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Yes, it is the one titled "Counter BS with facts (2018 edition)".
Though, I wouldn't say I'm the only one playing it, but the playerbase has seen a definite decline during the past year or so which is a shame. :nope:
Yeah ok Dowly :)
Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-told-trumps-attorneys-the-president-remains-under-investigation-but-is-not-currently-a-criminal-target/2018/04/03/d7832cf0-36c1-11e8-acd5-35eac230e514_story.html?utm_term=.d9a852560096)
Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III informed President Trump’s attorneys last month that he is continuing to investigate the president but does not consider him a criminal target at this point, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
In private negotiations in early March about a possible presidential interview, Mueller described Trump as a subject of his investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges.
The special counsel also told Trump’s lawyers that he is preparing a report about the president’s actions while in office and potential obstruction of justice, according to two people with knowledge of the conversations.
If true, this would mean Mueller's investigation on OoJ coming to an end soon.
Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel’s office, declined to comment.This guy's got the easiest and/or most boring job. :haha:
Bilge_Rat
04-04-18, 03:09 PM
yes, latest report says Mueller is preparing a report to Congress and feels bound by the DOJ 1973 legal opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted, so the most the anti-Trumpers can hope for at this point, is that Mueller gives them ammo they can use against Trump in 2020.
rabid commentators on CNN, MSNBC are still hoping that somehow Trump lies under oath and somehow he gets indicted for perjury, but that is really grasping at straws at this point.
The Mueller report may contain a recommandation that Trump be impeached (who knows?), but unless the report contains real evidence of criminal conduct, the GOP will ignore it.
so what strong democratic candidate will run against Trump in 2020? Kamala Harris? :har:
I think we'll see a big Democratic field for the next potus election and among them will be:
Joseph Biden
Elizabeth Warren
Deval Patrick
Terry McAuliffe
Kirsten Gillibrand
Bernie Sanders
The Mueller report may contain a recommandation that Trump be impeached (who knows?), but unless the report contains real evidence of criminal conduct, the GOP will ignore it.
Well, yes, of course the report needs to present evidence, if it makes any allegations. That's the whole point of having an investigation, isn't it? :O:
Mr Quatro
04-06-18, 01:28 PM
The Mueller report may contain a recommandation that Trump be impeached (who knows?), but unless the report contains real evidence of criminal conduct, the GOP will ignore it.
Depending on the out cry of this report ... it could make Trump weaker in the mid-term elections. In fact I don't think the GOP will let Trump run in 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2018
2018 United States elections
Mid-term elections
Election day November 6
Senate elections
Seats contested 33 seats of Class I
House elections
Seats contested All 435 voting seats (+ 5 of 6 non-voting seats)
The 2018 United States elections will mostly be held on Tuesday, November 6, 2018.
These midterm elections will take place in the middle of Republican President Donald Trump's term.
All 435 seats in the United States House of Representatives and 34 of the 100 seats in the United States Senate will be contested.
39 state and territorial governorship's and numerous other state and local elections will also be contested.
Depending on the out cry of this report ... it could make
Trump weaker in the mid-term elections. In fact I don't think the GOP will let Trump run in 2020.
I agree, Trump has damaged the GOP way too much by now for them to go for re-election.
Skybird
04-06-18, 02:51 PM
Remember the many reasonable expectations befor last election of why the Donald would not be nominatedf. Would not be allowed. Would retire him self. Would not become elected president. Would not be voted for.
If one thing is to be learned form all this, then it is that the last standards of reasonability and sanity have fallen and now everything, no matter how oscure or crazy, is possible.
Platapus
04-07-18, 09:41 AM
From CBS
President Trump described Scott Pruitt, his embattled Environmental Protection Agency chief, as a "good man" on Thursday while declining to comment on recent press reports about the administrator's behavior.
"I think he's done a fantastic job," Mr. Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One during his trip back from West Virginia. "I think he's done an incredible job. He's been very courageous. It hasn't been easy, but I think he's done a fantastic job."
Based on Trump's past firings, I would imagine that Pruitt is already calling a Realtor. The only question will Trump have the guts to fire him face to face or will he, once again, hide behind tweets.
Onkel Neal
04-07-18, 10:04 AM
Depending on the out cry of this report ... it could make Trump weaker in the mid-term elections. In fact I don't think the GOP will let Trump run in 2020.
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:k_confused::k_confused: We didn't let him run in 2016 but he did it anyway, and crushed everyone.:Kaleun_Crying:
Based on Trump's past firings, I would imagine that Pruitt is already calling a Realtor. The only question will Trump have the guts to fire him face to face or will he, once again, hide behind tweets.
I would be rather surprised if Trump didn't fire him. Pruitt is making not only himself, but also Trump look bad, and his doing it on TV (Fox news of all places). Trump doesn't like people who make him look bad nor people who make themselves look bad and work for him.
At this time, he is of course praising Pruitt, but that means nothing.
Do you believe that the Fake News Media is pushing hard on a story that I am going to replace A.G. Jeff Sessions with EPA Chief Scott Pruitt, who is doing a great job but is TOTALLY under siege? Do people really believe this stuff? So much of the media is dishonest and corrupt! (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982268230306709509)
absolutely and an egomaniac, a blowhard and clearly unqualified for the job, but what does it say about American Democracy that the only choice in November 2016 was between Trump and Clinton and 63 million voters thought Trump was the better candidate. :ping:
Despite all the fire and fury from the left over Trump, his administration has been very typically conservative, most of the day to day policies have been very much in line with what previous republican administrations have done.
I would disagree here. A counter example: Reagan (Administration). You just need to read 'The Reagan Diaries'....history repeats itself in some ways and for instance he had immigration issues with Haiti and Cuba. But he always considered those people too and reflected that the US for instance should help Haiti in the economics sector so that more people would find a job there, thus would not try to come to the US illegaly. For him those people were not just nasty 'numbers'.
Reagan and so his administration cared about people, also if they were not US Citizen. Reagan was a great negotiator (domestic and international) and made meanigful compromises; also he and his politics were self-reflecting and not in super-love with himself all the time.
He was proud of his cabinet/team and made (from a conservative standpoint) reasonable and long-term politics.
I do not comment on Trump here....I guess it is simply not necessary.
Mr Quatro
04-07-18, 12:20 PM
:k_confused::k_confused: We didn't let him run in 2016 but he did it anyway, and crushed everyone.:Kaleun_Crying:
Mrs Santa Claus aka Hillary Clinton helped him win that one :yep:
Mike Pence will accept the GOP nomination to run for POTUS and win .... too many hiddy things in Trumps closet :yep:
Catfish
04-07-18, 12:52 PM
Mrs Santa Claus aka Hillary Clinton helped him win that one :yep: [..]
I still do not understand that one.
Ok i get it a lot of people do not like her. Arrogant, striving for power, lying maybe. Corrupt. Incompetent. Unsympathetical alright.
Good that Trump is so different.
I still do not understand that one.
Ok i get it a lot of people do not like her. Arrogant, striving for power, lying maybe. Corrupt. Incompetent. Unsympathetical alright.
Good that Trump is so different.
But her emails...
I still do not understand that one.
Ok i get it a lot of people do not like her. Arrogant, striving for power, lying maybe. Corrupt. Incompetent. Unsympathetical alright.
Good that Trump is so different.
One major difference between the two are their places within the hierarchy of the hated political elite. She was the consummate insider whereas Trump is most definitely not.
So which do you prefer? Self serving arrogant corruption that can wield the enormous power of government most efficiently or the one that will spend all its time at odds with it?
To me the choice is clear. As I have said many times Trumps big appeal is that he pisses off all the right people. As long as he continues to frustrate their plans he'll keep my support.
So, Trump said on Thursday that he wasn't aware of Michael Cohen paying Stormy Daniels $130k just prior to the elections.
Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti explains why it makes no sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofhHRjCwlsw
In related news, Avenatti tweeted this:
Expect a major announcement in the coming days regarding our efforts to identify the thug who threatened Ms. Clifford in Las Vegas in 2011 to “leave Trump alone” while making reference to her little girl. You can run but you can’t hide. (https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/982599066260353025)
Building up to be a real mess. :doh:
Onkel Neal
04-07-18, 07:37 PM
I still do not understand that one.
Ok i get it a lot of people do not like her. Arrogant, striving for power, lying maybe. Corrupt. Incompetent. Unsympathetical alright.
Good that Trump is so different.
Lying maybe? Does rigging her nomination count ? The DNC was so corrupt, it's amazing. And if the media wasn't so obviously biased, we would still be hearing about it.
So yeah, she was a horrible candidate, and I would rather have Trump, as classless and embarrassing as he is. At least he is unable to hide his nature.
Rockstar
04-07-18, 09:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs
Lying maybe? Does rigging her nomination count ? The DNC was so corrupt, it's amazing. And if the media wasn't so obviously biased, we would still be hearing about it.
I believe that if she had won we'd never have heard of any of it. We were never supposed to but Trumps win prevented them from covering their tracks.
I'm eagerly awaiting the DOJ AG report as well as what Huber finds out and I expect to see some indictments come out of it.
Delgard
04-08-18, 05:15 PM
I did not see a Syria thread, but it is important. Trump just slammed Obama about a Red Line in the sand and Trump has once before struck.
Is it something to be anticipated?
Just to throw that out there. If a Mod feels to create a new thread, that is fine.
An American Soldier and A British Soldier were recently killed.
Seems it is a Red Line question...
Thanks
Bilge_Rat
04-09-18, 08:17 AM
Building up to be a real mess. :doh:
how exactly? so Trump had sex with a porn star/prostitute 12 years ago who is obviously only interested in squeezing as much money as she can out of this. How is that any way relevant. Polls show his supporters do not care. :Kaleun_Yawn:
The rabid left wing media is trying to portray the 130k payment as a big deal. Is it an illegal campaign contribution? maybe, the legal arguments both ways are very gray.
but even if worst case scenario, it is ruled an illegal campaign contribution, the only sanction is a fine, so absolutely no effect on Trump.
Bilge_Rat
04-09-18, 08:24 AM
In fact I don't think the GOP will let Trump run in 2020.
you spend way too much time watching CNN.
69% of republicans and 79% of 2016 Trump voters want him to run again in 2020 and his job approval rating among Republicans is currently at 82%. It is certain he is running again in 2020.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/maf7idof71/econTabReport.pdf
see question 62 and 74.
Mr Quatro
04-09-18, 09:24 AM
you spend way too much time watching CNN.
69% of republicans and 79% of 2016 Trump voters want him to run again in 2020 and his job approval rating among Republicans is currently at 82%. It is certain he is running again in 2020.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/maf7idof71/econTabReport.pdf
see question 62 and 74.
I disagree due to the other shoe has not dropped to the floor yet ... :o
Paul Ryan speaker of the house is the next causality to quit Trumps team work. I predict General Kelly will quit the WH team to run for POTUS in 2020.
The large field of GOP wannabe POTUS will have their stones ready you can bet on that ... Can he defend himself with funny tweets? I don't think so ...
It will be more up to the GOP that he runs against a as yet unnamed democrat candidate ... this circus will be bigger than the last one I guarantee you that :yep:
Paul Ryan speaker of the house is the next causality to quit Trumps team work.
Speaker of the House is not a part of the Administration.
Mr Quatro
04-09-18, 05:48 PM
Speaker of the House is not a part of the Administration.
True, but like Speaker Sam Rayburn for President Johnson ... Ryan was suppose to be the hammer :yep:
em2nought
04-09-18, 05:58 PM
True, but like Speaker Sam Rayburn for President Johnson ... Ryan was suppose to be the hammer :yep:
With a hammer like that it will take a lifetime :D
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warehouse-13-artifact-database/images/4/49/Dufresne.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20160216031745
how exactly?
Well..
Trump attorney Cohen is being investigated for possible bank fraud, campaign finance violations (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-seizes-records-related-to-stormy-daniels-in-raid-of-trump-attorney-michael-cohens-office/2018/04/09/e3e43cf4-3c30-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?utm_term=.37320ef66017)
Michael Cohen, the longtime attorney of President Trump, is under federal investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations, according to three people with knowledge of the case.
FBI agents on Monday raided Cohen’s Manhattan office, home and hotel room as part of the investigation, seizing records about Cohen’s clients and personal finances. Among the records taken were those related to a 2016 payment Cohen made to adult-film star Stormy Daniels, who claims to have had a sexual encounter with Trump, according to a fourth person familiar with the investigation.
Catfish
04-10-18, 03:48 AM
Why it is all a conspiracy, the paranoid style:
https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/
"If, after our historically discontinuous examples of the paranoid style, we now take the long jump to the contemporary right wing, we find some rather important differences from the nineteenth-century movements. The spokesmen of those earlier movements felt that they stood for causes and personal types that were still in possession of their country—that they were fending off threats to a still established way of life. But the modern right wing, as Daniel Bell has put it, feels dispossessed: America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high."
It is not about right or left wing, it seems more to be some kind of religious folly.
If you get past the first few sentences it gets interesting, and explains a lot; also today.
The whole text is from november 1964..
u crank
04-10-18, 06:43 AM
Jimmy writes a book.
Former FBI director James Comey is about to release a book, his autobiography, A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership. Some of Comey's former associates don't think it's a great idea.
James Gagliano 25 year veteran of the FBI ....
“This current effort to meet the president in the public square, at his own game of slinging mud and punching and contributing smugness to the debate, it’s a bad look for him,” Gagliano says. “I think it’s going to diminish the FBI, and I think it’s going to diminish whatever’s left of Comey’s reputation.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/james-comey-book-tour-fbi-agents-dismayed-celebrity/
In separate interviews, German, Gagliano, and Savage all express similar concerns that Comey may be inadvertently giving Trump’s legal team some opportunities to discredit him as a witness, or perhaps even setting a perjury trap for himself, with his book and upcoming tour.
Gagliano says he wonders why no one around Comey could convince him to wait until Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation was complete before unveiling the book and agreeing to an extensive media tour.
German says that that the upcoming tour would infuriate anyone in Mueller’s position.
Trump called Comey a "showboat" and "grandstander" shortly after he fired him. It's looking like he may have got that right.
“[Comey] held the moral high ground,” Gagliano says. “He held it firmly, until he leaked to the New York Times through a surrogate. Then he lost a sizable piece of it. And when he joined the Twitter battle with Donald Trump, he ceded the sliver that was left. Now this self-serving, narcissistic, $850 [per ticket] in some venues, ‘Come hear me talk about the president during the ongoing special prosecutor probe’ — what are you thinking?”
Catfish
04-10-18, 06:49 AM
Comey a "showboat" and a "grandstander" what does Trump think he himself is?
:haha:
Twitter battle, my donkey.
u crank
04-10-18, 07:11 AM
Comey a "showboat" and a "grandstander" what does Trump think he himself is?
:haha:
We knew that about Trump for say ... 30 years. No surprise. Comey was the top law enforcement officer in the USA. Appointed by a President. Can we expect a little more? Or should he descend to Trump's level? :hmmm:
If Comey had not responded in any way and let the current investigations play out, he could have possibly been vindicated. Not anymore. The more Comey talks, the more it sounds like a defense argument. About what?:o
Trump called Comey a "showboat" and "grandstander" shortly after he fired him. It's looking like he may have got that right.
Well, except for the past year that Comey has been largerly out of public.
The more Comey talks, the more it sounds like a defense argument. About what?:oYou tell me.
Catfish
04-10-18, 07:29 AM
I guess there comes a time in some man's life, especially when you had a special job of some responsibility, where you do not want to take boasting and insults from some incompetent orange clown sudenly popping up before your nose.
u crank
04-10-18, 07:39 AM
Well, except for the past year that Comey has been largerly out of public.
I guess there comes a time in some man's life, especially when you had a special job of some responsibility, where you do not want to take boasting and insults from some incompetent orange clown sudenly popping up before your nose.
I'm not defending Trump. Don't make it about Trump. I did my best not to make it about Trump. Did either of you read the article by Geraghty? Long time former FBI agents with good reputations are saying Comey is making a mistake. What do you think of that?
You tell me.
I asked first. :D
Did either of you read the article by Geraghty?I didn't, no.
Mr Quatro
04-10-18, 11:01 AM
If Comey had not responded in any way and let the current investigations play out, he could have possibly been vindicated. Not anymore. The more Comey talks, the more it sounds like a defense argument. About what?:o
For the average nobody important person like me, Comey looked innocent, so if his book proves different it could hurt the image of the FBI even more.
Unless he's thinking about his money a book released before Mueller's investigation is released to the public is his motivation.
I think that could be his reason more than just getting even for Trumps firing him.
Jimbuna
04-11-18, 06:31 AM
Trump tells Russia to 'get ready' for Syria missiles, in response to alleged chemical attack.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43727829
Skybird
04-11-18, 06:46 AM
Hi Jim! :D
Jimbuna
04-11-18, 07:48 AM
Hi Jim! :D
Okay, I'll take the bait. What's with the huge grin? :)
EDIT: Ha, beat you by nine minutes :yeah:
Catfish
04-11-18, 07:54 AM
^ Skybird grinning.. this frightens me :O:
He probably means his thread here which was first: http://subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=237207
and maybe could be merged with this US one.
On the other hand a missile strike has some.. influence on all nations, not only the US :hmmm:
Schroeder
04-11-18, 07:57 AM
You know what I find funny about those chemical attacks? "Assad" is always attacking with gas when he has already won and seems to target civilians only. The number of fatalities in those attacks is also no where near what they were when Saddam gassed the Kurds back then.... I find it funny that everyone is instantly blaming Assad even though he has nothing to win but everything to lose by doing that while his enemies have plenty to gain and only lose a handful of civilians. Just saying.
Catfish
04-11-18, 08:02 AM
^ True.
So.. who has the most advantage, of blaming Assad?
I get a bit confused, rebels fighting each other, and against the IS, the US and Russia helping some certain rebel groups (but not all), Turkey attacking Kurds on syrian soil calling them rebels while financing the IS as long as it fights the Kurds and buying oil from them, the IS providing Erdoghan's own oil companies with crude, Iraq acting on syrian ground against the IS and Iran, and Iran having its own agenda. Not to forget Israel trying to destroy every nerve gas plant.
All producing a lot of fog and desinformation.
And the media are happy to report what.. who tells them? :hmmm:
You know what I find funny about those chemical attacks? "Assad" is always attacking with gas when he has already won and seems to target civilians only. The number of fatalities in those attacks is also no where near what they were when Saddam gassed the Kurds back then.... I find it funny that everyone is instantly blaming Assad even though he has nothing to win but everything to lose by doing that while his enemies have plenty to gain and only lose a handful of civilians. Just saying.
I agree 100%
Another thing is that Russia/Assad are always blamed instantly, yet a week later everyone are still talking about how it is important to get to the area to examine what gas was used and who used it.
Catfish
04-11-18, 08:38 AM
I agree 100%
Another thing is that Russia/Assad are always blamed instantly, yet a week later everyone are still talking about how it is important to get to the area to examine what gas was used and who used it.
but.. but.. Weapons of mass destruction!
edit: Weapons of mass distraction! (https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=deutsch&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2 F2014%2F06%2Fdick-cheney.jpg&sp=2f89e35f1482a79dac3157919124cae4)
Fixed that for me (and you :03:)
Schroeder
04-11-18, 09:56 AM
I agree 100%
Another thing is that Russia/Assad are always blamed instantly, yet a week later everyone are still talking about how it is important to get to the area to examine what gas was used and who used it.
Same with the whole Skripal mess. We've already pointed fingers at Moscow and expelled dozens of diplomats without solid prove being displayed. Makes me wonder if there is an agenda... I just hope we are still the "good guys" because I'm not so sure anymore.:hmmm:
Skybird
04-11-18, 10:18 AM
Okay, I'll take the bait. What's with the huge grin? :)
EDIT: Ha, beat you by nine minutes :yeah:
When I started typing the other one, you still were not here. :O:
Skybird
04-11-18, 10:27 AM
Same with the whole Skripal mess. We've already pointed fingers at Moscow and expelled dozens of diplomats without solid prove being displayed. Makes me wonder if there is an agenda... I just hope we are still the "good guys" because I'm not so sure anymore.:hmmm:Nobody is the good guy anymore, not them, not us. We all are cynics when it comes to the lives and interests of others - as long as we must not pay their toll.
The real question is whether we really are that certain about our interests and why we do this and do not do that. I think in this regard Russia and Assad trump us clearly, even if we do not like their interests. But it is at least crystal clear for themselves what their interests are. In case of Europe and Washington I am not convinced of that. We just appeal to them that they should not have these but should instead have our interests. Which is a hopeless strategy in diplomacy with a strong. The way the Americans handle the Kurdish YPG before and after Erdoghan's attack also does not help to raise trust into the West in the resisting sides to Assad.
I stick to what I say since long time. We should stay out of Syrian game playing, and focus instead on containing - and getting rid of in NATO - Turkey. Also, assisting Israel (where they want that).
Catfish
04-11-18, 01:58 PM
With Syriah, Russia will get one or more bases from his good friend Assad, and then has direct access to the Mediterranean without needing the Bosporus with Nato partner Turkey controlling it.
edit: i might as well add that if you join a war, you should be willing to win it. A strike here and a strike there is not what makes you 'win'.
Any strategy at all would already be a a good idea, because the west obviously has none.
Rockstar
04-11-18, 05:18 PM
I just hope we are still the "good guys" because I'm not so sure anymore.:hmmm:
I don't think there are any good guys and bad guys when it comes to NATO and Russian in the middle east. :(
FYI, from the Moon of Alabama blog
Syria - Timelines Of 'Gas Attacks' Follow A Similar Scheme (Update II)
An alleged new 'chemical incident' in Syria reminds of a similar series of events we saw last year. We are told to believe that each time the U.S. pulls back from the war on Syria the Syrian government is responding with a 'chemical attack' that pulls the U.S. back in.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/timelines-of-gas-attacks-in-syria-follow-a-similar-scheme.html
Platapus
04-12-18, 02:32 PM
https://i.redd.it/ef8c36aqdvq01.jpg
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It seems that some people spend a lot of time being afraid about things Trump hasn't done.
Buddahaid
04-12-18, 07:21 PM
It seems that some people spend a lot of time being afraid about things Trump hasn't done.
Shouldn't we all be? C'mon, the guy seems to always start by going off half cocked and I find it far from soothing to have a demonstratibly loose canon for a president.
Aktungbby
04-12-18, 07:43 PM
Shouldn't we all be? C'mon, the guy seems to always start by going off half cocked... WELL:timeout:....STORMY DANIELS DIDN'T MENTION ANTHING ABOUT THAT!:O:
Shouldn't we all be? C'mon, the guy seems to always start by going off half cocked and I find it far from soothing to have a demonstratibly loose canon for a president.
Maybe it just seems that way because the liberal media keeps making wild accusations against him. :hmmm:
Catfish
04-13-18, 01:34 AM
Yes, maybe the "liberal media" and "leftists" and "snowflakes" are responsible for Trump.
Then they better be prepared next time to not let such things happen, and fight instantly and decisive instead of talking and taking "discussions" with certain people serious :03:
Highbury
04-13-18, 02:19 AM
Maybe it just seems that way because the liberal media keeps making wild accusations against him. :hmmm:
Even without watching the "liberal media" and only watching his speeches, interviews and reading his tweets it still very much seems that way.
Even without watching the "liberal media" and only watching his speeches, interviews and reading his tweets it still very much seems that way.
Exactly.
Onkel Neal
04-13-18, 05:41 AM
Yes, maybe the "liberal media" and "leftists" and "snowflakes" are responsible for Trump.
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Oh, they are. Without them, I doubt Trump would have lasted through the first primary. I see Trump as a reaction to the ever-softening of US culture by liberals. It's probably a lost cause, though.
James Comey is a proven LEAKER & LIAR. Virtually everyone in Washington thought he should be fired for the terrible job he did-until he was, in fact, fired. He leaked CLASSIFIED information, for which he should be prosecuted. He lied to Congress under OATH. He is a weak and.....
....untruthful slime ball who was, as time has proven, a terrible Director of the FBI. His handling of the Crooked Hillary Clinton case, and the events surrounding it, will go down as one of the worst “botch jobs” of history. It was my great honor to fire James Comey!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984763579210633216
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984767560494313472
Someone give him a Snickers.
Platapus
04-13-18, 12:40 PM
And this is how the President of the United States communicates.
It is like recess at the elementary school.
Catfish
04-13-18, 03:32 PM
»Blitztweet«
Trump have, what I understand just tweeted about DOJ
Didn't get all of it only the words LIAR LIAR LIAR
What was all that about ?
Markus
Buddahaid
04-13-18, 04:11 PM
https://playingintheworldgame.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/three_way_tantrum.jpg
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984763579210633216
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984767560494313472
Someone give him a Snickers.
Why, for being right?
Comey did all those things and really should be prosecuted, and the Democrats were the ones howling for him to be fired the loudest right up until The Donald actually did it of course, then they became full of fake outrage.
Mr Quatro
04-13-18, 04:53 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-called-michael-cohen-as-their-lawyers-went-to-court-over-seized-trump-documents/ar-AAvQo7s
The seized records also include communications between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen, who joined Mr. Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, in 2006, which would most likely require a special team of agents to review because conversations between lawyers and clients are protected from scrutiny in most instances.
Client/attorney information is protected if no crime has been committed ...
Communications between lawyers and their clients are normally off limits to prosecutors but there are exceptions, including when the materials are considered part of an ongoing crime.
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/383166-comeys-last-stand-for-the-deep-state
Darn straight.
Whether you are a Democrat who can’t stand Trump, a Hillary Clinton supporter who feels robbed by Comey, or a Trump supporter, any use of wiretapping and vast prosecutorial machinery against our political campaigns and sitting presidents always has to be viewed skeptically and should meet the highest standards of conduct and impartiality. The post-election actions of these former officials makes suspect their actions as officials.
It was, after all, Comey who went to the president during the transition seeking a one-on-one meeting to tell him about the inflammatory dossier, but who critically omitted telling the president that the dossier was a product of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. These facts, he knew, if revealed at that moment in January, would have ended further inquiry. This was no effort to inform the president and douse the fires of unverified and salacious information, but one to inflame the president and spread the stories everywhere.
Mr Quatro
04-15-18, 02:24 PM
I think this is bigger than it looks ... for one taping phone conversations without consent is considered a crime in the state of New York. Therefore if a crime has been committed then the tapes are off limits to stop data from being reviewed.
Bottom line will Attorney to the President Donald Trump remain loyal? We shall see :o
https://www.pressherald.com/2018/04/12/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-may-have-kept-tapes/
President Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen sometimes taped conversations with associates,
according to three people familiar with his practice, and allies of the president are worried that the recordings
were seized by federal investigators in a raid of Cohen’s office and residences this week.
Rockstar
04-15-18, 04:10 PM
Trump have, what I understand just tweeted about DOJ
Didn't get all of it only the words LIAR LIAR LIAR
What was all that about ?
Markus
Theatrics
Comey did all those things and really should be prosecuted, and the Democrats were the ones howling for him to be fired the loudest right up until The Donald actually did it of course, then they became full of fake outrage.
What classified information did Comey leak? What did he lie about under oath?
Trump have, what I understand just tweeted about DOJ
Didn't get all of it only the words LIAR LIAR LIAR
What was all that about ?
Markus
I believe you are referring to the following tweet by Trump:
DOJ just issued the McCabe report - which is a total disaster. He LIED! LIED! LIED! McCabe was totally controlled by Comey - McCabe is Comey!! No collusion, all made up by this den of thieves and lowlifes!https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984877999718895616
He is referring to the report on McCabe released by IG Horowitz:
https://static01.nyt.com/files/2018/us/politics/20180413a-doj-oig-mccabe-report.pdf
Slyguy3129
04-17-18, 10:49 PM
The only thing I'm worried about is, are we going to have enough body bags for liberals when they mass commit suicide when not only does nothing come of this "investigation", but when Trump gets elected again in 2020.
The idea that the Left actually thinks we care about Sloppy Daniels, is hilarious. So Trump bonked him a porn star in 2006. Last I checked, he wasn't President then, so I don't care. On the other hand, they seem to be ignoring the fact that Clinton did sleep around while he was President and lied about it. Though I don't really blame him, I see what he is married to. I just would have rather him not lied about it.
I'd also rather Trump not use Twitter. But hey, since the media isn't going to do their jobs, Twitter allows him to completely bypass those idiots, and speak directly to his voters. Plus it royally pisses of the Left who views Social Engineering sites as their little safe space. Though, it does bring great joy to my soul knowing that 300 years from now young Americans will be studying history, and it will cover Trump's tweets as he was President. Not only that, they will go in the Presidential Archive! Where they will live forever. I love that more than the air I breath.
The left has lost it's mind so much, that they have begun to eat themselves. "When the chips are down, these "civilized" people, will eat each other." The Joker could not have more perfectly described the left with that line from "The Dark Knight".
So I figured I'd take the time to write out a few helpful tips for those sad Democrats that might read this thread.
How to win an election in the United States of America: 101
1: Considering the US is a majority white country, maybe don't blame white people for every single little thing you can think of.
2: Maybe don't suggest white people are all racist.
3: Maybe don't suggest that white people have built the country so that only white people can succeed.
4: Maybe don't suggest the problems in the United States are because there are too many white people, and we need fewer of them.
5: To boil down the first four points to one simple one: Don't piss off the white people. There is alot of them, and they will group together and kick your teeth in and smile while they do it.
6: Don't be racist.
7: Understand we are a Republic and not a Democracy, and educate yourselves on the differences.
8: We have an Electoral College System to prevent mob rule. Educate yourself on why mob rule is bad, and question why you would ever want to get rid of it unless you intend to suppress the rights of the minority through the power of the majority, which will always happen in mob rule.
9: Once you answer that question, get rid of whatever idea it was that was causing you to want to get rid of the Electoral College. Cause it makes you look really stupid wanting to get rid of it.
10: Maybe actually Campaign during the election. Especially in the swing states.
11: Don't run a campaign based on the fact that you have a vagina, and therefore it is now your turn to lead, because vagina.
12: Don't be sexist.
13: Don't select a candidate that half of your own party hates more than the other party hates them.
14: Don't rig your internal Candidate selection process to screw over someone, just because they don't have a vagina.
15: Don't rig the election process.
16: Don't get caught rigging the election process.
17: Don't rig your internal Candidate selection process to select a Candidate that is being investigated by the FBI for possibly giving up state secrets because they don't understand how email works.
18: Don't rig your internal Candidate selection process to select a Candidate whose "Charity" foundation baring their name, is being investigated by the FBI.
19: Don't tell yourself said Candidate has a 95% chance of winning.
20: Don't be Communist.
21: Don't be Socialist.
22: Don't advocate for policies from the two previous mentioned ideologies.
23: Don't get arsehole celebrates to speak on your Candidate's behalf.
24: Don't pick a Candidate who continually gets caught saying one thing to one group of people, and the opposite to another.
25: Maybe don't act like the country you are running for office in, is the worst place ever.
26: Maybe don't advocate so hard for immigration that it appears as if you are trying to replace the majority population with one that tends to vote more for you, than your opponent.
27: Understand that unfettered immigration hurts the poor people you allegedly care about.
28: Educate yourselves on economics, and why small businesses can't afford to pay a 17 year old burger flipper $15 an hour.
29: Educate yourselves on what a human right is.
30: Educate yourselves as to why human rights aren't granted by the Government.
31: Educate yourselves as to why doing so would allow said Government to take away those rights.
32: Understand that Health Care is not a human right.
33: Understand that Health Care is never going to be free.
34: Understand that Education is not a human right.
35: Understand that Education is never going to be free.
36: Stop pretending that having the Government pay for things makes it somehow free.
37: Stop promising stupid people free crap to get them to vote for you.
38: Stop being pretentious arseholes who have for my entire life insulted me, and my way of living, only now to hide behind "hate speech" laws when I tell you to go fornicate with yourselves.
39: Stop advocating for Orwellian Censorship laws that only seem to affect the people you don't agree with.
40: Understand what the Freedom of Speech is.
41: Understand that hate speech does not exist.
42: Understand that even if it did, it would fall under the protection of the Freedom of Speech anyways, so it's ok.
43: Understand that your feelings don't matter.
44: Understand that I don't care about your feelings.
45: Understand words aren't violence.
46: Grow the hell up.
47: Stop turning our education system, into an indoctrination system that only seems to expose the future generations to your point of view.
48: Understand there is more than one point of view and another point of view may be contrary to your own.
49: Understand that is ok.
50: Don't support violent protestors who destroy public and private property.
__________________________________________________ _____________
I could go on, but that seems to be enough for right now. But lets be fair here, they aren't going to read it. They won't want to understand it. And they won't apply it in a attempt to actually win.
Bilge_Rat
04-18-18, 10:17 AM
interesting, despite all the constant doom and gloom from the fake news media, President Trump's approval rating now hovers around 50% and is the highest it has been in a year.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history
interesting, despite all the constant doom and gloom from the fake news media, President Trump's approval rating now hovers around 50% and is the highest it has been in a year.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history
https://i.imgur.com/jv0fq6U.jpg
Here's RealClearPolitics' average using multiple polls:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls
Approve: 41.9% - Disapprove: 54.4%
FiveThirtyEight's average:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Approve: 40.2% - Disapprove: 54.3%
Mr Quatro
04-18-18, 11:35 AM
If polls represented the true thoughts of the American people then Hillary Clinton would be the President of the United States instead of Donald Trump :yep:
https://www.politicususa.com/2018/04/18/heres-why-trump-is-tweeting-about-his-horrible-approval-ratings.html
Many people have been surprised this week to see two tweets from President Trump citing his high approval ratings in a recent opinion poll. It’s surprising because everyone who is paying attention knows that Trump’s approval ratings are the lowest in history for a president at this stage of his presidency. (George W. Bush’s ratings went much lower, but it took him years to accomplish that.)
We decided to take a closer look at the numbers in various opinion polls to try to understand what’s really going on.
We concluded that two things are going on:
In his most recent tweet, Trump is lying about his approval rating, and
All of his tweets about approval ratings are very misleading, and thus, inaccurate.
On the second point, his tweets are misleading because they cite Rasmussen Reports, which is only one of the many polls that track approval ratings. And Rasmussen uses a unique methodology that assures a very conservative bias.
What Rasmussen does is use computers to call telephone landlines to get its poll results. So the respondents to its polls are ONLY people who are at home to answer their landlines, who of course are older and more conservative. It’s as if Trump’s approval was being polled only among people who watch Fox News.
Platapus
04-18-18, 05:55 PM
This question keeps coming up on other forums and I am, frankly, surprised that it is even being asked. The answer seems pretty clearly "no".
The creation and management of an Independent Counsel is governed by Federal Law. Specifically Title 28 U.S.C. Chapter 40 sections 591 through 599.
The applicable section concerning the dismissal of an Independent Counsel is section 596, which is quoted in its entirety.
28 U.S. Code § 596 - Removal of an independent counsel; termination of office
(a) Removal; Report on Removal.— (1)Grounds for removal.—
An independent counsel appointed under this chapter may be removed from office, other than by impeachment and conviction, only by the personal action of the Attorney General and only for good cause, physical or mental disability (if not prohibited by law protecting persons from discrimination on the basis of such a disability), [/URL]or any other condition that substantially impairs the performance of such independent counsel’s duties.
(2)Report to division of the court and congress.—
If an independent counsel is removed from office, the Attorney General shall promptly submit to the division of the [URL="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=28-USC-94851467-191212297&term_occur=723&term_src=title:28:part:II:chapter:40:section:596"]court (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/596#fn002033) and the Committees on the Judiciary of the Senate and the House of Representatives a report specifying the facts found and the ultimate grounds for such removal. The committees shall make available to the public such report, except that each committee may, if necessary to protect the rights of any individual named in the report or to prevent undue interference with any pending prosecution, postpone or refrain from publishing any or all of the report. The division of the court (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=28-USC-94851467-191212297&term_occur=724&term_src=title:28:part:II:chapter:40:section:596) may release any or all of such report in accordance with section 594(h)(2).
(3)Judicial review of removal.—
An independent counsel removed from office may obtain judicial review of the removal in a civil action commenced in the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=28-USC-80204913-1053471904&term_occur=584&term_src=title:28:part:II:chapter:40:section:596)D istrict Court (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=28-USC-197249415-2029586402&term_occur=234&term_src=title:28:part:II:chapter:40:section:596) for the District of Columbia. A member of the division of the court may not hear or determine any such civil action or any appeal of a decision in any such civil action. The independent counsel may be reinstated or granted other appropriate relief by order of the court.
(b) Termination of Office.—
(1)Termination by action of independent counsel.—An office of independent counsel shall terminate when—
(A)the independent counsel notifies the Attorney General that the investigation of all matters within the prosecutorial jurisdiction of such independent counsel or accepted by such independent counsel under section 594(e), and any resulting prosecutions, have been completed or so substantially completed that it would be appropriate for the Department (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=28-USC-848184146-2029586402&term_occur=343&term_src=title:28:part:II:chapter:40:section:596) of Justice to complete such investigations and prosecutions; and
(B) the independent counsel files a final report in compliance with section 594(h)(1)(B).
(2)Termination by division of the court.—
The division of the court (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=28-USC-94851467-191212297&term_occur=725&term_src=title:28:part:II:chapter:40:section:596), either on its own motion or upon the request of the Attorney General, may terminate an office of independent counsel at any time, on the ground that the investigation of all matters within the prosecutorial jurisdiction of such independent counsel or accepted by such independent counsel under section 594(e), and any resulting prosecutions, have been completed or so substantially completed that it would be appropriate for the Department (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=28-USC-848184146-2029586402&term_occur=344&term_src=title:28:part:II:chapter:40:section:596) of Justice to complete such investigations and prosecutions. At the time of such termination, the independent counsel shall file the final report required by section 594(h)(1)(B). If the Attorney General has not made a request under this paragraph, the division of the court shall determine on its own motion whether termination is appropriate under this paragraph no later than 2 years after the appointment of an independent counsel, at the end of the succeeding 2-year period, and thereafter at the end of each succeeding 1-year period.
(c)Audits.—
(1) On or before June 30 of each year, an independent counsel shall prepare a statement of expenditures for the 6 months that ended on the immediately preceding March 31. On or before December 31 of each year, an independent counsel shall prepare a statement of expenditures for the fiscal year that ended on the immediately preceding September 30. An independent counsel whose office is terminated prior to the end of the fiscal year shall prepare a statement of expenditures on or before the date that is 90 days after the date on which the office is terminated.
(2) The Comptroller General shall—
(A)conduct a financial review of a mid-year statement and a financial audit of a year-end statement and statement on termination; and
(B)report the results to the Committee on the Judiciary, Committee on Governmental Affairs, and Committee on Appropriations of the Senate and the Committee on the Judiciary, Committee on Government Operations, and Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives not later than 90 days following the submission of each such statement.
Cutting through all the legalese, there are only two ways an Independent Counsel can be "fired".
1. By being impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate
2. By the Attorney General or if the AG is unable, due to being recused or involved in the investigation, by the next ranking officer in the DoJ, usually a Deputy.
No where in the law does it authorize the President the authority to fire an Independent Counsel.
The AG can only fire the Independent Counsel for good cause and the AG must submit a report to the congress detailing the cause of the dismissal.
The Independent Counsel can appeal the firing decision and the District Court of DC has the authority to overturn the firing and reinstate the Independent Counsel.
If congress wished for the President to have authority to fire an Independent Counsel, I am pretty sure the would have included that authority.
Now, nothing here prevents a President from thinking that he or she has the authority to fire an Independent Counsel. But, I seriously doubt that the Legislative or the Judicial branch will give up their authority over Independent Counsel firings and appeals.
Mr Quatro
04-18-18, 06:10 PM
Speaking of (the devil) polls :D
Hillary Clinton's popularity has plunged since election, poll finds
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/18/hillary-clintons-popularity-has-plunged-since-election-poll-finds.html
Hillary Clinton, well over a year after she lost the 2016 election to President Trump, is less popular than ever, according to a poll released this week.
Only 27 percent of those polled had a very or somewhat positive view of the former secretary of state, according to The Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. That makes her less popular than President Trump, whose popularity registered at 35 percent. It is a new low for her in the poll, which clocked her popularity at 30 percent in August 2017.
Disclaimer: this is Fox news :o
Obamas polls at the same period in his presidency were pretty much the same.
Rockstar
04-18-18, 06:38 PM
Oh I don't know but I suspect the question keeps coming up because of the number of media articles purporting to have the inside scoop that Trump, is 'thinking about', 'on the verge', 'wants to' or 'will' fire Mueller. Heck even I would think about firing him. Fallout be damned I might even go so far to mention it to the media just to watch them get their panties in a wad over it.
Slyguy3129
04-18-18, 07:47 PM
If polls represented the true thoughts of the American people then Hillary Clinton would be the President of the United States instead of Donald Trump :yep:
https://www.politicususa.com/2018/04/18/heres-why-trump-is-tweeting-about-his-horrible-approval-ratings.html
https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/
https://www.google.com/search?q=US+2016+election+by+county+map&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc25KmjMXaAhVCF6wKHYKaD7sQsAQIVg&biw=1280&bih=876
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http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/countymaprb1024.png
http://brilliantmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2016nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.png
One look at any of the maps that go by county, shows why Donald Trump is and should be President. The country very clearly went red, and only certain cities went Blue. Hence the Electoral College and why we have it. This was a landslide of which we haven't seen in a good long time in this country. Boy was it fun flipping between Fox and the Cry Baby channels during that night. Easily the greatest night I've ever had in my entire life. I actually expected for The Cry Baby Networks to start committing suicide on air! Fox is far more reliable than any of the other "News" stations. Not that they are perfect.
And if the 2016 election showed anything, it's that people that believe in polls, or think polls should be used to determine how we run things, are not very honest. In fact, they are all bald faced liars, and the entire country sees them as such.
Slyguy3129
04-18-18, 07:52 PM
Speaking of (the devil) polls :D
Hillary Clinton's popularity has plunged since election, poll finds
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/18/hillary-clintons-popularity-has-plunged-since-election-poll-finds.html
Disclaimer: this is Fox news :o
Actually if you read what you posted, you'll see it's the Wall Street Journal, and an NBC poll.
Jesus..............some people really scare me that they have the ability to actually vote.
Buddahaid
04-18-18, 07:56 PM
I see people still can't make points in posts without using all the modifiers.
Slyguy3129
04-18-18, 08:45 PM
I see people still can't make points in posts without using all the modifiers.
Yea sorry about the giant maps. Tried to find smaller ones but it was either too small to actually see the counties, or a freaking 4k version of the map!
Of course I suppose I could have just not posted the maps that way, but that wouldn't do the people who would refuse to clink the links because it's facts they don't like any good.
Still, my apologies. Least I limited it to two. Really just to add to the detail. One map you can't see the state outlines, but it gives you a good general idea. The second smaller map shows just how hard each county went for each party by varying the intesity of either red, or blue.
But to be fair, if we weren't suppose to use them, what is the point in them being included?
Slyguy3129
04-18-18, 08:53 PM
This question keeps coming up on other forums and I am, frankly, surprised that it is even being asked. The answer seems pretty clearly "no".
The creation and management of an Independent Counsel is governed by Federal Law. Specifically Title 28 U.S.C. Chapter 40 sections 591 through 599.
The applicable section concerning the dismissal of an Independent Counsel is section 596, which is quoted in its entirety.
Cutting through all the legalese, there are only two ways an Independent Counsel can be "fired".
1. By being impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate
2. By the Attorney General or if the AG is unable, due to being recused or involved in the investigation, by the next ranking officer in the DoJ, usually a Deputy.
No where in the law does it authorize the President the authority to fire an Independent Counsel.
The AG can only fire the Independent Counsel for good cause and the AG must submit a report to the congress detailing the cause of the dismissal.
The Independent Counsel can appeal the firing decision and the District Court of DC has the authority to overturn the firing and reinstate the Independent Counsel.
If congress wished for the President to have authority to fire an Independent Counsel, I am pretty sure the would have included that authority.
Now, nothing here prevents a President from thinking that he or she has the authority to fire an Independent Counsel. But, I seriously doubt that the Legislative or the Judicial branch will give up their authority over Independent Counsel firings and appeals.
Yes, he can, you answered it in your own post. The AG can fire him, and the President can direct the AG to fire him.
Will he? Of course not, every day Muller and idiot Democrats are distracted by that literal nothing burger, is another day they've wasted day dreaming.
But I wouldn't mind it if he did, just so I can watch the Left act like the complete and utter idiots they have proven themselves to be.
At the end of the day, I think Trump is thumping the Left so hard, that in the coming years, they will start wanting to shrink the power of the Federal Government. They will definitely be screaming that once he wins again in 2020. And if mind bonking the Left with Trump, gets them to start wanting smaller government, well then I accomplished exactly what I set out to achieve by voting for him. Because when he wins in 2020, he is going to tackle spending and entitlements. And will be able to do so without having to walk a tight rope just to get re-elected.
My country electing Donald J. Trump as President, is the first time I was ever proud of my country.**
**: Mocking Michelle Obama saying she was never proud of this country till the idiots in it elected her husband to it's highest office.
I don't think modifier means what you think it means.
Rockstar
04-19-18, 02:51 PM
This question keeps coming up on other forums and I am, frankly, surprised that it is even being asked. The answer seems pretty clearly "no".
The creation and management of an Independent Counsel is governed by Federal Law. Specifically Title 28 U.S.C. Chapter 40 sections 591 through 599.
I wonder what is so different about the bill being pushed forward to protect the special counsel? For months the media has been reporting that Trump is on verge of firing the special counsel. Now congress is acting on this news in the most political fashion. Makes me wonder if either of them have ever read Title 28 U.S.C. Chapter 40 sections 591 through 599.
I do know a few politicians are saying its not a necessary in that the above U.S.C. already protects the S.C.
edit: found it (I think) alb17686
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015d-a988-d494-a77f-ef9e07670001
Sailor Steve
04-19-18, 04:09 PM
One look at any of the maps that go by county, shows why Donald Trump is and should be President. The country very clearly went red, and only certain cities went Blue.
You seem to be missing one salient point, which is that most of those red counties don't have any people in them. Well, a few of course, but the fact is that most of the people live in those cities you deride. A good example is Utah, where I live. The state is 70% Mormon, and therefore theoretically 70% Conservative. The problem is that one little blue swath by the Great Salt Lake. More than half the state's population live in just three metro areas, and the largest, Salt Lake City, has just the opposite demographic - it's predominantly Liberal. If the states weren't mostly all-or-nothing the map would be far different. And no, the states have not always been all-or-nothing.
Hence the Electoral College and why we have it.
You need to study history more. The Electoral College was created specifically because the Founders didn't want the people voting for President at all. The EC was to be appointed by the States " in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct..." They don't seem to have conceived of the States actually inviting the people to vote for the electors.
This was a landslide of which we haven't seen in a good long time in this country.
Landslide? How do you figure that. Clinton actually won the popular vote. Cite the Electoral College all you like, the simple fact is that more people wanted her to be President than wanted Trump. In the EC Trump won by a margin of 56%-42%. That's big, even impressive. If you want to see a real landslide look at 1940, when Franklin Roosevelt beat Alf Landon by 523-8, or 98%-2%.
I understand that, like a lot of people, you're more concerned with your side winning than with actually discussing the issues, but if Trump being elected made you proud I'd say your standards are rather on the low side.
Platapus
04-19-18, 05:00 PM
Yes, he can, you answered it in your own post. The AG can fire him, and the President can direct the AG to fire him..
No I refuted it. The President still does not have the authority to fire an Independent Counsel. You are correct that the President can systematically start firing AG down the line, but it still takes the AG or the acting AG to fire an Independent Counsel. The President still can't fire one himself.
And certainly the judicial branch can override any inappropriate firing based on appeal.
...if Trump being elected made you proud I'd say your standards are rather on the low side.
Low side? You gonna call him a deplorable next there Cankles?
Hey just read that the IG has made a criminal referral against McCabe.
Excellent!
Re: the ability of a President to fire a Special Prosecutor/Special Counsel; one of the advantages of living a long time is experiencing some incidents that have now come about again; Nixon tried to get Archibald Cox fired and could not legally do so on his own orders; Nixon then tried to get the AG to fire Cox, but the AG refused and resigned in disgust; Nixon moved on down the food chain and tried to get the Asst. AG to fire Cox and the Asst. AG also quit in protest; Nixon was finally able to get the Solicitor General to do the firing, but the end result was the filing of an obstruction of justice count added to the impeachment articles based on Nixon's actions in firing the SP:
On November 14, 1973, federal district judge Gerhard Gesell ruled firing Cox was illegal absent a finding of extraordinary impropriety as specified in the regulation establishing the special prosecutor's office. Congress was infuriated by what it saw as a gross abuse of presidential power—as were many Americans, who sent an unusually large number of telegrams to the White House and Congress in protest.
Less than a week after the Saturday Night Massacre, an Oliver Quayle poll for NBC News showed that, for the first time, a plurality of U.S. citizens supported impeaching Nixon, with 44% in favor, 43% opposed, and 13% undecided, with a sampling error of 2 to 3 per cent.[11] In the days that followed, numerous resolutions of impeachment against the president were introduced in Congress.
But the House Judiciary Committee did not approve its first article of impeachment until July 27 the following year – more than nine months after the Saturday Night Massacre – when it charged Nixon with obstruction of justice. Two more articles of impeachment quickly followed.
Nixon resigned less than two weeks later, on August 8, 1974.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre
Trump is welcome to try to repeat history...
I don't think his outcome will be any different than Nixon's...
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Sailor Steve
04-19-18, 10:02 PM
Low side? You gonna call him a deplorable next there Cankles?
Sorry, I don't understand either of those terms. If you'll recall, I didn't vote for either the clown or the crook. When asked if I thought they were equall6y bad, I replied that I thought each one was worse than the other.
I don't really care that much about Trump one way or the other, as despite the cries from the left no President is really capable of doing extreme harm to the country. What I care about are True Believers, the ones who "know" that they are right and will go to practically any length to prove it. Every comment they make is based on that presupposition, and they always seem to have a difficult time actually discussing a topic without a whole lot of "Rah, Rah, We're The Best!" The also seem to operate on the assumption that everyone else thinks just like them, so that anyone who offers any kind of negative observation is automatically assumed to be the enemy.
A lot of us actually don't think that way.
Comey's memos have been released by the DOJ and can be read here:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4442900-Ex-FBI-Director-James-Comey-s-memos.html
u crank
04-20-18, 08:24 AM
I said I don't do sneaky things, I don't leak, I don't do weasel moves.
Page three of Comey memo, paragraph 4.
So Comey, at Clapper’s expressed behest, told Trump that CNN was “looking for a news hook” to publish dossier allegations. He said this in the briefing of Trump that almost immediately leaked to CNN, which provided them the very news hook they sought and needed.
This briefing, and the leaking of it, legitimized the dossier, which touched off the Russia hysteria. That hysteria led to a full-fledged media freakout. During the freakout, Comey deliberately refused to say in public what he acknowledged repeatedly in private — that the President of the United States was not under investigation. He even noted in his memos that he told the president at least three times that he was not under investigation. Comey’s refusal to admit publicly what he kept telling people privately led to his firing.
That led to Comey leaking multiple memos in order to get a special counsel appointed out of revenge.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/20/comeys-memos-indicate-dossier-briefing-of-trump-was-a-setup/
In some ways I feel sorry for Comey because it seems like he has psychological disorder. He seems oblivious to his own shortcomings while gladly pointing out defects in others. Maybe he's preparing his defense. :03:
"I said I don't do sneaky things, I don't leak, I don't do weasel moves. "
Page three of Comey memo, paragraph 4.
He was talking then as the Director of the FBI, about his reliability as the Director. What he did after he was fired and was no longer bound by his profession is completely different.
As for the second part of your post, Comey didn't make it public because the FBI would then have to publicly correct it incase Trump became target of investigation which -- needless to say -- would hamper the investigation.
Bilge_Rat
04-20-18, 09:32 AM
Comey is a non-entity at this point, spurned by both Republicans and Democrats. He will never be appointed to any office ever again.
He will do his publicity tour, get his two weeks of fame and then disappear altogether. :ping:
Rockstar
04-20-18, 10:01 AM
Comey is a non-entity at this point, spurned by both Republicans and Democrats. He will never be appointed to any office ever again.
He will do his publicity tour, get his two weeks of fame and then disappear altogether. :ping:
when Obama hired Comey he had a net worth of 11 million dollars now a book deal he's laughing all the way to the bank to collect his money. While with the FBI he still made about 130,000 dollars more than the average American household. Obvious to me where his higher loyalty lies. The joke's on us.
Meanwhile here at SUBSIM...
Mr Quatro
04-20-18, 01:02 PM
Trump is welcome to try to repeat history...
I don't think his outcome will be any different than Nixon's...
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Yea! Vienna is back ... :up:
What if subsim had a bowling league with two teams democrats and republicans ... which side would you be on?
Meanwhile here at SUBSIM......Yes?
Salary nor one's net worth means nothing. See: Trump.
What is your point?
u crank
04-20-18, 01:20 PM
Trump is welcome to try to repeat history...
I don't think his outcome will be any different than Nixon's...
I don't think Trump has any intention of firing Mueller now despite what MSNBC and CNN say. He doesn't have to.
By the way, welcome back man. I missed you. :salute:
Rockstar
04-20-18, 01:50 PM
...Yes?
Salary nor one's net worth means nothing. See: Trump.
What is your point?
You just made it.
Platapus
04-20-18, 02:00 PM
What if subsim had a bowling league with two teams democrats and republicans ... which side would you be on?
Neither. Both teams always end up in the gutter. :D
Bilge_Rat
04-20-18, 02:06 PM
at this point , it seems Trump is not a target, so no reason to fire anyone:
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Donald Trump last week that he isn’t a target of any part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation or the probe into his longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, according to several people familiar with the matter.
Rosenstein, who brought up the investigations himself, offered the assurance during a meeting with Trump at the White House last Thursday, a development that helped tamp down the president’s desire to remove Rosenstein or Mueller, the people said.
After the meeting, Trump told some of his closest advisers that it’s not the right time to remove either man since he’s not a target of the probes. One person said Trump doesn’t want to take any action that would drag out the investigation.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-19/rosenstein-said-to-tell-trump-he-s-not-target-in-mueller-probe
Mr Quatro
04-20-18, 05:33 PM
at this point , it seems Trump is not a target, so no reason to fire anyone:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-19/rosenstein-said-to-tell-trump-he-s-not-target-in-mueller-probe
My first thought was that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein was trying to keep his job :yep:
Yea! Vienna is back ... :up:
What if subsim had a bowling league with two teams democrats and republicans ... which side would you be on?
I'm not really a "joiner in", so I would rather just bowl on my own; also, I shudder to think what truly bad team bowling shirts they would devise...
So, I wouldn't join either team...
...but, I would keep a close score... :03:
<O>
when Obama hired Comey he had a net worth of 11 million dollars now a book deal he's laughing all the way to the bank to collect his money. While with the FBI he still made about 130,000 dollars more than the average American household. Obvious to me where his higher loyalty lies. The joke's on us.
Meanwhile here at SUBSIM...
Yeah, there is nothing worse than a civil servant profiting from their service to the country; you could almost say it is ... criminal:
Does Trump profit from official government business done at Mar-a-Lago?...
https://www.quora.com/Does-Trump-profit-from-official-government-business-done-at-Mar-a-Lago-Does-the-resort-bill-the-government-a-huge-amount-for-events-How-is-that-not-a-conflict-of-interest-and-acceptable-to-Congress-and-the-OGE
Obvious to me where his higher loyalty lies. The joke's on us...
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Watch an old man ramble on national TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lu_Hgw60Ns
Bilge_Rat
04-27-18, 07:59 AM
Watch an old man ramble on national TV.
Au contraire, that was a master class in messaging by a first class communicator, bypassing the biased, partisan media and taking his message directly to voters, laying out the themes he will hammer during the 2018 and 2020 election cycle.
The reaction of Trump-haters is entirely predictable, but the message is not aimed at them since they are irrelevant to the process. It is aimed at his base and more importantly at moderate, independent voters.
I am honestly not sure whether to take that as sarcasm or serious? Both fit. :hmmm:
Bilge_Rat
04-28-18, 09:47 AM
North Korea's nuclear ambitions met their match in President Donald Trump
Trump’s big, bad personality is just right for this dangerous world.
It is a dangerous world, dominated by outsized personalities who act aggressively on behalf of their nations, including not hesitating to threaten — and even engage in — war.
Fortunately, one is President Donald Trump.
History — and in particular, the American voter — has a way of calling forth the right person to lead at the right time. Trump is a flawed man — self-indulgent, megalomaniacal, a bit paranoid, driven by self-interest and implacably domineering. But these “flaws” also make him a big character, and as he prepares to confront Kim and the other great tyrants of the age, Americans can feel assured that they have chosen the right man for the moment.
The president will have no problem understanding the motivations of Kim and the other tyrants he faces, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, newly anointed Chinese President-for-life Xi Jinping and Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. And Trump has the outsized strength of personality to combat them — unlike any of his rivals in the 2016 presidential election.
Republican voters were offered several “nice” alternatives who were raised to be respectful, yet they chose the guy who’d wipe his mouth off with your tie. Then the general public concurred.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/north-korea-s-nuclear-ambitions-met-their-match-president-donald-ncna868831
He may be a SOB, but at least he is our SOB. :up:
Mr Quatro
04-28-18, 01:50 PM
He may be a SOB, but at least he is our SOB. :up:
But I still think Trump is hiding something about Russia and Putin due to his non comment to talk trash talk about them. Sort of like when President Obama would never call Muslim's Muslim terrorist :yep:
em2nought
04-28-18, 01:58 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/north-korea-s-nuclear-ambitions-met-their-match-president-donald-ncna868831
He may be a SOB, but at least he is our SOB. :up:
Wow, that's the second positive story I've seen from the fake news folks regarding Trump within the week. The other one was so good I went back to yahoo to copy it, but the "Fox and Friends" stuff had since developed and I think they pulled the link. Actually the first story wasn't so much positive about Trump as it was negative about Hillary regarding investigation and prosecution. :up:
Oh, this might be it https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/mueller-russia-investigation-real-collusion-obama-hillary-clinton/
Or maybe it was this one, but that's older https://nypost.com/2018/02/10/peeling-back-the-layers-of-hillary-clintons-deceit/
Buddahaid
04-28-18, 02:50 PM
I'm with Dowly on this post. I'm sure if you're serious or sarcastic.
desepticon
04-28-18, 03:50 PM
But I still think Trump is hiding something about Russia and Putin due to his non comment to talk trash talk about them. Sort of like when President Obama would never call Muslim's Muslim terrorist :yep:
I think Obama did that because he knew what leading a country meant. Sure, it would have been completely accurate to call it "Muslim Terrorism." But I think he knew that would only fan the flames of hatred against Muslims in our own country, the vast vast majority of whom are law abiding and loyal citizens. As President he has to set an example for our nation. He probably felt using such inflamed rhetoric would only lead to discrimination or even violence against Muslim Americans
Rockstar
04-28-18, 05:07 PM
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Mr Quatro
04-29-18, 09:53 AM
^ Can't see your picture, Platapus.
Can you see it now?
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Platapus
04-29-18, 03:49 PM
^ Can't see your picture, Platapus.
That's weird but I can't seem to post images like all the cool kids can. :wah:
Mr Quatro
04-30-18, 03:54 PM
I have entertained the thought that general Kelly will run for POTUS ... this confirms my thoughts :yep:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/kelly-thinks-he-s-saving-u-s-disaster-calls-trump-n868961
WASHINGTON — White House chief of staff John Kelly has eroded morale in the West Wing in recent months with comments to aides that include insulting the president's intelligence and casting himself as the savior of the country, according to eight current and former White House officials.
The officials said Kelly portrays himself to Trump administration aides as the lone bulwark against catastrophe, curbing the erratic urges of a president who has a questionable grasp on policy issues and the functions of government. He has referred to Trump as "an idiot" multiple times to underscore his point, according to four officials who say they've witnessed the comments.
So, when Kelly gets fired, it will be for telling the truth?...
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Delgard
04-30-18, 05:48 PM
Repeated use of the word "officials" is not a valid source. It is just writing to inflame and cause drama.
Repeated use of the word "officials" is not a valid source. It is just writing to inflame and cause drama.
You mean just like Fox News, Breitbart, Infowars, etc.?...
...and Trump Tweets?...
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Repeated use of the word "officials" is not a valid source. It is just writing to inflame and cause drama.
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Delgard
04-30-18, 06:24 PM
Why is this an inflaming subject? Just set the standard about sources. I am not here to call out any other news presenter, agency, or publication.
I just responded to the article posted.
I am watchful in real life. There are manipulators in the news broadcast system. Some political, and some just to divide.
Mr Quatro
04-30-18, 08:12 PM
Why is this an inflaming subject? Just set the standard about sources. I am not here to call out any other news presenter, agency, or publication.
I just responded to the article posted.
I am watchful in real life. There are manipulators in the news broadcast system. Some political, and some just to divide.
I acted too quick Delgard ... I apologize to all of you. Yes it was a back stabbing report from a known enemy of Trump NBC. In fact even in that article of NBC it says they can't find a staff member that has heard Kelly talk bad about Trump yet they had a head line that he did trash talk Trump.
CBS gets into the act with a follow up that is completely different ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chief-of-staff-john-kelly-donald-trump-idiot-report/
WASHINGTON -- White House chief of staff John Kelly said Monday that a report that he called President Trump an idiot is "total BS." Kelly, in a statement, said he and Mr. Trump have "an incredibly candid and strong relationship."
He added, "He always knows where I stand and he and I both know this story is total BS."
Report: Comey book says John Kelly referred to Trump as "dishonorable"
NBC News reported Monday that Kelly has on multiple occasions criticized Mr. Trump's knowledge on issues like immigration, and has cast himself as a protecting the country from Mr. Trump's impulses. The report added that Mr. Trump was growing tired of Kelly's attitude.
Starting to look like you can't even trust main line media anymore ... I'm going to wait three (3) days from now on to get the true story :yep:
Rockstar
04-30-18, 08:20 PM
It amazes me some people are just now figuring this out. :doh:
Delgard
04-30-18, 08:29 PM
Professionally, I am very mindful of biasness. It really becomes noticeable when their are drivers doing it.
Someone on Fox this past weekend thanked peoples in Fox management for helping them focus their career. I thought about the individual and their role as part of the Fox team. All the "characters" I could think of had slightly different intent for the network. Why? The Network has someone to report on any situation, event, and in a certain way that Fox management wants.
All the networks do the same. Or they get someone to guest and they let them project a certain message.
The major U.S. news sites are really inflamatory or they are creating drama for an agenda. They all have an agenda, whether political, of social.
I am just careful and if it makes it into the US Politics Thread, I try to validate it for whatever it is. "Officials" is bad. I saw on several other news sites that Kelly and the Pres are now having to counter it.
That particular article smacked of creating drama towards manipulation of Oval Office relationships.
I felt no offense. Disapointment with the media, maybe. There are some good news sites.
:salute:
Bilge_Rat
05-01-18, 08:15 AM
U.S. media political reporting in general is incredibly biased these days, every site is either pro-Trump or anti-Trump, there is no middle of the road objective source. All you can do is read pro-Trump and anti-Trump sites and try to figure out the true story for yourself...which is usually somewhere in the middle. :03:
Rockstar
05-01-18, 09:16 AM
A long time ago I suggested the reason this is so is without viewers they have no income. They tailor their program in such a way that basically tells people what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. It keeps the herd tuned in and the cash flowing.
Never mind grown-up discussion about the economy or foreign affairs. If you want to stay in business you need create a story with innuendo, allusion, suggestion and accusations that's what captivates viewers these days.
Platapus
05-01-18, 03:09 PM
It amazes me some people are just now figuring this out. :doh:
What? That Trump is an Idiot?
Lots of people already knew that. :up:
Only the other idiots don't seem to have sussed it out yet...
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u crank
05-01-18, 04:30 PM
What? That Trump is an Idiot?
Lots of people already knew that. :up:
Only the other idiots don't seem to have sussed it out yet...
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It must be so frustrating. How ever will you stand the next 7 years? :haha:
Rockstar
05-01-18, 06:19 PM
What? That Trump is an Idiot?
Lots of people already knew that. :up:
LOL ya thats it, thats what I meant. Honestly though I never met the man. And unlike some here I certainly don't allow the media or others to make that kind of decision for me. :03:
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Trump: "All together now, sing with me!... "I could while away the hours, if I only had a brain!...'"...
Interestingly, if you do a Google Image search on this image, it comes back with the result "Trump losing his mind"... :haha:
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It must be so frustrating. How ever will you stand the next 7 years? :haha:
Well, at least, President Pence seems to be reasonably rational and sane...
...and he only needs to be a placeholder for the next three years... :D
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Bilge_Rat
05-01-18, 07:40 PM
the guy is a billionaire...he is married to a model...he is President of the USA...and he is fooling around with Playboy playmates...
..you guys are just jealous...:arrgh!:
the guy is a billionaire...he is married to a model...he is President of the USA...and he is fooling around with Playboy playmates...
..you guys are just jealous...:arrgh!:
He inherited his wealth and expanded it through shady, unethical, and illegal dealings...anyone with a fat wallet can marry a model...presidency by a fluke is not an accomplishment at all...and, I bet he wishes now he never fooled around with Playboy playmates...
we're not jealous...
...just relieved we're not the jackass who has gotten himself into such a god-awful mess... :har::har:
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Platapus
05-02-18, 02:28 PM
..you guys are just jealous...:arrgh!:
At least some of us here know the difference between jealous and envy. :D
Protip: You can only be jealous of what you have. You are envious of what someone else has.
I'm neither
For me Trump is a mand who may have said
Hold my beer and I'll show you how easy it is to win the election.
And now he is the POTUS.
If this is good or bad for America, it's up the American to decide.
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Mr Quatro
05-02-18, 07:09 PM
It must be so frustrating. How ever will you stand the next 7 years? :haha:
You sure are sure of your self polling ... I think this 2018 election for the House and the Senate in November (is it November/) will decide a lot for or against the GOP.
Can Trump lead the GOP on to victory ... even though I am embarrassed of him. :oops:
I hope so :yep:
em2nought
05-02-18, 08:58 PM
He inherited his wealth
Yep, leaving money to your heirs is a real crime. Truly it's something to be ashamed of and derided. If you've managed to save something over the years you must have done something shady. Better the government should take it all back. Why would we want people to have a reason to run a business anyway. Let's all feed at the public trough with all the other sheeple. :up:
Rockstar
05-03-18, 09:15 AM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - CNN said on Thursday that North Korea would imminently release three Americans held as prisoners, as expectations grew that Pyongyang would make the gesture ahead of an unprecedented U.S.-North Korea summit due to take place in coming weeks.
Americans may get to go home and after 65 years a war may finally end.
We now return you to the important stuff of divisive party politics, accusations, porn stars, collusion, nameless officials, hypocrisy, and trolls.
Rockstar
05-03-18, 09:23 AM
Another protip: read the dictionary.
JEALOUS : hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage : ENVIOUS
His success made his old friends jealous.
They were jealous of his success.
JEALOUS AND ENVY it seems are somewhat interchangeable both are used to define a certain feeling when you see something another has and you don't. Jealousy however seems to indicate a more hostile feeling than simply being envious.
Being jealous of something when its already in your possession doesn't make any sense. If its already something "what you have" in your possession I suppose one could either be content or discontented with it. But jealous of it or another?
Jealousy is also a personal matter. Two people can have different feelings towards what another has. I could be jealous of another's success whereas Bilge Rat might be envious bordering on not giving a flip about it.
Another protip: read the dictionary.
JEALOUS : hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage : ENVIOUS
His success made his old friends jealous.
They were jealous of his success.
JEALOUS AND ENVY it seems are interchangeable both are used to define a certain feeling when you see something another has and you don't.
Being jealous of something when its already in your possession doesn't make any sense. If its already something "what you have" in your possession I suppose one could either be content or discontented with it. But jealous of it?
Jealousy is also a personal matter. Two people can have different feelings towards what another has. I could be jealous of another's success whereas Bilge Rat might not give give a flip about it.
“I’m not jealous! I’m envious. Jealousy is when you worry someone will take what you have ... envy is wanting what someone else has.” - Homer Simpson
Rockstar
05-03-18, 11:11 AM
Oh, I don't watch the Simpsons
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em2nought
05-03-18, 11:46 AM
So for 65 years we've had either politicians or generals as president, and we haven't been able to put an end to the Korean War. A businessman gets elected and it looks like it might end within the first two years of his presidency. Guess it's time for the swamp to get involved. :03:
https://pics.me.me/breaking-korean-iwar-must-continu-breaking-news-u-s-district-judge-32629089.png
Buddahaid
05-03-18, 12:03 PM
That was already debunked on the Korea Nuke thread.
Bilge_Rat
05-03-18, 12:20 PM
At least some of us here know the difference between jealous and envy. :D
seems you don't though based on Rockstar's post.
Bilge_Rat
05-03-18, 12:22 PM
...just relieved we're not the jackass who has gotten himself into such a god-awful mess... :har::har:
let's see, President of the USA, cruising to re-election, in line for Nobel peace prize...:hmmm:
oh I get it, you are taking about Hillary Clinton... :har::har::har:
That was already debunked on the Korea Nuke thread.
"Debunked"? :haha: Must have been a real tough research project seeing as how the pic came from a site called "breakyourownnews.com"!
em2nought
05-03-18, 09:32 PM
"Debunked"? :haha: Must have been a real tough research project seeing as how the pic came from a site called "breakyourownnews.com"!
What? I'm shocked! :03:
https://bill37mccurdy.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/casablanca.jpg
Buddahaid
05-03-18, 10:16 PM
Well, then I guess the photo really belongs in the funny picture thread, or am I in that now, or, maybe the smelly picture thread but that doesn't exist....
So, what happened this week:
Trump's new lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, went on to both Sean Hannity and Fox & Friends and confirmed that Trump had known about the Stormy Daniels payment and had, throught another law firm, paid back the $130k to Cohen. (Something Trump had denied previously)
He also said that Trump fired Comey because he wouldn't, among other things, state publicly that Trump is not under investigation in the Russia investigation. (Clearing what Trump said in the Lester Holt interview about him firing Comey because of the "Russia thing")
Further, NBC reported that prior to the raid on Cohen's home, office etc., his phones were wiretapped which *might've* triggered the raid to preserve evidence. (IIRC, Trump called Cohen after the raid, so their conversation is probably recorded too) Cohen's phones were logged, not wiretapped.
And it's only Friday. :O:
What? I'm shocked! :03:
https://bill37mccurdy.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/casablanca.jpg
I actually typed that post in Bogeys voice. Fakt.
Interesting article in The Hill today.
http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/rodrosenstein_0.jpg?itok=URw1O8OZ
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Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s reaction to reports of possible impeachment for failing to respond to congressional subpoenas was to proclaim that the Justice Department “will not be extorted.”
I suppose he meant to say, “Only we here at the Justice Department do the extorting, with special counsels, daylight raids of people’s attorneys, bankrupting people with legal fees, threats to prosecute family members, and questionable wiretapping of Americans.”
Last time I checked, the Constitution gave the elected representatives of the people the right to decide whether to impeach public officials for failure to comply with completely lawful subpoenas and appropriate oversight. They even provide Congress with immunity included in the Constitution to prevent threats from people like Rosenstein.
As the proposed questions for President Trump from special counsel Robert Mueller imply, just the act of the president raising issues or even having negative thoughts about the appropriateness of actions by Rosenstein, fired FBI director James Comey or Mueller can be investigated as possible obstruction of justice.
This government within the government has now crossed a line that is unacceptable. By gaining the recusal of Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Rosenstein stepped into the shoes of the attorney general, even though he was not appointed to that role by the president.
Now he believes he is above the law despite the myriad of conflicts he has ignored to authorize these unlimited investigations of the administration he supposedly serves. Remember, Rod Rosenstein provided the memo supporting the firing of Comey and then turned around and installed Mueller, a friend of Comey’s, as special counsel, right after trying to get Mueller the position of head of the FBI.
Sessions should call Rosenstein in and demand that he comply fully with the subpoenas or fire him and replace him with someone who will fairly oversee the Russia investigation and who will comply with the lawful orders of Congress. Yes, all hell will break loose, but Rosenstein has now assumed unconstitutional powers, believing that he is accountable to no one but his own conception of the rule of law, and these comments reveal the truth that has been carefully hidden below the Harvard-educated patina of respectability.
It was also Rosenstein that allowed the raid on Cohen’s office, a measure that was sure to draw huge publicity and, thus, be a tactic that itself goes against the idea of at least trying to keep investigations of people secret so as not to ruin the lives of innocent people before they have had their day in court. In the process, it took an investigation that was supposed to be about national security and state secrets and turned it into the same kind of circus we had in 1998 with the investigation and impeachment of President Clinton.
The president’s new lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, did exactly the right thing in getting out the real facts about the Stormy Daniels payment. He is right that such a personal expense is not a campaign expense, did not use donor funds and, even if he were wrong, we have an administrative process for determining that fact under the Federal Election Commission. Remember, the payments were made in the last days of the campaign and so would never have been reported before the election. No difference could ever have been made.
The legal status of this payment does not rise to a high crime or misdemeanor, is not money laundering, wire fraud or any of these other inflated charges. It was a reimbursement to a lawyer for an expense incurred. We have to stop trying to criminalize non-disclosure payments for perfectly legal acts. This is not the “Pentagon Papers.” There is no compelling national interest in Stormy Daniels relating the minute-by-minute events of a consensual event from 10 years ago.
However, the potential case related to the Democrats in which millions of dollars paid to a law firm were funneled to an opposition research firm, Fusion GPS, is far more clear cut. It used donor, not personal funds, it was falsely reported during the campaign and the ultimate recipient was not disclosed. Yet, no sirens are blaring. And by the way, exactly who is paying for Michael Avenatti, attorney for Stormy Daniels, and the continued work of Fusion GPS? Might that be donor money not being reported?
It’s the double standard led by the team at the top that is undermining the rule of law. Either these are both administrative matters to be handled by the Federal Election Commission or they are both criminal investigations with raids on law firms, but we can’t have the lawyers of one party raided and the lawyers of the other party laughing out loud.
The Republicans and the Justice Department inspector general have raised legitimate questions about the operation of the FBI and the Justice Department. The FBI’s deputy director, Andrew McCabe, was removed for alleged lying that was painstakingly documented by the inspector general’s report. The texts of FBI officials Lisa Page and Peter Strzok exposed animus against the president by the bureau’s lead agents.
Christopher Steele was paid for by the Democrats and did become a vendor of the FBI when he spread completely unsubstantiated allegations of the worst kind against the president to the press and, allegedly, lied about it. These transgressors are all giving interviews and writing books, basking in support from the “resistance.”
The point is straightforward. There are plenty of serious questions about the foundation of all these investigations, and it is entirely legitimate for congressional committees to demand documents and answers. This is especially important here because while, technically, the president should be able to demand answers, he is blocked from doing so by the threats of the special counsel to subpoena and prosecute him for even raising doubt about the Mueller operation.
Now, quite stunningly, Rosenstein, who has been behind Justice Department stonewalling of Congress for months, dares threaten even Congress for merely carrying out its fully protected duty. Talk about thin-skinned. We need to now restore the true, unbiased and fairly administered rule of law here that answers the question of whether Donald Trump colluded with the Russian government without attempting to trap the president into obstruction of justice for a nonexistent crime or turning this into a circus.
We need to get to the bottom of what Comey did in all of these investigations, and whether they were compromised. We must have both tasks carried out fully and fairly. It’s clear now that Rod Rosenstein, with his comments, is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/386067-rod-rosenstein-is-not-above-the-law
u crank
05-04-18, 08:53 AM
Trump's new lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, went on to both Sean Hannity and Fox & Friends and confirmed that Trump had known about the Stormy Daniels payment and had, throught another law firm, paid back the $130k to Cohen. (Something Trump had denied previously)
Of course there are two angles to this already. The left wing media/never Trumpers are saying that it is a huge mistake on Giuliani’s part. For a guy with Giuliani’s experience I would be very skeptical that this is the case.
More likely, Giuliani knows that it is true and is getting it out there first. He knew it would come out eventually. He didn't tell the WH first because ,you know....leaks. As to whether Trump lied on Air Force One when he said he didn’t know anything about the payment to Daniels timing would be everything. When did Trump find out about the payment? According to his attorney, Trump knew nothing of the payout at the time it was paid, and even while repaying it was not aware exactly what Cohen had fixed.
Is someone lying? Someone is always lying.:yep:
Catfish
05-04-18, 09:07 AM
“You were here long before any of us were here,” he told the elderly code talkers. “Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago. They call her Pocahontas.”
Is someone lying? Someone is always lying.:yep:
Exactly and lying to the press (especially) is not a crime, heck it's almost a presidential job description. Some of the more (in)famous examples:
"If you like your health care plan you can keep it."
"Unprovoked attack by north Vietnamese gun boats"
"(The Mexicans) invaded our territory and shed the blood of our fellow-citizens on our own soil."
"We did not, I repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else [to Iran] for hostages, nor will we." (in fairness Reagan copped to the lie later on)
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.” (Clinton copped to it later as well)
"I have previously stated, and I repeat now, that the United States plans no military intervention in Cuba."
"Do the people of the South really entertain fears that a Republican administration would, directly or indirectly, interfere with their slaves, or with them, about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you, as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears."
"I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars,"
"I am fighting to keep our people out of foreign wars. And I will keep on fighting,"
"Your president says this country is not going to war."
“You were here long before any of us were here,” he told the elderly code talkers. “Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago. They call her Pocahontas.”
Can you point out the lie in that statement?
Mr Quatro
05-04-18, 10:17 AM
Of course there are two angles to this already. The left wing media/never Trumpers are saying that it is a huge mistake on Giuliani’s part. For a guy with Giuliani’s experience I would be very skeptical that this is the case.
More likely, Giuliani knows that it is true and is getting it out there first. He knew it would come out eventually. He didn't tell the WH first because ,you know....leaks. As to whether Trump lied on Air Force One when he said he didn’t know anything about the payment to Daniels timing would be everything. When did Trump find out about the payment? According to his attorney, Trump knew nothing of the payout at the time it was paid, and even while repaying it was not aware exactly what Cohen had fixed.
Is someone lying? Someone is always lying.:yep:
I think Gluliani and Trump talked about how to reveal this data ahead of time in a private meeting with Trump knowing full well that he had lied about the payments, plus Cohen was already sure that data was in his files and told Trump so in a private phone call after his office and phone records were searched.
Trump certainly knows where his dick has been which doesn't bother us men voters for sure, but oh those snotty women they care, uh? :o
Trump certainly knows where his dick has been which doesn't bother us men voters for sure, but oh those snotty women they care, uh? :o
Do they? So far I don't see it.
Sailor Steve
05-04-18, 11:21 AM
Is someone lying? Someone is always lying.
I'm stealing that one for my 'Quotes' collection. Expect it in my sig someday. :sunny:
u crank
05-04-18, 11:49 AM
I'm stealing that one for my 'Quotes' collection. Expect it in my sig someday. :sunny:
No problem. Of course there will be a small user fee. Please call this number, 111-123-4567 to get in touch with my liar..I mean lawyer.:know:
Buddahaid
05-04-18, 12:55 PM
Now Trump is saying Rudy doesn't have his facts straight. Pretty funny.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44007320
He hires only the best people!
Can't see it?...
...well, Trump does have small hands...
...and, why, exactly, were you trying to see it?...
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Onkel Neal
05-05-18, 07:47 AM
So, what happened this week:
Trump's new lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, went on to both Sean Hannity and Fox & Friends and confirmed that Trump had known about the Stormy Daniels payment and had, throught another law firm, paid back the $130k to Cohen. (Something Trump had denied previously)
And it's only Friday. :O:
Don't forget, unemployment is down to 3.9%, a 17 year low. :yep:
Catfish
05-05-18, 09:27 AM
^ yes, must be Trump's politics.
Or not.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/193254/unemployment-level-in-the-us-since-1990/
Or did i misunderstand something :hmmm:
I think it should be clear for everyone
If the elected person in charge is disliked and it goes well with the economy and employment, then it is because of something else and not because of the politics the elected are running.
If the elected is popular-then everything that goes well is because of this person. Anything that may go not so well is the others fault, not the elected.
Markus
Onkel Neal
05-05-18, 01:47 PM
Marcus you have it right. If Obama was President now he would have gotten his fourth sainthood for the economy
Skybird
05-05-18, 03:52 PM
Marcus you have it right. If Obama was President now he would have gotten his fourth sainthood for the economy
And the 2018 literature Nobel prize for his biography :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1K8s-tQGqY
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u crank
05-07-18, 05:16 PM
https://i.imgur.com/rFTLarR.jpg
Couples of weeks ago I asked if there was any really hardc....(not writing the fully word)official trump supporters.
Today in the weekly "The world according to Trump", I was told, Roseanne Barr is a truly Trump supporter.
Markus
Rockstar
05-07-18, 05:45 PM
Fearing the news is too boring, Ron says, “I just don’t know why we have to tell the people what they need to hear. Why can’t we just tell them what they want to hear?”
https://img.maximummedia.ie/joe_ie/eyJkYXRhIjoie1widXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvbWVkaW Etam9lLm1heGltdW1tZWRpYS5pZS5zMy5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29t XFxcL3dwLWNvbnRlbnRcXFwvdXBsb2Fkc1xcXC8yMDE0XFxcLz A2XFxcL2FuY2hvcm1hbjguanBnXCIsXCJ3aWR0aFwiOjc2Nyxc ImhlaWdodFwiOjQzMSxcImRlZmF1bHRcIjpcImh0dHBzOlxcXC 9cXFwvd3d3LmpvZS5pZVxcXC9hc3NldHNcXFwvaW1hZ2VzXFxc L2pvZVxcXC9uby1pbWFnZS5wbmc_dj01XCJ9IiwiaGFzaCI6Im MxM2QyNTYxODRjNjZkNTQzMWYxZjMzMTJkMWJkZGU5NjM1MmEz NGIifQ==/anchorman8.jpg
Remember when the ratings-obsessed news craze came under fire by real-life funny anchorman Jon Stewart, who blasted the absurdity of CNN’s incessant media coverage of missing Malaysian airlines flight MH370. Black holes, supernatural phenomena, and psychics were all speculated on having a role in the disappearance. Mentioning the fact that Fox News, another 24-hour news network, also criticized CNN’s over-coverage, Stewart quipped, “You better be careful, O’Reilly! Or Fox’s coverage of CNN’s over-coverage will be covered… by CNN!” And then showed another clip of that exact thing: CNN commentators responding to Fox News’s coverage of their over-coverage. The entire thing would have been funny if it wasn’t so painful.
https://www.popmatters.com/180410-anchorman-2-the-legend-continues-2495671941.html
em2nought
05-07-18, 07:39 PM
https://i.imgur.com/rFTLarR.jpg (http://https://i.imgur.com/rFTLarR.jpg)
There's probably a jet packed with cash being offered to Dear Leader as we speak if he'll only say "Trump ruined the peace process". Hmm, where is John Kerry at the moment?
http://www.iran-daily.com/content/imgcache/file/176443/0/image_650_365.jpg
Buddahaid
05-07-18, 08:12 PM
Our Dear Leader?
Oops...
...He may have tipped his hand...
...is he maybe really an NK web troll/plant or maybe one of Putin's pets?... :hmmm: :03: :D
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There's probably a jet packed with cash being offered to Dear Leader as we speak if he'll only say "Trump ruined the peace process". Hmm, where is John Kerry at the moment?
http://www.iran-daily.com/content/imgcache/file/176443/0/image_650_365.jpg
Hey isn't that a picture of the money Obama shipped to the Iranians?
Buddahaid
05-07-18, 10:14 PM
No, it's the money Trump bilked from contractors.
Rockstar
05-08-18, 08:42 AM
Could be part of that 218 billion dollar monthly surplus the Washington Times wrote about. :yeah:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/7/cbo-says-april-was-best-month-history-us-budget/
Catfish
05-08-18, 03:16 PM
Iran treaty broken:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-congress-calls/us-withdrawing-from-iran-deal-with-window-before-reimposing-sanctions-sources-idUSKBN1I92JZ
Iran is said to prepare for a strike, but maybe this is only iranian propaganda..
will see how this turns out, in the end.
"Minutes before Trump’s announcement, Israel said it had instructed local authorities in the Israeli-held Golan Heights to “unlock and ready (bomb) shelters” after identifying what the military described as “irregular activity of Iranian forces in Syria.” "
"The Europeans must now scramble to decide their own course of action with Tehran. China and Russia also are signatories to the Iran deal."
:hmmm:
But i find the Black cube deal also to be a bit.. troublesome
"The idea was that people acting for Trump would discredit those who were pivotal in selling the deal, making it easier to pull out of it.”
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Trump-aides-hired-Israeli-spy-firm-to-discredit-Iran-nuclear-deal-553594
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/05/trump-israel-private-security-iran-nuclear-deal-analysis
Mr Quatro
05-08-18, 03:57 PM
Iran treaty broken:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-congress-calls/us-withdrawing-from-iran-deal-with-window-before-reimposing-sanctions-sources-idUSKBN1I92JZ
Iran is said to prepare for a strike, but maybe this is only iranian propaganda..
will see how this turns out, in the end.
"Minutes before Trump’s announcement, Israel said it had instructed local authorities in the Israeli-held Golan Heights to “unlock and ready (bomb) shelters” after identifying what the military described as “irregular activity of Iranian forces in Syria.” "
"The Europeans must now scramble to decide their own course of action with Tehran. China and Russia also are signatories to the Iran deal."
:hmmm:
But i find the Black cube deal also to be a bit.. troublesome
"The idea was that people acting for Trump would discredit those who were pivotal in selling the deal, making it easier to pull out of it.”
May 14th is the 70th anniversary of the statehood of Israel ... 70 years is usually viewed a s a bible prophesy in the old testament,
plus the parliament of Israel (just a few days ago) has given a complete go ahead to wage war with Iran if necessary without any further approval.
This threat from Iran was issued a month ago, but is still a threat today.
Top Iranian cleric warns Hezbollah can raze Haifa and Tel Aviv to the ground
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-iranian-cleric-warns-hezbollah-can-raze-haifa-and-tel-aviv-to-the-ground/
More than 4,000 missiles were fired at Israel during the 34-day 2006 war, prompting massive numbers of residents to flee their homes. The conflict left 163 Israeli soldiers and civilians dead. On the Lebanese side, there were more than 1,000 dead.
Israel believes Hezbollah currently possesses approximately 120,000 missiles and rockets in Lebanon. In a future war, the IDF estimates that the Iran-backed group will launch over a thousand rockets a day at Israel.
My question in all this.
Where does USA stand in this ?
I know there is a special relation between these two countries.
If Iran and/or Hezbollah does attack Israel, will USA support Israel directly or in-directly ?
Markus
u crank
05-08-18, 05:02 PM
If Iran and/or Hezbollah does attack Israel, will USA support Israel directly or in-directly ?
I don't think Iran would ever attack Israel directly. That would draw a huge response from Israel. Not sure what would happen if their proxy army, Hezbollah were to try something but I would guess it would be a similar action.
Could be part of that 218 billion dollar monthly surplus the Washington Times wrote about. :yeah:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/7/cbo-says-april-was-best-month-history-us-budget/
Not possible. Democrats claimed that no good could come of the Trump tax breaks.
Skybird
05-08-18, 05:39 PM
Big slap in Macronman's and Angie's face, can't say I am crying. EU high representative (oh those megalomianiac titles...) full of boasting words, but cannot offer any action in deeds to confront the US here. The Donald threatened sanctions on every country, including the EU'S own provinces, that does deals with Iran, and I think one by one all those companies will fall in line and leave the EU leadership standing alone in the rain.
Its the complete collapse of European wishful thinking about how to wish Iran into compliance. I think there were too many holes in that "treaty", and it allowed the Iranians to buy time - without giving up their reaching-out for the bomb. European and Obamanian Chamberlainitis was the father of the reasoning behind doing that treaty with Iran.
The EU has been shown its place- and how tiny and diplomatically weak and meaningless it is when the global big boys speak and do. Everybody, laugh out loud - all laughs are righfully on the EU.
However, I think it also is a Donaldarian bluff. I do not think that the Us is ready or willing any time soon to possibly attack Iran in strength, if need arises. And the EU is neither willing nor capable anyway. Britain is leaving, Germany's military is check mate, and France alone is both traditionally too Israel-critical and also too small in numbers as if it could bomb the bomb program out of Iran. If Iran now relaunches its porgram openly (it never was shut down I am 100% certain), it just will find the cause uif buying high tehc compnents more difficult, seeing a delay. They hoped with this now obsolete treaty to find that easier and one day suddenly suprise the world with solid facts, like Pakistan did. And the European howling over broken treaties then would havbe been meaningless anyway.
The international nuclear watchdog of the UN has been totally compromised since the reign of El Baradei, they cannot be trusted anymore, never again, and are no objective, neutral player. I couldn't care less for what they now say. That the dishes I have washed in the kitchen earlier this evening still has not fully dried, is far more important than what the watchdog has to say.
I don't think Iran would ever attack Israel directly. That would draw a huge response from Israel. Not sure what would happen if their proxy army, Hezbollah were to try something but I would guess it would be a similar action.
Should have mentioned Syria
A Danish politician had posted a twitter where it said something about irregular Iranian activity among the Syrian border.
Edit
Have just read in an English article,
Iranian bases in Syria have been attacked.
It should have happened about 1-2 hours ago.
Markus
Rockstar
05-08-18, 06:03 PM
Nuke deal in a nutshell.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/31/world/middleeast/simple-guide-nuclear-talks-iran-us.html?_r=0
More than twice the size of Texas in area, Iran poses many challenges for atomic inspectors who have to police the agreement and gain access not only to scientists, labs and factories, but also to many underground sites and military bases. Western allies say the new inspections must be far more intrusive than those in the past, given the deal’s sweeping terms as well as Iran’s history of evasions, stonewalling and illicit procurements. The principal concerns are how to detect cheating and covert sites.
The problem I've been reading are claims Iran has already been violating the agreement long before Trump took office.
I just hope they have more evidence than little toy trucks and artist renditions
em2nought
05-08-18, 10:19 PM
Too bad about that airliner full of money though. Next time we send them an airliner full of money we should put exploding dye packs in it. :D
Buddahaid
05-08-18, 10:35 PM
We? Them?
Jimbuna
05-09-18, 06:11 AM
Hardly surprised at Trumps actions all things considered but I'm not sure the US or Israel will attack Iran either.
Certainty would come if Iran followed Syrias lead and invite the Russians to form a military presence in their country.
Skybird
05-09-18, 06:36 AM
What the Europeans stubbornly refuse to realise: since the treaty came into effect and economic deals were possible again and money flushed into Iran, Ian's foreign politlical aggressiveness has increased and its engagement in establishing military spearheads outside its borders and its engagement in financing Islamic terror have significantly increased as well.
https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/35296046/serveimage.jpg (https://www.pic-upload.de)
u crank
05-09-18, 07:49 AM
It was not a treaty in the exact definition of that term.
Treaties are international agreements which are described under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution. A treaty is forced in relation to the U.S. as an international agreement only after a two-thirds majority of the U.S. Senate has been advised and consented.
A treaty is a formal agreement made by the President of the U.S. It is carried over to the successive officeholders.
The international agreements which are brought to force in relation to the U.S. without the advice and consent of the Senate on a Constitutional basis are called executive agreements. They are often referred to as “international agreements other than treaties.” An executive agreement does not require a mandatory two-thirds vote of the U.S. Senate.
They are not binding on the successive presidents. An executive agreement needs renegotiation by the successive presidents.
http://www.differencebetween.net/language/words-
language/difference-between-treaty-and-executive-agreement/ (http://www.differencebetween.net/language/words-language/difference-between-treaty-and-executive-agreement/)
This should be a lesson to future Presidents. Ruling by executive order is not the way to go. Obama is finding that out now.
Interesting article. Another indication that the so called "blue wave" may just be wishful thinking by the Dems and their media shills.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/05/09/hispanics_score_under_trump_136998.html
Hispanics Score Under Trump
COMMENTARY
By Steve Cortes (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/authors/steve_cortes/)
May 09, 2018
It’s baseball season in America, and any fan knows that going 6 for 7 in batting is stellar. Well, President Trump just pulled off a 6 for 7 performance -- not in at-plate appearances but instead in an arena far more crucial: record jobs gains for Hispanic Americans.
Among Latinos, the jobless rate has only registered below 5 percent for seven months total – in the history of this country. Six of those months have occurred with Donald Trump in the White House, including the April report released last week.
The jobs data was terrific news for Americans of all ethnicities. For the first time since the year 2000, the overall unemployment rate dipped below 4 percent. Just as significant, almost 1 million Americans who had previously given up on finding a job have rejoined the workforce since Trump was elected.
This movement toward self-sufficiency is a notable achievement for all Americans, but particular focus should be placed on the gains for communities of color. Why? Because identity politics and Democrats’ Big Government policies have failed minorities. Only now, at long last, are those communities beginning to realize their potential, which has clearly been unleashed with help from the pro-growth Trump administration economic policies of deregulation, tax cuts, and border enforcement.
Interesting article. Another indication that the so called "blue wave" may just be wishful thinking by the Dems and their media shills.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/05/09/hispanics_score_under_trump_136998.html
The unemployment rate of Hispanics have been steadily decreasing since 2010 and shows no increased rate of decrease.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000009
Same goes for blacks:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
So, might want to hold off on that confeve confetti for now.
Hardly surprised at Trumps actions all things considered but I'm not sure the US or Israel will attack Iran either.
Certainty would come if Iran followed Syrias lead and invite the Russians to form a military presence in their country.
Yes I do not know how much longer Israel can afford to not strike first. I do not think they will gamble much longer and take decisive action to ensure they're survival as a people even if it means going it alone.:arrgh!:
Mr Quatro
05-09-18, 11:21 AM
Yes I do not know how much longer Israel can afford to not strike first. I do not think they will gamble much longer and take decisive action to ensure they're survival as a people even if it means going it alone.:arrgh!:
Welcome back iceman :up: ... long time no see :o
The unemployment rate of Hispanics have been steadily decreasing since 2010 and shows no increased rate of decrease.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000009
Same goes for blacks:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
So, might want to hold off on that confeve confetti for now.
Actually, if you look at the trends across the economy, there has been a steady rate of increase/decrease (depending of which part of the economy is being discussed) since the beginning of the recovery from the 2007-08 crash, through the Obama years and continuing now; any impact anything Trump may have done is just not showing up, for good or bad; however, all that may change if oil/gas consumer prices rise due to actions like the Iran deal cancellation (although I was pretty sure the prices would rise regardless once the tax cuts went into effect: the oil companies have a strangely "coincidental" knack for randomly increasing their pump prices when 'extra' money ends up in the pockets of working Americans :03:), and there are also other pending Trump actions such as the threatened tariff impositions/increases that would definitely have an effect on across-the-board consumer prices for working Americans and, likely, an effect on jobs as businesses also have to deal with higher prices for goods and services...
All in all, what Trump has been threatening or doing will be reflected in the coming quarters and probably not for the good...
Bottom line: those tax cut benefits promised to working Americans will most likely evaporate in higher prices and then some...
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Bilge_Rat
05-09-18, 02:31 PM
This should be a lesson to future Presidents. Ruling by executive order is not the way to go. Obama is finding that out now.
yup, if you go back to when the agreement was negotiated, you see Obama did not submit to the Senate (which would have made it a legally binding Treaty) since he knew it would be rejected.
desepticon
05-09-18, 03:27 PM
Well, maybe he could have gone to the Senate for a lot of things, if they hadn't decided already that Obama wasn't allowed to do anything. Battling that kind of intransigence, it's amazing he got anything done.
Rockstar
05-09-18, 06:02 PM
Oil Price Forecast 2018 - 2050
How Oil Prices Could Rise Above $200 a Barrel
https://www.thebalance.com/oil-price-forecast-3306219
Four Reasons for Volatile Oil Prices
Prices have been volatile thanks to swings in oil supply. Oil prices used to have a predictable seasonal swing. They spiked in the spring, as oil traders anticipated high demand for summer vacation driving. Once demand peaked, prices dropped in the fall and winter.
So why are oil prices no longer as predictable? The oil industry has changed in four fundamental ways.
First, U.S. production of shale oil and alternative fuels, such as ethanol, began increasing in 2015. U.S. fuel production was 10.4 million barrels/day in 2018. The EIA estimates it will average 10.7 million b/d in 2018, the highest annual average production in U.S. history. It would beat the previous record of 9.6 million b/d set in 1970. Production averaged 9.3 million b/d in 2017. The EIA forecast that oil production will average 11.4 million b/d in 2019.
Why is the United States producing so much oil at historically low prices? Many shale oil producers have become more efficient at extracting oil. They've found ways to keep wells open, saving them the cost of capping them. At the same time, massive oil wells in the Gulf, began producing in large quantities. They couldn't stop production regardless of low oil prices. As a result, large traditional oil enterprises stopped exploring new reserves. These companies include Exxon-Mobil, BP, Chevron, and Royal Dutch Shell. It was cheaper for them to buy the less efficient shale oil companies. The International Energy Administration predictsthat the United States will become the world's largest oil producer by 2023. The U.S. oil industry will grow enough to meet domestic demand. To do so, it must find the right balance. It must increase supply slowly enough to keep prices high enough to pay for increasing exploration.
Second, OPEC reduced output to put a floor under prices. On November 30, 2016, its members agreed to cut production by 1.2 million b/d by January 2017. Prices began rising right after the OPEC announcement. On November 30, 2017, OPEC agreed to continue the production cuts through 2018. OPEC's cuts lowered production to 32.5 million b/d. The EIA estimates OPEC will produce 32.8 million b/d in 2018. But both figures are still higher than its 2015 average of 32.32 million b/d.
Throughout its history, OPEC controlled production to maintain a $70/b price target. In 2014, it abandoned this policy.
Saudi Arabia, OPEC's biggest contributor, lowered its price to its largest customers in October 2014. It did not want to lose market share to its arch rival, Iran. These two countries' rivalry stems from the conflict between the Sunni and Shiite branches of Islam. Iran promised to double its oil exports to 2.4 million b/d once sanctions were lifted. The 2015 nuclear peace treaty lifted 2010 economic sanctions and allowed Saudi Arabia's biggest rival to export oil again in 2016.
Saudi Arabia also did not want to lose market share to U.S. shale oil producers. It bet that lower prices would force many U.S. shale producers out of business and reduce its competition. It was right. At first, shale producers found ways to keep the oil pumping. Thanks to increased U.S. supply, demand for OPEC oil fell from 30 million b/d in 2014 to 29 million b/d in 2015. But the strong dollar meant OPEC countries could remain profitable at lower oil prices. Rather than lose market share, OPEC kept its production target at 30 million b/d. The lower prices caused 2016 U.S. oil production to fall to 8.9 million b/d. Less efficient shale producers either cut back or were bought out. That reduced supply by around 10 percent, creating a boom and bust in U.S. shale oil..
Third, foreign exchange traders drove up the value of the dollar by 25 percent in 2014 and 2015. All oil transactions are paid in U.S. dollars. The strong dollar helped cause some of the 70 percent decline in the price of petroleum for exporting countries. Most oil-exporting countries peg their currencies to the dollar. Therefore, a 25 percent rise in the dollar offsets a 25 percent drop in oil prices. Global uncertainty is one factor that akes the dollar so strong. The dollar's value has been falling since December 2016, according to the DXY interactive chart. On December 11, 2016, the USDX was 102.95. In early 2017, hedge funds began shorting the dollar as Europe's economy improved. As the euro rose, the dollar fell. By April 11, 2018, it had fallen to 89.53.
Fourth, global demand grew more slowly than anticipated. It only rose to 93.3 million b/d in 2015, from 92.4 million b/d in 2014, according to the IEA. Most of the increase was from China, which now consumes 12 percent of global oil production. Since its economic reforms slowed its growth, global demand growth may continue slow down.Other websites I've visited has people that have been predicting current prices (+/-) as far back as 2016 but nobody at those grown-up sites ever mentions "damn him" Trump as a reason why.
I was listening to NPR on the way home from work last night. Seems the guests on one program had concerns how much of an attention hound Trump really is and how much he probably loves it. Concerned how the media is always all Trump 24 hrs since his inauguration and how that kind of coverage might help get him re-elected. God help us all :doh:
Skybird
05-09-18, 06:18 PM
Career politicians and professional attention getters always try to reap what not necessarily has been sown by themselves.
Oil Price Forecast 2018 - 2050
How Oil Prices Could Rise Above $200 a Barrel
https://www.thebalance.com/oil-price-forecast-3306219
Other websites I've visited has people that have been predicting current prices (+/-) as far back as 2016 but nobody at those grown-up sites ever mentions "damn him" Trump as a reason why.
I was listening to NPR on the way home from work last night. Seems the guests on one program had concerns how much of an attention hound Trump really is and how much he probably loves it. Concerned how the media is always all Trump 24 hrs since his inauguration and how that kind of coverage might help get him re-elected. God help us all :doh:
Well, since Trump has been running his presidency as a shambolic reality show and just about begging all and sundry to pay attention only to him and his idiocies, the media attention you criticize is thus easily explained; after all, Trump is very much the Kim Kardassian of US politics, with all the tawdry and tacky implications contained therein. Consider what would happen if the media just started ignoring Trump altogether: with his constant need to feed his over-inflated ego, he would either probably implode or act out like some spoiled child having a temper tantrum... :haha:
Trump likes to consider himself (and demands those around him to also consider him) to be the smartest guy in the room, wherever he is and regardless of who else might be in the same room; the sad fact is you could lock Trump in a very small bathroom by himself and he still wouldn't be the smartest guy, or thing, in that room...
The Balance is a website that is part of what remains of the old Ask.com group. Maybe it would be a good idea to see what other 'grown ups' have to say about the effect of Trump's decision re; Iran might have on oil prices, the Us economy, and the working American's hopes for any gin under the tax cuts:
Trump's Iran nuclear deal withdrawal could also have major economic consequences for average Americans --
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-impact-oil-gas-prices-tax-cut-savings-2018-5
...and, remember, the effect is linked to more than just the Iran deal: Trump's imposition of new and/or increased tariffs will also cut into any 'gains' made by the tax cuts. One thing I'm pretty sure of: if the economy goes south and Trump needs to raise revenue, he won't be putting the bite on his fellow One-Per Centers, who have a permanent and very generous tax cut package; as it has always been, the pain will be felt by the working Americans as Trump will feel no compunction about using raised taxes, fees, and other "revenue enhancements" (as Regan/Bush used to characterize what others would simply call takes) in order to make up for his ill-advised, ignorant, short-sighted economic policies...
...and the porcelain will still be the smartest thing in that room...
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Rockstar
05-09-18, 08:37 PM
According to an article in al Arabiya and a press release from the Ministry of Energy the Saudis appear to support the U.S. decision to leave the Iran deal. Which confirms in part price variance reason number Two of the Balance article.
Riyadh, Sha'ban 22, 1439, May 08, 2018, SPA -- Following the US decision to withdraw from the nuclear agreement with Iran, an official spokesman of the Ministry of Energy, Industry and Mineral Resources, assured that Saudi Arabia remains committed to supporting the stability of oil markets for the benefit of producers and consumers alike, and for sustaining growth in the global economy. He added that the kingdom would work with major producers within and outside OPEC as well as major consumers to mitigate the impact of any potential supply shortages.
How it will affect us at home is yet to be seen. But the decision of the U.S. to leave the deal sure makes the Sunnis very happy.
Catfish
05-10-18, 06:26 AM
^ Next move: Russian oil.
Rockstar
05-10-18, 09:27 AM
When 'the Iran deal' sanctions were lifted. Iran took that new found wealth from oil exports and invested it in shiite rebel operations in Syria and Yemen.
Mr Quatro
05-10-18, 01:26 PM
^ Next move: Russian oil.
When 'the Iran deal' sanctions were lifted. Iran took that new found wealth from oil exports and invested it in shiite rebel operations in Syria and Yemen.
So true for both of you: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-10/new-york-drivers-may-get-more-siberian-tiger-in-their-tanks
President Donald Trump doesn’t like high oil prices. What would he think about the higher prices attracting Russian-made gasoline to the U.S. Atlantic shores?
East Coast drivers could be putting Russian gasoline into their fuel tanks without even knowing it.
Rockstar
05-10-18, 01:51 PM
As an east coast driver myself I'll tellya. So long as the prices are reasonable I dont give a rats arse where the gas comes from.
I'm skeptical of Saudi "assurances". The Saudis have been hurting when oil prices dropped or stayed level but have seen a boon when prices rise sharply and have not been shy about taking advantage in the past of prices escalations, regardless of cause. also keep in mind how they actively sought to torpedo, and actually did, the rise of shale oil and fracking production in the US by glutting the market with their oil. One thing is 'assured'; if something is in the Saudis' interests, all their other "assurances" are moot...
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What's as bad as a "witch hunt"? How about a whitewash?:
Release of Thousands of Russia-Linked Facebook Ads Shows How Propaganda Sharpened --
https://www.wsj.com/articles/full-stock-of-russia-linked-facebook-ads-shows-how-propaganda-sharpened-1525960804
The release of the ads comes weeks after Republicans on the Intelligence Committee ended their yearlong probe into Russia’s activity during the 2016 election. Their report concluded that there were no signs of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, angering Democrats who said the investigation was far from over.
“Russian malign influence activities on Facebook were significant but they were not well-funded or large-scale operations relative to the overall scope of election-related activity on these platforms,” the GOP-authored report concluded.
“Russia sought to divide us by our race, by our country of origin, by our religion, and by our political party,” Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement about the newly released documents. “They sought to harness Americans’ very real frustrations and anger over sensitive political matters in order to influence American thinking, voting and behavior.”
Republicans on the committee didn’t respond late Wednesday to a request for comment on Democrats’ plans to release the ads, which The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday.
Yeah, I guess the GOP committee members would find it difficult to comment on their 'comprehensive' and 'through' investigation, led by Nunes The Nitwit, and how they missed the слон (Russian for elephant) in the room...
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Rockstar
05-10-18, 05:38 PM
Russia sought to divide us by our race, by our country of origin, by our religion, and by our political party,” Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement about the newly released documents. “They sought to harness Americans’ very real frustrations and anger over sensitive political matters in order to influence American thinking, voting and behavior.”
LOL. OMG Schiff just described the very methods of our own Republican and Democratic parties
He takes the meaning of, hypocrisy blamshifting, arrogance and weasel to new levels.
Mr Quatro
05-10-18, 05:53 PM
Didn't Russia promise to bury us a long time ago, perhaps Khrushchev said that?
Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev (15 April 1894 – 11 September 1971) was a Soviet statesman who led the Soviet Union during part of the Cold War as the First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1953 to 1964, and as Chairman of the Council of Ministers, or Premier, from 1958 to 1964. Khrushchev was responsible for the de-Stalinization of the Soviet Union, for backing the progress of the early Soviet space program, and for several relatively liberal reforms in areas of domestic policy. Khrushchev's party colleagues removed him from power in 1964
Russia has gone from a cold war to a bold war ... they are now the enemy within :yep:
Russia sought to divide us by our race, by our country of origin, by our religion, and by our political party,” Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement about the newly released documents. “They sought to harness Americans’ very real frustrations and anger over sensitive political matters in order to influence American thinking, voting and behavior.”
LOL. OMG Schiff just described the very methods of our own Republican and Democratic parties
He takes the meaning of, hypocrisy blamshifting, arrogance and weasel to new levels.
So, basically, you're saying if US political parties engage in certain underhanded activities, you find it perfectly alright, are perfectly content with foreign powers,hostile foreign powers being allowed to engage in the the subversion, perversion, and erosion of the US government and principles? Say, you haven't been getting some rubles sent your way from your friends in Putinland, by any chance?...
You take "the meaning of, hypocrisy blamshifting, arrogance and weasel to new levels."...
...very low levels...
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Rockstar
05-10-18, 07:43 PM
Putting words in my mouth isnt much of an arguement. I never said it was alright for anyone to do such things.
What I did say is those who, in this case happens to Schiff complain about someone doing to him what he does to them AND his own people is an arrogant, hypocrite, weasel, and blameshifter.
Russia sought to divide us by our race, by our country of origin, by our religion, and by our political party,” Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement about the newly released documents. “They sought to harness Americans’ very real frustrations and anger over sensitive political matters in order to influence American thinking, voting and behavior.”
LOL. OMG Schiff just described the very methods of our own Republican and Democratic parties
He takes the meaning of, hypocrisy blamshifting, arrogance and weasel to new levels.
The Republicans are certainly no angels but the Dems have taken it to new levels:
Under the Obama administration’s watch, the Internal Revenue Service and other federal agencies from the BATF to the NLRB were illegally used to target and harass the president’s political enemies. The IRS targeting scandal was the most high-profile of these, but others are just as worrisome. Federal investigations and congressional oversight were obstructed, and investigators were lied to outright — a serious crime. The administration protected the wrongdoers and saw to it that they retired with generous federal pensions rather than serving federal sentences for their crimes.
The Obama administration oversaw the illegal sale of arms to Mexican traffickers for purposes that to this date have not been adequately explained, and those guns have been used to murder American law-enforcement officers.
President Obama’s secretary of state was involved in a high-profile case in which she improperly set up a private e-mail system to evade ordinary governmental oversight; she and her associates routinely misled investigators, obstructed investigations, and hid or destroyed evidence.
These are all serious crimes.
The Obama administration made ransom payments to the Iranian government and lied about having done so.
Under the Obama administration, the Secret Service has been a one-agency scandal factory, from drunk agents driving their cars into White House barriers to getting mixed up with hookers in Cartagena.
Under the guise of developing “green” energy projects, the Obama administration shunted money to politically connected cronies at Solyndra and elsewhere.
Obama’s men at the Veterans Administration oversaw a system in which our servicemen lost their lives to bureaucratic incompetence and medical neglect, and then falsified records to cover it up.
Under the flimsiest of national-security pretexts, the Obama administration used the Department of Justice to spy on Fox News reporter James Rosen. It also spied on the Associated Press.
The Obama administration’s attorney general, Eric Holder, left office while being held in contempt of Congress for inhibiting the investigation of other Obama administration scandals.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/01/obamas-many-scandals-abuse-government-power-worse-sex-scandals/
Putting words in my mouth isnt much of an arguement. I never said it was alright for anyone to do such things.
What I did say is those who, in this case happens to Schiff complain about someone doing to him what he does to them AND his own people is an arrogant, hypocrite, weasel, and blameshifter.
Perhaps, but are the facts he has exposed actually wrong and the criminality of the actions of those who facilitated Russian efforts not criminal just because Schiff, in your view, is corrupt himself? I ask this because the Trumpers demand the rest of the US accept as Holy Writ the utterances and actions of a person, Trump, who has a very long record of lying, fraud, deceit, dodging personal responsibility, falsely defaming others and a whole range of other transgressions moral people would find repugnant. Now that you have expressed your moral repugnance of Schiif and your evaluation of his actions, the rest of us in the counrty can now be confident that we can justifiably consider Trump an "arrogant, hypocrite, weasel, and blameshifter" Why, whaddya know, the very description/definition you have given fits Donny to a "T"...
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Rockstar
05-10-18, 08:43 PM
Perhaps, but are the facts he has exposed actually wrong and the criminality of the actions of those who facilitated Russian efforts not criminal just because Schiff, in your view, is corrupt himself? I ask this because the Trumpers demand the rest of the US accept as Holy Writ the utterances and actions of a person, Trump, who has a very long record of lying, fraud, deceit, dodging personal responsibility, falsely defaming others and a whole range of other transgressions moral people would find repugnant. Now that you have expressed your moral repugnance of Schiif and your evaluation of his actions, the rest of us in the counrty can now be confident that we can justifiably consider Trump an "arrogant, hypocrite, weasel, and blameshifter" Why, whaddya know, the very description/definition you have given fits Donny to a "T"...
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Ok you win a cookie. I'll give ya this though you're about as predictable as they come. bye bye
Welcome back iceman :up: ... long time no see :o
Hey thank you....:subsim: is home port been out on long range patrol...jk but always have loved this site for the wealth of information in regards to Submarines...and the great awesome "General" category...this section is better than any news networks combined having all you great people here...Good to see all of you still alive and kicking as well :up::D ...what a topic huh...? Trump was the lesser of two evils at the time I admit I voted for him as I could not bring myself to vote Hillary with all her debacles...I must say he, Trump, is an unbridled wild one...he certainly proves the saying, The tongue is an unruly evil that no man can tame...he encapsulates that proverb. I do like the upset of the status quo in American politics he has caused. Change I believe is good sometimes very painful but good no matter the initial cause of it...anyways I'll be around gents.
:Kaleun_Cheers:
Mr Quatro
05-11-18, 09:48 AM
Trump was the lesser of two evils at the time I admit I voted for him as I could not bring myself to vote Hillary with all her debacles...I must say he, Trump, is an unbridled wild one...he certainly proves the saying, The tongue is an unruly evil that no man can tame...he encapsulates that proverb. I do like the upset of the status quo in American politics he has caused. Change I believe is good sometimes very painful but good no matter the initial cause of it...anyways I'll be around gents.
:Kaleun_Cheers:
Key words: "Trump was the lesser of the two evils" The next national election will be an even bigger circus than the last one ...
Glad your back and "I'll be around gents" thanks for the warning. :D
Bleiente
05-11-18, 03:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD9Twwqdx-c
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Catfish
05-11-18, 03:40 PM
Unfortunately this.. something has the power to start wars. Unbelievable.
Bleiente
05-12-18, 02:26 PM
I think the US needs a caliber president like Theodore Roosevelt right now.
This stroke-stricken Trump, along with his entire family, is finally expropriated ...
But well - the Trump's are actually only debt ... big debts.
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I think the US needs a caliber president like Theodore Roosevelt right now.
This stroke-stricken Trump, along with his entire family, is finally expropriated ...
But well - the Trump's are actually only debt ... big debts.
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What? :hmmm:
He may be referring to the huge (or "Yuuuuge!!") debts Trump has accrued; he can no longer get loans from any of the major US banks due to four bankruptcies and his history of underpaying or just not paying back debts; as a result, he had to go overseas to find financing and just about the only major bank that is willing to do business with Trump is Deutsche Bank, but even that arrangement is troublesome for Trump; DB has been riddled with charges of money laundering, insider trading and all other manner of financial ill-doing and illegal doings; DB has been fined numerous times, often for very large amounts and is still the subject of several ongoing probes in various countries; months before Trump was elected, there were several news reports in financial and non-financial press outlets about Trump's DB loans rumored to have been either underwritten or vouched for by at least one Russian oligarch connected to Putin; the Russian/DB/Trump connection has also become a part of Mueller investigations...
Again, please note: the reports of Trump's problems and, particularly, possible Russian connections were reported shortly after he announced his candidacy and as a result of increased scrutiny his announcement precipitated...
Way back when I started working in accounting, I learned of a phrase used to describe certain bank clients who were often deemed risks; the phases is "Paper Rich, Pocket Poor"; it was used to describe clients who had the appearance of wealth and prosperity, but, due to very high debt, and if their debts were to be suddenly called in, would be actually hard put to raise actual cash; There are many who believe Trump's claimed wealth, already shown to be less than claimed by himself, may be even more substantially smaller...
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Bilge_Rat
05-13-18, 05:54 AM
so, more and more evidence that Comey is lying when he said he never told Congress that Flynn was unlikely to be charged. Is anyone surprised?
Earlier this month, the House Intelligence Committee revealed that then-FBI director James Comey told lawmakers in March 2017 that bureau agents who questioned then-national security adviser Michael Flynn saw no signs that Flynn was lying.
Now, the Senate Judiciary Committee has revealed that Comey told them the same thing, at the same time. In a letter to the Department of Justice and the FBI, committee chairman Sen. Chuck Grassley wrote, "Director Comey specifically told us during that briefing that the FBI agents who interviewed Lt. General Michael Flynn, 'saw nothing that led them to believe [he was] lying.' Our own committee's staff's notes indicate that Mr. Comey said the 'agents saw no change in his demeanor or tone that would say he was being untruthful.'" The Flynn interview took place on January 24, 2017, four days into the Trump administration.
Grassley's letter went farther than the House report to say that Comey "led us to believe…that the Justice Department was unlikely to prosecute [Flynn] for false statements made in that interview."Comey's comments left lawmakers surprised when, in late November 2017, after special counsel Robert Mueller had taken over the Russia investigation, Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.
The House interview was transcribed, and the House committee's report quoted Comey verbatim. The Senate interview was not transcribed, but Grassley referred to "notes taken by a career, non-partisan law enforcement officer who was present."
Comey's statements to the committee, Grassley noted, are "contrary to his public statements during his current book tour denying any memory of those comments." Indeed, during publicity interviews for his book, A Higher Loyalty, Comey has been asked several times whether he told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe Flynn had lied.
"No," Comey told Fox News' Bret Baier. "I don't know what — maybe someone misunderstood something I said. I didn't believe that and didn't say that."
"Not true," Comey told NBC's Chuck Todd.
"I don't know where that's coming from," Comey told ABC's George Stephanopoulos. "That — unless I'm — I said something that people misunderstood, I don't remember even intending to say that. So, my recollection is I never said that to anybody."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senate-chairman-comey-led-us-to-believe-flynn-wouldnt-be-charged
Rockstar
05-13-18, 08:33 AM
Again, please note: the reports of ̶T̶r̶u̶m̶p̶'̶s̶ Obama's problems and, particularly, possible ̶R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶ terrorist connections to Bill Ayers were reported shortly after he announced his candidacy and as a result of increased scrutiny his announcement precipitated...
And in the end the sun still rose in the east and set in the west, the Constitution survived, martial law wasn't imposed nor did he grow horns and usher in the apocalypse.
Seems in politics nothing but the names ever change.
Mr Quatro
05-13-18, 09:24 AM
so, more and more evidence that Comey is lying when he said
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senate-chairman-comey-led-us-to-believe-flynn-wouldnt-be-charged
Good find Bilge_Rat :up:
Sorry we can't pay you :o
Conrad Black makes some great points as usual:
Those who oppose Trump generally do not understand how desperate and disgusted almost half of Americans are at the most inept twenty-year streak of presidential misgovernment in American history that preceded the 2016 election.
These decades of fruitless war, bone-cracking recession, humanitarian disasters, collapsing alliances, oceanic deficits, and the erosion of economic growth and private sector industrial investment to a third or a quarter of levels under Ronald Reagan, could rattle any American’s patriotic self-confidence.
Trump is a throwback to Reagan in that he rejects the chic defeatism of the establishment; and despite all the media and Democratic Party and Never-Trump calumny of him, his political program is essentially conventional, moderate, conservative wisdom lifted in large part from the policy recommendations of thoroughly respectable conservative think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation. Trump speaks to Americans fearful of decline. He wants, as his slogan says, to make America great again.
To those unaffected by the decline of America, that decline was invisible; to those who were affected by it, it is a challenge and a constant fear for their own welfare and national pride.
The Democrats have had no policy for some years except to denigrate their opponents, and try to bribe and anesthetize a comatose lumpenproletariat addicted to state benefit. Their nomination of Hillary Clinton showed that they did not realize how many Americans rejected this vision of America.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-why-donald-j-trump-is-truly-a-president-like-no-other
recession, decline, collapsing alliances, lol....what has the author of this article smoked ? Are the economic statistics of the last 20 years also 'fake news' ?
The alliances are currently collapsing, due to Trump. (to be fair, the Europeans play their part here also...)
To only move Trump into the direction of Regan is rediculous at the best. Has the author of this genius article read the diaries of Reagan or a biographie of the same? Ronald Regan was the total opposite of Trump in almost every aspect.
When does this 'he is not part of the establishment' nonsense stop? He is part of the establishment...not politics but in the property business...and applying the same principles now in his new job....fire and forget deals....that might work in his former business and for guided missiles....but does not work in his new role.
Does anybody think here that after the great deal maker is gone, the average U.S. citizen will be more prosperous than at the start of this presidency ?
Read the book 'The second machine age' by two MIT folks. They provide no easy solution but explain very well why a lot of people in the west have an worsening economic situation although there is economical growth and provide ideas for discussion to improve the situation. Lowering taxes is not part of it. Not increasing the investments, especially in education and transformation of the whole 'professional life-cycle' of a citizen also not.
Only stubbornly go for ideas of the 80s will also not help...continue this course and the next years will be lost and wasted.
And in the end the sun still rose in the east and set in the west, the Constitution survived, martial law wasn't imposed nor did he grow horns and usher in the apocalypse.
Seems in politics nothing but the names ever change.
Ah, yes, the same old tired fall back: if you can't argue sensibly for Trump or sensibly defend his actions or the actions of those he has employed or those with whom he surrounds himself, drag out a non-sequitur "What about Obama/Clinton/[Fill in any old DEM here]" to deflect and distract rather than actually address or answer the topic at hand. Weak, very, very weak...
As far as Trump being a deal maker, I think four bankruptcies, over 4,000 breach of contract lawsuits brought against him by contractors, big and small, and his long history of trying to work cons speaks volumes about his abilities as a "deal maker" and businessman, not to mention his failure as a human being. The Trumpers have bought into a con and rather than get their Pampers in a bunch, they should wake up to the fact they've been conned...
Oh, and Trump's 'bible' book The Art Of The Deal? Aside from a preface, he didn't write a single word of the book; the guy who ghost-wrote it for Trump has publicly acknowledged, despite several attempts during the writing of the book to engage and involve Trump in the project, Trump expressed no interest at all in the book-writing process; the ghoster said he wasn't even aware of Trump having actually read the finished book before Trump wrote the preface. This means the much vaunted Trump mastery is actually the mastery of a ghost-writer, yet another addition to the long list of Trump phoniness I guess anything over 280 characters is beyond Donny's attention span or interest...
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Bilge_Rat
05-14-18, 02:46 PM
Conrad Black makes some great points as usual:
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-why-donald-j-trump-is-truly-a-president-like-no-other
great find, thanks for posting.
Catfish
05-14-18, 03:03 PM
I just thought I read an article of the Stuermer praising Adolf Hitler
😂
Well, the National Post is a very conservative news source and wears its leanings on its sleeves, so the tone is understandable; taken in that context: meh...
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Rockstar
05-14-18, 03:57 PM
Ah, yes, the same old tired fall back: if you can't argue sensibly for Trump or sensibly defend his actions or the actions of those he has employed or those with whom he surrounds himself, drag out a non-sequitur "What about Obama/Clinton/[Fill in any old DEM here]" to deflect and distract rather than actually address or answer the topic at hand. Weak, very, very weak...
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There ya go again arguing over things I never said. I wasn't arguing for or against Trump or anyone for that matter. Just demonstrating in my own way how I've heard the same words you present about Trump when Obama was in office. I just happen to see it as the same ol' song and dance, same music, same moves, just a different dancer. Its so old and boring. And after all the media hype, hysteria, accusations and finger pointing are over. Nothing ever really changed.
u crank
05-14-18, 04:01 PM
Well, the National Post is a very conservative news source and wears its leanings on its sleeves, so the tone is understandable; taken in that context: meh...
:har:
The National post was founded by Conrad Black in 1998.
Media Bias/Fact Check rates it at just right of center.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-post/
Highbury
05-14-18, 04:02 PM
Conrad Black makes some great points as usual:
Conrad Black is a convicted felon and fraudster. I am sure he and Trump would get along famously.
There ya go again arguing over things I never said. I wasn't arguing for or against Trump or anyone for that matter. Just demonstrating in my own way how I've heard the same words you present about Trump when Obama was in office. I just happen to see it as the same ol' song and dance, same music, same moves, just a different dancer. Its so old and boring. And after all the media hype, hysteria, accusations and finger pointing are over. Nothing ever really changed.
...and, still, you really haven't addressed the actual issues you critcized or decry...
There ya go again, deflecting and distracting...
...same old song and dance... :03:
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Conrad Black is a convicted felon and fraudster. I am sure he and Trump would get along famously.
...and, IIRC, wasn't The Post brought to task for some scurrilous bit of their own "fake news' and had to publicly apologize for the transgression?... :hmmm:
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Bilge_Rat
05-15-18, 05:17 AM
those who hate Trump are so blinded by their rage that they have lost all objectivity. The fact is most voters are happy with the job he is doing. You look at most polls and you see his approval rating is holding steady despite the increasingly desperate coverage from the loony left media.
If you dig down into the poll numbers, you see why. Look at the last Reuters poll, hardly a conservative one by the way:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2018_Reuters_Tracking_-_Core_Political_05_09_2018.pdf
approval rating on specific issues:
-handling US economy: 59%
-employment and jobs: 59%
-dealing with ISIS: 57%
-immigration: 50%
on the other hand:
-the way he treats people like me: 36%
everyone knows Trump is a SOB/bastard/bull****ter/etc. At the end of the day, what do voters really want in a President, a tough SOB like Reagan or a genuinely nice man like Carter....:ping:
u crank
05-15-18, 01:55 PM
Pretty interesting and somewhat scathing article in The Federalist about Special Counsel Robert Mueller. When this whole thing started I, like a lot of people had a fairly high opinion of Mueller but that is long gone. Even a half hearted look into Mueller's past is a head shaking experience. And he seems to be keeping up with his past performances.
What if Mueller were not some sort of avenging angel, but rather just a bumbling bureaucrat? To put it somewhat differently, why assume that the same folks who brought us Amtrak, the U.S. Post Office, and Healthcare.gov somehow knocked it out of the park with the Office of Special Counsel?
Whatever else one might say about Washington DC, it has never been accused of being a meritocracy. Rather, it has always been a place where people trade on connections.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/14/record-proves-robert-mueller-clown-prince-federal-law-enforcement/
....in 2001, he landed the job of a lifetime: director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. His ascendancy did not come without words of warning. Time magazine quoted one former prosecutor, anonymously: “The cynics are saying, let him take over the FBI, it’ll be great theater, and he’ll run it into the ground in six months.” The former prosecutor was wrong. It only took Mueller one week.
Three days after 9/11, he claimed: “There were no warning signs that I’m aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country.”
That was untrue. Indeed, the final House-Senate Joint Intelligence Committee report concluded that 9/11 might have been prevented had the FBI been on alert.
Are we to believe that Robert Mueller is going to be any better as a Special Counsel than he was as a DOJ lawyer or the head of the FBI. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Wasn't there some one posting earlier about public servants enriching themselves and how evil it is when a DEM engages in such conduct? Wasn't that person or persons morally outraged with much huffery and puffery and righteous indignation? The funny thing was, there was no such indignant reaction when presented with Trump actually billing the Secret Service for the use of Trump properties while performing their duties protecting POTUS; one would think a self-proclaimed billionaire like Trump would be grateful enough for the SS guys being there to cover his cheeseburger eating behind that he'd part with a small portion of his self-lauded 'vast wealth' and cut the taxpayers a break by picking up the meager tab. Hey, maybe Trump really is hurting financially... :hmmm:
If so, maybe his latest deal may give him sufficient funds to pry open his coin purse:
A mere 72 hours after the Chinese government agreed to put a half-billion dollars into an Indonesian project that will personally enrich Donald Trump, the president ordered a bailout for a Chinese-government-owned cellphone maker.
“President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast,” Trump announced on Twitter Sunday morning. “Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!”
Trump did not mention in that tweet or its follow-ups that on Thursday, the developer of a theme park resort outside of Jakarta had signed a deal to receive as much as $500 million in Chinese government loans, as well as another $500 million from Chinese banks, according to Agence France-Presse. Trump’s family business, the Trump Organization, has a deal to license the Trump name to the resort, which includes a golf course and hotels.
Trump, despite his campaign promises to turn over his businesses and have no involvement with them, has still not fully divested himself of his businesses, and continues to profit from them.
“You do a good deal for him, he does a good deal for you. Quid pro quo,” said Richard Painter, the White House ethics lawyer for former President George W. Bush and now a Democratic candidate for Senate in Minnesota.
“This appears to be yet another violation of the emoluments clause of the Constitution,” Painter said, referring to the prohibition against the president receiving payments from foreign governments.
How nice Trump works so diligently for workers' jobs -- Chinese workers' jobs...
..and how nice he is working so diligently on behalf of a ZTe, a telecom company the intelligence community has assessed as a likely threat to US national security...
May we presume the announcement of "Trump Tower Beijing" is shortly to come?
Imagine what the GOP-Right reaction if this sort of deal was committed under a DEM administration; the cries of "Corruption!!", "Lock them up!!", and more would resound throughout the nation...
I wait patiently for some sort of responsible moral indignation from the Trumpers...
...its gonna be a very long wait...
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This is link to a podcast of a Los Angeles news radio program featuring former White Counsel John Dean and his views on the differences and similarities between Nixon/Watergate and Trump/Russia. Since Dean was a very key figure in the Watergate scandal that resulted in Nixon resigning, he has a rather unique experiential viewpoint. The news radio program is quite good since the two hosts are known for being very probing in their reportage and interviews and put politicians of all stripes to task; they are not very kind to those politicians who give platitudes as answers or try to dodge their questions:
KNX Indepth (May 17, 2018) --
https://knx1070.radio.com/media/audio-channel/knx-indepth-may-17-2018
Note: although the show is stated as being an hour in length, the podcast does not include any of the ads, etc., aired during the show, so the actual length is about 33 minutes...
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Mr Quatro
05-18-18, 07:11 PM
vienna posted Wasn't there some one posting earlier about public servants enriching themselves and how evil it is when a DEM engages in such conduct? Wasn't that person or persons morally outraged with much huffery and puffery and righteous indignation? The funny thing was, there was no such indignant reaction when presented with Trump actually billing the Secret Service for the use of Trump properties while performing their duties protecting POTUS; one would think a self-proclaimed billionaire like Trump would be grateful enough for the SS guys being there to cover his cheeseburger eating behind that he'd part with a small portion of his self-lauded 'vast wealth' and cut the taxpayers a break by picking up the meager tab. Hey, maybe Trump really is hurting financially... :hmmm:
If so, maybe his latest deal may give him sufficient funds to pry open his coin purse:
How nice Trump works so diligently for workers' jobs -- Chinese workers' jobs...
..and how nice he is working so diligently on behalf of a ZTe, a telecom company the intelligence community has assessed as a likely threat to US national security...
May we presume the announcement of "Trump Tower Beijing" is shortly to come?
Imagine what the GOP-Right reaction if this sort of deal was committed under a DEM administration; the cries of "Corruption!!", "Lock them up!!", and more would resound throughout the nation...
I wait patiently for some sort of responsible moral indignation from the Trumpers...
...its gonna be a very long wait...
If what you posted is verified as true don't you think the democrats will pounce on it and cry foul, after all they are looking for a way to impeach Mr Trump they just don't have the numbers in the House or the Senate.
Just five (5) more months till they can at least try to over throw trump and that would be a very bad thing to do ... Do it legally ... do it the American voters way. All things have an ending including eating a cheese burger every night while locked in his room at the white house and drinking diet cokes all the time. :oops:
https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2018/05/CNn-MS13.jpeg?resize=600%2C559
Onkel Neal
05-20-18, 10:23 AM
[QUOTE=vienna;2553024]...and, IIRC, wasn't The Post brought to task for some scurrilous bit of their own "fake news' and had to publicly apologize for the transgression?... :hmmm:
At least they apologized
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