Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[August]

Thing about those russian dragons teeth is they are just placed on the ground and not attached to it like the ones on the old nazi Siegfried line. (No German engineering in Ivans Army). Half a squad with a strong metal pole can run it through the conveniently placed ring bolt at the top and lift it right up out of place.

[mapuc]

The Ukrainians had high hopes for the Leopard 2-How well did it do at the frontline?

Now they will receive Abrams from USA. Even here they have high hopes. Let see how well it does it in another type of warfare.

Markus

[Skybird]

Problem is western tanks are designed predominantly with tank on tank combat on mind - which practically does not take place in this war. Tanks mostly get taken out by drones, atgm, mines, helicopters - not by rounds from enemy tanks.

Western takes will harvest on other vehicles and targets. But they suffer losses from threats that are not what they were örimarily hardened against : tank rounds.

[mapuc]

Problem is western tanks are designed predominantly with tank on tank combat on mind - which practically does not take place in this war. Tanks mostly get taken out by drones, atgm, mines, helicopters - not by rounds from enemy tanks.

Western takes will harvest on other vehicles and targets. But they suffer losses from threats that are not what they were örimarily hardened against : tank rounds.

The reason why I wrote in another type of warfare.

Ukrainian are also getting these together with the Abrams

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Markus

[Dargo]

But the price Ukraine have paid for these small gains is already too high.

The whole idea of throwing waves and waves of ukrainian soldiers across heavily mined and fortified open terrain, under the watchful eyes of Russian drones, just shows the callousness of both the West and the Ukrainian leadership. It wasn’t so much an offensive as have been a massacre.


As Ukraine’s offensive stalls, are negotiations on the agenda?

https://socialist.net/as-ukraines-offensive-stalls-are-negotiations-on-the-agenda/To negotiate, both parties need to want that for real not to re|group/build I do not see Russia changing their original plan to control or rule over Ukraine, so no negotiations are not on the agenda soon this conflict will go on for years.

[Dargo]

To classify the current front breakthrough.


https://i.postimg.cc/2SWtpmFK/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)
[Neue Zürcher Zeitung, interactive map]

The red circle southwest of the blue breach area is Tokmak. The dark dotted line is railway.

I wonder what kind of terrain the area further south of the current breach is, the Russians have almost no fortifications there (according to this map at least) and seem to rely on the terrain protecting them...?! Without knowledge of that terrain one cannot assess whether or not it is an option to move south and then turn west for Melitopol to bypass all the defences that lie on a straight line between Tokmak and Melitopol. Probably swamps or anything else that prevents mechanized forces from moving through?!

The railway should theoretically alreadsy now be in range of tube artillery, but probably at the risk of having to set up that artillery in range of Russian counter artillery.

It looks as if the Ukrainians indeed have swung the wheel around. :yeah: Looks as if the only thing that can stop them now is lacking reserves to keep the offensive pushing, but one woudl assume they know that themselkves and somehow take care of that. But obviuously they need a constant stream of ammo and weapons from the West.



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Ukraine claims it can now reahc targets in Russia 1500km away, with weapons from own production, it insists that it doies not use Western-delivered weapons for strikes into Russia, a sit always has promsied. There is not a single violation known so far. - You hear that, Bubble Olaf?To add. One breakthrough in the frontline is not enough, Ukraine needs to break through on other places too else Russia can concentrate their defense on Tokmak to further slow the Ukraine offensive.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1riW7za2EQ

[Catfish]

Tanks are not completely obsolete, but as long as you have their coordinates via drones ..

Also Russia reportedly lost 23 tanks alone yesterday, and over 30 logistical vehicles. Focusing just on tanks - assuming of course losing 23 in one day is, umm, not "normal", they clearly still lose an average of a few a day. How many tanks can Russia produce? According to the Russian ministries own figures, they produced 250 in 2021 - and many of these were refurbished older tanks.

Russians are currently conducting a massive offensive in the Luhansk area for a number of weeks - but have made no progress. The fact that they are pushing hard with lots of tanks - and each attack is being repulsed.
Common sense they are therefore losing a lot of tanks plus the daily footage of destroyed tanks we are seeing on social media popping up

https://youtu.be/WOPujWW_kMg

[Skybird]

The reason why I wrote in another type of warfare.

Ukrainian are also getting these together with the Abrams

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Markus
It does not need an uranium SABOT to pierce a vehicle that is not a tank. And as non-explosive, it is no good choice to bust bunkers or buildings as long as it is not desperate circumstances.
Possible the uranium SABOT reaches farther than HE(AT), compensating for the loss of kinetic energy compared to a non-uraniu SABOT. But how often do you have terrain and weather that you trade tank rounds at 5 km ?

[Skybird]

To add. One breakthrough in the frontline is not enough, Ukraine needs to break through on other places too else Russia can concentrate their defense on Tokmak to further slow the Ukraine offensive.
Russia already now must split its supplies to the defence of Tokmak area, and their counteroffensive at Kupjansk. The Ukrainian offensive at this stage looks like the far more threatening of the two.

[mapuc]

It does not need an uranium SABOT to pierce a vehicle that is not a tank. And as non-explosive, it is no good choice to bust bunkers or buildings as long as it is not desperate circumstances.
Possible the uranium SABOT reaches farther than HE(AT), compensating for the loss of kinetic energy compared to a non-uraniu SABOT. But how often do you have terrain and weather that you trade tank rounds at 5 km ?

You could be right from what I know-The things I know about the war and the strategic is what I read here and what I see, hear and read in the news.

I do remember that Russia had threaten with nukes if Ukraine got depleted Uranium.
(I take it with a smile on my face)

Markus

[Catfish]

The people dying for Russia are hardly "russians" or Putin's soldiers, or to put it directly:
No casualties from St. Petersburg or Moscow.

https://i.imgur.com/jgFaM4el.jpg

If Putin continues I guess it will change soon.

[mapuc]

I'm watching a livestream with combat veterans reacts

Right now he is going through how you approach a defended trench from three side

Markus

[Skybird]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/02/everything-is-ahead-of-us-ukraine-breaks-russias-first-line-of-defence-in-stronghold



“As soon as any equipment appeared there, the Russians immediately began to fire at it and destroy it. That’s why de-mining was carried out only by infantry and only at night.”
Now that the minefield has been breached, Russians have lost much of their advantage. “There is a very big difference between the first and second line of defence,” said Tarnavskiy.



He says the sweocnd line is less fortified than the first. So far OI always red that the firts liune is the weakets and the third the strongest. Hm. Fog of War. For of misinformation.

[Dargo]

The people dying for Russia are hardly "russians" or Putin's soldiers, or to put it directly:
No casualties from St. Petersburg or Moscow.

https://i.imgur.com/jgFaM4el.jpg

If Putin continues I guess it will change soon.This is the reason why Putin has not announced a general mobilization, he can not afford body bags in Moscow and St Petersburg. Btw this is the Russian system as dictator, do not let Moscow and St Petersburg suffer else you lose your head.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/02/everything-is-ahead-of-us-ukraine-breaks-russias-first-line-of-defence-in-stronghold





He says the sweocnd line is less fortified than the first. So far OI always red that the firts liune is the weakets and the third the strongest. Hm. Fog of War. For of misinformation.The Surovikin line is too big, would take millions (including reserves behind) to man it properly.

Russia already now must split its supplies to the defence of Tokmak area, and their counteroffensive at Kupjansk. The Ukrainian offensive at this stage looks like the far more threatening of the two.Glad that Russian doctrine has failed them again the whole northeast Russian offensive is failing and not taken away Ukraine ability to strike elsewhere, even see reports by Russian sources of landing on the Kinburn Spit and in the Podstepne region on the left bank of the Dnieper of Ukraine forces remind me of last year successful offensive of Ukraine same rumors. :D

[Skybird]

[Focus] The ISW has learned from insider circles that Russian officers have turned to the dismissed General Ivan Popov with a call for help. The reason is the deteriorating situation on the Russian front. Popov was removed as commanding officer at the beginning of July. Popov had shown "insubordination" by trying to circumvent the chief of the Russian general staff, Valery Gerasimov. According to the report, Popov wanted to report complaints about insufficient capabilities and high troop losses directly to Kremlin chief Putin. In doing so, Popov set a kind of precedent, according to Russian military bloggers. Popov is also said to have encouraged the troops to report the truth about the situation on the front.

The fact that the officers have now turned to Popov with their call for help suggests that Popov's successor has not yet won the trust of his subordinates. The ISW cites as possible reasons that he is either less competent. Another reason could be that he is less open about the situation the deteriorating state of Russian defence in Zaporizhzhya.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mCJzyGiQg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCrKSSNGOho

[tonschk]

AMERICAN NEONAZIS LOVE BIDEN AND UKRAINE

https://www.bitchute.com/video/goj0IGkV981u/

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309031938380349.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309031938380349.png)

[mapuc]

Nobody, except them self, care what they say or think. There may be around 100 or so neonazis in USA. They do not reflect the common citizens in USA-Where a waste majority 52 % is against aid to Ukraine.

Markus

[tonschk]

THE ONLY USE OF LEOPARDS HAVE NOW IS AS PRACTICE TARGETS FOR RUSSIAN DRONES

https://www.bitchute.com/video/mqLf0rzW89vu/


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309032013000353.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309032013000353.png)

[Skybird]

EU has so far delivered only a fraction of the artillery ammunition it has promised Ukraine.


https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/russland-putin-munitionsbeschaffung-ukraine-krieg-schleppend-ambitionierte-zusagen-tbl-zr-92497029.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[mapuc]

EU has so far delivered only a fraction of the artillery ammunition it has promised Ukraine.

Tried to find information on whether Denmark and Sweden has send what they have promised to Ukraine or not.

I know Denmark has send some weapon system-such as land based harpoon and the artillery system Caesar(french)

Sweden has send tanks and ammo.

Both country has also send a lot of medical aid and food supply.

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuHdy_1K3bQ&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qax_MRtrGAU

[Skybird]

On ukrainian drones.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/08/27/inside-ukraines-drone-war-against-putin

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONum4RbudQ0

[Jimbuna]

On ukrainian drones.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/08/27/inside-ukraines-drone-war-against-putin

Not much use without an account :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Not much use without an account :hmmm:

https://archive.ph/q677x

Aug 27th 2023 | KYIV

Update: On August 30th Ukraine launched what appeared to be its most extensive drone assault on Russian territory yet, with attacks on six regions. In the western city of Pskov drones reportedly hit an airport, damaging four transport planes.
Early in the morning of August 25th, a group of drone developers headed to a launch point in southern Ukraine for one of the most daring aerial missions over Russian-controlled territory to date: an attack on a military base deep in Crimea. It was described as a test launch, with many of the prototypes in the drone swarm experimental. But some of them did the job.

There were explosions inside the base and several dead, with wounded soldiers seen streaming into the local hospital, according to local sources. That capped a miserable week for the Kremlin, already struggling to explain more than a dozen drones striking the heart of Moscow, repeated shutdowns of major airports and unexplained explosions at arms factories, airfields, fuel depots and railways. And on August 30th Ukraine launched what appeared to be its most extensive drone assault on Russian territory yet, with attacks on six regions. In the western city of Pskov drones reportedly hit an airport, damaging four transport planes.

https://archive.ph/q677x/dda7fc7e99416185e766616b96d47e52cb547bab.avif

A source close to the developers of Morok (“dark spirit”), one of the prototype drones used in the Crimean operation, says Ukraine’s new aerial strike capacity is the result of “seeds sown many months ago”. Morok’s development had been a “miraculous” journey: after one risky test launch a few kilometres from the Russian border, its developers escaped incoming Russian rockets by minutes. Now they aim to step up serial production.

Fast and capable of carrying a heavy payload over several hundred kilometres, Morok is among the more promising fixed-wing kamikaze designs being considered by Ukraine. It has come this far largely without government funding, relying on hard work and a few friendly benefactors. But like other developers, Morok’s team now faces a difficult task getting the resources to scale up.

Ukraine’s drone programme is driven by necessity. Russia, a missile superpower, began the war with a clear superiority in long-range strike capacity. It later began buying cheap Shahed kamikaze drones from Iran. Ukraine, on the other hand, has not been allowed to use Western-donated weapons in Russia itself, and so has been looking for other ways to hit back.

Part of the answer has been developing new missiles, or repurposing old ones: the vintage s-200 surface-to-air missile is now used in surface-to-surface mode. Meanwhile, a network of volunteers and government groups has been racing to develop better domestically made drones.

The drone campaign is being stepped up now for a number of reasons. The headline-making strikes on Moscow are intended to have a psychological impact, bringing ordinary Russians closer to the reality of war. But Ukrainian military insiders say most of their operations are designed to directly support the country’s three-month-old counter-offensive.

Much of this is too prosaic to make news. Drones target “fuel depots, logistics, ammunition dumps and delivery routes”, says “Detective”, the pseudonym of a drone co-ordinator in Ukraine’s military intelligence. “We respond to appeals from our brigades. They tell us they know where Russian arms are being stored, but have no way of hitting them, and they plead with us to help.” Detective says much of his recent work has been focused on airfields near Ukraine’s borders. This “might” have included a recent strike that hit a Tu-22m strategic bomber based near Novgorod, he adds with a wink.

Russia’s extensive air-defence and electronic-warfare capacity means that any Ukrainian attack requires meticulous planning. Ukraine has developed algorithms that appear to work. Operators launch in the early morning (when defenders’ concentration might be lapsing) and use an order of attack designed to keep air defences busy. They gather intelligence (often from Western partners) about radars, electronic warfare and air-defence assets. Russia cannot lock down the entirety of its vast territory. “If you can scuttle past 60km of jamming stations on the border, you are in the Russian hinterlands and it’s game on,” says the Morok source. About 35-40% of drones make it through to the general vicinity of the target. Feedback about a strike’s success is compiled from satellites, tracking devices, social-media reports and local agents.

Unusually, Ukraine’s drone programme has no single command or procurement structure. Several state organisations, including all the intelligence agencies, have their own drone initiatives. Freelance developers are also in the mix. These components are organised in cells that do not communicate with each other.

This helps security and competition, but can make optimisation and mass production difficult. The central government, especially the Ministry of Digital Transformation, has tried to streamline financing and remove red tape. But bureaucracy, corruption and vested interests in the Ukrainian arms industry continue to act as a drag on development. Some of the operations targeting Moscow appear to be pr projects designed to bring a prototype to the attention of procurement bosses, rather than having military value.

Finance is not the only barrier to scaling up. Cheap components and electronics are hard to find. So are aviation specialists. Russia is doing better on this front: though slow to get going, it has now geared up mass production. Russia’s state enterprises have prioritised the war’s most effective weapons. These include versatile Kh-101 cruise missiles; wings to convert free-fall bombs into glide bombs; Lancet strike drones, capable of taking out Ukrainian armour and air defence; and Iranian Shaheds, which are now reportedly being produced in a new factory in Tatarstan. A Ukrainian intelligence source said Russia was likely to be stockpiling ahead of a renewed campaign on energy infrastructure this coming winter.

On the front lines, Russia has erased Ukraine’s initial three-to-one advantage in tactical drones. The two sides are now at parity, a source close to Ukraine’s commander-in-chief says. New electronic-warfare jamming boxes, fitted on tanks and other assets, are meanwhile reducing the ability of Ukraine’s first-person-view drones to guide payloads into the most vulnerable sections of a target.
A source within Ukraine’s general staff suggests any technological advantage his country once enjoyed was necessarily temporary. Both sides are learning from the other, he says, and reverse engineering is getting quicker: “We had the experience of defending against Russian drones, and we got better quickly. They will too.” Ukraine will need to think of new asymmetric ways to use drones, including using artificial intelligence to improve accuracy. The government has dedicated a new budget line of 40bn hryvnia ($1.1bn) for drones, a huge sum for Ukraine.

Detective says he regularly receives grateful calls from the front lines, thanking him for his latest successful strike. “They tell how they have enjoyed two or three days without Russian bombs,” he says. “Calls like that make the difficulties of the job worth it.”

[Jeff-Groves]

Yeah. Lets put AI in the Drones. What could go wrong?
https://s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/MWimages/MW-GD647_skynet_ZG_20180213113524.jpg

[Skybird]

Not much use without an account :hmmm:
Sorry, freely available from here. I have no account, and dont get asked, its not interlinked, and The Econmist is also certainly no german website.

[tonschk]

ANTI-RUSSIAN SANCTIONS UNFORTUNATELY ARE ONLY WORKING AGAINST EUROPEAN UNION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1NMrg1zQcg

[Jimbuna]

Sorry, freely available from here. I have no account, and dont get asked, its not interlinked, and The Econmist is also certainly no german website.

Not a problem Mark alles is goed.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JO9aswgCL8

[tonschk]

STRUGGLING DICTATOR ZELENSKY NOW RESORT TO SENDING THE SICK AND DISABLED UKRAINIANS AS CANNON FODDER TO WAR BECAUSE HIS LACK OF MANPOWER and TYPICAL OF A REAL AUTHORITARIAN AGONIZING NAZI REGIME

Defense ministry amends rules exempting Ukrainians from mobilization on health grounds

Ukraine's defense ministry has approved an amended list of medical conditions which exempt Ukrainians from military service, the Ukrainian Military Pages reported on Sept. 3.

According to the report, amendments to the law were made on Aug. 18 and entered into force on Aug. 25.

From now on, people with clinically cured tuberculosis, viral hepatitis, slowly progressing blood diseases, thyroid gland diseases with minor functional disorders, and those who are HIV-positive but without symptoms, are considered still fit for military service.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-ministry-of-defense-expands-list-of-persons-with-diseases-suitable-for-mobilization/



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[u crank]

I have been catching up on this thread and I have a question if anyone can help. Where can you find out what is actually happening on the ground in Ukraine? It seems to me that most of what is posted here is propaganda from one side or the other. Are there any non biased sites or sources available?

[mapuc]

I have been catching up on this thread and I have a question if anyone can help. Where can you find out what is actually happening on the ground in Ukraine? It seems to me that most of what is posted here is propaganda from one side or the other. Are there any non biased sites or sources available?

My best advice is...go there by yourself then you can see what's happening on the ground.

Which of course is a bad advice-So take a standpoint and believe what you feel is correct.

As mentioned many times before none of us know exactly what's happening on the battlefield. What we decide to be true in our belief depends on where we stand.

I myself support Ukraine, so I believe things coming from their side.

Markus

[u crank]

I myself support Ukraine, so I believe things coming from their side.


I think that is a mistake Markus. Not your support for Ukraine but your belief that they are being honest and realistic about what is happening. I don't trust the propaganda that is coming from either side and was hoping perhaps for a nonbiased military assessment of what is happening.

[mapuc]

I think that is a mistake Markus. Not your support for Ukraine but your belief that they are being honest and realistic about what is happening. I don't trust the propaganda that is coming from either side and was hoping perhaps for a nonbiased military assessment of what is happening.

I know one homepage which I see as nonbiased and that is
https://www.understandingwar.org/

Furthermore I do know that it's mostly propaganda coming from the Ukrainian side.

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

NATO member contradicts Ukraine drone claim!:yeah:

The Romanian Defense Ministry says no Russian UAVs have crashed on its territory, contrary to official statements by Kiev!:yep:

[Skybird]

I have been catching up on this thread and I have a question if anyone can help. Where can you find out what is actually happening on the ground in Ukraine? It seems to me that most of what is posted here is propaganda from one side or the other. Are there any non biased sites or sources available?
Ignore the videos posted here might be a good start.
Diversify news sources and also sources of analysis of the news.
You can only improve your informational situation, but you can never be sure. Manipulation is omnipresent.
A German speaking newspaper I trust more than others, is Neue Zürcher Zeitung. It's Swiss, obviously, but that alone does not do the trick. It's the reason and mindfulness of their writers.

[u crank]

Ignore the videos posted here might be a good start.
Diversify news sources and also sources of analysis of the news.
You can only improve your informational situation, but you can never be sure. Manipulation is omnipresent.

Yea I am pretty much doing all that now. Western media and politicians obviously have a vested interest in spreading a less than honest assessment of the facts on the ground.

[Jimbuna]

Yea I am pretty much doing all that now. Western media and politicians obviously have a vested interest in spreading a less than honest assessment of the facts on the ground.

I don't doubt either side are to be totally believed but I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt who started the war and who the aggressor is but other than that I trust my own instincts Marcel.

Judgements as made by the ICC and the arrest warrant only add to my beliefs.

[Skybird]

Numbers given by Ukraine and Russia, I believe the numbers of both sides are manipulated but the effect in case of the Russians seem to be much bigger and sees much less confirmation by other sources than the ukrainian nuumbers which are apparently a bit mor realistic and tend to be closer to other sources' estimations. But really trustworthy none of them are, imo.



The internet is a battlefield. Instead of grenades it rains clips and claims and pictures.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTjN8d-LXo8

[u crank]

I don't doubt either side are to be totally believed but I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt who started the war and who the aggressor is but other than that I trust my own instincts Marcel.

Judgements as made by the ICC and the arrest warrant only add to my beliefs.

Well Jim I am not inquiring about the moral implications of this war. What I am looking for is honest and realistic information about the military progress on the ground. One side can be morally right and still be the source of misinformation and propaganda. All western sources and their media allies say Ukraine is winning and can win this war. My own instincts say that is probably not true.

[mapuc]

Well Jim I am not inquiring about the moral implications of this war. What I am looking for is honest and realistic information about the military progress on the ground. One side can be morally right and still be the source of misinformation and propaganda. All western sources and their media allies say Ukraine is winning and can win this war. My own instincts say that is probably not true.

Though longer the war goes on, though harder it will get for Ukraine to win the war. Time is on the Russian side.

The resistance against our willingness to help Ukraine is increasing among the citizens here in Europe.

Finding a source that isn't biased-If you find such a source please post the link(s) here.

I think most of us would be glad.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Ukraine. The New Russian Afganistan?
:hmmm:

[Exocet25fr]

All western sources and their media allies say Ukraine is winning and can win this war. My own instincts say that is probably not true.....me too!:hmmm:

Ukraine, Ukrainian Waterloo?

[mapuc]

A good FB-friend posted this video on my wall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrJ-SNN2as&ab_channel=JudgeNapolitano-JudgingFreedom

He is also very biased in his belief-Ukraine will lose against the mighty Russia.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

All western sources and their media allies say Ukraine is winning and can win this war. My own instincts say that is probably not true.....me too!:hmmm:

Ukraine, Ukrainian Waterloo?

I'd be interested to know why a French national of all people would make reference to Waterloo.

[Jeff-Groves]

I'd be interested to know why a French national of all people would make reference to Waterloo.

To embarrassed to talk about the Maginot Line?
:hmmm:

At lest there was a real battle at Waterloo.

[Exocet25fr]

Waterloo big French defeat, I forgot to specify ! do you understand now ? :yeah:

Sorry, but I don't understand the comments about Maginot Line, and French national of all people !? :hmmm:

[tonschk]

.
US to Declare Nazi Azov battalion as a ‘Friendly’ Neo-Nazi Group


As if imposing a $900 penalty on every American household for Ukraine wasn’t enough, American politicians may surprise us further

The Nazi Azov battalion, once sanctioned, now teeters on the brink of receiving personal war assistance from the US Congress, raising concerns about legitimizing Azov’s tyranny. The situation remains complex and somber, with a big climactic development on the horizon.


According to media reports, Congresswoman Victoria Spartz, an Indiana Republican, has stirred controversy by proposing an amendment to the 2024 Pentagon funding bill. This amendment seeks to lift the 2018 prohibition on funding the Nazi Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian unit with alleged neo-Nazi ties.

https://tfiglobalnews.com/2023/09/04/us-to-declare-azovs-a-friendly-neo-nazi-group/


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[Catfish]

“Mushroom poisoning”: rocket scientist dies after Russia’s failed moon mission

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/mushroom-poisoning-rocket-scientist-dies-after-russia-s-failed-moon-mission/ar-AA1gaiHR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6bff6053fa8441c3ae09b4fbd53f3990&ei=48

Polonium, tea and high-storeyd buildings have become soo expensive

[Jeff-Groves]

Sorry, but I don't understand the comments about Maginot Line, and French national of all people !? :hmmm:

Sorry, but I don't have time to get my crayons out.
:shifty:

[mapuc]

Every week a few hundred Ukrainian soldiers is send to Europe to be trained in NATO style warfare.

Which mean that each month or so Ukraine has a few thousand NATO trained soldiers they can add to the war machine.

Markus

[Skybird]

Plan C, anyone...?

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-russia-plan-c/


Western governments are disconnected from reality. And this will cost.

[mapuc]

Plan C, anyone...?

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-russia-plan-c/


Western governments are disconnected from reality. And this will cost.

Someone once wrote that time was on the Russian side-Here I was thinking some years from now where the resistance among the civilians here in Europe and USA has grown to a majority

Then I read this in the article:

Certainly, if Ukraine doesn’t make much greater progress on the ground by November, Milley’s caution will be revived and, this time, it risks turning into a chorus, with more people questioning whether this war is winnable. However, we then come up against the problem that’s dogged Western allies from the start, as they never collectively identified clear Ukrainian war aims — partly because trying to do so would have likely risked allied unity — and so “winnable” wasn’t ever defined.

Markus

[Skybird]

Ukraine now most likely goes after Tokmak, which controls road and railway nexi, and then Melitopol. If they can. There must have been serious losses.

For that they have, due to the coming mud season, maybe 8-10, maybe 11 weeks time from here on. Somewhere in Novembre mechanized operations probably become impossible. Until then they must create facts on the ground that impress even in times of Western election campaigns.

Still no Taurus deliveries. Little Babble Olaf is too afraid to decide it alone, he wants American Big Daddy should once again go first so that he can hide in the shadow of his big shoulders and then call it "enge Abstimmung mit unseren Verbündeten".

https://nerd-wiki.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/teufelsbaby.jpg


Its written in some news that Ukraine is running low on Western cruise missiles.

[mapuc]

The Danish audiotør korps, similar to Military Prosecution Service, is going to investigate if weapon and ammo who has been sent to Ukraine have been sold further.

Markus

[Eisenwurst]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEEIGvnu8eE

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzY8mwiZoGA

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6V_f3xIPYM

[Exocet25fr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wgLKBkKIQg

[Jimbuna]

Ben Wallace has mocked Vladimir Putin for "begging" North Korea for outdated weapons.

North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un is reportedly set to travel to meet the Russian President this month.

A US official said the pair will discuss the possibility of Pyongyang providing Moscow with weapons for its botched war in Ukraine.

But former defence secretary Mr Wallace, who resigned from his position last Thursday, taunted isolated Mr Putin for turning to North Korea.

The Conservative MP said: "And this is how it ends Mr Putin... the once mighty Russia scrabbling around looking for friends and begging North Korea for weapons from the 1960s."

The New York Times reported that the meeting between Mr Kim and Mr Putin could take place in the port city of Vladivostok, on the east coast of Russia.

Mr Putin is said to want his North Korean counterpart, who rarely leaves North Korea, to supply artillery shells and anti-tank missiles.

Meanwhile, the North Korean dictator is said to be asking for advanced technology for satellites and nuclear-powered submarines, as well as food aid.

National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson said the US expected "leader-level diplomatic engagement" on arms to take place between the two rogue nations.

She said: "Last month Sergei Shoigu, the Russian defence minister, travelled to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to try to convince Pyongyang to sell artillery ammunition to Russia.

"We have information that Kim Jong Un expects these discussions to continue, to include leader-level diplomatic engagement in Russia.

"We urge the DPRK to cease its arms negotiations with Russia and abide by the public commitments that Pyongyang has made to not provide or sell arms to Russia."

The Kremlin spokesman had "nothing to say" on the reports, while there was no immediate comment from North Korea.

[Skybird]

Young cadets sing the national anthem during a ceremony on the first day of school at a cadet school in Kiev.


Is this what its about...?



https://cdn.tickaroo.com/api/mediaproxy/v1/external-image/ThumbnailatorCropResizeCenterFillFilter/w1280dp-h853dp?url=imageservice%3A%2F%2Fmedia%2Forganizati on%2F58514026e4b08f124d8e26e6%2Fliveblog%2F5851402 6e4b08f124d8e26e6_607fc6ec55e2fbed8b8d2b4b%2FemVgE Qj52hvP6ZPvGosV%2FmmVgtkgq2hvP6ZPvGosb


No.


Putting young children in military uniforms is wrong. Always. Everywhere. In the Third Reich. In Russia. In Ukraine. And everywhere else. Its abuse.

[Reece]

Is that for real or maybe just kids messing around, much too young to make any real decisions, otherwise surely there would be an outcry from parents!! :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Can't be even close to the torment those kids who Putin kidnapped must be experiencing.

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUzb7p1jxjc


I know that Russia has schools like this, too, and other countries as well. That does not make it any better. Russia also has a youth organisation comparing to the Hitlerjugend in the Third Reich.



Its wrong, always.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1s3Xn6qBqQ

[u crank]

^^^

Perhaps there was a little liquid courage involved in that adventure.:()1:

And maybe a tongue lashing by superiors for recklessly endangering a valuable piece of hardware.:D:D

[mapuc]

Russia is on a charm tour in Cuba.

They promise young men in Cuba a citizenship if they sign up and some thousands Rubles/Dollars

Markus

[tonschk]

FIRST OF BRITISH CHALLENGER 2 TANKS BITE THE DUST IN ZAPORIZHZHIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st6hSFpItN0

[Exocet25fr]

Not probably but certainly a british built tank, not very reliable indeed !:)
he.. Jeff ?:03:

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1s3Xn6qBqQ
I am not impressed at all by that tank crew'S stunt.
Either they had no other choice due to irresponsible commands given to them by their uncaring superiors.

Or they pulled this stunt voluntarily, then I would say they are maximum unexperienced, maybe panicked.

Looks like a naive SBP player on his first go with the sim who had never played a tank sim before.

Stupid. Maybe this is why we are so hesitent to give them more equipment.

And where the heck was their support? Did they want to win the war alone? Artillery? Mortars? Infantry? Drones? Anything...?

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, a bit of more detailed information would of been helpful.

[Jimbuna]

FIRST OF BRITISH CHALLENGER 2 TANKS BITE THE DUST IN ZAPORIZHZHIA



Hardly comparable to the hundreds of tanks the invaders have lost.

[tonschk]

Hardly comparable to the hundreds of tanks the invaders have lost.

Too many to count the German leopards which already have bite the dust since
months into the flawed Nazi uikranian counteroffensive


.

[Dargo]

I am not impressed at all by that tank crew'S stunt.
Either they had no other choice due to irresponsible commands given to them by their uncaring superiors.

Or they pulled this stunt voluntarily, then I would say they are maximum unexperienced, maybe panicked.

Looks like a naive SBP player on his first go with the sim who had never played a tank sim before.

Stupid. Maybe this is why we are so hesitent to give them more equipment.

And where the heck was their support? Did they want to win the war alone? Artillery? Mortars? Infantry? Drones? Anything...?The tank losses are low in comparison to Russian tank loses and for an offensive (For reference, Oryx says Russia has lost more than 12004 vehicles since its all-out war began, including 2290 tanks Ukraine - 4375 vehicle Tanks 642). It’s unreasonable to expect the Ukrainian military to replicate the US victory in Desert Storm. Though brave and resourceful, Ukraine’s army is hastily transitioning from a Soviet-style to a Western-style way of war. And it’s doing this while attempting to penetrate multiple defensive lines manned by a foe superior in the quantity of manpower, armor, artillery, and airpower. This looks exactly what might happen to troops using unfamiliar equipment and tactics.

It needs to master its new Western equipment, and that means an expensive learning curve. A few destroyed equipment can be expected from an offensive like this, the issue isn’t simply counting losses. Contributing to the problem is a strange perception that Western armor is somehow invulnerable. In fact, Abrams tanks were destroyed in Desert Storm, as were Leopard 2s in Syria. For the most part, this can be blamed on poor tactics or even friendly fire (the same also be said of Russian tank losses in Ukraine).

Ukraine NATO Tanks: Approximately 595 Delivered - 74 Visually Confirmed Lost https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/10/how-is-russia-faring-against-nato.html

[Jimbuna]

Too many to count the German leopards which already have bite the dust since
months into the flawed Nazi uikranian counteroffensive


.

Still nowhere near the losses the invaders have suffered.

[Jeff-Groves]

Too many to count the German leopards which already have bite the dust since
months into the flawed Nazi uikranian counteroffensive.

That seems to be a re-worded phrase from the Battle of Kursk.

[mapuc]

Latest update as of 4th September from ISW


Ukrainian light infantry has advanced to positions beyond anti-tank ditches and dragon’s teeth anti-tank obstacles that comprise the current Russian defensive layer ahead of the Ukrainian advance in western Zaporizhia Oblast, and Ukrainian forces likely intend to hold those positions.

ISW is not prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have breached this Russian defensive layer in the absence of observed Ukrainian heavy equipment in these areas.

Geolocated footage published on September 4 indicates that Ukrainian forces advanced to tree-line positions that are east of the Russian anti-tank ditches and dragon’s teeth obstacles that are a part of a tri-layered defense immediately west of Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv).

Geolocated footage published on September 4 indicates that Ukrainian light infantry has also advanced further into a series of prepared Russian defensive positions along the road that runs northwest into Verbove.

Other geolocated footage published on September 4 indicates that Ukrainian forces have advanced up to Russian defensive positions between Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv) and Novoprokopivka (13km south of Orikhiv).

Ukrainian forces are widening the breach they have already made in one Russian defensive layer and are reportedly maneuvering more equipment and personnel into tactical rear areas of this layer.

Ukrainian forces appear to be making gains in the immediate vicinity of the not-yet-breached Russian defensive layer that runs northwest of Verbove to north of Solodka Balka (20km south of Orikhiv) with infantry assaults and heavy artillery fire on Russian positions further into and south of this layer.

The deployment of Ukrainian heavy equipment and more substantial forces to these areas than ISW has so far observed would indicate both a breach of this Russian defensive layer and an effort to widen that breach.


Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2R6WQv2qs

[Jeff-Groves]

Uncomfirmed sources tell us why France is hesitating to deliver Leclerc tanks to Ukraine.
An unknown source has revealed that upon facing an Opponent?
The Tank switches to reverse and immediately pops up a white flag!

Germany mean while, delays delivery of the Promised Leopard tanks.
Our source reports the loss of so many tanks back in the 40's is the reason.

Spain in the mean time has shipped nearly hundreds of thousand of Insults to the Ukrainians.
Phrases such as “Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!”
Along with complete instructions on how to deliver such insults.

[mapuc]

^ :har:

^^
And I who thought this was kept secret, where they are going to make their main punch.

Of course it could be a false information, in order to get Russia sending lots of troops to that area

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

Hi Jeff, it seems you have time to get your crayons out now, I have something for you, take your color crayons and complete this rabbit idiot image! :) your pseudo is PERFECT! :haha:

https://albumdecoloriages.com/dessin/jeux-videos/coloriage-lapins-cretins-114749.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

Romania has offered to send thousands of Vampires to assist Ukraine.

Hoping Ukraine will take that generous offer?
South Korea has agreed to start shipments of Garlic for the Ukrainian Troops.
South Korea is the 3rd largest producer of Garlic.

North Korea has agreed not to shoot any missle near Ukraine.

In a stunning move? China has claimed the Black Sea as part of thier territory!
Evidence produced to back up this claim? It has water.
That's pretty undeniable evidence!

[Jeff-Groves]

Hi Jeff, it seems you have time to get your crayons out now, I have something for you, take your color crayons and complete this idiot rabbit image! :)

https://albumdecoloriages.com/dessin/jeux-videos/coloriage-lapins-cretins-114749.jpg
I don't have time to do your portrait.
:03:

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bQ08J8aTic&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Analysts have declared cyber attacks from Russia are at an all time high!
They also point out 90% of those attacks are hitting Migdet Porn sites.

France in the mean time is said to be rebuilding the Maginot Line.
Sources at Logo say they are ramping up production to meet Frances demands.

[Dargo]

Challenger 2 update: Defence sources say it hit a mine which ignited the rear fuel tank (M-Kill).

Crew evacuated. While waiting to recover it, it was struck by a Lancet loitering munition. (k-kill)

Immobilised tank was unusually vulnerable because as “switched off & on fire” https://twitter.com/jeromestarkey/status/1699139007156715821

[Jeff-Groves]

All further Crews in Challanger 2 Tanks have been instructed to remove their Car and House keys from the Tank keys!

[mapuc]

Only reason why USA is helping Ukraine in their effort to win the war is that USA want Ukraine be a NATO member, so they can place nukes near the border to Russia.

Said to my friend-They do not have to they have nukes in Turkey and on submarines north of Barents. These nukes can hit Russia within 5-10 minutes.

Markus

[August]

Only reason why USA is helping Ukraine in their effort to win the war is that USA want Ukraine be a NATO member, so they can place nukes near the border to Russia.

Said to my friend-They do not have to they have nukes in Turkey and on submarines north of Barents. These nukes can hit Russia within 5-10 minutes.

Markus




Then there is the long border with Finland and also borders with the Baltic states. The Latvian border being even closer to Moscow than Ukraine's border.

[Skybird]

The original in The economist is behind a pay wall.


https://m-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/gastbeitrag-von-georgiens-ex-praesident-micheil-saakaschwili-saakaschwili-warnt-den-westen-putin-ist-tyrann-mit-dem-man-nicht-reden-kann_id_203778189.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95sFIRPJEew

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqSagIp47y0

[Skybird]

Are Kiev running out of soldiers? "Sooner or later this problem will become central"


https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/experte-erklaert-welche-fragen-im-ukraine-krieg-jetzt-wichtig-werden_id_203507591.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Jeff-Groves]

In an interesting turn of events?
Sources say Germany has offered Ukraine the U-19, U-20, and U-23 Submarines located in the Black Sea.

A concern that this offer was not genuine lead to an indignant responce from Germany.
"There was nothing wrong with them when We left them there!"

[Jeff-Groves]

Mean while........

Pfizer is rumored to be working on a vaccine that prevents catching the Russian Bullet.
France agrees to send 100 Trebuchets as a show of support. They did not promise to send the Cows needed for ammunition.
Italy's support is said to be based on voting results. 53% are in favor of a traditional Pizza, 34% favor a Chicago Deep dish, and the rest vote send spaghetti.
Intellegence sources have discovered a planned Russian offensive for Septermber 19Th. Operation "Говорите, как пират"

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLzO9EjSQIU

[Jeff-Groves]

Russian Forces from Vladivostok invaded and captured Kiev it was claimed!
Unfortunatly, due to a mis-spelling? They captured Kievka after a 308 km advance..
North Korea continues to fire missles into the Sea as support for Russia.
That strategy seems to be working as there are no signs of Godzilla detected.

[Catfish]

^ :rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[Jeff-Groves]

It's rumored Russian Front line Troops are not happy with their night vision devices.
"What good are flash lights?" One captured combatant commented.

A large supply of Chinese AK-47's and AK-74's are said to be sitting unused by the Russian Forces.
Seems the instuctions are translated from Chinese and no one can figure them out.

Mexico, which said they did not support the invasion of Ukraine over a year ago,
Has shipped tons of Chia Seeds to Ukraine. It's believed they provided supernatural powers.

[Commander Wallace]

^ I really wish you would get with the program, Jeff. Godzilla was taken out long ago when long time adversaries Mothra and Rodan teamed up against Godzilla. I suggest you go back and watch the old movies. :yep: :haha:

[Jeff-Groves]

^ I really wish you would get with the program, Jeff. Godzilla was taken out long ago when long time adversaries Mothra and Rodan teamed up against Godzilla. I suggest you go back and watch the old movies. :yep: :haha:

Tell that to North Korea.
:03:
But does explain the lack of sightings.

[Dargo]

Ukraine’s Strikes Behind Enemy Lines Are Paying Off


At first, it looks like ordinary surveillance footage of a large military plane sitting on the tarmac. But then the wing catches fire. A second plane flickers across the screen, and in an instant its fuselage is engulfed in flames. Even in grainy black and white you can see the smoke billowing up into the night sky.

Two Russian Ilyushin IL-76 strategic airlifters were destroyed by Ukrainian drones on Aug. 29 at Kresty air base in Pskov, Russia, at a cost of about $100 million to the Kremlin. Kresty is home to the 334th Military Transport Aviation Regiment, a seemingly well-fortified location close to Estonia’s southern border but over 430 miles from the battlespace in Ukraine. Two more IL-76s were also left badly damaged by the attack, perhaps beyond repair.

The symbolism of this sortie was profound. The IL-76 is the type of transport plane Russian paratroopers flew on into Kyiv in an abortive attempt to decapitate the Ukrainian government in late February 2022, a mission Moscow and many Western analysts believed would take no more than 72 hours. Eighteen months later, Ukraine is not only “invading” Russia on a near-daily basis, launching long-range drones from Ukrainian territory, but also — and more embarrassingly for Moscow — using assets recruited by Ukrainian military intelligence (HUR) to launch short-range ones from within Russian. HUR’s popular and highly meme-able chief, Maj. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, has confirmed that the latter method was used for the Pskov operation.

In fact, six different Russian regions were lit up on Aug. 29 by an unprecedented, multipronged attack whose other targets, successfully struck, included a fuel depot in Kaluga and a microelectronics factory in Bryansk, where components for Russian weapons systems are manufactured. Just a week earlier, on Aug. 22, Ukrainian saboteurs used quadcopter drones — weaponized versions of the type of hobbyist kit readily available for purchase — to take out a supersonic Tupolev Tu-22M3 Russian nuclear bomber on the tarmac at the Soltsy-2 air base, south of St. Petersburg. Soltsy-2 is over 370 miles from the Ukrainian border, meaning that any such unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) would almost certainly have been launched from within Russia by HUR-recruited assets.

That Ukraine’s premier spy service has such an extensive agent network within Russia comes as little surprise. Lt. Gen. Valeriy Kondratyuk, the former chief of HUR under former President Petro Poroshenko and then the head of the foreign intelligence service under President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, told one of the present writers in 2021 that he had in place any number of cross-border operations, many of which bore resemblances to tradecraft of the Israeli Mossad intelligence agency, but was asked by the United States to forbear for fear of “provoking” Russia. A genocidal war of conquest has evidently diminished this provocation quotient considerably as Russian proxy forces under the control of HUR have staged repeated incursions into Russia’s border regions over the past year. In June 2023, just as Ukraine’s counteroffensive in the south was getting underway, these assets managed to occupy vast swaths of Belgorod oblast for a little over two weeks, an abasement of Russia’s FSB-controlled Border Guard, local law enforcement and military, which were equally caught flat-footed (or left indifferent) in late June to the abortive putsch by the mercenary Wagner Group. The proxies used MaxxPro MRAP (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles in seeming contravention of the U.S. condition that no American weapons be used over the border. Yet the incursions have been met with no public complaint from Washington, much less a cut-off in security assistance to Kyiv.

“What is happening?” a disoriented Vladimir Solovyov asked three times in the space of 30 seconds on the state-owned Rossiya-1 television channel on Aug. 30, before demanding to know how Russia would be able to “cope with F-16s” if it “can’t cope with drones.”

Russia’s most febrile propagandist has a point.

Ukraine’s ability to project power well behind a 1,000-mile line of contact has grown nearly exponentially since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion last year. In 2023, Ukrainian UAVs have, among other things, exploded near the dome of the Senate Palace within the Kremlin, smashed into apartments in central Moscow rumored to be the homes of members of the Russian special services and hit a tower block housing Russian government offices in the city’s busy business district. Relying on Russian-language media and open-source material sourced from Russian social media channels, the BBC counted 190 suspected Ukrainian attacks inside Russia and occupied Crimea in 2023. The regular drone strikes have forced Moscow’s airports to cancel, delay and divert hundreds of incoming and outgoing flights, further damaging Russia’s aviation industry, which has already come under heavy pressure from Western sanctions.

“For all the sniping from anonymous Pentagon officials about how Ukrainians aren’t performing well in the current counteroffensive, what they’re doing superbly is something the Pentagon has long advocated: multi-domain warfare,” retired Gen. Ben Hodges, the former commander of the U.S. Army in Europe, told New Lines, describing American military doctrine in general. “They’re hitting Russia by land, sky and sea and doing so harder and harder.”

A nation home both to a famous military-industrial complex and a population of engineers and IT specialists is only growing savvier and more innovative as the war carries on. As Budanov himself put it when asked about attacks inside Russia, we should expect only more of these operations, “deeper and deeper” across Russia.

One of the most audacious in the Crimean Peninsula was an Aug. 23 strike that took out a Russian S-400 air defense system, reportedly using a modified ground attack version of Ukraine’s Neptune anti-ship missile. Adding to that humiliation was the fact that the elimination of the S-400 was filmed by an HUR reconnaissance drone flying high above, similarly unmolested by Russia’s much-touted air defenses. Zelenskyy has claimed that “the range of our new Ukrainian weapons is now 700 kilometers [435 miles],” without specifying the systems.

So far as is publicly available, the most significant tool in Ukraine’s long-range strike arsenal is its fleet of indigenously developed long-range UAVs, which can be viewed as a Ukrainian version of Russia’s Iranian supplied Shahed-136 suicide drones. There are a number of programs developing this capability for the Ukrainian military, with private industry and Ukrainian civil society taking the lead. As with the Shahed, the key feature of these autonomous aircraft is their low cost and ease of assembly.

At one end of the spectrum are repurposed Chinese drones such as the Mugin-5 Pro, which can be purchased for less than $10,000 on Chinese marketplace websites Alibaba or AliExpress. These were successfully used in strikes against an oil refinery in Novoshakhtinsk, in the Rostov region, in June 2022, and against the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, in Sevastopol, Crimea, in August. At the other end is the Ukrainian Beaver attack drone, a far more sophisticated platform built specifically for HUR. A number of Beavers were believed to have been used in recent Ukrainian strikes on Moscow, the largest of which consisted of up to 25 drones that attacked the city in waves on May 30. The Ukrainian government did not officially claim responsibility in keeping with its preferred method of resorting to innuendo and snark, which nonetheless leaves little room for doubt. (Budanov’s acknowledgment that the Kresty mission was HUR’s handiwork, and his agency’s release of the footage of the hit IL-76s described above, was a rare exception to Kyiv’s policy of implausible deniability.)

The Beaver is a characteristic example of Ukraine’s civil-military wartime collaboration and penchant for rubbing Russians’ noses in their own vulnerability. Ukrainian politician and comic actor Serhiy Prytula stated on camera on July 30, “We have no idea what could fly to Moscow,” mere hours after drones slammed into a Moscow high-rise containing government offices. Prytula said this while standing in front of three Beaver drones, whose distinctive silhouette was identical to the aircraft that hit the Russian capital. In April 2022, Prytula told the present writers in Kyiv that his eponymous foundation was financing an ambitious drone program for Ukraine via crowdfunding. Over a year later, he has raised more than $10 million. Each Beaver is estimated to cost around $110,000.

The Kremlin is under no illusions about the potential threat of these cheap and plentiful munitions.

Even before the Ukrainian strikes had begun, in January, it started positioning short-range air defense systems in Moscow. Now a common sight is the Pantsir platform atop government buildings, including the headquarters of the Ministry of Defense. In a move reminiscent of the German “flak towers” that ringed Berlin during World War II, the Kremlin has now been erecting large static platforms around Moscow to mount air defense systems.

In addition to these bespoke solutions and modified commercial platforms, Ukraine is turning to heterodox means of expanding its long-range arsenal. Earlier in the war, dated Tupolev Tu-143 reconnaissance drones, first produced in the 1970s, were used as makeshift cruise missiles against Russian targets, one such example being shot down over Kursk, western Russia, in June 2022 by a Russian Buk surface-to-air missile.

More impressively, Kyiv has repurposed the Soviet-era and obsolete S-200 surface-to-air missile into a precision-strike weapon. The first evidence of this relatively novel application was when a Russian CCTV camera filmed an incoming object with the dagger-shaped profile of the S-200 slamming into a sawmill in Bytosh, in the Bryansk region, on July 9. Russian authorities have claimed the Ukrainians have used more S-200s to target other positions both within Ukraine and in Russia including the Kerch Bridge, which connects mainland Russia to occupied Crimea, on more than one occasion, although with apparently little to no success.

Ukrainian naval drones, meanwhile, routinely harass the Black Sea Fleet and Russian logistics. What began as little more than a militarized Jet Ski, using a jerry-rigged Starlink satellite internet system for guidance and carrying a relatively small warhead, has matured into one of the sophisticated seaborne drones currently in active service.

The Sea Baby, produced and operated by Ukraine’s internal security service, the SBU, has so far been used against the large Russian landing ship Olenegorsky Gornyak, near the port of Novorossiysk, and the Russian tanker SIG. Both suffered severe damage, large holes punched into their hulls, with the Russian warship possibly damaged beyond economical repair. More importantly, the naval drones have heavily damaged the Kerch Bridge.

On July 17, one Sea Baby detonated under the dual-track roadway section of the $4 billion structure, sending one of its spans into the water. Approximately five minutes later, another drone hit under the railway section, causing less serious damage. This was the second SBU-launched attack on the bridge; the first, in October 2022, used a truck bomb and heavily damaged both the road and railway components. The Russian military has resorted to sinking block ships in the Kerch Strait in order to partially defend the channel against further drone strikes; but as the waterway is an active shipping route, a potential attack route will always have to be left open.

Ukrainian seaborne drones have now also created significant problems for Russian commercial shipping in the Black Sea.

A common misconception in the popular coverage of the Turkish-negotiated grain deal that allowed Ukrainian grain to be safely exported, from which Russia unilaterally withdrew in July and doesn’t seem likely to rejoin in the near future, was that it just protected Ukrainian shipping. The reality was that it also protected Russian merchant ships transiting to and from the various Black Sea ports, which are responsible for a significant amount of Russia’s maritime trade. In a sign of the importance Ukraine has placed on the weapons, an SBU special brigade has been created to operate the Sea Babies. The existence of the 385th Separate Special Purpose Unmanned Surface Vehicle Brigade was revealed on Aug. 24, when Zelenskyy presented the unit with its battle flag.

“Novorossiysk isn’t just a naval base,” David Rider, a maritime security and intelligence analyst, told New Lines. “It’s also where the Caspian Pipeline Consortium oil conduit from Kazakhstan terminates and an important grain export hub for Russia. Marine insurance for the region is already incredibly difficult for vessel operators to secure.” Rider added that, as of Aug. 23, the waters around Russia’s Black Sea ports — which collectively account for about 70% of Russian grain exports — will be designated a war-risk area by Ukraine, putting Russia’s economy, already crippled under sanctions, under even greater stress.

“Freight costs are rising and Russia has had to turn to less well established vessel operators who use smaller, older ships to transit grain,” Rider said. “Added to that, requests for ship charters from Russia reportedly doubled year on year in July.”

There is good reason to believe that one of the psychological motives for these deep-strike attacks isn’t just to remind a largely apathetic Russian populace that this is their war, too, but also to persuade the United States and NATO that they can afford to poke the bear harder by means “seen and unseen,” as U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan might put it. Gone are the days of worrying that a conventional war between NATO and Russia would be a close-run thing; or gone should be those days, the Ukrainians are signaling.

A senior HUR official close to Budanov messaged one of the present writers on the day of the Pskov operation. “This raises the question of the Russian Armed Forces’ inability to withstand Ukrainian air attacks,” he wrote. “But an even bigger problem is the insecurity of Russia’s military infrastructure on its border with NATO. If NATO attacks, the Russian Federation will lose aircraft and equipment at airfields and bases 400 kilometers [250 miles] deep from the border in a matter of hours. After each Ukrainian strike, Russia’s insecurity becomes more and more obvious to potential adversaries.” https://newlinesmag.com/argument/ukraines-strikes-behind-enemy-lines-are-paying-off/

[Jeff-Groves]

China is said to have claimed an Island from Russia.
This puts a strain on their relationship.
Russia is accused of moving it from the South China Sea to it's current location.
"You no keep Irand!"

In what is seen as an attempt to get heat off Putin? Russia has petitioned the ICC to declare Godzilla as a War Criminal.
Stateing Godzilla's crimes against humanity and the crime of aggression as captured on film.

[mapuc]

Not going to rush them in their offensive, if it wasn't for the rain season who begins in a few weeks from now.

Can they be satisfied with their offensive so far ?

Should they have concentrated all their manpower and material in one area ?
and make one big push.

Hopefully they will reach Tokmak before the rain season start.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7dfNx4VLo

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhx2PW1sR8

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuTr4c3e7mM&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[em2nought]

So much money that could have sealed our southern border. :/\\!!

[Dargo]

All support will be repaid maybe not in money, but the donor will get paid in influence or else. Second, it is cheaper to donate equipment than mothball them, allot are old stuff new equipment is being produced and ordered. Third, this battleground is the best test for our weapons think the German IRIS-T SLM developer is glad of their results in Ukraine of their equipment, this means more orders for this factory.

US Army scraps Abrams tank upgrade, unveils new modernization plan (https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/09/06/us-army-scraps-abrams-tank-upgrade-unveils-new-modernization-plan/)

“We’re essentially going to invest those resources into the [research and] development on this new upgraded Abrams,” Secretary Gabe Camarillo said. “[I]t’s really threat-based, it’s everything that we’re seeing right now, even recently in Ukraine in terms of a native active protection system, lighter weight, more survivability, and of course reduced logistical burdens as well for the Army.”

[mapuc]

According to NY Times Russia has lost around 100.000-120.000 KIA and 160-180.00 WIA while Ukraine has lost 70-80.000 KIA and 80-100.000 WIA.

This was shown in todays program "The World According to News"

The program was only about Ukraine and the war. The expert in the program said, an Ukrainian victory wasn't a Fata Morgana and it was in reach within in the next 2-3 years from now.

They also said the death/wounded relation between Ukraine and Russia was 1 to 3-4.

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

Communications War ? :hmmm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCAtacifDlg

[mapuc]

Day 561 of my 3 day war. The Russian army tactically advances backwards from Robotnye whilst Ukraine makes unplanned forward retreats in a panic after them.

I remain a master strategist

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1699688505549418707

Markus

[tonschk]

ISREALI RABBI: UKRAINE IS A NEO NAZI REGIME AND NEEDS TO REPENT, BANDERA IS A FASCIST CRIMINAL

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FZ46Y2CcCdvc/



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309080350380330.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309080350380330.png)

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eefq3Epl69c&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[Skybird]

This can't be true...:o
https://m-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/brisanter-brief-aufgetaucht-zu-gut-um-wahr-zu-sein-fuer-getreide-deal-wirft-sich-die-un-putin-an-den-hals_id_204046939.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I dispise the UN since long. But like the EU I really start to hate it....

[Reece]

This has to be a sick joke or something Marc?? :k_confused:

[mapuc]

This can't be true...:o
https://m-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/brisanter-brief-aufgetaucht-zu-gut-um-wahr-zu-sein-fuer-getreide-deal-wirft-sich-die-un-putin-an-den-hals_id_204046939.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I dispise the UN since long. But like the EU I really start to hate it....

Please enlighten me-There's no text and I can't play the video.

Markus

[Skybird]

Elon Musk confirmes he saved the Russian fleet from destruction.



[FAZ] Tech billionaire Elon Musk said he has prevented a Ukrainian attack on Russia's Black Sea fleet in the port city of Sevastopol. He rejected a request from the Ukrainian government to activate his company SpaceX's Starlink satellite communications system in the region, Musk wrote on his online platform X on Friday night.

"Their obvious intent was to sink most of the anchored fleet," he wrote. SpaceX would thus have been involved in a major act of war and escalation, Musk reasoned. Musk's comments came after the publication of an excerpt from the tech entrepreneur's soon-to-be-released biography in The Washington Post. There, his biographer Walter Isaacson wrote after conversations with Musk that the latter had Starlink coverage around Crimea shut down in September 2022 so that Ukrainian underwater drones loaded with explosives could not reach their target. Musk contradicted this account, from the book to be published Tuesday, at Platform X. "The Starlink regions in question were not activated. SpaceX did not deactivate anything," he wrote.

The six Ukrainian underwater drones were off course without the Starlink link, the excerpt in The Washington Post said. They ran aground on the shore without causing any damage, it said. Musk had feared Russia might respond to such an attack with nuclear weapons.


--------

Thats what happens when private business becomes so powerful that it can interfere with global politics. To hell with this basterd - the fleet later lauched many cruise missile attacks that destroyed Ukrainian targets and killed Ukrainians. Is Musk a government legitimized by the people to weigh these things against each other?


See, this illustrates why I would never do any kind of deal or business with him, and will never buy anything produced by him. This, and his manipulative stocks and business statements.

[Skybird]

Please enlighten me-There's no text and I can't play the video.

Markus
Click the X at the top right corner of the video window, then the window goes away and relases the text.

[mapuc]

Click the X at the top right corner of the video window, then the window goes away and relases the text.

Thank you.

I say the same-has UN gone mad.

Markus

[Skybird]

"all the clues point toward Kyiv"

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/investigating-the-attack-on-nord-stream-all-the-clues-point-toward-kyiv-a-124838c7-992a-4d0e-9894-942d4a665778

The German government will do anything it can to suppress any evidence on this, and as said earlier, already seem to do so. But it must be brought forward, it must be verified to not be a Russian false flag operation - and then there have to be grim consequences.

[mapuc]

Why !?

Why didn't Zelenskyy flee the country last year, when the invasion started and he was asked if he needed help to get out.

This is what I ask myself each time I read some statement or issue about his millions in Off-shore.

He and his family could have lived a comfortable life with all his millions somewhere here in the west-But instead he stayed on post and asked for ammo.

Markus

[mapuc]

"all the clues point toward Kyiv"

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/investigating-the-attack-on-nord-stream-all-the-clues-point-toward-kyiv-a-124838c7-992a-4d0e-9894-942d4a665778

The German government will do anything it can to suppress any evidence on this, and as said earlier, already seem to do so. But it must be brought forward, it must be verified to not be a Russian false flag operation - and then there have to be grim consequences.

I posted a similar article some weeks ago

https://slovenia.postsen.com/world/159402/Spiegel-and-ZDF-Ukrainian-saboteurs-are-behind-the-attack-on-Nord-Stream.html

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-3dYcGBTxY&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Dargo]

ISREALI RABBI: UKRAINE IS A NEO NAZI REGIME AND NEEDS TO REPENT, BANDERA IS A FASCIST CRIMINAL

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FZ46Y2CcCdvc/



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309080350380330.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309080350380330.png)Bandera was assassinated by a KGB agent in Munich on 15 October 1959 did you ever saw newspapers in Israel they accuse their own politicians being Hitler LOL

[tonschk]

POLLING STATIONS IN DONETSK REPORTING ON FIRST RUSSIAN ELECTION'S IN DONBASS WHILE NAZI DICTATOR ZELENSKY BAN ELECTIONS IN UKRAINE

https://www.bitchute.com/video/1xztVaTjiDt7/

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309090029010341.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309090029010341.png)

[mapuc]

He is not banning the elections in Ukraine-He has postpone them until the war is over.

Which is understandable. It is impossible to protect each voters and voting stations around Ukraine.

There's a war going on-Democracy has to step down for a while.

Markus

[Dargo]

POLLING STATIONS IN DONETSK REPORTING ON FIRST RUSSIAN ELECTION'S IN DONBASS WHILE NAZI DICTATOR ZELENSKY BAN ELECTIONS IN UKRAINE

[SNIP]An overwhelming majority of lawmakers voted to extend martial law in a session of the Verkhovna Rada parliament. Elections cannot be held during martial law.

[Catfish]

@Mapuc and Dargo
Don't feed the troll :03:

[Dargo]

UK planes protecting Ukraine ships from Russian attack after grain deal collapseRAF is conducting patrols over the Black Sea to deter Putin from carrying out attacks on civilian vessels carrying grain exports
RAF aircraft are protecting cargo vessels carrying grain from Ukraine, following Russian attacks, Downing Street has revealed. In recent weeks, British aircraft have been conducting patrols over the Black Sea to deter Russia from carrying out strikes on civilian vessels.

The Ministry of Defence stepped up its activity in the area after Moscow began attacking grain infrastructure in July, when it scrapped a deal that allowed Ukraine to export grain from its Black Sea ports. Grain from the Black Sea region is considered vital for staving off hunger in lower-income countries. Russia said it had pulled out of the deal because Ukraine refused to reopen an ammonia pipeline that runs from central Russia to the Black Sea.

Downing Street said: “We will use our intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance to monitor Russian activity in the Black Sea … As part of these surveillance operations, RAF aircraft are conducting flights over the area to deter Russia from carrying out illegal strikes against civilian vessels transporting grain.”

The disclosure came as the Government announced that the UK will host an international food security summit in November “to tackle the causes of food insecurity and malnutrition.”
‘The G20 will work together against Putin’

The issue is expected to feature at the G20 summit in Delhi, which Rishi Sunak is attending this weekend. The Prime Minister said: “Once again, Vladimir Putin is failing to show his face at the G20. He is the architect of his own diplomatic exile, isolating himself in his presidential palace and blocking out criticism and reality. “The rest of the G20, meanwhile, are demonstrating that we will turn up and work together to pick up the pieces of Putin’s destruction.

“That starts with dealing with the terrible global consequences of Putin’s stranglehold over the most fundamental resources, including his blockade of and attacks on Ukrainian grain.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/08/raf-russia-ukraine-black-sea-grain-exports/

[u crank]

Is this war a failure in basic diplomacy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0Y_ETTTf4

[Catfish]

^ yes it is a diplomatic failure trying to appease a wannabe dictator, like Germany did for the last decades with Putin, having learned nothing from WW2 and history generally :D

[u crank]

^ If your plan of appeasement is to surround Putin with NATO countries then I would say that diplomacy is out the window. :D

[mapuc]

Is Russia giving up Donbas and Luhansk ?

This is what I get from watching the latest videos on yt.

They have moved their best soldiers south to stop Ukrainian advancement.

Could also be they are determined on protecting Crimea at the cost of Donbas and Luhansk.

Markus

[Dargo]

Is Russia giving up Donbas and Luhansk ?

This is what I get from watching the latest videos on yt.

They have moved their best soldiers south to stop Ukrainian advancement.

Could also be they are determined on protecting Crimea at the cost of Donbas and Luhansk.

MarkusDo not think that for Russia it is vital to prevent Ukraine taking their supply line, so Russia need to strengthen the front where Ukraine tries to break through.

[Dargo]

US likely to send long-range ATACMS missiles to Ukraine for the first time: Officials"They are coming," one U.S. official told ABC News.
The Biden administration is likely to send Ukraine long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, to help in its fight to repel the Russian invasion of its territory, according to U.S. officials.

"They are coming," said one official who had access to security assistance plans. The official noted that, as always, such plans are subject to change until officially announced.

A second official said the missiles are "on the table" and likely to be included in an upcoming security assistance package, adding that a final decision has not been made. It could be months before Ukraine receives the missiles, according to the official... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-send-long-range-atacms-missiles-ukraine-time/story?id=103031722

[tonschk]

These 30 minutes video contain everything we really need to know about Ukraine from the very beginning to this whole catastrophe. My hat's off to Judge Napolitano and Jeffrey Sachs. Except for prof. Sachs there is no one else who could provide more rational explanation analysis about this war. I pray to God for this madness to stop and I wish peace to all of you!


Is this war a failure in basic diplomacy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0Y_ETTTf4

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=809iwZixZUU&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

Zelensky admitted that Russia has "blocked" Ukraine's mission through their hellbirds...

This information was confirmed by the French official media this morning too....!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29CzHkK65s

[tonschk]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309091906540292.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309091906540292.png)

[mapuc]

What's up and down in this Elon Musk saga ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n8EmVtr9fE&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Rockstar]

Musk never admitted to ordering shutting off or disabling Starlink to Sevastopol Crimea. Newspapers and Walter Issacson said he did and once again the mob of guliable morons ran with with it.

Walter Issacson recently made this statement: “To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.’

And you know what? I don’t even believe Issacson’s so called clarification either. Number one Starlink is a civilian satellite system, it is NOT a military one. And I’d guaran-goddamn-tee you that if Musk or any other private U.S. individual arbitrarily allowed a foreign government the use of private assets such Starlink to wage war without first consulting their own government. The U.S. government would come down on them so fookin’ hard it would make your head spin and they’d be in jail as we speak.

The U.S. government already has a military version of Starlink satellites in orbit. If anything Issacson amd Ukraine should have known better and thought of the need to ask a friendly foreign government instead of a private individual or company.

[Jeff-Groves]

Publicly available GPS satellites and open source GPS software can handle the job.
Given the Billions (Many times over!) One shouldn't need Starlink to start with.
Throw in Open Source AI? I don't see the problem.

[tonschk]

By Ebenezer Mensah 4 days ago


HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH ACCUSES UKRAINIAN MILITARY OF USING CLUSTER MUNITIONS CAUSING CIVILIAN DEATHS

Human Rights Watch (HRW) has raised serious concerns regarding the Ukrainian military’s use of cluster munitions in shelling the city of Izyum, resulting in civilian casualties. These findings shed light on a troubling aspect of the conflict and have implications for international norms and agreements.

HRW’s Mary Wareham revealed that their investigators uncovered evidence of cluster munitions being used in Izyum after Russian forces withdrew from the area. The remnants of these munitions were found scattered throughout the city, leading investigators to conclude that Ukrainian forces were responsible for their use.

https://bnn.network/breaking-news/human-rights-watch-accuses-ukrainian-military-of-using-cluster-munitions-causing-civilian-deaths/



https://i.postimg.cc/kgNmmwYs/human-rights-watch-accuses-ukrainian-military-of-using-cluster-munitions-causing-civilian-deaths-202.webp (https://postimages.org/)picupload (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

The problem are people like Musk. His employees are the ones with ideas, he only provides money. When he tries to enter politics, shoot him :D
Seriously, he is a joke.

[Rockstar]

Publicly available GPS satellites and open source GPS software can handle the job.
Given the Billions (Many times over!) One shouldn't need Starlink to start with.
Throw in Open Source AI? I don't see the problem.

Might work for a time, but civilian gps signals can be jammed in selective areas by friend or foe. Might be part of the reason Russia reroutes or cancels flights within its airspace. Who knows for sure, I’m just making up as I go along anyway. :D

[August]

The problem are people like Musk. His employees are the ones with ideas, he only provides money. When he tries to enter politics, shoot him :D
Seriously, he is a joke.




Well he is a self made billionaire so that joke has done far better in life than you have. Does that make you an even bigger joke that him? :D

[Jeff-Groves]

And exactly how many of us poor folks are running this War?
:hmmm:
My guess is not a single freaking person in control only has the money I have.

I'd wage War on the people in power in my tiny Village but can't afford to.
Now if my Lotto tickets hit? I'm all in for a small War here!
:haha:

[Rockstar]

The problem are people like Musk. His employees are the ones with ideas, he only provides money. When he tries to enter politics, shoot him :D
Seriously, he is a joke.

Bloomberg Billionaires Index

https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/elon-r-musk/#xj4y7vzkg

229 billion dollar net worth

Education: University of Pennsylvania, Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania

Born in South Africa to an engineer father and nutritionist mother, Musk left home as a 17-year-old for college in Canada, in part to avoid serving in the apartheid-era South African army. After graduating from the University of Pennsylvania with degrees in physics and economics, he enrolled at Stanford University. He dropped out after his first few days to pursue his three main areas of interest: the Internet, clean energy and space.

He created an online publishing platform called Zip2 in 1995 and sold it four years later for more than $300 million. He reinvested some of the proceeds to start X.com, an online payment system. He would merge that with what eventually became PayPal, the e-commerce site that was ultimately sold to eBay for $1.5 billion in 2002.

His next project: SpaceX, a closely held rocket company that was tapped by NASA to take over space shuttle's role of resupplying the International Space Station. A year later, he co-founded Tesla, the company that produced the world's first all-electric, zero-emission sports car in 2010. In the same year the company sold shares in a public offering.

His third company, SolarCity, was a provider of solar power systems. SolarCity sold shares in a public offering in 2012 and was bought by Tesla on Nov. 21, 2016.

Musk, who has said he intends to retire on planet Mars, joined Warren Buffett's Giving Pledge in April 2012.

Tesla became the world's most valuable carmaker in July 2020 and further gains led to Musk becoming the world's richest person in January 2021. He announced in October 2021 that Tesla would move its headquarters from Palo Alto, California to Austin, Texas.

In April 2022 Musk made an offer to buy Twitter Inc for $44 billion after acquiring a stake in the social-media firm. After its board agreed to recommend the deal, Musk spent months trying to terminate it. Musk eventually purchased Twitter in October 2022.

Milestones
1971 Elon Musk is born in Pretoria, South Africa.
1981 Buys first computer at age 10.
1983 Creates and sells his first commercial software game, Blastar.
1999 Develops an online payment system called X.com.
2000 Merges X.com with PayPal's parent company, Cofinity.
2002 PayPal acquired by eBay for $1.5 billion.
2002 Establishes SpaceX in a former airplane hangar near LAX.
2003 Begins designing the all-electric Tesla Roadster.
2008 SpaceX delivers its first satellite into space.
2010 Tesla Motors begins trading on the NASDAQ stock exchange.
2022 Purchases social-media company Twitter Inc for $44 billion.


Call me crazy but it seems to me the jokes on you.

[Skybird]

The declaration of the G20 summit is a bad joke but shows where the journey is heading. Western nations should have boycotted it. Better no - useless - paper, than this one.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0fB6C_qx-A&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[mapuc]

Is the video real or is it a fake ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMLYwhG7mmM&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

[Rockstar]

G20 statement drops reference to Russia aggression ‘against’ Ukraine

Joint language does not condemn Moscow’s invasion after China refused to repeat critical wording

https://archive.ph/etSf1

Henry Foy, John Reed and James Politi in New Delhi, and Joe Leahy in Beijing 9 HOURS AGO

https://archive.ph/etSf1/abdaa0817ec35b3bc996c5dca7cd47579dea0986.avif
Western countries have struggled to convince developing nations to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine © AFP via Getty Images

G20 leaders have failed to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in a joint statement after China and Russia rejected language that blamed Moscow for the conflict, highlighting the lack of global consensus in support of Kyiv. The New Delhi summit declaration(opens a new window) refers only to the “war in Ukraine”, a formulation that supporters of Kyiv such as the US and Nato allies have previously rejected as it implies both sides are equally complicit. That statement, hammered out over weeks of negotiations between diplomats, is a blow to western countries that have spent the past year attempting to convince developing countries to condemn Moscow and support Ukraine.

The previous G20 declaration, made in Indonesia last November, referred to “aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine”. Western diplomats said China’s refusal to repeat that formulation was critical in pushing host India to propose compromise language.

Referring to the war, India’s external affairs minister S Jaishankar said: “It is a fact that this is today a very polarising issue and there are multiple views on this. There are a spectrum of views on this, so I think in all fairness it was only right to record what was the reality in the meeting rooms.”

A spokesman for Ukraine’s foreign ministry said in response to the statement: “In terms of Russia’s aggression against Ukraine, the Group of Twenty has nothing to be proud of. It is obvious that the participation of the Ukrainian side would allow the participants to better understand the situation.”

The declaration also contains a pledge by the leaders of the world’s biggest economies to “pursue and encourage efforts to triple renewable energy capacity globally”, but does not include any deadline for phasing out fossil fuels. China and Saudi Arabia led efforts to block such language in G20 meetings in July.

Adopting the declaration will be a foreign policy coup for India and its prime minister Narendra Modi, after speculation that divisions over Ukraine were too large to be bridged. Modi will face voters in a poll in which he will be seeking re-election to a third term in early 2024.

“We highlighted the human suffering and negative added impacts of the war in Ukraine with regard to global food and energy security, supply chains, macro-financial stability, inflation and growth,” the joint statement said. “There were different views and assessments of the situation.”

The declaration called for a “just and durable peace in Ukraine” but did not explicitly link that demand to the importance of Ukraine’s territorial integrity, as western countries had pushed for. It also did not include the statement from the 2022 version that noted “most members strongly condemned the war”.

The deletion of western criticism of Russia allowed the G20 to find agreement on other issues such as a pledge to restart exports of Ukrainian grain through the Black Sea, said one senior western official present at the summit, who said compromise was necessary to maintain consensus.

“The option that we had is text or no text. And I think the right answer is text,” the official said. “You keep the [G20] platform and the organisation alive.”
Jake Sullivan, the US national security adviser, nonetheless said the declaration had a “set of consequential paragraphs” on the war in Ukraine.

“From our perspective, it does a very good job of standing up for the principle that states cannot use force to seek territorial acquisition . . . that the use of nuclear weapons is inadmissible, that a just peace must be based on the principles of the UN Charter,” he added.

Overall, the statement was a “vote of confidence that the G20 can come together to address a pressing range of issues, and also to deal with hard issues that actually very much divide some members from others”, Sullivan said.

India, which styles itself as a leader of the so-called Global South group of developing countries, also succeeded in its campaign to have the G20 induct the African Union as a full member.

The joint statement also makes reference to digital public infrastructure, that India has been promoting as a template for financial inclusion and economic productivity gains during its presidency after its own successful push to bring more than 1bn people online.

Hanging over the summit was the still unexplained absence of China’s president Xi Jinping. He skipped the meeting for the first time and instead sent the country’s second-ranked cadre, Premier Li Qiang in what some analysts have described as a “snub”.

But the wording of the communique still reflected many Chinese talking points, such as that the G20 should limit itself to international economic issues and the language on Ukraine and nuclear weapons. China has also heavily touted its role in supporting African Union membership.

In his address to the Summit, Li said the G20 needed “unity instead of division, co-operation instead of confrontation, and inclusion instead of exclusion”, according to state-run news agency Xinhua.

The remarks are in line with China’s portrayal of the US and its allies as pushing “bloc confrontation” and engaging in a “Cold War mentality”.
Additional reporting by Christopher Miller in Kyiv

[kpv1974]

G20 statement drops reference to Russia aggression ‘against’ Ukraine

Joint language does not condemn Moscow’s invasion after China refused to repeat critical wording

https://archive.ph/etSf1


Confrontation of technologies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqijya4-J1o

[mapuc]

Extra update from Denys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIjtn5KztDA&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[Skybird]

Clock is ticking.

Gen Milley said it was too early to say whether the counter-offensive had failed, but said Ukraine was "progressing at a very steady pace through the Russian front lines".


"There's still a reasonable amount of time, probably about 30 to 45 days' worth of fighting weather left, so the Ukrainians aren't done.


[B]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66763868

Nobody in a sane mind would have expected this offensive to be the one to end the war, there will be more later on, next year. Question is whether the current offensive acchieved enough "reward" in PR terms so that the West will give sufficient support for the next push. 2024 is voting in important countries, or campaigning for elections, many countries and the West are tired of the war. On the mood front, things turn drastically against Ukraine. Putin expected that and waited for that to happen all time long.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUTJwC2Z-44&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT5CEawxN5U&ab_channel=DivineJustice

Markus

[Dargo]

Clock is ticking.

Gen Milley said it was too early to say whether the counter-offensive had failed, but said Ukraine was "progressing at a very steady pace through the Russian front lines".


"There's still a reasonable amount of time, probably about 30 to 45 days' worth of fighting weather left, so the Ukrainians aren't done.


[B]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66763868

Nobody in a sane mind would have expected this offensive to be the one to end the war, there will be more later on, next year. Question is whether the current offensive acchieved enough "reward" in PR terms so that the West will give sufficient support for the next push. 2024 is voting in important countries, or campaigning for elections, many countries and the West are tired of the war. On the mood front, things turn drastically against Ukraine. Putin expected that and waited for that to happen all time long.Ukraine attrition warfare does not care for a bit of mud, I believe this was Putin expectation to win this what backfires also this is not a deep fast offensive exhausting Russia can be done for months. Russia can not man all the fronts, it is becoming weaker by the day the amount of artillery they lost is causing big problems troops are unprotected the constant starving of ammo is paying off. Stop thinking the NATO doctrine would ever worked here it did not as we have seen in the first weeks Ukraine does it their way they do the fighting they do this more than 500 days I recon they know better how to defeat Russia than we.

[mapuc]

Latest from ISW as of 10 Sept.

Ukrainian forces continued to advance south of Robotyne in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced near Bakhmut on September 10.

Geolocated footage posted on September 10 shows that Ukrainian forces have advanced east of Novoprokopivka (18km southeast of Orikhiv).

Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Oleksandr Shtupun noted that Ukrainian forces continue to advance near Robotyne (12km south of Orikhiv) and have liberated 1.5 square kilometers of territory in this direction.

The Ukrainian General Staff and Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Ilya Yevlash reported that Ukrainian forces achieved unspecified success near Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut) in Donetsk Oblast.

Markus

[Dargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21SVQY0ymZ8
America must send long-range missiles and speed up the delivery of fighter jets to Ukraine, one of the West's most experienced commanders told the Telegraph. Retired four-star general David Petraeus, who led coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Washington and other Western governments had to "get past" attempts to block Kyiv from vital aid.

He said the US should end its opposition to sending the Army Tactical Missile System (Atacms), which has a range of nearly 200 miles, while other leaders should increase their own long-range support. His intervention came as Ukraine edged closer to breaking through Russia's three-tiered defensive system, giving its forces a clearer route to the Azov coast as they bid to drive a wedge between Moscow's occupying forces.

Read more here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/09/general-david-petraeus-us-send-fighter-jets-ukraine/

[Dargo]

Latest from ISW as of 10 Sept.



MarkusUkrainian Defense Forces have now liberated 49 Sq Km in the direction of Bakhmut. https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1701336507305324714
In the direction of Tavria, which includes part of southern Donetsk Oblast, Ukrainian Defense Forces have liberated 256.5 Sq Km. https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1701336840991617312
7 Russian ammunition depots were destroyed in Tavria direction today. https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1701337540484080038

[mapuc]

It's looking good in these areas. Hopefully Ukraine will remain their momentum during the late autumn and winter.

Markus

[tonschk]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309120521490290.jpg (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309120521490290.jpg)

[Skybird]

It's looking good in these areas. Hopefully Ukraine will remain their momentum during the late autumn and winter.

Markus
50:50 they can, but thigns will surely slow down. Last winter was mild. Meteorologists say that El Nino causes warmer winters in Europe (elsewhere on the panet it does different things). Warm winter means less frozen ground. Tracks and wheels like either dry ground or frozen ground, not soaking wet and muddy ground.



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The EU still has not gotten its homework on ammunition production done, its unbelievable, 18 months into the war, and they still reject that they need to switch to war production, partially at least.



Germany's feminist Super-Anni visited Kyiv. She offered much massively and mightily impressive word thunder, and when asked about Taurus immediately got tight-lipped.



I think that in 2024 at the latest there needs to be a debate and a deicison soon on allow9i8ng Ukriane to use Westenr wepaons to strike into Russia. How should they win oin theirt homgrowns when we demand them to giv eRussia save havens? I asked the same quesiton in different context before, in other threads: how cna oen expect to win the Vietnam war if allowing China and stockpiled ressources save haven around Hanoi?


Its always politicians coming up with the stupid ideas in war, much less often the militaries. The first judge war action by the standards from peactime. the latter understand usually that peace standards do not work in war, and that war has its own needs and musts and dos as well as its own moral standards - which are not the standards of peacetime. Confuse these two, and you necessarily mess up.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukE86l4K24&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlwIdm822b0&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Catfish]

:hmmm: Who needs enemies if you have such "friends"
I guess there is some hate building up in the russian troops against incompetence and, and it is not directed at Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8C0AqIMV2Q

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrN1-14nfgU&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[Skybird]

Ukrainian nightly missile attack successfully takes prey in Sevastopol, damaging a landing ship and a submarine.

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukraine_finds_success_in_missile_attack_on_sevasto pol_and_hints_on_the_weapon_used_to_take_down_a_hu ge_russian_landing_ship_and_submarine-7930.html

[Dargo]

Ukrainian nightly missile attack successfully takes prey in Sevastopol, damaging a landing ship and a submarine.

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukraine_finds_success_in_missile_attack_on_sevasto pol_and_hints_on_the_weapon_used_to_take_down_a_hu ge_russian_landing_ship_and_submarine-7930.htmlBingo!
https://i.postimg.cc/Vvzx9C3V/bingofleetcard.jpg

[mapuc]

Putin show desperation

By meeting North Korean leader, shows that Putin are desperate.
He wants ammo and other war material from NK.
His factory can't follow the needs

No doubt he will get this

If NK will send troops-Doubtful.

Markus

[Dargo]

Putin show desperation

By meeting North Korean leader, shows that Putin are desperate.
He wants ammo and other war material from NK.
His factory can't follow the needs

No doubt he will get this

If NK will send troops-Doubtful.

MarkusRussia does not only need the ammo also need the barrels (for this artillery) after so much time of fire ring it needs to be repaired/replaced also sign stocks are low or not in a good state this all comes on top of the jobs for the factories (Russian defense industry is in tatters mostly because of corruption, but sanctions help there also). North Korea has enough, a high number of these weapons we do not know the state of these stored weapons but can say Russia will have to pay an incredible high price for this. Do not think this will change anything for the war if you lose between 50–70% as being combat ineffective, with major deficiencies in capabilities this percentage Russia already reached adding a couple artillery will not help them certainly not with the state of training Russia lacks those people already were sent to the fronts and are KIA/MIA/WIA

Units in combat that sustain losses will slowly lose effectiveness. To some extent, casualties beyond 10% will probably require some internal reorganization too and beyond 25% the unit may reach a point where it lacks the ability to conduct offensive maneuver, however there are plenty of examples of units continuing to fight at 25% of nominal strength. As an example, the Australian 2/14th Battalion had 97 men defending their final position out of over 800 when it was relieved in front of Port Moresby. A lot depends on the level of training, combat experience and particularly the leadership within the individual units. Another factor will be what level of support and supply the unit has.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udcg3ncZOts&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muuou5Qx9-4&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

[Catfish]

Found this funny
"Putin never lies. Here's the proof":

https://twitter.com/i/status/1700222712809935133

[Dargo]

[Snip]

MarkusDo not think duct tape and WD-40 will help here.
https://i.postimg.cc/pr4f8pXn/minsk.jpg

[Dargo]

https://youtu.be/EHh-TAQcIIs?feature=shared&t=71

Today (see at 1:11) when Russian Defense Minister Shoigu bought his one way ticket to the 9th Floor Window Express.

[tonschk]

Senator DROPS Ukraine, TRUTH BOMBS In HISTORIC SPEECH, STOPPING UKRAINE SUPPORT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcAv45ZlZ9A

[Catfish]

This is not the 19th century, but some people have to be reminded.
There is no point in declaring who might drop or support Ukraine. Or which side has more "wins" or the upper hand.
Who cares about the person posting this (or his, probably paid for) opinion?
The right action against dictator Putin and support of Ukraine in the current situation is obvious and humanely mandatory.

[tonschk]

FORMER UKRAINE OFFICIALS EXPOSE ZELENSKYY CORRUPTION: DRUG ADDICT ZELENSKYY SELLS U.S. WEAPONS


https://www.bitchute.com/video/qRlDuKQW7JVX/


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309140153390341.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309140153390341.png)

[Catfish]

"Bitchute" is complete nonsense and propaganda just like Fox news, has been proven here for a hundred times.

But the best part is that just of all Putin accuses the west to "install" a jew to fight Russia. While the Russia helped to liberate the jews subdued by nazis in WW2. And Putin calls jews nazis :har:
This is such twisted and concocted history it would make an angel vomit :03:

[mapuc]

"Bitchute" is complete nonsense and propaganda just like Fox news, has been proven here for a hundred times.

But the best part is that just of all Putin accuses the west to "install" a jew to fight Russia. While the Russia helped to liberate the jews subdued by nazis in WW2. And Putin calls jews nazis :har:
This is such twisted and concocted history it would make an angel vomit :03:

Not for him it is not nonsense and this goes for the rest who has this belief.

In fact none of us know exactly what's going on at the frontline-It is our belief which makes us look for information that tells us what we like to hear.

I like information who says Ukraine are moving forward, slowly though and they have the momentum.

I refuse to believe things like-For each Russian KIA/WIA/POW there are 7-8 Ukrainian KIA/WIA/POW.
Or
The Russian tanks is smashing the Leopard 2.

Markus

[Catfish]

Hello Markus,
yes this is why i wrote it is of no value. It does not matter what is shown in propaganda about who wins or loses, this does
a) not change the real hard facts, and
b) it does not change reality. Someone who loses can be really morally right, or right by international law, or bay any fair observation.
Being crushed by superior forces does say nothing about the moral implication. The one who wins is not automatically morally right.
But the basic understanding of facts and pity or feeling for victims can only show us one way. And any propaganda regardless which side it comes from, cannot throw us off the path of what is obvioulsly, and by any human standard, right.

Russia, but especially Putin does not understand this. In his view the stronger is always "right". But what is worse is that making a public statement by the (self-appointed) "president" (read: autocrat/dictator) is being believed by "his" [sic!] (lmao) people. Most probably not voluntarily of course. No one who does not have to fear Putin (read: outside Russia) will agree to his view of things if he or she has a clear conscience and some education.
And russian people who protest are either incarcerated or too afraid for standing up. I do not blame them, but i hoped there would be more, enough to get rid of this 19th century mafia thug. Easily said from here, I know.
Yes I also despise the US, as i despise german politicians. But can someone like Putin, Xi Jin Ping or Kim Jong-un be the alternative? Really?? I guess not.
Lets get rid of the 19th century dictators first, then deal with our incompetent "leaders" and build a better world.

[mapuc]

^ Well Put Catfish

Markus

[Skybird]

Putin is just a rabid street dog who has bitten into a piece of meat that doesn't belong to him, but which he desperately wants. In the meantime, it now is also a matter of personal survival for him. He cannot accept peace and retreat without losing his own life. The continuation of the war, active or frozen, is in his survival interest. We, and I too, have believed for twenty years that he is more complex and complicated. But a backyard thug is not complicated. Only brutal to individually different degrees. This one is extremely brutal. And there are possible successors to him that are even worse than he is.

The Russian assault on Ukraine is not just a war. Its the beginning of an even bigger desaster. The longer we refuse this perception, the worse it will become. For all Europe.

We must get ready for the worst. We must prepare, brace ourselves.

And everbody is refusing that. Instead: childish puppet-plays in the capitals of the Western world.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ESH2MVCYU&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiqgJcY5Zo4&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

Huge propaganda here too....!:)

[mapuc]

Maybe all of it is propaganda or maybe a part of it-However I like it when they tell me that T64 is no match for the leopard 2.

Markus

[Dargo]

Maybe all of it is propaganda or maybe a part of it-However I like it when they tell me that T64 is no match for the leopard 2.

MarkusIt is not propaganda you can compare Russian tanks to western tanks most western tanks are better alone the protection of its crew tops it over any Russian tank. This is the doctrine difference Russian leaders never cared for their own people to all that love Russia please go there and experience their love towards you, bet you run from there in a day.

[Dargo]

What Ukraine Knows About the Future of War
Western military advisers are criticizing Kyiv’s war effort, but the Ukrainians have gained expertise of their own. By Phillips Payson O’Brien

If the anonymous voices quoted by U.S. news outlets in recent months are any indication, many Western military experts think that they know how to fight Ukraine’s war better than the Ukrainians do. American officials, NBC News reported last month, have “privately expressed disappointment” about how Ukraine had deployed its soldiers and believe that Kyiv’s forces “have not necessarily applied the training principles they received” from NATO militaries. Yet despite such scolding, the Ukrainians keep conducting their war their way. Despite exhortations to gather more forces in the south and try to cut through Russian lines, even if that means exposing more soldiers to enemy air attacks, Ukrainian forces—stymied by minefields—have proceeded more cautiously, conserving personnel in what could be a protracted conflict with a far more populous nation. They have opted instead to attack, using homegrown weapons systems as well as those provided by allies, Russian supply chains and command-and-control facilities deep behind the front line, while also focusing on destroying artillery closer to the fighting. Ukrainian commanders believe they understand the fundamental dynamics of the conflict far more clearly than those who have never encountered such conditions. Indeed, the longer this war goes on, the more clear it becomes that the Ukrainians have something to teach others, including the United States, about how to run military operations in the modern era.

In two recent speeches, Kathleen Hicks, the U.S. deputy secretary of defense, openly outlined how the United States might defend itself in a war with China, and the vision she described would sound familiar to Ukrainian military planners. Instead of directly butting heads with the People’s Liberation Army in a war of mass versus mass, Hicks spoke of achieving victory through ingenuity and innovation, yielding new military technologies that would be “harder to plan for, harder to hit, harder to beat.” A Pentagon plan that she described as the Replicator Initiative would produce an army of small, inexpensive, AI-enabled vehicles capable of operating in a broad range of war-fighting environments. These vehicles—Hicks described them as “all-domain attributable autonomous,” or ADA2—would protect American fighters and enhance their capabilities. If the U.S. deployed them in large numbers, these ADA2 vehicles could be unstoppable; the PLA’s tanks, missiles, ships, and other heavy military equipment would have no way to fight them all off. A major advantage of the Replicator Initiative would be that fewer American soldiers would have to be put in harm’s way against a much larger Chinese army.

Hicks was painting a tantalizing picture, in short, of the U.S. playing to its strengths and mitigating its weaknesses. In describing all this, she referred numerous times to the current war in Ukraine and to the experience that the Ukrainian army is gaining. “Imagine flocks of ADA2 systems, flying at all sorts of altitudes, doing a range of missions, building on what we’ve seen in Ukraine,” she said. “They could be deployed by larger aircraft, launched by troops on land or sea, or take off themselves.” Hicks explicitly cited Ukraine’s fight against Russia as a precedent for a U.S. conflict with the more populous People’s Republic of China. “Replicator is meant to help us overcome the PRC’s biggest advantage, which is mass,” she said. “More ships. More missiles. More people. Before Russia invaded Ukraine again in February [2022], they seemed to have that advantage.” Meanwhile, Ukraine’s creative use of military technologies has clearly had a major impact on Pentagon thinking. Taking advantage of a society that is freer, more flexible, and more open to grassroots initiative than Russia, the Ukrainians have started to develop large numbers of homegrown military systems, including simple, cheap aerial drones that can play many military roles, such as gathering intelligence over the battlefield and carrying out bombing attacks deep into Russia. Ukraine has also exploited technologies developed elsewhere. The country’s deployment of Starlink internet service, U.S.-made Switchblade drones, and commercially available image-gathering equipment shows how emerging technology “can be decisive in defending against modern military aggression,” Hicks observed. Skillful procurement offers a major battlefield advantage.

The war in Ukraine has substantially reinforced some things that the Pentagon already knew—including the long-standing American assumption that, if one side cannot gain control of the air over the area of fighting, moving heavy, expensive equipment forward will be extremely difficult. Russia’s slow-motion offensive in Bakhmut earlier this year and the current Ukrainian counteroffensive have both demonstrated this. Ukraine is trying to compensate by using a lot of drones. But progress has been difficult. The Pentagon’s interest in the Replicator Initiative may indicate some doubts—as American military planners reflect on Ukraine’s experience and try to extrapolate from it about a war against China—about whether the U.S. can reliably maintain air supremacy over a large area of fighting for a long period of time. The initiative is a plan for destroying enemy forces and denying them control over an area, rather than for, say, the rapid, armored advances that have been a staple of American combined-arms warfare since World War II. Preserving air supremacy may remain the goal of U.S. strategic policy, but that may not be achievable in reality—especially against China, given all of that country’s resources. The U.S. must plan accordingly.

Although Ukraine’s successful drone attacks hint at the potential benefits of artificially intelligent drones that can inflict damage without putting soldiers at risk, recent events have also underscored the importance of many of the traditional elements of industrial war. The Ukrainians have benefited by attacking Russia’s supply logistics and from the range, accuracy, and firing speed of Western-supplied heavy artillery. At first, the Ukrainians needed time to adjust to the demands of large-scale war. They needed—and still need—mass infusions of outside aid to keep fighting efficiently. Still, the Ukrainians have improved. They have started making more of their own heavy artillery shells. They are broadening their capabilities by using more off-the-shelf products to reduce both development and production costs.

Critics can quibble, of course, with Ukrainian commanders’ decisions about when and how to go about recovering territory occupied by Russian invaders. But for all the anonymous sniping about how Ukraine should fight like NATO, the reality is that other countries, including the superpower United States, have a great deal to learn about war from Ukraine. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/ukraine-war-nato-kathleen-hicks/675310/

[Skybird]

Russian SU-27 pilot released tow missiles in an attempt to shoot down an RAF recce plane. The missiles did not malfunction as was claimed, but failed to lock on.



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508

[mapuc]

Russian SU-27 pilot released tow missiles in an attempt to shoot down an RAF recce plane. The missiles did not malfunction as was claimed, but failed to lock on.



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508

My first thought was...Not again they(Russia) is playing with fire-Then I read the article.

Scary story

Markus

[Skybird]

r I like it when they tell me that T64 is no match for the leopard 2.

Markus
If it gets in a flank shot at battlesight range - it is. From a certain close range on and below, every hit is lethal, no matter what shoots at what.



That meeting between that Leopard and the T-tanks in that video was way to close for comfort. Plus the T-tanks were not destroyed either. The Leopard gunner seem to have had the wrong round, likely a German HE, in the gun's lock, of the crew miscimmuniacted or pancicked and grabbed the wrong round. At that range, and even 2000+ meters away, a KE (SABOT) round should have turned a T-72 into minced meat even if just hitting the front of the turret, the toughest spot.

[mapuc]

^ I did not know, but when thinking about it, it sounds correct what you have said(written)

Markus

[Rockstar]

What Ukraine Knows About the Future of War
Western military advisers are criticizing Kyiv’s war effort, but the Ukrainians have gained expertise of their own. By Phillips Payson O’Brien

If the anonymous voices quoted by U.S. news outlets in recent months are any indication, many Western military experts think that they know how to fight Ukraine’s war better than the Ukrainians do. …https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/ukraine-war-nato-kathleen-hicks/675310/

Beware of the anonymous sources. :yep: They can hold sway over the thoughts of the gullible and simple minded.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OhBPzgaxbc&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[tonschk]

THE FINAL COUNTDOWN HAS STARTED! Former ukranian allies become now sworn enemies! Patience is OVER!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GV-ZZfaoeA

[Dargo]

ZELENSKY MEETING WITH HIS NAZI PALS, PROOF PUTIN IS JUSTIFIED TO DENAZIFY UKRAINE!
https://i.postimg.cc/Zq4gMwqJ/Nazis.jpg

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2Nn8aaDa4&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Dargo]

As his TikTok wannabe warriors flee, the front's Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, close to Vladimir Putin, is currently in a coma, according to the Intelligence of Ukraine (Gur). Andriy Yusov, Kyiv's intelligence spokesman, reported that Kadyrov's health condition has deteriorated significantly in recent days. However, it does not appear that his deterioration is due to traumatic events, but rather to pre-existing illnesses.

https://i.postimg.cc/KvkqYdW9/Kadyrov.jpg

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_t54dbCW3U&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFWWFFSyXVs&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Catfish]

As his TikTok wannabe warriors flee, the front's Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, close to Vladimir Putin, is currently in a coma, [...] reported that Kadyrov's health condition has deteriorated significantly in recent days. However, it does not appear that his deterioration is due to traumatic events, but rather to pre-existing illnesses.

Oh i believe that:
https://twitter.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1702732990386729017

This or there was something in Putin's tea.

[Skybird]

This or there was something in Putin's tea.
His socks.

[Reece]

^ :k_confused: Oh the poor thing!! my heart bleeds!! :D
Well I hope he enjoyed his green tea! :yep:

[em2nought]

Oh boy, Sleepy Joe wants to give Zelenskyy $24 billion more, and he's coming here to get it. I wonder how much "The Big Guy's" cut is?

https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-ukraine-congress-funding-war-8690dc44d00aa297c75cf514aeb5c63b

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zpvDWopHCg&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[MaDef]

Oh boy, Sleepy Joe wants to give Zelenskyy $24 billion more, and he's coming here to get it. I wonder how much "The Big Guy's" cut is?

https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-ukraine-congress-funding-war-8690dc44d00aa297c75cf514aeb5c63b
Standard finders fees range from 5%-35% of the total value of the deal. So in this case anywhere from 1.2 billion to 8.4 billion. :03:

[mapuc]

If it is the same as here-Zelenskyy will not get the money in his hand-Instead there will be bought weapon, ammo and aid kits for these billions.

Markus

[tonschk]

THOUSANDS OF CZECHS MARCH IN PRAGUE DEMANDING EXIT NATO AND STOP SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DodW1kgttxBc/


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309172045110324.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309172045110324.png)

[mapuc]

Heard in the news today

The Ukrainian fighter pilots are showing such a high skilled performance in handling the F16, that the time can be cut from 6 month to 3 month instead.

Markus

[tonschk]

Germans are protesting against the country's pro-NATO policy and against the supply of weapons to Ukraine

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eEQMniEum5xo/

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309180317130337.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309180317130337.png)

[mapuc]

Must be AfD and their followers who is protesting.

They are against our help to Ukraine and should what I know be supporting Putin.

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Must be AfD and their followers who is protesting.

They are against our help to Ukraine and should what I know be supporting Putin.

Markus

Indeed, it‘s a small group of neo-nazis protesting there, support for Ukraine is still very strong among the German population. Same goes for the Czech public.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wle9EJ_coDE&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2julzv2z4zw&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Skybird]

support for Ukraine is still very strong among the German population.
Veto - it depends on where you ask. The East by majority is against it, so are many in the West, though in the West probably not yet a majority.

[Rockstar]

Hmmm seems the line claimed by the usual suspect who views NATO as the real threat just went up in smoke.

"Putin knows very well that NATO is not a threat to Russia. Otherwise he would not have moved all his troops into Ukraine," Norwegian Armed Forces Chairman, Army General Eirik Kristoffersen said.

There are no more than 20% of Russian forces left on the Norwegian border than it used to be before February 24, 2022. The same situation can bee seen on Russia's border with Finland.

Makes me wonder if Putin is moving them into Ukraine or his border with China. :haha:

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-J-G3cEk5U&ab_channel=FrontlineReports

Markus

[KJakker]

Close up photos of damage to the Kilo class Rostov-on-Don have come out.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786200768956989460/1153456779393519707/IMG_1256.png?width=720&height=719

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786200768956989460/1153456780077174784/IMG_1257.png?width=720&height=719

https://www.navygeneralboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/cut-away-636-1024x391.jpeg

[Commander Wallace]

^ great pics, KJakker (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=369256). :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
Thanks for sharing them and welcome to Subsim. :sunny:. I hope you enjoy your time here.

[Skybird]

"Damage"...? :yeah: Looks more like a knockout-forever to me!:D Front torpedoroom shredderd, gally and parts of the batteries gone, in between the control room and periscope masts certainly a pigs breakfast as well, and then the cascading damage from these hits that travel on inside the boat where the hull has not been cracked open.
That can will never swim back to sea again, I say.

[Commander Wallace]

^ That's pretty much the opinion of Knowledgeable sources.

Quote: Multiple accounts — including from the U.K. Ministry of Defense — indicate that the submarine in question is the Rostov-on-Don (B-237), an Improved Kilo boat, from the Project 636.3 class, which is capable of launching Kalibr land attack cruise missiles, of the type widely used against targets in Ukraine. This submarine entered service in 2014 and is one of four of its type with the Black Sea Fleet.

Regardless, the degree of damage sustained by the submarine suggests that it will have to be written off altogether. In the very best-case scenario, it will require a rebuild, salvaging whatever components they can, which will put it out of action for years. Furthermore, any such repairs would almost certainly have to be undertaken outside of the Black Sea, which would be a serious logistic endeavor in itself.


The Russian Ministry of Defense had claimed that the attack involved 10 missiles and three unmanned surface vessels (USVs), or drone boats, with seven of those missiles being claimed as shot down. There have been claims that the missiles used were air-launched Storm Shadow and/or SCALP-EG standoff missiles that can be launched by Ukrainian Air Force Su-24 Fencer strike/reconnaissance aircraft.


https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/cKhYgGFe13biWuJV_2voaw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7aD0xNTk2O2NmPXdlYn A-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_warzone_735/e5fcebca1da82dd9cef7bc90cadbf7a2

Seen in happier times, the Russian Navy Improved Kilo class submarine Rostov-on-Don sails through the Bosphorus Strait on the way to the Black Sea, on February 13, 2022. Photo by OZAN KOSE/AFP via Getty Images

https://www.twitter.com/DefenceHQ/stat/1702561936179630440?s=20 (https://www.twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1702561936179630440?s=20)

https://www.twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1703769756736647453?s=20

https://www.twitter.com/SubBrief/status/1703771172196827203?s=20

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-submarine-shows-massive-damage-165654878.html

[Torvald Von Mansee]

THOUSANDS OF CZECHS MARCH IN PRAGUE DEMANDING EXIT NATO AND STOP SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DodW1kgttxBc/


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2309172045110324.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2309172045110324.png)


Right. I'm sure Russia has no link with the impetus behind that..

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB-Znny6Ti8&ab_channel=DenysDavydov

Markus

[Skybird]

The Swiss almost 100 Leopard-1 that a Swiss company, RUAG, wanted to buy from the govenrment, to sell them to Rheinmetall , have been rejected by the swiss government to sell.

Several dozen Belgium Leopard-1 that the government wanted to buy from a company owning them, are stuck as well, the Belgian government quote unreasonable price tags.

German Leopard 1, I think the talk once was about 100, have been rejected by Ukraine to be imported, refering to their age and condition.

Thats a pattern.

So much for the earlier proclaimed huge tank delivery to Ukraine starting later this year. As it looks now, everything is stuck.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVSKIC56FI&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4r8nLfL2do&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Catfish]

Not a bad speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQohsFOfYWQ

[Skybird]

The Swiss almost 100 Leopard-1 that a Swiss company, RUAG, wanted to buy from the govenrment, to sell them to Rheinmetall , have been rejected by the swiss government to sell.

Several dozen Belgium Leopard-1 that the government wanted to buy from a company owning them, are stuck as well, the Belgian government quote unreasonable price tags.

German Leopard 1, I think the talk once was about 100, have been rejected by Ukraine to be imported, refering to their age and condition.

Thats a pattern.

So much for the earlier proclaimed huge tank delivery to Ukraine starting later this year. As it looks now, everything is stuck.

https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/leopard-1a5-panzer-ukraine-lieferung-deutschland-krieg-russland-pistorius-verteidigungsministerium-92530113.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Many observers said weeks ago that Ukraine had allowed itself to be drawn back into a war of attrition that would inevitably be to its disadvantage. I said I feared that too. But it seems that this phase has gone more to Russia's disadvantage, because of Russian incompetence in tactical leadership and some secret Ukrainian tactical cleverness that has allowed them to crack this tough nut without hurting themselves too much. It seems that their reserve capacity is, for whatever reason, greater than expected, perhaps because the Russian commanders are so inefficient in commanding their troops and make so many terrible mistakes. Whatever the reason, the Ukrainians have now managed to put the Russians in a really dangerous and threatening situation for Russia. So, for the first time since this offensive began, I am raising my estimate of their chances, I am just not sure by how much, but it is significant. They have improved their situation, and to a degree that is undoubtedly of great concern to the Russian command. It is the threats they can now project that founds the argument I make.

:yeah:

But - it seems I always have a "but" - this raises the chances for nuclear tactical attacks by Russia. I said early on that when Crimea is in danger to get lost, Putin will use tactical nukes. I still stick to that assessment. Putin must show at home that he tried everything to keep Crimea, if he wants to biologically survive at home.

Contrary to what Babble-Olaf seems to assume, I do NOT conclude from this that Ukraine should refrain from reclaiming its territory on the Crimea peninsula. That is a decision for Ukrainians to make, not Westerners.

[Catfish]

Nuclear attack by Russia? F'k them!
If "we" (Germany having no nuclear strike ability) allow dictators like Russia or China or North Korea invading militarily inferior countries, and letting us be threatened with nuclear attacks of any kind, we could as well bury our heads in the sand and let them do whatever they want (just like Sarah Wagenknecht wants us to do).
To illustrate this further, some strategic bombing of Russia with conventional payload and a well worded note for escalation will probably make them think twice.

What do you think China would do (or would already have done with Taiwan) if we had sat back in our comfortable chairs during Russia's 2022 invasion, like we did in 2014?
The only action Putin understands is resistance, or in his case, direct violence. Even Merkel said this in the early days of Russia's invasion 2022. I really wonder how anyone can only think about meeting Putin for "negotiations". This is not someone to make a deal with, there can only be defeat or victory. Appeasement. does. not. work.

[Skybird]

Kai, all I say is that if Crimea is about to get lost Putin must show at home that he did ALL he can to keep it, else he is biologically dead. Tactical nuke strikes not on Germany or Poland, but on Ukrainian front areas and army concentrations I expect.

My assumed probability for that? 75% or higher.

You see, if Crimea is lost, than all is lost for Putin anyway.

People are not aware how tactical nukes are designed and what they mean to do and what not. I posted/linked to two insightful eassays on that early in the war, in the old Ukraine thread. These weapons do not mean the end of the world. Maybe one should say: unfortunately, because thats what makes them usable.

[Jeff-Groves]

Tactical Nuke on Moscow would make them think.
Say a nice little Neutron Bomb.

[Skybird]

Selensky himself is Ukraine's most dangerous weapon.

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/ein-kommentar-von-ulrich-reitz-selenskyj-selbst-ist-gefaehrlicher-als-jede-waffenlieferung-des-westens_id_208980967.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Dargo]

Kai, all I say is that if Crimea is about to get lost Putin must show at home that he did ALL he can to keep it, else he is biologically dead. Tactical nuke strikes not on Germany or Poland, but on Ukrainian front areas and army concentrations I expect.

My assumed probability for that? 75% or higher.

You see, if Crimea is lost, than all is lost for Putin anyway.

People are not aware how tactical nukes are designed and what they mean to do and what not. I posted/linked to two insightful eassays on that early in the war, in the old Ukraine thread. These weapons do not mean the end of the world. Maybe one should say: unfortunately, because thats what makes them usable.
If he uses them, he would probably lose China. China has a 'no first use' nuclear doctrine China also fears the effect on world economy with their slow recovering they put pressure on Putin to not use it, so if Putin did use them, it would be incredibly difficult for China to stand by him. Russia is heavily dependent on Chinese support, so might be deterred from using tactical nuclear weapons.

[Dargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=291GFRhbfm4

[Catfish]

Kai, all I say is that if Crimea is about to get lost Putin must show at home that he did ALL he can to keep it, else he is biologically dead. Tactical nuke strikes not on Germany or Poland, but on Ukrainian front areas and army concentrations I expect.
My assumed probability for that? 75% or higher.
[/I]
I understand perfectly, and I really mean that Russia has to be bombed or attacked by anyone as soon as Putin even thinks about using nukes of any kind on Ukraine.

B.t.w. there is a penal order from the International Criminal Court, in other words: This is not a Ukrainian problem but a worldwide one.
Time for a little horror show for putin (intentionally in minor letters) and Moscow.

And I could not agree more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK96EUwhrvM

[Skybird]

I understand perfectly, and I really mean that Russia has to be bombed or attacked by anyone as soon as Putin even thinks about using nukes of any kind on Ukraine.
Time for a little horror show on Moscow.

I understand the sentiment. But it means simply this:

World War 3 (thermonuclear).

Their nuclear doctrine is crystalclear on this.
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The risk always was that they widen this doctrine even to Crimea, since they claim Crimea is Russia.

Lets better blomb the black sea fleet out of the water, and interdict all railways and highways that lead from Russia to Ukraine. Also weapon and ammo factories and depots, command posts related to the Ukraine theatre, airfields and so forth. Even that, by their doctrin could trigger them to respond nuclear. We must make it clear so that they are convinced that that then also triggers a nuclear reaction: ours. But Russia has withdrawn over 80% of its forces form t eh Scandianvian theatre borders. That shows how serious they take NATO, I think. And we all know in what shape European NATO forces are, and how much little ammo they have.

I hate reality's rules sometimes but they are what they are and if we ignore them we blow everything off. And unfortunately we are richer than them, so are our cities. We have thus far more to lose. Or do you think trading Moscow for Houston or New York or London is a good deal?

[Skybird]

Russia is heavily dependent on Chinese support, so might be deterred from using tactical nuclear weapons.If Putin looses Crimea he is politically an biologically DEAD. Guess his priorities.

Again, I do not say, Ukraine should not retake Crimea if it can. All I say is we must be prepared for the costs, and must be prepared to deliver a military return that make Moscow regret what it did. Shall nobody say after the firts tacical nuke used that we could not have known. We must accept that risk. But we must not be unprepared, and must be ready for grim retaliation.

Killing Russin men is the simple name of the game. As many as possible, as quickly as possible, in scores, so that Russia's demographic fundament collapses. Dead men do not make babies. Dead men do not work in mines and do not work in factories. Seen this way, wanting to "boil the frog" makes a lot of sense. It just boils the Russian frog in Ukrainian blood, that is the moral problem.

[Catfish]

I understand the sentiment. [...]
Thanks, i was almost sure you do :) :03:
World War 3 (thermonuclear). Their nuclear doctrine is crystalclear on this.
The risk always was that they widen this doctrine even to Crimea, since they claim Crimea is Russia.
Their nuclear doctrine is that when Russia is being threatened to be invaded it will use "nuclear deterrents". Not the same as using some of Putin's own means on himself. Sending some reminders via Moscow is not the same as invading the Rodina.
Anyway not even China or North Korea believe what putin says.
... they claim Crimea is Russia ...
Really. I claim that Germany's borders should be reinstated in the lines of 1942.
As well putin can claim the moon is made of green cheese, and me and anyone else will give a sh!t.

Putin can only be stopped by force, and instead of losing more lives of Ukraininans and Russia abducting children for a brain washing, it is high time to do it.
Again: Apeasement. does. not. work.

[Skybird]

Thanks, i was almost sure you do :) :03:

Their nuclear doctrine is that when Russia is being threatened to be invaded
No, the correct phrase they use is when "Russia's very existence" is at risk. Putin can make evertyhing of that, it is intentionally vague. He is the one defining when Russia's very existence is at risk and when not. You feel the masses' rising collective emotions, the wallowing in patriotic sentiments...? Führer befiehl, wir folgen.

Putin always escalates. I say that since all this began. He is a backyard thug, he knows only this reaction if being resisted to, challenged, confronted, whatever: ESCALATE. Thats the only reaction he knows. This is one fo the reaosns why I think the war will last for years to come if the Russians cannot be all killed or thrown out by force. Ukraine will need to go all the way, and the hardest of all ways.

Putin already has shifted the war's meaning from a war against Ukrainian Nazis to a war of defence against the aggression of NATO. Most Russians now think the whole West is up against them (they probably do so since the fall of the USSR...). Not a big step to claim Russia's existence is at risk if you then start bombing Russian cities.

Note: neither a nuclear attack on Russia nor an invasion of it is needed to trigger this phrasing.

[Catfish]

putin's very existence is not Russia's very existence. He will be dead in a few years anyway. What will become of Russia then if russian people never stood up?
[...] Russians think the whole West is up against them. [...]
One more month of putin's actions and they may be right. No joke.
We cannot let ourselves be blackmailed, this will open the door for all kinds of terrorist attacks and invasions by any self-declared warlord.
What I really think is the only way to break this dictatorship once and for all is to really get putin on his knees, and if he intends to draw all of innocent russian people into his own personal downfall.. so be it. History tends to repeat itself and it has been done before.

Yes I know we cannot remove dictatorships by threatening them with sanctions or or well-meant remarks, we have to negotiate and get the best out of it. Like resources lol.
But in the case of one of this multipolar warlords attacking and trying to invade another country we should act, and decisively.
Should. Will probably not happen. Look at Scholz or Wagenknecht.
At least Germany is now #2 after the US providing Ukraine with weapons.