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A new contender to challenge Trump'S reelection has stepped into the ring. Corona.
If the crisis gets mishandled by the health system and supporting offices, Trump will pay for it. If Corona leads the eocnomy into a recession, Trump will pay for it (traditionally and historically presidents up for relection are paying for the economy going down at the end of their first term).
You can only hope for a pandemic right? :haha:
em2nought
03-01-20, 09:00 AM
You can only hope for a pandemic right? :haha:
The democrats may just have received an answer to their prayers for the ruin of our economy. :03:
http://www.riseoftheeveryman.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/bill-maher-hopes-the-pilot-will-crash-the-plane-551x410.png
Skybird
03-01-20, 09:40 AM
You can only hope for a pandemic right? :haha:
If it wipes Biden, Warren, Sanders away alongside Trump, its a valid option. :D
AVGWarhawk
03-01-20, 04:37 PM
A new contender to challenge Trump'S reelection has stepped into the ring. Corona.
If the crisis gets mishandled by the health system and supporting offices, Trump will pay for it. If Corona leads the eocnomy into a recession, Trump will pay for it (traditionally and historically presidents up for relection are paying for the economy going down at the end of their first term).
I'm sorry, no. This is similar to blaming Trump for the flu epidemic that happens yearly. People who die of cancer daily. Investors are spooked and this has historically happened in the past. There is one other element, it is an election year. There is a socialist leading the pack for the Democrats. At any rate, historically after a market downturn from a widespread illness the market re-coops. This downturn could be explained away as the "correction" the financial analyst claim was coming.
https://i.imgur.com/y9wBOcW.jpg
AVGWarhawk
03-01-20, 04:39 PM
The democrats may just have received an answer to their prayers for the ruin of our economy. :03:
http://www.riseoftheeveryman.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/bill-maher-hopes-the-pilot-will-crash-the-plane-551x410.png
Oddly enough...OBAMA claimed this roaring economy as his. Will he take the hit if it dies? Asking for a friend.
Onkel Neal
03-01-20, 11:38 PM
Buitygieg is out, Warren is next.
Jimbuna
03-02-20, 09:17 AM
The deciding candidate will be between Sanders and Den.
Trump will beat the winner.
Mr Quatro
03-02-20, 09:43 AM
The deciding candidate will be between Sanders and Den.
Trump will beat the winner.
Sanders an Biden you mean :yep:
Darn we never got to meet Buitygieg's husband :haha:
Jimbuna
03-02-20, 12:37 PM
Sanders an Biden you mean :yep:
Darn we never got to meet Buitygieg's husband :haha:
Yes, Sanders and Biden.
Chasten Buttigieg https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/01/politics/chasten-buttigieg-speech-pete-buttigieg-exit/index.html
Onkel Neal
03-02-20, 02:19 PM
Klobuchar out.
Looks like the DNC has mandated the "moderates" bail and coalesce behind Creepy Joe.
AVGWarhawk
03-02-20, 02:47 PM
Klobuchar out.
Looks like the DNC has mandated the "moderates" bail and coalesce behind Creepy Joe.
Nailed it! :up:
AVGWarhawk
03-02-20, 02:49 PM
Buitygieg is out, Warren is next.
If Warren would extend her hand as VP to Sanders...:hmmm:
Buitygieg is out, Warren is next.
Not yet. Klobachar just quit and endorsed Biden. Apparently Obama had a call to her as well. This is the Democrat establishment trying to head off Bernie. Not sure if it will be effective though. If they succeed the Bernie Bros are going to be pretty mad about it.
AVGWarhawk
03-02-20, 04:44 PM
Not yet. Klobachar just quit and endorsed Biden. Apparently Obama had a call to her as well. This is the Democrat establishment trying to head off Bernie. Not sure if it will be effective though. If they succeed the Bernie Bros are going to be pretty mad about it.
https://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/angryoldman.jpg
And another Democrat hope turns sour.
Dow, S&P and Nasdaq score biggest point gains ever as stocks make coronavirus comeback
The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose over 1,294 points or 5 percent in what is the biggest point gain ever. Ditto for the S&P 500 and Nasdaq from a point gain of 136 and 384 points respectively.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-stocks-march-2-2020
Jimbuna
03-03-20, 08:38 AM
Not looking too good for the US version of Corbyn/Steptoe.
Onkel Neal
03-03-20, 09:41 AM
Well, I for one am voting Bernie. Have to say this is where we are headed, so why delay the pain. Better to get it over with, endure a few years of commie paradise and then join the New American Revolution. :yeah:
Also, as soon as Bernie turns on the free college, I will be going for my doctorate. Why not, I have time. :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
03-03-20, 09:50 AM
Biden taps Beto for gun control? Another failed politician....:doh:
Skybird
03-03-20, 10:19 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/03/economy/federal-reserve-rate-cut/index.html
More devaluing of money, if you think it to the end. Bubbles get blown up further. Stock price numbers get artifically boosted. Price and value should be seen strictly different, however.
The less a coin means, the more coins you have to give for something.
Jeff-Groves
03-03-20, 03:31 PM
Well, I for one am voting Bernie.
Another Vote that is going down the toilet.
Buddahaid
03-03-20, 04:01 PM
Sure. Let the Republicans back someone other than Trump and I'd likely vote the ticket. As it is the toilet is already in office and the plumbing has blacked up.
- He's the only one who can beat Trump
- She has was it take to take on Trump
- He can beat Trump
Throughout the day I have now and then seen some news coverage on the Dem election and one of our news channel's journalist who's in USA was interviewing some supporters to Bernie, some female candidate(forgot her name) and Joe.
It was not like which type of President they would be, if they won both this election and the Presidential election.
Only type of answers like "My father is stronger than your father" -type of answer.
Is that common in USA ?
Markus
Well, I for one am voting Bernie. Have to say this is where we are headed, so why delay the pain. Better to get it over with, endure a few years of commie paradise and then join the New American Revolution. :yeah:
Also, as soon as Bernie turns on the free college, I will be going for my doctorate. Why not, I have time. :shucks:
"Free" to you and Comrade Bernie means paid for by the taxpayers. Nothing personal Neal but I don't want to pay for your damned education. If you Neo-Bolsheviks actually get into office and I am forced to pay for it, along with all the other "free" things they will dump on us, it will only make me resent both them, and you to a pretty extreme degree.
Speaking of Bernie. Leon Panetta is on MSDNC right now claiming that the worrisome thing about Bernie possibly winning the nomination is not that he's a Socialist or that his programs will bankrupt the nation and cause massive civil strife. No none of that is important. What IS important to Leon is that Comrade Bernie might "not be able to beat Trump" and that he could "damage the party" trying to do so. No mention of the what would be best for the American people, oh no, the party always comes first.
Mr Quatro
03-03-20, 08:24 PM
If Bernie wins, and I don't think he will, it will be called
"The Changing of America"
instead of make "America great again"
No way will the DNC allow Bernie to run against Trump :o
Buddahaid
03-03-20, 08:28 PM
"Free" to you and Comrade Bernie means paid for by the taxpayers. Nothing personal Neal but I don't want to pay for your damned education. If you Neo-Bolsheviks actually get into office and I am forced to pay for it, along with all the other "free" things they will dump on us, it will only make me resent both them, and you to a pretty extreme degree.
Speaking of Bernie. Leon Panetta is on MSDNC right now claiming that the worrisome thing about Bernie possibly winning the nomination is not that he's a Socialist or that his programs will bankrupt the nation and cause massive civil strife. No none of that is important. What IS important to Leon is that Comrade Bernie might "not be able to beat Trump" and that he could "damage the party" trying to do so. No mention of the what would be best for the American people, oh no, the party always comes first.
And now it's the right wing bleating again about how the country will be ruined instead of the left wing. The seesaw tilts again and nothing much changes.
And now it's the right wing bleating again about how the country will be ruined instead of the left wing. The seesaw tilts again and nothing much changes.
The seesaw has been oscillating with increasing force lately. At some point it will jump off the fulcrum.
Buddahaid
03-03-20, 09:59 PM
I doubt it. That's more like what the the media, social or otherwise, would like us to think.
Onkel Neal
03-03-20, 10:11 PM
Sure. Let the Republicans back someone other than Trump and I'd likely vote the ticket. As it is the toilet is already in office and the plumbing has blacked up.
:hmmm: What's that? Calling Dr. Freudian.
"Free" to you and Comrade Bernie means paid for by the taxpayers. Nothing personal Neal but I don't want to pay for your damned education. If you Neo-Bolsheviks actually get into office and I am forced to pay for it, along with all the other "free" things they will dump on us, it will only make me resent both them, and you to a pretty extreme degree.
That will be Dr. Neal, if you please. :shucks:
Jimbuna
03-04-20, 08:52 AM
Yesterday was obviously a good day for Biden, winning nine of the fourteen states. If he keeps that up I would expect him to be the Democrat contender but I doubt he will beat Trump.
I don't have a horse in this race but reading this thread helps me to understand US politics a little better.
u crank
03-04-20, 09:21 AM
Yesterday was obviously a good day for Biden, winning nine of the fourteen states.
Joe had a good day. Big losers ...Warren and Bloomberg.
Jimbuna
03-04-20, 09:44 AM
Joe had a good day. Big losers ...Warren and Bloomberg.
Can't see either of them backing Bernie if they drop out.
Mr Quatro
03-04-20, 10:18 AM
Can't see either of them backing Bernie if they drop out.
Don't be too sure of that sometimes men and women drop out if given a promise to be int their cabinet.
Remember Hillary has already thrown her hat in the ring for Sanders which could indicate that she is willing to be his running mate (vice president) :yep:
Obama has yet to give his blessing to anyone for some reason :o
Mr Quatro
03-04-20, 10:45 AM
Michael Bloomberg ends his presidential bid
The billionaire had a disappointing showing on Super Tuesday
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-bloomberg-suspends-presidential-campaign/story?id=67498506
In the first 100 days of his campaign, Bloomberg spent more than half a billion dollars of his estimated $60 billion fortune on his campaign,
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 11:29 AM
Michael Bloomberg ends his presidential bid
The billionaire had a disappointing showing on Super Tuesday
Thank God! I was getting real tired of his BS adds on TV!
'Rebuilt NYC after 911'
As I recall it NYC was NOT destroyed!
:roll:
Onkel Neal
03-04-20, 11:54 AM
Well, I guess the choices boil down to Trump vs Biden now. :hmmm:
Obama has yet to give his blessing to anyone for some reason :o
The ex-President does not want to risk backing a loser. Now that Biden has a clear field, expect Obama to come out in support.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 12:13 PM
Well, I guess the choices boil down to Trump vs Biden now. :hmmm:
The ex-President does not want to risk backing a loser.
So You expect to see Obama back Trump?
:har:
If Bernie wins, and I don't think he will, it will be called
"The Changing of America"
instead of make "America great again"
No way will the DNC allow Bernie to run against Trump :o
If Sanders should win this partial Dem election(Ballout I think you call it)
If you are right, that DNC will not allow Bernie to run for President..isn't that mocking them who have put their vote on Bernie ?
Markus
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 12:58 PM
I'm going to vote on the pouting platform.
https://www.politicususa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/trump-pout.jpg
https://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/angryoldman.jpg
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:03 PM
Well, I guess the choices boil down to Trump vs Biden now. :hmmm:
Easy choice. Biden said he is running for the Senate. You dog faced lying pony soldier!!! Kids like the hair on his legs and sitting on his lap. So there is that.
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:07 PM
Thank God! I was getting real tired of his BS adds on TV!
'Rebuilt NYC after 911'
As I recall it NYC was NOT destroyed!
:roll:
Guilliani was mayor during and after 911. Bloomberg taking credit for rebuilding after 911 is a stretch.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 01:09 PM
pony soldier!!!
Why are you insulting the Pony Soldiers?
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:10 PM
Don't be too sure of that sometimes men and women drop out if given a promise to be int their cabinet.
Remember Hillary has already thrown her hat in the ring for Sanders which could indicate that she is willing to be his running mate (vice president) :yep:
Obama has yet to give his blessing to anyone for some reason :o
Hillary has not backed Sanders. She still says his campaign is bologna. She is right for once.
Obama does not want to associate himself with his own VP. That is very telling.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 01:10 PM
Guilliani was mayor during and after 911. Bloomberg taking credit for rebuilding after 911 is a stretch.
My point EXACTLY!
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:11 PM
Why are you insulting the Pony Soldiers?
No Biden did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwVrg6UtxXQ
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 01:14 PM
Ah. Sorry. I took your post out of context.
Yeah he's the one that dishonored the Pony Soldiers.
I'd expect him to say the Red Tails were just lucky suckers.
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:15 PM
My point EXACTLY!
:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
His commercial made me want to puke. But, hey, thanks for the millions put into the economy with the stupid commercials. Now, Bloomberg should go out and spend his billions helping others...after all...he portrayed himself as wanting to help America and the common peon.
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:17 PM
And now it's the right wing bleating again about how the country will be ruined instead of the left wing. The seesaw tilts again and nothing much changes.
I asked myself if I'm better off in the past 3 years of Trump than the past 8 year of Obama. With a resounding yes, I am. Something has after changed for me and many others I know.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 01:21 PM
:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
thanks for the millions put into the economy with the stupid commercials.
That money only went to the media outlets.
Sure some actors got a small pay check.
Now we get to see where he puts his money!
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:23 PM
Well, I for one am voting Bernie. Have to say this is where we are headed, so why delay the pain. Better to get it over with, endure a few years of commie paradise and then join the New American Revolution. :yeah:
Also, as soon as Bernie turns on the free college, I will be going for my doctorate. Why not, I have time. :shucks:
Bernie has no chance. There are only so many voting college kids. No one will back him.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 01:27 PM
No one will back him.
Uh, Those that think a free ride comes FREE will back him.
What they don't see is there is NEVER such a thing as a free ride.
He talks a Game to get elected.
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:30 PM
That money only went to the media outlets.
Sure some actors got a small pay check.
Now we get to see where he puts his money!
His money will not be spent on anything but himself.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 01:33 PM
His money will not be spent on anything but himself.
I'd like to see exactly how much he spent to 'REBUILD NYC'
that he didn't make a profit off of.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 01:36 PM
What I am seeing is Billionaires now have the highest office if they stay the course.
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 01:49 PM
Uh, Those that think a free ride comes FREE will back him.
What they don't see is there is NEVER such a thing as a free ride.
He talks a Game to get elected.
I was speaking of the other candidates. None will back Bernie. None have. Warren will not either. As Hillary said in 2016 and still today...Bernies campaign is bologni.
Mr Quatro
03-04-20, 03:04 PM
Looks like Hillary does hate Bernie, but she doesn't like Biden either:
https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/03/hillary-clinton-wont-endorse-joe-biden-yet-gma-super-tuesday-bernie/
Hillary Clinton is at our doorstep once again -- but she's still sitting on a fence politically ... not quite ready to endorse Joe Biden, and per usual, taking shots at Bernie Sanders.
The former Secretary of State walked into the ABC Studios Tuesday in NYC, where she was set to plug the new Hulu doc about her life, "Hillary," while also talking shop on a day folks in 14 states are voting in their respective Democratic primaries. No endorsements, though.
HC was asked why she hadn't gotten behind Biden yet, as so many others did on Monday night -- including several ex-candidates like Buttigieg, Klobuchar and O'Rourke.
She says it's still early in the game, and it sounds like she's waiting to see who the country ultimately picks before offering her support. FWIW, Barack hasn't endorsed anyone either.
As for her old friend Senator Sanders ... still no love lost there.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 03:36 PM
I'm still baffled as to why anyone gives a crap what SHE thinks.
Had I been married to her? I be in prison for murder.
SHE is Evil incarnate!
AVGWarhawk
03-04-20, 04:08 PM
I'm still baffled as to why anyone gives a crap what SHE thinks.
Had I been married to her? I be in prison for murder.
SHE is Evil incarnate!
Sadly many do listen to Hillary.
Jeff-Groves
03-04-20, 06:36 PM
Sadly many do listen to Hillary.
Pretty sure Bill said that years ago and your plagiarizing!
:har:
Onkel Neal
03-05-20, 11:56 AM
Pocahontas is out. (https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiELbmfWfD37tQb1llo2-EqfgqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow2Nb3CjDivdcCMP3ungY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen) We can all breathe easier now.
u crank
03-05-20, 12:19 PM
Pocahontas is out. (https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiELbmfWfD37tQb1llo2-EqfgqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow2Nb3CjDivdcCMP3ungY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen) We can all breathe easier now.
Be interesting to see who her supporters gravitate to.
AVGWarhawk
03-05-20, 01:25 PM
Pocahontas is out. (https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiELbmfWfD37tQb1llo2-EqfgqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow2Nb3CjDivdcCMP3ungY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen) We can all breathe easier now.
We had reservations about her anyway. :)
Mr Quatro
03-05-20, 02:34 PM
Be interesting to see who her supporters gravitate to.
She wasn't very sincere to me everything she said was geared toward just getting votes like free student loans and remember she was also going to give us all free medicare just like Bernie.
When she talked it was like a teacher using her finger nails on the black board trying o tell you something you didn't want to hear in the first place :yep:
AVGWarhawk
03-05-20, 02:41 PM
Liz Warren...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/3b/bc/b63bbc6a4ea7c8bed2bd89dad15eae26.png
Skybird
03-05-20, 02:58 PM
Be interesting to see who her supporters gravitate to.
Its down to age preference now. Some will prefer the deep wisdom that comes with 78 years of life in the madhouse, while others will tend to embrace the energy and vitality of a just a 77 year old teenage boy.
That makes Trump the newborn in the league (73).
Onkel Neal
03-05-20, 03:16 PM
She wasn't very sincere to me everything she said was geared toward just getting votes like free student loans and remember she was also going to give us all free medicare just like Bernie.
When she talked it was like a teacher using her finger nails on the black board trying o tell you something you didn't want to hear in the first place :yep:
Yeah, she was all in favor of forgiving student debt (taxpayer foots the bill) and making college more affordable, as in free, (taxpayer foots the bill, again) but I never heard her mention the real reason college costs are insane: professors and teachers like her making exorbitant salaries. Never heard her suggest that the university staffs should pay for these expense reimbursements or lower their crazy salaries.
Towards the end of her tenure as a Harvard law professor, she only taught one course during her final three semesters. For her final four semesters, in 2010 and 2011, her gross salary from Harvard was more than $400,000.:nope: Liberal hypocrite.
Be interesting to see who her supporters gravitate to.
She hasn't said who she will endorse yet and I believe the DNC told her to stay in the race until after super tuesday in order to divide the socialist vote and insure a Biden win, just like they told Buttigeg and Klobachar to quit before ST for the same reason.
Liawatha isn't a true believer like Bernie. She is a political chameleon who will go with anyone who can advance her career, which at this point is now limited to the US Senate. If she doesn't want to be primaried in her next senate election she has to play ball with the Dem establishment.
Jimbuna
03-06-20, 07:37 AM
She aligns more with Sanders than Biden on policy but only time will tell.
u crank
03-06-20, 08:05 AM
Liawatha isn't a true believer like Bernie. She is a political chameleon who will go with anyone who can advance her career, which at this point is now limited to the US Senate. If she doesn't want to be primaried in her next senate election she has to play ball with the Dem establishment.
She aligns more with Sanders than Biden on policy but only time will tell.
It isn't Bernie's policies that Democrats don't like. For the most part they are all in with almost everything Sanders is selling. They don't like Bernie personally because of his history and his rhetoric but there isn't much difference in the political philosophy.
Bernie and his supporters will again cry foul if Sanders is denied. But it is Sanders' own fault. He is not a Democrat and he is very open about destroying the Democrat party and replacing it with something else. How did he think they would respond?
AVGWarhawk
03-06-20, 09:19 AM
She aligns more with Sanders than Biden on policy but only time will tell.
Jim, Lizzy aligned with what people wanted to hear. Bernie does the same. In fact, they all say what they believe votes want to hear. This practice has gone on for decades and the American voters still fall for it.
Jimbuna
03-06-20, 09:40 AM
Jim, Lizzy aligned with what people wanted to hear. Bernie does the same. In fact, they all say what they believe votes want to hear. This practice has gone on for decades and the American voters still fall for it.
Believe me Chris, the UK is no different :yep:
Mr Quatro
03-06-20, 10:48 AM
It isn't Bernie's policies that Democrats don't like. For the most part they are all in with almost everything Sanders is selling. They don't like Bernie personally because of his history and his rhetoric but there isn't much difference in the political philosophy.
Bernie and his supporters will again cry foul if Sanders is denied. But it is Sanders' own fault. He is not a Democrat and he is very open about destroying the Democrat party and replacing it with something else. How did he think they would respond?
Your usually right u crank, but this time I'm going with why the DNC is against Bernie being too socialist not just today, but from the beginning.
Bernie's theories won't work and he has never proven that he can get anything done besides mobilize a lot of other poor people into supporting him with small donations.
Bernie can't win due to he is completely opposite of Trump making it one of those who should lead the country into the next quarter century.
Remember a lot of voters will decide in the next few months and the GOP will pull the plug on socialism if Bernie is the candidate, but good old sleepy Joe is their man and he can't win either.
Mr Quatro
03-06-20, 10:56 AM
So this is the real reason why President Obama moved to the east coast :hmmm:
https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/joe-biden-says-hed-want-michelle-obama-to-be-his-running-mate/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site+buttons&utm_campaign=site+buttons&fbclid=IwAR3ly50ccibbTC_HQToI5j3x11ygzianiFxVdnlkA riNejV08S6fanj0yC8
Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden this week reaffirmed his desire to have former first lady Michelle Obama be his running mate.
“I sure would like Michelle [Obama] to be the vice president,” Biden said Tuesday at a campaign stop in Muscatine, Iowa.
Buddahaid
03-06-20, 12:49 PM
I fail to see how where one has their primary residence makes any difference unless running for local office.
Jim, Lizzy aligned with what people wanted to hear. Bernie does the same. In fact, they all say what they believe votes want to hear. This practice has gone on for decades and the American voters still fall for it.
Ok maybe there's a different between American politicians and its politics and European.
´cause here the politicians do know what their voters want to hear.
Markus
Buddahaid
03-06-20, 01:02 PM
What other choice is there. There's no falling for it, it's the only game out there for all parties and candidates.
AVGWarhawk
03-06-20, 02:33 PM
Believe me Chris, the UK is no different :yep:
It truly is astonishing. Election after election the same song and dance. Nothing is done. Free college? Really? Don't drink the Kool Aid. Free healthcare for all. Where have we heard this? Well, way back during Bill Clinton's administration Hillary was heading up a universal healthcare program for all. Still don' have it yet all running are talking a good game about it. Many run to voting booth so the government can pay their mortgage. No wait, that was an Obama support who believed Obama would pay her mortgage. :doh:
AVGWarhawk
03-06-20, 02:36 PM
What other choice is there. There's no falling for it, it's the only game out there for all parties and candidates.
So voters vote for it and sit back instead of holding these idiots accountable? Yes, yes they do and the cycle continues with blowing smoke up their rear ends. These politicians laugh all the way to millions in retirement funds, a pension and their free healthcare.
Free healthcare for all. Where have we heard this?
Just to the north in Canada. :03:
Or, most of Europe. :yep:
It isn't free health care. Its single payer heath care subsided by the tax payers.
Kinda like the VA without active duty time.
The real problem is the pharmaceutical companies and doctor organizations drop a green brick in their pants when they hear it. "Single payer" means one entity has a massive amount of bargaining power.
AVGWarhawk
03-06-20, 03:35 PM
Just to the north in Canada. :03:
Or, most of Europe. :yep:
It isn't free health care. Its single payer heath care subsided by the tax payers.
Kinda like the VA without active duty time.
The real problem is the pharmaceutical companies and doctor organizations drop a green brick in their pants when they hear it. "Single payer" means one entity has a massive amount of bargaining power.
Big Pharma is an issue for sure. By and large we need tort reform as well.
Big Pharma is an issue for sure. By and large we need tort reform as well.
Tort reform usually means limiting how much the little guy can be awarded in compensation.
Onkel Neal
03-08-20, 07:30 PM
Trump :haha:
https://youtu.be/KZf91qlu5nI
vs
Biden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4qvO0StKto
Sailor Steve
03-08-20, 10:46 PM
It isn't free health care. Its single payer heath care subsided by the tax payers.
Kinda like the VA without active duty time.
Yep :yep:
I spend half my time these days visiting the VA Medical Center.
The other half is spent feeling guilty because I'm not paying for it.
em2nought
03-09-20, 02:19 AM
Oh man, I really, really, really want one of those "MAGA" surgical masks. :up::D
Skybird
03-09-20, 06:38 AM
Subsim General Topics knows this underhanded tactic all too well. Its usually called "ripping quotes out of context".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51799366
Rockstar
03-09-20, 01:46 PM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/900761/trump-retweets-white-house-photo-fiddling-says-doesnt-know-what-means
Trump retweets White House photo of him fiddling, says he doesn't know 'what this means'
(https://theweek.com/speedreads/900761/trump-retweets-white-house-photo-fiddling-says-doesnt-know-what-means)
March 8, 2020
If anybody else had tweeted a doctored photo of President Trump playing the fiddle as the new coronavirus spreads throughout the U.S. and wreaks havoc on the U.S. and global economies, the White House would probably protest vociferously. When White House social media director Dan Scavino tweeted out such a photo, saying Trump's next tune is "Nothing can stop what's coming," though, Trump retweeted it with the message: "Who knows what this means, but it sounds good to me!'"Who knows what this means, but it sounds good to me! https://t.co/rQVA4ER0PV
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 8, 2020 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1236778368533700609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Trump, of course, wasn't playing the violin over the weekend — he was playing golf at his private club (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/08/after-stopping-cdc-his-way-mar-a-lago-trump-heads-golf-course-two-days-row/) in Florida. And since historical and cultural references to leaders fiddling are scarce, especially in times of disaster, lots of people on social media had no problem identifying what they believed the meme meant. Some were curious why Scavino tweeted it, however, or why Trump retweeted it.After your followers google "nero" and "fiddle," they're going to demand you fire Dan Scavino for sabotaging you this way.
— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) March 8, 2020 (https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1236785486225686529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Scavino is a federal employee — not a member of Trump's campaign, despite his normal posts — so maybe he's trying to warn Americans about the mood in the White House. Whatever it means, it sounds good to Trump. Which is another way of saying: Wash your hands thoroughly for 20 seconds with soap, and try not to touch your face. Peter Weber (https://theweek.com/authors/peter-weber)
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/a44fa255.jpg :yeah:
Yep :yep:
I spend half my time these days visiting the VA Medical Center.
The other half is spent feeling guilty because I'm not paying for it.
You paid for it as soon as you stuck your right hand on your heart at the MEPS station. At least, you paid for the insurance policy.
:Kaleun_Cheers:
Think about it, we made ourselves available to get our ### shot off.
Another way to think of it was all of those long hours for low pay.
I dealt with some of that VA guilt when I first enrolled. I think they almost count on us wanting to be the last guy in line.
Rockstar
03-09-20, 03:05 PM
You paid for it as soon as you stuck your right hand on your heart at the MEPS station. At least, you paid for the insurance policy.
:Kaleun_Cheers:
Think about it, we made ourselves available to get our ### shot off.
Another way to think of it was all of those long hours for low pay.
I dealt with some of that VA guilt when I first enrolled. I think they almost count on us wanting to be the last guy in line.
This is true. It isn't free healthcare, it was part of the contract we all signed. You fulfilled your contractual obligations, they are fulfilling theirs. Though reading the fine print none of it is guaranteed it is and will always remain a privilege.
em2nought
03-09-20, 05:10 PM
I was thinking I should at least go to the VA once just in case I really need to go later. :hmmm:
Mr Quatro
03-09-20, 05:32 PM
I was thinking I should at least go to the VA once just in case I really need to go later. :hmmm:
Call first for your three (3) months from now appointment
I just went last Monday and they asked me if I wanted to come back in four (4) months or (6) months.
I said I could be dead in (6) months and they said, "We know" :o
@ Steve just count yourself lucky that you made it this far :up:
Think of all the poor souls that can't complain now :yep:
em2nought;
That's a tricky subject, at least in this topic. :03:
I enrolled due to what looked like a catastrophic condition (which it turned out it was) and my home state dropped the ball. So I wound up moving to another state where at least the VA wanted to see me.
I lucked out, I wound up with a really good Neurologist who got me on the right meds. :up:
So, this is the part that gets tricky. Yes, you want to at least "check in" with your VA.
Please, don't do it for that whopping VA pension. It is what EVERYONE is going to assume most of the time. :doh: For the record, I was advised to file for the service-connected gravy train but I turned it down. The VA covers my meds and tests and I get a very basic pension out of the deal. We're all happy that way. :up:
Find a good guy (or gal) to act as your VA Rep. You'll find them usually at your local DAV or Legion hall. Make sure they understand what you want and what is important to you. This is a no BS zone and you only get one chance if you get caught making stuff up. Once you fry your credibility, you're on your own. Make sure you can find your DD-214 form from when you were discharged. If you can't find it, don't panic. Your Rep can get a copy based on your SSN but it can take longer.
Onkel Neal
03-09-20, 08:03 PM
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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10h
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1237027356314869761
Is that Trump for real? :o My god!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1237027356314869761
Is that Trump for real? :o My god!
Is what Trump said not true?
I had the flu already this year. Wasn't so bad for me, a relatively fit 60 year old or most people but it can be tough on the elderly and the infirm, just like Corona is so far shaping up to be, but without, again so far, the annual body count we get from the flu.
What are you looking for him to say instead? Generate a panic, declare martial law, mandatory isolation for everyone? What?
Build a wall? :Kaleun_Wink:
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Sailor Steve
03-09-20, 09:21 PM
You paid for it as soon as you stuck your right hand on your heart at the MEPS station.
That's along the lines of my quick exchange with our CC (Company Commander, the equivalent of every other service's DI). We were sitting around shooting the breeze when he asked for volunteers for a work detail. I loudly said "Never volunteer!" He came back with "The Navy doesn't have a draft. You volunteered the day you signed on the dotted line."
Salt Lake City must have the best VA in the country. Not only can I always get help, sometimes it's hard to get rid of them. In the last year they've kept constant reign on my liver problem, never stopped trying to find what's wrong with my intestines, paid for a rehab company to come to my apartment when I refused to go to live-in rehab, and given me two new lenses, effectively giving me the best vision I've ever had. They've constantly dumped expensive equipment in my lap - a CPAP machine, various forms of compression equipment to help with the swelling in my legs, a pump suit I have to strap myself into to perform the same function over my whole lower body, and a walker that helps me by getting in the way all the time. This is not to mention the test equipment and insulin plus injection pens for the same. Like Joe Walsh said, "I can't complain, but sometimes I still do."
Onkel Neal
03-09-20, 09:42 PM
Is what Trump said not true?
I had the flu already this year. Wasn't so bad for me, a relatively fit 60 year old or most people but it can be tough on the elderly and the infirm, just like Corona is so far shaping up to be, but without, again so far, the annual body count we get from the flu.
What are you looking for him to say instead? Generate a panic, declare martial law, mandatory isolation for everyone? What?
August, I'm not gonna argue with you, you're a true believer and nothing I can say will make any difference. We're on two different wavelengths. No, I don't want the President to generate a panic.
But I am glad to hear you beat the flu. I've never had it, crossing my fingers.
August, I'm not gonna argue with you, you're a true believer and nothing I can say will make any difference. We're on two different wavelengths. No, I don't want the President to generate a panic.
WTH does my political leanings have to do with it? I asked you if what he said was correct or not. Seems to me it is perfectly appropriate for him to draw comparisons with the flu but since you seem to disagree I am interested in what has got you so freaked out. Or is it just because it's Trump saying it?
But I am glad to hear you beat the flu. I've never had it, crossing my fingers.
You are in your 50's iirc and you've never had the flu, not even once? I find that difficult to believe. I've probably gotten it at least 40-50 times in my life so far.
Onkel Neal
03-09-20, 10:10 PM
WTH does my political leanings have to do with it? I asked you if what he said was correct or not. Seems to me it is perfectly appropriate for him to draw comparisons with the flu but since you seem to disagree I am interested in what has got you so freaked out. Or is it just because it's Trump saying it?
It's obvious Trump is projecting the attitude that the flu kills many more people than covid-19 has at this point so people should relax, covid-19 is not as dangerous as the flu we already deal with annually. Which is a incredibly stupid and irresponsible thing to say. It freaks me out that the President - even Donald Trump - would say something that dumb. I mean, I have gotten use to waking up each day with the realization that Donald Trump is the President of the United States (still probably better than the alternative but hmmm....) and it's not a Simpsons joke, but when he goes and says something like that, it keeps eclipsing my sense of incredulity. He can draw comparisons all he wants but let's see what he says in the next few weeks.
You are in your 50's iirc and you've never had the flu, not even once? I find that difficult to believe. I've probably gotten it at least 40-50 times in my life so far.
Influenza A, B, or C? Not to my knowledge. If I did the symptoms were too mild to notice. I've had a cold before but never influenza, which a completely different thing.
Buddahaid
03-09-20, 10:47 PM
He can draw comparisons all he wants but let's see what he says in the next few weeks.
Mike Pence will be fired for not stopping the pandemic with tough language. Billions in contracts will be awarded to his cronies to develop new snake oil remedies etc. Nothing will be his fault because everybody around him was giving him bad advice. He will personally close the barn doors but fail to see the cows are long gone. And finally, he'll twitter Covid-19 into oblivion which may actually work because even a virus can see what an idiot he is and die laughing.
em2nought
03-10-20, 12:00 AM
em2nought;
That's a tricky subject, at least in this topic. :03:
I enrolled due to what looked like a catastrophic condition (which it turned out it was) and my home state dropped the ball. So I wound up moving to another state where at least the VA wanted to see me.
I lucked out, I wound up with a really good Neurologist who got me on the right meds. :up:
So, this is the part that gets tricky. Yes, you want to at least "check in" with your VA.
Please, don't do it for that whopping VA pension. It is what EVERYONE is going to assume most of the time. :doh: For the record, I was advised to file for the service-connected gravy train but I turned it down. The VA covers my meds and tests and I get a very basic pension out of the deal. We're all happy that way. :up:
Find a good guy (or gal) to act as your VA Rep. You'll find them usually at your local DAV or Legion hall. Make sure they understand what you want and what is important to you. This is a no BS zone and you only get one chance if you get caught making stuff up. Once you fry your credibility, you're on your own. Make sure you can find your DD-214 form from when you were discharged. If you can't find it, don't panic. Your Rep can get a copy based on your SSN but it can take longer.
I'm in their system already, I've just never gone to them for anything ever. I've found it easier to just get a check up and prescriptions in foreign countries until now when travel "might" be suspended. A pension wouldn't be something I'd be looking for, I have no service related disability.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1237027356314869761
Is that Trump for real? :o My god!
Hmm...
Seems to be a sentiment a lot of people (voters) are asking of late, a good many of the members of the GOP:
Republican Mayor Drops Donald Trump for Joe Biden in Key Swing State of Michigan --
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-mayor-drops-donald-trump-joe-biden-key-swing-state-michigan-1491355
There are a lot of moderate GOP voters who have had more than enough of the Chump-in Chief and are mulling over making a switch come November...
I've said it before: Trump is his own worst enemy. I have little doubt he will say and/or do something to torpedo his chance at reelection...
The truly sad thing for the GOP is he will probably take down the GOP Senate majority with him and cripple the GOP for the foreseeable future...
BTW, in the CA Primary, I voted for Bloomberg; you know, a real billionaire who has an actual successful track record in business, who in the last year alone has donated to charity a total amount (USD $3.3 Billion) almost as large as Trump's claimed total fortune and who has, overall in his life has donated to charity more than double Trump's claimed total fortune, some USD $9.5 Billion. I know Bloomberg has withdrawn from the race, but, you know, I actually felt good about voting for Bloomberg. I wonder how many of the voters who cast votes for the Idiot-in-Chief in 2016 will feel good about voting for him again, especially without an extremely poor alternative such as was Clinton? Biden may not be the very best candidate, but, in the November election, even he couldn't be the worst candidate...
<O>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4e7A60DBPo
The Trump Administration Is Stalling an Intel Report That Warns the U.S. Isn’t Ready for a Global Pandemic --
An annual intelligence report that has been postponed without explanation by President Donald Trump’s administration warns that the U.S. remains unprepared for a global pandemic, two senior government officials who have reviewed a draft of the report tell TIME.
...
The final draft of the report remains classified but the two officials who have read it say it contains warnings similar to those in the last installment, which was published on January 29, 2019. The 2019 report warns on page 29 that, “The United States will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large-scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support.”
The 2019 warning was the third time in as many years that the nation’s intelligence experts said that a new strain of influenza could lead to a pandemic, and that the U.S. and the world were unprepared. “Although the international community has made tenuous improvements to global health security, these gains may be inadequate to address the challenge of what we anticipate will be more frequent outbreaks of infectious diseases because of rapid unplanned urbanization, prolonged humanitarian crises, human incursion into previously unsettled land, expansion of international travel and trade, and regional climate change,” the 2019 threat assessment warned.
Rather than acting on these recurrent warnings and bolstering America’s ability to respond to an outbreak, the Trump administration has instead cut back money and personnel from pandemic preparedness. In May 2018, Trump’s aides dismissed the National Security Council’s global health security staff and moved to cut its budget. The White House also cut the budgets of the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Health and Human Services, and closed the federal government’s $30 million Complex Crises Fund.
...
[Bold text and italics mine...]
The third warning in three years...
Hmm...
Say, wait a minute... hasn't Trump been in office a little over three years?...
Must be a coincidence...
Like I said, his own worst enemy...
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Onkel Neal
03-10-20, 08:09 AM
Man, oil cratering, stock market cratering, pandemic in the US; all 8 months before an election. Biden can put his campaign on cruise control.
Man, oil cratering, stock market cratering, pandemic in the US; all 8 months before an election. Biden can put his campaign on cruise control.
I wouldn't go that far, but things are definitely looking less than certain for Trump getting four more years...
...unless of course, those years are for the prison sentences he and his spawn face over his and their various illegal tax and business dealings once His Routndness is pried from the Oval Office next January...
"Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up"... :haha:
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Mr Quatro
03-10-20, 09:26 AM
Yea! vienna is back again :up:
Hey, buddy now that your getting older and self admitted to being absent minded.
I don't want you to be locked out of your account so I've arranged for you to use my password.
MAGA 2020 :D :arrgh!::haha:
Rockstar
03-10-20, 09:39 AM
Ya, playing a round of golf and going on like Baghdad Bob didn't help his political future. I do understand what he's trying say as he bumbles about on Twitter. But I cant imagine it gives many others the warm and fuzzies they probably crave right now. Frankly he's just not cut out for it.
However I think the CDC has been on it and offering good recommendations from the get go. The key to success is people taking it seriously and following it. We have some of the best minds in infectious disease medicine and medical facilities in the world working on this.
Skybird
03-10-20, 10:35 AM
Lil' Boy'S comments on the desease control, and on the nature of Corvid 19, saying it is like a flu, reveals an ammount of cluelessness that makes it hard for the nation to swallow his drivel like it usually does. Also, traditionally office holders are accused for economic downturns before elections, whether they are causally responsible for it or not does not matter. Its an empirical thing.
And then the ages of all candidates. 78, 77 and 73, that makes a mean age of 76. :doh: Neither Biden nor Trump nor Sanders really leave an impression of freshness when seeing them doing and acting and talking. Its a country of the walking dead.
Mr Quatro
03-10-20, 10:56 AM
The key to success is people taking it seriously and following it
For sure, for sure like washing your hands, not touching your face, sneeze into your arm, hand sanitizer, stay six (6) feet away from other people,
get plenty of sleep and rest, have cold meds ready to treat at a moments notice, etc.
It always amazes me when people keep doing the same things wrong over and over again and think that it will have a different turn out for them. :o
Ya, playing a round of golf and going on like Baghdad Bob didn't help his political future. I do understand what he's trying say as he bumbles about on Twitter. But I cant imagine it gives many others the warm and fuzzies they probably crave right now. Frankly he's just not cut out for it.
However I think the CDC has been on it and offering good recommendations from the get go. The key to success is people taking it seriously and following it. We have some of the best minds in infectious disease medicine and medical facilities in the world working on this.
The CDC's (and, for that matter, the nation's) problem is, while the CDC is valiantly trying to soldier through the crisis, Trump the Chump and his minions are overruling, denying, and outright banning and censoring the CDC's effort at a considered responsible response in order to shove their own 'science' down the throats of the US public and to keep The Chump happy with his precious "numbers". The upside of all this is now the voters are really getting an actual example of how incompetent, ignorant, mendacious, and grossly unqualified he really is and, as Neal pointed out, really doing all of the heavy lifting for Biden's campaign, or as I put it, Trump is his own worst enemy...
I really feel for those at the CDC having to put up with the whole White House farce...
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Rockstar
03-10-20, 12:53 PM
I dont think he has a disregard for what science or the CDC has revealed about COVID-19. Nor do I think his tweets about the virus are an attempt to be outright confrontational with facts. I just dont believe he's cut out to be in a position of leadership which requires him to listen, weigh the advice of others, develop a plan and at the same time be able to assure the people it will be OK. Whats so disappointing and somewhat scary for me is as a Stamford Advocate article suggests "Trump struggles to calm a nation...", I really think he's doing his best though he struggles at it. When your only claim too fame is a TV program (The Apprentice) where you sit at the head of the table telling people 'your fired' its bound to show.
Thankfully though I think its readily apparent that every member here at Subsim has taken the advice of their own CDC and is still able to get on with life without tweets. Why? I think it's because we are smart enough to know not too focus on the 'show'.
I might add, though some here tend to think the President is our ruler and all knowing overlord, he isn't, we live still in a republic. Now I may be mistaken but it is at this moment in time each states responsibility to track and enforce quarantine. Last time federal intervention occurred was in the early nineteen hundreds.
Man, oil cratering, stock market cratering, pandemic in the US; all 8 months before an election. Biden can put his campaign on cruise control.
Well that's assuming all the doomsdayers like you are wrong and there are enough people left alive to actually have an election right? :03:
I just don't get you Neal. The man is trying to keep public fear of this virus from becoming a panic and people like you seem to be hoping that it can be turned into one and don't try to tell me that there aren't those out there doing just that. You're upset at his flu comparison but other than basically harrumphing your distaste at Bad Orange Man you have any ideas of what he should have said instead.
But i guess your Biden comment means that maybe you don't really care about this virus except as a vehicle to get your establishment candidate back into power so they can raise taxes and get us back to fighting the never ending wars and military adventures that the American political establishment is so fond of.
I mean putting his families corruption aside for a moment, do you really think that Joe Biden has the mental facilities to be President of the United States? The man is obviously senile. You don't recover from that, it only gets worse and four years is a long time.
How is a person who has to limit his speeches to ever shorter bits of time, wants to debate sitting down, threatens voters with violence, can't even put together a coherent sentence for cripes sake going to deal with, say something like this latest emergency?
You don't like Trump saying stupid things? Well your fixing to vote for the all time American grand master of saying stupid things. I look forward to the debates.
Buddahaid
03-10-20, 07:14 PM
And then there is the current White House response.
https://richardwsymonds.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/stop-burying-your-heads-in-the-sand-colleges-education-reform-now-on-ostrich-with-head-in-sand-cartoon.jpg?w=625
Onkel Neal
03-10-20, 08:59 PM
Well that's assuming all the doomsdayers like you are wrong and there are enough people left alive to actually have an election right? :03:
Now come on, you can not say I ever suggested this virus would so kill many people there would not be any left for an election. :shucks: That's a joke you are making, I know, but I want to make sure I answer that. I'm not sure I am a doomsayer, that's like calling the guy passing out life jackets on the Titanic a doomsayer. I have said this virus could kill large numbers of people and it should be taken seriously.
I just don't get you Neal. The man is trying to keep public fear of this virus from becoming a panic and people like you seem to be hoping that it can be turned into one and don't try to tell me that there aren't those out there doing just that. You're upset at his flu comparison but other than basically harrumphing your distaste at Bad Orange Man you have any ideas of what he should have said instead.
Sure I do. He should have confirmed the situation is very serious and the best thing we can do avoid to making it worse is to take decisive action immediately. Seal off the most heavily affected regions, bring in the resources to keep the food flowing, ask people in surrounding areas to self-quarantine, reduce travel, stop large gatherings, work from home if your occupation permits, and get ready for a tough three-six months. Be straight with the people, they can handle it. The point is to be proactive and not wait until it turns into a disaster. Look at Singapore, they know how to handle it.
Trump doesn't have a flipping clue and it's pretty obvious. He goes on and on about total bs like his perfect phone call, and Fine network Fox News". Was he drunk? I assume not so that leaves stupid, oblivious,and out of touch. He doesn't know better than to riff about his super genius uncle and how he surprised all the scientist by "getting it", wow he should have been a viral epidemiologist. I don't get you, August. I am a conservative as much as you but I sure can't pretend this guy is nothing other than a blithering idiot. Jeesus christ that CDC press conference looked like a North Korean dear leader stage show.
But i guess your Biden comment means that maybe you don't really care about this virus except as a vehicle to get your establishment candidate back into power so they can raise taxes and get us back to fighting the never ending wars and military adventures that the American political establishment is so fond of.
Hey! What a coincidence, I listened to Rush Limbaugh today too! But wait, you are saying Biden is my candidate? Where did that come from? The only candidate that I have made campaign donations to is the only one left who isn't a senile old fossil and she has made it very clear she does not want the US involved in war and nation building. I just pointed out that with the Dems shooting Bernie in the back (again) and Trump falling apart in full view, Biden has the best path to the WH. I could be wrong, and that could change. The virus might magically go away and the stock exchange could rally and go into hyperdrive before Nov. But I don't know,man, that doesn't seem likely. (Then again,what do I know, I assured my daughter in 2015 that haha, no Donald Trump doesn't have a chance to win the Republican nomination, let alone the Presidency of the United States. I overestimate half the people in this country).
I mean putting his families corruption aside for a moment, do you really think that Joe Biden has the mental facilities to be President of the United States? The man is obviously senile. You don't recover from that, it only gets worse and four years is a long time.
How is a person who has to limit his speeches to ever shorter bits of time, wants to debate sitting down, threatens voters with violence, can't even put together a coherent sentence for cripes sake going to deal with, say something like this latest emergency?
You don't like Trump saying stupid things? Well your fixing to vote for the all time American grand master of saying stupid things. I look forward to the debates.
Yeah, I agree, Biden is way past his prime, and he was never anything more than a political hack. He is not sharp, and I don't intend on denigrating him for that, but I would not be happy with him in the WH. Unless he takes Gabbard as his VP then I'm in!
As far as Biden vs Trump, jeesus what sh*show that's going to be. Our country is really in bad shape.
Onkel Neal
03-10-20, 09:16 PM
Maybe you didn't see the press event, here, enjoy. This is one situation he cannot scam his way past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZLSc_gKLH0
Skybird
03-10-20, 09:22 PM
Maybe you didn't see the press event, here, enjoy. This is one situation he cannot scam his way past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZLSc_gKLH0
What a dud.
Best response was already given in the other thread here, the first video.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2653584&postcount=838
Hey! What a coincidence, I listened to Rush Limbaugh today too!
I didn't listen to Rush today Neal I work for a living. Maybe that's just the natural reaction to what you posted.
As for Trump he showed that he takes it seriously when he banned travel from China and Iran back back in January when the Democrats were still opposed to it, mainly because it was Trump doing it.
So we'll see what happens. Our choice in November is going to be between Trump and most likely Biden. I will make the one I think best as will you and we'll see where it takes us.
Onkel Neal
03-10-20, 10:50 PM
As for Trump he showed that he takes it seriously when he banned travel from China and Iran back back in January when the Democrats were still opposed to it, mainly because it was Trump doing it.
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Yes, I will give him that. Didn't go far enough, but can you imagine the uproar the Dems would have had if he had ordered a 14 day quarantine to all arrivals like Israel did? Yes that would have been the smart move.
em2nought
03-10-20, 11:53 PM
Now come on, you can not say I ever suggested this virus would so kill many people there would not be any left for an election.
Nobody needs to be "alive" for democrats to "win" an election. :D
https://i.imgflip.com/10iz40.jpg
Rufus Shinra
03-11-20, 02:20 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/10/coronavirus-testing-lab-materials-shortage-125212
A looming shortage in lab materials is threatening to delay coronavirus test results and cause officials to undercount the number of Americans with the virus.
The slow pace of coronavirus testing has created a major gap in the U.S. public health response. The latest problem involves an inability to prepare samples for testing, creating uncertainties in how long it will take to get results.
CDC Director Robert Redfield told POLITICO on Tuesday that he is not confident that U.S. labs have an adequate stock of the supplies used to extract genetic material from any virus in a patient’s sample — a critical step in coronavirus testing.
Who'd have guessed defunding CDC to push for The Wall and for tax cuts could have led to some issues? Noone, I suppose, since even a stable genius couldn't.
Mr Quatro
03-11-20, 10:08 AM
Now come on, you can not say I ever suggested this virus would so kill many people there would not be any left for an election
Sure they can vote ... it's just that everyone waiting in line will have to stand six (6) feet apart from each other with no sneezing or coughing. :oops:
November 3rd will be flu season again :yep:
This may be this first election decided by absentee voters :o
Think about it :hmmm:
Onkel Neal
03-11-20, 10:20 AM
Who'd have guessed defunding CDC to push for The Wall and for tax cuts could have led to some issues? Noone, I suppose, since even a stable genius couldn't.
Ok, we need a wall so that should have been funded separately from any other budget considerations. Border security should not have impacted the CDC. Is there a direct link from "defunding the CDC" to building a border wall?
Moving these posts to the US politics thread.
Onkel Neal
03-11-20, 10:32 AM
Biden has the upper hand now but seems to be eager to lose in Nov.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1234683280735297536
Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke endorsed the former vice president Monday night at a rally in Dallas, and Mr. Biden reciprocated by saying the Texan would be in charge of his anti-gun efforts.
“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Mr. Biden said of Mr. O’Rourke, the New York Post reported. “You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/3/joe-biden-beto-orourke-lead-gun-control-push/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVGykWCsiG8
Meh...
The whole gun thing is a red herring pushed by Far Right interests who have basically co-opted the issue as a means of garnering cheap votes for issues and candidates the want to push but lack sufficient support to pass/elect; it also provides a revenue stream for their causes and, in a lot of cases, gives them a means of skirting campaign finance laws and restrictions, sort of like the PACs...
No one is gonna take away anyone's legally acquired guns en masse and there is no way the Second Amendment is gonna be repealed and or amended. Confiscation of guns en masse is a myth; there have been too many cases at both the state and Federal level establishing certain parameters which cannot be breached when it comes to legal gun ownership and SCOTUS has not upheld any of the more draconian state or local laws that have led to unreasonable restrictions on legal gun ownership; the whole NRA/gun lobby rhetoric amounts to little more than a "Chicken Little 'The Sky Is Falling'" sideshow to deflect from the real intent of the FR and to provide a false 'litmus test' of "electability"...
As far as revoking the Second Amendment: Never Happen, GI. The Amendments that make up the Bill Of Rights portion of the US Constitution are as sacrosanct as the Ten Commandments to Jews and Christians and neither is likely to ever be revoked. Even if a President and Congress of the same party were to be in power, neither would be around to sustain the effort to repeal or amend the Second Amendment; first of all, just how long does anyone think it takes to even get an actual repeal or amendment through either chamber of Congress? It would be argued to death and would probably never see the light of a vote due to the various means of tabling or killing resolutions in either chamber. Even if it did get to a vote, both chambers would have to pass the proposed amendment by a two-thirds vote of each chamber and this is where the gun lobbies whole Chicken Little scare tactic really begins to fall apart: neither party since 1961 (when the current total of 50 States was established) has had a two-thirds majority of BOTH houses at the same time, making the argument that one party or the other could bulldoze through a repeal/amendment in BOTH chambers at the same time; and, given how control of each Chamber waxes and wanes every two or so years, the idea that an repeal or amendment of any of the Bill Of Rights is literally impossible...
Now, for the sake of argument, lets say the impossible should happen and Congress does pass a repeal/amendment. The next step is to get two-thirds of the States to individually ratify what Congress has passed, This means 34 of the 50 current states, via vote of each of their own State Legislature, passing in BOTH of their respective chambers by super majorities, would have to sing off on Congress' action. This is an impossibility upon the impossibility of Congress actual repealing/amending a part of the Bill Of Rights. In order to stop a repeal or amendment, it would take getting just seventeen states to deny ratification, an easy enough tally to accomplish. Does anyone really think defenders of the Second would fail to get at least seventeen states to vote against a repeal/amendment?...
No matter how you slice it, the Second Amendment is not going to be repealed or amended within any of our lifetimes, if ever. This whole canard of the government taking away, en masse, guns is nothing more than a version of your local store trying to get you to by their product by saying its a "limited time offer", when most people know the offer or something like it will come by again when they need to boost sales. I'm 69 years old and, for as long as I've been alive, the Chicken Little of "they're comin' fer yer guns!" has been around and nothing has happened or will happen. I dare anyone to give a plausible, workable, legal scenario where the Second Amendment will be repealed, short of a an armed overthrow of the US government...
The Bill Of Rights, for all intents and purposes is entrenched and will not be altered. And, as far as amendments are concerned, lets use this case as an illustration: there is an amendment to the US Constitution that was passed in 1972 (forty-eight (48) years ago) that is still out there and has only recently seen some signs of life (although it is probably moot due to legislative expiration dates) and it dealt not with any of the Bill Of Rights and it still hasn't been ratified as law; the full text of the proposed amendment is this:Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission by the Congress:
"ARTICLE —
"Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
"Sec. 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
"Sec. 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification."
The above is the text of the "Equal Rights Amendment" and it still failed.
(Aside: I have gotten many a woman's ire when I have pointed out that the effort and monetary expense expended in trying to pass the ERA would have been better spent in filing class action suits on behalf of aggrieved women, not only hitting the offenders in the checkbook, but, also, establishing solid case law and precedent to move forward with achieving equity; I also pointed out, even if the ERA passed, there would still have to be litigation to establish the practical extent and parameters of the scope of the ERA, so even more effort would have to be expended over and above that of just passing the ERA; my arguments did not endear me to the ladies with whom I discussed the ERA...)...
The ERA, all that it is, is just really a nothing in the great scheme of things and it has failed...
So, again, can anyone give a rational scenario where a repeal/amendment of the Second would succeed where a nothing like the ERA failed? Trying to tie the electability of any candidate, of any party, to their stance on the Second is laughable. Neither party will ever repeal/amend the Second and the effort and expense to "defend" something that is impregnable is wasted expenditures...
I don't want to turn this thread into yet another debate on the Second; I'm just saying, in the grand scheme of an election for president, its a non-issue over something that cannot be changed. And what I've said about the Second applies to not a few of some of the other narrow "issues" bandied about by both parties as litmus tests for electability: I'm not going to vote for an idiot solely because he/she supports the Second any more than I would vote for an idiot solely because he/she support something like Dumping Dairy or some such nonsense...
When I vote for someone as President, I look for experience, knowledge, maturity, ethics, the ability to make cogent decisions, the ability to administer and delegate responsibly and ethically, and, among other things, and maybe the more important, the ability to take responsibility and to accept consequences with grace and sincerity; I also look for a track record of fiscal responsibility and results and the creativity and intelligence required to meet challenges. All of the more transient, and oft times, specious concerns of narrow thinking lobbyists and special interests don't really rate very high on my metrics...
By the way, the reasons I gave for voting for a candidate are exactly the reasons I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and why I certainly won't vote for him come November' I am interested in only voting for sane adults...
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Onkel Neal
03-11-20, 11:01 PM
If you say so. That's not what I hear from liberals.
Liberals can say what they want and its all meaningless: they still aren't capable of repealing or modifying the Second Amendment and the issue is as much a deflection for them as it is for the far right...
...and I still haven't heard from anyone who can prove out how electing anyone from either party is going to change or strengthen the Second; any takers out there?...
I guess we will just have to waste our time with those minor insignificant issues like, oh, say, jobs, health care, economic stability, governmental stabililty, the effects of political corruption, housing, education, etc., you know stuff that's nowhere near as important as an amendment that's going nowhere and can't be changed...
The Second Amendment? Still a big yawn...
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Catfish
03-12-20, 02:45 AM
^^^ good post Vienna
When I vote for someone as President, I look for experience, knowledge, maturity, ethics, the ability to make cogent decisions, the ability to administer and delegate responsibly and ethically [...]<O>
If i look at the world we have a "leadership" of blithering idiots, everywhere.
With the current Covid-19 pandemic surging on, its going to be interesting to see what affect it will have on the traditional US campaign model. Already, both Biden and Sanders took action to cancel their respective primary post-election rallies and the next Biden/Sanders debate will be held without an audience in the hall. How will the campaigns go forward without the ability to stir up their bases without holding rallies or other mass campaign events, down to the handshaking tours in smaller communities? This is going to be a particular problem for Trump, who has pretty much made mass, frenzied rallies a personal trademark. For him, or any other candidate, it would be disastrous if a significant virus outbreak is traced back to one of their rallies should a candidate or campaign choose to ignore warnings against large gatherings. The issue also applies to statewide or local campaigns where mass campaign appearances are essential to their campaigns. Depending on how long this pandemic takes to play out, and particularly, ultimately, how severe the contagion develops, the whole election process could be upended at every level of politics...
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Sure I do. He should have confirmed the situation is very serious and the best thing we can do avoid to making it worse is to take decisive action immediately. Seal off the most heavily affected regions, bring in the resources to keep the food flowing, ask people in surrounding areas to self-quarantine, reduce travel, stop large gatherings, work from home if your occupation permits, and get ready for a tough three-six months. Be straight with the people, they can handle it. The point is to be proactive and not wait until it turns into a disaster. Look at Singapore, they know how to handle it.
Trump doesn't have a flipping clue and it's pretty obvious. He goes on and on about total bs like his perfect phone call, and Fine network Fox News". Was he drunk? I assume not so that leaves stupid, oblivious,and out of touch. He doesn't know better than to riff about his super genius uncle and how he surprised all the scientist by "getting it", wow he should have been a viral epidemiologist. I don't get you, August. I am a conservative as much as you but I sure can't pretend this guy is nothing other than a blithering idiot. Jeesus christ that CDC press conference looked like a North Korean dear leader stage show.
If I may add: Trump is not a conservative, he is as populist. Ronald Reagan was a conservative who had values...
Apart from this he is absolutely incapable to govern in these time of crisis. Instead of leading and finding solutions and mitigations with other close partners of the US (like all previous US presidents have done so in the past since WW2) he does do unilateral actions like this EU ban for 30 days , which well not help at all. A panic reaction to look like he is the man of "action" without having any mid or longterm strategy.
But yeah, he wanted to be measured how the Dow Jones performs. Today: the next drop of 8 %. Well done, indeed
AVGWarhawk
03-12-20, 11:40 AM
Trump doesn't have a flipping clue and it's pretty obvious. He goes on and on about total bs like his perfect phone call, and Fine network Fox News". Was he drunk? I assume not so that leaves stupid, oblivious,and out of touch. He doesn't know better than to riff about his super genius uncle and how he surprised all the scientist by "getting it", wow he should have been a viral epidemiologist. I don't get you, August. I am a conservative as much as you but I sure can't pretend this guy is nothing other than a blithering idiot. Jeesus christ that CDC press conference looked like a North Korean dear leader stage show.
What president in your past recollection would have a clue in this situation?
u crank
03-12-20, 11:50 AM
What president in your past recollection would have a clue in this situation?
Well ... a possible future President would call this virus a liar, curse at it and challenge it to a pushup contest.
:O::O:
Mr Quatro
03-12-20, 11:55 AM
Well ... a possible future President would call this virus a liar, curse at it and challenge it to a pushup contest.
:O::O:
Do you know who is next in line if President Trump and VP Pence should contract Covid-19?
Speaker of the House: Nancy Pelosi :o
Skybird
03-12-20, 12:06 PM
With the current Covid-19 pandemic surging on, its going to be interesting to see what affect it will have on the traditional US campaign model.
I heard Trump wants to follow sports leagues and postpone elections and delay it until next season! Also possible that he does like some international leagues and cancels them completely, not just postponing them until next year.
Others said he wants to hold them without audience and with empty polling stations.
u crank
03-12-20, 12:14 PM
Do you know who is next in line if President Trump and VP Pence should contract Covid-19?
Speaker of the House: Nancy Pelosi :o
VP Pence is only 60 years old. Pelosi is going to be 80 years old in two weeks. She's at risk even more than them.
Onkel Neal
03-12-20, 05:06 PM
Well ... a possible future President would call this virus a liar, curse at it and challenge it to a pushup contest.
:O::O:
Haha, Post of the Year material
AVGWarhawk
03-13-20, 09:03 AM
Well ... a possible future President would call this virus a liar, curse at it and challenge it to a pushup contest.
:O::O:
Will it be tweeted or on CNN? :D
A question
If your President Trump is infected
What will happen in USA-Economically and other things ?
What will happen in rest of the world-Economically and other things ?
Markus
em2nought
03-13-20, 12:53 PM
What president in your past recollection would have a clue in this situation?
I doubt there is a single one that would be working harder than this one to take it all in. Though some would have prettier speeches crafted for them to repeat I expect.
A question
If your President Trump is infected
What will happen in USA-Economically and other things ?
What will happen in rest of the world-Economically and other things ?
Markus
I don't think it would make much difference at all. We've had Presidents spend far more time in the hospital than Trump would if he does come down with it.
I heard Trump wants to follow sports leagues and postpone elections and delay it until next season! Also possible that he does like some international leagues and cancels them completely, not just postponing them until next year.
None of that is true at all. Who have you been getting these ideas from or are you still making things up?
Probably from the same sort of "sources" Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, get their crackpot ideas and conspiracy theories...
The Idea of Trump trying to forestall the 2020 Presidential Election has been floated long before the Covid-19 breakout. Trump himself has done just about nothing to discourage the idea and has been recorded openly musing over the possibility of serving more terms than the Constitution prescribes. This actually happening is one of those times when the idea has no basis in fact and is impossible to be done in so short of time as to be of benefit to whoever would be the purported beneficiary of the change, much like the idea of a repeal or significant emendation of the Second Amendment; as with that case, its an interesting mind-mull, but nothing that will actually happen...
Here is an interesting article debunking the "Trump cancels/postpones Election" idea; it details what Trump can and, importantly, cannot do:
What Happens If Trump Tries To Cancel The Election Because Of The Coronavirus? --
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/coronavirus-trump-cancel-postpone-2020-election
I don't know how many of the forum's readers actually click on the links found in many of the articles and other postings, but there is one interesting link leading to this rundown of the various laws bestowing various powers to a President in given situations:
Brennan Center for Justice: A Guide to Emergency Powers and Their Use --
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legislation/Emergency%20Powers_Printv2.pdf
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Skybird
03-14-20, 10:23 PM
Gotcha.
u crank
03-15-20, 09:53 AM
This is going to be an issue regardless of how the left/progressive media spins it. Joe Biden is a problem that Democrats now do not want to talk about. It is quite an about face from their former position.
And now they are doing the exact same thing when it comes to plainly valid questions concerning Joe Biden’s cognitive fitness: expressing revulsion and scorn at the mere mention of these questions and declaring the topic off-limits to all decent people even though establishment Democrats were the ones who first spread insinuations and even explicit accusations about Biden’s cognitive decline when they thought doing so could help them defeat him and/or because it genuinely concerned them regarding his ability to defeat Trump.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/09/it-was-democrats-and-their-media-allies-who-impugned-bidens-cognitive-fitness-yet-now-feign-outrage/
The problem with all of this? Aside from the fact that Biden’s cognitive decline is visible to the naked eye and it is incredibly reckless and repressive to demand that it be supressed these concerns were first raised not by Trump operatives nor by Sanders supporters, nor were they first raised within the last several weeks. Quite the opposite is true: they were raised repeatedly over the last year principally by Democratic Party officials and their most loyal allies in the media.
The possibiity that Joe Biden will be President is not unlikely. The question is will the left/progressive media dare to say the words that were constantly said once Trump became President .... 25th Amendment.
Oh man reading some of our friends comments on Mr Trump
makes me wonder:
If there is medicin who's strong enough to those who can stand his guts if He should win a second term.
I'm pretty sure they will suffer a total psychological breakdown.
Markus
Oh man reading some of our friends comments on Mr Trump
makes me wonder:
If there is medicin who's strong enough to those who can stand his guts if He should win a second term.
I'm pretty sure they will suffer a total psychological breakdown.
Markus
One can but hope Markus. That was pretty much the voters intent behind electing Trump in the first place. A giant middle finger extended toward the so called Elite classes. That dislike has not lessened any that I can see.
^ As I remembered it, Hillary got a few millions more votes than Trump, but due to the American election system Mr. Trump won the election.
If you had the same system as we have in most European countries some of your president wouldn't have won.
Al Gore would have won instead (If I remember correctly)
and of course Last Mrs Clinton.
Markus
em2nought
03-15-20, 02:43 PM
^ As I remembered it, Hillary got a few millions more votes than Trump, but due to the American election system Mr. Trump won the election.
If you had the same system as we have in most European countries some of your president wouldn't have won.
Al Gore would have won instead (If I remember correctly)
and of course Last Mrs Clinton.
Markus
Luckily we are still a Republic for now at least. :up:
^ As I remembered it, Hillary got a few millions more votes than Trump, but due to the American election system Mr. Trump won the election.
If you had the same system as we have in most European countries some of your president wouldn't have won.
Al Gore would have won instead (If I remember correctly)
and of course Last Mrs Clinton.
Markus
And if my Aunt had a beard she'd be my Uncle. It is not by accident that the name of our country is the United STATES of America Markus. The Electoral College is our countries historical way of electing Presidents and I think our 200 year success with the system shows the wisdom and durability of it.
My sincere apology to my American friends in this forum
I can see my last comment on August response, may have given you the impression I was criticizing your election system, which I in my wildest dream never would do.
My comment was based on some words in August reply
"That was pretty much the voters intent behind electing Trump in the first place."
Reading those words made me recall that Mrs Clinton got more votes than Mr Trump.
Markus
Onkel Neal
03-15-20, 04:55 PM
Criticizing the electoral college is acceptable, as long as we try to stay factual. Some of the Founders were opposed to it. Some wanted the President to elected by the Congress, or the States.
The main thing to remember is these days people favor it when it helps their cause and oppose it when it hurts their cause.
On a side topic, tonight's debate will be very interesting. The Democratic party, the party of diversity and inclusion, have only two old white men to choose from, especially since the have actively colluded with the MSM to exclude the woman of color candidate, Tulsi Gabbard. Most news about her was suppressed. And the Democratic voters did the choosing by their votes.
Hint: Dems, if you want to guarantee victory in Nov, have Biden and Sanders run as a ticket, Trumpo will be a one term aberration. :hmmm:
Mr Quatro
03-15-20, 05:34 PM
Hint: Dems, if you want to guarantee victory in Nov, have Biden and Sanders run as a ticket, Trumpo will be a one term aberration. :hmmm:
Sanders would and could beat President Trump in the November 2020 National election due to the fact that he is so different and would offer the poor a real chance to get even with the rich,
but a Biden/Sanders ticket is not possible.
Biden has already indicated that he prefers Michelle Obama for his running mate true or not I do not know :hmmm:
I know how you answered me about a month ago, when I asked If Trump had a chance against Bernie and now Joe.
(I also said Mr Trump shouldn't take the election to easy)
Most of you said Mr Trump would win.
So a question to those of you who support your President:
Do you still Think Mr Trump will win with ease, after the way he has tackled the corona thing ?
Markus
I know how you answered me about a month ago, when I asked If Trump had a chance against Bernie and now Joe.
(I also said Mr Trump shouldn't take the election to easy)
Most of you said Mr Trump would win.
So a question to those of you who support your President:
Do you still Think Mr Trump will win with ease, after the way he has tackled the corona thing ?
Markus
When I look at the potential opposition I certainly will still give my vote to Trump.
em2nought
03-15-20, 06:55 PM
I know how you answered me about a month ago, when I asked If Trump had a chance against Bernie and now Joe.
(I also said Mr Trump shouldn't take the election to easy)
Most of you said Mr Trump would win.
So a question to those of you who support your President:
Do you still Think Mr Trump will win with ease, after the way he has tackled the corona thing ?
Markus
So 50 deaths in the USA so far versus 1800 something in Italy? I'd say Trump will still win easily, but then I think John Kerry or some other democrat probably violated the Logan Act (again) and convinced China that releasing some nasty biological agent in Wuhan was the best way for them to deal with Trump and the Hong Kong effect(freedom man!), and then everything could go back to the way the cronyism was before Trump. A few eggs would need to be broken to make this omelet. I think the Democrats were that desperate. Up big gov't, up gov't control, up the ruling elite. :up: But I'm crazy. :03:
Of course most of the Americans that die will probably have been Trump voters... Maybe we should get those votes in early. :hmmm:
^ It was only a question based on all the critics he have got on this corona thing.
Markus
Onkel Neal
03-15-20, 08:43 PM
Sanders would and could beat President Trump in the November 2020 National election due to the fact that he is so different and would offer the poor a real chance to get even with the rich,
but a Biden/Sanders ticket is not possible.
Biden has already indicated that he prefers Michelle Obama for his running mate true or not I do not know :hmmm:
Well, you are right. Biden just pledged his running mate will be a woman.
Onkel Neal
03-15-20, 11:18 PM
Hmm.. debate over, Biden managed to get through it just fine. Looks like it will be Trump vs Biden.
nikimcbee
03-16-20, 12:11 AM
When I look at the potential opposition I certainly will still give my vote to Trump.
I tend to agree with this.
Well, you are right. Biden just pledged his running mate will be a woman.
Originally, I thought it would be Warren and HRC. HRC will attach her wagon to anybody. I theory was/is Warren would win day 1, Jan 2, they would find her floating face down in the bathtub...
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/hillsfeat1.jpg
Oh no did Warren slip in the shower? I'll make some funeral potatoes.
Onkel Neal
03-16-20, 09:51 AM
Yuk, that's not the image I want to see before breakfast. :doh:
So, Biden looked scattered for the first few exchanges but he actually smoothed out for the rest of the debate. He's not senile. He was able to discuss and recall a wide arrange of political events in his exchange with Bernie. He will nominate a woman as VP, if he's smart it will be someone less radical than Warren.
With Trumpo's bumbled response to a national emergency, the pandemic and then having crashed the economy and tanked the stock market, Trump's reelection is far from certain. I think Biden has a better shot than HRC did in 2016.
u crank
03-16-20, 11:48 AM
With Trumpo's bumbled response to a national emergency, the pandemic and then having crashed the economy and tanked the stock market, Trump's reelection is far from certain. I think Biden has a better shot than HRC did in 2016.
If Donald Trump defeats Joe Biden in November his single greatest accomplishment as a politician will be keeping two of the most corrupt people to ever run for President , Hillary and Joe, out of the White House.
Onkel Neal
03-16-20, 12:15 PM
:haha: Yeah, no doubt. I just don't know if I can take much more Trump, can't we just go a term with NO president if these are our best choices?
With Trumpo's bumbled response to a national emergency, the pandemic and then having crashed the economy and tanked the stock market, Trump's reelection is far from certain. I think Biden has a better shot than HRC did in 2016.
That's just bunk. Trump hasn't bungled anything. He's been doing a fine job getting the right people working on the issue. The crashing economy is not his fault and it would certainly have crashed with anyone else in office.
We'll see where we are in a few months. If this virus turns out not to be as bad for us here in the US as opposed to other countries will you change your mind?
em2nought
03-16-20, 04:42 PM
At least Trump has already bought us some time to find out some things that will help us from those that are going first, the French for example.
Opting to use Tylenol for instance because aspirin, Motrin, or Advil seem to intensify the virus. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection
Sure, he blurts out every thought that crosses his mind. I sort of do that now too by recording it as a text message to myself. He on the other hand tweets it out for everyone to see. He should text message himself first, and then just tweet the good ones. LOL :up:
Rockstar
03-16-20, 07:06 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/3svd7a.jpg
Buddahaid
03-16-20, 07:25 PM
That's just bunk. Trump hasn't bungled anything. He's been doing a fine job getting the right people working on the issue. The crashing economy is not his fault and it would certainly have crashed with anyone else in office.
We'll see where we are in a few months. If this virus turns out not to be as bad for us here in the US as opposed to other countries will you change your mind?
Well that's your opinion and there's no way to ever know, however, he is the one in office, and the one that kept telling everybody there's nothing to worry about so just business as usual until now when he does an about face. Gee, who could have guessed he was talking out of his ample ass then? For a man who knows more about everything than anybody else he really dropped the ball and then ran the wrong way for a touchback.
Buddahaid
03-16-20, 07:29 PM
https://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/hillsfeat1.jpg
Remember this genius?
https://claudialamb.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/sarah-palin-2.jpg
Mr Quatro
03-16-20, 07:32 PM
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Opting to use Tylenol for instance because aspirin, Motrin, or Advil seem to intensify the virus. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection
I've been using Advil for five weeks now for the flu ... so I must not have Covid-19 cause it works on the cough ... Now it's on back order. I never use Tylenol it's just for fever and headaches, right?
As for Trump as bad as he is he still has his followers even the democrats choosing Joe Biden are not going to give up their guns and if Joe picks a woman for a running mate he's lost already, but then again I'm a redneck and I have to admit that I was wrong on McCain and Obama :oops:
Well that's your opinion and there's no way to ever know, however, he is the one in office, and the one that kept telling everybody there's nothing to worry about so just business as usual until now when he does an about face. Gee, who could have guessed he was talking out of his ample ass then? For a man who knows more about everything than anybody else he really dropped the ball and then ran the wrong way for a touchback.
Yeah we'll see. I'm betting our death rate doesn't come close to Europe by the time this is all over.
In the meantime who wasn't taking this seriously?
https://i.imgur.com/ZUQqSc5.jpg
NYT again spreading misinformation trying to make the administration look bad. Fake News.
he New York Times’s Mara Gay tweeted Monday afternoon, “Trump told governors this morning they are on their own: ‘Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,’ Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times.”
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The note that Gay shared with her more than 72,000 followers includes a link to the New York Times’s collection of live updates on the COVID-19 virus. That collection includes the relevant portion of Trump’s remarks to governors.
It reads: “Mr. Trump told a group of governors that they should not wait for the federal government to fill the growing demand for respirators needed to help people diagnosed with coronavirus.”
Trump told them specifically, “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves.”
“We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves,” he said, according to the New York Times. “Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”
This is nowhere near what Gay’s tweet suggested the president had said to the governors. There is no other way to characterize her tweet than to call it "fake news." It is intentionally false information, disseminated broadly on social media with the explicit intent of misleading people. The only real difference between Gay's tweet and the sort of stuff the Russians pumped onto social media during the 2016 presidential election is that Gay is an American citizen.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/new-york-times-editorial-board-spreads-fake-news-about-the-white-houses-response-to-covid-19
Sailor Steve
03-16-20, 09:39 PM
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I'd feel much more comfortable if the genius who created the poster knew how to spell "squirrel".
As for the main topic, "Coronavirus" seems to be just a fancy name for the latest strain of flu. A lot of cases will be reported, a few deaths, and it will pass until the next one comes along. Remember the '70s and Swine Flu? How about 1919 and the Spanish Flu, which killed something like 30 million people worldwide? Get your shots, do what they tell you to and don't panic. I went to the grocery store yesterday...no toilet paper and, believe it or not, no alcohol! It sees people are stocking up for the next fifty years.
Onkel Neal
03-16-20, 10:26 PM
That's just bunk. Trump hasn't bungled anything. He's been doing a fine job getting the right people working on the issue. The crashing economy is not his fault and it would certainly have crashed with anyone else in office.
Hey, he was happy to take credit for the booming market, so now it's still his baby. Can't have it both ways. Heck, while I watched him give himself a 10 out of 10 for his handling of the crisis in the press conference today, the market ticker in the corner of the screen was bombing. Best thing he could do is keep his mouth shut and his finger off the twitter button. :)
Yeah, he bungled this, big time. Trump made his first public comments about the virus on Jan. 22, CNBC’s Kernen asked Trump, “Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?”
Trump responded: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” :haha:
On Jan. 30, during a speech in Michigan, he said: “We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully.”
Throughout late February, Trump also continued to claim the situation was improving. On Feb. 26, he said: “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
On Feb. 27, he predicted: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” :yeah:
On Feb. 29, he said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly” and praised his administration’s actions as “the most aggressive taken by any country.” None of these claims were true. Far from it, as we now know.
Just last week he was spouting goofy stuff about how this was no big deal. “I’m not concerned at all.” On March 10, he promised: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
You could tell when he began to take it seriously, he started blaming Obama. :D
We'll see where we are in a few months. If this virus turns out not to be as bad for us here in the US as opposed to other countries will you change your mind?
Yeah, true, and I'll be happy to say so.
Onkel Neal
03-16-20, 10:36 PM
PS: I agree with you completely about the early action of halting people from China. Good move, but wasn't enough. Probably no way the President could have stopped all flights inbound, that would have been the best play, but yeah, the left would have exploded.
Onkel Neal
03-17-20, 12:30 AM
Been hearing this about John Bolton disbanding the pandemic response team (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_33&itid=lk_inline_manual_33), appears this may not be true.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/
President Trump gets his share of criticism — some warranted, much not. But recently the president’s critics have chosen curious ground to question his response to the coronavirus outbreak since it began spreading from Wuhan, China, in December.
It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.
When I joined the National Security Council staff in 2018, I inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate. This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020.
It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, congressional oversight committees and members of the Obama administration itself all agreed the NSC was too large and too operationally focused (a departure from its traditional role coordinating executive branch activity). As The Post reported in 2015, from the Clinton administration to the Obama administration’s second term, the NSC’s staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.” That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017.
Comparing the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918 with Covid-19, or any other current contagions, is rather inaccurate; the state of medical science, the state of general hygienics, the ability to travel between nations, and more are very, very different between the two eras, 1918 and 2020; consider what sort of impact the Spanish flu would have had if today's conditions were prevalent in 1918: The Spanish Flu's severity and impact was undoubtedly heightened by, what to our time, would appear to be grossly primitive measures used in 1918 to fight the epidemic; the comparison should not be one of quantity (How many deaths, cases, etc.), rather it should be 'quality' over 'quantity'; given the advanced state of modern medicine and communications, even what would tend to seem to be 'small' mortality rates are still very significant, particularly when, as in the case of Covid-19, there is no modern medical solution; isolation and quarantine are still the best means to deter and mitigate contagions for which there are no immediate efficacious treatments or cures...
Comparing the two episodes is akin to comparing early open heart, open chest, surgery to the current state of arthroscopic coronary procedures; early surgery had a relatively high mortality rate, either during or shortly after surgery, while, in comparison, today's procedures have a markedly lower mortality rate: the underlying conditions that required the surgeries is fundamentally the same, the only difference is the efficacy of the treatments. Honestly, what do you think would be the current state of the Covid-19 virus if we were still using 1918 medical standards and technology?...
To get a better idea of the Spanish Flu's effects on the US in 1918, here is a link to the CDC webpage on the epidemic:
1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) --
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
Hey, he was happy to take credit for the booming market, so now it's still his baby. Can't have it both ways. Heck, while I watched him give himself a 10 out of 10 for his handling of the crisis in the press conference today, the market ticker in the corner of the screen was bombing. Best thing he could do is keep his mouth shut and his finger off the twitter button. :)
Yeah, he bungled this, big time. Trump made his first public comments about the virus on Jan. 22, CNBC’s Kernen asked Trump, “Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?”
Trump responded: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” :haha:
On Jan. 30, during a speech in Michigan, he said: “We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully.”
Throughout late February, Trump also continued to claim the situation was improving. On Feb. 26, he said: “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
On Feb. 27, he predicted: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” :yeah:
On Feb. 29, he said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly” and praised his administration’s actions as “the most aggressive taken by any country.” None of these claims were true. Far from it, as we now know.
Just last week he was spouting goofy stuff about how this was no big deal. “I’m not concerned at all.” On March 10, he promised: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
You could tell when he began to take it seriously, he started blaming Obama. :D
Yes, indeed, Trump is going to have to own this mess he's made...
When Trump, made his formal prime time address last week, it was interesting how haggard he appeared, not to mention how stilted and wooden his delivery was; then there was last Saturday's press conference where he also appeared a bit worse for wear; I noted a few things about those recent appearances; on Saturday, Trump didn't have his usual phalanx of business-suited, white male lackeys and sycophants around and behind him; instead there were only four person and, notably, two were Black, two were female and one was what could be referred to as 'ethnic'; also Trump was not wearing his usual, self-promoting campaign MAGA hat, just a hat with USA on its front; Trump has also seemingly deferred to actual experts on the matter and kept his self-laudatory and aggrandizing to a minimum, although he still attempts to assert his "genius" and "knowledge" and, as usual, only further illustrates what an ignorant ass he is how severely ill-equipped he was and is to be holding the office of president; from what I've observed it appears the reports of the White House advisors and staff having had an 'intervention' with Trump may be true, particularly since Pence has been doing a lot more of/in the presentations of late; yes. know it would make sense given Pence was charged with the Task Force's coordination, but, really prying the podium, the spotlight, and overall impression of control from a narcissist like Trump (and Trump's track record to prove the truth of this remark) is a major feat and indicates Trump may have really met his match in this crisis...
Another thing that was irritating was how Trump, after campaigning on being the most transparent president "in all history", he continues to obfuscate, conceal, block, and resist any efforts to actually let the US public see and know exactly what is going on in this crisis; the most blatant cases were the elevating to "Highly Classified" all matters regarding his administration;s handling of the crisis; this occurred the same day when Dr. Anthony Fauci, of the NIH, was testifying before Congress on the nature, conduct and progress of efforts to deal with the Covid-19 virus; Dr. Fauci's testimony was cut short by a sudden summons to the White House for the Dr. and others who were with him at the Congressional hearing; the main and apparent purpose of the recall and reclassification appears to have been to prevent anyone from openly contradicting Trump, particularly while they were testifying under oath; it is further interesting that the very same statements made by Dr. Fauci in Congress that Trump found so disagreeable have been not only borne out as being factual, they are now form the bulk of the effort now being made against the virus...
There are times when I think Trump is akin to Pope Paul V who famously persecuted Galileo and Galileo's contention Earth and the planets revolved around the Sun, not the Sun, planets, and other 'heavenly bodies' revolving around the Earth; Paul V issued a Papal declaration making the Earth-centricity the official 'God-sanctioned' truth and launched the Inquisition to get and imprision Galileo in order to keep him silent; Galileo was proven to have, of course, been right, but the Church, due to the "infallibility" of Papal declarations still has not formally rescinded its false declaration; likewise, with Trump, he makes false statements (OK, downright lies), and, when so very often proven wrong, refuses to acknowledge and correct his errors, misstatements and/or lies, opting instead to denigrate and demean those who dare to question him. It takes a big man to admit when he is obviously wrong or untruthful; in this, Trump is a dwarf. There have been those who have opposed Trump and said the US doesn't need a new king; it also doesn't need an infallible Pope...
I am not inclined to vote for Biden, much as I did not vote for either Party's candidate in 2016, but I am very certain now that if the only means to keep the Human Sphincter that is Trump out of the Oval Office and prevent him for and his lackey minions doing further damage to the USA, I will gladly vote for Biden; I may not like Biden, but at his worst, he's a damn sight better than the current Chump-In-Chief...
I've been using Advil for five weeks now for the flu ... so I must not have Covid-19 cause it works on the cough ... Now it's on back order. I never use Tylenol it's just for fever and headaches, right?
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Five weeks of flu? You must have gotten hit by whatever it was that laid me low for all of January, and there still is no definitive answer for what that was. Tylenol is good for general pain, in addition to fever and headaches; following my last surgery, I was given a big bottle of Vicodin to take home from hospital, but I really don't like narcotics of any kind, so, instead, I made do with Extra Strength Tylenol; seemed to handle dulling the postoperative pain pretty well. A couple of things about Tylenol: read the label carefully and try not to take consecutive doses over a prolonged period because Tylenol can cause liver damage if it stays too long in the system; if I take it, unless the pain is too much to bear, I lengthen the period between doses from the suggested 6 hours to 8 hours apart; also, Tylenol is known as a medium for increasing the absorption of any chemical substance ingested at or near the time of the dose(s), sometimes with detrimental effect(s) e.g., taking Tylenol with an alcoholic drink or some other medications could cause the overly rapid absorption of the substance(s) putting a further stress on the liver and other organs, so be careful...
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As for Trump as bad as he is he still has his followers even the democrats choosing Joe Biden are not going to give up their guns and if Joe picks a woman for a running mate he's lost already, but then again I'm a redneck and I have to admit that I was wrong on McCain and Obama :oops:
You already know I consider the guns to be a non-issue and I don't think Democrats are going to vote for Trump just to keep the NRA happy; as far as a woman on the DEM ticket, well, the last woman they had on a ticket was a truly bad choice, and, still, she whupped Trump in the popular vote, so Trump's track record against DEM women, (such as C;Clinton and Pelosi) is not making it look good for him in November...
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Been hearing this about John Bolton disbanding the pandemic response team (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_33&itid=lk_inline_manual_33), appears this may not be true.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/
The really big issue is how Trump has populated so many vital government positions with highly unqualified, often totally inexperienced, appointees with the prime criteria for their appointment either being sheer cronyism and/or blind allegiance to Trump; it is even worse when those failures-in-waiting are made the administrators of Cabinet positions or Departments; bad departmental leadership, put in place by a woefully bad leader, is the reason so many of Trump's actions have failed so miserably; added to this is Trump's inability to hold on to appointees or to even fill critical vacancies at all; the revolving door that has become Trump's Cabinet, in particular, and his higher level advisors and administrators does not lend to stability in decision-making, the carrying out of objectives, nor the sense of continuity and direction necessary for good governance; a government structure that is dependent on the whims and petulance of someone who is, himself, ill-equipped, meandering, and ignorant without wanting to be informed or corrected is why we have the mess we have now...
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Catfish
03-17-20, 06:24 AM
It is not only Trump. So it is maybe wrong to post this here, but it of course fits.
From the Manager magazine, which is pro right-wing usually, certainly with business interests in focus (translation by Google):
"Unfortunately, bulls...t has a huge advantage over the truth: it is often the better story.
The bulls...tter regularly wins in the tough competition for attention, especially when it comes to complex issues that most citizens cannot judge for themselves.
This explains the rise of populists in many countries: the bulls...tter have a competitive advantage over their serious competition. Their stories are easy to understand and sometimes even entertaining. Look at Farage. As long as populist bulls...tters are in the opposition, their content-related emptiness may not be particularly noticeable.
Even in the government, they may be able to wash their way through in relatively quiet times. Look at Johnson.
But times are far from calm. The corona crisis will overshadow everything that the western world has experienced in peacetime."
Rockstar
03-17-20, 07:11 AM
https://apnews.com/7527e051bd8c4be1beef9d7c37c8290e
The Justice Department is moving to drop charges against two Russian companies that were accused of funding a social media campaign to sway American public opinion during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
Concord was the sole defendant in the case to enter an appearance in Washington’s federal court and contest the allegations. The case had been set for trial next month, making the government’s filing all the more abrupt.
https://i.imgflip.com/3svd7a.jpg
:rotfl2:
u crank
03-17-20, 07:53 AM
I am not inclined to vote for Biden, much as I did not vote for either Party's candidate in 2016, but I am very certain now that if the only means to keep the Human Sphincter that is Trump out of the Oval Office and prevent him for and his lackey minions doing further damage to the USA, I will gladly vote for Biden; I may not like Biden, but at his worst, he's a damn sight better than the current Chump-In-Chief...
I am going to respectfully disagree. As bad as you think Trump is and I am not a fan, Joe Biden represents a giant step backwards for the USA. He, like Hillary is the picture perfect example of political cronyism. His singular claim to fame is being the number 2 guy in a failed administration. What can you expect from him? One example.
In the recent debate with Sanders, Biden sent a clear signal that he wants to return to the Obama era war on the US petroleum industry by saying he will ban fracking. Biden, who has learned how to virtue signal with the best of them has the same unrealistic goals as Bernie Sanders in forfeiting American energy independence, and restoring power to OPEC for the foreseeable future. Is that good policy?
Everything about Biden is wrong and is a clear indication that the Democrat Party is out of ideas. If Biden is the eventual nominee the DNC's last two candidates for President show a party that is steeped in cronyism and living in the past. They should start now to find a reasonable candidate for 2024.
Trump may be orange man bad but Biden is old man living in the past bad.
Mr Quatro
03-17-20, 11:04 AM
Everything about Biden is wrong and is a clear indication that the Democrat Party is out of ideas. If Biden is the eventual nominee the DNC's last two candidates for President show a party that is steeped in cronyism and living in the past. They should start now to find a reasonable candidate for 2024.
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Good call u crank :up:
Everything is wrong from abortions to guns to open borders to health care ... :yep:
It's almost like the democrats don't even believe in that stuff they spout themselves they just want votes from the people that do believe in the
dream they propose and then after they get in office they will blame the US Senate for not letting them have what they want.
If they get in anyway ... which they won't :o
Buddahaid
03-17-20, 12:28 PM
The u.s. has oil independence already without fracking and without OPEC.
Aktungbby
03-17-20, 03:01 PM
... without fracking ...Per the FAQ's: 'do not use language U wouldnt use in front of your mother':O:
AVGWarhawk
03-17-20, 03:27 PM
What is truly astonishing here is not the fact there is a bug running amok over the planet but the very idea that China let a bug out without much recourse for doing so. Countries play with bugs of all sorts. It is called biological warfare. We here in the US have our bugs but seem to contain them better then say China. What does this teach us about China? The US depends on China for much of the products purchased in the US. I would hope the dependence on China for goods is reduced in great numbers. How can we sit idle while China manufactures 80% of the antibiotics globally? How can we sit idle as China manufactures fillers for blood pressure medications(as well as others) that are found to be carcinogenic? These same fillers shipped around the world for other countries to use as fillers for their manufactured medications. I think the Trump administration that has taken a long look at China already will now look deeper into this growing problem.
Onkel Neal
03-17-20, 03:57 PM
I am going to respectfully disagree. As bad as you think Trump is and I am not a fan, Joe Biden represents a giant step backwards for the USA. He, like Hillary is the picture perfect example of political cronyism. His singular claim to fame is being the number 2 guy in a failed administration. What can you expect from him? One example.
In the recent debate with Sanders, Biden sent a clear signal that he wants to return to the Obama era war on the US petroleum industry by saying he will ban fracking. Biden, who has learned how to virtue signal with the best of them has the same unrealistic goals as Bernie Sanders in forfeiting American energy independence, and restoring power to OPEC for the foreseeable future. Is that good policy?
Everything about Biden is wrong and is a clear indication that the Democrat Party is out of ideas. If Biden is the eventual nominee the DNC's last two candidates for President show a party that is steeped in cronyism and living in the past. They should start now to find a reasonable candidate for 2024.
Trump may be orange man bad but Biden is old man living in the past bad.
Banning fracking would be a real mistake, our economy would suffer and we would be dependent on foreign oil again.
The most disturbing thing about Biden is how he's frothing at the mouth to repeal the PLCAA, (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/joe-biden-plan-to-shut-down-the-firearms-industry/)
Biden’s end goal is ultimately to repeal the 2005 PLCAA. This law, passed with overwhelming bipartisan support and signed by President George W. Bush, ended the politically driven lawsuits aimed at bankrupting the firearms industry. Biden and Sanders want to revive the tactic as they pursue the White House, and they’re using disproven and false claims to make their case.
The PLCAA stopped a series of “public nuisance” lawsuits by activist mayors in big cities against firearms manufacturers over the crimes committed by individuals. That law doesn’t grant immunity, but it prevents others from shifting the blame from criminals to a manufacturer. The firearms manufacturer is no more liable for the crime committed by an individual than Home Depot would be if someone committed murder with a hammer. The PLCAA does nothing more than defend an industry that has been targeted by a series of baseless, politically motivated lawsuits.
Yet Biden still falsely claims that this gives firearms manufacturers blanket immunity. Both manufacturers and firearms retailers can be, and are, held responsible for harm caused by defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, or other actions for which they are directly responsible, the same as any other product manufacturer.
And saying he is bringing Beto the fool on-board to push for pointless gun legislation is the cherry on top. Nov is looking more and more like 2016. :dead:
Another question to my American friends, especially those who have knowledge about the American election and its laws.
The following is copied from a Danish news paper and translated via google.
(There isn't any link to some English version)
Is it correct what this Danish journalist have written ?
"In the shadow of the Corona crisis, new Democratic primary elections are being held today to find Donald Trump's challenger. However, with a crippling national health crisis, the president has the opportunity - fully legally - to secure another four years on the post in a special maneuver where the right to vote is suspended."
Can he use this Corona crisis to sit additional four years without any election ?
Markus
Can he use this Corona crisis to sit additional four years without any election ?
Markus
No, not possible.
:roll:
At Sunday night’s debate, Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden blatantly lied to the American public about the Trump administration’s handling of coronavirus testing in a pathetic attempt to push the false narrative that a lack of testing has endangered Americans. “The World Health Organization offered the testing kits that they had available and to give it to us now,” Biden proclaimed.” “We refused it. We didn’t want to buy them,” the Democratic front-runner claimed.
Biden’s claim was false on many fronts and had previously been debunked on at least two occasions.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17/joe-biden-lies-about-coronavirus-testing-to-make-trump-look-bad/
Mr Quatro
03-17-20, 07:18 PM
:roll:
“The World Health Organization offered the testing kits that they had available and to give it to us now,” Biden proclaimed.” “We refused it. We didn’t want to buy them,” the Democratic front-runner claimed.
Biden’s claim was false on many fronts and had previously been debunked on at least two occasions.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17/joe-biden-lies-about-coronavirus-testing-to-make-trump-look-bad/
Just like all of the other lies especially on prime time debates once they are out there you can't get them back. Both sides are guilty, but of course Biden's is the latest and is political and it hurts :yep:
Buddahaid
03-17-20, 07:35 PM
Just like all of the other lies especially on prime time debates once they are out there you can't get them back. Both sides are guilty, but of course Biden's is the latest and is political and it hurts :yep:
Only 250,000 to go to catch up to the Republican leader. :arrgh!:
I'm going to vote for the first one that just shuts up!
Onkel Neal
03-17-20, 07:55 PM
Only 250,000 to go to catch up to the Republican leader. :arrgh!:
I'm going to vote for the first one that just shuts up!
I'll go along with that. :up:
Another question to my American friends, especially those who have knowledge about the American election and its laws.
The following is copied from a Danish news paper and translated via google.
(There isn't any link to some English version)
Is it correct what this Danish journalist have written ?
"In the shadow of the Corona crisis, new Democratic primary elections are being held today to find Donald Trump's challenger. However, with a crippling national health crisis, the president has the opportunity - fully legally - to secure another four years on the post in a special maneuver where the right to vote is suspended."
Can he use this Corona crisis to sit additional four years without any election ?
Markus
In case this was missed:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2654517&postcount=8889
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Another question to my American friends, especially those who have knowledge about the American election and its laws.
The following is copied from a Danish news paper and translated via google.
(There isn't any link to some English version)
Is it correct what this Danish journalist have written ?
"In the shadow of the Corona crisis, new Democratic primary elections are being held today to find Donald Trump's challenger. However, with a crippling national health crisis, the president has the opportunity - fully legally - to secure another four years on the post in a special maneuver where the right to vote is suspended."
Can he use this Corona crisis to sit additional four years without any election ?
Markus
Hell, we held a Presidential election during the civil war, I don't think a flu bug is going to disrupt this one.
AVGWarhawk
03-18-20, 07:43 AM
Banning fracking would be a real mistake, our economy would suffer and we would be dependent on foreign oil again.
The most disturbing thing about Biden is how he's frothing at the mouth to repeal the PLCAA, (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/joe-biden-plan-to-shut-down-the-firearms-industry/)
And saying he is bringing Beto the fool on-board to push for pointless gun legislation is the cherry on top. Nov is looking more and more like 2016. :dead:
It is quite clear Biden is pandering for votes. In fact, it is shameless.
Catfish
03-18-20, 08:08 AM
It is quite clear Biden is pandering for votes. In fact, it is shameless.
Talking about "shameless" and "pandering for votes", good that Trump stands out so favorably with his honorable reputation ;)
Seriously, i agree that stopping fracking would set the US back, i just hope that the western oil industry (whatever you think of it) survives the recent Saudi overproduction, and the Cor. crisis.
u crank
03-18-20, 08:29 AM
It is quite clear Biden is pandering for votes. In fact, it is shameless.
Joe is taking pandering to a new level.
So Biden's positions on three big issues -- immigration, college education and bankruptcy -- changed virtually overnight to fit the political requirements of the late stages of the 2020 Democratic primary. And all involved a move to the left. For months, Biden dominated the so-called "centrist" or "moderate" lane of the Democratic race. But now there is no longer a Democratic race. Even as commentators touted his centrism, Biden strategically moved left to consolidate the support he needed for the nomination.
https://townhall.com/columnists/byronyork/2020/03/18/joe-biden-a-centrist-moves-further-left-n2565148
I expect Biden to try and soften his positions (pandering is replaced with backtracking) once the election campaign begins but video has a long memory.
Soon he will have to come up with the version of Joe Biden who will run in the general election. At the moment, all politics, as all life in the United States, is consumed with coronavirus. But at some point, the virus will subside, and the campaign will re-emerge. President Trump will fiercely attack Biden for moving left, leaving voters to decide whether Biden really is the centrist he was made out to be.
Onkel Neal
03-18-20, 12:20 PM
Arhghh! Trump talking, market tanking!:k_confused:
AVGWarhawk
03-18-20, 01:17 PM
Arhghh! Trump talking, market tanking!:k_confused:
China should be held accountable.
Aktungbby
03-18-20, 01:33 PM
It is quite clear Biden is pandering for votes. In fact, it is shameless. PANDERING!!!! RUNNING FIOR HIGH PUBLIC OFFICE IN AMERICA IS A WHORE'S BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH! https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-us-congressman-sentenced-10-years-prison-extensive-fraud-tax-and-election-crimes (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-us-congressman-sentenced-10-years-prison-extensive-fraud-tax-and-election-crimes) Former U.S. Congressman Stephen E. Stockman was sentenced today to serve 120 months in prison and ordered to pay $1,014,718.51 in restitution, to be followed by three years of supervised release, for orchestrating a four-year scheme to defraud charitable donors of hundreds of thousands of dollars and secretly to funnel the proceeds to pay for personal expenses and to illegally finance his campaigns for public office.
Assistant Attorney General Brian A. Benczkowski of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, U.S. Attorney Ryan K. Patrick of the Southern District of Texas, Special Agent in Charge Matthew J. DeSarno of the FBI’s Washington Field Office’s Criminal Division and Special Agent in Charge D. Richard Goss of the IRS Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI) Houston Field Office, made the announcement.
“Former Representative Stockman stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from charities, then used the money to pay personal expenses and fund his political campaigns,” said Assistant Attorney General Benczkowski. “As this case demonstrates, the Justice Department and our law enforcement partners will aggressively pursue corrupt public officials, including those who seek to corrupt our elections for personal gain.”
“At trial, the government proved to the jury that former Congressman Stockman ran his campaign and fraudulent charities to simply enrich himself and defrauded well-meaning donors,” said U.S. Attorney Patrick. “This type of corruption by public officials gives our entire democratic system a black eye.”
Former U.S. Representative Stephen E. Stockman, 61, was convicted by a federal jury in Houston on April 12, of 23 counts of mail fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to make conduit contributions and false statements to the Federal Election Commission, making false statements to the Federal Election Commission, making excessive coordinated campaign contributions, money laundering, and filing a false tax return. Two of Stockman’s former congressional staffers previously pleaded guilty in the case. Thomas Dodd, 39, of Houston, Texas, pleaded guilty on March 20, 2017, to one count of conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud and one count of conspiracy to make conduit contributions and false statements. Jason T. Posey, 48, of Tupelo, Mississippi, pleaded guilty on Oct. 11, 2017, to one count of mail fraud, one count of wire fraud, and one count of money laundering.
“Former Congressman Stockman was entrusted by his constituents to serve in their best interest,” said FBI Special Agent in Charge DeSarno. “Instead, Stockman used his position in a series of schemes for personal gain at the expense of the public. Today’s sentence should send a clear message that the laws of the land apply to everyone, regardless of position or power. The FBI and our partners at the IRS will continue our efforts to identify fraudulent practices carried out by elected representatives. Public officials who abuse their position will be investigated, prosecuted, and subjected to the full punishment of the law for their actions.”
“Congressman Stockman used his position to defraud charitable foundations to advance his political career and pay for personal expenses,” said IRS-CI Special Agent in Charge Goss. “His actions and failure to pay taxes on these illicit funds not only undermines the American tax system, but cultivates a lack of trust in our elected officials. Today’s sentencing demonstrates IRS-Criminal Investigation’s commitment to bring justice to those public officials who believe they are above the law.”
According to the evidence presented at trial, from May 2010 to February 2014, Stockman and his co-defendants solicited $1,250,571.65 in donations from charitable organizations and the individuals who ran those organizations based on false pretenses, then used a series of sham nonprofit organizations and dozens of bank accounts to launder the money before it was used for a variety of personal and campaign expenses.
Specifically, the evidence established that in 2010, Stockman and Dodd solicited an elderly donor in Baltimore, Maryland for $285,000 to be used for legitimate charitable and educational purposes. Stockman and Dodd used a sham charity named the Ross Center to funnel the money to be used for a variety of personal expenses. The evidence further established that, in 2011 and 2012, Stockman and Dodd received an additional $165,000 in charitable donations from the Baltimore donor, much of which Stockman used illegally to finance his 2012 congressional campaign.
The trial evidence also showed that shortly after Stockman took office as a Member of the U.S. House of Representatives in 2013, he and Dodd used the name of another sham nonprofit entity, Life Without Limits, to solicit and receive a $350,000 charitable donation, to be used to create an educational center called the Freedom House. Stockman, Dodd, and Posey instead used this donation for a variety of personal and campaign expenses, including illegal conduit campaign contributions, a covert surveillance project targeting a perceived political opponent, an in-patient alcoholism treatment for a female associate, and payments for hundreds of thousands of robocalls and mailings promoting Stockman’s candidacy for U.S. Senate in early 2014.
In addition, the evidence established that, in connection with Stockman’s Senate campaign, Stockman and Posey used another sham nonprofit entity to secure a $450,571.65 donation in order to fund a purportedly legitimate independent expenditure promoting Stockman’s candidacy. The evidence showed that the purportedly independent expenditure was in fact secretly controlled by Stockman, who directed his campaign and Posey to file false affidavits with the FEC covering up Stockman’s involvement.
Finally, the evidence at trial demonstrated that Stockman failed to pay taxes on any of the $1,250,571.65 in fraudulently acquired donations. In addition, during the early stages of the investigation, Stockman directed Posey to flee to Cairo, Egypt, for two and a half years so that Posey could not be questioned by law enforcement. :Kaleun_Mad:
Buddahaid
03-18-20, 02:14 PM
It is quite clear Biden is pandering for votes. In fact, it is shameless.
What do you call that thing Trump does? He already stated years ago he'd just tell the voters what they want to hear to get elected.
Mr Quatro
03-18-20, 02:17 PM
What do you call that thing Trump does? He already stated years ago he'd just tell the voters what they want to hear to get elected.
They all do that ... lets see Joe Biden wants open borders, free medical for everyone, no guns, tax the rich, no more war, etc etc :yep:
Mr Quatro
03-18-20, 02:18 PM
China should be held accountable.
Exactly how much would we owe China if we said come and get it Commies :D
Onkel Neal
03-18-20, 03:46 PM
Ok, so Americans are all getting checks from the govt or only the people who never plan and spend all their $$ foolishly?
Why bother asking? :har:
AVGWarhawk
03-19-20, 08:22 AM
Exactly how much would we owe China if we said come and get it Commies :D
We send the bill for the trillon dollar stimulus. What do you mean "we owe" China? Let's start by pulling manufacturing jobs out of China. 3M is the large surgical mask producer in the world. China makes 90% of the 3M masks. Time to pull the plug. This includes all medical related items. China manufactures drug fillers(full of cancer causing material). 80% of the worlds antibiotics. We don't stop there.
AVGWarhawk
03-19-20, 08:24 AM
Ok, so Americans are all getting checks from the govt or only the people who never plan and spend all their $$ foolishly?
Why bother asking? :har:
I believe this is a very bad precedence. This check cutting for every issue from here on out will be expected.
AVGWarhawk
03-19-20, 08:26 AM
What do you call that thing Trump does? He already stated years ago he'd just tell the voters what they want to hear to get elected.
He said the things voters wanted to hear. The difference is he is doing what the voters wanted to hear.
Ok, so Americans are all getting checks from the govt or only the people who never plan and spend all their $$ foolishly?
Why bother asking? :har:
Kind of reminds me of the boneheaded 'rebate' checks Dubbya issued at the beginning of his first term trying to get 'brownie points' for himself and the GOP; as you pointed out, most of the recipients squandered the cash, as expected; this amid calls by some in both parties to better use the surplus to beef up needs and situations neglected do to prior shortfalls...
Worse was when shortly thereafter the 9/11 attacks occurred and that once sizable sum of money squandered on the 'rebates' would have been very handy to have had to either aid those who were victimized by the attacks or to use for military needs...
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Special Report: How Korea trounced U.S. in race to test people for coronavirus --
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testing-specialrep/special-report-how-korea-trounced-u-s-in-race-to-test-people-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN2153BW
There's nothing like a well-run government, and what the US has under Trump is certainly nothing like a well-run government...
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He said the things voters wanted to hear. The difference is he is doing what the voters wanted to hear.
The majority of the voters did not vote for Trump and he has never had the support of the majority for his issues or actions...
Better said, "He said the things the minority of voters wanted to hear."...
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AVGWarhawk
03-19-20, 09:07 AM
The majority of the voters did not vote for Trump and he has never had the support of the majority for his issues or actions...
Better said, "He said the things the minority of voters wanted to hear."...
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Better yet, he said what the voters wanted to hear in the states that were needed to win the electoral college for said states. :D
Well I tell ya what, those that did not vote for Trump and said, "Not my president" can send the forthcoming checks back to the Federal Reserve. :Kaleun_Salute:
Onkel Neal
03-19-20, 09:30 AM
Better yet, he said what the voters wanted to hear in the states that were needed to win the electoral college for said states. :D
Well I tell ya what, those that did not vote for Trump and said, "Not my president" can send the forthcoming checks back to the Federal Reserve. :Kaleun_Salute:
Sorry, since I'm paying for those checks, I'm not doing that. I'll take what I can get.
Of course, I probably won't be included in the handout since I'm solvent and able to take care of myself without relying on the government.
All this money disbursed without any oversight on what it's spent on. I bet the coke and weed dealers are over the moon.
If Trump and Congress were to say the budget would be cut in other areas to make up for this or that recipients would have their payroll taxes slightly increased for the rest of the year to pay it back, it would make more sense. But no, that will never happen in this country. Let's add $10 trillion more to the national debt. :wah: Skybird is right, we are heading for a financial collapse that will make the economic disruption of this virus look small in comparison.
With these bailouts, this could actually trigger the collapse. I know, crazy to say that, could never happen. Like a pandemic could never happen. Excuse me, folks, I need to go check my garden and guns.:shucks:
Give a man a free house and he'll bust out the windows
Put his family on food stamps, now he's a big spender
No food on the table and the bills ain't paid
'Cause he spent it on cigarettes and P.G.A (pure grain alcohol)
They'll turn us all into beggars 'cause they're easier to please;
They're feeding our people that Government Cheese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLzFhOslZPM
Better yet, he said what the voters wanted to hear in the states that were needed to win the electoral college for said states. :D
Well I tell ya what, those that did not vote for Trump and said, "Not my president" can send the forthcoming checks back to the Federal Reserve. :Kaleun_Salute:
So, a tacit acknowledgement Trump's occupation of the Oval Office has nothing to to with voter support of him or his policies, but, rather, the ability for a candidate to game and gimmick a flawed electoral system; considering Trumps margin in all the 'swing states' combined that gave him the electoral win was about 88,000 votes, it would appear, given how badly he has screwed the pooch as president, that margin of credit of 88,000 votes has, by now, dissolved and is, perhaps, now a sizable debit; the losses by the GOP in some of those states in the 2018 midterm elections does not bode well, nor do the subsequent losses on the local level in votes in those states since 2018; Trump is very damaged goods and, as I have said before, the very high probability of his doing or saying something to torpedo his own ship of state is pretty much a no-brainer, particularly his horrible job of lying through his teeth regarding the Covid-19 crisis and his administration's handling (or better said, miss-handling) of the national response; there is one GOP group, Republicans for the Rule of Law, who are going to be running ads leading up to the November election that will simply prove their point of Trump's incompetence, ignorance, and lack of any qualification by simply playing videos of his many, many lies, deceptions and bungling of the crisis; basically, Trump testifying against himself...
So, do you really think, after the Covid-19 debacle, the tanking of the economy, the failure to deliver on a good many issues of interest within the local levels of the 'swing' states, and more lacking of himself and his rule combined with an electorate now getting weary of Trump's immaturity in leadership, do you really think he's still gonna get those 88,000 votes again this time around? The greater likelihood is there's gonna be a whole lot more than 88,000 voters who are fed up with Trump since 2016...
I don't know: maybe all those people who are going to lose their jobs and those who will lose there businesses and those who are going to watch their 401Ks tank will be so grateful for what Trump has done to them, they'll cheerfully vote for him unlike they did in 2016...
You'll have to excuse me now; I'm trying to see if there is any porcine aviation forthcoming...
As far as the rebate check are concerned, maybe some of those "Not my president" voters might give over a goodly portion of money to whoever is the DEM candidate, sort of Trump financing the DEMs to defeat him... :har:
Sorry, since I'm paying for those checks, I'm not doing that. I'll take what I can get.
Of course, I probably won't be included in the handout since I'm solvent and able to take care of myself without relying on the government.
All this money disbursed without any oversight on what it's spent on. I bet the coke and weed dealers are over the moon.
If Trump and Congress were to say the budget would be cut in other areas to make up for this or that recipients would have their payroll taxes slightly increased for the rest of the year to pay it back, it would make more sense. But no, that will never happen in this country. Let's add $10 trillion more to the national debt. :wah: Skybird is right, we are heading for a financial collapse that will make the economic disruption of this virus look small in comparison.
With these bailouts, this could actually trigger the collapse. I know, crazy to say that, could never happen. Like a pandemic could never happen. Excuse me, folks, I need to go check my garden and guns.:shucks:
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You are very right about the whole rebate swindle. It could, and I fear, will, trigger or, at least hasten an economic collapse; rebates have never really been effective in reversing or mitigating downward slides; if nothing else, its the modern variation on the old Roman "bread and circuses" idea: keep the teeming unwashed masses distracted by antics and hi-jinks and dole them out 'bread' to make them think progress and prosperity exist when, in truth, the barbarians are at the gate...
The same goes, for the most part, for a lot of the bailout plans being tossed about recently; given how botched-up pretty much everything Trump has been involved in, the level of competence, oversight, and direction of a Trump bailout effort is highly in question and way too risky...
When I was 14yo, I spent a summer in Central America and we went to a village high up in the mountains; we wanted to spend a day at a smaller village higher up the mountains; the local transportation was strictly controlled by the dictatorship and, in the region we were in, there was only one guy with a suitable 4WD vehicle authorized to transport in the area; the villagers warned us that the driver was known to stop off during his trips at roadside cantinas and down more than a few drinks, impairing his driving skills; we were able to bribe him into letting someone else do the driving of his vehicle (IIRC, a few bottles of rum were involved along with some cash); when they villagers warned us of the dangers of being in the same vehicle with him driving, they told several stories about him, but one stuck in mind, even after all these years; it seem he was making a run down the mountain roads, after stopping at the cantinas and suddenly announced to his passengers "I"m seeing two roads instead of one, but don't worry, I'll just drive between the two of them!"; shortly after the announcement he careened off the road, flipping the vehicle, and landing it on its roof; amid all the cries and screams he loudly proclaimed "Anyone who is hurt, don't tell me! Anyone who is dead, don't tell me! Nothing has happened here!"; over the past few years of Trump, the situation seems akin to that of those passengers in that overturned vehicle: something bad is going on and the driver won't admit in and the full cause and responsibility lies with the driver. Frankly, for those of us watching this country on its back, crumpled, with its wheels spinning futilely, and the driver claiming nothing has happened, the time has come to permanently take away the car keys from the crazy driver
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Mr Quatro
03-19-20, 11:16 AM
So, do you really think, after the Covid-19 debacle, the tanking of the economy, the failure to deliver on a good many issues of interest within the local levels of the 'swing' states, and more lacking of himself and his rule combined with an electorate now getting weary of Trump's immaturity in leadership, do you really think he's still gonna get those 88,000 votes again this time around? The greater likelihood is there's gonna be a whole lot more than 88,000 voters who are fed up with Trump since 2016...
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Yes, I still think President Trump will win the National election in November 2020, but as I have stated many times before Trump will turn the White House over to VP Mike Pence (why I do not know).
One scenario you have not anticipated will come from Obama/Biden's closet has not yet been fully explored. The dark secrets of the Obama era will come to light right before the election to sway the voters, that will not even dare go out to the polls in person, to vote for not only President Trump, but for the GOP.
As u crank as stated the democrats are making Biden look silly with the open borders, health care for all, gun control including the rumor (right or wrong) that certain guns will be confiscated,
plus a woman for VP which will work for certain voters, but not for all.
Yes vienna you have not looked at the chess board of the National election in the same way as I have. :yep:
May the best man win and I don't mean between you and me :hmmm:
u crank
03-19-20, 12:04 PM
So, a tacit acknowledgement Trump's occupation of the Oval Office has nothing to to with voter support of him or his policies, but, rather, the ability for a candidate to game and gimmick a flawed electoral system;
This sounds like you are saying that the Trump campaign did something underhanded or perhaps even illegal. What it indicates instead is that Clinton's people were not very smart. Despite out spending Trump almost 2 to 1 Clinton lost. Obviously Trump's money was spent more wisely. There was nothing stopping Hillary's people from 'gaming the system' in a likewise fashion. The truth of the matter is that Robby Mook was out played by Brad Parscale and Kellyanne Conway.
Of course there are other factors as well. Eight years of the Obama administration and Clinton's very flawed character can't be ignored. I am afraid that the Democrats are going to repeat their mistake and bet on another tired old political warhorse who should have been put out to pasture. Biden's train of political baggage is impossible to hide. Gonna be an interesting campaign.
Onkel Neal
03-19-20, 03:20 PM
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190422131846-01-tulsi-gabbard-exlarge-169.jpg
Mr Quatro
03-19-20, 03:30 PM
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190422131846-01-tulsi-gabbard-exlarge-169.jpg
Waving and saying, "Don't forget me in 2024" :yep:
Waving and saying, "Don't forget me in 2024" :yep:
I hope so but I'm betting if she does it won't be as a Democrat. She's pretty much become a pariah in the Dem party ever since Hillary called her a Russian asset. I think she'd probably have to move out of Hawaii first as her state is so locked down blue that she'd have no realistic future with any other party there.
AVGWarhawk
03-20-20, 09:46 AM
Waving and saying, "Don't forget me in 2024" :yep:
She has some crazy ideas. But, I hope she does well against Ivanka. Did I say that? :hmmm:
AVGWarhawk
03-20-20, 09:51 AM
Sorry, since I'm paying for those checks, I'm not doing that. I'll take what I can get.
Of course, I probably won't be included in the handout since I'm solvent and able to take care of myself without relying on the government.
All this money disbursed without any oversight on what it's spent on. I bet the coke and weed dealers are over the moon.
If Trump and Congress were to say the budget would be cut in other areas to make up for this or that recipients would have their payroll taxes slightly increased for the rest of the year to pay it back, it would make more sense. But no, that will never happen in this country. Let's add $10 trillion more to the national debt. :wah: Skybird is right, we are heading for a financial collapse that will make the economic disruption of this virus look small in comparison.
With these bailouts, this could actually trigger the collapse. I know, crazy to say that, could never happen. Like a pandemic could never happen. Excuse me, folks, I need to go check my garden and guns.:shucks:
Give a man a free house and he'll bust out the windows
Put his family on food stamps, now he's a big spender
No food on the table and the bills ain't paid
'Cause he spent it on cigarettes and P.G.A (pure grain alcohol)
They'll turn us all into beggars 'cause they're easier to please;
They're feeding our people that Government Cheese
The bailout and handing out checks is a bad idea. Period. Those out of work should go to the proper channels of the unemployment compensation office. Why are there checks being cut to homes were people have not stopped working as a result of this virus? I'm working. I don't need the check. This is all a very bad precedence. The unemployment office is created for a reason.
Personally, I think a invoice of 10 trillion for this disaster needs to be sent to China.
Rockstar
03-20-20, 10:50 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/stockman-coronavirus-sparking-financial-crisis-wall-street-is-toast.html
“Wall Street is toast,” he told CNBC’s “Trading Nation” on Thursday. “It’s going to end as a financial crisis because the illusion that central banks always have your back and the economy would keep expanding and growing forever and ever ... was complete nonsense.”...
... Stockman contends help from the Federal Reserve won’t be effective.
“We need to let the stock market work. We need to get the Fed out of the way. We need higher interest rates not lower, so all this speculation can get cleaned out of the system,” he said.
On the fiscal side, Stockman suggests the country cannot afford the price tag to bail out the country. A fierce critic of President Trump, he contends the administration’s plan to hand out $2,000 to every American is financially irresponsible and will only postpone an inevitable recession.
Batten down the hatches there's gonna be some crazy days ahead.
AVGWarhawk
03-20-20, 11:09 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/stockman-coronavirus-sparking-financial-crisis-wall-street-is-toast.html
Batten down the hatches there's gonna be some crazy days ahead.
This comes from a group of individuals that talk stock market for a living. Predict this and that but by and large fail in predicting anything with any accuracy. However, I concur that handling out $2000.00 to every American is irresponsible.
Buddahaid
03-20-20, 11:14 AM
Well I need a new computer, no wait, I just bought one.
Catfish
03-20-20, 11:19 AM
Well I need a new computer, no wait, I just bought one.
Is that "slowhand" planning? :hmmm:
Onkel Neal
03-20-20, 10:17 PM
Such self control ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=0UKXoJIDIPc&feature=emb_logo
Buddahaid
03-20-20, 11:19 PM
Such self control ;)
:haha:
Well, let's see...
Fauci was in the midst of testifying, under oath, before Congress, basically refuting everything Trump was trying to foist off on the US public, and he was called back to the White House for a sudden "emergency meeting" and never did go back to finish his testimony, as far as I've seen...
Now, Fauci is on video doing a sort of face-palm over Trump's continued attempts to politicize his response to the Covid-19 crisis...
Wonder who Fauci's replacement will be? Another Trump minion with no medical experience at all or any crisis management background; a minion whose only attribute is a blind willingness to kiss Trump's rump?...
In a way, I hope Trump does try to remove Fauci. Given Fauci has become one of the very few sensible adults to come out of the Corvid-19 situation and that he is pretty much trusted by the public for straight and accurate information, the blowback at Trump would be fun to watch...
...almost as much fun as watching Trump backpedal...
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nikimcbee
03-21-20, 01:25 AM
If it wipes Biden, Warren, Sanders away alongside Trump, its a valid option. :D Include HRC in that, could be a deal?
Jimbuna
03-21-20, 08:02 AM
From 1:00 onwards I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw this with my own eyes! :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRuvlnuHhxE
Rockstar
03-21-20, 08:21 AM
IMO it did seem like a very stupid, unnecessary, useless question. You could even see it on his face that he knew it too after he was chastised for it.
Catfish
03-21-20, 03:33 PM
Charlie Brown: "A virologist just said in the TV: The best weapon in the war against the corona virus is common sense."
Snoopy: "I knew we're screwed."
Catfish
03-21-20, 05:07 PM
[...] You could even see it on his face that he knew it too after he was chastised for it.
You mean the rpoerter? You completely misunderstood his facial expression. Or did you mean Fauci? Same.
Fremdschaemen {n} [ugs.]
[the feeling of shame on someone else's behalf; the feeling of shame for someone else who has done sth. embarrassing] psych.
Mr Quatro
03-22-20, 02:57 PM
https://variety.com/2020/politics/news/rand-paul-coronavirus-kentucky-senator-1203541789/
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/rand-paul.jpg?w=1000&h=563&crop=1
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul has tested positive for COVID-19, becoming the first U.S. senator to contract coronavirus. His office announced the diagnosis on Twitter Sunday morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tyHk68SzWQ
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Rockstar
03-23-20, 10:25 AM
Why should he commit to foregoing funds? His company has just as much right to it as others do. I suppose if there was a bit more to investigative journalism than trying get a rise out of the public or gotcha moments they would have known about guidance concerning this very thing in 31 CFR part 31 which sets forth standards to address and manage or to prohibit conflicts of interest that may arise in connection with the administration and execution of the authorities under the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), established under sections 101 and 102 of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (EESA). Over site for TARP and the ESA is by the majority and minority leaders in both houses congress, The FED, GAO and CBO and a few others determine where the money goes. I dont think the president has a say in the matter. Nor is he listed on any oversight committee.
That dumbass reporter should be asking the ones that do have a say in where it goes. Maybe ask questions like how it will be recovered? what will be the consequences to the economy in the long run? Potential for inflation? How much exactly and where is it going and why? What is the short and long term outlook for our economy. Anything to help educate the public ANYTHING. Nope not a &#%$ chance in hell of that happening I guess.
u crank
03-24-20, 12:06 PM
Once again we let the good Doctor speak for himself.
Dr.Fauci in a radio interview with WMAL’s Morning on the Mall with hosts Vince Coglianese and Mary Walter.
“What the President is trying to do is balance the public health issues with the fact this is having an enormous impact on the economy of the country which may actually, indirectly, cause an incredible amount of harm… even health-wise,”
“The President has listened to what I have said and what the other people on the task force have said. When I’ve made recommendations, he’s taken them. He’s never countered or overridden me. The idea of just pitting one against the other is just not helpful. I wish that would stop and we’d look ahead at the challenge we have. To pull together to get over this thing”.
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/03/24/dr.-anthony-fauci-media-is-trying-to-pit-me-against-donald-trump
Pretty interesting to listen to especially what he says about Italy and their failure to stop people from coming from China until it was to late. Sad really.
New Gallup poll out gives the president a 60% approval rating on his handling of the corona virus.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_president_trumps_handling_of_th e_coronavirus-7088.html
Onkel Neal
03-24-20, 10:38 PM
Yeah, I saw that and other indicators:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics/trump-approval-rating-coronavirus/index.html
Pretty amazing considering how much flailing he's doing.
Mr Quatro
03-25-20, 06:12 AM
Yeah, I saw that and other indicators:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics/trump-approval-rating-coronavirus/index.html
Pretty amazing considering how much flailing he's doing.
It's called advertising with President Trump being in the eye of the public everyday. :yep:
Plus a numbers game of people staying home watching him on TV (on the news channels everyday for his updates)
VP Pence is starting to look like a President too :yep:
Biden and Bernie have disappeared :hmmm:
Rockstar
03-25-20, 11:42 AM
https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Stimulus-bill-prevents-Trump-and-his-family-from-15155772.php
Stimulus bill prevents Trump and his family from benefiting from loan programs...
During a television interview Wednesday morning, Schumer stressed that the provision applies not only to Trump but to "any major figure in government." "That makes sense. Those of us who write the law shouldn't benefit from the law," Schumer said on CNN.
Makes sense I can imagine the national uproar if 'major' public figures benefited from a bailout while the rest of us are still scrounging around for toity papers
Fubar2Niner
03-25-20, 12:13 PM
If this is true, God help the USA;
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/donald-trump-coronavirus-deaths-vs-economy
Onkel Neal
03-25-20, 12:27 PM
It's called advertising with President Trump being in the eye of the public everyday. :yep:
Plus a numbers game of people staying home watching him on TV (on the news channels everyday for his updates)
VP Pence is starting to look like a President too :yep:
Has the opposite effect on me. If I manage not to see Trump talking out his ass, and I hear Beto/Biden scheming to get mah guns, I can imagine holding my nose and *gulp* voting for President Loony Trump.
Was listening to NPR yesterday, a health care clinic in Houston proudly announced they can now test for COVID-19. The host asked some questions, like what are their hours, what's the process, etc. Then he asked, "Does immigration status matter?" The clinic spokeswoman smugly said, "Not at all, we will care for anyone and everyone." :hmmm: Great, if my mother comes down with severe symptoms and I have to take her in, she be in line behind a horde of illegal aliens. :nope:
And they wonder how Trump got elected.
Onkel Neal
03-25-20, 12:36 PM
If this is true, God help the USA;
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/donald-trump-coronavirus-deaths-vs-economy
Good article, I moved it to politics since it is centered around the President's handling of this emergency.
One of the major reasons the United States is in the midst of a health crisis that has killed 427 people and infected at least 34,354 so far is the fatty mass inside Donald Trump’s head that told him If you pretend like none of this is happening, it’ll all just go away. Singularly obsessed with the stock market, the president squandered his opportunity to contain the novel coronavirus out of fear that taking strong action would damage the economy, telling advisers in February not to “do or say anything that would further spook the markets.”
Obviously that plan of “action” backfired so spectacularly that it would be quite funny if not for the whole life and death thing; weirdly, not doing anything about a deadly disease and insisting it was a hoax didn’t actually make investors feel better. Terrified about the fact that the Dow and S&P were still regularly recording some of their worst days since the crash of ’87, Trump decided roughly eight days ago to stop calling the pandemic “fake news” and actually advise people to take it seriously and stay home.
One week, however, apparently represented the president’s upper limit for acting quasi-responsibly. Last Thursday, he reportedly began talking privately about getting people back to work, just three days after the CDC rolled out a campaign to encourage everyone to stay home for at least 15 days. On Sunday, he all-caps tweeted, “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!”
:haha:
Then you have the Texas Lt. Gov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQO3LlHKgUI
If this is true, God help the USA;
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/donald-trump-coronavirus-deaths-vs-economy
Sounds like:
Sacrifice a few thousands for the benefit of millions of people and the wealthy
Markus
Rockstar
03-25-20, 12:50 PM
What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
Of course it becomes political football perpetuated by news sources looking to make a buck. First he's purported to have recommend people to take fish tank cleaner. Now the headlines read he wants to kill off all the old people, because... You can believe whatever you want to believe.
Jimbuna
03-25-20, 01:24 PM
Here's me thinking UK politics had no contenders in the stupidity stakes :doh:
Here's me thinking UK politics had no contenders in the stupidity stakes :doh:
Are you kidding? :har:
Our "conservative vs liberal" fight is every bit as ridiculous as yours, its just different.
:Kaleun_Cheers:
Rockstar
03-25-20, 03:18 PM
The cure really may be worse than the virus. Good luck everyone.
Negative rates come to the US: 1-month and 3-month Treasury bill yields are now below zero
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/negative-rates-come-to-the-us-1-month-and-3-month-treasury-bill-yields-are-now-negative.html
Fubar2Niner
03-25-20, 03:58 PM
Every country in the world is throwing money at this. In the end we'll all pay, the big question is how much. How much do you put on you or your families life?
Onkel Neal
03-25-20, 05:11 PM
Here's your "tolerant" California liberals hoarding and stealing
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1240787113442004992
California(or certain areas in Cali, unsure tbh) passed laws that any theft under $900 is not even a misdemeanor. So in theory you can steal anything from anyone that’s worth less and get away with it even if caught, like the video above shows.
Rockstar
03-25-20, 09:22 PM
Every country in the world is throwing money at this. In the end we'll all pay, the big question is how much. How much do you put on you or your families life?
We are no where near the bottom yet. IMO rght now things are great compared to where gonna be when we get Q2 reports, economic data on GDP and jobless claims. Can you say market collapse? Even China isnt gonna recover as fast some people and ol' Xi are leading you to believe.
https://media.giphy.com/media/qBykyt7AiTOgM/giphy.gif
Kptlt. Neuerburg
03-25-20, 09:26 PM
Here's me thinking UK politics had no contenders in the stupidity stakes :doh: Well Jim just remember.
https://i.postimg.cc/RZLkGXYP/Cwc-Sroh-WQAAidkg-jpg-large-1jpg.jpg
Rockstar
03-25-20, 09:42 PM
Well at least we (U.S. and U.K.) know who to blame (ourselves the electorate, the citizen, elected official). Look at the E.U. it was an unelected parliament and their parliament president 'shotgun Uschi' that made the decision to keep the beloved Schengen Area open until it was way way too late to prevent the outrageously grotesque number of infections they're at now. But the unelected parliament president finally gave the so called sovereign nations permission to close their traditional borders just a few weeks ago.
But ya we're all in a world of hurt in our own screwed up sort of way. But my guess E.U. euros dont know who to crucify since they really dont know whose making all the decisions for them and even if they did, they cant vote them out anyway.
Catfish
03-26-20, 06:24 AM
Glad you found someone to blame apart from China :haha:
B.t.w. the EU is as much an "unelected" government as the US. The EU treaties declare the EU to be based on representative democracy, and direct elections take place to the European Parliament. The EU is not even a government.
The decision to close borders is not seen as a good instrument to stop the virus either and it was the decision of the single national states to do that - the EU is no government and cannot tell single nations what to do.
It would have been much more intelligent not to party on in masses when you were positively tested, like in Austria and in Bavaria, Germany. Cooperation has almost collapsed, Hungary's 'president' tries to accumulate all power to his person, using the crisis for his personal gains.
"The weaknesses don’t stem from an improperly structured society. The fault is in the very imperfect nature of man himself"
But hey it is all the fault of the EU, of course. I must have written this a hundred times here.
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