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Jimbuna
04-13-20, 06:08 AM
China on Sunday reported 108 new cases, its highest number in weeks - almost all were imported.
Spain has started easing strict lockdown measures; its daily death toll as fallen again.
Oil prices have steadied after a deal to slash output by 10%
New York deaths remain high but the hospital admission rate is down.
More than 22,000 people have now died with coronavirus in the US.
On Sunday, UK deaths in hospitals surpassed 10,000
Prime Minister Boris Johnson was discharged from hospital and is recovering at home.
More than 1.8m people have been confirmed infected globally, according to a US university count
Jimbuna
04-13-20, 06:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiqplRCgfHU
Jimbuna
04-13-20, 07:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN3h4nrjnHc
Catfish
04-13-20, 09:36 AM
[...]
Prime Minister Boris Johnson was discharged from hospital and is recovering at home. [...]
Good to hear :)
Then i saw this :haha:
https://i.imgur.com/5ZJ4Vpom.jpg
Jimbuna
04-13-20, 09:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiZO2J5oHuQ
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 11:10 AM
It looks like an awful lot of people who have actual expertise were very active in trying to get those in power to listen...
<O>
If your car breaks down, because you didn't change the oil or pay attention to the warning light ... It's your fault, but now is not the time to point that out.
Now is the time to fix the problem and get back to normal in this case with social distancing, face mask, staying in home, keep your pantry full
and in my case prayer which is trusting the Lord to bring us peace before the NFL football season starts :D
Jimbuna
04-13-20, 11:18 AM
French President Emmanuel Macron is expected to announce the extension of lockdown measures in a TV address.
Staff in the UK National Health Service are facing a limited supply of protective gowns, a manager warns.
New York reports 671 news deaths, bringing the city's total to more than 10,000
Russia has recorded 2,500 new infections, the country's largest daily increase in cases so far.
Moonlight
04-13-20, 11:26 AM
You should have posted the article as well Catfish, :O: https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/britain-waiting-for-medical-all-clear-to-think-boris-is-a-dick-again-20200410195338
Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 11:28 AM
(Me at hooker position)
Somehow I don't see you at this position.
:hmmm:
https://www.public-sex-pics.com/images/street_hooker_pictures.jpg
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 11:48 AM
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Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 11:54 AM
You ACTUALLY got sucked into that FALSE crap?
:o
To Quote Trump,
"False News!"
https://tristatevoice.com/2020/04/10/did-david-wilkerson-give-a-prophecy-about-a-plague-in-new-york-city-back-in-1986/
I suppose you believe that the Virus is a Biological Weapon also.
In a way it might be but probable suspect is Mother Nature.
FBI and other Law Enforcement Agencies are currently searching for her whereabouts.
Jack Frost, a known associate, is also a subject of interest in the case.
Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, after intense questioning, have been cleared in the case.
em2nought
04-13-20, 12:03 PM
Somehow I don't see you at this position.
:hmmm:
https://www.public-sex-pics.com/images/street_hooker_pictures.jpg
She's too healthy looking for a hooker. Needs oozing sores on her arms from her needles and a face that's more sunken.
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 12:05 PM
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Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 12:06 PM
She's too healthy looking for a hooker. Needs oozing sores on her arms from her needles and a face that's more sunken.
:o
You must know more about hookers then I do!
:haha::03:
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 12:06 PM
She's too healthy looking for a hooker. Needs oozing sores on her arms from her needles and a face that's more sunken.
Plus no tattoos :o
Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 12:07 PM
No I don't believe in that crap ... I believe in facts that a man of God said this was going to happen 34 years ago and it is happening.
If you don't believe in the part about bars and churches and the government being shut down then believe in the part about New York.
Did you care to watch the video ... turn the sound off and watch it :yep:
Did you bother to read the link I posted?
Probably not.
Next We'll see that Nostradamus predicted this.
I mean he did predict Hitler right?
You ACTUALLY got sucked into that FALSE crap?
:o
1986 equals 1+9+8+6= 24. 2+4=6. 6 is part of 666. :o Which = 18 or 1+8 which = 9.
See?
Um, why do we have to turn the sound off? Is this a prophecy for only the deaf? :hmmm:
Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 12:13 PM
Klose, an author and freelance blogger, said, “The quote by David Wilkerson was pieced together by someone who took some of his prophecies to make a new quote. While he was a prophetic teacher, please don’t misuse his words. Integrity counts even with prophetic voices and teaching. Source your quotes!”
Get ready for the next INQUISITION people!
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 12:16 PM
Did you bother to read the link I posted?
Probably not.
Sorry Jeff ... my mistake I thought you were going to bash Trump.
I'll try to be more careful when people post links from now on, but some of them are traps.
Yours was good ... by the way do you think President Trump got serious after they showed him this prophecy?
Aktungbby
04-13-20, 12:16 PM
Somehow I don't see you at this position.
:hmmm:
https://www.public-sex-pics.com/images/street_hooker_pictures.jpg YOU'RE STANDIN' ON THE WRONG CORNER...AS USUAL!...WITH $5.00 IN YOUR POCKET! :Dhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/16/23/541623ae669aa1361ccbd7ab54e9b3e0.jpg
WE USED TO PRACTICE AGAINST OUR OWN CLUB'S LADIES TEAM....AND DISCOVERED WE WERE THE 'PUSSIES'... THESE GALS HIT LOW AND HARD. WOMEN'S-LIB (ME TOO MOVEMENT) WASN'T AN ISSUE FOR ME AFTER THE MID-70'S-PAIN IS A GREAT EQUALIZER! :o I'D BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SCRUM AT 150 LBS!:yep: MY CLUB'S RT.> https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10391593_168384434583_8372233_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=7aed08&_nc_ohc=7K8kIcKJ7WwAX-4IBCg&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=fff4e24231752103a5c7789ea4e07daa&oe=5EB85A93 https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1015479845688467456/ghLXQgXm_400x400.jpg�� ALL RUGBY ACTIVITIES CANCELLED UNTIL APRIL ��
Due to coronavirus, NCRFU has decided to suspend all rugby activities (practices and games) until April 5th and will continue to evaluate the situation as things move forward. Stay safe, all
HALF A CENTURY LATER:yeah::https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zov5qCIAAxe9d.jpg:large
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 12:18 PM
1986 equals 1+9+8+6= 24. 2+4=6. 6 is part of 666. :o Which = 18 or 1+8 which = 9.
See?
Um, why do we have to turn the sound off? Is this a prophecy for only the deaf? :hmmm:
Good math ET2, but 666 spells the name of man ... let he that has wisdom know what this means :yep:
Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 12:20 PM
YOU'RE STANDIN' ON THE WRONG CORNER...AS USUAL!...WITH $5.00 IN YOUR POCKET!
The Wife don't allow me to carry more then 5 bucks cash.
:roll:
Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 12:22 PM
but 666 spells the name of man
Thought that was the mark of the devil?
That's what MaMa told me!
Ah! I see where your going with this 666 stuff!
More unproven crap.
Ain't there a thread for Religion stuff?
Aktungbby
04-13-20, 12:26 PM
The Wife don't allow me to carry more then 5 bucks cash.
:roll: THAT'D CERTAINLY BLOW YER WAD!https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/pauper-men-empty-pockets-city-park-bottle-vodka-whisky-near-alky-wino-male-unfortunate-poverty-pleb-alcoholic-85502719.jpg:shucks:
Thought that was the mark of the devil?
That's what MaMa told me!
STICK WITH MAMA....MARRIED MEN LIVE LONGER!:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 12:32 PM
Thought that was the mark of the devil?
That's what MaMa told me!
True! Doesn't have anything to do with today or with the fact that Bill Gates wants to use a tattoo ID chip for everyone to see
if they have had the virus Covid-19 and are cleared to go back to work.
By the way I read the rest of your link and your way of thinking is that the David Wilkerson prophecy is not the real thing.
https://tristatevoice.com/2020/04/10/did-david-wilkerson-give-a-prophecy-about-a-plague-in-new-york-city-back-in-1986/
Times Square Church made an announcement after receiving numerous inquiries about the quote that has gone viral:
“To the best of our knowledge, David Wilkerson has never made this statement, either in his prophetic books or in his recorded messages.”
A representative of the church also noted, “We are not saying that the quote is not true. Rather, that we cannot corroborate if it is true or not.”
The prophecy was given in 1986, but the Times Square Church did not open till Oct 1987
Address: 1657 Broadway, New York, NY 10019
Phone: (212) 541-6300
Opened: Oct 1987
Good math ET2, but 666 spells the name of man ... let he that has wisdom know what this means :yep:
OK, but that 6 also means 4+2. Or, 42. :up:
And you know what that means, right? :o
Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 12:32 PM
[COLOR=orange]STICK WITH MAMA....MARRIED MEN LIVE LONGER!
But can I out live Mama?
"Marriage helps husbands to an extra 1.7 years, but it knocks 1.4 years off the average wife's lifespan"
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 12:35 PM
OK, but that 6 also means 4+2. Or, 42. :up:
And you know what that means, right? :o
Not really???
Jeff-Groves
04-13-20, 12:39 PM
It means if you multiply by 10 it's time to smoke a joint.
Not really???
The answer to life, the universe, everything.. :rock:
https://i.etsystatic.com/7051712/r/il/a300c0/1582669780/il_794xN.1582669780_b4cs.jpg
Jimbuna
04-13-20, 01:35 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/V6tTtxZP/2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Platapus
04-13-20, 04:47 PM
OK, but that 6 also means 4+2. Or, 42. :up:
And you know what that means, right? :o
Half Life 3 Confirmed :D
Jeez, nobody told me there was going to be a maths pop quiz...
<O>
Rockstar
04-13-20, 05:26 PM
OK, but that 6 also means 4+2. Or, 42. :up:
And you know what that means, right? :o
:hmmm: science has deduced the whole of the classical universe from nothing more than the real numbers and the finite groups. In fact finite groups are very easily deduced as whole real numbers. As shown by Bertrand Russel all real numbers can be deduced from nothing more than the number 1. In short, if the number one exists, then the universe exists. Indeed, the whole universe is nothing more than the solitary number 1.
But it doesnt have to be the number 1 you know. Any whole number will do, including the number 42. :yep:
Deep Thought
First I thought Skybird was a little to depressive on his comments on our food and other stuff in the future.
Then I saw this evening news on Swedish tv. There they mention the risk for interference of freight incl. food and freshwater.
To get freshwater they need some type of chemical which is imported from outside Sweden
They predict a (forgot the word) of in and outgoing freight.
Later on the Swedish MSB withdraw the warning on Freshwater.
Markus
em2nought
04-13-20, 05:59 PM
The Wife don't allow me to carry more then 5 bucks cash.
:roll:
With that amount of cash you're going to need a ticket to Bogota. :03:
The CBS news magazine program 60 Minutes broadcast this segment yesterday, 12 April about the Covid-19 pandemic and the lack of preparedness in the USA; unfortunately, the video of the segment is posted only on CBS's home site and is not available in areas outside the US...
The segment caused a bit of a dust up with White House Adviser Peter Navarro who demanded CBS produce any 60 Minutes segments from the past that foreshadowed a pandemic such as we are seeing now and that called for advanced preparedness; it did not go well for Navarro and his position...
(Please note, starting at 1:48 into the video, the replay of the actual archived 60 Minutes segments begins and their year of original broadcast appears in the upper left corner of the clip):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSx704KK_Ik
This is the original, full 60 Minutes segment from 2005, as aired; Dr. Fauci's appearance in the segment starts at 11:24 into the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP001Dum-Ps
The idea that no one knew or could anticipate something like the current pandemic has pretty much been blown out of the water; the question is, given how very badly the current situation has been handled, what can be done to correct the gross errors that caused the present crisis?...
Whatever the answer may be, it certainly can't be a return to the present ineptitude, incompetence, and ignorance that led us to this point...
A bit more of 'Past Is Prologue' from 2009...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPoeowreay0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2V5X3wYEc
<O>
Came to think of a Swedish proverb, after following my own countries handling this corona crisis and the way your elected politicians have handled this corona crisis.
"Alla Sätt är bra, utom de dåliga". = "Every Ways are good, except the bad ones"
I guess it's first when this is over we can say if it was a good way they toke.
Markus
The point is obvious to those who will see it...
What's your point?...
<O>
Rockstar
04-13-20, 06:55 PM
I reject both your points and replace them my own :D
What exactly do we prepare for? Can we develop diagnostic systems which can tell doctors exactly what virus or bacteria is infecting you, is that even possible? How do we detect the asymptomatic spreading the joy unbeknownst to others? How do we fundamentally change our economies and transportation systems to deal with pandemics? What machines do we build now in preparation? Do we keep sprawling around the globe unrestricted like ants? Do we step back a bit and rethink this globalization thing or do we get back up and go at it again hair out fangs on fire until the next pandemic? How do we prepare for the inevitable strike by an asteroid? Why do we keep building homes on shores pummeled every year by hurricanes?
Woulda coulda shoulda here's your big chance to make your voice heard before it happens again.
I knew a black haired beauty with big dark eyes and points on her own sitting way up high. Way up firm and high.
Buddahaid
04-13-20, 07:22 PM
What's the point vienna?
The point is you don't prepare for eventual war by recruiting an army after it's started. :shucks:
Rockstar
04-13-20, 09:09 PM
Face it, the point is nobody really gives a crap until it directly affects them. Think about the amount of food civilized nations produce. Yet each year 100's of thousands of people die from not having anything to eat. Out of sight of mind.
Buddahaid
04-13-20, 09:13 PM
Not entirely true. There are emergency supplies and equipment stored, just not for this problem to an appropriate level.
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 09:35 PM
Face it, the point is nobody really gives a crap until it directly affects them.
Toilet paper comes to mind :yep:
Mr Quatro
04-13-20, 10:10 PM
vienna's new face mask :D
https://www.facebook.com/barbara.blaisdell.5/videos/10217317289232936/
em2nought
04-14-20, 12:46 AM
Not entirely true. There are emergency supplies and equipment stored, just not for this problem to an appropriate level.
Shame "somebody" didn't restock some of those after he diminished them. :03: But then he walked on water so nobody in the press would have ever called him on it then or now. Democrats have that herd immunity to bad press it seems. :har:
vienna's new face mask :D
https://www.facebook.com/barbara.blaisdell.5/videos/10217317289232936/
Nah, not my style... or gender...
But, say...
Does any else know about your deep personal interest in feminine hygiene products?... :haha:
<O>
vienna's new face mask :D
https://www.facebook.com/barbara.blaisdell.5/videos/10217317289232936/
What a crappy mask!! :yep:
Skybird
04-14-20, 03:30 AM
I reject both your points and replace them my own :D
What exactly do we prepare for? Can we develop diagnostic systems which can tell doctors exactly what virus or bacteria is infecting you, is that even possible? How do we detect the asymptomatic spreading the joy unbeknownst to others? How do we fundamentally change our economies and transportation systems to deal with pandemics? What machines do we build now in preparation? Do we keep sprawling around the globe unrestricted like ants? Do we step back a bit and rethink this globalization thing or do we get back up and go at it again hair out fangs on fire until the next pandemic? How do we prepare for the inevitable strike by an asteroid? Why do we keep building homes on shores pummeled every year by hurricanes?
:doh:
>>> VACCINE. <<<
Helped nicely in battling measels, diphteria, poliomyelitis, pneumococcus, to give just a few of the famous exmaples.
Buddahaid
04-14-20, 04:26 AM
Shame "somebody" didn't restock some of those after he diminished them. :03: But then he walked on water so nobody in the press would have ever called him on it then or now. Democrats have that herd immunity to bad press it seems. :har:
Funny how you make leaps with that herd.
Skybird
04-14-20, 05:05 AM
First stop in a grocery this morning, after several days. I learned that mankind seems to have an infinite supply of stupid people. While slowly more and more people show up wearing masks and staff mostly wore simple textile masks as well, at the cash desk there sat a woman having it hanging around at her chin, nose uncovered, mouth almsot uncovered, just her lower lip covered. What the...? . Another customer confronted her on that, calling her behaviourr disrespectful and de facto a case of attempted physical violence (I loved to hear that, for i think in same terminology on behaviour like that). The stupid woman than started to weasel and make foul excuses of that the mask is not intended to block the nose, and that people cannot understand her, and that she feels uncomfortabl with it, and that it is all a big misunderstanding and masks do nothing anyway. I grew increasingly angry at this head-internal vacuum of hers, and chimed in, slapping a couple of numbers in her stupid face, and that the mask of the type she was supposed to wear, was meant to protect the customers from her, and that stupids like her were the reason why I wear an FFP in self defence although my face heats up and I sweat like in a sauna and breathing is anything but fun with it.
The virus is around - but with human stupdity it is even much worse. Its hopeless. stupid stupid people everywhere.
Next was the baker shop in the same grocery. The salesgirl there wore rubber gloves. Fine - if only she would have done it right. With the same hand that she took bread and croissants with, she also took notes and coins. I asked her whether she ever has truly understood the logic behind wearing gloves in her job, or why using two different hands for two different tasks: one hand for the money, the other for the food items. At least why to use a piece of small paper intended for this purpose when grabbing for bread. And again this stupid bitch started an argument with me and started to weasel. Best: she was angry and was relieved by a colleague, an older woman being in better intellectual state, the girl stripped off the gloves to leave for a break, and then without further washing her hands she used her sweaty, bacteria-enriched glossy hand and grabbed a piece of cake for herself. Washing hands or using a desinfectant? You rather hear a chimp reasoning about relativity.
Stupid stupid bitches everywhere. With Covid 19 I can arrange myself to the circumstances, with stupidity, i cannot. But i at least can claim the right of self defence and thus has made it a hobby to openly and publicly confront such stupids with loud voice so that all bystanders must take note of it and make the stupids feel extremely uncomfortable.
Just for you, my beloved dear stupid ones: a lecture in the obvious. Saddenign that stuff like this must first be explicitly studied before it is beign announced or accepted. If I shove my fist into empty air, and your face happens to be right in the path and in the middle of it you get hurt. What further examination does it need to understand this? Filter layers block air currents and deflect or neutrlalise them. Better filters do this better. What is so difficult in undertanding this...? Bad filters to a worse job in this. What a miracle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycf6bAMKgjg
Just protecting the others from you, is not enough. you should also want to protect yourself from the others, especially from their stupidity. Claim your right of self-defence. This is not about logn temr consequences after many repetitions, this ios not passive smoking for ten minutes. We are talking about a very extremely infectous deasease with potentially immediate severe health consequences mnaifestating not after years, but a few days. Wear FFP masks in closed compartments and shops, stay away from crowds and joggers in the open, and aggressively confront those who violate even the most essential mininimums of adequate behaviour. Make them feel shabby. Direct public anger and unwanted attention at them. Protect yourself - its only a question of time before the next 24/7 retard slams into you.
Why you must want to do so in your own best interest? Because this story is far from being over. It will keep us busy for as long as there is no vaccine. In other words we will play these new games for at least one year to come.
Oh, and the German officials have apparently given up their undefendable position of telling the public they should not wear good masks. They do not actively recommend FFP masks, but at least they have stopped to advise actively against them. Well, you cannot deny obvious reality forever. Sooner or later it catches you. Because there always is just one reality, and not more.
Jimbuna
04-14-20, 05:46 AM
About one in 10 coronavirus-related deaths in England and Wales took place outside hospital in the week to 3 April.
Some small shops in Austria reopen but some Italian regions postpone relaxation of lockdown restrictions.
India's nationwide lockdown has been extended until 3 May.
In an angry press conference, US President Donald Trump denied ignoring early warnings about the coronavirus.
China says it recorded no coronavirus deaths on Monday.
More than 1.9 million people worldwide have been confirmed to have the virus.
Jimbuna
04-14-20, 05:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na56yAixtZY
Jimbuna
04-14-20, 06:22 AM
More than one in five deaths being seen in England and Wales is linked to coronavirus, figures show.
The Office for National Statistics data showed the virus was mentioned on 3,475 death certificates in the week ending 3 April.
It helped push the total number of deaths seen in that week to more than 16,000 - a record high and 6,000 more than expected at this time of year.
Normally the number of deaths falls as winter ends.
This is because there is less flu circulating.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52278825
Mr Quatro
04-14-20, 08:59 AM
More than one in five deaths being seen in England and Wales is linked to coronavirus, figures show.
The Office for National Statistics data showed the virus was mentioned on 3,475 death certificates in the week ending 3 April.
It helped push the total number of deaths seen in that week to more than 16,000 - a record high and 6,000 more than expected at this time of year.
Normally the number of deaths falls as winter ends.
This is because there is less flu circulating.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52278825
This is of course not a normal year ... personally my year changed a week after the super bowl with what I thought was the flu ... which may later be attributed to the virus after I take the new anti-body test coming out then I will know, but now they say that you still have a chance of getting the virus even after you had it once :o
I like to point out to my friends that complain the flu is worse than the Covid-19 virus ...
"Show me how many doctors and nurses are dying from the flu" and I will show you the difference. :o
Skybird
04-14-20, 09:54 AM
With his latest triumph, Trumpman has joined DC's marvel heroes, no doubt. :doh: Superman flies. The Hulk gets green. Batman is clever in electronics. But only Trumpman is the non-faked Alpha and Omega.
Most glorious narcissist I have ever witnessed. :o Narcissism - and an extra-large dosis of revisionism.
Mr Quatro
04-14-20, 10:21 AM
With his latest triumph, Trumpman has joined DC's marvel heroes, no doubt. :doh: Superman flies. The Hulk gets green. Batman is clever in electronics. But only Trumpman is the non-faked Alpha and Omega.
Most glorious narcissist I have ever witnessed. :o Narcissism - and an extra-large dosis of revisionism.
It's hard to understand how people that hate President Trump can even hear a word he says :hmmm:
Jimbuna
04-14-20, 10:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZhBy64bimc
Jimbuna
04-14-20, 10:30 AM
The latest UK figures show 778 more people have died in hospital.
The pandemic has plunged the world into a "crisis like no other", the IMF says.
The UK economy could shrink by 35% if the lockdown lasts three months, a tax watchdog warns.
Care homes in the UK have been 'left behind' with little access to testing and PPE.
Dozens of countries could see measles outbreaks as children are not immunised on time amid the pandemic, Unicef warns.
Mr Quatro
04-14-20, 11:03 AM
Dozens of countries could see measles outbreaks as children are not immunised on time amid the pandemic, Unicef warns.
Samoa measles outbreak
In fact this just happened on the island of Samoa where only 20% had been vaccinated due to superstition against it.
The 2019 Samoa measles outbreak began in September 2019. As of 6 January 2020, there were over 5,700 cases of measles and 83 deaths, out of a Samoan population of 200,874. Over three percent of the population were infected. The cause of the outbreak was attributed to decreased vaccination rates, from 74% in 2017 to 34% in 2018, even though nearby islands had rates near 99%.
Rockstar
04-14-20, 11:08 AM
I noticed early on how all of the freeze dried food had been scooped up by people preparing for the long term. Today I was perusing sites like Midway, Cheaper Than Dirt, Buffalo Arms looking at .45 colt ammo. Seems even that is getting and harder to come by.
Jimbuna
04-14-20, 11:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO8uCA5AMe8
Mr Quatro
04-14-20, 11:14 AM
I noticed early on how all of the freeze dried food had been scooped up by people preparing for the long term. Today I was perusing sites like Midway, Cheaper Than Dirt, Buffalo Arms looking at .45 colt ammo. Seems even that is getting and harder to come by.
I had saved an old bookmark on Amazon of an exercise bike that looks like a chopper bike for only $129 ... went back yesterday and the price is now $245 :o
Rockstar
04-14-20, 11:49 AM
It's hard to understand how people that hate President Trump can even hear a word he says :hmmm:
Look I'll be honest our president has a tendency to insert his foot in his mouth IMO more often than not. But for me whats even more disconcerting is peoples obsession with him. Even harder to fathom is the delusion he could have prevented the spread of the virus, as if we're the only nation on earth with it. :roll: Its crazy.
There is as I speak a multitude of millions upon millions of people on this planet earth that are just itching to get back to traveling around the world once restrictions are eased. Like COVID-19 the next virus, God forbid, will be making its rounds long before we know about it. I dont doubt most will initially attribute it to just a really bad flu season like they did with this one before they figure out whats going on. So buck up its not the first pandemic and wont be the last. What have YOU done to prepare for it? :arrgh!:
Platapus
04-14-20, 12:29 PM
In some cases of CovID19 flipping the patient on their tummies has brought their O2 Sat levels up. Cool that they found this out. :up:
Catfish
04-14-20, 12:48 PM
Look I'll be honest our president has a tendency to insert his foot in his mouth IMO more often than not. But for me whats even more disconcerting is peoples obsession with him. Even harder to fathom is the delusion he could have prevented the spread of the virus, as if we're the only nation on earth with it. :roll: Its crazy.
Trrue, also all governments did not exactly shine when it came to this.
Politicians and "leaders" were probaby quite dumb when it comes to listening to expert reports and advice, so this is not only true for the US president.
It is a bit different though
a) to boast with having the absolute super genius knowledge (ok no one took this serious) about this flu, and
b) to accuse and blame others for own shortcomings all the time.
Even if you can get a good laugh out of that, it is embarrassing - for the one who said it.
We just heard that turkish "president" Erdoghan said "the superior genes of the turkish race are immune against the virus". I guess the numbers of the dead from Turkey can be regarded as "serious" as those of China or Russia, for that matter.
Jimbuna
04-14-20, 12:50 PM
We just heard that turkish "president" Erdoghan said "the superior genes of the turkish race are immune against the virus". I guess the numbers of then dead from Turkey can be regarded as "serious" as those of China, or Russia for that matter.
QFT :haha:
u crank
04-14-20, 12:51 PM
It is a bit differnt though
a) to boast with having the absolute super genius knowledge (ok no one took this serious) about this flu, and
b) to accuse and blame others for own shortcomings all the time.
And this is a departure from his normal behavior?
:D
Buddahaid
04-14-20, 12:57 PM
Look I'll be honest our president has a tendency to insert his foot in his mouth IMO more often than not. But for me whats even more disconcerting is peoples obsession with him. Even harder to fathom is the delusion he could have prevented the spread of the virus, as if we're the only nation on earth with it. :roll: Its crazy.
There is as I speak a multitude of millions upon millions of people on this planet earth that are just itching to get back to traveling around the world once restrictions are eased. Like COVID-19 the next virus, God forbid, will be making its rounds long before we know about it. I dont doubt most will initially attribute it to just a really bad flu season like they did with this one before they figure out whats going on. So buck up its not the first pandemic and wont be the last. What have YOU done to prepare for it? :arrgh!:
With me it's more about how he grandstanded how prepared the US was and how little it would effect us because MAGA makes it so, and takes credit for all that because of how wonderful he his while failing to take it seriously and use his god like powers to get the ball rolling until it was too late. But that's not his fault because somebody else, something else, anything else was failing to give him the right information. Bull! He failed to take it seriously because he thinks he's smarter than everyone else and doesn't listen to things he doesn't want to hear. Sure, the system wasn't prepared for this before he became King of the USA, but by damn he could have stopped listening to himself and listened to the people qualified to have an opinion on the subject.
Rockstar
04-14-20, 01:20 PM
Trrue, also all governments did not exactly shine when it came to this.
Politicians and "leaders" were probaby quite dumb when it comes to listening to expert reports and advice, so this is not only true for the US president.
It is a bit differnt though
a) to boast with having the absolute super genius knowledge (ok no one took this serious) about this flu, and
b) to accuse and blame others for own shortcomings all the time.
We just heard that turkish "president" Erdoghan said "the superior genes of the turkish race are immune against the virus". I guess the numbers of then dead from Turkey can be regarded as "serious" as those of China, or Russia for that matter.
He can boast all he wants it doesn't affect my life at all, not one bit. Because I know the only power he has is whats been delegated to him. But I have to be honest with you, I'm not exactly sure what that all encompasses. :doh: But I am confident our system of government will remind him he does not have supreme authority. Which in turn I hope will cause people to realize we dont have a supreme authority to solve all our problems by decree. The downside to that kind of contention between powers is it can sometimes affect our response to crisis. But the nice thing about living in the U.S. is I dont need to depend on them to feed me, cloth me and protect me while they squabble over head lines and political posturing.
On a side note his comments thinking he has supreme authority IMO is just a reflection of the totalitarian nature of corporate America. Hows that for you Catfish? :haha::D
Catfish
04-14-20, 01:26 PM
@Rockstar true :haha: I know America is much better than that.
[...] On a side note his comments thinking he has supreme authority IMO is just a reflection of the totalitarian nature of corporate America. Hows that for you Catfish? :haha::D
It perfectly feeds my prejudice :D
Heard some interesting on the radio earlier today(in the buss)
A Virologist said:
When we have our influenza seasons, parents do not keep their children home.
When there's a whooping cough epidemic, parents do not keep their children home.
When there's a vomiting disease among the kids, parents do not keep their children home.
(This part is from partial memory)
Something with even young people dies from influenza virus like the elders do.
But they have had some underlying disease like the elderly
Markus
Time to bring back tar and feathering?... :hmmm:
Undercover sting targets NYC pharmacist allegedly hoarding coronavirus masks --
https://qz.com/1836652/sting-targets-nyc-pharmacist-allegedly-hoarding-coronavirus-masks/
New York pharmacist under investigation for alleged PPE hoarding, price-gouging: Warrant --
https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-pharmacist-investigation-alleged-ppe-hoarding-price-gouging/story?id=70122188
A New York pharmacist is under federal investigation for allegedly price-gouging N95 masks during the coronavirus pandemic, according to a federal search warrant.
Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) agents and New York Police Department detectives recently seized 6,500 N95 masks from Richard Schirripa's Madison Avenue and Long Island residences.
Schirripa had been selling N95 respirator masks, an in-demand piece of personal protective equipment, at a markup, according to court records.
"The masks I have, I bought prior to the outbreak in the U.S. When it hit China, I went out to get large quantities and unfortunately I paid very high for them, but you know something, when you have something no one else has, it's not a high price," Schirripa allegedly told the agent, according to the search warrant application. "I used to sell a box of these for like $20, now it's like $15 a mask."
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Mr Quatro
04-14-20, 03:03 PM
Time to bring back tar and feathering?... :hmmm:
Undercover sting targets NYC pharmacist allegedly hoarding coronavirus masks --
New York pharmacist under investigation for alleged PPE hoarding, price-gouging: Warrant --
"The masks I have, I bought prior to the outbreak in the U.S. When it hit China, I went out to get large quantities and unfortunately I paid very high for them, but you know something, when you have something no one else has, it's not a high price," Schirripa allegedly told the agent, according to the search warrant application. "I used to sell a box of these for like $20, now it's like $15 a mask."
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Look what I just found for only $9.99 but it ships from China (newegg)
https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImage/AMXFS200406QGdpl.jpg
Has replaceable filters good for (30) days :up:
em2nought
04-14-20, 04:53 PM
Look what I just found for only $9.99 but it ships from China (newegg)
:up:
Well if you're absolutely sure you don't have it those are ok, otherwise you're venting it out to others. I ordered one of these and plan to make a mask out of it. :D
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NlsAAOSwY3hdi-kL/s-l500.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KlmMCqdQ2o&feature=emb_logo
Buddahaid
04-14-20, 05:33 PM
Well if you're absolutely sure you don't have it those are ok, otherwise you're venting it out to others. I ordered one of these and plan to make a mask out of it. :D
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NlsAAOSwY3hdi-kL/s-l500.jpg
:haha::Kaleun_Applaud:
Rockstar
04-14-20, 05:37 PM
Look what I just found for only $9.99 but it ships from China (newegg)
https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImage/AMXFS200406QGdpl.jpg
Has replaceable filters good for (30) days :up:
For Star Wars fans. Case and filters extra ships from Chernobyl
https://www.soviet-power.com/image/cache/data/2019/01052019-gas1-425x410.jpg
https://www.soviet-power.com/equipment-accessories/gas-masks/russian-military-pbf-officers-black-gas-mask-hq.html
Skybird
04-14-20, 05:57 PM
Trumpman says he stops funding the World Huseless Organsiation. A stepo I agree with, even with the claimed argument of the wHO being politiclaly and ideologically biased, but of course I do not believe one second that this is his real motivation. His diea is to disatract form his own failure and his own 6 weeks-long delaying in recognising and denial of that Apollo has a problem.
I agree with the net effect of this step, not with the claimed motivation. A blind hen picking away occasionally also finds a corn by random chance.
The WHO's published recommendations on Corona are making mockery of science until today. Hilarious failure from their side. But none that lets the Trumpman weasling out if his share of guilt. He just added to the scale of the net desaster. Like the Spanish government's early denial and the Chinese number forging and hiding and the British wasting of time in the early phase and several others' sins did.
Onkel Neal
04-14-20, 10:40 PM
NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931
In a new count released Tuesday, 3,778 more deaths were added to the rolls — driving up the previously recorded total of 6,589 by more than half. Now, the city records 10,367 deaths related to the virus.
Previously, the city had not counted people who died at home without getting tested for the coronavirus, or who died in nursing homes or at hospitals, but did not have a confirmed positive test result. Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted last week that the true number of deaths was far higher than the official tally, and said the city would start including presumed coronavirus cases in its data.
The latest statistics include probable coronavirus deaths through Monday. And even the new statistics may understate the death toll. Probable deaths were recorded as people who did not have a positive lab test for Covid-19, but did have Covid-19 or something similar listed as the cause of death on their death certificate.
Trumpman says he stops funding the World Huseless Organsiation. A step I agree with, even with the claimed argument of the WHO being politically and ideologically biased, but of course I do not believe one second that this is his real motivation. His idea is to distract form his own failure and his own 6 weeks-long delaying in recognizing and denial of that Apollo has a problem.
You are correct. He is doing his usual bluster and distract. He is right, the WHO is in China's pocket, but he should have done this in Jan AND at the same time shut down airtravel completely, get the %^$%@ testing straightened out, and ramped up PPE and ventilator procurement Jan 27. Trump could have been a hero but he struck out and now he wants to blame the people who make his bats.
Mr Quatro
04-14-20, 11:31 PM
I love President Trump and usually (as love does) over look some of his blunders, but I really think he is stubborn enough and hell bent on opening up the country
ahead of time (with restrictions) no matter what his advisors say.:yep:
May first is way too soon give it a couple of more weeks ... schools should be closed till September for sure just make it summer school on line.
One state I forget which one (I think in the south) wants to set everyone back a whole year when school starts again.
What do you say to the people that die after the country is opened back up for business,
"sorry you should've died with the first wave of people when everything was shut down" :hmmm:
em2nought
04-15-20, 01:08 AM
schools should be closed till September for sure just make it summer school on line.
Schools are the first thing that should be opened up to students with no underlying conditions or no one in their household with underlying conditions. Teachers with no underlying conditions or people in their household with no underlying conditions should go back to work. They've got the best immune systems, let's see what happens with the rug rats first. If any die we can just think of them as late, late, late term abortions, nobody will mind then. :03:
We should have quarantined people most susceptible, not everybody. A convict released to protect "him" from covid-19 just murdered somebody in Tampa, how is that death going to be classified? :hmmm:
I think I'd rather die eating steak, not something out of a dumpster.
Catfish
04-15-20, 01:59 AM
Trump just said that he had "all the power", but i guess this does not matter in a "constitutional republic".
After all he has to be on a level playing field with the idiots of China and Russia, or so he thinks.
Catfish
04-15-20, 03:40 AM
"China concealed the early coronavirus outbreak, former MI6 spymaster says"
John Sawers, the chief of Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, or MI6, from 2009 to 2014, said it would be better to hold China responsible rather than the WHO. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-china/china-concealed-the-early-coronavirus-outbreak-former-mi6-spymaster-says-idUSKCN21X0VY)
So Trump accuses the chronically underfunded WHO of.. what exactly? Making errors due to having not enough resources due to chroncial underfunding, funding less and less over the years? And now he completely cuts funding, in this situation?
“This is nothing more than a transparent attempt by President Trump to distract from his history downplaying the severity of the coronavirus crisis and his administration’s failure to prepare our nation,” said Chair Leslie Dach, who served as the global Ebola coordinator for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
“To be sure, the World Health Organization is not without fault but it is beyond irresponsible to cut its funding at the height of a global pandemic."
And so on.. worldwide reactions:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-who-reaction/global-reaction-to-trump-withdrawing-who-funding-idUSKCN21X0CN
Trump has screwed up royally, as befitting a wannabe 'monarch', and he fully knows it, and he knows that a growing number of voters who might have voted for him in November now know it, too. He is flailing and hsi daily press conferences are more and more displaying his meltdowns in the face of real crises, a trait not desirable in a national leader. He is going to his usual tactic of distraction, deflection, and distortion, but, increasingly, a lot of the voters he might have been able to count on are not buying it anymore. Oddly, the very daily pressers Trump has sought to be a sort of substitute for the rallies he can no longer hold have come back to bite him big time; as each day goes by, the utter lack of a cohesive, coherent, and/or congruent White House mechanism is obvious and Trump is running out of the "usual suspects" "whipping boys" on which to attempt to cast blame. His 'wolf' cries of Obama, DEMs, MSM, etc., a ringing ever more hollow and the voters are increasingly asking, directly, "Exactly what are you doing?" of Trump; and, increasingly, he has no answers. In a way, I'm almost looking forward to Trump firing Dr. Fauci: the moment he does, at the height of a crisis, fire possibly the actual human face of the governments response, one of the very few adults in the room with actual expertise, the moment Trump does fire him, that will be pretty much the end of the Trump tenure in the White House; the November election will be merely a formality to certify Trump's dumping. What the US is desperately in need of is someone to take the reins of the White House and steer the US back on a course of rational response to this crisis and to respond rationally to whatever may come down the road. An overgrown toddler with issues with the truth, with no concern for the Constitution, with delusions of monarchy, with no native intelligence, with no sense of personal responsibility, with no leadership qualities at all, is not someone the US needs in the White House going forward. Its time to get rid of the clowns and bring in the lion tamers...
This is not a political decision: it is simple common sense and the need for quality leadership in order to survive...
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Schools are the first thing that should be opened up to students with no underlying conditions or no one in their household with underlying conditions. Teachers with no underlying conditions or people in their household with no underlying conditions should go back to work. They've got the best immune systems, let's see what happens with the rug rats first. If any die we can just think of them as late, late, late term abortions, nobody will mind then. :03:
...
A fan of Jonathan Swift, I see... :haha:
A Modest Proposal --
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
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Jimbuna
04-15-20, 06:08 AM
Following on from Neals earlier appeal regarding staying on topic....
Can I make a FINAL appeal and ask that everyone stays on topic, we have a US Politics thread whose sole purpose is US Politics.
This thread is intended for the Wuhan virus only.
TIA
Jimbuna
04-15-20, 06:28 AM
EU countries urged to lift restrictions in a co-ordinated way.
The UK government promises that all care home residents and staff with Covid-19 symptoms will be tested.
Charities say the virus is "running wild" amid outbreaks at more than 2,000 care homes.
India has extended its nationwide lockdown until 3 May.
Moonlight
04-15-20, 07:45 AM
Meanwhile back in China where this Yellow Fever Virus originated, (my name for it) the Wuhan wet markets are back in business as the WHO gives them the green light despite probable links to the coronavirus outbreak. Oh my word, :o have the WHO gone mad, or are they in the pockets of China as some people have implied.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11399805/wuhan-wet-markets-coronavirus-reopen-who-green-light/
Onkel Neal
04-15-20, 08:27 AM
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I think I'd rather die eating steak, not something out of a dumpster.
Whoo boy, that's one way to put it. Luckily for me, my family is in the ranching business, so steaks here will last 20 years.
A convict released to protect "him" from covid-19 just murdered somebody in Tampa, how is that death going to be classified? :hmmm:
For real?
Platapus
04-15-20, 09:33 AM
Informative and easy to understand explanation on what the SARS COV2 virus does to your body and how people are dying from the COVID19
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51214864
Helped me understand how an otherwise healthy person can die from COVID19
Catfish
04-15-20, 09:50 AM
^ No expert here but having some immunosystem problems of my own... :
Immunosystems of people vary very much, even if they are otherwise healthy. Your body has learned and developed its system from earlier infections, so depending on your body's experience it may react properly, or not.
Then there is the possibility of your system overreacting, killing you with either too much cytokines or a fever that gets out of control.
Then there is the "pressure" from outside - if you inhale or come into contact with some hundred of those viruses your immunosystem has time to adapt and kills them with a mild fever, or not even that.
If you come into contact with millions of them, like in big events with lots of people, or in a hospital and over a longer time, your otherwise perfectly healthy immunosystem is simply not up to the job.
Which is what happened to the chinese doctor.
Jimbuna
04-15-20, 10:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGHB6358P7o
Things are moving with surprising speed in Los Angeles; a couple of days ago, it was announced that Covid-19 tests were being expanded to all persons and not being prioritized to only the very young, the elderly, or those with underlying conditions; this morning's local news shows are reporting the turnaround time for test results has shortened to same day or next day status; I'm guessing if you take your test early in the day, you get the same day turn around...
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Mr Quatro
04-15-20, 10:24 AM
Whoo boy, that's one way to put it. Luckily for me, my family is in the ranching business, so steaks here will last 20 years.
I thought you were in the trucking business or at least you were last year ... :yep:
How many cows do you have? Do you have any land for sale near you? Would love to be your neighhbor :yep:
Thinking about moving down to Reece's area too ... He has a nice place with lots of room around him :yep:
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Our problem right now is that people are dying all around us here in the USA and all they have done wrong is talk to the wrong person or been in the wrong place at the wrong. time.
Will America ever be the same again? I don't think so ... Men spit playing baseball and men spit playing football, men and women go to sports events
and stand in line to get snacks and beer and something to eat and go to the bathroom and then sit right next to each other.
Restaurants will never be the same again either ... Just think of all those sneeze partitions at the local salad bars.
Now they will have to put someone behind them to serve you like they do ice cream.
Who ever heard of a person serving up his own ice cream scoops? Soft serve maybe :yep:
How are they going to avoid Covid-19?
Nothing will ever be the same again
They will perish in their lack of knowledge. :hmmm:
Skybird
04-15-20, 10:27 AM
A Brazilian study on hydroxychloroquine as an effective drug against Covid19 has been breaked off early in its first phase already after 11 of the 81 patients died after beign drugged.
Jimbuna
04-15-20, 10:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs
Jimbuna
04-15-20, 10:38 AM
A Brazilian study on hydroxychloroquine as an effective drug against Covid19 has been breaked off early in its first phase already after 11 of the 81 patients died after beign drugged.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html
A Brazilian study on hydroxychloroquine as an effective drug against Covid19 has been breaked off early in its first phase already after 11 of the 81 patients died after beign drugged.
More fake news. The 11 covid patients were given a huge dose and it was combined with other drugs. The remaining high dose patients were unmasked and moved to the low dose group where the study continues. So it hasn't been "breaked" off as you claim.
Jimbuna
04-15-20, 11:50 AM
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Jimbuna
04-15-20, 12:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEBI16i_HSE
Aktungbby
04-15-20, 12:53 PM
/\ International diplomacy Rule 1: Denial is rivah in Egypt...:Dand they need to treat their African visitors more humanely during the crises especially when purloining the resources of poor African nations undr the insidious Road and Belt initiative . Chinese policy is to 'save face ' at all costs to the party...they are failng dismally.:x https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2662773&postcount=120 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2662773&postcount=120)
Skybird
04-15-20, 02:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs
Yeah, Vit-D! :yeah: Thats what i found from my own reading as well. The case for Vit-D indeed is very strong, the strongest amongst those supplements I have fallen back to due to our lack of understanding what indeed specifically helps against Covid19.
I would also recommend Manganese (kind of an energy-distributor for certain cell-internal processes that can help to fight against the Covid-19 virus and hindering it to enter), Selenium (honestly said I foprgot what convionced me in that to be possibvly of good use aga8isnt covid-19), and to harden the protection shields in the colon: Ginger, since the colon'S mucosa in a wider sens eis functionally associated with the immune system and tends to worsten health if virusses can nest in the cells below that jucosa, Giger helps to "burn out" germs in this mucosa.
They also make a cvall for Zinc. However, while it can not easiyl do damage since overdoses gets easily gotten rid of by the body, the arguments for Zinc against Covid-19 base on in-vitro experiments exclsuzovely where the Zinc was made to enter cell comp0jnents ion a petri dish. How to get Zinc into the cell in a living body and in sufficient ammounts, currently is not clear. Maybe eating it alone does the trick, maybe it does not. We have no real evidence there. So, if iot boost your moral: eat Zinc supplemnets, harmnful most likely it is not, and maybe it indeeds does somethign psoitve. As I said oiften on Covid-19: every little may be what makes the difference if fate points its figner at you.
Do not take the recommendations of your nation's nutrition offices as the final word, usualy these are extremely conservative and way below what is needed to make a difference by several effects. Honestly said, i do not listen to them: not to the German agencies, and not to any other as well.
I would also add Vit-C due to indirect conclusion I explain below, being aware that after Lilnus Paulings extreme recommendations of 18 gr per day a counter movement broke loose that says you cannot have ANY benefit from taking Vit-C supplements. The nutreotiuon market is a relgious battle gorudn by now, the situation on methodologicial quality of studies done is extremely poor (and I have regular feedback on that form a firend who is professional in the field of ecotrophology: "the science of nutrition", she is professional extrophologist and advisor. The reason why I take Vit.C when i feel ill and relaise I am getting sick, developiung a flu or a cold, is simply this: ona oirmal day with normnal hetah status, I could conbsumme so and so much of Vit-C without my body gettign rid of an overshgoot in supply by blessing me with a single event of diarrhea, and then all is back on normal. However, when i am getting sick or alreeady are sick, thos daily dose my body tolerates, suddenely mutliplies by severtla factors (consumming the daily toal in smaller loads over the whgolke day). Instead of being tolerant on consuming just 1-2 thousand I.E. , suddnely I can consume 12, 14, 16 thosuand I.E., and no diarrhea or anythign else I wpoudl reölate to Vit-C consummation affects me. This tells me that obviously the substance noiw is oin demand, is being used, is kind of ammo taken by the body and being mad euse of to do somerthign with it, whatever that is. I am no doctor, i cannot discuss the physiolgical and chmical background, I just have this profound observation that my tolerane for Vit-C suddenly skyrpockets ba factor of 6, 7, 8 when I am getting ill, even if it is just an ordinary cold, and when the illness is gone, it drops back t much lower levels. I do nto care for dieolgical reommendaitons of not using food supplmeents, all too often the peopep doing that do so for basic-.educaitonal ambitions to lecture you on how to eat more vegetable, fruits and less meat and savwe the palnets and feel a better being by fprimign more altruostic eating habits. Medical argments should be kept strictly separate from politics, ideology and world views. - All this is the reason why for the time being I have made it a habit to consumme a Vit-C supllements as well that certainly does not exceed my daily tolerance level for it, infact is below that quite clearly.
What is all this good for, does it make us immune against a Covid19 infection? No, it doe snto do that, like wearing masks does not do that as well. But both push the chances of catching the ifneciton in our faovur, we improve the probabilites to our benefit. We catch less virusses if wearing a mask, reducing the viorus load during a possibvle expotiion situation. And we help to bring our iummune system to a highe rlevel of readiness, closer to its optimum level it is still capable of at our age and individual living condition.
We want a strong immune system and taking on fewer virusses infesting us - that is why such food supplements and masks are the smart things to use currently.
"Currently" means: in the time without a vasccoine and even without a proven medicaiton to cure Covid19.
"Strong immune system" means: close to its individual optimum level that it can still reach under best conditions, it is achcieved by nutrition supplements, as well as daily movement or exercise, good food).
"Fewer virusses" means milder infection means: wearing masks. We know there is a correlatio between vorus load during exposition, and later symptom severity, I would even say it is a causal proof. Lovw virus load means the immune system wins time before the voirusses in the body have reached a real threatening number anbd start to make their presenc eknown to the patient. This time is used to learn by the immune system and form antibodies. If the vorus load is hiogh durign exposition already, the immune system gets overwhelmed early without knowing what antibody it should form, and the disease sees a much more severe progression.
Catfish
04-15-20, 03:18 PM
More fake news. The 11 covid patients were given a huge dose and it was combined with other drugs. The remaining high dose patients were unmasked and moved to the low dose group where the study continues. So it hasn't been "breaked" off as you claim.
I do not know whether this stuff kills people, but it is maybe completely useless against even mild cases of corona infections.
"These two studies do not, in our view, support the contention that hydroxychloroquine (or, by implication, chloroquine) is effective in the management of even mild COVID-19 disease. Two more recent negative studies, albeit of poor quality, reinforce this view, as does the most recent study, an observational study designed to emulate a randomized controlled trial using real-life data."
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-what-do-the-clinical-trials-tell-us/
Mr Quatro
04-15-20, 03:48 PM
We have an entire state in the USA that's going to test hydroxychloroquine :hmmm:
https://sports.yahoo.com/south-dakota-test-coronavirus-treatment-162758310.html
South Dakota will be the first state to test hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the novel coronavirus in a statewide clinical trial, Gov. Kristi Noem announced Monday.
"From day one, I’ve said we’re going to let the science, facts, and data drive our decision-making in South Dakota,” Noem said in a statement. "Throughout last week, I communicated with White House officials to let them know that South Dakota’s medical community was ready to step up and lead the way on research efforts."
WHAT SAVED MY LIFE IN CORONAVIRUS: NC ELECTED OFFICIAL
"I made direct requests to President Trump and Vice President Pence to supply us with enough hydroxychloroquine so that it could be made available for every hospitalized person the state may have as well as for those healthcare workers on the frontlines and those in the most vulnerable populations," Noem said.
Sanford Health, the largest rural health care provider in the U.S., Avera Health and Monument Health will be part of the trial, according to the governor's office. The state has recorded 730 coronavirus cases and six deaths.
Administering hydroxychloroquine, often in tandem with azithromycin, is something researchers hope will help patients since the FDA hasn't approved any treatments, preventative or otherwise.
The National Institutes of Health said Thursday it had begun a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine in patients with coronavirus.
Jeff-Groves
04-15-20, 04:01 PM
Que Skybird comment.....
Platapus
04-15-20, 04:01 PM
We will have to see how this works. I just hope that no SD citizen is forced to be a guinea pig for this experiment.
Jeff-Groves
04-15-20, 04:03 PM
I was thinking Lab Rats but I agree with you.
Aktungbby
04-15-20, 04:30 PM
/\ More interestingly, the 880,000 population of S. DAK IS COMPRISED OF 80,000 native Americans on 9 reservations. The responsible agency: U. S. Health Dept. ain't got the best reputation. The American nation was actually won by smallpx eradiction of native Americans...(Gov. Gen. Sir Jeffrey Amherst's idea)so nuthin's new here! I wonder if the death rate and the experiment will be applied evenly...:hmmm: :k_confused:
Rockstar
04-15-20, 04:49 PM
We will have to see how this works. I just hope that no SD citizen is forced to be a guinea pig for this experiment.
Oh they'll ask and get plenty of volunteers. They're usually the ones which cant afford the bill or have such severe infection they'll try anything to make it go away. This will allow them to prescribe different dosages at different stages of infections to see what works best. If it works.
I'm sure even now some doctors are still prescribing it they just dont have any statistical data to tell them if its worth continuing.
The American nation was actually won by smallpx eradiction of native Americans...(Gov. Gen. Sir Jeffrey Amherst's idea)
You mean the Canadian nation, seeing as you are referencing the former governor general of Quebec?
http://www.biographi.ca/bioimages/w200.5460.jpg
Skybird
04-15-20, 05:12 PM
Possible new attack vector of the virus discovered. That is very, very bad news. It seems the virus can attack th eimmune system like HIV does, destroying the T-cells, which are the protective cells. It seems it attacks by docking on a second receptor. In my layman understanding, that is almost as bad as a mutation.
This video, from 00:09:00 on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9wbb0FN6sM
Just recentely I read that they found that the virus also attacks the heart directly.
Add to this, mentioned at the end of the video, that the virus causes last8ing damages htorughout the body.
Thank God its just an ordinary flu.
And if you live in the UK, look the above video at 00 : 03 : 57.
Completely unacceptable both regarding the Why and the How.
It's a virus related comment, not Corona related though
From a Danish newspaper
"Pandemic. Infection. Virus.
Right now, they are echoing all over the world, and they are used over and over again for one disease: the coronavirus.
Thousands have died. Even more infected, communities are shut down, the economy is on its knees.
It's not long ago that diseases like SARS, swine flu and MERS have scared the minds of experts and health authorities, but it has gone far, far worse with the coronavirus, which is currently drawing a trace of death worldwide.
But there is actually a disease that causes the experts of WHO to worry even more.
The Nipah virus was first detected in Malaysia in 1999, and up to 2016 there have been cases in both Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines, Bagladesh and India.
So far there has only been local outbreaks, but Nipah still have the potential to cause epidemics
So far, just over 500 people have had the virus worldwide.
The Nipah virus originates - just as the coronavirus is supposed to do - from bats. The infection is transmitted to humans via pigs.
In Nepal, we have been able to study how the Nipah virus went from feces and urine from bats, which hung in trees if they drank from the palm syrup, to pigs that went under them, ”says US scientist Tracey Goldstein
Pigs only get mild symptoms of the disease, while humans are much more severely affected.
According to the WHO, mortality in humans should be between 40-75 percent. However, figures from the Business Insider media show a 77 percent death rate
Nipah can cause fatal meningitis because the disease attacks the central nervous system and some go into coma after a few days.
Right now, everyone is talking about coronavirus, but as late as 2018, the WHO actually emphasized the Nipah virus as a disease that should be prioritized in research.
The international coalition of preventive epidemic research, CEPI, is working to develop a vaccine against the virus.
"The Nipah virus has biological potential to become a truly global threat," the organization's website states.
"
I don't know what will hit us next time a virus decide to take a trip round the world, I am however convinced the death rate will be a lot higher.
Markus
em2nought
04-15-20, 07:34 PM
It's a virus related comment, not Corona related though
From a Danish newspaper
"Pandemic. Infection. Virus.
"The Nipah virus has biological potential to become a truly global threat," the organization's website states.
"
Markus
Hopefully China doesn't have some of that virus sloppily stashed in a weapons lab somewhere. :o
Rockstar
04-15-20, 07:38 PM
Possible new attack vector of the virus discovered. That is very, very bad news. It seems the virus can attack th eimmune system like HIV does, destroying the T-cells, which are the protective cells. It seems it attacks by docking on a second receptor. In my layman understanding, that is almost as bad as a mutation.
.
Below is probably the article the tree guy is talking about. The paper suggests that SARS-CoV-2 will attack a T-cell via a C147 spike but it only renders the T-Cell useless. It does not attack a T-cell like HIV which enters through the C4 spike on the cell but does not destroy or render the host useless. Rather HIV inserts a portion of its own DNA into the T-Cell which is then thought to continuously replicate each time the T-Cell divides into new cells. You can still die from either one.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9.pdf
Mr Quatro
04-15-20, 08:15 PM
Remember the images of Spain's hospitals with patients in the hallways?
Photos: In Las Vegas, a parking lot hosts homeless people during coronavirus outbreak
This is Las Vegas for street people after they closed down the homeless mission:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/15/photos-las-vegas-parking-lot-hosts-homeless-people-during-coronavirus.html
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106489996-15869686512020-03-31T034050Z_1314845826_RC2QUF943CU4_RTRMADP_0_HEALT H-CORONAVIRUS-USA.jpeg?v=1586968750&w=740&h=416
Mr Quatro
04-15-20, 08:23 PM
Good-by football in LA for 2020 :o
A brand new stadium too for LA Rams and the LA Chargers
Los Angeles mayor says coronavirus will likely halt sporting events with crowds until 2021
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti (D) said Wednesday that mass gathering such as sporting events and concerts will likely remain canceled for the rest of the year due to the coronavirus outbreak.
Speaking on CNN, Garcetti confirmed an earlier report that he was considering barring such gatherings for at least one year. The mayor said it's "difficult to imaging us getting together in the thousands anytime soon" and the city should prepare for an extended ban on such crowded events.
"I think we should be prepared for that this year," Garcetti said. "I think we all never wanted science to work so quickly. But until there’s a vaccine, some sort of pharmaceutical intervention or herd immunity, the science is the science, and public health officials have been very clear. We’ve got many miles to walk before we’re going to be back in those environments."
But the Mayor also echoed what the NFL is thinking "Football without the crowds"
Garcetti suggested that sporting events and concerts without crowds could be a possibility in the months ahead. But he emphasized that it would be "very difficult to see" packing thousands of people into a stadium before 2021.
Aktungbby
04-15-20, 08:36 PM
You mean the Canadian nation, seeing as you are referencing the former governor general of Quebec?
http://www.biographi.ca/bioimages/w200.5460.jpgWell I'm not up on all the details but the Amherst, Mass, New Hampshire, Virginia etc. all speak to his tenure as Commander-in-Chief North America during Pontiac's War in the Ohio Valley, as well as Governor Gen. of Quebec. My nephew attended Amherst College in Mass. His written advocacy of 'ridding humanity of 'that inexcreble race' in letters to subordinates using smallpox tainted blankets did not specify which Indians, as there was no separate USA at the time. Injuns was Injuns and dead ones were preferred..George Washington was little better, suffering defeats againt the western Indians after the Revolution,and greedy Andy Jackson's Cherokee lands expulsion & US Grant, overseeing the great Sioux/BlackHills gold war merely trailed in Sir Jeff's wake.
Well I'm not up on all the details but the Amherst, Mass, New Hampshire, Virginia etc. all speak to his tenure as Commander-in-Chief North America during the French and Indian wars, as well as Governor Gen. of Quebec. My nephew attended Amherst College in Mass. His written advocacy of 'ridding humanity of 'that inexcreble race' in letters to subordinates using smallpox tainted blankets did not specify which Indians, as there was no separate USA at the time. Injuns was Injuns and dead ones were preferred..George Washington was little better, suffering defeats againt the western Indians after the Revolution,and greedy Andy Jackson's Cherkee expulsion & US Grant, overseeing the great Sioux/ BlackHills gold war merely trailed in Sir Jeff's wake.
You paint with an awful wide brush there Ak. I once cheered for John Wayne during a cavalry movie. Does that make me just trailing in Sir Jeff's wake as well?
Aktungbby
04-15-20, 08:58 PM
You paint with an awful wide brush there Ak. I once cheered for John Wayne during a cavalry movie. Does that make me just trailing in Sir Jeff's wake as well?well just so long as you cheer equally for Errol Flynn in 'They Died With Their Boots On'; we'll call it even :O::oops::dead: ??!! They don't even make movies about St Clair's defeat under Washington's tenure-made Little Big Horn look like a nose bleed....and got conveniently swept under the carpet of history.
Onkel Neal
04-15-20, 10:51 PM
You paint with an awful wide brush there Ak. I once cheered for John Wayne during a cavalry movie. Does that make me just trailing in Sir Jeff's wake as well?
Was he fighting Indians? Or just Mexicans? :D
Jimbuna
04-16-20, 05:21 AM
European Commission head Ursula von der Leyen says 'too many' let Italy down at the start.
UK ministers are expected to back a three-week lockdown extension.
US President Donald Trump says new reopening guidelines for states will be announced today.
Global infections passed the 2 million mark on Wednesday.
WW2 veteran, 99, has walked his 100th lap after raising £12m for the NHS.
IMF warns the impact of the coronavirus on Asia will be "severe, across the board, and unprecedented"
Germany has said smaller shops can start opening next week, as it eases its restrictions.
Jimbuna
04-16-20, 05:26 AM
President Donald Trump says the US has "passed the peak" of new coronavirus cases and predicted some states would reopen this month.
Mr Trump told the daily White House briefing that new guidelines would be announced on Thursday after he had spoken to governors.
"We'll be the comeback kids, all of us," the president said. "We want to get our country back."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52304993
A third of the sailors on France's aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle - 668 out of nearly 2,000 - are infected with coronavirus, the navy says.
The ship returned to the French port of Toulon early from Atlantic exercises. Twenty sailors are in hospital, one of them in intensive care.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52308073
Jimbuna
04-16-20, 06:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HgUYU_qNl0
ikalugin
04-16-20, 08:27 AM
We just heard that turkish "president" Erdoghan said "the superior genes of the turkish race are immune against the virus". I guess the numbers of the dead from Turkey can be regarded as "serious" as those of China or Russia, for that matter.
Russia was just late to the party due to the border security and limited travel. Now despite social distancing measures we are still looking at 14 percent increase in confirmed cases today. Mortality growth would follow soon.
ikalugin
04-16-20, 08:29 AM
For Star Wars fans. Case and filters extra ships from Chernobyl
https://www.soviet-power.com/equipment-accessories/gas-masks/russian-military-pbf-officers-black-gas-mask-hq.html
PBFs are way beyond their use life and I would advise strongly against using those as PPE, particularly if the filters did not come in sealed.
Rockstar
04-16-20, 08:47 AM
Its the thought that counts. Its shows I care. :haha::03:
Mr Quatro
04-16-20, 08:50 AM
PBFs are way beyond their use life and I would advise strongly against using those as PPE, particularly if the filters did not come in sealed.
Send Neal one of these for evaluation :yep:
https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/GTY_russia3_ml_161014_16x9_992.jpg
https://abcnews.go.com/International/ways-russia-telling-people-prepare-war/story?id=42800992
As the confrontation between the United and Russia has worsened over Syria, and amid speculation Washington might launch airstrikes against Syrian government forces, Russian state-controlled media has gone into high gear, asking Russians whether they are prepared for nuclear war.
“If that should one day happen, each of you must know where the nearest bomb shelter is,” a report on the state-controlled network, NTV, noted, before taking viewers on a tour of a nuclear bunker in Moscow.
It's to early
The curve of who many is in the hospital and who have died indirectly from this Corona virus have had a down going spiral the last 7-10 days here in Denmark.
This have made the government more optimistic and have decided that beside the kids even 27000 more can go back to their jobs.
I have a fear that in the middle or in the end of May this curve will go straight up instead of down.
Then Denmark will be back on square one again.
Markus
Jimbuna
04-16-20, 11:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F39kVKSCP40
Jeff-Groves
04-16-20, 11:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APlOxgaQajw
Jimbuna
04-16-20, 11:58 AM
UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab says the country's lockdown will continue for at least three more weeks.
"Now is not the moment to give the coronavirus a second chance," he says.
5.25m more Americans file jobless claims with the economy reeling from the coronavirus outbreak.
Since mid-March the US has lost more than 20m jobs, the worst run on record
New York extends its restrictions until 15 May.
Mr Quatro
04-16-20, 12:10 PM
5.25m more Americans file jobless claims with the economy reeling from the coronavirus outbreak.
Since mid-March the US has lost more than 20m jobs, the worst run on record
New York extends its restrictions until 15 May.
So like our great great grandparents remember the depression years of the 1930's
Our generation will remember the 2020's
"You mean you had to stay at home and not go any where grandpa"?
Jimbuna
04-16-20, 12:21 PM
So like our great great grandparents remember the depression years of the 1930's
Our generation will remember the 2020's
"You mean you had to stay at home and not go any where grandpa"?
I sincerely hope not.
Mr Quatro
04-16-20, 01:27 PM
I sincerely hope not.
I want one :up:
https://scontent.ffar2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93880084_10157780620179821_3038066273834500096_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_oc=AQk1YTsKqxouxPwt6aRWND3PiSaGZeVaTeSaTqFDlqX 6s-xucuJxWFFVmGiNZRzT708&_nc_ht=scontent.ffar2-1.fna&oh=12c1c83ce79ae33ff3b67a64aa9399f1&oe=5EBD3A1C
So like our great great grandparents remember the depression years of the 1930's
Our generation will remember the 2020's
"You mean you had to stay at home and not go any where grandpa"?
The ghosts of my great grandparents, who lived not only the great depression but through the Spanish flu and both world wars (6 out of 8 anyways) would be snorting at derision at the most horrific 2020's tale we could conjure up.
Catfish
04-16-20, 03:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HgUYU_qNl0
This is all good and well. But nationalism, egoism and capitalism create a barrier between man and those ideals. Not hat they are new, not that they are wrong. Edward Abbey anyone?
But it will all go on like before on this sh!thole they call "earth". No one has ever learned from the past, humans do not live long enogh, they still "elect" (if you believe that crap) idiots to rule the world.
I want one :up:
https://scontent.ffar2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93880084_10157780620179821_3038066273834500096_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_oc=AQk1YTsKqxouxPwt6aRWND3PiSaGZeVaTeSaTqFDlqX 6s-xucuJxWFFVmGiNZRzT708&_nc_ht=scontent.ffar2-1.fna&oh=12c1c83ce79ae33ff3b67a64aa9399f1&oe=5EBD3A1C
:rock:
Put me down for one as well. :yeah:
My old Navy ball caps are getting really old. On the Barbel, we were able to order some really nice caps for the decommissioning made of felt. I haven't seen felt boat caps in something like 20 years. :wah:
What a leaked Homeland Security report tells us about coronavirus
Could COVID be more prevalent — but less deadly — than we initially thought?
Ross Clark
Have we been vastly underestimating the number of people who have been infected with COVID-19 and correspondingly overestimating its mortality? No one knows because we don’t know just how widespread this infection is in the population at large. But a leaked document from the Department of Homeland Security suggests that the government, at least, is working on the assumption that the virus is a lot harder to contain — but a lot less deadly — than is widely assumed.
The document compares the likely outcome of two scenarios: one in which the outbreak is ‘unmitigated’ — i.e. life carries on as normal — and one in which the government imposes a 30-day ‘shelter in place’ order followed by further mitigation measures. In the first scenario, it concludes that 195 million people – i.e. over half the US population — would become infected and 300,000 people would die. If that sounds frightening, then look at the mitigation scenario. In that case, believes the Department of Homeland Security, 160 million people would become infected and 200,000 would die. In other words, the kind of lockdown measures being employed in the US and around the world could help to cut the death toll by a third, but would only cut the number of infections by around a sixth.
More remarkably still is the mortality rate that these figures imply. In the unmitigated scenario, the mortality rate would be 0.15 percent and in the mitigated scenario, it would be 0.125 percent. This is far lower than has been suggested elsewhere. Imperial College London, for example, first estimated the mortality rate at 0.9 percent and has more recently revised that down to 0.66 percent. (The 3.2 percent figure that the World Health Organization foolishly put out in early March can be dismissed — it was a simple division of reported deaths by reported cases, ignoring the large number of mild cases which have gone unreported). The US figures would put COVID-19 much in the same bracket as ordinary seasonal flu — whose mortality rate is around 0.1 percent and which the Centers for Disease Control estimates kills between 290,000 and 650,000 globally every year.
It is not clear how the Department for Homeland Security calculated its figures, only that it came from their data and analytics team and that the document is marked ‘for official use only’. But it opens up a new side to the debate over the lockdown, which President Trump has been very keen to lift and Dr Anthony Fauci has been adamant must stay in place. If lockdown is only going to reduce the numbers of infections by a sixth, then why are we destroying the economy in order to impose it?
https://spectator.us/leaked-homeland-security-report-coronavirus/
Rockstar
04-16-20, 03:37 PM
This is all good and well. But nationalism, egoism and capitalism create a barrier between man and those ideals. Not hat they are new, not that they are wrong. Edward Abbey anyone?
But it will all go on like before on this sh!thole they call "earth". No one has ever learned from the past, humans do not live long enogh, they still "elect" (if you believe that crap) idiots to rule the world.
"...There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."— Carl Sagan
It can't be said enough:
"Flattening the curve" means spreading the infection rate out over time to prevent our hospitals from getting overwhelmed with too many patients all at once. It is NOT meant to keep us from getting the virus at all and it won't achieve that. Get it now, next week or 3 months from now we will all get exposed to it eventually.
Mr Quatro
04-16-20, 04:15 PM
Check my brain Lord ... The news media at least on CNN is right now saying we should stay at home (which I also believe, but I don't have anything to lose) and Uncle Sam is saying lets open the economy back up this month with restrictions.
Here's the rub "What if Uncle Sam was saying lets stay at home and continue this shut down for thirty (30) more days" Would the news media (again at least CNN) then say "No no lets open up all of the businesses we have to get back to work"
Just something I'm going through I guess :yep:
em2nought
04-16-20, 04:37 PM
It can't be said enough:
"Flattening the curve" means spreading the infection rate out over time to prevent our hospitals from getting overwhelmed with too many patients all at once. It is NOT meant to keep us from getting the virus at all and it won't achieve that. Get it now, next week or 3 months from now we will all get exposed to it eventually.
Any other plan is vanity just like the idea that humans can alter climate change when they can't even clean poop off the streets.
ikalugin
04-16-20, 04:38 PM
Send Neal one of these for evaluation :yep:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/ways-russia-telling-people-prepare-war/story?id=42800992
PMG predates even the dreaded GP-5 the asbestos king. So I won't advise it either. And in general I would suggest using a new/fresh filter atleast.
Skybird
04-16-20, 04:49 PM
Doctors from around the globe report findings that the virus from early on also attacks kidneys, heart, liver, causes neurological problems, blood clots and intestinal complications. Half of the patients being hospitalised show proteins and blood in their urine, showing that kidneys get attacked from very early on.
Most of these problems are now assumed to be long-staying after release from hospital, and often even for the rest of the life. Until recently, only lung deficits of 20-30 percent were noticed to be permanent.
The more they learn about this virus, the more fearsome it becomes.
In the light of this, totalitarian experimentators fabulating about how to expose populations and especially the claimed "stronger" young ones to controlled infection, is irresponsible. We can say one thing for certain: NOBODY should want to get this thing carelessly, the risks involved are too high, it likely will wreck your life if you are one of the severe cases, even if you survive. Mind you: 15-20% of the infected, get hospitalised, that is one in five or three in twenty. People suffering from it serious enough to need hospitalization, describe it feels like lying in bed for a week or two with a man sitting on your chest and you try to breath against his weight. Others cmpared it to a week-long water-boarding.
Wanna take a ride? Only a stupid can want that.
Be clever. Don't throw the dice, but pass them on. Protect yourself, shift chances in your favour whereever you can.
Rockstar
04-16-20, 04:51 PM
But ikalugin, unreliable and outdated protection against viral infection aside. Look at all the other kewl things the vendor says you can use do with it! :yep:
"Also can be used as a part of Halloween party costume, a great mask for cosplays of Darth Vader, troopers, infected soldiers or Loners from S.T.A.L.K.E.R." :yeah: WOOT!
Mind you: 15-20% of the infected, get hospitalised,
You have no idea what percentage of infected people become hospitalized. Quit pretending to be an expert.
ikalugin
04-16-20, 05:11 PM
But ikalugin, unreliable and outdated protection against viral infection aside. Look at all the other kewl things the vendor says you can use do with it! :yep:
"Also can be used as a part of Halloween party costume, a great mask for cosplays of Darth Vader, troopers, infected soldiers or Loners from S.T.A.L.K.E.R." :yeah: WOOT!
If you say so, the oldest piece of PPE that I ever got was probably either the S-10 mask we had in CCF or the PMK-3 I own now. So I would politely disagree.
em2nought
04-16-20, 05:11 PM
Doctors from around the globe report findings that the virus from early on also attacks kidneys, heart, liver, causes neurological problems, blood clots and intestinal complications. Half of the patients being hospitalised show proteins and blood in their urine, showing that kidneys get attacked from very early on.
Most of these problems are now assumed to be long-staying after release from hospital, and often even for the rest of the life. Until recently, only lung deficits of 20-30 percent were noticed to be permanent.
The more they learn about this virus, the more fearsome it becomes.
In the light of this, totalitarian experimentators fabulating about how to expose populations and especially the claimed "stronger" young ones to controlled infection, is irresponsible. We can say one thing for certain: NOBODY should want to get this thing carelessly, the risks involved are too high, it likely will wreck your life if you are one of the severe cases, even if you survive. Mind you: 15-20% of the infected, get hospitalised, that is one in five or three in twenty. People suffering from it serious enough to need hospitalization, describe it feels like lying in bed for a week or two with a man sitting on your chest and you try to breath against his weight. Others cmpared it to a week-long water-boarding.
Wanna take a ride? Only a stupid can want that.
Be clever. Don't throw the dice, but pass them on. Protect yourself, shift chances in your favour whereever you can.
I wonder about the people that get it, and don't even notice it. I wonder if they might end up suffering from any of these little bonus gifts later too? :hmmm:
Any other plan is vanity just like the idea that humans can alter climate change when they can't even clean poop off the streets.
Well said.
Rockstar
04-16-20, 05:17 PM
CCN reported: Once Trumps sacks both houses. Their source then said he's going to ask Putin to administer the Führereid to his personally hand picked congress. :arrgh!:
Skybird
04-16-20, 05:30 PM
I wonder about the people that get it, and don't even notice it. I wonder if they might end up suffering from any of these little bonus gifts later too? :hmmm:
There are quite some mysteries to be revealed. For example whether maybe existing corona-virus-casued flus may lend kind of an immunity against Covid19, since the Germans found that members sharing one household do not get as often infected by a Coivid-19 patient in that household, as was expected (the German initially planned not to test other members in a household with one Covid-19 patient individually, but to automatically count all members as infected cases in the statistic. It seems they now move to testing individually nevertheless).
And just recently it was found that the virus can dock via a second type of receptors.
Something tells me that a vaccine may last longer than we hoped.
The Germans now also expect that ionfeciton hotspots will kind of dissapear and the generla ifneciton now will grow deep into all grouops and layers of the population, distrubtuing the virus more evenly amingst everybody and everywhere, though at hopefully a lower level of cases active at any time. The stark contrasts we currently can see in sopace and milieus, are expected to dissolve.
Welcome in the new world. Its a new world for sure, and not just a long episode.
I wonder about the people that get it, and don't even notice it. I wonder if they might end up suffering from any of these little bonus gifts later too? :hmmm:
This made me remember stories from people who felt nothing in the beginning of their disease, like they had got an easy flu.
They felt everything was alright after....then it returned with full force and they had to be taken to the hospital-Intensive care.
Trying to find some of the article in which I have read about this
(Problem I can't remember the headlines)
Markus
Skybird
04-16-20, 05:43 PM
You have no idea what percentage of infected people become hospitalized. Quit pretending to be an expert.
Oh, tin soldiers march again. Indeed I have no idea. Thats why I just give the numbers given by the pros, and they give these numbers on grounds of cases offiocialy becomign nonown to the authorities.
You are right, we do not know the number of unidentified cases, and asymptomatic cases (assumed to be 50-75% last time I read about that). For the same reason we have no realistic clue on the real mortality rate, we only have the case fatality rate, which again is calculated by the number of cases known to the authorities.
But you probably only meant to stab at me again while knowing all this, and so I just pick up you little tin soldier now, turn you around by 180° and tell you to march back at the direction you came from, which is probably the direction where Trump sits and set you up earlier, because honestly said I have become bored by your endless attempts to engage me in something personal. Bye bye, little tin soldier, you are not being missed - neither is your appreciation for the outlook of me maybe dying if I would get infected, due to my underlying health conditions - I red that shabby comment by you with great interest. It certainly was not meant kind, but it certainly told a lot about you. ;)
Time to check if the ignore button still works.
Skybird
04-16-20, 05:46 PM
Heck, opening the ignore list I found one lonely resident in there, a certain "Tribesman"... :D
Rockstar
04-16-20, 05:50 PM
If you say so, the oldest piece of PPE that I ever got was probably either the S-10 mask we had in CCF or the PMK-3 I own now. So I would politely disagree.
I'm beginning to think you might be from Berlin. :03::D
ikalugin
04-16-20, 05:52 PM
I'm beginning to think you might be from Berlin. :03::D
How so? I did study in the UK, that is where I was a part of the Combined Cadet Force program and got to try out the S-10 amongst the other wonders of the UK's military.
PMK-3 is just related to one of my current projects and is there for R&D, prototyping and the like. As the actual PPE I use the civil defence GP-21U mask which was made in 2019, was sold from a reputable supplier in a new and sealed condition and as such is safe and actually useful.
Rockstar
04-16-20, 05:59 PM
Early peek at data on Gilead coronavirus drug suggests patients are responding to treatment
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/
The University of Chicago Medicine recruited 125 people with Covid-19 into Gilead’s two Phase 3 clinical trials. Of those people, 113 had severe disease. All the patients have been treated with daily infusions of remdesivir. “The best news is that most of our patients have already been discharged, which is great. We’ve only had two patients perish,” said Kathleen Mullane, the University of Chicago infectious disease specialist overseeing the remdesivir studies for the hospital.
Gilead had said to expect results for its trial involving severe cases in April. Mullane said during her presentation that data for the first 400 patients in the study would be “locked” by Gilead Thursday, meaning that results could come any day.
...Last month, President Trump touted the potential for remdesivir — as he has for many still-unproven treatments — and said it “seems to have a very good result.”
Like anyone else in their right might think it does seem promising, hope the results are solid <fingers crossed>
Four letters GILD
Rockstar
04-16-20, 06:10 PM
How so? I did study in the UK, that is where I was a part of the Combined Cadet Force program and got to try out the S-10 amongst the other wonders of the UK's military.
PMK-3 is just related to one of my current projects and is there for R&D, prototyping and the like. As the actual PPE I use the civil defence GP-21U mask which was made in 2019, was sold from a reputable supplier in a new and sealed condition and as such is safe and actually useful.
How so? Maybe Catfish could expla... wait he's a German too, so he doesn't have a sense of humor either.
j/k back to more serious wuhan virus issues. :)
Catfish
04-17-20, 02:29 AM
How so? Maybe Catfish could expla... wait he's a German too, so he doesn't have a sense of humor either. [...]
The flexibility of the English language allows you to imagine that "the English" would be an inherently witty nation, when in fact you just have a vocabulary and a grammar that allows for endlessly amusing confusions of meanings and misunderstandings.
"There is no need for you to be so proud of yourself, it is not as if you personally invented the English language. You merely inherited it by the geographical accident of your birth."
The US has even much less humour. This is nothing to laugh about.
What a laughable notion...
...surely, you jest...
<O>
Catfish
04-17-20, 03:38 AM
What a laughable notion... ...surely, you jest...
<O>
Me? Never! Nein. Germans are much too honest to be polite, and we do not have time for the latter. You know, all this work..
Jimbuna
04-17-20, 06:42 AM
Wuhan, where the virus emerged, revises its death toll up by 1,290 to 3,869 - an increase of 50%
Chinese foreign ministry says statistics have been reviewed and denies any cover-up.
Meanwhile, Chinese economy shrinks for first time in decades due to virus impact.
French President Emmanuel Macron joins those questioning China's handling of the outbreak.
UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock is facing questions from MPs
Shortages of protective equipment for health workers continue to be reported.
The US, with more than 32,000 deaths, announces plans to start opening up its economy again.
There have now been more than 2.15 million confirmed cases worldwide and 145,000 deaths.
Skybird
04-17-20, 07:12 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/roger-stone-bill-gates-may-have-created-coronavirus-to-microchip-people/
And such people are allowed to advice and work for governments...?
:o
Well, I should not be surprised by anything anmyore, I know I know...
Catfish
04-17-20, 07:19 AM
I smell a quick pardon for Roger Stone, after he found out the cause for the virus :yeah:
Rockstar
04-17-20, 08:24 AM
The flexibility of the English language allows you to imagine that "the English" would be an inherently witty nation, when in fact you just have a vocabulary and a grammar that allows for endlessly amusing confusions of meanings and misunderstandings.
"There is no need for you to be so proud of yourself, it is not as if you personally invented the English language. You merely inherited it by the geographical accident of your birth."
The US has even much less humour. This is nothing to laugh about.
I got two things too say!
1. I rest my case :O:
2. I'm sorry (truly) :oops:
well OK three things
3. I'm goin' to hell aren't I? :D
Time to check if the ignore button still works.
:haha: I guess you don't like your quackery being pointed out herr fake doctor.
Jimbuna
04-17-20, 08:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCA65ghLMXY
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/roger-stone-bill-gates-may-have-created-coronavirus-to-microchip-people/
And such people are allowed to advice and work for governments...?
:o
Well, I should not be surprised by anything anmyore, I know I know...
Don't get too worked up; though The NY Post has ties to the founding of the US, in more recent times it has been only a slight degree above the level of scandal sheets like The National Enquirer; The Post is part of the Rupert Murdoch stable of sensationalist pop-culture media and is highly prone to publishing stories mainly for shock value more than as straight news reporting; s with almost all modern 'journalism', if you really want to know how real or true a story is, it is best to gather data from several sources, even ones you might not agree with, in order to separate the fact from the hyperbole and spin; The Post is one of the publications I sometimes use as a bellwether of changing political moods: if The Post publishes an article strongly critical of the current White House, then there is a good likelihood it has strayed across the tolerances of the GOP and/or the Right Wing; on matters such as the article you linked, it appears too be just another case of The Post looking for cheap attention and trying to stir up the mud...
<O>
The US has even much less humour. This is nothing to laugh about.
Are you kidding? Americans react to any calamity with jokes and humor.
https://www.boredpanda.com/quarantine-coronavirus-jokes/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
https://joke.guru/corona-jokes/
https://www.boredpanda.com/coronavirus-quarantine-covid-19-jokes/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
https://www.fatherly.com/play/best-coronavirus-jokes/
Jimbuna
04-17-20, 09:08 AM
Germany says its outbreak is under control, with each carrier of the virus infecting less than one other person on average.
The UK death toll reaches 14,576 as 847 new deaths are reported in hospitals.
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe says the World Health Organization (WHO) has issues that need to be inspected when the pandemic is over.
Former UK Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt has said it is "not the moment for pointing fingers" in relation to a prediction that the UK's death toll could end up being the worst in Europe.
The government has announced it is arranging an extra 17 charter flights to bring a further 4,000 British nationals back home from India.
Jimbuna
04-17-20, 09:58 AM
Captain Tom Moore: How the war veteran captured our hearts.
There was an unmistakable sense of conviction in Tom Moore's voice as he addressed the camera after completing his walk.
"To all those people who are finding it difficult at the moment," he said, addressing a British public who have seen life turned upside down by coronavirus. "The sun will shine on you again, and the clouds will go away."
Moments before, the 99-year-old war veteran had completed the 100th lap of a sponsored walk around his Bedfordshire garden. With service medals pinned to his breast pocket, and clutching his walking frame, he crossed the finish line at a slow but determined pace.
In just a few days, Mr Moore, nicknamed Captain Tom by his growing legion of fans, had risen from nowhere to the status of near national treasure.
When he had started fundraising for the walk, it had been with the modest aim of raising £1,000. Inspired by the dedicated work of medics, Captain Tom had wanted to thank the "magnificent" NHS staff who had helped him with cancer treatment and a broken hip. By the time he had reached the finish line, he had become a social media phenomenon and raised an astonishing £12m. By the teatime the same day, donations had risen to £15m. And the total keeps growing and growing and has now passed £17m.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52316856
What an inspiration he is to us all.
~SALUTE~ :salute:
Jimbuna
04-17-20, 10:32 AM
There is even controversy about last nights London Bridge appreciation clapping and social distancing.
Viral footage appears to show people disregarding social distancing guidelines while taking part in last night’s ‘clap for carers’. In a video watched more than 3 million times on Twitter, members of the public and emergency services stand side by side showing their appreciation for Britain’s key workers – while ignoring advice to remain two metres apart.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/17/people-ignore-two-metre-rule-clap-carers-right-outside-hospital-12569129/
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 11:39 AM
There is even controversy about last nights London Bridge appreciation clapping and social distancing.
Doctor Damir Rafi probably didn't have a date so decided he'd be vindictive.
:doh:
Jimbuna
04-17-20, 11:59 AM
Doctor Damir Rafi probably didn't have a date so decided he'd be vindictive.
:doh:
I had to look that one up :doh:
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 12:03 PM
I had to look that one up :doh:
What? Vindictive?
Maybe I should have used Spiteful instead.
filled with, or showing, spite; having a desire to vex, annoy, or injure; malignant; malicious.
Dang! Aktungbby has me doing it now!
:har:
Jimbuna
04-17-20, 12:08 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/bJ2T8MNs/36-5-8.gif (https://postimages.org/)
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 12:14 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/bJ2T8MNs/36-5-8.gif (https://postimages.org/)
LOL!
https://y.yarn.co/cf6a5ce0-5ef3-4e13-a718-91824a48cde2.mp4?1587143621814
Aktungbby
04-17-20, 12:19 PM
:subsim:What? Vindictive?
Maybe I should have used Spiteful instead.
filled with, or showing, spite; having a desire to vex, annoy, or injure; malignant; malicious.
Dang! Aktungbby has me doing it now!
:har:Now I'm enjoying 'the show'! & Green with envy! You are now :subsim:'s linguistic semanticist...errr semantic linguist..??:hmmm::yep::arrgh!:
Catfish
04-17-20, 12:30 PM
Are you kidding? [...]
Never. :D
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 12:34 PM
:subsim:Now I'm enjoying 'the show'! & Green with envy! You are now :subsim:'s linguistic semanticist...errr semantic linguist..??:hmmm::yep::arrgh!:
I prefer cunning linguist.
;) :har:
Aktungbby
04-17-20, 01:09 PM
Are you kidding? Americans react to any calamity with jokes and humor.
indeed https://i.postimg.cc/cCDC5LG3/toilet-paper4.jpg (https://postimages.org/)[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Reece]The first smiley is shock that Jim posted the word sh it, the others is because it was funny, very funny!!
Never. :D
Napa humor: Schooling takes a village....Home schooling takes a vineyard! https://i0.wp.com/www.fowllanguagecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/home-schooling-1.jpg?fit=800%2C999&ssl=1
Mr Quatro
04-17-20, 01:41 PM
The only thing the last nine (9) post have to do with social distancing is that I am out of here :hmmm::yep::oops::o
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 01:45 PM
What? you didn't get the cunning linguist thing?
:o
I could go all 'Skybird' and explain it.
But I think most people will get the joke.
And if one were so inclined to waste hours?
They could search back and see WHO wasted posting about stuff that should have been in US Politics thread.
But go ahead and be self righteous and declare your disgusted.
I predict Skybird to call you out next.
He is my favorite Nut Case after myself!
Now here's the funny part.
Which one of you will fall for the bait first?
Rockstar
04-17-20, 01:57 PM
Very good read how Far UVC Light in public areas may dramatically reduce if not prevent the spread of viral infection.
Using the Power of Light: Preventing the Airborne Spread of Coronavirus and Influenza Virus
http://www.columbia.edu/~djb3/Far%20UVC.html
We are decidedly losing the war against superbugs, with a projected annual death toll by 2050 of 10 million people every year, and I would like to stop that.
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 02:03 PM
Yeah. I'm all for NOT getting exposed!
"Acute (short-term) effects include redness or ulceration of the skin. At high levels of exposure, these burns can be serious. ... The long-term risk for large cumulative exposure includes premature aging of the skin and skin cancer"
I'll deal with the Virus.
Don't you think this would have been implemented long ago to fight common things if it was safe?
I do believe you are grasping for straws in the face of polluted Sundeas.
Rockstar
04-17-20, 02:13 PM
Yeah. I'm all for NOT getting exposed!
"Acute (short-term) effects include redness or ulceration of the skin. At high levels of exposure, these burns can be serious. ... The long-term risk for large cumulative exposure includes premature aging of the skin and skin cancer"
I'll deal with the Virus.
Don't you think this would have been implemented long ago to fight common things if it was safe?
You know what they say "necessity is the mother of invention". Its not talking about the tanning salon kinda UV light or the kind from the Sun that makes it through our atmosphere.
http://www.columbia.edu/~djb3/papers/Germicidal%20Efficacy%20and%20Mammalian%20Skin%20S afety%20of%20222-nm%20UV%20Light.pdf
Here we extended our previous studies to 222-nm light and tested the hypothesis that there exists a narrow wavelength window in the far-UVC region, from around 200–222 nm, which is significantly harmful to bacteria, but without damaging cells in tissues
Trust me, its safe. :haha:
In other news A bombshell report by scientists from the University of Cambridge has cast doubt on previous beliefs about when and where Covid-19 first broke out.
While coronavirus was previously believed to have originated in a wet market in Wuhan December 1, new research suggests it may have actually came from further south – and began spreading among humans as early as September 2019.
These stay at home orders seem designed to prolong the virus. Don't colds and the flu go away once people are no longer cloistered together indoors by winter weather? They should be encouraging people to go outside as much as possible.
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 02:23 PM
@ Rockstar,
hypothesis being the Key word!
Shall you send your children into a place with hypothetically equipped devises?
Knowing they may die from other causes due to said device?
Grasping at the proverbial straw does nothing but spread false hopes.
I figured you better then that.
May haps I was wrong.
I watch you and August and see some good comments and reports.
At lest for me anyway.
Yes. I know I'll be hated by others that walk the other side of the fence.
Only for the fact I stated I like you Guys.
Well Loty Dah!
Don't give a bag full of false hopes who likes me or not!
I'll be the one who survives and picks stuff off the dead if it goes real bad.
Rockstar
04-17-20, 02:37 PM
I can tell you didn't read the paper. I think in this case science has progressed a bit more than just grasping straws or throwing darts.
The use of ultraviolet (UV) light for inactivating bacteria and viruses is well established (1, 2). However, UV radiations emitted by typical germicidal lamps with a peak emission at 254 nm represent a human health hazard, causing skin cancer (3, 4) and cataracts (5, 6).We have developed an approach to kill bacteria without harming human cells in skin tissue models (7) and mouse skin in vivo (8) that employs single-wavelength UVC light generated by inexpensive filtered excilamps (9). The approach is based on the limited penetration distance of UVC light in the wavelength range of 200–222 nm in biological samples. Specifically, while far-UVC light has enough range to traverse microbes that are much smaller in size than human cells [less than 1 μm in diameter (10, 11), compared to the diameter of typical human cells ranging from about 10–25 μm (10)], it is strongly absorbed by the proteins in the cytoplasm of human cells (12, 13) and is drastically attenuated before reaching the human cell nucleus. It follows that far-UVC light is not able to penetrate the stratum corneum of skin and reach the underlying critical basal cells or melanocytes (4).Another organ especially sensitive to UV damage is the lens; however, the lens is positioned distal to the cornea that is sufficiently thick [~500 μm (14))]. Therefore, penetration of far-UVC ~200-nm light through the cornea to the lens is predicted to be essentially zero (15).
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 02:40 PM
is predicted
Again. NOT proven!
I know your much smarter then this.
Most of what I do is in Malls. I have been around this stuff for years.
I KNOW for a fact that the technology is not adopted because it's not proven and could lead to lawsuits!
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 02:58 PM
Let us just say it's like this.
Years ago Asbestos was the greatest thing to help Fire Fighters.
It was proclaimed to be THE thing!
Yeah. I recall being in school when local Fire Fighters came in wearing those magical suits.
I also recall the neighbor across the street who happened to be a fire fighter die from asbestosis.
Not only did he pass away. 2 of his 4 daughters are in the ground.
No need to tell you what killed them.
I still dream of Jane. His youngest adopted Daughter.
I was so In Love with her way back.
Jane married someone else who I found out hit her once.
I traveled across country, dragged him into the street, and put a Gun to his head.
I told him should I ever hear he touched her again in a violent way?
I'd be the last pair of eyes he ever looked into.
OK. Last part is off topic. But I think you can see how I feel.
Rockstar
04-17-20, 03:48 PM
is predicted
Again. NOT proven!
I know your much smarter then this.
Most of what I do is in Malls. I have been around this stuff for years.
I KNOW for a fact that the technology is not adopted because it's not proven and could lead to lawsuits!
Just a guess but I think I know why the technology hasn't been adopted yet, the paper is only two years old. In my book that's pretty new. Id bet some industrious youngster is looking how to make his millions with this research as we speak. Its my understanding that according to the paper they have proven the effects or in this case the lack of effect Far UV light has on mice/mammalian cells. Based on that proven research with mice. They are confident enough to predict the same results on human tissue. But hey I could be wrong, and quite frankly so could they. Wouldn't be the first time :haha:
Skybird
04-17-20, 04:53 PM
Facts:
UV lights in portable devices as well as in roomlights are being used for desinfection of rooms and items. Trust in the efficiency of that is such that that they do it especially in hospitals and laboratories.
These UV lights do harm to eyes, skin, etc. You do not want to get exposed with your body to it. Thats why gadgets using UV diodes are sealed and closed, and rooms being flooded with uV light must be left empoty and free of human presence.
I know this from first hand account (hospital staff).
On UV light being used with humans being present and exposed to it, I have no info. I would not volunteer for any test trials.
Skybird
04-17-20, 05:05 PM
The WHO warns agaiunst poutting trust in antibody tests. It claims that evidence so far does not support the idea that many people having had Covid-19 indeed develope immunity. They further question the usefulness of such tests due to what reiterating what I said in this thread a week ago already in reply to somebody: even if you may have gianed immunity, this doe snot mean you could not still infest others by carrying over the germ, I mentioned external smear infections, the WHO even goes a step further and explcitly mention virusses harboured inside your body.
As was reprted days ago event sin Korea indicate that people may catch second infections after having been ill a first time.
Unclear to me as a layman is whether the new found second receptor attack vector means that you need at least two kinds of immunity indeed. Sayiong that if you survived the desease vectoring in on your cells via one receptor docking, leaves you still vulnerable to the other receptor docking attack.
Today'S WHO press conference implies that even if you form antibodies and survive a disease, antibpodies do not autopmatically mean that you are immune. I did not knew this, and I wonder how immunity is beign defined in other diseases then or after getting shot a vaccine!?
Or has the WHO just messed it upo once again? Would not be their first fail in this Corona story that they completely are off track with everything. I take everything coming form the WHO with an extra oversize grain of salt now...
And what has become of the Chinese recommendation that the only reliable wayx to detect Covid-19 is doing a CT scan of the lungs?
And where the heck is House when you need him...??
They, the expert, say it will return this autumn.
I'm sure the government will handle it differently when it does.
The question is how.
Shut down the society will not happen.
Markus
Skybird
04-17-20, 05:56 PM
Did I just show the middle finger to the WHO two postings up? Here is another reason why that is the only option for greetrigntnb ueir superb advices:
http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/disease-prevention/alcohol-use/news/news/2020/04/alcohol-does-not-protect-against-covid-19-access-should-be-restricted-during-lockdown
If that is the lgoiic why to ban alcohol in,private hjpuseholds, then i can show a whole long list of items and subatcnes and foods that should be banned form private households for the most obscure of reasons.
Or do they repeat their maskgate here again? Wanting to funnel acohol to producers of hand desinfectants? If so, this is the wrong way how to do it. Transparency would work better. But instead telling people to their face that you take them as idiots does not help your cause. It just erodes your (alrerady suffering) respectability further.
Skybird
04-17-20, 06:24 PM
An interesting side-effect of the Corona lockdown: although car traffic has dropped very significantly in Germany, data from sensor stations controlling the air quality in urban areas and especialyl along traffic lanes of major importance, show that the nitrogen oxides do not follow that drop, but reduce by small amounts only - or not at all. An undersecretary of state gets quoted with saying that the propagated ban on cars with Diesel engines is off the table now. The data shows that reducing individual car traffic does not lead to correlating drops in emissions and especially nitrogene oxide.
In Germany, there is a big campaign running against Diesel cars if cities cannot push nitrogene oxides below certain levels - the ultima ratio that increasingly gets ordered by courts is banning Diesel-operated cars from running. [A German pillar of national industry and production, btw, show me annother people that so viciously tries to destroy the fundaments of its own national industries.]
With the shown data now, there is no more argument for legal bans on Diesel cars in cities.
Rockstar
04-17-20, 06:31 PM
Facts:
UV lights in portable devices as well as in roomlights are being used for desinfection of rooms and items. Trust in the efficiency of that is such that that they do it especially in hospitals and laboratories.
These UV lights do harm to eyes, skin, etc. You do not want to get exposed with your body to it. Thats why gadgets using UV diodes are sealed and closed, and rooms being flooded with uV light must be left empoty and free of human presence.
I know this from first hand account (hospital staff).
On UV light being used with humans being present and exposed to it, I have no info. I would not volunteer for any test trials.
You are quite correct in saying ultra-violet light even man made UV light systems can be extremely harmful to your health. But the research above has focused on the potential benefits of the very particular UV wavelength of 222 nanometers. In the hope of preventing the spread of microbial and viral infection where large gathers occur in confined spaces.
According to one source with a projected annual death toll by 2050 of 10 million people every year. I look at it as people working towards a better future and though I hope for the best I prepare for the worst. :yep:
If this works, I see a system where if someone sneezes in the grocery store under this wave length the cooties are killed mid air and all on surfaces. And nobody gets melanoma from it wouldn't that be cool? Everyone walks under the biggest ultra-violet light source in our entire solar system every freaking day and nobody gives it a second thought. oh but beware the 222 nanometer ultra-violet wavelength! :)
Skybird
04-17-20, 06:40 PM
You are quite correct in saying ultra-violet light even man made UV light systems can be extremely harmful to your health. But the research above has focused on the potential benefits of the very particular UV wavelength of 222 nanometers. In the hope of preventing the spread of microbial and viral infection where large gathers occur in confined spaces.
According to one source with a projected annual death toll by 2050 of 10 million people every year. I look at it as people working towards a better future and though I hope for the best I prepare for the worst. :yep:
If this works, I see a system where if someone sneezes in the grocery store under this wave length the cooties are killed mid air and all on surfaces. And nobody gets melanoma from it wouldn't that be cool? Everyone walks under the biggest ultra-violet light source in our entire solar system everyday freaking day and nobody gives it a second thought. oh but beware the 222 nanometer ultra-violet wavelength! :)
I do not argue pro or against that, I feel not qualified to form an opinion on it because this is now the first time I have heard of it.
I more reacted to Jeff's somewhat queer attempt to get me baited, hooked up or into the boat, I am not sure I understoodh is intention correctly, and I did react by making clear the two undisputed facts about UV desinfection as being used today. That was all from my side! :03:
I have battery-run UV-lamp based water purifer in my emergency kit, btw. Handy devices, and assuming it does what they advertise it for, its a clever design.
Skybird
04-17-20, 06:46 PM
On the WHO, I am not the only one having a go at them today, Chris Martenson by coincidence also once again shows them the middle finger in his latest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCiDCBLpjZg
They messed this whole Covid19 thing up from the very beginning. And even now they still show to be long sleepers.
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 07:06 PM
So I'm a bad person for buying new equipment to bury the dead?
:hmmm:
Jeff-Groves
04-17-20, 07:19 PM
Specifically purchased so even my Wife can dispose of bodies.
https://st.mascus.com/imagetilewm/product/bobcat_newyork/bobcat-toolcat-5600,4721867_1.jpg
Roughly 60 percent of the over 600 sailors who tested positive so far have not shown symptoms of COVID-19, the potentially lethal respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus, the Navy says. The service did not speculate about how many might later develop symptoms or remain asymptomatic.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-military-sympt-idUSKCN21Y2GB?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_campaign=ff928b9a9f-briefing-dy-20200417&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c9dfd39373-ff928b9a9f-45213002&fbclid=IwAR01dBUvhEMz6iRT7UQ-Mr8t80ILDhxqHc3NFvqRTk20A7_v3fwmAja1xMg
Platapus
04-18-20, 07:09 AM
Specifically purchased so even my Wife can dispose of bodies.
https://st.mascus.com/imagetilewm/product/bobcat_newyork/bobcat-toolcat-5600,4721867_1.jpg
I did not realize that Bobcat made that configuration. Looks handy. I wonder how much it costs? 10K?
moose1am
04-18-20, 08:12 AM
I wonder about the people that get it, and don't even notice it. I wonder if they might end up suffering from any of these little bonus gifts later too? :hmmm:
I guess we may find out in 20 or so years from now when they are all showing defective kidneys early in life. When they reach 40 years 20 years from now we may find out for sure. But I did read that people who were on ventilators and survived ended up with brain fog. How long that lasts we won't know for a while.
Jimbuna
04-18-20, 08:29 AM
Britain's Queen Elizabeth has asked that there be no gun salutes to mark her birthday on Tuesday.
It is thought to be the first such request from the Palace in the British monarch's 68-year reign.
As world coronavirus deaths pass 150,000, more than 4.5 billion people are under containment to slow the pandemic.
Doctors in Japan say some hospitals are struggling to cope with the influx of patients, even turning ambulances away.
In the UK, there are concerns updated guidance on protective equipment could put hospital staff and patients at risk.
The UK death toll reached 14,576 on Friday as 847 new deaths were reported in hospitals.
President Trump said US lockdown protesters being treated "rough", after calling for the "liberation" of some states.
The WHO advised countries to plot a cautious path out of lockdown rather than relying on antibody tests.
Jimbuna
04-18-20, 08:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgy1zsR1cxs
Onkel Neal
04-18-20, 09:05 AM
These stay at home orders seem designed to prolong the virus. Don't colds and the flu go away once people are no longer cloistered together indoors by winter weather? They should be encouraging people to go outside as much as possible.
Yes, I believe you are correct, social distancing will prolong the viral outbreak. However, since this is a new virus, without social distancing the number of casualties would grow so rapidly it would overwhelm the health care capacity, causing many more casualties than if the number of new infections is throttled and managed. You have heard of this referred to as flattening the curve and thankfully it has helped a lot. The rate of new infections has gone from a 30% increase daily to 5%. Ideally we could balance the rate and limp along at reduced work capacity until we have sufficient testing capability to decrease the social distancing.
Jimbuna
04-18-20, 09:14 AM
Yes, I believe you are correct, social distancing will prolong the viral outbreak. However, since this is a new virus, without social distancing the number of casualties would grow so rapidly it would overwhelm the health care capacity, causing many more casualties than if the number of new infections is throttled and managed. You have heard of this referred to as flattening the curve and thankfully it has helped a lot. The rate of new infections has gone from a 30% increase daily to 4%. Ideally we could balance the rate and limp along at reduced work capacity until we have sufficient testing capability to decrease the social distancing.
Another factor to mention is 'buy enough time to find a vaccine/cure'
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 09:20 AM
Perhaps Traveller will come back and tell us he was right :yep:
Doctors in Japan say some hospitals are struggling to cope with the influx of patients, even turning ambulances away.
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 09:24 AM
Specifically purchased so even my Wife can dispose of bodies.
https://st.mascus.com/imagetilewm/product/bobcat_newyork/bobcat-toolcat-5600,4721867_1.jpg
I like that Jeff even has rhyme and reason and purpose :yep:
Don't forget the number one cover up the evidence with
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTUYedmVytnVxv2pnfklRYJ38HPuuT PSDTLnqZgXx6rJ5eLELIB&usqp=CAU
Jimbuna
04-18-20, 09:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w7F_hzqIhM
Onkel Neal
04-18-20, 10:11 AM
Another factor to mention is 'buy enough time to find a vaccine/cure'
Amen.
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 10:17 AM
A ship is like a little city, but shouldn't the results percentage wise be the same?
Roughly 60 percent of the over 600 sailors who tested positive so far have not shown symptoms of COVID-19, the potentially lethal respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus, the Navy says. The service did not speculate about how many might later develop symptoms or remain asymptomatic.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-military-sympt-idUSKCN21Y2GB?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_campaign=ff928b9a9f-briefing-dy-20200417&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c9dfd39373-ff928b9a9f-45213002&fbclid=IwAR01dBUvhEMz6iRT7UQ-Mr8t80ILDhxqHc3NFvqRTk20A7_v3fwmAja1xMg
Here's a study I find interesting from Santa Clara:
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-19-coronavirus-antibodies-infection-higher-1498740
ANTIBODY STUDY SHOWS COVID-19 RATE OF INFECTION MAY BE UP TO 85 TIMES HIGHER THAN REPORTED
A study in a county in California suggests that the prevalence of people infected with the coronavirus is much higher than previously thought, potentially complicating decisions on whether to end widespread lockdowns.
Blood from 3,300 volunteers living in Santa Clara was extracted from a finger prick and analyzed at the start of April. The Stanford University study, which has not been peer reviewed yet and was posted on medRxiv, found that between 2.5 percent of 4.5 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 10:28 AM
Well there goes another myth I thought the warmer weather would lessen the chances of getting Covid-19.
Not so says: Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-warm-weather-fauci-virus-fade-not-assume
Just because warmer weather is on the way does not mean the coronavirus will fade, according to the nation's top infectious disease expert.
"But having said that, one should not assume that we are going to be rescued by a change in the weather," Fauci said on ABC's "Good Morning America."
"You must assume that the virus will continue to do its thing. If we get some help from the weather, so be it, fine. But I don’t think we need to assume that.”
Jimbuna
04-18-20, 12:21 PM
A 99-year-old war veteran has been left "speechless" after raising more than £23m for the NHS.
Capt Tom Moore originally aimed to raise just £1,000 for NHS Charities Together by completing 100 laps of his garden before his 100th birthday.
The Duke of Cambridge hailed him as a "one-man fundraising machine".
His daughter Hannah Ingram-Moore said: "There are no words left to say. We cannot believe people's generosity and he's just floored by it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-q5CE4By3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RiaVBWq40A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUP-ty-Tj5E&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0K9fusJ0cWWBZdhmY1M0591UYgdVDMwa_F6NhEx NkuIFc2lpERB0oeLoo
They certainly don't make people like him anymore.
~SALUTE~
Skybird
04-18-20, 01:01 PM
University of Oxford steps forward bvy claiming they could have a vaccine in Septembre. Reason why I do not rule this out form beginning on is that I read they were the ones doing already the vaccion eon MERS,. and that they did not need to reenvent the wheel, but just need to to adapt the old vacicne technology to the new Corona virus, which is quite fmailiar to the old MERS, at least thats whyt they claimed on TV. This aexperience gives them an advanatge over many of the other contenders.
By Septembre they mean that the mass production could already start that month.
I do not bet my life on it and do not take their word for granted, but they seem to be one of the most promising research projects for a vaccine currently.
The earlier the better. IF IT WORKS, of course.
Another factor to mention is 'buy enough time to find a vaccine/cure'
What if a vaccine/cure is years away instead of the months we've been promised? We going to keep our populations on house arrest until then?
Jimbuna
04-18-20, 01:04 PM
University of Oxford steps forward bvy claiming they could have a vaccine in Septembre. Reason why I do not rule this out form beginning on is that I read they were the ones doing already the vaccion eon MERS,. and that they did not need to reenvent the wheel, but just need to to adapt the old vacicne technology to the new Corona virus, which is quite fmailiar to the old MERS, at least thats whyt they claimed on TV. This aexperience gives them an advanatge over many of the other contenders.
By Septembre they mean that the mass production could already start that month.
I do not bet my life on it and do not take their word for granted, but they seem to be one of the most promising research projects for a vaccine currently.
The earlier the better. IF IT WORKS, of course.
Here in the UK news it is being reported they are very confident they will be successful but I've no information on what that confidence might be based on.
Jimbuna
04-18-20, 01:08 PM
What if a vaccine/cure is years away instead of the months we've been promised? We going to keep our populations on house arrest until then?
I think that would be very difficult and would cite the problems three of the US states are currently experiencing.
I've no idea if it is just a coincidence they are all Democratic states but the output from a certain source really doesn't appear to be helping matters.
em2nought
04-18-20, 01:25 PM
but the output from a certain source really doesn't appear to be helping matters.
I wonder how many fewer deaths there would be if "somebody" had said he forbid the use of hydroxychloroquine instead of voicing his opinion that it might be helpful. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
04-18-20, 01:39 PM
I'm trying to make a point as vaguely as possible (probably unsuccessfully) so as not to take the thread into politics.
Wuhan for coronavirus topic thread and the political connection in the US politics thread.
I think that would be very difficult and would cite the problems three of the US states are currently experiencing.
I've no idea if it is just a coincidence they are all Democratic states but the output from a certain source really doesn't appear to be helping matters.
Don't blame Trump for that. Those governors have problems because of their authoritarian policies. Arresting church goers in their cars? Lone surfers out on the ocean? There is a thin line between appropriately responding to a crisis and pushing a free people too far. We are jealous of our liberties and rightly so imo.
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 01:59 PM
What if a vaccine/cure is years away instead of the months we've been promised? We going to keep our populations on house arrest until then?
I'm not going to be the first one to fall for a cure ... I would rather stay at home than find out I did something wrong later.
I've read somewhere that all vaccines are not the same for men and women that the vaccines of today seem to work better on men than women. Odd, uh?
Not that I am a woman, but still :hmmm:
em2nought
04-18-20, 02:02 PM
There is a thin line between appropriately responding to a crisis and pushing a free people too far. We are jealous of our liberties and rightly so imo.
Especially when they feel they need to release criminals from jails for the scumbag's protection from covid-19, and said criminals are already killing people.
Skybird
04-18-20, 02:07 PM
Here in the UK news it is being reported they are very confident they will be successful but I've no information on what that confidence might be based on.
I got the impression from reports on German TV that the confidence is based on their experience with their earlier vaccine for MERS, where they also formed the spearhead. They must not do the development from scratch, but work on adapting the old vaccine to the new but somewhat familiar virus. That knowledge lead gives them an advantage over their contenders, they can use old techniques of theirs, while others must even build these techniques first, or other ones.
The confidence is founded on an experience lead, my impression is.
Skybird
04-18-20, 02:12 PM
I've read somewhere that all vaccines are not the same for men and women that the vaccines of today seem to work better on men than women. Odd, uh?
Not really. Men very often benefit better form vaccines because they have the weaker immune systems, compared to women's immune systems, which are stronger (because they are the ones carrying out babies).
Quite some difference in severity of health ciodntions in bioth genders is due to the different physiologicla setup of men and women, due to their different biological roles.
So much for progressive "gender studies. :har:
Catfish
04-18-20, 02:25 PM
Here in the UK news it is being reported they are very confident they will be successful but I've no information on what that confidence might be based on.
But successful when? My take is that it will be fall at least, before a real mass production can even start, lots of tests necessary. There are quite a few drugs that battle the virus successfully, but also kill the host by high fever or a cytokine storm. Testing takes time :hmmm:
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 03:09 PM
Breaking News
Everyone in New York now required to wear a face mask :o
Monday all Walmart employees will have to wear face mask too :yep:
Skybird
04-18-20, 03:13 PM
I say again: German TV news, I think it was either RTL or ZDF but I am not certain anymore, today claimed in an interview with the lead professor of the Oxford team, a woman, that they might be ready for mass production in September. Obviously all tests must have been done before that date. They plan to produce a million doses per day. From septembre on.
I do not say it is so, I cannot judge that, I just repeat what the TV coverage of this news said, and what the team leader said in an interview.
It sounds too good for me to be true, very optimistic, still, this is not just any science team. Their role in the vaccine development for MERS, so it was claimed in that news report, puts them into the absolute spearhead of international endavours. The professor leading the Oxford nteam even said that getting a vaccine for a Corona virus were not even any especially difficult task, since the virus is in principle well-understood, she claimed. Says she - not me, mind you.
A German company that some weeks ago made headlines, also claimed to have a vaccine in fall - if everything goes well and smooth and perfect and there were no setbacks of any sorts, Hoppe admitted himself, so he acknowledged the chance for delays, the estimaiton for fall is valid in an perfectly ideal scenario only, which imho makes it unlikely, I do not believe in perfect, ideal scenarios. This Germna lab follows another approach and uses a different technique that was never run before, however. At least two American labs try the same approach like the Germans.
Its about a vaccine, yes. But for the contenders, its also an economic race for enormous profits. He who is first, wins a fortune.
Skybird
04-18-20, 03:36 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/opinions/trump-is-playing-with-fire-ghitis/index.html
There needs to be a liberation day event. And it must focus on liberating the WH. what Putin did with the famous little green men on the Crimean poeninsula, Trumpman now seems to try with calling flocks of armed mobsters onto the streets.
This is not just a mentally deranged carricature of a president anymore, this is simply criminal and a frontal assault on the constitutional order of the Polarized States. A call for violent uprise and civil war. An attack on the state and nation itself.
America's probably worst enemy now sits in the WH itself. These four years will leave greater damages to the US than the Vietnam war or Bush'S lie-and-cheat campaign or Obama's totla and complete failure in lognterm global strategic interests of the US. Trump is turning into an existential threat to the US now.
Empty-headed stupids with assault rifles. What a fantastic, deeply worrying sight to see.
https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/origs11897243/91023295-w630-h420-o-q75-p5/32a124005d8ddd14.jpg
Interesting that none of you have mentioned it(haven't seen or remember having seen it here in this thread)
First time I heard about this medicin was some weeks ago and yesterday some news program mentioned something with a leaked document from an American university
The medicin they are testing with success-according to this university mentioned in the following link is:
"Remdesivir"
This is also very interesting using a medicin which was developed to cure Ebola.
Remdesivir was one of the first medicines identified as having the potential to impact SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19, in lab tests. The entire world has been waiting for results from Gilead’s clinical trials, and positive results would likely lead to fast approvals by the Food and Drug Administration and other regulatory agencies. If safe and effective, it could become the first approved treatment against the disease.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/
Markus
Catfish
04-18-20, 04:18 PM
[...] Empty-headed stupids with assault rifles. What a fantastic, deeply worrying sight to see.
The stores here are running out of popcorn :hmmm:
Catfish
04-18-20, 04:25 PM
The medicin they are testing with success-according to this university mentioned in the following link is: "Remdesivir" [...]
Perhaps. I'm not holding my breath. The german 'survivor' would probably have survived without it, but let's wait and see. IMHO the clue to finish those corona viruses once and for all are artificial 'humanised' antibodies like the ...umab (humanised antibodies, monoclonal (or murine, derived from mice, and adapted) antibody) 'drugs'.
edit Remdesivir may or will help now, but patients are prone to develop the same disease around 10-12 months later, although a new dose of R. will probably successfully fight it. So this drug is not an immunopreparate (right word?), but a short-term medicine. Not that this is bad.
Buddahaid
04-18-20, 04:32 PM
What if a vaccine/cure is years away instead of the months we've been promised? We going to keep our populations on house arrest until then?
No, only you....:arrgh!:
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 04:46 PM
Interesting that none of you have mentioned it(haven't seen or remember having seen it here in this thread)
First time I heard about this medicin was some weeks ago and yesterday some news program mentioned something with a leaked document from an American university
The medicin they are testing with success-according to this university mentioned in the following link is:
"Remdesivir"
This is also very interesting using a medicin which was developed to cure Ebola.
Markus
Reported to work so well that people on ventiators have gotten off the next day after taking this drug :up:
Catfish
04-18-20, 05:24 PM
Reported to work so well that people on ventiators have gotten off the next day after taking this drug :up:
Yes.
Did you even read what i wrote.
No, only you....:arrgh!:
Not me Pal, Ima Essential Worker! :)
Thank you Catfish and Mr Quatro for your input on my comment on this Remdesivir
Why I find it very interesting is how a vaccine against vira is developed.
A virus is made up of proteins, so is Ebola and this Corona.
Corona has as every other virus legs with a fod in the end(sorry, can't remember what they are called these things that sticks out from a virus)
To effective battle such a virus you need to develop a shoe that fits 100 % to this fod otherwise the vaccine would not have an impact on the virus.
So what is it in this Remdesivir a vaccine developed to fight the Ebola virus that it even have success fighting this Corona virus.
Or
What exactly is this Corona virus, since this Remdesivir have a success against it
This comment is based on a book I once borrowed from the local library many, many ears ago and I borrowed it, 'cause I wanted to know more about virus, which was somewhere in the 90's and during some Ebola-thing going on in the world
And of course also based on this article
Markus
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 06:03 PM
Yes.
Did you even read what i wrote.
https://www.scienceabc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/talking-meme1.jpg
I'm sorry Catfish ... I don't read everything ... Did I miss something?
What did I miss :hmmm:
Mr Quatro
04-18-20, 06:04 PM
Perhaps. I'm not holding my breath. The german 'survivor' would probably have survived without it, but let's wait and see. IMHO the clue to finish those corona viruses once and for all are artificial 'humanised' antibodies like the ...umab (humanised antibodies, monoclonal (or murine, derived from mice, and adapted) antibody) 'drugs'.
edit Remdesivir may or will help now, but patients are prone to develop the same disease around 10-12 months later, although a new dose of R. will probably successfully fight it. So this drug is not an immunopreparate (right word?), but a short-term medicine. Not that this is bad.
You mean this one? Okay I'll take two of these pills :yep:
Rockstar
04-18-20, 06:25 PM
Breaking News
Everyone in New York now required to wear a face mask :o
Monday all Walmart employees will have to wear face mask too :yep:
I walked in the grocery store today and notice everyone, except me, was wearing a mask or covering of some type. I asked the lady behind me in line "did I miss something?" Apparently our governor of The Great State of Maryland after three months since the first confirmed case in the U.S. finally made it mandatory to wear a mask in retail stores and public transportation. What a farce
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/opinions/trump-is-playing-with-fire-ghitis/index.html
There needs to be a liberation day event. And it must focus on liberating the WH. what Putin did with the famous little green men on the Crimean poeninsula, Trumpman now seems to try with calling flocks of armed mobsters onto the streets.
This is not just a mentally deranged carricature of a president anymore, this is simply criminal and a frontal assault on the constitutional order of the Polarized States. A call for violent uprise and civil war. An attack on the state and nation itself.
America's probably worst enemy now sits in the WH itself. These four years will leave greater damages to the US than the Vietnam war or Bush'S lie-and-cheat campaign or Obama's totla and complete failure in lognterm global strategic interests of the US. Trump is turning into an existential threat to the US now.
Empty-headed stupids with assault rifles. What a fantastic, deeply worrying sight to see.
https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/origs11897243/91023295-w630-h420-o-q75-p5/32a124005d8ddd14.jpg
These guys don't bother me, it's the people that work in the building behind them that are the concern.
Platapus
04-18-20, 08:14 PM
I walked in the grocery store today and notice everyone, except me, was wearing a mask or covering of some type. I asked the lady behind me in line "did I miss something?" Apparently our governor of The Great State of Maryland after three months since the first confirmed case in the U.S. finally made it mandatory to wear a mask in retail stores and public transportation. What a farce
Sounds like a reasonable precaution. A mask like these won't prevent the spread of the virus but it can help reduce it.
Platapus
04-18-20, 08:16 PM
Oh boy they sure look tough. Macho Cosplay.
Buddahaid
04-18-20, 08:47 PM
Oh boy they sure look tough. Macho Cosplay.
:Kaleun_Applaud:
I think that would be very difficult and would cite the problems three of the US states are currently experiencing.
I've no idea if it is just a coincidence they are all Democratic states but the output from a certain source really doesn't appear to be helping matters.
I wonder how many fewer deaths there would be if "somebody" had said he forbid the use of hydroxychloroquine instead of voicing his opinion that it might be helpful. :hmmm:
I'm trying to make a point as vaguely as possible (probably unsuccessfully) so as not to take the thread into politics.
Wuhan for coronavirus topic thread and the political connection in the US politics thread.
In prior public health emergencies and/or crises, calmer, saner, wiser, and self-disinterested minds in leadership roles allowed those tasked with addressing the problem(s) do their thing with very minimal interference and/or 'armchair quarterbacking'; this held true in the instances of SARS, H1N1, Legionnaires' Disease, Ebola, etc., and the results then were not unproductive or woefully lacking; in fact, the experts acquitted themselves as best as could be expected given their circumstances, if not better.. Those wiser leaders probably also knew that, politically, a 'hands off' approach gave them sufficient cover if something, heaven forbid, should go horribly wrong; this tack gave them a degree of a sort of 'plausible deniability'. So you had the experts in the fields taking the reins on matters they had the experience, knowledge, education, and resources with which to deal with the crises, and you had the leadership stepping back and ceding the spotlight to those with the real answers; a win-win for the leaders: it goes south, blame the failures on the experts and., if it succeeds, take credit for having appointed those experts and for allowing them to do their work; a politician couldn't ask for a better position...
There is a major problem when a leader inserts them self into areas where they have no expertise or even the barest of knowledge on the matter at play; just look at the disasters that occurred in history when leaders with no military knowledge or experience asserted themselves over the wiser advise of their military leaders resulting in horrible losses and/or defeats; or when leaders with no inkling of finance made demands and decisions when they had no concept of the end results, resulting in economic catastrophes; the old Proverb,"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding", holds very true in oh so many facets of life and especially when it comes to leadership...
It becomes very difficult to successfully separate the political from the medical/social when "certain source"s and "somebody"s have decided to glom themselves to the work being done to deal with Covid-19 and make whatever is being done a reflection of their own politics and agendas; discussion does become difficult when the medical aspects are infected with the politics in much the same way noxious viruses infect healthy cells; and, in much the same way of dealing medically with viruses, perhaps we should be looking for a cure for the strain of infection afflicting and hobbling the effective and knowledgeable combat against Covid-19...
Maybe there will be a remedy within the next seven months?...
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