Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 [Archive] - Page 6

Dargo

10-03-23, 02:26 PM

You can also add to the above with the fact that a good number of their best, brightest and college educated people including Engineer's of various disciplines have left Russia, probably never to return. Putrid wanted to return Russia to it's perceived " World power status and standing." Putrid instead turned Russia into a vast Intellectual and cultural wasteland and a worldwide pariah, terrorist state.In a week they lose a month worth they've ceased to function as an army if this war just suddenly stopped and Russia went back to lick its wounds like it wouldn't be able to do anything for a generation of any meaningful kind of military the whole thing is Russia is shooting themselves in the foot like the whole decision of Putin to do has been absolutely ridiculous.

But they are able to stop Ukraine from advancing by fortifications, mines, equipment, human beings in the meat grinder that is what Robotyne is Russia just throws everything in the kitchen sink there, and it's continuing this will never be the country what it was. For them saying they have enough they do not that is shown in this summer Russia is shaping a new offensive for months, but that offensive will not begin this year maybe never they do not have the armour or artillery they are losing that more than they can get out of stock or produce.

Commander Wallace

10-03-23, 02:38 PM

In a week they lose a month worth they've ceased to function as an army if this war just suddenly stopped and Russia went back to lick its wounds like it wouldn't be able to do anything for a generation of any meaningful kind of military the whole thing is Russia is shooting themselves in the foot like the whole decision of Putin to do has been absolutely ridiculous.

But they are able to stop Ukraine from advancing by fortifications, mines, equipment, human beings in the meat grinder that is what Robotyne is Russia just throws everything in the kitchen sink there, and it's continuing this will never be the country what it was. For them saying they have enough they do not that is shown in this summer Russia is shaping a new offensive for months, but that offensive will not begin this year maybe never they do not have the armour or artillery they are losing that more than they can get out of stock or produce.

I absolutely agree with all of that and can't say it any better than you did.

This article highlights what you have said and more.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/theyre-just-meat-russia-deploys-050545051.html

mapuc

10-03-23, 02:47 PM

But they are able to stop Ukraine from advancing by fortifications, mines, equipment, human beings in the meat grinder that is what Robotyne is Russia just throws everything in the kitchen sink there, and it's continuing this will never be the country what it was. For them saying they have enough they do not that is shown in this summer Russia is shaping a new offensive for months, but that offensive will not begin this year maybe never they do not have the armour or artillery they are losing that more than they can get out of stock or produce.

How much does this cost the Russian in lost soldiers and materials ?
How huge is the Ukrainian reserve
Are they able to advance to Tokmak ?

Markus

Dargo

10-03-23, 03:10 PM

How much does this cost the Russian in lost soldiers and materials ?
How huge is the Ukrainian reserve
Are they able to advance to Tokmak ?

MarkusWhat they can get out of stock or produce, they're losing now in a week for soldiers I would not know but allot, but that is on both sides. Ukrainian reserve is not really used, those new brigades with all that ally equipment can not be used because the breach is not a real breach. To get to Tokmak has become political military that plan has not worked and will not work because of the many fortifications they need to use infantry that is going to slow and Russia send all it best forces to this area if they cleared one line after that there will be another too many to slow. What Ukraine is doing good is the attrition that is working, Ukraine need to change the plan they first had their offensive is on the wrong place their goal is not visible. When Ukraine can keep up destroying Russian amour and artillery instead of gaining kilometres, they also can win this.

mapuc

10-03-23, 03:23 PM

Dargo

10-03-23, 04:12 PM

^ Thank you
So in other words-Both side is in position where none of them can win.

Then we have time, as some of you have mentioned, is on Russian side.

I say time is also on Ukrainian side.

MarkusApart from the "ifs" we will see no mayor changes as for the "time" Ukraine has the whole winter to destroy amour, artillery and supply that is hurting the Russians now for a couple of weeks. We will see some fighting, but not as much as in the summer, Ukraine needs to keep Russia hungry for ammo to weaken them :D.

Catfish

10-03-23, 04:24 PM

So Russia, a country with huge resources of oil and gas, has to plan how the government can shut down various people's supplies so it does not cause a rebellion.
Seems you have to be russian to understand this :doh:

Dargo

10-03-23, 04:27 PM

It is too early to worry about the implications of the victory of Slovakia’s pro-Kremlin politician Robert Fico on western aid to Ukraine, says Slovakian writer Mesik. The results largely confirmed public opinion polls over the past few months – Robert Fico (former three-time prime minister with a corrupt, pro-Kremlin reputation) won. However, with his 42 deputies (out of 150 in the Slovak parliament), he is miles away from positioning himself like Orban... https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/10/03/fico-will-not-become-a-second-orban-a-view-from-slovakia/?swcfpc=1

Jimbuna

10-04-23, 03:17 AM

Jimbuna

10-04-23, 03:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1wAuSWL2-Q

Skybird

10-04-23, 06:15 AM

Jimbuna

10-04-23, 08:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udcxiifQ71U

tonschk

10-04-23, 09:42 AM

THOUSANDS Of Ukrainian Troops Surrender To Russia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1PdUTikaUo

mapuc

10-04-23, 10:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRZiXnnSK1Y&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-04-23, 12:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L1D7XbAXS0

Commander Wallace

10-04-23, 01:02 PM

The West sees it as a Pariah state, and even in the West some refuse to all out condemn Russia. The West is a minority in this, globally. The majority does not care or does Business as usual with Russia.

Sadly, to a large degree, that's true. However, in Africa, various countries are rethinking their connections with Russia and China. These countries are beginning to understand that Russia and China aren't the benevolent benefactors that they portray themselves to be but rather exploiters of the vast mineral resources to be found in Africa and in their respective countries. Russia and China care very little about any human sufferings, carnage or deaths this may cause in the host countries as they scramble for resources. In some cases, these areas are controlled by Tribal Warlords and not unified governments.

Jimbuna

10-04-23, 01:11 PM

Kremlin Conducts Chilling Nuclear War Drills Across Russia to Prepare for Potential WWIII

In a chilling moment for residents of Russia, sirens sounded, and children wore gas masks as the country simulated the response to a potential World War III.

Eerie sirens and doomsday-like messages were broadcast as the Russian government conducted a nuclear war drill, Knewz.com has learned.

Russia planned the drills part of preparation for a nuclear attack from the West, which the Kremlin considers the aggressor in world relations. The drills come as Russia is suspected of testing a nuclear missile.

Disturbing footage showed schoolchildren being instructed on how to correctly wear gas masks, according to the Daily Star.

The drill, equipped with sirens and loudspeakers, was conducted across all 11 time zones in Russia. "Attention everyone. There is a check of readiness of the warning system to the population. Please remain calm," blasted through the country as messages flashed on screen and interrupted TV programs.

Emergency services were gathered in hazmat suits and a group ran from a building carrying a dummy body on a stretcher while accompanied by a pack of dogs, according to the news outlet.

High-level Russian officials and police were hunkered down in bunkers during the country's first nation-wide civil defense exercise.

Though Russians have said the United States and other Western countries would be the likely culprits of a possible nuclear attack, it's unclear if that is Russia President Vladimir Putin's real fear or mere propaganda.

Irina Tsukerman told The Express that "Putin is not seriously concerned about possibility of a nuclear or other major scale attack by NATO."

Continuing, "The practice of martial law is particularly useful as Putin continues to crack down and isolate Russia from external influence. In reality, Russia is not preparing for a nuclear attack; it's preparing for a long-term imposition of internal restrictions, such as martial law."

The U.S. was also expected to issue a public emergency warning system at 2:20 p.m. EDT on October 4.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/kremlin-conducts-chilling-nuclear-war-drills-across-russia-to-prepare-for-potential-wwiii/ar-AA1hHbCp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d02fac01cfe546da94850fae32a68dc7&ei=16#image=AA1hH8hs|1

Dargo

10-04-23, 01:17 PM

When you think this invasion is going OK for Russia, the damn rubble is back in the kitchen sink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-HVcBFaGsw

Dargo

10-04-23, 01:26 PM

Sadly, to a large degree, that's true. However, in Africa, various countries are rethinking their connections with Russia and China. These countries are beginning to understand that Russia and China aren't the benevolent benefactors that they portray themselves to be but rather exploiters of the vast mineral resources to be found in Africa and in their respective countries. Russia and China care very little about any human sufferings, carnage or deaths this may cause in the host countries as they scramble for resources. In some cases, these areas are controlled by Tribal Warlords and not unified governments.Also, those various countries are smaller markets that will not import that much from Russia as the western market did with the rubble on low Russia export will be much lower in price than when it traded with the west I do not see a win for Russia again here Russia economy is no soviet economy any more, so it will hurt and fall more.

Skybird

10-04-23, 01:46 PM

And again the question raises whose side Bubble Olaf really is on. Spokesman made it clear that Germany will not deliver Taurus. Asked why not when France and Britain already do (Scalp/Storm Shadow), Babble Olaf gets quted with that "these can do what Germany is not perimitted to". He gets also quoted with that he fears the missiles would be used to destroy the Kerch bridge. Obvioulsy he loves the Kerch bridge just too much.

mapuc

10-04-23, 01:54 PM

Dargo

10-04-23, 02:03 PM

A friend asked me a good question

When reading about all the success the Ukrainians has on the battlefield, one would expect them to have reached the Azov Sea and the Black Sea.
They haven't they have only succeeded partial.

I must say he is somehow right.

The success is only a few hundred meters per week or so.

MarkusSuccess on the battlefield is not always measured in gaining ground Ukraine faces a bigger army their success is making the Russian army smaller and weaker will not give them gains in area now but if keeping hammering the enemy enough it will not be able of defending that area.

And again the question raises whose side Bubble Olaf really is on. Spokesman made it clear that Germany will not deliver Taurus. Asked why not when France and Britain already do (Scalp/Storm Shadow), Babble Olaf gets quted with that "these can do what Germany is not perimitted to". He gets also quoted with that he fears the missiles would be used to destroy the Kerch bridge. Obvioulsy he loves the Kerch bridge just too much.:hmmm: "Germany is not perimitted" a Swedish-German air-launched cruise missile not permitted by the Swedish?

Russia Withdraws Black Sea Fleet Vessels From Crimea Base After Ukrainian Attacks
Russia has withdrawn the bulk of its Black Sea Fleet from its main base in occupied Crimea, a potent acknowledgment of how Ukrainian missile and drone strikes are challenging MoscowÂ’s hold on the peninsula. Russia has moved powerful vessels including three attack submarines and two frigates from Sevastopol to other ports in Russia and Crimea that offer better protection, according to Western officials and satellite images verified by naval experts. The Russian Defense Ministry didnÂ’t respond to a request for comment... https://www.wsj.com/world/russia-withdraws-black-sea-fleet-vessels-from-crimea-base-after-ukrainian-attacks-51d6d4f5

Catfish

10-04-23, 02:20 PM

When you think this invasion is going OK for Russia, the damn rubble is back in the kitchen sink. [...] [very good video here!]
The Ruble hasn't crashed, it's made a special value adjustment :D

tonschk

10-04-23, 02:25 PM

Ukrainian Nazi SS Divisions In Britain - Postwar Nazi SS-Galizien Division Refugees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo

mapuc

10-04-23, 03:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwtXRBxwwow&ab_channel=UkraineMatters

Markus

Catfish

10-04-23, 03:52 PM

re Tonschk: Nazinazinazinazinazi. Hasn't been said often enough.
All the nazis of the world have united to fight poor helpless innocent Putin
(Lies in italics)

tonschk

10-04-23, 04:34 PM

Russia's Dreadful Drones Bring Ukraine To Its Knees;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCbH_mUwvHM

Catfish

10-04-23, 04:42 PM

Russia's Dreadful Drones Bring Ukraine To Its Knees; [...]
Really? Watch it: It does not look like it. (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2886864&postcount=1279)

But you are right in one point:
Putin does not fight the enemy military, he is trying to kill another nation's civilians. And he does not bring them to their knees, all he does is make Ukraine, and the world, despise him.
And if you do not get rid of him in time this notion will reach whole Russia.

mapuc

10-04-23, 04:57 PM

Really? Watch it: It does not look like it. (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2886864&postcount=1279)

But you are right in one point:
Putin does not fight the enemy military, he is trying to kill another nation's civilians. And he does not bring them to their knees, all he does is make Ukraine, and the world, despise him.
And if you do not get rid of him in time this notion will reach whole Russia.

According to this man in the video, Ukrainian is about to win the artillery war.

And that is even when Ukraine has a lot less artillery than Russia has.
They, the Russian are running low on shells.

Markus

Eisenwurst

10-04-23, 05:16 PM

Mark Felton's a commie stooge. He spent years working in Red China.

Rockstar

10-04-23, 08:12 PM

Mark Felton's a commie stooge. He spent years working in Red China.

Ah yes the Rimini list and the Canadian Deschênes Commission of October ‘86. Red Chinese or not, Felton’s video rings true.

Instead of trying to neatly place everyone in a political box it helps if we at least try to understand the confusing, terrible times when the worst of humanity was exposed that these people were forced to live in. For Ukrainians choices were limited to just two dictators! On one side a Russian dictator openly intent on oppression and genocide. On the other a German dictator who lied, promising a free Ukraine if they fought for him, little did they know that was never Hitlers goal. Today in hind sight we can most assuredly say Ukrainians were fekked no matter what side they chose .

Finland on the other hand was able to use Hitler and his military to their advantage to help kill the immediate Russian threat and survive as an independent country.

The good guys defeated Hitler, but Putin’s Russia has once again brought nothing but misery and death to Ukraine. Russians either needs to be killed off permanently or forcibly removed from the 1991 borders. And like Lord Ismay, I strongly believe the United States of America needs to lead the way in that endeavor.

August

10-04-23, 11:48 PM

Ah yes the Rimini list and the Canadian Deschênes Commission of October ‘86. Red Chinese or not, Felton’s video rings true.

But instead of trying to place everyone in a political box it helps to at least try and understand the confusing and terrible times when the worst of humanity was exposed these people lived in. For Ukrainians choices were limited to only two dictators! On one side a Russian dictator openly intent on oppression and genocide. On the other a German dictator who lied promising a free Ukraine if they fought for him, little did they know that was never Hitlers goal. Today we can most assuredly say Ukrainians were fekked no matter what side they choose.

Finland on the other hand was able to use Hitler and his military to their advantage to help kill the immediate Russian threat.

Though we defeated Hitler, Putin’s Russia once again has brought nothing but misery and death to Ukraine. Russians either need to killed off permanently or forcibly removed from the 1991 borders. And like Lord Ismay, I strongly believe the United States of America needs to lead the way in that endeavor.

Well said. Ukraine spent the 1930's being subjected to the Holodomor by Stalin and the Commies. In that kind of world where you watch your family starve to death in front of your eyes or get sent to Siberia never to be seen again, the devil himself might be seen as a savior.

Jimbuna

10-05-23, 05:14 AM

The Ruble hasn't crashed, it's made a special value adjustment :D

re Tonschk: Nazinazinazinazinazi. Hasn't been said often enough.
All the nazis of the world have united to fight poor helpless innocent Putin
(Lies in italics)

Really? Watch it: It does not look like it. (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2886864&postcount=1279)

But you are right in one point:
Putin does not fight the enemy military, he is trying to kill another nation's civilians. And he does not bring them to their knees, all he does is make Ukraine, and the world, despise him.
And if you do not get rid of him in time this notion will reach whole Russia.

Truly amazing how blinkered some people are even to the point of being unable to recognize how embarrassing they appear to the majority.

Tis a pity you can't arrange transportation for them Kai so they can experience the luxury of mass rape and killing if innocent civilians.

Slava Ukraine.

Jimbuna

10-05-23, 05:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezyWTWGfOyI

Commander Wallace

10-05-23, 06:45 AM

Truly amazing how blinkered some people are even to the point of being unable to recognize how embarrassing they appear to the majority.

Tis a pity you can't arrange transportation for them Kai so they can experience the luxury of mass rape and killing if innocent civilians.

Slava Ukraine.

Very well said and right to the point, as always. :)

It's gratifying to me that the vast majority of Subsim members see things the same way. Catfish, August,Sky and Rockstar as well. Rockstar's post of # 1283 in this thread Illustrates that as well. I will only add this to Rockstar's post. Those that complain about the cost's of supporting the Ukraine should consider the cost's of Not supporting the Ukraine.

Unless a stand is made here and now, NATO will see Russia and Putrid in the near future in another country and then another and on and on....
What will the costs be then ? I'm sure it would be considerably more. I'm sure the U.K, Germany and Poland, among other countries in Europe, have an acute understanding of these facts due to their relative proximity to Russia. The U.S must stand with it's allies.

NATO was created for just this reason.

Jimbuna

10-05-23, 06:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyENvWVMNrE

mapuc

10-05-23, 07:56 AM

Very well said and right to the point, as always. :)

It's gratifying to me that the vast majority of Subsim members see things the same way. Catfish, August,Sky and Rockstar as well. Rockstar's post of # 1283 in this thread Illustrates that as well. I will only add this to Rockstar's post. Those that complain about the cost's of supporting the Ukraine should consider the cost's of Not supporting the Ukraine.

Unless a stand is made here and now, NATO will see Russia and Putrid in the near future in another country and then another and on and on....
What will the costs be then ? I'm sure it would be considerably more. I'm sure the U.K, Germany and Poland, among other countries in Europe, have an acute understanding of these facts due to their relative proximity to Russia. The U.S must stand with it's allies.

NATO was created for just this reason.

I'm the one who is hoping our military aid to Ukraine may continue until the end and even increase in quantity and of course quality.

I even hope that Ukraine will in the end kick Russia out of Ukraine.
SLAVA UKRAINI

Markus

tonschk

10-05-23, 09:29 AM

the majority.

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2310051958320296.jpg (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2310051958320296.jpg)

Exocet25fr

10-05-23, 12:36 PM

Oups!! you're hard :):yep::haha:

Jimbuna

10-05-23, 01:06 PM

Yet another shining example of Russian military bravery against unarmed civilians.

A Russian strike in north-eastern Ukraine has killed at least 51 people, officials say
The attack happened in the village of Hroza near Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region
A six-year-old boy was among those killed when the attack happened at 13:15 local time
According to reports villagers from Hroza had gathered in a local cafe for a wake following the death of a resident
Posting to Telegram, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of "genocidal aggression"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/67018505

Torvald Von Mansee

10-05-23, 02:54 PM

the majority.

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2310051958320296.jpg (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2310051958320296.jpg)

Pretty sure Carlin would have nothing but contempt for you..

mapuc

10-05-23, 03:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXx9j3EGv58&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Dargo

10-05-23, 03:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXx9j3EGv58&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

MarkusBack? Russia tries this for weeks without result, they have no reserves all is on the Robotyne area that is more important to keep if that gap breaks down the road to Tokmak is open, then they are in big trouble.

mapuc

10-05-23, 03:48 PM

Back? Russia tries this for weeks without result, they have no reserves all is on the Robotyne area that is more important to keep if that gap breaks down the road to Tokmak is open, then they are in big trouble.

I was thinking on what you have written in some of your answers to me earlier, during the watch of this video.
That's why I posted the video, 'cause I found it interesting Russia on the move forward while they are trying to defend certain areas in the South and Northeast

Markus

Catfish

10-05-23, 03:57 PM

Hard to see the truth of course, however if you look at different media across the globe it seems things are not going well for Putin.
Especially russian telegram posts or indian/african sources.
Still, it is good that we also have some russian opinions and even propaganda, the latter is never so strong as when things go bad for Putin :03:

mapuc

10-05-23, 05:23 PM

In todays program-News Room the anchor asked 4 expert on when will it be peace in Ukraine.

Each of them had their version.

For me it can only be peace under these condition:

1. Russia withdraw all their soldiers and material from the entire Ukraine
2. Ukraine and Russia comes to an agreement where Russia keep some part of Ukraine
3. Ukraine surrender.

I support number one-Either they withdraw their troops or be kicked out.

Markus

Skybird

10-05-23, 05:38 PM

Skybird

10-05-23, 05:48 PM

ET2SN

10-05-23, 06:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRcWKwxYbJ0

There are some good points to ponder. :hmmm:

No matter how it ends, Russia doesn't get a NATO-hosted victory parade. In fact, no matter how it ends, Russia keeps its Pariah status for another generation or two. :yep:

Keeping the war going does NOT weaken NATO, quite the opposite.

Ukraine will keep punching. They will punch more effectively with aid and arms from NATO and the western powers. In other words- as long as Ukraine keeps punching, Russia gets weaker. :yep:

Skybird

10-05-23, 07:03 PM

as long as Ukraine keeps punching, Russia gets weaker.

And Ukraine only keeps punching as longs as the West gives sufficient support (and the powergrid of Ukriane is not taken out so that their factories must shut down). Its not sufficient already now, as I often argued. Too little to live, too much to die. The public mood to support Ukraine, is in decline, slowly, but steadily.

And Europe still has not switched on war production. :k_confused:

Jimbuna

10-06-23, 05:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kLFuhKRf5w

Jimbuna

10-06-23, 05:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhJAcA32Q8k

Jimbuna

10-06-23, 08:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP0h7669FUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O9xyNXJODk

Dargo

10-06-23, 12:08 PM

Some day sago media rumoured that Putin issues kind of an ultimatum to Shoigu to start an attack, just any attack, on any Ukrianian city, no matter the cost, in a bid to regain initiave and/or to force Ukraine to divert forces it uses in its own offensive. The claimed russian offensive may be expression of that ultimatum, if it was real. That would possibly imply that the the Russians indeed support this offensive desperately and with just anything they can scratch together, which currently is not much.

Russian has announced the formation of new units. Thats a game they can do very, very, very often. It say snotrhign apout the quality of that units, but over the longer time their mere numbers may exhaust the Ukrainians.Putin has extended the deadline for Russian forces to capture Donetsk Oblast from August 31, 2022 to the highly unlikely target date of September 15, 2022 now Putin wants the Ukrainian counteroffensive halted by early October 2023 and has instructed Russia’s defence minister Sergei Shoigu to improve the situation both demands are/were not possible. Russia's losses more amour and artillery than they can replace, so those new units will be weak canon fodder (that is why the cluster munition is given) the ongoing mobilisation does not mean they all going to Ukraine these are conscripts those are not allowed to fight in Ukraine they must first sign a contract to go to war the ones that go are mostly poor promise a lot of money, but money does not ensure good fighters more bad moral if they realize they are meat for the grinder.

Jimbuna

10-06-23, 12:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpUFk9_IOZE

Dargo

10-06-23, 12:23 PM

Frankfzurte rRundschau published this image to illustrate the advance of Ukraine June 7th to today.
A "breakthrough looks different.
I think Kyiv exaggerated their successes a bit... :-?
And wasnt it said they "breached the third defenc eline of the Russians? All I see on that illustration is they merely broke through the second, and are a good way away from the third.

They overwhelmed some serious defences - at unknown costs for themselves. A breakthrough this is not.

https://i.postimg.cc/VNX8FGcV/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)They got in a small part of the third defence line these defence lines here are the second best they are a very difficult network on different levels (tunnels and very deep trenches with bunkers all connected with each other WW1 kind of battle) hard to clear and Russia send it elite VDV's they have thrown everything on this area it is top priority for Russia to keep these lines this is the battle for Tokmak if Ukraine can break the Russians here they can kettle Tokmak and threaten the supply line network there.

mapuc

10-06-23, 12:34 PM

I must say, it is interesting to follow the discussion between two friends here in this thread.

Can both be right ? Can both be wrong ?
Will one of them in the end be more accurate in his writings ?

I put my money on one of them..

(As I want Ukraine to win the war and kick Russia out of Ukraine)

Back to discuss war in Ukraine.

She has lost a nickel or two since she can come up with such a suggestion-Using the strongest nukes Russia have and drop it in Siberia.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-06-23, 12:37 PM

Russia has successfully tested an experimental nuclear-powered cruise missile, Vladimir Putin said, and warned that the country’s parliament could revoke its ratification of a treaty banning nuclear tests.

In a speech at a forum of foreign policy experts, Mr Putin announced that Moscow has effectively completed the development of the Burevestnik cruise missile and the Sarmat heavy intercontinental ballistic missile and will work on putting them into production.

“We conducted the last successful test of the Burevestnik nuclear-powered global-range cruise missile,” he said without elaborating.

His statement was the first announcement of a successful test of the Burevestnik, which translates as Storm Petrel. It was first mentioned by Mr Putin in 2018.

Little is known about the Burevestnik, which was code-named Skyfall by Nato, and many western experts have been sceptical about it, noting that a nuclear engine could be highly unreliable.

It is believed to be able to carry a nuclear warhead or a conventional one, and could stay aloft for a much longer time than other missiles and cover much more distance thanks to nuclear propulsion.

When Mr Putin first revealed that Russia was working on the weapon in his 2018 state-of-the-nation address, he claimed it would have an unlimited range, allowing it to circle the globe undetected by missile defence systems.

Many observers have argued that such a weapon could be difficult to handle and would pose an environmental threat.

The US and the Soviet Union worked on nuclear-powered rocket engines during the Cold War, but they eventually shelved the projects, considering them too hazardous.

The Burevestnik reportedly suffered an explosion in August 2019 during tests at a Russian navy range on the White Sea, killing five nuclear engineers and two servicemen and causing a brief spike in radioactivity that fuelled fears in a nearby city.

Russian officials never identified the weapon involved, but the US said it was the Burevestnik.

In the speech on Thursday, Mr Putin noted the US has signed but not ratified the 1996 Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban, while Moscow has signed and ratified it. He argued that Russia could mirror the stand taken by Washington.

“Theoretically, we may revoke the ratification,” he said.

Moscow last tested a nuclear weapon in 1990, before the collapse of the Soviet Union a year later. It ratified the global test ban in 2000.

Mr Putin’s statement comes amid widespread concerns that Russia could resume nuclear tests to try to discourage the West from continuing to offer military support to Ukraine after the Kremlin sent troops into the country.

The president said that while some experts have talked about the need to conduct nuclear tests, he has not yet formed an opinion on the issue.

“I’m not ready to say yet whether it’s necessary for us to conduct tests or not,” he said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-has-tested-experimental-nuclear-powered-cruise-missile-says-putin/ar-AA1hKucz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c2e46257729445d586e86a54f3ab2661&ei=16

Catfish

10-06-23, 01:07 PM

[...]
And Europe [Germany] still has not switched on war production. :k_confused:
If the west continues the support, Russia has lost. It has lost already, since Putin has no plan B, after plan A to take Kyiv in the first week failed.
Indeed I wonder what Russia really wants now, it seems they themselves have no clue. What do they want to achieve? Now?
Kill more Russians and Ukrainians just so, brilliant "plan".

Dargo

10-06-23, 01:39 PM

If the west continues the support, Russia has lost. It has lost already, since Putin has no plan B, after plan A to take Kyiv in the first week failed.
Indeed I wonder what Russia really wants now, it seems they themselves have no clue. What do they want to achieve? Now?
Kill more Russians and Ukrainians just so, brilliant "plan".When the plan did not work Putin is stuck in Ukraine dictators can not lose it is win or die for them if we can keep supporting Ukraine in any way Russia will crumble. Worse is this can take years but also can happen in months nobody can predict, fact is Russia history is full of these kinda leaders that ended badly. Russia is so cunning at the moment, they attrite themselves with their counter-attacks to get lost territory back.

Skybird

10-06-23, 03:08 PM

mapuc

10-06-23, 03:17 PM

It is not about right or wrong for me, I do not look for the numbers I look for the trends also take all those "experts" not serious they and we do not have the information to see how the picture looks and do not think this whole western plan on how to win this for Ukraine is realistic. Ukraine knows the best they got the info they got the knowledge they sacrifice themselves so think they know the best how to beat Russia.

Ukraine is striking artillery after artillery, tank after tank, APC after APC on a massive daily basis, and we are saying "doom Ukraine's for not moving forward" "doom Ukraine's just sitting there" "doom doom doom" but that is not happening there every day hundreds of people dying on the fronts that is a fact. That this offensive is over when it is gone to rain is not true, still hundreds will die daily because Ukraine will never surrender and that is their right it is their country their freedom they are fighting for.

It's certainly their rights and they are fighting for their freedom. This is why it is of most important that our aid to Ukraine do not stop until the war is over.

I recall someone mentioned in the old thread, that Russia had turn their factories into war production.
When reading about the stories about Russia running low on almost everything-Tanks, shells a.s.o. Makes one wonder how effective these factory is.

Markus

Catfish

10-06-23, 03:23 PM

It's certainly their rights and they are fighting for their freedom. [...]
It is not only "freedom" they fight or better defend for, they fight for not being killed. Putin and his troll and bot army along with those tv-show anchormen have said numerous times that they want to kill all Ukrainians.
They just wonder and discuss how to do this effectively, but several came up with concentration camps.
Just one quote "We have a problem because maybe we cannot genocide them all".
No joke, it is all published and available on the 'net.
This is why it is of most important that our aid to Ukraine do not stop until the war is over. [...] Markus
Amen to this.

Dargo

10-06-23, 03:25 PM

The war will sooner or later turn into a conflict of lower intensity, but then simmerign on endlessly - driven by Putin. Kremlin does this often, keeping conflpicts endlessly simmering, usually benefitting from the resulting instability and the slow erosion in the target region. But right now Putin still is focussed on winning, "all in".

Whether Russian reserves fad eout or not we will see. But the suppoort for Ukriane by the West is not to be taken for granted, it will decline in material deliveries, and decline faster in nation's population's support. The latter already happens.Maybe it will become like the Korea war possible, but Russia then becomes the same as North Korea Ukraine will come stronger out of this. China will not help Russia, it is to distance themselves like they do not really help North Korea China needs the west like we need China, so Russia will get the leftovers isolated on the globe. It will not get the support as Ukraine gets, Ukraine is western in goal we will help friends other countries not on our side can not help as we do.

Dargo

10-06-23, 03:30 PM

I recall someone mentioned in the old thread, that Russia had turn their factories into war production.
When reading about the stories about Russia running low on almost everything-Tanks, shells a.s.o. Makes one wonder how effective these factory is.

MarkusA country led by mafia (kleptocracy) is never gone to produce anything when it is already stolen on the way to the factory :D after the factory it will be stolen already seen empty shells arriving at the front.

Otto Harkaman

10-06-23, 03:54 PM

https://youtu.be/OsYtZCLBO9k?si=8BE_u28IffA1N51x

Catfish

10-06-23, 04:10 PM

^ Excellent! I hope Putin sees that. And believes it :03:

Dargo

10-06-23, 04:10 PM

https://youtu.be/OsYtZCLBO9k?si=8BE_u28IffA1N51xSo Ukraine failed because it did not do what the west expected without equipment needed, but Russian can and win after at least 3 failed offensives? Not the brightest crayon in the box, are we?

Otto Harkaman

10-06-23, 04:15 PM

^ you couldn't have watched the whole video in your time to respond. Why don't you watch it before you pop off?

Catfish

10-06-23, 04:25 PM

I posted earlier (post before Dargo) and I watched it. Not the whole thing though, waste of time.
edit: ah whatever

mapuc

10-06-23, 04:33 PM

I tired myself to the chair and watched 5 min-Then I could not stand it anymore.

This person forget all the material who has been destroyed and all the soldiers that has been killed on the Russian side.

Ukraines counteroffensive may look like a failure. It hasn't. The Ukrainian has crumble the Russian bear.

Yes, Ukrainian have losses too. However it is not as much as the Russian has

Markus

Dargo

10-06-23, 04:33 PM

^ you couldn't have watched the whole video in your time to respond. Why don't you watch it before you pop off?The title alone, "Ukraine’s Summer Offensive Has FAILED" is saying enough for me not to watch Ukraine still makes the call on the fronts Russia can only react on it analysing war movies, video games and react to other YouTube videos without the real front intel does not make you an expert seeing where he is on (social media) tells me enough he is in it for the fame he got no real knowledge like this guy https://www.youtube.com/@andrewperpetua who spends hours daily to analyse satellite images more than 8 hours a day who counts shelling to locate where who is. https://map.ukrdailyupdate.com/. I follow NATO generals who do not analys Ukraine offensive is lost this are people who fought war lately rather believe them than some attention wh.,,

Otto Harkaman

10-06-23, 04:41 PM

So, you think the offensive still has some chance to reach the Sea of Azov?

https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/INTERACTIVE-WHO-CONTROLS-WHAT-IN-UKRAINE-1696408230.png

Dargo

10-06-23, 04:47 PM

So, you think the offensive still has some chance to reach the Sea of Azov?

https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/INTERACTIVE-WHO-CONTROLS-WHAT-IN-UKRAINE-1696408230.pngThat was never in Ukraine plans it is to break up the Russian front to attrite it is not needed to reach the Sea of Azov to defeat Russia what it military already has.

mapuc

10-06-23, 04:48 PM

Strategically they don't have to reach Azov sea- It is more than enough to reach around 7-10 miles towards Tokmak.

Then the Ukrainians can use their artillery, HIMARS, MLRS a.s.o to cut of the Russian supply lines between Crimea and the rest of the occupied area(forgot what the area is called)

Markus

Catfish

10-06-23, 04:48 PM

^ ^ ^ re Otto Harkaman you think the offensive still has some chance to reach the Sea of Azov?
I do not know.
But videos by grace of Putin or Jin Ping, hiding behind individuals like this "history legends", are usually spam and propaganda.
Just look in this channel's "about" link, look at the other videos and tell me this is some neutral blogger.

B.t.w. I do not understand or recognize the colours in this map regarding regions :hmmm:
e.g. there is a lot of partisan warfare at Mariupol and in other regions, despite the russians turning one of Europe's most beautiful cities into rubble. Where is it on the map?

But to answer the question: They do not need to be on the Azov sea with boots on the ground to control and obliterate russian military, but I hope they get to the Azov sea before recapturing Crimea.

Otto Harkaman

10-06-23, 04:53 PM

Dargo

10-06-23, 04:54 PM

^^
Putin: I do not allow the colours in this map

Otto Harkaman

10-06-23, 05:03 PM

^^^^And if you would have watched the video you would have been aware that all the Ukraine reinforcements and supply are under Russian missile, artillery and drone interdiction in the Bakhmut salient. Its a death road to the frontline for continuing the advance.

Dargo

10-06-23, 05:04 PM

I've watched him on other historical subjects. I knew it would probably upset everyone by the title and thought about making an apology? But I thought what the hell, I like different perspective of thought.

I haven't post in this thread in awhile but if you can scroll back to my posts, I didn't think about trying an offensive till next year. I think they have squandered a lot of troops and equipment. I would have dug in till next year.

I hadn't thought about the interdiction of supply with missiles and drones but I don't think they are going to be able to hold onto those gains for very long.

Well we will see :shucks:With the western aid they saved a lot of lives they did not squandere it because it is not used like the NATO doctrine would have after two weeks they used/created their own doctrine on this moment Ukraine destroys more equipment than Russian can produce or bring to the fronts Russia is shaping for an offensive for at least two weeks without any result yeah people die by the hundreds per day on both sides. The result we want is not possible if we give not the needed equipment what Ukraine does with what they got no other country has pulled off against Russia this is the win Russia can not and will not get what they want that is the whole point that Russia plans fail.

Dargo

10-06-23, 05:07 PM

Otto Harkaman

10-06-23, 05:12 PM

You probably did not get the memo, but the Bakhmut salient is a trap.

Like the battle for Verdun in WWI ?

Dargo

10-06-23, 05:21 PM

Like the battle for Verdun in WWI ?No, to keep a lot of Russian forces in that salient the Robotyne salient is more like WW!

Dargo

10-06-23, 05:25 PM

Rheinmetall books major order for 155mm artillery ammunition to Ukraine
Rheinmetall has booked a major order for 155mm artillery ammunition. This is reported (https://www.rheinmetall.com/de/media/news-watch/news/2023/10/2023-10-06-abruf-ausrahmenvertrag-ueber-155mm-artilleriemunition) on the company’s website.

The framework agreement provides for the transfer to Ukraine of tens of thousands of L15 rounds as well as conventional 155mm Assegai shells for the German military. The value of the contract has not been disclosed, but it is said to be in the lower three-digit million-euro range. Delivery is scheduled to take place in 2024. This agreement is an addition to the contract signed in 2023 to supply hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to the ground forces, both to replace those transferred to Ukraine and to increase the overall reserve.

In addition to shells, the company will supply fuses and propelling charges. The recently concluded framework agreement for 155mm artillery ammunition runs until 2029 and represents a gross potential order volume of around €1.2 billion. Moreover, it is noted that the contract for training ammunition was signed immediately after the contract for combat ammunition. The company offers a wide range of artillery shells, both of its own design and jointly developed with the South African company Denel. https://mil.in.ua/en/news/rheinmetall-books-major-order-for-155mm-artillery-ammunition-to-ukraine/

Jimbuna

10-07-23, 05:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRaFDf4oDUE

Jimbuna

10-07-23, 05:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP8V30O_oJs

Exocet25fr

10-07-23, 06:57 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePTcQIGbifo

Jimbuna

10-07-23, 08:32 AM

Funny how the Orc supporters don't come out of hiding after atrocities are carried out against unarmed civilians but even then to rely on the most influential and reliable source....The Hindustan Times :haha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkZaRHSDngU

Jimbuna

10-07-23, 08:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O9xyNXJODk&t=11s

mapuc

10-07-23, 10:51 AM

The leaders here in the west must be shocked-Our weapon industry can't catch up the demands from Ukraine.

As it was said in the news, some days ago-It has taken the expert by surprise in the amount of material, ammo and soldiers being used and destroyed

Someone mentioned it earlier, that our factories hasn't been turned into war production.

Markus

Skybird

10-07-23, 11:32 AM

The value of the contract has not been disclosed, but it is said to be in the lower three-digit million-euro range.

Lets take a price shield of 3 thosuzsand per round, and a volume of 300 million (lower three digit million range) one million. Thats 100,000 rounds then. For simple exploive rounds, that is, smart ammintion and special amunition can cost 15-20 thousand, and more

It was said in past phases of the war Ukriane and Russia fire up to 10-12 thousand per day.

Der Spiegel reported earlier this year that the Bundeswehr has just 20,000 rounds of this calibre in its aresenals. A small orde rhas been palced.

Just not too big one.

The EU boasted earlier this year it wants to send ammunition worth 2 billion. Originally until the end of this year. But the production capacities are not there. It takes time to change that. At least the German government has plaed only low volume orders so far, very hesitent to adress this isse. But it spends EASILY two digit billions for socialist pet policies and green economic destruction programs worth 30, 50, 70 bn. And not just once, but repeatedly. All on tic.

Jimbuna

10-07-23, 12:11 PM

Fingers and everything else crossed.

Putin’s birthday 'could be last' as tyrant 'considers going out with a bang like Hitler'

Experts have agreed Vladimir Putin is considering “going out with a bang like Hitler”, rather than face the humiliation of a coup by his own people amid fears he has celebrated his last birthday.

The Kremlin has been awash with infighting and disagreements since the warlord ordered his troops to invade their peaceful neighbours Ukraine last year. Few of his generals truly understand why their men were ordered into the country, at the cost of around half a million Russians lives.

Earlier this year Putin feared the end was nigh when troops from the Wagner Group aimed their sights at Moscow before a potential coup was called off. Now an expert says should dissidents decide to take out the President, he would take his own life like Adolf Hitler in 1945 - rather than face the humiliation of being stripped of his power.

Professor Anthony Glees told the Sun : “He may be looking at the golden pistol on his desk thinking, yep, time's up. If he is sufficiently terrified, yes he could reach for that gun. That would be the answer and the new dawn would come up upon us.

“The only way the scourge of Putin will be taken from us, and in particular from the awful suffering of the people of Ukraine, is if he is killed and the second best would be a coup that would overthrow him.”

He added he believes the evil dictator has celebrated his last birthday - when he turned 71 on October 7. For months Putin has been dogged by rumours he has been subtly replaced by a double amid the belief he has already secretly died.
Earlier this year Ukraine’s military intelligence chief alleged the “real” Vladimir Putin has not been seen in public for more than a year. Major-General Kyrylo Budanov has doubled down on earlier claims one or more doppelgängers are used in place of Putin.

Budanov said he does not know if Putin is still alive. In an extraordinary interview, Budanov - who spearheads drone strikes and undercover operations against Russia - alleged about Putin: “The one, who everyone used to know, was last seen around 26 June 2022.”

Ukraine’s military intelligence chief has alleged the “real” Vladimir Putin has not been seen in public for more than a year.

Major-General Kyrylo Budanov has doubled down on earlier claims that one or more doppelgängers are used in place of Putin. Budanov said he does not know if Putin is still alive. In an extraordinary interview, Budanov - who spearheads drone strikes and undercover operations against Russia - alleged about Putin: “The one, who everyone used to know, was last seen around 26 June 2022.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-s-birthday-could-be-last-as-tyrant-considers-going-out-with-a-bang-like-hitler/ar-AA1hQlNi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=57bacff3efe24cf4a0d5bb04218c359b&ei=14

Jimbuna

10-07-23, 12:17 PM

President Joe Biden has vowed continued US support for Ukraine, after further military funding was excluded from a last-minute congressional budget deal.

The temporary measure, pushed through to avert a government shutdown, did not include $6bn (£4.92bn) in military aid for Kyiv - a top White House priority.

Hardline Republicans oppose further military aid, with many openly opposing Mr Biden's approach to the war.

But on Sunday Mr Biden said Ukraine could "count on" US support.

"We cannot, under any circumstances, allow US support to Ukraine to be interrupted," Mr Biden said.

"I can reassure [Ukraine] we'll get there, that we're going to get it done," he said on restoring funding for the war. "I want to assure our American allies... that you can count on our support, we will not walk away."

The US has already supplied some $46bn (£37bn) in military aid to Ukraine since Russian launched its full scale invasion in February 2022.

President Biden has requested another $24bn (£19bn).

And in recent months the US has sent state of the art equipment to Kyiv - including long-range missiles and Abrams tanks. It comes as Kyiv's forces continue to launch a slow moving counter-offensive in the south of the country.

Skybird

10-07-23, 02:32 PM

Fingers and everything else crossed.
How often have we heard now his end is imminent? And that the Kremlin is about to turn things upside down?

And how oftten was this foolish implication made that with the successor of Putin things will turn for the better? Those standing in line behind him are all even more brutal. Chances are things will get worse.

Catfish

10-07-23, 03:13 PM

[...]
Der Spiegel reported earlier this year that the Bundeswehr has just 20,000 rounds of this calibre in its arsenals. A small order has been palced.
Just not too big one. [...]
I wonder what Scholz means when he talks about "not wanting to escalate things", thus not sending TAURUS to Ukraine.
Putin dictates the escalation, what else does Scholz need?

Conspiracies, well. Thinking of Merkel deconstructing the defence forces and kissing Putin's a$$, and now Scholz. One has to be blind not to see what is going on.

mapuc

10-07-23, 03:15 PM

Despite the talk about war fatigue the support for Ukraine remain strong-Says an article in a Danish newspaper.

Poland is still the strongest supporters to Ukraine.

In US it is only the far right in the political arena that is against help to Ukraine.
(They didn't mentioned anything on the far left)

Markus

Skybird

10-08-23, 02:15 AM

Poland has handed over "sensitive documents" to Germany that seem to strongly indicate a false flag operation behind the attack on the nordstream 2 pipelines. The German government remains absolutely tight-lipped.

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 05:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1sucKVWhCA

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 05:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1C7u0Y6IWM

mapuc

10-08-23, 12:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8IadgB3LVI&ab_channel=TimesRadio

Markus

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 01:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRz3Up8oAvo

mapuc

10-08-23, 05:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGIDBQq0Uhk&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 06:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roS-BTGDUjU

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 06:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwiziwUjg0

mapuc

10-09-23, 08:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwPJ3urqDsM&ab_channel=UkraineMatters

Markus

Dargo

10-09-23, 12:24 PM

Ukraine's Counteroffensive - Breach, not Breakthrough: Minefields, tactics and emerging lessons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjf_vAkaBS8

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 12:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBbznSM2KrQ

mapuc

10-09-23, 05:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrEYG9gWs7Q&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 05:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ5Y-fhA-gA

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 05:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZIlJSvoyeg

mapuc

10-10-23, 03:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWS9p5NTiAs&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Skybird

10-11-23, 04:38 AM

After a disturbance of the "Balticonnector" gas pipeline between Finland and Estonia, there are increasing indications that the pipeline may have been sabotaged.

The Independent Seismological Institute of Norway (NORSAR) said on its website that they had detected "a suspected explosion off the Baltic coast of Finland on Sunday night (00:20 CEST)." Finnish President Sauli Niinistö had earlier stated that damage to the pipeline was almost certainly caused by "external action."

If Russia, this too, like NS2 if it was Russia, would represent acts of war against NATO countries.

Anyone still remember just a few years ago when Russian vessel systatically followed the layout of pipelines in the Baltic, North Sea and Atlantic, obvioulsy tracking and mapping them?

Jimbuna

10-11-23, 04:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQCF-Jy2f64

Jimbuna

10-11-23, 04:44 AM

Russia has missed out on a bid to return to the UN’s top human rights body, with Albania and Bulgaria winning more votes at the general assembly, Reuters reports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZxku2U_SxE

mapuc

10-11-23, 03:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAVOpDBE3zM&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-12-23, 04:56 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ77yIXnuzc

Jimbuna

10-12-23, 05:13 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMoPXxT3Eqk

Jimbuna

10-12-23, 01:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqUSj3uWf00

mapuc

10-12-23, 04:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wKvFQLssU&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 05:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i04ui6eAGv8

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 06:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f1xGy-DKLw

Dargo

10-13-23, 10:59 AM

Avdiivka is one of Ukraine's main positions in the east. The city has been on the front lines since 2014, with the border with the self-proclaimed "People's Republic of Donetsk" on its eastern side. As early as the summer of 2022, Russia has been trying to encircle the city from the north and south like pincers. Avdiivka lies largely in ruins; of its 35,000 inhabitants in 2014, almost no one is left. This is absolutely no ordinary attack, but really a major offensive, this is not new the way of fighting around this area and around this city already happened before was only overshadowed by the battle of Bakhmut. Because of its location Ukraine will not give up Avdiivka easily, by holding out Ukraine can do a lot of damage to the Russians. That does come at the expense of the Ukrainian counteroffensive, Ukraine will then have to move troops from the front elsewhere. Putin wants this and other cities in the area pleased to see he is so stupid to create another Stalingrad (again) for himself, one thing Russia is boss in is attrite itself. Avdiivka is high on the Russian wish list. Media reports now stress that the "liberation" of Avdiivka is the Russian military's "new grand mission" so that the slightly distant city of Donetsk will no longer suffer constant Ukrainian missile attacks.

mapuc

10-13-23, 11:24 AM

Dargo

10-13-23, 11:24 AM

Prime Minister Rutte met with President Zelensky today in the Ukrainian port city of Odesa. In their conversation, the prime minister pledged new military support to Ukraine. The Netherlands will send additional Patriot missiles and help provide patrol boats. Those ships should ensure that Ukrainian grain can safely cross the Black Sea. "At the same time, we are aware that winter is coming and Russia will try to hurt Ukraine as much as possible.

That is why we are sending additional missiles." The Netherlands will also supply drones, tank munitions and anti-mining equipment. "We will continue to support Ukraine, even if there are other crises at play, as there have been since last weekend in Israel." The Netherlands has so far sent 2 billion euros in military aid to Ukraine. Along with the new military equipment comes a new humanitarian aid package.

Dargo

10-13-23, 11:30 AM

^
Even if the Russian should lose 30-40.000 men and hundreds of vehicle in encircle and take Avdiivka they will see this as a victory-Soldiers life don't count-They are cannon fodder and even material doesn't count.

MarkusIt is not about losing personnel, they're losing more equipment than they can produce/refurbish that is going on for more than a month this attack will only worsen this no matter how much North Korea sends that is low quality and Russians fear to use it and that says something Russians do not care much about safety but do not like to use what North Korea sends. On some areas of the front, Ukraine has the upper hand in equipment it destroys more than Russia can replace.

sh3rules

10-13-23, 11:56 AM

Avdiivka is one of Ukraine's main positions in the east. The city has been on the front lines since 2014 [...]

So I'm guessing that after all those years the city's defenses must be almost impenetrable. If Russia pays the same price that they paid at Bakhmut it's going to be a grim 2023 for the Russian army.

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 12:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ngGMwLy4CE

Dargo

10-13-23, 12:08 PM

So I'm guessing that after all those years the city's defenses must be almost impenetrable. If Russia pays the same price that they paid at Bakhmut it's going to be a grim 2023 for the Russian army.Without Prigozhin Russia lost the one who could take Bakmut there is nobody left to sacrifice that could do this yes it will cost the Russians much this winter Russia has built a good defence line you expect deep defence by them, but I do not see them do that no rather stupid counterattacks with high loses to retake every meter some say oh they have enough, but that is not true they destroy their own reserves that is key for coming offensives.

West think tanks spent years foaming about "Gerasimov doctrine”. At Avdiivka we showed it’s just untrained conscripts doing same human wave attacks that put Russia on the loser's side of WW1. https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1712856792017859014

mapuc

10-13-23, 12:23 PM

Without Prigozhin Russia lost the one who could take Bakmut there is nobody left to sacrifice that could do this yes it will cost the Russians much this winter Russia has built a good defence line you expect deep defence by them, but I do not see them do that no rather stupid counterattacks with high loses to retake every meter some say oh they have enough, but that is not true they destroy their own reserves that is key for coming offensives.

What about his reserves ?
Can't he call in hundred of thousands of personnel to the war ?

Markus

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 12:28 PM

That would take general mobilisation, the one thing he fears most because of the unpopularity it would bring in the general population.

Dargo

10-13-23, 12:37 PM

What about his reserves ?
Can't he call in hundred of thousands of personnel to the war ?

MarkusOf this mobilisation the conscripts can not fight in Ukraine because ... it is not war they have to sign a contract to go to Ukraine and of all those conscripts going not all go to the fronts personnel is also needed behind the fronts, so those numbers maybe seems high, but they are not Russia has after a year or so still about the same in Ukraine (300K)

I've seen a lot of **** these last 18 months.

But the sheer stupidity of RU actions in Avdiivka, Pisky area is astounding.

I've never seen such lack of disregard for soldiers. Running straight line human waves. Bodies stacked ontop of each other in fields, armor running over the deceased to get through.

The RU losses have to be extremely high. As in the thousands already and only from 3-4 days of fighting. And it's not just mobiks, it's vdv, dpr, & contract units. Just being thrown to slaughter in hopes Ukrainian positions run out of ammunition. https://twitter.com/IhateTrenches/status/1712764030249513333

^^For this cluster munition is the right ammo, Ukraine has enough of that. It is again Kyiv in 3 days, Day 3, Avdiivka

mapuc

10-13-23, 01:17 PM

mapuc

10-13-23, 01:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JULxQVEhcLc&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Dargo

10-13-23, 01:52 PM

Dargo wrote:
"Running straight line human waves. Bodies stacked ontop of each other in fields, armor running over the deceased to get through."

Does the warfare who was fought during the American civil war ring a bell ?

MarkusThis is from an Iraq/Afghanistan Vet currently fighting in Ukraine Company Commander 59th Motorized Brigade Ukrainian Armed Forces think he knows his history. :03: see the Russian losses same as with bakhmut same as the trend with armour loses is doubled after 3 days Russia does not attack with armour only meat waves.

"Who can help to buy body bags? They're really needed. I don't know where the hell to get them. There is a terrible shortage of [body bags] in Donetsk," – Russian volunteer Natalia Khim asks.

Russia is attacking Avdiivka, the situation is complicated. For Russia as well. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1712867881417892290

Jimbuna

10-14-23, 06:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy1tbkqf3f0

Jimbuna

10-14-23, 06:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjqmUZaF5JU

mapuc

10-14-23, 04:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt5Re1XRydc&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

em2nought

10-15-23, 01:44 AM

Sometimes I think the worldwide plan is for all the "white" peoples to kill themselves off so others can become the new masters of their domain. :hmmm:

Skybird

10-15-23, 01:52 AM

Dargo wrote:
"Running straight line human waves. Bodies stacked ontop of each other in fields, armor running over the deceased to get through."

Does the warfare who was fought during the American civil war ring a bell ?

MarkusDifferent weapons, dufferent comms, necessarily different operational doctrine and tactics.

Exocet25fr

10-15-23, 04:07 AM

mapuc

10-15-23, 06:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN4LGiyv06Q&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

Jimbuna

10-15-23, 06:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gil7i1Aj3t4

Jimbuna

10-15-23, 06:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGmLb3ZZ7ro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6CUTG2k3rk

Dargo

10-15-23, 07:38 AM

Putin says Russian forces improving positions along front line in Ukraine!

While Ukraine took back territory taken by Russia last year, the Ukrainian army has struggled to penetrate Russian lines which have been bolstered with mine fields and thousands of extra Russian troops.

"As for the counteroffensive, which is allegedly stalling, it has failed completely," Putin said in video remarks posted to social media by a Kremlin journalist Pavel Zarubin.

"The opposing side is preparing new active offensive operations. We see it and we know it," Putin said when asked about the battle for the eastern Ukrainian town of Avdiivka.

Both Russia and the United States have described the upsurge of fighting around Avdiivka as a new Russian offensive.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russian-forces-improving-positions-along-front-line-ukraine-2023-10-15/Dictators see what they want to see there are no people around them to contradict that view because of fear for Putin. The fact that dictators think they are the only ones to rule is proof in itself Putin has made that clear days before the invasion and forced his "partners" to publicly agree to his views and coming action all with great fear in their eyes even some stuttering on state TV that day they realized this is the end, and we can not do a thing to stop him.

Jimbuna

10-15-23, 08:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXrRo02dn40

Dargo

10-15-23, 08:30 AM

Ukrainian commander Dmytro Lysyuk says Russia's large-scale tactics "do not work" This is a reference to Russia's repeated armoured attacks this week on the town of Avdiivka where Russian forces have suffered heavy losses, and describes the failed Russian attacks as a "small victory." there will be "no quick victory" but Ukrainian forces will keep advancing over winter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU6X99mk1ZU

Dargo

10-15-23, 09:23 AM

Why Putin had to go begging North Korea for ammunition for its artillery, key part of the Russian doctrine of war.

https://i.postimg.cc/ydvDT1ws/Artilleryammo.jpg
Source: UA War Infographics (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=UA+War+Infographics).

mapuc

10-15-23, 09:38 AM

Dargo

10-15-23, 10:05 AM

^
Read in a Danish newspaper, that it had it's reason to why Russia used lesser ammo-It had something to do with the fact they save it to the coming winter where it would be used against civilian targets-Here I'm talking about electricity and fresh water supply. Even grain siloes would be target.

MarkusThat are the missiles not the artillery shells, those gone from ten thousands daily to a couple of thousands of shot artillery shells.

mapuc

10-15-23, 10:18 AM

That are the missiles not the artillery shells, those gone from ten thousands daily to a couple of thousands of shot artillery shells.

You're right it was missiles. I seem to recall even Shells was mentioned in this article.

Looks like I had remembered wrong

Markus

Skybird

10-15-23, 10:27 AM

[moved to Hamas-Israel- thread, Skybird]

mapuc

10-15-23, 11:20 AM

Friends do not derail this thread into the Hamas-Israel war-We have a thread for this.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-15-23, 01:00 PM

The government has asked the Bank of England to look at options for using Russian sovereign assets to fund Ukraine's war effort, Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has told the BBC.

Mr Hunt said finance ministers around the world had discussed what more they could do, beyond sanctions, to disrupt Russia's ability to pay for the war.

"This is an illegal war," Mr Hunt said.

"We need to do everything we can to make sure that Russia cannot continue to fund it."

Speaking at the IMF's annual conference in Marrakech, Mr Hunt told the BBC that finance ministers from some of the world's largest economies - the G7 - had discussed "whether Russian sovereign assets could be used to fund Ukraine's defence".

"Anything to make sure that Putin knows in the end he won't be able to afford this kind of aggression," he said.

On Thursday, the G7 said it would explore how to tax profits on seized Russian assets to support Ukraine "in compliance with applicable laws".

In September, US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and Mr Hunt signalled support for a European Union plan for a windfall tax on profits generated by frozen Russian assets.

Earlier in the year, the US had looked at using the assets themselves to help pay for Ukraine's defence, but decided that it would not be legal to do so.

mapuc

10-15-23, 01:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn6zub6U7pU&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-16-23, 05:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c-Egu5Xwvw

Jimbuna

10-16-23, 05:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_CNhVFeQdk

Skybird

10-16-23, 07:21 AM

Friends do not derail this thread into the Hamas-Israel war-We have a thread for this.

Markus
Completely my own fault, I mistook the one thread for the other. Moved, deleted.

mapuc

10-16-23, 04:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shagYUf25mM&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-17-23, 05:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpOZLBlC1cg

Jimbuna

10-17-23, 05:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNVbTTFX5k8

Exocet25fr

10-17-23, 09:25 AM

Russia will revoke ratification of nuclear test ban treaty, envoy says!

US condemns announcement by Mikhail Ulyanov, saying it ‘needlessly endangers the global norm’ against nuclear testing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/06/nuclear-watchdog-russia-putin-testing-treaty

Aktungbby

10-17-23, 11:39 AM

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3xw3x/new-research-vindicates-1972-mit-prediction-that-society-will-collapse-soonScientists in the 1970s at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) created a method to determine when the fall of society would take place.

That method indicated the fall will be some point near the middle in the 21st century around 2040, and so far, their projections have been on track, new analysis suggests.

In 1972, a team of researchers studied the risks of a doomsday scenario, examining limited availability of natural resources and the rising costs that would subvert the expectation of economic growth in the second decade of the 21st century. Using a system dynamics model that was published by the Club of Rome — a Swiss-based global think tank that includes current and former heads of state, United Nations bureaucrats, government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists and business leaders — the scientists were able to identify the upcoming limits to growth (LtG) to forecast of potential “global ecological and economic collapse coming up in the middle of the 21st Century,” The Guardian reported.

The Earth, according to LtG, has been terraformed beyond repair by greenhouse gases from fossil fuels, making the next generation to endure the “heavy legacy,” a scarcity of mineral resources and a planet characterized by radioactive and heavy metal pollution.

In the ’70s, the study was considered controversial and sparked debate, with some pundits misrepresenting the findings and methods, according to Vice.

However, Gaya Herrington, Director Advisory, Internal Audit & Enterprise Risk at major accounting firm KPMG, updated the LtG model in a published finding in the Yale Journal of Ecology in November 2020.

In Herrinton’s estimates, the world’s population, industrial output, food and resources will rapidly decline. The 2100s will be comparable to the 1900s, according to Vice. However, Herrington is treating her research as a personal project as a precaution to see how well the MIT model holds up.

Herrington’s study concluded that society has about another decade to change courses and avoid collapse by investing in sustainable technologies and equitable human development. We're right on schedule...ca:2040 :Kaleun_Los::Kaleun_Party::/\\chop:dead: Fortunately I https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/curious-squirrel-astronaut-exploring-space-cosmic-suit-generative-ai-272973305.jpg?w=768will be beaming up to the mothership shortly https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5HopDJVcKu9P4Qkwi74jCU-650-80.jpg.webp:shucks:

Jimbuna

10-17-23, 01:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQS7Xxx5Z-Q

Dargo

10-17-23, 02:20 PM

US secretly supplied Ukraine with ATACMS it used to strike air bases
Ukrainian forces used long-range ATACMS missiles for strikes on two air bases in the occupied cities of Berdiansk and Luhansk on the night of 16-17 October.
Source: The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-fires-atacms-missile-at-russian-forces-for-the-first-time-3bebcdb1?ns=prod/accounts-wsj) and Politico (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/17/ukraine-uses-secretly-shipped-u-s-missiles-to-launch-surprise-strike-00121932), citing "informed sources", as reported by European Pravda

According to the WSJ, over the last few days the US has secretly sent "a small number of missiles" to Ukraine. The sources do not disclose other details, but the modification of the ATACMS received by Ukraine was said to have a range of about 160 km.

Later, the media platform Noelreports posted a photo of missile wreckage on Twitter (X) that indicates that it was probably the MGM-140A ATACMS Block I, M39(A1?) type. https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1714287721651523970

Earlier on 17 October, Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces confirmed the strike on air bases in the temporarily occupied cities of Berdiansk and Luhansk, which caused the destruction of nine Russian helicopters with different modifications, an air defence launcher and an ammunition storage point... https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/10/17/7424525/

https://i.postimg.cc/V6tF2TK6/atacms.jpg

mapuc

10-17-23, 04:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9xl4XyhkTM&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Skybird

10-17-23, 05:03 PM

Does anyone know how big the destruction radius of one such missile is? I mean on an airbase fighters and helcioters would not be parked close side by side, but on launching pads and hangars siomnetimes dozens if not hundreds of meters part. I'm just curious, how many of these precious and rare missile did it take them to destroy nine helicopters, a SAM launcher and an ammo depot? 11 missiles? Or more to saturate defences?

mapuc

10-17-23, 05:47 PM

I think 2-3 of these ATACMS would be enough if they are hitting the right spot at the airfield.
From Lockheed's homepage
Carries a WDU18, 500-lb class blast fragmentation warhead

Markus

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 05:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wnBJZb6zz4

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 05:43 AM

Ukraine has used US-supplied long-range missiles for the first time, President Volodymyr Zelensky has said.

His comments follow reports the weapons, known as ATACMS, destroyed nine helicopters at Russian bases in the east of the country. Ukraine has not confirmed the missiles were used.

Ukraine said an air defence system and other equipment were among the targets hit in Berdyansk and Luhansk.

Dozens of Russian troops were killed or injured in the operation, it added.

"They have performed very accurately. ATACMS have proven themselves," Mr Zelensky said in an evening address posted on social media, without giving details of when or where they were used.

Russia's military has not commented.

The Biden administration had previously refused to provide ATACMS to Ukraine, but had decided "in recent weeks" to send them quietly, US media outlet CNN reported, quoting two US officials.

It said that Washington wanted to take Moscow by surprise, in case Russia moved equipment and weapons out of reach before the projectiles could be used.

Because of concerns about tensions with Russia, the missiles provided to Ukraine have a lower range than the maximum the system is capable of, according to the Associated Press.

The variant delivered to Kyiv carries cluster munitions which release hundreds of small bombs from the air rather than a single warhead, AP reported.

Cluster munitions are controversial and are banned by more than 100 states due to their threat to civilians.

Vladimir Rogov, the Russian-appointed governor of the occupied part of Zaporizhzhia region, said air defence systems "successfully intercepted enemy rockets" over Berdyansk, adding that information about casualties and damage was being checked and would be provided later.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67135163

Exocet25fr

10-18-23, 07:49 AM

Kyiv taken by surprise after Russian offensive on Avdiivka!

The move took Ukraine and its Western allies by surprise. While Russia's military was thought to be on the back foot all along the 745-mile front line, it has for several days been carrying out a major counter-attack on Avdiivka.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/10/18/war-in-ukraine-kyiv-taken-by-surprise-after-russian-offensive-on-avdiivka_6184305_4.html

Putin Says US Wading Deeper Into Ukraine War, Calls Missile Supplies a 'Mistake'!

The Kremlin chief said Washington's decision to supply the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS), whose use Kyiv confirmed on Tuesday, "just prolongs the agony" for Ukraine.
"Firstly, this of course causes harm and creates an additional threat. Secondly, we will of course be able to repel these attacks. War is war," Putin said.

"But most importantly, it fundamentally lacks the capacity to change the situation on the line of contact at all ... This is another mistake by the United States."

Ukraine had repeatedly asked Washington for ATACMS to help it attack and disrupt supply lines, air bases and rail networks in Russian-occupied territory."A mistake of a larger scale, as yet invisible but still of great importance, is that the United States is becoming more and more personally drawn into this conflict. And let no one say that they have nothing to do with this. We believe they do," Putin said.

He noted that the United States had sent two aircraft carrier groups to the Mediterranean in response to the explosion of violence between Israel and the Palestinians, and said he had ordered Russian planes with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles to patrol over the Black Sea.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-10-18/putin-says-atacms-supplies-to-ukraine-a-mistake-that-wont-affect-front

Dargo

10-18-23, 11:03 AM

Kyiv taken by surprise after Russian offensive on Avdiivka!

[SNIP]LOL surprised? Russia has lost five times more military equipment than Ukraine in its week-long assault on Avdiivka, Russia’s army has “run out of breath” this is all they got the most significant offensive operation since January with only result heavy equipment and personnel losses. Avdiivka is a heavily fortified city defended by 10,000 Ukrainian troops who threaten logistical lines in the Russian-controlled Donetsk region this is a trap and Russia walked into it

mapuc

10-18-23, 11:12 AM

LOL surprised? Russia has lost five times more military equipment than Ukraine in its week-long assault on Avdiivka, Russia’s army has “run out of breath” this is all they got the most significant offensive operation since January with only result heavy equipment and personnel losses. Avdiivka is a heavily fortified city defended by 10,000 Ukrainian troops who threaten logistical lines in the Russian-controlled Donetsk region this is a trap and Russia walked into it

From what I have read-The Ukrainian knew they would try to take these areas. So Ukraine send disinformation to lure the Russian who toke the bait and walked right into the trap.

Can have remembered wrong though.

Markus

Skybird

10-18-23, 11:19 AM

Cluster ammo warhead on those ATACMS, that answers my question. I thought they were conventional warheads. Range limit 160km. Well.

I often wonder whether the West really wants a Ukrainian victory and a Russian defeat. Bubble Olaf does not send Taurus and gave one explicit reason: these could be used to attack and brign down the Kerck bridge. Think of it. This carricature of a German chancellor obviously does not want Russian supply lines interdicted.

mapuc

10-18-23, 11:25 AM

Dargo

10-18-23, 11:58 AM

U.S. had supplied Kyiv with about 20 ATACMS missiles in cluster munition modifications, each carrying 950 small bombs on images those used are from 1996.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS
M39 (ATACMS Block I) missile with inertial guidance. It carries 950 M74 anti-personnel and anti‑materiel bomblets. Range: 25–165 kilometres (16–103 mi). There were 1,650 produced between 1990 and 1997, when production ceased in favor of the M39A1. During Operation Desert Storm, 32 were fired at Iraqi targets, and during Operation Iraqi Freedom a further 379 were fired.[37][38] The remaining ones were being updated to M57E1 missiles.[39][40] The M39 is the only variant that can be fired by all M270 and M142 launcher variants.

M39A1 (ATACMS Block IA) missile with GPS-aided guidance. It carries 300 M74 bomblets. Range: 20–300 kilometres (12–186 mi). There were 610 produced between 1997 and 2003. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, 74 were fired at Iraqi targets.[37][38] The remaining ones are being updated to M57E1 missiles.[39][40] The M39A1 and later variants can only be used with the M270A1 (or variants thereof) and M142 launchers.

No World War III, after all the red lines crossedWhy supply ATACMS? Let (the US) take back ATACMS and all other weapons. Let (Biden) sit down for pancakes and come to us for a tea party, Putin told reporters in Beijing. Yeah sure we gone drink tea, LOL

mapuc

10-18-23, 12:11 PM

So far they have fired 11 of these ATACMS according to a status on X.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 12:17 PM

European delegates staged a walkout at an international cooperation forum hosted by China – as Vladimir Putin was set to begin speaking.

The Russian president arrived in China as a guest at Beijing’s third installment of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – Beijing’s multibillion-dollar infrastructure project aimed at increasing the country’s global standing by connecting China to other parts of the world through road, train, and port project investments.

Chinese president Xi Jinping opened the ceremony in the presence of several world leaders and more than 1,000 delegates at the Great Hall of the People, west of Tiananmen Square, and shared the stage with Mr Putin who made the rare trip outside Russia despite his nation’s .

But he was boycotted by some European delegates, including former French prime minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin, underscoring the growing geopolitical divide in Europe and the West.

Videos from the event showed Mr Raffarin and other delegates walking out from the halls as Mr Putin was set to deliver his remarks after Mr Xi.

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 12:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c841_9GLL9U

Dargo

10-18-23, 12:31 PM

The Battle of Avdiivka, the Russian attack's northern axis near Krasnohorivka.

At least 63 armored vehicles and weapon pieces were visually confirmed by DeepState as lost by Russia without any tangible results.

This is clearly the Vuhledar scale of disaster. And Russia concentrated a very large grouping on both axes in a bid to finally isolate the city in a death trap. It has not happened, with Russia's force accumulated at such a high price largely exhausted.

Despite a ton of bravado in Z-channels on Telegram, hostilities in the sector are steadily dying down.

The war continues, and this episode is a Ukrainian success. https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1714672324941611514

https://i.postimg.cc/ryrttFMR/Avdiivka.jpg

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 12:39 PM

Bad news for Russia: Putin's 'blackmail' didn't work

As winter approaches, Europe is in a far better position compared to last year, thanks to nearly full underground gas storage facilities. The European Union and Poland have both reported record levels of gas reserves, effectively countering Russia's attempts to manipulate the energy market.

According to the newsoutlet aa.com.tr, as of October 16th, European underground gas stores were filled to 97.95 percent of their capacity, amounting to over 3.71 trillion cubic feet of gas. This is a significant improvement over last year when the EU faced a gas shortage due to prolonged maintenance work in Norway.

Gas Storage Poland, the company overseeing the country's national storage facilities, reported that their reserves are 99 percent full. The company regularly updates the filling levels on its website, indicating a strong preparedness for the winter months.

Data from the Gas Infrastructure Europe association reveals that the current storage levels are unprecedented. Even last year, PMG warehouses were only 95.6 percent full by mid-November, holding 3.56 trillion cubic feet of gas.

The EU has not only resumed imports from Norway but has also announced plans to construct new storage facilities. Additionally, EU member countries are increasingly utilizing Ukrainian storage facilities, which can hold over 1.06 trillion cubic feet of gas.

In the years leading up to its invasion of Ukraine, Russia supplied the EU with an average of 4.9 trillion cubic feet of gas annually. However, Gazprom had been manipulating supplies and prices even before the conflict. After the invasion, the company broke contracts with EU recipients who disagreed with unilaterally changed conditions.

By achieving near-full gas reserves, Europe has effectively neutralized Russia's attempts to wield influence through energy supplies. This marks a significant shift in the geopolitical landscape, as Europe takes steps to ensure its energy security.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bad-news-for-russia-putin-s-blackmail-didn-t-work/ar-AA1ir4VO?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=7faf99ca7a90469da1e80e5144b10ea5&ei=11

Dargo

10-18-23, 12:44 PM

European natural gas futures surged over 5% to above €51 (same as in Augustus 2021) per megawatt-hour, mainly driven by persistent concerns about gas supply due to the Israel-Palestine conflict, overshadowing milder weather forecasts and high gas inventories. Israel has shut down a major gas field due to safety concerns amid ongoing conflicts, which could affect liquefied natural gas exports from Egypt. On a positive note, temperatures in parts of Europe, including France and Germany, are expected to return to normal or even rise above average in the coming days after a period of unseasonably cold weather. Meanwhile, an Australian union alliance approved pay and condition agreements for Chevron's two LNG facilities in Australia, resolving a stand-off that had workers considering renewed strikes. https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

Dargo

10-18-23, 12:51 PM

ATACMS Day! 2023-10-17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=030tbiQbJko

Jimbuna

10-19-23, 04:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU7eXZsgDjo

Dargo

10-19-23, 12:23 PM

The Assault Failed, Everyone Was Killed
In a phone call to his wife, a Russian soldier also says he has so little food and water that he doesn’t have the strength the wear his bulletproof vest.

A Russian soldier has been overheard in a phone call to his wife describing the hellish conditions he and his unit are facing on the front lines, describing horrific losses in failed assaults on Ukrainian positions and a crippling lack of basic supplies.

In the intercepted call published by Ukraine's Military Intelligence Directorate (HUR), the man describes losing 100 men “in a few days.”

"The assault failed. Everything is in the s**t, everyone was killed," he says.

The soldier’s location is not disclosed but Russia has been suffering extremely heavy losses in its so far failed attempts to take the town of Avdiivka.

The Russian military in fighting around Avdiivka likely suffered its worst combat losses since mid-February, and by some measures suffered one of Moscow’s worst battlefield defeats of the war thus far.

“Everything that we occupied, they (Ukrainians) have already recaptured," the soldier says.

He then goes on to complain that the Russian military command hasn’t delivered food or water to its troops in weeks... https://www.kyivpost.com/post/22970

Jimbuna

10-19-23, 12:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w952CCyU4QY

Jimbuna

10-19-23, 01:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTzjfMIdp9g

Jimbuna

10-20-23, 05:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ElW-1jAM0

Jimbuna

10-20-23, 06:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKLCLb3CdaA

mapuc

10-20-23, 08:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3A1J0yi4s&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Dargo

10-20-23, 11:06 AM

Amir Weitmann, head of Israel's ruling Likud Party, promises revenge on Russia for insufficient support of Israel in an unhinged live RT interview. He stated, “we will do everything to make sure Ukraine wins!” "Russia will pay the price!" "Russia supports Nazis!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7eHvIAgsa8

Jimbuna

10-20-23, 12:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-Xj0Qmiq4

mapuc

10-20-23, 01:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PxMlJdwaTo&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

Dargo

10-20-23, 03:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PxMlJdwaTo&ab_channel=Military%26History

MarkusBoth sides cross the Dnipro daily that does not make it a bridgehead Ukraine does a lot of raids in this oblast no mayor attacks only raids with limited amount of personnel. Ukraine does not have armour or other heavy equipment on that side of the river, this is psyop's. Maybe they will eventually, they need a lot of equipment to cross, do not think Ukraine has that at the moment.

Jimbuna

10-21-23, 06:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvlSgd4WL9M

Jimbuna

10-21-23, 06:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwUYDJbFzQY

Skybird

10-21-23, 06:31 AM

https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/..._x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/Russland-bestimmt-wo-Ukraine-Kraefte-einsetzen-muss-article24468451.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)

The devastating thing about the situation is that Russia obviously has enough forces for these offensives in the East. Many had hoped that Ukraine's offensive in the central area would lead to the Russians using their last reserves in defense there. They actually moved mainly airborne units into the central area, but these were apparently enough to maintain the defense. Ukraine has not yet achieved a breakthrough, and the Russians were even able to provide additional forces for the offensive in Donetsk.

For example, if Ukraine had had long-range surface-to-surface missiles, such as the American Atacms, which are a recurring topic, then the Russian staging areas could have been targeted in depth before the offensive even started. But the Ukrainian troops couldn't do that because these long-range missiles have not yet been delivered.

Mind you, Ukriane got only a few ATACMS, and these with a reduced range only, 160km I think. NOT 300 km.

Jimbuna

10-21-23, 07:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfWmdiHeBVQ

Skybird

10-21-23, 09:38 AM

Mind you, Ukriane got only a few ATACMS, Two dozens, I read in a German news snippet. Estimates say that for the attack on the two airbases, around 5 missiles may have been used per base.

Thats not much left, to say the least. Whatever the Western agenda is, a Ukrainian victory and a Russian defeat for the smallest blood cost to Ukrainian people and smallest possibe damage to Ukrainian industry, economy and infrastructure is not at the top of it.

Dargo

10-21-23, 10:58 AM

Two dozens, I read in a German news snippet. Estimates say that for the attack on the two airbases, around 5 missiles may have been used per base.

Thats not much left, to say the least. Whatever the Western agenda is, a Ukrainian victory and a Russian defeat for the smallest blood cost to Ukrainian people and smallest possibe damage to Ukrainian industry, economy and infrastructure is not at the top of it.Every support get a few in the beginning to test the results same happened with HIMARS later on numbers will go up I saw mentioned that these missiles will get follow-up delivery they got the M39 (ATACMS Block I) and M39A1 (ATACMS Block IA) old stocks getting emptied also these missiles are not used any more. The Army converted the M39 and M39A1 (how much I do not know) Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) with anti-personnel and anti-materiel (APAM) bomblets to the M57 ATACMS 500-pound Unitary warhead using the same single warhead used in the Navy Harpoon missile.

mapuc

10-21-23, 11:45 AM

What is the definition on a Bridgehead ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9luXbznS-Dc&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

Dargo

10-21-23, 12:14 PM

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1715431586542260376
Recently, there has been some debate surrounding the extent of damage to Russian helicopters on Berdians'k and Luhansk airfields, sparked by @GeoConfirmed statement that at least 21 Russian helicopters were either destroyed or damaged. While their number slightly exceeds our team's public estimate, it's important to note that their estimate is based on solid grounds. The challenge arises from the limitations of commercially available imagery, which do not provide the resolution needed to detect hundreds of small scorch marks around helicopters in Berdiansk. In the case of Luhansk airport, it's much easier since you can clearly see it from our higher-resolution imagery purchased from Planet Labs.

https://i.postimg.cc/JzbSv2c1/Planet-Labs1.jpg

However, we can independently verify that multiple scorch marks from explosions are clearly visible around Mi-8 helicopters on imagery for non-commercial distribution. Unlike most Ka-52 helicopters, which were burned and destroyed, the Mi-8s likely didn't carry ammunition that would cause explosions. Consequently, the damage might not be easily visible from the satellite or visible at all.

We opted not to incorporate these helicopters into our report because, while we recognize the possibility of their damage, there are no publicly available means to definitively substantiate it. Nevertheless, it's worth noting that even based on images from the Russian Telegram channel (link included in the image description), one can observe multiple holes on the affected helicopter, suggesting that many helicopters sustained damage, even if they did not catch fire.

https://i.postimg.cc/vHRsKfFt/Planet-Labs2.jpg

It's also worth noting that these helicopters are not in flyable condition. To transport them, the Russians had to remove their rotor blades, a process typically done to prepare helicopters for ground transportation. This observation makes the claim of damage highly plausible, which is why GeoConfirmed likely included them and reached a total number of 21

Link to their investigation, which was also based on our materials: https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1715362047230128585

Jimbuna

10-21-23, 12:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR9NPECPrWs

Dargo

10-21-23, 12:19 PM

What is the definition on a Bridgehead ?

MarkusAn area of ground on the enemy's side of a river or other obstacle, especially one that needs to be taken and defended in order to secure an advance. A fortification around the end of a bridge. A strong position secured by an army inside enemy territory from which to advance or attack.

Jimbuna

10-21-23, 12:21 PM

US President Joe Biden has said world history is at "an inflection point" as he made the case for billions of dollars in wartime aid for Ukraine and Israel.

In a speech at the White House, he said Hamas and Russia both wanted to "annihilate a neighbouring democracy".

Mr Biden said he would send an urgent funding request - expected to be $105bn (£87bn) - to Congress on Friday.

But the House of Representatives has no leader and can't approve any spending.

Mr Biden's rare primetime address to the nation from the Oval Office on Thursday evening was just the second of his presidency.

It came a day after his whirlwind trip to Israel following the attacks by Hamas on 7 October.

Mr Biden said the emergency aid request would "pay dividends for American security for generations".

In his 15-minute address, he also condemned any acts of hatred against Jews or Muslims in the US, and condemned the fatal stabbing of six-year-old Palestinian-American Wadea al-Fayoume in Chicago this week.

"We must without equivocation denounce anti-Semitism," he said. "We must also without equivocation denounce Islamophobia."

The White House has not yet officially released details about the expected aid package.

But a source familiar with the request told the BBC's US partner CBS News it would include:

$60bn for Ukraine and replenishing US stockpiles
$14bn for Israel
$10bn for humanitarian efforts
$7bn for the Indo-Pacific region, including Taiwan
$14bn for US border security
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67164900

Dargo

10-21-23, 05:57 PM

Ukrainian and Russian forces clashed 68 times today – General Staff reportSaturday, 21 October 2023
Ukrainian forces clashed with Russian forces 68 times and repelled 10 Russian assaults on the Kupiansk, Lyman, Avdiivka and Marinka fronts on Saturday, 21 October.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, information as of 18:00 on 21 October

Details: Over the course of the day, Ukraine’s defence forces clashed with Russian forces 68 times. Russian forces carried out four missile strikes and 33 airstrikes and deployed multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS) 24 times to attack the positions of Ukrainian troops and civilian settlements.

There were no significant changes on the Volyn and Polissia fronts.

Russia continues to maintain its forces near the Ukrainian border on the Sivershchyna and Slobozhanshchyna fronts, shelling Ukrainian settlements from Russian territory, and is amassing mines and other defensive constructions along the Ukrainian border. Around 10 Ukrainian civilian settlements came under Russian fire, including Starykove and Bilopillia (Sumy Oblast) and Hatyshche and Budarky (Kharkiv Oblast).

On the Kupiansk front, Ukrainian forces repelled over 10 Russian assaults near Synkivka and Ivanivka (Kharkiv Oblast) and Nadiia (Luhansk Oblast). The Russians deployed mortars and artillery to attack around 10 settlements, including Dvorichna, Synkivka, Ivanivka, Kyslivka and Pishchane (Kharkiv Oblast).

On the Lyman front, Ukrainian forces repelled around 10 Russian assaults near Bilohorivka (Luhansk Oblast) and the Serebrianka forest and Spirne (Donetsk Oblast). Around 15 civilian settlements, including Nevske, Makiivka and Bilohorivka (Luhansk Oblast) and Torske, Verkhnokamianske and Spirne (Donetsk Oblast), came under Russian mortar and artillery fire.

On the Bakhmut front, Ukraine’s forces repelled all Russian assaults near Vasiukivka and Andriivka (Donetsk Oblast). Russian aircraft struck areas near Klishchiivka and New-York (Donetsk Oblast). Over 15 civilian settlements came under Russian mortar and artillery fire, including Ivanivske, Klishchiivka, Andriivka and Chasiv Yar (Donetsk Oblast).

Russian occupation forces carried out unsuccessful aircraft-supported offensive operations near Avdiivka, Keramik, Stepove, Tonenke and Pervomaiske (Donetsk Oblast) on the Avdiivka front, with Ukrainian forces repelling a total of around 15 Russian assaults. Russian aircraft struck areas in the vicinity of Novobakhmutivka and Novokalynove (Donetsk Oblast). Russian forces also deployed artillery and mortars to attack more than 15 civilian settlements, including Novokalynove, Stepove, Sieverne and Pervomaiske (Donetsk Oblast).

On the Marinka front, Ukraine’s Defence Forces successfully repelled more than 20 Russian assaults near Marinka, Krasnohorivka and Pobieda (Donetsk Oblast). Russian forces conducted an airstrike near Novomykhailivka (Donetsk Oblast). Around 10 settlements, including Krasnohorivka, Marinka, Pobieda and Novomykhailivka (Donetsk Oblast), came under Russian fire.

Ukraine’s forces repelled all Russian assaults in the vicinity of Prechystivka, Zolota Nyva and Staromaiorske (Donetsk Oblast) on the Shakhtarsk front. Russian aircraft targeted an area near Staromaiorske (Donetsk Oblast). Around 10 civilian settlements, including Vuhledar, Prechystivka, Zolota Nyva and Urozhaine (Donetsk Oblast) came under Russian artillery and mortar fire.

On the Zaporizhzhia front, Ukrainian forces repelled a Russian assault to the north of Pryiutne (Zaporizhzhia Oblast), while the Russians conducted airstrikes near Mala Tokmachka and Novodanylivka (Zaporizhzhia Oblast). Around 20 civilian settlements came under Russian artillery and mortar fire, including Poltavka, Malynivka, Chervone, Mala Tokmachka and Novodanylivka (Zaporizhzhia Oblast).

Russian aircraft struck areas in and around Burhunka, Mykolaivka, Tiahynka and Ivanivka (Kherson Oblast) on the Kherson front. Sadove, Stanislav and the city of Kherson (Kherson Oblast) also came under Russian fire.

Meanwhile, Ukraine’s Defence Forces are continuing to pursue the offensive on the Melitopol front and to carry out offensive operations on the Bakhmut front. They are inflicting personnel and equipment losses on the Russian forces and wearing them out all along the frontline.

Over the course of today, Ukrainian aircraft carried out 12 airstrikes on clusters of Russian military personnel, weapons and equipment.

Units of Ukrainian Rocket Forces and Artillery struck five Russian artillery systems, a radar system, an ammunition storage point, and two clusters of Russian military personnel, weapons and equipment. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/10/21/7425135/

On Andriivka; It has his hallmark touch of “do it again” and “I don’t care how much we’ve lost.” Removing Surovikin by Gerasimov is quite the gift to Ukraine by Putin

Dargo

10-21-23, 06:22 PM

Frontline report: Russians lost 1400 soldiers and 175 tanks and armored fighting vehicles in Avdiivka in one day
The renewed Russian offensive near Avdiivka unveils shocking statistics of massive losses, marking a major setback for Russian forces. Today, 21/10/2023, the biggest news comes from Avdiivka. Here, more information became available about the renewed Russian offensive effort, and the results show that this was the biggest Russian disaster over the last year.

The Ukrainian General Staff reported that total Russian losses reached almost 1400 soldiers and 175 tanks and armored fighting vehicles in one day, and 65% of these losses came from two 5 km segments of the front near Avdiivka. The losses are almost 50% higher than during the first day of the offensive, which may come as a surprise because yesterday’s attack was not even as intense.

However, looking deeper into the question, such losses become unsurprising. The reason why the second wave of the Russian offensive was even more self-destructive is twofold. First of all, there was no element of surprise. And even though Ukrainian Intelligence did know in advance about the coming Russian attack on Avdiivka, this is not the same as soldiers on the ground knowing what exactly they are going to see and how exactly to deal with it. So, Ukrainian soldiers were more prepared and understood what to do to rebuff the Russian attack more efficiently.

Secondly, this time, Russian forces failed to support their ground operations with airstrikes to the same extent because over the last 11 days Russians incurred 5 confirmed fighter jets losses and 2 more unconfirmed, meaning not only that Russians have fewer jets but also that Ukrainians adjusted and are ready to intercept them en masse.

The main goal of yesterday’s attack once again became taking Terikon, which is a 25-meter-tall artificial mountain. The main idea is that once Russian forces establish control over the heights, they will be able to control the whole region and advance in all directions. And theoretically, this makes sense because Terrikon is extremely wide and has a lot of firing positions. However, practically, this would imply storming a 25-meter-tall wall under the constant fire of Ukrainians.

In the aftermath of the storming operation, some Russian sources reported that they achieved success and established control over the trees in front of Terrikon. Simultaneously, Russian forces launched an assault across the fields in the direction of Stepove. Geolocated footage reveals that Russians increased the sizes of their assault units by more than 50%, hoping that enough of them would survive during the crossing to take the Ukrainian positions. The video shows at least 14 tanks and armored fighting vehicles, which carry up to 100 soldiers. The infantry was dropped around 150 meters from Ukrainian trenches because Russians wanted to get their vehicles back. After that, some of the vehicles managed to escape, while the infantry got stuck in the field.

The infantry was lying on the ground because of non-stop machine gun fire, and it took just several artillery shots at the crowd to eliminate the whole assault unit. And this was just one assault.

Ukrainian reconnaissance teams reported that they were sending one attack after another. Ukrainians were using all types of weapons to prevent Russian tanks from getting close. Sometimes, Russian assault units were destroyed just several meters in front of the trenches. As one Ukrainian soldier said, Russians received such a powerful rebuff yesterday that they conducted almost no assaults today. A Russian soldier also commented about the situation and said that it’s high time the Russian Command reconsidered its approach of sending one battalion after another to hell, thinking that maybe this time they manage to entrench.

The situation in Avdiivka is so bad for Russians that the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin visited the main military Headquarters in Rostov-on-Don to personally talk with the Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov. The specifics of the discussion were not disclosed, however, some sources speculated that Russians expected to take Avdiivka by today. Putin also sent his regards to the commanders, so the fate and career of these commanders responsible for the onslaught may be at risk.

The President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky also had a special meeting with high commanders, and the main topic of the discussion was also Avdiivka. The Chief-in-Command Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, who recently visited the front line, reported on the ongoing successful defensive operation in Avdiivka. So far, everything is under control. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/10/21/frontline-report-russians-lost-1400-soldiers-and-175-tanks-and-armored-fighting-vehicles-in-avdiivka-in-one-day/

Jimbuna

10-22-23, 05:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Q-OPOjp-o

Jimbuna

10-22-23, 06:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0lVdXgB8Y

Jimbuna

10-23-23, 05:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ASZyPGq2D4

Jimbuna

10-23-23, 05:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tJRSYjql70

Skybird

10-23-23, 10:01 AM

Dargo

10-23-23, 11:21 AM

Erdoghan submitted the paperwork approving Sweden's NATO accession to parliament for a vote. If the parliament does as it is told, the buck would then stop with Hungary, which continues to prevent admission.Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Monday submitted a bill approving Sweden's NATO membership bid to parliament for ratification, the presidency said, in a move welcomed by Stockholm that clears the way for it to join the Western defence alliance.

Erdogan pleased his NATO allies at a summit in July by promising to send the legislation to parliament when it reopened on Oct. 1, having previously raised objections over Sweden's alleged harbouring of terrorists.

Since parliament reopened, however, Turkish officials have repeatedly said Stockholm needed to take more concrete steps to clamp down on the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militia before Ankara could ratify its membership bid. The PKK is deemed a terrorist organisation by Turkey, the European Union and the United States.

On Monday the bill on approving Sweden finally moved forward.

"The Protocol on Sweden's NATO Accession was signed by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on October 23, 2023 and referred to the Grand National Assembly of Turkey," the presidency said on social media platform X without elaborating.

Sweden's Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson welcomed the move and said Stockholm was looking forward to becoming a NATO member. "Now it remains for the parliament to deal with the question," Kristersson said on X.

There is no set timeframe for ratification, however. The bill will be put on the agenda of parliament's foreign affairs commission, which will have to pass it before it can be sent to the general assembly for ratification.

Sweden and Finland applied to join NATO last year following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Finland's membership was sealed in April, in a historic expansion of the alliance, but Sweden's bid had been held up by Turkey and Hungary.

Turkey, which has NATO's second-biggest army, has long been seeking U.S. congressional approval for a $20 billion sale of F-16 jets and modernisation kits. Erdogan has previously linked Sweden's NATO bid to U.S. support for its request. https://www.reuters.com/world/turkeys-erdogan-submits-swedens-nato-bid-parliament-ratification-presidency-2023-10-23/

Jimbuna

10-23-23, 12:28 PM

Jimbuna

10-23-23, 12:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEkiFf0Ofdw

Dargo

10-23-23, 12:44 PM

https://youtu.be/vj9W9d72ErE?feature=shared

Jimbuna

10-23-23, 01:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrWezTROUNE

mapuc

10-23-23, 01:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY8hGYe36EY&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

mapuc

10-23-23, 02:16 PM

i doubt it very much, that Putin "would fold"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ83k-V2ltc&ab_channel=TimesRadio

Markus

Dargo

10-23-23, 02:34 PM

i doubt it very much, that Putin "would fold"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ83k-V2ltc&ab_channel=TimesRadio

MarkusPutin does not get the real information only information he gets is from inner circle any decision is based on that for them good information, so folding does not come in his mind all is going accord the plan like his inner circle told him.

mapuc

10-23-23, 02:44 PM

Putin does not get the real information only information he gets is from inner circle any decision is based on that for them good information, so folding does not come in his mind all is going accord the plan like his inner circle told him.

Why are they telling him things he likes to hear and not the fully truth ?

I can come up with two reasons.

1. They fear he would in his anger press the red button
2. They fear they will "fall" out from some high building/Get poison

Markus

Dargo

10-23-23, 02:56 PM

Why are they telling him things he likes to hear and not the fully truth ?

I can come up with two reasons.

1. They fear he would in his anger press the red button
2. They fear they will "fall" out from some high building/Get poison

MarkusReign through terror also means terror on the inner circle, always let them know this is the last meeting before the train to gulag.

mapuc

10-23-23, 03:22 PM

Reign through terror also means terror on the inner circle, always let them know this is the last meeting before the train to gulag.

Good old Stalin style in other words.

Markus

mapuc

10-23-23, 03:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G-J3ALP4TA&ab_channel=UkraineMatters

Markus

Jimbuna

10-24-23, 05:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LMyqFqpRnk

Jimbuna

10-24-23, 05:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi495mmguxY

Reece

10-24-23, 06:25 AM

Excellent news Jim, you made my day! :Kaleun_Applaud:

Skybird

10-24-23, 07:35 AM

[Focus] As reported by "Bild", a group of Russian officials and scientists are said to be planning a major attack on Ukraine. According to the report, a civilian launch vehicle carrying a vast amount of explosives is to crash into a major city in Ukraine instead of reaching orbit.

"Bild" refers to a telephone recording, which the portal says it has. In it, Dmitry Rogozin, the ex-head of the Russian space agency Roskosmos, and Dmitry Baranov, head of the Roskosmos subsidiary "Progress Space Rocket Center," are said to be discussing the plan. The recordings date from January of this year.

However, both Rogozin and Baranov are reportedly not currently in contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Instead, Anton Vaino, the head of Russia's presidential administration, is said to have forwarded the plans to Putin. This is said to have happened on January 16. How Putin reacted to the idea, however, is not known.

One of the things mentioned in the phone calls is that such a plan would take a maximum of six months to implement. So far, however, nothing similar has happened after about nine months. It is unclear if and when what was discussed will be implemented in Russia.

mapuc

10-24-23, 08:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9frWmfdhrRM&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-24-23, 09:00 AM

Putin's elite military 'fleeing' Crimea as full Ukraine control 'only a matter of time'

Vladimir Putin has been dealt a huge blow with Russia's elite military "fleeing from Crimea" as Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky warned taking full control of the key battleground is "only a matter of time".

Crimea - a peninsula that is home to Russia's fearsome Black Sea Fleet - was annexed by Russia back in 2014, and is seen as vital in determining who is victorious in the bloody and brutal war between the two countries.

Ukraine has stepped up efforts to regain the territory in recent weeks, successfully striking key infrastructure as Russia's own dwindling offensive quickly falls flat as losses pile up.

Zelensky has now made arguably his biggest declaration over Crimea since the war with Russia started in October 2022.

He said during a speech at the Crimean Platform parliamentary summit, as translated by the Kyiv Post on X (formerly Twitter): "The Russian military fleet is fleeing from Crimea."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-s-elite-military-fleeing-crimea-as-full-ukraine-control-only-a-matter-of-time/ar-AA1iLa0h?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=80f49498cb3e4f5d8ecc1054b901dde9&ei=16

Jimbuna

10-24-23, 09:29 AM

Video of Vladimir Putin has been fuelling speculation about his health after eagle-eyed observers noticed a scar on his neck.

The clip began circulating online before reports emerged claiming the Russian leader had suffered a heart attack and had to receive intensive care.

The footage shows Putin speaking at an unspecified public event, a scar clearly marking his neck - with some analysts suggesting it might be the result of "resuscitation" procedures.

A Telegram channel believed to belong to a former Kremlin official claimed Putin's health had sparked huge "alarm" across Moscow.

The insider alleged that the Russian leader was found "lying on the floor, rolling his eyes" after suffering a suspected heart episode.

They went on to claim Putin was then transferred to a special medical facility to undergo intensive care.

The Telegram channel General SVR wrote: "Putin convulsively arched while lying on the floor, rolling his eyes. The doctors, who were on duty at the residence in one of the adjacent rooms, were immediately called.

"Doctors performed resuscitation, having previously determined that the president was in cardiac arrest. Help was provided on time, the heart was started, and Putin regained consciousness."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/vladimir-putin-spotted-with-scar-on-his-throat-after-reports-of-being-resuscitated/ar-AA1iKlbR?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=bb3dc599e024479ab733103cfca0396a&ei=82

mapuc

10-24-23, 09:38 AM

^ Could be good or bad news depending on how you see it.

Good news is he suffered from cardiac arrest, the bad news-He survived.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-24-23, 09:42 AM

Only time will tell Markus.

Dargo

10-24-23, 03:08 PM

https://youtu.be/GYQkYPoOvk0?feature=shared

Reece

10-24-23, 09:10 PM

^ Could be good or bad news depending on how you see it.

Good news is he suffered from cardiac arrest, the bad news-He survived.

Markus

What a let down!! :Kaleun_Mad:

Jimbuna

10-25-23, 05:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgJ8BYHKo5g

Exocet25fr

10-25-23, 05:50 AM

Russia downed 24 Ukrainian planes in five days – Shoigu

“We now have weapons systems which have taken down 24 planes in five days,” the minister was quoted as saying in a press release. The list included 14 MiG-29s, two Su-24s, one Su-25, and one L-39. The latter is a Czech-produced trainer-fighter plane, rather than a more capable fighter or ground attack plane like the others. A single Mi-8 helicopter was taken down in the same period, according to the ministry. The ministry’s briefing on Friday noted that in the week starting October 14, Russian forces took out 12 Ukrainian planes, including ten MiG-29s and two Su-25s. Seven of the MiGs were destroyed in a 24-hour period, the report said.

US-made armored vehicles destroyed by Russian airborne troops, and Russian drones hunt for German Leopards, Moscow has declared that Western-supplied armor will "burn like the rest"

https://www.rt.com/russia/585749-shoigu-ukrainian-planes-downed/

Jimbuna

10-25-23, 05:52 AM

Someone should inform Shoigu it is doubtful Ukraine have twenty four aircraft.

Jimbuna

10-25-23, 05:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0w2vB5vf_g

Exocet25fr

10-25-23, 06:16 AM

Russia intercepts US bombers

A pair of nuclear-capable B-1Bs were detected on approach over the Baltic Sea.
The crew of the Su-27 identified the intruders as Lancers, which are long-range strategic bombers designed to carry nuclear-armed missiles and bombs. As the Russian fighter approached, the two American bombers changed course and headed away from the border.

https://www.rt.com/news/585709-american-nuclear-bombers-intercepted/

Jimbuna

10-25-23, 06:20 AM

This is your second consecutive link that doesn't appear to be working.

Exocet25fr

10-25-23, 06:26 AM

Because censored (of course! :D), use a VPN like me! :yeah:

FACT CHECK: Reports of Russian President Putin's health incident remain unverified | DETAILS

The speculation surrounding Putin's health has intensified, particularly since Russia's invasion of Ukraine last year. Earlier, the same Telegram channel propagated the idea that it was not Putin but a doppelganger who visited China recently. In August, another Telegram post triggered concerns about Putin's health, generating discussions on social media. Previously, the channel suggested that Putin was grappling with severe health issues, including headaches, blurred vision, and a numb tongue, in April. In May of the previous year, it was claimed that Putin underwent surgery to extract fluid from his abdomen. These assertions remain unverified, and the accuracy of such claims remains unclear.

As with previous reports, it is crucial to approach this latest unverified information with caution and await official statements or independently corroborated news regarding Putin's health.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/fact-check/fact-check-reports-of-russian-president-vladimir-putin-health-incident-remain-unverified-telegram-channel-dmitry-peskov-lieutenant-general-2023-10-25-899564