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AVGWarhawk
06-03-20, 10:40 AM
More likely the democrats decided the only way they might win was to destroy the USA before the election. Covid & now riots brought to you by the DNC. All thanks belong to them for saving us from prosperity. :up:
I'm not sure why they haven't burned every urban polling location in order to foist ballot harvesting on us? They must be feeling pretty sure of themselves(again).
This is a conspiracy I don't subscribe to. Covid affected the entire world. We have seen riots in the past that the DNC had nothing to do with. For me, Joe Biden is a sacrificial lamb. The DNC has no one of any substance to nominate. They will take the loss for another 4 years.
Bilge_Rat
06-04-20, 10:03 AM
More poll shell games. As we all know, whenever Trump does something, the MSM immediately polls it, if the answer is against Trump, it is plastered as a headline, if the answer is favorable to Trump, the poll is quietly buried.
Here is another example, Politico/Morning Consult Poll on support of Americans to deploy the U.S. military in U.S. cities to help the police quell the riots:
Of those that have an opinion:
-65% of all voters support deploying the military;
-53% of all Democrats support deploying the military;
-62% of all Independents support deploying the military;
-84% of all Republicans support deploying the military;
https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2020/06/01181629/2005131_crosstabs_POLICE_RVs_FINAL_LM-1.pdf
results on page 195.
Wonder why the MSM are not reporting those results. :haha:
Skybird
06-04-20, 06:56 PM
The United States is at a crossroads under Donald Trump
Under Donald Trump, the defense of democracy in the United States takes on a new meaning. Otherwise the country threatens to be sacrificed to the Caesar delusion. The parallels between Caligula and Donald Trump are obvious. Trump's reign is becoming more and more autocratic. With the election in November, the United States is at a crossroads
In 1938, 25-year-old Albert Camus reads the account of the Roman emperor biographer Suetonius from the megalomaniac tyrant Caligula (AD 12 to 41). This creates the author's most successful play, which is still performed on many stages around the world. Caligula's story - a premonition for Donald Trump?
For the American audience, Camus wrote a kind of abstract: "Caligula, until then a fairly lovable prince, notes when Drusilla, his sister and lover dies, that 'men die and they are not happy'. Obsessed with the search for the absolute and poisoned by contempt and horror, he seeks freedom through murder and the systematic perversion of all values, which he will then discover is not freedom.
Friendship and love, simple human solidarity, good and evil, he rejects everything. (...) This is how Caligula depopulates the world around him and, according to his logic, does everything necessary to arm those who will eventually kill him. Caligula is the story of an upscale suicide. It is the story of the most human and tragic of all mistakes. Unfaithful to people, out of loyalty to himself, Caligula agrees to die for understanding that no being can save itself and that you cannot be free from other people. ”
Camus warning of the Caesar craze
Unlike this exposure of a revolt in the work “Cycle of the Absurd”, the play was mostly staged as an example of historical Caesar madness and warning against modern tyrants, as in Camus' own arrangements in the face of Hitler and Stalin and in the premiere in 1945 in Paris Théâtre Hébertot. When the peace-loving Ludwig Quidde stylized the Roman emperor in 1894 as a megalomaniac, he was aiming at Wilhelm II, who was equally megalomaniac in many respects.
Classical philologists have meanwhile corrected Caligula's image, which has been handed down from Sueton to Quidde, but he remained the household name for a dictator who was abandoned by all good spirits, could no longer be stopped by advisors and officials, and ultimately rode to the ground: a paranoid sadist who Elite pirated, arbitrarily arrested and tortured people and forced them into prostitution, and a cynical narcissist who worshiped himself as a god, ordered his horse to be consul and staged ceremonies modeled on oriental despots.
The example of Caligula is alarmingly topical compared to Donald Trump
All of this was not uncommon for an empire freed from republican bonds, but appears frighteningly current given the machinations of Donald Trump and his imperial presidency in a state of emergency. Caligula, Arturo Ui, King Lear - Donald Trump has already been given many names, all of them only fit to a limited extent and Caligula already because of his youth. But the ardent advocate of transatlantic friendship and admirers of the four fundamental freedoms for which America should continue to stand have also realized the danger the 45th President poses to his country and the world.
Inside he relies on the militarization of a bulwark of white supremacy, on the outside he loosens the self-ties of the nuclear force and plays with the bomb. He is of little interest in the fact that the corona epidemic ruins and shoots people away - it is disproportionately large African-Americans who would not have voted for him anyway. So you can understand Trump's re-tweet that only a dead democrat is a good democrat.
Trump's re-election in November would be a disaster, and if defeat threatens, he will do everything he can to delay or cancel the presidential elections. Similar to Caligula, the autocrat is popular in parts of the people, the conservative establishment and especially the evangelicals keep him going. With William Barr he has a Minister of Justice at his side, against whom Carl Schmitt, the "Crown Lawyer of the Third Reich" and theorist of the state of emergency, was a peep at the ear of power.
Without hesitation, Trump is inciting his troops, including right-wing aristocrats armed to the teeth, to riot instead of finally calling for a nation to lead unity and peace in free fall. But may he just keep his mouth shut: the speech he may give could be the spark of a conflagration that transforms Caligula into the Herostates Nero.
The United States is at a crossroads under Donald Trump
What is happening on America's streets could be the preliminary stage of a veritable civil war or it could now initiate Trump's decline. Anyone who is now demonstrating against racism, like the millennials of all origins and skin color who are used to cultural pluralism, has to go to the polls differently than in previous upheavals in November and for door-to-door Joe Biden, who is rather unpopular in these circles and his hopefully powerful vice president pull. America is at a crossroads, it will be seen whether political nihilism continues to eat its way into its ligatures.
Trump's will for dictatorship is clearly recognizable and without any existential depth, but democracy can defend itself. She does not need Cassius Chaerea, the tribune of the Praetorian Guard, taunted by the emperor as a sissy, who killed Caligula in the last act as in real life.
Frankfurter Rundschau is a centre-to-left (more of the latter) national newspaper in Germany.
Massachusetts attorney general Maura Healey (D.) on Tuesday refused to denounce the violent riots occurring nationwide, likening them to the purifying effects of a forest fire.
"Yes, America is burning, but that's how forests grow," Healey said in a speech delivered to the Boston Chamber of Commerce.
Healey, who is also the co-chair of the Democratic Attorneys General Association, repeated her remarks in a tweet later the same day, adding that Americans need to "seize the opportunity" to rid the country of "institutionalized racism," which she blamed for the violence.
https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/dem-ag-letting-america-burn-is-the-path-to-growth/
The Democratic Party Platform in a nutshell.
u crank
06-04-20, 07:27 PM
Frankfurter Rundschau is a centre-to-left (more of the latter) national newspaper in Germany.
Inside he relies on the militarization of a bulwark of white supremacy, on the outside he loosens the self-ties of the nuclear force and plays with the bomb. He is of little interest in the fact that the corona epidemic ruins and shoots people away - it is disproportionately large African-Americans who would not have voted for him anyway.
Trump's re-election in November would be a disaster, and if defeat threatens, he will do everything he can to delay or cancel the presidential elections.
Without hesitation, Trump is inciting his troops, including right-wing aristocrats armed to the teeth, to riot instead of finally calling for a nation to lead unity and peace in free fall.
Trump's will for dictatorship is clearly recognizable
Pure nonsense. Not a single fact to back up these ridiculous statements.
em2nought
06-05-20, 12:08 AM
Right Wing Aristocrats? :har:
I get why the dumb @ss idea of spreading democracy hardly ever worked, even Europeans don't really "get" the USA. We would be so much better off with "America First".
Catfish
06-05-20, 02:09 AM
Right Wing Aristocrats? :har:
I get why the dumb @ss idea of spreading democracy hardly ever worked, even Europeans don't really "get" the USA. We would be so much better off with "America First".Have you ever heard of left aristocrats? :haha: For Americans all that is not at the hard right is "socialist" or "communist", or "the radical left".
Not all would call this century-old electoral system of the US a democracy. Nothing but good old Kurfuersten-"voting".
Regarding being better off with "America first" we currently get a glimpse of how that works out.
But looking at the article Skybird posted by the "Frankfurter Rundschau", i think it is exagerrated and overblown indeed. "Caligula", please :o
https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/dem-ag-letting-america-burn-is-the-path-to-growth/
The Democratic Party Platform in a nutshell.
I see metaphors aren't your strongest area of expertise.
Skybird
06-05-20, 05:40 AM
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A4sarenwahnsinn
Not all would call this century-old electoral system of the US a democracy. That's because it is not a Democracy, it is a Democratic Republic. There is a difference, and it has worked (with very little substantive tweaking) for 244 years.
Catfish
06-05-20, 12:43 PM
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A4sarenwahnsinn
Ouch. It seems the FR is right, with this description :hmmm:
Right Wing Aristocrats? :har:
I get why the dumb @ss idea of spreading democracy hardly ever worked, even Europeans don't really "get" the USA. We would be so much better off with "America First".
It is true that in Europe there are some "wise guys", especially in the media, who seems to know all but know not much about the US at all.
But it is also true that American scientist and historians also warns that the democracy in the US , label it as democratic republic or whatever, is not guaranteed to exist forever. If it is wise to ignore this , everybody may decide themselves as also is if we go back to middle age and ignore science and call it fake news...climate change as one example
We well see when Trump looses by a small margin, what happens. My assumption is that he will not accept defeat - as his supporters. They will probably claim that the usual suspicious media and the election system was unfair. Of crs "forgetting" how the current implementation also favors them: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/sep/07/usa.comment. Of crs also forgetting the little help of Uncle Putin in 2016 - and of crs also in 2020 but a little more subtle this time, I guess. But yeah, I know fake news...
u crank
06-06-20, 07:03 AM
We well see when Trump looses by a small margin, what happens. My assumption is that he will not accept defeat - as his supporters. They will probably claim that the usual suspicious media and the election system was unfair.
Considering the reaction after Trump's 2016 win I would suggest a different possiblity. Regardless of the margin of victory Trump might have the likelihood of widescale violent protests by the Antifa lads and others is almost certain. I don't recall any thing similar after President Obama's two wins.
It is true that in Europe there are some "wise guys", especially in the media, who seems to know all but know not much about the US at all.
It's not only in the media.
Ordinary people are expert in every aspect of USA, whether they are for or against Trump, you can bet on they are expert in whatever Trump do or don't
Markus
I see metaphors aren't your strongest area of expertise.
You want to talk about metaphors to the small business owner whose shop got torched wise guy?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/minneapolis-restaurant-owner-loses-everything
Joe Biden is clueless about the nation’s latest crisis By Post Editorial Board
June 6, 2020 | 8:44pm
.......
“The nation is crying out for leadership, but this president has nothing to offer,” claims Joe Biden — while offering none of his own.
As cities across the country see violent vandals (https://nypost.com/2020/06/03/looters-cost-nyc-businesses-tens-of-millions-experts-estimate/) exploiting larger crowds of protesters outraged by the George Floyd killing (https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/derek-chauvin-kept-knee-on-neck-of-non-responsive-george-floyd/), Biden is focused entirely on playing to that outrage — cluelessly.
“We need to get to work immediately on real police reform,” the ex-veep insists. In fact, a community-policing revolution has been underway for decades — Bill Bratton led it in New York, Los Angeles and again in this city, drastically reducing police use of force each time while also driving down incarceration rates. Now the extreme left has its own ideas, which boil down to no policing at all.
But Biden’s got no clue about any of it. His idea for reform (https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/biden-suggests-officers-shoot-in-the-leg-rather-than-to-kill/)? “Instead of standing there and teaching a cop when there’s an unarmed person coming at ’em with a knife or something, shoot ’em in the leg instead of the heart is a very different thing,” Biden said in a (can you believe it?) prepared speech at a church last week (https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/joe-biden-delivers-in-person-remarks-on-george-floyd-protests/).
https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/joe-biden-is-clueless-about-the-nations-latest-crisis/
Mr Quatro
06-07-20, 10:24 AM
Did anyone notice that in the middle of all of this turmoil that there was a full strawberry moon at noon Friday ...:o
Full moon is over today is a new day and a new week in a new month ...
Prosperity is on the way ... Everyone go back to work already and get that pay check and catch up on paying those back bills :yep:
Straight from the horses mouth.
Full interview with Atty General Barr on the infamous church incident. Judge for yourself.
https://news.yahoo.com/full-interview-attorney-general-bill-183254497.html
Cybermat47
06-07-20, 10:03 PM
I’m hardly a fan of Donald Trump (to put it far more politely than is accurate), but this is the other guy?
this is the guy (https://youtu.be/Q-A4VrEUyyI)
Apparently “roach” is a racist slur for black children too, which is nice.
Another Dem caught fixing elections.
Michigan City Clerk Charged with Altering Ballots in 2018 Midterms
Sherikia Hawkins was charged Monday with six felony counts for allegedly altering absentee ballots during the November 2018 election in her capacity as city clerk for the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich.
Hawkins, a 38-year-old registered Democrat, stands accused of altering 193 absentee ballots. She was arraigned Monday in Southfield on charges including (https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/sherikia-hawkins.pdf) falsifying returns or records, forgery of a public record, misconduct in office, and multiple counts of using a computer to commit a crime. She was released on $15,000 bond.
The alleged misconduct was discovered after the Oakland County Clerk’s Office noticed that 193 voter files had been changed to reflect that the voters failed to include a valid signature or return date, when all of the implicated voters had in fact included both items. The county clerk’s office later discovered the original voter files in the trash at the election-division office. The Michigan State Police then launched an investigation that resulted in Hawkins’s arrest.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/michigan-city-clerk-charged-with-altering-ballots-in-2018-midterms/
Mr Quatro
06-08-20, 10:54 PM
Why don't they do write in protesting and write in looting instead of write in voting? :D
Catfish
06-09-20, 02:26 AM
Straight from the horses mouth.
Full interview with Atty General Barr on the infamous church incident. Judge for yourself.https://news.yahoo.com/full-interview-attorney-general-bill-183254497.html
Video blocked here, a lot of US sites do not allow their content to be viewed in the EU since three years or so.
But i read the comments, indeed "judge for yourself".
u crank
06-09-20, 08:21 AM
Is Joe Biden woke enough for the New York Times?
The resignation of the editorial page editor of the New York Times for publishing an op-ed by Senator Tom Cotton calling for the military to quell the riots marks the completion of the long, slow transformation of the Democratic Party.
If the New York Times can’t stand up to Nikole Hannah-Jones, Pulitzer Prize-winning creator of its odious and just-plain-false 1619 Project, how will Joe Biden stand up to a woke New York Times?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/as-the-new-york-times-goes-so-goes-biden/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first
Joe Biden is a political dinosaur who has no clue what he is being set up for. Joe just wants the big chair and will do and say what it takes to get there.
Illiberal radicals are a minority on most campuses, yet they rule because their expansive accusations of bigotry, like their willingness to suppress critics and commandeer buildings, intimidate the majority, and cow liberal administrators into submission. A President Biden will be a perfect stand-in for a meek liberal college president who can’t afford to get on the wrong side of a Left that knows it won’t be disciplined and is only too happy to silence others.
Buddahaid
06-09-20, 09:39 AM
Funny, that sounds just like Trump.
u crank
06-09-20, 09:56 AM
Funny, that sounds just like Trump.
I don't understand. Can you explain?
Buddahaid
06-09-20, 09:58 AM
Joe Biden is a political dinosaur who has no clue what he is being set up for. Joe just wants the big chair and will do and say what it takes to get there.
That sounds like Trump.
https://i.imgur.com/HblHzLF.jpg
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018
What a POS.
Mr Quatro
06-09-20, 10:23 AM
Is Joe Biden woke enough for the New York Times?
Joe Biden is a political dinosaur who has no clue what he is being set up for. Joe just wants the big chair and will do and say what it takes to get there.
I'm afraid it's worse than that ... the devil wants our country in his hands with the democratic party not just Joe Biden. Someone is telling him what to do.
I know not to mix God and religion and poltics, but it is so obvious I can't help it.
Biden was a Catholic and the Catholic's are against abortion, but the Democrats are pro abortion (especially black babies) so what does Joe do ...
he changes his Catholic faith to suit the pro-choice Democrats.
Biden's running mate will be chosen by the Democrats and not Joe Biden.
Plus many other signs that someone owns Biden ... Trump may be a wacko, but no one owns his views.
u crank
06-09-20, 10:50 AM
Joe Biden is a political dinosaur who has no clue what he is being set up for. Joe just wants the big chair and will do and say what it takes to get there.
That sounds like Trump.
Donald Trump entered politics in 2015. Joe Biden entered politics when Richard Nixon was President.
Trump's policy stances have changed very little in the three and a half years of his administration. Joe Biden ran as a centrist and moderate alternative to Bernie Sanders. Now Biden is running left as fast as his hairy legs will take him.
All polititians will do and say whatever it takes. Like Trump what Biden says and stands for is important and I think that was the thrust of the article linked. And the question remains ... is Joe woke enough to keep the radical Left of the Democrat party happy?
Cybermat47
06-09-20, 11:18 AM
but the Democrats are pro abortion (especially black babies)
You’ll have to explain this bit to me.
Bilge_Rat
06-09-20, 11:35 AM
https://i.imgur.com/HblHzLF.jpg
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018
What a POS.
Again, good example of missing the forest for the trees.
It looks like this was written by his team, not Trump personally. Notice the embedded link @OANN.
This seems to be aimed at shoring up support from the Police unions.
Tweet already has 94,000 likes.
The resulting media outrage will only amplify the tweet and give it more impact among the voting bloc which is targeted.
It looks like this was written by his team, not Trump personally. Notice the embedded link @OANN.
The @OANN is a mention, not a link. Trump is mentioned OANN because that's where the story conspiracy is being reported and where Trump very likely saw it since he has been known to watch OANN.
And what you are essentially saying is that Trump has a team of writers who are constantly making him look like a stupid idiot. Now, this might come as a surprise to you, but he really doesn't need anyone to do that for him.
Bilge_Rat
06-09-20, 12:32 PM
105,000 likes now.
Mr Quatro
06-09-20, 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by Mr Quatro
but the Democrats are pro abortion (especially black babies)
You’ll have to explain this bit to me.
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/opinion/dan_fagan/article_c91904fc-a4d6-11ea-87fa-8f1e7a4e7681.html
Brutal cops are targeting African Americans. So are abortionists.
“Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, believed in population control of blacks and people with disabilities,” says Allen. “As a black mother of a son with Down syndrome, this is a cause near and dear to my heart.”
Allen says in 1939, Sanger began a program called the Negro Project, recruiting black pastors to encourage their congregants to have abortions. Sanger would donate money to willing clergy, who were then instructed to tell black women if they gave birth to their child, it would lead to poverty.
skidman
06-09-20, 02:34 PM
Rubbish. Margaret Sanger opposed abortion, except therapeutic abortions when indicated by an examining physician. She wasn't a member of the Democratic Party. Sanger worked with African-American organizations to promote birth control in black communities. The "Negro Project" was an initiative to provide Southern black women and families with access to birth control and other forms of contraception.
Do you think your God likes citing professional liars like Dan Fagan? I don't think so.
Skybird
06-09-20, 03:01 PM
https://i.imgur.com/HblHzLF.jpg
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018
What a POS.
I disagree with the Grreat President of the Ununited States. I noticed the high speed the old gramps was running at when he collided with the policemen who already was in a defensive posture when he realised he could not avoid the collision, the old man simply was too fast and so the officer could not react to him. When you race-crash yourself at that high speed into an unsuspecting police officer, you really should expect to bounce off like a rubber ball thrown against a stone wall, he was lucky that he did not end up in a flick-flack. That foolish gramps got what he was asking for, I think.
Does anyone know the brand of the ketchup he was carrying under his toupet? Looks like Heinz to me, but I could be wrong. Stupid idea to store your shopping goods under your toupet, if you ask me, but hey, nobody asks me usually.
I don't know what's up and down in this story.
I have some question after having seen some videos and pictures.
1. How rough was the police when they pushed this older man ?
2. What is this light green device he is holding in his right hand(which you can see on a picture where he is laying on the boardwalk)
I do not protect the police or the action this elderly had taken before he was pushed away.
I just wanna know.
Markus
Bilge_Rat
06-09-20, 03:26 PM
I don't know what's up and down in this story.
I have some question after having seen some videos and pictures.
1. How rough was the police when they pushed this older man ?
2. What is this light green device he is holding in his right hand(which you can see on a picture where he is laying on the boardwalk)
I do not protect the police or the action this elderly had taken before he was pushed away.
I just wanna know.
Markus
well this is one of those "it depends" case. Mr. Gugino may have provoked the police and they may have over-reacted. Whether the police committed a criminal act will be up to a Court to decide. Interesting article on the legal issues here:
Case Against 2 Buffalo Police Officers Comes Down to Intent
"Let a Jury decide if there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt of intent to cause physical injury"
Buffalo, N.Y. (WBEN) - "This case has to go to trial. The consequences are too severe," said longtime Buffalo Defense Attorney Terry Connors.
Connors, referring to the case against Buffalo Police Officers Robert McCabe and Aaron Torgalski, suspended without pay and charged with felony assault after the incident with protester Martin Gugino on Thursday night in front of City Hall..
Criminal law applies equally to police and civilians. He said there is one key issue in the case. "Let the jury decide as to whether or not there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that there was intent to cause physical injury."
Tom Burton, attorney for the Police Benevolent Association, agrees. "Intentional conduct means a conscious objective to hurt somebody. They pushed him, but if he had not fallen back and tripped, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's not the injury that governs what's going on here. It's what's the intent of the cops," he said.
What happens if the officers say they were following orders? Connors said that question will no doubt come up in court. He said policies and procedures, along with what power and authority police have, will be brought up at the trial. "It's not in an effort to excuse conduct, but to talk about whether or not there was compliance with the rules and regulations. And if there was compliance, clearly there was no intent on the part of the officer to cause physical injury to Mr. Gugino," Connors said.
Burton was asked why he thought Gugino approached the line of officers. "All I'm going to say is he is an individual who had a penchant for being involved in these things. Any more than this I'm saving for trial," he said. "The bottom line is Mr. Gugino wanted to have an incident. He got it. He crossed the line figuratively and actually."
Burton said police were stunned that the two were charged with a felony. "We completely disagree that this incident should be equated by prosecutors to the Achtyl case that had taken place some time ago." Ken Achtyl is a former Erie County Sheriff's Deputy who was convicted of assaulting a Bills fan in 2017.
With the worldwide attention the story is getting, Connors said he doesn't remember any local case previously that received this level of attention.
https://wben.radio.com/articles/case-against-2-buffalo-police-officers-comes-down-to-intent
^Thank you.
Going to be interesting to see what the verdict will be.
Now I only need an answer to question number 2.
Markus
skidman
06-09-20, 04:36 PM
Tom Burton, attorney for the Police Benevolent Association, agrees. "Intentional conduct means a conscious objective to hurt somebody. They pushed him, but if he had not fallen back and tripped, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's not the injury that governs what's going on here. It's what's the intent of the cops," he said.
Ridiculous. A well trained young officer in riot gear against an elderly civilian, who perfidiously fell back and tripped...
Question: If the jury decides there was no "intentional conduct", will that bastard cop at least face a charge for "bodily injury caused by negligence"?
Ridiculous. A well trained young officer in riot gear against an elderly civilian, who perfidiously fell back and tripped...
Question: If the jury decides there was no "intentional conduct", will that bastard cop at least face a charge for "bodily injury caused by negligence"?
Question for you. If you were in that well trained officers shoes what would you have done? Should they have attempted to put the man in cuffs for not clearing the street, ignored him, gave him a big sloppy kiss, something else?
There are lots of police critics here but I rarely hear what they'd do different so here's your chance. Enlighten us.
skidman
06-09-20, 05:30 PM
Hm. I'm not a police critic, on the contrary: they have often helped / protected me in difficult situations. Furthermore I think police officer is a very challenging profession, so I have deep respect for men and woman that meet the requisites their job as an officer brings about.
To answer your question: I'd consider putting him in cuffs an adequate procedure. And seeing that it was two dozen officers against one "rioter" it should be feasible.
Maybe our "chief of the boat" could add a professional perspective here.
Last remark: You missed my point completely (again. Seems you are forming a habit). It's useless to discuss what should have been done. There is an old man in hospital and a police officer accused of criminal assault. And then there is a president and a attorney who want to make the victim the perpetrator. Disgusting!
To answer your question: I'd consider putting him in cuffs an adequate procedure. And seeing that it was two dozen officers against one "rioter" it should be feasible.
Yeah but feasible for what? I can imagine the optics of two dozen officers in riot gear swarming over the poor elderly gentleman.
Onkel Neal
06-09-20, 06:45 PM
Probably what happened: the police were instructed to move the protesters, this one guy wanted to argue/reason/jaw-jack. The police gave him a shove and he lost his balance and fell. Unfortunate.
Skybird
06-09-20, 07:10 PM
^ My thoughts exactly.
Still, he did not fall by himself, but was pushed. Nobody would argue that if somebody gets shot, the victim was killed by the bullet and the shooter were not responsible fior it: the shooter has all to do with it. The consequence may not have been intended in this case, but that cannot protect the officers from being held accountable, like you may cause a car accident that you did not intended, still you are held responsible. It was reported there was a call by the police to move away. But even if he did not obey, that cannot be a reason to excuse health damage like this: skull fracture, very dangerous, initially in critical condition. It would be absolutely disproportionate to be allowed to injure people like this just because they - without projecting physical violence by themselves -do not immediately obey police orders - if that would be okay, you could as well legalise it to shoot protesters in the leg. This man suffered a skull fracture. HE COULD BE DEAD. The two officers pushing him must be held accountable, there is no way around that. A sober, neutral trial, if that is possible in this climate.
Personally I do not like police having to wear their names on their uniforms so that they can be personally identified and privately taken revenge on, which indeed is a problem in those states (Germany) and nations were it gets done like this: indeed it leads to threats being directed at the families of officers. But they should wear numbers by which they can be anonymously identified if charges gets filed against them by private persons. Examination of such incidents should not be left to an internal department, but must be transparent, the examination must be counter-controlled by an instance that is outside the police: the accused cannot be in control of the examination. It has been said a lot about the powerful police unions (in America) preventing right this neutral examination working if problems arise. That since so long nothing has changed for the better, is hugely to their part, since they block change and protect their members. Well, thats why I have read, and what they said in a docu in TV this evening.
There was a TV report on the US police on German TV tonight. In it they said the averag training time in US states (it varies from state to state) is 19 weeks across the nation - then you are an officer. That is ridiculous. Compared to European standards, the focus is extremely on combat and fighting. Psychological techniques of deescalating a socially charged situation and calming things down, by European standards are so underrated, that they do almost not exist, in comparison. I mean: 19 weeks versus several years of training, that is just a fraction of training time. That must have consequences, there must be lacks.
Rockstar
06-09-20, 08:08 PM
That incident was a pretty good example of crap, irresponsible attitudes towards those police are to protect and serve. Obviously a sever lack of understanding, improper training, leadership and planning. I saw an elderly man, passive aggressive, unarmed. Those children might want to reconsider how they train to respond to that. What little I saw there didn't seem to be very many protesters. There were more than ample police to break off a few to restrain and remove the man while the others covered and did the job of monitoring the protestors. Sad case of abuse of power because of piss poor training or lack thereof. Kids with guns playing army
Probably what happened: the police were instructed to move the protesters, this one guy wanted to argue/reason/jaw-jack. The police gave him a shove and he lost his balance and fell. Unfortunate.
That's probably what happened. I wonder how long those cops had been on the line. That was what day 5 of the protests? I read the other day that there have been over 700 police injured and several killed. Their stress and fatigue levels must be pretty high.
Mr Quatro
06-09-20, 08:59 PM
Question for you. If you were in that well trained officers shoes what would you have done? Should they have attempted to put the man in cuffs for not clearing the street, ignored him, gave him a big sloppy kiss, something else?
There are lots of police critics here but I rarely hear what they'd do different so here's your chance. Enlighten us.
What will happen when the defence points out to the jury that George had drugs in his system and posed a threat to the officers. Another video shows a struggle in the back of a cop car that led him to be lying on the ground.
The defence could win in several ways, but of course it will just result in more protest and rioting of which a few bad guys will try and take advantage of it all.:yep:
What will happen when the defence points out to the jury that George had drugs in his system and posed a threat to the officers. Another video shows a struggle in the back of a cop car that led him to be lying on the ground.
The defence could win in several ways, but of course it will just result in more protest and rioting of which a few bad guys will try and take advantage of it all.:yep:
Maybe, but the defendant kept grinding his knee into the guys neck for several minutes after he had passed out so that kind of blows the active threat theory and as cops themselves will tell you once the cuffs go on the struggle is over.
Also it turns out that the defendant knew his victim from working at the same night club and that they had "a history". Now there's talk about upgrading the charges again to 1st degree murder so maybe there is another aspect to this case to consider here.
But I was talking about the incident in Buffalo with the two cops in riot gear that pushed an old man down while clearing a street.
em2nought
06-10-20, 12:12 AM
Maybe, but the defendant kept grinding his knee into the guys neck for several minutes after he had passed out so that kind of blows the active threat theory and as cops themselves will tell you once the cuffs go on the struggle is over.
Also it turns out that the defendant knew his victim from working at the same night club and that they had "a history". Now there's talk about upgrading the charges again to 1st degree murder so maybe there is another aspect to this case to consider here.
But I was talking about the incident in Buffalo with the two cops in riot gear that pushed an old man down while clearing a street.
I think there might be more than meets the eye in both cases. Lara Logan should investigate because nobody else is gonna. Particularly the cop and Floyd in regard to what enterprises their "club" might have been involved in.
Skybird
06-10-20, 05:39 AM
John Kornblum was once America's ambassador to Germany. A cool-blooded, rationally ticking sly fox of huge analytical capabilities, I got the impression on several occasions. I usually respect what he has to say, so this time as well. He once shocked Germany when at best prime time TV he said in a TV talkshow that states have no friends, but states have interests. The Germans were so shocked that silence fell, so to speak. :)
Mr. Kornblum, you are currently in Nashville, Tennessee. How is the situation with you?
The protest has also come to us. We have demonstrations, there have also been looting and arson. The Court House, a historic building, was once set on fire. It's not as bad as in other cities, but maybe that's because of the curfew that was imposed.
What goes through your head when you see the nationwide protests?
I am a member of the older generation. For me it's a déjà vu. We have experienced this very often. I was in college during the civil rights movement. Incidentally, it started in Nashville, where the first sit-ins were launched in the early 1960s to demonstrate racial segregation in downtown snacks.
Nashville is a very liberal city, though in the south. On April 4, 1968, when the unrest started after Martin Luther King's murder, I lived in Foggy Bottom, Washington. In other words: America is like a tightrope act without a network - always on the verge of collapse. And that for 200 years.
So far, it has apparently mostly turned out lightly ...
So far, yes. But there were bad phases. For example, if we hadn't had Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1930s, it would not have turned out well. It would have ended in disaster. The problem is that America's strengths are its weaknesses. We are dynamic, success-oriented, we move quickly, and we do not create the social stabilizers that exist in Europe, which we sometimes criticize as too stable and thus as crippling. The importance of such structures in times of crisis is particularly evident in the corona epidemic.
What are the current consequences?
Serious. Our health system is falling apart, as is our unemployment benefit system and our sense of social cohesion. The bad thing is that all of this is now happening at a time when we don't have a leader like Roosevelt. There is no one who appeals to the best in us.
In the current crisis after George Floyd's death, many Americans are especially waiting for words, for an offer of conversation from the White House. But only police officers and soldiers can be seen.
The problem is: Donald Trump would only make it worse with a speech. This president just can't speak. He can't say three sentences in a row, and when he reads something, his emotions usually go through with him and then something bad comes out.
Everything he has given in this crisis has only done harm. So the country organizes itself around it, the states take over. That doesn't have to be a bad thing, the states are also very powerful - but the system is currently being tested in a dangerous way.
In what way?
In the middle of a gigantic crisis, we lack national leadership. The economy is in dire straits, and now the old wounds of racism, America's original sin - in the middle of the corona crisis, are also breaking open.
Some people seem to feel that Donald Trump has quasi-magical powers that can even survive a triple crisis like this without prejudice. What do you say to them?
Well, Joe Biden is just ten percent ahead in polls. There is a way to beat Trump. He has no magical powers, but he is a gifted simplifier and polarizer. He came on the political stage when the Democrats and traditional Republicans didn't understand how deeply divided society was.
Not only between blacks and whites, but also between town and country. Trump has managed to motivate the 30 percent mostly white voters who feel left behind, the alleged “silent majority”. And because of the election laws in the US, that was enough, he hadn't won the majority of votes.
If you take that away from him by addressing the issues that are important to these people, it looks bad for him. He will not convince the other 70 percent with his current demeanor.
Trump has proclaimed himself the “law and order” president, who will forcefully restore security in the country. Could he even benefit from the current crisis?
That may be, the situation is so volatile that all predictions are idle. But: Trump is actually at a loss. He has only two answers on offer: he is pushing to revive the economy, and wants to restore law and order. The economy is unlikely to recover quickly enough, however, while the anger of some white people will still be there.
And with his confrontational behavior, he now risks that blacks and other minorities actually go voting - which they didn't do enough in 2016.
Some are already worried that he won't accept defeat in the end.
He is already attacking the idea of voting by postal mail, claiming that this could encourage fraud. Trump will increasingly talk about the 2020 election being “stolen”. There is great concern that he could go so far as to trigger a crisis so as not to have to accept defeat. I personally believe that he is capable of anything.
But would he get away with it? Aren't the institutions strong enough to prevent this?
Our institutions have never had to deal with this. Remember: we do not have a single voting law, we have 50 voting laws. The states are independent, especially when it comes to elections. And then there is also Russia.
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/john-kornblum-ehemaliger-us-botschafer-in-der-bundesrepublik-deutschland-foto-mike-wolff/25891154/3-format3001.jpg?inIsFirst=false
u crank
06-10-20, 06:54 AM
John Kornblum was once America's ambassador to Germany. A cool-blooded, rationally ticking sly fox of huge analytical capabilities, ...
In other words: America is like a tightrope act without a network - always on the verge of collapse. And that for 200 years.
What an absolutly ridiculous statement.
Some are already worried that he won't accept defeat in the end.
He is already attacking the idea of voting by postal mail, claiming that this could encourage fraud. Trump will increasingly talk about the 2020 election being “stolen”. There is great concern that he could go so far as to trigger a crisis so as not to have to accept defeat. I personally believe that he is capable of anything.
And then there is also Russia.
There is not a shred of evidence that Trump will not except an election result. Pure paranoia from the TDS crowd.
Trump goes around starting fires. Idiots like this guy pour gasoline on them.
Skybird
06-10-20, 07:49 AM
If resisting to Trump now equals "pouring gasoline onto the fire", then this shows how queer things in the US have become - and beyond repair, I think. Careful, u_crank, such a thinking is dangerously close to state-fascism. The flame thrower in the game is Trump, nobody else, and his fanatical supporters are who supply him with ever new fuel tanks. Resisting to Trump is no spilling of gasoline into a fire - its an ethical imperative due to the excessive destruction of social cohesion that Trump willfully does.
Kornblum just said what I have indicated in the past, too: the system and checks and balance of America were not made to deal with a threat like this. The founders did not imagine something like Trump happening. And how could they have imahgine that? Still in 2015 people considered it to be impossible. Worse is the intentional attack of Russia into American poltics - another sort of threat that the American (and western) state designs and social community and media policy designs have not been made to deal with. Trump - and his forerunners of the Tea Party - is like Covid 19: a new virus that breaks out and infects bodies and cells for the first time ever that have zero antibodies to it since their immune system have never met this virus before. As I see it, it cannot be predicted reliably how the American crisis will end, not even that it will end. Only the trend is clear, and this trend is not encouraging. I have said often enough that the legacy of Trump will stay for long after he has left office, whenever that will be.
Catfish
06-10-20, 08:33 AM
It's the words that make murder.
u crank
06-10-20, 09:55 AM
If resisting to Trump now equals "pouring gasoline onto the fire", then this shows how queer things in the US have become - and beyond repair, I think. Careful, u_crank, such a thinking is dangerously close to state-fascism. The flame thrower in the game is Trump, nobody else, and his fanatical supporters are who supply him with ever new fuel tanks. Resisting to Trump is no spilling of gasoline into a fire - its an ethical imperative due to the excessive destruction of social cohesion that Trump willfully does.
Resisting Trump in a Republic like the USA is normal behavior for those who oppose his Presidency. But how that is done is the question. Editorialize to your hearts content. Peacefully protest in the streets. Make a sign..what ever.
The idea that Trump will refuse to accept the results of the 2020 election are so far not backed up by any facts.
On the other hand there is a growing amount of evidence that his predecessor did just that. How about that? Does that bother you in any way? That a President would allow or direct (we don't know yet which is true) the power of the Justice dept. and the intellegence agencies to thwart the election and the an administration of his political opponent. Nothing Trump has done so far comes close to this.
Thoughts?
Kornblum just said what I have indicated in the past, too: the system and checks and balance of America were not made to deal with a threat like this.
And the threat is? Because the system of checks and balances doesn't work the way you want it to doesn't mean it doesn't work. There are three branches of the government. Trump as the head of the Executive branch is only one.
And here is the thing you need to know. If Trump can be removed from office for anything less than a crime or treason ... then any President can be removed for any reason.
Some input to one of Skybird's comment.
"Personally I do not like police having to wear their names on their uniforms"
Maybe the justits department should take a look at Sweden and Denmark.
Here they have a number instead.
Which means nothing for the ordinary citizens and it is this number a person shall use if they want to fill a complain against a police officer.
It is only at the headquarter they know the real name behind this number.
Markus
Skybird
06-10-20, 02:24 PM
Some input to one of Skybird's comment.
"Personally I do not like police having to wear their names on their uniforms"
Maybe the justits department should take a look at Sweden and Denmark.
Here they have a number instead.
Which means nothing for the ordinary citizens and it is this number a person shall use if they want to fill a complain against a police officer.
It is only at the headquarter they know the real name behind this number.
Markus
I could swear I said right that. ;)
Personally I do not like police having to wear their names on their uniforms so that they can be personally identified and privately taken revenge on, which indeed is a problem in those states (Germany) and nations were it gets done like this: indeed it leads to threats being directed at the families of officers. But they should wear numbers by which they can be anonymously identified if charges gets filed against them by private persons. Examination of such incidents should not be left to an internal department, but must be transparent, the examination must be counter-controlled by an instance that is outside the police: the accused cannot be in control of the examination. It has been said a lot about the powerful police unions (in America) preventing right this neutral examination working if problems arise. That since so long nothing has changed for the better, is hugely to their part, since they block change and protect their members. Well, thats why I have read, and what they said in a docu in TV this evening.
Just saying. :)
^I'm sorry I didn't read rest of your text :oops:
When I read those words I had put inside "" I was thinking..we have a number system in Denmark and Sweden.
Markus
Skybird
06-10-20, 02:50 PM
^I'm sorry I didn't read rest of your text :oops:
When I read those words I had put inside "" I was thinking..we have a number system in Denmark and Sweden.
Markus
I think in Germany we have both, depends on the federal state you are in.
Catfish
06-11-20, 05:49 AM
[...] The idea that Trump will refuse to accept the results of the 2020 election are so far not backed up by any facts. [...]
"I will accept the outcome of the election... only when i win." (Trump 2016)
Yeah of course, thinking of what he all said nothing has much to do with facts :haha:
u crank
06-11-20, 09:35 AM
"I will accept the outcome of the election... only when i win." (Trump 2016)
Yeah of course, thinking of what he all said nothing has much to do with facts :haha:
Well I know you don't take this seriously. At least I hope you don't. They said the same thing about Bush Jr and Obama. It's a political tactic to paint the president as the dictator they want him to be.
The truth is that any president who refused to give up the office would be up against it. On January 20 2020 the winner of the election becomes President and all the power of that office is transfered to him or her on that date. The people who believe in these conspiracy theories never explain how a losing president would retain power.
Refusing to leave the White House would not make Trump President. It would make him look foolish though.:O:
Well I know you don't take this seriously. At least I hope you don't. They said the same thing about Bush Jr and Obama. It's a political tactic to paint the president as the dictator they want him to be.
The truth is that any president who refused to give up the office would be up against it. On January 20 2020 the winner of the election becomes President and all the power of that office is transfered to him or her on that date. The people who believe in these conspiracy theories never explain how a losing president would retain power.
Refusing to leave the White House would not make Trump President. It would make him look foolish though.:O:
The same goes in other democratic countries
Where the government or the opposition try to convince the voters, the opposition/government is not worth a vote.
Markus
Catfish
06-11-20, 03:34 PM
[...] Refusing to leave the White House would not make Trump President. It would make him look foolish though.:O:
You don't say :haha:
Ego is one of the biggest poisons, it's toxic to any environment.
Skybird
06-11-20, 03:36 PM
Where the government or the opposition try to convince the voters, the opposition/government is not worth a vote.
That sh/could have been from me.:) Brilliant! Made a mental copy for later use.
:Kaleun_Cheers:
"I will accept the outcome of the election... only when i win." (Trump 2016)
Yeah of course, thinking of what he all said nothing has much to do with facts :haha:
"I would like to promise and pledge to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the United States that I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election, if I win.
Of course, I would accept a clear election result, but I would also reserve my right to contest or file a legal challenge in the case of a questionable result," Trump said. "And always, I will follow and abide by all of the rules and traditions of all of the many candidates who have come before me. Always."
The actual speech sounds a bit different and it's interesting to note than no candidate ever has said they would accept questionable results, nor has a candidate ever said that they would not accept victory. Gore didn't. Hillary still doesn't and you can bet your bottom dollar that when Trump wins reelection the Dems will not accept that result either.
em2nought
06-11-20, 11:56 PM
and you can bet your bottom dollar that when Trump wins reelection the Dems will not accept that result either.
Just great, another strange new virus will probably "magically" show up on our shores. :03:
Cybermat47
06-12-20, 12:01 AM
Just great, another strange new virus will probably "magically" show up on our shores. :03:
Yes, my grandfather nearly dying was really all about America :doh:
Cybermat47
06-12-20, 12:29 AM
Bases named for Confederates changed to Afghan War generals, continuing tradition of naming bases after losers
https://www.duffelblog.com/2020/06/bases-named-for-confederates-changed-to-afghan-war-generals-continuing-tradition-of-naming-bases-after-losers/
“Our generals who led our forces in Afghanistan cost our country in excess of two trillion dollars over the last 18 years, only to inevitably cede all our gains back to the Taliban as soon as we completely withdraw, and all for the cause of maintaining our nation’s enslavement to the military-industrial complex,” added Esper.
“Frankly, their profligate accomplishments dwarf those of the Confederacy, and we are proud to inscribe their names on the gates of our military installations.”
:haha:
Mr Quatro
06-12-20, 10:10 AM
“Our generals who led our forces in Afghanistan cost our country in excess of two trillion dollars over the last 18 years, only to inevitably cede all our gains back to the Taliban as soon as we completely withdraw, and all for the cause of maintaining our nation’s enslavement to the military-industrial complex,”
The war was not in vain ... we now have some of the best trained troops in the world and may even have prevented another Bin Laden from forming another attack on American soil, of which it's own citizens have now taken up bricks against. :yep:
Yes, my grandfather nearly dying was really all about America :doh:
Diseases show up on our shores all the time. Until now they have never been deliberately used by one party to destroy the economy and institute authoritarian rule.
Cybermat47
06-12-20, 09:14 PM
The war was not in vain ... we now have some of the best trained troops in the world and may even have prevented another Bin Laden from forming another attack on American soil, of which it's own citizens have now taken up bricks against. :yep:
True, but now that the troops have been told to withdraw with the Taliban still existing, I’d say that the veteran author’s frustration is understandable.
Diseases show up on our shores all the time. Until now they have never been deliberately used by one party to destroy the economy and institute authoritarian rule.
When was the last time a disease killed 100,000 Americans?
True, but now that the troops have been told to withdraw with the Taliban still existing, I’d say that the veteran author’s frustration is understandable.
When was the last time a disease killed 100,000 Americans?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
Government authoritarianism did not even approach what we're seeing now.
Cybermat47
06-12-20, 10:54 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
Government authoritarianism did not even approach what we're seeing now.
So, in that example, the government didn’t institute proper quarantine procedures and 100,000 people died.
With COVID-19, people are ignoring proper quarantine procedure instituted by the government, and 116,000 people (0.04% of the population) have died so far, with that number probably soon rising significantly due to protests.
In New Zealand, people followed quarantine procedure instituted by the government, and only 22 people died (0.000444220090863% of the population), only 1154 got infected, the virus has been wiped out there, all the quarantine procedures have been removed, and the country has returned to pre-virus life.
So, in that example, the government didn’t institute proper quarantine procedures and 100,000 people died.
With COVID-19, people are ignoring proper quarantine procedure instituted by the government, and 116,000 people (0.04% of the population) have died so far, with that number probably soon rising significantly due to protests.
In New Zealand, people followed quarantine procedure instituted by the government, and only 22 people died (0.000444220090863% of the population), only 1154 got infected, the virus has been wiped out there, all the quarantine procedures have been removed, and the country has returned to pre-virus life.
Not comparable, The county I live in has 4 million people. (that's equal to the population of your whole country.) a better comparison would be Hawaii, there the population is 1.3 million (706 confirmed cases & 17 related deaths) and like New Zealand they are made up of Islands. During this or any pandemic, it is very advantageous to live on an Island with natural barriers that make it easier to Isolate. And that is what made the major difference why the pandemic wasn't worse. Island nations have a leg up on the large landmasses in dealing with pandemics.
So it's not so much your superior response to the pandemic as it is location, location, location. :)
Not comparable, The county I live in has 4 million people. (that's equal to the population of your whole country.) a better comparison would be Hawaii, there the population is 1.3 million (706 confirmed cases & 17 related deaths) and like New Zealand they are made up of Islands. During this or any pandemic, it is very advantageous to live on an Island with natural barriers that make it easier to Isolate. And that is what made the major difference why the pandemic wasn't worse. Island nations have a leg up on the large landmasses in dealing with pandemics.
So it's not so much your superior response to the pandemic as it is location, location, location. :)
That's what it's coming down to. Location.
Living in places like New York City stacked up cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings sharing elevators and stairwells, with millions more people streaming in and out of the city every day in fetid enclosed subway cars, buses and airliners, it's small wonder why remote and open places like New Zealand have a much smaller infection rate.
But don't expect government to sell that idea when they can use the pandemic to justify authoritarian restrictions. We Americans pride ourselves in our rights and freedoms but apparently all of that can be wiped away by a governors executive order.
em2nought
06-13-20, 12:10 PM
Talk of Trump rallies starting up again, and suddenly more talk in the news of lock downs being "needed" again. :har:
UglyMowgli
06-13-20, 12:44 PM
Not comparable, The county I live in has 4 million people. (that's equal to the population of your whole country.) a better comparison would be Hawaii, there the population is 1.3 million (706 confirmed cases & 17 related deaths) and like New Zealand they are made up of Islands. During this or any pandemic, it is very advantageous to live on an Island with natural barriers that make it easier to Isolate. And that is what made the major difference why the pandemic wasn't worse. Island nations have a leg up on the large landmasses in dealing with pandemics.
So it's not so much your superior response to the pandemic as it is location, location, location. :)
For me is more about what preparation you had, who was in charge and how you enforce the rules. My city Edmonton, we are roughly 1.3M, so far 13 deaths (8 in a long day care), 667 case.
We had a plan since 2014 for flu pandemic, no politicians were involved in the management of the crisis, the Chief Medical Officer and her team was in charge and took the decisions, not the city mayor, the Health minister or the Premier of Alberta.
We had a shutdown, we had lot of layoff , a rush on toilet paper like other countries :03: but we are reopening (except schools and University) and we are waiting for the next wave to come and we are now well prepared for this one.
Skybird
06-14-20, 09:51 AM
I put this here, not in the Corona thread.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/inspiring-story-of-seattle-mans-coronavirus-survival-comes-with-a-1-1-million-dollar-hospital-bill/
Jimbuna
06-14-20, 01:50 PM
Asking for a subscription?
Skybird
06-14-20, 04:07 PM
?? No, not here. And I have not subscribed earlier, why would I...
You can just delete the box, you must not give your email. The X in the corner, left top.
Skybird
06-14-20, 04:09 PM
Tearing down monuments? - If so, then do it right.
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/denkmale_ts/25915694/2-format1007.jpg
You my American friends(others are welcome too), what's your comment to this statement in the following link ?
The ramp that I descended after my West Point commencement speech was very long and steep,” the president wrote, “had no handrail and, most importantly, was very slippery. The last thing I was going to do is ‘fall’ for the Fake News to have fun with. Final ten feet I ran down to level ground. Momentum!”
When you click on the link, Press then F5 or click on refresh page, then this..don't know what you call it disappear.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/14/trump-unsteady-walk-down-west-point-ramp
For some reason it doesn't help doing those things.
Markus
Jimbuna
06-15-20, 12:53 PM
?? No, not here. And I have not subscribed earlier, why would I...
You can just delete the box, you must not give your email. The X in the corner, left top.
Won't let me, doesn't like my ad blocker but that'e okay, I sent them yours instead :)
skidman
06-15-20, 03:31 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/14/trump-unsteady-walk-down-west-point-ramp
Let's face it: Mr. Trump is in his seventies (and so is Mr. Biden). For a man of his age it is not unusual to experience coordination problems (because of low blood sugar levels, lack of sleep, some infection, etc.). But let's not forget that Presidents like Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy suffered from cronic diseases during their presidency and still delivered decent politics. In Germany our Chancellor Mrs. Merkel needs to sit in a chair when receiving guests from abroad to prevent shivering and circulatory disturbance. Politics is a hard job.
I hope Trumps's and Biden's bodily constitution will not play a major role in the election campaign, but I fear a lot of dirty laundry will be washed in public. However: When mental health comes up I know who holds all the aces.
Skybird
06-15-20, 06:32 PM
Won't let me, doesn't like my ad blocker but that'e okay, I sent them yours instead :)
I use an adblocker as well, uBlock Origin. I used some other big and famous one until 2 or 3 years ago, but then learned that they allow to get paid for unblocking blocked componies. That was the reason why uBlock became very popular. It also does less slowing down of the browser even when using several lists.
Jimbuna
06-16-20, 10:29 AM
I use an adblocker as well, uBlock Origin. I used some other big and famous one until 2 or 3 years ago, but then learned that they allow to get paid for unblocking blocked componies. That was the reason why uBlock became very popular. It also does less slowing down of the browser even when using several lists.
I'm currently using Adaware Ad Blocker.
skidman
06-16-20, 02:08 PM
oops, wrong thread...
Skybird
06-16-20, 03:34 PM
The Donaldinarium spins in overtime:
"'These are the people, the best, the smartest … And they've come up with the AIDS vaccine' "
Finally! :yeah: I demand the Nobel Prize for Donald showing them the way!
https://i.imgur.com/S3Ezxia.jpg
Mr Quatro
06-16-20, 10:06 PM
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.DeoS-Vf7SpcPGpB6vuaFmAHaFj?w=220&h=180&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7
Cybermat47
06-17-20, 01:28 AM
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.DeoS-Vf7SpcPGpB6vuaFmAHaFj?w=220&h=180&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7
Politics in a nutshell. Apparently there are some communists who think that I’m a Nazi for being libertarian-left, because common ground can’t exist anymore :doh:
Catfish
06-17-20, 01:28 AM
[...] "'These are the people, the best, the smartest … And they've come up with the AIDS vaccine' " [...]
:yeah:
https://i.imgur.com/S3Ezxia.jpg
Robert Byrd left the KKK in 1952.
However, when running for the United States House of Representatives in 1952, he announced "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan
The second photo is of Trump in 1986 having received the Ellis Island Medal of Honor award. Otto Coca, spokesperson for the Ellis Island Honors Society had this to say:
In the first year, "people were honored with the award for what they stood for more than what they did," Coca had said. Parks, for example, was honored for standing up to adversity. Trump’s recognition came from "doing well for the city of New York" through his business endeavors.
[..]
"It had nothing to do with race," Coca said about the photograph. "They were all honored for different reasons and they were just all standing together, that’s the only reason that picture exists."https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/09/facebook-posts/trumps-ellis-island-award-1980s-was-not-brotherhoo/
Cybermat47
06-17-20, 04:47 AM
https://i.imgur.com/8bXqWKF.jpg
Mr Quatro
06-17-20, 10:01 AM
Robert Byrd left the KKK in 1952.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan
The second photo is of Trump in 1986 having received the Ellis Island Medal of Honor award. Otto Coca, spokesperson for the Ellis Island Honors Society had this to say:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/09/facebook-posts/trumps-ellis-island-award-1980s-was-not-brotherhoo/
Another reason to keep Dowly around ... I was just judging the photo's till Dowly told the truth :up:
Dowly is the king of the selective quote. Here's the part from Wiki link that he didn't want to include: :roll:
n the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan) in Sophia, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia,_West_Virginia).[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#cite_note-nyt1-10)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#cite_note-WP061905-12) As a young boy, Byrd had witnessed his adoptive father walk in a Klan parade in Matoaka, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matoaka,_West_Virginia). While growing up, Byrd had heard that "the Klan defended the American way of life against racemixers and communists". He then wrote to Joel L. Baskin, Grand Dragon of the Realm of Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland and Delaware, who responded that he would come and organize a chapter when Byrd had recruited 150 people. Byrd’s house couldn't fit 150 people, so he arranged to hold the ceremony at the home of C.M. “Clyde” Goodwin, a former law enforcement officer who lived in Crab Orchard, West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_Orchard,_West_Virginia). When Baskin called for nominations for Exalted Cyclops, the highest-ranking official in the Klavern, Byrd was nominated and quickly elected by unanimous vote.[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#cite_note-18)
It was Baskin who told Byrd, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "Suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#cite_note-19) Byrd became a recruiter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleagle) and leader of his chapter.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#cite_note-WP061905-12) When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exalted_Cyclops)) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#cite_note-WP061905-12)
In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation) Mississippi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi) Senator Theodore G. Bilbo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_G._Bilbo):I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Glory) trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#cite_note-WP061905-12)[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#cite_note-20)
In 1946, Byrd wrote a letter to a Grand Wizard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Wizard) stating, "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."But yeah I guess no transgression can not be forgiven if it's a Democrat because you know, Trump...
Mr Quatro
06-17-20, 01:08 PM
:haha: Count on August to get to the bottom of selective quoting :yep:
:haha: Count on August to get to the bottom of selective quoting :yep:
Thank you. Byrd did quit the klan but that was no youthful mistake. He was a klan officer for over a decade. But to Dowly thats ok i guess. Go figure foreigners!
Ah yes, I tried to hide something by *drum roll* providing a link to it!
Quote him all you want, he left the KKK in 1952. Want to criticize him? Find something from after that.
Here, have some straws, you're running low
https://i.imgur.com/BV1WjMb.jpg
It's US-Politics related.
This was scary to read.
While followers all want a second civil war to reset American society, their desired new society varies from embracing racism to one focused on armed libertarianism, the experts said.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-16/suspects-charged-killing-santa-cruz-cop-and-oakland-federal-officer
Markus
It's US-Politics related.
This was scary to read.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-16/suspects-charged-killing-santa-cruz-cop-and-oakland-federal-officer
Markus
They're like a disorganized Libertarian version of Antifa but much smaller and far less active.
Jimbuna
06-18-20, 04:33 AM
I find this quite worrying and surprising if true.
Donald Trump was unaware the UK was a nuclear power, according to a book by his former national security adviser John Bolton.
The US President is alleged to have been unaware of the British military capability during a meeting with former PM Theresa May two years ago.
Mr Bolton, who worked in the White House for 17 months, said the president was "stunningly uninformed".
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab declined to comment on the claim on Thursday.
Mr Bolton's 577-page tome, The Room Where It Happened, is due to go on sale next week - but the Trump administration is trying to block its publication.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53090938
skidman
06-18-20, 05:12 AM
It is worrying but not surprising.
Bolton also reports that Trump asked his advisors if Finland was a part of Russia and this is neither surprising. But if he had asked "Has Finland become a part of Russia?" (given he is on the phone with Mr. Putin frequently), it would be worrying.
Skybird
06-18-20, 05:20 AM
I find this quite worrying and surprising if true.
Worrying: yes, surprising: not at all. This man is as simple as a log.
Plenty of more worrying things in the book (allegedly, it's not out yet) from what I hear.
Sure would have been nice to have Bolton testify during the impeachment proceedings.
Bolton and my own life experience.
I know that a person, who have been fired from a job, isn't exactly nice in their description of their bosses and former friends.
Hear them talking about this awful thing from their works.
With this in mind and the memory that Bolton was fired because he was what you call a warmonger.
So how much of these accusation is correct and what is made up- ?
Seeing it from a different angle: How much of what Bolton have written will anti-Trumpers believe in.
Personally I couldn't care less - He is your President thereby your headache
Markus
Skybird
06-18-20, 08:53 AM
Plenty of more worrying things in the book (allegedly, it's not out yet) from what I hear.
Sure would have been nice to have Bolton testify during the impeachment proceedings.
Since the process is impotent and Repoub lican senators form the majority an ddecided to give a damn for facts and instead grab their power with both hands, it would not have made a difference because, as I said: the mechanism of impeachment trials is a flawed design and thus, impotent. It leaves the verdict to the affected parties. That is absurd, like a court trial held by the accused, and him deciding on the verdict.
Which does not mean that the Democrats do not give a pitiful sight as well, and all by themselves. Idiots.
u crank
06-18-20, 09:20 AM
Sure would have been nice to have Bolton testify during the impeachment proceedings.
Two things. Bolton does not like Trump and probably never did.
And if Bolton had any kind of incriminating evidence he would have followed the standard procedure. Have that information anonymously leaked to the very compliant media. The fact that it hasn't happened is a good clue that there is no there there.
Two things. Bolton does not like Trump and probably never did.I guess ever eyewitness testimony of a crime where the witness doesn't like the suspect needs to be dismissed. Logic!
In brighter news:
Supreme Court blocks Trump from ending DACA in big win for Dreamers
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that the Trump administration cannot carry out its plan to shut down the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which has allowed nearly 800,000 young people, known as Dreamers, to avoid deportation and remain in the U.S.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1115116
Good on them :up:
Bilge_Rat
06-18-20, 12:45 PM
well as usual people do not seem to have a clue what DACA is.
Congress adopts the laws and the President enforces them.
Congress adopted immigration laws and under those laws, the so-called 800,000 "Dreamers" are illegal aliens subject to removal from the USA.
President Obama took the postion that he could "selectively" enforce certain laws like the immigration laws and only enforce the laws against high risk illegal aliens, allowing "dreamers" a semi-legal way to remain in the USA. That position has been overturned by every Court regarding the substance, namely that the President can ignore Congress and choose not to enforce certain laws, so DACA itself is illegal and unconstitutional, the SCOTUS decision does not change that.
What SCOTUS ruled is that the Trump administration did not follow the correct procedure in ending DACA, so they can still end DACA, they just have to go back to the drawing board and do it properly.
Now Congress could easily solve the problem by amending the immigration laws to give "Dreamers" a legal status and a path to citizenship, but Congressmen and Senators of both parties are too scared to ever do anything so "radical". :ping:
What a lot of observers are also missing is the big picture. Chief Justice Roberts seems to be all over the map siding with liberals or conservatives, but as I see it, he is trying to preserve the integrity of the Court by refusing to get dragged into political fights. You will notice that all the big decisions coming out do not actually set a Constitutional precedent. He tries to get the Court to rule in such a way that the decision gets thrown back to the President or Congress to deal with. I would expect something similar on the ruling regarding Trump's personal financial records and tax returns.
u crank
06-18-20, 01:33 PM
I guess ever eyewitness testimony of a crime where the witness doesn't like the suspect needs to be dismissed. Logic!
And no one ever wrote a tell all book to get back at people who they think wrong them. Never.
:hmmm:
Bilge_Rat
06-18-20, 01:53 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/tech/facebook-trump-ads-triangle-takedown/index.html
facebook pulls a Trump Campaign ad because it had an inverted red triangle in it.
Apparently an inverted red triangle is a "Nazi" ww2 symbol.
I have been studying WW2 for close to 50 years. I am a WW2 nut and know pretty much all there is, but never saw anyone raise that an inverted red triangle is a "Nazi" symbol. WTF!!!!
By the way Neal/Jimbuna et al., I see a lot of red triangles in your emojis:, i.e.
:/\\!!
or
:/\\:
or even more sinister:
:/\\k:
Are you guys also secret "Nazi" fellow travellers??? :ping:
Skybird
06-18-20, 02:07 PM
The turned red triangle was used by Nazi guards in KZs to mark prisoners, similiar to the use of yellow David stars on Jews' clothing. Trump'S brilliant team used the same symbol in a post on defaming claimed Antifa people.
There is no low for this scum that is low enough. Maybe they next come with the idea to hand out free white hoods. The smart mind for such ideas they have, no doubt. The brutal unscrupulousness as well. And the master himself today had another party day with firing a barrage of lies.
People attending the mas smeetings Trump is planning to hold, have to declare in writing that they will not sue him or his team if they ctach Corona on that mass meeting. I am certain that many people would still agree to even kill their grandmother just to go there if their idols calls. Well.
Bilge_Rat
06-18-20, 02:41 PM
The turned red triangle was used by Nazi guards in KZs to mark prisoners.
true. but it is such an obscure fact that only serious academic holocaust historians who research the subject would make the link.
99.999999999% of american voters would have no idea of the supposed link between an "inverted red triangle"and "OMG NAZIS !!!!" (tm)
most voters don't even have any basic knowledge about what happened in WW2...:ping:
I don't know who are the bigger dumbasses, those who think this is some kind of subliminal message aimed at the KKK or the dumbasses at Facebook that fell for this scam...:haha:
Every day I get home from work and log on to see that the American left has gone more crazy.
This is what Wiki says about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Triangle_(family_planning)
An inverted Red Triangle is the symbol for family planning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_planning) health and contraception (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraception) services, much as the red cross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_cross) is a symbol for medical services.[citation needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] It is especially prevalent in many developing nations such as India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), Ghana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana), Gambia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambia), Zimbabwe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe), Egypt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) and Thailand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand), where it can be seen outside shops and clinics that offer family planning products, and as in commercial and government messages that promote reproductive health services and population control. It is frequently placed on contraceptive products, such as condoms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoms), diaphragms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaphragm_(contraceptive)), spermicidal gel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spermicide), and IUDs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IUD) (for instance, on the government-subsidized Nirodh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirodh) condoms in India and Sultan condoms in Gambia).
The freaking nazis wore pants too. What's next? Are the Dems and their media shills going to claim that Trumps trousers are a white power symbol?
Was to hasty-missed a few lines in former post.
Markus
iambecomelife
06-18-20, 04:46 PM
The turned red triangle was used by Nazi guards in KZs to mark prisoners, similiar to the use of yellow David stars on Jews' clothing. Trump'S brilliant team used the same symbol in a post on defaming claimed Antifa people.
There is no low for this scum that is low enough. Maybe they next come with the idea to hand out free white hoods. The smart mind for such ideas they have, no doubt. The brutal unscrupulousness as well. And the master himself today had another party day with firing a barrage of lies.
People attending the mas smeetings Trump is planning to hold, have to declare in writing that they will not sue him or his team if they ctach Corona on that mass meeting. I am certain that many people would still agree to even kill their grandmother just to go there if their idols calls. Well.
How dare anyone defame Antifa!! They should be allowed beat up/assault whoever they want.
em2nought
06-18-20, 04:50 PM
I don't know who are the bigger dumbasses, those who think this is some kind of subliminal message aimed at the KKK or the dumbasses at Facebook that fell for this scam...:haha:
I'll just point out that Skybird apparently believes it. :03:
iambecomelife
06-18-20, 04:55 PM
I'll just point out that Skybird apparently believes it. :03:
He'll believe anything. Witness his dumb cartoon the other day about tearing down the statue of liberty. Meanwhile, guess which side is tearing down/vandalizing statues linked to Thomas Jefferson, Washington, etc?
https://www.opb.org/news/article/thomas-jefferson-statue-pulled-down-portland-jefferson-high/
Let me guess, Trump parachuted in and spray painted the statue to make the other side look bad, and then sneaked away.
Skybird
06-18-20, 05:11 PM
Now you guys shut up for the rest of the night and take a deep breath before carrying on, I recommend. Because:
you guys are embarassing. What about you switch on your brains before talking on, eh? I would highly recommend it, because for what you produced until here you should feel ashamed for, and you put shame on your parents who raised you.
If you must be explained why you do not dehumanize somebody else by declaring him as valid a target for abuse, torture and elimination like victims of Nazi guards were valid targets for abuse, torture and assassination, if you do not understand why you do not even imply such a link, then I am sorry for you, and you have certainly disqualified yourself for any further civil conversation. And you are not far away from the mindset of those who committed such crimes back then in those dark days - and felt good and laughed when massacring another group.
Three years of Trumpian hatespeech, destruction of remaining civil standards, and notorious lies presented in the most natural manner, work wonders, it seems. The social-psychological equivalent of an atomic bomb dropped on America.
Come to your senses.
iambecomelife
06-18-20, 05:15 PM
Now you guys shut up for the rest of the night and take a deep breath before carrying on, I recommend. Because:
you guys are embarassing. What about you switch on your brains before talking on, eh? I would highly recommend it, because for what you produced until here you should feel ashamed for, and you put shame on your parents who raised you.
If you must be explained why you do not dehumanize somebody else by declaring him as valid a target for abuse, torture and elimination like victims of Nazi guards were valid targets for abuse, torture and assassination, if you do niot understand why you do not even imply such a link, then I am sorry for you, and you have certainyl disqualified yourself for any further civil conversation.
Three years of Trumpian hatspeech, destruction of remaining civil standards and lies work wonders, it seems.
Come to your senses.
Why don't you fly over and make me shut up, boy? I don't give a toss about who you feel is "qualified" to participate in this conversation or not. I think it's just your totalitarian impulses showing.
Mr Quatro
06-18-20, 05:56 PM
Whoo who!:Kaleun_Applaud:
What we have here is a good ole fashion food fight :Kaleun_Cheers:
Y'all fight fair now :D
Jimbuna
06-19-20, 04:49 AM
Gentlemen please. let us try to remain civil and not resort to insulting one another. We are ALL aware of the rules and requirements of this forum.
TIA
Bilge_Rat
06-19-20, 08:34 AM
so, according to this article which has multiple links, the "inverted red triangle" is a symbol commonly used by ANTIFA and anti-facist organizations. Apparently, it has been adopted by ANTIFA specifically because it was used by the NAZIS to ID political prisoners, i.e. it is considered a badge of honour.
The inverted red triangle is widely used in Antifa-themed merchandise, on stickers, magnets, posters, and even Antifa-themed mobile phone cases.
Twitter user Åsk Wäppling, founder of adland.tv, shared pictures from Antifa groups demonstrating the historical evolution of the symbol, and its current use by Antifa.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/06/18/facebooks-excuse-to-censor-trump-a-red-triangle-has-long-history-as-antifa-symbol/
For the same reason, Antifa in several countries (mainly the Netherlands) use the red triangle symbol. Red triangle = political opponent in Nazi concentration camps, see.
so if we use the same twisted logic used by Facebook, does this mean that:
1. ANTIFA members are in fact secret NAZI sympathizers because they use NAZI symbols?; and
2. Will Facebook be banning all ANTIFA material that displays the red triangle because it is a NAZI symbol?. :doh:
The "Looney Left" and their media shills are increasingly becoming a group of braindead morons. They can't even put together a line of attack that does not immediately fall apart. :haha:
Cybermat47
06-19-20, 09:20 AM
The "Looney Left" and their media shills are increasingly becoming a group of braindead morons. They can't even put together a line of attack that does not immediately fall apart. :haha:
Again, the left, just like the right, isn’t a cohesive group.
Moderate left libertarians (like myself) are opposed to far left authoritarians (communists), who hate far left libertarians (anarchists).
Like how moderate right libertarians (conservatives) are opposed to far right authoritarians (fascists), who hate far right libertarians (anarcho-capitalists).
Facebook and antifa are ideologically opposed, regardless of them both being left-wing (though antifa would probably argue that Facebook is closer to anarcho-capitalism and just pretending to be left-wing in order to preserve their bottom line, which makes sense honestly).
Still, this is a nice change of pace from people saying that anything right of communism is Nazism. Because FLAs are actually that salty.
To be fair FRAs are super salty as well, but they’re usually too offended by Jewish people and autistic people like me existing to form complete sentences.
Antifa in several countries (mainly the Netherlands)[..]Let me know if you're running low on straws, I can swing by your way when I resupply August next time.
Also, it really isn't hard to find information on the different symbols used in German camps during WW2, you pretty much stumble on it accidentally if you start reading about the camps. Stop trying to make it seem this is some "obscure fact that only serious academic holocaust historians who research the subject would make the link", it really isnt.
skidman
06-19-20, 10:31 AM
so, according to this article which has multiple links, the "inverted red triangle" is a symbol commonly used by ANTIFA and anti-facist organizations.
I see (I've never seen it used by ANTIFA when I joined Anti-Nazi-Demos in Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands and France in the last 20 years, but hey, what do I know). On the other hand you wrote:
99.999999999% of american voters would have no idea of the supposed link between an "inverted red triangle"and "OMG NAZIS !!!!"
And this, combined with the crap you posted today, means of course, only 0.00000001% of the voters can be labeled as ANTIFA. Fine. I wonder why the the imbecile in the Oval Office even addresses
this tiny tiny fraction.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/06/18/facebooks-excuse-to-censor-trump-a-red-triangle-has-long-history-as-antifa-symbol/
Aahhh Breitbart! No further comment needed here...
Funny how the right-wingers go bonkers just because someone failed to put together a decent ad to support the orange disaster.
Bilge_Rat
06-19-20, 11:15 AM
yup, very easy to get a rise out of the "Looney Left" (tm). :haha:
yup, very easy to get a rise out of the "Looney Left" (tm). :haha:
Translation: I have nothing to defend my argument with so I better just call them names.
You're embarrassing.
Bilge_Rat
06-19-20, 01:03 PM
You're embarrassing.
Oh look who is resorting to insults now!
typical brainwashed looney leftie behavior, but then you are so predictable. :)
P.s. - I would bother to respond if you actually had anything worthwhile to contribute, sadly you rarely do.
Cybermat47
06-19-20, 01:06 PM
Please relax guys. At the end of the day, while we might disagree politically, we all have enough in common to end up on this forum. Perhaps we should focus more on what brings us together, rather than what divides us.
Besides, none of us are going to convince anyone else to change ideology like this :D
Jimbuna
06-19-20, 02:32 PM
Please relax guys. At the end of the day, while we might disagree politically, we all have enough in common to end up on this forum. Perhaps we should focus more on what brings us together, rather than what divides us.
Besides, none of us are going to convince anyone else to change ideology like this :D
Wise words, saved me the bother. So if I've read it, hopefully other contributors will.
TIA
Trump admin is pushing the US attorney for SDNY out who just happens to be looking into the activities of Trump associates. :roll:
Manhattan US attorney says he has 'no intention' of resigning after AG Barr tried to force him out, adds that investigations will continue 'without fear or favor'
https://www.businessinsider.com/geoffrey-berman-us-attorney-sdny-resigns-barr-announces-2020-6?r=US&IR=T
Attorney General William Barr announced Friday that Geoffrey Berman, the US attorney for the Southern District of New York, is "stepping down" from his role. He added that President Donald Trump will nominate Jay Clayton, the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), to replace Berman.
[..]
"I learned in a press release from the Attorney General tonight that I was 'stepping down' as United States Attorney. I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning, my position, to which I was appointed by the Judges of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York," Berman said.
"I will step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate. Until then, our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption," he added. "I cherish every day that I work with the men and women of this Office to pursue justice without fear or favor — and intend to insure that this Office's important cases continue unimpeded."
The SDNY conducted or is conducting multiple investigations into Trump associates and other interests linked to the president.
Skybird
06-20-20, 08:54 AM
^
Thugs do what thugs are. Trump by now is the modern hero of brutalizing politics in the West. The plebs applaudes. Panem et circensis works. America's once claimed moral authority is completely destroyed, and it will never come back.
"I do not know if the people of the United States would vote for superior men if they ran for office, but there can be no doubt that such men do not run. (...) Society is endangered not by the great profligacy of a few, but by the laxity of morals amongst all. (...) Men will not accept truth at the hands of their enemies, and truth is seldom offered to them by their friends." - Alexis de Tocqueville: Democracy in America. - If he said that already back in his time, I wonder what he would say today.
a question regarding this upcoming book by Bolton.
First a sentence, which I have translated from Danish
"Surprisingly, Trump began the conversation toward the upcoming presidential election, and with references to China's economic capacity, he asked Xi to ensure he is re-elected, Bolton writes in the book, which, among other things, the business newspaper The Wall Street Journal has published excerpts from."
I would love to hear what type of Response Trump got from Xi
Because his response would mean everything.
Here's my question.
If I remember correctly from your answer earlier-An American president are not allowed to get help from a foreign country.
Is this correct ?
Markus
^
Thugs do what thugs are. Trump by now is the modern hero of brutalizing politics in the West. The plebs applaudes. Panem et circensis works. America's once claimed moral authority is completely destroyed, and it will never come back.
Oooh, another opportunity for Germany to show it's quality. :) Whaddaya gonna do, invade Poland again?
Oooh, another opportunity for Germany to show it's quality. :) Whaddaya gonna do, invade Poland again?
This time it was the other way around, they let EU take over their country freely.
They did this through a referendum(I think it was) among the Polish people.
Back to US-politics
Markus
Skybird
06-20-20, 09:58 AM
I would love to hear what type of Response Trump got from Xi
Because his response would mean everything.
China started to buy more agricultural products. Farmers are one of Trump's core voter groups. There you have your repsonse! :03:
If I remember correctly from your answer earlier-An American president are not allowed to get help from a foreign country.
Is this correct ?Why spoiling the show with hairsplitting subtelties? Its so much more fun to just enjoy the hacking and slaying and the turning of American political culture into a real pig's breakfast! :yeah: Laws mean nothing in this "administration". Never meant.
And btw, Poland is the biggest net taker in the EU. They take more money from Brussels than the next three countries all together. And who keeps the financial machinery of Brussels running, and is now demanded by the commission to pay even another 42% more? Guess.
Skybird
06-20-20, 10:08 AM
Judge declines to block the launch of Bolton' book.
Trump tries to intimidate protesters ahead of his superspreading event in Tulsa. The hatefilled and dehumanising subtone we already got accustomed to, I assume. Goebbels did the same kind of rhetorics.
Judge declines to block the launch of Bolton' book.
Trump tries to intimidate protesters ahead of his superspreading event in Tulsa. The hatefilled and dehumanising subtone we already got accustomed to, I assume. Goebbels did the same kind of rhetorics.
You mean like what you do every day Herr Gauleiter? :roll:
Here's another thing I don't understand.
If what Bolton claim have happened during his time in the white house is a falsum more correctly an insults on the President of USA.
Then why did Trump act as he did in his tweet and not asking his lawyer to press charge against Mr. Bolton for insults
I know it is to early to speculate whether all is true, none of the content is true or some of it is true/false
I'm waiting to see when this accusation come. An accusation against Mr. Bolton.
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Aktungbby
06-20-20, 11:17 AM
President Donald Trump told The Wall Street Journal that he believes that some Americans are wearing masks during the coronavirus pandemic not to protect others but simply to show that they disapprove of him.
Trump's interview with The Journal's Michael C. Bender (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-talks-juneteenth-john-bolton-economy-in-wsj-interview-11592493771?mod=breakingnews) was published on Thursday, a day after troubling accounts (https://www.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-book-most-explosive-claims-about-trump-2020-6) — contained in a bombshell book by John Bolton, his former national security adviser — emerged of Trump's handling of foreign affairs and competence.
Trump also told The Journal that his issue with masks was that people sometimes touch them, increasing the risk of infection. Masks will be optional at the Tulsa Rally...there will be no 'social distancing':hmmm:https://www.cartoonistgroup.com/properties/bennett/art_images/cg5eec304aeeaea.jpg....partitions in some areas and regular cleaning throughout the event.
Masks will also be available at the event to every attendee. But Trump is not urging people to wear them, despite advice from the country's top infectious diseases expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, that people should have them on at large gatherings.
"If people want to wear masks I think that's great. I won't be. Not as a protest but I don't feel that I'm in danger," Trump said, describing masks as "a double-edged sword."
"I recommend people do what they want."
Protesters are expected to voice their opposition to Trump (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tulsa-rally-protests-1512087) at the event, which was postponed by a day so as not to coincide with Juneteenth, a day that marks the official end of slavery in 1865.
On Friday, Trump suggested on Twitter that any demonstrators could expect the police to use force, saying "protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes" would not be treated "in the same way" as they had been in New York, Seattle, Minneapolis: "It will be a much different scene!"
Trump reiterated that he feels safe to hold the Tulsa rally despite the background of a rising number of new coronavirus cases in Oklahoma and other states nearby.
"I don't feel that I'm in danger," he told Axios. "I've met a lot, a lot of people, and so far here I sit."
iambecomelife
06-20-20, 11:58 AM
Oooh, another opportunity for Germany to show it's quality. :) Whaddaya gonna do, invade Poland again?
:Kaleun_Applaud:
As someone of Afro-Jewish descent, a rabid German flaunting his Teutonic moral superiority on this forum makes me laugh. I wonder what Germany did during 1933-1945? Thankfully, my ancestors were in a part of the world that the Germans never invaded (although they suffered U-Boat raids).
Irony is probably lost on our forum tough guy.. And as for Skybird's anti-Polish comments in this thread? One of my best friends is of Polish descent. A great lady, and Mr. "Shut Up Unless You Agree With Me" could never hold a candle to her. Her family even voted for Obama, but maybe they are still Untermenschen.
I wonder what Germany did during 1933-1945?Are you seriously judging Skybird for what his nation did 80 years ago? Something he had nothing to do with?
And as for Skybird's anti-Polish comments in this thread? One of my best friends is of Polish descent. A great lady, and Mr. "Shut Up Unless You Agree With Me" could never hold a candle to her. Her family even voted for Obama, but maybe they are still Untermenschen.What he said about Poland being the biggest net taker in the EU is correct.
https://www.ednh.news/eu-payers-and-receivers/
iambecomelife
06-20-20, 12:21 PM
Are you seriously judging Skybird for what his nation did 80 years ago? Something he had nothing to do with?
What he said about Poland being the biggest net taker in the EU is correct.
https://www.ednh.news/eu-payers-and-receivers/
Don't you EVER tell me how I should or should not feel about a German Supremacist who demonstrates the same pathologies of thought that some Germans 80 years ago did. I am partly of Jewish descent, and this is personal for me, due to my ancestry.
I'm judging him for his comments made in this thread. Oh, and I thought Tough Guy was going to come shut me up. It's remarkable how Teutonic stereotypes about certain groups being takers, bloodsuckers, and so on persist to the present date.
Just as ugly as his blanket comments about "American moral authority", American this, American that. All part of his Manichean world where American wrongdoing always taints Americans, but German history never happened.
skidman
06-20-20, 01:23 PM
^ With this post the thread has hit rock bottom. Unbelievable.
iambecomelife
06-20-20, 01:43 PM
^ With this post the thread has hit rock bottom. Unbelievable.
So pointing out others' double standards, etc means "hitting rock bottom"?
I take the opinion that ALL races/ethnicities/nationalities/political parties are capable of great evil, and that self criticism is important. SOME Germans, Americans, Russians, Brits, Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, Atheists, Religious, etc ad infinitum do bad things, then pretend that if we could just get rid of those pesky "others" all would be well. I think at least understanding where certain people come from is better than demonizing, and painting yourself/your nationality as the arbiters of truth and justice. What's so controversial about that?
Oh, I get it, some hate is OK, but other hate isn't.
Look at how one person on this thread has been foaming at the mouth about his opponents:
"hate filled"
"dehumanizing"
"like Goebbels" (funny, considering where he comes from!)
"thugs"
"brutalizing"
"scum"
"white hoods"
His words, not mine. But pointing out this fanaticism is the problem??
Jimbuna
06-20-20, 02:17 PM
Okay everyone. My inbox is filling up with messages of concern so as of this post you may all have to turn your angst on me because the name calling and insults STOP RIGHT AS OF NOW.
I'm locking this thread for a minimum of 24 hours to allow everyone to cool down.
Jimbuna
06-21-20, 03:27 PM
Thread is open again but please remember what has gone on before and what the forum rule requirements are.
Turnout At Trump’s Tulsa Rally Was Just Under 6,200–A Fraction Of The Venue’s 19,200 Capacity
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/21/turnout-at-trumps-tulsa-rally-was-just-under-6200a-fraction-of-the-venues-19200-capacity/#18c75f8c1fed
While President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma on Saturday was pitched as an over-subscribed event, with Trump campaign staffers touting ticket registrations over a million, the final turnout came to a fraction of the venue’s overall capacity, confirming reports of low turnout that dogged what was meant to be Trump’s triumphant return to the campaign trail.
That went well. :)
u crank
06-21-20, 04:52 PM
That went well. :)
That’s called social distancing.
Jeff-Groves
06-21-20, 05:17 PM
All the Security kept 1000's of Snipers away.
:hmmm:
Apparently everybody live screened it. I'm surprised even that many did show up. Oklahoma in the summer is not a place you want to be if you can manage it.
nikimcbee
06-21-20, 06:28 PM
Did I miss anything?
Moonlight
06-21-20, 07:09 PM
I think he's talking about the Oklahoma weather.
Summers are long and hot in Oklahoma. The south and eastern parts are more humid, moist, and cloudy than the western region. Temperatures above 100°F (37.8°C) occur from 15 to 35 days in the summer while moving from east to west, while temperatures above 90°F (32.2°C) range occur from 65 to 115 days in the year.
Mr Quatro
06-21-20, 07:46 PM
Did I miss anything?
Move on niki, nothing left to see here :yep:
nikimcbee
06-21-20, 08:41 PM
Wait a minute.......
Did you say....Oklahoma?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUNrHWZaVs
That is just so bad Niki!! :dead:
nikimcbee
06-21-20, 09:19 PM
That is just so bad Niki!! :dead:
https://media.tenor.com/images/c5b82c9643907c28fce7ecf3b76dc572/tenor.gif
Armistead
06-21-20, 10:01 PM
Regardless of people's political beliefs, I try to look at their heart and are they wanting factual and honest debate where a consensus or compromise can be reached for better outcomes. Most people want better outcomes, just have their personal beliefs on how to reach them. The problem becomes when people become so fixed that they can no longer work with others. IMO, past history shows the few people in power that control the narratives are able through propaganda to fix people to positions where they no longer compromise, people are forced to choose sides and usually the outcome is war, be it civil or foreign. The masses die while the elite hope to gain more power and wealth. I think we're getting there again! Personally, I blame the far left!:p2:
Kongo Otto
06-22-20, 01:23 AM
Turnout At Trump’s Tulsa Rally Was Just Under 6,200–A Fraction Of The Venue’s 19,200 Capacity
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/21/turnout-at-trumps-tulsa-rally-was-just-under-6200a-fraction-of-the-venues-19200-capacity/#18c75f8c1fed
That went well. :)
TBH, I really do think The Donald could speak in an empty arena and he still would get the message better out to the people than Alzheimer Joe.
You know in times of the Chinese cough and social distancing there is this nice "new" thing called YouTube. :up:
And surprise surprise, all the live streams had a extremely good view count.
Guardian News: 389,200 views
ABC/ News bay Area: 318,754 views
PBS news hour stream viewers: 410,958 views
NBC News: 673,832 views
Yahoo Finance: 1,736,687 views
Fox News live stream viewers: 2,038,864
The views are still climbing like hell.
The message was sent and obviously heard (or watched in this case).
I can't wait when The Donald debates Joe, that will be fun.
I think I have to stock up my popcorn.
Catfish
06-22-20, 02:49 AM
^ yeah, i can imagine:
Joe: "What did you just say?"
Donald: "I do not care for what i just said!"
I understand the election system is medieval like with the Kurfuerst "elections", also it is obviously impossible for an intelligent man/woman to become Potus without being a millionaire.
Still, is there no better millionaire in the whole US, than those two?
Cybermat47
06-22-20, 03:20 AM
I can't wait when The Donald debates Joe, that will be fun.
Joe will talk about his hairy legs and call black children “roaches”, Donald will go on and on about how he single-handedly saved the world from COVID-19 and doesn’t have small hands, and no woman within 50ft of either of them will feel safe :nope:
Kongo Otto
06-22-20, 03:21 AM
^ yeah, i can imagine:
Joe: "What did you just say?"
Donald: "I do not care for what i just said!"
I understand the election system is medieval like with the Kurfuerst "elections", also it is obviously impossible for an intelligent man/woman to become Potus without being a millionaire.
Still, is there no better millionaire in the whole US, than those two?
Tbh, God Emperor Trump isn't the worst President the US had, *cough* Jimmy Carter *cough*. But let's not go down that rabbit hole.
All that media whining about Trump reminds me when Ronald Reagan became President, all the same usual suspects were mouth foaming back then, the same way the do know. Washington Post, New York Times, ABC, CBS and so on.
And what crap they spouted "He will start WW3", "The end is ny" 24/7.
Major problem with media is that all of them have lost contact with reality/plain joe decades ago.
They live in their echochambers and think they know all. That's the reason they react they way they do, Trump was not even on the map for them. They were so stoned from huffing their own farts and praising godmother Hillary, while every body with a working brain could have told you from the beginning that she wouldn't win.
To be brutally frank, If we take a look at both Dem and Rep candidates during the primaries, yeah, well, they surely didn't send the brightest lanterns in the shed. Tbh, the only two IMHO who could have a chance after The Donald are Andrew Cuomo (D) and Ron DeSantis (R).
Alternatives to those two? I honestly don't see them.
Bernie Sanders? Nancy Pelosi? Nah, they're both at an age they could have rode down the Shenandoah Valley with Phil Sheridan.
Joe Biden again in 2024? Nah, he can be glad when he still can remember his name by then.
Same goes for the Rep's too, there's just nobody other than DeSantis there. Trey Gowdy, maybe?
I humbly disagree about the election system, just alone for the fact that if the US would have a popular vote California and the East Cost would decide every presidential election by their number of voters and that would end in a one party rule. I think the electoral system is maybe a little bit oldschool but it surely has its merit.
Joe will talk about his hairy legs, Donald will go on and on about how he single-handedly saved the world from COVID-19 and doesn’t have small hands, and no woman within 50ft of either of them will feel safe :nope:
I'm not sure about that, I really do think that Biden has no chance in a debate against Trump.
He hammered a few sick burns out against good ole boy Joe in his speech in Tulsa.
I think he would rip Joe a new one.
But that's just me, I could be wrong ofc.
Also worth mentioning:
Now they go after Teddy Roosevelts statue at the New York Natural History Museum. (http://archive.md/6tnZq)
Because ofc, systemic racism. That's the media who supports Joe Biden. These are the people who want nothing more than a cultural revolution, now take a knee and feel guilty for being a white working class dude, because ofc that's rayciss too.
Have fun with Joe as next President, my condolences.
https://i.imgflip.com/1u4s2x.jpg
Bilge_Rat
06-22-20, 01:38 PM
Looks like around 12 million folks watched the rally.
President Trump's rally in Tulsa generated the largest Saturday audience in Fox News Channel's 24-year history in delivering 7.7 million viewers, according to the early Nielsen data.
The rally, which began shortly after 8:00 p.m. and ran for approximately one hour and 45 minutes, was also the network's highest-rated telecast of the year after the president's State of the Union address, which drew 8.2 million viewers in early February.
The Trump campaign also says four million additional unique viewers watched on streaming platforms online.
“President Trump’s rally in Tulsa attracted over 4 million unique viewers across all of the campaign’s digital media channels. The live-streamed pre-rally shows drew an audience of more than 2.5 million unique viewers by themselves,” said Tim Murtaugh, communications director for Trump 2020.
CNN and MSNBC did not carry the rally live.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/503908-trump-rally-delivers-saturday-record-77-million-viewers-on-fox-news
I watched part of it, Trump is clearly more an entertainer than a standard politician, although at the end it was a fairly typical political speech.
Torvald Von Mansee
06-22-20, 01:58 PM
Looks like around 12 million folks watched the rally.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/503908-trump-rally-delivers-saturday-record-77-million-viewers-on-fox-news
I watched part of it, Trump is clearly more an entertainer than a standard politician, although at the end it was a fairly typical political speech.
Spin, baby, spin.
Skybird
06-22-20, 03:03 PM
Explosive revelations in Washington
......................."A##H### !".................................................. ......."Yourself !"
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/enthuellungen_ts/25940002/2-format1007.jpgDer Tagesspiegel, Stuttmann
Onkel Neal
06-25-20, 05:03 PM
Trump is losing ground fast
She Wanted to Be a Republican President. She’s Voting for Biden.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/carly-fiorina-vote-biden/613474/
“As citizens, our vote is more than a check on a box. You know, it’s a statement about where we want to go, and I think what we need now actually is real leadership that can unify the country,” she said. “I am encouraged that Joe Biden is a person of humility and empathy and character. I think he’s demonstrated that through his life. And I think we need humility and empathy everywhere in public life right now. And I think character counts.”
Haha, I don't know what she's been smoking.
The Bolton book doesn't help. Funny how Bolton is so important to the Dems, he was a bad guy under Bush, and worse when the impeachment advocates wanted him to seal the deal. Now he's a sage. :)
Man, he had this in the bag but the last 5 months he has been so tone deaf, so stupid. I guess it's the same story, someone baffles the experts and rises from unlikely circumstances...then they begin to believe what they're selling and they fall on their face.
If Trump overcomes this I'll be more amazed than the first time around. Good thing he's running against Biden.
Skybird
06-25-20, 05:18 PM
If Trump overcomes this I'll be more amazed than the first time around.
Maybe being deeply worried would be the more natural reaction, because it would tell something about people - somethign that cannot be seen as a compliment or an encouraging quality.
I said it often before: Trump as well as the political divide of the present, are not cause and origin, but are symptoms and effects. They feed back on the near future development, yes, but in principle, historically, they are symptoms and effects - not the original causes.
If Biden wins, I will express my dearest congratulations and my dearest condolences. If Trump wins, I will only express my condolences.
Funny how Bolton is so important to the Dems, he was a bad guy under Bush, and worse when the impeachment advocates wanted him to seal the deal. Now he's a sage. :)He's still a bad hombre, but he has information Dems want. Nothing special about it, law enforcement uses criminals turned informations all the time. Doesn't make the criminals any less bad guys.
u crank
06-26-20, 06:04 AM
One thing is for sure. John Bolton's career in the US government is over. Any one would have to be crazy to put this guy in an administration after this book.
Next up ... the CNN/MSNBC analyst job.
em2nought
06-26-20, 11:20 AM
If Biden wins it won't be sleepy Joe making our decisions for us, it will be "the squad" in a hard left turn. I think I'd rather run the risk of dying than hand the USA over to that particular bartender and her amigas. :hmmm:
https://i2.wp.com/wonderwombman.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/6000.jpg?fit=620%2C372&ssl=1
Buddahaid
06-26-20, 11:49 AM
Meh, they'll get about as far as Trump has on everything he wanted.
em2nought
06-26-20, 01:28 PM
Meh, they'll get about as far as Trump has on everything he wanted.
Well, at least you apparently know who you'll be voting to hand the country over to. :D
Halleluja my American friends.
If em2nought is correct, then you will go from
Plaque to cholera or vice versa
To those who dislike Trump I will say onto them
Thou shall not complain-thou have given Biden thy vote.
Markus
Skybird
06-26-20, 03:26 PM
Halleluja my American friends.
you will go from Plaque to cholera or vice versa
Better vice versa, anytime! :D
:O:
Skybird
06-28-20, 11:57 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/bolton-s-book-suggests-trump-corruption-runs-deep-worse-republicans-ncna1231814
Could not say it better myself. The mechanism is a failed design.
Cybermat47
06-29-20, 12:40 AM
Mississippi Legislature votes to remove Confederate elements from flag
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53209854
Politicians in the US state of Mississippi have passed a resolution to replace the state flag with one without the Confederate emblem.
Republican Governor Tate Reeves earlier said he would sign the legislation into law if approved by lawmakers.
Mississippi is the last state in the US to feature the emblem on its flag.
The Confederate emblem is viewed by many as a racist symbol, with recent protests over the death of George Floyd reigniting debate over its use.
The flag was originally used by the slave-owning states that lost the US Civil War (1861-65).
Torvald Von Mansee
06-29-20, 11:41 AM
If Biden wins it won't be sleepy Joe making our decisions for us, it will be "the squad" in a hard left turn. I think I'd rather run the risk of dying than hand the USA over to that particular bartender and her amigas. :hmmm:
https://i2.wp.com/wonderwombman.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/6000.jpg?fit=620%2C372&ssl=1
Not a bartender, but a Congresswoman. Try to keep up.
Mississippi Legislature votes to remove Confederate elements from flag
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53209854
A nine-member commission is expected to design a new flag, to be be voted on in November, that includes the phrase: "In God, We Trust."
Thus setting up the next state flag controversy. They should just go back to the pre 1894 version:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT4E6p5qYOmgQJMp8qokfknX_aMSiL GNL6pOQ&usqp=CAU
Skybird
06-29-20, 05:01 PM
Not a bartender, but a Congresswoman. Try to keep up.
You are easy to convince. Clothings and a title already do the trick.
Is Trump a statesman because he holds title of a president? Hardly.
And many emperors these days are naked.
On the other hand, ability, skill, competence deserve respect even if they come not in brocade and with titles.
https://i.imgur.com/duT4sHUl.jpg
By reading the news a few hours ago(right after midnight) I could see Iran had accused Trump for war crime and had asked Interpol to arrest President Trump.
Good luck with that.
Any request from a government shall be taken serious by Interpol.
But Iran should know that an elected politician can't be arrested like an ordinary person, they are protected by political immunity.
I'm pretty sure it's nothing but a political thing the Iranian have made, by this step.
Markus
Bilge_Rat
07-02-20, 11:44 AM
Another example of the Supreme Court trying to stay out of politics.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-to-hear-arguments-over-house-request-for-mueller-grand-jury-material
SCOTUS will hear the appeal on whether House Democrats should have access to the secret Mueller Grand Jury material.
The appeal will be heard this fall, which means no decision before the november election. Obviously the Democrats were hoping to get the material before the election so they could use any dirt in there against Trump.
I predict the decision on whether the House should have access to Trump's tax returns/Financial records will also be punted until after the election.
Conservatives and Liberals keep blasting Chief Justice Roberts since he seems to be shifting right and left every day, but as I said before IMHO he is trying to avoid getting the Court mired down in politics and tries to throw every touchy issue back to the politicians.
"Those who seek to erase our heritage want Americans to forget our pride and our great dignity, so that we can no longer understand ourselves or America’s destiny. In toppling the heroes of 1776, they seek to dissolve the bonds of love and loyalty that we feel for our country, and that we feel for each other. Their goal is not a better America, their goal is to end America" - Donald Trump.
:salute:
A little wonder...about this independent.
Is a country like USA, England, Canada and so on-truly independent ?
Like what would happen to USA if Japan and then EU and later China collapse economically ?
Yes USA is like rest of the independent state free to choose it's own government free to create own laws and so on.
But each of our countries are dependent on other countries economy and it's political stability.
Markus
Skybird
07-04-20, 04:32 PM
Another example of the Supreme Court trying to stay out of politics.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-to-hear-arguments-over-house-request-for-mueller-grand-jury-material
SCOTUS will hear the appeal on whether House Democrats should have access to the secret Mueller Grand Jury material.
The appeal will be heard this fall, which means no decision before the november election. Obviously the Democrats were hoping to get the material before the election so they could use any dirt in there against Trump.
I predict the decision on whether the House should have access to Trump's tax returns/Financial records will also be punted until after the election.
Conservatives and Liberals keep blasting Chief Justice Roberts since he seems to be shifting right and left every day, but as I said before IMHO he is trying to avoid getting the Court mired down in politics and tries to throw every touchy issue back to the politicians.
Of cours eone could also say that the court is heavily into politics.
It cannot avoid to be political - with the judges called up by presidents, the top politicians in the hierarchy.
Onkel Neal
07-05-20, 08:53 AM
Epstein didn't kill himself. :D
Just getting ahead of events, Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.
Mr Quatro
07-05-20, 09:26 AM
Just getting ahead of events, Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.
What if she has memories of meeting Clinton on Epstein's island? :o
Squeeky clean he is...
Documents show Hunter Biden still controls a stake in a Chinese investment firm (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-has-a-big-china-problem-trump-preps-campaign-assault-on-fall-foe) despite his promise to resign from the company’s board and a pledge from his father Joe Biden that no one in the family will have foreign business entanglements if he is elected in November.
The troubled son of Joe Biden, a former vice president who is now the presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential nominee, holds a 10% equity stake in the Chinese government-linked Bohai Harvest RST (Shanghai) Equity Investment Fund Management Company, according to Chinese business records first reported (https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/05/hunter-biden-chinese-board-bhr-partners-10-percent/) by the Daily Caller.
Through his lawyer, Hunter had promised to leave the board of the Chinese firm by the end of October 2019, but his resignation was only submitted to China’s National Credit Information Publicity System this spring. Two Chinese business websites run by Baidu (https://xin.baidu.com/company_detail_30053123584277?fr=zhidao) and Qixin (https://www.qixin.com/company/d65265d8-3668-4d69-961d-e106f5a32024) both show updates with Hunter’s name being removed from the BHR board of directors in April, but both also show an LLC owned solely by Hunter — Skaneateles — as still being a “sponsor/shareholder” with 3 million yuan invested in the company, purportedly comprising the 10% stake in the China-based business venture.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/records-show-hunter-biden-still-controls-10-stake-in-chinese-firm-despite-leaving-its-board
Mr Quatro
07-06-20, 09:47 PM
Maybe Biden and Trump should leave their children out of the first debate, uh?
Buddahaid
07-07-20, 12:15 AM
3 million yuan amounts to about 420,000 dollars. Not exactly a controlling position but notable.
Skybird
07-07-20, 04:41 AM
Maybe Biden and Trump should leave their children out of the first debate, uh?
Trumps son soon will be the smaller problem for him.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/07/06/mary-trump-book-release-date.cnnbusiness
I am pleased to read she is not just a family insider, but a professional psychologist with clinical background. :D I often said Trump is of psychiatric relevance.
If that book is stylistically not a total messup, it will leave its mark on a significant amount of not iron-hard determined voters.
Last elections, it were the elder voting for him, and also the fact that the blacks did not vote in huge numbers. This year they will, I expect, and many of the older ones are desillusionsed. Without corona thta maybe would not have been sufficient, but with corona, or better Trumps terrible mismanagement and then his campaign during the race riots - this will give him the rest thsi time. Cant imagine currently that he gets out of this again. He has made several safe castle states of the Repüublicans becoming swing states.
The biggest ego in the world - knocked out by the tiniest entity in the world. Thats a joke to make a Hollywood movie of.
Skybird
07-07-20, 08:10 PM
We hereby declare the Donaldinarian Games 2020 open.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/sociopath-clown-7-unflattering-anecdotes-mary-trump-s-book-n1233107
Should become fun.
Jimbuna
07-08-20, 09:52 AM
That and Boltons book will probably be best sellers this year which I actually think is sad in some ways.
Skybird
07-09-20, 09:26 AM
I can hear Trump's unspoken today's thoughts from Washington to here:
"Must dismantle Supreme Court." :D
Since Corona arrived, I cannot help to think that maybe we indeed started to see the beginning of Donalddämmerung. Nothing works well for him anymore, no pieces fall or can be forced into their places any longer. The virus. The virus returns. Bolton book. Family diary. No immunity granted (today's latest story).
Very good. More of this, please! He will of course react like the dysfunctional sociopath that he is: deny, lie, bully and intimidate. But the tighter his fist, the more sand escapes through his fingers.
Bilge_Rat
07-09-20, 09:46 AM
So Trump wins on blocking access to his financial records.
As expected, SCOTUS punted once again sending both cases (from the NY DA and Congress) back to the lower Courts for further litigation.
What this means is that once the lower courts rule and then the Appeal courts and the SCOTUS once again, the november election will be long past.
Skybird
07-09-20, 10:03 AM
I think the perception will be different, and that is what will work against him.
Bilge_Rat
07-09-20, 10:10 AM
not sure what you mean by that, Trump has always refused to release his tax returns and his voters don't seem to care.
Democrats wanted to have access to the returns to release damaging info before the election, now they will not be able to.
They will be able to get the info eventually after november, but once the election is over, whether Trump wins or loses, it will be academic.
Skybird
07-09-20, 11:27 AM
His defending fans claimed him immune. That is gone. He now will be seen as a weasel trying to escape the searchlight. Not by all, of course, not by his die-hard fans. But by quite some who voted for him not by conviction, but to prevent Clinton.
The principle message of the court is clear. He has to hand over the demanded data. No arguiong about that. Only frmaölities will allow him to delay further.
Together with a public's already sharpened look at him, this will influence a certain share of possible voters. Quite some of the old voting for him last timel will not vote fopr him a gain. Many blacks who did not vote last time, this time will vote - against him. Many people seeing his totall and murderous mismanagement fo the vorus crisis, will call him off. Then the many smaller issues ans stunts he pulled over the past years. And now this court ruling. And his niece'S book. And Bolton's farewell letter in book format.
Its not the single one thing (except the virus maybe, since it made him now having American blood on his hands thta he could have prevented, but refused to). Its the effect of it all coming together.
I can only hope the Dems and/or Biden don't do something stupid again. best would be they get locked in a room in the basement and are let again out not before election day is over and the win is safe.
I think Trump cannot win anymore by his own power. But the Dems still can loose it for him.
Mr Quatro
07-09-20, 12:14 PM
So Trump wins on blocking access to his financial records.
As expected, SCOTUS punted once again sending both cases (from the NY DA and Congress) back to the lower Courts for further litigation.
What this means is that once the lower courts rule and then the Appeal courts and the SCOTUS once again, the november election will be long past.
not sure what you mean by that, Trump has always refused to release his tax returns and his voters don't seem to care.
Democrats wanted to have access to the returns to release damaging info before the election, now they will not be able to.
They will be able to get the info eventually after november, but once the election is over, whether Trump wins or loses, it will be academic.
Trump has another small problem with NY, which use to be his home state before he switched to Florida, in the legality of how you spend non-profit funds that were destined for other reason than the ones they were used for.
In this case Trump used the non-profit funds for himself, but after check finding (just now) I find that problem has been solved by paying a 2 million dollar fine
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/nyregion/trump-foundation-lawsuit-attorney-general.html
PS the article wants a subscription :oops:
and after finding that out I find that Washington, DC is also suing Trump for mis-use of non profit funds.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/01/22/DC-sues-Trump-committee-for-using-non-profit-funds-for-inauguration/5681579709567/
Jan. 22 (UPI) -- The attorney general of Washington, D.C., said Wednesday his office is suing President Donald Trump's inaugural committee and other companies for spending non-profit funds at a Trump-owned hotel to celebrate his inauguration three years ago.
Attorney General Karl Racine said the committee sought to "enrich the Trump family" by spending the non-profit funds -- even overpaying to use facilities at the Trump International Hotel in Washington.
Wait Trumps legal problems aren't over even if he wins the WH again (which I think he will) I still think Trump will give up the WH to VP Mike Pence, but I can only guess why.
Correct me if I am wrong ... Isn't it true that a sitting president can't be indicted for a crime while he is in office?
So he would need VP Pence to pardon him and he might need the entire next four years to keep doing that lol
https://www.salon.com/2020/07/08/trump-friends-and-family-walk-away-with-millions-in-small-business-bailout-funds_partner/
Businesses tied to President Donald Trump's family and associates stand to receive as much as $21 million in government loans designed to shore up payroll expenses for companies struggling amid the coronavirus pandemic, according to federal data released Monday.
A hydroponic lettuce farm backed by Trump's eldest son, Donald Jr., applied for at least $150,000 in Small Business Administration funding. Albert Hazzouri, a dentist frequently spotted at Mar-a-Lago, asked for a similar amount. A hospital run by Maria Ryan, a close associate of Trump lawyer and former mayor Rudy Giuliani, requested more than $5 million. Several companies connected to the president's son-in-law and White House adviser, Jared Kushner, could get upward of $6 million.
So he would need VP Pence to pardon him and he might need the entire next four years to keep doing that lol
President can only pardon federal crimes, Trump would still need to face any possible state charges. Which all makes me think he will try to stay in office as long as possible.
And again those of my friends who dislike Mr. Trump are more or less convinced that he is a Al Capone when it comes to these tax papers.
This makes me wonder - Why !?
Why is it that a person who dislike a politicians are convinced s/he have hidden intentions when it comes to this politicians private economy or other private matters.
Of course those who support him, say there's nothing there that can trap him.
Markus
This makes me wonder - Why !?
Why is it that a person who dislike a politicians are convinced s/he have hidden intentions when it comes to this politicians private economy or other private matters.
Two reasons:
1) Trump has fought for three and a half years against the release of his tax information. Someone with nothing to hide wouldn't do that especially since it has been a tradition of sorts for every new president to have publicly released that information.
2) Trump's business dealings have been under scrutiny for years even before he became the president.
Just remember that the worst these tax returns can be for Trump is embarrassing. Something like he didn't donate to charity etc. Obviously the IRS would have already acted if there were any indications of tax fraud or illegal activities.
I think Trump keeps his returns private solely because it drives the Dems crazy. I'll bet if they are ever are published it will turn out to be a big nothing burger like every other so called "smoking gun" they have conjured up.
Skybird
07-09-20, 07:21 PM
And again those of my friends who dislike Mr. Trump are more or less convinced that he is a Al Capone when it comes to these tax papers.
This makes me wonder - Why !?
Why is it that a person who dislike a politicians are convinced s/he have hidden intentions when it comes to this politicians private economy or other private matters.
Maybe because he ran bancrupt five times in his life and was sued over 500 times for - I cut it short here and summarize it - generally fraudulent business behaviour and not paying bills, before becoming president.
He is no big deal maker, he never was, that is just the claim of an imposter. He just is an incompetent looser who had the luck to have been born into a rich family and who had the bad luck to have had this father, he knows nothing about anything and hides it behind habitual lying since all his life. Narcissist that he is he probably believes his own lies the moment he presses them out of his mouth, else he could not bear his rotten ego.
Sociopath, his niece calls him, and she is a psychologist. Psychopath, I called him, and I too was psychologist. Look it up what it means: sociopath, psychopath, its not that much different. Then you know why I and others always assume the worst in him. These are people that you never want to let your sights off. There is no known therapy for these personality disorders. These people are dangerous, and unscrupulous, and do not understand the concepts of mercy, compassion, empathy. The understanding of these terms and the ability to experience these qualities, simply is not given in them. They do not know moral rights and wrongs, thus they have no scruples, and do not hesitate to use, abuse, manipulate, hurt, even kill others. They feel nothing when doing that. Its to them as if you break an egg to make an omlette. Are you sorry for the egg? Do you admire its beautiful form, the wonderful concept of evolution that has formed this idea of "egg", and what a tiny life can come from it? Hardly. You want your omlette. You break the egg. You do not care. It does not even come to your mind. The egg is only there to give you the omplette you want. Full stop.
Such people are the most lonely people in the world, for them only themseleves exist and nobody else. Their ego has expanded such that it defines the horizon, the outer rims of their existence and all cosmos, that there could be somethign beyond it, outside it, is beyond imagination for them. They just do not know what loneliness means as an emotion, feeling, thats why they do not care for it, hardly even perceive it as such.
Bilge_Rat
07-10-20, 04:39 AM
Just remember that the worst these tax returns can be for Trump is embarrassing. Something like he didn't donate to charity etc. Obviously the IRS would have already acted if there were any indications of tax fraud or illegal activities.
exactly.
Trump's opponents are clutching at straws.The IRS has all his returns and financial statements. If there was anything illegal, they would have already acted.
Even the NY DA investigation is obviously political. There is nothing illegal in deducting legit business expenses, no matter how they try to dress it up.
Friends I do NOT defend Mr. Trump
It's nothing but a wondering about people's "expertise" about the politicians they dislike.
I have FB-friends who can, by looking at a person face, say if this person have commit a crime and what type of crime.
Or at a politicians and say this person is not a good choice.
I'm amazed
Yes even I have wondered why he is so stubborn in refusing deliver his tax papers.
Markus
Mr Quatro
07-10-20, 11:35 AM
exactly.
Trump's opponents are clutching at straws.The IRS has all his returns and financial statements. If there was anything illegal, they would have already acted.
Even the NY DA investigation is obviously political. There is nothing illegal in deducting legit business expenses, no matter how they try to dress it up.
Trump is probably embarrassed that he lost a billion dollars and didn't have to pay any taxes :yep:
https://i.imgur.com/hAaQBPh.jpg
em2nought
07-11-20, 12:13 AM
https://i.imgur.com/hAaQBPh.jpg
I'd like to see her in black leather at those press conferences. :D <3 <3 <3
Skybird
07-11-20, 05:24 AM
Donald plays a round of Tropico again. "Lie for me, and I suspend the law for you - roger, Roger?" Who said there is no honour amongst cronies.
Mr Quatro
07-11-20, 11:48 AM
Come on man ... we all make mistakes just that Trump makes more than the usual POTUS :D
Skybird
07-11-20, 02:12 PM
Abuse of power, nepotism, bending the law, suspending court decisions due to personal interests, giving in to conflict of interests, hindering the law and its enforcement, corruption, are no "mistakes", but crimes. ;) And in Trump's case: a sign for his dysfunctional personality and mutilated character.
What we see is the policy-making of somebody who sees people like Putin or Xi as models for himself that he envies and tries to follow as much as he can push - if not overcome - the limits.
I can not foresee the furture I can however foresee that most of you will either be happy or depressed Nov. 21 2020.
Markus
Skybird
07-11-20, 05:28 PM
I can not foresee the furture I can however foresee that most of you will either be happy or depressed Nov. 21 2020.
Markus
I hope I will be both! :03: Thats better than being only depressed.
I hope I will be both! :03: Thats better than being only depressed.
And if Mr. Trump should win a second term in the White house, will you then be happy ?
Markus
Skybird
07-11-20, 11:00 PM
No, then i will be depressed. And if Trump looses, I will be glad - and sad that now they will get Biden. ;)
Biden is no good choice. But he is better than the alternative.
New election slogan:
Vote for Trump and make Skybird sad!
Onkel Neal
07-12-20, 06:34 PM
No, then i will be depressed. And if Trump looses, I will be glad - and sad that now they will get Biden. ;)
Biden is no good choice. But he is better than the alternative.
The problem is, as much as Trump is an expert doofus, if Biden wins the election, he picks the next SC justice, he will lay down for the Democrats to further dismantle the US economy and culture of self-reliance, and push us deeper in the hole. I guess one way of looking at a Biden win as a glass half-full, the coming civil war will just get here faster, so we can get it over with. I don't look forward to it but no sense in dragging it out. I'm really tired of all the whining and screeching.
The problem is, as much as Trump is an expert doofus, if Biden wins the election, he picks the next SC justice, he will lay down for the Democrats to further dismantle the US economy and culture of self-reliance, and push us deeper in the hole. I guess one way of looking at a Biden win as a glass half-full, the coming civil war will just get here faster, so we can get it over with. I don't look forward to it but no sense in dragging it out. I'm really tired of all the whining and screeching.
Neal, if the government is handing out 3-6 Trillion worth of $1,100 stimulus checks- who do you think is going to pay for it? :yep:
Mexico? I doubt that but Canada should start feeling nervous. :o Meanwhile, one of our Senators in Iowa is running for re-election on a platform of "tax relief". :haha: :har:
em2nought
07-12-20, 11:19 PM
New election slogan:
Vote for Trump and make Skybird sad!
If Trump loses, who the hell is Skybird going to be able to rail against? He's gonna feel no sense of purpose anymore. :D
Skybird
07-13-20, 08:24 AM
I love it! The US election now is about - me...!! Thats quite an achievement if you think of it, isn't it?!:yeah:
Mr Quatro
07-13-20, 09:05 AM
I love it! The US election now is about - me...!! Thats quite an achievement if you think of it, isn't it?!:yeah:
As Skybird thinks so does the world ... we are amazed at what the world thinks of a democracy that only has two (2) choices Joe Biden or Donald Trump to lead us on to victory.
Which one will produce less evil? :hmmm:
Onkel Neal
07-13-20, 09:15 AM
Neal, if the government is handing out 3-6 Trillion worth of $1,100 stimulus checks- who do you think is going to pay for it? :yep:
Mexico? I doubt that but Canada should start feeling nervous. :o Meanwhile, one of our Senators in Iowa is running for re-election on a platform of "tax relief". :haha: :har:
I dunno, how is Venezuela paying for theirs?
Call them the Deep State, the Military Industrial Complex, the Establishment or just "The Man" the real choice in November is to either continue to stymie them by keeping Trump in there mixing it up or put them back into power by electing Biden.
Buddahaid
07-13-20, 10:41 PM
I disagree. Trump is a swamp of a different stripe, more of a bog actually, or at least smells like a bog from having his head up his ass for so long.
Interesting resignation letter from New York Times editor Bari Weiss who just quit the Grey Lady:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bari-weiss-resignation-letter-ny-times
A couple excerpts:
But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism, and the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society—have not been learned. Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.
The paper of record is, more and more, the record of those living in a distant galaxy, one whose concerns are profoundly removed from the lives of most people. This is a galaxy in which, to choose just a few recent examples, the Soviet space program is lauded for its “diversity”; the doxxing of teenagers in the name of justice is condoned; and the worst caste systems in human history includes the United States alongside Nazi Germany.
All this bodes ill, especially for independent-minded young writers and editors paying close attention to what they’ll have to do to advance in their careers. Rule One: Speak your mind at your own peril. Rule Two: Never risk commissioning a story that goes against the narrative. Rule Three: Never believe an editor or publisher who urges you to go against the grain. Eventually, the publisher will cave to the mob, the editor will get fired or reassigned, and you’ll be hung out to dry.
AVGWarhawk
07-14-20, 05:58 PM
Neal, if the government is handing out 3-6 Trillion worth of $1,100 stimulus checks- who do you think is going to pay for it? :yep:
Mexico? I doubt that but Canada should start feeling nervous. :o Meanwhile, one of our Senators in Iowa is running for re-election on a platform of "tax relief". :haha: :har:
Ah, the money is borrowed from China. :haha::o
Onkel Neal
07-14-20, 07:07 PM
Interesting resignation letter from New York Times editor Bari Weiss who just quit the Grey Lady:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bari-weiss-resignation-letter-ny-times
A couple excerpts:
Yeah, that's how it is with the woke lefties, they even eat their own if they don't stay in line. Kinda belongs more in the Ricky Gervais tho... :hmmm:
Yeah, that's how it is with the woke lefties, they even eat their own if they don't stay in line. Kinda belongs more in the Ricky Gervais tho... :hmmm:It's the exact same with the right.
As for Bari Weiss... well, turns out she only dislikes viewpoint intolerance when it bites her.
Here's an article from 2018 telling how Weiss did the exact same thing to others she now accuses NYT of doing to her.
NYT’s Bari Weiss Falsely Denies Her Years of Attacks on the Academic Freedom of Arab Scholars Who Criticize Israel (https://theintercept.com/2018/03/08/the-nyts-bari-weiss-falsely-denies-her-years-of-attacks-on-the-academic-freedom-of-arab-scholars-who-criticize-israel/)
Bilge_Rat
07-15-20, 12:35 PM
If it was just one person, yes, it could be sour grapes, but everyone who reads the NY Times regularly (and I have been for the past 30 years) can see that it has given up any pretence of objectivity. It always had a liberal-Ivy league-Big Apple bias, but it did try to be the paper of record and tried to be objective. However since Trump was elected, it has given up all pretence of objectivity in its goal of making Trump a one-termer.
The only compliment you can give the NY Times is that it is not as bad as CNN. :ping:
Onkel Neal
07-15-20, 09:40 PM
As for Bari Weiss... well, turns out she only dislikes viewpoint intolerance when it bites her.
Here's an article from 2018 telling how Weiss did the exact same thing to others she now accuses NYT of doing to her.
NYT’s Bari Weiss Falsely Denies Her Years of Attacks on the Academic Freedom of Arab Scholars Who Criticize Israel (https://theintercept.com/2018/03/08/the-nyts-bari-weiss-falsely-denies-her-years-of-attacks-on-the-academic-freedom-of-arab-scholars-who-criticize-israel/)
That's the whole point, liberal hypocrisy.
As an AMERICAN Union construction worker, and traditionally democrat, the support for President Trump is overwhelming.
He represents the working people, as well as what our country was founded upon.......
the Constitution.
I say NO to the new world order.
As an AMERICAN Union construction worker, and traditionally democrat, the support for President Trump is overwhelming.
He represents the working people, as well as what our country was founded upon.......
the Constitution.
I say NO to the new world order.
:salute:
Down with globalism and the would be tyrants that promote it.
Skybird
07-17-20, 07:29 AM
He represents the working people, as well as what our country was founded upon.......
the Constitution.
Did i ever mention that actually I am a billionaire? At least as much as Trump represents the working people and the constitution?
Take care that you do not end up has one piece on his role of toilet paper. One is better off not wanting to be that. Really.
u crank
07-17-20, 08:10 AM
Well it would seem that in the United States and perhaps other countries you can have a billionare for a president or you can have one who was helped into office by billionaires.
I wonder what the difference is?
Skybird
07-17-20, 08:20 AM
A good variety show is about good prestigiditation, not about the conviction of that magic exists for real. Only the little kids in the audience may believe the latter.
Mr Quatro
07-17-20, 08:59 AM
Well it would seem that in the United States and perhaps other countries you can have a billionaire for a president or you can have one who was helped into office by billionaires.
I wonder what the difference is?
The odd thing is that these billionaires are on both sides :hmmm:
It's a battle for what we think :yep:
Skybird
07-17-20, 09:23 AM
https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iGXirWG8T4jQ/v0/1000x-1.jpg
Trottel. And so it degenerates further and further.
As if Ivanka Trump's recent attempt of a "Start new!" campaign was not already embarassing and cynical enough.
Whats next? State Department making commercials for condoms and baby pampers? Wouldn't that be kind of self-contradicting? I bet they will chose just one of the two.
BTW. I hate canned beans. That makes it twice as unforgivable this time.
u crank
07-17-20, 10:45 AM
^^^
Do you have a clue what this is about?
Skybird
07-17-20, 10:59 AM
^^^
Do you have a clue what this is about?
Yeah, the media are all over it, even here. Goya first gave a favour by praising Trump beyond the ridiculous, was then boycotted by consumers, and Trump now returns it by advertising Goya canned food. Its called favoritism.
Ivanka Trump did it before, too. Just that she is not as relevant as she wants to be, thats why the talk about her advertising is not as loud. Her campaign "Start something new" is somethign different. The public backfire echoed even over the Atlantic. Bad taste is one of the more flowery descriptions. Some ethics watchdog also bit her.
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/07/15/11/ivanka.jpg
It seems to be in the family. Must be bad genes. His son recently released a book in his own publishing, and saved himself the fee for a lector. He better shouldn't have, already on the title there is a grammatical error, and I read that the rest of the book is ripe with overlooked errors as well.
Catfish
07-17-20, 11:30 AM
Is this really true?
Ivanka and Potus: Sell Goya
Republicans: It is only fake news
Leftists: Laughing
Trump followers: Disgusting, it is fake news
Potus: Still sells Goya
Republicans: Let's not talk about it and blame something on Biden
Trump followers: Ok it is not fake ..must be GENIUS! How clever he is.
Rest of the world: Facepalm
u crank
07-17-20, 11:56 AM
Yeah, the media are all over it, even here. Goya first gave a favour by praising Trump beyond the ridiculous, was then boycotted by consumers, and Trump now returns it by advertising Goya canned food. Its called favoritism.
Apparently not. The guy's name is not Goya it's Robert Unanue and he is the CEO of Goya Foods.
.. by praising Trump beyond the ridiculous
The offending words are ...
Today, it gives me great honor, and by the way, we’re all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like President Trump, who is a builder, and that’s what my grandfather did. He came to this country to build, to grow, to prosper. We have an incredible builder, and we pray. We pray for our leadership, our president, and we pray for our country that we will continue to prosper and to grow.
Seems pretty normal to me. Oh wait, he said something nice about the OrangeManBad. That must be it.
Meanwhile back in 2012 Michele Obama as part of her Let's Move! initiative, partnering with the same Robert Unanue to promote one of her causes. Same guy. Same company. Different result.
Of course this is a picture perfect example of the toxic cancel culture that has risen on the American Left. If you dare disagree with us we will destroy you. It should be noted that Mr. Unanue is a Latino American which of course makes his sin even worse. A none white American saying something nice about his President.
So Skybird some questions for you. Do you think that Mr. Unanue should be able to speak his mind freely in America? And do you think he should be punished for voicing his opinion? And more importantly will this kind of political reprisal make America a better place?
skidman
07-17-20, 12:03 PM
“Free speech works both ways. Goya Foods CEO is free to support a bigoted president who said an American judge can’t do his job because he’s 'Mexican', who treats Puerto Rico like trash, and who tries to deport Dreamers. We’re free to leave his products on the shelves.”
Julián Castro
Yeah, the media are all over it, even here. Goya first gave a favour by praising Trump beyond the ridiculous, was then boycotted by consumers, and Trump now returns it by advertising Goya canned food. Its called favoritism.
How do you see anything at all though those blue lenses? Let me explain it to you and the other foreigners here:
The Goya CEO made some polite comments about POTUS Trump after being invited to the White House for a business conference.
The same Goya CEO also made some polite comments about POTUS Obama when last invited to the White House for a business conference but apparently without the drama.
Making polite comments about ones host used to be a standard thing to do in western culture but hateful Mad Dog Commie Democrats are trying to inflict the Cancel Culture on anyone who doesn't toe their party line so they are calling for a boycott of Goya products. It's not going to work as Goya products are hugely popular with our large Latin-American population and while you may not like beans, they do a lot and they don't care to participate in this latest SJW venture.
Patriotic Republicans respond to this rash Dem move by calling for Americans of all ethnic backgrounds to support Goya, not only by purchasing their products but also to buy extra in order to donate to local food pantry's and stick it to the Commie Democrats, a program that is already quite successful both in terms of supplying food pantries and driving leftists and forum trolls even more insane.
Win win.
u crank
07-17-20, 12:12 PM
Ivanka and Potus: Sell Goya
Republicans: It is only fake news
Leftists: Laughing
Trump followers: Disgusting, it is fake news
Potus: Still sells Goya
Republicans: Let's not talk about it and blame something on Biden
Trump followers: Ok it is not fake ..must be GENIUS! How clever he is.
Rest of the world: Facepalm
Nice summation. Only you left out the most important detail. Latino American business man says something nice about his President and the Left loses its mind and calls for a boycott of said company which employs 4000 people world wide. Ivanka and Potus are not selling anything. They are pushing back against the Left's hair on fire cancel culture. I'll ask you the same questions I asked Skybird.
My sister:
Who decide, who shall be the President ?
Me:
The American voters
My sister:
Yes I understand that, but Hillary got 1-2 million more votes, so why did Trump win.
Me:
This has to do with the American voting system and they way USA is constructed(politically).
Me continuing:
Remember each state is in a way independent and in a Presidential election you could say there's an election in the election-each state have an election where the voters decide who they like to be their President(Rep or Dem).
The candidate who gets most vote in a state gets depending on state size and how many who live in this state a certain numbers of Electors.
My sister:
Who have decided it should be Joe-Joe Biden who shall be the Presidential candidate for the Democrats.
Me:
About a year before the Presidential election in Nov. The opposition party(Rep or Dem) hold several election meeting where all the Rep/Dem candidate campaigning for being their Presidential candidate-This is done until there is only one left-In this case Joe Biden(Dem).
(Hope I didn't tell here something totally wrong thing)
Markus
Skybird
07-17-20, 12:53 PM
Apparently not. The guy's name is not Goya it's Robert Unanue and he is the CEO of Goya Foods.
The offending words are ...
Seems pretty normal to me. Oh wait, he said something nice about the OrangeManBad. That must be it.
Meanwhile back in 2012 Michele Obama as part of her Let's Move! initiative, partnering with the same Robert Unanue to promote one of her causes. Same guy. Same company. Different result.
Of course this is a picture perfect example of the toxic cancel culture that has risen on the American Left. If you dare disagree with us we will destroy you. It should be noted that Mr. Unanue is a Latino American which of course makes his sin even worse. A none white American saying something nice about his President.
So Skybird some questions for you. Do you think that Mr. Unanue should be able to speak his mind freely in America? And do you think he should be punished for voicing his opinion? And more importantly will this kind of political reprisal make America a better place?
If that is what you claim to sound "pretty normal", I hope I am lightyears away when you one day describe something as not so normal anymore.
em2nought
07-17-20, 01:09 PM
Goya's CEO also used the "pray" word quite often. Communists aren't too keen on that either. :03:
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