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Onkel Neal
11-11-20, 01:42 PM
If it was up to me, Dems would go all in on trying to prosecute every single one of those who took part in eroding your checks & balances system.
So, you want a black hole north of N. Carolina, and west of El Paso then? Sounds good.
AVGWarhawk
11-11-20, 01:42 PM
I didn't say anything about unity or healing. If it was up to me, Dems would go all in on trying to prosecute every single one of those who took part in eroding your checks & balances system. Without consequences, the next Trump (or Dem equivalent) will just do the same thing again.
Just who are those that took part in eroding the checks and balance system? Other than abusing executive orders(which Biden is fulling going to do. Trump, Obama and Bush did abuse) the checks and balance system seems to be in good shape.
Of course, you are completely an innocent victim and never play a bait and switch game attempting to goad others into rules infractions while skirting them yourself. You never ignore being put on the spot and then attempt to put others on the spot with a later post which you hide behind playing the victim.
Right. :up:
Oh quit crying, August.
No actually I believe it was you crying over your fantasy that I somehow disrespected your nations ww2 war dead. After you got your hands slapped by the mods over it you have since sniped at me every chance you got.
Keep trying little squirrel. :up:
AVGWarhawk
11-11-20, 02:39 PM
Keep trying little squirrel. :up:
Ferret.
Catfish
11-11-20, 02:45 PM
I think a two-weeks lockdown would be a good thing for this forum.
AVGWarhawk
11-11-20, 02:48 PM
I think a two-weeks lockdown would be a good thing for this forum.
Fascist!
No actually I believe it was you crying over your fantasy that I somehow disrespected your nations ww2 war dead. After you got your hands slapped by the mods over it you have since sniped at me every chance you got.Yet you're the one who keeps bringing it up, not me. :roll:
Ferret.
It's an alpaca, ok?
u crank
11-11-20, 03:04 PM
I think a two-weeks lockdown would be a good thing for this forum.
Do we have to wear masks?
Yet you're the one who keeps bringing it up, not me. :roll:
I just want to keep reminding you that your wish remains unfulfilled. :up:
Ferret.
Oh yeah right Ferret.
Catfish
11-11-20, 03:34 PM
Fascist!
Yes, and we embrace it of course, as you do, from you this is big praise. People who want lockdowns are fascists, people who want other people to wear masks are fascists, and Trumpsters are fascists. Antifascists are fascists and jews and muslims are fascists. Black lives matter protesters are fascists, especially if they fight Proud boy fascists or KuKluxClan fascists, maybe (or not?) supported by the Deep State fascists. And then the rioters, all fascists, along with the police fascists tyring to hinder them. Then the communist fascists. Hard to be a unique feature fascist these days. Damn, even Alex Jones has problems with his orientation now.
Catfish
11-11-20, 03:37 PM
Do we have to wear masks?
Only if the colour fits your tinfoil hat, we do not want visual environmental pollution.
AVGWarhawk
11-11-20, 03:37 PM
It's an alpaca, ok?
Whatever floats your boat. :up:
Ok Trump refuse to accept the outcome. Biden has said he won. They seem to have fight these two a verbal fight over who won...does this mean we shall do the same ?
Secondly this disunity who already was there when Trump was elected has grown even bigger under his Presidential term...Biden has a huge task in front of him and if he doesn't try his best to remove or reduce this disunity...another Trump or even worse will be elected in USA in the future.
Markus
u crank
11-11-20, 03:47 PM
Only if the colour fits your tinfoil hat, we do not want visual environmental pollution.
I don't see any reason for the tinfoil hat. I look dumb enough with a mask.
skidman
11-11-20, 03:48 PM
So, none of the GOP and Trump campaign’s allegations of election irregularities has been proved as yet. False key witnesses have withdrawn statements. The matter is done and dusted me thinks and the Trumpists look like a bunch of sore losers who make fools of themselves. Pathetic.
Catfish
11-11-20, 03:58 PM
Ok Trump refuse to accept the outcome. Biden has said he won. They seem to have fight these two a verbal fight over who won...
Not quite. All polling stations have reported that all went along calmly, and the outcome has been approved, even by the republican states that lost to Biden declared there was no "voter fraud", and it has been one of the calmest elections ever. The only one who does not believe it is Trump himself and 48 percent of the US population who do not want to believe it, and try to turn it around with conspiracy theories.
Now it costs time and labour during a pandemic to recount that all again due to Trump's accusations and lose precious time in organising a real plan to fight the pandemic.
But ok since all seem to have agreed to it why not just wait and see how the turnout of a recount will be? What will Trump say if Biden is still the winner? See you in two weeks.
skidman
11-11-20, 03:58 PM
:har::har::haha:
Well gallows humor might ease the pain till someone kicks the stool.
u crank
11-11-20, 04:01 PM
Well gallows humor might ease the pain till someone kicks the stool.
Humor comes and humor goes. Deleted/
Skybird
11-11-20, 04:06 PM
Neal,
when i criticise people for voting and hold the accountbale for the choice they made as well as their general legimtiation for what I see as a "rotten system", it is one thing, because I have a history in this forum to speak out against the principle of general elections where everybody can raise his voice no matter his status in society and his contributions to it. Hardly anyone in General Topics is at risk of mistaking me with a loyal "party soldier" or supporter of politicians. I have repeatedly pointed out that the ancient Greeks' understanding of democracy was a feudal one and explcitly exlcuded that everybody could cast his vote on things that were up tio be decided, and that our understanding of it would have been seen as tyranny by them. I also repeatedly referred to the democracy criticism as voiced by for exmaple Jason Brennan (Stanford), and before him Hans-Herrmann Hoppe.
You on the other hand have always given the impression at least to in principle defending the system you have in your country, and that it raises charms at least by allowing smooth and peaceful transitions between governments (what Trump obviously tries to torpedoes and hinder at all cost) when an old government is voted out and a new one was voted in. But now you mock and seem to imply criticism of that in this very system people who by the rules of it (that you approved, I always believed) qualify for voting, now dare to indeed cast a vote of a kind that you do not like, where before they did not care to do it because the case was either not worth it for them or was such that the efforts needed to cast a vote meant to high hurdles. This is a discrimination of polltically disagreeing voters. I remind of that in the state you live in, Texas, some county I beleive had a trump-loyal man in rule who limited for a very huge area and population the number of polling stations down to just a hilerious single one - with the obvious intention to discourage voting and making it as difficult as possible, because the people voting in this voting district were expected to maybe not vote for Trump.
You see now that I must see this as contradictory - and as hypocritical. Either you go all the way and condemn the very system independent of indiviodual poltlical views of voter groups, like I do, or you accept it, but then you must go all the way again and must acept that people cast their vote as they like, even if you do not like their political choice. But talking of free general elections and making a holy high mass of it as if it were at the centre of "democracy" (and the US for sure makes elections of this kind a high mass in explicit denial of its heavily manipulated design: I just say gerrymandering again, but also the weighting of votes via the system of electorate college), but at the same time indicating, at least leaving it an option of interpretation, that one would prefer if certain unwanted political opinions would be discriminated and hindered to vote, is not acceptable (to me at least, regimes like China and Russia and others may disagree with me).
I did not expect this attitude from you. Hence my earlier reply that I found it hard to believe that I just red you wrote it.
It must not mean anything to you and is no demand to you, but I found several recent posts by you irritating and surprising to come from not anybody, but you. I saw your more as a man of the conservative middle. I took them as another signal of to what degree Trump is messing up the politicla and communal climate in the US. As I said before many times: he did not cause it, is just a symptom of soemthing that goes wrong since at least either Nixon or Reagan - but the dsymptom feeds back on the casue that crteated it, makign things wors ethis way. Trump served like an accelerating catalyst. And not before his presidency he threatens to become a cause in his own. It will first overwhlem the Rpeublican party (in fact already has), and then will go after the whole country.
Youre poltical system and your constitutional design is not designed to deal with this before unimaginable kind of enemy to it: its too old-fashioned and has not (and could not) forseen the present situation. Old scriptures will not save it.
Its as if an army has laid in 200+ years old trenches and fortifications and always found shelter in them, and suddenly must learn to leave them and adapt to the principle of highly mobile fighting against an enemy that dopes not even know what trenches and fixed psoitions are and that comes from all directions at fearsome speeds and is everyhwere and nowhere simultaneously.
The US is in a very deep institutional and constitutionial crisis. And I see it as that it can very well break over it. Trump raises challenges and acts in ways that have not been forseen and so no plans have been prpared to delas with this. This includes a tremendous scale of in principle psychological warfare. I am stunned time and again that nobody seems to see that. He will leave the WH sooner or later. But nobody should dare to think that "Trump" then is over. Far from it. Things have just begun.
Not quite. All polling stations have reoported that all went along calmly, and the outcome has been appoved, even by the republican states that lost to Biden declared there was no "voter fraud" and it was one of the calmest elections ever. The only one who does not believe it is Trump himself and 48 percent of the US population who do not want to believe it. Democracy sucks when you are not the winner, so lets abandon it. Sore losers indeed.
First of all what you quote from me was written in a neutral way.
As mention before I don't care who my American friends chose as their President.
I say Biden won this one. I can't, based on the news I have seen and heard, see any evidence for a massive voter fraud, which is claimed by Trump and his supporters.
Does this mean there wasn't any voter fraud or any attempt...of course there was but here we talk about parts per million(PPM percentage)
And it went both way..voter fraud in favour for Trump/Biden
Markus
Catfish
11-11-20, 04:12 PM
^ sorry, i deleted parts of my earlier post. No, I do not think we should continue Trump's fight in this forum, which (for me) was the most important part of your post.
Mr Quatro
11-11-20, 04:35 PM
So, none of the GOP and Trump campaign’s allegations of election irregularities has been proved as yet. False key witnesses have withdrawn statements. The matter is done and dusted me thinks and the Trumpists look like a bunch of sore losers who make fools of themselves. Pathetic.
So if we practice proving voter fraud to skidman we can then go to the SC and prove it to them, right?
Massive US Voters and Consumers Databases Circulate Among Hackers
https://www.trustwave.com/en-us/resources/blogs/spiderlabs-blog/massive-us-voters-and-consumers-databases-circulate-among-hackers/
Voting in the U.S. elections started recently and there is a real concern over interference and disinformation campaigns that might impact their outcome. During investigations around the elections, the Trustwave SpiderLabs team discovered massive databases with detailed information about U.S. voters and consumers offered for sale on several hacker forums. Those databases include a shocking level of detail about citizens including their political affiliation. The sellers of the U.S. voter database claim that it includes 186 million records, and if that is correct, that means it includes information about nearly all voters in the U.S. The information found in the voter database can be used to conduct effective social engineering scams and spread disinformation to potentially impact the elections, particularly in swing states.
plus the data on over 60 million US voters has been found on a German server :o
skidman
11-11-20, 04:51 PM
Massive US Voters and Consumers Databases Circulate Among Hackers
So what? Is that really all you can come up with? Pathetic.
Heard in my left ear some minutes ago.
They are recounting votes in (didn't get which state it was) and Biden is 0.3 Percentage ahead.
Hearing this I was thinking.
Now they are recounting the votes I hope they have "people*" to supervise this recount so it goes 110 % after the book.(I hope they do)
Trump may get some more votes, maybe some hundred in smaller states and maybe a thousand in bigger state.
If the result is the same Biden has won more than 270 electoral then Trump and his supporters can't claim voter fraud.
* I don't know what these authorities are called they are in charge of these places where these counting is done.
Markus
I just read that Trump fired SOD Esper because he was slow walking our military withdrawal from Afghanistan. Apparently the Swamp doesn't want it's military industrial complex cash cow taken away. Maybe his acting replacement will light a fire under it but the Generals will continue to oppose the effort.
AVGWarhawk
11-11-20, 05:22 PM
Here is my little bitty small issue with the whole, let us all be a “United States” again, From Joe Biden.
For the last 4+ years, the Democrats have gone scorched earth. You have salted the fields and now you want to grow crops.
The problem is we have memories longer than a hamster.
We remember the women’s march the day after inauguration.
We remember the 4 years of attacks and impeachments
We remember “not our president” and the “Resistance…”
We remember Maxie Walters telling followers to harass us in restaurants.
We remember the Presidents spokesperson being kicked out a restaurant.
We remember hundreds of Trump supporters physically attacked.
We remember Trump supporters getting Doxed, and fired from jobs.
We remember riots, and looting
We remember “a comedian” holding up the President’s severed head
We remember a play in Central park paid with public funding, showing the killing of President Trump
We remember Robert de Niro yelling “**** Trump” at the Tony’s and getting a standing ovation.
We remember Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union Address.
We remember the total in the tank move on the mainstream media
We remember the non-stop and live fact checking on our President and his supporters.
We remember non-stop in your face lies and open cover-ups from the media.
We remember the President and his staff being spied on.
We remember five Senators shot on a ballfield.
We remember every so-called comedy show turn into nothing but Trump hate fest.
We remember 95% negative coverage in the news.
We remember the state governors asking and getting everything they ask for and then blaming Trump for their problems.
We remember a Trump top aid verbally assaulted in two DC restaurants.
We remember people banging on the Supreme Court doors.
We remember that we were called every name in the book for supporting President Trump.
We remember that Hollywood said they would leave after Trump was elected but they stayed.
This list is endless, but you get the idea.
My friends will be my friends, but a party that has be on the attack for 4 long years does not get a free pass with me
So take your let’s be nice and shove it up your ass!
Disclaimer: Copied. Not my post, and probably not my last political post. And, BTW, I couldn’t care less if you disagree, because, in order to do so, you have to ignore easily proveable facts, and suspend logic.
"But most importantly, We remember we were the snowflakes all along."
Onkel Neal
11-11-20, 06:17 PM
Here is my little bitty small issue with the whole, let us all be a “United States” again, From Joe Biden.
For the last 4+ years, the Democrats have gone scorched earth. You have salted the fields and now you want to grow crops.
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Oh yes, can't agree more. Although I am perfectly willing to start fresh right now, give Biden a fair chance, and see if we can get this country back on track.
Bill Clinton's old lady was basically telling Biden to do what Trumpo is doing now.
https://youtu.be/44AbGEHhzg4?t=35
VipertheSniper
11-11-20, 06:30 PM
the trouble with that mindset is that you only have 2 parties that realistically have a shot at governing, so where does that leave you? Holding those grudges forever and going to ever greater extremes to spite the "other"? Somebody needs to make a start somewhere to get back to something resembling a middle ground.
skidman
11-11-20, 06:51 PM
Obviously both parties have to go through a process of transformation:
The GOP has to realize that small state, neoliberal tax and money system, guns, no abortion, evangelical christianity, and creationism (pick at least 3) is not enough to make America great again. The recipes of the past simply do not work anymore. The American Dream is dead.
The DEMs have to realize that identity politics kills democracy. They have to come up with a new narrative that provides a set of ideas of how to deal with new emerging super powers, how to stop immiseration of a ever growing portion of the population, and accept that these ideas will be called communism by the usual idiots.
Torvald Von Mansee
11-12-20, 01:07 AM
I thought this was rather interesting:
https://jspp.psychopen.eu/article/view/750/html
nikimcbee
11-12-20, 02:08 AM
Do we have to wear masks?
I just got a new Iron Maiden Aces High Eddie mask, I'm ready.
Oh yeah right Ferret.
Not old school enough, I remember when he was a wee ostrich.:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
the trouble with that mindset is that you only have 2 parties that realistically have a shot at governing, so where does that leave you? Holding those grudges forever and going to ever greater extremes to spite the "other"? Somebody needs to make a start somewhere to get back to something resembling a middle ground.Very much this.
Skybird
11-12-20, 06:52 AM
Stomps-with-his-feet continues to sabotage transition to president-elect whereever he can.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/11/politics/state-department-biden-messages/index.html
Instead of Hydroxicloroquine his drugger should set him on Paliperidon, me thinks.
With Pompeo another escaped psychiatric patient has been identified in the WH hospital. Suffering from severe reality distortion and episodes of delusion, his mind lives in an alternate fantasy world where Trump has won the election! Poor dog, I hope he finds the treatment he needs. And take those Philip K. Dick books away from the patient.
Jimbuna
11-12-20, 09:03 AM
Posted by an American I know who actually voted for Trump
It now seems as if the Dictator's henchmen---presumably on his orders---are blocking Biden from seeing correspondence offering congratulations from foreign leaders which were sent to the State Department. How small and petty. Also, government funds that are traditionally given to the POTUS'-elect's transition team are being withheld--to make things tougher on them and Biden is not being allowed to get the daily intelligence briefings that all newly elected POTUS have always had access to because it's important for them to know what's going on so they can react quickly in the case of emergency once they assume office. I assume that next year the Orange Man will whine and cry if he's left off Biden's Christmas card list---"How unfair, how unfair---sob, sob". I can hear it now.
AVGWarhawk
11-12-20, 09:51 AM
Oh yes, can't agree more. Although I am perfectly willing to start fresh right now, give Biden a fair chance, and see if we can get this country back on track.
Sure, I'll give Biden a far shake. He has a lot to fix that his party assisted in breaking in the past 4 years. I'm not talking about policy either.
AVGWarhawk
11-12-20, 09:53 AM
Posted by an American I know who actually voted for Trump
It now seems as if the Dictator's henchmen---presumably on his orders---are blocking Biden from seeing correspondence offering congratulations from foreign leaders which were sent to the State Department. How small and petty. Also, government funds that are traditionally given to the POTUS'-elect's transition team are being withheld--to make things tougher on them and Biden is not being allowed to get the daily intelligence briefings that all newly elected POTUS have always had access to because it's important for them to know what's going on so they can react quickly in the case of emergency once they assume office.
Don't believe any of this.
Can't find the word I need in this statement.
You, my American friends take this voting very serious. The responsibility you feel for you county is so massive that you even do your duty after you have died.
I take my hat of in respect.
Markus
Catfish
11-12-20, 10:48 AM
^ Lol
Just in case you are not joking, where is your evidence? Trump says so?
"Trump's refusal to concede has prompted senior officials across the government to spread word that any cooperation with Biden's team is forbidden, officials at agencies and the White House said. The President's budget office is continuing to advise agencies to prepare submissions for Trump's upcoming budget proposal as if nothing is changing, people familiar with the plans said.
The White House, while offering little formal or explicit guidance, has nonetheless made known throughout the federal government that no steps should be taken that would imply Trump lost the election, according to people familiar with the matter.
The nation's top diplomat [what? lol] , Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, refused to accept Biden's victory (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/pompeo-transition-trump/index.html) as President-elect during remarks at the State Department. Instead, he said there would be "a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."
Can't make this up :yeah:
Mr Quatro
11-12-20, 11:03 AM
Biden is not the POTUS yet ... so who cares?
Still waiting for the governor of each state to receive the final count from it's elected college electoral votes that are suppose to go to the victor, but that won't be till December 14th and even then Biden is not the POTUS.
The next step is for the governor of each state has to report to Congress it's final count January 6th and Biden still is not the POTUS until he is sworn in on January 20th 2021 and then he will be come the next POTUS.
Until then President Trump can do all and anything that he wants to do ... so quit your crying and your self righteousness and see that the fat lady has not had her turn yet.
How fat is Hillary anyway? :D
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP._wtYFbZVd7m6x-X028sljgHaFu?w=202&h=175&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.1&pid=1.7
^^ It has been in the news here, where they talked about registret votes who in fact was dead.
Hearing this i remember thinking..the Americans is taking the word duty to a whole new level.
Markus
Buddahaid
11-12-20, 11:18 AM
And if after all the recounting and such Biden still wins then what? I doubt Trump will concede defeat.
AVGWarhawk
11-12-20, 11:21 AM
And if after all the recounting and such Biden still wins then what? I doubt Trump will concede defeat.
Trump will concede. But I don't blame the guy for requesting investigations. This is nothing new in the large scheme of things.
Skybird
11-12-20, 11:40 AM
Sure, I'll give Biden a far shake. He has a lot to fix that his party assisted in breaking in the past 4 years. I'm not talking about policy either.
:har:
:har: :har:
:har: :har: :har:
:har: :har: :har: :har:
Almost as good as Pompeo's derranged remark on a smooth transition to Trump second term. Well, almost.
AVGWarhawk
11-12-20, 12:00 PM
:har:
:har: :har:
:har: :har: :har:
:har: :har: :har: :har:
Almost as good as Pompeo's derranged remark on a smooth transition to Trump second term. Well, almost.
We are glad that we could fill your day with much love and laughter. :)
I hope there's an end of this recount.
Let say Trump wins Georgia in this second count and he beats Biden with
0.3 %. This mean there's a new winner and with a percentage lower than
0.5 %. Then according the law(As I understand it) a recount has to be done and so it can go on forever.
Or is there something I have missed totally ?
Markus
nikimcbee
11-12-20, 12:19 PM
Oh yes, can't agree more. Although I am perfectly willing to start fresh right now, give Biden a fair chance, and see if we can get this country back on track.
Bill Clinton's old lady was basically telling Biden to do what Trumpo is doing now.
https://youtu.be/44AbGEHhzg4?t=35
Doesn't this violate subsim's policy of posting videos of whiny, old goats?
^I guess it has to do with which side your on...someone may find her attractive.
Markus
Skybird
11-12-20, 12:32 PM
Fact checking in the White House:
........."Do you see a loser here?"................................."What loser?"
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/loser_ts/26619338/2-format1007.jpg
AVGWarhawk
11-12-20, 01:10 PM
someone may find her attractive.
:har::doh:
Jimbuna
11-12-20, 01:39 PM
Don't believe any of this.
That's the problem Chris. True or false a lot of the world will be believing it.
^ Lol
Just in case you are not joking, where is your evidence? Trump says so?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8940473/Tucker-Carlson-reveals-list-dead-people-says-voted-election.html
Video removed and my comment has changed
Markus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8940473/Tucker-Carlson-reveals-list-dead-people-says-voted-election.html
DailyMail quoting Tucker Carlson? Why don't you divide by zero while you're at it?! :O:
Skybird
11-12-20, 03:37 PM
^ :haha:
AVGWarhawk
11-12-20, 03:38 PM
That's the problem Chris. True or false a lot of the world will be believing it.
Biden still holds security clearances. Briefing(security) can be done before breakfast. Biden can get his cabinet together. As it stands now, Trump is still at the helm. Concerning the moving into the White House. Just a formality that in the overall scheme is not a problem. Running the country takes people Not a home. :up: Citizen getting up in arms that Biden will not be ready if something happens is unwarranted. Besides, Congress gets involved in any military operation approval anyway.
DailyMail quoting Tucker Carlson? Why don't you divide by zero while you're at it?! :O:
You're not dumb enough to think that's the only link to the story are you?
https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/tucker-carlson-says-dead-people-voted-in-2020-election/
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-claims-dead-people-voted-2020-election-1546785
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/11/12/tucker_carlson_yes_dead_people_did_vote_using_mail-in_ballots.html
Catfish
11-12-20, 03:47 PM
Tucker Carlson "reveals", ok. Isn't it more like he asserts that?
Where is the real evidence? Trump and Calson have lied so often that it is hard to keep track.
So he claims that 25 dead indviduals have voted? And four were from Georgia, he says.
Let's assume it is true, these 25 will shift the election outcome to Trump?
But then he also says it is not even sure if those 25 voted for Trump, or Biden.
I take it that the real voter fraud numbers will even be much higher than those 25, but even then it will not change the outcome. Get over it and move on.
Tucker Carlson "reveals", ok. Isn't it more like he asserts that?
Where is the real evidence? Trump and Calson have lied so often that it is hard to keep track.
So he claims that 25 dead indviduals have voted? And four were from Georgia, he says.
Let's assume it is true, these 25 will shift the election outcome to Trump?
But then he also says it is not even sure if those 25 voted for Trump, or Biden.
I take it that the real voter fraud numbers will even be much higher than those 25, but even then it will not change the outcome. Get over it and move on.
First you say there is no voter fraud then when confronted with evidence you claim it's not enough to make a difference. Remarkable how similar you sound to the Democrat party line... :hmmm:
Think of it as a poll Catfish. Carlson did not conduct a comprehensive survey of all voters and all precincts but neither do polls. They survey a few hundred people and extrapolate their responses into a national breakdown for 360 million people with only a tiny plus or minus percentage error factor.
If Carlson has 25 cases that he can prove then it stands to reason there are many many more out there waiting to be found. Democrats are doing all they can to stop that from happening and you're just parroting their propaganda.
I'm convinced that this voter fraud or the attempt to do so have gone both way.
I'm also convinced that this voter fraud or the attempt hasn't been as massive, which some of my friends on the web is trying to tell others.
Markus
Skybird
11-12-20, 04:40 PM
https://www.axios.com/trump-fox-news-digital-media-competitor-25afddee-144d-4820-8ed4-9eb0ffa42420.html
Wait - there are actually people who would pay subscription for this...? :o
:har:
Well, I forgot of course. I mean there are also people who hand over all their belongings and wealth to things like the Moon sect and Scientology - so why not for a digital propaganda platform as well. Paula White got stinking rich with this faithful trick. :up:
Den seinen gibts der Herr im Schlafe, aber von den Dummen nimmt er. :haha:
Catfish
11-12-20, 04:50 PM
First you say there is no voter fraud then when confronted with evidence you claim it's not enough to make a difference. Remarkable how similar you sound to the Democrat party line... :hmmm:
You really believe in conspiracy theories :hmmm:
What i clearly wrote and meant is that even if Tucker Calson would be right and if there would be even more voter fraud, it will not change the election outcome.
You cannot even tell who those 25 or more or less voted for! Do you really think after those four years of blunder that Trump and his minions will not lie and bend and foul and disregard realities to their advantage?
Maybe Trump has the legal right to delay the process of transition, but does he morally? Ok Trump and moral, sorry.
Up to now there still is no evidence of intentional fraud even if Tucker Carlson or the whole KuKluxClan asserted that, and now the whole US will have to wait to satisfy Trump's ego until some serious steps against the pandemic can be made. Ok, your funeral.
If Pompeo says there will be a smooth transition to a second Trump term he is a criminal trying to overthrow your constitution.
As they say "there is a term for Trump, but obviously not a second term."
Or only with a military coup.
See you in two weeks.
Some authorities can't remember who, have asked Trump for evidence in his accusation where he claim something with massive voter fraud.
Has Trump delivered these evidence ? I haven't heard anything.
I'm not mocking Trump. He has, as anyone else, the right to be heard and any doubt shall come to his benefit..He shall however put these evidence forward if he hasn't already done so.
Markus
Catfish
11-12-20, 05:10 PM
Has Trump delivered these evidence ? I haven't heard anything.
Because he has not. Of course he does not personally. His lawyers, demanding the recount etc. have not come up with evidence. But as said Trump has the legal right to have a recount, let's just wait and see.
Because he has not. Of course he does not personally. His lawyers, demanding the recount etc. have not come up with evidence. But as said Trump has the legal right to have a recount, let's just wait and see.
I heard in the news some days ago that there isn't the same type of laws in each states when it comes to the Presidential election.
It was told that in state like Georgia the shall be a recount if the difference between to candidate is 1.0 or 0.5 % or lower. Which was the case in this election and this is why they are recounting the votes by hand.
Markus
You really believe in conspiracy theories
That's rich coming from a guy who promoted anti-Trump conspiracies for the past four years.
u crank
11-12-20, 05:30 PM
Wait - there are actually people who would pay subscription for this...? :o
People pay to read the New York Times.
Skybird
11-12-20, 05:39 PM
People pay to read the New York Times.
Yes, having learned to read means to have advantages in life. Trump plans to compensate for that lack by making it a moving pictures stream with voice narration.
u crank
11-12-20, 05:46 PM
Yes, having learned to read means to have advantages in life. Trump plans to compensate for that lack by making it a moving pictures stream with voice narration.
And that is different from other digital platforms ... how?
https://i.imgur.com/wm1nBZU.jpg
skidman
11-12-20, 07:21 PM
Carlson did not conduct a comprehensive survey of all voters and all precincts but neither do polls. They survey a few hundred people and extrapolate their responses into a national breakdown for 360 million people with only a tiny plus or minus percentage error factor.
If Carlson has 25 cases that he can prove then it stands to reason there are many many more out there waiting to be found.
But Carlson has nothing in hand to provide a basis for statistical extrapolations. There is no sample representing a reasonable proportion of the population. How can we formulate an assumption, run the tests required, compute a confidence interval and evaluate the quality of results. Nothing of this can be done with the data available.
Waving with 25 ballots in your hand might be good enough to go to court (I don't think so). But that's it. And I wonder how many judges would settle for "there are many many more out there."
Go to court, have a recount if necessary but stop these absurd allegations. Apart from that: Mr. Trump should stop playing his personnel turnover games in the Pentagon. Enough damage has been done already.
Go to court, have a recount if necessary but stop these absurd allegations. Apart from that: Mr. Trump should stop playing his personnel turnover games in the Pentagon. Enough damage has been done already.
And Tucker Carlson is not a government lawyer nor is he working for the Trump campaign. His 25 dead people are just proof that it happened, no more no less. The fact that he had to conduct his own investigation was sadly necessary since the Democrats and their media allies are attempting to deny it's very existence. They're wrong and here's proof simple as that.
Buddahaid
11-12-20, 08:29 PM
Carlson's 25 are nothing and not proof of anything yet. For all anyone knows he created them.
Onkel Neal
11-12-20, 08:55 PM
Ok, there has been a steady ramping up of personal attacks and namecalling, very thinly veiled insults, etc. We all need to dial this down, ok?
Onkel Neal
11-12-20, 08:57 PM
Following up, I can see it's time to lock this thread for a while. People are getting triggered left and right. Let me be clear, don't make any new US politics threads, threads about Trump or Biden, the election, Proud Buys, Antifa, AOC....etc.
I'll review this in 2 days.
Onkel Neal
11-14-20, 02:30 PM
Opening this thread again. Remember, make your argument, use logic and facts, but no name-calling or personal attacks on members of the forum. If you have trouble with this, go to Reddit or Twitter. If someone reports a post and we don't feel it is an actionable issue, nothing will be done. If we feel it is actionable, we will hand out infractions.
Mr Quatro
11-14-20, 02:38 PM
Okay I'll throw the first stone :D
https://static.thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/biden-corrupt-oath-scaled.jpg
u crank
11-14-20, 03:44 PM
It would appear that Joe Biden will become the next President. Even if Trump could get all the late ballots tossed in Pennsylvania, win that state and then win in the recount in Georgia he would still be two votes short. So he would have to get another one. That is highly unlikely.
When Biden is sworn into office on Jan. 20th he will be 78 years old. The oldest ever. The next oldest was Trump at 70. The question arises about his ability to carry the heavy load that the office requires. You can bet that his condition will be a daily test and the spotlight will be on him. He can't hide and be an effective President.
When Barack Obama came into office in 2008 Democrats gained 8 seats in the Senate, 21 seats in the House and gained one Governor. Biden at best will have a 50-50 split (but not likely) in the Senate, lose 13 or more seats more in the House and lose one Governor. Only one other President in history has done worse, JFK in 1960. So Joe doesn't have much of a mandate.
Biden’s coalition for winning was whiter and wealthier than any Democrat’s before. Most of it was driven by Trump hate and not confidence that Biden will be a good President.
If Republicans could have picked a candidate to run against Trump no doubt they would have picked Bernie Sanders. But if they could pick any candidate out of that field to be a Democratic President ... Joe would be that guy.
Hope Biden is psychological, mental and strong enough to stand tall in case of an international crisis.
Markus
Skybird
11-14-20, 06:27 PM
When Biden is sworn into office on Jan. 20th he will be 78 years old. The oldest ever. The next oldest was Trump at 70.
Trump seems to prepare threatening everybody with candidating in 4 years again, if he makes it until then. He then would be 78, too.
Gerontocracy. Look at the many other old sacks in both parties.
u crank
11-14-20, 06:45 PM
Trump seems to prepare threatening everybody with candidating in 4 years again, if he makes it until then. He then would be 78, too.
I don't think it will happen.
Mr Quatro
11-14-20, 06:46 PM
Hope Biden is psychological, mental and strong enough to stand tall in case of an international crisis.
Markus
I doubt it Markus ... Obama was a lot younger and a lot smarter yet he was a fence sitter with a movable red line.
Trump seems to prepare threatening everybody with candidating in 4 years again, if he makes it until then. He then would be 78, too.
Gerontocracy. Look at the many other old sacks in both parties.
Good point Sky :yep:
Still hoping for a different turnout, but like u crank said even if Trump should get Georgia on a recount and Penn back it would be only 268 (not enough)
Electoral rebellion in a Republican state is Trumps only hope and even then it would have to be more than one state and enough to put Biden below 270 votes to trigger a House/Senate vote on January 6th which is highly unlikely :o
I doubt it Markus ... Obama was a lot younger and a lot smarter yet he was a fence sitter with a movable red line.
My guts is telling me, that KJU is going to test how far he can stretch the robbeband before it snaps.
Markus
So apparently BLM has been attacking Trump supporters as they leave the DC rally today.
A group of leftist protesters attacked numerous Trump supporters who had finished taking part in a rally on the streets of Washington, DC, on Saturday. In one of the most graphic attacks, a man who tried to fight off an attack is hit from behind while at least two women kick and stomp his head. Several videos captured numerous attacks by protesters that were chasing Trump supporters out of the rally area as the group made their way to their vehicles. Earlier in the day, thousands of Trump supporters had gathered in D.C. for a rally supporting U.S. President Donald J. Trump. Violence broke out as the rally ended and people attempted to leave.
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/11/14/leftists-mob-stomps-on-head-of-trump-supporter-in-dc-rally/?fbclid=IwAR0xYVI42gojUm05Z3ts0EwsvXgyA1dPOhlSYjQb _JZWv4pvTtMtPtZwY7Y
Must be some of that peace and unity that Biden talked about.
So apparently BLM has been attacking Trump supporters as they leave the DC rally today.
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/11/14/leftists-mob-stomps-on-head-of-trump-supporter-in-dc-rally/?fbclid=IwAR0xYVI42gojUm05Z3ts0EwsvXgyA1dPOhlSYjQb _JZWv4pvTtMtPtZwY7Y
Must be some of that peace and unity that Biden talked about. Ya got a point there. Good that you will get a person who will make the job so extra exciting and with a wide spectrum.
So apparently BLM has been attacking Trump supporters as they leave the DC rally today.
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/11/14/leftists-mob-stomps-on-head-of-trump-supporter-in-dc-rally/?fbclid=IwAR0xYVI42gojUm05Z3ts0EwsvXgyA1dPOhlSYjQb _JZWv4pvTtMtPtZwY7Y
Must be some of that peace and unity that Biden talked about.
Tough. The one getting knocked out started the fight, can be seen in the video at around 00:40.
Jimbuna
11-15-20, 06:24 AM
Opening this thread again. Remember, make your argument, use logic and facts, but no name-calling or personal attacks on members of the forum. If you have trouble with this, go to Reddit or Twitter. If someone reports a post and we don't feel it is an actionable issue, nothing will be done. If we feel it is actionable, we will hand out infractions.
Rgr the above and as a small point of interest or disinterest whichever viewpoint or opinion you have, I started following Trump on Twitter about a week ago and boy did I get my eyes opened.
Tough. The one getting knocked out started the fight, can be seen in the video at around 00:40.
He was just defending another person that they also attacked and then they surrounded him, viciously attacked him from behind then continued attacking him once he was down. But you saw all that too, it just doesn't support your ridiculous point. :roll: Your BLM thugs came to that rally to start a fight pure and simple. They are the aggressors here and by supporting them you support terrorism.
Yeah, no that's not what the video shows. The guy wearing the Arizona shirt goes after the guy with the megaphone and grabs it from him, and it is at this point the guy who gets knocked out comes in and starts repeatedly shoving the megaphone guy.
It really isn't up for interpretation.
Skybird
11-15-20, 09:54 AM
Farewell present to Trump from Asia:
15 countries sign treaty on world's biggest free trade zone, covering one third of the globe's total economic power. Also, it extends China's influence in the region.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54949260
It really isn't up for interpretation.
That's not your decision to make. Besides even if your take was accurate stomping on an unconscious persons head is a crime.
That's not your decision to make.Everyone with an IQ over average room temperature can make that decision.
Besides even if your take was accurate stomping on an unconscious persons head is a crime.Sure, I'm not a fan of beating someone who's down. The problem I have with the article is that it makes it seem like the guy was assaulted without provocation which is BS.
Everyone with an IQ over average room temperature can make that decision.
Don't confuse decisions with opinion. Everyone has the latter but you have absolutely no right to decide how anyone else can interpret what they see.
Sure, I'm not a fan of beating someone who's down. The problem I have with the article is that it makes it seem like the guy was assaulted without provocation which is BS.
Yeah I doubt your sincerity. You continue to ignore the simple fact that BLM and Antifa were only there for provocation. They came down to the Trump rally to commit violence. Trump supporters weren't there for that reason and those that did get involved in it were pushed into it by the animals you like to defend.
Now maybe if I were to stick a bullhorn into your ear and start screaming taunts and insults at you then you might just give me a little push back too. Wouldn't it be just the height of irony if some European busybody were to claim you were the aggressor because you did.
u crank
11-15-20, 10:47 AM
Come on guys. What does people fighting in the street have to do with political discussion?
:nope:
Now maybe if I were to stick a bullhorn into your ear and start screaming taunts and insults at you then you might just give me a little push back too.Which is not what happened according to the video. Stop making things up, August.
Mr Quatro
11-15-20, 10:55 AM
Come on guys. What does people fighting in the street have to do with political discussion?
:nope:
Unfortunately this will become the norm if and when Trump wins :yep:
Come on guys. What does people fighting in the street have to do with political discussion?
:nope:
How does it not? Violence is the main tool of political oppression. That's what the left is trying to do here. Groups like BLM and Antifa are just their storm troopers.
skidman
11-15-20, 11:04 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i82h767aog16qft/HeWon.png?raw=1
"He won..." It seems that even the ignorant in the WH has to start accepting reality. And the same slowly but steadily appears to apply to some fellows here on Subsim.
Looking at that MAGA rally of 10.000 Proud Boys and other nutheads in DC yesterday (1 Mio participants? Teach McEnany how to count!), and the speeches delivered there by freaks like M. Taylor Greene and Alex Jones, I'd say to see the light of truth the Trumpists still have the Himalayas to climb.
u crank
11-15-20, 11:10 AM
How does it not? Violence is the main tool of political oppression. That's what the left is trying to do here. Groups like BLM and Antifa are just their storm troopers.
Possibly so but arguing over who started a fight in the street is not political discussion. Nobody wins or is enlightened in the least.
With all that is going on post election there has to be better things to talk about.
"He won..." It seems that even the ignorant in the WH has to start accepting reality.
...NOT!!!
https://i.imgur.com/zQVqJmb.jpg
Possibly so but arguing over who started a fight in the street is not political discussion. Nobody wins or is enlightened in the least.
Fair point but it is an increasing part of the lefts tactics to blame the victim. That should not be ignored in the interest of maintaining forum civility especially with someone who just wants to stir up trouble.
With all that is going on post election there has to be better things to talk about.
Yes there are other things to talk about ucrank but I disagree that any of them are better or more important than this topic. The attacks on trump supporters are pure political oppression that is being condoned and often promoted by the same people who may be running our government soon not to mention certain people here on this forum.
I'm not waiting until the bricks start coming through my windows before I speak up against it. I don't want anyone to be surprised when my side eventually pushes back against it either.
A comment on this pro-Trump demonstration and the fight between BLM supporters and Trump supporters.
In the Danish news I could read the reason should be BLM and the radical left wings had attacked people in this Pro-Trump demonstration. This according to Trump who was quoted by Danish Press.
An hour later I could read the opposite in the Swedish news. Here it was Trump supporters who had start the fight by attacking BLM supporters.
What's correct here. Unable to watch video(computer off)
Markus
u crank
11-15-20, 12:11 PM
"He won..." It seems that even the ignorant in the WH has to start accepting reality. And the same slowly but steadily appears to apply to some fellows here on Subsim.
Ok if that's what you think then maybe it is time for you to move on and instead talk about the new guy. Any thoughts?
This is interesting.
This year’s presidential election showed that slightly more than half of America no longer wants a president who speaks to them openly and often. They don’t want a chief executive who tweets, regularly takes contentious interviews, routinely answers questions from hostile reporters, and does freestyle stand-up at his boisterous rallies.
Instead, they want a fragile, cosseted figurehead — a museum piece — who gives few speeches (all shopworn and canned), avoids tough questions from the press, and utters nothing without a teleprompter. They want T. S. Eliot’s hollow man, a headpiece filled with straw. They want a basement candidate who will be a bunker president. They want Joe Biden.
https://spectator.org/joe-biden-basement-bunker-presidency/
One would think that Joe Biden would be beaming with pride at winning and would want to openly discuss that and other important subjects. One would think that he would relish having a good back and forth with reporters both hostile and friendly. The question is why not?
Biden’s first appearance on November 9 — just after the news media had anointed him as president — gives us an idea of how he will handle the press going forward. He spoke for 10 minutes from a teleprompter, answered a few softball questions from pre-screened reporters about Trump’s refusal to concede, and then shuffled off the stage.
Will this kind of thing persist throught Biden's administration?
What we have of course is a complete 180 degree turn by Trump's detractors in the MSM who now are shamelessly willing to protect the President of their choice from any and all harmful reporting.
Jimbuna
11-15-20, 12:17 PM
US election: Trump says Biden won but again refuses to concede.
Donald Trump has insisted he is not conceding the US election, despite seemingly acknowledging for the first time that Democrat Joe Biden won.
"He won because the Election was Rigged," the Republican president wrote on Twitter, repeating unsubstantiated claims of election fraud.
About an hour later he said he was not conceding the 3 November vote.
He has launched a slew of lawsuits in key states, but has not provided any evidence to back his claims of fraud.
All the lawsuits have so far been unsuccessful.
On Friday, election officials said the vote was the "most secure in American history" and there was "no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54952098
I repeat
Of course there have been voter fraud or the attempt to do so
BUT
This voter fraud or the attempt to do so have gone both way. Not in benefit for Biden, but for both.
Last but not less important...we are talking about ppm(Parts per million)
Maybe 1-3 votes per million
On this I'm convinced
Rockstar
11-15-20, 12:29 PM
Nothing is official until the electors cast their vote for president. In 2000 Al Gore contested the results all the way up to within a few days of the electors vote and it took the Supreme Court to tell big Al to pack sand. Trump is entitled to contest the vote count and procedure as well. Like Al Gore and others, Trump can talk all the smack he wants. But it ends on December 14th 2020 when the electors meet or sooner if the Supreme Court tell him to pack sand too
Buddahaid
11-15-20, 12:38 PM
Like most conspiracy believers, Trump will continue to build even wilder more complicated claims to support his viewpoint while ignoring overwhelming evidence that belies that view. Maybe he'll go so far he'll fall off the edge of the Earth.
That said, I don't have much faith in Biden doing great things but I'm happy the clown act has been voted out and we can move on to the jugglers.
I rejects any conspiracy theories surrounding the US election..
My last comment was made from memory.
Some Danish/Swedish expert said after a Presidential election.
There will always be people who will try to commit voter fraud.
Markus
Mr Quatro
11-15-20, 01:09 PM
I don't see Biden taking over the WH, but then again I didn't see my ex-wife divorcing me for a millionaire either :o
u crank
11-15-20, 01:25 PM
Like most conspiracy believers, Trump will continue to build even wilder more complicated claims to support his viewpoint while ignoring overwhelming evidence that belies that view. Maybe he'll go so far he'll fall off the edge of the Earth.
Well I guess you guys are on a roll. You now have two Presidents that a large part of the population thinks are illegitimate. New normal I guess.
Buddahaid
11-15-20, 01:30 PM
Well I guess you guys are on a roll. You now have two Presidents that a large part of the population thinks are illegitimate. New normal I guess.
Quite true.
For me as a non-American and neutral this election is over..Biden won.
The next "Funny" happening are the change of person in the White House.
Will Trump leave it in normal order or have the authorities have to drag him out from there, while screaming and kicking.
It's going to be very interesting
Markus
Mr Quatro
11-15-20, 01:59 PM
Picture this image the next two super aircraft carriers side by side named:
USS Trump and USS Biden :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUSknobEfR8
I wonder if they would try to sink each other :haha:
What's correct here. Unable to watch video(computer off)
Markus
Markus ask yourself whose rally it was. BLM showed up at a Trump rally in order to cause trouble, not the other way around.
The idea of counter-protesting seems to elude you, August.
BTW, here's another video from Washington; Trump supporters ganging up and beating someone:
https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/jugwpt
The idea of counter-protesting seems to elude you, August.
I didn't realize that kicking people in the head while they lay unconscious in the street was considered to be just "counter protesting" in your country. It's considered "Felony Assault" even "Attempted Murder" over here.
Buddahaid
11-15-20, 02:35 PM
Meet the new and improved ugly Americans, better and uglier than ever.
I didn't realize that kicking people in the head while they lay unconscious in the street was considered to be just "counter protesting" in your country. It's considered "Felony Assault" even "Attempted Murder" over here.I didn't say that and you know it, but hey good try!
I didn't say that and you know it, but hey good try!
Well that's the gist of what you're saying whether you admit it or not. You're always eager to dismiss and minimize left wing violence if it's against those you hate. Just like here. There are numerous stories of innocent people being harassed and attacked by these thugs that you can't spin into blaming the victim but you ignore all of it.
skidman
11-15-20, 03:55 PM
Will this kind of thing persist throught Biden's administration?
That's a very good question. But you and "The American Spectator" obviously already know the answer, months before Biden is even sworn in. And this is exactly the conduct that makes a discussion more or less pointless.
What we have of course is a complete 180 degree turn by Trump's detractors in the MSM who now are shamelessly willing to protect the President of their choice from any and all harmful reporting.
I don't think the conservative, libertarian and evangelical media will refrain from taking part in the press conferences in the WH in the future. But I expect a more professional performance by the new president, dealing with them.
Sure, a 78 year old faces physical limitations (we all do, don't we?), but I suppose him to outperform Trump in terms of attention span and ability to abstract.
More important: Biden is a politician, Trump is an amateur. Biden knows about the dos and don'ts. Wether or not we like it: Politics is a trade to learn. If the kitchen sink leaks, you call a plumber, not a banker.
Skybird
11-15-20, 04:20 PM
This thread already is on a slippery slope again.
-------
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54910344
u crank
11-15-20, 07:24 PM
That's a very good question. But you and "The American Spectator" obviously already know the answer, months before Biden is even sworn in.
If you read the article you would see that Biden's behavior since his candidacy began up until now is well documented. It isn't fiction. Do you have any facts to the contrary?
And this is exactly the conduct that makes a discussion more or less pointless.
Not much of an argument. It would seem to me that you and others consider Biden to be untouchable and that any criticism of him is unfair or unfounded. Joe Biden has been in politics since the Nixon administration. He has a train of political baggage a mile long and now he refuses to speak to the media in an honest and open manner. Do you think that is right? When someone like Chris Cillizza of CNN is complaining about this then it is worth noting. We can only go by what we now know so if Mr. Biden becomes more accessible then that would be a good thing. But it hasn't happened yet.
Sure, a 78 year old faces physical limitations (we all do, don't we?), but I suppose him to outperform Trump in terms of attention span and ability to abstract.
If you have been paying attention you would know that it is just the opposite. The future President has had numerous occasions where he has become confused and seems unable to finish a thought coherently. But we shall see. I'm all for giving him every chance in the world to prove his detractors wrong. Let's see if he does. He can start by granting non scripted press conferences. That is part of the job not an option.
Onkel Neal
11-15-20, 08:50 PM
Rgr the above and as a small point of interest or disinterest whichever viewpoint or opinion you have, I started following Trump on Twitter about a week ago and boy did I get my eyes opened.
How?
I'm guessing there will be an awful lot of "Trump was right" calls in the upcoming years. :yep:
Onkel Neal
11-15-20, 08:58 PM
I'm guessing there will be an awful lot of "Trump was right" calls in the upcoming years. :yep:
Not by his detractors. They'll never say that. But we will hear them lash out in anger and confusion plenty, they can never be truly happy. Their ideas of utopia are an illusion, right?
What I'm waiting for is the angst of the rich backers of the Dem party, they somehow haven't caught on to who is going to fund free college, free healthcare, and the GND, have they? :)
Jimbuna
11-16-20, 05:23 AM
How?
His posting is incessant and just about all his tweets and claims are without a shred of proof other than what is in his own mind. Nor have I seen so many different admin notes at the end of a tweet 'This claim about election fraud is disputed'
It is rather entertaining though and that is probably the reason I also follow Piers Morgan :)
Jimbuna
11-16-20, 11:37 AM
President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign has removed controversial claims it made in a lawsuit filed on Sunday in Pennsylvania that previously alleged its representatives were unable to watch the processing of 682,749 ballots.
The claims were a key component of the lawsuit, and had been amplified without evidence by the president and his inner circle.
State lawyers have since called for the lawsuit to be dismissed, saying it featured no “plausible claim for relief on any legal theory” in a statement provided to the court.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-campaign-scraps-claims-its-observers-werent-allowed-to-watch-vote-count-from-key-lawsuit/ar-BB1b3OqU?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ
He certainly doesn't appear to be doing himself any favours atm.
This guy is absolutely right.
Republicans Have Good Reason Not To Trust The Election Results
And it’s not because they’re stupid, traitorous Nazis.
By John Daniel Davidson (https://thefederalist.com/author/jddavidson/) November 16, 2020
To read reports in the mainstream press about the throngs of President Trump’s supporters who rallied in Washington, D.C., over the weekend, you’d think the crowd was made up of a bunch of conspiracy theory-addled rubes and delusional far-right extremists all of them hoodwinked into thinking the election was stolen. To read David Frum’s Twitter take, you’d think they were all Nazis.
The march came on the heels of a poll last week that found a staggering 70 percent of Republicans now say they don’t believe the presidential election was free and fair. That news, like news of the self-described Million MAGA March, was met with a mix of contempt, hysteria, and condescension from Democrats and the media.
Their rough consensus is that GOP voters who still support the president are either treasonous or stupid, reinforced constantly by a brittle insistence that there was “no fraud” in the presidential election. A totemic front-page declaration by the New York Times, “ELECTION OFFICIALS NATIONWIDE FIND NO FRAUD,” has been repeated everywhere, mantra-like. Any claims of voter fraud or ballot-counting irregularities, whether from President Trump or the tens of thousands who marched over the weekend, are “baseless,” “unfounded,” and have “no evidence” behind them.
There’s a palpable nervousness about the media’s insistence that the election was as pure as the driven snow. Maybe they seem so nervous because they know what everyone in America knows: there was nothing pure or secure or even ordinary about the election.
How could there be? Under the pretext of ensuring “voter access” during the pandemic, Democrats, leftist nonprofits, and activist judges across the country unleashed a flood of changes to election rules in the months leading up to the vote, including an unprecedented expansion of mail-in voting, an inherently fraught method of casting ballots that removes almost all oversight from the process.
No matter. States pushed ahead, mailing ballots to outdated voter rolls en masse and recklessly loosening oversight for how those ballots could be collected and counted. Chain-of-custody for absentee ballots went out the window, along with whatever meager safeguards usually apply to absentee voting. Ballot harvesting, long a tradition of corrupt Democratic political machines in places like Detroit and Philadelphia, was introduced in some places for the first time. Taken together, all these pandemic-inspired reforms presented an ideal opportunity for Democrats to flood absentee ballot-counting centers in major cities and run up the vote-count long after the polls closed on Election Day.
No wonder scores of Republican poll challengers in Michigan filed sworn affidavits claiming tens of thousands of fraudulent ballots were counted for Biden in Detroit. No wonder that in Philadelphia, poll watchers reported how they were forcibly kept from observing the counting of absentee ballots, as required under state law.
Not all the reports of ballot-counting skullduggery amount to old-fashioned voter fraud, but as my colleague Margot Cleveland has noted, they’re just as important because they undermine the integrity of an election just as much as, say, thousands of dead people voting.
Even more egregious than voter fraud (and harder to redress) are cases where election bureaucrats or activist judges simply ignored restrictions that GOP legislatures had passed into law. In Pennsylvania, the state supreme court brushed off rules set by lawmakers and extended a deadline for when absentee ballots could be received. Extending deadlines for absentee ballots is of course an invitation to break election laws—especially in Philadelphia, a city with a long history of ballot-stuffing and bribing election judges.
In other states, the corruption of election integrity was voluntary. In Georgia, the state government settled a lawsuit in March with a cadre of Democratic Party groups that changed the rules for accepting mail-in ballots. Instead of the signature on the ballot having to match the signature on the voter rolls, it only had to match the signature on the mail-in ballot application. You don’t need to be a sophisticated election thief to figure out how to get a fraudulent ballot counted under such rules.
On and on it goes. A dozen states temporarily expanded mail-in voting just for the 2020 election. Others mailed ballots to everyone on the voter rolls. Many others extended the mail-in ballot deadline, set up ballot drop boxes, and allowed mail-in ballot harvesting on a mass scale.
Any reasonable person can look at these changes and conclude they create conditions ripe for fraud and abuse. Only the most naïve, pollyannaish observer would survey all of the above and conclude, as our mainstream media has, that there was “no fraud” in the election. Of course there was, and everyone knows it.
Whether it was enough to change the outcome of the election, we’ll probably never know, partly because the kind of abuses and criminal activity engendered by mass mail-in voting are hard to detect and even harder to prove in court. But pointing all of this out, and having a problem with it, even to the point of saying you don’t have much confidence that the election was free and fair, doesn’t make you a rube or a conspiracy theorist.
By contrast, pretending that none of this had any effect on the election, and demonizing anyone who says it did, as the media is doing now, is a reaction born of self-doubt and desperation—like labeling anyone who disagrees with you a traitor or a Nazi. There’s an exhausted nervousness about it, a contempt rooted in insecurity. It’s the kind of thing you do when you’ve written off your countrymen, and given up on the idea of a republic.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/16/republicans-have-good-reason-not-to-trust-the-election-results/
Kptlt. Neuerburg
11-16-20, 11:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMz_sTgoydQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnhF_Qw0dtk&t=687s
Jimbuna
11-17-20, 07:06 AM
The first video is unavailable but the second one, if accurate is how I presumed the current situation to be.
Catfish
11-17-20, 07:51 AM
"Electile dysfunction"? :hmmm:
Jimbuna
11-17-20, 08:19 AM
Scary stuff...if true.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/17/trump-considered-striking-iran-nuclear-sites-after-election-loss
Surely the military hierarchy would run a million miles away before complying to any such order from an outgoing president.
u crank
11-17-20, 08:54 AM
Surely the military hierarchy would run a million miles away before complying to any such order from an outgoing president.
I would say that you are correct Jim. The bigger question is what will a Biden administration do in the Middle East and especially concerning Iran. If it is a return to Obama era policy then it won't be good. And will Joe Biden listen to and give in to the Washington war lobby and if he does will it undo the recent peace deals in that region? Joe's got a lot on his plate. Hopefully he will not go backwards but we shall see.
Rockstar
11-17-20, 09:45 AM
Scary stuff...if true.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/17/trump-considered-striking-iran-nuclear-sites-after-election-loss
Surely the military hierarchy would run a million miles away before complying to any such order from an outgoing president.
Surely in this day and age people would by now realize anything having to do with Iran the plans and established doctrine have been considered many times over. This includes military strikes, economic sanctions, ginning up internal strife and revolution etc etc. They may not always make a headline but those those options are always considered.
The idea that one man can just out of the blue think to bomb another country because he wants too is ludicrous. That's from European history not ours.
If 'we' were to bomb Iran such action would have been long in the making and Trump would just be a scapegoat. Something to keep in mind too all those bases around the middle east are not just U.S. They are NATO. If the feces hits the rotating oscillator we are all gonna take a big bite out that crap sandwich.
Mr Quatro
11-17-20, 10:48 AM
Iran and NK are both hoping another fence sitter like Obama is taking over the WH so they can push their way around
and become the big men on campus in the nuclear warfare field. :yep:
Let Israel take out Iran and the USN back them up says Admiral Quatro :D
Jimbuna
11-17-20, 11:35 AM
Surely in this day and age people would by now realize anything having to do with Iran the plans and established doctrine have been considered many times over. This includes military strikes, economic sanctions, ginning up internal strife and revolution etc etc. They may not always make a headline but those those options are always considered.
The idea that one man can just out of the blue think to bomb another country because he wants too is ludicrous. That's from European history not ours.
If 'we' were to bomb Iran such action would have been long in the making and Trump would just be a scapegoat. Something to keep in mind too all those bases around the middle east are not just U.S. They are NATO. If the feces hits the rotating oscillator we are all gonna take a big bite out that crap sandwich.
I'm happy to take that all into consideration but when was the last time the US had such an unpredictable commander-in-chief like they currently have?
Rockstar
11-17-20, 11:49 AM
I'm happy to take that all into consideration but when was the last time the US had such an unpredictable commander-in-chief like they currently have?
Way I see it there's a big difference between telling everyone how unpredictable he is and how unpredictable he actually is. When it comes to foreign and domestic policies he has been very predictable. In fact I would go so far as to say has fallen lock step with the things that really matter regarding major current foreign and domestic policy doctrines. Take a step back for a moment and look and you will find nothing of great importance has really changed at all. Nor does he have any special magical powers of unpredictability which would allow him to launch a one man strike against Iran. Its an impossibility.
edit: Not to say a strike is an impossibility. Just for a president in this country to act on a some kind of unpredictable whim is.
Scary stuff...if true.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/17/trump-considered-striking-iran-nuclear-sites-after-election-loss
Surely the military hierarchy would run a million miles away before complying to any such order from an outgoing president.
And this was what I mentioned in one of my comments after nov. 3. That he will leave the office with a country at war with Iran and/or NK.
Skybird responded and said something with burnt soiled.
Let's hope it stays inside speculation.
Markus
Bilge_Rat
11-17-20, 12:54 PM
Scary stuff...if true.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/17/trump-considered-striking-iran-nuclear-sites-after-election-loss
Surely the military hierarchy would run a million miles away before complying to any such order from an outgoing president.
Trump is the President until january 20, 2021.
Bush sr. sent 28,000 marines into Somalia in dec. 1992, after he had been beaten by Clinton.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/this-day-in-politics-dec-4-1992-1037009
No one questioned his authority to do it.
Jimbuna
11-17-20, 12:56 PM
Was the US less divided then than it is now though?
Rockstar
11-17-20, 01:39 PM
Trump is the President until january 20, 2021.
Bush sr. sent 28,000 marines into Somalia in dec. 1992, after he had been beaten by Clinton.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/this-day-in-politics-dec-4-1992-1037009
No one questioned his authority to do it.
But Bush did not send troops in because he lost the election or to get back at Clinton. Neither was the planned intervention in Somalia something that was dreamt up over night. Bush had support of the U.N., his advisors, Department of State, key figures in congress and the military to relieve a major humanitarian crisis long in the making. Even Britain, Belgium, France, Canada, Pakistan and Jordan contributed to the cause.
I'll say it again its an impossibility for a sitting president to launch a strike because of some widely held belief he is subject to unpredictable whims. On the other hand as Somalia shows us, military intervention during transitions of power is nothing new either.
If we were to start bombing power plants in Iran its not going to be because of something that was just dreamt up overnight or some perceived election loss butthurt either. In fact what I find the scariest out of all of this is if it were to happen Trump WOULD make the perfect scapegoat and people around the world would readily lap it up and believe it. All that would mean to me is the President isn't really the one that makes the decisions and has no real power.
Onkel Neal
11-17-20, 01:46 PM
I'm happy to take that all into consideration but when was the last time the US had such an unpredictable commander-in-chief like they currently have?
Well, to be fair, since 1980 every single time a Republican is President they have been accused of being a war-mongering, dangerous maniac by Europe and the US lefties. .
Reagan: The Left and Europe wet their pants over everything he did. Worked out pretty well in the end.
Bush I: Managed to come through with his hide intact.
Bush II: Oh man, I was warned not to wear a Bush for President t-shirt in europe. Even had people get angry with me over there because I supported Bush Jr.
Rockstar
11-17-20, 02:12 PM
I don't think the anti-war, anti-U.S. peace loving, its not us, Europeans have yet to figure out how deep they are in the middle east. Its not just the U.S. ya we pay for a lot of it. But they are knee deep in the feces with us.
The word of the day is 'CJTF-OIR'
Bilge_Rat
11-17-20, 02:13 PM
On the other hand as Somalia shows us, military intervention during transitions of power is nothing new either.
That was more my point, there is one POTUS at a time and he (or she) has the full powers of the office for the full 4 years.
One scenario which has been war gamed over the years is what would happen if an adversary tried to take advantage of the transition period to launch an attack.
For example, In another group I am a member of, way back in 2016, before the election, we had gamed out what would happen if the Russians had decided to launch a full scale invasion of Ukraine in late november 2016, after the election, but while Obama was still President.
It is clear that in a fast moving situation like that, you don't want to have any confusion about who is in charge and in command of the U.S. military.
Jimbuna
11-17-20, 02:26 PM
Bush II: Oh man, I was warned not to wear a Bush for President t-shirt in europe. Even had people get angry with me over there because I supported Bush Jr.
Yes, I remember you telling me :)
Well, to be fair, since 1980 every single time a Republican is President they have been accused of being a war-mongering, dangerous maniac by Europe and the US lefties. .
I would add also "lefties" for Europe here. I grew up in the 80s as a kid (in Germany). Reagan was hated by the "lefties but that was not the common approach toward him. The Conservatives/liberals supported him in general and that were the majority in the 80s in Germany, UK and other European countries (ok, I get stoned now by some folks here putting UK and European in one context ;))
Mr Quatro
11-17-20, 04:20 PM
The news I heard was that Trump merely asked what his options were about Iran enriching uranium 12 times more than allowed :yep:
What's wrong with that? :hmmm:
Rockstar
11-17-20, 04:30 PM
The news I heard was that Trump merely asked what his options were about Iran enriching uranium 12 times more than allowed :yep:
What's wrong with that? :hmmm:
Its none of his business, decisions like these aren't made by Presidents I guess.
Catfish
11-17-20, 04:31 PM
As far as i heard the US cancelled the Iran nuclear deal, so they are free to do as they please. Until the next TLAM strike ..
Rockstar
11-17-20, 04:44 PM
Whatever happened to Britain, France and Germany accusing Iran of breaking the deal with them and the big 3 taking steps to reimpose sanctions? How's that going? Or did Merkel consider things like that hate speech?
Mr Quatro
11-17-20, 06:31 PM
Guess what happens on December 14th this year?
December 14, 2020 Total Solar Eclipse
December 14, 2020: Electors Vote in Their States
Monday after the second Wednesday in December of presidential election years is set as the date on which the electors meet and vote.
In 2020, the meeting is on December 14
Nov. 4-Dec. 14, 2020: Counting popular votes and filing Certificates of Ascertainment
https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/election-2020-timeline-which-steps-come-after-nov-3-election/WCFUPYQPOZEWZGRYUKSO6SG5FM/
States began counting and certifying voting results on Nov. 4, 2020. Counting and certifying are done per the laws of the state and regulations.
When that count is finished, the governor of the state must prepare reports of the vote totals called Certificates of Ascertainment of the vote.
According to federal law, the certificates must be completed “as soon as practicable.”
Certificates of Ascertainment include a list of names of the electors who were chosen by the voters, along with the votes received in the popular election results.
Also included is a list of the losing candidates for elector and the number of votes they received.
Seven copies are made and each must carry the seal of the state. One copy is forwarded to the Archivist of the United States. The six duplicates go to the state’s electors by the day they meet to vote – Dec. 14.
But wait it's not over December 8th is also a very important date :yep:
Dec. 8, 2020: The “Safe Harbor” deadline
Federal law (3 U.S.C. §5) addresses a situation that is intended to bring to a close any dispute over electoral votes. It’s something known as the Safe Harbor deadline.
States have until Dec. 8 to resolve any disputes and certify their voting results to send the electors to the Electoral College to vote. If they do not do that by Dec. 8, results could be deemed inconclusive and that could result in electors not being counted.
The statute says that:
If election results are contested in any state, and
if the state has enacted procedures to settle controversies over electors and electoral votes, and
if these procedures have been applied, and
if the results have been determined six days before the electors' meetings, then these results are considered to be conclusive, and will apply in the counting of the electoral votes.
Six days before the electors' meetings is Dec. 8, this year.
Bet you thought it was over, uh? Not yet :up:
Dec. 14, 2020: Electors vote in their states
Again, federal law sets a deadline for electors to meet in their states and vote for president and vice president.
The Monday after the second Wednesday in December – Dec. 14 this year – is the date the electors will meet.
They meet at the places selected by their state’s legislature.
Voting on paper ballots, they cast one vote for president and a separate vote for vice president.
The votes are counted and then the electors sign six certificates that include a list of the electoral votes for president, and a separate list of electoral votes for the vice president. These are the Certificates of the Vote.
The Certificates of the Vote are paired with the Certificates of Ascertainment, sealed and certified.
The certificates are sent by registered mail to:
The president of the Senate (the vice president of the United States)
The secretary of the state in the state in which the electors met (he or she gets two copies)
The archivist of the United States (he or she gets two copies)
The judge of the U.S. district court in the district where the electors met
Dec. 23, 2020: Certificates must be delivered to the designated officials
The certificates have to reach the officers named above by the fourth Wednesday in December – Dec. 23 this year.
If not before this it's going be by now that the cat is out of the bag on who voted for what, but wait it's still not over.
Jan. 6, 2021: Joint Session of Congress to count electoral votes and declare the results
On Jan. 6, the House and the Senate meet in a joint session at 1 p.m. to count votes and declare the results.
The vice president, serving as president of the Senate, presides over the event. In this case, Vice President Mike Pence will open the certificates and presents them to four “tellers,” two from each chamber.
Tellers are charged with reading out and then making a list of the results contained in the certificates.
When the tellers have finished counting the votes, they report the results to the vice president.
Whichever ticket receives a majority of 270 or more electoral votes “shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President.”
Wait it's still not over :o
Joint Session Challenges to Electoral Votes
Members of either chamber can object to the votes in the certificates. The objections must be made in writing by at least one member of both the House and the Senate.
If both a House and Senate member objects, the joint session goes into recess, separates and debates the question. They have two hours to do so.
They then vote separately in their own chambers and resume the joint session to announce the results. Both houses must approve the objection in order to keep votes from being counted.
There may not be an inauguration on January 20th if the declared winner (in this case Joe Biden) doesn't have the necessary 270 electoral votes of which his count is 309 electoral votes meaning 40 votes less would put him below 270 at 269 and trigger an automatic vote by the states in the House/Senate and by law that would mean one vote per state which is at this moment (and even with a new congress) means the red states win with a majority of votes in both the house and the Senate.
To heck with the fat lady ... Never give up :up:
Onkel Neal
11-17-20, 06:33 PM
Well, have they found any unusual fraud? I know, not likely to hear about it on CNN if they did, but still, if there were tens of thousands of invalid votes, it shouldn't be difficult to prove. What's the deal?
Well Trump fired the head of Homeland Security that oversees voting irregularities because he said they have found no voter fraud. And now Trump has put Guliani in charge of his legal team, that should be fun to watch,lol
Buddahaid
11-17-20, 09:15 PM
Trumps getting pretty far out on that branch and looking more foolish by the day.
Rockstar
11-17-20, 10:04 PM
I get a get kick outta this. For several years now there has been one accusation after another brought against the president. In fact that was pretty much the whole platform of the Democratic party this election.
Now its time for a barrage of accusation after accusation of voter fraud. Which I suspect is just as intentional as the collusion debacle. Its political head games, an attempt to burn the idea of fraud and a stolen presidency into the psyche of the mid-term voter.
That's my guess
Skybird
11-18-20, 04:22 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54982360
Head of CISA "terminated" by the little snapped boy in revenge.
People did not love the little boy this time, not sufficient at leats to get himn his new toys. And now they must be punsihed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMa5pNSu17c
Catfish
11-18-20, 04:27 AM
re Rockstar I'd also find it amusing, but there are way too much people dying.
Trump screwed up so often that accusations are self-evident and necessary, not that he reacted to anything ever. Recent action is opening Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil and gas drilling leases (makes perfect sense since there is so "few" oil on the market), and he sells the leases to just of all: China.
He'd sell it to Russia, but you know ... they already have too much oil.
And "Voter fraud"? There is none. https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol.
Trump better put up or shut up.
Jimbuna
11-18-20, 05:56 AM
Trumps getting pretty far out on that branch and looking more foolish by the day.
That's pretty much how I'm beginning to see it now :yep:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54982360
Head of CISA "terminated" by the little snapped boy in revenge.
People did not love the little boy this time, not sufficient at leats to get himn his new toys. And now they must be punsihed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMa5pNSu17c
He should be careful, he might get up one morning and look at his reflection in the bathroom mirror and fire himself.
There is speculation in Washington DC that before Mr Trump leaves office in January, CIA director Gina Haspel and FBI director Christopher Wray could also be for the chopping block.
Skybird
11-18-20, 07:11 AM
He should be careful, he might get up one morning and look at his reflection in the bathroom mirror and fire himself.He only fires people who ndo not beleive, do not tell and do not spread his lies, so you need to dubb the reflection in the mirror with something to contradict him to make him firing himself. ;) Allah once was said to be the greatest deceiver, but he then lost the title to his American successor, it seems.
Rockstar
11-18-20, 09:22 AM
re Rockstar I'd also find it amusing, but there are way too much people dying.
Trump screwed up so often that accusations are self-evident and necessary, not that he reacted to anything ever. Recent action is opening Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil and gas drilling leases (makes perfect sense since there is so "few" oil on the market), and he sells the leases to just of all: China.
He'd sell it to Russia, but you know ... they already have too much oil.
And "Voter fraud"? There is none. https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol.
Trump better put up or shut up.
The thing about drilling for oil is there needs to be a buyer for the product otherwise whats the point of drilling? U.S. oil exports to Germany have more than tripled in the past few years. We're having to open up 'area 1002' to help satisfy Germany's and other's appetite for the stuff. I suppose if you could convince everyone to walk to work we wouldn't have too. But we all know that's not going to happen. I know it sucks but unless a Thanos pandemic comes along and wipes out have the world's population we're going to to keep drilling for oil to meet demand AND we're gonna make money doing it. European refiners love that cheap U.S. crude.
Also, Like I said before we dont live in a dictatorship, contrary to the popular spoon fed beliefs, Trump doesn't have a magic wand or acts on a whim. Our illustrious congress in a bi-partisan vote pretty much gave Trump the green light to act when they lifted the decades old oil export ban. Everyone was for sale, big oil gave the environmentalist Democrats half-a-decade of tax credits for solar and wind projects, while their industry-friendly counterparts like Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) and most Republicans got an end to the prohibition on overseas crude sales. U.S. liquid production has risen by over 150 percent as net import dependence has fallen by over 60 percent. Thank you congress for lifting the ban!
As for voter fraud, you're right I dont for a moment think there was any fraud great enough to sway this election. The fraud controversy is on display for the simple minded nits who love the drama. Its probably going to be the only thing they'll remember when considering the next mid-term. Plus it makes them feel important because it gives them something to talk about they can understand and keeps them distracted. While the representatives THEY voted in lift the ban on oil exports and then shift the blame all on Trump. Its the in thing these days.
Catfish
11-18-20, 12:38 PM
Almost every fact check of what the Donald has said is false. If Trump is so dedicated to help his "friends" with oil, why does he sell the lease to China.
He just wants to destroy all that others built up before, scorched earth policy on his way out.
Rockstar
11-18-20, 01:01 PM
He just wants to destroy? Fact check this date December 20th 2017 congress approves legislation to open area 1002 to oil drilling.
Trump is selling leases to Chinese oil companies? Permits are not bestowed upon friends they are auctioned off and the highest bidder wins, money talks b.s. walks. Plus I hear most drillers aren't all that eager to touch the area with a ten foot barge pole yet anyway.
Who makes the laws that would allow a foreign company to operate in the U.S. EEZ and lands? I know most would say Trump because they've been trained too believe 'he's out to get everybody and destroy everything' :roll:
It looks like desperate steps/measure in my opinion what Mr. Trump is saying and doing.
I guess it's not unusual when it comes to a defeated President approaching his last time in the White house, that a President takes these desperate steps.
Markus
Onkel Neal
11-18-20, 02:31 PM
Almost every fact check of what the Donald has said is false. If Trump is so dedicated to help his "friends" with oil, why does he sell the lease to China.
He just wants to destroy all that others built up before, scorched earth policy on his way out.
He's CRAZY, man ! He's crazeeey!
https://media1.tenor.com/images/f6448deecf625ba767b1384fe7d6a948/tenor.gif
Catfish
11-18-20, 03:15 PM
^ :haha: :03:
@Rockstar no angels anywhere i know, but Trump just implementing what others decided before? ... no, he wants to p.. off everyone who is not one of his yes-men, this is a personal thing for him.
Are you like me ?
Where you are divided into two parts
The first one is saying to you, what evil thing Trump may come up with, while the other side say...cool down..yes Trump may yell on his way out of the White house, but that's all.
Markus
Buddahaid
11-18-20, 03:28 PM
He may be on the way out but he'll never concede and will continue to attack for years to come.
Rockstar
11-18-20, 03:42 PM
He may be on the way out but he'll never concede and will continue to attack for years to come. Al Gore didnt concede until the day before the electors met when it became obvious to Al they didnt give a rats patoot about the hanging chad.
As for this election. The voter fraud conspiracy will be just as useful to Republicans as the collusion conspiracy was to the Democrats in terms of swaying voter opinion. You say for years to come, I'll give it until November 8th 2022. Since this election was fairly close I dont think there will be any 'mandates' proclaimed and pushed through by Democrats this time around. In fact I'd wager Schumer, Polosi, Schiff and whats her face will probably be laying pretty low trying to stay out of sight out of mind for the next two years.
Buddahaid
11-18-20, 04:20 PM
True for the GOP but Trump will not fade away and bleat about the massive voter fraud forever.
Catfish
11-18-20, 04:24 PM
Not if there's forensic evidence.
Buddahaid
11-18-20, 04:27 PM
He doesn't need evidence. He has his belief he was cheated which is all he needs.
Catfish
11-18-20, 05:09 PM
What i meant is that forensic evidence may also put him into jail, and either make him shut up, or a martyr.
Rockstar
11-18-20, 07:11 PM
^ :haha: :03:
@Rockstar no angels anywhere i know, but Trump just implementing what others decided before? ... no, he wants to p.. off everyone who is not one of his yes-men, this is a personal thing for him.
Congress is the one who lifted the oil export ban. Congress is the one that approved the opening of ANWR area 1002. The executive branch authorizes the department responsible for enforcement to make what the representatives of 'we the people' want to happen. And I do use that term 'we the people' loosely. As this thread exposes most dont have a clue what their representatives are doing nor do they seem to care. Conspiracies theories and regurgitating the latest gossip of he said she said or hair comb over's are apparently much more important.
Rockstar
11-18-20, 09:26 PM
Stop the presses! I forgot, I think Gore actually conceded the election soon after the initial results. But later changed his mind, lawyer-ed up and kept filing protests until the Supreme court told him to pack sand. It wasn't until the 13th of December that he conceded for a second time for the same election. :yep:
Another kewl story. President Andrew Jackson shot a man in the head and killed him after the man had published slanderous remarks about Jackson's wife. Ahh the good ol'days. lol
No such thing as voter fraud, nope.
Two Los Angeles (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/los-angeles) men have been charged with voter fraud after attempting to submit 8,000 ballot applications (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/voting) for nonexistent or deceased voters.Hawthorne, California (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/west/california), mayoral candidate Carlos Antonio De Bourbon Montenegro, 53, and Marcos Raul Arevalo, 34, planned the effort in an attempt to help Montenegro win his bid for mayor, Los Angeles District attorney announced (https://da.lacounty.gov/sites/default/files/press/111720-Pair-Charged-With-Voter-Fraud.pdf) Tuesday.
The county is accusing Montenegro of submitting more than 8,000 fraudulent ballot applications on behalf of "fictitious, nonexistent or deceased" voters between July 1 and Oct. 15 of this year, according to a felony complaint.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-men-charged-8000-ballot-applications
Catfish
11-19-20, 03:32 AM
[...]
Another kewl story. President Andrew Jackson shot a man in the head and killed him after the man had published slanderous remarks about Jackson's wife. Ahh the good ol'days. lol
Today the president plays golf four times a week and actively hinders to implement measures with now 1869 deaths per day. That's progress :yeah:
Good that the states gave up on Trump's advice and do something themselves.
Catfish
11-19-20, 04:02 AM
Congress is the one who lifted the oil export ban. Congress is the one that approved the opening of ANWR area 1002. The executive branch authorizes the department responsible for enforcement to make what the representatives of 'we the people' want to happen. And I do use that term 'we the people' loosely. As this thread exposes most dont have a clue what their representatives are doing nor do they seem to care. Conspiracies theories and regurgitating the latest gossip of he said she said or hair comb over's are apparently much more important.
Seems to be right, though i would deny the US congress expertise on that matter. There is no doubt why this was being announced and done right now by Trump. Hoping to get Alaskan voters for him while promising economical boost, but did not help much it seems.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/17/trump-administration-arctic-refuge-drilling-397006
It is about spreading chaos, desinformation
"President Donald Trump is trying to turn America’s free and fair election into a muddled mess of misinformation, specious legal claims and baseless attacks on the underpinnings of the nation’s democracy. The resulting chaos and confusion that has created isn’t the byproduct of Trump’s strategy following his defeat to Democrat Joe Biden. The chaos and confusion is the strategy.
Trump’s blizzard of attacks on the election are allowing him to sow discontent and doubt among his most loyal supporters, leaving many with the false impression that he is the victim of fraudulent voting." It is all about his ego.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-coronavirus-pandemic-cae4b93cb0a730d4a3b077d25f63d2f9
Regarding Alaska, the whole region is a mere no-man's-land when it comes to seismic exploration and to come to grips where the oil is, if there is some at all. Besides there is not exactly a shortage of oil to expect in the next decades, at the moment all sit on their oil and cannot sell it, it is not just because of Corona but because of a general excess capacity. Russia's economy is amost crumbling because of low oil prices, as are other oil-exporting nations.
My personal gripe is making the rest of natural refuges available for industrial exploitation, thus destroying it to make money. Not only in Alaska of course.
I told you it would be fun to watch Giuliani in action,lol
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/is-rudy-giuliani-leaking/ar-BB1bbcuD?li=BBnbfcL
Rockstar
11-19-20, 07:35 PM
Seems to be right, though i would deny the US congress expertise on that matter. There is no doubt why this was being announced and done right now by Trump. Hoping to get Alaskan voters for him while promising economical boost, but did not help much it seems.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/17/trump-administration-arctic-refuge-drilling-397006
It is about spreading chaos, desinformation
"President Donald Trump is trying to turn America’s free and fair election into a muddled mess of misinformation, specious legal claims and baseless attacks on the underpinnings of the nation’s democracy. The resulting chaos and confusion that has created isn’t the byproduct of Trump’s strategy following his defeat to Democrat Joe Biden. The chaos and confusion is the strategy.
Trump’s blizzard of attacks on the election are allowing him to sow discontent and doubt among his most loyal supporters, leaving many with the false impression that he is the victim of fraudulent voting." It is all about his ego.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-coronavirus-pandemic-cae4b93cb0a730d4a3b077d25f63d2f9
Regarding Alaska, the whole region is a mere no-man's-land when it comes to seismic exploration and to come to grips where the oil is, if there is some at all. Besides there is not exactly a shortage of oil to expect in the next decades, at the moment all sit on their oil and cannot sell it, it is not just because of Corona but because of a general excess capacity. Russia's economy is amost crumbling because of low oil prices, as are other oil-exporting nations.
My personal gripe is making the rest of natural refuges available for industrial exploitation, thus destroying it to make money. Not only in Alaska of course.
ANWR or the Tongass to drilling and logging congress did that and some of those plans have been in the works since 2011. Most of it is just another government subsidized bridge to nowhere scheme to help keep what few jobs are left in a nearly non existent logging industry afloat. IMO what you see in the papers is Trump as usual attempting to take credit for it all. While the real culprits in Congress are only too willing to allow it as it conveniently deflects media attention away from themselves.
Jimbuna
11-20-20, 08:19 AM
US President-elect Joe Biden's victory in Georgia has been confirmed by a recount, as legal efforts by Donald Trump's allies to challenge his defeat were dismissed in three states.
The Democrat beat his Republican rival in Georgia by 12,284 votes, according to the audit required by state law.
Mr Biden said Mr Trump knew he was not going to win and had shown "incredible irresponsibility" by not conceding.
The Democrat is set to take office in January as the 46th US president.
Mr Biden's victory margin in the public vote overall stands at more than 5.9 million. His victory in the US Electoral College system, which determines who becomes president, is projected to be 306 to 232 - far above the 270 he needs to win.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55006188
Instead of accusing almost everyone around him, Trump should start to look inward and investigate him self and his nearest surroundings.
Then maybe he will discover why he lost.
Markus
Mr Quatro
11-20-20, 05:47 PM
Instead of accusing almost everyone around him, Trump should start to look inward and investigate him self and his nearest surroundings.
Then maybe he will discover why he lost.
Markus
That's not going to happen Markus ... I love Trump, but he has a serious personality problem plus we in the USA were only given two choices Trump or Biden.
73 million people chose Trump and 79 million chose Biden with half because they hated Trump :o
I still think either he's going to win outright through the judicial process of the courts all the way to the SC if he has to and then on to the house/senate vote with one vote per state, but it doesn't end there.
Not my prophesy you understand, but Pat Robertson of CBN said that Trump would win and then all hell would break loose with riots and at least two (2) attempts on his life.
That could still happen in the next 40 days or so :yep:
or Trump could turn it over to VP Mike Pence (who looks good for 2024 to me)
right before the inauguration so that he doesn't have to face Biden
My prophesy is that Trump would win and then turn the WH over to VP Mike Pence ... I never knew why he would do this, but now it's becoming quite clear the left wing nuts are not going to like the outcome of this election with riots in the streets of America till like Nixon Trump steps down taking his family to safer territory. :yep:
^ And this is your given right, which no one shall take away from you.
I have seen the same here in Denmark, a right wing party lost more than half of it's parliamentary members in the last election and instead of analyse why they lost so big they and their supporters started to accuse other right wing politicians and their supporters.
If I understand what have been written since the last election in UK, the Labour is doing the same-accuse others.
I can't predict the future, I think if Trump should win after all, it will be riots
I don't think none of us need to have such an ability to predict what will happen if Trump wins after all.
Markus
Buddahaid
11-20-20, 06:19 PM
If he manages to sway electors against their state's vote and he gets elected it will get ugly. I don't believe that will happen.
President Donald Trump has announced he is ending the “injustice” riddling the United States healthcare system and bringing “colossal savings” to Americans – declaring “we will pay the lowest price” for drugs among developed nations.
“My administration is issuing two groundbreaking rules to very dramatically lower the price of prescription drugs for the American people – especially for our cherished seniors,” he said.
“The unprecedented reforms we’re completing today are the direct result of the historic drug pricing executive orders I signed in July.
“For generations, the American people have been abused by big pharma and their army of lawyers, lobbyist and bought-and-paid-for politicians.”
President Trump said the first action would save American seniors billions by preventing “famous middlemen” from “ripping off Medicare patients” with higher prescription prices.
Note: 21/11/2020
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6211313814001
Buddahaid
11-21-20, 01:23 AM
I'm not holding my breath.
Skybird
11-21-20, 06:29 AM
As soon as Biden was on stage, you almost wanted Trump back
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschla nd%2Fschwarzer-kanal%2Fdie-focus-kolumne-von-jan-fleischhauer-kaum-stand-biden-auf-der-buehne-hat-man-sich-trump-fast-schon-wieder-zurueckgewuenscht_id_12687268.html
Often not understood on our side of the pond. Remember? I congratulated for having voted Trump out - and expressed my condolence for getting Biden and the Dems instead.
The suicide squad around AOC will make sure that the party in unvotable again in four years. And then they will have paved the way for the next old or new Trump.
"St. Martin wasn't a leftist, ”Harald Schmidt once said:“ He shared his own coat. ”Sounds like a gag, but it's unfortunately true.
Schmidt is a German TV comedian and entertainer. In his great years he was a bombshell on screen.
Jimbuna
11-21-20, 06:38 AM
Donald Trump has had a fresh setback in his bid to overturn his loss in the US election as Michigan lawmakers indicated they would not seek to undo Joe Biden's projected win in the state.
Two Republican legislators pledged to follow "normal process" in validating the vote after a White House meeting.
Earlier on Friday, Georgia dealt the US president another blow by certifying Mr Biden's razor-thin margin of victory.
The Democrat is set to take office on 20 January as the 46th US president.
Mr Biden's victory in the Electoral College system, which determines who becomes president, is projected to be 306 to 232 - far above the 270 he needs to win. His lead in the public vote overall stands at more than 5.9 million.
Mr Trump, who has had few public appearances since the 3 November vote, on Friday again falsely claimed victory. "I won, by the way," he said, while making an announcement on drug pricing.
He has made allegations of widespread electoral fraud, without providing any evidence. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55025997
He is doing immeasurable damage not only to himself but also the US.
I've no idea how it will eventually pan out but whichever way it does, it could be very ugly.
Jimbuna
11-21-20, 06:45 AM
Whichever side you support, here is a pretty good article imho from the BBC News.
US election results: Can Trump overturn the outcome? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55020428
I'd recommend reading it in its entirety, especially the last section 'What happens if Donald Trump refuses to leave office?'
Skybird
11-21-20, 06:55 AM
Yes, scorehed earth strategy .
But I cannot understand why anybody, after four years of Trump, could pretend to be surprised. Trump means: playing foul, thats what his name stands for: playingf foul, cheat, lie. And suddenly he was expected to play fair and by the rules?
If the democrats really did not forsee and expected this and formed a solid plan for that, then they are even more stupid than I so far believed to have understood they are.
America, send both parties and all the personell to hell, and then form a new election system.
Guiliani once was an admired mayor in difficult times. Now he has beocme a simple criminal mobster with the tongue of a black mamba. How deep a fall. Serves as a warning to me again that you never really know other people even if you think you have recongised them as what they are. But we never can get inside any other's head.
Jimbuna
11-21-20, 07:44 AM
This is representative of what is currently being aired in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfHNA8VGEF4
America, send both parties and all the personell to hell, and then form a new election system.
To do that we would need a new constitution.
Rockstar
11-21-20, 08:03 AM
Youtube reality (hat tip Jimbuna)
https://youtu.be/NfHNA8VGEF4
Reality (hat tip MrQuatro)
States have until Dec. 8 to resolve any disputes and certify their voting results
Dec. 14, 2020: Electors vote in their states
Dec. 23, 2020: Certificates must be delivered to the designated officials
Jan. 6, 2021: Joint Session of Congress to count electoral votes and declare the results
Joint Session Challenges to Electoral Votes
January 20th New President takes oath of office.
And......
. http://sites.psu.edu/myfirstyearblog/wp-content/uploads/sites/16193/2014/09/thats-all-folks-porky-pig.jpg
Mr Quatro
11-21-20, 12:35 PM
http://sites.psu.edu/myfirstyearblog/wp-content/uploads/sites/16193/2014/09/thats-all-folks-porky-pig.jpg[/B]
Not really over until the next inauguration is held in private with the National Guard in attendance at precisely noon on January 20th swearing the oath on a Holy Bible held by Chief justice Roberts.
Guess who will be there? :hmmm:
The 20th Amendment moves the date of inauguration from March to "noon on the 20th ... is certain to schedule the swearing in for as close as possible to noon.
Whichever side you support, here is a pretty good article imho from the BBC News.
I'd recommend reading it in its entirety, especially the last section 'What happens if Donald Trump refuses to leave office?'
This sentence
"At that point, the Secret Service and the US military are free to treat the former president the way they do any unauthorised individual on government property."
Made my imagination go wild.
Trump activate his militia which are waiting for go-ahead signal.
Some general is on Trump side...
Of course this will NOT happen. Trump will leave the white House before Jan. 21. Not quietly though
Markus
Trump activate his militia which are waiting for go-ahead signal.
Trump doesn't have a militia.
^ This is correct.
I was thinking on these militia group who support Trump
I'm also thinking on the first debate they had, where Trump said something with
Stand down and Stand by.
Markus
Catfish
11-21-20, 05:16 PM
Trump doesn't have a militia.
No? (https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=trump+militia&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiC0t3e1JTtAhUPGuwKHeqvBh8Q7Al6BAgGEBs&biw=1116&bih=663)
Skybird
11-21-20, 05:22 PM
I was thinking on these militia group who support Trump
That aint no militias just becasue they name themselves as that.
A militia in the US must have been called into existence by the governor of the state it is in (it cannot legitimise itself as a militia), and it must be under the command and follow orders of that governor, like a regular military unit. Only then it is a militia. Else it is just a radicalised gang of armed blokes, mobsters, or worse. And that is what Trump got.
^I want argue with you, you are most likely right.
The word militia is something I got from the news here in Denmark and in Sweden.
Markus
That aint no militias just becasue they name themselves as that.
You're wrong again. Read up on what is called the Unorganized Militia.
As for any of them being Trumps, well show me the militia group that has declared subservience to him. We're not Germans. We don't follow leaders slavishly to our doom.
You're wrong again. Read up on what is called the Unorganized Militia.
As for any of them being Trumps, well show me the militia group that has declared subservience to him. We're not Germans. We don't follow leaders slavishly to our doom.
I couldn't find anything where these militia group has declared subservience to Trump.
I have found an article about the largest militia group in USA Oath Keepers who refuse to accept the outcome of the election.
I wonder if this isn't the same.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/oath-keepers-militia-donald-trump-joe-biden-2020-election-b1723323.html
Markus
Skybird
11-21-20, 05:58 PM
^I want argue with you, you are most likely right.
The word militia is something I got from the news here in Denmark and in Sweden.
Markus
There is a strong right-radical scene in the Us that is formed of several armed mobs that label themselves as miltias, of course always claiming to be "patriots". They have in common a strong hostility towards the federal government, and a strong racist fundament.
But these are just armed gangs, no militas as defined by and embedded in the legal framework set up in the US. Like a bank robber with a flag and a weapon is not part of the US army just because he has also a flag and not just a weapon.
Trump referred to the Proud Boys, for example, who claim sometimes to be a milita. They are not, they are armed rightwing extremists and supremacists. There are black groups who armed up in reaction to the marching of pro Tump mobs, also sometimes describing themselves or naming themselves as "milita". Again, they are not.
Jimbuna
11-22-20, 09:55 AM
I think it best if I bundle much of the above up and say 'there is a potential for things turning ugly'
Somehow I don't think it will though.
Jimbuna
11-22-20, 12:00 PM
A judge in Pennsylvania has dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump campaign that sought to invalidate millions of mail-in votes in the battleground state.
Judge Matthew Brann said the suit, which rested on allegations of irregularities, was "without merit".
In the ruling Judge Brann wrote that the Trump campaign had tried to "disenfranchise almost seven million voters".
He said his "court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".
"In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," the judge wrote.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55030617
Skybird
11-22-20, 07:18 PM
"A Huge Catastrophe"[LINK]: (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/huge-catastrophe-democrats-grapple-congressional-state-election-losses-n1248529)
Heading into the election, Democrats dreamed (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/democrats-hopes-fell-far-short-texas-here-s-why-state-n1246413) it would go something like "Star Wars," with rebel forces blowing up the Death Star and celebrating in the streets as a blue wave swept them into power in Washington and state capitals.But President-elect Joe Biden (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden)'s victory ended up looking more like the horror movie "Alien," with the last bedraggled survivor kicking the monster out of the airlock and then drifting off to an uncertain fate in deep, dark space. And wherever they ended up, there would probably be another alien.
Yes, Biden soundly defeated President Donald Trump (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/what-trump-faces-jan-20-2021-n1247722) — and there was even some partying (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-s-win-sparks-street-celebrations-around-country-n1246922) in the streets — but the results were brutal (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/2020-biden-election-win-will-mean-less-if-senate-majority-ncna1246508) down the ballot in ways that could haunt Democrats (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/senate-democrats-contemplate-divided-government-under-biden-presidency-n1246906) for years.
The party fumbled key Senate races, (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/we-are-stunned-two-georgia-races-will-decide-which-party-n1246962) lost ground in the House (https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-congress-democrats-int/glum-u-s-house-democrats-lament-2020-election-losses-idUSKBN27L342) and failed to capture state legislatures (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/democrats-blame-increased-trump-turnout-uphill-races-failure-win-state-n1247168) in a redistricting year despite having the political winds at its back, more money in its bank account and a hyper-activated grassroots movement that had spent four years preparing for this moment.
If this wasn't the year for Democrats to win big, then when?
The leftier and the more "progressive" they become, the more unelectable they will become. The in flux of poetnially left-leanbing Latin-American immigrants then will need to flush into Republican states first in order to to take electoral college counts over there. So, this weired and distorting system may delay the taking over of the US by the left - preventing it endlessly it will not, demographics are brutal in their message here.
Wether one likes the system delaying it, or not, depends on where one stands. The alternative to the Democrats is as desastrous and as unvotable. And the system itself nevertheless turns a transparent process into a fraudulent, rigged thing. Some may not care for that as long as it produces the outcomes they want. But I warn of that: because it is embracing arbitrary justice then. We alreadsy see where this leads, with the mad king in the high castle openly propagating double standards, fraud, and cheating.
A house divided and drowing in feud, will not stand.
Mr Quatro
11-22-20, 08:25 PM
I bet Putin knows something, uh?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-says-he-s-not-ready-to-recognize-biden-as-u-s-president/ar-BB1bfEJX?fbclid=IwAR3V8gJauX-JKrHobGm5php47Jp7CdR4hnCrDWiC6s_u8d0it23plWxV2-0&ocid=BingNews
Putin said
“We will work with anyone who has the confidence of the American people,” Putin said on Russian state TV Sunday. “But that confidence can only be given to a candidate whose victory has been recognized by the opposing party, or after the results are confirmed in a legitimate, legal way.”
Trump referred to the Proud Boys, for example, who claim sometimes to be a milita. They are not, they are armed rightwing extremists and supremacists.
Whose president is a black man. Whose membership is multi ethnic. Again you don't know what you are talking about.
Catfish
11-23-20, 02:44 AM
I bet Putin knows something, uh? [...]
Putin said:
“We will work with anyone who has the confidence of the American people,” Putin said on Russian state TV Sunday. “But that confidence can only be given to a candidate whose victory has been recognized by the opposing party, or after the results are confirmed in a legitimate, legal way.”
Yes, he "knows something" for sure, e.g. how to spread diversion and desinformation. He is not as dumb as certain western "leaders".
And with what is going on with the US/Trump and Brexit, he has my full understanding and sympathy.
Skybird
11-23-20, 05:25 AM
Yes, he "knows something" for sure, e.g. how to spread diversion and desinformation. He is not as dumb as certain western "leaders".
And with what is going on with the US/Trump and Brexit, he has my full understanding and sympathy.
Ooooh! So I am not so lonely anymore, yes?
:D
Jimbuna
11-23-20, 07:41 AM
I bet Putin knows something, uh?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-says-he-s-not-ready-to-recognize-biden-as-u-s-president/ar-BB1bfEJX?fbclid=IwAR3V8gJauX-JKrHobGm5php47Jp7CdR4hnCrDWiC6s_u8d0it23plWxV2-0&ocid=BingNews
Putin said
“We will work with anyone who has the confidence of the American people,” Putin said on Russian state TV Sunday. “But that confidence can only be given to a candidate whose victory has been recognized by the opposing party, or after the results are confirmed in a legitimate, legal way.”
That's rich coming from someone with Putins electoral history.
Jimbuna
11-23-20, 07:48 AM
A prominent ally of Donald Trump has urged him to drop his efforts to overturn his loss to Joe Biden in the US presidential election.
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie called the president's legal team a "national embarrassment".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55038777
The latest defector but surely more will follow as time goes on.
Onkel Neal
11-23-20, 09:19 AM
That's rich coming from someone with Putins electoral history.
No kidding, :Kaleun_Applaud:
Catfish
11-23-20, 03:03 PM
Ooooh! So I am not so lonely anymore, yes?
:D
Don't wait for a proposal :O:
Onkel Neal
11-23-20, 04:53 PM
Man, I'm catching a lot of shirt again for calling covid the Wuhan virus. When did people get so sensitive? :k_confused:
Buddahaid
11-23-20, 04:59 PM
When the boomers had kids and raised them.
Buddahaid
11-23-20, 05:26 PM
Michigan certifies the vote in Biden's favor. Trump is too far out on that branch to turn around now. Time to be an adult.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55052640
Onkel Neal
11-23-20, 06:19 PM
Yeah, even Rush was saying if the Trump team doesn't have bombshell evidence, what do they think is going to happen.
Rockstar
11-23-20, 06:43 PM
Man, I'm catching a lot of shirt again for calling covid the Wuhan virus. When did people get so sensitive? :k_confused:
This may be one reason.
Beijing-Controlled News Outlet Paid US Newspapers Millions To Publish Propaganda This Year
https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/22/china-daily-propaganda-wall-street-journal/
Buddahaid
11-23-20, 09:34 PM
Things may be becoming clear.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55052640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIVfbylUU-M
Onkel Neal
11-23-20, 10:30 PM
Yeah, if the news is accurate, they are saying Trump has authorized the transition to begin.
Mr Quatro
11-23-20, 11:21 PM
authorized the commie take over of our country :D
Buddahaid
11-23-20, 11:52 PM
authorized the commie take over of our country :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3HCtqPUm4
Censorship is great.Sometimes it will save you from yourself. What i find more prevalent is that if an individual is not part of the academic world . The best thing to do is shut them out. Then you don't have to put up with anyone that's not on your established brain levels.So no participation for them. This is prevalent in our local Dog Park's. I have spent my life in the construction industry and i can assure you my skill's are not based on language, spelling or how structure a sentence . Tho i can't escape a written report it must be made. So all i ask on this forum is let me learn. And if i have to take a punch on the nose and eat the crow then so be it. If i can't say what i have on my mind within reason i'll crash dive and go silent running. Wishing everyone the best Holiday's and see ya next year. End Transmission :salute:
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Jimbuna
11-24-20, 07:57 AM
Hopefully this signals Trump coming to his senses and accepting reality.
Catfish
11-24-20, 12:03 PM
I wonder when Poland's Pis party and Putin congratulate Biden.
Not to do it was a definitive message.. question is how to answer. Properly :03:
VipertheSniper
11-24-20, 01:39 PM
Hopefully this signals Trump coming to his senses and accepting reality.
I'm more worried about his more extreme followers not coming to theirs
In three month from now the name of US President will be Joe Biden.
Trump will be seen as a hiccup in US history of politics
People who used every waken hours to criticize Trump, will begin to seek professional help from psychiatrist and psychologist.
The meaning of their life is no more.
Markus
em2nought
11-24-20, 02:23 PM
Trump will be seen as a hiccup in US history of politics
Markus
Trump 2024: The gloves come off this time! :up:
Trump 2024: The gloves come off this time! :up:
One thing is for sure.
If Biden and his successors neglect some of the major problems in your society
American those who had been forgotten by Biden and his successors may chose a president like Trump or worse. as a desperate steps.
Markus
Onkel Neal
11-24-20, 02:58 PM
Trump 2024: The gloves come off this time! :up:
No please
Bilge_Rat
11-24-20, 03:15 PM
I'm more worried about his more extreme followers not coming to theirs
The election is over, everyone will move on.
The Crazies won't, but they never do and there are Crazies in both parties.
Bilge_Rat
11-24-20, 03:17 PM
Trump won't run in 2024, he will tease everyone until then though.
Watch Ted Cruz, as soon as he shaves, you know he is running for President. :ping:
For 2024, I like both Cruz and Cotton, time for new blood!
em2nought
11-24-20, 05:03 PM
No please
What fun is it gonna be without mainstream media mouthpieces having mental meltdowns and crying on camera anymore. :D
Jimbuna
11-25-20, 08:23 AM
US President-elect Joe Biden says the White House has so far been "sincere" in helping his transition to power.
"It has not been begrudging so far, and I don't expect it to be," he told NBC News in an interview.
He spoke as he unveiled his choice of top officials for when he takes over from Donald Trump in January.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55068277
I wonder if this brings Trump a step closer to concede the election result? :hmmm:
Catfish
11-25-20, 08:29 AM
^ Never. Trump will have a four-year meltdown and keep on saying he won, and the "He can still win" will be the #1 party joke :D
Mr Quatro
11-25-20, 08:58 AM
Perhaps Trump will still win the electoral college vote if it is in a red state and the governor agrees that the electoral college members can vote for whoever they want to (if it's not against the law) Some states passed a law four years ago that you have to vote the way the people do, but even if that happens it would take 39 less electoral college votes to put Biden below the 270 votes needed.
A mis-trial election by the SC could also put the voting rights into the hands of congress/senate with one vote per state and the red states win.
Long shots true, but if the cheating and vote stealing can be proved enough it goes to the SC ... who can only rule on the law the way it is written. They can't change the laws, meaning that if an electoral voter wants to go rouge he or she can do so if it's not against the law in that state.
So wait and see this election is not over yet and I for one don't like the way things are shaping up for a Biden administration especially John Kerry U.S. senator and his party’s 2004 presidential nominee. Pro green deal for sure which will cost more than it is worth.
I have to go have my coffee now :D
u crank
11-25-20, 09:03 AM
^ Never. Trump will have a four-year meltdown and keep on saying he won, and the "He can still win" will be the #1 party joke :D
Sounds vaguely familiar. Didn't a couple of women say that first?
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:D
Buddahaid
11-25-20, 09:07 AM
So far the cheating and vote stealing claim has gone nowhere, and will go nowhere.
u crank
11-25-20, 09:25 AM
Perhaps Trump will still win the electoral college vote if it is in a red state and the governor agrees that the electoral college members can vote for whoever they want to (if it's not against the law)
They can't change the laws, meaning that if an electoral voter wants to go rouge he or she can do so if it's not against the law in that state.
It may not be but I doubt that it would happen. And if it did it would almost certainly cause a Constitutional crisis. I doubt that Trump would want to be associated with that.
So wait and see this election is not over yet ...
I think it is all but done. Joe Biden will be President. And he is already on track to make all the same mistakes that his former boss, Obama made. That will likely result in chaos in the Middle East, a stronger Russia and China and a weaker US economy. And since strategic thinking is not one of Joe's strong points, a blood bath for Democrats in the 2022 mid terms and a Republican president in 2024.
I say let the children play. :up:
Mr Quatro
11-25-20, 10:23 AM
Seed thought: What if the run off for two senators in Georgia turns to the left in favor of the democrats?
They would then with President elect Biden and VP elect Harris and the majority rule of the US Congress ... they would now own the US Senate by two more votes (with two independents to swing any votes) and of course any tie would be decided by the VP which in this case is VP elect Harris.
So here's the seed thought what if ex-president Obama moved to Massachusetts for a reason. It's now quite clear that he won't be the SOS that goes to John Kerry ... so what's left?
How about the congress/senate change the rules of who can be the POTUS for more than two terms?
Biden has already said that he only wants to serve for one term and many think that he will give up the WH sooner to VP Harris.
Yes folks we face another delimana with Obama coming back for a third term :o
Seed thought: What if the run off for two senators in Georgia turns to the left in favor of the democrats?
They would then with President elect Biden and VP elect Harris and the majority rule of the US Congress ... they would now own the US Senate by two more votes (with two independents to swing any votes) and of course any tie would be decided by the VP which in this case is VP elect Harris.
So here's the seed thought what if ex-president Obama moved to Massachusetts for a reason. It's now quite clear that he won't be the SOS that goes to John Kerry ... so what's left?
How about the congress/senate change the rules of who can be the POTUS for more than two terms?
Biden has already said that he only wants to serve for one term and many think that he will give up the WH sooner to VP Harris.
Yes folks we face another delimana with Obama coming back for a third term :o
See the 27th Amendment to the US Constitution. Obama is constitutionally prohibited from a third term. The Senate cannot change that on it's own.
Mr Quatro
11-25-20, 10:38 AM
See the 27th Amendment to the US Constitution. Obama is constitutionally prohibited from a third term. The Senate cannot change that on it's own.
Well excuse me for not being smarter than you are :oops:
Then who can change the rules?
Rockstar
11-25-20, 10:51 AM
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Then who can change the rules?
Article V of the United States Constitution outlines basic procedures for constitutional amendment.
More than 80 million votes and counting.
For me it indicate that a majority of those American who voted have sent a clear message to Trump.
Markus
Mr Quatro
11-25-20, 11:00 AM
More than 80 million votes and counting.
For me it indicate that a majority of those American who voted have sent a clear message to Trump.
Markus
The Jews did it :D
Skybird
11-25-20, 11:05 AM
So far the cheating and vote stealing claim has gone nowhere, and will go nowhere.
I know what you mean and I wuld love to agree, but I cannt. The like will keep stricking on people's minds, thats the purposoe of endlessly repeating it. Its like an echo that rolls on and on and on and on.
Why it matters? Letst wait some time, and at the next elections at the latest we will see why it matters very much.
Meanwhile I read that Trump investigates options of presidentially pardoning himself. No joke. It seems somebody is very concerned about the time when he will have lost legal immunity. Its nto about his actions as presidnet, but the time before, when bhe bacme prosident, he had 500 open legal claims against him and was fighting court battles on many fronts over his fraudulent business practices, and illegally paying hush money. His daughter and her husband also are reported to start getting nervous over their own fates.
Rockstar
11-25-20, 11:18 AM
pardon: [verb] to absolve from the consequences of a fault or crime. to allow (an offense) to pass without punishment. The granting of a pardon to a person who has committed a crime or who has been convicted of a crime is an act of clemency, which forgives the wrongdoer and restores the person's Civil Rights.
The thing about all those stories telling Trump pardoning himself makes me wonder what exactly has he been found guilty of to be pardoned in the first place? Just wondering if anyone has looked into that yet. Keep in mind too impeachment is not a criminal charge.
So I ask what is he supposed to absolving himself of?
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