US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Buddahaid]

Yes, it's been known for several days and being prepared for. The brainiacs of Trump's violently disgruntled are communicating through their possibly Chinese made cell phones that it's a trap. Gee, really? :o:O:

I almost wish it happens so more of the clowns can be convicted of felonies and stripped of their weapons. "Their gonna take our guns!" Well yes, when you use them to commit a felony. :hmmm::o:doh:

[MaDef]

Skybird hammers in the coffin nails!
:yeah:
Bstanko flails upon the pine box wailing
:wah:
The rest of us stand dumbfounded.
:doh:
:hmmm:

And I sit over here and watch you kids argue with amusement.:up:

[bstanko6]

Feats of strength...

I understand what you’re saying. You make a great argument. The problem I have is I will never call that man president… Because of what he did with the ATF agents of Waco.

You don’t kill women and children! And Biden let them go!

That’s worse than Hillary Clinton allowing those Benghazi people to get killed. You don’t do that to your people man.

That will never be values of a president.

I’ll take the rants and raves of trump any day over a scumbag like Biden.

[bstanko6]

And to those of you making fun of me and the conversations...

This is why the military has been mobilized.

People feel like they aren’t being taken seriously.

So they lash out and do crazy things. Politics should be discussed in a back and forth way. I have asked more than several times for anyone here to give me a comprehensive plan Biden has pitched during the campaign that was better than Trumps... so I can review it. No one has been able to do that.

I get made fun of, when you guys put a blind man in the driver seat of a car.

Please... sell me your candidate! Tell me why he is better.

[Rockstar]

News Flash Bstanko6. Your hopes and dreams of another 4 years of Trump officially ended 14 December 2020 and was later confirmed 06 January 2021. Like it or not Joe Biden will be sworn in as 46th President of the United States. Get over it.

I'm beginning to think eddie is right.

[bstanko6]

Making more fun?

I’m asking a serious question.

[Sonicfire1981]

here's from a european: you're far better off without that president. The us in particular,and the world as a whole. The reasons are manyfold, let me just drop "inf" and "clear skies" in the ring and how much healthier it is to have less countries with nuclear arsenal. Ask the kurds how important it is to have reliable allies... just from the top of my head and from a geopolitical standpoint.
Let's not talk about his personality, let me just say he reminds me more of a four-year-old, he's a pathological liar and cares for nothing but himself (why did he stop pardoning criminals just as he found out that he can't pardon himself?).

One thing Biden will do better (apart from not being trump) is economically focusing on renewable energy. It's fast growing industry with a huge vacant market and frankly there will be not enough left to sustain a fossil industry in 80 years tops.
If you want more I need to do a quick research

[Rockstar]

This is why the military has been mobilized.The military has been mobilized because certain groups of people (sans the peaceful assemblies) want to trash a constitutional and lawful process of how things have been done for well over two hundred years.

People feel like they aren’t being taken seriously.Do what that poor fella in California is doing collect the signatures and make the changes the right, lawful and acceptable way.

So they lash out and do crazy things. Politics should be discussed in a back and forth way. I have asked more than several times for anyone here to give me a comprehensive plan Biden has pitched during the campaign that was better than Trumps... so I can review it. No one has been able to do that.Our constitutional right is the freedom to peaceably assemble. Lashing out and doing crazy things because "nobody told me" is not in anyway shape or form and excuse to harm life or property nor is it a constitutional right. Its just shows people like that are lazy with no real interest in anything other than to cause strife and animosity.


I get made fun of, when you guys put a blind man in the driver seat of a car. And rightfully so. Just because you haven't put in the time and effort to look for yourself what Biden's plans for the future might be doesn't mean everyone else should have to suffer for it. Like I said above 'nobody told me' isn't an excuse for bad behavior.

[Rockstar]

here's from a european: you're far better off without that president. The us in particular,and the world as a whole. The reasons are manyfold, let me just drop "inf" and "clear skies" in the ring and how much healthier it is to have less countries with nuclear arsenal. Ask the kurds how important it is to have reliable allies... just from the top of my head and from a geopolitical standpoint.
Let's not talk about his personality, let me just say he reminds me more of a four-year-old, he's a pathological liar and cares for nothing but himself (why did he stop pardoning criminals just as he found out that he can't pardon himself?).


I believe this came up before. There are several Kurd factions and of these Kurd factions some aren't even all that friendly towards each other. So before we start again about how Trump abandoned those poor Kurds. We should clarify which ones we are talking about. Some Kurds we support others we do do not. Just last December we were asked by the Iraqi Kurds ,whom incidentally we do support, to help patrol their borders with Syria and against those Syrian Kurd factions which neither we or the Iraqi Kurds support


One thing Biden will do better (apart from not being trump) is economically focusing on renewable energy. It's fast growing industry with a huge vacant market and frankly there will be not enough left to sustain a fossil industry in 80 years tops. ...No doubt it is a very fast growing industry. So much so, that regardless of how Trump may think of it. Renewable energy is a top investment category here in the U.S. I'm into Graphene and Superconductors ;)

[Mr Quatro]

here's from a european: you're far better off without that president. The us in particular,and the world as a whole. The reasons are manyfold, let me just drop "inf" and "clear skies" in the ring and how much healthier it is to have less countries with nuclear arsenal. Ask the kurds how important it is to have reliable allies... just from the top of my head and from a geopolitical standpoint.
Let's not talk about his personality, let me just say he reminds me more of a four-year-old, he's a pathological liar and cares for nothing but himself (why did he stop pardoning criminals just as he found out that he can't pardon himself?).

One thing Biden will do better (apart from not being trump) is economically focusing on renewable energy. It's fast growing industry with a huge vacant market and frankly there will be not enough left to sustain a fossil industry in 80 years tops.
If you want more I need to do a quick research

Two trillion tax dollars down the drain except for the payroll of course of which some will come back for sure to the economy ... :up:

Only God can change the weather for better not man :yep:

Biden first day in office is to rejoin the Paris accord agreement which allows China and India to keep using coal while USA has to stop and one more small item Biden is going to do.

Take the Muslim's off the no fly list :o

[bstanko6]

Sonicfire.... thank you!

You are literally the only person who answered my question! That is an Example of a helpful person.

And no Rockstar I couldn’t find what Biden wanted to do because he never campaigned with it! All he did was slam Trump!

I been a silent paying member for a long time, in good standing. Never budding in to your guys conversation. Listening and watching.

I even got an award for helping others and that’s not to brag.

I came to this thread to get a better understanding of why people would pick Joe Biden over Trump. Trump doesn’t bother me because he exercise his first amendment speech. I don’t care that he rants and raves. But people here in the thread are slamming my president when their future president has nothing to offer. And they slam me because I choose to speak about merit over humans being imperfect. Yes Trump is imperfect!

So guys like SONICFIRE who gives me some thing other than just smart ass comments and “he’s better than Trump” thank you! I appreciate that!

[Wolferz]

To those I've poked fun at I apologize if you consider it an insult.
I just get a little sarcastic when I see stupidity because I learned long ago that I can't fix stupid, I also learned that "insult" can't be given unless it is taken.
Dropping another pearl in the ocean here too.
You can't see the American dream unless you're asleep.
WAke up!
Way too many people suffering from Cranial-Rectal Syndrome
Which is easily remedied by bending over as far as you can, firmly grasping both shoulders and pulling until you hear a loud pop! (The sound of your head coming out of your evacuation port)
If I can do it, anybody can.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

So, has anyone mentioned Trump possibly selling pardons, yet?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/trump-pardons.html

[mapuc]

In the news here in Denmark they had interviewet This woman's family and they was very critical towards Trump-They said he was guilty for her death.

This made me sad...Yes Trump has a lot to stand trial for. But this female was old enough to know what she was doing and should have known the risk involved when trying to break into a government building-So this dead how tragic it may sound can only be her own fault.

(Sorry but this is how I see it)

Markus

[Sonicfire1981]

So before we start again about how Trump abandoned those poor Kurds. We should clarify which ones we are talking about. Some Kurds we support others we do do not.


Well those that helped in syria and were left alone as turkey campaigned against them. My point wasn't the kurds specifically, but how reliable the US has been as an ally in the last 4 years. Pretty sure you debated Iraq and Afghanistan as well. it's fine, I won't insist on specifics but will point out that the US lost a fair amount of credibility & reliability. Many would not even have been surprised if the US split from NATO, because it's not a good deal for trump or a good deal but not made by trump and therefore would need to go (like the Iran deal).

But actually I was in all honesty trying to answer the trumpeteers question what Joe Biden would do better. From an external standpoint.

[Sonicfire1981]

And they slam me because I choose to speak about merit over humans being imperfect. Yes Trump is imperfect!


But he's not even trying. I can't recall him taking responsibility for .. anything.


So guys like SONICFIRE who gives me some thing other than just smart ass comments and “he’s better than Trump” thank you! I appreciate that!

So are you cured then?

[Aktungbby]

To those I've poked fun at I apologize if you consider it an insult.
I just get a little sarcastic when I see stupidity because I learned long ago that I can't fix stupid, I also learned that "insult" can't be given unless it is taken.
Dropping another pearl in the ocean here too.
You can't see the American dream unless you're asleep.
WAke up!
Way too many people suffering from Cranial-Rectal Syndrome
Which is easily remedied by bending over as far as you can, firmly grasping both shoulders and pulling until you hear a loud pop! (The sound of your head coming out of your evacuation port)
If I can do it, anybody can....don't apologise; just ask the moderator to move this thread to "the bilge" to save bandwidth! "The business of 'Merika is business":yeah:(Silent Cal Coolidge) so Aricept sales will be up with Joeschmo B. Viagra sales will be down W/O "Stormy Donald Frump" and Corona virus vaccine...(2 shots each!!??) will enrich the the drug industry even as Prohibition enriched the Cosa Nostra. Perhaps Honest Abe Linkum was right "We should apologise to her majesty( E.R. II) and beg to be taken back"...the experiment in Democratic equality having failed miserably!:hmph:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/23/forbes-estimates-china-paid-trump-at-least-54-million-since-he-took-office-via-mysterious-trump-tower-lease/?sh=79ffb357ed11

"Forbes Estimates China Paid Trump At Least $5.4 Million Since He Took Office, Via Mysterious Trump Tower Lease"

"Trump has other financial connections to China. The New York Times revealed Tuesday that the U.S. president has a bank account in China. His daughter, Ivanka Trump, received 41 Chinese trademarks from the time she was appointed a White House adviser in March 2017 to April 2019, according to an analysis of documents. The review also showed that the trademarks Ivanka applied for after her father’s inauguration got approved about 40% faster than those she sought out beforehand."

Interesting how bstanko6 completely ignored this post...

Well, I presume he ignored this post.

Forbes isn't exactly a mouthpiece for the Democrats..

[u crank]

I came to this thread to get a better understanding of why people would pick Joe Biden over Trump.

Apparently it had something to do with his behavior.

Trump doesn’t bother me because he exercise his first amendment speech.

You're only one person. In many ways Trump was the author of his own demise. He and maybe you couldn't see that what you say and how you say it is as important as what you do ... if you are the President. Maybe you don't care but obviously a lot of people did.

But people here in the thread are slamming my president when their future president has nothing to offer.

That is the nature of politics. What Biden is offering most likely isn't to your liking but the same can be said about Trump when he came into office. And what Joe Biden and the Democrats are offering is not a secret. It is easily found if you try.

[bstanko6]

@sonicfire....

No he really hasn’t taken responsibility. But In my opinion, he most likely doesn’t care...

Look at it this way, he was never taken serious during the run for presidency. After 19 minutes of being elected as president, the Democrats filed an impeachment against him, they did nothing to work with him, his own party made fun of him before he got into office.

I admire Trump because he was attacked on all sides for four long years. Social media and mainstream media were completely terrible towards him. The man was given no Quarter at any point during his political career. Why would he care about what other people think?

When I was in the military, and now as a police officer, I was always told that you’re only as good as the weakest member in your team. So that meant we have to build up a person in order to make them better. No one even tried to help trump become a better person, much less a better president!

Pelosi offered no assistance or compromise. Mitch McConnell was nowhere to be found to assist Trump in any of his dealings, well the bare minimum.

Any appointments, or comments, or any philosophies Trump made was always met with racism, sexism, or some kind of “ism” that no one likes.

Katie Rich from Saturday night live was attacking his little son Baron. Calling him names and things like he’s the next school shooter!

When he killed that terrorist with a drone strike he was called a monster. I can’t reMember the guys name. But apparently he was a big shot caller.

They made it personal against him.

They politically assassinated his career before it even took off. So I kind of see where he’s coming from where he just doesn’t give a damn.

And before people saying that he killed his own career… We voted for him the way he was and it was a landslide. People knew what they were getting when they voted trump in office.

[mapuc]

Now hear this:

The night between Jan. 31 and Feb. 1 Your memory of Trump will disappear. You will not in any way remember him. The word Trump will also disappear from this forum and everywhere else.

After Feb. 1 you will only know that Joe Biden won against Obama.

Markus

[bstanko6]

Mapuc...

Trump will be the most remembered president of our lifetime... the Dems have chiseled that in the halls of democracy! The election will be debated for decades, and the integrity of congress from this day forever will be suspect!

The Dems just immortalized Trump.

And may even signed their own arrest warrants.

[Buddahaid]

https://apnews.com/article/15698f808c344964afcc6ddd6e960240

"WASHINGTON (AP) — In claiming that he scored “a massive landslide victory” in last month’s presidential election, Donald Trump turned history upside down.

In fact, his winning margin in the Electoral College is on the other end of the historical spectrum, far closer to the narrowest win in history than to the widest."

[mapuc]

^^ My comment was meant as a joke.

Markus

[Sonicfire1981]

Come on mate, you can bring a better argument than that.

You don't make the underdog in school, which is a little weird and socially withdrawn because noone likes him prom King.

And I flat out doubt most what you're saying - gop had his back for a long time - I'm not emotionally short fused, but if I got sold out like Pence just before 6th January - I would have pulled the 25th in an instant.
If I ran versus Trump in the pre-elections (what's it called ? ) and had to hear what Cruz got to hear - there would not be much support expected from me.
If McConnell really were against him - the senate would discuss the case right now.
Instead large portions are still afraid of Trumps violent fan base, or are certainly bribed /bought (like graham, who went to dinner with trump and became the most ardent follower over it).

TL/DR - even *if* someone has reasons to give a rats *** about me or my needs - I don't make him my president. Ever.

EDIT: also don't forget about the narcisistic personality. He does care. he does nothing but care and lashes out left and right because of it. like a 4year old, which I already mentioned.

[Sonicfire1981]

^^ My comment was meant as a joke.

Markus

I like it.

[Aktungbby]

Now hear this:

The night between Jan. 31 and Feb. 1 Your memory of Trump will disappear. You will not in any way remember him. The word Trump will also disappear from this forum and everywhere else.

After Feb. 1 you will only know that Joe Biden won against Obama.

Markushttps://media.tenor.com/images/8ae07e5ff85a468ce34ddae197813c98/tenor.gif @ Buddahaid! https://www.instructables.com/Worlds-Simplest-Neuralizer-build-Men-in-Black-Memo/

[bstanko6]

Mapuc...

Thank god. I appreciate the honesty.

[bstanko6]

Sonicfire...

I’m glad you brought that up. There’s something in this country called a RINO.

Republican in name only!

McConnell and Romney are great examples.

They’re working against Trump, but they don’t want their party to look terrible. So they’re doing everything they can to compromise with the Democrats to get things done and put themselves in a better position when Biden takes over.

Been going on for years!

[Sonicfire1981]

Sonicfire...

So they’re doing everything they can to compromise with the Democrats to get things done and

That's their job, actually.

[mapuc]

I like it.

The best part is the Person him self Mr. Trump

He tries to convince his surroundings that he once was The President of USA. The only reply he will get is.

Yea right, maybe in your fantasies
Or
Again you are pulling one of your imaginary stories, no one believe you.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

If this were in the UK I'd possibly be fearing for my family.
Not aimed at you Jim. BUT!
Maybe someone should recall History.

SATURDAY, MARCH 4, 1933
I am certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our Nation impels. This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself--nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.

In such a spirit on my part and on yours we face our common difficulties. They concern, thank God, only material things. Values have shrunken to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay has fallen; government of all kinds is faced by serious curtailment of income; the means of exchange are frozen in the currents of trade; the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side; farmers find no markets for their produce; the savings of many years in thousands of families are gone.

More important, a host of unemployed citizens face the grim problem of existence, and an equally great number toil with little return. Only a foolish optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment.

Yet our distress comes from no failure of substance. We are stricken by no plague of locusts. Compared with the perils which our forefathers conquered because they believed and were not afraid, we have still much to be thankful for. Nature still offers her bounty and human efforts have multiplied it. Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply. Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.

True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.

The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.

Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy and moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves and to our fellow men.

Recognition of the falsity of material wealth as the standard of success goes hand in hand with the abandonment of the false belief that public office and high political position are to be valued only by the standards of pride of place and personal profit; and there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing. Small wonder that confidence languishes, for it thrives only on honesty, on honor, on the sacredness of obligations, on faithful protection, on unselfish performance; without them it cannot live.

Restoration calls, however, not for changes in ethics alone. This Nation asks for action, and action now.

Our greatest primary task is to put people to work. This is no unsolvable problem if we face it wisely and courageously. It can be accomplished in part by direct recruiting by the Government itself, treating the task as we would treat the emergency of a war, but at the same time, through this employment, accomplishing greatly needed projects to stimulate and reorganize the use of our natural resources.

Hand in hand with this we must frankly recognize the overbalance of population in our industrial centers and, by engaging on a national scale in a redistribution, endeavor to provide a better use of the land for those best fitted for the land. The task can be helped by definite efforts to raise the values of agricultural products and with this the power to purchase the output of our cities. It can be helped by preventing realistically the tragedy of the growing loss through foreclosure of our small homes and our farms. It can be helped by insistence that the Federal, State, and local governments act forthwith on the demand that their cost be drastically reduced. It can be helped by the unifying of relief activities which today are often scattered, uneconomical, and unequal. It can be helped by national planning for and supervision of all forms of transportation and of communications and other utilities which have a definitely public character. There are many ways in which it can be helped, but it can never be helped merely by talking about it. We must act and act quickly.

Finally, in our progress toward a resumption of work we require two safeguards against a return of the evils of the old order; there must be a strict supervision of all banking and credits and investments; there must be an end to speculation with other people's money, and there must be provision for an adequate but sound currency.

There are the lines of attack. I shall presently urge upon a new Congress in special session detailed measures for their fulfillment, and I shall seek the immediate assistance of the several States.

Through this program of action we address ourselves to putting our own national house in order and making income balance outgo. Our international trade relations, though vastly important, are in point of time and necessity secondary to the establishment of a sound national economy. I favor as a practical policy the putting of first things first. I shall spare no effort to restore world trade by international economic readjustment, but the emergency at home cannot wait on that accomplishment.

The basic thought that guides these specific means of national recovery is not narrowly nationalistic. It is the insistence, as a first consideration, upon the interdependence of the various elements in all parts of the United States--a recognition of the old and permanently important manifestation of the American spirit of the pioneer. It is the way to recovery. It is the immediate way. It is the strongest assurance that the recovery will endure.

In the field of world policy I would dedicate this Nation to the policy of the good neighbor--the neighbor who resolutely respects himself and, because he does so, respects the rights of others-- the neighbor who respects his obligations and respects the sanctity of his agreements in and with a world of neighbors.

If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife.

With this pledge taken, I assume unhesitatingly the leadership of this great army of our people dedicated to a disciplined attack upon our common problems.

Action in this image and to this end is feasible under the form of government which we have inherited from our ancestors. Our Constitution is so simple and practical that it is possible always to meet extraordinary needs by changes in emphasis and arrangement without loss of essential form. That is why our constitutional system has proved itself the most superbly enduring political mechanism the modern world has produced. It has met every stress of vast expansion of territory, of foreign wars, of bitter internal strife, of world relations.

It is to be hoped that the normal balance of executive and legislative authority may be wholly adequate to meet the unprecedented task before us. But it may be that an unprecedented demand and need for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from that normal balance of public procedure.

I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption.

But in the event that the Congress shall fail to take one of these two courses, and in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis--broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe.

For the trust reposed in me I will return the courage and the devotion that befit the time. I can do no less.

We face the arduous days that lie before us in the warm courage of the national unity; with the clear consciousness of seeking old and precious moral values; with the clean satisfaction that comes from the stem performance of duty by old and young alike. We aim at the assurance of a rounded and permanent national life.

We do not distrust the future of essential democracy. The people of the United States have not failed. In their need they have registered a mandate that they want direct, vigorous action. They have asked for discipline and direction under leadership. They have made me the present instrument of their wishes. In the spirit of the gift I take it.

In this dedication of a Nation we humbly ask the blessing of God. May He protect each and every one of us. May He guide me in the days to come.

[bstanko6]

Can anyone talk comfort?

What good will President Harris bring? That condescending evil liar!

[Jeff-Groves]

Can anyone talk comfort?

What good will President Harris bring? That condescending evil liar!

No one owes you comfort.
I don't get the question. And who is President Harris?
:hmmm:

[Sonicfire1981]

Can anyone talk comfort?

What good will President Harris bring? That condescending evil liar!

Objection. Hearsay

[Sonicfire1981]

The best part is the Person him self Mr. Trump

He tries to convince his surroundings that he once was The President of USA. The only reply he will get is.

Yea right, maybe in your fantasies
Or
Again you are pulling one of your imaginary stories, no one believe you.

Markus

I like it even more. can we get deep state to pull this off?

[Mr Quatro]

Can anyone talk comfort?

What good will President Harris bring? That condescending evil liar!

Give her credit for telling the truth one time when she was running for POTUS against Biden and said, "That she believed the women that claimed he fondled them" :o

[Jeff-Groves]

One thing that I'd like to know.
Say Washington was taken by force.
How would they ever hold it and what difference would it make to take the White house?
You have any idea how easy it is to cut the supply lines?
Given just the heavy equipment in my local village it would be easy to drop/destroy every bridge and railroad track within a few miles of me.
That could be done in a day. Even counting transportation of equipment to complete that.

So you cut all further resupply and starve the people out.
Not that that hasn't been done in the past.

The big Cities don't mean much to us in the outer areas. We'd just setup to stop those fleeing towards us.
Come armed? You'd die.
We are not the Big City folks that hunt for fun. We are the People that are the back bone of life for Big City Folks.
We are the Farmers, the ones that raise the Cattle they eat in fancy restaurants or buy at the market.
How many of them have raised, killed, and butchered their dinner?

How long do you really think they could survive coming into our area?

[mapuc]

For many the shock will come on Wednesday 20th of January, when they see Biden taking the oath as the next President.

It will be then they realize it's finally over-The tiny hope they had-is gone.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

There is no shock.
You over play things at times.

I see mostly concerns about the large Cities. If you check? Those are NOT the majority of My Country!
They are a small part of the population with granted, a lot of influence to the World.
One may not want to overestimate that value!

A very non consequential country was under estimated once.
One where you'd think it would be an easy invasion.
Didn't go real well for the invaders.

Ask Dowly about that.

What you have here in the USA is many very well trained War Fighters no longer doing active service.
That does not mean they do not honor their oath or why they served.
You in other Countries seem to discount us. Not remember that some also died for your people.

You can attack my Country with your thoughts and words. That is why the beaches in France were stained red once with our Country's young mens blood.

Some of you may need to ask your grand parent's about those times. Ask them. Did they protect those hauled off to death camps?
Or take the easy way and just turn a blind eye?
Then ask them IF they had a choice that did not involve their death.

It's a matter of survival for most. The brave choose to act on other grounds and survival is just a lucky happening of that choice.

Those that really believe the D.C. thing was more then a bunch of Selfie taking Clowns trying to get famous are delusional.
There is no overthrow of the Government happening here. It's sales for the News.

[Skybird]

1898: When white supremacists overthrew a US government

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55648011


Following state elections in 1898, white supremacists moved into the US port of Wilmington, North Carolina, then the largest city in the state. They destroyed black-owned businesses, murdered black residents, and forced the elected local government - a coalition of white and black politicians - to resign en masse.


Historians have described it as the only coup in US history. Its ringleaders took power the same day as the insurrection and swiftly brought in laws to strip voting and civil rights from the state's black population. They faced no consequences.

[u crank]

No one owes you comfort.
I don't get the question. And who is President Harris?
:hmmm:

President in the Twilight zone.

[Onkel Neal]

Biden to yank Keystone XL permit on first day of presidency

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/17/biden-yank-keystone-pipeline-permit-460142

[vienna]

So, President-Elect Biden wins the largest ever popular vote in US history, with a clear majority of the popular vote, wins the Electoral College by the same proportion Trump once self-described as a "landslide", is part of the retaking of the Senate by the DEMS and the control of both Houses of Congress by the DEMs and putting the DEMs in control of the White House...

In the four years since Trump took office, the GOP resoundingly lost the House in 2018, the Senate in 2020, lost the popular vote in 2016 (not even managing to eke out anything near a plurality), lost the popular vote in 2020 and, by his own description, lost the Electoral College by a "landslide", and failed to get reelected to a second term, losing control of the White House to the DEMs...

...all in all, not a real great bargain for the GOP...


Say, if Biden is Biden is called the President-Elect, now that Trump has had his ass handed to him, can we call Trump the President-Reject?...




<O>

[Skybird]

From Austrian blogger Andreas Unterberger's blog: Trumps stupid Capital assault hobby has betrayed him of two acchievements where his team indeed has scored very big time: the peace project in the ME, and the recognition of Taiwan. I think he neither cares, becasuje his ego gets no profit from it, nor did this come from his mind, but it was the team. Hwioever, by effect and consequences coming form it, these two things stand out.

I took some time to make up my mind over the ME peace deas, saw it a a suspicious thing that these were paid for with access to F35s, but I think in the long run more than just a technology transfer can come from this. Welcoming Taiwan's recognition, is a no-brainer, however. Taiwian deserves it, it frees the US of its comfortable self-deception that led to this schizophrenia, and it confronts China. Three positives.

It is to be expected that the new govenrment will try its best to ruin the possibilities in these developments, unfortunately. Biden will maybe conitnue to play toguz over China. But the ME? I am not so certain. The poor corrupt Palestinians, the precious Iran deal, the wonderful Turks, and all that lament... Being against Israel, is a leftist obsession, "and the Left is strong in this one..."

I must post the full text, since Google does not translate via just the site link on this, which usually it woudl do.


The US Democrats can now pull through a very left-wing program with breathtaking radicalism, since they control all decision-making bodies except for the supreme court, since almost all classic media and the entire entertainer scene agitate for them, and since the US Republicans like being groggy and leaderless on the ropes after a suicide attempt. The Democrats can do this because they have skillfully hyped up the serious mistakes of Donald Trump and the criminal chaos actions of hundreds of demonstrators into a gigantic coup attempt, even though they were not. But not only this shift to the left is a devastating consequence of these actions by Trump and the chaos. In the same way, Trump would have to slap his supporters and himself for the fact that his existing pluses are totally lost. Because in the last few days his team has achieved one and a half truly historic successes in the field of foreign policy, with which Trump's record actually surpasses many of his predecessors.

However, in Trump's refusal to accept the court rulings, and in the storming of his supporters into the congress building, the Democrats have found an excuse, which has also been reiterated by many media: they are now bucking all of Joe Biden’s verbal promises of wanting to become a moderate president. If one has to fear for America's democracy, it is not because of the Trump-instigated mob. As disgusting as it is and as terrible as the severe abuse of a police officer is. But the Trump supporters had no idea what they actually wanted in the parliament building when they suddenly found themselves inside.

For the future, however, one must fear the totalitarian radicalism with which the new majority party is now beginning to clean up. Some people there know exactly what they want:

They have already announced a program on many levels for which they would normally never have found a majority among US citizens; it ranges from tax increases to a massive opening of the floodgates for migration from the south of the continent.

They have managed to turn Twitter, Google, Amazon and Facebook completely into party organs in which Trump and his party are death-censored. In return, the internet giants no longer have to fear the antimonopoly regulations that Trump had planned.

A few days before Trump's end of office, you initiated the absolutely ridiculous action of lengthy impeachment proceedings, for which there is neither a legal cause nor a sufficient Senate majority. But they still try full of hatred to humiliate Trump for eternity.

They have also put together a government that is shaped by one thing: by representing every conceivable group of activists, from homosexuals to Native Americans (this by far exceeds what was once accused in Austria of the ÖVP as evil alliance proporiety).

And the classic media, which were once champions of freedom of expression and democracy, cheer them enthusiastically and blindly with few exceptions.

All of this will have global effects or example effects - or it already has. Even more important for the world is the actual foreign policy of the USA, which, strangely enough, has hardly received any attention from the European media in recent weeks.

There is now a threat of a return to a cooler wind, perhaps even a cold war against Russia. Which is quite a nonsense. With its conquests in Ukraine and Georgia (incidentally made before Trump under an inactive Democratic President), the Putin Empire did indeed take on bad guilt. Otherwise, if only because of its continual economic decline, it is no longer the danger that many US Democrats see the Russians. On the other hand, it seems that the next US president wants to be more friendly to China and Iran than Trump. Both powers are much more threatening and aggressive than Russia.

Exactly these were (therefore?) The last two foreign policy actions of Trump in the weeks after the presidential election. Both of these actions became surprising successes and thus turning points in world history at the last minute. They represent by far the most important international legacy of the entire Trump era - unless they are turned back by Joe Biden, which would be difficult and extremely irresponsible.

Because no other foreign policy initiative of the USA in the last few decades has served world peace as much as the sensational peace agreement between the most important states of the Arab world and Israel. But the upgrading of Taiwan is also hugely important: it confirms the right to life of a small, peaceful democratic state that has been threatened by a dangerous giant for decades. It is basically an act of decency.

The importance of the Middle Eastern reconciliation cannot be overestimated. The Middle East conflict between Arabs and Israelis had long been one of the most dangerous powder kegs in the world, which often threatened to ignite a world fire. From 1989, after the collapse of world communism, it was probably the most dangerous global conflict zone. The Middle East was also a hotspot very close to Europe - while China, which encompasses its East Asian neighborhood, is a few thousand kilometers away as the most sensitive area on earth in the future.

Trump owes this Middle Eastern success primarily to his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. In many of Trump's international encounters, this was apparently insignificant in the background in the photos. But then he made decisive trips to the Middle East himself. Kushner has largely bypassed the media and therefore acted with all discretion. The media probably never really took him seriously because he looks much younger than he is, and because one could only think of him as another important appendage of Trump-Familien GmbH (a term that is used on Trump's children, by the way largely applies).

During his travels, Kushner skilfully tied a whole series of important global political threads into a successful knot that has now been completed and thus initiated the mutual reconciliation between most of the Arabs (except the Palestinians) and Israel. The most important of these threads:

Since he is himself a Jew, he has automatically had more confidence in Israel than many previous Middle East mediators.
Kushner has recognized that many Arab states are now far more afraid of Shiite Iran with its nuclear armament than of Israel, which certainly has no expansion plans. After all, Iran is militarily involved in conflicts in the Arab world, from Syria to Iraq to Yemen, which, in the opinion of most Arabs, are actually none of their business.

The escalating rivalry between the two powers on the opposite side of the Gulf (Iran here and Saudi Arabia there and the Emirates allied with it) also played a decisive role. It's about power, about gas and oil, but also about the old aversion between Shiites and Sunnis.

The Saudis, like Israel, are particularly afraid of the rapid development of an Iranian atomic bomb, and are appalled that many Europeans do not understand this danger.

The US has now unilaterally sided with Saudi Arabia in the Yemen war and against the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels.

At the same time, the radicalization of Turkey has also motivated the Arabs to change sides. It was once the only state in the region that had full relations with Israel; Turkey, however, under Erdogan has switched completely to the Islamic and radical Palestinian side and has broken with Israel. On the one hand, the Arabs fear the neo-Ottoman imperialist aspirations of the Turks, to which they had already fallen victim for centuries. On the other hand, they fear the alliance of Turkish fascism with the radical Islamist Muslim brothers, who are strictly forbidden as subversive forces in many Arab states such as Egypt (and whose dangerousness Austria was the first European country to recognize).

The Arabs are particularly angry and concerned because Turkey interfered not only in the Syrian civil war, but also for no reason in the Libyan civil war, that is, in internal conflicts in two Arab states; In the case of Syria, this in turn enabled Iran to intervene (because the Syrian Assad regime only found allies willing to fight in the Iranians), which in turn repeatedly forces Israel to take action against the Iranians in Syria.

Kushner won the - geographically - westernmost state in the Arab world, Morocco, in turn for the peace agreement because the Americans officially accepted the annexation of Western Sahara by Morocco after decades.
That should have angered Algeria, which had long supported the Western Sahara Liberation Front Polisario fighting against Morocco; But Algeria's government is now also primarily interested in a peace policy in view of the constant attacks by its own radical Islamists.

The Saudis have recently complained loudly that the Palestinians they have long supported - who are now very isolated in the Arab world - have repeatedly jumped at the last moment from peace agreements with Israel, which the Saudis had been preparing for a long time. Obviously the Palestinians only wanted the money of the rich Arab states, but not their political advice. This has increasingly frustrated the Saudis.

After the murder of a regime critic in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Saudi Arabia urgently needed a break from international isolation, so it was particularly easy for Kushner to motivate.

The Saudis also have a major economic motive for changing fronts: They have recognized that oil and gas - also in view of the climate panic movement in the West - will not be enough as a basis for their prosperity in the long term. And certainly not if your country spends a lot of money every year on the confrontation of the Palestinians with Israel. Cooperation with Israel - and not least with its highly developed technology, which is especially suitable for desert regions - now seems much more sensible to them.

But Kushner has also succeeded in including Qatar in the great reconciliation: The wealthy Qatar had had good relations with Washington for a long time, but also with Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood. The Saudis and the Emirates, however, had closed the border with Qatar in the previous year to dissuade it from the Iranian route. Now Qatar has given in to the pressure and opted for the pro-Western path - not least because of concern that there might be international boycotts against the upcoming soccer World Cup in Qatar, which for several reasons (because of the air conditioning required in the hot desert country) Stadiums and because of the exploitation of South Asian migrant workers) has been criticized for a long time.

France - currently apparently the only European state that knows that the world does not consist of just one continent - has joined the great shift in the front in the Middle East on the side of the Americans: President Macron has in December (i.e. already after Trump's Electoral defeat) awarded the Egyptian President Al-Sisi a high French medal - although this is extremely hated by all leftists because of his harsh actions against all Islamists.
Finally, an advantage for Kushner over all previous Middle Eastern peace brokers was the fact that for the first time in decades there were no cross-shots and intrigues from Moscow. The Russians may not have noticed at first what Kushner was threading in his quiet manner. Or they agreed because they at least sided with Egypt and France against their old adversary, Turkey, in the Libyan war. Or they secretly had a certain sympathy for Trump.

Iran, against whom all this is directed, has of course not had much joy with the sensational foreign policy finale of the Trump era: the mullah state has now even started an international manhunt against Trump. But with which he has also put Biden into a quandary: His Democrats with their legal actions against Trump and Iran now appear to be allies.

In addition to this historic progress in the Middle East, Foreign Minister Pompeo has drawn another important cornerstone in US foreign policy at another point: He has officially lifted all restrictions on Taiwan that have been followed in the past "to appease the communist regime in Beijing". Of course, this was also an action to prevent the future Biden government from approaching Beijing. It is still a right, important and good step.

The Taiwan turnaround and, above all, the Middle Eastern breakthrough in the very last few weeks of Trump's foreign policy are in total contrast to Trump's foreign policy failures in his first years in office. In these he had completely focused on trying to get North Korea to change its policy. But in view of the poor internal situation in his country, its leader was and still is far too afraid of any change.

One could almost - almost - feel sorry for Trump that these great successes are going under completely, if he wasn't to blame for the downfall himself through his Rumpelstiltskin policy. The stubborn non-recognition of his electoral defeat against all court rulings and the senseless inciting of his supporters have completely covered up everything that his foreign minister and, above all, his son-in-law have achieved in historical actions in the last few weeks. Trump has made it very easy not only for the Democrats, but also for the media, who in principle do not want him to be successful, to completely cover up these processes.

Conversely, the Trump team has made it difficult for Biden to advance his intended rapprochement with Iran and China and, for example, lift the sanctions imposed by the USA, or even revive the Vienna nuclear deal with Tehran, which Israel considers an existential threat to its own security is seen.

PS: In the last few hours they have shown how hateful the Iranian mullahs are by brusquely rejecting any corona vaccine from the West. In their hatred, they did not even understand that they were making their entire propaganda building untrustworthy: Its main arguments were the constant complaints that, because of the US sanctions, it was primarily the citizens themselves and the health system that were suffering. And now it is the mullahs themselves who do exactly what they complained about ...

[Catfish]

1898: When white supremacists overthrew a US government
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55648011
"Its ringleaders took power the same day as the insurrection and swiftly brought in laws to strip voting and civil rights from the state's black population. They faced no consequences"

I guess it is all ok when you burn down things, kill some black people and overthrow the constitution, as long as you do not loot or destroy white property :03:

[Skybird]

I guess it is all ok when you burn down things, kill some black people and overthrow the constitution, as long as you do not loot or destroy white property :03:
It depends whom you are up against. :arrgh!:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fb/85/28/fb85285cf10262216906d34b434b1e09.jpg
What did Spernser once say in one episode?
"Versuch niemals einem Schwarzen mit Gewalt etwas weismachen zu wollen." :D

[u crank]

Biden to yank Keystone XL permit on first day of presidency



In the four years since Trump took office, the GOP resoundingly lost the House in 2018, the Senate in 2020,

Get ready for a 2010 Obama style beat down in 2022.

[Rockstar]

Biden to yank Keystone XL permit on first day of presidency

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/17/biden-yank-keystone-pipeline-permit-460142

I'm not convinced this portion of the pipeline is really needed in the first place. Canadian oil has been flowing through the Keystone pipeline from Alberta in the Great White North to Port Arthur Texas since the Obama administration. I'm probably wrong but this 'short cut' seems to me to be more a convenience than a necessity anyway.

[Mr Quatro]

This was in message box this morning

Kind of sad when you think about it :oops:


https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139287482_888638875009644_6634100605974251156_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MwfpwFZrlpEAX8U4WjI&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=4ec61638bc4222ce4e8b62d71243d6d8&oe=602C0BDC

[Wolferz]

While everyone else is watching the inauguration, Trump will be holding his outnauguration filled with pomp and circumstance. An exit fit for a would be king. But, nobody shows up.
Thus Trump embarks for Florida with a lonely walk to Air Force One. Tail between his legs and then he hijacks and keeps the plane.
:haha:

[Buddahaid]

I hate to say it but I see the flag disrespected from all quarters and it's mostly due to ignorance and ambivalence.

[Rockstar]

This was in message box this morning

Kind of sad when you think about it :oops:


https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139287482_888638875009644_6634100605974251156_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MwfpwFZrlpEAX8U4WjI&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=4ec61638bc4222ce4e8b62d71243d6d8&oe=602C0BDC




The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.



Methods of disposal are only suggestions and no where does it say how or where it should be kept until such time it can be disposed of.



The word “should” is used to express and ask for an opinion or suggestion.


The word “shall” is more commonly used in formal or legal writing. It introduces a law, rule, or an obligation.

[Wolferz]

OrHow many Americans still remember the words to the Pledge of Allegiance?
Something I was required to recite every morning at the start of school.
Indoctrination? You could say that.
Recent event/s raise even more questions with difficult answers. Like,
How do you remove a big wrench from the monkey works?
How do you muzzle rabid dogs without infringing on their rights?
What's next?
For those who thought they could effect a change for what "they" wanted, will now find out just how heavy our law books are.
Or let the military blow them all to pieces and let God sort them out
.Oh boy! It should be interesting to watch.

[mapuc]

Some input to your latest comment.

When I was in the military-Swedish Navy.
I was tasked with the responsibility taking care of the flags on our ship.
I learned a lot about flag rules.
Like a flag that has done it's duty shall be burned or buried in holy land(cemetery)Before this the flag shall be packed in a certain way.

Infiltrators.

In the news here-they have had bulletin about FBI investigating the National Guard, in case some of these Right wing has infiltrated N.G.

Markus

[UglyMowgli]

I read that some protesters beat cops with the national flag (and the pole attached to it)



https://thehill.com/homenews/news/534393-police-arrest-man-they-say-beat-officer-with-american-flag-during-capitol-riot

[Mr Quatro]

I read that some protesters beat cops with the national flag (and the pole attached to it)



https://thehill.com/homenews/news/534393-police-arrest-man-they-say-beat-officer-with-american-flag-during-capitol-riot

Your right UglyMowgli ... It was wrong. Those guys were thugs caught up in the moment led by wacko's. :yep:

Your right too Rockstar it was just the moment of seeing our flag in the trash that upset me.

I too use to pledge the allegiance to the flag every morning in high school and Audie Murphy was my hero.

https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/q3QHhmVYp9kdlrxbqmAi6tpDOPw=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/MD5S6T36UZFLHFMHBCT2QVWOXU.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

While everyone else is watching the inauguration, Trump will be holding his outnauguration filled with pomp and circumstance. An exit fit for a would be king. But, nobody shows up.
Thus Trump embarks for Florida with a lonely walk to Air Force One. Tail between his legs and then he hijacks and keeps the plane.
:haha:

Funny Wolferz, but I have one better:

What if Trump as Commander in Chief says to the some 20,000 National Guard troops assembled to arrest Joe Biden on suspicion of over throwing the US Government and turning it into a socialist state. :o

Now we have a problem Houston :D

[mapuc]

So my American friends are you planning on watching the inauguration like it was the Super Bowl-With pizza, beers or whatever you use to eat during a Super Bowl.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

So my American friends are you planning on watching the inauguration like it was the Super Bowl-With pizza, beers or whatever you use to eat during a Super Bowl.

Markus

Just till the fat lady sings :D

[Rockstar]

So my American friends are you planning on watching the inauguration like it was the Super Bowl-With pizza, beers or whatever you use to eat during a Super Bowl.

Markus




Frankly, I think Janet Yellens confirmation hearing tomorrow is more important. After that I'm gonna take a nap.

[Buddahaid]

Funny Wolferz, but I have one better:

What if Trump as Commander in Chief says to the some 20,000 National Guard troops assembled to arrest Joe Biden on suspicion of over throwing the US Government and turning it into a socialist state. :o

Now we have a problem Houston :D

That needs the cooperation of the Joint Chiefs which Trump doesn't have.:Kaleun_Wink:

[Mr Quatro]

That needs the cooperation of the Joint Chiefs which Trump doesn't have.:Kaleun_Wink:

Your right Buddahaid ... quit fact checking me :D

[Buddahaid]

Your right Buddahaid ... quit fact checking me :D

Sorry. :oops:

At least your guy Pence is man enough(excuse me ladies) to attend the inauguration unlike the current child in chief.

[Gorpet]

Where I live doesn't matter, I can see all the way from here that you're not 'all there'. There has been no evidence to suggest it was antifa, and I'm not holding my breath to see any in the near future either.

Dowly, To me it doesn't matter where you live but...I as a citizen of my country your proclamations cause me to question whether you are "all there". If you want to find out what the real deal is get on a plane and fly over here. And you can see for yourself. Just bring plenty of euros with you and see the vaunted Statue of Liberty before its blown up. Yes come to New York City that represents Progressive America. They are waiting for you with hugs and kiss. Or you can fly to San Francisco just remember to put a flower in your hair; and bring your own bio suit. So come and see for yourself who's really all there.

[Gorpet]

Where I live doesn't matter, I can see all the way from here that you're not 'all there'. There has been no evidence to suggest it was antifa, and I'm not holding my breath to see any in the near future either.

When judging other people, especially people I've never met personally, I do not care where they come from, or how much taxes they pay. I judge them by the decency, (social) intelligence, and humor they are showing. So far I've done pretty well with it.

Skidman, Since your doing so well,I would stay in those Dutch Mountains ! My friend America is all about judging people. We are having a cultural revolution here so if you think you can fit in here i would gladly change places with you for 2 years. Unfortunately i would not want to come back to the the USA from those Dutch Mountains. I want to escape and try your life.

[UglyMowgli]

Parler is backed by a Russian company.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-parler-russia-idUSKBN29N23N

[Buddahaid]

Really? I didn't think Trump was dumb but now I'm not so sure.

What a morally destitute and destructive piece of dog crap! He's like the Jeffrey Dahmer of presidents!

"The White House decreed on Monday that the entry ban would end on 26 January - six days after Mr Biden takes office."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55713570

To hell with him not showing up at the inauguration, he's not welcome!

[Skybird]

Parler is backed by a Russian company.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-parler-russia-idUSKBN29N23N
One of the best jokes we have had so far in 2021!

[Skybird]

A German media source summerised a TV talkshow form yesterday evening (which i have not seen, I do not each talkshows). This got my attention:



The lesson of the evening comes from the political scientist Cathryn Clüver Ashbrook. Donald Trump showed in a shocking way how quickly American democracy and its institutions could be dismantled. Europe must also learn lessons from this. “The norms make the skeleton strong,” says Ashbrook. But if these are ignored or crumbled, the framework of democracy is logically in danger. “How quickly it went, how little this democracy could stop this man, is a great lesson for Europe. We have to keep working to make our own democracies resilient. "
Right. Right regarding growing right extremeism. Right regarding growing Muslim fundamentalism. Right regarding growing clan crime, and social deligitimising of state and police authority.

[Buddahaid]

A German media source summerised a TV talkshow form yesterday evening (which i have not seen, I do not each talkshows). This got my attention:



Right. Right rehgarding growing right extreneism. Right regarding growing Muslims fundamentalism. Rightregarding griowing clam crime, and social deligitimsing of state authority.

It's been festering for some decades for various reasons. Trump became a flashpoint. Just be thankful he's out and hopefully going to jail sooner than later.

[eddie]

Really? I didn't think Trump was dumb but now I'm not so sure.

What a morally destitute and destructive piece of dog crap! He's like the Jeffrey Dahmer of presidents!

"The White House decreed on Monday that the entry ban would end on 26 January - six days after Mr Biden takes office."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55713570

To hell with him not showing up at the inauguration, he's not welcome!


:agree: Couldn't have said it better myself Buddahaid!!!

[sublynx]

Parler is backed by a Russian company.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-parler-russia-idUSKBN29N23N

The Russians are not stopping their companies from helping free speech overseas, but do stop free speech in Russia. It sure sounds like a maskirovka operation against US democracy. They help the fanatics to weaken America.

[eddie]

It's been festering for some decades for various reasons. Trump became a flashpoint. Just be thankful he's out and hopefully going to jail sooner than later.




:sign_yeah: Again we agree,lol

[Cybermat47]

My friend America is all about judging people.

I was under the impression that the American Dream started out as people from Europe looking for new chances and a new life in a new land. I didn’t realise that it was about being discriminated against as soon as you got off the boat.

[Gorpet]

After Joe Biden is sworn in as the President of The United States . The world will still be talking about Donald Trump and his family for the next 18 mos. Not about Joe or Kamala. And who has control of the Nuclear codes and the button.

Will it be Joe,Kamala,Nancy,Chuck, Obama,Como in new york or some Supreme Court Judge on the West Coast or Mitch Mcconnell's wife the cousin of Fang @ Fang. Well let's listen to the media no it will not be about where the football is and who has it.
No it will be about destroying a man who had no political family blood and had the audacity after giving millions of dollars to the politicians. Oh and buy the way not one politician in America said Don i don't want your money.No they took every dollar, But he would never be in their club he wasn't born into the Purple. So if your are born here or an immigrant or a minority. You have to be invited into power. And let Donald Trump be a lesion to all people with a few million bucks or 2 dollars don't tell your kid he can grow up to be President of North America.:salute:

[Cybermat47]

And let Donald Trump be a lesion to all people with a few million bucks or 2 dollars don't tell your kid he can grow up to be President of North America.:salute:

Some certainly would say that he was a lesion.

When was Trump president of North America, by the way? I must’ve been asleep that day.

Also, I kinda doubt Trump would be so successful if he wasn’t born into wealth.

[skidman]

When was Trump president of North America, by the way? I must’ve been asleep that day.

Well it all started when u crank handed over Cananda and the Mexicans said they would rather pay for a wall at the southern border because of the length...

[Gorpet]

I was under the impression that the American Dream started out as people from Europe looking for new chances and a new life in a new land. I didn’t realise that it was about being discriminated against as soon as you got off the boat.

Damn you should be one to talk. I don't know they teach you in school down there. But your ancestors were discriminating as soon as they hit the shore or when they got out of prison . Dude the world know about your Past. Last i heard your government wasn't allowing Hollywood stars to buy land in your country. But i will sell you my plot of land right here in America.

[Cybermat47]

Damn you should be one to talk. I don't know they teach you in school down there. But your ancestors were discriminating as soon as they hit the shore or when they got out of prison .

Hey, you’re literally the one who said that ‘America is all about judging people’. All I did was ask if that’s what the ideal of the American Dream was actually about.

And when have I ever denied all the white supremacist massacres or cultural genocides in my country’s past? After you find a single post where I’ve done that, you can explain how that’s relevant at all to Skidman’s comment.

[Gorpet]

Some certainly would say that he was a lesion.

When was Trump president of North America, by the way? I must’ve been asleep that day.

Also, I kinda doubt Trump would be so successful if he wasn’t born into wealth.

Ok when i say President of North America , Its agenda 2030 go look it up. And your right Donald Trump was born into wealth. But his wealth wasn't on the taxpayer tit. The political elites in this country just like yours go back how many years. same old families and the spider webs they breed that keep them in power.

[Cybermat47]

Ok when i say President of North America , Its agenda 2030 go look it up. And your right Donald Trump was born into wealth. But his wealth wasn't on the taxpayer tit. The political elites in this country just like yours go back how many years. same old families and the spider webs they breed that keep them in power.

I looked up Agenda 2030, still doesn’t say anything about Donald Trump ever being president of all North America. As far as I can tell, Canada is still an independent country too.

Not sure what my country has to do with this either. I’m quite happy to talk about the myriad of problems with my country’s politics, but let’s keep the US Politics Thread about US politics.

[Gorpet]

America and the world will change in the next 20 yrs. Hide your books . They may be they be the last vestiges of the world as we know it today. Hell if you don't think the Sci Fi Movies that Hollywood has been pushing out. They are trying to get your mind ready for their future. Look at what's on NetFlix for 1 and the rest will now fall in order. Hell if you don't have right think today you will be banned. Correct me if i'm wrong but Didn.t all Governments that turned out to be totalitarian have a Puppet that would stand up and be a good actor for the Party . The Party is a Politicians life and it doesn't matter if your commie,democrat,republican,socialist non believer or the local cop. It's the party you serve and the party is made up of old politicians and their families. In order for society to move ahead these families must be swept aside . but the structure of the party must remain.Just with new Blood. and new family names to last into our glorious future. Remember no one gets off this planet alive. and that is the truth. there is nowhere to go.

[Catfish]

Well it all started when u crank handed over Cananda and the Mexicans said they would rather pay for a wall at the southern border because of the length...
Canada recently said they would now indeed like a wall, and Mexico is suddenly willing to pay and build it themselves :D

[Catfish]

[...] And your right Donald Trump was born into wealth. But his wealth wasn't on the taxpayer tit. [...]
Who do you think builds Trump towers and golf resorts? It is all on the worker's and taxpayer's back and tit.
Trump is "successful" in a lot of his enterprises going bankrupt and evading taxes. He probably pays less taxes than you in the USA, but around 200,000 dollars for some Trump Hotel management in Beijing, China in 2013-2015. While he can't be blamed for the virus itself, he can rightfully be for "managing" the crisis and a lot of deaths. Regarding nepotism and the Donald, look it up.

[Jimbuna]

Another one being brought to justice.

A Donald Trump supporter suspected of stealing a laptop or hard drive from Democrat Nancy Pelosi's office during the US Capitol riots has been arrested.

Riley June Williams, 22, was detained in Pennsylvania on charges of violently and illegally entering the building, and disorderly conduct.

A former romantic partner had said in an affidavit Ms Williams intended to sell the data to Russian intelligence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55711200

[Rockstar]

Really? I didn't think Trump was dumb but now I'm not so sure.

What a morally destitute and destructive piece of dog crap! He's like the Jeffrey Dahmer of presidents!

"The White House decreed on Monday that the entry ban would end on 26 January - six days after Mr Biden takes office."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55713570

To hell with him not showing up at the inauguration, he's not welcome!




Dude, get your nurses to give you and Gorpet your meds so you all can relax. Lifting of travel restrictions would have a been an international cooperative effort between certain nations.

"only after receiving proof of a negative COVID-19 test or documentation of having recovered from COVID-19 for all air passengers arriving from a foreign country to the United States. The Secretary has explained that this action will help to prevent air passengers from the Schengen Area, the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, and the Federative Republic of Brazil from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 into the United States, as it is the Secretary’s understanding that the vast majority of persons entering the United States from these jurisdictions do so by air. Moreover, the Secretary expects cooperation from those jurisdictions in implementing the testing order."

How much you willing to bet within the week headlines will announce it as the 'Biden Plan' that will save the tourism industry and help the economy and there will be much dancing and rejoicing in the streets.

Ya know, after looking at Flightradar24 I have ask myself, what travel ban?

[Rockstar]

For all you lonely geezers with nothing else better to do in life than gossip and cry like old women. Watch this, you might actually learn something about your government and how it will operate the next four years.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIOqxuRrpAU

[Buddahaid]

For all you lonely geezers with nothing else better to do in life than gossip and cry like old women. Watch this, you might actually learn something about your government and how it will operate the next four years.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIOqxuRrpAU

Speaking of yourself? I'm working.

[Aktungbby]

Correct me if i'm wrong but Didn.t all Governments that turned out to be totalitarian have a Puppet that would stand up and be a good actor for the Party .....or the local c.o.p. Remember no one gets off this planet alive. and that is the truth. there is nowhere to go.Having been a puppeteer for parties:D and the occasional constable on patrol most of my 70 years...I can't even hold a birthday party today for my only child thanks to some "regular horseshoe cave bat" in southern China...and I'm one day closer to getting off this miserable mud-ball. :up: My pharmacist, who gives me flu shots, reliably informs I won't be assisting Pfizer's profit-margin Covidwise till April. No longer a "first responder" I'm expendible along with 400,000 other already succumbed 'Mericans till then.
The bright side is: with the new Covid variant(s) I 'spect Goddess Gaiea- (mother nature) is simply cleaning house ie: reducing the global primate population incl. gorillas in San Diego from 8 billion to something more sustainable. (4 billion ?!!) Bat induced Ebola, Marbug, Lhasa fever(s),
& SARS were simply her preliminary test run before she kicked it up to Miller Time! Our primate myopia precluded our seeing the situation clearly! :hmmm::Kaleun_Cheers:

[August]

Who do you think builds Trump towers and golf resorts? It is all on the worker's and taxpayer's back and tit.


Are you claiming that Trumps properties were purchased with public money?

[Rockstar]

Speaking of yourself? I'm working.

Oh now you're too busy. :roll: Just now Yellen was speaking about how very important it is to help the most "disproportionately hardest hit industry" in both the EU and US, TOURISM. Millions of people are out work and trillions of dollars have been lost. Still against international cooperation which might help stimulate growth in that sector? Or is the media clown show, conspiracy theories and ego still more important?

[Hawk66]

Maybe, tomorrow, when Trump leaves office, moderate rights and moderate lefts in the US, Europe and elsewhere in the world, who enjoy democracy and freedom have a chance to overcome their political differences and thinking about the core values in the West and what was achieved since WII - and how fragile those achievements still are today.

Frankly, I am not super optimistic but there is still hope....

[u crank]

Maybe, tomorrow, when Trump leaves office, moderate rights and moderate lefts in the US, Europe and elsewhere in the world, who enjoy democracy and freedom have a chance to overcome their political differences and thinking about the core values in the West and what was achieved since WII - and how fragile those achievements still are today.

Frankly, I am not super optimistic but there is still hope....

It's a good thought and I am all for it but good will is what is needed. And a good start to that would be the combined left and right condemnation of free political speech suppression by the big tech overlords.

[eddie]

LOL


https://i.postimg.cc/q7wVjNS7/140687259-4725047624254921-3855078823296511993-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Buddahaid]

Oh now you're too busy. :roll: Just now Yellen was speaking about how very important it is to help the most "disproportionately hardest hit industry" in both the EU and US, TOURISM. Millions of people are out work and trillions of dollars have been lost. Still against international cooperation which might help stimulate growth in that sector? Or is the media clown show, conspiracy theories and ego still more important?

Time zone, shifts, etc. ;p

[mapuc]

I do understand why some of my Danish friends is kind a upset.

Tomorrow 3 of our tv-channel whereof 1 of them are public(licens)and the others is either pay or commercial-Will be broadcasting from noon to past midnight covering the shift of President in USA.

Yes The President of USA is without any doubt the most powerful thing in the world. But 3 channel, one would be enough.

My 10 cent.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Time zone, shifts, etc. ;p


I find it sad that when the president of the United States with international cooperation attempts to help a major industry get back on its feet. The only response is scathing and malicious conspiracy theories simply because some haven't the least grip on reality.

[eddie]

I find it sad that when the president of the United States with international cooperation attempts to help a major industry get back on its feet. The only response is scathing and malicious conspiracy theories simply because some haven't the least grip on reality.


And exactly when has Trump had a grip on reality,lol

[Buddahaid]

Whatever.

[Jeff-Groves]

Videos posted should be shorter and more entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdOIwPjzMw

[Jeff-Groves]

Trump releases good bye Video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9434BoGkNQ

[vienna]

Funny column in the Chicago Tribune today about Trump not leaving the traditional note to the incoming President:


Column: Donald Trump’s Inauguration Day letter to Joe Biden: An exclusive (very real) draft --

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/rex-huppke/ct-biden-inauguration-trump-letter-capitol-melania-transfer-huppke-20210119-uhlkrqqyuff7pmk7ocevr4g5ea-story.html


The text of the mock letter to the President-Elect form the President-Reject for those who aren't able to access the link:





Dear LOSER!!

Welcome to the White House, you sleepy dope. I am leaving not because you beat me but because I choose to stop being president because I have already been THE BEST president in American history. Many have said that. I hear it all the time, people say, “Sir, there has never been a president like you.”

And I know they’re right. I’ve accomplished more than any president in history, and I remain incredibly popular and everyone loves me, especially my late father. And also Lindsey Graham. Just ask him, he tells me that all the time. He’s a total loser, but he knows a good president when he sees one. By the way, I left a file about him in the desk here. It contains … some things, if you know what I mean. Just wave it around if you ever need to get him to do something for you. He’s like a trained dog.

Anyway, back to all the things I’ve done that you will never match, and it won’t even be close.

I built the big, beautiful wall to keep out the bad hombres. Nobody called them bad hombres before I did. I came up with that, and people love it. It was so smart. Some slobs said it was racist, but they’re racist. I’m the least racist person I’ve ever met. By far.

But yes, I built the wall. Some will say there are still hundreds of miles of open border, but I haven’t seen them so they doesn’t exist. FAKE NEWS!

We have our great Trump wall, and do you know who’s paying for that wall? Do you? Because actually, I don’t. I kept sending the contractor bills in an envelope clearly marked “MEXICO!” but it just kept getting returned. Good luck with that.

Speaking of bills, I’m gonna need you to pay Rudy Giuliani for me. He’s a great American patriot and represented me in all this RIGGED ELECTION stuff. He did a terrible job, frankly. I told him to find me fraud and he didn’t find a thing, even though I know it’s out there because that guy from the pillow company told me it is.

Anyway, pay Rudy. The bill is in the desk by that file of stuff on Lindsey.

Where was I? Oh yeah, I accomplished so much. We have our great, great health care plan, which I’ll be releasing in two weeks. It will be better than that disastrous Obamacare you idiots came up with. So that’s coming up soon, since I can still technically be president if I want to, since I won, by a lot, and you lost. I beat you in a landslide, you know that’s true.

Some losers in the media keep saying I should just say you won. They say crazy stuff, like that I’m “fomenting violence.” What does “fomenting” even mean? I gotta ask Jared.

Speaking of Jared, can you give him a job? That would be a good way to unify the country, and frankly, I can’t stand the kid. Creepy looking. I just had him around to keep Ivanka happy. Isn’t she beautiful? Not sure what she sees in that skinny weirdo, but whatever.

Now look, I know you’re going to screw up everything I’ve done, and I want you to know this: I don’t care. I just want to get down to Mar-a-Lago and keep bilking money from these rubes I sold hats to. So how about you give me a big pardon? Not that I’ve done anything wrong, but just in case. You give me a pardon, I’ll give you nothing and we’ll call it even, deal?

I had Stephen Miller draw up the pardon papers. They’re in that same drawer with the wall bills and the Lindsey dirt … sorry, I mean “information.”

Oh, speaking of Miller, there might be bags of human hair stashed in a few places. We tried to find them all, but he’s pretty sneaky.

Good luck, dummy.

NOT!

— STILL President Donald J. Trump








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[mapuc]

At first I was thinking-WHAT has Mr. Trump lost his mind-Then I scrolled up a little bit and read your comment.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

:hmmm:
I probably fear having bought a Trumpy Bear more then having bought Guns.
Seeing that anything Trump is approaching having Auschwitz Death Camps in your back yard.

[skidman]

Seeing that anything Trump is approaching having Auschwitz Death Camps in your back yard.

Watch your thoughts; they become your words
Watch your words; they become your actions
Watch your actions; they become your habits
Watch your habits; they become your character
Watch your character, for it will become your destiny
(Talmud)

[Buddahaid]

:hmmm:
I probably fear having bought a Trumpy Bear more then having bought Guns.
Seeing that anything Trump is approaching having Auschwitz Death Camps in your back yard.

I have a couple of the troll dolls. They keep trying to kick the other troll dolls out of the toy box. :Kaleun_Wink:

[vienna]

Watch your thoughts; they become your words
Watch your words; they become your actions
Watch your actions; they become your habits
Watch your habits; they become your character
Watch your character, for it will become your destiny
(Talmud)


Sounds like it could also be an cautionary epitaph for Trump's administration...







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[Skybird]

Sounds like the public education program of the chinese communist party for better citizens' obedience and social compliance.


Words are words. Everybody can use and abuse them for his purposes.

[vienna]

Just noted the news saying Trump has decided to pardon Bannon; it seems the 100 plus pardons reported to be coming from Trump on Tuesday haven't materialized; I wonder if he's not holding on to them until Biden is about to take his oath as President; Trump is well known for "counter-programming" events to distract from events or situations that would keep Trump form the spotlight and put it on his enemies; given that the Pentagon has shot down his highly desired glorifying military sendoff, and it now seems he is struggling to get people to show up at all to his scaled down departure; his staff and others from the White House and his administration have been making excuses to avoid attending the bon voyage; it has gotten so bad, in terms of attendance, the invitations to the send off have been amended to not only the invitee, but now also encourages the invitees who do RSVP as attending to each bring five guests; thus, it seems, he is going out with a whimper of a whimper...

I don't think it would be at all surprising to se Trump announce his pardon list til the very last moment in an effort to distract attention from Biden's inauguration; it also wouldn't be surprising if Trump tried to pull off some other last minute, last ditch, attempt to retain the spotlight...

As Trump would say: "sad", "pathetic", "weak"...


EDIT: Just now the news came down that Trump has released his full list of pardons, some 140 of them, and none of his family is on the list, and, notably neither is himself; I still wonder if it may still come at the last moment, as an attention-grabbing move...







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[Skybird]

it seems the 100 plus pardons reported to be coming from Trump on Tuesday haven't materialized;
70-80, plus those from before his last day in office. You need to substract those pardons for himself and his family, his lawyers talked him out of these since that would have equalled a confession of guilt.

[Skybird]

You know this famous quote by Henry Louis Mencken, maybe:

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - über Ezra Pound. Prejudices, First Series. New York 1919. Chapter 6: "The New Poetry Movement", p. 90.

But he said something even better. It could have been the program of Trump:

"All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - Bayard vs. Lionheart https://www.newspapers.com/clip/21831908/hl_mencken_article_26_jul_1920_the/ in The Evening Sun (Baltimore, Maryland), 1920-07-26

[Mr Quatro]

It's live right now on CNN if you wish to watch Trump's departure,
but a long farewell speech will probably be included.

Marine One is on the lawn now :yep:

I remember when Clinton left office it was a real tear jerker for him at the air base hanger he left from and then someone stole
all of the POTUS dinner ware from Airforce One after it landed. Never did catch who, but it was returned.

Good-by Trump thanks for the memories and now I know what mental illness is like, but I have to treat myself first lol. :D

Here's the next exciting step in politics after Biden is through using the US Senate to obtain all of his dreams and plans.

Balance can return in just two more years :up:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/seven-senate-races-to-watch-in-2022/ar-BB1coC2r?oci_d=iehp

Senate races to watch in 2022

Senate Republicans will be on defense once again in the 2022 midterm elections when at least 20 GOP-held seats will be on the ballot.

Democrats, meanwhile, will have to defend at least 13 seats, mostly in politically friendly states like California, New York and Illinois.

[u crank]

Well it didn't take long. One thing that Democrat politicians and their media enablers are good at is virtue signaling. Biden's plan to cancel the Keystone XL pipeline is a perfect example of this kind of meaningless gesture meant to appease climate fanatics on the Left.

97 percent of Canada's proven reserves are located in the oil sands, and the oil sands account for more than 60 percent of the country’s current oil production. Canada is the third-largest exporter of crude oil in the world, and 98 percent of that goes to the United States, accounting for almost half of the USA's imports of crude oil. Biden's decision is estimated to cost upwards of 11,000 jobs, 8,000 of which are union, and an estimated $1.6 billion in gross wages.

This oil will continue to flow south regardless of the means. Much of it will continue to go by rail, a far less environmentally friendly method of moving the product. And the thing to note is this oil is not coming from Venezuela or the Middle East. It is coming from the America's closest ally.

So Joe is off to a good start.

[AVGWarhawk]

Good-by Trump thanks for the memories and now I know what mental illness is like, but I have to treat myself first lol. :D





Now you will witness what dementia looks like and how it takes it toll on the elderly. There are not many memories.

[Jimbuna]

I do understand why some of my Danish friends is kind a upset.

Tomorrow 3 of our tv-channel whereof 1 of them are public(licens)and the others is either pay or commercial-Will be broadcasting from noon to past midnight covering the shift of President in USA.

Yes The President of USA is without any doubt the most powerful thing in the world. But 3 channel, one would be enough.

My 10 cent.

Markus

Pretty much the same here in the UK Markus.

[Subnuts]

Came downstairs 30 minutes ago and my mother was almost keeled over laughing as YMCA blared over the PA system at Andrews AFB.


What a strange, strange journey this has been. :doh:

[Catfish]

[...] Biden's plan to cancel the Keystone XL pipeline is a perfect example of this kind of meaningless gesture meant to appease climate fanatics on the Left. [...]
So Joe is off to a good start.
Yes he is.
So care for environment is "socialist" in your opinion? I do not agree. This has all to do with reality and science, and nothing with petty politics not able to see ten years into the future. Canada's carbon tax system is a joke.

The impact those tar sands make alone, cannot be compared with any transport of the crude or refined products, be it rail or pipeline.

Frankly, were it not for jobs connected i would not shed one tear if this tar sand project would be terminated. Any recovery of this area would already now cost around 250 billion dollars. Of course no one will care of recultivation when the money has been made.

The world knows what kind of environmental impact those tar sands have. I know there are a lot of jobs connected, but i guess we all agree this cannot go on in the way it did:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/04/alberta-canadas-tar-sands-is-growing-but-indigenous-people-fight-back

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/14/canadas-shameful-environmental-secret-tar-sands-tailings-ponds

Since Biden intends to move forward and develop other energy techniques it would not make much sense to further destroy huge areas anywhere, besides the US does not really need the oil anymore, and CAPP knows that.

[Onkel Neal]

Well it didn't take long. One thing that Democrat politicians and their media enablers are good at is virtue signaling. Biden's plan to cancel the Keystone XL pipeline is a perfect example of this kind of meaningless gesture meant to appease climate fanatics on the Left.

97 percent of Canada's proven reserves are located in the oil sands, and the oil sands account for more than 60 percent of the country’s current oil production. Canada is the third-largest exporter of crude oil in the world, and 98 percent of that goes to the United States, accounting for almost half of the USA's imports of crude oil. Biden's decision is estimated to cost upwards of 11,000 jobs, 8,000 of which are union, and an estimated $1.6 billion in gross wages.

This oil will continue to flow south regardless of the means. Much of it will continue to go by rail, a far less environmentally friendly method of moving the product. And the thing to note is this oil is not coming from Venezuela or the Middle East. It is coming from the America's closest ally.

So Joe is off to a good start.


Yes he is, next gun control: to stop all the crime.

And pardon 12 million illegal aliens and get them registered to vote Democrat. Bonus: abolish/hamstring ICE and let South America know the border is open.

Free healthcare! Trillions of $$, where will it come from?

Start regulating and taxing business like the USSR again, that will keep the economy going.

Join the Paris green accords, we will hand China a win if its the last thing we do!

Get started on that Green New Deal thing, and shut down the oil industry. Hurry, the ice in my tea is melting! :haha:

Do something about the laggard vaccine distribution.

Forgive student debt. Billions of $$, where will it come from?

And half of the country can now start acting human again, it's the other half's turn to become deranged. Although this time, they will be publicized as "deranged", sorry about that. :)

On top of all that, I had a dream last night that my office chair wouldn't roll and the little wheels were flat. What's that all about?

[Rockstar]

Yes he is.
So care for environment is "socialist" in your opinion? I do not agree. This has all to do with reality and science, and nothing with petty politics not able to see ten years into the future. Canada's carbon tax system is a joke.

The impact those tar sands make alone, cannot be compared with any transport of the crude or refined products, be it rail or pipeline.

Frankly, were it not for jobs connected i would not shed one tear if this tar sand project would be terminated. Any recovery of this area would already now cost around 250 billion dollars. Of course no one will care of recultivation when the money has been made.

The world knows what kind of environmental impact those tar sands have. I know there are a lot of jobs connected, but i guess we all agree this cannot go on in the way it did:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/04/alberta-canadas-tar-sands-is-growing-but-indigenous-people-fight-back

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/14/canadas-shameful-environmental-secret-tar-sands-tailings-ponds

Since Biden intends to move forward and develop other energy techniques it would not make much sense to further destroy huge areas anywhere, besides the US does not really need the oil anymore, and CAPP knows that.


The Keystone pipeline already extends to the U.S. Gulf Coast and I'm fairly certain the need for oil in the U.S. isn't the main reason the pipeline was constructed. Yes we benefit from it, but its primarily because we have the long term storage, distribution and refinery facilities to make use of the oil that comes from Canada.

I've said it said before I think the Keystone XL phase is more of a convenience than a necessity. As we now see its primary usefulness is for political party grandstanding and cheap talk. If it were built it would be like Nordstream2. Does anyone really need another pipeline when there already is one? But politics get involved, Germans even with their socialist policies and holier than thou green save the planet rhetoric wanted control of energy. Environmental impacts of constructing a another pipeline be damned.

[mapuc]

So let me hear:

Those of you who, to put it nicely, disliked Trump
What's your feeling now that he is gone ?

And

Those of you who, to put it nicely, liked Trump
What's your feeling now that he ain't the President anymore and most likely will not be able to be it again ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

So let me hear:

Those of you who, to put it nicely, disliked Trump
What's your feeling now that he is gone ?

And

Those of you who, to put it nicely, liked Trump
What's your feeling now that he ain't the President anymore and most likely will not be able to be it again ?

Markus

Quite honestly, I feel much more unease with Biden and the cabinet he is filling with Obama's people than Trump from day one.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes he is, next gun control: to stop all the crime.

And pardon 12 million illegal aliens and get them registered to vote Democrat. Bonus: abolish/hamstring ICE and let South America know the border is open.

Free healthcare! Trillions of $$, where will it come from?

Start regulating and taxing business like the USSR again, that will keep the economy going.

Join the Paris green accords, we will hand China a win if its the last thing we do!

Get started on that Green New Deal thing, and shut down the oil industry. Hurry, the ice in my tea is melting! :haha:

Do something about the laggard vaccine distribution.

Forgive student debt. Billions of $$, where will it come from?

And half of the country can now start acting human again, it's the other half's turn to become deranged. Although this time, they will be publicized as "deranged", sorry about that. :)

On top of all that, I had a dream last night that my office chair wouldn't roll and the little wheels were flat. What's that all about?

Gun control will be limited to AR-15 and the like. Tx will be a 2nd Amendment utopia. NRA is moving operations there.

Healthcare. As get older I do see the system needs an overhaul. Specifically for the elderly.

Paris Accord is a waste of time and money.

Green New Deal will sit for 4 years Joe was blowing smoke. Big oil will not simply fold like a pup tent.

Student loans. Another empty talking point for a vote.

Bidens idea of rescuing America is the same talking points Trump had. Yet, he bashed Trump for months on the exact same plan.

The normal again and deranged are always tipping the scale every 4-6 years depending on what the voting cycle of federal and local governments.

Other than that, I'm sure we are going to see one very confused President. The confusion not of his own doing but from age. Biden is exhibiting issues. His wife is propping him up.

[Onkel Neal]

Gun control will be limited to AR-15 and the like. Tx will be a 2nd Amendment utopia. NRA is moving operations there.

Healthcare. As get older I do see the system needs an overhaul. Specifically for the elderly.

Paris Accord is a waste of time and money.

Green New Deal will sit for 4 years Joe was blowing smoke. Big oil will not simply fold like a pup tent.

Student loans. Another empty talking point for a vote.

Bidens idea of rescuing America is the same talking points Trump had. Yet, he bashed Trump for months on the exact same plan.

The normal again and deranged are always tipping the scale every 4-6 years depending on what the voting cycle of federal and local governments.

Other than that, I'm sure we are going to see one very confused President. The confusion not of his own doing but from age. Biden is exhibiting issues. His wife is propping him up.

Nice summary and analysis. You overlooked the most important topic, though.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nice summary and analysis. You overlooked the most important topic, though.

What part? A lot of talking points.

[Buddahaid]

Covid-19?

[3catcircus]

Quite honestly, I feel much more unease with Biden and the cabinet he is filling with Obama's people than Trump from day one.

His cabinet picks are the land of misfit toys...

[u crank]

So care for environment is "socialist" in your opinion?

Where are you getting that from?

This has all to do with reality and science, and nothing with petty politics not able to see ten years into the future.

Well the reality and science about it is that the USA is years away from a non oil dependent society. So why not use the most efficient and safest way to move oil? The USA has 2.6 million miles of pipeline in use today. The proposed Phase 4 of the Keystone XL is 327 miles. Like I said this oil is going to go to the USA by some means. But when you are virtue signaling science and reality be damned.

Canada's carbon tax system is a joke.

Huh? Joe Biden does not make energy policy for Canada.

Frankly, were it not for jobs connected i would not shed one tear if this tar sand project would be terminated. Any recovery of this area would already now cost around 250 billion dollars. Of course no one will care of recultivation when the money has been made.

And I would bet any money that if this oil reserve, the Tar Sands the third largest in the world, was in Germany you would be using it.

[3catcircus]

Gun control will be limited to AR-15 and the like. Tx will be a 2nd Amendment utopia. NRA is moving operations there.

Healthcare. As get older I do see the system needs an overhaul. Specifically for the elderly.

Paris Accord is a waste of time and money.

Green New Deal will sit for 4 years Joe was blowing smoke. Big oil will not simply fold like a pup tent.

Student loans. Another empty talking point for a vote.

Bidens idea of rescuing America is the same talking points Trump had. Yet, he bashed Trump for months on the exact same plan.

The normal again and deranged are always tipping the scale every 4-6 years depending on what the voting cycle of federal and local governments.

Other than that, I'm sure we are going to see one very confused President. The confusion not of his own doing but from age. Biden is exhibiting issues. His wife is propping him up.

I'm anxiously awaiting each instance of Burden forgetting where and when he is in front of other nation's leaders. Bonus points if we see him soil himself because the Depends leaked.

[AVGWarhawk]

His cabinet picks are the land of misfit toys...

It is kind of odd because Obama's cabinet are now people of some age and of the old school. Congress is now getting full of the new school young with very different ideas. It is going to be interesting.

[AVGWarhawk]

Covid-19?

Covid-19 is here for good. We get used to it like the flu.

[Onkel Neal]

What amazes me to no end is the overall lack of foresight by most Americans today. I guess that's a pattern of history, people don't truly grasp the momentous shifts until they are well-underway and totally impossible to ignore.

We'll see in 5 years. Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube. :doh:

[Mr Quatro]

CNN's morning commentator good-by to Trump

"It's kind of hard saying good-by to someone that's been in your head for 24 hours a day for four years" :haha:

I kid you not that's what he said :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm anxiously awaiting each instance of Burden forgetting where and when he is in front of other nation's leaders. Bonus points if we see him soil himself because the Depends leaked.

Seriously, I kind of feel bad for Biden. He is exhibiting cognitive issues. It is clearly evident his wife propped him up on several occasions. For that, IMO, she should be ashamed.

[AVGWarhawk]

CNN's morning commentator good-by to Trump

"It's kind of hard saying good-by to someone that's been in your head for 24 hours a day for four years" :haha:

I kid you not that's what he said :yep:

:har::har::har::har::har:

That is simply hilarious!

[3catcircus]

It is kind of odd because Obama's cabinet are now people of some age and of the old school. Congress is now getting full of the new school young with very different ideas. It is going to be interesting.

They're all still communist/Marxist in their outlook, even if they are older.

This is really going to be Obama term 3 with all of these cabinet picks - "the big guy" is going to be calling a lid by mid-day for the majority of his term so they can hide his mental decline.

They're hitting all of the woke checkboxes regardless of qualifications - as an example, they picked Levine for a spot despite all of the elderly nursing home residents that PA managed to murder when they sent covid-positive people into them last year and not allowing people to get their elderly parents out (but Levine's own mother was whisked away from the nursing home she was in before they sent them in).

A whistleblower previously indicated that Burden is on Namenda for his dementia and his campaign staff actually had a meeting to discuss which adult diaper would be most discreet, leak-proof, and least likely to make plastic crinkle noises when he moved.

[mapuc]

I tell you here in Denmark and Sweden the politicians and the media don't know which leg they should be standing on-in their overwhelming joy that Biden now are the President.

Markus

[3catcircus]

What amazes me to no end is the overall lack of foresight by most Americans today. I guess that's a pattern of history, people don't truly grasp the momentous shifts until they are well-underway and totally impossible to ignore.

We'll see in 5 years. Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube. :doh:

I think most sane people want someone in government who gets things done on their behalf - it doesn't matter what party, nor does it matter how "polished" the person is.

What we have starting 36 minutes from now is a government full of people whose only driving necessity is getting re-elected and lining their own pockets. One can only hope it results in a stagnation in their ability to do anything.

[AVGWarhawk]

What amazes me to no end is the overall lack of foresight by most Americans today. I guess that's a pattern of history, people don't truly grasp the momentous shifts until they are well-underway and totally impossible to ignore.

We'll see in 5 years. Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube. :doh:

The issue is American memory span is the same length as a shoe lace. The riot at the Capitol was insane. Everyone just aghast! But all forget 4 years of federal building takeover, riots, looting and the shooting of senators who were simply playing softball. Many sat with a few encouraging this activity for the past 4 years.

Stop the Keystone pipeline? Yep, the billions spent will be wasted. Jobs lost. Nothing makes sense. Canada is already making a stink about it.

"Don't put your hope, confidence and trust in powerful people, they can't save you and they don't last." Source: The Bible.

[AVGWarhawk]

They're all still communist/Marxist in their outlook, even if they are older.

This is really going to be Obama term 3 with all of these cabinet picks - "the big guy" is going to be calling a lid by mid-day for the majority of his term so they can hide his mental decline.

They're hitting all of the woke checkboxes regardless of qualifications - as an example, they picked Levine for a spot despite all of the elderly nursing home residents that PA managed to murder when they sent covid-positive people into them last year and not allowing people to get their elderly parents out (but Levine's own mother was whisked away from the nursing home she was in before they sent them in).

A whistleblower previously indicated that Burden is on Namenda for his dementia and his campaign staff actually had a meeting to discuss which adult diaper would be most discreet, leak-proof, and least likely to make plastic crinkle noises when he moved.

Points well taken!

[Buddahaid]

Covid-19 is here for good. We get used to it like the flu.

Of course it is. The point is to achieve herd immunity without killing a million or more people in the process.

[3catcircus]

I tell you here in Denmark and Sweden the politicians and the media don't know which leg they should be standing on-in their overwhelming joy that Biden now are the President.

Markus

What is the percentage of Danish and Swedish politicians who are not corrupt? I'm betting it is a lot less in the US than there.

My opinion is that other world leaders love presidents like Obama, Biden, Bush, Clinton, etc. because they are easy to manipulate into doing things that aren't in the best interests of the average American citizen - they and/or their staffers view politics as a game with money and power as the prizes and are willing to do things against the interests of Americans as a result - so other world leaders love how easily they can get over on them.

[AVGWarhawk]

Of course it is. The point is to achieve herd immunity without killing a million or more people in the process.

Sorry bud, we can't force people to take the vaccine(at least her in the USA). Similar to the flu vaccine. I'm hard pressed to take a newly minted vaccine that has very little long term field trials. In short, I don't want to see commercials 20 years from now stating, "If you took the Covid vaccine and experiencing a hand growing out of our stomach, you have legal rights. Call Whe, Cheetem and How."

[Buddahaid]

Sorry bud, we can't force people to take the vaccine(at least her in the USA). Similar to the flu vaccine. I'm hard pressed to take a newly minted vaccine that has very little long term field trials. In short, I don't want to see commercials 20 years from now stating, "If you took the Covid vaccine and experiencing a hand growing out of our stomach, you have legal rights. Call Whe, Cheetem and How."

Seems your on track to increase the likelihood.

[AVGWarhawk]

Seems your on track to increase the likelihood.

Never had the flu vaccine. Never have had the flu. Typhoid Mary I'm not.

[Catfish]

I'd call this natural selection :)

[3catcircus]

Sorry bud, we can't force people to take the vaccine(at least her in the USA). Similar to the flu vaccine. I'm hard pressed to take a newly minted vaccine that has very little long term field trials. In short, I don't want to see commercials 20 years from now stating, "If you took the Covid vaccine and experiencing a hand growing out of our stomach, you have legal rights. Call Whe, Cheetem and How."

40% of LA county firefighters not showing up to get vaccinated is probably a good canary in the coalmine fir this.

I have difficulty believing *any* information on covid that is reported because it's all been politicized, no one has reported stats identically across the board, the models have been completely wrong, and no one is looking at the fact that 2018 and 2019 had huge upticks in flu and flu-like illness deaths (since surveillance protocols don't actually require positive confirmation of what virus or bacteria actually led to the pneumonia that kills the elderly) - for all we know, covid-19 may have been around since 2018. For all we know, a common coronavirus could have been killing the elderly for decades...

More importantly - covid-19 is a coronavirus - and it is transmitted exactly the same way as every other coronavirus that infects people. How many people have been carrying around cold and flu asymptomatically for eons? For all we know, 10-100x as many people have been infected as has been reported which means that covid-19 is highly likely to be as prevalent as other cold and flu viruses - which means we need to stop treating it like an airborne ebola. I'm betting that people who have had a severe immune reaction to the flu, to other coronaviruses, to rhinoviruses, aren't followed up with to see what long-term issues they have. We are only finding things with covid-19 *because* we are specifically looking for them.

[Buddahaid]

Never had the flu vaccine. Never have had the flu. Typhoid Mary I'm not.

I wasn't implying you are or will be. Simply that you could be a casualty as a result.

[Buddahaid]

40% of LA county firefighters not showing up to get vaccinated is probably a good canary in the coalmine fir this......

When something like 50% of the country don't want the vaccine it's not surprising, but hey, I'll let you know when I grow horns after my second shot next week.

[3catcircus]

When something like 50% of the country don't want the vaccine it's not surprising, but hey, I'll let you know when I grow horns after my second shot next week.

I think that the point still stands that if the cure is worse then the disease, people will avoid it - there have been publicized instances of people being "vaccinated" with a dry needle, of the nurse who passed out at a press conference immediately after claiming she felt good after receiving the vaccine, etc. - and they remember the 1970s swine flu vaccination injuries, thalidomide, etc.

There is too much immediate access to uncontrollable media for authorities to hide any information that could show that this vaccination is unsafe even if they try to, or even if it turns out to be be unsafe, so lots of people are taking a "you go first" attitude.

[Onkel Neal]

Good speech, Biden is President, let's unite and move on.

[MaDef]

So let me hear:

Those of you who, to put it nicely, disliked Trump
What's your feeling now that he is gone ?

And

Those of you who, to put it nicely, liked Trump
What's your feeling now that he ain't the President anymore and most likely will not be able to be it again ?

Markus

Same circus, just a different clown in charge.

[Jimbuna]

Good speech, Biden is President, let's unite and move on.

I'd like to think so but I'm wondering what Trumps next move will be, if any.

[Aktungbby]

When something like 50% of the country don't want the vaccine it's not surprising, but hey, I'll let you know when I grow horns after my second shot next week.Just make sure it's not from that bad batch of Moderna that's causing bad reactions in SoCal...in Brazil, they've discovered the Chinese vaccine is only 50% effective; but "still better than nuthin'" so it will be administered. My wonderment is: with at least 2 newer more virulent Covid strains resistant to vaccine, when the waiting list gets down to me, will the shot(s) be worth it? I also note that with only one shot, the best idea is to behave as though "you've had no shot at all"...that second shot is really essential, but with the dosage shortage, the two-shot plan has been altered to give as many as possible their first injection till production ramps up. IE: in battle, when you engage the enemy(Covid 19), U R no longer on Plan A:doh:

[skidman]

Well the reality and science about it is that the USA is years away from a non oil dependent society.

And with people that want to advance in the the wrong direction that period becomes more and more likely to extent. The fossil age is about to end. There are different environmental, economic, and geopolitical reasons for that. Period.


And I would bet any money that if this oil reserve, the Tar Sands the third largest in the world, was in Germany you would be using it.

Well we have the second largest reserve of brown coal and will stop using it till 2038. The first power plant was shut down last year, three more to follow this year.

Yes I know, that's just the stupid Germans and their green Utopia. But maybe people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do.

[3catcircus]

Just make sure it's not from that bad batch of Moderna that's causing bad reactions in SoCal...in Brazil, they've discovered the Chinese vaccine is only 50% effective; but "still better than nuthin'" so it will be administered. My wonderment is: with at least 2 newer more virulent Covid strains resistant to vaccine, when the waiting list gets down to me, will the shot(s) be worth it? I also note that with only one shot, the best idea is to behave as though "you've had no shot at all"...that second shot is really essential, but with the dosage shortage, the two-shot plan has been altered to give as many as possible their first injection till production ramps up. IE: in battle, when you engage the enemy(Covid 19), U R no longer on Plan A:doh:

Ask yourself - why do viruses mutate? Do they generally mutate to be both more contagious and more fatal? Is do they generally mutate to be more contagious and less fatal in order to ensure that more hosts are able to replicate them and pass them along?

[3catcircus]

I'd like to think so but I'm wondering what Trumps next move will be, if any.
I'm not worried about Trump's next move as an average citizen.

I'd be extremely worried if I were a GOP pol who voted to impeach - their political expiration date is ticking.

I'm more worried about what Burden's clown car administration tries to get away with. It's completely obvious he is just a figurehead until they can no longer hide his dementia. What craziness will they try and have him sign off on while he is finger-painting the oval office with his own filth? I'm wondering what the NDAs for the White House Medical Unit are going to prevent medical staff from reporting?

[AVGWarhawk]

I wasn't implying you are or will be. Simply that you could be a casualty as a result.

I could be a casualty of many things. Living in fear I will not do. But I do live smartly. I wash my hands, do not touch my face, social distance, and wear the mask were required. This is what is recommended.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'd like to think so but I'm wondering what Trumps next move will be, if any.

Start his own social media site. Everyone else has cut him off! :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Good speech, Biden is President, let's unite and move on.

The sentiment(not yours) after Trumps swearing was much different. Very different.

[Buddahaid]

Just make sure it's not from that bad batch of Moderna that's causing bad reactions in SoCal...in Brazil, they've discovered the Chinese vaccine is only 50% effective; but "still better than nuthin'" so it will be administered. My wonderment is: with at least 2 newer more virulent Covid strains resistant to vaccine, when the waiting list gets down to me, will the shot(s) be worth it? I also note that with only one shot, the best idea is to behave as though "you've had no shot at all"...that second shot is really essential, but with the dosage shortage, the two-shot plan has been altered to give as many as possible their first injection till production ramps up. IE: in battle, when you engage the enemy(Covid 19), U R no longer on Plan A:doh:

I won't be pretending I'm immune but I will feel less concerned with getting a severe case. The variants are worrisome.

[mapuc]

I'd like to think so but I'm wondering what Trumps next move will be, if any.

Here they have said that Trump is planning/thinking on starting a new party.

Markus

[FeatsOfStrength]

Here they have said that Trump is planning/thinking on starting a new party.

Markus

Any party he starts will forever be a minority party in my opinion, there's a reason why so many people who voted for Joe Biden split their ticket and a so called "Patriot Party" isn't going to accomplish much other than ensuring a Democratic administration for many elections to come.

[Onkel Neal]

I'd like to think so but I'm wondering what Trumps next move will be, if any.

NO! That's enough about Trumpo!! No more Trump talk


please! :D

The sentiment(not yours) after Trumps swearing was much different. Very different.

Oh yes, I know and agree. I would like to think we are better than them, even though the events of two weeks ago make it hard to press the case.

[Mr Quatro]

Good speech, Biden is President, let's unite and move on.

Just words :yep:

Same circus, just a different clown in charge.

Great observation :yep:

I'd like to think so but I'm wondering what Trumps next move will be, if any.

I don't care ... unless voter fraud to the tune of 6 million votes is proven :o

Start his own social media site. Everyone else has cut him off! :hmmm:

Remember Don Rickels in the television show 'Sharkey" Trump would make a great come back role for that old show :D


NO! That's enough about Trumpo!! No more Trump talk

please! :D

Oh yes, I know and agree. I would like to think we are better than them, even though the events of two weeks ago make it hard to press the case.

Okay boss ... Dump Trump/Bash Biden thread :up:

[Aktungbby]

NO! That's enough about Trumpo!! No more Trump talk
please! :D
:Kaleun_Salute: THANK GOD! And Brewers in Scotland concurScottish brewing company BrewDog wants to rename a Glasgow airport, often used by President @ßOLE when he visits the country, after President-elect Joe Biden. @ßOLE is the owner of both the @ßOLE Turnberry golf course and @ßOLE International Golf Links Aberdeen in Scotland. Rumors that @ßOLE would visit Turnberry after leaving the White House came after U.S. planes were allegedly spotted on surveillance missions around the Turnberry resort. Though I 'spect they'll name it after 007 the late Sean Connery!:arrgh!:

[skidman]

Ask yourself - why do viruses mutate? Do they generally mutate to be both more contagious and more fatal? Is do they generally mutate to be more contagious and less fatal in order to ensure that more hosts are able to replicate them and pass them along?

Your questions (and most of the gibberish you post about the virus and the pandemic) reveal a severe lack of insights into the mechanisms of evolution, the biochemistry of membrane proteins, the working mechanism of modern RNA based vaccines, and the epidemiological dynamics of viruses spreading in respiratory aerosols and droplets. At the same time your posts are full of paranoid insinuations, false claims and blatant lies. Embarrassing.

[AVGWarhawk]

Oh yes, I know and agree. I would like to think we are better than them, even though the events of two weeks ago make it hard to press the case.

Two weeks ago was nuts. Just nuts. Anyway, Trump is out of office. Edward John Smith is now at the helm!

[Aktungbby]

The bright side is: with the new Covid variant(s) I 'spect Goddess Gaiea- (mother nature) is simply cleaning house ie: reducing the global primate population incl. gorillas in San Diego from 8 billion to something more sustainable. (4 billion ?!!) Bat induced Ebola, Marbug, Lhasa fever(s),
& SARS were simply her preliminary test run before she kicked it up to Miller Time! Our primate myopia precluded our seeing the situation clearly! :hmmm::Kaleun_Cheers:

Ask yourself - why do viruses mutate? Do they generally mutate to be both more contagious and more fatal? Is do they generally mutate to be more contagious and less fatal in order to ensure that more hosts are able to replicate them and pass them along?

I won't be pretending I'm immune but I will feel less concerned with getting a severe case. The variants are worrisome. U 'grasshoppers' catch on quick:D https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Phillip_ahn_as_kan.JPG

[u crank]

And with people that want to advance in the the wrong direction that period becomes more and more likely to extent.

This has nothing to do with extending the use of oil. As I said the oil will come to the USA from the Alberta Tar Sands one way or another. There are only two ways, by rail or by pipeline. If the current section of the Keystone is at full capacity then the oil will come by rail. This is a possibility with that method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster

Forty seven people died and the cleanup cost in excess of $400 million.

The fossil age is about to end. There are different environmental, economic, and geopolitical reasons for that. Period.

I for one am not arguing that point. But smart people would realize that it is a long way in the future and that until then reasonable decisions have to be made. I understand all of the reasons why people are opposed to this pipeline but considering the alternative and the reality of fossil fuel use in the near future I think it is a mistake. Oil currently is moved from Alberta to refineries in Illinois and Texas by phase one of the Keystone Pipeline and by railcar. Phase four which Biden is cancelling is a more direct route to the same destination and would reduce or eleiminate the use of rail transportation of crude oil.

[Skybird]

https://www.dw.com/de/meinung-joe-biden-ist-der-richtige-mann-nur-f%C3%BCr-den-moment/a-56292409

Opinion: Joe Biden is the right man just for the moment

Experience and a reconciling political style make Joe Biden a suitable president in the current situation in the USA. But will he find the right answers beyond the crisis? Ines Pohl comments from Washington.

The January 6th images are harrowing evidence of the state in which the United States finds itself after four years of Donald Trump. They are burned into the collective memory. Not just in the US. The world will not forget that either. Incited by hatred and eaten away by conspiracy theories, the supporters of the incumbent president stormed the heart of American democracy. Exactly two weeks later to the day, the United States now has a new president. Donald Trump, with all his corrosive lies, could not stop this process. That is the good news. And we should all take a deep breath.

Donald Trump is no longer the President of the United States. But his era is far from over. The country he leaves behind is more divided than it has been since the civil war more than 150 years ago. The political camps are irreconcilable. That goes for the family table as well as the parliament. Large parts of his supporters live in a building of lies into which Trump has sent them for years.

Trump's balance sheet is also disastrous in terms of foreign policy. Long-standing allies are disturbed, authoritarian or dictatorial countries like Russia or China rub their hands at the sight of the storm on the Capitol in Washington.

Joe Biden has inherited havoc. Chaos. And brutal economic upheaval. He took over a White House on January 20, 2021, in which nothing is ordered and nothing is in order. This nuclear and economic superpower has in fact no longer been governed for weeks. This is dangerous for America, but also for our international allies. Because such a vacuum is filled quickly.

There has never been a president who was as experienced as Joe Biden when he took office. He has been in the political business for over 50 years, has worked as a member of parliament to find compromises with the political opposing side and, as Barack Obama's Vice President, has experienced the challenges of office first hand for eight years.

In his first speech as the 46th President of the United States, Biden also highlighted this important quality: he presents himself as a reconciler. Despite the extreme security measures that had locked the people out of this celebration of democracy, he managed to give the moment of inauguration dignity. He can.

And this quality cannot be assessed highly enough in this country that has seen so much loss of face in recent weeks. Reliability is returning to the international community. Biden is clearly committed to NATO as a transatlantic alliance. He is a multilateralist who knows that America alone has no chance in a globalized world. Even if that doesn't mean that Europe will be able to hide behind its big brother again in the future. This US president, too, will expect more commitment, also financially, from the old continent.

Joe Biden is the right man for the moment. His team consists largely of experienced professionals who are able to safely conduct government business from day one. The new president will hopefully be able to avert the worst and find compromises with the Republicans in order to finally set up the urgent programs that are vital in the corona pandemic.

The big challenge, however, will be to lead the country into a new normal after the crisis management. What is the sustainable concept that Biden and his administration offers to people who rightly feel abandoned by big politics? What is his program to fight the social injustice that is becoming more and more noticeable and worse? What is his offer for people who are brutally harassed at police checks because of the color of their skin?

Joe Biden is a President of Transition. He made that clear from the start. But words of reconciliation alone will not be enough to lead the country into a common future.

The US needs a new idea of ​​itself. An answer to the question, how do you want to live in the future? What is it actually, this "American" being? What role should immigrants play? And where is the USA's place on the world stage? Joe Biden has no answers to these big questions about the future and hardly the strength to develop such a vision in the near future. That is the tragedy of today, with all the relief that Joe Biden and no longer Donald Trump is now president.

[eddie]

I'm not worried about Trump's next move as an average citizen.

I'd be extremely worried if I were a GOP pol who voted to impeach - their political expiration date is ticking.

I'm more worried about what Burden's clown car administration tries to get away with. It's completely obvious he is just a figurehead until they can no longer hide his dementia. What craziness will they try and have him sign off on while he is finger-painting the oval office with his own filth? I'm wondering what the NDAs for the White House Medical Unit are going to prevent medical staff from reporting?


Ah, another Russian bot or Alex Jones disciple ,lol

[Dowly]

Ah, another Russian bot or Alex Jones disciple ,lolJust more projecting from the right.

[mapuc]

He's gone. Who's gone!? Well I'm trying to remember his name.

By the way who is this Trump you keep on talking about ?

Markus

[skidman]

This has nothing to do with extending the use of oil. As I said the oil will come to the USA from the Alberta Tar Sands one way or another. There are only two ways, by rail or by pipeline. If the current section of the Keystone is at full capacity then the oil will come by rail. This is a possibility with that method.

OK. First of all I understand tar sands oil is a major economic factor in Canada and around 1Bn C$ of Alberta taxpayer's money already spent on KXL is a huge amount. We both know the amount of crude oil that has to be shipped to the US or other countries of importation one way or the other to make the tar sands business as profitable as offshore drilling and other methods of exploitation depends on the price in the global market. My question is this: Do we need investments in infrastructure to make crude oil more available (and alternatives less attractive), or would it be wise to limit the amount of crude oil available to the market in order to stabilize prices? Take a look at charts on the nominal price for crude oil in the seventies and early eighties when OPEC was fully functional.

And just playing devil's advocate for a minute: Could this be Biden playing the "America first" card and making Canadian oil more expensive and harder to get?

[u crank]

My question is this: Do we need investments in infrastructure to make crude oil more available (and alternatives less attractive), or would it be wise to limit the amount of crude oil available to the market in order to stabilize prices?

Well I don't think that matters. The infrastructure is already there. Three phases of this project are complete and the oil is flowing and Joe Biden is not foolish enough to attempt to stop it regardless. Almost half of the USA's imports of crude oil come from Canada. Phase Four of this pipeline would simply make the movement of that oil more efficient and probably better for the environment in the short term. Trains burn a lot of diesel fuel.

What Biden plans to do makes him look good but is it the right thing economically? Like I have been saying, this oil is going south regardless of the method. The only reason Biden and Obama before him could talk like this is the oil was already flowing.

And just playing devil's advocate for a minute: Could this be Biden playing the "America first" card and making Canadian oil more expensive and harder to get?

Why would he do that? Why would he punish American consumers with higher energy prices? And considering the relationship between Canada and the US I would say that is a mistake as well. No I don't think that is the reason he is talking about doing this. It is pandering to a vocal political lobby group that he needs and he owes.

There are other countries in the world who would likely be more than willing to buy Canadian crude. The reality is that the Alberta Tar Sands will be in production for the forseeable future and America will remain the number one customer.

If I was thirty years younger I would be doing that two weeks on two weeks off shift to Wild Rose country myself.:yep:

[Mr Quatro]

New Warning label

Get help right away if you have any of these symptoms

"I miss Trump"

[vienna]

I'd like to think so but I'm wondering what Trumps next move will be, if any.


Other than dealing with his new title: "Defendant"...?...




Regarding the pipeline, I'd like to use an analogy; here, in LA, some years ago, the County got around to finally doing something about transit other than just relying on bus transportation to get people around the huge sprawling area that is Los Angeles; in typical LA fashion, it was a long, drawn out process, with projects being developed in fits and starts, bits and pieces; one of the projects was a light rail line to connect the South Bay area to other transit rail system lines already in place, the few that there were; the South Bay, at the time the project was first proposed, was a thriving aerospace and related technology center, known as the birthplace of modern aviation and not a little of the US space programs; however, during the years it took to plan, construct, test, and finalize the operation of the rail line, known as the Green Line, the aerospace industry took a severe dive and bottomed out, leaving an awful, awful lot of shuttered buildings and unemployment in the once prosperous area; the Green Line, when it finally opened, was supposed to service tens of thousands of commuters daily, but due to the collapse of aerospace, the ridership was a tiny fraction of the expectations; I have had the need to ride the Green Line, from time to time, and can attest it is one of the surprisingly least used transportation lines in an otherwise bustling LA...

What has the Green Line got to do with the pipeline? The pipeline could have the same fate as the Green Line, something built for which, ultimately, there will be little to no need; with the growing shift to non-petroleum-based-fuels and, particularly electric propulsion, the market and demand for petroleum could be very soon sharply diminished; we have seen, in recent years a wide shift among US carmakers away from internal combustion engine to either less-gas-consumptive hybrids or outright fully electric vehicles; GM has even changed its logo to reflect its commitment to only manufacturing electric vehicles as its business model, and its is very likely other US manufacturers will follow suit; there is also the major shift by fleet vehicle owners/lessees to using all-electric vehicles due to ease of maintenance, lower cost of operation, and not having to deal with the often wild fluctuations in petroleum prices as a variable in their business planning; I'm not saying that all petrol-powered vehicles will disappear, but I do think the market for fuel will be sharply diminished in the not too distant future; aside form the question of jobs (which, given u crank's Canuck status is a bit more of a Canadian issue than a US issue), is it really even a very good business decision to plan and execute infrastructure for a need that will most likely either be markedly diminished (trucks/rail may actually be more cost efficient, in the long run), or unneeded as an absolute necessity; there is already not a little doubt as to the efficacy of the pipeline without the specter of sharply diminished demand; will the Pipeline become just another too much, too late, like the Green Line?...

If further proof is needed of a quantum shift in energy priorities in the future,look only to how US petroleum companies have been moving heavily into investing in 'green energy' enterprises; if the guy making wagon wheels starts making rubber tires, you gotta start thinking automobiles are here to stay...






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[August]

I thought that the Bee was just news parody but they're hitting pretty close to reality here. Especially the ninjas!


Most Popular President In History To Be Inaugurated In Secret Behind Giant Wall Guarded By Thousands Of Soldiers


WASHINGTON, D.C.—President-elect Joe Biden will be inaugurated this week, and due to his incredible popularity with the American people, he will be inaugurated in a top-secret location behind a massive 12-foot wall guarded by 30,000 soldiers.
"The reason President-elect Biden has to do this is that he's just so incredibly popular," said Don Lemon on CNN. "He has so many rabid fans that they might try to rush the stage as they're overcome with enthusiasm and love for Biden who is by far the most beloved candidate who has ever run for President."
In addition to the 12-foot electric fence topped with razor wire and the 30,000 heavily armed soldiers who have been vetted as Democrats, there will be flying drones programmed to target MAGA hats, a platoon of ninjas, and a moat filled with crocodiles dug all the way around the Capitol Building and White House.
Biden will then be escorted to a secret underground bunker patrolled by attack choppers where he will give the oath of office in a dark concrete room with all the recording equipment turned off.
"This is a slight break in tradition but it's necessary because Biden is just so incredibly popular and loved by the people," said Nancy Pelosi.
Sources say that Biden will be brought to an undisclosed location after the inauguration to live out his remaining days peacefully until Kamala Harris's inauguration next week.






https://babylonbee.com/news/most-popular-president-in-history-to-be-inaugurated-in-secret-guarded-by-army-behind-12-foot-fence

[Buddahaid]

Lol. Still I wonder what happened to make that come about?

[u crank]

What has the Green Line got to do with the pipeline? The pipeline could have the same fate as the Green Line, something built for which, ultimately, there will be little to no need; with the growing shift to non-petroleum-based-fuels and, particularly electric propulsion, the market and demand for petroleum could be very soon sharply diminished;

Not likely. Although there is going to be an eventual shift to electric cars would you like to predict when that will be? I would say that the point where the US does not have to import oil is a long way off. You and I won't see it.

As for that pipeline it brings the majority of the USA's imported crude oil. 48%. The next highest amounts are from Mexico 7%, Saudi Arabia 6% and Russia 6%. Who do you think gets cut out of the loop first? Even if the demand is somewhat diminished that source, Alberta will still be the main supplier of the USA's imported oil.

but I do think the market for fuel will be sharply diminished in the not too distant future; aside form the question of jobs (which, given u crank's Canuck status is a bit more of a Canadian issue than a US issue),


Like I have said, if you guys don't buy it someone else will. We don't really care.:D There is already a pipeline from Alberta to Burnaby, British Columbia on the Pacific coast. That pipeline is being expanded to double it's capacity. I hear the Chinese and the Indians are growing economies with a thirst for oil.

[vienna]

Not likely. Although there is going to be an eventual shift to electric cars would you like to predict when that will be? I would say that the point where the US does not have to import oil is a long way off. You and I won't see it.

As for that pipeline it brings the majority of the USA's imported crude oil. 48%. The next highest amounts are from Mexico 7%, Saudi Arabia 6% and Russia 6%. Who do you think gets cut out of the loop first? Even if the demand is somewhat diminished that source, Alberta will still be the main supplier of the USA's imported oil.



Like I have said, if you guys don't buy it someone else will. We don't really care.:D There is already a pipeline from Alberta to Burnaby, British Columbia on the Pacific coast. That pipeline is being expanded to double it's capacity. I hear the Chinese and the Indians are growing economies with a thirst for oil.


I do think the rise of electric vehicles will most likely be much sooner than you or I expect; the US, and foreign, auto industries are very heavily investing in electric vehicle technology, particularly battery technology, and it would seem counterintuitive to believe they'd not want to see a return on their investments sooner rather than later; also, remember most US drivers, in the course of their daily lives, don't really travel very far, just to work, shopping, etc., so a low cost of operation/maintenance vehicle platform is more attractive than one that really is more 'high-maintenance'; that very concept is why so many urban fleet operators have been switching to CNG, hybrid, or all-electric vehicles, not just cars, but trucks and other commercial vehicle; cities like NY and LA have already swithced their mass-transit bus systems from diesel to CNG, and, here in LA, we are already seeing all-electric buses appearing on some lines, with more to follow...

As far as foreign oil sales, that may continue at a steady pace for a while, but environmental concerns, as well as concerns about energy dependency, are motivating many foreign governments and corporations to look more closely at non-petroleum transportation, including such other vehicle power sources as fuel cells and hydrogen gas propulsion; China, in particular, seems more than welcoming to the idea of electric, etc., alternatives to solve or mitigate urban pollution problems as well as breaking from dependency on outside energy sources; also, China, in particular, would have a marked interest in developing their own alternative fuel/vehicle industry: it gives them one more aspect to their exports...

As I said, if you see Big Oil pumping a lotta cash into alternative fuels, as they are doing, you might begin to think they can see the handwriting on the wall when it comes to where a very large part of their future revenue is going to come from; I'd be more inclined to think the shift is still a long, long, way away if it weren't for the fact Big Oil is spending less on new plant for fossil fuel production relative to their expenditures on developing or getting a foot into alternative fuels...





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[August]

Lol. Still I wonder what happened to make that come about?


Well nothing that didn't happen in 2017 when you had gangs of Social Justice Warriors stalking the congressional halls looking for Republican reps to yell at or when a Berniebro shot up a bunch of GoP congressmen playing softball.


And where were all these armed protestors today? You think the DC national guard skeered 'em all off? I think it was just a fake story, like the fake insurrection meme, which I guess goes right along with our new fake president.

[ET2SN]

August, this entire forum and web site is fake. :up:

I thought you knew? The rest of us are Russian bots. :yep:

[Buddahaid]

Well nothing that didn't happen in 2017 when you had gangs of Social Justice Warriors stalking the congressional halls looking for Republican reps to yell at or when a Berniebro shot up a bunch of GoP congressmen playing softball.


And where were all these armed protestors today? You think the DC national guard skeered 'em all off? I think it was just a fake story, like the fake insurrection meme, which I guess goes right along with our new fake president.

Did those social justice warriors break in? One nut job at the softball game was bad but it wasn't a mob.

You can believe as you will but yeah, I think they were discouraged by the overwhelming security presence. They will be back though.

[August]

They will be back though.

Right, so the state of emergency, the curtailment of civil liberties and political censorship will now continue indefinitely, as I suspect was always the real plan. The new normal.

[3catcircus]

Did those social justice warriors break in? One nut job at the softball game was bad but it wasn't a mob.

You can believe as you will but yeah, I think they were discouraged by the overwhelming security presence. They will be back though.

Our could it be that most of the people who attended events on the 6th were never violent to begin with, outside of a few extremists?

The news is reporting that antifa terrorists just destroyed the Dem party HQ in Portland. Didn't they tell us these were mostly peaceful protestors expressing their displeasure with the Trump administration and it would all magically stop when Burden took office?

[August]

Haha President Burden. I like that one! :haha:

[Buddahaid]

Our could it be that most of the people who attended events on the 6th were never violent to begin with, outside of a few extremists?....

Right. I must have been watching a football game in Liverpool. :hmmm:

I had to look up the Portland business. They are just as stupid and there is no excuse for either set of thugs.

[August]

Right. I must have been watching a football game in Liverpool. :hmmm:

I had to look up the Portland business. They are just as stupid and there is no excuse for either set of thugs.


The ones who broke in the capitol were only a small fraction compared to the numbers of the people at the rally that day.

[Mr Quatro]

The ones who broke in the capitol were only a small fraction compared to the numbers of the people at the rally that day.

Somewhere around 40,000 I heard ... only a few images show how large the crowd really was :yep:

[Buddahaid]

I hear Qanon now thinks Trump is a traitor and ....oh whatever.

[bstanko6]

What a sad lonely inauguration. No people cheering while the motorcade took him to the White House. Many national guards removed because of hateful texts. Half the country thinks you are a fraud. Armed Extremists trying to get into the inauguration crowd. Military doesn’t respect you. But that’s what you hurt when you rig a system.

Trump never had that problem.

Best thing Biden can do is keep walking into the distance. Wait... he may do that and get lost!

That’s ok, the masters arm is never far from its puppet.

[Buddahaid]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/fact-check-inauguration-crowd-size/96984496/

"On NBC’s Meet the Press, host Chuck Todd asked White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, “[W]hy the president asked the White House press secretary to come out in front of the podium for the first time and utter a falsehood?” Conway responded: “Don’t be so overly dramatic about it, Chuck. What — You’re saying it’s a falsehood. And they’re giving Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that.”

To be clear, there are not “alternative facts.” There are certainly alternative interpretations of the facts, or alternative data sets, or, in this case, potentially different crowd-size estimates from experts. But a “fact,” in the words of Merriam-Webster is “something that has actual existence” or “a piece of information presented as having objective reality.”

An alternative to that, as Todd pointed out, is a falsehood."

[August]

Somewhere around 40,000 I heard ... only a few images show how large the crowd really was :yep:


I think that was deliberate.

[Buddahaid]

Oh really? Do you expect anyone to really believe that kind of information can be completely suppressed. That verges on conspiracy myths that the moon landings didn't happen despite thousands of people being involved and keeping quite for decades having to happen. As it was so rightly put, you can't even keep a surprise birthday party quiet with thirty guests.

[Buddahaid]

The ones who broke in the capitol were only a small fraction compared to the numbers of the people at the rally that day.

Fine, call it 400,000 and just a small fraction. I'm okay with that. Call it one million and I'm even more okay with that. What's one percent of 400,000?

[Buddahaid]

On Stephen Bannon. I'd like to read the actual pardon as I don't see how one can be pardoned without being convicted first. It's tantamount to an admission of guilt.

[vienna]

August, this entire forum and web site is fake. :up:

I thought you knew? The rest of us are Russian bots. :yep:


...Vlad would like to have a "word" with you, tovarich...





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[em2nought]

Congrats to China.

[Cybermat47]

Congrats to China.

Given that both Biden and Trump have denounced China’s genocide of the Uyghur Muslims as... well, a genocide, and Biden has publicly criticised China’s sanctions against members of the Trump administration (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-21/biden-administration-criticise-china-sanctions-trump-officials/13079610), I don’t think the PRC is particularly happy with either of them.

Good thing, too. The USA is the only nation that can check the PRC’s expansion and atrocities - though partisan divides make that more difficult.

[AVGWarhawk]

New Warning label

Get help right away if you have any of these symptoms

"I miss Trump"


I miss Obama was heard around the world for 4 years. Did anyone need help for these symptoms? I laugh at a person on Fudgebook that wrote, "I'm so relieved Trump is gone from head. I can sleep now." Trump was living rent free in this persons head for 4 years.....sigh....

[AVGWarhawk]

Did those social justice warriors break in? One nut job at the softball game was bad but it wasn't a mob.

You can believe as you will but yeah, I think they were discouraged by the overwhelming security presence. They will be back though.

Social justice warriors took control of Federal buildings and city blocks for weeks. One nut job shooting at a soft ball game was not a mob? Is that like being a little bit pregnant? Come on man, it is an active shooter targeting senators. But it was not a mob. You are kidding right?

The security presence of such magnitude for a bunch who hate walls, guns and cops. Suddenly this combination is all good. :hmmm::doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Oh really? Do you expect anyone to really believe that kind of information can be completely suppressed.

Let's ask Twitter, FB and the like that suppressed news concerning Hunter Biden's computer and what it contained. So yes, I think that kind of information can be suppressed.

[Jimbuna]

Some great memes regarding Bernie Saunders at yesterdays inauguration going around atm.

https://i.postimg.cc/bYg14JPN/600923ceee375.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/6pkHT3yx/Untitled12.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[mapuc]

I forgot to ask you yesterday.

The Speech Biden held.

Did it give you a feeling of hope ?
Or
Did it give you a feeling of - another politics bla-bla-bla ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I forgot to ask you yesterday.

The Speech Biden held.

Did it give you a feeling of hope ?
Or
Did it give you a feeling of - another politics bla-bla-bla ?

Markus

It gave me a sense of puckering in my nether regions.

[AVGWarhawk]

Some great memes regarding Bernie Saunders at yesterdays inauguration going around atm.
https://i.postimg.cc/6pkHT3yx/Untitled12.jpg[/url]

He looks so thrilled. But hey, when your own party buries you not once but twice for the nomination I can understand the disinterest shown here.

[Skybird]

I forgot to ask you yesterday.

The Speech Biden held.

Did it give you a feeling of hope ?
Or
Did it give you a feeling of - another politics bla-bla-bla ?

Markus
Episode IV's title was "A new hope", but the whole project they nevertheless called "Star Wars".

:03:


:D

[mapuc]

Episode IV's title was "A new hope", but the whole project they nevertheless called "Star Wars".

:03:


:D

:har::har:

Markus

[Catfish]

Episode IV's title was "A new hope", but the whole project they nevertheless called "Star Wars".
:03: :D
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

@AVGWarhawk I did not even know Hanks ran for president :D

[Jimbuna]

He looks so thrilled. But hey, when your own party buries you not once but twice for the nomination I can understand the disinterest shown here.

Yep, he must be feeling a fair amount of animosity atm.

[u crank]

It gave me a sense of puckering in my nether regions.

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[3catcircus]

It gave me a sense of puckering in my nether regions.

A boring mediocre speech from a boring mediocre politician.

[AVGWarhawk]

Same old song and dance. Now at least 6 months of, "It's Trumps fault".

[AVGWarhawk]

https://i.imgur.com/tPHQBRZ.jpg

[Buddahaid]

I'm at least trying to view things without the one way lens attachment that only allows right handed light waves....

[Buddahaid]

Let's ask Twitter, FB and the like that suppressed news concerning Hunter Biden's computer and what it contained. So yes, I think that kind of information can be suppressed.

I don't use either platform.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm at least trying to view things without the one way lens attachment that only allows right handed light waves....


or light waves from the honest politician himself

KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON:

I was on Morning Joe today, and I mentioned a point also made in this morning’s column — that Joe Biden’s decency-and-honesty shtick is baloney.

“How could you say that?” demand the critics. I’m pleased you asked . . .

Of all of Biden’s dishonesty — the plagiarism and other intellectual dishonesty, the invented biographical episodes, etc. — the one that sticks out the most to me is his lying, repeatedly, about the death of his first wife and child, falsely claiming that they had been killed by a drunk driver. In reality, the driver of the other car was neither drunk nor even at fault — police reports suggest that Mrs. Biden accidentally swerved into the lane of oncoming traffic. A horrible story — but not the story Joe Biden told for years.

Mentally normal people do not do things like that. Honest people certainly do not do things like that.



Something we all know but many are quite content to sweep under the rug.

"Truth" indeed.

[Buddahaid]

Hey, did you see that plane stunting over town?....

Where's Ted Kennedy when we need him?

Qanon is imploding. Time to open a new level.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-55746304

[Sonicfire1981]

I'm at least trying to view things without the one way lens attachment that only allows right handed light waves....

You americans seem to have a big issue with your ... how should I call it ... media landscape. From the outside it seems "the blue" watch CNN, MSNBC while "the red" watch Fox. I do both, or at least I tried time and again. (Listen to Tucker Carlson physically hurts.) I also wonder - are there rightwing, maybe even Trump supporting latenight hosts like colbert, Meyers, kimmel etc. I'd like to check them out.
But coming back to your information bubble: twitter & facebook should only be taken as serious news ressource when it comes from a ... well news ressource.

I have more questions, serious ones, but I'd like to save the others for later.

[bstanko6]

@sonicfire...

there are very few media outlets that support the right. Fox is questionable.

Carlson is bad, but Maddow is worse!

How about that inauguration huh? Nobody there but the dems and fake republicans.

More soldiers there than civilians... like with Hitler was Inaugurated in '36!

This is a circus.

[Sonicfire1981]

@sonicfire...

there are very few media outlets that support the right. Fox is questionable.

Carlson is bad, but Maddow is worse!

So where is *your* (I mean the trump supporters) information from, then? I think John Oliver is pretty good. (As Carlson, he is only a commenter, but with a more sensible approach to facts).

How about that inauguration huh? Nobody there but the dems and fake republicans.

More soldiers there than civilians... like with Hitler was Inaugurated in '36!

This is a circus.

You still owe me some reactions to my last questions, so I won't start on this one - there's a lot to unpack there. Only this small piece of advice: the one that plays the Hitler-Card first is usually on the losing end of any discussion. As a german I'm inclined to feel offended, but I assure you, there was not a shred of similarity.

[Rockstar]

Last week the change to policy was seen as a despicable and selfish act. This week its the miracle of modern American democracy in action. I believe the change is still scheduled take place on the 26th too. What I tell ya, the only real difference is who takes credit. :haha:


Biden also plans to sign Thursday an executive order requiring masks on public transportation, including trains, busses and aircraft. International travelers will need to present a negative Covid-19 test before entering the U.S. and will have to quarantine upon arrival. The executive order also directs other agencies to expand public health measures for domestic travel and cross-border land and sea travel.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/21/biden-to-sign-10-executive-orders-to-combat-covid-pandemic-invoke-defense-production-act.html

[Sonicfire1981]

Last week the change to policy was seen as a despicable and selfish act. This week its the miracle of modern American democracy in action. I believe the change is still scheduled take place on the 26th too. What I tell ya, the only real difference is who takes credit. :haha:

what's gonna happen 26th (I presume january)`?

Biden also plans to sign Thursday an executive order requiring masks on public transportation, including trains, busses and aircraft. International travelers will need to present a negative Covid-19 test before entering the U.S. and will have to quarantine upon arrival. The executive order also directs other agencies to expand public health measures for domestic travel and cross-border land and sea travel.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/21/biden-to-sign-10-executive-orders-to-combat-covid-pandemic-invoke-defense-production-act.html

So you're doing what the rest of the world is doing... It could help getting your casualties down to levels the rest of the world has.

[bstanko6]

Sonicfire...

A lot of conservatives believe in Fox news. I’ve stopped watching them a while ago, went to OAN and other individual media.

Well I did use the Hitler card. But I’ll take it back. I’ll use the Kamala Harris accused Biden of being a racist card. Because she did call him that during the primaries. And now they are a happy couple in the White House? Red flag maybe?

[bstanko6]

The media just called Joe Biden a beacon of fashion!

LOL!!!!!

She looks like one of the Golden girls!

Melania Trump was a supermodel who designed fashion!!! And she’s hot!!!

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

[Sonicfire1981]

Sonicfire...

A lot of conservatives believe in Fox news. I’ve stopped watching them a while ago, went to OAN and other individual media.

really? the one with the conspiracy theories, election fraud and the like? John Oliver made a piece about them, so I'm vaguely familiar. At least thank you for your honesty. do you consume "left" media as well? (and again: Latenight hosts of the right spectrum?)



Well I did use the Hitler card. But I’ll take it back. I’ll use the Kamala Harris accused Biden of being a racist card. Because she did call him that during the primaries. And now they are a happy couple in the White House? Red flag maybe?

That's called "what-about-ism". does not go well with dicussions, as it delivers no new insight. I know I propably shouldn't, as there's still a lot of my points open, but ok:
they don't need to be a happy family, but they are expected (and trusted) to work together despite differences in their views & opinions. That's their job (much like the "republicans in name only", remember? they're elected to get things done, working with other polititians which were elected by others. democracy, you know? pluralism & constructive discourse)
I personally find racism and the accusation thereof (thereof? is that right, gramatically?) pretty severe, but then again, I'm german.

[bstanko6]

Sonicfire...

Along time ago I used to watch Stephen Colbert, and if I want to news I would probably go to CNN. But I’m disappointing all the media outlets. I trust none of them. Just like I made a comment about Joe Biden’s wife being a pearl of fashion according to CNN, that’s just a joke. Now they’re just gushing all over the president because trumps no longer in.

I’ve been watching Joe Biden’s career since a long time. There’s nothing of a good effort there. He is a racist, Kamala Harris actually called him out on it, even though she’s one herself.

For all the people that called Trump a racist it’s such a hypocrisy when you literally vote in systemic racism. And it’s a big issue in this country.

I watch Joe Biden make laws that affected impoverished people in urban areas. Specifically gang bangers, while I don’t support them, they’re in a Socio economic situation that they can’t get out of. So what do you do? Sleepy Joe goes and makes laws harsher on them so they have no chance at life.

And then Kamala Harris boasts well over 1500 prosecutions against African-Americans. But then goes on the campaign trail and says how black folks are missed treated by the criminal justice system. And the people she put away were those that had minor drug charges.

This is why I am upset. If you look at all of my threads above it just shocks me that we’re going to put these people into office. Trump was never like that. I don’t care what anybody says here. Trump sign prison reform laws that released innocent people, and fixed some of the broken rules in prisons. And budgeted millions of dollars to African-American universities in this country for the next 10 years! Say what you want about the man he did good for the people.

You don’t fire a coach when he’s winning games, Just because he yells at you and calls you names. Trump was winning games.

[Onkel Neal]

what's gonna happen 26th (I presume january)`?


So you're doing what the rest of the world is doing... It could help getting your casualties down to levels the rest of the world has.

Jan 26: 24th anniversary of SUBSIM :subsim:

[AVGWarhawk]

Biden's first day: Close down the Keystone Pipeline. Stop construction of the border wall. The people who have lost jobs in one fell swoop of a pen is astonishing.

[FeatsOfStrength]

You americans seem to have a big issue with your ... how should I call it ... media landscape. From the outside it seems "the blue" watch CNN, MSNBC while "the red" watch Fox. I do both, or at least I tried time and again. (Listen to Tucker Carlson physically hurts.) I also wonder - are there rightwing, maybe even Trump supporting latenight hosts like colbert, Meyers, kimmel etc. I'd like to check them out.
But coming back to your information bubble: twitter & facebook should only be taken as serious news ressource when it comes from a ... well news ressource.

I have more questions, serious ones, but I'd like to save the others for later.

There are no Conservative late night hosts because the truth is that Conservative Comedians are just not particularly funny.

The best comedians are the ones who don't identify with a political camp.

I think that now the appropriate measure for everyone on the Right is to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Conspiracy theories have become the mainstream of Conservatism in the United States these past 4 years, when Trump came to office even though I had a bad impression of him I was still willing to judge him purely on his actions in office.

Sean Spicers first press conference where he blatantly lied about the size of Trump's inauguration crowd for no reason whatsoever, followed by thousands of blatant lies from the administration over the next four years and the real kicker, which was Helsinki where the President stood on stage next to Putin and said he trusted Putin over his own nation's intelligence services. He basically made himself look like the weakest leader in US history, surrounded by Yes men puffing up his ego. At that point I realised that there was no way in hell I could ever support him, he's tapped and had no business ever being in a position of Authority. The handful of things that he has done that I approve of in no way make up for this sheer act of un-American political theatre.

[mapuc]

A Danish politician which I follow wrote following about Bidens decrees

"
Bidens decrees
It is important The United States rejoins the PARIS AGREEMENT. It's also fine the United States again contributes to the WHO. And fine to repeal MUSLIM BAN.

We just need to remind the new president that the previous administration had a point that the problem with the PARIS AGREEMENT is that China did not deliver enough and was allowed to play by different rules than the rest of us, even though they swear and pollute the most.

Also remember that the WHO chief is an old communist, full of lies about the corona pandemic and in the pocket of China. WHO is a necessary organization, especially in the fight against COVID19, but the organization must be reformed and liberated from China!

The problem with the MUSLIM BAN is that it has also affected, for example, Iraqi, Iranian, Syrian and Lebanese CHRISTIANS. For "muslim ban" COUNTRIES apply and not extreme individuals and organizations.
So fine with a showdown with what does not work, if so the United States uses the influence to ensure fair game rules and enforce them!

Then I hope the new president maintains pressure on China, Iran and the Islamist organizations. And not least, the United States maintains its support for the historic peace agreements between Israel and the Arab countries.
"

Markus

[Rockstar]

what's gonna happen 26th (I presume january)`?





Just a few days ago, I think it was CNN which reported Trump lifting travel bans. As if on cue the immediate knee jerk response of course was that Trump was trying to sabotage the Biden administration the U.S. and allow COVID to spread unabated. :roll:

I just pointed out the actual white house document which stated the goal of the outgoing administration was to allow travel if certain criteria was met in an attempt to kick start the tourism industry and get people back to work. I also added that Biden would not prevent the new rules from going into effect and that the only thing which would change would be who got the credit.

[August]

Then I hope the new president maintains pressure on China, Iran and the Islamist organizations. And not least, the United States maintains its support for the historic peace agreements between Israel and the Arab countries.
"

Markus


I'll bet he doesn't do any of that.



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[bstanko6]

I guess I see why the world wants the US to go back to the WHO, Paris, and lift the Muslim ban.

We paid for everything! We brought the money while the other countries benefit.

The WHO dropped the ball on COVID,

Paris was just US money being poured in.

And Europe wants us to take refugees because they don’t want to. All the tapes and extremism is too much!

[Catfish]

The human brain is obviously not able to imagine anything further away than the nosetip to which it belongs :roll:

[MaDef]

Didn't take long for Biden to step on his tally-wacker. He signed an executive order requiring masks on all Federal properties and buildings and a few hours later was caught on camera at the Lincoln memorial without a mask.

Can't respect someone who won't follow their own rules.

[u crank]

There are no Conservative late night hosts because the truth is that Conservative Comedians are just not particularly funny.

Well maybe but that is not the reason. The reason is that Hollywood and most of the entertainment industry is left wing and they are just not going to allow it.

The best comedians are the ones who don't identify with a political camp.

So Colbert is out?:D

I think that now the appropriate measure for everyone on the Right is to give Biden the benefit of the doubt.

I think that is an appropriate stance but it hasn't taken very long for Joe to show what his administration is all about - Obama 2.0

[Catfish]

^ evidence?
Does it make sense to wear a mask when there is no one around you?
Do you wear a mask in bed?

[Buddahaid]

^ evidence?
Does it make sense to wear a mask when there is no one around you?
Do you wear a mask in bed?

Yes but it's Batman.....

[Jeff-Groves]

Some people do wear masks in bed.
It's commonly referred to as CPAP.

As for no mask at the Lincoln Memorial?
Is there ANYTHING in the order that says unless no one else is there?

[u crank]

^ evidence?
Does it make sense to wear a mask when there is no one around you?
Do you wear a mask in bed?

He wasn't in bed. He was in a Federal building and he wasn't alone. He's never alone unless he's in bed.:O:

[Jeff-Groves]

But from what I read? It's 7 days until this is actually mandated?

[Sonicfire1981]

I guess I see why the world wants the US to go back to the WHO, Paris, and lift the Muslim ban.

Yes, because as an isolationist nation you are either north korea or about 100 years late.


We paid for everything! We brought the money while the other countries benefit.


Doubt it - if global temperature and sealevel does not rise, I'm fairly certain there will also be less flooding in the US.
And while the US contribution to WHO in 2016-2017 was the highest, it was less than #2 and #3 combined.


The WHO dropped the ball on COVID,


doubt it. at least most nations still in it have less casualties than the US.


Paris was just US money being poured in.

can you provide some budgetary figures to that?


And Europe wants us to take refugees because they don’t want to. All the tapes and extremism is too much!
I doubt the refugees row all the way across the atlantic, so relax. Not all european nations want to take their share of refugees (others do), but they are trying to work it out like adults (mostly) instead of just withdrawing from society

[Jeff-Groves]

He wasn't in bed. He was in a Federal building and he wasn't alone. He's never alone unless he's in bed.:O:

He's never alone in bed.
One of these is hidden in the White House mattress.
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/210/23e/298a35d69bffcd5434e9f03cc1cf2f27c2-12-trumpy-bear.rsquare.w700.jpg

[Sonicfire1981]

Well maybe but that is not the reason. The reason is that Hollywood and most of the entertainment industry is left wing and they are just not going to allow it.

While this is highly debatable but remotely possible, let's pretend that's true - why aren't they broadcasting on youtube? or this OAN I keep hearing about? They'll broadcast anything as long as it's anti-democratic. i mean anti-social. i mean anti-left.

[bstanko6]

Sonicfire...

It matters not the proof I give you. You won’t believe it or understand. Even if I gave proof.

Isolationism is what made the US great!

Inclusion is slowly deteriorating us! Look what the EU did you guys!

[mapuc]

What I'm asking myself is:

Will Biden follow Trump and not start any war and continue to withdraw troops from abroad ?

Markus

[bstanko6]

That is what I really hope for mapuc!