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Onkel Neal

10-04-20, 10:18 AM

Trump's not sick, that's a democrat hoax!

Man, this could really derail the SC nomination hearings....

Mr Quatro

10-04-20, 10:25 AM

Not good, and there must be more based on that group's circle of contacts.

Now Trumps body guard has tested positive and he was just with Trump last week :o

Skybird

10-04-20, 10:34 AM

Twitter has become a desolate, lonely place these days.

Skybird

10-04-20, 10:36 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/W4Z5MFYn/114743375-trump-circle-cases-2x-v3-nc.png (https://postimg.cc/t1XdbTjZ)
They all got Trump? Would not have happened if they would have been immunised in their youth.

Jimbuna

10-04-20, 10:53 AM

By the end of next week the picture should be a lot clearer and I suspect it won't be a pleasant one.

Aktungbby

10-04-20, 11:30 AM

Well if the 'Merikan voters can't clean out the offal office rat's nest, Mother Nature can! "Covid not the FLOTUS of yer POTUS nor the sheepish flock of his advisory staff!":O: sayeth the good book! But I'm agettin' a bit Pencive that the "situation will not be a pleasant one" as you suspect.:Kaleun_Salivating:

em2nought

10-04-20, 03:26 PM

Must be a Democratic plot.... :ping::hmmm::arrgh!:

I think Chris Wallace had a bunch of sick democrats lick the President's podium before the debate. :hmmm:

Gerald

10-04-20, 05:41 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/10/04/trump-covid-live-updates/ :ping:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-54382914

Gerald

10-05-20, 02:44 AM

Medical experts are questioning Donald Trump's decision to greet supporters in a drive-past outside the hospital where he is being treated for Covid-19.

There are concerns the US president, who wore a mask, may have endangered Secret Service staff inside the car.

White House spokesperson Judd Deere said the trip on Sunday had been "cleared by the medical team as safe".

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54415532

I think the USSS was more than happy to help him out.

Jimbuna

10-05-20, 11:10 AM

I think Chris Wallace had a bunch of sick democrats lick the President's podium before the debate. :hmmm:

Trump press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tests positive for coronavirus.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html

em2nought

10-05-20, 12:15 PM

Trump press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tests positive for coronavirus.

If it was this many people near Joe's bunker who'd come down with covid the mainstream media would be screaming alt-right conspiracist. :03:

Jimbuna

10-05-20, 12:48 PM

If it was this many people near Joe's bunker who'd come down with covid the mainstream media would be screaming alt-right conspiracist. :03:

I find it troubling that such an important building as the White House appears to be the source of so much spreading of the virus.

I know Boris caught it but it didn't spread throughout Downing St.

Aktungbby

10-05-20, 12:51 PM

I know Boris caught it but it didn't spread throughout Downing St.That's 'cause they read the 'good book' at 10 Downing Street!:yeah:

Jimbuna

10-05-20, 12:56 PM

Pray tell, what is the 'good book' ?

skidman

10-05-20, 01:06 PM

"The Little Sanitarian - Sars-CoV2 Edition" ?

Jimbuna

10-05-20, 01:23 PM

I'm guessing he means the Bible but if so, I certainly wasn't aware.

skidman

10-05-20, 01:58 PM

Me neither. I always thought BoJo is into shaman rituals, animism and other unholy practices.

Skybird

10-05-20, 02:12 PM

Rockstar

10-05-20, 02:15 PM

I find it troubling that such an important building as the White House appears to be the source of so much spreading of the virus.

I know Boris caught it but it didn't spread throughout Downing St.

One could be just as troubled by an absence of information too I guess. I did find reports of others in Boris Johnson's cabinet testing positive. Though they are few and don't appear to be much of a media priority. Maybe if it was an election season things would be different. :03:

Catfish

10-05-20, 02:36 PM

So the White House just threw a superspreader party.

Donald is sure high on drugs

https://i.imgur.com/bMBggekl.jpg

I do not think he will be elected again.

skidman

10-05-20, 02:52 PM

I hope You are right but I fear You aren't.

Rockstar

10-05-20, 03:24 PM

More walking-over-bodies by the biggest ego in the universe, the Donaldman. Lives and health of others put at risk just to please his own stellar personal interests - what do they matter? None at all.

https://twitter.com/DrPhillipsMD/status/1312867868028141568

"This is insanity", says the doctor. I disagree somewhat. I say: "This is a crime." It illustrates why Donaldman is completely unsuited by character to lead a people, a nation, other people.

Let me guess he should have taken the secret underground tunnel from Walter Reed to his bunker in Florida. No wait, he should have driven himself or walked home in a bubble suit.

Complaining like old women over someone waving from a vehicle on the way home from hospital. Stop for a moment and think for yourself once, just once. Realize he is the president of the United States. He is not expected to take a freaking taxi home or drive himself. The drivers are highly trained professionals whose job it is to protect him. They also have the option not too. The choice is theirs.

For you lonely frightened little girls with nothing to do in life but sit in front of your computer screen and complain. Might I suggest the following turn off Twitter start using your own brain for once and think about seeking professional help. Because let me say with all honesty, a President being driven home by the Secret Service isn't what's insane. It's people's abnormal reaction too it that is without a doubt insane.

skidman

10-05-20, 04:24 PM

He was not driven home. He took a little trip to wave to his supporters and then returned to hospital.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-motorcade/trump-trip-from-hospital-to-wave-at-fans-endangers-others-doctor-warns-idUSKBN26Q01T

Maybe you should get at least the basic facts right before worrying about someone else's mental health.

Skybird

10-05-20, 04:55 PM

The Donald is cannonfoddering people. For no other purpose than his own personal egoist interests.

One can read that the Secret Service is seriously pissed. Being wasted or pointlessly put at risk like the Donald did, probably is not what these agents once subscribed to.

Just for a short drive-and-greet, before returning back to hospital.

Why not cutting hearts out of the chests of some stupids next, under a triumphant Trump-golden firework? If that is what pleases him, of course then its a legitimate cause. He is the claimed "El Presidente".

Rockstar

10-05-20, 05:08 PM

So he wasnt driven home big whoop, that didnt happen until the following day. He is on the campaign trail seeking re-election, such action is important for his supporters and frankly the country too see he is OK.

He's still the president, he is still afforded a secret service detail whose job it is to protect him, furthermore Secret Service can advise against such things and they are not pressed into service, they volunteer for such duty.

But I do understand, its Trump and there are a lot bored and afraid people with way too much time on their hands.

skidman

10-05-20, 05:37 PM

Mr Quatro

10-05-20, 06:09 PM

Marine One has landed depositing the POTUS on the WH lawn.

Okay gang what if Kim young chu or whatever his name is was a fake news job of being dead, uh? :hmmm:

What if Trump really died at Walter Reed Hospital Saturday and what we have now is look a like? :D

Yeah, I know it's dumb, but the only way we can tell if it is the real Trump is if he continues to make dumb/stupid remarks without his mask on. :o

Then we will know for sure that it is the same Trump :yep:

Rockstar

10-05-20, 09:04 PM

AFAIK he has still not made it to the WH. The course of his disease is somewhat odd to say the least, but we should not speculate about it. It's his medical problem and we should show some decency here (The same applies to Biden's supposed dementia). And we should avoid argumenta ad hominem, right?

Right, Just wish some people would learn to take a deep breath. Instead of reacting to the daily dose of media outlets spoon feeding crap. I mean wouldnt it be wonderful if journalists actually did their job, investigated maybe even found a way to ask the USSS team directly. Or maybe find that like the Ford and Cadillac presidential rides they can seal off the front driver compartment from the passenger compartment. But no we dont get that anymore. We go straight to the gossip, speculation, unfounded opinions, accusations and FUD. Stories geared to get a rise out of people rather than offer good information people can actually use and benefit from.

Im going back to the Appalachians for a few more weeks, kick back, pan a stream for some gold, mess with a few bears, smoke a bowl or two and enjoy life. ;)

Peace

:salute:

Gerald

10-05-20, 11:26 PM

......US President Donald Trump has made a dramatic return to the White House to continue his treatment for coronavirus after a three-night hospital stay.

The president removed his mask on the balcony of the White House, where several staff and aides have tested positive for the virus in recent days.

"Feeling really good!" Mr Trump tweeted earlier. "Don't be afraid of Covid. Don't let it dominate your life."

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54427390

Buddahaid

10-06-20, 12:34 AM

Im going back to the Appalachians for a few more weeks, kick back, pan a stream for some gold, mess with a few bears, smoke a bowl or two and enjoy life. ;)

Peace

:salute:

Mamma says time out....

Jimbuna

10-06-20, 04:26 AM

I'm beginning to wonder if he is simply delusional :hmmm:

Coronavirus: Donald Trump urges Americans to 'get out there' after leaving hospital https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-get-out-there-donald-trumps-defiant-message-on-leaving-hospital-12091308

Jimbuna

10-06-20, 06:21 AM

This was aired on BBC News yesterday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-54428603

eddie

10-06-20, 01:47 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if he is simply delusional :hmmm:

He sure acts like it Jim. 210,000 dead over here from Covid, so its nothing to worry about, its just like the flu! He isn't delusional, he is just brain dead.

mapuc

10-06-20, 04:20 PM

Only a miracle can give Trump four more years.

He sure isn't exactly giving himself good odds in the Presidential election.

Markus

FeatsOfStrength

10-06-20, 06:17 PM

Just got my vote in from the UK, hopefully it will arrive in time and not get held up or declared "fraud" by the actual deep state that is Donald Trump's administration.

Jimbuna

10-07-20, 06:19 AM

An interesting read if anyone is interested.

US election 2020: The defining moment of the Trump presidency.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54441213

mapuc

10-07-20, 11:14 AM

Wish I could remember every single word that was said in today's edition of the science program skull fracture which is send every day on the radio.

I can remember a major part of todays title which was:

A philosophical view of President Trump and his office, seen through the greatest philosophical eyes.

It was very interesting to hear.

Markus

eddie

10-07-20, 01:07 PM

An interesting read if anyone is interested.

It was interesting Jim, thanks for the link.

Gerald

10-07-20, 01:48 PM

President Donald Trump has had no Covid-19 symptoms for 24 hours and has been fever-free for more than four days, his doctor says.

Sean Conley said the president also had "detectable levels of Covid antibodies" and had not needed any supplemental oxygen since he was taken to hospital.

Mr Trump, who went to hospital on Friday and was discharged on Monday, said: "I feel great!"

The news comes ahead of the key vice-presidential TV debate later.

Wednesday's debate between Mike Pence and Kamala Harris is one of the most eagerly anticipated in years.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54455040

AVGWarhawk

10-07-20, 02:12 PM

An interesting read if anyone is interested.

Now he has a steroid-assisted spring in his step, but he is trailing a long way behind in the polls and running out of time to make a political recovery.

The author of the article is accurate on the steroid assisted spring in his step? I guess Trump's doctor needs to be fired as such information(if Trump is on steroids) is not to be discussed under the HIPPA rules. Sadly the article only beats up Trump. Much the same we have seen for 4 entire years when it concerns the media. It may kill them to print the accomplishments of which there is many.

AVGWarhawk

10-07-20, 02:20 PM

Jimbuna

10-07-20, 02:52 PM

The author of the article is accurate on the steroid assisted spring in his step? I guess Trump's doctor needs to be fired as such information(if Trump is on steroids) is not to be discussed under the HIPPA rules. Sadly the article only beats up Trump. Much the same we have seen for 4 entire years when it concerns the media. It may kill them to print the accomplishments of which there is many.

That's a fair comment Chris :yep:

Buddahaid

10-07-20, 04:08 PM

Skybird

10-07-20, 05:54 PM

The latest editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine is worth reading. And hopefully not what Trump wants to read.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

more than 200,000 Americans have died. Some deaths from Covid-19 were unavoidable. But, although it is impossible to project the precise number of additional American lives lost because of weak and inappropriate government policies, it is at least in the tens of thousands in a pandemic that has already killed more Americans than any conflict since World War II.Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.
My argument exactly, just put into other words.

Buddahaid

10-07-20, 06:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3GBlVjUd0

em2nought

10-07-20, 09:33 PM

OMG, the average life expectancy in the USA has gone down by one year. Shut down the economy! :har: Make life so miserable that people vote someone else into office(and that is exactly what is being attempted with the blessings of the mainstream media).

My mother didn't die from covid, she died from me letting us be pushed around by people who claim they know best. Complete and utter B.S.

Buddahaid

10-07-20, 10:05 PM

It really comes down to balance and the scales tipped the wrong way in the good ol' USA. New Zealand which enjoys being an island culture, has beaten Covid, the USA hasn't and continues to pretend it doesn't exist while cases climb. Is there an obvious trend there? The USA would be getting back toward before seriously if we had just seriously shut down for one month, one month!

Skybird

10-08-20, 06:08 AM

One if the biggets scandals in all this is that I still wait for the first doctor in mainstrema media pointing at the importance of well-maintainign and boosting your immune ystem by good nutrition and supplements. Its the most natural thing to assume they would encourage people to do so, and what happens? NOT ONE WORD by giovenrment, government offices, official authorities experts. Nothing.

Lancet Journal 2003: glycernine is the most effective inhibitor of multiplication of SARS virusses. Lymphocytes need sulfur to function, Already examined since the H1N1 virus: NAC: N-Acetyl -Cystein (amino acid), again tremedously effects the suppression of vorus mutliplication. Vitamine D. Vitamine A (to repair the intestine mucosa, which isn part of the immune system'S defence line as we now have understood). Lung mucosa, obviously. Both Vit A and D can also regulate inhibition factors on the DNA level, they can read and modulate (!) the DNA inside the cell. Vitmamine C, what should I say, it is common kowledge now, and only the industry tries to defame the efficiency of Vitamine C (and good nutrition in general, they want ill people to whom they can sell their expensive drugs). Selene, very important, indispensable for cell-internal energy-production and boosting the mitochondrias. Beta-1.3-Glucane, help to form out indifferentiated immune cells TH0 into differentiated (effective) TH1 cells that take the battle to the enemy. Licorice, in the mecial journals already twenty years ago, has a strong inhibitory effect on SARS virusses.

And so on and on and on.

Instead, nutrition experts who get paid by the industry tell us we should be very cuatious and ot take too much. And nobody tells peopel to stop eating the sh!t they are stuffing into them every day, all day long. A good ammout of tha beign simply TOXIC. Obesity has become a problem that exploded ovetr th east twneyt years ibEuroe as well, it snot just the US anymore. But they make a trade deal inw ich Americans can the right to cell their highly toxic corn sirups almost by force on Europena markets, whcih had them banned so far due to immense health concerns.

The immune system is the first line of defence of our organism. If you do not understand by yourself why everybody should consider it to be in his very own interest to support it and stop destroying it, I cannot help it, it must be auicide drive at work then. Nutrition supplements might prove to be the most effecitve single weapon in the fight to get the pandemic under control. In Germany, giving high doses of Vitamine D is part of the standard therpay for hospitalised Corona patients now - half a year ago everybody was laughing about it although scientific literature holds over 20,000 articles and studies ion the efficiency of Vitamine D already three years ago!

Its a scandal and a total and complete failure of poltics all around the globe. The biggest single stupid action, or better: non-action, characterising this pandemic. I get furious about it. I am convinced that the number of deaths as well as the numbers of seriosu cases landign in hospitals could be more thna halved, if a better nutrition would enter the households and if massive nutrition supplements and knwoeldge on their possiblenon.harmful doses would become widespread common good.

And clubs like the DGE and other nutrition advice councels and associations who are just well-camouflaged lobby groups protecting the profit itnerests of thre oharmacautical industry, should be BANNED. They are killing thosuands and tens and handreds of thousands of people every year ith their poisonous "advice". Needless to say: the industry should have no word in formulating curriculae for course sin medicine. It should also not be allowed to finance parts of universities and projects at universities.

Its ot done with judt having a salad every day. Green salad is almost free of nutrtion value these days, you could as well eat a block of writng paper, that has leaves too. You need to leanr a bit more and you need to supplement to oveocme the many shortcomings there are, and overcomign them quickly. To get you started. And once you got started, then you can embark on consideing whether to chage your unhealthy food habits as well.

The Corona pandemic has in ivnisble letters written one big message all ver it: STOP EATING GARBAGE, start to eat nutrion of value. Earlier in the pandemic they started to relaise that ther eis a pandemic isnide the pandemic, the so-called Vitmaine-C-deficiency pandemic. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. In rreality this is a general nutritio-value-deficiency pandemic. Its not jst Vitmaine D, its also Vitiane Bs, A, Selene, Omega-3 to Omega-6 ratios, Q10, and more. We eat too much bad stuff of no value, and we do not eat enogzh of the good stuff with good value. And the altter cannot even be fed to everybody, becasue for that we are simply way too many people on Earth, once again: WE ARE TOO MANY. There is not enough fish in the sea to feed everbyody with the ammounts needed, for example.

You see, I gave started to look beyond the runnign virus pandemic and see that it is embedded in a bigger context for which it is a symptom.

Gerald

10-08-20, 07:12 AM

Dietary supplements are good but a basic intake of foods with high versatility is a requirement. Then, of course, there are market forces behind "go all in" on everything that is spelled vitamins.

AVGWarhawk

10-08-20, 08:45 AM

I believe permission was given to discuss his treatment.

I see. However, the article is another one of many disparaging the person. Just more ammo to take shots. Zero sympathy. Written as if Trump deserved to get Covid. After 4 years of trampling one would think it is enough. Apparently not.

Skybird

10-08-20, 09:50 AM

Dietary supplements are good but a basic intake of foods with high versatility is a requirement. Then, of course, there are market forces behind "go all in" on everything that is spelled vitamins.

Well, a lot can be learned on for exmaple youtube. Not every channel there is a food guru., a prodeuct advertiser, a clealess fool. There are also those who are professional, have the knowledge and want to seriously help. Well, if I could plot a course through these waters, ending up where i am now, than you and everybody else can, too.

The quesiton is whether one is ready to give up comfortable illusions one has learne din the past. It took me some time for exmaple to accept over the past years that "Vollwert" grain and whole food and raw vegetable maybe just is not that healthy for us, as I had once learned, 20, 30 years ago. It took me years to get out of my comfort zone there. Even more so since I like fresh bread, I baked my bread mysef for almost 30 years.

You need "real" food for the so-called co-facotrs it ioncludes, and stuff not part of supplements, yes. But you canot get where oyu want to be with just eating food. And even less so when wanting to just move out of deficit zones of certain nutrients. If oyu wpould need to do that, you end up with needs of eatign nfor exmaple 22kg Broccoli. Per Day. Or Codfish in the morning. Codfish at noon. Codfish in the evening. Day for day.

And each of the contemporary nutrition schools like Vegan, Vegetzarians, Paleo, Ketonic, Atkinson,Low Carb, Atkinsons, comes wiht it sown typical set of nutrotiion deficits that are typical for the special diat in question. I know an ecotrophologist who can with very inmpressive reliability tell you abotu somebody'S diet that he follows just by seeing the list of deficits in his blood serum when doing a full scan of it (costs over 300 Euros, but you may want to do that every couple of years), if these people do not also take supplements to care for these typical deficits.

And then ther eis the thing with the socalled microbiomes: microbiologcial biomes in our bodies that can foster and then help our organism, or can be bobmed and shreddered to pieces by not "feeding" it the kind fo food stuff that the microscopic workers need to live and do what they do. Many people wpould need to almost get vaccinated their intestines with living bacteria cultures after decades of bad food killing them and bringing the biome down. And these days we know that you can silently form a fat liver even if not drinking alcohol or eating too fat - just by eating to much bad fat or too many carbon hydrates and all thatr tpxic stuff in the supermarkets.

Industrially processed food - its a killer. Too much bad fats and oils, too much carbon hydrates. Too much white fliur and corn products and white sugar and corn syrup. Too much bad fats, too much chemical agents that serve the needs of the industry, not that of the person eating the stuff.

If people do not eat healthy, okay, then let them at least throw in some nutrition pills. What you consider to be the second-best option only, still is more and is better than nothing.

In these Corona times and when asking how to battle the pandemic, thes epills are the obvious and fastest way to boost the immune system. Vitamines D, A, C, Selene, Zink, Magnesium, Omega-3, Q10. One needs to know in what chmeical formats they work best, Ubichinon is not really the same as Ubichionol , and one needs to know a bit ab out the doses. One can learn that, no big thing, we have internet today, learning it 25 yeras ago would have been much more difficult. The truth is out there, says Mulder. It costs money, yes, I have calculated it, and I see that IU get myself covered with 3.35 Euros per day, thats the price of a coffee and a chocolate bar in the cantina, or an evening beer after the job. Just that these do not do so much for me.

Gerald

10-08-20, 05:00 PM

Well, a lot can be learned on for exmaple youtube. Not every channel there is a food guru., a prodeuct advertiser, a clealess fool. There are also those who are professional, have the knowledge and want to seriously help. Well, if I could plot a course through these waters, ending up where i am now, than you and everybody else can, too.

The quesiton is whether one is ready to give up comfortable illusions one has learne din the past. It took me some time for exmaple to accept over the past years that "Vollwert" grain and whole food and raw vegetable maybe just is not that healthy for us, as I had once learned, 20, 30 years ago. It took me years to get out of my comfort zone there. Even more so since I like fresh bread, I baked my bread mysef for almost 30 years.

You need "real" food for the so-called co-facotrs it ioncludes, and stuff not part of supplements, yes. But you canot get where oyu want to be with just eating food. And even less so when wanting to just move out of deficit zones of certain nutrients. If oyu wpould need to do that, you end up with needs of eatign nfor exmaple 22kg Broccoli. Per Day. Or Codfish in the morning. Codfish at noon. Codfish in the evening. Day for day.

And each of the contemporary nutrition schools like Vegan, Vegetzarians, Paleo, Ketonic, Atkinson,Low Carb, Atkinsons, comes wiht it sown typical set of nutrotiion deficits that are typical for the special diat in question. I know an ecotrophologist who can with very inmpressive reliability tell you abotu somebody'S diet that he follows just by seeing the list of deficits in his blood serum when doing a full scan of it (costs over 300 Euros, but you may want to do that every couple of years), if these people do not also take supplements to care for these typical deficits.

And then ther eis the thing with the socalled microbiomes: microbiologcial biomes in our bodies that can foster and then help our organism, or can be bobmed and shreddered to pieces by not "feeding" it the kind fo food stuff that the microscopic workers need to live and do what they do. Many people wpould need to almost get vaccinated their intestines with living bacteria cultures after decades of bad food killing them and bringing the biome down. And these days we know that you can silently form a fat liver even if not drinking alcohol or eating too fat - just by eating to much bad fat or too many carbon hydrates and all thatr tpxic stuff in the supermarkets.

Industrially processed food - its a killer. Too much bad fats and oils, too much carbon hydrates. Too much white fliur and corn products and white sugar and corn syrup. Too much bad fats, too much chemical agents that serve the needs of the industry, not that of the person eating the stuff.

If people do not eat healthy, okay, then let them at least throw in some nutrition pills. What you consider to be the second-best option only, still is more and is better than nothing.

In these Corona times and when asking how to battle the pandemic, thes epills are the obvious and fastest way to boost the immune system. Vitamines D, A, C, Selene, Zink, Magnesium, Omega-3, Q10. One needs to know in what chmeical formats they work best, Ubichinon is not really the same as Ubichionol , and one needs to know a bit ab out the doses. One can learn that, no big thing, we have internet today, learning it 25 yeras ago would have been much more difficult. The truth is out there, says Mulder. It costs money, yes, I have calculated it, and I see that IU get myself covered with 3.35 Euros per day, thats the price of a coffee and a chocolate bar in the cantina, or an evening beer after the job. Just that these do not do so much for me.I myself have not eaten semi-finished products for a long time for the simple reason you mention in your text. Very little or no vitamins at all, and it does not taste good. I eat a lot of variety, mainly fish as well as steak and legumes and a lot of vegetables and fruit, and in some situations I can take supplements of some vitamins ... a little depending on exercise but is flexible in action based on situation.

Skybird

10-09-20, 01:16 AM

Fish is good, I have come to eating it a lot over the past couple of years, too, whereas my meat nowadays almost exlcusively is chicken, sometimes lamb or veal. No pig and (almost) no beef, no cold meat on bread. I also use plenty of good oil and natural fat, no processed or artificially mixed fats, margarine and such. Eating lot of vegetable is something I must force myself to, but I understand the recomemndation in doing so. Fish 2-3 days a week, meat 1-2 days a week. Sidedishes like rice, potatoes, noodles I have almost abandoned, if I eat potatoe, than as main dish (boiled potatoes with butter, salt and a cream-dill herring), rice is replaced with hirse, and pasta only as main dish: spaghetti.

Moving a bit is important, too, we know today that there are links between body moving and even just mild excercising, and early brain degradation at higher age. A badly fed body lacking too many nutrients and fats (!), becomes thin, leads to brain degradation as well, as a specilaised German doctor put it in a speech he gave: "If you don’t have buttocks in your pants at 50 anymore, you’ll have no brains in your head at 70." Stress, often ignored and looked down on, some even pose with their jgih stress levels and feel important if they can say "I have stress!". Next, sleep, good sleep, enough of it, when we sleep well, the brain shrinks a bit temporarily, to allow the cerebral fluid that washes around our brain from all sides to enter into the spaces of the cerebral gyri and wash away remains of the chemical molccules that are a by product of the brain's activity and the constant use of neurotransmitter agents.

I learned that fruits are not recommended except just in small quantity, and no severla times a day, due to calories and sugars, they rerlly trigger a strong insulin reaction. Vegetable is better. Steamed, not raw. Vollwert/raw wholefood as propagated since the early 80s or so probably was a meander.

All that has an impact on our immune system, too.

And I think I triggered this topic in the wrong thread, sorry, maybe it would have been betterplaced in the virus thread. I got triggered by the "scandalous political failure during Corona" thing some posts above, since I think the biggest scandal is that no dietary advice is given by any "expert" in the media in order to boost the immune system.

Skybird

10-09-20, 01:34 AM

Skybird

10-09-20, 01:52 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/08/economy/deficit-debt-pandemic-cbo/index.html

"Debt is the size of the economy today, and soon it will be larger than any time in history," CRFB president Maya MacGuineas said.
The problem with such high debt levels going forward is that they will increasingly constrain what the government can do to meet the country's needs. Not just that. I am shivering when thinking of what will happen to our private savings and money safeties, assets and all that paper stuff and theoreticla claim for value. I mean in Europe we are on the same course as the US.

If self-destruction of the cultural self-identity does not break the backbone of the occident - the debt and FIAT money crisis and the resulting plundering and tyranny will.

Jimbuna

10-09-20, 05:20 AM

I mean in Europe we are on the same course as the US.

I blame the EU :)

Skybird

10-09-20, 06:15 AM

I blame the EU :)
And central banks. And FIAT "money" paradigm.

Catfish

10-09-20, 07:21 AM

I blame the EU :)
:haha::salute:

Bilge_Rat

10-09-20, 07:55 AM

Back on topic, US politics.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/six-men-charged-alleged-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-n1242622

This is what you get when doiung like Trump does: philandering with the extreme right and encouraging them to become more active in his support and "be ready" as he suggestively said some days ago. He wants the country set ablaze: by his guys, and by the other guys so that he can accuse them.

The intendede victim is a democrat governor he miust hate with a passion sicne she refused to follow hiw demand to not lock down. That now he complainedf about her by dismissing the spoiled coup as "Democrats complaining" shows once again what a brute, degenerated dirtbag he is. He is defending serious crime and a coup d'etat here, and places his diatribe in support of it.

Hardly.

This looks like another Dem dirty trick to me.

The timing of the arrests, a few weeks before the election looks suspicious, especially when you know that Michigan is in play and its 16 electoral votes could decide who is the next President.

It looks even more suspicious when you realize there is no actual evidence of a real plot. The FBI affidavit just shows a bunch of yahoos shooting their mouths off.

On top of that, it turns out there was an "informant" infiltrating the group. What was his motivation and role? In many of these entrapment cases, it turns out the "informant" was driving the plot forward to actually create a crime.

It looks even more suspicious when you notice that typically, the police waits until there is an actual overt act that proves intent to commit a crime. None of that is here, but you can guess there was pressure to unveil the "plot" before the election.

And to top it all, the charges were announced and laid by the Michigan State Attorney General, a Democrat......Typcially in these cases, if led by the FBI, the charges would be filed by the local federal U.S. Attorney.

The U.S. is looking more and more like a banana republic.

Not surprised the anti-trumpers are falling for it though, hook, line and sinker. :haha:

Skybird

10-09-20, 08:40 AM

Bilge Rat, you should listen to how you and some others sound. Like Martians living on a subterranean base on Phobos.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/whitmer-conspiracy-allegations-tied-boogaloo-movement-n1242670

Several of the six men charged in federal court Thursday with a conspiracy to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/six-men-charged-alleged-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-n1242622) have histories of anti-government organizing, as well as interest in countering what they saw as an "uprising" against President Donald Trump, according to their online profiles and comments.
In addition, several of the seven men facing separate state terrorism charges for their activity with a group called the Wolverine Watchmen also posted pro-Trump and anti-government content.

But don't be irritated by this. Its a a democrats plot. they have build the right wing and Nazi scene ion the US to prepare for a day when a Trump shows up and they want to pull this trick out of the hat like a magical trick to gain some votes. Democrats are the truth behind the Nazi movement.

And the Uber-Nazi Biden still leads the polls, and significantly so.

skidman

10-09-20, 08:53 AM

The Moon is made of green cheese.

Fixed that for you. :up:

Bilge_Rat

10-09-20, 09:07 AM

I am brainwashed and believe whatever propaganda I am fed

fixed that for you. :up:

Bilge_Rat

10-09-20, 09:17 AM

Bilge Rat, you should listen to how you and some others sound. Like Martians living on a subterranean base on Phobos.

Please Skybird, you are the master at spinning wild conspiracy theories, I am just analyzing the evidence as presented.

VipertheSniper

10-09-20, 09:55 AM

Please Skybird, you are the master at spinning wild conspiracy theories, I am just analyzing the evidence as presented.

If people were shooting there mouths off to abduct the POTUS, and put places of residence of Trump under observation in preperation, should the Feds just wait until the attempt is actually made, or should they act before that happens?

Surely before, right?

Bilge_Rat

10-09-20, 09:57 AM

btw, this is not the first time so-called michigan militia members have been charged with a violent plot only to have the case fall apart for lack of evidence:

Thursday's case was the second major militia case brought by the feds in Michigan in a decade.

The last one ended as a major embarrassment for the federal government when all the defendants, some who had been jailed for years, were vindicated. Seven Hutaree militia members were charged in 2009 with plotting a revolt that included killing police officers with guns and bombs.

All faced up to life in prison, but their trial ended abruptly in 2012 when U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts concluded that the government failed to prove its case. In the end, the judge said, there was no proof of a real plot to overthrow the government or kill police, only people engaging in unsavory talk.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/michigan-militia-wolverine-watchmen-gretchen-whitmer/5924615002/

so yes, there is every reason to be sceptical of this one as well.

Skybird

10-09-20, 10:13 AM

Please Skybird, you are the master at spinning wild conspiracy theories, I am just analyzing the evidence as presented.
You obviously cannot differ between me and yourself anymore and mistake me for yourself.

Bilge_Rat

10-09-20, 10:19 AM

and put places of residence of Trump under observation in preperation,

if you read the FBI affidavit which is publicly available and where the govt has to lay out the evidence which justifies the indictment, you will see that the so-called "surveillance" consisted of them driving on a public road past the Michigan governor's official summer residence (which is perfectly legal btw). They never stopped or entered the grounds.

That is not Gov. Whitmer's personal residence and she is not staying there. She is staying in the official mansion which is in Lansing at the other end of the state.

I don't think most people would consider that a "surveillance", but police always put the worst possible spin on things to justify their arrests.

VipertheSniper

10-09-20, 11:05 AM

if you read the FBI affidavit which is publicly available and where the govt has to lay out the evidence which justifies the indictment, you will see that the so-called "surveillance" consisted of them driving on a public road past the Michigan governor's official summer residence (which is perfectly legal btw). They never stopped or entered the grounds.

That is not Gov. Whitmer's personal residence and she is not staying there. She is staying in the official mansion which is in Lansing at the other end of the state.

I don't think most people would consider that a "surveillance", but police always put the worst possible spin on things to justify their arrests.

Yeah, I'm just in the process of reading that, and that little bit of video they took, is probably the least of their problems. These people were planning an operation, whether they would've ever executed it, is another matter, still better safe than sorry, and if the POTUS were the target you'd probably agree, but since it's a Dem, it must be a false flag right?

Bilge_Rat

10-09-20, 12:00 PM

well no, it could be an actual plot, we won't know for sure until all the evidence comes out, but in these type of cases and I have followed many, the FBI waits until there is a credible threat and/or they have evidence of an overt act so they can prove there is an actual crime and it is not just talk. Remember at the end of the day, they have to prove the crimes alleged beyond a reasonable doubt.

Now reading the affidavit does not show why it was so urgent to act just a few weeks before the election. There does not seem to have been much going on with the "plot" in the past few weeks. The "plotters" did not seem anywhere close to carrying out their plan. The FBI had infiltrated the group and had them under constant surveillance, so they could have been arrested anytime. Currently they have a very weak case and it will be difficult to prove that this was a real plot.

I suspect the Democratic Attorney General forced the FBI's hands by announcing state charges immediately, before the election, which of course forced the FBI to also proceed.

VipertheSniper

10-09-20, 12:31 PM

Bilge_Rat

10-09-20, 04:04 PM

more info, from a guy who seems to know:

5. Were they a serious threat?

As a specialist on Michigan militias, I’ve been asked several times since the news broke whether this group posed a real threat, in terms of being likely to act on its plan and kidnap or harm Gov. Whitmer.

Members of other militia groups in the state reported to me after the arrests that they do not believe these men were “smart enough” to pull off anything like this.

I heard similar comments about the suspected weaknesses of Hutaree members a decade ago. In 2010, nine members of that group, another Michigan militia, were arrested on federal charges that they planned a series of events to kill large numbers of police officers. Those charges were ultimately dismissed by a federal judge who said all they were doing was talking, though a few of the group were convicted of more minor charges involving weapons possession.

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The involvement of informants and undercover agents may also raise concerns about FBI practices, which have been criticized as fabricating entire plots to entrap innocent people in cases that alleged Islamic terrorism.

https://theconversation.com/lessons-from-embedding-with-the-michigan-militia-5-questions-answered-about-the-group-allegedly-plotting-to-kidnap-a-governor-147876

Skybird

10-10-20, 04:48 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/new-warning-about-extremist-groups-after-alleged-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-gov-whitmer-93557829560

What once only dared to live in the shades and under a stone, has been called out into the open by Trump. Might not be the brightest form of life on this planet, but certainly it is dangerous.

By different political developments, the Nazis have risen and made it into the parliament in germany. And Nazi gangs kill and murder over here. Left extremism of the many and mainstream polticis has called up the German right extremists, brutal egoism of just one and the mainstream politics he has formed called them out of their holes in the US.

And again (referred to it twice in the past two or three weeks already) according to American legislation, a "militia" that has not been formed up and called up by the state's governor and does not obey and follow orders by the state's giovernor, is no milita. Its just a gang of armed blokes seeking recognition and legitimation by abusing the term.

Skybird

10-10-20, 06:53 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/health/coronavirus-covid-masks-cdc.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20201009&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=77048151&segment_id=40508&user_id=d6d98639e04654ffd3981173e3f823c5

Whether it is more stupdity or more brutality is a matter of perspective only.

Jimbuna

10-10-20, 07:10 AM

I'd have thought stupidity and ignorance.

Skybird

10-10-20, 07:40 AM

I'd have thought stupidity and ignorance.
The WH does not suppress it due to ignorrance, they know they do damage, and Trump has admitted in that interview with Woodrow that he talks down Corona and tries to depict it as harmless. That they try to pose as strong people at the price of not protecting people and instead exposing them to the risk and helping to spread the pandemic and to fuel it, thus is brutality.

I rate it - at kinimum - as physical assault, even negligent manslaughter. Since they do it not accidentally, but intentionally, one can even argue that it even is mass murder. They know what they are doing, its not as if they act out of lacking knowledge. They know what they are doing, the intent to accept the outcome as side effect, is a given. When you do something of which you know it harms and kills people, in German law that is not slaughter, but murder. I am confident that in American law it is not much different. If you accept the killing of others as a sideeffect of your own desinterested acting, then you know of it, this then weighs the same as intentional killing with the death of the other being your desired and planned end result, and then it is murder.

For example the street car racers in Berlin killing innocents during their street races when they ended in crashes, recently were sentenced not for slaughter - but murder.

Skybird

10-10-20, 08:11 AM

Texan judge blocks obvious attempt by Trumpian governor to manipulate election outcome.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54475466

u crank

10-10-20, 09:24 AM

skidman

10-10-20, 10:19 AM

^Made it through the first 25 squalid lines. Seriously, this is substandard and embarrassing, what has happened to you?

August

10-10-20, 10:21 AM

^Made it through the first 25 squalid lines. Seriously, this is substandard and embarrassing, what has happened to you?

Don't talk to Skybird like that, some folks claim that he has feelings.

skidman

10-10-20, 10:35 AM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji5tynqkuw5iegg/Suffering.png?raw=1

u crank

10-10-20, 10:42 AM

^Made it through the first 25 squalid lines. Seriously, this is substandard and embarrassing, what has happened to you?

Are you suggesting that it isn't true? That the videos and photos are doctored? Just exactly what part of the article do you disagree with and why?

..what has happened to you?

Could you explain that? And not with some meme.

August

10-10-20, 11:03 AM

Could you explain that? And not with some meme.

Dude, stupid memes is all he has.

August

10-10-20, 11:06 AM

Meanwhile some substance:

Biden says voters don't deserve to know his stance on packing Supreme Court

Biden has said voters will know his position the day after Election Day

Democratic nominee Joe Biden (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/joe-biden) on Friday said that voters don’t deserve to know if he would attempt to pack the Supreme Court if he wins in November and Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed to the high court.
Biden was asked in Las Vegas, Nevada, about his position on packing the court with extra justices -- something that has seen support from a number (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-back-supreme-court-packing) of Democrats, particularly since President Trump announced his intention to confirm Barrett to the seat left vacant by the death of the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Biden, who had opposed court packing (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-bucks-dem-field-on-court-packing-decriminalizing-border-crossings) in the primary, refused to answer the question on Thursday, saying (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-doubles-down-on-court-packing-youll-know-my-position-after-the-election) “you’ll know my position on court-packing the day after the election.”
On Friday, a KTNV reporter (https://www.ktnv.com/news/political/elections-local/joe-biden-to-visit-las-vegas-on-friday-2-events-on-schedule) asked him again about whether he backs court packing and said: "This is the number one thing that I've been asked about from viewers in the past couple of days.”
“Well you’ve been asked by the viewers who are probably Republicans who don't want me continuing to talk about what they’re doing to the court right now,” Biden responded
“Well, sir don’t the voters deserve to know…?” reporter Ross DiMattei asked.
“No they don’t.... I'm not gonna play his game, he’d love me to talk about, and I’ve already said something on court packing, he’d love that to be the discussion instead of what he’s doing now,” Biden said, likely referring to President Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-voters-deserve-packing-supreme-court

skidman

10-10-20, 11:20 AM

Are you suggesting that it isn't true? That the videos and photos are doctored? Just exactly what part of the article do you disagree with and why?

"While a mask might prevent some large mucus/particles that someone who is positive might spew out into the air, it’s not much of a preventative as to smaller particles."

Not true. Even simple surgical masks have been shown to reduce virus loads by up to 90%.

"One of the main problems seems to be that people get wearing the mask, but they don’t seem to understand proper wearing of the mask and that yes, you can get it if you’re touching everything and then touching your face."

Which doesn't make a difference, if wearing a mask is rather pointless, right? In formal logic this is called performative contradiction.

The rest of the article is just cheap badmouthing.

What is proven by putting together photos or videos showing people who are failing to properly use their masks? Don't you think it is possible to assemble a website of Republicans failing in the same way?

The most disappointing for me is, the RedState article does not address the question, if wearing masks should be made mandatory on public transport or not. Everything we know about the virus suggests that this is a useful measure to prevent infections.

So why did you post it? Make someone you do not like look bad? We both know you can do much better than that.

Catfish

10-10-20, 11:52 AM

I love how some post "Fox News" and just of all "Red state" as if those sites would mean or prove anything :doh:
If the trend continues they will be posting Qanon sites for proof and evidence next week.

Next question will be "what is wrong with Qanon" i bet.

Have a nice weekend everyone :)

u crank

10-10-20, 11:56 AM

What is proven by putting together photos or videos showing people who are failing to properly use their masks? Don't you think it is possible to assemble a website of Republicans failing in the same way?

I'm sure it is possible.

So why did you post it? Make someone you do not like look bad?

The point of the article was to point out the hypocrisy of people like Pelosi and Biden. It's as simple as that. Perhaps if you had read more than 'the first 25 squalid lines' you would have seen that simple fact. If you are going to lecture other people and threaten to pass laws to that effect you should be a little more careful to follow your own suggestions.

I'm 70 years old and wear a mask when I am in public spaces. Does that make you feel better?

We both know you can do much better than that.

I respect you and your opinions but please don't lecture me. We both know you are better than that.

u crank

10-10-20, 12:12 PM

I love how some post "Fox News" and just of all "Red state" as if those sites would mean or prove anything :doh:

I love how you keep saying stuff like that but never give any substance to your opinion.

I am not naive enough to believe that Fox News and Redstate are not slanted to the right. I'm also not dumb enough to believe that CNN, NBC News and the BBC are non bias, neutral news services. By posting an article from CNN does that mean that what the article says and the opinions therein are completely accurate? What do you think?

Have a nice weekend everyone :)

You too.

skidman

10-10-20, 12:37 PM

The point of the article was to point out the hypocrisy of people like Pelosi and Biden. It's as simple as that.

The article lists moments of individual failure. It has nothing to do with hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is: "I always wear my mask properly." "I never touch my face when wearing a mask." "We, the Dems, know how to wear our mask, the stupid Republicans don't" and so on. That is what hypocrisy sounds like.

Want an example for hypocrisy? Mr. Donald Trump theatrically removing his mask on his return to the WH, having received therapy and medication not available to any of his fellow countrymen. That was hypocrisy.

I'm 70 years old and wear a mask when I am in public spaces. Does that make you feel better?

Much better. And if you could prove you never fail in your mask-wearing, I'd be beaming with joy :up:

Have a nice weekend.

Catfish

10-10-20, 01:08 PM

u crank

10-10-20, 01:31 PM

The article lists moments of individual failure. It has nothing to do with hypocrisy.

Sorry but I disagree. First of all and once again if you are going to make a case for wearing masks, wearing them and using them improperly is inexcusable. Joe Biden wants to be President. Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. They are both making that case. If they can't set a proper example then why bother even talking about it?

Want an example for hypocrisy? Mr. Donald Trump theatrically removing his mask on his return to the WH, having received therapy and medication not available to any of his fellow countrymen.

He's the President of the USA. Are you suggesting that if therapy and medication are available he shouldn't get it? If you were the doctor in charge of his care what would you do? Let him die simply because there is no possible way for everyone to recieve equal treatment? If you were Jeff Bezos' doctor what would you do? How about Beyoncé? The world isn't fair and just at the moment. Maybe someday.

Much better. And if you could prove you never fail in your mask-wearing, I'd be beaming with joy :up:

What would you require ..sworn statements, video surveillance ....:D

August

10-10-20, 02:47 PM

You make it look as it it were the same, but the amount of bs is unbelievably higher on Trump's side.

That's not the way I see it. The Democrats are so full of crap their eyes are brown and have been for years.

Buddahaid

10-10-20, 04:38 PM

Once you rinse out the crap covering both sides there's almost nothing left and it looks the same.

mapuc

10-10-20, 05:13 PM

She has the right to have an opinion
The Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has on twitter written following:

(translated)
"I have never gone into party politics. But the upcoming election in the United States is more important than any other. From a climate perspective, it is far from good enough, and many of you naturally support other candidates. But, I mean ... you know ... heck's! Get it organized now and get everyone to vote for Biden"

Maybe it's me...but I say as an non American, you should not point fingers at the American and tell them on who they shall put their vote.

Markus

Mr Quatro

10-10-20, 05:15 PM

Why can't y'all understand that this election and every election, especially National Elections, are about the parties.

Not two wacko's that represent the parties ... you can flip a coin on the two wacko's, but the parties are like night and day.

Open borders
Free education
Raise taxes
Medicare for everyone
Pack the supreme court with left wingers
Green House rules that will cost everyone more than it is worth

That's just one party :yep:

Guess who? :o

Catfish

10-10-20, 05:23 PM

Open borders, free education and medicare for everyone are a very bad idea.
If you are an idiot.
Paying taxes, well - if Trump pays less taxes than you i can see how you envy him.

Everyone who has a half pound of minced meat in his head: "Let's talk about the country and it's issues."
The others: "No let's talk about me!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeF2rkyxDIo

Skybird

10-10-20, 05:47 PM

^ Be advised that you will not make yourself many friends with posting videos like that. :haha: But you probably know that. You are throwing mud at the golden calf of American mythology.

Its what I call the perverting of capitalism.

Edit:

However, the video author doe snot hide he doe snot like if you spend your money earned on property that you then rent. In the landlord section of the video he imoplies that around 22:00. By that he speaks out against private property in itself, which you then can rent. If you condemn even that simple mechanism, you have neither "private" nor "property" anymore. Both terms inevitably bas eon that you can do with what is yours what you want as long as you do not dmaage or kill others, and that you can rent it to others and conditions youd efine,k ebcasue you are the owner.

Good video, but on this the author is either not clear enough what he propagates instead, and is too generalising, or is openly left and wants the expropriation of ALL private property. It s one thing if a company makes it its job to buy houses and rent them by the hundreds and thosuands, or if a private John Smith buys a second house with his savings from his wages he earned by a job and then rents it away.

We owned a house with four appartments until we sold it some years ago. It was property of my mother's family for three generations and was initially build by an early ancestor of mine. We let not live people live there for free, of course we took a rent. Nothign excessive, nothign under value, and we kept the house in shape. Owners like us are not the problem, but investor-driven corproaitons making it their job to own such properties and eithe nbrsell it with profits, or to rent it for as high a profit as possible. That are two very different things, and the author should make that clear if he does not want to propagate open socialism and expropriation of private property alltogether.

But maybe he wants that!? In that case him and me would have nothing to share or talk about.

Catfish

10-10-20, 05:49 PM

^ That's all what it is about. Myths.

Skybird

10-10-20, 06:11 PM

^ That's all what it is about. Myths.
Or as I opften said: the difference between America as it was meant and hoped to be by the founding fathers - and the America as it really is. Lightyears apart.

The first I like. The latter I like not. Its different, still, than European nations. But not better. And certainbloy not the best, or "GodÄ'S own country", no matter which country that should be.

I mean Iran claims the same message for self-description: "God's own country".

Skybird

10-10-20, 06:39 PM

That channel is a good find, Catfish, thank you for sharing it. I watched another video of theirs, and it is even better, I agree 100% with every single detail in it. Americans should fall silent, listen and start thinking about it. Especially after four horrible years of "America first" and "Make America great again".

Okay, but if our votes are so meaningless, why do politicians try so hard to convince people to vote for them? Well, think of the optics. Without a significant number of votes from the population, the country would not be considered democratic at all, the illusion of the shining city on the hill would be shattered, and the decidedly undemocratic oligarchy laid bare for the rest of the world to see.
(...)
For decades now Democrats and Republicans represent two wings of the same party, dedicated to corporate dominance.
Words straight from my mind. I said the same in different words, often, didn't I. They are true, in principle, for our European states as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpwJKYbEAZ8

MaDef

10-10-20, 08:32 PM

The U.S is not a full Democracy, it is a Democratic Republic, there is a subtle but undeniable difference between the two.

Buddahaid

10-10-20, 08:36 PM

The U.S is not a full Democracy, it is a Democratic Republic, there is a subtle but undeniable difference between the two.

Yes, one sucks, and the other one sucks.

August

10-10-20, 08:55 PM

Paying taxes, well - if Trump pays less taxes than you i can see how you envy him.

Fine redirect but Mr Quatro didn't say "paying" taxes he said "raising" taxes which if they regain power is exactly what the Democrats intend to do to everyone rich and poor.

As for Trump he didn't invent those deductions, he's just following the same rules as everyone else. More power to him I say.

skidman

10-11-20, 03:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeF2rkyxDIo

Excellent analysis. I wonder if the working poor have unlearned to strike back against the fat cats, or if they are still vainly waiting for the breadcrumbs to trickle down from the moneybags' dining tables, as Reagan, Thatcher and all the other neocon idiots promised.

Skybird

10-11-20, 08:22 AM

The U.S is not a full Democracy, it is a Democratic Republic, there is a subtle but undeniable difference between the two.
Who cares. Jump directly to 1:14 to be gotten out of the way, so that the real relevant non-distraction stuff can be focussed on.

Skybird

10-11-20, 08:45 AM

https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/donald-trump-beschaedigt-auch-unsere-demokratie-kolumne-a-71714efc-dde0-44e3-9262-52bfda6956d6

The biggest problem with Trump is his voters

by Henrik Müller

It is a scandal that Donald Trump can still win the presidential election - despite all the wrongdoings and atrocities. How can that be? The answer is not good.

The US presidential election should actually have been decided long ago. And completely regardless of which side you are on in individual political questions. It's not about that anymore. The main thing is now. Those who take the rule of law and democracy seriously cannot actually vote for this incumbent.

But the latest polls show that Donald Trump is by no means completely behind. In most states and also in the US, the president's score is lower than his challenger Joe Biden, but on average he is up to ten percentage points behind. Around 42 percent of those surveyed are still satisfied with Trump's administration. So he still has a chance of being re-elected. How can that be?

What is really unsettling about this campaign is not Trump's official conduct, but the possible inability of the sovereign - that is, the people - to remove an intolerable president from office. And all of this takes place in that great country which, despite all its mistakes, has been a shining example to the western world for generations. A finding that puts democracy itself as a system of government into twilight - and thus also concerns us directly.

Two revelations in the past few weeks should be enough to make Trump ineligible: his admission that he deluded the American public - knowingly and calculated - about the dangers of the corona pandemic, as he chatted into the recording device to reporter Bob Woodward in the spring. And the New York Times publications on Trump's tax returns, which reveal an abyss of tax avoidance and corruptibility.

Everything is there, for everyone to read and hear. The president is jointly responsible for hundreds of thousands of preventable corona infections. For years he has not paid any taxes and also posted income in the millions in office, which can be interpreted as political favors from home and abroad. Nobody can say they didn't know anything. Even those who have forgotten the dizzying series of misconducts and scandals of the past few years should be able to make a clear judgment in view of the current revelations: The main thing is not to have a second term.

Under these circumstances, it should be completely irrelevant whether after the cancellation of the television duel originally planned for the coming week, another meeting of the candidates takes place. A dispute over factual issues does not do justice to this presidency. The real issue is the functioning of democracy.

Democracy, as Abraham Lincoln once said, is "government of the people, for the people, by the people". That sounds good, simple and plausible. But there is a complex construct behind it. For democracy to be a form of government of the people that works for the people and is exercised by the people, as the 16th US President put it in his "Gettysburg Address" in 1863, certain conditions must be met.

The people mean: The first and last instance are the citizens - without the trust of the people the system collapses. It elects its representatives and delegates its power to the state authority. But what if the people do not exercise their power effectively because they are distracted, deluded, or hopelessly polarized?

For the people this means: The results of the governance must benefit broad majorities, they must make the lives of most of them better and safer and not only benefit small minorities. And they should be sustainable over the long term; A policy à la Trump, which is limited to gimmicky ad hoc measures, but in the long term has expensive consequences and side effects, contradicts this demand.

Democracy is a fragile event. The people's rule must make decisions in a way that meets the requirement that every citizen can participate equally in them. In other words: the procedural input should correspond to the principle of equality. The institutions that implement these decisions should work reliably and transparently. And whatever results come out of it, the output, should be sensible and benefit the people in the long term.

If democracy fails in these disciplines, it becomes unstable. Then their legitimacy suffers, and other, less liberal forms of rule appear in a more advantageous light.

At present, liberal democracy is in danger of losing its justification. On the one hand, this affects the output: the crashes and accidents in the western system - from the financial and euro crisis to the ongoing Brexit hangover to Trump's presidency - undermine credibility. Crumbling prosperity, increasing insecurity and millions of corona infections do not necessarily fall on their feet, but damage the system as a whole, because it enables such self-damaging results in the first place.

Obviously, the success of a government - at least for parts of the population - is no longer necessarily measured by its performance, but by its entertainment value.

The widespread skepticism about whether we are on the right track, which is shown in various surveys, can be understood as a lack of output legitimation. This is also the case in the USA: Four weeks before the election, two thirds of US citizens said their country was "on the wrong track". But what conclusions do you draw from this? A re-election of the incumbent is still possible. What ?!

The disintegration of the public plays a central role in these developments. In an ideal system, democratic processes are stabilized by being embedded in a free public discourse. To put it pathetically: in a collective search for truth.

If the essential, pressing questions are openly debated, if grievances are uncovered and the negative consequences of current developments are discussed, then the chances are not bad that the representatives of the people will cast them into laws (input) that actually have a positive effect on the reality of life ( Output).

In order for democracy to function properly, an enlightened population is required. However, if the relevant is no longer addressed in a true form, if false news, trivialities and other bull**** clog the debate rooms, if niches and echo chambers seal themselves off and the roar of the spiral of noise becomes deafening, then it is no longer absolutely guaranteed that the truth for everyone Visibly comes to light. Under these conditions it is no longer so easy to see what the quality of government is like.

Attention spans have become short. That plays into the hands of the populists. In the competition for attention, the audience turns away bored if something surprising doesn't happen all the time. Donald Trump, you have to give him that, has developed the perfect style for it. He continues his story every day, using reality TV. Emotional outbursts, bitter conflicts, surprising reconciliations, cliffhangers, public castings, suspense, staged highlights - there is always something going on around Trump. That is why he is in a position to dominate large sections of the public for years - and to cover it up with all sorts of incidental matters, so that his true scandals are blurred.
"You can't fool all the people all the time?" Maybe yes!

During the Corona shutdown, I expressed the hope at this point that the Covid 19 crisis could become the populists' oath of disclosure. After all, their failure is all too obvious. I was too optimistic. The pandemic mismanagement by Boris Johnson (UK), Jair Bolsonaro (Brazil) and Trump was so inadequate that each of them ended up self-infected. Nevertheless, they all still enjoy considerable approval ratings. Obviously, the success of a government - at least for parts of the population - is no longer necessarily measured by its performance, but by its entertainment value.

A process is under way in which the basic consensus threatens to be lost. The changes in the media landscape - the emergence of social media, the weaker penetration of serious journalism - favor a disintegration of the public. Societies split up into smaller and smaller resonance spaces, each with its own narratives about the state of the world. These narratives do not necessarily need a reliable factual basis in order to appear credible to the respective followers. Mutual confirmation within the respective group is sufficient.

Trump can use disinfectant injections as corona therapy with impunity, while German aluminum hat wearers fear that Bill Gates, the "Deep State" or God knows who will read their brains. Quite clearly, without a common factual basis, real existing problems can hardly be distinguished from imaginary ones.

To quote Lincoln again: "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Fooling some of the people all the time? In any case, Trump and his loyal following are showing the way.

August

10-11-20, 09:20 AM

Trump can use disinfectant injections as corona therapy with impunity, while German aluminum hat wearers fear that Bill Gates, the "Deep State" or God knows who will read their brains. Quite clearly, without a common factual basis, real existing problems can hardly be distinguished from imaginary ones.

Who cares what German workers think? Shouldn't this crap be in the German politics thread where nobody will care enough to read it?

u crank

10-11-20, 11:50 AM

Trump is not automatically "orange man bad". He has earned his bad reputation.
My "problem" is that Trump e.g. spouts out ten direct lies, and some democrat one. But all Trump followers concentrate of "democrats bad and hypocritical". Of course they are! Too!

But even in their best hypocritical time they are not even close to the hypocrisy and lying of Trump. You make it look as it it were the same, but the amount of bs is unbelievably higher on Trump's side.
They are not in the same league, plain and simple. Not that i understand what and why the US democrats do what they do, or republicans, or not :03:

Well you changed the subject there from the media (Fox News and Redstate) to orange man bad. What is amazing to me is the lack of credibility of the MSM. They now wear their bias like a badge of honor. And yes Fox News is just as bad as CNN and MSNBC.

Here is a guy, Kyle Smith from National Review (oh the horror) who asks a very simple question. What if Joe Biden was a Republican?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/if-biden-were-a-republican/

skidman

10-11-20, 01:20 PM

Here is a guy, Kyle Smith from National Review (oh the horror) who asks a very simple question. What if Joe Biden was a Republican?

Well the answer is as simple as the question: If Joe Biden was a Republican, Kyle Smith would not have written this article. :03:

Catfish

10-11-20, 02:04 PM

Well you changed the subject there from the media (Fox News and Redstate) to orange man bad.
No i just said or better wrote that this is what Fox News and Trump's other adlati accuse the mainstream press of. They hate anything not far-right, and it shows everywhere.

Lack of credibilty of the MSM - i guess you mean mainstream media - i wonder what Fox News, Breitbart or the lot have that you would call "credibility"? :haha:

What you call "bias of the MSM" is what distinguishes them from your opinion and the far right. Yes they are biased against the far right. I can criticize the right wing and the left wing and the more or less neutral center, but it often helps to evaluate the source that criticizes - in this case it is not constructive critic but throwing dirt at anything non-Trump.

I have no idea who Kyle Smith is, he obviously posts in the "National Review" [sic!] and does not like Joe Biden - and I could even understand this, but if the "alternative" is Trump ..

His "arguments" are just a way of throwing dirt at Trump critics and competitors.
And once more: Even if all democrats would be full-time liars, hypocrites and power-hungry hyenas they would never even come close to Trump. The latter is not the messiah, he is an atrocious liar and a bigmouth. It is frightening that this pleases most of the Americans.

u crank

10-11-20, 03:07 PM

They hate anything not far-right, and it shows everywhere.

Lack of credibilty of the MSM - i guess you mean mainstream media - i wonder what Fox News, Breitbart or the lot have that you would call "credibility"? :haha:

Do you even know what the Mainstream media is? Fox news is MSM, Breitbart is not. CNN is MSM, Vox is not.

What you call "bias of the MSM" is what distinguishes them from your opinion and the far right. Yes they are biased against the far right.

Jesus. Do you think I am far right? Do you think conservatives and Republicans are far right? Do you know the difference between the far right and conservative ideology? I am beginning to think you don't. And if you don't you should educate yourself.

I have no idea who Kyle Smith is ...

His "arguments" are just a way of throwing dirt at Trump critics and competitors.

Let's ask a simple question. Again. Do you think that Joe Biden is untouchable? Are there questions that he can't be asked? In case you missed it that was the whole point of the article. Kyle Smith shouldn't have to ask those questions. Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, Chuck Todd, Nicolle Wallace etc. should be. But they are not. Ask yourself why not.

And once more: Even if all democrats would be full-time liars, hypocrites and power-hungry hyenas they would never even come close to Trump.

That is the worst argument I have ever heard.:har:

The latter is not the messiah, he is an atrocious liar and a bigmouth.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

It is frightening that this pleases most of the Americans.

Simply not true. The truth is that probably many people on the American right don't like Trump's behavior but they are not going to vote for someone like Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. It isn't a popularity contest. It is all about the political reality that the candidates and their parties and their political philosophies represent. Why is that so hard to understand?

Gerald

10-12-20, 09:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=bEh9KstQc-U

August

10-12-20, 10:08 AM

Yes, one sucks, and the other one sucks.

Of course they suck but they suck less than any other form of government ever invented.

August

10-12-20, 12:24 PM

Interesting.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/02/new-york-times-admits-multiple-spies-deployed-against-trump-campaign/?fbclid=IwAR1Ua-WaYeaO0wNIcNBXzVd494iS5ksC8oPL2ZTr0Mu1gAYomP2brQ0X VS4

New York Times Admits Obama Admin Deployed Multiple Spies Against Trump Campaign In 2016

The New York Times admitted on Thursday that the Obama administration deployed multiple spies against the Trump campaign in 2016, confirming recent comments by Attorney General William Barr that 'spying did occur' during the campaign.

Following months of angry claims by journalists and Democratic operatives that the Obama administration never spied on Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, The New York Times admitted Thursday that multiple overseas intelligence assets were deployed against associates of the Republican nominee. It is not the first time the Times has revealed widespread spying operations against the campaign.
In addition to noting that long-time informant Stefan Halper was tasked with collecting intelligence on the Trump campaign, the Times story details how a woman was sent overseas under a fake name and occupation to oversee the spy operation. The woman’s real name is not mentioned in the article, though the Times says she went by “Azra Turk” and has a relationship with an unidentified federal intelligence agency.

Buddahaid

10-12-20, 12:28 PM

Isn't that one of those fake news sources we keep hearing the right complaining about?

August

10-12-20, 12:47 PM

Isn't that one of those fake news sources we keep hearing the right complaining about?

From the article:

The leak that fueled the Thursday NYT bombshell was likely placed in anticipation of the formal release of even more damaging information about how U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies potentially abused their authority to punish the government’s political enemies. The article specifically references the forthcoming release of an extensive inspector general review of potential improprieties at the Department of Justice (DOJ).
By leaking the information to the friendliest of friendly reporters, including Michael Schmidt at the Times, the individuals who ran the anti-Trump operation are likely hoping to spin the news in their favor.

Gerald

10-13-20, 09:58 AM

https://i.imgur.com/WciTzsP.jpg
Amy Coney Barrett: "I have an agenda to stick to the rule of law"

US Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett has evaded questions about her views on key issues on day two of her Senate confirmation hearing.

The conservative judge repeatedly refused to be drawn on abortion, healthcare and LGBTQ rights.

She stated she had "no agenda" and vowed to stick to "the rule of law".

Democrats opposed to her nomination view her as a threat to healthcare reforms passed under former President Barack Obama.

Republicans are seeking to approve her nomination ahead of the presidential election in three weeks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54523871

u crank

10-13-20, 10:39 AM

Amy Coney Barrett: Trump Supreme Court nominee sidesteps questions

Not true. She didn't give the answers that Democrats and their media allies wanted to hear.

Jimbuna

10-13-20, 10:44 AM

Not true. She didn't give the answers that Democrats and their media allies wanted to hear.

Certainly beginning to look that way :yep:

Gerald

10-13-20, 10:54 AM

Not true. She didn't give the answers that Democrats and their media allies wanted to hear.
I know. Heard the interrogation live. This is linked from Clearnet.

Bilge_Rat

10-13-20, 11:05 AM

yes, nothing really going on, opposing party is trying to get a damaging statement out of her and she is answering like every other judicial nominee.

standard washington dance.

If the Dems have nothing stronger than discussing her judicial philosophy, she is probably a lock.

Jimbuna

10-13-20, 01:12 PM

Mr Quatro

10-13-20, 10:08 PM

Do your own word search I have spoken :up:

04-26-2020, 08:55 AM

Obama and Biden made mistakes and it will cost them the election.
This will become a fact in the next six months of the campaign.

05-10-2020, 06:53 AM

Obamagate is going to make Watergate seem like a silly high school prank. Richard Nixon should be happy. If Trump wins don't count on Obama getting a pardon. I wonder where an Islamic friendly ex-president might find safe haven without extradition? "No Extradition" being the top search on Obama officials browsers this week no doubt.

Wow! I hope so

Right before the election too taking VP Biden with him

05-12-2020, 07:40 AM

I never thought about that, but all of this is coming out at a strange time five (5) months and 3 weeks before the election. More to come right before the Nation decides which one is the worse choice.

Obama will be Biden's downfall

05-12-2020, 07:40 AM

Yes, I still think President Trump will win the National election in November 2020, but as I have stated many times before Trump will turn the White House over to VP Mike Pence (why I do not know).

One scenario you have not anticipated will come from Obama/Biden's closet has not yet been fully explored. The dark secrets of the Obama era will come to light right before the election to sway the voters, that will not even dare go out to the polls in person, to vote for not only President Trump, but for the GOP.

As u crank as stated the democrats are making Biden look silly with the open borders, health care for all, gun control including the rumor (right or wrong) that certain guns will be confiscated,
plus a woman for VP which will work for certain voters, but not for all.

Yes vienna you have not looked at the chess board of the National election in the same way as I have. :yep:

May the best man win and I don't mean between you and me :hmmm:

I would not believe this crazy story myself except my prophecy is coming true just three weeks before the election. This is real folks watch it and you wil lthink it's fake news ...

Where's vienna when you need him?

BREAKING: Whistleblower Drops HARD Evidence, Biden, Obama, Hillary EXECUTED Seal Team 6, Audio Proof
1,620,690 views•Premiered Oct 12, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCybWf1g9K8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Px6dFgFvvwkhqUicZyi8UTF9vy-PBZ7uE9ro7Vu3WcgCS3DhVzWlG5tM

https://www.google.com/search?q=Biden%2C+Obama%2C+Hillary+EXECUTED+Seal+T eam+6%2C+Audio+Proof&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS922US922&oq=Biden%2C+Obama%2C+Hillary+EXECUTED+Seal+Team+6% 2C+Audio+Proof&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

eddie

10-13-20, 10:12 PM

Do your own word search I have spoken :up:

04-26-2020, 08:55 AM

05-10-2020, 06:53 AM

05-12-2020, 07:40 AM

05-12-2020, 07:40 AM

I would not believe this crazy story myself except my prophecy is coming true just three weeks before the election. This is real folks watch it and you wil lthink it's fake news ...

Where's vienna when you need him?

BREAKING: Whistleblower Drops HARD Evidence, Biden, Obama, Hillary EXECUTED Seal Team 6, Audio Proof
1,620,690 views•Premiered Oct 12, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCybWf1g9K8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Px6dFgFvvwkhqUicZyi8UTF9vy-PBZ7uE9ro7Vu3WcgCS3DhVzWlG5tM

https://www.google.com/search?q=Biden%2C+Obama%2C+Hillary+EXECUTED+Seal+T eam+6%2C+Audio+Proof&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS922US922&oq=Biden%2C+Obama%2C+Hillary+EXECUTED+Seal+Team+6% 2C+Audio+Proof&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

:haha::haha::har::har: What a joke,lol

Mr Quatro

10-14-20, 09:34 PM

:haha::haha::har::har: What a joke,lol

Okay eddie I see no one else wants to comment on this story fake or not, but just for the record (already retweeted by President Trump and covered on CNN by the way). Just for the record let's say it's fake news, but it's not fake prophecy about something is going to happen right before the election that includes dirty secrets of the Obama administration taking Biden down with him.

It's well documented that I said it would happen (without knowing what would happen) and of course we have em2nought saying something would happen too

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by em2nought
Obamagate is going to make Watergate seem like a silly high school prank. Richard Nixon should be happy. If Trump wins don't count on Obama getting a pardon. I wonder where an Islamic friendly ex-president might find safe haven without extradition? "No Extradition" being the top search on Obama officials browsers this week no doubt.

2.6 million views by the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCybWf1g9K8&t=329s

Buddahaid

10-14-20, 10:49 PM

"You may think waiting 11 hours to vote would be the height of frustration, but not for one family in Georgia".

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189

Dowly

10-15-20, 03:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCybWf1g9K8&t=329s
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Overall, we rate Next News Network Extreme Right Biased and Questionable based on the routine publication of right-wing propaganda and conspiracy theories as well as several failed fact checks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/next-news-network/

Makes one wonder, if there's such a bombshell like this, why go on some obscure youtube news channel known for BS to reveal it?

u crank

10-15-20, 07:04 AM

Well this kinda confirms what Republicans and people on the right have been saying about Twitter and Facebook for some time.

This morning, Andy Stone, Facebook’s policy communications manager (and, per his bio, a former staffer for Barbara Boxer, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and the House Majority PAC), announced that the social-media giant would begin “reducing” the “distribution” of a New York Post investigation into emails purporting that Joe Biden met with a top executive from the Ukrainian natural-gas firm Burisma Holdings at the behest of his son Hunter Biden.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/twitter-and-facebooks-shameful-repression-of-the-new-york-posts-hunter-biden-story/

Instead of simply asking pertinent questions, or debunking the Post’s reporting, a media blackout was initiated. A number of well-known journalists warned colleagues and their sizable social-media audiences not to share the story.

So much for a free press.

By the afternoon, Twitter had joined Facebook in suppressing the article, not only barring its users from sharing it with followers, but barring them sharing it through direct messages as well. It locked the accounts of White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, the Post, and many others for retweeting the story.

The most generous reading of Twitter and Facebook’s actions is that the rules are evolving, messy, and inadvertently unfair. A less generous — but more plausible — reading is that the tech giants single out specific stories damaging to progressives’ preferred presidential candidate.

Cybermat47

10-15-20, 11:49 PM

If they are suppressing stories detrimental to Biden for no reason other than they want him to be POTUS, that is pretty scummy. Democracy only works if people are well informed, which is increasingly difficult now due to the bias we see from both sides of the media. I’m more familiar with the fake news created by pro-Republican media outlets, and it’s just absurd.

Catfish

10-16-20, 02:27 AM

"How the right went far-right"
No, it's really interesting.

https://prospect.org/culture/books/how-the-right-went-far-right/

Skybird

10-16-20, 05:48 AM

"Die Denke is alles kaputt."

Catfish

10-16-20, 06:11 AM

^ :D Joo..

Die Lügenpresse unterdrückt unsere Naziparolen. Skandal!

Bilge_Rat

10-16-20, 07:31 AM

interesting article by Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept blasting Facebook and Twitter for banning/restricting the NY Post story on the Joe Biden/Burisma/Ukraine scandal:

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/15/facebook-and-twitter-cross-a-line-far-more-dangerous-than-what-they-censor/

Glenn Greenwald is a well known left-wing/anti-Trump journalist. When even he thinks Twitter/FB went too far, it is obvious something is out of whack.

I have to admit I don't understand what the Dem operatives/MSM/Twitter/FB are thinking. By trying to stop people from reading the NY Post story, you make it an even bigger story that everyone is now aware of.

Catfish

10-16-20, 02:56 PM

:hmmm:

https://i.imgur.com/jLjtDUcl.jpg

Skybird

10-16-20, 03:51 PM

Trump does what he has done all his life: playing foul.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Fpolitik%2Fangeblich e-biden-ukraine-affaere-echter-skandal-oder-luegenkampagne-unbewiesener-artikel-greift-biden-an_id_12546607.html

Americans should be more concerned about kidnapped children who are being murdered in secret subterranean state laboratories sponsored by Trump and his multimillionaire friends, where a hormone cocktail is being extracted from the young victims' pituitary via a technology that has been found in that crashed spaceship the reptiloids have left behind on Earth's surface before they dug their tunnels and migrated into the big inner cave at the core of planet earth. The design of subway tunnels would never have become this advanced without the Reptiloids' tunnels as exmaples, so our subways today proove pretty much that the Reptiloids do exist for sure and that Earth is hollow at its core. that stinking rich millionaires slurp hormone cocktails won from children's brains - that is the only real scandal here. And its all Trump's fault. Biden obviously is the only one who ever has survived this barbaric medical procedure.

More or less.

mapuc

10-16-20, 04:19 PM

Was it Sanders or is it Biden who should be or is far left, as someone wrote he is almost an marxist ?

If it was Biden, then I get this picture.

Biden wins the election and only a few days after 20th of January he does what other communist leaders have done before when they wanted to fight a riot or an uprising...use of military force.

Like we saw in 1956 Hungary and in 1968 Czechoslovakia

I know sometimes my imagination runs away with me.

Markus

Catfish

10-16-20, 04:43 PM

^ no it is actually that everyone who disagrees with Trump is bad for America, and so is called "left". So "left" is bad and because it is, Trump (at the right) is automatically good.

Neither Biden nor Sanders are really left from a neutral point of view (in european eyes they are both on the political right), but from Trump's view they are left.

Not that Trump really thinks that they are left, or that they are bad, or even more bad than him (hardly believable, even for Trump), but he has to portray himself as "better", so he gets more votes when he bedevils the "left". Or what some people think that is. Not that he has any own idea or stance about politics, he could run for the democrats or Nazis or the martian abortion party, he would just adjust his slogans to get more votes.

So he says Biden and Sanders are "communists". Which is of course a lie. It is the new think that when you are enabled to pay your bills and have your kids raised with a reasonable education by being paid a fair loan, and expect reasonable health care, and are not a born millionaire, you are automatically "left". And so you are bad.

Easy.
:O:

mapuc

10-16-20, 04:59 PM

It seems like you could be right.

I made a search for both

For Biden I asked How far left is Biden exactly

I picked the first proposal from google

“Biden is not a socialist. He’s not a radical. But he is running on the most liberal policy platform of any Democratic candidate in modern American history. And if he wins the presidency, it could usher in a period of progressive victories unlike anything since the Great Society of the 1960s.”

https://news.yahoo.com/just-how-far-left-is-joe-biden-really-151859935.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALejdor_WeuDqG8uGs1wXKxHolpE PWiwGAtSoUTINDLdr43F8qTIdtS7lSELt380AjI8PXjb6izFXv fynvKofSN2NgaBdTfAyNQ9C1w1StDrSvtCahdgGnCBhB3i9ccg MRdO6Qt3EMzJ0BHPCylgtCrH03V8MW3H_PqE4t-TLOrR

For Sanders I asked How far left is Sanders exactly

I picked the first proposal from google

To some Democrats, being called “left wing” is an epithet. But to Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the self-described democratic socialist now running for the “big-D” Democratic presidential nomination, it’s a badge of honor.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/0430/Just-how-left-wing-is-Bernie-Sanders.

Markus

Catfish

10-16-20, 05:06 PM

But "social democratic" is not "socialist", and not "communist".
For Trump or his followers, the most politically "right" danish party would still be "left", because even those want fair loans and equality, and affordable health insurance guaranteed by the state. Regardless what they say about immigrants.

I guess Sanders wears it as a badge of honour because he is for more fairness regarding loans, pensions and healthcare, and Trump stands for the opposite - in Sanders view.
If Sanders would be elected PotUS he would never erect a socialist rule like Trump claims. Bernie Sanders still is no real "socialist" - and whatever he never had or has a chance in America.

Skybird

10-16-20, 05:37 PM

Was it Sanders or is it Biden who should be or is far left, as someone wrote he is almost an marxist ?

Sanders.

u crank

10-16-20, 05:48 PM

"How the right went far-right"
No, it's really interesting.

https://prospect.org/culture/books/how-the-right-went-far-right/

I can certainly see how you get your outlook about the American right by reading this kind of stuff.

In my humble opinion the danger that America will become a Fascist state is unlikely. I think the real danger is from the rise of the authoritarian Left in politics, higher education and the public sector. That combined with the violent street 'demonstrations' is the real threat to the Liberal democratic order. Richard Spencer can only dream about having that kind of political power and street muscle.

Buddahaid

10-16-20, 08:21 PM

I don't want either extreme but politics has become binary in the US. Your a zero or a one, white hat or black hat (you choose your color), right or wrong, etc. The system still apparently works because no one is getting it all their way a bleating the sins of the others. Rubbish wins in the end.

Gerald

10-17-20, 07:31 AM

Shares of gun makers have been gaining ground and so have firearm sales as Democratic candidate Joe Biden runs ahead of President Donald Trump in the polls. Conway G. Gittens reports.

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idPT3k?now=true

An uncertainty creates increased bunkerings this can show dissatisfaction.

August

10-17-20, 08:53 AM

The Liberal Champion is a crook and should be in jail.

One email, dated May 13, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, includes a discussion of “remuneration packages” for six people in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm. The email appeared to identify Hunter Biden as “Chair / Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC,” in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co.
The email includes a note that “Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.” A proposed equity split references “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” with no further details. Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.
Sources told Fox News that "the big guy" is a reference to the former vice president. The New York Post initially published the emails and other controversial messages that Fox News has also obtained.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

Mr Quatro

10-17-20, 11:14 AM

The Liberal Champion is a crook and should be in jail.

If this is true (no reason not to believe it to me) then why has there been suppression of the truth?

Why would the suppressor's of the truth want Joe biden to be the POTUS?

Hate for Trump is not enough ... money must be involved somewhere. These powerful men are trying to mold American into what they want it to be.
They are already rich so it's hard to understand, must be something about power that I don't understand. :hmmm:

Joe Biden just lost the election, but he wasn't running for office anyway Harris was ... it was all about putting her into power to lead our country.

Now is the time for a hurricane around November 1st to 3rd should be enough to keep the people home from the polls. :yep:

August

10-17-20, 12:17 PM

Now is the time for a hurricane around November 1st to 3rd should be enough to keep the people home from the polls. :yep:

Too late (at least when it comes to my vote)

https://i.imgur.com/aVeKl7nl.jpg

em2nought

10-17-20, 12:35 PM

Too late (at least when it comes to my vote)

https://i.imgur.com/aVeKl7nl.jpg
Unless your vote gets "lost". :hmmm:

August

10-17-20, 01:06 PM

Unless your vote gets "lost". :hmmm:

That's why I didn't vote by mail. I watched it go into the lock box. :03:

Dowly

10-18-20, 02:27 AM

The Liberal Champion is a crook and should be in jail.Even if what the New York Post reported would be true, what law has Joe Biden broken?

Skybird

10-18-20, 04:56 AM

Walled in the fortress of self-deception

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fwissenschaft%2Fme nsch%2Fusa-republikaner-eingemauert-in-der-festung-des-selbstbetrugs-kolumne-a-468cdea1-d5e3-4a4e-901d-be28f56d645d

MaDef

10-18-20, 07:30 AM

Even if what the New York Post reported would be true, what law has Joe Biden broken?

U.S code section 208

Skybird

10-18-20, 09:49 AM

FBI (once again) started investigations against Trump's personal lawyer Giuliani, who had already in the past let "evidence" forged by Russian agents to badmouth Biden's son. Well, Giuliani again. Once as stinker, always a stinker.

But if it is in favour of Republicans -
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/f4bNusi9yAA/mqdefault.jpg

:yeah:

Dowly

10-18-20, 09:56 AM

U.S code section 208Biden wasn't a government official in 2017, so no that law doesn't apply here.

August

10-18-20, 10:14 AM

But if it is in favour of Democrats.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/f4bNusi9yAA/mqdefault.jpg:yeah:

Fixed that for you to match every one of your other posts.

u crank

10-18-20, 02:56 PM

Catfish

10-18-20, 03:36 PM

Yep, pretty disgusting.

Skybird

10-18-20, 04:18 PM

Amy Coney Barrett, a weasel dancing on tiptoes. She should be persecuted for disregard for the committee.

Another illustration for how kaputt the whole smoldering system is.

u crank

10-18-20, 04:21 PM

Yep, pretty disgusting.

Ya think so? Here's another one for you.

https://i.imgur.com/XRIfr3k.png?1

The person on the right is Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii. She has a law degree. Note the binder of highlighted notes. The picture on the left is Barrett's response to Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas when he asked her what was on the single piece of paper in front of her. She answered every single question by every Senator without referencing any notes. It was a stunning display of knowledge about constitutional law. It was no contest.

Oh and by the way one of Hirono's questions was ... wait for it ... 'Since you became a legal adult, have you ever made unwanted requests for sexual favors, or committed any physical or verbal harassment or assault of a sexual nature?'

Now that is disgusting.

August

10-18-20, 04:55 PM

Amy Coney Barrett, a weasel dancing on tiptoes. She should be persecuted for disregard for the committee.

Another illustration for how kaputt the whole smoldering system is.

No, it's just another illustration of how ridiculously biased you are. :roll:

Catfish

10-19-20, 02:25 AM

Ya think so? Here's another one for you. [...]
No, your picture in your first post is disgusting, not necessarilay Mrs Barrett.

Catfish

10-19-20, 02:28 AM

The Liberal Champion is a crook and should be in jail. [...] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

"AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s falsehoods on virus, taxes and Bidens"

"TRUMP on Joe Biden and Ukraine: “I never had a quid pro quo. How about this quid pro quo? ‘We’re not going to give you the billion dollars unless you get rid of the prosecutor ... Stop investigating my son.’ And then he goes, boom, the prosecutor was fired and they got the billion dollars.” — rally Saturday in Muskegon, Michigan.

THE FACTS: Trump is repeating a false claim alleging that Biden as vice president pressed to have a prosecutor fired while the prosecutor was investigating Burisma, the energy company in Ukraine where Biden’s son Hunter sat on the board of directors. In fact, by the time Biden came out against the prosecutor, the investigation into the company was dormant.

Biden, among other international officials, was pressing for a more aggressive investigation of corruption in Ukraine, not a softer one.

Trump’s team often cites a video of Joe Biden from 2018. Speaking on a public panel, Biden recounted threatening to withhold a loan guarantee from Ukraine’s government unless it fired the prosecutor, who was widely considered ineffective if not corrupt himself.

What Trump doesn’t say is that in February 2016, a few months after Biden threatened to hold back a $1 billion loan guarantee, the International Monetary Fund threatened to delay $40 billion in aid unless Ukraine took action to fight corruption.

An investigation into Burisma’s owner for money laundering, tax evasion and other alleged misdeeds began in 2012 and pertained to the years before Hunter Biden joined the board."

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-3d7fb045c2b12c0a79552424f3f54b20

u crank

10-19-20, 04:31 AM

No, your picture in your first post is disgusting, not necessarilay Mrs Barrett.

Well your going to have to explain why. It was suppose to be a funny jab at Skybird. Why are you offended?

MaDef

10-19-20, 07:19 AM

Biden wasn't a government official in 2017, so no that law doesn't apply here.Allegations date back to when Joe Biden was VP, so it does apply (assuming said allegations are accurate).

u crank

10-19-20, 07:27 AM

"AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s falsehoods on virus, taxes and Bidens"

Well that is all very interesting stuff.

But let's ask a question. Why is Joe Biden and the Biden/Harris campaign not talking about the fact that their opponent was impeached less than a year ago? Impeached for a supposedly improper phone call that had something to do with Joe and Hunter Biden. One would think that this would be a prime talking point in the campaign. One would think they would talk about how corrupt Trump was in making that phone call. Strange.

Maybe they forgot about it.:hmmm:

Catfish

10-19-20, 07:50 AM

Because reasonable people already know it?
Because they know nothing will convince a Trump cult follower that their shining example ever did wrong?
Maybe they do want not throw around the same amount of dirt as the Donald, and appear more statesmanlike?

u crank

10-19-20, 09:05 AM

Because reasonable people already know it?

Know what? That Joe and Hunter Biden were acting in a corrupt manner? If that is the case then why isn't it a major news story? The reasonable people who support Biden do not want to know all the facts but it may be to late for that.

Because they know nothing will convince a Trump cult follower that their shining example ever did wrong?

I think that Buddahaid had a very good point in post #10891.

I don't want either extreme but politics has become binary in the US. Your a zero or a one, white hat or black hat (you choose your color), right or wrong, etc. The system still apparently works because no one is getting it all their way a bleating the sins of the others. Rubbish wins in the end.

So what about you? Do you hold a binary position or can you see both sides?

Hey I'll go first.

I think that Donald Trump is ill suited to be the President. His personality, his poor grasp of the facts and his past make it so. The Trump drama can't end soon enough.

Joe Biden is a corrupt politician. He is a liar, a plagarist, and his political accomplishments are pitiful at best. He is also displaying signs of senility. I don't want Joe Biden to be President.

Your turn.

Catfish

10-19-20, 09:49 AM

Know what? That Joe and Hunter Biden were acting in a corrupt manner? If that is the case then why isn't it a major news story? The reasonable people who support Biden do not want to know all the facts but it may be to late for that.

I suppose this is just one more of Trump's fog bombs. He is just repeating the same lame old accusations the Fox viewers already "know" by heart, now (together with this Bannon fellow) trying to throw mud at Biden since neither Clinton nor Obama are his direct competitors.
I think Trump is becoming a victim of his own filter bubble, Fox et al gladly echo anything he says or wants them to say, but it is not important, nor true, nor do much people believe his accusations anymore. It is clar that he only tries to divert from his own wrongdoings, and how he managed the corona crisis.

I am not for Trump, not because he is "republican" (he even is not in my book, he could and would run for any party), but because he is unelectable as a person.

Biden:
I do not think he is more corrupt than Trump, just because Bannon says so. Try to accuse him, i guess this will peter out like trying to impeach Trump.
He is too old, he is probably becoming senile, but he will never do as much harm as Trump.
And he will probably give the reigns over to Pence soon, after he has been elected. He does have the stature for this. Trump has not.

Skybird

10-19-20, 10:08 AM

An airliner whose two pilots suddenly become unconscious, will not immediately crash. It will not react to anything but else it will fly on nicely and steadily.

Until it runs out of fuel.

Thats my view of the US as it is and will be in the coming years. Autopilot is engaged, but nobody knows how much fuel still is left in the tanks. The cabin crews yell and run, but the door to the cockpit is locked.

On the ground meanwhile, some masked Russians run away and under their coats hide the drill machines they just have used before the plane took off.

mapuc

10-19-20, 11:58 AM

This is a Biden question post.

1. If Mr. Biden and Son have done something wrong, either morally or legally, then it must be up to the voters to judge him and the law if he has broken some federal laws.

2. Biden is a Democrat, but how much Dem are he ? Will the politics he's going to use be the same as Obama used and Clinton ?

Markus

u crank

10-19-20, 12:07 PM

I suppose this is just one more of Trump's fog bombs. He is just repeating the same lame old accusations the Fox viewers already "know" by heart, now (together with this Bannon fellow) trying to throw mud at Biden since neither Clinton nor Obama are his direct competitors.
I think Trump is becoming a victim of his own filter bubble, Fox et al gladly echo anything he says or wants them to say, but it is not important, nor true, nor do much people believe his accusations anymore. It is clar that he only tries to divert from his own wrongdoings, and how he managed the corona crisis.

So you are absolutely certain that all of this is just a 'Trump fog bomb'? What if it is true? So far Joe Biden is keeping strangely silent on the whole affair.

Some inconvenient facts.

By September 2019 the FBI had a forensic copy of the laptop. This should have been at least mentioned at Trump's impeachment hearings. Instead silence. If this evidence was in anyway damaging to Trump (as Russian disinformation) it would have been leaked to the MSM and for certain to Adam Schiff.

The current treatment of the story says a lot without saying anything. There has been an almost complete media blackout of the actual story. The 'Russian disinformation' angle is all they will report on. Twitter has shamefully repressed this story as well. They know it is not a good look for Joe and they are scared.

Finally there is candidate Biden's reaction. A bit of a denial but no actual attempt to disprove it.

Is it true? I don't know because I am not Hunter Biden. If it is true it's a pretty big scandal.

Kinda funny to. Those darn pesky laptops. Anthony Weiner meet the new boss .. Hunter Biden.:D

Catfish

10-19-20, 01:53 PM

Yes i am almost sure that it is a Trump fog bomb again (among how many? I lost count).

Trump's strategy at work, and it is exactly working how it should, make the wildest accusations and wait for the reaction of the people like "What if it is true? So far Joe Biden is keeping strangely silent on the whole affair." as you did. Smoke and mirrors, throw dirt all around you to divert from your failure.

But the denouncer has to prove the wrongdoing. A reasonable man will not answer to such accusations. Don't let yourself be drawn down to Trump level.

u crank

10-19-20, 02:54 PM

Trump's strategy at work, and it is exactly working how it should, make the wildest accusations and wait for the reaction of the people like "What if it is true? So far Joe Biden is keeping strangely silent on the whole affair." as you did. Smoke and mirrors, throw dirt all around you to divert from your failure.

Well if you have some proof that this Hunter Biden laptop discovery is Trump's doing or Steve Bannon's or the Russians I'd like to hear it. So would the FBI. Of course it isn't. He had nothing to do with it. Just because he is talking about it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Something tells me that you don't want it to be true. The relationship between Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Burisma is not a secret. It is well documented.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Ukraine%20Report_FINAL.pdf

There has always been a perception of a conflict of interest in those relationships. The emails contained on Hunter's laptop all but confirm this. This story is not going to go away. Can you handle the truth?

But the denouncer has to prove the wrongdoing. A reasonable man will not answer to such accusations. Don't let yourself be drawn down to Trump level.

Joe Biden is running for the highest position in the world. A reasonable man would make every effort to assure his supporters and those he wants to vote for him that an accusation of this magnitude is not true. So far he has made no effort to do that. It shouldn't be that hard.

And it looks suspicious that he is not.

Mr Quatro

10-19-20, 03:06 PM

Joe Biden is running for the highest position in the world. A reasonable man would make every effort to assure his supporters and those he wants to vote for him that an accusation of this magnitude is not true. So far he has made no effort to do that. It shouldn't be that hard.

And it looks suspicious that he is not.

Well he did get angry at one reporter when asked about it and Joe managed to take off his two masks and blurted out, "It's a smear campaign" :yep:

skidman

10-19-20, 05:32 PM

Joe Biden is running for the highest position in the world.

You're kidding, right?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7b3r319mlyjiqcy/Pope%20Biden.jpg?raw=1

August

10-19-20, 05:38 PM

Trump maintains large lead in small donor fundraising, Biden leads among big donors

Trump raised $252 million among small donors compared to Biden's $204 million, according to the latest Center For Responsive Politics data.

As the race for the White House reaches its homestretch, President Trump continues to lead opponent Joe Biden in small donor fundraising, while Biden leads among big donors.
Trump raised $252 million among small donors compared to Biden's $203.7 million, according to the latest data from the Center For Responsive Politics.
Contributions from small donors — those giving $200 or less — are a telling, but imperfect, metric in presidential campaigns, serving as a rough proxy for enthusiasm among the base. The correlation applies in this case, as Trump's lead in small donations aligns with polling showing Trump voters are more enthusiastic about their candidate than Biden voters are about theirs.
Americans who donate to campaigns are more likely to vote, according to the Pew Research Center. "Among those who say they vote always or nearly always, 21% said that they made a donation, compared with 4% of those who seldom voted or voted only part of the time," the Pew survey found.
The Center For Responsive Politics also reported that Biden has raised more money ($282.5 million) than Trump ($222.9 million) among big donors.
As a percentage of their total fundraising hauls, 52.9% of Trump's donors vs. 37.9% of Biden's donors have been smaller donors. Large contributions as a percentage of Trump's hauls were 46.8% compared to 52.9% for Biden.
"I take that, to some degree, as a badge of honor for the Trump campaign, and what I mean by that is this: Of course big money interests are lining up behind Joe Biden," Steve Cortes, a senior advisor to the Trump campaign, told "Just the News AM." "That's not surprising to me, that the CEOs of multinational corporations, who like terrible trade deals, that the titans of Wall Street, hedge funds, Hollywood elites, Mike Bloomberg, all of these big money interests are behind Joe Biden because he represents corporatist globalism."

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/trump-continues-defeat-biden-small-donor-fundraising-biden-leads-among

Gerald

10-19-20, 06:19 PM

And that Donald has mortgaged much of his own assets in this "money from his own pocket" in election campaign.

August

10-19-20, 06:23 PM

And that Donald has mortgaged much of his own assets in this "money from his own pocket" in election campaign.

Got an unbiased source for that claim Gerald?

Gerald

10-19-20, 06:31 PM

Got an unbiased source for that claim Gerald?I thought the current situation was generally known, but of course I can see what I get, a relative of my father who lives in Illinois showed it to me this summer.

Gerald

10-19-20, 06:38 PM

August

10-19-20, 06:48 PM

Some links here, but I have other, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-says-he-might-spend-his-own-money-on-his-re-election-campaign-if-i-have-to-i-would-2020-09-08

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/08/donald-trumps-campaign-investment-hit-66-million/95178392/

This is what u got first when ya use clearnet.

So according to the two links you posted he did use some of his own money back in 2016 but hasn't so far this time. Also I didn't see in either link anything about him mortgaging any of his properties to do it, let alone "much" of them.

Mr Quatro

10-19-20, 07:12 PM

Finally skidman comes up with a winner :up:

You're kidding, right?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7b3r319mlyjiqcy/Pope%20Biden.jpg?raw=1

Buddahaid

10-20-20, 12:15 AM

Hound Dog. Pick your fav...

Big Mama Thornton....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoHDrzw-RPg

Catfish

10-20-20, 02:03 AM

Well if you have some proof that this Hunter Biden laptop discovery is Trump's doing or Steve Bannon's or the Russians I'd like to hear it. [...] blah
I have nothing to prove. Nor has Biden. Trump has to prove any of his accusations.
Wasn't it Giuliani and Trump’s search for Ukrainian dirt that led to Trump’s impeachment?
Giuliani's dirty tricks are the real scandal, and where the material was made up (Andriy Derkach anyone?) :03:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/giuliani-russian-disinformation.html

u crank

10-20-20, 05:04 AM

I have nothing to prove. Nor has Biden. Trump has to prove any of his accusations.

Well if people are saying slanderous things about you during an election campaign and you could easily prove them false, why wouldn't you? Again to not do so seems suspicious. And of course the real issue is the question, is Joe Biden lying about the relationship between him and his son and their dealings in Ukraine? A guy running for President might want to clear that up. If he can.:03:

Wasn't it Giuliani and Trump’s search for Ukrainian dirt that led to Trump’s impeachment?

The Democrats started to talk about impeachment from day one of Trump's presidency.

Giuliani's dirty tricks are the real scandal, and where the material was made up (Andriy Derkach anyone?) :03:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/giuliani-russian-disinformation.html

Well it's a case of who are you going to believe. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff says that the emails are a "smear attempt coming from the Kremlin". Schiff has a record of saying untrue stuff. We are still waiting for his proof about Russian collusion that he says he has. On the other hand the current Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe says that the emails “not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.”

The FBI has had the contents of this laptop since December 2019. Senator Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) head of the Senate Intelligence Committee has asked FBI director Christopher Wray to 'assess the validity of materials'. Seems like that is something that shouldn't take ten months to do. Seems like if the FBI could prove the whole thing is a 'smear attempt' they would do it.

MaDef

10-20-20, 06:27 AM

Seems like if the FBI could prove the whole thing is a 'smear attempt' they would do it.Really? The way they handled the whole "Steele Dossier" would indicate they've become political hatchet men rather than a Federal law enforcement agency.

u crank

10-20-20, 07:11 AM

Really? The way they handled the whole "Steele Dossier" would indicate they've become political hatchet men rather than a Federal law enforcement agency.

Well that was exactly my point. They know the truth and they know it would be damaging to candidate Biden. Getting them to give us the truth is the task at hand.

Catfish

10-20-20, 08:36 AM

Well if people are saying slanderous things about you during an election campaign and you could easily prove them false, why wouldn't you? Again to not do so seems suspicious. [..]
If Biden would seriously prove everything wrong that has been said about him by Trump he would need more than 24 hours a day (which is of course what T. wants), i take it Biden just has had enough.
Let's see what happens in the next days, as far as i read Trump will be in for a treat.
And I'm out of here, we are both sounding like a broken record :03:

u crank

10-20-20, 09:43 AM

And I'm out of here, we are both sounding like a broken record :03:

Keep an open mind and don't just listen to the Biden friendly news media.

The truth is out there.:yep:

Jimbuna

10-20-20, 11:25 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/NjbJJB2z/598454-bigthumbnail.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

10-20-20, 12:12 PM

The BBC are reporting that China has said it will not interfere with the US elections. :hmmm:

mapuc

10-20-20, 12:15 PM

I guess it must have something to do with their disapproval of the sitting President Trump who is behind in every polls.

Because the Chinese don't like Trump
(The Russian do however)

Markus

August

10-20-20, 12:41 PM

The BBC are reporting that China has said it will not interfere with the US elections. :hmmm:

Whew! What a relief, i was so worried. :yep:

Jimbuna

10-20-20, 12:50 PM

Whew! What a relief, i was so worried. :yep:

:haha:

Skybird

10-20-20, 02:22 PM

The BBC are reporting that China has said it will not interfere with the US elections. :hmmm:
They have signed kind of a Ribbentrop-pact with Russia, dividing the Ununited States. After the next puppet got installed, China gets the Western half of the American states, Russia, having easier access via the North Atlantic, the Eastern half of states.

I feel like the man in the high castle. :03:

Buddahaid

10-20-20, 11:37 PM

https://youtu.be/jXQ29v9Nheo

Skybird

10-21-20, 04:22 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-abruptly-ends-60-minutes-interview-taunts-cbs-lesley-stahl-n1244104

"You have to watch what we do to 60 Minutes," Trump said early at rally in Erie, Pennsylvania, on Tuesday night. "You'll get such a kick out of it, you're going to get a kick out of it. Lesley Stahl is not going to be happy.”

Ouh. That kind of threat language we knew all to well in Germany, three generations ago.

This on a day when a politcal scientist from Harvard university and former adviser to Kissinger warns of Weimarer conditions in America and democracy being overwhelemed Yes, the threat is real, I see it the same way.

Hawk66

10-21-20, 06:07 AM

This on a day when a political scientist from Harvard university and former adviser to Kissinger warns of Weimarer conditions in America and democracy being overwhelemed Yes, the threat is real, I see it the same way.

The issue is that science does not play the biggest role for some Trump fanboys these days. Be it climate change, be it Corona, be it trade, be it whatever where science is involved including what y mentioned (and it is common sense under historians that democracy is not a given fact for any country, it is hard to understand why somebody can think of the opposite).

They are searching instead with a magnifying glass to detect dirt on Biden (hint: they will find it) and seem not to be able to watch any reasonable TV interview with Trump (the town hall meeting last week is a highlight regarding this) and that you cannot do marks on a paper fast enough to protocol his lying, denying science or not taken responsibilities for errors or for anything. Then y hear answers like "he is playing just with the moderators, he knows better". Ok, a look at the WHO dashboard or his political decisions regarding climate change is also then playing, I guess...

That is the one thing why I never joined and will join a political organization: You can discuss opinions, you can have different opinions and opinoins also do not always need to be based 100% on facts (although it would be good). But I would have never the energy to constantly discuss with people about facts, especially these days with the net. You always find a crazy scientist (or lobbyist) who deny facts like climate change or a doctor who claims HIV is not a virus disease. It seems everybody has a link ready for the next conspiration theory these days. What a waste of time.

u crank

10-21-20, 07:26 AM

Ouh. That kind of threat language we knew all to well in Germany, three generations ago.

Well that's streching everything in that article to the extreme. You're projecting here. If you look for Nazis under every bed and behind every tree you will miss the real story.

Here's a question. If big tech (Twitter, Facebook) will protect candidate Biden from scrutiny what will they do for President Biden? And what will be the reciprocal that a Biden administration will do for big tech? This is far more important than President Trump doing his standard routine with Lesley Stahl and NBCNews.

Thoughts?

skidman

10-21-20, 11:05 AM

If big tech had wanted to protect Biden, they've obviously failed miserably. The whole idea of someone trying to hide information published in a paper away from somebody in the year 2020 is bush-league.

Unsurprisingly Twitter's and Facebook's decision to suppress that wish-wash published by the NY Post now has to become the scandal the GOP is desperately looking for, because the story of a man handing over a laptop for repair in a Delaware computer shop, not picking it up within 90 days and thus let a copy of the (red hot) data on the hard drive miraculously find a way into Rudy's office is so far-fetched and stupid, it hurts anyone's brain.

mapuc

10-21-20, 11:25 AM

^ In a Danish article it is said

Start article
50 ex-agents: Biden article resembles Russian smear campaign

Article about the Democratic presidential candidate's son resembles attempts at Russian electoral influence, according to experts.

A critical article about the Democratic presidential candidate, Joe Biden, his son Hunter and shady connections to a Ukrainian energy company is apparently the result of a Russian attempt to influence elections.
It estimates more than 50 former intelligence agents who have signed and published a letter with the conclusion Monday.
Several American media outlets mention this, including Politico.

The letter concludes, among other things, that the article "has all the classic signs of a Russian information operation".
The New York Post media last week published an article allegedly based on a series of emails mysteriously obtained from Hunter Biden's computer.
The article suggests that Joe Biden had used his previous position as US Vice President to help his son get a gold-rimmed seat on the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma.

No other media has been able to verify the content of the article. At the same time, both Twitter and Facebook have blocked the sharing of the article.
Several former CIA directors have since been involved in assessing the case.
They have a "strong suspicion that the Russian government has played a major role in the case", the letter states.
- And if we are right, then it is Russia that is trying to influence how Americans vote in this election. And we believe that the American people need to be aware of that, it further states.
The signatories to the letter include other ex-agents who have worked under the last four presidents - including Donald Trump.

They emphasize that they cannot say with certainty whether the emails in question are genuine.
End of article

So could it be Russia who once again are trying to affect the coming election in USA ?

Markus

August

10-21-20, 12:04 PM

Trump 2020!

Did Joe Biden take a bribe? The tech giants and legacy media have taken extreme and unprecedented measures to silence news accounts that probe this question. Beyond Twitter and Facebook, there are reports of TikTok censoring contributors attempting to share the New York Post reporting on Hunter Biden.
Contrary to the ridiculous attempts to discredit the New York Post reporting, the sourcing in that story is actually far superior to the journalistic standards followed in published attacks on Trump, which often rely on verbal accounts by anonymous sources. To bolster these attacks, other publications “corroborate” anonymous sources with still more anonymous sourcing—leading to the suspicion that it’s all just the same anonymous sources spreading rumors.
In contrast, the New York Post has produced an email trail from a trove of documents obtained from a now on-the-record store owner who received the laptop directly from Hunter Biden. Neither Joe nor Hunter has disputed the authenticity of any specific document. Indeed, as of Monday, the campaign called a “lid” on all public campaign activities until after the Thursday debate. With so few days left before the election, it’s unprecedented to hide a candidate from the public for four days. That’s a desperate measure to avoid answering questions.
Let’s walk through the evidence to consider whether Biden did, in fact, take a bribe.
Federal law defines “bribery of a public official” as when a “public official . . . receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value . . . in return for being influenced in the performance of any official act.” Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani claims to have a screenshot of a text message from Hunter revealing that he was expected to pay for family expenses and give the elder Biden half his salary. This text appears to be evidence that the Democrats’ standard-bearer took a piece of Hunter’s salary (in-kind and directly), which seems to meet the bribery statute’s terms “receive” or “accept” something “of value.”
But there’s more.
The Washington Post just published an article recounting an interview with a former advisor to Hunter. According to that account, the advisor warned Hunter Biden, “They’re using you for your name. They will exploit your name to your detriment and your father’s.” Hunter Biden responded, “My mom and dad don’t have any money . . . I have to make money for the family.” This corroborates the text message Giuliani publicized—that Hunter was expected to use his salary to pay family expenses.
Even if Joe Biden hadn’t accepted money directly, Hunter’s enrichment could qualify under the precedent set in the prosecution of Representative William J. Jefferson (D-La.), who famously stashed $90,000 in cash in a freezer.

Ukraine, Again

But did the money influence an official act by Biden? The New York Post reporting seems to show evidence of a quid pro quo, i.e. that Hunter received a lavish salary in return for using his father’s influence to stop a prosecution.
On May 12, 2014, Hunter’s Burisma handler Vadym Pozharskyi wrote Hunter Biden, the new member of the Board of Directors for Burisma holdings, an appeal to help stop prosecutors from moving against “N.Z.” Those initials (N.Z.) are believed to refer to Burisma Founder Mykola Ziochevksy.
According to Pozharskyi, “representatives of new authorities” were attempting to shake-down Burisma for cash. Burisma reportedly did pay prosecutors a bribe but then these authorities “proceeded with concrete actions.”
Then came the reason Hunter had anything to do with Burisma in the first place. Pozharskyi wrote, “We urgently need your advice on how you could use your inﬂuence to convey a message / signal, etc. to stop what we consider to be politically motivated actions bearing in mind the following…Negative inﬂuence on our companies may result in multy(sic)-level negative social, econimical (sic) and political consequnces (sic).”
The phrase, “our companies,” seems to imply that both Burisma and Hunter’s consulting company would be exposed to an investigation.

The New York Post produced an April 2015 email between Pozharskyi and Hunter Biden. It read, “Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent (sic) some time together.” Joe Biden’s campaign disputed this email, noting that the meeting did not appear on Biden’s official schedule. But, as Politico noted in 2012, “the published schedule offers only a narrow window into his activities,” and that “about one-third of the events depicted [in official White House photographs] were never on his public schedule.” Thus the absence of a schedule entry does not rule out that the meeting took place.
John Solomon places March 2016 as the date of Biden’s demand to fire Burisma’s prosecutor. The Washington Post wrote that Biden’s threat to withhold aid unless the prosecutor was fired actually happened during a 2015 visit. This appears to fulfill the request made by Burisma to Hunter in the 2014 email. There’s no dispute that Biden acted in his official capacity as the vice president when he threatened to withhold aid unless the prosecutor was fired.
To recap: The emails show Burisma asking Hunter to intercede to protect Burisma from prosecutors. Then the emails show Burisma thanking Hunter for setting up a meeting with Joe Biden. The text message and the Washington Post reporting show that Hunter may have shared his Burisma money with his father. And we know Biden threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine unless it fired the prosecutor tormenting Burisma. That looks like bribery.

Deflecting Attention

The media response to this has been to raise spurious questions about the “authenticity” of the evidence.
Twitter and Facebook censored links to the Post account on the grounds that the emails were “eligible for fact checking” or “hacked materials.” The censorship backfired, drawing bipartisan criticism. On Thursday, NBC published a completely ridiculous story (anonymously sourced) that the FBI was already investigating whether the entire chain of evidence might be a product of Russian disinformation.
Journalists have gamely cited Giuliani’s ties to a mysterious Russian intelligence figure and the fact that Steve Bannon (who also played a role in the publication of the emails) has been charged with a crime. But the FBI has been in possession of the Hunter Biden laptop since December. Only after the emails went public do anonymous sources suggest the FBI is suddenly investigating a “Russia” angle.
If Giuliani and Bannon were producing hearsay accounts from anonymous sources, their credibility would be highly relevant. But we don’t need to rely on the credibility of the messenger when the message comes in the form of original documents.
Perhaps the lamest criticism came from Andrew Bates, a Biden campaign spokesman who complained, “The New York Post never asked the Biden campaign about the critical elements of this story.” Yet NBC failed to report the Biden campaign’s explanation that Bates says the Post article lacked. And again, the Biden campaign has not actually identified any document it claims to be a forgery.
Contrary to the media’s attempts to cast doubt on the quality of the documents and the chain of custody of the evidence, it’s actually quite strong based upon publicly available documents.
On April 12, 2019, Hunter Biden signed a document labeled, “Quote #7469,” in which he agreed to pay $85 to repair a device he dropped off for service. John Paul Mac Isaac, the owner of The Mac Shop in Wilmington, Delaware, has been identified and has gone on the record to confirm the transaction. When Hunter failed to pay the bill, the owner exercised his prerogative under the “quote” to take legal ownership of the laptop. Thus, the Post has established a pretty solid explanation for the chain of custody.
But here’s the real kicker: Hunter’s attorney contacted the shop owner to inquire about retrieving the laptop. Contrary to the Twitter and Facebook allegations that the emails were “hacked,” the evidence to the contrary appears much stronger.

Suppression of Evidence?

More troubling is that the FBI could have produced this information to clear up the impeachment controversy earlier in the year.
Recall that the House report accompanying the articles of impeachment against President Trump claimed, “Any suggestion that the former Vice President called for Mr. Shokin’s removal in order to stop an investigation of Burisma, the Company whose board Hunter Biden sat on, is inconsistent with these facts.”
True to the last four years, the FBI again staked out a political position as part of the resistance. Only by the FBI suppressing the laptop could House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the architect of impeachment, make the claim of “no evidence” in his report.
According to the New York Post, in December 2019, at the same time that Democrats were preparing to forward articles of impeachment to the Senate, the U.S. District Court in Delaware issued a subpoena for Hunter Biden’s laptop. The Post provided a screenshot of the subpoena in its reporting.
In releasing these documents, the Post has followed a strategy to discourage the Biden campaign from issuing bad-faith or untruthful denials. It has dribbled out the original accusation giving the Biden campaign a chance to respond without fully knowing how well-documented the claims are. Then it has crushed early denials with additional documentary evidence. Fox News independently verified the authenticity of some of the Post emails by asking some of the recipients. The Biden campaign is completely flat-footed, unable to deny the authenticity of emails.
The entire impeachment theory hinged on the central question: Did the Biden family take a bribe to ensure the removal of a prosecutor? Bizarrely, the Democrats have always maintained that the question was not relevant. Schiff told CBS News that witnesses like Hunter Biden, former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, are “immaterial” and would constitute an “abuse” of the Senate trial.
Joe Biden, on a number of occasions, has floated the argument that the prosecutor should have been fired anyway. That’s irrelevant. Even if firing the prosecutor was in the best interest of the United States, a public official should never allow his son (or himself personally) to receive a payoff for an official act.
Remember, the Ukraine scandal is only one of many pay-for-play controversies surrounding the Bidens. There are very troubling questions about the Biden family’s relationship with Communist China. It’s not hard to figure out why the tech companies might find a bribe-accepting potential president to be palatable, even desirable. The tech companies are long-overdue for public action. But they have plenty of money to pay “consulting fees” to protect themselves. A lot of money is on the line.

About Adam Mill

Adam Mill is a pen name. He works in Kansas City, Missouri as an attorney specializing in labor and employment and public administration law. He graduated from the University of Kansas and has been admitted to practice in Kansas and Missouri. Mill has contributed to The Federalist, American Greatness, and The Daily Caller.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/20/did-joe-biden-take-a-bribe/

skidman

10-21-20, 12:15 PM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4cmox01rm5zcbl/Dead%20parrot.png?raw=1

u crank

10-21-20, 12:19 PM

If big tech had wanted to protect Biden, they've obviously failed miserably.

Yes they did. No one is claiming that these people are not spectacularly stupid. And only a fool would believe that they are not highly partisan.

Unsurprisingly Twitter's and Facebook's decision to suppress that wish-wash published by the NY Post now has to become the scandal the GOP desperately needs ...

The question is why did they try to suppress it?

..because the story of a man handing over a laptop for repair in a Delaware computer shop, not picking it up within 90 days and thus let a copy of the (red hot) data on the hard drive miraculously find a way into Rudy's office is so far-fetched and stupid, it hurts anyone's brain.

Drug addicts do stupid things all the time. Hunter Biden's drug problems are well documented.

Are you aware of some of the facts so far?

The FBI seized the laptop and a hard drive through a grand jury subpoena. The subpoena was later published by the New York Post. The bureau has declined to comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/feds-examining-if-alleged-hunter-biden-emails-are-linked-foreign-n1243620

The FBI is in possession of the laptop allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden which contained emails purportedly showing Joe Biden had involvement in his son’s foreign business dealings, according to a report.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-reportedly-in-possession-of-hunter-bidens-laptop/

Fox News also detailed FBI paperwork showing the bureau’s contact with John Paul Mac Isaac, the owner of the repair shop who reported the laptop’s contents to authorities. The documents show that Isaac received a subpoena to testify before U.S. District Court in Delaware on December 9, 2019, according to the report. The documents also include what appears to be serial numbers for a laptop and hard drive recovered by the FBI.

Now I don't want you to make the mistake that you think that I believe any of this is true because I prefer to wait and see what can be proven to be true. That being said it would certainly seem like there is a growing possibility that some if not all of it is true. We shall see.

skidman

10-21-20, 12:56 PM

Now I don't want you to make the mistake that you think that I believe any of this is true because I prefer to wait and see what can be proven to be true.

An honorable attitude, but unfortunately the exact opposite of what is happening. We see an incident scandalized that would never make it to the court outside of the election campaign. We are presented evidence that a third class lawyer would have rendered invalid within seconds. Truth does not matter here, it's a smear theatre. On December, 9th Mr. Isaac will testify and nobody will give a dam.

August

10-21-20, 01:12 PM

Bidens House of Cards:

If Joe Biden lies and the media ignore it, does he make a sound?
by Salena Zito, National Political Reporter
October 19, 2020 04:29 PM

PITTSBURGH — Shawn Steffee was at a political function in Indiana County, Pennsylvania, last Thursday evening when he started receiving an overwhelming number of calls and text messages. “My phone started going off like a slot machine. Initially, I had no idea what was going on,” he said from his home in Homer City.
Steffee, a Boilermakers Local 154 business agent and executive board member, soon found the flood of texts and calls were because Joe Biden lied about Steffee and his union supporting him during the ABC News town hall event last week. Host George Stephanopoulos noted Steffee by name in a question about the sincerity of Biden’s support of fracking. Steffee had told the New York Times that Biden’s sudden vocal support of fracking is inconsistent with his goal of ending the use of fossil fuels, and Stephanopoulos pressed him on Steffee’s statement.
"The boilermakers overwhelmingly endorse me, OK?" Biden snapped on Thursday, adding, "So, the Boilermakers Union has endorsed me because I sat down with them, went into great detail with leadership, exactly what I would do, No. 1."
Except they didn’t.
In truth, the Local 154 endorsed President Trump in a September message from business leader John Hughes. They appeared with him onstage at a massive rally shortly after. “Biden flat-out lied. I'm only speaking for my local union, which is the largest boilermaker union in the country,” said Steffee.https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/if-joe-biden-lies-and-the-media-ignores-it-does-he-make-a-sound

VipertheSniper

10-21-20, 01:27 PM

What's the timeline here btw?
Trump was aware of those e-mails before the attempted "quid pro quo", wasn't he?

I dug through the thread and it seems very likely. The whistleblower complaint about the infamous phone call was definitely in September 2019, when Giulianis lawyer got a hold of the e-mails.

I hate to admit it, but I think that phone call was a trap and the Dems got played like a fiddle.

u crank

10-21-20, 01:31 PM

We see an incident scandalized that would never make it to the court outside of the election campaign.

Well that is true but there is an election campaign, the laptop allegedly belongs to the son of a presidential candidate and it allegedly contains material that shows that candidate to be a corrupt politician. If true it seems pretty significant to me. Of course if you already believe it to be untrue then I can understand your position. But I think you would have to be omniscient to take that position.

We are presented evidence that a third class lawyer would have rendered invalid within seconds.

Is the fact that the FBI now has possession of this evidence something a third class lawyer could render invalid?

On December, 9th Mr. Isaac will testify and nobody will give a dam.

Depends on who wins the election. If Trump wins then it's history. If Biden wins, this and other testimony and evidence could very well lead to President Biden's impeachment.

Catfish

10-21-20, 01:50 PM

u crank

10-21-20, 02:11 PM

"Fox News passed up chance to run Hunter Biden email story amid credibility concerns, reports say"
The Biden non-story, that even Fox News passed up?
Reality and science sure have a left bias these days.

Initially yes but ....

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-holding-laptop-allegedly-containing-hunter-biden-business-emails-officials

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-documents-alleged-signature-fbi-paperwork

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ratcliffe-hunter-biden-laptop-emails-not-russian-disinformation-campaign

Catfish

10-21-20, 03:18 PM

So they finally decided to arse-lick once more. They will get the bill.

Torvald Von Mansee

10-21-20, 03:32 PM

Oh, so Rush Limbaugh's cancer is terminal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo

u crank

10-21-20, 03:39 PM

So they finally decided to arse-lick once more. They will get the bill.

Of course.

The big question that history will have a say in is ... will the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop be more or less credible than the Steele Dossier?

Catfish

10-21-20, 03:41 PM

^ "history" is written by the winner, wait and see.

u crank

10-21-20, 03:45 PM

^ "history" is written by the winner, wait and see.

It's hard for winners to change historical data. Just ask Hillary Clinton.

Catfish

10-21-20, 03:47 PM

Somehow this is exactly what i mean :03:

u crank

10-21-20, 03:54 PM

Somehow this is exactly what i mean :03:

I knew you did.:D

Skybird

10-22-20, 02:40 AM

Amy Coney Barrett's partisan nomination subverts the very intent of the Supreme Court

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/amy-coney-barrett-s-partisan-nomination-subverts-very-intent-supreme-ncna1244146

Hamilton — though he did believe that the Supreme Court should be able to rule on the constitutionality of federal law — thought the court would be the least powerful branch of government because it could not disturb the established political rights of all Americans.Given the powers it has accrued since Hamilton's day, no one could say this about a Supreme Court that has been stacked with political partisans. And, indeed, the main substantive arguments both for and against federal appeals Judge Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation focus on the extent to which her potential rulings would affect such "political rights" as Americans' access to the Affordable Care Act and the extent (or even existence) of their right to privacy.
(...)
None of this is an argument against Barrett as a judge or a justice; it is an argument against the deep partisanship in the process of confirming justices to the Supreme Court — which is disregarding the intent of the authors of our Constitution and the founders of our nation. After what happened in 2016 — and will likely happen again quite soon — no American can be faulted for seeing the Supreme Court as an explicitly partisan body, incapable of calling the "balls and strikes" as "impartial umpires," as Chief Justice John Roberts (https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/chief-justice-roberts-statement-nomination-process)articulated (https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/chief-justice-roberts-statement-nomination-process)at his own confirmation hearings (https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/chief-justice-roberts-statement-nomination-process).
Roberts has long admired Alexander Hamilton. But the view (which he shares with Hamilton) of a nonpartisan Supreme Court, if not already dead, will suffer another body blow with Barrett's confirmation.

MaDef

10-22-20, 06:29 AM

Amy Coney Barrett's partisan nomination subverts the very intent of the Supreme Court

FDR's "Judicial Procedures" Reform Bill of 1937 is a better example of trying to "Subvert" the Supreme Court.

Mr Quatro

10-22-20, 12:09 PM

It's hard for winners to change historical data. Just ask Hillary Clinton.

Speaking of Hillary ... isn't it odd that someone who won the 2016 presidential race (by popular vote) is now so far in the background that no one even hears from her anymore :hmmm:

Skybird

10-22-20, 03:19 PM

Odd it is that everybody was complaining for years about HC trying to push herself into the foreground, and now that she does not anymore, you are complaining again.

u crank

10-22-20, 03:31 PM

I am not complaining.

em2nought

10-22-20, 06:21 PM

Odd it is that everybody was complaining for years about HC trying to push herself into the foreground, and now that she does not anymore, you are complaining again.

She's kinda busy at the moment. :D

https://www.sott.net/image/s28/574975/full/article_6476_2.jpg

Jimbuna

10-23-20, 02:48 AM

:haha:

mapuc

10-25-20, 06:42 PM

When I get information about US-politics I get it mostly from three different places.

1. Here at subsim-general topics
2. In the Danish, Swedish and sometimes German news
3. Facebook.

I take mostly notice what people say or write in the first 2. Number 3 FB, is mostly lot of crab.

Some years ago, when the first crisis between USA and North Korea I got totally ridiculed after I posted a 4 word comment to another comment in an article.

The article was about the crisis between these two countries.
A user wrote something like
....It's more Trump I don't trust...fear he may press the red button.

then another user wrote a comment to his comment:
Yes he has the psychological profile to do just so.

Then I as second person wrote
- and nothing will happen.
I shouldn't have done this...written these words I got totally ridiculed.

I do not claim to be an expert...but i refuse to believe a single person, in this case a President can single handed order a full nuclear attack..

A few hours later i deleted my 4 words comment and some days later i remembered what Platapus once wrote in an answer to me.

The only power a President have is the right to say
"Make it so"

Back to discussing US-politics

Gerald

10-26-20, 11:23 PM

The US Senate has confirmed Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court in a victory for President Donald Trump a week before the general election.

Mr Trump's fellow Republicans voted 52-48 to approve the judge, overcoming the unified opposition of Democrats.

The 48-year-old took the oath of office at the White House alongside President Trump.

Her appointment seals for the foreseeable future a 6-3 conservative majority on the top US judicial body.

Only one Republican, Senator Susan Collins, who faces a tough re-election battle in Maine, voted against the president's nominee in Monday evening's vote.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54700307

An expected outcome. However, one might think that Susan Collins would not give in, but cast her vote for Amy, but she is a liberal, perhaps even a pull to the left.

August

10-27-20, 08:01 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54700307

An expected outcome. However, one might think that Susan Collins would not give in, but cast her vote for Amy, but she is a liberal, perhaps even a pull to the left.

Yes but not liberal enough and I don't think this will save her.

Gerald

10-27-20, 09:13 PM

Yes but not liberal enough and I don't think this will save her. I do not think so either, she is fighting in a strong headwind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KsadeKcePQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b57YwG8PNcA ,just some wiev from stream.

Skybird

10-30-20, 08:02 AM

Superb analysis of the political culture status in the US, and an outlook into the future of it. I know the author, i have three of this books on my shelves, and I know very well why I hold him in so high esteem.

Most likely no civil war, I agree. Most likely a lasting split, division in society, I agree as well. I am saying the same sinc elong, but Taghizadegan can line up up the arguuments much better and more elegantly than I can.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fuw.ch%2Farticle%2Fdas-gespenst-des-buergerkriegs%2F

u crank

10-30-20, 08:50 AM

This is disturbing. At one time not that long ago the Left wing investigative media were very much interested in uncovering corruption by politicians and wrong doing by government agencies. But times have changed. The left wing media is now biased and only cares about corruption if it involves Republicans and especially President Trump. They have lost their way.

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald quit his job this morning. In a bizarre, ironic, and disturbing commentary on trends in modern media, the celebrated reporter was forced to resign after writing a story criticizing both the Biden campaign and intelligence community — only to have it spiked by the editors of The Intercept, the news outlet he co-founded six years ago with the aim of preventing pretty much this exact situation.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/glenn-greenwald-on-his-resignation

“The irony,” Greenwald says, “is that a media outlet I co-founded, and which was built on my name and my accomplishments, with the purpose of guaranteeing editorial independence, is now censoring me in the most egregious way — about the leading presidential candidate, a week before the election.”

One has to ask a very obvious question .. if Joe Biden wins the election next week and the Democrats take over the Senate (both distinct possibilities) what will these people do? Is there any possible way that they would be interested in uncovering corruption in a Biden administration? I think the answer to that is more than obvious.

Skybird

10-30-20, 09:48 AM

I dont care for Biden and I think he will not do much, he is too old and senile. But his win prevents Trump, and that is the objective that must be acchieved. Trump is by far the biggest destruction factor in the American political landscape. The desaster he has spelled already now will outlive his term, and unfortunately probably forever. America will never recover from him and come back to former fame and status. The damage done is too big. Read the essay by Taghizadegan I oinked above.

I dont ask what Bidne will do. At best I ask what Harris will do.

Again, one does not vote for Biden for the sake of Biden. One votes Biden to prevent the much worse alternative. Its the same logic by which many people voted Trump last time - not because he was so wonderful to them, but because they wanted to prevent Clinton.

Personally, I think it all is damaged beyond repair. And China will likely launch hard action over Taiwan as long as Biden is in office.

skidman

10-30-20, 10:15 AM

If big tech (Twitter, Facebook) will protect candidate Biden from scrutiny what will they do for President Biden? And what will be the reciprocal that a Biden administration will do for big tech? This is far more important than President Trump doing his standard routine with Lesley Stahl and NBCNews.

The idea that Facebook and Twitter act in favor of Biden and that there is a secret connection between big tech and the Dems was always dubious for me. Now we learn, that at least Facebook might disadvantage the Democrat's campaign:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/29/biden-slams-facebook-ads-blocked-433645

Another big paycheck arriving (there is a wind from the East)?

u crank

10-30-20, 01:18 PM

The idea that Facebook and Twitter act in favor of Biden and that there is a secret connection between big tech and the Dems was always dubious for me.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/twitter/totals?id=D000067113

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/facebook-inc/totals?id=D000033563

Rockstar

10-30-20, 02:16 PM

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/twitter/totals?id=D000067113

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/facebook-inc/totals?id=D000033563

makes me wonder what intel source skidmark was using which caused him to be 'always' dubious.

Catfish

10-30-20, 02:41 PM

The links do not state Facebook or Twitter ?

skidman

10-30-20, 03:26 PM

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/twitter/totals?id=D000067113

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/facebook-inc/totals?id=D000033563

Any comment on FB blocking Dem's ads? Or is this another part of reality you just neglect because it does not fit in your perspective?

u crank

10-30-20, 03:31 PM

The links do not state Facebook or Twitter ?

I don't understand. Could you explain please.

August

10-30-20, 03:33 PM

Any comment on FB blocking Dem's ads? Or is this another part of reality you just neglect because it does not fit in your perspective?

FB has been blocking and demonitizing Conservatives for months. A last minute attempt to cover it up by blocking a few Dem ads is not nearly the same thing, or does that not fit your perspective?

u crank

10-30-20, 03:37 PM

Any comment on FB blocking Dem's ads? Or is this another part of reality you just neglect because it does not fit in your perspective?

No but I am not saying it is Russian Disinformation.:D

Any comment on the fact that Facebook and Twitter employees donate at the rate of 87 and 99 percent to Democrats?

skidman

10-30-20, 03:53 PM

FB has been blocking and demonitizing Conservatives for months.

A blantant lie.

https://mashable.com/article/anti-conservative-bias-facebook/?europe=true

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kl0azed6qu7152j/Bias.png?raw=1

skidman

10-30-20, 04:11 PM

Any comment on the fact that Facebook and Twitter employees donate at the rate of 87 and 99 percent to Democrats?

Irrelevant, we are talking companies influence on politics, not their employees'. What's next? Donations made by Twitter and FB shareholders?

u crank

10-30-20, 04:35 PM

Irrelevant, we are talking companies influence on politics, not their employees'. What's next? Donations made by Twitter and FB shareholders?

Well who do you think makes the decisions to lock accounts and take down Tweets and Facebook posts and pages? Do you think that Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg make those decisions? What do you think the groupthink would be like in a company where no one donates to Republican candidates or causes?

Buddahaid

10-30-20, 05:30 PM

Well, conservatives can start there own social media companies. Baldfaceliebook, Twits, etc., but you couldn't call it social media because that sounds too commie.

Just messin' with y'all... :Kaleun_Wink:

And I find it humorous that conservatives want to regulate businesses when they don't like them but hands off the others and don't mess with my offshore tax havens..

Heck, Trump should start his own Twitter type business, I mean, he must know more about that than anybody else, right?

Remember Dick Armey?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Armey

I recall he wanted to clamp down on internet smut by banning certain words and was surprised when his website was blocked because of his nickname.

Rockstar

10-30-20, 06:05 PM

And I find it humorous that conservatives want to regulate businesses when they don't like them but hands off the others and don't mess with my offshore tax havens..

Yet businesses have been moving to red states as they flee California in mass because of over regulation and tax hikes.

August

10-30-20, 06:16 PM

A blantant lie.

https://mashable.com/article/anti-conservative-bias-facebook/?europe=true

Mashable is your source? :har: Why don't you just go straight to the DNC for your news? There isn't any difference. Maybe you don't realize that being from away.

Anti-conservative bias by facebook, twitter, google etc is real and there are many many examples of it.

Buddahaid

10-30-20, 06:18 PM

Wasn't Trump going to do something about offshoring? You know, taking advantage of manufacturing in the states but not basing your business there to avoid paying tax to the same.

August

10-30-20, 06:37 PM

Wasn't Trump going to do something about offshoring? You know, taking advantage of manufacturing in the states but not basing your business there to avoid paying tax to the same.

Some things got in the way. Second term. Bigly.

Rockstar

10-30-20, 07:26 PM

Wasn't Trump going to do something about offshoring? You know, taking advantage of manufacturing in the states but not basing your business there to avoid paying tax to the same.

I think Obama and Trump have attempted to slow or stop offshoring. However its the tax incentives and loop holes created by legislation and acts of congress that lure corporations to move offshore. Apparently you dont mind offshoring because the people you elected to represent you in Washington don't either and have made it easy for corporations to do it. Trump or for that matter ANY president is just one show in a three ring circus that is required to stop offshoring from happening. Remember we dont live in a dictatorship so there's nobody to blame but ourselves.

Still, I was wondering what your thoughts are on how California will handle the exodus of business from the state?

Rockstar

10-30-20, 08:12 PM

Irrelevant, we are talking companies influence on politics, not their employees'. What's next? Donations made by Twitter and FB shareholders?

Jeebus are you ever naive.

"I was a design ethicist at Google, where I studied how do you ethically steer people's thoughts? Because what we don't talk about is how the handful of people working at a handful of technology companies through their choices will steer what a billion people are thinking today." - Tristan Harris

skidman

10-31-20, 04:27 AM

Manhattan Now Has The “Wall Of Lies” That Lists 20,000+ Of President Trump’s Lies:

https://www.boredpanda.com/wall-of-lies-donald-trump-radio-free-brooklyn/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic (Manhattan Now Has The “Wall Of Lies” That Lists 20,000+ Of President Trump’s Lies)

Gerald

10-31-20, 04:25 PM

https://i.imgur.com/PiklrWr.jpg

Skybird

10-31-20, 04:40 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

Its primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies; disrupting the meetings of opposing parties;