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Trump says the US will close the border with Canada to ‘non-essential’ traffic.
So, then,...
...no Canadians will be able to cross the border?...
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Catfish
03-19-20, 05:06 AM
So, then,...
...no Canadians will e able to cross the border?...
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If Canada declares war first I guess it will be ok by international law :hmmm:
Anyway the first question at the border is always "Occupation?"
And Canadians could just answer "Yes".
u crank
03-19-20, 05:19 AM
Ha ha. :haha:
This was actually a Canadian initiative .
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-trudeau-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic-border-1.5502192
On Tuesday afternoon, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland called U.S. Vice President Mike Pence with a proposal: could Canada and the United States agree to ban all non-essential travel between the two countries?
According to senior Canadian government sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, Pence responded positively to Freeland's suggestion but wanted to take the proposal back to American officials, including President Donald Trump. An hour later, Pence called Freeland back and gave the go-ahead for officials in both countries to begin working out the details.
Likewise here in the UK with the supermarket chains.
It is now being reported the set aside hours for seniors to buy essential and necessities before the ravenous hordes clean out the shelves has been expanded to also include pregnant women, those with disabilities, and those who have diagnosed compromised immunity conditions...
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If Canada declares war first I guess it will be ok by international law :hmmm:
Anyway the first question at the border is always "Occupation?"
And Canadians could just answer "Yes".
War it might be, but it will be a very polite war, which they will wage while apologizing profusely...
...and you didn't quite get that response to the question right; the answer would be "Yes, eh"...
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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. :yeah:
Back from my supermarket which is now two thirds empty! :o
So much for the promises from Supermarket chains, oh just to add its like that every where around here even the small local shops. Restriction on the number of the same item goods looks like is now a fact. People were cracking up and going mad at the shop staff.
Food riots on the way at this rate and toilet paper riots. :03: I have a good comment about the toilet paper and will post that in the other thread.
I was so fed up I coughed out loud and boy you should have seen the looks of...RAGE & FEAR all rolled into one. I smiled at them all. :)
I was hearing people say I read this and that on social media and you know the rot and rubbish and LIES LIES LIES these fools were fooling for.
Jimbuna
03-19-20, 07:23 AM
It is now being reported the set aside hours for seniors to buy essential and necessities before the ravenous hordes clean out the shelves has been expanded to also include pregnant women, those with disabilities, and those who have diagnosed compromised immunity conditions...
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Yes, that is correct :yep:
As the U.S. Blames China for the Coronavirus Pandemic, the Rest of the World Asks China for Help --
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-china-world-power/
The Coronavirus Could Reshape Global Order
China Is Maneuvering for International Leadership as the United States Falters --
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2020-03-18/coronavirus-could-reshape-global-order
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Jimbuna
03-19-20, 07:40 AM
I found out last night via FB of all places that my daughter was down to her last tin of baby milk and had been searching for the last five days for more without any success.
I rang her and said her mam and I would go to the local supermarket first thing in the morning and she played merry hell about us exposing ourselves in public.
Of all the contacts on FB one who was my wifes ex-apprentice over twenty years ago responded out of the blue an hour later stating she had sourced four tins from personal contacts she knew.
We arrived at the supermarket at 7.30am and I was initially surprised to see people exiting the supermarket with toilet rolls (the supermarket has a restriction of a maximum of three items of the same nature and I wholeheartedly support that position).
We took a trolley each and quickly realised we had just missed the exhaustion of TP stocks by a matter of minutes which was no real issue because between my daughters and our household we have sufficient for now.
We continued shopping and managed to get tinned food, frozen fish and fishfingers, soap, paracetamol, pizzas, coffee etc. etc.
Most importantly though, there was an abundant stock of the precious commodity (to us anyway) of baby milk so we promptly gathered three tins each meaning our granddaughter Lucia should now have enough milk to last until she is on solids.
It has been a good day thus far.
I found out last night via FB of all places that my daughter was down to her last tin of baby milk and had been searching for the last five days for more without any success.
I rang her and said her mam and I would go to the local supermarket first thing in the morning and she played merry hell about us exposing ourselves in public.
Of all the contacts on FB one who was my wifes ex-apprentice over twenty years ago responded out of the blue an hour later stating she had sourced four tins from personal contacts she knew.
We arrived at the supermarket at 7.30am and I was initially surprised to see people exiting the supermarket with toilet rolls (the supermarket has a restriction of a maximum of three items of the same nature and I wholeheartedly support that position).
We took a trolley each and quickly realised we had just missed the exhaustion of TP stocks by a matter of minutes which was no real issue because between my daughters and our household we have sufficient for now.
We continued shopping and managed to get tinned food, frozen fish and fishfingers, soap, paracetamol, pizzas, coffee etc. etc.
Most importantly though, there was an abundant stock of the precious commodity (to us anyway) of baby milk so we promptly gathered three tins each meaning our granddaughter Lucia should now have enough milk to last until she is on solids.
It has been a good day thus far.
Sounds like you made a good score on the baby milk... :up:
Here, locally, the availability is somewhat hit and miss. What is in short supply in one place can be in stock just a block or two over; there seems to be no rhyme or reason; I have found avoiding the big chains and box stores and, instead, going to the smaller, neighborhood places yields better results; also, the ethnic stores (here that would be Hispanic and Asian) can very often be a good source for the odd commodity. I am somewhat ironically fortunate since my recent health difficulties have instilled a need to stock up as much as possible on a regular basis; following the whatever 'bug' it was that laid me out for over a month, I replenished my stores and have kept them topped off since, so I can weather a fair period of reduced stocks in the markets...
Hope you and yours can continue to weather the times well...
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Skybird
03-19-20, 10:35 AM
WHO takes back its warning of Ibuprofen.
Jimbuna
03-19-20, 10:57 AM
Hope you and yours can continue to weather the times well...
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Likewise to you and yours also :salute:
Jimbuna
03-19-20, 10:59 AM
EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier tests positive for virus.
Mr Quatro
03-19-20, 11:02 AM
WHO takes back its warning of Ibuprofen.
Good I still have two packets left of (20) pills each :yep:
Skybird
03-19-20, 11:18 AM
Corona parties thrown by stupid retards may become the reason why a curfew gets enforced in Germany sooner than Merkel expected. There are still those dumbheads who think it is displaying their sociability so cool and relaxed when they hang around in the park with their clique, and who do not see how deeply anti-social they indeed are.
Crack down on these idots NOW.
Mr Quatro
03-19-20, 12:14 PM
After watching the breaking news this morning all I can gleam from the news is that we should "Print more money to throw at the problem"
But I say, "Print more toilet paper" to use on the problem :up:
After watching the breaking news this morning all I can gleam from the news is that we should "Print more money to throw at the problem"
But I say, "Print more toilet paper" to use on the problem :up:
YES. :yeah:
Catfish
03-19-20, 12:23 PM
Toilet paper and money.. you will soon use one in exchange of the other :hmmm:
What do we know and are we using our personal standpoints in our discussion of this Corona virus and the pandemic ?
The reason this question is some of my friends fully support what some of our Danish and Swedish newspaper have postet and they support what other have posted.
Do we have enough knowledge on health and medicin, so we as single person can say...no it's wrong/yes it's correct ?
Markus
u crank
03-19-20, 12:43 PM
Toilet paper and money.. you will soon use one in exchange of the other :hmmm:
I see a possiblity for a new single use product here. Working out the chance there may be a down side. :hmmm:
Catfish
03-19-20, 01:15 PM
I see a possiblity for a new single use product here. Working out the chance there may be a down side. :hmmm:
As said before, the success will be instantly at hand.
Onkel Neal
03-19-20, 01:24 PM
Toilet paper and money.. you will soon use one in exchange of the other :hmmm:
Man, ain't that truth. You just scored 10 out of 10 on predicting the future. :yep:
As the food runs out there is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRKafB6XB08
Skybird
03-19-20, 03:01 PM
Johnson said the UK could turn the course in 12 weeks, that is 84 days.
Lets do some math. There are two claims out there:
1. the replication speed of the virus is a doubling every 3 days,
2. and a multiplication by a factor of 10 every 12-13 days.
Lets assume there are already 1000 infections. Take this as a base number.
In case 1, a doubling every 3 days. Its then 2000 after 3 days, 4000 after 6 days, 8000 after 9 days, 16000 after 12 days, 32.000 after 15 days, 64000 after 18 days, 128K after 21, 256K after 24, 512k after 27, 1024K after 30, 2028K after 33, 4048K after 36, 8096 after 39, and now rounded: 16200K after 42, 32400K after 45, and 64400K after 48.
This does not mean than all these people are ill simultaneously, its the number of people who caught the infection, the average duration of the illness seems to be around 2-3 weeks, so the numbers get reduced again, people have immunity then and the virus finds it more dfifficult to spread at its former pace, so then the curve starts to flatten out after a certain time. Still. The shadow of big numbers and logarithmics should be obvious.
In case 2, 10x every 12 days, it looks like this: 10.000 in 12 days, 100K in 24 days, 1 million in 36 days, 10 million in 48 days. It runs slower, but still: it runs up and away. the same limitations to the pace of the virus reproduction rate apply as explained above.
Its just numbers gymnastics, I ignore some factors I know, and necessarily leave out factors that I certainly do not know of. But it helps to visualise what a fearsome foe we are up against.
Johnson'S 12 weeks claim may prove to become the longest 12 weeks of our lives. He spoke for the UK, but the math is not that much different for other countries.
Nobody mentions Africa that much. Culturally and regarding health system structures, they are not set up in any way to cope with this. I expect to see nothing else but apocalyptic numbers and pictures from there.
Eichhörnchen
03-19-20, 03:16 PM
I've had to conclude that the passing generation who knew how to co-operate and face a crisis with stoicism and decency have been followed by a different beed entirely. Not all, of course but very, very many... to see such selfishness everywhere now just astonishes me
And these people are often using their economic advantage to elbow others aside: huge cars in which to hoard their booty and wads of cash enabling them to buy up extra freezers in which to store the stuff. Yes, I got this today from a friend's wife who works at a local white goods store... all the freezers have suddenly sold out!
These are the kind of people who would push women and kids out of the lifeboats and it makes me ashamed to think they're my own countrymen
Skybird
03-19-20, 03:25 PM
I've had to conclude that the passing generation who knew how to co-operate and face a crisis with stoicism and decency have been followed by a different beed entirely. Not all, of course but very, very many... to see such selfishness everywhere now just astonishes me
And these people are often using their economic advantage to elbow others aside: huge cars in which to hoard their booty and wads of cash enabling them to buy up extra freezers in which to store the stuff. Yes, I got this today from a friend's wife who works at a local white goods store... all the freezers have suddenly sold out!
These are the kind of people who would push women and kids out of the lifeboats and it makes me ashamed to think they're my own countrymen
Its hunters in the jungle, and while we all have that in our genes and it is instinct driven, it is sharpened by cultural conditioning (because culture is an extension of our naturalistic origin, in the end: whether it be as a compensaioin for deficits in our nature, or an extension of it), which tells us somethign about our cultures we are so proud of, maybe.
But then there is also stories that are of the opposite quality. For exmaple I red today abiout a mother with a child whose shelkves and ridge were almost empty, and she was desparte and send an appeal while beign in tears via some social emdia - and shor time later foreign people had manged to get her flat filled up.
And then there are thiose who are willing to help, but do not think abiout how and thus do more harm than good. People with a social lfie that is very active wanti8ng to care for the elderly by doing shopping for them. But it is exactly ths ekind of people that should NOT approach the elderly,m becasue they have a much igher risk of carrying the vorus and not knowing it, due to their socially active lives.
IUn these times, the socially best bthing many of us can do is to not add to the workload of those who must and do and want to work the imortant work, anbd to stay in self isolation. Keep in contact via the many ways of communication modenr tehcnology has given us. For exmaple it really lights my mum's candle that we do not just talk on phone daily, but use Google Duo so that she can see me. It seems to be a minor thing only, but in fact it makes such a huge difference! Maybe not for yourself, if you are like that. But for the other.
P.S. The virus lives on plastic and steel for 3 days, so if you shop for the llederly, clean surfaces of boxes and glasses with a virus-killing fluid oir swipe before leavong thign son their doorstep, also clean the handles of the box you carry it in, and then tell them they also should clean it again. Smear infections are possble, and a risk that shgoud not be ignroed. That includes the surface of fruits and vegetable!!!!!! I do not understand why this is always not mentioned by nobody. Its not as if the skin of an apple has some anti-viral agens in it, no?!
Mr Quatro
03-19-20, 03:28 PM
If this is war :yep:
Then this is the first war that everyone had to stay home from and not go to work to support the troops. :hmmm:
In this war it is the medical staff's lives are on the line with over 2,600 cases of covid-19 in Italy being the health care workers. :o
Skybird
03-19-20, 03:36 PM
So many of the underpaid small jobs as well that got ignored before, anbd suddenly get praised while we find ourselves depending on them. In two year sor so, the medical side of this all may be under kind of control, and then we should force employers to stick to these cheap words of today and rais etheir saleries massively. A job that is essential, is essential. It does not matter whether you need a diploma for it or not, need to study for it or not. If the job is needed, its an essential job, period. if its not necessarily needed, then its not essential.
Anyhow, this is Munich, Thursday.
https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/59cbd16f-4455-474a-a602-cc1cb6b04849_w948_r1.77_fpx49_fpy53.jpg
How many idiots can you count? I believe I count over 50. We should collect them and hand them over to the labs as voluntaries for the vaccine tests.
Skybird
03-19-20, 04:10 PM
Reports say that Merkel and the minister presidents of the states want to discuss on Sunday on curfews. :doh:
:/\\!!
Mor cities today got sick of it and decided they do not want to wait that long and jumped off and ordered limited curfews. For a few days.
Its unbelievable. They take themselves all the time in the world.
Coronavirus: Minister says there 'isn't a shortage of food' because of COVID-19 pandemic
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-minister-says-there-isnt-a-shortage-of-food-because-of-covid-19-pandemic-11960178
BS, every shop around here has been picked clean apart from easter eggs and booze and that will be next as now bottled water has now been targetted by these bastards who panic buy. I say test the vaccine on them or shoot them my patience is now at a end.
Skybird
03-19-20, 04:17 PM
Two interesting projects you can be part of.
https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/covid-19-raceroom-temporarily-goes-100-free.14629/
Catfish
03-19-20, 04:20 PM
First, once more, you cannot kill a virus. It does not live. The virus is here to stay, and it will infect all humans in the long run. You cannot hide away from it, but it makes sense to slow down the spreading so the hospitals can cope - flatten the curve.
If those idiots im Munich will be found dead, at least their arses will be clean :D
Skybird
03-19-20, 04:29 PM
These worthless babblers in berlin seem to have eaten up all time advantages that we had, The infection rate grows faster in germany now than in Italy at the same timepoint in the cycle. I just read it, I am smoking and fuming.
AND STILL THEY DUCK AWAY FROM MAKING WHAT THEY FEAR ARE UNPOPULAR DECISONS. While already two day ago a poll said over 70% want them to order curfew.
Worthless junk they are. They have given all the advantages we had - in theory at least - away. For babbling, moralising, appealing, lecturing, appealing, playing around, and then babbling more, and babbling more, and more, and more babbling.
Cowards, sitting in a hole in the ground, hoping for something happenign that frees them from the need to decide. :arrgh!:
Onkel Neal
03-19-20, 04:34 PM
I've had to conclude that the passing generation who knew how to co-operate and face a crisis with stoicism and decency have been followed by a different beed entirely. Not all, of course but very, very many... to see such selfishness everywhere now just astonishes me
And these people are often using their economic advantage to elbow others aside: huge cars in which to hoard their booty and wads of cash enabling them to buy up extra freezers in which to store the stuff. Yes, I got this today from a friend's wife who works at a local white goods store... all the freezers have suddenly sold out!
These are the kind of people who would push women and kids out of the lifeboats and it makes me ashamed to think they're my own countrymen
Maybe they bought the extra freezers to store food for their women and kids.
Catfish
03-19-20, 04:40 PM
Maybe they bought the extra freezers to store food for their women and kids.
Taking it away from others with their women and kids.
While it all would be no problem if they just would not hoard. Human stupidity.
Save Mankind, conserve toilet paper. Use just one square per movement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKsFUiS8QPM
Skybird
03-19-20, 05:14 PM
Focus magazine:
Belgian scientists report they found antibodies to Corvid-19 - in Lamas.
If true, this could be a breakthrough.
Read in some Danish news paper what type of people who had died in Italy from Corona.
Mostly elders with some underlying disease and most of them was elder than 60-something and most of them was men.
Reading this I came to the conclusion that i belong to the medium high risk group.
Male
Middle of the 50's
Have high blood pressure
and
I smoke.
Markus
Onkel Neal
03-19-20, 06:09 PM
Taking it away from others with their women and kids.
While it all would be no problem if they just would not hoard. Human stupidity.
See, I don't understand that. How do you know? Is it automatically assumed that if some people buy appliances they are stopping other people from buying them?
Texas grocery store HEB says don't panic, enough for everybody.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=A7hCw5Q8qGw&feature=emb_logo
Neal, hoarding puts a strain on the supply chain when it really doesn't need it. :o
Cough and cold OTC meds, I could see that. Lysol and bleach, I could see that as well but the logic does start to fall apart. TP? You gotta be kidding me?? :k_confused:
Freezers? I kinda get it if you're into "bunker mentality" but they also put a strain on the power grid and if the power grid goes down, the new freezer stops working and all those pizzas go bad. :doh:
Subnuts
03-19-20, 07:35 PM
I work at a supermarket, and tonight, after an entire week of coronavirus panic, I FINALLY managed to snag a four-pack of generic store brand toilet paper.
A whole WEEK!:k_confused:
em2nought
03-19-20, 08:15 PM
So who decides how many of what each person is allowed to spend their own money on? Maybe the hoarders can be identified with little six pointed stars on their jackets. :hmmm:
Onkel Neal
03-19-20, 08:28 PM
Neal, hoarding puts a strain on the supply chain when it really doesn't need it. :o
Cough and cold OTC meds, I could see that. Lysol and bleach, I could see that as well but the logic does start to fall apart. TP? You gotta be kidding me?? :k_confused:
Freezers? I kinda get it if you're into "bunker mentality" but they also put a strain on the power grid and if the power grid goes down, the new freezer stops working and all those pizzas go bad. :doh:
Well, yes, I know what a hoarder is , he's someone who has more than he needs when I don't.
Freezers. They were going to be plugged into the power grid one day, I imagine.
Ok, nevermind.
So who decides how many of what each person is allowed to spend their own money on?
The town square and the angry mob with the pitch forks. :O:
There are folks who assume that having "more" makes it better. This isn't a problem in normal circumstances. Doing the same thing when everyone else is making sacrifices is going to raise some hackles.
Freezers. They were going to be plugged into the power grid one day, I imagine.
Plugging in a new one when your old one conks out isn't the issue. Plugging in twelve of them and taking down the power on your block, is. :03:
Mr Quatro
03-19-20, 09:25 PM
I work at a supermarket, and tonight, after an entire week of coronavirus panic, I FINALLY managed to snag a four-pack of generic store brand toilet paper.
A whole WEEK!:k_confused:
Wow! Tell us more subnuts do your co-workers wear mask yet?
Onkel Neal
03-19-20, 09:43 PM
Plugging in a new one when your old one conks out isn't the issue. Plugging in twelve of them and taking down the power on your block, is. :03:
Let me know when that happens, please. :O:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=98&v=XO6FW1aJkTw&feature=emb_logo
Let me know when that happens, please. :O:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=98&v=XO6FW1aJkTw&feature=emb_logo
Great, I just wasted a bunch of time on some PM's when I could just post a flipping vid. :haha::salute:
Preliminary studies in China suggest that blood group is a factor in how the COVID-19 affects population.
"A" seems to be the most affected, with increased risk of complications and need for extra care.
"0" is the less affected by the virus.
The proportion of blood group A and O in COVID-19 patients were significantly higher and lower, respectively, than that in normal people (both P < 0.001). Similar ABO distribution pattern was observed in 398 patients from another two hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen. Meta-analyses on the pooled data showed that blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 (odds ratio-OR, 1.20; 95% confidence interval-CI 1.02~1.43, P = 0.02) compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease (OR, 0.67; 95% CI 0.60~0.75, P < 0.001) compared with non-O blood groups
Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1
em2nought
03-20-20, 05:35 AM
We're an odd society. We'll ruin ourselves in an attempt to keep great aunt Gertrude (whom we never visit) alive and collecting social security for a few more years at least. In the meantime we're tossing babies out with the bath water, and talking about aborting them after they've been born. Strange times we live in. :hmmm:
Preliminary studies in China suggest that blood group is a factor in how the COVID-19 affects population.
"A" seems to be the most affected, with increased risk of complications and need for extra care.
"0" is the less affected by the virus.
Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1
Too much speculation BS and lies going around, yes this maybe fact but what is needed is confirmed 100% fact.
Platapus
03-20-20, 06:12 AM
Here is a really nice article on the COVID19 and the SARS COV-2 virus written by a person who has a Ph.D. in microbiology.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/?comments=1&start=40
Too much speculation BS and lies going around, yes this maybe fact but what is needed is confirmed 100% fact.
Well it's a medical paper showing plain numbers, i.e. facts translated into stats. The % of A-blood group people affected in hospital with COVID-19 is objectively higher than that in the population and the opposite happens with the 0-group people. This also seems to happen in the case of pancreatic cancer, A & B blood group people are statistically more affected (Up to 70% more likely). I know because my father in law died from that cancer and was A , we were told about that research back then and you can find it in scientific papers. Then in turn 0-blood group people are more sensitive to other diseases, of course. Given the number of infected people in Wuhan, the study has enough cases to be significant and not mere coincidence.
It is a statistic fact then, now it's up to the scientists to find the cause and see if it opens another door to help combating the disease.
Well it's a medical paper showing plain numbers, i.e. facts translated into stats. The % of A-blood group people affected in hospital with COVID-19 is objectively higher than that in the population and the opposite happens with the 0-group people. This also seems to happen in the case of pancreatic cancer, A & B blood group people are statistically more affected (Up to 70% more likely). I know because my father in law died from that cancer and was A , we were told about that research back then and you can find it in scientific papers. Then in turn 0-blood group people are more sensitive to other diseases, of course. Given the number of infected people in Wuhan, the study has enough cases to be significant and not mere coincidence.
It is a statistic fact then, now it's up to the scientists to find the cause and see if it opens another door to help combating the disease.
As a old scenic I have witness these sorts of things saying..yes yes yes yes, oh wait errr we may have said yes when we should have said no. I want it 100% from many world wide experts. Don't get me wrong but if this is indeed something then yes good. :)
Meanwhile panic buyers are now stocking up on bottled water as they stake out supermarkets sleeping in their cars over night already to kick down the doors sorry that is to come may be next week, in the mean time thump the doors to get in! Yes there is a plague sweeping the UK its called the madness selfish screw you plague. :nope:
Catfish
03-20-20, 07:10 AM
^ Can you drink the water that comes out of the water tap?
Water here is potable. It is not distilled water nor "mineral" water, but perfectly suited to drink.
We also have a well in the garden, but the water is quite iron-rich. Still potable though. But only an electric pump, need to get a manual one for backup maybe.
^ Can you drink the water that comes out of the water tap?
YES. :03:
Please don't ask me why they are panic buying bottled water as I am not a panic buyer I can not say what goes though their minds. :doh:
Jimbuna
03-20-20, 07:37 AM
This says it all for me :nope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzdRs9LPj2M
Jimbuna
03-20-20, 07:41 AM
A man has been arrested for allegedly failing to self-isolate after arriving on the Isle of Man amid the coronavirus pandemic.
The island has passed emergency legislation requiring new arrivals to quarantine themselves for 14 days.
People who break the law could face a fine of up to £10,000 or three months in prison, the chief minister has said.
The 26-year-old man is thought to be the first person held in the British Isles for breaching quarantine rules.
He is "in a specially cleaned" area at Isle of Man Constabulary's headquarters in Douglas "designated for those who should be self-isolating".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-51974140
Probably the first of a great many more in the future.
This says it all for me :nope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzdRs9LPj2M
ALL TOO TRUE.
That should be screened 24/7 in every food shop in the UK.
I will stop there as you guys know my view and I don't want to have a another major rant on here.
We should all pray for everyone on the front line who are putting themselves at greater risk!
Jimbuna
03-20-20, 07:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDvO4clZ6c0
Skybird
03-20-20, 07:59 AM
Civilization is a very thin layer of paint only, barely covering the true nature of man underneath. Said already Sigmund Freud.
In two or three years from now on, maybe we will have started to realise that shifting of before oh so preicous bogus priorities in assessing what life is or should be about, though I am a bit sceptical on that.
On a positive sidenote, this desaster also has caused som good things. No more Greta on TV. No more Friday for Future fools yelling stupid slogans in the streets.
Wir werden alle wieder mal eingenordet. Was about time.
Coronavirus: Social distancing needs to be in place for most of a year, say government advisers
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-social-distancing-needs-to-be-in-place-for-most-of-a-year-say-government-advisers-11960920
If people do not adjust then we may as well drop the bomb now and get it over with. Yes that is very extreme but after two weeks of madness and no sign of a let up makes me wonder.
On a positive sidenote, this desaster also has caused som good things. No more Greta on TV. No more Friday for Future fools yelling stupid slogans in the streets.
Wir werden alle wieder mal eingenordet. Was about time.
...and a lot less pollution! Giving Mother Nature a little brake :03:
Jimbuna
03-20-20, 09:47 AM
Social distancing would be needed for "at least half of the year" to stop intensive care units being overwhelmed, according to the government's scientific advisers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51977802
A thought
Experts and people in general say we are heading towards an economical meltdown when this pandemic is over.
An all over the world meltdown in the economy-makes me wonder
Edit
And food shortage - as some of you have mentioned.
End edit
How near will we be a huge war-Not a world war, but a war between several countries ?
(I can't get it right-this question)
Markus
Catfish
03-20-20, 11:16 AM
^ i guess China and Russia will take their chances, maybe not with an all-out open war. But let's not forget that they already try to undermine their felt competitors by this hidden cyberwar. Yes, the US also does it.. as all the others.
As your Einstein said, "I do not know how world war three will be fought, but the fourth will be fought with stones and clubs".
If anyone tries to do that, "humanity" has not deserved better. Instead of cooperation and building together they all run back in their holes and build up their national military. Totally crazy.
^ i guess China and Russia will take their chances, maybe not with an all-out open war. But let's not forget that they already try to undermine their felt competitors by this hidden cyberwar. Yes, the US also does it.. as all the others.
As your Einstein said, "I do not know how world war three will be fought, but the fourth will be fought with stones and clubs".
If anyone tries to do that, "humanity" has not deserved better. Instead of cooperation and building together they all run back in their holes and build up their national military. Totally crazy.
Was it yesterday or day before yesterday, where one of our news program had an issue about the situation between Syria and Iraq.
If these reporters are right then we are on the brink of ful scale war between these two countries(this of course is an another discussion in another thread)
Then there is the situation between Greece and Turkey.
I was more wondering if we, us here in the industrial world are, due to what's await us is heading towards war ?
I hope not.
Markus
Skybird
03-20-20, 12:02 PM
A thought
Experts and people in general say we are heading towards an economical meltdown when this pandemic is over.
An all over the world meltdown in the economy-makes me wonder
Edit
And food shortage - as some of you have mentioned.
End edit
How near will we be a huge war-Not a world war, but a war between several countries ?
(I can't get it right-this question)
Markus
We lived until here aleady ion a post-war era, where wars that were fought,m were not tradtionally and openly fouht anymore, but by proxies, and hidden means.
Mind you, this virus most liely is achinese bio-weapon that escaped from the laboratory of the Chinese military. Currenty, in face of the calamities ahead, it doe snot even matter whetehre the relase was accidnetla, cirminalo, or intentional. Poihnt is to see this: China can endure and digest the lsosses easier than all tohers, and it enjoys huge materila and prestige profits and merciessly poushes intot he many oipen holes and gaps now opeing int hwe West'S defence and ridiculous dependecy. For China, all this will have in the end and when being seen relative more a positive than negative total balance. The West will be financially most exposed. Businesses will be smokign ruins. Social structuires in civil societies will be shakledn,and will turn criticla even mrtoe due to the widneign gap b etwene haves and have-nots as a result of thios desaster.
China is the winner in all this. It ha slosses, yes. The difference is: it cna cointro,a nd digest them easier than the opther scan digest theirs.
China already uses the opporuntity to widen its deep drives into Europe, by now using the opportunity to launch a symoathy offensive and sending "free" help. There will be prices for said help later on - polticlöa costs. Beachead ins Euroope for Chiense inflouence taking. Chances for Chinese takeover of businesses.
All this is why I earlier said I give it 5-15% probability that this indeed was an inetntional act of war, a Chinese first strike attack. And I refuse to rule this out completely. It is supicious how many advantages they gain from all this, in a time when a Trumpian America mounted pressure on them.
I do n ot say it is this way, an attack. I only say I give it a certain probability, beside the probability of it all having been an accident (not the first one in their bio labs).
I see them in the obligaiton to now send aid and deliver desperately needed medica goods and items. They are the cause of all this mess. I do not see the need to allow thme making a propoapüabgnda show at Itlaian airports of it, or to be oh so thankful for the rescuers that before have kicked us all into the abyss. Chiona never was to be trusted, and we should never have helped it to rise, to become strong and technologically competent. But we did, for shortsighted stupid reasons and naive dreams. And now we are where we are. Enjoy.
I am talking about the state and the political actor and entity that China is, not about the individual Chinese indvidual that I may meet. The individual must be seen - individually. Even if that is a concept that China finds hard to wrap its totalitarian mind around.
Coronavirus: PM orders pubs, restaurants and gyms to close across the UK
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pm-orders-pubs-restaurants-and-gyms-to-close-across-the-uk-11961064
I am not surprised.
Still to little to late.
STAND BY BOOZE WILL NOW BE STRIPPED OFF THE SHELF'S.
First comment to Skybird's reply to me.
Could there be a change in balance of power, after a economical meltdown ?
Where this balance tip over to the east ?
What would happen if USA is downgrading from being the 1 super power to a second/third place and Europe is downgrading and are will only be a group of European countries ?
If China takes over the European interests in Africa and the Middle East(yes they have been doing this for years now-slowly taking more and more of the European interest in Africa)
What will Europe do ?
Back to this corona and the death toll.
Some of my friends on FB mentioned the different between this Corona and our ordinary Flu. They said, as I have before, people get killed from Flu too.
So I ask them a question which they can't give an exact answer to. It's only the Italian health authorities who can.
From the start when the first Italian got this Corona and until now, about 4000 have died from this virus- which mean from 31 of January and until now 20 of March)
So did there die as many per month when their flu season was at highest or most deadly in modern time as it have now the last two month with this Corona virus.
Edit
Made a search and found this page.
We estimated excess deaths of 7,027, 20,259, 15,801 and 24,981 attributable to influenza epidemics in the 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17, respectively, using the Goldstein index. The average annual mortality excess rate per 100,000 ranged from 11.6 to 41.2 with most of the influenza-associated deaths per year registered among the elderly.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
End Edit
Markus
All this is why I earlier said I give it 5-15% probability that this indeed was an inetntional act of war, a Chinese first strike attack. And I refuse to rule this out completely. It is supicious how many advantages they gain from all this, in a time when a Trumpian America mounted pressure on them.
And why would they start that in their own country so that everybody knows where it comes from?
If what you say was the case, why not infect other countries easily since many people are asymptomatic? For example, want to damage the US, infect Mexico. With this illness it's as easy liberating the virus in sprayed form by some agents in any crowded place and in Mexico there are thousands. Everybody would blame Mexico instead of China and the US would be infected in less than a week.
Conspiracy theories are never to be discarded, but this one seems to have a weak base.
That said, we MUST make China pay for this later, this is unacceptable the second time in 10 years and third in 60 that we get this from them.
Mr Quatro
03-20-20, 01:17 PM
Preliminary studies in China suggest that blood group is a factor in how the COVID-19 affects population.
"A" seems to be the most affected, with increased risk of complications and need for extra care.
"0" is the less affected by the virus.
Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1
Too much speculation BS and lies going around, yes this maybe fact but what is needed is confirmed 100% fact.
Well it's a medical paper showing plain numbers, i.e. facts translated into stats. The % of A-blood group people affected in hospital with COVID-19 is objectively higher than that in the population and the opposite happens with the 0-group people. This also seems to happen in the case of pancreatic cancer, A & B blood group people are statistically more affected (Up to 70% more likely). I know because my father in law died from that cancer and was A , we were told about that research back then and you can find it in scientific papers. Then in turn 0-blood group people are more sensitive to other diseases, of course. Given the number of infected people in Wuhan, the study has enough cases to be significant and not mere coincidence.
It is a statistic fact then, now it's up to the scientists to find the cause and see if it opens another door to help combating the disease.
Remember also that type 'A' is the most common type of blood with 'O' being the most rare type of blood so of course Covid-19 would affect type'A' more than it would'O' type blood.
My father was type 'O' and my mother was type 'A' and I am type 'A' go figure :yep:
Remember also that type 'A' is the most common type of blood with 'O' being the most rare type of blood so of course Covid-19 would affect type'A' more than it would'O' type blood.
My father was type 'O' and my mother was type 'A' and I am type 'A' go figure :yep:
Am I reading that wrong?
O, Common
A and B next not sure of the order
AB, rare.
And that is without the plus and minors in the mix.
EDIT
Just looked it up on the NHS site..
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/blood-groups/
Eichhörnchen
03-20-20, 01:32 PM
Have the scumbags been stealing hand sanitiser & bog rolls from hospital toilets in countries other than the UK?
Have the scumbags been stealing hand sanitiser & bog rolls from hospital toilets in countries other than the UK?
Is that true Eich?
If so time for Marshal Law.
Mr Quatro
03-20-20, 01:51 PM
Am I reading that wrong?
O, Common
A and B next not sure of the order
AB, rare.
And that is without the plus and minors in the mix.
EDIT
Just looked it up on the NHS site..
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/blood-groups/
So sorry I just assumed that 'A' was common due to my father was 'O' negative which is rare, but you at least cared to be right. Sorry about that from my memory I quoted, but back to Covid-19.
U.S. airports are expected to lose $13.9 billion in 2020 -- up from an initial estimate of $8.7 billion -- due to the sharp drop-off in air travel amid the COVID-19 outbreak, according to the Airports Council International
I don't understand all of these big corporations complaining about losing money ... where is the money? It's still in the pockets of the customers they use to have that is now being used for food and rent. The money is still there it's just that it is in different hands, plus the credit cards are not being used to fly with so that is a savings to the general population too.
I know I know I hear the cries of the unemployed too, but still the money is just not in the airlines pockets anymore. :yep:
Remember also that type 'A' is the most common type of blood with 'O' being the most rare type of blood so of course Covid-19 would affect type'A' more than it would'O' type blood.
Mate read the article, that was already taken into account. The % of people with COVID-19 and A-group is higher than the % of people with A-Group in the TOTAL population of the area. And the opposite with group 0.
Eichhörnchen
03-20-20, 02:18 PM
Is that true Eich?
Afraid so, mate:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-hand-sanitisers-hospital-uk-nhs-a9402831.html
Rockstar
03-20-20, 02:24 PM
Have the scumbags been stealing hand sanitiser & bog rolls from hospital toilets in countries other than the UK?
GREENSBORO, N.C. (AP) - With toilet paper flying off the shelves, a North Carolina truck diver caused a stir when he was pulled over hauling 18,000 pounds of bathroom products in a stolen trailer.
The Guilford County Sheriff’s Office issued a news release saying that deputies on Wednesday spotted the driver of an 18-wheeler and determined the trailer was stolen. They followed him to a warehouse off the interstate and discovered that the driver was hauling 18,000 pounds of commercial bathroom paper products, according to the release.
Capt. Daryl Loftis said by phone that the cargo included a mixture of paper towels, toilet paper and other commercial products.
https://www.wect.com/2020/03/20/deputies-pull-over-stolen-trailer-full-toilet-paper-guildford-co/
Afraid so, mate:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-hand-sanitisers-hospital-uk-nhs-a9402831.html
Words fail me...:nope::nope::nope:
Mr Quatro
03-20-20, 03:38 PM
See why we need to be more sober :o
https://apnews.com/52f7fc77cce85060ad1cf73297b7cd45
The World Health Organization noted the epidemic’s dramatic speed, pointing out that it took more than three months
to reach the first 100,000 confirmed cases but only 12 days to reach the next 100,000.
Have the scumbags been stealing hand sanitiser & bog rolls from hospital toilets in countries other than the UK?
You bet: https://www.lasprovincias.es/sucesos/detenida-robar-caja-20200320134417-nt.html
^ Add Denmark and Sweden to the group of countries where thieves have stolen important things from the local hospital.
On a positive note.
Heard on the news earlier today, the police in(did not get which Danish town it was)had caught to young men, age 17 and 18 for having stolen 7 bottle of hand sanitize from some hospital.
Markus
We might survive this thing in spite of ourselves. :yeah:
Buddahaid
03-20-20, 05:59 PM
Have the scumbags been stealing hand sanitiser & bog rolls from hospital toilets in countries other than the UK?
Yes. They call Code Brown when discovered.....:arrgh!:
We fear what the future may bring us.
I think it can be boiled down to one thing.
The fear that we might lose/changes in our personal comfort sphere.
We all have a comfort sphere/zone and when something is about to happen which may change or remove this sphere, makes us unhappy(not the correct word I had plan to use)
Markus
Skybird
03-20-20, 07:14 PM
Germany has wasted its chance. The president of the German CDC (RKI) today in his daily briefing sounded and looked extremely depressed and I thought he could brwka into tears any moment. The sicneitifxc hief advisor of the giovenrment and chef of the virology depoarzment at the Berlin Charité was anythign but calm and showed signs of extremnely deep worries.
Case number accelerated so that now they rise faster than in Italy at its time. Germany and Europoe seem to ahzve learned nothign from t he itlaian case, nor form south Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and China. It is a scandal. Its of course just a question of time until even the German capacities get overwhelmed. And then the death numbers, so far surprisingly low in Germany, will explode. I went to the baker this midday, 200 meters. In the time back and forthk I saw three ambulances racing by, and suspiciousoly they did not switch on sirens at the busy crossroad, only used their blue flashing alarm lights. I have the suspicion the population should not get unsettled. Not heard - not known.
They messed it up. They carelessly threw it out of the window. Merkel was allowed to haunt the scene like a ghost for too long. In fact, she is disempowered, I think others have taken command in a desperate attempt to compensate what she has ruined with her endless waiting and waiting and waiting to not need to decide in advance but to learn what the people's sentiments were so that she could just follow that and earn the sympathy reward for doing so. She has killed Germany since one and half decade metaphorically, and now she will do it literally. It spring sinto the eyes that she has nothign to say and others now command the press conferences, especially Söder from Bavarian CSU.
We are running out of test tubes, and we have not sufficient suits and ventilators and nurses. More and more hoppistals report criticla conditions. In Rheinland-Pfalz, the polcie yesterday again had to crack down on over 60 corona parties by renitent imbiciles. Merkel weighs her heavy head, and considers options.
Skybird
03-20-20, 08:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIvGIukZhk
Herd immunity needed: estimated 80%. Italy's status in that that: 0.8% They have run 1% of the race distance. OMG.
Economically this starts to look equal to cracking a planet open and down to its inner core.
Skybird
03-20-20, 08:35 PM
We might survive this thing in spite of ourselves. :yeah:
We will survive as a species, many will n ot even be physically harmed too much. But the old civilization we lived in, is gone. No economy can digest and survive this. I cannot imgaine, not for being offered a ton of gold, that the economy and money system can survive this. This is a game changing event. Its beyond what my brain can compute. I feel completely helpless and naked when thinking of the time after Corona.
And maybe, if the chance is used wisely and not the same scum is allowed to form the new world that ruined the old one, it is not even a bad thing that the old ways have been brought to an end. They were hopelessly corrupted anyway. Unfortunately, history does not provide reasons to be optimistic for that man will learn from his mistakes, even more so since the overpopulation still will exist after this. I think the same mistakes will be entered next round and the bsaame sort of crooked characters will be trusted once again, simply that.
But then, lets be realistic, I also have a chance that I simply will not survive this all. Absolutely possible, and realistic. Not certain, not the most probable outcome, but absolutely possible. I give myself a 3:1 chance that I make it through.
We will survive as a species, many will n ot even be physically harmed too much. But the old civilization we lived in, is gone. No economy can digest and survive this. I cannot imgaine, not for being offered a ton of gold, that the economy and money system can survive this. This is a game changing event. Its beyond what my brain can compute. I feel completely helpless and naked when thinking of the time after Corona.
And maybe, if the chance is used wisely and not the same scum is allowed to form the new world that ruined the old one, it is not even a bad thing that the old ways have been brought to an end. They were hopelessly corrupted anyway. Unfortunately, history does not provide reasons to be optimistic for that man will learn from his mistakes, even more so since the overpopulation still will exist after this. I think the same mistakes will be entered next round and the bsaame sort of crooked characters will be trusted once again, simply that.
But then, lets be realistic, I also have a chance that I simply will not survive this all. Absolutely possible, and realistic. Not certain, not the most probable outcome, but absolutely possible. I give myself a 3:1 chance that I make it through.
Quoted for later. There's a 3:1 chance it'll be a hoot.
Buddahaid
03-20-20, 09:29 PM
I'm pretty sure we will get through this with some bruises and broken arms, but we will move on without any more doomsday death wishes than the Friday freak out clubbers have. While I detest much of humanity I also know it will shrug this off as we have done before several times.
Buddahaid
03-20-20, 11:11 PM
Is this a "Let them eat cake." moment?
Separately, an investigation by the Daily Beast found Mrs Loeffler, who sits on the Senate Health Committee, and her husband sold millions of dollars in stocks, beginning on 24 January, the day her panel received a private briefing on the coronavirus from top US public health officials.
In the weeks after the sale, she sought to downplay the virus’ impact on the economy and public health in a series of tweets.
“Democrats have dangerously and intentionally misled the American people on #Coronavirus readiness,” she tweeted on 28 February.
“Here’s the truth: @realDonaldTrump & his administration are doing a great job working to keep Americans healthy & safe.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51976484
A number of stores here in the LA area have seen an uptick in people trying to return items they had bought in bulk; the local news reports don't state a solid reason for the sudden turn around; the store have initiated a "No Return" policy, pretty much leaving the bulk hoarders with no place to go...
You see, it seems the local authorities have been enforcing CA State laws against price-gouging during declared emergencies and are making arrests; according to a newsradio report I heard, LEOs are responding to online offers to sell scarce items at way too high proies and, once they have made an in person trade of cash for commodity, the sellers are arrested...
It is interesting to note the sudden rush to return bulk items occurred the day after the news of the price-gouginng stings broke in the local media; quite a coincidence, no?...
Undercover price-gouging investigation leads to eight arrests during coronavirus pandemic --
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/coronavirus-price-gouging-arrest-fallbrook/509-488eb84f-c622-4c95-99ba-f766102ead2c
Is price gouging happening in your area? California AG urges people to file complaints --
https://www.desertsun.com/story/money/business/2020/03/20/coronavirus-california-price-gouging-reports-emerge-during-pandemic/2881538001/
<O>
Excellent news, I hope the Australian government has the intelligence to enforce that over here! :yep:
This will mostly ensure the economy returns to normal. :yeah:
President Trump, please take over Australia. :D
Eichhörnchen
03-21-20, 02:57 AM
I don't know that price-gouging is even illegal here... all I can say is it should be
Excellent news, I hope the Australian government has the intelligence to enforce that over here! :yep:
This will mostly ensure the economy returns to normal. :yeah:
President Trump, please take over Australia. :D
Trump has nothing to do with the crackdown and, as far as I know, there are no Federal anti-gouging laws; the State of California has long had anti-gouging laws due to the several natural and man-made disasters like earthquakes, fires, riots, etc.; in addition to the State laws, counties and cities have their laws and regs to strengthen or more define the scope of enforcement. When we had the 1994 Northridge quake and power and facilities were nonexistent or extremely scarce, price-gouging was a real problem and the laws were really tightened up afterwards; the people who were or will be arrested are facing some very serious consequences because this ain't just a traffic ticket; I wouldn't mind being on a jury hearing one of their cases...
As far as Trump taking over Australia, you're welcome to have him; just remember: we have a very strict "No Returns" policy...
<O>
"Where's my gun they will be waking up soon" :eek:
Forced to go out early on a scavenger hunt up the town and it was a sight for sore eyes hardly anyone about. I have been out early many times before and the town would be half full but not today, only two shops and a take away were open every where else closed.
Even my GP's closed thank you very much how am I to get hold of my repeat subscription break in and then break in to the pharmacy where I picked it up and leave a note sorry about the mess!
Some good news manage to pick up a couple of boxes of pain killers for my mother who now lives off them as her Back is worn out. And for me gold dust a 9 pack of toilet rolls that were flying off the shelf's faster than the shop staff putting them on. So I'm standing down from Yellow Alert to Green Alert on the toilet roll side.
Curious that the pharmacies are closed over there; here, there is a list of "essential" services and commercial activities that are exempt from the shutdown among which are pharmacies, hardware stores, takeout (no dining in) food, and, even, medicinal pot stores; public transit is still running though, obviously, with highly reduced ridership, with modified service...
Oddly, with 11,000 employees, a very large portion of whom are exposed to public contact, the transit services have reported no employees testing positive; the transit services have also placed hand sanitizer stations in all the major transit hubs and are looking for a practical way to install sanitizers on the buses and rail lines...
<O>
As far as Trump taking over Australia, you're welcome to have him; just remember: we have a very strict "No Returns" policy...
:har: Great come back!! :up:
Eichhörnchen
03-21-20, 06:09 AM
Been out trying to get some eggs... finally found a shop where they'll let you have a dozen. Mind you, Moira would only buy what she needed; she bought one bag of flour when she could've taken two. Still no bumwad, though
Jimbuna
03-21-20, 07:21 AM
Excellent news, I hope the Australian government has the intelligence to enforce that over here! :yep:
This will mostly ensure the economy returns to normal. :yeah:
President Trump, please take over Australia. :D
Sydney police have temporarily closed Bondi Beach after crowds exceeded Australia's outdoor gathering limit.
The country has banned outdoor gatherings of more than 500 people in a bid to tackle the spread of coronavirus.
However large crowds of people are still flocking to beaches across Sydney, flouting advice to stay inside.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51984725
Jimbuna
03-21-20, 07:23 AM
After several days with no "home-grown" infections, according to China’s official figures, there is a feeling there that the coronavirus emergency appears to be under control.
People in Beijing are finally heading outdoors.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-51981859/coronavirus-people-in-beijing-begin-to-head-outdoors
Trump has nothing to do with the crackdown and, as far as I know, there are no Federal anti-gouging laws; the State of California has long had anti-gouging laws due to the several natural and man-made disasters like earthquakes, fires, riots, etc.; in addition to the State laws, counties and cities have their laws and regs to strengthen or more define the scope of enforcement. When we had the 1994 Northridge quake and power and facilities were nonexistent or extremely scarce, price-gouging was a real problem and the laws were really tightened up afterwards; the people who were or will be arrested are facing some very serious consequences because this ain't just a traffic ticket; I wouldn't mind being on a jury hearing one of their cases...
As far as Trump taking over Australia, you're welcome to have him; just remember: we have a very strict "No Returns" policy...
<O> There is a Federal Price gouging statute, however it only deals with gasoline and other petroleum products. It was passed back in 2013 when oil was 100.00 + a barrel. After this crisis passes, Congress will probably amend it to include toilet paper and hand sanitizer.
There is a Federal Price gouging statute, however it only deals with gasoline and other petroleum products. It was passed back in 2013 when oil was 100.00 + a barrel. After this crisis passes, Congress will probably amend it to include toilet paper and hand sanitizer.
I'd forgotten about the Federal oil price gouging law, but, as you indicated, it really deals mainly with a fixed, triggered implementation and enforcement; the type of laws in CA, statewide and local are wider in the triggering mechanisms and deal on a more case by case, situational basis; also, the laws here are more concerned with the day to day and survival commodities and services related to disasters; oil prices topping a certain point internationally quite often have little to do with scarcity world-wide disasters and more to do with simple corporate opportunistic profiteering...
You can survive without needing to use oil in the form of gasoline, etc., but food, water, medicinals, and other basic must haves and needs are essential...
<O>
Skybird
03-21-20, 09:14 AM
"As a healthcare professional I want people to understand that even if we had 1 million ventilators in the US or anywhere else. We do not have enough staff to run them or take care of a patient on these ventilators! Please stay at home!!!! Please!!!!" - J. Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2FkuQZTYO4
I here booze is selling well now..:03:
^^Sky's video
Yep the young do not give a flipping toss its going to take a lot of young death's for the message to sink in. :nope:
Africa will be a mass grave is they do not buck up their ideas.
Fubar2Niner
03-21-20, 09:33 AM
I here booze is selling well now..:03:
^^Sky's video
Yep the young do not give a flipping toss its going to take a lot of young death's for the message to sink in. :nope:
Africa will be a mass grave is they do not buck up their ideas.
Couldn't get any beer, lager, cider here at all from supermarkets locally, and I have heard they are going to stop stocking it in favour of food and essentials. Well last I heard beer was essential, or is that just me ?
Jimbuna
03-21-20, 09:42 AM
Couldn't get any beer, lager, cider here at all from supermarkets locally, and I have heard they are going to stop stocking it in favour of food and essentials. Well last I heard beer was essential, or is that just me ?
I usually have 40-50 cases in one of the garages but now down to 12 so I'm not too worried atm.
Skybird
03-21-20, 09:51 AM
Did you know why Christ Martenson calls it the "honey badger virus"? I did not, since I did not know this animal.
This is why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c36UNSoJenI
Couldn't get any beer, lager, cider here at all from supermarkets locally, and I have heard they are going to stop stocking it in favour of food and essentials.
Not bothered by it as I am a very light casual drinker. As for the supermarkets its about time they got there act together as panic buying will be moving into week 3.
Did you know why Christ Martenson calls it the "honey badger virus"? I did not, since I did not know this animal.Yea I been hearing Bats could be off the hook and the prime candidate is the honey badger.
They rip your testicles off according to Clarkson on one of their Top Gear adventures. :eek::rolleyes::eek:
Coronavirus: Expert says new symptoms could be loss of taste or smell
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-experts-say-new-symptoms-could-be-loss-taste-or-smell-11961439
Early days. :hmmm:
Skybird
03-21-20, 11:07 AM
Every little bit may help you, may make the difference for you, so dont laugh too early.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yVGmfivAk
Jimbuna
03-21-20, 11:14 AM
A hotel has claimed that letters sent to staff sacking them and ordering them to leave their accommodation immediately were sent in error.
Staff at the Coylumbridge Hotel near Aviemore were told on Thursday by management to leave the hotel in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.
The action resulted in widespread criticism from politicians and a public backlash on social media.
Brittania Hotels has now apologised and blamed an administrative error.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-51972372
If this had never been made public there wouldn't have been the need tp blame it on an administrative error.
Every little bit may help you, may make the difference for you, so dont laugh too early.
Too late the panic buyers have stripped the shelf's around here of all vitamins and minerals and cod liver oil its all gone. Good job they can not carve up the sun as this lot would.
Jimbuna
03-21-20, 11:20 AM
Tis the same all over the country.
Tis the same all over the country.
Yep its a sad country we live in as some people have really have shown their true dark colours. :nope:
Jimbuna
03-21-20, 11:28 AM
Rgr that.
In case there is a bit of curiosity about what measures and restrictions are being declared officially here locally in Los Angeles County (covering 11 Million people, 88 cities and other non-incorporated areas, a bit over 4,000 sq. miles [10,500 sq km]), attached is the latest (19 March) Public Health Notice; it includes a definition and description of allowed or prohibited activities; the listing of essential businesses and activities starts at the bottom of Page 3 of the PDF:
SAFER AT HOME ORDER FOR CONTROL OF COVID-19 --
http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/COVID-19_SaferAtHome_HealthOfficerOrder_20200319_Signed. pdf
The above pretty much is identical to the State declarations; what has been interesting during the whole process is the City of Los Angeles has actually implemented almost all of the actions prior to the State or County issuing their own orders; the Mayor has been quite proactive in handling the City's response and also has been very forthcoming and transparent about what has been done by his office. There is a large medical center that closed it doors permanently a few months ago and the Mayor suggested to the State that the buildings and its infrastructure be leased and used as a medical facility to house and treat solely patients with diagnosed cases of Covid-19; the State has taken up the idea and is negotiating a lease with the property's owners; the upshot of the idea will be to further isolate known cases away from other non-infected patients at other hospitals...
This is a link to the LA County webpage regarding Covid-19:
http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/
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This article from iflscience may be of some interest for you
There have been a series of good quality investigative reports, notably by the business publication Caixin, since the authorities fully acknowledged the virus. As political scientist Maria Repnikova argues, providing temporary space for the media to report more freely can help the party-state “project an image of managed transparency”. However, the clampdown has undoubtedly had a significant effect on the media’s ability to provide effective investigative reporting, particularly early on in the outbreak.
https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/chinas-coronavirus-coverup-how-censorship-and-propaganda-obstructed-the-truth/?fbclid=IwAR32wADnuaCqWwXJG8kk0KJHx8uhbxFhNzAUopOm mxL2F-OA6JeNY7NEDqY
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Eichhörnchen
03-21-20, 12:44 PM
At least they aren't rationing nuts yet
At least they aren't rationing nuts yet
What nuts? None around here, not even chocolate and crisps. Snack food went bye bye early in the week.
Coronavirus: Panic buyers 'should be ashamed', says NHS boss
The national medical director of NHS England criticises people whose stockpiling leaves health workers unable to purchase food.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-panic-buyers-should-be-ashamed-says-nhs-boss-11961507
I agree, they are selfish bastards who have no shame or morals.
Aktungbby
03-21-20, 02:03 PM
I agree, they are selfish bastards who have no shame or morals.Well really, with regard to TP... who has regard for shame or morals with respect to their respective heinous anus!::doh: :arrgh!: :O:
BREAKING
Coronavirus: Number of COVID-19 infections in UK tops 5,000 as 233 die
The latest figures show there has been a rise in the number of confirmed cases by 1,035 in a day to 5,018.
BREAKING
Coronavirus: Number of COVID-19 infections in UK tops 5,000 as 233 die
The latest figures show there has been a rise in the number of confirmed cases by 1,035 in a day to 5,018.
Looks like without question we are now on the up curb.
Uk was mentioned, so I made a search for how many people in UK had died from a Flu infection.
So now you my English friends can compare
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/annual-flu-reports
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Skybird
03-21-20, 04:00 PM
This is a long interview with the German lead scientist who represents the scientific perspective behind the German approach. Prof. Drosten is head of the virology station of the Berlin Charité and the chief counselor to the federla govenrment, and he gets listened to. Probably nobody has more scientific influenc on German polticla deicisons currently, than him. He worked early for the CDC as well, is one of the discoverers of SARS and contributed dominantly to the first quick test for SARS that was then released under his repsonsibility early before it hd even passed all formal tests and licenses (the time was so urgent that he said they could not wait of the bureaucrats to catch up). He is seen as one of the world's leading virologists and is an outspoken expert especially for Corona virusses.
For better or worse, this man's views are the scientific basis the government acts upon.
In English.
https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit/2020-03/christian-drosten-coronavirus-pandemic-germany-virologist-charite/komplettansicht
Catfish
03-21-20, 04:37 PM
^ Listened to a live interview with Drosten today, in the radio on DLF (Deutschlandfunk) today while driving to and fro Braunschweig.
Good man, he also makes the panic spreaders look awful.
"Corona is dangerous, but manageable." He is also of the opinion that Germany is taking the right way.
"We're two or three weeks ahead of some of our neighbors. We've been able to do this because we've been doing so many diagnostics, so much testing. Of course, we missed some cases in this early stage, that always happens. But I don't think we overlooked a major outbreak. This assertion is also supported by the fact that we are seeing cases in Germany increase as expected. But we're also seeing that we have fewer deaths than other countries."
(This was also said in the radio interview.)
But also:
"ZEIT ONLINE: How much longer will we be able to keep up with testing in Germany?
Drosten: At some point, this won't be possible anymore. We're simply not able to increase our testing capacity as quickly as the number of cases rises. Then two things will coincide: First, some of the people who are now sick with COVID-19 will die. And second, because we won't be able to test everyone, our statistics will be incomplete. Our fatality rate will then also rise. It will appear that the virus has become more dangerous, but this will be a statistical artifact, a distortion. It will simply reflect what's already starting to happen: We're missing more and more infections."
So, it still can get much worse here.
He explained the differences between countries like China and us, and why he thinks why our way is the better one, even, or especially, in dire situations like this. When asked about the UK and the US he was very... quiet.
Whatever, he mentioned the cooperation within Europe, but also said that an earlier appreciation/realisation? of the multiplying of cases in Italy would have been desirable.
He is also of the opinion that China was (relatively) open and communicative, so while it all spread from China, the latter's reaction and international information was quick and decisive.
I wonder whether i can get this on audio recording somewhere.
Skybird
03-21-20, 06:11 PM
So, it still can get much worse here.
Of course it can get MUCH worse. Yesterday, Martenson opened this calculation, he showed that after what Italy has been through, only 0.8% of their population nevertheless has reached immunity so far. Needed for virusses with an estimated R0 (replication/spreading rate) like this one, are 75-90%, 80% he said.
Lets not forget that. Whatever we do, the only relief to all this is 80% herd immunity, either by infection and surviiving it, or by controlled infection via a vaccine.
The only good news is that around 80%, maybe even a bit more of infected people suffer from only mild symptoms that do not require hospitalization, just house quarantine for 3 weeks. This sounds harmless, but the killing risk lies in the hospitals being blocked for all other patients that are not Corona, too.
Also, quite some of those who had to go to hospital and surived it, suffer for the rest of their lives from lung deficits, 20-30% of their lung capacities are gone.
Realistically, vaccine not before 2021. In the best and smoothest and problem-cleaned scenario imaginable, late autumn. But the nothing must go wrong, and everything and everybody must work perfectly. Not very likely, but highly unlikely.
THE_MASK
03-21-20, 06:59 PM
I read today that in Australia if 40% of the population get it , more people will die than died in WW1 and WW2 . My youngest son nearly died of pneumonia when he was 9 . He will die , my other son will die , my father will die , i will die , my wife will die . All have serious underlying health problems to start with .
Skybird
03-21-20, 07:48 PM
I read today that in Australia if 40% of the population get it , more people will die than died in WW1 and WW2 . My youngest son nearly died of pneumonia when he was 9 . He will die , my other son will die , my father will die , i will die , my wife will die . All have serious underlying health problems to start with .
Sober - statistics and probabilities do not describe individual fates. NEVER. Only trends for populations. You do not know what will happen to each and every individual in your family.
Do your part to shift probabilites in your favour.
How to do that by now everybody should know.
Mr Quatro
03-21-20, 08:10 PM
I read today that in Australia if 40% of the population get it , more people will die than died in WW1 and WW2 . My youngest son nearly died of pneumonia when he was 9 . He will die , my other son will die , my father will die , i will die , my wife will die . All have serious underlying health problems to start with .
Sober - statistics and probabilities do not describe individual fates. NEVER. Only trends for populations. You do not know what will happen to each and every individual in your family.
Do your part to shift probabilites in your favour.
How to do that by now everybody should know.
https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.clezCeg4zwVSwO7mZl_UoQHaHa&pid=Api&rs=1
Onkel Neal
03-21-20, 08:17 PM
The US number of reported cases just blew past Spain, Germany, and Iran. Well, Iran doesn't count, their numbers are probably bogus.
By Friday the US will pass China and be #1 in the world for reported COVID-19 cases.
Mr Quatro
03-21-20, 08:46 PM
The US number of reported cases just blew past Spain, Germany, and Iran. Well, Iran doesn't count, their numbers are probably bogus.
By Friday the US will pass China and be #1 in the world for reported COVID-19 cases.
You think late testing and very few labs had anything to do with that? :hmmm:
Six weeks later I'm just now getting over the flu (at least I think it was the flu) :yep:
Rockstar
03-21-20, 08:53 PM
I read an article last Thursday or Friday, U.S. N.I.H. is expecting confirmed cases in the U.S. to exceed 70,000 this week. It was said those numbers would be driven mainly from a substantial increase in testing.
Mr Quatro
03-21-20, 09:00 PM
I just spoke with a friend who got called into an emergency meeting at his hospital. He said the virus is spreading quickly from gas pumps. He said to wear gloves or have a paper towel touch the pump and throw the napkin or gloves out before you get back in the car. Please tell everyone you know. Shopping carts as well, wipe them down :yep:
Buddahaid
03-21-20, 09:04 PM
And ATMs.
Skybird
03-21-20, 09:42 PM
The US number of reported cases just blew past Spain, Germany, and Iran. Well, Iran doesn't count, their numbers are probably bogus.
By Friday the US will pass China and be #1 in the world for reported COVID-19 cases.
Rightnow I cannot even imagine that the US already has caught up with its delayed start of testing. Not this fast. Means: I expect the dark numbers to be even higher, relatively, than in countries where they did better with that. Dont test don't count as a policy does fix nothing, only allows the enemy to stay hidden for longer.
Cape Caneveral, take over. We have a rocket to launch.
Mr Quatro
03-21-20, 09:57 PM
Does anyone need this? :up:
https://vitaldollar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/stay-at-home-date-ideas-300.jpg
I didn't see any mention of sex in your list! :hmmm:
Aktungbby
03-21-20, 10:21 PM
that's because Yanks seldom do it at home!:Kaleun_Party:
The US number of reported cases just blew past Spain, Germany, and Iran. Well, Iran doesn't count, their numbers are probably bogus.
By Friday the US will pass China and be #1 in the world for reported COVID-19 cases.
Next face palm for Dr. Fauci: When Trump announces, "Once again, the US is #1! MAGA!"...
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/21/02/26229512-8136953-image-m-18_1584757666985.jpg
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Eichhörnchen
03-22-20, 03:18 AM
Looks like without question we are now on the up curb.
Have you got a link to the story about UK troops? I can't find this story...
A bit of perspective:
COVID-19 Cases per Million Inhabitants: A Comparison
https://www.statista.com/chart/21176/covid-19-infection-density-in-countries-most-total-cases/
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/21176.jpeg
Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) – Statistics and Research --
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
Sorry about the size of the graph; it doesn't scale down well...
I'm gonna say something here that will probably make some people a bit upset (like I've never done that before), but there was a theory put forth by the Chinese authorities that the virus may have been brought into Wuhan by athletes competing in the "Military World Games" in October, 2019. Now, the theory, when first put out, laid the blame on US athletes, but I think a part of that stance is due to the strained relations between the US and China, and I think a very large part of the stance is due to China wanting to strike back at Trump's very loud and very public bellowing. I don't agree the US may have responsible, but, at the same time, I find it very interesting Italy, Switzerland, Spain, Germany, and France all have very high case rates and all of them also had relatively large contingents at the Games and I find it interesting the very largest cluster of cases is in Europe and specifically in the cluster of nations I listed above; the cases per million for China, a nation known for dense populations and, therefore, logically presumed to be highly susceptible to a very heavy outbreak of cases, is markedly low compared to the European states; now I know what some will say, "China is lying about its figures", but, really, China would have to revise its claimed case by tenfold just to be near Italy's cases per million; is it not possible the virus did originate outside of China and was carried in by athletes at the Games? China 'found' the virus first and responded with draconian measures, lowering the spread. But look at Europe: the rates are amazingly high, indicating perhaps, Ground Zero of the infection's inception was not Wuhan, but based on the cases/million and the highly aggressive growth in Europe that the source was, indeed, Europe and, in particular, Italy. What I'm saying is this: if you strip away the politics and 'us vs them' of international politics and look at the stats on the case distribution, Wuhan does not really seem to be where I would look for the original flashpoint...
Told you I'd upset some people...
Discuss amongst yourselves...
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Skybird
03-22-20, 06:07 AM
No, that makes not much sense, vienna. The real reason is porbbaly much more easier: testing intensity varies alrgely from place to place. Until three or four days ago the US had tested as many people sinc eJanuary thanSouth Korea tests in a whole day. In other countries they test differently, here i germany due to lacking test tubes and limited laboratory capacity they only test people diagnosed by the symptoms for Corona if thes epeople have had confirmed contatc to other confirmed Coronistas, or havw returned recently from a region confirmed to be a Coronaric hihg risk region. In other words, the counts vary due to huge differences ij how the conting is done. China'S statistics also are bollocks, no way I beleive that they have no under contrl and almost no moe new cases, that simply is not possible, and also they have chnaged the way they count twice, for which thy got Flak because it messed up the statistcs models additionally.
The US messed up royally ion testing and now is completely clueless on its own national numbers, becasue the numbers they give necessarily are only a tiny fractitn of real cases. Thats why I expect the number sfor the US gojg throug the ceiling any time soon (if they do not get covered up).
Also not forget that different regions had diferent points of time when they entered the action. The curve showing case numbers versus number of days, more or less is the same, but they are shifted on the time axis, siome start earlier than others. The numbers you gave do not reflect that.
u crank
03-22-20, 06:31 AM
I'm gonna say something here that will probably make some people a bit upset (like I've never done that before), but there was a theory put forth by the Chinese authorities that the virus may have been brought into Wuhan by athletes competing in the "Military World Games" in October, 2019.
Hmmph. That's utter nonsense.
The truth is that the Wu Flu (correct scientific term) was created in a secret lab in the White House basement by D.J.Trump and M.R. Pence, noted mad science deniers. It was then transported to China by ex KKK members disguised as female Italian tourists. Now the question that I know everybody is asking is ...why didn't Trump and Pence contract the virus themselves. The answer of course is that Trump and Pence are not actually humans but synthetic beings created by the Koch brothers and Sean Hannity.
The truth will eventually be known when reporters from Buzzfeed and the Huffington Post stop chasing Russian collusion theories and get on this case. There is a problem though, a new sensational theory being exposed by Rachael Maddow. The synth Pence actually contains a doomsday device.
God help us all.
Jimbuna
03-22-20, 06:48 AM
I just spoke with a friend who got called into an emergency meeting at his hospital. He said the virus is spreading quickly from gas pumps. He said to wear gloves or have a paper towel touch the pump and throw the napkin or gloves out before you get back in the car. Please tell everyone you know. Shopping carts as well, wipe them down :yep:
Sound advice, I'm off to the petrol station in a couple of hours but thankfully I have a large bottle of sanitiser in the car.
Jimbuna
03-22-20, 06:51 AM
The Italian region of Lombardy has introduced stricter measures in a bid to tackle the spread of coronavirus.
Under the new rules announced late on Saturday, sport and physical activity outside, even individually, is banned. Using vending machines is forbidden.
The move comes as Italy reported nearly 800 coronavirus deaths on Saturday and saw its toll for the past month reach 4,825, the highest in the world.
Lombardy is the worst-affected region in the country with 3,095 deaths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51991972
Jimbuna
03-22-20, 06:56 AM
Boris Johnson in Mother's Day warning amid concern for NHS
As families prepare to celebrate Mother's Day on Sunday, Mr Johnson said the best single present for mothers was to stay away.
It comes after the government this week told all restaurants, cafes and pubs - as well as some other public spaces like gyms and cinemas - to close.
"This time, the best thing is to ring her, video call her, Skype her, but to avoid any unnecessary physical contact or proximity," the PM said.
"And why? Because if your mother is elderly or vulnerable, then I am afraid all the statistics show that she is much more likely to die from coronavirus, or Covid-19. We cannot disguise or sugar-coat the threat."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51991887
u crank
03-22-20, 07:12 AM
[B]
"This time, the best thing is to ring her, video call her, Skype her, but to avoid any unnecessary physical contact or proximity," the PM said.
"And why? Because if your mother is elderly or vulnerable, then I am afraid all the statistics show that she is much more likely to die from coronavirus, or Covid-19. We cannot disguise or sugar-coat the threat."
That seems like very good advice. I wonder how many people will ignore it?
Hmmph. That's utter nonsense.
The truth is that the Wu Flu (correct scientific term) was created in a secret lab in the White House basement by D.J.Trump and M.R. Pence, noted mad science deniers. It was then transported to China by ex KKK members disguised as female Italian tourists. Now the question that I know everybody is asking is ...why didn't Trump and Pence contract the virus themselves. The answer of course is that Trump and Pence are not actually humans but synthetic beings created by the Koch brothers and Sean Hannity.
The truth will eventually be known when reporters from Buzzfeed and the Huffington Post stop chasing Russian collusion theories and get on this case. There is a problem though, a new sensational theory being exposed by Rachael Maddow. The synth Pence actually contains a doomsday device.
God help us all.
Oh, jeez, you weren't supposed to know that! Quick find shelter before the Trumpstaffel find you and haul you off for the dreaded "Hannity Rehabilitation Process"! Run as far and fast as your Canuck legs will take you...
...just don't run toward our border... you know, ...nonessential and all that...
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u crank
03-22-20, 09:03 AM
Oh, jeez, you weren't supposed to know that! Quick find shelter before the Trumpstaffel find you and haul you off for the dreaded "Hannity Rehabilitation Process"! Run as far and fast as your Canuck legs will take you...
Not to worry. I live on an island and you know what the guy said ...."an island never cries".
Went out for a short walk and to buy some milk and I noticed the loony stage is now here. Three people gave me very dirty fearful looks to suggest I was carrying the plague and I was out to kill them! :doh:
What is the matter with these people, look keep calm and obey the guidelines and don't act like a moron. CALM DOWN!
Man if this is happening now I dread to think what it will be like in two to three weeks time.
Rockstar
03-22-20, 09:25 AM
Looking at traffic webcams on weatherbug. I'm very familiar with, Norfolk, VA; Charleston, SC; Atlanta, GA; Miami, FL. Highway traffic is almost non existent. Even during this time of day when things were normal seemed like everyone on earth was on the road.
https://www.weatherbug.com/traffic-cam/norfolk-va-23509
Of course the videos have probably all been altered in a massive cover-up by the U.S. to make it look like nobody is driving....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAAKPJEq1Ew
Skybird
03-22-20, 09:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNQUHc8wbRc
Let them stare, let them look in disbelief or angwer - I wear my mask when entering a supermarket with all that moist stale air inside.
And no, I do not buy vegetable an most fruit currently. Even cleaning or processing it in the kitchen could contaminate my kitchen. Currently, only bananas, oranges, citron, lemons get bought and carefully handled, since they have an outer skin that you peel off. Apples, berries and the likes: no-no.
Also no sweet pepper, tomatoes that usually I consume a lot. Only pickled or canned. Thank good for these tzhere are indeed very good canned and pickled altemrtaives, I recommend the Italian brands especially, Muti and the like. sometimes taste better than fresh but mediocre tomatoes form Germany or Holland.
I also thionk that I mvoe to baking my opwn bread again. Bakeries often are very warm with plenty of moisture in the air. Cant be good.
Bad for the bakers if everyone would do it, I know. Its bad times, and only bad choices left.
Jimbuna
03-22-20, 10:40 AM
Letters are being sent to 1.5 million people in England most at risk of coronavirus, urging them to stay home.
Those most at risk will receive letters or text messages strongly advising them not to go out for 12 weeks to protect themselves, the government said.
It comes as the PM asked the UK not to visit loved ones on Mother's Day, and follow social distancing guidelines.
Mayor of London Sadiq Khan asked people to heed the advice, saying "do it for loved ones who will die if you don't".
The number of people who have died in the UK with coronavirus rose to 244 on Sunday, as cases topped 5,000.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51991887
Mr Quatro
03-22-20, 10:49 AM
The move comes as Italy reported nearly 800 coronavirus deaths on Saturday and saw its toll for the past month reach 4,825, the highest in the world.
I heard on the news that more men than women are dying in Italy due to they are smokers, plus an older population. :yep:
In one day is more than all of the UK and the USA all together since it began :yep:
PS as for your theory vienna that the virus came from another country visiting Wuhan? I would say that the virus came from the first country that tried to hide it ... China :o
Jimbuna
03-22-20, 10:57 AM
Cases pass 300,000 with more than 13,000 deaths around the world; 93,000 people have recovered
Rockstar
03-22-20, 11:15 AM
Israeli doctor Gai Peleg, who is currently working to save lives in Parma, Italy, told Channel 12 that things are only getting worse as the number of patients keeps growing...
Peleg said that, from what he sees and hears in the hospital, the instructions are not to offer access to artificial respiratory machines to patients over 60 as such machines are limited in number. https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856
In other news
Los Angeles County health officials advised doctors to give up on testing patients in the hope of containing the coronavirus outbreak, instructing them to test patients only if a positive result could change how they would be treated.https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-20/coronavirus-county-doctors-containment-testing
Jimbuna
03-22-20, 11:19 AM
^That further adds to the belief of how seriously bad it must be over there :o
Reading the local news on my app these BASTARD SCAMMERS are scamming people with emails full of fear and worst still knocking on doors of pensioners! A couple of the door knockers have been caught thankfully. Sick evil twisted people who do this sort of thing are a disgrace to the human race. :nope: :nope:
Aktungbby
03-22-20, 11:35 AM
:Kaleun_Party::Kaleun_Sick::dead:/\ good to know: at 60+ I'm a triaged expendible! but as a sometime first-responder at massive car wrecks(as in what a mess; who ya gonna help first!:k_confused:) I sympathsize thoroughly with the tough call. When time(14 days+-?) and resources (ventilators, Covid-afflicted medical personnel et al)are acutely short, ya gotta make choices. The young uns should be given priority. No imho about it.
Of course the videos have probably all been altered in a massive cover-up by the U.S. to make it look like nobody is driving....
I was in three different states last week and yes traffic is pretty light.
Mr Quatro
03-22-20, 11:47 AM
:Kaleun_Party::Kaleun_Sick::dead:/\ good to know: at 60+ I'm a triaged expendible! but as a sometime first-responder at massive car wrecks(as in what a mess; who ya gonna help first!:k_confused:) I sympathsize thoroughly with the tough call. When time(14 days+-?) and resources (ventilators, Covid-afflicted medical personnel et al)are acutely short, ya gotta make choices. The young uns should be given priority. No imho about it.
Wan't there a movie about killing all of the old people so the young might survive ... I forget :yep:
Eichhörnchen
03-22-20, 11:48 AM
Oh, jeez, you weren't supposed to know that! Quick find shelter before the Trumpstaffel find you and haul you off for the dreaded "Hannity Rehabilitation Process"! Run as far and fast as your Canuck legs will take you...
:har::har::har:
Eichhörnchen
03-22-20, 11:52 AM
Think on (and we here of all people should realise this)... about the safest place to be right now is on board a nuclear sub that's already been at sea for the past month
Aktungbby
03-22-20, 12:16 PM
Wan't there a movie about killing all of the old people so the young might survive ... I forget :yep: Logan's Run with Michael York comes to mind; but there you went to 'carousel' at 30! :ping::doh::dead:
German Chancellor Angela Merkel in quarantine after a doctor tests positive for coronavirus
https://news.sky.com/story/german-chancellor-angela-merkel-in-quarantine-after-doctor-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-11962030
:ping:
Just to add what some of you have said about fools out and about acting as if all is well, yep its here as well. Watching Sky News and these fools can not see there actions are stupid.
Mr Quatro
03-22-20, 01:26 PM
Think on (and we here of all people should realise this)... about the safest place to be right now is on board a nuclear sub that's already been at sea for the past month
That would be an Ohio class SSBN on patrol for 90 days and still have 60 days left, but what if it came out of Bangor, Washington? :o
Didn't think of that did you? :yep:
em2nought
03-22-20, 02:05 PM
Soylent Green is people! :D
Maybe this virus kills more men than woman because that's how you'd design your battlefield biological agent in your Wuhan weapons lab. :hmmm:
Eichhörnchen
03-22-20, 02:48 PM
NHS Community nurses facing abuse, spat at and called "Disease spreaders":
https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/coronavirus/nurses-fighting-coronavirus-facing-abhorrent-abuse-from-public-20-03-2020/?fbclid=IwAR3kVT1-8-wp6jaIRWN7mm31jPAM76qO5hWjfPAASY83AyFftZmgaXcq3BQ
Unfortunately there's been a mutant underclass growing in our society for the past few decades... they also stone ambulances and firefighters
Mr Quatro
03-22-20, 03:09 PM
Just heard this about Hawaii:
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/03/22/live-governor-expected-announce-new-restrictions-bid-fight-spread-virus/
Starting Thursday, all visitors and returning residents to Hawaii will be required to complete a mandatory, 14-day quarantine
in what the governor on Saturday called an “extreme action" aimed at stopping the spread of coronavirus in Hawaii.
break the quarantine and you could be facing a $5000 and/or a year in jail.
Thursday is March 26th :yep:
NHS Community nurses facing abuse, spat at and called "Disease spreaders":
https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/coronavirus/nurses-fighting-coronavirus-facing-abhorrent-abuse-from-public-20-03-2020/?fbclid=IwAR3kVT1-8-wp6jaIRWN7mm31jPAM76qO5hWjfPAASY83AyFftZmgaXcq3BQ
Unfortunately there's been a mutant underclass growing in our society for the past few decades... they also stone ambulances and firefighters
:nope::nope::nope::nope:
Skybird
03-22-20, 03:50 PM
"Testing in the Us has not come about." NY only testing hospitalized patients.
Uaaaahhhh... Either they already have run out of material and testkits again, or the administration has chosen to stick to no-test-no-tell so to shine better in its own glorious deeds when giving low nubmers and hpon git ghets away with that fake story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTTn3RSm6c
SKY its clear to me some governments around the world clearly want heard immunity and to hell with the death rate. Bojo is doing the same here...:nope:
Buddahaid
03-22-20, 04:34 PM
Think on (and we here of all people should realise this)... about the safest place to be right now is on board a nuclear sub that's already been at sea for the past month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzEWpKKOZs
Buddahaid
03-22-20, 04:35 PM
Think on (and we here of all people should realise this)... about the safest place to be right now is on board a nuclear sub that's already been at sea for the past month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_o8vX8lGss
Aktungbby
03-22-20, 04:37 PM
That would be an Ohio class SSBN on patrol for 90 days and still have 60 days left, but what if it came out of Bangor, Washington? :o
Didn't think of that did you? :yep:'specially if a sailor had a precruise cavort in a fabled Bangor bordello...sailor's are sailors after all:Kaleun_Sick: :Kaleun_Party: :oops: :dead:
Incredible can't come up with a better word than Incredible.
Early today i could read on my teletext and hear it in the news that Doctors/scientist on the island Faroe, had discovered there was two version of this Corona.
Some of my friends wrote a bulletin and posted a link.
Said to them...this is nothing new scientist around the world have known this since beginning of March. I also have known this since beginning of March.
This made me wonder-Are the world scientist not talking to each other ? Especially now when we have this Corona pandemic.
For me it's nothing more than incredible that scientist on our planet are not communicating with each other.
Markus
Rockstar
03-22-20, 06:08 PM
"Testing in the Us has not come about." NY only testing hospitalized patients.
Uaaaahhhh... Either they already have run out of material and testkits again, or the administration has chosen to stick to no-test-no-tell so to shine better in its own glorious deeds when giving low nubmers and hpon git ghets away with that fake story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTTn3RSm6c
No test no tell, thats funny. We dont test for cancer either but over 500,000 people die from that here in the U.S. too.
Tell you what, if the nurse can come up with an idea how exactly to accomplish his fantasy of testing 350 million people in the U.S. quite possibly several times over. I'm all ears, otherwise he just reminds me of an old woman complaining day after day. Telling others what he thinks they should be doing without any informed opinion as how to actually accomplish it.
If you stop for a moment and look I think you will see every nation on earth including yours is taking pretty much the same view. Testing only patients that are symptomatic to confirm COVID-19.
Because of the wonderful best government in the world holding vital information from the rest of the world there is really no way to know if China experienced just the herald wave of infection or the full Tsunami. It could come right back on us again if we open our borders. I say we just get it over with and move on.
Onkel Neal
03-22-20, 06:13 PM
South Korea would like a word.
Buddahaid
03-22-20, 07:21 PM
South Korea would like a word.
No doubt. The drive through testing there makes the US look like chumps. Where's the mighty industrial capacity that made America great to start with? Pissed away in the name of ever increasing profit margins and titanic CEO wealth margins.
Skybird
03-22-20, 07:29 PM
Sigh.
From 00:10:36 to 00:13:23.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIvGIukZhk
Rockstar
03-22-20, 07:47 PM
South Korea, population 51,300,000. To the best of my knowledge as of March only 190,000 tests conducted. Which no doubt is a lot but its not the entire population either what about the others? Heck what about the ones already tested negative but may have it now? Test them again? How many times? How much do they invest in testing? With so many of the population left untested I have a reeeeal hard time understanding the song and dance over South Korea.
They also were pretty fortunate too. Initially 63% of the cases were confined to the 200,000 or so followers of that religious sect. In South Korea they also have legal grounds for 'cohort' isolation. Good luck with trying that in Europe or the U.S. They also have a much higher portion of younger age groups which naturally reduces the case fataity rate as well.
Then there is just plain old good spooks and intel. Because South Korea also conducted a table-top exercise on a corona virus outbreak back in December 2019 so they were already prepared. Coincidentally Wuhan China had already for several months been dealing with a real corona virus outbreak.
IMO since there isnt any nation on earth that has even come close to testing entire populations. It is way too early to start patting South Korea, China or anyonme on the back just yet. We have some of the greatest minds in medicine and the sciences at work. Then we have youtube personalities. You get to choose who you want to listen too.
Mr Quatro
03-22-20, 07:59 PM
'specially if a sailor had a precruise cavort in a fabled Bangor bordello...sailor's are sailors after all:Kaleun_Sick: :Kaleun_Party: :oops: :dead:
Ought oh it's now in Guam too where a submarine tender and several SSBN's replenish their supplies and change crews that fly over from Washington State :o
Coronavirus cases in Guam surge by 12 overnight
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/412380/coronavirus-cases-in-guam-surge-by-12-overnight?fbclid=IwAR0r3Lk3mbdnYFFb1-IrSN4b66EWXM8Ha177QLHEoAJ9ZCEmmhpSL2KdWFM
The number of people confirmed with Covid-19 on Guam has surged by 12 overnight. The governor, Lou Leon Guerrero, said the total on the island was now 26.
Mr Quatro
03-22-20, 08:02 PM
Heck what about the ones already tested negative but may have it now?
I've been thinking the same thing about the USA and now that they will have by next week (I think) a way to test and see if you have the virus in only 45 minutes. Why would they say "no" to people that have already been tested as negative.
Test us all America :yep:
cavort in a fabled Bangor bordello... all:Kaleun_Sick: :Kaleun_Party: :oops: :dead:
Ummmmmmmm, as long as there are married sailors, Bangor doesn't need a bordello. I'll defer to the SSBN folks to explain it. :up:
Onkel Neal
03-22-20, 09:21 PM
Yikes! I don't wanna know :arrgh!:
em2nought
03-22-20, 10:57 PM
Sigh.
From 00:10:36 to 00:13:23.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIvGIukZhk
Hmm, maybe my German blood will do me some good. An archaeological dig accidentally unearthing some nasty WW2 Nazi bio-weapon in Italy would make an interesting movie about now.
Catfish
03-23-20, 03:08 AM
[...] Then there is just plain old good spooks and intel. Because South Korea also conducted a table-top exercise on a corona virus outbreak back in December 2019 so they were already prepared. Coincidentally Wuhan China had already for several months been dealing with a real corona virus outbreak.
And the good old US spooks along with scientists told the US government about the threat and grave hazards of a new influenza pandemic of a virus infection in 2019. As they did from 2013 to 2018.
The early 2020 worldwide threat assessment, which yet again flagged America’s vulnerability to a flu pandemic, had been postponed without explanation, by some super genius leader who does not listen to secret services and scientists.
You are right though that testing an entire population "just so" is not really possible.
Eichhörnchen
03-23-20, 05:30 AM
My wife just heard from a UK friend who says that in her locality gangs of youths are congregating outside supermarkets to spit and cough in the faces of elderly shoppers
My wife just heard from a UK friend who says that in her locality gangs of youths are congregating outside supermarkets to spit and cough in the faces of elderly shoppers
Just another reason to around up this vermin and imprison them and forget the courts give them 5 years.
Rockstar
03-23-20, 05:42 AM
Anyone check out the Johns Hopkins dashboard lately? They have U.S. confirmed cases marked by county now.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
My wife just heard from a UK friend who says that in her locality gangs of youths are congregating outside supermarkets to spit and cough in the faces of elderly shoppers
Dirty filthy pigs, I hope they get the virus! :nope:
Catfish
03-23-20, 06:38 AM
Follow Johnson's orders, keep calm and infect on..
Seriously, they should be jailed :nope::nope:
Rockstar
03-23-20, 06:53 AM
And the good old US spooks along with scientists told the US government about the threat and grave hazards of a new influenza pandemic of a virus infection in 2019. As they did from 2013 to 2018.
The early 2020 worldwide threat assessment, which yet again flagged America’s vulnerability to a flu pandemic, had been postponed without explanation, by some super genius leader who does not listen to secret services and scientists.
You are right though that testing an entire population "just so" is not really possible.
Pot and the Kettle. Apparently NOBODY except South Korea took their intel services seriously. Heck it happened on EuroAsian continent and the E.U. didn't close their borders until the day after our health officials outed the E.U. as the new epicenter and we isolated ourselves from you. You're welcome hehe
As far as testing I cant imagine the logistics involved trying to test everyone. Testers have to decontaminate every time before the next person comes in. Drive-in sound so kewl, the latest rave and all, but not everyone owns a car or can drive. Having people gather in one place to get tested goes against everything our own CDC, State and Federal government is telling people which is STAY the hell home. Think about all the times you heard said someone got the flu just after getting a vaccinated. News flash, it wasn't from the vaccine it was from the person standing in line next to you while you waited your turn. Same for COVID if you didn't have it before the test its likely you could afterwards.
YouTube personalities make it sound as if South Korea just whooped COVID's arse with testing. Contrary to popular belief the fat lady hasn't started singing in South Korea just yet. There are still 50 million people that haven't been tested and they are still advising their population to isolate and not gather. I'll follow South Korea's advice, the CDC's advice the World Health Organization's advice, the ECDC advice which is to stay the hell home.
https://apnews.com/420f02c94acec138c31bd6ce618dfead
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/03/18/coronavirus-social-distancing-new-jersey-parents-long-lines/2871101001/
Skybird
03-23-20, 07:17 AM
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo
Does good coverage, and sober.
The problem of SKora is the same like for anyone else: how long can tight measures be kept up without breaking the eocnomy an consumming up material reserves. Even in Korea they need test tubes, even if they produce them themselves.
SKorea vigorously tracvked down ever ysingle case they could get. The US tries to fuight an enemy it cannot see. Takes not much fantasy to imagine how that will end. Case numbers now are exploding. Firts the spirng break idocy which the auhtorities should have cracke down ahrd on, and then the fatc that many people cannot afford getting tested or beign ill and off daily job duty, so they still keep on spreading it like crazy. This is why the givenrment should have mad etesting free for everybody many, many weeks ago.By nto doign so, it has accelerated it all and multiplied the damage to people and econoym by factors.
Europe is badly off due to filtering tissues for FFP3 masks beign produced in China still, even if the masks can be put together in Europe elsewise. Same with test tubes. Then the prpduction number of ventilators, they lack behind the need by a two digit factor.
I can see us riding this only in waves. We maximise curfew and all that, brign the curve down, so that the treshhold of the health system is not being overstepped, then we ease the measure and allow the ifneciton rate tto grow until short of that treshhold, then we tighten thign sagain and bring the curvve - hopefully - down. Thats is a very very risky ride, however, and ti could go terribly wring with every single iteration. We must do so until immunization levels in the population are somewhere around 80% or so. Either be desease and surviving it, or by vaccination.
I stop linking Chris Martensons updates, its too depressing. Yesterday he had a spanish doctor who was in tears telling the camera that they take ventilators away from old people and give them to the many young patients, putting the old on sedatives so that they die a bit less painful. The Spanish have messed up, very, very, very big time, wanting to save the tourist business with their festivals even when they knew they had Corona in their coutnry already. Murderous ignorrant bastard the government was on that. The people now pays a heavy price for their pathetic arrogance.
In three or four states in germany, even tighter rules than the announced -not-more-than-two are in place. There you are de facto forbidden to leave the house without a good reason (job, supoermarket, doctor visit). Else it is now spatial separation, no social separation. It is due to the rivalry between two minister presidents wanting to become chnacellor next time that this rule has not been brought in for all, the guy poreventing it, is a Merkel man trying to score with voters by not cracking down too hard on them and posing with basic rights issues. Politicans and their egos. Makes me immediately think of chlorine cleaners and hard brushes.
Its pleasently quite outside. No Greta and no Fridays for Future on TV. The situation also has its positives.
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 07:19 AM
My wife just heard from a UK friend who says that in her locality gangs of youths are congregating outside supermarkets to spit and cough in the faces of elderly shoppers
I used to be the cure for that :nope:
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 07:23 AM
People who have ignored government advice aimed at tackling the coronavirus pandemic are "very selfish", says the health secretary.
That is one massive understatement.
People who have ignored government advice aimed at tackling the coronavirus pandemic are "very selfish", says the health secretary.
That is one massive understatement.
And that is why the hammer blow is on the way as it looks maybe what ever. You will be told you can not step outside thanks to these morons.
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 07:33 AM
Former Hollywood producer and convicted sex offender Harvey Weinstein has tested positive for coronavirus while in prison.
OH DEAR! :o
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 07:36 AM
The government is hoping to pass all stages of their 329-page emergency bill through the House of Commons on Monday.
So what are MPs being asked to approve?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52004116
Rockstar
03-23-20, 08:12 AM
US surgeon general Jerome Adams on coronavirus: ‘This week it’s going to get bad’
https://www.today.com/video/us-surgeon-general-jerome-adams-on-coronavirus-this-week-it-s-going-to-get-bad-81091141801
Skybird
03-23-20, 08:45 AM
Former Hollywood producer and convicted sex offender Harvey Weinstein has tested positive for coronavirus while in prison.
OH DEAR! :o
Prisons will soon be emptied a bit, at least "minor" offenders" will be released and I read that in some countries they already do that, so to ease the pressure on the in-house hygienic situation, which is a calamity in these institutions.
In the US with its commercialised prison system and much huger number of prisons and prisoners, this leaves food for interesting thought.
If you are a prison ward, this is a clever time to quit the job and look for a new one - before the economic hammer starts to fall on jobs and employment rates as well.
Catfish
03-23-20, 09:19 AM
@Rockstar Does Trump know there is a connection between the west coast and Asia, despite what you see on most of the flat-earth maps.. :hmmm:
Your health officials and the super genius can go to hell, they are worth a piece of toilet paper... oh wait.
Trump couldn't even find his ass if he used both hands. I am quite amused watching Dr. Fauci cut down Trump on a now regular basis during the Covid-19 briefings/press conferences; Dr. Fauci was interviewed recently and was asked about his reactions to and refutations of Trump's lies and bombast, doing so right in front of Trump's face; the Dr. said he wasn't trying to openly contradict Trump, he was just trying to make sure the plain facts regarding the crisis were made apparent to the US public; he also made a comment about how he was not trying to take the microphone out Trump's hands...
Oh, please, please, Dr. Fauci, please do take that mic so that we don't have to listen to the dribble and BS Trump spews; maybe once you find a way to rid the country of Covid-19, you and your fellow scientists can turn your attention to the malignant viral infection infesting the Oval Office...
<O>
Skybird
03-23-20, 10:05 AM
"Vaccine working in March 2021, in people's arms late summer 2021."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT6E9hDTotE
u crank
03-23-20, 10:41 AM
Trump couldn't even find his ass if he used both hands. I am quite amused watching Dr. Fauci cut down Trump on a now regular basis during the Covid-19 briefings/press conferences; Dr. Fauci was interviewed recently and was asked about his reactions to and refutations of Trump's lies and bombast, doing so right in front of Trump's face; the Dr. said he wasn't trying to openly contradict Trump, he was just trying to make sure the plain facts regarding the crisis were made apparent to the US public; he also made a comment about how he was not trying to take the microphone out Trump's hands...
Let's let the good doctor speak for himself. Here he is on CBS’s Face the Nation yesterday.
“There’s an issue here of where we’re coming from. The president has heard, as we all have heard, are what I call ‘anecdotal reports’ that certain drugs work. So, what he was trying to do and express, was the hope that it might work, let’s try and push their usage, I, on the other hand, am not disagreeing with the fact that, anecdotally, they might work. But my job is to prove definitively, from a scientific standpoint, that they do work. So I was taking a purely medical, scientific standpoint and the president was trying to bring hope to the people.”
“I think there’s this issue of trying to separate the two of us. There isn’t fundamentally a difference there. He’s coming from a hope, layperson’s standpoint. I’m coming from it from a scientific standpoint.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1241780902906265601
Oh, please, please, Dr. Fauci, please do take that mic so that we don't have to listen to the dribble and BS Trump spews; maybe once you find a way to rid the country of Covid-19, you and your fellow scientists can turn your attention to the malignant viral infection infesting the Oval Office...
Yea .. you know it is kinda funny. The Trump Derangement crowd has a problem. Like most people they want this crisis to pass. And they want it to pass with the least loss of life and the least economic and social disruption. But damn there is no way that they could live with the possibility that President Trump will get even a little credit for seeing America through this. I simply watch in amazement at this conundrum.
Rockstar
03-23-20, 10:43 AM
@Rockstar Does Trump know there is a connection between the west coast and Asia, despite what you see on most of the flat-earth maps.. :hmmm:
Your health officials and the super genius can go to hell, they are worth a piece of toilet paper... oh wait.
Hey at least we closed our borders to China on 23 January. You all are on the same land mass and finally got around to closing your borders just last week. Hence Europe's claim to fame as "The New Epicenter". And I thought our response was slow. But let me say when it comes to government response, viral infection and spread it appears to me your pot is just as black as my kettle. Dont let politics or an obsession with one man blind you to your own predicament.
Mr Quatro
03-23-20, 10:44 AM
Have any of y'all been tested negative or positive for Covid-19?
If it was positive then I'm sure you would've said something by now. :yep:
So how about tested period? Anyone?
Eichhörnchen
03-23-20, 11:28 AM
https://i.imgur.com/RGAByia.jpg
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 11:45 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/qMC947LR/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Rockstar
03-23-20, 11:49 AM
oh oh 3 confirmed case on Prince Edward Island. Probably a good time to set charges, blow the bridge and start hunting down those zombies.
Skybird
03-23-20, 11:50 AM
from: https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/gesundheit/coronavirus/aerztin-aus-china-findet-corona-schnelltests-unzuverlaessig-16692559.html?printPagedArticle=true#pageIndex_2
Chinese doctor Hui He-Gehr is a practicing doctor in child and adolescent psychiatry in a German hospital. Because of her origins, she dealt with the corona virus very early - and is amazed by Germany.
You work as a Chinese doctor in Germany and have been following the Chinese-language specialist media since the Covid 19 outbreak in Wuhan at the beginning of the year. Are you surprised by the current pandemic in Europe?
Yes, I would not have thought that local politics would have made this global pandemic possible in the first place due to a lack of preparation. None of this would have happened with real, early protection and quarantine measures.
Can you tell us something about the clinical pictures of Covid-19 that have been researched in China? How dangerous is the corona virus really?
The virus mainly nests in the lower airways, which is why the lungs are affected relatively early. It also attacks other organs such as the vessels, the gastrointestinal tract or the testicles. The latter can lead to infertility. So far there have been insufficient study results on the possible secondary diseases or permanent organ damage. Data from China has shown that compared to Sars 17 years ago, Covid-19 is less mortal. However, it spreads faster and more concealed because of a relatively long incubation period of around 14 days, during which you can already infect others without showing your own symptoms. It should also be noted that mild symptoms could worsen quickly, and Covid-19 mortality in the intensive care unit, according to studies from Wuhan, is up to 67 percent.
Is there any knowledge in China to what extent infected people become immune to Covid-19 - as long as there is no vaccine yet?
The data to date do not show any reliable effective immunity. One study from the Guangdong province shows a relapse rate of 14 percent, another from Wuhan even 60 percent in patients who were initially discharged as “cured” after a long hospital stay and double PCR testing and CT control.
The rapid tests for Covid-19 have proven to be an extremely unreliable diagnostic option in China. Is there a better way to diagnose?
The tests are indeed unreliable because the standard test (RT-PCR) shows a sensitivity of only 30 to 50 percent. In other words, 50 to 70 percent of infected patients remain undetected by the test. A combination of multiple tests and the use of CT images, which usually confirm lung damage earlier than the tests, appears best.
What protective measures would have to be taken to stop the pandemic while avoiding an economic crisis?
In addition to the usual hygienic measures such as washing hands and disinfection, the mouthguard is an effective and efficient method. The virus is mainly transmitted via droplets. A mouthguard does not provide sufficient protection against infection, but it does prevent people from being infected. Accordingly, you automatically protect each other as long as everyone is wearing a face mask in social contact. It doesn't have to be a mask. A scarf or piece of fabric is also sufficient to cover the mouth and nose area when speaking, sneezing and coughing. This also reduces the risk of the virus spreading lubricant because you rarely touch your nose and mouth. Accordingly, fewer viruses get onto different surfaces. The viruses are said to survive on metal for up to three days. By the way, these protective measures also apply to your own four walls if someone there is already infected or could be infected.
According to the latest figures from Italy, hospitals are apparently used to spread rather than contain the virus ...?
Unfortunately yes. Medical workers must be adequately protected with face mask and gloves. In the case of direct patient contact, a protective mask of category FFP2, ideally even protective clothing, is required. In China, transmission via the conjunctiva has been identified, which is why eye protection is imperative. The protective measures mentioned, for example, had not been introduced in Germany until recently or still are not. There are already doctors in Germany who have been infected at work. That shouldn't have happened.
Wasn't there a contact block in China similar to ours now?
The current ban on contacts intends to reduce the speed of new infections. In order to avoid new infections, one would have to introduce these protective measures and stop public life for at least one incubation period - i.e. 14 days. With our inconsistency, we only waste time unnecessarily to be able to return to normal life. What sense does it make if the children of "systemically important" parents can continue to go into childcare without protective measures? This increases the likelihood that children, educators and parents will mutually infect each other in a kind of vicious circle, especially if those parents are exposed to a high level of infection, for example as a doctor or police officer. In China, all childcare offers were consistently discontinued.
Is there any hope of ending the virus crisis this year? What happens in winter if there is no vaccination protection by then?
If effective immunity is still not possible, there will probably be another wave in winter. So there is no way around a change in social behavior.
Are there any healing methods?
So far, there is no uniform treatment regimen in China, but only guidelines that propose different procedures. A few drugs from the environment HIV, Ebola, malaria, hepatitis and flu have shown positive effects. The treatment was combined with TCM methods, which is correspondingly difficult to transfer to Europe. Infected people with severe symptoms need to be treated in the intensive care unit. In bad cases, they have to be kept alive by ECMO - an external artificial heart-lung system.
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Hui He-Gehr is a practicing doctor in child and adolescent psychiatry in a German hospital. She studied medicine at the University of Heidelberg and has lived in Germany for over 20 years.
Skybird
03-23-20, 11:57 AM
^ "no reliable effective immunity".
I shuddered when reading that. If that gets confimed by further data, we are even deeper in the mess.
Mr Quatro
03-23-20, 12:00 PM
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIF.ubp5yWiK8xMTM99sdS0OWw?w=263&h=160&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7
Is there any hope of ending the virus crisis this year? What happens in winter if there is no vaccination protection by then?
If effective immunity is still not possible, there will probably be another wave in winter. So there is no way around a change in social behavior.
I was thinking the same thing Sky, but this was the first time I found anyone agreeing ... there will probably be a 2nd wave. Covid-19 is still not understood with two strains.
The fear, and that's what it really is, will be back by Christmas of 2020 with everyone giving hand sanitizer and TP for presents,
even if the virus has already peaked I predict the worse Christmas (Holiday to some) season our country has ever experienced since WWII. :yep:
And the conspiracy keeps on coming.
Before I turned my computer off I saw a few of my FB-friends had posted a bulletin with a link to someone who claimed the new 5G net is responsible for this Corona outbreak
:nope:
Markus
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 12:36 PM
McDonald's will close all 1,270 of its restaurants in the UK by the end of Monday, as fears over the spread of coronavirus escalate.
Nando's has also said it has closed its approximately 400 restaurants in the UK "until further notice".
Costa Coffee, sushi chain Itsu and sandwich bar Subway also planned to close their UK branches on Monday.
Rockstar
03-23-20, 12:57 PM
Have any of y'all been tested negative or positive for Covid-19?
If it was positive then I'm sure you would've said something by now. :yep:
So how about tested period? Anyone?
Well, here's something new. I went out 7 days ago to pick up some fruit and veggies at the local market. Two days ago I recall I had a sudden onset that kind of nasal congestion which makes ya wanna hock a loogie but I couldn't. Though congestion went away shortly after I tried too clear it. That night I awoke throwing the covers off thinking damn is hot in here, but it didn't occur to me then it may have a been a fever. Today upper chest is kinda heavy but lungs feel clear with somewhat of a dry cough. Could it be? :o
The way I feel now I have no intention to go to the doctor. Just gonna stay home and take it easy.
Mr Quatro
03-23-20, 01:06 PM
Well, here's something new. I went out 7 days ago to pick up some fruit and veggies at the local market. Two days ago I recall I had a sudden onset that kind of nasal congestion which makes ya wanna hock a loogie but I couldn't. Though congestion went away shortly after I tried too clear it. That night I awoke throwing the covers off thinking damn is hot in here, but it didn't occur to me then it may have a been a fever. Today upper chest is kinda heavy but lungs feel clear with somewhat of a dry cough. Could it be? :o
The way I feel now I have no intention to go to the doctor. Just gonna stay home and take it easy.
Get tested! That's how mine got started 6 weeks ago and I'm just now coming out of it ...
Don't know if I had it no way to get tested yet, but remember Rand Paul had no symptoms and he had it.
Better safe than sorry :yep:
Fubar2Niner
03-23-20, 01:15 PM
So Boris says "social distancing", is of the utmost importance! So what does Khan do? Cut train & bus services, close stations. Now we see people rammed onto trains within one or two feet of each other.
I can already see the answer, "Work from home!". Well Mr. Kahn lets see you drag a three ton print press into your lounge. Or perhaps a 75 feet tower crane !!!
u crank
03-23-20, 01:17 PM
oh oh 3 confirmed case on Prince Edward Island. Probably a good time to set charges, blow the bridge and start hunting down those zombies.
:D
There's a ferry and two airports as well. All entry points are now being screened and all arrivals are being asked to self isolate for two weeks. The three cases are quarantined at home and are not to my knowledge very sick.
How these three residents got infected shows just how far reaching this virus has become. The three were all travelling abroad and returned from the Caribbean, the UK and Spain. All effort is being made to contact the other passengers on those flights if they are Canadian.
Today is the wife's last day at the office. They will be working from home and no customers have been allowed in their office for over a week. Almost everything is shut down here except grocery and drug stores.
PEI is heavily dependent on the summer tourist trade so people are going to be getting anxious. Here in Charlottetown the cruise ship season is a big economic factor. Some weeks there are three or four big ones in for the day. That's been cancelled until this blows over.
Life has changed no question...
My trip into the town.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2656593&postcount=3038
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 01:37 PM
Well, here's something new. I went out 7 days ago to pick up some fruit and veggies at the local market. Two days ago I recall I had a sudden onset that kind of nasal congestion which makes ya wanna hock a loogie but I couldn't. Though congestion went away shortly after I tried too clear it. That night I awoke throwing the covers off thinking damn is hot in here, but it didn't occur to me then it may have a been a fever. Today upper chest is kinda heavy but lungs feel clear with somewhat of a dry cough. Could it be? :o
The way I feel now I have no intention to go to the doctor. Just gonna stay home and take it easy.
Fingers crossed for you.
u crank
03-23-20, 01:47 PM
Could it be? :o
Hoping it isn't.
The way I feel now I have no intention to go to the doctor. Just gonna stay home and take it easy.
Have you taken your temperature?
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 01:51 PM
Boris is to make todays public announcement at 8:30pm GMT
No doubt social distancing measures will be toughened but maybe a total lock down even.
Boris is to make todays public announcement at 8:30pm GMT
No doubt social distancing measures will be toughened but maybe a total lock down even.
Stand by for total lock down.....:hmmm:
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 02:15 PM
I'm not so sure but it is definitely a possibility.
I'm not so sure but it is definitely a possibility.
If not now jim its going to happen, oh what strange times we live in now.
Eichhörnchen
03-23-20, 02:24 PM
My wife just heard from a UK friend who says that in her locality gangs of youths are congregating outside supermarkets to spit and cough in the faces of elderly shoppers
Just read that arrests have beern made after a woman in her 70s received a black eye. There was also damage to a car (her car?) plus another older man suffered bruises after he intervened.
Teenagers aged 16, 18 and 19 were arrested then released "Under investigation"... Police want witnesses
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 02:32 PM
Just read that arrests have beern made after a woman in her 70s received a black eye. There was also damage to a car (her car?) plus another older man suffered bruises after he intervened.
Teenagers aged 16, 18 and 19 were arrested then released "Under investigation"... Police want witnesses
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8143313/Three-teenagers-arrested-Hitchin-Hertfordshire-coughing-pensioners-face-black-eye.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8143313/Three-teenagers-arrested-Hitchin-Hertfordshire-coughing-pensioners-face-black-eye.html
Some thoughts regarding this behaviour
During peacetime ordinary law is in order
Most of the European countries are in something which could be seen as state of emergency. Shouldn't some of their law or laws be replaced with military laws or emergency laws.
We have the same problem here in Denmark..crooks using this crisis Denmark are in. They rob elderly or commit other types of crime.
Markus
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 02:56 PM
Some thoughts regarding this behaviour
During peacetime ordinary law is in order
Most of the European countries are in something which could be seen as state of emergency. Shouldn't some of their law or laws be replaced with military laws or emergency laws.
We have the same problem here in Denmark..crooks using this crisis Denmark are in. They rob elderly or commit other types of crime.
Markus
Coming under military jurisdiction would be the last resort Markus and I doubt many if any in the UK want to see that happen.
Coming under military jurisdiction would be the last resort Markus and I doubt many if any in the UK want to see that happen.
You are right Military jurisdiction is not the answer.
But a strengthening of some law should be made.
Example
1 year for robbing elderly should be increases to 3 years instead.
Markus
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 03:06 PM
You are right Military jurisdiction is not the answer.
But a strengthening of some law should be made.
Example
1 year for robbing elderly should be increases to 3 years instead.
Markus
Current sentencing guidelines advise that the sentence should be no longer than 20 years, for a high-harm, high-culpability robbery with other aggravating factors. The "starting point" sentences are: Low-harm, low-culpability street robbery: 1 year. Medium-harm, medium-culpability street robbery: 4 years.
Fubar2Niner
03-23-20, 03:09 PM
I think martial law would be a no no in most peoples eyes. However something needs to be done regarding the dregs of humanity that are doing this kind of thing to anyone. Doing this to the old should mean being locked in a room with three homicidal maniacs !
Eichhörnchen
03-23-20, 03:15 PM
Bit harsh :haha:
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 03:16 PM
I think martial law would be a no no in most peoples eyes. However something needs to be done regarding the dregs of humanity that are doing this kind of thing to anyone. Doing this to the old should mean being locked in a room with three homicidal maniacs !
Just a couple of the victims family members should suffice :03:
Let me put it this way
When a country is in a crisis, like now where most of the European countries are in health crisis, aggravating circumstances should be imposed when convicting a suspect of a crime s/he has committed, if they have taken advantage of this crisis and exploited elderly or weak people.
Markus
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 03:30 PM
Let me put it this way
When a country is in a crisis, like now where most of the European countries are in health crisis, aggravating circumstances should be imposed when convicting a suspect of a crime s/he has committed, if they have taken advantage of this crisis and exploited elderly or weak people.
Markus
Back in the day they were lined up against a wall and shot or hung from the nearest tree but I can't see that happening in western countries anymore.
Rockstar
03-23-20, 03:37 PM
Really good information on immunity, testing and the possibility of reinfection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4P91VrfPGw
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 03:40 PM
The prime minister is announcing strict new curbs on life in the UK to tackle the spread of coronavirus.
From this evening people must stay at home except for shopping for basic necessities, daily exercise, any medical need and travelling to and from essential work.
Shops selling non-essential goods will also be shut and gatherings in public of more than two people who do not live together prohibited.
The UK death toll has reached 335.
If people do not follow the rules police will have the powers to enforce them, including through fines and dispersing gatherings, Boris Johnson said in a televised statement from Downing Street.
Other premises including libraries, playgrounds and outdoor gyms, and places of worship must also close immediately.
Parks will remain open for exercise but gatherings will be dispersed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432
Well, there you have it and the public have brought it all upon themselves.
Well, there you have it and the public have brought it all upon themselves.
Stand by for riots.....Hope not but..
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 03:51 PM
Typical....ever the optimist.
Eichhörnchen
03-23-20, 03:54 PM
There you go, STEED... it was no use you joining the local library to get hold of some paper after all...
Typical....ever the optimist.
Liberalism has made people soft and selfish, just hope they don't but i have very little faith.
There you go, STEED... it was no use you joining the local library to get hold of some paper after all...
I got lots of books to read oh wait I see where you are coming from EIch. :o
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 04:05 PM
That will be the quickest way to bring the army onto the streets because there's certainly not enough police to deal with it.
That will be the quickest way to bring the army onto the streets because there's certainly not enough police to deal with it.
The chickens have come to Tory home to roost.
Jimbuna
03-23-20, 04:15 PM
The chickens have come to Tory home to roost.
To reply to that in a fitting manner would necessitate me infracting myself :nope:
Fubar2Niner
03-23-20, 04:27 PM
So an inch away from complete lockdown, but who exactly is allowed to work and who isn't, massive question, and as yet unanswered.
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