US Politics Thread 2016-2020 [Archive] - Page 37

Rockstar

03-26-20, 10:07 AM

Yes my understanding is a single member state may temporarily reestablish their old border controls for up to 30 days (did anyone do that?). However if the entire Schengen Area is at risk the Council may, based on a proposal from the Commission, recommend that one or more Member States decide to reintroduce border control at all or at specific parts of their internal borders.
Your Schengen area was at risk and your Council didn't act to close the borders of Schengen Area until it was way over due.

From my perspective, this is what made the decision to close the Schengen Area not the individual Sovereign. Kinda looks like the U.N. and we all know how effective that is.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/European-parliament-strasbourg-inside.jpg

And of course your appointed President.

https://europa.eu/european-union/sites/europaeu/files/img/body/von-der-leyen.jpg

On a side note take a look at https://flightaware.com/live/ it seems everyone is still importing and exporting COVID-19. :doh:

Dowly

03-26-20, 10:39 AM

Yes my understanding is a single member state may temporarily reestablish their old border controls for up to 30 days (did anyone do that?).Yes. Number of countries did close their borders either partially or fully prior to any 'permission' from the EU. And again, no permission is needed. If all Schengen area countries decide to close their borders then it is irrelevant whether the Schengen agreement stays on or is suspended since no free travel takes place anyway.

Mr Quatro

03-26-20, 10:44 AM

But hey it is all the fault of the EU, of course. I must have written this a hundred times here.

I'm wondering? Has EU helped Italy or Spain with the covid-19 problem or have they just been worried about themselves in their own little countries?

Rockstar

03-26-20, 11:22 AM

Dowly

03-26-20, 11:32 AM

Oh my bad. All those sovereign nations acting in unison the day after, what the 17th of March was it? 4 months after Coronavirus had been made known to the world closed their borders. This right after the appointed E.U. president made her announcement regarding Schengen. That was just a coincidence, got it. :yeah:
Malta, Slovakia and the Czech Republic -all of which are Schengen countries- announced they close their borders on March 13.

So, again, no permission from EU needed.

mapuc

03-26-20, 11:46 AM

Regarding this border controls

Denmark have had border controls since Jan. 2016 and have been extended several times.
Every time the Danish government does this, they have so to say been
called on the carpet by the EU.

It is however first time they have closed the border so tight as they have now.

Markus

Jimbuna

03-26-20, 02:01 PM

Well Jim just remember.
https://i.postimg.cc/RZLkGXYP/Cwc-Sroh-WQAAidkg-jpg-large-1jpg.jpg

Have to concur there :yep:

Catfish

03-26-20, 02:09 PM

I can assure you:
We are doing our best to follow suit :03:

Onkel Neal

03-27-20, 09:51 AM

Lets face it the U.S. isnt quite number one in infections just yet. Schengen Area with its population of 400 million is still number one and growing. With that I mind I just dont understand the euros infactuation and focus on Trump. Seems they have enough problems in their own backyard to contend with.

They do have their problems but who can ignore the complete disaster Trumpo is inflicting upon himself.

If he has been wise and proactive and taken this seriously, he would be a hero.

He didn't, so he's a bumbling idiot. Pretty simple.

Dowly

03-27-20, 09:58 AM

They do have their problems but who can ignore the complete disaster Trumpo is inflicting upon himself.

If he has been wise and proactive and taken this seriously, he would be a hero.

He didn't, so he's a bumbling idiot. Pretty simple.
Exactly this. He is an idiot put in charge of a situation he doesn't know how to handle so he reverts to downplay its seriousness and giving false hope and reassurances. It's dangerous and reckless.

“I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be,” he said. “I don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/26/trump-ventilators-coronavirus-151311

Onkel Neal

03-27-20, 10:18 AM

Love your sig pic, lol

August

03-27-20, 10:20 AM

They do have their problems but who can ignore the complete disaster Trumpo is inflicting upon himself.

If he has been wise and proactive and taken this seriously, he would be a hero.

He didn't, so he's a bumbling idiot. Pretty simple.

And yet President Trumps approval rating both against the virus and in general continues to rise in spite of your views. Go figure right? :doh:

Skybird

03-27-20, 10:22 AM

I put this into both threads intentionally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWFr6khY2U4

Jimbuna

03-27-20, 10:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGZpSn1tr54

Rockstar

03-27-20, 11:45 AM

Malta, Slovakia and the Czech Republic -all of which are Schengen countries- announced they close their borders on March 13.

So, again, no permission from EU needed.

Three countries took it upon thrmselves to finally close their borders 4 months into the outbreak but according Schengen laws can only do so for up to 30 days. afterwhich what happens then? any idea? Does the appointed president extend it or do they have to leave the Union? What about the others in the beloved union who waited to jump only after your appointed president 'politely advised' doing so? so much for the idea of sovereigns having the best interests of their subjects in mind huh? Furthermore not all Schengen Area particants have closed their borders with each other either. For example Germany, France, Poland business as usual. Your infectons and deaths keep growing and growing and growing. Face facts the E.U. leadership is a bunch of idiots leading their 400 million plus population right down same road as everyone else.

Dowly

03-27-20, 12:15 PM

Three countries took it upon thrmselves to finally close their borders 4 months into the outbreak but according Schengen laws can only do so for up to 30 days. afterwhich what happens then? any idea? Does the appointed president extend it or do they have to leave the Union?After the 30 day period, the nation then evaluates if it can open borders or not. The EU has no say in that other than offering opinion, it has no veto power over that.

What about the others in the beloved union who waited to jump only after your appointed president 'politely advised' doing so? so much for the idea of sovereigns having the best interests of their subjects in mind huh? This is really a 'chicken or egg' question. I've not heard anyone in our government here in Finland say that we are closing borders because it was suggested, or that we got a permission to do so. So, was it the numerous EU nations already planning/discussing closing their borders that made EU announce it or vice versa?

Furthermore not all Schengen Area particants have closed their borders with each other either. For example Germany, France, Poland business as usual. Your infectons and deaths keep growing and growing and growing. Face facts the E.U. leadership is a bunch of idiots leading their 400 million plus population right down same road as everyone else.Well, first of all what you say about not all internal borders being closed is true which in turn further shows that each nation acts independently without orders or permissions from the EU in this matter. As to your second point, again nations make the decision to close borders. I'm not sure what you're not understanding about this all, but man does it get tiring having to repeat the same thing over and over.

Rockstar

03-27-20, 01:16 PM

After the 30 day period, the nation then evaluates if it can open borders or not. The EU has no say in that other than offering opinion, it has no veto power over that.

This is really a 'chicken or egg' question. I've not heard anyone in our government here in Finland say that we are closing borders because it was suggested, or that we got a permission to do so. So, was it the numerous EU nations already planning/discussing closing their borders that made EU announce it or vice versa?

Well, first of all what you say about not all internal borders being closed is true which in turn further shows that each nation acts independently without orders or permissions from the EU in this matter. As to your second point, again nations make the decision to close borders. I'm not sure what you're not understanding about this all, but man does it get tiring having to repeat the same thing over and over.

Schengen Area infections 289,000 deaths: 17,400

Seems like the world is filled with idiots. Oh, and good luck with your illusion of sovereignty.

Onkel Neal

03-27-20, 01:29 PM

After the 30 day period, the nation then evaluates if it can open borders or not. The EU has no say in that other than offering opinion, it has no veto power over that.

This is really a 'chicken or egg' question. I've not heard anyone in our government here in Finland say that we are closing borders because it was suggested, or that we got a permission to do so. So, was it the numerous EU nations already planning/discussing closing their borders that made EU announce it or vice versa?

Well, first of all what you say about not all internal borders being closed is true which in turn further shows that each nation acts independently without orders or permissions from the EU in this matter. As to your second point, again nations make the decision to close borders. I'm not sure what you're not understanding about this all, but man does it get tiring having to repeat the same thing over and over.

IMO, anytime someone suggests "closing the border" there's a wave of knee-jerk reactions against it. Illegals flooding in? Close the border. That's racist!
With this pandemic, the US should close its borders to Finland, for example.
And Finland should close its border to the US.

No hard feelings, we're in this together and errecting firebreaks is good for you and me.

The Trumpmeister still has not shut down domestic air travel. Yeah, so, thousands of New Yorkers are spreading out across the country.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=3013&d=1585333790

Dowly

03-27-20, 01:34 PM

Oh, and good luck with your illusion of sovereignty.Ok, seriously. Tell me what you are having hard time with and I try my best and explain it as easily as I can.

I can start with this:
The Schengen Borders Code provides Member States with the capability of temporarily reintroducing border control at the internal borders in the event that a serious threat to public policy or internal security has been established.

The reintroduction of border control at the internal borders must remain an exception and must respect the principle of proportionality. The scope and duration of such a temporary reintroduction of border control at the internal borders is limited in time and should be restricted to the bare minimum needed to respond to the threat in question. Reintroducing border control at the internal border should only ever be used as a measure of last resort.

The reintroduction of border control is a prerogative of the Member States. The Commission may issue an opinion with regard to the necessity of the measure and its proportionality but cannot veto such a decision if it is taken by a Member State.
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control_en

Dowly

03-27-20, 01:42 PM

IMO, anytime someone suggests "closing the border" there's a wave of knee-jerk reactions against it. Illegals flooding in? Close the border. That's racist!
With this pandemic, the US should close its borders to Finland, for example.
And Finland should close its border to the US.
The knee-jerk reaction is more so about the reasoning behind the border closure than anything else. Building a wall to prevent S.Americans from entering the US because they cause crime (eventho studies say they are less eager to commit crimes because they might be discovered to be illegals) and trying to stop a pandemic are two very different things. In my mind at least.
No hard feelings, we're in this together and errecting firebreaks is good for you and me.Just keep the titty movies flowing through the interwebs this way and I'm happy.

The Trumpmeister still has not shut down domestic air travel. Yeah, so, thousands of New Yorkers are spreading out across the country.And this is something that can be compared directly to the EU for example. I'm not familiar if states can close their borders from out-of-state travellers over there, but here we atleast have that option (with nations).

(Sorry for double-post)

Catfish

03-27-20, 01:44 PM

Schengen Area infections 289,000 deaths: 17,400 wait for it..
Seems like the world is filled with idiots. Oh, and good luck with your illusion of sovereignty.
What do you mean with sovereignty here?
We are quite happy we can help each other out, from hospital beds to medicine, to technical support. It was very dumb to close the borders one after another, with delays. A general directive to stay home for all of Europe and then concentrate on the infection centers would have been much more helpful. But with Romania, Hungary and now Poland we are stuck in the 20ieth century :shifty:

Rockstar

03-27-20, 02:03 PM

As late as MARCH 11th this idiot is still saying this! Sad thing is you keep voting her in office.

March 11, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said, “In Germany, we believe that border closings are not the answer to fight the spread of the Covid-19 epidemic.” Her sentiment was echoed later that day by German Health Minister Jens Spahn, who stated, “We are not going to get rid of the virus by closing our borders. The virus is already with us and we have to get used to the idea.”

On March 15, the German newspaper Bild reported that Merkel was still blocking all attempts by members of her cabinet to impose border controls. The infighting, however, had cost Germany valuable time in trying to contain the spread of the virus.

Writing for the influential German blog Tichys Einblick, commentator Ferdinand Knauss, explained that Merkel was blocking border controls because the dogma of open borders is an ideological pillar of Merkelism:

“In that fateful year of 2015, the ‘open borders’ became a conditio sine qua non [indispensable condition] for the continuation of Merkelism. That is why the dogma must be maintained. Merkel knows that the instruction to close the border, in general to take consistent national measures to protect her own citizens, would be tantamount to her own declaration of political bankruptcy.Idiots in politics the world is filled with them

Jeff-Groves

03-27-20, 02:05 PM

Oops!
Thought this was the US POLITICS thread.

Mr Quatro

03-27-20, 02:09 PM

Oops!
Thought this was the US POLITICS thread.

how observant of you my friend :up:

Rockstar

03-27-20, 02:19 PM

1 March 2020

“Finland is well prepared to now manage the individual cases to detect and then respond, so that further infections are very unlikely” says Taneli Puumalainen, THL’s Chief Medical Officer.

16 March 2020

Finland declares state of emergency

Hope your grand system of government can handle it
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/23/finland-health-system-failing-welfare-state-high-taxes

Jeff-Groves

03-27-20, 02:28 PM

And this is US POLITICS how?
:06:

Dowly

03-27-20, 02:31 PM

And this is US POLITICS how?
:06:https://i.imgur.com/pNEZG7H.png

Jeff-Groves

03-27-20, 02:33 PM

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6279208448/hA112EF3E/hello-dog-this-is-cat-is-your-frigerator-runnin

Catfish

03-27-20, 02:50 PM

Is that a call back from god?

Jeff-Groves

03-27-20, 03:05 PM

https://catplanet.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/HELLO-DOG-THIS-IS-CAT.jpg

mapuc

03-27-20, 03:43 PM

Headlines in a Danish news paper, seen less than 1 minute ago.

"Americans love Trump's positive attitude"

A little part of this article

"a new poll conducted by Gallup shows that as many as 60 percent of Americans are well pleased with the president's positive attitude and his efforts against the corona virus.

The same survey shows that 49 percent of the US population is happy with the president's efforts overall "

So there you have it..you love your President

Markus

Onkel Neal

03-27-20, 05:39 PM

The same survey shows that 49 percent of the US population is happy with the president's efforts overall "

So there you have it..you love your President

Markus

49% of the country would back the Trump even if murdered someone, He said it and they agree. That's about to be tested.

August

03-27-20, 06:15 PM

49% of the country would back the Trump even if murdered someone, He said it and they agree.

C'mon man, that's a lie and you know it. Trump never said that he'd murder anyone.

mapuc

03-27-20, 06:19 PM

C'mon man, that's a lie and you know it. Trump never said that he'd murder anyone.

Didn't he say something with that he could do it and easily get away with it ?

Markus

u crank

03-27-20, 07:41 PM

Didn't he say something with that he could do it and easily get away with it ?

Markus

He didn't say he could get away with it. He said he wouldn't lose any voters.

He was obviously kidding.

Buddahaid

03-27-20, 07:53 PM

That's being put to the test now......

August

03-27-20, 08:05 PM

He didn't say he could get away with it. He said he wouldn't lose any voters.

He was obviously kidding.

When asked if they agreed one of his supporters said it would all depend on who it was.

u crank

03-27-20, 08:21 PM

That's being put to the test now......

It's always being put to the test. For every politician. All the time.

Onkel Neal

03-27-20, 09:21 PM

Tis true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

More of an indictment of his followers than him.

em2nought

03-28-20, 03:10 AM

Tis true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

More of an indictment of his followers than him.

More of an indictment of those who came before him. :03:

Dowly

03-28-20, 06:25 AM

1 March 2020

“Finland is well prepared to now manage the individual cases to detect and then respond, so that further infections are very unlikely” says Taneli Puumalainen, THL’s Chief Medical Officer.

16 March 2020

Finland declares state of emergency
Breaking news: In life, situations change! After the break: Water is wet!

Hope your grand system of government can handle it
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/23/finland-health-system-failing-welfare-state-high-taxesYou had to dig up an opinion piece from 2016 that is not even relevant to what we're talking about to *try* take a jab at something, anything. Stop before you make yourself look even more of a fool.

u crank

03-28-20, 07:14 AM

... then Biden will be a place holder for the next four years (he has already indicated he really doesn't want to serve more than one term) ....

https://i.imgur.com/eA3SXma.png?1

Seems pretty desperate.:D

August

03-28-20, 10:58 AM

More of an indictment of those who came before him. :03:

I love the response:

CNN hosted a panel of female voters from swing counties in Pennsylvania, with one of them asserting that there was nothing President Donald Trump could do that would get her to stop supporting him, suggesting that she'd continue to back him if he shot someone in public.
"Is there anything he could do, or anything that could happen, that would make you not vote for him?" CNN anchor Alisyn Camerota asked.
"No," the panelist, Crystal Arlington, responded.
Camerota then asked: "If he shot someone on Fifth Avenue [in New York City], would you vote for him?"
Panelist Marian Taylor was the first to reply, saying: "You'd have to know why he shot him."
"Yeah, why did he shoot him?" Arlington interjected, echoing Taylor's comment.https://www.newsweek.com/cnn-asks-pennsylvania-voters-if-theyd-back-trump-if-he-shot-someone-voter-responds-why-did-he-1470108

The American people are hardly the bleary eyed robots the Dem media tries to portray us as. We think for ourselves.

kraznyi_oktjabr

03-28-20, 11:08 AM

Breaking news: In life, situations change! After the break: Water is wet!I would like to add, that it wasn't immediate and unexpected turnaround as presented by Rockstar. Finnish government has adjusted its response overtime based on collected information and expert advice rather than mood of the president/prime minister as seems to be in some countries. Could it have been better? I'm sure professional review with benefit of hindsight will find something.

I would also like to point out that actions of governments should be evaluated based on progress of pandemic rather than calendar. At the moment Finland is many weeks behind Italy and few weeks behind other Nordic countries and that is great thing to us: We can observe and evaluate other's actions and avoid repeating mistakes. It also mean that government actions which happen at same calendar time with other countries (i.e. border closures in nothern Europe) actually happen earlier in pandemic timeline. Ofcourse this advantage does not guarantee that Finnish government's actions will be better than those in other European counties or elsewhere.

Buddahaid

03-28-20, 11:57 AM

I love the response:

https://www.newsweek.com/cnn-asks-pennsylvania-voters-if-theyd-back-trump-if-he-shot-someone-voter-responds-why-did-he-1470108

The American people are hardly the bleary eyed robots the Dem media tries to portray us as. We think for ourselves.

Yeah, we're special just like everyone else.

Onkel Neal

03-28-20, 01:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7_t2Ri2Zg

August

03-28-20, 01:32 PM

Yeah, we're special just like everyone else.

We're not special, we're just not the drones the Democrats think we are.

Buddahaid

03-28-20, 01:50 PM

And Democrats are what? Anti drones?

August

03-28-20, 01:51 PM

And Democrats are what? Anti drones?

I don't know, you tell me. I thought we were talking about Trump voters.

Buddahaid

03-28-20, 04:33 PM

You said "The American people" not Trump voters. I suppose that means Democrats aren't Americans in your eyes.

mapuc

03-28-20, 04:56 PM

During the evening I have in our news program been hearing them saying.

"Trump is preparing/planning on/to put New York on quarantine."

Can he do that and what law will he use ?

Markus

Jeff-Groves

03-28-20, 06:41 PM

Some States around New York are already stopping vehicles with New York plates from entering.
That's the States working on the States level.

Mr Quatro

03-28-20, 07:13 PM

I don't think what Trump is doing is legal yet till someone pases a law about shutting down the State line to traffic much less the airports and cruise ships in New York, Jersey.

My first thoughts are that Trump wants to open up the rest of the country after the two week shut down ordered by the CDC two weeks ago Tuesday.
The ones that have only a few reported cases, which would not include Washington or California or Louisiana.

If the shut is working extend it till everything peaks at least :yep:

Jeff-Groves

03-28-20, 07:21 PM

The States do have that power.

Mr Quatro

03-28-20, 08:27 PM

I think he finally got some good advice :yep:

Coronavirus Update: President Trump Says Tri-State Area Quarantine ‘Will Not Be Necessary’

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Trump+quarantine+not+necessary&filters=tnTID%3a%22E6DA4F53-D608-457a-860A-806F672658C7%22+tnVersion%3a%223457098%22+segment% 3a%22popularnow.carousel%22+tnCol%3a%223%22+tnOrde r%3a%22da20fd95-fe1d-40a0-918e-ad3c3bc3d5d1%22&FORM=CNTPNH

President Donald Trump tweeted Saturday night that a quarantine in the tri-state area “will not be necessary.”

August

03-28-20, 09:51 PM

You said "The American people" not Trump voters. I suppose that means Democrats aren't Americans in your eyes.

"Democrats aren't American?", what, are you feeling rejected Budda? This was about the Dem media and their party handlers.

Nice try though. Maybe when Trump wins reelection the Democrats will turn their Resist Movement into an actual rebellion and you'll get your wish and i'll start thinking of Democrat voters like you want me to.

Jeff-Groves

03-28-20, 10:14 PM

You Guys are my favorite entertainment while self locked down.
:haha:
:up:

Now don't take that wrong!
I read what you both post then adjust for all the vitriol and learn stuff.
Thanks.
And I do mean that in a good way!

kraznyi_oktjabr

03-29-20, 08:47 AM

The States do have that power.Please correct me, if I misunderstood. This power is on state level and federal government does not have such powers? If that is the case, then this looks like another attempt to claim credit on other's actions. Latter is based on understanding, that Mr. Tump's actions (tweets and legal) with General Motors and Ford fall into same category. Again, correct me if I'm wrong here.

Sailor Steve

03-29-20, 10:03 AM

Please correct me, if I misunderstood. This power is on state level and federal government does not have such powers?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

It was the People who created the Constitution, and it only came into effect after 9 of the 13 States had ratified it. The Constitution is the Law of the Land, but itself was created for a purpose, and it must follow that purpose. If parts of the Constitution are misused they can be altered. It's not easy, nor should it be, but it is possible.

mapuc

03-29-20, 10:59 AM

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

It was the People who created the Constitution, and it only came into effect after 9 of the 13 States had ratified it. The Constitution is the Law of the Land, but itself was created for a purpose, and it must follow that purpose. If parts of the Constitution are misused they can be altered. It's not easy, nor should it be, but it is possible.

An another question from an outsider(non-American)

I could understand if this amendment was (And now I forgot the word)

But now your country is in a state of emergency and do you not have other laws that so to say take over some of your amendment ?

Markus

MaDef

03-29-20, 08:01 PM

But now your country is in a state of emergency and do you not have other laws that so to say take over some of your amendment ?Yes and no, the Defense Production Act, (has been around for 70 yrs) allows the President to take certain liberties during an emergency, however he still has to work through congress.

Mr Quatro

03-29-20, 09:24 PM

Yes and no, the Defense Production Act, (has been around for 70 yrs) allows the President to take certain liberties during an emergency, however he still has to work through congress.

You know that puzzle game that has one space missing and you have to move everything around to spell something?

Same with the Congress and the Senate and the White House

In order for the WH to get what it wants it has to have the US Congress and the Senate votes all on their side to get what they want.

In the middle 60's President Johnson could just pick up the phone and call Sam Rayburn the speaker of the House and ask for and get anything he wanted. :yep:

Skybird

03-30-20, 07:09 AM

Because the “Ratings” of my News Conferences etc. are so high, “Bachelor finale, Monday Night Football type numbers” according to the @nytimes (https://twitter.com/nytimes)
, the Lamestream Media is going CRAZY. “Trump is reaching too many people, we must stop him.” said one lunatic. See you at 5:00 P.M.!

“President Trump is a ratings hit. Since reviving the daily White House briefing Mr. Trump and his coronavirus updates have attracted an average audience of 8.5 million on cable news, roughly the viewership of the season finale of ‘The Bachelor.’ Numbers are continuing to rise...

...On Monday, nearly 12.2 million people watched Mr. Trump’s briefing on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC, according to Nielsen — ‘Monday Night Football’ numbers. Millions more are watching on ABC, CBS, NBC and online streaming sites, and the audience is expanding. On Monday, Fox News...

...alone attracted 6.2 million viewers for the president’s briefing — an astounding number for a 6 p.m. cable broadcast, more akin to the viewership for a popular prime-time sitcom...

..The CBS News poll said 13 percent of Republicans trusted the news media for information about the virus.” Michael M. Grynbaum @NYTimes (https://twitter.com/nytimes)

Wowh, If only he would know the stuff that really matters as well as he knows his TV quotas.

This rotten character is sick, sick, sick. The morgues in new York are full, New Orleans goes down the drain, millions sit at home, scared, not knowing where to go and what to expect next - and this shabby carricature of a human being cares most for his TV appeareance and prioritizes polishing his sick ego before everything else. Even when he presents another of his fantastic law acts into the camera, he demands his staff to stand crowded behind him, shoulder to shoulder, in complete ignorrance of the signs of the times.

Sick, sick, sick.

Edit.
Twitter deletes tweets by Bolsonaro, and a court has ordered Bolsonaro to stop agitating against governors who try to repair the damages that Bolsonaro does, and who do thing sin their priovinces that Bolsonaro wants to see not getting done. Maybe Twitter should consider the same regarding Bolsonaro's American twin brother. If the SHTF, then shut off the fan for a start.

Jimbuna

03-30-20, 12:36 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/3RXcynwc/coronavirus-mask.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

August

03-30-20, 06:43 PM

Pic

Good thing he wasn't taped up when he ordered flights suspended from China and Europe right?

August

04-02-20, 04:32 PM

:haha:

The Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a President Trump supporter -- despite news reports (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166) that she ingested the dangerous drug because she trusted what she thought was the president's advice.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-woman-fish-tank-cleaner-trump-democrat

eddie

04-02-20, 09:28 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/3RXcynwc/coronavirus-mask.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Buddahaid

04-02-20, 09:34 PM

:haha:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-woman-fish-tank-cleaner-trump-democrat

Yeah, pretty funny how ignorant people hurt themselves. Ha ha. :down:

MaDef

04-02-20, 11:23 PM

THEY INGESTED IT BECAUSE THEY WERE STUPID.

Buddahaid

04-02-20, 11:25 PM

Does that make it funny?

MaDef

04-03-20, 09:00 AM

Not Funny, but ironic in a sad sort of way, I'm pretty confident that on the back of that package of fish tank cleaner there was a warning against ingesting it.

August

04-03-20, 12:26 PM

Yeah, pretty funny how ignorant people hurt themselves. Ha ha. :down:

No, what I am laughing at is the medias assumption that they were Trump supporters, but point taken. I will not expect to see you post in any Darwin Awards type of threads from here out seeing as how much it you dislike making fun of stupid people right?

Dowly

04-03-20, 01:14 PM

No, what I am laughing at is the medias assumption that they were Trump supporters, but point taken. I will not expect to see you post in any Darwin Awards type of threads from here out seeing as how much it you dislike making fun of stupid people right?Can't say I followed the story past its initial reporting, but from that it was never said they were Trump supporters, but that they tried the chemical because they saw Trump speak about it as a possible treatment for COVID-19.

Catfish

04-03-20, 01:37 PM

U.S. big bucks turn global face mask hunt into 'Wild West' (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-masks/u-s-big-bucks-turn-global-face-mask-hunt-into-wild-west-idUSKBN21L253)

by Reuters:
"Since the virus was first recorded in China late last year, the pandemic has spread around the world. Governments in Europe, the Americas and elsewhere are desperately trying to build up supplies for medics, nursing home staff and the public.

Now, with global cases surpassing one million and the outbreak exploding in the United States, the competition for precious stocks is intensifying further.

In one case, an order of 200,000 masks for Germany made by U.S.-listed multinational 3M Co in China were “confiscated” in Bangkok, Berlin Secretary of Interior Andreas Geisel, said in a statement, calling it an “act of modern piracy.”

Not nice. I hope the EU is doing better.

Jimbuna

04-03-20, 01:44 PM

That is actually quite worrying if true :yep:

Dowly

04-03-20, 02:02 PM

That is actually quite worrying if true :yep:Just read about it in a Finnish (tabloid) paper which cited this Guardian article among French (Masks bound to France bought by US):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/global-battle-coronavirus-equipment-masks-tests

Classy as usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-3e0EkvIEM

August

04-03-20, 02:03 PM

In one case, an order of 200,000 masks for Germany made by U.S.-listed multinational 3M Co in China were “confiscated” in Bangkok, Berlin Secretary of Interior Andreas Geisel, said in a statement, calling it an “act of modern piracy.”

Not nice. I hope the EU is doing better.

The other side of that coin:

While hospitals, medical facilities, medical personnel, emergency workers, first responders are in dire need of PPEs, personal protection equipment, 3M is selling the desperately-needed equipment to foreign nations. Why? Because foreign nations pay them cash. We are updating this. The President invoked the Defense Production Act against 3M to keep them from selling masks and PPE to cash-paying foreign governments.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/3m-an-evil-corporation-betraying-americans/

I guess it's the evil Europeans who are actually throwing the cash around so get mad at yourselves. And why is this even a problem for you? We're told that nationalized health care is superior to ours. Seems to me you folks are no better off at all.

Dowly

04-03-20, 02:06 PM

And why is this even a problem for you? We're told that nationalized health care is superior to ours. Seems to me you folks are no better off at all.National healtcare doesn't necessary account for such spikes in need of various equipment as is now happening. But I guess you already understood that, at least I hope so.

August

04-03-20, 02:20 PM

National healtcare doesn't necessary account for such spikes in need of various equipment as is now happening. But I guess you already understood that, at least I hope so.

Apparently it doesn't account for spikes, but why not? Taking the profit aspect out of health care should have given them plenty of funds to keep stockpiles of common equipment like masks. I keep hearing about the superiority of government run health care but judging by the death rates it certainly seems that is not the case here.

Dowly

04-03-20, 02:39 PM

Apparently it doesn't account for spikes, but why not?Because these things are unexpected and equipment doesn't last forever.

I keep hearing about the superiority of government run health care but judging by the death rates it certainly seems that is not the case here.Which death rates? Deaths per 1M people; USA: 21, Finland: 4. Shall we talk about child mortality rates next? Life expectancy? Access to pre-emptive healthcare?

August

04-03-20, 02:59 PM

Which death rates? Deaths per 1M people; USA: 21, Finland: 4. Shall we talk about child mortality rates next? Life expectancy? Access to pre-emptive healthcare?

Where did you get that number?

From the CDC website:

https://i.imgur.com/swq1rDR.jpg

Dowly

04-04-20, 05:09 AM

Where did you get that number?

From the CDC website:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Your map (as it says) shows new daily deaths, not the total. You can also see that the US is marked redder than Finland in that very map.

Skybird

04-04-20, 06:43 AM

I suggest we act with reciprocity. Dräger should not deliver any ventilators to the US anymore. "Germany first." The Americnas had placed an order almost as big as the German one two weeks ago (10 thousand units).

After Canada, France and Germany, Brazil yesterday joined the chorus of accusing the Americans to pirate masks headingfor Brazil.

Should not be forgotten. And not forgiven.

Torvald Von Mansee

04-07-20, 03:42 PM

https://i.redd.it/wsugcbae9er41.jpg

August

04-07-20, 03:58 PM

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Your map (as it says) shows new daily deaths, not the total. You can also see that the US is marked redder than Finland in that very map.

Well that is very laudable but it's certainly not matched by most of your more centralized and traveled European brethren. Italy, Spain, the UK, Belgium, France and a bunch of other NHS countries all have a higher per million death rate than we do.

ET2SN

04-07-20, 06:04 PM

Um, who ever updates the front page might want to Google "Modly". :03:

Rockstar

04-07-20, 07:49 PM

https://i.redd.it/wsugcbae9er41.jpg

From what I read in a NYTimes article. According to the majority of the justices they did not think Federal Judges were entitled to change a states voting procedure just days before a scheduled election. In other words they neither granted nor denied anything, the voting laws of Wisconsin remain the same.

“Extending the date by which ballots may be cast by voters — not just received by the municipal clerks but cast by voters — for an additional six days after the scheduled Election Day fundamentally alters the nature of the election,” the opinion said.

Jimbuna

04-08-20, 11:01 AM

August

04-08-20, 11:50 AM

From what I read in a NYTimes article. According to the majority of the justices they did not think Federal Judges were entitled to change a states voting procedure just days before a scheduled election. In other words they neither granted nor denied anything, the voting laws of Wisconsin remain the same.

But then it wouldn't be Trumps fault! No need to inject facts into a good party slogan. :)

Mr Quatro

04-08-20, 12:09 PM

Senator Bernie Sanders has suspended his campaign to become US president.

The development clears the way for former vice-president Joe Biden to become the Democratic party's nominee.

Mr Sanders, 78, told his campaign staff about his decision on a conference call on Wednesday. He is expected to address his supporters online shortly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52219756

Bernie should make a dramatic exit wearing a mask :D

Rockstar

04-08-20, 02:18 PM

But then it wouldn't be Trumps fault! No need to inject facts into a good party slogan. :)

Yep. Some states are making adjustments and I say all the more power to them if they can or want too. But in this case even Wisconsin's own Supreme Court shot the idea down and told'em to pack sand. IMO it's up to each State to figure out their own real or perceived problems. God forbid if Federal judges got involved and ended up setting a new precedence. I hate to imagine the national cluster fun that would turn into.

Onkel Neal

04-08-20, 02:23 PM

Senator Bernie Sanders has suspended his campaign to become US president.

The development clears the way for former vice-president Joe Biden to become the Democratic party's nominee.

Mr Sanders, 78, told his campaign staff about his decision on a conference call on Wednesday. He is expected to address his supporters online shortly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52219756

And just like that, America has put itself in the position where the only choices it has left are abysmal.

This country is so screwed.

Um, who ever updates the front page might want to Google "Modly". :03:

Copy and paste

ET2SN

04-08-20, 02:34 PM

Copy and paste

:up: I wasn't sure if you wanted to use another link. :salute:

mapuc

04-08-20, 02:35 PM

Only a thought based on what have been written in our Wuhan-thread.

There's an old English comedy

Some mother's do 'ave 'em

I have seen Trump not acting as a good leader where he should have shown strength but instead have shown the opposite.

I have also seen his supporters supporting him strongly despite others critics on his behaviour in their Corona crisis.

I have therefore change this English title to

Some American voters do 'ave 'im

Supporting a politician, a president is ok, but there are times when a supporter should say-this is not ok I do not support his/her action.

Markus

Onkel Neal

04-08-20, 02:37 PM

:up: I wasn't sure if you wanted to use another link. :salute:

Weird thing is, it's being spelled both ways across multiple outlets (https://news.google.com/search?q=modley&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen):k_confused:

Mr Quatro

04-08-20, 02:40 PM

And just like that, America has put itself in the position where the only choices it has left are abysmal.

This country is so screwed.

Copy and paste

Are you talking about Obama and McCain? :hmmm:

No wait a minute perhaps it's Hillary Clinton and the unknown billionaire Donald Trump :o

It's always down to just two (2) unless someone runs as an independant like Ross Perot did one time and cost the loser the WH office.

https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=U501DF&PC=U501&q=Ross+Perot

Henry Ross Perot was an American business magnate, billionaire, philanthropist, and politician. He was the founder and chief executive officer of Electronic Data Systems and Perot Systems. He ran an independent presidential campaign in 1992 and a third-party campaign in 1996, establishing the Reform Party in the latter election.

Both campaigns were among the strongest presidential showings by a third party or independent candidate in US history.

August

04-08-20, 02:49 PM

Supporting a politician, a president is ok, but there are times when a supporter should say-this is not ok I do not support his/her action.

Understand Markus that our nation is split ideologically. There are people in this country, many people, who would never admit that Trump did anything good, regardless of what it was. What you are seeing is mostly an opposing reaction to that.

If the Democrat controlled media reporting was more balanced and fair maybe his supporters would be more inclined to criticize the the things they don't like but as long as the Democrat hate and venom flows unabated, as long as they continually belittle anyone who doesn't toe their party line, then don't expect his supporters to become very introspective.

mapuc

04-08-20, 03:09 PM

Understand Markus that our nation is split ideologically. There are people in this country, many people, who would never admit that Trump did anything good, regardless of what it was. What you are seeing is mostly an opposing reaction to that.

If the Democrat controlled media reporting was more balanced and fair maybe his supporters would be more inclined to criticize the the things they don't like but as long as the Democrat hate and venom flows unabated, as long as they continually belittle anyone who doesn't toe their party line, then don't expect his supporters to become very introspective.

I know that your country is very much divided.

I also know that you are one of President Trump most dedicated supporter on this forum, which I respect you for.

But there must have been times or situation where even you must have said to yourself -
This is something I can't support or similar.

Markus

Catfish

04-08-20, 03:25 PM

"Right or wrong Mein Fuehrer" :)

Which is not entirely wrong.
In times of trouble it maybe makes sense to be not as divided as you would be under "normal" conditions.
Which is of course humanthink and should be obsolete.

August

04-08-20, 03:34 PM

I know that your country is very much divided.

I also know that you are one of President Trump most dedicated supporter on this forum, which I respect you for.

But there must have been times or situation where even you must have said to yourself -
This is something I can't support or similar.

Markus

Well when it comes to major policy decisions, not so far. Pretty much everything he's done in that regard I agree with, from getting us out of the Paris Climate change accord to his tax cuts to his attempts to get us out of these perpetual foreign entanglements.

When it comes to his Big Mouth there certainly are things that that he's said or tweeted that I do not approve of, he took his feud with John McCain way too far imo for example, but i am willing to dismiss that stuff as unimportant when compared to his actions. We do need the Deep State and the Washington Cabal of Elitists taken down a notch or three. We really do need our President to be nation centric. We really do need to secure our borders and get illegal immigration under control.

skidman

04-08-20, 04:16 PM

We really do need our President to be nation centric.

So maybe kicking half of the nation in the shins day in, day out is not a clever approach, right?

MaDef

04-08-20, 04:39 PM

So maybe kicking half of the nation in the shins day in, day out is not a clever approach, right?
More along the lines of 28-30%, not half. :O:

mapuc

04-08-20, 05:11 PM

And now to something different, still related to USA and the President.
A little more scientific

President Trump signed an executive order on Tuesday, April 7, establishing an official policy about mining resources in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies

https://www.iflscience.com/space/trump-signs-executive-order-launching-moon-mining-program/?fbclid=IwAR2MjOnvdTdO4j6AcZq5f5IR25ALdKq5Z8hEVN8d n4_1LsaVGQuwW_vY9lE

My input on this.

There have been talks and talks about mining on the Moon, Mars and other planet in our Solar system.

And now one of the worlds leader seems to do something about it-this could be the kick what science need.
It will be a lot of failures before the first success will come.

This reminds me when the American government did the same in the beginning of the 40's. Where they signed an executive order-which gave us the nuclear bomb.
(If my memory doesn't play tricks with me)

Markus

Buddahaid

04-08-20, 09:42 PM

This ends it! I will vote for anybody else than Trump. I don't care how much I may disagree with their views because I disagree with Trump the Giant Turd more. Screw him!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52224183

Buddahaid

04-08-20, 10:31 PM

August

04-08-20, 10:56 PM

Buddahaid

04-08-20, 11:14 PM

Oh please indeed. I hope one day you get tired of the taste of dirt and sand down there where your head is apparently stuck. Don't vote for The Turd, or Biden for cripes sake!

August

04-08-20, 11:23 PM

Oh please indeed. I hope one day you get tired of the taste of dirt and sand down there where your head is apparently stuck. Don't vote for The Turd, or Biden for cripes sake!

Oh I am definitely voting for Trump. Got to make up for last time.

Buddahaid

04-08-20, 11:33 PM

https://www.truthfinder.com/beacon/?article=cheaters&utm_source=XYZ6&traffic[source]=XYZ6&utm_medium=affiliate&traffic[medium]=affiliate&utm_campaign=4&traffic[campaign]=GRedUnfaithfulAstro:4&utm_term=&traffic[term]=&utm_content=&traffic[content]=&s1=4&s2=GRedUnfaithfulAstro&s3=&s4=&s5=&traffic[funnel]=tf&traffic[sub_id]=4&traffic[s2]=GRedUnfaithfulAstro&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvJyC98Da6AIV8gXnCh1xxACNEAEYASAA EgKz8PD_BwE

Buddahaid

04-09-20, 02:02 AM

Who's going 'to' get crazy over fewer casualties? That's great.

You know, the crazy democrats that hate the USA.....

But save our ass during and after the last two world wars.

ET2SN

04-09-20, 09:08 AM

Oh I am definitely voting for Trump. Got to make up for last time.

You hired a grounds-keeper to remove your tonsils, how did that work out? :haha:

This experiment worked as well as supply-side economics. How about we agree to no more amateurs in the White House? :yep:

MaDef

04-09-20, 09:35 AM

The little piece of crap doesn't have the balls to admit he was wrong from the start and blames anybody and anything but his own stupid inflated ego! Really! It's so transparent I can't believe anybody can swallow it without retching for days afterwards. Is this the best the USA can come up with? An egocentric compulsive liar with no sense of morality? Shame on us and if this turd is what makes America great than we deserve to fall. How are you any different than Trump? He blames China & the WHO, and you, Blame Him for the pandemic. When are you kids going to realize covid-19 had already crossed international boundaries before Wuhan was quarantined.

Buddahaid

04-09-20, 09:45 AM

Wow, did I say the pandemic is his fault? I blame him for being an ass about it early on and now later on which boils down to him just being an ass. All hat and no cattle!

August

04-09-20, 09:57 AM

You hired a grounds-keeper to remove your tonsils, how did that work out? :haha:

This experiment worked as well as supply-side economics. How about we agree to no more amateurs in the White House? :yep:

Amateur, really? Can you define what constitutes a Professional President then? Would that be a Hillary Clinton or a Joe Biden maybe? How about our previous presidents stellar POTUS resume, a freshmen senator with no legislative vision to call his own, Book writer, Community Organizer?

August

04-09-20, 10:14 AM

You know, the crazy democrats that hate the USA.....

But save our ass during and after the last two world wars.

You are claiming that the Democrats won the world wars? :haha: You know that they also got us into them as well right? FDR even allowed Pearl Harbor to be bombed and and abandoned tens of thousands of our troops the Philippines to a slow agonizing death, that Democrat? And then you're actually claiming that the racist Wilson, who ignored a pandemic flu that killed millions saved us after WW1? From what exactly? You're claiming that Truman, who got us into yet another war just five years later saved us after ww2? Again just how did he do that exactly?

What else did the Democrats do for us? Invent electricity maybe? The written word? Maybe they were the ones who saved Jesus by launching halibut over the crowd that he was addressing at the time? I mean we all know their failures, secession, slavery, Jim Crow, Jimmy Carter but if I owe my life to the dems i'd sure like to know how...

Mr Quatro

04-09-20, 10:19 AM

Don't even try what? Stop you from continuing your little TDS rant? I hardly care, I'm just hoping that you are ranting even more on November 4th when Biden calls Trump to congratulate him on being reelected. :)

Maybe even before the election :haha:

How many days until the election ... 208 days

Seems that Obama did something wrong during his tour of duty
that has not yet been revealed that will take Biden down with him
just in time to spoil the election denying the socialist move to the WH :yep:

ET2SN

04-09-20, 11:08 AM

Amateur, really?

Yeah, I think so. :haha:

The only thing he hasn't screwed up is the launch codes, but there's plenty of time. :up:

Write him in as your next governor if it makes you feel better, at least he'll be your problem and not mine.

August

04-09-20, 11:25 AM

Yeah, I think so. :haha:

The only thing he hasn't screwed up is the launch codes, but there's plenty of time. :up:

Write him in as your next governor if it makes you feel better, at least he'll be your problem and not mine.

No, I think I will just vote him in for a second term as POTUS.

He's done most of what he promised to do during his last campaign and he probably would have done all of it if not for Democrat obstructionism, so I look forward to seeing his agenda for his next term. I also hope that the Dems loose their control of the HoR. I would take great personal joy in seeing that traitor Pelosi have to hand over the gavel to McCarthy and Nunes strip that liar Schiff of his chairmanship. Then let the corruption investigations commence!

Onkel Neal

04-09-20, 01:04 PM

Speaking of the integrity of the WHO, watch

Bruce Aylward/@WHO did an interview with HK's @rthk_news
& when asked about #Taiwan he pretended not to hear the question. The journalist asks again & he hangs up!

https://twitter.com/HKWORLDCITY/status/1243865641448169474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1244076656353935361&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F04%2F04 %2Fasia%2Ftaiwan-coronavirus-response-who-intl-hnk%2Findex.html

Rockstar

04-11-20, 06:16 PM

With an election looming on the horizon there is a good chance COVID-19 may affect peoples ability or desire to go out and vote at the usual prescribed place.

What are the alternatives of having to gather with others, identify yourself in person and vote in the same booth someone with a zombie virus just used? How else could votes be counted, who will count them, and what about potential for voter fraud? What are the chances a contingent election might be held and the House of Representatives have vote in the next chief executive?

August

04-11-20, 07:20 PM

Buddahaid

04-11-20, 07:31 PM

I doubt it. Civil unrest certainly

Skybird

04-12-20, 10:05 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html

Rockstar

04-12-20, 02:48 PM

Onkel Neal

04-12-20, 06:14 PM

Hah, most of us could see this coming in late Jan. The people we expect leadership from were mentally deficient.

eddie

04-12-20, 06:31 PM

What scares me is, the President pushing to get the country up and running again. On one hand I realize we need to, on the other hand, until a vaccine comes along to fight this virus and give us a chance against it, I'd be scared to go back to work, and makes me glad I am retired. With my lung condition and age, I wouldn't stand a chance against even a mild case of it. Feel sorry for folks who have to make the choice about going back to work before there is a vaccine finally. Would be scary as hell I think.

Skybird

04-12-20, 06:34 PM

Ahh here come the all knowing Masters of the Obvious to tell us the error of days gone by! Where were you when we needed a prophet?

“It is easy to be wise after the event.” - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
The wise were always there, even in your country, and already in early Decembre. You just refused to ask or to listen to them, and instead followed the ignorrants, for their lies sounded sweeter in your ears.

And afterwards you complain about the wiser having been right. Where as the mistakes of your leaders both past and present get excused until today - with the most absurd of explanations.

Rockstar

04-12-20, 09:38 PM

The wise were always there, even in your country, and already in early Decembre. You just refused to ask or to listen to them, and instead followed the ignorrants, for their lies sounded sweeter in your ears.

And afterwards you complain about the wiser having been right. Where as the mistakes of your leaders both past and present get excused until today - with the most absurd of explanations.

Why you sweatin' our leaders? lol Anyway it happened on the Eurasian continent you know that right? That land mass you live on, right smack dab in your own backyard. Your right though we should acted much faster. Come to think about it the E.U. didn't appear to much care about border closure until we shut the door on you. It was spreading like a wild fire in your own Schengen lovin' area, even Fauci said we needed to act fast because the E.U. allowed itself to become more dangerous to us than China. Think of all the lives we could have saved in France, Spain and Italy had the U.S. Canada, Mexico and Australia and others acted sooner to motivate you all to finally close your external borders.

Skybird one thing I do, know nobody is going have a good answer until well after the dust settles. There is just waaay to much, economic, medical, supply chain, serology, science etc etc data to sift through to get the real needed answers to prepare for the next time. One thing I'm not going to do is rely on knee jerk reactions from journalists, political rags, editorials, hacks and shills or overly simplistic hindsight from the NYT for those answers.

eddie

04-12-20, 10:46 PM

Time to say good-bye to Dr. Fauci, Trump has tweeted he should be fired for not towing the line of bull coming out of the White House!

Buddahaid

04-12-20, 11:19 PM

Haven't seen that but it's not surprising. Wonder who's next, ummmmm, ahhh, oh yes, Tree Stump! Dr. Tree Stump will take Fauci's place and safely say nothing counter to our fearless leader's drool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QncXtLlloCo

ET2SN

04-13-20, 12:16 AM

Well, its isn't too late to not survive this thing. :huh:
When will the GOP have enough and dust off the 25th amendment?

Torvald Von Mansee

04-13-20, 06:29 AM

Well, its isn't too late to not survive this thing. :huh:
When will the GOP have enough and dust off the 25th amendment?

Too busy smashing and grabbing

u crank

04-13-20, 07:13 AM

Too busy smashing and grabbing

The Coronavirus Is Exposing Little Tyrants All Over The Country

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/13/the-coronavirus-is-exposing-little-tyrants-all-over-the-country/

Louisville, Kentucky, Mayor Greg Fischer to ban drive-in church services on Easter.

Fischer declared that drive-in Easter services would be illegal.

His order would have barred Christians from driving to their church parking lots and sitting in their vehicles for Easter services—all while maintaining proper social distancing—while imposing no such restrictions on drive-up and drive-through restaurants, liquor stores, grocery stores, or parking lots generally.

In Michigan, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has taken it upon herself to declare what items are and are not “essential,” dictating to grocery stores what they can and cannot sell as part of a sweeping order issued Friday.

Among the nonessential, and therefore banned, items are fruit and vegetable plants and seeds. Never mind that growing fruits and vegetables at home right now would help maintain social distancing during the pandemic, the governor has spoken and her word is law. (Lottery tickets, on the other hand, are still permitted.)

That these kind of arbitrary rules and bans are being enacted by petty tyrants like Whitmer is disturbing. Nothing like a crisis to bring out the best in politicians.

That these officials need to be reminded of that, and in some cases restrained by federal judges, bodes very ill for America.

mapuc

04-14-20, 10:53 AM

From what I read in our news earlier today I could see that your tv-channels like CNN and so on, interrupted the press meeting with President Trump.

Had something to do with propaganda.

Those tv-channel was not interested in broadcasting Trump generated propaganda, a CNN employee said.

I did not see this "propaganda generated press meeting"

It made me remember what Platapus once wrote in a comment many, many month back.

It's not a federal offence being/acting a/as jerk.

Then this question pops-up

What if his acting(which some of you may classify as acting as a jerk)
is jeopardising ten thousand of American life.

I mean there must be a limit to how much your President can act as a "jerk"

(It's very difficult to write a comment in a neutral way. 'cause I can see my comment is written in a anti-Trump way of a comment, which is not in my interest)

Markus

Rockstar

04-14-20, 08:02 PM

What if his acting(which some of you may classify as acting as a jerk)
is jeopardising ten thousand of American life.

Well, the way I see it if his behavior was the reason for the deaths of thousands of lives. Then that would have to mean every other leader in the free world must be behaving badly like jerks too.

Jimbuna

04-15-20, 06:42 AM

US President Donald Trump has said he is going to halt funding to the World Health Organization (WHO) because it has "failed in its basic duty" in its response to the coronavirus outbreak.

He accused the UN agency of mismanaging and covering up the spread of the virus after it emerged in China, and said it must be held accountable.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52289056

I hope he knows what he's doing but I seriously doubt it.

He is equally as guilty of mismanagement and failing in his basic duty as far as I'm concerned and I doubt Boris to name just one of a great many more leaders are any better.

u crank

04-15-20, 06:50 AM

Well, the way I see it if his behavior was the reason for the deaths of thousands of lives. Then that would have to mean every other leader in the free world must be behaving badly like jerks too.

From a comments section .......

“Here’s the media on Trump: Thirty percent of Corona virus cases in the world are in America. Trump is terrible, he should not be president.

“Here’s the media on Cuomo: Thirty-three percent of Corona virus cases in America are in New York State. Cuomo is great, he should be president.”

Catfish

04-15-20, 08:22 AM

^ did you watch any of Trump's recent coronavirus briefings? Just curious.

u crank

04-15-20, 08:57 AM

^ did you watch any of Trump's recent coronavirus briefings? Just curious.

No.

The quote I posted concerns the media's take on two different politicians. Notice any difference. Just curious.

skidman

04-15-20, 09:48 AM

Narcissistic personality disorder? Check!

Pseudologia fantastica? Check!

Paranoia? Check!

The 25th amendment? It's there!

If only Pence had the guts...

MaDef

04-15-20, 09:48 AM

^ did you watch any of Trump's recent coronavirus briefings? Just curious.

I have, He has a wooden performance while reading statements from the TELUS, frankly, he's more informative and entertaining during the Q&A.

Trump is pulling funding from the WHO for a reason, and it's not to deflect blame. No matter how you spin it, WHO dropped the ball on covid-19, they did not independently verify the Chinese Government's assertions on the scope of the contagion. In other words the Chinese Lied to the WHO, and the WHO reiterated that lie to the rest of the world. Trump is simply putting the WHO on notice to "get it's house in order" so this doesn't happen again. If you recall he's done this before, most notably with NATO. He threatened to pull out of NATO unless the other signatories started fulfilling their part of the agreement.

Jimbuna

04-15-20, 10:01 AM

I'm beginning to wonder if Trump is thinking of putting the USA into a position resembling isolationism.

Russia and China certainly won't mind.

Mr Quatro

04-15-20, 10:40 AM

you funny u crank :D I like the way you see things :up:

“Here’s the media on Trump: Thirty percent of Corona virus cases in the world are in America. Trump is terrible, he should not be president.

“Here’s the media on Cuomo: Thirty-three percent of Corona virus cases in America are in New York State. Cuomo is great, he should be president.”

The quote I posted concerns the media's take on two different politicians. Notice any difference. Just curious.

Rockstar

04-15-20, 11:06 AM

As much as I think isolation would be beneficial for America I believe its no longer possible. Its too bad we let things go as long as they did. Gone are the days of the original intent.

“But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own… She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.... [America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.

John Quincy Adams, July 4, 1821

http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/historicspeeches/adams_jq/foreignpolicy.html

Mr Quatro

04-15-20, 11:19 AM

I'm beginning to wonder if Trump is thinking of putting the USA into a position resembling isolationism.

Russia and China certainly won't mind.

You mean something like this may happen?

https://scontent.ffar2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93565435_3140619465972955_4628246377233645568_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQnCKKhINMv-m1_CoJc0Xh7N2nZ81IAcZbxXa7xPCBCfK1U-P3hfxoRbgPyHAnb8ek4&_nc_ht=scontent.ffar2-1.fna&oh=c459e2de36bc2c2b0939949e12f8bfe8&oe=5EBB678E

August

04-15-20, 11:21 AM

Another Democrat politician breaks with The Party and endorses Trump.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/492724-georgia-democratic-legislator-bucks-party-with-trump-endorsement

:)

Jimbuna

04-15-20, 11:48 AM

You mean something like this may happen?

https://scontent.ffar2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93565435_3140619465972955_4628246377233645568_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQnCKKhINMv-m1_CoJc0Xh7N2nZ81IAcZbxXa7xPCBCfK1U-P3hfxoRbgPyHAnb8ek4&_nc_ht=scontent.ffar2-1.fna&oh=c459e2de36bc2c2b0939949e12f8bfe8&oe=5EBB678E

Way far too late, there aren't any restrictions within the individual states as far as I'm aware and that I fear will be the hardest defence to shore up.

Buddahaid

04-15-20, 12:03 PM

August

04-15-20, 12:23 PM

Sonoma County will put in place mandatory face mask use in all businesses for staff and customers starting this Friday. I believe Marin County put this in place a week ago although I don't get local news feeds.

Rhode Islands Governor just made a similar executive order effective this saturday.

MaDef

04-15-20, 12:25 PM

Sonoma County will put in place mandatory face mask use in all businesses for staff and customers starting this Friday. I believe Marin County put this in place a week ago although I don't get local news feeds.

These aren't isolated "Mandatory orders", cities and counties across the country are putting them in place. And for no more reason then they are frightened.

Jimbuna

04-15-20, 12:39 PM

I fear it will already be too late and here in the UK an earlier opportunity on travel restrictions etc. was allowed to go by the wayside, we had between two and three weeks notice from what we witnessed not only in China but countries much closer like Italy and Spain in particular.

Buddahaid

04-15-20, 01:27 PM

These aren't isolated "Mandatory orders", cities and counties across the country are putting them in place. And for no more reason then they are frightened.

Good, they should be.
https://socoemergency.org/order-of-the-health-officer-facial-coverings/

MaDef

04-15-20, 03:32 PM

Good, they should be.
https://socoemergency.org/order-of-the-health-officer-facial-coverings/

No they shouldn't.

Buddahaid

04-15-20, 03:34 PM

No they shouldn't.

Good luck with that, I'll wear the mask.

MaDef

04-15-20, 07:17 PM

Good luck with that, I'll wear the mask.
When the mortality rate hits 15-20% regardless of age or pre existing medical condition, I'll re-assess.

em2nought

04-15-20, 07:37 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if Trump is thinking of putting the USA into a position resembling isolationism.

That's going to interfere with my "cheap" hedonistic retirement plans. :D

Onkel Neal

04-15-20, 10:48 PM

When the mortality rate hits 15-20% regardless of age or pre existing medical condition, I'll re-assess.

Smeesh, if that happens, you'll have to do a lot more than re-assess. If mortality rate of a pandemic were to hit 15-20% with the incubation and transmission rates of Covid-19, you'll be in the middle of a societal collapse. Our society is only three days without food away from chaos.

“The fact is that the best way for people to avoid the virus will be to stay home. But if everyone does this – or if too many people try to stockpile supplies after a crisis begins – the impact of even a relatively minor pandemic could quickly multiply.

Especially vital are “hubs” – the people whose actions link all the rest. Take truck drivers. When a strike blocked petrol deliveries from the UK’s oil refineries for 10 days in 2000, nearly a third of motorists ran out of fuel, some train and bus services were cancelled, shops began to run out of food, hospitals were reduced to running minimal services, hazardous waste piled up, and bodies went unburied. Afterwards, a study by Alan McKinnon of Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh, UK, predicted huge economic losses and a rapid deterioration in living conditions if all road haulage in the UK shut down for just a week.

What would happen in a pandemic when many truckers are sick, dead or too scared to work? Even a small impact on road haulage would quickly have severe knock-on effects [because of] just-in-time delivery. Over the past few decades, people who use or sell commodities from coal to aspirin have stopped keeping large stocks, because to do so is expensive. They rely instead on frequent small deliveries.

Cities typically have only three days’ worth of food, and the old saying about civilizations being just three or four meals away from anarchy is taken seriously by security agencies such as MI5 in the UK.

Interdependencies: Coal mines need electricity to keep working. Pumping oil through pipelines and water through mains also requires electricity. Making electricity depends largely on coal; getting coal depends on electricity; they all need refineries and key people; the people need transport, food and clean water. If one part of the system starts to fail, the whole lot could go. Hydro and nuclear power are less vulnerable to disruptions in supply, but they still depend on highly trained staff. With no electricity, shops will be unable to keep food refrigerated even if they get deliveries. Their tills won’t work either. Many consumers won’t be able to cook what food they do have. With no chlorine, water-borne diseases could strike just as it becomes hard to boil water. Communications could start to break down as radio and TV broadcasters, phone systems and the internet fall victim to power cuts and absent staff. This could cripple the global financial system, right down to local cash machines, and will greatly complicate attempts to maintain order and get systems up and running again.”

Farmers, ranchers, food plant workers, truck drivers, grocery workers - with a 15% CFR they stop working. You'll get hungry.

mapuc

04-16-20, 01:00 PM

Can he do that ?

This was the headline I saw on CNN before I turned my tv off
"Trump threaten to adjourn the Congress if they do not agree with him."

Can he do that ?
Adjourn the Congress during a State of Emergency, which he did some weeks ago.

Markus

em2nought

04-16-20, 04:41 PM

Buddahaid

04-16-20, 07:23 PM

Rockstar

04-16-20, 08:12 PM

It was NOT said in any seriousness. Agree or disagree in my opinion it was simply just good old fashioned politicking. An attempt to drive home his desire of getting his nominees appointed.

Same crap different day

MaDef

04-17-20, 09:26 AM

I don't think he can or he would have tried it already while looking for his ermine robes. Article II section 3 of the constitution actually states that the president has the power to both convene congress and adjourn them. The caveat, It's very specific and limited.

in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper

In layman terms He can tell them to go home for the night, and be back at 0900 in the morning.

As for calling congress back into session, Presidents have done that 27 times.
President adams was the first in 1797, and President Truman was the last in 1948.

25 of those times were to deal with specific issues. Truman however, used it as a political maneuver to win a 2nd term.

mapuc

04-17-20, 10:48 AM

Thank you for your answer to my question.

The answer you gave generated another question

So a President can adjourn or convene the Congress
My question is:
Is there a limit to this adjourn or convene of the Congress ?

Markus

MaDef

04-17-20, 12:47 PM

Strykr

04-17-20, 01:10 PM

Consequences of blocking his appointments for 3 1/2 years.
Some of whom would especially help at this time.

Pelosi is busy eating ice cream anyway.

mapuc

04-17-20, 01:13 PM

Yes, following is the full text of article II section 3:

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Please note the words "extraordinary Occasions". This pandemic qualifies.
Had congress been in recess Trump could have called them back,
Congress was already sitting so there was no need to "convene" them.

Thank you :up:

This part "he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper" suddenly made me think.

What if the Americans in the future elect a President who have an inner Stalin in him/her. This President could if I understand the part between "" adjourn the Congress as long s/he feel for it and become an American dictator.
(I'm pretty sure there are a other federal laws which make this impossible)

Markus

MaDef

04-17-20, 02:03 PM

What if the Americans in the future elect a President who have an inner Stalin in him/her. This President could if I understand the part between "" adjourn the Congress as long s/he feel for it and become an American dictator.
(I'm pretty sure there are a other federal laws which make this impossible)

If you read closer, the Senate & the House have to agree on when and how long they adjourn their session, If they can't decide between themselves then the president steps in and decides for them when and for how long they will adjourn. So, technically the President can adjourn a session of congress, but in practice, He can only do so if congress refuses to come to a decision.

Skybird

04-17-20, 05:13 PM

mapuc

04-17-20, 05:34 PM

Trump. Pelosi. Biden. Sanders.

The Granny States of America.

If it goes on like this, one day America will be governed by an extracted 120- year old granny brain with wires pinned to it and floating in a giant petry dish with nutrition fluid in it.

You could boiled it down to one reason:

The Voters-as long as they keep on putting their vote on very old politicians USA may one day have a President as you so colourful have painted.

Then another question pops-up Where are all these young promising politicians, which I'm pretty sure there are.

Markus

Strykr

04-18-20, 12:21 AM

Looking back,
Ever since Reagan.....
Who was taken out.
We have had no choice.

Clinton, Bush, Hussein Obama.
Repeat.

Anyone else is destroyed and taken out by the media.
The media attacked Trump when they realized he was a threat to their system.

That is how he won.

August

04-18-20, 12:54 AM

There are a few younger ones that I am keeping my eye on. For example Dan Crenshaw. I'd vote for that guy in second. Level headed, smart, and articulate.

Strykr

04-18-20, 01:40 AM

Mr Quatro

04-18-20, 09:33 AM

If you read closer, the Senate & the House have to agree on when and how long they adjourn their session, If they can't decide between themselves then the president steps in and decides for them when and for how long they will adjourn. So, technically the President can adjourn a session of congress, but in practice, He can only do so if congress refuses to come to a decision.

MaDef is a lawyer :up:

MaDef

04-18-20, 11:10 AM

MaDef is actually a ditch digger.:Kaleun_Cheers:

Hawk66

04-18-20, 12:35 PM

Crenshaw is good.
I've watched him.
He is articulate and sharp.
A veteran.

But he stands no chance.....at this time against the media.
I hope that changes.

Unless you are a socialist, they attack you.
FACT.

No offense, but you guys on the other side of the Atlantic have sometimes a rather strange definition of "Socialist". Sometimes I have the impression that all opinions left of a Conservative means you are a Socialist. That limits your options. Limiting your options is never good. You are always limited in your current thinking, never evaluating other options or trying out any new things(which does do Nature all the times for a very good reason).

As another example, you see this in my country which always never consider the option to use military force (as the last option). Or where the left-wing party of the current coalition opposes currently buying F-18s since they do not want to have the option to use US nuclear weapons as a last resort of defense. If you vote for this, you are not seldom accused of being a "cold warrior". It is a completely other topic but the thinking behind is the same...you do not actively evaluate all options and have your fixed "view of the world"

BTW...Sanders is a socialist but you just need to shortly google the media coverage of him or do some basic research and you can hardly argue that he is loved by the media...see just this https://thehill.com/homenews/media/457191-washington-post-editor-calls-sanders-claim-about-campaign-coverage-conspiracy as only one example...

em2nought

04-18-20, 01:32 PM

Crenshaw is good.
I've watched him.
He is articulate and sharp.
A veteran.

But he stands no chance.....at this time against the media.
I hope that changes.

Being lauded by the mainstream media always guarantees the other guy my vote. :D

Could you imagine if China in order to save themselves threw some prominent democrat under the bus and said he/she was in contact with someone who worked at that bio-weapons lab and may have paid for something to be released because "orange man bad".

MaDef

04-18-20, 02:33 PM

Being lauded by the mainstream media always guarantees the other guy my vote. :D

Could you imagine if China in order to save themselves threw some prominent democrat under the bus and said he/she was in contact with someone who worked at that bio-weapons lab and may have paid for something to be released because "orange man bad".

Be careful there, both the Biden and Clinton families have some interesting business ties to china, it wouldn't take much for the tinfoil hat crowd to pick up that ball and run with it. So don't give them any ideas.

Buddahaid

04-18-20, 04:45 PM

Reading this thread mostly boils down to this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdTTqDGPEeg

Skybird

04-19-20, 11:09 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/19/politics/trump-approval-rating-rally/index.html

Looking at the data, Trump seems to have had one of the fastest retreats of a rally around the flag effect in modern polling history.
[...]
My study of rally around the flag events since World War II found that the median one still has some effect for more than 200 days after the event occurs.We're only about 40 days after Trump started to see his polling climb. Unbelievably, this is usually when rally around the flag effects hit their peak, not when they are almost entirely extinguished.
[...]
Still, there's plenty of reason to think that Trump's limited bounce in terms of height and time is an underperformance. Indeed, as Trump's approval rating has declined, Congress' has gone up. Both Fox News (http://pollingreport.com/CongJob1.htm) and Gallup put Congress' approval rating at their highest since 2009. In pretty much every state poll I'm aware of, the governor's approval rating, no matter their party affiliation, is higher than Trump's.
[...]
In terms of his reelection prospects, it should be worrying to the President that even with a black swan pandemic occurring, he couldn't get his net approval rating above 0 points. It's going to be difficult to win the election if his net approval rating is -8 points among voters on election day.
There seems to be a link between Vit-D levels, immune system activity and vulneraiblity to severe Covid-19 infeciutosn. oputting Blacks and Hispanics at greater risks due to their darker skin colour that prevents Vit-D production by the skin in sunlight. So I would expect that many of those dark-coloured people who voted last time for Trump, due to their negative experience with Covid-19 and the greater toll their communitie sazhd top pay, this critical group will turn its backs on Turmp to a degree that it may prove to be critical for Trumpman, even more so since the Vit-D connection usually gets ignored and instead gets interpreted as a social class issue (which it may additionally also be, I do not wish to rule that out).

Onbe thing we cna be certrain of: the more he starts to lag behind in pollings, the more the Trumpman will start to run amok and kick and beat and spit at all directions like a maniac. It already has started.

Biden is not a good choice. But he is by far the lesser evil. So be it, if that is how it turns out in Novembre (and Trumpman failed in unleashing a hot shooting civil war).

MaDef

04-19-20, 12:15 PM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/19/politics/trump-approval-rating-rally/index.html

There seems to be a link between Vit-D levels, immune system activity and vulneraiblity to severe Covid-19 infeciutosn. oputting Blacks and Hispanics at greater risks due to their darker skin colour that prevents Vit-D production by the skin in sunlight. So I would expect that many of those dark-coloured people who voted last time for Trump, due to their negative experience with Covid-19 and the greater toll their communitie sazhd top pay, this critical group will turn its backs on Turmp to a degree that it may prove to be critical for Trumpman, even more so since the Vit-D connection usually gets ignored and instead gets interpreted as a social class issue (which it may additionally also be, I do not wish to rule that out).

Onbe thing we cna be certrain of: the more he starts to lag behind in pollings, the more the Trumpman will start to run amok and kick and beat and spit at all directions like a maniac. It already has started.

Biden is not a good choice. But he is by far the lesser evil. So be it, if that is how it turns out in Novembre (and Trumpman failed in unleashing a hot shooting civil war).

Might I suggest you take off the tinfoil hat before going out in the thunderstorm? You are making zero sense.

eddie

04-19-20, 01:53 PM

Be careful there, both the Biden and Clinton families have some interesting business ties to china, it wouldn't take much for the tinfoil hat crowd to pick up that ball and run with it. So don't give them any ideas.

Don't skip over the fact that Mitch "The B...ch" McConnell's wife's ties to China. She s an International Advisor to Wuhan, China!! Lets here it for Chairman Chao McConnell !!

Skybird

04-19-20, 02:53 PM

Might I suggest you take off the tinfoil hat before going out in the thunderstorm? You are making zero sense.
Relevant is what is said in the whole video on Vit-D, and the link to ethnicity and skin colour is illustrated from 13:30 on and to 16:00. More skin pigments: darker skin: less Vit-D production from sunlight: because more sunlight is blocked from skin: weaker immune reaction due to Vit-D deficiency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs

August

04-19-20, 03:37 PM

Relevant is what is said in the whole video on Vit-D, and the link to ethnicity and skin colour is illustrated from 13:30 on and to 16:00. More skin pigments: darker skin: less Vit-D production from sunlight: because more sunlight is blocked from skin: weaker immune reaction due to Vit-D deficiency.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the cronic case of TDS that you continue to exhibit.

Mr Quatro

04-19-20, 04:35 PM

Be careful there, both the Biden and Clinton families have some interesting business ties to china, it wouldn't take much for the tinfoil hat crowd to pick up that ball and run with it. So don't give them any ideas.

They already have and they make Sky look like a Saint ... :yep:

The conservatives have made their mistakes too :hmmm:

Bill Gates and that Doctor Fauci (everyone likes except Trump) seem to be in a deal to bankrupt America so they can reap all of the benefits of a new vaccine they've been
working on before Covid-19 even got loose is the latest one ... :yep:

Then they will ask you for a donation to stop Bill Gates and Dr Fauci so this new group can free American business back to where it was.

(no links due to it is such a bad conspiracy theory I'm sorry I brought it up) :oops:

MaDef

04-19-20, 07:30 PM

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the cronic case of TDS that you continue to exhibit. LOL... He'd fit right in over at the Democratic Underground board.

em2nought

04-20-20, 12:17 AM

LOL... He'd fit right in over at the Democratic Underground board.

I've always pictured Sky as more Trump envy that derangement. I think he wants his own "strong" man. Maybe a Bismarck for example. You can hardly blame him, his dear leader is more a friend to the Turks than the Germans. :D

Mr Quatro

04-20-20, 05:42 PM

MaDef

04-20-20, 06:56 PM

Hard to tell really, I think most of them are just people who are tired of being told to stay indoors. Although I bet a good number of them think that if you give the Government an inch, they'll take a mile and won't give it back.

em2nought

04-20-20, 07:35 PM

Will someone please tell me which side is for keeping the lockdown and which side is for lifting the lockdown.

Left side (democrats) keep the lock down

Right side (republicans) lift the shut down

or is this backwards or is it all messed up?

Trump wants what's best for the USA, Democrat leadership want what's worst for Trump. I'm pretty sure of that part at least. :salute:

The goalposts keep shifting because there hasn't been enough damage to Trump yet due to fewer deaths than expected so far. :hmmm: Without enough deaths they have to hurt the economy more.

August

04-20-20, 07:50 PM

I've always pictured Sky as more Trump envy that derangement. I think he wants his own "strong" man. Maybe a Bismarck for example. You can hardly blame him, his dear leader is more a friend to the Turks than the Germans. :D

I think Skybird would like to be another Bismarck himself but he lacks charisma.

Buddahaid

04-20-20, 09:16 PM

Trump wants what's best for the USA, Democrat leadership want what's worst for Trump. I'm pretty sure of that part at least. :salute:

I don't disagree with that but that's pretty much the mindset of every sitting president up for election so no points.

mapuc

04-21-20, 11:47 AM

Trump wants what's best for the USA, Democrat leadership want what's worst for Trump. I'm pretty sure of that part at least. :salute:

The goalposts keep shifting because there hasn't been enough damage to Trump yet due to fewer deaths than expected so far. :hmmm: Without enough deaths they have to hurt the economy more.

Only a thought

Couldn't it be so, the Dem think the way Trump is taking care of USA in this Crisis is wrong and their idea of how it shall be done is better.

Markus

Jimbuna

04-21-20, 12:41 PM

I think Skybird would like to be another Bismarck himself but he lacks charisma.

I think you're better than that Dave and as such I'll state on this occasion that anything resembling an unnecessary personal attack is something that I shouldn't have to be dealing with from a longstanding member such as yourself.

MaDef

04-21-20, 01:51 PM

Only a thought

Couldn't it be so, the Dem think the way Trump is taking care of USA in this Crisis is wrong and their idea of how it shall be done is better.

Markus
well, there is the rub. They don't have a clue as to what should be done.

the only thing they know for certain is that if Trump suggests it, it's wrong.

Buddahaid

04-21-20, 03:47 PM

Right, only Republicans can think for themselves. Bull.

August

04-21-20, 03:47 PM

I think you're better than that Dave and as such I'll state on this occasion that anything resembling an unnecessary personal attack is something that I shouldn't have to be dealing with from a longstanding member such as yourself.

I have been reading his pompous, arrogant and lecturing posts for decades Jim and that is exactly how he behaves. You can call it a personal attack if you want but I call it the truth.

MaDef

04-21-20, 04:15 PM

Right, only Republicans can think for themselves. Bull.

I didn't say that. But if the Democrats have any ideas other than remaining in " a lockdown". I'll be happy to entertain it.

Onkel Neal

04-22-20, 08:55 AM

And no one would even mind that, if he would not always flog the dead horse of him being soo great and intelligent and a "genius". His brazenness and self aggrandising makes it hard to take him seriously or find him sympathetic, for the rest of the world. Only America seems to love that.

Well put, Catfish. I find Trump easier to take as long as I don't listen to him directly. His followers claim the media has a mission to cast him in as bad a light as possible. Yes, I think that's obviously true. But he makes it worse with his blathering and badly formed thoughts. He's not stupid but he excels at expressing himself stupidly. That may be a great weapon against his enemies but it also blunts his appeal to people like me.

Policies, I keep reminding myself. Have to concentrate on the candidate/party that promotes the policies that are best for the country (not necessarily myself). That and the upcoming Supreme Court vacancy.

Although I really don't think a lot of America "loves" that, we kinda tolerate it.

Jeff-Groves

04-23-20, 02:56 PM

Knowing how much it will pee people off? I have to post a picture of my new acquisition.
:har:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=10983

Buddahaid

04-23-20, 04:20 PM

Doesn't look very cuddly, more like creepy.

mapuc

04-23-20, 04:25 PM

My first thought was

Russian Bear.

Secondly if you give it to a little children, s/he will see it as it is a toy they can play with or be friend with-They don't see any likeness to President Trump
(This I'm convinced of)

Markus

Jeff-Groves

04-23-20, 04:36 PM

They don't see any likeness to President Trump

Maybe it needs a phone to tweet from?
Hold on! I got one here some where I can add!
:haha:

Jeff-Groves

04-23-20, 04:47 PM

Happy now?
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=10984

Jeff-Groves

04-23-20, 05:18 PM

I think he wants to talk crap!
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=10985

Maybe I should start a new thread.
Like the Adventures of Trumpy Bear?
:har:

Rockstar

04-23-20, 05:20 PM

Trumpy Bear aint got nothin' on President Trump's tweet yesterday "I have instructed the United States Navy to shoot down and destroy any and all Iranian gunboats if they harass our ships at sea," which appeared to have triggered a rebound in oil markets on the potential for increased tensions in the Middle East. Crude oil closed +19%/$13.78 per barrel today. :salute::yeah:

https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/daily-global-market-summary-22-april-2020.html

In other news since we dont have a E.U. politics forum. (obviously things are just fine over there) French police were beating uniformed firemen during protests last week and in Paris there was more rioting and things burning again this week.

Europe: A severe recession is unavoidable. The IHS Markit composite PMI™ output index for the eurozone plunged by around 20 points in March, four times the magnitude of the prior record monthly decline at the height of the 2008-09 global financial crisis. Consequently, we now predict the virus-induced recessions this year will be significantly deeper than during 2008-09. The most severe quarter-on-quarter contraction will occur in the second quarter, when eurozone real GDP falls at a quarterly rate of 5.7%. Although they will not prevent deep recessions in the near term, stepped-up fiscal and monetary policy measures can help to avoid a prolonged eurozone downturn by preserving businesses and jobs.

Jeff-Groves

04-23-20, 05:23 PM

I have instructed the United States Navy to shoot down and destroy any and all Iranian gunboats if they harass our ships at sea,"

I'm all for that but......
Shoot down a freaking Boat?
I wasn't aware they had flying boats!
Maybe it's a Mod I've never seen.

les green01

04-23-20, 06:13 PM

well i can see this forum hadn't change any folks the other countries Slamming the US or who ever we vote for into office and not saying anything about their leaders,or how good their health care is better than ours or whatever

Rockstar

04-23-20, 07:22 PM

The politics of hydroxychloroquin, pretty much nails it how our two little conspiracy theorists are not always right. On a side note I think Laura is a hottie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RexUJeWmzSE&feature=emb_logo

Mr Quatro

04-23-20, 07:48 PM

Rockstar

04-23-20, 07:57 PM

I'm all for that but......
Shoot down a freaking Boat?
I wasn't aware they had flying boats!
Maybe it's a Mod I've never seen.

Yep its called Operation Spruce Goose

Catfish

04-24-20, 02:12 AM

I'm all for that but......
Shoot down a freaking Boat?
I wasn't aware they had flying boats!
Maybe it's a Mod I've never seen.
"Shooting them out of the water" will send them flying..
And flying boats were already featured in Silent Hunter 5 (end even 3 i think), they could also cruise inlands and through cities :hmph:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5hG_YiW7Hw

ET2SN

04-24-20, 04:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9l1M_6MNxw

:Kaleun_Salute:

mapuc

04-24-20, 08:52 AM

This have been mentioned in our Wuhan thread. I post my comments here because it's more US-Politics related.

As an ordinary person you have some kind of responsibility to what you say or write in public.

Which mean, if you post a video on youtube telling people to inject "stuff" into your vein to fight this Corona and people die from this, you may ending up in court accused..

So have Your President free space to say whatever he wants without any responsibility and he can't be charged if people/his supporters follow his advice/tips/proposal and die from this ?

Just wondering

Markus

Rockstar

04-24-20, 09:21 AM

I watched the video he never recommended or told anyone in the public to inject themselves with anything. A disinfectant is an agent that frees from infection. What's unfortunate is how people go straight to the extreme belief that the only definition of a disinfectant is a household cleaner. But, that's what we get when the uneducated herd gets involved they just seem to perpetuate stupid. Unfortunetly there are morons in this country that will take the media's word on it and try to inject themselves with a household cleaner. Which is why the makers of Lysol issued a warning.

As for U/V light being used as a disinfectant on humans there is already research on the 222 nanometer wavelength.

Its an election year so all the twisting sensationalism and media drama like came with the VA study on Hydroxychloroquin. If you think about it was the media that said Hydroxychloroquin didnt work and you would die if you take it. Just as it the media who is now saying Trump said to inject yourself with Lysol. Whats scary is people believe it.

mapuc

04-24-20, 09:38 AM

Yes it was an idea/thought

But there are people who take what their elected politicians say as it was genuin.

Markus

Rockstar

04-24-20, 10:28 AM

Markus there are people who dont bother to listen to what the president actually said. Take for instance the comment in the Wuhan thread "US President Donald Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment – a highly dangerous idea that has sparked outcry from medics." Listening to the video he made no such suggestion for people to start doing that. But the media plays it out as if he did, people believe it and regurgitate it here like its the gospel truth.

Some reporting sources are now saying he went so far as to suggest using bleach! Thats an out right lie and goddamn scary because people will believe that.

I'll be honest, He should have just given the podium to the doctors and the only words out of his mouth when they finished should have been 'thank you' as he left the building. A problem I see with the president is he not a very good speaker and used a word that was a gift to those with agendas to use against him. But its an election year such media reaction comes with the territory. But its this media reaction I find most frightening it isn't normal it gotten out of hand.

Catfish

04-24-20, 11:43 AM

I watched the video he never recommended or told anyone in the public to inject themselves with anything. [...]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2665775&postcount=3143 :03:

Mr Quatro

04-24-20, 12:20 PM

em2nought

04-24-20, 01:21 PM

If Biden becomes President we'll see as much of him as we do of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. :03:

August

04-24-20, 03:54 PM

Looks Like Trump Was Right About The Coronavirus Fatality Rate (https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/23/looks-like-trump-was-right-about-the-coronavirus-fatality-rate/)

Two new studies suggest that President Trump was right in early March when he guessed the fatality rate for coronavirus is under 1 percent.

April 23, 2020 By David Marcus

In early March, President Donald Trump was lambasted for saying on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show that he had a hunch the coronavirus fatality rate, which the World Health Organization pegged then at 3 to 4 percent, was in fact much lower, under 1 percent. Many commentators, myself included pointed out that the beginning of a pandemic medical crisis was not the time to be floating hunches. But, as we always knew was possible, it looks now like the president might well have been right.
New data from random antibody tests conducted in New York State suggest that as many as 2.7 million people statewide have had the coronavirus. That along with the just over 15,000 deaths that have occurred leads to a fatality rate for the virus of .5 percent according to Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/23/looks-like-trump-was-right-about-the-coronavirus-fatality-rate/

MaDef

04-24-20, 06:21 PM

Yes it was an idea/thought

But there are people who take what their elected politicians say as it was genuin.

Markus
I'm going to go home tonight turn on the black lights in my office, Have a bleach and tonic, and huff a can of lysol. That covid-19 doesnt stand a chance.

u crank

04-24-20, 06:51 PM

I'm going to go home tonight turn on the black lights in my office, Have a bleach and tonic, and huff a can of lysol. That covid-19 doesnt stand a chance.

:har:

That may not cure you but you will be very happy for a while.:D

August

04-24-20, 07:05 PM

You have black lights in your office? Groovy man!

MaDef

04-24-20, 08:17 PM

You have black lights in your office? Groovy man!

They are a holdover from when my office was the wife's "arts & crafts" room, she was a child of the 60's, need I say more?

August

04-24-20, 10:28 PM

They are a holdover from when my office was the wife's "arts & crafts" room, she was a child of the 60's, need I say more?

Not at all, 'nuff said. They were pretty much standard issue to all children to the 60's. :salute:

Onkel Neal

04-25-20, 12:25 PM

From the Politifact article:

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

Yeah, the article is fair, but, if you watch the video, it's very obvious he was out of his league in regards to anything to do with virus treatments.

Best article I've come across for relatively unbiased coverage of Trump's latest debacle.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/25/donald-trump-coronavirus-disinfectant-sarcastic-tipping-point

From almost the moment the words left Trump’s mouth it was clear some sort of damage limitation was needed.

But, as shock and amazement traversed the globe, it was slow in coming. When it did arrive, on Friday lunchtime, it was a clean-up attempt that clearly could have gone better. At a White House event Trump tried on Friday to justify his dangerous comments, falsely claiming that he was “asking a question sarcastically to reporters”.

On Friday, even as the US death toll topped 50,000 and the grim milestone of 1 million coronavirus cases grows nearer, Trump tried to make what critics saw as a desperate and dishonest U-turn.

“I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen,” the president, sitting at the Resolute desk in the Oval Office, told reporters as he signed emergency funding legislation.

“When I was asking a sarcastic – a very sarcastic question – to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside, but it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to a reporter.”

But video of the briefings clearly demonstrated otherwise. There was no hint of sarcasm and Trump’s attempts to rewrite the immediate past were undermined by the evidence just a simple Google search away.

When Trump posed the question about the efficacy of disinfectant injections, he had turned to his right and was looking in the direction of Bill Bryan, the acting homeland security undersecretary for science and technology, and Deborah Birx, the coronavirus taskforce coordinator.

Again, he is not stupid but he is so sloppy and addle-brained with his remarks, he does a remarkable job portraying a stupid person. Trump supporters will try to explain this away or stick to the clearly false narrative that Trump was being sarcastic. I mean, you can see for yourself in the video, he was making these remarks earnestly and checking with Bryan every few seconds. If the pandemic team were not so afraid to be bashed by Trump, maybe someone could have reined him in. I've yet to see that happen, even though it would be to his benefit. I won't argue for a second that the media will try to make him look bad but he's doing a bangup job on his own, he doesn't really need much help.

Jimbuna

04-26-20, 05:06 AM

Trump says briefings 'not worth the effort' amid fallout from disinfectant comments,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/25/donald-trump-stays-away-from-briefings-amid-fallout-from-disinfectant-comments

I guess nobody saw this coming :hmmm:

Skybird

04-26-20, 05:17 AM

“What is the purpose of having White House News Conferences when the Lamestream Media asks nothing but hostile questions, & then refuses to report the truth or facts accurately,” he wrote. “They get record ratings, & the American people get nothing but Fake News. Not worth the time & effort!”
My name is trouble, my first name's a mess
No need to greet me, I'm here to confess
That if you let me hold you I won't hold my breath
And if you let me love you I will love to death

My chase is endless I tend to obsess
No game is up to my need to possess
But if you let me hold you I won't hold my breath
And if you let me love you I will love you to death

I'm petrified of emptiness, let aside the loneliness
And lovers tend to break me in two
If you were to come back to me, in pieces or in melody
There couldn't be a better way through

My name is trouble my first name's a mess
Born to deceive you, brought up to redress
And if you let me hold you, I won't hold my breath
But if you make me need you I will need you less
-----Long Instrumental-----
I'm petrified of emptiness, let aside the loneliness
And lovers tend to break me in two
If you were to come back to me, in pieces or in melody
There couldn't be a better way through

My name is trouble, my first names a mess
No need to greet me, I'm here to confess
That if you let me hold you I won't hold my breath
And if you let me love you I will love to death

But if you let me hold you I won't hold my breath
And if you let me love you I will love you to death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0Qx8HwlW4

(And before anyone tries some stunt on me - yes I do know the background of the song. But in this case it works outside that intended context, too).

Bilge_Rat

04-26-20, 09:14 AM

As one of the few Trump "supporters" in my group, I was of course asked about the "disinfectant" flap. Looking at the clip, I just see vintage Trump prattling on in real time about a subject where he is clearly out of his depth. Of course, the liberal media is covering it as if they have finally found the "smoking gun" to put him away.

What the MSM fails to again understand is that most voters support Trump not because he is the ideal candidate for President, but because there is no alternative. Biden??? He is probably senile, may have sexually assaulted at least one his aide, his family has apparently been involved in many questionable business dealings based on his political positions, etc., etc. etc. If the MSM covered Biden with the same zeal that they go after Trump instead of going out of their way to protect him, his candidacy would have been over a long time ago.

Skybird

04-26-20, 09:30 AM

^ I may have bought that in the first couple of months.

But no more.

After all what there has been and said and done since then: never no more buying it. By now, too much smelly brown stuff has been presented too often on golden dinner plates as if one could buy it any longer with the excuse that real chocolate cake is out.

August

04-26-20, 10:17 AM

Good article:

Unlike the tens of millions of Americans who have lost their jobs, America's cultural elites, in politics, government and media, are doing just fine during the coronavirus shutdown.
Some of the politicians are paid well enough to hoard gourmet chocolate ice cream in their expensive kitchen freezers, like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, rightly dubbed by Republicans as our very own Nancy Antoinette.
"I enjoy it," Pelosi said of her chocolate stash on "The Late Late Show" in the most tone-deaf media interview of the year, with her country out of work and people low on food. "I like it better than anything else. ... I don't know what I would have done if ice cream were not invented."
As Republicans shout "Let them eat ice cream," the Democrats shout that President Donald Trump is at it again, with his wantonly barbaric Twitter thumbs, virtue-signaling and rallying his Trumpian base about stopping immigration.
But then, after pressure from agribusiness lobbyists and the high-tech lords, Trump pulled back and decided to allow temporary workers to keep working on farms, and in Silicon Valley, where they have already displaced higher-paid Americans.
So, everybody who counts votes or money gets their say. But what about those who don't?
Like those Americans who've just lost their jobs. And small-business owners losing everything they've saved a lifetime for. The government shut them down, too, and they don't get much of a say, do they?
If they dare protest, if they demand to work and run their own lives, they're condemned by mouthpieces of the left as a bunch of greedy fools Who Just Want People to Die.
And who wants people to die?
In this, America's elites are very much like the wealthy rich in Boccaccio's "The Decameron," safe behind the walls of a secluded villa outside Florence, full of wine and full of ourselves, babbling on and on about love and morality during The Plague.
We telecommute to work on our laptops, where we debate the nature of this coronavirus death model and that coronavirus death model. From the safety of our screens, secure in our home offices, perhaps just a few feet from some freezer loaded with gourmet ice cream, we wax on and on when it might be acceptable for Americans to venture forth and take a risk.
Risk? What is this word? Our American culture has been working to eliminate risk for decades. Now, all the kids get a trophy. Universities aren't about challenging the young, they're about "safe spaces" from difficult ideas. And helicopter parents hover like those drones that'll take your temperature -- and determine the rate of infection -- from the sky.
Take the tribal politics out of it and think about the unemployed guy at the food pantry waiting for a box of charity food to feed his kids. He has worked all his life yet now finds himself unemployed, not through any fault of his own, but because government has deemed his job to be "nonessential."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/23/take_tribal_politics_out_of_shutdown_debate_and_th ink_about_the_guy_at_the_food_pantry_143024.html

Mr Quatro

04-26-20, 10:55 AM

Again, he is not stupid but he is so sloppy and addle-brained with his remarks, he does a remarkable job portraying a stupid person. Trump supporters will try to explain this away or stick to the clearly false narrative that Trump was being sarcastic. I mean, you can see for yourself in the video, he was making these remarks earnestly and checking with Bryan every few seconds. If the pandemic team were not so afraid to be bashed by Trump, maybe someone could have reined him in. I've yet to see that happen, even though it would be to his benefit. I won't argue for a second that the media will try to make him look bad but he's doing a bangup job on his own, he doesn't really need much help.

Reminds me of the back tracking Trump did after he met with Putin and said, "I don't see why they would do that" When questioned on if he asked Putin about the meddling in the US elections.

But Trump is still my man ... sure he makes mistakes. We all make mistakes :yep:

Obama and Biden made mistakes and it will cost them the election. This will become a fact in the next six months of the campaign.

Remember we are down to just two world figures to lead the US for four more years ... Trump or Biden :hmmm:

Buddahaid

04-26-20, 12:27 PM

...Again, he is not stupid but he is so sloppy and addle-brained with his remarks, he does a remarkable job portraying a stupid person...

Well I disagree, he's not unintelligent, but he is stupid.

em2nought

04-26-20, 01:16 PM

Trump should switch to fireside chats for awhile, toss out the mainstream media. He's been under a constant barrage attack from the vermin for three years, he probably has some PTSD. :salute:

Catfish

04-26-20, 01:37 PM

Trump should switch to fireside chats, the media should toss him out for awhile. America has been under a constant barrage of bullsh!t and self aggrandising posing by Trump for three years, it probably has PTSD :salute:
Fixed that for you :D

August

04-26-20, 02:37 PM

Trump should switch to fireside chats for awhile, toss out the mainstream media. He's been under a constant barrage attack from the vermin for three years, he probably has some PTSD. :salute:

I love Donald Trump and want to have his babies

Fixed it back for you! :salute:

Catfish

04-26-20, 02:55 PM

August

04-26-20, 03:16 PM

:haha:
I thought you were homophobe? But if you like to be humped by your "president" all the time and loving it i have to tell you that you still cannot expect to have a baby (biologics, you know).
Also your desire is not shared by the rest of the world :)

It doesn't look like your reading comprehension is any better than your grip on reality but as long as you don't have a vote it's all good. :03:

Skybird

04-26-20, 04:19 PM

Stop the lockdown! People are going crazy! ..............................................And believe me, I know what I am talking of!
And the crazy ones are still going crazier!
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/sarkasmus_ts/25775498/2-format1007.jpg
Sarcasm? Or no sarcasm?

Der Tagesspiegel, Struttmann

mapuc

04-26-20, 04:23 PM

< :har::har:

Bilge_Rat

04-27-20, 07:12 AM

Last night I dreamt Michael Keaton was elected President. At the time, it seemed a brillant choice....even now it seems a better option than the current choices. :ping:

em2nought

04-27-20, 10:43 AM

Last night I dreamt Michael Keaton was elected President. At the time, it seemed a brillant choice....even now it seems a better option than the current choices. :ping:
So all you're saying is that "somebody" needs a mask? :D

https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-22-1469219855-6164562-a8e8e2df5f83411cbcacf65cc35c3ed1-thumb.jpg

Onkel Neal

04-28-20, 08:22 PM

Dems worked themselves into a pickle. The party of inclusion and diversity shut out all the women, women of color, Asian, gay, and men of color candidates in their primary process and what did they vote for? A older white guy, lifetime politician. Now they cancelled their NY primary and Andrew Yang is suing.

Mr Quatro

04-28-20, 10:22 PM

Biden is so old he needed a little nap at his own town hall meeting. :oops:

I wonder witch woman his party will use to run alongside of him Hillary Clinton or Mrs Obama or the other six (6) women talking it up that they would like the job too :yep:

Biden appears to fall asleep during town hall with Hillary Clinton

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/joe-biden-appears-fall-asleep-hillary-clinton-town/

Conservative Twitter feeds and websites exploded with mirth Tuesday when Joe Biden appeared to fall asleep during a virtual town hall meeting with Hillary Clinton.

The livestreamed event was designed to highlight Mrs. Clinton’s endorsement of Mr. Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

During the event, Mr. Biden frequently cast his gaze down as if consulting notes.

eddie

04-28-20, 10:37 PM

Then there is Trump telling the governors to open their schools. Why doesn't he send Baron back to school now? Talk about a clueless POS for a President that we have.

eddie

04-28-20, 11:01 PM

Biden is so old he needed a little nap at his own town hall meeting. :oops:

I wonder witch woman his party will use to run alongside of him Hillary Clinton or Mrs Obama or the other six (6) women talking it up that they would like the job too :yep:

Biden appears to fall asleep during town hall with Hillary Clinton

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/joe-biden-appears-fall-asleep-hillary-clinton-town/

You seem to forget about your Republican hero's like Bush Jr-On January 8, 1992, about 8:20 p.m JST, while attending a banquet hosted by the Prime Minister of Japan, Kiichi Miyazawa, U.S. President George H. W. Bush fainted, after vomiting in Miyazawa's lap.

Then there is Reagan back in the 1908's who fell asleep during the Popes remarks!!

Then look at this idiot in the White house right now. Surely his age shouldn't come into question with his ignorant remarks about diinfectants !! :haha::haha::haha:

Mr Quatro

04-28-20, 11:05 PM

I don't know who listens to Trump more the people who love him or the people who hate him?

MaDef

04-29-20, 07:15 AM

I don't know who listens to Trump more the people who love him or the people who hate him?

That's easy, the people who despise him.

Jimbuna

04-29-20, 07:47 AM

US President Donald Trump has ordered meat processing plants to stay open to protect the nation's food supply amid the coronavirus pandemic.

He invoked a Korean War-era law from the 1950s to mandate that the plants continue to function, amid industry warnings of strain on the supply chain.

An estimated 3,300 US meatpacking workers have been diagnosed with coronavirus and 20 have died.

The UN last month warned the emergency threatened global food supply chains.

Twenty-two US meatpacking plants across the American Midwest have closed during the outbreak.

They include slaughterhouses owned by the nation's biggest poultry, pork and beef producers, such as Smithfield Foods, Tyson Foods, Cargill and JBS USA.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52466502

I'd have thought that would be a tough decision to make.