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Armistead
08-04-20, 11:33 AM
Sorry but again you don't seem to grasp how the American system works. The President does not wield unlimited power. He is restrained by Congress and the Judicial system. The President cannot introduce and pass laws. Congress does that and it is elected, both Senators and House Reps. by popular vote. The people can decide if they want to check the President's power and they do quite regularly. Most mid term elections go against the White House.
By real results I assume that you mean the popular vote. That may work in some countries but in the USA that would mean a permanent Democratic White House. Would that be good for the country as a whole? I doubt it. In my life time Presidents usually get two terms and then the other party takes over. The only variation from that was Carter and Bush Sr. The people who complain the most are usually the people who didn't win. Hillary Clinton and her supporters and the Trump haters.
Real tyranny would be a country ruled by one political party.
Yes, an example, many minority districts have been carved out in states that once had no representation due to the popular vote. Many early pro arguments of carving out these districts was the premise of how the electoral vote ensures proper representation of all states.
skidman
08-04-20, 11:33 AM
Actually it works exactly as the founding fathers intended. The popuation and political leanings in America are not a secret. Large and very populated coastal regions in America are deep blue and have been for a while. If the Senate seats were allotted proportionally and the President was elected by popular vote Democrats and the left would realize their dream of permanent control of Washington. The current system of two Senate seats for each state and the Electoral College system prevents that.
"The president should represent the majority of square miles not the majority of people because this procedure helps to enforce my political opinion."
It doesn't get any weirder than this.
u crank
08-04-20, 11:53 AM
"The president should represent the majority of square miles not the majority of people because this procedure helps to enforce my political opinion."
It doesn't get any weirder than this.
Interesting thought but you like Skybird don't address the problematic situation that I have mentioned. That without the Electoral College and two Senators from each state one political party would dominate the US government. If you are in favor of that then be honest enough to say so. If you are not then what is your solution?
@Marcus: both sides will have to accept the outcome of the election, and they will. It is all threatening the "enemy" and ape-like behaviour. Mud-slinging. Posing
I think you are 110 % correct. Both will accept the outcome of the election.
I can't imaging what would happen if one of them reject the election result
Politically and in the society if one of them loose.
Markus
Skybird
08-04-20, 03:05 PM
Gerrymandering, anyone? ;) Look it up.
The final nail in every election's coffin.
You see, all these rules to me are just attempts to prevent obvious counting results. If the voting result leads to "majority tyrannizes minority", then the area for which the vote applies maybe is too big in adminstration and jurisdiction (and mind you, I follow Brennan and Hoppe in their criticism of states and modern democracies, so I hardly am suspicious to be in favour of big states). The ancient Greeks, whose state concept that they called "democracy" indeed was aristocratic), indeed knew the majority dominating the minority as one of their three basic models of "tyrannis". Their answere was, wanted or accidentally, to not let the plebs have anythign to say at all, only 5-15% of the aristocratic male, free, rich elites in a given city state were allowed to raise their voice in the assembly and to give their votes when an issue was to be decided by majority vote. The way we understand democracy today to be about general elections for each and everybody, and for societies iclduing millions and dozens and hundreds of millions, imo simply is dysfucntional from beginning on, and gets reinforced by the trend of just any "state" to always, inevitably, become more and more authoritarian. You cannot escape this.
Add to this that in this scenario of general elections for everybody, most voters do not form reasonable, altruistic decisons in full knowledge and competent understanding of all relevant financial, economical, sociological, educational and so forth facts, as it is implied, but highly irrational decisions, egoistic motives and habits and traditions. Thats why the whole show degenerates into that fiasco that election campaigns usually are, and whose phrase firing and word swinging is still one of the best arguments against elections alltogether.
But why do I type this, I have typed it so many times before. I say: don't vote, do not legitimate those of whom you must be expected by now to know that they are not worthy at all and will drive their power interests only and do that with your money and your hand's labour, and further I leave it now to referring once again to Jason Brennan, and Hans-Herrmann Hoppe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY
What an absolute idiot this man is... :doh:
Onkel Neal
08-04-20, 11:06 PM
What an absolute idiot this man is... :doh:
Yeah, true.
But still much better than the alternative :haha:
Catfish
08-05-20, 02:26 AM
"I'm the only thing standing between you and the apocalypse."
Hillary Clinton, October 2016
:hmmm: :O:
Neil Young is suing Donald Trump's re-election campaign for repeatedly using his music without his permission.
The rock star says the US president breached copyright laws by playing his songs at political rallies and events.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53661683
This song title by Neil Young might fit into the context.
https://youtu.be/LDyTcDqW7kU
Jimbuna
08-05-20, 05:30 AM
^ Political matters belong in the politics thread...merged.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53661683
This song title by Neil Young might fit into the context.
https://youtu.be/LDyTcDqW7kU
On the back of that album:
"Lyndon Johnson bared his scars,
American Stars and Bars. "
:rock:
The Prez likes to hear "Rockin' in the Free World" at his rallys, he should listen to all the words to understand their context. :yep:
On the back of that album:
"Lyndon Johnson bared his scars,
American Stars and Bars. "
:rock:
The Prez likes to hear "Rockin' in the Free World" at his rallys, he should listen to all the words to understand their context. :yep:
I really agree with you! The record is good stuff. :yep:
Jimbuna
08-05-20, 07:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY
What an absolute idiot this man is... :doh:
Yeah, true.
But still much better than the alternative :haha:
Really?
I found it quite entertaining :)
skidman
08-05-20, 10:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY
This must be an all-time mindfarts per minute record. Unbelievable.
Skybird
08-05-20, 10:31 AM
Make embarassment grrreat again!
Make embarassment grrreat again!:har:
I must say it is hilarious in way.
While BBC Word News, our Danish News channel and most probably the Swedish News channel was broadcasting from Beirut-
CNN was covering.......Yes you got it..President Trump.
Made me laugh If the world should come to an end day after tomorrow
Every news channel will be broadcasting this. Except CNN.
Back to political discussion.
Markus
That CNN does not choose it is in my eyes not strange ... a channel that consists of a lot of left-wing people with rather skewed political messages and clear angles in political correctness.:haha:
New York Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA After Fraud Investigation
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/899712823/new-york-attorney-general-moves-to-dissolve-the-nra-after-fraud-investigation?t=1596728352732
The Attorney General of New York took action today to dissolve the National Rifle Association, following an 18-month investigation that found evidence the powerful gun rights group is "fraught with fraud and abuse."
Attorney General Letitia James claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars, and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three year period.
Good riddance :salute:
Actually it works exactly as the founding fathers intended. The popuation and political leanings in America are not a secret. Large and very populated coastal regions in America are deep blue and have been for a while. If the Senate seats were allotted proportionally and the President was elected by popular vote Democrats and the left would realize their dream of permanent control of Washington. The current system of two Senate seats for each state and the Electoral College system prevents that. I'm not going to explain it further. If you don't understand it or you don't agree with it so be it.
He knows very well that we are a Constitutional Republic made up (currently) of 50 states. He knows that the states elect the president, not the people directly and that this is by design so that a small group of states find it much more difficult to dominate the smaller ones. Call it a benefit of membership in the United STATES of America. A slightly more powerful voice for the small and a slightly tempered voice for the large.
It is apparently a concept that is quite alien (feindlich) to guys like him.
New York Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA After Fraud Investigation
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/899712823/new-york-attorney-general-moves-to-dissolve-the-nra-after-fraud-investigation?t=1596728352732
Good riddance :salute:
Bet you it doesn't happen.
Buddahaid
08-06-20, 10:14 PM
It won't but I do think they've morphed into a different animal than they were born as. Even my deceased uncle in Fort Worth who collected guns and was an avid hunter felt they had lost their way and would not support them. Specifically calling the head an idiot.
Buddahaid
08-07-20, 12:09 AM
Um, hurt God? Can't be much of a god to be hurt by a mortal.
Another reason I think Trump is too stupid to remain president. I'm really trying to look beyond his dumbed down speech but then his concepts get in the way.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53688009
Catfish
08-07-20, 01:28 AM
"He's against God. He's against guns." (Trump about Biden)
Someone did not read or understand the bible. But who cares.
Yeah, guns are the biggest problem in the country , I mean it needs much more.
Education of kids, Treatment of animals, Climate change is not so important for him - but yes, also for his fanbase...otherwise he would choose other topics to get reelected, wouldn't he ?
Skybird
08-07-20, 05:06 AM
"He's against God. He's against guns." (Trump about Biden)
Someone did not read or understand the bible. But who cares.
Depends on which part of it you refer too. Old and new gospels being the most profound difference, but even within the new gospel there are differences between what Jesus preached, and what was preached in his name by others coming after him.
Its a crazy, inconsistent book.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-53671679/joe-biden-why-the-hell-would-i-take-a-cognitive-test
:haha:
Straight from the heart!
Joe Biden: 'Why the hell would I take a cognitive test?'
Presidential hopeful Joe Biden says he has not taken a cognitive test for dementia, adding that he trusts the public to decide if he is fit for office.
President Trump has previously spoken highly about his own results and has suggested that Mr Biden is not in the best mental state.
Joe Biden disagreed with this suggestion and said he looked forward to the presidential debates.
https://i.imgur.com/n0YQXTE.jpg
New York City saw more than 200 shootings in June
President Donald Trump has said US cities are seeing a spike in crime, as he sends in federal law enforcement agents to tackle the situation.
He has denounced a string of Democrat-run cities which are "plagued by violent crime".
https://i.imgur.com/AaPPMyL.jpg
We've looked at violent crime, and found it's down overall in many cities, but murders have risen sharply in some.
Violent crime continues to fall
In many major US cities, including Chicago and New York, violent crime overall is down compared with the same time last year.
Various cities define violent crime in slightly different ways, but it usually includes murder, robbery, assault and rape.
Data up to 26 July
Source: New York Police Department & Chicago Police Department
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53525440
The situation is clearly strained .... perhaps depending on the current situation.
Skybird
08-07-20, 05:14 PM
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2139-statement-by-ncsc-director-william-evanina-election-threat-update-for-the-american-public
NSCS on foreign powers meddling with the elections.
Skybird
08-07-20, 05:18 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/07/us/allan-lichtman-trump-biden-2020-trnd/index.html
Trump will lose, the man says. some weeks another man like this one predicted by his own model that he wil win, and his model also is famous for having been right since long time.
I currently think Trump will lose. Thats my current conclusion on the situation, as things are now.
I couldn't care more or less on who will be the next president in USA after Nov. 3 + days when they are counting these vote by mail.
On the other hand
I wish he will win. This have something to do, with what I have witness throughout the years.
It's 150 % sure-If a Trump supporter write something on a news papers FB-wall Some of the Anti-trumpers are very ugly in their response to these people.
And that's why I wish he may win.
It's the only reason.
Markus
"He's against God. He's against guns." (Trump about Biden)
Someone did not read or understand the bible. But who cares.
That's because as a foreigner you don't get the reference. It is from a very old saying: "God, guns and guts built America". I would add that Biden hiding in his basement has no guts either.
A+ for mental gymnastics :up:
Skybird
08-08-20, 04:17 AM
I couldn't care more or less on who will be the next president in USA after Nov. 3 + days when they are counting these vote by mail.
On the other hand
I wish he will win. This have something to do, with what I have witness throughout the years.
It's 150 % sure-If a Trump supporter write something on a news papers FB-wall Some of the Anti-trumpers are very ugly in their response to these people.
And that's why I wish he may win.
It's the only reason.
Markus
Isnt that a bit simplistic, mapuc? ;)
Not only is it simplistic, but it also ignores the conduct of both Trump and his supporters.
That's because as a foreigner you don't get the reference. It is from a very old saying: "God, guns and guts built America". I would add that Biden hiding in his basement has no guts either.
Y could question if guns in today's world are building or destroying America.
At least I have seen a lot of news what guns "do" in high schools, colleges, streets and where ever. I have hardly seen an event where guns "build" sth within the society.
Regarding Biden hiding in his basement...that is fake news for real
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510774-trump-campaign-uses-altered-photo-of-biden-in-new-ad
BTW has Trump guts?....in doing what ? Fighting the pandemia ? Fighting racism ? Uniting the country ?
Or in just fighting for his relection ?
The only fight which I see as a "foreigner" is the fight against China. You may count this as having guts. The "only" issue with this fight is that the US will lose this fight when fought it in that way - I guess there are enough scholar books about the fight in the cold time area available toady to relearn the lessons. One pillar to learn from that is not to
butt in front of the head regarding your allies and partners - even if they have their issues and are not perfect.
But science does not count a lot these days (not only in the US to be fair).
Or as Bill Gates mentionted it recently.
"
The world did not do enough to prepare for a pandemic. We can avoid making the same mistake with climate change by:
1. Letting science and innovation lead the way
"
Frankly, I do not think this will happen in this decade, regardless of the topic. Especially the younger generation will pay the price. How much will they curse the old ones ?
Mr Quatro
08-09-20, 02:58 PM
Maybe mail in voting will work ... it works in Hawaii :up:
https://apnews.com/ccaba2bb8555b32e5936bf6d863923c2
With Saturday’s election, Hawaii becomes the fifth state to conduct an election entirely by mail after the state enacted a vote-by-mail law last year. Hawaii joins Colorado, Oregon, Washington and Utah in holding all-mail elections. In Hawaii, voters have also had the option to cast ballots in-person at a handful voter service centers over the past two weeks. But the overwhelming majority have used mail.
Elections officials mailed ballots to voters in mid-July. They will count votes received by 7 p.m. on Saturday.
The mail-in ballots likely boosted turnout. Elections officials reported they received some 380,000 ballots.
Hawaii elections data posted online going back to 1992 shows the last time more than 300,000 ballots were cast was in 1994, when there were 309,700.
Oh by the way the article is about Kahele wins Hawaii Democratic primary for Gabbard’s seat.
Neal's sweetheart gave up her seat to run for POTUS
Oregon has voted by mail since 1998, too.
The only problem with mail in voting is that it makes voting easier, which is bad for the GOP.
u crank
08-10-20, 06:53 AM
The only problem with mail in voting is that it makes voting easier, which is bad for the GOP.
Why is that?
https://i.imgur.com/s5ERYZI.jpg
He’s already implied he will not only screw up the voting process but will have months to count and contend. He thinks he can buy time that way.
Oregon has voted by mail since 1998, too.
The only problem with mail in voting is that it makes voting easier, which is bad for the GOP.
No that's not it, there are more opportunities for fraud with mail in voting, add in ballot harvesting (which is legal in some states) and the integrity of the vote is compromised.
Mail in ballots up until now have always been at the request of the individual voter, now you have millions of additional mail in ballots needing to be mailed and collected, with no way to track whether those ballots are valid or not.
Instead of trying to screw up the election with vote by mail (I know some states have done it Oregon being one, but in their case they have a population of 4.5 million, and have been doing it for a while. Try that next door in California with a population of 40 million and with at least 3 million illegal immigrants, along with another 5-6 million Legal immigrants not eligible to vote, and you should be able to get an idea of the problem when expanding it nationwide with only 90 days to the official election.)
the Government should expand the number of polling places (schools would be good, most are currently empty) and extend the the voting period from 1 day to 3 days. That should allow people to vote at min risk, while maintaining the integrity of the vote.
u crank
08-10-20, 10:01 AM
He’s already implied he will not only screw up the voting process but will have months to count and contend. He thinks he can buy time that way.
Do you have any actual proof of that?
Mr Quatro
08-10-20, 10:10 AM
Could the enemy (russia and china) be using reverse psychology :hmmm:
Who's spreading the false news and rumors that Trump won't accept the results of the National Election if he loses?
A lie is a lie ... must be the New York Times :yep:
Plus if Russia and China are involved in this election?
Which side are they on?
Wouldn't they welcome another socialist style state to take down?
Do you have any actual proof of that?
No, an intuition I have nothing else!
Skybird
08-10-20, 10:21 AM
Rigging elections by gerrymandering.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/what-is-gerrymandering.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/06/27/what-is-gerrymandering-why-is-it-problematic/
https://www.britannica.com/topic/gerrymandering
http://www.fairdistrictsohio.org/what-is-gerrymandering.html
Gerrymandering is the manipulation of political districts to rig the outcome of elections to favor one political party over another. Both Democrats and Republicans have engaged in gerrymandering but this type of map-making reduces voter choices and leads to fewer competitive elections and elected officials who are less accountable to their constituents.
This and the electoral collage are what simply derails the American voting system and leads this "free election" ad absurdum. Its rigged, plain and simple. I never have and still do not buy the acrobatic attempts to explain why this system was designed and how much it helps to protect minorities from majporities. It doesn't. It riggs elections, it steals elections, and thats why it is being done this way.
And it is currently dominantly done in Republican-controlled states. The party of Nixon, Bush jr and Trump knows what it owes to its reputation, it seems.
Principally, similiar fraud is beign tried in other Western voting systems, including the German one, as well. But to my best knowledge: nowhere to such an excessive, shameless extend.
Catfish
08-10-20, 11:23 AM
@Mr Quatro
Which side Russia and China is on? Surely not on the US side. Putin helped Trump to offfice because he knows that he is no rival, neither politically nor intellectually. Good for Trump, bad for America.
"President Donald Trump refused to commit to accepting the results of the 2020 election and ensuring a peaceful transition of power in an interview with "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace aired Sunday."
"I have to see, look, I have to see, I'm not just going to say yes, I'm not going to say no, and I didn't last time either," Trump said when Wallace directly asked if he would accept the election results. Blah, blahblah.
Who knows whether there will be elections?
Of course i do not believe that he will be able to pull this stunt thanks to some reasonable Americans, but spouting off about the possibility he does all the time.
Could the enemy (russia and china) be using reverse psychology :hmmm:
Who's spreading the false news and rumors that Trump won't accept the results of the National Election if he loses?
A lie is a lie ... must be the New York Times :yep:
Plus if Russia and China are involved in this election?
Which side are they on?
Wouldn't they welcome another socialist style state to take down?
It's easy
China want Trump out of the White house.
Russia want Trump staying in the White house.
Markus
Mr Quatro
08-10-20, 11:26 AM
It's easy
China want Trump out of the White house.
Russia want Trump staying in the White house.
Markus
I don't think it's easy, the Chinese don't think like we do anyway :yep:
I don't think it's easy, the Chinese don't think like we do anyway :yep:
It was in the Danish news some days ago.
Foreign government is trying to affect to upcoming Presidential election in USA.
Here they said
China see Trump as unstable and want him to loose the Election.
Putin have see Trump as his friend(some may say his puppet) and want him to win.
Markus
u crank
08-10-20, 01:31 PM
And it is currently dominantly done in Republican-controlled states. The party of Nixon, Bush jr and Trump knows what it owes to its reputation, it seems.
https://i.imgur.com/GooRNE5.png?2
This is a map of New York’s 10th United States Congressional District in New York City. It is currently held by Rep. Jerry Nadler who is a Democrat. Care to guess why it is shaped like that? New York City's proportion of white people is about is about 42%. In Jerry Nadler's District it is 62% with only about 4% black. NYC has about 24% black population. Coincidence?
Right.:O:
Skybird
08-10-20, 01:53 PM
This is a map of New York’s 10th United States Congressional District in New York City. It is currently held by Rep. Jerry Nadler who is a Democrat. Care to guess why it is shaped like that? New York City's proportion of white people is about is about 42%. In Jerry Nadler's District it is 62% with only about 4% black. NYC has about 24% black population. Coincidence?
Right.:O:
In the four links I provided, nobody claims that only Republicans do it. Democrats do it as well, the lined artiles say that, too. But nation-wide, predominatly Republicans do it currently, they claim.
I red a long analysis of this problem some months ago, I think I linked that one as well, because it was so in-depth. There they also counted it for currently mostly done by Republicans.
Could of course be that only Manhatten and Brooklyn exist anymore and the rest of America meanwhile has sunk in the ocean. Our newpapers sometimes are a bit slow. ;)
u crank
08-10-20, 02:00 PM
In the four links I provided, nobody claims that only Republicans do it. Democrats do it as well,
True and they both do it for the exact same reason.
No, an intuition I have nothing else!
That makes it Commentary. What happened to being the Forum Newsman, or should we call you Pundit now?
Skybird
08-10-20, 07:35 PM
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/rushmore/26082864/2-format1007.jpg
"That stems from the era when mankind
perished from its own stupidity!"
Der Tagesspiegel, Klaus Struttmann
.
Jimbuna
08-11-20, 07:46 AM
That makes it Commentary. What happened to being the Forum Newsman, or should we call you Pundit now?
Infraction for me on the grounds of what I was tempted to post :)
Infraction for me on the grounds of what I was tempted to post :)
:):up:
Mr Quatro
08-11-20, 10:01 AM
What does this :) :up: mean?
What does this :) :up: mean?
"I am acknowledging your humor and say cheers"
What do you think it means?
Mr Quatro
08-11-20, 10:38 AM
"I am acknowledging your humor and say cheers"
What do you think it means?
Not sure that's why I asked ... like some kind of secret code or something
Spell it out man :yep:
Not sure that's why I asked ... like some kind of secret code or something
Spell it out man :yep:
Pure lazyness. It's why God invented smilies. :D
Mr Quatro
08-11-20, 11:33 AM
Pure lazyness. It's why God invented smilies. :D
Yes me too and then when people get mad at me I can say, "Didn't you see the smiley"? :D:yep::up:
Skybird
08-11-20, 03:39 PM
Biden chooses Kamala Harris from California. The Ununited States of America are set to turn into the Stoned States of America in two years or so. Smoking weed in a calumet? :D Why not if it eases nerves and tensions. :06: :hmmm:
Biden chooses Kamala Harris from California. The Ununited States of America are set to turn into the Stoned States of America in two years or so. Smoking weed in a calumet? :D Why not if it eases nerves and tensions. :06: :hmmm:
I see it as a psychopolitical step
He picked her to gain votes from the minorities in USA.
Markus
I see it as a psychopolitical step
He picked her to gain votes from the minorities in USA.
Markus
He could have made a better choice then because she also comes with a lot of political baggage, including her record against minorities during her stint as prosecutor.
Mr Quatro
08-11-20, 08:22 PM
Everybody go home ... it's all over now. :D
GOP just lost to the great state of California (which they do every year anyway)
Great pick due to the rumor of over 100 black influential men told Biden that if he didn't pick a black woman they would make sure that he would've lost in November, but of course you can't trust FB rumor's.
Can't trust anything now days :yep:
You can trust twitter though! :yep:
Skybird
08-12-20, 04:25 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53747851
Reptiloids for president! :yeah:
Serious, its frightening what psychological nutties can get elected for higher pltical offices these days. And how easily and naturally.
https://i.imgur.com/V4Srwgp.jpg
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has named Kamala Harris as his running mate - the first black woman and South Asian American in the role.
Once a rival for the top job, the California senator of Indian-Jamaican heritage had long been considered the front-runner for the number two slot.
The former California attorney general has been urging police reform amid nationwide anti-racism protests.
Mr Biden will face President Donald Trump in the election on 3 November.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53739323
Jimbuna
08-12-20, 05:34 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53747851
Reptiloids for president! :yeah:
Serious, its frightening what psychological nutties can get elected for higher pltical offices these days. And how easily and naturally.
You just couldn't make this stuff up :)
Catfish
08-12-20, 05:54 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53747851
Reptiloids for president! :yeah:
You misunderstand, the "Left" and Obama are the reptiloids :hmmm:
"US businesswoman who has expressed support for the QAnon conspiracy theory has won the Republican nomination for a seat in the House of Representatives."
"The GOP [Republican Party] establishment, the media, & the radical left, spent months & millions of dollars attacking me. Tonight the people of Georgia stood up & said that we will not be intimidated or believe those lies.
I'm excited to be the next Congresswoman of GA 14. God bless America."
God better save America.
For what i read here and elsewhere the qAnOn (or whatever it is written and whoever cares) conspiracy theories have become the truth - in the minds of some.
But there is hope! Putin wants Trump, JinPing wants Biden - maybe the desinformation systems and election meddling will neutralise each other :yeah:
Buddahaid
08-12-20, 09:30 AM
And then the Reptilian hords will strike and push everyone off the edge of the Earth.
Mr Quatro
08-12-20, 10:58 AM
https://i.imgur.com/V4Srwgp.jpg
She doesn't look black ... Jamaican and Indian I think
Not sure if that means American Indian or perhaps her mother was from India.
Probably won't hurt her though ... :up:
It's just that Biden is so old and so unacceptable it makes on wonder who's really running for the POTUS Biden or Harris :hmmm:
Skybird
08-12-20, 04:08 PM
She doesn't look black ... Jamaican and Indian I think
Not sure if that means American Indian or perhaps her mother was from India.
"Kamala Devi Harris was born on October 20, 1964, in Oakland, California.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#cite_note-:0-3) Her mother, Shyamala Gopalan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shyamala_Gopalan_Harris), was a breast-cancer scientist who had emigrated from Tamil Nadu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu), India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) in 1960 to pursue a doctorate in endocrinology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocrinology) at UC Berkeley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley).[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#cite_note-autogenerated4-11) Her father, Donald J. Harris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris), is a Stanford University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_University) emeritus professor of economics, who emigrated from British Jamaica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_of_Jamaica) in 1961 for graduate study in economics at UC Berkeley. In a 2018 article written in Jamaica Global, Donald Harris claimed to be a descendant of slave owner Hamilton Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Brown). (...) Kamala Harris identifies simply as "American" " - Wikipedia.
In my book, she is not "black". Nor was Obama "black". Both are "Mischlinge", I am not certain on the correct English word, some translations seem to refer to animal breeding exclusively, so I skip the attempt to translate into English. Black in my book are Africans, especially near the equatorial region. Technically Northern Africans in Marocco or Tunisia are Africans, too - but I would never describe them as "black people".
Kamala Harris Lies Repeatedly in First Speech as Biden’s Running Mate
In her first speech since Joe Biden selected her as his running mate, Senator Kamala Harris told multiple lies. To wit:
“The president’s mismanagement of the pandemic has plunged us into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression,” Harris said.
False. The pandemic and its associated lockdowns, not the president, are responsible for the economic contraction. Donald Trump is not the president of the euro zone, which suffered through an even more dire economic contraction in the second quarter: minus 40.3 percent, on an annualized basis, as against minus 32.9 percent in the US. The U.K. suffered a contraction of 59.8 percent, also on an annualized basis. Donald Trump is not the prime minister of the United Kingdom. The U.S. economy did slightly better than Germany’s in the second quarter. And it’s questionable to compare the current crisis to the Great Depression, which was not only deep but lasted more than a decade. The U.S. added 1.8 million jobs in July and Goldman Sachs predicts 25 percent (annualized) GDP growth in the current third quarter, which would mark an end to the U.S. recession after two quarters.
“Just look where [Trump and Mike Pence] have gotten us. . . . Millions of kids who cannot go back to school,” Harris said.
Wrong. It is not Donald Trump’s decision whether kids go back to school, because the federal government does not run schools, but he has urged the schools to reopen. The primary reason kids cannot go back to school is opposition from teachers’ unions. The second-largest teachers’ union is threatening to strike if schools reopen.
“Six years ago, in fact, we had a different health crisis,” Harris said. “It was called Ebola. We all remember that pandemic.”
Incorrect. Ebola was an outbreak, not a pandemic, according to the World Health Organization.
“This virus has impacted almost every country,” Harris said. “But there’s a reason it has hit America worse than any other advanced nation. It’s because of Trump’s failure to take it seriously.”
Wrong. Several advanced nations have suffered more fatalities per million population than the U.S.: Belgium, the U.K., Spain, Italy, Sweden. Donald Trump is not in charge of any of these countries.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-lies-repeatedly-in-first-press-conference-as-bidens-running-mate/
Catfish
08-13-20, 03:27 AM
So the "National Review" (sic!) complains about a lie of the far radical anarchist antifa socialist communist left?
Where are they when it is about Trump's lies? Not enough gigabytes space for all these?
Something much more important - US calls for shower rules to be eased after Trump hair complaints:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53761744
skidman
08-13-20, 03:56 AM
^:haha::haha::har:
Skybird
08-13-20, 04:36 AM
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/niederlage_ts/26086312/2-format1007.jpg
"What do you do if on Novembre 3rd you loose the election?"................."Dunno, but I will ask Lukaschenko about it."
Not funny at all when reading that Trump'S minions try to destrioy the US Post Service so that it necessaily will be degraded so much that mail voters are likely to drop out of the elction results. Thats betrayal, Mister, plain and simple.
Typically, Democratic voters are more ocncerned about corona and tend to prefer mail voting earlier than Republicans who dismiss Corona more by tendency and do nworr yless about going to a polling station. Reducing the efficiency of the Mail Service thus is in faovur of Republican counts.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-weaponizes-postal-service-to-hurt-americans-voting-by-mail-89877061938
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-postmaster-downgrading-of-political-mail-draws-scorn-89992773598
Mybe it doe snto need the Russians tp interfere to rig the US elections. its enough maybe if gerrymadering and the WH already interfere with it.
Just a year ago I did not have an idea how messy things are in the US. Voting standards of a third world banana republic. Embarassing, for a self-proclaimed super power.
u crank
08-13-20, 05:08 AM
Kamala and The National Review.
There is now a unending barrage of articles in the Left MSM that is proclaming that Sen. Harris is a moderate. It is quite remarkable and shows that not only are the biased but dishonest. And the spin will continue unabated till November. I would be very surprised to see any article in the Left MSM that is critical of Kamala Harris.
Senator Harris is a moderate autocrat. During the Democratic primary debates, she vowed to ban so-called assault weapons by executive order. When Joe Biden pointed out that the president has no such power and is obliged to follow the Constitution, she laughed in his face.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/kamala-harris-is-no-moderate/
It is possible to exaggerate the legitimate concerns about Joe Biden’s age and health. But it is not unreasonable to understand, as many Democrats and Republicans both do, that a Biden presidency might very well evolve into a kind of regency in which the fragile-seeming and forgetful man who would be 82 years old at the end of his first term acts as a placeholder until a suitable replacement comes of age, as it were. The leading candidate for such a successor would be his vice president, in this case a self-serving and dishonest politico who was moderately corrupt as an attorney general, moderately abusive as a senator, and now moderately dangerous to the rule of law.
Americans should be moderately terrified.
Catfish
08-13-20, 05:14 AM
Thank you again for your neutral and even-weighted views :D
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1293517514798960640
Even worse it is a woman, and not the "suburban housewife that will vote for Trump". Nasty nasty nasty nasty.
Thank you again for your neutral and even-weighted views :DIt's getting a bit comical, isn't it? :)
Skybird
08-13-20, 05:23 AM
Na, Donny is just enraged about that Harris did not let him grab her by her pussy.
(Before moderation steps in: let me remind of that I base on an old quote by Trump that reflects what he thinks "good woman" should be about).
Onkel Neal
08-13-20, 06:11 AM
But you should ask yourself, did he say that about Harris or is it something that came from your own mind? :nope:
u crank
08-13-20, 06:20 AM
Thank you again for your neutral and even-weighted views :D
Your welcome.:03::D
Apparently the use of facts is unacceptable in political discussion. Ms. Harris's positions and her past performances are widely available to anyone who is mildly interested. It's not political opinion. It's fact. Perhaps you are just not interested in what is actually said but rather a spin. CNN is available for that.
If you can find anything in the NR article I posted about that is not true please point it out.
Na, Donny is just enraged about that Harris did not let him grab her by her pussy.
(Before moderation steps in: let me remind of that I base on an old quote by Trump that reflects what he thinks "good woman" should be about).
That is a complete and deliberate misrepresentation of what Trump said and your use of foul and sexist language should be sanctioned by the moderators.
Skybird
08-13-20, 06:36 AM
But you should ask yourself, did he say that about Harris or is it something that came from your own mind? :nope:
He said it about all women in general. ;) Which includes just every woman, therefore, and reveals his underlying image of woman. Since then, he repeatedly revealed that he sees every woman that is strong and a potential threat to his self-perception of being big daddy and strong man and super president, as wicked, nasty, mean, and so forth. He is a sexist basterd as much as "sexist" could mean.
A long lasting pattern at work. A pattern like that he runs every project and every business into the ground that he ever gets his hands upon, and others left with the damages.
I red the first greeting adress by Harris. Aggressive on Trump, balanced on the oridnary people, and confronting on the campaign ahead. She meant not much to me, I certainly am not aweare of most names in Us politics, but I start to realise that Biden made a clever pick. And Trump, by every single comment on her, made clear that he sees her as the biggest threat the Demicrats could have come up with. All his lament and unspeakable insult in plain English means just this: this womam will give us bigger problems than any other VP Biden could have picked. One can only advise Trump to avoid any direct debatwe confrotnation with her. He is not on her agile, aggressive, intellectual level. Probably her past as prosecutor. Thats why the left in the party probbaly do find it difficult to align themselves with her: she was not left enough when despite her own skin colour she nevertheless was prosecuting blacks in numbers, I read. Tells me she had little or no bias there based on ideology.
Catfish
08-13-20, 06:51 AM
Your welcome.:03::D [...].
You're. :O:
No it is not wrong, but you (sorry, the National Review) accuse(s) Harris of being like Trump. How is this an argument against her in your view?
I just think that it was a poor decision by Biden, because she has not as much supporters as he seems to think.
B.t.w. Trump likes here, even donated money to her campaign. Long ago, but..
And this not so long ago:
Trump says Harris would be ‘fine choice’ as Biden running mate (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-harris-would-be-fine-choice-as-biden-running-mate)
Of course it's Fox News, so ... :D
Skybird
08-13-20, 07:02 AM
You're. :03:
No it is not wrong, but you (sorry, the National Review) accuse(s) Harris of being like Trump. How is this an argument against her in your view?
I just think that it was a poor decision by Biden, because she has not as much supporters as he seems to think.
I don'T know about the latter, but maybe he had a motive that so far is beign ignored: he knows that most liely he wiull not end his term, and that his VP will beocme president. Biden is old, and I do not think he will do full 4 terms and then let his VP candidate for elections, I think he will hand over before that, so that his VP could run elections as president in office. And there he maybe thought beyond the imminent campaign interests.
The rest are psyhcolgoical and quite well-knbown defence mechanisms by the pro-Trumpists. I think they realise that she could really strike hard at Trump in the upcoming word wars. Trump is unlikely to be able to handle her without playing foul time and again - and that will backfroie on him. Men like Trump simply can neitehr stand nor handle storng women like her who are anything but cute stroking pets .
Again, I am with those who think her past as prosecutor in courtroom will serve her well, and at Trump'S costs. She seems to be battle-hardened, so to speak.
We will see. Maybe I overestimate her. I almost always learn sooner or later that I overestimated politicians about whom I said something positive earlier.
Skybird
08-13-20, 07:07 AM
Just red this. Supports my view described in the posts above.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/kamala-harris-joe-biden-running-mate-choice/index.html
u crank
08-13-20, 07:46 AM
No it is not wrong, but you (sorry, the National Review) accuse(s) Harris of being like Trump. How is this an argument against her in your view?
Well here is where you are mistaken. I am not interested in an argument against her. I am interested in the facts. I try not to give my opinion. If Joe Biden wins in November, Harris will be the most likely VP to assume the presidency since Harry Truman. Don't you think she should be vetted in the most meticulous way? Should she get a pass because she is a woman? Black? A Democrat? Would you be ok with anyone regardless of their past positions and behavior being President? Shouldn't the standard applied to Trump be applied to everyone?
I just think that it was a poor decision by Biden ..
Biden demonstrated his lack of strategic political thinking by promising to pick a woman for VP. He was then cornered by some in the Democrat party to make that choice a woman of color. Pure virtue signaling and pandering. Had he not said anything he still could have picked Harris. Had he not made that promise he could have found a far more suitable pick than Harris.
Just red this. Supports my view described in the posts above.
Which is why CNN has no credibility as a straight news network, every article has a bias that used to be regulated to opinion pieces.
Skybird
08-13-20, 07:58 AM
I dont mind nor care for people claiming to have their oh so precious opinions. Claiming opinion alone, is worthless. Whether they can or cannot found their opinion reasonably and factually, and how - that is what gets my respect. Or not.
Meanwhweile, this.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/harris-vp-pick-draws-mixed-reviews-some-anxiety-progressives-n1236564
The left, or "progressives" as they are being called here, seem to be not too happy with Harris. Which I cautiously conclude means she cannot be that much lefty at all.
If it would not be serious, you could really start laughing:
I mean here is a discussion if Biden's VP tries to ban automatic weapons (what a blasphemy), if she was dishonest in the past, if she is not left enough or right enough or if she is even corrupt at all, if she has lied once...if I may summarize the discussion. If only a bit of this is true, she would be totally unacceptable as a President - if Biden has to resign, of crs.
Oh.
Who is actually president now by the way ? Because I thought it would be Trump, who actually has all those mentioned ingredients more than enough (of crs apart from banning automatic weapons, but he has done other "nice" things per decree, for which he has no authority and the jurisdiction had to stop him)
So then I assume those who criticize so much Ms. Harris cannot elect Trump also...else there is a logical issue...
VipertheSniper
08-13-20, 02:08 PM
If it would not be serious, you could really start laughing:
I mean here is a discussion if Biden's VP tries to ban automatic weapons (what a blasphemy), if she was dishonest in the past, if she is not left enough or right enough or if she is even corrupt at all, if she has lied once...if I may summarize the discussion. If only a bit of this is true, she would be totally unacceptable as a President - if Biden has to resign, of crs.
Oh.
Who is actually president now by the way ? Because I thought it would be Trump, who actually has all those mentioned ingredients more than enough (of crs apart from banning automatic weapons, but he has done other "nice" things per decree, for which he has no authority and the jurisdiction had to stop him)
So then I assume those who criticize so much Ms. Harris cannot elect Trump also...else there is a logical issue...
With the mental gymnastics frequently used to justify the things Trump does as "ok", I'm pretty sure you'll get a whole host of answers why it's not the same.
Skybird
08-13-20, 02:34 PM
^Think of it as Ostfriesenwitze, translated into English. :shucks:
u crank
08-13-20, 03:13 PM
With the mental gymnastics frequently used to justify the things Trump does as "ok", I'm pretty sure you'll get a whole host of answers why it's not the same.
You know it is possible that two things can be wrong at the same time. Just because OrangeManBad doesn't mean that Kamala Harris is a flawless politico with no serious history that shouldn't be discussed.
You know it is possible that two things can be wrong at the same time. Just because OrangeManBad doesn't mean that Kamala Harris is a flawless politico with no serious history that shouldn't be discussed.
Oh it does because orangemanbad justifies anything in their oh so precious opinions.
VipertheSniper
08-13-20, 07:20 PM
Oh it does because orangemanbad justifies anything in their oh so precious opinions.
Then where are your posts calling out Trump on anything he's done wrong in your opinion? I won't hold my breath. All I have seen in the last 4 years were, sometimes more, sometimes less tenuous justifications how everything he does is fine, or pointing "over there" to distract.
Look I never said Ms Harris can do no wrong, or trying to justify anything she said, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy on display.
Then where are your posts calling out Trump on anything he's done wrong in your opinion? I won't hold my breath.
But I don't think that he has done anything wrong, at least not worth mentioning especially in this forum filled with a larger than average contingent of Trump and US hating nuts as it is. Some of his tweets maybe might have been better phrased but I really don't care much about that stuff. I'd rather have a few rough statements over the polished lies we normally get from professional politicians like your Biden and Harris. But i'm guessing however that you aren't talking about that are you. You mean posts where I take the side of the Democrats who I believe are destroying my country. Yeah you probably won't find many of those, sorry.
All I have seen in the last 4 years were, sometimes more, sometimes less tenuous justifications how everything he does is fine, or pointing "over there" to distract.
Funny, all I've seen in the past four years is one failed coup attempt after another by the left with their cadre of shadowy career bureaucrats and supporting media. Four years of these would be tyrants trying every trick in the book to overturn the 2016 election because the American people had the temerity to reject them and their globalist visions. The Democrat party and their supporters are like petulant children throwing a temper tantrum until they get their way and God help our country if it works because I firmly believe it will tear this country apart.
Buddahaid
08-13-20, 11:38 PM
You don't have to be a "U.S. hating nut" to want Trump gone. I'm a U.S. loving nut and I want him out and lost to history. He's the poison choice for the GOP and it will be a better party without him sooner than later, even if it means Biden to make that happen. If Biden wins you know he will have a rough time of it as well, and then after that there may be a strong candidate.
So much doom and gloom over one election. Everything white and black hats, all or nothing mentality is the bigger threat.
Skybird
08-14-20, 01:52 AM
A federal judge has ordered Trumps gang to show evidence for their claim that mail election would forge the outcome. They have time until Friday to bring forward such evidence, or must declare that they just rose a claim. In the past they already had admitted that they have no evidence. Meanwhile Trump has openly admitted that he sabotages the postal service in order to undermine Democratic voter outcome.
Free elections! Close to impossible in the US. The rigging has become part of state reason, cheating part of democratic political self-understanding.
Said judge was called in by Trump himself, two years ago.
Catfish
08-14-20, 02:55 AM
Trump has admitted to slow the mail process in order to curb mail-in voting?
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/13/trump-usps-postal-service-post-office-history-395024
Skybird
08-14-20, 03:08 AM
Oh look, the birther story gets written on! Trump took the old one, deleted "Obama" in it and replaced it with "Harris", and there he goes... Running out of ideas? Or just being predictable?
Onkel Neal
08-14-20, 07:40 AM
Then where are your posts calling out Trump on anything he's done wrong in your opinion? I won't hold my breath. All I have seen in the last 4 years were, sometimes more, sometimes less tenuous justifications how everything he does is fine, or pointing "over there" to distract.
Look I never said Ms Harris can do no wrong, or trying to justify anything she said, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy on display.
Fair point. I'm sure you have read about internet tribalism:
“It turns out that human beings are not wired to be logical creatures that pursue objective truth.” Rauch notes. “We’re wired to be tribal creatures that try and ingratiate ourselves with our group and improve our status within that group. The way we do that is displaying outrage, anger, and hostility to the other group.”
You won't find many people who aren't solidly locked into their tribe, not on the internet, anyway.
But I don't think that he has done anything wrong, at least not worth mentioning especially in this forum filled with a larger than average contingent of Trump and US hating nuts as it is.
Oh man, this forum actually has a smaller than average collection of Trump bashers. Ever hear of Reddit, Facebook, Instagram? Somethingawful? One of the forums I frequented since 2004, Quartertothree, banned me because I referred to covid19 as "Wuhan flu" and would not apologize for it. That forum has a ton of users and activity, all of it virulently anti-Trump.
There's a forum my gf visits, Lipstick alley (https://www.lipstickalley.com/forums/politics.153/), and the Trump hate is the whole thing.
We have members who laugh at Trump and despise him, but only a few who routinely post. Honestly, I think the ratio here is pretty good. We want guys with opposing viewpoints to keep us grounded.
The forum you mention here is also not unfamiliar to me. Even though what many people know in silence and do not openly admit it, in my eyes there are no better alternatives than DT. And the choice Biden made with Harris will provide more benefits in the time ahead for DT. She does not act in a way that benefits Biden in the long run as Biden's basic attitude is different in many ways, this felt more like an emergency solution.
We have members who laugh at Trump and despise him, but only a few who routinely post. Honestly, I think the ratio here is pretty good. We want guys with opposing viewpoints to keep us grounded.I think it's fairly 50/50 here, at least those who regularly post these days.
As for Reddit, well it's a newer thing than discussion boards (eventhough it's basically the same thing) so you have younger people there who simply disagree with not only Trump's, but GOP's policies. That said, there are subreddits for conservatives and trump supporters as well.
Skybird
08-14-20, 10:13 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-postal-service-warns-pennsylvania-mail-ballots-may-be-n1236713
I read that estimatiosn are up to 50% of Demicreatcic voters may want to vote by mail. No wonder that the Trump sees destruction of the US Mail as a tempting option.
That politicians accept to destroy such fundamental services and historically well-reputated institutions for personal benefits, tells a lot abouth them.
Jimbuna
08-14-20, 01:23 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-postal-service-warns-pennsylvania-mail-ballots-may-be-n1236713
I read that estimatiosn are up to 50% of Demicreatcic voters may want to vote by mail. No wonder that the Trump sees destruction of the US Mail as a tempting option.
That politicians accept to destroy such fundamental services and historically well-reputated institutions for personal benefits, tells a lot abouth them.
I suspect a great many politicians from many other countries are little different.
Catfish
08-14-20, 02:06 PM
But this is indeed an exception ?
Skybird
08-14-20, 02:43 PM
Trump destroys the US Mail Service, British governments have eroded the NHS and I think the rail, Germany has castrated the Bundeswehr and ideologizes schools, French presidents try to cut back the unions (and fail).
But who did it in an explicit bid to damage another candidate/party before elections? Only Trump. Destroying a national service/officeand thus: parts of the nation, its conbstitution, for damaging the other's election chances?
One thinks in names like Erdoghan, Putin, Orban, Kaczynski, Xi, to find matching equivalents. Nice company Trump has found.
Trump destroys the US Mail Service, British governments have eroded the NHS and I think the rail, Germany has castrated the Bundeswehr and ideologizes schools, French presidents try to cut back the unions (and fail).
But who did it in an explicit bid to damage another candidate/party before elections? Only Trump. Destroying a national service/officeand thus: parts of the nation, its conbstitution, for damaging the other's election chances?
One thinks in names like Erdoghan, Putin, Orban, Kaczynski, Xi, to find matching equivalents. Nice company Trump has found.
Trump hasn't destroyed the USPS Chicken Little. :roll:
Catfish
08-14-20, 03:24 PM
Not yet. Or only until the nect election is over.
Trump thinks that democrats prefer voting via ballot, and if he hinders the postal system "they can't have it!"
Brilliant :rotfl2:
em2nought
08-14-20, 03:44 PM
Trump hasn't destroyed the USPS Chicken Little. :roll:
Maybe he should follow his predecessor's lead and just weaponize the USPS instead. :03: Ballot postage due $50.00 for extra-special handling. :har:
Maybe he should follow his predecessor's lead and just weaponize the USPS instead. :03: Ballot postage due $50.00 for extra-special handling. :har:
I'm sure Skybird will be accusing him of that soon! :D
Skybird
08-14-20, 04:10 PM
https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/streit-um-die-post-offen-gibt-trump-im-us-fernsehen-zu-wie-er-die-wahl-stehlen-moechte_id_12321626.html
FOCUS, translated from the German:
The mail is likely to play an unexpectedly large role in the US election due to Corona. Trump wants to withhold necessary funds from the company. He loudly spreads untruths about postal voting. What for? In a television interview, he makes no secret of his plan.
In the US election campaign, the mail is becoming more and more of a bone of contention due to a massive increase in the number of postal voters in the corona pandemic. US President Donald Trump is openly considering withholding the necessary funds from the Post three months before the election to deliver millions and millions of ballot papers on time. As the mail itself confirmed, 500 letter sorting machines are currently being removed and shut down nationwide, around 15 percent of the total stock.
Democrats see this as an attempt by the Republican to keep the turnout low in his favor. In addition, the Republicans endanger the health of citizens by insisting on voting at polling stations amid the pandemic, the allegations.
Trump, in turn, warns, without giving any reason, that postal voting will lead to massive electoral fraud. "It will be the biggest scam in history," he said on Thursday. In states like Virginia, postal ballot papers would be sent to "dead and dogs," he said.
Republicans have traditionally been skeptical of the postal voting instrument, not least because it is mainly used by poor people (who do not have a car or have to work on election day) and students. However, these sections of the population tend to vote democratically. If there were postal votes all over the country, “a Republican would never be elected in this country,” Trump said only in late March. - [So what?, says Skybird ;) Elections only as long as you get the result you want to see? Those who vote unwanted names, beeing excluded from elections? The infamy of his argument is outraging. We have had such kind of voting in the GDR, 40 years long, thank you.]
There is no evidence to support Trump's claim that postal voting would facilitate fraud. Postal voting fraud is extremely rare in the United States. A commission set up by Trump himself to investigate possible fraud in postal voting in the 2016 presidential election found no evidence and disbanded after a few months.
Trump tried to dispel the allegations that he wanted to influence the election with his almost daily attacks on the postal vote. That does not mean "that someone takes your voice away," he said on Thursday evening (local time) in the White House. He wanted the Americans to vote in the November 3rd election, but "that means they'd have to go to a polling station like they always did and vote," Trump said. Despite the coronavirus pandemic, this does not pose a threat, he emphasized. [Murderous gangster, says Skybird].
Most US states are expecting significantly more postal voters because of the pandemic. Many states have made it easier to apply for the election by mail. Some even proactively send election papers to citizens. Suddenly, a company that had hitherto rather stumbled was the focus of the election year: The American Post Office (USPS).
The company is run by a major republican donor and is already struggling with deficits and delays in deliveries. But without the timely delivery of the postal voting documents - the deadlines differ depending on the state - in the worst case, hundreds of thousands or even more ballot papers could go untold.
Trump threatened on Thursday, however, to veto an agreement on a new corona aid package with the Democrats if it should contain billions for the post. “That means that they (the Democrats) cannot get a universal postal vote,” Trump told the conservative broadcaster Fox Business. The Democrats would need this money so that the Post "can take all those billions and millions of ballots". The interview sparked severe criticism - Trump later rowed back a little.
The additional billions for the post were part of the negotiations with the Democrats for another Corona stimulus package. The talks failed at the end of last week, however, and the US Congress said goodbye for the summer break. The post should receive 25 billion US dollars, in addition, 3.5 billion dollars should be used specifically for postal voting.
The corona pandemic is still completely out of control in the United States. Around 50,000 new infections were recently reported daily. Almost 170,000 people died after being infected with the pathogen.
The chairwoman of the House of Representatives, the Democrat Nancy Pelosi, said this week that the smooth functioning of the post office was "crucial to protect the life of our democracy", especially because of the corona pandemic.
The Democrat Jena Griswold, responsible for the implementation in the state of Colorado, said in an interview with the broadcaster CNN that Trump's attempts to deny the Post the necessary funds were aimed at lowering the turnout: "The safest way to vote during a pandemic undermining is a turnout and it forces Americans to risk their lives to vote. "
Trump himself is a regular postal voter: Official databases show that the US President and his wife had documents sent to them for an area code in the state of Florida on Tuesday. Florida has been the couple's official residence since 2019.
The Democrats are working to ensure that the states allow as many voters as possible to vote by postal vote because of the pandemic. Because more ballot papers are likely to arrive by post in November, the announcement of the election results this year could, in the opinion of many observers, be significantly delayed, which could give additional tailwind to allegations of election fraud.
Fauci says there is 'no reason' Americans can't vote in person in November
Infectious disease expert says it'll be safe to cast ballots in person if voters follow social distancing guidelines
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-no-reason-americans-cant-vote-in-person-november
Onkel Neal
08-14-20, 05:00 PM
Fauci says there is 'no reason' Americans can't vote in person in November
Infectious disease expert says it'll be safe to cast ballots in person if voters follow social distancing guidelines
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-no-reason-americans-cant-vote-in-person-november
Yes, in person voting can be done with minimal effort, just masks and reasonable distancing. I wouldn't mind if they would hold the election over a three day period.
The US Mail, it's a mess and it was long before Trump showed up. I mean, when you go to mail a package, they ask you if you want to pay extra for insurance in case they break it or lose it. Isn't delivering it in one piece what I'm paying postage for?
Really, all I get through the US mail is spam, and about half of it is Bed, Bath, and Beyond 30% off coupons.
They even allow scammers to send clearly fake "missed parcel" mailers. I got one of these last week. Why does the US Mail accept money from scam artists?
https://i-cdn.embed.ly/1/display?key=fd92ebbc52fc43fb98f69e50e7893c13&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F2g3d886vw1541.jpg
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/12/17/parcel-hold-scam-sacramento-shipping/
Do I want the USPS involved in our election process? No.
Skybird
08-14-20, 05:11 PM
The US Mail, it's a mess and it was long before Trump showed up. I mean, when you go to mail a package, they ask you if you want to pay extra for insurance in case they break it or lose it. Isn't delivering it in one piece what I'm paying postage for?
But its like that in Europe as well. Yopu pay for them delivering it. And special deals (insurrance, cofnormed reply forms) cost extra.
Really, all I get through the US mail is spam, and about half of it is Bed, Bath, and Beyond 30% off coupons.
You have nothing like our 'Robinson list over here? Sign in, and yo get no more advert stuff? I use that. Also on my telephone numbers, from outside the town I live in its practically impossible to reach me on wired telephone. Life has won incredibly in quality. (I do not give my mobile number away easily).
Do I want the USPS involved in our election process? No.
the set it up properly instead of cutting it down. ;) And it seems, by argument of the article I quoted, that the messy effect on election outcomes due to the post not beign allowed to be "involved", would distort the rresult even more. Also, there is no ewvidence, NO EVIDENCE, for claims that the post has a fradulent effect on voting results. And as I posted earlier
A federal judge has ordered Trumps gang to show evidence for their claim that mail election would forge the outcome. They have time until Friday to bring forward such evidence, or must declare that they just rose a claim. In the past they already had admitted that they have no evidence. Meanwhile Trump has openly admitted that he sabotages the postal service in order to undermine Democratic voter outcome.
(...)
Said judge was called in by Trump himself, two years ago.
Buddahaid
08-14-20, 05:30 PM
I ship items by USPS without problems regularly. The few times I've used FedEx they've broken half of the items which took days longer to arrive and charged 50% more. Ask them about needing fragile stickers and they'll say they treat everything as fragile which I interpret to mean it doesn't matter if it says fragile, they'll treat no better than any other package.
I don't use FedEx for anything anymore. They suck.
Skybird
08-15-20, 04:27 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53782331
Their comments come as a poll by Axios/ Survey Monkey found that three quarters of Republican voters plan to vote in person, while more than half of Democratic voters plan to use a mail vote.
(...)
Meanwhile, the USPS has reportedly begun removing mail sorting machines (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7wk9z/the-post-office-is-deactivating-mail-sorting-machines-ahead-of-the-election) - many of which would normally be used to process ballots during the election - according to Vice.
Some Trump minions probably already dig holes in the forest where unwanted mail ballots could be dumped to disappear forever.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/all-out-war-over-mail-voting-has-erupted-courts-across-n1235216
It should not matter how soembody votes,if he wants to vote. The only question is whether he is - by citizenship for exmaple - eligible to vote. Her has his deciison, his will, one vote per one such decisonmaker and will-maker. Thats what the system is about. I ajmy not be a great fan of general aelecitosn, nor do i think they are the heart and centre of "demciracy". But I insit on that the system as wanted by design plays by its rules. What Trump tries to do is vote rigging, is voter fraud. Like Putin in Russia, Lukaschenko in Belarus. Stealign the vote, forging the eleciton result. thats what he wants to do. And everybody with a thinking mind knows it and can see it, if only he is willing to accept reality as actually "reality".
That it even is tried, and on this scale, and in this shameless openess, shows how deep the US already has fallen. Or better: has been intentionally pushed down to.
https://i.imgur.com/sP0VceN.jpg
Mr Quatro
08-15-20, 10:04 AM
I don't see any of y'all proclaiming how good Biden/Harris is compared to Trump/Pence.
This forum is international and the perception of the foreign groups is that Trump is bad along with vienna and Buddahaid on the America side being vocal against Trump.
Name one person on here that has been pro Biden due to how good he is or his accomplishment or his walk or his talk.
You guy's are ready to elect the worse choice just because you hate Trump.
Biden has not yet answered questions toe to toe, face to face with the media.
He is a stumbling Joe ... he can't think for himself.
Let's see the press give him a free ride after he is asked a few questions on how he would've handled the corona virus differently or how he plans on bringing the economy back up and offer free health at the same time.
Trump won't lose because people hate him and Biden won't win because people love him.
This election is not about personalities it's about the future of America ..
there is an entire army out there saying don't let the democrats win at any cost.
Buddahaid
08-15-20, 10:21 AM
Then it's an army of "loyal" Americans that have no faith in their system of government. They must therefore hate America to use the term applied here for anyone who thinks differently.
Skybird
08-15-20, 10:30 AM
Mr. Quatro:
Or so you think.
However, you are right in so far as that Biden is n ot defended on this board because he is an ideal candidate, he is not, obviously. But he is not Trump or any of his minions - that already is more than good enough these days - this bad the status quo is. Its that he is the much, much lesser evil, than Trump. I have often said in the past that a lesser evil still is an evil, but the importance in this case and the qualitative difference between a president Trump and a president Not-Trump is so stellar, that this time I don't say it. Trump must be gotten rid of. At any cost. He has done enough damage already, to the US, and many other countries, and the general world economy. And it would become much worse in a second term when he must not be considerate of relection anymore. Total disinhibition of a realtiy. Nightmare scenario.
If he would not aim at altering the constitition and get a third term, that is. I would take that possibility serious.
Biden has indicated that he sees himself as an interim solution only. I doubt he plans to serve a full term.
Then it's an army of "loyal" Americans that have no faith in their system of government. They must therefore hate America to use the term applied here for anyone who thinks differently.
It's not that people have no faith in the system of government Budda, just the Democrat would be tyrants who want to use that system against us.
Trump must be gotten rid of. At any cost.
https://i.imgur.com/sP0VceN.jpg
Trump must be gotten rid of. At any cost.
In the case - It has to be done through an election.
Furthermore-Those of you European who dislike Trump-You can only hope the Americans will choose someone else as the next President(Biden) and not Trump.
There ain't anything else you can do-then having hopes(maybe pray)
Markus
Buddahaid
08-15-20, 12:22 PM
It's not that people have no faith in the system of government Budda, just the Democrat would be tyrants who want to use that system against us.
Sounds like a lack of faith to me when people talk about revolt when they don't have it their way.
Sounds like a lack of faith to me when people talk about revolt when they don't have it their way.
:agree:
Mr Quatro
08-15-20, 03:12 PM
:agree:
Dear Santa add eddie to the list of nothing in the political stockings this year :D
Dear Santa add eddie to the list of nothing in the political stockings this year :D
:haha::haha:
Sounds like a lack of faith to me when people talk about revolt when they don't have it their way.
Guess it depends on who you are talking about.
https://i.imgur.com/7uem1zS.jpg
Donald Trump visited his brother on Friday
Robert Trump, the younger brother of the US president, has died aged 72, the White House has confirmed.
"He was not just my brother, he was my best friend," Donald Trump said in a statement on Saturday.
The president had visited his brother in hospital in New York on Friday afternoon, telling reporters: "He's having a hard time."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53796429
R.I.P Sir
Cybermat47
08-16-20, 03:18 AM
Morrison Requests that Trump Prevent the Release of Murderer of 3 Australian Soldiers
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/10/scott-morrison-presses-trump-for-continued-detention-of-ex-afghan-soldier-who-killed-three-australians
Hopefully Pres. Trump will actually listen to reason, and not betray one of his country’s closest allies.
VipertheSniper
08-16-20, 05:31 AM
Guess it depends on who you are talking about.
It does not. I don't know if that was Buddahaids intention, but his statement applies to everyone talking about revolt equally, whether they be on the left or the right.
It does not. I don't know if that was Buddahaids intention, but his statement applies to everyone talking about revolt equally, whether they be on the left or the right.
Yes it does because you're assuming that revolt means the same thing to everyone and it doesn't. Like "war" and "resist" revolt is a general word that can mean just an angry statement right up to an actual shooting war and everything in between but until it gets to the latter stages it doesn't mean that there is no faith in the system.
Col7777
08-16-20, 10:28 AM
Bush Question.
Forgive my ignorance here, I'm in the UK and not too well up on US politics etc.
I was just watching a movie and the Iraq war was mentioned and it showed clips of Bush and Blair, it made me think of when Bush Snr died some people got letters and they all seemed shocked especially Bush's younger brother when looking at them.
On YouTube there were dozens of theories what was in them, was it ever revealed or are they still a mystery?
Col.
VipertheSniper
08-16-20, 10:29 AM
Yes it does because you're assuming that revolt means the same thing to everyone and it doesn't. Like "war" and "resist" revolt is a general word that can mean just an angry statement right up to an actual shooting war and everything in between but until it gets to the latter stages it doesn't mean that there is no faith in the system.
Semantics... really? Also, that doesn't really change anything. Say Trump loses, which I don't think will happen, but let's say for the sake of argument he does. With all the rhetoric coming from Trump himself, about voter fraud and stolen elections, you think that doesn't erode the faith in the system to the point were people on the losing side will revolt, in whatever way shape or form, because they no longer trust the system?
Semantics... really? Also, that doesn't really change anything. Say Trump loses, which I don't think will happen, but let's say for the sake of argument he does. With all the rhetoric coming from Trump himself, about voter fraud and stolen elections, you think that doesn't erode the faith in the system to the point were people on the losing side will revolt, in whatever way shape or form, because they no longer trust the system?
Lots of things erode the system but erosion and loss of faith are two different things. But regardless I would say that the the people on Trumps side are a lot more law abiding and respectful of the system than the Resist Democrats.
Why do you worry about Trumps rhetoric and not theirs?
Catfish
08-16-20, 11:20 AM
Dear Santa add eddie to the list of nothing in the political stockings this year :D
https://i.imgur.com/sgtDE4Cl.jpg
VipertheSniper
08-16-20, 11:47 AM
Lots of things erode the system but erosion and loss of faith are two different things. But regardless I would say that the the people on Trumps side are a lot more law abiding and respectful of the system than the Resist Democrats.
Why do you worry about Trumps rhetoric and not theirs?
For the example I brought up it didn't really matter and I worry about it because he's the eff'in President.
How respectful of the system are active efforts of voter suppression by the way? I'd really like to know, although I don't really know what to believe about the whole USPS story, but in the same way revolt might not mean the same for everybody, the risks involved to voting in person might not be the same for everybody.
Buddahaid
08-16-20, 11:58 AM
For the example I brought up it didn't really matter and I worry about it because he's the eff'in President.
How respectful of the system are active efforts of voter suppression by the way? I'd really like to know.
That'll get countered with how respectful are efforts toward voter fraud. I do think vote by mail is possible if the effort is made to adopt it and ensure it's not taken advantage of. The GOP don't want to go there and are afraid of it.
VipertheSniper
08-16-20, 12:05 PM
That'll get countered with how respectful are efforts toward voter fraud. I do think vote by mail is possible if the effort is made to adopt it and ensure it's not taken advantage of. The GOP don't want to go there and are afraid of it.
Most efforts that are framed to eliminate almost non existent voter fraud are efforts to suppress the vote, so I'm not only talking about the USPS story here, where I'm really not sure what to believe.
That'll get countered with how respectful are efforts toward voter fraud. I do think vote by mail is possible if the effort is made to adopt it and ensure it's not taken advantage of. The GOP don't want to go there and are afraid of it.
The system is set up for in person voting, which is what I and my wife will be doing on election day and Viper might call it fraud but we will still produce a picture ID when we do. The proposed vote by mail scheme is only supported by the Democrats because they figure it will give them an advantage. If the situation were reversed they would be far more vocal than Trump is now in taking the same position.
You have only to look at their refusal to accept the 2016 election to see that. They claimed that Trump would contest the election if he lost and that's exactly what they did when he won.
I see the same thing happening in November. A Trump win will not be accepted by Democrats like they still don't accept the result of the last one. To hell with all of them I say.
VipertheSniper
08-16-20, 12:39 PM
The system is set up for in person voting, which is what I and my wife will be doing on election day and Viper might call it fraud but we will still produce a picture ID when we do. The proposed vote by mail scheme is only supported by the Democrats because they figure it will give them an advantage. If the situation were reversed they would be far more vocal than Trump is now in taking the same position.
You have only to look at their refusal to accept the 2016 election to see that. They claimed that Trump would contest the election if he lost and that's exactly what they did when he won.
I see the same thing happening in November. A Trump win will not be accepted by Democrats like they still don't accept the result of the last one. To hell with all of them I say.
Why would I call that fraud exactly? If you can vote in person, fine. If you can produce the required ID, also fine.
What I have a problem with is creating so many hoops for voters to jump through so they get discouraged from voting in person, and those hoops are very much designed to discourage voters from minorities, who are predominantly voting Democrats (whether that is really in their best interest is debatable).
Why would I call that fraud exactly? If you can vote in person, fine. If you can produce the required ID, also fine.
What I have a problem with is creating so many hoops for voters to jump through so they get discouraged from voting in person, and those hoops are very much designed to discourage voters from minorities, who are predominantly voting Democrats (whether that is really in their best interest is debatable).
Right, like producing a photo id to vote is something that minorities are just incapable of doing, although they don't seem to have that problem when asked to produce one for any other of the myriad instances that such id is required.
Poor, poor people of color. What would they do without the Democrat party to treat them like special needs children?
Buddahaid
08-16-20, 01:09 PM
You must be talking about me. I'm a white minority in California.
em2nought
08-16-20, 01:09 PM
Hands off yankee! Those people of color "belong" to the democrat party, Lincoln's emancipation proclamation be damned. :hmmm:
You must be talking about me. I'm a white minority in California.
Well it's only a problem for you if you can't produce a photo id because as we are constantly Demsplained that is a problem only for non white Americans.
I like this guy:
Let me make this simple: The idea that Trump is using the USPS to steal the election is a baseless conspiracy theory. There is no evidence to support it.
Let's go through the actual topics, all of which are being confused to create a state of misinformation and fear.
1) Dems are pushing for universal mail-in election. Republicans oppose this and say it creates a possibility for fraud. There is a reasonable compromise, such as what is planned in KY, that would allow absentee ballots for all who want one, early voting, & election day voting.
2) The USPS has been in terrible financial shape for years. It is consistently losing money. Dems want to bail it out. Republicans want it reformed. There is not an immediate fiscal danger as current funding is sufficient through 2021.
2A) The treasury has offered the USPS an additional 10 Billion loan as of the end of July if needed. That loan does come with some strings for reforms, but it does not look like it is needed for immediate operation until late in 2021.
3) Trump did go on tv and say he opposes the bailout of uSPS, and specifically cited his opposition to universal mail voting (which he says helps Dems) as the reason. As pointed out in 2, This has been used to suggest he is using USPS to undermine the election.
3A) However, as pointed out in 2, there is no immediate funding issue that would hinder the USPS from supporting the election. Funding is not the problem with a massive wave of mail-based voting, deadlines and timing are.
4) The USPS has done a bunch of regular actions that are now being cited as irregular by people who don't know better. One example is the removal and moving of pick-up mailboxes from low-traffic areas. USPS has agreed to pause it anyways to avoid the controversy now.
5) As the USPS is an organization with serious fiscal issues and due to COVID-19 impact, they are undergoing delays in shipping and structural changes/cuts in response. The union/activists oppose these and thus are trying to tie them to the election.
5A) Many of these actions have occurred before (replacing/eliminating sorting machines outside hubs). Every agency/group is taking cuts and reduced hours right now. There is no evidence those changes have anything to do with or would affect the election.
6) The real problem with the election is the regular deadlines are impossible to ensure with USPS shipping times. Some states allow ballot requests 4 days before the election! That's why USPS sent out letters to states warning them of need for changes in timing to protect votes.
In conclusion, this is going to be one of the most logistically difficult elections in history. Mail-in voting creates real problems and concerns. There are solutions that require compromise.
None of that supports the partisan conspiracy mentioned at the beginning.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1295027814786387974.html
Buddahaid
08-16-20, 03:47 PM
Nothing wrong with that save the extra money to ensure the collection times getting squashed is glossed over.
A little wonder.
If Trump loose the election
Will CNN then cut down on the hours they send the news ?
Will they go from 24/7 to 1-2 hours per day instead ?
Markus
VipertheSniper
08-16-20, 04:18 PM
A little wonder.
If Trump loose the election
Will CNN then cut down on the hours they send the news ?
Will they go from 24/7 to 1-2 hours per day instead ?
Markus
From what I hear you can only be mistaken, 1-2 hours of news would be an increase in news reporting :03::03:
Mr Quatro
08-16-20, 06:59 PM
A little wonder.
If Trump loose the election
Will CNN then cut down on the hours they send the news ?
Will they go from 24/7 to 1-2 hours per day instead ?
Markus
CNN won't get it's bonus check from Sorus :D
A little wonder.
If Trump loose the election
Will CNN then cut down on the hours they send the news ?
Will they go from 24/7 to 1-2 hours per day instead ?
Markus
They've only hated Trump for four years Markus. Before him it was anyone who opposed the Democrats and after Trump it will just transfer to the next opponent, if the new regime allows such things of course.
Cybermat47
08-17-20, 07:23 AM
The proposed vote by mail scheme is only supported by the Democrats because they figure it will give them an advantage. If the situation were reversed they would be far more vocal than Trump is now in taking the same position.
You know that most other western countries have mail voting systems, right? I’m actually bewildered by the fact that this is a controversial thing in the US. Especially in the middle of a pandemic that is out of control in the USA, when minimal physical contact is more important than ever.
What would they do without the Democrat party to treat them like special needs children?
What’s wrong with “special needs” people? My autism hasn’t stopped me from being a firefighter and has helped me get my dream job, so I don’t get your point.
Some left-wing Americans are certainly patronising and “nannying” towards minorities, if that’s what you’re saying.
Kptlt. Neuerburg
08-17-20, 10:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-nEHkgm_Gk
You know that most other western countries have mail voting systems, right?
Well we do too Wiseacre, it's called absentee balloting, but the reason the Democrats don't want to use it is that most states require witnesses or notarization and a valid ID to set it up. Instead they want to mail millions of ballots out without any verification of who is returning them.
Skybird
08-17-20, 05:34 PM
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/usps_ts/26102806/2-format1007.jpg
.................................................. .........War on mail voting!
Struttmann, Der Tagesspiegel
Skybird
08-17-20, 05:40 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/biden-trump-poll-of-polls-august-election/index.html
Former Vice President Joe Biden leads President Donald Trump (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html) by a nine-point margin nationally, according to a CNN Poll of Polls (https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/presidential-polls) on the general election matchup released Monday.Biden, (https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/candidate/biden) who is set to accept the Democratic nomination later this week, (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/biden-conventions-analysis/index.html)is backed by 51% of registered voters nationwide, while 42% support Trump.
The CNN poll conducted by SSRS released Sunday (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html) found Biden with 50% support and Trump at 46%. When averaged with other recent polls which showed lower support for Trump, the Poll of Polls yields a larger margin.
The Poll of Polls includes the six most recent national telephone polls measuring the views of registered voters. Only two of the six included polls were conducted entirely after Biden announced California Sen. Kamala Harris as his running mate. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/harris-trump-birther-attacks/index.html)
The polls conducted after Biden's historic selection of Harris (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/politics/kamala-harris-young-women-of-color/index.html)as his running mate largely find the pick to be received positively by the public: 52% of registered voters in CNN's poll called it an excellent or pretty good pick, including 82% of Democrats.
In the Washington Post/ABC News poll, 54% of Americans said they approved of Biden's choice of Harris, with 86% of Democrats approving of the pick.
But as voters voice their approval of Harris, they are also signaling their disapproval with Trump in recent polls that show his approval rating is largely underwater as the party conventions begin. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/politics/rnc-charlotte-press/index.html)
In the CNN poll, 42% of Americans approve and 54% disapprove of the President. In the Washington Post/ABC News poll, his rating stands at 43% approve to 55% disapprove. The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds 44% of registered voters approving of the President, with 53% disapproving, while the Fox News poll shows Trump's rating among registered voters at 44% approve to 54% disapprove.
Several recent polls have pegged interest and enthusiasm about the presidential race at historic levels. CNN's polling found -- for the first time in CNN's trend on this question back to 2003 -- a majority of voters saying they were "extremely enthusiastic" about voting in the presidential election. The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found 79% rating their interest in the election as a 9 or 10 on a 10-point scale, higher than in previous cycles.
The Fox News poll found interest in the election at a new high: 62% of voters said they were "extremely interested" in the presidential election, up from 54% in June and higher than it's been in polling back to the 2012 cycle.
Kptlt. Neuerburg
08-17-20, 11:13 PM
Well we do too Wiseacre, it's called absentee balloting, but the reason the Democrats don't want to use it is that most states require witnesses or notarization and a valid ID to set it up. Instead they want to mail millions of ballots out without any verification of who is returning them. Washington State, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, and Hawaii have universal all mail voting which gets sent to every eligible voter. States like Florida, Arizona, Maine, Idaho, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Illinois and Ohio you can get an absentee ballot for any reason. Other states like Texas, New York, South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, and Alabama do require you to have a reason to vote absentee and in five states fear of the Coronavirus isn't a valid one. It's up to the states NOT the Federal Government to decide how absentee ballots are handled. Also to vote absentee I'm pretty darn sure you have to be registered to vote BEFORE you can get an absentee ballot.
Buddahaid
08-17-20, 11:30 PM
Washington State, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, and Hawaii have universal all mail voting which gets sent to every eligible voter. States like Florida, Arizona, Maine, Idaho, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Illinois and Ohio you can get an absentee ballot for any reason. Other states like Texas, New York, South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, and Alabama do require you to have a reason to vote absentee and in five states fear of the Coronavirus isn't a valid one. It's up to the states NOT the Federal Government to decide how absentee ballots are handled. Also to vote absentee I'm pretty darn sure you have to be registered to vote BEFORE you can get an absentee ballot.
All true and shows the crap basis for vote by mail resistance. Really, are Republicans unable to use the mail? Too hard to figure out? Hiding behind some wall of only Republicans are honest and Democrats dishonest? Do you really think only Democrats will vote by mail or are you afraid high voter turnout will show the real public majority view?
Well?
Kptlt. Neuerburg
08-17-20, 11:36 PM
^That's the reason's for A: posting the video that I did and B: my signature.
Buddahaid
08-18-20, 12:29 AM
I find it strangely amusing that the old Vietnam era mantra of "Love it, or leave it" now applies to the the conservatives. Get on board with public consensus, or leave. We are a democratic republic and we must live with it whether we like it, or not. I'm not sure if I like it, in many cases I don't, but it is my country and it is my form of government, and I will live by it.
Isn't that what it stands for? Of the people, by the people, and for the people?
Well?
Skybird
08-18-20, 04:42 AM
All true and shows the crap basis for vote by mail resistance. Really, are Republicans unable to use the mail? Too hard to figure out? Hiding behind some wall of only Republicans are honest and Democrats dishonest? Do you really think only Democrats will vote by mail or are you afraid high voter turnout will show the real public majority view?
Well?
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2689502&postcount=10114
That ansered all these rhetorical question (meaning not you but Trump people trying to reduce the number of opposing voters). Their arguments are as ostensible as that for gerrymandering.
When it is about stealing the vote, anything goes, and no foul excuse is too foul as if it would not be given.
u crank
08-18-20, 06:33 AM
That ansered all these rhetorical question (meaning not you but Trump people trying to reduce the number of opposing voters). Their arguments are as ostensible as that for gerrymandering.
When it is about stealing the vote, anything goes, and no foul excuse is too foul as if it would not be given.
A little info on the vote by mail debate.
Swirling and sudden concerns about the United States Postal Service (USPS) have arisen from Democrats who are wildly accusing President Trump of cheating and manipulating the Postal Service in his favor.
Conveniently they forget to mention the president is more than an arms-length away from how we vote, and the Postal Service is not under the thumb of his control. Senate Democrats joined Republicans to unanimously install postal leadership — of which, one is an Obama appointee.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-vs-dems-on-mail-in-voting-jason-chaffetz
It must be noted elections in the United States are administered by counties and certified by states. In other words, per the United States Constitution, elections are run locally and not by the executive branch of the federal government.
Ironically, it is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s H.R. 1 that seeks to federalize elections and give the president power he doesn’t currently have now. Her solution would create the problem she inaccurately blames Trump for today.
The president of the United States does not control the operations of the Postal Service nor does he select or appoint the Postmaster General. The Board of Governors does both of these things. The Postal Regulatory Commission sets rates, service levels and decides on postal closings, not the president.
The Postal Service offers a variety of products and services. Pay for First Class mail and you get faster service. Pay for bulk mail and you get much slower service. It’s been that way for a long, long time. It’s not something President Trump conjured up to manipulate the election. And Pelosi and Schumer know it.
The internet is a marvelous thing. Information there is free and easily discovered.
Skybird
08-18-20, 06:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgQZExTciQM
"People who are still serving in this administration have said to me: Just wait until the second term! There will be no holds barred,m it will be Shock and Awe. We will do what we want!"
Didn't I said something similiar repeatedly?
Want more? Here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC03-Q9vq-JyiStTnqasADVg
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Catfish
08-18-20, 06:38 AM
The internet is a marvelous thing. Information there is free and easily discovered.
Yes, isn't it? And the world is so easy and pro-Trump according to Fox and friends.
Trump even admits he is undermining USPS to make it harder to vote by mail.
The USPS has longstanding financial woes, the limited resources are stretched thinner during the pandemic.
Up jumps Trump and threatens to dismantle the agency and privatize it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/trump-post-office-usps-election-funding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anx-nrbXoo0
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53772526
https://apnews.com/14a2ceda724623604cc8d8e5ab9890ed
Privatizing even might be a good idea, but not now and not in this situation. Trump surely wants to pay the debt with public money (read: taxes), then sell it to some private company for a symbolic dollar.
Socialize losses, privatize wins. And win the election via the side-effect.
u crank
08-18-20, 08:15 AM
Yes, isn't it? And the world is so easy and pro-Trump according to Fox and friends.
And once again we attack the messenger but don't debate the message. Why? Can you dispute any thing that Jason Chaffetz said in that article? Anything? Did you understand it?
Trump says a lot of stupid things. Nancy Pelosi says a lot of stupid things. People in the media say a lot of stupid things.
President Trump is not the God/King/Dictator that so many on the left imagine him to be. He is restrained by Congress, the Constitution and the Courts. Every single ruling by the courts that has gone against the Trump administration has been obeyed.
It doesn't matter what Trump says. It doesn't matter what he says he can do or even what he thinks he can do. It matters what he can do.
Internet is better than the Guardian or Fox News.
Cybermat47
08-18-20, 10:02 AM
How accurate would it be to say that Democrats and Republicans view each other as America’s true enemy these days? Because as an outsider, it honestly looks like both sides are more focused on each other than, say, the militarist and extremely anti-American nations of communist North Korea and Islamist Iran.
How accurate would it be to say that Democrats and Republicans view each other as America’s true enemy these days? Because as an outsider, it honestly looks like both sides are more focused on each other than, say, the militarist and extremely anti-American nations of communist North Korea and Islamist Iran.
Well said. I have the feeling that emotions irrationally have taken over rational behavior. Instead of debating who has better recipes for managing the issues within the country. My impression is that this does not happen, since a lot of people seem to have lost the ability to listen and argue on base of facts and science and not emotions. No democracy will last for ever with this mindset. A constitution does not help here either on the long run. A democracy has to be lived (good example is Switzerland) by the people, not by some ink on paper...
Although I do not view Trump as Republican... he is not a conservative by any means and I guess most Republican share this view although they might not admit it, especially those who need him currently.
I guess those veterans/group express it quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUBwxpDfLok.
Although much more Reps. would need to rise up to make a change now IMHO. Before they do not get rid of Trump , they will not manage to go back to the roots of Ronald Reagan and find their soul again...
u crank
08-18-20, 01:44 PM
More U.S. Postal Service info.
According to its most recent annual report ...
https://about.usps.com/what/financials/annual-reports/fy2019.pdf
...in fiscal year 2019, the Postal Service handled 142.5 billion pieces of mail. On any given day the Post Office physically processes and delivers 471 million pieces of mail to nearly 160 million delivery points.
In 2016, about 136 million Americans voted in the presidential election. If they all voted by mail which of course they wont or they can't that is not enough extra mail to cause a concern. Seems to me that some people are stoking fear and confusion for political gain.
Sorry I have changed my original comment I did it because I...to be honest... don't care.
Markus
Onkel Neal
08-18-20, 04:09 PM
Trump is aiming for the head now :O:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&v=0CszSlVp4tA&feature=emb_logo
u crank
08-18-20, 04:26 PM
Trump is aiming for the head now :O:
And in Biden's case even a brushback could cause damage.:D
Catfish
08-18-20, 04:33 PM
"Where was Joe Biden?"
As far as i know he was not president.
Luke warm piss.
Here is another video of the greatest POTUS ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZcErHHOLgY
I like this much more, because it is so to the point of what a kind of man Trump is :rotfl2:
Skybird
08-18-20, 05:05 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/postmaster-general-dejoy-suspends-changes-usps-until-after-election-n1237122
Poster master general gives in to pressure from attorneys, democarts. Well, does he? I'll believe it when I see it.
DeJoy's announcement came as Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro and Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson, both Democrats, shared their intention to file lawsuits against the postmaster general over his policy changes. At least 18 states are involved in the lawsuits.
When asked by reporters about DeJoy's announcement, both men laughed and said their lawsuits would proceed.
“I’ll believe it when I see it,” Shapiro said. “Hopefully the American people can breathe a sigh of relief, but I will not let my foot off the gas so long as the postal officials continue to violate the law through their procedural steps.”
The internet is a marvelous thing. Information there is free and easily discovered.
None of these people are interested in facts U Crank. Orangemanbad is their mantra and they will keep on chanting it. I hope that he wins in November just because it will drive them even more crazy than they are already.
Buddahaid
08-18-20, 05:55 PM
None of these people are interested in facts U Crank. Orangemanbad is their mantra and they will keep on chanting it. I hope that he wins in November just because it will drive them even more crazy than they are already.
Says the guy who supports the greatest liar for another term. But Trump's lies are true lies so they don't count as real lies because those lies are spoken by a Republican liar and we all know Republican liars are more honest liars which makes them better liars. :arrgh!:
Says the guy who supports the greatest liar for another term. But Trump's lies are true lies so they don't count as real lies because those lies are spoken by a Republican liar and we all know Republican liars are more honest liars which makes them better liars. :arrgh!:
Wow you sound just like Al Franken.
I don't ignore Trumps lies. I just don't give them much weight when I compare them to his actions. You want a silk tongued chameleon who will tell you want you want to hear while he stabs you in the back. That's what the professional political class in this country is all about and your boy Biden is a charter member of it.
Buddahaid
08-18-20, 06:32 PM
Silk tongue? Sounds like stammering these days.
Besides, the only thing I see Trump standing for is his own best interest and he has the ego to believe whats good for him is good for everybody. It isn't.
Mr Quatro
08-18-20, 06:49 PM
Says the guy who supports the greatest liar for another term. But Trump's lies are true lies so they don't count as real lies because those lies are spoken by a Republican liar and we all know Republican liars are more honest liars which makes them better liars. :arrgh!:
The only lies that count are the ones closer to the National Election
The biggest lie of all is still in the closet by Obama himself and it will bring down Biden with him trying to defend the lie.
Media will have no choice, but to react in a negative way towards the DNC :up:
Trump has another hole card :yep:
Could Kanye West's 2020 bid hurt Joe Biden and give a 'Hail Mary' boost to Donald Trump?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/08/18/could-kanye-wests-2020-bid-hurt-biden-and-give-trump-hail-mary/3359303001/
Rhonda Mangum doesn't think rapper Kanye West is a serious contender for the White House and would never cast a vote for the music mogul. But she is worried his candidacy could draw votes away from Democrat Joe Biden and help President Donald Trump on Nov. 3.
Buddahaid
08-18-20, 06:53 PM
That should be in The Onion.:haha:
Silk tongue? Sounds like stammering these days.
Biden is a figurehead who was literally propped up on stage last night. Is this a serious candidate or a political remake of Weekend at Bernies?
As for Trump I hear a lot of Dems saying that he's just in it for himself but if that were true I think he'd have avoided running for President at all. There's no profit in being President. In fact the only ones who do make money in politics are the professionals which are the exact same people that Donald Trump was elected to spite.
Buddahaid
08-18-20, 08:09 PM
Biden is a figurehead who was literally propped up on stage last night. Is this a serious candidate or a political remake of Weekend at Bernies?
As for Trump I hear a lot of Dems saying that he's just in it for himself but if that were true I think he'd have avoided running for President at all. There's no profit in being President. In fact the only ones who do make money in politics are the professionals which are the exact same people that Donald Trump was elected to spite.
So who's pulling Trumps strings then? There's always more to the picture and I don't see a unified Republican show behind him, and certainly, running and winning the presidency is a tough billet, but I still think his ego provides enough reward for him to take that step. He's been hinting at it for years for that matter.
So who's pulling Trumps strings then? There's always more to the picture and I don't see a unified Republican show behind him, and certainly, running and winning the presidency is a tough billet, but I still think his ego provides enough reward for him to take that step. He's been hinting at it for years for that matter.
I don't get what you mean. Just because Biden is a puppet then Trump must be one as well, or is this just another instance of the Democrat tactic of accusing others for things they are guilty of themselves.
As for Republicans they are united just fine. Something like 80-90% of Republican voters have supported Trump ever since he was elected and none of the mud thrown at him has changed that.
Buddahaid
08-18-20, 08:37 PM
Okay, that's how you see it but I don't buy it.
Okay, that's how you see it but I don't buy it.
That's fine. I don't buy anything you say either.
Buddahaid
08-18-20, 08:43 PM
Cheers!:Kaleun_Cheers:
Skybird
08-19-20, 02:42 AM
Six revelations in Senate intel report on 2016 Russian interference
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/five-revelations-senate-intel-report-2016-russian-interference-n1237184
Bilge_Rat
08-19-20, 11:53 AM
Gregg Jarrett: Trump didn’t collude with Russia to get elected, Senate panel belatedly concludes
The whole Trump-Russia collusion narrative was a deviously contrived
It took the committee three years to figure out the obvious. Its report released Tuesday said there is “absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election.”
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-russia-collusion-senate-gregg-jarrett
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-russia-collusion-senate-gregg-jarrett
Republican Senators Misrepresent Their Own Russia Report
https://www.lawfareblog.com/republican-senators-misrepresent-their-own-russia-report
The report, write six of the GOP members, “exhaustively reviews the counterintelligence threats and vulnerabilities to the 2016, but never explicitly states the critical fact: the Committee found no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government in its efforts to meddle in the election” (emphasis in original). The current acting chairman of the committee, Marco Rubio, went further in a statement of his own: “We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election.”
Really? Absolutely no evidence? Sen. Rubio can say that without even a moment’s hesitation?
Rubio should take a moment to hesitate over his own report. Reading the whole thing would, admittedly, take a while. But it doesn’t seem unreasonable to expect him and his colleagues to have a rudimentary understanding of the findings section at the beginning, which is a kind of executive summary.
Here are some of the committee’s own findings about Trump campaign engagement with the Russian electoral interference—findings subscribed to by each and every one of the senators who protests that they did not find “collusion”:
"The Committee found that Manafort’s presence on the Campaign and proximity to Trump created opportunities for Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign. Taken as a whole, Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services . . . represented a grave counterintelligence threat.”
"While [Russian military intelligence] and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those leaks to aid Trump’s electoral prospects. Staff on the Trump Campaign sought advance notice about WikiLeaks releases, created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release, and encouraged further leaks. The Trump Campaign publicly undermined the attribution of the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia and was indifferent to whether it and WikiLeaks were furthering a Russian election interference effort.”
“Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks’s planned releases through Roger Stone.”
“The Committee further found that Papadopoulos’s efforts introduced him to several individuals that raise counterintelligence concerns, due to their associations with individuals from hostile foreign governments, as well as actions these individuals undertook. The Committee assesses that Papadopoulos was not a witting cooptee of the Russian intelligence services, but nonetheless presented a prime intelligence target and potential vector for malign Russian influence.”
It goes on. And on. And on.
I have only scanned the full document so far and don’t pretend to have read it thoroughly. Nor do I have any desire to argue with Rubio over what patterns of conduct do and do not constitute “collusion”—a term with no adequately specific meaning to be of any use. Life is short.
I will, however, venture three initial observations on the report.
First, the Senate Republicans—however they may characterize their findings—have knifed the president in the back. They have, as an initial matter, validated the major findings of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report. They have, in important respects, gone beyond them; they are more aggressive in some of their findings than Mueller was. For example, they assert confidently that Konstantin Kilimnik, the business associate of one-time Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, is a Russian intelligence officer, whereas Mueller did not go that far. Where Mueller was confined to that which he could prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt, the Intelligence Committee could be a little laxer in reporting its findings. It could also focus on counterintelligence questions, where Mueller by regulation and perhaps by preference chose to confine himself to the criminal law.
The result is that where Mueller would often stop short of certain conclusions because they could not be “established”—meaning proven with admissible evidence beyond a reasonable doubt—the Senate Intelligence Committee report is more open to findings on bases short of criminal law standards.
One of them involves what we might colloquially call “collusion.” Did Manafort participate in some material respect in the Russian hacking and dumping operation? The Senate Intelligence Committee, notwithstanding Rubio’s and his colleagues’ protestations, concludes that the matter is unclear. “Manafort’s involvement with the GRU hack-and-leak operation is largely unknown,” the committee writes.
Oh.
“Kilimnik was in sustained contact with Manafort before, during and after the GRU cyber and influence operations, but the Committee did not obtain reliable, direct evidence that Kilimnik and Manafort discussed the GRU hack-and-leak operation.”
Oh.
“Two pieces of information, however, raise the possibility of Manafort’s potential connection to the hack-and-leak operations.”
Oh.
The two pieces of information in question are substantially redacted, so it’s impossible to tell how suggestive they might be. But it’s hard to read passages like this one and come away thinking that the major takeaway here is that there is absolutely no evidence of collusion.
Yet that is the point Republican senators want you to take away regarding their findings. It’s as though every Republican member of the Senate Intelligence Committee had a hand in writing Volume I of the Mueller Report but wanted to make sure the president wasn’t upset at them about their own findings. The result is a set of highly suggestive, even devastating, sections and hundreds upon hundreds of pages about the conduct of the president’s campaign, staff, transition, and family. But the Republican members have stamped the report with a big red “No Collusion Found!” stamp, as though that will change the meaning of the words they have written.
Second, they have also knifed Attorney General William Barr in the back. Barr has been on a year-long campaign to discredit the Mueller findings and argue that the Russia investigation should never have taken place. He has disparaged the whole thing as “political spying” and intimated darkly that some conspiracy lies behind it all.
Yet here is the unanimous Senate Intelligence Committee calling “grave” the counterintelligence threat posed by the Trump campaign chairman, calling another advisor “a prime intelligence target and potential vector for malign Russian influence,” and describing the candidate himself as seeking advance notice of the disclosure of Russian-stolen emails by WikiLeaks. It is one thing for Mueller to make such findings. It is quite another for the Republican senators themselves to do so—all the while acting as though they are not accusing Trump of anything untoward.
How exactly could the FBI not investigate such things? If and when Barr comes forward with his theory of how the FBI’s Russia investigation was born in some kind of original sin, he will now be arguing not just with former FBI Director Jim Comey and with Bob Mueller and the Justice Department inspector general, he’ll be arguing as well with all of the Republican members of the Intelligence Committee—all of whom have now publicly taken the position at great length and in neurotic detail, that the Trump campaign was replete with counterintelligence vulnerabilities.
Third, while I have contempt for the rhetoric of these Republican senators and I find it almost mind-boggling to try to reconcile the text of this report with their votes in the impeachment only a few short months ago, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the public service they have done here. Yes, they are lying about having done it—pretending they found things other than what they found and did not find the things they actually found. And yes, they are almost religiously evading the moral, legal, and democratic consequences of what they found.
But unlike their counterparts in the House of Representatives, they allowed this investigation to take place. They ran a bipartisan, serious investigation. They worked with their Democratic colleagues to insulate it from an environment rife with pressures. And they produced a report that is a worthy contribution to our understanding of what happened four years ago.
Now all they need to do is tell the truth about what they found.
Onkel Neal
08-19-20, 02:20 PM
Well said. I have the feeling that emotions irrationally have taken over rational behavior. Instead of debating who has better recipes for managing the issues within the country. My impression is that this does not happen, since a lot of people seem to have lost the ability to listen and argue on base of facts and science and not emotions. No democracy will last for ever with this mindset. A constitution does not help here either on the long run. A democracy has to be lived (good example is Switzerland) by the people, not by some ink on paper...
Although I do not view Trump as Republican... he is not a conservative by any means and I guess most Republican share this view although they might not admit it, especially those who need him currently.
I guess those veterans/group express it quite well: [].
Although much more Reps. would need to rise up to make a change now IMHO. Before they do not get rid of Trump , they will not manage to go back to the roots of Ronald Reagan and find their soul again...
Those vets are right, Trump was a draft dodger, no doubt. The problem for the Republican party is, the GOP lets their members decide who the candidate will be and they selected Trump. The Democratic party picks the candidate for the members, that's why Bernie was screwed over twice.
If the Dems had not sabotaged Tulsi gabbard, I'll be lining up behind her. To vote.
Those vets are right, Trump was a draft dodger, no doubt. The problem for the Republican party is, the GOP lets their members decide who the candidate will be and they selected Trump. The Democratic party picks the candidate for the members, that's why Bernie was screwed over twice.
If the Dems had not sabotaged Tulsi gabbard, I'll be lining up behind her. To vote.
This generate another question has it ever happened that a party have chosen another candidate then their president.
I seem to recall what a Swedish journalist once said
It's common here in the State, that the President is chosen as their candidate
I think he said this when Obama was President and the election was not far away.
Secondly isn't it so, that the opposition have to find a candidate and they do so by holding type of election in different States-if not all of them until they have found one ?
Markus
Interesting.
Have just read this in a Danish article
(Translated)
Viral photo claims to show Trump's sabotage, but the truth is another
A picture of Wisconsin-deposited mailboxes went viral and was used as evidence of Trump's 'sabotage' of the election campaign. But the picture is fake news.
In recent days, a picture of deposited mailboxes in the US state of Wisconsin has gone viral.
According to the sender, the context was clear: The mailboxes will be removed in Wisconsin - which is an important swing state in the autumn presidential election - because President Donald Trump and his new postmaster are in the process of sabotaging the possibility of postal voting in a coordinated attempt to undermine American democracy .
There is only one problem with using the image in this context: it is so-called fake news.
Fact checkers from the American Politifact unequivocally state that the image from Wisconsin cannot be related to the debate about an undermining of the postal votes. According to the postal service, this is a routine relocation and renewal of the mailboxes, and the mailboxes in question have been deposited with a permanent subcontractor in Wisconsin because they need to be renovated.
Facebook has now removed a similar post from the same sender as part of social media's fight against misinformation.
Twitter, on the other hand, still lets the user spread misinformation. At the time of writing, the above tweet has been shared more than 82,000 times.
(This is what I find interesting-while they remove things from Trump, if they see it as fake news or similar. They let fake news stay if it goes against Trump)
The image has also been used by many media and commentators both in the United States and internationally in connection with the discussion about President Trump and the United States Post Office. Including Danish TV 2, which has now added a correction to the article where the picture is included.
The case shows how important it is that the media, commentators and everyone else show the necessary source criticism.
Another problem in this context is that the sender was also not declared clearly and distinctly. Thomas Kennedy is a left-wing activist who has previously worked for Bernie Sanders, making him a party source.
It is also important to keep in mind that it is still an unsubstantiated claim that the mailboxes should generally be removed in a systematic attempt by Trump to sabotage the election. An allegation made against the President of the United States by his political opponents.
The examples highlighted in this context include the states of Oregon and New York. In other words, states that Republicans have not won since 1984 and where Trump received less than 40 percent of the vote in 2016.
Therefore, one should first ask oneself: Does it sound realistic to start a large-scale sabotage of the electoral process in arch-democratic states that Trump has no realistic chance of winning?
The postal service itself has been out and explain that these are routine procedures where non-frequently used mailboxes are removed or moved, just as there are ongoing renovations of mailboxes across the country.
Incidentally, this was (of course) also the case under Trump's predecessor Barack Obama, and the postal service's financial problems, rigid rules and inability to adapt its operations to the digital transformation are thus a story that goes back many years.
The images of the removed mailboxes therefore serve as an important learning on the way into the crucial phase of the US election campaign, for it is neither the first nor the last time that anyone will try to influence the election campaign with false information.
End of article
Markus
Skybird
08-19-20, 03:51 PM
The Dems need to keep AOC under volume control. She could really ruin Biden's chances if sounding too left sand so makign the party look even leftier, and ultimately too left for too many voters. Even Sanders understood this and bit into cotton wool balls before speaking at the convention. I am not so convinced that AOC did understand this.
I am certainly not concerned about lefty chances in US elections. I only worry about Trump getting another term. So please, Democrats: do not spoil it.
Once you have won and Trump is gone, I am looking forward to give you hell as well! :up: :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S_Xl2eOeeY
The Democrats put Elizabeth Warren on the Native American Caucus! :har:
em2nought
08-19-20, 05:43 PM
The Dems need to keep AOC under volume control. She could really ruin Biden's chances if sounding too left sand so makign the party look even leftier, and ultimately too left for too many voters.
Biden is just the Trojan horse, inside it's all AOC. The democratic party has moved lock, stock, and barrel way to the left. They hate America, it just took electing Trump for them to let us see it. Somehow they think that the America they hate can "do" communism better than those who have tried it before. :har:
Mr Quatro
08-19-20, 07:04 PM
Biden is just the Trojan horse, inside it's all AOC. The democratic party has moved lock, stock, and barrel way to the left. They hate America, it just took electing Trump for them to let us see it. Somehow they think that the America they hate can "do" communism better than those who have tried it before. :har:
A vote for Biden is a vote for Harris to be the next potential POTUS
Nobody seems to see anything wrong with this :hmmm:
Pelosi wins too if the democrats retain the House majority :oops:
Let that sink in ... :o
Oh I forgot Skybird can't vote ... just think like the others that bad mouth Trump :yep:
DNC 2020: Biden running mate Harris savages Trump 'failure'
Kamala Harris has accepted her historic nomination as the US Democratic party's vice-presidential candidate, running with Joe Biden for the White House.
The California senator, the first US black running mate on a major-party ticket, assailed US President Donald Trump's "failure of leadership".
She said the Republican leader "turns our tragedies into political weapons".
Mr Biden and Ms Harris will challenge Mr Trump and his Vice-President Mike Pence in the election on 3 November.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53844037
Skybird
08-20-20, 12:17 AM
The year has 53 weeks. Not.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/devastation-middle-class-it-now-takes-53-weeks-median-wages-year-pay-basic-needs
As I red today, and that is true for everywhere:
"Central bank balance sheets are like ammonium nitrate".
If you think the one has nothing to do with the other, think twice. And then think again until you hear that sound from that penny dropping.
Skybird
08-20-20, 12:46 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-qanon-conspiracy-theory-suppose-be-bad-thing-n1237358
:dead:
Big Brother on TV is a program for scholars and intellectuals, compared to this dwarf.
Skybird
08-20-20, 04:01 AM
Got parts of Obama's speech at their convention. Very sharp attack on Trump, but it keeps me wondering. Harris have brought the Dems a mssive raise in fincialo donations, more than Biden could have hoped for by his own means. And Biden needs plenty of flank protection. Why haven't they made Harris main candidate and then somebody else her vice? Leaves me wondering whether Obama really thinks Biden was th ebest card to play, and maybe he is becasue of that doubt so sharp in his engagement.
On the other hand Trump has uifairly and often maliciously attacked Obama so often and kicked below the belt so often, that wanting to get the score straighter maybe is understandable.
I am no fan of Obama. But one thing one has to give to him. He shows a class and style that Trump could not even dream of to ever reach, even if living for a thousand years.
FeatsOfStrength
08-20-20, 05:06 AM
https://i.imgur.com/tRI7CCV.jpg
Can't wait to vote this year, even for a mediocre/bad candidate like Biden.. Trump is in my opinion the worst President to sit in the Oval office.
u crank
08-20-20, 05:20 AM
Why haven't they made Harris main candidate and then somebody else her vice?
You should know that it doesn't work that way. They don't 'make' anyone their candidate. There is a process to become the nominee. Harris failed miserably in her attempt to become the nominee. She couldn't win her home state of California and dropped out early. It would appear that her main qualifications to be the VP pick by Biden's own admission is her gender and her race. Her shinning moment in the Democrat primary was accusing Joe Biden of being a racist.
Catfish
08-20-20, 05:21 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-qanon-conspiracy-theory-suppose-be-bad-thing-n1237358
:dead:
No surprise here.
It becomes increasingly difficult to discriminate
between political motivation and mental illness.
Steve Bannon, architect of Trump's 2016 win, charged with defrauding border-wall donors:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-bannon/steve-bannon-architect-of-trumps-2016-win-charged-with-defrauding-border-wall-donors-idUSKBN25G1J4?il=0
Bannon was among four people arrested on Thursday and charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering in an indictment secured by federal prosecutors in Manhattan. Prosecutors accused the defendants of defrauding hundreds of thousands of donors through a $25 million crowdfunding campaign called “We Build the Wall,” the Justice Department said. They each face up to 40 years in prison.
Prosecutors said Bannon received more than $1 million of that money through an unnamed nonprofit organization.
Also charged were Brian Kolfage, 38, Andrew Badolato, 56, and Timothy Shea, 49, who prosecutors said were involved in the effort.
Kolfage took $350,000 for his personal use, according to the indictment. A triple-amputee U.S. Air Force veteran, Kolfage formerly ran a company that made millions of dollars running right-wing media websites. He first pledged to send donations to the U.S. government when he launched the effort in December 2018, but then said he would use the money to hire private contractors and build the wall on their own.
Hey em2nought, hows that #GoFundTheWall (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=239431) doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9GuwuOVZc
Subnuts
08-20-20, 12:11 PM
(Person)Steve Bannon was (verb)arrested (place)at sea by the (organization) post office for committing (crime)mail fraud.
Hate to break it to you guys, but I think God is just playing Madlibs at this point.
Saw a short video clip where former President Obama was criticizing President Trump.
I was thinking...I'm not an American I do not have 110 % insight in American politics, so it may be ok for a former POTUS to criticize a sitting POTUS..
I wonder though what have you done for the American, not the rich, but the poor, the workers and many other things, things which made many American put their vote on Trump last election.
Later in the news a Journalist, who are an expert on American politics said
This is out of the ordinary, never in modern US politics have a former president criticised a sitting President.
Markus
Onkel Neal
08-20-20, 03:04 PM
I am no fan of Obama. But one thing one has to give to him. He shows a class and style that Trump could not even dream of to ever reach, even if living for a thousand years.
Yeah, he does, but class and style didn't do anything to help the country during his 8 years.
Why haven't they made Harris main candidate and then somebody else her vice?
Are you kidding? She was in the running and was one of the first to fail and get out of the race. The Dem voters didn't want her, they preferred 10 other candidates over her. Yes, here she is, running as VP? Want to guess why?
Skybird
08-20-20, 03:22 PM
Yeah, he does, but class and style didn't do anything to help the country during his 8 years.
And Trump...?
Are you kidding? She was in the running and was one of the first to fail and get out of the race. The Dem voters didn't want her, they preferred 10 other candidates over her. Yes, here she is, running as VP? Want to guess why?She she seems to bring in voters. And already got more donations right now for the campaign than Biden so far managed to bring in, I read.
I also read that now he wants Americans to boycott Goodyear. Did nobody tell him that his limousine "The Beast" rolls on Goodyear special tires? :D
Really, its absurd to constantly bash ob Obama when comariong to Trump. I did smack Obama myself, too, for his international policy things. But compared to Trump, nationally as well as internationally,all american presidents I have expoerience din ym adult life so far were lesser evil. Trump is the absolute worst casd scenario. Make it worse than Trump, and you nation will fall apart and go upo in flames.
In a second term, he must not hold back anymore, as long as he does not want to try changing rules so to get a third term, like some of his idols use to do it at home in Russia, China, Belarus, Turkey. Trump years 5-8 will be much, much worse than years 1-4. For you. For us. For everybody.
And not forgetting one thing. Trump'S handling of the Corona virus has led to the needless death of more Americans than was inevitable, more than there have been casualties in Vietnam, Korea, Ireaq, afghanistan, or any other war back to the world wars. He walks on a road of dead bodies that still could live with a more competent administration in charge of managing the virus cirsis. - Means: no other American president has kicked you into such a loss of citizens' lives , than this one has. To call him a monster, would only be fair. And the body count is still far from over.
u crank
08-20-20, 03:48 PM
She she seems to bring in voters. And already got more donations right now for the campaign than Biden so far managed to bring in, I read.
Donations are not votes.
In a second term, he must not hold back anymore, as long as he does not want to try changing rules so to get a third term
You are doing it again. Where do you come up with this stuff? It is not possible. Stop worrying about it.
And not forgetting one thing. Trump'S handling of the Corona virus has led to the needless death of more Americans than was inevitable, more than there have been casualties in Vietnam, Korea, Ireaq, afghanistan, or any other war back to the world wars. He walks on a road of dead bodies that still could live with a more competent administration in charge of managing the virus cirsis. - Means: no other American president has kicked you into such a loss of citizens' lives , than this one has. To call him a monster, would only be fair. And the body count is still far from over.
You are doing it again. Such nonsense. Might I remind you once again of how the American system works. The President does not control what individual states do and how they handle such situations. He doesn't have that power. Nor does he control Congress. When the Covid problem should have been addressed by The House, guess what they were busy doing?
It's kind of funny that you and others think that the President should have unlimited powers to solve problems and at the same time fret that he will somehow give himself unlimited power.
To much CNN.
If there's something I wonder I ask my American friends how, why and who when it comes to American politics.
I have also learned the answer I have been given I keep for myself.
I have fully confidence that what you have told me is 100 % correct.
Reason when a friend/friends friend or a Danish/Swedish newspaper have an article about Trump and someone wrote thing I knew wasn't correct(from what you have told me) I use to write a comment an little correction and oh man....never again.
Markus
Skybird
08-20-20, 04:08 PM
U crank
You are too trusting in written rules. And rules can be changed. If not legally, then by use of force, fraud, cheating, psychological manipulation, media control. Nothing of that is unheard of. And nothing of it is something Trump shies away from.
He has explicitly said and confirmed that often enough. And his fans let him get away with it, and excuse him.
This way, tyranny gets born.
Your implication that Trump had no effect on the handling of corona, is, sorry, naive.
A question(again)
As u crank wrote
"The President does not control what individual states do and how they handle such situations"
Isn't there some kind of Presidential order in which he can give general orders to all the States
(I have forgot what they are called)
Markus
u crank
08-20-20, 05:02 PM
You are too trusting in written rules. And rules can be changed. If not legally, then by use of force, fraud, cheating, psychological manipulation, media control. Nothing of that is unheard of. And nothing of it is something Trump shies away from.
The written rules that you are talking about is the US Constitution. You seem to have an assumption that Trump can change that (he can't) and that if he tried everyone would just sit back and let him. In every single case that has been ruled against the Trump administration by the courts they have abided by those rulings. Which ones are you talking about? Use of force? It isn't Trump's supporters that are rioting in the streets. Cheating? It isn't the Trump administration that is interfering in the campaign of a political rival. That was the Obama administration. Media control? Who does CNN and the NYT shill for?
I think that you are venturing into the conspiracy theory land and you should know better.
He has explicitly said and confirmed that often enough. And his fans let him get away with it, and excuse him.
Quotes please if you would be so kind.
Skybird
08-20-20, 05:20 PM
The written rules that you are talking about is the US Constitution. You seem to have an assumption that Trump can change that (he can't) and that if he tried everyone would just sit back and let him. In every single case that has been ruled against the Trump administration by the courts they have abided by those rulings. Which ones are you talking about? Use of force? It isn't Trump's supporters that are rioting in the streets. Cheating? It isn't the Trump administration that is interfering in the campaign of a political rival. That was the Obama administration. Media control? Who does CNN and the NYT shill for?
I think that you are venturing into the conspiracy theory land and you should know better.
Quotes please if you would be so kind.
This question must be a running joke. Or you have no TV and news media.
No I am not so kind, because it would be dumb to do it ONCE AGAIN. I mean you jusr accused ME of conspiracy theory while Trump in the last 36 hours has reasoned about, once again, how great QAnon is.
You lead it ad absurdum. In best Trumpian style.
Liberty dies with thunderous applaus. Tyrants mostly creep in by pretending to be "legal" in their ways. And its always happening for the good and just cause.
History is full of this pattern.
u crank
08-20-20, 06:20 PM
This question must be a running joke. Or you have no TV and news media.
So no quotes? And I am not talking about his jokingly saying he should get a third term. Perhaps you mean this ..
"We are going to win four more years," Trump said at a rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin on Monday. "And then after that, we'll go for another four years because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years."
That was clearly a joke meant to get people like you and Chris Cillizza in a TDS tizzy. Apparently it worked.
I mean you jusr accused ME of conspiracy theory while Trump in the last 36 hours has reasoned about, once again, how great QAnon is.
Well Skybird that's Trump not me. You seem confused. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, I try to debunk them. It may come as a surprise to you but I am not a big fan of Donald Trump. I don't care for him so you should not confuse my debunking some of the ridiculous things you say with defending him. What I care about is getting the facts straight and not letting political bias get in the way of that.
Let me assure you once again that Donald Trump nor anyone else will not get a third term in office. I hope you will sleep better knowing that.
This may help.
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
The 22nd Amendment to the Constitution
Mr Quatro
08-20-20, 08:49 PM
You are too easy to spin up Sky :o
You are going to bust a gut if you keep up your tirade against President Trump :yep:
What about the nation we live in and it's perceptions of the direction the country would go if Biden/Harris should win in November?
They deserve more attention than how bad you perceive our present elected leader to be.
That's all I'm going to say about your one way mind :yep:
Buddahaid
08-20-20, 09:23 PM
Why does everyone assume the elected party will just change everything? What change happens is almost a miracle these days. Biden will be just as hog tied as Trump has been and there will be little real change, and what change there is, will be the result how the nation votes. It's always too bad if you don't like it but that's how the system works.
It may come as a surprise to you but I am not a big fan of Donald Trump. I don't care for him so you should not confuse my debunking some of the ridiculous things you say with defending him. What I care about is getting the facts straight and not letting political bias get in the way of that.
You keep saying this. It doesn't make it true. Sorry.
em2nought
08-21-20, 12:09 AM
Damn, I wonder how many bottles of Prevagen they poured down Biden's throat prior to that speech? :har: Can somebody O.D. on Prevagen?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/stephen-bannon-arrested-charged/2020/08/20/6d46847c-e2ea-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_bannon-mts-701pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans
Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon was charged Aug. 20 with defrauding donors to an online fundraising campaign to build a border wall. (Zach Purser Brown/The Washington Post)
Federal prosecutors in New York unsealed criminal charges Thursday against Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, and three other men they alleged defrauded donors to a massive crowdfunding campaign that claimed to be raising money for construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.
In a 23-page indictment, prosecutors said Bannon and another organizer, Air Force veteran Brian Kolfage, lied when they claimed they would not take any compensation as part of the campaign, called “We Build the Wall.” Bannon, prosecutors alleged, received more than $1 million through a nonprofit entity he controlled, sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to Kolfage while keeping a “substantial portion” for himself.
Problematic time for DT?
Skybird
08-21-20, 03:54 AM
The problem I have with some people is that they mastercopy Trump himself. Somethign I or others complain about has been reprted severla times. It was repeated behaviour by Trump. Rpoorted, logged and proven int he media. And then sombody strolls along and rejects that it happened, or acts as if it neve rhappened and demands evertyhig ebring rushe dback to the starting line: "Prove it. Quote it. Run in endless circles. Jump through the ring when i hold it up." And then you do it, and you may even repeatedly do it over the weeks and months. And nxt time the other once again acts as if none of that was ever said,m was ever done, and he insists that it is a brandnew and must be dmeocstrated and quoted and supported once again. An endless battle for futility. Reality-denial, reality-rewriting. Maybe you once again spend the time to recollect quotes and events and reprts, and link them once again. The reaction will be the same just a short timemalter: it never happened. "Repeat please. "hat have you said? Could you prove that, i hear that for the ist time!? You mean his claims a consporiation theory?, No , YOU are claiming conspiration theory! You mean he doe snto care for the laws? No, YOU do not know the laws. "
Pure destruction of means of communication. Reality gets denied, and replaced with a fabricated construction.
Nervtötend.
u crank
08-21-20, 04:56 AM
You keep saying this. It doesn't make it true. Sorry.
Sorry. What makes it true or not is some evidence. Do you have any?
Skybird
08-21-20, 05:11 AM
Ah. Somebody has run out things he then can ignore again...
Sorry. What makes it true or not is some evidence. Do you have any?Sure.
On the previous page, in post #10205 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2690787&postcount=10205) you say (about Kamala Harris):
"Her shinning moment in the Democrat primary was accusing Joe Biden of being a racist."
It took me under five minutes to check the validity of that and surprise surprise, she never accused Biden of being a racist.
Here's a clip of the debate in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6-UC8yr0Aw
This but one of the many times you've shown how "unbiased" you are in finding your facts. To the point that I am starting to suspect you are here for no other reason than to troll. You sure act like one these days.
u crank
08-21-20, 05:52 AM
The problem I have with some people is that they mastercopy Trump himself.
Ah. Somebody has run out things he then can ignore again...
Skybird you should look in a mirror. Over and over you say things that are simply inaccurate. When those things are challenged your answer is the above statements rather than a factual argument? When I read some of the things you say it is obvious that you are not in any way knowledgable about US politics. I never make comments in the German, UK or Russian politics threads because I don't know anything about them. I don't consider myself an expert on US politics but have had more than just a casual interest since the Watergate hearings. What I would suggest is that before you say something like "Why haven't they made Harris main candidate and then somebody else her vice?" you should look into the process and what actually happened to Harris. She was a total failure as a candidate. That's why.
The very idea that Trump will somehow get a third term is a leftwing conspiracy dream meant to cause paranoia and fear in the minds of people who don't have knowledge. It is not based on any facts or the ability to accomplish it. If you are going to post about it expect to be challenged and asked to prove it.
Problematic time for DT?
Why? Because you hope so?
Why? Because you hope so?Why would I hope so? If you "believe it" then you have a wrong idea about me. Note that my thread was objective ... but the person has a connection to DT!
u crank
08-21-20, 06:55 AM
It took me under five minutes to check the validity of that and surprise surprise, she never accused Biden of being a racist.
I watched that debate live Dowly. Why would anyone say such a thing? There is no doubt in my mind that when Harris said " I do not believe you are a racist" she was attempting to paint Biden as a racist without actually saying it. It is an old trick. It's like when you are arguing with you wife and she says "I'm not upset" But you know she is. She then goes on to point out why she thinks that. She connects him to two guys who were racists and his opposition to busing. She didn't actually utter the words "Joe you are a racist", but her intent was pretty clear. To help you out I'll say that she 'implied' that Biden was a racist. Better?
This but one of the many times you've shown how "unbiased" you are in finding your facts. To the point that I am starting to suspect you are here for no other reason than to troll. You sure act like one these days.
So political opinion and observation is trolling?
Speaking of trolling ....
Hey em2nought, hows that #GoFundTheWall doing?
Platapus
08-21-20, 07:05 AM
This should probably be merged in with the US politics thread.
Skybird
08-21-20, 07:15 AM
u crank,
what have I actually said? This:
" In a second term, he must not hold back anymore, as long as he does not want to try changing rules so to get a third term, like some of his idols use to do it at home in Russia, China, Belarus, Turkey. Trump years 5-8 will be much, much worse than years 1-4. For you. For us. For everybody."
The core thing I said in that however is printed in green.
Rules can be broken. Rules can be changed. Putin changed the constitution, formally legally. The German Basic Law has seen additions since the 80s, for slightly more constructive purpose, I would claim. Erdoghan tweaked the constitutionm to his personal benefit. Lukashenko simply dodges the rules and foirges eleciton outcomes. China - well, you know the story. The GDR was formally a democratic republic - like the American state claims to be democratic, and a republic. The GDR formally staged elections. Everything was according to the laws and rules.
The American laws and rules can be changed, hijacked or whatever, too, both legally or illegally. It only takes enough minions who wave it through. Senate has blocked impeachement of Trump going on, not because of relevant evidence proving Trump's innocence, but because his minions shod it off, and said in advance they would not care for any facts, buttu would block it NO MATTER WHAT.
No, the system is not inerrible and unfallible and invincible. In fact it is overaged and outdated, badlöy equipped for the present challenges. And for the degeneration of political culture as we see it in the present happening, it is not suited well and was not designed to handle such circumstances. Its quite helpless when even insanity like QAnon now is set to become a legal political force, invited and greeted and graced by the carricature of a president himself.
Trump is a rule breaker, and he is that because he is quite incapable, especially at honest fair play. He is neither honest, nor does he ever play fair, and when he does not get his will, he calls the other "unfair(tm)!". Somebody whose life narration always twists the narration of reality so that he appears as the big sooper dooper mega guy winning it all even where he just had run another thing into the ground. He lives in his own fantasy world, fantasizing about himself and his marvel-comic-like super hero status. He claimed to his assistants that he has "magical authorities". Meanwhile, the number of court complaints against his business actions count by the legions.
He has gotten away with highly dubious manouvers, bending the rules, breakingn them in my understanding, and he got away because often (not always) the system was not prepared for somethign like him hitting it. He has made it clear on several occasions, sometimes mysteriously hinmting at something, sometimes staying vague, sometimes being more clear about it, that he will not accept a defeat at the elections without setting up a battle NO MATTER WHAT, and I am quite certain he will even do it when the defeat is clear and unquestionable - because of two reasons: first, it violates his narration about himself of beign invincible, god-like, and sooper-dooper wonder boy who always wins, wins, wins. He has not won any significant battle in his life life. He always got away with something, that is somethign different than a constructive win, or gain. And second, he knows by now that there are many, many idiots in the country who would even believe him and hang on his lips if he tells them he comes from Sirius and is the galactic emperor bringing peace to all the galaxy. The past four years showed it in all depressing clearness: too many people believe him just everything. EVERYTHING.
Now I said that he will not need to have remorse in a second temr, because he cannot have another - and I implied that he would need to not shock away voters only in case he would plan to once again go head-on to break the rules and change the rules and go after a third term. That was more an additional explanation of what alone would limit him in a second term , would need him to be more careful . I posted a video two or three days ago, the guy in it said he was told by the Trump clique that the second term will be "Shock & Awe", and that they plan to do whatever they like.
skidman
08-21-20, 07:34 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that when Harris said " I do not believe you are a racist" she was attempting to paint Biden as a racist without actually saying it.
Wait a minute: You are the one who constantly claims he is discussing facts and opinions do not matter. In this case Dowly has clearly proven you wrong, and all you come up with is your interpretation of what was actually meant? Sorry, but this is lame (to say the least).
This should probably be merged in with the US politics thread. Yes! Thanks plat.:up:
u crank
08-21-20, 08:21 AM
In this case Dowly has clearly proven you wrong, and all you come up with is your interpretation of what was actually meant? Sorry, but this is lame (to say the least).
Really? Ok. What exactly is your interpration of what Ms. Harris saying in the clip? If she is not suggesting that Biden is a racist why does she connect him to racists and racist policies? Is there another explanation? The whole point of these debates is to do exactly what Harris did. Take down the other candidates. That is what she did to Biden. He actually defended himself quite well when she would let him speak.
You can call it my interpretation if you like but it isn't me speaking, it's Ms. Harris.
Wait a minute: You are the one who constantly claims he is discussing facts and opinions do not matter. In this case Dowly has clearly proven you wrong, and all you come up with is your interpretation of what was actually meant? Sorry, but this is lame (to say the least).
Exactly. He is speculating. The only facts we have is what Harris said, and she could have said it for the simple reason that she didn't want anyone speculating if she thought Biden was a racist. I don't know, again all we have is what she says and it is the opposite of 'accusing Biden of being a racist'.
As for trolling, u_crank I think we need to sit down and talk about what trolling is. I see the word used wrong here quite a bit. What I was doing at em2nought was rubbing it in, because he was very vocal about the gofundme thing. That is not trolling.
What you are doing is you say one thing and then say/do the opposite, "I'm interested in the facts" (except when you're not) for example. That is a form of trolling if done intentionally. And it's working, as you can see from both Catfish's and my posts calling you out on your constant contradictions, so good job on that. :up:
Or maybe you're not trolling, I don't know. Maybe you just really believe what you're saying and simply don't see the contradictions.
u crank
08-21-20, 09:11 AM
In a second term, he must not hold back anymore..
Well that is true of all administrations in their second term. The idea though that Trump can turn America into Russia or some other dictatorship is I'm sorry to say absurd. I've tried to explain why and I will add that you would be hard pressed to find any reputable Republicans who would go along with such a thing. It is actually not worth talking about. But here we are.
Senate has blocked impeachement of Trump going on, not because of relevant evidence proving Trump's innocence, but because his minions shod it off, and said in advance they would not care for any facts, buttu would block it NO MATTER WHAT.
Well Skybird I am at a loss here. Do you know anything about the impeachment of Bill Clinton? It wasn't that long ago, October 1998. The way you describe Trump's impeachment makes it sound like it was completely unique. In Clinton's Senate trial all 45 Democrat Senators found Clinton not guilty. This was in spite of the evidence of perjury and obstruction of justice.
You are using Trump's acquittal (a purely political event like Clinton's) as evidence that he will become a dictator? Say it isn't so.
u crank
08-21-20, 09:22 AM
And it's working, as you can see from both Catfish's and my posts calling you out on your constant contradictions, so good job on that. :up:
Well Catfish thinks I am a card carrying member of the alt-right so keep up the good work. :O:
Or maybe you're not trolling, I don't know. Maybe you just really believe what you're saying and simply don't see the contradictions.
That is pretty condescending. Let's agree that your interpretation of what Harris was doing and mine are different. Or is that possible?
Skybird
08-21-20, 09:38 AM
Well that is true of all administrations in their second term. The idea though that Trump can turn America into Russia or some other dictatorship is I'm sorry to say absurd. I've tried to explain why and I will add that you would be hard pressed to find any reputable Republicans who would go along with such a thing. It is actually not worth talking about. But here we are.
Its becoming pointless to continue here. You are completely under their spell, and I hear them speaking through your mouth (and yes, this time I have not forogtten that you are no American, but Canadian). So be it, I need my daily FS2020 fix now.
That is pretty condescending. Let's agree that your interpretation of what Harris was doing and mine are different. Or is that possible?I'm fine with that.
Why? Because you hope so?
+1 to his campaign staff who have broken the law. Can't be very helpful. :hmmm:
Buddahaid
08-21-20, 10:12 AM
Sky, it's the same for both parties. The left is fearing Trump will create a dictatorship and the right is afraid Biden will create a new socialist tyranny. Neither will happen without another civil war.
As for what Harris said, it's the difference between taking the words at face value, or reading other meaning into them, just like when Trump says something foolish and the left cries fowl while the right says he's joking.
Buddahaid
08-21-20, 10:26 AM
But I keep hearing that only Democrats commit fraud which is why the mail in votes will be the biggest fraud ever......:haha:
Oh wait I forgot, he's joking again...
Jimbuna
08-21-20, 11:07 AM
This should probably be merged in with the US politics thread.
Agreed but this is becoming a common requirement.
If people would only bother to think before creating threads firstly by looking for others of similar or almost identical nature.
Threads merged.
u crank
08-21-20, 11:56 AM
+1 to his campaign staff who have broken the law. Can't be very helpful. :hmmm:
'Former' campaign staff. Three years to be exact.
Trump and Biden face to face in September(Can't remember which day(s)) they shall meet.
Heard in the news today.
"People are worried how Biden will handle this...during his speech he has used a teleprompte and in a duel with Trump there will not be such a thing."
So what do you, my American friends say.
Have Trump the benefit of playing at home(President)Best chance to win this/those duels ?
Or
Do you think Biden as the outsider has a better chance ?
Maybe it's to early to predict.
Markus
Buddahaid
08-21-20, 02:49 PM
It will like watching the deaf lead the blind, the stupid debating the confused, Goofy and Donald Duck. Embarrassment for all.:Kaleun_Cheers:
Skybird
08-21-20, 02:57 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/steve-bannon-s-indictment-arrest-should-worry-trump-his-associates-ncna1237536
The arrest of Steve Bannon (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bannon-three-others-charged-scheme-stemming-we-build-wall-campaign-n1237436) on fraud charges should alarm a number of people close to Donald Trump (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bannon-three-others-charged-scheme-stemming-we-build-wall-campaign-n1237436), including the president himself.
(...)
Most defense lawyers confronting such a serious situation will ask their clients whether they have any information they can trade in exchange for leniency. Defendants who can provide concrete assistance in the investigations of others can reduce their sentences substantially, although a defendant generally must also admit to his own crimes and plead guilty.
As the CEO of Trump's 2016 campaign and later a White House strategist, Bannon is well positioned to have information about a number of possible criminal targets. One of them is Erik Prince, the billionaire founder of the defense contractor Blackwater, who is the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos. Prince appears to have given conflicting statements (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/congressional-democrats-examine-eriks-prince-statements-on-2017-seychelles-meeting-for-possible-perjury/2019/04/19/b7f888da-62cb-11e9-9412-daf3d2e67c6d_story.html) to the House Intelligence Committee and special counsel Robert Mueller about a meeting he had in the Seychelles islands in January 2017 with a Russian financier tied to President Vladimir Putin. Conflicting narratives suggest that at least one account is false. Intentionally lying about material matters in either proceeding is a crime.
Buddahaid
08-21-20, 03:19 PM
All of which will be deemed classified information and harder to obtain than than a virgin on the Virgin Isl....., oh nevermind.
Just vote him out and then prosecute.
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