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Mr Quatro

11-25-20, 03:51 PM

pardon: [verb] to absolve from the consequences of a fault or crime. to allow (an offense) to pass without punishment. The granting of a pardon to a person who has committed a crime or who has been convicted of a crime is an act of clemency, which forgives the wrongdoer and restores the person's Civil Rights.

The thing about all those stories telling Trump pardoning himself makes me wonder what exactly has he been found guilty of to be pardoned in the first place? Just wondering if anyone has looked into that yet. Keep in mind too impeachment is not a criminal charge.

So I ask what is he supposed to absolving himself of?

Whoo! The fix is in ... now we know why Trump said it's okay to start the transfer of power :D

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-says-he-won-t-order-an-investigation-of-trump-president-s-legal-troubles-remain/ar-BB1bmfVY?share=jetpack-whatsapp&nb=1%20&ocid=BingNews

Biden says he won't order an investigation of Trump, president's legal troubles remain

President-elect Joe Biden downplayed the prospect of pursuing investigations of President Donald Trump after he leaves office.
"I will not do what this president does and use the Justice Department as my vehicle to insist that something happened," Biden told NBC News' Lester Holt in an interview Tuesday.

August

11-25-20, 03:54 PM

Well excuse me for not being smarter than you are :oops:

Then who can change the rules?

Sorry I didn't mean it to come off that way. They used to teach this stuff in high school but that was in the last century so it might as well been in the stone age. I just rechecked and there are still two ways to do that and both have to be ratified by 3/4ths of the States before they can be enacted.

Article V of the United States Constitution outlines basic procedures for constitutional amendment.

Congress may submit a proposed constitutional amendment to the states, if the proposed amendment language is approved by a two-thirds vote of both houses.
Congress must call a convention for proposing amendments upon application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the states (i.e., 34 of 50 states).
Amendments proposed by Congress or convention become valiid only when ratified by the legislatures of, or conventions in, three-fourths of the states (i.e., 38 of 50 states).

https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/amending-the-u-s-constitution.aspx

mapuc

11-25-20, 03:57 PM

What message? That the Democrats are adept at manufacturing fake votes in their city enclaves? What about the 74 million of us that voted for Trump? Is the clear message that we should react the same way the Democrats did in 2016?

You were a little faster than me. I was thinking on posting a continuation to my last post.

.....It's also important to look at how many voters Trump has gotten so far almost 74 million votes, which is about 11 million more than he got in 2016.

The elected politician incl. Biden can of course neglect these 74 million American voters.
Because these 74 million votes is also a signal to the American society and the elected politicians.

Markus

August

11-25-20, 03:59 PM

No evidence but spin.

Yeah just spin because a few thousand signed affidavits aren't "evidence". :roll:

Because you know affidavits have never been considered evidence in just about every court case that has ever been tried.

Buddahaid

11-25-20, 04:29 PM

Not enough to allow any of the lawsuits so far but hey, keep trying.

mapuc

11-25-20, 04:47 PM

Yeah just spin because a few thousand signed affidavits aren't "evidence". :roll:

Because you know affidavits have never been considered evidence in just about every court case that has ever been tried.

Are you convince that there has been voter fraud in every or almost every swing state where Biden won ?

Markus

Wolferz

11-25-20, 05:53 PM

Raspberries on the whole freaking mess...

Made me not want to to risk my health by going to the polls.

So now Biden is slidin
And Trump is a chump. (nothing new there)

farts in the wind.

Gerald

11-25-20, 07:30 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday pardoned his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-trump-flynn/trump-pardons-former-adviser-flynn-who-pleaded-guilty-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN28536B

Buddahaid

11-25-20, 07:38 PM

That in itself, is telling me Trump has grudgingly accepted defeat, but still keeping all his options open none the less, and why not, it's his to call.

Jimbuna

11-26-20, 06:39 AM

The US Supreme Court has temporarily blocked New York from enforcing attendance limits at places of worship in areas hit hard by coronavirus.

In a 5-4 vote, the court ruled that the state's congregational cap violated rights to religious freedom.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55069040

I wonder which way Amy Coney Barrett voted :hmmm:

August

11-26-20, 08:34 AM

I wonder which way Amy Coney Barrett voted :hmmm:

God forbid a US Supreme Court Justice would support constitutionally protected religious freedom right? :hmmm:

Jimbuna

11-26-20, 08:42 AM

God forbid a US Supreme Court Justice would support constitutionally protected religious freedom right? :hmmm:

I'm certainly no expert on the subject matter but I was thinking along those lines...yet four of them did.

Skybird

11-26-20, 08:46 AM

Quote:
The US Supreme Court has temporarily blocked New York from enforcing attendance limits at places of worship in areas hit hard by coronavirus.

In a 5-4 vote, the court ruled that the state's congregational cap violated rights to religious freedom.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55069040I wonder which way Amy Coney Barrett voted :hmmm:
Thats insane. Spreading a pandemic in the name of religious cults?
Sounds almost like biological weapons used for religious war. But they copy a pattern by islamic fundamentalists there, who also claim free social and communal and political rides on the grounds of their religious faith.

Does the Surpreme Court know anything about "freedom FROM religion", and the prohibition of human sacrifices?

u crank

11-26-20, 09:19 AM

If Donald Trump dosen't do anything else on his way out his pardon of Michael Flynn will be enough. It will correct an unbelievable injustice perpetuated by the Obama administration.

Mr. Trump announced on Twitter Wednesday that he’d granted Mr. Flynn a full pardon. Liberals and the media are (as per their tedious usual) claiming the president stepped in to aid a corrupt crony. This has it exactly backward. The Flynn pardon was necessary—to correct a corrupt Federal Bureau of Investigation, a rogue special counsel, an unprincipled federal judge, and an embarrassingly complicit media.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-for-michael-flynn-11606349462?mod=djemalertNEWS

That’s the sad reality of the Flynn mess. In a better world, the Flynn case would have been dismissed with prejudice, an on-the-record censure of appalling FBI and Justice Department behavior. But that’s why the judge refused to do it. It had nothing to do with guilt or innocence—but rather reputation. We remain in the last gasps of Never Trump world, where people of power told themselves it was OK to break rules, norms, standards—even the law—in their quest to take the president down. To dismiss the Flynn case would have been to acknowledge that this behavior was wrong. And that would have been too painful, too embarrassing, too galling for the haters.

Rockstar

11-26-20, 10:42 AM

Does the Surpreme Court know anything about "freedom FROM religion", and the prohibition of human sacrifices?

I dont think the Supreme court is really concerned about being free from religion. I've only been in this country all my life but my guess is they're concerned about the First Amendment and the freedom OF religion.

Whats the difference between gathering to worship or doing what the E.U. and U.K. did by opening themselves up to tourism only to have their cases and death rate sky rocket to new heights? According to the European Union's own CDC numbers there were 4,484 new deaths in the Union since yesterday bringing the total too 307, 125. I find it amazing the BBC instead has a story about people wanting to gather at a church in the U.S.

August

11-26-20, 11:05 AM

I'm certainly no expert on the subject matter but I was thinking along those lines...yet four of them did.

You mean that four of them did not.

August

11-26-20, 12:41 PM

I love Gorsuch's opinion.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnurwvLWEAE4hSQ?format=png&name=small

Mr Quatro

11-26-20, 12:43 PM

I wonder which way Amy Coney Barrett voted :hmmm:

God forbid a US Supreme Court Justice would support constitutionally protected religious freedom right? :hmmm:

I'm certainly no expert on the subject matter but I was thinking along those lines...yet four of them did.

You mean that four of them did not.

Another sign on why Ruth Ginsburg died so suddenly right before the election so that Trump could insert Justice Amy (who certainly made a difference on this vote) for the right of the church to avoid the orders of the state. :yep:

August

11-26-20, 01:01 PM

Another sign on why Ruth Ginsburg died so suddenly right before the election so that Trump could insert Justice Amy (who certainly made a difference on this vote) for the right of the church to avoid the orders of the state. :yep:

Must have been Gods Will. :)

Seriously either we have "inalienable" rights that are constitutionally guaranteed or we do not. If they can be set aside at will by the state which commits "a long train of abuses and usurpation's, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

Jimbuna

11-26-20, 01:47 PM

You mean that four of them did not.

Yes, my mistook :oops:

Dowly

11-26-20, 01:56 PM

I'm all for letting them congregate, natural selection and all that. :yeah:

u crank

11-26-20, 02:27 PM

I'm all for letting them congregate, natural selection and all that. :yeah:

How nice. :nope:

Dowly

11-26-20, 02:56 PM

How nice. :nope:It's their choice and the consequences are theirs to bear. It's not like they haven't been warned.

u crank

11-26-20, 03:04 PM

It's their choice and the consequences are theirs to bear. It's not like they haven't been warned.

That is true. Much like thousands of people who gather in the streets and celebrate a presidential victory. I would have thought they would know better.

Catfish

11-26-20, 03:05 PM

Yes, but unfortunate for others too.
I remember that the daily new infection was close to one perday, when Trump threw one of his parties, and then there magically were 23 new infections, spreading further of course. Dumb.

Dowly

11-26-20, 03:18 PM

That is true. Much like thousands of people who gather in the streets and celebrate a presidential victory. I would have thought they would know better.There's a fairly big difference between being inside and being outside. I'm baffled as to how you don't seem to know this.

Churches Were Eager to Reopen. Now They Are Confronting Coronavirus Cases
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/coronavirus-churches-outbreaks.html

At least 42 coronavirus cases linked to multiday church event in Maine
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-maine-church-event-42-cases-linked/

More Than 200 COVID-19 Cases Linked to Fitchburg Church
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/more-than-200-covid-19-cases-linked-to-fitchburg-church/2225433/

Death toll rises from COVID-19 outbreak at Charlotte church. Cases linked to 3 counties
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article247290969.html

That's just the few first ones from the US that Google showed me.

eddie

11-26-20, 03:38 PM

That is true. Much like thousands of people who gather in the streets and celebrate a presidential victory. I would have thought they would know better.

Just like the Trump backers and their MAGA march. You would think they would know better too! :03:

u crank

11-26-20, 03:48 PM

Just like the Trump backers and their MAGA march. You would think they would know better too! :03:

That's right Eddie. They should all know better. Wouldn't you agree?

u crank

11-26-20, 04:01 PM

There's a fairly big difference between being inside and being outside. I'm baffled as to how you don't seem to know this.

Well I do know that. You seem to be have the mistaken idea that I am defending these people. Any of them. As for people being inside or outside I fail to see your point. If I'm standing close enough to you to touch you and I am infected and singing and cheering chances are you could be infected by my actions. Yes or no?

Catfish

11-26-20, 04:17 PM

Ok, then tell me who downplays this infection since early 2020 and still invites his followers not to wear masks, publicly, because it "takes away their freedom" and "throttles the economy", personally throwing parties with his family or while rallying without caring, with a death toll of more than 200,000 and rising.
Ah, Obama. Or Biden. Or Mickey Mouse. Who do you think you are fooling?

Dowly

11-26-20, 04:19 PM

As for people being inside or outside I fail to see your point. If I'm standing close enough to you to touch you and I am infected and singing and cheering chances are you could be infected by my actions. Yes or no?Yes, there's a chance. The point is how big that chance is. Your chances of getting infected inside, in a packed place are much higher than being outside in a crowd.

u crank

11-26-20, 04:39 PM

u crank

11-26-20, 04:42 PM

Yes, there's a chance. The point is how big that chance is. Your chances of getting infected inside, in a packed place are much higher than being outside in a crowd.

Probably true. I'm not defending being inside in a crowd. Are you defending being outside in a crowd?

eddie

11-26-20, 09:17 PM

That's right Eddie. They should all know better. Wouldn't you agree?

I sure would, no doubt about that at all!:)

Mr Quatro

11-26-20, 10:33 PM

See Trump's being a Mr Nice Guy :D

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-hell-leave-white-house-if-biden-declared-winner-of-electoral-college/ar-BB1boItW?li=BBnbfcL

President Trump on Thursday said he would leave the White House on Jan. 20 if the Electoral College declares President-elect Joe Biden the winner of the election, but indicated he was not prepared to concede defeat.

Dowly

11-27-20, 03:28 AM

Probably true. I'm not defending being inside in a crowd. Are you defending being outside in a crowd?Nope, not at all.

Jimbuna

11-27-20, 06:01 AM

Catfish

11-27-20, 08:16 AM

See Trump's being a Mr Nice Guy :D [...]
"He can still win" :D

Skybird

11-27-20, 08:32 AM

He does what he has done all his life: hiding former old lies of his in newer, bigger lies.

He installs himself as a martyr. And as a shadow president, a side president, a secondary president.

u crank

11-27-20, 09:15 AM

And as a shadow president, a side president, a secondary president.

What a perfect discription of Barack Obama. :03:

Jimbuna

11-28-20, 07:46 AM

A US federal appeals court has firmly rejected the Trump campaign's attempt to block President-elect Joe Biden from being declared winner in Pennsylvania.

The panel of three judges deemed the case was without merit, saying the Trump campaign had not made specific allegations or provided proof.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55109168

So, where next?

mapuc

11-28-20, 10:52 AM

Buddahaid

11-28-20, 10:54 AM

The kraken gets released.....
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/fc/7c/65fc7c73f205c1fdd8a1c4cc98135197.jpg

Catfish

11-28-20, 03:20 PM

That's an Architheutis with ten arms, not a Kraken :D
So he's been released in the US? :hmmm:

Rockstar

11-28-20, 03:39 PM

I have another question to my American friends.

It has something to do with a tradition.

In the end of a Presidential era the outgoing President use to pardoned a few hundred or thousand inmates or changes their verdict.

Yesterday a Danish newspaper had an article where they wrote that Trump had pardoned criminals, diseased and friends.

This is what one could expect from Trump. pardoned his friends.
A friend wrote as a comment.

Now I wonder has Obama, Clinton, Bush Jr done the same..pardoned some friends/colleague in the end of their Presidential era ?

Markus

I seem to recall you asking a similar question 4 years ago when Obama was pardoning people. I'm pretty sure I posted this link in response too. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemencyrecipients

It's lists by president, the names of people pardoned and crimes they committed. You can drill down the other links and see what policies allow such actions.

Crooks pardoning crooks :O: What do ya think? Could be a new reality TV show! :haha:

mapuc

11-28-20, 03:57 PM

I seem to recall you asking a similar question 4 years ago when Obama was pardoning people. I'm pretty sure I posted this link in response too. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clemencyrecipients

It's lists by president, the names of people pardoned and crimes they committed. You can drill down the other links and see what policies allow such actions.

Crooks pardoning crooks :O: What do ya think? Could be a new reality TV show! :haha:

Yes I did and your answer was, if I remember correctly:

It's not unusual an exiting President pardoned criminals in prison/change their verdict.

I have looked through the list of people being pardoned by Obama, but I can't see if some of them should have been friends or related to Obama.

Markus

Jimbuna

11-29-20, 06:33 AM

Canada has banned the export of some prescription medicines in order to prevent a shortage in the country.

The decision is in response to a US plan that would allow for drugs to be imported from Canada to make them cheaper for Americans.

Although prescription drug prices in Canada are higher than some nations, they are cheaper than the US.

A number of Canada's drug suppliers had warned that the plan, implemented by President Trump, would cause shortages.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55119428

I wonder if this is in response to Trumps recent 'AMERICA FIRST' rhetoric?

Mr Quatro

11-29-20, 02:54 PM

Man it's hard to give up ... I don't want to be a false prophet :oops:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-it-ll-be-hard-for-election-suits-to-reach-top-court/ar-BB1bt1TO?ocid=BingNews

Trump Says It’ll Be Hard For Election Suits to Reach Top Court

President Donald Trump acknowledged that the fight to overturn his re-election defeat “probably” won’t reach the Supreme Court, which had been the goal of his legal team.
“It’s very hard to get a case to the Supreme Court,” Trump said in a Fox News interview conducted by telephone from the presidential retreat at Camp David, Maryland. “I probably can’t get a case.”

Catfish

11-29-20, 02:57 PM

I wonder if this is in response to Trumps recent 'AMERICA FIRST' rhetoric?
"Recent"? :haha:

Skybird

11-29-20, 04:34 PM

Mr Quatro

11-29-20, 04:59 PM

Iz so anfär! :D

Say what you really think Sky :D

Cat got your tongue :o

u crank

11-29-20, 04:59 PM

This is a little spooky.

Kamala Harris
@KamalaHarris
·
Nov 12
Hope.
Unity.
Decency.
Truth.

These are the ideals that will guide a
@JoeBiden
-Harris administration.

From George Orwell’s Nineteen-Eighty-Four:

"Winston turned a switch and the voice sank somewhat, though the words were still distinguishable. The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely …

HOPE

UNITY

DECENCY

EMPATHY

TRUTH

EXPERTS

SCIENCE"

:03:

Dowly

11-29-20, 10:08 PM

Could you point where that is in 1984? I'm having hard time finding that part.

Winston turned a switch and the voice sank somewhat, though the words were still distinguishable. The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely. He moved over to the window: a smallish, frail figure, the meagreness of his body merely emphasized by the blue overalls which were the uniform of the party. His hair was very fair, his face naturally sanguine, his skin roughened by coarse soap and blunt razor blades and the cold of the winter that had just ended.

u crank

11-30-20, 06:17 AM

You are right. I got that from this article and should have checked it. And it was easily checked.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/28/reality-and-the-narrative/

The writer is quoting another guys tweet which was a misquote. Last time I read Orwell’s Nineteen-Eighty-Four I was in high school and that wasn't yesterday.:O:

In actual fact this quote ...

You chose hope, unity, decency, science, and, yes, truth.

..is from Harris's speech introducing Biden at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Delaware.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/07/932646213/harris-you-ushered-in-a-new-day-for-america

ET2SN

11-30-20, 06:37 AM

Maybe the first quote came the Russian translation of the book? :O:

Jimbuna

11-30-20, 07:39 AM

Not the best of starts.

US President-elect Joe Biden has fractured his foot while playing with one of his dogs, his doctor has said.

Mr Biden, 78, twisted his ankle on Saturday when he slipped while with Major, one of his two German shepherds.

The Democrat visited an orthopaedist in Newark, Delaware, a day later "out of an abundance of caution".

His personal physician, Kevin O'Connor, said initial x-rays did not show an "obvious fracture", but ordered a more detailed CT scan.

The subsequent scan found that Mr Biden had suffered "hairline fractures" of two small bones in the middle of his right foot, the doctor said.

"It is anticipated that he will likely require a walking boot for several weeks," Mr O'Connor said.

On Sunday, US President Donald Trump tweeted: "Get well soon!"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55127559

August

11-30-20, 12:15 PM

https://i.imgur.com/LIjFdEm.jpg

Skybird

11-30-20, 05:23 PM

Somebody crawls out of his hole again.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16753/muslim-brotherhood-came-out

Buddahaid

11-30-20, 11:22 PM

The Muslim Brotherhood is what, one hundred years old, and still influencing doctrine?

Von Due

12-01-20, 12:33 AM

A note on the Gatestone Institute linked to above
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gatestone-institute/

Skybird

12-01-20, 03:22 PM

^Does not matter. Check the story. I did. Found it verified in several sources. Gatestone however works out the simple core of the message.

-------------------------

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/01/politics/doug-ducey-donald-trump-arizona-voter-fraud-claims/index.html

Mr Quatro

12-01-20, 04:11 PM

Never give up ... very unusual place to find hope CNN (before the election)

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-cnn-admits-there-are-legal-constitutional-ways-trump-stay-office

Watch: CNN Admits There Are "Legal & Constitutional" Ways For Trump To Stay In Office

In a video released before the election but attracting fresh attention, CNN’s Fareed Zakaria explained the “legal and constitutional” case by which President Trump could stay in office even if he loses the election.

Explaining how the system worked, Zakaria said electors are determined by that state’s popular vote, but that this is “not a constitutional obligation.”

The host then outlined the exact scenario that happened on election day, with Trump leading on November 3rd but then mail-in ballots swinging the result for Biden, prompting a flurry of challenges and lawsuits.

“Taking account of the confusion, legislatures decide to choose the electors themselves,” said Zakaria before pointing out that eight out of nine key swing states have Republican legislatures.

“Because you see when Congress convenes on January 6 to tally the electors’ votes, there would be challenges to the legitimacy of some electors,” explained Zakaria.

This would prompt Congressional Republicans to argue that disputed states should not be counted, which would ensure Biden’s could not reach 270 electoral college votes.

We should know something is up in just a couple of weeks by December 14th when the electors are suppose to check in with the governor in each state.

Note if Trump wins by any other way they the voting process there will be riots like we have never seen. :yep:

mapuc

12-01-20, 04:30 PM

We have a saying here in Denmark
"Hope is the last thing that dies"

Seeing, hearing Trump via our news media and those of my FB friends who support him one may say they hold on to their hopes.

I can't see any chances for Trump continue as President.

Markus

Skybird

12-01-20, 05:04 PM

Never give up ... very unusual place to find hope CNN (before the election)

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-cnn-admits-there-are-legal-constitutional-ways-trump-stay-office

Watch: CNN Admits There Are "Legal & Constitutional" Ways For Trump To Stay In Office

We should know something is up in just a couple of weeks by December 14th when the electors are suppose to check in with the governor in each state.

Note if Trump wins by any other way they the voting process there will be riots like we have never seen. :yep:
I pointed out already some weeks ago that he may try to acchieve replacements within the electoral college with Trump-obeyong loyalists (I would not clal them Republicans any,more). He has tried/suggested that for a few states already, but the one I red about some days ago had a democratic governor not really befriending with the idea. So, such an easy self-runner as the man at CNN indicates, it porbbaly is not.

I would call it a coup d'etat anyway, since it would render the whole voting day completeley pointless and bypassed. And the Republican party as well as the Republican governors to whose states this may concern, would be well-advised to slam its foot on all brakes if Trump really tries this.

If this would go through, then we could write off the US indeed.

Skybird

12-01-20, 05:19 PM

Have they already announced the date for Barr's termination by the Trumpinator? :D

August

12-01-20, 06:00 PM

Barr appoints John Durham as special counsel to investigate further criminality in Russia inquiry

by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/author/jerry-dunleavy) |
| December 01, 2020 03:48 PM
| Updated Dec 01, 2020, 05:10 PM

Days before the November presidential election, Attorney General William Barr (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/william-barr) appointed U.S. Attorney John Durham (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/john-durham) to serve as a special counsel tasked with investigating any violations of law related to the inquiries conducted by the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane operation and, later, special counsel Robert Mueller’s team.
An order making Durham special counsel, which was revealed on Tuesday, provides the federal prosecutor further protection against the prospect of President-elect Joe Biden trying to shut down the criminal inquiry into the origins and conduct of the FBI's investigation. So far, the president-elect has not been asked about and has not said whether he would allow Durham's work to continue during his administration. It also remains to be seen how Biden will handle Durham’s selection as special counsel.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/barr-appoints-john-durham-as-special-counsel-to-investigate-further-criminality-in-russia-inquiry

u crank

12-01-20, 06:23 PM

I pointed out already some weeks ago that he may try to acchieve replacements within the electoral college with Trump-obeyong loyalists (I would not clal them Republicans any,more). He has tried/suggested that for a few states already, ...

Skybird you're going to get an ulcer.:D

It is not going to happen by simple mathmatics. Currently Biden has a lead of 306 to 232 electoral votes. That's 74 votes. Even if Trump could overturn the results in five states that he has alleged voter fraud, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and Georgia he would still be one vote shy. He would also have to get Nevada.

There is a better chance of you being kidknapped by aliens and told the secrets of the universe.:O:

August

12-01-20, 06:44 PM

There is a better chance of you being kidknapped by aliens and told the secrets of the universe.:O:

I'm guessing that the Aliens would quickly tire of his constant conspiracy theories and chuck him into the nearest black hole.

Mr Quatro

12-01-20, 07:10 PM

Skybird you're going to get an ulcer.:D

It is not going to happen by simple mathmatics. Currently Biden has a lead of 306 to 232 electoral votes. That's 74 votes. Even if Trump could overturn the results in five states that he has alleged voter fraud, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and Georgia he would still be one vote shy. He would also have to get Nevada.

There is a better chance of you being kidknapped by aliens and told the secrets of the universe.:O:

Your math is off u crank ... True Trump can't get to the 270 mark, but Trump only needs 38 electoral votes to defeat Biden to take him below the 270 which then triggers the automatic congress/senate voting rules of one per state.

The whole thing can be over without one bullet being being fired and all legal like too ... It wouldn't even have to go to the Supreme Court who can only rule on the constitutionality of the law anyway (they can't change the law)

It would in fact render the electoral voting rights act invalid for the next election or at least close the loopholes that the states governor can cause a miss-vote so to speak..

If 2020 was a slam bang year with surprises what will 2021 be? :o

u crank

12-01-20, 07:44 PM

Your math is off u crank ... True Trump can't get to the 270 mark, but Trump only needs 38 electoral votes to defeat Biden to take him below the 270 which then triggers the automatic congress/senate voting rules of one per state.

That is still three states. Highly unlikely.

Rockstar

12-01-20, 09:02 PM

The Muslim Brotherhood is what, one hundred years old, and still influencing doctrine?

I dont know about doctrine, but I think after having looked over our past associations and ambitions in the middle east its safe to say that if our government designated terrorist enemies are willing to become our competitors enemies then that makes them our policy makers friends while they remain our nations enemy.

Rockstar

12-02-20, 10:28 AM

Somebody crawls out of his hole again.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16753/muslim-brotherhood-came-out

From the article: "The Islamists are desperate to return to power in Egypt." I think this would be beneficial to them and the U.S. policy if the Muslim Brotherhood had our backing and ruled in Egypt like they attempted under the Obama/Biden administration.

China is investing heavily in Egypt and the Suez Canal and is intent on using Egypt as a stepping stone into the region. China has also built a very heavily fortified Navy base in Djibouti which would give them some control of the Straights of Aden. So even though the Muslim Brotherhood is perceived to be the enemy of my nation. It is also the enemy of my enemy and that makes them the friend of our policy makers even though they remain the enemy of the nation. :doh:

Anyway what I think it really boils down to is having the Muslim Brotherhood as a deterrent to China in Egypt and the Red Sea.

Skybird

12-02-20, 11:15 AM

"Mr. President, you have not condemned this action or this language. Senators, you have not condemned this action or this language."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH9FnY0qvNI

"We've seen no proof of voter fraud."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aatYoy6I7hY

In coming years, the brutalising of language by Trump and his raping of fact and truth will make sure a terrible harvest is to be brought in. The price for allowing him, will be paid, and in full.

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 12:35 PM

It will be interesting to learn of Trumps response, that is if he responds.

Buddahaid

12-02-20, 01:11 PM

The usual one. Fake news.

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 01:15 PM

No comment :03:

Skybird

12-02-20, 01:30 PM

It will be interesting to learn of Trumps response,
Why? Whats interesting in it? Why giving 5h!t for what falls out of his facial noise hatch that pollutes the accoustic environment and people's minds with diatribe, paranoia, lie and hate since years now? Why still giving him the benefit of doubt? Why still treating him respectfully as if he ever had deserved even just a tiny bit of respect, where by his record and shown character obviously does not? Why acting under the premisse of that one owes decent manners to somebody who kicks decent manners with his boot and drowns them with powerhungry poisonous tiriades several dozen times per day? Why still caring for the fraudulent word forming of a mind that is being counted by newspapers for the numbers of lies it has produced in the past four years, and last time I checked they had it at thousands and thousands of lies?

Ah. Kadavergehorsam. Hunger for power. Career egoism.

I see.

There is too little feel of shame in this society. Thats why scum like this gets away with what it does.

Jimbuna

12-02-20, 01:55 PM

Buddahaid

12-02-20, 02:17 PM

Well then, shut up Mr. President, you're a contemptible lying charlatan.

Skybird

12-02-20, 03:38 PM

^ Well, currently or at least the last time I looked he was still POTUS of a country the UK are allied to :yep:

For all his rants and failings in many peoples opinions I steadfastly adhere to the doctrine instilled in me by my parents and the training I undertook as a LEO.....respect the position/rank even if you can't respect the individual.
You should think about it again then, me thinks. Just realise where it has led in case of the present example - or past historic examples.

There have to be limits. By all reason, there just have to be limits.

The respect of the rank has to end where the person holding that rank pushes beyond limits in abusing the rank.

Else you end up like Austria, Germany, and Hitler. There were many Wehrmacht officers who ticked exactly the same way: "Respect the rank, not the man. He is the Führer...! We owe obedience to him. Thats our honour, that we obey."

So, really, you may want to rethink about your attitude. I used a German word in my earlier post, Kadavergehorsam. Its difficult to explain what it means, literally translated it means dead body obedience, or cadaver obedience. It means a loyalty to higher authority that blind and unquestioning and totally uncritical that it follows that authority right into the doom and death without ever asking whether the authority is right in leading the way into this doom or that death. Total submission, blind trust, complete lack of critical reflection. All that dressed into a perverted code of honour.

My advice is different than doing that ^. My advice: be more choosey regarding whom you pay such immense loads of unconditional respect just because the man has a rank. If you respect the rank, use according standards to judge who deserve it and who not. If you let every dirtbag hold that rank and make it possible by your obedience, you respect that rank NOT, and hold it in no esteem, obviously.

Because every rank gets ruined in the end, if if is claimed by people making too much abuse of it, or are too incompetent to fill it, and do too much damage due to this. And Trump must be one of the biggest abusers there ever were in America's history. And he is not yet done with America.

Rockstar

12-02-20, 04:06 PM

Eritis insuperabiles, si fueritis inseparabiles. Explosum est illud diverbium: Divide, & impera, cum radix & vertex imperii in obedientium consensu rata sunt.

https://brewminate.com/divide-et-impera-a-history-of-divide-and-rule/

Skybird

12-02-20, 04:16 PM

And here comes the Old Chinese Wisdoms... :D

Catfish

12-02-20, 04:25 PM

Rockstar is not wrong, you know. China tries to, Russia does, but only Trump is really effective in dividing the american people :03:

mapuc

12-02-20, 05:00 PM

Rockstar is not wrong, you know. China tries to, Russia does, but only Trump is really effective in dividing the american people :03:

Mr. Trump isn't behind this dividing.
The question is has his domestic politics widen this dividing or did it make it better-lesser dividing.

Furthermore.
I have this feeling that a group of those who voted Biden, isn't interested in politics but had a similar attitude as our friend Skybird had. Trump has to be removed at any cost. So they voted Biden just to get Trump out.

Markus

Skybird

12-02-20, 05:04 PM

Jim, meanwhile you got your answer:

How has Trump reacted?

President Trump responded by retweeting a video of Mr Sterling's speech, but without referencing the concerns over threats of violence.

Instead he doubled down on his allegations of election fraud, saying: "Rigged election. Show signatures and envelopes. Expose the massive voter fraud in Georgia."

Rigged Election. Show signatures and envelopes. Expose the massive voter fraud in Georgia. What is Secretary of State and @BrianKempGA (https://twitter.com/BrianKempGA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) afraid of. They know what we’ll find!!! https://t.co/Km7tRm2s1A
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 2, 2020 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1333975991518187521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites.View original tweet on Twitter (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1333975991518187521)

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/129C2/production/_115762267_248893dd-d170-4391-9d8c-d265e78aec70.jpg

Before and since, he has fired off many more tweets on the same subject, all without credible evidence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55153918

Dirt.

August

12-02-20, 05:36 PM

Why? Whats interesting in it? Why giving 5h!t

Apparently it's interesting enough that you can't stop ranting about it.

Rockstar

12-02-20, 06:28 PM

Rockstar is not wrong, you know. China tries to, Russia does, but only Trump is really effective in dividing the american people :03:

NSFW - Language

The first minute and 20 seconds is where he hits the nail on the head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgps85scy1g&list=PLUTagin6ivV8lGDooRHD8h6xctg8UXeHW&index=4 :D

Mr Quatro

12-02-20, 06:38 PM

Apparently it's interesting enough that you can't stop ranting about it.

Probably a waste of time, but I wonder if Sky would care to make a list of the other people Sky can't stand :hmmm:

August

12-02-20, 07:05 PM

Mr Quatro. Be careful what you wish for!

Meanwhile:

This Election Stinks
Is something rotten in Denmark?

by R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr

I have been on the fence. Ever since the election on November 3, I have been on the fence. I am prepared to accept the will of the people, and only in the election of 1960 was there evidence of a presidential election being stolen by either party. Then Richard Nixon refused to demand a recall. He explained that demanding a recall was divisive for the country. He has been reviled ever since by the Democrats. They are not only poor losers but also poor winners.
So here I have been sitting on the fence ever since the votes came in on the evening of November 3 or 4 or even 5. Who knows precisely when the election was over? Those votes arriving late can take days to be counted, possibly years.
At any rate, they now seem to have put Joe Biden ahead of President Donald Trump. I was about to accept the voice of the people. Sleepy Joe would be the winner, and I could at least enjoy the laughs he would provide for his four years in the White House. Or perhaps it would be three years in the White House. Or maybe only one year. Joe does not appear to be in the best of health these days, and his reliance upon ice cream for his sugar surge is not very reassuring. Now he is planning to enter the White House with his ankle in a cast. The decline has already set in.

Yet over the past weekend Professor Paul Kengor’s study of the Pennsylvania results has changed my mind about fence-sitting. Here is one of Professor Kengor’s findings. At a hearing in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on November 25, an expert testified to the Pennsylvania Senate Majority Committee that a batch of ballots recorded 570,000 votes for Joe Biden and only 3,200 votes for Donald. That would be 99.4 percent of the votes went to Biden, and with that batch he won the election. The batch came in, by the way, late. That finding knocked me off the fence. I am now calling for an investigation of the election. Are any more members of the press asking for an investigation? On Sunday morning Maria Bartiromo asked for one after interviewing an aggrieved Donald Trump. Doubtless the admirable Tucker Carlson, Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin will too. The reset of the press remains mum. They are not curious about the incriminating 570,000 votes.
And how long did the batch take to be counted? According to the aforementioned “expert,” a former combat officer with a background in military information and electronic warfare named Ret. Col. Phil Waldren, the “spike anomaly” did not take very long to appear. He claims it took something like 90 minutes.
Professor Kengor has information from other battleground states too. On November 4 in Michigan at roughly 6:30 a.m., 141,258 votes came in for Biden, and only 5,968 for Trump. In Wisconsin at 3:42 a.m., also on November 4, 143,379 votes came in for Biden and a puny 25,163 for Trump. On the same day in Georgia at 1:34 a.m., 136,155 votes came in for Biden, and only 29,115 votes came in for Trump. All of this information we have thanks to the diligence of Russell Ramsland of Allied Security Systems.
Surely there is more evidence of vote fraud that will not be kept secret for long. Moreover, if this fraud is as great as Kengor seems to show, it is bound to be found in the years to come. For now, it appears that the 2020 election is going to be the most controversial election in American history. Whether I climb back up atop the fence or remain down here among the doubters, it does not matter.
There is now a suspicion surrounding the vote count in the 2020 election. It will get worse. Not only that, but the condition of Joe Biden’s health will get worse too. Now it is a broken ankle. Next will come high blood pressure or heart failure or coronavirus. Soon will come Kamala Harris. This election will prove to be a disaster whatever I do on the fence.

https://spectator.org/election-results-pennsylvania/

Buddahaid

12-02-20, 07:09 PM

Okay, now I'm making a list.....:arrgh!:

Skybird

12-02-20, 07:58 PM

I have seven different lists for seven different days of the week, and they look all the same. ;)

Jimbuna

12-03-20, 06:12 AM

You should think about it again then, me thinks. Just realise where it has led in case of the present example - or past historic examples.

There have to be limits. By all reason, there just have to be limits.

The respect of the rank has to end where the person holding that rank pushes beyond limits in abusing the rank.

Else you end up like Austria, Germany, and Hitler. There were many Wehrmacht officers who ticked exactly the same way: "Respect the rank, not the man. He is the Führer...! We owe obedience to him. Thats our honour, that we obey."

So, really, you may want to rethink about your attitude. I used a German word in my earlier post, Kadavergehorsam. Its difficult to explain what it means, literally translated it means dead body obedience, or cadaver obedience. It means a loyalty to higher authority that blind and unquestioning and totally uncritical that it follows that authority right into the doom and death without ever asking whether the authority is right in leading the way into this doom or that death. Total submission, blind trust, complete lack of critical reflection. All that dressed into a perverted code of honour.

My advice is different than doing that ^. My advice: be more choosey regarding whom you pay such immense loads of unconditional respect just because the man has a rank. If you respect the rank, use according standards to judge who deserve it and who not. If you let every dirtbag hold that rank and make it possible by your obedience, you respect that rank NOT, and hold it in no esteem, obviously.

Because every rank gets ruined in the end, if if is claimed by people making too much abuse of it, or are too incompetent to fill it, and do too much damage due to this. And Trump must be one of the biggest abusers there ever were in America's history. And he is not yet done with America.

I think you're going a little OTT in your comparison. Else you end up like Austria, Germany, and Hitler. There were many Wehrmacht officers who ticked exactly the same way: "Respect the rank, not the man. He is the Führer...! We owe obedience to him. Thats our honour, that we obey."

I've not alluded to any of that but merely a fundamental principle I hold dear in life for the reasons I have already stated.

Trump has not done me or those in my life I care about any harm and if I'm being totally honest here I would say he's actually been a source of entertainment in some ways but who amongst us couldn't say the same of a great many world leaders and politicians around the world?

I'll stick to my principles thanks, I'm quite happy with that.

Skybird

12-03-20, 10:34 AM

We must disagree there. Because my principle is that trust is not mandatory, and never should be given by rule only, but that it must be deserved. It is an empirically validated confidence in the man, based on his performance record in the past. Trust isnothing that just can be claimed, like a formality. It is no formality, it must be earned.

Same with respect.

To give trust in advance and in absence of such past records, is not trust, but a gamble: one takes a risk and hopes that fate will not take revenge for it, that one gets away with playing risky.

Therefore, when deciding whether I trust somebody and respect somebody or not, his ranks and clothings play absolutely no role for me. I can respect somebody who has no name and hold no rank and wears no crown, and I can disrespect somebody who wears a polished uniform and holds a long title.

The deed is what counts. The consequences caused by somebody, count. Politics is filled with apes wearing fancy dresses and being too full of themselves. And the world pays heavy tolls and prices for that. Again, and again, and again. Thats a dominant motive in history. Its discouraging.

Jimbuna

12-03-20, 12:35 PM

You must be a pure joy at discussions in the office christmas party :):03:

Skybird

12-03-20, 05:26 PM

Vulcans are no fun. Thats why Romulan ale was invented. :D

-------------------------------

Maximising the damage and enjoying the looks and sights of scorched earth:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/trump-potential-purge-job-protections-career-government-employees/index.html

Catfish

12-04-20, 02:39 AM

Jimbuna

12-04-20, 06:35 AM

What about the killing of unarmed civilians or other war crime ordered by a superior? Respect the rank?

I know you're better than that Kai so I'll do us both a favour and not lower my standards to even answer that.

Jimbuna

12-04-20, 06:36 AM

Meanwhile....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGZZuP_gx4g

mapuc

12-04-20, 11:35 AM

He and his supporters are really hanging on to a thin line of hope.

I say after Jan. 21 the President is Joe Biden.

Markus

Aktungbby

12-04-20, 12:28 PM

He and his supporters are really hanging on to a thin line of hope.

I say after Jan. 21 the President is Joe Biden.

MarkusOh Good! We can start to make ORANGE great again!:O:https://pre00.deviantart.net/28bc/th/pre/i/2017/112/4/8/orange_guy_by_dillonwheaton-db6sof4.jpg

Catfish

12-04-20, 01:10 PM

I know you're better than that Kai so I'll do us both a favour and not lower my standards to even answer that.
Sorry for being OT in this thread. I do not want to attack you, but since this (LINK) (https://de.reuters.com/article/us-australia-defence/australian-special-forces-allegedly-killed-39-unarmed-afghans-report-idUSKBN27Y32J) and what happened in all those wars i would really like to know what to do in such a situation today.
I mean how can a young man - turned soldier voluntarily or by force - know whether what his superior demands from him violates some international law? It could also be a reprisal for something the soldier does not know about, or a war crime.
For what i read he has to obey, and the superior may get a reprimand or be court-martialed later, but this does not help in the moment "it" is happening. This is not easy, or a question that can be evaded.
edit from my miltary days it was self evident to do what is ordered for "you do not see the whole situation".

Jimbuna

12-04-20, 01:29 PM

I believe all actions of any kind have consequences in one shape or form, sometimes multiples of.

During my service years I was always aware of the above and if ordered to carry out a certain action it was my responsibility whether to question said order or not.

If you blindly follow orders without reasoning it out yourself before performing said action then you take the potential consequences that may ensue.

Perhaps not the best analogy but the best I can think of at the present time.....take out an insurance policy and the insurer takes on the risk. Don't take out an insurance policy and you take on the risk.

AVGWarhawk

12-04-20, 01:53 PM

Rockstar is not wrong, you know. China tries to, Russia does, but only Trump is really effective in dividing the american people :03:

Obama is the most divisive. Trump election in 2016 is a direct result of Obama. Hillary was just a helping hand and dislike in her own right.

Buddahaid

12-04-20, 02:12 PM

Obama, right. Can't have a black president and of course Trump had nothing to do with that and the birther BS.

Mr Quatro

12-04-20, 03:03 PM

Mr Quatro

12-04-20, 03:06 PM

He and his supporters are really hanging on to a thin line of hope.

I say after Jan. 21 the President is Joe Biden.

Markus

Suppose to be noon or as close to noon as possible on January 20th, but all legal battles have not been exhausted yet.

Please Lord I don't mind being a nobody nothing, but still I don't think you told me I know your told me two years ago that Trump would win and then turn the WH over to VP Pence :yep:

I'm ready to admit Trump lost, but only when it happens :arrgh!:

August

12-04-20, 03:23 PM

Obama, right. Can't have a black president and of course Trump had nothing to do with that and the birther BS.

The only people i've ever heard who expressed opposition to a black president were Democrat luminaries such as Klan Leader and Biden idol Robert Bird.

https://www.populistwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Biden-Byrd.jpg

skidman

12-04-20, 03:35 PM

And the same stupid propaganda lies again. You won't believe me, I know, but maybe you believe the international news organization:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-byrd-eulogy-biden-kkk-grand-idUSKBN26S2EE

Social media users have been sharing content online that claims Democratic Presidential nominee Joe Biden eulogized Robert Byrd, asserting he was the grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). This claim is partly false. Though various prominent politicians eulogized Byrd at his funeral, the senator was never the grand wizard of the KKK and he has acknowledged and apologized for his membership during his youth.

August

12-04-20, 03:44 PM

And the same stupid propaganda lies again. You won't believe me, I know, but maybe you believe the international news organization:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-byrd-eulogy-biden-kkk-grand-idUSKBN26S2EE

Sorry Charlie, I didn't say that he was a grand wizard, I said he was a leader. I don't remember what his stupid klan title was but it was a leadership position. Prove me wrong. Not that it should matter given that he was a member of the KLU KLUX KLAN! That's not enough?

BTW what you just did skidman is a common democrat media tactic, and a pretty rotten one at that. You seize on some inaccurate minor detail and use it to reject an entire otherwise quite valid argument. Except this time you played the game without actually reading what I posted and are now hung on your own petard.

Shame on you and shame on Joe Biden for Eulogizing him.

AVGWarhawk

12-04-20, 04:07 PM

Obama, right. Can't have a black president and of course Trump had nothing to do with that and the birther BS.

"Former President Barack Obama thinks more black men voted for President Donald Trump this year because they’re “susceptible” to a “macho style” candidate." Kind of a put down to black men? You tell me.

Trump is not apologist that Obama is. America first for Trump. Obama, I'm not sure what he wanted first. For me it was 8 years of figuring it out on the fly, lay low and don't rock the boat.

Birther BS ranks right up there with Trump needs to show his taxes.

IMPEACH 45! Year after year of aggressively going after Trump. Now Biden want to heal and come together. Is he serious or delusional? Seriously delusional.

August

12-04-20, 04:25 PM

If Biden does get into the Oval Office he won't be there long. He's already making half jokes about inventing a fake illness and resigning if he gets into a policy disagreement with his Veep.

skidman

12-04-20, 04:44 PM

Sorry Charlie, I didn't say that he was a grand wizard, I said he was a leader. [...] Not that it should matter given that he was a member of the KLU KLUX KLAN! That's not enough?

The name is skidman. Don't start the name calling again. Byrd has repeatedly distanced himself from his Klan activity:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized for a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

Not good enough for you? Well I bet it would be good enough had Trump Eulogized him.

Catfish

12-04-20, 05:14 PM

[...] I'm ready to admit Trump lost, but only when it happens :arrgh!:
You mean only when Trump admits it? He never will :D

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

August

12-04-20, 05:25 PM

Not good enough for you?

No it's not and wouldn't be if he were a repub either.

Well I believe it would be good enough had Trump Eulogized him.

Believe what you want. I don't think the image of life long racists like Byrd can be magically rehabilitated just because one of his acolytes is running for high office.

Dowly

12-05-20, 02:35 AM

I'll just repeat what I said to you six months back when you last brought up that photo:

Quote him all you want, he left the KKK in 1952. Want to criticize him? Find something from after that.

Here, have some straws, you're running low
https://i.imgur.com/BV1WjMb.jpg

August

12-06-20, 10:26 AM

There's No Stopping America's Political Realignment

Josh Hammer , Newsweek opinion editor
On 12/4/20 at 8:00 AM EST

With a month in the rearview mirror since November's presidential election, we now have sufficient perspective to offer some broad conclusions about the state and nature of our politics.
This election confirmed and crystallized many already-ascendant political trends. Partisans of multiculturalism and the Orwellian "anti-racism" movement suggest an America increasingly balkanized along racial lines, but the emerging reality is quite a bit different. President Donald Trump, despite the Left's four-year effort to tar him as a uniquely menacing bigot, made substantial inroads among both young Black men and Hispanics. On the other hand, donor-class elites—Wall Street, Silicon Valley and corporate America writ large—broke overwhelmingly for the Democratic challenger, Joe Biden.
To those who, Rip Van Winkle-like, may have been asleep for the past 20 years, this may come as a bit of a surprise. And for those octogenarians who grew up in the New Deal era, the bemusement may be even more stark. Long, long gone are the days where the Democratic Party was the political vehicle for the downtrodden, oppressed "little guy" and the Republican Party the vehicle for conniving, Mr. Burns-esque plutocrats.
The reality is something roughly resembling the precise opposite. Today, it is the Democratic Party that disproportionately comprises and represents the college-educated elite—purveyors of the addlebrained "woke" catechism, dispensers of redistributionist noblesse oblige. And it is the Republican Party that disproportionately comprises and represents a multiethnic, non-college-educated working class—the Rust Belt and Sun Belt "deplorables" of Hillary Clinton's ire who, pace Barack Obama, still cling to their guns and their religion. Though it is true that exit polling data suggest Blacks and Hispanics did not quite mirror whites in breaking so sharply along educated lines, the conclusion is nonetheless apt that our partisan duopoly now fractures more along lines of class than along lines of race.
Elites are often puzzled by this. Democratic elites, prone to word-vomit the full litany of social justice "woke"-isms, are often in denial as to how unpopular "defund the police" and the Green New Deal are with the public. And Republican elites, stubbornly moored to laissez-faire fundamentalism and limited government as intrinsic ends, rather than instrumental means, are often in denial as to how miniscule the political constituency is for a corporatist right-liberalism detached from the day-to-day needs of the working class.
But there is no putting this genie back in the bottle. Our now-rapidly accelerating political realignment will not slow down any time soon.

https://www.newsweek.com/theres-no-stopping-americas-political-realignment-opinion-1552273

Skybird

12-06-20, 11:59 AM

Now this is alarming. It should be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/survey-who-won-election-republicans-congress/2020/12/04/1a1011f6-3650-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html

I never held the Republican party in high esteem and never considered them to be especially honest and respectable, I did not see them as something "better" than the Democrats. But this now shows how deep its politicans have sunk. And it is dangerous. Its a very dangerous path it is walking on.

A mix of cowardice and criminal energy.

Buddahaid

12-06-20, 12:31 PM

August

12-06-20, 12:40 PM

The GOP usual attempts to restrict voter rolls failed when mail in voting made voting easier. No surprise there. I feel so sorry the GOP's voter suppression tactics failed for once. Boo hoo hoo.

Perhaps the GOP needs to embrace making voting easier and motivating their base.

Either that or just cheat like the Democrats did. I'm sure given an overnight pause in the counting during the next election the GoP can find enough dead and non voting citizens they can manufacture ballots for to put them over the top.

Welcome to the new normal. :up:

Buddahaid

12-06-20, 12:50 PM

Sure, keep the bleating up but I'll believe that when there is verifiable proof instead of whining and crying.

August

12-06-20, 01:07 PM

Sure, keep the bleating up but I'll believe that when there is verifiable proof instead of whining and crying.

Eye witness testimony isn't good enough. Votes by dead people isn't good enough. Abnormal returns spikes isn't good enough. Piles of Biden only absentee votes magically appearing in the wee hours of the night when voting was supposed to be paused and more.

If none of that is good enough for you then I have to ask what is? What would constitute verifiable proof in your opinion?

skidman

12-06-20, 01:13 PM

Proof that would stand up in court?

u crank

12-06-20, 01:22 PM

Perhaps the GOP needs to embrace making voting easier and motivating their base.

Well in actual fact the GOP did just that. It was Trump who failed in that regard. Republicans did quite well down the ballot. The GOP gained eleven house seats and so far have only lost one Senate seat. The pollsters had them losing five or six. And in the state level the GOP made only gains and no losses.

If Trump wants to blame anyone he has to look at himself. In four years he made no attempt to modify his behavior and that probably was the reason he lost.

And things are looking good for the GOP in the near future. By not losing any state legislatures they are in the driver's seat for redistricting in those states they control after the 2020 census.

Buddahaid

12-06-20, 01:28 PM

Eye witness testimony isn't good enough. Votes by dead people isn't good enough. Abnormal returns spikes isn't good enough. Piles of Biden only absentee votes magically appearing in the wee hours of the night when voting was supposed to be paused and more.

If none of that is good enough for you then I have to ask what is? What would constitute verifiable proof in your opinion?

If proof is so overwhelming why can't all the wealth and legal expertice of the GOP prove anything? All that I see is hot air and innuendo without substance and mostly from the blowhard in chief.

August

12-06-20, 02:44 PM

Proof that would stand up in court?

Yeah, I guess you don't realize that here in the USofA sworn affidavits have "stood up in court" since forever. Maybe dutch law is different, not that it matters to this discussion.

If proof is so overwhelming why can't all the wealth and legal expertice of the GOP prove anything? All that I see is hot air and innuendo without substance and mostly from the blowhard in chief.

Circular argument.

GoP: "Here's proof"
Dems: "Where's the proof?"
GoP: "Right here, open your eyes."
Dems: (Ignores hundreds of sworn witness affidavits) "I don't see nothing! Where's the proof?

GoP: "Yeah right, So what about these video clips?"
Dems "What video clips?"
GoP: "The ones of your operatives card boarding up windows and clearing the room of legal observers before illegally counting ballots under cover of night, that amazingly nearly all went to your boy Crooked Joe."
Dems: "Why do you hate America?"

...and so it goes.

Just remember we ain't going away. Your side may get away with stealing the White House but Biden will never be a legitimate President in the eyes of half the country. Your side will have to deal with that and I hope that we'll be cooperating with you about as much as your side has with us these past 4 years which is not at all.

I wonder when the Biden Impeachment hearings will begin? Plenty of grist for that mill. Maybe in 2023 when the GoP wins back the house? Maybe sooner if the Obamaites decide to replace him with Harris once his dementia can no longer be concealed or ignored.

Buddahaid

12-06-20, 02:47 PM

More hot air.

Dowly

12-06-20, 03:15 PM

GoP: "Here's proof"
Dems: "Where's the proof?"
GoP: "Right here, open your eyes."
Dems: (Ignores hundreds of sworn witness affidavits) "I don't see nothing! Where's the proof?

GoP: "Yeah right, So what about these video clips?"
Dems "What video clips?"
GoP: "The ones of your operatives card boarding up windows and clearing the room of legal observers before illegally counting ballots under cover of night, that amazingly nearly all went to your boy Crooked Joe."
Dems: "Why do you hate America?"
What about all the republican judges who have ruled against Trump's voter fraud cases because there has been no evidence presented?

skidman

12-06-20, 03:24 PM

Yeah, I guess you don't realize that here in the USofA sworn affidavits have "stood up in court" since forever.

But none of the judges until now has bought into those sworn affidavits. There is no verdict in favor of the GOP, right?

mapuc

12-06-20, 03:27 PM

Voter fraud...Voter fraud...is the only thing I hear among my friends who support Trump

Has it ever crossed their mind that there are others who think Biden is a better choice.

Markus

August

12-06-20, 04:34 PM

Hey guys, I told you that the fix was in awhile back. I knew then like now that it's not going to be easy to overcome if it's possible at all. What i'm saying to you is that it doesn't matter. Half the country views the election as won by trickery. Budda may desperately call it hot air but we'll see if they can be dismissed so easily.

Buddahaid

12-06-20, 04:57 PM

Nothing desperate about it. The desperation seems to be firmly in the fraud camp.

Skybird

12-06-20, 05:30 PM

This will enter the history books as probably the biggest case of collective paranoia and hysteria so far recorded in post WW2 era.

Those many people following Trumps fiction - its a rocky future ahead for them:

Either the mendacious narration gets saved by covering it in ever bigger and bigger lies, which is only possible if Trumpanism regains power and control one day: it then need and will turn into ever growing authoritarianism to secure its own survival.

Or the house of cards collapses, and then millions and millions are left with shattered illusions about their dismantled idol, and they will need to look into the mirror and ask themselves what complete monkeys they have made of themselves and how much of the ideal and freedom of their nation they have helped to destroy - for nothing but a lie that made them drunbk and gave them the pseudoalcoholic poisoning of their lifetime.

I will withhold my compassion in both cases.

There is a third option: Trumpanists will not regain power, but will have successfully mined the institutions with their accomplices, hindering the other party to ever be able to govern constructively. Then it is everlasting agony and self-suffocation for the country.

Хорошо сыграна, Москва!

Buddahaid

12-06-20, 05:41 PM

Skybird

12-06-20, 05:55 PM

I don't agree. There is a lot of religious fervor behind Trump and that faith will not get shaken, only strengthened. I used to think humanity had grown up at last but I now see we are still beset with the crusades mentality of buying our way into heaven and fighting the enemies of Christ to ensure our personal salvation. I see another dark ages and inquisitions instead.
Which is pointing at the same direction I meant with option 1: growing authoritarianism.

I have predicted this as the most likely longterm developement of the American state in this century already many years ago, but when I said that the US is very vulnerable to fall to religiously fueled authoritariansim or fascism, everbody here laughed. Add the growing gap between haves and havenots, and the social tension this creates.

u crank

12-06-20, 06:11 PM

I have predicted this as the most likely longterm developement of the American state in this century already many years ago, but when I said that the US is very vulnerable to fall to religiously fueled authoritariansim or fascism, everbody here laughed.

Well sometimes you say funny stuff. :D

I don't think it will be religiously fueled or fascism but the authoritarian state is already here in many ways and is growing. And I am certain that those most interested in seeing this continue are those on the Left.

Rockstar

12-06-20, 06:18 PM

Authoritarism isn't dependent on a religion so no need to blame it. I think in our case authoritarianism was openly invited when fearful whiny little girls were demanding a daddy figure make it all go away. Its the American way to demand government do more then act surprised and complain as it becomes more involved in our lives.

Skybird

12-06-20, 06:23 PM

But I - anmd others - talk of religously fueled authoritarianism for sure. Militant abortion activists and crazy evangelicals there already are.

And look how many of them support Trump just because he poses with closed eyes and has a hum on his lips.

les green01

12-06-20, 06:29 PM

i voted for Trump both times i didn't always agree with him and the stuff he pull but that is what it is 2016 i did not like way dems took to the streets in protest if the reps does it this time they are no better june i had one foot in the grave was getting ready to jump in with the other foot from june to oct i didnt have no eye sight other words i dont give a crap who gets in whoever it is,is the President of the US,even if i didnt vote for the person still going be my president and i hope they do a damn good job of it

Rockstar

12-06-20, 08:05 PM

Buddahaid

12-06-20, 09:51 PM

Giuliani apparently has Covid-19.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55210243

Dowly

12-07-20, 03:21 AM

Giuliani apparently has Covid-19.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55210243
Oh no.

Anyways...

Catfish

12-07-20, 04:19 AM

Dangerously viral: How Trump, supporters spread false claims

https://apnews.com/article/how-trump-supporters-spread-false-claims-8cf62c15893c4e8878a471e99ee81459

u crank

12-07-20, 06:34 AM

Dangerously viral: How Trump, supporters spread false claims

https://apnews.com/article/how-trump-supporters-spread-false-claims-8cf62c15893c4e8878a471e99ee81459

Yes, you know false information is a big problem these days. I know people, close friends, who still believe that Donald Trump was elected because of Russian interference in the 2016 election. No amount of persuasion on my part can convince them otherwise. And it should be noted that they are avid watchers of CNN.

The cure for this of course is to gain as much knowledge as possible from all sources and then come to a rational conclusion.

Catfish

12-07-20, 06:51 AM

Your problem is that you weigh the information from a Fox News source as the same as one of CNN, or even AP, or Reuters. So you take 5 articles here and 5 there and build your mean percent of truth, but it does not work this way. The difference is that one is a credible source, and the other is not.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/19/fact-check-claim-voting-noncitizens-2020-election-unverified/6237115002/

Apart from this
"The Russian web brigades (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades), including Internet Research Agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency), became known in the late 2010s for the Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_ele ctions).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_farm#cite_note-guardian_russian_trollfarms-1) The Internet Research Agency has employed troll armies to spread propaganda, command Twitter trends, and sow fear and erode trust in American political and media institutions.[20]" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_farm#cite_note-20)

Of course one cannot excatly measure how successfull they were or are. But try they did.
And if you look at how fast the wildest accusations go viral (see my link above if you bothered to read) among the believers who want to believe this, it certainly had a bit of an effect.

What surprises me that it seems to have had not enough effect this time, but maybe
US watchdogs have been a bit more aggressive in deflecting foreign interference,
or this time Putin held back to evade a general uproar,
or Putin only held a grudge against the Clintons,
or Trump has not proved as lenient as Putin expected,
or the campaign was a failure, or last:
nothing of this has ever been true. Whatever.

What can be observed is:
Erosion of trust in American (and english and european) political and media institutions,
division within the people of a lot of democratic nations is higher than before, weakening them.

u crank

12-07-20, 07:52 AM

Your problem is that you weigh the information from a Fox News source as the same as one of CNN, or even AP, or Reuters. So you take 5 articles here and 5 there and build your mean percent of truth, but it does not work this way. The difference is that one is a credible source, and the other is not.

Sorry but I would have to disagree with that statement. I would have to ask a question. What shapes your opinion? Do you actually believe that CNN is a credible, unbiased source of news and political opinion? I don't and I don't believe that Fox News is either. Can you name a single on air personality at CNN who is a conservative? A single one who is not a anti-Trump, anti GOP progressive activist? It is not a news source but a propaganda outlet. And so is Fox.

And you will now see a 180 degree turn at that outlet from criticizing a president to praising every thing he does.

Of course one cannot excatly measure how successfull they were or are. But try they did.

Yes they did try. I'm not disputing that. How successful were they? The Russians paid for less than a half million dollars on Facebook ads. Hillary Clinton and her super-PACs raised a total of 1.2 billion dollars. Logic says we can measure how succsessfull the Russian interference was. It was negligible. Or do you believe that Clinton's campaign was that incompetent with that amount of money?

And if you look at how fast the wildest accusations go viral (see my link above if you bothered to read) among the believers who want to believe this, it certainly had a bit of an effect.

I did read the article and I don't think I said I disagree with it. Quite the opposite. My point is that there are people on both sides of the political divide who don't rely on facts but believe what they want to believe. And news outlets like CNN and Fox are there to help them with that belief.

I stopped watching cable news years ago. In fact we don't have a cable hookup in our house. The internet is a wonderful thing.

What can be observed is:
Erosion of trust in American (and english and european) political and media institutions,
division within the people of a lot of democratic nations is higher than before, weakening them.

In my opinion news outlets like Fox and CNN and the NYT will become more and more irrelevant. They are as the saying goes "preaching to the choir". People have a choice. Search the internet to find a least a semblance of the truth or rely on outlets like Vox or Breitbart to confirm their bias.

Cybermat47

12-07-20, 09:07 AM

Search the internet to find a least a semblance of the truth or rely on outlets like Vox or Breitbart to confirm their bias.

Probably the latter.

While I am looking in from the outside, it seems that a lot of Americans are in an echo chamber that turns them against each other to the point that Republicans and Democrats view each other as the ultimate enemy.

I mean, there’s plenty of media coverage of Democrats vandalising Trump signs and saying that Trump has small hands while Republicans accuse medical professionals of being part of some evil conspiracy for giving medical advice.

But I don’t recall seeing the American public react in any way to the fact that communist China is steadily growing into a new superpower with worldwide economic and military influence (including a military-run “space” base in South America: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-argentina-china-insight-idUSKCN1PP0I2) while remaining an oppressive and authoritarian police state.

I think effective proof of the echo chamber’s severity is the fact that so many conspiracy theorists blame the Democrats for the deadly virus that originated from China and has ravaged China’s biggest economic and military rival and its allies while China continues to expand its power (I don’t think China actually made it on purpose, but that would make a whole lot more sense).

mapuc

12-07-20, 09:24 AM

If a person disagree in what s/he hear or read...it's fake news

Markus

Cybermat47

12-07-20, 09:27 AM

If a person disagree in what s/he hear or read...it's fake news

Markus

That’s fake news :O:

Buddahaid

12-07-20, 01:19 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55220570

Nice going Trump. You are fomenting this kind of crap with your inflated ego and inflammatory twit storms. Who will get murdered first? Will you be held accountable then?

Rockstar

12-07-20, 01:38 PM

Michigan State Police Lt. Mike Shaw said state troopers and Detroit police responded shortly before 10 p.m. and found a couple dozen people had gathered on the sidewalk and were protesting outside of Benson's home. He said he believed there were some individuals openly carrying firearms.

The protesters eventually departed, he said.
"couple dozen" out of 332,000,000 people. Ferchrissakes can that even be counted as a statistic?

A non event, which only made it up to 'clickondetroit' local news. Most likely because it was 'believed' someone may have open carried. Of course headlines in major Europe outlets doing their damnedest to portray the idea this is some wide spread issue. Go figure.

Buddahaid

12-07-20, 04:42 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55224511

Third strike. Trump loses Georgia again. Time to act like an adult Mr. President.

Skybird

12-07-20, 05:21 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55224511

Third strike. Trump loses Georgia again. Time to act like an adult Mr. President.
But they cheated, didn't you know? Everybody knows. :salute:

eddie

12-07-20, 05:23 PM

Maybe Trump should stop tweeting and start packing,lol

Mr Quatro

12-07-20, 05:27 PM

Maybe Trump should stop tweeting and start packing,lol

Ha ha ... that's funny, but I still think that VP Pence is going to be the next President :up:

mapuc

12-07-20, 05:34 PM

But they cheated, didn't you know? Everybody knows. :salute:

You wrote not so long ago, that Mr. Trump was an Narcissist.

I read a little about this psychological condition.

From what I understand, they are not only ego centric but accuse others if something has gone wrong, it's never their fault.

Markus

Jimbuna

12-08-20, 07:42 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvV9GYv-XiM

Rockstar

12-08-20, 07:56 AM

You know what they say. "You can't fix crazy. you can only document it" :haha:

Catfish

12-08-20, 09:39 AM

“Trump was on the verge of revealing [aliens existence], but the aliens in the Galactic Federation are saying, ‘Wait, let people calm down first,‘” Eshed, who helmed Israel’s space security program from 1981 to 2010, reportedly said."

https://amp.news.com.au/technology/science/space/aliens-in-hiding-until-mankind-is-ready-says-exisraeli-space-head/news-story/1bca4557a4f1e012fb4f0531bcef6023

August

12-08-20, 01:55 PM

skidman

12-08-20, 04:47 PM

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41T0PDr8fsL.jpg

Skybird

12-08-20, 04:50 PM

You know what they say. "You can't fix crazy. you can only document it" :haha:
Or in the immortal words by Dieter Bohlen:

"Das Problem ist doch: mach einem Bekloppten mal klar, daß er bekloppt ist!"

:D

https://www.klatsch-tratsch.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/dieter-bohlen-3-900x471.jpg

Buddahaid

12-08-20, 04:54 PM

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41T0PDr8fsL.jpg

I think it's pretty strange without needing to go there.

Catfish

12-08-20, 05:35 PM

Or in the immortal words by Dieter Bohlen:

"Das Problem ist doch: mach einem Bekloppten mal klar, daß er bekloppt ist!"
:D

https://www.klatsch-tratsch.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/dieter-bohlen-3-900x471.jpg

Das hat das Dieterle gesagt? Manchmal hat dieser Vollidiot wohl doch recht :haha:

Jimbuna

12-09-20, 07:53 AM

AVGWarhawk

12-09-20, 09:08 AM

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41T0PDr8fsL.jpg

https://compote.slate.com/images/7bebd458-dfe9-4c35-beee-da10caaaa99b.jpg

Onkel Neal

12-09-20, 09:17 AM

Your problem is that you weigh the information from a Fox News source as the same as one of CNN,.

Your problem is you seem to think CNN is more impartial and less biased than Fox News.

Catfish

12-09-20, 09:48 AM

I am aware that CNN is more on the left, while Fox News is more to the right spectrum of opinions and politics. But nothing beats Fox' science denial.
I do not watch or read the opinion pieces regularly, but i stopped when it was about whether a volcano or burning fossil fuels on the moon had caused a climate change or something along that line.

Skybird

12-09-20, 11:42 AM

Neither lefty CNN nor radical right FOX.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/hassmails-und-morddrohungen-das-ist-dein-letzter-geburtstag-die-hetzjagd-der-trump-fans-in-den-usa-eskaliert_id_12752739.html

The seeds are growing. And they will consume the Republican party before the Democrats.

mapuc

12-09-20, 11:45 AM

When someone lose a love one, it can be hard for them to let go/accepting it.

I think these Trump supporters may have the same problems..they have difficult in accepting it.

Markus

Mr Quatro

12-09-20, 11:49 AM

The US Supreme Court has rejected a challenge against President-elect Joe Biden's victory in Pennsylvania.

Republicans in the state wanted to overturn certification of the result, but justices rejected the request in a one sentence ruling.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55243008

I thought it was over too, but never give up ... the great state of Texas has a hail Mary pass in progress we will know by 3pm est time tomorrow :yep:

Supreme Court Orders Reply To Texas AG Ken Paxton’s Election Lawsuit By 3PM Thursday

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/12/09/supreme-court-orders-reply-texas-election-lawsuit/

NORTH TEXAS (CBSDFW.COM) — The United States Supreme Court on Tuesday evening, December 8 ordered Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia to reply to a lawsuit filed this week by Attorney General of Texas Ken Paxton.

That lawsuit asked the Supreme Court to order state legislatures in Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia and Pennsylvania to displace “tainted” election results in those States and choose their own slate of electors.

The Supreme Court posted online Tuesday evening: “Response to the motion for leave to file a bill of complaint and to the motion for a preliminary injunction and temporary restraining order or, alternatively, for stay and administrative stay requested, due Thursday, December 10, by 3 pm.”

In other words the Supreme Court of the United States of America has said in effect to the named four swing states to show us why we should not hear this case brought to us by the state of Texas. :up:

August

12-09-20, 08:16 PM

What exactly does this person mean by "Soldiers,... make them pay"?

Should I take this as a threat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSBHDRkWiDE&feature=emb_logo

Mr Quatro

12-09-20, 08:18 PM

Tomorrow at 3pm this lawsuit will be shot down or it will be heard later by the Supreme Court ... with a vigorous defense by Senator Ted Cruz the stock market will do it's usual up and down response.

I'm not saying sell, because it's going to take a while to be decided, but still if the final decision voids the election ... there will be riots in the streets for the early Christmas shoppers :yep:

17 States Join Texas In General Election Supreme Court Lawsuit Against 4 Swing States

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/17-states-join-texas-in-general-election-supreme-court-lawsuit-against-4-swing-states/ar-BB1bNkWB

Seventeen states have now joined a Texas lawsuit filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton against the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. That lawsuit was filed directly with the United States Supreme Court on Monday, Dec. 7.

The suit asks the court to order the ‘defendant states’ legislatures to displace “tainted” election results in those states and choose their own slate of electors.

Paxton sued battleground states on behalf of the state of Texas saying the ‘defendant states’ made unconstitutional changes to their laws before the 2020 election.

He said those states tainted the integrity of the vote in Texas and all states.

Buddahaid

12-09-20, 08:33 PM

What exactly does this person mean by "Soldiers,... make them pay"?

Should I take this as a threat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSBHDRkWiDE&feature=emb_logo

Sounds like a threat but it's pretty vague.

Buddahaid

12-09-20, 08:34 PM

August

12-09-20, 08:44 PM

Sounds like a threat but it's pretty vague.

It's the part at the end that worries me. Her "soldiers", she uses that word and I don't think it's a mistake either, "know what to do"? They're going to make "them pay".

Vague or not this is a sitting member of congress saying this.

That sounds like it's non of the other states business to me.

Tell that to the Confederacy. :D

Mr Quatro

12-09-20, 08:50 PM

It's the part at the end that worries me. Her "soldiers", she uses that word and I don't think it's a mistake either, "know what to do"? They're going to make "them pay".

Vague or not this is a sitting member of congress saying this.

She said at the end, "You know what to do"

That is not vague ... she is black and she is in a high position and she is angry with the the white people that they call "Trumpers"

This is not vague for the people she is stirring up :o

Hopefully it will go away unless the news media shows it over and over again like they did the other white/black shooting problems. :yep:

Buddahaid

12-09-20, 09:05 PM

If you see a threat you can imagine a lot, but she says nothing that can't also be taken as anything else. It's a stupid thing to say regardless.

Mr Quatro

12-09-20, 09:43 PM

If you see a threat you can imagine a lot, but she says nothing that can't also be taken as anything else. It's a stupid thing to say regardless.

It can't possibly be in the viewing of what August posted video says :hmmm:

It must be in the comprehension :yep:

Skybird

12-10-20, 07:55 AM

Trump breaks the record to become the most prolific executioner presdient in modern US history, using his final days to harvest scores. Quite some of them being mentally retarded, handicapped, ill. He killed scores of healthy Americans who must not have died from Covid, now he seeks prey in prisons to please his fans in four years.

What a murderous sick pervert. Other presidents waged wars to kill this many people. Trump simply kills at home. And gets applauded.

Murderous. Sick. Perverted.

MaDef

12-10-20, 08:43 AM

Evil deserves no second chance.

Brandon Bernard was convicted in the 1999 kidnapping and murder of two youth ministers, Todd and Stacie Bagley.

Alfred Bourgeois is on death row for torturing and beating his two-year-old daughter to death. He is scheduled for execution on 11 December.

Lisa Montgomery strangled a pregnant woman in Missouri before cutting out and kidnapping the baby in 2004. She is scheduled for execution on 12 January.

Cory Johnson was convicted for the murder of seven people related to his involvement with the drug trade in Richmond, Virginia. His execution is scheduled for 14 January.

Dustin John Higgs was convicted in the 1996 kidnapping and murder of three young women in the Washington, DC area. Higgs is scheduled for execution on 15 January.

Moonlight

12-10-20, 09:18 AM

^ They deserve the death penalty me thinks, its a shame that our UK politicians don't give us brits the vote on a death penalty law, I'm positive it would get passed easily. If ever a UK political party came up with a death sentence law in their manifesto that would stir those muppets in Westminster into a frenzy, and I would not hesitate to give them my vote either. :D

Onkel Neal

12-10-20, 09:33 AM

Aktungbby

12-10-20, 11:46 AM

Evil deserves no second chance.

^ They deserve the death penalty me thinks, its a shame that our UK politicians don't give us brits the vote on a death penalty law, I'm positive it would get passed easily. If ever a UK political party came up with a death sentence law in their manifesto that would stir those muppets in Westminster into a frenzy, and I would not hesitate to give them my vote either. :DToo bad we can't bring back the British long-drop method!
Albert Pierrepoint employed Marwood's technique with great success. No messy sometimes fallible chemicals... and the noose is reusable! :yeah:

Skybird

12-10-20, 11:51 AM

:yeah: Criminals. Time to thin the herd.
Some proven to be mentally retarded. Biologically ill.

And why this rush at the end of his term - he has had four years to thin the herd.

Do not dare to think for just one second that he is about "law and order". He wants to influence public memory of him for his plans after January: first controlling the Republican party and its audience, and second: then the next election campaign in three years.

Oh my, just three years, and then all this braindead madness starts from new.

Its hopeless.

August

12-10-20, 09:05 PM

Some proven to be mentally retarded. Biologically ill.

And why this rush at the end of his term - he has had four years to thin the herd.

Maybe because the President of the United States does not set execution dates? Of course he doesn't convict or sentence criminals either but why let facts get in the way of your Schimpfe Kriegen, ja?

Onkel Neal

12-10-20, 10:48 PM

Maybe because the President of the United States does not set execution dates? Of course he doesn't convict or sentence criminals either but why let facts get in the way of your Schimpfe Kriegen, ja?

Don't you realize yet, all bad things in the world come from Trump. :shucks:

August

12-10-20, 11:19 PM

Don't you realize yet, all bad things in the world come from Trump. :shucks:

His haters are nearly religious in their fervor. Dogmatic even.

Buddahaid

12-11-20, 12:07 AM

And then there are the millions who don't hate him but think he's an idiot which he proves all too often.

Catfish

12-11-20, 02:42 AM

His lovers are nearly religious in their fervor. Dogmatic even.
Fixed this, i think it's called the Trump cult. "Do not listen to the media or reason, only believe in me. And give me your money. (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-election-defense-fund_n_5fac6e98c5b635e9de9ea07a?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKUzbT8bM-JQR9mWfWgHUcKyCu6O1w0BoueN0PK__2rP7Md49UMscOPR3YST-4f9C0gG9uisprIuSVWV6ktV4YfyuiOSVHhB6_PbTJm6mVK2mNr LkJv1auEbaeQBssomeMRsE69YNgrs-XwYEjD8z-xfxO-wGBAD7kxwZNTmp8AK)"

Skybird

12-11-20, 04:46 AM

I said he would push as far as to the Supreme Court, and his fans said no, he will leave decently, and now it is before the Supreme Court.

Its criminal, plain and simple, how the system is tried to get intentionally derailed. Anmd I do not want to hear anything about "Its their rights" and "Its in the rules", thats all blatant deflection and alibi rhetorics.

The court probably will not play ball (what desaster if it would, it would mean the end of the US as we have known it so far). But even then Trump will not stop.

What is being tried here is a nothing but a coup, and a overruling of an eleciton result. And this attempt tells a whole lot about the murky figures trying it.

My mum almost freaked out when seeing that the female carricature at Trumps side opened a tennis pavillon at the white house - with all the Covid drama around going on. Tells a lot about her, too.

I wish the whole band of scum would end up like king Midas (LINK (https://www.greeka.com/greece-myths/king-midas/)).

Skybird

12-11-20, 04:53 AM

And then there are the millions who don't hate him but think he's an idiot which he proves all too often.
An extremelydangerous and ra bid idiot who maximses damanmges that the US will suffewr from for many years to come and who has caused an awesome lot of death amongst the citizens he believed to have owned.

Just an idiot is somebody who usually just can be ignorred, becasue he is an idiot. Better not this one.

Cybermat47

12-11-20, 07:20 AM

His haters are nearly religious in their fervor. Dogmatic even.

I’ll admit that Trump has done good things, and that he’s hardly the worst leader in the world (Kim Jong-Un, Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, and various other dictators are worse).

I just think that the bad outweighs the good when it comes to him, especially when my country needs America to be a stable and reliable economic partner and military ally.

Skybird

12-11-20, 07:33 AM

An offence of the Supreme Court, an act of sabotaging the justice system, a new low for the party.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/von-trump-zu-biden/paxton-klagt-fuer-trump-eine-beleidigung-des-supreme-court-in-den-usa-17097210.html

One has expected such things only in backwardly banana states and Tropico-style dictatorships in the third world. Until now.

Onkel Neal

12-11-20, 08:01 AM

I’ll admit that Trump has done good things, and that he’s hardly the worst leader in the world (Kim Jong-Un, Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, and various other dictators are worse).

I just think that the bad outweighs the good when it comes to him, especially when my country needs America to be a stable and reliable economic partner and military ally.

See, that's the key to understanding the really strange effect Trump has on millions of people. He's most definitely not the worst leader, but in today's environment, people who are deranged by Trump don't see that, can't even hear that. They are rabid in their zeal. They don't spend 1 minute a month thinking about the real insidious nature of China or Russia's dictatorships and their effects on the stability of world peace. No sir, it's get their make-up on for the Trump is Evil theater or they don't leave the house.

Skybird

12-11-20, 08:16 AM

Catfish

12-11-20, 08:27 AM

[...] They don't spend 1 minute a month thinking about the real insidious nature of China or Russia's dictatorships and their effects on the stability of world peace. [...]
Well you see, the western benchmark of what to expect from a US president is somewhat higher, than what we expect from those other countries you mentioned ;)
Strangely enough, when it comes to China i agree with he who may not be named.

u crank

12-11-20, 08:54 AM

You people all act as if you were under a spell.

Oh my. Try breathing into a paper bag.:D

Time to stop hyperventilating about Trump and look at the next guy.

We know who Joe Biden is, but what is the Democratic Party in the post-Trump era? At the national level anyway, a combination of good and bad luck has allowed the party to avoid defining itself for nearly two decades.

https://outline.com/vydCyu

How did we get to a point where a guy like Joe Biden could be President?

Watching Trump campaign in 2016, it seemed clear that the Democrats’ decision to nominate Hillary Clinton, a politician with ties to Wall Street, the Iraq War, and (through her husband) NAFTA, created an opening Trump was anxious to exploit, even if insincerely.

Rather than address those potential issues, Democrats ran more or less entirely on Trump’s negatives. In 2016, Clinton spent nearly a billion dollars on advertising, about twice what Trump spent. One study even showed that 90 percent of Clinton’s anti-Trump ads were based on personality. They rarely mentioned policy. Then the Dems lost and spent the next four years insisting that (choose one) racism/Russia/the media was the reason, not any long-developing issue with voters that might have arisen over a decade of war and widening inequality.

By voting in yet another ex-senator with a pro-Iraq, pro-NAFTA vote, the party is essentially turning the clock back not to 2012 or 2008, but more like 2004.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

If the Democrats don’t remember how much failing to deliver real change cost them before, if they don’t soon find an identity more ambitious than not being Trump, they will find themselves right back where they were four years ago — vulnerable to revolts on both sides.

Jimbuna

12-11-20, 09:02 AM

The first of the executions has been carried out.

Death row inmate Brandon Bernard has been executed in Indiana after last-minute clemency pleas were rejected by the US Supreme Court.

Bernard, 40, was convicted of murder in 1999 when he was a teenager, and is the youngest offender to be executed by the federal government in nearly 70 years.

Bernard told the family of the couple he killed he was sorry, before dying by lethal injection on Thursday.

Four more executions are planned before the end of Donald Trump's presidency.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55261224

MaDef

12-11-20, 09:16 AM

The first of the executions has been carried out.

Karma

Buddahaid

12-11-20, 09:48 AM

See, that's the key to understanding the really strange effect Trump has on millions of people. He's most definitely not the worst leader, but in today's environment, people who are deranged by Trump don't see that, can't even hear that. They are rabid in their zeal. They don't spend 1 minute a month thinking about the real insidious nature of China or Russia's dictatorships and their effects on the stability of world peace. No sir, it's get their make-up on for the Trump is Evil theater or they don't leave the house.

I don't see that as a particularly good argument for Trump. He sucks but these guys suck more?

Moonlight

12-11-20, 10:05 AM

Rockstar

12-11-20, 10:24 AM

Maybe I do not focus on Trump's stabilising of world peace, but sure as hell I focus on the destabilising effect Trump has on the United States and its political and constitutional and legal system and its social community. ;) And that is something that some people underestimate and that Trump's fans - and not just them - systematically fade out.

You people all act as if you were under a spell. Its a collective euphoric mass delusion. There are historic precedences for this kind of political mass delusion. Such things never end well.

Here's the thing though you speak of destabilization in the United States. But the reality here is nothing in my life has been destabilized, I dont know anyone whose life has been destabilized nor do I know anyone who knows of anyone whose life has been destabilized because of Trump.

I was born when John F. Kennedy was president and to the best of my recollection for the last 59 years of life. It's has never really mattered who the president was. Life went on. What recently changed is a pandemic has swept the globe causing sickness, death, and leaving a whole economies in ruin. And contrary to the popular belief of all the nancy boys looking for a daddy to fix it. This was not the fault of any one man nor can any one man fix it.

To get rid of that itchy irritated feeling go change your pad you'll feel better.

Onkel Neal

12-11-20, 10:44 AM

Oh my. Try breathing into a paper bag.:D

Time to stop hyperventilating about Trump and look at the next guy.

.

He's incapable. The same frantic wiring that makes Trump who he is exists in his obsessive detractors. It's some kind of human nature thing, I guess.

I don't see that as a particularly good argument for Trump. He sucks but these guys suck more?

I am not making any arguement for Trump, no.

I'm merely pointing out the nuttiness of obsessing over him (especially to the umpteethn degree) when yes, there are much more serious issues.

"Steward, where is my dinner fork? This place setting is not right."

"Ma'am, I will go to the kitchen and fetch one. I apologize, I was distracted by the sound of an iceberg ripping through the hull."

mapuc

12-11-20, 11:57 AM

Biden won Trump beaten, was some of the headlines day after your election.

NO! Biden didn't beat Trump. It was against two opponent Trump got beaten

1. Corona
2. His behavior or lack of such

Markus

August

12-11-20, 12:08 PM

The only thing wrong with these executions is they are taking too bloody long to carry out, when the sentence is given they should have one appeal which should be inside of 6 months and if they lose it they should be executed on the next anniversary of the victims death, poetic justice me thinks. Your judicial system in the USA needs a bloody big overhaul on the timing of these executions me thinks.

This prick had over 20 years of life courtesy of your current justice system, that's a massive injustice to the victims families to start with.

Good Riddance you currant. :up:

I got to disagree.

Not because I have anything against the death penalty, I don't. There are plenty of crimes that are worth execution and reading the rap sheets of these latest ones it's obvious they certainly deserve a much harder exit than the government is conducting. But, I oppose shortening the appeals process because I doubt the governments ability to only execute the truly guilty. They have enormous power and they haven't always acted altruistically.

You can set a wrongly convicted man free but you can't UN-execute him.

A long appeals process gives the maximum opportunity for new evidence to be uncovered, for witnesses to come forward, for other perpetrators to be identified etc, and it almost guarantees that several fresh sets of eyes will take a look at the case so that injustices can be corrected before it's too late.

ET2SN

12-11-20, 02:03 PM

What should the penalty be if you commit sedition?
Firing squad or a two year term in the Congress?

:k_confused:

August

12-11-20, 02:09 PM

What should the penalty be if you commit sedition?
Firing squad or a two year term in the Congress?

:k_confused:

Some would say it depends on the politics.

ET2SN

12-11-20, 03:33 PM

Sedition isn't politics, sedition is wanting to destroy the nation. :yep:

Buddahaid

12-11-20, 04:55 PM

It's such a loaded term and always subject to the whims of who's in power.

Skybird

12-11-20, 05:12 PM

You people all act as if you were under a spell. Its a collective euphoric mass delusion.

I need to add: some people live blindly within their own country, and do not see and do not want to see what happens to dozens of millions of their so-called fellow citizens.

Well, that share is yours. We foreigners would not need to care and would have ignored you already - if your country would not lay so heavily on the rest of the world and affect everybody else, whether they want it or not.

You refuse to learn from historic examples in other countries, and that why you will once again live through them yourself.

Mr Quatro

12-11-20, 06:48 PM

The legal way to overturn the election has been blocked again by the Supreme Court :o

Obviously they didn't see any merit to the case :yep:

Monday is the last chance when the electoral college meets :yep:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/us/politics/supreme-court-election-texas.html

Supreme Court Rejects Texas Suit Seeking to Overturn Election

The suit, filed directly in the Supreme Court, sought to bar Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin from casting their electoral votes for Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Buddahaid

12-11-20, 06:57 PM

Pretty much what I said when the suit was brought up. It's not Texas's business.

Skybird

12-11-20, 07:21 PM

(LINK) The Texas lawsuit shows Republicans went from fighting Democrats to fighting democracy (LINK) (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/texas-lawsuit-shows-republicans-went-fighting-democrats-fighting-democracy-ncna1250918)

How can a U.S. president govern, let alone solve major problems, if one of our political parties is openly hostile to our entire political system?
(...)
Too many Republicans have gone from being anti-Democratic — that is to say, hostile to the liberal political party — to being anti-democratic — that is to say, hostile to the liberal political system and antagonistic to the idea that the will of the people should prevail — and unwilling to accept political defeat.

This trend represents an existential threat to our system.
Be warned America. Not because of me saying so. But because of what is going on in your lands.

ET2SN

12-11-20, 07:27 PM

It's such a loaded term and always subject to the whims of who's in power.

No, its sedition.

Its like blowing up a football stadium because you consider yourself to be a critic. That ain't how it works, Francis..

Buddahaid

12-11-20, 09:57 PM

Yes, it is.

Sedition is inciting revolt against a government, or monarch.

Monarchs can call anything sedition. Governments can make broad, or narrow, rulings.

ET2SN

12-11-20, 11:04 PM

But it doesn't change the definition or the attempt to destroy the country and the laws they swore an oath to defend.

As goofball as it is, its also very serious. There's no "equivalence" to this, no "yeah, but what about.." argument. This is an attempt to destroy the country at a time when we have a pandemic to deal with.

There's also no excuse that is valid. It isn't a joke, it isn't some goofball punching himself in the nuts to make the libtards cry. This is serious.

Buddahaid

12-12-20, 01:13 AM

It's not clear to me what you are calling sedition here. Please explain.

ET2SN

12-12-20, 01:50 AM

-A candidate refusing to accept the results of an election because he lost.

-That candidate's party ignoring the law and filing foolish law suits in an attempt to start a dictatorship.

Is been in the news, you should have heard about it. :03:

Jimbuna

12-12-20, 05:22 AM

So does this SCOTUS judgement bring an early end to the pantomime season?

Skybird

12-12-20, 07:11 AM

It's not clear to me what you are calling sedition here. Please explain.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2713039&postcount=11715
The author illustrates it quite well, the rest is illustrated by Trump himself and his demagogic agitation.

Skybird

12-12-20, 07:12 AM

So does this SCOTUS judgement bring an early end to the pantomime season?
Only in so far as a court judgement can heal a patient with a serious personality disorder.

Dowly

12-12-20, 08:30 AM

https://i.imgur.com/Ky0kVfT.png

Cybermat47

12-12-20, 09:19 AM

Trump was a Democrat in the 2000s, so can we still blame the Democrats for the ruling made by the Supreme Court justices appointed by Trump?

u crank

12-12-20, 10:09 AM

https://i.imgur.com/Ky0kVfT.png

Well I did laugh but then again everytime I see a picture of Hillary I laugh. Yes you could say that Trump is the big loser here but most experts had already agreed that the SCOTUS would come to that conclusion. The real winners here are the Federalist Society and Mitch McConnell. This decision by these three new Justices is the exact reason why those people wanted them on the bench. Justices who would make decisions based on the Constitution rather than political bias or social justice 'feelings'.

The person who should be the most concerned with those kinds of rulings is not Trump but a guy named Joe.

Mr Quatro

12-12-20, 10:17 AM

https://i.imgur.com/Ky0kVfT.png

God still has a plan ... if the Supreme Court had of voted in favor of Trump the early Christmas shoppers would've unleashed their anger on the big cities of America.

Cheaters never win ... someone somewhere has cheated ... the numbers will still be debated in the US Congress and the US Senate come the first part of next year.

Biden's inauguration is still in jeopardy :yep:

Buddahaid

12-12-20, 12:09 PM

God still has a plan ...

...Cheaters never win ... someone somewhere has cheated ... the numbers will still be debated in the US Congress and the US Senate come the first part of next year....

Looks like the "plan" is working then.:Kaleun_Wink:

Rockstar

12-12-20, 01:06 PM

5 Breathtaking Numbers Reveal The Unsettling Cost Of Stimulus

Rob Berger Advisor Contributor

Stimulus spending sent both the FY 2020 deficit and the national debt to all time highs. Here are the numbers that show the breathtaking scope of the cost of the stimulus packages to date and the likely cost of the next round of stimulus.

The Covid-19 pandemic has thrown gas on the fire. As Congress negotiates a stimulus deal, then doesn't negotiate, then holds press conferences, then leaves town, then comes back, then tweets, then has a meltdown on CNN, it's worth taking stock of just how much we've spent on Covid-19 relief. We should also take stock of what the folks in Washington are proposing we spend in what would be the fifth stimulus package. After all, our great, great, great grandchildren will have to pay for this someday.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertberger/2020/10/18/5-big-numbers-reveal-the-unsettling-scope-of-stimulus-spending/?sh=6f9db5e9142b

The CNN meltdown U.S. representative from California (go figure) btw wtg Wolf ;)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/politics/nancy-pelosi-wolf-blitzer-stimulus/index.html

Onkel Neal

12-12-20, 04:43 PM

So does this SCOTUS judgement bring an early end to the pantomime season?

Yes, I believe this is the end, Monday the Electoral College will elect Biden, time to move on. I just hope they don't stick me in a re-education camp, I want to get some free college.

How can a U.S. president govern, let alone solve major problems, if one of our political parties is openly hostile to our entire political system?

I dunno, ask Donald Trump, the president the Democrats have been hostile to from the day he took office, with RUSSIA DID IT! to Impeach Now!

Too many Democrats have gone from being anti-American— that is to say, hostile to the country in which they live — to being anti-Reality — that is to say, hostile to any semblance of sanity and antagonistic to the idea that the people should be accountable for their actions, responsible for their existence, and expected to make their way through life without the wise management from the Democratic party.

.

Fixed that for you. :shucks:

Onkel Neal

12-12-20, 04:48 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Ky0kVfT.png

Then you have to admit, the three justices are independent, good jurors, yeah? You can't have it both ways.

Catfish

12-12-20, 05:23 PM

Well they acted as they should.
On a less serious note, has he still some time left to fire them?

u crank

12-12-20, 05:54 PM

Then you have to admit, the three justices are independent, good jurors, yeah? You can't have it both ways.

What is really ironic is if you remember back during Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing it was VP elect Harris who was particularly interested in seeing that Kananaugh not be seated. I wonder will she send him a thank you note.:D

Skybird

12-12-20, 06:15 PM

I dunno, ask Donald Trump, the president the Democrats have been hostile to from the day he took office, with RUSSIA DID IT! to Impeach Now!

But they stuck within the rulebook and played by the conventions, with Trump breaking them. And the attempt by the Republicans now to nullify an election, openly supports trying to break not just a ruleset, but the system - with appealing to the lowest of emotions. And many people follow that appeal, because emotions are cheap to have and easy to trigger.

Its their consequences that cost. And its your country you live in that will be blocked four years long. And it won't be Biden's fault.

In a way Trumps shadow will still walk around in the White House.

And yes, Russia most likely has had its hands in this, and yes, Trump should have been impeached, and with less corrupt Republican senators putting their own egoism before evidence (and being shameless enough to even announce in advance that they would never care for evidence anyway), he would have been. Its not relevant how Barr distoreted Mueller'S repoprt, what counts is wha Mueller wrot ein his report, and later explained in hearings. The man spoke for himself.

No, better don't compare the two like you do. The comparison collapses, and this is not just some entertaining wrestling show.

u crank

12-12-20, 06:52 PM

But they stuck within the rulebook and played by the conventions, with Trump breaking them.

It would appear that you have a very loose understanding of what the rules are.

Skybird

12-12-20, 07:19 PM

^ Or so you say.

Meanwhile the cat tries to escape out of the bag:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/12/12/texas-gop-chairman-slammed-after-suggesting-secession-from-united-states/

And Trump does what he always does: telling lies and slamming the Surpreme Court on Twitter. But he puts on a noisy bullying show, exactly what the masses want. The messier the better, its Sunday night, lets have some noise!

u crank

12-12-20, 07:32 PM

But they stuck within the rulebook and played by the conventions, with Trump breaking them.

^ Or so you say.

Ok how about an explanation about your understanding of the rules.

bstanko6

12-12-20, 07:40 PM

All I know is I never seen an election with so much shady games in favor of one party. The USA does not exist anymore.

We are gonna have Biden as president who couldn’t find the toilet in his own house in 3 tries... but will have access to nuclear codes.

Let that simmer in your brain a bit!

Buddahaid

12-12-20, 08:31 PM

Millions felt that Trump was a belligerent idiot that also had those codes.

bstanko6

12-12-20, 09:41 PM

@Buddahaid

Trump:

whittled down the national debt

Did not start another war

Gave millions of dollars for the next ten years to significant minority colleges

Exposed liberal media (which have always been terrible)

Supports police

Supports capitalism

Brought unemployment down to 3%

Biden:

Will reverse all of it just like he did with Obama

Onkel Neal

12-12-20, 11:22 PM

It would appear that you have a very loose understanding of what the rules are.

He has a very loose understanding of anything taking place over here. After all, everything he knows, he learn from reading on the Internet.

Rockstar

12-13-20, 04:59 PM

That's it everyone, the little reindeer is dead no more christmas ever again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_jrebvmPlk

Catfish

12-13-20, 05:14 PM

^ :haha:

Rockstar

12-13-20, 05:24 PM

I remember in 2000 when Gore conceded but within hours changed his mind and went to court to contest election results. On the 12th of December 2000 the Supreme Court of the United States threw out AlGores case having no choice he finally conceded for his second and last time.
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/899/8e7/339087be279d76beaa2811e69fc351c109-bush-gore-protest.rhorizontal.w700.jpg

Buddahaid

12-13-20, 05:45 PM

Donna Reed counting Trump votes....
https://media1.tenor.com/images/7d22ca0a62f21a420af1e60cc6c5a380/tenor.gif?itemid=14830603

vienna

12-14-20, 05:10 PM

Its almost all over; according to the most recent stat-by-state tally being tracked by CNN, Biden has accumulated 247 confirmed Electoral votes and the whopping 55 Electoral votes of California, which will all go to Biden, are yet to be cast and reported; does anyone else hear a fat lady warming up in the wings?...

Track Electoral College votes, state by state --

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/14/politics/2020-electoral-college-vote-tracker/index.html

Just hours prior to the Electoral College vote, the Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected another appeal by Team Trump the Chump to have over 221,000 votes thrown out in that state; one of the Justices made a sports reference to the appeal being akin to throwing down a US football challenge flag long after the game has been over; it was one of several recent sports analogies made in reference to the endless, senseless, and fruitless appeals made by the Loser-In-Chief since election day; SNL had this bit last Saturday; a bit of context for those not familiar with Newsmax or US football: Newsmax is a very Right-Wing news channel and has been positioning it self as an alternative to those who have been disheartened by Fox News' accurate reporting of the reality of the election results; Newsmax has even been suggested as a new home for Trump if he should choose to become an on-air commentator once he is booted from the Oval Office (Trump's own floated idea of his own news channel has appeared, like an awful lot of his ventures, to have fizzled out and failed); the New York Jets Football Team is widely regarded as the worst team in US Pro Football and has not won a single game this season, having just this past Sunday suffered its 13th defeat by a score of 40-3...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_K5czbny4

<O>

vienna

12-14-20, 05:16 PM

God still has a plan ... if the Supreme Court had of voted in favor of Trump the early Christmas shoppers would've unleashed their anger on the big cities of America.

Cheaters never win ... someone somewhere has cheated ... the numbers will still be debated in the US Congress and the US Senate come the first part of next year.

Biden's inauguration is still in jeopardy :yep:

Hate to tell you, but all those Evangelical Christians prayed and and prayed to God and He gave them an answer:

"No."

God's will be done...

<O>

mapuc

12-14-20, 05:33 PM

As predicted Joe Biden is your next President.

His Presidency will not be easy, far from it.

He will take over a country that is very divided

Markus

em2nought

12-14-20, 05:58 PM

Hate to tell you, but all those Evangelical Christians prayed and and prayed to God and He gave them an answer:

Unlike the "yes" from whoever democrats prayed to for "something" to tank the US economy. :03: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/457801-maher-stands-by-recession-remarks-very-worth-getting-rid-of-trump

Mr Quatro

12-14-20, 06:39 PM

Biden hasn't taken the oath of office yet

Many things could still happen ... fifty cases have been denied true

but some cases are still left to be investigated

We that believe will not give up

People of America still have a lawsuit in MA, which remains the ONLY complaint focusing on the REAL CRIME SCENE of #ElectionFraud:
COMPUTER ALGORITHMS that flip votes to deny you “ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.”

Landmark Lawsuit Filed in Federal Court Proves There is NO "One Person, One Vote" in Massachusetts VASHIVA.COM

https://vashiva.com/?fbclid=IwAR3cPOOgxl-7GygwXrbjRbZznbX6Nz0CdJyPNs3QQk9XTL1DKvVP9sSXUP4

Plus this election proof that the election could've been hacked :yep:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/an-11-year-old-changed-election-results-on-a-replica-florida-state-website-in-under-10-minutes?fbclid=IwAR0RoVlnyJFMfrE88e_eP2BDlKNmWJZCH xFU5nzWl5FYtT3Th1PfAgpfchc

An 11-year-old boy on Friday was able to hack into a replica of the Florida state election website and change voting results found there in under 10 minutes during the world’s largest yearly hacking convention, DEFCON 26, organizers of the event said.

Thousands of adult hackers attend the convention annually, while this year a group of children attempted to hack 13 imitation websites linked to voting in presidential battleground states.

The boy, who was identified by DEFCON officials as Emmett Brewer, accessed a replica of the Florida secretary of state’s website. He was one of about 50 children between the ages of 8 and 16 who were taking part in the so-called “DEFCON Voting Machine Hacking Village,” a portion of which allowed kids the chance to manipulate party names, candidate names and vote count totals.

An 11-year-old changed election results on a replica Florida state website in under 10 minutes