US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Rockstar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung




Straight to the nazis again I see. :haha: Over here we can voice concerns we can protest and we can shout, display signs and have a good ol time during elections talkin' smack about each other. We've been around for over two hundred years and we have yet to behave like Germans sending protestors to the gas chambers or work or starve people to death if they disagree.


It's a meme created by some unknown person who posted it on imgur and now appears to hitting the echo chambers. What happened on the highway is that nobody stopped the bus. Nobody told the Biden camp to turn around. And contrary to the meme the report of them cancelling the rally on account of what happened on the highway hasn't been confirmed.

Instead what I've found on local news is the Biden bus made several stops but absolutely no Biden supporters were around. Nobody there but the usual few pro-Trump supporters with signs and slogans heckling the Biden campaign. So I think there may be another story here. With no Biden supporters around to begin with they cancelled and blamed it on the deplorables.

[Skybird]

I recall a principle of communicating, where the one talks and the other listens, and then the roles change and its the other way around. Established as "speech - copunter-speech" since the ancient Greeks. Its also what defines debate.

Instead, now there is just mud-throwing, yelling, lying, bullying, offending and hindering the other to even get heard, crashing his fixtures for speeches, mobbing him out of the room, hindering his freedom of travel/movement to the destination, and there is

Its primary purposes were providing protection for [...] rallies and assemblies; disrupting the meetings of opposing partiesA rumble pit. A mudthrowing and bullying and yelling competition. A shouting mob. Primitive cavemen swinging clubs.

And you find it alright.

Well, each to its liking.

I despise it.

[Rockstar]

I recall a principle of communicating, where the one talks and the other listens, and then the roles change and its the other way around. Established as "speech - copunter-speech" since the ancient Greeks. Its also what defines debate.

Instead, now there is just mud-throwing, yelling, lying, bullying, offending and hindering the other to even get heard, crashing his fixtures for speeches, mobbing him out of the room, hindering his freedom of travel/movement to the destination, and there is

A rumble pit. A mudthrowing and bullying and yelling competition. A shouting mob. Primitive cavemen swinging clubs.

And you find it alright.

Well, each to its liking.

I despise it.


For better or for worse it has always been a part of American politics from its founding. And frankly if you look at our history you'll see its even gotten a helluva lot better and much more civilized since then too.



A rumble pit. A mud throwing and bullying and yelling competition. A shouting mob. Primitive cavemen swinging clubs. All of those things you find so disheartening and despise, I do too. But like I said: things like that have been going on here for over 240 years. However our armies aren't goosestepping through our cities, nobody is sent to forced labor camps or gas chambers. Furthermore I can attest that what you read about and see on the internet is not at all representative of the majority of the voting public, not even close. The vast majority of us just get on about our daily lives. Reading the same sensational headline and just like you, wondering what the hell? The internet has gotten very good at getting our attention and we just cant seem to turn it off.

Technology steers what 2 billion people are thinking and believing every day. It's possibly the largest source of influence over 2 billion people's thoughts that has ever been created. Religions and governments don't have that much influence over people's daily thoughts. - Tristan Harris


Magicians start by looking for blind spots, edges, vulnerabilities and limits of people's perception, so they can influence what people do without them even realizing it. Once you know how to push people's buttons, you can play them like a piano. - Tristan Harris

[Jimbuna]

I've absolutely little to no idea but this is the BBC's effort on assessing who leads in the run up to the presidential election.

US election 2020 polls: Who is ahead - Trump or Biden?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-53657174

[Catfish]

We saw how exact polls are.. it will be turned to a Trump win, i bet.

@Rockstar t'was a good explanation, we here aren't just used to it.. our politicians here prefer to act in a more civilised (read: backstabbing) fashion :03:

But this is a bit gross: Trump and Pence trying to purge certain people from the voting lists, from blackmailing to direct assault. I cannot imagine that this is usual or normal since those 240 years in the US?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/magazine/trump-voter-fraud.html

[Skybird]

Using mobbing to prevent the other from speaking at all, trying to get back to those conditions back then that the Sturmabteilung caused and protected, is no part of civilsed po, itical culture. And it has terribly detoriated under Trump who encourages these SA methods.



BTW, no other country has started so many military attacks on others, than the U S. And most of these wars were in support of dictatorial regimes and nondemocratic tyrannies. ;) Several times it were democratically elect ed governments that were to be toppled.


If its green, jumps, and squawks, I take it as a frog. To me the city on the hill is not just shiny and glorious. And much less so after the past four years. Nobody in america can expect that after affording Trump for four years, the world would not alter its stand towards and view of America. The damags is done, and it will be part of how the US are being seen from nkw on.

[Rockstar]

BTW, no other country has started so many military attacks on others, than the U S. And most of these wars were in support of dictatorial regimes and nondemocratic tyrannies. ;) Several times it were democratically elect ed governments that were to be toppled.

No doubt, I brought this up before about how expansive our military reach has gotten around the world. But it wasn't a headline so it got no traction here. Even how this president ran on bringing troops home from the middle but the subject gets buried. Instead the headlines are about the color of his hair and other accusations. Everyday we pump billions upon billions into these operations and bases, hell I read somewhere our armed forces burn through more oil in a day than Sweden does in a year. How much better how much better would it be in our own country if those billions went into our infrastructure, quality of life etc etc. Only then could we honestly say we are the most prosperous nation on earth

Most people dont have a clue though. Instead whats of the highest importance these days is getting likes and commenting on cartoons and trivial political headlines that's spoon fed to them everyday.
https://theintercept.com/2018/12/01/u-s-military-says-it-has-a-light-footprint-in-africa-these-documents-show-a-vast-network-of-bases/


we are Borg




SA MethodsNow now Skybird. remember what I said. This has been going on for over 240 years. So I hate to say it but the SA got the idea from us. ;) They just took it to new levels. lol

[Skybird]

Since 240 years? Well, i have not experienced a campaign like this before, and an administration like this before, and I am around since 53 years, caring for politics since lets say 30 years. They always have played foul, and the Republican are responisble for more of the real serious scandals and treasons a- but never has the foul smeel in the air as stining as it is now. One needs to stay focussed in order to not suffer a black out. And that is Trump'S fault and credit.



I do not let you off this hook so easily. By relativising Trump'' ways you render him harmless and and gloss over the desastrous degradation he has added to political culture. I said before that I see him as not the cause, but the symptom of a longer process of degradation and erosion of culture, but a symptom that feeds back on the process nevertheless and has devastantingly accelerated it. That makes him a catalyst of cultural destruction.


And I give a strict word of warning there, meaning it absolutely serious and not one bit exaggerated: if Americans do not carfefully watch out now, they run a very high risk to end up in a totalitarian , suppressive police state where Trump et.al,-loyal elites (the Trumpian generaiton coming after this one) and followers protect themselves both from perception of reality and disagreeing people by the use of state violence and oppression. The rifts are deep already, the polarization is extreme already, the trenches grow wider and wider every week. This America today is not be to recognised anymore in the idealistic writings of the generation of founding fathers. Its a completely different, alien world. I see America doing a sleepwalking currently. It compares to the inabiltiy of people in Austria to imagien that the good high times of their oresent just before WWII could ever come to an end. Stefna Zweig describes this perfectly in his wodnerful book The World Of Yesterday:Memoires of a European. I cannto ist how often I got rmeinde dof it during the last months and years when looking at america. Sleepwalking - that is what civil America does. Austrians hummed and dreamed in their sleep. Americans kick and yell in their sleep. But it is sleepwalking nevertheless.



In this way I mean it when saying: the US is dead and a thing of the past. And it will not come back.


The widneign socail gap between haves and havenots will do their art, inevitably, to bring the powerderkeg into a very unwanted state.



Mind you, I do not mean to lecture this from a self-claimed position of European superiorty, what I think of European superiority shoud be clear when you read my comments on Europe and Germanyand the EU on other occasions, I ooze with derision and mockery. Also, just a few postings above I linked that essay by Rahim Taghizadegan, who also warned about seeing the US from a position of self-proclaimed but unjustified European ( moral) superiority. We do have problems enough all by oursleves for sure, yes. But ours affect the uS to a much lesser degree than the Us problems affect us, wether we want that or not. Thats where the huge global interets in the Americna elections comes from. And it can only get worse. After Trump, the next Republican most likely will represent the angry WASP faction again and thus beign a crazy dog like Trump or Palin. I do not see a reaosnable condidate coming from any of the two parties, and the Democrats will turn more and more openly Latin-american socialist, opting for the European desease that way. Both way are no alternatives.



Death by bullet, poison or gallow. Choose your poison. Its a free place.

[Rockstar]

We saw how exact polls are.. it will be turned to a Trump win, i bet.

@Rockstar t'was a good explanation, we here aren't just used to it.. our politicians here prefer to act in a more civilised (read: backstabbing) fashion :03:

But this is a bit gross: Trump and Pence trying to purge certain people from the voting lists, from blackmailing to direct assault. I cannot imagine that this is usual or normal since those 240 years in the US?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/magazine/trump-voter-fraud.html




There may be a few around who take the article as gospel. But people I associate with know each state is responsible how elections are conducted and how the votes in their state are counted. Presidents and their V.P. have absolutely nothing to do with the process.



Many years ago I registered to vote in Florida. I didnt realize it at the time but the state would send letters that I had to reply too which confirmed my residency. I missed it and was not allowed to vote. I didn't think for a moment I could accuse anyone other than myself of voter suppression. I'm going make some coffee now and read a book.

[Skybird]

There may be a few around who take the article as gospel. But people I associate with know each state is responsible how elections are conducted and how the votes in their state are counted. Presidents and their V.P. have absolutely nothing to do with the process.
That is naive. You know as well as I do that Trump repeatedly has totally refused to stay away from challenging a defeat, and he can do that by having his minions fiulign lawsuits, delaying processes beysind time limits, and causing a,cimate of public threat and unrest until conflict fears additonally interfere with the whole proc ess. It has been done in the past as wel already, but Trump will bring it to new heights. Trump has very many options to motivate and delay and even turn around voting results. And you know that. You just opportunistically play the paper-and-ink paragraph-riding Nazi and give the impression that everything will be "law and order". Well, we know something about law and order over here. Can work terribly wrong. And politicians at the top of the food chain can order things and communicate their demands and wishes without formally putting it in words and giving a written command for which thy could be held acountable. Again, Trump repeatedly refused to confirm to no play foul. And he will play foul, because that is him and that is what he has done all his life. Only a very, very high and clear defeat in counts may prevent that, a margin so huge that al hope is lost. But there is a chance that that will motivate his sick mind even more to question the legality of the counting process, since the lead is so big. He said that any voting result not seeing him as victor necessarily must have been reached by fraud. And that says all that is to say about this. Thats any dicators logic who gets electe din his country with a 99% majoprity. Happened a lot in the GDR. Happenbs a lot in North Korea. Happens in Belarus. Russia, Cina. Elecitosn and 99+ percent majorities for the rulers.


Many years ago I registered to vote in Florida. I didnt realize it at the time but the state would send letters that I had to reply too which confirmed my residency. I missed it and was not allowed to vote. I didn't think for a moment I could accuse anyone other than myself of voter suppression. I'm going make some coffee now and read a book.Well, the election system in the US is -sorry, a terribly bad joke. And highly susceptible for manipulation, especially by gendermarrying and regional partisan law interpretation. I think it has been designed to maximise the options to rigg elections. Over here I know nobody woo takes it serious.

Our own system is not perfect either, we have a big problem with an ever growing parliament due to it (second biggest parliamet in the world! Only the Chinese people's congress is bigger). But yours is much, much worse, mjch owed to the "winner.-takes-.it-all principle" and the electorate college, which is election rigging, plain and simple. Anmd heck, I am not the only one saying that, many people in America itself agree with that.

The ideal should be:

1. one man one vote
2. no net takers only net givers are allowed to vote
3. The system/territory/context that to manage and to administer is to be voted on, shall not be bigger than what every voter can overlook, can have a transparent idea of, can see how his actions affects all others and how the others' actions affect him.

4. Number of terms possible to serve offices or mandates sholuld be reduced to two. No politics as a lifetime job. No career politicians.

5. Polticla oarty shoudk be forbidden and banned. All of them, no matter the worldview and ideology. No block building. No party power interestes. No parties weighing their craving for power as more importan tthat the common good.

Precondition for this: informed, reasonable, competent voters whose ratio reigns over their habits. Rare species, almost impossible to find.

Lobbyism should be labelled as corruption and conspiracy against the state and the common good, be made a capital crime and to be punished by capital punishement. there shall be very severe lkmitations to represenatitives'S legal immunity over their deicisons, and instead impelemntaiton of what is valid rule and law for every ordnary citizen: individual liability for one'S own deeds, actions and deicisons, to be enforced by accessing porivate property and wealth for damage compensation.

See how short the list of names would become in no time who crave to enter political careers then!


I am closer to the ancient Greek ideas of "democracy" there. What we have today, is close to the ancient Greek idea of "tyrannis".

[August]

The last time the world listened to a German 85 million people died. Keep your advice Skybird. We don't need it.

[Rockstar]

We saw how exact polls are.. it will be turned to a Trump win, i bet.






Its a possibility. As a WSJ opinion piece stated "The mainstream media and other authority figures have openly and aggressively contended that Mr. Trump is a white supremacist, a would-be dictator, a cretinous buffoon and an inveterate liar". This could cause a backlash with enough people to give him a second term.



However in my book neither is a good reason to cast a vote for or against a candidate.

[Skybird]

https://www.axios.com/trump-claim-election-victory-ballots-97eb12b9-5e35-402f-9ea3-0ccfb47f613f.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100



President Trump has told confidants he'll declare victory on Tuesday night if it looks like he's "ahead," according to three sources familiar with his private comments.


That's even if the Electoral College outcome still hinges on large numbers of uncounted votes in key states like Pennsylvania.

Behind the scenes: Trump has privately talked through this scenario in some detail in the last few weeks, describing plans to walk up to a podium on election night and declare he has won.


For this to happen, his allies expect he would need to either win or have commanding leads in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, Iowa, Arizona and Georgia.

Why it matters: Trump's team is preparing to falsely claim that mail-in ballots counted after Nov. 3 — a legitimate count expected to favor Democrats — are evidence of election fraud.


Details: Many prognosticators say that on election night, Trump will likely appear ahead in Pennsylvania — though the state's final outcome could change substantially as mail-in ballots are counted over the following days.


Trump's team is preparing to claim baselessly that if that process changes the outcome in Pennsylvania from the picture on election night, then Democrats would have "stolen" the election.
Trump's advisers have been laying the groundwork for this strategy for weeks, but this is the first account of Trump explicitly discussing his election night intentions.

What they're saying: Asked for comment, the Trump campaign's communications director Tim Murtaugh said, "This is nothing but people trying to create doubt about a Trump victory. When he wins, he's going to say so."


Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller predicted that Trump "will be re-elected handily and no amount of post-election Democratic thievery will be able to change the results."

Reality check: Mail-in ballots counted after Election Day as set forth in state-by-state rules are as legitimate as in-person votes recorded on Nov. 3.


Many states won't be done counting mail ballots by Tuesday night.
In Pennsylvania, state law prevents election officials from counting mail-in ballots before Election Day.
Night-of counts may be deceptive. It could be days, if not weeks, before we know who won Pennsylvania. If it's a close race, this could also be true for other states, given the record numbers of Americans who voted by mail this year.
Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar said on NBC's "Meet the Press" today that there could be 10x as many (https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-nov-01-2020-n1245687) mail ballots this year than in 2016, "so, yes, it will take longer" to count.
"I expect that the overwhelming majority of ballots in Pennsylvania, that's mail-in and absentee ballots, as well as in-person ballots, will be counted within a matter of days," Boockvar said.

[mapuc]

Each of us has the right to speak what ones heart is filled with
None has the right to point fingers, because they disagree or say it's fake
The question is:
Who of us know the real truth

Secondly
There's a program on CNN called Reliable sources-Knowing CNN isn't exactly Trump friendly How trustworthy is this Reliable sources ?

Markus

[Gerald]

In my eyes, CNN is not to be trusted, a constellation of left-wing feminists. Sure, there are some news anchors who have gone the hard school that deserve respect.

[Skybird]

For foreigners and when consideirng the major news formats, Fox is the most hateful, CNN also is biased but from the other end of the spectrum (biased but in no way as hate dripping and malicously misleading as Fox). ABC and CBS I have too little experience with and cannot comment on them. NBC to me is, of all the major broadcasters that I happen to know, the one with the still most neutral, professional attitude and orientation. Not saying they are neutral or objective, but more so than Fox or the others I mentioned.


Fox is the worst of the worst, and does not deserve to be considered a news source. Its agitation and propaganda form A zo Z, destructive, manipulative, and always appealing to the lowest instincts in its target audience. A pure "Kampfsender", and difefrent to for exmaple the yellow poress it doe snot do so to raise its publsoihing numbers and audience but it takes political sides and then serves its master. Compares to the role "Der Stürmer" had in the third Reich. Unforgivable. An abuse.

[Catfish]

"Before Fox News was created, its owner, Rupert Murdoch, had been „at odds“ with CNN’s founder Ted Turner for years. He wanted to beat and discredit CNN. So, in a way, Fox News was forged out of enmity for CNN."

Hard to swallow that most common sense is now defined as being "left", don't you think so?

https://www.businessinsider.de/bi/fox-news-cnn-change-evolution-2010-2019-11/?r=US&IR=T

"Would you watch an old guy talk rationally about a topic? Bet you’d rather watch two hot chicks who are smart and who disagree yell at each other"
Perfect description of Fox.

[Skybird]

I recognised CNN is not as destructive a lefty version of Fox, didn'T I, but they have a very politically correct, left-leaning agenda. Still much better than so many others, yes.


I would compare CNN to a mix of FR, SZ and Der Spiegel, and CBS to a mix of FAZ, Focus and Die Welt, regarding political bias. Fox is, well, Fox. Der Stürmer. So acid and negative that 20th Century Studios has deleted "Fox" from its classical studio name to not damage its commercial interests by the association of names.

[Gerald]

I agree that Fox is pure rubbish ... for its own strengths and useful employees without their own motives and wills. PK warning just like mainstream media.

[u crank]

There's a program on CNN called Reliable sources-Knowing CNN isn't exactly Trump friendly How trustworthy is this Reliable sources ?



Fox is the worst of the worst, and does not deserve to be considered a news source.

I agree that Fox is pure rubbish ...

For almost three years CNN ran with the 'Russia collusion' story. They wanted it to be true and their coverage was Democrat propaganda. But it wasn't true.

Can you name a single instance where Fox News was that spectacularly wrong and for that length of time?

[Skybird]

For almost three years CNN ran with the 'Russia collusion' story. They wanted it to be true and their coverage was Democrat propaganda. But it wasn't true.

You talk pro Trump propaganda once again. Your claim is not what the Mueller report said and concluded. Its just what Trump'S loyal man Barr made of it, causing an angry Mueller to openly object to Barrs wrong summaryand correcting him on what he really had said.


But go on, white-wash it.

[u crank]

You talk pro Trump propaganda once again. Your claim is not what the Mueller report said and concluded. Its just what Trump'S loyal man Barr made of it, causing an angry Mueller to openly object to Barrs wrong summaryand correcting him on what he really had said.


But go on, white-wash it.

And you talk anti Trump propaganda. Again. Please then tell us then exactly what were Mr. Mueller's conclusions and how exactly were they different from AG Barr's. Did Mr. Barr change any of the words in Mr. Mueller's report and if he did which ones were they?

[Skybird]

It has all been said and published, got repported, got covered. If you forgot all that already, or pretend to be surprised by it, then do the work yourself if you slept back in the days and missed the story. It was on TV for days and weeks, and in the media.



You try to distract. You try to lead us into another loop that leads nowhere, and you act as if it were new and was never said. But it has been said. So. Many Times. Its not new. Its not original. We have been there. All and everybody has been there. Mueller. Barr. Google. Your job.

[u crank]

It has all been said and published, got repported, got covered. If you forgot all that already, or pretend to be surprised by it, then do the work yourself if you slept back in the days and missed the story. It was on TV for days and weeks, and in the media.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice. It did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government.

Those are the facts. If you wish to dispute those facts let's hear it. I don't want to hear your opinion. Just facts. Do you have any?

[Gerald]

For almost three years CNN ran with the 'Russia collusion' story. They wanted it to be true and their coverage was Democrat propaganda. But it wasn't true.

Can you name a single instance where Fox News was that spectacularly wrong and for that length of time?Not on a straight arm right now at the minute. But of course I have linked news to SubSim ... certainly quite a long time ago. I know 'Russia collusion' for completely different reasons, mainly through work. The story is known and it goes back at least 5+ years. It should be mentioned that Markus mentioned in a post about credibility in news sources and this is the basis for different views on the media. However, I have no problem discussing individual events like the one you mention here, just so we know it's about apples and oranges.

[Gorpet]

Not on a straight arm right now at the minute. But of course I have linked news to SubSim ... certainly quite a long time ago. I know 'Russia collusion' for completely different reasons, mainly through work. The story is known and it goes back at least 5+ years. It should be mentioned that Markus mentioned in a post about credibility in news sources and this is the basis for different views on the media. However, I have no problem discussing individual events like the one you mention here, just so we know it's about apples and oranges.

The story is known and it goes back at least 5+ years. Does this mean the DNC and Hillary Clinton were part of this collusion? To Please extrapolate, what did you know and when did you know it? What what type of work were you involved in at that time? Just being inquisitive. End transmission.

[Gerald]

When you ask the question, it indicates knowledge that I may not be able to contribute, but that you know well about. There is a lot of information about this on Clearnet. About various interventions "conspiracy theories" and so on, much that you know is well documented and archived. Those who are interested in knowing, also find answers, it's all about how the person searches and which keywords are used. But you already know all this.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/CIq8ysLhiN/us-election


Three lines stuck on my mind, one for Biden, one for Trump, one against both (but this was just by chance, I noticed it afterwards):


"He is reading the constitution as 'Me, the president' " instead of 'We, the people' ".


"When Jacky received her ballot, she wrote in her candidate of choice: General Strike."


"Most business owners I know are not gping to support rioters and looters.(...) We know how hard it is to get there."

[u crank]

And this guy could be President.

Among the more amazing revelations in the Biden corruption scandal that the media-Democrat complex is blocking voters from seeing is this: The corrupt Chinese businessmen with whom the Bidens were colluding not only had a record of buying political influence, not only were known to have high-level ties to the Chinese Communist Party and the regime, but also were clandestine agents of China — at least, that’s what the FBI and Justice Department seem to have told the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/a-collusion-tale-the-bidens-and-china/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

For over three years, the American people were barraged with a media-Democrat drumbeat, fueled by anonymous intelligence agency leaks but based on no actual evidence, that Donald Trump had “colluded” in the intelligence operations of a hostile foreign power. Journalists and investigators scorched the earth searching for proof, particularly any financial exchanges between Trump associates and shady Russian characters tied to the Kremlin. They came up empty.

Next Tuesday, the media-Democrat complex would have the American people elect as their president Joe Biden who, based on significant evidence, appears to have been ensnared in his family’s energetic collusion with clandestine operatives of a hostile foreign power. And there is no doubt that millions of dollars were exchanged, going to the Biden family from shady Chinese characters with significant ties to the Chinese Communist Party and the regime of Xi Jinping.

[skidman]

^You are riding a dead horse. Nobody buys this rubbish.

The Wall Street Journal and Fox News have both reported finding no evidence that former Vice President Joe Biden benefited from the Hunter Biden business dealings that have drawn scrutiny. More explicitly pro-Trump media outlets — OAN, Breitbart, Newsmax — have mostly shied away from publishing fresher, more salacious allegations. And conservative talking heads — pundits, politicians and loud MAGA Twitter personalities alike — have been more focused on the meta narrative around the laptop, arguing that mainstream media, social media companies and the deep state are conspiring to prevent President Donald Trump’s reelection by suppressing the story.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131

Even the president himself has had a hard time citing the convoluted storyline, making arcane references during the last debate, randomly bringing up pieces of the story during his rallies, and referring, frequently, to the “laptop from hell” but not explaining what’s actually on the device.

[u crank]

^You are riding a dead horse. Nobody buys this rubbish.

So according to you the laptop doesn't exist. The laptop was not confiscated by the FBI during an investigation into money laundering. All of the emails contained on it are fake. All of the witnesses that have come forward are lying. The reports from intellegence agencies are fake. Stories previously printed in the NYT about it are innacurate. The FISA surveillance warrant issued to watch people involved with the Bidens doesn't exist. And of course the Chinese are not interested in American politicians and their families.

You are living in a fantasy land of denial.

[Catfish]

AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s errant final pitches on virus, energy

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-pandemics-dbaf877840db860f397921f0aa4f3a51

And after the election, he claims to fire Mr Fauci. Ah.

[Bilge_Rat]

whether the allegations against Biden are true or not does not matter, what matters is the impact on the election.

apparently 72% of all voters including 75% of independents have heard about it.

apparently 53% of all voters including 47% of independents believe it is true that Biden was selling his influence to Ukraine and China.

The news won't sway those who have already made up their mind, but could sway undecided voters which could decide the election.


https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/most-americans-have-heard-biden-family-allegations-more

we will know soon, hopefully tomorrow.

[Gerald]

The winner in the long run will be Kamala Harris as she will succeed Biden who "may" resign due to reasons linked to domestic as well as external relations, and then it can probably be a new political landscape that wants to lean to the left than before , which creates stress in general, especially in countries with fundamental conservative values.

[skidman]

So according to you the laptop doesn't exist.

It exists, but it's Joe Sixpack's laptop. Prove me wrong.

You are living in a fantasy land of denial.

You are falling for alternative facts.

[u crank]

It exists, but it's Joe Sixpack's laptop. Prove me wrong.

Well there's your trouble. I don't have to. Perhaps you could take it up with the FBI. They have it. I'm sure they would be interested in your opinion on the matter.

Meanwhile ...

The FBI opened an investigation into Hunter Biden and associates in 2019 on suspicion of money laundering, a Justice Department official told Sinclair Broadcasting.

The criminal investigation is ongoing, the DOJ official said.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-investigating-hunter-biden-for-money-laundering-report/

The Biden campaign has not denied the veracity of any of the materials revealed by the Post or Bobulinski. However, the campaign has stated that “Joe Biden has never even considered being involved in business with his family, nor in any overseas business whatsoever.”

[mapuc]

I do not questioning whether FBI has Biden's laptop or not.

What I is questioning is-there's leaked papers from this laptop

How trustworthy are they ?

Is there some FBI agent who has leaked some of content on this laptop or is a case of fabricated story ?

Markus

[skidman]

Well there's your trouble. I don't have to.

Me neither. The prosecutor will have to prove the opposite. Statements are not evidence and statements is all we have heard so far. Testimony will be heard in court after the election and nobody will give a damn.

[u crank]

Me neither. The prosecutor will have to prove the opposite. Statements are not evidence and statements is all we have heard so far. Testimony will be heard in court after the election and nobody will give a damn.

Again that depends who wins the election. If Trump wins no one will care. If Biden wins this little affair will dog him for years.

[Catfish]

I take it when Trump loses he will go straight to jail :haha:

[mapuc]

I'm a little confused here.

In some of the News on Swedish tv or CNN they show Biden in front of a huge crowd and a little crowd in front of Trumps rally

Then yesterday and today I saw on Danish news channel the opposite.
Very crowded in front of Trump and little group of people in front of Biden.

What is the truth here.

Is there always lots of people to Trumps meeting/rallies or does it change from a few to many.

Markus

[u crank]

I take it when Trump loses he will go straight to jail :haha:

:D

By that standard Joe and Donnie will be cellmates.:O:

[Rockstar]

I can't help but think of this scene especially colonel Sanders prepare for ludicrous speed announcement when it comes to the lead up and election finale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH7dDzDWyHk

[mapuc]

I can't predict the outcome of the Presidential election in USA I can however predict the outcome of this thread....it's going to explode in numbers of post.

Markus

[Bilge_Rat]

I take it when Trump loses he will go straight to jail :haha:

One thing I can predict with certainty is that if Trump loses, he will not be charged with any crime and all the "investigations" will go away.

You had the same noise in 2008 that George W. Bush would be charged with war crimes and/or torture. We all know where that went.

Last thing Biden wants to do is establish the precedent, which you see in a lot of third world countries, that former Presidents can be prosecuted for what they may have done in office since he would be the next one in line when a future GOP President takes over.

Trump will be allowed to retire where he will make huge amounts of money from speeches, book deals, movie deals, TV deals, etc.

[Rockstar]

....it's going to explode in numbers of post.

Markus

I dont know, it's getting close to christian holidays in Europe. Religious violence will most likely increase and the trolling here will dry up.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I hope that the next 48 to 72 hours won't be like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yDL0AKUCKo

[mapuc]

Earlier today in the news the Danish journalist in USA said:

It's not a question about economy, about racial something(forgot the word)..and some more words
It's a question if the Americans want to give Trump four more years or if they want a new fresh start.

The last sentence in his broadcasting from USA made me wonder.

If Biden wins the election wouldn't it mean classic Democratic politics like you had under Clinton and Obama ?

Markus

[Buddahaid]

It means four more years of the same crap with some names changed. The greatest soap opera of all continues for another run of back stabbing, back room plotting and immoral behavior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp9xJ9PbclE

[Skybird]

Tight race, translates into worst outcome possible. If Biden loses: desaster, im Trump looses, narrow gap will encourage him further to play foul: he already has started, twittering that "they steal the election". What was to be hoped that it would not happen, tight outcome, happens. Will increase divisions and polarization. Terrible.

[Catfish]

I do not think Biden wins, but even if he does it is disheartening to see how much votes Trump gets. Saw a report yesterday, where a US woman in Germany said she voted for Trump because he had done so much for the black people in the US. What else do you need to know.

[Skybird]

Trump says he wants to have the supreme court intervening and prohibiting the further count, because he currently sees himself as having the edge and wants to stop therefore. Exactly the sort of foul play that has been predicted. 3 of the 6 conservatives are Trump people. That the court sees it objectively, is no longer to be taken for granted. Thats why he fought so hard to squeeze his people in until the last minute.

[Jimbuna]

The 'entertainment' is only just beginning.

What a mess and spectacle the world are now being shown.

[Cybermat47]

The 'entertainment' is only just beginning.

What a mess and spectacle the world are now being shown.

Couldn’t agree more. American politics have just been embarrassing to watch since the 2016 presidential race.

[Jimbuna]

Couldn’t agree more. American politics have just been embarrassing to watch since the 2016 presidential race.

I should imagine Russia and China (to name just two) are finding it very amusing.

Not that they're a beacon of democracy.

[August]

Welp it's looking more and more like you foreigners will have another 4 years to complain about Trump. :)

[Catfish]

I guess it will not be the "foreigners" who have the problem.. and if Trump wins the problem is not Trump [insert smily here]

[Skybird]

Too early to call winners and loosers, its still open, but it is tighter than many here expected. In total vote numbers, it seems more people have legitimised Trump already than in 2016, which is discouraging and alarming. And a Democratic party who thinks it is a good idea to set up a very old man showing signs of early senility already and a far left leaning socialist as his copilot who sooner or later takes over, should not complain. That can be said about quite some tries and tactical decisions of theirs in the past 4 years. Too weak, and too unagressive, and ideologically too unacceptable for too many. Race is still open, lets wait and see how it turns out, everythign still is poossible. Trump, as usual, already spreads lies again. Hammering them home again and again do not make them less wrong. But it makes them sticking in people's minds. Thats what the Biden side notoriously underestimated.

[Catfish]

“We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election,” Trump said. “This is a major fraud on our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner. So we’ll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop.” Lol The voting has stopped, it is about the counting. https://i.imgur.com/HVMRekal.jpg He has got the US and all conspiracy folks by the balls.

[Skybird]

In a politically most incorrect way, it might be good for Europe, though not for the EU, if Trump wins, for that would forbid any being tempted to dream of falling back into old patterns of relations that quite some seem to dream of coming back when Biden wins. I think they underestimate the Democrats there. With Biden, manners and style and behaviour would massively improve no doubt, but I think he woul continue America course of shifting America'S focus from Europe to China - a course that was not even started by Trump, but in early stages was already visible under Clinton, and continued unde rbush jr. and Obama. Especially Obama had remarkably little interest in Europe, something that Eruopeans often oversee or just ignore.

[Catfish]

If the EU keeps appeasing Erdoghan, Johnson or the whoever US president it can take back the nobel prize and award itself the Chamberlain appeasement award.

[Skybird]

If the EU keeps appeasing Erdoghan, Johnson or the whoever US president it can take back the nobel prize and award itself the Chamberlain appeasement award.

See, sometimes we can agree on something.

[Jimbuna]

If the EU keeps appeasing Erdoghan, Johnson or the whoever US president it can take back the nobel prize and award itself the Chamberlain appeasement award.

(Laughing smiley)

[Buddahaid]

Boo!

Pretty quiet here.....

[Méo]

Boo!

Pretty quiet here.....

Well I'd be quiet too if all this was happening in my country.:hmmm:

[Onkel Neal]

Well I'd be quiet too if all this was happening in my country.:hmmm:

Haha, so true.

We're still in shock here.

And the drama isn't done....

[mapuc]

I would say the drama takes place over there --->

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Boo!

Pretty quiet here.....

Same here, but it wouldn't take long for one spark to start a fire fight :yep:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstocks/us-gun-sales-surge-to-record-high-in-2020/ar-BB1aF0vY

U.S. gun sales surge to record high in 2020
Kate Gibson 2 days ago

With nearly two months still to go in 2020, sales of firearms have hit a new high in the U.S., already topping the prior record set in 2016, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

The holiday season is expected to lift gun sales even more. November and December are traditionally among the busiest months of the year for selling firearms, the industry trade group noted in an analysis based on data from the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which are viewed as a proxy for sales.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation found that 17.2 million background checks were completed this year, versus 15.7 million in 2016, the previous high-water mark for gun sales.

[Mr Quatro]

Removed due to not being true :oops:

[Rockstar]

Same here, but it wouldn't take long for one spark to start a fire fight :yep:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstocks/us-gun-sales-surge-to-record-high-in-2020/ar-BB1aF0vY

U.S. gun sales surge to record high in 2020
Kate Gibson 2 days ago




Just the other month I bought one. A .45 colt Peacemaker 7.5" barrel cavalry model from Cimarron. Got a quick draw shoulder holster for it. Will pretty much stop anything east of the Mississippi, I wear it when I trek into the National Forests.

[Buddahaid]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123294375_839891280122647_5009022759504308955_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=0jCO5rGQUrgAX_TnE4P&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=f98148173d1f89a5a89838a7841bfa40&oe=5FCCBB33

That is a popular lie.

[Buddahaid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EErY75MXYXI

[Mr Quatro]

That is a popular lie.

Your right! I repent and shall remove it :yep:

[FeatsOfStrength]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhS3lG1KIO8

[August]

Interesting article.



Republicans, not Democrats, emerge as the multi-racial working-class party


By THE WASHINGTON TIMES - - Thursday, November 5, 2020
ANALYSIS/OPINION:

On Election Day, in response to exit poll data coming out of Florida indicating that President Trump had garnered the support of Hispanics and Blacks, Josh Kraushaar, a columnist at National Journal, tweeted, “The path forward for the GOP: multiracial working-class party.” To which Sen. Josh Hawley, Missouri Republican, responded: “Uh, yea.”
Of course, it was not simply the numbers out of Florida that impressed the senator from Missouri. According to the Edison Exit Poll, Mr. Trump has a positive increase from 2016 with every race and gender save — and note the irony — White men. So much for the prevailing and, hoped-for narrative the elite media has been pushing about racism in this administration. It turns out that voters see right through the Democratic National Committee-fed talking points.
Because pundits will try and downplay just how strong of a rebuke to Joe Biden, in particular, and Democratic candidates, in general, this election is turning out to be, it’s more than worth noting that Mr. Trump just won the highest share of the non-White vote of any Republican in the last 60 years. (Feel free to trot out that statistic when the family gathers at the Thanksgiving table.)
But it’s not just the news on the Republican side of the ledger that lends credence to what Mr. Hawley also shared on Twitter, “We are a working class party now. That’s the future.” According to the Center for Responsive Politics, this election, and for the first time in a decade, Wall Street gave more money to Democrats than to Republicans. The organization also reports — astoundingly — that nearly 100% of political contributions from Internet companies went to Democrats. Couple this with the anti-conservative biases manufactured on Madison Avenue and laundered through media outlets around the country, Hollywood’s incessant anti-Trump braying, and the perennial pro-liberal politics in higher education, and one gets the sense of just how captured the Democratic Party is by monied elites.
Americans are loudly signaling their preference for a common-sense conservatism that champions the working- and middle-class, celebrates the shared, noble history of our country and relies on the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution as foundations of wisdom, power and freedom. If the Republican Party can harness the lessons — and the triumphs — of the recent election and carry them forward, the future looks good for a re-defined and re-invigorated party. It bodes well for the country as a whole going forward.





https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/5/editorial-republicans-not-democrats-emerge-as-the-/


All I can say is we'll see. The American middle class needs a party to represent them.

[Buddahaid]

Election just went to Biden.

[Dowly]

About time.


Interesting to see what Trump will do with his remaining time in the office.

[Aktungbby]

Election just went to Biden.One way or 'nuther, the Donald will be Bidin' his time in his Lame-duck Offal Office 'till the inauguration: 1/18/21! probably sabotaging White House office equipment! :Kaleun_Cheers: :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up::Kaleun_Salivating: :Kaleun_Party:

[Catfish]

Problem is there are so many people who still voted for him, after all this blunder. No criticism, Trump is the greatest, or like his spritual advisor said "Trump is god" (can put a link to this anytime). It is not about politics for Trump, it is either follow me, or die - the man is crazy.
But "Trumpism is not dead", so this will be interesting times ahead, with Trump campaigning maybe once more in 2024, or (god forbid) Donald Trump junior.

[August]

Election just went to Biden.


I didn't realize that NBC was the official election decider. Is that part of the new Democrat utopia?

[Jimbuna]

The Trump campaign has indicated their candidate does not plan to concede.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54836636

[Dowly]

I didn't realize that NBC was the official election decider. Is that part of the new Democrat utopia?

The only way Trump could win is if something big happens during recounts, but as it is, he has no chance with only NC and GA not called.

[Buddahaid]

I didn't realize that NBC was the official election decider. Is that part of the new Democrat utopia?

Do I smell sour grapes?

[Rockstar]

About time.


Interesting to see what Trump will do with his remaining time in the office.


Until all legal options are exhausted I think we'll continue to see stories about military intervention, prison, self pardon, dictatorships, refusal to leave office, political coups etc etc. We will see stories about a handful of people or individuals making headlines as if the whole country is on fire etc etc. For me the most amusing and interesting part will be when the stories just fade away like nothing happened, the people forget only to move on to the next headline of fears and controversy as it starts all over again.

[sh3rules]

Fox News posted that it's over, which means it must be true.


/s


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-wins-presidency-trump-fox-news-projects

[Mr Quatro]

Okay this is not meant to be cruel and I certainly don't want the FBI or the Secret Service to come knocking on my door :o

But what if President elect can not perform his duties and is not sworn in on January 20th Inauguration Day?

I will not list the reasons this could happen, but Covid-19 comes to mind :yep:

PS I'm asking for a friend Nancy Pelosi :D

[Aktungbby]

Problem is there are so many people who still voted for him, after all this blunder. No criticism, Trump is the greatest, or like his spritual advisor said "Trump is god" (can put a link to this anytime). It is not about politics for Trump, it is either follow me, or die - the man is crazy.
But "Trumpism is not dead", so this will be interesting times ahead, with Trump campaigning maybe once more in 2024, or (god forbid) Donald Trump junior. A poor man's "Heil der im Siegertrümp!":haha: But what if President elect can not perform his duties and is not sworn in on January 20th Inauguration Day?Then we'll have a crazy California woman 'Madame President' to match our crazy Speaker of the House....ie: 2 democrat vexatious vixens and a woman-filled Supreme Court 2 boot....This has actually been my plan all along...Jus Biden my time!:Kaleun_Salivating::Kaleun_Party: California will finally rule the world!:Kaleun_Salute: :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: :Kaleun_Cheers:...the fires of hell notwithstanding!:arrgh!:

[Dowly]

Fast forward to January

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z9YPawV1vs

[Dowly]

But what if President elect can not perform his duties and is not sworn in on January 20th Inauguration Day?
Harris would become the President

[Rockstar]

Fast forward to January

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z9YPawV1vs




I get it, but like I said after December 14th it will not in the least matter one bit. The headlines will move on to something else and the people will follow when the man comes on the radio and starts tellin' me more and more. About some useless information that's supposed to drive my imagination

I can't get no, oh no, no, no
A hey, hey, hey, that's what I say

I can't get no satisfaction . :03:

[Jimbuna]

Fast forward to January

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z9YPawV1vs

Was gonna post that earlier but I remained cautious of the potential fallout :)

[Aktungbby]

Was gonna post that earlier but I remained cautious of the potential fallout :) That was a Freudian slip; U meant ''the potentate's fallout!!!:O:

[Buddahaid]

I get it, but like I said after December 14th it will not in the least matter one bit. The headlines will move on to something else and the people will follow when the man comes on the radio and starts tellin' me more and more. About some useless information that's supposed to drive my imagination

I can't get no, oh no, no, no
A hey, hey, hey, that's what I say

I can't get no satisfaction . :03:

It will be a focused effort to get Biden impeached but I wonder if the possibility of Harris being president will put a damper on the zeal?

[u crank]

Problem is there are so many people who still voted for him, after all this blunder. No criticism, Trump is the greatest, or like his spritual advisor said "Trump is god" (can put a link to this anytime). It is not about politics for Trump, it is either follow me, or die - the man is crazy.
But "Trumpism is not dead", so this will be interesting times ahead, with Trump campaigning maybe once more in 2024, or (god forbid) Donald Trump junior.

A post like that just begs for this question then. How many people think that Joe Biden is a corrupt, do nothing politician who is showing signs of senility and yet they voted for him anyway?

[u crank]

It will be a focused effort to get Biden impeached but I wonder if the possibility of Harris being president will put a damper on the zeal?

I suspect that there are elements within the Democratic party who would like nothing better than to force Biden out sooner than later. Impeachment, 25th Amendment, wheelchair.:O:

[Catfish]

[...] How many people think that Joe Biden is a corrupt, do nothing politician who is showing signs of senility and yet they voted for him anyway?
"Biden is corrupt" is one of Trump's and minion's accusations, and while it may be true - evidence! We will soon find out.
You sure know Trump's strategy is to lie, lie and lie again, hoping something will stick, and the "enemy" will lose time disclaiming his lies.

Regarding the rest i am sure all know this, but apparently a majority chose the lesser evil.

[Catfish]

"Elections with more than one candidate are always a mess"
Kim Jong Un(?)

[mapuc]

When President Trump arrives at the Oval Office tomorrow, he will discover a letter from the landlord. In this letter, Trump will read following:

Dear tenant, it has come to our knowledge that you have lost you job....We therefore feel compelled to terminate the tenancy contract from 20 Jan 2021.

Markus

[Rockstar]

It will be a focused effort to get Biden impeached but I wonder if the possibility of Harris being president will put a damper on the zeal?


IMO the last two impeachment hearings showed no regard for what was good for the nation, evidence of right or wrong, legal, illegal or corruption. IMO it had everything to do with the power of the party. With a majority democratic congress and a split Senate. I see absolutely no possibility an investigation or impeachment proceedings ever being considered.

[u crank]

"Biden is corrupt" is one of Trump's and minion's accusations, and while it may be true - evidence! We will soon find out.

Well I have a feeling that you don't want to know. Fine. I can't force you to see something you don't want to see. And I am not going to do your work for you. Sleep well.

Regarding the rest i am sure all know this, but apparently a majority chose the lesser evil.

That is like saying my serial killer only killed 25 people, yours killed 50. Why not just say they are both serial killers.

[Catfish]

I will not look for "evidence" in your Fox News, Breitbart, blah et al conspiracy sites, thank you.

Regarding your second 'argument', ok let's say they are both serial killers.
One is an incompetent unsympathetic idiot serial killer, while the other is a polite and sympathetic serial killer.
Who do you choose? Pest or cholera?

Did you just say the incumbent and coming US presidents are serial killers? :haha:

[mapuc]

Which kind of USA will we see in 1,2 or 4 years from now ?

USA will change.
Question is to what. Will it be a stronger nationen or a weaker nation under Biden ?

It's going to be interesting to follow your country the next 4 years. In the news and here on this forum(GT)

Markus

[u crank]

I will not look for "evidence" in your Fox News, Breitbart, blah et al conspiracy sites, thank you.

You don't have to. I didn't.

Regarding your second 'argument', ok let's say they are both serial killers. One is an incompetent unsympathetic idiot serial killer, while the other is a polite and sympathetic serial killer.

You are stretching the bounds of logic to avoid calling them both serial killers. You can do it if you try.:D

[Skybird]

Trump has justified to break one of America's most sacred norms:


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/case-criminally-investigating-ex-president/616804/


Immunity must end with the end of term, else you declare the subject a king, a deity.



------------------------


"I am immune" - Did he really only talk about his Corona infection?


https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/22/fear-donald-trump-obsession-immunity-430928

[Catfish]

@Skybird: Trump is a king? Trump is god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w0kSkvusjI

They should not have blended in the choirs and music, she is doing it all herself.
I have no idea how anyone who is religious could fall for a "televangelist" [sic!!] like that.

[Cybermat47]

Welp it's looking more and more like you foreigners will have another 4 years to complain about Trump. :)

Well, this aged like milk.

[Skybird]

@Skybird: Trump is a king? Trump is god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w0kSkvusjI
Hell, I did not know that, somehow I missed that.

Even as an atheist I find this - this strange walking voice-body-thing an obscenety, and a carricature of a living thing.

What planet did you say she came from?

[Skybird]

Well, this aged like milk.
:har: :up:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5cAfGaBc0M

[skidman]

You can be certain the GOP will do all they can to block Biden's agenda and make him a one term president.

I have to admit I don't know why foreigners are so happy about Biden. You have to be pretty naive to think there will be substantial changes in U.S. foreign policy. For example, Biden will still try to kill Nord Stream 2 and pressure the Germans to stop being freeloaders and contribute their fair share to NATO.

Of course Biden will be a one term President, I can not see him running for a second term.

One thing we have learned in the last couple of days is a lot of people didn't vote for Biden, they voted against Trump. So in the last two elections the one that came trough was considered the lesser of two evils. What's interesting is this: Clinton didn't make it, cause she was seen as a member of the abhorrent political establishment. Obviously Biden's middle name is establishment. So what's the difference? This is it:

"Ding-dong, the jerk is gone. Finally, we have come to the end of Donald Trump’s season of extreme misrule. Voters have rejected what can only be described as the crassest, vainest, stupidest, most dysfunctional leadership this country has ever suffered." Thomas Frank, The Guardian

And regarding Biden's foreign policy: We shall wait and see. I expect him to act, negotiate, make compromises like politicians do, not like a bulldozer on steroids. That will make him predictable. We foreigners can expect not to be treated like a bunch of idiots any longer and this will help a lot to advance for mutual benefit.

[mapuc]

I say one of these 20 members who had picked Biden as winner in our "Who do you think... " shall have the bragging right 1 year ahead.

So a majority of the American people is celebrating.

I will not hear a word, not even a itchy tiny letter of complain the next four years...You knew what type of President Trump was and what kind of politics he had and what he had done to USA economically, furthermore there was many more candidate than Biden among the Democrats and Biden was chosen to lead USA the next 4 years or more.

A voter have a responsibility and it's not a responsibility to protest continuously, but a responsibility to do the right for the country...which mean no voting in some cases, if none of politician is qualified to lead and protect the country and the people within

I presume the voters have been thinking a lot before making their choice in the voting booth.

(Don't take it litterally)

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Of course Biden will be a one term President, I can not see him running for a second term.

And regarding Biden's foreign policy: We shall wait and see. I expect him to act, negotiate, make compromises like politicians do, not like a bulldozer on steroids.

Perhaps even less than one term after he gets everything swinging in the right direction and then he turns the WH over to Harris.
Did you notice how her outfits changed from humble dress to rich outfits?

SOS has not been announced yet, but letting Obama back into the inner circles would not surprise me.

Something big is brewing here stayed tuned for the truth that this is no ordinary election of which I have finally figured out why I and many
other Christians prophesied that Trump would win the WH in 2020.

My God does not lose elections ... He sent a lying spirit into the mouths of all the prophets that prophesied that Trump would be the next POTUS.

I was one of them :oops:

[Skybird]

From the closed election thread.

Well of course. There will always be questions about this election. Dimocrats never accepted the 2016 election results and always viewed Trump as an illegitimate President.
The irony is Trump never accepted the 2016 results either. ;) He just could not imagine that he lost the popular vote, in the trumpverse such a possibility does not exist: its against trumpverse's naturals laws. A trumpverse has only one nucleus: a socalled trump (thus no plural for that word).

You can be certain the GOP will do all they can to block Biden's agenda and make him a one term president. Indeed, the destruction and war-at-all-costs will continue, the precious republican ego has suffered what it sees as a big bruise and offence,. retaliation mjst be promised, revenge mist be taken. Mitch McConnell, the man who said during impeachment and before that he does not care for truth and evidence but will bail out Trump at any cirucmstance, no matter the evidence, at any cost, NO MATTER WHAT, already said that the senate if led by Republicans will completely boycott and totally block Biden on each and everything. Total blockade. That asks one question for the American people: "Wollt ihr wirklich den totalen Krieg?" This time they do not invade and occupy and destroy some other foreign country - but their own.

I have to admit I don't know why foreigners are so happy about Biden. You have to be pretty naive to think there will be substantial changes in U.S. foreign policy. For example, Biden will still try to kill Nord Stream 2 and pressure the Germans to stop being freeloaders and contribute their fair share to NATO.Here we do absolutely agree. There indeed are quite some people over here who think that with Biden comes a change in political doctrine and priorities, on the other hand there are also not few who see that this is unlikely to happen. Manners, tone and style will chnage for the better, the diplomatric handgreande lobbing will end - but Biden pretty muich follows the basic orientation of US foreign policy, and that is turning away from Europe - a development alreeady starting under Clinton and being continued by Bush jr. and Obama, and under Obama quite obviously already. Seeing that Merkel seems to have started to be a bit disconnected from reality (her Corona handling imo turns worse and worse and lacks any longterm plan or perspective) and the goivenr,ment members being plagued by dangerous illusions and megalomaniac (EU and Germany being the moral role models for the world and the world following EU's climate dictate) and a big dose of I think intellectual under-performance), I am pessimistic about the germans in special beign capable to adapt to the "real reality" instead of handling just their own imagnery model idea of reality as they wish it should be like, but isn't. I use to say the Germans are hysteric romanticists, remember? And once again they will pay dearly for this character trait.

On Nord Stream 2, two thign shappened that work for America. Navalny, and Biden. Without Nawalny and without Biden beign elected, Washington would have bitten on granite this time, too much we are pissed by the obvious doiuble standard and split tongue,m since this US demand to satop it is for wantign to sell own US gas instead of Europe buying Russian gas, evertyhign else is just coverup and propaganda. Its all about money, plain and simple. So, indeed possible that Nord Stream 2 will not survive assassination atempt of Nawalny and support for Biden. But the german psoition on Russian assassination atepts in the past alrteady has been contradiuctory and opportunistic, so its too early to bet money on the outcome of Nord Stream 2. Personally, I totally oppose the US demand, it is unappropriate and economcially and ecologically illogical for us and is to our disadvantage and hugely raised costs.

I must admit the bigger pride of the French for exmaple, leading them to resist the US more stubbornly, impresses me more than the Germans' daydreaming and cowardly opportunism. Same to be said about the cultural identity feeling in eastern Europe, i may not like the potlical condensates, but for the general attitude to insist on "we are we - not somebody else wanting what is ours" I have great sympathy. Thje eU policy on ths eissues reminds way too much of Sovjet resettlkement progrma d, culturla wengineering and social engineeriung to create the ideal servile and obedient Sovjet citizen that can better be controlled by the state's sovereigns. The EU is destroying Europe: its histolrically grown identity and diversity, its comeptitions that gave rise to excellence and - well, competition, its cultural development and values, repalicjng it all with brain-childs of desktop-offenders., central papnners and left-leaning social engineers plannign the idela citizen design for endlessly legitimising, praising and supporting the EU.
A very lot reminds of the Sovjet Union already, I must say. The physicla brutlaity and violence may not be there, but the psychological pressure is intense, and the legal blackmailing and social pressure for compliance even more.

[mapuc]

For how long is Trump the President..I know Biden has to take the oath Jan. 20 2021. Is Trump President until then.

How much power has he from now until then(Jan. 20 2021).

Earlier today I was thinking, what if Trump in his rage due to having lost the election decide to leave the White House with a bang..meaning let Biden take over a country at war with Iran and/or NK.

Trump hasn't start any war and I don't think he as any intention to do so, but can he give an attack order, now that he has lost the election ?

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Hell, I did not know that, somehow I missed that.

Even as an atheist I find this - this strange walking voice-body-thing an obscenety, and a carricature of a living thing.

What planet did you say she came from?

One scam artist to another scam artist. Omg, the fruitcakes in this world. :k_confused:

For how long is Trump the President..I know Biden has to take the oath Jan. 20 2021. Is Trump President until then.


Trump hasn't start any war and I don't think he as any intention to do so, but can he give an attack order, now that he has lost the election ?

Markus

I would give Trump credit as the least militarist President since Hoover.

[Skybird]

For how long is Trump the President..I know Biden has to take the oath Jan. 20 2021. Is Trump President until then.

How much power has he from now until then(Jan. 20 2021).

Earlier today I was thinking, what if Trump in his rage due to having lost the election decide to leave the White House with a bang..meaning let Biden take over a country at war with Iran and/or NK.

Trump hasn't start any war and I don't think he as any intention to do so, but can he give an attack order, now that he has lost the election ?

Markus
Well, he strongly motivates intimidating armed mobsters flocking to thre streets, in Arizonas growingly so (and complains when the other side feels threatened or bullied and so does the same in a reaction - but that confrontation is what Trump wants and always wanted). He will never say "Americans, grab a weapon anbd bangbang down every biden voter you cna find", but he certainly wills to indirectly, rhetorically motivate right this, and he would accept it if it happens. He has praised radicals in the past, relativised extremists, and refused to distance himself from armed mobsters and racists. He certainly will motivate them to things, and indirectly encourages them, that he will never call them out to do in direct words. Nobody shall have illusions there, if somebody still thinks I exaggerate, then he must have spend the past years frozen in a fridge.


Seen this way, there is indeed a risk that he will try to leave behind burnt soil. The question is whether the party will let him. I am pessimistic there, since so much mercilessly opportunistic and power-greedy scum forms the top of it, has assisted Trump in the past years, lied for him, cheated for him, manipulated for him, agitated for him, defended his wrongdoings and deflecting any criticism away from him. They all are guilty, and they all are as unscrupulous as Trump is himself. I especially think of Pence and McConnell, but there are more. Both I strictly dislike with passion. Palin, measured by Trump's standards, just was hilarious and embarassing in comparison when she had her hey-years.

[u crank]

Now that it almost seem certain that Joe Biden will be President a very obvious question comes up. What will a very bias left wing MSM do now? After four years of a daily vomit of anti Trump rage porn these people will have to find a new way to keep viewers and readers interested. Let's face it Joe Biden has to be one of the more boring and uninteresting politicians alive. Now they could fact check and investigate any and all allegations of corruption and scandal but we know that is not going to happen. Jim Acosta could yell out rude questions at press conferences but no that won't happen. Joe will get the Obama treatment from CNN and one has to wonder what it will do to their ratings.

On the other hand the Biden administration will be a goldmine for the folks at FoxNews and all the conservative news outlets. Let the fun begin.

[Mr Quatro]

Sure Biden is boring, but his agenda is not ... in fact it is upsetting

It's the US Senate that will get all of the news, right now it is tied 48-48 with two (2) independents (who will surely be wined and dinned by both sides)

Four Senate races are still to be decided in run off elections January 6th with two of them in the swing voter state of Georgia.

If they stay tied then the VP elect Harris will decide the matter and we know which side she is on, but I bet the GOP will win the majority of the Senate back to be a thorn in President elect Joe Biden.

Let's see what is up to him and what is up to the House and the Senate

Green deal

Trump's wall

Open borders

Amnesty for all

Obama's old health mandate that everyone must pay into
(already before the Supreme Court)

Women's health rights in regards to abortion

Lock downs mandatory including mask

No siree 2021 will be exciting for sure :yep:

[Onkel Neal]

I feel we have to give the Biden administration a chance. I'm hoping some of the bs they spouted was simply campaign rhetoric. However, if the new administration abolishes ICE, opens the borders, appoints Beto-Bozo as a firearm confiscation czar, etc. it's gonna get ugly.

[u crank]

I feel we have to give the Biden administration a chance.

I believe that Biden's two biggest challenges will be the Covid 19 virus and the hard pressure he is going to get from the far Left people in his party. That pressure has already started and he'll have to walk a fine line to prevent a civil war within the Democrat party.

[mapuc]

Biden has stretched his hand out to all Americans an outstretched hand to unification

Now it's up to those who voted Trump/third candidate to either requite this and stretch his own hand forward and give Biden his hand or choose to go against the grate.

I say it's time to unite no more we and them.

That's how I see it

Markus

[ET2SN]

A voter have a responsibility and it's not a responsibility to protest continuously, but a responsibility to do the right for the country...which mean no voting in some cases, if none of politician is qualified to lead and protect the country and the people within.

Markus

I need to disagree with this. :salute:
In the US, most elections are "winner take all".
That means that whether 10 people voted or 10 million voted, someone's going to get the job by winning the election.

As citizens, its up to us to do the homework and figure out who the best candidate is. The more people who vote, the better the representation is since we're the ones the candidates will be working for*.


*- In a perfect world, but you get my point.

[ET2SN]

Obama's old health mandate that everyone must pay into
(already before the Supreme Court)



If anything, I'm still hoping we adopt something that looks a lot like a single payer, gov't mandated health care system. Something like what Canada or most of Europe uses.
Currently, I'm 100% covered by the VA which is a HUGE bureaucracy, but it works. All I had to do was hold up my right hand when I was sworn into the Navy and not commit any capital crimes, and I'm covered. :up:

I'd like to see a very similar option for my neighbors, especially the ones who need it, but its risky because some people will make less money than they do now.

"But our taxes..........!!!" Yep, they will go up for all of us. :yep: But, we'll wind up spending a LOT less on hospital fees and insurance. It actually works out as a "win".

BTW, this is the best way to contain and fight this flipping virus that's going off the charts, again. :up:

[Jimbuna]

I much prefer our UK NHS system which is free for all.

[mapuc]

I much prefer our UK NHS system which is free for all.

There isn't anything free in our democracy. Free for all means paid by everyone through taxes.

Otherwise I agree. We have the same system here. No cost at all..Except dentist.

Markus

[ET2SN]

Like you said, your taxes pay for your health care. :up:
There's also the issue of "responsibility" that we Americans will need to re-visit, which we're not good at. :doh:

The next time you dive into that buffet, expect your taxes to go up to cover your fat ###. :up:

[Catfish]

Suddenly.
I thought in the US all free healthcare advocats are described as being communist and unpatriotic?
Obama had a half-heartedly try, and even if someone gets as far as to propose this, there will be the republican senate.

[Catfish]

Hallelujah!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-socialmedia/trump-will-lose-special-twitter-protections-in-january-idUSKBN27O0MQ

[u crank]

I thought in the US all free healthcare advocats are described as being communist and unpatriotic?


But that is the issue. It is not free. I think the words you are looking for are universal, tax payer funded health care. Better description. We have that here in Canada and although it is comforting to know you are covered it is far from perfect. I could tell you stories. :yep:

[Skybird]

I much prefer our UK NHS system which is free for all.
Free...? Hardly. Stuff costs. Your nurses and doctors do not work for free.


You always pay. By tax blackmailing, for example.


The US systems problem is that it is hilariously expensive and underperforming. The German system is better in practical implementation and very much better in cost-effect efficiency, but costs the tax payer less than half. The US system is better in research and development, universities, has more big names involved, but regarding costs it is up and away. The German system is expensive and costs are gallopping, like everywhere, but the US systems costs are desastrous.

[Catfish]

^ yes, i should have put it in quotation marks:

I thought in the US all "free healthcare" advocats are described as being communist and unpatriotic?

or even better
"... in the US advocats of universal, tax payer funded health care are called communists and unpatriotic."

[Mr Quatro]

Leave it the way it is ... the government would just screw it up year after year till it was a boondoggle :yep:

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2020/demo/p60-271.html

In 2019, 8.0 percent of people, or 26.1 million, did not have health insurance at any point during the year, according to the CPS ASEC. The percentage of people with health insurance coverage for all or part of 2019 was 92.0 percent.

• Private health insurance coverage was more prevalent than public coverage, covering 68.0 and 34.1 percent of the population at some point during the year, respectively. Employment-based insurance was the most common subtype.

• In 2019, 9.2 percent of people, or 29.6 million, were not covered by health insurance at the time of interview, according to the ACS, up from 8.9 percent and 28.6 million.

The percentage of people with Medicaid coverage at the time of interview decreased to 19.8 percent in 2019, down from 20.5 percent in 2018

[ET2SN]

Again, I'm covered by the VA. Its a massive bureaucracy but it works.

If we can provide this coverage to former members of military, why can't we provide it for everyone? What makes me so special?

Think about this in practical terms. Let's say that next Spring we will need to test EVERYONE in the country for the virus within a one week period so we can control its spread. How can 500 different health care systems (with their own boards of directors and stockholders) step up to the plate? For the sake of the argument, we don't have a choice. We HAVE to test everyone on time. We can't afford to ignore it.

[August]

Yeah well i'm covered by the VA too and I disagree. Trump did institute some reforms but it wasn't that long ago that patients were literally dying before the VA would see them. It has a long way to go before it approaches the quality of of private civilian health care.

[ET2SN]

So, the reason these vets died was what, exactly?

Why didn't a private hospital step up and do the right thing?

Yeah, I know its unfair but you know why.

[August]

So, the reason these vets died was what, exactly?


Their deaths were due to the bloated and inefficient VA bureaucracy that you seem so willing to abide.


Why didn't a private hospital step up and do the right thing?

Yeah, I know its unfair but you know why.


Yeah I do. It's because they weren't asked to. The involvement of civilian health care was usually in the emergency room when the patients showed up already nearly dead from waiting for a VA appointment.

[ET2SN]

Sooooooooo... You're a patient of the VA because you know you can do better?

:har:

[August]

Sooooooooo... You're a patient of the VA because you know you can do better?

:har:


No I haven't been to the VA for myself since the early 1990's but I also took care of my retired Army father for 30 years while the Agent Orange he was exposed to in Vietnam slowly killed him. Is that still funny?

[ET2SN]

Sorry, I'm smart but I can't read minds. :)

Try shaking it off, like if I write "suppose Ayn Rand and Rush Limbaugh didn't sign the Declaration Of Independence", that doesn't mean they didn't sign it.
It means just suppose... :yep:

[Skybird]

The reconciliator...
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/versoehner_ts/26603636/2-format1007.jpg

Good luck. I am very pessimistic. Major parts of his own party do not want it, the Republicans do not want it. The suicide squad presses him for policies unacceptable for conservatives, and thus will help to make the Dems unvotable in four years. The Republicans and Senate (if they get it) will let him starve.

Honestly said I think Joe Biden has no chance. I would like to be proven wrong over the next years.

I think it will not be different when Harris takes over. The election chances in four years will by far not be as good as they just have been.

Trump will not go away, I think. The big gorilla in the room, Romney called him. Many Republicans still are silent, only a few criticised him in past days. No good omen. The Republican wall will maybe not crumble before the demographics, ethnic development in the US has created realities that even the rigged election system, gerrymandering and the anger of the conservative can no longer bypass. These developements are working in favour for the left.


The next Trump, new or old, is only a question of time.

[ET2SN]

Its a very tricky question, and you shouldn't try to hang it all on Joe.

I have to accept the fact that in my county, 53% of the voters (half of the people I see at the store) chose to embrace and support a tyrant who wanted to destroy this country. :timeout:

How do I resolve that? Maybe if I had more (or maybe less) character, I could try a blanket "forgive and forget" strategy? But, why would I want to reward that kind of thinking? No, it wasn't OK. Yes, it really mattered. We're still in the middle of a global pandemic where real leadership is very important.

I'm serious, I don't know how to resolve this. :doh:

[August]

Sorry, I'm smart but I can't read minds. :)

Try shaking it off, like if I write "suppose Ayn Rand and Rush Limbaugh didn't sign the Declaration Of Independence", that doesn't mean they didn't sign it.
It means just suppose... :yep:


You didn't use the word suppose. You made a flippantly rude comment. Now apologize or don't, I don't care, but don't try to weasel out of it. I know exactly what you meant.

[ET2SN]

Fine, you're a patient of the VA because you don't know any better. Happy now?

[August]

Fine, you're a patient of the VA because you don't know any better. Happy now?


Jerk.

[Gorpet]

As a Republican i welcome this change. I hope the Donald will leave a gracefully
as MacArthur did.He will forever be known as the last
American citizen to be elected outside of the Political families that dominate America. Now that the Democrats have won i want to see how they will put their Jeannie's back in the bottle. I want to see how hope and change and love these two will bring to all Americans and the world. At the end of the first yr. will they bring back the coke commercial we are the world and hand's around the equator? Yes i want this why, cause i want the rest of the World to see the greatest Republic fall, Why take notice we let political families stay in power for year's and year's . There is no deep state here it all it's about the ruling families of each state . There is only 1 party in this country Left,Right their all the same. What they and those around this Planet see is over population. Just like the minks we must be culled. Tell me who in the world's leading family's has died of covid? Hell we haven't heard a damn thing out of China have we? not here in America no. So let's celebrate the bad Orange man is gone. And we will all see what we will get by destroying 1 man and his family cause he wasn't born into the Purple. End transmission.

[ET2SN]

Jerk.

Sorry, again. I'll try to be more politically correct in this thread so it doesn't cause your emotions any harm. Just like for the last four years, its important we respect each other. :up:

[Jimbuna]

Free...? Hardly. Stuff costs. Your nurses and doctors do not work for free.


You always pay. By tax blackmailing, for example.


The US systems problem is that it is hilariously expensive and underperforming. The German system is better in practical implementation and very much better in cost-effect efficiency, but costs the tax payer less than half. The US system is better in research and development, universities, has more big names involved, but regarding costs it is up and away. The German system is expensive and costs are gallopping, like everywhere, but the US systems costs are desastrous.

Okay, lets not play on words like 'free'

There is no charge in the UK for the individual at point of contact, services having already been paid for by government grants which are derived from income tax derived from companies and individuals, a great many people in the UK don't even pay any.

[Jimbuna]

Hallelujah!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-socialmedia/trump-will-lose-special-twitter-protections-in-january-idUSKBN27O0MQ

The look on his face on the photo in that article speaks a great many words.

[Jimbuna]

Appreciate the deletion :salute:

[Skybird]

Okay, lets not play on words like 'free'

There is no charge in the UK for the individual at point of contact, services having already been paid for by government grants which are derived from income tax derived from companies and individuals, a great many people in the UK don't even pay any.


"In Sovjet Union, state pays for everything."

https://s30886.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/MV5BMTUzMDEyMjgyMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTk5ODkwNQ@@._ V1_SY1000_CR0014971000_AL_.jpg

:O:
.

[mapuc]

Going back to my last comment where I wrote about thought who only went quickly through my mind.
Skybird replied to it and then today in the Swedish news I read the same

I found the English version of it

This is what Donald’s going to do: he’s not going to concede, although who cares. What’s worse is he’s not going to engage in the normal activities that guarantee a peaceful transition. All he’s got now is breaking stuff, and he’s going to do that with a vengeance.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/mary-trump-on-the-end-of-uncle-donald-all-he-has-now-is-breaking-things

I truly hope the transition will be a peaceful and a joyful happening.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Going back to my last comment where I wrote about thought who only went quickly through my mind.
Skybird replied to it and then today in the Swedish news I read the same

I found the English version of it



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/mary-trump-on-the-end-of-uncle-donald-all-he-has-now-is-breaking-things

I truly hope the transition will be a peaceful and a joyful happening.

Markus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjr63xj9hqg

[AVGWarhawk]

The reconciliator...
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/versoehner_ts/26603636/2-format1007.jpg

Good luck. I am very pessimistic. Major parts of his own party do not want it, the Republicans do not want it. The suicide squad presses him for policies unacceptable for conservatives, and thus will help to make the Dems unvotable in four years. The Republicans and Senate (if they get it) will let him starve.

Honestly said I think Joe Biden has no chance. I would like to be proven wrong over the next years.

I think it will not be different when Harris takes over. The election chances in four years will by far not be as good as they just have been.

Trump will not go away, I think. The big gorilla in the room, Romney called him. Many Republicans still are silent, only a few criticised him in past days. No good omen. The Republican wall will maybe not crumble before the demographics, ethnic development in the US has created realities that even the rigged election system, gerrymandering and the anger of the conservative can no longer bypass. These developements are working in favour for the left.


The next Trump, new or old, is only a question of time.

The country is certainly facing a deadlock for sometime to come. Personally, I see a Biden administration as a disaster far greater than those that see Trump's as a disaster. There is no agenda in the party. The old school Pelosi and her crew are not only not on the same page. The page is in a totally different book. The squad pushing idyllic dreams of a Green New Deal where all are for one and one for all. Social, environmental, racial justice! Oh the fun we will have....

[Mr Quatro]

The country is certainly facing a deadlock for sometime to come. Personally, I see a Biden administration as a disaster far greater than those that see Trump's as a disaster. There is no agenda in the party. The old school Pelosi and her crew are not only not on the same page. The page is in a totally different book. The squad pushing idyllic dreams of a Green New Deal where all are for one and one for all. Social, environmental, racial justice! Oh the fun we will have....

I have just been informed by a good friend that this election is not over yet and that it may still be argued before the Supreme Court
which would then leave it up to the House/Senate to decide the winner. :yep:

When my friend posted it (I dare not here) FB gave me a warning about the election results final count and warned me not to post it.

So maybe I'm not a false prophet yet, uh? :up:

Here's a real slap in the face for all of the men and women that have paid their student loans off:


Biden said he'd forgive $10,000 in student debt for all borrowers. Will it actually happen?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/biden-said-hed-forgive-dollar10000-in-student-debt-for-all-borrowers-will-it-actually-happen/ar-BB1aQyvd?li=BBnbfcL

Now that he's been elected, the 42 million Americans with education loans may be wondering: Will it really happen?

[Catfish]

^ and you know what i heard? I am not allowed to tell you, but ..
The day after the election Trump went home and beat the scrap out of his wife, which is the final blow why Mrs Trump will leave him and be divorced as soon as her yet-husband has left the White House in january 2021.
She does not dare to do it earlier because Trump would be close to kill her.

Oh lookout, I maybe a false prophet.

[mapuc]

It's difficult to see what's up and down in all the information we get regarding this US election.

I have this standpoint: Stories/Comments my friends share where there's no link to any article or the article is on, what I call suspicious, newsside I take with a truckload of salt.

The same goes with our mainstream media, in some cases.

Markus

[Gerald]

President Donald Trump has sacked Defence Secretary Mark Esper, announcing on Twitter that the top US official has been "terminated".

Christopher Miller, the current head of the National Counterterrorism Center, will take on the role immediately.

It follows a public falling-out between Mr Trump and Mr Esper in recent weeks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54880774

President Trump announced Christopher Miller would immediately become defence secretary

The assignment completed!

[Skybird]

Trump on the golf course. Pence on vaccation. Barr having turned invisible.

Corrosion.

Like a fart in the wind. The Supreme Court, if it even accepts the "case", will only rule on how much it is still allowed to stink on its wind out. If the judges have noses, probably not too long.

[mapuc]

Ok I could be wrong in this.

From what I have learned Trump is demanding a recount in some of the states and he want the Supreme Court word for it.

Was it yesterday where I saw an hour CNN and here they went through these allegation and toke Colorado as an example.

Number of citizens .... Can't remember how many citizens in Colorado could vote in this election.
The percentage of irregularities in voting and suspicious vote fraud was something with 0.0.....9 %

So let Trump has his recount because I think the result will be somehow the same. Maybe Trump will get a few hundred or may a thousand more vote than the first counting was done.

I could be wrong.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Sorry, again. I'll try to be more politically correct in this thread so it doesn't cause your emotions any harm. Just like for the last four years, its important we respect each other. :up:

There's nothing politically correct about being tactful and civil. Just saying.

[August]

Here's a real slap in the face for all of the men and women that have paid their student loans off:


Even more to the people who never got to go to college at all.

[Onkel Neal]

It's too late to make a difference, but this was the best debate

https://youtu.be/hMzTmyijZ2M

[Catfish]

hahah this is fabulous, will have to rewatch it this evening :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Yes, I liked that :)

Most of the social media sites, FB for example, are having a field day but that's hardly surprising.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGw8Uw7Mxdc

[Jimbuna]

President Donald Trump is refusing to admit losing the election, making unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud.

The US justice department has given federal prosecutors an unusual go-ahead to investigate alleged vote irregularities.

Top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell says the president has every right to pursue legal challenges.

Democrat Joe Biden was projected as the election's winner, with an unassailable lead, on Saturday.

Biden is moving forward with transition plans and has pledged the most diverse cabinet in history.

Results from the states of Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and Alaska are still outstanding.

[AVGWarhawk]

President Donald Trump is refusing to admit losing the election, making unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud.

The US justice department has given federal prosecutors an unusual go-ahead to investigate alleged vote irregularities.

Top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell says the president has every right to pursue legal challenges.

Democrat Joe Biden was projected as the election's winner, with an unassailable lead, on Saturday.

Biden is moving forward with transition plans and has pledged the most diverse cabinet in history.

Results from the states of Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and Alaska are still outstanding.


Al Gore was given 2 months to investigate irregularities when running against Bush Jr. Specifically in Florida. Trump has been given less than 3 days. See an issue here?

Biden should be forming a transition team so if and when it is truly confirmed he will be ready to start his stay at the geriatrics ward on Pennsylvania Ave.

Biden will pledge all he likes. He has not yet realized he is a puppet.

[Skybird]

Fox News (!) again broke off a spectacular lying propaganda volley with a Trumpian agitator. Yesterday it got known that Trumpian officials hinder transition and refuse to cooperate in getting transition processes started. Scorched earth is the motto, obviously. And then accusing Biden of the negative consequences from this.

For the time being, so titled CNN some hours ago, democracy has not won - it merely survived.

Wake up everybody. The US is in a very serious constitutional crisis. Its very heart and system is under constant heavy fire by Trump's side.

These deranged lunatics are starting to get really dangerous.
Their hustle and bustle and the reality-distorting "logic" of their motivation are reminiscent of sectarian cults and activities such as Scientology or - can we say it? - Qanon.


They try to steal the election. And that means they give dogdirt for democracy and election and freedom, they want the power, and they increasingly will to enforce it by any means, by cheat and lie, fraud and betrayal, abuse and threat of violence, intimidation, agitation, propaganda: no matter the costs, and if it costs the nation everything. Its a cult, a sect, the psychological engine driving it is clearly showing similiarities with that of cults and sects and their patterns of psychological control of people and crowds. Well prepared by Trump by expressing his sympathy for QAnon. Thats why he nursed it.

Watch out, America. You think of yourself as being the greatest and finest, and by that a b it over-confident attitude have unlearned to even theoretically imagine the possibility that you could fail and could lose it all. But that is the track you are currently on. Stop the sleepwalking and wake up before you reach the top of the cliff. Its dangerous ground you are sleepwalking on.

Heck, i cannot believe that I predicted somethign like this over ten, maybe even fifteen years ago already. The forum attacked me and laughed about me back then when i said that America is very prone to fall victim to increasing authoritarianism, even fascism, and political fraud with the aim to establish dynastic tyranny. I have over 31 thousand posts, its a bit difficult to find it, else I would link it up. The typical American characteristic of idolozing the poltica leadership as well as loving competiiton in any context at ever yopoprutnity, form sports to argueing, from career to economy, is also inclduing a great vulnerability to always snap for confrotnaiton like a dog snaps after a bone if you hold one before its nose. As I see it, its all like an autoimmune desease that tears America increasingly apart. It digests itself. And oif you wanr of that and try to tell people that this is wha happens, they still do nto belpoeive you, whiloe watchign the Trumpian destruction orgy unmoved and not seeing the relevance. Biden and Harris will have maybe 4 years, yes. But After those four years, the old or the next Trumpian phenomen will raise, even more hate-filled and willing to destroy everythign standing in its way, beating and clubbing on america even worse than Trump already did. The Republican party is turning into a sect - and people do not see it.

No, I see no chance for things turning better. They will turn worse. And the Republicans will be the driving force behind it if they do not eject the Trump clan from their rows and allow them to further hijack the party.

Take me by my words.

[AVGWarhawk]

Even more to the people who never got to go to college at all.

The Dems like to scream equality and justice. So yes, what about those that paid their loans? What about those that did not have an opportunity at all? Should a check be cut just because? What about those that were able to pay for college with help from family and working? Do these folks receive money back?

Free college is a pipe dream because nothing is free.

[Jimbuna]

Al Gore was given 2 months to investigate irregularities when running against Bush Jr. Specifically in Florida. Trump has been given less than 3 days. See an issue here?

Biden should be forming a transition team so if and when it is truly confirmed he will be ready to start his stay at the geriatrics ward on Pennsylvania Ave.

Biden will pledge all he likes. He has not yet realized he is a puppet.

https://i.postimg.cc/P5dgknTv/124022961-670223777265898-7418855220035272160-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bsFCQMGq)

:O::03:

[Onkel Neal]

The Dems like to scream equality and justice. So yes, what about those that paid their loans? What about those that did not have an opportunity at all? Should a check be cut just because? What about those that were able to pay for college with help from family and working? Do these folks receive money back?

Free college is a pipe dream because nothing is free.

Tell me about it. I imagine I spent quite a lot on college costs, will I get it back? Maybe I should have borrowed the money and not paid it back, then I would be sitting pretty, getting rewarded for foolish and irresponsible decisions.




President Donald Trump is refusing to admit losing the election, making unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud.



I keep reading the MSM calls Trump's claims "unsubstantiated". They seem terrified.

The US justice department has given federal prosecutors an unusual go-ahead to investigate alleged vote irregularities.

MSM has to add "unusual". How about just straight reporting, huh? If either side has some suspicion of vote irregularities, why not investigate? Why malign any investigation? Won't an investigation substantiate claims or dismiss them?

Maybe this is some silly bs by Trump, so let them investigate. The Dems sure spent a ton of money and time investigating Russian collusion. If it's all above board, laugh in his face when they cannot find significant fraud.

Whether you are for Trump or against, can anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing from the MSM?

[AVGWarhawk]

https://i.postimg.cc/P5dgknTv/124022961-670223777265898-7418855220035272160-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bsFCQMGq)

:O::03:

:har::har::har:

[AVGWarhawk]

I keep reading the MSM calls Trump's claims "unsubstantiated". They seem terrified.



MSM has to add "unusual". How about just straight reporting, huh? If either side has some suspicion of vote irregularities, why not investigate? Why malign any investigation? Won't an investigation substantiate claims or dismiss them?

Maybe this is some silly bs by Trump, so let them investigate. The Dems sure spent a ton of money and time investigating Russian collusion. If it's all above board, laugh in his face when they cannot find significant fraud.

Whether you are for Trump or against, can anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing from the MSM?


MSM and the like should be reporting repeatedly that the investigation should be conducted. How else will the nomination of Biden be legitimized? Does Biden and co want to be known as the administration that stole an election?

Let the recount be made. It is not like we don't have the time.

[nikimcbee]

Al Gore was given 2 months to investigate irregularities when running against Bush Jr. Specifically in Florida. Trump has been given less than 3 days. See an issue here?

Biden should be forming a transition team so if and when it is truly confirmed he will be ready to start his stay at the geriatrics ward on Pennsylvania Ave.

Biden will pledge all he likes. He has not yet realized he is a puppet.




ALgore......:har:Now there's an inconvenient bit of historical data. We need to get a pool going on how long corn pop lasts, before he steps down.

[Skybird]

MSM has to add "unusual". How about just straight reporting, huh? If either side has some suspicion of vote irregularities, why not investigate? Why malign any investigation? Won't an investigation substantiate claims or dismiss them?


It IS un usual.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/wahl-in-amerika/trumps-pakt-mit-den-republikanern-kann-er-sich-alles-erlauben-17045739.html


Third, Attorney General William Barr has proven once again that he is willing to tweak the rules of his house to suit Trump's wishes. He explicitly consented to federal prosecutors investigating allegations of election fraud. Since there is no national electoral law of the federal government, but the individual states are responsible for organizing the election according to their own laws, this is not common. Barr lifted the rule that the federal judiciary will only act openly after the states have submitted their official results by December 8th. The responsible department head in the ministry resigned in protest against Barr's order.



And we still wait for the Trumpian minions to show evidence. Wehther it is fraud by mail or fraud by dead people signing ballots- so far it all has been debunked, proven wrong, or has not even seen the attempt to present evidence.


The only fraud we see is the one big fraud in aciton right now: stealing the election win from Biden and sabotaging anythging he could do.



I already start to feel a new horror for the time in three years, when all this will begin again - just on a level much worse.

[Onkel Neal]

And we still wait for the Trumpian minions to show evidence. Wehther it is fraud by mail or fraud by dead people signing ballots- so far it all has been debunked, proven wrong, or has not even seen the attempt to present evidence.



Interesting, how do you debunk something before the evidence is shown?

[Skybird]

Interesting, how do you debunk something before the evidence is shown?
Dead voter billets. Debunked. Live on camera.

Claims before variosu courts. No evidence shown up. When do you give your "evidence" at the latest - if not when you are before the court...?

You have fallen under the spell of their narration, too, Neal. Just saying.

[AVGWarhawk]

Dead voter billets. Debunked. Live on camera.

Claims before variosu courts. No evidence shown up. When do you give your "evidence" at the latest - if not when you are before the court...?

You have fallen under the spell of their narration, too, Neal. Just saying.

You may paint it however you like but the courts are allowing a look. Recounts are being made. There is something there. A grand conspiracy? That only happens when the Russians are involved.

[Buddahaid]

...There is something there...

A sore loser.

[Skybird]

There is something there.
boooohoooohoooo! Huuuuuuhuuuuhaaaaa!

"Whatever it was that haunted the Carters, was still there, in the air..."

There is not more than at any eleciton ever ybeign done, in the Us, in germany... A ver yfew techncial accidents of irrelevant and menaignless proportions. Unloucky mishaps. The OSCE ob servers were VERY clear on stating that, absolutely clear, leaving no space for doubt. Other international observers also said this. No sign for any attempt of systematic doubts. In two of the most embattled states where they now go after it once again, the superior directors for the election process were republicans, so were the governors of the states. And they too agreed there was and is no fraud attempted by the Democrats in their states.

The only ones seeing fraud and conspiracy, are those who accuse others of what they actually and right now and right in the present try to do themselves. What I see is delusion in them , anger, and bad losers who do even accept to cheat in order to reverse the result.

No election ever goes without small mistakes and technial hickups here and there, it happens all the time, everywhere. The question is the scale of it, whether it is decisive or is below the trashold where oyu say it is the unescaable consequences of human nature being imperfect and Murphy's law striking.

There is no evidence given ba anyone sof ar for systamtic atenmpt to betray during the elction. There is only the very clear evidence for wnatint to betray afterwards, and it is aplenty, and we an see it on tV everyday and we can read it on twitter everday and we can ntoe in social media everyday, driven by hate, rage for not havign won power again.


What we see is a very bad looser trying to win by cheating , abuse, sabotage, lies, agitation and propaganda.

Why I care for it at all?

Simple. If America falls, the fall does not stop at its national borders. Thats why I care, and why we all must care. If the Trumps continue to dominate America, this creates fallout all over the world, and in Europe as well. Its like a radioactive cloud wandering with the wind. There is a reason why Erdoghan, Xi, Putin, still have not congratulated Biden, as diplomatic politeness would have ruled. They know that Trump is one of theirs, and they want him back.

[Mr Quatro]

Dead voter billets. Debunked. Live on camera.

Claims before variosu courts. No evidence shown up. When do you give your "evidence" at the latest - if not when you are before the court...?

You have fallen under the spell of their narration, too, Neal. Just saying.

No evidence as of yet ... however there are reports of such actions of 190,000 voters in Wisconsin with the same name of "Jenny Joe"that voted for Biden.:o

I'm sure it will all work out in the end ... that's the problem with atheism they just don't have the faith :D

[Buddahaid]

... that's the problem with atheism they just don't have the faith :D

That's the problem with believers, they excuse all manner of bad behavior as God's will.

[mapuc]

As an outsider(non-American)I can't understand what there's to lose by letting this chi...err... President Trump have his will and give him a recounts in these states he require.

As mentioned before..if everything went by the book...there will be no changes not very much, Biden will still have most vote in most of these states.

So let some others do the counting

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Of course there will be recounts and no one is seriously going to prevent it. If the recount makes a turnover, that will be rejected and another recount requested. If Biden still wins, Trump will still not accept it and then it gets fun.

Watch now for all the fun executive orders, firings, executive pardons, and other mischief forthcoming.

[Bilge_Rat]

70% of Republicans do not think the vote was free and fair:


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488

That works out to what, 50,000,000 voters?

That is what yoy get when you spend 4 years demonizing the other side.

[Bilge_Rat]

Good overview of the most serious allegations of voter fraud:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/09/yes-there-was-election-fraud-the-question-is-how-much/

Pretty obvious Dem officials were gaming the system to make sure Biden won.

Only question is whether anything can be done about it.

P.S. - yes the dead did vote by mail...:)

On Oct. 9 this year, Fred Stokes Jr. was mailed a ballot in Clark County, Nevada, for the upcoming presidential election just less than 30 days away. Three weeks later, the county confirmed the ballot’s receipt on Halloween and marked it off as “completed.” There remained only one problem with Stokes’ absentee ballot counted on the fall holiday: Fred Stokes Jr. had been dead for three years.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/06/nevada-records-show-deceased-voter-rose-from-the-grave-to-cast-mail-in-ballot/

[Buddahaid]

I read a lot of wishful thinking and here say in that.

[AVGWarhawk]

A sore loser.

Lest we forget previous elections had sore losers who wanted recounts and got them. Some that were so sore she did not show up to her victory party that was planned. Some so sore that for 4 years refused to recognize a president. Why is this recount any different?

[Buddahaid]

The difference is the mail in vote and I expected a recount. Trump was calling for a recount before the election was even in.

[AVGWarhawk]

The difference is the mail in vote and I expected a recount. Trump was calling for a recount before the election was even in.

Mail in ballots are open to all sorts of issues. Some beginning with the Post Office that in some areas like mine could not deliver a pizza to their own home. So yes, the alarm was sounded before the election began. Specifically in PA were there was an additional 3 days after the closing of the polls to count mail in ballots that arrived after the polls closed. There was plenty of time to get ballots in before Tuesday. Why in the state of PA the residence can't find a mailbox timely is something I can't answer.

Trump campaign has a right to a recount. No different than any other election.

[Onkel Neal]

Dead voter billets. Debunked. Live on camera.

Claims before variosu courts. No evidence shown up. When do you give your "evidence" at the latest - if not when you are before the court...?

You have fallen under the spell of their narration, too, Neal. Just saying.

Sorry you feel compelled to make that assumption without evidence :D

[Catfish]

Donald jr has it all mathed out:

https://i.imgur.com/lTwraSJl.jpg

[Buddahaid]

Mail in ballots are open to all sorts of issues. Some beginning with the Post Office that in some areas like mine could not deliver a pizza to their own home. So yes, the alarm was sounded before the election began. Specifically in PA were there was an additional 3 days after the closing of the polls to count mail in ballots that arrived after the polls closed. There was plenty of time to get ballots in before Tuesday. Why in the state of PA the residence can't find a mailbox timely is something I can't answer.

Trump campaign has a right to a recount. No different than any other election.

Of course, who's arguing they don't?

[AVGWarhawk]

Of course, who's arguing they don't?


Trump certainly was not arguing they don't thus the reason the call for a recount before the election was even in.


If we learn anything from this election:

1. Mail in ballots. No more. Vote in person
2. News outlets no longer call a state for a candidate

I'm sure more will be learned from the election.

[Buddahaid]

I disagree. Mail in ballots should become the norm.

[Jimbuna]

I was wondering, I often vote as my sons proxy when he is away but he has to apply for the option. Is that allowed over in the US?

[AVGWarhawk]

I disagree. Mail in ballots should become the norm.

Sorry to hear that. Voting being a right is great. Voting in person with others is a sense of community.

ID needs to be implemented as well. In my state, they ask name and address. Nothing more. My brother in law went in to vote 4 years ago. He gave his name and address. They said he has already voted. He was sent away. The system is rife with issues.

[AVGWarhawk]

I was wondering, I often vote as my sons proxy when he is away but he has to apply for the option. Is that allowed over in the US?

Not that I'm aware of. One can request a absentee ballot.

[Jimbuna]

Not that I'm aware of. One can request a absentee ballot.

So is that what w'ed call a postal vote over here?

[Bilge_Rat]

now it is stacking up, there are jus too many "anomalies" to blindly believe everything is on the up and up:

1. recored high turnout, much higher than historical BUT just in the cities Biden absolutely had to win.

For Wisconsin overall, the turnout was above 90% of registered voters. Even in a state with same-day registration, such a number seems implausible.

After all, in Australia, a place where voting is mandatory, and failing to vote is punishable with stiff fines, the total turnout for the most recent election was still only 92%.

Even more importantly, looking within the Wisconsin vote, the decisive locale for Biden was, unsurprisingly, Milwaukee. Wisconsin’s largest city reported an 84% turnout to secure a 145,916 vote lead there for Biden.

2. BIDEN only ballots

apparently 450,000 voters sent in ballots where they voted for Biden only, i.e. no votes for anyone else, Senators, congressmen, etc.

Trump campaign legal counsel Sidney Powell reports that, nationwide, over 450,000 Biden-only ballots were cast, meaning the voter allegedly selected Biden but then neglected down-ballot candidates, including closely-contested Senate and House races.

Again, this phenomenon appears far more prominently in battleground states, raising the alarm for manipulation.

Why would so many people vote Biden–only in battleground Georgia, but not in deeply-red Wyoming, for instance?

In the Peach State, President Trump’s vote total almost exactly tracked the vote totals for the Republican senate candidates, separated by merely 818 votes out of 2.43 million votes Trump earned there. But, Joe Biden saw an astounding surplus of 95,801 votes over the Democratic Senate candidates.

By comparison, in Wyoming Biden only registered a surplus “Biden-only” take of just 725 votes over the Democratic Senate candidate there, or about 1/4th his take in in Georgia, on a percentage basis.

3. abnormally low ballot rejection rate:

In the case of Pennsylvania, Governor Wolf made such changes unilaterally, in stark violation of Pennsylvania law and in contradiction of the clear US Constitutional assignment of voting regulatory authority to state legislatures, not governors. Governor Wolf’s election boards clearly just accepted the ballots… en masse, without appropriate vetting.

By their own admission, the scant 0.03% of rejected ballots represents a refusal rate that is just 1/30th the level of 2016 in Pennsylvania.

First-time mail-in voters typically see a rejection rate of about 3% historically, or 100 times the rejection rate of Pennsylvania in 2020.

When neighboring New York state moved to widespread mail-in voting this summer, their election officials rejected 21% of mailed ballots in June, representing a rate 700 times higher than Pennsylvania’s.

This total lack of filtering or controls raises enormous suspicion regarding a seriously-tainted ballot pool in the Keystone State.
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/case-against-biden-win

[Catfish]

From "Thenationalpulse.com", you may want to fact-check this?

I say let them recount, wait, and see. There's time enough for either side to be embarrassing.

[AVGWarhawk]

So is that what w'ed call a postal vote over here?

In the US, absentee ballots are more so for those in the military(deployed) or citizen out of the country when the election takes place. The ballot is mailed in. Local mail in ballots we have seen this election cycle has never been seen like this before.

You are a proxy for your son. How does that work? Your son tells what candidate he would like to vote and you do the voting for him?

[u crank]

I say let them recount, wait, and see. There's time enough for either side to be embarrassing.

Yea. This is the part I don't understand. If Democrats and their media allies think this is just an unsubstantiated hoax why not prove it and stick it to Trump one last time. The fact that they are dismissing it out of hand is somewhat suspicious.

Are they afraid that something might come of it?

[AVGWarhawk]

In the Senate races I see that the two seats in Georgia are going to a run off January 5th. What is the hold up in the North Carolina and Alaska senate races? With 58% of the vote in Alaska, the Republican has a 30 point lead. Too close to call? In North Carolina with 98% in the republican has a 1.7 point lead. Do the Democrats need more time to figure out how many more votes they need to add?

[mapuc]

I hope they will find a solution both side will accept.

Markus

[u crank]

In North Carolina with 98% in the republican has a 1.7 point lead. Do the Democrats need more time to figure out how many more votes they need to add?

Well you know I for one would not be surprised in the least if some how they managed to drag Cunningham across the finish line. You know how it works. And Dems are now looking at the best possible outcome without that seat as a tie 50-50.

In Georgia, Perdue at 49.7 just missed the 50% cutoff for avoiding a runoff. In the other race Collins and Loeffler combined to beat Warnock by 12 points. Collins immediately threw his support behind incumbent Loeffler. I can't imagine anyone who voted for Collins voting for a Democrat.

One thing for sure record breaking amounts of money are going to be spent in Georgia. And it could be a more important outcome than the Trump-Biden race.

[Onkel Neal]

From "Thenationalpulse.com", you may want to fact-check this?

I say let them recount, wait, and see. There's time enough for either side to be embarrassing.

Agreed. Maybe even both sides ;)

[Buddahaid]

In the Senate races I see that the two seats in Georgia are going to a run off January 5th. What is the hold up in the North Carolina and Alaska senate races? With 58% of the vote in Alaska, the Republican has a 30 point lead. Too close to call? In North Carolina with 98% in the republican has a 1.7 point lead. Do the Democrats need more time to figure out how many more votes they need to add?

Cute. Everyone knows only democrats are dishonest. Major bull alert!

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I wish I could say I was wrong about a stolen election, but there are some rather bad omens:

1. Trump has fired the Sec of Defense

2. Mike Pompeo said to expect "a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."

Is a coup possible? I could see Trump trying to do that. What's tragic is I think many in this forum would actually support such a coup.

I also could see some Blackwater types kidnapping and holding hostage the families of Electors to switch their votes, or driving truckloads of money up to a bloc of Electors to change their votes. While I don't think this will happen, I'm CERTAIN like the sun rising tomorrow that it has been secretly discussed by someone who has the capability to attempt it.

I really, really hope I'm being paranoid. The day your Internet and phone go dead is probably the day the coup is being attempted (I'm sure the NSA has the ability to shut down the Internet and telecommunications inside the USA).

[August]

One of the things I think happened in these Dem controlled cities is that once the polls closed and they knew who had voted and who didn't, who had applied for a mail in ballot and who didn't, they just supplied votes for the people who had done neither. Brilliant.

It explains the counting pause, the late night ballot dumps, dead people voting, mis-matched signatures and even the abnormally high participation rates.

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/trump-biden-transition-of-power-delay/index.html

Scorched earth policy at work. Little boy did not get the candies he demanded, so he stomps his feet,cries, and pukes on the table. Spoiled brat.

And this only because Daddy did not love him, treated him harsh. Poor little thing.

By the way, the price for this ego show is to be paid by the American people. Uncle Donald - is wanting YOU! :salute:

I now wait for he first patriotic volunteers stepping forward and making it clear they are PROUD(tm)! to pay it for the good cause. Well - who is first?:yeah:

[August]

:roll:

[Buddahaid]

One of the things I think happened in these Dem controlled cities is that once the polls closed and they knew who had voted and who didn't, who had applied for a mail in ballot and who didn't, they just supplied votes for the people who had done neither. Brilliant.

It explains the counting pause, the late night ballot dumps, dead people voting, mis-matched signatures and even the abnormally high participation rates.

And then maybe he just lost.

[Strykr]

Trump won.
Election night.

It's s simple as that.

[Dowly]

Trump won.
Election night.

It's s simple as that.
That's not how it works, at all.

[Catfish]

Trump won.No, it was Voyager.

[Reece]

No, it was Voyager.

Kathryn Janeway? :hmmm:

[Catfish]

^ Not Janeway.

Voyager, the probe ..

https://i.imgur.com/aXWlOUGl.jpg

[Catfish]

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-general-elections-elections-4060823b211ce91959b26f46efb73636

[Dowly]

https://i.imgur.com/2vKEiU0.jpg

[Jimbuna]

In the US, absentee ballots are more so for those in the military(deployed) or citizen out of the country when the election takes place. The ballot is mailed in. Local mail in ballots we have seen this election cycle has never been seen like this before.

You are a proxy for your son. How does that work? Your son tells what candidate he would like to vote and you do the voting for him?

Yeah, precisely that and I appreciate your response Chris :up:

[Jimbuna]

US President-elect Joe Biden announces the teams he will use to ensure a smooth transition in January.

Some 500 staff will work with federal agencies to prepare for the Biden White House.

President Donald Trump still refuses to admit defeat, making unsubstantiated claims of fraud.

Biden says Trump's refusal to accept defeat is an "embarrassment"

Results from the states of Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and Alaska are still outstanding.

[August]

And then maybe he just lost.


Democrat cheaters would have you believe that. Now they are compiling Enemies Lists while simultaneously calling for unity. You folks going to put all 70+ million of us on the list now or wait until you get back into power?

[Dowly]

Democrat cheaters would have you believe that. Now they are compiling Enemies Lists while simultaneously calling for unity. You folks going to put all 70+ million of us on the list now or wait until you get back into power?
They've really scared you sh!tless, haven't they?

[Skybird]

Some 500 staff will work with federal agencies to prepare for the Biden White House.

Well - do they...?


https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/crop12642592/46828495-w300-h130-o-q75-p5/emily-murphy1.jpg

[August]

They've really scared you sh!tless, haven't they?


They've pissed me off if that is what you mean. Not that its any of your business foreigner.

[Dowly]

Nope, I'm fairly sure I used the word "scared".


Btw, out of pure curiousity: Do you have to make a conscious effort to be this gullible, or does it come naturally?

[Mr Quatro]

Democrat cheaters would have you believe that. Now they are compiling Enemies Lists while simultaneously calling for unity. You folks going to put all 70+ million of us on the list now or wait until you get back into power?

Are we on that list August? :o

Seems that this has happened before I did a search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=compiling+Enemies+Lists&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS922US922&oq=compiling+Enemies+Lists&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Supreme Court justice's wife is compiling 'enemies list' of government workers disloyal to Trump. Ginni Thomas is not just the wife of archconservative Supreme

"Nixon's Enemies List" is the informal name of what started as a list of President of the United States Richard Nixon's major political opponents compiled by ...

Jan 18, 2019 — Former White House aide reveals compiling of Trump 'enemies list' in ... media, creating lists of officials he thought he could and could not trust.

Feb 6, 2020 — Trump reportedly compiling Nixonian "enemies list" as he seeks revenge for impeachment. "Republicans briefed on Trump's thinking believe that ...

and finally we have today's list

2 days ago — ... Ocasio-Cortez to Nazi Germany over 'Trump Sycophants' List ... and other groups of people and infamously compiled lists of enemies of the


Don't give up August ... this will be the craziest election cycle ever soon and very soon :yep:

[Buddahaid]

They've pissed me off if that is what you mean. Not that its any of your business foreigner.

On this forum it's anybody's business.

[August]

Are we on that list August? :ohttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-president-wants-justice-kayleigh-mcenany-says-trump-campaign-has-240-pages-of-sworn-affidavits-proving-voter-frau

Seems that this has happened before I did a search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=compiling+Enemies+Lists&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS922US922&oq=compiling+Enemies+Lists&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8



Somebodies wife, something that happened in the early 1970's and the unverifiable claims of some anonymous officials cannot be compared to the public words of a sitting member of Congress and a rising power in the Democrat party who is calling for direct action against Trump supporters It's gotten so bad that James Carville of all people has had to warn them that it may hurt their cause (read foil their evil plans).


*=otherwise known as fabricated Dem media constructs.

[Mr Quatro]

Somebodies wife, something that happened in the early 1970's and the unverifiable claims of some anonymous officials cannot be compared to the public words of a sitting member of Congress and a rising power in the Democrat party who is calling for direct action against Trump supporters It's gotten so bad that James Carville of all people has had to warn them that it may hurt their cause (read foil their evil plans).


*=otherwise known as fabricated Dem media constructs.

Agreed :up:

It's going to be a real hoot to watch the reversal of the election to the right side (pun intended) :D

[Onkel Neal]

Mail in ballots, extended early voting windows, and automatic registration/voting techniques will doom the Republican party from now on.

In California they mail every registered voter a ballot and invite them to send them back. Yeah, if you lower the bar enough, you get those kind of people opting into voting, people, who if they have to make a tiny effort, will skip voting. Those people are 1000% more likely to vote Democrat. The Democrats know that. That's their secret sauce, and now that Covid blasted the lid off low-effort voting, the Dems will never let that go.


Roughly 57% of registered voters in the state voted early as of Saturday, shattering previous turnout records with one day of voting ahead. The 9.6 million Texans voting early was a 47% increase from the number of early voters in the 2016 general election. About 735,000 more people voted early this year in Texas than voted in the entire 2016 presidential election, including on Election Day.

As soon as I read that, I knew Trumpo was in deep trouble.

Trump is going to lose the election. (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2702828#post2702828)

I don't know enough about each state's process on counting, collecting, auditing, verifying ballots to say if there is enough fraud for the publicized results to be overturned. Maybe but probably not. If there is substantial fraud, it shouldn't be difficult to expose it. If the Trump team cannot expose it, then they lose, simple as that.

[Skybird]

Mail in ballots, extended early voting windows, and automatic registration/voting techniques will doom the Republican party from now on.

In California they mail every registered voter a ballot and invite them to send them back. Yeah, if you lower the bar enough, you get those kind of people opting into voting, people, who if they have to make a tiny effort, will skip voting. Those people are 1000% more likely to vote Democrat. The Democrats know that. That's their secret sauce, and now that Covid blasted the lid off low-effort voting, the Dems will never let that go.



Its hard to believe I read this from you.

[Dowly]

Mail in ballots, extended early voting windows, and automatic registration/voting techniques will doom the Republican party from now on.

In California they mail every registered voter a ballot and invite them to send them back. Yeah, if you lower the bar enough, you get those kind of people opting into voting, people, who if they have to make a tiny effort, will skip voting. Those people are 1000% more likely to vote Democrat. The Democrats know that. That's their secret sauce, and now that Covid blasted the lid off low-effort voting, the Dems will never let that go.It's almost as if conservatives might have to think about changing/updating their platform to fit the times.... nah! Let's blame the dems!

[Jimbuna]

If Trump wins the Georgia recount I think it's important to note Biden will still be over the 270 vote threshold.

[Onkel Neal]

Its hard to believe I read this from you.
I have no idea what that means.


It's almost as if conservatives might have to think about changing/updating their platform to fit the times.... nah! Let's blame the dems!

I'm not blaming anybody, mate. How are the conservatives going to "update" their platform? Champion people to be less responsible and accountable ? Yeah, that would certainly work but that's essentially just moving further left, lord, hard to imagine if that compelled the liberals themselves to run even further left...:timeout:

[August]

If Trump wins the Georgia recount I think it's important to note Biden will still be over the 270 vote threshold.


It's also important to note that Georgia isn't the only state doing a recount. Trump doesn't have to win all his legal challenges to win the election.

[Onkel Neal]

It's also important to note that Georgia isn't the only state doing a recount. Trump doesn't have to win all his legal challenges to win the election.

And if the Trump team is able to find widespread fraud, if this impacts the vote counts and throws the election back to him... you know what the Democrats and their hordes will say? "Trump is stealing the election!"

The irony. :haha: Who ever is losing is stealing the election.

[August]

And if the Trump team is able to find widespread fraud, if this impacts the vote counts and throws the election back to him... you know what the Democrats and their hordes will say? "Trump is stealing the election!"

The irony. :haha: Who ever is losing is stealing the election.


Welcome to the new national normal.

[mapuc]

The political crisis here in Denmark that has arise because of the mink scandal is pure baby food compare to your election crisis

I have not the fantasy to imagine Trump would even think the possibility to make a coup, which was mentioned some pages back.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

I have no idea what that means.


Sky thinks that you are making the big move to his side :haha:

When we all know that you were more in the middle than anyone here.

Don't forget if enough proof can be presented about the blue states cheating it could still go to the SC for a hearing at least.

If the SC agrees the Blue states cheated they could refer the election to the House/Senate and the rules plainly state that each state has one vote each with the Red states outnumbering the blue states ... Trump would win.

I've been wrong before, but I still keep the faith ... I'm still hanging in there.

Never give up :yep:

PS Notice the Biden/Harris gang has not pleaded Russian interference yet and Putin has not graduated Biden yet either :hmmm:

Perhaps Putin knows more than we do :o

[Onkel Neal]

I don't even know what his side is, other than Trump is the Anti-christ with a chainsaw.:arrgh!:

[AVGWarhawk]

It's almost as if conservatives might have to think about changing/updating their platform to fit the times.... nah! Let's blame the dems!

They don't because the current times are not what the Conservatives are about. Progressives they will never be.

[AVGWarhawk]

They've really scared you sh!tless, haven't they?

Concerning unity that Biden is calling for, the better part of 4 years the Democrats have been anything but unifying. There is a laundry list of hate from the Democrats. Maxine Waters the ring leader. They want the country to heal? :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well - do they...?


https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/crop12642592/46828495-w300-h130-o-q75-p5/emily-murphy1.jpg

Of course. They like their jobs that pay well, provide healthcare, and retirement. You bet there will be plenty.

[u crank]

It's almost as if conservatives might have to think about changing/updating their platform to fit the times.... nah! Let's blame the dems!

Well ... why when Democrats don't get their way do they start talking about expanding the Supreme Court, adding states to the Union, changing the way Senators are elected, eliminating the filibuster and getting rid of the Electoral College?

Maybe they should change their 'platform' and try to appeal to a broader segment of the voting public.

[Buddahaid]

It's a lesson for both parties but I fear there is far too much momentum for that to happen.

[August]

Concerning unity that Biden is calling for, the better part of 4 years the Democrats have been anything but unifying. There is a laundry list of hate from the Democrats. Maxine Waters the ring leader. They want the country to heal? :doh:


Dowly doesn't actually believe what he says, he just wants to needle me. Remember this is a guy who wished me dead right here on this forum.

[Dowly]

Concerning unity that Biden is calling for, the better part of 4 years the Democrats have been anything but unifying. There is a laundry list of hate from the Democrats. Maxine Waters the ring leader. They want the country to heal? :doh:
I didn't say anything about unity or healing. If it was up to me, Dems would go all in on trying to prosecute every single one of those who took part in eroding your checks & balances system. Without consequences, the next Trump (or Dem equivalent) will just do the same thing again.


Dowly doesn't actually believe what he says, he just wants to needle me. Remember this is a guy who wished me dead right here on this forum.Oh quit crying, August.

[Buddahaid]

Dowly doesn't actually believe what he says, he just wants to needle me. Remember this is a guy who wished me dead right here on this forum.

Of course, you are completely an innocent victim and never play a bait and switch game attempting to goad others into rules infractions while skirting them yourself. You never ignore being put on the spot and then attempt to put others on the spot with a later post which you hide behind playing the victim.