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Skybird

06-20-20, 06:12 AM

The Guardian's exclusive article:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/17/uk-ministers-order-urgent-vitamin-d-coronavirus-review

Dr. Campbell cannot be thanked enough for bringing this issue of Vitamine D up time and again in his videos, I have collected a lot of reading about it in the past three months as well, and the burden of hints and evidence is already overwhelming, and not just regarding the positive effect in case of Covid 19.

I am a bit amazed that he enver mentins Vitmaine K2. Its important and maybe the most overlook vitamine there is.

I can only wave at the direction where the water is, going there and drinking the horse must do itself.

I supplement Dr. Campbells latest video on Vitamine D with again linking to this German site (use Google website translator)

https://www.vitamind.net/dosierung/

that has a lot of information collected on Vitamine D, the site belongs to a book publisher who is in holistic medicine and naturopathic treatment, the authors all are doctors with PhDs and are practicing, they are no dubious shady business people. Many of their articles have links to according studies in the established medical journals, check these out. Even the article on products only gives warning on what to watch out for in crooked products and lists no brands and no individual supplements, there is no advertising and no selling attempt whatever. But it warns of that many of the products you can buy especially via internet, are of inferior quality and often have jjst a part of even just a tiny fraciton of the doses printe don the packages.

If somebody knows an equivalent to this site in english, I would appreciate it if it is made known to us.

Do not trust in the conventional orthodox dose reocmmendaitons given by national nutrition advisory boards. Its dinosaurs sitting in them, their values base on one single monumental methodological fault in one highly influential study that erratically calculated some data too low by factors of 5 and 10!!! Like in the past with iron and spinach: some poor dude once copied data and accidntally moved the decimale by one position, and so spinach suddenly in scientific literature had ten times as much of iron than it actually has... A very prominent example of how human fault can mess up science data.

I am confident to say that very likely you are always on the safe side if you stay within 10 thousand units per day over many months, and do not exceed a once-in-a-lifetime entry dose of 50 thousand units to get yourself started in replensihing your body'S internal Vit D reservoir (doing so takes time, several weeks). And that are even still conservative, extremely cautious estimations. Hypercalcemia and comparable symptoms as well as symptoms of "intoxication" (idiotic term, i know, but lets keep it short) usually are agreed by doctors working with Vit-D therapies to not become an issue with daily doses not exceeding 40 thousand and rushed entry doses not exceeding 250-300 thousand units.

As usual my strong advice to always combine with Vit K2, and Magnesium.

Stupid German minster wants to ban supplement slike this alltogether, continentally. I will never tolerate that such incompetence and vulnerability to lobbyism is allowed to make it to the rank of minsters. She pishzes for it on EU level but I hope she is fired from offic ebefore she can cusseed and that the eU is distracted by having other issues on its mind currently. Stupid, stupid girly. A season's winner of the title of "Weinkönigin" from some village. if only she would have stayed there. :arrgh!:

Jimbuna

06-20-20, 01:56 PM

From tomorrow, UK tourists visiting Spain won't have to self-quarantine.

A review into the 2m social distancing rule will conclude "within the coming days", the UK culture secretary tells the BBC

Greta Thunberg tells the BBC the world needs to learn the lessons of coronavirus and treat climate change with similar urgency.

The authorities in Mexico City are delaying a planned reopening of the economy by a week.

World Health Organization says there were 150,000 new cases on Thursday - half from the Americas.

Jimbuna

06-20-20, 02:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBgaKOfgYmo

Jimbuna

06-20-20, 02:05 PM

The R rate, or reproduction rate, for Covid-19 has jumped to 1.79 in Germany, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) for public health has said.

Northern Ireland has recorded no new coronavirus cases in a full 24-hour period since lockdown began.

Saudi Arabia says it will end a nationwide curfew and resume all economic activities from Sunday, despite its rising number of cases.

Chile has announced it will add 3,069 deaths to its coronavirus toll under a new counting methodology.

There are concerns in the US that the country is experiencing a second wave of coronavirus infections as several states report a record number of cases in recent days but Vice-President Mike Pence describes the fears as “overblown”

Delhi ordered a new five-day quarantine for anyone infected with coronavirus in the Indian capital after a record spike in infections on Friday.

mapuc

06-20-20, 02:08 PM

By reading the news I get the feeling our authorities have re-opened the society to early and to fast and the citizens have forgot to keep social distance.

According to a Danish article the R0 have gone up in Germany, from 1.06 to 1.79.
The same in other countries-the R0 have increased instead of decrease.

Markus

Catfish

06-20-20, 03:44 PM

By reading the news I get the feeling our authorities have re-opened the society to early and to fast and the citizens have forgot to keep social distance.[...]
Yes, it is about populism. It is not popular and will probably spoil your election if you try to fence people in :03:

skidman

06-20-20, 04:07 PM

Yes, there is a strong increase in R in Germany, mainly reflecting outbreaks in three new clusters:

- Germany's biggest slaughterhouse with more than 1000 infections and 7000 quarantined

- a tenement block in Berlin-Neukölln, almost 100 cases

- nearly 120 infections in a tenement in Göttingen

The problem with the R value as an indicator for the course of the pandemic is it is based on a statistical estimate for the last 4 (or 7) days, more precisely: It is a quotient of two testings in enumerator and denominator respectively.

A local outbreak will first lead to a rise in the denominator (R increases), then to a rise in the enumerator (R decreases). So one will notice a very strong oscillation in R. After 8 (11) days we will see a R value that allows for assessments, if a significant spreading of the virus from the cluster into the vicinity has occurred.

Skybird

06-20-20, 07:54 PM

Was in town, shopping in the supermarket, on Saturday morning. Must say that the discipline is almost completely gone, social distancing is a rare oddity now, amongst all age groups, on the street anyway, but also at the cash desk in the supermarket. No count limit anymore of how many people get in at the same time. Stupid. In the news thew interviewed some people on the street this evening, and to listen to these stupid comments some people give, just makes me angry. "Masks were okay in the past months, but now its warm and summer, and I want to enjoy the party", said one young woman. Does the world suddenly change just because she wants to party? Another said "All these measurements are - well, I think instead of doing this distancing, people better should start thinking about it." Häh...? Meaningless babbling. Noise. The sound of empty nutshells hitting the ground.

The problem is it gets increasingly difficult to protect yourself from these strange people. You risk aggressive intermezzi if keeping them at bay and demanding them to not stand so close behind you. Was in an store for Asian foods from Japan, India and so on, some Indian-Pakistani looking sweating man almost touching me when he waited behind me at the cashdesk, that close he was, mask below his nose, when I told him to keep distance and step back, he said something in a foreign language and angry tone and I had to turn on him in full to make myself clear. That might be nice for my ego, but it does not protect me from the real danger in this situation, and that is not the idiot himself, but the virus, if he carries it.

I need a shotgun with tennis balls to load. Shopping increasingly becomes risky again. Need to knock out the bug-lovers while they still are 3 m away.

skidman

06-21-20, 03:31 AM

Buddahaid

06-21-20, 03:42 AM

Really! Trump at his best. Let's all hide under the blankets and pretend everything is fine, okay? Loser.

Jimbuna

06-21-20, 04:50 AM

Spain is today reopening its tourism industry by lifting travel restrictions for foreign visitors.

Visitors from the EU and Schengen zone countries and Britain will not have to isolate on arrival.

Face masks still have to be worn in public spaces where social distancing is not possible.

In the UK, a review into the two-metre social-distancing rule will conclude "within the coming days", the culture secretary tells the BBC

Greta Thunberg tells the BBC the world needs to learn the lessons of coronavirus and treat climate change with similar urgency.

The authorities in Mexico City have delayed a planned reopening of the economy by a week.

Jimbuna

06-21-20, 04:54 AM

Pubs in England may be required to register their customers as part of the coronavirus test-and-trace strategy, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said.

In Europe’s first national election since the pandemic began, parliamentary and local elections are taking place in Serbia, where the populist governing coalition is hoping to strengthen its majority.

The Australian state of Victoria has extended its state of emergency for four weeks, until 19 July, after seeing the biggest spike in cases for more than a month.

US President Donald Trump has told a rally in Oklahoma that he asked officials to slow down testing for coronavirus because so many cases were being detected in the country.

India has reported 15,413 new coronavirus cases, the biggest daily increase since the start of its epidemic, as the country struggles to grapple with rising infections.

Another 48 new coronavirus cases have been reported in South Korea, where health authorities are struggling to get to grips with an outbreak in the capital, Seoul.

Skybird

06-21-20, 06:58 AM

Greta Thunberg tells the BBC blablablabla
Uääähhhhh, the brat is back, what a pity. Why even mentioning her....? Life had won in quality in past months without her precocious moralising.

Really, not all was bad in the past months. That people were more aware of others, more polite and willing to give up their right of way, made easier eye contact , and did no longer try to rub their skin against yours at every opportunity - I like that as general social politeness. Hugging and kissing and embracing and shaking hands, I never liked all that. So juch can be done more stylishly with the eyes alone, and an nod, or an implied bow. I am not the other's towel.

Platapus

06-21-20, 11:16 AM

"You know testing is a double-edged sword, here's the bad part ... when you do testing to that extent, you're going to find more people; you're going to find more cases.
So I said to my people, slow the testing down please."

Donald John Trump; Tulsa (OK); June 20th, 2020

More testing results in higher number of confirmed cases
Less testing results in lower number of confirmed cases

The logic is clear. Testing causes COVID-19!

Mr Quatro

06-21-20, 11:42 AM

More testing results in higher number of confirmed cases
Less testing results in lower number of confirmed cases

The logic is clear. Testing causes COVID-19!

Some people might think that statement is funny, but it is so true :yep:

Causes more awareness causes more fear :yep:

mapuc

06-21-20, 11:55 AM

I've been thinking in a placebo-way of thinking.

Let presume you feeling tip top alright now symptoms from this Corona virus whatsoever, then you take a test while you are near the hospital and the test showed that you have the virus.

Now will this positive test result in a suddenly change of feeling tip top alright to I'm going to die oh agony.

Where you the day before was on the top and now you are real down.

Markus

Jimbuna

06-21-20, 12:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7BbXEOB1gk

August

06-21-20, 01:00 PM

Some people might think that statement is funny, but it is so true :yep:

Causes more awareness causes more fear :yep:

Exactly. A far more telling indicator is the death rate. Here in the US it has continued to trend downward even as the number of cases increases.

https://i.imgur.com/2aazXHf.png

Skybird

06-21-20, 02:08 PM

In Germany, R0 had climbed to values fluctuating between 1.5 and 1.8 before a recent outbreak at meat producers with over a thosuand of known infections. Many people, foriegn workers, have fled and returned to home countries of theirs. The state government of Northrhine Westphalia, whose leader Mr. Laschet already is responsible for not having stopped the Carnival in the later pandemic starting area of Köln and Düsselforf, once again reacted too late, many other people hjave escaped quarantine internation in location and now spread what there is to be spread. R0 has jumped to 2.8, logically.

There are several other outbreaks in now isolated hotspots, severla ones in Göttingen alone, but also Berlin, and some other places. Whole blocks and tower blocks get guarded by police that is being attacked with rocks, iron rod, and such items, every day officers get injured.

Previously agreed rules and plans between national and states governments when to lock down whole regions in case of a second wave or local backslides, get ignored, instead a lot of talking to weasel around that, while since days things spin more and more toweards gbetting out of contorl again. In Berlin sinc eMarch illegal public parties with hundreds of particpants have been run secrtely in public parks. The ultra-left senate coalition passed a law discriminating the police to such ammounts that the other states have annocunced they will no longer send own police troops in case of being called for help by Berlin. The natipon interior minister also ruled out to send the federal police into Berlin anymore, due to the politically wanted discrimination.

Catfish

06-21-20, 02:18 PM

Solution is quite easy: Stop testing, and the numbers go down :yeah:
Weasels are beautiful animals.

vienna

06-21-20, 06:45 PM

Reminds me of a situation regarding police-generated crime stats here in LA a while back; the LAPD was touting how gang-related crime and homicides had decreased in a run up to new budget funding; the LA Times and a couple of local TV news outlets did a little digging into the LAPD claims and found a interesting fact; the LAPD was only classifying a crime as gang related only if both the perp and the victim were gang members; this meant if a gang member committed a crime and the victim wasn't a gang member, then the crime was not counted as 'gang-related'; the decrease in 'gang-related' crime the LAPD was touting was an artifice and, when the stats were corrected to accurately record the actual level of 'gang-related' crimes, there was a net increase in gang crime; ignoring the crime didn't stop it happening and never will...

It was a ridiculously stupid idea to try and manipulate the reality of the severity of a critical situation just to make the 'numbers' look good for political reasons and it backfired spectacularly; if you are going to fight something, intel is your strongest weapon; the more you know about the nature and scale of your adversary, the better equipped you are to fight and defeat it; if an enemy army is building up on your borders, ignoring it neither decreases the threat nor arms you adequately to defeat it...

I've said it before: I have very strong confidence Trump will either say or do something to torpedo his reelection, and, so far, he is not disappointing...

Covid-19 will not stop spreading, maiming or killing just because Trump, his minions, and the Trumpettes aree more concerned about his poll numbers than they are about the numbers of US citizens suffering from the outbreak and their ignorance (in all aspects of the definition of the word) only serves to worsen an already bad situation...

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Armistead

06-21-20, 11:03 PM

Yea, I agree with Trump is doing a good job torpedoing his reelection chances.. still, like our Democratic gov closed down a rural racetrack that about 500 may attend on a weekend as a health risk not social distancing, then the next day he's shoulder to shoulder marching with 1000's of protesters.. Like Bill Maher said...no matter what stupid crap Trump says or does, Dems will say "hold my beer".

Reminds me of a situation regarding police-generated crime stats here in LA a while back; the LAPD was touting how gang-related crime and homicides had decreased in a run up to new budget funding; the LA Times and a couple of local TV news outlets did a little digging into the LAPD claims and found a interesting fact; the LAPD was only classifying a crime as gang related only if both the perp and the victim were gang members; this meant if a gang member committed a crime and the victim wasn't a gang member, then the crime was not counted as 'gang-related'; the decrease in 'gang-related' crime the LAPD was touting was an artifice and, when the stats were corrected to accurately record the actual level of 'gang-related' crimes, there was a net increase in gang crime; ignoring the crime didn't stop it happening and never will...

It was a ridiculously stupid idea to try and manipulate the reality of the severity of a critical situation just to make the 'numbers' look good for political reasons and it backfired spectacularly; if you are going to fight something, intel is your strongest weapon; the more you know about the nature and scale of your adversary, the better equipped you are to fight and defeat it; if an enemy army is building up on your borders, ignoring it neither decreases the threat nor arms you adequately to defeat it...

I've said it before: I have very strong confidence Trump will either say or do something to torpedo his reelection, and, so far, he is not disappointing...

Covid-19 will not stop spreading, maiming or killing just because Trump, his minions, and the Trumpettes aree more concerned about his poll numbers than they are about the numbers of US citizens suffering from the outbreak and their ignorance (in all aspects of the definition of the word) only serves to worsen an already bad situation...

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vienna

06-22-20, 01:33 AM

Jimbuna

06-22-20, 04:31 AM

World Health Organization records highest one-day increase in total cases, with 183,000 added in one day.

Most came from Brazil, followed by the US and India.

The high level of confirmed cases is partly down to a global increase in testing.

Brazil passes 50,000 Covid-19 deaths; only the US has more.

UK PM Boris Johnson will discuss reducing the 2m rule, with a decision expected on Tuesday.

South Korea is going through a 'second wave' of coronavirus, officials say, even though new infections are falling.

France is re-opening cinemas, swimming pools and holiday centres. All children up to 15 are back at school.

Globally, there have been almost 9m confirmed cases since the outbreak began, with 467,000 deaths.

Bilge_Rat

06-22-20, 09:26 AM

Exactly. A far more telling indicator is the death rate. Here in the US it has continued to trend downward even as the number of cases increases.

https://i.imgur.com/2aazXHf.png

yes, I was going to post the same thing, you see the same thing in Canada.

focusing on the number of cases is the wrong metric IMHO. The whole idea behind the lockdown was preventing the health system from being overwhelmed, so the key data points are how many patients require hospitalisation and how many die.

The raw number of Covid-19 cases itself is in a sense irrelevent since apparently up to 80% of people who test positive show no symptoms.

Jimbuna

06-22-20, 01:12 PM

From 6 July those in England most vulnerable to the virus will have more freedom to see other people.

UK government reviewing whether 2m rule on social distancing in England should be reduced to 1m.

Greatest threat is not the virus itself but lack of global solidarity and leadership - WHO.

Jimbuna

06-22-20, 01:15 PM

The total number of cases worldwide has now exceeded nine million, according to the count kept by the US-based Johns Hopkins University.

It says the exact number of global infections is 9,003,042.

A total of 469,122 people have now died.

Skybird

06-22-20, 01:47 PM

Just for the record: such numbers are never "exact" counts, but are calculated projections. The quality depends on the model construction on which they base. Some counts go into the formula, and the projection then covering also areas where there were no or unprecise/incomplete counts. Also, time delays by reporting data distort the overall calculated result. The latter is one thign that espoecialyl the Germans are especially bad in , that is why even over here the Johns Hopkins numbers get reported mostly and in the first, whereas those from the national Robert Koch Institut - which is no researching institute but a department of the German health ministry, a state office - play a subordinate role only. The American models are better, and their data processing is faster. Still, even these are no exact counts, but calculated projections.

"Counting" and "exact" should not be taken literally in these contexts.

Just saying, for entertainment.

Skybird

06-22-20, 02:01 PM

This graph speaks a clear language on the differences between how the pandemic is going in the EU ands in the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/22/united-states-europe-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-comparison-sanjay-gupta-ldn-vpx.cnn

population EU: 446 million
population US: 328 million.

If somebody wonders why it looks as if I now count less people in "Europe" compared to an earlier opportunity in some post severla days ago: that past number was on whole of europe. The EU covers only a part of Europe. Europe has 741-747 million population. That latter count include srussia, a detail with which I absolutely disagree. To me, Russia is Russia: not Europe, not Asia, but a sphere of its own with transition zones to both neighbouring regions.

Jimbuna

06-23-20, 03:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBmw1Vzbb_w

Jimbuna

06-23-20, 03:54 AM

Cases in Florida surge past 100,000, the seventh US state to reach the mark.

New infections are spiking in several US states as the country reopens.

Saudi Arabia has said the Hajj pilgrimage will go ahead but with no international visitors.

Cases are rising in Victoria, Australia, raising fears a second wave might be coming.

UN chief Antonio Guterres has thanked health workers for their "remarkable acts of service to humankind"

UK PM Boris Johnson is expected to say pubs, cinemas and galleries will be able to reopen in England from 4 July.

Worldwide there have been more than 9 million virus cases and 471,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

06-23-20, 04:03 AM

The Scottish government will make a decision on reopening outdoor spaces at pubs and restaurants on or around 2 July. The hospitality sector in Scotland has been told to prepare to reopen on 15 July.

The next review of Wales's lockdown measures is due on 9 July. The Welsh government has promised talks with the hospitality sector about a "potential phased" reopening of pubs, cafes and restaurants, but no dates have been given.

In Northern Ireland, pubs, hotels, cafes, bars and restaurants can open from 3 July.

Online grocery shopping in the UK was up 115% in the four weeks to 13 June, compared with the same period last year, new analysis reported by Reuters has shown.

A new surge of coronavirus cases in the Portuguese capital has forced the authorities to bring back lockdown measures in a number of Lisbon's suburban districts. Outdoor gatherings are again limited to 10 people, shops must close by 20:00 local time and restaurants must stop serving drinks by the same hour.

Car sales in Europe will drop by 25% this year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers Association.

Crisis talks are taking place in North Rhine-Westphalia in Germany after an outbreak of infections linked to the Tönnies meat processing plant. Regional officials may reimpose lockdown restrictions in the area after 1,553 workers were infected.

In the US state of Texas, the virus is said to be spreading at "an unacceptable rate", with the governor warning that tougher restrictions could be needed to control it.

Hong Kong reported 30 new imported Covid-19 cases on Monday - its biggest increase since early April.

A supercomputer in Japan is being deployed in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.
The large machine, named Fugaku, is being used to simulate how droplets would spread in office spaces with partitions installed or in packed trains with the windows open.

Jimbuna

06-23-20, 10:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxhacWoRSCA

Jimbuna

06-23-20, 10:15 AM

UK PM Boris Johnson tells MPs that restaurants, pubs and hairdressers will reopen in England from 4 July.

Mr Johnson says 2m distancing rule is being reduced to 1m plus.

Cinemas, museums and other attractions will also reopen, but not "close proximity" venues like indoor gyms.

Two German districts re-introduce lockdown after 1,553 workers test positive at Tönnies meat processing plant.

World tennis number one Novak Djokovic tests positive for Covid-19 after playing in his Adria Tour tournament.

Daily UK briefing will end - briefings to take place only for significant announcements instead.

Saudi Arabia has said the Hajj pilgrimage will go ahead but with no international visitors.

Worldwide there have been more than 9 million virus cases and 471,000 deaths.

Skybird

06-23-20, 10:19 AM

Two districts had to go back to lockdowns, one of them is bordering my home town to the east.

German chief virologist Chrisian droste says that after the past days' events in meat producing facilities - a huge chicken meat producer now joined the fun now - and on the streets and the generally growing reactance to caution and discipline, he is very pessimistic now regarding what will be in say two months from now on.

I was on another biycle tour today, Münster-Rheine-Nasses Dreieck- Münster, 130 km. Half of it or more was along the Dortmund-Ems-Channel. What I saw there in various places best can be described as "mass happenings". Zero caution. Zero distancing. Nothing.

Jimbuna

06-23-20, 10:25 AM

The latest Covid-19 outbreak in Beijing has led to some swift changes in Chinese eating habits.
So far, 249 people in the capital have tested positive since an individual tested positive on 11 June.
State media believe that the virus was first detected on chopping boards used for imported salmon, and so media are highlighting that there has become widespread nervousness around eating seafood.

In Mexico, 759 people were reported to have died in the 24 hours up to Monday evening, raising the total number of Covid-related deaths to more than 22,500. The worst-affected area is Mexico City, where officials had to postpone plans for a reopening of businesses. Among those who have tested positive for the virus are footballers Rafael Baca and Jonathan Rodríguez, who play for top division club Cruz Azul.

Peru, which has the second-highest number of cases in Latin America after Brazil, had some good news on Monday as it registered its lowest number of new cases in 42 days. The news came as shopping centres in some parts of the country reopened after three months.

Brazil has the second highest number of Covid-related fatalities in the world. Intensive care units are feeling the strain with Amazonas state in the north; Acre in the north-west; Rio Grande do Norte, Pernambuco, Alagoas and Sergipe in the north-east, and Espirito Santo in the east struggling the most.

A judge in Brazil has ordered President Jair Bolsonaro to wear a protective mask when he is in public spaces in the capital, Brasilia, and the surrounding federal district.

Skybird

06-23-20, 04:27 PM

Two districts had to go back to lockdowns, one of them is bordering my home town to the east.

Tadaah: Tusch und Kapelle! - I just red that while I was on bicycle tour in the countryside today, my hometown has reintensified the mandatory wearing of masks again.

This wave is completely self-made. Congratulations.

skidman

06-23-20, 04:37 PM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ya4mvw66mhw9ciy/Music%204%20plants.png?raw=1

This is what Corona does: You want to be a Monstera

Jimbuna

06-24-20, 04:26 AM

More than 100,000 people have now died in Latin American and the Caribbean as the pandemic accelerates.

Health experts are saying infection rates still haven't peaked in many countries.

Covid-19 has "brought this nation to its knees" said the director of the US CDC
Robert Redfield's comments came as about half of US states are seeing a surge in new cases.

Health official Anthony Fauci warns of a "disturbing surge" in infections, and calls for increased contact tracing.

An outbreak in Germany has sparked fresh lockdowns.

World number one tennis player Novak Djokovic has said he is "so sorry" after testing positive.

Globally there are now 9.2m cases and almost 477,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

06-24-20, 04:33 AM

Talk of a dreaded second wave will dominate the coming weeks and months. The UK will need to be prepared for one.

Economic forecasters believe it will be at least 18 months before Scotland makes up the output lost due to the pandemic.

Austria says waiters will no longer need to wear masks from 1 July. But Chancellor Sebastian Kurz warned people not to throw their masks away, as they would be needed in the future.

Author and poet Michael Rosen, 74, has been discharged from hospital in London, nearly three months after he was first admitted with suspected coronavirus.

Health authorities in Brazil have registered the second-highest daily death toll since the pandemic began.
The health ministry said on Tuesday that 1,374 deaths had been registered in the previous 24 hours.

New Zealand's government has come under fire after it was revealed that most people released early from the compulsory two-week quarantine on arrival were not tested before they were allowed to go.

Police in Nigeria have rescued more than 100 people they say were locked in a rice-processing factory and forced to work throughout a coronavirus lockdown.

Dozens of activists and students gathered peacefully in Bangkok early this morning to commemorate the 88th anniversary of the 1932 Siamese Revolution, which ended nearly 800 years of absolute monarchy, defying a ban on public gatherings amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Jimbuna

06-24-20, 05:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onrbF1dkaW0

Skybird

06-24-20, 07:16 AM

Martin Schröder is professor for sociology of economics and work at the Philipps University in Marburg. His research focuses on social inequality and ideas of justice, empirical gender research, capitalism variants and welfare regimes in international comparison, as well as the influence of moral arguments on economic activity.

When are we really satisfied? Marburg sociology professor Martin Schröder believes that the influence of the corona crisis on this issue is overestimated. Like so much more, by the way - at least that was shown in the evaluations of a long-term study.

FOCUS Online: Mr. Schröder, you wanted to know what makes people happy and have evaluated enormous amounts of data. How exactly can you imagine that?

Martin Schröder: The basis of my work is the so-called socio-economic panel, for which around 80,000 people have been interviewed in Germany since 1984 as part of annual surveys. At that time it was believed that it was important to keep asking the same people the same questions over and over again in order to get really meaningful results. Example unemployment: Here it is important not to focus only on groups of people who currently have no job. It is at least as exciting to take a look at how the same person is doing as long as he is in the job, when he becomes unemployed, and then again after he has returned to the job. My research work includes both: I do so-called group comparisons and I look at how the living conditions of the same person affect satisfaction over a longer period of time.

FOCUS Online: Have you already gained insights into the corona crisis in your evaluations?

Schröder: Unfortunately, the data are usually only available two years after the survey. But the German Institute for Economic Research, which currently has exclusive access to the data, has already had its first results. The data shows, for example, that concerns about one's own economic situation have largely remained the same. However, concerns about the general economic situation have risen sharply. The bottom line seems to show that general life satisfaction in Germany has not currently declined.

FOCUS Online: This is surprising. People are not more dissatisfied, even though we are experiencing the greatest crisis since the post-war period?

Schröder: Yes, and it can be explained by the fact that your own satisfaction is always compared to the outside world: around me, business goes broke, people get sick, maybe even die - then I don't feel that way in comparison bad. I used to meet my friends maybe five times a week, now we only sit together on weekends and then only when the weather is nice, because it would be too risky inside ... but that's actually not a big drama compared to the horror reports you get in listen to the media.

FOCUS Online: As long as you do not get Corona, you mean?

Schröder: According to the DIW survey, health concerns have absurdly decreased over the past few weeks. According to the motto: My knee hurts from time to time and I also have migraines sometimes, but as long as the virus is gone, everything is fine. In research, we speak of the reference standard. We use this to classify our own life satisfaction. In a way, everything in us seems to be designed to keep it stable. And as I said: Even in the current situation, we seem to be largely able to do this.

FOCUS Online: Has the lockdown less troubled people than predicted?

Schröder: It looks like it, yes. People are very adaptable. It can be seen that satisfaction levels have decreased among those who were depressed or lonely before the crisis. But it would be wrong to say that Corona makes you depressed or lonely overall. It is important to differentiate here. Possibly the said side view comes into play again: The neighbor, the buddies, everyone is sitting in the same boat. With everyone, the contacts are a bit on ice. So why should I complain? We just have to go through this together now - this feeling seems to compensate to some extent for the loss of social contacts.

FOCUS Online: Are social contacts perhaps generally overrated? Are there any findings from the long-term study?

Schröder: In fact, contacts are one of the most important factors for satisfaction. What is overrated is the importance of frequency. Simplified: Whether I meet friends once a month or three times a week, it makes no difference.

FOCUS Online: The main thing I feel fundamentally involved?

Schröder: Right. And here I found something interesting: Even in the years when people felt particularly strongly connected to Germany, the overall satisfaction points were comparatively high. Relevant phases were the turn, for example. But even if - quite banal - things happen that Germany wins in football, this has a positive effect on general satisfaction. AfD voters are happier - whoever wants to do something like this is wrong. That's not the point, not nationalism is the issue. It's a sense of community. Like now with Corona. The virus threatens us. And this threat welds us together as a community.

FOCUS Online: Were there things that particularly surprised you when evaluating the data?

Schröder: No matter how I calculated it: fathers seem to be happier when they work longer. With mothers, on the other hand, there seems to be no connection between life satisfaction and working hours. That amazed me. I was also very surprised by the importance of appearance. After the interviews, those who conducted the interview were asked: How good did the person you asked the questions look like? Those who were considered attractive by others turned out to be clearly more satisfied. Honestly: I personally would have much preferred to have been satisfied with things like a good character. But as a sociologist, I don't want to show the world how I would like it to be. But the way it is.

FOCUS Online: Can a kind of guide to a satisfied life be derived from the test results?

Schröder: In the sense of: Follow these three rules and then will it work with happiness? It is not that simple and there is nothing that is further from me than wanting to tell people how to live. You can't say: people, go out often, meet, party, then you're happy. That would be dubious. One can only say that social contact is important in itself. Exactly how this social contact is structured, whether you are married, have a large circle of friends or rather a few handpicked candidates, does not seem to matter. The only thing that we find really clear in terms of satisfaction was that little sleep goes hand in hand with fewer satisfaction points. Adequate sleep is something I now pay more attention to than I used to.

FOCUS Online: Do children make you happy?

Schröder: That was also absolutely surprising for me. In fact, I couldn't find any connection between children and my own satisfaction. Parents are no more unhappy than childless people. Again: Social contact is crucial. Whether it's the grandparents we spend time with, sons or daughters or good friends, that's secondary.

FOCUS Online: There were also surprising things when it came to leisure, wasn't it?

Schröder: Yes. Simplified: When we go to the theater, it seems more important to us to meet other people than to see an interesting play. Sport, art, going to concerts or clubs seems to make us happy above all, in so far as we meet other people.

FOCUS Online: But is not that a contradiction? On the one hand, social contacts are important and the real driving force behind many things. On the other hand, we seem to put up with the loss of social coexistence in the Corona crisis quite well. How does that fit together?

Schröder: This is where my work becomes exciting. Finally, I look at dozens of aspects, everyone has a certain influence and only all together explain satisfaction. For example, we know that people often evaluate events quite differently a few years later. For us Germans, 9/11 has not, as has been announced many times, become the epoch break. My personal assessment is that the predicted effects of the corona crisis will be dramatized and sometimes even exaggerated by the media. It's a general pattern that we think what's happening right now is totally important. In a few years we may say: Back then we just couldn't meet our friends for a while. It wasn't great, but we got on. I would go even further. I can well imagine that at some point we will come to a point where we say: the whole thing also had its good points.

FOCUS Online: To what extent will we be able to gain something positive from the corona crisis in the long term?

Schröder: As I said, satisfaction is not just about how life is de facto. But also how life is relative to the demands. It used to be normal to be able to meet your friends at any time. Then after a certain major stretch it became something special. It was special again to hug his friends again, to meet them carefree, without any ulterior motives. Maybe a bit like the first time you bite an apple after fasting. Will we value friendship differently in the future? I personally can imagine that. And in due course the evaluation of the long-term panel will surely provide us with some exciting insights.

Jimbuna

06-24-20, 10:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_he2G26RHGM

Jimbuna

06-24-20, 10:01 AM

The IMF says economic activity in 2020 is likely to decline by almost 5% - almost double the April prediction.

The UK economy may contract by 10% - but Italy, France and Spain will be worse off.

Globally there are now 9.2 million cases and almost 477,000 deaths.

More than 100,000 people have now died in Latin America.

Health experts are saying infection rates still have not peaked in many countries.

About half of US states are seeing a surge in new cases.

Jimbuna

06-24-20, 10:07 AM

A further 51 people have died in hospital in England after testing positive for coronavirus, or where Covid-19 was the direct or underlying cause, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England to 28,435, NHS England said.
Patients were aged between 48 and 96 years old and all had known underlying health conditions.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte is expected to announce a further relaxation of the coronavirus rules in the Netherlands later today.

The pilots of the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight that crashed last month, killing 97 people, were distracted by a conversation about Covid-19, a minister has said.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) had lowered its global growth forecast for this year and next in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic.

Here are some of the predictions:

UK: -10.2% this year; +6.3% in 2021
US: -8% this year; +4.8% in 2021
Italy and Spain: -12.8% each this year; +6.3% in 2021
Russia: -6.6% this year; +4.1% in 2021
China: +1% this year; +8.2% in 2021
India: -4.5% this year; +6% in 2021
Brazil: -9.1% this year; +3.6% in 2021

Russia is celebrating its biggest public holiday, Victory Day, with a military parade in Moscow that was meant to be held on 9 May.

Eurostar staff furloughed during the lockdown are helping London schools with online French lessons.

Bilge_Rat

06-24-20, 12:04 PM

Shocking, positively shocking!

Three in 10 Americans have broken quarantine to have sex, according to new research.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/shocking-number-of-americans-have-broken-quarantine-for-a-booty-call/

Catfish

06-24-20, 02:17 PM

Well as long as you keep your 1.5 m distance.. since Trump we all know how huuuuge US d!cks are :D

Onkel Neal

06-24-20, 06:12 PM

Things are headed in the wrong direction in the Lone Star State.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/tmc-2-week-projection-using-bed-occupancy-growth/

https://www.tmc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/h-TMC-2-week-projection-using-bed-occupancy-growth-NEW-6-24-2020.png

I'm all for keeping the state open and businesses running in most cases but ALSO wearing masks and using distancing as much as possible, and avoiding unnecessary meetings and gatherings. Texas are acting like this virus was blown out of proportion, it's all behind us. :shucks:

Jimbuna

06-25-20, 06:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-sFzcC-ic

Jimbuna

06-25-20, 06:02 AM

The Eiffel Tower in Paris reopens more than three months after France went into lockdown.

Social distancing remains at the famous landmark, and for the first week, the lifts will stay shut.

The Australian army is sending 1,000 army personnel to Victoria amid a surge in virus cases.

New York, New Jersey and Connecticut ask people arriving from nine other US states to quarantine for 14 days.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says global cases will soon reach 10 million.

The WHO says the pandemic has not yet reached its peak in Central and South America.

The International Monetary Fund has said the pandemic is a financial crisis "like no other"

The UK has begun human trials of a new potential coronavirus vaccine.

Skybird

06-25-20, 06:46 AM

On the situation in the US, and the apparently mutated strain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B-rk5VUcLo

The Trump gang has politicised a most important and natural, self-recommending measuremeant of health protection, it has turned wearing and not-wearing of masks into a political statement. By doing so, they will the death of many and the suffering of many more. For this crime alone they should be brought to court and locked away for life. There is a German expression, "jemand geht über Leichen" (direct translation is "somebody walks over dead bodies"). Well, Trump does that. Not just metaphorically, but literally.

What to do with the many stupids falling for this propaganda, I honestly do not know. They are a danger not just to themselves, but to all others. Well, in a way that answers in a way what should be considered as legal and morally right: to do what is needed to stop them from putting others willfully at risk. Because there is as much a ight to make others sick by infection like like there is a right to make others sick by putting poison in their coffee.

Skybird

06-25-20, 08:44 AM

Longer term issues. Now these are what is my main concern with this virus. Patients that get released from hospital, but are anything but "recovered", suffering from lasting health issues for months, maybe even years - needs to be seen, and as we know for some lung-related issues like fybrosis and capacity deficits at least: the rest of their lives. There is a reason I think why some weeks ago a statistics metaanalysis study from the Imperial College London claimed that if standardizing life expectancy after Covid 19 recovery and cleaning it from effects like high age at time of infection, health conditions that preexisted and so forth, men and women surviving a serious case of Covid 19 that saw them in need to get hospitalised, suffer a loss in life expectancy after Covid 19 "recovery" of 11 and 13 years. I would say that is pretty dramatic and very strongly relativses the meaning of "recovering".

By the last what I red about how likely your chance is to suffer a severe going of the disease in case you catch the virus (you be not asymptomatic then), when you catch the virus you must throw a six-sided die, fate leaves you no choice, that die is thrown, and you have roughly almost a chance equalling throwing a "6" that you will suffer a severe going. That is not comforting a chance, you are anything but untouchable. Comfort you can take from a chance below 1%, not from chances around 16% or higher.

So, this virus commands your respect. Dont be an idiot and just laugh and do not care, like so worrying many people now do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yg-5qnBrIM

Jimbuna

06-25-20, 01:44 PM

Europe sees its first increase in weekly coronavirus cases in months, according to the World Health Organisation.
The rise comes as countries continue to ease restrictions.

The WHO also says the pandemic has not yet reached its peak in Central and South America.

The UK government is finalising details of "travel corridors" so some arrivals will not need to quarantine.
Most of Western Europe is due to be on an initial list of exempt countries.

New York, New Jersey and Connecticut ask people arriving from nine other US states to quarantine for 14 days.

Skybird

06-25-20, 04:40 PM

Lissabon and the surrpounding wider region must go back into lockdown for at least two weeks, from July 1st on, the govenrment says. Some sity districts in the centre of the city are not affected. Well... if they say so...

The CDC in the US says that by its estimations probbaly tenb times as many peope got infected in the US as so far is being announced in numbers. So far the numbers say there have been 2.3 million infections and over 121,000 patients dead. In recent testings, younger age groups showed up to be more prominent than previously thought. - More than 1 million corona aid cheques have been sent to receivers that were already dead since some time. Try to not grin - German banks over a decade ago sent billions to Lehmann when it already had delcared bancruptcy. :D At least this virus seems to be an older strain then.

More food-producing factories in Germany report new clusters. Tönnies in Northrhine Wetsphalia counts over 1500 infections, after them followed a turkey farmer, and now a Döner factory.

Some days ago it was said that they now consider air conditioning systems to be a source of mass infections. I have not yet grabbed what they mean by saying "now". I mean they cannot have seriously not taken that into account already two and three and four months ago, right?

vienna

06-25-20, 06:38 PM

That Covid-19 testing slowdown Trump declared, you know, the one White House spokesholes say was just Trump joking around, well...

Trump Follows Through on Threat to ‘Slow the Testing Down’ --

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-follows-threat-slow-testing-163220493.html

Oh, that Trump such a jokester, such a scamp...

But hey, it was just a joke, just like its 'just the flu, bro'...

Do ya think making up silly names for a serious medical disaster is effective as a response?...

For Neal, this may pose a bit of a problem since Texas is one of the five states losing testing funding...

This article gives a great deal of detail of just how botched the White House Covid-19 response has been and its origins:

The Four Men Responsible For America’s COVID-19 Test Disaster --

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-admin-failed-disaster-995930/

The SS Trumptanic keeps a-hitting those 'bergs...

<O>

Mr Quatro

06-25-20, 08:05 PM

That Covid-19 testing slowdown Trump declared, you know, the one White House spokesholes say was just Trump joking around, well... Oh, that Trump such a jokester, such a scamp...

But hey, it was just a joke, just like its 'just the flu, bro'...

Do ya think making up silly names for a serious medical disaster is effective as a response?...

For Neal, this may pose a bit of a problem since Texas is one of the five states losing testing funding...The SS Trumptanic keeps a-hitting those 'bergs...
<O>

I thought we had a thump Trump thread I guess I was wrong :hmmm:

Why don't you start one vienna ... Then you could put all of your anti-Trump
thoughts in one place to say, "I told you so on election day" :wah:

vienna

06-25-20, 11:20 PM

Hey, I'm not the one forcing Trump to act like an idiot; he's doing that by hisself, quite well...

Trump has insisted on making the Covid-19 situation all about himself and himself only, so its just too bad when he catces heat for the things he does and says about the pandemic; if he or his Trumpettes don't like it and want to get their Pampers in a bunch, then, tough...

When Trump get his ponderous, idiot ass out of the way of those trying to actually deal with and solve the dilemma, then those who think the matter should be handled by people who actually know about pandemics and who actually care about people's lives, then he will be given the vast amount of disinterest and ignoring he deserves...

If you think he actually deserves any sort of high praise, then you, yourself may want to start a cheerleading thread for him, if you wish; might be a lonely thread... :03:

Trump keeps botching unnecessarily the handling of Covid-19, so expect there will be those who actually care more about the lives of US citizens and will object and speak up...

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Skybird

06-26-20, 02:48 AM

A doctor rejecting help to a very ill patient, would be sued fod charges of rejected help and - if it ends bad - charges for murder. If a president actively stops medical measurements againyt a national pandemic - its mass murder then. He will win the Bolsonaro achievement award 2020.

I only hope the media do not miss to play this story big style. Then I could not seriously imagine anymore that he could win next elections. At least as long as not most of population are suicidal idiots.

Myself, I hereby officially promote Trump to the rank of murderer. Until novembre, many citizen will suffer dearly and some of them will die who would not have n eeded to neither suffer or dying, but had to - because the monster in the white house wanted them to suffer and to die for his own personal interest.

vienna

06-26-20, 04:46 AM

Jimbuna

06-26-20, 04:46 AM

I'm struggling to come to terms with the rubbish being left behind on our local coastline/beaches and parks etc. Surely this is being done on purpose because it looks like a great many are doing it.

Jimbuna

06-26-20, 04:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg5E0c5YIGE

Skybird

06-26-20, 04:53 AM

Several US states halt reopenings due to soaring infeciton numbers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-53188289

Trump will not get through with his latest stunt to artifically reduce tests so that smaller numbers are reported. He must not be allowed to get through with it.

Skybird

06-26-20, 05:05 AM

Making snide nicknames for a very real, and deadly, disease just to amuse one's followers is not a sign of good leadership; nor is denying the existence of grave and deadly problems just because it affects one's "numbers" adversely; over 2.48 million confirmed cases, over 126 thousands deaths, and an alarming spike in new cases in the US in the last couple of weeks is not a joke and the response should not be a joke either...

Its not just the White House who shoulders the blame for the unforgivably poor response to the severity of the Covid-19 pandemic; state, county, and municipal authorities who have flouted the call for appropriate countermeasures or who have allowed political pressure to cause them to make very poor, high risk, judgements also hold responsibility; it is no coincidence cities, counties, or states that opted to rush to reopen are now seeing alarming spikes in new cases; here in SoCal, Orange County gave in to the Far-Right nagging, whining, and belligerence about reopening (using the same feeble, nonsensical 'arguments' heard on the national level) and started to reopen a bit over a week ago, in spite of the fact reported new cases had been on the rise; the upswing is yesterday, 25 Jun saw the largest single day rise since the beginning of the pandemic; the situation in Orange County even included the resignation of the County's Chief Public Health Officer due to an unusual number of death threats against her by those opposed to a mandatory face mask order she issued; the fact the County government was too cowed to give her adequate backing is a shame upon them an I hope the voters of the County will remember their names on election day and take appropriate action...

I mentioned it some weeks ago already. In the uS everything seems to be taken as a competition, and Americnas seem to love to compete, but take every such competition as a life-or-death affair: the winner must take it all, the looser must etenerally, totally, completely fall. Such an life style or attotud eon life might have its reword in constructive, economic contextxs or sports, but in heated poltics like that torn apart states of America with that ammount of polarization already present, even life-or-death issues gets politicised beyond repair and get turned into anothe rmerciless competion for penultimate total domiance, and the looser has to fall into the deepest of all abysses.

Its a bit like with auto-immune diseases (which often ultimately do kill you, mind you). The immune system drives its fangs and claws into an identified enemy and gets so ferocious that it stops discriminating between friend and foe cells, but even turns against itself.The fighting must go on, for the sake of the fight.

The fanaticised basic posture of the two sides i american poltics, the behaviour of their believers, their unforgiving atttude and their uncompormised determination to not accept comprmise and comign toegther and instea dfocus on keeping the competing at maximum, remind of two sects.

What it does not remind of, not at all, is the mindset and spirit of the American founding papers.

Like an auto-immune disease means the immuen systemt urns against itself and the body, America suffers from auto competing syndrome, and competes with itself to political self destruction. Trump is not the casue of this, he is just the latest - but most prominent - symptom. The process itself already runs since I would say the change from Carter to Reagan at the latest.

Onkel Neal

06-26-20, 06:25 AM

Skybird

06-26-20, 07:10 AM

^ The pandemic and the behavioural change and attitude towards it have been so drastically politicised that now it is impossible to discriminate between pandemic and politics if mentioning either Trump or Covid-19 in the US. Me too sometimes does not know wether to pick the US politics or the Wuhan virus thread.

Skybird

06-26-20, 07:35 AM

The graohs on daily infeciton rates shows that severlam countries have started to slip back into the poo again. Brazil , the US, India to mention, but there is a general trend in amny more, in Europe and Chole and others.

Note that the following is a LOGARITHMIC scale on the vertical axis.

https://i.postimg.cc/XvQS3Z6f/1covid.png (https://postimg.cc/Y4GyzC90)

The same data, this time with a LINEAR scale on the vertical axis.

https://i.postimg.cc/kgCWPGcX/2covid.png (https://postimg.cc/fJHVxwp6)

Jimbuna

06-26-20, 08:50 AM

Police and government warn they will clamp down if mass gatherings continue in UK's hot summer weather.

"Huge sense of pent-up frustration" among British public after lockdown, WHO special envoy says.

US records all-time daily high of 40,000 infections on Thursday, figures from Johns Hopkins University show.

Texas and Florida are among states to pause reopening plans.

20 million people in the US may actually have been infected, almost 10 times the recorded number, health officials warn.

Intu, company which owns the Trafford Centre in Manchester and 16 other UK shopping centres, has gone into administration.

Mexico has now recorded 25,000 deaths and 200,000 cases of the new coronavirus.

The number of cases worldwide stands at 9.6 million with more than 490,000 deaths - Johns Hopkins.

Jimbuna

06-26-20, 09:03 AM

Scotland is "not far away" from eliminating coronavirus, the country's first minister has predicted.

Deaths in Northern Ireland from coronavirus have fallen for the seven week running, official figures show.
Up to 19 June, a total of 816 people died with Covid-19 mentioned on their death certificate, the NI Statistics and Research Agency said.

Intu, which owns the Trafford Centre in Greater Manchester and Lakeside in Essex along with 18 other shopping centres, had until midnight to secure a new deal over its £4.5bn debt burden.
It has now gone into administration under auditors KPMG after it said “insufficient alignment and agreement has been achieved”.

President Vladimir Putin has said the number of cases in Russia is decreasing, as official figures show daily infections falling below 7,000 for the first time in two months.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has urged people to recognise the ongoing risks from coronavirus, as lockdown measures are increasingly eased.
"It's crucial that people understand that on 4 July we get this right - we do this in a balanced way and we recognise the risks," the PM said, while visiting a restaurant in east London on Friday.

Texas, which has been at the forefront of moves to end lockdown measures in the US, has seen thousands of new cases, prompting Governor Greg Abbott to call a temporary halt to its reopening.
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis said he did not have plans to move the state to the next phase of reopening - some southern and western states reported record numbers of cases in recent days.

Sweden's state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, rejected a warning from the World Health Organization that included Sweden among countries in Europe at risk of a Covid-19 resurgence, saying it was a "total misinterpretation of the data" by the health body.

Police in Kenya killed three people when a crowd of motorcycle taxi drivers protested against the arrest of a colleague for ignoring coronavirus restrictions.

Supermarket chains in Australia are reimposing purchase limits on toilet paper and other essential household items following a spike in coronavirus cases in the state of Victoria.

Mr Quatro

06-26-20, 10:44 AM

20 million people in the US may actually have been infected, almost 10 times the recorded number, health officials warn.

I heard that this figure came from testing people for anti-bodies that may of had the virus and no longer have the virus and then mathematicaly figuring out how many people could be included in the total assumption.

In other words there may be huge bomb shell surge coming to America by next flu season. I love football, but can you imagine how many fans could spread THE virus to other fans and then they go home and go back to work the next day.

Cancellation of NFL football in 2020 is a very real possibility :yep:

Platapus

06-26-20, 11:37 AM

*COVID-19 ALERT: Fraudulent Facemask Flyers*

https://www.ada.gov/covid-19_flyer_alert.html

The Department of Justice has been made aware of postings or flyers on the internet regarding the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and the use of face masks due to the COVID-19 pandemic, many of which include the Department of Justice’s seal.
These postings were not issued by the Department and are not endorsed by the Department.
The Department urges the public not to rely on the information contained in these postings and to visit ADA.gov for ADA information issued by the Department.Evidently there is a group calling themselves the Freedom to Breathe Agency posting these fake ADA cards so that people can circumvent mask regulations.

Crikey, just wear a mask.

https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_26/1584477/face-mask-exempt-card-kb-main-200625_c9d86fafbadb989707ccae847af094f3.social_sha re_1200x630_center.jpg

There ain't no Freedom to Breathe Agency in the US government

Buddahaid

06-26-20, 11:51 AM

Should be FTSDA. Freedom to Spread Diseases Agency.

Skybird

06-26-20, 12:20 PM

Freedom fries. Freedom gas. Freedom to breathe...

Pathos forms traditions.

Jimbuna

06-26-20, 12:58 PM

US Vice-President Mike Pence is hosting the first coronavirus briefing in nearly two months.

He says the US "flattened the curve" while admitting cases are rising in 16 states.

Florida sets another new record for daily coronavirus cases, reporting nearly 9,000 new infections.

Another hard-hit state, Texas, orders bars closed amid a surge in cases.

UK police and government warn they will clamp down if mass gatherings continue in hot summer weather.

mapuc

06-26-20, 02:34 PM

So Corona is on the rise again in Europe due to countries slowly going back to normal situation-slowly opening up.

This makes me wonder-If this R0 should go sky high again, will we witness a lock down harder than we have had before ?

Markus

em2nought

06-26-20, 02:43 PM

Change my mind: Total covid-19 deaths should be roughly the total increase above averages of deaths from all normal causes for the given months? Taking into account that there might be less highway fatalities and also taking into account that there might be more deaths from other causes due to lack of treatment during the covid-19 time period?

Are there figures for that anywhere? :hmmm:

em2nought

06-26-20, 02:55 PM

The Trump gang has politicised a most important and natural, self-recommending measuremeant of health protection, it has turned wearing and not-wearing of masks into a political statement. By doing so, they will the death of many and the suffering of many more. For this crime alone they should be brought to court and locked away for life.

I wear the surgical masks. I thought you believed only in a higher level of PPE and that those lesser masks, such as the surgical mask, were basically worthless? :hmmm:

Onkel Neal

06-26-20, 03:25 PM

Texas and Florida are among states to pause reopening plans.
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Gov. Greg Abbott orders Texas bars to close again and restaurants to reduce to 50% occupancy as coronavirus spreads
https://www.chron.com/coronavirus/article/Houston-coronavirus-updates-What-you-need-to-15368473.php

Gov. Greg Abbott on Friday took his most drastic action yet to respond to the post-reopening coronavirus surge in Texas, shutting bars back down and scaling back restaurant capacity to 50%.

He also shut down river-rafting trips, which have been blamed for a swift rise in cases in Hays County, and banned outdoor gatherings of over 100 people unless local officials approve.

“At this time, it is clear that the rise in cases is largely driven by certain types of activities, including Texans congregating in bars," Abbott said in a news release. "The actions in this executive order are essential to our mission to swiftly contain this virus and protect public health."

https://www.readyharris.org/portals/60/Images/COVID%20Alert%20System/COVID-Meter-SEVERE-01.png

Damn, I was just about ready to get my hair cut.

August

06-26-20, 04:17 PM

Damn, I was just about ready to get my hair cut.

Too many confusing colors and degrees. They made the same mistake after 911. You should adopt the simplicity of the Ron White danger scale.

https://i.imgur.com/ZV8oRKQ.jpg

Skybird

06-26-20, 04:21 PM

I wear the surgical masks. I thought you believed only in a higher level of PPE and that those lesser masks, such as the surgical mask, were basically worthless? :hmmm:
I do not just "believe" it, some things we simply do know for sure becasue it was anaylsed in laboratories. ;)

You are right, however. AFAI am aware of the current scientific consesus (that excludes the Trump people automatically), surgical masks have the benfit of breaking the stream of air when you breathe out. Already a hand held before the face does that, though is less efficient. You nevertheless create aerosoles, its just that the initial output stream does not flash as fast into the room before you with such a mask. Aerosoles stay in the air for hours, however, and slowly expand in clouds . Surgical masks offer mild protection for yourself, the tissue layers are not made to catch all virus, and the masks often do not fit perfectly and the person breathes in some unfiltered air from gaps at the rim of these masks. These masks are meant to protect patients from the doctor habndling them. However some study from i think Hongkong found them to be slightly more protective than was previously assumed, and they are most likely also better than just a cotton cloth mask that was nitted at home. However, I would not enter a shop with these. I have them, but consider them only if I need to pass through an area where there are many people on the street, but it is in free space, outside. NEVER IN SHOPS. So far I had not needed them at all since I avoid such situations alltogether. I bought them for 30 Euros per 100 pieces maybe 6-7 weeks ago.

FFP2 and 3 masks equal KN95 masks, offering comparable protection against virus if correctly worn . The tested filtering capacity should be 95% and 99+% for FFP2 and FFP3, means only one in twenty and one in a hundred virusses passes through the mask, with anglosaxon KN95 norm I think combining these two European standards into one. FFP3 has an increased breathing resistance, and now, in summer, and sweating face skin, I would not recommend to use them, its no fun, really, the breath gets wet within 3 minutes and it feels as if you are breathing extremely wet mist. I prefer FFP2 in summer. But these masks are the ones that offer you best protection for yourself IF WORN CORRECTLY. I prefer them to NOT have valves, because then my exhale gets not filtered when I breath out, and that obviously is not nice for the others. The virus cannot multiply in these masks and will simply deactivate if you hang them up after use for some time, I expect them to be gone after 3 days (thats the maximum survivability for Covid 19 virusses we know so far, and on paper they found it to last even just a third of that time at max), but bacteria can that you breath out, thats why these masks should be carefully stored in dry air, not, as they always recommend, in sealed tight bags, that cannot be true! Moisture, sealed bags, and bacteria thrown together? No good idea. When I leave a shop and drive home, I hang it on my belt so that it dries in the wind. I use a mask once, then hang it away for three days before using it again. Every 4-5 uses, I bake it at around 75° for half an hour. After 3-4 oven treatments I throw it away. So I get 12-20 uses out of one mask. They are available in Germany now, though almost exclusively only via internet. costa are varying from 1,50-2,80 per item. I use to buy them when I find them for 15 Euros per 10 pieces. Its still more expensive than before Corona, but acceptable. The producer of the latest pack I got writes on the box the masks are meant for repeated are can be used for a total of 36 hours, without giving any further details.

Self made cotton maks do not offer reliable virus protection , they maybe reduce the virus load if you inhale a virus load, but due to the lack of any virus-filtering layer they cannot be too good at that. They break the air stream if exhaling, which is a polite thing to do. But I see them mostly as alibi, and do not consider them seriously in any situation.

Transparent faceshields that some people wear instead of masks, offer zero protection against aerosoles - full stop. Any further discussion can stop here, its misleading. They simply should not be used, or only in combination with an additional mask, then they can serve as exe protection at least, though tight-fitting lab glasses are again the better choice.

All this is more or less known since many years already, is no magic, and sitting down and spending a minute of thougth on the problem can lead a reasonable person to similiar conclusions. I do not understand why the media and politicians make such an endlessly diverse topic for debate of it. If you want to switch on the room light - do you push the button or not? :hmmm: Does anyone debate on this? No. Everybody just pushes the button, and nobody considers to make a show act of it.

Serious, btw, if the numbers go up again, people are sweating, ventilation is running, protective glasses inside shops are no unreasonable idea. The virus can enter via the mucosa in 1. the jaw (mostly it goes this way), 2. the nose (second choice) and - 3. the eyes. Breaking aerosole air streams to the eyes or preventing your playing fingers to touch your eyes, is no bad idea. In social situations where the risk must be assumed to be signficant, I would always consider glasses, and have used them over my regular glasses in the past. Currently not - officially we have just 4 known hospitalized cases in my hometown currently. City of Münster currently is quite safe. But in the bordering district to our east they have all puppets dancing, just 30 minutes on bicycle away there is a hotspot, and the people there come to Münster for shopping. They come from far away as Holland to go shopping here, we are close to the Dutch border. Some further to the East there is the current ground zero of Corona in Germany, Tönnies facvtory. 1500 infected personnell, hooray.

Skybird

06-26-20, 04:41 PM

Skybird

06-26-20, 07:02 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/texas-border-county-had-coronavirus-under-control-then-governor-stepped-n1232267

Onkel Neal

06-26-20, 10:18 PM

Too many confusing colors and degrees. They made the same mistake after 911. You should adopt the simplicity of the Ron White danger scale.

https://i.imgur.com/ZV8oRKQ.jpg

4 colors is too confusing? Traffic lights have 3.... :ping:

But I do like your alternative ;)

Jimbuna

06-27-20, 04:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k40AeKK5Lk

Jimbuna

06-27-20, 04:34 AM

Health experts in the US call for urgent action after a record number of new cases were recorded on Friday.

Top infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci says there is "a serious problem" - but Vice-President Mike Pence hails "progress"

The US has more than 2.4 million confirmed infections and at least 125,000 people have died - more than any other country.

Meanwhile, the number of reported cases in India has surged to more than 500,000

Restrictions on some non-essential overseas travel will be relaxed in the UK from 6 July.

More than 9.8 cases and 494,000 deaths worldwide - Johns Hopkins University.

em2nought

06-27-20, 08:31 AM

This is a few months old, but it's the kind of information comparing death rates from various causes that I haven't been seeing anywhere so it's interesting https://www.businessinsider.com/chart-us-weekly-coronavirus-deaths-compared-heart-disease-cancer-flu-2020-4?op=1

I'd like to see an update. I'd also like to see current year stats for those other causes of death. If there are zero deaths from cancer this year then something's rotten in Denmark.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/09/its-difficult-to-grasp-the-projected-deaths-from-covid-19-heres-how-they-compare-to-other-causes-of-death/

This states that regularly approximately 8,000 people die per day in the USA from all causes so whatever number more than 8,000 or so should be attributable to covid-19.

USA death clock
https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states

If you go by their data the average deaths per day in the USA from covid-19 since Jan 1st would be around 750, but few occurred in the first months. This would mean that there should be approximately 8,750 people on average dying each day in the USA from all causes for 2020 as opposed to just 8,000 in 2018 and 2019

Jimbuna

06-27-20, 11:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8-6ql1iTsY

vienna

06-27-20, 03:28 PM

@Neal:

What's the deal with the Texas Lt. Governor? It seems there's some sort of disconnect between Lt. Gov. Patrick and Gov. Abboott over the state of Covid-19 conditions in TX; I seem to recall there is/was some sort of TX state constitutional situation that gave the Lt Gov some sort of powers over the office of Gov; is this still in effect and, if so, how will it affect the ability of TX state government to protect their citizens? Just curious, since it is rather unusual to see a Gov and Lt Gov at such odds, particularly when they are from the same party... :hmmm:

Meanwhile, another 'Karen' meltdown over face masks recently took place here in LA and has gotten national attention:

Unhinged Karen Escorted Out Of Trader Joe’s For Not Wearing A Mask --

https://www.scarymommy.com/trader-joes-karen-mask/

This is the raw footage of the above incident; the persons in the Hawai'ian shirts are Trader Joe's employees...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbgEQ-6NMFA

It seems her "breathing problem" has little to no effect on her ability to shout and scream..

This guy gives a pretty good analysis of the "Karen" video and the subject of wearing masks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmih6yVw0hw

I was particularly was amused by this in the above video's comment section: "Karen-a-virus is spiking."...

This caught my attention and it is really shocking to see just how badly conditions seem to be in Russia when it comes to fighting Covid-19 and the struggles of medical staff to cope with the adversities...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLkSJ5CR6Wg

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Skybird

06-27-20, 04:25 PM

For a woman "with breathing problem" she yells surprisingly loud and enthusiastically and enduring. Well, stupid is who does stupid things.

BTW, there are online supermarkets with home delivery services. Even in Germany - so how much more do I expect them to exist in the US!

However, more and more these antisocial people refusing to protect others from the risk of getting infected by themselves more and more often turn aggressive, even violent over here. Itsd not generally on the same aggression olevel everywhere, but depends on where you are. In Berlin for example I read in the city's local press that situations when people tell unmasked people in busses and subways to wear a mask, escalate pretty often and quickly now. And its always the unmasked people turning aggressive.

Reckless, anti-social. There is no freedom to injure, expose to harm, infect others. There is no such right. That would be like claiming a right to put rat poison into somebody's coffee and see whether he gets ill or not. The guy in the second vidoe has it right: "[Wearing a mask] is not a big deal. It is a big deal not to wear one."

Found this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KzbPOnKJvI
Take note of the comments. Some grim oneliners there that are worth pure gold.

Skybird

06-27-20, 05:02 PM

I just read a newsflash saying that all ICUs in Arizona now are blocked, and over 90% of all ICUs in Florida. Consider that they have boosted the capacities already as much as they could in the time until here.

The US now is at the beginning of where Italy was.

Data suggests that most infections currently are in the age group teenage years to mid-40s. Also, now rural places attract many, many infections. Both is against the canon of "its only the older ones getting hit", its only in the metropoles".

In Israel, they have a similiar problem now. The younger ones get infected massively, in a second wave, they thought they were out of it, since Israel was amongst the global best performers in fighting off the first wave. Now they struggle, and schools were locked down again, since it showed that they were highly active infection hotspots. Likew the US, they reopened again too early.

skidman

06-27-20, 05:09 PM

^I hope you are not right, cause if you are right there's dark dark times ahead for the US.

Skybird

06-27-20, 05:19 PM

I wish it were not true. But truth beign told, I saw it coming, and it was not difficult for anyone to see it coming - if only he allowed his eyes to open and do their job of simply watching.

BTW, I just parrot here what I get from the media, it are not my conclusions nor findings.

Germany could end up like Israel and the US, too, if we are not disciplined anymore. Correction: we WILL end up like them for sure if we do not maintain discipline.

Skybird

06-27-20, 05:34 PM

I never had the smallest trust for Pence, but in recent days and weeks I have started to think of him as a certain Comical Ali alias Badghadi Bob.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/26/coronavirus-task-force-briefing-pence-gupta-bts-crn-vpx.cnn

Jimbuna

06-28-20, 04:43 AM

The US states of Florida and Texas have reinstated curbs on bars to battle a surge in infections.

America has recorded around 2.5 million cases and at least 125,000 deaths.

UK travel companies say holiday bookings have "exploded" on news that restrictions are being eased.

Delhi is now India's worst-hit area, with about 73,000 recorded cases and at least 2,500 deaths.

The head of the European Commission has warned no country will escape the pandemic until it has been ended everywhere.

Globally, the number of infections now stands at 9.98m, and more than 498,000 people have died - Johns Hopkins University.

Jimbuna

06-28-20, 04:46 AM

The number of cases is set to pass 10 million shortly with nearly 500,000 Covid-19 deaths, figures by Johns Hopkins University suggest.

In the US - where about one in four of the world’s cases have been recorded - several states including Florida and Texas are reintroducing restrictions amid record numbers of new infections.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has begun to outline plans to kickstart the country’s economic recovery, pledging that the country will “absolutely not be going back to the austerity of 10 years ago"

More illegal street parties have been broken up by police during another night of unlawful gatherings in London. It follows violent clashes last week when officers broke up similar events elsewhere in the capital.

Skybird

06-28-20, 05:13 AM

The state of Bavaria offers free tests to just everybody now, symptomatic or not. I could imagine that this becomes a "service" nationwide. Whether it makes sense that then everybody runs to get one, is something different, I think one could still practice some reaosn and check the need for a test against one'S own life style and exposition risks. My own such analysis for exmaple would be that I am very, very low in risk since I live very much in retreat, and so I am not in a hurry to get tested. If I still would work and spend 8 hours a day amongst hundreds of ever new people, I would consider the risk to be high.

But people who are in doubt or want to be safe, then could get tested, and I see nothing speaking against it.

However, a clean result (no infection, no anti-bodies) is of little durability only. Theoretically you would need to get tested every day. And those who have antibodies already: its still not clear how long immunity lasts and whether or not it provides immunity against mutated forms as well.

vienna

06-28-20, 05:40 AM

The City of Los Angeles started making free Covid-19 tests available to all, with symptoms or not, and City residents or not, rather early on in the pandemic and was followed, in short order, with Los Angeles County making the tests available countywide. The State of California government has been working on doing the same statewide, but has met with resistance from some of the counties who wish to retain a semblance of autonomy in dealing with the pandemic; not too oddly, not a few of the resisting counties and cities are now finding themselves facing the current spike more severely than the counties/cities that enabled widespread testing early on like LA City/County...

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Jimbuna

06-28-20, 08:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdYYGQXXn8

Jimbuna

06-28-20, 08:27 AM

In France, voters wearing mandatory face masks headed to the polls for the final round of local elections. But turnout has been low, with some 15% of voters in Paris casting their ballots by midday today. The vote was delayed in March because of the pandemic.

Meanwhile, an outbreak at a meat factory in the German city of Gütersloh has officials worried. More than 2,000 people have contracted Covid-19 in the area, and now officials say cases are rising among people who have no connection to the factory.

The Greek island of Kos will host dozens of German doctors for free from Monday. The tourism ministry said it was "in recognition and gratitude for their contribution in combating the coronavirus"

The Czech Republic has registered a steep increase in the number of people infected with the virus. There were 260 new cases on Saturday, the highest figure in weeks.

Iran - the country worst hit by coronavirus in the Middle East - is making the wearing of masks mandatory from next Sunday.

China has imposed a strict lockdown near Beijing in an effort to contain a fresh outbreak. Nearly half a million people will be barred from travelling in and out of Anxin county.

South Korea confirmed dozens more cases over the past 24 hours, as it struggles to contain a string of new clusters. There has been a spike in cases since the country relaxed social distancing rules last month.

Meanwhile in Japan, Tokyo reported 60 new infections on Sunday. That's its highest daily total since it lifted a state of emergency last month.

In India, Delhi is now the country's worst-hit area with about 73,000 recorded cases. Lax contact tracing, excessive bureaucracy and political wrangles have all led to a surge in numbers.

Jimbuna

06-28-20, 01:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmy3Urxr0C0

mapuc

06-28-20, 05:06 PM

This is the first time I have seen this story, which I would call a conspiracy

"
A CV-19 VACCINE WILL CHANGE YOUR DNA

It’s all part of their plan.

Pay attention!!
"A disturbing warning letter from German naturopath Anette Lillinger to all of her patients inquiring about the upcoming coronavirus vaccine.
"For all my patients:
I would like to urgently draw your attention to important questions concerning a forthcoming Covid-19 vaccination:
Due to the new mode of action of the future coronavirus vaccine, such cure successes will no longer be possible in the future. For the first time in the history of vaccination, the so-called latest generation mRNA vaccines intervene directly in the patient's genetic material and thus change the individual genetic material, which represents genetic manipulation - something that has been banned , even considered criminal so far.
This intervention can be compared to that of genetically manipulated foods, which is also very controversial.
Even if the media and politicians currently trivialize the issue and even call without thinking about a new type of vaccination in order to return to normalcy, such vaccination is problematic in terms of health, morals and ethics and also in terms genetic damage which, unlike damage caused by previous vaccinations, will now be irreversible and irreparable.
Dear patients, after such an unprecedented vaccination against mRNA, you will no longer be able to cure the symptoms of vaccination in a complementary manner.
You will have to live with the consequences, because they can no longer be cured simply by eliminating toxins from the human body, just as you cannot cure a person with a genetic defect such as Down's syndrome or 21, Klinefelter syndrome, Turner's syndrome, genetics heart disease, hemophilia, cystic fibrosis, Rett syndrome, etc.), because the genetic defect is once and for all present!
Clearly, this means: if you develop a symptom of vaccination after a vaccination with mRNA, neither I nor any other therapist can help you in a causal way, because the damage caused by the vaccination will be genetically irreversible.
In my opinion, these new vaccines represent a crime against humanity that has never been committed in such a broad form in history.
As Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, an experienced doctor, said yesterday:
In reality, this "promising vaccine" for the vast majority of people is in fact prohibited genetic manipulation!"

Thanks to Caveat Emptor and Anjaliva Petersen for sharing!
"
I'm very suspicious when I read something like that and the first I do is to search for some kind of truth in this.

And I found it

A Covid-19 vaccine will cause “irreversible genetic damage” to the human body, according to a message quoting “German naturopath Anette Lillinger” that’s been widely shared on Facebook. One version claims it would be a “crime against humanity”.

https://africacheck.org/fbcheck/no-mrna-candidate-vaccine-for-covid-19-doesnt-cause-irreversible-genetic-damage/

Markus

Skybird

06-28-20, 05:26 PM

^ Anette Lillinger? Here she is: https://lillinger.aquion.de/ Sells energetized "Aquion" super-dooper-wonder-water, sorry, aqua. Oh, I just saw it also has a seal: eco-ethical water. Wowh, now I am impressed.

Stupids like these who spread fear of vaccines, do so much damage: measels, for exmaple, are on the march again. Polio. Pests that werew considered to be defeated, come back. There are (or better: there can be) risks involved in vaccination, but not for stupid explanations as given by Lillinger. The problem that some virologists already saw in february with corona virusses, seems to compare to a problem known from Dengue fever: a vaccination against it can lead to antibodies that cause a paradoxical effect - and even reinforce the efficiency of the attacking virus. Soime seaosnal flu shots are under suspicion to also suffer form this. This is seen by some as an explanation why some people attract so severe symptoms of Covid-19: maybe they had contact with other corona virusses before, formed antibodies against these Coronas, and when they got hit my this new Corona virus named Covid19, their antibodies worked this paradoxically like can happen with Dengue shots. If that is true, it could delay the development of a vaccine tremendously, maybe even prevent the development of a really safe vaccine.

Back to Lillinger, the water fairy. One quesiton to her should be this: what about the irreparable damage to the lungs (as just one exmaple)? When all this began, I red a comment by a doctor who did autopsies and who said the lungs were not to be recognised as lungs anymore. The quote by him stuck to my mind: "Es sah aus als wäre ein Küchenzauberstab in den Torso gefallen." (It looked as if a kitchen magical wand had fallen into the torso) With Küchenzauberstab, kitchen magical wand, he referred to a Swiss brand (ESGE) that produces these items, once they were called "Zaubertstab" over here in advertisment:

https://www.unold.de/pub/media/catalog/product/n/_/n_2_2_6.jpg

The doctor apparently referred to something like a late cellular (thus bloody) collapsing of lung tissue after it had formed scarred fibrosis. Fibrosis are the main reason why surviving patients often suffer from signficant lung capacity deficits. They are irreparable.

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em2nought

06-28-20, 11:53 PM

Here's some interesting data on weekly deaths each year 2020 as compared to previous years. Data is UK centric

https://fullfact.org/health/ons-2020-covid-death-totals/

Skybird

06-29-20, 04:55 AM

Finally some plain common sense articulated on a small but important detail that I mentioned repeatedly. Its the first time ever that I read this being mentioned in a German, British or American media source, that selection of media at least that I usually monitor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/why-simple-cloth-masks-without-valves-are-better-at-fighting-the-spread-of-covid-19/2020/06/26/c445fca6-b574-11ea-aca5-ebb63d27e1ff_story.html

Jimbuna

06-29-20, 05:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LCRBqmQxv0

Jimbuna

06-29-20, 05:19 AM

The number of people to die with Covid-19 worldwide passes half a million.

Since the outbreak began, there have been more than 10 million cases.

With cases rising in 30 US states, the Texas governor speaks of "swift and dangerous turn"

New York state - once the epicentre - records its lowest death toll - five - since 15 March.

In the UK, school pupils return in Wales, while more shops reopen in Scotland.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson says he is "concerned" about a rise in coronavirus cases in Leicester.

In Hebei province, China, more than 400,000 people are under a new, strict lockdown.

Jimbuna

06-29-20, 05:23 AM

More than 501,000 people have died after contracting coronavirus, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University in the US. Here are 10 countries reporting the highest number of deaths:

United States: 125,803
Brazil: 57,622
United Kingdom: 43,634
Italy: 34,738
France: 29,781
Spain: 28,343
Mexico: 26,648
India: 16,475
Iran: 10,508
Belgium: 9,732

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53216079

Skybird

06-29-20, 05:48 AM

A new study by the university of Oxford lists countries that are especially at risk to suffer a second wave. I do not care whether it is a second wave or a lasting, neverending one wave that fluctuates in amplitude over time, what it all means is: it will still be a long time before the fat lady maybe considers to start singing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/jun/25/revealed-data-shows-10-countries-risking-coronavirus-second-wave-as-lockdown-relaxed

Dowly

06-29-20, 06:00 AM

@em2nought: The CDC has a page that shows excess deaths from Covid-19 in the US
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Eichhörnchen

06-29-20, 11:52 AM

Since Covid-19 testing is taking so long, could I not get my mother-in-law's pooch trained as one of these sniffer dogs? Then I could open a booth in town where (for just a quid) people could walk through and the dog could smell their bc and then bark once for "Yes" and twice for "No"... gold mine!

Jimbuna

06-29-20, 01:18 PM

The head of the World Health Organization has warned that the coronavirus pandemic is not even close to being over.

It has now been six months since the first cases of a mysterious pneumonia-like illness were reported in Wuhan, China.

At the time it was feared that we would see a repeat of the Sars outbreak of 2002 to 2004, which killed 774 people.

Now, with more than 500,000 people dead and more than 10 million confirmed cases worldwide, WHO director-general Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has said this is "a moment for all of us to reflect".

But, he warned, the "worst is yet to come" - adding that "with this kind of environment and conditions, we fear the worst".

Despite progress in some countries, he said the pandemic was speeding up and the world would need even greater stores of resilience, patience and generosity in the months ahead.

"Six months ago, none of us could have imagined how our world - and our lives - would be thrown into turmoil by this new virus," Dr Tedros told the WHO press conference.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53216079

em2nought

06-29-20, 03:02 PM

@em2nought: The CDC has a page that shows excess deaths from Covid-19 in the US
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Thanks! :salute:

Jimbuna

06-30-20, 04:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3mqU8cVtc4

Jimbuna

06-30-20, 04:15 AM

As cases soar in the US, more states decide to halt easing lockdown measures.

Arizona abruptly reverses course on reopening its economy as coronavirus cases spike there and nationwide.

With July 4 celebrations approaching, Texas and parts of California also direct bars to close again.

Stricter lockdown measures have been announced in the British city of Leicester because of a rise in cases.

The EU names 14 countries whose citizens can enter from 1 July, but the US, Brazil and China are excluded.

A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China.

Globally there are 10.2m cases and there have been more than 504,000 virus-linked deaths.

Platapus

06-30-20, 06:16 AM

The early opening up was an experiment. We now have data that other governors can use to make their decisions.

Skybird

06-30-20, 07:14 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/world/europe/coronavirus-spread-asymptomatic.html?referringSource=articleShare

Too imagine that hairsplitting academic theoretizising made so many medical experts forget the small 101 of battling unknown virological pandemics, air control/cleaning, and environment hygienics. I wll never forget - or forgive - that. Fachidioten. One must not study medicine to use some reasonable thinking and come to the conclusions - wash hands, exchange air, let plenty of fresh air flow to keep virus load in the air low (HEPA filter systems or open windows, according to the virus), maintain proper environment hygienics - that not before months later started to get sold as the big revelations for how to contain the virus.

WHO, CDC, RKI, and many more: they all have made fools of themselves. We are talking about the small 101 of hygienics and virus control. No magical, brandnew rocket science stuff at all.

The big institutions and their managed infrastructure have failed on a systemtic level.

Skybird

06-30-20, 02:07 PM

Another trial for a medical drug against Covid-.19 has ended without popsiotive effect. British study project Recovery has found no positive effect of giving a combination of anti-AIDs drugs Lopinavir-Ritonavir. :roll: They admit the number of patients was relatively small, but still the clinical trtial has brought to an end.

"Recovery" is the study project that earlier found that Hydroxychloroquine has no effect and Dexamethason reduces mortality of ventilated serious cases.

Dr. Fauci warns that he would not be surprised to see the number of daily new infecitons in the US exploding from now over 40 thosuand to next over 100 thousand if one cannot manage to flattening the curve again. I conlcude some states laready two days ago said they ha dno more free ICUs or have their ICU capacity used up to over 90%, this then would mean a collapse of the public health system.

em2nought

06-30-20, 02:17 PM

Elon Musk says there are a ridiculous number of false positives. If we're gonna health take advice from Bill Gates, we might has well listen to Musk too. :03:

Skybird

06-30-20, 04:37 PM

Elon Musk would insist that fire is cold if that helps him to keep his factory workers working, and where this ridicule and conspiration theory against Bill Gates and Covid19 is coming from, not even psychiatrists have a theory of.

Meanwhile everybody is better advised to listen this guy and his story:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/30/health/coronavirus-athlete-covid-19-ahmad-ayyad-john-hopkins-trnd/index.html

"Take it seriously. It's not a joke. It can kill you, even if you think you're healthy and immune to it. You're not."

Skybird

07-01-20, 04:54 AM

Daily observations in the streets proove how desperately simple explanations like the following are still needed, despite the long time this is going now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/8-common-coronavirus-mask-styles-don-t-actually-protect-against-ncna1232466

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On another story, the US is reported to have bought up practically all global stockpiles of Remdesivir.
Remdesivir was shown to reduce the stay of serious cases in ICUs from 14 to 11 days, and slightly reducing the number of fatalities. I would describe it not as a cure, but as something that gives mild easing of a crisis.

Jimbuna

07-01-20, 06:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0vyTgBT_9Q

Skybird

07-01-20, 09:32 AM

German company Biontech reports successful first tests with a vaccine candidate. The compnay was the first in Germany giving permission to run clinical trials with a vaccine candidate. This test trial was run in the US, but a German trial will follow. 24 patients all had built antibodies after 4 weeks, with no serious serioius side effects reported by the test persons. Biontech cooperates with Pfizer in the US.

em2nought

07-01-20, 10:53 AM

24 patients all had built antibodies after 4 weeks, with no serious side effects reported by the test persons.
Somebody needs to create a vaccine that lists becoming a conservative as a potential side effect. :har:

Jimbuna

07-01-20, 11:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3bOW7E-gfY

Jimbuna

07-01-20, 11:42 AM

UK firms slash 11,000 jobs in two days in retail and aviation sectors.

Department store John Lewis says it has “too much store space”

Station snack bar operator Upper Crust says 5,000 jobs could go.

Aerospace giant Airbus to cut 15,000 jobs worldwide including 1,700 in UK

The US has bought almost all the world's upcoming supply of Covid-19 treatment drug remdesivir.

Top US health expert Dr Anthony Fauci warns cases in the US could reach 100,000 a day.

EU borders are reopening to people from 15 countries but the US is excluded.

The UK has the third highest Covid-19 death toll globally, after the US and Brazil.

Worldwide there have been 10.5m confirmed infections and more than 509,000 deaths.

Mr Quatro

07-01-20, 12:18 PM

Somebody needs to create a vaccine that lists becoming a conservative as a potential side effect. :har:

That,s funny :D

Explain to me why the protesters and rioters aren't having problems with Covid-19?

Onkel Neal

07-01-20, 03:49 PM

That,s funny :D

Explain to me why the protesters and rioters aren't having problems with Covid-19?

Because part of their criminal MO is to wear masks to hide their identity, which helps against covid too.

Jimbuna

07-02-20, 05:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Te4ZnM1GQs

Jimbuna

07-02-20, 05:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwIX06UvNPU

Jimbuna

07-02-20, 05:26 AM

Leaky lockdowns fuelled the coronavirus in the US, says the country's top expert in infectious diseases.

Dr Anthony Fauci tells the BBC the US risks an even greater outbreak if spikes are not controlled.

President Donald Trump changes tack and says he would wear a mask "in a tight situation"

In the UK, around 75 countries are expected to be exempt from travel quarantine rules.

Plans for all students in England to return to school in September will be announced later.

New Zealand's health minister resigns after a series of quarantine breaches by travellers.

Globally there are 10.6 million confirmed coronavirus cases and more than 515,500 deaths.

Companies will be asked to stockpile 10 weeks’ worth of masks in the event of a second wave, France’s secretary of state for economy and finance said. "We're preparing for the start of the school year and there is a risk of re-circulation of the virus," Agnès Pannier-Runacher said.

Serbia has reimposed and tightened lockdown restrictions in certain parts of the country as infections rise once more. The country is currently on a list of EU "safe travel" nations, although Austria has issued a travel warning for the Balkan nation.

People have been caught on camera crossing the border from Sweden into Norway, which has imposed restrictions on its Nordic neighbour. Norway’s Public Roads Administration has since deleted the images, Norwegian public broadcaster NRK reports.

And Denmark's football cup final between Aalborg BK and Sønderjyske had to be halted after Aalborg fans refused to socially distance in the stands. Police eventually had to expel a group of supporters, and play resumed after a 15-minute delay - with Sønderjyske winning 2-0

Skybird

07-02-20, 06:42 AM

German-French TV channel ARTE aired this program recently, on the infamous role of the WHO in this pandemic crisis. It does not get off too well. I feel confirmed in my mistrust, scepticism and even disdain for this organisation.

The first is the channel's "mediathek". Spoken language and subtitles can be switched between German and French.

https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/097687-000-A/china-usa-spielball-who/

And this I just found at youtube, the premiere of the movie is in 4 hours from the time of typing this on. Maybe they offer English subtitles or sound, remains to be seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GstS-cX1N_s

Jimbuna

07-02-20, 09:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMQZ1dDnHlc

vienna

07-02-20, 09:08 PM

Face masks could be good for the economy...?... :hmmm:

Goldman Sachs has done the math and a national mask mandate to halt the spread of coronavirus would have a big impact on the U.S. economy --

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wearing-a-mask-to-halt-the-spread-of-coronavirus-has-a-big-impact-on-us-economic-growthand-goldman-has-done-the-math-2020-06-30?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

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Onkel Neal

07-02-20, 09:22 PM

Texas governor issues a statewide mask order.

https://abc13.com/harris-county-judge-lina-hidalgo-coronavirus-self-quarantine-stay-at-home-order/6292458/

Finally. :timeout:

vienna

07-02-20, 11:48 PM

Hope the new face mask order helps your state; from what we hear out here, things have been pretty hard regarding the spread of Covid-19 lately down there in the Lone Star...

Local governments here are starting to get really serious about enforcing face mask orders; prior to now, it has been pretty much an honor system where the LEOs haven't really had any ordinances to back any enforcement of mask orders; now, a couple of local cities are actually spelling out penalties for non-compliance by individuals (businesses were already facing enforcement via license restriction/revocation, fines, etc., for non-enforcement on their premises):

West Hollywood, Santa Monica Will Fine People for Not Wearing Masks --

https://variety.com/2020/politics/news/west-hollywood-masks-fine-1234696839/

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Jimbuna

07-03-20, 04:25 AM

People arriving in England from dozens of nations will no longer need to quarantine from 10 July.

A full list of 'low risk' countries is set to be published on Friday but will include France, Spain and Germany.

PM Boris Johnson will urge the public to act responsibly ahead of England's lockdown being eased.

The governor of Texas has ordered face coverings to be worn in public as virus cases rocket.

With 53,000 new cases recorded on Thursday, the US set a new one-day record for new infections.

Globally there are 10.8m virus cases and there have been more than 520,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-03-20, 04:33 AM

There has been a rise in the number of coronavirus cases in Austria, after relatively stable figures through most of June.
The total number of active cases in Austria is now around 787, compared to 470 before the weekend.

Quarantine rules in England are being abolished for travel from dozens of countries - including France, Spain, Italy and Germany. That means people arriving from these countries, including UK travellers coming home, will not have to spend 14 days in isolation.

But the other UK nations have not yet decided whether to relax their rules.

Travellers from England may also still face restrictions at their intended destinations.

Greece, a popular holiday destination with a low number of coronavirus deaths, says it will not accept direct UK flights until at least mid-July.

Austria requires Britons to self-isolate unless they have a recent medical certificate or test negative for coronavirus on arrival.

New Zealand has barred almost all foreign travellers from visiting, while those entering Australia require a special exemption visa and face a mandatory quarantine.

One US state seeing a surge in cases is Texas, where people have now been ordered to wear face coverings in public. Texas marked a record number of infections this week, with 8,000 new confirmed cases on Wednesday alone.

The Palestinian Authority is imposing a full five-day lockdown in the West Bank, starting from today, as cases of the virus continue to rise. Previous local restrictions in "red areas", including hard-hit cities Bethlehem and Hebron, failed to stop the spread of the virus.

South Korea has recorded its highest daily increase in cases in two weeks. In the past day the country reported 63 new infections, bringing the total to just under 13,000

The number of confirmed coronavirus infections in Tokyo have topped 100 for the second day in a row. The Japanese capital reported 124 cases today - the highest daily number since a national state of emergency was lifted in late May.

Melbourne is at a "critical stage" after an outbreak of the virus, despite Australia generally being a success story. Although the numbers are still below March's peak, most cases are now being spread locally instead of from people arriving from abroad.

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un praised his country's handling of the virus as a "shining success". The country maintains that it has had zero cases, but most analysts say this is unlikely.

Skybird

07-03-20, 05:46 AM

US virologist Dr. Fauci warns that it seems the virus has mutaed into a form that is even more infectous and produces higher loads of virus in infected cells/patients.

A German virologist expressed strong scepticism that next year there will be the one super vaccine, the one drug to cure it all. More likely it would be that it takes much longer for such a drug to develope, and that we probably will end up with a whole group of different vaccines with sometimes smaller, sometimes bigger differences in their effects. The virus most likely came to stay, he said. We need to learn to live with it.

Florida governor, a Trump man, said he rejects to shut down anything, and leaves the repsnsibility to nevertheless do so to lower levels of the hierarchy: districts and towns. Texan governor however, also a Trump man, has ruled that social distancing (with rules still quite lenient imo) and wearing masks now gets enforced. Texas hospitals are at their limits, some seem to be locked.

Hyper-individuality meets superstitious science scepticism meets religious mumbo-jumbo - and the result is what is going on with Covid-19 in the US. People risk their health and life and that of their families only to not follow the wrong party's message on wearing masks - really...? Something ticks very strange in the American way of thinking there. Uncomprehensable.

Dowly

07-03-20, 07:56 AM

https://i.imgur.com/1GWnPMc.jpg

August

07-03-20, 08:13 AM

Even if that were true Dowly we aren't European sheep to be cowed into submission by a few CCTV cameras.

skidman

07-03-20, 08:25 AM

No, you are American macaques who throw Corona-Parties to get infected there:

https://time.com/5862571/alabama-coronavirus-parties/

August

07-03-20, 09:00 AM

No, you are American macaques who throw Corona-Parties to get infected there:

https://time.com/5862571/alabama-coronavirus-parties/

Well shoot, me and the thousands of people I know and work with didn't get our invitations. Must have been an oversight.

August

07-03-20, 09:55 AM

Mean while:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7h7BFWoAEQIeN?format=jpg&name=large

Platapus

07-03-20, 10:25 AM

No, you are American macaques who throw Corona-Parties to get infected there:

https://time.com/5862571/alabama-coronavirus-parties/

Yeah that was pretty dumb

Skybird

07-03-20, 11:19 AM

A new battleground opens up between the EU and the Disunited States of Trump, but this time it is the EU side seeking to take the initiative and threatening to open fire.

The European Commission released a drug for the treatment of Covid-19 for the first time on Friday: Remdesivir. Health Commissioner Stella Kyriakides spoke of "an important step in the fight against the virus". This approval was given "less than a month after the application was submitted", demonstrating the EU's determination to "react quickly as new treatments become available". However, the Commissioner from Cyprus hid one important detail: the drug will not be available to Europeans in the foreseeable future. The US government contractually secured 500,000 treatment units at the end of June. This corresponds to the entire production of the single manufacturer Gilead by July and ninety percent of its capacity in August and September.

This has not gone unnoticed by the experts in Brussels. They are suspicious of how Donald Trump's government is signing exclusive contracts. The CDU health politician in the European Parliament Peter Liese therefore issued an unmistakable threat on Friday. "I think it is necessary for Gilead to share his knowledge with other companies and to let them enter the market as competitors so that care can be provided for the largest possible number of patients worldwide," said Liese. One relies on cooperation and dialogue. If that fails, there is also a Plan B: “It is possible that the member states of the European Union jointly issue compulsory licenses, that is, also against the will of Gilead, enable the drug to be manufactured in the EU by other companies, and we will move also consider trade measures. "

As can be heard in Brussels, France and Germany have long been preparing for a compulsory license scenario. The legal basis for this can be found in the 1995 Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, Trips for short. It states that patent law finds its limit in the case of necessary protection of "public order", which includes "protection of human health". The agreement grants states the right to "take necessary measures to safeguard public health and nutrition". Article 31 regulates the conditions for a possible compulsory license. This means the granting of the production license to a producer in their own country without the permission of the patent holder.

Liese wants the Commission to coordinate such a step and then the Member States to take it together; only they are contracting parties. The point can also be found in a position paper on health policy, which his group, the Christian-Democratic European People's Party, unanimously adopted on Wednesday. There, with reference to a vaccine against Covid-19, it says: "If a vaccine is developed outside Europe and others do not want to share it with us, we also have a plan B", namely "to issue compulsory licenses". Liese reports that he is in frequent contact with representatives of the Gilead company, which also produces other medicines and is therefore entering the European market. "The question of how the European institutions see this company now very much depends on us being treated fairly," says the health politician, who is a doctor himself.

The CDU man also believes trade policy consequences are necessary if the American government continues its course in health policy. As a role model, he sees a list of punitive tariffs on American products with which the EU Commission has responded to America's reintroduction of tariffs on steel and aluminum. “The health of citizens and overcoming this serious crisis must be at least as important to us as the European auto industry. That is why we have to be ready to also impose trade sanctions, ”he said on Friday

The EU Commission has granted conditional market approval for Remdesivir. This means that, according to the experts, the drug is likely to be effective and has few side effects. However, this must be investigated further during treatment; the company must submit reports to the European Medicines Agency (EMA) by December. The EMA applies the rapid procedure, called "rolling review", to emergencies in the area of public health.

Wait until the first vaccine is ready. That will be fun.

skidman

07-03-20, 11:35 AM

Yeah that was pretty dumb

But calling Europeans 'sheep' is a brilliant move. Some people on this board are clearly into double standards.

Dowly

07-03-20, 12:23 PM

But calling Europeans 'sheep' is a brilliant move. Some people on this board are clearly into double standards.
Don't take the bait.

Onkel Neal

07-03-20, 01:25 PM

Mean while:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7h7BFWoAEQIeN?format=jpg&name=large

? :06: Ok, so we're safe? So, cases are going up...so? Oh, I see, when the cases and death started going vertical, the shutdowns averted a national catastrophe. When the state govts started easing the shutdowns, and ignorant Americans disregarded all common sense, the cases are going back up. Got it.

Mr Quatro

07-03-20, 01:36 PM

Mean while:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7h7BFWoAEQIeN?format=jpg&name=large

At first glance I thought it was the Texas/Louisiana coast line :D

Which reminds me of the coming hurricane season ... :o

Will Texas still require face mask and social distancing? :yep:

August

07-03-20, 01:45 PM

? :06: Ok, so we're safe? So, cases are going up...so? Oh, I see, when the cases and death started going vertical, the shutdowns averted a national catastrophe. When the state govts started easing the shutdowns, and ignorant Americans disregarded all common sense, the cases are going back up. Got it.

But not deaths which as you knew was the point. Keep everyone on lockdown for a year, assuming that is possible without society crumbling completely, and you'd still be facing a new wave of infections when you do finally open it back up. Medical science is not going to save everyone from getting covid no matter how long you keep them imprisoned in their homes. Waiting for a vaccine is a nation destroying pipe dream.

Onkel Neal

07-03-20, 02:00 PM

Deaths not going up, check.

Let's circle back in 16 days, shall we?

Keep everyone on lockdown for a year, assuming that is possible without society crumbling completely, and you'd still be facing a new wave of infections when you do finally open it back up. Medical science is not going to save everyone from getting covid no matter how long you keep them imprisoned in their homes.

Ok, let's strip the hyperbole from this and remember, no one is saying we have to stay imprisoned at home or in total lockdown to manage this crisis. I don't care what Sean Hannity says, we can reduce the number of cases and death and still have a functional economy if we distance, mask, and reduce the number of social interactions, especially unnecessary ones. Texas had a good chance to avoid this, we knew how this played out in New York, but nooo, we opted to insist on our "rights and freedoms" instead of some traditional courtesy toward others. I guess we'll see how it plays out.

And your chart needs to be updated, the July 1 - 2 spike exceeds 50,000 cases.

Jimbuna

07-03-20, 02:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FU61mJgGEo

Jimbuna

07-03-20, 02:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1eUvnbvCmg

Jimbuna

07-03-20, 02:04 PM

PM Boris Johnson has held a press conference on the eve of some lockdown measures being eased in England.

He says local lockdowns - like that in Leicester - will be "a feature of our lives for some time to come"

There is no "risk-free next step" says chief medical adviser Prof Chris Whitty.

Businesses' success is dependent on "every single one of us acting responsibly", says PM

People arriving in England from dozens of nations will no longer need to quarantine from 10 July.

New figures suggest 20,000 care home residents have died with Covid-19 in England and Wales since the beginning of March.

The governor of Texas has ordered face coverings to be worn in public as US virus cases rocket.

India's reported more than 20,000 new cases in a single day for the first time since the outbreak began.

Globally there are 10.8m virus cases and there have been more than 520,000 deaths.

Mr Quatro

07-03-20, 02:15 PM

The governor of Texas has ordered face coverings to be worn in public as US virus cases rocket.

Texas is still a big state this new rule only applies to counties with more 20 cases :up:

August

07-03-20, 02:27 PM

I don't care what Sean Hannity says, we can reduce the number of cases and death and still have a functional economy if we distance, mask, and reduce the number of social interactions, especially unnecessary ones. Texas had a good chance to avoid this, we knew how this played out in New York, but nooo, we opted to insist on our "rights and freedoms" instead of some traditional courtesy toward others. I guess we'll see how it plays out.

Darn tootin. Americans should always demand their rights and never tolerate some government jerkoff telling them they must surrender their freedom for anything, especially when given conflicting and weak reasons and unsustainable orders and advice. Masks don't work/masks are mandatory, two weeks to flatten the curve/this is the new normal. Since when is it common courtesy to encourage neighbors to inform on each others movements? To applaud riots while banning religious services?

We do not live at our governments pleasure Neal and I don't care what CNN has to say about it either.

Onkel Neal

07-03-20, 03:44 PM

Ok, you're right. Let's start driving on the left side of the road. Screw the govt's laws.

mapuc

07-03-20, 03:49 PM

I have learned that with freedom comes responsibility.

The Danish government have given me some freedom in this corona crisis, but I also have to take responsibility towards other people.

Markus

Mr Quatro

07-03-20, 03:54 PM

August! CNN is not telling me anything ... My common sense is :yep:

I try to reuse my old throw away mask and they feel yucky ... So I just throw them away, but you can't do that with your face.

Wash, wash, hands, face, mask, your mouth, your mind and for heavens sake don't talk to anyone without a mask on.

One lady was interviewed on TV news and cried, "I didn't know you could get the virus from just talking to someone" She later died :o

I truly hope you don't get sick complaining about your freedoms :yep:

Dowly

07-03-20, 03:58 PM

I have learned that with freedom comes responsibility.Americans' going to need a bit more time to understand that it looks like.

August

07-03-20, 04:54 PM

Ok, you're right. Let's start driving on the left side of the road. Screw the govt's laws.

If you ever drive on my land Neal that will be exactly what I expect you to do... :salute:

Skybird

07-03-20, 05:35 PM

Its not nice.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fgesellscha ft%2Fgesundheit%2Fcoronavirus%2Ffolgeschaeden-von-covid-19-die-graesslichen-narben-der-corona-pandemie-16843184.html%3FprintPagedArticle%3Dtrue%23pageInd ex_2

Thats why I do not accept it when anyone claims his right for freedom when he uses it to pose an infection danger to others. There is no right to expose others to what that article describes. Like there is no right to rape, to poison, to slaughter, to wound.

Personal freedom necessarily ends where one poses a risk to health, life and freedom of others. Where one does not care for that, the others have a right to self-defense.

Skybird

07-03-20, 05:59 PM

New study shows that even in sunny Africa Vitamine-D deficiency is quite common, comparable to Europe. That is because where the sun shines heavy, people tend to avoid it. Or they must work all day in enclosed halls and rooms.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(19)30457-7/fulltext

Myself, I had just suffered my first attack by polymorphic light dermatosis this year, or in brief: sun allergy. I am vulnerable to it since last year, when I first was struck by it. I cannot expose my unprotected skin to sunlight anymore, must wear hats, sunblocker, UV-protecting long sleaves shirt loosely over my T-shirt, and thicker trousers than until last year. It sucks, but I cannot help it, sunlight causes me very severe skin rash and absolutely awful itching for 3-5 days of terrible itching and 12-14 days of skin dots. So, even in sunny summer I am certain I am highly vitamine-D deficient. In hotter countries, the natives oftehnj poratcice sun-.evading loiving styles and habits. So, a sunny country does not automatically means less Vitmaine-D deficiency of the population. People in Mexico and India are known to be very deficient, for example.

August

07-03-20, 07:09 PM

Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.
The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66% hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared to neither treatment.
In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent with both drugs, 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note.
"Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hydroxychloroquine-helped-save-coronavirus-study

vienna

07-03-20, 07:22 PM

Well, you know the situation is pretty bad when Mexico closes its borders to entry from the US...

Mexico closes US border in Arizona to stop July 4th visitors, citing COVID-19 fears --

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article243985782.html

Whaddaya know...

...'Make America A Pariah Again'...

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Dowly

07-03-20, 08:57 PM

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hydroxychloroquine-helped-save-coronavirus-study
They prescribed steroids to a big majority (70%+) of those who got Hydroxychloroquine compared to groups that didn't. Steroids are a known early treatment for covid-19.

Another problem is that this wasn't a randomized, blind trial. Randomized trials have shown no effects of Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for covid-19.

Mr Quatro

07-03-20, 10:17 PM

One of the known side effects of Covid-19 is listed as fear :yep:

Skybird

07-04-20, 12:47 AM

One of the known side effects of Covid-19 is listed as fear

That ^ is a very stupid saying. :roll:
This multi-organic desease strikes the whole system. The suffering of 15-20% of infected patients, is immense. This virus commands respect. Not stupid denial or ridicule.

Jimbuna

07-04-20, 05:16 AM

England reopens pubs, restaurants, hairdressers and cinemas after a major relaxation of lockdown curbs.

Two households are now allowed to meet indoors or outside, including overnight stays.

Places of worship can open for prayers and services, including weddings with up to 30 guests - subject to social distancing.

Latest daily figures show a further 137 people died with coronavirus in the UK, bringing the total to 44,131

The US recorded its largest single-day rise in infections on Friday, with more than 57,000 recorded.

America's 4 July Independence Day celebrations are muted this year with cities cancelling parades.

Worldwide, more than 11 million people have now been infected and more than 525,000 have died.

Jimbuna

07-04-20, 05:23 AM

England's chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty, has urged people to take a "really disciplined approach" to social distancing as he warned of the risk of coronavirus spreading in pubs.

Although you can get a pint in a pub in England from today, each UK nation’s lockdown differs.

In Northern Ireland, pubs and restaurants reopened on Friday.

In Scotland, beer gardens and outdoor restaurants will be allowed to reopen from 6 July, and indoor areas can be used from 15 July.

The Welsh government has promised talks with the hospitality sector about a "potential phased" reopening, but no dates have yet been given.

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has sanctioned a law making the use of masks in public obligatory during the coronavirus crisis.However, he vetoed their use in shops, churches and schools.

Australia's Victoria state reported 108 new infections in the past 24 hours. This is the second-highest daily total recorded in the state since the outbreak began.

A court has launched an inquiry into the French government's handling of the coronavirus response.

The Law Court of the Republic - which deals with claims of ministerial misconduct - is focusing on three senior figures, including former PM Édouard Philippe, following complaints from unions and doctors.

August

07-04-20, 07:51 AM

That ^ is a very stupid saying. :roll:
This multi-organic desease strikes the whole system. The suffering of 15-20% of infected patients, is immense. This virus commands respect. Not stupid denial or ridicule.

You don't get to tell people what they have to respect or what they can ridicule.

Dowly

07-04-20, 08:13 AM

Common sense, however, does.

Jimbuna

07-04-20, 08:49 AM

A further 39 people who tested positive for Covid-19 have died in hospitals across England, NHS England has said.

Patients were aged between 45 and 99 years old. All patients had known underlying health conditions.

It brings the total number of deaths in hospitals in England to 28,871.

A further five people have died with the coronavirus in Wales, with a further 34 people testing positive for the virus, Public Health Wales said.

In Scotland, there were no recorded Covid-19 related deaths with 11 more confirmed cases, the Scottish government said.

Mr Quatro

07-04-20, 08:55 AM

That ^ is a very stupid saying. :roll:
This multi-organic desease strikes the whole system. The suffering of 15-20% of infected patients, is immense. This virus commands respect. Not stupid denial or ridicule.

The definition of fear is respect ... like in fear God :yep:

Jimbuna

07-04-20, 09:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob2GcGUUUxM

August

07-04-20, 09:24 AM

Common sense, however, does.

Says you. I've seen that label attached to all kinds of ridiculous things.

Dowly

07-04-20, 09:41 AM

Karma, if you're listening...

skidman

07-04-20, 09:42 AM

The definition of fear is respect ... like in fear God :yep:

Erm... ...no.

Respect is a good feeling of approval of somebody/something because of their good qualities or achievements whereas fear is the bad feeling that you have when you realize you have not prayed hard enough and to make your life better you will have to start burning witches again.

See: Religion is a means of social control and it works by putting fear into fellow believers.

Platapus

07-04-20, 09:57 AM

The definition of fear is respect ... like in fear God :yep:

That's messed up. Fear is fear and respect is respect. The two are not synonymous.

Fear may be able to temporarily give the appearance of respect.

August

07-04-20, 10:43 AM

That's messed up. Fear is fear and respect is respect. The two are not synonymous.

Fear may be able to temporarily give the appearance of respect.

Temporarily as in long enough to clear a street of rioters?

Skybird

07-04-20, 10:52 AM

The definition of fear is respect ... like in fear God :yep:
Oh my. :dead:

Skybird

07-04-20, 10:54 AM

Fear may be able to temporarily give the appearance of respect.
Na, that is obedience. Like obeying the thug who holds a pistol at my mother's head while I open the safe.

Skybird

07-04-20, 04:56 PM

I found this following text about he nomenclatura and norms for respiratory masks. Since there is a lot of confusion and uncertainty about Chinese-made masks ands the Chinese habit to forge products and to forge European norm seals (CE-label for exmaple), it maybe is useful to know about this. Its not that every Chinese mask ,missing Western quality seals, must be necessarily bad. They simply do not test them all currewntly, there is to much flooding in. Its not as if Chinese hospitals do not know about the need for quality assurance as well. FFP- and KN/N masks from Western production are practically impossible to get currently, almost every KN or N or FFP mask on offer to private consumers is made in China, and what there is in Western production of FFP2/3 standard, goes into the professional health care system. The cloth masks being recommended now by authorities, are are worst option there is, the waste option that is left after the need of healöth care has been adressed. I sometimes think they want people to get infected at a controlled rate.

Just take care that you do not buy masks with exhaling valves. Obviously if you are carrying the infection, these work counterproductive.

Berlin - Respiratory protection and mouth protection are available in different designs and filter classes. Depending on the classification, the products block particles of different sizes. After the FFP2 and FFP3 masks were initially in high demand, the KN95 mask is now coming to the fore. The different designation is related to the different standards worldwide.

In Germany, particle-filtering respirators are classified into three groups. It is important that these masks only protect against solids - special full masks with a filter unit are required to protect against gases and vapors. FFP stands for "Filtering Face Piece". Their use is required by law at workplaces where the limit values of individual substances are exceeded. When working in the recipe, for example, an FFP3 mask is required depending on the active ingredient. The active ingredients that require the wearing of a face mask include, for example, cortisones and hormones. In connection with the corona pandemic, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) recommends at least mask of filter class 2 for protection against viruses.

FFP1: Non-toxic dusts, smoke particles
FFP2: Non-toxic dusts, smoke particles, carcinogenic substances
FFP3: Non-toxic dusts, smoke particles, carcinogenic substances, viruses, bacteria, fungal spores, radioactive substances

KN95 and N95 - China

The Chinese standards GB 2626-2006 “Respiratory protective equipment. Non-powered air-purifying particle respirator ”and GB 19083-2010“ Technical requirements for protective face mask for medical use ”were published by the Standardization Administration of the People's Republic of China (SAC). The GB 2626-2006 standard has a transition period until June, when GB 2626-2019 applies. A GB is a national standard that must be adhered to when manufacturing products. There are four types of mask in China: KN95, KN100 and KP95 as well as KP100. The mask of the type KN95 currently frequently ordered from China essentially meets the requirements of the American N95 masks.

Essential product information

Name and identification of the manufacturer
Model and size
Masks that were manufactured in accordance with standard GB 2626-2006 must be visibly marked on the mask or on the packaging with the associated standard designation (GB 2626-2006 KN95)
on the packaging: product license number, production date or production lot number, shelf life (at least 12 months) and recommended storage conditions.

The General Secretariat for Industry and Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises in China issued alternative specifications for PPE masks (PPE = Personal Protective Equipment) with European CE marking at the end of March. "In principle, the GB2626 standard is applied by the manufacturer in a self-certification process under its own responsibility, and market surveillance is carried out by the manufacturer." The General Secretariat's resolution continues: "Due to the coronavirus crisis, the Chinese government ordered that all masks be put on." three aspects are checked: penetration, breathing resistance and labeling. As a result, all masks in the Chinese market should have test reports with these three results, created by the national quality control and testing center for personal protective equipment. Every province has at least one such laboratory that is accredited. ”There are currently 45 of these accredited test centers.
N95 - America

The mask type designation N95 originally comes from the USA. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Japan also use the name and manufacture masks to the required standard. The corresponding standard 42 CFR Part 84 was published by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH). To compare the masks with German filter classes, it can be said that N95 masks essentially meet the requirements for FFP2 masks.

Marking of American masks

TC exam number
LOT number (only recommended)
Model number
Company name of the marketing authorization holder
Filter class
Abbreviation NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health)

Skybird

07-04-20, 06:14 PM

The WHO has stopped all clinical trials with anti-HIV drugs Lopinavir and Ritonavir. Reason is not safety concerns, but that the trials so far have shown no effectiveness whatever against the Covid-19 virus.

Jimbuna

07-05-20, 05:14 AM

The Australian state of Victoria warns that an outbreak in Melbourne has "genuinely explosive potential"
Some 3,000 residents of densely populated tower blocks in the city have been placed under lockdown.

Pub-goers in England have enjoyed their first night out in three months after some restrictions were lifted.
A police federation official says it is "crystal clear" drunk people cannot socially distance.

US President Donald Trump touts the country's "progress" against Covid-19 despite a spike in cases.

Mexico records more than 30,000 deaths as the disease ravages one of Latin America's worst-hit countries.

More than 11.2 million cases of Covid-19 have been recorded worldwide with nearly 531,000 deaths.

Mr Quatro

07-05-20, 09:22 AM

Numbers true, but still makes one wonder :hmmm:

https://scontent.fbis1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106957970_2166301296850079_2158093893692554938_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQktDu4gDzb7J2mE98lJpY5V_dMZSDDlDaXO4aoVuhV AE_JdI-RxU4IrF-cBWvysUts&_nc_ht=scontent.fbis1-1.fna&oh=92fcbbd4618e5e2bc1c2cb081db96a7d&oe=5F286CD4

Jimbuna

07-05-20, 09:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_3D45fXOrI

Catfish

07-05-20, 10:01 AM

I just read the virus is here to stay, and we will probably not be able to find a real vaccine - not in the next year at least - since it does not only cause respiratory-limited diseases. It seems we will need special vaccines and cures for the various systems the virus attacks :hmmm:

Jimbuna

07-05-20, 12:34 PM

Daily confirmed coronavirus cases and the number of Covid-related deaths are both continuing to fall in the UK, as charts below reveal. A further 22 deaths were confirmed in the UK in the past 24 hours, down from well over 1,000 daily deaths when the virus was at its peak in April.

Social care workers in Wales have still not received a £500 cash bonus that was promised more than two months ago, while the Welsh Government wrangles with Westminster over whether the bonuses should be taxable.

The Mayor of Austin, Texas has warned that hospitals in the city could be “overrun” within two weeks if cases continue increasing at the current rate.

Despite a nationwide rise in coronavirus cases, President Donald Trump touted the country’s “progress” against the covid-19 disease in a 4 July speech.

The US has reported 2.8 million cases and 129,000 deaths since the pandemic began. More than 11,000 new cases of the virus have been reported in the past 24 hours in Florida alone.

Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr Stephen Hahn has said it is “too early to tell” whether Florida will be safe for the Republican National Convention next month, CNN reports.

New York City is preparing for phase three of opening on Monday. Under the plan, nail salons, tattoo and massage parlours will be allowed to reopen however indoor dining will remain banned.

Across the border in Mexico, the death toll from coronavirus rose to 30,366 on Saturday, making it the country with the fifth highest number of fatalities in the global pandemic.

Kazakhstan has become the first country to re-impose nationwide coronavirus restrictions after a sharp rise in the number of cases.

The Philippines recorded its largest daily number of Covid-19 infections on Sunday. Some 2,434 cases were announced, bringing the total number of cases to 44,254. Seven deaths were also recorded, bringing the total number of fatalities to 1,297.

Skybird

07-05-20, 03:54 PM

Take this desease serious. This is no clown bug making funny jokes. It kills, and if it does not kill, it does this, amongst others:

In the midst of the terrible numbers of the Corona crisis, one value stood out that gave hope: the number of people who were healed. Millions of people worldwide have already survived Covid 19 disease. But months after the pandemic began, it became increasingly clear: the virus had a long-lasting effect on many sufferers. Do millions of people face long-term consequences?

Overall, little is known about the late and long-term consequences of a corona infection, said Peter Berlit, Secretary General of the German Society for Neurology, at the beginning of June. The first insights into possible neurological consequences had only been gathered about a few weeks ago. "They weren't known before, because the disease is still young."
"Nobody knows what will happen to them"

But now, weeks later, there are already clear alarm signals from science. "People think: either you die or you are fine, but that's not how it is," explains British doctor Helen Salisbury in the "Spiegel" newspaper. The debate had long been about intensive care units and ventilation stations. But now she is afraid that there are many people who "may stay sick forever."

Many of the patients she was treating and who already had a Covid 19 disease behind would still suffer from symptoms such as exhaustion, fever episodes or cough. How should she treat those affected? She does not know. "Nobody knows what will happen to them," says Salisbury.

Timothy Spector, a professor at King’s College in London, is investigating the course of illnesses of more than 200,000 patients over an extended period of time. From what he has seen so far, he thinks Covid-19 is "completely unpredictable". About ten percent of the observed patients had unexplained symptoms for more than a month, many of them even after two months. The symptoms range from exhaustion and headache to difficulty breathing, dizziness and diarrhea. "I am a trained rheumatologist and I know about strange diseases. But Covid-19 is the strangest disease I know," he told Spiegel.

Intensive care doctor Matthias Kochanek, senior physician at Cologne University Hospital, had already reported a month ago that even patients with a mild course complained that the duration of the illness felt longer than was known from normal flu.

And a pattern could be seen in seriously ill patients. Compared to patients with other forms of pneumonia, it would take them much longer to recover.

One question that more and more medical professionals are concerned with is what damage Covid-19 causes by attacking the brain. In some patients, severe neurological diseases - so-called encephalopathies - became visible after an illness.

"This is expressed in restlessness and confusion, and memory performance can also be impaired," explains Peter Berlit. A few weeks ago, he warned that there were fears that such restrictions could remain for a long time.

Another risk is the long-term consequences of strokes, which according to Berlit are frequently observed not only in seriously ill Covid 19 patients due to a higher tendency to thrombosis. Which symptoms remained mainly depends on the affected area of the brain.

According to the “Spiegel” report, doctors now see a parallel to the Sars pandemic in 2003. Even then, the pathogen was a previously unknown corona virus, which caused severe respiratory disease in patients - and many patients at that time had above all long after the illness Symptoms of exhaustion complained.

Harvey Moldofsky, a sleep and pain researcher at the University of Toronto, had spoken to those who had long-term problems. "Even more than a year after getting through the infection, people were still exhausted, felt weak, had muscle pains, sleep disorders and could no longer think clearly," he now told Der Spiegel. Complaints similar to those with chronic fatigue syndrome.

Whether Covid-19 patients are threatened with something similar in the long term - currently doctors and researchers cannot say. But the fear remains that in the future it will not only be the treatment of acutely infected people who will face challenges.

https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/selbst-geheilte-patienten-klagen-lange-ueber-probleme-angst-vor-den-langzeitschaeden-covid-19-ist-die-merkwuerdigste-krankheit-die-ich-kenne_id_12176954.html

Mr Quatro

07-05-20, 10:49 PM

That is a long read, but also a good find, Sky :up:

Thank you for bringing it to my attention
I am starting to think that I may have had the virus already and have gotten over it for I also have those same symptoms of being tired, a slight fever and a cough, plus other signs.

My doctor says it's just a seasonal thing ... We shall see, but still good to know that survivors still have problems too :yep:

Bilge_Rat

07-06-20, 06:51 AM

So if you look through this graphic, the situation in the US is improving daily.

https://www.ftportfolios.com/Common/ContentFileLoader.aspx?ContentGUID=a9e49836-abc7-41cf-8949-4497ddee0018

deaths and hospitalizations keep going down.

ICU bed capacity is only at 60% and Covid patients occupy less than 10%.

90% of deaths are among people 65 and over.

45% of deaths are in nursing homes.

of course, you would not know any of this if you just listen to CNN.

Dowly

07-06-20, 07:24 AM

Ok, I looked at it. Seems to be a lot of carefully selected info to make things look better. Hard pass.

Catfish

07-06-20, 07:31 AM

Wasn't there someone who tried to order less testing, so the numbers suit his wishful thinking? Did not work?

Spread of the corona virus july 5th 2020 (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/16/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s) by the NPR

"Of course you would not know any of this if you just listen to" Trump or Fox' fluff journalism.
There are facts and there are "alternative facts".

Bilge_Rat

07-06-20, 07:42 AM

Ok, I looked at it. Seems to be a lot of carefully selected info to make things look better. Hard pass.

facts are facts. The fact that it does not suit your perception of reality is not an argument.

Whenever anyone bothers to crunch the hard data without a political agenda, the results are the same.

New cases means nothing if most have no symptoms and do not require hospitilizations.

If older people are the most vulnerable, the answer to limit access to them, not lock down an entire economy.

Skybird

07-06-20, 08:08 AM

https://time.com/5858593/younger-people-covid-19/

More recent data, however, show a more complex picture. Older people do seem more likely to die from COVID-19—but they aren’t necessarily more likely to get infected.
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from mid-March (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w) found that about half of U.S. COVID-19 patients with known ages at that time were 55 or older—even though only 29% of the country’s population is that old. Over time, though, the data has settled to better reflect the country’s overall age distribution (https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D) (with the exception of kids 19 and younger, who still make up a very small portion (https://time.com/5816239/children-coronavirus/) of infections).
The CDC’s most recent data (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6924e2.htm#T1_down), published on June 19, shows that nearly 70% of people in the U.S. who tested positive as of May 30 were younger than 60. The median age of U.S. COVID-19 patients during that time was 48, and it’s even lower in the country’s newer hotspots like Florida (https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/2020/06/19/gov-desantis-median-age-of-florida-covid-19-patients-declining/) and Arizona (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/06/24/more-younger-people-getting-covid-19-since-stay-home-order-ended/3246845001/), where case counts are surging.
Also, many countries reported over the past 2-3 weeks a massive surge in infections amongst younger people from early 20s on.

If you get infected, you have roughly a 1 in 6 chance that you become that ill that you must get hospitalized. And then your life can turn really very very nasty.

And as I just posted above, even mildly infected people not going to hospital, report that they need months to recover, and that hospitalized people surviving, have still not fully recovered after months, maybe will not fully recover for the rest of their lives.

Its not just the old ones dying in nurse homes, Bilge Rat. The problem is far more fundamental and wide spread. It effects everybody, young and old, well-trained and couch potatoes. Notbody is untouchable to this virus. Even not the young and strong and healthy and well-trained.

And it is still not understood what is going on in the body that got attacked by Covid-19. Only that it is a multi-organ attack at mltiple fronts, striking practically the whole organism, not just the lungs.

Treat this bug with the respect it commands, guys. This is no desease you want to catch improvidently, like an occasional cold. At least as long as you are no masochist or suffer from suicidal fantasies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/broadaway-actor-nick-cordero-dies-after-battle-coronavirus-n1232943

Heck, this guy had to suffer. 41 years. Maybe he was lucky to not have woken up. Amoutation, strokes, and the needed rehabilitation after the long coma that had his muscles atrophizing - such rehabs last months of very hard, exhaustive training before people can even just walk again, muscle atrophy takes place at discouragingly fast pace.

Dowly

07-06-20, 08:45 AM

facts are facts. The fact that it does not suit your perception of reality is not an argument.Facts can easily be used to portray something in both negative and positive light. It's all about how selective you are with the facts you show.

For example, in your graph they decided to show total ICU bed capacity in the US. Why? If there are spikes in only certain areas, total ICU data for the entire country is an extremely inaccurate way of showing how much strain there is in those areas regarding ICU capacity.

Then there's this one:
There were 273 deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S. on Sunday, June 28th, 2020. That is down 84% from the Sunday peak of 1,733 on April 19th, 2020.While this is completely accurate, one must ask why show those figures? Sundays have always had less deaths. Your daily average continues to be much higher than that. Just day before, on June 27th, there were over 500 deaths, on the next day (29th) 366 and the day after that 700+. But those don't look as rosy as 273 deaths, right?

It's a BS graph by a bank with vested interest to see the economy reopen.

Skybird

07-06-20, 08:53 AM

Onkel Neal

07-06-20, 09:11 AM

If older people are the most vulnerable, the answer to limit access to them, not lock down an entire economy.

I agree 100%, we should be able to manage this without completely shutting down the economy. Trouble is, we aren't, we're not even trying all that hard. We have a large and vocal segment of the nation actively undermining the effort to slow the spread and keep the economy going.

My niece works in a Houston ICU unit, she says all their ICU beds are full with Covid patients, and that means car accident, ladder falls, stroke, etc patients are being shuttled to different wards/hospitals. Filling up fast.

Too bad there isn't a way to separate the "I'm taking this pandemic seriously" patients from the "Rush says they're after muh freedom" patients. But I suppose the cautious people are not a large proportion of the emergencies.

Cybermat47

07-06-20, 10:29 AM

Bus Driver Beaten to Braindeath for Refusing to Drive for Maskless Passengers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8493895/Bus-driver-left-brain-dead-beaten-insisting-masks-France.html

Jimbuna

07-06-20, 10:39 AM

Delays to cancer diagnosis and treatment due to coronavirus could cause thousands of excess deaths in the UK within a year, research suggests.

Scientists suggest there could be at least 7,000 additional deaths - but in a worst case scenario that number could be as high as 35,000.

There are concerns routine screenings, urgent referrals and treatments have been delayed or cancelled.

NHS England said it was working hard to restore services.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53300784

This is just one of the inevitable consequences not only here in the UK but possibly most other countries.

Bilge_Rat

07-06-20, 11:11 AM

I agree 100%, we should be able to manage this without completely shutting down the economy. Trouble is, we aren't, we're not even trying all that hard. We have a large and vocal segment of the nation actively undermining the effort to slow the spread and keep the economy going.

well as I see it, there is a middle way. Every politician acts as if the only two options are do Nothing or complete lockdown.

Social distancing, wearing masks, washing your hands regularly, limiting access to nursing homes and long term care facilities would take care of 90-95% of the problem as I see it.

Jimbuna

07-06-20, 11:16 AM

^ I agree, it's just a pity the politicians who make the decisions don't see it that way.

Bilge_Rat

07-06-20, 11:23 AM

For example, in your graph they decided to show total ICU bed capacity in the US. Why? If there are spikes in only certain areas, total ICU data for the entire country is an extremely inaccurate way of showing how much strain there is in those areas regarding ICU capacity.

As you may recall, the whole idea behind the lockdown and why we all had to go along was to "flatten the curve" so the health system would not be overwhelmed by the mass of Covid patients that were supposed to show up.

Currently, the system is not anywhere close to being overwhelmed on a national level. If certain states or cities have a spike which they cannot handle, they could certainly send patients to other cities or states with excess capacity or adopt local emergency measures.

Then there's this one:
While this is completely accurate, one must ask why show those figures? Sundays have always had less deaths. Your daily average continues to be much higher than that. Just day before, on June 27th, there were over 500 deaths, on the next day (29th) 366 and the day after that 700+. But those don't look as rosy as 273 deaths, right?

you could look at any data, look at any way to calculate it, daily, weekly, weekly average, the result is still the same, the peak was hit in april and has been going down ever since and you see pretty much the same in most countries, including Sweden which did not shut down.

It's a BS graph by a bank with vested interest to see the economy reopen.

How can you say it is BS when all the data they quote is accurate?

Everyone wants the economy to re-open. If you are going to convince people that they have to stop receiving a paycheque or lose their businesses, they you need the facts to show that this is the only way to stop the spread of Covid 19.

Onkel Neal

07-06-20, 11:43 AM

well as I see it, there is a middle way. Every politician acts as if the only two options are do Nothing or complete lockdown.

Social distancing, wearing masks, washing your hands regularly, limiting access to nursing homes and long term care facilities would take care of 90-95% of the problem as I see it.

Yes, I think that makes sense and would work. Despite what politicians say, I would think the average man could see that and take those steps.

em2nought

07-06-20, 12:15 PM

Everyone wants the economy to re-open.

I question that statement. :03:

Skybird

07-06-20, 01:40 PM

Sweden and Israel are in the midst of wave no. 2. Cases in Israel are higher today than they were at the peak of first wave -although the country did an excellent job of containing the pandemic, they decided to ease lock down too early. Now they pay the price - the enemy is back, stronger than before.

Sweden also now gets hit by economic consequences - as if it had done a full lock down in the first. They have launched an examination panel why this is so. Just that their standardized mortality rate is over 4 times as high as in Germany, for exmaple, which did a full lockdown. They took two gambles, and lost twice.

Skybird

07-06-20, 01:44 PM

Yes, I think that makes sense and would work. Despite what politicians say, I would think the average man could see that and take those steps.
The average Joe does comply only for a limited amoun t of time, and not longer. We see the discipline eroding quickly here in Germany. Gemany!

Bilge_Rat

07-06-20, 02:02 PM

We see the discipline eroding quickly here in Germany. Gemany!

what is this world coming to if even Germans do not follow orders...:ping:

Dowly

07-06-20, 03:28 PM

Disney is starting to open their parks this week. Smart.
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/attractions/2020/07/06/disney-word-to-begin-reopening-its-theme-parks

Skybird

07-06-20, 03:51 PM

Holiday season open. Two or three federal states want to abandon masks in shops etc - with all the German holiday tourists from other states, who had not gone to foreign places this year but stayed inside Germany, rushing into their states and 2-3 weeks later rushing out again and scattering across all the country to distrubute any infection outbreaks equally. Even smarter.

Skybird

07-06-20, 03:59 PM

ERs in Florida get selective in accepting - or not accepting - Corona patients. They are full.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/07/06/emergency-rooms-in-south-florida-get-selective-with-coronavirus-cases/

A new study in the Lancet shows that the hope for herd immunity is illusory. They examined Spain with its very high number of Corona victims (highest number in Europe), and found only 5% of the population having antibodies now. "Unreachable" and "unethical" they call any such ambition.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31483-5/fulltext

Onkel Neal

07-06-20, 10:20 PM

The average Joe does comply only for a limited amoun t of time, and not longer. We see the discipline eroding quickly here in Germany. Gemany!

All hope is gone if the Germans start acting like Americans in a pandemic.

But then again, German leaders are actively express delivering in millions of Middle Easterners, so....

Reece

07-07-20, 01:40 AM

It really wouldn't surprise me if China started this virus epidemic deliberately, now they just wait for countries to collapse before they take over!! :doh:

Skybird

07-07-20, 03:54 AM

In France, a bus driver got slain for refusing to allow guests in who did not wear masks.

Reece

07-07-20, 04:15 AM

In France, a bus driver got slain for refusing to allow guests in who did not wear masks.

by slain I assume you mean killed, if so by whom? :hmmm:

Skybird

07-07-20, 05:08 AM

by slain I assume you mean killed, if so by whom? :hmmm:
By unmasked people who wanted to board the bus and were rejected by him, since wearing masks in public transportation is mandatory.

Personally I avoid trains completely currently, it was safer three months ago to go by train, since almost nobody used them over here at that time, the trains were empty and everybody using them, wore a mask in full compliance. Today the trains are crowded again, and a third of the people do not wear masks, although they must. But the Deutsche Bahn says it has no police authprity to enforce it, and so nobody rejecting to wear face masks in trains must fear any consequences except maybe angry looks by others. But even these angry looks are not dared often, sicne many mask-violators are easiyl turnign aggressive and bullying.

I am priviliged since I do not depend on public transportation and have no daily time tables anymore (I have no car, only bicycles).

In busses it is even worse again these days.

Jimbuna

07-07-20, 05:19 AM

by slain I assume you mean killed, if so by whom? :hmmm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53309424

Skybird

07-07-20, 05:22 AM

More and more, neural and brain damages move into the focus of medical researchers. Dizziness, headaches and migraines, halluzinations and neural degenerations that are irreversible, all are being caused by this virus.

Lungs, blood vessels, blood cells, clotting mechanism, kidneys, liver, colon, neurons, brain - I wonder if there is any organ left in the body that is not being attacked by this virus. It even sometimes attacks and kills the immune system's T-cells.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/28/health/coronavirus-delirium-hallucinations.html

Jimbuna

07-07-20, 05:23 AM

Five million residents to return to stay-at-home restrictions for six weeks after a surge in cases in the Australian state of Victoria.

Border between Victoria and NSW to close at midnight (14:00 GMT)

Victoria recorded 191 new infections on Tuesday, its highest one-day figure since the pandemic began.

A new Spanish study casts doubt on the theory that herd immunity will protect populations.

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro is tested after showing symptoms of the coronavirus.

A UN report says diseases will keep leaping from animals to humans without action to protect the environment.

Three UK pubs which re-opened at the weekend have had to close after customers tested positive.

There have been more than 11.5 million cases globally and more than 530,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-07-20, 05:29 AM

Authorities imposed a local lockdown around the German city of Gütersloh after an outbreak at a meatpacking plant. But a court has now overruled it, arguing that it was disproportionate to lock down the whole district.

Belgium is asking tourists returning from areas with strict lockdown measures still in place to quarantine for 14 days. It comes after the government decided on Monday it would not further open its borders to an EU “safe list” of 15 non-EU countries.

Sweden has imposed a social-distancing rule of at least one metre in bars, pubs and restaurants. Critics say the Swedish government’s advice on social distancing has been vague and inconsistent throughout the pandemic.

The Rodin museum is reopening in Paris, the latest tourist attraction to open its doors after the government eased restrictions. Tourists were allowed into the Louvre on Monday for the first time since March, albeit under strict new rules.

vienna

07-07-20, 06:04 AM

vienna

07-07-20, 07:31 AM

Found this amusing:

GOP Congressman’s Argument Against Mandated Mask Wearing, Vaccinations Goes Awry --

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/thomas-massie-coronavirus-masks-fact-check_n_5f0423b8c5b6e97b56897f47

Simple fact-checking before posting to Twitter would seem to be a good idea, but, then again, the guy would have to have an actual clue... :haha:

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u crank

07-07-20, 07:57 AM

Found this amusing:

Simple fact-checking before posting to Twitter would seem to be a good idea, but, then again, the guy would have to have an actual clue... :haha:

It is amusing that one of the Twitter responses is from one Ida Bae Wells aka Nikole Hannah-Jones. Jones of course is the author of the historically misleading and inaccurate 1619 Project for which she was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for Commentary.

Why do people who write things like this never seemed to have bothered to study even cursory history?

It's a good question.

Skybird

07-07-20, 08:27 AM

There seems to be a marked trend in the shockingly high Covid-19 rate in meatpacking, slaughtering, etc., and I find that interesting since the original infection ground zero was in a 'wet market' in the Wuhan area of China; it seems unlikely there is no correlation between Covid-19 and the concentration of infections in that particular industry in various countries around the world; I've been trying to find some specific reportage on any possible links between the industry and the high rate of infection, but have had little luck; has any one seen anything related to a possible reason for the high rates...?...

Plenty of moisture in the air, wet surfaces, plenty of aerosols from workers standing side by side, workers are foreign workers livbing crowded in isolated houses with 8-12 men in one sleeping room, no social distancing possible, cold temperature - ideal breeding grounds for many virusses. In nature you find virusses not in the open, sun-lit, dry places, but either in living organisms or in caves' dark, wet, cooler insides.

Covid 19 virusses are suspected to survive on frozen food for over one year.

Grimuar

07-07-20, 08:39 AM

vienna

07-07-20, 09:07 AM

Another case for fact checking before making statements that may come back to bite you:

White House defends Trump's claim that 99 percent of COVID-19 cases are 'harmless' with chart showing 5 percent are fatal --

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-99-percent-coronavirus-cases-totally-harmless-claim-mcenany-white-house-191725001.html

It kind of reminds me of the stories you see in history of minions trying to make their leaders look good while basically making the situation worse; 'Why, yes, Mein Fuhrer, your bold plans are working perfectly and those really aren't Russians at the city limits...'...

What is needed in situations like this is considered leadership, not Potemkin political ploys...

This is the reason so many Americans have far more faith and confidence in people like Drs. Fauchi and Birx than they do in the White House or state Governors...

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Skybird

07-07-20, 09:10 AM

Where did you get this from? I mean hallucinations and neural degenerations
Findings I read over the past weeks here and there, both international and German sources. And the NYT article I just linked above. I do not keep log of just every click I did. That article in the NYT however already has it in its headline, talking of delirium and paranoid hallucinations. ;)

That Covid 19 attacks the brain is being suspected since longer than just the imminent past already. I stumbled over several such mentionings in the past two months or longer.

The virus'S identified attack list grew longer and longer since the pandemic began. Some medical scientists see it as a desease of the blood vessel system in the main, to explain why it so wildy spreads all over the body. I do not now if that maybe already is outdated again, I mean to exclusively reduce an explanation attempt to just this, "blood vessels explain it all". It seems Covid 19 syndrome becomes the more complex the more they learn about it.

Skybird

07-07-20, 09:24 AM

I assume many know who Richard Quest is, if not by name, then by his face on CNN,his face and penetrating voice are quite known. This is his experience with Covid-19.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-wellness-intl/index.html

And he says he had the "mild" form of Covid-19.

Thanks, I pass.

Skybird

07-07-20, 11:03 AM

Here is Brazilians' and the world's chance to get rid of the fascist scourge ruining the state, massacring Indian natives, destroying the rain forest and spreading the pandemic: Bolsonaro tested positive for Covid-19 and has symptoms. :yeah: Maybe fate this time knows a little bit of justice.

Jimbuna

07-07-20, 11:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsBgAI0qc4

Jimbuna

07-07-20, 11:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEvdkvxjB0s

em2nought

07-07-20, 01:04 PM

More and more, brain damages move into the focus of medical researchers.

Just great, even more democrats. :D

Skybird

07-07-20, 01:36 PM

I admit that return came unexpected. :haha:

However, I am no Dem fan myself. ;)

Skybird

07-07-20, 01:48 PM

WHO slowly moves on heightened alertness for air transmissions reaching beyond just 2m.

Chose "pdf".

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa939/5867798?searchresult=1

While fine aerosol droplets s hold smaller virus loads, I assume that these smaller loads neverthless are dangerous because finer droplets get breathed in much deeper into the lungs than bigger droplets. I stick to it, and this is known to speed up infection tiem and so leavign the immune system lesser time to form antibodies before the virus reaches critical numbers: there is a long since known link between severity of infection, and virus load at the time of exposition. Avoid being together with people in closed rooms if you can, in the open stay 8-10m away, and have the wind and the other person never in your face. If you can smell the other, you are standing wrong. :)

Onkel Neal

07-07-20, 08:25 PM

Just great, even more democrats. :D

Lol, funny post of the year material.

Except it's not funny because it's true...? :06:

Buddahaid

07-07-20, 11:04 PM

the hard kernel of truth is what makes all humor humorous....until you break the large bone in your forearm:hmmm:

Ouch, but heard.

Aktungbby

07-07-20, 11:11 PM

Ouch, but heard.EDIT: my anatomy is slipping; I meant the 'humerus' of the upper arm, not the 'ulna' of the forearm...:shucks:

Buddahaid

07-07-20, 11:25 PM

Still pretty quiet on the NC Providence scale. Stay in tune.

Mr Quatro

07-08-20, 12:17 AM

Lol, funny post of the year material.

Except it's not funny because it's true...? :06:

Depending on your location we could all be dead, sick, quarantined or dying by January 2021 :o

Jimbuna

07-08-20, 04:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2V83kIfFAU

Jimbuna

07-08-20, 04:47 AM

California and Texas report more than 10,000 new cases in a day - Reuters tally shows.

President Trump says he thinks the US is "in a good place"

UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak set to announce £2bn ($2.5bn) to create jobs for young people.

Serbs angered at the government's handling of the pandemic clash with police in Belgrade.

WHO says there is emerging evidence the virus can spread through particles in the air.

Melbourne is set to go back into a second lockdown after a surge in cases.

There are now almost 11.8 million confirmed cases globally and more than 540,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-08-20, 04:57 AM

A Covid-19 patient who escaped quarantine at a hotel in Auckland, New Zealand, and then went shopping will face charges, officials say.

Colombia is extending its nationwide lockdown by more than two weeks after reported cases and deaths accelerated in several cities, President Iván Duque has said.

France's new Prime Minister Jean Castex has warned that a new major coronavirus outbreak in the country could prove irreversibly damaging.

China has criticised US plans to withdraw from the World Health Organization (WHO), saying that the move will have grave implications for developing countries.

In her first trip abroad since the pandemic began, German Chancellor Angela Merkel is heading to Brussels to discuss how the EU can best respond to the crisis. While the EU has proposed a €750 billion rescue package for the bloc, a number of European nations – notably the Netherlands – oppose the plan.

France’s director general of health Jérôme Salomon has told Le Figaro newspaper that the country must prepare for a second wave. “Each and every one of us must continue to respect barrier measures, hygiene measures, physical distancing and wearing a mask,” he said.

Catalonia is expected to make face-mask use compulsory, even outdoors, on Wednesday as officials deal with a fresh outbreak in Lleida province. “We are seeing some relaxed attitudes,” said Catalan government spokesperson Meritxell Budó. “By making it mandatory, we will ensure that those attitudes do not exist”

Gatherings of up to 100 people are now allowed in Denmark as the country further eases its restrictions. The Nordic country was one of the first to go into lockdown in March and one of the first to lift measures, allowing hairdressers to reopen as early as April.

Mumbai, one of India's biggest coronavirus hotspots, has become the country's first city to open up testing to everyone.

Nigeria recorded the second-highest increase in deaths from Covid-19 after South Africa in the WHO report for 1 July. Nigeria has the third-highest number of confirmed infections after South Africa and Egypt.

Mr Quatro

07-08-20, 09:58 AM

California and Texas report more than 10,000 new cases in a day - Reuters tally shows.

Lots of new cases, but how many had no symptoms? How many didn't know that they were a carrier of Covid-19 and were spreading it around to 9 or 10 more people at parties?

Lots of questions for a new virus that we don't even have answers for.

My advice is to stock up on more masks ... the law will get stricter in some areas of the country. :yep:

Mr Quatro

07-08-20, 10:21 AM

Just did a quick survey and found it odd

Mumbai, India Also known as Bombay until 1955 has recorded 5,000 deaths from Covid-19

Mexico City has recorded 7,000 deaths from Covid-19

Los Angeles County has recorded 3,500 deaths from Covid 19

I wonder who's doing the counting?

Jimbuna

07-08-20, 10:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fclDTzvmXOI

Jimbuna

07-08-20, 10:32 AM

United States registers record daily tally of new cases - 60,000

UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak cuts VAT in emergency plan to save jobs.

The UK government will also pay a bonus to firms that keep furloughed workers employed.

Harvard University and MIT sue over online learning visa curbs.

Second lockdown starts in Melbourne - for six weeks.

New French PM rules out another general lockdown.

Global totals - more than 11.8 million confirmed cases and over 544,000 deaths.

Jimbuna

07-08-20, 10:36 AM

A further 42 people who tested positive for Covid-19 have died, bringing the total number of confirmed deaths reported in hospitals in England to 28,969, NHS England has said.
Patients were aged between 22 and 100 years old. Six patients, aged between 60 and 94, had no known underlying health conditions.

Romania has reported its highest daily number of infections since the country's first case of coronavirus was confirmed.
The record tally of 555 new cases over a 24-hour period brings Romania's total to 30,175 infections, the government said today.

The US has registered more than 60,000 new confirmed cases in the last 24 hours - a record high figure for the country. It comes as California and Texas each reported more than 10,000 new daily cases.

Meanwhile, elite universities Harvard and MIT are suing the US government over an immigration rule that would force international students to leave the country if their colleges don't hold in-person classes in autumn.

In the UK, Chancellor Rishi Sunak has announced a package of measures aimed at combating some of the economic damage caused by the virus. This includes a £2bn ($2.52bn) "kickstart scheme" to create jobs for young people, a six-month cut in Value Added Tax on hospitality and tourism from 20% to 5%, and discounts for diners when they eat out - branded the "Eat Out to Help Out" deal.

Brazilian ministers who've recently come into contact with President Jair Bolsonaro are being tested for coronavirus, after he announced he had tested positive yesterday. Bolsonaro insisted he was already feeling "fine", and posted a video online of himself taking the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine.

France's new Prime Minister Jean Castex has ruled out imposing another national lockdown if there's a resurgence of coronavirus cases in the country.

Melbourne, Australia's second-largest city, has now gone into lockdown again after a surge in cases.

A 32-year-old man with Covid-19 is facing charges in New Zealand for escaping quarantine at a hotel in Auckland, going shopping and taking selfies in a nearby supermarket.

China has criticised the US's withdrawal from the World Health Organization (WHO), saying the decision will have grave implications for developing countries.

Mumbai has become the first city in India to open up coronavirus testing to everyone. It's one of the country's virus hotspots, with about 86,500 cases.