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Mr Quatro
04-07-20, 12:27 PM
Try not to focus on the numbers, at least not yet.
Once the surge slows down, we'll have better data. Right now, its like watching a water fall and trying to figure out how many gallons/second.
But who's doing the reporting? How do they really know that the surge is the peak and that it is going down?
over 310 million people with how many left to test?
I'm not focusing on anything, but how much longer till this lock down/shut down is over :yep:
Its not like an election where you have exit polling.
Keep in mind that there will still be new cases after the peak (whenever it happens) and we'll still need to hunker for several weeks afterward.
over 310 million people with how many left to test? at this point it depends on how many people display symptoms.Why get tested if you don't have symptoms?
Onkel Neal
04-07-20, 01:20 PM
There's an old maxim about searching for the truth in political matters: "Follow the Money"...
I had suspicions there was a lees than altruistic or humanitarian or compassionate motivation behind Trump's aggressive touting of hydroxychloroquine and Trump, once again, does not disappoint; it is well known Trump does nothing nor advocate anything unless there is profit in it for him; with the health, well-being and, in many cases, the lives of those afflicted by Covid-19 at stake, Trump acts less like a compassionate leader and more like a venal Ferengi...
Donald Trump Has Stake In Hydroxychloroquine Drugmaker: Report --
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-stake-company-hydroxychloroquine_n_5e8c41d7c5b6e1d10a696280
Well, you know, a snakeoil salesmans gotta sell the snakeoil.
That is somewhat correct but ....
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo: “It is about the vulnerable. It's not about 95% of us. It's about a few percent who are vulnerable. That's all this is about. Bring down that anxiety, bring down that fear, bring down that paranoia.”
New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio: "I'm encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives: get out on the town despite Coronavirus.”
Oxiris Barbot, New York City health commissioner: “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.”
That's 100% valid but you will never hear an anti-Trumper making a peep about that.
Jimbuna
04-07-20, 01:24 PM
The number of coronavirus cases in the UK "could be moving in the right direction", the government's chief scientific adviser has said.
Speaking at the daily Downing Street briefing, Sir Patrick Vallance said it was "possible that we're beginning to see... the curve flattening".
He added, however, it would be another "week or so" before he could be sure.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52206510
Far too early to say in my estimation.
Didn't they say this about Spain or Italy a couple of days back and the figures shot up again?
Why get tested if you don't have symptoms?
Evidence suggests that you don't need symptoms to spread the virus. That should mean that everyone on the planet gets a test on the same day but practically its impossible.
Mr Quatro
04-07-20, 02:29 PM
I like this one :up:
https://scontent.ffar2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92680085_2570290489917876_7026745162600546304_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQn2iRj7iFs5X9pnpZM8HAzqkvxoHBHm02VlX4FmHKI kbQAlk7GhOLTej_pGBcz7H8c&_nc_ht=scontent.ffar2-1.fna&oh=f455709fa36f943c912048b2999bb454&oe=5EB27DE7
Well, you know, a snakeoil salesmans gotta sell the snakeoil.
Except like usual it's bull:
John Dillard, a spokesperson for Fisher Investments, called the Times article a “false report” and said Sanofi “is neither a material holding of Fisher Investments nor of Ken Fisher personally.”
AVGWarhawk
04-07-20, 03:17 PM
Well, you know, a snakeoil salesmans gotta sell the snakeoil.
Hydroxychloroquine that prevents the malaria bacteria from attacking the affected persons hemoglobin also prevents COVID-19 from attacking the hemoglobin. COVID-19 goes after the O2 carrying hemoglobin. The body gets less O2 saturation over time. The drug does not go after the COVID-19 virus. The drug prevents the virus from going after hemoglobin that carries O2 to the bodies organs.
The problem with Hydroxychloroquine is that the study was very limited (30 patients?) and the response falls under "Try ANYTHING!!". By that logic, I could shoot a laser at the moon to kill Covid-19 with an equal chance of success.
I've been pondering if I should post this or not.:hmmm:
A while ago (over ten years) I was diagnosed with MS. That is one heck of a chat with your doctor. :o It takes time to process that kind of news and figure out how to cope with it.
One thing I did learn quickly was that there were scores of "cures" for MS. Never-mind that the medical community still didn't fully understand the disease or its cause or that there were already treatments to help me manage the disease, I could cure the darned thing if I wore the magnets, or had some radical surgery to "shock my system" (not in the US, of course), or even swallow a pill of "stem cells" that would miraculously migrate from my digestive system into my blood stream. :o
When you're desperate, its much easier to just believe anything. :yep:
Meanwhile, I did find a good combo of meds for my MS and I'll probably walk half a mile to the grocery store this week. :D
..and there still won't be any paper towels or TP. :doh:
Anyway, the main med I take is a form of Interferon. In my case, the interferon actually attaches a long string of protein to any white blood cell that attacks it. Those cells can no longer attack the outer covering of my nerve cells (which is the big pain of MS). Now, is Interferon the magic bullet that could kill Covid-19? I highly doubt it. Will someone make that claim by next month? Probably. These are desperate times and #### floats.
That's the danger of "Try anything, what have you got to lose?". It takes the meds people already need and throws them on to the open market for the highest bidder. Much like injecting Insulin to lose weight over-night, you may as well try it. :doh:
I take another med for MS that's actually prescribed off-label. The med is an anti-bacterial that was found to be helpful with a condition we call "MS Fatigue" ("fatigue" isn't even close, if you don't lay down NOW you're going to fall down). This is a generic med and why it works on MS fatigue, no one knows. Yet. Eventually, they'll figure it out. Would that be helpful with Covid-19?
No idea, Covid-19 is still new enough that there's a lot of mystery left to solve.
The great Danish experiment.
From Wednesday next week the Danish government have decided to slowly open the society again and they will do so with the youngest in the country, by opening the kindergarten and school for kids from age 5 to 10/12 years of age.
According to the Danish health authorities this step by the Danish government is to get these kids infected.
I think the reason to this could be -
Kids have to highest chance for surviving this corona and it will infect us all, beside it will return this autumn and then it's good if the kids and our young people have developed an immunity towards this corona infection.
Country like Denmark can't effort another shutdown of the society as we are experience right now.
Markus
em2nought
04-07-20, 07:09 PM
That's the danger of "Try anything, what have you got to lose?". It takes the meds people already need and throws them on to the open market for the highest bidder.
They've ramped up production so I don't think people with malaria are gonna have a problem finding their meds.
They've ramped up production so I don't think people with malaria are gonna have a problem finding their meds.
And you know it works because?? :timeout:
The anti-bacterial med I take was trialed several times in blind studies. The results took a couple of years due to peer review. I know how much to take per day. I know if I take it for more than a week in a row it will bind me up (check out one of those pro-biotic yogurt commercials, this med woks in reverse).
Trust me, I know how "desperate" feels. :yep: I've been there. Yes, they can make a lot of pills but what if they don't work?
Rockstar
04-07-20, 08:02 PM
There has been much written in professional medical journals about the the possibilities of certain medications and therapy including Hydroxychloroquine. Just because there hasn't been a controlled trial to determine its effectiveness is no justification for not trying it. Because what if it does help?
Just because there hasn't been a controlled trial to determine its effectiveness is no justification for not trying it. Because what if it does help?
Seriously? :o
What if we also throw in a witch doctor just to cover all of the bases?
Rockstar
04-07-20, 08:27 PM
Seriously? :o
What if we also throw in a witch doctor just to cover all of the bases?
Its in medical journals because it has been considered by doctors in a number of countries including our own, because they actually know how it works, as a POSSIBLE treatment. So yes, if my choice is between doing nothing or taking what has been considered by professional medical doctors as something that MAY increase a chance of survival, then sign me up. Then there's that thing called the placebo effect which one theory has it if a person expects a pill to do something, then it's possible that the body's own chemistry can cause effects similar to what a medication might have caused. But if you think a witch doctor will do you some good go ahead and try it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPVG_n3w_vM
This is a good interview. Remember, we're all in the same boat. :up:
Buddahaid
04-07-20, 10:58 PM
Reading now how Trump is now blaming WHO for bad advice. Really? Like I said weeks ago, he'll blame anybody and anything but himself. What a monumental turd.
Evidence suggests that you don't need symptoms to spread the virus. That should mean that everyone on the planet gets a test on the same day but practically its impossible.
I was thinking more along the lines of, I could test negative and get infected 20 min after the test. So unless I have symptoms (or someone I have close contact with has symptoms) it is a waste of resources.
Reading now how Trump is now blaming WHO for bad advice. Really? Like I said weeks ago, he'll blame anybody and anything but himself. What a monumental turd. There's an old adage: Believe nothing you hear and and only half of what you see.
Mr Quatro
04-07-20, 11:48 PM
There's an old adage: Believe nothing you hear and and only half of what you see.
another one: "Be quick to listen and slow to speak" :yep:
another one: "Be quick to listen and slow to speak" :yep:
Someone should send that to Trump... ASAP...
...not that he would either read or listen to it ...
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Skybird
04-08-20, 03:48 AM
Reading now how Trump is now blaming WHO for bad advice. Really? Like I said weeks ago, he'll blame anybody and anything but himself. What a monumental turd.
While he messed up things awfully, the WHO also messed up awfully - AND STILL DOES.
Every penny paid to them seems to be a penny wasted. And they still spread their anti-mask propaganda and deny latest findings about aerosols.
Like so many UN offices, this one too is not good for much. Membership fees should be cancelled, international projects instead directly funded. That way the useless officials could be skipped.
Jimbuna
04-08-20, 04:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL5qEluaBhc
Jimbuna
04-08-20, 04:58 AM
People are leaving Wuhan for the first time after the lockdown was partially lifted.
Some 200 flights are scheduled to leave the city on Wednesday.
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is "comfortable" after a second night in intensive care.
London Mayor Sadiq Khan says of the UK; "We are nowhere near lifting the lockdown"
In Germany, infections have passed the 100,000 mark.
The European Union's top scientist has resigned, condemning the EU's 'disappointing' response.
Talks on how to help Eurozone countries badly affected by the coronavirus epidemic are suspended.
Coronavirus: Tesco tells people to visit stores to get food
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52211912
So much for there BS promises we can deliver. Just like the rest you have failed big time, so its pocket the profit from panic buying and stuff you who have to take a chance going out. :nope:
Jimbuna
04-08-20, 05:52 AM
Have you actually read the article and taken into consideration the unprecedented circumstances.
Here's a few of the facts:
The supermarket giant said it wasn't able to meet demand as more shoppers stay at home, despite the fact it has increased its online grocery shopping capacity by more than 20%.
It said in the first weeks of the virus, there was "significant panic buying", with sales up almost a third.
Mr Lewis said that during its peak week of stockpiling, Tesco sold:
3.1 million containers of liquid soap, an increase of 363%
6 million tins of beans, more than double the usual amount
3.3 million tins of tomatoes, up 115% compared to a typical week
3.6 million packets of toilet roll, an increase of 76%
Mr Lewis said that Tesco normally operates 660,000 home delivery slots but it is now running around 805,000.
He said that last Friday night, the government gave Tesco a list of 110,000 names of people it classed as vulnerable. The supermarket has contacted these people and offered them slots.
Tesco said the virus could add almost £1bn in extra costs due to extra staff and store expenses. It said it had already experienced a "significant absence" of staff amid the virus and had recruited more than 45,000 new staff over the past two weeks to cope with the heightened demand.
Mr Lewis said some 50,000 colleagues have been absent out of about 320,000 employees.
The chief executive Dave Lewis is obviously doing something wrong in your opinion I suspect.
Send your cv into them with a note stating you could run the company much better :haha:
OH, don't forget those profits you mentioned. They are actually down by 19%
THEY MADE PROMISES THEY CLEARLY COULD NOT KEEP ABOUT DELIVERING!
shove that BS up your jumper, I was thinking of my parents who are in the very high at risk group!
I am finished here.
Jimbuna
04-08-20, 06:12 AM
THEY MADE PROMISES THEY CLEARLY COULD NOT KEEP ABOUT DELIVERING!
shove that BS up your jumper, I was thinking of my parents who are in the very high at risk group!
I am finished here.
QFT
Moonlight
04-08-20, 07:09 AM
THEY MADE PROMISES THEY CLEARLY COULD NOT KEEP ABOUT DELIVERING!
shove that BS up your jumper, I was thinking of my parents who are in the very high at risk group!
I am finished here.
If you get this Chinese Virus you could end up being finished on planet earth as well. :haha:
Not my mate STEED, I would be very sad! :wah:
ikalugin
04-08-20, 10:49 AM
Comparison in the change of road traffic.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656437036835667988/697472885543141463/unknown.png
Source:
https://www.rystadenergy.com/globalassets/pdfs/rystad-energy_covid-19-report_7-april_2020_final-public-version.pdf
Skybird
04-08-20, 10:57 AM
Self-made masks are not really acceptable, they do not really protect the wearing person and not the others. After all that propaganda lies against using masks, owing to the fact that there are not enough, lets be realistic and get the production finally - finally!! - started all over the world. There is no alternative to FFP masks, period. Every other claim simply holds no substance.
And yes, people should wear these masks in town, in crowded places, and in all and every public room and shop and compartment.
In the corona crisis, long forgotten devices in the attic become attractive again. For example sewing machines: Because professional protective products are missing in many places, more and more people are making mouth-nose protectors (MNS) from fabric at home. (You can find instructions here.)
Basically, a mask can have two functions: First, it can protect other people. Ideally, anyone who is infected would spread fewer viruses around them. "Anything that minimizes the risk of infection is currently welcome," says Gerd Antes, an expert in medical statistics at the University of Freiburg. The World Health Organization (WHO) announced this week for the first time that masks could actually help to spread the Sars-CoV-2 virus.
However: "Under no circumstances should wearing an MNS or a mouth and nose covering lead to the fact that distance rules are no longer observed or recommendations for coughing and sneezing and hand hygiene are no longer implemented," warns the Robert Koch Institute. Anyone who thinks they are infected should not go out with people anyway. Not even with a mask.
A team led by Sung-Han Kim from the Asan Medical Center in Seoul reports in a recent study in the specialist magazine "Annals of Internal Medicine" that neither their professional mouth-nose protection nor a tailored model made of cotton fabric were able to Withhold Sars-CoV-2 pathogens. The researchers had four patients with Covid-19 cough on a petri dish 20 centimeters in front of their face. Then they determined the number of pathogens that had arrived there. In all three cases examined - without mouth protection, with a professional surgical mask and with a model made of fabric - large amounts of viruses were detected.
By contrast, at the end of last week a team led by Benjamin Cowling from the University of Hong Kong in the journal "Nature Medicine" reported on a study that was supposed to prove the effect of mouth-nose protection on virus retention. It was performed using a different methodology with the help of 250 patients who complained of symptoms such as fever, cough or sore throat.
Breathed in the funnel for half an hour
The subjects were infected with various types of viruses, and a total of 17 percent were found to have coronaviruses - but not of the Sars-CoV-2 type, because the study was running before the pathogen became known. However, according to Cowling, the size of the viruses is very similar, so the novel corona virus should behave in a comparable manner.
Half of the patients were given commercially produced surgical masks and put them on themselves, while the other half had their faces completely uncovered. Then everyone had to breathe into a machine with a kind of funnel for half an hour and cough if necessary. It was found that the coronaviruses were retained in all cases in the patients with masks. They were not detectable in the exhaled air either in droplets or in the form of fine aerosols.
However, and this is an important limitation, the trials in Hong Kong were not carried out with self-made face shields, but with professionally made ones. A study from Great Britain, which is already some years old, indicates that self-made masks could deliver worse results.
At that time, researchers compared the efficiency of masks made from T-shirt fabric to retain influenza viruses with a commercially available product. On the one hand, it was shown that self-made masks are generally better than nothing. At the same time, however, they only achieved around a third of the restraining power of the surgical masks. This obviously has to do with the fact that the self-made masks simply don't fit so well.
"... but you also have to breathe"
In theory, a second function of mouth-nose masks could also be self-protection against the Sars-CoV-2 virus. This usually requires special masks of the FFP-2 or FFP-3 standards, which are particularly scarce. "FFP2 / 3 masks should continue to be reserved for the medical, nursing and special professional groups," wrote the National Academy of Sciences, Leopoldina, in its latest statement.
Could cloth masks also protect against the virus to a certain extent? "Mouth and nose protection also serves directly to protect yourself to a limited extent," writes the Leopoldina. Manufacturers of professional protective equipment, on the other hand, say that simple textiles do not protect against pathogens - because they do not have a filter: Textile masks "might help against the cold or the sun, but not against viruses".
But what if you upgraded the fabric masks you made yourself with a filter? Some researchers are now investigating possible material for this. This must not allow viruses to pass through, but air must still be able to pass through as well as possible. "You need something that removes particles efficiently, but you also need to breathe," environmental engineer Yang Wang of the Missouri University of Science and Technology summarized the problem in the New York Times.
For example, Wang experimented with filters used in air conditioners. Arranged in several layers, these could in principle retain up to 95 percent of the particles. However, they pose health risks - because they can release fibers that can then be inhaled and damage the lungs. This is not an option for self-made.
A vacuum cleaner bag? The manufacturer warns of this
Similar problems could also arise with the use of vacuum cleaner bags for filter construction. These could also contain glass fibers. Interior designer Jiangmei Wu from Indiana University developed the instructions for an origami mask that is made from vacuum cleaner bags. However, it is important that it uses material without glass fibers.
According to the New York Times, tests at Missouri University and the University of Virginia have shown that vacuum cleaner bags can reduce particle pollution by 60 to 87 percent. However, manufacturers such as the Melitta Group explicitly warn against the use of vacuum cleaner bags. Corona viruses are smaller than the fine dust for which the filter was developed. In addition, the fit of self-made masks is bad.
Simple test when looking into the light
Wang's team also experimented with multiple layers of fabric, one on top of the other. Specifically, he used pillowcases made of high-quality fabric with a thread count of 600, so the fabric has 600 horizontal and vertical threads per square centimeter. A double layer of such material held back 22 percent of the particles, four layers of fabric on top of each other reached a value of almost 60 percent. In the test, a double-layered scarf made of thick wool yarn had a filter performance of 21 percent, a double-layered bandana made of cotton a good 18 percent. It is not much.
Anesthetist Scott Segal from the Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center in Winston-Salem (North Carolina) also found out how useful at least several layers of fabric can be. He has a comparatively simple tip: You have to hold the self-made fabric mask against the light. If it seems "really light" through the fibers, it is "not a good fabric". If, on the other hand, it is "a denser mesh", "then this is the material that you want to use".
A possible insert for self-made fabric masks could theoretically also be coffee filters. Here, Yang's team came up with a filter performance of 40 to 50 percent in the experiments. However, three layers of filter paper had to be placed on top of each other. In this case, breathing is difficult, the scientists say. This option is also suboptimal.
So what's left? The results of Wang and Segal have so far not been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. There is no recipe for the perfect self-made mask. The discussion about this will certainly continue, at the latest when the currently strict starting and contact rules end. Because: "A gradual relaxation of the restrictions", writes the Leopoldina, "should go hand in hand with the full coverage of mouth and nose protection". Bavaria's Prime Minister Söder claims that mask masking is coming.
Sad that something obvious since weeks and months must be defended against the most irrational and stupid lies one could imagine. Macronman for example until today claims that masks even do the opposite and are a health hazard to people wearing them.
Quite some people become angry if you tell them obvious blatant lies time and again, crowds are stupid - but this stupid they are not. Angry they become because it is offensive if you tell somebody to his face that you take him as an intellectually incapacitated total idiot.
What? There are too few FFP masks? They talk about billions and trillions and move heaven and earth and have other branches of indutstry chiming in into producing ventilators and life support devices - but since weeks cannot get the emergency quick-building of new factories for FFP masks in all Western countries started although quite some companies stand ready to produce both filter material and fibres if their requests for credit securities wpould be met with a bit more wellmeaning...??? Fire this useless political personnel then! I thought we are in a desperate emergency...? And all they get managed is that a few T-Shirt preducers now knit oridnary textile masks of questionable medical value? Sorry, dear drama conductors, that is unacceptable as a performance.
Los Angeles, and some of the adjacent cities and counties, have just in the last couple of days passed ordinances mandating, under penalty of law, all persons to wear some sort of face mask while outside; the Los Angeles City law goes into effect on Friday and also prohibits the wearing of N95 masks unless the wearer is an actual essential service-giver (medical, first responders, etc.); the LA ordinance also requires all store clerks and other who interact with the public to wear mask either provided by their employers or reimbursed by their employer for the cost of purchasing masks; additionally, stores and other businesses are now authorized to deny service to any person who shows up not wearing a mask...
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Jimbuna
04-08-20, 11:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJkmJazNZQ
Skybird
04-08-20, 11:09 AM
Singapore, considered as one of the gold standards for how to tackle the corona virus successfully, seems to finally lose control. It struggles not to get toppled by the feared boomerang effect of the virus'S second wave attack.
That is the problem: we buy time with lock down and and isolation and quarantining, but we do not heal the desease. We just buy time, and need to hold out until a vaccine is available.
Jimbuna
04-08-20, 11:37 AM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson is "improving" after two nights in intensive care with coronavirus, Chancellor Rishi Sunak has said.
The chancellor said Mr Johnson was "sitting up in bed and engaging positively with the clinical team".
Mr Quatro
04-08-20, 11:52 AM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson is "improving" after two nights in intensive care with coronavirus, Chancellor Rishi Sunak has said.
The chancellor said Mr Johnson was "sitting up in bed and engaging positively with the clinical team".
Good news to my ears ... it's so hard to pray for one person when so many have needs, but I know all of England had his back :yep:
Jimbuna
04-08-20, 12:00 PM
Good news to my ears ... it's so hard to pray for one person when so many have needs, but I know all of England had his back :yep:
I'm not so sure the same could be said of Scotland :03:
Mr Quatro
04-08-20, 12:03 PM
Los Angeles, and some of the adjacent cities and counties, have just in the last couple of days passed ordinances mandating, under penalty of law, all persons to wear some sort of face mask while outside; the Los Angeles City law goes into effect on Friday and also prohibits the wearing of N95 masks unless the wearer is an actual essential service-giver (medical, first responders, etc.); the LA ordinance also requires all store clerks and other who interact with the public to wear mask either provided by their employers or reimbursed by their employer for the cost of purchasing masks; additionally, stores and other businesses are now authorized to deny service to any person who shows up not wearing a mask...
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Wow! If you were greedy and grabbed a lot of N95 mask you are out of luck, uh?
This new way of life in LA sounds like it might grow to other counties, other states until it is common law, which in turn means the lock downs/shut downs,
whatever you call them will be extended even after the curfew's so to speak.
April 30th will probably see another extension with new rules like you have to pass the new 45 minute virus test that says your okay to work :hmmm:
Onkel Neal
04-08-20, 12:26 PM
Wow! If you were greedy and grabbed a lot of N95 mask you are out of luck, uh?
That's California for you. Penalize those who think for themselves.
propbeanie
04-08-20, 12:28 PM
"What did the perpetrator look like mam?" - "I dunno, they were wearing a mask!"
Jimbuna
04-08-20, 01:12 PM
£750m to be split between small local charities, including hospices, and bigger organisations such as Oxfam and Age UK.
Total number of deaths in UK hospitals from coronavirus rises to 7,097 - a record increase of 938 in a day.
UK PM Boris Johnson remains in intensive care but is sitting up and engaging with clinical team, Mr Sunak says.
Deaths in Spain rise for a second consecutive day, to 14,555
There are more than 1.4 million confirmed cases worldwide.
London Mayor Sadiq Khan says of the UK: "We are nowhere near lifting the lockdown"
Chinese city of Wuhan, where outbreak began, allows people to leave for first time since lockdown began in January.
UK police tipped off over lockdown breaches
Crimestoppers, a UK crime-fighting charity, has passed on over 500 tip-offs to police about people breaking lockdown rules.
The anonymous service says it has received thousands of calls and emails relating to breaches of the restrictions but is only informing police about the most serious cases.
They include threats to infect or cough at people and parties being planned on social media.
Crimestoppers has also informed police about reports that pubs and restaurants have been operating.
Last week, it tipped off police 298 times - double the number the previous week.
Mr Quatro
04-08-20, 01:18 PM
London Mayor Sadiq Khan says of the UK: "We are nowhere near lifting the lockdown"
UK police tipped off over lockdown breaches
Crimestoppers, a UK crime-fighting charity, has passed on over 500 tip-offs to police about people breaking lockdown rules.
The anonymous service says it has received thousands of calls and emails relating to breaches of the restrictions but is only informing police about the most serious cases.
They include threats to infect or cough at people and parties being planned on social media.
Crimestoppers has also informed police about reports that pubs and restaurants have been operating.
Last week, it tipped off police 298 times - double the number the previous week.
New years eve is going to be a little different in the world this year, uh? :hmmm:
That's California for you. Penalize those who think for themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoA_zY6tqQw
:D
Now, think about it for a minute. This is Containment 101, the employees get furnished with masks and gloves because they have to be there if the store is open. For the customers, its still an option and you don't know if they even know how to wear a mask.
I'm OK with this.
In Iowa, its still the wild wild west. :timeout:
If you want to show up buck-###ed naked and sneezing, go for it. :doh:
Rockstar
04-08-20, 01:28 PM
The great Danish experiment.
From Wednesday next week the Danish government have decided to slowly open the society again and they will do so with the youngest in the country, by opening the kindergarten and school for kids from age 5 to 10/12 years of age.
According to the Danish health authorities this step by the Danish government is to get these kids infected.
I think the reason to this could be -
Kids have to highest chance for surviving this corona and it will infect us all, beside it will return this autumn and then it's good if the kids and our young people have developed an immunity towards this corona infection.
Country like Denmark can't effort another shutdown of the society as we are experience right now.
Markus
I think many countries are eager to get people back to past routines as soon as possible.
https://apnews.com/fab319a90ead9aae057f7fab059c2ccb
Also you might find this useful. It has most countries and all U.S. COVID forecasts and projections. https://covid19.healthdata.org/denmark
Things appear to be looking better all around for some. But the fat lady hasn't started singing yet.
Mr Quatro
04-08-20, 01:39 PM
I think many countries are eager to get people back to past routines as soon as possible.
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Things appear to be looking better all around for some. But the fat lady hasn't started singing yet.
Better be safe by football season :up:
The 2020 NFL Preseason Schedule kicks off with the NFL/Hall of Fame Game in Canton, Ohio, on Thursday, August 6th, 2020
Dallas Cowboys will take on Pittsburgh Steelers
I think many countries are eager to get people back to past routines as soon as possible.
https://apnews.com/fab319a90ead9aae057f7fab059c2ccb
Also you might find this useful. It has most countries and all U.S. COVID forecasts and projections. https://covid19.healthdata.org/denmark
Things appear to be looking better all around for some. But the fat lady hasn't started singing yet.
The Danes are really on the move-Have seen hundreds of bulletins and comments where parents are angry, having something to say about this step by the Danish government.
Which is funny and here is the reason
During the epidemic in Denmark i could see on friends and friends walls a picture showing the leader of Danish Serum institute with a text below
In the end of this text it is written.
"When he says jump. You do not questioning his order, you only reply with how high"
And now the same people is questioning his command.
Secondly.
The government have also decided to test important people to the society to see if they have developed anti-something, if so they can go back to their job or continue.
Markus
Mr Quatro
04-08-20, 02:34 PM
The Danes are really on the move-Have seen hundreds of bulletins and comments where parents are angry, having something to say about this step by the Danish government.
Which is funny and here is the reason
During the epidemic in Denmark i could see on friends and friends walls a picture showing the leader of Danish Serum institute with a text below
In the end of this text it is written.
"When he says jump. You do not questioning his order, you only reply with how high"
And now the same people is questioning his command.
Secondly.
The government have also decided to test important people to the society to see if they have developed anti-something, if so they can go back to their job or continue.
Markus
Perhaps not in your country or my country Markus, but in many 3rd world countries there will be riots for food, people demanding the government to give them food and protection from this virus Covid-19 that is causing the lockdowns. :yep:
Perhaps not in your country or my country Markus, but in many 3rd world countries there will be riots for food, people demanding the government to give them food and protection from this virus Covid-19 that is causing the lockdowns. :yep:
3rd world countries.
I would not be surprised if the next epicentrum for this corona virus will be Africa.
Right now it is New York.
Markus
Catfish
04-08-20, 02:46 PM
^ true.. but think about the testing in Africa. I think it is much worse, it is just no one does real tests to create any statistics.
I also do not see China do anything about this situation despite them interfering and investing heavily there.
ikalugin
04-08-20, 03:12 PM
Self-made masks are not really acceptable, they do not really protect the wearing person and not the others. After all that propaganda lies against using masks, owing to the fact that there are not enough, lets be realistic and get the production finally - finally!! - started all over the world. There is no alternative to FFP masks, period. Every other claim simply holds no substance.
And yes, people should wear these masks in town, in crowded places, and in all and every public room and shop and compartment.
Sad that something obvious since weeks and months must be defended against the most irrational and stupid lies one could imagine. Macronman for example until today claims that masks even do the opposite and are a health hazard to people wearing them.
Quite some people become angry if you tell them obvious blatant lies time and again, crowds are stupid - but this stupid they are not. Angry they become because it is offensive if you tell somebody to his face that you take him as an intellectually incapacitated total idiot.
What? There are too few FFP masks? They talk about billions and trillions and move heaven and earth and have other branches of indutstry chiming in into producing ventilators and life support devices - but since weeks cannot get the emergency quick-building of new factories for FFP masks in all Western countries started although quite some companies stand ready to produce both filter material and fibres if their requests for credit securities wpould be met with a bit more wellmeaning...??? Fire this useless political personnel then! I thought we are in a desperate emergency...? And all they get managed is that a few T-Shirt preducers now knit oridnary textile masks of questionable medical value? Sorry, dear drama conductors, that is unacceptable as a performance.
Meanwhile Russian companies report like 100 fold increase in FFP2 mask production rates, backed by massive centralised state order and 1 percent interest loans, and many non specialised companies are now producing cloth facial masks and the like.
Catfish
04-08-20, 03:15 PM
Did you know that praying will help as much.
skidman
04-08-20, 03:47 PM
the Los Angeles City law goes into effect on Friday and also prohibits the wearing of N95 masks unless the wearer is an actual essential service-giver (medical, first responders, etc.)
As long as availability doesn't meet the demand this is an appropriate and justifiable prescription. It's really sad some anti-social egomaniacs just don't get it.
ikalugin
04-08-20, 04:07 PM
As long as availability doesn't meet the demand this is an appropriate and justifiable prescription. It's really sad some anti-social egomaniacs just don't get it.
I mean it is a very specific restriction so those people can wear N99 masks, full faces masks and so on.
the Los Angeles City law goes into effect on Friday and also prohibits the wearing of N95 masks unless the wearer is an actual essential service-giver (medical, first responders, etc.) I wonder how that would fare in front of the SCOTUS.
Skybird
04-08-20, 04:53 PM
Meanwhile Russian companies report like 100 fold increase in FFP2 mask production rates, backed by massive centralised state order and 1 percent interest loans, and many non specialised companies are now producing cloth facial masks and the like.
Then your leaders acted more clever than ours on that FFP issue.
Clotch masks are beign done over here now, too, but they are more for public moral or propaganda.Their protection value is not convincing: niot by what we now know about the virus and behaviour of aerosols.
Germany, I red an hour ago, has estalbished cklinf od an air lift to China and will get 40 million masks in the coming two weeks, one airlifter per day.
Chinese mask manufacturers can dictate conditions and prices at will currently. And they do. 50% payment in advance, else negotiations are not even started. Quality varies widely, from clinical standard to totally useless. Some nations have complained to have gotten "clinical" masks made of underwear.
FFP masks are the new gold for the time being.
skidman
04-08-20, 04:58 PM
I wonder how that would fare in front of the SCOTUS.
I wonder if the virus knows about the SCOTUS.
I have only one wish when it comes to our politicians and our authorities in Denmark and Sweden, and it is
They have learned their lesson by this and will when this crisis is over build a massive emergency stockpile of those things the health-thing are working hard on to get, now when they really need it.
I also hope they will create a huge fond.
`cause this Corona from China will not be the last type of pandemic we have to face in the future.
Markus
skidman
04-08-20, 05:30 PM
^Well, the authorities will write a "lessons learned" book, but the consequences are costly and memories will fade ever so slightly.
In Germany a few months ago a study was published by the Bertelsmann foundation (a neoliberal think tank) demanding reduction of the number of hospitals, the number of beds in each hospital, and the number of beds equipped for intensive care. Had this study been around two years earlier, we would see different figures in the national body count, that's for sure.
Politics usually addresses short term memory and this won't change after Corona.
Mr Quatro
04-08-20, 05:55 PM
Buying everything from China just because it is cheaper has cost the USA and many other countries real lives in the general population and in the medical fields.
I hope we have learned our lessons well ... pay more get stocked up and wait for the next calamity to come our way.
I've proposed before to let the illegal aliens we catch work on farms or even help build the wall, but the unions would put a stop to it for sure.
Whatever we are short of now can be manufactured cheaper in Mexico and shipped across the border for free with no tariffs.
Washington will alway be Washington no matter who is in charge :yep:
Wow! If you were greedy and grabbed a lot of N95 mask you are out of luck, uh?
This new way of life in LA sounds like it might grow to other counties, other states until it is common law, which in turn means the lock downs/shut downs,
whatever you call them will be extended even after the curfew's so to speak.
April 30th will probably see another extension with new rules like you have to pass the new 45 minute virus test that says your okay to work :hmmm:
The actual intent of the ordinance is to discourage people from buying up N95s when the greatest need is for those who are actually dealing with active Covid-19 case to have the masks. It is a response to those idiots who bought up large stocks merely to profit off the situation. For the rest of the population who are not medical and health professionals, first responders, or others engaged in essential activities, an N95 is not really all that necessary, so it doesn't seem to be a major inconvenience since there.are other alternatives. It should be noted the ordinance doesn't mean the average citizen who does have an N95 will be stopped and cited, just that those who are trying to exploit the situation for a profit are going to find their 'market' severely limited...
Maybe those N95 'entrepreneurs' and hoarders might consider listening to their better angels and donate the masks to those who actually have an extreme need...
Then again, those who would seek to profit from other's miseries probably don't have better angels...
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Buddahaid
04-08-20, 07:17 PM
Something humorous to add to the pandemic. I know it's bending the rules but all sorts of rules are getting bent now.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/WOyjyz.jpg
Jeff-Groves
04-08-20, 07:27 PM
Went through my masks and found 1 N95.
Gave it to my Wife as she works at a Dollar Tree Store.
Other masks are simple dust masks and a P95. Which I gave to Nancy Lady also.
Need to find the main part for my filtered mask. The one I wear when I'm working in moldy areas.
It's a P100
I'll have to hit our warehouse and see what all stock we have there next.
Onkel Neal
04-08-20, 08:10 PM
Now, think about it for a minute. ...
... hmmm.
Goverment: Neal, we will protect you from the virus.
Neal: Um, ok.
Government: We don't have any masks for you.
Neal: 'S-ok, I planned for this 4 years ago, I have my own supply.
Government: You cannot wear them. We forbid it, we will pass a law and we will arrest you if you wear your own masks that, in your foresight, which is obvious was greater than our own, you procured them well in advance of any emergency.
Neal: Stick it up your ....
Jeff-Groves
04-08-20, 08:18 PM
New Shirt idea!
You can have my mask when you take it off my cold dead body!
:har:
Mr Quatro
04-08-20, 08:47 PM
Goverment: Neal, we will protect you from the virus.
Neal: Um, ok.
Government: We don't have any masks for you.
We do have them for qualified men and women willing to serve their country however :up:
https://scontent.ffar2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91785867_10216936434786278_6637780997150605312_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_oc=AQlV7yEklwOtZwhDEg1SQId76cjaYcJzmJ2knBxbDtl 4qooREMhANQq78Bo60dOTESE&_nc_ht=scontent.ffar2-1.fna&oh=66535d44e81327411306f1ad619d5aef&oe=5EB4FEA0
Okay men listen up COMSUBPAC says that Guam is having some kind of problem
with some kind of new virus and that we should be ready after this 90 day patrol
to face a whole way of life ... :o
I wonder if the virus knows about the SCOTUS.
Scoff if you want, however if this "lockdown" (or whatever you wish to call it) continues too long or becomes too restrictive, the American people will push back.
Buddahaid
04-08-20, 08:58 PM
And survive or die. All for one and me for I.
Buddahaid
04-08-20, 09:03 PM
Trump the Giant Turd!
Scumbag Supreme should be his title.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52224183
Buddahaid
04-08-20, 09:16 PM
Don't even try it August. I work in hospitals all day long and risk bringing this pandemic home to my family every day. Trump pisses me off with every foulmouthed bitch he rants every damned day! Miss Piggy has more going for her that that piece of crap!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52224183
Aktungbby
04-08-20, 09:49 PM
Don't even try it August. I work in hospitals all day long and risk bringing this pandemic home to my family every day. Trump pisses me off with every foulmouthed bitch he rants every damned day! Miss Piggy has more going for her that that piece of crap!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52224183how do you describe a rabid Trump Republican who's been in a coma from Corona virus in five words or less:??..."Do you need that ventilator?":O:
Jeff-Groves
04-08-20, 10:13 PM
Gonna take the Wife out and train her on my big guns.
.50 and .30 cal Sniper Rifles.
Also gonna teach her camo, ambush tactics, and such.
She asked me!
Oh the Days of Man Trapping are getting close.
Buddahaid
04-08-20, 10:14 PM
I'm hearing SSU https://www.sonoma.edu/ is using dorm rooms to house medical personnel now. :Kaleun_Salute:
Jeff-Groves
04-08-20, 10:39 PM
Buddahaid,
I'm in the Construction business. We do a lot of Government work.
We received notice that We must have our crew on ALL sites as per Contracts.
I visited one today and people were as if it was last summer!
That was rural southern Ohio.
Next week a site starts very near Detroit! I have already turned down going there.
I'm 62 so not taking the chance!
I gave my Wife the last N95 and P95 masks I have as she works in a local store which is visited by total Idiots!
As I travelled today? I saw people handle gas pumps with no gloves.
I saw a Dad with 3 kids act as if nothing was going on.
Watched the kids touch stuff all over the Gas station!
I'm not afraid to die but not ready to let idiots kill me!
Buddahaid
04-08-20, 10:46 PM
No kidding. It's just stupid blind faith that one is immune. I don't touch a gas pump without disposable gloves and then I wash my hands afterwards. ATM's, doorknobs, etc. I take my cloths off and wash them everyday after work now even though I change into scubs at work. Thank God the hospitals are now restricting entryways and screening everyone now. Masks required in all public spaces.
Buddahaid
04-08-20, 10:58 PM
https://youtu.be/Xldwdc6bamw
Don't even try it August. I work in hospitals all day long and risk bringing this pandemic home to my family every day. Trump pisses me off with every foulmouthed bitch he rants every damned day! Miss Piggy has more going for her that that piece of crap!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52224183
Don't even try what? Stop you from continuing your little TDS rant? I hardly care, I'm just hoping that you are ranting even more on November 4th when Biden calls Trump to congratulate him on being reelected. :)
Jeff-Groves
04-08-20, 11:05 PM
I'll be surprised IF there is an Election by that date!
:haha:
Infact? I look for it to be put off because of the virus and people will claim Trump pulled a Putin!
Ultimate Collusion!
Buddahaid
04-08-20, 11:11 PM
Don't even try what? Stop you from continuing your little TDS rant? I hardly care, I'm just hoping that you are ranting even more on November 4th when Biden calls Trump to congratulate him on being reelected. :)
And you couldn't apparently because you know he's a turd too. Yes, I think the USA will elect the damned turd again and God help us.
I'll be surprised IF there is an Election by that date!
:haha:
Infact? I look for it to be put off because of the virus and people will claim Trump pulled a Putin!
Ultimate Collusion!
I doubt it. They're already downgrading the expected death toll. It's now what around 60k? I hate to say it because it will make some people here crazy but that is in line with this years expected flu range.
Buddahaid
04-08-20, 11:23 PM
It's not the flu or is that too difficult for you to grasp. It's on top of the flu.
Jeff-Groves
04-08-20, 11:26 PM
I'm still waiting on the Time Traveler.
https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--1DigfXIz--/t_Resized%20Artwork/c_fit,g_north_west,h_954,w_954/co_c62b29,e_outline:48/co_c62b29,e_outline:inner_fill:48/co_ffffff,e_outline:48/co_ffffff,e_outline:inner_fill:48/co_bbbbbb,e_outline:3:1000/c_mpad,g_center,h_1260,w_1260/b_rgb:eeeeee/c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1521385813/production/designs/2487377_0.jpg
Onkel Neal
04-08-20, 11:49 PM
I doubt it. They're already downgrading the expected death toll. It's now what around 60k? I hate to say it because it will make some people here crazy but that is in line with this years expected flu range.
Who's going get crazy over fewer casualties? That's great.
After the Covid-19 pandemic passes, and the AARs are written, the actions taken in the Sate of California are very likely to be held up as a guide of what to do in such situations; the level of what could have gone wrong in dealing with the virus in CA is staggering to think of; given what I've seen in the past regarding the way other problems have been dealt with in CA, no one is more surprised than me over how well managed and handled the response has been:
What California is doing right in responding to the coronavirus pandemic --
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/us/california-coronavirus-explainer/index.html
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Jimbuna
04-09-20, 04:34 AM
Confirmed coronavirus cases around the world near 1.5 million, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.
Almost 90,000 people have died with the virus.
The European Union risks failing as a project in the crisis, Italy's PM tells the BBC.
UK PM Boris Johnson remains in intensive care but condition "improving"
The World Health Organization has defended itself after criticism from Donald Trump.
"We're close to every nation," says its head after "China-centric" accusations.
Jimbuna
04-09-20, 05:29 AM
Driver caught doing 130mph claimed he was trying to avoid coronavirus :haha:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tech-auto/automotive/driver-caught-doing-130mph-claimed-he-was-trying-to-avoid-coronavirus/09/04/?fbclid=IwAR29-LCiCMXGTb-2SWFTBidxa4giYk9lkG3ojZcSyW8Dm-3_k6AoseO5KGA
Driver caught doing 130mph claimed he was trying to avoid coronavirus :haha:
Now I've heard everything!! I must try that. :yep:
Platapus
04-09-20, 05:39 AM
Driver caught doing 130mph claimed he was trying to avoid coronavirus :haha:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tech-auto/automotive/driver-caught-doing-130mph-claimed-he-was-trying-to-avoid-coronavirus/09/04/?fbclid=IwAR29-LCiCMXGTb-2SWFTBidxa4giYk9lkG3ojZcSyW8Dm-3_k6AoseO5KGA
Yikes!
150mph... and one small pothole/roadkill. :nope:
There is a reason why racetracks have special cleaning crews.
Jimbuna
04-09-20, 05:40 AM
My lad drove down to Southampton yesterday and my initial thought/fear was it might be him :o
They're having a marked increase in spinouts and flipovers on the freeways here because fools are taking advantage of the near empty (by LA norms) roads and speeding way above the limit and, in some cases, trying to get their 'fast & furious' fantasies lived out by doing very hazardous stunts; the local LEOs are trying to prevent any rise in the incidents by agressively enforcing the speed limits...
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Jimbuna
04-09-20, 06:06 AM
Finally FBI arrested a professor from Boston university who was in connection with Chinese university and research lab in Wuhan, and was highly paid by China.......Now it is very close to clear that corona virus is a Bio Attack planned and conducted by China.
- A Chinese expert assures everybody that inhalation of a steam from hot water kills Corona virus 100 percent. Even if the virus entered the Nose, throat or Lungs. Corona Virus can not stand the hot water steam...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgAUwb0zpLg
This is dated 28th January and I've no idea how accurate this is.
China Bio attack? motive?
What does China gain? and if there is one, is that gain worth the losses to china?
All its going to do is help drive nations towards more trumpian ethics like reducing the exportation of labour & manufacturing, total suicide when you are the factory of the world.
Bankrupt the west when they hold a large percentage of western debt and rely on their trade? also counter productive.
Im waiting to see it, because so far Covid 19 has done nothing good for China.
just because the FBI arrested some one with those kind of connections it doesnt = bio attack.
Just like 'Jet fuel doesnt melt steal beams' doesnt = the CIA planting thermite in the WTC.
First tip off: nowhere in the clip is any mention made of Covid-19, Wuhan, or any of the bandied about references to a bio-warfare lab. The use of the clip seems to be one of those 'coulda, mighta been' extrapolations so common in the conspiracy theory buff circles. This article may help to give a better knowledge of the facts without the fiction:
Was Charles Lieber Arrested for Selling the COVID-19 Coronavirus to China? --
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charles-lieber-arrested-coronavirus/
...and this:
No Link Between Harvard Scientist Charles Lieber and Coronavirus --
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/no-link-between-harvard-scientist-charles-lieber-and-coronavirus/
As noted in the above article, the current extent of the charges is lying to the Feds; no espionage charges, no charges related to bio-warfare, just plain lying to the Feds; in fact, Dr. Lieber could have legally worked with Chinese researchers and academics, but he failed to fully disclose the extent of his compensation from China, so all he is facing is about five (5) years in Federal Prison and a possible fine of up to USD $250,000...
The interesting aspect of Dr. Lieber is how very highly regarded he is in his field; he is no obscure, disgruntled low level academic researcher seeking to cash in because he isn't getting the recognition he feels he deserves; this guy is way, way up on the academic honors chain and not the usual sort to be involved in the sort of espionage scenarios usually attending this sort of situation. It should also be noted Dr. Lieber's field of expertise is in Nanoelectronics and brain science. in particular the inorganic science aspect of brain/device integrations. This indicates he verily likely is not the sort of expert the Chinese, or any other government would use for a purely organic bio-warfare project...
Just doin' the homework... :03:
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u crank
04-09-20, 07:33 AM
Ok how about this?
Two years ago I had surgery and part of my bowel was removed after a colonoscopy found something that could not be removed during that procedure. The surgery went well and the polyp was benign. The surgeon who did the procedure strongly recommended that I have a colonoscopy every two years without fail. In January I saw my family doctor for a referral to see this surgeon. After waiting over two months I decided to call the surgeon's office on Monday. I had a very pleasant talk with his receptionist and we discussed the current covid-19 situation. She then told me that not only was my procedure off indefinitely but all their booked procedures had been cancelled. And this was the case for all surgeons in that hospital which is the largest in this province. She said that it was not their decision but the hospital's policy for the current situation. In fact almost all elective surgery has been put on hold.
My question is simple. In fighting a pandemic are we not creating a situation where many people's health will be adversely affected because of a lack of normal medical procedures? I would be curious to know if this is being done in other parts of the world.
I think almost all medical facilities in areas hard hit by the pandemic are scaling back on medical procedures deemed not critical or emergent. One of the observations being made recently is about the two Navy Hospital Ships, one in Los Angeles and one in New York City operating at way low capacity amid the crisis; one of the main reasons for the low usage is that the ships were originally planned to serve non-Covid Positive patients; since so many elective surgeries and procedures are now being put on hold in order to conserve manpower, equipment and other resources solely to fight the virus, there are way, way fewer actual patients than would be normally expected in the hospitals, clinics, etc.; kinda brings up the question of just how many patients, under normal circumstances, are in hospital because of severe conditions actual requiring hospitalization? I know here in LA, if you subtracted all the tummy tucks, facelifts, liposuctions, etc., from the hospitals, a lot of them would probably go bankrupt... :haha:
Whether or not you or anyone else might have to have a procedure postponed is a judgement call to be made by your attending physician; I don't think any reputable MD is going to risk a malpractice situation by postponing a procedure out of hand without consideration. If you are having a situation where you fear for your own health without the procedure, I would suggest you make those thoughts known explicitly to your MD. I have found being insistent about one's own health can often be not only desirable, but also necessary...
I feel your pain: my most recent doctor's "visit" was done over the phone and the clinic has indicated my next visit may also be via phone; I actually had to take my own temperature, pulse, and blood pressure here at home and relay the numbers to my doctor over the phone; fortunately, owing to prior medical situations, I already have the necessary equipment. I'm supposed to have my first visit with the Neurologist on 21 Apr regarding whether my brain damage is a sign of Alzheimer's (most likely) or MS (less likely); I haven't heard from the neurologist's office about rescheduling, so I guess its still on, although I suspect I will hear sometime soon...
Hopefully, things will get back to normal, or as close to normal as possible, and the overall health systems will recover...
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Ok how about this?
It comes down to logistics. Take a student who just graduated from high school (grade 12). How long would it take for them to become a doctor? Or a surgeon? Or a nurse? You can't force that timeline without bad consequences. What about hospitals and clinics where they can work? How long do they take to build?
With the pandemic, as I've said before, we're already up to our ### in alligators. At its core, its a situation that is out of our control. Warnings were ignored and now we're paying for it. All of us who had a pre-existing condition have been moved to the back of the stove for a while.
Look at it another way: Take the case of Tripler Army Medical Center on Oahu. Its huge. Massively huge. I want to say it has room for 10,000 beds but its been a while and I don't remember the exact number. Its also mostly empty on a normal day, on the order of maybe five patients on a given day.
So, why is Tripler still there? It was built to house casualties of wars in the pacific and Asia.
Jimbuna
04-09-20, 09:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGKX0twspvE
u crank
04-09-20, 09:41 AM
Whether or not you or anyone else might have to have a procedure postponed is a judgement call to be made by your attending physician; I don't think any reputable MD is going to risk a malpractice situation by postponing a procedure out of hand without consideration.
The situation is a little different here in Canada because of our free health care. Well it's not free (tax payer funded) and it is very selective. Last year I waited seven months for a hernia operation. During that time my operation was bumped twice. Right now it is not the doctors who are postponing the procedures, it is the Government run hospitals who won't let them use the facilities they normally operate in.
I have found being insistent about one's own health can often be not only desirable, but also necessary...
Here you can insist all you want and most people do but it doesn't matter. Something to think about when pushing for a state run medicare for all health care system. It's called selective for a reason.
I'm supposed to have my first visit with the Neurologist on 21 Apr regarding whether my brain damage is a sign of Alzheimer's (most likely) or MS (less likely); I haven't heard from the neurologist's office about rescheduling, so I guess its still on, although I suspect I will hear sometime soon...
I'm wishing you all the best in your situation. Good luck man and take care of yourself.
With the pandemic, as I've said before, we're already up to our ### in alligators. At its core, its a situation that is out of our control. Warnings were ignored and now we're paying for it. All of us who had a pre-existing condition have been moved to the back of the stove for a while.
It is even more unique here in Canada's smallest province, population 160,000. We have only two hospitals that do all the surgeries, cancer treatments and testing MRIs, CAT scans etc. Both of these hospitals have set up special isolated wings to treat any Covid-19 cases. Funny thing is there have been no cases that have required admission to these special wings. Yet no other procedures except life threatening cases (car accidents, heart attacks, cancer treatments etc.) are being done.
And that is my point. If my problem with my bowel was happening now the problem may have gone undetected until it was too late.
Skybird
04-09-20, 09:51 AM
Scheiße.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-09/coronavirus-may-reactivate-in-cured-patients-korean-cdc-says
Mr Quatro
04-09-20, 09:59 AM
******** my bad
Onkel Neal
04-09-20, 10:08 AM
Let's keep politics unrelated to the pandemic in the politics forum as much as possible, please
Mr Quatro
04-09-20, 10:16 AM
It's not the flu or is that too difficult for you to grasp. It's on top of the flu.
it's not too difficult for me or August to grasp, but where are the contracted and dead figures for flu vs the virus. If the virus is catching up with the flu figures then where is the data to prove it.
Sure the time line is faster for the Covid-19 which just started in the middle of the flu season, but they both kill.
The virus is 10 times more likely to get to you, but the flu will still be here next year too ... What a mess that will be unless that new quick way to know if it is the covid-19 virus is at every hospital, clinic, sports stadium, theater, church, bar, restaurant, work place with more than ten employees to make sure you are not carrying the virus.
Heaven forbid Bill Gates has suggested a new microchip inserted ID tag to do just that :o
https://biohackinfo.com/news-bill-gates-id2020-vaccine-implant-covid-19-digital-certificates/
Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates will launch human-implantable capsules that have ‘digital certificates’ which can show who has been tested for the coronavirus and who has been vaccinated against it.
Jimbuna
04-09-20, 10:25 AM
First tip off: nowhere in the clip is any mention made of Covid-19, Wuhan, or any of the bandied about references to a bio-warfare lab. The use of the clip seems to be one of those 'coulda, mighta been' extrapolations so common in the conspiracy theory buff circles. This article may help to give a better knowledge of the facts without the fiction:
Was Charles Lieber Arrested for Selling the COVID-19 Coronavirus to China? --
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charles-lieber-arrested-coronavirus/
...and this:
No Link Between Harvard Scientist Charles Lieber and Coronavirus --
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/no-link-between-harvard-scientist-charles-lieber-and-coronavirus/
As noted in the above article, the current extent of the charges is lying to the Feds; no espionage charges, no charges related to bio-warfare, just plain lying to the Feds; in fact, Dr. Lieber could have legally worked with Chinese researchers and academics, but he failed to fully disclose the extent of his compensation from China, so all he is facing is about five (5) years in Federal Prison and a possible fine of up to USD $250,000...
The interesting aspect of Dr. Lieber is how very highly regarded he is in his field; he is no obscure, disgruntled low level academic researcher seeking to cash in because he isn't getting the recognition he feels he deserves; this guy is way, way up on the academic honors chain and not the usual sort to be involved in the sort of espionage scenarios usually attending this sort of situation. It should also be noted Dr. Lieber's field of expertise is in Nanoelectronics and brain science. in particular the inorganic science aspect of brain/device integrations. This indicates he verily likely is not the sort of expert the Chinese, or any other government would use for a purely organic bio-warfare project...
Just doin' the homework... :03:
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Appreciate the detailed response :up:
The HHS response to the requests by the US states seems to have been rather haphazard, at best; the House Oversight and Reform Committee requested data from HHS on how assistance to the states was doled out and the specific quantities:
Oversight Panel: Trump Admin. Didn’t Distribute Stockpile Supplies Based On States’ Needs --
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-strategic-national-stockpile-masks_n_5e8e4bc0c5b6b371812b6403
I really hope Congress moves to tighten up accountability and record-keeping requirements so, in the future, the response to crises will not be so shody and, potentially, life threatening...
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Appreciate the detailed response :up:
Not a problem; if there's one thing I actually do enjoy, its research... :up:
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Interesting article on the bureaucratic problems at the FDA and how it contributed to the pandemic:
https://www.city-journal.org/fda-bureaucracy-hindering-covid-19-fight
Americans are dying daily because of FDA regulations that have repeatedly delayed testing for the Covid-19 virus and impeded the manufacture and deployment of masks and other protective equipment. The agency’s obstructionism has angered the public—and prompted a search for scapegoats at the FDA and the White House—but there’s nothing unusual about these deadly delays. They’re an inevitable consequence of the FDA’s rules and its charter to allow only medical treatments and devices that its cautious bureaucrats have decreed to be “safe and effective.” This philosophy is conservatively estimated to be responsible for tens of millions of deaths of people waiting for the FDA to approve treatments for cancer, heart disease, and other ailments.
Onkel Neal
04-09-20, 01:07 PM
it's not too difficult for me or August to grasp, but where are the contracted and dead figures for flu vs the virus. If the virus is catching up with the flu figures then where is the data to prove it.
Sure the time line is faster for the Covid-19 which just started in the middle of the flu season, but they both kill.
The virus is 10 times more likely to get to you, but the flu will still be here next year too ...
Without the intervention of unprecedented social distancing and shutting down mass gatherings nationwide, just what would expect to happen?
Buddahaid
04-09-20, 01:11 PM
Interesting article on the bureaucratic problems at the FDA and how it contributed to the pandemic:
https://www.city-journal.org/fda-bureaucracy-hindering-covid-19-fight
And probably saved even more by keeping the quack devices and drugs in check
Jimbuna
04-09-20, 01:38 PM
Boris is out of ICU but still remains in hospital.
Catfish
04-09-20, 01:38 PM
The new conspiracy theories (april 9th, 2020 20:37) are:
A plague sent from god (hello TV priests)
A jewish virus to kill all unbelievers/moslems/rest of the world
The G5 initiated it for supremacy of their respective states.
Only an update.
Jeff-Groves
04-09-20, 01:52 PM
The new conspiracy theories (april 9th, 2020 20:37) are:
A plague sent from god (hello TV priests)
A jewish virus to kill all unbelievers/moslems/rest of the world
The G5 initiated it for supremacy of their respective states.
Only an update.
You forgot the one that says it was released into the population to stop an alien invasion.
The Virus is extremely deadly to the Lizard People.
:haha:
Boris is out of ICU but still remains in hospital.
:up:
em2nought
04-09-20, 02:00 PM
You forgot the one that says it was released into the population to stop an alien invasion.
The Virus is extremely deadly to the Lizard People.
:haha:
The most likely conspiracy theory is that the DNC and their cronies conspired with the PRoC against the USA to release covid-19 in order to attempt putting things back to the way they were before Trump this coming November. :D
Jeff-Groves
04-09-20, 02:04 PM
The most likely conspiracy theory is that the DNC and their cronies conspired with the PRoC against the USA to release covid-19 in order to attempt putting things back to the way they were before Trump this coming November. :D
That right there is probably closer to the truth.
:hmmm:
Buddahaid
04-09-20, 02:17 PM
I like the lizard men one better.
Jeff-Groves
04-09-20, 02:33 PM
I like the lizard men one better.
Well.
The Greys (who are mostly noted to be doing all the abductions)
are at War with the Lizard People.
So the abductions and medical experimentations were to develop the virus.
Thus protecting the Human race from the Scaly critters while maintaining control of the Earth for the Greys usage.
:haha:
The War started when the Greys dropped a huge chunk of rock on the Earth to wipe out the Lizard Peoples Dinosaurs.
That was done to start Speciation which evolved a Species the Greys can work with.
I have bad feelings about the situation the world are in right now.
I wonder if history will repeat itself Here I'm thinking 1929-1945.
Markus
Von Due
04-09-20, 03:28 PM
Next on Tinfoil News: Covid Dapperfield is behind it all if by magic.
^mapuc: Nah. It's pretty bad on many fronts (economy, layoffs, unemployment to name a few) but unless a world leader declares war on everybody to secure the sale of vaccines and masks I don't see that part of history repeated anytime soon.
Next on Tinfoil News: Covid Dapperfield is behind it all if by magic.
^mapuc: Nah. It's pretty bad on many fronts (economy, layoffs, unemployment to name a few) but unless a world leader declares war on everybody to secure the sale of vaccines and masks I don't see that part of history repeated anytime soon.
let me clarify what I mean.
When a country is in deep economical crisis with high percentage unemployment and other things people tend to turn their anger towards innocent people from other countries or having an another belief.
It is then a certain type of politicians gain huge success.
I would not be surprise if there somewhere in Europe or some other countries in the western world, some maniac politician get elected.
'cause s/he will use voters despair to win.
it's nothing but a feeling and in 99 % I'm always wrong
Markus
Skybird
04-09-20, 05:26 PM
This again shows what realyl matters. WHO and Taiwan.
So very obviously Taiwan made some things very right. And still the WHO and the international community rejects to learn from them and refuse to include them in science data transfers, just so to appease the regime in Bejing and not to upset the Chinese masters of the new world.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52230833
Aktungbby
04-09-20, 05:51 PM
Well.
The Greys (who are mostly noted to be doing all the abductions)
are at War with the Lizard People.
So the abductions and medical experimentations were to develop the virus.
Thus protecting the Human race from the Scaly critters while maintaining control of the Earth for the Greys usage.
:haha:
The War started when the Greys dropped a huge chunk of rock on the Earth to wipe out the Lizard Peoples Dinosaurs.
That was done to start Speciation which evolved a Species the Greys can work with.... Those are the Pangolin People, not Lizard People:O: https://media.nature.com/lw800/magazine-assets/d41586-020-00548-w/d41586-020-00548-w_17726712.jpg
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w) gives new meaning to the Aktungian translation of scripture: "partaketh not of the cloven beast lest ye covid thy neighbor's wife...and his pet tiger and the fruit of his loins....!":O: https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-from-bats-to-pangolins-how-do-viruses-reach-us/a-52291570 (https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-from-bats-to-pangolins-how-do-viruses-reach-us/a-52291570) Pangolins are now confirmed carriers of viruses closely related to SARS-CoV-2. But as with SARS and MERS, bats are the most likely original source. Scientists believe bats' unique genetic quirks make them ideal hosts. ..
The link between the novel coronavirus and pangolins was previously suggested by a study from South China Agricultural University researchers in early February, who studied more than 1,000 samples from wild animals.
Xiang says the evidence for those claims actually "already exists" in a paper (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31652964) from October 2019, which published genome sequences of sick pangolins smuggled from Malaysia to China, finding evidence of coronaviruses. Although there's a strong similarity between the coronaviruses found in pangolins and SARS-CoV-2, further research is needed to establish exactly how the virus jumped from animal to human ONE WAY OR ANOTHER GOD IS A COMEDIAN; AND I'M NOT GETTING OUT ALIVE....WHY WAS I EVER HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE:O: https://media0.giphy.com/media/cN34n6Ka8GrcY/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115d2384965076754f6bf2c717&rid=giphy.gif Only this time he won't need a big rock to do it....
Interesting article on the bureaucratic problems at the FDA and how it contributed to the pandemic:
https://www.city-journal.org/fda-bureaucracy-hindering-covid-19-fight
...and who runs the FDA? A Trump appointee, Stephen Hahn (December 2019 - Present)...
...and before Hahn? Another Trump appointee, Scott Gottlieb (May 2017 - April 2019), who, when taking the position, had to recuse himself from making decisions on key cases before the FDA due to ethics and conflict of interest concerns...
So, the FDA has been overseen since the very earliest days of the Trump administration by one of Trump's political appointees, except for the period from April 2019 to December 2019, during which there was no FDA Commissioner in office, a period of ten (10) months, because Trump did not appoint a successor...
If you want to try to blame the FDA for the failings, maybe you should also note who was running the agency and who appointed those commissioners...
I want to be fair to Gottlieb: during his tenure as FDA Commissioner, he did make significant strides in trying to remedy persistent issues regarding consumer safety and health and was diligent in doing so; he took a strong non-partisan stance and went up against Big Tobacco, Big Phrama, and other vested special interests, earning him the wrath of those interests and their GOP backers...
Gottlieb was competent, decisive, effective, and non-partisan in approach...
...so, of course, he had to go...
So, two FDA Commissioners in about two and a half years, a period of ten (10) months with no Commissioner at all due to White House inaction, and the end result is the mess the FDA and the country is facing now...
Nice try at attempting to deflect blame from who ultimately holds responsibility for the current FDA failings...
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Trump's self-interest is at odds with safe coronavirus policy --
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/491795-trumps-self-interest-is-at-odds-with-safe-coronavirus-policy
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Ok .Why Trump why don't we start looking at all Politicians and their family's interest. I bet if we could find out what they and their family's are trading in stocks. I bet we would find some really good **** to talk about.
But, back to covid 19. I live 15 miles north of Orlando Fla. And our diversity is what will cause people to die. These people have their own belief's and culture. What am i talking about. They will not stay home. In my part of this world Blacks and Hispanics and young white's that have no "culture" any more will not Stay at home. . What ever, they never have to abide by any rules. So is there a American Politician or any Politician on here that can enlighten us . I don't think there is.
Ok, Who is going to be the first to call me a racist? LOL .
You know today i identify as English American.
Ok , Let the Hammer drop. Yi Pi Ki Ya . But my English ancestors found their way to West Virginia. USA. And i must say There are no girly men that leaves that state.
Intermission Time. 24 hrs Break
I' ll pop back in tomorrow. I m not sure that's the right spelling .But i'm going back into the Gopher hole. And that's a Florida thing. :Kaleun_Cheers:
Skybird
04-10-20, 05:18 AM
New York, April 2020.
https://i.postimg.cc/3N44zr1y/NY-vom-2020-04-10-12-15-47.png (https://postimages.org/)
Just an ordinary seasonal flu.
https://i2.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/10/01/27023948-8206751-image-a-2_1586476805363.jpg?resize=696%2C464&ssl=1
Nothing to see here, just the seasonal flu.
https://img.blick.ch/incoming/15820201-v1-imago-st-0327-19020003-98610206.jpg?imwidth=1000&ratio=FREE&x=0&y=0&width=3562&height=2149
Every flu season the same procedure.
Jimbuna
04-10-20, 06:42 AM
Fatalities globally near 100,000, according to Johns Hopkins University.
Christians marking Good Friday are urged to stay at home.
UK PM Boris Johnson is out of intensive care. His father told the BBC he must rest.
UK Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick defends his travel moves amid reports he flouted rules.
Singapore suspends Zoom in teaching after pupils receive pornographic images.
South Korea's Daegu, the centre of the country’s outbreak, reports no new cases for the first time.
Singapore sees another sharp rise in cases, though the total remains relatively low.
Jimbuna
04-10-20, 06:47 AM
Too close to home for comfort.
North-east England gets a Nightingale hospital
After weeks of speculation, NHS England will today confirm the opening of a new Nightingale hospital to treat Covid-19 patients from across the north-east of England.
Work has been under way to transform a building at the Centre of Excellence for Sustainable Advanced Manufacturing near the Nissan car plant in Sunderland. The project has been managed by the Newcastle Hospitals health trust.
I understand up to 500 beds will be on the site for a range of patients suffering from coronavirus, including those on ventilators who need the highest level of critical care.
The north-east of England has been behind London when it comes to the spread of the virus, but health experts have warned this week that the region is on the “edge of the pandemic” and hospitals are rapidly starting to see more patients - and more deaths.
The South Tyneside and Sunderland health trust alone has now reported more than 100 deaths.
Jimbuna
04-10-20, 07:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EUZEtJHQhE
Platapus
04-10-20, 08:15 AM
Interesting article that explains why finding a "cure" for a virus is difficult. I think the author did a good job keeping this complex topic understandable by lay-people
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid19-antiviral-cure-antibiotic-20200318.html
Interesting article that explains why finding a "cure" for a virus is difficult. I think the author did a good job keeping this complex topic understandable by lay-people
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid19-antiviral-cure-antibiotic-20200318.html
A very good article. One very important part of the challenge of fighting viruses is the speed with which many of the strains mutate; AIDS strains were/are a big problem since they tended to mutate very quickly, leaving the medical researchers to constantly be playing 'catch up' with their treatment offerings; from what I've read/heard, Covid-19 is not very quick to mutate, so maybe some sort of vaccine 'cocktail' similar to current flu vaccines can be found; one thing is for certain: Covid-19 is not just going to abruptly end. As long as there are persons who carry the virus untreated or who are asymptomatic, the virus will continue to exist and will be back, maybe in a stronger, mutated form, and there is no immediate magic cure or '"game changer" remedy to stop the virus from coming back; in this, and this only, is Covid-19 anything like the flu...
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Onkel Neal
04-10-20, 08:38 AM
New York, April 2020.
Every flu season the same procedure.
Where is the source for those images? Is there a link to a credible news agency? I'm a little leery of believing they represent a massive death spike.
Skybird
04-10-20, 09:14 AM
The first image is a still from a video on BBC World front page right now. ;)
The second two shots are random photos from news coverage on the situation at NY hospitals. I rate them as believable because we have had videos of long trucklines at NY hospitals who parked their cooling trailers nearby hospitals on our daily German news main programs over here, since days.
There is also video footage shpowing bodybags beign carried out of NY hospitals and loaded onto trailers by forklifters.
The morgues are full.
Platapus
04-10-20, 09:16 AM
Where is the source for those images? Is there a link to a credible news agency? I'm a little leery of believing they represent a massive death spike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Tleba2HCk
Rockstar
04-10-20, 09:47 AM
The first image is a still from a video on BBC World front page right now. ;)
The second two shots are random photos from news coverage on the situation at NY hospitals. I rate them as believable because we have had videos of long trucklines at NY hospitals who parked their cooling trailers nearby hospitals on our daily German news main programs over here, since days.
There is also video footage shpowing bodybags beign carried out of NY hospitals and loaded onto trailers by forklifters.
The morgues are full.
Yes thanks, did you know the U.S. currently has 16,700 deaths and nationally we're projected to have over 65,000 by August fourth? I'm also aware initial infections in New York are of European origin. I'm also very much aware the current death toll in Europe and U.K. far far surpass that of the U.S.. I'm very ware now too everyone over there has suddenly turned from pro Schengen Area forever to isolated sovereign nationalists. :03:
Yet this is what makes front page over there? This is what they have to bring to everyone's attention? Boogles the mind. You all must think you're living in paradise with these kinds of diversions. :hmmm:
Leadership Means Reopening America Now
It’s increasingly clear that the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak is not the doomsday event alarmists made it out to be. At least that’s the emerging public health reality; the scope of our self-inflicted economic catastrophe has yet to be determined.
Even though deaths attributed to coronavirus hit a new high each day, one can begin to make out what is perhaps the top of the bell curve of mortality that tracks every disease outbreak.
The daily number of new cases has been relatively steady in the 25,000-35,000 range for the past week. Even if the 400,000 total U.S. cases and 15,000 total deaths double, triple, or quadruple before the disease runs its course, the outbreak will still be less severe than the tough 2014-15 flu season, in which 34 million Americans contracted the flu, 710,000 were hospitalized, and approximately 56,000 died.
This reality contrasts with projections developed by the Centers for Disease Control, which had indicated the disease would kill 140,000 to 200,000 Americans. Even more exaggerated was a scary prediction from the Imperial College of London that 2.2 million Americans might die. Forecasts that many hospitals would overflow have also been wrong.
Discrediting these estimates is not an exercise in Monday morning quarterbacking: The disease’s course in the advanced, free nations hit first in East Asia such as Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan revealed a dangerous but manageable outbreak that was controlled without the extreme economic shutdown we have adopted in the United States.
But perhaps the most telling statistic is that about half of the total cases and deaths have occurred within the broader New York metropolitan area. Remove that outbreak hotspot from the picture and one is left with 6,000 premature deaths of mostly elderly individuals with underlying health conditions in a country of 327 million. Each of these deaths is a personal tragedy for the families and communities involved and, of course, the victim. But this toll is being surmounted by an even heavier economic impact that itself will harm and shorten lives dramatically.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/10/leadership_means_reopening_america_now_142903.html
Catfish
04-10-20, 10:14 AM
It's all foreign fake news. Or the EU's fault. Both.
Maduboater
04-10-20, 10:15 AM
Thanks for the information
Aktungbby
04-10-20, 10:26 AM
Maduboater!:Kaleun_Salute:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/10/leadership_means_reopening_america_now_142903.html
Meh... :yawn:
An assessment from a former Trump adviser with the expected Trump cheerleading; also has no real, if any background in medical matters or, particularly, in matters related to epidemiology to public health. Just another Trump mouthpiece who is trying to push the WH lines and lies...
Christian Whiton: not qualified and not knowledgeable about the subject matter...
Don't know about anyone else, but I'm sticking to listening to and trusting Drs, Birx and Fauci on the facts and possible scenarios; they have the actual real life knowledge and experience...
...and real leadership knows when to get out of the way and let those who are better capable to handle a situation make the calls...
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Jimbuna
04-10-20, 11:21 AM
Thanks for the information
Welcome :salute:
em2nought
04-10-20, 12:27 PM
So I'm wondering what percentage of people who contract the virus are getting treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin? If the percentage is low, I wonder why? I wonder how hard it would be to get a doctor to prescribe it if you do get the virus? Meanwhile, the mainstream media keeps trying to convince us it's better to die than get treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin because "Orange Man Bad". :har:
Meh... :yawn:
An assessment from a former Trump adviser with the expected Trump cheerleading; also has no real, if any background in medical matters or, particularly, in matters related to epidemiology to public health. Just another Trump mouthpiece who is trying to push the WH lines and lies...
Christian Whiton: not qualified and not knowledgeable about the subject matter...
Don't know about anyone else, but I'm sticking to listening to and trusting Drs, Birx and Fauci on the facts and possible scenarios; they have the actual real life knowledge and experience...
...and real leadership knows when to get out of the way and let those who are better capable to handle a situation make the calls...
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We could also trade in GrandMa for a two point bump in the Dow. :yeah:
Mr Quatro
04-10-20, 12:34 PM
The first image is a still from a video on BBC World front page right now. ;)
The morgues are full.
This particular area in Long Island is called Hart Island Potter’s Field
where they bury the dead that can't afford it. The rich and poor alike
are dying in NY
https://ijr.com/new-york-city-laborers-bury-dead/
Rockstar
04-10-20, 12:51 PM
So I'm wondering what percentage of people who contract the virus are getting treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin? If the percentage is low, I wonder why? I wonder how hard it would be to get a doctor to prescribe it if you do get the virus? Meanwhile, the mainstream media keeps trying to convince us it's better to die than get treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin because "Orange Man Bad". :har:
To my knowledge there have been absolutely no controlled trials to determine the effectiveness of any treatment currently being used against COVID-19. I think doctors using these certain medicines do so because they of all people involved in this stupid argument have an understanding how they work and hope that it may to some extent tame the virus. When you're caught of guard like this you gotta go with what ya have. Like I said it cant hurt to try.
Chloroquine phosphate The older anti-malaria drug chloroquine has been shown to have a wide range of antiviral effects, including anti-coronavirus. Studies in Guangdong Province in China suggest that chloroquine may help improve patient outcomes in people with novel coronavirus pneumonia.
Hydroxychloroquine sulfate It was reported in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases on March 9 that the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was effective in killing the coronavirus in laboratory experiments. Hydroxychloroquine was first approved by the FDA in 1995 under the brand name Plaquenil, and it is also used in the treatment of patients with lupus and arthritis.
https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html
Jimbuna
04-10-20, 01:35 PM
Global death toll now over 100,000, says Johns Hopkins University.
Trump says US will see far fewer than 100,000 deaths, hails "tremendous progress"
The UK death toll has increased by 980 to reach a total of 8,958, England's Health Secretary Matt Hancock says.
PM Boris Johnson "able to do short walks" as part of his recovery.
Ireland and Italy extend lockdowns until early May.
Christians marking Good Friday are urged to stay at home.
Spain to ease restrictions from Monday - some non-essential workers allowed to return.
Jimbuna
04-10-20, 01:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lssv5zbU4ZM
Skybird
04-10-20, 02:48 PM
Hydroxchloroquine is a serious drug with - potentially lethal - side effects, it can cause serious neurological functional deficits right to functional collapse, and cardiovascular problems right up to cardiac arrests.
Corona virusses are a family of virusses that in parts are very different form each other, Corvid-9 is one of the strangest and most atypical Corona virusses we so far know of. Effects of the drug on one Corona virus cannot be just taken as valid exmaple for how it would "tackle" Covid 19. It needs clinical trials and the usual assessment procedures - which have not been run so far. When Trump says or implies the drug has been show effectiveness against the desease, he simply is lying and does not know what he is talking of (not that it would be a first...) The overwhelming majoirty of medical experts and virologists are cautioning against taking the effectiveness of the drug against Cordiv 19 as granted and say it has not been demonstrated as effective in valid trials. The drug currently is one amongst 4 or 6 older medications that are being testest for their helpfulness aginst Corvid 19. So far with not encouraging results. Ironically, I think al these drugs excvep0t Hydroxclroquine have shown to be ineffective regad8ing the desease for which the yopriogi8anblly had been dveeloped, may it be Ebola, may it be HIV. This does anto mean they also must fail against Corvid-19, but before you nclaim any of them works, you have to prove that in valid, scientifical trials of intact methodology, elose any claims are just hear-say and story-telling. All these drugs have in common that rthey have very severe, potent side-effects, you cannot carelessly hand them out and assume that the positive effect is granted and justifies the risks they imply.
Trump is selling snake oil here. Because his buddies have own money in the game of wanting to sell it.
If Hydroxcloroquine has a real positive effect against Corvid 19, it still waits to be demonstrated. Proven only are its severe side-effects. And I think the effciciency against Malaria also is no more given - the Malaria bug has meanwhile become immune against it, I think I have red somewhere.
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Meanwhile the media report that New York now has a higher number of known infections than any complete nation in the world. The number of total deaths approaches or already has gone beyond 8000, and so rates again amongst the numbers usually reported for whole nations. The city is the global epicentre of this mess, for the time being at least.
Rockstar
04-10-20, 03:23 PM
Hydroxchloroquine is a serious drug with - potentially lethal - side effects, it can cause serious neurological functional deficits right to functional collapse, and cardiovascular problems right up to cardiac arrests.
Corona virusses are a family of virusses that in parts are very different form each other, Corvid-9 is one of the strangest and most atypical Corona virusses we so far know of. Effects of the drug on one Corona virus cannot be just taken as valid exmaple for how it would "tackle" Covid 19. It needs clinical trials and the usual assessment procedures - which have not been run so far. When Trump says or implies the drug has been show effectiveness against the desease, he simply is lying and does not know what he is talking of (not that it would be a first...) The overwhelming majoirty of medical experts and virologists are cautioning against taking the effectiveness of the drug against Cordiv 19 as granted and say it has not been demonstrated as effective in valid trials. The drug currently is one amongst 4 or 6 older medications that are being testest for their helpfulness aginst Corvid 19. So far with not encouraging results. Ironically, I think al these drugs excvep0t Hydroxclroquine have shown to be ineffective regad8ing the desease for which the yopriogi8anblly had been dveeloped, may it be Ebola, may it be HIV. This does anto mean they also must fail against Corvid-19, but before you nclaim any of them works, you have to prove that in valid, scientifical trials of intact methodology, elose any claims are just hear-say and story-telling. All these drugs have in common that rthey have very severe, potent side-effects, you cannot carelessly hand them out and assume that the positive effect is granted and justifies the risks they imply.
Trump is selling snake oil here. Because his buddies have own money in the game of wanting to sell it.
If Hydroxcloroquine has a real positive effect against Corvid 19, it still waits to be demonstrated. Proven only are its severe side-effects. And I think the effciciency against Malaria also is no more given - the Malaria bug has meanwhile become immune against it, I think I have red somewhere.
Trump selling snake oil? Real doctors, not the political or armchair ones, saw it as a legitimate pathway to treatment long before Trump even knew how to spell it. Doctors knowing how it works thought to try it with the hope it might help especially since there was and still is no other alternative available. How Trump gets associated with their good work I find unfathomable. Also, this fear of it. I have been prescribed the big pink pill Chloroquin on several occasions when I traveled to Panama, Grenada and Haiti. I dont remember even a hint of this much fear and doom over its side effects being generated back then. Of course we did not have the intardnet to perpetuate crap like that either, life was good. :)
The only time I saw people uncomfortable about getting shots was when we were ordered to get our Anthrax vaccines. :haha:
Skybird
04-10-20, 03:56 PM
Who cares for some never heard of doctor's private opinion. Clinical studies describing result and methodology of correctly done test trials are what matters. The US government advisor on Corona, Faulci, is not convcined of it, indeed showed to be irritated by these entzsiastic claims. Nor are his German or French pendants convinced, and many other Corona experts.
The reputation of Trump's staff recommending it, is in doubt, and they are tied to business interests and have ties to companies producing the drug. Has been mentioned before, I must not repeat it again.
This is not some harmless playtoy that either works or not and thus can be just tried and fooled around with. This one has to undergo clinical test trials before accepted, the side-effects and risks are just too severe, and it is also the onyl way to get rliable, valid and solid data on the drug's efficiency or non-efficiency. There is no short-cut. What I have noticed in media about how such trials so far are going, there was nothing in them that encourages our own experts to put their hope in the drug. The tests go on, however, but the optimistic claims made by Trump's entourage are not justified so far .
Its more about somebody fearing for his reelection chances and thus grasping for every straw he finds and thus telling every fairy-tale with a nice ending.
Trump is selling snake oil here. Because his buddies have own money in the game of wanting to sell it.
Prove it. I think this is just another one of your conspiracy theories.
Rockstar
04-10-20, 05:13 PM
Who cares for some never heard of doctor's private opinion. Clinical studies describing result and methodology of correctly done test trials are what matters. The US government advisor on Corona, Faulci, is not convcined of it, indeed showed to be irritated by these entzsiastic claims. Nor are his German or French pendants convinced, and many other Corona experts.
The reputation of Trump's staff recommending it, is in doubt, and they are tied to business interests and have ties to companies producing the drug. Has been mentioned before, I must not repeat it again.
This is not some harmless playtoy that either works or not and thus can be just tried and fooled around with. This one has to undergo clinical test trials before accepted, the side-effects and risks are just too severe, and it is also the onyl way to get rliable, valid and solid data on the drug's efficiency or non-efficiency. There is no short-cut. What I have noticed in media about how such trials so far are going, there was nothing in them that encourages our own experts to put their hope in the drug. The tests go on, however, but the optimistic claims made by Trump's entourage are not justified so far .
Its more about somebody fearing for his reelection chances and thus grasping for every straw he finds and thus telling every fairy-tale with a nice ending.
Doctors just dont sit around waiting for test results. The optimism and use started with professional doctors in China, South Korea and other nations initially hit by the virus. Because there is no other known solution that optimism and use of many drugs has continued to this very day in countries like the U.S. Italy, Spain etc etc etc. Pretty much everyone has been trying everything they can think of which may help fight a COVCID-19 infection. Including Chloroquin. Trump has absolutely nothing to do with their decisions.
Basically they're throwing medicine at a problem like the government throws money at problems they dont understand and hope something works.
The problems you are seeing I think lies elsewhere, one is the FACT that everyone either hasnt heard or just simply ignores what Fauci has said: "There is an issue here of where we're coming from," Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday on CBS's Face The Nation. "The president has heard, as we all have heard, what I call anecdotal reports that certain drugs work." This week, Trump suggested a malaria drug called hydroxychloroquine was one of several that could be used as a treatment. “I think without seeing too much, I'm probably more of a fan of that,” Trump said. “And we all understand what the doctor said is 100% correct.” What Trump was trying to express, Fauci said Sunday, "was the hope that if they might work, let's try and push their usage."
2. It appears to me many media source seem to be pushing a theme of Trump at war with Fauci slant.
3. Trump just doesnt appear to be able to get his point across very clearly without looking a jack-ass most of the time.
Mr Quatro
04-10-20, 05:30 PM
Pretty much everyone has been trying everything they can think of which may help fight a COVCID-19 infection. Including Chloroquin. Trump has absolutely nothing to do with their decisions.
Basically they're throwing medicine at the problem like the government throws money at problems they dont understand and hope something works.
Thank you Rockstar and August for standing in the gap ... I hope it makes sense to the nay sayers :yep:
Rockstar
04-10-20, 05:51 PM
सच्चिदानन्द
Good news- There are only 15 confirmed cases in my county.
Bad news- Iowa is made up of 99 small counties. :doh:
Rockstar
04-10-20, 08:59 PM
Starting to see more and more about the jobless standing in food lines.
https://news.trust.org/item/20200409221616-zj0s0
Onkel Neal
04-10-20, 09:53 PM
The first image is a still from a video on BBC World front page right now. ;)
The second two shots are random photos from news coverage on the situation at NY hospitals. I rate them as believable because we have had videos of long trucklines at NY hospitals who parked their cooling trailers nearby hospitals on our daily German news main programs over here, since days.
There is also video footage shpowing bodybags beign carried out of NY hospitals and loaded onto trailers by forklifters.
The morgues are full.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Tleba2HCk
Ok, thanks. I happened to see the same footage on the NBC News. You would think in a metro area with that many people, a few hundred more burials wouldn't be that hard to manage.
Why are the digging by hand? Ain't they got no backhoes? Carzy.
Ok, thanks. I happened to see the same footage on the NBC News. You would think in a metro area with that many people, a few hundred more burials wouldn't be that hard to manage.
Why are the digging by hand? Ain't they got no backhoes? Carzy.
I read somewhere that due to their regulations, not sure if state or city, their morgues were already more than half full with unclaimed bodies before the start of the pandemic. Something about not being able to quickly dispose of them.
I am pretty sure what you are looking at is a temporary mass grave for unclaimed victims and that might be why they are being filled manually too.
Buddahaid
04-10-20, 11:33 PM
That makes perfect sense although I'm not sure why cremation wouldn't be a better option given that DNA collection would solve any ID problems.
Aktungbby
04-11-20, 12:17 AM
Good news- There are only 15 confirmed cases in my county.
Bad news- Iowa is made up of 99 small counties. :doh:Napa now has 32 cases and two dead. All restaurants and wineries the heart of the world famous tourist wine/dine destination are shut except for take-out. As a civic duty, my retired wife and I are doing the take-out on a large scale at places to help out the people we've known over 30 years of splendid dining. Burglars also hit one of my favorite weekly establishments (Fume Bistro);as if things were'nt tough enough. Crime is generally way down though as there are no empty houses to be burgled during lockdown.
Buddahaid
04-11-20, 12:41 AM
A couple of cars next to dad's house in Napa were broken into last weekend. Stupid stuff stolen but I'm going to install another motion sensor light in that area.
And as a heads up, George at 4045 is getting crazier and starting to stand out on the street ranting at cars he doesn't like. I think he's not responding well to having to eat in....
But seriously Vince, he's going to get in trouble with the constabulatory soon. He's getting the angry old man syndrome and has already brandished a firearm once but edged out of it somehow. Just a heads up at this point.
Aktungbby
04-11-20, 02:40 AM
CALL ME ANYTIME, I'LL DASH OVER 2 BLOCKS, REASONABLY EQUIPPED, AND DEAL WITH IT FOR YA; MY 2 YEARS ON HAMILTON AF BASE PD AND 4 YEARS WITH WELLS FARGO AS THE NIGHT ALARM AGENT SHOULD SUFFICE....
Buddahaid
04-11-20, 03:00 AM
I appreciate that. I don't think George will cross the line with us as ins by his book, and he was a good neighbor when dad was alive, but then again he's not mellowing and focusing more on his riteous outrage than living in peace as he should. I don't know why he's bothered so much but I really just wanted you to be aware of his mental state in the area.
And yes, I do think Covid-19 has something to do with this and most likely due to political fallout.
Skybird
04-11-20, 05:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZSKoNGTR6Q
You do not want to just protect others from you. You also want to protect yourself from others. Wear a FFP mask. There is no reasonable alternative to that. Just cloth is not enough.
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid19-runners-6-feet-slipstream-bikers-20200409.html
The video in that ^.
I have learned to hate ruthless runners outside, and now make myself as wide on ways as possible, even driving mild zig zags (on bicycle) at times to force people out of the way. Runners run by at reckless distances, do not even mind to maybe even touch you, if that is needed to squeeze themselves beyond you for the holy mission of not leaving the straight line. Bicycle drivers sometimes also are not any better.
Really, you do not want to need depending on the good will and reaosn of others. You do want to actively protect yourself from others as best as you can manage. Wear that damn FFP mask in rooms, and if weather and temperature allows, also in town on the street, or in the green areas outside when people are around. You never know when the next reckless idiot will decide to run into you. Its stupid to accept your wellbeing and health being at some stranger's mercy.
And mind you. In unmoving air, breath aerosols can hang aorund in the air FOR HOURS, forming clouds of 8-10 meters in diameter. In these times,. one should always keep this simple advice on mind: that you are reasonable and considerately yourself, does not automatically mean that someobdy else is not reckless and does mind to injure you. Trust is good. Control is better. Wear your FFP mask.
P.S.
I have baked mask filter material by now, 90°C for half an hour. The material, the connections, rubber and glue points all have surived in good shape. No smell to be noticed, at least no visible changes of the filter textile. The filters were locked away and hang up to cool down for 3 days before I put them in th eoven, and I did not expect any possible Covid 19 virusses to be left in them anyway, but the procedure is aiming at sterilising the masks from bacteria I have exhaled into them form my own lungs. There are some bacteria living even at 90°C and 100°C, but most that you usually find and have in youo own body should not live at that temperature anymore. - I know I know, its an improvisation, and nothign you would recommend in an ideal world. But the world is not ideal and the circumstances are far from being perfect. We need to improvise and hold out with what we currently have. BTW, some US hospitals now recommend to sterilise such filter masks (FFP) up to 20 times by bathing them in hydrogen peroxide. Not ideal, but a compromise that owes to the situation.
Jimbuna
04-11-20, 06:18 AM
In the UK, people told to stay at home as temperatures are expected to soar.
The British Medical Association says doctors are still not getting protective equipment.
The UK announced 980 more hospital deaths yesterday, bringing the total to almost 9,000
Spain's daily death figures continue to drop, falling to lowest level in nearly three weeks.
India will extend its lockdown, says chief minister.
Some 1.7 million cases and 100,000 deaths have been confirmed globally, says Johns Hopkins University.
The US becomes the first country to report more than 2,000 deaths in a single day.
The World Health Organization warns of a "deadly resurgence" in infections if restrictions are lifted too early.
UK PM Boris Johnson "able to do short walks" as part of his recovery.
Jimbuna
04-11-20, 06:28 AM
NHS staff still do not have the protective equipment they need to treat coronavirus patients, medics have said.
The British Medical Association (BMA) said doctors were putting their lives at risk by working without adequate protection.
It comes as the health secretary said 19 NHS workers had died with coronavirus since the outbreak began.
On Friday, Matt Hancock said there was enough kit for everyone and unveiled a plan for addressing shortages.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52252470
ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL!! :nope:
Onkel Neal
04-11-20, 07:46 AM
I read somewhere that due to their regulations, not sure if state or city, their morgues were already more than half full with unclaimed bodies before the start of the pandemic. Something about not being able to quickly dispose of them.
I am pretty sure what you are looking at is a temporary mass grave for unclaimed victims and that might be why they are being filled manually too.
I guess you're right, it just seems backward to me, to dig holes by shovel and then bury people, with the possibility of digging them back up later (if it's temporarily). How do they do that? Maybe if someone claims a body 3 weeks from now, some poor guy has to dig them up? Maybe it's self-service....
The facility, off the coast of the Bronx, has been used for a century and half to bury New Yorkers who have no next of kin, and those whose families are too poor to afford a private burial.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/10/mass-burials-surge-as-new-york-city-set-to-hit-100-000-coronavirus-cases-1274835
That makes perfect sense although I'm not sure why cremation wouldn't be a better option given that DNA collection would solve any ID problems.
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense to me. They can store the ashes in case someone comes along to claim them.
Napa now has 32 cases and two dead. All restaurants and wineries the heart of the world famous tourist wine/dine destination are shut except for take-out. As a civic duty, my retired wife and I are doing the take-out on a large scale at places to help out the people we've known over 30 years of splendid dining. Burglars also hit one of my favorite weekly establishments (Fume Bistro);as if things were'nt tough enough. Crime is generally way down though as there are no empty houses to be burgled during lockdown.
Wow, that is the most amazing thing I have read in 60 days of pandemic, very cool. I salute you.:yep:
A couple of cars next to dad's house in Napa were broken into last weekend. Stupid stuff stolen but I'm going to install another motion sensor light in that area.
And as a heads up, George at 4045 is getting crazier and starting to stand out on the street ranting at cars he doesn't like. I think he's not responding well to having to eat in....
But seriously Vince, he's going to get in trouble with the constabulatory soon. He's getting the angry old man syndrome and has already brandished a firearm once but edged out of it somehow. Just a heads up at this point.
Whoas, what's the backstory here!
Jimbuna
04-11-20, 08:07 AM
EU finance ministers have agreed a €500bn (£430bn;$540bn) rescue package for European countries hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic.
The chairman of the Eurogroup, Mário Centeno, announced the deal, reached after marathon discussions in Brussels.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52238932
That's great as long as they don't start squabbling over who gets what size slice of the cake.
https://i.imgur.com/RUCOEo5.jpg
Mr Quatro
04-11-20, 09:48 AM
^ it's a sign that the pandemic has peaked and she needs food more than she does TP :yep:
Jimbuna
04-11-20, 10:45 AM
Pay her back only a quarter of what she spent and give the remainder to a local charity.
Jimbuna
04-11-20, 10:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEnco7iJw0o
The only problem I have with the above is seeing news articles stating that some who had previously recovered are now testing positive again.
Skybird
04-11-20, 11:18 AM
I was stunned by that bad news of re-infections three days ago, and all I could say back then was "s###" . Its the South Koreans ringing that alarm bell first, and they speak of several thousand already. However, it is not clear at the moment whether it is indeed a reinfection due to lacking or immunity or immunity taken out by an undiscovered virus mutation (if it would be any of these two circumstances, then that would be extremely bad news of course), or if the second-time patients never cured out their disease in the first, or the testing method is flawed somewhere in the procedure. As far as I take it from the media right now and if dare to believe them, we simply do not now what is going on there. We only know the fact that several thousand Koreans who were declared healthy after they went through the disease, now are falling sick again.
This virus is diabolic, it has surprised us and proven wrong former believes and assumptions repeatedly now. Its not the typical candidate from the Corona family, it is much more tricky and malicous. Schlüpfriger kleiner Widerling.
Mr Quatro
04-11-20, 11:25 AM
I was stunned by that bad news of re-infections three days ago, and all I could say back then was "s###" . Its the South Koreans ringing that alarm bell first, and they speak of several thousand already. However, it is not clear at the moment whether it is indeed a reinfection due to lacking or immunity or immunity taken out by an undiscovered virus mutation (if it would be any of these two circumstances, then that would be extremely bad news of course), or if the second-time patients never cured out their disease in the first, or the testing method is flawed somewhere in the procedure. As far as I take it from the media right now and if dare to believe them, we simply do not now what is going on there. We only know the fact that several thousand Koreans who were declared healthy after they went through the disease, now are falling sick again.
This virus is diabolic, it has surprised us and proven wrong former believes and assumptions repeatedly now. Its not the typical candidate from the Corona family, it is much more tricky and malicous. Schlüpfriger kleiner Widerling.
I did not want to hear this Sky :oops: Thank you for posting it :yep:
I think I already had it once last February and ended middle of March, but I won't know till I take that new test they have to see if you had the virus.
Skybird
04-11-20, 11:28 AM
Somethign positive (yeah, I know its hard to believe, Skybird and something positive... :) ) I notice that at German Amazon and Ebay prices for surgical masks fall significantly, and that they become more and more available, both from overseas and China, but also German stocks. Today I spotted first offers for delivery within 4-5 working days at costs of 30 cents per mask. That is still 3x more than usual for a surgical mask, and its not FFP, but I see that FFP masks also slowly become more and more available and drop in prices. The Goldrush (worse I have ever seen was a single FFP2 for almost 300 Euros) seems to be over, and now mass production starts to do its magic.
Also, Melitta, a significant producer of coffee machines, coffee blends, vacuum cleaner bags and some more household items, has started to produce surgical masks, they are formed like coffee filters and are no work of beauty, but use material for clincal use and fulfill according clinical standards. The current production capacity is 1 million per day, they prepare to also launch big style in production of FFB masks. Well. Thats for a start! Better late than never! I expect others will soon follow.
Earlier today I saw a clip with President Trump, where he talked about a death rate lower than the minimum they had set which was 100000 dead.
After this clip this News channels reporter in USA said
Mr. Trump is to early on his positive words and he is to early on his plan on opening the American society.
This Corona haven't hit Washington with full strength yet, and it will in 2-3 weeks from now and not to forget the rest of USA.
I somehow believe this reporter more, than I believe Trump(even though he's not my President/prime minister)
Markus
Mr Quatro
04-11-20, 12:09 PM
Yes Markus it is still too early to tell, but President Trump was backed up by his coronavirus team of coordinator VP Mike Pence, Doctor Deborah Birx,
plus the director of the National Institute on Allergy and Infectious Disease Anthony Fauci that the total will now below the first estimates of over 100k ...
Somewhere around 60k perhaps and we are 1/3 of that now :yep:
Yes Markus it is still too early to tell, but President Trump was backed up by his coronavirus team of coordinator VP Mike Pence, Doctor Deborah Birx,
plus the director of the National Institute on Allergy and Infectious Disease Anthony Fauci that the total will now below the first estimates of over 100k ...
Somewhere around 60k perhaps and we are 1/3 of that now :yep:
Thank you. Even 60000 dead is a tragedy.
Each of these victims had a family
Or if we think as some famous soviet leader who said something like
1 dead is a tragedy thousands dead is statistic.
Markus
Jimbuna
04-11-20, 12:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH7Fd7aSulA
Jimbuna
04-11-20, 12:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkuIFn47ArU
Skybird
04-11-20, 01:31 PM
Or if we think as some famous soviet leader who said something like
1 dead is a tragedy thousands dead is statistic.
Eh, that was Stalin I think, and the quote was given in a completely different context, meaning to cynically trivialize state terror. Does not match the context of this thread. ;)
Trump may be early in declaring optimistic outcomes, but you can never be too early with getting your election campaign running again. That's why.
Jimbuna
04-11-20, 01:47 PM
About 19,700 people have now died with coronavirus in the US, while Italy's total is 19,468
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo says deaths in the state are stabilising but at a 'horrific rate'
More than 700 people have died in New York every day for five days in a row.
UK Home Secretary Priti Patel fights off criticism over lack of PPE for NHS staff at daily briefing.
PM Boris Johnson needs time to 'rest, recuperate, and recover' from coronavirus, Patel says.
A further 917 coronavirus-related hospital deaths are reported in the UK, taking total to 9,875
India will extend its lockdown, says Delhi's chief minister.
Mr Quatro
04-11-20, 02:33 PM
PM Boris Johnson needs time to 'rest, recuperate, and recover' from coronavirus, Patel says.
after your PM shook hands with everyone right up to his catching the virus it's a wonder that he is still alive :o
Proves that with the proper care you can overcome the statistics and get better not so with his personal physician though that passed away after he was diagnosed :oops:
Eh, that was Stalin I think, and the quote was given in a completely different context, meaning to cynically trivialize state terror. Does not match the context of this thread. ;)
Trump may be early in declaring optimistic outcomes, but you can never be too early with getting your election campaign running again. That's why.
You may very well be right on why Trump is eager to open the society asap.
Here the the reporter are saying it's because the American economy is crash bleeding and it's like the economy are drawn into a big black hole.
Yes you are right this quote was not the right place to put.
Some of our western politicians and journalist are starting to ask question whether we have won anything by closing our society for the sake of some elders and weak people and they have used their countries last severe influenza season.
I guess even ordinary people is starting to ask question to whether it was worth it-to close the society and thereby sending hundreds of thousand into the unemployment queue for the sake of the elders and the weak people
Markus
Jeff-Groves
04-11-20, 03:28 PM
Just hanging around to see who will be the first to say Trump is behind a
plan to kill off the old and undesirables in society.
:hmmm:
Mr Quatro
04-11-20, 03:39 PM
Just hanging around to see who will be the first to say Trump is behind a
plan to kill off the old and undesirables in society.
:hmmm:
Does this have anything to do with your wife wanting to learn how to hunt and shoot? :D
Buddahaid
04-11-20, 03:39 PM
Tempted.....but even I don't think he'd want to kill off his voter support.
Rockstar
04-11-20, 03:44 PM
Is there a California, Chinese connection? Has anyone noticed how well California is doing? What did Gavin know and when did he know it!?
Mr Quatro
04-11-20, 03:52 PM
Is there a California, Chinese connection? Has anyone noticed how well California is doing? What did Gavin know and when did he know it!?
It is a little bit different, uh?
San Fran is the closest to NY City
LA is all sprawled out :yep:
u crank
04-11-20, 03:55 PM
Is there a California, Chinese connection? Has anyone noticed how well California is doing? What did Gavin know and when did he know it!?
Cars.
:D
Mr Quatro
04-11-20, 04:05 PM
New York State is having a fight with NY City :yep:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-city-mayor-says-schools-will-stay-closed-rest-n1181856
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Saturday that the city's schools will remain closed for the rest of the school year, but less than three hours later, Gov. Andrew Cuomo contradicted him, saying the mayor lacks the authority to make such a decision.
"He didn't close them, and he can't reopen," Cuomo said of the the vast school district that serves over 1.1 million students in 1,800 schools.
The governor said it was only the mayor's "opinion" to keep schools closed until fall, and that in this instance Cuomo holds the authority on the issue.
Jeff-Groves
04-11-20, 04:13 PM
Does this have anything to do with your wife wanting to learn how to hunt and shoot? :D
Oh! Your good!
:har:
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 05:33 AM
Christians are celebrating Easter, despite lockdowns that have left hundreds of millions confined to their homes.
Pope Francis will deliver an online message instead of the traditional St Peter’s Square address.
Philanthropist Bill Gates tells the BBC a vaccine is the only way to end the crisis, and one could be ready within 18 months.
UK PM Boris Johnson says he owes his life to the doctors and nurses who treated him in intensive care.
For the first time, all 50 US states are under a disaster declaration.
UK deaths from the virus are expected to pass 10,000 on Sunday.
Some 1.8 million cases have been confirmed globally, according to Johns Hopkins University.
Nearly 109,000 people have died while 405,000 have recovered.
Is there a California, Chinese connection? Has anyone noticed how well California is doing? What did Gavin know and when did he know it!?
It is a little bit different, uh?
San Fran is the closest to NY City
LA is all sprawled out :yep:
The very fact that New York state was so hard hit is one of the reasons I posted a while back about something being wonky about the distribution figures on Covid-19 cases. Considering the West Coast of the US is the main entry point from Asia in general and China in particular, it would be expected Washington, Oregon, and California would be hit the earliest and the hardest; Washington did get hit early and hard, Oregon seemed to be not badly affected, and California did get hit hard, but not as soon as Washington; when you take into account the massive tourism into California and Washington from China and S. Korea, the very heavy business travel from those same places, and add in the huge Chinese and Korean populations residing on the West Coast, particularly in CA, it would seem logical that the West Coast would be the first and hardest hit; instead, the East Coast got hit first,a bit of a puzzler, in much the same way as Italy being the hardest hit in the early days of the pandemic. A logical reasoning for New York State's very high infection rate could be attributed to its proximity geographically to Italy (NY State has a very large Italian population) but, then , a question arises as to why Italy got hit so hard and quickly out of all the other Euro countries? There's an odd skew in the progression and migration of the Covid-19 virus; it may be significant of something or nothing at all, but it is odd...
As for Newsom, he is a self made millionaire who created a number of very successful businesses and has shown an ability to analyze situations and assess trends; he came up in a single parent family (it is said his mom worked three jobs to support herself and her two children) and he had to deal with dyslexia while attending school; no silver spoon for him. I really didn't know much about him, since he was a mainly Northern California figure; I didn't expect much from him when the whole pandemic started to hit, but he has been a surprise; he is remarkably proactive in his approach, looking not only for solutions to the problem, but, also, seeking out possible future flaws or hindrances and planning to address them before they might come up; I kind of expected the usual reactive approach of most politicians where they wait to see which way the winds blow, measure the political costs, and then react, leaving them most often behind the curve of a problem instead of on it or ahead of it; he seems to be not only looking for solutions in the near term, he is also considering options if a selected solution doesn't pan out as desired and he seems to be also planing for future contingencies; he also has exhibited the ability to pivot and adapt as needs be; while other Governors and politicians fretted over political concerns, Newsom did what he was elected to do: find solutions to address the needs of all of the citizens of his state regardless of what one or another party or faction may say...
Newsom is also bolstered by a state where there have been so many natural disasters and man-made problems over the decades that preparedness is perhaps more ingrained than in other places; there is a well-developed infrastructure of emergency response in CA making it a bit easier to deal with most exigencies as they happen; where other states might have to build from scratch, CA can usually adapt existing resources to fix a situation...
I don't know anything about the current leadership of Washington State, but their swift actions in trying to contain the spread of the virus in its early stages indicates they also have some sort of mechanism for dealing with crises...
Anyone who has ever had an old school sports coach, shop teacher, or has been in the military knows the Five P's: Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance (the military often adds in a couple of more colorful P's to the adage) and we are seeing the practical demonstration of the effectiveness of the Five P's in places where the virus is being mitigated; we are also seeing the often tragic results of "leadership" not prepared or capable of addressing and/or solving even the most basic problems as they come up...
Newsom may not even be that good a Governor; he's basically only doing what would be expected of a competent Governor, so maybe he's what should be considered or hoped for as "average"...
...or maybe he looks so good because, when comparison is made with other "leaders", they are just so damn awful...
As a side note regarding the temporary burial of corpses on Hart Island, the reason they aren't just cremated may be due to legal strictures in the City, County, or State; I recall, aways back, there was a backlog of corpses in the LA County Morgue and the same question came up about cremation; IIRC, the main argument against cremation was the laws mandated a body could only be disposed of by the discretion of the County only after an exhaustive attempt to find next of kin to claim a body; only after it is thoroughly and reasonably certified there is no family to lay claim, then, and only then, is the County allowed to cremate and bury the ashes; part of the reasoning was economic: if a family member can be found, the County doesn't have to foot the bill for the burial and may, in fact, be able to bill the family for morgue services; another reason has to do with religion and customs: if a corpse is cremated and a family member steps forward, there have been cases where, due to religious strictures or other customs, families have sued based on claims the County didn't exercise due diligence in their search for family and the cremation violated the families religious rights; so there are financial and political reasons why a County would want to keep a corpse intact as long as possible...
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Jimbuna
04-12-20, 05:45 AM
Boris Johnson has said he owes his life to the NHS staff treating him for coronavirus.
In a statement released by No 10, the prime minister, 55, thanked medics at St Thomas' Hospital in London, where he continues to recover after spending three nights in intensive care.
It comes as UK deaths from the virus are expected to pass 10,000 on Sunday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52258980
ikalugin
04-12-20, 06:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pazPRFNqmo
Cheesy documentary by Russian MoD about their network of small hospitals for COVID-19.
It is interesting to see how they are building wards with individual sealed rooms with airlocks.
They are also promoting medical masks for protecting others.
em2nought
04-12-20, 06:49 AM
It is interesting to see how they are building wards with individual sealed rooms with airlocks.
After watching that I'm predicting a huge surge in sales of mini-split air conditioner as opposed to central AC. However, mini-splits will have to alter their systems to handle being able to use better and disposable filters. Right now they use a filter that's hardly a filter the same as window units do. The outdoor unit fan blades on mini splits should be upgraded to aluminum from plastic as well, or at least be painted to protect against the sun.
https://t2conline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ductless-mini-split-air-conditioner-installation-graphic.jpg
Rockstar
04-12-20, 06:59 AM
Sorry Vienna it wasn't meant to be a serious poke at Newsome or California.
When travel from China was restricted this may have helped reduce California's exposure to COVID. But nobody can be really sure about that as some have suggested it may have been in California as early as December of last year. Long before anyone even became aware how to spell COVID-19 people were blaming it on a more serious common flu season https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-signs-suggest-coronavirus-was-in-california-far-earlier-than-anyone-knew/ar-BB12umOy
Los Angles Times reported 24 March California is far behind New York in testing and its a "big Problem" too. So California's current numbers may not be fully known yet. Though unlike New York, according to current projections found at http://www.healthdata.org/ California appears to be very well prepared to handle it.
Rockstar
04-12-20, 08:36 AM
Hey, good news from Maryland. The FOUR confirmed cases in my county have recovered and we now have ZERO active cases.
Sorry Vienna it wasn't meant to be a serious poke at Newsome or California.
When travel from China was restricted this may have helped reduce California's exposure to COVID. According to information gathered by https://nextstrain.org/ most infections in New York arrived from Europe. Those borders didn't close until over a month later. By then it was too late.
Los Angles Times reported 24 March California is far behind New York in testing and its a "big Problem" too. So California's current numbers may not be fully known yet. Unlike New York, California didn't underestimate the seriousness of the situation and according to current projections found at http://www.healthdata.org/ appears to be very well prepared to handle it.
I really didn't take your comment as "a serious poke" at all; I just thought perhaps a bit of background might help explain why CA seems to have been on the better end of the Covid-19 crisis, even though with this pandemic, there really isn't much of a 'better end'...
The restrictions against travel from China may have helped, but there was already a very large number of Chinese nationals already in CA at that time; LA gets a huge amount of the Chinese tourist trade; living in Hollywood, I've seen a really big upswing in Chinese tourism over the past several years, owing, in part, to the rising Chinese standard of living and more disposable income; they are all over the place here in Hollywood and in Beverly Hills; I'm going to guess San Francisco is equally overrun; I'm not sure if it is still true, but SF has been said to have the largest immigrant Chinese population of any city outside of Asia; here in SoCal, the San Gabriel Valley has a huge Asian population, heavily Chinese; I do know LA has the largest Korean immigrant population outside of Asia and, in the early days of the pandemic, there was a big scare in the Korea Town community when news came out of two or three KAL crew members tested positive for the virus. Given all that, it wouldn't have been a surprise if there was a really big outbreak in SoCal or in CA as a whole...
No one was as surprised as I about how really well the whole process has been handled here in LA; usually there is a roil of political, racial, ethnic and any other factional bickering one can think of when there is a pie-cutting of who gets what; instead, an unusual amount of cooperation and deference is being exhibited and the various factions have dialed way, way back on the usual rhetoric and squabbling; I don't how long it will last, but it a very pleasant change for the time being...
Re testing: it has been reported a couple of weeks ago that testing numbers had doubled, a time shortly after the Times reportage you cited; Newsom very publicly took responsibility for the problems with testing at that time, and, from what I've seen on the local news here in SoCal, testing has really stepped up and is more widely available; I think a big factor in the testing problems has been the lack of labs to process the tests; like a lot of other aspects of modern society, a few, very big, labs have been doing almost of the test processing, in a situation akin to how cell phone service is down to just a very few companies; one test processor, Quest Diagnostics, has a huge share of the market and is the lab of choice for pretty much all of the medical institutions who would be dealing with the Covid-19 testing; Labs like Quest have, for man, many years, maintained there capacities at levels really designed to deal with only minor fluctuations in demand and had/have no scalability with which to deal with such a drastic surge in demand; likewise the smaller labs make do with 'just enough to get by' as a business philosophy meaning they really don't have contingency plans or facilities or manpower to deal with anything other than minor fluctuations in demand; basically, you can test all you want, but there isn't a sufficient lab infrastructure to process all those tests, hence severe backlogs, long delays in test results, etc. ...
California didn't underestimate the threat at all and Washington State was even more on the ball than CA in rapid response. While the Federal response has been hampered by a reluctance to act proactively and decisively, states like WA, CA, and NY, upon seeing the threat, moved on their own to take action, much to the annoyance of the White House; but time and circumstance has proven what were once deemed as 'overreaction', or ''alarmist', or 'political grandstanding' by those states is now seen as what should have been done from the very beginning; very serious crises require very serious and proactive response...
Today it was announced by LA Mayor Garcetti there will be an extension of the stay home orders, and other attendant orders, until 15 May,so down here were looking at a bit over month more of the lock down, but, if the reports out of South Korea and elsewhere of cases of reinfection of patients who had been 'cured' of the virus hold true, it is possible the lock downs may be here for a long while...
Here is an article from 10 Apr addressing the testing problems and going into more detail about the labs, etc. noted above:
Why America is still failing on coronavirus testing --
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/10/21214218/trump-coronavirus-testing-social-distancing
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Very interesting article:
Sewage at a major treatment facility in Massachusetts showed there are likely hundreds more people with coronavirus in the area than officials thought, researchers say.
...
There were about 450 confirmed coronavirus cases in the area of the treatment facility, but researchers estimated that the number of people actually infected with coronavirus is between 2,300 and 115,000, Newsweek reported. But Eric Alm, one of the study’s authors, emphasized that while they can detect the virus in urine and feces, people are not at risk of getting the disease through sewage, Newsweek reported.
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Mr Quatro
04-12-20, 09:15 AM
Good reporting vienna about California :up: see your brain is okay, except for Trump of course :D
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-11/us-coronavirus-death-toll-passes-20-000-as-all-50-states-declare-disasters
New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy issued the executive order, which will go into effect Monday at 8 p.m. Residents are already required to wear masks in grocery stores.
Gov Phil Murphy really had something interesting to say about why we should stay inside and wear mask when we go out for essentials.
"Some may view this as another inconvenience," Murphy said Saturday. "But you know what would be really inconvenient is if you ended up in hospital with COVID-19 or if you infected a family member. We accept this is inconvenient."
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 09:20 AM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has left hospital after being treated for coronavirus, but will not immediately return to work, Downing Street says.
Mr Johnson, 55, was taken to St Thomas' hospital, in London, on Sunday - 10 days after testing positive for the virus.
He had three nights in intensive care before returning to a ward on Thursday.
Downing Street said the PM would continue his recovery at his country residence, Chequers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52262012
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 09:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md6BGwGnekw
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 09:52 AM
The number of people who have died in hospital with coronavirus in the UK passes 10,000, after a daily rise of 737
Good reporting vienna about California :up: see your brain is okay, except for Trump of course :D
...
I have my moments...
However, should I develop any empathy for Trump, or God forbid, an urge to vote for him, well, I would view that as a sign the neurons have failed fatally; I believe that would be an ultimate case of "Trump Derangement"... :haha:
...
Gov Phil Murphy really had something interesting to say about why we should stay inside and wear mask when we go out for essentials.
As I mentioned before, the City of LA is now requiring all essential businesses to adopt a policy of having all their employees wear face masks and likewise allowing those businesses to reuse to admit or serve any customers not wearing masks; the problem seen here in LA is there are virtually none of the usual outlets for masks, pharmacies, hardware stores, etc., with stocks of the masks since almost all available stocks have been routed to the hospitals, first responders, and other entities in dire need of the protection; when I went o pick up a prescription a couple of days ago, I asked the pharmacists if they had any masks available and she said they hadn't had any for sale in well over a week and noted that some places, like Home Depot hardware stores were automatically delivering their stocks to hospitals just as soon as new shipments arrived. I had to go the a Walmart Superstore last Thursday wearing a homemade mask, but when I was walking through the parking lot from the bus stop, there was a young guy selling new masks from a bag he was carrying, so I bought two of the masks, one to wear and one as a spare, just in case...
One additional sight being seen ore often here in SoCal is the installation of plexiglass shields at checkout counters to separate the customers from the clerks; its kind of like a scaled down version of the glass teller windows you'd see at the bank or a standalone version of a theater ticket window; the effect can be sometimes humorous: communications between the customers and the clerks is difficult when both are trying to talk to each other muffled by cloth masks and filtered through the plexiglass shield; mime may have found a way to make a big comeback...
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Mr Quatro
04-12-20, 10:10 AM
I asked the pharmacists if they had any masks available and she said they hadn't had any for sale in well over a week and noted that some places, like Home Depot hardware stores were automatically delivering their stocks to hospitals just as soon as new shipments arrived. I had to go the a Walmart Superstore last Thursday wearing a homemade mask, but when I was walking through the parking lot from the bus stop, there was a young guy selling new masks from a bag he was carrying, so I bought two of the masks, one to wear and one as a spare, just in case...
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Good for you that you bought two more mask I hear the cloth ones don't last very long and that the only mask worth wearing is the N95 mask, but of course they are not available anywhere ... Uncle Sam says they are working on having 39 million N95 mask very soon.
Sounds like at least part of America will continue to wear protective gear for a long time :yep:
I ordered ten (10) cloth masks from newegg two weeks ago for only $10, but they haven't even been shipped yet. Probably some far away country, uh?
https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImage/AF4RS200328rjfCb.jpg
I just checked and they have been shipped:
Shipped
4/11/2020 10:17 PM
SHENZHEN, CHINA
Skybird
04-12-20, 10:11 AM
The hoarders are gathering again. this time they look not for toilet paper, but - condoms.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/world-faces-devastating-health-consequences-global-condom-shortage-strikes
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 11:15 AM
^ No prizes for guessing what they'll be up to during lock down then :03:
Rockstar
04-12-20, 11:27 AM
Very interesting article:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241908771.html
As a WSJ article reported the first documented case in China was on the 1st of December 2019. I'm sure many more before that patient had it but like everyone here probably attributed those cases to being just the flu, bro. To make matters worse up to 24 MILLION people a year make connections at Wuhan International Airport to over 35 international destinations. So I'm sure that didn't help dampen the spread of the virus at all before the year 2020. Which I think gives some credence to the article I posted that some in California believe the virus may have been in their state as early as December as well to that Miami Herald report too.
Spread of infectious disease such as COVID-19 is like death and taxes, its inevitable. Looking at the John Hopkins dashboard absolutely nobody, not one single nation on this pathetic insignificant speck in the universe was able to stop it.
I would like to add. I got to hand it to Boris Johnson that guy got a pair of big brass ones. He could have easily died from exposure. Nobody can accuse him of hiding behind the podium or in his residence.
We could shed a lot of light on the problem with universal testing. I am fairly sure that I had a mild case of it as well as my coworkers over the winter.
Catfish
04-12-20, 11:34 AM
The hoarders are gathering again. this time they look not for toilet paper, but - condoms. [...]
Makes perfect sense ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY
Rockstar
04-12-20, 12:08 PM
We could shed a lot of light on the problem with universal testing. I am fairly sure that I had a mild case of it as well as my coworkers over the winter.
You know such testing might help get things back to normal pretty quickly. With everyone still riding the fear bus and the economy is tanking because of it. Call me crazy, but I cant stop thinking of what ol' Rahm said so many years ago and about whats in store for us down the road.
You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
Rahm Emanuel
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 01:17 PM
A further 737 people have died with coronavirus in UK hospitals, taking the total recorded death toll to 10,612
A public health campaign in Manitoba is using a raven puppet to deliver a message in the Cree language, which is spoken by more than 100,000 indigenous people in Canada.
France’s hospital deaths and ICU patients drop.
The elderly may have to remain in isolation until next year to protect themselves from coronavirus, the EU Commission president has told a German newspaper.
Italy has said it will quarantine and assess the health of 156 migrants aboard a rescue ship off its southern coast, citing concerns over the spread of coronavirus.
Mr Quatro
04-12-20, 01:43 PM
A further 737 people have died with coronavirus in UK hospitals, taking the total recorded death toll to 10,612
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You know what's sad? They were dying when they got there (to the hospital) :yep:
Aktungbby
04-12-20, 01:45 PM
^ No prizes for guessing what they'll be up to during lock down then :03:could be like the great '65 NorthEast black-out baby boom....hey if you can't 'vacate'...then 'fornicate'!! A primal variation of the K.IS.S. in the dark principle??:k_confused:
Mr Quatro
04-12-20, 01:50 PM
could be like the great NorthEast black-out baby boom!!:k_confused:
No social distancing 17 years ago :yep:
The Northeast blackout of 2003 was a widespread power outage throughout parts of the Northeastern and Midwestern United States, and the Canadian province of Ontario on August 14–28, 2003
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 01:55 PM
No social distancing 17 years ago :yep:
More akin to social interaction.
More akin to social interaction.
If you can't be quarantined with the one you love,
Love the one you're quarantined with.
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 02:18 PM
If you can't be quarantined with the one you love,
Love the one you're quarantined with.
Precisely :yep:
Rockstar
04-12-20, 02:26 PM
Here's a pleasant surprise, makes me feel like were actually getting something accomplished now. Just went to the John Hopkins Dashboard and found a new category 'Total Tested in the U.S.' and Total Hospitalized' Generously rounding up ALMOST but not quite 1/100th of our population so far. No test data available for any other country yet.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
New type of symptoms
Some coronavirus patients may suffer neurological problems such as dizziness, headaches and impaired consciousness, according to a study released Friday.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/10/nearly-half-of-severe-covid-19-cases-showed-neurological-symptoms/
Markus
Mr Quatro
04-12-20, 02:40 PM
Just ordered a few things from Walmart suggested delivery date is May 7th
Arrives by Thu, May 7
Great Value Organic Dijon Mustard, 8 oz
$1.76
Great Value Ultra Strong Paper Towels, 2 Double Rolls
$3.67
McCormick Ground Turmeric, 5.87 oz
$5.98
Ritz Crackers, Original, Party Size, 27.4 oz
$4.58
Great Value Organic Extra Virgin Olive Oil 25.5 fl oz
$5.70
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 02:46 PM
I've managed to snag a home delivery slot from ASDA for May 9th but I have up until 48hrs before that to add to the list.
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 02:49 PM
Oil-producing countries have agreed to a deal to cut global production by almost 10% in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
The price of oil has slumped this year because of the crisis.
The negotiations included the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), Russia, the United States of America and Mexico.
It amounts to a worldwide reduction of about 9.7 million oil barrels every day from 1 May.
It could also mark the end of a price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia.
Catfish
04-12-20, 02:51 PM
Oil-producing countries have agreed to a deal to cut global production by almost 10% in response to the coronavirus pandemic. [...]
Does that make any sense?
Mr Quatro
04-12-20, 02:53 PM
Does that make any sense?
Not to me gas is $1.67 a gal now
Jimbuna
04-12-20, 02:55 PM
Does that make any sense?
I think the reasoning behind the move is there is a glut of supplies and a reduction in usage therefore the cut in price to maintain some fathom of cost effectiveness.
Does that make any sense?
Less demand for the foreseeable future. :hmmm:
Why refine crude into petroleum if no one's buying?
Catfish
04-12-20, 02:59 PM
^ Economically of course it makes sense, to me it looks like raising the prices for bread when people need it most.
Not to me gas is $1.67 a gal now
Nice to see gas prices low for the consumer, too bad we have no place to go right now.
Skybird
04-12-20, 03:42 PM
^ Economically of course it makes sense, to me it looks like raising the prices for bread when people need it most.
Bread is not made of oil.
Private traffic and truck traffic are down. Overproduction had triggered a oil price war between Russia and China and US fracking companies even already before Corona. If supply is higher than demand, you cut it back. Logical. Deamnd and supply, we stick to it as long as we have nothign better. State planned economy goals? No thanks. We just have seen once again how well state plans work - with masks.
If you think this oil price thing is a biggie, wait until it dawns upon you and most others what it really means that the central banks devalueing further the "money" by several further trillions, and the ECB and the European South again try to enforce the collectivization of national debts. Big things are about to happen due to this. Unfortunately at 180° the wrong direction.
Mr Quatro
04-12-20, 04:02 PM
Nice to see gas prices low for the consumer, too bad we have no place to go right now.
So true I've only gone forty (40) miles in the last four weeks :o
Catfish
04-12-20, 04:03 PM
Then it is good that food etc. is not brought into the cities by trucks that depend on oild and gas, belonging to companies that do not make much money right now.
Skybird
04-12-20, 04:22 PM
In Europe and especially Germany, over 50%, on some days up to 70% of all truck rides/times on duty are currently empty drives. The drivers desperately search for cargo , must accept prices of just 25% and even less of what the customer usually must pay. Foreign drivers from outside Germany currently can masisvely abus elegal obligations and have more drives before they must leave the coutnry again, than usual (three transports in a row, then they must leave Germany, usually). This pushes prices down even further.
Your bread gets moved around and into your city, dont worry. So does your flour to bake it. Trust it. They currently can cut your bread into three pieces and have it shipped to you in three trucks. Transport capacity en masse is free currently.
Then it is good that food etc. is not brought into the cities by trucks that depend on oild and gas, belonging to companies that do not make much money right now.
You might be taking a few leaps there. :03:
Gasoline prices are low due to low demand from regular traffic.
Diesel prices were going low due to the oil war between OPEC and Russia when all of this started.
Shipping companies (in the US) are working overtime right now and hiring drivers. The "hours available" rules for US truck drivers have been put on hold so the essentials (food) can be shipped. In the big picture, shipping companies will be making some big money for the duration of the emergency.
What skews the picture is that many/most of us are camped out on our sofas. :yep:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/21/nyc-health-department-gets-graphic-in-coronavirus-sex-memo/ Buy the way where the hell is our Congress Woman Ocassio Cortez.
Onkel Neal
04-12-20, 06:26 PM
Posted 02-02-2020, 06:54 AM
A man has died of the coronavirus in the Philippines, the first confirmed fatality outside China.
The patient was a 44-year-old Chinese man from Wuhan, in Hubei province, where the virus was first detected.
He appeared to have been infected before arriving in the Philippines, the World Health Organization (WHO) said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51345855
Ah, remember the days of olde when the FIRST death outside of China was reported?
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=3080&d=1586733965
Mr Quatro
04-12-20, 09:16 PM
Ah, remember the days of olde when the FIRST death outside of China was reported?
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=3080&d=1586733965
I remember when it was called the Wuhan virus before it had a name covid-19 and there were only five deaths in a retirement home in Kirkland, Washington
March 4th 2020th
Sure spread fast over 3,300 deaths in nursing homes across the nation :yep:
Good for you that you bought two more mask I hear the cloth ones don't last very long and that the only mask worth wearing is the N95 mask, but of course they are not available anywhere ... Uncle Sam says they are working on having 39 million N95 mask very soon.
Sounds like at least part of America will continue to wear protective gear for a long time :yep:
I ordered ten (10) cloth masks from newegg two weeks ago for only $10, but they haven't even been shipped yet. Probably some far away country, uh?
....
I just checked and they have been shipped:
Shipped
4/11/2020 10:17 PM
SHENZHEN, CHINA
You're lucky they've shipped, but if the package is coming from China directly, it could still be a bit of a while before you receive it; items shipped from China have a notorious reputation for delay, not just in China, but also here in the US...
There was a report on the local CBS radio affiliate concerning the massive backlog in order fulfillment by sites such as Amazon and other e-retailers; the sites are prioritizing fulfillment and shipping on the basis of essential need, so an order for, say, your face masks might be handled as usual, if not expedited, while an order for something like a book is going to be put on hold until the essential orders are filled...
The masks I bought from the guy in the parking lot are very well made and professionally sewn; I did inspect the quality before purchase; the idea for two is to have one to wear and then wash and the second to wear while the other one dries, and then cycle them alternately...
You know such testing might help get things back to normal pretty quickly. With everyone still riding the fear bus and the economy is tanking because of it. Call me crazy, but I cant stop thinking of what ol' Rahm said so many years ago and about whats in store for us down the road.
You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
Rahm Emanuel
A big hope for a positive result of the pandemic is that those who are charged with the detection, prevention, treating, and mitigation/curing of future pandemics *and there will be future outbreaks) will use this crisis as a template for responses in the future. A few posts back, a reference was made to 'what did he know and when did he know it' in regards to CA Gov. Newsom; We've already seen and heard Mr. "Who Knew? Nobody knew" and there has been recent evidence he actually did know, and rather early, at that. This article details how an awful lot of persons in the government, at all levels, were deeply concern and expressed their concerns about a possible pandemic, only to be ignored by the White House:
'We have thrown 15 years of institutional learning out the window': Leaked emails show top public health experts raised alarm about the Trump administration's botched coronavirus response --
https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-emails-show-experts-alarm-over-trump-admin-coronavirus-response-2020-4
Rahm Emanuel may not be right about everything, but he nailed it in his comment: this is a time to not only flex the nations ability to address and adapt to an extremely serious crisis, it is also a time to set in motion a framework to prepare to address future outbreaks with out the failures being evidenced now; its the old 'Don't learn from the past, repeat it in the future' idea...
One thing we will need to learn and avoid repeating is strong, competent, knowledgeable, and attentive leadership...
New type of symptoms
Some coronavirus patients may suffer neurological problems such as dizziness, headaches and impaired consciousness, according to a study released Friday. ...
Hmm... I just call that any day ending in the letter "Y"...
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Skybird
04-13-20, 04:38 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/snowden-governments-using-pandemic-build-architecture-oppression-surveillance
Do you truly believe that when the first wave, this second wave, the 16th wave of the coronavirus is a long-forgotten memory, that these capabilities will not be kept? That these datasets will not be kept? No matter how it is being used, what’ is being built is the architecture of oppression
Indeed I had to swallow twice when i heard that apple and Google cooperate to bring mandatory tracking to smartphones via devic eupdates that you cannot skip, and what use is it to leave your smartphone at home if you then would not get entrance into stores and groceries anymore?
Very, very dangerous grounds. Any totalitarian control-freak's wet dream. Reminds of how they want to push people into vulnerability to state plundering by making cash payment unavailable.Reminds of how basic civil rights have been undermined after 9/11. Reminds of how free press gets systematically eroded and defamed.
skidman
04-13-20, 05:08 AM
^ah, Zero Hedge again. Those who were banned from Twitter after claiming the virus was a Chinese construct. Weirdos!
In my last post, the article linked refers to a New York Times publishing of emails sent between experts in the field of pandemics and pandemic response who as early as late Jan 2020 were sounding the alarm about the coming Covid-19 crisis. This link is to a PDF of the published emails:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6879-2020-covid-19-red-dawn-rising/66f590d5cd41e11bea0f/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
It is very interesting reading since the actual level of detail and known facts in the emails is kind of glossed over in the article; if you choose to read it, its a total of 80 pages; if you want to see just how on the money the experts were, start on Page 8 of the PDF where Dr. Eva K. Lee details an approach to and rationale for addressing a possible pandemic...
It looks like an awful lot of people who have actual expertise were very active in trying to get those in power to listen...
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Skybird
04-13-20, 05:43 AM
Actually it is Edward Snowden raising the questions, not Zero Hedge. They are just the messenger.
Being banned by politically most correctly acting pretenders like Twitter or Facebook who farm their own fish in the most murky of waters and treat their victims quite underhandedly and paternalistically, actually is a commendation.
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