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em2nought
01-07-19, 02:56 AM
We need a wall if for no other reason that to have some more movies about chaps digging tunnels to elude authorities. I'm always partial to those movies. I'd rather have Salma Hayek, Penelope Cruz, J Lo, & Jessica Alba in the star studded cast though. Maybe they have to escape from the women's detention center because it's running short of clothing.
:D
http://www.top10films.co.uk/img/Charles_Bronson_great-escape.jpg
...plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...
From 1969...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4-5i1agG0Y
...and, IIRC, things didn't end so well for the President at that time...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1vUl8YxP5M
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Mr Quatro
01-08-19, 06:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1vUl8YxP5M
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Yea! vinnea is back ... if you really are middle of the road ... :hmmm:
Why don't you trash the democrats being anti-Trump, anti-wall, anti-get along for the sake of America? :yep:
Yea! vinnea is back ... if you really are middle of the road ... :hmmm:
Why don't you trash the democrats being anti-Trump, anti-wall, anti-get along for the sake of America? :yep:
Plenty of others here to do that...
I'm just anti-stupid, anti-incompetent, anti-corrupt, anti-imbecilic, anti-fraudulent, and a few more antis...
...if I get around to it, I'll up the antis... :D
Given all I'm anti, and given the biggest possible incarnation of all the above and more currently occupies the Oval Office, I don't bother with those who are not in power or who probably won't ever be in power; they are irrelevant; and I don't have the moral incapacitation of others who criticize those who are irrelevant while, sheepishly and lemming-like, engaging in trying to defend what they so self-righteously claim to abhor...
I'd rather be a lone voice than a sniveling, cowardly, hypocritical lemming any day... :03:
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u crank
01-09-19, 07:24 AM
Why don't you trash the democrats being anti-Trump, anti-wall, anti-get along for the sake of America? :yep:
I don't bother with those who are not in power or who probably won't ever be in power; they are irrelevant;
I believe that the Congresswoman from California's 12th Congressional district is in power and is currently the Speaker of the House.
Have at it.
Jimbuna
01-11-19, 07:49 AM
Now we see a video dug up that is fifteen years old :doh:
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/-daily-show-resurfaces-2004-video-of-trump-saying-to-get-past-concrete-wall-1423368771998
Skybird
01-11-19, 08:03 AM
The region around Idlib ha sbeen surrendered by the Kurds to a fundamentalist militia that is a split-off from Al Quaida. :doh: This milita has been negotioated with and is actively supported by turkey Erdoghan. :doh::doh: First American equipment and troops are being withdrawn from Syria. The demand for guarantees not to slaughter the Kurds has been rejected by Erdoghan.
This^ is what Trump's fantasizing about "defeat of IS in Syria" looks like. Reading the future from the giblets of sacrificial chicken would bring more truths to light, than listening to the Donald's great revelations.
Skybird
01-11-19, 08:40 AM
Also interesting is how US inner politics and foreign politics influence what the Russians do. The Americans cannot like what Russia does:
I just read an update on the development of the Russian finances and reserves. Since years they have reduced the US treasuries they held, but since the sanction, they have dramatically cut them back to now almost meaningless 1.6 billion - some years ago it were over 180 billion. In spring 2018 alone they had sold off 81% of their formerly owned US bonds.
https://www.welt.de/finanzen/article186885564/Devisen-Russland-schichtet-vom-Dollar-in-Euro-um.html#cs-lazy-picture-placeholder-01c4eedaca.png
Russia's reserves in available capital are some of the highest in the world. Despite the sanctions, they build these even further during the time of the sanctions. They now stand at 467 billion USD. The share of dolalrs in that treausy, is steeply falling, currently cut down to 21%, with 32% of their reserves held in Euros, climbing, 15% are in Yuan, climbing, and 18% are solid gold. This means Russia has bought up one fourth of all gobally available Yuan reserves.
Source of original numbers: Bloomberg.
A very dramatic shift away fromt he dollar and towards China, and towards gold, and Euros.
It also shows that they are bitterly determined to cut ties to the US,and form a new bond with China.
It also shows that they probably can see what is coming at the Western economies - different to the Westerners themsleves who still deny the fallout from their desastrous bank "rescue" operation of the past ten years.
Trump and Putin close buddies? Before the camera maybe. But in reality the third world war has gone hot behind the curtain since long time, it is being fought with cyberspace weapons, in the media arena and by influencing public opinion by wepaons of "populism", and it is being fought in currencies and paper assets on the level of national economies and global currency organisation.
And we are currently in the loosers' seat while celebrating how fantastic we are.
u crank
01-11-19, 08:56 AM
The region around Idlib ha sbeen surrendered by the Kurds to a fundamentalist militia that is a split-off from Al Quaida. :doh: This milita has been negotioated with and is actively supported by turkey Erdoghan. :doh::doh: First American equipment and troops are being withdrawn from Syria. The demand for guarantees not to slaughter the Kurds has been rejected by Erdoghan.
This^ is what Trump's fantasizing about "defeat of IS in Syria" looks like. Reading the future from the giblets of sacrificial chicken would bring more truths to light, than listening to the Donald's great revelations.
And another view point.
This is geopolitical malpractice. Yet, this is not all that the DC consensus has gotten wrong and that Trump has gotten right.
The consensus also argues that America should maintain what is effectively a permanent presence in Syria and Afghanistan. This is particularly problematic given that the United States has been in Afghanistan over four times as long as the time it took for it to defeat both Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan in World War II and with no end in sight according to policy elites.
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/americas-old-school-foreign-policy-ways-must-change-41077
Now, rather than focusing on America’s greatest challenge—the rise of China—while dealing with unsustainable spending, U.S. policy elites are determined to mire America down in a morass of multiple distractions in peripheral theaters.
That is not what a large portion of the American public wants nor is it what that sector of society voted for when they elected Trump as president—or even Obama prior to Trump. Further, it is also a serious overstretch that violates the old adage of the great Prussian strategist, Frederick the Great, “He Who Defends Everything, Defends Nothing.”
Skybird
01-11-19, 10:26 AM
I know all that, u_crank. And some of the points, especially the overstretching argument, I have given myself often enough. Even more, I have been against any Western engagement in Syria, if you remember, whether American or European. Still, Trump is deceiving the public opinion when claiming that IS has been defeated. Its not even half-finished business. Its having helped to replace one horror with another. It was all started for wrong reasons, but this is what makes prematurely ending it now wrong once again.
Iraq: failure. Afghanistan failure. Now Syria:failure. The US seems to have the ambition to install itself as world champion of needless strategic defeats. All muscles, no brains.
In fact a fundamentalist organisation as horrific as Al Quaeda or IS is being established now - tolerated by the US, actively supported by US-"ally" Turkey.
Fan-tas-tic. :yeah:
Buddahaid
01-11-19, 11:16 AM
Not to worry. Trump will just fire the enemy for not doing what he wants.
u crank
01-11-19, 11:43 AM
Iraq: failure. Afghanistan failure. Now Syria:failure. The US seems to have the ambition to install itself as world champion of needless strategic defeats. All muscles, no brains.
It's a sad tale, but I agree completely. And I would add to that list Libya. The Neocon dream of bookending Iran by establishing Democratic states in Afghanistan and Iraq will go down as one of the great strategic mistakes in that region. Rather than contain Iran, the destabilizing of Iraq has increased their influence. Syria is a gift to Tehran as well.
One could almost be led to believe that this was the plan along. Pick a fight with Iran. War is big business.
American presence in Syria is a man standing at the edge of a rabbit hole. Yes ISIS still exists. But if Bashar al-Assad, Russia, Iranian-backed Shia militias from Iraq, Hezbollah, and various groups supported by Turkey can't defeat ISIS then what is the answer? A very large US military involvement would simply repeat previous mistakes. The answer in my opinion is to let these people solve their own problems and stop creating more problems.
We may not like the result but what is the chance that we would get a result that we would like. History so far says less than zero.
Mr Quatro
01-11-19, 01:22 PM
American presence in Syria is a man standing at the edge of a rabbit hole. Yes ISIS still exists. But if Bashar al-Assad, Russia, Iranian-backed Shia militias from Iraq, Hezbollah, and various groups supported by Turkey can't defeat ISIS then what is the answer?
Their frustration can be seen in the use of chemical weapons of warfare to harm and scare the people into surrender :yep:
ikalugin
01-11-19, 01:53 PM
A US policy maker once saying that in his view nuclear war can be won.
http://i67.tinypic.com/288rq78.png
http://i64.tinypic.com/5ezn0l.png
Interesting to see those historic views of the new US policy makers, Dr. Charles Kupperman, Bolton's new deputy national security advisor.
With this mindset getting to run the US policy DPRK and even PRC may consider expanding their detterrents.
Mr Quatro
01-11-19, 02:00 PM
A US policy maker once saying that in his view nuclear war can be won.
Interesting to see those historic views of the new US policy makers, Dr. Charles Kupperman, Bolton's new deputy national security advisor.
With this mindset getting to run the US policy DPRK and even PRC may consider expanding their detterrents.
Don't believe everything you hear ... just like the Chinese Admiral that thinks he could take out a couple of US Navy carriers and get away with it ... :o
not everyone of the China's military would agree with that statement.
The men or women that would have the US use nuclear weapons first are like all of the planes and ships of the Vietnam war era all put to rest in grave yards and can not be used anymore :up:
I believe that the Congresswoman from California's 12th Congressional district is in power and is currently the Speaker of the House.
Have at it.
My response is the same one I gave when I used to play in bands and during my brief stint as a DJ:
"I don't do requests..."... :D :haha:
As I said before (you should really read my posts more carefully before you comment on them GRIN), there are more than enough posters to take on Pelosi, et al, in this thread, so I don't feel any pressing need or urgency to pile on needlessly. I do understand that, lacking any reasonable, logical, or ethical means to even begin to, in even a minor fashion, defend Trump and his minions, that you feel the need to lash out at those who, while not even a part of the argument of Trump's fitness or suitability for office, so as to give what you believe is 'weight' to your arguments. What I find amusing is how the 'logic' of those arguments work; for example, someone points out Trump is a liar, so the Trumpettes' response is "So is Bill Clinton!!". Now what is one to make of this? Are the Trumpettes, who in the past expressed great moral outrage about Clinton's lie, now that Trump has made blatant lying a standard in the Oval Office, are they now saying lying is a good thing? If that's the case, then who cares if Clinton lies; why bring it up at all? Or, if they are taking a moral stand on Clinton lying, why aren't they equally or, given the massively blatant lies told by Trump, even more morally outraged at Trump? This applies to all the deflective finger pointing the Trumpettes do when they can't find an even barely reasonable way to defend Trump. Honestly, they remind me of one of a pair of kids who, when caught in a lie, flusters about and points to the other kid and says "He/she lied, before, too!" Fine, then, kids. You're both liars and, because you were the most recent, and blatant liar, you're the one who catches it this time...
Or as the saying goes, "Be grown up and own up"...
Regarding Pelosi's 'power', it doesn't really extend beyond the House; or did I miss where a House Speaker can declare, on their own initiative, a national emergency? Or how about issue an Executive order, or impose tariffs, or send troops out, or freeze Federal funds, or negotiate treaties, or call for a declaration of war, etc., etc., etc. In a contest of 'who's got the biggest', a House Speaker loses to a President any day. If the President sneezes, the country, and possibly, the world, catches the flu; if a House Speaker sneezes, a nose is wiped and the world carries on. No, in the great scheme of things, Pelosi may have a title, but her 'powers' do not even begin to approach the dangers of misuse of powers posed by an occupant of the Oval Office; and the fact there is so much danger in the misuse of Presidential powers is precisely why an occupant of the Oval is held to so much higher a standard and is subject to so much greater scrutiny, and it is why the Founding Fathers made freedom of the press, in order to give transparency and review of the machinations of the nation's leaders, among the very first concerns when writing the Constitution. There is an old saying about the purpose of the press is to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable. Trump was comfortable when he was in private life where his failings, misdeeds and criminality were hidden behind the thin gauze of 'celebrity' and the fact the vast majority of the people didn't really care about him; now under the direct light of scrutiny, he is no longer hidden and is certainly not comfortable any longer. He wanted the office and title but, as in so very many things he does or undertakes, he didn't really think through what would be the downsides. And I am more than comfortable with Trump suffering his own self-inflicted afflictions You know what they say: "Be careful of what you wish for..."...
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u crank
01-11-19, 04:50 PM
there are more than enough posters to take on Pelosi, et al, in this thread, so I don't feel any pressing need or urgency to pile on needlessly.
Ditto with the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd. That is why I find it totally unnecessary to criticize the current occupant of the WH. I wouldn't want to get run over just crossing the street.
Regarding Pelosi's 'power', it doesn't really extend beyond the House;
I don't recall saying that it did. But you will have to admit she has some power. What is going on in Washington right now kinda says that she does. She leads one of the chambers of the United States Congress. Most people would consider that a powerful position albeit different than the Presidency. Considering the fact that the House can bring articles of impeachment against the President I see it as a very powerful position. Congress can do things the President cannot and they can also stop him from doing things. Your description makes it sound like she is just collecting a paycheck.
Frankly I think you are dodging. If you don't want to criticize Pelosi because she is a Democrat just say so. I'll understand. I'm an understanding kinda guy.:D
Mr Quatro
01-11-19, 05:40 PM
Frankly I think you are dodging. If you don't want to criticize Pelosi because she is a Democrat just say so. I'll understand. I'm an understanding kinda guy.:D
Were not requesting anything vienna ... we just wonder what you think of the other anti-Trumpers ... Those two on the news all the time hate him and say they represent America.
I disagree they don't represent my views:yep:
Following the news here in Denmark, Sweden and a little in this thread
I can't decide which was best the old original series "Soap"
or
The new one "Soap in the White House"
Because for me it's nothing more than one big Soap episode.
Markus
Ditto with the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd. That is why I find it totally unnecessary to criticize the current occupant of the WH. I wouldn't want to get run over just crossing the street.
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Well, that's what happens when there are so few people who can in any way defend Trump; seems to be an endangered species, the Trumpettes, and steadily dwindling...
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I don't recall saying that it did. ...
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...and I didn't say you did. It seems to be a ploy of yours to respond to comments by implying you were misquoted when nothing of the kind happened. If I want to criticize or rebut something you actually said, rest assured I will post the quote in question. There is also another ploy you seem to favor where, if the word "you" is used in a generic sense, you attempt to make it seem the generic use was intended as a personal application towards yourself. Believe me, if someone says "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" the person so saying is neither urging you to be an equine escort nor to commenting on your skills in equine refreshment... :D
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But you will have to admit she has some power. What is going on in Washington right now kinda says that she does. She leads one of the chambers of the United States Congress. Most people would consider that a powerful position albeit different than the Presidency. Considering the fact that the House can bring articles of impeachment against the President I see it as a very powerful position. Congress can do things the President cannot and they can also stop him from doing things. Your description makes it sound like she is just collecting a paycheck.
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Oh, I never said she doesn't have power; "I don't recall saying" that she didn't... :03:
Meh. The House can bring Articles of Impeachment (really kind of scares you, doesn't it) as a unit, but Pelosi can't bring an impeachment as an individual; she can ask for a vote of the House, but, on her own, she has as much authority on that matter as any other House member. The House Speaker is pretty much a manager; the office mainly entails running herd over the day to day functions of the House as a whole while trying to advance the agenda of their party. Regardless of who is the Speaker, they still need to gather the votes to get what they want done, a task that, over recent years, has got harder and harder given internal party conflicts...
Your interpretation of my description is just that; your interpretation. "I don't recall saying" that she was just collecting a paycheck... :03:
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Frankly I think you are dodging. If you don't want to criticize Pelosi because she is a Democrat just say so. I'll understand. I'm an understanding kinda guy.:D
Again, just your interpretation, nothing more. I don't really care if Pelosi is a Dem anymore than it matters that Paul Ryan was GOP. I'm not at all a fan of Pelosi. The only reason she got the Speakership back is because she's a DEM rainmaker: she has a knack for raising very large sums for the DEM party and they were to afraid of losing those sources to stand up to her...
I don't have any party affiliations. I actually liked Paul Ryan and thought well of him and feel it is a shame he was caught up in the no-win situation he was dealt when Trump got in; its a further shame the GOP lost one of its better representatives when Ryan retired; I didn't always agree with him, but I respected his views and appreciated how the rock/hard-place situation was forced on him; remember, he didn't really want the job, but the GOP didn't have anyone else with credibility or gravitas to take the job. You know a party is in bad shape when they have to go nd beg some one to take what is usually considered to be a prestigious position. I was actually surprised he didn't quit earlier given the mess the House GOP was and still is...
As far as dodging is concerned, I have said everything in my posts straight and open, only filtering my temptation to engage in rather more 'descriptive' language. :haha: I say what I believe, free from partisan strictures or the need to try to justify others mistakes or wrongdoings. I will point out, when there seems to be a paucity of fact or lop-sided presentation of poli-gibberish, that there are another viewpoints and there are verifiable truths those who cannot bear to admit they are supporting a tissue of lies would rather not be revealed...
I don't dodge. But I would point out there are those who, rather than actually answering a question or refutation choose instead to play the dodge game of "Well, what about the Clintons/Obamas/DEMs, etc.". I say Trump is a well-documented liar, a well documented sleazy businessman, and a piss poor excuse for a president...
I now await your deflections and dodges. I have come to expect it; but don't worry: "I'll understand. I'm an understanding kinda guy." :03::D
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Were not requesting anything vienna ... we just wonder what you think of the other anti-Trumpers ... Those two on the news all the time hate him and say they represent America.
I disagree they don't represent my views:yep:
You want to know what I think of anti-Trumpers? My God, have you lot tapped out and already run out of ammunition? :D Its a pitiful thing when you've got to go begging for ammo from others. Well, you lot have dug your own hole... :haha:
Your views are your views and mine are mine. I am under no obligation to answer for what others say or do and their acts are their own responsibility. Responsibility. Good word that, and a good concept. Pity Trump and his minions and his Trumpettes have no knowledge of it...
Oh, and I don't do requests... :D
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u crank
01-11-19, 07:58 PM
I'm not at all a fan of Pelosi. The only reason she got the Speakership back is because she's a DEM rainmaker: she has a knack for raising very large sums for the DEM party and they were to afraid of losing those sources to stand up to her..
There, that wasn't so hard now was it. Thank you...I think.:O:
I don't have any party affiliations.
Neither do I.
As far as dodging is concerned, I have said everything in my posts straight and open, only filtering my temptation to engage in rather more 'descriptive' language. :haha:
Well....you do live in Hollywood don't you.:D
I say what I believe, free from partisan strictures or the need to try to justify others mistakes or wrongdoings. I will point out, when there seems to be a paucity of fact or lop-sided presentation of poli-gibberish, that there are another viewpoints and there are verifiable truths those who cannot bear to admit they are supporting a tissue of lies would rather not be revealed...
That is a nice sentiment but anybody on any side of any political argument or affiliation could and do say the same things. Political opinions are at their best usually somewhat partisan and at their worst hysterical. I think America will survive the Trump administration just fine. After all (and at the risk of being accused of whataboutism), it survived eight years of the Obama administration didn't it.
I've asked this question before and it went unanswered. Why is Donald Trump president? I'm no expert but I don't believe for a minute it was racism, Russian hacking or the likability of the other candidates in the primary or presidential election. People who refuse to recognize a palpable dissatisfaction amongst the electorate will make this same mistake again. Just looking at the list of potential Democrat prospects sends a shiver down my spine and makes my head ache. The poverty of ideas is staggering. The current trend to get to the Left of everybody else is a disaster in the making. The idea that a candidate's race and gender is on the table is suicide. It's gonna be entertaining.
Mr Quatro
01-11-19, 09:26 PM
There, that wasn't so hard now was it. Thank you...I think.:O:
I'm not ready to let this light weight on other anti-Trumps people go yet :D (see the smiley vienna)
I've asked this question before and it went unanswered. Why is Donald Trump president? I'm no expert but I don't believe for a minute it was racism, Russian hacking or the likability of the other candidates in the primary or presidential election.
Lots of other people wondered too and the polls said that the men and women that voted for Trump were mostly worried/concerned about the picks for the next Supreme Court would be in the hands of Hillary Clinton. :yep:
Buddahaid
01-11-19, 09:38 PM
And now we and the world are saddled with this charlatan named Trump. I'm now actually hoping he declares an emergency so we can end this farcical presidency as soon as possible. Maybe we could get a more rational person like Charlie Sheen in the oval office.
I think the Democrats are being extremely stupid by refusing to deal. They could be using Trumps desire for a wall to get all kinds of things that they want in return for a relatively tiny amount of money for border fencing. It really isn't a lot of money being asked for but I guess their hatred of Trump has blinded them to the possibilities. Fools. I hope it backfires on them and I think it just might. Nearly all of the big Dems, including Schumer, are on record advocating the very same border walls that they are now calling immoral, and if they think that hypocrisy is going to be lost on the American people they are idiots.
Against the Dems (in some cases videotaped) flip flop will be stacked an increasing number of Americans who are harmed and killed by illegal aliens. What happens when their survivors and their supporters organize and start protesting? Hey maybe they could take a page from the Dems own anti-Kavanaugh playbook and start confronting them about it in public? Seeing Pelosi or Feinstein or Warren get hounded out of a restaurant might be fun to watch for the pure karmic irony of it if nothing else.
It is simple common sense that defending a perimeter is made a lot easier by using physical barriers than trying to do it without them. The Dems are going to have an increasingly difficult time defending their position against the obvious because you cannot claim to be pro border security but be anti physical barrier without having your sincerity questioned.
Buddahaid
01-12-19, 01:32 AM
Perhaps, but I still don't think building the Maginot line type wall he wants is the best solution to border security and I won't support it. You can call it hating Trump if it makes you feel better, but I don't hate him, I just think he's unqualified for the job and proves it daily.
em2nought
01-12-19, 03:57 AM
It must be mighty inconvenient for the democrats when twenty-one people get butchered just south of the border.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/21-dead-bodies-found-in-mexican-border-town-the-result-of-drug-cartel-violence
u crank
01-12-19, 06:53 AM
Perhaps, but I still don't think building the Maginot line type wall he wants is the best solution to border security and I won't support it.
So what is the solution? Is there a solution? And more importantly are there people who do not want a solution?
Jimbuna
01-12-19, 07:46 AM
In the meantime the US partial government shutdown becomes the longest ever and a great many people are in need of money...
Trump says one day he will declare a national emergency then shortly thereafter he won't.....but he still may yet.
I'd like to see him make a decision one way or the other or as is often said here in the UK, pee or get off the pot.
What a mess :nope:
Platapus
01-12-19, 10:04 AM
So what is the solution? Is there a solution? And more importantly are there people who do not want a solution?
1. Fixing our antiquated visa accounting procedure would be a good start
2. Making an investment to increase the handling and prosecuting of people who either enter illegally or stay illegally
3. Increase the penalties and increase the prosecution of US employers who employ illegal aliens in violation of employment laws
None of which involve a wall.
The problem is that Trump is focused on one solution instead of focusing on solving the problem. This exhibits a lack of critical thinking.
Making it harder to live as illegal would work too.
I know you guys hate being in databases etc. and I'm not saying this is the answer, but in Finland for example you can't get anything done without needing to prove your ID with a social security number.
...the Trump tweet from today concerning the FBI and NYT.
"The corupt former leaders of the FBI, almost all fired..." lol. Seriously, I do not know how anybody can think that this man is appropriate for his office.
The whole world around him is corrupt and bad but of crs he is the angel in person, the real estate shark, lol
em2nought
01-12-19, 12:52 PM
Seriously, I do not know how anybody can think that this man is appropriate for his office.
He's the first man appropriate for his office since Ronald Reagan. :03:
Mr Quatro
01-12-19, 01:38 PM
Increase the penalties and increase the prosecution of US employers who employ illegal aliens in violation of employment laws
Put a wall around Chicago :D
u crank
01-12-19, 02:42 PM
"The corupt former leaders of the FBI, almost all fired..." lol. Seriously, I do not know how anybody can think that this man is appropriate for his office.
Hmmm... when Donald Trump became President the Director of the FBI was James Comey and the Deputy Director was Andrew McCabe. Comey was fired by Trump on the recommendation of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. McCabe was fired by Ag Jeff Sessions on the recommendation of the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility, citing the inspector general's conclusions. McCabe lied under oath to federal investigators.
Perhaps Trump should not have tweeted that but what he was said is true. The top two guys were fired.
Buddahaid
01-12-19, 04:52 PM
He's the first man appropriate for his office since Ronald Reagan. :03:
I'd take Reagan over the clown any day.
I'd take Reagan over the clown any day.
There's many I would take over this clown but not a one of them are in politics.
A thought
A person may like or dislike an American President.
Is this based on personal belief/standpoint or knowledge ?
Or both ?
Markus
...the Trump tweet from today concerning the FBI and NYT.
"The corupt former leaders of the FBI, almost all fired..." lol. Seriously, I do not know how anybody can think that this man is appropriate for his office.
The whole world around him is corrupt and bad but of crs he is the angel in person, the real estate shark, lol
Well the Democrats and a goodly amount of his own party leadership do seem willing to do just about anything to bring him down so maybe a little defensiveness is understandable.
It's becoming increasingly evident that the leadership of the Obama FBI and DOJ conspired to effect the outcome of the 2016 presidential election, then when that failed they tried to overturn it's result. Seriously, I do not know how anybody can fail to get upset over by such an enormous abuse of power that makes Watergate seem insignificant by comparison.
Thing is the faults and failings of Donald Trump are well known by everyone including his supporters, but in spite of them he was still elected to stymie and break up the political establishments stranglehold on our government. In that he has made some progress.
Platapus
01-13-19, 10:44 AM
A thought
A person may like or dislike an American President.
Is this based on personal belief/standpoint or knowledge ?
Or both ?
Markus
Yes
And probably a multitude of other things
u crank
01-13-19, 11:18 AM
It's becoming increasingly evident that the leadership of the Obama FBI and DOJ conspired to effect the outcome of the 2016 presidential election, then when that failed they tried to overturn it's result. Seriously, I do not know how anybody can fail to get upset over by such an enormous abuse of power that makes Watergate seem insignificant by comparison.
Hopefully someday the full account will come out. There is already enough known now to make it worthy of a full court press by the media. Their lack of interest is surprising. I guess there are no Woodward and Bernsteins among the enlightened left wing media of this age.
And will any of these people be held accountable? Don't hold your breath.
Skybird
01-13-19, 04:08 PM
Former WH communication mastermind Anthony Scaramucci to enter Big Brother House show.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/celebrity-big-brother-cast-revealed-ryan-lochte-anthony-scaramucci-dina-lohan-more-1175684
I thought he already was in the show but got fired?
Why can't we get Miss Bikini as US foreign minister and the last winner of the national wet T-Shirt contest as WH chief of staff ?
Rockstar
01-13-19, 06:10 PM
Well, there's Kirsten Gillibrand who Harry Reid called the 'hottest' member in the senate. I bet she has a male chauffeur too.
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/d58e87a4d6e851c6a74a0e5c58ae41cb132fcdcf/c=0-27-445-620&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/Rochester/2015/04/15/B9316997582Z.1_20150415193004_000_GP1AH27K2.1-0.jpg
Rockstar
01-13-19, 06:13 PM
Hey we're page 420, spark it up! :yeah:
Hopefully someday the full account will come out. There is already enough known now to make it worthy of a full court press by the media. Their lack of interest is surprising. I guess there are no Woodward and Bernsteins among the enlightened left wing media of this age.
And will any of these people be held accountable? Don't hold your breath.
At least they have been exposed. We'd never have heard of any of this if Clinton had won.
Mr Quatro
01-14-19, 11:44 AM
The media's fondness for reporting early results could cause a slight problem :yep:
https://www.al.com/news/2019/01/california-takes-over-super-tuesday-stealing-spotlight-from-alabama-and-others.html
California takes over Super Tuesday, stealing spotlight from Alabama and others
California’s push to rejoin the Super Tuesday fray – as well as a possible lack of a GOP contest, some political experts are unsure if Alabama will continue as a national focus.
Indeed, political prognosticators believe California’s push to be included on the March 3, 2020, primary date will eat into the campaigning that will take place in Iowa and New Hampshire, which are historically the first-in-the-nation nominating contests.
Early voting in California’s primary will overlap the Iowa caucuses (Feb. 3, 2020) and the New Hampshire primary (Feb. 11, 2020).
ikalugin
01-14-19, 11:45 AM
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html?gtm=bottom>m=top
Good old memes.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/432595736035852288/534414020221075459/unknown.png?width=852&height=505
Interestingly one of the men on this chart is my next door neighbour.
Does this mean that I have participated in the Trump-Russia collusion scheme?
u crank
01-14-19, 02:41 PM
Does this mean that I have participated in the Trump-Russia collusion scheme?
Do you now or have you ever had in your possession any emails belonging to one H.R. Clinton?:D
ikalugin
01-14-19, 03:19 PM
Do you now or have you ever had in your possession any emails belonging to one H.R. Clinton?:D
Lazy people like me tend to read summaries rather than the original texts or trascripts.
At least they have been exposed. We'd never have heard of any of this if Clinton had won.
Do you or u_crank have any sources/evidence? Kinda interested to read/see it.
So Trump have, according to some source, been working with or for Russia before he became President. Heard this on the news earlier today.
As an non-American I couldn't care less.
If it's true, it's up the American Federal-stuff to deal with this and eventually prosecute Mr. Trump.
If it's not, then those who have come forward with those accusation should give an public excuse to Mr. Trump.
That's my opinion.
Markus
Mr Quatro
01-14-19, 06:03 PM
So Trump have, according to some source, been working with or for Russia before he became President. Heard this on the news earlier today.
As an non-American I couldn't care less.
If it's true, it's up the American Federal-stuff to deal with this and eventually prosecute Mr. Trump.
If it's not, then those who have come forward with those accusation should give an public excuse to Mr. Trump.
That's my opinion.
Markus
You can't not trust the news one day and then up and decide to trust the news the next day :hmmm:
u crank
01-14-19, 06:50 PM
Do you or u_crank have any sources/evidence? Kinda interested to read/see it.
Here are three articles about the latest stuff to come out. Supposed bombshell reports in the New York Times and the Washington Post. These three writers look at those articles which are about the FBI launching their probe on Trump. Yes two of them are from Fox News but Mark Penn was chief strategist on Bill Clinton’s 1996 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign, and Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mark-penn-fbi-trump-russia-investigation-shows-deep-state-was-worse-than-we-thought
http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/14/nyt-reveals-fbi-retaliated-against-trump-for-comey-firing/
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-an-fbi-that-is-corrupt-and-dishonest-latest-reports-offer-only-more-proof
Do you now or have you ever had in your possession any emails belonging to one H.R. Clinton?:D
You mean the ones that she tried to destroy? The ones that she knew were under congressional subpoena before she destroyed them? :)
Mr Quatro
01-14-19, 07:19 PM
You mean the ones that she tried to destroy? The ones that she knew were under congressional subpoena before she destroyed them? :)
or the ones they will never see because:
https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/hillary-clinton-email-timeline/index.html
March 5, 2015 -- It is revealed that Clinton isn't publicly registered as the owner of the domain and server used to operate her personal email. This makes it more difficult to trace the account back to her. Accounts were registered in her aides' names, and she used a proxy company to shield her involvement.
or the ones they will never see because:
https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/hillary-clinton-email-timeline/index.html
:) Yeah but that's not obstruction, nosiree!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States (and more or less in all other nations also)
No, I am not a socialist but maybe some folks will realize before the end of the universum that this is a major root cause of the current problems in the West.
em2nought
01-15-19, 04:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States (and more or less in all other nations also)
No, I am not a socialist but maybe some folks will realize before the end of the universum that this is a major root cause of the current problems in the West.
The lowliest American peon if he/she/it/whatever is at least willing to work at something they can live better lives than kings of old as long as they don't make stupid decisions.
Take my sister for example. She was looking at mobile home listings recently. I pointed out that if she bought in a 55+ park where you own the share of the land you're parked on you only owe an HOA fee each month which is around $120 and covers most everything except electricity. Instead she was more interested in the mobile homes in the 55+ parks where you pay rent of $600 a month and don't own the land you're parked on. This is the same woman who can go to Kohl's and make $25 into $75 in purchases with coupons so I don't see why she doesn't get "it" on the bigger numbers. People are stupid, that's the real problem. :03:
Bilge_Rat
01-16-19, 10:18 AM
Interestingly one of the men on this chart is my next door neighbour.
Does this mean that I have participated in the Trump-Russia collusion scheme?
yes, that is enough proof of "collusion" as far as the Trump-haters are concerned. :haha:
ikalugin
01-16-19, 12:08 PM
yes, that is enough proof of "collusion" as far as the Trump-haters are concerned. :haha:
Can I now brag about how I have elected POTUS and by extension own America?
Bleiente
01-16-19, 02:52 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States (and more or less in all other nations also)
No, I am not a socialist but maybe some folks will realize before the end of the universum that this is a major root cause of the current problems in the West.
Absolutely right, but stupidity is very common among (even educated) people. :03:
:Kaleun_Salute:
u crank
01-16-19, 03:36 PM
No, I am not a socialist but maybe some folks will realize before the end of the universum that this is a major root cause of the current problems in the West.
Absolutely right, but stupidity is very common among (even educated) people. :03:
Any suggestions?
ikalugin
01-17-19, 11:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzSKnxEHb3g
And so MDR is being (finally) released.
https://www.defense.gov/Experience/2019-Missile-Defense-Review/
Would be interesting to how it goes :)
Because it appears that the US missile defense is a key component for the US dammage limitation strategy.
Pelosi: "Mr President don't make your State of the Union address because the government is shut down."
Trump: "Madam Speaker, you can't use USAF aircraft for your taxpayer boondoggle trip to Brussels because the government is shut down."
:har:
Buddahaid
01-17-19, 06:42 PM
The Punch and Judy Show.
Apparently according to the law just a few more days and some of those furloughed federal workers can be laid off permanently.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/trumps_shutdown_trap.html?fbclid=IwAR1zDmy5nzexkde MPArZUHPhdHKgLKOtcvzoVqENSepuf5M4p3rPhlM6DdI#.XEC6 A1EK1oI.facebook
Platapus
01-17-19, 07:16 PM
We have a petulant child as president. :nope:
Mr Quatro
01-17-19, 07:21 PM
President Reagan did it back when the flight controllers went on strike.
Fired them that is ... I know this is different, but a great way to leagaly reduce the work force.
Catfish
01-18-19, 03:21 AM
We have a petulant child as president. :nope:
Trump as a child.. I WANT MY WALL!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5njRIkWKkk
You better had used those..
ikalugin
01-18-19, 05:22 AM
Missile defense isn’t (generally) about deterring others from unprovoked attacks on US homeland. It’s mostly about securing for US a less restrained ability to bomb, invade, & coerce as we wish.
-Martin Pfeiffer.
We have a petulant child as president. :nope:And his base is loving it.
Jimbuna
01-18-19, 07:08 AM
Should those lay offs take place would it be viewed positively or negatively by the American public?
Rockstar
01-18-19, 07:39 AM
Looks like I'll not be getting paid at the end of the month. Thankfully I dont live pay check to pay check.
Rockstar
01-18-19, 08:30 AM
Apparently according to the law just a few more days and some of those furloughed federal workers can be laid off permanently.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/trumps_shutdown_trap.html?fbclid=IwAR1zDmy5nzexkde MPArZUHPhdHKgLKOtcvzoVqENSepuf5M4p3rPhlM6DdI#.XEC6 A1EK1oI.facebook
Interesting, I read some-where the trump administration was prepared to extend the shut down to the end of February. Which immediately made me wonder, if it is all about the border wall why would they suggest an end date to the shut down? The article you linked may have just answered that question. :hmmm:
em2nought
01-18-19, 08:40 AM
Should those lay offs take place would it be viewed positively or negatively by the American public?
POTUS being forced by Nancy Pelosi to reduce the size of the federal government is like a fiscal conservative's wet dream come true! :D
Do it! :up: He should cancel the Super Bowl for security reasons amid the shutdown as well! :har:
POTUS should also add that "if" he does fill those positions again he will be looking toward the military and veterans as the first source of new hires. :salute: Make the deep state shallow!
ikalugin
01-18-19, 09:52 AM
Well, porn hub visits during working hours grew, makes one wonder what all those USG employees are doing with their time.
Rockstar
01-18-19, 11:02 AM
Should those lay offs take place would it be viewed positively or negatively by the American public?
I think the public only cares to know what their favorite news outlet tells them. Unless they are directly affected by the shut down I doubt they fully understand or care. For many I fear its about the party and little else. As this article suggests it may take a catastrophe for a solution. But for now the public's daily dose of drama lies elsewhere. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/capitol-hill-aides-wait-disaster-end-shutdown/580639/
I've been a gub'nt employee most of my life. Having been in the U.S.C.G. you get pretty good pay and benefits, but you earn every freaking dime of it. When I worked as a national park ranger I saw quite a few (not all) people just milling about smartly pay check to pay check inventing ways to make themselves indispensable.
I am impacted by this shutdown in that I may not receive "reduced pay for reduced services" a.k.a. the military retirement at the end of this month. Will it hurt? Yes, as I included that money in life's decisions. But I also know it isn't a right but like anything dealing with the military only a privilege to receive one. I invest and save for such occasions but even that cant last forever.
I think EVERY elected official involved in this shut down boondoggle should remain at their job WITHOUT pay and benefits until this is resolved. And if layoffs are a motive behind this Id like them to find a better way than punishing everyone to fire few.
Skybird
01-18-19, 02:18 PM
Russia takes model that made collusion claims against Trump out of the game.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46922420
It was a dumb idea by her to book a flight that crossed Russian or Russian-allied territory with a stop on ground in there. I fear she now will disappear from free life for as long as it might be found opportune - for one reason or the other.
If she even lives to tell.
Mr Quatro
01-18-19, 03:08 PM
I think the public only cares to know what their favorite news outlet tells them. Unless they are directly affected by the shut down I doubt they fully understand or care. For many I fear its about the party and little else.
So true, but in their defense they are for the most part too busy with work and home life and cell phones etc etc :up:
-Martin Pfeiffer.
You're quoting this guy? :haha:
Martin “#LickTheBomb” Pfeiffer
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Russia takes model that made collusion claims against Trump out of the game.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46922420
It was a dumb idea by her to book a flight that crossed Russian or Russian-allied territory with a stop on ground in there. I fear she now will disappear from free life for as long as it might be found opportune - for one reason or the other.
If she even lives to tell.
...Rybka and three others detained with her at Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport are accused of "luring into prostitution and practising it". The crime can be punished with up to six years' jail.
Among the four held is Alexander Kirillov, a Belarusian self-styled sex guru, who was in custody with her in Thailand.They spent nine months in custody before a Thai court handed them a suspended 18-month sentence for soliciting and running an illegal "sex training course". Thailand deported them on Thursday, taking account of their time spent in custody.
They and five others - both Belarusians and Russians - pleaded guilty, after which they were deported.
Some source you got there.
Onkel Neal
01-19-19, 04:09 PM
Trump getting set to cave to the Dems?
Skybird
01-19-19, 04:57 PM
Some source you got there.
Please. Its not polite to tell somebody to his face that you think he is rightout dumb and stupid. I would assume not even you to believe this nonsense alibi story to be the real motive. :03: You could as well tell me the little green men in the Crimean operation were no Russians because they wore no Russian emblems on their unioforms.
Lets not be that naive.
Rockstar
01-19-19, 05:23 PM
Trump getting set to cave to the Dems?
Appears he just tossed the hot potato back at them.
I hope both parties use this as an opportunity to start talking instead of digging in with the extremist view of all or nothing. It might help too if Chuck U. Schumer bumped off that hag Pelosi from her pedestal. The idea of someone from California calling a wall immoral is one of the most idiotic and hypocritical things I've heard. Ever look at California's border with Mexico on Google Earth? It's practically one long physical wall aaaand it works.
Catfish
01-19-19, 05:24 PM
^^
BBC is fake news ! Should have quoted Breitbart, Fox News and the American Thinker !
ikalugin
01-19-19, 07:36 PM
Please. Its not polite to tell somebody to his face that you think he is rightout dumb and stupid. I would assume not even you to believe this nonsense alibi story to be the real motive. :03: You could as well tell me the little green men in the Crimean operation were no Russians because they wore no Russian emblems on their unioforms.
Lets not be that naive.
Or maybe a dubious person is trying to use the current political climate to paint themselves a martyr.
Please. Its not polite to tell somebody to his face that you think he is rightout dumb and stupid. I would assume not even you to believe this nonsense alibi story to be the real motive. :03: You could as well tell me the little green men in the Crimean operation were no Russians because they wore no Russian emblems on their unioforms.
Lets not be that naive.
I don't know one way or the other Skybird but before I start believing that she was "taken out of the game" as you claim I would like to know how some floozy who spent 18 months in a Thai jail (apparently out of Putins reach) could possibly come into possession of such bomb shell information.
Jimbuna
01-20-19, 07:53 AM
^^
BBC is fake news ! Should have quoted Breitbart, Fox News and the American Thinker !
Aye :yep:
Aye :yep:
Oh aye, but no answer to the question I note.
em2nought
01-20-19, 04:04 PM
I would like to know how some floozy who spent 18 months in a Thai jail (apparently out of Putins reach) could possibly come into possession of such bomb shell information.
You have to admit she is WAY cuter than Stormy Daniels. :D
https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/locked%20up.JPG?itok=OH_O4iUq
Rockstar
01-20-19, 05:15 PM
...I would like to know how some floozy who spent 18 months in a Thai jail (apparently out of Putins reach) could possibly come into possession of such bomb shell information.
Would you believe Putin uses a magical bust of Stalin to channel his mind control rays that make people do his bidding?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Get_Smart-Cone-of-silence.jpg
ikalugin
01-20-19, 05:46 PM
Would you believe Putin uses a magical bust of Stalin to channel his mind control rays that make people do his bidding?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Get_Smart-Cone-of-silence.jpg
Well that is what the modern (Western) cult of personality implies.
Platapus
01-20-19, 05:52 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Get_Smart-Cone-of-silence.jpg
Good photograph of Scott Pruitt's office in the EPA. :up:
Rockstar
01-20-19, 06:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=_4A9Wap4D6Y
https://media.giphy.com/media/RBeddeaQ5Xo0E/giphy.gif
Rockstar, that has to be the most ignorant speech by Trump yet,lol Can hardly wait to see what he and Hannity come up with next!:D
https://i.postimg.cc/BnrHQTgf/Spanky.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Rockstar
01-20-19, 07:23 PM
Rockstar, that has to be the most ignorant speech by Trump yet,lol Can hardly wait to see what he and Hannity come up with next!:D
When Platapus mentioned Scott Pruitt's office I was wondering who his advisor was with the intent of making a snarky comment. When I couldn't find out who that was. I wondered about who was advising the President and came across the Hannity Dobbs vid.
Jimbuna
01-21-19, 05:00 AM
Oh aye, but no answer to the question I note.
I find the BBC a far more credible source than those mentioned by Catfish.
Not feeling the love here :hmmm:
When Platapus mentioned Scott Pruitt's office I was wondering who his advisor was with the intent of making a snarky comment. When I couldn't find out who that was. I wondered about who was advising the President and came across the Hannity Dobbs vid.Trump has been increasingly echoing Fox News talking points in the past year or so. I'm not sure how many decisions he makes anymore without consulting Fox News directly or indirectly. :doh:
In other news, Trump's star lawyer (Giuliani) continues to inadvertently sabotage their own defense by sort of confirming BuzzfeedNews' report of Trump asking Cohen to lie under oath, even after the Special Council released a rare statement saying the BfN report is not "completely accurate". :haha:
u crank
01-21-19, 07:30 AM
^^
BBC is fake news ! Should have quoted Breitbart, Fox News and the American Thinker !
The left wing news media in the USA is rapidly losing its credibility. The list of their 'fake news' is long and growing. Here is Glenn Greenwald's top ten list with some honorable mentions. And these 'tales' just relate to the Russia/Trump story.
All news articles should now begin with the disclaimer, 'this story if true....'
Beyond BuzzFeed: The 10 Worst, Most Embarrassing U.S. Media Failures on the Trump/Russia Story
As I’ve said many times, the U.S. media has become quite adept at expressing extreme indignation when people criticize them; when politicians conclude that it is advantageous to turn the U.S. media into their main adversary; and when people turn to “fake news” sites.
If, however, they were willing to devote just a small fraction of that energy to examining their own conduct, perhaps they would develop the tools necessary to combat those problems instead of just denouncing their critics and angrily demanding that politicians and news consumers accord them the respect to which they believe they are entitled.
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/
All news articles should now begin with the disclaimer, 'this story if true....'
I think The following quote would be more Accurate :D
“The following story is fictional and does not depict any actual person or event.”
Catfish
01-21-19, 08:24 AM
^ oh i would not say "left" (whatever you think that is, i guess all that is not Trump course?) media are losing credibility, i would just say anyone representing an opinion diverting from the grand master is either maligned, fired or threatened to shut up.
Any neutral or common-sensed media are now challenged by people who absolutely know they are right, refuse to think critically, and have no idea of proper journalistic research.
You know like those people back then, when they came to power by brute force scrapping up any critics, suddenly smelling their chance to payback any perceived injustice to those envied 'elitists'.
Regarding Fox News, Breitbart or American Thinker the term "fake news" was created for them. That Trump stole it and tries to badmouth anything who dares to deviate from his absolute dogma does not mean that the rest of the world believes him, or his obsequious and uncritical reporting media.
The three mentioned have no credibilty, and never had. Not in the eyes of the world, thank god.
The three mentioned have no credibilty, and never had. Not in the eyes of the world, thank god.Yep, this is true. Come to think of it, it has become a rarity for even our tabloid papers to cite news from Fox News. :hmmm:
As for "fake news" and which "side" pushes more of them, perhaps a better comparison would be any single "left" media v any single "right" media instead of a top ten list from the past 2 years. Say, WaPo or CNN aganst Fox News. I would be willing to bet thet Fox News comes on top with most false stories published (and probably least amount of stories corrected/retracted as well).
Catfish
01-21-19, 08:44 AM
There is a long tradition in Republican politics of seeking to discredit journalism. You can paint it in any colour and opinion, but since Trump and Bannon, the right wing goal is “The full destruction and elimination of the entire mainstream media.”, and replace it.
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/right-wing-media-breitbart-fox-bannon-carlson-hannity-coulter-trump.php/
u crank
01-21-19, 09:29 AM
^ oh i would not say "left" (whatever you think that is, i guess all that is not Trump course?) media are losing credibility, i would just say anyone representing an opinion diverting from the grand master is either maligned, fired or threatened to shut up.
Can you give any examples of that in any of the MSM outlets in the USA?
Any neutral or common-sensed media are now challenged by people who absolutely know they are right, refuse to think critically, and have no idea of proper journalistic research.
Did you read Greenwald's article? Are you putting him in that category? Are you saying that certain media outlets are above criticism?
Regarding Fox News, Breitbart or American Thinker the term "fake news" was created for them. That Trump stole it and tries to badmouth anything who dares to deviate from his absolute dogma does not mean that the rest of the world believes him, or his obsequious and uncritical reporting media.
Fake news is fake news. The fact that highly regarded outlets like CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and the Washington Post are now presenting articles without properly vetting them shows their anti Trump bias. The items Greenwald listed were all presented in the most serious manner only to fall apart when all the facts were made known. If that is not 'fake news' I don't know what is. And more importantly it is bad journalism and a complete lack of self awareness and admission of their political prejudice.
As for "fake news" and which "side" pushes more of them, perhaps a better comparison would be any single "left" media v any single "right" media instead of a top ten list from the past 2 years. Say, WaPo or CNN aganst Fox News. I would be willing to bet thet Fox News comes on top with most false stories published (and probably least amount of stories corrected/retracted as well).
Well if you can find any examples that are as ridiculously wrong as the ones that Greenwald cited I love to hear them. I'll wait.
Well if you can find any examples that are as ridiculously wrong as the ones that Greenwald cited I love to hear them. I'll wait.The Seth Rich conspiracy theory pushed by Fox News comes to mind.
u crank
01-21-19, 10:48 AM
The Seth Rich conspiracy theory pushed by Fox News comes to mind.
That's one.
I'm not an advocate of Fox News. What disturbs me is the idea that there are major news networks and publications that are beyond reproach. And we see quite clearly that they are not.
Rockstar
01-21-19, 10:54 AM
Trump has been increasingly echoing Fox News talking points in the past year or so. I'm not sure how many decisions he makes anymore without consulting Fox News directly or indirectly. :doh:
It's unfortunate but they and we all do it.
I find the BBC a far more credible source than those mentioned by Catfish.
Not feeling the love here :hmmm:
The question I had was not about the BBC but rather the subject of their reporting. However since you mention it they are not above sensationalizing stories either, especially when it's to dig at Trump or Americans in general so forgive me if I don't accept what they say without question.
I mean don't you find it the least bit strange that for 18 months the Russians could not touch this girl just because she was in a Thai jail, in spite of her apparently possessing such enormously damaging information like proof of collusion? The regime that can run down and dispatch their victims with exotic radioactive poisons was forced to wait until she entered their territory before they pounced and then no quiet disappearance but a public arrest that now has to be justified?
It just doesn't add up, but hey it's Trump right?
Fake news is fake news. The fact that highly regarded outlets like CNN, MSNBC, the NYT and the Washington Post are now presenting articles without properly vetting them shows their anti Trump bias. The items Greenwald listed were all presented in the most serious manner only to fall apart when all the facts were made known. If that is not 'fake news' I don't know what is. And more importantly it is bad journalism and a complete lack of self awareness and admission of their political prejudice.
It seems they actually believe once they dispatch Trump that they are going to be able to recover their lost reputation of fairness. That is gone forever for at least half the nation. I also think Ted Koppel was right. CNNs ratings (and the rest of them too) would be in the toilet without Trump to rail against. There is no leaving that train now.
BTW since we are talking about the medias tattered reputation there is the story about the Catholic kids with the MAGA hats supposedly "harassing" an elderly Indian veteran during the mostly media ignored pro-life rally.
Turns out the guy and his troop of activists pushed themselves into the group of kids in order to provoke a reaction so they could create a bit of propaganda film to be gleefully reported by CNN and NBC.
Bleiente
01-21-19, 01:01 PM
Yes @August - You alone are right.
Trump is the kind and compassionate God, and the others who can think and see are demons from hell... :har:
I hope you will one day be rewarded for your "loyalty". :D
:Kaleun_Cheers:
And then there's Bleiente.
I'm guessing there are more than a few here that see this as ok seeing as it was against Trump supporters but not everyone is so blind:
The Media Wildly Mischaracterized That Video of Covington Catholic Students Confronting a Native American Veteran
Partial video footage of students from a Catholic high school allegedly harassing a Native American veteran after the anti-abortion March for Life rally in Washington, D.C., over the weekend quickly went viral, provoking widespread condemnation of the kids on social media. Various media figures and Twitter users called for them to be doxed, shamed, or otherwise punished, and school administrators said they would consider expulsion. But the rest of the video—nearly two hours of additional footage showing what happened before and after the encounter—adds important context that strongly contradicts the media's narrative.
Far from engaging in racially motivated harassment, the group of mostly white, MAGA-hat-wearing male teenagers remained relatively calm and restrained despite being subjected to incessant racist, homophobic, and bigoted verbal abuse by members of the bizarre religious sect Black Hebrew Israelites, who were lurking nearby. The BHI has existed since the late 19th century, and is best describes as a black nationalist cult movement; its members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites, and often express condemnation of white people, Christians, and gays. DC-area Black Hebrews are known to spout particularly vile bigotry.
Phillips put himself between the teens and the black nationalists, chanting and drumming as he marched straight into the middle of the group of young people. What followed was several minutes of confusion: The teens couldn't quite decide whether Phillips was on their side or not, but tentatively joined in his chanting. It's not at all clear this was intended as an act of mockery rather than solidarity.
One student did not get out of Phillips way as he marched, and gave the man a hard stare and a smile that many have described as creepy. This moment received the most media coverage: The teen has been called the product of a "hate factory" and likened to a school shooter, segregation-era racist, and member of the Ku Klux Klan. I have no idea what he was thinking, but portraying this as an example of obvious, racially-motivated hate is a stretch. Maybe he simply had no idea why this man was drumming in his face, and couldn't quite figure out the best response? It bears repeating that Phillips approached him, not the other way around.
And that's all there is to it. Phillips walked away after several minutes, the Black Hebrew Israelites continued to insult the crowd, and nothing else happened.
https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video
Bleiente
01-21-19, 02:39 PM
@August
Do you actually notice that you are a stupid joke with your ambitions?!? :03:
:har:
@August, both CNN and NBC have followed up the story with the further developments.
@August, both CNN and NBC have followed up the story with the further developments.
Yeah buried on the back page, maybe. They scream out the initial story to get nuts like the one mentioned below going but then whisper the "correction" later on once the damage is done.
Comedian Kathy Griffin, among others, tweeted out photos of students at Covington Catholic High School smiling and standing in front of a Native American man banging a drum during the Indigenous Peoples March.
“Name these kids. I want NAMES. Shame them,” Griffin tweeted Saturday. “If you think these (expletive) wouldn’t dox you in a heartbeat, think again.”
Twitter followers quickly identified several students seen on video, leading to online threats and public shaming. The students have denied any malicious intent during the confrontation. Initial news reports fingered the high school students — in D.C. for Friday's March for Life — but video that emerged later suggested the Native American man and others present helped instigate the episode
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-jr-calls-on-twitter-to-ban-kathy-griffin-calling-for-doxxing-of-teens
Yeah buried on the back page, maybe.
Front page on both CNN and NBC News. ;)
Bleiente
01-21-19, 04:56 PM
He (August) winds like a worm... :haha:
It sticks with it - Trump is a traitor, racist, demagogue and cheater!
This fact has long been proven. :03:
u crank
01-21-19, 05:06 PM
Front page on both CNN and NBC News. ;)
Yes and of course they should. The incident once again shows the MSM's all to predictable response when Trump or his supporters are involved. If it reflects badly on Trump, get the story out and worry about accuracy later. It begins to have an effect. I gotta say my first reaction to the Buzzfeed story was skepticism. Question is will they change their ways?
em2nought
01-21-19, 05:56 PM
Can't even trust the mainstream media weather reporting :har:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyZdDQY37Sg
Even the most ignorant news channel on the planet can't get it right, Fox news!! Talk about BS and so called double standards, right em2nought :har::har:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox-news-apologizes-for-graphic-suggesting-the-death-of-ruth-bader-ginsburg/ar-BBSxzEI
I doubt he could build it, its for kids ages 4 and up. Way above his IQ,lol
https://i.postimg.cc/7ZmyBYQC/49202934-10157119162411600-4321625616840392704-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Front page on both CNN and NBC News. ;)
Hardly.
It was the very first news story on CNN when I replied to you two hours ago. It is also still very clearly there on CNN google search (https://i.imgur.com/5F4aqk3.png).
em2nought
01-21-19, 07:18 PM
Even the most ignorant news channel on the planet can't get it right, Fox news!! Talk about BS and so called double standards, right em2nought :har::har:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox-news-apologizes-for-graphic-suggesting-the-death-of-ruth-bader-ginsburg/ar-BBSxzEI
I think they were trolling. :03: The Disney animatronic RBG is probably just about ready.
Skybird
01-22-19, 09:10 AM
I don't know one way or the other Skybird but before I start believing that she was "taken out of the game" as you claim I would like to know how some floozy who spent 18 months in a Thai jail (apparently out of Putins reach) could possibly come into possession of such bomb shell information.
I take it that she acted on order of the Russian intelligence service.
Platapus
01-22-19, 05:00 PM
I doubt he could build it, its for kids ages 4 and up. Way above his IQ,lol
https://i.postimg.cc/7ZmyBYQC/49202934-10157119162411600-4321625616840392704-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
It took me a second to see the ladder. :D
em2nought
01-22-19, 05:42 PM
It took me a second to see the ladder. :D
The mainstream media would much prefer boys play dress up. :D
https://www.lifesitenews.com/images/made/images/local/lactatia_drag_kid_(1)_810_500_75_s_c1.jpg
Jimbuna
01-23-19, 09:48 AM
It took me a second to see the ladder. :D
:haha:
Well, the shut down is over for now, hopefully we'll see if they can work something out over border security.
em2nought
01-25-19, 05:57 PM
Well, the shut down is over for now, hopefully we'll see if they can work something out over border security.
Highly doubtful, I think the democrats have figured out that if nothing gets done nobody will be voting for republicans ever again. Too bad the republicans didn't figure that out about six months ago. :loser:
Mr Quatro
01-25-19, 08:22 PM
CNN's first words were "Trump caved in", but I think Trump is a wheeler dealer and a sharp con man salesman that is up to something knowing full well that he is dealing with a woman psychopath that hates Trump and loves power.
Pelosi said not one dollar for the wall and she means it ... Trump may very well call this a National emergency if the democrat's don't come up with a solution. He doesn't have to have the whole 5.7 billion dollars all at once. He has already said he hopes to work out a friendly solution of a yearly budget for the wall.
I still think Trump will win in 2020 no matter who runs against him and then turn the WH over to VP Mike Pence (why is yet to be determined) :yep:
PS Glad Platapus and the other gov employees are going to finally get paid ... Maybe they will learn to keep a couple of paychecks in the savings account from now on.
Buddahaid
01-25-19, 08:24 PM
You surprise me but that works both ways. I'm going to say this shut down was huge, biggest ever, just to be mean, but did Trump just blink, or have I missed something?
Sailor Steve
01-25-19, 10:13 PM
…I think Trump is a wheeler dealer and a sharp con man...Pelosi said not one dollar for the wall and she means it...
Trump may very well have just aced this. No matter what the President promises, it is Congress that holds the purse strings. Trump lets the shutdown go. Pelosi says no money. Suddenly the situation is that Trump is keeping his promise, but Congress is refusing to pay for it. He now looks very good and they are the bad guys who refused to cooperate. Never mind whether that's true or not. When dealing with the voting public perception is everything.
You surprise me but that works both ways. I'm going to say this shut down was huge, biggest ever, just to be mean, but did Trump just blink, or have I missed something?
No, Donald didn't blink. How could you ever think you could make a deal with 2 of the most intelligent Democrats that this country has ever produced ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhYOuXa5lvE
I see i made a mistake on my own reply. I have it figured out now.
I have a little more time on my hand's now that i'm getting closer to retirement.
And i'm sure you guy's will help me out here if i make any more mistakes in the future.:Kaleun_Cheers:
Longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone indicted by special counsel in Russia investigation (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/longtime-trump-adviser-roger-stone-indicted-by-special-counsel-in-russia-investigation/2019/01/25/93a4d8fa-2093-11e9-8e21-59a09ff1e2a1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.01b607a1256a)
Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III unveiled criminal charges Friday against Roger Stone, a longtime friend of President Trump’s, accusing him of lying, obstruction and witness tampering in one of the longest legal sagas of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.
u crank
01-26-19, 07:17 AM
Did Trump blink? Perhaps but...
Trump doesn't get wall funding (yet) but what did the Dems get out of all this pain? Some pretty good offers were put on the table and all were rejected. Opportunity lost? We'll see.
u crank
01-26-19, 07:48 AM
Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.
Tick tock indeed.
Roger Stone is a slimy character without doubt but this indictment is not the big surprise the MSM is hyping it to be. Stone himself predicted and was waiting for it to happen.
...Stone’s alleged crimes all occurred after the investigation of Trump for colluding with Russians had begun, just as the process crimes of General Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos did.
And most importantly, there is exonerating evidence in the indictment itself. If Trump or a member of his team had colluded with the Russians, there would have been no need to find out what damaging information Wikileaks had found out about Hillary Clinton.
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/01/25/note-breathless-msm-trump-colluded-russians-roger-stone-wouldnt-needed-find-wikileaks/
Once again Mueller gets what he wants. A dramatic arrest of a Trump associate that looks good on CNN and makes TDS victims drool. Stone is a really bad guy who has to be arrested by a SWAT team when a call to his lawyer would have accomplished the same thing. If Stone was a flight risk or a dangerous character why was he almost immediately released with just a signed promise of bail money?
This arrest was a political stunt set up by the Mueller team and carried out by an FBI which has become so politicized, it bears no resemblance to the institution it was intended to be.
Mueller is solidifying his reputation as a thug with a badge.
Platapus
01-26-19, 07:52 AM
I think some of the media and politicians are handling this poorly.
When dealing with an emotional petulant child like Trump, when he makes a concession, don't rub it in. You encourage it by stoking his ego and letting him know what a good guy he was.
By throwing it in his face, like some of the reporting is, this will only serve to damage his already fragile ego and the next time he won't be motivated to make any concession. With Trump's ego, I have little doubt that he would now rather the entire country fall than back down again.
When dealing with the immature, the responsible adults need to think strategically. I don't see that happening.
I fear what might happen the next time we are extorted.
u crank
01-26-19, 08:11 AM
I think some of the media and politicians are handling this poorly.
When dealing with an emotional petulant child like Trump, when he makes a concession, don't rub it in. You encourage it by stoking his ego and letting him know what a good guy he was.
Exactly.
If Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are what passes for leadership in the Democratic Congress it's time for a change. Is this bragging about a win a way of beating back a simmering revolt in the House Democrat caucus? Trump still holds a strong hand. Don't make him play it.
Exactly.
If Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are what passes for leadership in the Democratic Congress it's time for a change. Is this bragging about a win a way of beating back a simmering revolt in the House Democrat caucus? Trump still holds a strong hand. Don't make him play it.
Better tell the far right wing nuts like Coulter to shut up then, they all are saying Trump caved!! And what Trump got from this latest round concerning the wall, is the same thing they offered a month ago and he turned it down. So he takes it out on Govt Employees, what an complete POS he is too!!
Tick tock indeed.
That the investigation isn't over just means there's a lot of investigating to do.
Also, just because Mueller hasn't indicted Trump means nothing, it's a minefield. He probably just gives his report on Trump to the DOJ with his recommendation on whether to impeach or not.
As for the rest of your post, have you read the indictment document? It goes in quite a detail as to why Stone is being indicted.
I think some of the media and politicians are handling this poorly.
When dealing with an emotional petulant child like Trump, when he makes a concession, don't rub it in. You encourage it by stoking his ego and letting him know what a good guy he was.
By throwing it in his face, like some of the reporting is, this will only serve to damage his already fragile ego and the next time he won't be motivated to make any concession. With Trump's ego, I have little doubt that he would now rather the entire country fall than back down again.
When dealing with the immature, the responsible adults need to think strategically. I don't see that happening.
I fear what might happen the next time we are extorted.
Just remember that the political class, the so called responsible adults that you are beseeching are (still) so justifiably disliked by the American people that they knowingly elected this petulant child as a foil to their increasingly authoritarian power.
chase749
01-27-19, 01:38 AM
Pelosi looks like a warlock lol idk how people see her fit to make choices for millions of people
Aktungbby
01-27-19, 02:11 AM
chase749!:Kaleun_Salute:
Pelosi looks like a warlock lol idk how people see her fit to make choices for millions of people
And he looks better,lol How can the country stand to have him making decisions for all of us!?!
https://i.postimg.cc/mZtJPnw5/18342682-257956311337825-1218695275102346648-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/5tPCBHbm/49864785-2264471853877772-6351586585821052928-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Remember when he said he would have made a great General? Just a general screw up is all he is!:D
https://i.postimg.cc/k4Btfn5P/38748251-219786518712706-409655870478090240-n.png (https://postimages.org/)
Nothing gets by this genius,lol
https://i.postimg.cc/NMS2nWy9/trump-wettest-water-1000x1000.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Vr9NrZWm)
Rockstar
01-27-19, 06:53 AM
"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here...
like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks.
When I consider the idiotic, over the top, foolish and childish things said here its no wonder we have politician who say idiotic, over the top, foolish and childish things.
Mr Quatro
01-27-19, 07:01 AM
If it wasn't for President Donald Trump we would all be making fun of two faced Hillary Clinton ... I much prefer Donald Trump over Hillary :yep:
Jimbuna
01-27-19, 07:06 AM
The question being, which one excels at providing the most ammunition.
u crank
01-27-19, 10:54 AM
He probably just gives his report on Trump to the DOJ with his recommendation on whether to impeach or not.
Well that is where the law enforcement part conflicts with the political part. If Mueller has evidence to indict Trump then he would almost certainly do so. That is the end game of this whole process from Mueller's point of view. If he doesn't then and he recommends impeachment then Mueller becomes a political activist. Without an indictable offense impeachment would almost certainly fail. After all Republicans had Bill Clinton clearly guilty of lying under oath yet a Democratic controlled Senate acquitted him. Expect the same.
As for the rest of your post, have you read the indictment document? It goes in quite a detail as to why Stone is being indicted.
Is Stone Mueller's slam dunk to get Trump? This is the most the most damaging part of the document.
"[A] senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 [WikiLeaks] had regarding the Clinton Campaign."
A charge in an indictment document is not proof of anything. It is an allegation which has to be proved. The big question is whether or not that allegation is a crime. That's debatable and almost certainly will be the basis of Stone's defense. Is this not exactly the same thing that the Clinton Campaign did? Getting dirt on political opponents is a long way from collusion with a foreign power.
The Stone indictment does not allege involvement by Stone or the Trump campaign in Russia’s hacking. Is Stone guilty of some process crimes? Probably. Will that lead to inditing Trump? Some legal experts say probably not.
It is becoming more apparent that this whole process is politically motivated. Andrew C. McCarthy makes that point in this article in National Review.
Not only was the suggestion of a Trump-Russia conspiracy not founded on fact. The officials calling the shots had reason to know that the premise was factually false. In truth, there was no evidence of Trump-campaign complicity in Russian espionage — nothing but the Clinton-campaign generated, unverified Steele dossier. The months-in-the-making Stone indictment is just the latest proof of that.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/roger-stone-indictment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/
...in February 2017, Comey, then the FBI’s director, gave this astonishing public testimony at a House Intelligence Committee hearing:
I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.
Understand:
1. It is standard government practice never to confirm or deny the existence of an investigation.
2. This is especially true of counterintelligence investigations, which target foreign powers, not individuals, and which are classified.
3. It violates Justice Department and FBI policy to identify a subject of any investigation if that subject has not been charged with a crime. This is especially true when the subject, whether a person or an entity (like the Trump campaign) is of interest to a counterintelligence investigation — again, such investigations are classified, and subjects whose suspected connections to foreign powers are being scrutinized should never be disclosed.
4. It is simply not true that, as a matter of course in a counterintelligence investigation, the Justice Department and FBI do an assessment of whether any prosecutable crimes have been committed. Instead, whenever agents happen to stumble upon evidence of a crime, they always consider whether to prosecute. This is not a routine aspect of counterintelligence investigations; it is an unremarkable fact applicable to all kinds of inquiries — even background investigations of applicants for government employment.
That is to say: It was wrong to acknowledge the existence of the classified Russia investigation, and it was egregiously wrong not only to name the Trump campaign as a subject but to do so in a manner that suggested criminal prosecution was foreseeable. Any thinking person would have taken Director Comey’s disclosure, in disregard of several law-enforcement and intelligence protocols, to signal that the new president could be conspiring with Russia in an espionage scheme, for which he — or at least officials in his campaign — might very well face criminal charges.
It has to have been obvious to investigators for months that this suggestion was misleading. Yet there has been no correction of the record. For month after month, the FBI, the Justice Department, and the special counsel have been content to allow the presidency to be enveloped in a cloud of suspicion that necessarily infects the administration’s capacity to govern, to conduct foreign relations, and to deal with Congress.
Why?
The Justice Department and the FBI went out of their way to portray Donald Trump as a suspect in what would have been the most abhorrent crime in the nation’s history. It has been more than two years. Is it too much to ask that the Justice Department withdraw its public suggestion that the president of the United States might be a clandestine agent of Russia?
The criminalization of political belief. Stalin would be so proud.
Onkel Neal
01-27-19, 09:12 PM
He (August) winds like a worm... :haha:
It sticks with it - Trump is a traitor, racist, demagogue and cheater!
This fact has long been proven. :03:
Strike 2. :nope:
Skybird
01-28-19, 07:04 AM
Most Germans have no clue of baseball. :03:
Last warning it means, Bleiente.
Mr Quatro
01-28-19, 11:35 AM
Strike 2. :nope:
Neal's not a mod he's da man :o
Mr Quatro
01-28-19, 11:41 AM
u crank would've made a good attorney or at least a great congressional aide, uh? :up:
Well that is where the law enforcement part conflicts with the political part. If Mueller has evidence to indict Trump then he would almost certainly do so. That is the end game of this whole process from Mueller's point of view. If he doesn't then and he recommends impeachment then Mueller becomes a political activist. Without an indictable offense impeachment would almost certainly fail. After all Republicans had Bill Clinton clearly guilty of lying under oath yet a Democratic controlled Senate acquitted him. Expect the same.
Is Stone Mueller's slam dunk to get Trump? This is the most the most damaging part of the document.
A charge in an indictment document is not proof of anything. It is an allegation which has to be proved. The big question is whether or not that allegation is a crime. That's debatable and almost certainly will be the basis of Stone's defense. Is this not exactly the same thing that the Clinton Campaign did? Getting dirt on political opponents is a long way from collusion with a foreign power.
The Stone indictment does not allege involvement by Stone or the Trump campaign in Russia’s hacking. Is Stone guilty of some process crimes? Probably. Will that lead to inditing Trump? Some legal experts say probably not.
It is becoming more apparent that this whole process is politically motivated. Andrew C. McCarthy makes that point in this article in National Review.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/roger-stone-indictment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/
The criminalization of political belief. Stalin would be so proud.
Eichhörnchen
01-28-19, 02:02 PM
Most Germans have no clue of baseball. :03:
Last warning it means, Bleiente.
Behalten Sie den Kopf... Wir wollen kein gutes Eichhörnchen verlieren :haha:
em2nought
01-28-19, 02:45 PM
u crank would've made a good attorney or at least a great congressional aide, uh? :up:
Originally Posted by u crank http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2588659#post2588659)
Well that is where the law enforcement part conflicts with the political part. If Mueller has evidence to indict Trump then he would almost certainly do so. That is the end game of this whole process from Mueller's point of view. If he doesn't then and he recommends impeachment then Mueller becomes a political activist. Without an indictable offense impeachment would almost certainly fail. After all Republicans had Bill Clinton clearly guilty of lying under oath yet a Democratic controlled Senate acquitted him. Expect the same.
Is Stone Mueller's slam dunk to get Trump? This is the most the most damaging part of the document.
A charge in an indictment document is not proof of anything. It is an allegation which has to be proved. The big question is whether or not that allegation is a crime. That's debatable and almost certainly will be the basis of Stone's defense. Is this not exactly the same thing that the Clinton Campaign did? Getting dirt on political opponents is a long way from collusion with a foreign power.
The Stone indictment does not allege involvement by Stone or the Trump campaign in Russia’s hacking. Is Stone guilty of some process crimes? Probably. Will that lead to inditing Trump? Some legal experts say probably not.
It is becoming more apparent that this whole process is politically motivated. Andrew C. McCarthy makes that point in this article in National Review.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ia-conspiracy/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/roger-stone-indictment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/)
The criminalization of political belief. Stalin would be so proud.
There is one difference between then and now. Clinton was and still is one of "them". Those democrat politicians supported Bill Clinton, most of these republican politicians only pay lip service to supporting Trump. They don't want positive change for the American public, positive change will show how lousy a job they've all done for the last forty years all the while getting rich in the process without "doing" anything. Our political ruling class have not been looking out for our best interests for a long, long time.
Bleiente
01-28-19, 03:03 PM
Strike 2. :nope:
I strongly disagree!
He (August) winds like a worm... :haha:
This is a common saying in Germany.
It sticks with it - Trump is a traitor, racist, demagogue and cheater!
Is this untrue or offended by a person (trump and family) of low spiritual rank, just because this very incompetent person is president?!?
Und ich dachte, hier darf ich die demokratisch zugesicherte Redefreiheit persönlich ausüben... :hmmm:
Skybird
01-28-19, 03:26 PM
This is a common saying in Germany.
That is true indeed ("Er windet sich wie ein Wurm"). But even in German it is considered to be a bit unpolite to tell a stranger.
Und ich dachte, hier darf ich die demokratisch zugesicherte Redefreiheit persönlich ausüben... :hmmm: 01-28-2019 08:45 PM
Neal's place - Neal's rules. ;)
Freedom of speech does not mean you can cash into a private home and then insist the owners of it have to isten to what you have to say.
It means you can own the place and the time to exceute the right of free speech, if you wish. Rent a city hall, for a defined time, at your costs, and then say what you think you must. Or find a speakers corner in Hyde Park where the community has agreed to let this happen. Or found your own broadcasting station. Free speech does not give you claim for the private sphere and private property of others.
This is not "public space" - its a forum. Neal pays the bills, he defines the rules. He allows the public in, but it remains to be his "private property".
My home, my rules. His place, his rules. Simple. Who pays the bill, has the say.
Bleiente
01-28-19, 03:37 PM
This is not "public space" - its a forum. Neal pays the bills, he defines the rules. He allows the public in, but it remains to be his "private property".
My home, my rules. His place, his rules. Simple. Who pays the bill, has the say.
How stupid are you actually @Skybird.
We modders and programmers are the only ones, which is why this forum still exists.
So keep your mouth shut - you ****. :03:
Nur zur Erklärung - die Sternchen bedeuten Votze.
:Kaleun_Salute:
Skybird
01-28-19, 04:02 PM
How stupid are you actually @Skybird.
We modders and programmers are the only ones, which is why this forum still exists.
So keep your mouth shut - you ****. :03:
Nur zur Erklärung - die Sternchen bedeuten Votze.
:Kaleun_Salute:
For the record. Mental problems yes or not, you went too far.
"Nur zur Erklärung - die Sternchen bedeuten Votze." (quote)
Translates into:
"Just to explain - the stars mean c..t".
Onkel Neal
01-28-19, 04:34 PM
Now, backed to our regularly scheduled discussion. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
Skybird
01-28-19, 05:18 PM
"Texan settlement". :)
Thanks.
Many say Trump lost this fight.
Did he ? or did he just felt pity over his people the employees that have been without money for weeks.
And for how long will this "Opening of the business" be before the next lockdown happens.
Markus
Many say Trump lost this fight.
Did he ? or did he just felt pity over his people the employees that have been without money for weeks.
And for how long will this "Opening of the business" be before the next lockdown happens.
Markus
I think the president will wait the three weeks to show that the politicians won't do anything about the problem then he'll declare an emergency.
This is an If-question.
If Trump declare State of emergency
Will this be the first time An American President does this in peacetime or wartime ?
I have a little knowledge and I can't remember any President having declared State of emergency.
Many President have declared emergency in some of the states, when hurricanes have hit the area.
Markus
Platapus
01-28-19, 06:40 PM
I guess if you wanna get kicked off a board, insulting the board's owner is a good way to do it.
Mr Quatro
01-28-19, 08:22 PM
Many say Trump lost this fight.
Did he ? or did he just felt pity over his people the employees that have been without money for weeks.
And for how long will this "Opening of the business" be before the next lockdown happens.
Markus
It's not over yet ... Trump said that he won't take less than the 5.7 billion that he has already requested, but I think that Trump is bluffing. He would probably take half now and half later just to prove that the wall works in order to get the other half later. Probably around National Election time. One way or the other Trump is going to get his wall and one more thing don't trust the news media's opinion polls ... They were wrong in 2016 and they haven't gotten any better.
Onkel Neal
01-28-19, 09:29 PM
Someone tell me, why has it taken Trump 2 years (and after the Dems won back the House) for him to start the wall?
Someone tell me, why has it taken Trump 2 years (and after the Dems won back the House) for him to start the wall?
He can't do everything at once and the GoP leadership haven't exactly been supportive of his agenda.
This is an If-question.
If Trump declare State of emergency
Will this be the first time An American President does this in peacetime or wartime ?
I have a little knowledge and I can't remember any President having declared State of emergency.
Many President have declared emergency in some of the states, when hurricanes have hit the area.
Markus
Here you go:
Since that first order in 1979, American presidents have declared 58 national emergencies. According to the Brennan Center's running count, 31 of these are still in effect—including the ban on Iranian property, which was extended in November of 2018. In other words, the country has been in some state of emergency for almost four decades.
These 58 national emergencies include declarations over dealings with Yemen, Syria, and North Korea, among others; sanctions against an array of terrorist groups, including one after 9/11; and various orders concerning nuclear weapons, diamonds imported from Sierra Leone, and the 2009 swine flu epidemic. Most recently, George W. Bush declared 13 and Barack Obama 12, most of which are still in effect, according to CNN.
So far, the president has declared three national emergencies under the National Emergencies Act, according to the Brennan Center. The first was in December of 2017, when Trump sanctioned 13 people for human rights abuses and corruption using an executive order. Many were generals and heads of state accused of ordering executions and mass murder, including ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya Muslim minority in Myanmar.
The second came in September of 2018. Criticized as too broad at the time, the order sanctioned people found to be involved in hacking and social media campaigns for the purpose of influencing elections, Politico reports. In November, Trump declared a third national emergency over Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega's regime and its "use of indiscriminate violence and repressive tactics against civilians."
https://psmag.com/news/the-united-states-states-of-emergencies
FullMetalADCAP
01-28-19, 11:44 PM
Someone tell me, why has it taken Trump 2 years (and after the Dems won back the House) for him to start the wall?
As far as the wall goes, Trump has always maintained this was a bipartisan issue, in which Democrats had previously expressed they wanted to build a wall or barrier in the past. Even Nancy Pelosi had said this needed to be done long before Trump ever took office, back under the Obama regime.
I believe he has waited until the Democrats won back the House to get their approval for the wall so that it would be a bipartisan agreement - thus, less likely that the Democrats, should they ever win back the presidency someday, will tear the wall down out of spite towards the Republicans for having put it up without their approval.
Someone tell me, why has it taken Trump 2 years (and after the Dems won back the House) for him to start the wall?
Its all smoke and mirrors Neal, just look up the changes going on why the country has been bogged down by this nonsense. Check all the changes going on with regulations at the EPA, Dept Of Education run by DeVoss, who has no business being the head of that department. Changes to the banking laws, all being done while the country is focused on the stupid wall. But it does make you wonder why in his first 2 years when the Republicans controlled the House, Senate and White House, that Trump couldn't get it done then.
FullMetalADCAP
01-29-19, 12:41 AM
Many say Trump lost this fight.
Did he ? or did he just felt pity over his people the employees that have been without money for weeks.
And for how long will this "Opening of the business" be before the next lockdown happens.
Markus
The Democrats want to believe they've won with Trump ending the shutdown. I've read feminist articles claiming that a man (Trump) lost to a woman (Pelosi), even comparing Trump to a raging out of control bull and Pelosi as an in-control highly skilled feminist female matador who has bested him, trying desperately (and failing) to stoke the idea that women are somehow smarter and better than men in leadership roles.
I think they are highly delusional and desperately seeing what they want to see from it.
While at first it makes Trump appear to have lost to the Dems, namely to Pelosi since she is the House speaker, the reality is this - the Dems are in a very bad spot right now. The ball is in their court and in this case, that's not good for them at all. Here is why...
If the border wall isn't approved before the 3 week deadline, then there will be no doubt in anybody's mind that the Dems are simply refusing to work with President Trump on something that they themselves previously said they wanted built, back under the Obama administration, and they will be blamed entirely for another government shutdown if they do not approve it by the deadline. Not good for the Dems. Not good at all!
It's also a catch 22 situation for the Dems...
If the Dems approve the border wall during the 3-week shutdown, then they will be accused of the previous government shutdown because they could have, and should have, approved the funding before that ever happened. So, those poor 800,000 federal employees the Dems talk about will only have the Dems to blame for why they went all those weeks without a paycheck, while Nancy was playing hardball with Trump - ultimately losing to him in the end no matter what.
So much for feminist Matador Pelosi, either way she goes now. Plus, the wall will be going up, either way she chooses. In short, the Dems shot themselves in their own butts on this and have nobody to blame but themselves for it. The border wall was always a bipartisan issue. They should have never made it a partisan issue by playing hardball with President Trump out of spite and their hatred of him. He is a master strategist and he's now caused the Dems to paint themselves into a corner. No way the Dems can get out now without stepping in their own paint. :haha:
We all know where McConnell's head is at these days:har:
https://i.postimg.cc/3Rmm1Mpn/50286193-1993314167443394-1176571076302340096-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
FullMetalADCAP
01-29-19, 02:14 AM
We all know where McConnell's head is at these days:har:
I don't know where McConnell's head has been, but we all know where YOUR head has been eddie - searching for nude images of the President's bum with another man in the picture!? :o (Gasp)
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/5e/5e46a9bd8d37d36a6993083fe8c70d3da2d11bddd94b7f60a1 a5783f3b7271cd.jpg
Catfish
01-29-19, 04:06 AM
^ ah yes, back to peaceful discussion. ^ Is this a silly hat contest?
ikalugin
01-29-19, 06:01 AM
Well, seems like Bolton had "5000 troops to Colombia" on his pad.
Rockstar
01-29-19, 09:10 AM
Well, seems like Bolton had "5000 troops to Colombia" on his pad.
Russia is gonna take it on the jaw again, if Maduro goes they probably won't get their 11 billion in loans back. Chavez and Maduro destroyed their own oil industry. A new government will bring about Russia's worst fears. The U.S. will be allowed back in to help manage and grow their oil industry again. Bye bye :salute:
You know, I've been to Venezuela. It WAS a beautiful place to visit and relatively safe no matter where you went. There was food on the table, people had homes and money to spend. Then comes along Chavez and Maduro with the backing of Russia and its military hardware and China. And guess what it ALL goes to hell in a hand basket in a few short years. From the richest country in South America, the largest oil resources in the world to unimaginable inflation, food riots, death, suffering, hunger, a completely collapsed economy and oil industry.
Go ahead try to convince me that capitalism and the United States of America is the bad guy. We may not get it right every time but it sure as hell was a lot better for Venezuela when we were business associates.
If we did intervene militarily it would benefit the people more than the triad of asshats
ikalugin
01-29-19, 10:17 AM
Venezuela is not a key Russian interest so we can be quite flexible in our strategy. It is amusing to see how you appear to be emotionally invested in this conflict though.
And I doubt that US humanitarian intervention in Venezuela would bring anything other than a decade of civil war and increased misery for the locals.
As it have been said, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
P.s. I am not a socialist so I am not sure why you went for the evil capitalism angle.
Rockstar
01-29-19, 11:20 AM
Its not emotional really. I think Russia has a great deal of interest in Venezuela. If the U.S. is back in Venezuela of which there is no guarantee that will happen, and begins to help Venezuela manage their own oil industry and increase output and generate something of a better life for themselves. A drop in the price of oil might occur. Russian oil wouldn't like that at all.
Plus Russia is in our backyard, not a good place to be. Unless they're willing to back it up Russia, China and Maduro needs to go bye bye. And sending two Tu-160 bombers to Venezuela just isn't really going to scare us off.
ikalugin
01-29-19, 11:35 AM
Its not emotional really. I think Russia has a great deal of interest in Venezuela. If the U.S. is back in Venezuela of which there is no guarantee that will happen, and begins to help Venezuela manage their own oil industry and increase output and generate something of a better life for themselves. A drop in the price of oil might occur. Russian oil wouldn't like that at all.Or the humanitarian intervention could fail, with US getting mired in another endless war for decades.
You can always look at this situation from different angles.
Plus Russia is in our backyard, not a good place to be. Unless they're willing to back it up Russia, China and Maduro needs to go bye bye. And sending two Tu-160 bombers to Venezuela just isn't really going to scare us off. Regular show of flag event (we would have sent ships if those were availiable), overblown by the US.
Rockstar
01-29-19, 12:59 PM
Or the humanitarian intervention could fail, with US getting mired in another endless war for decades.
You can always look at this situation from different angles.
Regular show of flag event (we would have sent ships if those were availiable), overblown by the US.
And who would be the sponsor of this revolution and endless war?
Skybird
01-29-19, 01:09 PM
Russian money is heavily engaged in Venezuela, lots of credits running, much money both from the state and from private financiers close to the Kremlin. That is a very clear and material interest Russia has in the Manduro regime, which is against the US and thus against the chance for the US meddling with the payback of these credits and financial interests. The same is true for China, though on not such a significant scale as the Russian case.
Of course both like to have opened a sore wound in the flank of the American backyard again. Maybe you can'T have missiles on Cuba - but having a Manduro in Venezuela nevertheless is worth an attempt to poke the Americans in the eye.
FullMetalADCAP
01-29-19, 01:56 PM
Russian money is heavily engaged in Venezuela, lots of credits running, much money both from the state and from private financiers close to the Kremlin. That is a very clear and material interest Russia has in the Manduro regime, which is against the US and thus against the chance for the US meddling with the payback of these credits and financial interests. The same is true for China, though on not such a significant scale as the Russian case.
Of course both like to have opened a sore wound in the flank of the American backyard again. Maybe you can'T have missiles on Cuba - but having a Manduro in Venezuela nevertheless is worth an attempt to poke the Americans in the eye.
We'll just make "The Hunt for Red October 2" and "RockyIV 2" to poke the Russians in the eye right back. :03: :)
Platapus
01-29-19, 04:34 PM
Someone tell me, why has it taken Trump 2 years (and after the Dems won back the House) for him to start the wall?
Good question. My take on it?
Because the Republican congress did not want the wall. More accurately, the Republicans do not want to be held responsible for the massive costs (acquisition and O&M of the wall)
By waiting until the Democrats got the house (there was not much doubt in that), this open up two political outcomes
1. If the Democratic House approves the funding and the expenses of the wall become excessive, the GOP can point their fingers at the Democrats and claim "well you funded it! It's on you!"
2. If the House does not approve the funding, then the GOP can point their fingers at the democrats and claim "see, they don't care about security or safety". Democrats being weak on security is a traditional campaigning strategy by the GOP.
Neither of these would work if the GOP remained in control of both houses. In the event that the democrats did not gain a majority in the house, this wall funding thing would not have been pushed.
That's why it was not a crisis when the GOP had both houses but is now suddenly a crisis when the opposing party has control and responsibility.
This is also why Trump is being pressured not to use the Emergency rational as it removes the accountability (and finger pointing) from the Democrats and moves it back to Trump and by association the GOP.
Russian money is heavily engaged in Venezuela, lots of credits running, much money both from the state and from private financiers close to the Kremlin. That is a very clear and material interest Russia has in the Manduro regime, which is against the US and thus against the chance for the US meddling with the payback of these credits and financial interests. The same is true for China, though on not such a significant scale as the Russian case.
Of course both like to have opened a sore wound in the flank of the American backyard again. Maybe you can'T have missiles on Cuba - but having a Manduro in Venezuela nevertheless is worth an attempt to poke the Americans in the eye.
Have to remember Sky, Iran has warned the US to stay out of this too! I mean with Iran's global reach with their navy and air force, we should be quite concerned with them,LOL
Rockstar
01-29-19, 04:45 PM
Good question. My take on it?
Because the Republican congress did not want the wall. More accurately, the Republicans do not want to be held responsible for the massive costs (acquisition and O&M of the wall)
By waiting until the Democrats got the house (there was not much doubt in that), this open up two political outcomes
1. If the Democratic House approves the funding and the expenses of the wall become excessive, the GOP can point their fingers at the Democrats and claim "well you funded it! It's on you!"
2. If the House does not approve the funding, then the GOP can point their fingers at the democrats and claim "see, they don't care about security or safety". Democrats being weak on security is a traditional campaigning strategy by the GOP.
Neither of these would work if the GOP remained in control of both houses. In the event that the democrats did not gain a majority in the house, this wall funding thing would not have been pushed.
That's why it was not a crisis when the GOP had both houses but is now suddenly a crisis when the opposing party has control and responsibility.
This is also why Trump is being pressured not to use the Emergency rational as it removes the accountability (and finger pointing) from the Democrats and moves it back to Trump and by association the GOP.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Sqir5ZxfoS27EvS/giphy.gif
Also, cost over runs developing the technology for A.I. and virtual wall border sensors were one of the main reasons funding was cut in the first place.
My reply to August comment to my latest post.
This show how little knowledge I have about American politics and their laws they must obey or follow.
I remember our journalist mentioned Trump putting a ban on 13 countries and no one from these countries were allowed to enter USA.
But these journalist(mostly Danish), did not mentioned National Emergency. Well I have tried to remember if they had.
I thought USA was somehow the same as Sweden and Denmark, and perhaps Germany.
National Emergency is only activated in case of huge terror attack or severe weather.
Markus
em2nought
01-29-19, 06:35 PM
Good question. My take on it?
Because the Republican congress did not want the wall. More accurately, the Republicans do not want to be held responsible for the massive costs (acquisition and O&M of the wall)
I think there's another component being the "forces" that make those republican congressional puppets "dance" don't want any possible interruption in the cheap labor pool. :03: The entire congress is a swamp.
FullMetalADCAP
01-29-19, 07:18 PM
Good question. My take on it?
Because the Republican congress did not want the wall. More accurately, the Republicans do not want to be held responsible for the massive costs (acquisition and O&M of the wall)
By waiting until the Democrats got the house (there was not much doubt in that), this open up two political outcomes
1. If the Democratic House approves the funding and the expenses of the wall become excessive, the GOP can point their fingers at the Democrats and claim "well you funded it! It's on you!"
2. If the House does not approve the funding, then the GOP can point their fingers at the democrats and claim "see, they don't care about security or safety". Democrats being weak on security is a traditional campaigning strategy by the GOP.
Neither of these would work if the GOP remained in control of both houses. In the event that the democrats did not gain a majority in the house, this wall funding thing would not have been pushed.
That's why it was not a crisis when the GOP had both houses but is now suddenly a crisis when the opposing party has control and responsibility.
This is also why Trump is being pressured not to use the Emergency rational as it removes the accountability (and finger pointing) from the Democrats and moves it back to Trump and by association the GOP.
OR - maybe Trump just really wants to build the wall to protect this nation? Nah, can't be that simple. Has to be some deep, dark, evil conspiracy of the Republicans to make the Dems look bad - as if the Dems aren't doing a good job of that themselves. :haha: :har:
This should be such a simple and mutual agreement between the parties but each is just so wary of the other on everything that nothing gets done. It's pathetic. We need term limits on all politicians.
Onkel Neal
01-29-19, 07:20 PM
Good question. My take on it?
Because the Republican congress did not want the wall. More accurately, the Republicans do not want to be held responsible for the massive costs (acquisition and O&M of the wall)
By waiting until the Democrats got the house (there was not much doubt in that), this open up two political outcomes
1. If the Democratic House approves the funding and the expenses of the wall become excessive, the GOP can point their fingers at the Democrats and claim "well you funded it! It's on you!"
2. If the House does not approve the funding, then the GOP can point their fingers at the democrats and claim "see, they don't care about security or safety". Democrats being weak on security is a traditional campaigning strategy by the GOP.
Neither of these would work if the GOP remained in control of both houses. In the event that the democrats did not gain a majority in the house, this wall funding thing would not have been pushed.
That's why it was not a crisis when the GOP had both houses but is now suddenly a crisis when the opposing party has control and responsibility.
This is also why Trump is being pressured not to use the Emergency rational as it removes the accountability (and finger pointing) from the Democrats and moves it back to Trump and by association the GOP.
You know, I think you're right.
And Trump doesn't really want the wall, either. He's just saying what sovereignty-minded Americans want to hear.
When you get down to the real, known, facts about the wall, they are very few: we know Trump wants to build a wall, we know he is trying to convince the US that Mexico will somehow pay for it, and we know he wants the US taxpayers to front him the money to start building it...
What we don't know:
The exact nature of the 'wall'; there are 8 known prototypes, none of which have been said to be the final choice for the 'wall'
The exact cost of the wall or even an estimate of the final costs; aside from a brief, hurriedly drafted summation of possible starting costs that was hastily withdrawn almost immediately after its issue and a less than encouraging, unflattering (and heavily redacted) DHS report on the wall, there hasn't been any real accounting of the costs, now or in the future for the 'wall';
The exact engineering needed to overcome serious issues regarding terrain, seismic, and environmental issues (weathering, etc.);
The way issues regarding private property ownership and the project's impact on the property rights of individuals/entities along the wall route; added to this should be property issues regarding ownership of land by local and/or state governments and their agencies;
The nature and costs of providing maintenance and security for the 'wall', once finished;
...and those are just the few I could think of in the moment; I am sure there are more issues out there...
Put it this way: Imagine you are the loan officer for a bank and some guy, let's call him Ronald Scrump, came in to your office seeking a construction loan:
You: Well, Mr. Scrump, what can we do for you today?
Scrump: I want to get a loan for a construction project that must be done at once!
You: I see. Do you have a project plan available we can both discus?
Scrump: All I have is the idea and it is a really, really good idea, the best ever and it will be HUGE!
You: Um, er, here at the bank we really need to have some sort of plan worked out to review before we decide...
Scrump: Look, that's the old way of doing things! This is a better way! Trust me!
You (Trying no to excite the excitable man): Well, um, let's go over some of the basics, then. Do you have a budget?
Scrump: Well, I have an idea of the starting costs...
You: Ah! And can you provide backing for the figures?
Scrump: Well, I've just been sort of spitballing figures, I can't really pin down the actual costs.
You: I see. So you don't have an actual budget. Do you have construction plans and material estimates available for review?
Scrump: Well, I haven't really decided on a design, but I do have a half dozen or so under consideration.
You: So, no budget, no project plans. Do you at least have the rights to the property for the project?
Scrump: Well, I know the general location but there may be a problem with local governments who own part of the area, but, hey, that's just details, right?
You: I see. Well, Mr Scrump, I'll see about presenting this to the loan committee and we'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Scrump: I look for ward to you cutting me a check and, believe me, my project will be the biggest, greatest project ever! It will be HUGE!!
(Scrump leaves your office)
You (on the intercom to the receptionist): Nancy, will you inform security that Scrump fellow is not to be allowed int this building ever again. Thank You.
Given how, basically, this is how Trump is approaching the whole 'wall' , the fact that US banks will no longer do business with him and the fact Trump has had four bankruptcies, including one of a casino, which in other hands would be a license to 'print money', is now very understandable. If the border project had been properly planned, designed, and vetted it might have been passed by Congress and without the unnecessary hoopla and juvenile dramatics of the Trump Tantrum. Its been done twice before, in 2006 and 2013, but both efforts at a full and concise border and immigration reform were thwarted by some of the same Trump minions who are trying to lay blame solely on the DEMs:
Did Senate pass immigration bills in 2006, 2013 and House failed to vote on them? -
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jan/26/ronald-brownstein/did-senators-pass-immigration-reform-bills-2006-20/
By the way, the 'impregnable' Trump wall as proposed most recently has been proven to be 'pregnable', even by a tool as simple as a common hardware store circular saw:
Trump’s New Steel Border Wall Won’t Be Any Better Than Concrete -
https://www.engineering.com/BIM/ArticleID/18280/Trumps-New-Steel-Border-Wall-Wont-Be-Any-Better-Than-Concrete.aspx
Regarding the shutdown, funding problems used to be a big political issue here in California, but the constant bickering and inaction came to an end when the CA voters placed on the the ballot and voted in an initiative that changed the way voting by the State's Houses on budgets was conducted and allowed for the docking of the State Legislators' and Senators' if they did not pass a budget on time; in the 30 years prior to the 2010 passage of the initiative, the Legislature had only met the deadline 5 times; since the passage of the law, and an actual docking of the lawmakers pay, the annual budgets have all been passed either on or before the deadline date(s). Perhaps this is another 'California idea' that might work for the Federal levels...
‘No Budget, No Pay’ Works Once Again in California -
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/no-budget-no-pay-works-on_b_5501540.html
Some in other parts of the nation may disparage CA, but we seem to be doing just fine with our "whacky" ideas...
<O>
FullMetalADCAP
01-29-19, 09:41 PM
When you get down to the real, known, facts about the wall, they are very few: we know Trump wants to build a wall, we know he is trying to convince the US that Mexico will somehow pay for it, and we know he wants the US taxpayers to front him the money to start building it...
What we don't know:
The exact nature of the 'wall'; there are 8 known prototypes, none of which have been said to be the final choice for the 'wall'
The exact cost of the wall or even an estimate of the final costs; aside from a brief, hurriedly drafted summation of possible starting costs that was hastily withdrawn almost immediately after its issue and a less than encouraging, unflattering (and heavily redacted) DHS report on the wall, there hasn't been any real accounting of the costs, now or in the future for the 'wall';
The exact engineering needed to overcome serious issues regarding terrain, seismic, and environmental issues (weathering, etc.);
The way issues regarding private property ownership and the project's impact on the property rights of individuals/entities along the wall route; added to this should be property issues regarding ownership of land by local and/or state governments and their agencies;
The nature and costs of providing maintenance and security for the 'wall', once finished;
...and those are just the few I could think of in the moment; I am sure there are more issues out there...
Put it this way: Imagine you are the loan officer for a bank and some guy, let's call him Ronald Scrump, came in to your office seeking a construction loan:
You: Well, Mr. Scrump, what can we do for you today?
Scrump: I want to get a loan for a construction project that must be done at once!
You: I see. Do you have a project plan available we can both discus?
Scrump: All I have is the idea and it is a really, really good idea, the best ever and it will be HUGE!
You: Um, er, here at the bank we really need to have some sort of plan worked out to review before we decide...
Scrump: Look, that's the old way of doing things! This is a better way! Trust me!
You (Trying no to excite the excitable man): Well, um, let's go over some of the basics, then. Do you have a budget?
Scrump: Well, I have an idea of the starting costs...
You: Ah! And can you provide backing for the figures?
Scrump: Well, I've just been sort of spitballing figures, I can't really pin down the actual costs.
You: I see. So you don't have an actual budget. Do you have construction plans and material estimates available for review?
Scrump: Well, I haven't really decided on a design, but I do have a half dozen or so under consideration.
You: So, no budget, no project plans. Do you at least have the rights to the property for the project?
Scrump: Well, I know the general location but there may be a problem with local governments who own part of the area, but, hey, that's just details, right?
You: I see. Well, Mr Scrump, I'll see about presenting this to the loan committee and we'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Scrump: I look for ward to you cutting me a check and, believe me, my project will be the biggest, greatest project ever! It will be HUGE!!
(Scrump leaves your office)
You (on the intercom to the receptionist): Nancy, will you inform security that Scrump fellow is not to be allowed int this building ever again. Thank You.
Given how, basically, this is how Trump is approaching the whole 'wall' , the fact that US banks will no longer do business with him and the fact Trump has had four bankruptcies, including one of a casino, which in other hands would be a license to 'print money', is now very understandable. If the border project had been properly planned, designed, and vetted it might have been passed by Congress and without the unnecessary hoopla and juvenile dramatics of the Trump Tantrum. Its been done twice before, in 2006 and 2013, but both efforts at a full and concise border and immigration reform were thwarted by some of the same Trump minions who are trying to lay blame solely on the DEMs:
Did Senate pass immigration bills in 2006, 2013 and House failed to vote on them? -
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jan/26/ronald-brownstein/did-senators-pass-immigration-reform-bills-2006-20/
By the way, the 'impregnable' Trump wall as proposed most recently has been proven to be 'pregnable', even by a tool as simple as a common hardware store circular saw:
Trump’s New Steel Border Wall Won’t Be Any Better Than Concrete -
https://www.engineering.com/BIM/ArticleID/18280/Trumps-New-Steel-Border-Wall-Wont-Be-Any-Better-Than-Concrete.aspx
Regarding the shutdown, funding problems used to be a big political issue here in California, but the constant bickering and inaction came to an end when the CA voters placed on the the ballot and voted in an initiative that changed the way voting by the State's Houses on budgets was conducted and allowed for the docking of the State Legislators' and Senators' if they did not pass a budget on time; in the 30 years prior to the 2010 passage of the initiative, the Legislature had only met the deadline 5 times; since the passage of the law, and an actual docking of the lawmakers pay, the annual budgets have all been passed either on or before the deadline date(s). Perhaps this is another 'California idea' that might work for the Federal levels...
‘No Budget, No Pay’ Works Once Again in California -
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/no-budget-no-pay-works-on_b_5501540.html
Some in other parts of the nation may disparage CA, but we seem to be doing just fine with our "whacky" ideas...
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How many buildings and resorts have you built vienna?... None? Yeah, that's what I thought.
I trust the President knows a bit about the process and what is needed to make a quality wall. :03:
And if you don't trust the President to do a good job on it, you can ask Nancy Pelosi how and why she put a wall up all around her home and how it's done. :har:
I don't care if it's dual fences with razor wire coils in the middle and on both sides with zone alarms. That's all we had at FCI Talladega where I worked in corrections and no inmate got through that. Had one jump onto the side one night when I was on perimeter duty. It set off the zone alarm and I was there in 20 seconds with my shotgun out. I racked that slide back and he wet the front of his khaki pants and crapped himself. Probably the scariest sound in the world is "cha cha" from a 12-gauge being racked.
He was stuck because he couldn't get over the razor wire above him. He would have had to jump 25 feet across to the top of the other fence (also covered in razor wire, without falling into all the coils in between down below. I knew he wasn't going no where. I waited for the compound officer to come and get him down and take him to the Special Housing Unit (SHU). The inmate cut his ankle on some razor wire at the bottom trying to get down and it cut him to the bone. We even dropped a roast in that stuff one time and it came out like spaghetti at the bottom.
If Trump builds this thing with zone alarms on it, I highly doubt any immigrant with a circular saw is going to penetrate through it before a helo or jeep is there with machine guns aimed at him within a minute or two. From my understanding, there's going to be cameras, razor wire, and zone alarms all over the steel wall. I imagine there will be round-the-clock patrolling rovers that drive the length of a section of the wall back and forth and probably helo crews spread out over so many miles that are on standbye to investigate zone alarms if there's not a jeep patrol nearby. And there's probably going to be tons of people hired to monitor a certain amount of security cameras along the wall, all equipped with high range vision and night vision capabilities.
Will the wall stop ALL violators? Nothing is ever 100% but anything is better than nothing and it WILL be a huge help in curbing back the amount of illegals breaking into our country. And lets say one breaks through somehow. It will not have been easy for him. So if he's picked up in the U.S. and deported, he'll know he'll have to go through all that hell again and he might not be so lucky the second time. I think it will encourage more to go through the process of legal entry into our country. And that's all we care about. It's not a racism thing like so many on the left try to accuse Trump of being. All he wants is for people to go through the legal process of gaining entry to our country and obeying the law.
Then there is tunneling!! :hmmm:
Buddahaid
01-29-19, 10:16 PM
So Pelosi has a wall? Well I have four walls and I even put a roof on them and locks on the doors solely to keep out all the Mexicans that flood over the border.
That is such a stupid argument.
How many buildings and resorts have you built vienna?... None? Yeah, that's what I thought.
I trust the President knows a bit about the process and what is needed to make a quality wall. :03:
And if you don't trust the President to do a good job on it, you can ask Nancy Pelosi how and why she put a wall up all around her home and how it's done. :har:
Hmm, I guess we should all follow the great example of Trump and go bankrupt four times over, totally screw-up a cash cow like a casino, have banks refuse to even do business with us, be sued by thousands of contractors and vendors for non-payment of debts, take credit for books we didn't even write (when asked about Trump's literary efforts, his publisher said Trump 'never even wrote a post card for us'), etc., etc,..
Trump as a 'role model' for success, much less for integrity and honesty is a really long stretch...
...almost Pinocchio-like... :03: :D
The man is an idiot who was born into wealth and depended on his father to bail him out of his failures, and, by most metrics, far more fo a failure than a rousing success; I'm probably in better final financial shape than he is and I'm hurting; he is what the call in Texas "All hat and no cattle". The guy is in hock up to and beyond his eyeballs, and is actively trying to turn his stay in the White House into a personal profit making venture; he's not even waiting til he's out of office to try and cash in. The level of sliminess and corruption of Trump is beyond even the worst of past Presidents. But the prospect for his house made of the tissues of lies to come down and take him with it are very, very high...
As his minions are individually indicted and or convicted, the trail leads ever closer to his door, and, as his gross mismanagement and disregard for common ethics and law becomes more and more apparent, he'll only have whatever sad, little minions chose to ride down the sinking hulk of his sad, pathetic "presidency" and whatever Trumpette lemmings who will still follow him. The rest of us will say good riddance and go on with normal lives...
BTW, have you heard of all the failed Trump projects in his past? Here are just a few:
Collapse Of The Deal: Trump Branded Projects That Fell Apart -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2017/03/20/collapse-of-the-deal-trump-branded-projects-that-fell-apart/#79cec7d5a822
...and I wasn't aware Nancy Pelosi has a wall around her home, but if she does, it shows she at least knows how to get one built and finished; maybe Trump should hire her as a project manager... :har:
<O>
Then there is tunneling!! :hmmm:
Ironically, at the Time Trump came down here to CA, new tunnels were found under the existing border barrier, which is very, very similar to the design Trump currently appears to be touting; and, just a day or so ago, a boat carrying about a dozed and a half illegals came ashore near Huntington Beach, about 100 miles north of the border; the authorities capture 12 of the illegals; of the twelve, 10 were Chinese nationals:
12 People Detained After Arriving on Boat in Huntington Beach; Homeland Security Investigating: Officials --
https://ktla.com/2019/01/28/crews-responding-to-multi-casualty-incident-in-huntington-beach-11-patients-being-evaluated/
Someone in a prior post made a comment about how California had a border barrier and it appeared to be working...
...or not, maybe...
<O>
FullMetalADCAP
01-29-19, 10:37 PM
Then there is tunneling!! :hmmm:
There are ground sensors that can pick up subterranean disturbances beneath the ground that could be deployed every so many yards that trigger a zone alarm. We had them at the prison for that same purpose.
FullMetalADCAP
01-29-19, 11:13 PM
Hmm, I guess we should all follow the great example of Trump and go bankrupt four times over, totally screw-up a cash cow like a casino, have banks refuse to even do business with us, be sued by thousands of contractors and vendors for non-payment of debts, take credit for books we didn't even write (when asked about Trump's literary efforts, his publisher said Trump 'never even wrote a post card for us'), etc., etc,..
Trump as a 'role model' for success, much less for integrity and honesty is a really long stretch...
...almost Pinocchio-like... :03: :D
The man is an idiot who was born into wealth and depended on his father to bail him out of his failures, and, by most metrics, far more fo a failure than a rousing success; I'm probably in better final financial shape than he is and I'm hurting; he is what the call in Texas "All hat and no cattle". The guy is in hock up to and beyond his eyeballs, and is actively trying to turn his stay in the White House into a personal profit making venture; he's not even waiting til he's out of office to try and cash in. The level of sliminess and corruption of Trump is beyond even the worst of past Presidents. But the prospect for his house made of the tissues of lies to come down and take him with it are very, very high...
As his minions are individually indicted and or convicted, the trail leads ever closer to his door, and, as his gross mismanagement and disregard for common ethics and law becomes more and more apparent, he'll only have whatever sad, little minions chose to ride down the sinking hulk of his sad, pathetic "presidency" and whatever Trumpette lemmings who will still follow him. The rest of us will say good riddance and go on with normal lives...
BTW, have you heard of all the failed Trump projects in his past? Here are just a few:
Collapse Of The Deal: Trump Branded Projects That Fell Apart -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2017/03/20/collapse-of-the-deal-trump-branded-projects-that-fell-apart/#79cec7d5a822
...and I wasn't aware Nancy Pelosi has a wall around her home, but if she does, it shows she at least knows how to get one built and finished; maybe Trump should hire her as a project manager... :har:
<O>
Yes, I'm well aware of your seething hatred for the President. Failure though? Um, okay. :haha:
He's only the most powerful man in the entire world right now. I wouldn't call that failure. His daddy didn't buy him into the White House like Kennedy's daddy did. Trump made way more money off his father's investment in him than his father originally gave him. He's filed bankruptcy as a strategic financial move. So would you when dealing with large amounts of money and investments that didn't plan out. Only an idiot wouldn't in the same situation. I don't see that as him failing, I see that as him using the bankruptcy laws smartly and to his advantage. After all, that's what they are there for. He's built way more physical structures than Hillary ever has and taken on way more financial risk than her. No wonder she doesn't have bankruptcy on her record. She never took any financial risks. She didn't have to. She had a husband pave her way into politics, riding in holding onto his coat tails.
Trump takes risks and makes investments. He's a mover and shaker. That's what Trump supporters like about him. His tenacity has made him very rich over the decades. How you see failure in that is just mind boggling to me. :doh: I think you just hate him for being a Republican. If he ran as a Dem, you'd be praising him I suspect. :03:
You want to talk failure? Hillary was a failure. She's lost what 2 or 3 times now trying to get the job that Trump got on his first attempt and without a political background? And he won with the media HIGHLY opposed to him while she was getting tons of praise. And she spent way more than he did on political ads. That wasn't risk investment on her part. That was just plain stupid and wasteful spending when she was always suspected of being the one that was going to win in a landslide. So why was she spending so much on political ads to run on TV compared to Trump? Because she's a failure idiot, that's why!
I just wish there was a video of her going into absolute rage mode on the night of her defeat. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall seeing that. You just know she went into a crazed rage mode also. It was even reported she began throwing things around the room and screaming like a complete lunatic. :) :haha:
It was also reported she did the same thing when she found out Bill cheated on her with Monica years before. I remember he showed up on TV with a gash on his head and he lied to America again and said he hurt himself to cover for his crazy psycho wife but WH staff had reported when they left office that she had thrown a table lamp at him in an ugly rage that hit him in the head. After Bill's MANY lies to our country (ole slick Willy) I'm convinced the WH staff isn't lying and she actually committed domestic violence against Bill, the POTUS back then. But hey, let's let her talk about toxic masculinity how more needs to be done to protect women! :har:
Aww, same tired old BS about Clinton, always a Trumpette tactic. Poor babies, can't come up with anything that makes sense when defending that POS in the White House! Mover and a shaker,LOL The only thing that shakes is his big head when he has a tantrum!! He can't even move his bowels without Graham or McConnell helping him!!:haha::haha:
FullMetalADCAP
01-29-19, 11:50 PM
Aww, same tired old BS about Clinton, always a Trumpette tactic. Poor babies, can't come up with anything that makes sense when defending that POS in the White House! Mover and a shaker,LOL The only thing that shakes is his big head when he has a tantrum!! He can't even move his bowels without Graham or McConnell helping him!!:haha::haha:
Tell us how you REALLY feel eddie! :)
Speaking of "same tired old BS" ...
What is it with you and all the homosexual references to the president with another man? Is this your own insecurities about your own sexuality coming out in spits and spats on here? (calming understanding voice) And it's ok if it is. Don't be afraid to take that next step and open that closet door. We're here for you eddie!
Buddahaid
01-30-19, 12:15 AM
So now it comes to personal attacks. I should report that post.
FullMetalADCAP
01-30-19, 12:25 AM
So now it comes to personal attacks. I should report that post.
The one where he calls me and other Trump supporters "Trumpettes" and "poor babies?" Or my questioning his continuation of bigoted and "homophobic" usage of the act of homosexuality to try to put down President Trump and other Republican officials with me spinning that nonsense right back around on him? Hmm, who's really being the offensive one? :hmmm:
Buddahaid
01-30-19, 12:30 AM
Really? Those are not personal attacks and amount to the same thing as calling anybody on the left of the far right snowflakes. I don't like that but it's not personal.
FullMetalADCAP
01-30-19, 12:43 AM
Really? Those are not personal attacks and amount to the same thing as calling anybody on the left of the far right snowflakes. I don't like that but it's not personal.
I'll admit the name calling wasn't as offensive as his continued and blatant usage of homosexual references to offend Trump supporters on here. When you use homosexual references to demean someone, it's bigoted and homophobic is it not? Because you're basically saying that such people and the act they perform is wrong.
And this is the Left's own rules about homosexuality as a matter of fact. So I'm using the Left's own rule book and tactics against the Leftists that can't even follow their side's own rules and tactics about not disparaging people of the LGBT community! I only did what he did by spinning his LGBT bigotry right back on him with a bit of mental reverse judo.
Where did I call anyone a snowflake? Or even a name at all? I just called him out on his homophobia and hopefully taught him a lesson that that's not cool bruh. I mean, if you're going to be a Leftist, you got to follow their rules and be a Leftist.
I believe part of why Trump won so soundly is because so many Leftists, including Hillary, were stumped on their own hypocrisy. Things she said in the past about black men being "super predators" and then suddenly she's this black-supporting angel? Many black men didn't buy it. People don't like the "do as I say, not as I do" folks that much. Hillary is why Hillary lost the election.
And I do think calling someone a "snowflake" is a personal attack on them. You're basically calling them a weak/fragile person. It's a term used to be demeaning towards people is it not? It should be taken offensively and considered as such.
<---- Hey look, I'm Popeye! Awesomesauce!
ikalugin
01-30-19, 12:54 AM
And who would be the sponsor of this revolution and endless war?
The west ofcourse, just like in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia and so on.
I mean you are talking about western humanitarian intervention, no?
P.s. gonna attend an INF related event tomorrow, can be good.
Catfish
01-30-19, 05:15 AM
The west ofcourse, just like in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia and so on.
I mean you are talking about western humanitarian intervention, no? [...]
You got to admit that the US sell it to the world in a more successfull way, than e.g. Russia :03:
ikalugin
01-30-19, 05:20 AM
You got to admit that the US sell it to the world in a more successfull way, than e.g. Russia :03:
US is the current global hegemon after all.
Atleast the current crisis in Venezuela does not look like the Suez did for the British and French.
Jimbuna
01-30-19, 07:58 AM
So now it comes to personal attacks. I should report that post.
No need, other reports have been received so I'll make one request for civility and also remind ALL post contributors that name calling and personal attacks will not be tolerated. If anyone is unsure then simply refer to the forum rules: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_ad_hominem
Keep discussions civil
When discussing a topic, be civil. Agree or disagree with someone but do not attack them, explain your point of view and use facts, logic and persuasion to engage them. No trolling, gif-baiting, or Ad Hominem attacks.
Thanks in advance.
Platapus
01-30-19, 03:44 PM
I trust the President knows a bit about the process and what is needed to make a quality wall. :03:
I suspect that Trump has never taken Acquisition 101 nor is listening to anyone who had.
There is still a lot of stuff that has to be done before this wall can even be started. I hope that Trump does think that once congress appropriates the money that he can sole source a contract and start laying bricks the next week. :nope:
For a major acquisition effort like this, even if it gets an "emergency" priority has about a year's worth of reporting, evaluating, specing, more research before they can get to anywhere close to a contract. There are requirements that need to be investigated and documented, alternatives evaluated, designed that need to be finalized and a formal acquisition plan to be approved. All this takes time.
This is even ignoring the currently filed court cases which will also slow this down.
I seriously doubt that Trump is aware or even cares about how major acquisition programs are handled in the government. It is not the same as civilians building a hotel.
Mr Quatro
01-30-19, 03:50 PM
I love Trump, but what if the wall goes way past the projected $5.7 billion dollar cost? Some estimates go as high as $21 billion dollars.
I see the need for a wall (or the wall), but as long as Trump is fighting a losing battle, even in his own conservative party, he should just settle for half of the requested $5.7 billion.
Then order the wall to be constructed just on the Mexico/Texas side of the border till he can prove that the wall works.
If the left wing party of naysayers don't agree ... They lose now and in 2020. :yep:
Still cheaper and more practical than California's bullet train project, which is projected to cost at least 77 billion as of march 2018.
Rockstar
01-30-19, 04:51 PM
I love Trump, but what if the wall goes way past the projected $5.7 billion dollar cost? Some estimates go as high as $21 billion dollars.
I see the need for a wall (or the wall), but as long as Trump is fighting a losing battle, even in his own conservative party, he should just settle for half of the requested $5.7 billion.
Then order the wall to be constructed just on the Mexico/Texas side of the border till he can prove that the wall works.
If the left wing party of naysayers don't agree ... They lose now and in 2020. :yep:
Throwing numbers around without a plan isn't a plan.
FullMetalADCAP
01-30-19, 05:19 PM
Throwing numbers around without a plan isn't a plan.
"We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it, away from the fog of the controversy" - Nancy Pelosi
So why was it okay to pass Obamacare without anyone knowing the full details? But now Dems want all the details about the wall?
http://i.qkme.me/3q7zv1.jpg
Rockstar
01-30-19, 05:31 PM
I didn't say it was OK.
FullMetalADCAP
01-30-19, 06:40 PM
I didn't say it was OK.
My post was directed at Nancy Pelosi and not you.
Rockstar
01-30-19, 06:49 PM
Nancy Pelosi is here?
Buddahaid
01-30-19, 06:49 PM
She's not a member....
u crank
01-30-19, 06:52 PM
She's a lurker. :O:
FullMetalADCAP
01-30-19, 07:29 PM
Nancy Pelosi is here?
:hmmm:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-gift-aging/201304/people-autism-spectrum-disorder-take-things-literally
Buddahaid
01-30-19, 07:53 PM
We know.
Mr Quatro
01-30-19, 07:56 PM
I didn't say it was OK.
My post was directed at Nancy Pelosi and not you.
Nancy Pelosi is here?
She's not a member....
She's a lurker. :O:
Nancy Pelosi is in the bilge :yep:
Buddahaid
01-30-19, 08:19 PM
Nancy Pelosi is in the bilge :yep:
Building a wall....
em2nought
01-30-19, 09:04 PM
Nancy Pelosi is a Jonah. :arrgh!:
Rockstar
01-30-19, 09:22 PM
Nancy Pelosi is in the bilge :yep:
Building a wall....
Are you for real? When is it supposed to be completed? I cant imagine someone her age building a wall in a bilge. She must work out.
Maybe Trump should announce that the wall has already been built. His followers are so gullible that they will believe him and it will save the country billions of dollars.:D
FullMetalADCAP
01-30-19, 09:37 PM
Are you for real? When is it supposed to be completed? I cant imagine someone her age building a wall in a bilge. She must work out.
I don't think she even knows her own name anymore. She's has diagnosed dementia does she not? How is a person with something as serious as dementia allowed to even be serving in the government, much less in the position she's in? She shouldn't even be allowed to greet people at Walmart. She needs to be in a nursing home.
FullMetalADCAP
01-30-19, 09:42 PM
Maybe Trump should announce that the wall has already been built. His followers are so gullible that they will believe him and it will save the country billions of dollars.:D
The more you hate him, the more I love him. It lets me know he's doing a great job! :03:
TRUMP 2020 #MAGA
TRUMP 2024 #KING OF THE USA FOR LIFE!! (I'm down for this. Hell yeah!)
Rockstar
01-30-19, 09:48 PM
I don't think she even knows her own name anymore. She's has diagnosed dementia does she not? How is a person with something as serious as dementia allowed to even be serving in the government, much less in the position she's in? She shouldn't even be allowed to greet people at Walmart. She needs to be in a nursing home.
If she's sent to a nursing home who's going to finish the wall Buddahaid said she was building? She must know her name, its on the door to her office. She hasn't gone into Trump's office by mistake yet has she?
The more you hate him, the more I love him. It lets me know he's doing a great job! :03:
TRUMP 2020 #MAGA
TRUMP 2024 #KING OF THE USA FOR LIFE!! (I'm down for this. Hell yeah!)
MAGA has new new meaning when it comes to Trump's cronies!:D
https://i.postimg.cc/vTXMD4VR/50324503-2443059055767656-7683549239590256640-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
FullMetalADCAP
01-30-19, 11:25 PM
MAGA has new new meaning when it comes to Trump's cronies!:D
But not Trump himself! :O:
The more you hate him, the more I love him. It lets me know he's doing a great job! :03:This is what it's all about for a lot of Trump supporters; he makes people angry which *somehow* shows he is doing a good job. :doh:
em2nought
01-31-19, 03:13 AM
Speaking of making people angry.
It's been fifty-five days, where is Ruth Bader Ginsburg? Why is the mainstream media not on the job? Just look what they were doing after not seeing Melania for twenty days.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=melania+mia&t=ffab&ia=web
FullMetalADCAP
01-31-19, 04:13 AM
Speaking of making people angry.
It's been fifty-five days, where is Ruth Bader Ginsburg? Why is the mainstream media not on the job? Just look what they were doing after not seeing Melania for twenty days.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=melania+mia&t=ffab&ia=web
The DNC probably has her in some secret lab and extracting her brain to put into some sort of robot frame, hoping she won't be declared dead so Trump can't replace her with another nominee.
I think he should pick Trey Gowdy as his next SCOTUS nominee. :yeah:
FullMetalADCAP
01-31-19, 04:30 AM
This is what it's all about for a lot of Trump supporters; he makes people angry which *somehow* shows he is doing a good job. :doh:
I swear, the more y'all REEEEEEEE the more I love Trump! :D
I swear, the more y'all REEEEEEEE the more I love Trump! :DLove all you want. It just seems to me that for many Trump supporters there's nothing to defend him with than "Haha, Librul tears!!!1". If that is what in your mind makes for a good president, then good for you.
FullMetalADCAP
01-31-19, 04:51 AM
Love all you want. It just seems to me that for many Trump supporters there's nothing to defend him with than "Haha, Librul tears!!!1". If that is what in your mind makes for a good president, then good for you.
I can't speak for others but your tears are delicious Dowly! Mmmm, so salty! :) Come on, give me some more of your REEEEEEE :wah::wah::wah:
Even the Lama in your profile looks like it's REEEEEEing! :haha:
Your honor, I rest my case.
PS. It's an alpaca.
FullMetalADCAP
01-31-19, 05:35 AM
Your honor, I rest my case.
PS. It's an alpaca.
Haha :) this scene came to mind...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwf0MrxCAHk
Onkel Neal
01-31-19, 06:14 AM
Remember, make your points and don't make it personal.
Onkel Neal
02-01-19, 06:25 AM
The election just got interesting ... (Howard Schultz kicks off potential bid to unseat Trump... by attacking Democrats)
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190128140827-schultz-starbucks-meeting-medium-plus-169.jpg
And some Democratic organizations have begun building a research book on the former CEO, preparing to sully his candidacy, should he run.
Mr Quatro
02-01-19, 11:31 AM
The election just got interesting ... (Howard Schultz kicks off potential bid to unseat Trump... by attacking Democrats)
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190128140827-schultz-starbucks-meeting-medium-plus-169.jpg
Yes, both sides are just as bad or should I say three sides ... when it comes to politics. :o
Howard is thinking of running as an independant and the democrats think that (as the last time it happen to Gore too) it would hurt their party more than the GOP's party. :yep:
em2nought
02-01-19, 11:37 AM
It almo$t make$ $en$e that $omeone who think$ a cup of covfefe $hould be $4.00 would want to run "our" government. :D
Mr Quatro
02-01-19, 11:48 AM
It almo$t make$ $en$e that $omeone who think$ a cup of covfefe $hould be $4.00 would want to run "our" government. :D
Less than $2.00 if you don't go fancy:
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Platapus
02-01-19, 02:13 PM
Just what we need. Another businessman with no experience running for president. :nope:
The office of PotUS is not an entry level position.
Buddahaid
02-01-19, 02:58 PM
Sure it is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_eligibility_legislation
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