Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

"- We will support Ukraine until the end of the war" This was what this general said in Dargo's video clip.

Trying to interpreter what he really meant by this, what was said between the lines.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Lived my whole life under the threat of WWIII.
Anytime you name a Big War by numbers? You can bet there will be more then 1!

Drop a Nuke during any War action? For any reason?
Then lt's go WWIII admitted.

Been fighting WWIII for years but nobody wants to call it that yet.

[Rockstar]

I think the nuke thing has discussed early on. Putin threatened use of tactical battlefield nukes. NATO threatened to retaliate swiftly and decisively by conventional means.

Or so they said.

[Skybird]

putin's very existence is not Russia's very existence. He will be dead in a few years anyway. What will become of Russia then if russian people never stood up?

One more month of putin's actions and they may be right. No joke.
We cannot let ourselves be blackmailed, this will open the door for all kinds of terrorist attacks and invasions by any self-declared warlord.
What I really think is the only way to break this dictatorship once and for all is to really get putin on his knees, and if he intends to draw all of innocent russian people into his own personal downfall.. so be it. History tends to repeat itself and it has been done before.

Yes I know we cannot remove dictatorships by threatening them with sanctions or or well-meant remarks, we have to negotiate and get the best out of it. Like resources lol.
But in the case of one of this multipolar warlords attacking and trying to invade another country we should act, and decisively.
Should. Will probably not happen. Look at Scholz or Wagenknecht.
At least Germany is now #2 after the US providing Ukraine with weapons.
For the time being Putin is still there, he gives shjt for his people and the people do not mind the putistate's (l'etat cest moi) business. And his successor some time in the future probably will be worse than him. And the Russian people will let it happen. As always. Their daily fights for existence fully consume their power and attention.

And btw, the proclaimed multipolarity of the world is a fallacy. The world is bipolar, USA and China. Two heavyweights, militarily, economically, technologically, scientifically. All others are one and two and more weight classes below that. India is economically dangerously overestimated, imo, and I expect many people loosing much money in the forseeable future with their investments in India. Russia is militarily interesting only, since it has the biggest nuclear arsenal. The EU is only economically playing, but gives its competitiveness up increasingly, it has a few landmark technology research projects, but none of them allowing it to play in the hall of the big gamers. Only USA and China score high marks in all four areas that define a heavyweight power. The EU and Russia are just pretending.

[FUBAR295]

Been fighting WWIII for years but nobody wants to call it that yet.


Amen, brother!

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW4Cm7IL0lM&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

The New Voice of Ukraine (https://english.nv.ua/)
Ukrainian troops break through Russian defensive line near Bakhmut – Syrskyi


The New Voice of Ukraine
Mon, September 18, 2023 at 12:06 PM EDT


Ukrainian troops have broken through the Russian defensive line on the eastern front, which the enemy was trying to reinforce with all available reserves, Ukraine’s Military Media Center reported (https://t.me/militarymediacenter/3185) on its Telegram channel on Sept. 18, citing Ukrainian Ground Forces Commander, General Oleksandr Syrskyi.


The Russians are trying to resume offensive actions on the Kupyansk (https://english.nv.ua/nation/soldiers-hoist-ukrainian-flag-in-liberated-villages-near-kupyansk-50351929.html) and Lyman directions, and are actively preparing for this, Syrskyi said.
Fierce fighting is taking place near Bakhmut, he added. The enemy is conducting numerous counterattacks from various directions in an attempt to regain lost ground, after Ukrainian forces liberated Andriyivka and Klishchiyivka (https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukrainian-forces-gain-ground-in-klishchiyivka-fierce-fighting-continues-50335290.html), which are vital elements of the Russian defensive line from Bakhmut to Horlivka.
"As a result of the successful actions of our troops, we have broken through the enemy's defensive line, which they tried to close by throwing all available reserves into the battle," Syrskyi said.


Ukrainian forces have defeated and rendered completely combat ineffective some of the best-trained Russian units, including the 72nd Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade, the 31st and 83rd Separate Airborne Assault Brigades, in the Bakhmut front battles, he said.
Syrskyi visited the front line and thanked the defenders for Andriyivka and Klishchiyivka liberation and honored the soldiers for their courage and heroism, his Telegram (https://t.me/osirskiy/335) channel says.


The Ukrainian military announced on Sept. 17 that Ukrainian forces had liberated the village of Klishchiyivka south of the Russian-occupied ruins of Bakhmut.
Ukraine’s Third Separate Assault Brigade has confirmed its liberation of Andriyivka (https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukraine-liberates-andriyivka-inflicts-heavy-casualties-on-russia-s-72nd-motorized-brigade-50353715.html) in Donetsk Oblast, inflicting significant casualties on Russia’s 72nd Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade in the process, according to a press release on Sep. 15.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-troops-break-russian-defensive-160600264.html

[mapuc]

^ I wanna believe it is true every word of it..It is from Ukraine, which mean an ounce of propaganda have been added.

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6WY1e6g3q8&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Catfish]

How Putin ran out of options to defend Crimea,
and why taking it back by Ukraine will not lead to a nuclear war

"Russia is burning through some of the most experienced troops that they have remaining after the ground forces have been decimated by the earlier months of fighting."

Putin appears to have backed into a corner on defending Crimea as he is unable to respond to Ukrainian attacks on the peninsula says Ker Giles."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXw8grlot_8

[mapuc]

I truly hope you're right Catfish, I fear though that Putler has something up his sleeves which he is gonna use when Ukraine are sending troops into Crimea.

This will of course be a while before this happens.

Markus

[Dargo]

I truly hope you're right Catfish, I fear though that Putler has something up his sleeves which he is gonna use when Ukraine are sending troops into Crimea.

This will of course be a while before this happens.

MarkusBefore Ukraine can retake Crimea it has to retake all the occupied south of Ukraine if they succeed in that do not think Putin will be long in office because he lost majority of his army there, do not think he can sell that at home. Putin has bet it all, has no cards in his sleeves any more there is no wunderwaffe going nuclear will not help him either by the way there are already Ukraine troops been in Crimea he lost vailible equipment there without a nuclear threat not even a bombing attack on Ukraine cities a nuclear use will also will not go unanswered do not think Putin and his crony's will risk the consequences for that.

[mapuc]

Before Ukraine can retake Crimea it has to retake all the occupied south of Ukraine if they succeed in that do not think Putin will be long in office because he lost majority of his army there, do not think he can sell that at home. Putin has bet it all, has no cards in his sleeves any more there is no wunderwaffe going nuclear will not help him either by the way there are already Ukraine troops been in Crimea he lost vailible equipment there without a nuclear threat not even a bombing attack on Ukraine cities a nuclear use will also will not go unanswered do not think Putin and his crony's will risk the consequences for that.

You are talking about a rational thinking person-I do not know how his brain works when he know everything is lost and he is pushed real hard up in the corner and can get out without loosing face

I think most of us, does not know how he works psychologically.

Markus

[Dargo]

You are talking about a rational thinking person-I do not know how his brain works when he know everything is lost and he is pushed real hard up in the corner and can get out without loosing face

I think most of us, does not know how he works psychologically.

MarkusI am not talking about him alone, a dictator does not rule without the surrounding support, they allow him to be dictator. The dictator is always blamed for the crisis at hand. A dictator may enjoy the freedom that comes with absolute authority, but they are also bound to face the repercussions of it. There are many that would execute his orders if in this chain of command there is doubt it will mean the fall of the dictator. History has many examples that if a faction does not see the purpose to follow for what reason, it will try to get rid of the dictator.

[Jeff-Groves]

You have to remember Putin does not have a button that launches Nukes.
Just like Biden doesn't. It's up to the Chain of Command to follow the order to launch. Then the Crews in the launch sites to actually deploy.

[mapuc]

From what I know, you may be right, The question is:

Is there anyone in his surroundings that has the guts to stand up against him ?

For me it looks like his cabinet is nothing but puppets.

Markus

[mapuc]

You have to remember Putin does not have a button that launches Nukes.
Just like Biden doesn't. It's up to the Chain of Command to follow the order to launch. Then the Crews in the launch sites to actually deploy.

Yep you're right.

Only power the President has in such a case is the right to say Make it so.
Platapus once told me the sequence behind a nuke launch in a former US-Politic thread.

It was an organization consisting of three letters who gave the President some targets and it was them who could give the final order. Only right s/he has is saying Make it so.
If I remember correctly

Markus

[tonschk]

WEST FACES HUMILIATION IN UKRAINE

https://socialist.net/west-faces-humiliation-in-ukraine/

The catastrophic failure of the Ukrainian counter-offensive is provoking splits and divisions in the NATO alliance. Meanwhile, workers across the world are paying the price for this inter-imperialist conflict. The class struggle is set to intensify.

If the meeting of the Group of 20 (G20) major economies in India was intended as a show of unity against Russia, it succeeded in producing precisely the opposite result.



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[Commander Wallace]

WEST FACES HUMILIATION IN UKRAINE

https://socialist.net/west-faces-humiliation-in-ukraine/

The catastrophic failure of the Ukrainian counter-offensive is provoking splits and divisions in the NATO alliance. Meanwhile, workers across the world are paying the price for this inter-imperialist conflict. The class struggle is set to intensify.

If the meeting of the Group of 20 (G20) major economies in India was intended as a show of unity against Russia, it succeeded in producing precisely the opposite result.



.


Dream on pal. By the way, good luck fixing that derelict, overgrown paperweight you call a Kilo class submarine, destroyed by the Ukraine in Crimea. :har::har:

Nice job Russia. You managed to shoot down a Storm Shadow Missile with a submarine! The world's first. Only In Russia.

All is not lost, however. The Kilo Class Submarine can still dive. Unfortunately, it can only do it once and just keeps going, straight to the bottom. I think you should take a ride on it. By all means, give it a go.

[Commander Wallace]

This is for our aviation aficionado's. It's a Russian fighter on fire before crashing into a lake. It's purported to be a MiG-31 Foxhound.

This is an example of great engineering. The jet had just the right amount of fuel to take it to the crash site.

A Russian spokesman said “It was not a crash. It was an unscheduled air to water interface followed by rapid underwater disassembly”.

On the bright side, the Russian Navy gained a new aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw9l4IMjcD4

[Skybird]

You have to remember Putin does not have a button that launches Nukes.
Just like Biden doesn't. It's up to the Chain of Command to follow the order to launch. Then the Crews in the launch sites to actually deploy.He reduced the number of keys from three to two. we mentioned it in the forum, I think maybe 2-3 years ago.

[Skybird]

I truly hope you're right Catfish, I fear though that Putler has something up his sleeves which he is gonna use when Ukraine are sending troops into Crimea.

This will of course be a while before this happens.

Markus
They must not and probably do not have the troop numbers to "invade" in battle Crimea, its sufficient,at least I think, to isolate it and cut off completely all supplies. The rest the isolated Russian troops will do themselves: disobey orders.

[Reece]

Dream on pal. By the way, good luck fixing that derelict, overgrown paperweight you call a Kilo class submarine, destroyed by the Ukraine in Crimea. :har::har:

Nice job Russia. You managed to shoot down a Storm Shadow Missile with a submarine! The world's first. Only In Russia.
All is not lost, however. The Kilo Class Submarine can still dive. Unfortunately, it can only do it once and just keeps going, straight to the bottom. I think you should take a ride on it. By all means, give it a go.
:har::har: :yeah:

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB_KEQEvXjQ&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

The massive Russian attack hit at least six cities across Ukraine and wounded at least 21. The strikes damaged energy infrastructure in central and western Ukraine.
Poland said Wednesday it will no longer arm Ukraine and instead focus on its own defence,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/21/russia-ukraine-war-at-a-glance-what-we-know-on-day-575-of-the-invasion


Germany opposes Ukraine’s UN proposal. Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock says Berlin does not support Kiev’s suggestion to strip Russia of its veto power

Ukraine suspends death-threat transgender military spokesperson Sarah Ashton-Cirillo’s promise to “hunt down” Russian “propagandists” caused outrage among US conservatives

EU to back members against Ukraine – FT
Kiev has filed a WTO case against Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia over their ban on Ukrainian grain imports

The EU is considering whether to defend Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia against a grievance filed by Ukraine after the three countries announced unilateral bans on the import of Ukrainian seeds and grains, the Financial Times reported on Thursday.

https://www.rt.com/

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLtiF3gqCZk&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qWsDgdGt_s&ab_channel=DivineJustice

Edit
Is that B52 I can see around 5 minutes into the video clip ?
End edit

Markus

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/21/europe/poland-ukraine-weapons-grain-explainer-intl/index.html

Ukraine can only hope that this is just sabre rattling in the tight eleciton race. Because if Warsaw sticks to this, Kyiv is in troubles and could slip even deeper if Warsaw decides to also no longer let foreign supplies enter Ukraine via Poland.

Reason for concern.

[Dargo]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/21/europe/poland-ukraine-weapons-grain-explainer-intl/index.html

Ukraine can only hope that this is just sabre rattling in the tight eleciton race. Because if Warsaw sticks to this, Kyiv is in troubles and could slip even deeper if Warsaw decides to also no longer let foreign supplies enter Ukraine via Poland.

Reason for concern.Poland does not want a Russian satellite extra at his border the nationalist Law and Justice (PiS) party wants to win this election, this is just sabre-rattling.

[Skybird]

The PiS is Katcynski, and Kat is a highly irrational and unscrupoulous sucker, so I think everything is possible. He might use this as a weapon against the EU, for blackmailing.

[mapuc]

It is not only Poland, also USA there is divided regarding the supply of weapons and ammunition to Ukraine.

Markus

[Dargo]

The PiS is Katcynski, and Kat is a highly irrational and unscrupoulous sucker, so I think everything is possible. He might use this as a weapon against the EU, for blackmailing.Poland has taken the brunt of Ukraine refugees and gave a lot of support of course Kaczyński will use this in the EU there are more in Eastern Europe that do this, but Poland will never align with Russia they will support Ukraine to prevent any Russians at their gates.

[Skybird]

Poland has taken the brunt of Ukraine refugees and gave a lot of support of course Kaczyński will use this in the EU there are more in Eastern Europe that do this, but Poland will never align with Russia they will support Ukraine to prevent any Russians at their gates.
For the time being they say they will not.

[mapuc]

Lets hope they will find a solution to this grain problem.

Markus

[Dargo]

It is not only Poland, also USA there is divided regarding the supply of weapons and ammunition to Ukraine.

MarkusThis is a normal in coming elections they try to win votes but on both sides there is still a majority of support for Ukraine also the people of the US the majority wants to support Ukraine.

[mapuc]

This is a normal in coming elections they try to win votes but on both sides there is still a majority of support for Ukraine also the people of the US the majority wants to support Ukraine.


In a poll made some month ago, said that 52 percent of the Americans was against the help to Ukraine.

It is only among the politicians there's a little majority for supporting Ukraine. Which may change after the upcoming election.

Markus

[Dargo]

For the time being they say they will not.Politicians say allot when they want to win elections, this is meant for the Polish people.

Prime Minister Morawiecki has said Poland is shifting its focus. Many weapons the country sent to Ukraine were old Soviet equipment, such as 320 tanks and 14 fighter jets. Now that supplies have run out, Poland wants to rearm itself with modern weapons. The government has been working on that for some time, and also has several contracts with the United States and South Korea, among others, to do so. 'So it is not a hard 180-degree turn, as government spokesmen also emphasized Thursday morning. More of a slightly different course. That's how they sell it. The prime minister is not saying that he no longer supports Ukraine, but that he now puts Polish interests first. In doing so, he does not want to compromise Ukraine's security, he added on television here.'

'The statements are not intended for an international audience, but for Polish voters. As in the Netherlands, the question of who should take care of the countryside keeps Poland very busy. Farmers there are very dissatisfied with the expiration of the European ban on Ukrainian grain imports. 'Government party PiS faces competition from the right-wing political party Konfederacja. That is a very anti-Ukrainian club competing for votes from the countryside. And the major opposition party Platforma Obywatelska has also put a farmer on its list. 'Before the import ban was lifted, the European Commission did research on the possible impact on European farmers. They predicted that Polish farmers would be little affected. Prime Minister Morawiecki says the opposite, but does not use figures to back this up. This does indicate that numbers and statistics are secondary to the story the government wants to tell: that it is standing up for farmers.

'What also comes into play is that the government is embroiled in a scandal. Polish visas were allegedly sold to non-EU migrants in cooperation with consulate and ministry employees. The diplomatic row could also be another distraction.'

It is important to realize that Polish political culture is different from ours. Confrontation is more important. Polish politicians do often choose the flight to the front, and then see where the ship runs aground. 'The question also remains whether this is really a policy break. Poland remains a 'hub' for support to Ukraine, the government stresses. The only question now is what Polish military aid to Ukraine will look like in the future.'

[Dargo]

In a poll made some month ago, said that 52 percent of the Americans was against the help to Ukraine.

It is only among the politicians there's a little majority for supporting Ukraine. Which may change after the upcoming election.

MarkusI saw a poll not from long ago saying the opposite :D

[Dargo]

Lets hope they will find a solution to this grain problem.

MarkusIt will be either between Poland and Ukraine or the EU makes a deal.

[tonschk]

Gravitas: Ukraine's ally Poland abandon Zelensky | WION


Why has Poland Stopped Supplying Weapons to Ukraine


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wC9endvWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu-WliT508o

[mapuc]

In the news 5 min. ago.
The Polish Prime Minister was misunderstood, when he said Poland would stop sending weapon and ammo to Ukraine.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Why has Poland as you say stopped? Just a guess but probably since they’ve donated 320 or so tanks and 14 MiG-29 aircraft, plus countless rounds of ammunition and artillery pieces. They probably want to slow down and buy some new stuff for themselves.

It’s not rocket science.

[Dargo]

Why has Poland as you say stopped? Just a guess but probably since they’ve donated 320 or so tanks and 14 MiG-29 aircraft, plus countless rounds of ammunition and artillery pieces. They probably want to slow down and buy some new stuff for themselves.

It’s not rocket science.Correct see https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2885266&postcount=1038

[Commander Wallace]

Why has Poland as you say stopped? Just a guess but probably since they’ve donated 320 or so tanks and 14 MiG-29 aircraft, plus countless rounds of ammunition and artillery pieces. They probably want to slow down and buy some new stuff for themselves.

It’s not rocket science.

If I remember right, the donation of MiG-29 Fulcrum fighters and it's derivatives by Poland comes at a price. Poland wants the updated F-16's from the U.S in return which they view as superior to the MiG-29's. That would also allow for a more complete integration by Poland with the rest of NATO and it's various weapons.

In the intervening time between the start of this war and now, Ukraine MiG-29's have seen the Integration of U.S weapons such as the AGM 88 High speed Anti radiations Missiles ( HARM's ) Possibly the older Shrikes and other munitions types to the various Ukraine aircraft. The fire control suites on the Ukrainian MiG-29's would most likely have been modified to use Western weapons. It wouldn't surprise me if the Israeli Aerospace Industries assisted in that integration. The Israeli Aerospace Industries have done similar upgrades for customers who still use the MiG-21 with regards to modern weapons and sophisticated avionics including glass displays and HOTAS digital flight controls among other upgrades.

[Rockstar]

That and I think its election season in Poland I imagine things will be said that will appeal to certain Polish voters.

[tonschk]

The beginning of the end for Zelensky
Western support for Ukraine is beginning to weaken, the signing of peace with Russia will mark the end of Zelensky, says Bulgarian historian Alexander Sivilov.

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2023&mm=09&dd=21&nav_id=116655

"Without the help of the West, Ukraine will end its participation in the war in the near future. But a much bigger problem will arise for Volodymyr Zelensky and his entourage. If he ends the war now, their lives are over, because they will be pursued by their own Nazis, they are now the most confident people fighting on the front against Russia," the historian said.

Sivilov added that Ukrainian President is therefore doing everything possible to prolong the war.

"At this session of the United Nations, we saw that the world's support for Zelensky is starting to decline rapidly. This was also noticeable based on the statements of the President of Colombia, who called for the immediate establishment of peace. This was also noticeable by the announcement of the Hungarian President, who did not speak specifically about the war, although there was also a call that it is better to end the war," the expert emphasized.

According to him, she criticized the Ukrainian Government for not respecting the rights of ethnic minorities in Ukraine.

"It is the idea that Ukraine ceases to exist and that countries like Poland and Hungary tear off parts of it where people live who, from their point of view, are their ethnic population," Sivilov pointed out.

He emphasized that the beginning of the end has clearly started. "It sounds strange, but it seems that events are taking place in that direction. The expected incredible visit of Zelensky to the UN can turn into a serious fiasco," underlined Sivilov.

[em2nought]

I wonder if the west is just palming tanks off on the Ukraine as tanks might now be, with the advent of drone technology, as outdated as battleships in WW2 were with the dawn of carrier based aviation. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Partially yes, the french AMX for example. These are old tanks and different to the t72 there was no argument of they need not to learn them.

But poland buys korean tanks, france and germany want to build new tank generation, though the cooperation is a desaster so far. Britain and usa also work on new tank designs.

[tonschk]

'Ukrainians Will Trouble...': Zelensky's Open Threat To U.S.-led West Amid 'Weakening Support'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNihl5J-7qw

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZURIpShncxE&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[u crank]

NATO’s post-Cold War strategy has been a disaster

https://thespectator.com/topic/the-price-of-nato-ukraine-russia/

The policy NATO pursued was the worst of both worlds: by holding out the possibility of membership to Ukraine, without providing the security of actual membership, NATO gave Russia time and incentive to act first. So Ukraine bleeds.

Europe is a rich continent, and the European members of NATO are wealthy enough to provide all of the financial support that Ukraine needs — they just choose not to. It’s rational: why should Europeans pay for Europe’s security, when they can have Americans pay instead?

Perhaps a European alliance after the Cold War would have performed as badly as the American-led NATO, but it would have had skin in the game rather than allowing ideologues in Washington to play games with other people’s skins.

[Skybird]

^ Good essay. So true.
But what is the reality? Gemany just has had the chuzpa to demand a permanent seat in the security council. :haha: Of course, this farce ended like was predictable.:har:

[tonschk]

Zelensky CAUGHT LYING Ahead Of US Visit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fhcog-gJ0o

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBhR7RzVIyk&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Dargo]

The beginning of the end for Zelensky
Western support for Ukraine is beginning to weaken, the signing of peace with Russia will mark the end of Zelensky, says Bulgarian historian Alexander Sivilov.

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2023&mm=09&dd=21&nav_id=116655

"Without the help of the West, Ukraine will end its participation in the war in the near future. But a much bigger problem will arise for Volodymyr Zelensky and his entourage. If he ends the war now, their lives are over, because they will be pursued by their own Nazis, they are now the most confident people fighting on the front against Russia," the historian said.

Sivilov added that Ukrainian President is therefore doing everything possible to prolong the war.

"At this session of the United Nations, we saw that the world's support for Zelensky is starting to decline rapidly. This was also noticeable based on the statements of the President of Colombia, who called for the immediate establishment of peace. This was also noticeable by the announcement of the Hungarian President, who did not speak specifically about the war, although there was also a call that it is better to end the war," the expert emphasized.

According to him, she criticized the Ukrainian Government for not respecting the rights of ethnic minorities in Ukraine.

"It is the idea that Ukraine ceases to exist and that countries like Poland and Hungary tear off parts of it where people live who, from their point of view, are their ethnic population," Sivilov pointed out.

He emphasized that the beginning of the end has clearly started. "It sounds strange, but it seems that events are taking place in that direction. The expected incredible visit of Zelensky to the UN can turn into a serious fiasco," underlined Sivilov.The end? I do not think that!
US and Ukraine will produce weapons together
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reached agreements on joint production of weapons during his visit to Washington. He reports this in his daily video message. "Co-production in the defense industry is a historic thing," Zelenskyy said. "A new industrial base, new jobs for both countries." He speaks of "a new level of unity." Specifically, according to Zelenskyy, it involves the production of air defense systems. When production is to begin is unclear, but Zelenskyy talks about a long-term agreement. Earlier this month, the Ukrainian government also signed an agreement with British arms manufacturer BAE Systems. That will produce artillery guns in Ukraine, among other things.

[Dargo]

Biden tells Zelenskyy that U.S. will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles
Some in Washington had resisted supplying the weapons system, known as “attack-ems,” out of fear that it would widen the war with Russia. President Joe Biden has told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, that the United States will provide a small number of long-range missiles to aid the war with Russia, three U.S. officials and a congressional official familiar with the discussions told NBC News on Friday. The officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly, did not say when the missiles would be delivered or when a public announcement would be made. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-atacms-biden-zelenskyy-long-range-missile-rcna116876

[Dargo]

No the Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol!!!!!!1!!!1!1 https://twitter.com/i_gil_/status/1705174050165682567
https://i.postimg.cc/9fJGzgHd/crymusk.jpg

:up::D

Seems Ukraine waited until a bunch of the Russian Navy's brass loaded up into headquarters before blowing it up, killing the Commander of the Black Sea Fleet himself. Wikipedia has been updated to say Commander Victor Sokolov is now wormfood. https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1705268912344940766

[Exocet25fr]

It's the beginning of the end for ALL of us.........!:k_confused:

[mapuc]

It's the beginning of the end for ALL of us.........!:k_confused:

It's the beginning of the end for Russia and those who support them

Markus

[Dargo]

It's the beginning of the end for ALL of us.........!:k_confused:I lived to a couple ends in my life, but this is not the one.

[Skybird]

There are mounting indications that Ukraine indeed has broken through all three defense lines at Werbove. Now if they have the power left to widen and deepen that breach, then this could turn into a major operational breakthrough. Too early to say, but the signs are promising, even more so sicne the three most elite brigades the Russians had send in in a hurry to defend - have been annihilated.

Things now start to become interesting.

Washington has promised ATACAMS. I assume Bubble Olaf will soon get out of his hole and announce delivery of Taurus, like he did with the tanks.


I think Kerch bridge has lived the longer part of its life already.

[Catfish]

Ukraine has still to even reach Crimea, there are still too much russian troops left, and the Kerch bridge is difficult to destroy.
But this is not the first time the Ukraine has surprised us, so I guess they have some more up their sleeve.
Good news !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYvZxJ1Db9k

[Dargo]

I think this offensive will go different than we expect, I see attrition -> move forward -> attrition -> move forward in between make Crimea useless to occupy scare away the Black Sea fleet and destroy the supply lines. This doctrine will save more lives than our way of offensive that Ukraine can not execute because they do not have the material, we do not supply them the needed weapons.

[Catfish]

Has Russia given up lying?
Russian Sergey Markov - in an interview with PublicO:

“We are losing tens of billions of dollars on discounts on oil, gas, fertilizers, etc. Conventionally, we receive 10-20% less than we could get for our goods.

Secondly, we have problems getting the products we need. For some things we overpay, but for others we cannot buy them at all.
In addition, there is a colossal subsidization of the army that is hostile to us. We are forced to spend a lot of money to confront it.
Thirdly, Westerners have an almost monopoly on the information space. It's hard for us to compete with them. Hence the problems with influencing public opinion.

Well, and finally, we have almost no allies. Even those who exist sometimes are absent.”

My heart bleeds. Do stupid stunts, win stupid prizes.

https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1705216753456886112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1705216753456886112%7Ctwgr% 5E15111e84b6bacaa80d2422f3d2f5289fbc36f280%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwi tter.min.html1705216753456886112

[Catfish]

It's the beginning of the end for ALL of us.........!:k_confused:
Only for Russia and allies like North Korea. Or Iran.

How much support does France give to Ukraine?
€19.7 billion in support of Ukraine's economic, social and financial resilience (€12.4 billion in European funds and €7.3 billion from EU Member States). €3.5 billion in military assistance via the European Peace Facility.
France's contributions to this Facility account for 20% of total contributions.

You know your nazi slut marine LePen is not yet at the helm.

[Exocet25fr]

:haha:

[mapuc]

I think this offensive will go different than we expect, I see attrition -> move forward -> attrition -> move forward in between make Crimea useless to occupy scare away the Black Sea fleet and destroy the supply lines. This doctrine will save more lives than our way of offensive that Ukraine can not execute because they do not have the material, we do not supply them the needed weapons.

Seem to recall something with the fact that Ukraine only had to advance 7-10 km which was enough-Thereby they could hit Russian supply lines to and from Crimea.

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

Тwo Leopard tanks destroyed in Ukraine

[Skybird]

I think this offensive will go different than we expect, I see attrition -> move forward -> attrition -> move forward in between make Crimea useless to occupy scare away the Black Sea fleet and destroy the supply lines. This doctrine will save more lives than our way of offensive that Ukraine can not execute because they do not have the material, we do not supply them the needed weapons.
I repeat what I dsaid (repeatedly) before. They probbaly must not invade and conquer Crimea, they must isolate it and interdict all supply routes to it. And I believe to see that this is what they indeed aim at.

Its like in boxing and one boxer having significant advantage in arms legth. He would be stupid to go into an ifight, he will use long blows instead, keeping out of the other's reach while hacking away at his breath and durability.

In principle, a good plan for Ukraine which has only one third of personnel strength than Russia. However, even the best plan must function.

My optimism has further grown, slowly, and cautiously, but it has. A bit. Ukraine has the momentum, and tactical advantage. This is not the time for all out attack, but controlled advance coupled with deep strikes. And that is what they seem to do.

The biggest enemy now is: time.

[Skybird]

Colonel Reisner soberly analyses that the claimed breakthrough is to be comnpared wiht the brwekaing of a dma and the water wildly spilling into the area behind, uncontrolled. This is not the case. He says even after the third line the ukraine still meets stiff and organised resistence and can anything but just march through.



Man, this guy could be a Vulcan. :)



Use translator subtitles, its in German.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vh28sOHALA

[Exocet25fr]

EU chief warns of Russian ‘nuclear threat’

Ursula von der Leyen appeared to suggest that Moscow was responsible for the bombing of Hiroshima

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has appeared to imply that Russia, rather than the US, dropped an atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima during World War II.

:haha::har:

https://www.rt.com/news/583385-leyen-russia-hiroshima-again/

[Dargo]

EU chief warns of Russian ‘nuclear threat’

Ursula von der Leyen appeared to suggest that Moscow was responsible for the bombing of Hiroshima

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has appeared to imply that Russia, rather than the US, dropped an atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima during World War II.

:haha::har:

https://www.rt.com/news/583385-leyen-russia-hiroshima-again/Sure in RT we trust

[Exocet25fr]

Тwo Leopard tanks destroyed in Ukraine

Russian forces have destroyed another two German-made Leopard tanks in the Kupyansk region, according to a report issued by Russia’s Defense Ministry on Friday.

It stated that Russia’s “Western” military group had opened fire on Ukrainian forces near the settlements of Artemovka in Russia’s Lugansk People’s Republic, as well as Sinkovka, Berestovoe and Ivanovka in Ukraine’s Kharkov Region.

The ministry claimed that Kiev’s forces had lost a total of 20 servicemen, two Leopard tanks, and three other vehicles in the attacks.

Hundreds of UK tanks could contain hazardous material – London
Asbestos could be present in almost 2,700 tanks and armored vehicles owned by the UK military, The Times has reported
A British Challenger 2 Tank firing live ammunition in the Kuwait desert.

Challenger 2 tanks and many other vehicles in possession of the British Army could contain asbestos, a hazardous material that can cause irreversible lung damage, The Times has reported, citing the UK Defense Procurement Minister James Cartlidge.


Most tanks provided by Denmark to Ukraine faulty
Der Spiegel previously reported that Kiev had rejected ten Leopard 1 tanks donated by Germany because of their poor condition


https://www.rt.com/russia/583416-russia-destroys-leopard-tanks/

[Dargo]

Seem to recall something with the fact that Ukraine only had to advance 7-10 km which was enough-Thereby they could hit Russian supply lines to and from Crimea.

MarkusCorrect, but before you can use that retaken area it must be secured so that long range weapons can operate from there. For attrition to work you hit supply behind the front, but you also need to force the Russians to use their ammo on the front to create a shortage so that the Russians need to supply the front, what causes more problems for them if they can not find save supply lines.

[Dargo]

Тwo Leopard tanks destroyed in Ukraine

Russian forces have destroyed another two German-made Leopard tanks in the Kupyansk region, according to a report issued by Russia’s Defense Ministry on Friday.

It stated that Russia’s “Western” military group had opened fire on Ukrainian forces near the settlements of Artemovka in Russia’s Lugansk People’s Republic, as well as Sinkovka, Berestovoe and Ivanovka in Ukraine’s Kharkov Region.

The ministry claimed that Kiev’s forces had lost a total of 20 servicemen, two Leopard tanks, and three other vehicles in the attacks.

Hundreds of UK tanks could contain hazardous material – London
Asbestos could be present in almost 2,700 tanks and armored vehicles owned by the UK military, The Times has reported
A British Challenger 2 Tank firing live ammunition in the Kuwait desert.

Challenger 2 tanks and many other vehicles in possession of the British Army could contain asbestos, a hazardous material that can cause irreversible lung damage, The Times has reported, citing the UK Defense Procurement Minister James Cartlidge.


Most tanks provided by Denmark to Ukraine faulty
Der Spiegel previously reported that Kiev had rejected ten Leopard 1 tanks donated by Germany because of their poor condition


https://www.rt.com/russia/583416-russia-destroys-leopard-tanks/Only two? Who cares you looked at the trend what the Russians are losing daily that's more than 2 for the last weeks, I think on the front you die faster from a bullet or mine than asbestos, btw all gas masks from Russia contain asbestos like all their other material. That tanks that are faulty can be repaired and that is done also this is for a minority, not "most" I believe like 10 as Ukraine gets a couple of hundred my calculations say no not "most"

[mapuc]

Two Leopard destroyed-Compared with how many Russian tank destroyed or damaged today ?

Markus

[Dargo]

Two Leopard destroyed-Compared with how many Russian tank destroyed or damaged today ?

MarkusDid not see today's score but for days Russia losing in the tenfold daily tanks and artillery this trend is up for the last 3 weeks if Ukraine can keep this up I give Russia about 6 months than they gone get in trouble replacing that loss rate. For supplying, they're already using non-military transport vehicles. Reason is Russia constantly counterattacking but losing so much, it makes no sense any sane commander would retreat behind new defence lines it is utterly useless what the Russian are doing.

[Dargo]

Top Ukrainian general: Winter won’t halt Kyiv's offensive and the biggest breakthrough is yet to come
Winter won't slow down Ukraine's counteroffensive and Kyiv’s biggest breakthrough is still to come, the general leading the country's fight along the southern front line told CNN.

“The weather can be a serious obstacle during advance, but considering how we move forward, mostly without vehicles, I don’t think [the weather] will heavily influence the counteroffensive,” Gen. Oleksandr Tarnavsky told CNN’s senior international Correspondent Frederik Pleitgen during an exclusive interview Friday.

Intense rains in the fall can make the ground in Ukraine soggy and make movement with heavy machinery, like tanks, more difficult, but Tarnavsky says Ukraine’s forces move in small groups, mostly on foot.

The general also said he believes Ukraine’s big breakthrough — the biggest of this counteroffensive — is yet to come.

“I think it will happen after Tokmak," Tarnavsky said of the breakthrough. "At the moment they are relying on the depth of their defensive line there.”

Rather than the "Surovikin line," which is a defensive line built on the orders of former Gen. Sergey Surovikin, Tarnavsky says the bigger issues are the “crossroads, tree lines and minefields between the tree lines.”

“[There’s] a combination of small harmful enemy defense groups that currently are planted very precisely and competently,” he said. “But the actions of our fighters force them to slowly pull back when they face our assault squads.”

Positive about the ultimate outcome, the general conceded that for the counteroffensive to be a success, Ukrainian forces need to at least reach the city of Tokmak.

“Tokmak is the minimum goal,” he said. “The overall objective is to get to our state borders.”

When asked about rising resistance to continuing weapons supplies to Ukraine, especially in the US, where some have voiced doubt about Kyiv’s chances of success, Tarnavsky said he respected their view.

He also thanked Ukraine’s Western allies for their continuous support, especially for the tanks and other armored vehicles they’ve been providing, and promised Kyiv was treating them with great care. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-22-23/index.html

[Dargo]

Gas tariffs for Russians to be increased to record high to "patch up" Gazprom's budget
The Russian authorities are preparing an increase in gas tariffs for the population that is the highest in the past 11 years in order to fill the budget of Gazprom, which has lost three-quarters of its revenue in the key – European – market.

...

"As a result, gas will become more expensive for citizens by 20% in two years, and by 34% since the beginning of the war: tariffs were indexed twice last year – by 3% in July and by 8.5% in December. In 2023, indexation was not carried out," writes the publication.

... https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/22/7421050/

Going great in Russia :D

[mapuc]

I take this information on the Ukrainian breakthrough as unconfirmed until further notice has arrived.

It is great news if true-However there is still an uncertainty

We will know in a couple of days from now.

Markus

[Dargo]

I take this information on the Ukrainian breakthrough as unconfirmed until further notice has arrived.

It is great news if true-However there is still an uncertainty

We will know in a couple of days from now.

MarkusWhat I see/hear Ukrainian is still attacking the flanks of the gap mostly at Verbove and Novoprokopivka.

[mapuc]

What I see/hear Ukrainian is still attacking the flanks of the gap mostly at Verbove and Novoprokopivka.

Thank you

If Verbove is taken it would certainly be huge setback for the Russian.

Markus

[Dargo]

Thank you

If Verbove is taken it would certainly be huge setback for the Russian.

MarkusWhat we see is day's old if it is important Ukraine releases it earlier.

[mapuc]

What we see is day's old if it is important Ukraine releases it earlier.

Which is fully understandable. Sending live from the battle scene would not be a good thing to do or would it ?
(I doubt it)

Markus

[tonschk]

NAZI DICTATOR ZELENSKY BEGGING FOR HELP

https://coloradonewsline.com/2023/09/22/aid-war-zelenskyy-asks-congress-to-help-ukraine/


WASHINGTON — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Thursday traveled to Capitol Hill to meet with lawmakers to reiterate the need for continued aid to support his country’s fight against the Russian invasion, even as the U.S. faces a partial government shutdown as soon as the end of the month.

“If we don’t get the aid, we will lose the war,” Zelenskyy said to senators, according to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.


“It is very clear that if we were to have a government shutdown, or pass a CR without Ukrainian aid, the damage that would occur on Ukraine’s campaign would be devastating,” Schumer, a New York Democrat, said.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkdey9bDvgc&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AA68t7gRHI&ab_channel=TimesRadio

Markus

[Catfish]

The second storm shadow missile hits Sevastopol (temporarily russian) navy headquarters
There must at least have been two .. Ukraine says they sent a drone and two missiles. Seems none has been shot down.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-66898073

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhzEQqBQ3pg

Russia has not commented on whether black sea navy commander Viktor Sokolov has been killed by the attack, as it has been claimed by Ukraine.

Jerusalem Post:
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-760259

France 24:
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230923-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-senior-russian-naval-officers-killed-in-hq-attack-in-crimea-says-ukraine

[mapuc]

Edit
The owner have removed the video
End edit

Markus

[Catfish]

Ukrainian heavy artillery inflicts 'hell' on Russian lines near Bakhmut

https://www.reuters.com/world/

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHQ0-BPn0Q&ab_channel=TheMilitaryShow

Markus

[Otto Harkaman]

Nord Stream sabotage one year on: What to know about the attack

-despite official investigations in three countries, the question of who is responsible for the act of sabotage remains unanswered.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/23/what-we-know-about-the-nord-stream-sabotage-one-year-on

https://article-imgs.scribdassets.com/7hqk76dpz4a6woh9/images/file1SWT60DY.jpg

[tonschk]

RUSSIA BLOWS UP ANOTHER LEOPARD TANK AS TARGET PRACTISE AND THIS TIME WITH GERMAN TROOPS INSIDE

Russia-Germany Conflict Looms As Moscow's Drone Blows Up Leopard Tank With German Troops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdYj_4CwOqg

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-CNumrO8Yk&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[mapuc]

RUSSIA BLOWS UP ANOTHER LEOPARD TANK AS TARGET PRACTISE AND THIS TIME WITH GERMAN TROOPS INSIDE

Russia-Germany Conflict Looms As Moscow's Drone Blows Up Leopard Tank With German Troops

Maybe German volunteers, no way it was ordinary German troops driving this Leopard 1 or 2.

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzPRrWWv7f8&ab_channel=DivineJustice

Markus

[Catfish]

I am not sure how this ends..
but it seems Putin opened a can of worms. Or Pandora's box.
Not sure what is worse for him, but in all better for Russia.

[Rockstar]

RUSSIA BLOWS UP ANOTHER LEOPARD TANK AS TARGET PRACTISE AND THIS TIME WITH GERMAN TROOPS INSIDE

Russia-Germany Conflict Looms As Moscow's Drone Blows Up Leopard Tank With German Troops ….

Just an FYI that was a Swedish Strv 122

So you might want to research your videos a bit before you post them. Since it’s not a German Leopard 2 in the video it makes the associated storyline a complete fabrication and reduces your own credibility to zero.

[mapuc]

Just an FYI that was a Swedish Strv 122

So you might want to research your videos a bit before you post them. Since it’s not a German made Leopard 2 in the video it makes the associated storyline a complete fabrication and reduces your own credibility to zero.

Never watch his videos. Maybe I should have in this case then I would have known that it wasn't a Leopard tank, which I presume it was.

Strv Stand for Stridsvagn-Combat wagon-tank.

Markus

[kpv1974]

Never watch his videos. Maybe I should have in this case then I would have known that it wasn't a Leopard tank, which I presume it was.

Strv Stand for Stridsvagn-Combat wagon-tank.

Markus

Let's leave the details aside. The combat unit was simply destroyed along with its crew. This is a loss. This is what both sides of the conflict are striving for.

[Skybird]

Sweden provided 10 or 12 Strv-122, I forgot the exact number. These are Leopard-2A5s in an slightly improved configuration and with some customer-ordered added modifications. They are "better" than the Leo-2A5 the Bundeswehr uses/used.

The tanks in Ukraine's arsenal are not driven by foreign tank crews, but (re)trained Ukrainians. Nobody has ever indicated that they allowed foreign crews in. Which makes sense.

Germany sent 18 Leopard-2A6.

Irak had its Comical Ali, Subsim enjoys the comedy program of Comical Iwan.

[Skybird]

Good analysis of Russia's future way. The German government no doubt has not gotten it.

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/auch-nach-dem-krieg-ist-distanz-zu-russland-die-einzige-moeglichkeit_id_208847500.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Rockstar]

We keep seeing things from WWII replayed in this war with greater frequency...
Russia making many new units that are never fully fielded, weapons from the last war, paratroopers that have never been in aircraft.

The Siegfried was a bunch of trenches and bunkers with dragons teeth it was to be manned and hold back the french, built in the 1930s it was a answer to the French Maginot line, but not nearly as well built. As WWII progressed guns were on the Siegfried line were stripped away the mines blew up over time, the trenches quickly filled with water, it was a mess. Those troops that were task to defend the trenches were sent away to other areas and killed on the front lines.

After 5 years of fighting only a small amount of the Siegfried line was manned and offered any defense.. the allies had already come up with a plan to quickly attack and breach the line. When the Allies came to the line they found the trenches MOSTLY empty with a few troops dug in without heavy cannons or mobile defense that had to just sit in a wet trench and let the allies come to them with more tanks and artillery then the Germans had anyplace. The mostly green troops, well dressed put up a heroic but short fight in some places.

Right now the Russians are stripping the 2rd, 3th, and 4th line of troops hoping to keep the Ukrainian Armed Forces from a break through.. this is evident by more and more units showing up in the front line of trenches.

Russia no longer has a defence in depth set up, and are risking everything by stripping away rear defensive lines to prevent a breakthrough from happening. In fact few rear area lines are now manned and the ones that are look to be by rear area troops, artillery troops and others not looking to fight.


(Hat tip: davidD)

[Skybird]

[CNN] Poland has prepared transit corridors that will allow Ukrainian grain shipments to move through its territory and reach the countries most in need, President Andrzej Duda said Sunday.The comments are notable because the Polish government has joined Hungary and Slovakia in extending a ban on cheap Ukrainian grain imports, which they say have undercut local farmers. Speaking Sunday, Duda said Poland will still help shipments reach their final destination, however.
During a speech at a Ukraine recovery summit on Friday, Duda said the grain dispute with Ukraine will not have a serious impact on the relations between the two countries, as they have a "historic dimension," according to state news agency PAP.


I aways wondered why they have not estalbished sealed railwaggon transports much earlier, that way no grain wopuld get in contact with the Polish market.

[mapuc]

I'm glad they have fixed this grain issue.

Yes It is WWII over again for the Russians, Only 1 riffle per 3rd person. The other two can pick one up from a dead Russian.

Don't know if they have machineguns in the rear-Preventing their soldiers to flee.

Markus

[tonschk]

NAZI dictator zelensky and justin trudeau give a Standing Ovation in the Canadian Parliament to a former member of the NAZI SS unit

House Speaker apologizes for honouring Ukrainian who fought with Nazi SS unit

The speaker of Canada's House of Commons, Anthony Rota, has apologised for praising a Ukrainian man who served in a Nazi SS unit during World War Two killing civilians jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMnxokpvP0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlBxRC4FHTs

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wb512Rt68&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2eRE8wB7KE&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Dargo]

[CNN] Poland has prepared transit corridors that will allow Ukrainian grain shipments to move through its territory and reach the countries most in need, President Andrzej Duda said Sunday.The comments are notable because the Polish government has joined Hungary and Slovakia in extending a ban on cheap Ukrainian grain imports, which they say have undercut local farmers. Speaking Sunday, Duda said Poland will still help shipments reach their final destination, however.
During a speech at a Ukraine recovery summit on Friday, Duda said the grain dispute with Ukraine will not have a serious impact on the relations between the two countries, as they have a "historic dimension," according to state news agency PAP.


I aways wondered why they have not estalbished sealed railwaggon transports much earlier, that way no grain wopuld get in contact with the Polish market.This problem is the fault of President Andrzej Duda and his government they ignored the problem and left Ukraine grain in the stores so that corrupt would sell it in Poland.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MDIMyRoX4

[Catfish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd4UQZ3igQY


A lot of things mentioned in the video, also the new generations being abused to become soldiers in the next decades. Abusing kids, that is.
For a claimed fighting against nazis, Putin has adopted most of it himself. The "Putin Jugend", no less.


Also seems the Wagner mercenaries Russia gets a beating by the Touaregs in Mali, some helicopters have been shot down and "Wagner" camps conquered.
Also a IL troop carrier has crashed in Mali, "accidentally" assassinating Wagner leaders left from the Putin purge.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slmufKrrV4

[Jimbuna]

Russian Black Sea fleet commander killed in Crimea, Ukraine claims

Ukraine has claimed it killed Adm Viktor Sokolov, the commander of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, along with 33 other officers, in one of Kyiv’s boldest attacks yet on the occupied peninsula of Crimea.

The Ukrainian military said Friday’s attack on the headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol was timed to coincide with a meeting of naval officials.

“After the strike on the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea fleet, 34 officers died, including the commander of the Russian Black Sea fleet. Another 105 occupiers were wounded. The headquarters building cannot be restored,” the special forces said on the Telegram messaging app.

The Russian defence ministry has not yet commented on Ukraine’s claim. Moscow has previously confirmed Ukraine’s attack but said that one serviceman was missing as a result of the attack.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-black-sea-fleet-commander-killed-in-crimea-ukraine-claims/ar-AA1heZs2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9eee289c2bdb4a1bac6035d393953530&ei=19

[Rockstar]

Regime Change in Russia Won’t Lead to Chaos or Collapse

History shows that a change of leader in Russia has almost always been accompanied not by civil strife, but by liberalization.

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/90622?utm_source=rssemail&utm_medium=email&mkt_tok=ODEzLVhZVS00MjIAAAGOazOTYcpqBWhmq_9-4fB7kJU1eujJ2HM_MWKXy6n9XZqeuNDmE5_nIMMuBWSDfBfAUy _MhB7rrn7S7gBWZz0RwQ9e6ZVHObHg-Qx5_EQ7

When President Vladimir Putin leaves office—however that happens—we will enter the post-Putin era. Much about this next period in Russian history is uncertain, and many fear what it could bring: perhaps a more brutal leader will emerge, perhaps Russia will disintegrate, or descend into chaos.

Such apocalyptic predictions appeared to find confirmation in the events of this summer, when Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin launched his short-lived rebellion. However, the resulting military showdown was not, actually, evidence of chaos; instead, the rebellion’s leaders quickly wound up dead, and its supporters either switched sides or disappeared into Russia’s vast expanses.

With suspicions running rife in the wake of the insurrection, the Russian elite was obliged to redouble their efforts to demonstrate loyalty to Putin. At the same time, most Russians remained—as ever—interested only in being left alone to get on with their lives. For those who have not been swept up in mobilization, or who prefer not to volunteer for the front, it seems sufficient to display imitation loyalty to the regime.

It’s odd to try and scare the world with the specter of a leader more terrible than Putin. What could be worse than the biggest military conflict in Europe of the twenty-first century, and greater repression in Russia than the late Soviet Union? Thanks to the Kremlin and a spineless elite, we’re already living in an anti-utopia.

Who is this future monster who would take the reins from Putin? Perhaps Security Council head and notorious hawk Nikolai Patrushev? But is he worse than Putin? He’s just one voice of the current regime; a spokesperson for conspiracy theories and anti-Americanism.

Would a military commander like the deceased Prigozhin be worse? Firstly, nobody would have heard of Prigozhin if he hadn’t first been nurtured by the Putin system, allocated billions in state money, and become the Kremlin’s most talented freelancer. Secondly, you need to have his charisma, business resources, and ability to get access to state money to be a serious threat to the authorities. There are simply no more such people.

Is a coup possible? It’s not in the political culture. To think that conspiracy is the most likely outcome is like seriously predicting mass protests because of falling living standards.

It’s important to remember in all this that any major anti-Putin street protest would be quashed within seconds by today’s police state. It would likely be over even quicker than the events of January 25, 1968, when police detained eight people protesting on Red Square against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. One of the police officers who wrote up dissident Pavel Litvinov that day uttered a phrase that would go down in history: “You fool—if you’d stayed at home, you’d have lived a peaceful life.” That’s exactly the message the authorities today are sending people.

And, even in an anti-utopia, Russia’s social fabric is not unraveling. Despite all the problems, the country’s economic system has remained relatively stable. Russian society’s ability to adapt was underestimated: alongside the indifference of most people to political events, a facility for adaptation helps ensure at least some support for the authorities.

Widespread indifference in Russia will help an orderly transition to a new regime: ordinary people will obey any ruler who appears to be legitimate. Beloved Putin will no longer be beloved as soon as a power transition takes place. That’s how it has always been.

Moreover, if we’re talking historical precedents, a change of leader in Russia has almost always been accompanied by liberalization, not bloody chaos (Khrushchev’s thaw after Stalin, Gorbachev’s perestroika after Brezhnev’s gerontocracy, and Yeltsin’s reforms after the end of the Soviet Union). Even power struggles at the top have not, historically speaking, tended to lead to chaos.

Notably, the collapse of the Soviet Union did not lead to really serious unrest in Russia. Most people were focused on survival, adapting, and—most importantly—taking advantage of the new opportunities. It’s true that the country witnessed a battle between the president and parliament that ended in a brief moment of civil war in October 1993. But most people were not involved, and accepted the side that won. In short, there is nothing to indicate that Russia’s upcoming power transition, which will happen sooner or later, is fated to lead to a more hawkish regime, or to chaos.

Another bogeyman promoted by some analysts is the disintegration of Russia. But this is even less likely than civil strife or the emergence of a leader worse than Putin. The rush for sovereignty in Russia in the early 1990s was the result of regions trying to survive amid the trials of constructing a new economy, and new state institutions. When we remember the 1990s, we often forget the huge challenges facing the government: from the lack of state agencies and a bureaucracy, to empty coffers.

There are compelling economic, budgetary, and political-management reasons why Russia will not disintegrate in the post-Putin era. Russia is not a particularly rich country, and wealth inequality is compounded by regional inequality—making many regions dependent on federal subsidies. In short, regional economies cannot survive on their own, and leaving the Russian Federation would cause serious problems.

If there is an appetite among regional leaders for independence, it exists only in Russia’s national republics—but, again, most of these are net recipients of subsidies, and get political investment in exchange for ensuring social calm (it’s no coincidence that the amount of money going into the budget of the occupied port city of Sevastopol in Crimea rose 54 percent in the first half of 2023).

In addition, recent years have seen regional leaders transformed into technocrats whose every move is closely controlled by the federal center. They depend on Moscow for everything, and are accountable to the Kremlin—not the local people. All such regional leaders aspire to get a plum job in the federal government, not to become a powerful local leader.

You have to give the Kremlin its due: it’s been successful in creating a system populated by loyal technocrats who see themselves as temporary managers who can be hired or fired at will. This is an insurance policy against regional separatism.

A relatively optimistic scenario for a power transition is one in which Putin’s successor is a technocrat. It’s not a given that he will be replaced by someone often tipped for the role (from Patrushev’s son, Agriculture Minister Dmitry Patrushev, to United Russia leader Andrei Turchak, State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin, or Kremlin deputy chief of staff Sergei Kiriyenko). It could just as easily be someone like Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin (the second most trusted politician in Russia, according to Levada Center polling) or Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin. Mishustin and Sobyanin have both striven to preserve their reputations as pragmatic managers.

Given the gradual, inevitable exhaustion of Putin’s governance model—financially, socially, economically, psychologically, and politically—a technocratic or temporary leader will need to be able to ensure a transition toward normalization. There’s no way things can be worse…

By: Andrei Kolesnikov

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[mapuc]

Ukraine has insert every soldiers they have-Says a majority of my right wing friends.

Said to them that Ukraine has only inserted around 50-60 % of their total military.

Markus

[August]

Ukraine has insert every soldiers they have-Says a majority of my right wing friends.

Said to them that Ukraine has only inserted around 50-60 % of their total military.

Markus


We should find out soon which is true I think. They are just about through the Russian defenses and we will see if they still have the forces they'll need to exploit the breakthroughs.

[tonschk]

Sen. Rand Paul CHASTISES Ukraine AID In Government Spending Plan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SympEOWHWwY

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHWGBg7H0k

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ayZQrfBug

[tonschk]

GOOD NEWS, FINISHING OFF THE REMAINING UKRANIAN NAZIS WITH VACCINES,

FORCED COMPULSORY VACCINATION IN UKRAINE REGIME BEGINS OCT 1ST

https://www.bitchute.com/video/X4hsT6RJa5CW/

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309261716000320.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309261716000320.png)

[Jimbuna]

Just shows the world who the real nazis are.

[Dargo]

Especially among mobilized Russian civilians, many are now dying on the battlefield
Since the partial mobilization of the Russian population, at least 3,721 deaths have occurred among this group. Thirties in particular often die, and in reality the death toll will be much higher, according to figures from media organization Mediazona. There are currently more battlefield deaths among mobilized Russians than in any other group on the Russian side. During the summer months, at least about 60 mobilized soldiers died every week. A total of at least 3,721 deaths occurred among mobilized civilians, according to the latest inventory by media organization Mediazona. Russia decided a year ago to partially mobilize its civilian population, calling up an estimated 300,000 men. Of them, therefore, 1.2 percent have now died.

In reality, the death toll will be a lot higher, since Mediazona records a death only if an obituary is found. By counting in this way, it is known that a total of 32,656 Russians died at the front. Based on an analysis of excess deaths, Mediazona suspects that the actual number of deaths was about 47,000. In the first months of the war, mostly professional soldiers died, mostly from the poor Russian provinces in the south and east of the country. The following months saw many casualties among Wagner's commercial mercenary army. That period - August 2022 through May 2023 - also saw many deaths among former prisoners, who were sent into the trenches under Wagner's rule in such places as the hard-fought town of Bachmut. After the failed march on Moscow and Wagner's implosion, deaths among both prisoners and Wagner's troops have been minimal. Mobilized soldiers make up the bulk of casualties in recent months. Most mobilized soldiers are between the ages of 25 and 35, according to a survey by the Russian Istories and Conflict Intelligence Team (CIT). There are also many casualties among mobilized soldiers in poor regions such as Buryatia and Sverdlovsk.

https://www.demorgen.be/oorlog-in-oekraine/vooral-onder-gemobiliseerde-russische-burgers-vallen-nu-veel-doden-op-het-slagveld~b2f0002e/

[Dargo]

Russian media reports that the Russian Army has managed to shoot down a Ukrainian Storm Shadow missile, killing the British crew.

How will Great Britain recover from these horrific news? https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1706438526638625043 :har:

[mapuc]

Russian media reports that the Russian Army has managed to shoot down a Ukrainian Storm Shadow missile, killing the British crew.

How will Great Britain recover from these horrific news? https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1706438526638625043 :har:

:timeout::har::har:

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Russian media reports that the Russian Army has managed to shoot down a Ukrainian Storm Shadow missile, killing the British crew.

How will Great Britain recover from these horrific news? https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1706438526638625043 :har:

With great difficulty one should imagine :hmmm:

[Commander Wallace]

With great difficulty one should imagine :hmmm:


I wonder if Russia was able to shoot down the Storm Shadow Missile with another Submarine. :03:

[Jimbuna]

I wonder if Russia was able to shoot down the Storm Shadow Missile with another Submarine. :03:

Nice one :)

[Dargo]

Within this attritional approach, the Ukrainian military has employed effective combined arms at a small unit level that is not seen in U.S. forces. Based on simulations that lack context and the friction of war, the U.S. Army has been moving toward centralizing assets in a manner similar to France’s methodical battle of the 1930s. This approach will continue to slow decision-making and operational tempo. When situations at the front change, soldiers will need to wait for the prolonged planning processes of headquarters removed from the fight to make a decision. They waste precious minutes and will risk being overrun as they call for a fire mission that is routed from battalion, to brigade, to division, then back down to a divisional artillery headquarters, a field artillery battalion, and finally a firing battery. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian military has decentralized to an impressive degree with unmanned aerial systems tied into platoon operations and artillery working on demand with an Uber-like app. The Ukrainian approach is a much quicker and more flexible form of warfare than the centralized target working groups and 72-hour air tasking orders that drive American operations.

A further critique has been that “Ukraine hasn’t been able to master combined arms warfare at scale.” Instead of attempting a single, massed breakthrough, they are attacking along three axes in dispersed attacks. Soviet interwar theorists, such as Aleksandr Svechin and Vladimir Triandafillov, examined the difficulty of overcoming a continuous defense in depth. They recognized the value of multiple axes of attack to prevent an enemy from massing their operational reserves on a single breakthrough. They highlighted the Brusilov offensive in 1916 as an example of a broad front offensive with multiple breakthroughs that overwhelmed the Austro-Hungarian reserves. Ukraine is attempting a similar approach, which is even more appropriate given the contemporary threat of Russian unmanned aerial systems providing observation for concentrated artillery fires on any massing of Ukrainian forces. https://warontherocks.com/2023/09/biting-off-what-it-can-chew-ukraine-understands-its-attritional-context/

Interesting read By Maj. Robert G. Rose, U.S. Army, is the operations officer for 3rd Squadron, 4th Security Forces Assistance Brigade.

[Skybird]

It seems Switzerland has cleared the way to sell two dozen Leopard 2s to Rheinmetall, who will refurbish them and then they should go to Ukraine.

[Dargo]

Looks like this could be a hot autumn Russian channels report about a heavy escalation in the Zaporizhzhia region near Verbove and Novoprokopivka Armed Forces of Ukraine are on the assault.

[mapuc]

Looks like this could be a hot autumn Russian channels report about a heavy escalation in the Zaporizhzhia region near Verbove and Novoprokopivka Armed Forces of Ukraine are on the assault.

Now I await following: Russian fleeing in panic from Verbove and Novopro...

Markus

[Dargo]

Now I await following: Russian fleeing in panic from Verbove and Novopro...

MarkusIf those Russian Airborne Forces start retreating yes it will be panic, but those Russian Airborne Forces are good fighters all depends on if they get enough support hope Ukraine has disturbed that enough in the last of couple weeks.

[mapuc]

Ukrainian forces have adapted. Ukraine’s military decision-making is sound. Now is not the time for Western doubt but for the West to embrace Ukraine’s way of war and commit to sustaining Ukraine’s initiative on the battlefield.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/it%E2%80%99s-time-west-embrace-ukraine%E2%80%99s-way-war-not-doubt-it

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WILp_Uu6buA&ab_channel=DivineJustice

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

6mn 30sec Hiroshima by Russians! :haha: Von der La Hyène! sure in RT we trust! YES!

https://youtu.be/8C5byVupxzM?t=49

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AM29n0BwEY

[Jimbuna]

The Orcs in all their glory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsAOkY9rvLM

[em2nought]

So now I'm hearing that "we" need to pay to rebuild Ukraine. :har:

[Exocet25fr]

NORMAL....!:yep:

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFGmZycLves&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Russia hints peace with Ukraine possible as Putin ally Lavrov shares terms for end of war

Russia's top diplomat suggested the country is ready to consider peace negotiations with Ukraine should Kyiv meet its key condition.

Sergey Lavrov over the weekend gave the first major indication that Moscow is prepared to end the war after 19 months.

He noted the Kremlin would recognize Ukraine's borders before the invasion if President Volodymyr Zelensky and his Government backtracked on plans to join NATO or any other military alliance.

During an outing on Saturday, Lavrov said that the Kremlin "recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine on the basis of the Declaration of Independence which it adopted upon leaving the USSR."

The Foreign Affairs Minister added: "One of the main points for us was that Ukraine would be a non-aligned country and would not enter into any military alliances.

"Under those conditions, we support the territorial integrity of this state."

Ukrainian neutrality has long been a matter of contention between Kyiv and Russia, with the latter's attempts to increasingly align itself with the European Union and other Western nations repeatedly thwarted by Moscow.

"Ukraine's 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty does indeed proclaim Ukraine to be a 'permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs'," George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government professor Mark N. Katz said.
He told Newsweek: "Lavrov's statement, then, does imply that Moscow would recognize Ukraine's 1990 borders if Ukraine foreswore membership in NATO."

Vladimir Putin cited NATO's alleged expansionistic plot as a key factor in his decision to launch what he first called a "special operation" into Ukraine.

However, the conflict has only exacerbated Zelensky's commitment to join NATO and his bid has since won the support of several members.

Lavrov's statement, while offering a glimmer of hope for peace, does not address what is likely to long remain a sticking point between Kyiv and Moscow - the future of Crimea.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-hints-peace-with-ukraine-possible-as-putin-ally-lavrov-shares-terms-for-end-of-war/ar-AA1hlKUL?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cb65a5ab7aac4f5ca73b70565c783ad3&ei=16

[mapuc]

!!?? Why this change in demand for Peace by the Russians !!??

Until some days ago the demand was that Crimea, Luhansk and Donbas should be part of Russia if they would agree on a peace treaty.

And now they going to accept the 90-91 Border.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Believe nothing attributed to the Russians.

[Skybird]

Militarily things currently work against them, they want time to take a deep breath and reorganize. I do not believe this gangster one single syllable.


The offensive had a superheavy start, but now things flip and flop and do samba in their favour.



:yeah:

[Catfish]

Putin can end his war of aggression anytime, he just has to leave Ukraine. But speaking about peace and giving land to Russia?
In a further context we will see Putin or the next russian dictator doing the same stunt in a few years when he has rearmed and improved his military. In the meantime Russia's little green men will be everywhere in Ukraine.
I take it it is in the US' interest not to stop the war before Sevastopol is in Ukraine's hands.
But this is alone Ukraine's decision.

[Jeff-Groves]

I'd demand an unconditional surrender by Russia.

[Catfish]

^ hmm. This means Putin will continue to brain-wash and militarize kids and breed a new Hitler Putin Jugend that will continue the fight when they reach the age.
Better would be a crash of the whole russian Mafia gangster system. Maybe it will not happen, but when the war gets on long enough an the sh!t hits Moscow and St. Petersburg.. who knows.

[Commander Wallace]

Militarily things currently work against them, they want time to take a deep breath and reorganize. I do not believe this gangster one single syllable.

The offensive had a superheavy start, but now things flip and flop and do samba in their favour.


:yeah:

I agree with you and Catfish. Russia is just playing for time to reorganize and rearm and hope the armament factories in Russia get up to speed and hope he can stay in power. Russia and Putrid already sold himself out to China and that little happy meal eating, fat man in North Korea, essentially begging for outdated munitions. Russia will be back in force then as any agreement with Russia is worthless. Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia in addition to Sweden and Finland have no trust for Russia nor does most of the world.

Putrid is a war criminal as well as Russia. Russia is afraid of advanced weapons coming to the Ukraine like long range rockets, Abrams tanks and F-16 fighter jets. This is entirely up to the Ukraine but I would keep going. Russia would have to make war reparations and turn over Putrid and his other war criminals which will never happen.

[tonschk]

CANADA PARLIAMENT SPEAKER EMBARASSINGLY QUIT AND RESIGN AFTER WELCOMING A UKRAINIAN NAZI SS INTO COMMONS AND CALLING HIM `HERO`
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN52qR_Pmbc

[Commander Wallace]

CANADA PARLIAMENT SPEAKER EMBARASSINGLY QUIT AND RESIGN AFTER WELCOMING A UKRAINIAN NAZI SS INTO COMMONS AND CALLING HIM `HERO`
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN52qR_Pmbc


We heard you the first few times you said this. Give it a rest and or come up with something new. Russia and Putin are the real " Nazi's."

[Jimbuna]

We heard you the first few times you said this. Give it a rest and or come up with something new. Russia and Putin are the real " Nazi's."

I wouldn't even bother replying just like the vast majority of sensible members in our community.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDneM_2Bsg0

[Commander Wallace]

I wouldn't even bother replying just like the vast majority of sensible members in our community.


You're very right. Agreed. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zETfM9pQeu4

[Exocet25fr]

Russia to raise defence spending by almost 70 percent next year

Russia said Thursday that it plans to raise defence spending by almost 70 percent next year, funnelling massive resources into its Ukraine offensive to fight what it calls a "hybrid war" unleashed by the West. With Moscow's "special military operation" now approaching another winter, both sides have been digging deep and procuring weapons from allies in preparation for a protracted conflict.

Poland says missile that killed two in 2022 was Ukrainian

A missile that killed two people in a Polish village in November, raising fears of a dangerous spike in the Ukraine conflict, belonged to Kyiv’s forces, according to Poland’s justice minister. Two workers at a grain drying facility died in the blast in Przewodow, some six kilometres from the Ukrainian border, raising fears of an escalation in the war between Moscow and Kyiv. But Warsaw and the NATO military alliance, of which Poland is member, later said the explosion was likely caused by a Ukrainian air-defence missile launched to intercept a Russian barrage.

Russian shelling damaged thermal power plant in southern Ukraine, says grid operator

Russian shelling damaged a thermal power plant in southern Ukraine late on Wednesday, Ukraine's national grid operator said on Thursday. State-run Ukrenergo gave no other details about the location of the plant or the extent of the damage. "Yesterday evening a thermal power plant in the southern region was damaged as a result of massive enemy shelling," Ukrenergo said.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230928-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-ukrainian-air-defences-shoot-down-dozens-of-drones-launched-by-russia-overnight

[Jeff-Groves]

I like how you cherry picked from that link.
:har:

[Jimbuna]

Putin will have to release some of his stolen billions before that could happen.

[Jimbuna]

I like how you cherry picked from that link.
:har:

Par for the course Jeff and always has been.

Personally speaking I don't read the crap posted unless I receive a complaint.

[Exocet25fr]

Are you nervous ? :):yep::yeah:

[Jeff-Groves]

Par for the course Jeff and always has been.

Personally speaking I don't read the crap posted unless I receive a complaint.
It's like going to the Fair to see the Freaks Jim.
Sometimes you can help but look.
:haha:

[Exocet25fr]

Ukrainian fighters break humanitarian truce

Kiev’s forces opened fire on Russian troops despite having previously agreed to a temporary ceasefire. Russian and Ukrainian forces near the city of Kremennaya in Russia’s Lugansk People’s Republic managed to establish a temporary humanitarian truce, only to see it broken by the Ukrainian side.
That brigade leaders from both sides agreed to a ceasefire that would last from 9am to 7pm to allow both forces to collect the bodies of the dead that had been left in neutral ground. However, Ukrainian troops then began dragging trees and logs to their trenches and fortifying their positions. Approximately 40 minutes later, as soon as Russian evacuation groups moved out, the Ukrainian forces, sitting in their fortified trenches, opened fire using howitzers and mortars.

https://www.rt.com/russia/583728-ukraine-violates-humanitarian-truce/

[August]

Ukrainian fighters break humanitarian truce

Kiev’s forces opened fire on Russian troops despite having previously agreed to a temporary ceasefire. Russian and Ukrainian forces near the city of Kremennaya in Russia’s Lugansk People’s Republic managed to establish a temporary humanitarian truce, only to see it broken by the Ukrainian side.
That brigade leaders from both sides agreed to a ceasefire that would last from 9am to 7pm to allow both forces to collect the bodies of the dead that had been left in neutral ground. However, Ukrainian troops then began dragging trees and logs to their trenches and fortifying their positions. Approximately 40 minutes later, as soon as Russian evacuation groups moved out, the Ukrainian forces, sitting in their fortified trenches, opened fire using howitzers and mortars.

https://www.rt.com/russia/583728-ukraine-violates-humanitarian-truce/




I'll bet there was no truce either negotiated or agreed upon. This is pure Russian propaganda rubbish. Especially given the fact that the Russians callously tend to leave their dead and wounded where they fell. Going out in no mans land to pick up bodies is just not how your pals operate.

The story doesn't even make sense. Think about it. Infantry fortifying front line trenches do not have mortars and howitzers to open fire with. They have rifles and machine guns. Artillery always comes from behind the front lines.

Besides both sides in a war always fortify their positions during temporary truces or any lulls in the fighting. Always has been that way. They take advantage of the lack of incoming fire to fortify, reinforce and resupply.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb1fYymPaIQ&ab_channel=DivineJustice

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXP8vvJDjAo

[Skybird]

[Die Welt] The partial successes of Ukraine in its counteroffensive against the Russian military are overestimated, according to an expert. "Individual lines of defense of the Russians are being overcome with losses, but so far there has never been a real breach of the dam," the Ukraine expert of the Austrian Armed Forces, Markus Reisner, told the Deutsche Presse-Agentur. "All alarm bells should be ringing that after 117 days of counteroffensive, no operational breakthrough has yet been achieved."

Overall, he said, Ukraine is receiving too little war materiel, including to defend itself against Russian air strikes in the hinterland. "Only with increased air defense would hits on critical infrastructure be minimized." If the country's power supply were to suffer severe damage again, the backbone for defense production would also break away, he said.

"Actually, four to five fully loaded freight trains with war material should roll into Ukraine every week," Reisner said. While the U.S. is very aware of the difficult situation, in the EU the perception of what is happening is inadequate, he said. "Europe is about to miss the moment when we are no longer in control and the situation tilts in favor of the Russians," the colonel said. Ukraine's allies have only partially fulfilled their promises on war materiel, he said. The effectiveness of the Leopard 2 tanks, for example, has also been less than expected, he said. Of the 90 or so tanks of this type delivered, at least a third were destroyed or damaged, he said.

Overall, the losses on both sides were alarmingly high. Reisner considers the figures of about 160,000 Russians killed and 140,000 Russians wounded recently cited by the "New York Times" with reference to U.S. military circles to be credible. On the Ukrainian side, the losses are estimated at 80,000 dead and 120,000 wounded. On top of that, Kiev has lost 4500 military vehicles, Moscow about 12,300, the expert said, referring to the independent platform Oryx, which tries to record every vehicle through photos.

[Jimbuna]

Putin to stage first nationwide exercise simulating nuclear attack from the West
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-to-stage-first-nationwide-exercise-simulating-nuclear-attack-from-the-west/ar-AA1hqPf8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2a0e7b6b26054b709aaa95caaad636b9&ei=12#image=AA1hqFTl|1

I tire of the same old nuclear rhetoric :hmmm:

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LsUL3axbjg&ab_channel=TimesRadio

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyO1GgKzA-M&ab_channel=SkyNews

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cswRYdfUAnw

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34j8r2wgTRA

[Exocet25fr]

Soon the sea in visual...!? :haha:

Russian lines stronger than West expected, admits British defence chief

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-defensive-lines-stronger-than-west-expected-admits-british-defence-chief-xjlvqrm86


French media today: France doesn't give weapons anymore, ukrainians will pay now!

[Dargo]

Soon the sea in visual...!? :haha:

Russian lines stronger than West expected, admits British defence chief

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-defensive-lines-stronger-than-west-expected-admits-british-defence-chief-xjlvqrm86


French media today: France doesn't give weapons anymore, ukrainians will pay now!Like I said before in this thread, the weapons to Ukraine are not given Ukraine pays in some way you already see several countries getting contracts to produce weapons other ways will be influence thinking we give it all away is simple but seeing your posting it is a fact for you. On the "Russian lines stronger than West expected" boi you late we already know that for at least two months that is why Ukraine changed plans for the offensive and that is so far a success the trend is against the Russians that lose a lot of equipment.

Military aid to Ukraine gives a shot in the arm to the U.S. economy (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/military-aid-to-ukraine-gives-a-shot-in-the-arm-to-the-u-s-economy-870c7c53)

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cswRYdfUAnw
00:10:00 on: Thats what I said already last year when the talking about tanks came up: that these tanks are made to kill other tanks, but that tank-on-tank alömpost enver occurs in the ukraine war and that therefore the Western tanks tactical weight may show to have been overestimated.
In case of the german doctrine of the past at last this was especially clear, the ammo loadout of Bundeswehr MBTs was very much focused on tank busting and often the tanks had just two rounds: KE (Sabot, a kinetic round), and HEAT (Explosive Anti-Tank), which may be explosive but again is optimised for overcoming and penetrating armour - again soft targets and infantry and houses it is less effective. American and British tanks always had a bigger variety of available ammo for different purposes than just tank busting, for example especially against dig in infantry, houses, and so forth.

Alkso, since the Western tanks are designed for tank busting, their prtection against incoming fire focusses on the vector folowed by travelling rounds from an enemy tank: thus, the sides of hull and turret, all aspects, is hardened, while belly and roof are significvntly less armoured, because an enemy tank hardly gets a shot off against these. Now these tanks face drones from above, artillery from above and mines from the bottom.

Also, the geography in the Ukrainian battle spaces and terrain is not what it would have been in the North-German plains.


I also expect that the tanks in Ukraine face an amount of wear and tear that their designers probably did not expect, and not over such an extend period of time. This is complex kit, the logistics must be nightmare for ukraine - multiplied by three (Leo, Chally, Abrams).

[Catfish]

I wonder how long an Abrams will last in these conditions, and I do not even mean enemy influence :03:

[Jeff-Groves]

French media today: France doesn't give weapons anymore, ukrainians will pay now!
Sources say France has demanded 10,000,000 White Flags as payment for weapons shipped to Ukraine.
"We are preparing to surrender to Russia ahead of time. We do not wish to be caught short of white flags as We were at the Invasion during WWII!"

[mapuc]

Got this bad feelings that Ukraine will not manage to retake the occupied areas back.

I hope they will manage to do so, but got this bad feeling.

Markus

[Dargo]

Got this bad feelings that Ukraine will not manage to retake the occupied areas back.

I hope they will manage to do so, but got this bad feeling.

MarkusI do not see this happen, certainly not this year or Ukraine must do something we do not know they will not without airpower to retake large areas. Now they only use mainly infantry, but that is not gone work they lack about a million infanterist Russia is defending, that is always easier and in the Robotyne area Russians best troops defending.

[Catfish]

They need what the west did not give them, and probably never will.
"Roasting the frog" and all that. The US is happy to see Russia bleed, Europe is ridiculous, even Germany gives more than the UK meanwhile, but of course it all is still not enough.
It is an insult to ask why Ukraine's offensive does not move forward fast enough, when none of your own people and military has to take the risk.
Ukraine needs air superiority and feet on the ground. And while all know this is the only move that will end the russian Mafia's war, all sit back and enjoy the show. Honestly disgusting.

Still, I believe Ukraine will win in the end. I just hope the way it will, and how the west acted, will be reflected in some history books.

[Commander Wallace]

Sources say France has demanded 10,000,000 White Flags as payment for weapons shipped to Ukraine.
"We are preparing to surrender to Russia ahead of time. We do not wish to be caught short of white flags as We were at the Invasion during WWII!"




:har::har:

[mapuc]

They need what the west did not give them, and probably never will.
"Roasting the frog" and all that. The US is happy to see Russia bleed, Europe is ridiculous, even Germany gives more than the UK meanwhile, but of course it all is still not enough.
It is an insult to ask why Ukraine's offensive does not move forward fast enough, when none of your own people and military has to take the risk.
Ukraine needs air superiority and feet on the ground. And while all know this is the only move that will end the russian Mafia's war, all sit back and enjoy the show. Honestly disgusting.

Still, I believe Ukraine will win in the end. I just hope the way it will, and how the west acted, will be reflected in some history books.

Russia did it in Donbas and Luhansk-Sending Russian troops without any flag emblem on their left shoulder-So why can't we do the same-Sending thousands of NATO troops to Ukraine without this flag emblem.

Telling Putler that they are volunteers.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

They need what the west did not give them, and probably never will.
"Roasting the frog" and all that. The US is happy to see Russia bleed, Europe is ridiculous, even Germany gives more than the UK meanwhile, but of course it all is still not enough.
It is an insult to ask why Ukraine's offensive does not move forward fast enough, when none of your own people and military has to take the risk.
Ukraine needs air superiority and feet on the ground. And while all know this is the only move that will end the russian Mafia's war, all sit back and enjoy the show. Honestly disgusting.

Still, I believe Ukraine will win in the end. I just hope the way it will, and how the west acted, will be reflected in some history books.

Can't disagree with that.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_q-bZOZy8

[tonschk]

As Ukraine offensive collapses, US tries to drum up support for war at G20

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/09/09/ooed-s09.html

Three months later, Ukraine’s offensive has ended in a debacle, failing to achieve any of its objectives, measuring its episodic advances in mere yards and meters, while desperately sacrificing tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, and losing hundreds of US and NATO armored vehicles. Billions of dollars in aid have been squandered and stolen by Ukrainian officials and Kiev’s defense minister has been fired.

This is the context in which US President Joe Biden, the doddering master strategist of this bloody disaster, has arrived at the G20 summit in New Delhi, India, in an effort to bolster international support for the proxy war with Russia in Ukraine and, at the same time, deepen the military and economic offensive against China.

[Jimbuna]

Does Putin really think Russians are THAT gullible?

In a move that has left many scratching their heads, Russian state media recently aired a video praising President Vladimir Putin's policies in Kaliningrad.

The catch? The footage was actually of the Polish city of Elblag, not Kaliningrad.

This isn't the first time Russian state media has made such a glaring mistake. From false claims about shooting down 'shadow missiles' to manipulated photos of deceased soldiers, the list is growing.

But this latest incident has many wondering: does Putin really think Russians are that gullible?

These repeated missteps are eroding public trust not just in the media but also in the Russian government. If the aim is to bolster national pride or paint a rosy picture of the state of affairs, these blunders are doing just the opposite.

Do you think these errors are simply oversights, or is there a calculated effort to mislead the public? And more importantly, does Putin really think Russians will fall for this?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/does-putin-really-think-russians-are-that-gullible/ar-AA1hubP2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=13375bded6bd4cccb5c78bc308702fa9&ei=22#image=1

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlRpNu7iCBA

[tonschk]

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https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/09/21/ukraine-faces-a-long-war-a-change-of-course-is-needed

The war in Ukraine has repeatedly confounded expectations. It is now doing so again. The counter-offensive that began in June was based on the hope that Ukrainian soldiers, equipped with modern Western weapons and after training in Germany, would recapture enough territory to put their leaders in a strong position at any subsequent negotiations.

This plan is not working. Despite heroic efforts and breaches of Russian defences near Robotyne, Ukraine has liberated less than 0.25% of the territory that Russia occupied in June. The 1,000km front line has barely shifted. Ukraine’s army could still make a breakthrough in the coming weeks, triggering the collapse of brittle Russian forces. But on the evidence of the past three months, it would be a mistake to bank on that.

[Skybird]

For once a good link by tschonk, I was just about posting it myself.

[mapuc]

For once a good link by tschonk, I was just about posting it myself.

Now, if the Ukrainians got what they asked for wouldn't this be a gamechanger in their offensive ?

From what I have read the Ukrainian has only got less than half of what they asked for.

Then we have the manpower-Here they have to fix this by them self.

Markus

[Dargo]

Now, if the Ukrainians got what they asked for wouldn't this be a gamechanger in their offensive ?

From what I have read the Ukrainian has only got less than half of what they asked for.

Then we have the manpower-Here they have to fix this by them self.

MarkusNo warfare has no Holy Writ planning an offensive can always go horrible wrong same as it did in WWI, WWII and other wars the plans did not bring the result they wanted to achieve for several reasons. This goes for both sides, mistakes are made Russia did not expect the Ukraine spirit to resist (If they looked at their own history they could know this.) Ukraine did not expect the Surovikin line so heavily mined and costly to break. War is not a matter of destroying the enemy materially and physically (although that may play a role), but of unsettling the enemy psychologically (the psyche of the enemy leaders, therefore, becomes a centre of gravity).

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqPQOsc81Q

[Dargo]

Russians use their artillery sparringly due to shortage of barrels

"As artillery officers from the headquarters of the Northern Military District told us, now the artillery barrel production resource is about 80%, and this explains the low artillery support of our defending units. They save the resource of barrels to deter the enemy in the event of a big breakthrough.

New barrels are not arriving, since the technology for their mass production is almost lost. Now they are removing barrels from equipment that is located at storage bases that have a service life of at least 50%.

Of course, we will fulfill our tasks, but where is the role and place of Shoigu-Gerasimov in forecasting this issue before the start of the SVO.

Now, because of this miscalculation, the guys are paying with their lives, and the troops have switched from offensive to defensive." https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1707821025268830525?t=0xMcUsSTgIMOL2vGk0GkDA&s=19

[Catfish]

Does Putin really think Russians are THAT gullible?

In a move that has left many scratching their heads, Russian state media recently aired a video praising President Vladimir Putin's policies in Kaliningrad.
The catch? The footage was actually of the Polish city of Elblag, not Kaliningrad.

This isn't the first time Russian state media has made such a glaring mistake. From false claims about shooting down 'shadow missiles' to manipulated photos of deceased soldiers, the list is growing.

But this latest incident has many wondering: does Putin really think Russians are that gullible? [...]

After seeing what russian anchormen spill out in russian tv and what some russian moms said about their sons who died (despising them! and saying something like "I will breed more so the war can be won") i honestly think russians are becoming insane.

[mapuc]

Russians use their artillery sparringly due to shortage of barrels

"As artillery officers from the headquarters of the Northern Military District told us, now the artillery barrel production resource is about 80%, and this explains the low artillery support of our defending units. They save the resource of barrels to deter the enemy in the event of a big breakthrough.

New barrels are not arriving, since the technology for their mass production is almost lost. Now they are removing barrels from equipment that is located at storage bases that have a service life of at least 50%.

Of course, we will fulfill our tasks, but where is the role and place of Shoigu-Gerasimov in forecasting this issue before the start of the SVO.

Now, because of this miscalculation, the guys are paying with their lives, and the troops have switched from offensive to defensive." https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1707821025268830525?t=0xMcUsSTgIMOL2vGk0GkDA&s=19

Haven't Russia made some agreement with North Korea ? Seem to recall something about NK sending lots of shells to Russia.

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

Russia's Medvedev promises new conquests as Zelenskyy aims to attract arms allies

"By defending our fellow citizens in Donbass and ‘New Russia’, we are defending Russia itself and fighting for our homeland, our sovereignty, for our spiritual values ​​and our unity,” Putin said.

At the end of September 2022, after the organisation of so-called ‘referendums’ deemed fictitious by Kiev and the West, Vladimir Putin approved the annexation of the Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Lugansk in the east, as well as those of Zaporizhia and Kherson in the south.

These annexations have triggered condemnation from Ukraine and its Western supporters, who consider them to be “illegal”.

30 September was declared as a “reunification day” by Vladimir Putin.

However, Russia only partially controls these regions and faces a counter-offensive from Ukraine, which seeks to retake them.


https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/30/ukraine-war-zelenskyy-hopes-to-attract-arms-manufacturers-as-troops-claim-advances-in-bakh

[Skybird]

From what I have read the Ukrainian has only got less than half of what they asked for.
Not even that. Depending on weapon category, they got short of a third to just one fifth of what Salushnji asked for.

They have a manpower problem, too, no doubt. They fight against a high numerical superiority of Russian troops, with Russia having a much bigger population.

[mapuc]

Not even that. Depending on weapon category, they got short of a third to just one fifth of what Salushnji asked for.

They have a manpower problem, too, no doubt. They fight against a high numerical superiority of Russian troops, with Russia having a much bigger population.

If some of you are correct in what you have stated during our discussion, even Russia has a limitation on how many soldiers they can mobilize.

Putin would never take reserves from Moscow or St. Petersborg.

Even if Putin could take reserves from the entire country he need to keep an amount as a back-up reserve.
It would be suicide to send all you have of manpower into the war in Ukraine and let the backdoor be unguarded.

Markus

[Dargo]

Haven't Russia made some agreement with North Korea ? Seem to recall something about NK sending lots of shells to Russia.

MarkusYou can only shoot so many shells till barrels needs to replaced/refurbished their shortage of barrels and losing daily great numbers of artillery does not help Russia today.

[mapuc]

You can only shoot so many shells till barrels needs to replaced/refurbished their shortage of barrels and losing daily great numbers of artillery does not help Russia today.

I stand corrected-Never gave it a thought

Markus

[Dargo]

If some of you are correct in what you have stated during our discussion, even Russia has a limitation on how many soldiers they can mobilize.

Putin would never take reserves from Moscow or St. Petersborg.

Even if Putin could take reserves from the entire country he need to keep an amount as a back-up reserve.
It would be suicide to send all you have of manpower into the war in Ukraine and let the backdoor be unguarded.

MarkusNote on those new conscripts they are not sent to Ukraine directly after training, they need themselves sign contract to go. Finnish border ‘pretty empty’ of Russian troops, says Helsinki, so that tells you a lot of the effect of the Russian forces this is not only on the Finland borders btw. you can have a thousand of soldiers in the fight but when you lead them bad or do not provide them with the needed tools and support they can not win how many you send Russia has lost this long ago it only delaying its defeat. Russia can never win in Ukraine if in a scenario they would Russia would bleed to dead securing it and for its economic rebuild Ukraine would guerrilla Russia for decades (They did this after WWII for years against the mighty Red Army even after Stalin's dead Ukraine will never surrender).

[mapuc]

Note on those new conscripts they are not sent to Ukraine directly after training, they need themselves sign contract to go. Finnish border ‘pretty empty’ of Russian troops, says Helsinki, so that tells you a lot of the effect of the Russian forces this is not only on the Finland borders btw. you can have a thousand of soldiers in the fight but when you lead them bad or do not provide them with the needed tools and support they can not win how many you send Russia has lost this long ago it only delaying its defeat. Russia can never win in Ukraine if in a scenario they would Russia would bleed to dead securing it and for its economic rebuild Ukraine would guerrilla Russia for decades (They did this after WWII for years against the mighty Red Army even after Stalin's dead Ukraine will never surrender).

Sounds like they are in a deadlock, where both side hasn't what it need to win the war in the near future or never.

And I must say time is against Ukraine-I read more and more negative comment among my friends when it comes to give aid to Ukraine.

Markus

[Dargo]

Sounds like they are in a deadlock, where both side hasn't what it need to win the war in the near future or never.

And I must say time is against Ukraine-I read more and more negative comment among my friends when it comes to give aid to Ukraine.

MarkusThis will go on for a long time, maybe when Putin dies Russia can find a way out of this FUBAR as for the support this already getting signs of big business more and more countries gone make deals to produce for this war or give Ukraine licence to produce their weapons.

Why I say Russia does not win this is because it did not change OK they adapt on the fronts but that does Ukraine also an action results in a reaction, but Russia is still ruled by Mafiosi the corruption is so high that ammo is delivered on the fronts without explosion inside somewhere it is stolen or never filled that will never change it was there in the tsar time in the USSR and today. Russia will never have a good tsar the system is build that any leader has absolute power so good is quickly gone power corrupts that is the fate of Russia.

Putin much less needs a victory in the war against Ukraine than the continuation of that war itself and in this respect he resembles Stalin, who only cared about the course of the war until he realized that after the defeat of the Nazis at Moscow, the Soviets could win the war later, it simply did not matter how many millions of young people would die and how long the war would last. At this time, Western powers act rationally and responsibly, while Putin acts irrationally and irresponsibly. He has no doubt that the Russians will follow his orders, and that the economy will pay the bills. He wants to die as late as possible in his current position; he has succeeded in this for 24 years now, ruling each new year over a more submissive and silent people. Moreover, after his death his gang hopes to bring children and grandchildren of his henchmen to power.

Putin's end game seems clear, but it stupidly does not exist. The Russian dictator no longer has goals that he personally wants to achieve "The final goal is nothing to me, the movement everything" (The other day he quoted a famous quote from Eduard Bernstein) [Dieses Ziel, was immer es sei, ist mir gar nichts, die Bewegung ist alles] he simply wants to maintain forever power over the system he created. It is not so important to him whether Russia wins or loses territory: he realizes very well that dictatorships in Russia seemed stronger in the time when the country was up against the whole world or stirred up a feeling among its subjects that the whole world was against them, than in a time of peace and globalization he therefore needs war more than victory.

Putin has no targets he can get past, so he cannot be defeated. However, he can and must simply be destroyed.

[Skybird]

If some of you are correct in what you have stated during our discussion, even Russia has a limitation on how many soldiers they can mobilize.
They have a FAR biogger potential forc epool. But the training is the bottle neck. If you kill an everage recruit, you are lets say 3-6 months away frok heving him replaced. Russia, fascist as it is and uncaring for its people may half these times. Ukrainian soldier showever, specialists, Western-trained soldiers, commandos, take longer time to be "build", and loss counts heavier due to the limtied replacmeent pool, and takes longer due to the higher quality they try to provide their soldiers with. Russia does with its soldiers like with its tanks: easy to maintain, easy to replace, not overly sophisticated to make both possible in a short time, and to make any loss less costly.


Before the war, Russia had around 143 million population,Ukraine 38 million. Ukraine now has significantly less due to the many refugees. This also will drmaatically raise the dififoiculties for Ukriane to surirve by its own afetr the war hasd ended in any in a couple of years. I do not believe that the end will end next year. It will turn into a lower intensity conflict that Russia will keep simmering it for years if not decades, since it often does so and benefits from it.



I find it alarming that Ukraine does not get off to make more of that claimed "breakthrough" so far. If it really had been a breakthrough then they would now be deeper, much deeper into the Hinterland. Obviously there are factors at play that prevent sthem form doing that. Lack of own reserves? Shortages? More Russian resistence in the Hinterland? Concwerns they get scattered and could not defend ground they take?


An interdiction of the supply routes to Crimea via artillery brought into striking distance I do not see this autumn anymore. I hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it.



All in all, I fear the offensive will gain somemore ground, but was not the operational success everybody expected/hoped for. And I thnk Aus rtian Colonel Reisner is totally correct when he soberly summarizes: there has not been an operational breakthrough so far. We see an overcoming of defence lines, but no real breaktrough.

[mapuc]

You're right they have a bigger pool of soldiers and you're also right about their treatment of a soldiers-They are cannon food in the eyes of the officers.

The question is-How many thousands can Russia lose among their soldiers before the run short on manpower ?

Markus

[Dargo]

You're right they have a bigger pool of soldiers and you're also right about their treatment of a soldiers-They are cannon food in the eyes of the officers.

The question is-How many thousands can Russia lose among their soldiers before the run short on manpower ?

MarkusNot so many Russia already had problems with the lack of workforce (years before this invasion) so sending them into war would mean less production fighting with rusty unsafe equipment has no use but like I said before he does not care hope other will, but I doubt that.

[mapuc]

Not so many Russia already had problems with the lack of workforce (years before this invasion) so sending them into war would mean less production fighting with rusty unsafe equipment has no use but like I said before he does not care hope other will, but I doubt that.

Not only that-Russia has also, from what I have read, lost a huge percentage of their elite soldiers.

Markus

[Dargo]

Not only that-Russia has also, from what I have read, lost a huge percentage of their elite soldiers.

MarkusTheir elite soldiers are now fighting on two locations, that is all they got, but those VDV's can and are making it difficult for the Ukraine army to break through.

[Skybird]

You're right they have a bigger pool of soldiers and you're also right about their treatment of a soldiers-They are cannon food in the eyes of the officers.

The question is-How many thousands can Russia lose among their soldiers before the run short on manpower ?

Markus
When mentioning their pool of soldiers I meant civilian men they still can draft. 3 million or so, if you widen the criteria, even more. Plus a 2 million already listed reserves. Giving the numbers by memory and I could be wrong, but hey, its a total population of over 140 million.


In theory and quite abstract speaking they could flush 5+ million walking bodies into Ukraine. Whether that make sense is something entirely different. I only want to outline that their pool of possible replacements outclasses that of Ukraine by factors. Ukraine already now has no more men of suitable age to draft militarily usefully.

[Skybird]

Not only that-Russia has also, from what I have read, lost a huge percentage of their elite soldiers.

Markus
The best of the Ukrainians are KIA or MIA by now, too. Especially under units with special trainings and commandos, special forces, KIA rates are extremely high in war. Very hard to replace, takes a very lot of time. The longer such a war lasts, the more the general quality of an army degrades.

[mapuc]

I don't know how trustworthy this claim is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQCskvoIAY&ab_channel=RealLifeLore

Markus

[Dargo]

I don't know how trustworthy this claim is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQCskvoIAY&ab_channel=RealLifeLore

MarkusI can only :har: NK is a paper tiger

[Skybird]

This paper tiger knows a trick or two on missile technology (for which it is one of the globe's biggest proliferator) and nuclear weapons.



They will provide Russia new "options".

[Skybird]

Wowhwowhwowh - German media report London discusses with Ukriane the sending of milutary trainers and advisors into Ukraine.

Technically that means NATO troops in a foreign country that is at war. Openly, not hidden.


Also, here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/30/grant-shapps-to-send-uk-troops-to-ukraine/

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmtVc1-yPg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuekW-Ajmzg

[Skybird]

Thats an ukrainian channel. they sound not enthusiastic.


https://t.me/DeepStateEN/2512
https://t.me/DeepStateEN/2513
https://t.me/DeepStateEN/2514

[mapuc]

Wowhwowhwowh - German media report London discusses with Ukriane the sending of milutary trainers and advisors into Ukraine.

Technically that means NATO troops in a foreign country that is at war. Openly, not hidden.


Also, here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/30/grant-shapps-to-send-uk-troops-to-ukraine/

1. They are also sending some of their fleet to the Black Sea to protect commercial grain transport.

2. In todays update with Denys he said that Russia once again had hit and destroyed a cargo train loaded with tanks and other vehicles.

This made me wonder-Does they not have some kind of aircover over this area-It's not first time Russia have sent glider bombs towards these trains.

Markus

[Skybird]

Its well established knowledge that they have way too few air defences.
If the electricity gets taken out, Ukraine also cannot maintain military production. They already could not protect the powergrid last winter, only repair ir as quick as they can.


Its Western policy to not gove Ukraine what it needs in sufficient quantities. In parts, that is by not wanting to do so, in parts because one cannot give what one does not have oneself.


Also, you mention glide bombs. I think there is no air defence against a falling/gliding bomb... Except shooting down the carrier before it releases.

[mapuc]

Its well established knowledge that they have way too few air defences.
If the electricity gets taken out, Ukraine also cannot maintain military production. They already could not protect the powergrid last winter, only repair ir as quick as they can.


Its Western policy to not gove Ukraine what it needs in sufficient quantities. In parts, that is by not wanting to do so, in parts because one cannot give what one does not have oneself.


Also, you mention glide bombs. I think there is no air defence against a falling/gliding bomb... Except shooting down the carrier before it releases.

Priority Since it's one of Russia's main goal to destroy Ukrainians logistic hub, one would imagine they had some kind of aircover in these areas.
What do I know-I'm not a military strategist. I only write what I would go after.

Markus

[Skybird]

They would need hundreds of longe rran ge missile-based air defences. They got some 30 (counting missile platform air defence, add the Tunguska and Gepard Flak tanks whith their limited range).



Most of there air defences already focus on protecting industrial and infrastructure hotspots, thats why their troops in the field have so little protection.



They simply do not have enough of anything.



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Latest developments in the US regadsing the state budget and fighting over a shutdown (which many Republicans desperately want to spread chaos of which they hope they would benefit), are most worrying for Ukraine. While Europe already gives more financial aid than the US now and so far roughly as many wepaons as the US did, The uS nevertheless are a major pillar of support, and if they stoip to be that, than things will turn zugly. Europe is especially in the military realm not capable to compensate for a total American retreat from support for Ukraine. But right that US dropout is a very realistic possible scenario now.

[mapuc]

Latest developments in the US regadsing the state budget and fighting over a shutdown (which many Republicans desperately want to spread chaos of which they hope they would benefit), are most worrying for Ukraine. While Europe already gives more financial aid than the US now and so far roughly as many wepaons as the US did, The uS nevertheless are a major pillar of support, and if they stoip to be that, than things will turn zugly. Europe is especially in the military realm not capable to compensate for a total American retreat from support for Ukraine. But right that US dropout is a very realistic possible scenario now.

Yes they have come to some agreement in the house of representatives which is for the next 45 days and in this agreement Ukraine isn't there on the paper.

Europe going solo..You said that they can't compensate for an American retreat-This would mean that Europe will send instructors and knowhow to Ukraine so they can produce these weapons by them self.

Around in Europe old ammo factory is being reopened. Example one in Denmark is being reopened it was last year in May they opened it. It will take about 2 years before it is up and running fully.

Markus

[Skybird]

Europe has a counterfeit money like the US so will never run short in supply. The financial aid Europe can do alone (and I think it should, its OUR problem, not so much America's), if only it would want that. But the military hardware deliveries of the US are close to 50% of the totla aid Ukriane gets, and if these do not continue that is a burden Europe cannot compensate for simply because it does not have that material.



I hope the material support continues, and Europe take sover the Americjna fiscal aid as well, maybe that could be a compromise for at least some moderate Republicans. The Trumpists of course will not even accept that.

[tonschk]

Seymour Hersh: “Zelensky’s battered army no longer has any chance of a victory”

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/09/23/seymour-hersh-zelenskys-army-no-longer-has-any-chance-of-a-victory/

Next Tuesday will be the anniversary of the Biden administration’s destruction of three of the four pipelines of Nord Stream 1 and 2. There is more I have to say about it, but it will have to wait. Why? Because the war between Russia and Ukraine, with the White House continuing to reject any talk of a ceasefire, is at a turning point, writes Seymour Hersh, a famous American investigative journalist.

There are significant elements in the American intelligence community, relying on field reports and technical intelligence, who believe that the demoralized Ukraine army has given up on the possibility of overcoming the heavily mined three-tier Russian defense lines and taking the war to Crimea and the four oblasts seized and annexed by Russia.

The reality is that Volodymyr Zelensky’s battered army no longer has any chance of a victory.

[mapuc]

We may not have the material to produce what is needed in the war in Ukraine, but we could send the knowhow to Ukraine, so they can produce war material them self.

This is going to take years and Ukraine doesn't have years as time is also against them too.

In fact time is more on Russian side then Ukraines side.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLEU7kdrl-E

[mapuc]

It seems like the war is also being fought on YT.
No doubt that these who has hacked his channel is pro-Russian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FOGXumeXd8&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Jimbuna]

No surprises there then.

[Jimbuna]

Putin's lap dog issues WW3 warning and accuses Britain of plot to put troops in Ukraine

Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, now Putin's number two on the Kremlin's powerful security council, said British soldiers would become targets if they began training Volodymyr Zelensky's warriors on Ukrainian soil.

Defence Secretary Grant Shapps revealed that he had held talks with Army leaders about shifting an official British-led training programme "into Ukraine".

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak insisted Mr Shapps meant the training would take after the war in Ukraine .

But the Kremlin seized on the confusion, with Medvedev warning Europe's biggest land war since 1945 could escalate even further and spiral into World War 3.

He posted on Telegram: "One newly minted cretin - the British Minister of Defence - decided to transfer British training courses for Ukrainian soldiers to the territory of Ukraine itself.

"That is, turn your instructors into legal targets for our Armed Forces, knowing full well that they will be mercilessly destroyed.

"And no longer as mercenaries, but precisely as British NATO specialists."

Medvedev, who has repeatedly warned of nuclear war, said Mr Shapps was "actively pushing us towards a Third World War."

Mr Sunak immediately clarified Mr Shapp's comments, insisting that British troops would not be deployed to Ukraine while the bloodshed continued.

He said Britain has been training Kyiv's troops "for a long time".
The Prime Minister said: "What the Defence Secretary was saying was that it might well be possible one day in the future for us to do some of that training in Ukraine.

"But that's something for the long term, not the here and now, there are no British soldiers that will be sent to fight in the current conflict. That's not what's happening. What we are doing is training Ukrainians. We're doing that here in the UK."

Former Defence Secretary Ben Wallace first floated the idea of Britain deploying troops to Ukraine in July.

He said it was "perfectly legitimate and possible" more soldiers will be sent to train Ukrainian troops in a rebooted Op Orbital.

In 2015, British troops were sent to Ukraine to train Kyiv's forces after the Russian assault in the Donbas region.

They trained around 22,000 personnel during the seven year operation.

Mr Shapps visited a military base on Salisbury Plain on Friday where he was briefed by General Sir Patrick Sanders, Chief of the General Staff, and other senior figures.

He said: "I was talking about eventually getting the training brought closer and actually into Ukraine as well.

"Particularly in the west of the country, I think the opportunity now is to bring more things in country, and not just training. We're seeing BAE, for example, move into manufacturing in country.

"I'm keen to see other British companies do their bit as well by doing the same thing."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/putin-s-lap-dog-issues-ww3-warning-and-accuses-britain-of-plot-to-put-troops-in-ukraine/ar-AA1hwIJX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=428dce7b50fc469e92cd27d50179f688&ei=20#image=1

[Skybird]

Uncomfortable truths.


https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/gastbeitrag-von-gabor-steingart-unbequeme-putin-wahrheiten-die-ein-kluger-westen-nicht-mehr-laenger-ignorieren-darf_id_214970099.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


The numbers from Russia and their budget plan tells that Russia plans for a mutiple years long war now. So much for those Western doves thinking this will come to an end in negotiations. It won't. Intensity will drop a bit, but the war will linger on and on and on. Ukraine will slowly bleed out, its economy, its infrastructure, and demographically. And sooner or later every human psyche will break if murderous stress lasts on and on.



Does reconstruction make sense when it does not get militarily protected? Thats what the West ust ask itself, and it also must ask what consequenbces it wills to draw from this. Europe still refuses to switch to war production, its unbelievable. The Russians are up and running. And I predict they can maintain it. Their economic collapse has been forecasted now so often that by now if all these announcements would have become true it would have been enough to end a dozen of wars.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxbGNrs4KZ4

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3akMilAHyco

[mapuc]

How much of it is true and how much is disinformation regarding the coming landing operation in Crimea ?

I would also send lots of disinformation about my coming military operations to the enemy, mixed with true information.

Markus

[Catfish]

"Moscow sees forecast confirmed – Kremlin cheers - USA drops Ukraine"

If anyone stops supporting Ukraine we will have a russio-european war in the next decade.

[Dargo]

How much of it is true and how much is disinformation regarding the coming landing operation in Crimea ?

I would also send lots of disinformation about my coming military operations to the enemy, mixed with true information.

MarkusTo make a landing in Crimea Ukraine needs several landing equipment to get infantry and heavy material on a bridgehead Ukraine to my knowledge does not have that, so this is disinformation.

'Russians don't manage to stop it, they do manage to slow it down': military expert on Ukraine offensive
Ukraine's "spring offensive" only started in the summer and the results have been poor, to the frustration of the West. Will anything happen now that autumn begins? 'It is also slow because the West is dawdling with arms deliveries,' says military expert Peter Wijninga (Hague Center for Strategic Studies).

How come the front line barely shifted in recent months?
This is mainly because the Ukrainians lack sufficient resources to go faster. They are conducting this offensive almost entirely on foot. They have to overcome Russian resistance nests on foot, clear minefields.... All that has taken a very long time. And as a result, Ukraine's progress is drawing down in a few hundred meters a day and not in kilometers, as the West would prefer. "The impatience among Western government leaders is therefore growing. Cracks are appearing in political support. For example, the US dawdled on the delivery of the ATACMS (long-range missiles, BDB). Poland is halting its arms deliveries for the time being due to tensions over the grain boycott against Ukraine, and the elections in Slovakia may bring in a pro-Russian government there. It all points to Western patience running out. But the West itself has been too slow in sending heavy weapons."

Is the slow progress of the Ukrainian offensive also due to the Russians?
"Yes. The fact that Ukrainian soldiers on the front line were advancing on foot was also a result of Russian minefields. The Ukrainians had started their attack with armored vehicles and tanks, but pretty soon got stuck in minefields, after which they also came under fire. Only then is a minefield effective, and the Russians did that very well. "That's why the Ukrainians decided to dig out the mines by hand, flat on their bellies. They did that on a large scale and meanwhile they organized a major air offensive with artillery, missiles and drones against the Russian lines and against supply lines behind the lines. That combination still allowed them to advance a long way, but very slowly."

So they accomplished something after all?
"That's right. So they created a bulge in the front in the south between Robotyne and Verbove. At Verbove, moreover, they created a breach 2.5 kilometers wide. This was accomplished with soldiers overcoming tank trenches on foot and removing dragon's teeth, which is a huge job. Ukraine, meanwhile, also carried out constant bombardments of Russian positions. "Near Verbove, though, they have not yet managed to advance to the next line because the Russians are resisting pretty well there. The question now is whether the Ukrainians can reach Melitopol before winter. That is now their main objective on that axis of attack. Thus, they would interrupt Russian supply lines from Crimea, contributing to Crimea's isolation."

Isn't the offensive in danger of stalling now that the mud of autumn and the frost of winter are coming?
"That's guessing. The rain in autumn usually makes it too muddy for the armor and tanks. The frost then allows those vehicles to run in the winter. But due to climate change, there is a chance that the rains will come later and there will not be enough frost. Operations will not shut down in winter, but it will be slower because of the cold and rain."

Aren't the Russian counteractions also a lot less successful than the Kremlin hoped?
"Indeed. The Russians are not succeeding in stopping the Ukrainian offensive, they are succeeding in slowing it down. They have their defenses in the south reasonably well in place. But their counterattacks at Kuyansk, at Zaporizhzhya and at Bakhmut have been stalled. This is because they have few precision weapons and are poorly organized. They have poorly trained their people, the bureaucracy is cumbersome and in terms of logistics they do not have their affairs in order. "And above all: the strong motivation that the Ukrainians do have is lacking in the Russian soldiers. They do not see the point of this war. But anyone who knows Russian military history knows that such soldiers continue to fight slavishly anyway. The West has lost sight of that. Nevertheless, 'Know your enemy as yourself!' is of great importance in war."

You indicate that the West is too slow in providing support. But a lot has already been realized, hasn't it?
"Yes, but Ukraine is facing a superpower that can militarize a huge potential of people. Ukraine cannot do that and really has to rely on the quality of their weapons and their timely delivery. That is where the West regularly fails to deliver. Germany still hasn't decided on the Taurus (long-range precision weapons, BDB) and F-16s from Belgium are now also uncertain (the army top brass previously deemed it impossible, but the option is still being explored, BDB), the US is dragging its feet over the ATACMS. "That wavering plays into Putin's hands. Who knows that if he just persists, the West will hesitate even more. The West also failed to train Ukrainian civilians. They had to become trained soldiers within six weeks, which is far too short."

Is Western criticism of the slow Ukrainian offensive misplaced?
"It could be more modest. It is rather easy from the comfort of your armchair to lecture this country. It is facing a superpower, must try to lose as few targets as possible, and is therefore cautious. It is too arrogant and patronizing to say impatiently that things are going too slowly. Besides, what do you think you would achieve by doing that? In the long run, more and more people might think, 'This support is pointless.'"
https://www.demorgen.be/oorlog-in-oekraine/de-russen-slagen-er-niet-in-het-te-stoppen-wel-om-het-te-vertragen-militair-expert-over-het-oekraiense-offensief~bd5232f6/

Putin appointed new general (Элон Маск) for Crimea.
https://i.postimg.cc/VLw3VLX0/ComMusk.png

While others are making declarations relating to the future, we are acting in consultation with the Ukrainian side. The first Leopard tanks (The first Leopard 2A4 which was damaged at the front.) refurbished at Bumar-Labędy (Poland) have been received by the Ukrainian side, work continues on the next vehicles. https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1708844237314269573

Russia's Gas Production Collapses to Late-Stage USSR Levels
Russian gas production so far this year has slumped to levels not seen since the 1970s. The country's state energy giant Gazprom said in its latest report that gas production in the first half of 2023 was 179.45 billion cubic meters (bcm). Gazprom added that this represents a year-on-year decrease of nearly a quarter (24.7 percent), and a 26.5 percent drop in gas supplies to the domestic and foreign markets... https://www.newsweek.com/russia-gas-production-collapse-ussr-levels-1831087

"Moscow sees forecast confirmed – Kremlin cheers - USA drops Ukraine"

If anyone stops supporting Ukraine we will have a russio-european war in the next decade.As for the support of Poland and Slovakia both countries gone sell ammo and repair for Ukraine those industries they need to keep up their economy so their rhetoric of we do not ... is rhetoric when it comes to earning money.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWYYPanWI78&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-trw0SsZubY

[mapuc]

When I read between the lines in what some of our politicians are saying about giving military aid to Ukraine, is that they don't want Russia to win the war.

What about China-Are they interested in a defeated Russia ?

Markus

[Dargo]

The European Union has reached a consensus regarding Ukraine's membership in the bloc, which is "only a matter of time," Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said on Oct. 2, as reported by European Pravda. "Everyone is determined to move forward with maximum speed, considering all the reforms that Ukraine has carried out, is carrying out, and will carry out," Kuleba said at a press conference following a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Kyiv... https://kyivindependent.com/kuleba-eu-reaches-consensus-on-ukraines-membership-bid/

[Dargo]

When I read between the lines in what some of our politicians are saying about giving military aid to Ukraine, is that they don't want Russia to win the war.

What about China-Are they interested in a defeated Russia ?

MarkusDo not think China would want that this would weaken their anti-Western policy.

[Ostfriese]

China very likely doesn't want either side to win. A protacted war would offer them the most - Russia weakened, the West distracted.

[tonschk]

America’s Withdraw and Step Back on Ukraine Aid Puts Europe in a Bind

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/as-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-falters-europe-faces-its-own-limits-on-help-b3e899aa

Europe keeps Kyiv’s budget afloat, but its weapons arsenals can’t fill a shortfall if U.S. supplies wane


European Union foreign ministers met in Ukraine on Monday in a rare gathering outside the bloc. The ministers pledged solidarity with Kyiv after the U.S. passed a stopgap funding measure omitting aid for Ukraine.


KYIV, Ukraine—European leaders face a question they had hoped to avoid: If the U.S. steps back from leading Western support for Ukraine, could they fill the gap?


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[mapuc]

China very likely doesn't want either side to win. A protacted war would offer them the most - Russia weakened, the West distracted.

Interesting, never saw it this way...A war which keeps on year in year out-A win for the Chinese.

No Europe can not fill in the missing gap if USA withdraw from helping Ukraine military...

Now is it in EU(Europe's interest) to see a Winning Russia ?

Of course not-So what is the solution to this problem ?

European soldiers in Ukraine ?

Not now, maybe in a couple of years from now.

Markus

[Skybird]

This is a week of good signals for Putin.

1. The US will at least in the forseeable time no longer give financial support to Ukraine.
2. In Slovakia, a Putin-friend has won the election.
3. Hungary since always and Poland since latest have raised questions marks on the EU support for Ukraine. They even did not attend EU's foreign ministers meeting in Kyiv. (Two other that were missing, missed due to Corona infection).

Additionally

4. Hungary still blocks Sweden's NATO membership. Turkey has said it will support it, but its still not passed.

The message to Putin: just hold on, passes time comes win. Russia's economy, often claimed close to death, grows. The Ruble and Yuan regimes spread in the world. The dollar is in retreat, slowly, but constantly. Russia has shown to be economically resilient, it does not collapse, it has adapted, the sanctions hurt a bit, but do not wreck it, and Putin has switched the country to full war production - something the Europeans still are too dumb and too stupid to even consider.

Meanwhile the offensive of Ukraine has overcome three defence lines - without anything further having come from that so far, the russians nevertheless seem to have somewhat locked them down in place and endlessly delay their further advance, causing slow bleed-out.

The tides are turning again. Against Ukraine. Last year I said that nearing the end of 2023 the West will start loosing interest. And that is what is happening now. Zelenski may not have been given his good-bye yet, but some have started to demonstratingly throw glances at where his coat hangs.

And Europe? Is about to miss the closing window of opportunity, by its own fault, by its own endless hesitating, by its own stupidity.

Things do not go well. Putin can win this, his chances have grown. Not next year, but at the end of this all. Solidarity with Ukaine is crumbling. Thats what he played for.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4U0nr-vzi0

[Catfish]

^ ^ Are you sure you mean Slovenia. Betonov will not be amused :03:
All else is, unfortunately, correct.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQbK357Bjdk

[Skybird]

^ ^ Are you sure you mean Slovenia. Betonov will not be amused :03:
All else is, unfortunately, correct.
Argh, my bad, I apologize. SLOVAKIA I meant, the man is Fico.

[Skybird]

New Russian school books claim German reunification was an "annexation". :dead:

Think we are coming next when they are done with liberating Ukraine. :shucks:

[mapuc]

New Russian school books claim German reunification was an "annexation". :dead:

Think we are coming next when they are done with liberating Ukraine. :shucks:

I think this will happen in some decades after their liberation of Ukraine-They have to rebuild their army and change way of warfare.

Markus

[Rockstar]

I think this will happen in some decades after their liberation of Ukraine-They have to rebuild their army and change way of warfare.

Markus

Considering the current low birth rates, high birth defects, drug and alcohol abuse, and now Mad Vlad Putin’s 3 day SMO killing off a large number of the male population. I don’t think Russia will ever be able to rebuild their army, economy, or future.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIwaM9E_OE