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Skybird

04-29-20, 08:49 AM

In several nations there are growing concerns amongst doctors about a steep growth in unexplained imflammatory symptoms in children, a link is being made to Covid-19 infections and the immune system "over-reacting" to it. The body gets damaged by the immune system trying to strike back too hard against the virus.

But open the schools, and kindergardens, just go ahead.

I get the impression that when people talk about finding ways to adapt to living with the virus and to find a modus operandi until a vaccine is there, they indeed only mean: "lets simply switch back to 'normal' as it was before the virus, and consider that our adapted behaviour".

Meanwhile more and more economic bills get opened by economists, showing what enormous havoc the crisis is causing. Its difficult to separate serious calculatoro from simple scaremongers currently. And then there are those who call out a greater fire in order to claim biggest possible state compewnsations for themselves, benefitting from the crisis this way.

And Merkel wants even more fuel spilled into the fire, by even increasing climate goals for the reactivation process of the economy.

Thank God that money just rains from the heavens.

Jimbuna

04-29-20, 09:34 AM

^ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52003804

An urgent alert was issued to GPs after several children presented with symptoms similar to Kawasaki disease - a potentially fatal syndrome that affects blood vessels - including a high temperature, low blood pressure, a rash and difficulty breathing.

The syndrome appeared to be similar to the over-active immune response, known as a "cytokine storm", seen in adults with Covid-19. In many cases it seems it's the body's immune response rather than the virus itself that proves life-threatening.

But these symptoms identified in children are rare events - known to affect about 20 children so far - and not all of them tested positive for Covid-19.

It remains the case that, overall, older people are at higher risk from coronavirus. It's far rarer for children to have severe symptoms.

Although extremely rare, there have been a small number cases of children who have become very ill and died.

Jimbuna

04-29-20, 09:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvSqHONt4tA

Jimbuna

04-29-20, 10:06 AM

A further 445 coronavirus-related hospital deaths have been announced in England, taking the total to 19,740.
The deaths included a patient aged 14 with no known underlying health conditions.

In Wales, a further 73 people have died after testing positive for the virus, taking the total number of deaths there to 886.

The UK government has pledged more than £1.5bn over the next five years as part of international efforts to find a Covid-19 vaccine.

The UK has repatriated 1.3 million people since the coronavirus outbreak, Foreign Office minister Nigel Adams has said.
Among those, Mr Adams said 200,000 British nationals had returned from Spain and 50,000 from Australia in the past month alone.
He added that the UK planned to bring back thousands more travellers in the next week on charter flights, including from Bangladesh, Nigeria and New Zealand.

The biggest study of Covid-19 patients in the UK shows a third admitted to hospital have died.
Just under half have been discharged, with the rest still being treated.

The US economy sank at an annual rate of 4.8% during the first quarter, according to official figures released on Wednesday. It is the most severe contraction in more than a decade.
More than 26 million people in the US have filed for unemployment. Forecasters expect growth to contract 30% or more in the three months to June.

In Germany, Economy Minister Peter Altmaier said the pandemic will send the country's economy into the worst recession since World War Two.
The country's GDP is expected to shrink by 6.3%.

Free visa extensions are to be automatically granted to more overseas health and care workers in the UK, Home Secretary Priti Patel has said.

Ukraine's national airline has cancelled a special flight taking seasonal contract workers to the UK, where they can earn four times as much as at home.

The Ukraine International Airlines (UIA) flight was scheduled to leave Kiev for London today. But with very short notice, the state aviation agency barred the flight.
Over a hundred Ukrainians, most of whom have six-month work permits in the UK, were left stuck at the airport.

The death toll in India has sadly passed 1,000, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Wednesday saw the largest daily death toll yet with 73 fatalities recorded.
Over 31,000 cases have been confirmed in the country.

MPs in Uganda who allocated themselves a total of 10bn Ugandan shillings ($2.6m; £2m) to raise awareness about coronavirus have been ordered to hand back the money.
Each MP was set to get the equivalent of $5,000, although some rejected the cash.
Uganda's President Yoweri Museveni criticised the MPs and called their decision to allocate funding to themselves "morally reprehensible".

Mr Quatro

04-29-20, 11:16 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-submarine-commander-relieved-of-duty-after-dockside-bbq-party/ar-BB13n7U6

British submarine commander relieved of duty after dockside BBQ party

A British submarine commander was relieved of his duty Tuesday after he allowed his crew to have a small party on a pier, the BBC reported.

Jonathan Lewis was, until recently, commander of the HMS Trenchant, a nuclear-powered submarine in the Royal Navy, according to the BBC. Now, however, he’s set to be reassigned following an internal investigation.

That probe was launched after videos posted to Twitter showed the crew of the HMS Trenchant hanging out on a dock and having a barbecue together during the UK’s coronavirus lockdown.

Jimbuna

04-29-20, 11:27 AM

The number of people who have died with coronavirus in the UK has passed 26,000, as official figures include deaths in the community, such as in care homes, for the first time.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52478085

Skybird

04-29-20, 02:45 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-submarine-commander-relieved-of-duty-after-dockside-bbq-party/ar-BB13n7U6

British submarine commander relieved of duty after dockside BBQ party
If this is only the crew that is aboard that submarine anyway and thus literally "in the same Corona boat anyway", I see not really a problem there.

If outsiders, dockworkers, externals were allowe din, it would be something diofferent. But whether these men are cramped togather on a boat or on a pier makes no difference regarding Corona.

Or is a tame party like this considered indecent behaviour in the HMS...?

Rockstar

04-29-20, 03:48 PM

:oDr. Seheult explains the theory that seems most plausible to us here at MedCram.com: That COVID-19 is primarily a disease of the endothelium (the single layer of cells that line blood and lymphatic vessels). This hypothesis helps explain the increase in cardiovascular complications from COVID-19: strokes, myocardial infarctions, thromboembolism (pulmonary embolism, DVTs, and other blood clots), as well as many critical patients who do not appear to have classic ARDS symptoms (and have relatively normal lung compliance etc. as observed by the research of Dr. Gattinoni in Italy and others). A deep understanding of this theory requires a review of some foundational biochemistry including the electron transport chain and ATP - the energy currency of the body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj2vB_VITXQ

Reckon its why we no longer hear anyone cryin' over a shortage of ventilators. They just dont seem to be as effective as everyone thought they would be.

mapuc

04-29-20, 05:34 PM

(I think I may have mentioned it before in this thread)

I do not have any degree in virology or similar, so what I post now is based on all what I have read the last 3-4 days here and other places in cyberspace and my standpoint.

You have to admire our nature-capable to invent such a virus which can create havoc among the infected young as old and mostly those who have an underlying disease.

I would say this virus have some kind of intelligence

Markus

Skybird

04-30-20, 04:06 AM

Russia, the largest wheat exporter in the world for several years, has temporarily stopped supplying the global grain market. The export freeze came with an announcement: Moscow had already decided at the end of March to limit sales of wheat, rye, barley and corn to countries outside the Eurasian Economic Union, which included five post-Soviet countries, from April to the end of June to only seven million tons.

This quota was exhausted at the end of April. In view of rising grain prices on the world market and a weak ruble, sales abroad are particularly attractive for Russian agricultural companies. Exactly for this reason, exports were restricted as a precaution: the Russian government wants to protect the domestic market from rising bread prices and possible shortages.

source: DW

Russia main exports are wepaons, corn, and oil/gas. Oil-gas prices are down, in times of Covid military goods are no export hit, and now grains are no more sold. The russian export banks estimates that profits from exports this year will fall by 40% And even in 2022 still will be below last year's levels.

Financially, this might become difficult for Putin to solve. But he is not alone with such problems.

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The chief of the German RKI said in today'S press conference: "This virus has several characteristics that I do not want to expose anybody to, not myself nor my children. Those people talking of enforcing herd immunity, are absolutely naive." He further said: "We are just at the beginning of a marathon." The crisis will only end if an vaccine gets found, especially since many experts expect a second outbreak in autumn, "if not even a third one".

There you have it - German humour. It excels in being absent. :-?

ikalugin

04-30-20, 04:18 AM

The ban on exports is there for food security, we did it before back in early 10s (2011?).

That is - we do not want to export all our grain and have food shortages later.

Skybird

04-30-20, 04:21 AM

The ban on exports is there for food security, we did it before back in early 10s (2011?).

That is - we do not want to export all our grain and have food shortages later.
Yes, I understood it that way.

Skybird

04-30-20, 04:35 AM

South Korea reports a new ifneciton number of "0".

A number of new growing clusters got identified in Noth-Eastern provinces in China. The Chinese government already builds information walls again.

The R-value in Germany had dropped to 0.76 today, they say. Reasons for the huge variations are now real numbers, but statistical residues based on the methodology.

A new study by the Belrin Charité finds that children shpwing now symtpoims enverthelessa are as ifnectous as adults. So apparently "healthy" children neverthelss do spread the io9fneciton. School opüenoings in light of this now proven result aüppüear top be much more risky than cna be comfortable for anyone.

Indeed errlier this week a girl in school here in my hometown tested positive after just one week of limited, controlled school courses in reduced classes for graduates only. She and her family is in quarantine now, of course. They then tested all the school: all students already going to school again, and all teachers, and all their families. Don'T know what became of it, still: 1 week. 1 case. Booom.

Skybird

04-30-20, 04:58 AM

How they fly in the future.
https://www.dw.com/en/social-distance-flying-the-new-normal/a-53287730

Jimbuna

04-30-20, 05:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvSqHONt4tA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1grs8axbeE8

Jimbuna

04-30-20, 05:20 AM

Lockdowns in response to the pandemic will see global emissions fall by a record 8%, the International Energy Agency says.

But IEA head Fatih Birol adds: “Given the number of deaths and the economic trauma... this historic decline in global emissions is absolutely nothing to cheer”

UK minister suggests testing target of 100,000 tests a day will be missed as Boris Johnson leads Cabinet for first time since virus recovery.

South Korea recorded no new domestically transmitted cases of Covid-19 on Wednesday - four new cases were all imported.

There is "clear-cut" evidence that a drug called Remdesivir can help people recover, say US officials.

War-torn Yemen records its first two coronavirus deaths, amid warnings it is ill-prepared for widespread infection.

There have been more than 3.1 million confirmed cases worldwide and a quarter of a million deaths of people with Covid-19

ikalugin

04-30-20, 05:21 AM

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/04/29/85144-eto-shtorm

Interesting article by an opposition newspaper on the COVID-19/SARS-2 in the hospitals.

Jimbuna

04-30-20, 05:36 AM

The French government has announced €20m (£17m; $22m) for pro-cycling measures, including more cycle lanes and a €50 voucher for repairing a bike. Businesses reopen on 11 May and there is concern that many people, fearing catching coronavirus on public transport, may use their cars, creating more traffic jams

In Belgium there is a new scheme to create 40km (25 miles) of cycle lanes in central Brussels, which suffers from traffic jams.

Russia reports another record rise in coronavirus cases: its total is now above 106,000, after a 7% increase in cases in one day. Officially the number of Covid-19 deaths is 1,073

Germany’s respected Robert Koch Institute (RKI) says the German infection rate – also called the reproduction or R rate - has dropped to 0.75, from 1. The figure 1 is important: anything above that means the virus could spread again exponentially. At 0.75 it means 10 infected people will on average infect 7.5 others.

Portugal is to announce a detailed plan for easing its lockdown in phases. It is expected to allow small local shops and hairdressers to reopen from Monday. The pandemic has hit Portugal far less hard than its neighbour Spain.

People living in the Spanish capital, Madrid, are now able to watch films from their balconies after the local government introduced a new moving cinema.
It consists of huge screens that will move to a different neighbourhood every evening, allowing people to watch a film from their balconies despite the ongoing lockdown.

ikalugin

04-30-20, 08:06 AM

Yea, we are still having growth in cases, particularly in Moscow, I am still wearing my PPE equipment though I did switch to cheaper particular filters from by CBRN canister.

Pic related.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472196608788791318/705396535151820880/image0.jpg

Jimbuna

04-30-20, 08:46 AM

More than 3.8 million people submitted new claims for US unemployment benefits last week.

Boris Johnson is due to lead the UK's press briefing later - his first since returning to work after recovering from coronavirus.

The coronavirus outbreak has now led to 30 million Americans losing their jobs since mid-March.

Lockdowns in response to the pandemic will see global emissions fall by a record 8%, the International Energy Agency says.

But IEA head Fatih Birol adds: “Given the number of deaths and the economic trauma... this historic decline in global emissions is absolutely nothing to cheer”

UK may miss its target of 100,000 tests a day, minister suggests, as PM Boris Johnson leads Cabinet for first time since virus recovery.

Eurozone economy shrinks at the sharpest pace on record in first quarter of 2020 because of lockdowns.

South Korea recorded no new domestically transmitted cases of Covid-19 on Wednesday - four new cases were all imported.

Mr Quatro

04-30-20, 08:48 AM

Thank you for your updates Jim I get more information out of you than I do watching the news :yep:

ikalugin

04-30-20, 09:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1AUE8PowLw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuirMcVBR9o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1AUE8PowLw)
PR videos for some of the MoD's new infectious disease centers, they are building a network of them around the country.

It is interesting to see how each patient gets a separate air locked room.

Skybird

04-30-20, 09:19 AM

Onkel Neal

04-30-20, 09:29 AM

Mr Quatro

04-30-20, 09:35 AM

PR videos for some of the MoD's new infectious disease centers, they are building a network of them around the country.

It is interesting to see how each patient gets a separate air locked room.

Wow! Sounds like a great idea air locked rooms I thought of this for old antique cars too :yep:

What a difference 70 years makes for Russia to care about it's citizens :hmmm:

Jimbuna

04-30-20, 09:36 AM

Thank you for your updates Jim I get more information out of you than I do watching the news :yep:

No problem matey. Tis nice to know that someone reads them :up:

Jimbuna

04-30-20, 09:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAos2xtbkcI

ikalugin

04-30-20, 10:26 AM

Wow! Sounds like a great idea air locked rooms I thought of this for old antique cars too :yep:

What a difference 70 years makes for Russia to care about it's citizens :hmmm:

I think it is also about the future - ie with the new colonisation of Africa we are probably going to see many, many fun novel infections in the near to mid future.

Jimbuna

04-30-20, 10:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJX6o6cVO30

ikalugin

04-30-20, 11:23 AM

https://www.rbc.ru/society/30/04/2020/5eaad1149a7947dbf57ca265?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
Making mask wearing compulsory in public in many regions of Russia.

ikalugin

04-30-20, 11:54 AM

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8380247?utm_campaign=u-premier-ministra-mihaila-mishustina-dia

Russian PM down with COVID-19/SARS-2.

Skybird

04-30-20, 03:11 PM

The Donaldinarium has started rotating again in a bid to perform once again what it is best at: fabricating wanted reality.

After they put the US intel services under pressure to find evidence that support the adminstration's view that China has created and let escape the virus from a lab, German media however quote the chief of the office of national intelligence services ODNI with that one agrees with "the broad scientific consensus that the Covid 19 virus was neither created by humans nor genetically modified" - somethign that various intel services already said and indicated earlier this month. And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff earlier this month said so far all known evidence shows that the virus is of natural origin and has seen no genetic manipulation from man.

I am all for examinining the theory of a lab escape and the theory of the virus being a biological weapon - these are two possivle exploanatiosn amongst severla others and must be checked and either proven or dismissed. So far they are beign dismissed - by thjose runnign the researches and exam inations, also by the medical experts and virologists, inside and outside the US. But it is clear, if one speaks Trumpian (and by now there is no excuse anymore to not being fluent in this tongue), that the Donaldinarian circus has decided to make a rejected-by-the-facts theory its wanted narration nevertheless to "explain" truth and to fabricate a reality that meets its agenda.

What China needs to be penalised for, is its manipulative, lying information policy. The numbers they report are not worth the paper they are printed on. For their tactical games, thousands and thousands pay with their health, and quite some with their lives - people who might have escaped the torture if in-time information by China would have allowed earlier reaction and adaptation. Which of course would not have made a difference in countries like he Donaldinarian circus, but maybe in some others with less irresponsible clowns at the helm .

mapuc

04-30-20, 03:35 PM

If I understand this correctly, the Chinese authorities wasn't/isn't interested in developing a vaccine

If this is correct-the question is why ?

Wang said the National Health Commission 'unequivocally requires that any tests, clinical data, test results, conclusions related to the epidemic shall not be posted on social media platforms, nor shall [it] be disclosed to any media outlets including government official media, nor shall [it] be disclosed to partner institutions.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210951/Beijing-authorities-hushed-findings-Chinese-scientist.html

Markus

Mr Quatro

04-30-20, 05:00 PM

German media however quote the chief of the office of national intelligence services ODNI with that one agrees with "the broad scientific consensus that the Covid 19 virus was neither created by humans nor genetically modified" - somethign that various intel services already said and indicated earlier this month. And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff earlier this month said so far all known evidence shows that the virus is of natural origin and has seen no genetic manipulation from man.

I am all for examinining the theory of a lab escape and the theory of the virus being a biological weapon - these are two possivle exploanatiosn amongst severla others and must be checked and either proven or dismissed.
So far they are beign dismissed - by thjose runnign the researches and exam inations, also by the medical experts and virologists, inside and outside the US.

What China needs to be penalised for, is its manipulative, lying information policy. The numbers they report are not worth the paper they are printed on. For their tactical games, thousands and thousands pay with their health, and quite some with their lives - people who might have escaped the torture if in-time information by China would have allowed earlier reaction and adaptation.

If you would use spell check you wouldn't have all of those little red squiggly lines under your words. I deleted your rant against our president which is of course allowed in our country to signal which side you are on.

The part that I bolded refers to a statement of the virus is of a natural origin ... if so then this planet would've been void of life a long time ago.

If you and I are correct that it is a bio-weapon gone wrong then the lying Chinese have put the blame on a live animal market in the same city, but the bats in question did not come from that area, which leaves the lab experimented with the bats that contributed to the virus and then sold the animals (plus other animals) to the market to make some pocket change.

After all the evidence is in on who to blame what good will that do? China will never pay any claims and may even threaten war.

I believe that every country should stop trying to save a buck or two and get ready for the next speed bump that needs medicine, hospitals, beds, respirators, mask, gloves, vehicles to transport and labs to test, plus emergency plans to care about the disabled citizens of that country.

Expensive? Yes, but so is not being ready for this world wide calimanity costing in the trillions. Cut out the middle man of China to punish their ill gotten ways even if it cost each country more to develop their own solutions.

Our country will never be the same ... the all clear will more than likely be worse than the first wave. This summer is just the intermission of a very serious problem that will continue on even after a shot to cure getting Covid-19 and or a shot to heal patients with the virus.

Common cold still here, Flu type A, B, C, and D still here ... cold medicine still here, flu shots still here, people still dying still here. :yep:

mapuc

04-30-20, 05:53 PM

When you need an article, you can't find it.

It was a Danish article in which they wrote WHO was supporting The Swedish Covid-19 politics and other countries should do the same.

When I read it, I was thinking...many have criticized Sweden for this.
Is WHO correct in this ?

Edit
found it and even so an English article

I think if we are to reach a new normal, Sweden represents a model if we wish to get back to a society in which we don’t have lockdowns,” Ryan said.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/

End edit

Markus

Skybird

04-30-20, 07:32 PM

The WHO, like so many other UN departments, is deeply lobbyistic, corrupted and dominated by a few players in the background. In case of the WHO, that is China.

Maybe United Nations should be renamed into Universal Rot.

On Covid 19, the WHO was not ust weeks but months late in recoignising it as a pandemic, the WHO was absurd in its recommendatiosn and advices to the public, the WHO was incompetent, the WHO was delaying, the WHO was glossing over. And all that time and again, for weeks. I am sick and tired of their bull. Which fits nicely into my general view of all of the UN, and my opinion that bureaucratic monster organisations of the size like these are inefficient, a woin derful playgroudn for bribery and corruption, and a fantastic hideout for incompetent but overpaid networking career technocrats. I just do not trust nor beleive in supranational organisations, most of the time at least. They are bigger than big states, and I already do not like "big state". ;)

Skybird

04-30-20, 07:38 PM

If you and I are correct that it is a bio-weapon gone wrong then the lying Chinese have put the blame on a live animal market in the same city, but the bats in question did not come from that area, which leaves the lab experimented with the bats that contributed to the virus and then sold the animals (plus other animals) to the market to make some pocket change.

I do not believe the bio weapon or the lab escape theory anymore. Due to the research done on the virus itself - and the results not indicating that such work was done on it.

Rockstar

04-30-20, 07:43 PM

I like Joe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJYEk1pTLIU

Jimbuna

05-01-20, 04:52 AM

More than 1,014,000 people known to have had the virus globally have recovered, Johns Hopkins University says.

It remains unclear how many people who were not tested have also made a recovery.

US President Donald Trump says he has seen evidence the virus originated in a lab in Wuhan, without giving details.

However, US intelligence agencies conclude the virus was not man-made or genetically modified.

The UK government says it is "likely to get very close to or meet" its target of 100,000 daily coronavirus tests.

Some Australian states are easing their restrictions as the number of cases fall, starting with the Northern Territory.

Skybird

05-01-20, 05:30 AM

Yale study claims number of corona deaths up to twice as high as previously assumed.

https://www.businessinsider.com/yale-study-excess-deaths-nearly-twice-official-covid-19-count-2020-4?r=DE&IR=T

Jimbuna

05-01-20, 06:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUkDe7g2eM0

Jimbuna

05-01-20, 06:35 AM

May Day like no other for Europe

In France, it is usually a day of union marches when people buy lily of the valley from the local florists. But florists are shut, and instead people will bang on pots and pans on balconies, as they do every evening, and there will be online protests.

A three-hour live streamed protest is planned in Germany, although some mini-demos are planned in Berlin. One party leader, Christian Lindner, says it should be a day for jobs rather than Labour Day, as more than 10 million workers have signed up to a German state salary scheme.

Portugal's main union federation will hold events in 24 towns, but only union officials will attend.

Protesters in Greece have maintained social distancing with a rally outside parliament in Athens, defying the government's plea for the day to be postponed until 9 May.

In Austria, 1 May is the day for all shops, hairdressers and beauty salons to reopen, but most are likely to stay closed for the day.

May Day in Finland is normally a big deal, with communal picnics and rallies. Now it's all moved online with a broad array of political speeches going out instead on social media.

Italian President Sergio Mattarrella has given a May Day address. "There can be no Republic without work... Because work is a condition of freedom, dignity and autonomy for people."

Jimbuna

05-01-20, 06:49 AM

New data released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows that the rate of deaths involving Covid-19 is roughly twice as high in the most deprived areas of England and Wales than in the least deprived.

In a sign of the challenge post-lockdown life will pose for many countries, the head of the UK's biggest airport - Heathrow - has warned that introducing social distancing at airports is "physically impossible".

Every day, more cars are appearing on the roads of the Chinese capital, and residents are now starting to see a phenomenon which they’d not experienced for over three months… traffic jams.

The Czech Republic has launched its "smart quarantine" system of contact-tracing using a mobile phone app.

Iran's death toll from Covid-19 increased by 63 in the past 24 hours to 6,091, Reuters quotes health ministry spokesman Kianush Jahanpur as saying in a statement carried on state TV on Friday.

In France, the government has released a map on which it is basing its strategy of lifting the lockdown.
It shows the areas that have been worst-hit by the pandemic and where hospitals are under the most strain.
The regions are broken down into red, yellow and green, indicating which have been the worst affected.
The “green zones” will be able to lift some restrictions more rapidly, the government says.
There were 289 deaths in France on Thursday, bringing the total to 24,376.

https://i.postimg.cc/J0XRXRBf/8f977195-db77-44e5-a79f-893e34c53576.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Spain's coronavirus death toll rose to 24,824 on Friday as 281 more people died from causes related to the disease. The previous day's death toll was 268.
The country's health ministry added that the number of new Covid-19 cases rose to a total of 215,216 from 213,435 the day before.

The first professional tennis tournament of the Covid-19 era is set to begin on Friday in Germany.
The four-day Tennis Point series, in Koblenz, will be played without fans, line judges, ball girls and boys or handshakes, although it will be televised live.

The first train carrying migrant workers stranded by a nationwide lockdown in India has left the southern state of Telangana.
Some 1,200 workers are on the non-stop train to Jharkhand state in the east. Each carriage is carrying 54 passengers instead of the usual 72 to maintain social distancing, officials say.

Dozens of street performers and children’s entertainers protested on the streets of Mexico City on Thursday, demanding financial support from the government while they were out of work.
“Clowns need support” was one of the chants.

The majority of health workers in Kenya have been forced to reuse personal protective equipment (PPE), according to a study by Kenya Legal and Ethical Issues Network (Kelin).

Mr Quatro

05-01-20, 06:54 AM

Two (2) more years! :o

I believe ... this is not fear to stay at home and order food
and groceries this is wisdom :up:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-to-likely-last-two-years-new-report-says

Coronavirus to likely last two years, new report says

The coronavirus pandemic will likely not be controlled until two-thirds of the world’s population is immune to the disease and countries should be prepared “for possible periodic" outbreaks over the next two years, a new study said.

ARE COVID TOES A REAL SYMPTOM?

Bloomberg reported that a study from the Center for Infectious Disease Research at the University of Minnesota suggested that there are several reasons why COVID-19 containment will be so challenging. Among them is the theory that those not showing symptoms may be most infectious.

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It has been widely reported that without a proven treatment, vaccine or cure, governments will have to limit social interaction.

The coronavirus is considered highly contagious and most dangerous for the elderly population and those with comorbidities. Health officials in the U.S. believe that shelter-in-place orders contributed to a lower-than-expected infection rate.

Skybird

05-01-20, 07:10 AM

I beleive that those will be shown right who claimed from very early on that this Corona virus will join the chorus of other Corona virusses and become integral part of the seasonal music that we have every year. It will not go away. We will just become more competent in handling it.

What we now need for a perfect doomsday recipe is another Corona wave meeting a one week power blackout. That could indeed catapult us back a century or so.

I think this is the big inherent risk of Covid 19. It leaves us so little room for handling other eventualities.

Jimbuna

05-01-20, 08:39 AM

Downing Street says setting the target of 100,000 coronavirus tests per day had been “very effective” in increasing the capacity for the number of tests.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock is expected to reveal whether the government has met the target later today.
The most recent figures available for the 24 hours up to 09:00 BST on Thursday showed that 81,611 tests were provided in the UK, while the total testing capacity was 86,565.

Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has suggested he might extend the country's state of emergency by about a month.
Japan, with a population of 126 million, has had more than 14,000 cases and 430 deaths from Covid-19, according to Johns Hopkins University.

A politician in India has called for the immediate reopening of shops selling alcohol as a way to tackle the virus, even though the World Health Organization (WHO) has specifically warned against alcohol consumption as a means to stop it.
The WHO says alcohol does not offer any protection and could increase the risk of other health problems.
Alcohol-based sanitisers are recommended for hand cleaning, and these should contain at least 60% alcohol in order to be effective.

mapuc

05-01-20, 10:52 AM

Some days ago I could read in a Danish article, that this Corona had killed more Americans than they lost in the Vietnam war.

(Maybe not nice to write)

Couldn't help thinking

WOW this little invincible bastard manage to kill more than 59000 American in 1½-2 month where it toke Vietcong and other anti-American forces several years to archive the same result.

Markus

Jimbuna

05-01-20, 01:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxAEnUCIY_g

Jimbuna

05-01-20, 01:50 PM

Health Secretary Matt Hancock says there has been an "unprecedented" rise in coronavirus testing in the UK

He says the target of 100,000 daily tests has been met - Labour says the figures are misleading.

Millions of children risk missing out on vital vaccines as shipments are delayed because of the pandemic's impact on aviation, the UN warns.

May Day rallies take place globally in support of workers' rights - but in scaled back or socially-distanced form.

More than 1,014,000 people known to have had the virus globally have recovered, Johns Hopkins University says.

It remains unclear how many people who were not tested have also made a recovery.

US President Donald Trump says he has seen evidence the virus originated in a lab in Wuhan, without giving details.

However, US intelligence agencies conclude the virus was not man-made or genetically modified.

Rockstar

05-01-20, 03:26 PM

This is interesting back in 2013 the U.S. government stopped funding to gain-of-function (GOF) experiments of SARS, MERS and influenza. But its not the warm and fuzzy healing we are the world kind of study. Scary stuff, especially since it wasnt so much about the actual study and experiments but because of the "biosafety and biosecurity risks, which need to be understood better". I can only imagine if we were doing this everyone else has been too, can anyone say Wuhan?
https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-funding-pause-certain-types-gain-function-research
“GOF studies” refers to scientific research that increases the ability of any of these infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility among mammals by respiratory droplets.
Also I would add that all these headlines touting those ever so smart state intel services concluding this or that is IMHO utter horse crap. You know ,those same infallible intel services which every one knows and trusts who let 911 slip through, anthrax letters to be sent, and just recently involved themselves in our internal politics to sway public opinion during the impeachment boondoggle? I've read several papers and even linked to one very early on in this thread. Not one of them conclude anything. They all state using current methods of scientific study and comparisons there is nothing to lead them to believe COVID-19 was man made. But each one of them left the door open to other possibility.

I can almost guarantee you science communities and intel services will be looking at this for a long time. But for now there will be no wars. I imagine if they did come out and say it was man made we would probably be involved in one right now.

Rockstar

05-01-20, 08:20 PM

If it did happen to originate from a fish market or some other benign location I really dont see the necessity for secrecy and clamping down on information even from a state like China. Unless of course they actually thought it did originate from the Wuhan lab. From what I hear it wouldn't be the first time it had trouble following bio security protocols.

The other thing is Trump said it did, which is why (for the moment) I believe it probably did originate from the lab. Simply because he cant keep his mouth shut. He probably heard it from one of his intel briefs and if you ever really paid attention to him and not the media. He is very egocentric, it's about him and nothing else. He loves making himself the center of attention always trying to impress others with his great ideas and how smart he is. Seems to me he wouldn't even allow something as important as national security stand in the way of his ego.

Thats my story and Im sticking too it. :yep:

Buddahaid

05-01-20, 08:41 PM

Rockstar

05-01-20, 09:25 PM

You're not taking into account just how important saving face is there. They just can't say okay, my bad.

If it were just nature taking its course or if you will an act of god. What would be the need for secrecy or saving face for something you have no control over? On the flip side, it could have been a knee jerk reaction of a communist state too I guess. I'm just not prepared to rule out one for the other just yet.

Onkel Neal

05-01-20, 09:42 PM

Cops hunt for person wearing creepy 17th-century plague doctor costume (https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/cops-hunt-person-wearing-creepy-17th-century-plague-doctor-costume/)

Cops have received several reports about the freaky faux-doctor amid the coronavirus crisis and plan to give them a warning in the form of “words of advice,” the paper reported.

Give him a warning in words of advise? What does that mean? Is he breaking the law?

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/plague2.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=640

vienna

05-02-20, 12:30 AM

If it were just nature taking its course or if you will an act of god. What would be the need for secrecy or saving face for something you have no control over? On the flip side, it could have been a knee jerk reaction of a communist state too I guess. I'm just not prepared to rule out one for the other just yet.

You do realize this is China we're talking about here? And we are talking about a rather hardcore Communist government, at that? China, like other Communist governments, is very, very loathe to disclose much information about its internal activities, in general, and its governmental activities, in particular. Asian countries have a long history and tradition of playing matters very close to the vest; this is one of the reasons the area was called the "Mysterious East". There is also the fact that pretty much any government goes to great lengths to quell any discussion/disclosure that could even in the slightest be embarrassing or prejudicial, even if the cause were out of their hands...

Speaking of governments going out of its way to conceal embarrassment and trying to prevent disclosure, the White House has blocked the House Committee tasked with oversight of the CDC from calling any of te top officials of the CDC, NIH, etc., from testifying about the Administration's handling of the Covid-19 responses; those banned from testifying includes Dr. Fauci; I guess the Administration doesn't think we citizens and voters can handle the truth...

There is a new candidate to join the ranks of possible future unemployment, alongside Drs. Fauci and Birx: Dr. Anne Schuchat, the No. 2 official at the CDC, who has just published a report detailing the woefully inadequate response by the Administration in handling Covid-19:

Health official says US missed some chances to slow virus --

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/health-official-says-us-missed-225240114.html

President Donald Trump has repeatedly celebrated a federal decision, announced on Jan. 31, to stop entry into the U.S. of any foreign nationals who had traveled to China in the previous 14 days. That took effect Feb. 2. China had imposed its own travel restrictions earlier, and travel out of its outbreak areas did indeed drop dramatically.

But in her article, Schuchat noted that nearly 2 million travelers arrived in the U.S. from Italy and other European countries during February. The U.S. government didn’t block travel from there until March 11.

“The extensive travel from Europe, once Europe was having outbreaks, really accelerated our importations and the rapid spread,” she told the AP. ”I think the timing of our travel alerts should have been earlier.”
She also noted in the article that more than 100 people who had been on nine separate Nile River cruises during February and early March had come to the U.S. and tested positive for the virus, nearly doubling the number of known U.S. cases at that time.

The article is carefully worded, but Schwartz saw it as a notable departure from the White House narrative.

“This report seems to challenge the idea that the China travel ban in late January was instrumental in changing the trajectory of this pandemic in the United States,” he said.

This is a link to the CDC website with the actual report:

Public Health Response to the Initiation and Spread of Pandemic COVID-19 in the United States, February 24–April 21, 2020 --

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6918e2.htm?s_cid=mm6918e2_w

This link is to a PDF version of the printed report: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6918e2-H.pdf

Note the report is referred to as a "Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR)"; M&M is more often seen as a function in hospitals and other health institutions to determine the causes of deficiencies in handling cases, particularly cases resulting in death(s) and to develop means of avoid repeats of the failures...

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vienna

05-02-20, 12:41 AM

Almost forget this piece of good news; the ventilators developed by CalTech (home of NASA rocket scientists) in Pasadena has been approved by the FDA for use in treating Covid-19 patients; the ventilators, as noted in a previous post, are vastly simplified, easier to construct from readily available parts sources, and cost about 1/8 - 1/10 of models currently available...

The icing on the cake is NASA is offering licenses for the the manufacture of the ventilator for free to companies seeking to produce the devices:

NASA-Developed Ventilator Authorized by FDA for Emergency Use --

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7655

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Jimbuna

05-02-20, 06:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmt78mAKfg

Jimbuna

05-02-20, 06:29 AM

Adults in Spain are being allowed to exercise outside for the first time in seven weeks.

Thousands register interest in taking part in a UK trial to see if blood plasma from survivors can help those in hospital.

The US Food and Drug Administration gives emergency approval for the experimental antiviral drug remdesivir.

A nursing home in New York has reported 98 deaths linked to coronavirus.

Austria is allowing thousands of shops to reopen, as well as hairdressers and beauty salons.

UK government says the target of 100,000 daily coronavirus tests has been met - but critics say the numbers are misleading.

The lockdown has seen a huge fall in murders in El Salvador, one of the world's most violent countries.

Jimbuna

05-02-20, 06:42 AM

Passengers travelling on Eurostar from the UK must wear a face mask or face covering from Monday in line with guidelines from the French and Belgian governments.

Spaniards have made the most of the latest easing of the national lockdown, as they have taken to the streets in droves since early this morning.

Russian Construction Minister Vladimir Yakushev has gone to hospital with coronavirus, just a day after the prime minister did so.

Malaysian authorities are rounding up undocumented migrants as part of efforts to contain the spread of coronavirus, the country’s police chief Abdul Hamid Bador said.

When it comes to political satire during this pandemic, Xinhua - China's state news agency - has gone to some length with an animated film that takes a cheeky swipe at the US. It has been produced in response to the Trump Administration's criticism of the country over coronavirus.
Once Upon a Virus uses animated Lego characters to depict both sides, with the US represented by the Statue of Liberty and China by a historic warrior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5BZ09iNdvo

Jimbuna

05-02-20, 06:44 AM

Latest developments in Asia and Australia

The Indian government has made it compulsory for all public and private sector workers to use a smartphone app designed to trace people who may have been infected with coronavirus. The Aarogya Setu app alerts users who have come in contact with people later found to have Covid-19. India has recorded 37,336 cases and 1,223 deaths.

Meanwhile in Australia, more than four million people have downloaded a contact-tracing app but the information it gathers is not yet available, broadcaster ABC reports. Health chiefs say privacy rules and final tests are still being carried out. Prime Minister Scott Morrison has called the COVIDSafe app "a ticket" to easing restrictions.

Singapore has announced a timetable to ease coronavirus measures. Practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine will resume some activities from Tuesday and other businesses such as hairdressers and laundry services will be allowed to operate from 12 May. On Friday the city-state's oldest coronavirus survivor, 102-year-old Madam Yap Lay Hong, was discharged from hospital. There have been more than 17,500 cases in Singapore but only 16 deaths.

Thailand, meanwhile, reported six more cases of Covid-19, taking the total to 2,966. The number of deaths stays the same at 54

Skybird

05-02-20, 07:13 AM

When it comes to political satire during this pandemic, Xinhua - China's state news agency - has gone to some length with an animated film that takes a cheeky swipe at the US. It has been produced in response to the Trump Administration's criticism of the country over coronavirus.
Once Upon a Virus uses animated Lego characters to depict both sides, with the US represented by the Statue of Liberty and China by a historic warrior.

:) They score several valid points, one has to admit that.

But they have some misdeeds of theirs to hide, too. Mainly in the statistics and numbers reporting, and changing calculation methods to hide unwanted information about the situation in their home country.

Also the quality of protective equipment they deliver on order, varies wildly.

The Polarized States of Trump however have made a clown of themselves, all by themselves.

Rockstar

05-02-20, 07:40 AM

You do realize this is China we're talking about here? And we are talking about a rather hardcore Communist government, at that? China, like other Communist governments, is very, very loathe to disclose much information about its internal activities, in general, and its governmental activities, in particular. Asian countries have a long history and tradition of playing matters very close to the vest; this is one of the reasons the area was called the "Mysterious East". There is also the fact that pretty much any government goes to great lengths to quell any discussion/disclosure that could even in the slightest be embarrassing or prejudicial, even if the cause were out of their hands...

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I agree with ya buddy. But I still cant let go the coincidence of the lab being just a few blocks away from the wet market. Reports that Wuhan lab has been seen as a bio-security risk for several years. Coupled with Wonder Bread's ego letting fly something he may have heard during one of his intel briefs.

China I think kept the lid on it because it would be extremely embarrassing to be caught screwing up AGAIN. Anyway, the narrative MUST lead us to believe it wasnt the Chinese government or the Wuhan Lab otherwise something worse than the virus might happen.

Platapus

05-02-20, 09:00 AM

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/dogs-joining-fight-against-covid-by-sniffing-out-virus/

Dogs Are Joining the Fight Against COVID-19 By Learning to Sniff Out the Virus

For years, dogs have been helping to keep humans safe by sniffing out narcotics, improvised explosive devices, pests (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/worlds-first-fire-ant-sniffing-pups-to-eradicate-nasty-species/), natural disasters, cancer, Parkinson’s disease (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/dogs-trained-detect-smell-parkinsons-just-sniffing-tee-shirt/), and now—yes, you guessed it—the novel coronavirus.
A medical charity in England that has successfully trained dogs to detect malaria is now attempting to train man’s best friend to identify the smell of COVID-19.

The charity, called Medical Detection Dogs, is partnering with the Tropical Medicine and Hygiene School in London along with Durham University to begin trialing dogs for the job. Dr. Claire Guest, a behavioral psychologist and principal member of the charity told CTV News (https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/dogs-join-fight-against-covid-19-by-learning-how-to-detect-the-virus-1.4893325) that there is “absolutely no reason why a dog can’t detect the virus.”

Describing its approach as “rigorously scientific,” Medical Detection Dogs has produced more than a dozen peer-reviewed papers during their work training dogs to smell and detect cancer, Parkinson’s disease, and most recently malaria, the people behind which have reunited to give COVID a shot.

“The aim is that dogs will be able to screen anyone, including those who are asymptomatic and tell us whether they need to be tested. This would be fast, effective and non-invasive and make sure the limited NHS testing resources are only used where they are really needed,” writes (https://www.medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk/dogs-could-join-the-fight-against-covid-19/) Guest on the Medical Detection Dogs website.

“We know that other respiratory diseases like COVID-19, change our body odor so there is a very high chance that dogs will be able to detect it. This new diagnostic tool could revolutionize our response to COVID-19 in the short term, but particularly in the months to come, and could be profoundly impactful.”

According to CTV News, who 4 years ago covered the enterprising Kiwi—a Golden Retriever being trained to sniff out disease—Medical Detection Dogs has previously worked with prostate cancer and the detection rate was catalogued at as high as 80%.

Professor Steve Lindsay at Durham University says: “If the research is successful, we could use COVID-19 detection dogs at airports at the end of the epidemic to rapidly identify people carrying the virus. This would help prevent the re-emergence of the disease after we have brought the present epidemic under control.”

We will have to see how this research goes.

Platapus

05-02-20, 09:08 AM

In any crisis, there are people who are looking for someone to blame and then there are people looking to find ways to help.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/lego-factory-produces-protective-face-masks/

The LEGO Group (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/?s=lego) is offering their assistance to healthcare workers on the frontlines of the COVID-19 crisis by using their facilities to produce thousands of protective facial visors.

According to an Instagram post that was published by LEGO earlier this week, the company’s Billund-based factory in Denmark has reworked some of their machinery to make more than 13,000 plastic masks per day. The masks will reportedly be distributed to hospitals and medical facilities across the country.

Although these visors do not offer the same kind of protection as N95 masks, individuals (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/after-couple-publishes-3d-printing-plans-for-face-masks-volunteers-make-them-for-free/) and businesses (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/another-roundup-of-positive-updates-on-covid-outbreaks/) around the world have been producing the plastic shields—as well as homemade cloth masks (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/joann-stores-offer-free-fabric-at-curbside-for-sewing-masks-at-home/)—for medical workers to use as additional protection in high-risk areas.

“This week we began to make visors at our factory in Billund for healthcare workers on the frontline in Denmark,” wrote the company. “We are so incredibly proud of the team who made this happen. They worked around the clock to create designs and make moulds that can produce more than 13,000 visors a day. We are grateful to have such talented, dedicated and caring colleagues.”

LEGO also announced this week that they would be donating 500,000 brick sets (https://www.instagram.com/p/B-wfW2dDsAN/?utm_source=ig_embed) to children in need during the novel coronavirus outbreaks. The company did not specify how the sets would be distributed, but they did ask their social media fans to show additional support to the NHS by building a LEGO brick rainbow in solidarity.

This is not the first time that corporations have stepped forward to help during the COVID-19 crisis. Famed engineer and inventor James Dyson designed a ventilator (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/dyson-invents-new-hospital-ventilator-in-just-10-days/) for the UK government in just 10 days—and then he volunteered to donate 5,000 of the devices.

IKEA staffers also donated 50,000 N95 masks (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/ikea-donates-50k-face-masks-to-swedish-hospital/) to a Swedish hospital after they discovered the coveted masks collecting dust in a warehouse.

A Chinese tech company sent tens of thousands of respirator masks (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/chinese-company-ships-crates-of-masks-to-italy/) to Italian hospitals hard-hit by the virus.

The New England Patriots even made headlines last week after they used their private team jet to transport 1.2 million N95 masks (https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/new-england-patriots-send-its-team-jet-to-deliver-1-2-million-n95-masks-from-china-to-boston-hospitals/) from China to New York and Boston hospitals in need.

Mr Quatro

05-02-20, 10:00 AM

Rockstar

05-02-20, 10:40 AM

Its been shown we were doing the same thing they were most likley doing at the Wuhan lab, trying to enhance virulence of SARS, MERS and influenza. Thankfully our own Gain Of Function research scared the hell out of us enough that we cut funding to it until we could better understood the risks. And Id bet they (the Chinese) didn't and it got away from them.

But of course our 'intel services' (whatever that means) CNN, FOX and DNYUS news says otherwise.

My other concern is if we cant kick start our economies back to normal and others start poking the bear, the bear being the U.S. I bet things gonna escalate pretty damn quick.

vienna

05-02-20, 10:55 AM

I agree with ya buddy. But I still cant let go the coincidence of the lab being just a few blocks away from the wet market. Reports that Wuhan lab has been seen as a bio-security risk for several years. Coupled with Wonder Bread's ego letting fly something he may have heard during one of his intel briefs.

China I think kept the lid on it because it would be extremely embarrassing to be caught screwing up AGAIN. Anyway, the narrative MUST lead us to believe it wasnt the Chinese government or the Wuhan Lab otherwise something worse than the virus might happen.

I'm gonna let you in on a very closely held secret, so don't tell anyone else:

TRUMP LIES!!...

..ABOUT EVERYTHING!!...

...AND ANYTHING!!...

...CONSTANTLY!!...

I wouldn't trust anything Trump says he is certain about, and this "insider intel" is just another of his very, very many vague claims made without any actual proofs or corroborations. Its just like when he says "many people " have told him something, the actual truth is he pulled his claims out of his ample butt. As far as " something he may have heard during one of his intel briefs", well, he is known to zone out during meetings and to selectively parse the subject matter to fit his own agenda/needs; in other words, accuracy and integrity are not among Trump's strong points...

The characterization of the Wuhan lab "being just a few blocks away from the wet market" is also misleading: the lab is reported as being at least eight miles away from the lab, so critical proximity is/was not an issue...

When it comes to information about Covid-19, I prefer to place my trust in the words of those with actual first hand knowledge of the nature and causes of viruses and the medical efforts to identify and treat/cure them; politicians, particularly those with a well known and documented disregard for the truth, are very poor SMEs, to say the least. Doctors and experts like Fauci and Birx, with lifetime experiences in the field are a far wiser choice for information and data...

I often make reference to an old advertising slogan: "Ask the man who owns one".; it was the slogan of the Packard motorcar company and simply stated the best way to know the truth about their product was to ask an actual buyer and user. This idea is something to be applied to a lot of situational judgements: if you want to know about the science of Covid-19, do you ask a lay person with very little to no specialized medical knowledge and/or experience or do you ask a respected specialist with a long track record in the field? I'd ask the man (or woman) who "owns" the knowledge...

In that vein, this is an article about a US scientist who actually worked at the Wuhan lab in question, even to the point of training Chinese lab researchers; the level of detail about the internal operations at Wuhan by someone, not of the Chinese government, nor of the Trump administration, by someone who was actually there and participated in daily functions carries a whole lot more weight than the jibber-jabber of politicians:

A US researcher who worked with a Wuhan virology lab gives 4 reasons why a coronavirus leak would be extremely unlikely --

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-did-not-leak-from-wuhan-lab-researcher-2020-4

Don't know about anyone else, but in matter like Covid-19, I'm putting my trust in actual knowledgeable medical experts and not in the ravings of a desperate, fat-ass politician...

<O>

mapuc

05-02-20, 11:22 AM

Even some scientist agree with Skybird, in his statement that lack of D-vitamin is why people from certain countries or skin colour are more anti-resistance against this Corona.

Preliminary findings from a yet-to-be-peer-reviewed study from the UK's Queen Elizabeth Hospital Foundation Trust and the University of East Anglia indicate that a vitamin D deficiency may be associated with a higher mortality in Covid-19 patients. The association has brought into question whether or not it’s advisable for people in countries associated with lower levels of vitamin D to take supplements as a precaution.

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/preliminary-study-links-vitamin-d-deficiency-to-a-higher-mortality-rate-from-covid19/?fbclid=IwAR1m8NLybtnWb-mLNSMV9-Bq8r_4ajY-R9G0sCpf6-_YzTBif2wlORC22Mo

Markus

Jimbuna

05-02-20, 11:33 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/tJGD1Fwb/437f600e-89f7-4b93-b585-03dea285e695.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/SRLdcJbM/ebfa0423-d593-4b8e-bf35-ce8275f28f63.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/Dyg5ZJgV/3a7240d2-e0c1-46c1-bb8a-0f23432114ef.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

05-02-20, 11:45 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/HxDb3d24/9199075e-86d1-4ff5-bb6f-384d0594380b.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Rockstar

05-02-20, 11:49 AM

I'm gonna let you in on a very closely held secret, so don't tell anyone else:

TRUMP LIES!!...

..ABOUT EVERYTHING!!...

...AND ANYTHING!!...

...CONSTANTLY!!...

I wouldn't trust anything Trump says he is certain about, and this "insider intel" is just another of his very, very many vague claims made without any actual proofs or corroborations. Its just like when he says "many people " have told him something, the actual truth is he pulled his claims out of his ample butt. As far as " something he may have heard during one of his intel briefs", well, he is known to zone out during meetings and to selectively parse the subject matter to fit his own agenda/needs; in other words, accuracy and integrity are not among Trump's strong points...

The characterization of the Wuhan lab "being just a few blocks away from the wet market" is also misleading: the lab is reported as being at least eight miles away from the lab, so critical proximity is/was not an issue...

When it comes to information about Covid-19, I prefer to place my trust in the words of those with actual first hand knowledge of the nature and causes of viruses and the medical efforts to identify and treat/cure them; politicians, particularly those with a well known and documented disregard for the truth, are very poor SMEs, to say the least. Doctors and experts like Fauci and Birx, with lifetime experiences in the field are a far wiser choice for information and data...

I often make reference to an old advertising slogan: "Ask the man who owns one".; it was the slogan of the Packard motorcar company and simply stated the best way to know the truth about their product was to ask an actual buyer and user. This idea is something to be applied to a lot of situational judgements: if you want to know about the science of Covid-19, do you ask a lay person with very little to no specialized medical knowledge and/or experience or do you ask a respected specialist with a long track record in the field? I'd ask the man (or woman) who "owns" the knowledge...

In that vein, this is an article about a US scientist who actually worked at the Wuhan lab in question, even to the point of training Chinese lab researchers; the level of detail about the internal operations at Wuhan by someone, not of the Chinese government, nor of the Trump administration, by someone who was actually there and participated in daily functions carries a whole lot more weight than the jibber-jabber of politicians:

A US researcher who worked with a Wuhan virology lab gives 4 reasons why a coronavirus leak would be extremely unlikely --

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-coronavirus-did-not-leak-from-wuhan-lab-researcher-2020-4

Don't know about anyone else, but in matter like Covid-19, I'm putting my trust in actual knowledgeable medical experts and not in the ravings of a desperate, fat-ass politician...

<O>

Hey now, even you said in another topic his ego is huge. This in my opinion would cause him to share 'his' ideas for viral disinfection, or hint that 'he' knew little Un was still alive, and now saying 'he' knows the escape was from Wuhan. Like him or not he is the president and briefed and made aware of whats going on in the world. Its just that his ego strives to make him feel special, the centerpiece of attention by telling people he knows things we're not privy too.

And as far as listening too medical professionals, I do. But bare in mind I'm not trying to argue personal likes or dislikes or that you're wrong and I'm right. I'm just saying from I've read, lancet, NIH, media etc etc. things are not as clear cut as some make it out to be. Time will tell and frankly I think its waaay too early to put all my eggs in one basket.

Catfish

05-02-20, 12:18 PM

"There is no glory in prevention." (Christian Drosten)

vienna

05-02-20, 12:47 PM

Hey now, even you said in another topic his ego is huge. This in my opinion would cause him to share 'his' ideas for viral disinfection, or hint that 'he' knew little Un was still alive, and now saying 'he' knows the escape was from Wuhan. Like him or not he is the president and briefed and made aware of whats going on in the world. Its just that his ego strives to make him feel special, the centerpiece of attention by telling people he knows things we're not privy too.

And as far as listening too medical professionals, I do. But bare in mind I'm not trying to argue personal likes or dislikes or that you're wrong and I'm right. I'm just saying from I've read, lancet, NIH, media etc etc. things are not as clear cut as some make it out to be. Time will tell and frankly I think its waaay too early to put all my eggs in one basket.

Oh, yes, Trump does have an ego; in fact, its "Yuuuge", the biggest and bestest in the world, ever, never ever seen before and it is the most "beautiful" ever and we would know that were it not for Trump's world famous modesty... :haha:

It is one thing to be briefed and another to actually pay attention, ask serious questions, analyze and make considered decisions; given Trump's woefully minute range of knowledge on any matters, except his own superiority, and given his wont to avoid actual fact in favor of 'out of the butt' lunacy, the chances he is making decisions about something as crucial as the lives of US citizens in the face of Covid-19 based on fully informed consideration rather the personal and political self-interest is virtually nil. I have had the experience, and I would wager others have also, of being at meetings where principals of a business are being briefed about substantiate matters and some of those principals either being unable or unwilling to grasp the matters being discussed. I once had to do a coupe of presentations to lawyers at a Beverly Hills law firm, including senior partners regarding the implementation of a new in-house computer system and billing program. One of the partners was known for having a mental density akin to lead and he did not disappoint when, during a question and answer session at the end of the presentation, he asked a couple of questions that were stunningly obtuse; one of the questions about a billing stricture was so illegal of the face of it, it stunned the room; the other senior partners' heads whipped around to glare at him so fast I thought they'd get whiplash; the lawyer in question had been a member of the White House staff under Nixon and he proudly displayed two letters of commendation, one each from Haldeman and Ehrlichman, on the wall of his office; he was always a pain to deal with and never seemed to fully comprehend anything he was told, yet, because of his connections and associations, he was a partner...

Being in room during a briefing and actually being present are two very different things; ask any schoolteacher or parent of a teenager. Trump is like a spoiled toddler who only hears what he wants to hear and believes only what he wants to believe, even in the face of incontrovertible fact, and who has no problem, morally and/or ethically, making up "facts" to fit his "realities". He is a PINO (President In Name Only) and, after November, will be heavily 'unmissed'...

About listening to medical and scientific professionals about medical and scientific matters, it is more a matter of weight: which carries the most weight? The opinions based on years, sometimes decades, of experience and knowledge of actual practitioners in the fields in discussion or the opinions of someone whose most recent prior experience was as a 'reality TV' celebrity who has zilch knowledge and experience in the fields in discussion? Remember, Trump's the guy who openly, in public, on national TV, made the boneheaded suggestion of injecting bleach or other disinfectants into a human body...

I'm not saying anyone should listen solely to only medical professionals, or even only to a particular professional; I am merely saying, in matters requiring expertise, it is better to listen to and consider the opinions of experts in the subject field(s); listening to the rantings of the Big Orange Loon are, to be kind, 'counterproductive'...

Outside of conspiracy theorists, politicians with agendas to push, or those who blindly support anything spewing from the White House, actual knowledgeable scientists, US intel agencies, intel agencies from outside the US, and investigative efforts by the press have not found any actual evidence to substantiate or confirm any solid connection to Covid-19 and the Wuhan lab nor that the virus is man-made; quite to the contrary, the bulk of confirmed findings points to a substantiation of an organic origin of the virus...

I noticed you did not seem to comment on the substance of the link I provided; any thoughts on the insights of an actual witness and participant in/of the Wuhan lab?...

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blackswan40

05-02-20, 01:00 PM

Social Distancing two meters apart Guide

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1246&pictureid=11010

Mr Quatro

05-02-20, 01:09 PM

To: Jim or Steve if this reminder is in the wrong thread then feel free to transfer it to the US Politics Thread or even it's own thread :hmmm:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/retirement-aging/sns-facing-negative-emotions-helps-mental-health-20200423-333rd2lrcbblvfgw26eg3s4w4y-story.html

Facing negative emotions helps mental health

Do you think mentally healthy people strive to have upbeat emotions? If so, you’re right. However, do you realize that all ugly emotions need attention too?

Mentally healthy people have a full range of emotions. But if you’re overly upbeat, you might be suppressing reality.

“I teach my clients to name, claim and honor their worst feelings,” says a mental health counselor we’ll call Janine. “Hidden feelings such as fear, shame, and anger can eat you up like cancer. They can mess up all of your relationships as well. Bad feelings will erupt at the worst possible time.”

Learn to speak your emotions. This helps soften your urge to act them out. For example, tell your spouse, “I’m angry about having to work overtime.” Keep a journal of your feelings, too.

— Try to clearly identify as many emotions as you can. If you feel anxious, sad, panicky, disappointed, or angry as hell, admit this to yourself. For example, if a relative tried to hurt you as a child, that anger is still buried in your spirit.

— Examine how your emotions might be affecting others. Don’t bottle them up for an explosion. For example, we all get upset with our families when relatives are coming over and the house is a mess. If you feel aggravated, tell those around you and tell them why.

Jimbuna

05-02-20, 01:13 PM

More than 65,000 coronavirus-related deaths have been reported in the US - Johns Hopkins University.

As elsewhere the real figure will be higher.

UK coronavirus fatalities stand at 28,131, but death rate is slowing.

UK Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick pledges £76m to support 'most vulnerable'

Additional funds will go to charities addressing domestic violence, modern slavery and vulnerable children.

Face masks will be mandatory on public transport in Spain from Monday.

Malaysia rounds up undocumented migrants to halt the spread of the virus, police say.

Skybird

05-02-20, 03:52 PM

The case against China thickens.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/bombshell-dossier-lays-out-case-against-chinese-bat-virus-program/news-story/55add857058731c9c71c0e96ad17da60

China may noit have artificlaly crfeated this virus, but it "deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak in an “assault on international transparency’’ that cost tens of thousands of lives, according to a dossier prepared by concerned Western governments on the COVID-19 contagion."

And for this they must be held repsoisjible. They miust pay for this crime. They willed the killing of thousands and tens of thousands of foreign citizens. I stick to it, I dsaid it befotre: this represents an act of war. You cannot just slay tens fo thosuan ds by your deeds and plans and expect to get away with it.

Just days ago the Australians demanded an international inquiry, and immediately triggered a hostile angry reaction by the criminals in Bejing threatening Australia with boycotts and further reprisals.

China is no ally. It is no friend. It is brutal, and tyrannic. We must cut ties and start playing tough on them. Such things shall not be decided by private business interests. We must bring back our production and know-how from China, and then lock them out. After the Corona backlash, this is the next economic fallout we need to face. We let this genie out of the bottle, we pampewred it, we edcuated it, we gave it knowledge and money and support to make it big and string. And now it is big and strong, and it is evil. Now it threatens to crush us. I mean its not just this virus. Its all whnat chian stands for since twenty years. We need to get this genie back back in. Difficult, very, yes. We must do our best.

And that means: we must start playing dirty. Extremely dirty. They do that since long already.

A lesson especially Germany has to learn. I have little doubt that it will not. Short-term money interest beats longterm strategic interests, and Germany desperately depends on export. Thjats why I say since twenmyt years that the Germany economy is not strong, as it claims, but weak. If you depend on factors outside your control and export that much, then you are - not strong, but dependent. Depending means: being weak.

mapuc

05-02-20, 04:58 PM

^I was about to write on our economy(the little knowledge I have on this subject)when I read you last part of your comment

The one on Germany.

´cause you're right no lesson will be learned or they will not be interested.

There's thousands and billions of Euros at stake if EU and it's member countries export to China are interrupted somehow

They may be thinking

So what - We lost a couple of thousands of life to this corona, but what will we lose if China cut our lifeline to their marked

Markus

Skybird

05-02-20, 07:26 PM

Even some scientist agree with Skybird, in his statement that lack of D-vitamin is why people from certain countries or skin colour are more anti-resistance against this Corona.

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/preliminary-study-links-vitamin-d-deficiency-to-a-higher-mortality-rate-from-covid19/?fbclid=IwAR1m8NLybtnWb-mLNSMV9-Bq8r_4ajY-R9G0sCpf6-_YzTBif2wlORC22Mo

Markus
IN case somebody now concludes to just consume higher doses of vit d, please google it carefully before you do. High consummation of vit d can negatively affect your calcium balance, calcium than does not get build i to bones, but saturates the blood, leadind to blocked arteries and kidney stones. Therefore consummation of vit d must be accompanied with consuming vit k complex and magnesia as well.

Google is your friend. Be advised that recommendations for daily doses vary dramatically in different nations, from 1000 to 20000 international units. I currently take 20000 indeed, but will reduce that to a daily dose of 5000 after 4 to 6 weeks, when i assume the reservoir is filled up. I take vit k complex, with time delay, and magnesium as well. And vit c and selen. Its all ammo supply for the immune systems guns and rifles. It does not give it any more guns and rifles - but those it has will be fully loaded to the maximum of their magazines. That is what it is about.

Mr Quatro

05-02-20, 09:43 PM

Is it even remotely possible that it was on purpose and that they were already working on vaccination shot to cure the virus which would bring in tens of thousands of dollars times millions.

Plus they have surely lied about locking down 50 million people and only having 82,877 number of confirmed cases in China so far and no new deaths reported, the death toll remained at 4,633. (= three days in New York)

May 2nd reported 2 new cases with no deaths :hmmm:

Mr Quatro

05-02-20, 10:16 PM

I saw the headline and I have friends that believe it too, but I just nod my head for them. Not worth arguing over, but this article in the Washington Times is too much.

Read it for your self ... Hard to believe that they have others believing this, but I know some.

Thinking this is just for senior people when even dogs and cats are getting Covid-19 now, plus the doctors, nurses, EMT's and policemen too. :o

Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/?fbclid=IwAR3E6p8DezbVXyWejnBoDKsqTDFBKXGD5eB71o_B 8Ko0cvfq5IUk6ZyJvQ8

The new coronavirus is real

The response to the coronavirus is hyped. And in time, this hype will be revealed as politically hoaxed.

In fact, COVID-19 will go down as one of the political world’s biggest, most shamefully overblown, overhyped, overly and irrationally inflated and outright deceptively flawed responses to a health matter in American history, one that was carried largely on the lips of medical professionals who have no business running a national economy or government

The facts are this: COVID-19 is a real disease that sickens some, proves fatal to others, mostly the elderly — and does nothing to the vast majority.

That’s it

So I looked up the owners who have not always been right with their own people (the moonies)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

The Washington Times was founded in 1982 by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate associated with the Unification movement which also owns newspapers in South Korea, Japan, and South America, as well as the news agency United Press International (UPI). Bo Hi Pak, the chief aide of Unification movement founder and leader Sun Myung Moon, was the founding president and the founding chairman of the board.

Catfish

05-03-20, 04:05 AM

The "Washington Times"?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-times/

"Launched in 1982, The Washington Times is a daily newspaper concentrating on politics and news. Based in Washington, D.C., The Washington Times was founded by a self-professed messiah, Korean Sun Myung Moon and according to its parent company, during Washington Times 20th anniversary, Moon said: “The Washington Times is responsible to let the American people know about God” and “The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world.”"

Or, in short: BULL!

Skybird

05-03-20, 06:00 AM

South Korean scientists who feared that Covid-19 patients could reinfect themselves immediately after recovery, putting immunization effects in doubt, have corrected themselves and say that there were mistakes mad ein the study. They now ruole out immediate reinfection,w hcuihb is a great relief. It would have been a grade A triple Plus worry if that would have been possible.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721

Meanwhile gerna media report Trump has withdrawn the US from the international vaccine development initiative. I wonder if that is becasue they think they are close to a vaccine and do not want to share the profits in it, instead selling it for hard cash.

The UK, South Korea and Germany have hot irons in the fire, too. But a vaccine will still take more time. I think I read somewhere that alltogether around 50 candidates for a vaccine are beign worked on around the world. But i am not certain I recall that info correctly.

Rockstar

05-03-20, 06:36 AM

Meanwhile gerna media report Trump has withdrawn the US from the international vaccine development initiative. I wonder if that is becasue they think they are close to a vaccine and do not want to share the profits in it, instead selling it for hard cash.

Nothing has really changed as other nations, including the U.S, are still working very hard to develop a vaccine against COVID-19. What your state media reports as "withdrawing from the international vaccine development initiative". Is actually Trump doing exactly what he said he would do. Cut funding to the WHO and there involvement in it. I thought you would be happy about that.

But if the WHO is so important to a vaccine development. Then please anyone feel free to tell me something which might make me reconsider.

Jimbuna

05-03-20, 07:31 AM

Russia records its highest daily rise in coronavirus cases with 10,633 new cases.

The death rate remains low compared with other countries.

Churches in Germany are open for Sunday services for the first time since the lockdown began last month.

Mosques in Iran, closed since mid-March, are to be opened in some cities from Monday.

People are falsely testing positive for a second time due to dead lung cells, says WHO expert.

UK death toll - officially 28,131 - could be nearer 30,000, says head of national statistics office.

Almost half of England's doctors may be buying their own protective equipment or relying on donations, survey says.

Thailand has reopened parks and small shops as authorities begin a phased easing of restrictions.

Jimbuna

05-03-20, 07:45 AM

The pandemic has now infected more than 3.3 million people worldwide and caused more than 240,000 deaths.

The German league has been given a boost by Horst Seehofer, the country's interior minister, who told Bild am Sonntag that a plan put forward for Bundesliga matches to be played behind closed doors was plausible.

Spain has recorded its lowest daily death toll linked to coronavirus since 18 March, new figures from the health ministry show. A total of 164 deaths were reported in the last 24 hours, the lowest number in over six weeks, while new cases of the virus rose to 217,466 from 216,582.

A spell of warm weather has seen thousands of New Yorkers flocking to the city's parks - but police and other officials have been on hand to warn people about social distancing. City Mayor Bill de Blasio warned lockdown-weary residents not to flout the guidelines and ban on "nonessential gatherings" is in force until at least 15 May. New York state has recorded at least 313,000 cases and more than 18,900 deaths.

More than 65,000 coronavirus-related deaths have been reported in the US, according to the Johns Hopkins University tally.

Portugal's six-week state of emergency has ended, but face masks are now compulsory on public transport and people are still being asked to stay at home where possible.

Singapore has confirmed 657 new coronavirus infections, taking the total to 18,205.

New figures released by Afghanistan's public health ministry show that 179 new positive cases of coronavirus have been recorded over the past 24 hours, bringing the total to 2,469. Seventy-two people in the country have died from the illness so far.

Jimbuna

05-03-20, 07:48 AM

A small piece of positivity hopefully.

False positives 'caused by dead lung cells' - WHO expert

Maria Van Kerkhove, technical lead on Covid-19 for the World Health Organization, is asked about reports from some countries that people have tested positive a second time after recovering from the virus.

She says what is actually happening in these cases is that, as people's lungs heal, some dead cells are showing up in the tests, triggering a positive result where there has been no re-infection.

But she says scientists are still "trying to understand" how strong a level of immunity people will have once they've had the virus.

On the origin of the virus, she says it has had a "natural origin" from bats, although the intermediate species that spread the virus from them to humans is not yet known.

Skybird

05-03-20, 08:07 AM

German soccer team Red Bull Leipzig is in 2 weeks quarantine.

In another team, 1. FC Cologne I think, three players already have been tested positive for Covid 19. No consequences for the rest of the team so far.

One has to admire the consistency!

Football is not essential for the economy. To reserve tens of tousands of tests per month just for the purpose of creating a misleading sense of security, is beyond proportion. We should follow exmaples from some other countries and even sport leagues in germany, where the seaosn was simply declared over, period. In a poll from two days ago they showed that a small absilute majority of Germans also has no understandign for giving ther Budnelsige this special tretament ands attention. The tests should instead be given to nurses and staff in hpsoiitals, nursing himes.

I mean its just mostly overpaid adult men running after a round leather thing. There are more importan things than this. Far more important things.

We have accepted many overpaid relatvoeys stupid things in the apst years, Spiorts as a multi-.billion dollar big busainess is one of them. Here is our chance to destroy the corrupt structures benefitting from that in the bakcgorudn, and to cut all that entertainment back to reaiosnable proportions. That includes: money. Lets use the oppoorutnity to pull tzhe plug on the many pervertations we have seen beeing done to big mone yports in the past 20-30 years. IOC. UEFA. FIFA. The US leagues. World athletics. All that has gone beyond reasonable dimensions, regarding show and money. I would not cry to see it all dying, and starting new, and smaller.

Skybird

05-03-20, 08:42 AM

The worst case scenario might be more realistic than we are ready to admit. And it has happened before.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

Mr Quatro

05-03-20, 11:51 AM

The worst case scenario might be more realistic than we are ready to admit. And it has happened before.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

Fear is the real worst case scenario ... many will handle fear different

some just can't handle fear at all ... fear will be the real enemy for many years :yep:

Jimbuna

05-03-20, 12:53 PM

UK carries out 76,496 tests in 24 hours, a figure short of the 100,000 daily target.

Hospital admissions are past their peak, particularly in London, says a senior NHS official.

Businesses could be asked to stagger employees' working hours when the UK lockdown eases, minister says.

Jimbuna

05-03-20, 01:01 PM

Michael Gove announced that a total of 28,446 people have now died with coronavirus in the UK, an increase of 315 on Saturday’s figure
Today’s figures show testing has fallen to 76,496 tests in the 24 hours up to 09:00 BST on Sunday – a drop of more than a third on the 122,000 tests carried out on 30 April. It comes after the health secretary had previously announced that the UK had met its target of carrying out 100,000 tests-a-day by the end of April
NHS England's Stephen Powis, said the UK has now passed the peak of hospital admissions, particularly in London.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has blamed China for the severity of the coronavirus outbreak, telling ABC News that the country “had the opportunity to prevent all of the calamity that has befallen the world” but tried to “conceal and hide and confuse” information.

In Stillwater, Oklahoma, officials softened a requirement to wear face coverings in stores and restaurants on the same day it went into effect, after people were threatened for trying to enforce it.

British cyclist Chris Froome thinks the Tour de France can work without spectators but does not know how organisers can stop large crowds from attending.
The Tour, originally scheduled to start on 27 June, is now due to begin on 29 August.

The President of the Austrian Medical Association, Thomas Szekeres, has appealed to Austrians to be careful, following the easing of some of the country's lockdown restrictions.

Italy has reported 174 new coronavirus-related deaths, which is the country's lowest toll since lockdown measures were rolled out in early March.
The total number of people who have died is 28,884, while the total number of cases has increased to 210,717.
There are 17,242 patients in hospital with symptoms, 1,501 in intensive care, while 81,436 are self-isolating at home.

Jimbuna

05-03-20, 01:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gi-pPrf7Ew&t=7s

Skybird

05-04-20, 05:16 AM

A recent study in Austria showed that they had to correct down the estimated number of unrecognized cases by a factor of 5. Science minister Faßbender commented on it. "The idea that the virus, as it were, infects unnoticed by the population and leaves a high level of immunization behind, which may act as a brake on another wave of infections, this idea seems to be an illusion" The study found that in the examined districts the real total case number was not, as assumed, around 60.000, but just 11.000.

And this

https://www.dw.com/de/mit-vitaminen-gegen-covid-19/a-53276966

they unfortunately have not translated, as they do with many of their articles. Its another hint at that taking nutrition supplements, namely Vit D and C, is recommended to help the immune system meeting in good shape the virus. Such pills are not my first choice to feed myself with. But special times demand special adaptation. The german authorities' attitude is are extremely stubborn and backwardly on this. I cannot escape the impression that they do not care for possibkle psoitve effects at all, but prioritize moral lecturing and educating the population to be obedient hobbits. I see it different: "when it works, it works."

Once again my advise, if you consider taking higher doses of Vit D, add vit K complex and magnesia, else you could suffer from unwanted negative calcium effects ( at higher doses of Vit D.)

Jimbuna

05-04-20, 07:50 AM

Italy - the first country in the world to order a nationwide lockdown - is easing some restrictions.

The number of deaths there is at its lowest level since just after its lockdown began two months ago.

President Trump says he is confident of a vaccine by year's end but admits this is optimistic.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says there is "significant evidence" that virus came from Wuhan lab in China but offers no proof.

New Zealand reports no new cases for the first time in six weeks.

In Brazil, President Bolsonaro again criticises lockdown as cases exceed 100,000

Global confirmed cases exceed 3.5m and the number of deaths almost 250,000

Jimbuna

05-04-20, 08:05 AM

In China’s southern Guangdong province, laws have kicked in across nine service industries (including public transport, hospitality, catering and the medical sector), preventing workers from discriminating against foreigners.

In Nigeria, businesses have reopened to try to restart the continent's largest economy.

Rwanda has loosened restrictions after 45 days of lockdown, even though a nationwide night-time curfew will be enforced and movement in and out of the capital, Kigali, is prohibited.

In South Africa people have been allowed to return to work but must continue to observe distancing, the wearing of masks and washing hands.

In Kenya, the health ministry has recorded a low turnout in its mass testing campaign after encountering unwillingness among members of the public.

In Tanzania, videos of night burials have been circulating on social media causing some to call into question the government's approach to the coronavirus pandemic.

Jimbuna

05-04-20, 08:15 AM

Zoos, museums and hairdressers reopen in Germany, with some students also returning to school.

Small businesses like hairdressers are opening their doors in Spain, though they can only serve customers who have made appointments. Some of the country's islands will loosen restrictions even further, as they have not been as badly affected as the mainland.

After eight weeks in lockdown, Italy is finally lifting some of its restrictions. People will be able to visit relatives, parks are reopening, and bars and restaurants can do takeaway. About four million people are expected to go back to work, although face masks will be mandatory at work and on public transport.

School leavers go back to class in Austria, and senior exams take place for pupils in Hungary - though schools there remain closed.

Poland allows hotels, libraries, museums and shops to reopen, but hairdressers, restaurants and playgrounds remain shut.

Russian authorities have confirmed 10,581 new coronavirus infections, bringing the national total to 145,268.
It's the second day running that the country has reported over 10,000 new cases. Russia's official infection figures now surpass those of China, Turkey and Iran.

US President Donald Trump has warned that as many as 100,000 people could die of coronavirus in the US.
More than 67,000 people have already died with Covid-19 in the US.

India has asked migrants seeking to return to their home states to pay their own train fares, in a move that has caused outrage in the country.

Japan has extended its state of emergency until the end of May after a government meeting late on Monday.

Jimbuna

05-04-20, 08:32 AM

Gravitas: 3 world leaders step up pressure on China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKaa2TyyALg

Jimbuna

05-04-20, 09:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHncQaSaBU

Skybird

05-04-20, 11:01 AM

The German football league now reports ten players in the first two divisions being tested positive and put into quarantine. Still the leagues 1 and 2 want to start matches in a couple of days.

Meanwhile Reuters reports on a secret, now no more secret, Chinese paper on internal Chinese fears of the fallout from the Virus for China, and warns of a possible war with the US.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-sentiment-ex/exclusive-internal-chinese-report-warns-beijing-faces-tiananmen-like-global-backlash-over-virus-sources-idUSKBN22G19C

Jimbuna

05-04-20, 02:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-WjTdmwKjA

mapuc

05-04-20, 05:50 PM

Some thoughts

Yesterday Denmark was celebrating 75 years of liberation.
Due to this Corona the great celebration had been cancelled.

There was a little celebration in the national tv.

There I saw the Danish Queen and the Danish Primeminister standing less than 30-50 cm from each other.

Haven't we been told thousand of times to keep social distance of least 2 meters ?

Many thoughts went through my head, when I saw them standing there and later walked away, still closer than 1 meter.

Markus

August

05-04-20, 06:00 PM

Many thoughts went through my head, when I saw them standing there and later walked away, still closer than 1 meter.

Markus

Maybe they were just tested and found covid free?

Jimbuna

05-05-20, 04:35 AM

The worldwide Covid-19 death toll is now above 250,000, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Nigeria, India and Israel are among the latest countries to start easing restrictions.

New Zealand prime minister discusses "Trans-Tasman travel bubble" with Australian cabinet.

Later on Tuesday, the UK is to begin testing a new contact-tracing app on the Isle of Wight.

The US records 1,015 virus deaths in 24 hours, the lowest one-day tally in a month.

The number includes those who have died with the virus and not necessarily because of it.

The US Treasury will borrow a record $3tn (£2.4tn) between April and June.

Jimbuna

05-05-20, 04:49 AM

Virus-related deaths in UK care homes rose to 7,911 during the week ending 24 April, according to the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - 595 higher than the week before.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock says there is “high privacy” in the NHS contact-tracing app being trialled on the Isle of Wight.

The daily death toll in the US could reach 3,000 people a day by June, according to an internal Trump administration report obtained by the New York Times.
That's about a 70% increase from the current figure of 1,750.

Spain has gradually eased its lockdown measures - allowing people outside to exercise for the first time in weeks, for instance. But the government wants to extend the state of emergency by another two weeks on Wednesday, and the opposition says it will not back the move. Pablo Casado, leader of the opposition Popular Party, said it “makes no sense”

Officially, France recorded its first coronavirus cases on 24 January. But a Parisian doctor now says one of his patients had the virus in December. Amirouche Hammar was admitted to hospital with pneumonia last year, when the virus was thought to be confined to China.

Cafes and restaurants will reopen in Finland from 1 June, with pupils returning to school and borders partially reopening for essential travel and work from 14 May. Prime Minister Sanna Marin announced the moves on Monday, weeks after imposing strict lockdown measures in her country.

And a major study in Germany suggests up to 1.8 million people there may have been infected with the virus. The University of Bonn reported the figure after studying the town of Gangelt, which was badly affected in the outbreak.

With 3,900 fresh infections in the last 24 hours, India has seen its sharpest rise in daily cases yet, according to the health ministry.
The latest spike means the country now has 46,433 confirmed cases of Covid-19. This includes the more than 12,000 patients who have recovered or been discharged and the 1,568 who have died.

Skybird

05-05-20, 05:17 AM

The German study from Heinmsberg that you quote above, Jim, is under fire. Its a so-called hotspot-study, and they fight bitterl yover how far this result from a small town could be generlaised to the whole population and country. Also, the author takes Flak fopr the way he released thre study. There is the suspicion that it is a comlaisant paper deli8vering material to justify early easing of lockdowns (by arguing with herd immunity).

For the time being i recommend: handle with care.

In Austria a recent study that maybe could be compared i n nsize foudn exactly the opposite: they had to reduce their expectations on dark numbers for ifneciton by a factor of 5 when they actually went out and counted people out in some districts, one by one, and tested them.

Test reliability in the past also was a severe issue, severe enough that many virologists said that antibody tests had ne useful meaning at all. I do not kn ow what antibody tests they used in Heinsberg or Austria, and whether it were newer tests with improved reliability. But older tests had reliability of 30%. Thats a waste of money and time. Thats also one of the reasons why the WHO advices against issuing immunity certificates.

em2nought

05-05-20, 06:23 AM

The worldwide Covid-19 death toll is now above 250,000, according to Johns Hopkins University.

I wonder how many of those would be dead if they had all been treated in the early stages with $20 worth of hydroxychloroquine in the proper manner? Waiting until it was way too late ala our Veteran's Administration being the example of NOT the proper manner. :hmmm:

I'd bet hydroxychloroquine is how China stopped the virus there, and they won't even tell us that.

August

05-05-20, 07:09 AM

Pro-lockdown extremists in denial about why we did it in the first place

By Rich Lowry

We will be in a fight against the novel coronavirus for months, if not years, and yet it is time to declare mission accomplished on one very important goal.
The lockdowns of much of the country were undertaken “to flatten the curve” and largely to prevent the hospital system from being overrun. It was a near-run thing in New York and New Jersey, but the dykes held, thanks to the incredible sacrifices of front-line health workers.
Now, the rhetoric around the shutdowns has shifted, and not very subtly — flattening the curve and saving the hospitals are “out,” and not allowing any additional cases to emerge is “in.”
It’s difficult to remember, but flattening the curve was never supposed to be about eradicating the disease. A piece in the progressive Web site Vox featured a widely circulated version of the flattening-the-curve graph and noted that shutdown measures “aren’t so much about preventing illness but rather slowing down the rate at which people get sick.”
A viral Medium piece published in mid-March famously called the period of lockdowns to squelch the disease, the Hammer, and the subsequent period of living with it after the worst had been averted, the Dance. The article didn’t deny the seriousness of the disease; if anything, it was alarmist. Yet by the standards of the current debate, the piece is unacceptably lax.
“The time needed for the Hammer,” it said, “is weeks, not months.” After that, it predicted, “our lives will go back close to normal.” And it contemplated living in a fuzzy realm of trade-offs between important goals — or, as the author put it, “a dance of measures between getting our lives back on track and spreading the disease, one of the economy vs. health care.”

https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/pro-lockdown-extremists-in-denial-about-why-we-did-it-in-the-first-place/

Mr Quatro

05-05-20, 09:40 AM

I wonder how many of those would be dead if they had all been treated in the early stages with $20 worth of hydroxychloroquine in the proper manner? Waiting until it was way too late ala our Veteran's Administration being the example of NOT the proper manner. :hmmm:

I'd bet hydroxychloroquine is how China stopped the virus there, and they won't even tell us that.

I agree :up: I haven't been back to the VA since March 2nd I am seriously afraid to go back :yep:

So what if I had it and now I don't ... I could wind up getting it just by going back :hmmm:

mapuc

05-05-20, 10:20 AM

Interesting things I have read related to this Corona.

Both are from the science page ifl science

First interesting thing is about something they call "Happy Hypoxia Phenomenon"

Oxygen saturation is a measure of how much oxygen is being carried in your blood and for a healthy person this would be expected to be around 95 percent or above. Reports from A&E doctors have described patients in emergency centers who are seemingly stable but when tested are found to have oxygen saturation levels in the 80s or 70s, and even in extreme scenarios as low as 50 percent.

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/diagnosis-of-covid-19-patients-further-complicated-by-unusual-happy-hypoxia-phenomenon/?fbclid=IwAR3dXIbw6oAe_RL2_c3EGy-mLzbIJ6XXssAknvMYpHvP7gO6w0EEo48BZIg

Then we have this interesting thing which is about "An Antibody of huge interest"

“Using this collection of SARS-CoV antibodies, we identified an antibody that also neutralizes infection of SARS-CoV-2 in cultured cells,” write the study authors. Known as 47D11, the antibody prevents both viruses from infecting nearby cells by targeting proteins called trimeric spike (S) glycoproteins, which are found on the surface of both viruses

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/scientists-discovered-antibody-stops-coronavirus-infecting-cells/?fbclid=IwAR0dHbPSPIt6La3aQxQHw8GO9UbDoeJ3GFmTNxHa FfouXHegjzoJV8PJjfw

Markus

Commander Wallace

05-05-20, 11:06 AM

As if Covid-19 wasn't dangerous enough, Scientists have now identified and verified a new strain or mutation of the coronavirus that appears to be more contagious than the earlier versions.

Research work on finding a vaccine has been centered on the genetic DNA sequencing of the original Covid-19 and may well be ineffective against the new strains and mutations. We are back to the drawing board.

Quote: The report was based on a computational analysis of more than 6,000 coronavirus sequences from around the world, collected by the Global Initiative for Sharing All Influenza Data (https://www.gisaid.org/), a public-private organization in Germany. Time and again, the analysis found the new version was transitioning to become dominant.
The Los Alamos team, assisted by scientists at Duke University and the University of Sheffield in England, identified 14 mutations. Those mutations occurred among the nearly 30,000 base pairs of RNA (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7161481/) that other scientists say make up the coronavirus's genome. The report authors focused on a mutation called D614G, which is responsible for the change in the virus' spikes.

Although the researchers don’t yet know the details about how the mutated spike behaves inside the body, it’s clearly doing something that gives it an evolutionary advantage over its predecessor and is fueling its rapid spread. One scientist called it a "classic case of Darwinian evolution."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mutant-coronavirus-emerged-even-more-110046843.html

https://www.rt.com/news/486425-covid-19-mutations-deadlier-strains/

All strains mutate but this quickly ?

Stay safe everyone

Mr Quatro

05-05-20, 11:19 AM

Perhaps the problem of the testing was in the too many different types of humans being tested.

For example people of color are dying in numbers more than the general white population is :yep:

Skybird

05-05-20, 11:24 AM

A new study from Glasgow finds that the virus not just kills older ones with previous conditions, but eliminates quite some years in life expectancy.

https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75

In recent days and weeks arguments where made, if not fabricated, that the virus kills just people who are close to detah anyway, and that therefore a lockdown cannot be justfied and should be eased.

The study says on average women lose 11 and men loose 13 years of their life expectancy when suffering from and "recovering" from Covid19.

I can only say: look closely and learn what the virus does to your body when it attacks in strength. Its not pleasant, but its a massacre. Lungs, blood vessels, blood, heart muscle, kidneys, the immuen system itself, probably all other organs as well get struck, and can get struck very severely. This virus is a beast.

Rockstar

05-05-20, 11:30 AM

Some good news if you take ACE inhibitors for regulating blood pressure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OudhmwulJHY

Sailor Steve

05-05-20, 11:31 AM

I agree :up: I haven't been back to the VA since March 2nd I am seriously afraid to go back :yep:

And if you had tried to go back you might not have been able to. My condition has gotten somewhat worse but I can't have it checked because it's "...not life-threatening and therefore not a real emergency." A neighbor told me that all his appointments have been cancelled "indefinitely".

Aktungbby

05-05-20, 11:40 AM

in Italy, if you're over 60, you are 'triaged out' at hospitals in favor of younger victims..."What a fascinating modern age I live in"...and I've cancelled my audience with the Holy Father this year!:k_confused:

Skybird

05-05-20, 11:41 AM

Airstream from coughing - and breaking it. Nice vizualisations.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/05/04/cough-coronavirus-masks-kaye-pkg-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

Skybird

05-05-20, 11:42 AM

Some good news if you take ACE inhibitors for regulating blood pressure.

Thats for me then. I wonder since quite soem time what to do on that. My meds work so very well, I do not easily want to change them.

Edit: Watched it. According to what he refers to, one worry less in my life. :D

Commander Wallace

05-05-20, 11:45 AM

Perhaps the problem of the testing was in the too many different types of humans being tested.

For example people of color are dying in numbers more than the general white population is :yep:

That may have more to do with social economic factors than people of color having a genetic predisposition to this virus. Access to good medical care is probably more of a factor.

Skybird

05-05-20, 11:59 AM

That may have more to do with social economic factors than people of color having a genetic predisposition to this virus. Access to good medical care is probably more of a factor.
This explanation is easily brought up time and again since it meets political mainstream ideolgoy, but probabaly nevertheless is if not wrong then at least not complete. The IMO more reasonable explanation is that lower readiness of the immune system due to lower vit-D production by sunlight due to more pigments in the skin. I mentioined it before, and Dr. Campbell explained it in at least two of his videos. Most of us are vit-D deficient, but people are the greater at risk to be so the darker their skin is.

In evolution, humans originally were of dark colour, when they migrated north, they got less sunlight, and this most likely is the reason why the pigments in the skin thinned out: to help producing vit D.

Using sun blockers a lot I expect to also influence the ammount of vit-D your skin produces in sunlight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs

Jimbuna

05-05-20, 01:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-mHCn74E5o

Jimbuna

05-05-20, 01:27 PM

The latest daily reported death total for the UK (29,427) is now higher than the total for Italy (29,315)

The UK has reached this figure faster in its epidemic than Italy, but there are caveats to the comparison.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab says there will be no "real verdict" until the pandemic is over.

The worldwide Covid-19 death toll is now above 250,000, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Europe's first-known case may have emerged almost a month earlier than thought, French doctor suggests after re-testing patient.

India is among countries to start easing restrictions even as it reports record numbers of new infections and deaths.

New Zealand prime minister discusses "Trans-Tasman travel bubble" with Australian cabinet.

Jimbuna

05-05-20, 01:28 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/T3bJC2sk/95840457-2619225831680328-1736392768818774016-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Texas Red

05-05-20, 01:29 PM

Rockstar

05-05-20, 02:35 PM

Well, what are they gonna do? They're talking about easing restrictions here. So they're just gonna shove this all under the carpet and pretend it never happened?

God, sometimes I just HATE politicians.

My guess is they figure the death rate would be far greater because of global economic collapse than COVID-19 virus.

Mr Quatro

05-05-20, 03:14 PM

Only good for today :yep:

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/v_DORh8MaLoNb1I6CltxGw--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-05/05ba7930-8ed0-11ea-9bb5-6eab2ee65bd1

Vice President Mike Pence said Thursday the White House is working on a transition plan with FEMA.

“I think we’re starting to look at the Memorial Day window, early June window as a time when we could begin to transition back
to having our agencies begin to manage...our national response in a more traditional manner,” Pence said.

Skybird

05-05-20, 03:41 PM

Vitamine D again, from minute 18:00 on, an Indonesian study released April 26th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs

Once again it was fo7und that Vit-D deficient patient were more likely to die, than patient with normal Vitamine-D levels.

Why I drum this bongo time and again? Because there are a few things - and only a few tbings - that everybody can actively do himself to decrease the likelihood of catching this vorus or getting seriously affected by it. And securing a strong Vit-D level is one of these few things:
1. Wear a self-protective (FFP) masks in enclosed compartments and shops.

2. Keep away from other people by far more than just 2 meters.

3. Avoid as much as you can the aerosol clouds left by somebody walking before you, in open space, and in closed space anyway. Beware those damn joggers and bikler sand skaters. They usually just dont care a damn.

4. Not touching your face (nose, mouth, eyes).

5. Good hand-washing discipline.

6. Take Vit-D (with Vit-K and magnesium).

Get used to the idea to practice this for many months to come. Until we have a safe vaccine (that does not come at the cost of even restrtengthening paradox immunization reactions). Get used to have no normal holiday travels and crowded beaches as well. The ideal group size is "1".

skidman

05-05-20, 03:48 PM

My guess is they figure the death rate would be far greater because of global economic collapse than COVID-19 virus.

They have realized the mistakes that were made in the beginning of the plague (just a flu, bro) and now they start bowing and praying to the virus cause the figures are too embarrassing.

mapuc

05-05-20, 03:49 PM

According to the news here

Some french guy had Corona already in December and the authorities in Denmark and Sweden are pretty sure we could have had infected person before the first known person had been infected.

The same goes in USA, where they also think Chinese American can have infected other Americans long before the first known case.

This makes me wonder.

Did China know about this virus long before they have admit ?

Markus

Skybird

05-05-20, 03:56 PM

And I forgot wehre I red it earlier today, an Americna epidemiologist form i think Johns Hopkins (not sure of that) did some analysis with data from the German Robert Koch Institute. He found that the age group 20-24 is the group getting sick the most often, and also acting the most carelessly. These youngster are real "Virenschleudern" (that means they are extremely aggressively spreading the desease and infecting others). By tendency that matches what I see in the world around me, I would extend that age group to all the twenties, and school teens anyway.

This does not mean they all build severe symptoms, but it means they get infected more often than other age groups, and spread the virus more aggressively than any other age group.

Treat them as health hazards, and dangerous. They act irrational and irresponsibly, stubborn and aggressively. Do not discuss with them. Avoid them.

And latte-maciato-slurping mommies pushing strollers and having crowds of Kindergarden-age bugs swarming around them. Nightmare scenario, condition Red. :doh: Anti-authoritarian education is such a wonderful thing...

skidman

05-05-20, 04:27 PM

^take your meds. Stop building stakes.

August

05-05-20, 07:24 PM

https://i.imgur.com/GeXh0ZQ.jpg

Texas Red

05-05-20, 08:42 PM

Actually, some of the "cool" and "popular" kids in my grade would be the ones acting irresponsibly because all they care about is the latest fashion and social media status. HONESTLY, the "cool" kids will be the first to either get sick or to die because they don't care about the rules.

Onkel Neal

05-06-20, 12:38 AM

https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/pro-lockdown-extremists-in-denial-about-why-we-did-it-in-the-first-place/

At this point, I agree, time to ease up on low risk workers and watch the trends carefully.

ikalugin

05-06-20, 05:37 AM

Well Russia is catching up to Sweden and US in terms of daily new cases per capita.

Skybird

05-06-20, 06:21 AM

So simple yet effective in design. One wonders: why don't we have these?

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/05/05/israel-mobile-testing-coronavirus-unit-lon-orig.cnn

Skybird

05-06-20, 08:29 AM

Lovely.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52557955

Sounds a bit as if we may be royally screwed...!? My fear this was all the time: that it might turn out to be like the common cold: ever-changing, ever-mutating, and thus until today no cure nor vaccine.

Mr Quatro

05-06-20, 10:23 AM

Remember when in Russia not to complain about PPE shortages :o

https://apnews.com/62bab5b82454138c7c92d00ae6c2cb29

2 Russian doctors dead, 1 in ICU after mysterious accidents

Two Russian doctors have died and one remains in the intensive care unit in serious condition after falling out of windows in hospitals under mysterious circumstances.

The tragic incidents last week made national headlines, with media reports saying all three have come under pressure from their superiors over working conditions amid the coronavirus pandemic.

In recent weeks, medical workers all over Russia have decried shortages of protective equipment and questionable infection control procedures that turned dozens of hospitals into virus hotbeds, with hundreds of doctors and nurses contracting the virus. Many said they have been threatened with dismissal or even prosecution for going public with their grievances.

Skybird

05-06-20, 10:54 AM

Belgian carnage.

Sounds like the name of a special dish at a resaturant, but is the story of utmost incompetence in the Belgian self-proclaimed political elites. One of the the most incapable and irresponsible protagonists is now at top ranks in the EU.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15916/coronavirus-belgium-carnage

It all began in 2015, when the government of Prime Minister Charles Michel (today's European Council president) decided to destroy Belgium's entire "strategic stock" of 63 million protective face-masks, including the precious FFP2 type -- 1,200 pallets carefully stored and guarded by the army in the Belgrade Barracks, in Namur. Because they were stored in "bad conditions" said Minister of Health Maggie De Block, who is still on the job today. "That is not quite right," said (https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200402_04911286) the main union of the Belgian army, "... the main reason was lack of space. In 2015, the government decided that the Red Cross would use some of the buildings to receive refugees. Room had to be made..." In 2015, Belgium and Europe were overwhelmed by migrants at the invitation of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and the laws of the EU and the European Convention on Human Rights made it effectively impossible to reject them.
The entire strategic stock was thus incinerated, and never replaced -- another decision of De Block, which, given the regularity of epidemics and pandemics, amounts to a crime. "To govern is to foresee", said Emile de Girardin.
So, when the coronavirus pandemic spread to Belgium, this unfortunate country had almost no masks -- zero for the citizens, zero for the police, zero for the nursing homes, and almost zero for the hospitals.
I cannot avoid to think in terms of justice here. Or, if you prefer, "karma".

August

05-06-20, 01:28 PM

https://i.imgur.com/GvYSC2q.jpg

Rockstar

05-06-20, 01:38 PM

Jimbuna

05-06-20, 01:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lCkmeVpbeM

Jimbuna

05-06-20, 01:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDUAQ9AgHIY

Jimbuna

05-06-20, 01:44 PM

30,076 people have now died in the UK with coronavirus, the government says.

For the fourth consecutive day the government misses its 100,000 per day testing target.

UK PM Boris Johnson vowed earlier to reach 200,000 lab tests a day by the end of May.

In Germany, football will resume behind closed doors and small shops can open.

President Trump says the White House coronavirus taskforce will continue its work "indefinitely"

Italy's prime minister is the latest European leader to talk hopefully of his citizens getting a summer holiday.

Airbnb reports a jump in bookings from Europeans hoping to get a holiday after lockdown is eased.

Jimbuna

05-07-20, 12:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLNV4EEW5bg

Jimbuna

05-07-20, 12:50 PM

Abandoning social distancing rules would allow the virus to spread again, warns UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab.

Bank of England says the UK economy will shrink 14% this year, its deepest recession on record.

UK government data suggests black people twice as likely as white people to die.

UK infection rate is estimated to have risen slightly, driven by the epidemic in care homes.

Nearly 3.2 million Americans filed for unemployment, total claims since mid-March now 33 million.

France will begin relaxing lockdown next week, but restrictions in Paris region will remain.

Brazil reports 615 deaths - the highest one-day tally ever in the southern hemisphere.

Jimbuna

05-07-20, 12:59 PM

The UK coronavirus death toll has now reached 30,615 after a further 539 people died having testing positive.
In the 24 hours up to 9am on 7 May, there were 86,583 tests in the UK - up by more than 17,000 on the previous day – although it was the fifth day running that testing was below the government’s 100,000 target.

A further 59 hospital deaths have been reported in Scotland over the last 24 hours. It takes the total number to 1,762.

France will gradually end its lockdown from 11 May, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced earlier.

Americans who have been diagnosed with Covid-19 and sent to hospital because of it won't be able to join the US military - for the time being.

Moscow is the epicentre of Russia's coronavirus outbreak, having recorded 92,676 of the country's 177,160 cases. Mr Sobyanin has previously estimated that the true number of infections in the city is closer to 300,000.

Sweden has recorded another 99 coronavirus-related deaths, taking the total to 3,040.

South Korea is providing a million face masks to foreign veterans of the Korean War to mark the 70th anniversary of the start of the conflict.

Japan has authorised the use of anti-viral drug Remdesivir to treat coronavirus patients.

China is mounting an aggressive media campaign to dismiss statements made by US politicians, particularly Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, about the coronavirus potentially having originated in a lab in the central Chinese city of Wuhan.

Kenya's government says it will now start covering the costs of people sent into quarantine because they are suspected of having coronavirus.

AVGWarhawk

05-07-20, 01:26 PM

At this point, I agree, time to ease up on low risk workers and watch the trends carefully.

In reality low risk workers are working. Low risk to me would be landscapers, home improvement, small offices with few people. I see these people working daily.

Jimbuna

05-07-20, 01:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHW5jkVyLYM

ikalugin

05-07-20, 05:57 PM

Remember when in Russia not to complain about PPE shortages :o

https://apnews.com/62bab5b82454138c7c92d00ae6c2cb29

2 Russian doctors dead, 1 in ICU after mysterious accidents

Consider the following - average suicide rate in Russia is 5-20 per year per 100k people.

There are more than 100k medics in Russia working on COVID-19/SARS-2 and they are overworked and stressed out.

Now the question is - why only 3 suicides are reported when statistically speaking we would expect more.

em2nought

05-07-20, 05:57 PM

I rate banks as being the worst actors ever during a crisis whether it's a hurricane or a virus. They're all insulated inside their buildings while every customer has to handle that little shuttle from the drive thru. They've closed one branch for a month now because one employee tested positive leaving just one branch in two cities. During hurricane Irma banks stayed closed for almost a month. Publix grocery store was open within a couple days. I'd put Publix in charge of my entire state if I could. LOL

Safety deposit boxes at banks is seeming like a really dumb idea. :hmmm:

Platapus

05-07-20, 07:31 PM

Safety deposit boxes at banks is seeming like a really dumb idea. :hmmm:

Why? They are good at keeping stuff safe

August

05-07-20, 10:18 PM

Why? They are good at keeping stuff safe

Apparently they keep stuff safe from their owners too.

Catfish

05-08-20, 02:08 AM

I cant believe they destroyed it. Over here they would have at least sold it for pennies on the dollar or just given it away to surplus stores for resale.
That's the EU for you :D

@August this picture of the sistine chapel is just great :haha:

Catfish

05-08-20, 02:23 AM

Consider the following - average suicide rate in Russia is 5-20 per year per 100k people.

There are more than 100k medics in Russia working on COVID-19/SARS-2 and they are overworked and stressed out.

Now the question is - why only 3 suicides are reported when statistically speaking we would expect more.
"Reports said two of the doctors had protested their working conditions and the third was being blamed after her colleagues contracted the virus.

Across Russia, doctors have decried shortages of protective equipment and questionable infection control procedures at dozens of hospitals, with many saying they have been threatened with dismissal or even prosecution for going public with their grievances."

Now there is stress and strain of course, but doctors and people of certain groups seldomly commit suicide. Also it seems the conditions under they died/vanished are a bit obscure. There are also other details in other news about that.
(Other famous examples of real or attempted suicide might be Litvinenko and Skripal?).

Every absolutist régime tries to silence those who do not align with the official thinking, might remember of what China did to doctors who tried to make the covid case public already in 2019. If someone makes the dictator umm sorry of course i mean: "The democratically elected 'president'" (tm) look bad, silence him.

Catfish

05-08-20, 03:14 AM

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 04:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdmm0HzAvE4

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 04:49 AM

The pandemic has unleashed a "tsunami of hate and xenophobia" which needs to be defeated, says the UN's chief.

Anti-foreigner sentiment is surging, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are spreading and anti-Muslim attacks have occurred, he says.

Europe marks 75th anniversary of VE Day under lockdown, with the Royal Family leading tributes in the UK.

Australian PM Scott Morrison announces plan to reopen the country - starting with gatherings of 10 people.

Brazil's Economy Minister Paulo Guedes warns of economic collapse if lockdowns continue.

India's operation to bring home 200,000 people home on special flights is under way.

The UK is considering some "modest" easing of lockdown measures.

Global confirmed cases of Covid-19 stand at 3.8m with 268,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 04:56 AM

There are plans to increase train services from Monday 18 May across the UK, in preparation for the eventual easing of travel restrictions.

French President Emmanuel Macron has attended a ceremony on the Champs Elysées in Paris to mark VE Day.

German exports plummeted 11.8% in March. The worst month-on-month fall since reunification in 1990 is being blamed on the pandemic.

Madrid's public health chief Yolanda Fuentes has resigned in protest against the Spanish capital's bid to start lifting its lockdown from Monday. Madrid has seen more Covid-19 fatalities than other areas of Spain but the rate of infection has declined.

Russia has declared another 10,669 infections in the past 24 hours - the sixth consecutive day that the number has been above 10,000

Denmark's announced a roadmap for ending its lockdown. It started lifting restrictions back in April and has now said professional sport can resume behind closed doors and shopping centres can reopen from Monday.

Serbia lifted its state of emergency on Thursday and last night police arrested over 100 people involved in a political protest outside the office of President Aleksandar Vucic.

The Indian Navy has begun evacuating more than 700 citizens from the Maldives as part of the country's big repatriation mission to bring thousands of Indians stuck abroad home.

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 04:57 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7QSSvx9Ho

ikalugin

05-08-20, 07:24 AM

"Reports said two of the doctors had protested their working conditions and the third was being blamed after her colleagues contracted the virus.

Across Russia, doctors have decried shortages of protective equipment and questionable infection control procedures at dozens of hospitals, with many saying they have been threatened with dismissal or even prosecution for going public with their grievances."

Now there is stress and strain of course, but doctors and people of certain groups seldomly commit suicide. Also it seems the conditions under they died/vanished are a bit obscure. There are also other details in other news about that.
(Other famous examples of real or attempted suicide might be Litvinenko and Skripal?).

Every absolutist régime tries to silence those who do not align with the official thinking, might remember of what China did to doctors who tried to make the covid case public already in 2019. If someone makes the dictator umm sorry of course i mean: "The democratically elected 'president'" (tm) look bad, silence him.

I would agree that all such cases should be properly investigated, it just that I am cynical about media reporting. Few weeks ago they would be reporting on the cover up, now that this is no longer sensible to do (because we do see Europe like growth in cases) they have shifted to discussing how the evil regime is murdering doctors, in a few weeks it would be something else.

As to the PPE reserves - they are strongly region dependent, some regions have enacted state of emergency and released their stockpiles, some didn't, some have a good procurement program and some don't and so on. I would expect some regional governors to get the stick for incomptence after this.

ikalugin

05-08-20, 07:26 AM

Mr Quatro

05-08-20, 09:50 AM

What the virus does to the human body. How Covid-19 kills (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spektrum.de%2Fnews%2Fwie-covid-19-toetet%2F1729710) (Google translate)

Just a flu, reopen business everywhere. This is wishful thinking, not taking responsibility, and borders to mass murder. :nope:

People are rebelling against the stay at home orders, protesting in large numbers (which we are allowed to do in America).

I am happy staying at home I've never been this prepared in fact, but I even have friends that think this is a scam making them stay home. They had jobs and now they don't ... no job, no pay check, no pay check, no rent paid, children hungry, cell phones being silenced, family squabbles, child molestation, thieves breaking in to closed business and taking (are you ready for this) the cash register with no cash in it.

It's a real problem and borders on mayhem to open or not to open ... the people want things to be the way they were and this will not happen.

Now we wait to see the numbers increase or decrease even with social distancing and wearing mask I see law suits a plenty with finger pointing and blaming the administration.

What do you think will happen?

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 09:53 AM

Give it another month tops and I reckon there'll be more than the US feeling the backlash of the public.

Mr Quatro

05-08-20, 09:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7QSSvx9Ho

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 01:53 PM

^Only five posts above yours.

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 01:54 PM

Italy becomes the third country in the world with more than 30,000 deaths
US jobless rate rises to 14.7% - the highest level since World War Two.

New UK lockdown rules to be announced on Sunday night but "no dramatic change" expected.

The pandemic has unleashed a "tsunami of hate and xenophobia" which needs to be defeated, says the UN's chief.

Europe marks 75th anniversary of VE Day under lockdown, with the Royal Family leading tributes in the UK.

It could take a year to determine the exact origins of the coronavirus, the WHO says.

Global confirmed cases of Covid-19 stand at 3.8m with 268,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 01:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AADUVt5gTEI

Aktungbby

05-08-20, 02:10 PM

This is disgusting even by Russian standards: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/europe/russia-medical-workers-windows-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/europe/russia-medical-workers-windows-intl/index.html) Three frontline health care workers have mysteriously fallen out of hospital windows in Russia over the past two weeks, heightening public attention to the working conditions for doctors and medical professionals amid the coronavirus pandemic (https://www.cnn.com/specials/world/coronavirus-outbreak-intl-hnk). Two of those health care workers are dead, and one remains hospitalized.
All three incidents, which are being investigated by Russian law enforcement authorities, have prompted intense discussion in the Russian press and on social media.
Alexander Shulepov, an ambulance doctor in Voronezh, a city about 320 miles south of Moscow, is in serious condition after falling from a hospital window on Saturday. Local state television, citing regional health officials, said he fell out of second-floor window of the Novousmanskaya hospital, where he worked and was receiving treatment after testing positive for coronavirus (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/health/what-is-coronavirus-covid-19-wellness/index.html). EDIT:He has since died...in Mother Russia, perhaps 'dissent is an underlying condition':doh:
Shulepov was hospitalized for coronavirus on April 22, the same day he and his colleague Alexander Kosyakin posted a video online saying that Shulepov had been forced to continue working after testing positive for coronavirus.
Kosyakin had previously criticized hospital administration for protective gear shortages on his social media and was questioned by the police for allegedly spreading fake news.
Local TV station TVK Krasnoyarsk reported at the time that Nepomnyashchaya allegedly fell out of a window during a meeting with regional health officials, during which they discussed turning the clinic into a coronavirus facility.
Nepomnyashchaya was reported to have opposed those changes due to the lack of protective gear in the hospital. The Health Ministry's regional health department denied the allegations in a statement, adding that the hospital is in "reserve" for coronavirus patients and its staff has been trained and equipped. The hospital did not respond to CNN's requests for comment.
On April 24, Natalya Lebedeva, head of the emergency medical service at Star City, the main training base for Russia's cosmonauts, died in a hospital after a fall. The hospital within the Federal Biomedical Agency, which says it treated her for suspected coronavirus, released a statement that "a tragic accident" occurred, without elaborating. The hospital did not respond to CNN's request for comment.
In the statement, the hospital said, "She was a true professional in her field, saving human lives every day!"
Anastasia Vasilyeva, the head of Alliance of Doctors union, told CNN she did not think anyone was deliberately targeting doctors. The incidents, she said, likely reflect the stress doctors are under in an underfunded system during a pandemic.
"This is really about the destruction of our health care system," said Vasilyeva, who has been a prominent critic of the government's approach to combating coronavirus. "A lot of clinics and hospitals have been closed ... And, of course, this means it is very difficult to treat in such conditions a lot of patients with coronavirus." Talk about getting 'a window' into Russia's pandemic problem!:oops: :nope: :dead:

mapuc

05-08-20, 02:15 PM

Even our kids seems to suffer from this Corona Virus.

Heard about this 5 year old boy in the news some hours ago.

(Made a search for it)

If confirmed, it would be the first known death in New York related to the mysterious inflammation that recently began appearing in children.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/nyregion/child-dead-new-virus-kawasaki.html

Markus

Jimbuna

05-08-20, 02:25 PM

Children have already succumbed here in the UK but thankfully not in great numbers.

Catfish

05-08-20, 02:29 PM

I would agree that all such cases should be properly investigated, it just that I am cynical about media reporting. […]
Who do you think you are kidding? If doctors or anyone who dares to speak up against the russian government is being threatened or immediately "silenced", who do you think will really investigate? There will be fake investigations and similar "results" to calm down the public, and that will be all. "Cynical about newspapers" alright, i would be at least equally cynical of any governmental "report".
As to the PPE reserves - they are strongly region dependent, some regions have enacted state of emergency and released their stockpiles, some didn't, some have a good procurement program and some don't and so on. I would expect some regional governors to get the stick for incomptence after this.
Maybe. But how can regional governors do something wrong when all they do is being directed and controlled from and by Moscow?
Moscow will of course blame local governors to divert from their own failures, how could Moscow ever be wrong? It is all so laughable.

You do not need to think just because democratic countries make mistakes (they do), that anyone here will see Russia or China as the shining example of how everything is great there and how countries should be run, by "professionals" like Xi Jinping or Erdoghan. Or Putin.

Mr Quatro

05-08-20, 02:49 PM

^Only five posts above yours.

My bad ... I'll drink more carrot juice :yep:

Mr Quatro

05-09-20, 08:59 AM

I don't really understand what this chart means?

https://scontent.ffar2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96386751_2104116603068549_5601057676663455744_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQmNiYHiBY6Auv4we0AXVT7ddAvz06GQZI1o9FRVQyB cHHygxiXoM22NQDREXYBDm7s&_nc_ht=scontent.ffar2-1.fna&oh=95cf8745598b155846b4fead23394631&oe=5EDBC3C2

Catfish

05-09-20, 09:07 AM

This looks bad.
As said before i am a bit sceptical about "operation roaming freedom" and open up everything now. Politics and dumbness.

Rockstar

05-09-20, 10:52 AM

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-know-everything-and-nothing-about-covid

The British government took the paternalist view that we could not be trusted to take advice but must be ordered into lockdown. It rushed through some terrifyingly illiberal legislation. With a few exceptions, the British people appear to have become willing, even censorious, assistants in the enforcement of the rules. The problem is not now people disobeying the rules, but being terrified to give up the extreme safety of lockdown and relaxed about staying at home on taxpayer--subsidised wages. In the light of what we know, it is vital that the government now switches from urging us to stay at home to urging us to return to as much of normal life as possible.Be in no doubt that the strangulation that is asphyxiating the economy will have to be gradually lifted long before we know the full epidemiology of the virus. Perilous though the path is, we cannot wait for the fog to lift before we start down the mountain.

Jimbuna

05-09-20, 12:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqSSVtEuIpQ

Jimbuna

05-09-20, 12:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bga_qG30JyY

Jimbuna

05-09-20, 12:38 PM

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps leads the daily briefing amid reports the UK will start quarantining travellers.

He says public transport will have a fraction of pre-pandemic capacity for some time.

More people will have to walk and cycle to work, Shapps says.

The briefing comes as the UK government reportedly plans a 14-day quarantine for arrivals from anywhere except the Republic of Ireland.

The policy is expected to come into force at the end of May and require self-isolation at a private residence.

Moscow celebrates Victory Day with a flypast after cancelling its parade but a full commemoration goes ahead in Belarus.

China's president expresses concern about the threat of the coronavirus to North Korea and offers help.

In South Korea, renewed restrictions are imposed on bars and clubs after a series of transmissions linked to Seoul's leisure district.

Global confirmed cases of Covid-19 near 4 million, with 275,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

05-09-20, 12:48 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/4xkx3qM7/0572cad4-64ff-4d44-84a8-7a3afa4b8ac6.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has called on people to exercise “total caution” ahead of a partial relaxation of the country’s lockdown.

Rio de Janeiro's Maracanã - one of the world's most famous football stadiums - is hosting a coronavirus hospital.

New analysis by the New York Times suggests a third of all US deaths can be traced to care homes and nursing facilities.

The coronavirus pandemic is a "big test" that has exposed weaknesses in China's public health system, a senior official has told Chinese media.

Slovakia has recorded no new cases of the coronavirus for the first since time in more than two months, as the country begins to ease restrictions on life.

There were no tanks, and no parade of soldiers and veterans, in the heart of Moscow to mark the 75th anniversary of victory in World War Two.

Researchers in Hong Kong have revealed positive results from a trial involving a three-drug antiviral cocktail.

Jimbuna

05-09-20, 12:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPSnx5wJFlk

mapuc

05-09-20, 01:12 PM

^ More and more countries and continent are gathering to send China a huge bill.

Wonder if China is able to pay it ?
And
Will they be interested in paying this huge bill ?

Markus

Jimbuna

05-09-20, 01:48 PM

Who is prepared to try and make them pay?

Skybird

05-09-20, 02:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bga_qG30JyY
While I of course support the advice to take Vit D, I again want to repeat that even higher doses of Vit-D, up to 10,000 I.U.s or so, might be recommendable but need to be supplemented by also taking Vit K2 and Magnesium.

Vit D resorbs calcium from the bones, that means it pulls it out of the bones, and that is bad for the bones, the calcium then is in the blood where it should not be, it can form crusts in the blood vessels, and kidney stones. The effect of taking high doses of Vit D thus sometimes can be "Hyperkalzämie", a too much of free calcium in your cardiovascular system, and again: kindey stones and arteriosclerosis. This is the real explanation for the bad reputation of Vit D, in the past they even named this "Vitamine D intoxication". Of course, that is bull.

Vit K now helps two things. It supports the blood clotting mechanism, and it supports the absorbation of clacium by the bones. Thus, it counters the calcium-resorbing effect of Vit-D. In simple words: high doses of Vit D gets the calcium out of the bones, Vit K puts it back in and keeps it there. This is the reason why good advice on Vit D always includes the advice to also take Vit K!!! The recommended dosis varies widely, like the dose for Vit K(2) also varies wildly. Most often you will read that if you take between 1,000 and 10,000 international units of Vit D, you may want to also take 100-250 micrograms of Vit K. Too much is again not wanted, because as I said: it supports blood clotting, and too much of that is not a wanted effect either... :D Consider this also when you take blood thinners together with drugs against high blood pressure. Bloot thinners and Vit K can work antagonistic.

Vitamine D needs a little bit of oil or fat to be fully absorbed. A daily tablespoon of any good and high quality oil, especially a good olive oil or linseed oil (we do not talk about taste here...) is a good idea anyway, due to the aminoacids and unsaturated fat acids. So why not making it a habit to use it when taling your daily D and K and Magnesium pills? ;) Vit D in dry pills simply is cheaper , much cheaper, than if you buy oil capsules or fishoil capsules.

[ General tip: do not be shy with oil in your kitchen, but use good oils. Fats and oil do not make you fat, but BAD oil and BAD fats, together with consumming other bad stuff like sugar, corn sirup and all that sh##, make you fat. A high quality oil, with the accent on "high quality", is very precious, and very healthy. Dare to be generous with it! The food you prepare also will taste better. I can only laugh about fat redcued food offers in the supermarket, much of that is even damaging to your health. Fats on sale at street stands and burger diners however I avoid ].

Also, the absorbation of Vit D takes Magnesium, and not just a little bit of that. Magnesium "activates" the vitamine, and in that process gets consummed, is no more available for the body afterwards. Magnesium has a long list of positive effects for a wide range of physiological processes and variables, preventing cramps is just one and porbbaly the most famous amiongst many arguments, so is a good idea to consume it anyway, but taking Vit D without Magnesium makes about as much sense as taking Vit D without Vit K2: it makes not much sense at all, and only a tiny fraction of the taken Vit D becomes available for your body at all: at the cost of reducing your already existing physical Magnesium reserve further. The recommended doses for Magnesium in supporting Vit D is 200-350 milligrams ADDITIONALLY to the other physiological needs for magnesium, thats the reason why I would consider to take even twice as much, even 600-800 milligrams.

Vit D, Vit K and Magnesium all belong necessarily together if you consume food supplmements.

Myself, I left a phase of arming up my immune system when corona started, and now have entered the routine phase of where I want to consume, for long time to come, 10 thosuand I.E.s of Vit-D, 250micrograms of Vitamine K2 and in that pill also 2000 micrograms of Vit-K in two other chemical formats that are not as effective and physiologically absorbable, and 720 milligrams of Magnesium.

Additionally I take twice a day two 1000 mg pills of Vitamine C which I will reduce to 1 pill soon, and when I leave the house, I do not just have a FFP2 or FFP3 mask with me, but also start to suck a small lozenge with 5 mg of Zinc and 50mg of Vitamine C. This way, the Zinc gets directly into contact with those cells where the virus usually prefers to enter the body: throat (and upper throat/nose area. ) Just swallowing Zinc in one quick pill is unproved so far to be effective in blocking Corona virusses that have entered cells. You need to get it diretcly into the attackledc cells, and so far Zinc lozanges seem to be the most promising method to bring Zinc onto the battlefield, therefore. - Why Zinc? Because it is proven in vitro to harden cells that got infested by other Corona virusses and preventing the virus from activating the infested cell's internal structures to start producing more virus, thats why. But note that I said: in vitro. In a petry dish, that means. Its a chance that further improves chances in your favour: not more, but then, also not less.

This all ^ is, beside obvious behavioral rules and avoidance and evasion tactics, my defence lineup against Covid 19. More I cannot do, I think, and I feel comfortable with this set. If I get hit, I hope to get away with a mild form and enjoying my immune system shooting the attackers into pieces. :up:

Skybird

05-09-20, 03:07 PM

The Robert Koch Institute released a news to the press that the reproduction value in Germany has climbed beyond the critical threshhold level of 1.0, to now 1.1 . Considering that Germans everywhere in recent days have started to go crazy, I expect it to climb further. At the same time the 16 federal states have made it clear that they will no longer listen to demands by Merkel for more discipline.

mapuc

05-09-20, 03:36 PM

Here in Denmark this R0(I think you call it) have gone down.

The last measurement was made in the end of April showed 0.9 and now according to a Danish newspaper who have quoted Danish Serum institute
(they do not mentioned any numbers)
And this despite they have open the society a little bit and despite many people having problems keeping social distance

Markus

Skybird

05-09-20, 05:01 PM

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/viren_demo_ts/25797818/2-format1007.jpg

Catfish

05-09-20, 05:12 PM

german WDR (West deutscher Rundfunk (west german broadcast))
"Social Media" LMAO

Corona conspiracy theories (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww1-wdr-de.cdn.ampproject.org%2Fv%2Fs%2Fwww1.wdr.de%2Fnach richten%2Fthemen%2Fcoronavirus%2Finterview-verschwoerungstheoretiker-katharina-nocun-100.amp%3Fusqp%3Dmq331AQFKAGwASA%253D%26amp_js_v%3 D0.1%23aoh%3D15890482826527%26referrer%3Dhttps%253 A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%26amp_tf%3DVon%2520%2525 1%2524s%26ampshare%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww1.wdr. de%252Fnachrichten%252Fthemen%252Fcoronavirus%252F interview-verschwoerungstheoretiker-katharina-nocun-100.html)

Jimbuna

05-10-20, 05:33 AM

In South Korea, renewed restrictions are imposed after a series of transmissions linked to Seoul's leisure district.
“It’s not over until it’s over," South Korea's President Moon says as he warns of second wave later this year.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson will outline plans on Sunday evening to ease the country's lockdown.
There will be live coverage of the address, from 19:00 BST here, and on BBC TV and radio.

Former President Barack Obama describes the US response to the coronavirus crisis as "an absolute chaotic disaster"

France records its lowest daily number of coronavirus deaths for more than a month, with 80 in 24 hours.

Cases in Ghana jump by nearly 30% in a single day, as 500 workers at an industrial facility test positive.

Global confirmed cases of Covid-19 have passed 4 million, with more than 277,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

05-10-20, 05:43 AM

Russia has recorded 11,012 new cases of the coronavirus in the past 24 hours, bringing its total number of infections to 209,688.

Australia is gradually easing its nationwide lockdown measures as part of a plan to move to a "Covid-safe economy" by July.

US President Donald Trump was “almost reckless” in promoting an untested anti-malarial drug as a possible treatment for coronavirus, a senior UK government adviser has said.

Former US President Barack Obama strongly criticised his successor Donald Trump over the US response to the coronavirus crisis, calling it "an absolute chaotic disaster"
Three key US officials guiding the coronavirus response, including Dr Anthony Fauci, were in self-quarantine on Saturday after coming into contact with someone who tested positive.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said she will not use the UK government's new slogan, "Stay alert, control the virus, protect lives."

Dorset, in south-western England, is to hold its annual knob-eating competition online for the first time.

South Korea reported 34 new cases of Covid-19 on Sunday, the biggest daily rise in a month, bringing the total number of infections to 10,874.

Rockstar

05-10-20, 08:03 AM

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3931126

China asked the WHO to cover up coronavirus outbreak: German intelligence service

Delay cost world 4 to 6 weeks: BND

Skybird

05-10-20, 08:29 AM

Dynamo Dresden becomes the third club of the Bundesliga with Corona cases identified in their team (two players are infected), and has put all its team in full quarantine. It will not play when they restart the league with ghost matches in May 16th.

I think the whole idea is a idiotic still birth, owing to financial greed of the big clubs only. I also oppose the idea of channelling so much of needed testing capacities to it, just to get the games going. These capacity should be used for nursing homes, and hposital stzaff instead. Football is no essential thing.

A small but real majority of Germans opposes the idea, too.

Two days ago, 2 distriocts were above the new treshold level of 50 infections per 100,000 population (then, so the states agreed, they would need to reverse the easinbgs of the lockdown). Yesterday it were 5 districts. Today it is 8. Most states seem to refuse to take action, at the time of typing this I know of only three having reacted to the return of the crisis in these 8 districts.

Demonstrations across Germany, a wild mix of right wingers, conspiration theoreticists, autonomous black blocks, Pegida fans, stupids, and the likes. Dense crowds in some cities. No masks. Police was described to have been helpless, and got attacked.

Rockstar beat me to it, the BND says that China pressed the WHO to help hoina hiding the beginning of the pandemic. The news is suspiciously unpresent in German media over here. I have the feeling that the government still is determined to take sides with Bejing in this.

The next wave in germany is in the making by all this. This time it will not be imported. This time it will be "made in Germany." If it continues like this, we will not need to have to wait until autumn. At the same time, many corona capacities in hospitals that were mounted and reserved, have been started to get build back.

Stuttgart demonstration on Saturday: no masks. No social distancing. Nothing.
https://media0.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/2357460475/1.6762790/format_top1_breit/kundgebung-in-stuttgart-am.jpg

Mr Quatro

05-10-20, 09:34 AM

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said she will not use the UK government's new slogan, "Stay alert, control the virus, protect lives."

Why can't stubborn people get along with each other?

Catfish

05-10-20, 11:08 AM

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3931126

China asked the WHO to cover up coronavirus outbreak: German intelligence service
Delay cost world 4 to 6 weeks: BND
What are you talking about? (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.handelsblatt.com%2Fpolitik%2Fi nternational%2Fpandemie-dem-virus-auf-der-spur-bnd-sieht-informationskrieg-um-corona%2F25810046.html%3Fticket%3DST-141222-dbcrAe7ITca6qYIMSQmi-ap4) :doh:
The BND has said nothing like this.

Information war between Washington and Beijing, and it is clear where Taiwan stands.

From the alleged report:
"BND doubts Corona intelligence file on China
The news went around the world: Five Western intelligence agencies made serious accusations against China's handling of the pandemic in a dossier. Could it be this paper does not exist?

According to a media report, there are doubts about a western secret service paper that China is said to have sharply criticized for dealing with the corona crisis. According to research by the NDR, the Federal Intelligence Service (BND) should have the relevant Information.

According to the broadcaster, the BND is said to have informed the foreign affairs committee of the Bundestag on Wednesday that the intelligence service was asking the suspected creators of the paper, the members of the "Five Eyes" secret service alliance. The NDR then reported that they had no knowledge of a common paper, the NDR reported on Thursday, citing the participants of the confidential committee meeting."

August

05-10-20, 11:16 AM

What are you talking about? (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.handelsblatt.com%2Fpolitik%2Fi nternational%2Fpandemie-dem-virus-auf-der-spur-bnd-sieht-informationskrieg-um-corona%2F25810046.html%3Fticket%3DST-141222-dbcrAe7ITca6qYIMSQmi-ap4) :doh:
The BND has said nothing like this.

Information war between Washington and Beijing, and it is clear where Taiwan stands.

Ok how about CNBC quoting your own paragon of truth Der Spiegel?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/08/german-spy-agency-doubts-us-china-lab-coronavirus-accusations-report-says.html

MGR1

05-10-20, 11:17 AM

Why can't stubborn people get along with each other?

Sturgeon doesn't have a monopoly on that particular trait!:03:

Note also that the devolved administrations for Northern Ireland and Wales have also declined to use the new message.

Responsibility for health is a devolved matter, so anything that the UK daily briefing team say on the matter only pertains to England, not the rest of the UK.

As for Scotland, the problem seems to be the slow progress in the death rate dropping. It actually plateaued for a number of weeks before it started to drop only a few days a go.

The main train of thought as to the reason points to the areas of extreme deprivation and poverty in the Clyde Valley conurbation. Inverclyde has had the highest rate of death per 10 000 people in Scotland.

Coronavirus: Scotland's virus death 'capital' calls for support (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52530505)

Coronavirus: Why might the R number be higher in Scotland? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52578939)

Mike.

Rockstar

05-10-20, 11:23 AM

From your linkFrance is also not clearly positioned. President Emmanuel Macron says there are questions that only China can answer. However, due to the dependence on supplies of medical materials from China, Paris wants to avoid an open confrontation.Sorts of defines the E.U. as a whole doesnt it? Beholden to China and wishy washy :roll:

Several weeks ago I asked what's known about your European leaders opinion on all of this and all I got was "we're investigating before we say". Reading the link you posted they apparently will not have an opinion since your leaders are too busy nursing on China's teet. The reason we havent heard from them is it looks like China owns your leaders, supply chain and your economy. Says something about where they stand too.

vienna

05-10-20, 12:38 PM

Coronavirus: Why might the R number be higher in Scotland?[/B] (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52578939)

Mike.

Haggis...?...

<O>

Catfish

05-10-20, 12:45 PM

Ok how about CNBC quoting your own paragon of truth Der Spiegel? […]

Yes, what about it? From the link you provided:

"Spiegel said Germany’s BND spy agency had asked members of the U.S.-led “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance for evidence to support the accusation. None of the alliance’s members, the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, wanted to support Pompeo’s claim, it said.

An intelligence report prepared for German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer concluded that the U.S. accusations were a deliberate attempt to divert public attention away from President Donald Trump’s “own failures”.

We will see, or not. Propaganda and the blame game are in full swing -

August

05-10-20, 01:12 PM

Yes, what about it? From the link you provided:

"Spiegel said Germany’s BND spy agency had asked members of the U.S.-led “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance for evidence to support the accusation. None of the alliance’s members, the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, wanted to support Pompeo’s claim, it said.

An intelligence report prepared for German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer concluded that the U.S. accusations were a deliberate attempt to divert public attention away from President Donald Trump’s “own failures”.

We will see, or not. Propaganda and the blame game are in full swing -

True but I don't see anyone producing evidence that it started by accident in a market either. Like you said we'll see,... maybe. There are lots of powerful entities who want this virus to be the fault of the US president and have shown a willingness to obfuscate and downright lie in order to promote that meme.

The bottom line is that China gave this virus to the world and those who defend them show their true colors.

em2nought

05-10-20, 01:23 PM

Haggis...?...

<O>
Booze, from the recollection of my misspent youth in Argyll.

Jimbuna

05-10-20, 02:07 PM

UK PM Boris Johnson has announced a "conditional plan" to reopen society as the coronavirus lockdown continues.

Johnson unveiled a threat level alert system for England consisting of five levels.

From Wednesday people will be able to do more outdoor exercise in England.

Primary schools may begin reopening in June, as may shops, and some of the hospitality industry may reopen in July.

People in England should be "actively encouraged" to go to work if they cannot work from home.

Johnson says it will "soon be the time... to impose quarantine on people coming into this country by air"

Leaders of the UK's devolved nations have rejected Johnson's new "stay alert" advice in favour of keeping the "stay at home" message.

In South Korea, renewed restrictions are imposed after a series of transmissions linked to Seoul's leisure district.

Infections rise in Germany, official data shows, just days after the country eases its lockdown restrictions.

Global confirmed cases of Covid-19 have passed 4 million, with more than 281,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

05-10-20, 02:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XCP1WzOY6M

mapuc

05-10-20, 02:19 PM

There's one thing I can't get out of my head

Have we been treating the worst case wrong ?

Been reading a lot about how high the dead percentage is among those who have been put in these Respirators.

In a Danish article a Chief Physician said 80 % of those who have been moved to a respirator have died at his department and similar result from other Danish hospital.

From what I understand, the same goes in other European countries

Markus

Mr Quatro

05-10-20, 02:21 PM

The bottom line is that China gave this virus to the world and those who defend them show their true colors.

The truth is far from China on all counts they use slave labor of people's that they don't like, they smash down churches, imprison anyone that is not registered by the China church, they lied about the bat thing proven that no bats of that variety came from that area so how could the market sell bats that were not of that region, but the lab nearby had a doctor that did study that particular species of bat :hmmm:

They continue to sell respirators that don't work and offer test kits that don't test right. I would just guess that 90% of our medicines come from China.

We can start to manufacture our own meds and quit trying to save a buck or two. By joining together with other countries that don't kiss China's butt we can influence them to play right or suffer the consequences :yep:

MGR1

05-10-20, 02:47 PM

Booze, from the recollection of my misspent youth in Argyll.

Don't forget drugs and the "Glasgow Effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_effect)" - the poorly understood cause of the pre-existing excess mortality rate in the Clyde Valley area.

Covid-19 is just exacerbating an already pre-existing situation, but how do you solve a problem when large parts of the population in the Clyde Valley's deprived areas suffer from paralytic apathy and outright nihilism? Millions of pounds have been spent in the area since WW2 without any real change occuring.

Mike.:hmmm:

ikalugin

05-10-20, 03:16 PM

Who do you think you are kidding? If doctors or anyone who dares to speak up against the russian government is being threatened or immediately "silenced", who do you think will really investigate? There will be fake investigations and similar "results" to calm down the public, and that will be all. "Cynical about newspapers" alright, i would be at least equally cynical of any governmental "report".

Maybe. But how can regional governors do something wrong when all they do is being directed and controlled from and by Moscow?
Moscow will of course blame local governors to divert from their own failures, how could Moscow ever be wrong? It is all so laughable.

You do not need to think just because democratic countries make mistakes (they do), that anyone here will see Russia or China as the shining example of how everything is great there and how countries should be run, by "professionals" like Xi Jinping or Erdoghan. Or Putin.

While we do have some problems this is not how our system works, there are a lot of real convictions for crimes conducted by officials (this has been already compared to the Khrushev era).

Because they are not, they have significant autonomy. For example Sobyanin was close to getting the stick for his borderline illegal measures (he jumped the gun with the quarantine), others resigned early and so on.

As per civil defence/emergency response rules (that were followed ie during other natural disasters such as floods etc) we had set up previously this is being handled on the region by region basis, as different regions have different situations on the ground.

I can't really judge how PRC and Turkey have been doing so far but you are really going after the wrong things here.

Onkel Neal

05-10-20, 07:59 PM

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/take-shutdown-skeptics-seriously/611419/

Take the Shutdown Skeptics Seriously
This is not a straightforward battle between a pro-human and a pro-economy camp.

Should states ease pandemic restrictions or extend lockdowns and shelter-in-place orders into the summer? That question confronts leaders across the United States. President Trump says that “we have to get our country open.” And many governors are moving quickly in that direction.

Critics are dismayed. Citing forecasts that COVID-19 deaths could rise to 3,000 per day in June, they say that reopening without better defenses against infections is reckless. That assessment may well be correct. Many insist it is immoral, too. The columnist Amy Z. Quinn says the Trump administration is “choosing money over lives.” In a CNN news analysis, Daniel Burke offers this characterization of America’s choice: “Should we reopen the economy to help the majority or protect the lives of the vulnerable?”

Denunciations of that sort cast the lockdown debate as a straightforward battle between a pro-human and a pro-economy camp. But the actual trade-offs are not straightforward. Set aside “flattening the curve,” which will continue to make sense. Are ongoing, onerous shutdowns warranted beyond what is necessary to avoid overwhelming ambulances, hospitals, and morgues?

The answer depends in part on an unknown: how close the country is to containing the virus.

If we knew that a broadly effective COVID-19 treatment was imminent, or that a working vaccine was months away, minimizing infections through social distancing until that moment would be the right course. At the other extreme, if we will never have an effective treatment or vaccine and most everyone will get infected eventually, then the costs of social distancing are untenable. We don’t know where we sit on that spectrum. So we cannot know what the best way forward is even if we place the highest possible value on preserving life and protecting the vulnerable.

That uncertainty means, at the very least, that Americans should carefully consider the potential costs of prolonged shutdowns lest they cause more deaths or harm to the vulnerable than they spare.

em2nought

05-10-20, 11:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XCP1WzOY6M

I want to know about the results on patients that weren't ill enough to already be in hospital. They seem to be deliberately NOT doing a study on those individuals. Think of the repercussions if they were to find out that it would have worked if taken soon enough, and it costs $20. :hmmm:

Catfish

05-11-20, 01:38 AM

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/take-shutdown-skeptics-seriously/611419/
Take the Shutdown Skeptics Seriously
This is not a straightforward battle between a pro-human and a pro-economy camp.
THIS.

OT here there is now a so-called "pandemic fury" in Germany, with thousands of people gathering and meeting in parks, a bit like the anti lockdown riots in the US (though here they do not have the economy in mind or so it seems). I guess not much will feel pity if they contract the disease, but how much people will they infect later? Irresponsible egoistic a$$holes. :nope:

Jimbuna

05-11-20, 05:44 AM

Lockdowns are slowly being eased across some parts of Europe.

In France, people are able to walk outside for the first time in weeks without filling in a permit.
Reports out of Paris suggest parts of the public transport system are struggling to maintain social distancing.

Spaniards outside Madrid and Barcelona can meet in bars and restaurants with outside spaces.

A 50-page document outlining the UK's plans for easing lockdown will be published later today.
The country is split over the government's new "stay alert" messaging, which replaces "stay at home"

China reported 17 new virus cases on Monday, its second consecutive double-digit increase.
Five of the new cases were reported in Wuhan, where the virus first emerged, and there is concern over an outbreak in the north.

New Zealand also announced a further loosening of restrictions.

Jimbuna

05-11-20, 06:00 AM

The starting point for lockdown fines in England will rise to £100 from Wednesday.
The first fine will be lowered to £50 if paid within 14 days, according to the Home Office.
Fines will double for each repeat offence, up to a maximum of £3,200.

Currently the fine for a first offence is £60 and more than 9,000 have been issued across the country.

The top-flight of professional football in Spain hopes to restart on 12 June, league president Javier Tebas has said.

A number of schools in Beijing are trialling temperature-testing bracelets in a bid to control the coronavirus pandemic.

Australians flocked to shopping centres across the country as coronavirus restrictions began to ease.

A little over half of Spain's 47 million will feel the lockdown ease after the country on Sunday registered its lowest number of daily Covid-19 deaths since mid-March, Reuters reported.

Onkel Neal

05-11-20, 07:30 AM

THIS.

OT here there is now a so-called "pandemic fury" in Germany, with thousands of people gathering and meeting in parks, a bit like the anti lockdown riots in the US (though here they do not have the economy in mind or so it seems). I guess not much will feel pity if they contract the disease, but how much people will they infect later? Irresponsible egoistic a$$holes. :nope:

I think one of the underlying factors is people in this era feel empowered to such a degree that if they are restricted from something, they react selfishly. We get what we want so frequently, we forget how to behave when we don't.

Example: https://turnto10.com/news/local/owner-closes-cape-cod-ice-cream-shop-rather-than-serve-rude-customers

An ice cream shop in Mashpee closed one day after it reopened because the owner said customers were being rude and became verbally abusive.

Mark Lawrence owns Polar Cave Ice Cream Parlour. He said patrons were so rude to his employees on the shop's first day back on Friday, one worker walked off the job.

Lawrence said customers became irate at the shop's new safety measures.

"Now I open the doors to a whole new world, with gloves and masks and we're running around like chickens, and people are like, where's my ice cream! I'm not a trauma center, it's ice cream," Lawrence told WFXT.

People.

.

MaDef

05-11-20, 08:40 AM

I think one of the underlying factors is people in this era feel empowered to such a degree that if they are restricted from something, they react selfishly. We get what we want so frequently, we forget how to behave when we don't.

That's the price of living in a "free" country. people are allowed to be selfish. I'ts right there in the Declaration of Independence. :salute:

MGR1

05-11-20, 11:58 AM

Interesting:

Coronavirus: Earlier Scottish lockdown 'could have prevented 2,000 deaths' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52617895)

More than 2,000 coronavirus deaths could have been prevented if Scotland had locked down two weeks earlier, according to a new study.
A team of epidemiological scientists at University of Edinburgh produced the findings, which feature in a BBC Disclosure investigation.
They suggest the death rate in Scotland could have been reduced by about 80% with earlier action.
Experts also told Disclosure the UK as a whole should have acted earlier.
The Scottish government said its actions had been guided by the best and most up-to-date scientific advice.
The BBC Disclosure programme, which will be broadcast on Monday night (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000j6ry), also reveals there were multiple transmissions of the virus in Edinburgh in February, well before the first confirmed cases in Scotland, but this was not disclosed to the public.
I would imagine that a similar situation pertained in all four nations of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it'll just depend on when or if the information comes to light.:hmmm:

Likewise for every Country on the planet.

Mike.

August

05-11-20, 12:26 PM

Well if you think about it they could quickly reduce the covid death rate to zero if they just weld everyone into their homes until we all die of starvation.

Be like a greener new deal. :hmmm:

Jimbuna

05-11-20, 12:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_xWHmafnc4

Jimbuna

05-11-20, 12:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6xW3gssIaw

Mr Quatro

05-11-20, 04:26 PM

Were all going to die :o

Skybird

05-11-20, 05:09 PM

Its paradoxical. We were more or less efficient in keeping the numbers down and preventing an uncontrolled mounting of cases overwhelming the health service in Germany. This prevented what was feared to happen. But that the big bad nd much feared scenario - repetition of scenes as in Italy - did not materialise now gets taken as evidence for that the threat was exaggerated and the state overreacted.

Successful prevention is taken as evidence for "having failed".

Humans. I could pull my hairs out, if I still would have some.

mapuc

05-11-20, 05:43 PM

Sweden again.

(From my memory)
Day before yesterday some guy who was a Virologist was interviewet by a Danish journalist in a news program.

The journalist asked on Sweden approach which is quite different than the rest of Europe and most of the world.

He said:
"Here in Denmark we have had a lock down and social distance to each others and only manage to get less than x %(Can't remember the number he said)hoard immunity among the citizens in Copenhagen
While Stockholm, Sweden har reach around 30-40 % hoard immunity.
Which mean when this Corona return in the autumn or winter..Sweden would be better to fight it, then we the Danes and other Europeans."

Those words made me remember some part of my youth where I had so bad luck to not only get the influenza ones but two times...in same season.

When Corona return it will most likely have mutated and if this be the case, would an immunity against this Strain(L) help ?

Markus

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 06:02 AM

South Korea says there are now 101 new cases of coronavirus linked to a nightclub district in Seoul.

Russia now has second-highest number of confirmed infections after the US.

Five Covid-19 hospital patients killed in St Petersburg fire linked to ventilator short-circuit.

Wuhan draws up plans to test all 11 million residents, Chinese state media report, amid new cluster fear.

Number of deaths linked to coronavirus in care homes in England and Wales fell in last week of April.

White House staff have been ordered to wear masks in the West Wing after two aides tested positive.

President Trump stalks out of press briefing as US deaths surpass 80,000.

Iran is reopening all mosques for three days to commemorate specific nights during Ramadan.

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 06:10 AM

London's public transport network expects to lose £4bn ($4.9bn) this year due to the impact of coronavirus.
During the UK lockdown, where people have been advised to stay at home, Transport for London (TfL) says it's lost 90% of its overall income.

Wolverhampton Wanderers have become the first English Premier League club to install a drive-through Covid-19 testing station at their training ground for players and staff.

After a 56-day break, a small number of France’s schoolchildren return to class. Teachers prepared classrooms for social distancing measures on Monday. About a million pupils will go back in the next week.

Senegal is easing coronavirus restrictions starting on Tuesday, including the reopening of markets and businesses.

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 06:15 AM

Chancellor Rishi Sunak is to reveal the future of the government's job retention scheme later, amid growing calls to extend it.

Currently more than six million people are having up to 80% of their wages paid by the government while they are temporarily on leave from their jobs.

Mr Sunak previously warned the furlough scheme, due to end in June, was not "sustainable" at its current rate.

The government is encouraging people in England to return to work if safe.

Former governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King, has said the chancellor should not reduce the coronavirus furlough scheme until the economy has recovered further.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak is to reveal the future of the government's job retention scheme later. Currently more than six million people are having up to 80% of their wages paid by the government while they are temporarily on leave from their jobs.

Lord King cautioned against reducing payments to 60% rather than 80%.

"I don't think it makes sense to regard this as the major cost of the Covid-19 crisis in economic terms," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

He said the payments would lead to a rise in national debt but said "we can finance that over a long period".

Lord King said: "The real cost of this shutdown is not measured by the impact on the public finances but by the lost incomes and outputs in the economy - a cost which is likely to end up as an order of magnitude (though no one can really know this) of several hundred billion pounds. That's an enormous cost."

Catfish

05-12-20, 07:50 AM

Sweden again. [...]
The journalist asked on Sweden approach which is quite different than the rest of Europe and most of the world.
Well the death rate in Sweden is three times as high as in other comparable countries; hard not to imagine this is because of avoiding a lockdown.

[...] When Corona return it will most likely have mutated and if this be the case, would an immunity against this Strain(L) help ? Markus
Who could say that for sure now? As far as i heard there is some kind of immunity but no one can say how long, and whether virus mutations would not overcome such immunity.
Better stay safe..

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 08:04 AM

The UK scheme to pay wages of workers on leave because of coronavirus will be extended to October, Chancellor Rishi Sunak said.

Mr Sunak confirmed that employees will continue to receive 80% of their monthly wages up to £2,500.

But he said the government will ask companies to "start sharing" the cost of the scheme from August.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52634759

Skybird

05-12-20, 09:18 AM

Chancellor Rishi Sunak
Sunak? Is he a Vulcan? :)

vienna

05-12-20, 11:32 AM

Sunak? Is he a Vulcan? :)

Could be...

We have a Ferengi as President...

https://images.dailykos.com/images/759999/large/11055250_1352441361451980_1153465263700679663_n.pn g?1579943383

<O>

mapuc

05-12-20, 12:56 PM

Did some math in American history to see which have been the most deadly in their history.

WW2 was from Dec 41 to Aug. 45 =44 month killing 416,800 from the military total 418,500(incl. civilians) which gives approx 9500 casualties per month

Civil war was from April 1861 to April 1865 = 48 month killing 620,000 which gives approx 12900 per month(Can't see if this number includes civilians or not)

Corona first known case 26 Feb 2020 ongoing 12 May = 2½ month killed so far approx 81,800 which gives approx. 32,700 per month.

I know I can not compare as I have done.
Because sooner or later the citizens will have developed some immunity.

It was more to find out which is or have been most deadly calculated per month and not year or period.

Markus

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 01:24 PM

Sunak? Is he a Vulcan? :)

British, born in Southampton, Hampshire to an Indian Punjabi family.

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 01:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETg355UoZT0

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 01:29 PM

UK government scheme paying wages of 7.5 million furloughed workers extended to October to help economy "bounce back"

Concerned workers have option of complaining to government if employers not abiding by safety guidelines, says senior official.

Official UK death toll rises by 627 to 32,692 but excess deaths - which include those indirectly caused by virus - top 50,000

Top US health adviser Dr Anthony Fauci warns states against re-opening too
soon and risking new outbreaks.

Skybird

05-12-20, 01:33 PM

British, born in Southampton, Hampshire to an Indian Punjabi family.
You could at least have tried to laugh a bit. :hmmm:

Skybird

05-12-20, 01:36 PM

Could be...

We have a Ferengi as President...

https://images.dailykos.com/images/759999/large/11055250_1352441361451980_1153465263700679663_n.pn g?1579943383

<O>

We have this:
https://radikaleheiterkeit.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/300.jpg

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 01:44 PM

Public Health Wales (PHW) said a total of 1,132 people have died in Wales after testing positive for coronavirus, an increase of 16 on Monday's figures.

A further 105 people have tested positive for Covid-19, bringing the total number of positive cases in Wales to 11,573.

Germany has seen a rise in its reproduction rate, or the rate of virus spread, after easing its lockdown - raising fears that infections could jump again as countries end their restrictions.

Denmark was one of the first European nations to adopt lockdown measures, and one of the first to end them. Primary school pupils returned to class on 15 April, and hairdressers reopened just days later.

Indian PM Narendra Modi unveils a $266bn (£217bn) support package to help the country mitigate the damage caused by the outbreak.

In Spain, a 113-year-old woman - believed to be the country's oldest - has recovered from Covid-19

New York City's Broadway theatres will remain closed until at least September.

The Lebanese cabinet has just declared the country will be in “total” shutdown from Wednesday at 19:00 (16:00 GMT) until Monday at 05:00. This is after a resurgence of cases reported on Monday and Sunday.
The country has 870 confirmed cases according to Johns Hopkins University, and 26 deaths due to the virus.

Jimbuna

05-12-20, 01:48 PM

You could at least have tried to laugh a bit. :hmmm:

Afraid not, my wife is a Punjabi.

Skybird

05-12-20, 02:00 PM

Thats not on Vulcan.

Skybird

05-12-20, 02:02 PM

Germany has seen a rise in its reproduction rate, or the rate of virus spread, after easing its lockdown - raising fears that infections could jump again as countries end their restrictions.

They said today they will from now on report a "corrected" R-value only, wich is below 1.0 since weeks and by their claim is more suited to mean something.

Chinese deja vu.

skidman

05-12-20, 02:11 PM

While Stockholm, Sweden har reach around 30-40 % hoard immunity.
Which mean when this Corona return in the autumn or winter..Sweden would be better to fight it, then we the Danes and other Europeans."

When Corona return it will most likely have mutated and if this be the case, would an immunity against this Strain(L) help ?

First of all nobody knows if the immunity levels are significantly higher in Sweden than in the lockdown countries. Most critics of lockdown measures neglect that in Sweden the lion share of people reduced the numbers of social contacts, worked in home office etc. voluntarily.

Nobody knows how long a immunized person is in fact immune. The virus constantly mutates, slowly but perpetually. How "good" are the antibodies produced by the first infection? Ask a fortune-teller.

Some fun facts, cause the battle is raging between "lockdowners" and "looseners":

If you compare the per-capita death rates of different countries most of the data makes sense:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?zoomToSelection=true&country=BEL+DNK+DEU+SWE+GBR+USA

Germany, Denmark: Early moderate lockdown, good healthcare system

USA: Late response, incompetent federal governance, poor healthcare system

Sweden: No lockdown, well educated population, fair healthcare system

UK: Hard but much too late lockdown, flagging healthcare system

Belgium: Well, it's Belgium, 'nuff said.

mapuc

05-12-20, 02:29 PM

^Thank you skidman

Secondly talking about this famous second wave of Corona the leader of the Danish serum institut said following

He consider it 'very unlikely' that there will be another wave of corona virus.

And this is why I'm totally confused.

Some expert say this other say that...I who aren't exactly an expert in medicin is confused.

Markus

August

05-12-20, 04:45 PM

Hey forum medical experts is this Graham guy right?

http://thepilotspub.org/download/file.php?id=11437

Skybird

05-13-20, 03:15 AM

First of all nobody knows if the immunity levels are significantly higher in Sweden than in the lockdown countries. Most critics of lockdown measures neglect that in Sweden the lion share of people reduced the numbers of social contacts, worked in home office etc. voluntarily.

Nobody knows how long a immunized person is in fact immune. The virus constantly mutates, slowly but perpetually. How "good" are the antibodies produced by the first infection? Ask a fortune-teller.

Some fun facts, cause the battle is raging between "lockdowners" and "looseners":

If you compare the per-capita death rates of different countries most of the data makes sense:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?zoomToSelection=true&country=BEL+DNK+DEU+SWE+GBR+USA

Germany, Denmark: Early moderate lockdown, good healthcare system

USA: Late response, incompetent federal governance, poor healthcare system

Sweden: No lockdown, well educated population, fair healthcare system

UK: Hard but much too late lockdown, flagging healthcare system

Belgium: Well, it's Belgium, 'nuff said.
Adding to Sweden, some time ago when reading about Vitamine D i read that in Europe Sweden is way, way ahead in supplementing food with Vitamine D, they do this much more than anyone else in Europe. The text and table did not say however whether it is done by adding Vit-D to food from the shelves, or whether households are used to take pills privately. Probably no other population in Europe is as high-drugged on Vitamine D, than the Swedes, the conclusion of the author was.

In Germany that empty hole on shoulders called the german consumers rights minister wants exactly the opposite. She wants to limit any such supplements to menaingless, ineffevctive levels or better: ban them all completely.

She already prevented a simple food stoplight system ( narking the concern level of a product in greenl yellow and red, especially regarding sugar, calories, salt), making it more complicated again so that her buddies in the industry have more opportunities to hide disadvantageous food values in the small print.

What do you expect from a ministress whose only qualification is that she once won a little crown and became the seasonal wine queen in her town. Like fire protection should protect from fire, consumer protection should protect from consumers, is the motto of her reign.

Platapus

05-13-20, 05:19 AM

Of all the things I learned in Elementary School, I never would have thought that, in 2020, avoiding cooties would be the most important. :D

Jimbuna

05-13-20, 05:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fxw3nTZYlA

Jimbuna

05-13-20, 05:30 AM

Jimbuna

05-13-20, 05:41 AM

New guidance issued by the College of Policing says officers in England have "no powers" to enforce two metre social distancing.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has flown to Israel for socially-distanced meetings with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his new coalition partner Benny Gantz.
Pompeo got off his plane at Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion Airport wearing a red, white and blue face mask.

Austria and Germany have agreed to open their borders in two steps: some restrictions will be lifted on Friday before a full reopening on 15 June.

Germany has seen 798 new infections over the past 24 hours, authorities said on Wednesday. The daily death toll rose by 101 to 7,634. Both numbers are in line with the past days' statistics.
The overall number of confirmed infections now stands at more than 171,000, according to official data. Most people though have recovered already and there are only about 18,000 active cases.

Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia will open their borders to each other from Friday - creating a so-called Baltic bubble.

Beaches on France's north-west coast will start reopening on Wednesday but gatherings of more than eight people are banned.

Belgium's only naturist beach at Bredene won't open at all this year.

Police in Paris had to evacuate the steps of the Sacré-Cœur on Tuesday night because too many people had gathered.

Sweden’s government has promised to fund training for 10,000 healthcare assistants and care home nurses, after criticism of how it handled the spread of coronavirus among the elderly.

Australia says it's had no known cases of a rare new syndrome affecting children that has been linked to coronavirus.

Singapore has sentenced a US pilot to four weeks in prison for breaking his mandatory quarantine.

Health officials in South Sudan have for the first time confirmed cases of coronavirus in camps for people displaced by conflict.

MGR1

05-13-20, 11:35 AM

People in England who cannot work from home are being encouraged to return to their workplaces on Wednesday.

Unlimited exercise, meeting a friend at the park and moving house are also now allowed, under new rules.

The UK economy contracted by 2% in the first three months of the year, official figures show.

The top US infectious diseases doctor has warned of "needless suffering and death" if the country opens up too soon.

Brazil sees a record daily rise in the number of virus deaths, as President Bolsanaro insists the economy must be allowed to run.

Russia orders a stop to the use of ventilators believed to have caused two fires at coronavirus hospitals.

Staff at Twitter have been told they can continue working from home for as long as they see fit.
Further to Jim's info for the UK nations,

Scotland's death rate continues to fall (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52646588) for the second week in a row. The National Records of Scotland said 415 deaths have been linked to the virus in the past week - 110 fewer than the week before.

However, people in the most-deprived areas of Scotland (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52637581) are more than twice as likely to die with Covid-19 than those in the least deprived areas, new data reveals. The latest weekly figures from the National Record of Scotland (https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/covid19stats) show additional analysis of the impact of deprivation on mortality. It shows that the death rate among people living in the 20% most-deprived areas is 86.5 per 100,000. In the least-deprived fifth of Scottish areas the figure is just 38.2.

As the different parts of the UK are easing lockdown at different rates it means that there is now significant divergence between them, comparison on the different approaches of England and Scotland: LINK (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52616182).

The Northern Ireland Executive has published plans for how the province will start easing the lockdown there. Unlike plans announced in England (https://order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/FINAL-6.6637_CO_HMG_C19_Recovery_FINAL_110520_v1_WEB.pdf ) and the Republic of Ireland (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52509390), NI's blueprint does not include a timetable - but the First Minister said she hoped to reach the final stage by December. Progression will depend on key health criteria being met, Arlene Foster said. The first step includes changes to rules on exercise and churches being able to open for private prayer.

The Nightingale Hospital in Northern Ireland is to be temporarily stood down, the health minister has said. Belfast City Hospital's tower block was turned into a 230-bed unit (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52129644) for critically-ill patients last month. Nightingale hospitals are temporary facilities that were set up across the UK (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52070611) to deal with the expected surge in coronavirus patients. Robin Swann said the facility could still be used, if modelling suggested a second wave of the virus.

Mike.

Jimbuna

05-13-20, 11:50 AM

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