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Skybird

01-06-21, 09:47 PM

:hmmm:
Do you that call this an attempted 'coup' even understand the word or how to apply it?

A coup is a violent attempt to forcefully remove a legitimate government from power by the use of violence. Often it is the military, but it must not exclusively be so. The coup is followed by a rule of force without any legitimation by the people.

Therefore, to prevent a government by the use of force, violence, intimidation, from getting formally legitimised to govern after it won an election, and trying to steal, by the use of force and intimidation, an election that has been lost is practically the same: it gets by the use of violence rem oved/held back from power.

What Trump does all the time is: using lie, attempted fraud, intimdiation, threatening, attempted corrupting, attempted vote rigging, to steal an neleciton he has clearkly lost, and using suggestive language to call mobs to use implied violence on his behalf to bring him back the crown that he has to give up.

Guilty.

Guilty of conspiracy against the state and the constitutional order.
Guilty of misuse of authority for perosnal benefits.
Guilty of mobbing, intimidation and duress.
Guilty of corruption.
Guilty of attempted vote rigging.
Guilty of slander and offending.
Guilty of incitement.
Guilty of perversion of the course of justice.
Guilty of nepotism.
Guilty of refusal to work.
Guilty of breach of fiduciary duty during the pandemic.
Guilty of instigating for physical violence in hundreds of tousands of cases.
Guilty of instigating slaughter in tens of thousands of cases.
Guilty of collaboration with an hostile foreign power.
Guilty of tax evasion.
Guilty of illegally paying hush-money.

And many more, but I do not know all the equivalent English terms.

Oh, and it goes without saying he is a racist, sexist, bigot piece of youcanimaginewhat, and he is very proud of it. Pride, man! Somebody must have taught him that these traits are virtues.

And then lets see what comes of all the tax offence cases waiting for him once he has been thrown out. I would not be surprised to learn in the near future that he asks for asylum in Russia.

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 09:48 PM

@Cybermat...

You like to play with a lot of rubber things.

Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that!

bstanko6

01-06-21, 09:48 PM

Skybird shut up you sound like an old woman already. None of that stuff is ever happened.

Cybermat47

01-06-21, 09:49 PM

@Cybermat...

You like to play with a lot of rubber things.

Sorry, is that meant to be an insult?

August

01-06-21, 09:51 PM

I cannot express my true feelings in a positive tone how disgusted, ashamed, and angered I am

Were you similarly disgusted, ashamed and angered when the Democrats were letting gangs of nutty screaming snowflakes roam around the halls of congress accosting congressmen in elevators and hallways?

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 09:54 PM

Skybird shut up you sound like an old woman already. None of that stuff is ever happened.

At a loss for a real argument? Please provide one as I can' find one.

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 09:56 PM

Were you similarly disgusted, ashamed and angered when the Democrats were letting gangs of nutty screaming snowflakes roam around the halls of congress accosting congressmen in elevators and hallways?

Please provide citations, and when.

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 09:58 PM

I'm sorry, but that most certainly is not a Norwegian island.

Yep, politicians and bureaucrats are the same wherever you go. None of them, not a single one of them, will be welccome to my place unless put under constant surveillance, lest I wish to have them steal the nails in the cupboards.

:Kaleun_Wink:

Skybird

01-06-21, 10:01 PM

Trump caused the assault on the Capitol. He must be removed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/remove-trump-incitement-sedition-25th-amendment/2021/01/06/b22c6ad4-506d-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html

PRESIDENT TRUMP’S refusal to accept his election defeat and his relentless incitement of his supporters led Wednesday to the unthinkable: an assault on the U.S. Capitol by a violent mob (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/01/06/dc-protests-trump-rally-live-updates/?itid=lk_inline_manual_1) that overwhelmed police and drove Congress from its chambers as it was debating the counting of electoral votes. Responsibility for this act of sedition lies squarely with the president, who has shown that his continued tenure in office poses a grave threat to U.S. democracy. He should be removed.

Mr. Trump encouraged the mob to gather on Wednesday, as Congress was set to convene, and to “be wild (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/05/parler-telegram-violence-dc-protests/?itid=lk_inline_manual_3).” After repeating a panoply of absurd conspiracy theories about the election, he urged the crowd to march on the Capitol. “We’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you,” he said. “You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.” The president did not follow the mob, but instead passively watched it on television as its members tore down fences around the Capitol and overwhelmed police guarding the building. House members and senators were forced to flee. Shots were fired, and at least one person was struck and killed.

Rather than immediately denouncing the violence and calling on his supporters to stand down, Mr. Trump issued two mild tweets in which he called on them to “remain” or “stay” peaceful. Following appeals from senior Republicans, he finally released a video in which he asked people to go home, but doubled down on the lies fueling the vigilantes. “We love you. You’re very special,” he told his seditious posse. Later, he excused the riot, tweeting that “these are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away.”

The president is unfit to remain in office for the next 14 days. Every second he retains the vast powers of the presidency is a threat to public order and national security. Vice President Pence, who had to be whisked off the Senate floor for his own protection, should immediately gather the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment, declaring that Mr. Trump is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” Congress, which would be required to ratify the action if Mr. Trump resisted, should do so. Mr. Pence should serve until President-elect Joe Biden is inaugurated on Jan. 20.

Failing that, senior Republicans must restrain the president. The insurrection came just as many top Republicans, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), were finally denouncing Mr. Trump’s antidemocratic campaign to overturn the election results. A depressing number of GOP legislators — such as Sen. Josh Hawley (Mo.), Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.), House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) and House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (La.) — were prepared to support Mr. Trump’s effort, fueling the rage of those the president has duped into believing the election was stolen.

Mr. McConnell, to his lasting credit, was not. “President Trump claims the election was stolen,” he said. But “nothing before us proves (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/06/mitch-mcconnells-forceful-rejection-trumps-election-conspiracy-theories/?itid=lk_inline_manual_9) illegality anywhere near the massive scale, the massive scale, that would have tipped the entire election. . . . If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral.” He added: “I will not pretend such a vote would be a harmless protest gesture while relying on others to do the right thing.” As if to prove his point, the Trump mob would soon climb up the Capitol walls, and Mr. McConnell and his colleagues would seek refuge in secured locations.

Now that the stakes are viscerally clear, Mr. McConnell and every other Republican, almost all of whom bear some blame for what occurred on Wednesday, have an overriding responsibility to the nation: stopping Mr. Trump and restoring faith in democracy. That begins by recognizing Mr. Biden’s victory as soon as possible. Those lawmakers, such as Mr. Hawley and Mr. Cruz, who sought to benefit from Mr. Trump’s mob-stoking rage by objecting to the electoral vote count, must end their cynical posturing. They are directly impeding the peaceful transition of power.

The chaos confirmed once again the voters’ wisdom in rejecting Mr. Trump in favor of Joe Biden. The president-elect rose to the moment. “I call on this mob, (https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/biden-responds-to-storming-of-capitol-our-democracy-is-under-unprecedented-assault/2021/01/06/7dafffb3-ef6d-4050-b186-73bc6f75c08b_video.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_11&itid=lk_inline_manual_13) now, to pull back and allow the work of democracy to go forward,” Mr. Biden said. “It’s not protest. It’s insurrection.” He concluded: “Today is a reminder, a painful one, that democracy is fragile.”

Mr. Biden is right. Rules, norms, laws, even the Constitution itself are worth something only if people believe in them. Americans put on their seat belts, follow traffic laws, pay taxes and vote because of faith in a system — and that faith makes it work. The highest voice in the land incited people to break that faith, not just in tweets, but by inciting them to action. Mr. Trump is a menace, and as long as he remains in the White House, the country will be in danger.
Meanwhile at least three Trump loyalists have withdrawn their objections to the election results, amongst them Kelly Loeffler who just got defeated in Georgia.

Trump wanted chaos. He got his will. He will maximise it in the days left, if he is not stopped.

Its considered to be not polite to say after a bad event that one has told the other so, but - I told you so. Weeks ago, and months ago. Many people preferred to keep their eyes wide shut. Wide shut. And still do so.

August

01-06-21, 10:01 PM

Trump regime has been loosing throughout the World for 4 years in a row.

Three middle east peace deals.
Rich Nato members finally asked to pay their share.
Got us out of the Paris climate accord and Iran nuke deals.
NK missiles no longer being shot over Japan.
Illegal aliens no longer flowing over the border

Oh yeah loosing...

August

01-06-21, 10:10 PM

Please provide citations, and when.

My but what a short memory you have Grandma.

https://www.businessinsider.com/orrin-hatch-elevator-video-protestors-grow-up-2018-10

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/us/politics/kavanaugh-protests-senate.html

Shall I also include the mob attacks on congressmen in restaurants and other public places being egged on my Democrat luminaries?

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 10:10 PM

Maybe the price was too high for a lot of Americans, at least for me it was, and recent events tend to confirm that view rather than evaporate it.

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 10:11 PM

My but what a short memory you have Grandma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdffJAom_UE

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/us/politics/kavanaugh-protests-senate.html

Shall I also include the mob attacks on congressmen in restaurants and other public places being egged on my Democrat luminaries?

Not a short memory, I just hadn't been exposed to it, or at least I forgot, but isn't that patriotic free speech?

Cybermat47

01-06-21, 10:19 PM

Got us out of the Paris climate accord

How is that a good thing? I’ve seen the effects of global warming first hand with last year’s disastrous fires.

Von Due

01-06-21, 10:28 PM

How is that a good thing?

When you think
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/b99a82c2-f6e6-43b6-b734-e4b699e7373d_1.9dc5be82b2c39802fe9fbc89181a3a67.jp eg
is a documentary... Well...

August

01-06-21, 10:31 PM

We did and you lost. Think they are not fair? Let's fix it for next time so everybody's happy. Let's move to a bulletproof mail in voting mechanism so nobody can be intimidated, or prevented to vote, by needless hurdles. I'm sure Republicans can use a mail box without too much trouble.

Calling a mail in voting system Bullet proof is like saying you have a waterproof screen or a political utopia, it just doesn't exist. There are insurmountable chain of custody issues for one thing. A ballot doesn't go from a voters hand straight into a guarded locked box that is only opened in the presence of official monitors. It travels through many hands and often quite some distance, or it sits in a so called lock box drop off to sit unattended before again having to pass through several sets of hands to get to the polling center.

Explain to me how to prevent manipulation, theft or substitution using that method? Please explain also how to make sure that the voter filled out the ballot themselves and not somebody else. All these strange middle of the night pauses in the ballot counting sure look to me like a great way to see who didn't vote already and then supply a vote for them.

That sure would explain how an old white guy somehow got more millions more black votes than Obama did even while the other old white guy exponentially increased his share of the black vote in the same election. Weird huh? But not evidence, certainly not!

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 10:39 PM

Other countries seem to accept it, why can't the US figure out a way? I pay taxes over the internet, why can't I vote?

August

01-06-21, 11:10 PM

Other countries seem to accept it, why can't the US figure out a way? I pay taxes over the internet, why can't I vote?

The filing of fake tax returns using stolen personal information is a common problem so that's not a very good example. Besides other countries that allow mail in voting put on all kinds of restrictions on doing so. We're not even willing to verify that a signature on the envelope is the same as the one on record. Apples and oranges.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-report-points-to-restrictive-rules-on-mail-in-voting-worldwide

The report's analysis of these countries' voting laws, specifically on how restrictive their rules are on mail-in ballots, leads the study to conclude that the permissiveness of American laws toward widespread mail-in voting is rather unique in the developed world.

Von Due

01-06-21, 11:12 PM

Other countries seem to accept it, why can't the US figure out a way? I pay taxes over the internet, why can't I vote?

You shouldn't vote over the internet because the voting macines are protected from the prying eyes of anyone interested in knowing how these machines count the votes.

Also: Hackers just don't care if you give your electronic vote one way or the other.

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 11:15 PM

The filing of fake tax returns using stolen personal information is a common problem so that's not a very good example. Besides other countries that allow mail in voting put on all kinds of restrictions on doing so. We're not even willing to verify that a signature on the envelope is the same as the one on record. Apples and oranges.

Okay, but that doesn't make it undoable. All kinds of restrictions? Isn't that what this is all about? Cleaning up the voter rosters? Who exactly verifies the signatures anyway?

August

01-06-21, 11:25 PM

Okay, but that doesn't make it undoable. All kinds of restrictions? Isn't that what this is all about? Cleaning up the voter rosters? Who exactly verifies the signatures anyway?

What's so difficult about getting off your butt and going to a regular polling place to vote?

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 11:25 PM

You shouldn't vote over the internet because the voting macines are protected from the prying eyes of anyone interested in knowing how these machines count the votes.

Also: Hackers just don't care if you give your electronic vote one way or the other.

Then the US government doesn't care if I pay my fair share of taxes, or don't. It should be simple to just say I don't owe and that's it.

Buddahaid

01-06-21, 11:32 PM

What's so difficult about getting off your butt and going to a regular polling place to vote?

For me? Sometimes, and actually often, work does.

Onkel Neal

01-06-21, 11:53 PM

Cybermat...
You can call yourself a patriotic whatever. But you were not a patriotic Australian when you give up your guns willfully. You guys sat there bent over and let your government take away your only form of protection. Shame on you.

People like you that are scared of the government or a cancer and that’s why tyrannical government exist.

You go ahead and sit in your kangaroo pouch while us real men save you from World War II, and communism during the 80s.

Come on, let's not get personal, ok?

Remember, we want to say out piece but we need to be collected and show each other respect.

ET2SN

01-07-21, 12:43 AM

Meanwhile, read between the lines. :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxO762XLbow

Last time I checked my Civics book, the 25th amendment is invoked in case the president goes nuts. :yep:

bstanko6

01-07-21, 12:46 AM

bstanko6

01-07-21, 12:56 AM

For years I watch Joe Biden disrespect the black community. I watched him side with the ATF for killing women and children because his president Bill Clinton at the time needed him to. He made laws that made it harder for black men to succeed. I watched Joe Biden do nothing his entire career, and now he’s going to be a leader of the free country and that doesn’t sit well with me. I’m sorry that some of you guys think he’s a great guy, but Trump has been doing strides that I’ve never seen before as the president. And he will always be my president. And when Joe Biden fails and Kamala Harris steps up and she fails maybe will look back and think Trump wasn’t that bad.

skidman

01-07-21, 01:45 AM

and now I’m serving as a police officer.

OMG

Hawk66

01-07-21, 02:54 AM

My but what a short memory you have Grandma.

https://www.businessinsider.com/orrin-hatch-elevator-video-protestors-grow-up-2018-10

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/us/politics/kavanaugh-protests-senate.html

Shall I also include the mob attacks on congressmen in restaurants and other public places being egged on my Democrat luminaries?

This is very weak. You wanna compare this to what happened in D.C? Are you kidding me ? A president, who actually literally orders his mob to occupy the congress ? That is a coup, nothing else. And if Trump would see chances to persuade the armed forced, he would use them also for that...

I do not wanna be a know-it-all guy from Europe, we have also our severe issues. But for me it is really shocking how the democracy in the US was damaged. The enemies of democracy being it abroad or within, can now celebrate. Russia and China will for sure exploit this situation, strengthening their efforts to do the same in Europe.

By the way: If those protesters on the hill were "lefties" and black people (or do we wanna just label them as communists and socialists conveniently ?): What would have happened then with them ? Also peacefully escorted out ?

Rosencrantz

01-07-21, 04:35 AM

Three middle east peace deals.
Rich Nato members finally asked to pay their share.
Got us out of the Paris climate accord and Iran nuke deals.
NK missiles no longer being shot over Japan.
Illegal aliens no longer flowing over the border

Oh yeah loosing...

I agree, it looks like even Trump regime has hit the bull's eye few times. But if we'll take a closer look, we might be able to see that things are not so straight forwarded or black-and-white. Not only that Obama took Nato payments issue openly on table, here in Europe there were already people recognizing the very same problem. Ordinary people, just like me.

What becomes to getting US out of Paris climate accord... was that really an achievement? I don't know, how much it'll count if we could keep the oil and coal business related jobs intact if the risk is that we'll finally burn the whole planet uninhabitable?

About Iran and missiles over Japan I have nothing much to say about, as I'm not familiar enough with all the facts, especially in Iran case. Just wondering, couldn't these have been achieved by any US government? Or, to be more straight, how on earth Trump kind of a person as acting president of the US helped to achieve those goals? "Illegal aliens" issue belongs to domestic policy, so only thing I can say I understand your thinking here. Western Europe has faced the very same problems during recent years.

However, in the end we have to take look on the big picture. That was what I tried to tell you before. That Trump regime and his followers has done so much harm in people's minds and hearts outside of US, that few undoubted achievements, like Middle East peace treatments, are just not enough to balance out all the negative results got during the last 4 years. In the Europe, for instance, majority of people has such a serious attitude towards politics that they will have hard times to forget the Trump's Circus era in US history. Building up new trust between people, it'll be hard and will take generations. That's all.

greetings,
-RC-

Gorpet

01-07-21, 04:53 AM

Typical response from someone who hasn't the guts to follow up his threats,LMAO!! How does it feel to support the first President since 1932 to lose reelection, plus the Senate and House at the same time !!??!! He's a triple loser,lol

Gee Eddie, I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976 and during his one term in office he created the Department of Education.Which hasn't did a damn thing for you. And trust me Eddie this old man has more guts to back up threats if made than your SJW ass does.Now im going to have that drink and and watch the newest episode of Office of the President Elect and listen to them and the rabid left wing news media put the blame on President Trump.

Oh and Eddie do try and pull some brain cells together and catch up on what the Demorats have been doing the last 4 years. And if the distance between my state and yours gets shorter in the future we can do a rain check on those guts. :03:

Skybird

01-07-21, 04:54 AM

At the core of the problem:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/republicans-efforts-end-american-republic-makes-them-republicans-name-only-ncna1252872

Republicans' efforts to end the American republic makes them Republicans in name only. The Party of Lincoln has given up its claim to that name and that legacy to support an undemocratic effort by a man who isn't even a conservative.

Though coined much earlier, the acronym RINO — "Republican in Name Only" — came into broader usage in the early 1990s (https://www.vox.com/2015/9/29/9416259/rino-word-history) by those on the extreme right to disparage members of the Republican Party whom they accused of being insufficiently "conservative." These days, though, people disparaged as RINOs are usually much more firm believers in republicanism than those deploying the so-called slur, who have commandeered control of the "Republican" Party and perfected the Orwellian art of using words to mean the opposite of what they are.

Put more plainly, it is the Trump acolytes and members of the Republican Party who have joined in their leader's efforts to overthrow the American republic who are Republicans in Name Only.

The Republican Party, after all, was established in 1854 as a reaction to efforts by Andrew Jackson's Democratic Party to expand the reach of slavery in the United States and the political power of enslavers within the republic. At the first meeting of former Whigs and other anti-Democrat forces in February that year, they tentatively adopted the name as a nod to Thomas Jefferson's Republican faction in the country's early days. In July, a much larger meeting of the nascent party formally adopted the name after having been christened such by New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley, who wrote (https://www.ushistory.org/gop/origins.htm) that "we think some simple name like 'Republican' would more fitly designate those who had united to restore the Union to its true mission of champion and promulgator of Liberty rather than propagandist of slavery."

In less than a decade, the new party's first elected president, Abraham Lincoln, had emancipated the country's enslaved people and he shortly thereafter reunited the republic after secessionist forces tried to tear it apart in a bloody effort to stymie progress toward a more perfect — and less racist — union.

Republicans do not wish to end the republic in which they serve or else they are Republicans in Name Only.

Today's Republicans, who have taken what was once the Democrats' place in fomenting racial discord and in their efforts to tear the very fabric of the nation in two, plainly are not deserving of that inheritance or its name.

So, too, are their efforts to define themselves as conservatives little more than a falsehood. Actual conservatives value (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/what-americans-mean-when-they-say-theyre-conservative/252099/) responsibility, self-reliance, tradition, norms, law, truth-telling, morality, manners, knowledge, loyalty, success in business, self-control, religious values, patriotism, stability, maturity, marital fidelity, a sense of history, the checks and balances of constitutional government, deliberation, fiscal restraint, accountability, ordered liberty, justice, principle, humility and compassion.

There is no way to justify continuing the false designation of radical rightists as "conservatives" and people willing to end the republic as "Republicans." The dozen-plus elected members of the Republican Party in the Senate and the more than a hundred in the House who announced that they would vote to overturn various states' electoral slates Wednesday should not, despite their nominal party membership, be referred to as "conservatives" or "Republicans."

All who fail to condemn President Donald Trump's phone call threatening and pressuring state officials in Georgia ("So look," he said in a recording (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html__;!!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!9K7pY3Y 5q4hLyEu_ddBBXUbpN73fezOpt_2mpAXQOnDGdXQk5PKQnLTmg QZzryjHGW8n$) made by the office of the Georgia secretary of state Saturday, "all I want to do is this. I just want you to find 11,780 votes" — or exactly one more than he lost by in the state) and who do not forcefully disassociate themselves from his reported musings (https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/04/defense-secretaries-trump-pentagon-power-grab/) about declaring martial law to remain in power show themselves to be opposed to conserving our republic.

The unconscionable effort to keep Trump in office despite the stated will of the people is tantamount to throwing democracy and the American republic into the dustbin of history. Republicans do not wish to end the republic in which they serve or else they are Republicans in Name Only. Conservatives who do not wish to conserve the very foundation of the American experiment — our democratic republic — is no kind of conservative their intellectual predecessors would recognize.

In their 2017 books, "Dark Money" and "Democracy in Chains," Jane Mayer and Nancy MacLean detail how a small number of radical rightists set out to further their cause of "freeing" the superrich from the constraints imposed through democracy by camouflaging their intentions with popular labels that obscured their goals. One example (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.google.com/books/edition/Democracy_in_Chains/RfQnDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=mantle*20of*20conservatism__;JSU!!PIZeeW5wscyn RQ!9K7pY3Y5q4hLyEu_ddBBXUbpN73fezOpt_2mpAXQOnDGdXQ k5PKQnLTmgQZzr8SxG1ja$) from MacLean: They "more and more adopted the mantle of conservatism, knowing full well that the last thing they wanted to do is conserve, but seeing advantages in doing so."

The only things today's self-styled conservatives seek to conserve are white male control and the bloated fortunes of the superrich. They do not want to conserve; they want to regress. They have made it clear that they wish to "take America back" — presumably to the 1950s, when the superiority of and rule by white men were taken as axiomatic.

But it has increasingly come to appear that the "'50s" to which some in the Trump circles seek to return may be not the 1950s but the 1850s or even the 1750s, when what would become the United States was ruled by a monarch of German descent (or perhaps even the 1650s, before the Enlightenment).

Plainly, the word to describe those with the goals of the ultra-rightists who pose as "conservatives" is "regressives." And one accurate name for those who shroud their anti-republican actions in the false label "Republican" would be the Anti-Republican Party; other truthful designations could include the Authoritarian Party, the Autocracy Party, the Radical Rightwing Party or the Anti-American Party.

Continuing to use familiar, unthreatening names for those politicians and their followers who are unwilling to respect the most fundamental principles of self-government makes us complicit in their assault on our republic. We need to call them what they really are, to make it easier for the public to see what they're doing. We must stop providing cover for their nefarious actions. And there's no better week to start doing so than this one.

Skybird

01-07-21, 05:09 AM

Rockstar

01-07-21, 05:18 AM

Looks pretty intimidating with those sunglasses on, but no weapons. Smart move on the Guards part.

Rosencrantz

01-07-21, 05:26 AM

Actually, if you could suggest a country where men are still men, where people who don't work get hungry, and where the govt and half the populace aren't trying to run your life and tell you what is acceptable to think and say, I would be happy to renounce my US citizenship and move.

Hi Neal, good to see the site is still up and running after so many years! But now one thought about what you wrote before. Writing from Finland, I'd like to suggest that it is always not a bad idea to offer a meal, a flat and at least some kind of a decent life even to a man without work. We all know how reasons behind unemployment are various. Often - on individual level - those reasons can be addressed properly and positive progress made in someone's personal life. However, sometimes that is just not possible. Reasons vary.

Right now while I'm writing this, in our small country, we have more or less 40 000 people with academic background unemployed, true total figures of unemployed people passing 200 000 men and women. Counting also children, about 0,5 million people in our country have to face results of unemployment every day.

Personally I'm glad we have working social care, something US citizens can only imagine. I wouldn't mind to witness those 40 000 smart and academic people wandering around and starving. Nor the rest of those people, nor those children. Voluntarily "free billeting" people are minority among our unemployed people, the most frequent reason for unemployment is that there is just not enough jobs to all of us. That's something our long term academic studies tells clearly.

Maybe the very best part of good social network is, that is has nothing to do with communism. Nothing at all. That said by me, who - with his German roots - has never been a communist, quite opposite. Not trying to tell you, what you should think about things, but just saying there could be also good alternative ways to address some problems.

greetings,
-RC-

Skybird

01-07-21, 05:31 AM

Looks pretty intimidating with those sunglasses on, but no weapons. Smart move on the Guards part.

If their looks is your only problem... Politics, Marvel Comic universe style. Send in the Avengers.

Its the second time a Trumpist mob storms a capitol this year. Next time they might bring weapons with them. And ammo. The mob yesterday already threatened to mcome back - with weapons next time.

And nobody should think it is not possible or unlikely. The argument "it will not get this worse" is no longer valid, nor a sign for sane reasoning. If the Republicans do not hold the Trumpists in their rows accountable, civil war-like unrest and maybe even civil war sooner or later will be and must be the logical, outcome. They are an incompoatible extreme that cannot fit in. You just have to listen to bastanko06's tirades. I fear he is not alone with his extremist sentiments and mental state. Its dangerous. Its anarchistic. Its extreme rightist.

Rockstar

01-07-21, 05:46 AM

If their looks is your only problem... Politics, Marvel Comic universe style. Send in the Avengers.

Its the second time a Trumpist mob storms a capitol this year. Next time they might bring weapons with them. And ammo. The mob yesterday already threatened to mcome back - with weapons next time.

And nobody should think it is not possible or un likely. The argument "it will not gat this worse" is no logner valid, nor a sign for sane reasoning. If the repoublicans do not hold the Trumpists i nt heir rows accoutnable, civil war-like unrest and maybe even civil war sooner or later will be the logical, outcome. You just have to listen to bastanko06's tirades. I fear he is not alone with his extremist sentiments and mental state. Its dangerous. Its anarchistic. Its extreme rightist.

Might bring weapons next time? So far its just been unarmed protesters then who have been shot and killed, that's the scary part. But because they're Trump supporters they deserve that? Seems Bstanko is not the only one with extremist views. This is such a mess, but hopefully its a wake up call how divisive and childish leadership has become. Grown men latching onto those same childish and divisive comments and regurgitating them here, its an absolutely pathetic circle. Where are the grown-ups?

Skybird

01-07-21, 05:52 AM

Imagine the mob yesterday would have been black.

"Security" would have been on a different level.

Double standards.

Jimbuna

01-07-21, 06:01 AM

Where are the grown-ups?

Oh I'm here :O:

Just spent an hour of my life catching up with this thread and feeling rather pleased that civility between the posters has remained victorious despite the shaky start earlier during the night (GMT).

Interesting times still lie ahead I suspect.

Catfish

01-07-21, 06:15 AM

Sign of the times. Sign of the need for change.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210106172554-03-blm-george-floyd-protests-file-exlarge-169.jpg

How comes that the capitol, security was so ill prepared although already two - or was it even three - days before I red that the National Guard had been activated over the event?

^ This picture you posted is from last year, when the National Guard troops were deployed to the Lincoln Memorial on June 2, 2020, during protests held in Washington, DC, over the death of George Floyd.

u crank

01-07-21, 06:26 AM

How comes that the capitol, security was so ill prepared although already two - or was it even three - days before I red that the National Guard had been activated over the event?

That is a very good question. This was my first thought when this started. How could it happen?

must there be accountability for those charged with the security of the Capitol complex. If, as appears highly likely, intelligence failures are found to have occurred alongside inadequate preparations, both Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund and Assistant Chief Yogananda Pittman should resign. For whatever reason, the courageous Capitol Police officers stationed outside Congress were totally inadequate in number and capability. Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller must resign, or be fired, if he failed to authorize the rapid deployment of National Guard resources in support of Capitol Hill police.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/a-catastrophic-capitol-security-failure

But there is no reason why more resources could not have been held in reserve, even covertly, nearby. The National Guard was put on alert but, as of this publication, is nowhere to be seen. Mayor Muriel Bowser and the departments of Homeland Security and Justice must also answer questions here: What support was requested of them, when, and why was their response inadequate?

No doubt this event will change the security measures for the Capital Complex and other places but somebody droped the ball.

There must be accountability at the highest levels for this outrageous failing — and for those who took advantage of it.

Skybird

01-07-21, 06:43 AM

^ This picture you posted is from last year, when the National Guard troops were deployed to the Lincoln Memorial on June 2, 2020, during protests held in Washington, DC, over the death of George Floyd.
Cant tell, I took it today from the news coverage of either NBC or CNN.

P.S.

CNN indeed now headlines it as a story about the police reaction last year. Cant tell whether they have changed the story or I mistook it in the first.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 07:03 AM

Skybird...

CNN is hard to follow, they are mainstream media. They change everything they want, including elections!

Hawk66

01-07-21, 07:05 AM

The next generation has to fix it and https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184426/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-age-us/ makes me confident about that.

Frankly if you follow this discussion here, you see that a lot of "older" people are not capable to realize that the world and economy has changed. They are still in the 20th century.

Skybird

01-07-21, 07:22 AM

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/lame_duck_ts/26771044/2-format1007.jpg

Skybird

01-07-21, 07:45 AM

The German State Department tightened its travel and safety advisories for the United States following the Capitol storm. "A continuation of the protests, including the use of firearms, cannot be ruled out," it says. The general situation could change at any time, especially in the transition phase until the introduction of the new American government on January 20, 2021, and unrest could flare up again. Germans are recommended, among other things, to follow the news and to register on the Foreign Office's crisis prevention list.

And then the Russians. I love it when they are being ironic:

After the riot at the Capitol, the spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry described the electoral system in the United States as "archaic". The incidents are an internal American matter, said Maria Sakharova on Thursday, according to the Interfax agency. "Nonetheless, we are once again paying attention to the fact that the US electoral system is archaic, it does not meet today's democratic standards." That leaves room for "numerous violations," said Sakharova. Russia wishes the American people "that they will survive this dramatic moment in their own history with dignity".

The electoral system - archaic? Russian understatement. :D

Both messages from the Liveblog of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

Gorpet

01-07-21, 07:50 AM

Yes when its BLM and Antifa protesters rampaging around Washington. The National Guard can have no weapons and the police where holed up around their stations to keep them from being burned to the ground. But hey that's all good, Lets see if Uncle Joe and Kamala keep defunding the police forces around the country But up gun and fund their Praetorian Guards that will swear allegiance to the Party. We shall see.

u crank

01-07-21, 07:50 AM

The next generation has to fix it and https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184426/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-age-us/ makes me confident about that.

Me not so much. The next generation is being thoroughly indoctrinated by one political philosophy. That lack of diversity of political thought does not bode well for a free Democratic society. I have seen this kind of political groupthink in my own family. It is disheartening to see it happening.

Frankly if you follow this discussion here, you see that a lot of "older" people are not capable to realize that the world and economy has changed. They are still in the 20th century.

Well the question begs to be asked. Is that change for the better?

Gorpet

01-07-21, 08:12 AM

Lets see if there are calls for an investigation and justice for that female protester when we learn what her name was.And did she leave behind any children and family while she was expressing her First Amendment right. But in America those rights are only for the Leftist. She got justice right then and there from the end of a gun barrel. Justice by those in Power or coming into Power has always been a two edged Sword. I think i'll take the motorcycle out for a long ride and hope some lunatic lefty doesn't run me off the road or shoot me just because its a Harley.

Méo

01-07-21, 08:43 AM

I think that any non American members here should refrain themselves from commenting, or maybe should I say condemning any US internal politics. No matter how unreal or dismayed all this seems to us.

It is my deep belief that it would just have the opposite effect. That foreigners judge without knowing their reality, their culture and their history. Or worse, it can be interpreted as a condescending lesson. In the end, it's their contry and they are the ones who are gonna face the consequences.

This is just a general comment and not specifically targeted at what is going on right now.

But on the other hand, Americans should also be careful before condemning another country's internal politics. Because you know, it's never that simple...

Skybird

01-07-21, 08:59 AM

I just waited for somebody showing up claiming that it was Antifa and lefties causing the riot, stopwatch in my hand, wondering what took that somebody so long.

Meo,
we would not care so much if these affairs would not cause such a massive fallout throughout the world. If America shakes and falters, the effects will be felt everywhere - and that includes Canada and Europe as well. That comes as part of the cost for being a world-influencing superpower. If Norway would dismantle its monarchy, as an exmaple, this would mean little if not nothing for America, not even for Europe. If America dismantles its democracy, on the other hand, it means an existential threat for the whole Western world. We cannot afford not to be closely interested, it touches upon our own vital interests.

Cybermat47

01-07-21, 09:09 AM

In the end, it's their contry and they are the ones who are gonna face the consequences.

It’s not just them. America is a massive global power, and as such its internal politics spill out into other countries.

If America is crippled by internal instability, that opens up huge opportunities for the DPRK, PRC, Russia, Iran, and other countries that have had their ambitions stifled by US influence. I think it’s reasonable to say that those states would see a substantial increase in their influence and economic power. In an extreme case, the ROK, ROC, former Soviet states, and Iraq could even be at risk of military action by their hostile neighbours.

u crank

01-07-21, 09:25 AM

Oh my.:hmmm:

DC Mayor Told Federal Law Enforcement To Stand Down Day Before Violent US Capitol Riot

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/06/dc-mayor-told-federal-law-enforcement-to-stand-down-day-before-violent-us-capitol-riot/

“To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD if such plans are underway,” Bowser wrote in a letter to acting U.S. Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, and Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy.

“The District of Columbia Government has not requested personnel from any other federal law enforcement agencies,” she continued. “To avoid confusion, we ask that any request for additional assistance be coordinated using the same process and procedures.”

I wonder if she now realizes that her decision was a mistake?

Jimbuna

01-07-21, 09:33 AM

Oops!

Skybird

01-07-21, 10:05 AM

^ Always concerned. Always deescalating at all cost. Always appeasing. Always hopefull.

Sometimes you cannot avoid it - you must make a stand, and not give an inch anymore. A red line in the sand. "Until here - and not one inch further."

It's not like we weren't warned. In the days leading up to the rally, online forums popular with the far right were filled with threats of violence (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/violent-threats-ripple-through-far-right-internet-forums-ahead-protest-n1252923). Such rhetoric dovetails with the actions of far-right vigilantes and alt-right gangs like the Proud Boys (https://www.politicalresearch.org/2020/12/16/alt-right-gangs). On the eve of the rally, the leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, was arrested (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/proud-boys-leader-arrested-after-allegedly-destroying-d-c-church-n1252789) and accused of destroying a Black Lives Matter sign at a historic Black church at a previous pro-Trump rally.

These groups haven't been hiding their weapons, their aggression or their intent to cause injury and mayhem, with Black Lives Matter supporters often bearing the brunt of the violence. According to researcher Ari Weil, there were over 100 car attacks (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/seattle-protester-hit-car-latest-casualty-dangerous-far-right-trend-ncna1233525) on demonstrators against police brutality from May to September. At the Aug. 22 "Back the Blue" rally (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/22/portland-police-far-right-protest/) in Portland, Oregon, armed "militia" members assaulted protesters. Vigilantes patrolled the streets in Philadelphia in early June, attacking protesters and reporters with baseball bats (https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3enea/armed-white-vigilantes-threatened-blm-protesters-in-philly-and-sent-a-journalist-to-the-hospital).
2020 also saw the rise of the "boogaloo movement (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/what-boogaloo-how-online-calls-violent-uprising-are-getting-organized-n1138461)," a far-right militia culture bent on instigating a second Civil War, which has instigated multiple killings and attacks (https://www.mediamatters.org/black-lives-matter/far-right-boogaloo-supporter-allegedly-killed-black-federal-police-officer-and). Conspiracy theories about secret elites seem to have been a motivating factor in the Christmas Day bombing in Nashville, Tennessee (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/girlfriend-nashville-bomber-warned-police-he-was-building-explosives-2019-n1252536). Theories like QAnon, which have been tied to numerous acts of violence and terrorism plots (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/qanon-violence-crimes-timeline), are moving into mainstream discourse (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/trump-meets-qanon-influencers-conspiracy-theory-s-adherents-beg-dictatorship-n1252144) in the Republican Party (and even into the halls of Congress).
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/deaths-capitol-pro-trump-far-right-mob-months-red-flags-ncna1253205
And further it says:

Conspiracies lead to acts of violence because they infect people with the belief that they are heroes destined to stop profound acts of evil that less enlightened citizens can't see. But seeing satanic cabals of pedophiles around every corner creates a distinctly unpleasant emotional state. "It's like they're virtually traumatizing themselves. It's like they're inventing stories, experiencing those stories, and then living through the vicarious trauma of the stories," said Sarah Hightower, an expert on the QAnon conspiracy theory culture (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-sad-dangerous-and-predictable-state-of-qanon/id1478794003?i=1000488631695).
We now live in a bifurcated reality, where more than 75 percent of Republicans (which translates to tens of millions of people) believe the election could be fraudulent (https://www.npr.org/2020/12/09/944385798/poll-just-a-quarter-of-republicans-accept-election-outcome), a belief that requires a tacit commitment to conspiracies. Tens of millions of people believe that the world is not as we see it but that, instead, a shadow class is pulling the strings.
Indeed, despite indisputable evidence that it was far-right supporters of Trump who stormed the Capitol, conservative activists have already begun spinning an alternative version of events (http://nbcnews.com/tech/internet/trump-loyalists-push-evidence-free-claims-antifa-activists-fueled-mob-n1253176), in which it was really anti-fascist activists who wreaked havoc. "Do not be surprised if we learn in the days ahead that the Trump rioters were infiltrated by leftist extremists," Fox News' Brit Hume tweeted (https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1346998652498309121?s=21), turning to the far right's favorite boogeyman, antifa (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-antifa-tweet-right-wing-catnip-potentially-troubling-consequences-ncna1222686), to divert responsibility from those caught destroying government property on video.

And CNN finds even stronger true words:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/politics/donald-trump-electoral-college-capitol-riot/index.html

That will become two very dangerous weeks ahead. Trump should and must be removed. Not doing so is like playing Russian roulette.

Stgill, over 100 RINOs in congressstill supported his lies and evidence-free allegatiosn yesterday. To their eternal shame.

Onkel Neal

01-07-21, 10:06 AM

Neal...

I understand what you’re saying. I get mad because people from other countries try to tell me how our election system works and how it not works. And that’s not fair. I served my country and now I’m serving as a police officer. And overnight I’m going to become a criminal for doing my job with these fools getting “placed” into office. So these people don’t understand what it’s like to be me right now. I will a treated like a crook when i do my job. And I do it damn well. It’s easy for people to sit back smoke weed and think that life’s great having a bunch of socialists steal a country. I’m damn angry.

I 100% understand and I don't blame you. To your credit, you are willing to step back and discuss it. I get pretty amped up too, at times. A lot of members do, and it's understandable. However, it's a simple fact that if we all do not manage to keep the peace in this forum, we will ruin what we have - a place where people with different viewpoints can meet and discuss.

So, if it gets to be too much, do what I do, just log off for a few days and go about your business. Nothing that is said here will change the world either way, it's just talk. The main point here is, have your say and make your point but let's all avoid directly attacking each other.

hang in there,

Wolferz

01-07-21, 10:17 AM

It's over. Put it down and leave it alone.
If you keep picking at it it's going to get infected.
Chump is out no matter how much rhetoric he tweets.
The whole dog and pony show has been typical of all the elections I've born witness to.
16.5 of them.
This latest one has been the clowniest by far. But, I am reassured that the democratic republic that I once swore oath to defend with my life is still intact.
Through the whole process of choosing a new Commander in Chief, my BS meter has been pegged out at maximum this time around. As a patriotic American who still retains most of his common sense, I can safely say that all of the broohaha has been caused by one guy. D.J. Trump. A type A personality who has been spoiled by his own opinion of himself as a winner who never loses. Guess what dude... ya lost. Don't let the door hit you in your fourth point of contact on the way out.

Méo

01-07-21, 10:24 AM

Meo,
we would not care so much if these affairs would not cause such a massive fallout throughout the world. If America shakes and falters, the effects will be felt everywhere - and that includes Canada and Europe as well. That comes as part of the cost for being a world-influencing superpower. If Norway would dismantle its monarchy, as an exmaple, this would mean little if not nothing for America, not even for Europe. If America dismantles its democracy, on the other hand, it means an existential threat for the whole Western world. We cannot afford not to be closely interested, it touches upon our own vital interests.

It’s not just them. America is a massive global power, and as such its internal politics spill out into other countries.

If America is crippled by internal instability, that opens up huge opportunities for the DPRK, PRC, Russia, Iran, and other countries that have had their ambitions stifled by US influence. I think it’s reasonable to say that those states would see a substantial increase in their influence and economic power. In an extreme case, the ROK, ROC, former Soviet states, and Iraq could even be at risk of military action by their hostile neighbours.

You got a point and one I was more thinking about external politics.

But neverthless I'm convinced that carefulness should be kept in mind when discussing certain internal issues as it can easely be perceived as condescension and then having the opposite effect.

mapuc

01-07-21, 10:57 AM

I'm a little worried.

We all know what happened yesterday in Washington.

Before I went to bed I watch a little more CNN and there they had an issue where they quoted a GOP who work close with Trump

He has gone insane.

He still have fourteen days as the President. I hope nothing more will happen before or after, Trump leaves the Oval Office.

Edit
I'm also worried about what will happen in and around the White House, if the Congress and Pence invoke the 25th Amendment
End edit

Markus

Catfish

01-07-21, 12:07 PM

Wolferz

01-07-21, 12:37 PM

Don't worry guys,
i don't think VP Pence has any interest in serving the shortest presidential term in history. He was rightly peeved about his CIC asking him to overturn the Electoral Vote process. and all the other shenanigans that went with it.

Stomping out a flaming lame duck is in the purview of Congress and nowhere else.
Now all we can do is wait and see who steps up to carry out a very distasteful action. Either way, some senators and congress critters may be looking at the equivalent of political career suicide, no matter which way they turn.
Not a position I would want to find myself facing.
But somebody is going to have to take on the job.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 12:42 PM

I still don't believe it was an attempted coup. Now call it an Act of Domestic Terrorism? I'll agree with that.
On the so called IED's? Why have we not heard about that lately?
Because they were PRESUMED IED's.
Leave a package in an airport once and see what happens!
It's PRESUMED to be a bomb and treated as such.

From all the images of people with back packs we can PRESUME they were carting bombs. Does not make it FACT that they were carting bombs.

I hope they find and arrest everyone committing crimes in DC.

It was a crime committed against the Country I swore an Oath to protect when I enlisted.
Being out of the Services does not mean I am not loyal to that Oath.

Maybe I don't like the New President. Didn't care for a lot of them over the years.
BUT everyone of them were my President.

I don't recall this President ordering me to storm the Capital.

Skybird

01-07-21, 12:47 PM

Iraq has issued a warrant for Trump over the drone killing of that general some time ago.

Maybe America should simply let them have their will? :up: Solves problems for both sides. The one side wnats to get rid of something, the others wants to get that something.

Some of the security staff inside Capitol took selfies with the attackers.

Two of the IEDs found yesterday were hot and could have done huge damage, assessment by the police.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 01:04 PM

Show me a link on the IED's.
I keep hearing that but can't find SOLID FACTS.

Mr Quatro

01-07-21, 01:05 PM

Wow! That was a lot of reading just to play catch up :yep:

I watched the whole thing unfold and couldn't believe the unruly mob actually breached the interior of the capital building with only one guard, with a night stick, guarding the steps.

Who were those men with guns drawn on the inside? FBI or Secret Service?

What I gather from all of this is these men and women were sending a message to Washington that they don't like what is going on (they really believe that a fraud has taken place on the voting rights of the people) They support Trump even if he is lying, even if he is wrong, Trump is saying what they think is true to go to such lengths to storm the capital.

These men and women are backed up by other angry people at home that didn't attend the Washington rally.

In effect they are saying "We will be back" :o

ET2SN

01-07-21, 01:46 PM

That kind of message should be answered with a noose. :up:
We don't coddle traitors even if they're "just mis-informed" or "confused". :yep:

Let them know the date and time of their execution so they know we aren't screwing around.

Wolferz

01-07-21, 01:55 PM

From everyone involved in this so called protest rally.
Looked more like a mob of sore loser Trump sychophants to me.:wah:

Politics: "The art of looking for trouble. Finding it everywhere and applying all the wrong remedies"
Groucho Marx

Trump politics: " The art of causing trouble everywhere and applying no remedies"
Wolferz

ET2SN

01-07-21, 02:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwvGDfXtehE

:yep:

Mr Quatro

01-07-21, 02:15 PM

Show me a link on the IED's.
I keep hearing that but can't find SOLID FACTS.

Explosive devices found outside RNC and DNC were live not fake: Source

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/explosive-devices-found-outside-rnc-and-dnc-were-live-not-fake-source/ar-BB1cxQb8?ocid=BingNews

U.S. Capitol Police confirmed Thursday that the devices found outside of the Democratic National Committee and Republican National Committee, a few blocks from the Capitol, could have caused "great harm."

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 02:15 PM

Phrase it how you want.
Post all the YouTube Idiots you want.
I still don't believe it was a coup.
A bunch of Idiots that should be arrested and never allowed to breed.

Coup gives it to much credit. That implies someone with half a brain was in charge.
We all know that not to be true.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 02:20 PM

Explosive devices found outside RNC and DNC were live not fake: Source

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/explosive-devices-found-outside-rnc-and-dnc-were-live-not-fake-source/ar-BB1cxQb8?ocid=BingNews

Thanks.
:up:

Now I have to wonder why a bomb would be placed near those areas.
I could see the Idiots doing the DNC placement.
Why the RNC?

I'll also say whoever built those found the WORST plans on the Internet!
It's like something out of the 70's! Or a Bad Movie!
Heck! I probably have most of those parts in my basement just from keeping my house working.

Hold on... Someone is knocking at my door.
LOL!

sublynx

01-07-21, 02:49 PM

Ordinary people on flight 93 stopped a bunch of fanatics from hitting the Capitol. Ordinary Republican voters, please start voting republican candidates with integrity.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 02:52 PM

OMG. There's the problem.
Integrity.

ET2SN

01-07-21, 02:56 PM

Phrase it how you want.

They tried to over throw the US government.
I think that covers all of the bases. :up:

ET2SN

01-07-21, 02:59 PM

Ordinary Republican voters, please stay home until you figure out how this thing works.

:O:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:01 PM

ET2SN

01-07-21, 03:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5tEOO0QfZw

:yep:

Meanwhile, Mrs. McConnell is stepping out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV3dBKTTvC8

:yep:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:13 PM

You want me to believe this is someone out to over throw a Government?
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=11724
Well.
He does have a potential bomb on his back.
In fact? I see about 5 potential bombs in that picture.

Mr Quatro

01-07-21, 03:14 PM

Those Idiots didn't try to over throw a Government!
They went in as Clowns to get Facebook pics and disrupt things.
I suppose the Guy in the Wolf hood was the General in charge?

Don't give ANY OF THEM that much credit!
That's what they want and your just playing into their Game.

Do I like what they did last night? HELL NO!
I'd shoot them down like dogs myself.
But I will not give them the pleasure of calling it a Coup!
It was Idiots that did this. Not Genius planners out to over throw a Government.

The heavily-tattooed Trump supporter has been identified as Jake Angeli - dubbed the QAnon Shaman
Angeli was at the front of a group of agitators who broke into the Capitol and were facing off with DC police
He made his way into the Senate chamber where he was seen shouting and posing for photos on the dais
Angeli has become a fixture at recent right-wing rallies decked out in his signature attire

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2021/01/07/TELEMMGLPICT000248114888_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqgsaO8 O78rhmZrDxTlQBjdNnB9MAT9YfIMANa-NXqWH4.jpeg?imwidth=960

Jake Angeli: The 'QAnon shaman' from Arizona at the heart of the riot

I won't post the link they want you to subscribe, but he's just an actor :oops:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:20 PM

There you go.
Looking to write a book and get a movie deal no doubt.
15 minutes of Fame.

Wolferz

01-07-21, 03:20 PM

Elaine Chao resigned.
She's also known as Mrs Mitch McConnell.

ET2SN

01-07-21, 03:25 PM

Elaine Chao resigned.
She's also known as Mrs Mitch McConnell.

Have you ever played Whack-a-squirrel? :haha:

bstanko6

01-07-21, 03:27 PM

ET2SN

01-07-21, 03:29 PM

There you go.
Looking to write a book and get a movie deal no doubt.
15 minutes of Fame.

I'd be happy if he got to experience a brief free fall before he felt the tug of justice. :yeah:

I hope the blind fold doesn't smear his make up.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:29 PM

So. 13 days till exchange of power.
Any predictions?

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:32 PM

bstanko6

01-07-21, 03:33 PM

Predictions?

China begins screwing us economically again, and congress gets their kickbacks.

10 million immigrants are granted into our fold, and that is where we get another terrorist attack, false flag...

And that flag is used against Syria or North Korea... my bet is we move against Syria.

So there... Great Depression, terrorist attack, and unnecessary conflict. The way of the true politician!

bstanko6

01-07-21, 03:35 PM

ET2SN

01-07-21, 03:40 PM

She was ex-Air Force, which means she swore an oath to protect the nation before she tried to destroy it.

At best I give it a :shrug: .

Mr Quatro

01-07-21, 03:42 PM

So. 13 days till exchange of power.
Any predictions?

I was hesitate to share this at first, but Christmas day the Lord said, "Something will happen in the next (20) days" = January 14th :o

Pat Robertson said that there would be two attempts on President Trumps life before the November 3rd National Election and he also prophesied riots too, but he probably thought they would be left wing riots not right wing riots. :yep:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:44 PM

I was hesitate to share this at first, but Christmas day the Lord said, "Something will happen in the next (20) days" = January 14th :o

I didn't get that memo.
:hmmm:

mapuc

01-07-21, 03:47 PM

Dowly

01-07-21, 03:47 PM

Great Depression, terrorist attack, and unnecessary conflict.George W Bush wasn't on the ballot. :hmmm:

bstanko6

01-07-21, 03:49 PM

ET2SN...
Are you serious!

You are a lunatic!

You are a sad human being.

If she was black and attempting to kill a cop, you would be outraged!

She was PROTESTING!!!!!!

No one was hurt, or killed, or burned anything down!!!

She was killed for expressing herself you sick person!

They weren’t BLM or antifa!

Have more dignity

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:52 PM

I agree with Jeff-Groves in his statement, that this wasn't a coup.

I know the politician in and outside USA and the media call it a coup. An attempted coup.

I'm questioning it-Was it by definition a coup ?

Markus
Depends on who says it was an attempted coup.
Heck.
It could be called a Terrorist attack, a domestic violence indecent, a riot, a failed insurrection, etc.
Depends on the slant you want to sell.

mapuc

01-07-21, 03:53 PM

^^ So the information that 4 people have died due to this demonstration which went to far-is not true.

Markus

bstanko6

01-07-21, 03:54 PM

A coup is violent. These people were protesting.

Taking over a police department in Portland, and destroying evidence for rape victims is more a coup if you ask me. But I use the term loosely of course.

Skybird

01-07-21, 03:55 PM

Depends on the slant you want to sell.
Very much and increasingly in this thread depends on the slant that YOU want to sell.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:55 PM

I don't know why or the circumstances behind her death.
I do mourn for her death though.
What I saw on TV did not call for deadly force.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 03:56 PM

Thank you for saying that Jeff Groves. You’re the one person who while I don’t agree with, at least has some more tact and is more dignified.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 03:57 PM

^^ So the information that 4 people have died due to this demonstration which went to far-is not true.

Markus

3 deaths are listed as health problems.
Not deadly force.

skidman

01-07-21, 03:59 PM

And as I predicted in my last post... nobody cares or wants to talk about this! LOL!!!! We suck as a people!

One witness told WUSA9 that Babbitt was trying to “rush” the window. “A number of police and Secret Service were saying ‘Get back, get down, get out of the way,’” he said. “She didn’t heed the call and as we kind of raced up to grab people and pull them back, they shot her in the neck.”

A dangerous criminal died, cause she refused to respect the rules. Law and order enforced.

According to Babbitt’s social media accounts, she supported the violent pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory. In total, she sent 21 tweets referencing the QAnon slogan, starting in February 2020. She also appeared to embrace conspiracy theories that hospitals are claiming fake coronavirus patients.

The world is a better place without her.

Sund, the Capitol Police chief, said at least 50 officers from Capitol and D.C. police forces were injured, including several who were hospitalized.

Your colleagues.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-woman-shot-six-hospitalized-as-trump-loving-mob-swarms-capitol

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 04:02 PM

Thank you for saying that Jeff Groves. You’re the one person who while I don’t agree with, at least has some more tact and is more dignified.
Anyone killed in a situation such as this should be givin respect.
I don't feel taking another humans life is anything to make light of or use it as fodder for arguments.

You and I may not agree. And that's OK!

Skybird

01-07-21, 04:10 PM

Anyone motivating people to bring themselves into a situation like this, deserves no respect.

Anyone motivating people to follow confused conspiracy theories, QAnon, The Wild Boys, rightist extremism, overthrowing an election be the use of force, deserves no respect.

Anyone trivialising Trumpism, and white supremacism, is as guilty, guilty and is a complice.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 04:13 PM

She was a veteran. Who better to share their expression through protest!

.

Wolferz

01-07-21, 04:18 PM

Fox News made it.
Trump added the secret ingredient.
:doh::doh::doh::doh:

August

01-07-21, 04:19 PM

I'd be happy if he got to experience a brief free fall before he felt the tug of justice. :yeah:

I hope the blind fold doesn't smear his make up.

I'd rather see him act his way out of years of prison rape scenes.
:har:

:har: Well aren't you two a real he man pair of would be bad ass killers.

Personally i'd like to see those who wish death and violence upon others for what is little more than the crime of trespassing get a taste of their own prescription. :yeah:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 04:19 PM

The world is a better place without her.

Wow.
So another steps forward as Judge, Juror, and potential Executioner after the fact.

Had I been on site and ordered to do so? I'd have opened fire with no regrets as to doing my Duty.

Would I step up and say "They deserved to die!"

No.
Did the people I did kill deserve to die? I never believed that and don't to this day. That keeps me sane.

It's easy to say 'kill that whatever"
Ask those who have had to do just that how it really feels.
What type dreams they have. How it affects everyday of their lives.

It's oh so easy to say "I'd do it!"
It's not so easy to live with.

vienna

01-07-21, 04:20 PM

"Corporate group urges officials consider Trump's removal 'to preserve democracy'"

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of a major U.S. business group that represents 14,000 companies including Exxon Mobil Corp, Pfizer Inc and Toyota Motor Corp urged senior U.S. officials to consider removing President Donald Trump from office after supporters of the outgoing president stormed the U.S. Capitol."

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-companies/update-3-corporate-group-urges-officials-consider-trumps-removal-to-preserve-democracy-idUSL1N2JH2YD

Exxon Mobil .. sure they must be antifa or communists, working for Biden to kill the oil industry :doh:

Whenever I see, hear, or read about groups or individuals who are normally associated with viewpoints generally perceived as 'establishment' or 'conservative' seemingly taking a strong, public stand against an 'establishment', 'conservative' presidential administration and/or its policies and/or ideals, I am reminded of what happened after the Kent State killings in 1970, when the Ohio National guard gunned down student anti-Vietnam War protesters; there was a massive tidal swing by persons and entities tthat had previously wholeheartedly supported the was and Nixon against both the war and the President; it was the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back"; I recall listening to the radio news reports here in LA about all the very strange changes that suddenly happened; the then ultra-conservative, rich, white University of Southern California, not at all a hot bed of student protest (in LA, that title went to UCLA), immediately got active in organizing against the war; the university radio station began collaborating with their counterparts at arch-rival UCLA to aid in coordinating the protests following the Kent State killings; I particularly remember the students who ran the switchboards and manned the recruiting tables being stunned when hardhat construction workers from the nearby downtown and business executives alike showed up amongst the expected student and other young people signing up to aid the protests; the reason given by those fathers who signed up was simple: they either had children who were at universities and colleges and they feared for their safety and there were fathers who had sons who were in the military, many of them in Vietnam, who feared for their sons safety, and both those sets of fathers knew that ending the war was the quickest way to end the killing of their kids; the war had become unbearably senseless and party politics and/or political philosophies were no longer able to justify support of a patently false narrative from Washington DC. it took the killing of those students to wake up the US to see the emperor had no clothes...

The lawless siege of the Capitol 6 Jan seems to be the straw that has broken the back of GOP and conservative complacency about the insane and idiotic behavior of Queen Trump; from Trump's "Braveheart' wannabe moment on Wednesday morning when he went out and rallied his 'troops' and exhorted them to a frenzy (note along the way that, although he hinted that he would 'be there' with them, he was noticeably absent and hunkered down in his bunker while they took the brunt for his exhortations) to the mealy-mouthed, self-serving shell of a human, standing there looking like, oh, how to put it, - "weak", "pathetic", "disgusting", - and acting like a baby, while making his statement after the riot, again whining about his insane claims of 'victory', there was very little the GOP could do to undo the damage Trump has now inflicted on the party; the now own Trump fully and they are looking at a long, long period of major damage control in the near and far future; if they thought the uphill slog was tough after Nixon and Watergate, they just now are approaching the foothills of an Everest of a slog...

Some of the Trump apologists/loyalist will, no doubt, whine and whimper and moan about how those how have now turned their backs on the whole Trump fiasco are "traitors" or "RINOs" or fair-weather fellows, but, truth be told, an awful lot of them really put up with a lot of abuse, more than most would reasonably tolerate, to back the play of Trump, and he has repaid them by crapping all over what they would normally be trying to uphold as decent American values and, like Howard Beale, they are "as mad as hell and they are not going to take it anymore"...

Why are the corporations and business groups now publicly coming out very publicly and calling for the immediate removal of Trump? they realize, much like the fathers of those slaughtered students in 1970, that the party, both politically and as as an individual, 'running' things in the Oval office has gone beyond the pale and now presents a "clear and present danger" to the country and its interests, not to mention the businesses' interests, and the idea of having that idiotic whack job calling the shots for the next two weeks is something they would rather not have to deal with; given how erratic, nonsensical,unhinged, and perilous Trump's behavior has been over the past fours years, and given how that behavior has not attenuated but has only grown worse in that time, can it reasonably and sanely be assumed a cornered, besieged, and wholly unpredictable Trump will lay low and do nothing for the next two weeks? That with the power, which he has recklessly weilded in the past, won't become his 'final refuge' and that he will attempt to do something to assure that if he goes down he will take his 'enemies' (which, at this point, is his own party, his own apointess, and the rest of us who aren't kissing his keister) with him? he is in the position of being able to do a lot of very, very serious damage in the time he has leeft and that is why extraordinary efforts must be made to assure he is blocked in his final desth throes from hurting this counrty and its citizens...

I'm kinda hoping the few adults in Trump's administartion will take a page from the palybook of those who were aroung Nixon at the end of his admninistartion: when Nixon began to descend into severe depression and drink, he, at one point, ordered, for no particular good reason, that the nuclear assests of the US be putting on war footing against the USSR; the Pentagon chiefs, alarmed at the order, went to Secretary of Stae Kissinger, who cancelled the order on his own authority, and they all decided to put in place a means of derailing any lunatic decisions Nixon might make as he deteriorated; Kissinger directed that any orders given by Nixon must first be submitted to the Secretary of State or to a few selected delegates to be vetted before they were acted upon; forutnately, Nixon's remaining time was brief and his condtion prevented him from doing any possible further damage; we can only hope someone is doing something in the White House to keep the madman away from the buttons...

Once the two weeks have passed, we can all look forward to not having to be conncerned about the rantings of Trump becoming the policy of the US; he will be gone, into the hands of the courts, and on the way to being forgotten; one thing has been fully learned the emperor has no clothes and, by God, he is fugly...

<O>

ET2SN

01-07-21, 04:22 PM

ET2SN...
Are you serious!

Unfortunately, I am.
I also swore an oath in order to wear the uniform. You don't get debriefed from the oath after you leave the service. :up:

I would be just as much of a traitor as they are if I agreed with them or tried to figure out an escape clause. This isn't jay walking or venting frustrations. This is trying to destroy the nation. :yep:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 04:22 PM

Well aren't you two a real he man pair of would be bad ass killers.

You have no real information on my past.
:har:

u crank

01-07-21, 04:23 PM

The world is a better place without her.

You should delete that and you should be ashamed of yourself.

August

01-07-21, 04:24 PM

You have no real information on my past.
:har:

It wasn't your past that I was talking about.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 04:27 PM

“They tried to destroy the nation”

My friend you are an idiot!

Joe Retarden is in...

You will now know what destruction is for the next 4 years.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 04:31 PM

It wasn't your past that I was talking about.

You said
"Well aren't you two a real he man pair of would be bad ass killers."

Explain how you didn't mean me then?

Skybird

01-07-21, 04:31 PM

Trump wants to pardon himself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html

And while many RINOs distance themselves from Trump now, they still refuse to get rid of him. Their distancing thus means nothing, is just babble, moved air, and sound. Also, still over a hundred of these minions supported calls yesterday to nullify several state election outcomes.

Mades with binders.

ET2SN

01-07-21, 04:34 PM

:har: Well aren't you two a real he man pair of would be bad ass killers.

Uh huh, and why weren't YOU in D.C. yesterday, Mr. Action Man? Mr. Tough Guy? :haha:

At least I believe in something. :up:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 04:36 PM

At least I believe in something. :up:
Me to.
I believe I'll have another beer.
:D

skidman

01-07-21, 04:38 PM

Would I step up and say "They deserved to die!"

No.

Well, I did not say that. Try to be accurate when accusing somebody of something. I'm not shedding a tear, that's all.

skidman

01-07-21, 04:42 PM

You should delete that and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm not and I see absolutely no reason to be ashamed. Criminals get shot. Face it.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 04:44 PM

Well, I did not say that. Try to be accurate when accusing somebody of something. I'm not shedding a tear, that's all.

"The world is a better place without her."

Says all I need to know.

u crank

01-07-21, 04:47 PM

I'm not and I see absolutely no reason to be ashamed. Criminals get shot. Face it.

And here I thought you were one of the more compassionate types.

Excuse me.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 04:51 PM

"Very much and increasingly in this thread depends on the slant that YOU want to sell."

What a GREAT response.
If there was a point? I must admit I missed it.
Probably because I'm expecting a wall of text from you on anything
that mostly blurs stuff so bad you can't comprehend what the heck you meant to say to began with. I mean like links to crazy stuff and mis-translated BS along with mispelt words.
:nope:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 04:54 PM

I'm not and I see absolutely no reason to be ashamed. Criminals get shot. Face it.
And how many lives have you taken in the line of Duty?
Have you ever looked someone in the eyes as you pulled the trigger and watched the round take their life?
I doubt it. It's not an easy job like playing a video Game and being all bad.

mapuc

01-07-21, 04:55 PM

I'm counting down

Not to the time Trump is removed or impeached.

But the time when Neal or Jim close this thread.

Markus

bstanko6

01-07-21, 05:00 PM

Mapuc...

So you want hinder free speech?

You are a Biden supporter!

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 05:00 PM

I'm counting down

Not to the time Trump is removed or impeached.

But the time when Neal or Jim close this thread.

Markus

I agree with you.

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 05:01 PM

Mapuc...

So you want hinder free speech?

You are a Biden supporter!
He don't even live in the USA.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 05:07 PM

Even better Jeff! A communist that wants to hush up Americans!

Right on schedule.

Torvald Von Mansee

01-07-21, 05:08 PM

Hey, guise, what's going on in this thread?:k_confused:

Buddahaid

01-07-21, 05:10 PM

Airing laundry.

Torvald Von Mansee

01-07-21, 05:10 PM

Even better Jeff! A communist that wants to hush up Americans!

Is that anything like trying to overturn a sort-of-democratic election?

mapuc

01-07-21, 05:13 PM

Even better Jeff! A communist that wants to hush up Americans!

Right on schedule.

I am not a communist or a nazist and I have the standpoint not to tell people in other countries how they shall run the business in their country.

Markus

August

01-07-21, 05:13 PM

Uh huh, and why weren't YOU in D.C. yesterday, Mr. Action Man? Mr. Tough Guy? :haha:

At least I believe in something. :up:

Why are you calling me those names? You're the one making violent statements. Is it a habit?

August

01-07-21, 05:16 PM

You said
"Well aren't you two a real he man pair of would be bad ass killers."

Explain how you didn't mean me then?

You're right. You're the would be bad ass rapist voyeur, it's ET2SN that's the would be killer.

Wolferz

01-07-21, 05:20 PM

August

01-07-21, 05:23 PM

I am not a communist or a nazist and I have the standpoint not to tell people in other countries how they shall run the business in their country.

Markus

I would like to say that you have never shown yourself to be either Markus and definitely don't deserve to be called those names. Also I for one appreciate and share your viewpoint on lecturing others about their business. Too bad some others here don't also hold to those values.

skidman

01-07-21, 05:29 PM

And here I thought you were one of the more compassionate types.

Excuse me.

Well, you always insist it's facts we should rely on. Here we go.

Babbitt broke the law, she refused to follow officers orders. She was looking down the barrel of a gun. She still refused.

Babbit was part of a movement that disrespects the outcome of an election she did not like. She was disrespecting the rules of a country I'm sure she would claim to love dearly.

Babbit helped to spread lies and hate speech. She was part of a network that slowly but surely will undermine the foundations of society. When it comes to QAnon it's not about right or wrong. These people are really dangerous.

We will never share the same opinions, that's all right. I always respected your view, because at least you are interested in exchanging arguments. Sure you can be bullheaded and one-sided at times, but that's OK cause I am too.

The death of Babbitt will be exploited. She will be the first martyr of the right-wing nut-heads. We are witnesses of the birth of a myth. It's very dangerous looking at her death only from an emotional perspective. And I cannot accept you putting me in the wrong drawer for not doing so.

Skybird

01-07-21, 05:31 PM

When met with a slight breeze.
In the grand scheme of things, that is what this was a slight breeze on Trump's base, The rest of his house was loosely stacked cards just begging to be toppled.
Trump voice:
"It was a beautiful house. Just beautiful. Really really beautiful and strong. So strong."
:doh:
ROTFLMAO!!!I am telling this since months if not years. Everybody thinking it will be over when Trump leaves the office, will eat his thoughts.

Seeds have been sown. They will not go unsown all by themselves. Yesterdsay, a small handful of corns popped up. But there is a full field with freshly sown seeds on fertile grounds.

Trump knows exactly why he did what he did. His heritage will still live when the man already is buried.

Difficult to believe that after the past 5-6 years people still underestimate him. He is mad, he has a serious personality disorder, and he is a antisocial psychopath, yes, all true. Still, he lives by his instincts, not by his intellect which is clearly deficitary. And his instincts, unhampered by ethical inhibations and moral pollution from humanistic education, are what make him the beast that he is. He is an alien chest buster in the republican party's chest. And the party still does not dare to move because moving hurts.

Better just drink another glass of water and get some more rest. Then it goes over all by itself.

Which actually is correct.

u crank

01-07-21, 05:31 PM

we can only hope someone is doing something in the White House to keep the madman away from the buttons...

You don't really believe that Trump or any President can just start pushing buttons on his own do you?

As the President elect likes to say ... Come on man. :03:

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 05:37 PM

You're right. You're the would be bad ass rapist voyeur.

Now that is Funny as all heck!
:har:

Actually I wouldn't enjoy seeing it. But would enjoy knowing it happened.
So I do have a sick part of me.

mapuc

01-07-21, 05:40 PM

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 05:42 PM

Depends on the charges they face and how their Lawyers plead it down.
I don't think we'll see Insanity as a plea.

u crank

01-07-21, 05:42 PM

It's very dangerous looking at her death only from an emotional perspective.

I don't think I am doing that. Regardless of what you or I think about her political affiliations she was a human being. Sorry but I don't think you should have put it the way you did. It seems to me it could have remained unsaid and then I would have a better opinion of you.

And I cannot accept you putting me in the wrong drawer for not doing so.

Well I am sorry about that as well.

Catfish

01-07-21, 05:53 PM

As Neal said it is better to go away and sleep, to come back a bit less "loaded", emotionally i mean.
Or drink a glass of water and go to bed.
Or.. :hmmm:
Me to.
I believe I'll have another beer. :D
I'm a believer!

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 05:54 PM

It's very dangerous looking at her death only from an emotional perspective.
I'm not sure how it could not be emotional.

Yes. She should not be made a Martyr for a really stupid cause.
That would be like being the last Clown in Barnum and Bailey killing kids over the Circus shutting down and expecting things to change.

Sorry Folks! This Circus is shut down and a life was wasted for the next performance of the Clowns.

skidman

01-07-21, 06:00 PM

Sorry but I don't think you should have put it the way you did.

OK, accepted. I must admit I was triggered by someone who wrote "She was white."

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 06:02 PM

I don't think there's an American here that agrees with what happened in DC.
Be it a Voyeuristic Butt Rape watcher or Pretend He-Man.

u crank

01-07-21, 06:05 PM

OK, accepted. I must admit I was triggered by someone who wrote "She was white."

Ok we are good. :salute:

mapuc

01-07-21, 06:11 PM

I don't think there's an American here that agrees with what happened in DC.
Be it a Voyeuristic Butt Rape watcher or Pretend He-Man.

This made me remember what they said in the news earlier today.

1 out of 5 Americans approved this action who toke place yesterday.

Markus

bstanko6

01-07-21, 06:11 PM

I do agree about what happened in the capital.

It’s why there is a 2nd amendment and the phrase “to alter or abolish” exist in our constitution.

Our forefathers basically set up a king of the hill scenario. And it’s written right there in black-and-white.

If the people will to change their government and how it’s run even for elections, they should be allowed to do it.

This is why the Civil War occurred in the 1800s. One side believe one thing, the other side believe another. They fight over it and now it’s over and settled. That is how democracy is.

Buddahaid

01-07-21, 06:12 PM

At least one out of five Americans believe the world is flat.

ET2SN

01-07-21, 06:14 PM

All I'm saying is that the old school Republicans knew how to deal with this garbage. :up:

http://firsttoknow.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Photos-of-Lincoln-Conspirators-Execution.png

Gorpet

01-07-21, 06:15 PM

Some Warbirds on here have forgotten the oath they took. So let me refresh their memory, United States Military Oath is as follows.

I do solemnly swear that i will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that i will obey the orders of the President of the United states and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Just to remind you War Fighters and Killers there is a domestic part in this oath.
Now that your are not serving in our military. I guess you can choose sides.

August

01-07-21, 06:16 PM

At least one out of five Americans (if you can believe the published numbers) thought that Biden would make a better President.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 06:20 PM

“Support and defend the constitution”

Correct. I support and defend a people’s right to alter.... or abolish the government!

Written by our forefathers.

Dowly

01-07-21, 06:21 PM

bstanko6

01-07-21, 06:23 PM

It’s written in the constitution

You can insult and be a terrible person.

Doesn’t change the truth

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 06:25 PM

I do solemnly swear that i will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that i will obey the orders of the President of the United states and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Just to remind you War Fighters and Killers there is a domestic part in this oath.
Now that your are not serving in our military. I guess you can choose sides.

I don't need to choose a side. "all enemies, foreign and domestic"
I see no enemies. I see deluded, misguided idiots probably hoping for a few minutes of YouTube fame.

What do you consider a Killer or a WarBird?
Do you call our Vets that served Killers and WarBirds?
Do or did you serve in any way?

Now before you ask? Yes. I am a taker of Human life. That was my job and I was good at it.

ET2SN

01-07-21, 06:31 PM

I don't think she agrees with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQ4P9NcvKo

bstanko6

01-07-21, 06:32 PM

No one in power will ever agree with me or anyone who thinks like me.

Again, why our forefathers put that in the constitution

u crank

01-07-21, 06:39 PM

No one in power will ever agree with me or anyone who thinks like me.

Again, why our forefathers put that in the constitution

And when you're in power and someone wants to remove you from power. What then? There is a reason why your Republic was set up the way it is. And it wasn't to have the kind of nonsense that took place in DC be the norm. Don't like the way things are ... run for office.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 06:42 PM

U Crank...

The people are in charge in this county.

It’s written in the constitution.

There is no argument.

What happened yesterday was a protest. They were taking selfies in the chambers.

If the people want to take over, trust me it would be a different outcome.

Alter or abolish are definitive. Not for debate.

Dowly

01-07-21, 06:45 PM

It’s written in the constitution

You can insult and be a terrible person.

Doesn’t change the truth
It's written in the declaration of independence and there's some context surrounding it. You probably should know this. I'm not surprised you don't.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 06:48 PM

Yes I read it. It’s clear.

Some people think the government has become dangerous through this election.

Last 4 years people have been showing their disdain by killing innocent people and burning down their cities.

But some are looking to the legitimacy of this government... and have a right to do so.

mapuc

01-07-21, 06:48 PM

< Every person has the right to speak and demonstrate.

The different was that a huge group of these demonstrator crossed a red line.

I'm pretty sure that a majority of the Americans would not prevent these Trump supporters they lawful right to demonstrate.

Markus

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 06:50 PM

The idiots may have their moment in the Worlds view.
Should they take it beyond reason for the REAL Americans?
Then the World would be shook.

There is a reason some say Yamamoto said
"There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Totally not proven that was ever said but you get the idea.

Some Guy wearing a Buffalo skin and really bad choices of Tattoos makes a tempting target.

Gorpet

01-07-21, 06:55 PM

I have a question about your laws.

68 has so far been arrested and more will follow.

Which law will the authorities use-when these people is prosecuted ?

How long prison time will those who are found guilty get ?

Markus

Well if they get bailed out quickly they just might be Antifi Infiltrators sent in to start the whole thing. Let's wait and see what comes out in the wash.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 06:57 PM

Gorpet...

Agreed!

Dowly

01-07-21, 07:01 PM

Wait, so they were antifa?! Holy crap!.. but wait.. weren't they just protesting? So.. they were antifa, but were not actually doing anything wrong?

Guys, I'm starting to get confused here. :doh:

skidman

01-07-21, 07:03 PM

Well if they get bailed out quickly they just might be Antifi Infiltrators sent in to start the whole thing. Let's face it the rat's are better organized than your everyday working Trump supporters.And turning the other cheek has its consequences.

Wow, just wow. The highest possible level of absurdity has just been reached. Spectacular!

u crank

01-07-21, 07:07 PM

The people are in charge in this county.

It’s written in the constitution.

Yea but there is a technicality to it. The people elect other people and delegate to them the authority to be in charge. It is an ordered and legal process. Mess with that and you're in banana republic territory.

What happened yesterday was a protest. They were taking selfies in the chambers.

Was that before or after the woman was shot?

If the people want to take over, trust me it would be a different outcome.

You better hope it doesn't come to that. Everybody should.

bstanko6

01-07-21, 07:11 PM

Under the Harris administration... this scene holds so true!

https://youtu.be/Hm8I8X_jQIE

Jeff-Groves

01-07-21, 07:16 PM

ET2SN

01-07-21, 07:56 PM

Wait, so they were antifa?! Holy crap!.. but wait.. weren't they just protesting? So.. they were antifa, but were not actually doing anything wrong?

Guys, I'm starting to get confused here. :doh:

I'm wondering if this wasn't the dreaded White ANTIFA or possibly Shape Shifters controlled by the lizard men from the basement of a pizza parlor? :hmmm:

'Cuz that would be really bad. :o

Wolferz

01-07-21, 07:57 PM

I still think back to the Vice Presidential debate between VP Pence and now VP elect Kamala Harris.
When Pence tried to bolster his boss' message and ol' Mikee suffered a freudian slip and referred to President Trump as President Dump.:salute:
Dump just keeps stepping in his own defecations and wipes his shoes off on Mike Pence' trouser legs.

You guys keep on fighting it out in this thread while I go ponder which federal country club Trump will be playing golf at next.
Cya in four years. If I live that long.

:Kaleun_Salute:

vienna

01-07-21, 08:04 PM

You don't really believe that Trump or any President can just start pushing buttons on his own do you?

As the President elect likes to say ... Come on man. :03:

Ooh, touchy touchy... :haha:

Note I said "buttons" and not "The Button"; you know, there more than one kinds of buttons in the White House, and in the government; when I made that remark, I was thinking more in the context of Trump being like a petulant child or, perhaps, a vindictive lunatic, and allowing someone like that to continue unattenuated in the possibility of malicious misuse of those powers and privileges; Trump still as, for all intents and purposes, a whole, wide, and very concerning, range of things he can heavy-handely screw up, perhaps just to show he can, or just to spite his imagined foes; his judgement, or lack thereof has always been an issue, even in his business life and his idiotic appearance at a rally to exhort his followers on Wednesday morning just prior to the riot is a prime example...

Take, for instance this: several people on this thread have stated or made allusion to the claim that Trump is a 'great president' because he hasn't gotten us into a shooting war, although it is well known that he has made rumblings in meetings with his advisers of initiating military action against North Korea and Iran, and according to one report, even some sort of military activity against China in an attempt to bolster his failed tariff policy; fortunately there were a few level headed adults in the room able to sway Trump from any action that would have disastrous implication for national security; but, now, there is Trump, grousing and pouting in the Oval Office, and he is looking for a quick way to make himself seem powerful and in charge as his pathetic con game comes to an inglorious end; well, history has shown that megalomaniacs in power have often resorted to costly and unnecessary military action to bolster their image; what makes you, or anyone, for that matter, seriously think that a desperate, unstable personality like Trump wouldn't, under any circumstances, if left to his own devises, be capable of doing something as rash as instigate a senseless military action just to salve his own ego, particularly when, at this point, he really has nothing to lose; and if you doubt that it could happen there's this:

Trump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop Its Growing Nuclear Program --

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/us/politics/trump-iran-nuclear.html

A Very Trumpian Christmas Surprise? Signs Point to a Possible US Attack on Iran --

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-iran-attack/

The only thing that has stopped Trump until now is adult supervision; what happens if a sulking petulant Trump decides to ignore the few smart, rational, people around and decides to go out in a blaze of "presidential glory"..?...

...and its not just the possibility of military action to be concerned about: Trump has shown a proclivity for exercising his powers, even powers he assumes but does not have, a la his mass of Executive Orders, and there is a lot of damage he could do in a couple of weeks to the economy, public safety, governmental stability, etc. There's an awful, awful lot of buttons that could be pushed in two weeks, not just "the Button"...

...admint it; Ya Canucks are secretly hoping the Lower 48 is going to implode just so you can take over and live in better climates without having to wage war... :03:

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Wolferz

01-07-21, 08:06 PM

Trump has finally conceded the election.
Changing his tune to the peaceful transition of power to Joe Biden.

Too little too late Donnie boy.
Have fun in prison.

PS:
My condolences to the families of those who lost their lives in the mob action on the capitol.
Though I think those families may be thinking,
"Good riddance to bad rubbish"

August

01-07-21, 08:12 PM

I thought this article was very thought provoking and comprehensive. I don't agree with all of his ideas and conclusions, but it's completely unbiased in that left and right are treated equally harshly. It should make a good read by both sides of the forum although you all might wince once and awhile. I did. Hard to argue with some of his conclusions though. Our foreign commentator contingent will surely get something to feel superior over as well. I look forward to mostly ignoring or mocking their condescending remarks over passages i'm sure they'll find particularly amusing.

The Five Crises of the American Regime

The mob assault on the Capitol is simply another entry in the catalog of American decline

byMichael Lind
(https://www.tabletmag.com/contributors/michael-lind)January 07, 2021

In the last eight months, two Capitol Hills have fallen. Two shocking events symbolize the abdication of authority by America’s ruling class, an abdication that has led to what can be described, not without exaggeration, as the slow-motion disintegration of the United States of America in its present form.The first occurred on June 8, 2020, when the Seattle police evacuated their East Precinct building in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Left-wing rioters stormed the police headquarters and looted it. For 24 days, Seattle’s government allowed would-be revolutionaries to create an anarchist commune, acting out the fantasy of “abolishing the police” embraced by much of the American left as well as liberals who should have known better. This anarchist commune, created in the midst of nationwide protests against the death on May 25 of a Black Minnesotan, George Floyd, in police custody, was the scene of the fatal shootings of two Black men before the police finally shut it down on July 1.

On January 6, 2021, America’s elite abandoned another Capitol Hill to rioters. After President Donald Trump stirred them up in an incendiary address in which he claimed that Joe Biden had stolen the presidency from him, a mob of right-wing radicals broke into the United States Capitol, where the certification of the results of last November’s election results was taking place. Like the leaders of Seattle in June, America’s congressional leaders abandoned their posts and fled. In the ensuring chaos, the Trumpist rioters, mostly men wearing MAGA hats or more exotic outfits, posed for selfies in the well of the House chamber or in the legislative offices they broke into. Shots were fired, fatally killing a woman. Three others died as a result of “medical emergencies (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-supporters-us-capitol-4-dead/).” As in Seattle’s Capitol Hill, so in America’s: The forces of legitimate authority and coercive order for a period were nowhere to be seen.

What is the meaning of these dystopian scenes? Many Democrats claim that Republicans are destroying the republic. Many Republicans claim the reverse. They are both correct.
The leaders of both parties have weaponized anarchic mobs against their rivals—the Democrats, by tacitly encouraging and bailing out foundation-funded NGO staffers with secret identities and superhero-style Antifa outfits during the tolerated anti-Trump riots of Summer 2020, and now the squalid, defeated demagogue Donald Trump, unleashing his own costumed followers on the U.S. Capitol itself. As a rule, comparisons between the United States and Weimar Germany or late republican Rome are misleading, but when rival elite political factions tolerate or encourage mob violence in the streets, the comparisons might be forgiven.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/american-crises-capitol-assault

vienna

01-07-21, 08:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7v-NguZgLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpUxQyLCBbk

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Gorpet

01-07-21, 08:48 PM

I don't need to choose a side. "all enemies, foreign and domestic"
I see no enemies. I see deluded, misguided idiots probably hoping for a few minutes of YouTube fame.

What do you consider a Killer or a WarBird?
Do you call our Vets that served Killers and WarBirds?
Do or did you serve in any way?

Now before you ask? Yes. I am a taker of Human life. That was my job and I was good at it.

Warbirds an Affectionate name for my military friends at the VFW. Killers well they are who they are.And we have the ones who have served and have acquired enough knowledge about the military branch they served in they can run lines of bull****. They also like to Brag. If your a combat soldier you have been taught to kill. Thus you are in fact a Killer when the call of duty comes.And afterwards you have killed what does that make you? This statement i'm a taker of Human life. Ok if you say so i don't know your past but it will be with a grain of salt.

Have i served no. A shattered left wrist and a broken right left leg in a motorcycle accident at 17 cut my military career. But i do have 3 nephews that have survived the war's after 9/11 2 of them are Killers they don't brag about it. They grew up in those damn war's and came home to a new one the politicians created for them right here. To them all Politicians are the domestic enemy. They still believe in their oath's .

u crank

01-07-21, 08:56 PM

The only thing that has stopped Trump until now is adult supervision; what happens if a sulking petulant Trump decides to ignore the few smart, rational, people around and decides to go out in a blaze of "presidential glory"..?...

Don't think so. The adult supervision is now on DEFCON 1. Trump is a twitch away from the 25th Amendment and he knows it.

Nah I think it is over. No one is going to listen to or do anything he tells them to if it even remotely sounds bad or dangerous. They would simply resign as some have already done. Or leak it to the media. Same goes for foreign leaders. They will simple wait for two weeks. He's done. The best he can do is probably issue a few more pardons.

Trump has hurt the GOP in many ways with his refusal to accept the election outcome and his meddling in Georgia but there is always a bright side. The threat of Trump running in 2024 is all but gone. The attack ads for the GOP primary all but write themselves. That guy with the horns would be a star.:D

People will get over it and Dems the best weapon for 2024 will no longer exist. Everybody wins.

Now in the key of C ... everybody ...Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya..:O:

bstanko6

01-07-21, 08:57 PM

Don’t worry folks. President Harris will do exactly what we all know will happen...

She will destroy the country with social programs so those that refuse to work, can go forever living off of tax payers like me. Division in race. Fears of police brutality statistics that are insanely low. Which is funny, because she has locked up more African Americans and destroyed their futures than most plantations in the 1800s.

And the media will make her look awesome as the market crashes, terrorist attacks become frequent, and we wage wars on people we have no reason to be in conflict with.

Trump showed me the truth. The truth is these politicians didn’t get here by magic.

They got here because of low educated, sheep herded, idiots like us. We blindly vote in morons because we “feel” instead of thinking of long term goals.

I voted for Trump because our economy was held hostage by foreign powers and big tech.

People vote for Biden because “Orange man bad!” Even when Biden has given us no comprehensive program that will better Trumps... we vote him in. Like clockwork. Sheep being lead.

There was a reason that when the first form of the constitution was made that only landowners could vote. And now I can see why.

I wish all of my citizens good luck for the next 4 years, but luck is a myth. We know what the Dems will do because they’ve done the same thing over and over.

They sheep herd... they herded the slaves. They herded African Americans with Jim Crow. They herded African Americans with gerrymandering. They herded African Americans with ridiculous felonies that exist today to limit the power they can have in the future based on their actions when they are younger.

Agree with me or not. Crack open that... what’s it called, it had a hard surface, and a binding, and usually you carried one in a backpack in school. OH YEAH!!! A history book. It’s all there.

Slavery is still here today in a form of urban developments, welfare, legalized weed (we don’t want a motivated thinker), and affirmative action.

All hypocritical. All meant to control us while the liberal media lulls you to sleep.

Don’t look at the man behind the curtain! Don’t mind the angry crowd that break into capital hill! The crowd of voters that want answers! They are domestic terrorists!

Well if that’s terrorism... it’s membership is more than half the population of this country. Think about that.

No don’t do that! Don’t think! Have more drugs, and weed, and watch Rachel Maddow. Drift to sleep as your economy crumbles, your pay decreases, your benefits disappear. My social security will kick in when I’m 72! Phenomenal!

That’s it, it my almost over now.

What’s the bet? Market crash? Or foreign conflict? Which will start first?

Gorpet

01-07-21, 09:01 PM

Wait, so they were antifa?! Holy crap!.. but wait.. weren't they just protesting? So.. they were antifa, but were not actually doing anything wrong?

Guys, I'm starting to get confused here. :doh:

That is because you don't live in this country. You get your news from a Starlink Satellite.We get no news from your country. Cause it doesn't matter.

Cybermat47

01-07-21, 09:07 PM

Can we all take a moment and discuss the fact that an unarmed female white 14 year Air Force veteran was brutally killed by police and nobody cares or is talking about it in mainstream media?

Did I mention she was white?

That’s your demoncrat party for you! Joe Retarden barely mentioned that in his demented mental state.

Do you understand now why the idea of civil war isn’t, as you said recently, “sweet”? There’s nothing good about this woman’s death and the mental anguish that her friends and family now have to endure.

Violence and killing don’t solve anything in domestic politics. They just tear families apart and cause even more division. And yes, that applies to everyone.

Buddahaid

01-07-21, 09:09 PM

Buddahaid

01-07-21, 09:17 PM

...Well if that’s terrorism... it’s membership is more than half the population of this country. Think about that...

No, I don't think so. That was just the radical fringe and the Republican "sheep" if you want to graze in those pastures.

Trump could have easily won if he hadn't stoked the flames motivating his detractors while alienating the center right.

Gorpet

01-07-21, 09:47 PM

Wow, just wow. The highest possible level of absurdity has just been reached. Spectacular!

Is that the best you got. You will not list where you actually live. All arm chairs do that. :haha:

Mr Quatro

01-07-21, 10:23 PM

Wait, so they were antifa?! Holy crap!.. but wait.. weren't they just protesting? So.. they were antifa, but were not actually doing anything wrong?

Guys, I'm starting to get confused here. :doh:

The people that broke into the capital were already there in front while the peaceful marchers had assembled to hear Trump speak and then they started peacefully walking towards the Capital.

Starting to think that this was a set up :yep:

Buddahaid

01-07-21, 10:40 PM

Think harder. It was a setup alright, and the big DT was behind it. At least your man Pence acted well.

Gorpet

01-08-21, 12:35 AM

Cybermat47

01-08-21, 12:43 AM

A police officer has died of injuries sustained during the capitol incident.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-police/u-s-capitol-police-officer-dies-from-injuries-in-riot-by-trump-supporters-idUSKBN29D0HV

Gorpet

01-08-21, 01:06 AM

Skybird

01-08-21, 01:49 AM

For a few minutes of "fame".

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-riots-people-fired-jobs-trnd/index.html

Better join "RTL Jungle Camp".

Getting new jobs in these Corona times hopefully will prove difficult for many of them. Being occupied with searching for jobs maybe keeps them from getting more stupid ideas on their minds.

Hawk66

01-08-21, 02:02 AM

Trump has hurt the GOP in many ways with his refusal to accept the election outcome and his meddling in Georgia but there is always a bright side. The threat of Trump running in 2024 is all but gone. The attack ads for the GOP primary all but write themselves. That guy with the horns would be a star.:D

People will get over it and Dems the best weapon for 2024 will no longer exist. Everybody wins.

I see it the same way :up:

Skybird

01-08-21, 02:56 AM

From the history book, two days old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ymbqGFWog&feature=emb_logo

Skybird

01-08-21, 03:23 AM

While the carricature of his imploding presidency is adorned by the glow of Ragnarök, Trump suddenly feigns what his lying mouth has to offer. A wolf eats chalk. And carasses his right-wing pack at the same time he "condemns" them. His pretended insight is theatre. His posing as a purified is a lie.

He resembles the owner of vicious Dobermans, who pretends to be purified when he whistles back his pack and is remorseful, but in fact he is proud and pleased that his mutt have bitten so many arms and legs.

An alien chest buster in the torso of the Republican party. The last supper is ready.

Dowly

01-08-21, 04:09 AM

That is because you don't live in this country. You get your news from a Starlink Satellite.We get no news from your country. Cause it doesn't matter.Where I live doesn't matter, I can see all the way from here that you're not 'all there'. There has been no evidence to suggest it was antifa, and I'm not holding my breath to see any in the near future either.

skidman

01-08-21, 05:50 AM

Come on Skidman. Are you in a welfare country that the Trump was going to cut the cash flow from.? Tell us so we can look it up ? Hell as a taxpayer i want to know.Are you just another foreign mouth talkin . Or can you tell me you stand on your own?

When judging other people, especially people I've never met personally, I do not care where they come from, or how much taxes they pay. I judge them by the decency, (social) intelligence, and humor they are showing. So far I've done pretty well with it.

Commander Wallace

01-08-21, 06:43 AM

^ Very well said, Skidman.

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 08:44 AM

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/137276279_459608548539890_7660196633477063621_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=NO2jiaF9L1wAX-7rset&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=9eae13ab05042f2afcf4262d6c6f37c2&oe=601CCD28

Buddahaid

01-08-21, 09:02 AM

So you support the beautiful work we all just witnessed?

Onkel Neal

01-08-21, 09:08 AM

Good read.

Same here, good article.

Once mainstream progressives, adopting the toxic language of the campus left, began absurdly vilifying old-stock white Americans as “settlers,” it was only a matter of time before young white male right-wing radicals began wearing cowboy hats or buckskins in response. The striking photo of a young bare-chested and tattooed male rioter standing in the well of the vacated House, looking like a Germanic barbarian in the ruins of Rome with an animal fur on his head, is the logical result of the escalation of the post-patriotic iconography wars.

This is definitely not "all Trump's fault", he is just a mirror of some of the people. And the other half are not any better.

Cybermat47

01-08-21, 09:20 AM

This was the capital in June. Save me your outrage.

Alternatively... maybe people could just condemn damage to public and innocent private property regardless of who does it?

Our foreign commentator contingent will surely get something to feel superior over as well. I look forward to mostly ignoring or mocking their condescending remarks over passages i'm sure they'll find particularly amusing.

I mean, I’m just going to say that some of those issues are reminiscent of issues in Australian society, such as our ‘History Wars’ over how our colonial past should be remembered, as well as an increasing monopoly on power held by two political parties. So sorry to disappoint you.

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 09:45 AM

Alternatively... maybe people could just condemn damage to public and innocent private property regardless of who does it?

The outrage is from of course...the liberal media, as well as, the liberal left. The outrage that people(aka Trump supporters) invaded a government facility. Yet, no outrage when antifa not only invades but, takes control of federal building(OR) and completely destroys it. And let's not forget the "mostly peaceful protests" as depicted by CNN as a car and building are burning behind him during his broadcast. But these protesters/rioters are depicted as passionate about the issue. The dopes that invaded the Capitol are not impassioned but are raving enemies of the state as far as the media is concerned. In reality, this event is simply an avenue for the media to say, "We told you so.".

Buddahaid

01-08-21, 09:49 AM

Onkel Neal

01-08-21, 09:52 AM

Stolen election? I think Graham explains it pretty well.

https://youtu.be/5SmAfeziSoo?t=107

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 09:52 AM

C'mon, I'm not liberal media and I'm outraged. Why aren't you?

I'm more so outraged by the LACK of planning by the US Capitol police. The Federal government offered assistance days before the event. It was turned down.

Were you outraged at BLM and Antifa destroying DC in June? How about the last 4 years?

vienna

01-08-21, 10:00 AM

Don't think so. The adult supervision is now on DEFCON 1. Trump is a twitch away from the 25th Amendment and he knows it.

Nah I think it is over. No one is going to listen to or do anything he tells them to if it even remotely sounds bad or dangerous. They would simply resign as some have already done. Or leak it to the media. Same goes for foreign leaders. They will simple wait for two weeks. He's done. The best he can do is probably issue a few more pardons.

Trump has hurt the GOP in many ways with his refusal to accept the election outcome and his meddling in Georgia but there is always a bright side. The threat of Trump running in 2024 is all but gone. The attack ads for the GOP primary all but write themselves. That guy with the horns would be a star.:D

People will get over it and Dems the best weapon for 2024 will no longer exist. Everybody wins.

Now in the key of C ... everybody ...Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya..:O:

On the whole, I agree with this, but, remember, things have been moving very, very fast in the current situation; when I made my post, a great many aspects of what exactly was going on, or what may or may not happen, in the White House regarding Trump's possible behavior were yet unknown; the whole thing could have gone another way, and the usual response of "Oh, that could never happen", just doesn't apply when it comes to Trump, as experience has shown; the sheer magnitude of the insanity Trump has leveled on the US Gov't. and the citizens of our country was beyond the imagination of most rational, logical people; that the nation has come to the point where the process of democratic elections has been so compromised, that the notions of what are the "norms" are so, blurred, that the nation's very Capitol building would be besieged by lunatics, that the office of the Presidency would be teetering so close to the option of the 25th Amendment, and so many other lesser, but no less disturbing issues, all are something that, in the beginning, in January 2017, very, very few persons could have foreseen; even Trump's most vocal critics at the beginning didn't raise the specter of the scenario we now face; we are down the rabbit hole nd it is, indeed, "curiouser and curiouser" and, to a disturbing extent, scarier and scarier...

While the White House may be on Defcon 1, the fact remains Trump, as president, still has a wide range of available powers, notably, the power of Executive Orders, something he, and the GOP, reviled and railed against when the power was used by Obama; this power is virtually unchecked and unbounded; the only thing that really checks an EO is the reality of pragmatism, of the reality that of "Can it really be done?"; there are a lot of different little, or seemingly little, things a President can do by an EO that can have broader implications further down the road; Trump has issued a whole slew of EOs and an awful lot of them have had no real life ramifications simply because they were either non-operable in the larger context of the Constitution and/or the law, or they were mainly PR stunt intended to make the Trumpettes think their Fearless Leader was actually doing something, or they were simply the obvious manifestation of the megalomania of a man who really liked the spotlight of having the media record him sitting at his little desk, scrawling his awkward, sprawling signature with his Sharpie, and then holding it up like a kindergartner student saying "Look what I did!!"; EOs can usually only be countered by an action of Congress or a ruling by SCOTUS and, until that happens, the EO in question would still be technically in force and enforceable and require action by the appropriate entities or administrators; in the usual transition of power, it is not uncommon for an outgoing president to make some perfunctory, but mainly symbolic, EOs as a sort of final 'hurrah' or final FY to the incoming administration, occasionally hamstring the new occupant for a while until they can either issue a countermanding EO (with the attending PR implications) or modifying the old EO; its sort of a PITA situation; the EO is just one of the possible "buttons" a President has at his disposal, not just "The Button", as I previously noted...

But, given the wildly irrational nature of the last 4 years of Trump, you have to be leery of what damage he could do in a very brief period; who would of imagined that, in the last 72 or so hours, we would have seen what has transpired so far?; Trump is now cornered animal, a sociopathic cornered animal, and we all know cornered animals are particularly dangerous and unpredictable; while there are a lot of others in the White hose and the GOP who may be in position to attenuate any foreseeable or probable Trump excesses, remember there are those who have Trump's ear, who feed Trump's mania, people like the extreme Stephen Miller, who may egg Trump on to some whacked out 'endgame'; I was personally concerned about what Pence might do, given his outward proclivity to defer to Trump in all matters, but I am encouraged Pence has found, if you will pardon the pun, "religion", and seems to be on board with squashing any attempts at crackpot schemes by Trump:

An 'angry' Pence navigates the fallout of his rupture with Trump over election, Capitol riots --

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/01/08/pences-break-trump-comes-amid-25th-amendment-talk-capitol-riots/6582212002/

The idea of an 'angry' Pence is a bit scary; I've witnessed many times repressed, highly religious people snapping suddenly and lose their cool and it is not a comforting sight; still, if you wanted someone to be a voice for sanity and restraint in a time of madness and wantonness, someone who has practiced restraint as a lifestyle may be who you need...

I'm not fond of the idea of the 25th Amendment or of another impeachment in the waning days; I'm content if they just keep Trump on a short leash, you know, get him a set of colored Sharpies and let him sit at his little desk with some coloring books for the next several days until the real adults take over on 20 Jan; as I've said before, once Trump is gone, as far as I'm concerned, he's done with whatever affect he has on the office of POTUS and the courts can have his sorry ass and the rest of us can go back to some greater degree of sanity and deal with 'normal' problems...

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VipertheSniper

01-08-21, 10:02 AM

The outrage is from of course...the liberal media, as well as, the liberal left. The outrage that people(aka Trump supporters) invaded a government facility. Yet, no outrage when antifa not only invades but, takes control of federal building(OR) and completely destroys it. And let's not forget the "mostly peaceful protests" as depicted by CNN as a car and building are burning behind him during his broadcast. But these protesters/rioters are depicted as passionate about the issue. The dopes that invaded the Capitol are not impassioned but are raving enemies of the state as far as the media is concerned. In reality, this event is simply an avenue for the media to say, "We told you so.".

Whatever the media is reporting, the person who made that tweet(?) is still an idiot, equating the destruction of property in riots, to trying to disenfranchise millions of Americans of their votes, because the election didn't turn out like these people wanted.

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 10:09 AM

Whatever the media is reporting, the person who made that tweet(?) is still an idiot, equating the destruction of property in riots, to trying to disenfranchise millions of Americans of their votes, because the election didn't turn out like these people wanted.

Well ****....was it not just 4 years ago the same thing happened when Hillary lost and the election did not turn out like they wanted???? In fact, it started a crap storm for 4 years of hate from the media, celebrities and those in government(Maxine Waters).

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 10:12 AM

go back to some greater degree of sanity and deal with 'normal' problems...

<O>

Did you stop to think perhaps the insanity is driven by the media and many on Capitol Hill? Did you ever in your life witness the hatred for one individual who is the White House? Truthfully, I'm completely exhausted by it all. :haha:

Just for fun...

"But what has Trump done in the past 4 years?
The "arrogant" in the White House brokered four Middle East Peace Accords, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce.
The "buffoon" in the White House is the first president that has not engaged us in a foreign war since Eisenhower.
The "racist" in the White House has had the greatest impact on the economy, bringing jobs, and lowering unemployment to the Black and Latino population of ANY other president. Ever.
The "liar" in the White House has exposed the deep, widespread, and long-standing corruption in the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Republican and Democratic parties.
The "buffoon" in the White House turned NATO around and had them start paying their dues.
The "fool" in the White House neutralized the North Koreans and stopped them sending missiles toward Japan, and threatening the West Coast of the US.
The "xenophobe" in the White House turned our relationship with the Chinese around, brought hundreds of businesses back to the US, and revived the economy.
This same “clown” lowered your taxes, increased the standard deduction on your IRS return from $12,500 to $24,400 for married couples and caused the stock market to rise to record levels, positively impacting the retirement accounts of tens of millions of citizens.
The “clown” in the White House fast-tracked the development of multiple COVID Vaccines which are now available or will be soon. And yet we still don't have a vaccine for SARS, Bird Flu, Ebola, or a host of diseases that arose during previous administrations.
The “clown” in the White House rebuilt our military which the Obama administration crippled and fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year of office."

les green01

01-08-21, 10:13 AM

enough is enough both parties are responsible for all the protest and rioting been going on for what 4 years i have no problem with protest if peaceful and no damage and major roads not being block by people where a er auto cant get though if they need too help someone this country after all was founded on protest i can't even be on facebook anymore without name calling and being treated like crap including a family member because i voted for someone 74 million people voted for him was there 74 million people there doing it no now since the capital was damage the money going come from taxpayers personly Trump should be made to pay for the damage and far as i can see it he guilty for trying to overthrow the government both parties need to man up stop this bs and do what right for the people and the nation now i think im going stay off the net go fishing or hunting or just do something i want to do

bstanko6

01-08-21, 10:17 AM

Did you stop to think perhaps the insanity is driven by the media and many on Capitol Hill? Did you ever in your life witness the hatred for one individual who is the White House? Truthfully, I'm completely exhausted by it all. :haha:

Just for fun...

"But what has Trump done in the past 4 years?
The "arrogant" in the White House brokered four Middle East Peace Accords, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce.
The "buffoon" in the White House is the first president that has not engaged us in a foreign war since Eisenhower.
The "racist" in the White House has had the greatest impact on the economy, bringing jobs, and lowering unemployment to the Black and Latino population of ANY other president. Ever.
The "liar" in the White House has exposed the deep, widespread, and long-standing corruption in the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Republican and Democratic parties.
The "buffoon" in the White House turned NATO around and had them start paying their dues.
The "fool" in the White House neutralized the North Koreans and stopped them sending missiles toward Japan, and threatening the West Coast of the US.
The "xenophobe" in the White House turned our relationship with the Chinese around, brought hundreds of businesses back to the US, and revived the economy.
This same “clown” lowered your taxes, increased the standard deduction on your IRS return from $12,500 to $24,400 for married couples and caused the stock market to rise to record levels, positively impacting the retirement accounts of tens of millions of citizens.
The “clown” in the White House fast-tracked the development of multiple COVID Vaccines which are now available or will be soon. And yet we still don't have a vaccine for SARS, Bird Flu, Ebola, or a host of diseases that arose during previous administrations.
The “clown” in the White House rebuilt our military which the Obama administration crippled and fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year of office."

AVGWarhawk!!!! You are awesome man!!!! Now lets see what Biden does if he doesnt hold back more African Americans! What did he call em? superpredators!

Buddahaid

01-08-21, 10:30 AM

VipertheSniper

01-08-21, 10:31 AM

Well ****....was it not just 4 years ago the same thing happened when Hillary lost and the election did not turn out like they wanted???? In fact, it started a crap storm for 4 years of hate from the media, celebrities and those in government(Maxine Waters).

I can't remember a mob forcing it's way in to the Capitol, trying to possibly stop the confirmation of the votes.

bstanko6

01-08-21, 10:32 AM

Everyone keeps talking about how Trump was so corrupt.

Can anyone name me one US president that wasn’t corrupt? I don’t go with George Washington because he force people into conscription during the Revolutionary war!

But if we’re going to compare trump to some of the other recent presidents you guys are all crazy.

Let’s go with Obama. I’ll bring up one simple lie that he told us. Has anyone seen any video evidence or picture evidence of us killing Osama bin Laden? I don’t care how many Navy SEALs you put up in front of a camera or how many books you write, we didn’t kill Osama bin Laden. He died of old age and we framed it to look like we did something. Obama did nothing to protect this country. And as long as he’s not allowing us the people to see that evidence, then that’s a big brother not allowing us to see the evidence. That couldn’t be more corruption if you paint it a different way.

Skybird

01-08-21, 10:34 AM

The Trump Clan plans its goldne future on the ashes of America

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ein-gespaltenes-land-der-trump-clan-auf-der-asche-amerikas-planen-sie-ihre-goldene-zukunft_id_12848271.html

An alien chest buster in the Republican party's torso.

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 10:37 AM

AVGWarhawk!!!! You are awesome man!!!! Now lets see what Biden does if he doesnt hold back more African Americans!

Biden will spend the 1st two years undoing what Trump has done. I'm ok with undoing some of the environmental legislation Trump enacted. Other than that, we will witness an elderly man who is obviously suffering from early stages of dementia go down hill quickly. His wife will prop him up as she has been doing. But not to worry....FWEEDOM..will stand under Kamala. :doh:

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 10:39 AM

I can't remember a mob forcing it's way in to the Capitol, trying to possibly stop the confirmation of the votes.

I can't remember mobs taking control of state houses, federal buildings and entire city blocks. This in just the LAST 4 years. :doh:

vienna

01-08-21, 10:43 AM

I'm more so outraged by the LACK of planning by the US Capitol police. The Federal government offered assistance days before the event. It was turned down.

Were you outraged at BLM and Antifa destroying DC in June? How about the last 4 years?

Um, er,... are the Capitol Police really all that much at fault for their seeming lack of 'preparedness'? After all, the MAGA crowd aren't at all like those BLM savages; the MAGA crowd are known for being law-abiding citizens with full respect for the law and for law enforcement; the MAGA-ites would never resort to the sort of lawlessness of those they reviled last year; there's just no way that would happen; and there was no way a sitting president, along with his son and his minions, would make a personal appearance on the morning of and egg the MAGAs on to a frenzy; that sort of thing just wouldn't happen, uh, uh, NFW...

...and we all know those law-abiding MAGAs would show those stinking BLMs just how a proper, dignified protest is done; they would march peacefully by the Capitol, say their piece, and politely disperse; oh, there might be a very few rowdies, just like at the other protests, but so very few amongst the MAGAs that the Capitol Police would esily deal with them and minimize the affect on the 'perfect' protest by model citizens...

...so why should the Capitol Police have expected less from the noble, rightoeus, and law-abiding MAGA citizens? After all, they're on the side of law and order, not rank criminals like the BLMs; there was no need to have Capitol Police in full battle gear, like at the Lincoln Memorial when those vile BLMs went marching by; why, it surely was that show of force that kept all those Black demonstrators from attacking and defacing the Lincoln statue; we all know the MAGAs would never stoop so very low as to do something so vile to something so sacred to the very hear of US democracy as a national symbol like the Capitol Building; no, no that just would never, ever, ever, happen...

...after all, they are just like their fearless leader who nobly swore he'd be there right with them, they're just like him: sane, rational, predictable, respectful, and law-abiding; why should the Capitol Police really wory?...

Seriously, I'm just saying, cut the Capitol Police a little bit of slack; what happened wasn't at the real base of it their fault; yeah, given the lunacy of the Trump/Trumpette nexus, it wouldn't have hurt to err on the side of possibly being a little more proactive, but, again, by the metric of the espoused "values" of theMAGAs, the riot on Wednesday should have never happened; there is a famous political cartoon by the noted cartoonist Paul Conrad that he drew at the time of the Watergate scandal; the panel was split in half, with the top part showing about a half dozen hippie-type protestor-sorts with protest signs and the usual hippie attire; in the bottom half, there were about a half dozen of the Nixon White House denizens (Nixon, Haldeman, Erlichman, Mitchell, etc.) in their proper, formal business suits; at the very bottom of the cartoon was a quiz: of the two above two groups of people, who do you would you choose as the ones who would subvert and corrupt the Constitution and the laws of the US?; so, the question now is: of the BLMs and the MAGAs, which should the Capitol Police should have been more wary?; if, as many here aver, you really support law enforcement, give a little consideration to the seeming logic of the situation; I'm not going to condemn, out of hand, the Capitol Police, but, rather, the hypocrisy of the MAGAs who talked the talk but really, really stumbled when it came time to walk the walk...

...but, then again, maybe the outrages of the MAGAs were to be expected of fools who follow a greater fool...

<O>

vienna

01-08-21, 11:00 AM

Re; Political cartoons...

There is a famous cartoon by the renowned Bill Maudlin that he drew just after the Kennedy assassination to express the impact and enormity of the tragedy; in a way, given the net effect of the debacle that is the Trump Administration and its negative effects on the nation, the GOP, the norms of civility, the core of the Constitution and the expectations of decency and morality, maybe it is apt yet today:

https://www.laprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mauldin-e1294725481150.jpg

<O>

Wolferz

01-08-21, 11:02 AM

The dregs of European societies came here looking to forge a new life of freedom from monarchal tyranny.
It wasn't easy. It wasn't clean. It took a lot of blood to forge a new nation on the world.
A nation that has repeatedly stepped up and saved the bacon of the old countries. Having said that, understand this, freedom is not free. It's cost is paid for in blood and we continue paying to this very day.
So we had some of our folks get a little rowdy. That's just who we are. So keep your righteous indignation and your opinions to yourselves if you're not an American.
We will sort it out on our own. Thank you very much.
PEACE

u crank

01-08-21, 11:13 AM

While the White House may be on Defcon 1, the fact remains Trump, as president, still has a wide range of available powers, notably, the power of Executive Orders, something he, and the GOP, reviled and railed against when the power was used by Obama; this power is virtually unchecked and unbounded;

I would be interested in knowing just what you think he might do. Be specific. I personally don't think he will do anything. But as to just what outgoing Presidents can do without EOs I refer you to the mischief that Obama and friends were up to in his last days in office. And one of those people is the President elect. Besides the recent protest debacle nothing Trump has done compares to what Obama and his intellegence and law inforcement people and his inner circle were up to in an attempt to interfere in an election and an incoming administration.

Trump is now cornered animal, a sociopathic cornered animal, and we all know cornered animals are particularly dangerous and unpredictable; while there are a lot of others in the White hose and the GOP who may be in position to attenuate any foreseeable or probable Trump excesses, remember there are those who have Trump's ear, who feed Trump's mania, people like the extreme Stephen Miller, who may egg Trump on to some whacked out 'endgame';

You sound like Skybird. :03:

I've witnessed many times repressed, highly religious people snapping suddenly and lose their cool and it is not a comforting sight;

Really? What would being religious have to do with it? Less than a month ago a relative who is an unabashed atheist resorted to some incredibly bad behavior while we were having a political discusion. It was embarassing but I certainly don't think the reason for the outburst had anything to do with belief or non belief. It is a personality failing.

as I've said before, once Trump is gone, as far as I'm concerned, he's done with whatever affect he has on the office of POTUS and the courts can have his sorry ass and the rest of us can go back to some greater degree of sanity and deal with 'normal' problems...

If only that were the case. Other than a change in the WH and Congress all of the problems that America has are still there. It remains to be seen how a political chameleon like Joe Biden, a highly divisive Nancy Pelosi, and a Senate now at the mercy of someone like Harris will solve those problems. The media can put a positive spin on it but 2022 promises to be just as bad for Biden as 2010 was for Obama. The only hope I see is that Joe will let that mythical inner 'moderate' come forth and put the brakes on some disastrous hard left policies that are in the works. And to allow that moderate to seek a nonpartisan approach to problems. We'll see but a lot of things have to go right for Biden to avoid a replay of the 2010 midterms. Let's see how he handles the virus, the economy and China.

And then there is that damn pesky laptop.:D

mapuc

01-08-21, 11:14 AM

The Iran issue

I'm not a psycho-analytic I can therefore not say what going on in Trumps head.

I have read in this thread that Trump may or could order an attack on Iran before leaving the White House.

This worries me.

So far Trump hasn't started any war and I hope he will follow this line until he leave.
Then there's is these insight report saying he has gone insane.
It's CNN who has mentioned this-so how reliable is it.

Markus

bstanko6

01-08-21, 11:25 AM

AVG! Glad to see a fellow red pill taker!

Trump never intended to go to conflict with anyone.

His fight was economic. After everything else was said and done all he wanted was to loosen the grip of China so that we can make a better buck in the long run.

The things that he did while in office, as Warhawk had said, with some of the things I’ve never seen in any other candidate do on any other party side in a very long time.

He talked like most regular people talked. He didn’t kiss babies he went right to work. He called out all the bull crap that was going on for the last 40-50 years. And we needed someone like that. He also expose the fake news and I couldn’t be more proud of him. I knew the news is fake I just didn’t know how bad. Trump worked for us and he did a great job.

Love trump or hate him, He did his best and I was so proud of him. I’m sad that this country turned against him from the start. They never even gave him a chance to walk into the White House peacefully. We talk about peaceful protests and Peaceful rioting. He never had a peaceful chance day one because no one wanted to give him one. I think he would’ve done great things in another four years. You’re not gonna see that with Biden and unfortunately no one else here believes me.

Well I serve my country I would never want to see us go into another conflict, and I know we’re going to the minute Biden gets into office. Syrians please watch your back and know that Biden does not represent us!

And I apologize to my fellow police officers out there, who are working hard every day, who don’t have any complaints against them, who do their job every single day the right way every time. Kamala Harris is coming after you and you we are going to lose. If you have a retirement build up you need to quit now and wait out your retirement. This country is turning against the good Americans that keep us safe every night.

u crank

01-08-21, 11:34 AM

Um, er,... are the Capitol Police really all that much at fault for their seeming lack of 'preparedness'?

Seriously, I'm just saying, cut the Capitol Police a little bit of slack; what happened wasn't at the real base of it their fault;

WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter.

Despite plenty of warnings of a possible insurrection and ample resources and time to prepare, the Capitol Police planned only for a free speech demonstration.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/01/08/capitol_police_rejected_offers_of_federal_help_to_ quell_mob_144996.html

Capitol Police chief Steven Sund will resign next week, a spokesperson confirmed to Axios.

Driving the news: Sund's resignation, effective Jan. 16, comes amid pressure from lawmakers, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and the union representing the Capitol Police over the department's response to Wednesday's violent Capitol breach by a mob supporting President Trump.

https://www.axios.com/capitol-police-chief-resigns-steven-sund-75bc3e7e-cd5f-4c5d-b34e-05dc05fc2846.html

so, the question now is: of the BLMs and the MAGAs, which should the Capitol Police should have been more wary?

Smart people would have been more prepared regardless.

skidman

01-08-21, 12:06 PM

So keep your righteous indignation and your opinions to yourselves if you're not an American.

Hm. No.

And stop lecturing the rest of the world. We've had enough of that.

skidman

01-08-21, 12:12 PM

And then there is that damn pesky laptop.:D

Oh-oh. This sets the "Laptop of hell"-counter to "two". One more to go to make Biden president.

https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2009/12/p10706181-660x495.jpg

LOH = 2

Wolferz

01-08-21, 12:38 PM

ENot a single mention in this thread of the hypothetical what if,

Let Captain hindsight deal with the current events and of its ifs ands and buts,

But what if Papa Joe is unable to complete his term as POTUS?

That's right! America will swear in its first woman POTUS.:06:
What will we call her husband? FLOTUS always had a nice ring to it but, Firsguy, First Fellow or even First Gentleman doesn't work as well.
FGOTUS sounds like a venereal disease.
FFOTUS sounds like stuttering
FGOTUS oops back to VD.

Buddahaid

01-08-21, 12:42 PM

Fine with me.

mapuc

01-08-21, 01:19 PM

25th Amendment.

The Dems and some Rep will invoke this 25th Amendment

I can tell you that Trump will be sitting until Jan. 21-The political machinery works very slowly and it does this where ever you are in the world.

Should the be a majority before this day Jan. 21 Trump has the right to questioning this and then the Congress has to discuss it again(have read this in a Swedish newspaper)

Markus

u crank

01-08-21, 01:23 PM

Oh-oh. This sets the "Laptop of hell"-counter to "two". One more to go to make Biden president.

Your "Laptop of hell"-counter has been made irrelvant. Joe Biden will be sworn in as the next President on Jan. 20 2021. It's been all over the news.

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 01:23 PM

Yes, I am, but I also think BLM has a better reason to be angry than cult of Trump.

There is never a good reason for rape, pillage and burning. No matter who or what the cause may be. Ever.

bstanko6

01-08-21, 01:28 PM

AVG...
Do t worry about Buddahaid. He’s not American. Never will be.

He probably came from some **** dump where they burn old computers all day for a wage.

AVGWarhawk

01-08-21, 01:28 PM

Um, er,... are the Capitol Police really all that much at fault for their seeming lack of 'preparedness'? After all, the MAGA crowd aren't at all like those BLM savages; the MAGA crowd are known for being law-abiding citizens with full respect for the law and for law enforcement; the MAGA-ites would never resort to the sort of lawlessness of those they reviled last year; there's just no way that would happen; and there was no way a sitting president, along with his son and his minions, would make a personal appearance on the morning of and egg the MAGAs on to a frenzy; that sort of thing just wouldn't happen, uh, uh, NFW...

...and we all know those law-abiding MAGAs would show those stinking BLMs just how a proper, dignified protest is done; they would march peacefully by the Capitol, say their piece, and politely disperse; oh, there might be a very few rowdies, just like at the other protests, but so very few amongst the MAGAs that the Capitol Police would esily deal with them and minimize the affect on the 'perfect' protest by model citizens...

...so why should the Capitol Police have expected less from the noble, rightoeus, and law-abiding MAGA citizens? After all, they're on the side of law and order, not rank criminals like the BLMs; there was no need to have Capitol Police in full battle gear, like at the Lincoln Memorial when those vile BLMs went marching by; why, it surely was that show of force that kept all those Black demonstrators from attacking and defacing the Lincoln statue; we all know the MAGAs would never stoop so very low as to do something so vile to something so sacred to the very hear of US democracy as a national symbol like the Capitol Building; no, no that just would never, ever, ever, happen...

...after all, they are just like their fearless leader who nobly swore he'd be there right with them, they're just like him: sane, rational, predictable, respectful, and law-abiding; why should the Capitol Police really wory?...

Seriously, I'm just saying, cut the Capitol Police a little bit of slack; what happened wasn't at the real base of it their fault; yeah, given the lunacy of the Trump/Trumpette nexus, it wouldn't have hurt to err on the side of possibly being a little more proactive, but, again, by the metric of the espoused "values" of theMAGAs, the riot on Wednesday should have never happened; there is a famous political cartoon by the noted cartoonist Paul Conrad that he drew at the time of the Watergate scandal; the panel was split in half, with the top part showing about a half dozen hippie-type protestor-sorts with protest signs and the usual hippie attire; in the bottom half, there were about a half dozen of the Nixon White House denizens (Nixon, Haldeman, Erlichman, Mitchell, etc.) in their proper, formal business suits; at the very bottom of the cartoon was a quiz: of the two above two groups of people, who do you would you choose as the ones who would subvert and corrupt the Constitution and the laws of the US?; so, the question now is: of the BLMs and the MAGAs, which should the Capitol Police should have been more wary?; if, as many here aver, you really support law enforcement, give a little consideration to the seeming logic of the situation; I'm not going to condemn, out of hand, the Capitol Police, but, rather, the hypocrisy of the MAGAs who talked the talk but really, really stumbled when it came time to walk the walk...

...but, then again, maybe the outrages of the MAGAs were to be expected of fools who follow a greater fool...

<O>

The question remains, was it Trump supporters or possibly Antifa that infiltrated? I can say those that I know who are serious Trump supporters are shaking their heads at what transpired. Maybe way right-wing nut cases. Certainly there are way left-wing nut cases. We have seen enough of that in the past 4 years.