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Jeff-Groves
03-23-20, 04:32 PM
Ohio goes into lockdown tonight about midnight.
I made it home from Kentucky today.
Wife has papers (Shades of Nazi Germany!) that state she is a critical worker and can travel. Plus she gets a temp $2.00 Per Hour raise.
Changing out the lights on my home to flood my property and all weapons are locked and loaded!
Also got the upgrade to my body armour to stop AK 47 rounds.
Mr Quatro
03-23-20, 04:34 PM
The spitting on senior citizens (and coughing too) in the UK is very rude, plus very hard to understand why a younger generation would do this.
This particular offensive spitting seems to be to spread the virus on the older generation to die.
I looked it up and it seems that it has been going on for a very long time in the world we live in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitting
Spitting upon another person, especially onto the face, is a global sign of anger, hatred, disrespect or contempt. It can represent a "symbolical regurgitation" or an act of intentional contamination.
So an inch away from complete lockdown, but who exactly is allowed to work and who isn't, massive question, and as yet unanswered.
Good question, I am a key holder in the evenings doing the safe guarding locking up setting alarms but in my case with all functions suspended.
Hearing now even my place of work is to close apart from one aspect that is it. So the announcement from high up tomorrow is just going to back up what Bojo has said.
Fubar2Niner
03-23-20, 04:36 PM
Ohio goes into lockdown tonight about midnight.
I made it home from Kentucky today.
Wife has papers (Shades of Nazi Germany!) that state she is a critical worker and can travel. Plus she gets a temp $2.00 Per Hour raise.
Changing out the lights on my home to flood my property and all weapons are locked and loaded!
Also got the upgrade to my body armour to stop AK 47 rounds.
Don't forget the baseball bats and hatchets Jeff, and aim for the head... Bloody zombies
Jeff-Groves
03-23-20, 04:54 PM
Don't forget the baseball bats and hatchets Jeff, and aim for the head... Bloody zombies
Sniper trained by the U.S. Army.
I always go for the head shot.
I figure the .50 cal is good.
Silencer in place.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=10899
Mr Quatro
03-23-20, 05:20 PM
Sniper trained by the U.S. Army.
I always go for the head shot.
I figure the .50 cal is good.
Silencer in place.
Wow! I knew you liked that sort of thing, but just in case you have to really carry out the dirty deed of protecting your property let me give you a little seed thought.
(if you can afford one that is) Get a tractor with a front loader and add the option of a remote control.
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/330936008611-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
After you have protected your legal rights of eliminating the intruder start your 4X4 tractor front loader via remote control using your remote control jogger move the front loader into place, pick up the now deceased intruder with the front loader and move him or her to the edge of your property. Deposit said intruder on the next parcel and return the front loader to your property using rags and high pressure water to remove any traces of the body that was removed from your property.
Hide the gun and practice your shrugging stance for any inquires about the body found on the parcel next to yours. :yep:
Do you agree with what this article says
"Globalization, as we knew it in the past, is over"
We are going to see massive restructuring of supply chains,” said Capri, who has over two decades of experience in various trade roles including leading the Asia trade and customs practice at accounting giant KPMG.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/coronavirus-shocks-will-lead-to-massive-global-supply-chain-shuffle.html
Markus
Buddahaid
03-23-20, 07:23 PM
I'm going to say maybe but people tend to just go back to what they know and forget the lessons.
Skybird
03-23-20, 09:11 PM
Globalization was under increasing and already heavy flak already before Corona. Asia is not as cheap for production anymore as it once was, namely china. A flow back of Western companies out of Asia and back to the West, was to be perceived, in countable numbers, already since a couple of years, with growing trend. Itsd was not so much the big corporations, but the "Mittelstand" moving back.
As a market, Asia will remain important, however.
I think this trend will grow. Quesiton is about the speed of this process. Economy will see the most profound restrucxtures and repairs since the world wars once the medical side of this drama is kind of under control.
I must say, the one thing I really enjoy is the silence. Its quiter than on Sundays, and already on Sundays this town, whcih is very arch-conservative and arch-Catholic, was quite. But now it is even more. You only hear neighbours doing their garden things when you pen the balcony door, but almost no traffic noise. I really like that.
Skybird
03-23-20, 09:47 PM
https://news3lv.com/news/local/las-vegas-mayor-nevada-governor-spar-over-casino-closures
Listen, stupid woman: this is why we call it a major desaster and not a picnic by the river. Shut up, free your chair and make room for somebody who has at least a minimum of sanity between his ears.
We have done it in Austria, ski ressort Ischgl not closing down with corona cases already present, and then Ischgl became the start and epicentre of the European spreading of Corona. The Swedes tried stupidly until yesterday to repeat the same mistake the Austrian did in Ischgl, they left open a ski resspoort named I think Äla or Älo or some name like that, major touristic hotspot over there, and ignored nation-wide what was going on while Corona patients already were transported out if Älo. Not before yesterday they finally shut down Älo all of a sudden. And now they have hundreds of spreaders and superspreaders bringing Corona to all over their country. They will pay dearly for this foolishness.
Stupid people are everywhere. Crowds and herds and numbers of them. Its nauseatic.There should be a virus killing stupid people. I would object to developing a vaccine. It would be such a better world, and overpopulation probably would not become an issue again for the coming 100 years.
Buddahaid
03-23-20, 10:10 PM
But they could open The Corona Casino. The ultimate game of chance! Do you feel lucky sailor?
Arizona Man Dies After Trying Substance Touted by Trump to Treat COVID-19
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/covid-19-remedy-touted-by-trump-kills-arizona-man-wife-critical-11460391
An Arizona man died after he and his wife ingested a chemical in an attempt to prevent a coronavirus infection, Banner Health said in a press release. His wife is in critical care. Both are in their 60s.
The chemical — chloroquine phosphate — is commonly used to clean fish tanks.
During a press conference on Thursday, President Donald Trump touted chloroquine as showing "very, very encouraging early results" in treating COVID-19 and falsely stated that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was working "to be able to make that drug available almost immediately." The drug has been used to treat malaria.
Skybird
03-24-20, 01:30 AM
I wish Trump would just keep his noise openign shut for just one day.
The German scientific head of Corona operations, Drosten, whom i mentioned several times before, has ripped studies done on Chloroquine apart and voiced serious doubts nnd criticism on the studies' design and methodology. He currently does not see the substance as an option. And finally, the substance is extremely toxic on the cellular-inherent level. You want better than just dubious assumptions and faint hopes to consider taking it. Its complicated a thing.
Catfish
03-24-20, 04:01 AM
Hey at least we closed our borders to China on 23 January. You all are on the same land mass and finally got around to closing your borders just last week. Hence Europe's claim to fame as "The New Epicenter". And I thought our response was slow. But let me say when it comes to government response, viral infection and spread it appears to me your pot is just as black as my kettle. Dont let politics or an obsession with one man blind you to your own predicament.
Yes, the response was (too) slow, and errors have been made in Europe. Not in England of course, which is why those borders remained open to the US :O:. At least at first.
I have no obsession, but when peope call this "one man" competent or serious, and defend brazen lies i tend to disagree :D
But.. you are of course right. Don't get blinded, don't get sucked into this discussion mess is good advice.
This thread is growing so fast i can't keep up, only read portions of it now - all the best for you.
Skybird
03-24-20, 04:33 AM
A delivery of 6 million FFP2 masks for Germany just "dissappeared" on the airport in Kenya.
Meanwhile the Association of SHI Physicians said that another volume of promised 10 million masks that the health minister had gloriously announced some days ago, has not shown up and that the reserves for all hospitals and doctors in Berlin look like this, actual image:
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/leer/25674674/3-format3001.jpg?inIsFirst=false
Tja tja. The world is a big and evil place, dear German administratives. This is what happens if one misses to protect ones own interests and mistakes plan announced with plans successfully executed. How mean!
Eichhörnchen
03-24-20, 04:39 AM
Holes drilled in ambulance tyres in Kent, UK:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/holes-drilled-in-tyres-as-six-ambulances-attacked-224229/
Catfish
03-24-20, 04:55 AM
^ :o What the... and WHY?
I have not heard of exactly such, but other cases of disturbing the health services here.
In the US, nurses have been insulted as "virus spreaders". What is going on in some heads :doh:
Skybird
03-24-20, 05:04 AM
Offending and swearing,k beating, kicking and attacking medics, hosital doctors and firefighters has become common in Germany, catfish, even attacks by friends and family clans on police officers.
There is a persistent progression. It susually harmlessly called "erosion of the law and order state".
Catfish
03-24-20, 05:15 AM
Elite hackers target WHO as coronavirus cyberattacks spike.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-hack-exclusive/exclusive-elite-hackers-target-who-as-coronavirus-cyberattacks-spike-idUSKBN21A3BN
I hope they get the virus and die of it.
Give the NHS a big clap from home this coming Thursday evening at 8pm everyone in the UK
https://www.heart.co.uk/news/coronavirus/nhs-clap-for-our-carers/
Let's let the good doctor speak for himself. Here he is on CBS’s Face the Nation yesterday.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1241780902906265601
Yea .. you know it is kinda funny. The Trump Derangement crowd has a problem. Like most people they want this crisis to pass. And they want it to pass with the least loss of life and the least economic and social disruption. But damn there is no way that they could live with the possibility that President Trump will get even a little credit for seeing America through this. I simply watch in amazement at this conundrum.
Yeah, let's let Dr. Fauci speak for himself; that is, unless he's contradicting Trump; it has been noticed Dr. Fauci has been missing from the last two briefings; the White House and Dr. Fauci have been downplaying the absence, but it does seem a convenient coincidence it occurred just after the public facepalm of Dr. Fauci and the rising number of questions as to why Dr. Fauci, a highly regarded and respected expert in the field of viral infections is seen having to constantly correct the inaccuracies, wild exaggerations, and outright lies spouted by Trump at the briefings. Fauci has been kind of functioning as a sort of lifer Non-Com having to deal with on overeager, inexperienced, woefully under-qualified 90-Day Wonder 2nd Lieutenant who, based on very little practical knowledge and experience butts in and second guesses, wrongly, everything the Sarge is doing to accomplish the mission; the guy may be technically your superior in rank and technically in command, but you've got to do your best to keep the Lt. from tripping over his own shoelaces, jeopardizing his troops, and fouling up the mission, all while trying not to get busted down or brigged for ill-perceived insubordination. In prior crisis or national matters requiring levels of specific expertise, effective past Presidents have very wise sought out the best in the required fields, outfitted them with the necessary materiel and manpower, and stepped back out of the way to let them do what they were best qualified and equipped. Micromanagement is very, very often a very, very poor method of successfully completing a task, and micromanagement by leadership ignorantly incapable of dealing with the objectives is the worst...
Fauci is the preeminent authority in his field; Trump is not: simple as that. The Chump-In-Chief should just go back to binge watching Fox News, calling Hannity so he can hear Sean gush all over him, and playing with his Twitter account. He should just let the grownups do the work that needs to be bone and stop pestering them. Maybe I should put it this way: if you really think letting someone with next to no abilities actually be in charge and make decisions about life and death matters, then I would suggest, the next time you go into the doctor's office for a serious health issue, have the receptionist do the exam, make a diagnosis and prescribe treatment; it makes just as much sense as listening to Trump...
Personally, and its just a personal preference, I tend to trust the words of experts over idiots...
Yea .. you know it is kinda funny. The Trumpette crowd has a problem. Like most people they want this crisis to pass. And they want it to pass with the least loss of life and the least economic and social disruption. But damn there is no way that they could live with the possibility that President Trump will screw the pooch even worse than he has on other matters in the past, possibly taking lives in the process. I simply watch in amazement at this conundrum.
Fixed that for you, no charge...
BTW, this is the full transcript of DR. Fauci's Face The Nation interview, of which your cited passage was just one paragraph, in fact, the last paragraph:
Transcript: Dr. Anthony Fauci discusses coronavirus on "Face the Nation," March 22, 2020 --
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-dr-anthony-fauci-discusses-coronavirus-on-face-the-nation-march-22-2020/
A good op-ed piece on Fauci and Trump:
Thank God the Doctor Is In ---
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/opinion/sunday/fauci-coronavirus-trump.html
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Still, Trump managed to have an hourlong press conference about public health guidance in which he relentlessly ran afoul of public health guidance.
He wants to think of himself as a wartime president, but he can’t rise above his pettiness and defensiveness long enough to stop trashing White House reporters who are simply trying to do their job under perilous circumstances. He also can’t move away from his old standby, xenophobia.
Trump has never understood anything about government, so he doesn’t know what the C.D.C. versus the F.D.A. versus FEMA should do. His improvisational leadership style was vividly — and disturbingly — on display Friday during a call with Chuck Schumer, who urged him to invoke the Defense Production Act to get ventilators and masks to desperate states — despite the president’s cavalier remark a day earlier that the federal government is “not a shipping clerk” for the states. “Then POTUS yelled to someone in his office to do it now,” a Schumer spokesman reported.
Trump is just a petrified salesman who believes in perception over reality. He thinks if he can create the perception that this is going to be a quick fix and there’s a little pill coming, then the stock market will roar back, along with his 2020 momentum.
With F.D.R. and the Great Depression, the only thing to fear was fear itself. With Trump and our new abyss, we have to fear not only fear but also the ignorance and misdirection of the White House and the profiteering of senators. Not to mention the virus.
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...and another interview where Dr. Fauci is able to 'speak for himself':
‘I’m going to keep pushing.’ Anthony Fauci tries to make the White House listen to facts of the pandemic --
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic
Q: At Friday’s press conference, you put your hands over your face when Trump referred to the “deep State Department” (a popular conspiracy theory). It’s even become an internet meme. Have you been criticized for what you did?
A: No comment.
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^ :o What the... and WHY?
I have not heard of exactly such, but other cases of disturbing the health services here.
In the US, nurses have been insulted as "virus spreaders". What is going on in some heads :doh:
Maybe they're getting their cues from that funny orange person who always jabbering gibberish on TV...
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u crank
03-24-20, 06:04 AM
Maybe they're getting their cues from that funny orange person who always jabbering gibberish on TV...
Give it a rest man. Now is not the time for it.
https://youtu.be/hyqSnWnNuEE
Coming from you, that's a rich statement... :haha:
So, you got some guy selling his own brand of "Snake Oil" and you sometimes get results like this:
'Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure': Woman whose husband died after ingesting chloroquine warns the public not to 'believe anything that the president says' --
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral
The wife of an Arizona man who died after ingesting chloroquine phosphate to protect himself from the novel coronavirus spoke out Monday to urge the public not to "take anything" or "believe anything" without talking to a healthcare professional.
"We saw Trump on TV — every channel — and all of his buddies and that this was safe," the woman told NBC News' Vaughn Hillyard of President Donald Trump. "Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure."
Asked what her message to the American public was after what she and her husband went through, the woman told NBC News: "Oh my God, don't take anything. Don't believe anything that the president says and his people ... call your doctor."
"Please educate the people," she added, according to audio of the conversation that Hillyard posted to Twitter. "It feels like, like my heart is broken and it'll never mend. It's just broke, dead. Like my husband. My husband is 68. We're healthy. No underlying — no diabetes or lung issues. Nothing."
This is why its so important to make people aware that Trump and his idiocies can be and are harmful in this time of the Covid-19 crisis. The analogy I made in my earlier post about having the receptionist in your doctor's office give you a diagnosis: even that would be better than putting any faith in Dr. Trump, The Quack...
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Vying for the title of biggest idiot, the next candidate:
Older people would rather die than let Covid-19 harm US economy – Texas official --
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/older-people-would-rather-die-than-let-covid-19-lockdown-harm-us-economy-texas-official-dan-patrick
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https://forums.talkingpointsmemo.com/uploads/default/optimized/4X/4/9/0/4901ba7896eddcd0081672b6ec6e6de8e322b303_2_392x500 .jpeg
Trump’s Boosterism Of Unproven COVID-19 Cures Has Huge Unexpected Consequences --
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/chloroquine-hydrochloroquine-trump-covid-19-lupus-rheumatology
When Donald Trump boosted an old anti-malaria drug on Thursday as a potential therapy for COVID-19, falsely suggesting the FDA had approved it for use, he spurred a global rush for the drug that’s having serious knock-on effects.
At a press briefing Thursday, referring to the drug hydroxychloroquine, Trump falsely said that “the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.”
And on Saturday, the President tweeted that “HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.”
In fact, the drugs’ efficacy against COVID-19 is shaky at best: Chloroquine and hydrochloroquine have long been used against malaria, though the latter is a safer alternative to the former, and has for decades also been used with lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients.
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More poof my neighbor is a total moron, outside talking to two people up close as if this is the norm....What a bloody fool he is another i'm all right jack i'm in my 30's and a heavy smoker! :nope:
Bojo your words were wasted on him...:nope:
u crank
03-24-20, 07:46 AM
Coming from you, that's a rich statement... :haha:
Really. Here you are suggesting that people sabotaged ambulances because President Trump told them to.
Maybe they're getting their cues from that funny orange person who always jabbering gibberish on TV...
I'll let you rethink that.
Jimbuna
03-24-20, 08:07 AM
Globalization was under increasing and already heavy flak already before Corona. Asia is not as cheap for production anymore as it once was, namely china. A flow back of Western companies out of Asia and back to the West, was to be perceived, in countable numbers, already since a couple of years, with growing trend. Itsd was not so much the big corporations, but the "Mittelstand" moving back.
I agree, there will probably be an exodus but the question is, will it be large or small?
Jimbuna
03-24-20, 08:11 AM
Holes drilled in ambulance tyres in Kent, UK:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/holes-drilled-in-tyres-as-six-ambulances-attacked-224229/
When I read about this the first question that sprung to mind was "The vehicles are obviously parked in a secure area because of their value and the fact they carry medical supplies and expensive equipment, so where is the camera surveillance"?
Catfish
03-24-20, 08:15 AM
[...] I'll let you rethink that.
If Trump goes on spreading rubbish to "assure the people" maybe at least someone could check his speeches beforehand.
"Sometimes it is better to be thought of as dumb than open your mouth and remove any doubt."
What Fauci does is attempting damage control.
Really. Here you are suggesting that people sabotaged ambulances because President Trump told them to.
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Really? And just where did I "suggest" that, specifically? Please specify where the 'suggesting' exists at all...
...and, BTW, I do actually notice you are not refuting what I actually posted with specific, cogent proof or argument.. or is the new tack to make spurious statements as a means of deflecting from the fact you have no real counter?...
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Jimbuna
03-24-20, 08:31 AM
The Olympics, due to begin in July, are moved to next year
They certainly dragged their feet on this but thankfully common sense eventually prevailed.
514 more people die in Spain, the worst day yet
Terrible
Donald Trump insists the US will "soon be open for business", despite more states shutting down
Best I don't comment on this.
China announces 78 new cases - 74 of them from abroad
Then the band played 'Believe it if you like'
Confirmed cases approach 400,000, deaths near 17,000, more than 100,000 recoveries
I dread to think what the final figures will look like.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52013888
u crank
03-24-20, 08:40 AM
Really? And just where did I "suggest" that, specifically? Please specify where the 'suggesting' exists at all...
Maybe they're getting their cues from that funny orange person who always jabbering gibberish on TV...
How else would you explain that?
...and, BTW, I do actually notice you are not refuting what I actually posted with specific, cogent proof or argument.. or is the new tack to make spurious statements as a means of deflecting from the fact you have no real counter?...
You mean like editing a post and saying "fixed that for you". Very specific, cogent proof or argument isn't it?
Coming from you, that's a rich statement... :haha:
So, you got some guy selling his own brand of "Snake Oil" and you sometimes get results like this:
'Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure': Woman whose husband died after ingesting chloroquine warns the public not to 'believe anything that the president says' --
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral
This is why its so important to make people aware that Trump and his idiocies can be and are harmful in this time of the Covid-19 crisis. The analogy I made in my earlier post about having the receptionist in your doctor's office give you a diagnosis: even that would be better than putting any faith in Dr. Trump, The Quack...
<O>i read this same story , and my first thought was "I hope these people haven't procreated". Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to ingest a chemical solution designed for fish tanks? And on the same note, how partisan do you have to be to blame Trump for it?
Onkel Neal
03-24-20, 09:32 AM
Your latest COVID-19 update! (Sound on for best effect )
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusMemes/comments/fntfw6/winning_or_losing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
Try to get more information about what I heard in the news a few hours ago.
In the news, they said
A lot of fake assistive devices have been produced and been sold to countries like Denmark.
So the criminals have a great time in this crisis.
Markus
Jimbuna
03-24-20, 10:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4rbCnFdhjM
Skybird
03-24-20, 10:03 AM
R0, and why it matters to bring it down by social distancing.
Halving it from its current value for this virus, would reduce the number of new infections over one month by a factor of roughly 22-23.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6JrkLvsKtw
How else would you explain that?
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Well,... let's see... :hmmm:
Could it be that I was responding to Catfish's response to another post?,,,:
^ :o What the... and WHY?
I have not heard of exactly such, but other cases of disturbing the health services here.
In the US, nurses have been insulted as "virus spreaders". What is going on in some heads :doh:
...and could it be that my response was to the last sentence in Catfish's post?...
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In the US, nurses have been insulted as "virus spreaders". What is going on in some heads :doh:
.and could it be because the only logical conclusion would be a reference to Trump would be addressing not the first sentence in Catfish's response, since it was referring to the UK ambulance incident, and, while the UK has its own problems with nationalist, populist politicians, a reference to Trump makes no sense?...
...and could it be, likewise, the second sentence is Catfish referring to his own locale, where, likewise a reference to Trump makes no sense?...
...and could it be the third, and last, sentence in Catfish's reply makes a specific reference to what he heard about the US, and could it be my response was and is specifically addressing that comment and not the others?...
Simple sense, simple logic. But I do understand that some people have to resort to contorting and convoluting things said in an attempt to make something seem what it is not, particularly when they have no actual cogent argument or response of their own. I wonder where someone would get the idea for such a ruse to deflect from the facts? Maybe:
Maybe they're getting their cues from that funny orange person who always jabbering gibberish on TV...
Part Two:
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You mean like editing a post and saying "fixed that for you". Very specific, cogent proof or argument isn't it?
Apparently a nerve has been struck... :haha:
Its called ironic parody and it has served me well when faced with arguments that scream out for recasting to show their speciousness; its also called a joke...
I note my posts tend to have specific reference provided to support my points with links provided to sources; your responses have, so far, no such support; they are little more than a weak "Sez you". By contrast, I can back up what I'm trying to say and you... well... you just "Sez"...
Nice try at a deflection, but you still haven't made a specific, cogent proof or argument refuting what I've posted; all you've done is try, poorly, to deflect and avoid. You're better than that, I know it...
Meanwhile, Trump's Covid-19 personal "body count" is one, and the tragedy and misery of that poor senior couple is not to be dismissed blithely by Trump , his minions, or the Trumpettes. Loose lips may sink ships, but Trump's loose lips have already cost one life...
,,,and those in this country who do not realize the harm in this time of national crisis and seek to explain away the sheer idiocy of not just Trump, but, also, of the idea of letting speak his foolishness unchallenged are little more than enablers and accessories...
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Skybird
03-24-20, 10:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4rbCnFdhjM
WE made them striong. WE pumped them up.WE called them partners. WE transfered them tehcnology and knowhow. WE raised the economic giant that now tries to crush us.
I am fuming about this since year.
And we allowed some stupid, philantropists and brutal egoist and shortsighted buisnessmen with dollar- and euro-signs in their eyes to set our trian onto these raisl that led to where we are with China. We have build our own fall. We allowed to become more and more vulnerable. Clever we are not, obviously.
China is jo friend, its no partner, but is a ver yudnerhanded riuval, and brutally pushing economic opponent, and cultural anti-thesis to the cultural definition of our own identity, and a future military enemy. And it is a man-eater. Not just this virus, but its own policy has feasted on millions of its own people, and others that it claims its possession.
Who wants such a country as "partner"...? What stupidity has driven our leaders and businesspeople in the past 40 years?
ikalugin
03-24-20, 10:24 AM
https://youtu.be/z3F91JKllwc
Putin visiting the Corona virus patients in Moscow hospital for a photo op.
Seems that Moscow specifically is quite well prepared, we are running some social support programs and the like in addition to deploying medical specific stuff.
I am also going to collect my batch of personal protection means on Friday, if you are interested I can try to look into ordering some more, you can contact me if that is the case.
Mr Quatro
03-24-20, 10:35 AM
Doesn't anyone else find this math problematic? What will the numbers be by the end of March another 200,000 perhaps? :o
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/coronavirus-live-updates-pandemic-is-accelerating-who-warns/ar-BB11z4C6
"It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach the first 100,000 cases. Eleven days for the second 100,000 and just four days for the third 100,000,"
This is my third week inside with only one trip to the store (thank you Fedex) :yep:
Catfish
03-24-20, 10:37 AM
[...] Who wants such a country as "partner"...? What stupidity has driven our leaders and businesspeople in the past 40 years?
Money, and unregulated locust capitalism.
You can buy a good water heater for a hundred and fifty Euros here. A similar item can be bought for 15 Euro in China, including shipping.
Ok, the plastic will probaby smell from plasticiser, and it may be assembled by children or some workers earning 30 cent a minute (like with Apple's iphone made there), and it may only hold for five years but again who cares at those prices. An iPhone costs around 70 dollars producing, from resources to assembling it in China, have you noticed you pay over a thousand bucks here?
Good video posted by Jim.
i read this same story , and my first thought was "I hope these people haven't procreated". Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to ingest a chemical solution designed for fish tanks? And on the same note, how partisan do you have to be to blame Trump for it?
Gee, I don't know: How stupid do you have to be to believe a lying sack like Trump about anything, for example, like how he is in any way the best hope for this nation? And my stance is not partisan: I'm an Independent and have always been and I don't really care about either party, but I do care about having competent leadership when it comes to emergencies like Covid-19. The real question si not how stupid are the people who are victimized by people like Trump, but how stupid is it to even let him speak on things of which he has no knowledge and to openly lie about real-life, serious, potentially life-threatening issues. This is a time for the people of the US to be getting accurate, factual, expert information, not the rantings of an idiot who is more concerned about looking bad in the polls than the actual welfare of the people he is supposed to lead and for whom he is expected to lead by example. This whole big, recent push by Trump to very quickly remove the lockdowns: do you think it is really because he is making a fully informed decision in the best interest of the people of the US? Or is it more like likely, given Trump's track record of business decisions and 'past is prologue', that his urgent desire to lift the lockdowns is because his own property holdings, including Mar-A-Lago (where millions and millions of taxpayer dollars have poured in during Trump's presidency) are themselves under lockdown and losing Trump a huge wad of cash? I have little doubt which is the correct answer...
<O>
Doesn't anyone else find this math problematic? What will the numbers be by the end of March another 200,000 perhaps? :o
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/coronavirus-live-updates-pandemic-is-accelerating-who-warns/ar-BB11z4C6
This is my third week inside with only one trip to the store (thank you Fedex) :yep:
The whole numbers thing is why I posted previously about there being something off about the stats coming out from all the various areas when they are viewed as a whole. I can't quite put my finger on it, but the early number in the pandemic seem off, somehow. I used to get this feeling when I was doing audits; I would often be given accounts others couldn't resolve and I would give them an initial exam and I would just feel there was something amiss other than poor recording/reporting; most of the time I was right...
<O>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuNbGC2D_8
u crank
03-24-20, 10:58 AM
Well,... let's see... :hmmm:
Could it be that I was responding to Catfish's response to another post?,,,:
...and could it be that my response was to the last sentence in Catfish's post?...
Hmmm....
Holes drilled in ambulance tyres in Kent, UK:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/holes-drilled-in-tyres-as-six-ambulances-attacked-224229/
^ :o What the... and WHY?
I have not heard of exactly such, but other cases of disturbing the health services here.
In the US, nurses have been insulted as "virus spreaders". What is going on in some heads :doh:
Catfish's post is a direct response to Eichhörnchen's post about the ambulances. Is Catfish suggesting that either incidence has anything to do with President Trump. No, but you are.
Simple sense, simple logic.
Your logic obviously. Here's more of it. I post this ....
Yea .. you know it is kinda funny. The Trump Derangement crowd has a problem. Like most people they want this crisis to pass. And they want it to pass with the least loss of life and the least economic and social disruption. But damn there is no way that they could live with the possibility that President Trump will get even a little credit for seeing America through this. I simply watch in amazement at this conundrum.
...and your logical fact based answer is this? Ironic parody?
Yea .. you know it is kinda funny. The Trumpette crowd has a problem. Like most people they want this crisis to pass. And they want it to pass with the least loss of life and the least economic and social disruption. But damn there is no way that they could live with the possibility that President Trump will screw the pooch even worse than he has on other matters in the past, possibly taking lives in the process. I simply watch in amazement at this conundrum.
You can call it ironic parody and a joke but you did not answer the question I posed which was how the TDS crowd could "live with the possibility that President Trump will get even a little credit for seeing America through this". And you still haven't. It was a serious question which you chose to make light of. Do you have an answer?
Mr Quatro
03-24-20, 11:02 AM
Just a suggestion :yep: You should move your rants over to the US Politics Thread: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=228628
This whole big, recent push by Trump to very quickly remove the lockdowns: do you think it is really because he is making a fully informed decision in the best interest of the people of the US? Or is it more like likely, given Trump's track record of business decisions and 'past is prologue', that his urgent desire to lift the lockdowns is because his own property holdings, including Mar-A-Lago (where millions and millions of taxpayer dollars have poured in during Trump's presidency) are themselves under lockdown and losing Trump a huge wad of cash?
I have little doubt which is the correct answer...
u crank
03-24-20, 11:24 AM
Just a suggestion :yep: You should move your rants over to the US Politics Thread: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=228628
And you Sir are correct. I will do it.:salute:
And have done so.
Eichhörnchen
03-24-20, 01:33 PM
Scum smash up NHS workers' cars while they are on shift saving lives
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/nhs-workers-return-find-cars-vandalised-end-shifts-12446398/
This situation is getting out of hand.
Emailing others about online shopping none of them could get pass the first page with their preference supermarket, I got through to the second page and that was it.
I have already posted here earlier today about my neighbour and I have witness people walking by without a care in the world in groups.
And on top of that the scum of the earth are having a great time.
Come on Boris go all the way now.
Jimbuna
03-24-20, 02:03 PM
Scum smash up NHS workers' cars while they are on shift saving lives
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/nhs-workers-return-find-cars-vandalised-end-shifts-12446398/
So much pondlife around these days :nope:
Fubar2Niner
03-24-20, 02:08 PM
Scum smash up NHS workers' cars while they are on shift saving lives
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/nhs-workers-return-find-cars-vandalised-end-shifts-12446398/
This situation is getting out of hand.
Emailing others about online shopping none of them could get pass the first page with their preference supermarket, I got through to the second page and that was it.
I have already posted here earlier today about my neighbour and I have witness people walking by without a care in the world in groups.
And on top of that the scum of the earth are having a great time.
Come on Boris go all the way now.
Eich,
These morons are below scum, if found they should be executed, or used for medical experiments.
STEED,
Totally agree, most things are a grey area, most small business bosses are convinced they are " essential ".
Transport services are cut, and there is a massive surge in passengers per train/bus etc. (Well that's a bloody surprise !). People here need things in black and white, not dancing around issues. Tell people (bosses) who is allowed to work, sort out the ridiculous situation regarding self employed for everyones sake. Oh and while I'm at it, if you want to exercise buy a bloody skipping rope !!!!
I still say that because of the current situation in the United Kingdom, it's a matter of aggravating circumstances when crimes are committed.
And our government * should have created laws or have added paragraf to some of our laws-to be used in crisis like this
* meaning your British government and other European government.
Markus
Rockstar
03-24-20, 02:55 PM
unregulated locust capitalism.
:har:good one, i cant wait to use that on somebody.
Jimbuna
03-24-20, 03:18 PM
Five hundred British Transport Police officers are being deployed to rail stations to "remind" people that only essential journeys should be made.
Sean O'Callaghan, assistant chief constable at BTP, said: "We are supporting rail operators and those key workers making their journeys home tonight by deploying 500 officers across the rail network nationally.
"They will be patrolling stations, supporting railway staff and reminding the public of the urgent need to follow the government advice - only those making essential journeys for work should be using the Tube and rail network."
Eich,
These morons are below scum, if found they should be executed, or used for medical experiments.
STEED,
Totally agree, most things are a grey area, most small business bosses are convinced they are " essential ".
Transport services are cut, and there is a massive surge in passengers per train/bus etc. (Well that's a bloody surprise !). People here need things in black and white, not dancing around issues. Tell people (bosses) who is allowed to work, sort out the ridiculous situation regarding self employed for everyones sake. Oh and while I'm at it, if you want to exercise buy a bloody skipping rope !!!!
Eich will bite your nuts...:03:
Rockstar
03-24-20, 06:30 PM
Shortages, Immunity, & Can a TB Vaccine (BCG) Help Prevent COVID-19?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqKwAIIy-Mo
Skybird
03-24-20, 06:52 PM
New York has 10 thousand new infections in one day.
WElcome to the Booom!-stage of things.
^ The news here are saying USA will be the next epicenter for Corona and the numbers of infected and people who will die from this, will be higher than it was in China.
Markus
More tests equals more results.
Buddahaid
03-24-20, 07:33 PM
My hospitals initiated entrance restrictions today. Everyone gets screened for a fever.
They are also gearing up to use anesthesia machines for stand in ventilators.
Jeff-Groves
03-24-20, 07:41 PM
^ The news here are saying USA will be the next epicenter for Corona and the numbers of infected and people who will die from this, will be higher than it was in China.
Markus
Any bets that the stupids will top the list of deaths?
Buddahaid
03-24-20, 07:53 PM
What does that mean?
Skybird
03-24-20, 08:02 PM
Kaisers hospitals threatend to fire nurses on the spot if they dare to wear face masks during their work on Covid19 patients. Texas governor babbles on throwing grannies before the bus in order to save the economy, claiming they are delighted to sacrifice themselves for somebody else's dollars. A carricature of a president to flush hundreds of thousands of citizens down the toilet in order to leave pandemic countermeasures early not to ruin his reelection campaign completely.
A lot of stuff happning in the Us that just leaves you wondering whether the US really still is a part of the claimed civilised world.
Disgusting.
On a positive side, the unbelievable low numbers in Japan seem to hold, and for longer already than just one or two incubation cycles of the virus. I red a nice article today somewhere, describing the traditional strict hygienics culture and discipline of the Japanese, all generations, and wearing face masks. Everybody. The CDC's claim that masks are useless and infections will not be stopped by these, is total rubbish and just adds to the fact that I do not give a damn anymore on what the CDC says, they have messed up every go of theirs in this mess that I simply do not grant them any authority any longer. Also, an Italian town reports that by rigorous testing, isolating of all asymptomcic cases and strict hygienics rules (masks), they have brought the pandemic under control, now and have no more new cases since severla days already.
Thats how it is done. Testing, tracking down, isolating every case, strict hygienics rules enforced onto everybody: and keeping that in place as long as it needs, not as short as economists likes. Virusses do not debate and they are not available for negotiations.
So, we now know how to defeat the spreading of the pandemic. We now need to win the war against the new enemy out there, stupid politicians and economists. Ask them how many thousands or tens aor hundreds of thosuands of peope they are willing to kill to save their precious number games and reelections.
Buddahaid
03-24-20, 08:36 PM
Perhaps a more lucid version of the last post.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52012049
Mr Quatro
03-24-20, 08:55 PM
Viruses do not debate and they are not available for negotiations.
Viruses are no respecter of persons :yep:
They don't care if you are rich or poor or a doctor or a nurse if you break the rules, being set into place, Covid-19 will take the shortest path to the next person in line :o
Buddahaid
03-24-20, 08:55 PM
A bit more light on the Kaiser Permanente mask problem.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/kaiser-permanente-nurses-coronavirus/
Skybird
03-24-20, 08:59 PM
Corona virusses have been found active on one of those cruise ships SEVENTEEN days later. That wrecks the hope that an incubation time of 14 days is correctly estimated.
Since longer time there are even some voices claimign the incubation time even could be 27 days.
Nice scenario. You lock down, open again after two weeks, and 1-2 weeks later the whole show starts to run again from start.
Mr Quatro
03-24-20, 09:45 PM
Corona virusses have been found active on one of those cruise ships SEVENTEEN days later. That wrecks the hope that an incubation time of 14 days is correctly estimated.
Since longer time there are even some voices claimign the incubation time even could be 27 days.
Nice scenario. You lock down, open again after two weeks, and 1-2 weeks later the whole show starts to run again from start.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.eXKcZzwMiueh2Q5Tss6VZAHaHX?w=195&h=184&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7
Onkel Neal
03-24-20, 10:36 PM
Perhaps a more lucid version of the last post.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52012049
That was a good article, thanks.
Have to support Skybird, though, his comments were plenty lucid.
Watch out folks in the UK those vile twisted scumbags are at it again...Scam texts saying you have been fined £30 for being outside. Some woman rung in on LBC radio crying she got this and paid it! Spread the word this is a scam and don't fall for it.
BREAKING NEWS
Coronavirus: Prince Charles tests positive for COVID-19
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-prince-charles-tests-positive-for-covid-19-11963363
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 06:00 AM
Apparently the 'horse' is okay though.
Apparently the 'horse' is okay though.
:haha: morning jim :subsim::haha:
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 06:07 AM
Just been catching up on the Piers Morgan Twitter account and it is an absolute disgrace seeing how many major employers are refusing to shut down thereby forcing their staff to work. Sky and Virgin Media are but two on a very long list.
Mr Quatro
03-25-20, 06:08 AM
BREAKING NEWS
Coronavirus: Prince Charles tests positive for COVID-19
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-prince-charles-tests-positive-for-covid-19-11963363
Possible for Prince William to be the next King of England, uh?
Just been catching up on the Piers Morgan Twitter account and it is an absolute disgrace seeing how many major employers are refusing to shut down thereby forcing their staff to work. Sky and Virgin Media are but two on a very long list.
Boris will have to get tougher, don't these fools get it that human life is far more important than money!
Possible for Prince William to be the next King of England, uh?
:hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 06:23 AM
Possible for Prince William to be the next King of England, uh?
That's a question a great many people here in the UK have been pondering over for the past couple of years as far as I'm aware.
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 06:30 AM
Hundreds of residents of the budget hotel chain Travelodge, including homeless families housed there by local councils, have been turned out on to the street after it closed its premises.
The chain issued letters to all residents on Tuesday asking them to leave as soon as possible as they were “temporarily closing the hotels until further notice” in the light of the government’s extended coronavirus physical distancing guidelines issued on Monday.
This appeared to be in defiance of government guidance issued the same day which said that hotels looking after homeless families who had been placed in temporary accommodation at in hotels should not close.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/homeless-travelodge-residents-turned-out-on-to-street/ar-BB11G9w0?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout
Words fail me :nope:
Mr Quatro
03-25-20, 06:37 AM
United States cases
Updated Mar 25 at 4:27 AM local
Confirmed
55,330
+11,456
Almost half of those confirmed cases are in New York State alone (26,348) :o
Eichhörnchen
03-25-20, 06:58 AM
Locals are now advised when visiting their elderly relatives.... no tongues
Skybird
03-25-20, 06:58 AM
Just been catching up on the Piers Morgan Twitter account and it is an absolute disgrace seeing how many major employers are refusing to shut down thereby forcing their staff to work. Sky and Virgin Media are but two on a very long list.
Why arent they being forced? In Germany, police patrols the streets and not only controls pedestrians, but also checks shops, bars, cafes. Pick up and delivers food services are allowed. All others get fined 5.000 onward, up to 15.000. Italy throws quarantine breakers into jail for five years.
ikalugin
03-25-20, 07:03 AM
https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Flenta.ru%2Fnews%2F2020%2F03%2F25%2 Flibraries%2F
More restrictions in Moscow as the numbers enter the rapid growth phase.
https://i.imgur.com/q4oJRKK.png
Commulative tests conducted as reported by the Russian agency - Rospotrebnadzor.
Mr Quatro
03-25-20, 07:04 AM
The President wants to open the country back up by Easter, but this man caught Covid-19 right before Disney World closed down, which doesn't sound like a good idea to open the amusement parks back up.
Man dies from virus less than 2 weeks after cough began at Disney World
https://www.ajc.com/news/man-dies-from-virus-less-than-weeks-after-cough-began-disney-world/ohZVKVqKs3zUr9VHrTywRL/
A California man who visited Disney World and later tested positive for coronavirus died Thursday after being hospitalized nearly a week on a ventilator, according to The Los Angeles Times, citing public health officials.
His illness developed from a simple cough to full-blown pneumonia in just a matter of days.
Eichhörnchen
03-25-20, 07:08 AM
https://i.imgur.com/I3dHU1f.jpg One's got it
Mr Quatro
03-25-20, 07:20 AM
China Mainland 81,218
Italy 69,176
United States 55,330
Spain 47,610
Germany 34,009
Iran 27,017
New York 26,348
New York confirmed cases would rank #7 :o
Skybird
03-25-20, 07:53 AM
China Mainland 81,218
Italy 69,176
United States 55,330
Spain 47,610
Germany 34,009
Iran 27,017
New York 26,348
New York confirmed cases would rank #7 :o
Those numbers are totally off anyway. China and Iran actively tune their numbers. The US laggs behind by several weeks, Germany by 2-3 days, Italy and Spain probably are close in time to real things, but still necessarily lack precision. But Iranian, Chinese and American numbers currently mean nothing. Means: they are much, much worse.
And then there is the rate of unknown and never-will-be-known-cases.
Here in France still more and more cases. But quite far from our Italian neighbors.
Already 3 doctors died infected by patient...
They announced the total lock out will last at least to April 20, depending on evolving situation.
Stay safe :Kaleun_Salute:
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 09:08 AM
Motorists worried about getting an MOT because of the coronavirus crisis, have been handed a six-month reprieve.
The government has granted car owners a six-month exemption from MOT testing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52036333
I welcome this....my car was due its first MOT next month.
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 09:10 AM
A quarter of the world's population is now living under some form of lockdown.
Prince Charles - heir to the British throne - tests positive for virus with "mild symptoms", palace says.
India's 1.3 billion people went into lockdown at midnight, with a "total ban" on leaving homes.
Russia's Putin postpones vote on constitutional change allowing him to stay in power, due to virus.
About 250,000 people volunteer in the UK to help the NHS cope with vulnerable people.
The death toll in Spain has overtaken China, rising by 738 to 3,434
US lawmakers agree a near-$2 trillion stimulus package, details yet to be released.
Global cases exceed 400,000 with deaths approaching 20,000 and more than 100,000 recovered.
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 09:20 AM
Some useful tips for those of us who are working at home and need the internet during the current pandemic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52027348
Rockstar
03-25-20, 11:26 AM
I would like to add to the above public service announcement of useful tips for the potential treatment of COVID-19.
Chloroquine developed by pharmaceutical companies and prescribed by doctors: GOOD
Chloroquine you get at the pet store for fish: BAD
Don't be an idiot READ THE LABEL
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 11:30 AM
Coronavirus: Coventry barbecue crowd dispersed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-52025918?at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&at_custom4=DC89AFD0-6E0F-11EA-91FF-A80D933C408C&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom2=facebook_page&fbclid=IwAR37vQJWCYKNw2pGZWdZFqKHDgVqdyLSR1CukNkgn oHrhUm2ERcXz3shrXE
Onkel Neal
03-25-20, 12:32 PM
Russia's Putin postpones vote on constitutional change allowing him to stay in power, due to virus.
Newspaper: Bird lands on park bench. Putin gives himself another term.
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 01:19 PM
New 15-minute home test kits for coronavirus will be made available to the British public within days, said a Public Health England (PHE) director.
Thousands of tests will be sold in chemists such as Boots or delivered by Amazon to people with symptoms who are self-isolating as soon as next week.
Professor Sharon Peacock, director of the national infection service at PHE, told MPs on the science and technology committee once the tests are cleared, they will be “distributed to the community”.
Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said the government bought millions of the tests on Tuesday and is ordering millions more.
The antibody test involves pricking a finger and analysing a drop of blood in a device that looks like a pregnancy test. It will only tell the person if they have had Covid-19, not if they currently have it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-test-uk-kit-home-nhs-cases-symptoms-public-health-england-a9424741.html
Seems like the Danish government have read some of my post here on our forums and my comments among my friends on FB.
From a Danish news paper
(translated via google translate)
Start of translated Danish article
The government wants an urgent bill to tighten the penalties for crimes based on the corona epidemic.
This was announced by Justice Minister Nick Hekkerup during Wednesday's press briefing.
"We have recently seen emerging evidence that criminals are taking advantage of the vulnerable situation we are in. We have seen trick thefts and we have seen thefts from hospitals where handguns and other protective equipment have been stolen. Finally, we have received a number of allegations of fraud with a coronavirus background, ”says Justice Minister Nick Hekkerup.
The Government will therefore strengthen penalties for those who for example is stealing protective equipment or hand alcohol from hospitals or individuals who exploit corona fear like trick thefts. The theft of protective equipment has previously triggered a fine. It will now trigger a prison sentence.
In addition, with the emergency law, the government will raise the penalty by up to four times if a company, for example. cheats with the aid packages prepared by the Parliament, the Minister of Justice informed
"Punishment is also about to mark the societal rejection of actions. When we find that someone is abusing the situation to enrich themselves, we would like to highlight that we as a society are distancing ourselves from it, "Nick Hekkerup says to the question of whether stricter penalties will apply to criminals who exploit the corona- epidemic.
End of translated Danish article
Markus
u crank
03-25-20, 01:28 PM
I would like to add to the above public service announcement of useful tips for the potential treatment of COVID-19.
Chloroquine developed by pharmaceutical companies and prescribed by doctors: GOOD
Chloroquine you get at the pet store for fish: BAD
Don't be an idiot READ THE LABEL
Yea. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be cruel or make light of a sad situation, but I have a feeling that the poor couple probably lived as long as they did by sheer good fortune.
Fubar2Niner
03-25-20, 02:10 PM
New 15-minute home test kits for coronavirus will be made available to the British public within days, said a Public Health England (PHE) director.
Thousands of tests will be sold in chemists such as Boots or delivered by Amazon to people with symptoms who are self-isolating as soon as next week.
Professor Sharon Peacock, director of the national infection service at PHE, told MPs on the science and technology committee once the tests are cleared, they will be “distributed to the community”.
Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said the government bought millions of the tests on Tuesday and is ordering millions more.
The antibody test involves pricking a finger and analysing a drop of blood in a device that looks like a pregnancy test. It will only tell the person if they have had Covid-19, not if they currently have it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-test-uk-kit-home-nhs-cases-symptoms-public-health-england-a9424741.html
Sweet geezus, another stampede is predicted. We can't get paracetamol, how is this gonna work ????
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 02:29 PM
The sting in the tail...
It will only tell the person if they have had Covid-19, not if they currently have it
Fubar2Niner
03-25-20, 02:47 PM
The sting in the tail...
Well that's helpful, Oooh I think I had death......... no your ok kid!
^That will not mean a thing to these mindless fools guys, they will grab anything.
Rockstar
03-25-20, 03:47 PM
The sting in the tail...
Considering the symptoms I had the other day, the test for antibodies is the one I'd like to take. If it showed positive I'm immune and I could get back to work. If not, I guess I'll just have to go for a walk, kayak, or play video games for a little while longer. To be honest I've faced worse I'm tempted to seek it out and get it over with so I can get on with life.
Catfish
03-25-20, 03:53 PM
How secure is it that someone who overcame the infection is not contagious anymore? :hmmm:
I mean being immune still means carrying the virus, if subdued by the own immunosystem.
Rockstar
03-25-20, 04:12 PM
From what I've heard under normal circumstance if you were once infected and are now 'cured'. You are not only immune but also no longer a walking contagion. However the question remains just how long your immunity would last.
Skybird
03-25-20, 04:14 PM
There is an issue in antibody tests. The body needs around 10 days, roughly to form antibodies to Covid 19. If you do the test in this time, the result will be negative, while in fact you are positive. You then live in the belief of being healthy, and behave accordingly - while in fact you are infectous.
Think.
Fubar2Niner
03-25-20, 04:20 PM
There is an issue in antibody tests. The body needs around 10 days, roughly to form antibodies to Covid 19. If you do the test in this time, the result will be negative, while in fact you are positive. You then live in the belief of being healthy, and behave accordingly - while in fact you are infectous.
Think.
Interesting Sky.
Here we are hearing if you get the symptoms go ISO for 7 to 14 days depending. So based on what your saying we need at least 3 weeks to be sure, right?
Rockstar
03-25-20, 04:27 PM
There is an issue in antibody tests. The body needs around 10 days, roughly to form antibodies to Covid 19. If you do the test in this time, the result will be negative, while in fact you are positive. You then live in the belief of being healthy, and behave accordingly - while in fact you are infectous.
Think.
I was speaking for myself, not too long ago I went to the grocer. About 4-5 days later I got what think was a fever, then slight nasal congestion which moved to my upper chest area. When it moved down to the chest thats what began to freak me out. Breathing wasn't labored, dry cough and no trouble filling my lungs. But the upper chest and bronchi felt heavy, something wasn't right. Had that sensation for about two and half days and it just went away. That's my reason for wanting to take an anti-body test. The whole ordeal from grocer to end of weirdness was about 11 days
Just an FYI all my life people I know have marveled at my health. When others are sick out with the flu or cold I just breeze through with mild symptoms, if any, like nothing happened. < knocks on wood > Must be those Scandinavian genes :D
Fubar2Niner
03-25-20, 04:56 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-amazon-jeff-bezos-relief-fund-covid-19-billionaire-net-worth-a9422236.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Onkel Neal
03-25-20, 05:18 PM
Alright I'm out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1fha98fip0
Skybird
03-25-20, 05:23 PM
Interesting Sky.
Here we are hearing if you get the symptoms go ISO for 7 to 14 days depending. So based on what your saying we need at least 3 weeks to be sure, right?
Yes. Three weeks is the averagee number given. 2 weeks of being really ill at home, and one week at least to get back into shape and regenerate. At least one week. However, you may already be no longer infectous after the first week after symptoms broke out. But that again is an average value only, and you should not bet your spouse's life on it.
You become infectous 12-18 hours after exposition to a sufficient load of virus (not every virus contact causes an infection, also, the heavier the load in case of infection, the more serious your symptoms tend to be, thats why if you get infected you want to get infected by as low a load as possible - so wear that damn face mask, even if it is just textile, or just FFP1 or even less!!). Every little bit of prpotecitonm against big drops, fine aerosol, smearing, reduces the virus load reachign your nose, eyes.
Incubation time usually is between 2 and 14 days. On that cruise liner, however, the CDC found active virus on surfaces even after 17 days. Some say the incubation time can even extend to 27 days - four weeks, but we are not certain on that, it may be possiblel,. but seems to be rare. Incubation time means the time between infection and actually building symptoms and so making you aware that you are sick.
Antibodies get build in the second week after infection took place, most often it seems to be aorund day 7-10, I read some days ago.
The virus you spread by your own infected cell machinery should be no longer infectous after around 1 week, they say. That means you produce these virusses in your cells, but even if you spread these, they cannot infect others anymore. I would not trust that too much and read it 14 days minimum. Also, you still can infect others by smear ifnection with virusses you pick up from external surfaces: these virusses still are active, of course.
An often quoted average for how long people not going to hospital, but who are sick at home and indeed feel like that, is around 2 weeks, and then another week where they still feel like a dog that was driven over, very weak and needing to regenerate.
Another problem ist asymptomatic cases, amongst them people who are ill, can heavily infect others who then become ill - but the spreader not forming any symptoms himself. These are dangerous people, not because they necessarily are irresponsible, but because they think they are healthy. They just do not know they are ill.
All this is the reason why Trump'S bid for Easter weekend ending the whole show is so stupid and dangerous. Three weeks may show to just not being long enough. Many people in the US cannot afford to get themsleve stested or havign health care. They go to their job out of need, evben if they are ill. Thjis must be prevented, by extended lock down, and by having every testing paid for by the state. Its in everybody's interest, socialism has nothing to do with it. It should is communal, economic and state egoism that commands that the state pays for every testing, and to compensate those who are tested positively for not going to work.
Most people who got infected, form symptoms after 5-7 days. 14 days often is said as well, but probably due to economic pressure, to get the people back to jobs as early as possible. A dangerous game.
This all is not about curing it, but to delay the peak in case numbers and win time. For research. For preparation. For getting over the usual seasonal flu cases in hospitals so that they do noit block as many beds. For making masks and protective suits and desinfectants. For getting some stress out of the system and getting hospital staff some time to breathe. For getting drugs, not just tests. What we need is creeping towards herd immunity without case numbers at any time knocking out hospital capacities. A lock down buys us desperately needed time, it does not solve the problem.
Before assuming you want to get the bug now, because there are still places in hospital, consider also that the desease is very painful and means 2-3 weeks of agony if you get hospitalised, with a fair chance for you to not survive it. We hoped that 80% of ill people can stay in home quarantione and only 20% get hospitalised, but it seems the numbers indicate more a 70-30 ratio. You do not want to get this desase so heavily that you get hospitalised as long as it cannot be cured by drugs. Its painful, very, and it often is followed by lung complications lasting for the rest of your life. And youth does not leave you invulnerable. The younger ones can and do get it, too, and they can and do die of it, just not as often as older ones.
Its a very severe and nasty bug.
Stay at home. Take a time out. Wear a mask, no matter what it is, anything is better than nothing. The asians are wiodnering why we do not wear masks. We get told they do nto work, but they do, to varying degrees, they tlel us not to wear them so to have them in hopsitals, becasue the offiocials did not prepare sufficnently, and they tell us we should not wear them so that we get infected and the population creeps towards heard immunity. But it is your health, and you take all the risks. Best way to get herd immunity is by getting a shot into people's arms.
And kick that Texas governor, it made me sick to listen to (-> reading) his garbage of the elderly loving to sacrifice themselves and himself wanting to sacrifice himself as well. I certainly do not stop you, Sir - please take the lead and set the example! A small step for you, a great relief for your nation. :yeah:
Rockstar
03-25-20, 05:54 PM
Countries are starting to hoard food, threatening global trade
It’s not just grocery shoppers who are hoarding pantry staples. Some governments are moving to secure domestic food supplies during the conoravirus pandemic.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/markets/countries-are-starting-to-hoard-food-threatening-global-trade/ar-BB11EY3M
Alright I'm out...
:) Heck yeah. Anyone said that standing next to me I'd to the same thing.
Eichhörnchen
03-25-20, 06:36 PM
https://i.imgur.com/MOgcHbJ.jpg
Onkel Neal
03-25-20, 07:28 PM
:) Heck yeah. Anyone said that standing next to me I'd to the same thing.
That was pretty funny. +1 for the President :shucks:
Moonlight
03-26-20, 04:36 AM
Words fail me.
https://i.ibb.co/s50YN49/A4A4XfX.png (https://ibb.co/rbCrzh2)
Skybird
03-26-20, 06:01 AM
^ :har:
Catfish
03-26-20, 06:11 AM
^^ :haha: +1 for cleverness :O:
So now nations are hoarding? Looks we will be back in the middle ages again, when international cooperation is all that really matters now :doh:
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 06:15 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-amazon-jeff-bezos-relief-fund-covid-19-billionaire-net-worth-a9422236.html?utm_source=reddit.com
No thanks.
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 06:19 AM
Deaths surge by 655 in Spain, taking total to nearly 4,100
The number of deaths in the UK has risen to 465, out of 9,500 confirmed cases.
The US has almost 70,000 confirmed cases and at least 1,050 deaths.
But New York state, the worst affected, says social restrictions are slowing hospital admissions.
Although infections are slowing in Italy, deaths are rising in the poorer south.
In the UK, financial support for the self-employed is due to be unveiled.
US Senate passes $2 trillion stimulus bill, which includes $1,200 for most adults.
In China, no new cases were reported in Hubei province, where the virus emerged.
Catfish
03-26-20, 06:30 AM
Deaths by C. virus, the statistics seem to be updated regularly.
Not that i would believe e.g. China..
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/
Skybird
03-26-20, 06:59 AM
Im in the middle of another email exchange with a Japanese internet buddy with whom I occasionally play email-chess. If I may quote him word by word from his mail last night: "Why are you silly people in your part of the world not wearing face masks?"
I know the first part of my email to him today, it will be Bishop Echo Five :) , but the second part of that mail to answer his question I am still calculating. I am clueless what to reply. Becasue if I make my move "Because we have none", he will counter that easily with his move "Why not?", and that is check mate.
In the state I live in, lock down and not-more-than-two will be in place until at least April 19th, government says. Thats more than three weeks. Thats good, should get a full incubation cycle covered and than some safety time.
Farmers have big problems since foreign season workers have been locked out as a matter of fact. Parts of the fruits and vegetable harvest will be lost.
Catfish
03-26-20, 07:13 AM
Face masks..
german:
https://www.rnd.de/gesundheit/coronavirus-was-bringen-die-atemmasken-AVA7V7A44NDFPLQ2KORZCQRHUE.html
english translation
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rnd.de%2Fgesundheit%2Fcoronavi rus-was-bringen-die-atemmasken-AVA7V7A44NDFPLQ2KORZCQRHUE.html
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 07:32 AM
Coronavirus: Why this self-isolating dad told his daughter he was in Africa
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-52040277/coronavirus-why-this-self-isolating-dad-told-his-daughter-he-was-in-africa
I found this a little upsetting but I admire and salute the father in question :salute:
Skybird
03-26-20, 07:42 AM
Catfish, fall doch nicht immer wieder auf den selben Blödsinn rein.
Drostens comments owe to the simple fact that they want to channel all masks into the health system, since politicians failed to build the reserves needed there although they knew since 2013. A study has shown that even a kitchen towel before your face catches 50% of particles that an FFP3 masks would catch, after 3 hours wearing it it catches even 5% more, 55%. That is not a perfect seal, but better than nothign if you considers that Drosten also says that the virus load during exposition is very relevant: the higher the virus load if you get infected, the more severe your later symptoms, the less virus you catch the milder the desease goes. A towel reduces the virus load by one half. But go on, dont protect your face if you think that is clever.
Its not the first time that Drosten -and others - does not tell the full truth. When talking about aerosols, he said that moisture drops from breath drop to the ground within seocnds and reach out just one meter. WHAT HE DID NOT SAY is that these are just the thick and big drops of up to 1mm in diameter. But we breath out a much finer aerosol, with every stroke of breath, just breathe against a window and you see what it is about. These particles are much, much smaller, get inhaled deep into the lung (VERY bad) and can float in the sky for up to 1.5 hours like an invisible mist. These are infested with not as heavy loads of virus, still they are infested.
Only a stupid can want to seriously argue that this is no problem, especially in closed rooms with high moisture in them and little exchnage of fresh air. Drosten is not stupid, he just faces tough practical constraints. Also, the Asian countries fighting to keep numbers down, all have one - amongst several other - measurements in common: the population is edcuated form childhood on to run a much stricter hygienics regime and to wear face maks, mostly to protect others form oneself, but in times on pandemics and where available also thicker masks that also allow the wearing individual to be protected from the other.
Finally, masks help to prevent your hand from touching your nose and mouth, movements of habit that we all do all the time and that we mostly do not be aware of. Habits. Hard to beat.
Drosten does not necessarily lie. He is under pressure from harsh facts, and these facts are that we allowed to be in dramatic short supply of masks, and thats why he does not tell all the truth, to prevent the public from buying the small amounts of masks availabe that he wants to see in use in hospitals. I cannot even attack him for that, I do not know what I woudl do in his place. But to say masks have no effect and do no good, simply is wrong. Makes no sense. And at least 1.5 billion Asians strictly dosagree wth him anyway, and the statistics are in their favour. They have accheived what the West so far struggles in: to slow down and even contain the pandemic.
Stop pushing that dangerous nonsense. It borders physical injury to mislead people like this. Everybody should use what is available to him to protect him from thin layers of aerosols, which is especially relevant in crowds (thats why they do social distancing!), and closed rooms compartmdents of any kind. Even three layers of cotton is better than nothing. Even a leaf of paper held before your face when the other is coughingat your direction is better than nothing, damn, I cannot believe that I even need to explain this. Whats wrong with you, Catfish?
Keep the load of virus you get hit by as low as you can. SaysDrosten himself. So use whatever is available to to protect yourself, means: nose, eyes, mouth. Every little bit helps. every little bit may be the bit that makes the difference for you. A towel, a surgical masks, a sel-made cotton wool mask, a FFP2 or even FFP3 respirator mask. They all shield you, OBVIOUSLY, some do more, some do less. The effect depends on the quality. But they all have an effect at least. They all help you to shift chances in your favour. And that is what it is about: to bribe your luck, to influence chances in your favour.
I do not wear a FFP3 mask when driving on bicycle. Not when walking down the street. But when I enter a supermarket, or would walk close to the stands of a market, or enter a baker shop with the high moisture in the air there, before I enter such places, I put it on and also wear thin latex gloves (which i take off and do away once I leave).
Heck, grow up, people. This is elemental, profound reason! This is the 101 of hygienics, like washing your hands! Drosten would tell people not to wash their hands with soap if soap would be in short supply and would be needed in hospitals. What else should he do, eh...?
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 08:39 AM
Some 3.3m Americans filed jobless claims last week - more than four times the previous record.
The figure was released after the US Senate passed a $2 trillion stimulus bill, including $1,200 for most adults.
Mr Quatro
03-26-20, 10:50 AM
But New York state, the worst affected, says social restrictions are slowing hospital admissions.
Odd complaint due to the hospitals only check for Covid-19 at the hospital and not on the street probably due to not enough test kits yet or too many people on the street to check them to admit them.
Some 3.3m Americans filed jobless claims last week - more than four times the previous record.
Might even go up another 2 million before it is over :o
[URL]Countries are starting to hoard food, threatening global trade
It’s not just grocery shoppers who are hoarding pantry staples. Some governments are moving to secure domestic food supplies during the conoravirus pandemic.
Domino effect, I do not want to see anymore fall as the outcome could be very nasty.
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 11:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sy3gtORANw
Skybird
03-26-20, 12:23 PM
Hey Catfish (and everybody else thinking masks are not needed)
Ärztepräsident appelliert an deutsche Bevölkerung: „Tragen Sie Schutzmasken im öffentlichen Raum“
Topmeldung (16.37 Uhr): Ärztepräsident Klaus Reinhardt hat an die Bevölkerung appelliert, Schutzmasken zu tragen: "Mein Rat: Besorgen Sie sich einfache Schutzmasken oder basteln Sie sich selbst welche und tragen Sie diese im öffentlichen Raum", sagte der Präsident der Bundesärztekammer (BAEK) der "Neuen Osnabrücker Zeitung" (NOZ). "Diese Masken garantieren keinen Schutz vor Ansteckung. Aber sie können ein wenig helfen, das Risiko zu verringern, andere anzustecken oder selbst angesteckt zu werden."
Translation:
Doctors' president appeals to German population: "Wear protective masks in public spaces"
Top news (16:37): Doctor President Klaus Reinhardt has appealed to the population to wear protective masks: "My advice: Get simple protective masks or make your own and wear them in public space," said the President of the German Medical Association (BAEK ) of the "Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung" (NOZ). "These masks do not guarantee protection against infection. But they can help a little to reduce the risk of infecting others or being infected yourself."
Do the lazy ones now get it, yes...?
However, with how he continued he contradicted himself:
Reinhardt emphasized: "Wearing simple masks can also make sense to contain the virus." The simple masks made of fabric or other materials are only an auxiliary construct. "But they are better than nothing because they filter the air we breathe," he justified his appeal.
At the same time, the medical president urged the population to use only simple masks. "Important: Do not order or buy professional protective masks online," said Reinhardt. "If you are not in the healthcare sector or have previous medical conditions, you do not need FFP2 or FFP3 masks."
The professional protective masks are more urgently needed by others, Reinhardt explained in the NOZ: "Sick people should wear them when they are dealing with other people. Above all, doctors and nurses who care for sick people need these masks in order not to do so themselves fall ill and become carriers. " If a Covid sufferer and his caregiver or doctor wear an FFP2 mask, "the level of protection is very high. And that is crucial at the moment."
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In other words: try protect yourself, but do not protect yourself well. Reason: exactly what I outlined in my earlier response to Catfish one page earlier. That puts a family father into an interesting position: should he put his family at risk by not buying FFP mask he could get, and instead have his wife knitting some textile together, or should he be "unsolidaric" with nurses and doctors and dare to chose the best protection for his family and children?
It did not had to be this way, if politicians would have done their homework since 2013. But it was so much more important to redirect a massive mass migration to Germany two years later and since then pay billions for that. And waste many more millions and billions on several other dubious political tasks, and voter briberies for the next elections.
Mr Quatro
03-26-20, 12:38 PM
We could've guessed this, uh?
What is happening right now will have a peak probably by summer, but what about the flu season of Nov/Dec 2020
will it then be called the virus season in 2021?
This is just a speed bump :yep:
But smooth roads are not guaranteed till we have a virus solution :up:
Dr. Anthony Fauci agrees :yep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aas7htAXEdY
Some Danish politicians among them the former Prime minister have said they support Trump in his statement.
(which I of course, now when I'm writing this comment have forgot)
It was something with
The cost of a life should not exceed the cost of a nation
Markus
Jeff-Groves
03-26-20, 02:02 PM
Spock’s Logic: “The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few.”
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 02:19 PM
Half a million people have now contracted coronavirus globally.
UK deaths reach 578, a rise of more than 100 a day for the first time.
UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak announces help for self-employed.
Italy records another 712 deaths in 24 hours, bringing the total to 8,215
Some 3.3m Americans filed jobless claims last week - more than four times the previous record.
Confirmed cases in the US near 70,000, with at least 1,050 deaths.
G20 leaders vow to inject $5tn (£4.1tn) into the global economy.
Deaths surge by 655 in Spain, taking total to nearly 4,100
Jeff-Groves
03-26-20, 02:32 PM
I've pretty much been isolated for over 3 weeks now.
I worry about my Wife as she works at a Dollar Tree.
My job keeps me away from the public 95% of the time.
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 02:40 PM
Had to look that one up Jeff never having heard of it/them
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc., formerly known as Only $1.00, is an American chain of discount variety stores that sells items for $1 or less. Headquartered in Chesapeake, Virginia, it is a Fortune 500 company and operates 15,115 stores throughout the 48 contiguous U.S. states and Canada.
Jeff-Groves
03-26-20, 02:43 PM
Nancy is a Manager at one of the local stores.
Needless to say all kinds of idiots go there!
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 02:47 PM
Oh I can imagine :yep:
UK FOLKS THE BIG CLAP FOR THE NHS 8PM :salute:
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 02:54 PM
I'll go mental if only the wife and I appear in our Close.
u crank
03-26-20, 02:55 PM
So it's true. Stupid is as stupid does. Today I was at a local supermarket. I took as many precautions as I could. Brought my own bags, didn't use a cart, didn't touch anything but the items I bought and wore surgical gloves. The store takes a lot of precautions as well. They no longer handle your credit or airmiles card and constantly wipe down surfaces at the checkout. They have also erected plexiglass barriers to protect the cashiers. I know it's not perfect but everyone is trying.
So I go to stand in line at the express lane as is my custom. In front of me is a lady who is standing at least eight feet from the guy in front of her. She is wearing a mask and when she sees me about four feet behind her she pulls up her hoodie and tightens the strings. I smile and as she is paying I see what she is wearing on her hands. Knitted gloves, the kind you wear in the winter time. I kid you not.
I resisted the temptation to say something. My wife told me she is proud of me.:O:
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 03:06 PM
I'll go mental if only the wife and I appear in our Close.
Could and should have been better supporte/attended. Out of 37 houses on our estate a little under half bothered.
Shocking :nope:
I am disgusted and shamed of the people of the UK tonight was it so much effort to clap! :nope:
Jim, apart from myself and the neighbour on the corner of my road no one else!
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 03:24 PM
The daughter message me to say I should take into account there are mainly old people on my estate (which is wrong) and the event was organised mainly on social media (not so sure about that either because the news channels were certainly flagging it up this morning).
Onkel Neal
03-26-20, 03:26 PM
I am disgusted and shamed of the people of the UK tonight was it so much effort to clap! :nope:
Jim, apart from myself and the neighbour on the corner of my road no one else!
Could and should have been better supporte/attended. Out of 37 houses on our estate a little under half bothered.
Shocking :nope:
I don't understand, what is this? What are you talking about?
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 03:31 PM
I don't understand, what is this? What are you talking about?
Clap for our Carers: National applause for coronavirus health workers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-52054745/clap-for-our-carers-national-applause-for-coronavirus-health-workers
Watch the video in the link (only 1:25 duration).
Catfish
03-26-20, 03:32 PM
Maybe not all were aware, not all use internet as we do.
^ edit: that was nice :up:
The daughter message me to say I should take into account there are mainly old people on my estate (which is wrong) and the event was organised mainly on social media (not so sure about that either because the news channels were certainly flagging it up this morning).
Agreed it was on SKY news well before 8pm. I am not having ago at people who could not take part in any way but those who could have.....SHOULD HAVE!
The NHS is on the front line and our Doctor's and Nurses and others are putting themselves at greater risk to take care of those patients suffering the worst of this dam virus.
Jimbuna
03-26-20, 03:38 PM
On that we can both agree :yep:
Skybird
03-26-20, 04:14 PM
Bosch brings a new quick test early April. The kit comes in a cartridge that allows analysis of the sample within 2.5 hours and without external laboratory. It has a reliablity of 95%, which is de3scribed by the WHO as "sufficient" for licensing, and also tests on over half a dozen other lung infections, assisting doctors further to decide for or rule out Corona. If it works like Bosch claims, its pretty much what we need now: a quick and reliable testkit that can be run in every doctor's practice rooms or hospital, drive-in or improvised testing station. Staff does not need extended special training, the kit cartridge works mostly by itself and includes all needed ingredients and agents.
Bosch runs an own medical technology department. Just saying, since this probably is not known by many people. I mean: they have experience with med tech.
Catfish
03-26-20, 04:23 PM
There are a lot of companies here who help, seldom mentioned though.
Also a lot of private help, getting all kinds of goods, supporting nursing homes or elder people living alone.
But bad news are good news for the media, so you don't hear much of that ... :yep:
Skybird
03-26-20, 04:28 PM
Agreed it was on SKY news well before 8pm. I am not having ago at people who could not take part in any way but those who could have.....SHOULD HAVE!
The NHS is on the front line and our Doctor's and Nurses and others are putting themselves at greater risk to take care of those patients suffering the worst of this dam virus.
Applause does not pay their bills. Payment rises do. ;) Problem is the latter costs money. Also, material supply problems getting solved would be a nice form of supporting them.
Sorry, I am just not into that "symbolic acts" sort of business. Do your deed, add your donation, donate blood if they still let you, spend money, vote for pay rises, mailbomb politicians to get the material issues solved. Clapping hands is more about the hand clappers themselves than the nurses if applause is all what the nurses get.
The same applies to many other underpaid job groups as well. When you need them, you chant for them, and once its over, they get forgotten again soon. Seen it so often .
Do not appllaude - donate. contribute. spend. Press politicans and companies. Applause alone pays no bills, its cheap.
em2nought
03-26-20, 06:02 PM
Maybe not all were aware, not all use internet as we do.
^ edit: that was nice :up:
Probably one in ten use the internet as an information superhighway, the other nine out of ten use it for selfies, jokes, candy crush, and God knows what else. LOL :up:
Skybird
03-26-20, 06:13 PM
09:00 ff
"How do we beat this thing? Everybody wears a face mask."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YN7aBiICz4
In the second half of it he compares two basic scenarios basing on two differen assumptions, that must lead to different political and economical fallout. He concludes that apparently our leaders have chosen to go with the wrong one, thus maximising the fallout damages. I am cautiously and hesitently agreeing with it, since his reasoning on this was new to me and I am not yet fully settled with my choice of opinion over this.
Jeff-Groves
03-26-20, 06:19 PM
Probably one in ten use the internet as an information superhighway, the other nine out of ten use it for selfies, jokes, candy crush, and God knows what else. LOL :up:
I swear I only searched for WWII Submarine porn!
:o
Mr Quatro
03-26-20, 06:22 PM
Churches finding new ways to have church ... this is an old drive-in in Kentucky :up:
https://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/webRNS-DriveIn-Church1-032320-1200x800.jpg
Well folks
Be prepared for another lock down in autumn 2020, Winter 2021, late summer 2021.....
The goal to create an immunity against this corona among the human race is not important..the important here is to protect everyone.
Therefore be prepared.
Markus
Skybird
03-26-20, 06:38 PM
The goal to create an immunity against this corona among the human race is not important..the important here is to protect everyone.
You protect everyone one day - by getting to everyone being immunised. By a vaccine. What we currently try to do, is not solving the issue, but buying time. Flattening the curve does not cure Covid-19. It buys us time before a - hopefully flatter - peak comes, and hopefully prevents health care systems from getting overwhelmed and not being able to help neither Corona patients nor any other patient. Obviously that is very difficult to acchiece, the war rages hot and unforgiving in France, Italy, Spain.
How do we buy time? We flatten the curve. We all wear a face mask. We practice social distancing. All this slows down the spread of the deasese. And gives our researchers time they need. "2 meters distance determines our existence."
Mr Quatro
03-26-20, 06:42 PM
More testing did this ... we have to see the end of the tunnel before we can get out of the tunnel :yep:
China went over 1,000 confirmed infections on 24 January and hit 80,000 on 1 March, 35 days later.
The US went over 1,000 confirmed infections on 11 March and hit 80,000 on 26 March, 15 days later.
Jeff-Groves
03-26-20, 06:47 PM
We're number 1 again!
:rock:
You sure you ain't working for the Democrats?
Instead of statistics. Tell me about the snag that held up the bill last night.
You protect everyone one day - by getting to everyone being immunised. By a vaccine. What we currently try to do, is not solving the issue, but buying time. Flattening the curve does not cure Covid-19. It buys us time before a - hopefully flatter - peak comes, and hopefully prevents health care systems from getting overwhelmed and not being able to help neither Corona patients nor any other patient. Obviously that is very difficult to acchiece, the war rages hot and unforgiving in France, Italy, Spain.
How do we buy time? We flatten the curve. We all wear a face mask. We practice social distancing. All this slows down the spread of the deasese. And gives our researchers time they need. "2 meters distance determines our existence."
Some hours ago I read this in a Danish news paper.
"
Kari Mølbak, who is the technical director of Infection Preparedness at Statens Serum Institut, does not hide the fact that he disagrees with the message that has been sent by the World Health Organization, WHO.
Here is the message that countries must test, test and test themselves through the epidemic.
They must simultaneously isolate all sick and put their contacts in quarantine in order to break the chain of infection.
Then we just push the problem in front of us because this virus is something that the population has to go through sooner or later, says Kåre Mølbak, who is also a consultant in infectious epidemiology and professor at the Faculty of Health Sciences at the University of Copenhagen,
It must happen at a pace where the health care system is not being put under such enormous pressure that it can no longer treat the most ill citizens of society.
Such as seen in major European countries such as Italy and Spain, which together have more than half of the world's registered deaths for coronavirus.
According to Kåre Mølbak, most of us must sooner or later be infected with Covid-19. That is the law of the epidemic.
- That's what is the problem with what the WHO says. They imagine you can contain the infection, but I think that is totally passé.
believes that the infection at best can be halved as a result of the initiatives taken.
Thus, the shape of the epidemic curve will flatten out, which will have a noticeable effect on the load on the health system, according to the risk assessment.
On the other hand, if we follow the WHO's recommendation, we do not, according to Kåre Mølbak, achieve the same herd immunity, where large sections of the population are infected during the first wave of the epidemic and thus become immune to the disease.
Then we risk that the next wave of the epidemic in the autumn will be so high that it will shake the health care system
"
Markus
Rockstar
03-26-20, 08:14 PM
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Skybird
03-26-20, 08:32 PM
@mapuc,
Yes but there are two ways to reach immunity, mapuc. By infection adn surviving it, and by vaccine, which is in principle a mild infection under controlled lab circumstances. Top get the latter, we need to buy time.
The Swedes, the Dutch and originally the British wanted to go like this man you mention says. But the math showed the British that by letting it just burn through the population, the health system would be overwhelnmed and the overall death toll from Corona as well as other patients not having Corona but not getting treated due to hospital collapse, were horrific and much higher than if you try to delay by flattenign the curve and hoping you get the time needed to have a vaccine.
The Swedes still seem to run "let it burn through the populaiton and count the bodies afterwards". By all what I have seen in the internet media, I must conclude that they will terribly regret this. The math simply does not compute. Not in Britains case. Not in Hollands case. And most likely also not in Sweden's case.
After the current social isolation phase, which will last 3-6 weeks I expect, we must find ways to get away from that, because we cannot endure that until next year economically. We must thus isolate and protect the vulnerable (elder), and have the less vulnerable being freed of the restricitions first (young). Until next year, we all will need to practice social distancing, I expect. A lot of social adaptation and changes in how we sustain the elderly people must be figured out as well. The old generations in families will find this tough. Caretklaing of the elderly will become extremely difficult and cost- and personnell-intensive. Human tragedies loom ahead.
I see small positives in all this, too, they are minor and seem irrelevant, even eccentric, but still. Not only is the city currently lacking traffic noise, which I like tremendously, but our habits of socially greeting when meeting the other, must change, too. No more hugs and kisses with colleagues and strangers, and hand-shaking. I never liked all that, while at the same time these things became ever more intensely practiced over the past 20, 30 years, to illustrate how "social" and group-compliant somebody is. From now on greeting will be a nod with the head, a friendly look , an implied bow, a friendly hand gesture like they do in India and parts of Asia, maybe. I like these more self-restraint social manners much more, the Western manners have become quite extroverted and even exhibitionistic over the past decades. And in ordinary living together in the public space, we need to become more decent again and act with more decency and distance, which I also prefer.
And finally, the complecancy that has spread widely here in the West, is shaken, and I hope it really gets cut back by all this. Suddenly, its about life and death, a real threat, no time for progressive mindfukking anymore , to use a term by Fritz Perls.
Real threats to life and existence, bring people back to their elemental senses. Hopefully. As communities we will need to learn to get along with less, and must learn greater modesty again. What we had taken for granted, suddenly is in doubt. We just have started to experience the first of two tsunamis. After the medical tsunami comes the financial-economic one. Its absolutely possible that it flushes our "money":LOL:-system away. This seocnd tsnunmai already has begun as well, we see it in the many people who got laid off already, and small businesses dying.
I hope we use the opporutntiy to ,let the many m,any zombie companies die as well, their quota in the economy has become unsustainable in the past ten years. Myartket emans that unhealthy, noncompetitive companies leave the game and get replaced by better suited, advanced contenders. Keeping dead corpusses alive and carry their weight along, any economy can sustain only until a certain quota, and not beyond.
Rockstar
03-26-20, 09:06 PM
Edited interview short version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts
Full interview Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
Buddahaid
03-26-20, 10:16 PM
....and what lessons governments can learn as they think about preparing for future challenges.
Small ones judging by historical record.
Kpt. Lehmann
03-26-20, 10:25 PM
Churches finding new ways to have church ... this is an old drive-in in Kentucky :up:
https://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/webRNS-DriveIn-Church1-032320-1200x800.jpg
I know it isn't popular to say so these days, but I think that is AWESOME! :up::up::up:
Buddahaid
03-26-20, 11:03 PM
That brings up something I hadn't thought about or read about. How is the Catholic Church handling Communion now?
Onkel Neal
03-26-20, 11:53 PM
Michigan nurse
https://www.facebook.com/jeff.pinard.5/videos/10159330934374045/
Buddahaid
03-27-20, 12:41 AM
Michigan nurse
https://www.facebook.com/jeff.pinard.5/videos/10159330934374045/
That's pretty bad and worse than what I'm encountering in Northern California Wine Country so far, and yes, we're taking measures to conserve PPE supplies. I wonder just what hospital and where in Michigan.
Onkel Neal
03-27-20, 12:45 AM
The US number of reported cases just blew past Spain, Germany, and Iran. Well, Iran doesn't count, their numbers are probably bogus.
By Friday the US will pass China and be #1 in the world for reported COVID-19 cases.
Ta da! :o
Buddahaid
03-27-20, 01:04 AM
No worries, we can all go back to work by Easter. :yeah:
https://www.keethealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/bring-out-your-dead-gif.gif
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 06:22 AM
Boris has just tested positive for the virus which is hardly surprising when you consider the number of people he must come into contact with every day.
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 06:26 AM
Jeremy Corbyn says the government's response to coronavirus proves he was "absolutely right" about public spending at the 2019 general election.
The Labour leader told the BBC he had been "denounced as somebody that wanted to spend more money than we could possibly afford" to fix social wrongs.
But he said he had been vindicated by the vast sums the government was spending on the current crisis.
The Tories now realised they had to "invest in the state", he added.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52048213
I don't know why the BBC waste any time on this individual. He will sit back and comment on events as they unfold.
Typical Liebour, always wise after the fact/event.
Skybird
03-27-20, 06:55 AM
Michigan nurse
https://www.facebook.com/jeff.pinard.5/videos/10159330934374045/
Its just a dispensable nurse, and women talk without brains anyway. As long as Trump is fine and his ego can infinitely expand and stretch at all directions, everythign is good and we should focus on what really matters. Its just a virus, so stop making such a wave about it.
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 07:04 AM
Britain's PM has tested positive for coronavirus.
Boris Johnson is self-isolating but not stepping back from his duties for the time being.
The death toll in Spain rises sharply as 769 people die in 24 hours.
President Trump says there is "much respect" after calling President Xi of China.
There had been tension after Mr Trump's use of the phrase "Chinese virus"
The US now has more than 85,000 cases - overtaking China.
More people with Covid-19 have died in China, however.
Australia is to quarantine all returning citizens in hotels.
Hot off the news on the radio, Tesco online shopping has noticed people are ordering greater amounts of food.....NO S@!$ As you American's would say, BTW i am using Dave Allan with that comment.
So they are restricting it to a max of 80 items and 1 per item range. Once again too bloody late! Bad news here I was told from a friend whom went out shopping in my area the shops are now back to almost empty! So much for their promises two weeks ago, food riots is now looking possible. :nope:
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 07:41 AM
Visited the local Tesco a few hours ago. It isn't a large supermarket but nor is it a small high street convenience size.
People were queue the perimeter of the car park and as went towards the entrance in search of a trolley a woman who was coming out said to me "I wouldn't bother, there is next to nothing on the shelves" so back O ent to the car.
What annoys me is the fact I've a little under £240 in vouchers and can't currently use them but they are valid until 30th November 1921.
Onkel Neal
03-27-20, 07:47 AM
Food riots will go away after 2~3 weeks, once the peasants grow too weak to walk. Expect the angry shouting to continue for months afterward though.
valid until 30th November 1921.
?? That should be a pretty cool time travel trick. ;)
What annoys me is the fact I've a little under £240 in vouchers and can't currently use them but they are valid until 30th November 1921.
:har: :har:
Sorry jim that was funny but I do know what you mean..2021. I hope you get to use them before they expire.
Food riots will go away after 2~3 weeks, once the peasants grow too weak to walk. Expect the angry shouting to continue for months afterward though.
What anger's me as soon as this started the first items to fly off the shelf was toilet paper all the supermarket's should have bought in strong measures straight away but no all they could see was... £ signs before their eye's. I feel sorry for the workers as these decisions are taken on high. So the shop worker's suffer, reports around here they are being spat on! :nope:
Its just a dispensable nurse, and women talk without brains anyway. As long as Trump is fine and his ego can infinitely expand and stretch at all directions, everythign is good and we should focus on what really matters. Its just a virus, so stop making such a wave about it.
So angry and bitter. The TDS is strong in you.
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 08:18 AM
Food riots will go away after 2~3 weeks, once the peasants grow too weak to walk. Expect the angry shouting to continue for months afterward though.
?? That should be a pretty cool time travel trick. ;)
:har: :har:
Sorry jim that was funny but I do know what you mean..2021. I hope you get to use them before they expire.
LOL, had to read both post a couple of times before I realised :oops:
Here's one of them.
https://i.postimg.cc/ZqPb89Js/IMG-2902.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 08:25 AM
What anger's me as soon as this started the first items to fly off the shelf was toilet paper all the supermarket's should have bought in strong measures straight away but no all they could see was... £ signs before their eye's. I feel sorry for the workers as these decisions are taken on high. So the shop worker's suffer, reports around here they are being spat on! :nope:
My wife works for M&S and hasn't been in since last Saturday. She is a little worried her work colleagues will resent the fact she is safe at home despite not being on paid leave.
She rang a close colleague last night to find out at least another four have taken the same course of action which has left her feeling a lot better.
I've told her she can retire now if she likes (two and a half year early) but much to her credit she said she is determined to go back when everything calms down.
Now as to what the staff are being treated like by the customers I'll just say, the least said the better.
she is determined to go back when everything calms down.
:salute:
Now as to what the staff are being treated like by the customers I'll just say, the least said the better.
Customers should get it though their heads these staff workers are taking big chances and respect them and behave.
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 08:47 AM
Well I've went so far as to offer to shadow her when she returns for a few days but she declined, rather wisely I reckon upon reflection.
Rockstar
03-27-20, 09:03 AM
So angry and bitter. The TDS is strong in you.
Lets face it the U.S. isnt quite number one in infections just yet. Schengen Area with its population of 400 million is still number one and growing. With that I mind I just dont understand the euros infactuation and focus on Trump. Seems they have enough problems in their own backyard to contend with.
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 09:24 AM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus. Here is his statement in full:
Hi folks
I want to bring you up to speed with something's that happening today, which is that I've developed mild symptoms of the coronavirus - that's to say, a temperature and a persistent cough.
And on the advice of the Chief Medical Officer, I've taken a test that has come out positive, so I am working from home. I'm self-isolating and that's entirely the right thing to do.
But be in no doubt that I can continue, thanks to the wizardry of modern technology, to communicate with all my top team to lead the national fight back against coronavirus.
And I want to thank everybody who's involved. I want to thank, of course, above all, our amazing NHS staff.
It was very moving last night to join in that national clap for the NHS. But it's not just the NHS; it's police, social care workers, teachers, everybody who works in schools, DWP staff.
An amazing national effort by the public services but also by every member of the British public who's volunteering - an incredible response.
Six-hundred-thousand people have volunteered to take part in a great national effort to protect people from the consequences of coronavirus. I want to thank you.
I want to thank everybody who's keen to keep our country going through this epidemic and we will get through it.
And the way we're going to get through it is, of course, by applying the measures that you will have heard so much about - and the more effectively we all comply with those measures, the faster our country will come through this epidemic and the faster we'll bounce back.
So thank you to everybody who's doing what I'm doing, working from home to stop the spread of the virus from household to household. That's the way we're going to win.
We're going to beat it and we're going to beat it together.
Stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives.
Onkel Neal
03-27-20, 09:51 AM
Lets face it the U.S. isnt quite number one in infections just yet. Schengen Area with its population of 400 million is still number one and growing. With that I mind I just dont understand the euros infactuation and focus on Trump. Seems they have enough problems in their own backyard to contend with.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2657721#post2657721
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus. Here is his statement in full:
Hi folks
So thank you to everybody who's doing what I'm doing, working from home to stop the spread of the virus from household to household. That's the way we're going to win.
We're going to beat it and we're going to beat it together.
Stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives.
So nice that celebs and politicians can get the test whenever they want. Everyone else, it's stay home and die.
em2nought
03-27-20, 09:55 AM
I recommend killing yourself. You'll never get sick after that.
See, I knew the democrats were pro euthanasia. :D Kill 'em coming and going. :03:
Onkel Neal
03-27-20, 10:20 AM
US is about 8 days away from breaking the million reported cases mark.
The people who have been downplaying this are pretty quiet now. My twitter feed and FB news suddenly don't have so many "just the flu, bro" posts.
Skybird
03-27-20, 10:21 AM
I put this into both threads intentionally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWFr6khY2U4
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 10:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGZpSn1tr54
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 11:15 AM
So angry and bitter. The TDS is strong in you.
What does this mean ... the term 'TDS' is new to me :yep:
Sorry about Boris Johnson contracting Covid-19
God and this virus is no respecter of persons anyone can get it it's not the devil or God.
https://ctd-thechristianpost.netdna-ssl.com/en/full/78257/donald-trump.jpg?w=760&h=474
President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have joined a prayer meeting with a group of 700
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 11:17 AM
US is about 8 days away from breaking the million reported cases mark.
The people who have been downplaying this are pretty quiet now. My twitter feed and FB news suddenly don't have so many "just the flu, bro" posts.
How do you figure that Neal? 800,000 maybe, but not one million :hmmm:
Eichhörnchen
03-27-20, 11:24 AM
My wife works for M&S...
Now as to what the staff are being treated like by the customers I'll just say, the least said the better.
In M&S? Are the customers giving them a frosty look?
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 11:28 AM
The US now has more than 85,000 cases - overtaking China.
If you take New York out of the total's for USA we would be right behind the UK
New York Confirmed 44,635
Deaths
519
What does this mean ... the term 'TDS' is new to me :yep:
I think it means...Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Seen it a few times.
Buddahaid
03-27-20, 11:31 AM
What does this mean ... the term 'TDS' is new to me :yep:
It's just another cute little childish reference for people who think Trump isn't the messiah.
BREAKING UK NEWS..
Boris Johnson's chief medical officer Chris Whitty is self-isolating after experiencing coronavirus symptoms.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-chief-medical-officer-chris-whitty-self-isolates-with-symptoms-11964697
US is about 8 days away from breaking the million reported cases mark.
The people who have been downplaying this are pretty quiet now. My twitter feed and FB news suddenly don't have so many "just the flu, bro" posts.
Yeah you're right it's not just the flu, it's much less. 1 million cases equals 1 in 327 people The flu has already hit 22 million people in the US so far this year. You're listening to the chicken littles of the forum way too much.
Four months into the flu season, at least 22 million U.S. residents (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cdc.gov_flu_index.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=RAhzPLrCAq19eJdrcQiUVEwFYoMRqGDAXQ_puw5tYjg&r=GgivkKNHTVnLjjXi-z78EdTOTAei-Qk2cgtA-vxxZao&m=mGNrsaLdrtA72XSF_8P20n9ZDxq_tmkHquwGTRwUA4o&s=Ff3jsCgIh7LY9vYcsndswCGIyz3-wIUFCveTpJ2R01k&e=)have contracted influenza — and possibly as many as 31 million people, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Of those afflicted (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm), about 210,000 have been hospitalized and at least 12,000 have died of the flu, including 78 children as of Feb. 7. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 11:37 AM
It's just another cute little childish reference for people who think Trump isn't the messiah.
No president has been that good even President Truman was bad mouthed by Americans after he dropped the 'A' bomb :yep:
Skybird
03-27-20, 11:41 AM
https://ctd-thechristianpost.netdna-ssl.com/en/full/78257/donald-trump.jpg?w=760&h=474
President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have joined a prayer meeting with a group of 700
No doubt Trump's divine ego has enjoyed this arrangement with him at the centre tremendously, still the scene somehow reminds of Aladdin rubbing the lamp.
Its science that will save us. Science that currently works at record speeds. Stopp rubbing magical lamps, but increase budgets for pure research (Grundlagenforschung) beyond mere profit-orientation.
I recalled what I personally have experienced throughout my life.
Such as catch the Flu two times during one winter. The flu had mutated and then return and I was unlucky to catch again.
Some years back the Danish Serum institute got an example of that years Flu and developed a vaccine.
They had developed the wrong vaccine-when the Flu hit Denmark, it had mutated.
This happened in the 2017-2018 season, in which 1700-1800 Danish people lost their life.
So there's a huge possibility when this Corona return in autumn 2020 it will have mutated and then it doesn't matter if we have been immune via natural infection or by vaccine.
Today they can only create a vaccine based on Corona S-strain or L-strain. when it mutate to example T-strain these two vaccine will not have any effect.
(If have heard these expert and my doctor correct)
Markus
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 11:52 AM
No doubt Trump's divine ego has enjoyed this arrangement with him at the centre tremendously, still the scene somehow reminds of Aladdin rubbing the lamp.
Its science that will save us. Science that currently works at record speeds. Stopp rubbing magical lamps, but increase budgets for pure research (Grundlagenforschung) beyond mere profit-orientation.
That's why we have a forum here on Subsim called GT ... :up:
so you can discuss your thoughts and views, plus our forum just
happens to be an international one that makes it even more interesting. :yep:
forum
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
"it will be a forum for consumers to exchange their views on medical research"
a website or web page where users can post comments about a particular issue or topic and reply to other users' postings.
It's just another cute little childish reference for people who think Trump isn't the messiah.
Well at least the hard core Democrats and the few remaining never trumpers believe that, but I think that it actually is just a symptom of their deepening mental illness.
You see for those who don't know TDS is short for Trump Derangement Syndrome and it a disease of the mind where it's victims, finding their maniacal dreams of a socialist utopia dashed by the nations rejection of their candidate, an arrogant mao suit wearing corporate version of Dr. Evil, have gone permanently insane.
There's just no other explanation to me. TDS manifests itself in irrational hatred and it's sufferers will believe anything they hear or read no matter how ridiculous or who it's coming from as long as it fits their preconceived notions of the man.
They will happily see the country sent into a new Great Depression and half it's citizens dead of a foreign virus if that's what it takes to get the bad orange man out of office. I'm guessing they think they will step in as the nations saviors and completely destroy what remains of the country with ridiculous boondoggles like the green new deal and eliminating civil liberties like the right to self defense and free speech.
Is for those people the most that I hope for a Trump victory in November. :up:
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 12:11 PM
You see for those who don't know TDS is short for Trump Derangement Syndrome and it a disease of the mind where it's victims, finding their maniacal dreams of a socialist utopia dashed by the nations rejection of their candidate, an arrogant mao suit wearing corporate version of Dr. Evil, have gone permanently insane.
There's just no other explanation to me. TDS manifests itself in irrational hatred and it's sufferers will believe anything they hear or read no matter how ridiculous or who it's coming from as long as it fits their preconceived notions of the man.
So in other words if you dissect a TDS person you would find pure hatred in other things that they believe are true?
PS were going to get in trouble, uh? :D
......and we are one happy family after all
Markus
I believe the word you're looking for is 'dysfunctional'. :O:
So in other words if you dissect a TDS person you would find pure hatred in other things that they believe are true?
PS were going to get in trouble, uh? :D
Right! Back on topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZdL_uV-GQ&feature=emb_logo
Catfish
03-27-20, 01:17 PM
^ :rotfl2::rotfl2: :up:
edit hey where did you put the post i answered to?
Nevermind, here it is :D
Government Accidentally Shuts Itself Down With Ban On Non-Essential Businesses
https://babylonbee.com/news/government-accidentally-shuts-itself-down-with-ban-on-non-essential-businesses?fbclid=IwAR3JanjA0Tda9i3mC5d6FuVLlS2NzQ fTShDelSLIqkXGpeF5i8WVk7ozb4s
Onkel Neal
03-27-20, 01:23 PM
It's just another cute little childish reference for people who think Trump isn't the messiah.
No, there are a large number of people who have gone way off the deep end and everything is Trump's fault. A LOT is Trump's fault, but also a lot of other people who should know better are equally at fault. And that's where the derangement comes in; the TDS crowd only criticizes Trump.
@:45
That's the New York City Health Commissioner. She's supposed to know better. She's an idiot.
https://youtu.be/tNflR2Ia7Hc?t=41
How do you figure that Neal? 800,000 maybe, but not one million :hmmm:
Of course it all depends on the rate of increase and number tested.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=3012&d=1585333367
Yeah you're right it's not just the flu, it's much less. 1 million cases equals 1 in 327 people The flu has already hit 22 million people in the US so far this year. You're listening to the chicken littles of the forum way too much.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
No sir, I am the chicken little of the forum. Just the flu, bro.
Jeff-Groves
03-27-20, 01:33 PM
Trying to work something out with my Company about work.
A planned jobsite is in Pontiac, Michigan.
Currently a Hot Spot of infections in Michigan.
I'm 62 and DO NOT want to go there!
:o
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 01:47 PM
This lady thought it was just a cold ... :o
https://www.yahoo.com/news/healthy-woman-details-grim-reality-of-contracting-coronavirus-102916917.html
Coronavirus: 30-year-old healthy woman details grim reality of contracting COVID-19
A 30-year-old woman has detailed the grim reality of contracting coronavirus from her hospital bed as she warns people to take the illness seriously.
Intan Clement, a French and Australian citizen living in Paris, was diagnosed with coronavirus after suffering a cough so horrific she struggled for gasps of breath.
Ms Clement’s symptoms started about two weeks ago – she had a light, dry cough and struggled for air.
She was otherwise healthy and did not smoke, so didn’t think it was anything too serious.
She thought she had caught the illness from her partner, who was ill a few days prior with a fever and headaches.
“I thought it was a simple cold – he hasn’t had any other symptoms since that. I’ve been turning sicker and sicker,”
Eichhörnchen
03-27-20, 01:57 PM
Moira had a run-in with a bloke in ALDI today who seemed to think that he could crowd other shoppers. The security guard eventually had to order him from the store, despite his protests that he was a "key worker" (whatever that means now). Moira waded in... behind the security guard... and told him that if he was a 'key worker' then he should know better
Jimbuna
03-27-20, 02:07 PM
Good for Moira. A responsible minded key worker should be professional enough to know what is required of people at this difficult time.
Ann and I have been fortunate today as our kids have been to separate supermarkets and managed to get a few 'fresh' essentials for their mam.
James, bless him, even managed to pick up three more cases of Carlsberg for his old man.
Catfish
03-27-20, 02:28 PM
^ that's the spirit, even if it's not spirit, but beer :O:
@Eichhörnchen how does one "crowd" someone, i mean what for/why?
Jeff-Groves
03-27-20, 02:39 PM
15 cans of Spam arrived today!
:rock:
Catfish
03-27-20, 02:52 PM
^ Pah i got much more in my inbox :D
Jeff-Groves
03-27-20, 03:03 PM
^ Pah i got much more in my inbox :D
But can you eat that SPAM?
:haha:
am [/I]the chicken little of the forum. Just the flu, bro.
Well then chill out Chick! Like I said the numbers in your chart just do not compare. The regular flu, which you say you never had, remains far more dangerous than WuHan virus or Covid or whatever else you want to call this latest pox upon humanity.
I quote:
So far, 14,000 people have died and 250,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/1300-people-died-flu-year/story?id=67754182
Catfish
03-27-20, 04:43 PM
But can you eat that SPAM?
:haha:
It can be stodgy at times :D
Seriously, congrats :up:
Take care.
Onkel Neal
03-27-20, 05:35 PM
Well then chill out Chick! Like I said the numbers in your chart just do not compare. The regular flu, which you say you never had, remains far more dangerous than WuHan virus or Covid or whatever else you want to call this latest pox upon humanity.
I quote:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/1300-people-died-flu-year/story?id=67754182
Quoted for posterity. :salute:
I'm so sorry, sometimes I'm to hasty
I read August reply and I quoted him. Then I realized I should have read the article he had posted in his reply.
Manner I seems to have written wrong reply to August, so i deleted my reply.
Went back to play game....wait a minute...let me read August reply ones again.
My reply was correct after all. Why did I delete it ???
I had posted a reply to this statement
" Well then chill out Chick! Like I said the numbers in your chart just do not compare. The regular flu, which you say you never had, remains far more dangerous than WuHan virus or Covid or whatever else you want to call this latest pox upon humanity."
In my reply I wrote.
(From memory)
Did you take into consideration that there have been millions of Americans who had the flu, but stayed home and did not visit their local hospital or their doctor
And now I suddenly can't remember what I wrote.
Only something with
It is therefore impossible to give an exact percentage.
I'm sorry.
Markus
Skybird
03-27-20, 06:40 PM
People vary in the speed of their adaptation reaction, with some the process goes fast and others need a lot of more time. Its all natural.
But from a certain time consummation on, adapation reaction just turns into pathologic reality denial, nothing else than this. I have read several different articles by deniers by now, and all of them suffered from severe loaded terminology, logical fallacy and invalid comparisons, often also from a very seriously flawed understanding of statistics and math of exponential growth.
In other words it is these people themselves who are Chicken Littles, who whistle in the dark when walking alone in the forest, but who still accuse the others.
Classical projection.
I do not even care to argue with these people anymore, its hopeless. Reality will make them turn their heads at the right direction sooner or later, and if they resist to that too strongly, sooner or later their necks will get broken. At least they then die as happy deniers, that's at least something positive , I assume, if for nobody else than thes epeople themselves. Just where they are influential enough to make politics running their game, they turn into very murderous threats to mankind and their own people. And thats where they must be stopped.
Thats why we need a strict enforcement of compliance with measures fighting this outbreak. Threrat to life and health trumps perosnal indovodual freedoms. If the house burns, the firebrigade is allowed to kick in the door.
From minute 13 and some seconds on (the video dates March 25th)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XPiHx8RgBM
Before the timestamp 00:09, he mentions the news from Czech Republic that they are enforicng the wearing of face masks. Thats how it was ot be done, Germany! Not by weaseling around for weeks and telling the poublic that masks make no difference. Our own top man for Corona, Drosten, is a good man, but there he was completely on the wrong track.
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 08:32 PM
Texas and Louisiana are kind of odd neighbors
Texas has 1,731 confirmed cases to Louisiana's 2,746 confirmed cases
Texas has 23 deaths recorded while Louisiana has 119 deaths recorded
Louisiana is much smaller than Texas as you all know and has refused to blame the Mardi Gras
held in February for the covid-19 sickness in their state.
Mardi Gras is French for "Fat Tuesday" and is a religious holiday in Louisiana :yep:
Skybird
03-27-20, 09:20 PM
Louisiana is much smaller than Texas as you all know and has refused to blame the Mardi Gras
held in February for the covid-19 sickness in their state.
Reminds of thje spnaish failure to cancel their giant puppet festival alhtough they knew that they already had many Corvid cases.
-----
However, this showed the spirit that lights the candle:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52068520
Skybird
03-27-20, 09:33 PM
This German nurses expresses better inm her own words the reaosns why I yesterday or two days ago somewhat opposed the British applaude-from-balcony-news and said that this kind of thing is just cheap.
The Robert Koch Institute has adapted its recommendations for hospital staff: "In the future, medical staff will no longer have to be in quarantine after contact with COVID-19 patients and may work in the clinic or practice if there is an urgent need as long as no symptoms appear", said RKI President Lothar Wieler. Here, the 28-year-old nurse Nina Böhmer from Berlin tells you what worries her and why her thanksgiving help little.
[She says:]
Until recently I was invisible, hardly anyone spoke about my job. I am a nurse in a Berlin hospital. Now in the crisis, all of us nurses suddenly get said thank you. Ministers, celebrities and also patients. I am touched when I see that people gather on balconies in the evening and applaud for us. We are finally seen, are even called systemically important. And yet I feel left alone. I can't buy any of this.
It seems to get worse every day. First it was said that there was enough protective material and that politicians would order several million masks. Now we nurses should use the same mouthguard and our protective gowns for several patients. Other colleagues from all over Germany tell me that they even wash used protective clothing and hang them up to dry. That endangers us. Everywhere I see how instructions are sent, how to make a mouthguard yourself. It makes me angry that private individuals in particular are stocking up on protective equipment and there is none for us anymore. Especially when I think that patients and visitors probably stole our mouthguards.
Thanks for that.
Instead of preparing ourselves well for the crisis, we are now seeing everything that we have been working for suspended so far. The lower personnel limits no longer apply, but Jens Spahn has just introduced them. They should guarantee that we will not be understaffed and that we will close beds or wards if necessary so as not to endanger our health in the long term. In a crisis, it suddenly doesn't matter if one nurse is responsible for 40 patients alone.
Thanks for that too.
And now we should continue to work if we become infected with Sars-CoV-2, so if we ourselves get the virus and feel no symptoms. We no longer have to be in quarantine, we have to work as if nothing had happened. The Robert Koch Institute has been recommending it since this week. So, of all people who advocate blocking contacts and want to ensure that all infected stay at home. I don't want to be infected and have to work. I don't want to sleep on a cot in the hospital and have to care in a huge quarantine there. Especially not if there is not enough protective material. I don't worry much about myself, I don't want to be a danger to the elderly, to the seriously ill we treat, and to my colleagues.
Thanks again!
When I see the pictures from Spain, Italy, France and now also the USA, it worries me a lot. A message is circulating around me that a 34-year-old nurse from Lombardy is said to have committed suicide. It was tested positive and could no longer cope with the high work pressure and the fear of infecting others. I don't want us to have to deal with similar situations here.
It is still quiet, many speak of the calm before the storm. Operations have been canceled, unimportant treatments are being postponed. But when the storm comes the days, I fear that it will leave us hospital staff alone.
We can only hope that we will not be forgotten even after the crisis. Then the time has come to translate the thanksgiving into real improvements. We need better wages, more colleagues from abroad and the return of many nurses who have given up their jobs because of poor working conditions. We need hospitals and wards that are well equipped. Because even after the crisis, the time will be particularly intense for us. Then all the operations and treatments that have now been postponed are carried out. In addition to the emergencies, which always have to be dealt with immediately. Then we'll see what the thanksgiving is really worth.
https://www.zeit.de/arbeit/2020-03/krankenschwester-coronavirus-arbeitsbedingungen-infektion-schutz
A majority of hospitals in Germany now reports to be full. And the storm has not even reached us. I assume, just assume, that it is smaller houses that already are filled up, not the real big ones, because else I would wonder how the statistical numbers for ICU beds and case numbers could match. But that is just my reasoning, i could be totally wrong there. Some dozen patients from Italy, France and Spain have been transported to German hospitals, I assume they want to use the time until the shockwave hits Germany as well to study the desease and get used to what awaits staff and doctors in the nearing battle. In border regions to france, relations of both populations both sides of the border also are quite close, so it is help amongst neighbours.
Onkel Neal
03-27-20, 09:37 PM
Sky, I read that more than 50 doctors in Italy died due to complications from coronavirus; is that 50 in one day (Friday) or 50 from the last 8 weeks to today?
Skybird
03-27-20, 10:08 PM
Sky, I read that more than 50 doctors in Italy died due to complications from coronavirus; is that 50 in one day (Friday) or 50 from the last 8 weeks to today?
I read something like that as well today, somewhere, and understood it as that it is the number of dead doctors since the beginning. If it were just one day, it would be a desaster squared for the health system, no system could sustain daily losses of doctors at that speed.
Also, several dozen Catholic priest meanwhile have died in Italy as well.
Suicides also grow. Mind you: catholics - and suicides. The despair must be immense.
Buddahaid
03-27-20, 10:10 PM
Texas and Louisiana are kind of odd neighbors
Texas has 1,731 confirmed cases to Louisiana's 2,746 confirmed cases
Texas has 23 deaths recorded while Louisiana has 119 deaths recorded
Louisiana is much smaller than Texas as you all know and has refused to blame the Mardi Gras
held in February for the covid-19 sickness in their state.
Mardi Gras is French for "Fat Tuesday" and is a religious holiday in Louisiana :yep:
I was there for Mardi Gras. Attendance was lower than last year but that could also have been because the weather was questionable.
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 10:13 PM
Some dozen patients form italy, France and Spain have been transported to Germn hospoitals
I saw that in the news, but on local TV they showed the hospitals in Spain with patients sleeping in the hall ways on the other side of a warning line for hospital beds coming through and they were full. :oops:
Spain and Italy are a lot alike being very old, living quarters very close to each other and a bar (usually just wine and some food) on every corner.
Very easy to transfer the virus in those situations also did you hear that early on before China announced how severe the problem of the virus had become that they had direct flights from Wuhan to Italy something about the garment factories and the designers would travel directly to Italy before the travel was stopped. :yep:
Buddahaid
03-27-20, 10:22 PM
Well then chill out Chick! Like I said the numbers in your chart just do not compare. The regular flu, which you say you never had, remains far more dangerous than WuHan virus or Covid or whatever else you want to call this latest pox upon humanity.
I quote:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/1300-people-died-flu-year/story?id=67754182
Maybe so but you don't get situations like in Italy and Spain where the hospitals are being extremely overtaxed in such a short span of time with the seasonal flu viruses we normally deal with. I hope you're right but I seriously doubt it.
Mr Quatro
03-27-20, 10:47 PM
Maybe so but you don't get situations like in Italy and Spain where the hospitals are being extremely overtaxed in such a short span of time with the seasonal flu viruses we normally deal with. I hope you're right but I seriously doubt it.
That's' because covid-19 is ten times more contagious than Flu A and B :yep:
Well, it looks like the conspiracy theorist's assertions Covid-19 is the product of a mysterious Chinese biological warfare lab in Wuhan has bitten the dust. A study report has been published detailing findings by actual scientists (not politicians hoping to score points, or talk radio host hoping to boost ratings, or the guy at the end of the bar) and they have found, surprise, surprise, Covid-19 has a natural genesis and no evidence of human manipulation has been found:
Sorry, conspiracy theorists. Study concludes COVID-19 'is not a laboratory construct' --
https://news.yahoo.com/sorry-conspiracy-theorists-study-concludes-covid-19-not-090026698--abc-news-topstories.html
Here is a link to the actual report:
The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 --
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
This caught my eye since it flies in the face of the what the administration has said about their awareness and response to the Covid-19 crisis as it developed and seems to reinforce what some have said here as being "too little, too late":
Senator says White House turned down emergency coronavirus funding in early February --
https://news.yahoo.com/senator-says-white-house-turned-down-emergency-coronavirus-funding-in-early-february-003319950.html
Murphy's tweet dated 5 Feb 2020:
Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough.
Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now.
Its that old thing about "what was known, and when did they know it"...
Hopefully, whoever takes over next will learn from the gross errors of the current situation and the US will not have to needlessly suffer in the future due to bureaucratic bungling...
<O>
em2nought
03-28-20, 03:14 AM
Hopefully, whoever takes over next
I'm afraid you're gonna have to wait five more years. Maybe you'll find someone viable by that time. :har:
I'm afraid you're gonna have to wait five more years. Maybe you'll find someone viable by that time. :har:
Well, you're right. Lets see: we've got less than one year to suffer through Trump The Chump; then Biden will be a place holder for the next four years (he has already indicated he really doesn't want to serve more than one term); then, I guess you'll have to come up with better candidate than a washed-up reality TV star with bad ethics, bad grasp of honesty, bad judgement, bad hair, and overly gullible followers...
See if y'all can work on that in the next five years; maybe a Kardashian will be available... :har::har:
<O>
Why 'Death Rates' From Coronavirus Can Be Deceiving --
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/821958435/why-death-rates-from-coronavirus-can-be-deceiving
How The Novel Coronavirus And The Flu Are Alike ... And Different --
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/815408287/how-the-novel-coronavirus-and-the-flu-are-alike-and-different
...and for Skybird...
Why Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Far Lower Than In Other Countries --
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries
<O>
A lengthy, detailed interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci where he addresses myths and misinformation about Covid-19 (if you want to skip the overly hyper opening by the host, the interview, itself, begins about 2:00 into the video):
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anthony-fauci-coronavirus-lilly-singh_n_5e7effd1c5b6cb9dc1a0d481
<O>
Skybird
03-28-20, 06:50 AM
...and for Skybird...
Why Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Far Lower Than In Other Countries --
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820595489/why-germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-far-lower-than-in-other-countries
<O>
If standardizing it against population size, nobody in the western world tests as much and aggressively as Germany, it is policy here to follow the example set by the Koreans as best as we can, and they even want to double capacities at least, it was recently said. You cannot fight an enemy you do not see. Also, the Germans started to be alarmed earlier than anyone else in the West. But they also made decisions that made me shaking my head. For exmaple that until very late aircraft fro iran and China were let in, and passengers deboarded withut any controls at all. And plenty of time was additonally wasted in plltical processes. That way, quite some of the advanatges we had, had been traded away without compensation.
Its a federalist system over here.
However, the low death rate so far is giving reaso to wonder since long. explanations are tried, but nothign is certain. Maybe the German testing regime simply works well, like in Korea. Maybe the known cases caught by testing are mostly younger people with stronger resistence, and not as many old as in Italy. And we have many beds and ICUs. Nowhere else in the world, ICUs make up for such a big share of total hospital beds (population 83 million, 500,000 beds, of which 28,000 are ICUs, 75-80% of beds/ICUs usually in use at any time). Until here, maybe the German treatment maybe indeed still is better. Also, we have experienced good men in our virology league. What we desperately lack, are nurses. We need nurses, nurses, nurses, urgently. And masks and protective gear. Some houses are down to 4 days of reserves. And the wave has not even arrived here.
We do not know the reaosns of the low fatality rate for sure. Not yet.
On the Robert Koch Institute, its number updates on new cases suffer form the federalist nature of the German state. The numbers are delayed, they lag behind 2-5 days. We have I think over 400 counties (I am not certain on that number), who report their daily numbers hopefully on the sam eday (but not always) to the health mnistries of there federal states, and these mionstries report their numbers hopefully, but not always, o the sam eday to the federla health mnistry and the Robert Koch Institute.
Its a slow moving system. Federalism.
We now try to double the number of ICUs. With the Dräger Werke, we have the market leader for quality equipment and especially the all decisive control and steering software of such ventilators, they have doubled the produciton capacity in the past months already, and now build new factories to quadruple them another time. However, Mr. Dräger, the owner and leader of the company, said, that the globe'S total production of ventilators currently is around 100,000. That puts a sobering view to the demands of all nations to get ventilators by the high tens and hundreds of thousands. These cannot be produced just on assemby lines, but must be hand.-tuned and hand-.callibrated, and staff must get trained to use them correctly. As he put it: you cannot have a baby in one month by impregnating nine women (I liked that, mental note made for later reference).Also, many components depend on intact internatioton supply chains. if these break down, then that was it with the production of ventilators.
Well the news here gets bleaker, rec'd info on some of the smaller supermarkets they are almost out of food!:nope:
I also noticed people are not giving a toss about the spacing rule! :nope:
ikalugin
03-28-20, 07:08 AM
^^ :haha: +1 for cleverness :O:
So now nations are hoarding? Looks we will be back in the middle ages again, when international cooperation is all that really matters now :doh:
The ban on export of personal protection means went into effect in Russia on the 2nd of March. The exceptions are things like humanitarian aid. I wish I had something other than the GP-21U gasmask at home sometimes for the events like this.
Fortunately we have significant civil defence stocks of masks for the medics and other such services but those are not available to the general population. The military is building field hospitals ahead of the surge, we are deploying extra beds in normal hospitals etc.
Skybird
03-28-20, 07:13 AM
I was at Aldi yetserday, first time out after three days locked in. Wanted fresh fruits and vegetableNo hoarding anymore, but the spacing rules are not taken care of by anybody. But fewer customers around. Hoarding is exahsutive, they are all sleeping now, I guess.
I was the onyl one wearing a mask (I put it on ebfore entering shops, and off when being in the wild and on my bicycle again, the filter makes breathing more difficult). A woman dared to attack me over it. I gave a her very short, harsh and uncompromised crashcourse on the BS she was talking. Stupid woman. Man, i cannot stand stupid people these days anymore.No patience I have there, but a zero tolerance policy in place. Stupid stupids many people still are.
I also found that at ebay, simpel face maks (surgical maks) as well as FFP2 and FFP3 masks slowly become availabl again, and not with shipping from China, but from stocks in Germany. Sometimes the prices are criminal, sometimes they are within what you need to expect with market logics in palce and high demand/low supply. It pays off to look often and scan for acceptable offers, the flucutation in poffrings is very huge and quick-changing.
I wish we would follow the Czech exmaple. They got this one right. Legal obligation for anyone to wear somethign before his face when moving around int he publci space. Thats the way to go.
u crank
03-28-20, 07:14 AM
then Biden will be a place holder for the next four years (he has already indicated he really doesn't want to serve more than one term) ...
Have made a comment on this in US politics thread.
ikalugin
03-28-20, 07:18 AM
I was at Aldi yetserday, first time out after three day slcoked in. No hoarding anymore, but the spacing rules are not taken care of by anybody. But fewer customers around. Hoarding is exahsutive, they are all sleeping now, I guess.
I was the onyl one wearing a mask. A woman dared to attack me over it. I gave a her very short, harsh and uncompromised crashcourse on the BS she was talking. Stupid woman. Man, i cannot stand stupid people these days anymore.No patience I have there, but a zero tolerance policy in place. Stupid stupids many people still are.
Good to see no hoarding.
What did she say?
Sadly I only have a gasmask (which does have an A1B1E1K1HgSXP3D filter) and ran out of FFP2/3 halfmasks (only have medical masks and the like left).
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 07:22 AM
I was at Aldi yetserday,
My daughter was at our local Aldi yesterday as well and two things that struck her was the fact the two metre rule wasn't being adhered to and the shop staff handling the products weren't wearing PPE of any kind, not even gloves.
Skybird
03-28-20, 07:27 AM
Its slowing down over here. Merkel said this morning that currently the rate of infected doubles every 5.5 days. To avoid breaking the health system the rate must be brought down to a doubling every 10 days. In the beginning the rate was a doubling every 3 days.
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 07:27 AM
Frontline NHS staff in England will start being tested this weekend to see whether they have coronavirus.
Workers with symptoms or those who live with people who have symptoms will be checked - starting with hundreds of critical care doctors and nurses.
Tests for A&E staff, paramedics and GPs are expected to follow, and later social care staff will be tested.
The number of people who have died with the virus in the UK rose by 181 to 759 on Friday, with 14,543 confirmed cases.
Until now, only patients in hospital with flu-like symptoms were being routinely tested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52072568
Jimbuna
03-28-20, 07:29 AM
The city in China where the coronavirus pandemic began, Wuhan, has partially re-opened after more than two months of isolation.
Crowds of passengers were pictured arriving at Wuhan train station on Saturday.
People are being allowed to enter but not leave, according to reports.
Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province, saw more than 50,000 coronavirus cases. At least 3,000 people in Hubei died from the disease.
But numbers have fallen dramatically, according to China's figures. The state on Saturday reported 54 new cases emerging the previous day - which it said were all imported.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52075022
ikalugin
03-28-20, 07:32 AM
I plan to get some light P3 filters for my masks and use two of them for the ease of breathing because it would seem that there are no FFP2/3 masks in sale right now.
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