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Onkel Neal
04-29-20, 11:27 AM
Sheesh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QRd_7yaK_Y
Jimbuna
04-29-20, 11:31 AM
GOD BLESS SAVE AMERICA :)
Skybird
04-29-20, 02:37 PM
GOD BLESS SAVE AMERICA :)
:haha:
Buddahaid
04-29-20, 09:57 PM
That's easy, the people who despise him.
That's because the people that like him are hard of hearing....
Onkel Neal
04-30-20, 01:11 PM
Biden's rape allegation is slowly getting liberal media coverage. Nothing like the Kavenaugh news explosion .
Now Hillary again
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/495371-as-biden-struggles-hillary-waits-for-the-call
Skybird
04-30-20, 02:26 PM
Biden or Trump or Sanders or Clinton. :D
"If there's a bright centre to the universe..."
https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/luke-bright-center32.jpg
"... US voters are on the planet that it's farthest from."
GOD BLESS SAVE AMERICA :)
:D
:up:
u crank
04-30-20, 03:59 PM
Ah Joe Biden. What a guy.:O:
In a way I feel sorry for the guy. He should have retired. He should have known that age would eventually catch up. Had he retired from political life at the end of 2016 he would have left a pretty good legacy. 36 years in the Senate, eight years as Obama's VP. Not bad.
He is to old and the fact that Hillary Clinton in 2016 and now Biden in 2020 says more about the Democrat Party than about their chosen standard bearers. Time to move on and look for some young blood.
If and it is an If
Joe Biden lose the presidential election against Trump
Do you think they may think in such a direction
- Hmm maybe our candidates was to old, next time we pick some younger ones.
Only a thought
Markus
Skybird
04-30-20, 04:20 PM
Why do i suddenly have this older SciFi movie "Lifeforce" on my mind? :D
Biden or Trump or Sanders or Clinton.
https://img.memecdn.com/oh-germany_c_5671855.jpg
Mr Quatro
04-30-20, 04:37 PM
Biden's rape allegation is slowly getting liberal media coverage. Nothing like the Kavenaugh news explosion .
Now Hillary again
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/495371-as-biden-struggles-hillary-waits-for-the-call
That's because Biden is not running for the Supreme Court Justice :hmmm::D
Ah Joe Biden. What a guy.:O:
In a way I feel sorry for the guy. He should have retired. He should have known that age would eventually catch up. Had he retired from political life at the end of 2016 he would have left a pretty good legacy. 36 years in the Senate, eight years as Obama's VP. Not bad.
He is to old and the fact that Hillary Clinton in 2016 and now Biden in 2020 says more about the Democrat Party than about their chosen standard bearers. Time to move on and look for some young blood.
I nominate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.:D
Mr Quatro
04-30-20, 05:51 PM
Ah Joe Biden. What a guy.:O:
In a way I feel sorry for the guy. He should have retired. He should have known that age would eventually catch up. Had he retired from political life at the end of 2016 he would have left a pretty good legacy. 36 years in the Senate, eight years as Obama's VP. Not bad.
He is to old and the fact that Hillary Clinton in 2016 and now Biden in 2020 says more about the Democrat Party than about their chosen standard bearers. Time to move on and look for some young blood.
Just a quick thought what if Biden chooses Hillary Clinton to be his running mate and these two win November 2020?
What if Biden and Hillary are already in cahoots for Biden to step down and let Hillary Clinton run the show till 2024?
Could happen your know all legal like and everything Nixon/Ford ring a bell?
Plus I already think President Trump is going to do the same thing with VP Mike Pence as soon as he wins ... Step down and let Pence be the president for four more years and maybe even eight more years if he does a good job.
Can an America President do that ?
Step down and let the Vice President run the show.
Even if nothing have happened to the elected President ?
Secondly
Have this happened before in the history of America's President ?
Where a President who was in good health gave the job to their Vice President ?
for some reason
Markus
u crank
04-30-20, 06:23 PM
Just a quick thought what if Biden chooses Hillary Clinton to be his running mate ...
In my very humble opinion that would be poison. Nothing would get out the vote for the GOP more than Clinton's name on the ballot.
Can an America President do that ?
Step down and let the Vice President run the show.
Even if nothing have happened to the elected President ?
Secondly
Have this happened before in the history of America's President ?
Where a President who was in good health gave the job to their Vice President ?
for some reason
Markus
Yes. Richard Nixon resigned from office and his Veep Gerald Ford took over as president, then he promptly pardoned Nixon in order to "heal the nation".
Onkel Neal
04-30-20, 10:44 PM
No one will ever confuse Biden with Kennedy or Reagan. He even gives Bush W a run for his money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDrSvNyqEY
I'm telling you, Bernie was robbed again.
Yes. Richard Nixon resigned from office and his Veep Gerald Ford took over as president, then he promptly pardoned Nixon in order to "heal the nation".
Fun Fact. President ford is the only person to be both Vice President and President of the United States without ever being elected to those offices.
Skybird
05-01-20, 05:28 AM
Trump's seeds opens .
https://twitter.com/SenPolehanki/status/1255899318210314241
Trump's seeds opens .
https://twitter.com/SenPolehanki/status/1255899318210314241
Can't blame Trump for those protestors, that's on the individual state Governors. The American people take a dim view of their rights being curtailed no matter the reason.
You have to admit, Trump played this one smart when he said he had final authority to open the economy and when the Governors pushed back He didn't argue with them. So now the State Governments are in the hot seat.
Mr Quatro
05-01-20, 08:30 AM
Can't blame Trump for those protestors, that's on the individual state Governors. The American people take a dim view of their rights being curtailed no matter the reason.
You have to admit, Trump played this one smart when he said he had final authority to open the economy and when the Governors pushed back He didn't argue with them. So now the State Governments are in the hot seat.
They sure are mad ... they are yelling at the police in the state capital of Michigan with no mask on and carrying guns too :o
https://news.yahoo.com/armed-protesters-demonstrate-against-covid-225449733.html
Armed protesters demonstrate against Covid-19 lockdown at Michigan capitol
Skybird
05-01-20, 08:42 AM
Wrong, Donald Spills-oil-into-every-fire Trump is to be held responsible. Beside Virgina and Minnesota, Michigan was one of the three states (posing strong threats to his reelection chances if he does not score heavily there) that he explicitly demanded to be "liberated", which in a country as weapon-obsessed as the US and in the highly polarized political climate that he has tremedously pushed and now lives of, is nothign else but a populstic call to start rioting to overwhelm his political opponents there.
Thats Putin tactics. The intimidation coming from setting up a few men on the street that slowly set on their black leather gloves while staring down regime protesters.
Men thinking they are more men if holding assault rifles in their hands. Its blokes like this in whose hands I would not even want to see a simple butter knife, not to mention automatic firearms. Not just primitive, but dangerous. The voting by yellign volume. The staging of threat-projecting sceneries. The appeal to the lowest of emotions. The euthanaziation of thinkling mind and reason and logic.
Big apes with rifles in their hands. Wowh. Look how male they are! So strong! :Kaleun_Salute:So - determined...! :Kaleun_Applaud: So - American...!
Thats how a nation makes itself a monkey. Mockery and ridicule are certain.
They sure are mad ... they are yelling at the police in the state capital of Michigan with no mask on and carrying guns too :o
https://news.yahoo.com/armed-protesters-demonstrate-against-covid-225449733.html
Armed protesters demonstrate against Covid-19 lockdown at Michigan capitol
Come on, the title of that article is clickbait, as evidenced by the first 4 words in the story. "Hundreds of protesters, some armed".
These lockdowns aren't about the "science" of the pandemic anymore, it is now about the state Governments saying " we know what is best for you and you better comply, if you don't we will fine and/or arrest you."
Contrary to skybird's assertion that this pandemic is an extinction level event it seems to be just a more virulent form of influenza.
Mr Quatro
05-01-20, 10:16 AM
Come on, the title of that article is clickbait, as evidenced by the first 4 words in the story. "Hundreds of protesters, some armed".
These lockdowns aren't about the "science" of the pandemic anymore, it is now about the state Governments saying " we know what is best for you and you better comply, if you don't we will fine and/or arrest you."
Contrary to skybird's assertion that this pandemic is an extinction level event it seems to be just a more virulent form of influenza.
How can it be click bait if it was accurately reporting the situation of mad armed men confronting the security guards wearing mask and the angry mob was yelling at them to their face (without mask on) expressing their anger about having to stay at home?
Wrong, Donald Spills-oil-into-every-fire Trump is to be held responsible. Beside Virgina and Minnesota, Michigan was one of the three states (posing strong threats to his reelection chances if he does not score heavily there) that he explicitly demanded to be "liberated", which in a country as weapon-obsessed as the US and in the highly polarized political climate that he has tremedously pushed and now lives of, is nothign else but a populstic call to start rioting to overwhelm his political opponents there.
Thats Putin tactics. The intimidation coming from setting up a few men on the street that slowly set on their black leather gloves while staring down regime protesters.
Men thinking they are more men if holding assault rifles in their hands. Its blokes like this in whose hands I would not even want to see a simple butter knife, not to mention automatic firearms. Not just primitive, but dangerous. The voting by yellign volume. The staging of threat-projecting sceneries. The appeal to the lowest of emotions. The euthanaziation of thinkling mind and reason and logic.
Big apes with rifles in their hands. Wowh. Look how male they are! So strong! :Kaleun_Salute:So - determined...! :Kaleun_Applaud: So - American...!
Thats how a nation makes itself a monkey. Mockery and ridicule are certain.
LOL, you don't have a clue do you. It's just not those states where protests are taking place. and they aren't protesting because Trump told them to. Article I of the Bill of Rights pretty much spells out who/what is behind these protests
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Yes. Richard Nixon resigned from office and his Veep Gerald Ford took over as president, then he promptly pardoned Nixon in order to "heal the nation".
I had Nixon on my mind, when I posted my question.
If I remember correctly
"He left the building so he wouldn't lose face if he was impeached and fired from his job"
Either it's my memory who have remembered thing wrong or you have given me wrong historical information.
Because something similar is what some of you told me weeks ago during Mr. Trump's impeachment.
So I wonder if Nixon can be put in this category of American President who have passed the Presidency to his VP even though they weren't sick, dead or facing impeachment
Markus
It wasn't so much to "save face" but more to avoid prosecution and jail time.
Once the Tape was made public any chance of Nixon beating the impeachment charges evaporated, had the impeachment happened He would have been removed and criminal charges filed.
His resignation and pardon was in essence a "plea deal" to avoid going to jail.
Behind watergate, Nixon is best known for starting relations with China which is kind of ironic considering the situation with the current pandemic.
Catfish
05-01-20, 11:16 AM
LOL, you don't have a clue do you. It's just not those states where protests are taking place. and they aren't protesting because Trump told them to. Article I of the Bill of Rights pretty much spells out who/what is behind these protests
Some Americans protesting against the lockdown, picture search via Google (https://www.google.com/search?q=americans+protest+against+lockdown&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjul6i7h5PpAhVoMOwKHb0aB2oQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=americans+protest+against+lockdown&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DH9AFYx_QBYPX1AWgAcAB4AIABWYgBWZI BATGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img&ei=vEqsXu7JO-jgsAe9tZzQBg&bih=789&biw=132)
Now is this dumb or is this dumb.
Skybird
05-01-20, 11:17 AM
LOL, you don't have a clue do you. It's just not those states where protests are taking place. and they aren't protesting because Trump told them to. Article I of the Bill of Rights pretty much spells out who/what is behind these protests
Sell that to somebody who thinks this lame deflection is worth just a single penny. I don't. The world looks at that monkey zoo and either just laughs, or shakes its head. Just serious nobody takes it as.
Sell that to somebody who thinks this lame deflection is worth just a single penny. I don't. The world looks at that monkey zoo and either just laughs, or shakes its head. Just serious nobody takes it as.
Some Americans protesting against the lockdown, picture search via Google (https://www.google.com/search?q=americans+protest+against+lockdown&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjul6i7h5PpAhVoMOwKHb0aB2oQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=americans+protest+against+lockdown&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DH9AFYx_QBYPX1AWgAcAB4AIABWYgBWZI BATGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img&ei=vEqsXu7JO-jgsAe9tZzQBg&bih=789&biw=132)
Now is this dumb or is this dumb.
That is because neither one of you are American. Individual freedom is the bedrock on which this country was founded.
Catfish
05-01-20, 11:56 AM
Ok, but you said it had nothing to do with Trump?
https://i.imgur.com/b3BvTZqm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UFz8A0km.jpg
I said Trump is not the driving force behind these protests, there is a difference.
I said Trump is not the driving force behind these protests, there is a difference.
Who cares, let them protest. If they go too far, they get locked up. And everyone knows how fast the virus spreads in jail. Then they will cry to the Governor to save them! Again, no one will care!
Skybird
05-01-20, 12:54 PM
That is because neither one of you are American. Individual freedom is the bedrock on which this country was founded.
And an after shave like Sir Irisch Moos provides a man the scent of freedom and adventure.
Skybird
05-01-20, 12:58 PM
I said Trump is not the driving force behind these protests, there is a difference.
He spills oil into the fire, uses suggestive language and appeals to pathos und lowest instincts.
Add my signature.
Skybird
05-02-20, 04:57 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/01/politics/anthony-fauci-white-house-blocks-house-testimony/index.html
The White House is blocking Dr. Anthony Fauci, (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics/fauci-states-federal-government-coronavirus-cnntv/index.html) a key member of the administration's coronavirus task force, from testifying before the Democratic-led House next week, according to a spokesman from a key House committee.
White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere confirmed the decision.
"While the Trump Administration continues its whole-of-government response to COVID-19 [propagandablablablabla]) it is counter-productive to have the very individuals involved in those efforts appearing at Congressional hearings," Deere said in a statement. "We are committed to working with Congress to offer testimony at the appropriate time."
However, it appears Fauci is expected to testify in front of a committee of the Republican-led Senate committee during May. He will testify before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee on May 12, per an aide to the panel's chairman, Sen. Lamar Alexander, a Tennessee Republican.
Double standards for propagandistic reasons.
Mr Quatro
05-02-20, 10:09 AM
It's all about power Sky :yep:
It's all about power :hmmm:
It's always all about power :up:
The communist use the excuse that it is all about power of the people,
but this is not true when just a few are telling a lot of people what to do :yep:
Onkel Neal
05-02-20, 11:21 AM
Trump!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i4JxWkSYzU
I'm thinking about making "billions and billions" my ringtone, whaddya think? :D
Who cares, let them protest. If they go too far, they get locked up. And everyone knows how fast the virus spreads in jail. Then they will cry to the Governor to save them! Again, no one will care!
Some fantasy you have there Eddie. Do you spend a lot of time thinking about it?
Catfish
05-03-20, 10:38 AM
Trump!
I'm thinking about making "billions and billions" my ringtone, whaddya think? :D
Good idea, and then you could let it end with a bing! :D
I got a catch on the headlines only
Trump is a threat to his own presidency
Those was the word I manage to see in the bottom of my tv screen, when I turned over to CNN, to get the news at 5, 5 sec. later it was gone.
Hmm wonder who, why and how this author have come to this conclusion
Markus
Politics of snitching: Dems more likely than Republicans to report neighbors during pandemic
By 44%-31% margin, Democrats would turn their neighbors in to police for hosting gatherings of 15-20 in breach of stay-home rules. By 60%-25%, Republicans would not.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/dems-far-more-likely-repubs-report-neighbors-hosting-friends-breaking
u crank
05-04-20, 12:53 PM
.. the American Right has a philosophy, while the American Left has only an enemies list.... K Williamson
The unsealing last week of a series of documents in the Michael Flynn criminal case cemented the reality that a small cadre of high-level FBI agents set a perjury trap for President Trump’s then-national security advisor. Beyond exposing the depth of this despicable personal and political hit job on a 30-year military veteran, the newly discovered documents hold great legal significance.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/your-guide-to-the-obama-administrations-hit-on-michael-flynn/
It was always a perjury trap to oust Flynn. The details dribbled out over the last two years tell that truth: the strategizing over how to put Flynn at ease; the back-and-forth over the required timing of the 1001 admonition (a warning to a target that lying to FBI agents is a federal offense); the plotting over how to frame that warning without alerting Flynn to the real purpose of their questioning; the FBI’s decision not to show Flynn the transcript of his call with the Russian ambassador, even though, as Priestap’s notes reveal, that would be the regular course of action.
The big question is will the Obama administration's DOJ, FBI and it's intel agencies every be brought to some kind of justice? Time will tell.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/your-guide-to-the-obama-administrations-hit-on-michael-flynn/
The big question is will the Obama administration's DOJ, FBI and it's intel agencies every be brought to some kind of justice? Time will tell.
That all depends on whether the Dems take over the executive branch next year. If they win most of this gets swept back under the rug where it would have always remained hidden if had Clinton won in 2016.
u crank
05-05-20, 07:52 AM
That all depends on whether the Dems take over the executive branch next year. If they win most of this gets swept back under the rug where it would have always remained hidden if had Clinton won in 2016.
Well I honestly have a low expectation that any of these people will suffer any legal consequences regardless of who wins in 2020. The administrative state does not like to prosecute their own. If it doesn't happen then the best you could hope for is a public exposure and shaming and that they never hold any position in government again. They will have to rely on their TV gigs and book deals I guess.
The other question that needs to be addressed is who knew what? That goes for Obama and Biden. Hard to believe that the two most powerful men in that administration with access to the most important intellegence were not aware that something was not quite right.
Rockstar
05-05-20, 08:26 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/your-guide-to-the-obama-administrations-hit-on-michael-flynn/
The big question is will the Obama administration's DOJ, FBI and it's intel agencies every be brought to some kind of justice? Time will tell.
I doubt it, unless a President is impeached, convicted and removed from office. There is nothing really which can be done in the way of bringing them to justice. I hate to say it but its all political history and I think its better that it remain there. We move on, it's now up to current and future administrations to fix what they deem broken and find people who will do their job and support them.
As for Flynn, I doubt he's crying in his pillow at night. :) Yes politically he's broken but still living in a big house enjoying a General Officers pension and benefits, life is good.
em2nought
05-05-20, 10:04 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/your-guide-to-the-obama-administrations-hit-on-michael-flynn/
The big question is will the Obama administration's DOJ, FBI and it's intel agencies every be brought to some kind of justice? Time will tell.
The only way that would happen is if there is successful armed revolt, and even then those vermin would be on the roof catching the last Huey bound for a tropical oasis or someplace Nazis who escaped Europe went.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg/300px-Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3C5to3R.jpg
What did Trump do this time?
Rockstar
05-05-20, 05:59 PM
What did Trump do this time?
https://youtu.be/Rr0J2mQRWqs
Skybird
05-06-20, 05:04 AM
Somebody is doging his respnsiblity there, to no getting connected to the things going wrong and tos threatening his reelection chances. After the to-be-expected death number recently was risen by the WH to 100,000, then I think 130,000, and after Trump snapped for the world not understanding his desinfecting sarcasm, he gets wet feet and leaves the governors to face the blame.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52553829
https://i.imgur.com/TPfGbqhl.jpg
Catfish
05-06-20, 07:41 AM
^ tyrants eh? :doh:
Tyrant may be a bit strong, but those three have definitely exceeded their authority in regards to the U.S. Constitution.
Makes one fear to win the Super jackpot in Euromillions.
One would become filthy rich and we know they are accused for everything.
Markus
Onkel Neal
05-07-20, 02:45 PM
Justice Department drops criminal case against former Trump aide Michael Flynn (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/07/michael-flynn-criminal-case-dropped-by-justice-department.html)
:yeah:
u crank
05-07-20, 03:56 PM
Justice Department drops criminal case against former Trump aide Michael Flynn (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/07/michael-flynn-criminal-case-dropped-by-justice-department.html)
:yeah:
And about time. Full marks go to Gen. Flynn's lawyer Sidney Powell who pushed back against Mueller's gang of thugs. It's a good day. :up:
And about time. Full marks go to Gen. Flynn's lawyer Sidney Powell who pushed back against Mueller's gang of thugs. It's a good day. :up:
Oh yeah, what a great day it is to find out Trump picked a Republican fund raiser to head the Post Office! Has no clue how to run a department like that, so should be great news for the employee's who are about to get screwed over by that POS in the White House. Heard one of his attendants has tested positive for Covid-19, hope Trump gets a full blown case of it, that would really make my day!:har::har:
And about time. Full marks go to Gen. Flynn's lawyer Sidney Powell who pushed back against Mueller's gang of thugs. It's a good day. :up:
Hopefully the some of these thugs will be doing the perp walk in the near future.
Hopefully the some of these thugs will be doing the perp walk in the near future.
If the same goes in your country as it does here in Denmark or Sweden, those people will get top job, maybe become a minister in a future government.
We have had authorities who have done a miserable job...got fired with a huge bag of money...later they got a new job as another authorities
We have had politicians who have done dreadful wrong things, had to resign and got elected and picked by the primeminister.
So I guess the same will happens in your country
Markus
em2nought
05-07-20, 05:46 PM
Oh yeah, what a great day it is to find out Trump picked a Republican fund raiser to head the Post Office! Has no clue how to run a department like that
Apparently no one can run the Post Office or Amtrak, and turn a profit. :har: Or that the very least break even. :hmmm:
If the same goes in your country as it does here in Denmark or Sweden, those people will get top job, maybe become a minister in a future government.
Markus
It would take a successful armed revolt for there to even be a chance that those vermin are punished. Most of them would flee faster than a Nazi heading for Argentina.
u crank
05-07-20, 05:53 PM
Heard one of his attendants has tested positive for Covid-19, hope Trump gets a full blown case of it, that would really make my day!:har::har:
Really? Man you ought to be ashamed of yourself. :nope::nope::nope:
If the same goes in your country as it does here in Denmark or Sweden, those people will get top job, maybe become a minister in a future government.
We have had authorities who have done a miserable job...got fired with a huge bag of money...later they got a new job as another authorities
We have had politicians who have done dreadful wrong things, had to resign and got elected and picked by the primeminister.
So I guess the same will happens in your country
Markus
That certainly is a possibility Markus, if for no other reason that the clock is ticking. If Durham hasn't made indictments by November, and the Democrats win the presidency all this will get buried.
Prolonging the Shutdown Defies Science and the US Constitution
Across the nation, protesters are taking to the streets and business owners are filing lawsuits objecting to the coronavirus shutdown rules. As the rules drag on, they're causing job losses, bankruptcies and a feeling that people have no rights. The liberal media are labeling the protesters "virus deniers." Don't fall for that. The protesters have science and the U.S. Constitution on their side.
Not to mention common sense. As New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo said Monday: "This is not a sustainable situation. Close down everything, close down the economy, lock yourself in the house."
Start with the science. Data show almost all the coronavirus fatalities are among the elderly and those with serious health problems. A staggering 68% of deaths in Pennsylvania have been nursing home residents. Shutting stores and restaurants didn't save them.
A lockdown targeted to protecting the highest risk group -- people 65 and over -- instead of confining all age groups would slash deaths by half but at only half the economic cost of a total shutdown, according to new National Bureau of Economic Research findings.
Unfortunately, social media companies are censoring any science that challenges the shutdown. When two California doctors who run urgent care centers challenged the need for California's shutdown, based on what they see at their clinics, YouTube removed their statements, saying the platform's policy is to ban content that "disputes the efficacy of local health authority recommended guidance."
Shame on YouTube and its parent company, Google. YouTube also censor views at odds with the World Health Organization, which helped get us into this mess.
Remember that just a few weeks ago, shutting down schools and businesses was justified to "flatten the curve," meaning buying time for hospitals to add beds and gather enough ventilators, masks and other medical equipment.
The shutdown's goal was not eradicating the virus. That's not possible. The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, as well as other experts, predict the virus will last another 18 to 24 months, fading once most Americans have been exposed and developed immunity.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/06/prolonging_the_shutdown_defies_science_and_the_us_ constitution_143127.html
Really? Man you ought to be ashamed of yourself. :nope::nope::nope:
Not hardly,lol Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!! Don't want him to die, just be stuck in a hospital bed so we don't have to listen to his BS on how well the fight against the virus is going, which is pure horse hockey!! And you dam well know it, don't sit there and tell me he's doing a great job, BECAUSE HE SURE AS HECK ISN'T!!
[QUOTE=em2nought;2669027]Apparently no one can run the Post Office or Amtrak, and turn a profit. :har: Or that the very least break even. :hmmm:
Well, that stooge he put in charge sure as hell couldn't, has about as much chance to doing that as you would!:har::har::har:
Trumps clamping down with news about the pandemic from the CDC and others to push to get the country open again. Good luck with that,lol
https://i.postimg.cc/59wq8S8f/die.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Z05dS3fQ)
There is a job opening for you em2nought, why don't you go apply,lol
https://i.postimg.cc/hPc8sQ0T/tc.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Z0syKR25)
@eddie, you and skybird should start a TDS anonymous group.
Catfish
05-08-20, 02:01 AM
This name "TDS" comprises the small rest of the world, outside the US ? :03:
@eddie, you and skybird should start a TDS anonymous group.
I understand you are the president of your local chapter,:haha::haha:
u crank
05-08-20, 04:56 AM
Not hardly,lol Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!! Don't want him to die, just be stuck in a hospital bed so we don't have to listen to his BS on how well the fight against the virus is going, which is pure horse hockey!! And you dam well know it, don't sit there and tell me he's doing a great job, BECAUSE HE SURE AS HECK ISN'T!!
Wishing harm on people you don't agree with is your problem. Good luck with that.
You post a lot of anti Trump sentiment here Eddie. I might even agree with some of it but what about some positive stuff about the other side? Got anything to comment on about the Democrat response to Covid-19? How about Joe Biden? How about Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer? How about Nancy Pelosi?
Any thoughts?
AVGWarhawk
05-08-20, 12:10 PM
[QUOTE=em2nought;2669027]Apparently no one can run the Post Office or Amtrak, and turn a profit. :har: Or that the very least break even. :hmmm:
Well, that stooge he put in charge sure as hell couldn't, has about as much chance to doing that as you would!:har::har::har:
The USPS and Amtrak have been losers for decades. At the very least Trump is taking a look to correct. Those before Trump just threw tax payer money at the problem and walked away.
What are your suggestions to make both profitable and off the tax payer rolls?
That's what I thought.....
AVGWarhawk
05-08-20, 12:12 PM
Trumps clamping down with news about the pandemic from the CDC and others to push to get the country open again. Good luck with that,lol
https://i.postimg.cc/59wq8S8f/die.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Z05dS3fQ)
There is a job opening for you em2nought, why don't you go apply,lol
https://i.postimg.cc/hPc8sQ0T/tc.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Z0syKR25)
Purdue does not hire illegals in MD. It is against the law and punishable with large fines. Purdue is the number one distributor in the region of MD. Sick employees will have their jobs when tested clear.
A recap of the US government's "response" to the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on our country and its citizens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Cd-tIlSGo
...just the flu, bro...
<O>
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/789/48/9048789.jpg
Rockstar
05-08-20, 07:45 PM
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/789/48/9048789.jpg
Don't forget about all of the "significant", "direct", "damning" and "overwhelming evidence" of collusion Adam Schiff has yet too release. Still waiting! :har::har::har:
nikimcbee
05-08-20, 08:05 PM
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/789/48/9048789.jpg
My Mom suffers from this. Whenever she starts up with "Did you hear what Trump said/did?" I just roll my eyes and come back with some derogatory remark regarding the carpet-bagger Romney.
skidman
05-09-20, 04:08 AM
I just roll my eyes and come back with some derogatory remark regarding the carpet-bagger Romney.
Which of course is rather pointless when an imbecile with blood on his hands is sitting in the Oval Office.
Catfish
05-09-20, 06:21 AM
I guess Trump suffers most of his derangement syndrome.
u crank
05-09-20, 06:28 AM
Which of course is rather pointless when an imbecile with blood on his hands is sitting in the Oval Office.
That is a pretty startling statement. Got any factual details?
u crank
05-09-20, 08:15 AM
I guess Trump suffers most of his derangement syndrome.
Can you blame him?
The Justice Department’s closing of its criminal case against President Trump's former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn on Thursday came as new red flags emerged from recently released documents revealing the FBI’s handling of the matter.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/08/new_red_flags_emerge_from_fbis_handling_of_flynn_c ase_123520.html
This is truly one of the most underhanded things to surface so far by the DOJ and the FBI in attempting to get something on President Trump. Michael Flynn's only real crimes were political. He had the temerity to oppose the Obama administration on their Iran policy and worse, against Obama's objections, took the National Security Adviser position in the Trump administration. Flynn was on the enemies list.
Since the documents were released last week, much attention has focused on a handwritten note by FBI counterintelligence head Bill Priestap in advance of the January 2017 interview with Flynn that would result in the retired lieutenant general being charged with lying to federal agents: “What is our goal?” Priestap asked, “Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”
In one text, dated February 10, Strzok tells Page he is heavily editing Pientka’s 302 form to the point he’s “trying not to completely re-write” it. Other messages reveal that Page, who did not attend the interview, reviewed the 302 form and made editing suggestions. On February 14, Page texts Strzok, "Is Andy good with the 302?" – presumably referring to FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. The next day, February 15, the Flynn 302 was officially submitted and filed with the FBI.
On Thursday, shortly before news broke that the Justice Department was dropping the Flynn prosecution, Van Grack submitted a request to withdraw from the team of federal prosecutors on the Flynn case. Van Grack’s withdrawal request also came amid allegations he had withheld exculpatory information from Flynn’s attorneys that was contained in the document dump the previous week.
Van Grack is a guy who should be questioned under oath.
“The FBI set up General Flynn -- that is clear as day. There is FBI leadership ordering the case kept open when agents wanted to close it for lack of evidence, the discussion of getting Flynn to lie or trying to get him fired, the ambush interview, the withholding of exculpatory evidence, and many other acts of blatant malfeasance. None of this is standard procedure. It’s a naked abuse of authority.”
Rep. Devin Nunes
And there is more to come.
Mr Quatro
05-09-20, 08:40 AM
Which of course is rather pointless when an imbecile with blood on his hands is sitting in the Oval Office.
That is a pretty startling statement. Got any factual details?
The blood shed by previous POTUS
Donald Trump
Afghanistan
Barack Obama
Libya & Afghanistan
George W. Bush
Iraq freedom
Bill Clinton
Afghanistan plus
Failed to take out Ben laden resulting in 9/11
George H. W. Bush
Iraq desert storm Plus Naval aviator in World War II
(1942–1945). Shot down and received the Distinguished Flying Cross.
Ronald Reagan
Nicaragua Contra affair
Jimmy Carter
Iran conflict when two (2) helicopters collieded with each other killing all of the special forces
sent to free the American citizens being held hostage in Iran at the time. Mission aborted
Gerald Ford
World War II (1942–1945); combat on USS Monterey, discharged in 1946.
Richard Nixon
Vietnam plus
World War II (1942–1945); earned two battle stars for service in the Pacific.
Lyndon B. Johnson
Vietnam
John F. Kennedy
Vietnam plus Cuba
Dwight D. Eisenhower
WWII and Korea plus
Served as Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during World War II (1942–1945).
Harry S. Truman
Dropped the A bomb on Japan in WWII plus
National Guard service in Missouri (1905–1911); served in combat in France during World War I
Franklin D. Roosevelt
WWII
Herbert Hoover
helped guide US Marines in 1900 during the Boxer Rebellion.
Rockstar
05-09-20, 08:51 AM
I figure, every country, every leader and by extension every person on this planet who supports them, including you and me, has blood on our hands. All in the name of some religion or political slogan.
One of my favorite quotes, from a Hollywood movie of all things.
“...even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.” ― King Baldwin IV in Kingdom of Heaven
That is a pretty startling statement. Got any factual details?
I was wondering the same thing.
I'm aware of Trump's boast about being able to kill someone without consequence, but as far as I know, that was just campaign hyperbole.
u crank
05-09-20, 09:49 AM
I was wondering the same thing.
I'm aware of Trump's boast about being able to kill someone without consequence, but as far as I know, that was just campaign hyperbole.
I'm pretty sure I know what he meant. It is a reference to the guy who drank fish tank cleaner and died. You remember when Trump told everyone to drink fish tank cleaner don't you?:()1:
Did he? I seem to recall him being very optimistic that Hydroxychloroquine was showing promise as a treatment for those who had covid-19, don't recall him recommending anyone to self treat with aquarium cleaner.
u crank
05-09-20, 01:23 PM
Did he? I seem to recall him being very optimistic that Hydroxychloroquine was showing promise as a treatment for those who had covid-19, don't recall him recommending anyone to self treat with aquarium cleaner.
Of course he said no such thing. But you wouldn't know that by what the 'blood on his hands' crowd has insinuated.
See the same here in this American politic thread.
People(Voters)is so fixated on the sitting President/government and the fault s/he or they have commit, that they forget what their own elected/trusted politicians have done.
It happens, when some of my friends accused the sitting government in Denmark for having voted for something, that I find something similar things, their trusted politicians have voted yes, when they was in charge.
Mostly it was about the EU or Refugees politics.
I have stopped doing this, because every time the answer is
Something like
Is not the same my party voted yes because...bla bla bla
Markus
Catfish
05-09-20, 04:30 PM
I guess the "war against corona virus" will be won the same way the war was won against Vietnam.
It got too expensive so all pretended that it was over.
:03:
em2nought
05-10-20, 08:53 AM
Obamagate is going to make Watergate seem like a silly high school prank. :har: Richard Nixon should be happy. If Trump wins don't count on Obama getting a pardon. :har: I wonder where an Islamic friendly ex-president might find safe haven without extradition? "No Extradition" being the top search on Obama officials browsers this week no doubt. :D
Mr Quatro
05-10-20, 09:29 AM
Obamagate is going to make Watergate seem like a silly high school prank. :har: Richard Nixon should be happy. If Trump wins don't count on Obama getting a pardon. :har: I wonder where an Islamic friendly ex-president might find safe haven without extradition? "No Extradition" being the top search on Obama officials browsers this week no doubt. :D
Wow! I hope so :up:
Right before the election too taking VP Biden with him :yep:
Now to something different. Still US-related.
Heard about this case on CNN some days ago and in the Danish news yesterday.
In my little world of justice
Shooting a person from behind can never be classified as self defence
Maybe your laws is different.
Markus
Now to something different. Still US-related.
Heard about this case on CNN some days ago and in the Danish news yesterday.
In my little world of justice
Shooting a person from behind can never be classified as self defence
Maybe your laws is different.
Markus
You talking about the Georgia jogger murder? I agree and no, our laws are not different in that regard. I hope those two thugs get what they deserve.
You talking about the Georgia jogger murder? I agree and no, our laws are not different in that regard. I hope those two thugs get what they deserve.
Yes. They claim self defence Which I have hart to see.
I hope they will get a verdict suitable for this crime.
Markus
Yes. They claim self defence Which I have hart to see.
I hope they will get a verdict suitable for this crime.
Markus
Me too. They hunted down that guy and murdered him.
Skybird
05-10-20, 04:15 PM
Another of a by now longer string of failings and revealing acts by Mike No Mask Pence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=50&v=SGAgj_jizHI&feature=emb_logo
Recorded on May 8th.
And this after a Covid19 case was found in his team. Pence sometimes gets mentioned as the better Republöican altemrtaive to Trumpo. But a fool that folloows and pobeys somebod ylike trump fro so long, acts so irrespoonisbly like he does, sets right the anti-exmaple fo what a puiblicty-exposed leader of his rank should dhow, is a burnt name. And not much better, if any better at all , like Trump himself. He suppported the war of 2003, his confession to secularism must be questioned, he is very fundamentlaist in his Christian self-defintion and proposesthe so-called Prosperity Gospel, repeatedly denied climate warming, and rejects evolution and favours intelligent design over it. He recvently made headlines by insisting to wera nio mask with all others aroudn hoim wearing masks - a figure of his rank and public office should set positive exmaples, not bad exmaples. One cannot really say that he is a friend of reason and science, I would say. He is strictly anti-abortion, and wants creationism beign taught at school, as if it were equal to science.
He now is vice president in the Donaldinarium. In a strange way, this career highlight is consistent with his former listed traits and positions. A better president would not chose him for his vice, and as vice that he his he does not deserve to work for somebody better than Trump.
Seen this way, this PR desaster now also is just consistently falling in line with the usual daily Donaldinarian circus show.
Needless to say, none of the men in the video showed spine, format or character. They should have rejected what the running girl told them. Opportunistic bootlickers.
Obama not only knew that the FBI was conducting an illegal investigation it is increasingly looking like he directed it.
Not surprising given his history of using federal agencies to target his political enemies.
Again, I wished I had followed this thread and the news from USA more closely than I have lately.
Because I can't remember having heard the word Obamagate until yesterday, when one of you mentioned it(wrote it)
Markus
em2nought
05-11-20, 01:51 PM
Again, I wished I had followed this thread and the news from USA more closely than I have lately.
Because I can't remember having heard the word Obamagate until yesterday, when one of you mentioned it(wrote it)
Markus
Obama could be tried, convicted, sentenced, & jailed and you still probably wouldn't hear the word "Obamagate" from the mainstream media. The mainstream media is for all intents and purposes a wing of the DNC. I tell you now Obama's crimes make Richard Nixon almost look like a boy scout, but Obama may never pay for them because DC is a swamp filled with lots of swamp creatures on all sides. :arrgh!:
u crank
05-11-20, 01:56 PM
Again, I wished I had followed this thread and the news from USA more closely than I have lately.
Because I can't remember having heard the word Obamagate until yesterday, when one of you mentioned it(wrote it)
The reason Markus is because it was only on Thursday last week that the House Intelligence Committee released 53 transcripts of interviews done by that committee concerning the 'Russian collusion ' story. It's big news and as August says it is looking like President Obama was right at the center of this heartwarming little tale.
Stay tuned ... there will be a lot more to come.:D
Thank you.
It's going to be interesting to follow indeed.
Mostly in the psychological point of the voters view
(NO I'm not an educated psychologist, but the last 5 years or so I have been
interested in following my friends voting psychological behaviour)
As the case goes on it will be interesting to read what Dem supporters and Trumps supporters will say or not say.
Markus
Skybird
05-11-20, 02:38 PM
The Panama channel has been extended north right up to the Canadian border, and is now beeing widened on both sides. This process will continue until the land on both sides of it has been completley consumed and the Atlantic will meet the Pacific directly. The US then will turn into just some fishes' tale.
em2nought
05-11-20, 02:49 PM
The Panama channel has been extended north right up to the Canadian border
Panama has extradition so Obama won't be fleeing to that exotic destination. :D
Catfish
05-11-20, 03:34 PM
Thank you. It's going to be interesting to follow indeed. Mostly in the psychological point of the voters view. […]
:hmmm:
Mr Quatro
05-11-20, 07:47 PM
The reason Markus is because it was only on Thursday last week that the House Intelligence Committee released 53 transcripts of interviews done by that committee concerning the 'Russian collusion ' story. It's big news and as August says it is looking like President Obama was right at the center of this heartwarming little tale.
Stay tuned ... there will be a lot more to come.:D
This is why Obama came out swinging ... He's been more vocal than Biden lately ... Biden is being kind of quite ... I wonder what he knows?
Can Biden handle a home town meeting with questions like Trump gets everyday? I can't wait for the debates to begin ... usually after the conventions
which the democrats have already moved and may even cancel. :yep:
Skybird
05-12-20, 05:35 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-reelection/index.html
Some looser got thinskinned. What a pitiful sight.
Dont they have mental asylums in the US? This guy is so sick and so full of himself and such a megalomaniac mimosa that he needs professionals to take care of him 24/7.
And to protect the public from him.
u crank
05-12-20, 06:35 AM
Some looser got thinskinned. What a pitiful sight.
Dont they have mental asylums in the US? This guy is so sick and so full of himself and such a megalomaniac mimosa that he needs professionals to take care of him 24/7.
And to protect the public from him.
It's a joke. Can you imagine in your wildest dreams that reporter, Weijia Jiang, asking Obama, Clinton or Biden that question? Not a chance. Say what you like about Trump and a lot of it I would agree with but the media and especially the WH press corps have lost their way. They are not interested in the truth. Their game is to play gotcha with the President. And it should be noted that the young woman immediatly turned it into a racial thing when Trump mentioned China.
It's a game and it is a joke.
u crank
05-12-20, 06:53 AM
And speaking about the media, get ready for smoke and mirrors from CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the progressive left as the revelations about Barrack Obama begin to surface. It's actually not a suprise as this was a suspicion many had for years, that Obama had an intimate knowledge and worse may have directed the attempt to destroy the Trump presidency.
A review of weekend news coverage and commentary shows that mainstream media have gone into full “Protect Obama” mode.
Evidence released last week — including, but not limited to, House Intelligence Committee transcripts showing that multiple top-level Obama administration officials were lying to the public for three years about Russian collusion — indicates that former president Barack Obama wasn’t merely aware of what was going on; he was hip-deep in what increasingly appears to be one of the greatest political scandals in American history.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/protecting-obama/
The media-enabled fiction of a scandal-free administration is nearly all that remains of the Obama legacy. So it must be maintained. After all, he’s progressives’ Lightworker. He validates their pieties, conceits, and presumptions.
That’s why we’re about to experience media prevarication, deflection, omission, and misrepresentation on a scale never before witnessed in political news coverage — even eclipsing that of the last three years. Obama must be protected, facts be damned. And if they spin furiously enough, they might even be rewarded with a Pulitzer.
In a better and just world these people, the legacy media, would investigate this story the same way they did the Watergate break in and subsequent coverup. Instead what you will get is an endless “Protect Obama” operation.
Rockstar
05-12-20, 07:29 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-reelection/index.html
Some looser got thinskinned. What a pitiful sight.
Dont they have mental asylums in the US? This guy is so sick and so full of himself and such a megalomaniac mimosa that he needs professionals to take care of him 24/7.
And to protect the public from him.
How pathetic, media didn't get what they want and immediately play the race card. ya talk about thin skinned.
Hey wasn't it that French guy Macron the one that said there are questions only China can answer? :har:
Bilge_Rat
05-12-20, 07:37 AM
So turns out that Trump was right when he said that Obama had wiretapped him?
Catfish
05-12-20, 07:39 AM
Trump orders meatpacking plants to stay open.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52466502
Also seems the piece-rate limit has been abandoned already last year?
Jimbuna
05-12-20, 07:52 AM
It's a joke. Can you imagine in your wildest dreams that reporter, Weijia Jiang, asking Obama, Clinton or Biden that question? Not a chance. Say what you like about Trump and a lot of it I would agree with but the media and especially the WH press corps have lost their way. They are not interested in the truth. Their game is to play gotcha with the President. And it should be noted that the young woman immediatly turned it into a racial thing when Trump mentioned China.
It's a game and it is a joke.
Agreed :yep:
Catfish
05-12-20, 08:03 AM
^ I also agree, but i have to say i expect a potus to hold certain journalists in check instead of storming out of the room. Also it is not the first time. This is also about dignity, and Trump should simply stand above this.
But if some say people have to pay a certain respect to the president, this man himself set a new low for any reporting in the US with his Foxy friends like "if i have enough money i can grab anyone's pussy", so as we say "Wie man in den Wald hinein ruft, so schallt es heraus."
Jimbuna
05-12-20, 08:07 AM
God only knows what China and Russia must be making of all this.
Catfish
05-12-20, 08:10 AM
God only knows what China and Russia must be making of all this.
The good thing is that not much here will care about what China or Russia make of it, at least when it comes to their media :03:
u crank
05-12-20, 08:17 AM
So turns out that Trump was right when he said that Obama had wiretapped him?
Well at the time Trump's way of expressing that was not very articulate, but it turns out that, in a much wider scope, he was right. The out going administration was using the DOJ, The FBI and other intel agencies to basically spy on Him, his campaign and then his administration. That has now become painfully obvious.
The fact that Obama himself decided not to share intel about Russian interference with the new administration speaks volumes about the malcious intent that Obama and his minions had.
I chalk it up to pure arrogance. Eight years was not enough for Obama. He wanted to direct and interfer in the new administration. His warning to Trump not to hire Flynn is a perfect example of that arrogance.
Catfish
05-12-20, 08:33 AM
Hmm, this is from april 2020:
"Donald Trump Admits He Made Barack Obama ‘Wire Tapping’ Claim Based On ‘Bit Of A Hunch’. The president made the admission during a lengthy interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity."
So apart from slinging mud and re-appearing accusations in times of elections, i take it new evidence must have been found? Where exactly?
(https://www.huffpost.com/author/lee-moran)
u crank
05-12-20, 09:07 AM
So apart from slinging mud and re-appearing accusations in times of elections, i take it new evidence must have been found? Where exactly?
I don't think you are up to speed on this story. It's available but you won't find it on CNN or in the New York Times.
Of course Trump was wrong that his phones were literally 'tapped'. Again eloquence is not his strong point. But in the larger picture he was right. The FISA warrants against Carter Page allowed the intel agencies to look into all past communications between Page and the Trump campaign. It's the 21st century's version of the wire tap only far more intrusive.
Mr Quatro
05-12-20, 09:40 AM
The FISA warrants against Carter Page allowed the intel agencies to look into all past communications between Page and the Trump campaign. It's the 21st century's version of the wire tap only far more intrusive.
I never thought about that, but all of this is coming out at a strange time five (5) months and 3 weeks before the election. More to come right before the Nation decides which one is the worse choice.
Obama will be Biden's downfall :yep:
Rockstar
05-12-20, 12:43 PM
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/497244-universal-basic-income-and-the-end-of-the-republic
... according to prominent Democrats in Congress, instead of smartly reopening the economy, we should double-down on Keynesian economics and just print more money than ever. In other words, Americans ought to stay home and get “paid” by the U.S. government.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” - <insert origin>
This is the shining paragon of the Left:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zggq8aHZH_Y
Bilge_Rat
05-12-20, 07:02 PM
Hmm, this is from april 2020:
"Donald Trump Admits He Made Barack Obama ‘Wire Tapping’ Claim Based On ‘Bit Of A Hunch’. The president made the admission during a lengthy interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity."
So apart from slinging mud and re-appearing accusations in times of elections, i take it new evidence must have been found? Where exactly?
It is more a question of connecting the dots based on reporting since early 2017.
Trump first made his claim a few days after the NY Times reported the FBI had gotten FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page. I thought there was more to this story, but it could be explained as a standard counter intelligence op.
Then stories started coming out how the FISA warrants were based on the Steele dossier which was dodgy to begin with...
Then it turned out you had rogue agents doing investigations on their own...
Then the story changed again to make it sound like Comey was carrying on the investigation on his own...
Then it turned out some officials at the WH, like Susan Rice, may have been briefed on the investigation..
Now, based on the latest reporting, Obama knew personally what was going on and apparently approved the investigation of Flynn.
I also had a "hunch" from the beginning that there was more to this story. It made no sense to me that the FBI would be investigating a candidate of a major Party on its own during an election campaign. It was clear someone high up was ordering an investigation on Trump. I thought it might be someone in the WH, but am surprised it seems to go all the way to Obama.
This is a potentially major scandal, on par with what Nixon did in Watergate, but don't expect the MSM to do anything other than sweep it under the carpet...
Rockstar
05-12-20, 08:04 PM
... So apart from slinging mud and re-appearing accusations in times of elections, i take it new evidence must have been found? Where exactly?
I could look around for it. But I need to know what evidence you're looking for? Schiff's overwhelming and damning evidence of Russian collusion or evidence of illegal FBI investigations?
The House Intelligence Transcripts were just released on May 7.
Schiff released them after Rick Grennel gave him a choice.
If Schiff didn't.....Grennel would.
The documents show there was no evidence of Russian collusion in the first place.
It's been said right along, they had to take out General Flynn because
"He knew where the bodies were buried."
In his position as National Security Advisor, he would have discovered that Obama had weaponized the Intelligence agencies against the Trump campaign.
This is not NEW news, you just won't hear it on the mainstream news networks.
Hence the term "Fake news."
Does it REALLY make sense that Trump is a super secret Russian agent ???
Think about it.
Also think......
What is it Obama is trying to hide, that he would go to these lengths ???
This amounts to an attempted coup.
You might not like Trump, but he won the election.
The PEOPLE decide.
Not the Intelligence agencies, not the media, and certainly not the outgoing President.
They never thought she would lose.
Onkel Neal
05-13-20, 06:01 AM
This is the shining paragon of the Left:
Lol, @1:09, he would be delighted to compare IQs. haha, man, he was trying to "take it outside" even back then.
Funny how he explains all his lies as "his memory failed him"; that was 30 years ago, long before he became senile.
Seriously, if someone had done the work and gotten three degrees, it would be impossible to forget that. For Biden to lie outright about his academic record, unbelievable. And this is who the liberals want us to make President? He's worse than Trump.
Skybird
05-13-20, 07:10 AM
Does it REALLY make sense that Trump is a super secret Russian agent ???
Nobody ever said he is an agent.
An agent knows that he is an agent, spy, agent provcateur. Trump just is so ahndicapped and so full of himself that he would not npotice if he gets grabbed by his nose and led around.
However, the real relevance of the claim that Russia interferes wiuth getting him elected and now reelected, is an interest that is independent from t he person and name. Its to getcivil societ yin the US deeply polkiaruzed and by that: divided. By that, indifference for glbal affairs gets sown, and the Us interest to intertfere with russian interests, gets muted (dso the calculation). That the name/the man is intelllectually weak and sufcfers from amssive relaity distortions, just helps this.
Its good old textbook operatons from the cold war. And very many Americans do not realise it or do not want to realise it.
In plain English: the US is under Russian attack.
Its all already world war 3, gentlemen. Why waiting for bullets getting fired and bombs gettign dropped? You can cast as much if not mroe havoc by co9bery operaitons, PR wars, public opinion manipulation, media war. And China and Rzussia are attackign since many years alrerady. The war is hot. America is busy with itself (mission goal accomplished). Britain is being disunited with the EU. This weakens NATO. This weakens the EU.
Trump is just a pawn on the board, himself too stupid to realise he is just a pawn. He thinks he is King, Queen, Rook and bishop all in one. And all pawns there are, of course. Both colours. He is all over the board, on every square. 64 Trump pieces on a chessboard. At least so the thinks.
:har:
Lol, @1:09, he would be delighted to compare IQs. haha, man, he was trying to "take it outside" even back then.
Funny how he explains all his lies as "his memory failed him"; that was 30 years ago, long before he became senile.
Seriously, if someone had done the work and gotten three degrees, it would be impossible to forget that. For Biden to lie outright about his academic record, unbelievable. And this is who the liberals want us to make President? He's worse than Trump.
What's got me wondering is this is all no secret. The Dems must be willfully obtuse to ignore it.
And another gem of a revelation.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_h ack_of_dnc_123596.html
CrowdStrike, the cyber-security firm that first accused Russia of hacking Democratic Party emails and served as a critical source for U.S. intelligence officials in the years-long Trump-Russia probe, privately acknowledged more than two years ago that it had no evidence that Russian hackers stole emails from the Democratic National Committee’s server.
CrowdStrike President Shawn Henry's admission under oath, in a newly declassified December 2017 interview before the House Intelligence Committee, raises new questions about whether Special Counsel Robert Mueller, intelligence officials, and Democrats misled the public. The allegation that Russia stole Democratic Party emails and passed them to WikiLeaks helped trigger the FBI's Russia probe and with it the sweeping investigation into whether the Trump campaign was complicit.
Just another lie promoted by the Democrats (and parroted by some here).
Bilge_Rat
05-13-20, 07:44 AM
And another gem of a revelation.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_h ack_of_dnc_123596.html
Just another lie promoted by the Democrats (and parroted by some here).
Yes, that was raised way back in 2016 as well. Crowdstrike looked at the server, found suspicious code, thought it looked like code used by hackers linked to Russia which is why it said it was probably the Russians. At the time, other computer experts offered opinions that it was not as clear cut, but it quickly became an article of faith and anyone who questioned the "Russian" theory was tarred as a Russian apologist or as peddling conspiracy theories.
Catfish
05-13-20, 07:55 AM
Ah ok. So it was not the Russians but Trump and his folks who hacked the eMails and sent it to Wikileaks?
Or are there eMails at all?
Seems the Russians got what they needed, without their participation, the US against the US.
Well then they should release Asasange instantly without that fake trial :hmmm:
Ah ok. So it was not the Russians but Trump and his folks who hacked the eMails and sent it to Wikileaks?
Or are there eMails at all?
Seems the Russians got what they needed, without their participation, the US against the US.
Well then they should release Asasange instantly without that fake trial :hmmm:
Trouble with you and Skybird is that you think that everything has to be sewn up into a neat little package. If it is not white it must therefore be black. There can be no shades or colors in between because you know, Trump.
Assange already said where he got the information from. Maybe it's time you give that another look instead of being sarcastic and yeah in light of revelations like this by all means drop those charges against him.
Bilge_Rat
05-13-20, 10:06 AM
Ah ok. So it was not the Russians but Trump and his folks who hacked the eMails and sent it to Wikileaks?
Or are there eMails at all?
Seems the Russians got what they needed, without their participation, the US against the US.
Well then they should release Asasange instantly without that fake trial :hmmm:
nobody said it was not the Russians, it could be the Russians, but we will never know for sure since only Crowdstrike examined the server. By the time the FBI was alerted, the server had been wiped of all possible clues so no evidence still exists.
Crowdstrike also has a dubious track record. A few months later, it claimed the Russians had hacked the computer software controlling Ukrainian artillery which turned out to be completely false.
https://www.voanews.com/usa/cyber-firm-rewrites-part-disputed-russian-hacking-report
So Crowdstrike was completely wrong when it claimed the Russians were hacking the Ukrainian military, but we have to believe that they were 100% right when they claimed the Russians hacked the DNC server? It does not take a genius to figure out that if they were wrong on one, they could easily be wrong on the other. :ping:
Mr Quatro
05-13-20, 10:09 AM
Lol, @1:09, he would be delighted to compare IQs. haha, man, he was trying to "take it outside" even back then.
Funny how he explains all his lies as "his memory failed him"; that was 30 years ago, long before he became senile.
Seriously, if someone had done the work and gotten three degrees, it would be impossible to forget that. For Biden to lie outright about his academic record, unbelievable. And this is who the liberals want us to make President? He's worse than Trump.
People live into their mid-eighties pretty easy now, but I think the democrats are up to no good on who they will let VP Biden chose to be his running mate.
Someone who almost beat Trump last election comes to mind ... plus her track record of bodies left behind is amazing :o
VipertheSniper
05-13-20, 12:06 PM
You really think they'd be that stupid? I mean I wouldn't put it past them, but HRC is so utterly and thoroughly burned by now, that'd be taking the piss really and acknowledging they have no chance to win.
‘Obamagate’ Isn’t A Conspiracy Theory, It’s The Biggest Political Scandal Of Our Time
And the media know it.
When former president Barack Obama told supporters last week that the Justice Department’s decision to drop the case against former White House National Security Adviser Mike Flynn is a “threat to the rule of law,” he was relying wholly on the fiction, willingly propagated for years by a pliant media, that the Russia-Trump collusion probe launched by his administration was lawful and legitimate.
But of course it wasn’t. A string of recently released documents have confirmed that the entire Russia-Trump investigation, which eventually entrapped Flynn and forced then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself, was an unprecedented abuse of power that amounted to organized effort by the Obama administration to nullify the results of the 2016 presidential election. It was in effect an attempted coup.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/13/obamagate-isnt-a-conspiracy-theory-its-the-biggest-political-scandal-of-our-time/
Mr Quatro
05-13-20, 02:08 PM
I'm glad it turned out okay for Flynn, but Obama was wrong about the rule of law ... :yep:
Come on man Flynn pleaded guilty :o
This Obamagate or the Flynn Case have been in the Danish news and in some Danish Article.
I have taken a part from the article, translated it
"This is similar to the fact that PET had been listening to Martin Rossen's talks up to the latest parliamentary elections, inspired by a report written by a private detective funded by the Liberal Party. If that had happened, I doubt PET had existed today."
The journalist tried to make a comparison to our government our PET(Similar to FBI) To tell the readers what's all about.
Last sentence in this article
"The leftists are blinded by hatred of Trump. And that hatred is the real cause of the FBI's criminal behavior."
Here is the entire article, don't know if you can get google to translate it.
https://jyllands-posten.dk/debat/blogs/runeselsing/ECE12130300/fbi-afsloeret-i-uhyggeligt-magtmisbrug-i-kampen-mod-trump/
Headlines saying
"The FBI revealed in excruciating abuse of power in the fight against Trump"
My input.
Now that I had the possibility to read about it in one of my native language I'm truly shocked
Markus
u crank
05-14-20, 12:51 PM
It is now pretty clear that Trump’s ex-national security advisor Michael Flynn was a target of the Obama administration. He served as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency under that administration from July 2012 till August 2014. To say that Flynn was at odds with the Obama administration would be an understatement. While Obama was calling ISIS the JV team Flynn was saying that they were a growing threat. Flynn as it turns out was right on that call. He also opposed Obama's Iran deal and then made the unforgivable sin of joining the Trump campaign in February 2016.
We now have a list of Obama officials who requested an unmasking of Flynn. It's quite a list and includes James Comey, Samantha Power, James Clapper, John Brennan, and a guy named Joe Biden.
Currently John Kerry has indorced Joe Biden for President. Imagine if you will the Trump administration opening a counterintelligence probe into Kerry's meeting with Iranian officials which he did. Imagine then that an official in the Trump WH leaks this information to FOX news to smear Kerry and Biden. The howls of protest and calls for impeachment would be deafening.
One thing for sure with all his problems ... Joe Biden didn't need another thing to defend and explain.
You may say...you can't say for sure.
I have FB friends who can't stand Mr. Trump they can't stand his guts.
If I should post the Danish article(which I posted in my last comment) the answer would very likely be:
In the effort to get this....(ugly word) of an President removed from the Oval Office...every means are legale.
Markus
You may say...you can't say for sure.
I have FB friends who can't stand Mr. Trump they can't stand his guts.
If I should post the Danish article(which I posted in my last comment) the answer would very likely be:
In the effort to get this....(ugly word) of an President removed from the Oval Office...every means are legale.
Markus
You should hang out with a better class of FB people Markus! :03:
Mr Quatro
05-14-20, 09:26 PM
One thing for sure with all his problems ... Joe Biden didn't need another thing to defend and explain.
Joe Biden is so weak that he needs Obama and Obama is going to take Joe down with him. :yep:
Cat got your tongue Mr Biden :o
Joe Biden is so weak that he needs Obama and Obama is going to take Joe down with him. :yep:
Cat got your tongue Mr Biden :o
No other Republican can be as big a moron as Trump! Well, McConnell is close,lol
You should hang out with a better class of FB people Markus! :03:
I also have FB friends who worship your President.
Markus
Onkel Neal
05-15-20, 09:07 AM
I have FB friends
In the effort to get this....(ugly word) of an President removed from the Oval Office...every means are legale.
And that's where the main fault lies; the opposition has been determined to reverse the election by any means, first it was protests, then calls for impeachment 3 months into the term, then investigations, pressuring subordinates, more investigations, accusations, impeachment, and so on.
Of course, the Republicans used a lot (but not all) of the same playbook with Obama. This is the new normal.
Skybird
05-15-20, 10:13 AM
A house divided will not stand.
em2nought
05-15-20, 10:40 AM
A house divided will not stand.
Better to die throwing off the democrat yoke than from a virus. :D
Mr Quatro
05-15-20, 11:01 AM
A house divided will not stand.
From a law that is quoted in the Bible :yep:
Here's another one as old as man kind
"You reap what you sow"
Plus "Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay"
Anything other than that is wishy washy :yep:
Onkel Neal
05-15-20, 06:33 PM
August, I know you'll like this article :) It's pretty spot on about how one-sided most media outlets are.
The media shrug at their massive bungling of major stories.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/our-nevermind-media/
The media loves to run with “blood on his hands” stories about nefarious Republicans, but you’ll have a hard time finding even a quiet, pro-forma apology (much less an admission of bloody hands) from the media for their massive bungling of the early stages of the coronavirus story. On January 31, Vox stated, with the customary absolute metaphysical certitude that characterizes its generally undergraduate tone, “Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No.” Vox later deleted the tweet, but instead of an apology, it said the remark “no longer reflects the current reality of the coronavirus story,” which was obvious if insufficiently humble.
On February 20, CNN gravely informed us that the real problem relating to coronavirus was racist remarks and decreased bookings at Chinese restaurants, under the headline, “What’s Spreading Faster than Coronavirus? Racist assaults and ignorant attacks against Asians.” (Number of actual assaults or attacks cited in the thousand-word article: one.) The piece quoted a Chinatown restaurant owner as saying, “No one in my restaurant has this disease. No one in Chinatown has this disease,” then followed up with these words from the reporters who wrote the piece: “Indeed, no one in the entire state of New York has been diagnosed with novel coronavirus.” So, nothing to worry about, then.
August, I know you'll like this article :) It's pretty spot on about how one-sided most media outlets are.
The media shrug at their massive bungling of major stories.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/our-nevermind-media/
Right? The gyrations they have to do in order to twist the narrative is unbelievable.
The contrast in coverage of New York governor Andrew Cuomo and Florida governor Ron DeSantis seems to come from some bizarro world where the media considers nine deaths (https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/may/15/coronavirus-map-us-latest-cases-state-by-state) per 100,000 people (Florida) to be more alarming than 142 deaths per 100,000 people (New York).
Skybird
05-16-20, 05:55 AM
Another threat to Ceasar gets the dagger.
u crank
05-16-20, 07:04 AM
In politics rational thought is better than hysteria.
Onkel Neal
05-16-20, 09:51 AM
For all the blasting Trump got for foolish remarks about the pandemic leading up to his realization of what was happening, many other politicians were no better. (https://www.propublica.org/article/two-coasts-one-virus-how-new-york-suffered-nearly-10-times-the-number-of-deaths-as-california?utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=feature)
San Fran was way out ahead of NY (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2651360#post2651360), and the results show. Some in SF knew exactly what was coming
On Sunday, Feb. 23, Colfax said he was heading home from a weekend away in the Sierras. As his partner drove and the California landscape zipped by along I-80, Colfax reviewed data on his cellphone in the passenger seat. What he saw leapt off the screen: There was the attack rate, which is how quickly the virus spreads among an at-risk population; the death rate, which is how many people die once they get it; and then, perhaps most alarming, the lack of treatment options, which showed how quickly it could overwhelm a health system.
“This is not an incremental process,” he said he realized. “And it became really clear to me that we needed to act faster than the virus,” he said. “It wasn’t as though jurisdictions were saying, ‘Oh, we overreacted.’”
em2nought
05-16-20, 12:23 PM
Trump showed these mainstream media chowder heads a video of how often they got things wrong, and how often he got things right. All they could do is wonder if he used taxpayer money or government assets to produce the video. :har:
For your information
Freedom..is nothing but an illusion
Markus
Trump showed these mainstream media chowder heads a video of how often they got things wrong, and how often he got things right. All they could do is wonder if he used taxpayer money or government assets to produce the video. :har:
Most of them edited it out of their coverage as well. The media is too self important to have their own words and deeds thrown back at them.
The unmasking of Joe Biden
By Jonathan Turley, opinion contributor — 05/14/20 10:00 AM EDT
The declassification of material from the Michael Flynn case has exposed more chilling details of an effort by prosecutors to come up with a crime to use against the former national security adviser. This week, however, a letter revealed another unsettling detail. Among over three dozen Obama administration officials seeking to “unmask” Flynn in the investigation was former Vice President Joe Biden. This revelation came less than a day after Biden denied any involvement in the investigation of Flynn. It also follows a disclosure that President Obama was aware of that investigation.
For three years, many in the media have expressed horror at the notion of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 election. We know there was never credible evidence of such collusion. In recently released transcripts, a long list of Obama administration officials admitted they never saw any evidence of such Russian collusion. That included the testimony of Evelyn Farkas, a former White House adviser who was widely quoted by the media with her public plea for Congress to gather all of the evidence that she learned of as part of the Obama administration.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/497711-the-unmasking-of-joe-biden
Mr Quatro
05-16-20, 05:25 PM
Biden denied any involvement in the investigation of Flynn
It's a farce ... I hope everyone can see through this one :yep:
I have CNN which I don't watch all day long, those hours I do watch I have not heard anything on this Flynn-case, only Covid-19.
Markus
Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties
The Blue Party’s Trump-era Embrace of Authoritarianism Isn’t Just Wrong, it’s a Fatal Political Mistake
Matt Taibbi May 15
.......Democrats clearly believe constituents will forgive them for abandoning constitutional principles, so long as the targets of official inquiry are figures like Flynn or Paul Manafort or Trump himself. In the process, they’ve raised a generation of followers whose contempt for civil liberties is now genuine-to-permanent. Blue-staters have gone from dismissing constitutional concerns as Trumpian ruse to sneering at them, in the manner of French aristocrats, as evidence of proletarian mental defect.
Nowhere has this been more evident than in the response to the Covid-19 crisis, where the almost mandatory take of pundits is that any protest of lockdown measures is troglodyte death wish. The aftereffects of years of Russiagate/Trump coverage are seen everywhere: press outlets reflexively associate complaints of government overreach with Trump, treason, and racism, and conversely radiate a creepily gleeful tone when describing aggressive emergency measures and the problems some “dumb” Americans have had accepting them.....
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/democrats-have-abandoned-civil-liberties
Bilge_Rat
05-17-20, 08:11 AM
I have CNN which I don't watch all day long, those hours I do watch I have not heard anything on this Flynn-case, only Covid-19.
Markus
CNN gave up all its journalistic integrity a long time ago. They only cover stories that can potentially hurt Trump's re-election chances.
It used to be 24 hour coverage of the Russia-Collusion story when CNN thought it would take down Trump, but now that The Russia-Collusion story is turning around and going against the mainstream media and democrats, CNN is treating it as a "conspiracy theory" not worth reporting. :haha:
CNN gave up all its journalistic integrity a long time ago. They only cover stories that can potentially hurt Trump's re-election chances.
It used to be 24 hour coverage of the Russia-Collusion story when CNN thought it would take down Trump, but now that The Russia-Collusion story is turning around and going against the mainstream media and democrats, CNN is treating it as a "conspiracy theory" not worth reporting. :haha:
If it wasn't for this 10 minute long reportage on CNN about this guy who had been fired by Trump, then I would have said I think CNN is neutral in their covering the politics from the White House.
But after seeing this reportage, I really wonder how neutral CNN really are.
A news agency or paper-shall report in a neutral way.
Ordinary people like you and me have the right to have standpoint.
Markus
Mr Quatro
05-17-20, 10:11 AM
Obama gets paid to talk trash about President Trump ... a lot of money :yep:
https://www.thoughtco.com/former-presidents-speaking-fees-3368127
Less than a year after leaving office, former President Barack Obama came under fire from fellow Democrats when it was revealed he was being paid $1.2 million for three separate speeches to Wall Street groups. That's $400,000 per speech
Obama gets paid to talk trash about President Trump ... a lot of money :yep:
https://www.thoughtco.com/former-presidents-speaking-fees-3368127
Martha's Vineyard mansions and Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous is not cheap.
Mr Quatro
05-18-20, 08:56 AM
Can y'all help me figure out who's still getting paid during the coronavirus period of March to May?
It's almost over now maybe a couple of more weeks till the returning workers get their first pay checks and of course nothing is going to be the same, but who got paid during the shut down.
Whoever they are they aren't hurting like the rest of us :oops:
Essential workers, grocery stockers, clerks, cashiers, food delivery, take out food windows, food workers, UPS, Fedex, USPS, nurses, doctors except for dentist and such, military our sailors, army and air force and coast guard, border patrol, health department, FBI, DEA, CIA, NSA, HLS, press corps, news media, US Senate, US Congress, State and local politicians, officials and workers, jail county, state and feds ...
Leaves a whole lot of people out of work ... :yep:
What a time our country and yours has been going through and it's still not over ... like a ship that heals over from a big wave and struggles to straighten itself so will our country and it's citizen's be. :yep:
First of all a correction
There ain't a newspaper or agency who are fully neutral in covering their politicians in a country-Therefore CNN is not neutral as i wrote in my last statement-Sorry.
Some of you wrote
Give me Freedom or Give me Death.
In this Corona crisis I guess it should be changed to
Give me Freedom and your Death
(I don't care, I want my freedom even if it may cost your life)
Markus
First of all a correction
There ain't a newspaper or agency who are fully neutral in covering their politicians in a country-Therefore CNN is not neutral as i wrote in my last statement-Sorry.
Some of you wrote
Give me Freedom or Give me Death.
In this Corona crisis I guess it should be changed to
Give me Freedom and your Death
(I don't care, I want my freedom even if it may cost your life)
Markus
LOL... Depends on which side of the equation you're on doesn't it?
Kind of like the adage of.... one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
LOL... Depends on which side of the equation you're on doesn't it?
Kind of like the adage of.... one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
It's absolutely nothing wrong with demanding Freedom.
But with freedom follows responsibility
The bar(pub) I mentioned in another comment was in Wisconsin.
I remember I was thinking, when I saw some of the people sitting in that bar.
What if some of them are infected and are now contagious and now they sit there and infect others.
This is not showing responsibility. Very far from it.
Ok it's my opinion-which isn't worth much
Markus
em2nought
05-18-20, 06:47 PM
Instead of not charging anyone, everyone involved in Obamagate should be immediately charged. Right away President Trump should immediately pardon them all(for the good of the country). Give Richard Nixon some company on the forever tainted list without spending a dime. :D Ruin what they call a legacy for all time. Win, win, win! So much winning! :up: Liberal Judges and courts need not participate!
I remember I was thinking, when I saw some of the people sitting in that bar.
What if some of them are infected and are now contagious and now they sit there and infect others.
This is not showing responsibility. Very far from it.
Ok it's my opinion-which isn't worth much
I'm not sure how to respond without sounding flippant. If the people in the bar knew they had covid-19 and went to the bar anyway, that would be one thing, however forcing them to stay at home on the chance they might have or get covid-19 is another thing and and as Oregon just found out unconstitutional. (although the Governor is appealing that ruling. go figure, once they get power politicians are loath to give it up.)
em2nought
05-18-20, 11:34 PM
once they get power politicians are loath to give it up.
It doesn't help that "we've" now set a bad precedent by giving up our rights so easily. :hmmm:
Mr Quatro
05-19-20, 08:44 AM
It doesn't help that "we've" now set a bad precedent by giving up our rights so easily. :hmmm:
When did we give up our right to vote? :hmmm:
When did we give up our right to vote? :hmmm:
what kind of non-sequitur is that?
Skybird
05-20-20, 05:07 AM
Without choices voting is useless.
And if so, what then? Hobbits and Orks. Just Hobbits and Orks.
https://kollinfields.com/2019/12/12/hobbits-and-hooligans-revisiting-jason-brennans-against-democracy/
u crank
05-20-20, 06:22 AM
Without choices voting is useless.
And if so, what then? Hobbits and Orks. Just Hobbits and Orks.
https://kollinfields.com/2019/12/12/hobbits-and-hooligans-revisiting-jason-brennans-against-democracy/
From the linked article ...
Democracy is a tool, like a hammer, Brennan repeats. It’s only as good as its ability to achieve results. “If we can find a better hammer,” he writes, “we should use it” (11). Brennan’s recommendation is epistocracy: the rule of the knowledgeable.
From Wikionary...
epistocracy
1.Rule by citizens with political knowledge, or a proposed political system which concentrates political power in citizens according to their knowledge of public affairs, whether by distributing votes to citizens by their knowledge of political matters or some other means, as contrasted with democracy, in which the right to vote and political power are theoretically equally shared among all citizens.
2.A government run by citizens with political knowledge.
Found this picture, with this awful text.
I'm very uncertain if the text in this picture is breaking some of our rules in this forum. If it does, then dear Moderators feel free to erase it.
Talking about generalising, This is typical for some voters on both side.
They put every opponent into one bowl
Bilge_Rat
05-21-20, 01:28 PM
Winston Churchill once said "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
applies perfectly well to 2020 when many potential voters get their "news" from Facebook...:/\\!!
Winston Churchill once said "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
applies perfectly well to 2020 when many potential voters get their "news" from Facebook...:/\\!!
I have for month, if not years tried to convince my FB friends that a Danish forum would be a lot better to have when we discuss.
I have even given some fb-friends link to this forum, but they weren't interest because they wasn't allowed to use ugly words here
My friends is addicted to FB.
What about me then ?
Let me put it this way.
FB is unavailable, there's our forum and games to play.
Subsim is unavailable-A panic start to arise inside me.
Markus
Philadelphia Dem elections judge admits taking bribes to inflate vote counts
A former Democratic elections judge has pleaded guilty for his role in accepting bribes to cast fraudulent ballots and certifying false voting results in primary elections in Philadelphia, prosecutors announced Thursday.
Domenick J. Demuro, 73, admitted that while serving as an elected municipal Judge of Elections, he accepted bribes in exchange for adding ballots for certain candidates on the voting machines in his jurisdiction and for including the fraudulent ballots in official tallies during the 2014, 2015 and 2016 primary elections in Philadelphia.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/philadelphia-dem-elections-judge-admits-taking-bribes-inflate-vote-counts
many potential voters get their "news" from Facebook...:/\\!!
Yeh that's pretty bad, they should be viewing Twitter! :yep:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/philadelphia-dem-elections-judge-admits-taking-bribes-inflate-vote-counts
Not much has changed over the years, Lyndon Johnson got caught doing the same thing back in 1948 while running for the senate, and then went on to become President, go figure.
Rockstar
05-22-20, 10:10 AM
I dont know if I should laugh or cry :haha::wah::doh::o
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-you-aint-black-if-you-cant-decide-between-me-and-trump/
Joe Biden said in a Friday interview that a black voter who can’t decide between him and President Trump in the 2020 elections isn’t really black.
“If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,” Biden told radio DJ Charlamagne tha God on The Breakfast Club. 17:15 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=KOIFs_SryHI&feature=emb_logo
LOL, there was a reason Obama hid him from the media for 8 years.
Obama’s political police
Liars, leakers and lawyers
Leonard Toboroff (https://spectator.us/author/leonard-toboroff/)
...
Winston Churchill once noted that socialist regimes or despots can only retain power if they suppress dissent or even crush discontent by using a political police. Consider the OGPU and then the KGB of the Soviets, or Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, or the odious apparatus of the Nazi Gestapo. The dazzling array of Obama’s subordinates in the executive branch, agencies and bureaucracies, and his allies in Congress and the media, not forgetting ‘cleanup man’ Mueller amounts in functional terms to an odious apparatus, a political police in America.
https://spectator.us/obama-political-police/
u crank
05-23-20, 09:40 AM
https://spectator.us/obama-political-police/
The other story here is the way this will be handled by the left wing media. The New York Times and the Washington Post won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for "deeply sourced, relentlessly reported coverage in the public interest that dramatically furthered the nation’s understanding of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and its connections to the Trump campaign, the President-elect’s transition team and his eventual administration."
Can you imagine for even a moment what they would find out if they put the same effort into investigating the Obama administration's misdeeds.
Don't hold your breath though. Instead you will see a very concerted effort by them and CNN/MSNBC to defend Obama and all of his fellow travellers, especially Joe Biden. Maybe they will win another Pulitzer for their 'deeply sourced, relentlessly reporting'.
The New York Times and the Washington Post won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for "deeply sourced, relentlessly reported coverage in the public interest that dramatically furthered the nation’s understanding of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and its connections to the Trump campaign, the President-elect’s transition team and his eventual administration."
A Pulizer for being 100% wrong. ("We can't be wrong because we got a Pulitzer for our lies, erm reporting")
They should have their awards revoked because it's obvious now that their coverage was not deeply sourced at all and their relentless MISreporting only furthered the nations MISunderstanding of Russian election interference and it's Trump connections.
It's like giving the Pulitzer to the Chicago Tribune for the "Dewey Wins" headline but even that was just a mistake. It's like Obama getting the Nobel prize for what they thought he might do but worse because they knew better.
Whether it's American, British, German or some other countries, the politics and their politicians are the same.
I say he's right, this Danish journalist, expert on American politics.
The Danish news channel had an issue with Biden's not-so-clever-answer to an Afro American citizens.
Where he should have said something like
"Then you're truly not an American"
This Journalist then said:
From memory
Once again they approach the problem wrongfully. If the Dem doesn't find out how, why a.s.o they lost to Trump...they most likely will lose the next election too.
Markus
Where he should have said something like
"Then you're truly not an American"
Biden also used the slang word "ain't" which is a pretty bald faced attempt at pandering. You have to speak the peasants language for them to understand you type of thing. I don't imagine that will go over very well in the African American community either.
Biden also used the slang word "ain't" which is a pretty bald faced attempt at pandering. You have to speak the peasants language for them to understand you type of thing. I don't imagine that will go over very well in the African American community either.
It was pretty cringe worthy, but expected, this type of performance in front of the media is the reason Obama hid Biden from the press for 8 years.
If I recall correctly Biden had 1 or 2 press conferences at the beginning of Obama's first term, He said something controversial or misspoke both times and after that no more press conferences.
Catfish
05-25-20, 01:28 AM
It was pretty cringe worthy, but expected, [...] said something controversial or misspoke both times [...]
He must be the only one in US politics :hmmm::O:
I am quite happy that not all what german politicians say is being posted anywhere :oops:
u crank
05-25-20, 05:31 AM
It was pretty cringe worthy, but expected, this type of performance in front of the media is the reason Obama hid Biden from the press for 8 years.
If I recall correctly Biden had 1 or 2 press conferences at the beginning of Obama's first term, He said something controversial or misspoke both times and after that no more press conferences.
What is wrong with the Democrat Party? Why can't they put forward a young, reasonable and sensible candidate that would be accepted by their members? It's not like they don't have time. After eight years of the Obama presidency, Hillary Clinton was the best available candidate? A person who among other things used an unsecured email server to carry out her duties as Secretary of State. And after three and a half years of the Trump Presidency ... Joe Biden.
This isn't about Trump or Biden, it's about the Democrat hierarchy and their complete lack of vision.
It's not so much a lack of vision, as there are too many different visions (ie: special interests) all vying for attention, and the democratic leadership has a hard time prioritizing and focusing on the important ones.
Here's a case in point, Biden is presumed to be the Democratic Presidential nominee, He needs to pick a running mate, and all we hear in the media is how he needs to pick a woman, preferably of color, so he doesn't lose votes. News flash, I want the best qualified candidate, and I don't care about that candidates race, gender or sexual orientation.
Everywhere in the world of politics and politicians it's very common a party accuse other parties or politicians for the lost they have suffered in an election.
It also happens, which is not so common, that a party also accuse the ordinary voters - When a party does this...they have lost whatever they may have left of common sense.
If the Dem have accused an American voters and thereby the rest, for not being an American, just because s/he have put their vote on an another candidate/Trump.
In my view, they have lost every inch of common sense they may have left.
Markus
Onkel Neal
05-25-20, 02:23 PM
Biden also used the slang word "ain't" which is a pretty bald faced attempt at pandering. You have to speak the peasants language for them to understand you type of thing. I don't imagine that will go over very well in the African American community either.
That reminds me of the times Hillary would go into a black preacher accent when addressing a black church. Pretty shameless, and pretty sad the black people don't call bs on that kind of pandering.
https://youtu.be/bWRoEpYuHwI
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/is-hillary-clinton-using-a-fake-southern-accent_n_5b563466e4b086f60991ba4b
Catfish
05-25-20, 03:10 PM
^ quite embarrassing, but what is this compared to what Trump has said and done? He will get through with anything.
Mr Quatro
05-25-20, 04:06 PM
^ quite embarrassing, but what is this compared to what Trump has said and done? He will get through with anything.
The next Joe Biden blunder could cost him the election he is less than honest about his past ... In fact JB just plain out and out lies and blames it on forgetfulness.
He can 't even hope to win a face to face debate with Donald Trump without making another blunder. :yep:
u crank
05-25-20, 04:20 PM
^ quite embarrassing, but what is this compared to what Trump has said and done? He will get through with anything.
Well there is a difference though. Let's assume that everything that the OrangeManBad crowd says about Trump is true. That he's a racist/White supremacist/Nazi. The same people who say that claim that Democrat leadership and party faithful are the exact opposite. If you are going to claim the high ground you better live up to it.
What Biden said is borderline racist and certainly pandering. But more importantly it shows the long held belief that African American voters do not have a choice when casting their ballots.
One thing is what a voter are hoping will happen to a politician/candidate another thing is reality.
OK JB have made mistakes and you probably would say -some of them was big mistake but will it be enough to loose the coming election ?
Because in a Danish article some days ago, an American survey says Trump would only get 30-something percentage, if there was an election today.
Markus
Because in a Danish article some days ago, an American survey says Trump would only get 30-something percentage, if there was an election today.Those polls said the same exact thing last election with Clinton, and look how that turned out.
Catfish
05-26-20, 01:40 AM
@ u crank: You misunderstand. Just listen to one of his speeches, or read one of his tweets. This is the US president?
Trump uses a kind of primitive bullying speech and hate trying to intimidate his "enemies" (=anyone who is perceived as a threat in this second); at Memorial Day he let out a flood of insults and most primitive accusations via twitter because "THE FAKE MEDIA" dared to mention him going golfing, the least being of Mrs Clinton being a "skank", another accusing Obama for playing golf (what?). Then he went on to his usual self-appraisal. True presidential dignity and moral high ground?
A lot of what critics say about Trump is true of course. But he is not a Nazi, i doubt he even knows what that means. He is also not the devil, who is supposed to be cunning, intelligent and getting things done effectively. A little racist and mysogynist, well if he thinks it helps winning elections. No one in the rest of the world thinks "US democrats" are much better, but this is not about democrats at all, right-wing dictators like Li Jinping as Putin see Trump personally as a thick, rich spoilt child, a newly-rich parvenu, an incompetent show-offer and unsympathetic liar, irresponsible and untrustworthy, and easy to manipulate. This is not even claiming moral high ground, this is contempt. He makes them look competent, in comparison. And it is very sad for the US, and its allies :nope:
edit: look i am not really interested in pointing out the obvious, you only see what you want to see, fine, your funeral. Apart from seeing someone as sympathetic or being in the "right" party i have some very real problems with this man. It is not about americans thinking they are not yet selfish enough (though this really still bewilders me), or having other opinions, but this man has a completely different perception of reality. He denies any reason, or evidence, or science. While he tries to heave his followers and family into important positions just like the Borgias, he is even far from understanding those medieval chieftains.
He closes already small national parks and nature reserves to make it available for exploiting more resources, cutting down more forests, giving a sh!t about pollution and making the "environment" less habitable. He is not alone i know but i expect this from e.g. car manufacturers or people like Bolsonaro or Jinping, not from the US president. He is short-sighted and prefers instant personal and economical gain, he has no empathy, no understanding. Talking blithering nonsense all the time, he tries to downplay the risks of the virus while ten thousands will die due to his mismanagement just because a buzzword like freedom gets him votes. He accuses others to divert from his shortcomings, he divides people and spreads paranoia, he lets himself manipulate without even having any suspicion against real enemies. And this is by far not all.
And.. why do i even bother. Nothing will change this.
u crank
05-26-20, 05:49 AM
@ u crank: You misunderstand. Just listen to one of his speeches, or read one of his tweets. This is the US president?
Frankly I don't care what he says on Twitter. I'm not interested in what he says but what he does and doesn't do. Talk is cheap. And as I have said here in this thread in the past, I am not a fan of Mr. Trump. But he is the President and will be until Nov 4 2020. Please don't confuse my criticism of Biden with an admiration of Trump. I can criticize some of what he has done policy wise but I agree with some of what he has done as well. Much of what you say about him and his bad habits is true. I'm not disagreeing with you.
But here is something he has yet to do. He has not used the powers he has with the DOJ, FBI, CIA and the IRS to go after his political enemies including a Presidential candidate. Obama used those powers to derail a Presidential candidate and then to interfere with the incoming administration. To me that is the line that can't be crossed. And everyday we are finding out just how much that line was crossed and who was involved. And it appears that almost everyone in that administration was involved, including Joe Biden.
..look i am not really interested in pointing out the obvious, you only see what you want to see, fine, your funeral.
The previous President likely checked all the boxes for you. Eloquent and well educated. Suave and a smooth talker. So what? We now are seeing what he was up to and and it is shocking. What do you think of that? These people and there is a long list of them were quite happy to use the power that they had to go after their political enemies. They used those powers to seek revenge on a guy like Michael Flynn. It wasn't bad Twitter habits and it wasn't silly name calling. They wanted to put this man in jail because he dared question Obama's policies. I don't know about you but I think that is an abuse of power that should be called out. When Mr. Trump crosses that line I will join the OrangeManBad crowd. Until then I am just an interested observer.
The old adage is that there is the party of stupid and the party of evil. I'll take stupid over evil anyday.
Catfish
05-26-20, 06:41 AM
When will you just come down from your (Trump-initiated) conspiracy tree and look at facts or evidence? You say you do not "like" Trump and know that he is lying, why do you quote or believe him then? I do not care if "not liking", stupid or evil or moral pretext, lies are lies.
"Spygate" or "Obamagate" are Trump's own inventions. Wiretapping used against Trump, ordered by Obama. "Shocking"? BULL.
Trump does not hold back at all when it comes to blaming others; that anyone cold even consider this as founded or take it serious for a second, when it is presented via twitter and on such a low and ridiculous level, is "shocking". More of a welcome bait and distraction of T. to blame others for the virus and get more votes. It is shocking how much seem to fall for this nonsense.
"The White House press corps often gets accused — and sometimes deservedly so — of tossing softball questions at President Trump, but last Monday the Washington Post’s Philip Rucker threw one at the 45th POTUS that looked like one of Jamie Moyer’s late-career 60 mph “fastballs” that hung right over the plate, middle-in.
“You appeared to accuse [former president Barack] Obama of a crime yesterday — what did he do?" Rucker asked.
Instead of slamming it into the second deck, Trump whiffed, badly. For several days, the never-too-busy-to-tweet-while-90,000-Americans-are-dying president has been on the warpath about a scandal that he called “Obamagate” — or more typically, “OBAMAGATE!” — that he insisted was “the biggest political crime in American history” and that also “makes Watergate look small-time.”
Now if he could just explain what the darn thing is! "
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/what-is-obamagate-trump-william-barr-michael-flynn-fbi-20200517.html
Reuters:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-obamagate-explainer-idUSKBN22Q1JL
Some of a hundred articles, though "probably" and "astonishingly" not to find in such "respectable" media like Breitbart, American Thinker, Daily Caller or Fox News.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52622038
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/trumps-obamagate-tweets-timed-to-rally-base-ahead-of-close-election
Onkel Neal
05-26-20, 07:48 AM
Meanwhile, the Democrats are praying that the economy stays crashed until after the election, but experts are beginning to suspect we may see a startlingly robust recovery.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/26/2020-election-democrats-281470
In early April, Jason Furman, a top economist in the Obama administration and now a professor at Harvard, was speaking via Zoom to a large bipartisan group of top officials from both parties. The economy had just been shut down, unemployment was spiking, and some policymakers were predicting an era worse than the Great Depression. The economic carnage seemed likely to doom President Donald Trump’s chances at reelection.
Furman, tapped to give the opening presentation, looked into his screen of poorly lit boxes of frightened wonks and made a startling claim.
“We are about to see the best economic data we’ve seen in the history of this country,” he said.
The former cabinet secretaries and Federal Reserve chairs in the Zoom boxes were confused, though some of the Republicans may have been newly relieved and some of the Democrats suddenly concerned.
“Everyone looked puzzled and thought I had misspoken,” Furman said in an interview. Instead of forecasting a prolonged depression-level economic catastrophe, Furman laid out a detailed case for why the months preceding the November election could offer Trump the chance to brag — truthfully — about the most explosive monthly employment numbers and GDP growth ever.
Since the Zoom call, Furman has been making the same case to anyone who will listen, especially the close-knit network of Democratic wonks who have traversed the Clinton and Obama administrations together, including top members of the Biden campaign.
Furman’s counterintuitive pitch has caused some Democrats, especially Obama alumni, around Washington to panic. “This is my big worry,” said a former Obama White House official who is still close to the former president. Asked about the level of concern among top party officials, he said, “It’s high — high, high, high, high.”
And top policy officials on the Biden campaign are preparing for a fall economic debate that might look very different than the one predicted at the start of the pandemic in March. “They are very much aware of this,” said an informal adviser.
Furman’s case begins with the premise that the 2020 pandemic-triggered economic collapse is categorically different than the Great Depression or the Great Recession, which both had slow, grinding recoveries.
Instead, he believes, the way to think about the current economic drop-off, at least in the first two phases, is more like what happens to a thriving economy during and after a natural disaster: a quick and steep decline in economic activity followed by a quick and steep rebound.
The Covid-19 recession started with a sudden shuttering of many businesses, a nationwide decline in consumption, and massive increase in unemployment. But starting around April 15, when economic reopening started to spread but the overall numbers still looked grim, Furman noticed some data that pointed to the kind of recovery that economists often see after a hurricane or industry-wide catastrophe like the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.
Consumption and hiring started to tick up “in gross terms, not in net terms,” Furman said, describing the phenomenon as a “partial rebound.” The bounce back “can be very very fast, because people go back to their original job, they get called back from furlough, you put the lights back on in your business. Given how many people were furloughed and how many businesses were closed you can get a big jump out of that. It will look like a V.”
Catfish
05-26-20, 08:21 AM
^ but Furman is umm was an "Obama economist" :D
Seriously that would be good news, and probably not only for America :)
skidman
05-26-20, 08:46 AM
And everyday we are finding out just how much that line was crossed and who was involved.
Nope. Nobody is finding out anything. William Barr is not interested. Durham is chasing lower-level FBI attorneys. The POTUS knows exactly who he is mad at but unable to explain why. Nothing but hot air and nothing but cotton wool between Trump's ears.
u crank
05-26-20, 08:53 AM
When will you just come down from your (Trump-initiated) conspiracy tree and look at facts or evidence?
"Spygate" or "Obamagate" are Trump's own inventions.
Evidence.
2017 interview on PBS’s News Hour between Judy Woodruff and Susan Rice U.S. National Security Advisor in the Obama Administration.
“We’ve been following a disclosure by [Chairman Nunes] that in essence, during the final days of the Obama administration, during the transition after President Trump had been elected, that he and the people around him may have been caught up in surveillance of foreign individuals and their identities may have been disclosed. Do you know anything about this?” anchor Judy Woodruff asked Rice.
“I know nothing about this,” Rice answered. “I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that count today.”
From the recently declassified email that Rice sent to herself on January 20, 2017.
On January 5, following a briefing by IC leadership on Russian hacking during the 2016 Presidential election, President Obama had a brief follow-on conversation with FBI Director Jim Comey and Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates in the Oval Office. Vice President Biden and I were also present.
From a national security perspective, however, President Obama said he wants to be sure that, as we engage with the incoming team, we are mindful to ascertain if there is any reason that we cannot share information fully as it relates to Russia.
The President asked Comey to inform him if anything changes in the next few weeks that should affect how we share classified information with the incoming team. Comey said he would.
We now know that they did gather evidence on Trump campaign people. Four FISA warrents on Carter Page. Rice is one of many Obama officials who have lied in public.
And here we have an outgoing administration discussing keeping intelligence secrets from an incoming administration. And there is pretty good evidence that they did just that. Comey's meeting with Trump about the Steele dossier is an example.
If this kind of stuff doesn't disturb your sensibilities about political abuse of power I don't know what to say. This is banana republic kind of behavior, not the stuff of a Republic like the USA. I know that some people on the political left are not at all disturbed by this. In fact they encourage it if it fulfills their OrangeManBad fantasies. You know it is possible to be a critic of both sides of the political divide.
I didn't write that email. Donald Trump didn't write that email. Susan Rice the U.S. National Security Advisor wrote it. It is a matter of public record.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Susan_Rice_January_20,_2017_E-mail_to_Self
Skybird
05-26-20, 10:27 AM
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/streitkultur-im-netz-ist-das-internet-zu-amerikanisch-16782949.html
Many people consider the out-of-control culture of disputes on the Internet as a consequence of technology. It is primarily concerned with the country of origin of the network companies.
When you fly to America for the first time as a tourist, you experience an eye-opening moment. He sees the streets, the taxis, the people and understands: the world he knows from American evening series is not an artificial, over-the-top television fantasy. It is the ordinary American everyday life.
It is similar with our discussion culture on the Internet. Many Germans see the way people argue on the Internet as something artificial. They believe that this is due to the technology. On the net, they say, things are just wild and uncontrolled. Others believe that hatred arises because we hear speech files on the Internet without context. What an anonymous tiradeur pounds into the keys after a third glass of red wine at night shakes his head at breakfast in the morning. It is far too rarely noticed that the ultra-liberal culture of disputes that American companies create on the Internet has something to do with their country of origin. The network is not simply the network. It is deeply American.
In America, a citizen must not only publicly deny the Holocaust, assert the superiority of the white race, and call for the establishment of a one-party communist dictatorship. He can also count on his fellow citizens to answer his suggestions in a very open manner. America is a confrontational society in many areas. The prosecutor speaks against the accused, who defends himself with everything he has. The doctor sells the most expensive treatment, the patient changes his practice indignantly. Young people practice the greatest possible confrontation even in school debating clubs. If one roars, it is roared back.
Freedom of speech also has limits in America. Calls for direct violence, the spreading of nude photos, copyright violations and - keyword Corona - lies are forbidden, which put people in immediate danger. Germans know this as a Facebook rule: Liberality is great when it comes to agitation, but female nipples are strictly prohibited. It is the values of the American Republic. Not all of them fit Germany.
At Corona, too, Facebook, Google and Twitter follow these American values. There they act brutally against false news and conspiracy theories. Your algorithms suddenly prefer reputable sources. It is difficult to find conspiracy theorists via Google under “Covid-19”. An invisible hand sorts information into good and bad. This is not the end of the propaganda, but it is more than the companies have ever tried. You only try it because it is about health. They would not be so keen on political extremists. This is not common in America.
German and American democracy are not defensive in the same way. In America, the citizens theoretically do this on their own initiative. In Germany they are more likely to wait for authorities. Who is cut off depends on whether and when the authorities classify someone as extremist. Those who prefer American must allow sedition and let neo-Nazis run free. Otherwise it is not consistent. The Corona period should therefore lead us to think about how American our network culture should be.
Justus Bender
Justus Bender, editor in the politics of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung.
The American differences to Germany both have positive and negative aspects. Both countries in my view represent extremes, and extremes in themselves hardly ever cause moderation and modesty.
Trump is a destructive, hyperaggressive agitator, his aggressiveness is bred by his inborn extreme narcissism; no rethoric trick is to cheap, no lie to obviously a lie and no rumbling behaviour too indecent as if he wpould not bring it if he sees a personal advantage - its always about his personal advantage, not necessarily the country's advanatge. Now this enfant terrible, further encouraged by his intellectual deficits and lack of education, performs on a stage like the Americna culture as outline din that article above, a culture that is extrenely focusse don competition, fightign for the purpose fo fighting, and winning so that the winner can, must and is expcted t always take it all. Two parties: not three, not four. The election system again takes no prisoners. Everythign seems to be desoigned for maximising polarization and a "dualization." How could have thigns gone any different than they have in the past decades? Notice, I say decacades, not just "the past three years". I repeatedly said that I see Trump not as the cause and origin of the deep division in American politics and society, but as a symptom. He is a logical result of the cirucmnstances.
Where the winner always takes it all and only Black and White, Ones and Zeroes, exist, there is no middle ground left left anymore where one could meet and talk.
America is an ill-tempered power-giant on steroids. Thats what makes it an unpredictable danger and completely unreliable actor for everybody else. When things do not go like it wants, this aemrica now stomps its feet in blind rage, and kicks and beats and yells around blindly. It hurts itself that way, it hurts other,s and it does not care.
Because the looser has to fall.
The extreme fixiation of America on "cxomeotitipon" I compoare to an auto-.immune n reaction. A stroign immuhne system is all nice and well, but it could start to bite at an invading bug so strn gly that it starts toattack its own body, and its organs. And then it is becoming a problem for the whole organism.
This attitude makes communicaiton impossible. And the political debate here shows it, since long time. It snot about arguments, its nto about provavbly truths and confirmed untruths, but.lies are acceptable and cheating is fully respectable, becasue it is no loner about all this. Its just about winning for the purpose of seeing the other loosing.
This is what Trumps depends on to secure his power, to feed the masses' craving for this: their gladiator standing tall and triumphantly in the arena, and the other's blood in the sand.
This is not the death of reason. Reason was assassinated already long time ago.
That are all the reasons why I think that if Trump one day leaves office, not much will change. Hardly anything. And many, many people will even demand that it shall be like that.
I haven't changed my mind on Trump as your President.
I have however a real wish that he may win the upcoming Presidential election, this has to do with all these awful attacks on the voters who had put their vote on Trump or are supporting him.
On that occasion I truly hope he will win a second term.
I know, I know it's also the same the other way around.
But their candidate isn't the President and they would most likely not be exposed to such an verbal assault as Trump is....(sorry my famous memory-door, just closed)
Markus
Mr Quatro
05-26-20, 11:55 AM
Meanwhile, the Democrats are praying that the economy stays crashed until after the election, but experts are beginning to suspect we may see a startlingly robust recovery.
How sweet that would be perhaps even gain the House back and keep the Senate too :yep:
Funny how this all works ... :yep:
Bilge_Rat
05-26-20, 03:10 PM
When will you just come down from your (Trump-initiated) conspiracy tree and look at facts or evidence? You say you do not "like" Trump and know that he is lying, why do you quote or believe him then? I do not care if "not liking", stupid or evil or moral pretext, lies are lies.
Actually, there is a strategy behind all this. We are in the middle of an election campaign which will be very close and in which every one will fight very dirty. I only give Trump a 50/50 chance of re-election, as of now.
What a lot of people tend to forget, even though it has been reported often, is that Trump only writes some of his tweets, most are written by a team behind him. All the tweets are writtten for the same purpose, to micro-target some group which may tip the balance in certain swing states. That is the same strategy Trump used in 2016.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/trump-scavino-1327921
Are the tweets true or false? That is not important, the only thing that matters is whether it motivates some group to support and vote for Trump. The whole election will be decided by some independent/undecided voters in swing states representing at most 5% of total voters.
Of course, the MSM keeps falling into the same "outrage" trap and wind up amplifying the actual tweet instead of trying to figure out what group Trump is targeting.
Bilge_Rat
05-26-20, 03:31 PM
..and if you are interested in Trumpology, there was an interesting article in WIRED sharing tips on how to figure out which tweets Trump probably wrote himself:
https://www.wired.com/story/tell-when-someone-else-tweets-from-realdonaldtrump/
Bilge_Rat
05-26-20, 04:35 PM
And since we are on the subject, if anyone is wondering why Twitter will never ban Trump or remove his tweets, it is because of "Parler":
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/28/trump-campaign-twitter-1345357
"Parler" is a competitor and Twitter like social media, still relatively small and unknown, but works as well as twitter. If Twitter ever bans Trump, Trump and his followers and many other users will move to "Parler", instantly creating a real threat to Twitter.
like everyhting else in life, it all comes down to money...:ping:
Are the tweets true or false? That is not important, the only thing that matters is whether it motivates some group to support and vote for Trump. The whole election will be decided by some independent/undecided voters in swing states representing at most 5% of total voters.
FYI: Independent voters make up about 35-40% of registered voters, they are the ones that generally decide elections.
Catfish
05-27-20, 01:21 AM
Actually, there is a strategy behind all this. We are in the middle of an election campaign which will be very close [...].
I did not quote all, but this was a most interesting post, well worth thinking about.
And since we are on the subject, if anyone is wondering why Twitter will never ban Trump or remove his tweets, it is because of "Parler":
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/28/trump-campaign-twitter-1345357
"Parler" is a competitor and Twitter like social media, still relatively small and unknown, but works as well as twitter. If Twitter ever bans Trump, Trump and his followers and many other users will move to "Parler", instantly creating a real threat to Twitter.
like everyhting else in life, it all comes down to money...:ping:
Seems it will soon happen..
Link: "Twitter labeled Trump tweets with a fact check for the first time" (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/26/tech/twitter-trump-fact-check/index.html)
"….Twitter is completely stifling FREE SPEECH, and I, as President, will not allow it to happen!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 26, 2020"
Skybird
05-27-20, 02:19 PM
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/showdown_ts/25866458/2-format1007.jpg
More about government than the virus itself:
Implementing mandatory mask policies across a society of 300 million because it makes some people feel better is absurd on its face. But the policy makes a lot of sense if you understand its purpose and usefulness to shift the American mindset.
Mandatory masks are a critical predicate conditioning us to accept abuses of our liberty. Mandatory masking provides the foundation on which governments continue to justify emergency measures and rule by executive fiat, and it creates a national mood of consent that America will accept indefinite government expansion because we face a “new normal.”
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/27/mandatory-masks-arent-about-safety-theyre-about-social-control/
..which leaves out the Global Pandemic part. :doh:
I told you folks about face masks back when this all started, when you saw pictures of people in Asia wearing face masks- they were the ones who were contagious. :yep:
The mask doesn't make you a social outcast, it just tells the rest of the crowd that you have the crud and you don't want to spread it around.
Don't over-think this idea. Its mostly a nice form of social etiquette when you live in a high density population.
It's good to see that some judges get it.
(Note: The following is an excerpt from Judge McHaney's recent ruling in the case of Mainer vs. Pritzker, a lawsuit brought by an Illinois small business owner against the Governor's stay-at-home order.)
Our economy is shut down because of a flu virus with a 98 percent plus survival rate. Doctors and experts say different things weekly. The defendant cites models in his opposition. The only thing experts will agree on is that all models are wrong and some are useful. The Centers for Disease Control now says the virus is not easily spread on surfaces.
The defendant in this case orders you to stay home and pronounces that, if you leave the state, you are putting people in danger, but his family members traveled to Florida and Wisconsin because he deems such travel essential. One initial rationale why the rules don't apply to him is that his family farm had animals that needed fed. Try selling that argument to farmers who have had to slaughter their herds because of disruption in the supply chain.
When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled.
Make no mistake, these executive orders are not laws. They are royal decrees. Illinois citizens are not being governed, they are being ruled. The last time I checked Illinois citizens are also Americans and Americans don't get ruled. The last time a monarch tried to rule Americans, a shot was fired that was heard around the world. That day led to the birth of a nation consensually governed based upon a document which ensures that on this day in this, any American courtroom tyrannical despotism will always lose and liberty, freedom and the constitution will always win.
Catfish
05-28-20, 01:41 AM
So Twitter adds a fact check to Trump's messages, Trump says it limits free speech, and now he wants to shut down social media.
After Twitter fact-check, Trump threatens to regulate or close down social media platforms.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/27/after-twitter-fact-check-trump-threatens-to-regulate-or-close-down-social-media-platforms/
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets.
https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/npr/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-to-his-tweets
But Freeeeedom, i am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you :D
But then i am all for that, i could live well without the asocial media :03:
Could Trump?
Buddahaid
05-28-20, 02:48 AM
It's good to see that some judges get it.
And everyone can find what they want to hear listening on the fringes.
Buddahaid
05-28-20, 10:08 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52775216
Seems to be a fair criticism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52775216
Seems to be a fair criticism.
Of course you'd say that, but you also probably think that the FBI didn't railroad General Flynn. Personally I see it as a biased piece of crap.
For example I didn't notice much criticism of Saint Cuomo ordering rest homes to take covid patients or Nancys invitation to come hang out in China town or the many other instances of Dems doing exactly what they accuse Trump of doing.
"That’s what we’re trying to do today is to say everything is fine here. Come because precautions have been taken. The city is on top of the situation." - Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24th telling people worried about possible infestion to come to San Francisco.
I do not know how your vote by mail works.
Vote by mail in Denmark can only be done in one of our many public places
These vote by mail is then picked up by some type of courier(if I remember correctly) and not the ordinary postman since those vote is considered secret. And some other things. Such as they have been put in a box with a locker on and only the receiver have the key
It is therefor very unlikely they could be stolen or altered with.
How is the procedure in USA.
What happens after an American have used this option vote by mail.
Reason to why I ask Is if Trump is correct in what he have stated on Twitter
Markus
I do not know how your vote by mail works.
Vote by mail in Denmark can only be done in one of our many public places
These vote by mail is then picked up by some type of courier(if I remember correctly) and not the ordinary postman since those vote is considered secret. And some other things. Such as they have been put in a box with a locker on and only the receiver have the key
It is therefor very unlikely they could be stolen or altered with.
How is the procedure in USA.
What happens after an American have used this option vote by mail.
Reason to why I ask Is if Trump is correct in what he have stated on Twitter
Markus
Well except for the mail part the "many public places" that you mention sounds a lot like our regular polling stations. The way they work here is when you arrive you identify yourself to the poll worker who checks you off the list of eligible voters. They hand you a blank voting ballot which you take into one of the booths and fill it out with your choices. Once you are done you put the completed ballot into the locked ballot box and they check you off as having done so. Nobody can see who you voted for. Campaign workers are not allowed on the premises. They can literally pay you for your vote, even drive you to the polls in a bus but they have no way of telling just how you voted.
The vote by mail they are talking about here is the exact opposite. They will mail a ballot to you at home or party HQ or wherever you have listed as your mailing address. Assuming it arrives on time or at all you fill it out, possibly with a party representative looking over your shoulder or maybe even filling it out for you, and then you (or somebody) drops it in any regular US Post Office mail box. See the potential problem with this setup?
I vote by mail, have done so for 20+ years. I get a mail in ballot about 30 days prior to the election. I have a whole month to research the issues and check out the candidates. 3 or 4 days before the election I sit down and fill out the ballot, I sign and seal it. It then sits on my desk until election day when I or my wife will take it down to our designated polling place and drop it off. I could mail it in or drop it at the county recorder's office early, but then it might get lost or misplaced. ;)
Well except for the mail part the "many public places" that you mention sounds a lot like our regular polling stations. The way they work here is when you arrive you identify yourself to the poll worker who checks you off the list of eligible voters. They hand you a blank voting ballot which you take into one of the booths and fill it out with your choices. Once you are done you put the completed ballot into the locked ballot box and they check you off as having done so. Nobody can see who you voted for. Campaign workers are not allowed on the premises. They can literally pay you for your vote, even drive you to the polls in a bus but they have no way of telling just how you voted.
The vote by mail they are talking about here is the exact opposite. They will mail a ballot to you at home or party HQ or wherever you have listed as your mailing address. Assuming it arrives on time or at all you fill it out, possibly with a party representative looking over your shoulder or maybe even filling it out for you, and then you (or somebody) drops it in any regular US Post Office mail box. See the potential problem with this setup?
Thank you August for your reply.
Well then Trump could be right.
Some more information about voting by mail in Denmark
A Danish citizen can vote by mail in the following places:
1. The population registers and citizen services in all municipalities
2. In hospitals
3. In nursing homes, sheltered housing and in elderly homes
4. In prisons, detention centers, etc.
5. In one's own home if you cannot leave your home due to illness
6. On remote islands
7. Abroad
As you can see in point 5, only a person who are ill can vote from home and here this person need two witness-Two person s/he doesn't know.
And this box with all these ballot is send by courier
A vote by mail in Denmark is not the same as the ordinary election day.
On this day there will be thousands of polling stations around the country.
Markus
Thank you August for your reply.
Well then Trump could be right.
Some more information about voting by mail in Denmark
A Danish citizen can vote by mail in the following places:
1. The population registers and citizen services in all municipalities
2. In hospitals
3. In nursing homes, sheltered housing and in elderly homes
4. In prisons, detention centers, etc.
5. In one's own home if you cannot leave your home due to illness
6. On remote islands
7. Abroad
As you can see in point 5, only a person who are ill can vote from home and here this person need two witness-Two person s/he doesn't know.
And this box with all these ballot is send by courier
A vote by mail in Denmark is not the same as the ordinary election day.
On this day there will be thousands of polling stations around the country.
Markus
That sounds like a pretty good system Markus. :up:
Skybird
05-29-20, 02:58 PM
Trump just plays the distraction game currently, may it be HongKong, may it be Twitter, may it be email voting. All that is not really his cause, its a classical distraction manouver only. He has gotten wonderful - superficially seen - economy numbers being vaporised by Corona and replaced with the worst still unfolding economic recession ever, exploding unemployment, gallopping money devaluation - and thus now must seriously fear to lose elections. The main - since it is the only - project of this administration is in danger, and this project is: TRUMP.
Trump just plays the distraction game currently, may it be HongKong, may it be Twitter, may it be email voting. All that is not really his cause, its a classical distraction manouver only. He has gotten wonderful - superficially seen - economy numbers being vaporised by Corona and replaced with the worst still unfolding economic recession ever, exploding unemployment, gallopping money devaluation - and thus now must seriously fear to lose elections. The main - since it is the only - project of this administration is in danger, and this project is: TRUMP.
All I can say is :roll:
em2nought
05-29-20, 03:30 PM
I wonder what percentage of voters were Republicans who Cuomo permanently disenfranchised by sending covid-19 into the nursing homes? I wonder if that occurred to him during his decision making process? :hmmm: Cuomo's either a dumb @ss, or he's ruthless.
Buddahaid
05-31-20, 08:30 PM
This whole election has turned into the stable Donald Duck verses Goofy. I'm voting for anybody else. :doh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBf4ClJwoY
Onkel Neal
05-31-20, 09:38 PM
Yeah, that's what I did last time. sigh
I see Trump is doing his usual turning a bad situation into a worse one with the George Floyd problem.
Buddahaid
05-31-20, 09:51 PM
Love the lyrics to the RKO Donald Duck cartoons.
Who's got the sweetest disposition?
One guess--guess who!
Who never never starts an argument? (Woman: Hmmmm?)
Who never shows a bit of temperament?
Who's never wrong but always right? (Donald: Yeah?)
Who'd never dream of starting a fight? (Donald: That so?!)
Who gets stuck with all the bad luck?
No one...(Donald quacks angrily) but Donald Duck! (Donald: Yeah!)
Mr Quatro
06-01-20, 08:38 AM
June 1st 2020 is just five (5) months and a few days till the National Electons
Nothing like last year with the GOP debating who would represent their conservative group of citizens.
President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence
VS
Senator Joe Biden with a (as yet) unknown VP by his side
What could the Democrats possibly do to balance the scales in their favor?
Senator Biden has already stated and commited to chose a woman for a running mate, but who? At least five that I know of have seriously indicated that they are interested in the job.
Two rumors have Hillary Clinton as one to be watched and Biden has already early on indicated his preference for VP would be ex President Obama's wife Michael Obama :hmmm:
See where I am going with this?
America in civil unrest with protest and riots including looting over an innocent black man's murder by the hands of a white policeman for the last six days in America have shocked this countries history to it's core.
The timing is perfect with so many people of every race included in the numbers of angry mob protesters.
Good thing the election is still a long ways off or Trump would be in danger of losing the election.
Against all of the odds I believe in my earlier predicted projection of a Trump/Pence victory with the surprise of President Trump giving up the WH to VP Pence ... Why has not been established yet.
My coffee is getting cold :o
Onkel Neal
06-01-20, 08:48 AM
No matter which dude is elected, things are not going to get better.
Skybird
06-01-20, 09:46 AM
^ That can be taken as certain.
AVGWarhawk
06-01-20, 01:52 PM
No matter which dude is elected, things are not going to get better.
Why do you think this?
Catfish
06-01-20, 02:23 PM
^ Cannot speak for Neal, but i think it is a basic underlying problem of the society (~like Skybird wrote), and if we found out which exactly we would be much better off.
No matter which dude is elected, things are not going to get better.
Maybe not in the short term, yes. But the first step is to make sure this president is no longer in office after January 2021.
I do not know but if the current behavior of Trump in the current crisis is acceptable to any reasonable democrat, I do not know what democracy is all about...this scene where he has the bible in the hand is unbelievable.
Regardless if somebody is a right or lefty, you have to see that this man thinks and acts as a dictator. I was, and I am an Atlanticist my whole life - please make America great again.
Col7777
06-02-20, 05:37 AM
After watching the video about Michael Obama doing these tours around the US, I wouldn't rule her out.
I'm in the UK and I'll be honest I am not all that well up on who is who in some of your politics but I do look at some the YouTube clips.
When Trump got elected at first I liked him, especially seeing all the things about Hilary, but now I'm not so sure.
Col.
u crank
06-02-20, 06:13 AM
After watching the video about Michael Obama doing these tours around the US, I wouldn't rule her out.
I'm in the UK and I'll be honest I am not all that well up on who is who in some of your politics but I do look at some the YouTube clips.
When Trump got elected at first I liked him, especially seeing all the things about Hilary, but now I'm not so sure.
Col.
I've said this before and I'll repeat it. If the name Clinton or Obama is on the 2020 ballot it will spark massive GOP voter turnout.
Mr Quatro
06-02-20, 09:45 AM
I've said this before and I'll repeat it. If the name Clinton or Obama is on the 2020 ballot it will spark massive GOP voter turnout.
Biden can't win on his own merit ... Did you see him in the black church yesterday hunched over wearing his now famous mask under his chin to be able to talk.
He can't talk like Trump off the hip or walk like Trump or even lie like Trump ... :hmmm:
He needs help to defeat Trump and I will go so far as to say that he isn't even in control of his VP pick ... the democrats are and if they get the vote out like they do the protesters the GOP will need everyone white and black, male and female to be on Trumps side and not only the WH, but the House needs votes and the Senate needs to retain their control five months from tomorrow :yep:
Onkel Neal
06-02-20, 09:51 AM
I've said this before and I'll repeat it. If the name Clinton or Obama is on the 2020 ballot it will spark massive GOP voter turnout.
Agreed, or Bush or Kennedy. We are America, we don't do dynasties (or at least, we shouldn't).
Why do you think this?
Because they are both terrible candidates. One is a fool, a scam artist, an ego-maniac who thinks the right approach to any situation is chaos, a man who has no class or tact and doesn't value class or tact. The other is a corrupt career crony politician who is clearly senile, disingenuous, and just plain goofy. So, with either as a leader, and with the state of the populace made up with ever growing numbers of PC crybabies who think the govt should take care of them, who don't feel anything difficult is their responsibility, what can we expect?
AVGWarhawk
06-02-20, 11:37 AM
Because they are both terrible candidates. One is a fool, a scam artist, an ego-maniac who thinks the right approach to any situation is chaos, a man who has no class or tact and doesn't value class or tact. The other is a corrupt career crony politician who is clearly senile, disingenuous, and just plain goofy. So, with either as a leader, and with the state of the populace made up with ever growing numbers of PC crybabies who think the govt should take care of them, who don't feel anything difficult is their responsibility, what can we expect?
The crass fool and scam artist has a different approach then history has seen for the past 200 years. Is it the best approach? In most situations no but it going to have to be accepted for the next 4 years because Biden is on some other planet. It feels like the democrats know Biden is a loser and are simply willing to sit this one out. So Biden plays the clown and fades into obscurity.
There are things in politics which makes me wanna puke.
And it is when the opposition is taking advantage of a huge problem in the society, while they didn't do nada when they were in charge.
Have seen JB and Obama talking about these demonstration/riot in many of the American cities
In my ears it sounds like they put the blame purely on Trump.
What even worse...voters who in the lack of short time memory seems to forget what their politicians didn't do.
Markus
em2nought
06-03-20, 01:10 AM
The crass fool and scam artist has a different approach then history has seen for the past 200 years. Is it the best approach? In most situations no but it going to have to be accepted for the next 4 years because Biden is on some other planet. It feels like the democrats know Biden is a loser and are simply willing to sit this one out. So Biden plays the clown and fades into obscurity.
More likely the democrats decided the only way they might win was to destroy the USA before the election. Covid & now riots brought to you by the DNC. All thanks belong to them for saving us from prosperity. :up:
I'm not sure why they haven't burned every urban polling location in order to foist ballot harvesting on us? They must be feeling pretty sure of themselves(again).
Catfish
06-03-20, 02:13 AM
More likely the democrats decided the only way they might win was to destroy the USA before the election. Covid & now riots brought to you by the DNC. All thanks belong to them for saving us from prosperity. :up:
I'm not sure why they haven't burned every urban polling location in order to foist ballot harvesting on us? They must be feeling pretty sure of themselves(again).
Maybe this should be moved to the joke thread? :03:
Maybe this should be moved to the joke thread? :03:
Or to a more appropriate thread: Conspiracies, sheeple, the universe and everything (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=207224)
u crank
06-03-20, 07:45 AM
Despite all the Antifa thuggery and BLM guys disguised as White Supremacists the wheels of justice roll on. Today the Senate Judiciary Committee begins hearings into the Russia collusion investigation. First on the stand is former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
Rosenstein has already issued a statement ahead of his appearance.
"Even the best law enforcement officers make mistakes, and some engage in willful misconduct. Independent law enforcement investigations, judicial review and congressional oversight are important checks on the discretion of agents and prosecutors."
That is pretty telling in it self.
Here John Solomon gives ten questions that he thinks should be asked of Rosenstein. I like this one.
When did Rosenstein learn that the CIA had identified Page as one of its assets — ruling out he was a Russian spy — and that information in Steele's dossier used in the FISA warrant had been debunked or linked to Russian disinformation?
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/10-most-important-questions-rod-rosenstein
All these people need to be put on the stand. Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Rice, Powers ... well there are just to many to list. If these people are willing to insist in the lies about the accusations against Trump and his campaign let them do it under oath and on camera.
Mr Quatro
06-03-20, 10:35 AM
After reading the top six (6) topic's in GT every day I get the odd impression that we are just a bunch of tired, lazy, bored subsim members :yep:
Including me, but I love y'all anyways :up:
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