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Traveller

02-10-20, 07:45 AM

Traveller

02-10-20, 08:06 AM

Anecdotal story: My wife and I went to a very popular local Chinese restaurant here in Japan this last Sunday evening that is always crowded. Well, the parking lot was half empty and there was no waiting. Many empty tables. First time I've ever seen it like that. People here are scared.

Onkel Neal

02-10-20, 09:06 AM

everyone gets influenza, a high fever and feels like hell from time to time. But the vast, vast majority of the population gets over it and life goes on. Whats most concerning, for me anyway, is the case fatality rate. Rate now is well below that of SARS lets hope it stays there.

And lets hope the chinese, pagans and christians will learn to cultivate and eat something besides pigs, bats and snakes.

Just under a fifth of known cases of the new coronavirus in the worst-affected region in China may result in death, from Imperial College London estimates.

Researchers from the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis have found that the case fatality ratio (CFR) for people in Hubei province is 18% – this however may reflect the most severe cases that the overwhelmed health system is treating, with other less severe cases not being recorded.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/news--wuhan-coronavirus/

Rockstar

02-10-20, 11:32 AM

18%!? :o oh dear lawd baby jesus that not good. happy thoughts, happy thoughts, happy thoughts...

Aktungbby

02-10-20, 11:32 AM

Yes,but in this case ...who FLU the koop?!! With the ongoing African Swine Fever epidemic: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/business/china-pigs-african-swine-fever.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/business/china-pigs-african-swine-fever.html)'Twixt the corona virus; the chicken flu; and the swine fever, the worlds largest population is under a three-prong attack; suffering the ravages of Mother Nature's method of overpopulation control: Pigs, Poultry or People..... oh my! hmmm:

And lets hope the chinese, pagans and christians will learn to cultivate and eat something besides pigs, bats and snakes. Ya forgot about the chickens:D and Tyson corporation is profiting from all this: good ol 'Merican greed The company should benefit from China lifting a five-year ban on imported U.S. chicken in November, as well as demand for imported pork amid swine fever, according to Bloomberg Intelligence. The prepared foods segment should continue to see strong sales volume trends.
:Kaleun_Salute: as for bats.... https://apnews.com/d59f43a911996a729cdf8636f5aa4ce4
No wildlife can be transported or sold in any markets or online, according to text of the announcement in state media. Suspected violators will be sent to security services, and their will be properties closed and sealed. Legal breeding centers will be quarantined.
The ban will continue until “the epidemic situation is lifted nationwide” in order to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus and block potential sources of infection and transmission.

Mr Quatro

02-10-20, 12:01 PM

This lady has helped my fears be abated ... She's from Oregon on the cruise ship that has 400 American's with 24 of them having been diagnosed with the virus flu going around. Her husband is still on the ship and she has been removed to a hospital in Japan.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/23-americans-aboard-cruise-ship-japan-contract-coronavirus/story?id=68879743

"I haven't seen the outside of my room since I got here," Frasure told ABC News in a telephone interview from her hospital room on Monday.

"It doesn't even feel like a cold," she told ABC News. "To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have known that there was anything wrong with me if they hadn't tested me."

"I don't think that there's any reason to spread panic," she added. "I think that people just need to be aware and, you know, practice good hygiene."

Princess Cruises, which operates the ship, announced Sunday that it is offering a full refund to all 2,666 guests on board. More than 400 passengers are from the United States, and at least 23 of them have been infected with the disease, according to a Princess Cruises spokesperson.

Jimbuna

02-10-20, 01:14 PM

A GP practice in Brighton has been temporarily closed after a staff member tested positive for the coronavirus.

Patients at the city's County Oak medical centre have been advised to contact the NHS 111 phone service if they have concerns.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51447761

This will have a knock-on effect to the hundreds if not thousands of patients who rely on this service.

em2nought

02-10-20, 02:01 PM

I think I'll wear a mask the next time I go to the local Asian Market. :hmmm:

Jeff-Groves

02-10-20, 02:38 PM

I'm waiting to see if the nut jobs out there say closed down WalMarts are the new internment camps for infected!
:har:

Mr Quatro

02-10-20, 03:05 PM

I think I'll wear a mask the next time I go to the local Asian Market. :hmmm:

Walmart wants $99 for fifty (50) face mask :o

includes free 2 day shipping :D

Jeff-Groves

02-10-20, 03:09 PM

Walmart wants $99 for fifty (50) face mask :o

includes free 2 day shipping :D
Are those from China?
:hmmm:

Catfish

02-10-20, 04:27 PM

Are those from China?
:hmmm:
The used ones are cheaper.

Mr Quatro

02-10-20, 04:43 PM

The used ones are cheaper.

From China? :o

Traveller

02-10-20, 07:07 PM

If you can't find an N95 mask and goggles, this might work. :arrgh!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZe8RyQrnoY

STEED

02-10-20, 07:49 PM

Is it true it's now airborne?

Buddahaid

02-10-20, 07:53 PM

That's what I read. It was determined it is also airborne, not that it is now turning airborne.

STEED

02-10-20, 07:56 PM

That's what I read. It was determined it is also airborne, not that it is now turning airborne.
Weird not see this mentioned on the mainstream news even when they talk to viral experts here. :hmmm:

Buddahaid

02-10-20, 08:00 PM

I read it on BBC news earlier today.

Mr Quatro

02-10-20, 08:34 PM

Is it true it's now airborne?

That's what I read. It was determined it is also airborne, not that it is now turning airborne.

Weird not see this mentioned on the mainstream news even when they talk to viral experts here. :hmmm:

I thought it was strange too ... saw it in my news feed, but not on TV yet

Like the news media is trying to keep us being worried ... :o

What does airborne mean?

A sneeze is person to person, a cough is person to person, a kiss is person to person, hand shake is person to person ... The AC in your car is airborne?

I already had suspicious feelings about cell phone's causing brain tumors.

Would a phone call from a person with the Wuhan virus be bad?

Don't forget :arrgh!:

The devil is called the Prince of the power of the air :yep:

I like self check out at walmart now

https://www.bing.com/th/id/OIP.uD0On9tcDZLtmz-sdYjyFQEsCo?w=300&h=168&c=7&o=5&dpr=2&pid=1.7

Onkel Neal

02-10-20, 08:43 PM

https://themerkle.com/is-coronavirus-airborne/

Yesterday, Zeng Qun deputy head of the Shanghai Civil Affairs Bureau confirmed that Coronavirus can in fact be transmitted via Aerosols.

There still seems to be a lot of confusion as to whether or not Coronavirus is in fact an airborne pathogen.

HOW DO VIRUSES SPREAD?
To get a better idea on how viruses spread, lets take a look at Influenza. According to US National Library of Medicine, viruses are believed to be spread through two pathways: large respiratory droplets, and small particle droplet nuclei (aerosols).

Large droplets usually settle between 1-2 meters while aerosols can travel as far as 40 inches. Unfortunately, there are only experimental studies that showed that Influenza can be transmitted across rooms. However, there is little evidence of actual aerosol transmission specifically for Influenza.

We can only assume that aerosol transmission can occur, but at the end of the day we dont really know the exact numbers.

IS CORONAVIRUS AIRBORNE?
The answer depends on how you define airborne. There is no evidence that suggests that Coronavirus can be transmitted via anything other than aerosols or larger respiratory droplets. Assuming thats true, that means Coronavirus cant travel more than 40 inches.

Thats still quite the distance, but chances are you dont have to worry about Coronavirus traveling miles and miles to infect you.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQcfesDXsAExt6J?format=png&name=small

em2nought

02-10-20, 09:12 PM

There were crazy dudes running around Australia setting fires, I imagine there will be crazy dudes running around trying to spread Kung Flu too.

Traveller

02-10-20, 11:25 PM

Here's the 'official' Chinese daily coronavirus death toll:

February 10: 108 deaths reported
February 9: 97 deaths reported
February 8: 89 deaths reported
February 7: 86 deaths reported
February 6: 73 deaths reported
February 5: 73 deaths reported
February 4: 65 deaths reported
February 3: 64 deaths reported
February 2: 57 deaths reported
February 1: 45 deaths reported
January 31: 46 deaths reported
January 30: 43 deaths reported
January 29: 38 deaths reported
January 28: 26 deaths reported
January 27: 26 deaths reported
January 26: 24 deaths reported
January 25: 15 deaths reported
January 24: 16 deaths reported
January 23: 8 deaths reported

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-11-20-intl-hnk/index.html

I wouldn't be surprised if the actual numbers were 10x or even 100x higher.

Traveller

02-11-20, 04:56 AM

Two men who originally tested negative for coronavirus in Japan now have the infection.
Two Japanese citizens who had initially tested negative for coronavirus have now been diagnosed with the disease. Japan now has confirmed 163 cases.

The two new patients, both men, were evacuated from China to Japan. One is in his 50s and the other in his 40s, the ministry said, and both have no connection to the Diamond Princess, the cruise ship docked off the coast of Yokohama on which 135 have been infected by the virus.

The men were retested after developing fevers.
https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-11-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Ruh roh. :o

Traveller

02-11-20, 05:42 AM

Hong Kong confirms 7 additional cases of coronavirus, bringing total to 49.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-11-20-intl-hnk/index.html

STEED

02-11-20, 07:54 AM

Seems this issue of airborne and aerosol has not been proven just possible new transmission until proven 100%. Until this form of transmission is proven I choose to monitor the news, I am not going to ignore it or dismiss it out of hand that would be daft.

Traveller

02-11-20, 08:01 AM

American who previously tested negative and was discharged now infected.
One of the people evacuated to the United States from Wuhan last week is infected with the coronavirus, U.C. San Diego Health said in a statement. The Centers for Disease Control shared the diagnosis on Monday morning, the hospital said; the patient had previously been discharged after testing negative.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/world/asia/coronavirus-china.amp.html

Another ruh roh. :o

Traveller

02-11-20, 08:16 AM

Coronavirus emergency poses "a very grave threat" to the world, WHO boss says.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-11-20-intl-hnk/index.html

A bold statement. This is the first official acknowledgement that they are very worried. Maybe they know something we don't? :shifty:

Traveller

02-11-20, 08:55 AM

Woman in Hong Kong living 10 floors below infected person also becomes infected.
Hong Kong officials have put into quarantine dozens of residents of one apartment building after two people who live on different floors of the building were found to be infected with the coronavirus, the authorities said on Tuesday.

The two cases appeared to suggest that the virus had spread through the building, perhaps through a pipe, raising new fears about how the virus spreads.

Officials from the city Center for Health Protection said the quarantine decision was made after an unsealed pipe was found in the apartment of a newly confirmed patient, a 62-year-old woman. She lives 10 floors below a resident who was earlier found to be infected.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/world/asia/coronavirus-china.amp.html

They suspect it may have traveled through air vents. 10 floors. Yikes. :o

Mr Quatro

02-11-20, 11:33 AM

China might be lying ... true!

But the other countries with the same virus that have reported in are not lying too.

Still only two deaths outside of China one in Hong Kong and one in the Philippines.
The one in Hong Kong was the same man that visited China and then took a cruise on a ship in Japan
and returned to Hong Kong infecting many more on that cruise ship now in quarantine.

Yes China might very well be lying, but they aren't lying about how serious this is with over fifty million
people on lock down in the Wuhan area plus work stoppages and schools closed.

President Trump said that he thinks the crisis will peak out around Spring (March 20th) I hope so :yep:

Syphax

02-11-20, 11:36 AM

They should eat some more bats and snakes and other disgusting ****.

Jimbuna

02-11-20, 01:38 PM

They should eat some more bats and snakes and other disgusting ****.

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Jimbuna

02-11-20, 02:05 PM

ealth officials in China are conflicted as to whether the deadly new coronavirus can spread through the air, with one expert saying 2019-nCoV could "in theory" be airborne.

Zeng Qun, the deputy head of the Shanghai Civil Affairs Bureau, told a press briefing on Saturday that the virus can be spread via direct transmission, which involves contact with the infected person. However, the China Daily newspaper reported Zeng also suggested the new member of the large coronavirus family—which includes infections like the common cold as well as SARS—is capable of aerosol transmission.

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-could-airborne-chinese-official-claims-1486493

Buddahaid

02-11-20, 02:06 PM

They should eat some more bats and snakes and other disgusting ****.
Very informed. The video showing bat soup is not from China or showing Chinese people and people in the United States eat snakes so park the bigotry at the door.

Jimbuna

02-11-20, 02:10 PM

Cruise Ship Rejected by Five Ports Runs Out of Options
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/cruise-ship-rejected-by-five-ports-runs-out-of-options/ar-BBZSRfd?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

I bet my boy is very relieved he isn't on this ship belonging to his company.

Rockstar

02-11-20, 02:29 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o804wu5h_ms

Jeff-Groves

02-11-20, 02:50 PM

I probably should have ordered a contamination suit before the body armour!
:doh:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=10835

Traveller

02-11-20, 05:59 PM

Hong Kong’s leading epidemiologist: Coronavirus could infect 60% of global population if unchecked.
The coronavirus epidemic could spread to about two-thirds of the world’s population if it cannot be controlled, according to Hong Kong’s leading public health epidemiologist.

His warning came after the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) said recent cases of coronavirus patients who had never visited China could be the “tip of the iceberg” (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/10/coronavirus-who-warns-spread-by-people-who-had-not-visited-china-could-be-tip-of-the-iceberg).

Prof Gabriel Leung, the chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, said the overriding question was to figure out the size and shape of the iceberg. Most experts thought that each person infected would go on to transmit the virus to about 2.5 other people. That gave an “attack rate” of 60-80%.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

Traveller

02-11-20, 06:05 PM

WHO: Minimum 18 months for a new coronvirus vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who-vaccine/vaccine-for-new-coronavirus-covid-19-could-be-ready-in-18-months-who-idUSKBN2051ZC

Rockstar

02-11-20, 06:27 PM

Yes 60%, IF left unchecked. But I'd wager we have a fairly good grasp on the situation, so far. That 18% CFR presented earlier is in my opinion due to Chinese government leaving things left unchecked at the outset. 2% CFR is probably closer to what can be achieved when proper quarantine and treatment is administered by competent authority. Though 2% is still too much considering the entire ordeal would have been prevented if Chinese officials could better regulate what the hell people can eat over there.

disclaimer: these are just my happy thoughts hehe

Jeff-Groves

02-11-20, 06:46 PM

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=10836

Traveller

02-11-20, 06:47 PM

Very informed. The video showing bat soup is not from China or showing Chinese people and people in the United States eat snakes so park the bigotry at the door.

While his video is incorrect, unsanitary Chinese seafood and live animal markets are responsible for this virus and the 2003 SARS outbreak. In many ways, China is still third-world. And yes, they still eat dogs and cats there. Stating facts has nothing to do with bigotry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39577557/the-countries-where-people-still-eat-cats-and-dogs-for-dinner

STEED

02-11-20, 07:03 PM

Saw for the first time here three people wearing surgical facemasks. I would say all three were Asian. Interesting most people ignore them but a few avoided them walking around a table in the bookshop I was in.

Traveller

02-11-20, 10:04 PM

An additional 40 people have been confirmed infected aboard Diamond Princess.
Another 39 people have tested positive for the coronavirus on the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan as well as one quarantine officer, bringing the total to 175, the health ministry said on Wednesday.https://japantoday.com/category/national/Cruise-ship-virus-cases-jump-to-175-including-quarantine-officer

Maybe they should rename the ship Virus Princess. :shifty:

Buddahaid

02-11-20, 10:44 PM

Cruise of a Lifetime would not be a good marketing shtick right now. Damn, this gets more worrying by the day.

Traveller

02-12-20, 12:23 AM

Damn, this gets more worrying by the day.

The most troubling thing is that all 2,700 passengers disembarked in Okinawa before the ship headed to Yokohama. Many were already infected at that time, but didn't know it yet.

Mr Quatro

02-12-20, 04:23 AM

The most troubling thing is that all 2,700 passengers disembarked in Okinawa before the ship headed to Yokohama. Many were already infected at that time, but didn't know it yet.

So why didn't the people in Okinawa get sick yet?

Spells someone on the ship, a crewman perhaps, has the virus or somehow the ship's air supply system has been compromised and is still spreading the disease. :yep:

Traveller

02-12-20, 05:38 AM

So why didn't the people in Okinawa get sick yet?

Spells someone on the ship, a crewman perhaps, has the virus or somehow the ship's air supply system has been compromised and is still spreading the disease. :yep:

Good question. Chances are at least several others were infected. Perhaps they are not showing symptoms yet, or maybe they are but haven't gone to the hospital for fear of being quarantined. We just don't know yet.

Furthermore, scientists believe the incubation period can last up to 14 days, plus they believe the virus can survive outside the body for up to 9 days (especially on metal surfaces). So, from the time one person starts to show symptoms until the next person becomes (indirectly) infected by touching a surface contaminated by the first infected person and later starts to show symptoms, we're looking at up to 40 days maximum between confirmed infections.

Think of it this way:

On February 1st, a man becomes infected with coronavirus. He shows no symptoms until February 14 (14 days later), when he comes down with a fever. Thinking he has influenza, he goes to the drugstore for some cold medicine. While shopping, he sneezes into his hand, and then touches the shopping cart handle. On February 23 (9 days later), I go to the same drugstore for some toilet paper, and by chance, get the same shopping cart. While pushing the cart, I get the virus on my hands. When I get home, I forget to wash my hands before eating. I am now infected. I show no symptoms until March 8 (14 days later), when I too come down with a fever. By then, I have possibly infected some of my family members, co-workers, friends, or complete strangers. I may even indirectly infect them through contaminated surface contact 9 days later after I first start showing symptoms.

The above example with maximum incubation periods and surface survival rates is of course not probable, but rather possible to show what a worse-case scenario could look like .

Skybird

02-12-20, 06:56 AM

If true, things are set to become very interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

Mr Quatro

02-12-20, 09:58 AM

If true, things are set to become very interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

Welcome back Sky ... That newspaper just wants to sell papers no way will this thing get to 60% of the population :o

STEED

02-12-20, 11:16 AM

Oh SKY what are you doing reading that liberal rag! Woo you got better taste than that, you feeling under the weather mate?

British newspapers are all dead but they can not see it, just look up the yearly sales of these rags, down down down.

Coming in at No.6 most read BBC News this...

Coronavirus: 12 patients treated by two coronavirus GPs being traced

Twelve patients treated by two British GPs who have been diagnosed with coronavirus are being traced by health officials, the BBC understands.

Between them, the two doctors worked in four different places in East and West Sussex - a nursing home, an A&E department and two GP practices.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51470342

That should cut down the time wasters. :03:

Mr Quatro

02-12-20, 12:25 PM

I bet my boy is very relieved he isn't on this ship belonging to his company.

I bet he is ... the ship finally has a port to go to and they don't even have any sick people onboard. I wonder what will happen to the ship after the passengers depart?

After 13 days at sea and refusal by 5 ports, passengers aboard the Westerdam cruise ship are slated to disembark in Cambodia

https://news.yahoo.com/13-days-sea-refusal-5-152844595.html

Passengers aboard the Westerdam luxury liner received good news on Wednesday: they will be able to disembark in Cambodia.

Panic about the coronavirus prompted five ports to turn away the luxury liner even though no one aboard the Westerdam tested positive for the illness.

Starting Thursday morning, the Westerdam will spend a few days at the port in Sihanoukville, Cambodia. Guests will be able to go ashore and take charter flights to the capital city of Phnom Penh, from where they can fly home.

PS or the other two cruise ships that do have sick people onboard ... especially the one off of Yokohama Japan that is getting new sick people everyday. They will have to scrub it really good maybe even dry dock it for a complete going over. If they don't think ahead and someone else gets sick after everyone else leaves they could lose the entire ship to law suits. :o

Mr Quatro

02-12-20, 12:28 PM

President Xi Jinping has reappeared in videos designed to project confidence in his government's handling of a virus, Covid-19,
that has killed more than 1,000 people in China.

The world isn't buying it, and neither should the Chinese people.

https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/SA6jyPIaaoJg8p8u9pnF-5wTHX4=/800x533/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/EQFDKTTM45CELKS6APUPCPZ4MU.jpg

The article isn't worth linking too, but the pictures says it all :yep:

STEED

02-12-20, 12:39 PM

Skybird

02-12-20, 12:47 PM

What do you guys want from me...? It does not matter what paper reports a story and whether you like that paper or not. What matters is whether the stoy it tells, is true. The story is also in many German media, at youtube, in newspaper, in Austria, Switzerland, Germany...

The lethality of this virus seems to be low, but it extremely infectous, apparently. And Chinese as well as foreigners returning from china are travelling all over the planet now, epsecially from asia to africa. In Asia, more and more of the big brands and corporations get affected by production shutdowns, because production lines break down and reserves of subcomopnents are no longer been kept up in modern "economics". Just today Hunday stopped production because their sub contractors cannot keep up the quantity of components straeming into Hunyday factories . A too huge part fo the workforce is already knocked out.

There is something like pandemic mathematics. It bases on how infectous a germ is, how mobile the carriers are, how many interhuman contacts they have per time period, and so forth. In case of Corona virus, these variables are extremely disadvantagous, it seems. The virus may not be extremely lethal, but neverthless can commit a "massacre" due to high quotas of populations getting infected.

Children however do not seem to be much affected at all, it seems.

So again, it does not matter whether the Guardian in Britain brings the story, Die Welt in Germany or Kronenzeitung in Austria, or a youtube video. That is not relevant. What matters are the arguments this doctor from Hongkong brings, and how well his claims are founded. And he is not just anybody, but is referred to as Hongkongs' leading epidemiologist. The WHO by now seems to be pretty much concered for sure.

The danger of Corona lies not in being so very lethal, it seems to be not that, but it can kill huge scores of people nevertheless - by being so extremely infectous. And the economic and production world feels the impact already now. It already now weighs heavy, and will become even heavier. Considering how bad the banking world, debts, cental bank policies and in general the fiscal situation of states are, Corona indeed could turn into a trigger for the next crash. I want to remind of the fact that central banks have no more gunpowder left in their magazines - the next crisis will see them totally helpless.

Jimbuna

02-12-20, 12:52 PM

Moonlight

02-12-20, 01:16 PM

Welcome back Sky ... That newspaper just wants to sell papers no way will this thing get to 60% of the population :o

60% of the population, :har::har::har: this is just scaremongering as usual, what's not unusual is the climate monsters have gone awfully quiet of late since this virus emerged, I bet there's quite a lot of them hoping that this story comes true....
@Skybird, at your age you should stop reading comics. :D
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

Jimbuna

02-12-20, 01:20 PM

More cases of coronavirus are "highly likely" to be seen in the UK and come from overseas, says a senior health official.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51470342

You don't say!! :o

STEED

02-12-20, 01:31 PM

W.H.O has announced the number of cases in China this week has stabilised.

Viewed it around 6:30pm on Sky News.

UDDATE...

Coronavirus: First case in London as virus spreads to capital

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-first-case-in-london-as-virus-spreads-to-capital-11932540

Jeff-Groves

02-12-20, 02:50 PM

I'm buying new clothes!
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQks9KOZl6hfNGYJWy3fYqqSK0BBlY jNvw44j4xrPD6FBG9Kn1O4PNfw9h5J3p29Ry6eJ2wB5uuHO5YN gXig9FNbPsmoXXlu33zxgIFXnpgSiLK36qBsRVPkA&usqp=CAE

Nancy is own her own.

Jimbuna

02-12-20, 02:54 PM

Me too.

https://i.postimg.cc/WpY6p2bX/NBCSuit01-0000-jpgcdc2650a-92d8-4b92-bf5e-14c2157466ea-Large-1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Moonlight

02-12-20, 02:56 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/wvZxjKqc/lrkRrKh.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Mr Quatro

02-12-20, 03:16 PM

My new folding grocery cart :up:

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/6f3c74dd-0932-488e-8a7b-3f15b1c858c7_1.aba02c92e9575a02f03ef2b96418e6e0.jp eg?odnWidth=undefined&odnHeight=undefined&odnBg=ffffff

$49.99 List WAS $80.00

Jeff-Groves

02-12-20, 03:23 PM

:doh:
What the heck does that have to do with the Virus?

em2nought

02-12-20, 03:44 PM

:doh:
What the heck does that have to do with the Virus?

It can live for eight days(?) on metal surface so he probably only wants his "own" shopping cart :03:

Seems like a good idea to me, I don't even like touching those communal things sans Kung Flu. Baby poop and who knows what else on there. Plus the wipes at the stores all seem to be completely unavailable in the last few days since more people are using them due to Corona fear.

Million dollar idea! A portable handle that you carry with you to cover up those nasty shopping cart handles with a drink holder included. Dang it, somebody beat me to it.

https://www.amazon.com/Klean-Grips-Antibacterial-Shopping-Cover/dp/B007NDBTEI?psc=1&SubscriptionId=0ENGV10E9K9QDNSJ5C82&tag=kleangrips-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B007NDBTEI

"THE AVERAGE GROCERY CART HANDLE HAS 1 MILLION GERMS." - TODAY SHOW

Catfish

02-12-20, 03:53 PM

https://i.imgur.com/7dEy1SCl.jpg

Rockstar

02-12-20, 04:41 PM

Traveller

02-12-20, 07:26 PM

Hubei province death toll rises to 242 in one day. Highest so far.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-12-20-intl-hnk/index.html

2.5x higher than February 10. And these are the 'official' numbers. Actual numbers are probably much higher.

Skybird, just ignore those who make it sound like the virus is not as bad as it seems and we have little to worry about. If the experts are correct, this is far from over. That link to the article you posted claiming coronavirus could infect 60% of global population if unchecked was quoting a very respected Hong Kong epidemiologist. But I guess that matters little to those who want to stick their heads in the sand.

Rockstar

02-12-20, 07:53 PM

Please be reasonable here. The key word 'IF' left unchecked. It is certainly not over but it is also certainly far from being left unchecked.

Traveller

02-12-20, 09:18 PM

Please be reasonable here. The key word 'IF' left unchecked. It is certainly not over but it is also certainly far from being left unchecked.

Who's being unreasonable? 'Unchecked' meaning if it cannot be controlled. If it eventually overwhelms the world's medical facilities despite our best efforts. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean 'if we sit on our butts and do nothing about it'. I'm not sure why some people always think this is an impossibility. Like modern medicine and technology is a religion that can overcome anything if we believe hard enough.

It probably won't become a worldwide pandemic which kills tens of millions of people, but there is always that possibility.

Mr Quatro

02-12-20, 09:22 PM

:doh:
What the heck does that have to do with the Virus?

I didn't mean it as a joke or anything ... germs on grocery carts are very real. :yep:

Druggie's even leave residue on their carts that can kill ...

It can fold up for after you empty it into your car or van or truck :yep:

You can wash it off at home :yep:

They even have some new cars with a folding SS grocery cart that fits right into the back of the vehicle :yep:

Onkel Neal

02-12-20, 09:25 PM

Number of reported cases just jumped up by 34% in one day.
Number of deaths shot up 23%
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=2981&d=1581560616https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=2982&d=1581560625

Guess with the WHO on site the Chinese Communist Party has to start more honest accounting. :haha:

Also, rather interesting that the mortality rate is also getting an adjustment.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=2983&d=1581560840

Skybird

02-12-20, 09:25 PM

I dont care for the laughs here, its the clueless ones laughing. If peopole would mind to read what the paper quoted this expert from Hongkong with, they could easily see that his comments are sober, reasonable and realistic, also the two priorities he outlined. Also, do yourself a favour and google his name at Wikipedia, for example. The man is one of the world's leading experts on pandemics containment policies and corona virusses, with an impressive vita. He is right, we now must check whether the strict policies run by the peoples republic have made a difference, yes or no. And if they worked, they should be used globally, because of the traffic patterns of travellers form China into the world, especially Africa.

The danger of this virus is not its lethality, there are more lethal virusses. The danger is that it is so hghly infectous. And the high kill raiton c omes from that: becasue even a low mortality rate means that in case of mayn infections a huge number of kills adds up.

He who can read, clearly has an advantage when all of a sudden being confronted by a non-complying newspaper article. It helps so much for understanding what it actually said. :88) No sensationalism and no hysteria in that Guardian report. Just sober quoting of a reasonable assessment by somebody who knows this matter probably better than most. Check his Wikipedia entry and then see if you can keep up with his qualification and experience.

Traveller

02-12-20, 09:39 PM

Onkel Neal

02-12-20, 09:47 PM

And this just after the mainstream media proudly proclaimed yesterday that it appeared the number of daily infections and deaths had plateaued and were expected to start declining soon. :har:

Yeah, they report with such assurance and confidence. What do they know.

Buddahaid

02-12-20, 09:48 PM

I dont care for the laughs here, its the clueless ones laughing...

And gallows humor is one way people deal with uncomfortable situations.

Traveller

02-12-20, 10:08 PM

And gallows humor is one way people deal with uncomfortable situations.

Nothing wrong with a bit of gallows humor. :haha:

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBZxMpk.img?h=666&w=888&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f
https://i0.wp.com/laviasco.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/funny-coronavirus-meme-reddit-10-1.jpg

Traveller

02-12-20, 11:15 PM

44 more people just tested positive for coronavirus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-13-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Almost 10% of the ship's passengers have now tested positive. Virus Princess indeed.

Rockstar

02-12-20, 11:32 PM

Dont get me wrong guys I just understood what you wrote differently I guess. Anyway, I do believe precautions are in order I'm preppin' like a crazy man as we speak. I just finished dehydrating another 15 pounds of fruit today and vacuum sealed a truck load of meat and veggies for the freezer. Now to load my black powder pistols and Im good to go. At present I can remain in house and not have step one foot outside for anything for at least a month. :D

Rockstar

02-13-20, 12:08 AM

Rockstar

02-13-20, 12:22 AM

unofficially its official its a pandemic

new words to know in 2020: - disinfecting tunnel - quarantine squads - COVID-19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6yB4qXh6M4

Traveller

02-13-20, 12:27 AM

Traveller

02-13-20, 12:29 AM

yikes case fatality rate of 2.24% What's 2.24% or 7.8 billion?

Actually, the Wuhei fatality rate was reported to be around 18% due to overwhelmed medical facilities.

em2nought

02-13-20, 01:30 AM

What's burning in Wuhan? :o

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7986553/Does-satellite-image-scale-Chinas-coronavirus-cremations.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/10/10/24546650-7986553-image-a-3_1581330897946.jpg

Sean C

02-13-20, 04:34 AM

My local grocery store has sanitizing wipe dispensers just inside the doors for wiping down the handles of the carts. They've had them for as many years as I can remember.

Skybird

02-13-20, 06:44 AM

A simple math example. Lets assume somehow the virus indeed grinds through 60% of mankind's 8 billion people, and has a mortality rate of 2%.

That means 96 million dead.

That would be roughly a quarter of the US population, or significantly more than Germany's total population.

This ignores many factors and variables that change in the future: medical counter measures, political failure, mutations, travel restrictions and so on. But still, it gives an illustration of what it maybe is about.

Even if the virus reaches just 10% of the gloobal population and had a mortality rate of just 1%, we still would talk about 8 million dead.

STEED

02-13-20, 07:08 AM

FACT

The Media the governments the viral experts are not telling us all the facts so I will treat it all with a pinch of salt. Until the day we are told the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Terry Nation gets it right again...
First season was good but season 2 and 3 went to the wall slowly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch7N7KCn778

Rockstar

02-13-20, 07:38 AM

It has a name SARAS-CoV-2 also goes into best way to positively build your immune system for free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZYEgREuZ8

Traveller

02-13-20, 07:47 AM

First Japanese death from coronavirus.
Japan has recorded its first death from the novel coronavirus, the country's health minister Katsunobu Kato said Thursday evening local time.The Japanese woman, in her 80s, did not come from the Diamond Princess cruise ship which is in quarantine in Yokohama port, near Tokyo.Taxi driver in Japan tests positive for coronavirus.
A taxi driver in the Japanese capital Tokyo has tested positive for the novel coronavirus, Japanese state broadcaster NHK reported on Thursday.https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-13-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Doctor in Japan tests positive for coronavirus.

Authorities in Wakayama Prefecture, in western Japan, say a male doctor in his 50s living there has been confirmed to be infected with the new coronavirus.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200213_47/

So it begins... :shifty:

STEED

02-13-20, 08:50 AM

Back from my weekly shopping and what I over heard at the checkout made me wonder why are people panicking? The women behind me said she was going on holiday and she stocked up on hundreds of surgical masks! Yes the world has gone mad....

This is only the first couple of months what the heck will it be like in a few more months? People screaming out we are all going to die, hey news in yes we are all going to die one day.

em2nought

02-13-20, 11:19 AM

My local grocery store has sanitizing wipe dispensers just inside the doors for wiping down the handles of the carts. They've had them for as many years as I can remember.

...but now all of a sudden they're always empty when I go to pull one out. There has been a recent uptick in the number of people using those wipes.

mapuc

02-13-20, 11:20 AM

Not much to add to your discussion only this

Ignorance is not an option

Markus

Skybird

02-13-20, 11:22 AM

According to Indian religious peanut heads, the pandemic can be defeated, fast and cheap and on the fly. Drink cow piss. Apply cow dung on your body. Sing a holy song. Done.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/indias-leaders-claim-drinking-cow-urine-will-cure-covid-19

Its not just some religious village nuthead saying this. Its the boss of the Indian state, with control over one of the biggest militaries in the world and nuclear weapons.

Please can we wait a little bit with defeating this disease? Allowing it to thin the global population out a bit, may free the survivors from at least some of the burden of some extraodinarily stupid people.

Catfish

02-13-20, 11:32 AM

[...] Its not just some religious village nuthead saying this. Its the boss of the Indian state, with control over one of the biggest militaries in the world and nuclear weapons.
Did you hear about this US president?

Jeff-Groves

02-13-20, 12:59 PM

According to Indian religious peanut heads

WOW! Just WOW!
Thought there was a rule about name calling in a bigoted way?
:hmmm:

Jimbuna

02-13-20, 01:25 PM

Coronavirus cases are not rising dramatically outside China despite a spike in Hubei province, the World Health Organization (WHO) says.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51495484

The WHO seem eager to believe anything the Chinese put out on the matter :hmmm:

Jeff-Groves

02-13-20, 02:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InIEECDCSYU

Yeah. I don't know how I correlate stuff like this but that's probably a talent of Village Idiots.

Onkel Neal

02-13-20, 02:31 PM

This is only the first couple of months what the heck will it be like in a few more months? People screaming out we are all going to die, hey news in yes we are all going to die one day.

Maybe the people who did not buy surgical masks when they were available will be the ones running around screaming. :03:

Jeff-Groves

02-13-20, 02:34 PM

Maybe the people who did not buy surgical masks when they were available will be the ones running around screaming. :03:

No. They will be the ones running around trying to take our masks!
Seems the body Armour was not as bad a buy as I first thought!

Skybird

02-13-20, 02:57 PM

Maybe the people who did not buy surgical masks when they were available will be the ones running around screaming. :03:
As I repeatedly said, surgicla maks do not do much good, what you want are so-called respirator masks or half-masks of FFP3 standard. Surgical masks do not protect you from others that much, and that is not their purpose anyway -they help a bit to protect the others from you (if you are a spitting or heavy-breathing infectous patient, or are a surgeon breathing into the wounds of a patient you do surgery on).

This is No-No:

(almost no protection for the wearing person)
https://de.vwr.com/stibo/bigweb/std.lang.all/11/90/23821190.jpg

This is Gimme-gimme-wannahave:

(if filter is FFP3, this is good protection for the wearing person)

https://www.berner-safety.de/media/7926/atemschutzmaske-bls-zero.png

https://www.aplusa.de/vis-content/event-aplusa2019/exh-aplusa2019.2642092/A-A-2019-NANOLOGIX-Corporation-s.r.o.-Image-aplusa2019.2642092-7wfFufWGTOWfqBoV4X5eQg-image.png

Consider wearing protective glasses if they ever find infection to work via the eye's mucosa as well:

Mr Quatro

02-13-20, 03:02 PM

My grandfather use to wear a mask ... :up:

I'll ask him if I can borrow his :D

https://www.bing.com/th/id/OIP.oHEnQTYClIm5quoioACs5gAAAA?w=115&h=193&c=7&o=5&dpr=2&pid=1.7

STEED

02-13-20, 03:22 PM

Maybe the people who did not buy surgical masks when they were available will be the ones running around screaming. :03: True, the ones who did will be screaming....Why did I waste all that money on these usless surgical masks. :03:

My grandfather use to wear a mask ... :up:

I'll ask him if I can borrow his :D

https://www.bing.com/th/id/OIP.oHEnQTYClIm5quoioACs5gAAAA?w=115&h=193&c=7&o=5&dpr=2&pid=1.7

Are you planning a bank job?

Jeff-Groves

02-13-20, 03:32 PM

True, the ones who did will be screaming....Why did I waste all that money on these usless surgical masks. :03:
I for see a new episode of American Greed!

STEED

02-13-20, 03:44 PM

I for see a new episode of American Greed! Oh goodie DALLAS is back. :)

Rockstar

02-13-20, 04:45 PM

Hmmm if i understood what this dr said. the spike in cases isnt from a sudden burst of new infections. the first set of numbers we were told of were underestimated. this spike is from now knowing the reality of the current circumstance. new infections still appear to be tapering off.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wlbM6VVkVZM

Skybird

02-13-20, 06:08 PM

The spike indeed comes form a new counting method and a new diagnostic procedure that produces more reliable results, where as the test they did before, a genetic test, had a error quote of around 50%, which renders it almost useless. The new one however strill is far form fail-safe, but catches a higher number of ill people.

However, German media today occasionally reported about anonymous experts in China estimating the real number of infected and of deaths as higher than the regime admits - by a a factor of around 20. In words: TWENTY.

If the pandemic - thats what it is in China at least now - stays centred in China and can be contained, we will never know the real numbers from there. The regime will bury the real statistics in its deepest basement safes for decades to come.

Traveller

02-13-20, 06:49 PM

Chinese government quietly requests 7 million body bags.

As of today, the Chinese government has requested approximately 7 million body bags. China cannot produce them in sufficient quantities, so orders are being placed in foreign countries. So I'd like to pop the question: If they are being honest about a virus that has "only killed about a thousand", WHY TF do they need so FREAKING MANY body bags? Also, WHY are they insisting on incineration when there is no virus that would get through the decomposition stage in a mass grave? Obvious answer: Destruction of evidence.
http://82.221.129.208/.vr8.html

https://www.ntdtv.com/b5/2020/02/12/a102775027.html

Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along. :shifty:

Traveller

02-13-20, 07:31 PM

50% of those tested so far on Diamond Princess are infected.
What's most disturbing about that number is that they've tested fewer than 500 of the more than 3,500 people on the ship," Ripley said on Anderson Cooper Full Circle.https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-13-20-intl-hnk/index.html

219 infected out of 500 tested. Not good.

Coronavirus incubation period can last up to 24 days before first symptoms (not 14 days).

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-symptoms-24-days-after-infection-2020-2

Traveller

02-13-20, 07:40 PM

Chinese Billionaire: 50,000 dead. 1.5 million infected. 250 million quarantined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnGMI2etU1g&feature=youtu.be

Chinese government quietly requests 7 million body bags.

As of today, the Chinese government has requested approximately 7 million body bags. China cannot produce them in sufficient quantities, so orders are being placed in foreign countries. So I'd like to pop the question: If they are being honest about a virus that has "only killed about a thousand", WHY TF do they need so FREAKING MANY body bags? Also, WHY are they insisting on incineration when there is no virus that would get through the decomposition stage in a mass grave? Obvious answer: Destruction of evidence.
http://82.221.129.208/.vr8.html

https://www.ntdtv.com/b5/2020/02/12/a102775027.html

Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along. :shifty:

Rockstar

02-13-20, 08:08 PM

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/84698

This tracker from Johns Hopkins University provides realtime information and tracks cases of this novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in China, as well as around the world, including numbers of deaths, recovered patients, and countries affected.
The World Health Organization has its own coronavirus dashboard as well, but includes only its own information, whereas the Hopkins team synthesizes data from WHO and four additional sources: CDC, European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, China's National Health Commission, and ncov.dxy.cn, an independent data source maintained by Chinese physicians.

full version
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

mobile version
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/85320e2ea5424dfaaa75ae62e5c06e61

Mr Quatro

02-13-20, 08:21 PM

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/84698

full version
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

mobile version
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/85320e2ea5424dfaaa75ae62e5c06e61

Is this the same map? I just found this one showing in detail all of the suspected cases of the virus
and only 15 in the USA vs some 64,346 cases in China ...
that's one big difference. At least we have a head start on what to do ...

I just hope they do the right thing and that it doesn't get that bad here :yep:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

This is just a sample map not up to date

https://images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_1280,f_auto,q_auto,fl_lossy/wp-cms/uploads/2020/01/p-1-this-real-time-map-from-johns-hopkins-lets-you-track-the-coronavirus-outbreak-live.jpg

Rockstar

02-13-20, 10:16 PM

Chinese Billionaire: 50,000 dead. 1.5 million infected. 250 million quarantined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnGMI2etU1g&feature=youtu.be

Chinese government quietly requests 7 million body bags.
http://82.221.129.208/.vr8.html

https://www.ntdtv.com/b5/2020/02/12/a102775027.html

Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along. :shifty:

Seems about right IMO 7m body bags for a 250m quarantined population adds up to around one of the projected case fatality rates of 2.8%.

Traveller

02-14-20, 01:47 AM

Traveller

02-14-20, 02:36 AM

Patient at infected doctor's hospital in Japan tests positive for coronavirus.
A man in his 70s who was treated at a hospital in western Japan where a doctor was recently confirmed to have been infected with a new coronavirus has also tested positive for it, local officials said Friday, although they denied the two came into contact.

The infected surgeon had symptoms of fever and fatigue on Jan. 31 and took two days off but worked Feb. 3-5 after taking antipyretics. He was diagnosed with pneumonia on Feb. 8 and was hospitalized two days later.

In addition to the surgeon and the farmer, another doctor and two patients at the hospital have developed pneumonia. One of the two patients, a woman, has already tested negative for the COVID-19 virus, but local authorities will conduct a fresh test on her and also screen the doctor and the other patient.https://japantoday.com/category/national/Patient-at-infected-doctor's-hospital-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-gov't-to-send-5th-plane-to-Wuhan (https://japantoday.com/category/national/Patient-at-infected-doctor***39;s-hospital-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-gov***39;t-to-send-5th-plane-to-Wuhan)

So the infected doctor (a surgeon) worked for 4 days at the hospital with a fever. I wonder how many other patients and staff the good doctor infected during the incubation period. :o

Three more in Japan are confirmed to be infected.
The latest cases on land include a woman in her 60s who is a taxi driver in Okinawa. She had given rides to passengers from the Diamond Princess during its stop at the island on February 1, prior to the quarantine.

Two other new cases are people from Tokyo who had close contact with a taxi driver who has previously been confirmed to have the virus.
https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-14-20-intl-hnk/index.html

As I had predicted earlier, the passengers that disembarked from the Diamond Princess in Okinawa have spread the virus. This is starting to spiral out of control.

Jimbuna

02-14-20, 06:46 AM

No. They will be the ones running around trying to take our masks!
Seems the body Armour was not as bad a buy as I first thought!

This is the only mask I can find in the house and I doubt it's fit for purpose.

https://i.postimg.cc/vB6kYwPc/4771fd31bc6398f663d508206b7993e48f9004a7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

02-14-20, 06:48 AM

New China figures highlight toll on medical staff

Chinese officials have given figures for health workers infected with coronavirus, amid concerns about shortages of protective equipment.

Six health workers have died and 1,716 have been infected since the outbreak, they said.

The death a week ago of Doctor Li Wenliang, who tried to warn authorities early on about the virus, provoked a burst of public anger and grief.

More than 1,300 people are now known to have died from the virus.

The latest figures show 122 new deaths in China, bringing the toll to 1,381.

The total number of infections has jumped to 63,922 cases, according to the National Health Commission.

If I were a gambling man I'd wager the figures are a lot higher.

Skybird

02-14-20, 06:58 AM

This is the only mask I can find in the house and I doubt it's fit for purpose.

https://i.postimg.cc/vB6kYwPc/4771fd31bc6398f663d508206b7993e48f9004a7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Try this. Seals tight.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/9/94/Alien_facehugger.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20080210191233

Skybird

02-14-20, 07:04 AM

If I were a gambling man I'd wager the figures are a lot higher.
If I were a man with a memory, I would take the average of all estimations on how high the infection rates and death tolls really are, and so would use a factor of 15. The party has a lot of reputation to loose. Xi wants to enthrone his dynasty as new emperor family. He and the party will do everything to hide the true scale of things and how massively the state has underestimated and mishandled it in the beginning.

P.S.
Still things need to be put into relation. I just red a scientist doing research on risk management, and he reminded of some basic numbers: that every year over 10 million people die in China, 150 thousand of these die of influenza and flu, in the US it is 30 thousand people dying of influenza and flu per year, globally these two causes are responsible for 600 thousand to 1 million deaths per year. - What he did not specify and what I just remind of is the number of deaths from pneumonia, which is very dangeorus for small children (it kills around one million small chldren per year), and then becomes the more threatening a disease again the older the patients of higher age 60+ are.

STEED

02-14-20, 08:04 AM

Try this. Seals tight.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/9/94/Alien_facehugger.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20080210191233I am not coming around to your house for a meal. :haha:

Traveller

02-14-20, 08:18 AM

A man from Aichi prefecture, Japan has tested positive. He developed symptoms soon after returning from his trip to Hawaii. I can't imagine how many people he may have infected on both planes, and in Hawaii itself. A Japanese man in Hokkaido, Japan (where I live) has also tested positive.

Sorry, no link yet because it was on the local news tonight.

Also, that infected taxi driver from Tokyo went to a boat party with 80 other members of his taxi drivers association, and now 10 of the members are also showing symptoms and appear to be infected (awaiting test results).

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/14/national/wakayama-positive-coronavirus/#.XkaiyeyRWyU

I'm not trying to scare anyone here, but no matter where you live in the world, this virus will eventually spread to your city or town. It's like influenza or the common cold- it's highly infectious and they cannot control or stop it.

So it's best to get in the habit now of frequently washing your hands with soap and warm water, plus avoid touching your face to reduce chances of infection. And no, surgical masks will not protect you from airborne transmission.

Traveller

02-14-20, 09:41 AM

I'm not trying to scare anyone here, but no matter where you live in the world, this virus will eventually spread to your city or town. It's like influenza or the common cold- it's highly infectious and they cannot control or stop it.

So it's best to get in the habit now of frequently washing your hands with soap and warm water, and avoid touching your face to reduce chances of infection.

Jimbuna

02-14-20, 09:48 AM

Coronavirus: UK conference attendees warned over case

Health officials have contacted hundreds of conference attendees in London, after it emerged one of them was later diagnosed with coronavirus.

The person, who has not been identified, was at the UK Bus Summit at the QEII Conference Centre last week.

Two Labour MPs who were also at the conference said they were well but cancelling public engagements until 20 February as a precaution.

So far, nine people in the UK have tested positive for the virus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51503292

This is going to become more and more frequent as time goes on.

Dowly

02-14-20, 09:53 AM

M-O-O-N, that spells "It's time to rewatch The Stand"!

Skybird

02-14-20, 10:05 AM

This is going to become more and more frequent as time goes on.
Yes, and many will spread it without realising that they do, since many do not form any serious symptoms at all. But those that get infected by them, have a chance to form more serious symptoms - and then wonder why.

The liberty and freedom of movement in our societies definitely work against us in this case. In principle and in theory, all travelling and public life should be locked down for 15 days. Hard to execute in practice, but that would be like killing a fire on board a space station by opening the hatches and let all oxygene escape. The pandemic would be over.

Myself, living a bit socially isolated anyway, will avoid even further to go to town and go to the supermarket at peak times and meet crowds of people. I am more a night than a day walker anyway, and so do not mind to buy my everyday goods and times at 11 p.m. instead in the early afternoon or during midday. Münster holds, by students numbers, the third largest university in Germany, and a huge Asian community there.

Jimbuna

02-14-20, 02:32 PM

First case reported in Egypt, Africa.

mapuc

02-14-20, 02:55 PM

Will we ever know the exact numbers of Chinese who have died from this virus or have been infected by it ?

Markus

em2nought

02-14-20, 03:32 PM

Will we ever know the exact numbers of Chinese who have died from this virus or have been infected by it ?

Markus

That's a big fat "NO", if only all questions were that easy to answer. :03:

Jeff-Groves

02-14-20, 04:46 PM

I see my gamble on stocks in companies that produce Body Bags is paying off!
Looks like an early retirement for me!

mapuc

02-14-20, 05:04 PM

Skybird

02-14-20, 05:24 PM

To be honest

The exact numbers of how many who have died from this virus is not that important for me, even though it would be interesting to know.

What I see as most important in this case...is China willing to share everything they know about this virus with WHO or other medical organizations around the world.

Markus
It seems that China tries to hide a lot of incompetence in the beginning, which has helped to spread the virus, to react not early, and this could put the party's repuation into doubt. So in so far as openness compromises the party'S authpority, they will try ti hide real numbers and full knowledge. The party must always be right, and even high killing scores shall not undermine its authority. After all, this still is China, and thus a very draconic, inhumane regime.

Traveller

02-14-20, 05:31 PM

What I see as most important in this case...is China willing to share everything they know about this virus with WHO or other medical organizations around the world.

Markus

Sure. That's why that wonderful dictatorship is still refusing entry of US CDC experts and others. And that's also why they are arresting anyone trying to get the truth out. So transparent. :har:

I think some here may have drunk a bit too much of the socialist/communist kool-aide. ;)

STEED

02-14-20, 07:09 PM

I doubt the true death figures from China will ever come out and how this outbreak started. I also do not believe China will learn a dam thing from their second mess as there will be another one sooner or later.

Traveller

02-14-20, 07:53 PM

Here are a few good videos on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01L-SktgzXc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwJ5thwr4C8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSbZ9EkZpyg

In the second video at 9:00, they are now now saying that the virus may have an R0 (infection rate) of 4.7 to 6.6, meaning each infected person transmits it to 4-6 other people. The (H1N1) 2009 influenza virus pandemic had an R0 of 1.2 to 1.6.

Free Coronavirus Prediction Tool (requires Excel):

https://www.andology.com/wp-content/uploads/coronavirus-epidemic-chart-data-prediction-tool.jpg

https://www.andology.com/coronavirus-prediction-tool

Traveller

02-14-20, 10:04 PM

Another officer infected while assisting Diamond Princess passenger.
The eighth case is a male Yokohama city officer in his 30s, who helped an infected patient from the Diamond Princess on February 10. He was wearing protective gear and goggles. The health ministry is looking into how he contracted the virus.https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-15-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Also, a second doctor from the same hospital in Wakayama prefecture, Japan is now also confirmed infected. (No link yet)

Mr Quatro

02-14-20, 10:49 PM

I'm just now getting over the flu ... third day, but has all of the same symptoms they have. No way am I going to go to the doctor or even
think that it is the big bad one out of China.

I feel so sorry for all of the people in the area of concern that get the regular flu

What about what they must think :o

Traveller

02-14-20, 10:54 PM

You did the right thing by staying home. They estimated that 40% of infected people in China caught it while visiting the hospital for other reasons.

Jimbuna

02-15-20, 05:24 AM

A Chinese tourist has died in France after contracting the new coronavirus - the first fatality from the disease outside Asia.

The victim was an 80-year-old woman from China's Hubei province, according to French Health Minister Agnès Buzyn.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51514837

First death in France.

STEED

02-15-20, 07:27 AM

^This one was another case of miss reporting, I clearly heard "EUROPEAN DEATH" which to me sounds like a European person born in Europe. It would have been better if they said "FIRST DEATH IN EUROPE" and not the way I heard it. Thankfully not all the news media are miss reporting as many people do not go pass the headlines.

Traveller

02-15-20, 08:02 AM

67 more passengers on board the Diamond Princess have tested positive for coronavirus, bringing the total to 286.

7 more confirmed infected by Tokyo taxi driver.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-15-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Harvard Health Expert: 70% of world population could become infected this year.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/harvard-professor-sounds-alarm-on-likely-coronavirus-pandemic-40-to-70-of-world-could-be-infected-this-year/

Jimbuna

02-15-20, 09:02 AM

^ I would hate to be stuck on any ship with that virus circulating, a ships cabin isn't anything like an isolation facility.

Jimbuna

02-15-20, 10:04 AM

All but one of the nine people being treated for the coronavirus in the UK have been discharged from hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51514628

Rockstar

02-15-20, 11:12 AM

looking at the John Hopkins dashboard I'm seeing several of the confirmed cases have recovered as well

Skybird

02-15-20, 11:34 AM

More and more often one can stumble over silently whispered fears now that there already has been what experts call a "silent outbreak".

And I think it probably is so.

I think chances are greater than 50:50 its already out of control. And they do not want to admit it. International traffic via air and ship hesitated too long.

It also seems that more and more medical staff wearing protective suits nevertheless got infected.

Rockstar

02-15-20, 12:14 PM

last time, we let in ebola. Citizens were seriously upset over that and let our government know it. i think that lesson caused our government to close the doors to our borders early on. We dont live in China, in this country I dont believe our media, doctors, or affected families can be kept quiet. If there was a massive outbreak in the U.S. we would already be hearing about how it was Trumps fault.

Yes here is still a chance those 15 confirmed cases in the U.S. could spread. Im just saying if it does we would hear more than a whisper.

we have quietly prepared areas to accept new cases. it will be no secret if they start filling up.

My immediate concern is the Chinese supply chain. Economies are going to get hit hard by its disruption.

Mr Quatro

02-15-20, 12:43 PM

My immediate concern is the Chinese supply chain. Economies are going to get hit hard by its disruption.

True! In fact the biggest supplier of medical supplies to the USA comes from China and now they are asking for help for their medical supplies.

Someone has to pick up the slack :yep:

Jeff-Groves

02-15-20, 02:41 PM

On Crap! My new Body Armour came from China!
:o

Traveller

02-15-20, 06:30 PM

If there was a massive outbreak in the U.S. we would already be hearing about how it was Trumps fault.

Yes here is still a chance those 15 confirmed cases in the U.S. could spread. Im just saying if it does we would hear more than a whisper.

There is nothing wrong with trying to be positive, but I really hope you are not being serious. Those 15 confirmed cases from Wuhan now in quarantine are not what you need to be worried about. Thousands of Chinese airline passengers (not to mention Japanese passengers) are still arriving in cities all over the US each day, and the only thing they are testing is for high fever.

Again, they are saying this coronavirus probably has an R0 (infection rate) of 4.7 to 6.6, meaning each infected person transmits it to 4-6 other people. Influenza has an R0 of only 1.2 to 1.6. Also, the incubation period can be up to 24 days, plus the virus can survive on surfaces for up to 10 days.

I can almost guarantee you it is now spreading around the US at this very moment, but serious symptoms have yet to show. Within 14 days, we will probably be seeing more cases in the US- most likely in larger cities like New York or Los Angeles. Same goes for London.

Mr Quatro

02-15-20, 06:50 PM

I can almost guarantee you it is now spreading around the US at this very moment, but serious symptoms have yet to show. Within 14 days, we will probably be seeing more cases in the US- most likely in larger cities like New York or Los Angeles. Same goes for London.

This flu season for type A and B has already claimed 14,000 lives what happens if this new one gets mixed in with 26 million America's already having experienced the flu.

https://www.voanews.com/science-health/us-prepares-second-wave-flu-coronavirus-fears-rise

While health officials put plans in place for any possible outbreak of coronavirus, doctors around the United States continue to help patients battle the seasonal flu. The CDC estimates that 26 million Americans have gotten sick with flu this season and around people 14,000 have died.

Traveller

02-15-20, 06:54 PM

This flu season for type A and B has already claimed 14,000 lives what happens if this new one gets mixed in with 26 million America's already having experienced the flu.

https://www.voanews.com/science-health/us-prepares-second-wave-flu-coronavirus-fears-rise

Yes. The seasonal flu usually kills around 10,000-60,000 Americans each year. This coronavirus is 40x deadlier and way more infectious. That is why experts are so worried about it becoming a pandemic. If it does, there will be perhaps be up to 2 to 5 million deaths in the US alone within a year.

Traveller

02-15-20, 07:02 PM

First case of coronavirus involving Westerdam cruise ship confirmed, and it's a US citizen.
The first case of coronavirus involving the Westerdam cruise ship was confirmed by Malaysia on Saturday, after an 83-year-old US citizen tested positive, according to a report from state media Bernama.

Several Asian countries refused to let the Westerdam dock in their ports before being allowed to disembark in Cambodia on Friday. The cruise ship, which had a total of 1,455 guests and 802 crew onboard was not under quarantine, Holland America Line said last week.

All passengers and crew members onboard the cruise ship were allowed to return to their respective countries by the Cambodian government after they successfully passed through health screenings.
https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-15-20-intl-hnk/index.html

So all of the passengers and crew were allowed to return to their respective countries without being properly quarantined and tested. Let's try and spread the virus around the world more quickly, shall we? Brilliant.:timeout:

Rockstar

02-15-20, 08:28 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/02/coronavirus-airlines-scramble-to-enforce-us-travel-restrictions.html

Serious? Of course I am, flights from china were axed, and other methods of deterring the spread are in place. Of course nothing is fool proof, nothing is. But what I am saying is if it goes as you seem so certain of it going. I would expect no whispers only media, affected families and medical doctors and staff speaking up, something, anything would be reported on the quarantine facilities becoming filled.

so far nothing. we're not china we dont jail doctors, family members and journslists.

Traveller

02-15-20, 08:53 PM

Traveller

02-16-20, 12:27 AM

70 more passengers confirmed infected on the Diamond Princess, bringing the total to 356.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-16-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Rockstar

02-16-20, 07:13 AM

yep and it appears the U.S. government is finally getting around to evacuating most of its citizens from that ship.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/16/asia/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-cruise-us-evacuation-intl-hnk/index.html

Jimbuna

02-16-20, 07:31 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51519055

China has announced a drop in new cases from the coronavirus outbreak for a third consecutive day.

On Sunday, authorities reported 2,009 new cases and 142 more deaths nationwide.

New cases spiked earlier in the week after a change in the way they were counted but have been falling ever since :hmmm:

Rockstar

02-16-20, 08:34 AM

Coronavirus, why do Chinese die at such higher proportions to the rest of the world? Besides a dysfunctional government and a non existent health care system. Air pollution, it compromises the average citizens respiratory system. Its so bad being able able to see the moon and the stars at night are something they have only read about.

Electric cars with remote electrical generation and most importantly mining, specifically Cu to make it happen is the wave of the future baby.

Traveller

02-17-20, 01:59 AM

Japan confirms two more coronavirus cases.
One patient is an administrative assistant with the ministry who had been working on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, where hundreds of infections have been confirmed.

The other is a nurse in her 40s who had been treating a woman in her 80s infected with the virus in Kanagawa prefecture, officials there said. The elderly woman later died, becoming the first person in Japan to be killed by the virus.
https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-17-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Catfish

02-17-20, 05:45 AM

[...] Electric cars with remote electrical generation and most importantly mining, specifically Cu to make it happen is the wave of the future baby.
You solve the initial microdust problems in the big cities, but the energy will still have to be produced somewhere. As long as they depend on coal the problem will persist.

They have recently computed how much copper would be needed in Germany alone to build enough charging stations - in one word: impossible.

Traveller

02-17-20, 09:04 AM

Onkel Neal

02-17-20, 09:19 AM

Jeezus, that's bad. If this virus gets out in the general public, it will spread fast.

Traveller

02-17-20, 09:37 AM

Neal, it's already spreading around Japan. Several nurses, doctors, patients, and a handful of taxi drivers from different cities (none connected with the Diamond Princess) have already tested positive. Others are also infected (I think the total now is around 54 confirmed). When one remembers the incubation period is up to 24 days, the virus can survive on surfaces for up to 10 days, plus the virus is 3-4 times more infectious than influenza, I'm expecting the number of confirmed infected in Japan to skyrocket within the next few weeks once symptoms begin to show. I'm afraid this is only the beginning and the calm before the storm. I also have doubts about the 2020 Olympics.

We must also remember that China currently has 780 million citizens either in lock down or under strict travel restrictions. That's almost half of their population! Must be one bad virus. If it weren't, I don't think they would risk destroying their economy.

Traveller

02-17-20, 10:08 AM

Two more confirmed infected in Tokyo.
The Tokyo government says a salaryman in his 30s and a limousine driver in his 60s who lives near Tokyo were also confirmed to have been infected with the virus.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200216_28/amp.html

Mr Quatro

02-17-20, 10:25 AM

This isn't the Tokyo 2020 Olympics that one doesn't start till July 24th

https://sports.yahoo.com/tokyo-marathon-limited-elite-runners-because-virus-110311454--spt.html

TOKYO (AP) -- Tokyo Marathon organizers drastically reduced the number of participants for this year's race on Monday out of fear of the spread of the virus coming from China.

The general public is being barred from the race on March 1. It will now be limited to a few hundred elite participants, organizers said in a brief statement.

''We cannot continue to launch the event within the scale we originally anticipated and we regret to inform you the following: The Tokyo Marathon 2020 will be held only for the marathon elites and the wheelchair elites,'' organizers said.

The Tokyo Marathon is the city's annual race and not to be confused with the Olympic marathon that will take place during the 2020 Tokyo Games. Those races are to be held in the northern city of Sapporo.

The marathon is the latest large sports event to be impacted by the virus. Almost all sports events in China over the next few months have been called off, including next month's world indoor track and field championships and a Formula One race in April.

The regular Olympics open on July 24 with about 11,000 athletes participating.

Rockstar

02-17-20, 12:34 PM

You solve the initial microdust problems in the big cities, but the energy will still have to be produced somewhere. As long as they depend on coal the problem will persist.

They have recently computed how much copper would be needed in Germany alone to build enough charging stations - in one word: impossible.

Where there is a will there is a way. Copper is not the only conductor of electricity. There are conductive polymers, aluminum who knows what else. When demand increases and people figure there is money to be made. I'd bet they'll come up with alternatives. Still though, if there isn't enough to go around for everyone to have a car. May be more delivery services, cleaner efficient mass transit systems or it will just force people to get off their lazy arses and walk or bicycle to the store :)

Im not a big fan of this everyone must believe in man made global warming thing. But when it comes to the general health and welfare of our fellow man I can get behind that. Just think if China spent their wealth on things like that instead of building piles of dirt in the ocean. We might not be dealing with viruses that kill people on a global scale

Jimbuna

02-17-20, 02:48 PM

Japan confirms 99 more cases of coronavirus on board the Diamond Princess, bringing the total to 454.

https://japantoday.com/category/national/japan-confirms-99-more-cases-of-new-virus-on-cruise-ship

I can't begin to imagine how those on that ship who are as yet unaffected must be feeling.

Mr Quatro

02-17-20, 06:05 PM

I can't begin to imagine how those on that ship who are as yet unaffected must be feeling.

They now admit that a cruise ship is not the best place to quarantine people suspected of having the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/they-escaped-an-infected-ship-but-the-flight-home-was-no-haven/ar-BB105sLy?li=BBnb7Kz

“The quarantine on the ship ended up being an unprecedented failure,” said Eiji Kusumi, a doctor specializing in infectious diseases at Navitas Clinic in Tokyo. “We should learn from this lesson that a quarantine on a ship is impossible, and we should not repeat this in the future.”

plus the 14 US passengers that tested positive for the virus were removed by air now makes America one of the largest countries with the virus outside of Asia.

Traveller

02-17-20, 06:40 PM

Hubei doctors warn of even deadlier coronavirus reinfection causing sudden heart attacks.
“It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure,” reads a message forwarded to Taiwan News from a relative of one of the doctors living in the United Kingdom.Also, the source said that false negative tests for the virus are fairly common. “It can fool the test kit – there were cases that they found, the CT scan shows both lungs are fully infected but the test came back negative four times. The fifth test came back positive.”https://www.infowars.com/hubei-doctors-warn-of-even-deadlier-coronavirus-reinfection-causing-sudden-heart-attacks/

Traveller

02-17-20, 08:09 PM

The world needs more people like this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvCmYk_f1uw

Traveller

02-17-20, 08:40 PM

Experts: Coronavirus still likely to spread widely around the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxm-4K6QP4A

Traveller

02-17-20, 09:46 PM

Leaked phone interview with Wuhan funeral home staffer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYYV1B1lRKY

Damn. The funeral home worker claims that death certificates show 38% died in hospitals and 61% died at home. This shows how quickly the virus can overwhelm a health care system.

Rockstar

02-17-20, 09:49 PM

Traveller

02-17-20, 10:02 PM

Rockstar

02-17-20, 10:34 PM

Lighten up Frances ;). I heard it's as infectious as the common cold, which incidentally is pretty damn infectious. So far so good though, no major dents in my life. I still go to work, though due to my age and the the fact that I really dont need to work I had thought about quitting on account of covid19. But I figured Id wait until I heard more. I might head out to Colorado take a nice 'shroom tea and biscuit break. Smoke a good sativa and do a little prospecting. You'd be amazed what you can still find out there in those abandoned mines.

this life, its just a ride man, enjoy it while it lasts fangs out hair on fire

Traveller

02-17-20, 10:37 PM

Officials hiding coronavirus outbreak in Buffalo, New York. (unverified source)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ju7_abh5gc

User comments posted for the video above:
He’s 100% true I’m a police officer and the feds have forced a verbal gag order on first responders and medical personnel. I am personally verifying a North Tonawanda (City) Male tested positive and was taken to the hospital to be quarantined. WHAT THIS MEANS IS THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT PROTOCOL TO STAY QUIET. The only cases that are told are the ones that could not be silenced due to overwhelming circumstances. God Bless
Ok having a hard time sharing this, but a friend of mine in N Carolina had a healthcare worker txt her stating there was a positive case at some hospital over there. Was abt a week ago now, oh geezJust saw a few comments on other videos who have said the same thing this guy is saying! They have family members who work in new York and California who have many patients who have tested positive and nothing is being reported !CDC Leak: Already over 1,000 US coronavirus cases in 32 states. (unverified source)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dw_68tV6c0
User comments posted for the video above:
I have a co-worker that works in Vermont, and she is saying there are 9 cases there.Well Nc is not on the list of states and I know for a FACT that my client's brother is a RN in Charlotte taking care of a COVID19 patient.Arlington police officer confirmed 3 cases in the dfw texas area. Also said it is already everywhere Coronavirus: Is the puzzling silence from officials the calm before the storm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReMCn4GsviM
User comment posted for the video above:
Our uncle is a Dr at an ER in Florida. He said Charlotte county has a positive case and they are monitoring 3 other people in that county as well. It’s weird that they tell the nurses and doctors but not the public. Not yet at least.. everywhere still says no cases in Florida but that obviously not true.

Onkel Neal

02-17-20, 11:00 PM

According to the above doctor. Most will just have common flue symptoms and the infection will pass. A tiny fraction those will develop into pneumonia and of a tiny fraction those pneumonia cases will contract Acute respiratory distress syndrome ARDS.

So were all not gonna die then.
No one ever said we would all die, but this is serious. Don't allow normalcy bias to cloud your thinking. If this virus does have a 10% fatality rate, we're talking millions of people who will suffer terribly. One can never underplay something like this. If they contain it, like they did SARS, then we can relax. But if it gets going, and it appears to be very transmissible, this could really affect everyone.

Whatever. No one said we're all going to die. Besides, I disagree with that part of what the doctor said about comparing it to influenza, because this virus is overall way more infectious and deadly and he knows it. He was just trying to put a happy face on a dire situation.

The problem is when the virus eventually overwhelms health care facilities, factories, distribution networks, and everything else due to massive quarantines and lock downs.

I've decided to stop wasting my time posting updates and other new info because of those here who are in denial by continually trying to downplay the whole thing, and I'm personally getting tired of it.

Continue to bury your heads in the sand, because I don't really care any more.

Nah, don't do that, it's interesting to read multiple points of view. Just be patient, if someone investigates a source of info and questions it, don't take it personally.

Meanwhile, life in quarantine, it's like a virus sci fi movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCsnX2Drtc

Rockstar

02-17-20, 11:34 PM

Officials at the World Health Organization, meanwhile, said Wednesday they are cautiously optimistic the global COVID-19 outbreak may be contained by the spring. Michael Ryan, executive director of WHO's health emergencies program, said he would love to be able to predict the future, "but we need to be cautious."

Although he noted during a press briefing that the number of cases of COVID-19 in China, epicenter of the outbreak, appears to be stabilizing, "we're not going to talk about numbers or dates ... It's way too early to predict the beginning, the middle or the end of this epidemic."

case fatality rates fluctuate with the times. Even I once calculated it to be somewhere around 10%. But it was pretty high at the outbreak when people didn't have a clue what hit them. As the virus is better understood, quarantine procedures established and treatment begins that rate goes down. WHO currently projects a 2% rate. Time will tell.

I get my intel from CDC, WHO and John Hopkins I follow their lead in this matter and like them I am cautiously optimistic. Spring is a nice time of year.

Traveller

02-17-20, 11:48 PM

Thanks, Neal. I might stick around and just ignore certain posters.

I'm not trying to be all doom and gloom with my postings, but my gut feeling tells me this is going to get much worse. It's already spreading quickly, but the powers that be are suppressing the truth in order to prevent public panic for as long as possible. In Hong Kong, stores were wiped out across the city within 1 day once panic had set in.

Epidemiological experts claim that on average, a deadly global pandemic occurs once every 100 years. This may very well be it.

And for me personally, I think I'm just as worried about the possible system breakdown and economic fallout as I am of catching the virus.

Traveller

02-18-20, 12:29 AM

Wuhan hospital director dies from coronavirus.
Liu Zhiming, director of the Wuchang hospital in Wuhan, died from the novel coronavirus on Tuesday morning, Chinese state media CCTV and Global Times reported.

Liu was a neurosurgeon and is the first hospital director to die as a result of the coronavirus epidemic which started in the city of Wuhan in late 2019.
https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-18-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Onkel Neal

02-18-20, 12:45 AM

Skybird

02-18-20, 05:29 AM

Welcome to globalized production networks.

My concern regarding the infection itself, is Africa.

The West needs to regain certain production capacities again. Pharmaceutical production is a popular example. It cannot be that key ingredients for drugs get produced by just two comonies in China. How insane was it to let it get this far, just for short-sighted productivity and shareholders' interest concerns?

Catfish

02-18-20, 06:04 AM

Traveller

02-18-20, 06:08 AM

88 more Virus Diamond Princess passengers confirmed infected (65 of them showing no symptoms), bringing the total to 544.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-18-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Yes, again. I'm beginning to lose track. No wonder China currently has 785 million citizens under lockdown or strict travel restrictions. This is one bad virus. :o

Catfish

02-18-20, 06:35 AM

^ yes it is.
However just of all a modern passenger ship with inward cabins and a central air conditioning providing all cabins is the perfect precondition to get all infected asap :doh:

Passengers were told to remain in their cabins and only come out for an hour a day, why the hell? So they can be sure to get the virus?

The only way to spread this faster is Facebook..

Traveller

02-18-20, 06:52 AM

Passengers were told to remain in their cabins and only come out for an hour a day, why the hell?
Partially correct. Only those not showing any symptoms with inner cabins without windows are allowed to leave for 1 hour per day. All others are confined to their cabins 24 hours a day and are not allowed to leave. Originally, all passengers not showing symptoms were allowed to go top deck for 15 minutes per day, but I believe they stopped allowing this some time ago.

Regardless of most passengers being confined to their cabins 24 hours a day, the virus is still spreading like crazy. Extremely infectious indeed. I'd say there's a good chance that it's airborne and traveling through the ventilation system .

Skybird

02-18-20, 09:08 AM

A "cure" for millions has to be found, and made affordable. As soon as you have a more "exotic" disease there is one pharma company holding patents, and a cure or infusion may cost a 200,000 dollars. Because "they can" demand it.
1. How should a nationwide health service be able to pay this?
That is true, but it is just one half of it. The other half is that medical research costs stellar ammounts of money that companies must earn to afford dojng such development research.

It costs money, you see. And nobody shoud expoect anyone else to work for free, or even at his own costs.

Its a business where everybody fights with iron glive son, however, that also is true. But if "the state pays for developing it", who is it then who really pays for it...? :hmmm: :03: And it will cost more, and more money will end in incometent state handling and corruption. The state is not the better business manager.

Maybe we should leave business to business companies - but limit access to it by private shareholders mistaking a company with their private coins milking cow.

Mr Quatro

02-18-20, 10:42 AM

Partially correct. Only those not showing any symptoms with inner cabins without windows are allowed to leave for 1 hour per day. All others are confined to their cabins 24 hours a day and are not allowed to leave. Originally, all passengers not showing symptoms were allowed to go top deck for 15 minutes per day, but I believe they stopped allowing this some time ago.

Regardless of most passengers being confined to their cabins 24 hours a day, the virus is still spreading like crazy. Extremely infectious indeed. I'd say there's a good chance that it's airborne and traveling through the ventilation system .

We love your reporting Traveller you go to a lot of trouble to prove your point.

You are better than main stream news media with hardly any updates. :up:

I think this Diamond Princess cruise ship is a good case study for all doctors and medical staff that study the problem.

Surely it was passed on by a crew person that had no signs of the virus. How did the passengers eat everyday?

They were fed at their doors and then the trays were put outside that alone would pass on something.

Very strange about this problem exploding on a cruise ship, but not in the military areas of the USA where the quarantine passengers are being held.

I've had the flu for two weeks now and it feels horrible no way am I going to go see if it is the one from China that would be impossible.

My religion says not to worry, but it sure is bothersome. :yep:

Rockstar

02-18-20, 12:24 PM

two weeks? most people feel better WITHIN one to two weeks. thank your god for doctors and go see one.

mapuc

02-18-20, 12:35 PM

So we accuse China for not telling the truth and the whole truth.

Well even our own elected politicians and our authorities are not exactly telling us the truth.

A few days back some politicians or was it some authority from our national health care system, who said

If this virus should hit us, we will be prepared and we have the resources to handle it.

Our hospital here in Denmark and in Sweden are under extreme pressure due to this seasons flu.

Our health care system have been under massive pressure the last 5-10 years due to cuts.

So our health care in Denmark and in Sweden, would most likely collapse.

Markus

Rockstar

02-18-20, 02:15 PM

welp the U.S. has gone from 16 confirmed cases to 29. Three recoveries, no deaths. c'mon spring!

Jimbuna

02-18-20, 03:01 PM

A British couple who have been on a quarantined cruise ship in Japan have tested positive for coronavirus, their son has told the BBC.

Sally and David Abel, from Northamptonshire, are among 74 British nationals on the Diamond Princess, which was quarantined on 3 February.

The Foreign Office said it was "working to organise a flight back to the UK" for British nationals.

An evacuation is expected to take place within the next two to three days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51541352

This couple have almost achieved celebrity status in recent weeks here in the UJ as a result of their regular interviews.

Fat lot of good it has done for them unfortunately.

Rockstar

02-18-20, 03:56 PM

From the CDC

How efficiently does the virus spread?

How easily a virus spreads from person-to-person can vary. Some viruses are highly contagious (like measles), while other viruses are less so. Another factor is whether the spread continues over multiple generations of people (if spread is sustained). The virus that causes COVID-19 seems to be spreading easily and sustainably in Hubei province and other parts of China. In the United States, spread from person-to-person has occurred only among a few close contacts and has not spread any further to date.

Traveller

02-18-20, 06:25 PM

From the CDC

In the United States, spread from person-to-person has occurred only among a few close contacts and has not spread any further to date. :har:

Rockstar

02-18-20, 06:42 PM

Updated February 17, 2020

CDC is closely monitoring an outbreak of respiratory illness caused by a novel (new) coronavirus. The outbreak first started in Wuhan, China, but cases have been identified in a growing number of other international locations, including the United States. This page will be updated regularly on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

Persons Under Investigation (PUI) in the United States*†‡

Positive 15
Negative 392
Pending§ 60
Total 467

*Cumulative since January 21, 2020.
† Numbers closed out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.
§Includes specimens received and awaiting testing, as well as specimens en route to CDC.
‡Does not include PUIs in the US that were evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, including presumptive-positive cases.

Rockstar

02-18-20, 06:54 PM

Update on the epidemic situation of new coronavirus pneumonia as of 24:00 on February 17

Posted: 2020-02-18 Source: Health Emergency Office

Information comes from the official website of the National Health and Health Commission People's Republic of China
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202002/261f72a74be14c4db6e1b582133cf4b7.shtml
Translated by Google Translate

At 04:00 on February 17, 31 provinces (autonomous regions, municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported 1886 new confirmed cases, 1097 new severe cases, and 98 new deaths (93 in Hubei, and 3 in Henan). Cases, one in Hebei and one in Hunan), with 1432 new suspected cases.

On the same day, 1701 new cases were cured and discharged, and 27908 close contacts were lifted from medical observation.

As of 24:00 on February 17, according to reports from 31 provinces (autonomous regions, municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, there were 58016 confirmed cases (including 11,741 severe cases), and a total of 12,552 discharged cases (7 cases increased by Beijing Nuclear Power). ), A total of 1,868 deaths, 72,436 confirmed cases (2 cases of Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps nuclear increase), and 6,242 suspected cases. A total of 560,901 close contacts were tracked, and 141,552 close contacts were still in medical observation.

1807 newly confirmed cases in Hubei (1600 in Wuhan), 1223 newly cured cases (761 in Wuhan), 93 new deaths (72 in Wuhan), and 50338 confirmed cases (37152 in Wuhan), Among them, there were 10,970 severe cases (9,222 in Wuhan). A total of 7,862 discharged patients (4,219 in Wuhan) were cured, 1,789 died (1,381 in Wuhan), and 59,989 confirmed cases (42,752 in Wuhan). There were 788 new suspected cases (340 in Wuhan) and 4194 suspected cases (1799 in Wuhan).

A total of 92 confirmed cases were reported from Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan: 60 cases in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (2 cases discharged, 1 death), 10 cases in Macau Special Administrative Region (5 cases discharged), 22 cases in Taiwan (2 cases discharged, 1 case died) ).

Rockstar

02-18-20, 07:04 PM

Globally 73 332 confirmed (1901 new)

China 72 528 confirmed (1891new) 1870 deaths (98 new)

†Outside of China 804 confirmed (10 new) 25 countries 3 deaths

WHO RISK ASSESSMENT

China Very High
Regional Level High
Global Level High

Rockstar

02-18-20, 07:12 PM

From the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/current-risk-assessment-novel-coronavirus-situation

The risk associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection for people from the EU/EEA and UK is currently considered to be low.
This assessment is based on the following factors:

Since all cases reported in the EU/EEA have clearly established epidemiological links, the probability of transmission in the EU/EEA and the UK is considered to be very low.
However, the impact of one or more infections resulting in sustained transmission in the EU/EEA would be moderate to high, especially for elderly populations with comorbidities, given that the reported case severity is high among these groups.

The risk for people from the EU/EEA and UK travelling/resident in areas with presumed community transmission is currently high.
This assessment is based on the following factors:

The probability of infection for those travelling/resident in areas where ongoing sustained community transmission is considered moderate to high. The overall number of reported cases in areas with community transmission is high or increasing sharply. However, there are significant uncertainties regarding transmissibility and under-detection, particularly among mild or asymptomatic cases.
For travellers/residents, the impact of one or more infections is considered high, especially for elderly populations with comorbidities, given that the reported case severity is high among these groups. The impact will also depend on the capacity and availability of healthcare during the epidemic.

Traveller

02-18-20, 07:17 PM

I ran across this message posted by someone on another site today. No way to verify it, but I'm sure the truth will come out sooner or later. My guess is that US officials are going to soon start slowly announcing increasing numbers of those infected little by little so as to not create panic, like they are doing in China, Japan, and elsewhere.

Does anyone actually believe that there have been zero new confirmed cases in US for the past 3 weeks? Lol. I have no doubt that New York City will be one of the first major hotbeds for the virus.

Just minutes ago, Westchester County, New York released information that 26 people in their area may have coronavirus.

Rockstar

02-18-20, 07:26 PM

I ran across this message posted by someone on another site today. No way to verify it, but I'm sure the truth will come out sooner or later.

Quite possible according to U.S. CDC 17 February report there are 60 investigations pending.

(§Includes specimens received and awaiting testing, as well as specimens en route to CDC.)

Traveller

02-18-20, 07:49 PM

7 more confirmed infected in Japan.
Three men in Tokyo are among the new cases. Two of them are in serious condition.

Three other infections were reported in the western prefecture of Wakayama. Most of the cases there have some link to a local hospital. The youngest of the new cases is the son of an infected doctor.

And a man in Aichi Prefecture, central Japan, has also tested positive.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200218_52/amp.html

Rockstar

02-18-20, 07:53 PM

Troll Watch: Misinformation Around The Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/15/806365997/troll-watch-misinformation-around-the-coronavirus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka48UZDDzLY

Onkel Neal

02-18-20, 08:26 PM

Interesting. If you look back on his update #8, he was calculating the death rate by simply deaths/total cases to date. I posted a comment that it should not be calculated that way and on his next update, he addressed that and changed his formula.:03:

Traveller

02-18-20, 09:15 PM

Troll Watch: Misinformation Around The CoronavirusSuch as what is coming out of the CDC. :haha:

Traveller

02-18-20, 09:21 PM

Coronavirus phone call to Governor Cuomo. (skip to 11:00)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWJBeP8KITo
Video comments:
You also can add myself (as posted in the past) as a first responder to the Male who was Positive and transferred to Millard Fillmore also they sent a memo to the supervisor of the local fire department stating that there was a leak from the workers who were told absolutely not to speak about the situation at hand. Thx God BlessI actually talked to an executive from a local news agency that is my 2nd cousin and he told me they have to get approval from the public relations officer from my department plus the CDC or government rep for Approval. Regardless if it’s the Truth they will not break protocol plus here’s the kicker the information needs to be vetted before they announce it however this falls under hippa because of the patients rights. This is the same as when an officer is exposed to an individual who you believe has AIDS. They DO NOT have to tell you or submit to a blood test.I just found out that most states are refusing to give information on confirmed cases due to the HIPPA laws. That is why our infected case numbers on Johns Hopkins data site hasn't changed in a week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SXp8XzVtu0

Aktungbby

02-18-20, 10:19 PM

the jig is up! There is now a confirmed case of corona virus in quarantine in the Queen of the Valley Hospital in my town of Napa! Ca.:k_confused: She was transferred after arriving at Travis Air base in nearby Fairfield after being on a Japanese cruise ship....I'll have to dredge up an old Napa fire/smoke mask I suppose....

Buddahaid

02-18-20, 10:23 PM

I was just there last week and work at the sister hospitals in Sonoma. I've heard nothing about this yet. Off to New Orleans Thursday regardless.

Traveller

02-18-20, 10:48 PM

A Japanese official spent only 10 minutes on board the Diamond Princess, and kept a distance of at least 2 meters (6.5 feet) from all passengers. He was wearing full protective gear (suit, N95 mask, gloves, goggles) and fully decontaminated after leaving the ship. He is now infected.

This virus is extremely infectious I'd say. :o

Aktungbby

02-19-20, 12:19 AM

I was just there last week and work at the sister hospitals in Sonoma. I've heard nothing about this yet. Off to New Orleans Thursday regardless.just read about it on my Samsung tablet! I'm getting prepaid at Treadway and Wigger!:O:

Skybird

02-19-20, 07:31 AM

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/los-alamos-experts-warn-covid-19-almost-certainly-cannot-be-contained-project-44-million

Traveller

02-19-20, 07:43 AM

79 more confirmed infected on the Diamond Princess, bringing the total to 624.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-19-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Onkel Neal

02-19-20, 08:32 AM

I was just there last week and work at the sister hospitals in Sonoma. I've heard nothing about this yet. Off to New Orleans Thursday regardless.

New Orleans? Ha, the virus is the least of your dangers :)

Rockstar

02-19-20, 08:33 AM

Coronavirus phone call to Governor Cuomo. (skip to 11:00)

Video comments:

Video comments:
Quote: I actually talked to an executive from a local news agency that is my 2nd cousin and he told me they have to get approval from the public relations officer from my department plus the CDC or government rep for Approval. Regardless if it’s the Truth they will not break protocol plus here’s the kicker the information needs to be vetted before they announce it however this falls under hippa because of the patients rights. This is the same as when an officer is exposed to an individual who you believe has AIDS. They DO NOT have to tell you or submit to a blood test.

Quote: I just found out that most states are refusing to give information on confirmed cases due to the HIPPA laws. That is why our infected case numbers on Johns Hopkins data site hasn't changed in a week.

Apparently the guy on the phone is a complete idiot and could have saved himself the embarrassment if he just read the HIPPA law instead of asking a secretary. Because nothing has changed there must be a cover-up?

HIPPA Privacy Rule expressly permits disclosures without individual authorization to public health authorities authorized by law to collect or receive the information for the purpose of preventing or controlling disease, injury, or disability, including but not limited to public health surveillance, investigation, and intervention.

Rockstar

02-19-20, 08:53 AM

79 more confirmed infected on the Diamond Princess, bringing the total to 624.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-19-20-intl-hnk/index.html

More to the story. The question is WHY were 79 more infected? Id bet this is probably the reason we got our people off of that plague ship and brought them home.

A Japanese infectious disease specialist has castigated his government's handling of quarantine on a coronavirus-stricken cruise ship, saying it was run by "bureaucrats" who stoked the crisis by failing to follow basic protocols.

"The cruise ship was completely inadequate in terms of the infection control," he said in his video. "There was no single professional infection control person inside the ship and there was nobody in charge of infection prevention as a professional. The bureaucrats were in charge of everything."

Iwata told Reuters that he could face professional repercussions for his public rebuke of the government. He said he posted the videos at the urging of his wife, who is also an infectious disease specialist and said it was his professional duty to get the word out.
"You don't want to hide the chaotic problem and risk to lots of people," Iwata said. "You have to really do something about it."

https://news.trust.org/item/20200219112415-1abbc

Traveller

02-19-20, 09:01 AM

HIPPA Privacy Rule expressly permits disclosures without individual authorization to public health authorities authorized by law to collect or receive the information for the purpose of preventing or controlling disease, injury, or disability, including but not limited to public health surveillance, investigation, and intervention.

You don't have to quote HIPPA rules to me. Me and many others are already fully aware of the rules, but others who are abusing their powers seem to be using it as an excuse to withhold information which the public has a right to know.

Personally, I've had it with you trying to debunk or dismiss almost everything I post. I'm not sure what your purpose here is, but you seem to have nothing better to do. I'm just trying to get the truth out, but all you ever do is downplay or deny the seriousness of the situation.

Good luck denying this pandemic once the virus reaches your neighborhood. It's already only 3.5 hours by car from mine, if not here already.

Mr Quatro

02-19-20, 09:09 AM

You don't have to quote HIPPA rules to me. Me and many others are already fully aware of the rules, but others who are abusing their powers seem to be using it as an excuse to withhold information which the public has a right to know.

It will come out into the open they have to start contacting anyone that person with the virus had contact with in order to trace it and they will have to be put into self quarantine or worse. :yep:

Rockstar

02-19-20, 09:53 AM

Traveller

02-19-20, 10:20 AM

If you are fully aware that medical professionals are legally required and allowed to report infections. why in blue blazes would you post what someones sister's, brother's, cousin's, uncle said about States not reporting cases because that information is protected by HIPPA?

who are these people which are abusing their powers?

Oh, dear God. Are you really that ignorant? Government emergency powers can override practically any other law if they feel its in the best interest of public safety, such as secretly attempting to prevent panic during a pandemic by hiding new infections. Ever heard of martial law, where many laws are void and citizens can be stripped of their freedoms and rights?

You just don't give up, do you? You are nothing but a troll who is trying to start arguments as far as I'm concerned. You are worth neither my time nor effort, and I don't feel the desire nor need to prove anything to you because I honestly don't care what you think or believe.

A long time ago I promised myself I would no longer allow myself to be drawn into arguments with internet trolls. Have fun arguing with others, because I'm done wasting my time posting here.

Traveller

02-19-20, 11:28 AM

This is my final post here. Stay safe, everyone!

Chinese scientists now claim coronavirus is airborne.
Officials said the coronavirus can be passed on through aerosol transmission if a person was exposed to high concentrations of droplets in the air mixed with the virus in a relatively closed environment for a long time.

Previously, they cited respiratory droplets and close contact as the main transmission routes, and said there was no evidence that the virus could be transmitted through aerosol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200219_43/amp.html

Mr Quatro

02-19-20, 12:08 PM

This is my final post here. Stay safe, everyone!

Chinese scientists now claim coronavirus is airborne.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200219_43/amp.html

I hope your not pissed off at me Traveller ... all I tried to add to the conversation is that if someone does have it and the authorities know it that they can't keep a secret ... :yep:

Not in our country at least due to the fact that the people contacted that may have been exposed to it will tell someone who will tell someone.

So use your ignore button wisely ... :yep:

Heck I had Skybird on ignore for years before he started making sense to me about how your data can be used against you :up:

Jeff-Groves

02-19-20, 02:59 PM

Traveller,
I hope you keep reporting what you find.
I for one do read that and as I travel all over the U.S.A.?
I want information like that.
And just because something is a Law? That don't mean jack crap to those that run things.
Why did I buy Body Armour? Because things are hidden about crime and other stuff to protect an image!
Having been on job sites where people have been stabbed and shot I figured my time was running out if I did not protect myself.
Now this comes up. Information allows me to prepare rather then react.

Rockstar

02-19-20, 03:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BYaywITXYk

Jimbuna

02-19-20, 03:08 PM

Hundreds of passengers who tested negative for the new coronavirus have begun leaving a quarantined cruise ship in Japan amid heavy criticism over the country's handling of the outbreak.

One Japanese health expert who visited the Diamond Princess at the port in Yokohama said the situation on board was "completely chaotic".

US officials said moves to contain the virus "may not have been sufficient".

Passengers have described the difficult quarantine situation on the vessel.

At least 621 passengers and crew on the Diamond Princess have so far been infected by the Covid-19 virus - the biggest cluster outside mainland China.

The ship was carrying 3,700 people in total.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51555420

Hopefully lessons will be learned from this.

Skybird

02-19-20, 03:11 PM

I suggest you go to youtube and search for "Japan zoo exercise".

These "drills" :har: are meant serious.

Jimbuna

02-19-20, 03:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtM281gVWNM

Jeff-Groves

02-19-20, 03:19 PM

Think I may post this on my home.
With additions maybe.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11959646-3x2-700x467.jpg

Rockstar

02-19-20, 03:52 PM

Public-health officials in the U.S. are striving to keep tabs on thousands of Americans who have quarantined themselves at home after returning from mainland China to curtail the new coronavirus, adding to an epidemic response that is straining already-stretched local departments. More than 5,400 people had been asked to self-quarantine in California alone as of Feb. 14, according to the California Department of Public Health. Hundreds more are self-quarantining in Georgia, Washington state, Illinois, New York and other states.
While public-health authorities are experienced with isolating, contact tracing and quarantining people to contain infectious diseases such as measles and tuberculosis, an attempt to monitor and quarantine people at this scale is a unique challenge. And quarantines typically apply only to those with a known exposure to a virus, rather than just travel history, public-health officials say.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-has-u-s-cities-stretching-to-monitor-self-quarantined-americans-11582108203

Traveller

02-19-20, 05:24 PM

I hope your not pissed off at me Traveller ... all I tried to add to the conversation is that if someone does have it and the authorities know it that they can't keep a secret ... :yep:

Not in our country at least due to the fact that the people contacted that may have been exposed to it will tell someone who will tell someone.

So use your ignore button wisely ... :yep:

Heck I had Skybird on ignore for years before he started making sense to me about how your data can be used against you :up:

No, I'm not mad at you at all. You haven't always agreed with everything I post, but I have no problem with that. I had only decided to stop posting due to borderline harassment by Rockstar, who seems to have a problem with practically everything I post.

Heck, I personally don't even care if anyone thinks this whole virus thing is just overblown fear- mongering. Everyone has a right to believe whatever they want. What I do have a problem with is when a certain other board member here tries to continually draw me into arguments. I don't have the time, energy, or patience for that. Instead of posting his own links to support his views, he usually just attacks mine instead. Easier that way I guess.

Anyway, I didn't realize there was an ignore button. I searched for one but couldn't find it. Maybe I'll stick around if I can find it.

Mr Quatro

02-19-20, 06:06 PM

Eisenwurst

02-19-20, 06:09 PM

Please stick around Traveller and keep posting. :up:

Traveller

02-19-20, 06:33 PM

Use to be one ... I couldn't find one either .. I haven't used it in years though.

Stick around anyway don't let him get to you ... this virus isn't going to go away and we need the International cooperation that you give us from Japan.

Just report him if he picks on your threads. :yep:

So were you the one that said you visited a popular Chinese restaurant in Japan and that it was half empty?

Thanks for the support. Yes, that was me. Posted that a few weeks ago. By the way, there are now a total of 4 confirmed cases only 3.5 hours away from where I live. I'm sure that if the virus is not already here by now, it will be soon.

Please stick around Traveller and keep posting. :up:
Will do. :salute:

And regarding that lion escape training video... Yes, Japanese culture can be strange and childish in certain ways. :D

Mr Quatro

02-19-20, 07:07 PM

https://www.bing.com/th/id/OIP.rhnObs53Pw3LcHEgMtUODwAAAA?w=203&h=199&c=7&o=5&dpr=2&pid=1.7

I don't know if China and the UK have social security numbers like we do here in the USA,
but if they do they could supply you with free mask if you let them imprint
your last four numbers of SS number on the front. :up:

The problem would be someone committing a crime using your mask though :oops:

Buddahaid

02-19-20, 08:32 PM

That mask won't protect you, it designed to protect others from you.

Rockstar

02-19-20, 09:21 PM

Dont read this report before bed, it may induce nightmares.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.20018549v1.full.pdf

If there is a bright side too all of this Professor Mark Harris, School of Molecular and Cellular Biology, University of Leeds, said: “Its true that the numbers in the Jonathan Read paper look scary, however the authors do make some significant assumptions which they built into their mathematical model. So I think the numbers need to be considered in that context.

“One positive spin is that if we are only aware of 5% of the total cases, the implication is that 95% of cases have only resulted in either mild symptoms such that the infected people did not consider it serious enough to seek medical help, or indeed the virus may be causing an inapparent infection. This would significantly reduce the apparent mortality and morbidity rates. If at current rates 41/1400 people have died, taking into account that 1400 is only 5% of the total that means 0.1% mortality, less than flu. Perhaps this analysis might be important when considering the implications of the paper.”

pleasant dreams everyone

oh this report from late January deals primarily with China and neighboring countries. wouldn't doubt it may have played a part in our decision to stop flights into the United States from China

Buddahaid

02-19-20, 09:32 PM

Fun to watch in light of current affairs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tUQ7VHnB6c&feature=emb_logo

Rockstar

02-19-20, 11:18 PM

Pennsylvania has more than 72,000 confirmed cases of the influenza A and some B

In other news, over all about 14,000 Americans have died from the above influenza this season.

Mr Quatro

02-20-20, 01:03 AM

That mask won't protect you, it designed to protect others from you.

That's the one you see them wearing in the images from the streets of China,
plus South Africa just sent 2.8 million mask to China to help them out. :yep:

Traveller

02-20-20, 01:35 AM

The South Korean government has announced 31 new cases of the coronavirus in one day, bringing the country's total to 82. The first coronavirus death in South Korea also occurred today.
According to the South Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 23 of the new cases went to the same church as a previously diagnosed patient.

South Korea's health authorities said they will test all 1,001 members of the congregation who attended a service with the infected patient for the coronavirus.

Patients and staff at Cheongdo Daenam hospital, where the death occurred, are being tested for the virus, and environmental disinfection is currently ongoing.
Coronavirus patients can have similar viral load whether or not they show symptoms.
Researchers in China are saying that people with the novel coronavirus may have the same viral load -- or amount of virus in their body -- whether or not they are actually showing symptoms of illness.

"(This) suggests the transmission potential of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic patients,” the researchers wrote in the letter.

“These findings are in concordance with reports that transmission may occur early in the course of infection."

It comes as the largest and most comprehensive study yet of the novel coronavirus found it is highly contagious, more so than severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).
https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-20-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Two Diamond Princess passengers die from coronavirus.
Two passengers from the Diamond Princess have died after being infected with the new coronavirus. They are the first fatalities among the passengers and crew of the quarantined ship docked at Yokohama Port, near Tokyo.

Japanese government officials say an 87-year-old man and an 84-year-old woman, both Japanese, died on Thursday. Health ministry officials are looking into the infection routes.

Both individuals had underlying health problems.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200220_33/

Traveller

02-20-20, 02:16 AM

Japan appears to be on the cusp of a large coronavirus outbreak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMDMrDjGsnc

Not appears, but is already happening in my opinion. Japan's prime minister is urging companies to let their employees work from home if possible, or to adjust work hours in order to avoid rush hour train crowds so the virus won't spread as quickly. City governments around Japan are also cancelling public events until further notice. But all of this is too little too late as far as I'm concerned.

Furthermore, the government reporting of a newly infected cases here is being delayed and spread out in order to avoid public panic.

Another coronavirus case confirmed today in Sapporo, Japan.
A man in his 40s has tested positive for the virus in the northern Japanese city of Sapporo. That's the 88th case of infection outside passengers and crew from the cruise ship Diamond Princess.https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200220_45/

That makes 5 total now in Hokkaido, with 4 new cases in just the past week- all unrelated, plus none had recent travel history to China! How many more are currently unconfirmed or unreported? It's spreading quickly now and very soon it will be knocking on my door. There is no escape. It is coming...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0HPeNPOOamw
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9 other new cases were also confirmed in Japan today, not counting the new Sapporo case.
Japan's health authorities confirmed seven new cases of coronavirus infection on Thursday. That brings the total number of patients outside passengers and crew from the ship to over 90.

Among the new cases, a man in his 80s has tested positive in Kanagawa. He had been staying at a hospital where an elderly woman who died from the virus had received care.

And in Fukuoka, a man in his 60s became the first patient in the Kyushu region.https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200220_54/

The man in Kanagawa was in the same hospital as the infected woman from the Diamond Princess who died today, but he was apparently there for a different illness. She was in isolation the whole time at the hospital since February 12, but he still became infected. I wonder how many of the medical staff and patients at that hospital are now infected. I pray that medical facilities across Japan don't eventually become overwhelmed and break down like they have in China.

Mr Quatro

02-20-20, 10:29 AM

I'm too busy today to research it, but just from reading Travellers postings it seems that age and other health issues that person or person's have contribute to the early dismissal's of many of the patents dying.

Japan is not a small nation, but is one of the largest close to China and now they are experiencing the up swing of this convid 19 virus which has not peaked anywhere that we know of.

Stay safe Traveller :up:

Onkel Neal

02-20-20, 10:42 AM

What a Party in Japan May Tell Us About the Coronavirus’s Spread

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/world/asia/japan-coronavirus-clusters.html

Four days after the river cruise, on Jan. 22, the mother-in-law of the taxi driver in his 70s said she felt fatigued. Six days later, the woman, who was in her 80s, sought medical help but was told to monitor her condition. On Feb. 1, she was hospitalized after being given a diagnosis of pneumonia.

Her respiratory condition worsened, and she was moved to another hospital on Feb. 6. She was given the coronavirus test on Feb. 12. A day later, she died, and the results of her test soon came back positive. Her death was the first from the virus in Japan.

After health officials in Tokyo discovered that the infected taxi driver was the son-in-law of the woman who had died, they started tracing his contacts. They discovered that he had attended the boat party, and tested everyone who had been there. Seven others who were confirmed infected said they had no symptoms.

Yes, the next week in Japan should be revealing. Cross your fingers they don't get a surge of new cases.

Meanwhile, good news: Coronavirus: 81% of cases are 'mild,' study says (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-81-of-cases-are-mild-study-says)

Importantly, the study found that the case fatality rate rises with age. Specifically, up to the age of 39 years old, the fatality rate is 0.2%, at the age of 40, it is 0.4%, 1.3% for those in their 50s, 3.6% for people in their 60s, and finally, 8% for those in their 70s.

By comparison, the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) that health experts have likened coronavirus to affected fewer people in 2002–2003, but the death rate was 14–15%, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

In terms of the geotemporal spread of the virus, the study confirms that “COVID-19 spread outward from Hubei Province sometime after December 2019, and by February 11, 2020, 1,386 counties across all 31 provinces were affected.”

The study also found that people with cardiovascular disease were at the highest risk of death from coronavirus, followed by those with diabetes, chronic respiratory disease, hypertension, and cancer.

Furthermore, the authors note a “downward trend in the overall epidemic curve.”

The epidemic curve showed that the onset of symptoms “peaked around January 23–26, then began to decline, leading up to February 11,” they write.

They add that this suggests “that perhaps isolation of whole cities, broadcast of critical information (e.g., promoting handwashing, mask wearing, and care seeking) with high frequency through multiple channels, and mobilization of [a] multi-sector rapid response teams is helping to curb the epidemic.”

Rockstar

02-20-20, 05:46 PM

Latest CDC update

Imported cases of COVID-19 in travelers have been detected in the U.S. Person-to-person spread of COVID-19 also has been seen among close contacts of returned travelers from Wuhan, but at this time, this virus is NOT currently spreading in the community in the United States.

42 states have persons under investigation.

So far so good on Covid-19

unfortunately so far this season 14 thousand people have died in the U.S. from infuenza type A

I would hazard a guess and say most deaths from the flu including Covid-19 are going to be due to being elderly or having underlying health issues.

Rockstar

02-20-20, 10:43 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/thousands-americans-voluntarily-self-quarantine-after-returning-china-n1138731

Thousands of Americans voluntarily self-quarantine after returning from China

It's up to the state and local health departments to decide how to manage their residents under self-quarantine.

Traveller

02-21-20, 01:17 AM

3 more confirmed cases in Hokkaido, Japan.
The three include two male elementary school students in Nakafurano Town. The other is a woman in her 40s. She lives in Chitose City. The woman was working as a quarantine officer at New Chitose Airport.

A total of eight cases have now been confirmed in the prefecture.https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200221_29/

Only 2 hours from me. It's getting closer. Should be here within a few days, if it isn't already.

South Korea reports 3 military members infected with coronavirus.
Three members of the South Korean military, including an officer each from the army, the navy and the air force, have tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

All three had a connection to the Daegu region, one of the epicenters of the growing South Korean virus outbreak.

There are now 156 infections from the virus in South Korea, and one death.South Korean military to restrict all soldiers from leaving bases over coronavirus fears.
All South Korea military personnel will be restricted from leaving their bases, going on vacations and staying out overnight from Saturday, the country's Defense Ministry announced today.South Korea infections jump sharply again to more than 200 in total. Total number of infected nearly doubles in 24 hours.Another 48 cases of the novel coronavirus that is spreading rapidly around the world have been diagnosed in South Korea, the South Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) said in a statement today.

In total, there are now 204 cases across the country. The number of infections in South Korea has almost doubled in 24 hours.

Among the 48 new cases, 42 are from the city of Daegu, two in Seoul, two in South Gyeongsang Province, one in Gyeonggi Province and one in the city of Gwangju.
Cases rise in China as fears of self-sustaining outbreaks grow in East Asia.
Hopes for a slowdown in the spread of the novel coronavirus (https://www.cnn.com/specials/asia/coronavirus-outbreak-intl-hnk) were dashed Friday as the number of new cases rose in China, and outbreaks worsened in Japan and South Korea.

Authorities in China's Hubei province confirmed an additional 631 cases of the virus Thursday, 282 more than the previous day, taking the total number of cases at the epicenter of the outbreak to 62,662.

Meanwhile, fears are growing of self-sustaining outbreaks elsewhere in Asia. Outside China (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/asia/coronavirus-cases-worldwide-intl-hnk/index.html), the largest coronavirus outbreaks have been in South Korea and Japan, where hundreds of people were infected on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which began disembarking passengers this week from Yokohama Bay.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-21-20-intl-hnk/index.html

I hate to say this, but it looks like the virus is self-sustaining and there's no stopping it. Those of you here who are not located in Asia, I strongly suggest that you prepare now if you haven't already, because it now appears that the virus will be coming to your city or town sooner or later. Even if you don't become infected, there's a good chance it will disrupt your lives in some way (travel, product shortages, hospitals, jobs, etc).

Catfish

02-21-20, 05:36 AM

China reported an uptick in new cases of coronavirus on Friday [21. february 2020], boosted by more than 200 people testing positive for the disease in two prisons outside of Hubei province.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/coronavirus-on-g20-agenda-as-china-reports-uptick-in-cases-idUSKBN20F01P

Skybird

02-21-20, 05:44 AM

A recently reported drop in new cases in China apparently has to be attributed to just another new counting method only.

Traveller

02-21-20, 05:46 AM

New coronavirus case confirmed in Humboldt County, California.
The Humboldt County Department of Health & Human Services Public Health Branch has received confirmation from the California Department of Public Health and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) of one case of COVID-19 in a Humboldt County resident. A close contact who has symptoms is being tested as well.

This marks the first confirmed case of the novel coronavirus in Humboldt County. Presently, the ill individuals are doing well and self-isolating at home, while being monitored for symptoms by the Public Health Communicable Disease Surveillance and Control Unit.
https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/first-case-of-novel-coronavirus-confirmed-in-humboldt-county

2 confirmed coronavirus cases at John Hopkins hospital in Baltimore, Maryland. (anectdotal and unverified)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4hXEf1beuo

Did anyone actually believe there were zero new confirmed cases in the US this past 3 weeks? It looks as though the US government and the CDC borrowed the Wuhei government's instruction manual on how to perform cover-ups. :har:

Rockstar

02-21-20, 06:30 AM

A recently reported drop in new cases in China apparently has to be attributed to just another new counting method only.

Just a hunch but there's that Asian cultural thing about 'saving face' 'losing face' which may drive how numbers are counted.

Rockstar

02-21-20, 06:42 AM

Did anyone actually believe there were zero new confirmed cases in the US this past 3 weeks? It looks as though the US government and the CDC borrowed the Wuhei government's instruction manual on how to perform cover-ups. :har:

Frankly I just dont see it as much of a government cover up when its in today's national newspaper and the journalist and his family are still alive. IMO authorities and media have two objectives #1 prevent the spread of disease, #2 and getting the word out without causing the spread of panic as both can be just as harmful to the public. But it isn't made any easier by the nut cases and clowns armed only with conspiracy theories of government cover ups and unverified sources on youtube.