US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Catfish]

re Blackwater
[...] I would've pardoned them too :yep:
Real christian thoughts eh? Let god sort 'em out.

[skidman]

I have to ask... have you ever actually met a communist? Because the tankies seriously hate Biden. They even think that Sanders is too much of a moderate. Biden has more in common with you than he does with tankies.

Also, the restrictions in place right now are because of the pandemic that killed my grandfather...

Don't try to make August's small and simple world bigger and more complicated. He just posted a imbecilic video made by a dangerous nuthead (https://medium.com/@CKava/the-problem-with-jp-sears-2c5d1b8664fd) who sells superfood (Yep. Skybird 2.0! https://earthechofoods.com/products/s1-cacao-bliss-single-pouch/?utm_source=influencer&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=cacao-bliss&utm_term=jp&utm_content=jpsears&name=jp-sears) of dubious quality, t-shirts and hoodies on the web to earn a living.

Very sorry to hear about your loss. Hopefully all the anti-vaxxers and those who try to downplay the pandemic will be held to account some day for the blood on their hands.

[Skybird]

Never mentioned or said anything about Cacao, nor do I know anything about it different to that I like a well-made hand-prepared cup of cacao with cream. As so often your ranting and your surreal fantasy are not really two separate things.

[Cybermat47]

First off what the heck is a tankie?

Tankie is a term that anyone who debates communists will come into contact with almost immediately. It refers to Stalinists, Maoists, Dengists, Jucheists, and other authoritarian-left hardliners who essentially support crushing any opposition to them with tanks (hence the name). It was coined by ex-CPGB members after the events of 1956, and it’s been adopted as an anti-communist insult by everyone from anarchists to American conservatives.

Second every power grab in history has used an emergency, real, hyped up and sometimes totally fictional situations to justify it's move which almost always turn out to be permanent. See the Patriot Act or federal income taxes for examples. Do you think that any possible measure the government may take to restrict Americans rights and freedoms is automatically justified because of a disease that can be fatal to elderly people?

What indication is there that any of these policies are permanent? Because countries all around the world that have implemented similar policies have also rolled them back once it’s safe to do so; see New Zealand for example.

Third Biden is no leader but a stooge of the last remaining communist power. The Chinese own his son and by extension they own him because with the Bidens power broking is a family business.

Going to need a source for that.

[August]

Tankie is a term that anyone who debates communists will come into contact with almost immediately. It refers to Stalinists, Maoists, Dengists, Jucheists, and other authoritarian-left hardliners who essentially support crushing any opposition to them with tanks (hence the name). It was coined by ex-CPGB members after the events of 1956, and it’s been adopted as an anti-communist insult by everyone from anarchists to American conservatives.


First I've heard of it. What's a CPGB?



What indication is there that any of these policies are permanent? Because countries all around the world that have implemented similar policies have also rolled them back once it’s safe to do so; see New Zealand for example.


I don't claim to know what other countries are doing just mine, and I know that their new found powers will continue to be exercised. Any emergency manufactured or not will do.


Going to need a source for that.


You can start at the ongoing fbi investigations of his son for one thing. You can start with Bidens voting record for another. Hopefully you are not going to claim to have never heard of this...

[Onkel Neal]

So much talk about the validity of this election. Happened to hear this on This American Life, a left-wing public radio show that I have enjoyed for years.


The first 4 minutes will explain who and what in this clip,
https://www.podbean.com/ew/dir-x5bju-be4e8e0

then the amazing part at 4:12

“Before you help the voter, make sure the voter is voting Democrat.”

This is actually on This American Life, imagine how much we don’t know.

[August]

So much talk about the validity of this election. Happened to hear this on This American Life, a left-wing public radio show that I have enjoyed for years.


The first 4 minutes will explain who and what in this clip,
https://www.podbean.com/ew/dir-x5bju-be4e8e0

then the amazing part at 4:12

“Before you help the voter, make sure the voter is voting Democrat.”

This is actually on This American Life, imagine how much we don’t know.


I'll bet there will be those on this forum who will deny it.

[Onkel Neal]

The only qualifying thought I can image is, there are probably Republican operatives doing the same thing.

Still, somewhat shocking to hear it straight from the liberal hivemind.

[Buddahaid]

Bzzzzzzzzzz....

I'm taking a break from the jousting tournament for a reset memory purge, I mean a vaccination....

[Torvald Von Mansee]

This cartoon amused me:


https://i.redd.it/ol3zfngzgu761.jpg

[Rockstar]

There is a kernel of truth to the above cartoon.



The FED injects trillions upon trillions of dollars of magic money over a multitude of years in attempt to prop up an economy. Because of all the free money floating around one way to reduce the effects of inflation is too tax the hell out of corporations and business rather than the lowly consumers already impacted because of stagnant wages. Problem is corporations eventually cover loses by increasing product prices and further minimize what they are willing to pay workers. But some States are now acting like union bosses by enacting laws that demand certain businesses pay higher wages. Either way ya look at it government is involved and in my opinion that cant be good. As these days it seems any action they take is about what benefits their political party and career more than anything else.

In my opinion "Tax the rich" is just a stupid political slogan meant to incite party loyalties. Its a distraction to keep people from realizing just how bad this can really get if we dont stop printing money out of thin air.

[ET2SN]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/895139/story_image/TREKcolor.png?1608229323


:har:

[Rockstar]

Governor Gavin Newsom
Has Failed Californians

Unaffordable housing. Record homelessness. Rising crime. Failing schools. Independent contractors thrown out of work. Exploding pension debt. And now, a locked down population while the prisons are emptied. Hold Gavin Newsom accountable. Gavin Newsom must go.

https://recallgavin2020.com/

Everywhere you look, the failures of Governor Newsom are obvious and appalling to everyone. For this reason, the Recall Gavin 2020 campaign is not conservative or liberal, or right or left, or Republican or Democrat. This is a mass uprising.

Our Recall Gavin campaign is building a grassroots organization with over 80,000 California voters already signed up as volunteers to sign and circulate recall petitions. That number is growing every week. And this is just the beginning.


Are you tired of being locked up, unable to make a living, at the same time as California’s prisons are being emptied? Do you wonder why Gavin Newsom’s cronies are building “supportive housing” for the homeless at a cost of over a half-million dollars per unit, instead of just getting them help in less expensive facilities? Then join the Recall Gavin 2020 movement.
Did you struggle to run a business, even before this lockdown, because of overregulation and the highest taxes in America? Did you lose your livelihood when Gavin Newsom signed AB 5, which made it illegal for many companies to negotiate with independent contractors? Then join the Recall Gavin 2020 movement.


Are you troubled by the growing encroachments on the 1st Amendment; our right to speak our minds, to freely assemble, to congregate whether it’s at church or on the beach? Are you troubled by encroachments on your 2nd Amendment rights, threatening your ability to purchase a firearm to protect yourself, especially now? Then join the Recall Gavin 2020 movement.


Are you ready to take the offensive against the ongoing destruction of our public schools? Have you had it with new laws that make it impossible to hold students or teachers accountable, making many of our schools unsafe? Do you believe you have the right to control what sort of sex education (or indoctrination) your child receives? Then join the Recall Gavin 2020 movement.


Do you wonder how California’s cities, counties, and state agencies will ever pay off their pension debt, or balance their budgets, or stop raising taxes, when Gavin Newsom can’t even cut spending to provide benefits to illegal immigrants, benefits that aren’t even offered to working citizens of California? Then join the Recall Gavin 2020 movement.

[Skybird]

Thats what happens when 1. money devalues, and 2. politicians are allowed to form a lifetime income model of political careers.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=247760

The christmas wishlist of a 7 year-old (and older ones as well):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAtv5lrUUC0&feature=emb_logo


On the man: LINK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schiff), in brief he is the antithesis to Krugman, and was/is close to Ron Paul. His understanding of "inflation", for which he is often criticised (by Krugman for example, who is an infinite money inflationer), is correct imo, and influenced by the Austrian school. Traditional inflation calculation doen by govenrments is always designed tto focus ion good and items that give it a low and harmless appearance, whereas the real inflation is several times as high. Everybody knows it, everybody sees it every day, just tge government holds up a leaflet wit numbers and says: Nope, its low, here is the evidence made to prove it: we indeed needf even more inflation.

[Skybird]

The punisher struck again. Another disloyal critic got terminated(tm).

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/28/politics/james-phillips-walter-reed-last-shift/index.html

[Rockstar]

I guess the good doctor should have thought twice before making unfounded accusations in a public forum. I wonder, had he known that not only is the vehicle sealed off from outside nuclear, biological and chemical threats. But the presidents compartment is also sealed off against such threats from the driver's compartment as well.

In my opinion he made a fool of himself and simply paid the price for his stupidity of running his mouth and making assumptions without really knowing what the hell he was talking about. Also just because you're diagnosed with COVID does not mean you are shedding the virus. Makes me wonder if the Doctor even had access to that kind of information.

[Skybird]

The doctor pointed at the obvious malice and carelessness. Trump repeated tbat behavioural pattern many times, for example forbidding close staff in the WH to wear masks, and so forth.



An established, repeated pattern, illustrating how much of nothing Trump gives for other peoples wellbeing and lives.

[u crank]

for example forbidding close staff in the WH to wear masks

Really? Never heard that one before. Any proof of that?

[MaDef]

skybird believes it's true so it must be, even though a may 11th 2020 memo directed all staffers to wear masks except when sitting at their desks provided they were not within 6' of anyone else.

[Catfish]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-downplaying-virus-mocked-wearing-masks-months/story?id=73392694

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-masks.html

[u crank]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-downplaying-virus-mocked-wearing-masks-months/story?id=73392694

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-masks.html

No where in those two articles is there anything that backs up Skybird's claim ..."for example forbidding close staff in the WH to wear masks."

[Catfish]

^ Please, just read some of the links. Of course not directly as an "order", and we know Trump never said what he said so no one could nail him down on any thing he said, and if you do not sense his daily mood in time, or disagree or not obey his unspoken will, you will of course be fired.
He just downplayed it and still does, makes fun of people who wear masks and is generally behaving like the [edit] responsible and dependable genius he is.
Apart from this you are perfectly right.

[u crank]

^ Please, just read some of the links.

I did. Every word in an attempt to find evidence of what Skybird said. Nowhere to be found. Look there is lots of stuff out there about Trump and the questionable things he says. Why make something up? In today's world I think that is called 'fake news'. When the dreaded Trump Derangement Syndrome causes people to invent stuff then the proverbial shark has been jumped.

[Rockstar]

Cuomo Praises Trump’s Coronavirus Response: ‘His Team Is On It’
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cuomo-praises-trumps-coronavirus-response-his-team-is-on-it/


[California Governor] Newsom Praises Trump as 'Proactive' in Coronavirus Response
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/gavin-newsom/2020/04/03/id/961305/

[Catfish]

re u crank
Well i wrote that you are perfectly right. A lot of people may have misunderstood Mr Trump, but of course this never was his intention. Ahem.

[u crank]

re u crank
Well i wrote that you are perfectly right.

And I thank you. My beef is not with you but with Skybird who seems unwilling to defend his statement.

[Mr Quatro]

And I thank you. My beef is not with you but with Skybird who seems unwilling to defend his statement.

Sky doesn't work for CNN ... He just gives them seed thoughts to scroll something without proof :yep:

[August]

Trump's Top 10 Accomplishments of 2020


Commentary by Steve Cortes (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/authors/steve_cortes/)


December 31, 2020

This year has been dominated by the pain and suffering thrust upon the globe by the criminal acts of the Chinese Communist Party. Even amid these harsh challenges, President Trump persevered to reach historic achievements. Therefore, as the year draws to its conclusion, it is worth detailing his 2020 accomplishments, as I have previously catalogued for each of the last (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/31/trumps_top_10_achievements_for_2019_142047.html) three (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/30/trumps_top_10_achievements_of_2018_139046.html) years (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/12/30/trumps_2017_top_10_achievements_135885.html).


The Vaccine. Millions of Americans have begun the process of inoculation, leading to an eventual reality where COVID-19 becomes a bad memory. The speed of this achievement defied skeptics and amazed scientists everywhere. Along with the brilliant government researchers and innovative private sector pharmaceutical companies, President Trump deserves enormous credit for his inspiring leadership of Operation Warp Speed.
Broadening the Nationalist Movement. The “America First” uprising pre-dated Trump’s entry into politics, with roots in the Tea Party cause. But the movement found its indispensable leader in Trump. Not content with his upstart victory of 2016, Trump massively broadened the movement, in every sense. Geographically, Trump gained vote share in each of America’s four largest cities (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston) in 2020 vs. 2016. He added 500,000 raw new votes in Los Angeles County alone. Among the 11 million new voters rallying to Trump’s candidacy were millions of Latinos, as the president split the Hispanic vote in Florida (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/03/politics/exit-polls-2020/index.html) and gained 10 percentage points over 2016 to earn 40% of the Hispanic vote in Texas (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-exitpoll/trump-gains-with-latinos-loses-some-white-voters-exit-polls-idUSKBN27J2T9). Under Trump’s leadership, in 2020 the America First cause morphed into a large, sustainable, multi-ethnic, cross-racial workers’ movement.
Abraham Accords. For the first time in a quarter-century, Arab nations agreed to normalized relations with Israel. President Trump harnessed diplomacy combined with toughness toward Iran to forge truly historic new ties in the region. The 2020 agreement among Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain represents a massive breakthrough, one that encouraged similar pacts with Morocco and Sudan.
Economic Recovery. The rally from the spring lockdown lows defied all predictions, and included massive surges in home and automobile sales, as pickup truck purchases soared (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LTRUCKSA) to all-time highs. The U.S. economic performance was the envy of the advanced world. The U.S. stock market roared back far higher than the indices of Japan, Germany, and the United Kingdom. Simply put, in 2020 the United States was an island of growth amid an economically stagnant world.
The Wall. Contrary to the media narrative, considerable progress has been made in building the president’s controversial border barrier, despite constant obstructionism from both Congress and the courts – and the unrelenting hostility of the press. Some 423 new (https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system) miles of impressive border walling now stand guard at our southern border. Officials of Customs and Border Protection make it clear (https://www.azfamily.com/news/investigations/cbs_5_investigates/customs-and-border-protection-officials-defend-wall-as-critical-to-anti-smuggling-effort/article_ed6e5650-0e8e-11eb-8f98-4fd6efbdfe45.html) that the wall plus Trump’s “remain-in-Mexico” asylum policy regained control of our previously lawless border region.
Trade Agreements. For decades, our government pursued disastrous trade deals at the behest of K Street lobbyists, benefiting foreign nations plus the top executives of American multinationals, regardless of the harm to American workers. Donald Trump won the presidency vowing to fix these untenable trade structures, and in 2020 he signed the USMCA pact with our neighbors Mexico and Canada, a material improvement over the outdated and unfair NAFTA championed by bipartisan globalists. This success led to the Phase Two agreement with China as well, continuing the process of holding Beijing to account for its massive abuses of America via product dumping, industrial espionage, and a dearth of trade reciprocity.
Afghan Peace Deal. This commander-in-chief pursued an America First foreign policy of realism and restraint. It paid off. As made clear by the December 2019 bombshell “Afghanistan Papers,” published by the Washington Post, Trump’s predecessors misled our citizens while wasting precious American lives and treasure during that pointless two-decade war. Trump is winding down such adventurism and reached a historic peace deal with the Taliban in 2020. Despite howls from the “America Everywhere” foreign policy establishment inside the D.C. Beltway, Trump’s deal to end the Afghan war has won rare, broad, bipartisan support (https://www.voanews.com/usa/majority-americans-support-trumps-deal-taliban-end-afghan-war) among voters.
Striking Down Terrorists. Instead of wasteful and unsuccessful mass invasions or grandiose commitments to “nation-building,” this president used surgical strikes to eradicate threats to our security. After America’s successful hit against ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in 2019, the 2020 strike against Iranian military leader and terrorism exporter Qasem Soleimani eliminated perhaps the most dangerous terrorist in the Middle East. Soleimani directly engineered the slaughter of American troops in Iraq, and he met instant justice courtesy of American missiles in an attack ordered by an intrepid commander-in-chief.
Space Force. The first new branch of the U.S. military in decades, President Trump showcased his vision as an unpredictable political leader in establishing Space Force as the sixth U.S. military branch as part of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act. America now stands as the only country with an independent, dedicated military space force. Such foresight highlights Trump’s willingness to think in unconventional ways.
March for Life. Donald J. Trump became the first U.S. president to attend the annual massive pro-life march in Washington, solidifying his stature as the most pro-life president in American history. In so doing, he fulfilled campaign promises to protect unborn life as well as religious liberty. The president boldly declared (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-47th-annual-march-life/) that “every child is a precious and sacred gift from God.”

At home and abroad, President Trump proved that there is, indeed, method to his madness. Though his unorthodox and sometimes frenetic approach confounds his critics, Trump’s disruptive leadership remained highly effective in 2020, even as our country and his administration faced many unwelcome challenges. Whatever the future holds for him, the 45th U.S. president compiled a record of achievement over these last four years that is impressive and historic.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/12/31/trumps_top_10_accomplishments_of_2020_144945.html

[Onkel Neal]

^ Please, just read some of the links. Of course not directly as an "order", and we know Trump never said what he said so no one could nail him down on any thing he said, and if you do not sense his daily mood in time, or disagree or not obey his unspoken will, you will of course be fired.
He just downplayed it and still does, makes fun of people who wear masks and is generally behaving like the [edit] responsible and dependable genius he is.
Apart from this you are perfectly right.

I agree with this message. He was not a good leader in this regard. Crazy how many of his cult followers took up this attitude.

Trump's Top 10 Accomplishments of 2020


Commentary by Steve Cortes (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/authors/steve_cortes/)


December 31, 2020

This year has been dominated by the pain and suffering thrust upon the globe by the criminal acts of the Chinese Communist Party. Even amid these harsh challenges, President Trump persevered to reach historic achievements. Therefore, as the year draws to its conclusion, it is worth detailing his 2020 accomplishments, as I have previously catalogued for each of the last (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/31/trumps_top_10_achievements_for_2019_142047.html) three (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/12/30/trumps_top_10_achievements_of_2018_139046.html) years (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/12/30/trumps_2017_top_10_achievements_135885.html).


The Vaccine. Millions of Americans have begun the process of inoculation, leading to an eventual reality where COVID-19 becomes a bad memory. The speed of this achievement defied skeptics and amazed scientists everywhere. Along with the brilliant government researchers and innovative private sector pharmaceutical companies, President Trump deserves enormous credit for his inspiring leadership of Operation Warp Speed.

........................

At home and abroad, President Trump proved that there is, indeed, method to his madness. Though his unorthodox and sometimes frenetic approach confounds his critics, Trump’s disruptive leadership remained highly effective in 2020, even as our country and his administration faced many unwelcome challenges. Whatever the future holds for him, the 45th U.S. president compiled a record of achievement over these last four years that is impressive and historic.





Yeah, but he didn't build a wall, or at least, much of a wall. This was a big fail.

Some of those accomplishments are definitely noteworthy, but alas, his boneheaded response to a pandemic cost him his second term. Imagine if he had been serious and gotten infront of this in Jan/Feb, and month-long early voting and free-for-all mail in ballots had never become a "necessity".... too bad.

[Skybird]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html


[ Yeahyeah, I know - "The source, beware the source, its the wicked NYT!" - Its not about the source, its the content of the text it gives. ]

[Onkel Neal]

Pretty good documentary, really shows how the US dropped the ball with testing. It's billed as "uncovering the truth" but sheesh, anyone could see the truth by simply comparing the reaction and steps taken by the US govt with Taiwan or South Korea.

https://youtu.be/F7ktU4WRfzM

[Skybird]

I just red an interview of some German publication with Madeline Albright, an d this passage at the end made me grin, too:

QUESTION:
What will happen to Trump? Where do you see him: In jail or on a new TV show?

ANSWER:
To be honest - I have no idea. I just laughed at a picture in the newspaper. It's from Madame Tussaud's Museum, where they've put him in plaid pants and a shirt. He looks like he's just playing golf.

[Skybird]

And I thank you. My beef is not with you but with Skybird who seems unwilling to defend his statement.
Maybe Skybird is unwilling to always jump just because you hold up another loop to jump through and want to cause distraction by which you derail the focus from the centre of what is important to a blown up detail that - while being true and has been reported several times - in itself is not as relevant as the failure of leadership. That has created it as another of those many symptoms.


You can find easy relief from me by just assuming that I always read the wrong media and am not aware of their political biases. ;) Works perfectly almost always.

[u crank]

Maybe Skybird is unwilling to always jump just because you hold up another loop to jump through and want to cause distraction by which you derail the focus from the centre of what is important to a blown up detail that - while being true and has been reported several times - in itself is not as relevant as the failure of leadership. That has created it as another of those many symptoms.

If it is true then it should be very easy to provide some proof. Of course it is not true. If Trump had given such an order to the WH staff it would have been a huge news story easily found with a simple Google search. I can't find it. Can you?

There is something to be said about Trump's leadership failures which I could even agree with you on. But what you are accusing him of is something that never happened. If you think that is ok then that is your problem.

[Jimbuna]

Some of those accomplishments are definitely noteworthy, but alas, his boneheaded response to a pandemic cost him his second term. Imagine if he had been serious and gotten infront of this in Jan/Feb, and month-long early voting and free-for-all mail in ballots had never become a "necessity".... too bad.

QFT :yep:

[Buddahaid]

And if he had just promoted mask wearing it wouldn't have become a rallying point for "freedom".:k_confused:

[Rockstar]

The only other countries in the world the U.S. could be compared too was Taiwan and South Korea? Doesn't say much for the rest of the world now does it? :)

Since last year only 802 cases in Taiwan and 61,000 in South Korea. Honestly, it makes me wonder how accurate those statistics really are when the rest of the world is on fire and burning, those two stick out like a sore thumb.

Would be nice to see a documentary about federalism, the order of power and importance, primacy of the State, constitutional authority and limitations of the federal government. Instead of bending like a reed in the wind to the latest headlines. I think if people had a better understanding we'd be able to ask the right questions and hold our elected officials to account.

[bstanko6]

It matters not what Trump does or did. Libtards hate him, even if he did everything right they hate him and will find a way to make him a bad president.

Trump tried to shut the country down when COVID first reared his head, and he was called racist, xenophobe, dick... you name it.

Don’t worry, Biden and Cornpop will do everything right.... LOL!

[Buddahaid]

It's really difficult to take anything you say seriously when you start off with insulting people. Do you really want a one party system? It wouldn't matter if it were right, or left wing, because everyone would be told what to do, what to say, and how to act then, including you.

[Rockstar]

It matters not what Trump does or did. Libtards hate him, even if he did everything right they hate him and will find a way to make him a bad president.

Trump tried to shut the country down when COVID first reared his head, and he was called racist, xenophobe, dick... you name it.

Don’t worry, Biden and Cornpop will do everything right.... LOL!

The power to regulate commerce is granted to Congress not the presiden. What Trump could do in an emergency depends on wether he acted in accordance with congressional will. Other than the little girls blaming Trump anyone know what the will of congress was?

Also, "an emergency may not call into life a power which has never lived". A declaration of a state of emergency may only afford a reason for the exertion of a living power already enjoyed. In other words, by declaring a national or state emergency, neither the federal government or the state can grant themselves any new power.

As for masks there are going to be people who just will not wear them no matter what someone says. Get over it. If you see someone not wearing one I blame you for not saying anything about it. And if they still refuse I still blame you because my panties are in a bunch and I feel better if I can blame someone else other than the person not wearing the mask.

Believe it or not a state of emergency does not give government free rein to violate any constitutional rights. As for closing business and the economy the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that no person may “be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

Tighten up act like men chrissakes and quit complaining.

[bstanko6]

Buddahaid...

No I want several parties. I would want to take money and boost all the lower parties to get up to a level where Democrats and Republicans are. We’ve seen in the last four years how these Republicans are snakes in the grass going behind peoples back’s and dealing with the Democrats. I don’t want that either.

I don’t want bipartisanship... I want multipartisanship!

I can’t take anyone serious who voted Biden for president. The man is mentally ill. Simple as that. The man has given us no comprehensive plan as to what he’s going to do to make our situation better than what Trump did. Yet people blindly voted for him because they just don’t like the orange man. That is seriously a scary thing to me.

[Buddahaid]

Buddahaid...

...I can’t take anyone serious who voted Biden for president. The man is mentally ill. Simple as that. The man has given us no comprehensive plan as to what he’s going to do to make our situation better than what Trump did. Yet people blindly voted for him because they just don’t like the orange man. That is seriously a scary thing to me.

Funny because that sentiment is exactly why a majority of people voted Trump out and defeated those who "blindly" voted for Trump. Where does that leave us? Maybe we are all blind.

[Buddahaid]

.... As for masks there are going to be people who just will not wear them no matter what someone says. Get over it. If you see someone not wearing one I blame you for not saying anything about it. And if they still refuse I still blame you because my panties are in a bunch and I feel better if I can blame someone else other than the person not wearing the mask.

Believe it or not a state of emergency does not give government free rein to violate any constitutional rights. As for closing business and the economy the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that no person may “be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

Tighten up act like men chrissakes and quit complaining.

Masks. I know there will be those who can't wear them for any reason anyone can conceive of. That's just human nature and I get it. But when it becomes a political rallying point in the face of clear evidence, which of course is also subject of contention, that it does mitigate the spread of a lethal virus, who's losing skin off their back by using them?

"...without due process of law."
Due process is the height of bureaucracy and that can take as long as it can take. It's no tool to use in a crisis but it is a tool to settle disputes after a crisis.

"...Tighten up act like men chrissakes and quit complaining."

It's easy to complain so everyone does it.

[bstanko6]

Buddahaid...

Trump had a comprehensive plan before he was elected in! That’s why we vote for him. And he is not mentally ill.

The president of the United States of America is literally the captain of the ship that is the nation of the USA. And Biden has no course of action or direction that he wants to take us except for three things: the limitation of the Second Amendment, raising taxes, And giving China more money and jobs. All points he admitted in interviews. Literally nothing else mentioned.

And those 3 directions are common democrat party directions. He has given us nothing else that would solve anything that Trump has been doing to make this country better. That’s why I’m mad. That’s why other people are mad. I don’t understand how you’re OK with that. The man is going to be a ship captain with no compass.

[Buddahaid]

Biden has yet to do anything as president so you are projecting, and, I have a very hard time calling anything Trump has done as comprehensive, focused perhaps, but that focus would be making the Trump "brand" great over any real accomplishment. You see, I don't think Trump knows any difference between what makes him great and what makes America great, and that makes him small in my book.

[bstanko6]

Buddahaid...

We can’t keep going around in circles.

I would except Biden for only one thing, understanding his comprehensive approach of being the President of the United States. His plan.

He’s not making candy bars, he’s not pumping gas for people at a gas station, he’s the President of the United States, and he has no comprehensive plan. That is a recipe for disaster.

We voted for a guy that has nothing.

Even Obama had a plan... and he was terrible. But I respect that he had a plan going in.

Buchanan was considered absolutely horrible... but had ideas goin in.

Biden... masks... that’s it... and he cannot even enforce that!

[Buddahaid]

All right, I agree the jury is out, but for me Trump was already sentenced by history. I know we will never see eye to eye on this, but hey, that's what America is about.

EDIT: I think Trump lost solely because he couldn't convince enough people he put his policy above his personality and it showed in how he reacted to controversy. He attacked his detractors viciously instead of offering compelling argument in favor of his opined ideals and those attacks too often seemed very petty and childish for a head of state in a democracy, or rather, a republic. He wore out his welcome with acid for middle America.

[Skybird]

^
"Le centre de l'univers c'est moi." - Donald Trump.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/christian-nationalism-s-covid-vaccine-doubt-threatens-america-s-herd-ncna1252515

[bstanko6]

Skybird...

Some of the greatest men in the world make the universe turn in the first place... why not be the center of it?

[u crank]

I think Trump lost solely because he couldn't convince enough people he put his policy above his personality and it showed in how he reacted to controversy. He attacked his detractors viciously instead of offering compelling argument in favor of his opined ideals and those attacks too often seemed very petty and childish for a head of state in a democracy, or rather, a republic.

I would have to say that you are right. Despite have some very good policy successes Trump could not overcome his own personality. It was a bridge to far maybe but he did not try. Trump's presidency was brought down by a virus and his own stubborn insistance on being 'Trump' rather than a President for all Americans.

He wore out his welcome with acid for middle America.

Yep.

[Jimbuna]

The US Congress has overturned President Donald Trump's veto of a defence spending bill, the first time this has happened in his presidency.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55510151

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55514153


Congressman Gohmert's case sought to allow Vice-President Mike Pence to reject some electoral college votes when they are ratified by Congress on 6 January.

(...)

Mr Gohmert's case aimed to expand that role to allow Mr Pence to cast judgement on the validity of the votes and potentially replace votes for Mr Biden with ones for Mr Trump.
Meine Fresse. For some low lifes things never are too loo as if they would not try to commit them. All that just for a narcissistic psychopath who sits crying in the corner of his room because soon nobody will talk about him anymore all day long.

I am almost willing to bet that he wioll spend his last days on the throne with the attempt to get legislation through so that people are obliged to read every day at least 15 tweets by Trump per day, and in shcool pupils must recitate them.

As a former psychologist I am not so much surprised by Trump, he just shows all the syptoms of the personality disorder he suffers from, he is a psychiatrically interesting patient with high entertainment value and not more - but that so many are willing to fall for the theatre play of this loony and carry on with making monkeys of themselves just to please him and his fanatical followers - that is suprising.

And frightening. Tells nothing good for the future.


Or are these almost criminal acts that border conspiracy against the state and constitutional order the desperate attempts of stupids who are now about to awake from their folly and irresponsible faith they obeyed in the past 4 years, to delay the moment of truth when they must realise what disadvantageously looking idiots they have made of themselves already in these four years?

[Skybird]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-plans-to-fight-the-election-even-after-stop-the-steal-rally-ends?ref=home



For Lindell, the push to overturn the election results is not just a matter of politics but of religion as well.
“God chose Donald Trump for eight years, not four,” he said, adding that “even if Biden is inaugurated, there’s no statute of limitations [on election theft]. Yes, I will keep investigating this, [even if he’s sworn in], and I’m not going to stop trying to get this out there to the American people.”And people still believe him! :o :har: Must be all that flourid and bromid and chlorid in US drink water. Must have caused massive brain edemas. I prescribe high doses of iodine! :yeah: Plus plent yof vitamin C , D and A, magnesium, selenium, and salt, to wash all that bad stuff out! And an air pump to prevent the empty skull from collapsing and looking like a 100 year old raisin!

Maybe one should drug him with Valium until he needs a respirator to breath on.

Wait - repirators all are in use due to Covid? Luck happens. If he cant get one maybe then this all will yet find a happy end.

[u crank]

Fri January 6, 2017

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/electoral-college-vote-count-objections/index.html

Vice President Joe Biden presided over a joint session of Congress Friday, where members officially tallied electoral votes from the 2016 presidential election. President-elect Donald Trump’s 304 electoral votes weren’t counted without incident, however. During the course of the certification, House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiples states, with Biden gaveling them down for failure to follow the rules.

[Rockstar]

EDIT: I think Trump lost solely because he couldn't convince enough people he put his policy above his personality and it showed in how he reacted to controversy. He attacked his detractors viciously instead of offering compelling argument in favor of his opined ideals and those attacks too often seemed very petty and childish for a head of state in a democracy, or rather, a republic. He wore out his welcome with acid for middle America.


I dont think anyone in their right mind can argue against that as you pretty much hit the nail on the head. He could have gone far and been remembered as a half way decent president if it wasn't for his own piss poor presentation of himself.

[bstanko6]

If a mechanic rebuilds your car and makes it run better than it did originally… You’re going to not pay him or hire him again because he listens to a certain kind of music, or is boisterous, or drinks until he gets drunk and falls down?

I don’t respect the president who kiss babies just so they can steal their lollipops. I like results.

Just shows how simple minded we are as voters.

We are kicking out Trump has done great strides for this country, to put in a guy who has no plan whatsoever. Are you even looking at what you are doing?

Great line from the Hunt for red October!

[August]

I don’t want bipartisanship... I want multipartisanship!


The problem with multiple parties is our system of government is not really set up for more than two political sides. Three or more serious candidates could create a situation where none of the candidates reaches the required 270 electoral votes. In popular vote terms, even with just three major candidates it could mean a President is elected with just 34% of the vote, or 26% with four candidates and so on. Italy, that model of multipartisanship for example, has seven major parties and a couple of dozen more minor ones. That would not work here without a major constitutional overhaul of the executive branch (at least).

[Jimbuna]

It may not be over yet but surely this will be the last throw of the dice.

US Vice-President Mike Pence has welcomed an effort by a group of senators to refuse to certify Joe Biden's presidential election win.

The 11 Republican senators and senators-elect, led by Ted Cruz, want a 10-day delay to audit unsubstantiated allegations of election fraud.

The move is certain to fail as most senators are expected to endorse Mr Biden in the 6 January vote.

As president of the Senate, Mr Pence will have the responsibility of overseeing the session on 6 January and declaring Mr Biden the winner.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55517626

[Wolferz]

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with any political party.

Republicans are showing that they are sore losers and will grasp desperately at any straw to turn our democracy into a Trump autocracy.
I dfind it sad and pathetic to the Nth degree.
Thee actions by the Grand Old Pobahs will result in the start of our second civil war. Why not? They started the first one.

[Rockstar]

If a mechanic rebuilds your car and makes it run better than it did originally… You’re going to not pay him or hire him again because he listens to a certain kind of music, or is boisterous, or drinks until he gets drunk and falls down?

I don’t respect the president who kiss babies just so they can steal their lollipops. I like results.

Just shows how simple minded we are as voters.

We are kicking out Trump has done great strides for this country, to put in a guy who has no plan whatsoever. Are you even looking at what you are doing?

Great line from the Hunt for red October!


Strides or no strides it doesn't appear voters look at policy or can see beyond the drama. One only need look at the posts here and find they follow the latest headlines and nothing else. Together with party politics and mass media working hard to exploit the drama and further sales is what got him voted out. Any president who didn't see that coming and work harder to present himself in a different light and tickle the ears of the voters will not get a second term.

[Rockstar]

It may not be over yet but surely this will be the last throw of the dice.




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55517626


Oh its been over, the horse died when the electorate cast their vote. The only ones still beating on the dead horse are the media. Its like a bad accident people cant help but look. :yep:

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-republicans-electoral-college-new-congress-democracy/index.html

The scattershot efforts to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's election victory (https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/candidate/biden) are coalescing into a movement led by top Republicans determined to exploit a manufactured crisis for broader political gains.
Nearly a dozen more GOP senators, a handful of whom will be sworn-in Sunday, have now announced they will challenge Biden's clear Electoral College win (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/02/politics/senate-republicans-electoral-college/index.html) over President Donald Trump (https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/president) next week during what has traditionally been a ceremonial exercise on Capitol Hill.Their gambit is doomed to fail -- they have acknowledged as much -- in its immediate objective, but likely to succeed in hardening the conspiracy theory-fueled, right-wing base in Trump's thrall.
Nearly a dozen Republican senators announce plans to vote against counting electoral votes (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/02/politics/senate-republicans-electoral-college/index.html)

The President is, predictably, cheering on the charade. His chief of staff, Mark Meadows, encouraged his former House colleagues to "fight back" in a Saturday night tweet (https://twitter.com/MarkMeadows/status/1345581131341688833).

And Vice President Mike Pence -- who has sought to keep a safe distance from the more inflammatory claims and behavior of fellow Republicans while subtly egging them on when it suits him -- has welcomed congressional Republicans' challenge.
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Lets stay sober. This ^ is not what a so-called democratic system is about. This is what its about to derail a democratic system without getting called out for it.

The toilet overflows with what has been thrown into it.

[Buddahaid]

They are simply posturing over the bones for photo ops in order to woo Trumps power base. I don't believe they think they can seriously alter the outcome.

[u crank]

Lets stay sober. This ^ is not what a so-called democratic system is about. This is what its about to derail a democratic system without getting called out for it.


In actual fact it is what the democratic system is about. Although I don't agree with what these people are doing it is lawful, it adheres to the Constitution and it is not the first time it has been done. In fact if you had the slightest actual interest in this process you would know that the same thing was tried against Trump just four years ago. See post #12054. And it failed just like this one will. There are many forms of protest available to citizens and this is one of them.

They are simply posturing over the bones for photo ops in order to woo Trumps power base. I don't believe they think they can seriously alter the outcome.

Indeed. They don't control the House and Senate leader McConnell and a number of GOP Senators have signalled their opposition to this. Game over.

[bstanko6]

...and this is where the militia come in friends. It’s hard to kick out a standing president when the populace practice the second amendment!

If the people really want Trump...

[Buddahaid]

And that would be where the National Guard comes in and militia gets thrown in jail.

[ET2SN]

If the people really want Trump...

...they could have voted for him. :yep:

[Buddahaid]

...they could have voted for him. :yep:
:haha:

[Dowly]

Someone's getting desperate :haha:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html

[August]

...they could have voted for him. :yep:




Almost 75 million did.

[bstanko6]

National guard! They love Trump!! Ahahahaha!

You are a riot!

So you are admitting Buddahaid...

Joe Biden, a fraud, will be protected by a tyrannical military force?

I thought the people had s right to alter or abolish the government?

You are saying no?

[Buddahaid]

He should put cotton in his mouth and be called don Don.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o&list=PL1_7zfY1M9t9RcyYQczlfGt1PF8kRQJZx

[Buddahaid]

Almost 75 million did.
How many of those 75 million would back armed revolt from militia groups?

[Dowly]

National guard! They love Trump!! Ahahahaha!

You are a riot!

So you are admitting Buddahaid...

Joe Biden, a fraud, will be protected by a tyrannical military force?

I thought the people had s right to alter or abolish the government?

You are saying no?
You do realize the NG was there during Trump's inauguration as well...

[Buddahaid]

National guard! They love Trump!! Ahahahaha!

You are a riot!

So you are admitting Buddahaid...

Joe Biden, a fraud, will be protected by a tyrannical military force?

I thought the people had s right to alter or abolish the government?

You are saying no?

I've heard a lot of this before, let me see, oh yes, it was in 2016 and the only difference is it's coming from the right in 2020.

We lived through that, and Trump, and we will live through Biden just as certainly and just think, maybe the US will figure out a voting system that both sides can believe in by then.

[bstanko6]

Buddahaid...

You mean the fake voters?

The national guard will not fight its people bro. I guarantee it.

[bstanko6]

I just find it funny that they have to triple their security and call in the National Guard in order to be inaugurated.

[August]

How many of those 75 million would back armed revolt from militia groups?


Probably abround the same percentage as those who backed the American Revolution?

[Buddahaid]

Sort of the US version of the October Revolution then but names are changed.

[bstanko6]

you da man August

[Rockstar]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-republicans-electoral-college-new-congress-democracy/index.html

The scattershot efforts to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's election victory (https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/candidate/biden) are coalescing into a movement led by top Republicans determined to exploit a manufactured crisis for broader political gains.
Nearly a dozen more GOP senators, a handful of whom will be sworn-in Sunday, have now announced they will challenge Biden's clear Electoral College win (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/02/politics/senate-republicans-electoral-college/index.html) over President Donald Trump (https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/president) next week during what has traditionally been a ceremonial exercise on Capitol Hill.Their gambit is doomed to fail -- they have acknowledged as much -- in its immediate objective, but likely to succeed in hardening the conspiracy theory-fueled, right-wing base in Trump's thrall.
Nearly a dozen Republican senators announce plans to vote against counting electoral votes (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/02/politics/senate-republicans-electoral-college/index.html)

The President is, predictably, cheering on the charade. His chief of staff, Mark Meadows, encouraged his former House colleagues to "fight back" in a Saturday night tweet (https://twitter.com/MarkMeadows/status/1345581131341688833).

And Vice President Mike Pence -- who has sought to keep a safe distance from the more inflammatory claims and behavior of fellow Republicans while subtly egging them on when it suits him -- has welcomed congressional Republicans' challenge.
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Lets stay sober. This ^ is not what a so-called democratic system is about. This is what its about to derail a democratic system without getting called out for it.

The toilet overflows with what has been thrown into it.


For you this is something new, another headline, and obviously you think end of democracy. But here's a news flash: December 14th the electors cast their vote. On January 6th a joint session of congress convenes to offically accept those votes cast by the electorate. On January 20th Congress gets together again and anyone may present a challenge. And by law they MUST be heard, deliberated and then BOTH chambers must vote to uphold any challenges. ITS NOTHING NEW, its lawful and its expected and its been done for hundreds of years.

Here's the rub though, there will be political maneuvering and a chance to beat that dead horse again, and again and again, they can whine, they can complain, point fingers, and accuse each other and challenge all they want. Hoping to make headlines and get noticed to get someone's future vote.

But in the end on January 20th Joe Biden will be president.

[August]

Sort of the US version of the October Revolution then but names are changed.


I'll have to take your word for it. I didn't realize that the Bolsheviks had stolen an election to gain power. I thought they just did it the traditional way by murdering off their political enemies.

[Buddahaid]

That wasn't my point. My point was supported armed open revolt and as far as I can tell, somebody on the losing side always claims it was stolen somehow.

If all the evidence is so good, why can't it be proved in court? I can't prove it didn't happen and I'm not arguing that it didn't, but it can proved it did in a court of law but hasn't despite all the resources of the GOP.

I think I've burned at least 150 cal on this already today. (insert head banging smiley without anger)

[August]

If all the evidence is so good, why can't it be proved in court? I can't prove it didn't happen and I'm not arguing that it didn't, but it can proved it did in a court of law but hasn't despite all the resources of the GOP

Seems that the courts are dismissing these suits without hearing the evidence. I don't think the Trump side has had even one judgement that based on the actual merits of the case. They are all dismissed for technicalities. Standing issues, anything to shut it down without letting evidence be brought into the open.

It's sort of like Officer Obies "twenty-seven 8-by-10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was" But no seeing eye dog is even needed if justice wants to be deliberately blind.

So what recourse is left for the millions of Americans who believe that the Presidential election was stolen? With the government establishment and the media against us there is little that we can do about it except tear the whole place down. Maybe that's what we're headed for and maybe it's not such a bad thing if it breaks their stranglehold upon us.

[Buddahaid]

I guess they do what the democrats did four years ago. It now really boils down to what will happen in 2024. The pendulum swung far enough anti-trumpwise this time and the not-trump is now elected, but in four years I hope to see a stronger candidate from both parties, hopefully with less theatrics, but who am I kidding.

[Skybird]

Trump spreads chaos and destruction. The republican party will split into two wings that sooner or later must break apart: a democratic conservative wing or party, and a Trumpist anti-democratic, autocratic, tyrannic, populistic wing or party with a strong sect-like Führer-cult.

Since the Republicans did not resist to embrace the tea party movement and the rubbish spread already by a certain Sarah Palin and gang, it does not deserve any better than this miserable end.

The Trumpist party sees itself as no longer obliged to the principles of a democratic system. Instead it is fighting against the very democratic system itself. It will turn America and Americans against it- and themselves. That are no side effects - that are the method.

Trumpists will do their best to make sure the two-party system stays as it is, and electoral system stays as it is. This way they can and must take over the Republican party alltogether. The Trumpists will win this. The Republicans will get lost. Too many of the ordinary folks on the street like what is going on.

There will be a price that must be paid, though. Not just by Trumpists, but by all of America.

[Buddahaid]

Skybird, you are making it far more black and white than it is. Effectively, right or left wing factions here do not form separate parties, but seek to control the party, not break away. The GOP will not split, nor will the democrats.

I suppose we have a this, or that, mindset and it's somewhat amusing just how even the dichotomy is now, mindless or mindful.

[mapuc]

It's not enough to have a huge knowledge on American politics, one must also understand the inner child in the American politics.

Markus

[Skybird]

Skybird, you are making it far more black and white than it is. Effectively, right or left wing factions here do not form separate parties, but seek to control the party, not break away. The GOP will not split, nor will the democrats.
I am aware, and tried to express that: the party will form wings in itself, and since the political and electoral system is like it is, it is in the Trumpists' interest to not wanting to change that, since by that they can - and MUST!!! - take over all the party.

The rest I said is just conclusion from history. Because falls of great empires and nations in this way do not happen for the first time. America sleepwalks on old paths here.

Things begin, they last, and they have an end. Nobody expects to live in those times where he must witness the end, the fall, the collapse. And it has been like this with humans probably in all of history: most people cannot imagine that it is in their ofieitme that the civilization, the empire the ylive it, is about to come to an end, to fall, to collapse, to get tzransformed b forc einto somethign that ahs nothign in common with the state before.

But these things happen, and they happen quite often. In two or three decades America will not be recognised anymore again, and it will have much more in common with political systemsa the likes of China, Russia, maybe even a fascist foiurth reich, than with the cultural herioatge it has lived of until here. The heritage will be relived on theatre stages, and for propaganda, of course. But that is just shine and propaganda. And this totalitarian transformation will have much to do with the options enabled by modern technology - as they already exist since a decade by now, and will further grow in the foreseeable future.

You people are sleepwalking, that's what you do.

[Buddahaid]

It's not enough to have a huge knowledge on American politics, one must also understand the inner child in the American politics.

Markus

Isn't the inner child the beast we all have to tame? The id monster?
https://images.ctfassets.net/23wh7e5ryr18/photo-44438/a720c8ecf86ef745b2494bc7ce67e060/44438-id-monster-forbidden-planet.jpg?fm=jpg&fl=progressive&w=900&q=50

[bstanko6]

Trump attempted to drain the swamp...

Guys, the swamp is kicking him out!

Simple. This is the corruption that Trump exposed and why he can’t even get his evidence and case heard.

Now that it is out there, they all want him gone. But the people are pissed.

We are going to see something revolutionary in this country. You wait.

[Buddahaid]

Perhaps, but beyond the slogan, who and what gets defined as a swamp? I would argue Trump just dragged his personal leech lines into the bog knowing they were on top and would sink into the mire slower.

Trump says lot's of things all the time like a drunk on a barstool.

The people includes all those who voted anti-trumpwise. I'm claiming anti-trumpwise officially here and now.

[bstanko6]

The swamp is easy to define.

The entire court system and criminal justice system is a swamp correct?

So is the entire political system.

[Buddahaid]

Trump attempted to drain the swamp...

Guys, the swamp is kicking him out!

Simple. This is the corruption that Trump exposed and why he can’t even get his evidence and case heard.

Now that it is out there, they all want him gone. But the people are pissed.

We are going to see something revolutionary in this country. You wait.

You keep, apparently, promoting revolution.


I can see I'll have to report you to a newly established training camp where you will confess the errors of your ways while undergoing psychological re-education to accept gay lifestyles and tofu. :shucks:

EDIT: Oh, and get vaccinated.

[Skybird]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html


Paranoid psychotism and hurt narcissism in action. Trump may become irrelevant in person, but he can still be turned into a figurehead of a Trumpist movement that will outlive him. Too many people have invested their faith and energy into believing him - awakening to the bitter truth that they made monkeys of themselvers will be too much for many as if they can stand it. So they will chose to live on with lies and self-deceptions, they will make themselves believing, to avoiud needing to admit their guilt. This way, reality surrogates get created.


If you look at the psychology of sects and doomsday cults, as well as populations of states who ended up in troubles and wars they had brought over the world themselves, you see that this is an old pattern , its is nothing new at all from a social-psychological perspective. Trump is just one factor in it, and a factor with a biological termination date. But the cult'S founding myth depends much more on the inner self-dynamic of this - lets call it that - mythological founding myth. And that founding is what Trump and Trumpists currently work on all day long with their endless repetition of lies and unfounded claims. And they are already so strong that even those Republicans in the party who do not like Trump, have fallen silent and refuse to confront him, fearing for their own stand in the party, and their angry voter base. Trump has taken the party hostage.



You think these things are over when the lead figure dies? Tell that Stalinists! Nazis! Or Muhammeddans and evangelical Christians!

[Buddahaid]

.... and evangelical Christians!

That is indeed a group to be concerned about, and reckoned with, and why I see such sad parallels with the crusades. Buying your way into grace is just wrong.

[August]

Trump spreads chaos and destruction. The republican party will split into two wings that sooner or later must break apart: a democratic conservative wing or party, and a Trumpist anti-democratic, autocratic, tyrannic, populistic wing or party with a strong sect-like Führer-cult.


There you go with the stupid nazi comparisons again Godwin.

When are you ever going to learn that we are not Germans, we are Americans. There are no fuhrers in our future, no fancy uniforms or swastikas. There has never been a president, including George Washington that the entire nation would just shut up for and blindly follow. We are far too diverse and far too big and much to fractious to follow a leader as slavishly as you like to fantasize.

Germans pretend that the nazis were some new and evil force who sneakily seized power amidst the chaos of a lost war, but in reality your people just traded one Kaiser for another more modern version with bureaucratic titles replacing the the ones of the old nobility in the preceding Reich. That's why the nazis were successful at taking over your country. No Weimar Republic with it's scary and untidy concepts of representative government was going to appeal to a nation of former subjects. You needed the another imperial master to pick up your leashes and that's exactly what happened.

But that's not going to happen here. Other bad things might happen to us but not that. So spare us the lectures. I've been reading this forum for 15 years and in the hundreds, perhaps thousands of anti-American political rants you have made over that time you haven't been right about us yet and you still aren't.

We are not Germans. Thank God.

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRpckirW4Mk


Its a bigger deal than you may imagine. :yep:

[Buddahaid]

I don't know, don't ask me why but somehow this fits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ4ztL7dBKE

[Texas Red]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/donald-trump-brad-raffensperger-call-washington-post/index.html


The irony is unbearable :haha:

The latest move by the president that could get him sent to jail! :haha:

"You should want to have an accurate election. And you're a Republican," Trump said at one point.
"We believe that we do have an accurate election," Raffensperger said in response, to which Trump replied, "No, no you don't. ... Not even close. You're off by hundreds of thousands of votes."


The audio recording was reported by the Post several hours after Trump said on Twitter that he had spoken to Raffensperger on the phone in an attempt to convince him to look into unfounded conspiracy theories about the vote in November. According to Trump, Raffensperger refused to do so. In response, Raffensperger cryptically delivered a strong message to the President on Sunday.
"Respectfully, President Trump: What you're saying is not true. The truth will come out," the tweet read.
Raffensperger, a Republican and a Trump supporter, has consistently turned back Trump's claims of voter fraud in Georgia. He has overseen three different recounts of the vote and conducted several other reviews of the process. He recently tasked the Georgia Bureau of Investigation with conducting an audit of the signature match system in Cobb County that determined the system was 99.9% accurate and revealed no evidence of fraud.
White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, lawyer Cleta Mitchell and other Republican allies of the President were also on the call.
The call represents the latest extraordinary effort by Trump to change the results of the race he lost following weeks of legal and political efforts by the President, his legal team and Republican allies to overturn the free and fair election.
The ask comes just days before Congress will meet to certify Biden's victory, a traditionally ceremonial exercise on Capitol Hill that will look dramatically different this year as Republicans in both chambers plan to object to the counting of Electoral College votes.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer seized on the call in a tweet Sunday afternoon, suggesting to Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas that he and his GOP allies should investigate the President for his actions.

Trying to "find" votes, lmao

[Buddahaid]

This was entered into the US politics thread earlier today.

[Onkel Neal]

Man, Trump doesn't know when to give up.

[Skybird]

"Go and better find me my votes!"


https://i2.wp.com/bamfstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2013-02-05-10-22-43-pm.jpg

[bstanko6]

In response to that video...

Nobody’s being loyal to the president…

They’re being loyal to the constitution.

Ted Cruz and all those other guys are trying to make sure this election was fair by responding to their constituents who want them to take every road possible. .

The people have raised their suspicions and their questions and they’re not satisfied even now and made their representatives aware.

That’s not the representatives fault!

The reps are doing their job because Even though the Democrats keep saying nothing happened, people are still pissed off and saying the election was rigged!

That’s the representatives doing a great job in my book.

You guys really need to open your eyes. And definitely not listen to that idiot on YouTube.

[Dowly]

The people have raised their suspicions and their questions and they’re not satisfied even now and made their representatives aware.
When will they be satisfied?

[Skybird]

"You heard me. Don't argue with me, but find me my votes."


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[Hawk66]

There you go with the stupid nazi comparisons again Godwin.

When are you ever going to learn that we are not Germans, we are Americans. There are no fuhrers in our future, no fancy uniforms or swastikas. There has never been a president, including George Washington that the entire nation would just shut up for and blindly follow. We are far too diverse and far too big and much to fractious to follow a leader as slavishly as you like to fantasize.

Germans pretend that the nazis were some new and evil force who sneakily seized power amidst the chaos of a lost war, but in reality your people just traded one Kaiser for another more modern version with bureaucratic titles replacing the the ones of the old nobility in the preceding Reich. That's why the nazis were successful at taking over your country. No Weimar Republic with it's scary and untidy concepts of representative government was going to appeal to a nation of former subjects. You needed the another imperial master to pick up your leashes and that's exactly what happened.

But that's not going to happen here. Other bad things might happen to us but not that. So spare us the lectures. I've been reading this forum for 15 years and in the hundreds, perhaps thousands of anti-American political rants you have made over that time you haven't been right about us yet and you still aren't.

We are not Germans. Thank God.

August, your knowledge of the Weimar Republic and the current German view of it today is insufficient at best, to describe it in a polite way. You always say that foreigners do not understand America...yeah it seems the opposite is also quite true if I read what you are writing. :salute:

I do not always agree what Skybird writes here but in his thread he never indicated that he sees the danger of a "1:1 Hitler-clone" in your country. He actually describes the radicalization of the Republican Party and the impact which might have it on the democratic system.

It would also be quite beneficial if you listen to what your own scholars in your own country are saying about the current erosion of the democratic system in your country and the root causes of it.
That the last 10 living secretaries of defense of both parties feel obliged to write an open letter, publicly fearing a coup seems to me not a very promising sign that those theses are wrong, to be honest. Also that not a minor fraction of Republican voters think that Bill Gates wanna control people with the Covid-19 vaccine. And other conspiracy theories

[bstanko6]

@dowly...

Your question: “when will they be satisfied?”

My answer: Let’s see, the Democrats weren’t satisfied for four years so… Yeah!

[bstanko6]

@hawk67...

I have to defend August. The scholars in our country are all supported by big media. Which is completely biased to the Democratic Party.

The Democrats were completely evil for the last four years constantly challenging everything that the president did no matter what he did every minute of every day. Even accusing him of stuff they still cant pin on him.

And when you have media to back you up, you can paint him to look like what ever you want.

[bstanko6]

My thoughts on Trump…

Trump is not a career politician. He’s not a very refined politician. In fact I would agree with anybody in this room that he’s probably a very boisterous outspoken person who has child like fits.

But we have to understand the full picture of who Donald Trump is. He is a businessman. He has never held an office in any shape or form in his life until now.

The career politicians have come from generations of politicians, who have been slowly gouging money from the United States people for centuries. They’ve had their kickbacks, they’ve had their quid pro quo, and they have been going back-and-forth Pretending to be Republicans but secretly compromising for Democrats or other parties and vice versa. They have been carving this country up for themselves for too long.

To quote George Carlin, “it’s a big club and you ain’t in it!”

And Trump is no exception. He has never been in this club. So imagine their horror when he was elected! This is a man who is seeing all of their crap and has called them out on it. He hasn’t just called out the Democrats, he also called out the Republicans. And they just don’t like it.

I love Trump because he is calling these people out for what they’re doing. I’ve seen the social media and the mainstream media showing their true colors of who they support and they’ve been supporting these particular people for too many years.

Big tech loves China because China gives cheap materials to big Tech to make big profits. Who’s been fighting China more than anyone… Donald Trump. Of course big tech hates him.

You have to understand that the hate is not because Donald Trump is a big bully or a person who has fits, he’s hated because he is not profitable to these people who have been gouging us for years.

And when the US politicians and big tech and social media gouges us Americans, that means it’s boils over to you guys as well in other countries in the world. We’re all being screwed over and Donald Trump sees this.

That’s why I like him. I don’t like him because he’s a refined politician, he’s not! He’s taking a no bull**** approach to a big problem that has been affecting all of us in the world for years.

I know that none of us will agree whether or not Trump is good or Biden is better. All I know is Biden comes from the same group of people they have been screwing us over for years. This is why I am upset.

I hope you guys understand my position.

[Skybird]

https://community.avid.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.00.53.19.51/WhiteBlack10801440x1080.png

[u crank]

I do not always agree what Skybird writes here but in his thread he never indicated that he sees the danger of a "1:1 Hitler-clone" in your country. He actually describes the radicalization of the Republican Party and the impact which might have it on the democratic system.


Skybird's discription of the 'the radicalization of the Republican Party' is a little hysterical and driven by what he sees on CNN. There may be a grain of truth to it but in fairness one has to recognize that both parties are becoming more radical and are moving away from the center. Eventually the old guard of the Democrat party will be gone and the new leaders will have to sell a radical and 'coastal elitist' agenda to the rest of America. I think it is going to be a tough sell. Neither party seems to be willing to take that risk and be a more centrist political entity. It's a shame because that is where the votes are.

[Mr Quatro]

Its official Trump wins!

I sure would like to see that again :up:

[Hawk66]

Skybird's discription of the 'the radicalization of the Republican Party' is a little hysterical and driven by what he sees on CNN. There may be a grain of truth to it but in fairness one has to recognize that both parties are becoming more radical and are moving away from the center. Eventually the old guard of the Democrat party will be gone and the new leaders will have to sell a radical and 'coastal elitist' agenda to the rest of America. I think it is going to be a tough sell. Neither party seems to be willing to take that risk and be a more centrist political entity. It's a shame because that is where the votes are.

Yes, both parties are radicalizing.
But: One cannot compare those actions some Republicans are currently doing with that. Again see the letter of the 10 past secretaries - and this is only one example of it - the concern is in both parties. It is the erosion of the core system what is troubling .

This time it will probably be defeated. But what happens if in 2024 a next Trump-like candidate arises ? Smarter than him ? - now for everybody it is transparent how far you can go (and actually achieve) if you have the "support" of a substantial voter group.

[u crank]

Yes, both parties are radicalizing.
But: One cannot compare those actions some Republicans are currently doing with that. Again see the letter of the 10 past secretaries - and this is only one example of it - the concern is in both parties. It is the erosion of the core system what is troubling .

This time it will probably be defeated. But what happens if in 2024 a next Trump-like candidate arises ? Smarter than him ? - now for everybody it is transparent how far you can go (and actually achieve) if you have the "support" of a substantial voter group.

One cannot compare those actions some Republicans are currently doing with that. Again see the letter of the 10 past secretaries - and this is only one example of it - the concern is in both parties. It is the erosion of the core system what is troubling .

Part of the problem is that the Executive branch of the US government has slowly become more powerful. Congress and the Courts are doing their best to thwart that power but Trump only inherited that power. He is abusing it in some ways but no more than his predecessors. This is a good read by Glenn Greenwald on Substack. The title says it all.

The Threat of Authoritarianism in the U.S. is Very Real, and Has Nothing To Do With Trump.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-threat-of-authoritarianism-in

Virtually every prediction expressed by those who pushed this doomsday narrative of Trump as a rising dictator — usually with great profit for themselves — never materialized. While Trump radically escalated bombing campaigns he inherited from Bush and Obama, he started no new wars. When his policies were declared by courts to be unconstitutional, he either revised them to comport with judicial requirements (as in the case of his “Muslim ban”) or withdrew them (as in the case of diverting Pentagon funds to build his wall). No journalists were jailed for criticizing or reporting negatively on Trump, let alone killed, as was endlessly predicted and sometimes even implied. Bashing Trump was far more likely to yield best-selling books, social media stardom and new contracts as cable news “analysts” than interment in gulags or state reprisals. There were no Proud Boy insurrections or right-wing militias waging civil war in U.S. cities. Boastful and bizarre tweets aside, Trump’s administration was far more a continuation of the U.S. political tradition than a radical departure from it.

The real problem that you won't hear about on CNN.

A much-discussed 2014 study concluded that economic power has become so concentrated in the hands of such a small number of U.S. corporate giants and mega-billionaires, and that this concentration in economic power has ushered in virtually unchallengeable political power in their hands and virtually none in anyone else’s, that the U.S. more resembles oligarchy than anything else:

It's a Brave New World indeed.

The dominant strain of U.S. neoliberalism — the ruling coalition that has now consolidated power again — is authoritarianism. They view those who oppose them and reject their pieties not as adversaries to be engaged but as enemies, domestic terrorists, bigots, extremists and violence-inciters to be fired, censored, and silenced. And they have on their side — beyond the bulk of the corporate media, and the intelligence community, and Wall Street — an unprecedentedly powerful consortium of tech monopolies willing and able to exert greater control over a population that has rarely, if ever, been so divided, drained, deprived and anemic.

All of these authoritarian powers will, ironically, be invoked and justified in the name of stopping authoritarianism — not from those who wield power but from the movement that was just removed from power. Those who spent four years shrieking to great profit about the dangers of lurking “fascism” will — without realizing the irony — now use this merger of state and corporate power to consolidate their own authority, control the contours of permissible debate, and silence those who challenge them even further. Those most vocally screaming about growing authoritarianism in the U.S. over the last four years were very right in their core warning, but very wrong about the real source of that danger.

[Wolferz]

Number fourty-five is no longer the little engine that could.
He's switched to a dead end siding that is going to land his carcass in a federal jail. ROTFLMAO

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Trump is a chump and a sore loser.

[mapuc]

This much I do know.

What Trump did isn't exactly legal.

What I wonder is:

What happens now ?

Well he's still the President until 21 Jan.

Markus

[Catfish]

The former Pentagon chiefs warned against use of the military in any effort to change the outcome of the election.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/defence-secretaries-trump-1.5860345

[mapuc]

Will Trump sink this low ? And activate the military to remain in the White House.

I still say Trump may bark on the way out-but he will leave.

I can't imagine the other things. I don't like it.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

The former Pentagon chiefs warned against use of the military in any effort to change the outcome of the election.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/defence-secretaries-trump-1.5860345

Yes I read that too ... This is reassuring that the USA won't become like some third world country over in Africa :o

I have the funny feeling that if the GOP wins in the Georgia Senate run off races for two senator's ... This will give them a majority over the democrat's and they won't care about Trump anymore, because they now have the power to override anything the US House would propose.

Four years of stalemate is available for president elect Joe Biden :yep:

or at least wo years till the next Senate races begin, but remember the US Senate still has two independents that could make a swing vote over to VP elect Harris :yep:

[Skybird]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-call-georgia-election-officials-highlights-white-house-bunker-ncna1252697



Adolf Hitler retreated to his Führerbunker (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/hitler-descends-into-his-bunker) as the Allies advanced into Germany in the spring of 1945, leaving Germans to their fates. Moammar Gadhafi holed up in his fortress on the outskirts of Tripoli (https://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141559726/gadhafis-last-days-still-a-mystery), refusing to surrender when Libyans took up arms against him. And President Donald Trump has turned the White House into his own refuge (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-discussed-naming-sidney-powell-special-counsel-during-white-house-n1251859) as he desperately seeks to remain in power despite having lost the presidential election.
It is fitting that he would end up like some of history’s best-known autocrats: hunkered down in his safe space, surrounded by his latest crop of unhinged loyalists.

Trump has followed an authoritarian, rather than a democratic, playbook as president. It is fitting that he would end up like some of history's best-known autocrats: hunkered down in his safe space, surrounded by his latest crop of unhinged loyalists, trying pathetically to escape the reality of his defeat.
(...)
The "inner sanctums" of authoritarians take on special importance when things are going badly and their power is threatened. Composed of flatterers and family members, they function to shield the head of state from any information that conflicts with his delusion that he is always right and will stay in power indefinitely. "For God's sake, don't upset the Führer — which means do not tell him bad news — do not mention things which are not as he conceives them to be," the exiled German journalist Karl H. von Wiegand wrote of Hitler in 1939, summarizing a situation familiar to those who have worked for Italy's Benito Mussolini, Turkey's Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the current American president.
Too bad, never is Kampfgruppe Steiner around when they are needed most.

[Jimbuna]

Not surprising in its timing.

Iran resumes enriching uranium to 20% purity at Fordo facility.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55530366

[u crank]

I have the funny feeling that if the GOP wins in the Georgia Senate run off races for two senator's ... This will give them a majority over the democrat's ...

They only have to win one to make it 51 - 49.

..but remember the US Senate still has two independents that could make a swing vote over to VP elect Harris :yep:


Ah .. no. Those two independants, Angus King of Maine and Bernie Sanders of Vermont are already counted as Democrats.

[Mr Quatro]

They only have to win one to make it 51 - 49.

Ah .. no. Those two independents, Angus King of Maine and Bernie Sanders of Vermont are already counted as Democrats.

thank you u crank I didn't know that, which makes it even more important for the GOP to win at least one seat.

FOX news just said that more than 4 million votes have already been cast before election day tomorrow ... :o

I think that was how many cast in the National election November 3rd :yep:

[August]

I'm afraid that the fix is in just like it was in the Presidential election. Enough votes will magically appear in the dead of night to give both Dems the win.

[Buddahaid]

I welcome any evidence that's stands up in court to prove it. Of course it's not possible Trump could be wrong about that because he says so and absolutely anything that works against him must be fake or a conspiracy.

[bstanko6]

Oh Buddahaid you misguided person...

The courts won’t even hear the evidence.

That is the problem.

Just bring the civil war and eject all communists!

[Buddahaid]

No, it is you who are misguided. The courts didn't hear the evidence because it is either unusable, or the GOP's lawyers are pathetically inept. Have some more of that conspiracy myth Kool-aid.

[August]

I welcome any evidence that's stands up in court to prove it. Of course it's not possible Trump could be wrong about that because he says so and absolutely anything that works against him must be fake or a conspiracy.

Of course it is possible, but the way I see it so much fake conspiracy crap has been thrown at him these last four years I certainly can believe the accounts. There are a lot of people who have signed affidavits under penalty of perjury about what they saw. To claim that evidence doesn't exist is to ignore the fact that an affidavit is evidence by definition.

Before we get to evidence standing up in court though we need a court to actually take a good look at it don't you think? What has been happening instead is the various suits are rejected for standing or for some other ridiculously applied technicality without that evidence ever being heard. You'd think that if there was nothing to these many claims that the Dems would want it all aired out to Trumpian shame but no. The strategy instead has been to suppress and ignore which to me is a clear sign that there is something to hide.

[Buddahaid]

Yes you've mentioned that before so I have to assume the lawsuits were simply flawed.

[Cybermat47]

Just bring the civil war and eject all communists!

This is the silliest thing I’ve read here.

Communists in the USA aren’t at all powerful, and they really don’t like the Democrats, not to mention that the most vocal ones are so obviously tankies that they alienate a lot of people. You’d know that if you’d ever spoken to them.

The only impact a US civil war would have on communism would be to radicalise people against the current US political system (which they would blame for a civil war), as well as giving communist China free reign to expand its territory and influence.

There’s also the fact that a civil war would kill American men, women, and children...

[bstanko6]

We have done it before Cybermat

[em2nought]

This election was stolen before even a single ballot was cast. Stealing this election started before Donald Trump was even sworn into office. It will not be forgotten.

[Dowly]

You'd think that if there was nothing to these many claims that the Dems would want it all aired out to Trumpian shame but no. The strategy instead has been to suppress and ignore which to me is a clear sign that there is something to hide.
Why do you single out Dems? Both D and R judges dismissed and/or ruled against Trump & co's lawsuits.

[Jimbuna]

Pure speculation atm but could well be true.

Speculation grows that Donald Trump may fly to Scotland on eve of Joe Biden's inauguration.

Prestwick Airport, near the president’s Turnberry golf resort, is said to have been told to expect the arrival of a US military Boeing 757
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/04/speculation-grows-donald-trump-may-fly-scotland-eve-joe-bidens/

[Skybird]

Pure speculation atm but could well be true.
Thats good, now you can close the air space just in time and stop the pollution before it even begins.

[Buddahaid]

Why do you single out Dems? Both D and R judges dismissed and/or ruled against Trump & co's lawsuits.

Simple. Those aren't real Republicans because they didn't kowtow to the president's whims, and instead used the rule of law, besides, this election was stolen so long ago nobody remembers when it started.

[Jimbuna]

Pure speculation atm but could well be true.

Commenting on reports that Donald Trump might come to Scotland within the next few weeks, she said non-essential travel was not allowed.

That rule applied to the president as much as anyone else, she added.

Sturgeon said she didn’t have any knowledge of his travel plans but she didn’t view playing golf as an essential reason to travel.

Trump owns golf courses in Scotland and a second course at his Aberdeenshire resort was approved in October.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55542393

[Skybird]

I wanna see that happening, that the moment Biden is in office Trump is not allowed into Scotland anymore due to his pet hobby, Corona, and him not being president anymore. I am on the Scots' side in this, of course. :D

[Skybird]

this election was stolen so long ago nobody remembers when it started.


I think it was the Manhattan project, I mean the real purpose of the Manhattan project.

[Cybermat47]

We have done it before Cybermat

And it led to 616,224 - 1,000,000+ dead Americans, and you did such a good job of ejecting the Confederates that there are still statues of them and still people flying their flags today. So I’m not sure what makes a repeat of that so attractive.

[Rockstar]

So euros are all in a tizzy about the U.S. while this goes on in your own country and back yard?

Do a search "riots in Germany". Water cannons, pepper spray, and fires. Ferchrissakes they're everywhere. I think you all are projecting your anger. (edit:) Better yet do a search "riots Europe" and damn near every country has recently seen a rise in the use of tear gas, pepper spray, and water cannons.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000007461074/berlin-coronavirus-lockdown-protest.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLN0eR3Z-wA

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1280180/Germany-chaos-Angela-Merkel-riot-police-protests-lockdown-coronavirus

Clean up your act and your own house before you come here an start telling my about how dusty my furniture is ya bunch whinny hypocrites

[Mr Quatro]

Watching the big Georgia Senate run off race on CNN right now and only one person came in one voting place with no one in line
behind the reporter on the actual voting day so then they switch to inside and behold only one person was voting inside.

Maybe a low voter turn out due to over 4 million votes already cast, uh?

Plus these two GOP US Senators in question got fifty thousand more votes when they ran in November 3rd election ...
so that means the GOP ticket was split for them and the other POTUS vote was for Biden?

I don't thinks so ... foul play is suspected. I hope it's not too late to prove it.

Like u crank said the GOP only needs to win one seat to retain control of the US Senate. :up:

[Buddahaid]

I don't buy any of the foul play speculations. It's just harmful rumor mongering.

[Wolferz]

QUACKERS!!!!!

Now t's just ludicrous.

[August]

Sturgeon said she didn’t have any knowledge of his travel plans but she didn’t view playing golf as an essential reason to travel.


I seriously doubt that Trump would want to play golf in Scotland in the dead of winter. Maybe somebody should tell this Sturgeon person that Trump probably doesn't intend on dressing in a skirt, painting himself blue and personally reenacting the Battle of Stirling Bridge either.

[Buddahaid]

I seriously doubt that Trump would want to play golf in Scotland in the dead of winter. Maybe somebody should tell this Sturgeon person that Trump probably doesn't intend on dressing in a skirt, painting himself blue and personally reenacting the Battle of Stirling Bridge either.

Are you sure about that......

[August]

Clean up your act and your own house before you come here an start telling my about how dusty my furniture is ya bunch whinny hypocrites


I think some of them have a problem with the fact that what peace they have enjoyed these past 6 decades is primarily because of America and then whining is how that jealousy and hate manifests itself. We should just abandon them to their own devices and watch them devolve back into the constant warfare and strife that has marked their entire recorded history.

[August]

Are you sure about that......


Dude just because you and I would do that doesn't mean it would be wise for a septuagenarian to try it.

[Von Due]

The song remains the same, someone said. Rich Hall delivers a good, and dry-witted, history lesson on presidency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSB2qXgRJkk

This whole thread sounds like all the presidental campaigns combined

[mapuc]

I'm astonished to say it simple.

Saw an issue in the Danish news some hours ago.

The reporter, expert on American politics was visiting Georgia where he spoke to people. Some Dem, but mostly Rep supporters.

When I heard what they said I was astonished that they have such a strong belief.
As it says "Hope is the last thing that leaves the human"

They are still hoping for a miracle.

Markus

[Catfish]

The song remains the same, someone said. Rich Hall delivers a good, and dry-witted, history lesson on presidency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSB2qXgRJkk

This whole thread sounds like all the presidental campaigns combined
Good report.
But please, stop making sense, this is the US politics thread :O:

[Von Due]

Good report.
But please, stop making sense, this is the US politics thread :O:

Cauliflower. There. Back to regular schedule.

[bstanko6]

@Cybermat...

It was 630,000 dead, and freedom of speech is allowed in the US as far as statues go. But socialists, liberals, and communists don’t understand free speech...

Unless they are “peacefully rioting” beating people up who don’t agree with them, and burning their own cities down while killing more innocent people in the name of one criminal turd that died due to high dosages of meth and fentynol, not police brutality.

::mic drop::

Thank you Cleveland!!! I’ll be here all weekend!!

[Buddahaid]

Oh, only 630,000, that's okay then. Tearing down racist idolatry is also freedom of speech if erecting them is freedom of speech. Republican wannabe militias just don't understand that.

Grow up.

[vienna]

Are you sure about that......

Dude just because you and I would do that doesn't mean it would be wise for a septuagenarian to try it.


Er, um, you do know you're talking about Trump here? The Madness of Queen Donnie? The guy is such a flake and such a drama queen I wouldn't put anything past him; it is interesting that his first thing to do on leaving office is a trip outside the US; I wonder if it has less to do with golf and more to do with the very real possibility of criminal indictments and/or charges coming down from states like NY, and now, possibly, Georgia; he may be able to weasel out of Federal charges if he does something like resign on the last day of his tenure and get Pence to pardon him before President Biden gets in (I really think there is very little chance SCOTUS would ever look or decide favorably on any President giving himself a pardon for criminal acts); once Trump is indicted/charged in a stste court, prosecutors could move to have Trump surrender his passport, blocking any legal attempt by Trump to escape trial; who knows?; maybe Trump wants to confer in the UK with Assange to see if Donnie can get asylum in some foreign embassy/consulate there; or, maybe, its because Scotland is a relatively short hop to Moscow where his butt-buddy Vlad can give him shelter from the storm...

One thing that did happen just before Xmas, and went unnoticed in the din of Trump's whining and bleating, and, also, with wider concerns over Covid, was the sudden 'resignations' of two of Trump's personal bankers from Deutsche Bank (DB), the only major bank still doing business with the Great Loser; he has burned all the other major banks so often, none will touch his business, corporate or personal...


Trump’s longtime personal bankers resign from Deutsche Bank --

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-longtime-personal-bankers-resign-from-deutsche-bank-11608697069


The story of Trump and DB is the story of a remarkably corrupt and highly suspicious relationship between DB and Trump; DB had been accused of and found to be involved in money laundering for criminal activities and shady personal individual transactions at just the same time Trump was taken on as a customer, reportedly upon the referral of a Russian oligarch whom Trump was trying to persuade to assist Trump on some of his Russian real estate ventures; the oligarch in question also was a target of the investigation by international banking authorities for money laundering; of the two personal bankers for Trump at DB, Vrablic is the one who appears to have had contact with some of the shadier DB clients in the past and up to her 'resignation', including Trump and Kushner, and has assisted them in some of their highly questionable business transactions; Vrbalic even engineered a bailout of Trump when the the DB real Estate division Trump make a USD $40,000,000 penalty payment on a one of his typically severely defaulted loans,and, how did Vrbalic help out Trump?; by making a loan to Trump, as his personal banker, with DB funds, of USD $40,000,000 so Trump could pay the DB Real Estate division's penalty charges; it is amazing DB didn't put the kibosh on such a blatant book-cooking scheme, but, then again, DB has a history of not being the most ethical, honest, or scrupulous of banks when it comes to their shady clientele; now that the several other shoes are about to drop once Queen Don is ousted, DB and other entities and persons seem to be in the market to shed any connections to Trump that may (and, in some case, surely) will come back to bite them...


Is Donald Trump's Dark Russian Secret Hiding in Deutsche Bank's Vaults? --

https://www.newsweek.com/2017/12/29/donald-trump-russia-secret-deutsche-bank-753780.html


Deutsche Bank Is The 'Rosetta Stone' To Unlock Trump Finances, Journalist Says --

https://www.kcur.org/2019-05-10/deutsche-bank-is-the-rosetta-stone-to-unlock-trump-finances-journalist-says


A lot of the information about Trump and DB was known before he started his run for office in 2015;; when he announced and was certified as the GOP candidate in2016, I did some research into Trump since I didn't know much about him other than his pop culture status and reality show existence; I found articles about Trump's shady and allegedly illegal dealings as far back as 2005 and earlier, but almost no one had heard of the situation since Trump was merely just another shady NY businessman flying under the radar of intensive scrutiny; an awful lot of detail info was out there and, if you did the homework it was relatively easy to find; one of the reasons I am not at all that surprised to see the idiotic, insane, deranged, distasteful, and illegal actions and activities Trump has displayed in his train wreck of an administration is because, if you looked beneath the thin veneer surface of Trump's self-proclaimed "greatness", there is just another petty con man who is milking all the marks and suckers for all they are worth, and, like the vast majority of inept con men, he has played his con too long and is now going to have to pay a price...


BTW, it seems yet another prominent, top-tier law firm wants nothing to do with Trump (in the same way as reputable major banks, reputable, prominent law firms have also shunned Trump due to his stiffing and burning them on payment of billings); on the now infamous (and illegal) Trump phone call attempt to bully the Georgia Secretary of State into breaking the law and falsifying vote tallies, one of the Trump councilors was Cleta Mitchell, an attorney and partner at the Milwaukee law firm of Foley & Lardner; Mitchell resigned one day after her firm issued a statement distancing themselves from Mitchell and her involvement in the illegal Trump call; the wording of the statement issued by Mitchell and the firm announcing her resignation was a textbook example of a polite 'firing' of Mitchell by the firm in which she was a partner; my guess is Foley & Lardner were either unaware of the extent of Mitchell's extracurricular activities (Trump does not appear to have been a formal client of the firm) or did not have reason to expect Mitchell would be fool enough to participate in such a blatant criminal act; I guess it just doesn't look good for the firm's resume to even remotely appear to condone criminality...


Republican attorney on Trump’s call to Georgia officials resigns from law firm --

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/05/trump-georgia-phone-call-attorney-resigns-455206


I wonder if Mitchel seriously believes Trump will pay her bill when she presents it to him... :haha:





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[vienna]

Maybe a higher just and moral authority will intervene...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZiF0QeXgpM


...meanwhile, in the bunker...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3kjoSyauhw






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[Hawk66]

..they have enjoyed these past 6 decades is primarily because of America......

That is true, more or less.

But you forget one little thing: The main reason your country was and is involved is also selfish: To sell products to Europe, to form a block of shared interests and (during the Cold War) a forward defense: If there would be ever a war with the Soviet Union, Europe would be devastated for sure and not necessarily the US.

Yeah, some Europeans are whining. But also some Americans are whining, not understanding what is the root cause of the current issues, still thinking to solve current issues with old recipes, which do not work anymore and instead seek their fortune in conspiracy theories...

[Skybird]

The anti-democracy-party.


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-gohmert-s-election-ploys-prove-republican-party-now-anti-ncna1252792

[vienna]

Just listening to the speculation on the radio about possibility of Trump pardons and the possibility of Trump resigning early to let Pence pardon him came up and it inspired a bit of a mull of a different scenario: suppose Pence gets fed up with the whole Trump loony-bin chaos over the election and Pence decides to resign himself or maybe he resigns just to dodge being in the position of having the political albatross of being the guy who pardoned Trump (like Ford pardoning Nixon); Pence resigns and, by law, Trump would have to nominate a new Vice-President, but here is where it gets interesting in the current situation: the nominee would have to be confirmed by both chambers of Congress the House and the Senate; the House is unlikely to confirm a Trump patsy/lackey and the Senate, pending the outcome of the Georgia Senate runoff (and it does look as if the DEMs are going to squeak by with a win in both seats), could also be in a less than Trump-favorable position to confirm a Pence successor; if there is a 50/50 Senate split, the deciding vote would go to whoever succeeds Pence as President of the Senate Pro Tem, but even then, without a House majority confirmation, any Trump nomination go nowhere, leaving Trump in the position of having no one to pardon him and leaving him to either try to pardon himself (not likely to be upheld) or try to plea bargain his way out when he leaves office; there is also the consideration of time in such a scenario: already we're only two weeks away from Biden taking office and, depending on when such a hypothetical scenario played out, there either wouldn't be enough time to fully exercise the confirmation process or the DEMs, particularly in the House, could simply delay and run out the clock on Trump's nominee...


I honestly don't think there's any real chance of such a scenario happening, but it is a good mull and, hey, they way things have been going, who's to say its all that far-fetched? I mean, did anyone have "President makes a recorded illegal vote tampering call to state Secretary of State in the final weeks of his term" on their bingo card?...





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[em2nought]

Left full rudder, all ahead Bendix! :down:

[bstanko6]

@Buddahaid...

yeah no, the statues were bought and paid for, and permitted to be placed there. Tearing them down is a criminal act of Criminal Damage To Property.

Again, liberal communists like you dont understand that.

[vienna]

Key word being "permitted"; permission are, in fact, revocable, for any reason the permitting entity(ies) impose; purchase and placement do not automatically entitle permission nor permanence; legal action, by the legally granted powers of the legal permitting entity(ies) is in no way a crime or even vandalism, under the law...




Reasonable, logical, and rational people know this...

...those that don't, well, there are three adjectives in the previous sentence of whom the antonyms are descriptive...





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[Cybermat47]

Again, liberal communists like you dont understand that.

You really have no idea what you’re talking about, do you? Communists hate liberals.

See for yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/****LiberalsSay/

You’ll have to copy and paste that URL and replace the *s with the sh-word.

[Catfish]

All who are not far right wingers must be evil communists. Like Jesus, you know.

@Von Due thanks for the flower :D

[Skybird]

Communists AND Conservatives, lefties and righties hate liberals/libertarians like the plague. True libertarians do not play by their corrupt rule book - and for that they will never be forgiven.

[bstanko6]

Vienna what are you talking about? The statues are public property. Petitioned to be there, legally. Before the US was invaded by idiots, you petition to have them removed. That is called democracy. And I’m fine with that!

[vienna]

Vienna what are you talking about? The statues are public property. Petitioned to be there, legally. Before the US was invaded by idiots, you petition to have them removed. That is called democracy. And I’m fine with that!


Yes, they are public property and as such, are administered by the duly elected public officials overseeing their placement or by their agents, as permitted by law; and, as such, they can indeed be moved, modified, and/or removed as the law permits and, unless there is some binding law the requires the permanence of the statues, their existence and/or location is at the permission of the overseeing body(ies); even if they were placed under a particular law, remember, no law is permanent or immutable: laws can be amended, revised or even repealed, if done so under the set legal structure; for that mater, even a set legal structure can be changed, under law; in the case of the statues, petitions were made and the duly elected, legally empowered, overseeing bodies responded to those positions as they saw was fit and took an action as they saw was fit; if you have an issue, it is not with the liberals or conservatives or 'dem dang Commanists', but with the law; what was done was done under the law: if you don't like the law, find some way to change the law, maybe by finding a way to get a majority of the people who vote to agree with you; that's how the rest of us do it...


..unless, of course, you're one of those who disrespect the law and do so out of ignorance of the law and how it works and what it stands for...





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[vienna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC2xpDGSSIE




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[u crank]

“China is going to eat our lunch? Come on, man,” Biden said during an Iowa campaign stop in 2019. “I mean, you know, they’re not bad folks, folks. But guess what? They’re not competition for us. The fact of the matter is we can do all we need to do without punishing anybody.”

Communist China is betting on a return to the status quo ante of American acquiescence to, and support of, its hegemonic ambitions through comprehensive "engagement" and outright appeasement under a Biden administration.

That is the primary takeaway, if the recent remarks of Chinese State Councilor and Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi are any indication.

https://www.newsweek.com/communist-china-preparing-eat-joe-bidens-lunch-opinion-1558822

In the waning days of 2020, Wang delivered a speech at the Asia Society entitled, "Reorient and Steer Clear of Disruptions for a Smooth Sailing of China-U.S. Relations." The title itself gives away the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) game: It seeks a reversion to the ostensibly pacific relations with the U.S. under which our ruling class aided, abetted and enabled its rise from trifling concern to our most formidable geopolitical adversary.

Wang would make this view even clearer in a subsequent interview published in CCP mouthpiece Xinhua, in which he said "China-U.S. relations have come to a new crossroads, and a new window of hope is opening." As Xinhua summarized it, "The Chinese side hopes that the next U.S. administration will return to a sensible approach, resume dialogue with China, restore normalcy to the bilateral relations and restart cooperation."

When can we expect the first state visit by President Biden to China? And will Hunter be going this time? :03:

[Jimbuna]

The Democratic Party of US President-elect Joe Biden is on the verge of taking control of the Senate as results come in from two elections in Georgia.

Atlanta pastor Raphael Warnock is projected to have won one of the seats. The other is on a knife-edge.

If the Democrats win both, Mr Biden will have a much better chance of pushing through his legislative agenda.

The election is being rerun because of Georgia's rule that a candidate must take 50% of the vote in order to win.

With 98% of votes counted, US TV networks and the Associated Press news agency called the first of the two races for Mr Warnock.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55544056

[Subnuts]

Wonder how much of an effect those Perdue attack ads I was constantly seeing on tv in friggin' Connecticut had on the election? :hmmm:

[Skybird]

I have no idea of the candidates' agendas and political stands, but I assume that a political system not being totally blocked in trench warfare for the coming 4 years and nothing goes back and forth and left and right anmyore, is better than a system where right this would be the case.


"Georgia" sounds very conservative to me, and no matter how it ends, with a Democratic win or a close, very close draw/loss of senate, it seems to show once again that many people are tired of certain things that Trump wanted them to vote for.



However, in the national picture, considering that the Democrats have not really consodlidated power in Congress and will take control of the Senate merely just so, it shows that they are not really loved much better than Trump's ego show.

[Mr Quatro]

Wonder how much of an effect those Perdue attack ads I was constantly seeing on tv in friggin' Connecticut had on the election? :hmmm:

:haha::up:

[Jimbuna]

Pence: 'I will keep my oath'

In his lengthy written statement, Vice-President Mike Pence says that his "largely ceremonial" role in today's special Congressional session does not allow him to reverse the 2020 election results and Joe Biden's win.

Congress is meeting to confirm President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral college victory. Click 'play' at top of page to watch live.

VP Mike Pence is overseeing the joint session, and President Trump wants him to block certification even though his role is a ceremonial one.

President Donald Trump has addressed thousands of supporters in
Washington DC and said ‘we will never concede’

He spoke as his party appeared to be losing their grip on the Senate as Democrats remain ahead in Georgia's second runoff race.

As the first black Senator from Georgia, Democrat Raphael Warnock's win is historic, but Democrats still need to win the second race.

If they do, they will control the US Senate, and it will be easier for President-elect Biden to enact his agenda.

‘Welcome to the new Georgia’, said Democrat Raphael Warnock, a pastor, who is projected to have beaten Republican Kelly Loeffler.

Democrat Jon Ossoff has claimed victory over Republican David Perdue in Georgia, but it’s still too close to call.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-55558355

[Mr Quatro]

As the first black Senator from Georgia, Democrat Raphael Warnock's win is historic, but Democrats still need to win the second race.

If they do, they will control the US Senate, and it will be easier for President-elect Biden to enact his agenda.



Yes it is still close on the one senator Purdue so close that a recount is automatically triggered.

But even if there is a tie the deciding vote to break the tie will be in the hands of the VP elect Harris. She still hasn't taken the oath of office.

If Biden/Harris do in fact get into power they will try to push everything they campaigned for in a hurry due to they know the next election is in just two more years.

The next election is for the House of representatives every two years and the next election is for some of the US Senators D or R I do not know.

So maybe we only have to put up with the tie situation for two more years, but the Biden/Harris problem for four more years.

My prayer is simply this that the voting public will see the mistakes that they have made and correct the situation.

It's going to get nasty with some of these protestors on both sides ... I'am sad to see it in my country, but we will have more black/white conflicts to come. :o

[Dowly]

https://i.imgur.com/EjTkehO.jpg


Someone came up to a WUSA9 reporter moments ago with a video allegedly showing someone having been shot inside the Capitol.

Nice one, Trump.

[Hawk66]

If moderate Republicans even now, with what is going on in D.C. currently, do not understand that it was a mistake to vote this men a second time then I am speechless.

[Buddahaid]

Not to worry. I keep being told Republicans only have peaceful protests.....

[em2nought]

Not to worry. I keep being told Republicans only have peaceful protests.....


Once governors take our jobs away, and an election is blatantly stolen we have more time on our hands for stuff like this. :03:

[Buddahaid]

Apparently it wasn't stolen except in eyes of the right wing propaganda.

[Skybird]

How unexpected this is. How unmotivated. The US can be so happy that its still seated president has nothing to do with it.

Some weeks ago, somehticn like this happened at the Berlin Reichstag, too, a mob of AfD primitives tried to storm into the foyer and were stopped by just three lonely policemen.

A frontal assault on the constitutional order, and democracy itself. Ivanka Trump called these mobsters "patriots", then deleted her tweet later.

BTW, there is a word for the events on display. Its called an attempted Putsch, a coup d'etat. I read that the National Guard was ordered on alarm already, but still they forgot to protect the buildig better, obviously. Somebody still takes Trump not serious...!?

America, you are in deep, deep messy trouble with yourself.


https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2021_01/3440131/210106-police-house-chamber-jm-1504_0e80178feca6d8ee30ccb9a2359e2a1d.fit-760w.jpg

[Buddahaid]

DC National Guard is being deployed. I wonder which side they will be on, well no I don't really.

Biden's speech calls for Trump to step up and end it. I doubt he's man enough.

[skidman]

"When asked why they weren’t expelling the protesters, the officer said, “We’ve just got to let them do their thing now.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-protests#marauding-protesters-vandalize-speaker-pelosis-office

[Dowly]

Trump's call for his bootlickers to go home:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058


(Spoilers: Don't expect much.)


I know your pain I know you're hurt we had an election that was stolen from us, it was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side, but you have to go home now. We have to have peace, we have to have law and order, we have to respect our great..people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt its a very tough period of time, there's never been a time like this where.. such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us, from me from you from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people, we have to have peace. So go home we love you, you're very special, you've seen what happens, you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil, I know how you feel but go home and go home in peace.

[Catfish]

He holds a "presidential speech" on twitter?
Still fanning the flames with his fraud lies.

[mapuc]

In my opinion what is happening in Washington is a disgrace.

I understand their frustration, but this is absolutely not the way to do it.

In other words I would say that Trump and his supporters are sore losers

Edit
Since following is from a friends friend who has a son who lives in the States I can't confirm the truth in it.
According to this son, they(don't know who) are planning on removing Trump immediately
End edit

Markus

[Buddahaid]

That would be a mistake. Due process needs to be followed or it will fuel further dissent.

[Onkel Neal]

This is nuts. :k_confused:

This is totally inappropriate.

[GoldenRivet]

When a nation is reduced, in simplest terms, to two competing ideologies that are totally imcompatible, this is inevitably the result.

the left wants to destroy the right with due process

the right wants to destory the left with due process

apparently there are some folks who simply wish to cut out the middle man

[Buddahaid]

I think there is, or was, far more overlapping of ideals for the general population. You can't paint all of us as extremist because some of us are.

[GoldenRivet]

I think there is, or was, far more overlapping of ideals for the general population. You can't paint all of us as extremist because some of us are.

im not intending to paint everyone or even anyone as an extremist.

The politicians are the extremists we are forced to choose from unfortunately i suppose

you have a president elect threatening to shut down an entire industry and close shop for tens of millions of Americans - thats a real pisser.

the rest of us who continue to be employed are taxed to the out house and back just so the rest can afford to sit on their rear ends.

a real mess has been made by an ever growing government that is entrenched in every aspect of our daily lives

[Rockstar]

BTW, there is a word for the events on display. Its called an attempted Putsch, a coup d'etat. I read that the National Guard was ordered on alarm already, but still they forgot to protect the buildig better, obviously. Somebody still takes Trump not serious...!?

America, you are in deep, deep messy trouble with yourself.







No its not a putsch nor is it a rebellion there is a big difference between putsch/rebellion and what even our next President Joe Biden described as insurrection. Looks messy, but I'll have to admit that in the long run it may do some good.

[GoldenRivet]

Democrats support the Police now though :hmmm:

[mapuc]

Democrats support the Police now though :hmmm:

I'm watching CNN right now and I haven't seen civilian standing side by side with the riot police or ordinary police.

Markus

[August]

No its not a putsch nor is it a rebellion there is a big difference between putsch/rebellion and what even our next President Joe Biden described as insurrection. Looks messy, but I'll have to admit that in the long run it may do some good.


Skybird thinks that free speech rights only exist when it's a cause he personally supports. According to him everyone else is a nazi by default.

[bstanko6]

I hate to toot my own horn when I say that I told you so about the Civil War happening.

But… Toot toot!

[Skybird]

:k_confused:

This is totally inappropriate.
Its hereby certified that with immediate effect you qualify for becoming a British gentleman. :D

NBC says IEDs have been found outside the Capitol. It is further said that curfew is imminent.

I agree with those saying that a red line has been crossed. Trump must be immediately removed and stripped of all powers, arrested. I dont care for the paragraph of the law and whether the geometry of the dot above the letter i is perfect enough. A red line has been crossed, and it all is a direct and frontal attack on the state, the election, and the constitutional order - and Trump is the Svengali behind it.

If Trumpism is not being confronted with all consequences now - WHEN THEN, what else must happen? Martial law? Bombs going up? Lynch mobs in the streets?

Anythign else is appeasement. And it should be known where appeasement leads, always: nowhere. It only encourages the other.

Many people wanted a conflict. Well, they got it. Congratulations. Enjoy.

[bstanko6]

For a whole year people have been destroying cities killing people rioting looting destroying peoples lives. And now the other side finally wants to have their voice and SKYBIRD wants to arrest Trump? Skybird you are one of the most lamest people I’ve ever heard on the Internet. If you’re gonna tell me that once Side can have free speech and the other can’t then you need to stay out of US politics!

[Jeff-Groves]

"NBC says IEDs have been found outside the Capitol"

Potential IED's.
I saw a butt load of people with back packs. Again, POTENTIAL IED's!
I have empty boxes in my back room. Are those also potential IED's?
:hmmm:

[Mr Quatro]

Democrats support the Police now though :hmmm:

:haha: So funny due to I never heard a word from the left wing when the other riots were going on in our country from one end to the other end :yep:

[Cybermat47]

I hate to toot my own horn when I say that I told you so about the Civil War happening.

But… Toot toot!

No-one doubted you. I simply found it concerning that you seemed eager about the prospect of your country to be torn apart by civil war.

Funnily enough, the country that your war would benefit the most is communist China, seeing as it would give their expansionism free range.

[Catfish]

:haha: So funny due to I never heard a word from the left wing when the other riots were going on in our country from one end to the other end :yep:
So funny you only listened to Fox News :03:

[bstanko6]

Cyber mat... Don’t worry about why we go to Civil War bro. We were born in it. This is how democracy works. And it’s so sweet.

[Rockstar]

Skybird thinks that free speech rights only exist when it's a cause he personally supports. According to him everyone else is a nazi by default.




Well I do agree with Skybird in that has gotten a bit messy. My mom is in her eighties and we talking about politics of the last few decades. She never recalled a time when she was growing up and beginning a family. When politics , media were as divisive, bitter, polarizing and angry.

I have no political affiliation or horse in this race. But in this country when people are ticked of they get to storm the castle, because its their castle. I'm hoping career politicians in both parties who inhabit our castle and media take note and stop the divisive childish bullsheet.

[August]

:haha: So funny due to I never heard a word from the left wing when the other riots were going on in our country from one end to the other end :yep:


Yeah they certainly aren't calling it a "mostly peaceful protest" now are they.

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah they certainly aren't calling it a "mostly peaceful protest" now are they.

:Kaleun_Wink:Hah, that's the truth.

[mapuc]

The first victime of this "event" has happened.

A woman who was shot inside the Congress has died from her wounds.

Sad.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

I have to wonder about 1 thing I heard a Reporter say.
He stated he wore Body Armour and a Helmet in the Middle East and this is the first time he had to wear it in the USA.
So. WTF was he doing bringing that gear unless he KNEW before hand he needed it?
:hmmm:

AND where are images of him ACTUALLY WEARING it? Or was that just BS to fan the flames?

[Cybermat47]

Cyber mat... Don’t worry about why we go to Civil War bro. We were born in it. This is how democracy works. And it’s so sweet.

Maybe you can tell the woman’s family that her death was sweet.

[Buddahaid]

Maybe you can tell the woman’s family that her death was sweet.

Don't waste your breath your talking to a juke box with one broken record.

[Jeff-Groves]

Maybe you can tell the woman’s family that her death was sweet.

Give it time.
Some one will say it's a false flag and any grieving family are Government actors.
:nope:

[Skybird]

NBC repeats earlier claim:

Live / National Guard en route after mob shuts down Congress, IED found outside Capitol

[Wolferz]

Would you care for two free tickets to Ford' theater?

Well, boys and girls, it appears that the GOP has come full circle then did a U turn.

They started their run with the Great Emancipator and a civil war.
Now they will end their run with The Great Instigator and a civil war.

Keep it up all you redneck republicans. You're making the British proud.

Redcoats burned it down once now it's redstates trying to emulate.

What was going on this afternoon was not a constitutional right. It was mob rule incited by the Commander In Chief.
Throw the book at each and every man jack who participated in this debacle. Then lock them up and throw away the key.
@Skybird: Please continue voicing your views since your countryman have seen similar events occur and the horrific aftermath wrought by evil because good men did nothing.

[August]

Don't waste your breath your talking to a juke box with one broken record.


Who shot her I wonder? The cops? Some deranged Democrat thinking he was at a softball game?

[Catfish]

So when people, who prefer someone else than Trump, win the election, democracy should be abandoned? Think again. The only one telling that there was election fraud is Trump. And where was this evidence exactly?

Does anyone really think that Biden will introduce communism, or don't you think this is an empty threat and BS from Trump? Why does anyone believe this? Just because some obviously want to believe it, does not make it true. Even Trump does not believe it, he is just fanning the flames.

So Biden will "shut down the oil industry"? BS again. He said he wants to invent and introduce other means of energy over time, so that there will be alternatives in the long run.
The US does not "produce" oil, it is pressing out the very rest of what was once there, using "fracking" methods means the oil does not even flow freely anymore, this is the end of the line. What the hell do you think will happen if the reserves really run dry? Why not looking for alternatives?

Where is the american spirit towards new technology and new jobs in new and different sectors? Silicone valley? SpaceX? Are the US still whining about those horses lost to the automobile industry?

A police officer shooting a running black man in the back seven times, "in self defense", and the officer will now not face any charges. But Trump says it is the "Antifa" and "the left" protesting against police brutality? Because an idiot and Breitbart say so? It is common people protesting against police brutality, and some copycats.

And because left and right looters exploit the situation in a rare moment of consent, it is some "antifa" to blame? I tell you something, the antifa sure has a political anti-Nazi agenda, but the looting surely was not done by them. What about Trump fans with guns driving through villages in self-appointed "Trump" rallies intimidating people?

The virus is a hoax, created by the democrats? Does anyone with a half pound of minced meat in his head believe that?

This is not about democrats or republicans. This is about abuse of power and a little child only caring for his own ego, while the nation which voted for him four years ago (but not again) and which he swore to promote and protect, is going to the dogs.

This voice record between Trump and the republican minister of Georgia alone is a document of contemporary history which will make Trump at least lose his office, if not going directly to jail. It shows how the current POTUS despises law and order, which is is no surprise. But the real problem is to what extent Trump has damaged the values of a country, by instigating millions of people with his lies, inciting hate, destroying a political party, and maybe democracy at all.

Great show, Trump.

[Buddahaid]

Who shot her I wonder? The cops? Some deranged Democrat thinking he was at a softball game?

I don't know and am waiting to find out. Meanwhile the lunatic end of the Democrats steps in the don Don dog poo.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/532988-democratic-lawmakers-call-for-pence-to-invoke-25th-amendment-remove

[mapuc]

Yes it's dramatic scenes we are seeing live from Washington. But is this the beginning of a Civil war in USA ?

I doubt it-I truly hope it isn't

Markus

[Gorpet]

The first victime of this "event" has happened.

A woman who was shot inside the Congress has died from her wounds.

Sad.

Markus

Yes now that its young republican Trump supporters,the Demorats Let loose the bullits and the dogs of civil war. Its time To clean the Washington Swamp of the Demorats and the Rhinos. And in every city in this country.

[bstanko6]

Cybermat...

Maybe she was doing what she wanted. Showing support for her president and ejecting the idiots who stole the election out of that building. It’s called being a patriot pal. I know you don’t know anything about that.

[Buddahaid]

It isn't. It just indigestion working it's way out.

[Buddahaid]

Cybermat...

Maybe she was doing what she wanted. Showing support for her president and ejecting the idiots who stole the election out of that building. It’s called being a patriot pal. I know you don’t know anything about that.

Scritch, scritch, scritch......

[August]

This voice record between Trump and the republican minister of Georgia alone is a document of contemporary history which will make Trump at least l


You have no idea of what you are talking about. Did you actually listen to the recording or did you just read a few cherry picked out of context snippets before making this ridiculous pronouncement?

[Rockstar]

A blast from the past Hilliary would be proud

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" - Hillary Clinton

"Since when has it been part of American patriotism to keep our mouths shut?" - Hillary Clinton 2006

https://neonnettle.com/news/images/Hillary-clinton-Gross-Negligence-fbi.jpg

[eddie]

Yes now that its young republican Trump supporters,the Demorats Let loose the bullits and the dogs of civil war. Its time To clean the Washington Swamp of the Demorats and the Rhinos. And in every city in this country.


Typical response from someone who hasn't the guts to follow up his threats,LMAO!! How does it feel to support the first President since 1932 to lose reelection, plus the Senate and House at the same time !!??!! He's a triple loser,lol

[Cybermat47]

Cybermat...

Maybe she was doing what she wanted. Showing support for her president and ejecting the idiots who stole the election out of that building. It’s called being a patriot pal.

Do you think that the death of a patriot is a good thing? If not, don’t call civil war “sweet”.

I know you don’t know anything about that.

Haha, what? Name one thing I’ve said that even suggests I’m not a patriotic Australian. Then explain how that’s at all relevant to a discussion of US politics.

[Texas Red]

I cannot express my true feelings in a positive tone how disgusted, ashamed, and angered I am at this attempted coup by Trump's brainwashed maniacs. FYI I'm not talking about the Trump supporters here, just the insane ones attempting the coup. I cannot believe the mess America is in because of that man and his false-news spreading, stupidity, and his brainwashing of American people to follow him blindly.
This man has prolonged the suffering of the American people throughout the pandemic. He has flatly defied democracy, the American people, and the norms for a presidential race. He has also provoked today's coup with his baseless claims of fraud when the only true evidence of fraud came from him. His call on Twitter for the revolters to go in peace and love was teetering on the edge of supporting his revolters, it certainly gave me the feels that he supported his people and kinda failed at not showing that through his tweets.

Maybe she was doing what she wanted. Showing support for her president and ejecting the idiots who stole the election out of that building. It’s called being a patriot pal.

Melania Trump called these people "patriots". Let me tell you, real patriots build democracy, not destroy it.

So far Biden and a majority of Congress and politicians- including his own- have spoken appropriate responses to this smashed coup.

Don't take this as a personal attack from a teenager who thinks he knows everything about the world. I am not attacking anyone, nor do I think I know everything. I am just venting my feelings here.

[Skybird]

@Skybird: Please continue voicing your views since your countryman have seen similar events occur and the horrific aftermath wrought by evil because good men did nothing.
Actually we have had a small incident just a few weeks ago. During an AfD demonstration that the chaotic and far left-leaning Berlin senate let go on for too long, some dozen AFD sympathisers stormed the stairs before the Reichstag and wanted to "storm" the building. The police got caught on the wrong foot and was ill prepared (by order of the senate too few troopers were activated), only three officers where at the entrance to parliament and yelled the mob down and held them back with quite some courage and bare hands.

However impertinent it was, it was relatively minor still and does not compare to what currently goes on in Washington.

If this serves not as a wakeup call, America and everything it claims to stand for will be lost. Red lines have been crossed. Dangerous precedences were created. If today and tonight is not seen as the reason to draw a line in the sand and say "Until here - but not one step further!", then all will be lost. When today you do not say "No!" to it all - when then...??? When mobs chase potlical opponents htorugh the streets? The secret police let peope, dissapear? Soldiers marhcing in the street and m,ahcine gun fireto be heared in the night? America knows all this just from Hollywood movies. It has no experience with it itself. It does nto knpow howe these things come into existence, why they happen, how they start. Academical study and practical exerience - are two very different things. This is no Marcel Avenger story with an inbuild guarantee that all will be well again in the end, and even the losses told have the odour of heroism and glory around them . This is the real thing. And if you do not take it serious, it will bite your face off.



Trump must be held accountable for the violence he wanted, that he inspired, that he motivated, that he implied - and this since months and years. Trump is guilty. This should be let sinking into everybody's mind. Trump is guilty. He is not just responsible, he is not just the man in the background, nor is he a vicit m of ciorcumstance or whaever. Trump is guilty. GUILTY.



So are the minions licking his azz since months and years in a display of servility and masochism (Pence, and others, but especially Pence) that must make every grown up decent man feel ashamed and wanting to get lost from the eyes of the public. What pitiful carricatures of men and women there are in Trump'S imminent vicinity! One would laugh at them until they cry and beg for mercy, if things were not so dangerous and serious.

[August]

Typical response from someone who hasn't the guts to follow up his threats,LMAO!! How does it feel to support the first President since 1932 to lose reelection, plus the Senate and House at the same time !!??!! He's a triple loser,lol


You think that you can just get rid of Trump and this all ends? Sorry but it's more than just about one man now. I don't know if it will begin full blown shooting civil war but this definitely doesn't go away after Jan 20th.

[Texas Red]

I don't know if it will begin full blown shooting civil war but this definitely doesn't go away after Jan 20th.

I pray to God that a civil war doesn't break out. But it is unlikely since any revolt will be crushed by national troops unless it has some inside people who control or influence major parts of this government.

[Von Due]

Lots of lost marbles around now. Talk of civil war. Over what? Claims? Any of them "civil war" supporters even for a minute evaluate the consequences of the possibility of them being wrong, them being lied to? This is mass hysteria alright.

Get a grip, folks!

[Buddahaid]

Now let's look at state rankings for federal dependency. All those who decry their tax dollars getting spent supporting welfare recipients and the like that are democratic ****holes should see which states are better at supporting themselves.

The Fox news data was too old to use and i welcome other data.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

[August]

Now let's look at state rankings for federal dependency. All those who decry their tax dollars getting spent supporting welfare recipients and the like that are democratic ****holes should see which states are better at supporting themselves.

The Fox news data was too old to use and i welcome other data.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700


With all the people and businesses being chased out of Democrat run cities and states i''ll bet that newer (non-manipulated) data would show a quite different picture.

[bstanko6]

ROCKSTAR WITH THE MIC DROP!!!!!!

[Buddahaid]

I don't doubt it but it's not easy to find 2020 data.

[bstanko6]

Cybermat...
You can call yourself a patriotic whatever. But you were not a patriotic Australian when you give up your guns willfully. You guys sat there bent over and let your government take away your only form of protection. Shame on you.

People like you that are scared of the government or a cancer and that’s why tyrannical government exist.

You go ahead and sit in your kangaroo pouch while us real men save you from World War II, and communism during the 80s.

[Jeff-Groves]

:hmmm:
Do you that call this an attempted 'coup' even understand the word or how to apply it?

Let not your ignorance show by opening Thy non-educated mouth.

[Buddahaid]

Cybermat...
You can call yourself a patriotic whatever. But you were not a patriotic Australian when you give up your guns willfully. You guys sat there bent over and let your government take away your only form of protection. Shame on you.

People like you that are scared of the government or a cancer and that’s why tyrannical government exist.

You go ahead and sit in your kangaroo pouch while us real men save you from World War II, and communism during the 80s.

Twisted logic based solely on gun ownership. Defending your country can mean so much more.

[Jeff-Groves]

Defending your country can mean so much more.
Now THAT I agree with.
:salute:

[bstanko6]

We start by having fair elections

[Jeff-Groves]

Trump is guilty. GUILTY.

Nice to see you admit to being ABOVE the Laws of the U.S.A. and say out right You are the sole Judge and Jury.

[Von Due]

We start by having fair elections

Fair? As in every president elect is a republican? Isn't this at the core of it? That, and a blind faith in what those who agree with you must be right since they agree, and Trump would never tell a lie.

[Buddahaid]

We start by having fair elections

We did and you lost. Think they are not fair? Let's fix it for next time so everybody's happy. Let's move to a bulletproof mail in voting mechanism so nobody can be intimidated, or prevented to vote, by needless hurdles. I'm sure Republicans can use a mail box without too much trouble.

[Jeff-Groves]

I'm sure Republicans can use a mail box without too much trouble.
Well. They'd have to put Mail boxes back on street corners or such 1st.
Most of those have gone the way of the DoDo.
:D

[Buddahaid]

Well. They'd have to put Mail boxes back on street corners or such 1st.
Most of those have gone the way of the DoDo.
:D

Yes, and including the one on my street sadly.

[Rosencrantz]

You think that you can just get rid of Trump and this all ends? Sorry but it's more than just about one man now. I don't know if it will begin full blown shooting civil war but this definitely doesn't go away after Jan 20th.

August, you are probably right that this, what has happened in your country, won't go away after Jan 20th and Trump. I totally agree with you.

As a foreigner I don't want to say anything about US domestic policy. However, as a European, I would like to state that the harm the Trumpist policy - should I say religion - has done to US reputation throughout the Western World will be very hard to compensate in any near future. To be straight, it'll probably take decades, not years.

Why? The simple answer is, that sometimes there are fights which are not fought in battle fields nor with guns. But in minds and hearts, and with words, deeds and dignity. These fights I am now talking about are also not just the greatest fights of all the fights we can face, but they are also fights Trump regime has been loosing throughout the World for 4 years in a row. That's something I would like to call a National Disaster of all times.

greetings,
-RC-

[Onkel Neal]

So funny you only listened to Fox News :03:

No, he's right, I watch a lot of CNN, they called them "mostly peaceful protests".

The term "mob" just made its appearance today.




Its hereby certified that with immediate effect you qualify for becoming a British gentleman. :D

NBC says IEDs have been found outside the Capitol. It is further said that curfew is imminent.

I agree with those saying that a red line has been crossed. Trump must be immediately removed and stripped of all powers, arrested. I dont care for the paragraph of the law and whether the geometry of the dot above the letter i is perfect enough. A red line has been crossed, and it all is a direct and frontal attack on the state, the election, and the constitutional order - and Trump is the Svengali behind it.

If Trumpism is not being confronted with all consequences now - WHEN THEN, what else must happen? Martial law? Bombs going up? Lynch mobs in the streets?

Anythign else is appeasement. And it should be known where appeasement leads, always: nowhere. It only encourages the other.

Many people wanted a conflict. Well, they got it. Congratulations. Enjoy.

Actually, if you could suggest a country where men are still men, where people who don't work get hungry, and where the govt and half the populace aren't trying to run your life and tell you what is acceptable to think and say, I would be happy to renounce my US citizenship and move.

[Buddahaid]

Actually, if you could suggest a country where men are still men, where people who don't work get hungry, and where the govt and half the populace aren't trying to run your life and tell you what is acceptable to think and say, I would be happy to renounce my US citizenship and move.

Do I have a deal for you. One owner and all the receipts. :haha:
https://i2.wp.com/www.edwud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/tiny-island-in-bora-bora.jpg?resize=1400%2C933&ssl=1

[Onkel Neal]

Haha, I'm already on an "island". :03:

[Mr Quatro]

Do I have a deal for you. One owner and all the receipts. :haha:
https://i2.wp.com/www.edwud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/tiny-island-in-bora-bora.jpg?resize=1400%2C933&ssl=1

I'm sorry to inform you Buddahaid, but the improvements to your island were not properly permitted and you will have to tear them down before you can offer the island for sale.

Please contact your county assessor of the controlling country your island belongs to :yep: