US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Catfish]

Those anti-Merkel demonstrators in that picture are nazis? But I don't see a swastika or heil salute among them. What gives?
The german intelligence service thinks it is. I also heard Hocke once, "before his radicalisation" lol. Found him already unbearable then, using nazi jargon in his diatribes. But it has become a fashion lately.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/world/europe/afd-election-east-germany-hoecke.html

[August]

The german intelligence service thinks it is. I also heard Hocke once, "before his radicalisation" lol. Found him already unbearable then, using nazi jargon in his diatribes. But it has become a fashion lately.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/world/europe/afd-election-east-germany-hoecke.html


Well this is wrong thread to get into depth on this but from the link you posted this party was not created as nazis or by nazis and there is a big schism within it with only a faction being seen as cozying up to actual nazis. Of course it's the NYT so who knows how accurate that is. :)

[Rockstar]

You can find nazis everywhere.

http://www.eu-facts.org/en/background/dark_roots_europe_lecture.html

[Mr Quatro]

You can find nazis everywhere.

http://www.eu-facts.org/en/background/dark_roots_europe_lecture.html

You shall know them by their tattoos :D

Breaking News Hillary Clinton won the Iowa caucuses last year 31% and Bernie Sanders was 2nd at 14%

Proves they were wrong last year and they will be wrong again this year :D

[Buddahaid]

I think I'll have to vote for Mickey Mouse again. I don't like any of the Democratic contenders and I refuse to vote for Trump like last time. He'll most likely win a second term but at least I'll have the satisfaction of not voting for him.

[Onkel Neal]

Same here, write in for someone sane.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

The results of the Iowa Caucus are strangely late coming in. Am I paranoid in thinking the DNC might be trying to "fix" it to what they want?

[MaDef]

The results of the Iowa Caucus are strangely late coming in. Am I paranoid in thinking the DNC might be trying to "fix" it to what they want?I don't think that's it. I think in order to avoid the problems of 2016 they over compensated and made the whole system overly complicated, as a result nobody knows whats going on or what to do about it. Classic "Chinese fire drill".

Just think.... This time next year these clowns could be running the federal government.

[Skybird]

German media describe the procedural going and organisation as a formidable debacle...

[Onkel Neal]

See? We don't need the Russians to screw up our elections. We got Trump and the Democratic Party. :)

[Skybird]

Thats what happens if you think that doing tbings digitally is a purpose i itself. Why does it take an app to communicate a voting result?


I do my telephone numbers keeping and calnbder stuff via an old-fashioned paper-booklet until today. Strangely, whatever I look up and search for, I find it faster with that, than with any organiser or digital toy gadget. And for the most I still type often used telephone numbers manually until today, not using electronic telephone databases. Its faster. And has the added advanatge that the databse cannot be hgacked and stolen.



Doing things digitally is NO purpose in itself. Its not even "cool". Its just a tool, that either fits, or does not.



The whole digitalization of the voting circus is just an invitation for hacking, manipulation, and getting problems.

[mapuc]

Another question

A few days back I could read and hear our media telling us, that Bernie Sanders was favorite to win in Iowa.

This made me wonder

What kind of USA can an American expect if he should win the next Presidential election ?

Markus

[Skybird]

What kind of USA can an American expect if he should win the next Presidential election ?

Most likely the same kind of America that Trump has left behind - this time just from the extreme left. Trump is Trumpism and Trumponomics from the right, Sanders is Trumpism and Trumponomics from the left. None of the two is better than the other. Both are a desaster and an impertinence. Sanders certainly is a radical socialist, if not worse. He applauded Hugo Chavez' socialist policy in Venzuela, and found complimenting words for various aspects of state-run services in and aspects of the Soviet Union. He claims to be what in Germany si called a solcial democrat (pointless German phrase, btw), but he is just a strict socialist believing in strong state and regulating the individual's life, nothing less. From European perspetvie, he seems to be the poreferrable option,l compared to Trump, because the EU is on the same kind of trip like Sanders. To me, both are so bad options that I refuse to choose between them. I unconditionally oppose both.

I see no votable candidate at all, not on the Dems' and not on the Reps' side. Every single one of them is a total and complete fail. But it was like that last time and the time before already.

Iowa: with this kind of chaos, the Dems have no chance to challenge Trump on anything. They have made complete monkeys of themselves. This does not mean that Trump can already feel safe in the next elections: he just has allowed landmines again, and so maybe he steps onto one. Then the election would be open again.

[u crank]

Oh man if this doesn't cause heads to explode in the Sanders campaign.

The tech firm that designed the app used by the Iowa Democratic Party to report the results of its caucus is run by veterans of the Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign.

The Huffington Post reported the app was designed by Shadow, Inc., which was founded by Gerard Niemira and Krista Davis. Both Niemira and Davis worked on the Clinton campaign, ...


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/clinton-campaign-alums-run-firm-that-built-failed-iowa-caucus-app/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=flex&utm_term=first

I'm not saying it is suspicious. But it's suspicious.:D

Iowa Democratic Party communications director Mandy McClure said in a statement on Monday night.

“This is simply a reporting issue, the app did not go down and this is not a hack or an intrusion. The underlying data and paper trail is sound and will simply take time to further report the results.”


If you say so.:O:

[Catfish]

You can find nazis everywhere.
http://www.eufacts.org/en/background/dark_roots_europe_lecture.html
The doctor who claimed his vitamins would cure Aids in South Africa?
"The Dr Rath Foundation focuses its promotional activities on eight countries - the US, the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, South Africa, Spain, France and Russia - claiming that his micronutrient products will cure not just Aids, but cancer, heart disease, strokes and other illnesses."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/sep/12/matthiasrath.aids2

Seems he found another field. This website.. god :rotfl2:

[Jimbuna]

I really can't see any of the Democrat hopefuls beating Trump.

[Catfish]

Anyone should, but i fear you are right.

[Jimbuna]

Iowa caucus: 'I'm the winner' says Trump amid Democrat chaos.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51375880

[Mr Quatro]

I really can't see any of the Democrat hopefuls beating Trump.

Me either, but what a hoot that would be if the winner was Sanders with known Socialist tendencies and even worse promises to over through the US government normal ways of doing things. :o

Biden will win the nomination no matter what happens in Iowa :yep:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Just think.... This time next year these clowns could be running the federal government.

Я абсолютно уверен, что Республиканская партия обманет их путь к очередной победе на выборах !!

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I really can't see any of the Democrat hopefuls beating Trump.

Certainly with the blatant GOP cheating!!!

[AVGWarhawk]

Another question

A few days back I could read and hear our media telling us, that Bernie Sanders was favorite to win in Iowa.

This made me wonder

What kind of USA can an American expect if he should win the next Presidential election ?

Markus

You can expect a boat load of Bernie voters who will be very disappointed when FREE money and college is not paid for by the US government. Much like the nice lady who stated, "Obama is going to pay my mortgage". That never worked out for that nice lady. Sure, Bernie will start writing Executive Orders like mad man because he is a mad man. It will be met with much resistance. I do not expect Bernie to win the nomination anyway. He is not part of the democratic machine. He is Bernie the self prescribed socialist. But it is hard for Bernie to be "that guy" who understands the little man's problems and big government will take care of them when Bernie himself has helped his family to the financial windfall of being a career politician. Bernie will be squashed as it was done with the last DNC election.

Maybe, just maybe one day Bernie will comb his hair with a comb and not a balloon. The guy constantly looks like slept in his clothing and not showered after the all night banger he just woke from.


https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/84329544_1656717527829385_8940496033222230016_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=5kNfayk2R28AX8VTCcQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&oh=9dbbf71d07362a5040bc774d64ccc817&oe=5E8E49F8

[AVGWarhawk]

I really can't see any of the Democrat hopefuls beating Trump.

You have excellent sight.

[AVGWarhawk]

Me either, but what a hoot that would be if the winner was Sanders with known Socialist tendencies and even worse promises to over through the US government normal ways of doing things. :o

Biden will win the nomination no matter what happens in Iowa :yep:


Bloomberg is the person to worry about. The man will BUY his way to the presidency. He is currently buying his way into the DNC and getting the nomination. He is a 78 year old man with 61 billion. Can't take it with you. Might as well buy the presidency before he goes.

[Mr Quatro]

Well I just did a search for a post I made many moons ago about how that Mayor gay guy Buttigieg was a sleeper for the democratic party nomination.

But I couldn't find it ... But I did find a bunch of dumb post that I have made.
I'm getting out of US Politics ... I'll just stick what I know ... Nothing :D


Now with 62% of the votes in Buttigieg (boy that's hard to spell) is the leader of the pack with 26.9% of the votes

Buttigieg = 26.9%
Sanders = 24.1%
Warren = 18.3%
Biden = 15.6%
Klobuchar = 12.6%

everyone else is 1% or less

Could this unexpected shake up be the real reason they are counting everything by hand? :yep:

[JU_88]

Bloomberg is the person to worry about. The man will BUY his way to the presidency. He is currently buying his way into the DNC and getting the nomination. He is a 78 year old man with 61 billion. Can't take it with you. Might as well buy the presidency before he goes.


I cant see him winning. Trumps tried and tested now, its been... er....interesting.... but he wasnt quite as dire as many expected, the econemy is still sticky taped together and nobodies nuked anyone yet at least. Trump basically talks trash - then negotiates. (bark is worse than his bite)
The woke left / never Trumpers/ wont dig Bloomberg. another 'rich old white man' etc. and hes too establishment for the Bernie crowd. I guess he could attract some moderates & fence sitters, but probably not enough of them.
All Trump has to really do is come out and say 'bla bla Jobs / nobody does jobs like me' and he gets a another 4 years probably.
Meanwhile the Dems are chewing off their own legs with fantasies of open borders and over estimating their share of the Latino /African American vote.

[Sailor Steve]

I'll just stick what I know ... Nothing :D:
Does that mean I know less than nothing?

[Rockstar]

https://theoutline.com/post/8636/acronym-shadow-iowa-caucus-results-disaster?zd=1&zi=2lxgxnyt

It seems that Acronym, with its bold-faced plans to spend big in an effort to take down Donald Trump, perfectly encapsulates how in 2020 this money-soaked Democratic political culture inevitably leads to one place: failure.

[Onkel Neal]

Bloomberg is the person to worry about. The man will BUY his way to the presidency. He is currently buying his way into the DNC and getting the nomination. He is a 78 year old man with 61 billion. Can't take it with you. Might as well buy the presidency before he goes.


I hear you, but let me ask a question: Bloomberg is not actually buying the office, he is just spending tons of money advertising himself. It's actually up to us to tune him out, right? I mean, isn't he simply the click-bait version of a candidate? The average Joe is smart enough to make up his on mind, right? I hope so, or we've found another failing of democracy. :06:

[Buddahaid]

Enter Skybird. "Don't vote it just encourages them."

[MaDef]

just watched the State of the Union. All I can say is that Nancy Pelosi is a crass woman. and Trump is going to come out swinging at his next rally after the impeachment vote tomorrow.

[Onkel Neal]

Well, gotta say, Trump should have shook her hand when she offered it.

Speech was good, though, and it appears he finally understands how valuable an appeal to black working class men will be for him.

[MaDef]

While it was a good SotU speech, I think it doubled as the opening salvo in his re-election campaign. I watched the Democrat's side of the chamber during the speech, and didn't see any happy faces at all even though he touched on a couple of signature issues for them.

[Buddahaid]

just watched the State of the Union. All I can say is that Nancy Pelosi is a crass woman. and Trump is going to come out swinging at his next rally after the impeachment vote tomorrow.

They should fit together nicely since Trump has been so full of respect for his opponents and never stoops to childish name calling or other such kindergarten behavior.

[MaDef]

They should fit together nicely since Trump has been so full of respect for his opponents and never stoops to childish name calling or other such kindergarten behavior.maybe so, but it will be one pissing match that will be fun to watch.

[Skybird]

Well, gotta say, Trump should have shook her hand when she offered it.

Speech was good, though, and it appears he finally understands how valuable an appeal to black working class men will be for him.
If black working class men are stupid enough to believe him. Lets assume they are just ordinary human people. Then why the heck should they...?

[Onkel Neal]

If black working class men are stupid enough to believe him. Lets assume they are just ordinary human people. Then why the heck should they...?

Uh because they pay taxes too? Because they don't want illegals taking their jobs and working for low rates? Because they have 2nd amendment rights?

[Skybird]

Uh because they pay taxes too? Because they don't want illegals taking their jobs and working for low rates? Because they have 2nd amendment rights?
And the things not pointing in their favour?

Not to mention: pride?

Well, of course I am too far outside as if I would really make an estimation on the mood and views inside such a big community in another country. I just cannot imagine that men are this easy to be bribed into second-grade-citizenship that has them at huge enmpircla disadvantages in many sociological and eochomical indices: average income, health, mortality, averge life expectancy, police racism, and so forth.

And master's hand is not already loved better just because on some days it swings the whip not as hard.

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Anyhow, after the Iowa debacle for the Democrats, only one question remains: how much are these clowns wishing to indeed have no chance next year? :D

[AVGWarhawk]

I hear you, but let me ask a question: Bloomberg is not actually buying the office, he is just spending tons of money advertising himself. It's actually up to us to tune him out, right? I mean, isn't he simply the click-bait version of a candidate? The average Joe is smart enough to make up his on mind, right? I hope so, or we've found another failing of democracy. :06:

In a sense he is buying an election with unabated purchasing of commercials about himself as well as disparaging Trump. Much like any candidate does but he has a deep checkbook and could run a new commercial everyday! I have seen one of the commercials. Trump is blamed for everything. The average Joe will see the current line up of candidates. It is not a pretty sight. However, Bloomberg appears to have his act together. The others are too far left or simply nuts. Biden is now really tarnished with the Ukraine debacle and his son. I could see Bloomberg getting the nomination. However, he will not beat Trump.

I'm really surprised with Buttigieg and leading Iowa.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, gotta say, Trump should have shook her hand when she offered it.

Speech was good, though, and it appears he finally understands how valuable an appeal to black working class men will be for him.

No on the handshake. She started the problem with not announcing the president in the House as it is traditionally spoken. Furthermore, the last SOTU address she snubbed him with the patsy clapping. The woman has been nothing but a thorn. She finished with ripping up the speech. It is obvious she has no respect for Trump. The feeling appears mutual.

As far as black working class and honoring them, it is Black History month. If Trump honored all white people he would be run out on a rail. But he went even further to appeal to many races, colors and creeds. As well as women(military wife and kids) sacrificing for the country. The thing here for me is he truly appeared sincere. Call me crazy. Three years ago I thought he was just a talking head.

The country is doing well and no thanks to Congress who has now spent a better part of 3 years looking to remove Trump. Just imagine what could be done if they all truly worked together for the good of the country and not party.

[AVGWarhawk]

While it was a good SotU speech, I think it doubled as the opening salvo in his re-election campaign. I watched the Democrat's side of the chamber during the speech, and didn't see any happy faces at all even though he touched on a couple of signature issues for them.

If you watch the last SOTU the Democrats did much the same. Sat on their hands. Sadly, most could not clap and stand for those honored. These are Americans making it day by day as best they can. Trump recognizes their drive, desire and succeeding. Yet, a Democrat can't stand and acknowledge a young girl receiving a scholarship award. A military man who has 4 tours...count'em...4 tours arriving home to his wife and kids unannounced. Nothing but stone faced children. Col, Charles McGee...a man I met. Spoke with. Signed his book for me. Hundreds of missions over Europe...these dopes can not stand and honor him. Just disrespectful. I mean honestly, what bone do they have to pick with McGee?

The State of the Union was once a nonpartisan exercise, a simple address from America’s leader to all Americans. Not any longer.

[Buddahaid]

The problem with that is what is considered good for the country. It appears there isn't even consensus on a few core issues.

[AVGWarhawk]

If black working class men are stupid enough to believe him. Lets assume they are just ordinary human people. Then why the heck should they...?

Why would the working class black not believe Trump?

[Aktungbby]

No on the handshake. She started the problem with not announcing the president in the House as it is traditionally spoken. Furthermore, the last SOTU address she snubbed him with the patsy clapping. The woman has been nothing but a thorn. She finished with ripping up the speech. It is obvious she has no respect for Trump. The feeling appears mutual.

As far as black working class and honoring them, it is Black History month. If Trump honored all white people he would be run out on a rail. But he went even further to appeal to many races, colors and creeds. As well as women(military wife and kids) sacrificing for the country. The thing here for me is he truly appeared sincere. Call me crazy. Three years ago I thought he was just a talking head.

The country is doing well and no thanks to Congress who has now spent a better part of 3 years looking to remove Trump. Just imagine what could be done if they all truly worked together for the good of the country and not party. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppoElx09wFk

[mapuc]

There is voters who I call jumpers, they jump from one party to another on each or third election or from one politician to an another.

I have no doubt that there will be American voters who will put their vote on the Dem candidate. As a desperate measure to get Trump out of the White House. Voters who have voted Rep, but will jump over to Dem.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

There is voters who I call jumpers, they jump from one party to another on each or third election or from one politician to an another.

I have no doubt that there will be American voters who will put their vote on the Dem candidate. As a desperate measure to get Trump out of the White House. Voters who have voted Rep, but will jump over to Dem.

Markus

You left out one option Markus :yep:

They won't vote at all :o

[AVGWarhawk]

There is voters who I call jumpers, they jump from one party to another on each or third election or from one politician to an another.

I have no doubt that there will be American voters who will put their vote on the Dem candidate. As a desperate measure to get Trump out of the White House. Voters who have voted Rep, but will jump over to Dem.

Markus

I know of no jump voters personally. I know plenty that vote straight ticket. As such, there will not be enough jump voters to make a difference IMO.

[AVGWarhawk]

You left out one option Markus :yep:

They won't vote at all :o

This is more likely.

[mapuc]

You left out one option Markus :yep:

They won't vote at all :o

And you are correct.

It's more likely a Republican voters will stay home then betray their party.

From hearing the news I think it's very likely Mr. Trump will be sitting in the White House until 2024.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

And the things not pointing in their favour?

Not to mention: pride?

Well, of course I am too far outside as if I would really make an estimation on the mood and views inside such a big community in another country. I just cannot imagine that men are this easy to be bribed into second-grade-citizenship that has them at huge enmpircla disadvantages in many sociological and eochomical indices: average income, health, mortality, averge life expectancy, police racism, and so forth.

And master's hand is not already loved better just because on some days it swings the whip not as hard.

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Anyhow, after the Iowa debacle for the Democrats, only one question remains: how much are these clowns wishing to indeed have no chance next year? :D

If all you know about black men in America is what you see on the MSM, then I can see why you would think that.

Not sure what you mean about second-grade citizenship, that's kinda degrading to assume, though.

No on the handshake. She started the problem with not announcing the president in the House as it is traditionally spoken. Furthermore, the last SOTU address she snubbed him with the patsy clapping. The woman has been nothing but a thorn. She finished with ripping up the speech. It is obvious she has no respect for Trump. The feeling appears mutual.

This is just my opinion but when your opponent gives you a chance to make yourself look bad, you shouldn't take it.

The problem with that is what is considered good for the country. It appears there isn't even consensus on a few core issues.

Agree 100%. No idea how we overcome that. :(

[Skybird]

I talk aboutr racism and ethnicity-based disadvantaging, Neal. Its a sociological finding with very strong empirical fundament that often seems to be ignored in the US because the law says it is not so or the claim is "it cannot be what should not be". Still, the case is made time and again. Comparable to Germany claiming by its constitution to be a secular country, while the special treatment of Islam-related cases at courts or the financial favouring of the churches in Germany speak clear evidence that Germany is anything - but not secular at all.

If I were living in the US, no matter my skin colour, and would have a job that exists because the president claism to have made it so, I sitll would not be thnakful and vote for him, if he would behave like Trump. Dirt remains to be dirt and a foul character remains to be a fpould character - and the many occaisons on which he showed utmost offensive behavuour and language would not suddenly seize to exist in the history books. Not to mention that the claimed economical success of Trump imo rest on feet of clay and are borrowed from the future only, fin ancially. Debts are soaring, the dollar isinflating like crazy and the military seems to exist only to defend the bancrupt dollar and the bancrupt dollar protects itself by financing the military, and the stock values seem to have gone through the ceiling. When years ago nthe FED reverse the low interest policy and raised interests again I wrote here in the fourm that it will not take long until it must stop that and lower them again, and what has happened? In 2019 the FEd reduced ionterests three times again - not becasue Trump wan ted it, but becasue by it sown money theory it had no tohe rhcnace, the attempt to escape the low interst drama had fialed with flying colours, and it will never go back to normal again. Especially the latter should make you think, Neil! What happens when you inflate the volume of money? Prices go up. People flee in gold, property, assets. What has happened to the FEDs (and ECB's) "Bilanzsumme", I think that is "total assets"? They went steeply up. Who is the biggest customer of state bonds today? Central banks. No san eporivate peopel buys them anymore, China and Russia have practically abandoned Us bonds completely, and reshifted into gold.

Stock holders should not feel safe. It has beocme incraiosngly common tzat companies buy back their stocks in the present, becasue there is so mjuch value-free money that they do not know what to do with it, and then they reduce stock shares and force porivaste investors out again, who then are left with almost nothing than just a heap of inflation-banknotes. Whjat they planned top be the basis of their econiomic income once they had become old, has disappeared. The Euro since it appeared has lost 30% of its buying power, the loss in buying power of the dollar is said to be in the rnage of 20-30% as well. The ammount of circulating money, both printed banknotes and book money, has multifgplied ba severla factors. Debts are higher than 2003 and 2007. The ETF marfket has formed a snowballing bubble - and nobody seems to realise it.

You seem to take the firework Trump is firing for lasting success and for real. But like me you are not yet old enough to escape the surprise at the end of the show.

Trump does what he does best: bluffing, and leaving the bills to pay to tohers later on. that means: YOU, and the world as well. Meanwhile the suicide rates amongst some of his core voter groups - farmers - is at record heights, and five to six times above national mean frequency over all job areas. College loans deny increasing parts of the academically educated population a truly sovereign future and keepo them in financial dependency leaving them vulnerable to low wage exploitation later on. The usual suspects amongst disadvantaged social groups trai further and further behind in life expectancy and access to self-sustaining jobs and careers, access to health care. The tax reductions mainly benefit those who have much, and not so muh those who have little. The gap betgween rich and poor is drmataically win deing, which creates an awesome lot of social explosve. The fundament of financing the needed funding of future pensions is beign eroded by havign destroyed the credibility of the currency system.

You applaud this? With so much nitroglycerine around, I say you better dont clap your hands even a single time anymore. Like Europe, you live on tick. The system already plays in overtime, and the scoring tie exists only because the referees were massively bribed. Some years ago I said: where Greece back then was, Germany will be, and maybe sooner than one imagines. I could as well say: where Argentine has been, the US will be. Once the world cannot afford to believe in the dollar bluff anymore, its power will collapse. Such currency cancer like we allowed to unfold, cannot be survived. Its lethal, and economically we all lie in intensive care already. We just do not want to realise it. We can run, but we cannot hide. Stocks, gold, property, cash money - the state will steal it either way. The state always does (and nobody knows that better than Germany, we have had over half a dozen of currencies in less than 100 years).

Note that my viewsd here are not my own creation. I just summarise and bring together the views of many other, more promient people, and arange the peices into a single biugge rpricture, in a way that the poeices makes best possibole sense to me. Needless to say: the picture I get this way, is one I do not like at all. Its frightening. And it should be.

[MaDef]

Note that my viewsd here are not my own creation. I just summarise and bring together the views of many other, more promient people, and arange the peices into a single biugge rpricture, in a way that the poeices makes best possibole sense to me. Needless to say: the picture I get this way, is one I do not like at all. Its frightening. And it should be.
That's why that wall of text makes very little sense

[Onkel Neal]

Needless to say: the picture I get this way, is one I do not like at all. Its frightening. And it should be.

The only thing I find frightening* is the ease with which a growing segment of society can detach itself from the realities of human nature. I'll say again, because I have lived it: opportunties here are fantastic, if people will make the smart choices and work hard.

* I don't really find it "frightening", as in I fear it. But it does annoy me.

[AVGWarhawk]

I talk aboutr racism and ethnicity-based disadvantaging, Neal.

That is all well and good but what is your plan to fix it? Reparations? All ethnicity have some degree of disadvantaging. Some believe some members in society are handed everything. I'm not sure about you but where I live..many ethnicity are driving cars 4 times the cost of mine, live in a home 5 times larger and send their kids to private schools. Was it easy for these people to get to where they are? Probably not, however, ultimately they got there with hard work and perseverance. The point being, the opportunity is there if one works for it. Yes, it sounds simplistic. Yes, some working for it have it easier to obtain the goal. There is no way around it. But sitting on ones laurel waiting on a Bernie Sanders to send them a check is not a recipe for success.

[Skybird]

The message of the farce the senate has delivered:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/05/opinions/trump-impeachment-acquittal-opinion-dantonio/index.html

[Buddahaid]

This is nothing new and as old as the system. Try reading newspapers from 100 years ago.

[Aktungbby]

This is nothing new and as old as the system. Try reading newspapers from 100 years ago. https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2639883&postcount=8222 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2639883&postcount=8222)
well....:hmmm: we've washed our hands on this one;https://media1.tenor.com/images/bc96753a2002058d6e9957c0e41629a2/tenor.gif?itemid=14388418 who we gonna crucify next!:yep::O:

[AVGWarhawk]

The message of the farce the senate has delivered:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/05/opinions/trump-impeachment-acquittal-opinion-dantonio/index.html

CNN just loves Trump. Do you believe CNN may be a bit jaded with Trump and what Trump feels about CNN? Do you realize Trump never asks CNN to any news releases or conferences? CNN will somehow vilify Trump if he saved a puppy from drowning.

The only message here is, others in this position that came before played the same games. But there was two differences, the other team was not out to get them at all costs as Trump was the day he was sworn in(Russian collusion). There was no plants that would become whistle blowers.

[mapuc]

The comment above ^ made me wonder.

Which media can a person trust, when it comes to Mr. Trump ?

We have a few channel here in Denmark who have news program on their schedule or some kind of documentary and all of them seems to have joined some international (we-don't-like-Trump-as-President-and-as-a-person)club

Then there is those alt-right media. I have problems trusting those media.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

The comment above ^ made me wonder.

Which media can a person trust, when it comes to Mr. Trump ?

We have a few channel here in Denmark who have news program on their schedule or some kind of documentary and all of them seems to have joined some international (we-don't-like-Trump-as-President-and-as-a-person)club

Then there is those alt-right media. I have problems trusting those media.

Markus

Not many. OneAmericanNews OAN I hear actually provides news and not opinion like the major networks. But who knows. I trust none of them.

[Dowly]

Not many. OneAmericanNews OAN I hear actually provides news and not opinion like the major networks. But who knows. I trust none of them.
OANN is on the extreme right.

[u crank]

Which media can a person trust, when it comes to Mr. Trump ?

Unfortunatly you can't. My own personal belief is that you have to shop around and get a variety of opinions and then make up your own mind. In the internet age that is very easy.

This web site is excellent. A wide range of views with no editorializing.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com

If you are going to find out something close to the truth you are going to have to work for it.

[Onkel Neal]

The only message here is, others in this position that came before played the same games. But there was two differences, the other team was not out to get them at all costs as Trump was the day he was sworn in(Russian collusion). There was no plants that would become whistle blowers.

Well, as I see it, this opposition undermining the present president thing has been going on as long as I have been around. They were certainly doing it during the Nixon administration, Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama. I think the big difference is the level of escalation.

I mean, during Clinton the Republicans were looking for any dirt they could find on Slick Willy. And they succeeded, maneuvering him right into a perjury trap. I don't feel one bit of remorse for Clinton, the patronizing, lying, woman abusing sob. But I will grant him this; he was much more centrist and willing to work with the right than Obama.

The Democrats undercut Bush II every chance they got.

The Republicans would not work with Obama, they neutered his presidency from the start (with good cause in many cases), even went so far as to deny his right to fill a Supreme Court vacancy, which even I think was brazen and wrong (but again, I have to admit I was happy about the outcome).

Trump brings a lot of this on himself, he does not try to smooth-talk or negotiate with his opponents. And that may be the right approach. But it certainly is leading us down a path to civil war: we have two equally sized sides in this country who are getting farther apart and less hindered by tact and civility. A powderkeg.

Trump will likely be the last Republican/conservative president, with the way the illegal immigration and watering down of American masculinity is going. And we conservatives will have to learn how to be a permanent minority, politically.

I think in the end, that will work out. I mean, we may have a couple generations of increasing poverty, having our lives managed by govt bureaucrats, and dependence on government, followed by a tougher generation who can see why our Founding Fathers decried tyranny and excessive government in the first place. I only wish I could be around for the Second American Revolution.

[u crank]

Trump will likely be the last Republican/conservative president, with the way the illegal immigration and watering down of American masculinity is going. And we conservatives will have to learn how to be a permanent minority, politically.

I think in the end, that will work out. I mean, we may have a couple generations of increasing poverty, having our lives managed by govt bureaucrats, and dependence on government, followed by a tougher generation who can see why our Founding Fathers decried tyranny and excessive government in the first place. I only wish I could be around for the Second American Revolution.

That is a distinct possibility but there is another one that is unfolding right now. There is a war going on in the Democrat party that could be a disaster for them. If the divide between the extreme left/progressives and the moderate wing gets out of control any possibility of winning the WH might be lost. In my humble opinion this was caused when Obama refused to endorse Biden. He may have had good reasons but it opened the door for Sanders, Warren and Buttigieg to gain ground.

Pass the popcorn. :D

[Bilge_Rat]

This web site is excellent. A wide range of views with no editorializing.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com



yes, probably the best out there, they will usually present both a pro-Trump and anti-Trump article on the same story. You read both and the Truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

"The Hill" and "Politico" are not bad, both usually have an anti-Trump bias, but they are not overtly partisan like CNN or FOX.

If you want an intelligent conservative publication, "The Federalist" is a good choice. They have well written articles and bring up interesting subjects that more mainstream sites ignore.

[u crank]

If you want an intelligent conservative publication, "The Federalist" is a good choice. They have well written articles and bring up interesting subjects that more mainstream sites ignore.

Agreed and it is home to one of the best and smartest people in the media trade, Mollie Hemingway.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, as I see it, this opposition undermining the present president thing has been going on as long as I have been around. They were certainly doing it during the Nixon administration, Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama. I think the big difference is the level of escalation.

I mean, during Clinton the Republicans were looking for any dirt they could find on Slick Willy. And they succeeded, maneuvering him right into a perjury trap. I don't feel one bit of remorse for Clinton, the patronizing, lying, woman abusing sob. But I will grant him this; he was much more centrist and willing to work with the right than Obama.

The Democrats undercut Bush II every chance they got.

The Republicans would not work with Obama, they neutered his presidency from the start (with good cause in many cases), even went so far as to deny his right to fill a Supreme Court vacancy, which even I think was brazen and wrong (but again, I have to admit I was happy about the outcome).

Trump brings a lot of this on himself, he does not try to smooth-talk or negotiate with his opponents. And that may be the right approach. But it certainly is leading us down a path to civil war: we have two equally sized sides in this country who are getting farther apart and less hindered by tact and civility. A powderkeg.

Trump will likely be the last Republican/conservative president, with the way the illegal immigration and watering down of American masculinity is going. And we conservatives will have to learn how to be a permanent minority, politically.

I think in the end, that will work out. I mean, we may have a couple generations of increasing poverty, having our lives managed by govt bureaucrats, and dependence on government, followed by a tougher generation who can see why our Founding Fathers decried tyranny and excessive government in the first place. I only wish I could be around for the Second American Revolution.

I concur that the aggressive nature to remove Trump since day one is unmatched. Even today, Trump beat the emoluments lawsuit brought on yet by the Democrats. It is relentless. Yet, the guy gets up everyday and does the job salary free.

The Clinton years I remember well. As a person I did not like him. As an individual who worked with others to get the job done, "balance the budget" and left the Oval Office in somewhat good standings, I liked him.

Obama was and never will be good for this country. I felt extremely stagnant for 8 years. He was in over his head and not prepared to run a country. It was auto-pilot as I see it. I believe Obama to be a greater divider than Trump will ever be.

I'm not sure by definition Trump is a Republican. But, I don't think he will be the last Republican(can't register as King). Say hello to Ivanka. Time for a woman president many are saying. Why the hell does it need to a woman who registered as a democrat?

As for your last paragraph, I concur with your prediction. Not sure about the next American Revolution. However, if you want to start penning a book about it let me know.

[AVGWarhawk]

Trump cleaning house after impeachment trail:

Vindman FIRED.


https://i.imgur.com/Xbq2FQZ.jpg

[Skybird]

Forseeable that the laws protecting whistelblowers would be ignored by the scum around Al Capone, but still saddening. Another piece of law and order being buried in a foggy night. The man did obey his legal obligations and followed the procedures for such cases. But maybe he should feel lucky that he escaped a knife in his back. So far at least.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51408704



Top Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer said the Pentagon had assured him in December that "patriots and whistleblowers" like Lt Col Vindman would be protected.
"Any reprisals against him or others who came forward to tell the truth are wrong and should be seen for what they are: An extension of President Trump's cover-up."
But Republican Congressman Thomas Massie said he would have fired Lt Col Vindman.
"He's a leaker, not a whistleblower," Mr Massie said. "Current Commander in Chief doesn't take orders from a Lt Col!"

Crappy comments from a crappy brain.



Amongst the first lessons any staff in the WH is being briefed on, is what a demand to blow the whistle is, and what to do when it applies, and what procedure has to be followed in order to do so, and that this procedure has the full guaranteed protection of the law and law enforcement.



Well. Laws are overrated. Lets ignore them.


Deeper and deeper into the dirt America slides.

[MaDef]

Amongst the first lessons any staff in the WH is being briefed on, is what a demand to blow the whistle is, and what to do when it applies, and what procedure has to be followed in order to do so, and that this procedure has the full guaranteed protection of the law and law enforcement. First, being in the military, if you blow the "whistle" for any reason you better follow the chain of command, and if you do jump the chain of command, you better have all your ducks in a row, or you'll be seen as nothing more than a disgruntled employee.

Having been in the military, I've seen my share of members "go outside the chain of command" for redress, and more often than not once the dust settled they were transfer'd off the base either to civilian life or another command. Col. Vindman's treatment is not extraordinary. Odds are he will announce his retirement in the near future.

[August]

Trump cleaning house after impeachment trail:

Vindman FIRED.


https://i.imgur.com/Xbq2FQZ.jpg


And much joy is had.


https://i.imgur.com/q6dxwJa.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

So goes another democratic debate. Not one US flag on stage. What group is pushing the divide in this country? Trump? I think not. That started during Obama's tenure. Mr. Autopilot. Nice to see at least one had an issue with a democratic socialist running.

[Buddahaid]

See the difference between class and trash.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=crmas&p=clinton+impeachment+speech+trump+speech#id=2&vid=fbffffc5e9ba371fd7da33350137d320&action=click

[Onkel Neal]

See the difference between class and trash.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=crmas&p=clinton+impeachment+speech+trump+speech#id=2&vid=fbffffc5e9ba371fd7da33350137d320&action=click


Hold on! You actually think Bill was sincere? You fell for that? You realize he was employing a strategy of getting people off his back, no?

Boy, he's good! Don't feel bad, I voted for him in 1991 :shucks:

[Buddahaid]

Sincere, or not, the message was one of healing, and unity, and it WAS good. Trump's message was a big middle finger and Bronx cheer. No class, no appeal to Americans' to put differences aside and work together in the aftermath. Just spit, venom, ego, and no more sincere than a snake oil salesman's pitch.

[Rockstar]

get busted for infidelities, adultery and lying to congress. but thats OK because he's such a smooth talking classy guy. :doh:


healing and unity? guess somebody should have thought of that before they went forward with this boondoggle, dont ya think?

[Buddahaid]

They all should have including, and most importantly, the president. But that is something beyond his shallowness and what will define his presidency, or at least strongly influence his legacy.

Trump has no moral high ground as far as his relationships are concerned, maybe even less.

[MaDef]

They all should have including, and most importantly, the president. But that is something beyond his shallowness and what will define his presidency, or at least strongly influence his legacy.

Trump has no moral high ground as far as his relationships are concerned, maybe even less.

If you believe that, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.

[Buddahaid]

Nice try, I have two properties close enough already. Yours are subject to a property inspection report as regards to value.

[AVGWarhawk]

Sincere, or not, the message was one of healing, and unity, and it WAS good. Trump's message was a big middle finger and Bronx cheer. No class, no appeal to Americans' to put differences aside and work together in the aftermath. Just spit, venom, ego, and no more sincere than a snake oil salesman's pitch.

Exactly what is needed to run a country. Appears to be working with his approval rating at 49 percent. Keep on spitting the venom.

[AVGWarhawk]

They all should have including, and most importantly, the president. But that is something beyond his shallowness and what will define his presidency, or at least strongly influence his legacy.

Trump has no moral high ground as far as his relationships are concerned, maybe even less.

Great because he was put in the position to run the country and nothing more.

[Skybird]

If servants are expected to not be loyal to the law, but loyal to the boss, and if his name counts more precious than the office and is allowed to rule above the spirit of justice and the spiriut of the law, then the state and the citizens' freedom are in deep, deep trouble.

[em2nought]

A Vindman in a Clinton presidency would have met an unfortunate, but timely end instead. :D

[Catfish]

He "runs" America like a business, anyone the boss does not like is fired :D

[Jeff-Groves]

Just buy a Trumpy Bear and rip into that.
Haters!
:har:
https://az686452.vo.msecnd.net/t-11243-trumpybear/5a4448235ab743f8874b81684cbf1686/i/Main_3e4281b0-bfa7-4daa-ba2a-98d4b1004ccd.png

I ordered one just for the Piss off factor I can use!
LOL!

[August]

If servants are expected to not be loyal to the law, but loyal to the boss, and if his name counts more precious than the office and is allowed to rule above the spirit of justice and the spiriut of the law, then the state and the citizens' freedom are in deep, deep trouble.


Servants are NOT expected to plot and plan the ouster of their elected boss either. Vindman and others like him feel that they should control foreign policy and not the elected President.

[Catfish]

Simple revenge, as you would expect.

[Skybird]

Servants are NOT expected to plot and plan the ouster of their elected boss either. Vindman and others like him feel that they should control foreign policy and not the elected President.


Bullsh!t.

[Jeff-Groves]

Aww! Your saying cuss words now!
Last line of defense for a losing side!
:har:
Should I send you a Trumpy Bear?

[Mr Quatro]

Aww! Your saying cuss words now!
Last line of defense for a losing side!
:har:
Should I send you a Trumpy Bear?

Lets wait till Trump wins in 2020 election to see what the other side will do.

Depends on who will be in the House and the Senate next time too

The entire House is up for reelection in November 2020 :yep:

[MaDef]

The entire House is up for reelection in November 2020 If people were smart they'd fire the whole lot of them. But people aren't smart

[Jeff-Groves]

Lets wait till Trump wins in 2020 election to see what the other side will do.


I predict a whole nother round of trying to Impeach him.
:doh:

[em2nought]

I predict a whole nother round of trying to Impeach him.

At least one round. They'll be bring this nut job back next though :doh:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.buzzfeed.com%2Fbuzzfeed-static%2Fstatic%2F2020-01%2F30%2F20%2Fcampaign_images%2Fb5880c33b319%2Fa-woman-who-accused-trump-of-rape-is-now-seeking--2-426-1580415677-12_dblbig.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

[Onkel Neal]

Carville hits the nail on the head,

We just had an election in 2018. We did great. We talked about everything we needed to talk about, and we won. And now it's like we're losing our damn minds. Someone's got to step their game up here.

We have candidates on the debate stage talking about open borders and decriminalizing illegal immigration. They're talking about doing away with nuclear energy and fracking. You've got Bernie Sanders talking about letting criminals and terrorists vote from jail cells. It doesn't matter what you think about any of that, or if there are good arguments -- talking about that is not how you win a national election. It's not how you become a majoritarian party.

But as I witnessed in the first D debates, there are no real leaders in the motley crop of candidates. When asked if the US Taxpayer should foot the health care bill for illegal aliens, people who break our law and defy the sanctity of of sovereignty to decide who we allow to enter our country, every one of those fools raised their hands. They are anxious to allow people who make the worst decisions and commit felonies, which causes the rest of us pain, suffering, and money, the right to vote. Simply because they know felons overwhelmingly vote for liberals and soft on crime sops.

Right now Mayor Pete and Klobuchar are the only two candidates I could even remotely consider. And neither of them stands a chance against Trump.

[MaDef]

Right now Mayor Pete and Klobuchar are the only two candidates I could even remotely consider. And if you look into their policy stances, they're just Bernie "light".

[mapuc]

Someone posted this picture on their wall.

I thought it was funny.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

And if you look into their policy stances, they're just Bernie "light".

Sadly, true.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/amy-klobuchar/

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/pete-buttigieg/

At least Pete isn't suggesting abolishing assault weapons, just a voluntary buyback.

Arrghh! I detest Trump but there are no alternatives. I would like to support a Democrat but it's so hard to blank out my brain.

[Jeff-Groves]

Sadly, true.

I would like to support a Democrat but it's so hard to blank out my brain.
This is your brain.
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SFdkbdefTaog6XKV3wyqJ7-320-80.jpg

This is your brain supporting Democrats!
https://media.giphy.com/media/xFgyzNEMlAh8s/giphy.gif

(Blatantly ripped off from Anti-Drug Campaigns)

[Jeff-Groves]

I'm starting to think the old British Tradition of putting people in the Tower of London then chopping off their heads was not a bad idea!
Take Simon Cowell and Ellen DeGeneres. Combine their Game shows?
I new Hit show that actually serves a purpose!

[eddie]

You could chop off the heads of Donnie boy sr and Jr and throw in Eric to boot, wouldn't make anyone feel bad either. Maybe we could talk about the honesty of Trump! How is his charity and his big bad Trump University doing,LOL

[Catfish]

If i think of Trump criticizing his underlings the "blood-bat" scene from the Untouchables comes to mind. No i will not post a link.

[August]

If i think of Trump criticizing his underlings the "blood-bat" scene from the Untouchables comes to mind. No i will not post a link.


Wow, just wow. It's difficult to believe that anyone in their right mind could seriously believe that.

[Buddahaid]

Wow, just wow. It's difficult to believe that anyone in their right mind could seriously believe that.

I think that's just in response to Jeff-Groves post about beheading people that don't meet his sense of normality being a good idea.

[August]

I think that's just in response to Jeff-Groves post about behead


Or Eddies. Maybe none of them actually mean it.

[em2nought]

Trump's body count only contains terrorists who seem to have had some sort of magical protection previously. :03:

[mapuc]

Until a few weeks ago I had the feeling Trump will walk right through the next election an take another term in the White house.

Now when buttigieg are rushing fast towards the leads of the Dem candidate

I'm not so sure anymore.

I may be very very wrong, but I think of Kennedy when I hear or read the name buttigieg

Maybe they are two opposite and can not be compared.

Markus

[em2nought]

Until a few weeks ago I had the feeling Trump will walk right through the next election an take another term in the White house.

Now when buttigieg are rushing fast towards the leads of the Dem candidate

Markus


I think that the deep state and mainstream media sitting on their asses and purposely letting this Coronavirus take hold on Trump's watch just to spite him would be a greater danger to POTUS than any democrat candidate. This could be what the democrats have been praying for. Lots of dead old people won't be good for Republican vote totals. I'm not sure who will replace them in the workforce though. :har:

[Jeff-Groves]

I think that's just in response to Jeff-Groves post about beheading people
Looking back?
I guess it would be hard to behead people when they have their heads up their arses!

[August]

Looking back?
I guess it would be hard to behead people when they have their heads up their arses!


Well I don't know, you'd think the butt crack would act like a guide. :hmmm:

[JU_88]

I'm not so sure anymore.


Markus


I am, the Democrats are unsalvagable at this point.
Even if they unite and get it all together now, its already too late.
Trump is going to have field day with who ever takes the stage in the debates.

[Buddahaid]

Wear your nose plugs. The stench of all that talking out of their asses from both parties will be toxic.

[AVGWarhawk]

I am, the Democrats are unsalvagable at this point.
Even if they unite and get it all together now, its already too late.
Trump is going to have field day with who ever takes the stage in the debates.

I can tell you Trump will not participate in a debate if it is conducted by CNN and other new outlets that have been less than favorable to his running of the country. Now that Trump is in the driver's seat and has a grasp on the inner running of the government the debate will be very one sided.

[mapuc]

It happens I shake my head.

Bernie and Co does not have to convince their voters, ´cause they have already or will put their vote on of the Dem's candidate.

Their job is to convince the Rep voters, that the Dem's candidate is much better.

Then the questions is:

If they pick Bernie as their candidate-how successful will he be, trying to convince voters on the other side ?

If my memory does not foul me,
Trump won the Midwest-Can Bernie convince the Rep. voters in those states ?

Markus

[u crank]

Then the questions is:

If they pick Bernie as their candidate-how successful will he be, trying to convince voters on the other side ?

Bernie has a problem and Bernie has created a problem.

Bernie's problem is that almost all of his policy proposals are the exact opposite of Trump's. Sanders is on record saying he will increase taxes to pay for his 'democratic socialist' agenda. That alone is a no brainer bad move.

But Bernie has also created a problem. If Sanders gets the nomination how many people who would have voted for a moderate Dem candidate will not vote for him? And if he doesn't get the nomination how many 'Bernie bros' will stay home or vote for a third party candidate.

For Trump, Bernie is the gift that keeps on giving.

[Buddahaid]

At least one, me.

[Onkel Neal]

Ok Dems, if I vote for Trumpo, you only have yourself to blame :k_confused:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/11/tulsi-gabbard-unique-campaign-support-all-sides-likely-not-enough

fter more than a year campaigning and holding more than 130 events in the Granite state alone, Gabbard is currently at 3.3% in the polls. She held 70 events in Iowa, an effort that won her the votes of 342 people on caucus night.

“As president I will have your back,” she told a crowd in Rochester this weekend. “I promise I will treat every American with respect.”

In all likelihood, Gabbard will not get the opportunity to prove that. The Democratic contest has not been kind to the long-shot candidates so far. The businessman and former congressman John Delaney, after spending two and a half years and more than $25m campaigning, dropped out days before the Iowa caucus.

[August]

Biden is toast. They're comparing him to Abe Simpson.


He is low on money, and the crush of ad spending by Michael Bloomberg and Tom Steyer in critical states means that he can barely afford to compete in key markets. His events seem exhausted and strained, his voice quavering between a harsh staccato and a whisper. Democratic nomination battles tend to favor the new and inspiring instead of the old and tested. Barack Obama, Clinton and JFK all exploited this — and Biden has not been new and inspiring for nearly 30 years.
His age shows in his meandering style and his culturally odd references, such as calling a polite young female college student this week a “lying dog-faced pony soldier.” Some writers compare Biden’s stream-of-unconsciousness reminiscences on good times and bad to “onion belt” stories — a reference to old Grampa Abe Simpson’s meandering, pointless stories, featuring the immortal line: “So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time.”



:haha:

https://nypost.com/2020/02/11/why-joe-bidens-campaign-is-collapsing/

[Buddahaid]

I'm voting for asparagus. It obviously has superior intelligence with a sense of future expansion.

[Catfish]

I'm voting for asparagus. It obviously has superior intelligence with a sense of future expansion.
:rotfl2: that made my day :haha:

[Mr Quatro]

Has it settled in yet that if Biden is not the Democrats choice to run against President Trump ...

That only leaves Bernie Sanders, Pete Buttigieg, Bloomberg or the other two ladies running for office?

Chose one go ahead I dare you to chose one that can beat Trump :hmmm:

A socialist running on a socialist agenda :o

A Mayor that has no experience in solving big problems admitting that he is gay :o

A rich billionaire that hates President Trump running on the "I hate Trump ticket" :o

and two ladies that can't win the nomination due to the fact that they are ladies :oops:

Has it settled in yet that the Democratic Party has a serious problem wasting time and money to defeat President Trump? :yep:

[Catfish]

[...] Has it settled in yet that the Democratic Party has a serious problem wasting time and money to defeat President Trump? :yep:
Yep, i do not understand either why time and money should be necessary when common sense would do.

[u crank]

Yep, i do not understand either why time and money should be necessary when common sense would do.

Yes common sense. That seems to be lacking in the Democrat party. These people had three years to find a candidate for President who one, would be a good president and two, that could beat Trump in November. They appear to be failing on both counts.

[mapuc]

Yes common sense. That seems to be lacking in the Democrat party. These people had three years to find a candidate for President who one, would be a good president and two, that could beat Trump in November. They appear to be failing on both counts.

Or maybe they could be thinking

"The news says it...no one likes Trump...it doesn't matter who we put forward as our candidate we will win..peace of cake"

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

peace of cake"


Peace - a state or period in which there is no war or a war has ended.
I doubt that will happen with the Dems anytime soon!
:har:
Seeing as a new investigation is starting!

[Onkel Neal]

Biden is toast. They're comparing him to Abe Simpson.





:haha:

https://nypost.com/2020/02/11/why-joe-bidens-campaign-is-collapsing/

:Kaleun_Applaud: Yeah I can see that :haha:


I'm voting for asparagus. It obviously has superior intelligence with a sense of future expansion.

With cheese as his running mate? I'm in.





Has it settled in yet that if Biden is not the Democrats choice to run against President Trump ...

That only leaves Bernie Sanders, Pete Buttigieg, Bloomberg or the other two ladies running for office?

Chose one go ahead I dare you to chose one that can beat Trump :hmmm:

A socialist running on a socialist agenda :o

A Mayor that has no experience in solving big problems admitting that he is gay :o

A rich billionaire that hates President Trump running on the "I hate Trump ticket"

and two ladies that can't win the nomination due to the fact that they are ladies :oops:

Has it settled in yet that the Democratic Party has a serious problem wasting time and money to defeat President Trump? :yep:

A rich billionaire that hates President Trump running on the "I hate Trump ticket"

I think Bloomberg has a real shot, if he gets one on one with Trumpy. He's not afraid to fire back, and he's a real billionaire who has actually done things in the business world, whereas Trump is a
low rent con artist by comparison. Bloomberg has to overcome the smears that he was too tough on minorities when they were trying to reel in crime. I don't have any problem with his stop and frisk tactics, but in these SJW days it is a problem.

[Jeff-Groves]

Then your gonna be happy about him wanting to take your Guns?
:o

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Yes common sense. That seems to be lacking in American politics. They appear to be failing on all counts.


Fixed that for ya. :Kaleun_Salute:

[mapuc]

Peace - a state or period in which there is no war or a war has ended.
I doubt that will happen with the Dems anytime soon!
:har:
Seeing as a new investigation is starting!

I know wrong word. It should have been Piece

Markus

[August]

I don't have any problem with his stop and frisk tactics


You don't? I'm surprised Neal.

You know that this wasn't a uniformed officer stepping up to a citizen and saying "Excuse me sir may we see what is in your pockets?" type of program. This was an undercover cop suddenly and violently grabbing a random person walking down the sidewalk, slamming them up against a wall, groping them extensively then telling them to piss off if nothing was found. That's not America.

You (not you Neal) can't just ignore a persons supposedly constitutionally guaranteed rights in the name of expediency. That Bloomberg guy has a penchant for authoritarianism and is a gun grabber. I don't want him anywhere near the Oval office.

[Buddahaid]

Pretty funny that AG Barr is telling Trump to shut up now too.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506976

[AVGWarhawk]

Pretty funny that AG Barr is telling Trump to shut up now too.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506976

Good on Barr. High time he did.

[AVGWarhawk]

Or maybe they could be thinking

"The news says it...no one likes Trump...it doesn't matter who we put forward as our candidate we will win..peace of cake"

Markus

They made this mistake the first round. I would hope they are smart enough to see this happening again.

[AVGWarhawk]

A rich billionaire that hates President Trump running on the "I hate Trump ticket"

I think Bloomberg has a real shot, if he gets one on one with Trumpy. He's not afraid to fire back, and he's a real billionaire who has actually done things in the business world, whereas Trump is a
low rent con artist by comparison. Bloomberg has to overcome the smears that he was too tough on minorities when they were trying to reel in crime. I don't have any problem with his stop and frisk tactics, but in these SJW days it is a problem.

Bernie will not do well. He needs someone to reach across and pull him by appearance to the center. Someone like Warren as VP. She will not nor will any of the others.

Bloomberg will not overcome the "Stop and Frisk" issue. AOC has been trumpeting against Bloomberg. Sadly, she has a following. I understand you don't have an issue with stop and frisk until you are the one getting stopped and frisked. It is a big problem for Bloomberg. But, he has latched his lips to Obama's butt via commercials not only talking about Obamacare but has a spot with Obama in the commercial(old footage). It then makes it appear Obama is endorsing Bloomberg. To my knowledge that has not occurred. Bloomberg will look to buy the election. He has the capital. He is in his late 70's. He can not take it with him so he might as well blow millions on a campaign. Personally, he should put that money towards something constructive in a community or charity instead of being childish with a "I hate Trump" tour and will do anything to beat him because he makes fun of his vertical stature. :har:

This election season will be a wild one. The debates, if Trump decides to participate, will be quite entertaining. And to add to the mix....I'm sure the House is formulating yet another impeachment for something. :doh:

Looking forward to predicting this election round and winning another Subsim t-shirt. Love to all!

[AVGWarhawk]

You don't? I'm surprised Neal.

You know that this wasn't a uniformed officer stepping up to a citizen and saying "Excuse me sir may we see what is in your pockets?" type of program. This was an undercover cop suddenly and violently grabbing a random person walking down the sidewalk, slamming them up against a wall, groping them extensively then telling them to piss off if nothing was found. That's not America.

You (not you Neal) can't just ignore a persons supposedly constitutionally guaranteed rights in the name of expediency. That Bloomberg guy has a penchant for authoritarianism and is a gun grabber. I don't want him anywhere near the Oval office.


I agree. Stop and Frisk was carte blanche for the cops. Bloomberg is not good for the country. His commercials are full of catch phrases(Obamacare/gun control) and aligning himself with Obama. It is a falsehood. Obama would never endorse stop and frisk. That is so when we look at 2009 Beer Summit. Racial profiling. Yes sir, Bloomberg has a stench about him.

[Jeff-Groves]

Any Billionaire that mentions 'Gun Control' is highly suspect as I see it!
:o

I'd bet money he employees a Security Team with more fire power then most of us will ever own!

[August]

https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb021420dAPR20200213034616.jpg

[ikalugin]

I get stopped and searched regularly in Moscow because I fit the local profiling (single young adult male with a bag wearing a muslim style beard).


I do not really see a problem when such searches are conducted by officers in a polite, professional manner.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I get stopped and searched regularly in Moscow because I fit the local profiling (single young adult male with a bag wearing a muslim style beard).


I do not really see a problem when such searches are conducted by officers in a polite, professional manner.
Clearly you've never met an American police officer. Granted most of them are are professionals who are called to do an extremely stressful and difficult job but as usual it's the bad ones people tend to remember the most.

[Onkel Neal]

You don't? I'm surprised Neal.

You know that this wasn't a uniformed officer stepping up to a citizen and saying "Excuse me sir may we see what is in your pockets?" type of program. This was an undercover cop suddenly and violently grabbing a random person walking down the sidewalk, slamming them up against a wall, groping them extensively then telling them to piss off if nothing was found. That's not America.

You (not you Neal) can't just ignore a persons supposedly constitutionally guaranteed rights in the name of expediency. That Bloomberg guy has a penchant for authoritarianism and is a gun grabber. I don't want him anywhere near the Oval office.



I'm totally in favor of broken windows policies and stop and frisk. When crime in an area becomes epidemic like Baltimore or Chicago, I think the Army should be sent in for a weapons sweep. A lot of the killing and crimes are committed by people who have outstanding warrants for crimes, we need to get the weapons out of their hands. Studies have shown that stop and frisk had no effect on crime or robbery rates--of course studies show that, they always turn logic on its head, that's part of the fun of "studies". So we won't have a return of S&F in any case. Coupled with reducing sentences, decriminalizing drug offenses, and prison reforms, crime will continue to rise until we are back in the 70s and people have had enough.

I'm not PC, I don't think Bloomberg is "racist" for stating the obvious. In our society "you're racist" is the instant shut up response. I don't care about color, all I see are people who obey the law and those who break the law and distress the rest of us. People that think Bloomberg advocated going after minorities in high crime areas for reasons other than getting bad people off the streets are racist. People should keep in mind that most of the people killed by minority criminals are themselves minorities.

I'm not panicked about the gun grabbing of Bloomberg at all. He may be successful in universal background checks, which I am in favor of, and possibly passing a new high capacity magazine/assault weapon ban, which I don't like but could live with. But his power as President to repeal the 2nd Amendment would be limited and no more successful than Obama.

Bloomberg does not fit my "perfect candidate" profile but he is a lot better than Bernie or Warren, and I would vote for him over the goofy clown we have in office now. Any day.

[August]

Well that's where you and I differ. Sending in the military to oppress the people has been tried before at a place called Concord Bridge. If the US government ever adopts your view lets hope they get the same respose as the British did.

[Onkel Neal]

Well that's where you and I differ. Sending in the military to oppress the people has been tried before at a place called Concord Bridge. If the US government ever adopts your view lets hope they get the same respose as the British did.


Sure, but you characterize it as "Sending in the military to oppress the people", it really isn't that.
Washington & co. weren't drug dealing murdering gang-bangers.

[August]

Washington & co. weren't drug dealing murdering gang-bangers.


But not everyone who lives in those areas are like that, yet these policies do not distinguish between them and that is the problem.

Every freedom and liberty that we have can and has been abused at some point. If that is all the government needs to take them away from everyone then we have no liberty at all and the Bill of Rights is meaningless. I don't want anyone with that attitude anywhere near the reigns of power, especially POTUS.

[Onkel Neal]

But not everyone who lives in those areas are like that, yet these policies do not distinguish between them and that is the problem.

Every freedom and liberty that we have can and has been abused at some point. If that is all the government needs to take them away from everyone then we have no liberty at all and the Bill of Rights is meaningless. I don't want anyone with that attitude anywhere near the reigns of power, especially POTUS.

I'm sure the officers try to distinguish.

Well, so we allow crime to continue, people die, criminals have no fear of unexpected arrest, and eventually the state will be bought out by the ever-increasing power of the criminal organizations. Great, we'll be just like Mexico.

It may be moot regarding Bloomberg :(
Bloomberg reportedly considering Hillary Clinton as his running mate (https://nypost.com/2020/02/15/bloomberg-reportedly-considering-hillary-clinton-as-his-running-mate/)

Bloomberg’s internal polling has found the combo “would be a formidable force,” campaign sources told the Drudge Report Saturday.

[Jeff-Groves]

Sure, but you characterize it as "Sending in the military to oppress the people", it really isn't that.
Washington & co. weren't drug dealing murdering gang-bangers.

No but they grew Hemp, made whiskey, then revolted against GB.
From some perspectives I'd say they were the Gang Bangers of their day.
History depicts the Winners as justified because they won.
The Winners get to write that history. Not the losers.

[August]

I'm sure the officers try to distinguish.

Well, so we allow crime to continue, people die, criminals have no fear of unexpected arrest, and eventually the state will be bought out by the ever-increasing power of the criminal organizations. Great, we'll be just like Mexico.


I didn't say don't police a community just don't treat everyone like they are guilty. I don't trust a cops ability or desire to distinguish innocent from guilty unless he is forced to get it right. This is the exact opposite and it caused harm to a lot more innocent people than it captured criminals.

If you're serious about cleaning up a community then put a cop or five on every street corner. Flood the area with uniforms and patrol cars and keep them there until the criminals are all dead, in jail or driven off but don't just piss on everyone and hope some of the drops will hit those that deserve it.


It may be moot regarding Bloomberg :(
Bloomberg reportedly considering Hillary Clinton as his running mate (https://nypost.com/2020/02/15/bloomberg-reportedly-considering-hillary-clinton-as-his-running-mate/)

Yeah that blew my mind. Hard for me to believe he's serious about winning if he's going to consider her.

[mapuc]

Maybe this is what our children and their children will face in a futuristic justice

You are guilty until proven otherwise

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

I got news for you Buddy!
Now days? Your are Guilty unless you prove you are innocent!

[Buddahaid]

It still requires the DA's office to build a case against you.

[MaDef]

It still requires the DA's office to build a case against you.

Explain that to Kevin Browns widow.
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/widow-of-sdpd-criminalist-accused-of-cold-case-murder-awarded-6-million

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm totally in favor of broken windows policies and stop and frisk. When crime in an area becomes epidemic like Baltimore or Chicago, I think the Army should be sent in for a weapons sweep. A lot of the killing and crimes are committed by people who have outstanding warrants for crimes, we need to get the weapons out of their hands. Studies have shown that stop and frisk had no effect on crime or robbery rates--of course studies show that, they always turn logic on its head, that's part of the fun of "studies". So we won't have a return of S&F in any case. Coupled with reducing sentences, decriminalizing drug offenses, and prison reforms, crime will continue to rise until we are back in the 70s and people have had enough.

I'm not PC, I don't think Bloomberg is "racist" for stating the obvious. In our society "you're racist" is the instant shut up response. I don't care about color, all I see are people who obey the law and those who break the law and distress the rest of us. People that think Bloomberg advocated going after minorities in high crime areas for reasons other than getting bad people off the streets are racist. People should keep in mind that most of the people killed by minority criminals are themselves minorities.

I'm not panicked about the gun grabbing of Bloomberg at all. He may be successful in universal background checks, which I am in favor of, and possibly passing a new high capacity magazine/assault weapon ban, which I don't like but could live with. But his power as President to repeal the 2nd Amendment would be limited and no more successful than Obama.

Bloomberg does not fit my "perfect candidate" profile but he is a lot better than Bernie or Warren, and I would vote for him over the goofy clown we have in office now. Any day.

Baltimore's problem is a police force that has 1000 vacant police positions. The reason for that is non-support by the mayor's office. The FOP will not work with a partner looking to burn them for their own political gain. Et al Freddy Gray. Not to mention the corruption at city hall for the past five years. Enter Kathy Pugh who lined her pockets while mayor. She will do jail time. Hell, they can't even resolve the squeegee kid issue. Who in their right mind would want to join the police force in a city that is in shambles from the top down? As a result of zero staff the locals run the place and do what they want without a care. Baltimore PD can stop and frisk all day. Doing so will do nothing. For giggles the leadership of Baltimore advised they are looking at Chicago's methods of handling the gun violence. Really?

[AVGWarhawk]

Sure, but you characterize it as "Sending in the military to oppress the people", it really isn't that.
Washington & co. weren't drug dealing murdering gang-bangers.

The military was sent into Baltimore during the riots. It helped. Frankly, it may be the one best option right now for a understaffed PD in Baltimore.

[Onkel Neal]

Baltimore's problem is a police force that has 1000 vacant police positions. The reason for that is non-support by the mayor's office. The FOP will not work with a partner looking to burn them for their own political gain. Et al Freddy Gray. Not to mention the corruption at city hall for the past five years. Enter Kathy Pugh who lined her pockets while mayor. She will do jail time. Hell, they can't even resolve the squeegee kid issue. Who in their right mind would want to join the police force in a city that is in shambles from the top down? As a result of zero staff the locals run the place and do what they want without a care. Baltimore PD can stop and frisk all day. Doing so will do nothing. For giggles the leadership of Baltimore advised they are looking at Chicago's methods of handling the gun violence. Really?


Yeah, Baltimore's city leadership is so screwed up. Typical for big city liberal govt. It always ends that way and 50% of the country want to replicate that pattern nation-wide.

I didn't say don't police a community just don't treat everyone like they are guilty. I don't trust a cops ability or desire to distinguish innocent from guilty unless he is forced to get it right. This is the exact opposite and it caused harm to a lot more innocent people than it captured criminals.

If you're serious about cleaning up a community then put a cop or five on every street corner. Flood the area with uniforms and patrol cars and keep them there until the criminals are all dead, in jail or driven off but don't just piss on everyone and hope some of the drops will hit those that deserve it.




Yeah that blew my mind. Hard for me to believe he's serious about winning if he's going to consider her.

It's looking more like fake news from Drudge report to kneecap Bloomberg's campaign. One of those "source inside the campaign" reports, which probably means fabricated. If Bloomberg does even look her way, I'm done.

Ok, I'll go along with you on stop and frisk, to a point; I still prefer it as an option when the police and detectives observe "usual suspects" in public, they should be able to stop-question-frisk. I'm sure the cops know who the problem childs are. As long as they are not prohibited from stop-frisk, it will be a deterrent to criminals carrying weapons without concern.

Ain't you ever watched the Wire or Sons of Anarchy? :yep: LE could have shut down their whole operation with stop-frisk. The cops know who the players are, and if they are frisked and weapons are found, send em to the pen for 10 years and problem solved. Anti-gun activists are always crying about how bad guns are, at least drop the hammer on criminals if they are found with them.

[Mr Quatro]

It might not have been fake news, but just a seed thought to see what people think ... they have a lot of disgruntled democrats left over from 2016 that hate President Trump.

So if she did sign on before the nomination was won it would be one of the earliest VP candidates announced in my memory bank.

It's not Hillary Clinton that I am worried about, but it is President Barrack Obama's move to the east coast into a really nice home too. Closer to Washington perhaps?

What if he's thinking Secretary of State. :yep:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/real-estate/barack-obama-marthas-vineyard-vacation-photos

Obamas buy $11.75M Martha's Vineyard vacation home

The 29-acre waterfront property sits on a pond that’s separated from the Atlantic Ocean by a narrow sandy barrier beach.

The 6,892-square-foot home includes seven bedrooms and nine bathrooms

[Onkel Neal]

He doesn't seem concerned about his carbon footprint, does he?

[August]

He doesn't seem concerned about his carbon footprint, does he?


Apparently he doesn't believe in climate change causing any coastal flooding either.

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, true, he's right on the water.

I'm surprised he did not move back to Chicago and support the community. They need him, but he ain't there for them.

[nikimcbee]

I agree. Stop and Frisk was carte blanche for the cops. Bloomberg is not good for the country. His commercials are full of catch phrases(Obamacare/gun control) and aligning himself with Obama. It is a falsehood. Obama would never endorse stop and frisk. That is so when we look at 2009 Beer Summit. Racial profiling. Yes sir, Bloomberg has a stench about him.

This is comedy gold, with the new, potential running mate.:har::har:
That explains the odo(u)r!

[AVGWarhawk]

He doesn't seem concerned about his carbon footprint, does he?

Another self-serving politician.

[AVGWarhawk]

This is comedy gold, with the new, potential running mate.:har::har:
That explains the odo(u)r!

If you are talking Hillary as the potential running mate, Bloomberg will lose votes.

Bernie will win the nomination. However, how does a democratic party support an independent for president? How will they explain away this good economy will be destroyed when a "democratic socialist" is in the WH? Honestly, their best shot is Bloomberg. He is a capitalist. However, the faithful Trump supporters will not waver to Bloomberg. Bloomberg will get the "never Trumpers".

Would it be interesting if Bloomberg got the nomination and ran as the democrat, Bernie runs as independent again? A lot of vote splitting. Someone will have to bow out.

The black vote will play a critical role in this election.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yeah, true, he's right on the water.

I'm surprised he did not move back to Chicago and support the community. They need him, but he ain't there for them.

He was not there for a lot of people. :03:

[AVGWarhawk]

Gotta love Trump fly-over in AF1!!! Then a round on the tract in the beast. Gotta admit....Trump loves to have a good time and look good doing it! The guy is killing it! NASCAR Dayton 500 will never be the same!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txBSED-1eA0

[Buddahaid]

Just about the most self serving politician ever. I'm so thrilled my tax dollars funded his joyride. What a piece of dung!

[AVGWarhawk]

Just about the most self serving politician ever. I'm so thrilled my tax dollars funded his joyride. What a piece of dung!


Every president used AF1 and the beast for anything they liked. Part of the position. And...gasp...AF1 is used for campaigning! But that cost is covered by the president. Trump has not done anything previous presidents have not done with the transport afforded to the office.

Presidents often fly Air Force One for personal trips and campaign events as well as official business. While taxpayers pick up the tab for personal and official use, campaigns and parties are supposed to reimburse the government for political use of the plane – at an estimated cost of more than $140,000 an hour.



Oh look who is on a joyride with Jerry in the beast....

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/rs-222540-coffee-jerry-obama.jpg

[mapuc]

A little funny input to the ongoing election of the next Dem candidate.

The weekly magazine The world according to Trump, showed a little video clip where Bernie said

I'm not afraid of Mr. Trump.

When he said this I could not help thinking of a certain scene from Star Wars V (The Empire Strikes back) where young Luke says to Yoda.

I'm not afraid

And Yoda said something with

Oh you will be, you will be

Ok Back to serious discussion again

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

In other news, video of Bloomberg stating Black and Latino males do not know how to act in the workplace has surfaced. The remorseful apology tour #2 will begin in 5,4,3,2,1.....

https://www.850wftl.com/video-shows-bloomberg-saying-black-and-latino-males-dont-know-how-to-behave-in-the-workplace/

[Mr Quatro]

Bloomberg spent over $200 million in 2019 and has now spent $200 million in 2020 already.

I can't find it, but the news said $423 million already spent ... that man has the money, but not the smarts. He even spent $11 million on the Super Bowl Sunday ads. :o

https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E211US1274G91208&p=Bloomberg%E2%80%99s+total+ad+spending+now+tops

[AVGWarhawk]

Bloomberg spent over $200 million in 2019 and has now spent $200 million in 2020 already.

I can't find it, but the news said $423 million already spent ... that man has the money, but not the smarts. He even spent $11 million on the Super Bowl Sunday ads. :o

https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E211US1274G91208&p=Bloomberg%E2%80%99s+total+ad+spending+now+tops

He will not come up short on cash. No pun intended. :D

[u crank]

He will not come up short on cash.

:har:

Brilliant.

[Onkel Neal]

I'll be watching tomorrow's debate. Those dems are gonna pile on Boomberg, he ain't going to know what hit him.

[Buddahaid]

Curious to see how that comes out. Personally I want to see Trump stew over not having the biggest campaign ever in history. Maybe between the two of them they can employ everyone.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'll be watching tomorrow's debate. Those dems are gonna pile on Boomberg, he ain't going to know what hit him.

Bernie is already swinging. Bloomberg does not care about the country. He only wants to beat Trump. It's a game for him.

[AVGWarhawk]

Curious to see how that comes out. Personally I want to see Trump stew over not having the biggest campaign ever in history. Maybe between the two of them they can employ everyone.

Trump is not worried. Once again it's his for the taking and rightly so. The country is doing well.

[Buddahaid]

Trump is not worried. Once again it's his for the taking and rightly so. The country is doing well.

Of course he's not worried. I don't believe he really cares one way or the other as long as his ego get massaged. He's already on record saying he'd tell the people whatever they wanted to hear to get elected. Damned if I can find that interview anymore to give the statement credit, but I remember watching it during the last campaign.

[AVGWarhawk]

Of course he's not worried. I don't believe he really cares one way or the other as long as his ego get massaged. He's already on record saying he'd tell the people whatever they wanted to hear to get elected. Damned if I can find that interview anymore to give the statement credit, but I remember watching it during the last campaign.

All the others did not need to go on record because it is plainly obvious all say what they believe voters want to hear. :doh:

[Mr Quatro]

Did y'all know this? I don't see anyway for a country to be united in a National vote for either one of these two democrats. Perhaps one of them will go independant in disgruntled hatred of the system. Taking votes away form the Democrats real choice.

By the way does the nomination have to go to the one with the most delegate votes or can the DNC pick whoever they want?

https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-mike-bloomberg-both-132005426.html

Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg are both 78. And both, it turns out, have had heart operations.

But age isn't the only thing Bloomberg and Sanders have in common. Neither has been a Democrat for most of the past two decades, for example, and both have had two coronary arterial stents inserted near their hearts to relieve blockages.

[Jeff-Groves]

And both, it turns out, have had heart operations.
Probably to remove them.

[AVGWarhawk]

Last nights debate was nothing short of comical. The vitriol was quite something. Bloomberg blinking his way through Warrens attack on disclosure agreements he has with women that worked for him. Bernie getting grilled for socialism and how he has 3 homes/millions. I felt like I was in a Twilight Zone episode.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NDJNEYGnc4WEZnywZ1HeJxF4ADI=/0x0:970x541/1200x800/filters:focal(408x194:562x348)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55750707/TWILIGHT_ZONE_rev_970x541.0.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Probably to remove them.

If they had a heart. I don't think Bloomberg does.

[Mr Quatro]

I fell asleep right after the first break and even with a DVR I don't feel like watching what I missed.

Blomberg did look at odds (his first debate since 2009)
I don't know why they didn't point out that he was a Republican mayor
and a republican for many many years.

Obviously he did not run for POTUS as a Republican due to he did not think that he could beat Donald Trump

Sanders looks tired and old and was hit hard by one Blomberg barb that this country doesn't need Communism.

I thought Biden had the best performance yet ... Super Tuesday is coming in just two more weeks and then we shall see. :yep:

[mapuc]

Why is it that

Voters say things like:

"The politician I put my vote on have a brain and a heart-Which the other politicians don't have"

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

August, this speaks to the point you were making about the harm of overdoing stop and frisk
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/opinion/bloomberg-stop-and-frisk-judge.html

Last nights debate was nothing short of comical. The vitriol was quite something. Bloomberg blinking his way through Warrens attack on disclosure agreements he has with women that worked for him. Bernie getting grilled for socialism and how he has 3 homes/millions. I felt like I was in a Twilight Zone episode.


Haha, yeah, ol Bernie was sputtering about his 3 homes. We need a real socialist to speak up about fake socialists with 3 homes when 40% of Americans have 0 homes. :)

[AVGWarhawk]

August, this speaks to the point you were making about the harm of overdoing stop and frisk
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/opinion/bloomberg-stop-and-frisk-judge.html



Haha, yeah, ol Bernie was sputtering about his 3 homes. We need a real socialist to speak up about fake socialists with 3 homes when 40% of Americans have 0 homes. :)

Thousands of Vermontians have lake camps!!!! :doh: Bernie has made a living on selling and running the snake oil of socialism. Honestly, a career on the government dole. No credit to his name of doing anything. Bloomberg's issue with women will be a problem. It was with Trump but it appears Bloomberg has a walk-in closet full of skeletons. And the blink, blink, blink when Warren was after him. He knew he was caught and could not answer the questions Warren was asking.

[AVGWarhawk]

Why is it that

Voters say things like:

"The politician I put my vote on have a brain and a heart-Which the other politicians don't have"

Markus

I have not heard that. But I have not heard of everything. What is hear is, "Lesser of two evils".

[Bilge_Rat]

By the way does the nomination have to go to the one with the most delegate votes or can the DNC pick whoever they want?



no, the one with the most delegates win.

However, "superdelegates", mostly unelected dem party officials who are free to vote as they wish could swing the balance. They represent about 16% of all delegates, enough to swing the nomination if it is close.

In 1984, it was the superdelegates that made sure Mondale won on the first ballot over Gary Hart, instead of having a contested convention.

So even if Bernie is ahead, but does not have a clear majority, he could be denied the nomination.

[u crank]

So even if Bernie is ahead, but does not have a clear majority, he could be denied the nomination.

I think at that moment the wheels could come off the Democrat party. Bernie supported Clinton after the 2016 primary. Will he do it again if it is Bloomberg? Will his supporters? Could get really ugly.

[mapuc]

This is a US-politic related question

Yesterday one of my FB-friends wrote a very critical comment about Trump's lastest pardoned.

In an answer to him, I wrote
President Obama have pardoned many more and he have changed thousands of criminals prison time(if I understand the following list correct)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barac k_Obama

Another person, said wiki can't be trusted(Meaning the list is incorrect).

So is this list is incorrect or partial incorrect ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

I too would go with official sources. try this for a start https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

[nikimcbee]

….and now for something completely different.

What do you guys think about this?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/19/secession-fever-spikes-conservatives-seek-escape-b/

Curious how New York would split?
Seriously, they should cut OR and WA in half, to re-align politically. Just re-draw the states' boundaries. Have the People's Progressive Utopia to the west and Desert WA-OR.

Say it happens, people vote to leave Ore-gone and join Idaho. What happens if Salem says no? Secede anyway? Trump could just give Cali back to Mexico. Waiting for it to break off and float away isn't happening fast enough.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think at that moment the wheels could come off the Democrat party. Bernie supported Clinton after the 2016 primary. Will he do it again if it is Bloomberg? Will his supporters? Could get really ugly.

This is why Bernie is a hypocrite. He rails about millionaires theN becomes one. Now he rails against billionaires. The lemmings that follow Bernie buy into his nonsense hook, line and sinker. Yeah, Bernie will support the billionaire, the 1% he and Bloomberg are part of. Bernie supporters will not vote Bloomberg. How can they when it is the angry old white men with money they rail against?

[AVGWarhawk]

This is a US-politic related question

Yesterday one of my FB-friends wrote a very critical comment about Trump's lastest pardoned.

In an answer to him, I wrote
President Obama have pardoned many more and he have changed thousands of criminals prison time(if I understand the following list correct)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barac k_Obama

Another person, said wiki can't be trusted(Meaning the list is incorrect).

So is this list is incorrect or partial incorrect ?

Markus


Obama pardoned a boat load. The American's memory is short...very short.

[AVGWarhawk]

….and now for something completely different.

What do you guys think about this?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/19/secession-fever-spikes-conservatives-seek-escape-b/

Curious how New York would split?
Seriously, they should cut OR and WA in half, to re-align politically. Just re-draw the states' boundaries. Have the People's Progressive Utopia to the west and Desert WA-OR.

Say it happens, people vote to leave Ore-gone and join Idaho. What happens if Salem says no? Secede anyway? Trump could just give Cali back to Mexico. Waiting for it to break off and float away isn't happening fast enough.

Just talk. These states as well as all of them would have a very hard time without federal dollars provide to each every year.

[u crank]

This is why Bernie is a hypocrite. He rails about millionaires theN becomes one. Now he rails against billionaires. The lemmings that follow Bernie buy into his nonsense hook, line and sinker. Yeah, Bernie will support the billionaire, the 1% he and Bloomberg are part of. Bernie supporters will not vote Bloomberg. How can they when it is the angry old white men with money they rail against?

Yea. If you were a Republican and you could write the script for November 2020, this would be one winning narrative for the GOP. Sanders and all the other candidates who have attacked Bloomberg, (they all have) will be in a bind. Almost everything that they have attacked Trump for, Bloomberg is. But they will almost certainly support him. Especially the Senators. Question is will their followers do the same?

It may be a moot point though because it is looking good for the Democratic Socialist.

Somebody needs to get their email server hacked.:O:

[Buddahaid]

Just talk. These states as well as all of them would have a very hard time without federal dollars provide to each every year.

The US needs California more than California needs the US. I think we are the sixth largest economy in the world.

[AVGWarhawk]

The US needs California more than California needs the US. I think we are the sixth largest economy in the world.

Yet CA is a broke state. Let us know how it works out when $436.1 billion is off the table. I suspect the remaining states will be fine with or without CA. In fact, lets just funnel the $436.1 to the other states.



40. California
• Net federal funding: $12 per resident
• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $436.1 billion (the most)
• SNAP benefit recipiency: 8.9 percent (tied - 12th lowest)
• Median household income: $71,805 (8th highest)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2019/03/20/how-much-federal-funding-each-state-receives-government/39202299/

[Mr Quatro]

Yet CA is a broke state. Let us know how it works out when $436.1 billion is off the table. I suspect the remaining states will be fine with or without CA. In fact, lets just funnel the $436.1 to the other states.



40. California
• Net federal funding: $12 per resident
• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $436.1 billion (the most)
• SNAP benefit recipiency: 8.9 percent (tied - 12th lowest)
• Median household income: $71,805 (8th highest)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2019/03/20/how-much-federal-funding-each-state-receives-government/39202299/

Pre-data before the flood, the earthquakes and the fires ... California needs America, Californian street people need America, Californian veterans need America.

Heck we all need America to be on the same wave length :yep:

[Onkel Neal]

Somebody needs to get their email server hacked.:O:

Hey, be careful, that kind of humor can get you impeached!

[mapuc]

Obama pardoned a boat load. The American's memory is short...very short.

This FB-friend of mine, is one of those who dislike Trump, whatever Trump do or do not, this friend post a critical comment about it.

He among thousand others Danish citizens are pro-Obama.

So I search for similar cases when Obama was president and not so far after i had posted the link(same as here in this thread) someone said wiki can't be trusted and this person is somehow right.

Yesterday I posted the other one from the US gov, which Rockstar posted.

Since then I haven't heard anything from that thread.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

This FB-friend of mine, is one of those who dislike Trump, whatever Trump do or do not, this friend post a critical comment about it.

He among thousand others Danish citizens are pro-Obama.

So I search for similar cases when Obama was president and not so far after i had posted the link(same as here in this thread) someone said wiki can't be trusted and this person is somehow right.

Yesterday I posted the other one from the US gov, which Rockstar posted.

Since then I haven't heard anything from that thread.

Markus


Substantiated facts usually end the issue.

[AVGWarhawk]

Hey, be careful, that kind of humor can get you impeached!

Or Bleachbit.

[u crank]

Or Bleachbit.

If all else fails there is always the analog method ....a hammer.:03:

[AVGWarhawk]

Pre-data before the flood, the earthquakes and the fires ... California needs America, Californian street people need America, Californian veterans need America.

Heck we all need America to be on the same wave length :yep:

And there is the rub. This great melting pot of a country has many wave lengths as a result of many cultures. In the past, immigrants came to America to seek the American dream. I think many still do. But there are also many that have a different dream. Unity is an archaic word with no meaning any longer.

[August]

And there is the rub. This great melting pot of a country has many wave lengths as a result of many cultures. In the past, immigrants came to America to seek the American dream. I think many still do. But there are also many that have a different dream. Unity is an archaic word with no meaning any longer.


I think the ease of modern communications has a lot to do with that.

It maintains ties with the old country that would have withered and broken far more quickly in earlier times. Back in the day immigrants were far more isolated from their home countries than they are now. Sure they could write snail mail letters to family and friends back home (assuming both sides could read and write) but that cost money and could take weeks to get a response.

Nowadays they just pick up their cell phone and they could be just down the street rather than on a different continent.

This coupled with the ease of modern transportation that turns a several week long arduous journey into a few hour long airplane ride and it's pretty clear that while the melting pot has not gone away completely yet it's temperature has been brought way down and I believe it will take increasingly longer for it to work it's magic.

[Skybird]

Bernie sanders was briefed a month ago on Russia meddling with the American campaign circus again, trying to make Sanders the candiate and by that helping Trump for another term. The goal is clear: to increase the division in the Polarised States of America and by that pushing civil society further off balance, and securing a retard at the helm of the ship so that the US does not seriously get in Russia'sstrategic ways, and alienates itself ever further from Europe, leaving the latter isolated and weak on any real military relevance.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fn ational-security%2fbernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign%2f2020%2f02%2f21%2f5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html

[August]

Are these the same anonymous intelligence officials that claimed Saddam had WMD? :hmmm:

[u crank]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html


First Jake Tapper, Now Catherine Herridge Further Discredits NY Times’ Story About Russia Trying to Help Trump in 2020

Even CNN’s Jake Tapper called it out in his reporting, citing a national security official source who he knew and trusted.

Now CBS’ Catherine Herridge is debunking the report as well with her source. Herridge’s source said there was nothing to back up the claim, “briefers had none to offer.”

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/02/21/first-jake-tapper-now-catherine-herridge-further-discredits-ny-times-story-about-russia-trying-to-help-trump-in-2020/

[August]

The biggest damage the Russians can do to an American political candidate is to let it be thought that they might prefer them over their opposition. They are quite aware that their endorsement is toxic and that's why I think they are so clumsy about their meddling. A bunch of Twitter and Facebook accounts? Please. I would expect something far more sophisticated and effective from KGB Putin and company.

As for the Intelligence professional community I'm thinking that they need a serious purge. First off 17 agencies are way too many. Secondly they are becoming increasingly statist in their belief that they should be the ones in charge, not the elected officials they report to. That sentiment needs to be stamped out. The Intelligence Professional Community does not and should never be allowed to dictate policy.

[Hawk66]

@August It was not just an "anonymous source" about WMD in Iraq. Government services and that includes the intelligence services as well are not immun against the wishes of the administration in rule. A very good example for this is the Able Archer crisis 1983, where the Soviet intelligence services really thought NATO would prepare a first atomic strike against their country.
And I guess who questions that the Bush administration "asked" the intellgence services to give them all possible "proofs" to justify the invasion into Iraq.
I do not think anybody thinks here the Trump administration asks the intelligence service for proof of the intervention of Russia in elections...

I hope you do not really question that Russia tries to manipulate elections in the West else I do not know how many proofs you need...starting with 2016 in your country, going to Brexit and also in my country. It is an open secret that Russia supports the very right and left wing of parties in Germany to destabilize it. Even the foreign secreatary of Russia took part at least once in the game, to fuel resintements against immigrants in Germany by publicly spreading fake news , with the goal of destabilizing and getting rid of chanellor Merkel in the long term, the prime target of the right wing and Russia.

I think that is the key difference during the cold war and now. In Europe and in the US regardless if you were a (moderate) lefty or righty and regardless of the (strong) different political views both sides had - we all shared a common set of values and would have never tolerated that those thing happened without strong consequences.

Unfortunately we have lost the compass...on both sides of the Atlantic. I guess with the death of Senator McCain the most prominent fighter for those values also died....

[u crank]

There is a great irony here. Russians meddling in U.S. elections is constantly being aided by leaks in the American intellegence community. Those leaks always go to left wing news media outlets (latest were to NYT and Washington Post) and they always are politically motivated. There is no attempt to hide this and it should be seen for what it is. The people who are doing this have zero interest in the security of American elections. They should be exposed.

[Catfish]

"Those leaks always go to left wing news media outlets." Says Fox News? Would they publish it and if it hit them in the face? Fox does not publish "news", it takes them from others and then adjusts them to their agenda.
Fox: No, Trump’s not angry. Yes, Trump’s angry. And it’s your fault for talking about it.
Fox News has responded to the news with a series of commentary that resembles the stages of grief: denial, then anger — plus some psychological projection — and no sign of acceptance. Don' let reality interfere with my opinion.

NSA reports that Russia is meddling with elections again, then:
"The day after the briefing was given, President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, as a direct response to the briefing. The Post is less clear on the contents of the briefing, but the Times reports from five different sources that the briefing primarily concerned active Russian threats to election security."

Don't anger the elephant.
But there's a bright side, Germany gets rid of Grenell :yep:

[August]

"Those leaks always go to left wing news media outlets." Says Fox News? Would they publish it and if it hit them in the face?:yep:


You're claiming that Fox is ignoring leaks sent to them by the Intelligence Community? So you're trying to meddle in our politics again. How come your meddling is always left wing? Oh that's right, like the these anonymous Deep State criminals you have a political axe to grind.

[Catfish]

Wait, don't turn this around again.

u crank wrote that only left wing media get the information about leaks.
I said Fox would ignore it anyway.
And the anonymous deep state trying to harm Trump, isn't that a left conspiracy?

[August]

Wait, don't turn this around again.

u crank wrote that only left wing media get the information about leaks.
I said Fox would ignore it anyway.

Well it seems to me that he is right. These leaks are never designed to help the President which is why they always given to the leftist media who the leakers know will take whatever they say as fact without question. On the other hand Fox talks about these leaks every time just as soon as they crop up (albeit more critically) so your claim they ignore them is simply wrong.

And the anonymous deep state trying to harm Trump, isn't that a left conspiracy?The deep state isn't right or left. It is all about them increasing their control over the nation. They are happy to espouse any cause, right or left, that helps them achieve this objective and they are quite willing to try and take down any politician like Trump that opposes them.

[Mr Quatro]

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-socialism-is-a-philosophy-of-failure-the-creed-of-ignorance-and-the-gospel-of-envy-its-winston-churchill-5-62-82.jpg?fbclid=IwAR3T_ppvSeueP_z1TzmvgHd85F-2bcV8THZNAnYlD_GWEBHtaWB9a80rpFE

Liberal and left wingers take note that this is exactly what Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and the followers of other liberal democrats want from free college tuitions, to free borders to free health care to smaller military to fill in the blanks ______________.

They want us to share in their suffering and put up an umbrella for all :yep:

When it works in Cuba let me know :oops:

[u crank]

NSA reports that Russia is meddling with elections again, ...


This whole thing is becoming a joke and the person who is laughing his head off is Putin. First off you have the American intelligence agencies full of Obama holdovers and proud Resistance types. Second you have a very compliant left wing news media full of gulible hall monitor types who all hate Trump. "What to do" says Putin? Oh I know, lets let these intelligence agencies believe that we are going to interfere in the 2020 election. Not hard to do. These people feed their opposites false information all the time. Then the Resistance/neverTrumpers leak that to the easily excited types at CNN who never check sources and presto....everyone is running around with their hair on fire and Putin is smoking a cigar and sipping his vodka.

That rational clear thinking people can't see this is a mystery to me.

[Dowly]

That rational clear thinking people can't see this is a mystery to me.
Rational clear thinking people see that it has been proven multiple times that Russia sought to influence voters in 2016 elections and from that it is not a great leap of faith to believe that they would do it again. After all, if there's one country where creating division and spreading false information via social media works it's the US.

[u crank]

Rational clear thinking people see that it has been proven multiple times that Russia sought to influence voters in 2016 elections and from that it is not a great leap of faith to believe that they would do it again. After all, if there's one country where creating division and spreading false information via social media works it's the US.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying Dowly. I am in no way suggesting that they didn't try or that they won't try again. Quite the opposite. What I am saying is that now the Russians see very clearly the relationship between the antiTrump resistance in the American intellegence agencies and their counterparts in the progressive media. They see how easy it is to lead these types by the nose and manipulate their messaging to the public. Russia's attempts to influence voters would be greatly reduced if some Americans would stop cooperating with them.

[Catfish]

[...] The deep state isn't right or left. It is all about them increasing their control over the nation. They are happy to espouse any cause, right or left, that helps them achieve this objective and they are quite willing to try and take down any politician like Trump that opposes them.
On that i partially agree, though i believe the real "deep state" Eisenhower warned about has the money and resources, which is mostly not ecxactly "left wing". That this threat to democracy is suddenly to be believed of some left manouevering just because it is against Trump, does not convince me.

I would not describe me as "left", but i perceive the arguments are often in their favour. Perceived, mind you.
Also a stout european right-wing would of course be "left" in the current political cimate in the US :03:

[nikimcbee]

Just talk. These states as well as all of them would have a very hard time without federal dollars provide to each every year.
They're not leaving the country (not in the OR,WA,ID case) They'd be joining Idaho.

[moose1am]

Are these the same anonymous intelligence officials that claimed Saddam had WMD? :hmmm:

I think it was Dick Cheney who did that. :Kaleun_Cheers::Kaleun_Salute:

[Catfish]

That rational clear thinking people can't see this is a mystery to me.
On that we can agree.

[MaDef]

They're not leaving the country (not in the OR,WA,ID case) They'd be joining Idaho.It's a moot point, any redrawing of state boundaries would need congressional approval, and those idiots couldn't find their collective asses with both hands and a mirror.

[Buddahaid]

Why didn't this guy run? He makes just as much sense..
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51602655

[August]

I think it was Dick Cheney who did that. :Kaleun_Cheers::Kaleun_Salute:


Dick Cheney was Vice President, he was not producing intelligence reports.

[Catfish]

Why didn't this guy run? He makes just as much sense..
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51602655
Umm.. have you evidence to convince me the world is not flat when certain newspapers tell me so?
But then, if the world was flat, cats would already have pushed all things off the edge :03:

[mapuc]

If Trump and his supporters take it thoughtless and just sit and enjoy life during the election, He and his supporters may wake up to an unpleasant surprise, the day after the election.

When hearing and reading words like

Sanders have no chance...Trump will win easily.

A warning clock rings in my head.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

When hearing and reading words like

Sanders have no chance...Trump will win easily.

A warning clock rings in my head.

Markus

Don't worry about it Markus ... if you could watch USA news like we do
you would see 10's of thousands of Trump followers lining up to go to
his political rallies that raise money for his reelection.

Them you would see the pathical few that attend the Sanders rallies that want free this and free that

even the democrats don't want Sanders due to he is so different than what they really stand for.

about (8) months and one week till we know, but we still have to go through the circus debates of Trump
and the GOP hopefuls and then of course the DNC and the GOP debates to decide which one is a better candidate to lead America on to victory. :up:

[Dowly]

if you could watch USA news like we doBlindfolded? :hmmm:

[Mr Quatro]

Blindfolded? :hmmm:

You mean like a road runner cartoon ... beep beep!

[AVGWarhawk]

If Trump and his supporters take it thoughtless and just sit and enjoy life during the election, He and his supporters may wake up to an unpleasant surprise, the day after the election.

When hearing and reading words like

Sanders have no chance...Trump will win easily.

A warning clock rings in my head.

Markus

I don't sense any Trump supporters sitting on their heals not voting. In fact, I see more involvement. Particularly because it is Bernie who appears to be gaining traction.

[mapuc]

I don't sense any Trump supporters sitting on their heals not voting. In fact, I see more involvement. Particularly because it is Bernie who appears to be gaining traction.

Of course his supporters will vote on him and then there will be those who don't 'cause they expect him to win.

What I try to say is-As I read among those of my friends who support Trump, "He will win easily" and it can be dangerous to have such an attitude.

I do recall what a Swedish journalist said on Swedish TV in the middle of the 90's.

"George W. Bush was very popular after the first Iraqi war and people around him said he could sit tight through the 92/93 election and win with ease.
And he didn't win-Bill Clinton did, as you know by now."

Markus

[Bilge_Rat]

I would not say Bernie has no chance. I like Bernie. I have been following his career for over 20 years. He is a very honest politician, in the sense that he says what he believes.

He is also practical. In his years in Congress, he has learned to negotiate deals to get what he wants, often with very conservative politicians. If he won, he would probably be a more moderate, practical President than most people give him credit for.

But he is an out and out hard line Marxist, it is not a show. His policies will probably scare enough voters to give the edge to Trump.

[AVGWarhawk]

I would not say Bernie has no chance. I like Bernie. I have been following his career for over 20 years. He is a very honest politician, in the sense that he says what he believes.

He is also practical. In his years in Congress, he has learned to negotiate deals to get what he wants, often with very conservative politicians. If he won, he would probably be a more moderate, practical President than most people give him credit for.

But he is an out and out hard line Marxist, it is not a show. His policies will probably scare enough voters to give the edge to Trump.

Bernie=Free. Free college. Free healthcare. When colleges and hospitals stop paying their electric, water, gas bills and medicine is dispensed without charge will if be free because these institutions will have ceased paying for anything. They do not need the money. Until then the "government sponsored programs" are really tax payer sponsored programs. Bernie uses the word "trillion" like the money grows on trees. He railed against the millionaires. Now that he is one he rails against the billionaires. And Cuba ain't so bad according to Bernie. Really, when then do many in Cuba use make shift rafts to go 80 miles to Florida? Bernie is scary enough without his policies.

[u crank]

If Sanders does become President in 2020 he will probably be a disappointment to the people who voted for him. His election promises are just too pie in the sky. Democrats will have to control both the House and the Senate and even then there may be some Democrats who oppose his ideas.

[Jimbuna]

When I see Sanders on tv I am instantly reminded of Corbyn and his pre election promises.

[AVGWarhawk]

If Sanders does become President in 2020 he will probably be a disappointment to the people who voted for him. His election promises are just too pie in the sky. Democrats will have to control both the House and the Senate and even then there may be some Democrats who oppose his ideas.

Pie in the sky is putting it lightly. The guy is smoking some strong stuff.

[u crank]

Pie in the sky is putting it lightly. The guy is smoking some strong stuff.

Bernie is an ideolog. All of his ideas come from a socialist ideology that is not anchored in reality. What does he propose?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/

-College for All and Cancel Student Debt. Cost $2.2 trillion.

-Housing for All. Cost $2.5 trillion.

-Universal Childcare/Pre-K. Cost $1.5 trillion.

-Green New Deal. Cost $16.3 trillion.

-Medicare for All. ???

Bernie's website gives no estimate but most experts predict at least $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.

There is one thing for sure and Sanders freely admits it. Taxes will go up.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z2XRg3dy9k

[em2nought]

Bernie is an ideolog. All of his ideas come from a socialist ideology that is not anchored in reality. What does he propose?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/

-College for All and Cancel Student Debt. Cost $2.2 trillion.

-Housing for All. Cost $2.5 trillion.

-Universal Childcare/Pre-K. Cost $1.5 trillion.

-Green New Deal. Cost $16.3 trillion.

-Medicare for All. ???

Bernie's website gives no estimate but most experts predict at least $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.

There is one thing for sure and Sanders freely admits it. Taxes will go up.


Even if it were all possible it doesn't take into account that all the movers and shakers are gonna say f#@$ that and pull up stakes. It assumes Bernie will inherit a wonderful economy from Trump, and that the economy will stay wonderful under a communist. Fat chance. The market will dive just on the possibility of our President being a communist. If Bernie gets elected it will really tank. Gold is gonna $oar, until Bernie confiscates it that is. :har:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/t6wAAOSwZ15dq4wE/s-l300.png

[AVGWarhawk]

Bernie is an ideolog. All of his ideas come from a socialist ideology that is not anchored in reality. What does he propose?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/

-College for All and Cancel Student Debt. Cost $2.2 trillion.

-Housing for All. Cost $2.5 trillion.

-Universal Childcare/Pre-K. Cost $1.5 trillion.

-Green New Deal. Cost $16.3 trillion.

-Medicare for All. ???

Bernie's website gives no estimate but most experts predict at least $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.

There is one thing for sure and Sanders freely admits it. Taxes will go up.

Bernie is un-electable. Certainly there are many who like Bernie for his universal healthcare for all but those same people are not for free college for all. Nothing is free after all. Government funded programs is really tax payer funded programs.

Stating taxes will go up is similar to shooting one's self in the foot.

[AVGWarhawk]

Even if it were all possible it doesn't take into account that all the movers and shakers are gonna say f#@$ that and pull up stakes. It assumes Bernie will inherit a wonderful economy from Trump, and that the economy will stay wonderful under a communist. Fat chance. The market will dive just on the possibility of our President being a communist. If Bernie gets elected it will really tank. Gold is gonna $oar, until Bernie confiscates it that is. :har:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/t6wAAOSwZ15dq4wE/s-l300.png

There is already talk that Bernie as the front runner is making waves in the stock market. However, a majority is this virus. Similar reaction in the market has happened in the past with a virus outbreak. Also, similar reaction in the market during an election year has also spooked many to sell.

Sadly, this drop in the market affects all who have a 401K. To me the 401K is the big lie. It is not a sure thing. It is a risk. A risk that many take but have no recourse if the market tanks, housing collapses or just a poor overall economy. We as workers contributing to 401K are continually told to simply stuff money in the 401K. All will be well. Look at the long term. Well, some do not have a long term any longer. When the market dumps so does their retirement

[Mr Quatro]

If Sanders wins the nomination, and I don't think he will, it won't be

Sanders vs Trump it will be Socialism vs Capitalism

Fear of Socialism should return Trump to the WH ... Where I have already
said in the past that Trump will turn the WH over to VP Pence and take his leave.

As bad as Biden looks he should make a come back soon in the South and win the nomination for the DNC.

Did you hear where Hillary has thrown in her support for Sanders? :yep:

[mapuc]

It happens my brain enter a conflict mode.

During the last month or so, our Danish and Swedish news channel and news program have given me the feeling it's all party at the Dem's and Bernie will be the Western worlds savior.

Then I saw yesterdays episode of Cooper 360 (degrees) (well I saw 10-15 minute of it)
In this episode he had some former to Obama and something else-I notice his first name-Rahm (those who understand German know)

During this interview a text below said something like

The situation in the Dem party could be described as panic.

This made my brain go into a conflict mode.

Is it all party or is there panic among the leaders in the Dem's party

Markus

[u crank]

One cannot help but note that the rise of Bernie Sanders and the socialist/left in the Democrat party is a problem of their own making. Everything that the progressive/left/liberal crowd has been saying for the last twenty or thirty years has produced this moment. The progression from Bill Clinton to Barrack Obama to Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders is more than obvious. The socialist left elements of the party are trying to slide into the drivers seat. Only now when the moderates see a disaster in the making are they willing to try and stop it. It might be too late.

One thing you can say about Trump, he has been lucky with his opponents. Hillary was a gift. Pelosi is becoming irrelevant and now he may get Bernie the socialist.

[mapuc]

Your system on selecting a candidate is somehow similar to how we do it.

The Democrats put forward some candidate and then it's up to the American voters especially those who support the Democrats.

This raise the question

Is it those who support Bernie who have made a political left turn or is it due to something else.

Have always learned that socialisme and communism is not popular among the Americans.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Have always learned that socialisme and communism is not popular among the Americans.

Markus

That is an understatement.

[Onkel Neal]

Have always learned that socialisme and communism is not popular among the Americans.

Markus

Socialism is communism for beginners.

[Buddahaid]

This is fun.
https://www.insider.com/trump-impeachment-graphic-feature-comic-2020-2

[em2nought]

This is fun.
https://www.insider.com/trump-impeachment-graphic-feature-comic-2020-2


They sure do "draw" democratic women in a flattering manner. Nancy Pelosi looks even better than Hanoi Jane's plastic surgery. :har:

[AVGWarhawk]

They sure do "draw" democratic women in a flattering manner. Nancy Pelosi looks even better than Hanoi Jane's plastic surgery. :har:

She also appears sober? :hmmm:

[Skybird]

A new contender to challenge Trump'S reelection has stepped into the ring. Corona.



If the crisis gets mishandled by the health system and supporting offices, Trump will pay for it. If Corona leads the eocnomy into a recession, Trump will pay for it (traditionally and historically presidents up for relection are paying for the economy going down at the end of their first term).