister asks if he needs to set aside any amount to cover American citizens living here and is told - NO, don't worry, use them as you see fit. Considering the American taxpayer paid for it, imagine how my wife and I feel about that.


As a retired military member, I can say "that's really sad" about my own government, considering China, Japan, France, Switzerland and maybe more nations by now, conditioned their donations with the agreement there citizens would be allocated a percentage of what was donated.


We ended up getting 2 doses of AstraZeneca (lucky as most had to take Sinovac for the 1st dose) and just got a booster shot of Moderna, which was part of a Red Cross donation which we were extremely lucky to get in on.


The AstraZeneca shots weren't bad, but boy that Moderna kick our asses for a full day plus!! Maybe one day, I will get to try out that Pfizer that I paid for!?!?!


Tim

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XOerG5R290

[Jimbuna]

Family visits over Christmas will be down to individuals to decide on, the PM's spokesman says.

France puts tough new restrictions on travellers from the UK, who will need a "compelling reason" to go.

From Saturday, travellers will have to have a negative Covid test within less than 24 hours.

The Bank of England raises interest rates from 0.1% to 0.25% despite fears Omicron could slow the UK economy.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson insists England is not being put into lockdown by stealth.

England's chief medical officer Chris Whitty tells MPs people must make their own choices about festive socialising.

And he says there is still debate about whether Omicron inflicts a milder version of the illness.

The Royal family's pre-Christmas lunch is cancelled due to fears it would risk too many people's festive plans.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/nhjzC19Y/122231237-uk-card-with-vax-booster-15dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/5XJ1rL36)

[mapuc]

I read an article about people who are asymptomatic throughout the pandemic 2 out of 5 haven't shown any symptoms despite being infected. In the article there was a link

Maybe you can get something out of it

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2787098

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Can't say for sure Chris. Can only go on the official figures but Rockstar is quite correct on what he posts, get tested and said test is positive, get run over by a bus on leaving the test centre and that death is classified as a covid fatality :doh:

Today's news advised London is a ghost town.

[Jimbuna]

Today's news advised London is a ghost town.

Yep, this is six hours ago.

TomTom reports 8am-9am London congestion level of 49% today as workers shun going into the office .

Lowest figure for that period since the end of the summer holidays on September 3, excluding half-term .

Photographs show major stations looking empty and normally-bustling areas appearing to be very quiet.

Number of commuters travelling on the London Underground this morning falls 31 per cent week-on-week.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10316583/Workforce-stays-home-Londons-roads-quietest-summer.html

[mapuc]

Many doctors and nurses go to work, despite being infected with Corona.

Their work area is very restricted-They only work with patient that already is infected with Corona.

Markus

[Skybird]

German statistical modelers expect that the Omikron infection rate per day in Germany probably will raise in early January to a value between 400,000 and 700,000. Currently, for Decembre 16th, the RKI gives an official number for all Corona strains and Delta infections per day of 56,600.

Medical experts say that such raised rates speak for that the raised infection rate is not only due to weakening immunity from vaccination after some time, but is a sign that Omikron in itself is indeed several times as infectous as Delta was.

Currently Omikron makes only a super-small fraction of cases in Germany. But in 3 weeks, Omikron will have become the dominant variant in Germany.

Usually it is said that Omikron is around 4 times as infectous as Delta, if not more.

[Skybird]

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:


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Researchers from London show what a rapidly spreading virus that can escape immune protection and is more infectious than previous variants could do.

"Omikron overshadows everything that we have seen so far in terms of growth rates in Sars-CoV-2 variants," says Dirk Brockmann, physicist and specialist in mathematical models at the Humboldt University in Berlin, at an expert briefing by Science Media Center Germany on Wednesday. The doubling of the number of cases is four times faster than with all previously circulating coronaviruses.

The situation is actually very similar to that before the very first corona wave in March 2020. Because Omikron can largely escape the immune protection of people who have been vaccinated twice and those who have recovered, the virus hits a population that is largely unprotected, emphasizes the Berliner Scientist.

"We currently have to assume that only people in the first months after the third vaccination are largely, but not completely, protected from infection by Omikron," adds virologist Sandra Ciesek from the University of Frankfurt. The situation is made even more difficult by the fact that Omikron can not only escape the immune system, but is also more infectious per se than previous variants.
Four scenarios for the further course

Accordingly, it is to be expected that a large number of people will be infected in a pandemic dominated by Omikron. This situation will appear to occur in Europe by January at the latest. For Great Britain, a research group from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine has now calculated what this could mean for the coming months in the UK.

Since some key figures such as the extent of the immune flight or the effectiveness of three vaccine doses cannot yet be precisely stated, the researchers have designed four scenarios: a very optimistic one in which the virus only slightly escapes immune protection and the boosters are very effective. In a very pessimistic way, the new variant can infect many vaccinated and convalescent people, and even three vaccination doses only offer moderate protection.

Even in the optimistic scenario, 20.9 million people in Great Britain (a good 67 million inhabitants) would be infected with Omikron between now and the end of April next year, 175,000 would have to go to hospital and 24,700 would die. In the worst scenario, there would even be more than 34 million infected people, 492,000 hospitalized and 74,800 deaths. In other words, a third to half of the UK population could become infected with Omikron by spring. The data available to date on immune escape and booster efficiency suggest that at least the optimistic scenario corresponds to a somewhat overly positive assessment.

So far there is no similar model for Switzerland or Germany, apparently due to a weak database. So you don't yet know how high the proportion of Omicron cases in all new infections really is. However, there is no reason to assume that the Omicron pandemic will turn out significantly different in Switzerland or Germany.
What will happen depends on the measures that are now taken

But it is by no means said that any of the London researchers' scenarios will become reality at all. Because all these numbers are modeling in the event that no further measures than the currently valid measures are taken against the spread, write the London specialists for mathematical models.

"It is a warning of what could happen," says Brockmann. Therefore, such numbers should be a loud wake-up call for politicians to draw up emergency plans now and take preventive measures. And the population must understand that the pandemic is anything but over with the vaccinations and limit contacts, adds Ciesek.

Mind you, the measures will be necessary to prevent overloading the hospitals and the health system. Despite all the terrible news, Omikron is not a killer for anyone infected.

Because two vaccinations hardly provide any protection against infection. But they can protect against serious illness. The vaccine effectiveness in terms of severe Covid 19 disease is still 60 to 70 percent compared to Omikron (compared to Delta, however, it was over 90 percent). And young, healthy people do not have a higher risk of disease in an omicron wave than in a delta wave.

It is unclear whether Omikron is more harmless, at least with regard to the course of the disease, as is sometimes claimed. Ciesek is not convinced that Omikron always causes milder gradients. According to initial data from Denmark, the hospitalization rate for Omikron infected people is similar to that for Delta patients. The fact that fewer people are currently dying from an omicron infection in South Africa than at the beginning of the delta wave could also be due to the protective effect of the vaccinations.

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Or more sunlight, Vitamine D.



Ah it sucks that pharmaceutical companies cannot make a fortune with selling simple vitamines anymore. :03:

[mapuc]

^ Even though it was bad news you posted there were some light in the article.

Fully vaccinated is protected up to 60-70 % from getting very sick from Omicron.

In a Press meeting earlier today you could see the difference between Delta and Omicron when it comes to how contagious omicron is and how effective the vaccine is.

Last year at this time 3-4000 was tested positive. Today 9999 have been tested positive.
Last year at this time around 900 was in the hospital whereof xx was in ICU/Respirator. Today 517 is in hospital whereof 61 is in ICU and 42 in Respirator.
It's thank to the vaccine that the number of patient isn't higher.

But as the leader from State Serum institute said-If we don't stop this omicron from spreading the numbers in hospital may increase the following month.

Tomorrow the Government has issued a press meeting where we will hear about what kind of restriction we will get.

Markus

[Silent Otto]

Data is still coming in and studies vary about effectiveness rates but, the consistent agreement is that the MRNA type vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) are the best, most effective shot as a booster, regardless of what your first and second doses were. Most panels (FDA/CDC, etc.) if given a choice prefer Pfizer but agree that the MRNA produces more antibodies to prevent infection.


IMO, Omicron will develop into something worse (next mutation). They are watching if it combines with Delta, FLU (H5N series) or the common cold virus and that could really spell trouble as typically cold & flu season peaks over the Christmas period. More people die from flu than any other disease.


Of note, back in 2019 when "Coronavirus" was off all the news channel's radar (too fixated on Trump), the CDC was watching a Flu spread in China that gave indications it could become a global pandemic. It didn't, as everyone went into lockdown but...China is starting to experience another avian flu (H5N6) this year and its spreading across that country. Let's hope we don't get another xmas present! Hello Sigma!

[Exocet25fr]

After the Pass the microchip !:har: et voilà......

You said conspirator, poor idiot people, No thanks for me !:yeah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl_gemn9a9E

[Skybird]

German media quote The Lancet with that the vaccine Valneva is practically a dud when being used as a booster/third jab.

This results must be seen separately form using Valneva for the first two jabs. In this case it seems to do well - for the standards of two vaccinations.

If the first two jabs were Astrazenca, Moderna seems to work best as a booster.

If the first two jabs were BioNTech, then AZ, J&J and Moderna all are suited well as a booster. German results from earlier this month indicated that in this scenario the Moderna booster may have the edge over the other two boosters.

Mixing two vaccines for main vaccination and boostering seems to be the parole in any case.
So far all results indicate that in any case the mRNA vaccines perform best, and better than vector-based and protein-based vaccines.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/YqqkRdP7/122248478-uk-card-with-vax-booster-16dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/Sj5wNfq1)

[Jimbuna]

Wales must introduce further restrictions because “the storm of Omicron is coming our way”, First Minister Mark Drakeford says.

In a press conference at the same time, Nicola Sturgeon warns the "tsunami is starting to hit" Scotland.

From 27 December, nightclubs in Wales must close in response to the Omicron variant.

Social distancing will also be required in shops and workplaces.

In Scotland, people have already been advised to limit socialising to three households in the run-up to Christmas.

The UK reported a record 88,375 daily Covid cases on Thursday.

The Archbishop of Canterbury says he was "disappointed" to see a photo of a Tory staff party during lockdown last Christmas.

And President Biden warns unvaccinated Americans faces a winter of severe illness and death because of Omicron.

[mapuc]

Another sad record.

Today's number infected here in Denmark is 11194 or 5.04 % of those who was tested. Yesterday it was 9999.

In hospital 518, whereof 64 in ICU and 35 in Respirator.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6C-2FNy8I

[AVGWarhawk]

The pill developed for use after being infected needs to go on the market asap.

[mapuc]

I don't know what to make of this comment made on Danish tv in the news at 18
Following was said by
Allan Randrup Thomsen who's a Danish professor of experimental virology at the Faculty of Health Sciences at the University of Copenhagen.

"Lastly, I would like to keep the corona pass for restaurants and bars. Maybe not so much for the infection-suppressing effect, but to get those who want access to these benefits pressured into the fact that it is probably easier to get vaccinated, because we have an age group that needs a little push in that direction."

Markus

[Skybird]

He is right.


And there are so many other restrictions and enforced duties that everybody accepts without making a big tamtam about it. Seatbelts when driving a car. Several vaccinations at school. No alcohol below a certain age. Taxes.



Religious wars like about vaccination we have seen over seatbelts when they were introduced as mandatory in the 80s, btw. "They can take my life but not my freedom to drive." Seatbelts force the neck and boy into a body psoition that does damage to the backbone and could give you a round back at higher age. You could not escape from a burnign car in case of an accident. Hell, not one stupid joke that was too stupid to not use it as a serious argument against mandatory seatbelts in cars.



Yawn.


There are much more serious and damaging things the state enforces citizens to do, than to get vaccinated against Covid-19. Much more serious things. And not one word of protest.



Hilarious.

[Exocet25fr]

Are you ready for the microchip too....!?:o

[Skybird]

Under my skin? No..


On the other hand, we do embrace heart pace makers if we need them, or not...

[Exocet25fr]

are heart pace makers oppressive ?:)

[Skybird]

Are vaccines?


Heart pacemakers do not even serve the common good, do not improve protection of the other. Vaccines do.


I am all for certification of vaccination that cannot be forged. Just not via chips under the skin that in principle pave the way for abuse of the technology. Its not needed this way.

[Rockstar]

He is right.


And there are so many other restrictions and enforced duties that everybody accepts without making a big tamtam about it. Seatbelts when driving a car. Several vaccinations at school. No alcohol below a certain age. Taxes.



Religious wars like about vaccination we have seen over seatbelts when they were introduced as mandatory in the 80s, btw. "They can take my life but not my freedom to drive." Seatbelts force the neck and boy into a body psoition that does damage to the backbone and could give you a round back at higher age. You could not escape from a burnign car in case of an accident. Hell, not one stupid joke that was too stupid to not use it as a serious argument against mandatory seatbelts in cars.



Yawn.


There are much more serious and damaging things the state enforces citizens to do, than to get vaccinated against Covid-19. Much more serious things. And not one word of protest.



Hilarious.

Here’s a news flash for all of the good Germans. There is absolutely no risk in involved by wearing seat belts or being refused alcohol. Whereas there IS RISK in taking unapproved still experimental vaccines it even says so on every single bottle of the stuff and in my opinion anyone who demands or mandates the use of experimental drugs is a bunch of unethical jackboot thugs who don’t dont know their arise from a hole the ground.

And dont even start lecturing to us how “rare” it is. In bio medicine there is no such thing as ‘rare” they say its only “the tip of the iceberg”.

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. - Nuremberg Code 1947

When the State begins AGAIN to view one group of people as undesirable and kicking them in the chest, denying the services, segregating them, belittling them and whatnot. But then help the loyal party members carry Christmas trees you got problems far worse than COVID. Amazing how fast some revert back to the old ways.

Btw, I’m travelling again stopped and got some waffles this morning. Crowded restaurant, good food, happy, commutative crowd and pretty waitresses but not one mention of COVID or anyone wearing masks or mandates.

[Skybird]

Here’s a news flash my little obedient good German. There is absolutely no risk in involved by wearing seat belts or being refused alcohol. Whereas there IS RISK in taking unapproved vaccines it even says so on every single. Bottle of the stuff. and in my opinion anyone who demands or mandates the use of experimental drugs is a bunch of unethical jackboot thugs who don’t dont know their arise form a holes the ground.

The BT vaccine is fully approved both over here and in your country, my little blokeheaded brave American.

Sideffect rates have been repeaterly calculated and shown in media to be even lower than those of most other vaccines against other deseases.

A 100.00% fail safe vaccine without any side effect chances does not exist, eveer has, and most likely never will.

[mapuc]

If I understand what been said in the news It so to say doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not-when it comes to being infected by this omicron.

There are so many vaccinated who are tested positive.

BUT and this is important-Maybe a person get infected despite being vaccinated, the vaccine protect this person from getting very sick.

Markus

[Skybird]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/omicron-found-to-grow-70-times-faster-than-delta-in-bronchial-tissue



The Omicron Covid variant has been found to multiply about 70 times quicker than the original and Delta versions of coronavirus in tissue samples taken from the bronchus, the main tubes from the windpipe to the lungs, in laboratory experiments that could help explain its rapid transmission.
The study, by a team from the University of Hong Kong, also found that the new variant grew 10 times slower in lung tissue, which the authors said could be an indicator of lower disease severity.

Thats the problem. The percentage of serious cases may be lower, but due to the immense acceleration of infection rates you nevertheless get more seriously ill, and greater numbers of infected in total.

In Germany they now officially speak of the coming fifth wave. It is feared to cause massive raises in sick leaves even in most critical working fields.

[Rockstar]

The BT vaccine is fully approved both over here and in your country, my little blokeheaded brave American.

Sideffect rates have been repeaterly calculated and shown in media to be even lower than those of most other vaccines against other deseases.

A 100.00% fail safe vaccine without any side effect chances does not exist, eveer has, and most likely never will.

The hell they are fully approved by the FDA, read it again. They approved under Emergency Use Act only still, still no safety review still no full FDA approval. We are still part of on-going research.

There are still risks involved and everyone ought to have a say in wether they want participate in medical research EVERYONE.

[mapuc]

Taken from a Danish article

"
However, there is great uncertainty associated with how the omikron variant will develop in Danish society, and thus the calculations, it reads.

This is because it is only three weeks ago that the Omikron variant was first discovered in Denmark. And thus there has been a short period of sufficient data collection in Denmark.

According to SSI, the number of infected and new admissions depends, among other things, on the degree of declining immunity for the Omikron variant and the Danes' general behavior.

In addition, SSI highlights the following factors, all of which make the projections uncertain:

- How well vaccinated and revaccinated individuals are protected from infection and hospitalization

- How contagious the Omikron variant is compared to the Delta variant

- Whether infection with the Omikron variant entails a greater or lesser risk of a serious course of the disease than the Delta variant

- How much more the Omikron variant is capable of causing re-infection

Earlier this week, a statement from the Statens Serum Institut stated that it was only a matter of time before the Omikron variant would become the dominant variant in Denmark.

The highly contagious variant of coronavirus has most recently been estimated to account for approximately 27 percent of cases of infection in Denmark
"

Markus

[mapuc]

The hell they are fully approved by the FDA, read it again. They approved under Emergency Use Act only still, still no safety review still no full FDA approval. We are still part of on-going research.

There are still risks involved and everyone ought to have a say in wether they want participate in medical research EVERYONE.

The Vaccine has passed phase 1 and 2. The emergency approval before phase 3 was due to how serious the Covid-19 was.

Phase 3 is happening as we speak-Doctors and scientist send information to FDA about side effects.

In phase 3 there's somewhere around thousands volunteers

Phase 3 is the phase that take longest time. This is because they mostly has to go way back to phase 2 and sometimes back to square 1.

In this phase 3 there's million of volunteers.

So far I haven't heard anything about remove the vaccine due to massive severe side effect-Yes there's as in all medicin a percentage who get very ill from taking a medication.

The comment above is based on what my doctor told me about vaccine and how she was a test person during her medical studies.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Welcome to reality Mapuc :03:. Yes in a nutshell we are still in ‘research’ mode. And wether in research mode or full approval there are and will be risks involved and because risks are involved people ought to have a say what gets injected in their body. I am utterly amazed at this narrow minded obsession with vaccine as if there is nothing else that can help. Why don’t these mandate Nazis look at other countries and see what they’re doing to quell the cases. You would be absolutely amazed at what they’re accomplishing with treatments and preventative measure besides vaccines and absolute isolation. Yes, better health, treatment before Hospitalization even occurs, nasal irrigation, monoclonals, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and yes even the household bleach.

The people gave their governments great power to enforce their obsession with vaccine and the governments happily took it and you can bet your sweet arse they are not going to give it back.

[Skybird]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Poisoned_Arrow

[Skybird]

London declares state of major incident.


https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-59713157

[Skybird]

The Netherlands go into full lockdown again, from tomorrow, Sunday, on, until January 14th. Only supermarkets and pharmacies stay open. Everything else must shut down.


I think Germany is heading that direction, too. Maybe not already christmas, but soon after that.

[mapuc]

From tomorrow Sunday 0800 Denmark is in lockdown, well partial that is.
There no limit in how many there are allowed to sit in a bus or how many there is in a restaurant as long there's some square meters between the guest.

And no alcohol between 22 and 5

Cinemas and other public indoors activity is closed until Jan 17.

Edit
Just been reading a friends comment on her wall.
She is tested positive with Corona(Delta variant) and she ask her friends where she can buy Ivermectin :o

From Wiki
Ivermectin is used to treat human diseases caused by roundworms and ectoparasites.
I may not have a Medical education but what has roundworms and ectoparasites to do with the Corona virus.
End edit

Markus

[Catfish]

^

https://i.imgur.com/Ukf7niql.jpg

[mapuc]

^ Well ain't it the truth.

Who need a doctor when there's a massive expert available on social media.

(I myself go to my doctor if I feel sick and once per year for checking heart, lungs a.s.o)

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

The Reptilian Under Lords DO NOT want people to congregate in large crowds!
They didn't want the virus to spread and mutate.
They just wanted you to get the Seasoning and Tenderizing shots!

Hold on. someone is at my door.

[Rockstar]

While at the near capacity restaurant eating waffles served by pretty waitresses. Not only was no one wearing masks we were also sitting next to each other. I forgot to add there were no Polizei knocking down people and arresting us or measuring distance between patrons.

All in all it was pretty nice day. Then I look at where Germany is heading again. This time in the name wikipedia, mediabiasfact checking and internet memes we must inoculate everyone arrest the dissenters, ruin their businesses, beat them into submission. Of course the party faithful see that as OK because, we’ll, you know, they’re just following orders.

[Rockstar]

From tomorrow Sunday 0800 Denmark is in lockdown, well partial that is.
There no limit in how many there are allowed to sit in a bus or how many there is in a restaurant as long there's some square meters between the guest.

And no alcohol between 22 and 5

Cinemas and other public indoors activity is closed until Jan 17.

Edit
Just been reading a friends comment on her wall.
She is tested positive with Corona(Delta variant) and she ask her friends where she can buy Ivermectin :o

From Wiki
Ivermectin is used to treat human diseases caused by roundworms and ectoparasites.
I may not have a Medical education but what has roundworms and ectoparasites to do with the Corona virus.
End edit

Markus

Oh god not media fact checkers and Wikipedia again. :wah:


Ivermectin like vaccines is not a cure it is used as a therapeutic to help prevent hospitalization. Once in the hospital ICU it’s too late for Ivermectin

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/

“In addition to the evidence from systematic reviews, the findings of several controlled observational studies are consistent with existing evidence and suggest improved outcomes with ivermectin treatment.”

I’m not saying one is better than the other. But there are options people should be allowed to exercise their options without Brownshirt tactics over this obsession with vaccines.

[Skybird]

Not Ivermectin mythology again.

The Cochrane Foundation currently runs a meta-analysis of 32 studies from last and current year about Ivermectin and Covid-19. While their meta-analysis is not yet completed, they nevertheless already said in early autumn (I think it was early autumn) that with most of their anylsis done they have not found a single study supporting the view that Ivermectin can be used for treating Covid. A few studies they found, they said, indeed seem to indicatee that the drug does slow down a bit the multiplication of the Covid-19 virus - but only when being used at so extensively high doses that it puts the health and even life of the treated patient at risk from the drug.

And that is why Ivermectin is being ruled out by most doctors and health authorities worldwide as a managable drug to tackle Covid with. The negative side-effects and risks in therapeutically effective doses by far outweigh the gains and put the patient at risk from the drug. Killing still is not seen as a valid therapy to get rid of a desease.

So, what is to be learned? Ivermectin does slow down the virus growth. A bit. But only when being used early in high doses that put the patient at severe risk, so that this option is rejected by most doctors. The problem is that you may be willing to apply desperate measures when else the patient would die anyway. But high-dosed Ivermectin must be used so early to be of any use that the patient is in an early state of Covid-19 where you cannot even yet say that he would ever degrade to such a desparte and life-ending status. That is the problem. "Primum non nocere, secundum cavere, tertium sanare" is the medical imperative that doctors follow here: especially the first part, "primum non nocere". Its even an integral part of the Hippocratic oath, I read.

There will be drugs to actuallly treat and hopefully heal Covid-19. Research started late since everbyody was betting on vaccinations instead, which was a mistaken strategy in this exclusivety.But first pills and driugs are beign tested and are ont he way to get approved, and more will follow.

Ivermectin will not be part of this canon.

P.S.
I think the mainstream is as ignorrant on the option to treat with high doses of Iodine like it is ignorrant on the value of highly dosed Vitamine D. But we would need to look back into history just 3 generations, less than 100 years, to see that they used high dosed Iodine to battle virus infections, bacteriological infections, syphillis, and newer studies after WW2 demonstrated its ability to kill Samonella and Legionella. The doses for doing so went up as high as to 4x per day up to 3-4 gr every time (grams, no milligrams or micrograms - full grams!) Thats 9-16 grams per day! In private households, it was a homespun remedy, and many consumed it in daily doses of 100-300 mgr per day - for preventive purposes. And you know what? The success rates were amazing.

And you guys rolled your eyes when I said I take 25 mgr per day... Pffft, I am still lame with that.

If I would get the Covid bug (and knew that I got it...), this is what I would do: I immediately would boost my consuming levels of Vitamine C to minimum 20 mg and probably much more, in small portions over the day (experience tells me that if I had a cold in the past, I could consume a box of 100mg of Vitmaine C in 3 days without my guts protesting, so do animals when they get sick or infected: many mammals can then let their body's Vitamine-C production explode by two digit factors). I would prefer Vitamine-C infusions, but its a bit difficult to get them at the pharmancist's shop#s... I would further boost my Vitamine D to 3-4 x per day 10,000 IE. I would boost my Iodine to 3-4x per day minimum 8 drops of Lugols 5%, that is a b it more than 6.25 mg of Iodine and Iodide per drop, so a daily dose of over 200mg. I would boost my Zinc to 3-4x 25mg per day for two weeks (you should not maintan such Zinc doses forever, it accumulates). All that are cheap measurements, expensive it gets with Ubichinol, I would boost it immediately from 2 to 6 capsules à 200mg per day. Most mainstream doctors then may be ready to send me first into detox and then into a mental asylum. :D But a few doctors there are who know it better. ;)

[mapuc]

When Reading Rockstar and Skybird's answer to one of my post This sentence came into my mind.

Faith move mountains
While Science move planets.

If there's people who believe that Ivermectin will help them fight Covid-19 then be my guest.

I believe in science not falsified science

The health authorities in the US, UK and EU have found there is insufficient evidence for using the drug against Covid, but thousands of supporters, many of them anti-vaccine activists, have continued to vigorously campaign for its use.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

I think Skybird nailed it-Ivermectin is a hoax-when it comes to fight Covid-19(In same category as Moderna, Pfizer and J&J)

Markus

[Skybird]

As I see it the problem is that you must use Ivermectin too early and at too risky doses if it should have a chance to accieve a slow down in virus replication as if you could responsibly recommend the application of it - at an early time when you still do not know if the patient will ever reach a desperate state justifying desperate last measures. If you apply it as a desperate measure when this is clear, then it is too late and will not do anytghing.

Mind you, it is a mainly veterinary drug to combat parasites but is sometimes used for the same purpose on humans, in some countries at least, too. But at much lower doses in case of the latter. Killing bugs seems to be easier than to deactivate a non-cooperative stubborn virus.

Also, Ivermectin only buys you a bit of time by slowing down virus replication rate. it does not "heal" Covid-19.

[Jimbuna]

UK researchers have analysed the likely impact that a Covid booster shot will have on Omicron and say it could provide around 85% protection against severe illness.

The protection is a bit less than vaccines gave against earlier versions of Covid.

But it means the top-up dose should still keep many people out of hospital.

It comes as a record 861,306 booster jabs and third doses were given in the UK on Thursday.

The modelling, from the team at Imperial College London, is based on limited information on Omicron.

The researchers say there is a high degree of uncertainty until more real-world information is gathered about this new variant that is spreading quickly.

Experts are still trying to figure out how mild or severe Omicron will turn out to be.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59696499

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1nqQOn6Rbc

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzwsB6eHeb4

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84XMFVcLScw

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyzN3V1BpbE

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BbJWx_t7AA

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/pT7Sy5Gm/122285289-uk-card-with-vax-booster-19dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/9Rdbn0j2)

[Rockstar]

The man science conspired against real science in order to quell ideas and promote lockdown & vaccine obsession

https://youtu.be/2cv8uN6j4HQ

[August]

The best form of protection against covid is having survived it. Reinfections are so rare as to be practically non existent. Try finding some actual numbers of people with two bouts of covid. They just ain't there. Just predictions based on bull. Of course the vaccine nazis don't want to hear that. Bottom line is you are far more likely to get covid if you are just vaccinated that if you are a survivor.

[Rockstar]

Time for the mandate nazis next shot. Step up and get them now your government knows what’s best for you.

An Alex Jones conspiracy theory come true.

https://youtu.be/lWBV1JUNlQ8

[Jimbuna]

A new Covid drug designed to reduce the risk of vulnerable patients needing hospital treatment will be available on the NHS from today.

Sotrovimab is a monoclonal antibody given as a transfusion to transplant recipients, cancer patients and other high-risk groups.

If given quickly after symptoms develop it is should help prevent people from falling seriously ill with the disease.

Initial tests suggest it should still work against the Omicron variant.

"These new drugs have an important role to play," said Prof Steven Powis, the national medical director of NHS England.

"If you test positive and are at high risk then we will be contacting you, and, if eligible, you will be able to get access to these new treatments."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59721240

[Skybird]

More good news: not only is Omikron minimum four times as infectous as Delta, but it also holds a higher risk of catching reinfections. The risk for that seems to be at least three times higher than with other strains of Covid-19.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/dec/02/omicron-may-cause-more-covid-reinfections-say-south-african-experts

[Skybird]

BioNTech-Pfizer went first, now follows Moderna with claiming that their vaccine has demonstrated in their research that if used as a booster it increases level of antibodies 37-fold, and a double booster raises them by even 83 factors.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/moderna-says-covid-booster-effective-omicron-will-still-develop-new-sh-rcna9322

[Jimbuna]

Wishing I had large investments in those companies :)

[mapuc]

Maybe Omicron isn't so bad than Delta variant, but if you look at how many being admitted these days with omicron, one can see a sharp increase compared to when the Delta came. Between 15 and 20 people are admitted every day, the majority of whom are people infected with omicron. A small portion of them are reinfection

Weeks before Omicron came the number in hospital was stable. Going up and down on daily basis.

Edit
The highest number infected in hospital was in Jan-20 where 947 was admitted. Today the number is 560-20 more than yesterday. Going to be interesting to see if these new restriction can decrease the number being admitted to the hospital.
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Markus

[Skybird]

That indeed is the problem with Omikron. The "gains" of having a lower rate of serious cases when seen in percentage of all infections, is hopelessly marginalised by the total numbers of total cases beingn so high, several times as high, as if the total numbers of severe cases nevertehless wouldn't also rise, and significantly.



Meanwhile, sometimes fate strikes the right one. An AfD member of a German state parliament who has agitated against Corona measurements and denied that the pandemic is a serious thing, got infected and now has died from Covid-19. I will waste a tear if over the day I feel bored a bit.

[mapuc]

Talking about Denmark
Washington Post has an article about Denmark and this Omicron variant.

In a country that tracks the spread of coronavirus variants as closely as any in the world, the signals have never been more concerning. Omicron positives are doubling nearly every two days. The country is setting one daily case record after another. The lab analyzing positive tests recently added an overnight shift just to keep up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/18/omicron-variant-denmark/

Markus

[Catfish]

The more cases the more mutations, spoiling it for all.

[August]

Meanwhile, sometimes fate strikes the right one. An AfD member of a German state parliament who has agitated against Corona measurements and denied that the pandemic is a serious thing, got infected and now has died from Covid-19. I will waste a tear if over the day I feel bored a bit.

Thereby doubling the number of tears that will be shed at your funeral no doubt.

[Reece]

Boys! Boys! :oops:
Remember it's Christmas - Good Will. :yep:

[Sean C]

Amen.

[Skybird]

Two new studies on the risk of myocarditis due to being vaccinated:


https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665


The German FR comments:

According to the study, the risk of heart muscle inflammation is increased in Denmark, especially in women between the ages of 12 and 39. This is surprising, incompatible with previous data and difficult to explain, writes medicine professor Walid Gellad from the University of Pittsburgh in the British Medical Journal about the results of the study. Overall, however, the study confirms what is already known about vaccine-associated myocarditis: "That it is rare, but it does exist."

In the study, the registered cases of cardiac muscle diseases after a corona vaccination were then related to myocarditis diseases that had occurred in non-vaccinated people during the same period, reports the Ärzteblatt. In this comparison, no significant increase was detectable after Biontech vaccinations, but with Moderna vaccinations the data indicated an approximately four times higher probability, according to the Ärzteblatt. However, most of the affected people were able to leave the hospital within 72 hours.

None of the people vaccinated with Moderna developed heart failure. The people vaccinated with Biontech developed one fatal heart failure. Of the 155 patients in the control group, seven suffered heart failure and three died. The risk of dying from myocarditis is therefore even lower for vaccinated people than for unvaccinated people.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

The FR comments:


A study published in the journal Nature comes to a similar conclusion. The researchers from Great Britain compared how often heart diseases occur after corona vaccinations and Covid-19 infections. The result of the study: the risk of having to be treated in hospital for myocarditis after being infected with the coronavirus is higher than after having a corona vaccination.

The research team led by Julia Hippisley-Cox from the University of Oxford examined whether there was more frequent heart muscle inflammation, pericarditis or cardiac arrhythmias in the first 28 days after a vaccination. To this end, the researchers analyzed data from Great Britain, such as the "Hospital Episode Statistics", which record all hospital diagnoses in Great Britain, as well as data on deaths and positive corona test results, reports the Ärzteblatt. Within 28 days of the first Biontech vaccination, an additional myocarditis disease occurred per million people. After a single vaccination with the Moderna vaccine, there were six cases per million people, after the second vaccination ten. However, the values ​​were significantly higher after corona infections.

In the first 28 days after a positive test, there were 40 additional heart muscle diseases per million people. The researchers were only able to determine an increased risk of heart muscle inflammation after vaccinations with the mRNA vaccines in the age group under 40 years.

[Jimbuna]

South African scientists - hailed for their discovery of Omicron - are investigating the "highly plausible hypothesis" that the emergence of new Covid-19 variants could be linked, in some cases, to mutations taking place inside infected people whose immune systems have already been weakened by other factors, including, though not limited to, untreated HIV.

Researchers have already observed that Covid-19 can linger for many months in patients who are HIV positive but who have, for varying reasons, not been taking the medicines that would enable them to lead healthy lives.

"Normally your immune system would kick a virus out fairly quickly, if fully functional," said Professor Linda-Gayle Bekker, who heads the Desmond Tutu HIV Foundation in Cape Town.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-59697807

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/TwzDqPm4/122306475-uk-card-with-vax-booster-20dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/Q9qCjhfQ)

[Rockstar]

Two new studies on the risk of myocarditis due to being vaccinated:


https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665


The German FR comments:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

The FR comments:

Sure people may have not died but as the articles you posted states myocarditis is a response to infection AND vaccination.

Myocarditis is serious and if left untreated can still kill months later especially in people who don’t even know they have it. Enjoy your bike rides hope your heart wasn’t affected by the vaccine. :salute:

FYI most reputable articles also have an authors conflict of interests statement like those found in real peer reviewed journals

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdVymGK3OzM

[Rockstar]

I was looking at South African news sources. I am ashamed to say it is nowhere even close to the absolute omnikron media hysteria and nonsense spewing non stop in the U.S. and European media.

[mapuc]

There are things I don't get.

Same time last year there was around 3-4000 daily infected and no vaccine.

Today more than 77 % got two jab and 23 % got three jab.
Despite this the number infected is skyhigh 13558 have been tested positive the last 24 hours.

The number in hospital has gone down with 27. 554 in hospital.

It must be this Omicron

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNzMJfQFr0s

[Skybird]

Sure people may have not died but as the articles you posted states myocarditis is a response to infection AND vaccination.

Myocarditis is serious and if left untreated can still kill months later especially in people who don’t even know they have it. Enjoy your bike rides hope your heart wasn’t affected by the vaccine. :salute:

FYI most reputable articles also have an authors conflict of interests statement like those found in real peer reviewed journals
Obviously, both studies - ONCE AGAIN like other before - describe that the risk from myocarditis is still small, and that unvaccinated people have a higher risk of dying from it than vacinated people - dyind from myocarditis, not Corona-19 .


You blow it up again and beyond propotions since the real sober facts do not meet your agenda, and never have.


There is not a single vaccine in the world that was ever used without certain quota of the vaccinated people showing this or that side-effect or complicaitons. the question always is not about whether there are any of thes effects, but how many. And the quotas for mRNA vaccines so far are, very, very very low, and they look in total better than quotas for most other vaccines of any kind and any desease being used until today.


Or as one German or Austrian doctor put it some weeks ago on German TV: "We could only wish that all the other vaccines we use since decades would have such low complication rates."


Its not about individual cases. Its about statistics, and statistics always describe trends in whole populations, never individual cases. The alarm "50 people had this or that side-effect" only makes when you know how big the "n" of the sample was. Rxample, 50 hits in 200 jabs, that is one big thing, 20% Such a vaccine would not be used at all. - 50 hits in 300 million jabs is 0.0000026% - practically irrelevant.

[Skybird]

Super, we now have in Germany just 3 months as minimum between 2nd and 3rd jab, and while I had a date with my doc on Ja nuary 10th, I just managed to eek out an earlier date with the local vaccination office instead, and for tomorrow noon. Means I get my booster 2.5 weeks earlier now. Naiß!

[mapuc]

Super, we now have in Germany just 3 months as minimum between 2nd and 3rd jab, and while I had a date with my doc on Ja nuary 10th, I just managed to eek out an earlier date with the local vaccination office instead, and for tomorrow noon. Means I get my booster 2.5 weeks earlier now. Naiß!

Here they say it must go 4½ month between second and third jab.

Markus

[Skybird]

In Germany, it was 6 Months until two weeks ago, when they switched it to 5 months. Since today it is 3 months.

[August]

There are things I don't get.

Same time last year there was around 3-4000 daily infected and no vaccine.

Today more than 77 % got two jab and 23 % got three jab.
Despite this the number infected is skyhigh 13558 have been tested positive the last 24 hours.

The number in hospital has gone down with 27. 554 in hospital.

It must be this Omicron

Markus




That's because covid vaccines are more a placebo than anything else. They don't work.

[Buddahaid]

https://www.torbenrick.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Organizational-silos-Organizational-change-require-breaking-down-silos.jpg

[Rockstar]

So what was said when iomnikron was first found, at worst mild to no symptoms wasn’t it? My how fast that got squashed.

What continues is the gullibility of Covidian, Blue anon cults drooling over the omnikron fear porn. goes to show it is obedient and naive make the best useful idiots.

https://youtu.be/ZENaBNKGhLI

[Skybird]

While the worst case scenario for Germany projects up to 700 thousand infecitons per day, the worst case scenario for the US projects 100 million cases at worst. Considering that the US has quite precisely four tiems bigger a population, one would have expected that estimation to be around 2.8 million, but geography and different settlement density than in Germany seem to make a difference, or what?


These are the published worst case scenarios, they are thw orst that currently is imaginable. If becoming true, critical infrastructure is at risk due to staff missing.



Also, considering these possible value everybody should be aware now how important it is, in the face of an infection wave bigger and more aggressive than anything before (some virologists spoke of the most infectous virus they have ever seen) to get boosted so to help increasing the immunity strength. It was reported that a booster with Moderna pushes the number of antibodies by factor 37, and a doubled Moferna booster even doubles them to factor 83. Because lets face it, almost everbyody will get infected sooner or later. The vaccinations help to keep the number of severe cases low. Due to the high infection rates, these can nevertehless knock out the health system.

[Rockstar]

Oh boy here we go with the projections again. :roll:

Meanwhile local news reported Florida tourism has met or exceeded expectations for 2021. No polizei beating, kicking, or arresting people or frightened obedient little nancy boys on the phone complaining to authority someone isn’t wearing their chin diaper. Just citizens going about their way. You know, like every politician in every country is doing while promoting the fear porn you’re supposed to believe.

Nice thing about Florida citizens choose, it also has centers open where people can go to receive free monoclonal treatment and therapeutics.

[mapuc]

Copied from a Danish article

Start article:
There is no evidence that Omikron has a milder course of disease than Delta.

That is what SSI director Henrik Ullum says at today's press conference.

- It is primarily young and vaccinated who become infected with Omikron, and when we adjust for it, we can not see that Omikron should give a milder course, he says and emphasizes

We have to assume that Omikron is just as bad.

Henrik Ullum acknowledges that preliminary data from South Africa show that Omikron-infected people have a milder course, but according to him we must "be careful about comparing", because South Africa's population is very young.
End of article

Markus

[Skybird]

Florida? Leader in death numbers in US states from early July to end of October due to top criminal de Santis actively battling measures to curb.


Its due to all that tourism that helps to spread it from Florida to other states and residents all just going about their way.


Not all cases are coutned since Florida belongs to those US states that do not report numbers over the weekend.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=eur&areas=usa&areas=svk&areas=gbr&areas=aut&areas=zaf&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usvt&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=usky&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=usmi&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2021-01-01&values=deaths

Meanwhile, Omikron does not care for all this witty super-clever manouvering by the deniars. It just comes, and it will have its party. Enjoy.

[Skybird]

Copied from a Danish article

Start article:
There is no evidence that Omikron has a milder course of disease than Delta.

That is what SSI director Henrik Ullum says at today's press conference.

- It is primarily young and vaccinated who become infected with Omikron, and when we adjust for it, we can not see that Omikron should give a milder course, he says and emphasizes

We have to assume that Omikron is just as bad.

Henrik Ullum acknowledges that preliminary data from South Africa show that Omikron-infected people have a milder course, but according to him we must "be careful about comparing", because South Africa's population is very young.
End of article

Markus
Indeed, I pointed at the young ange of the SA populatiio n form beginning on.Also that like in india or Mexico they have penty of sunshine (Vitmiane-D, its summer there), but different to india (where it is part of the culture to avoid the hours of massve sunlight) and Mexico (where a huge share of the population has ordinary emplyoment work to do in offices and factory halls, in SA many people indeed live in an don the street for more hours of the day. I recall i said that the average age in Germany is I think some mid-40s, and in SA some low 20s.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/_aspR_XlIN8

[mapuc]

Here's another article on this omicron.

This time it is WHO who comes with a warning

The Omicron variant of the coronavirus is spreading faster than the Delta variant and is causing infections in people already vaccinated or who have recovered from the COVID-19 disease, the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/omicron-spreading-infecting-vaccinated-who-2021-12-20/


Edit
Christmas celebration
I stay home and celebrate Christmas by myself.
My little sister and my niece will take a PCR test today or tomorrow, before visiting and celebrate Christmas with our Mom. If one or both are positive-our Mom has to celebrate Christmas by herself . My Elder sister and her boyfriend will celebrate Christmas together.
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Markus

[Skybird]

I dont know how you tick, Markus, but in case you find isolation depressing - keep the head up!

Myself, I lived quite isolated already before, I am just like that. Corona did not really change much for me and my way of living. My parents and me plan to meet on 24th, for Raclette. They too live quite withdrawn.


Heck, not everybody feels like wanting to rock all the world all day long.

[mapuc]

I dont know how you tick, Markus, but in case you find isolation depressing - keep the head up!

Myself, I lived quite isolated already before, I am just like that. Corona did not really change much for me and my way of living. My parents and me plan to meet on 24th, for Raclette. They too live quite withdrawn.


Heck, not everybody feels like wanting to rock all the world all day long.

You just describe my person.
I don't like when there's to many people around me or to close.

Markus

[August]

Here's another article on this omicron.

This time it is WHO who comes with a warning



https://www.reuters.com/world/omicron-spreading-infecting-vaccinated-who-2021-12-20/



You know Markus I keep seeing similar claims but never see with any numbers to back them up, or the survivors are mixed in with the merely vaccinated clouding how many recorded cases there are of each.

To me that says survivor reinfections are either non-existent or so rare that the numbers are lower than the vaccine side effect rates which I understand is itself underreported by at least a factor of five according to what I read.

[mapuc]

You know Markus I keep seeing similar claims but never see with any numbers to back them up, or the survivors are mixed in with the merely vaccinated clouding how many recorded cases there are of each.

To me that says survivor reinfections are either non-existent or so rare that the numbers are lower than the vaccine side effect rates which I understand is itself underreported by at least a factor of five according to what I read.

Here they tell us how many that have been reinfected. They don't tell how many of these has been vaccinated.
Number of infected 13386 Where 531 is reinfection.

A low number reinfection.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I dont know how you tick, Markus, but in case you find isolation depressing - keep the head up!

Myself, I lived quite isolated already before, I am just like that. Corona did not really change much for me and my way of living. My parents and me plan to meet on 24th, for Raclette. They too live quite withdrawn.


Heck, not everybody feels like wanting to rock all the world all day long.

Same for me, Skybird. The virus has not changed much of anything for me or my wife. I have spent a better part of a year in isolation(not much interaction with others) and had no issue with it. In fact, I got many things accomplished. Learned to keep my self busy. So, asking me to shelter in place is a non-issue. The older I get the less I want to be part of the rat race.

[August]

Here they tell us how many that have been reinfected. They don't tell how many of these has been vaccinated.
Number of infected 13386 Where 531 is reinfection.

A low number reinfection.

Markus

Exactly. How many of the 531 were just vaccinated and how many were getting their second bout of covid we don't know. I'm betting the latter group are few and far between compared to the former group using those faulty vaccines.

[mapuc]

The Danish word Færdigvaccineret = fully vaccinated seems to be gone.

When the vaccine was developed we only needed one shot-oh how wrongfully could the scientist be-now we need a fourth jab.

Markus

[Reece]

If one or both are positive-our Mom has to celebrate Christmas by herself . My Elder sister and her boyfriend will celebrate Christmas together.

Markus
That would be a shame and sad Markus, hopefully the tests are negative, would mean a lot to your mom if you can celebrate Christmas with her. :yep:

All the BEST,
Reece.

[mapuc]

That would be a shame and sad Markus, hopefully the tests are negative, would mean a lot to your mom if you can celebrate Christmas with her. :yep:

All the BEST,
Reece.

No I stay home and celebrate Christmas by myself.(my own wish)

It's my little sister and my niece who are planning on celebrating Christmas with our mom-If they are tested negative.

Markus

[Reece]

Oh I see, well I still hope the tests are negative for them and your Moms sake. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

There will be no new Covid rules in England announced before Christmas.

"People should enjoy their Christmases with their families and their friends - of course, remain cautious," says Health Secretary Sajid Javid.

It does not mean there won't be any new rules for after 25 December - but if there are, they won't be announced today or tomorrow.

Boris Johnson had already said people could go ahead with their Christmas plans.

Scotland has tightened restrictions further - nightclubs will close for three weeks from 27 December.

Two Premier League games have been postponed on 26 December.

NHS England staff off work because of Covid increases by 54% in a week.

The UK reported 106,122 new Covid cases on Wednesday - exceeding 100,000 for the first time.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDhIL9o3vHg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVl5OkHcvf4

[Rockstar]

With all the human fluids being collected, I’m wondering if there will be an explosion of old police case files opened and solved.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/4d0D1knF/122366882-uk-card-with-vax-booster-22dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/8JhX1YRh)

[MaDef]

With all the human fluids being collected, I’m wondering if there will be an explosion of old police case files opened and solved. Considering how the Government is trampling all over the Bill of Rights in dealing with this "pandemic", would that surprise you?

[Rockstar]

Considering how the Government is trampling all over the Bill of Rights in dealing with this "pandemic", would that surprise you?

When was the last time the government actually had any concern for people? Are we too think they suddenly had change of heart?

https://youtu.be/pckSLm6Fgis

http://intelexual.co/home/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/maxresdefault.jpghttps://www.atomicheritage.org/sites/default/files/Operation%20Desrt%20Rock.jpg

Wait what? FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

(Reuters) - Freedom of Information Act requests are rarely speedy, but when a group of scientists asked the federal government to share the data it relied upon in licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, the response went beyond typical bureaucratic foot-dragging.

As in 55 years beyond.

That’s how long the Food & Drug Administration in court papers this week proposes it should be given to review and release the trove of vaccine-related documents responsive to the request. If a federal judge in Texas agrees, plaintiffs Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency can expect to see the full record in 2076.

The 1967 FOIA law requires federal agencies to respond to information requests within 20 business days. However, the time it takes to actually get the documents “will vary depending on the complexity of the request and any backlog of requests already pending at the agency,” according to the government’s central FOIA website.

Justice Department lawyers representing the FDA note in court papers that the plaintiffs are seeking a huge amount of vaccine-related material – about 329,000 pages.

The plaintiffs, a group of more than 30 professors and scientists from universities including Yale, Harvard, UCLA and Brown, filed suit in September in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, seeking expedited access to the records. They say that releasing the information could help reassure vaccine skeptics that the shot is indeed “safe and effective and, thus, increase confidence in the Pfizer vaccine.”

[Skybird]

US army to the rescue? Could likely be the case.


https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/HXH573bRSZQ

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUyrVjQuZq0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oMMnLZYYEQ

[Catfish]

While Covid-19 mainly spreads over mouth and nose, scientists have come to the conclusion that the greatest threat comes from a$$holes.

[em2nought]

While Covid-19 mainly spreads over mouth and nose, scientists have come to the conclusion that the greatest threat comes from a$$holes.




So definitely no visits to the nation's capital then? :D

[Rockstar]

Hey what do ya know? Japan’s miracle of miracles near zero COVID cases. And what a coincidence that it was shortly after ivermectin was prescribed as a preventative therapeutic on a massive scale.

Meanwhile pro vax Nazis thinking themselves as the smartest people on earth, like the blind obedient little test rats they are just keep injecting themselves with booster after booster after booster wondering when it will end. :haha:

https://youtu.be/1S5YG7X52PE

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/Po7Ahxyzdbo

[mapuc]

I must in a way agree with Rockstar on this.

When will those who support the vaccine going to stop and think:
What's going on ? Now we are at booster number 4/5/6...

I can see two reason
1. The vaccine isn't effective enough and/or
2. The virus is ahead with its mutation(Vaccine is 2 steps behind).

Markus

[Catfish]

re RS Jimmy Dore again eh? Japan's "miracle" does not have much to do with Ivermectine, as even Mr Campbell says if you or Jimmy Dore would have just listened to what he said.

However side effects might be attractive to some

https://i.imgur.com/RLhFygg.jpg

[MaDef]

I must in a way agree with Rockstar on this.

When will those who support the vaccine going to stop and think:
What's going on ? Now we are at booster number 4/5/6...

I can see two reason
1. The vaccine isn't effective enough and/or
2. The virus is ahead with its mutation(Vaccine is 2 steps behind).

Markus

The influenza (flu) vaccine has been around since the end of WWII, and it's still only 40-60 % effective. Due to the speed of transmission, and the fact the virus can/has crossed multiple species, odds are vaccines for covid-19 will continue to lag any mutations. Get used to it.

[Rockstar]

re RS Jimmy Dore again eh? Japan's "miracle" does not have much to do with Ivermectine, as even Mr Campbell says if you or Jimmy Dore would have just listened to what he said.


I listened to both and since neither have any conclusive proof. Both the Pothead working out of his garage and Dr. Campbell called the drop in cases and the use of ivermectin a coincidence. But both wondered why it hasn’t picked up our media yet. It sure seems like something worth looking into doesn’t it?

Unlike the those outspoken one trick pony pro vax mandate nazis trolls. Nobody said the use of ivermectin was the sole reason a country of 127,000,000 people only had 200 covid cases.

[August]

Did you tell your girlfriend you'd be posting her picture on the intertubes?



re RS Jimmy Dore again eh? Japan's "miracle" does not have much to do with Ivermectine, as even Mr Campbell says if you or Jimmy Dore would have just listened to what he said.

However side effects might be attractive to some

https://i.imgur.com/RLhFygg.jpg

[Catfish]

I was sure especially you like it.

[Catfish]

re Campbell, or Dore
But there is still no evidence that ivermectine did or does any good, but ok. As a means to what it was created for ivermectine destroys cells alright. It does not discriminate though between covid-infected ones or healthy ones. If it hits the 'right' ones by chance it may help.
Maybe they can use this knowledge to improve this overkill to concentrate on infected cells.
Nobody said the use of ivermectin was the sole reason a country of 127,000,000 people only had 200 covid cases.
But the videos you continue to quote seem to im imply this :hmmm:
I have nothing against ivermectine if i was bound for tracheal respiration, but then i'd probably try everything.

[Skybird]

The influenza (flu) vaccine has been around since the end of WWII, and it's still only 40-60 % effective.
At best! It depends on ther seasonal mix and age group. That it goes down to 25% is not rare.


Legally, it should not even be allowed to be sold, since there is a legal hurdle over here, saying that a vaccine must have 50& minimum effici8ency to be used as that.


But law aside, a profit made is a profit made. With age comes waning immunity gained form vaccines of any kind, unfortunately. Because withb age the immunity protecton shield the body can build gets weaker. Vaccines cannot reverse this trend, only delay it and keep the losses limited.

[Rockstar]

re Campbell, or Dore
But there is still no evidence that ivermectine did or does any good, but ok. As a means to what it was created for ivermectine destroys cells alright. It does not discriminate though between covid-infected ones or healthy ones. If it hits the 'right' ones by chance it may help.
Maybe they can use this knowledge to improve this overkill to concentrate on infected cells.

But the videos you continue to quote seem to im imply this :hmmm:
I have nothing against ivermectine if i was bound for tracheal respiration, but then i'd probably try everything.

The real kicker is there are countries that do not have access to large amounts of vaccines and as a matter of necessity are trying everything. Japan isn’t the only one who has an open mind and looks around the world to see what works. A nice thing too is we know the side effects and dangers of ivermectin to make informed decisions. Whereas I will not be able to know how the miracle mRNA vaccine were approved for another 55 years.

A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness

Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and safety of ivermectin among adult SARS-CoV-2 patients. The trial included 72 hospitalized patients in Dhaka, Bangladesh, who were assigned to one of three groups: oral ivermectin alone (12 mg once daily for 5 days), oral ivermectin in combination with doxycycline (12 mg ivermectin single dose and 200 mg doxycycline on day 1, followed by 100 mg every 12 h for the next 4 days), and a placebo control group. Clinical symptoms of fever, cough, and sore throat were comparable among the three groups. Virological clearance was earlier in the 5-day ivermectin treatment arm when compared to the placebo group (9.7 days vs 12.7 days; p = 0.02), but this was not the case for the ivermectin + doxycycline arm (11.5 days; p = 0.27). There were no severe adverse drug events recorded in the study. A 5-day course of ivermectin was found to be safe and effective in treating adult patients with mild COVID-19. Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/jdpjwbZ2/122499968-uk-card-with-vax-booster-24dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/VdFwp3yP)

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qzKh_S4Qs0

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQWNbJG1q8

[Jeff-Groves]

Well CRAP! I have one of the following.
Common Cold,
Flu,
Covid.

Pretty sure it's not the Flu as the usual symptoms I've had in the past are not there.

So the Start of a Cold or Covid are my 2 suspicions.
:hmmm:

[Skybird]

This story gave me a good laugh. Its about that they found a petrified ostrich that curiously died with his head stuck in the ground.


https://bbcgossip.com/news/anti-vaxxer-kickboxing-champion-who-refused-to-acknowledge-he-had-covid-and-discharged-himself-dies/


And those thundering mighty powerful words he fired!


[No, I absolutely reject to weep crocodile tears about just any fool's death out there. Sometimes they just get what they asked for. Thats what is called "justice".]

[mapuc]

The number infected toke a real jump up today. Yesterday around 10200 was tested positive, today it was 14800 and person in hospital toke also a jump up +57

It's this Omicron who's behind the high number infected.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Are new and tighter rules about to be announced? I suspect they may well be.

The prime minister is due to be briefed on the latest Covid data as he weighs whether to impose additional measures in England before the new year.

After two days without published figures, Boris Johnson will hear the impact on the NHS of record infections.

The PM has so far resisted new restrictions, but the other UK nations imposed tighter rules from Boxing Day.

Scotland and Northern Ireland have tightened up for a second day, with new restrictions for pubs and restaurants.

In both nations hospitality venues have returned to table service only - while social distancing has been reintroduced in several places including gyms, cinemas and theatres in Scotland, and offices in Northern Ireland.

Nightclubs have also been closed in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.

Downing Street said no decisions have been taken yet on whether extra measures would be introduced in England, but it previously said it would not hesitate to act after Christmas if necessary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59798814

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5uzrn4e0Wg

[mapuc]

An FB group calling itself
"Digital Civil Disobedience" encourages people to book time and then stay away.

From the article
"The almost 1,500 members are so-called anti-waxers or at least against the health authorities 'handling of the corona pandemic and the restrictions it entails. Others are completely out of the conspiracy theories' 5G chip in the vaccines.

Thus, the group urges its many members to book a PCR appointment or a vaccine appointment and then refrain from showing up in the hope that the system will collapse or that people will completely give up booking appointments"

This meant that several hundred had not turned up for their time for the PCR test in Frederiksberg this morning. Extra staff was called in and there were no times to get to those who might need it. it was nothing but totally empty at the testcenter

Markus

[Skybird]

^ Thats the work of criminal, sick scum.

They should serve prison time by many months to few years. But not before having gotten a thorough beating.

[Rockstar]

Speaking of sick scum

https://youtu.be/bvevJePdNEk

[mapuc]

^ Thats the work of criminal, sick scum.

They should serve prison time by many months to few years. But not before having gotten a thorough beating.

You're not alone with those thoughts.
Even the Danish Minister of Health Magnus Heunicke was furious when he heard about this Danish fb-group yesterday.

Wonder if similar groups exist in other countries.

Edit
If I was the minister I would impose a fine. If you stay away from an appointment then you have to pay a 200 Dollars(1300 DDK) fine
End edit

Markus

[Skybird]

For a fine, the subject would need to be stupid enough to log in and fix a date with its real ID. At least in Germany, this is not controlled for authenticity during fixing the date online. You could make giving ID card details mandatory (like I read age verification for adult sites do it via the number codes on ID cards...), but it would make the process more complicated and scare more people away. And then there is the infrastructure in Germany. In Germany, you currently mostly do not get a QR code after a jab anymore, no, you must take your vaccination confirmation they print instead, bring it to a pharmacy and ask them to print a QR code.

Daily pandemics and vaccination data still get collected by state offices and authorities by paper and pencil. They get send by FAX.

Germany 2022 A.D.


If somebody wonders why we struggle in Germany - you can stop wondering now.

[mapuc]

I have a respect for others standpoint/belief but it has its limits and this limit is where a person standpoint destroy it for others.

It's ok with me that people refuse to take the vaccine or take test-But then they should act responsibility towards others.

Keep distance, wear mask(well even vaccinated must wear a mask) a.s.o.

This is how I see it.

Markus

[Skybird]

If these dirtbags take it upon them to hinder me, to prevent me from getting a medical treatment or therapy or jab of my choosing, then they claim the right that they are allowed to sentence me to suffer health issues, even to die. They imply the same for those I maybe must infect without even wanting it.

So, obviously this scum then is my worst and most lethal arch enemy.

Therefore I claim the right of self defence against them. Even lethal violence, if need be.

This is even more true when the state fails in defending or rejects to defend the right of physical integrity of its citizens because politicians scare away from playing it as hard as needed to silence this scum. A law system, a state that does not protect its citizens from violence of this and any other kind, has lost any claim it voices for loyalty, and has forfeit its right to claim a monopole of power/violence and to demand its citizens that they shall not care themselves for their security and legitimite interest for health, and their right to live. If I am expected to leave it to the police, then the policie - which I must help to financially fund - must do the job, and it must do it sufficiently well, and the courts must do their part to sanction offenders instead of valuing their precious rights the same, sometimes even more important!, than the rights of their victims.



Self defence is not what these dirt bags can claim when they want to bring the system to collapse, because their logic is the same like that of terrorists here: innocents must be sacrificed and the losses are acceptrable just for achieving the higher goal of serving the terrorist ideological mission.



Unacceptable, unforgivable. Its like destroying medical equipment in a hospital'S ICU. I would ratwe that as potential mass murder, since the risk of the death of patients is obvious, and accepted by the attacker. The intention to kill as well as the accpetance of the others death is what to me makes the difference between slaughter and murder.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well CRAP! I have one of the following.
Common Cold,
Flu,
Covid.

Pretty sure it's not the Flu as the usual symptoms I've had in the past are not there.

So the Start of a Cold or Covid are my 2 suspicions.
:hmmm:

Jeff, it could be anything at this point. The information gets more muddled by the day. Hope you feel better.

[August]

If these dirtbags take it upon them to hinder me, to prevent me from getting a medical treatment or therapy or jab of my choosing, then they claim the right that they are allowed to sentence me to suffer health issues, even to die. They imply the same for those I maybe must infect without even wanting it.

So, obviously this scum then is my worst and most lethal arch enemy.

Therefore I claim the right of self defence against them. Even lethal violence, if need be.

This is even more true when the state fails in defending or rejects to defend the right of physical integrity of its citizens because politicians scare away from playing it as hard as needed to silence this scum. A law system, a state that does not protect its citizens from violence of this and any other kind, has lost any claim it voices for loyalty, and has forfeit its right to claim a monopole of power/violence and to demand its citizens that they shall not care themselves for their security and legitimite interest for health, and their right to live. If I am expected to leave it to the police, then the policie - which I must help to financially fund - must do the job, and it must do it sufficiently well, and the courts must do their part to sanction offenders instead of valuing their precious rights the same, sometimes even more important!, than the rights of their victims.



Self defence is not what these dirt bags can claim when they want to bring the system to collapse, because their logic is the same like that of terrorists here: innocents must be sacrificed and the losses are acceptrable just for achieving the higher goal of serving the terrorist ideological mission.



Unacceptable, unforgivable. Its like destroying medical equipment in a hospital'S ICU. I would ratwe that as potential mass murder, since the risk of the death of patients is obvious, and accepted by the attacker. The intention to kill as well as the accpetance of the others death is what to me makes the difference between slaughter and murder.

Quoting to make sure if you ever get past the tough talk stage there will be copy of your threats that can be used against you. :salute:

[mapuc]

Jeff, it could be anything at this point. The information gets more muddled by the day. Hope you feel better.

The most common symptoms when it comes to Covid-19 is lost or change of taste and/or smell.

It's not everyone who does it though.

I would say a test would be the best.

Markus

[mapuc]

Quoting to make sure if you ever get past the tough talk stage there will be copy of your threats that can be used against you. :salute:

Maybe he used tough words, I agree with him 150%.

I became very sad, when I heard about this FB-group yesterday.

Preventing so many from getting tested.

Markus

[Rockstar]

An FB group calling itself
"Digital Civil Disobedience" encourages people to book time and then stay away.

From the article
"The almost 1,500 members are so-called anti-waxers or at least against the health authorities 'handling of the corona pandemic and the restrictions it entails. Others are completely out of the conspiracy theories' 5G chip in the vaccines.

Thus, the group urges its many members to book a PCR appointment or a vaccine appointment and then refrain from showing up in the hope that the system will collapse or that people will completely give up booking appointments"

This meant that several hundred had not turned up for their time for the PCR test in Frederiksberg this morning. Extra staff was called in and there were no times to get to those who might need it. it was nothing but totally empty at the testcenter

Markus


I betting either the article is a troll or the Facebook group is run by a troll farm. I’m thinking the reality of empty test centers may be people are just tiring of the hype and hysteria and just aren’t showing up like some thought they would. Or maybe the test centers are business as usual. I could be wrong, maybe it’s a grand plan run by the only Proud Boy who forgot to wear his disguise and was sent to prison and is now using his cell as a cover while he posts orders from prison. There clever like that and they are everywhere we just can’t see them because they’re incognito, just ask Schiff. But never fear Blue anon is hot on their trail. They like to go after the low hanging fruit first, secret evidence, then they get the ringleader, any day now.

[mapuc]

I betting either the article is a troll or the Facebook group is run by a troll farm. I’m thinking the reality is that nobody showing up at test centers is because people just aren’t showing up like some thought. They just don’t give a sheet about the hype and hysteria anymore.

It's ok to disbelief these test if you want to..but you have no right to prevent someone else to take the test, like people in this group are doing by make an appointment and then stay away from it and thereby taking up time where someone else could have been tested.

It's also ok refuse taking the vaccine, this shouldn't make you prevent others from getting it.

Edit
Here's a Danish article in Danish. I don't know how to translate the article into English
https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/heunicke-facebook-grupper-proever-at-sabotere-coronaindsats
End edit

Markus

[August]

It's ok to disbelief these test if you want to..but you have no right to prevent someone else to take the test, like people in this group are doing by make an appointment and then stay away from it and thereby taking up time where someone else could have been tested.

It's also ok refuse taking the vaccine, this shouldn't make you prevent others from getting it.

Edit
Here's a Danish article in Danish. I don't know how to translate the article into English
https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/heunicke-facebook-grupper-proever-at-sabotere-coronaindsats
End edit

Markus

What he is asking is if this a real group made of actual people, not whether the vaccines are valid, because it sounds pretty fake to me too.

[mapuc]

What he is asking is if this a real group made of actual people, not whether the vaccines are valid, because it sounds pretty fake to me too.

The name of the person behind this group is Kenneth H. B. he is the founder of this group.

He was in the news yesterday. (I missed it)

Markus

[Rockstar]

I read the article. It doesn’t appear to have much detail about this group. Only that Danish politician is making a proclamation that he knows of a group using Facebook to disrupt life as we know it. Kinda of like when Liz Cheney says she read an incriminating email but never produces a certified copy of it.

But honestly I see this Danish minister behaving no differently than the smack talk from Jarosław Kaczyński. Both jabber on about grand conspiracies for votes.

[Skybird]

Well mapuc, in Germany we have had doctors and/or nurses who vaccinated with salt water, intentionally, so the existence of that group you refer to is absolutely within the reach of realism and credibility. It's murderous brutality what this group or these "nurses"/"doctors" do, they leave people vulnerable, and the german case they leave people in good faith of having gotten a certain form of protection: a "knowledge" their victims base decisions on and form future behaviour on that affects others, and they accept the infection and death of these people who are their victims, which turns these nurses and this FB group into indeed murderous and most underhanded attackers themselves.

If they would prevent type-1-diabetics from getting insuline, or instead give them destilled water, they would be prosecuted for attempted or completed murder, and I vaguely recall that there was such a case, or a comparable case, some years ago in Germany.

What your FB group promotes is no longer just demonstrating and rejecting the vaccination as their personal choice, but they sentence other people to a punishment that these skunks have decided on. That is physical assault, and the death of the victim is accepted, as is accepted that the damage they do reach beyond their directly targetted victim.

Lower it cannot get!

[mapuc]

Well mapuc, in Germany we have had doctors and/or nurses who vaccinated with salt water, intentionally, so the existence of that group you refer to is absolutely within the reach of realism and credibility. It's murderous brutality what this group or these "nurses"/"doctors" do, they leave people vulnerable, and the german case they leave people in good faith of having gotten a certain form of protection: a "knowledge" their victims base decisions on and form future behaviour on that affects others, and they accept the infection and death of these people who are their victims, which turns these nurses and this FB group into indeed murderous and most underhanded attackers themselves.

If they would prevent type-1-diabetics from getting insuline, or instead give them destilled water, they would be prosecuted for attempted or completed murder, and I vaguely recall that there was such a case, or a comparable case, some years ago in Germany.

What your FB group promotes is no longer just demonstrating and rejecting the vaccination as their personal choice, but they sentence other people to a punishment that these skunks have decided on. That is physical assault, and the death of the victim is accepted, as is accepted that the damage they do reach beyond their directly targetted victim.

Lower it cannot get!

Thank you Skybird, I'm not a member or own such a FB-group My brain does function fully.

Lets continue with other Corona related stuff.

Markus

[Skybird]

Thank you Skybird, I'm not a member or own such a FB-group
And I never imagined that, or wanted to imply that! :03:





My brain does function fully.

No doubt.

[mapuc]

It can only happen in a country like China.

Even though China is a dictatorship, there will be people who give a damn about these rules and leave home.

Under the new restrictions announced on Wednesday, only one person per household is allowed to leave home every two days to buy essential goods.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59743487

Markus

[Skybird]

I recall that last year quarantined people got mercilessly locked into their homes and rooms, and the doors locked and sealed. Food had to be gotten via some state service, but it was badly organized and telepohones also broke down sometimes. When the organisation failed, some sick elder people ended up starving. Neighbours were banned from assisting or bringing food with all caution needed - the appartment doors were sealed and really nailed closed, or welded up(welded locked?)

Cruelty and zero empathy as a primary civil duties. Wonderful. Nothing goes against the party and their new god-emperor, nothing good coming form anyone else than the party and their god-emperor. Führer befiehl, wir folgen.

Its a barbary. I once held China in high esteem, due to some historical and civilizational things. But no more. And I wonder if the past really has been any different, better. I mean their present always refers to their past as their fundament, and if the present looks like a barbary then, what does this tell about their past?

However, in the West also not everything that shines is pure gold.

[em2nought]

I recall that last year quarantined people got mercilessly locked into their homes and rooms, and the doors locked and sealed.

Seems like it wasn't "locked", it was "welded" shut into their homes.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1703503427818

[Skybird]

Yes, I was uncertain on the correct vocabulary. People were sealed into their appartments, the door welded shut. If there would have been fire or heart attacks - well, bad luck. Administrative order is administrative order. The state is all. The individual is nothing.

[Skybird]

Hybrid Immunity = Super Immunity.


It occurs in people who have received a vaccination but then went through a Sars-CoV-2 infection or vice versa and is probably the best protection against the new omicron variant.


Two small different studies on this:



https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.08.21267491v1.full


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04005-0

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kvfT7oMOYE

[Skybird]

On FFP2 masks. They work, and well - no matter what.

FOCUS writes:

FFP2 masks are compulsory in many areas of public life. But how well do the masks actually protect? Two studies from Göttingen and Munich come to new insights into the protective effect and reusability of the masks.
Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Dynamics and Self-Organization investigated how quickly an unvaccinated person becomes infected when they come into contact with an infected person. Without a mask, the risk of infection with about five minutes of contact and three meters away was almost 100 percent. A well-fitting FFP2 mask, which also closed at the edges, reduced the risk of infection so much that it was in range of per milles after 20 minutes of contact at a short distance.

According to the researchers, the risk of poorly fitting masks was still only around four percent.

Actually, the masks are only suitable for single use, but masks that are used several times also significantly reduce the risk of infection - provided the masks have been properly dried in the oven at 80 degrees. This is what researchers at the Munich University of Applied Sciences found out. The filter performance decreased significantly in 8 of 15 masks, but was still within the prescribed range. The protective function was retained. With a total of 12 of the 15 models tested, multiple use was not a problem.

https://www.focus.de/wissen/praxistipps/schutz-vor-corona-ffp2-maske-studie-zeigt-wirksamkeit-das-muessen-sie-bei-wiederbenutzung-wissen_id_31852955.html


Myself, I made a small box with a sterilizing UVC lamp at the bottom that covers the needed wave lengths to kill virusses, placed a grid above it, and the inside is covered with softly reflective material. A used mask gets a triple grillin in this, 5 minutes from every side and the mask being not more than 1-3 cm away form the light source.
Why I think this is enough? Because since some years there are hand steriliziers for cups of drinkling water, they look like a fever thermometer with a grab. You put them into the liquid and stirr for 60-90 minutes, that makes the thing lighten up, and it shatters every DNS of every amoebia, germ, bacteria and virus in that time. The method is certfiied and officially recognized, it works, and reliably so. If 90 seconds do this, then I think with 15 minutes I am on the safe side of things with my design, too.

Initially I fell for UVC LEDs, that was a stupid idea, they are fake.
Base your design on something like this:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61E3Q1dzmNL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
Just make sure the thing emitts UVC covering the critical range of around I think 255nm, something in that range.



Have a lid on your box. Be quick when palcing the item at running light, dont stare into the light, dont expose your skin longer than a few seconds, keep the box shut when you stay in the room. Its no source of hard neutron radiation, but it can and will hurt your eyes if you keep looking at it and expose your skin to it endlessly. Let some rational reason be your guideline.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/L8cKC2nP/122519085-uk-card-with-vax-booster-27dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/jD4FCV6q)

[Jeff-Groves]

Just a Chest Cold. Covid test was negative.
:up:

[em2nought]

Just a Chest Cold. Covid test was negative.
:up:


My sister too! :up:

[Reece]

Good on ya guys! :up:

[Skybird]

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/image/sz.1.5496962/1000x420?v=1640774194000

[August]

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/biden-finally-gets-covid-right/

Biden now owns the pandemic
‘There is no federal solution,’ he says, which is not what he claimed in 2020

December 28, 2021 | 10:58 pm

We’ve all learnt to wash our hands more carefully over the last couple of years, but no one has soaped his dirty digits as fastidiously as Joe Biden. His announcement that “there is no federal solution” to Covid-19 puts him up there with history’s greatest handwashers. Like Pontius Pilate, Biden is leaving it to the mob: “this gets solved at the state level.” Unlike the procrastinating procurator who surrendered his responsibilities to the jeering Judeans, Biden’s got it right. But it won’t save him from the jeers — and nor should it.

Biden won the presidency on a promise of the federal solution that he now says doesn’t exist. It didn’t exist in 2020, either. Yet that didn’t stop him from saying that he wouldn’t open the economy until he’d marshaled the powers of the federal government to “shut down” Covid, as if a pandemic can be defeated by taking it out back of the gym and pummeling it like it was Donald Trump or Corn Pop.

If you have nothing better to do — if, perhaps, you’re in bed with a mild but slightly synthetic-feeling cold that won’t put you in the hospital unless you’re an obese octogenarian with comorbidities where other people have organs — you can read all about The Biden Plan, as he called it, on his campaign website. This Plan of Plans has three elements:

“[T]o massively surge a nationwide campaign and guarantee regular, reliable, and free access to testing”
“Double the number of drive-through testing sites and increase the numbers until there are no more lines”
“Build a national contact tracing workforce, starting by hiring at least 100,000 Americans and equipping sorely under-resourced public health departments with the resources they need to spot and stop outbreaks”

Biden has failed to deliver any of this. Omicron has caught him pants-down yet again on testing. There are spectacular lines at drive-in testing sites. And while there is no sign of Biden’s contact-tracing militia, there is plentiful evidence that public health departments remain flatfooted.

It is also clear from all over the world that outbreaks cannot be stopped, unless you lock everyone in their homes. This is impossible in the US, even in the wildest dreams of that demonic elf Dr. Fauci. Perhaps this is why Biden was in such a hurry to declare “Mission accomplished” last July, just as Delta was warming up. That attempt to wriggle out of a problem by declaring it solved went about as well for Biden as it did for George W. Bush.

Biden, and Harris, should she turn up for work, now own the pandemic. When they beat Donald Trump, they won the booby prize: building back better with the Trump-made materials of Operation Warp Speed. Success has many fathers: Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson have done a bang-up job of dictating federal policy and creating what looks like a franchise for a creeping new regime of annual and increasingly mandatory shots. But failure is an orphan — and Biden doesn’t want to be left holding the baby.

More people died in Biden’s first year than in Trump’s last. His signature move, an executive order ordering the compulsory vaccination of federal employees and workers in large corporations, wasn’t worth the paper it was written on. Nothing accrues power to politicians’ hands faster than panic. It is a sign of this administration’s ineptitude that it can’t even sow panic proficiently. The federal government continues to contrive new ways of failing the public. How, two years on, can pharmacies be out of home-testing kits? How can Dr. Jill let us down so badly?

Meanwhile, Biden coughs his mysteriously enduring cough and croaks out his absurdly angry promises to deliver the speedy responses that he promised to deliver two years ago in The Biden Plan — as if anyone would believe him now. His shucking off of responsibility to the states isn’t a bold initiative: it’s a cynical surrender. The states have already taken the lead, and are already imposing a crazy quilt of policies on their publics.

There is a Biden Plan, but it’s the same one as ever: the covering of the Biden posterior at all costs. Biden is right not to shut down the country over a cold — but he’s doing it for the wrong reasons. If there was political advantage in driving Americans onto their knees while fully masked, Biden would push them into the dirt. But there is no juice left in the lemon of Covid, and thus no more lemonade to be made from our misfortunes, so now there is political advantage in washing his hands of it.

When Biden staggers across the lawn and onto the helicopter for Delaware, he is running for cover. He is the great abdicator, declaring his irrelevance while clinging to the shreds of authority: a gray shimmer in front of the green screen. He reduces the status of his office to his petty scale: the president as basement-dweller. When Biden sneezes, who bothers to catch a cold?

By Dominic Green
Dominic Green, PhD, FRHistS is a critic, historian and the editor of The Spectator’s World edition. The author of four books, he writes widely on the arts and current affairs, and contributes regularly to the Wall Street Journal and the New Criterion. His next book, The Religious Revolution, is forthcoming with Farrar, Strauss & Giroux.

[mapuc]

A new record here in Denmark.

23228 Danes has been tested positive. Whereof 1205 is reinfection.
(5 % is reinfection)

Yesterday it was 13000, day before Ca 16000.

Denmark has now the highest incidence per 100000 in the world.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Countries with the vaccine have the highest cases. Lead by the mandate nazis and other idiots who still think you can vaccinate your way out of it.

Poorer countries or those prescribing other treatments not much a problem.

https://youtu.be/_F7yM-_aKL0

[mapuc]

I can't find the number infected who are vaccinated in todays number.

Until now around 22000 vaccinated has been infected with Corona.

78 % of the Danish population has got 2 jabs - Around 25 % got third jab.

Markus

[Skybird]

Although reliable figures on the pandemic status in Germany are not expected until the end of the week and the holiday reporting break will distort the official figures more than they normally are, it seems clear that the frequency of new infections has suddenly accelerated upwards. The new German health minister warns that the actual incidence is significantly underestimated and that he estimates it to be three to four times higher than officially reported.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/YqNx1TX2/122527216-uk-card-with-vax-booster-28dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/F7RcvC5w)

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson says he "cannot stress too much" how important it is to get a booster jab against Covid-19

The UK PM says the vaccination campaign has allowed England to maintain its current level of coronavirus controls.

People should enjoy New Year in a sensible and cautious way, he adds.

There will be no immediate change to Covid measures or advice in Scotland, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says.

But Sturgeon warns Scotland should expect a steep increase in cases and says people should be cautious.

There are no plans to cut the isolation period after a positive Covid test in England, minister Chloe Smith says.

No slots for PCR tests were available in England or Northern Ireland for a few hours today - and no postal tests available.

The US and France have reported their highest daily rises in new Covid cases since the pandemic began.

[Jimbuna]

More than 800,000 booster and third doses of Covid-19 vaccine were recorded across the UK during the past five days, figures show.

A total of 33,091,891 extra doses had been delivered as of 28 December - the first time a UK-wide figure has been available since 23 December, when the number stood at 32,290,487.

It means 801,404 booster and third doses have been recorded from Christmas Eve to 28 December.

About 62% of all adults in the UK have received a booster or third dose.

The figures were published by the UK's four health agencies.

[Jimbuna]

Nearly 283 million cases of coronavirus have been reported worldwide since the start of the pandemic, along with 5.4 million deaths, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.

The US, UK and France currently have the world's highest number of cases over the past 28 days.

More than nine billion vaccine doses have also been administered, the US-based university reports.

France has set a new national and European record for daily Covid cases, reporting 208,000 new cases over 24 hours. Health Minister Olivier Veran has warned hospitals are feeling the strain from the Delta variant, and seasonal flu will complicate things further for health services.

The Chinese city of Xi'an is currently in its seventh day of lockdown, with many of its 13 million residents unable to leave their homes. No cases of Omicron have been announced in the city, but nearly 1,000 Covid cases have been reported between 9 and 28 December.

Officials in New York City have said they still stop quarantining entire classrooms exposed to coronavirus, and will ramp up testing instead so that asymptomatic students testing negative can stay in school.

[mapuc]

A friend found some interesting stuff about European countries and third world countries.

He wrote
Start:

Denmark tops the list of corona infected with an incidence rate of 1612 infected per. 100000 inhabitants. The 5 countries with the highest incidence rates are all European countries

Let's look at some of the world's poorest, most underdeveloped and most populous countries where population density is high. Where personal hygiene and sanitation are extremely deficient. Where health care in general is miserable. Where only an extremely small percentage of the population is vaccinated and where there are no significant restrictions or any complete or partial closure of the country.

Why are it not the countries that are highest on the incidence list?
The incidence rate is usually stated as the number of people infected per 100000 inhabitants. In the overview that is linked to, they have - strangely enough - chosen to state the incidence number (infection number) in the number of infected per. 1000 people, but that does not change the comparability.
The figures below are from a time at the end of December when Denmark had an incidence rate of 121 infected per capita. 1000 people. It is important to note for the sake of comparability.

Algeria had an incidence rate of 5.
Egypt had an incidence rate of 3.7.
Mauritania had an incidence rate of 9.
Mali had an incidence rate of 1.
Afghanistan had an incidence rate of 4.
Sudan had an incidence rate of 1.
Eritrea had an incidence rate of 2.
Uganda had an incidence rate of 3.
Somalia had an incidence rate of 1.5
Burkina Faso had an incidence rate of 1.
Chad had an incidence rate of 0.35.
Yemen had an incidence rate of 0.34.
Tanzania had an incidence rate of 0.44.
Sierra Leone had an incidence rate of 0.83.
Angola had an incidence rate of 2.2.
Congo had an incidence rate of 1.03
Niger had an incidence rate of 0.3

We can see that Denmark has an incidence rate that is approximately 400 times higher than countries such as Niger, Yemen and Chad.
End of his statement.

My comment
The only reason to this huge difference is that our authorities test tens of thousand each day and thereby more infected are found.

We could do as a famous President once said-
Test less and less infected will be found.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HN6cIfp5T4

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM2VgBm9pTI

[Jimbuna]

Health officials say eight million lateral flow kits will be sent to pharmacies before New Year's Eve.

There are shortages of the rapid tests and PCR slots in many parts of the UK

Health secretary Sajid Javid says the government will buy hundreds of millions more LFTs

In a letter to MPs, he says supplies in January and February will be tripled from pre-Omicron levels to 300 million per month.

855 deaths registered in the UK in the week to 17 December involved Covid-19, new data shows.

Covid absences are having a significant impact on the NHS and the economy, says the head of NHS Providers.

Meanwhile, Nightingale surge "hubs" are being prepared at hospitals across England.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/8zrmXdry/122537060-uk-card-with-vax-booster-29dec-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/v4bncVh9)

[Rockstar]

Look how much the mandate Nazis gave away in the name of their god called vaccine. People turned on each, jobs lost, homes lost, family businesses gone forever. And even more disturbing was how quickly they gave away their rights and freedom to power hungry leaders, you’re not getting that back you know, it’s most likely gone forever. Maybe next time they apply it to you.

Now you’re pushing boosters for a variant it doesn’t work on. How many boosters is it gonna take for you to realize you been duped? Why the concerted effort to stop the use of other treatment even going so far to shooting yourselves in your own foot by demonizing the use of anything than your god vaccine.

Btw how many are standing in line for your safe and effective J&J vaccine? I think it would be helpful if they told us their definition of ‘rare’.

First they came for the unvaccinated, and I rejoiced—because I was vaccinated. Then they came for the shop keepers, and I rejoiced — because I was not a shop keeper. Then they came for Santa Claus, and I did not speak out—and I rejoiced because I was not Santa Claus. Then they came for me—….


Free Santa Claus! :D

[Skybird]

https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2020/04/morgue-e1587513412748.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&q=90
New York 2020