Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Jimbuna]

US not seeking war with Russia, but will defend every inch of NATO territory - Austin

The US does not want to initiate a war with Russia. However, it will fulfill its obligations to other NATO countries, stated Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin during a meeting with Ukrainian students.

He assured that US President Joe Biden has chosen the path of mutual responsibility and collective security. Therefore, the US has decided to share the responsibility of ensuring that Ukraine remains sovereign and free.

According to Austin, the US does not seek war with Russia. Even if Putin creates threats of nuclear war, the US will continue to treat it with the responsibility that the world rightly expects from a nuclear power, Austin emphasized.

He assured that the US will defend every inch of NATO territory and will provide Ukraine with the necessary assistance to fight for its survival and security.

Threats from Russia

Russia has repeatedly threatened Western countries for their support of Ukraine in the war.

Recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced changes to Russia's nuclear doctrine, outlining new conditions under which Russia might use nuclear weapons.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-not-seeking-war-with-russia-but-will-defend-every-inch-of-nato-territory-austin/ar-AA1sFmXZ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=2f11b243693c47dfa4e61a5e9814a7ba&ei=28

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hfoeb19VBo

Markus

[Dargo]

South Korea May Send Military Personnel to Ukraine Amid Suspected North Korean DeploymentsSouth Korea may soon deploy military intelligence personnel in Ukraine to monitor North Korean troops claimed to be fighting for Russia, the Yonhap news agency (https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241022003400315?section=nk/nk) reported Tuesday, citing an anonymous government source. Seoul's spy agency said Friday that Pyongyang sent a “large-scale” troop deployment to fight in Moscow’s war against Ukraine, claiming that 1,500 North Korean special forces were already undergoing training in Russia's Far East before they were expected to be sent to the front lines. A North Korean representative at the United Nations later dismissed the South’s claims as a “groundless rumor.” Russia has not confirmed the troop deployment but defended its military cooperation with Pyongyang as “not directed against the interests of South Korea’s security” after Seoul summoned the Russian ambassador there. “There is a possibility that personnel will be sent to Ukraine to monitor the tactics and combat capabilities of North Korean special forces dispatched in support of Russia,” Yonhap quoted a government source in Seoul as saying. The personnel would reportedly be recruited from the South Korean military’s intelligence units to analyze North Korean battlefield tactics and help interrogate any North Korean troops captured in Ukraine.

Authorities in Seoul are also considering whether to include defensive and, eventually, lethal weapons supplies to its current logistics and humanitarian aid to Ukraine, according to Yonhap’s source. South Korea “strongly condemned” Pyongyang on Tuesday, urging its troops to be immediately withdrawn and warning of “phased countermeasures” in coordination with the international community. The South Korean Defense Ministry said earlier that Moscow may be providing financial assistance or advanced technologies to North Korea in exchange for troop support. Washington and its allies have already voiced concern about North Korea supplying weapons to Russia, which invaded Ukraine in February 2022. U.S. Ambassador to the UN Robert Wood said South Korea’s reports of North Korean plans to send soldiers to Ukraine would mark a “dangerous and highly concerning” step in Russian-North Korean military ties. Yonhap also reported Tuesday that a pro-war Telegram account posted a photo showing the Russian and North Korean flags waving side by side on a Ukrainian battlefield. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/10/22/south-korea-may-send-military-personnel-to-ukraine-amid-suspected-north-korean-deployments-yonhap-a86767

[mapuc]

Who would have imagine this SK fighting NK in another country.
That is if SK sends troops to Ukraine.

Markus

[Dargo]

Who would have imagine this SK fighting NK in another country.
That is if SK sends troops to Ukraine.

MarkusImportant thing is they now gone send more weapons and munition on top they already via proxy sending. South Korea will send intelligence units with their equipment, this will give Ukraine more intel, they already share more intel with Nato.

[mapuc]

Important thing is they now gone send more weapons and munition on top they already via proxy sending. South Korea will send intelligence units with their equipment, this will give Ukraine more intel, they already share more intel with Nato.

Ah ok I was thinking in the terms of combat soldiers.

What will NATO do now that NK have sent troops to Ukraine ? And more is to come.

I'm convinced NK will have around 50-60.000 soldiers in Ukraine within the next 6-8 month.

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Udw6UUh4qI

Markus

[Dargo]

Ah ok I was thinking in the terms of combat soldiers.

What will NATO do now that NK have sent troops to Ukraine ? And more is to come.

I'm convinced NK will have around 50-60.000 soldiers in Ukraine within the next 6-8 month.

MarkusNato I do not see sending combat units those North Korea 10,000 do not make a dent, they will be about 9 days of the Russian losses.

[mapuc]

Nato I do not see sending combat units those North Korea 10,000 do not make a dent, they will be about 9 days of the Russian losses.

According to this video-NATO have not a 100 % proof North Korea is fighting in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8UgFT-qJYA

Markus

[August]

According to this video-NATO have not a 100 % proof North Korea is fighting in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8UgFT-qJYA

Markus


And you won't until the Ukrainians actually capture some of them.

[mapuc]

And you won't until the Ukrainians actually capture some of them.

That's true.

You may disagree with me, when I say, we are already in a WWIII situation.

Most of the Western countries are sending military aid to Ukraine, so they are fighting Russia by proxy and China* and NK is helping Russia.

* They claim it isn't so-I'm convinced it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJFBEB3Fx64

Markus

[Catfish]

^ If so it is when Russia stations north korean troops in Ukraine to fight the latter.
But the situation of being in WW3 is already when Russia annexed the Crimea.

Still, when any country that has no nuclear weapons has to give in to any such nation attacking it, without the international community condemning and reacting to it with military force, we are back in the middle ages, or earlier.

Which is why the world cannot afford to let Ukraine give in, to Russia.

[mapuc]

^ If so it is when Russia stations north korean troops in Ukraine to fight the latter.
But the situation of being in WW3 is already when Russia annexed the Crimea.

Still, when any country that has no nuclear weapons has to give in to any such nation attacking it, it is teeth and claws again.

Which is why the world cannot afford to let Ukraine give in to Russia.

One could say that the start of WWIII came when Russia annexed Crimea

Can't afford to let Ukraine give in...

For me it looks like it-The military aid is too small and coming in late.

They are short of shells and other ammo.

Markus

[Skybird]

[Die Welt] After the extremely close EU referendum in the former Soviet republic of Moldova, the electoral commission has corrected the results slightly to the detriment of the victorious pro-European supporters. Accordingly, more than 1000 “yes” votes were dropped, which have now been allocated to the opponents. According to the new results, 50.38 percent of participants voted in favor of irrevocably establishing a pro-European course as a strategic goal in the constitution. 750,075 votes in favor now stand against 738,799 votes against (49.62 percent).

According to Moldovan media, people in the majority of regions in the country voted against the constitutional amendment. The hundreds of thousands of Moldovans living abroad - mainly in the EU - tipped the scales in the other direction.

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A publicity desaster this laser-sharp and tight outcome is, even if it may not be the true one due to the Russian interference and many thousands and tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of votes having been bought. Nothing than troubles will come from it.
Reisende soll man nicht aufhalten, a German proverb says. If a majority inside the country indeed voted against the EU, then so be it. Let them have their will. The last thing the EU needs is more useless troubles.

[Dargo]

North Koreans already dying at the front, according to returned Chinese mercenary
A Chinese mercenary fighting for the Russian military has claimed that eight North Koreans in Ukraine, officers, were killed in action during their first day of deployment. The mercenary, who goes by the name “Dian Yuzhan” on social media (meaning “prison warden” in Chinese), made the claim during a live broadcast with another Chinese mercenary who has reportedly returned to China after fighting for Russia in Ukraine.

The video was shared by X user whyyoutouzhele (https://x.com/whyyoutouzhele/status/1847973858160390375). Kyiv Post has been able to partially establish Dian Yuzhan’s identity, but cannot verify the claims made in the video. Dian Yuzhan claimed in the video that he submitted a list of those killed in action, which comprised 153 Chinese nationals on the Luhansk front, before mentioning the North Koreans in Ukraine. At 1:20 into the video, he said that despite the preconception of Pyongyang troops being fierce, eight officers were killed “in just one day” upon joining the war, where he then laughed, presumably at the seemingly poor performance of the North Korean troops.

“We have North Korean soldiers here, goddamn it, they were gone just after entering [the war]… and [people say] they are fierce… Just entered and gone. Just one day. Eight people, [they were] even officers,” Dian Yuzhan said. He did not specify the date and location of the alleged incident. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/40940

[Catfish]

[...] For me it looks like it-The military aid is too small and coming in late.
They are short of shells and other ammo.
Markus
Exactly. But the US prefer to 'boil the frog', and at least our chancellor happily complies. No Taurus. Or only when Big Brother allows it.

On the other hand it is not at all clear what happens with Ukraine, and maybe the US do not care apart from weakening Russia, or will not care at all after the election. With the politics in the west being influenced by disinformation and personal egos it all is becoming unpredictable.

[mapuc]

Exactly. But the US prefer to 'boil the frog', and at least our chancellor happily complies. No Taurus. Or only when Big Brother allows it.

On the other hand it is not at all clear what happens with Ukraine, and maybe the US do not care apart from weakening Russia, or will not care at all after the election. With the politics in the west being influenced by disinformation and personal egos it all is becoming unpredictable.

If you are speaking of Trump could win the election-Then don't worry. First of all He can't singlehanded withdraw USA from NATO this is a task for the Congress and the Senate. Even the military aid is a case for the Congress and the Senate-What Trump can do here is to reject signing the law/proposal.

Markus

[Catfish]

^
From february, but still.

"When it comes to aiding Ukraine against its invasion by Russia, Elon Musk just went from Kyiv’s accidental hero to Moscow’s. The man who sits on the world’s largest pile of wealth, part of which comes from Pentagon defense contracts, is now actively working to thwart US foreign policy."

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-02-14/elon-musk-has-a-lot-to-say-about-ukraine-and-a-lot-to-learn

[Rockstar]

^
From february, but still.

"When it comes to aiding Ukraine against its invasion by Russia, Elon Musk just went from Kyiv’s accidental hero to Moscow’s. The man who sits on the world’s largest pile of wealth, part of which comes from Pentagon defense contracts, is now actively working to thwart US foreign policy."

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-02-14/elon-musk-has-a-lot-to-say-about-ukraine-and-a-lot-to-learn

That’s such crap article from last February. Republicans have never tried to stop aid from going to Ukraine. And it’s not Musks responsibility to do the job of nor admonish corrupt European Union Customs officials. Which from I read is the border those Starlinks were crossing. That’s your job yet I didn’t hear one euro speak-up in protest other than to blame Musk.

[Catfish]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/22/tech/elon-musk-government-efficiency/index.html

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2024/10/22/musk-s-problematic-support-for-trump_6730116_23.html

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2024/oct/21/elon-musk-global-political-goals

https://www.dw.com/en/what-do-xs-alleged-ties-to-russian-oligarchs-mean-for-musk/a-70088598

https://kyivindependent.com/musk-russia-will-certainly-gain-more-land-may-seize-odesa/

[mapuc]

That’s such crap article from last February. Republicans have never tried to stop aid from going to Ukraine. And it’s not Musks responsibility to do the job of nor admonish corrupt European Union Customs officials. Which from I read is the border those Starlinks were crossing. That’s your job yet I didn’t hear one euro speak-up in protest other than to blame Musk.

Seem to recall a group of Rep* in House of representatives blocked a 61 bn aid package to Ukraine. This happened earlier this year.

* I remember that Trump was accused for being behind this

Edit
Found an old article from CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/07/politics/senate-border-ukraine-israel-aid-vote/index.html
End edit

Markus

[Rockstar]

Seem to recall a group of Rep* in House of representatives blocked a 61 bn aid package to Ukraine. This happened earlier this year.

* I remember that Trump was accused for being behind this

Edit
Found an old article from CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/07/politics/senate-border-ukraine-israel-aid-vote/index.html
End edit

Markus

The vote wasn’t as cut and dry as you might think. The headline ‘Ukraine Aid Bill’ obviously lead a lot to believe that’s all they were voting on. But that aid bill also included votes on aid to Taiwan, Israel, Tik Tok and Iran sanctions to name a few. Some, both Democrat & Republican a like, voted for all, some voted to approve a few, some voted along party line to force their own amendments or simply generate political hay. Eventually everyone Democrat and Republican got what they wanted and the bill was passed. And since neither party had enough votes to do it on their own it required both Democrats, AND Republicans pass. Hell, 99% of it doesn’t even go directly to Ukraine anyway.

I see two countries under attack. One where countrymen from around the world flew in to defend, a country who built formidable deterrence and offensive capability from the first day of their independence and knows how to use it.

Another country that fighting age males fled, is a corrupt crap hole that has done nothing to defend its sovereignty since its independence, is surprised they get invaded then endless bitch and complaint how they ain’t getting everything they need.

I think some dead Greek guy wrote a fable about people like that.

[August]

Another country that fighting age males fled, is a corrupt crap hole that has done nothing to defend its sovereignty since its independence, is surprised they get invaded then bitches and complain how they ain’t getting everything they need.

I think some dead Greek guy wrote a fable about people like that.

70,000 dead Ukrainians and another 150k wounded fighting for their national survival would feel you are being unfair.

I bet you read a lot of Russian propaganda dontcha Comrade. All that is missing is some insults about Zelensky's height and Jewishness.

The truth is Ukraine under several leaders, has been preparing for this war ever since 2014 when it became apparent that the giant dictatorship to the east would not honor it's non aggression treaty and it's that preparation which allowed them to withstand not only the initial Russian assault but the massive two year war of attrition forced upon them ever since.

Yeah, they complain that they aren't getting everything they need because the fact is they aren't. Like a doctor who treats a patient instead of curing them, We feed the Ukes just enough to barely stay in the fight because that is the most profitable arraignment for our own Military Industrial Complex, where 99% of our aid to them actually goes.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iinha_OzAxA

[Skybird]

70,000 dead Ukrainians and another 150k wounded fighting for their national survival would feel you are being unfair.

I bet you read a lot of Russian propaganda dontcha Comrade. All that is missing is some insults about Zelensky's height and Jewishness.

The truth is Ukraine under several leaders, has been preparing for this war ever since 2014 when it became apparent that the giant dictatorship to the east would not honor it's non aggression treaty and it's that preparation which allowed them to withstand not only the initial Russian assault but the massive two year war of attrition forced upon them ever since.

Yeah, they complain that they aren't getting everything they need because the fact is they aren't. Like a doctor who treats a patient instead of curing them, We feed the Ukes just enough to barely stay in the fight because that is the most profitable arraignment for our own Military Industrial Complex, where 99% of our aid to them actually goes.
Feels strange, but for once I must completely and fullheartly agree with everything said here.

[Rockstar]

70,000 dead Ukrainians and another 150k wounded fighting for their national survival would feel you are being unfair.

I bet you read a lot of Russian propaganda dontcha Comrade. All that is missing is some insults about Zelensky's height and Jewishness.

The truth is Ukraine under several leaders, has been preparing for this war ever since 2014 when it became apparent that the giant dictatorship to the east would not honor it's non aggression treaty and it's that preparation which allowed them to withstand not only the initial Russian assault but the massive two year war of attrition forced upon them ever since.

Yeah, they complain that they aren't getting everything they need because the fact is they aren't. Like a doctor who treats a patient instead of curing them, We feed the Ukes just enough to barely stay in the fight because that is the most profitable arraignment for our own Military Industrial Complex, where 99% of our aid to them actually goes.

No tovarish it’s just my opinion of Ukraine based on Ukrainian news reports and concerns of our own government. One in particular comes to mind quoting a wounded Ukrainian soldier suggested the only way to defeat Russia was to defeat corruption within Ukraine first. It was from censor.net I’ll dig around and try to find it, it’s been awhile.

The west has invested more in Ukraines economy and defense in the last two years than Ukraine did in the last thirty years. That’s fine though just wish the lazy ants would stop complaining. You know as well as I do who will get the blame for Ukraines failures.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Ye5RKbjX4

Markus

[Jimbuna]

DPRK sends 3,000 troops to Russia to participate in war with Ukraine - South Korean intelligence

According to South Korean intelligence, North Korea has sent 3,000 troops to Russia, and this number is expected to increase.

This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to Reuters.

Pyongyang has promised to provide Russia with a total of about 10,000 troops, the deployment of which is expected to be completed by December, lawmakers told reporters after a briefing by South Korea's national intelligence agency.

"Signs of troop training in North Korea were detected in September and October," said Park Soon-won, a member of the parliamentary intelligence committee, after the briefing. "It seems that the troops are now dispersed across several training bases in Russia and are adapting to the local environment."

Earlier, Seoul's National Intelligence Service reported that North Korea had sent about 1,500 special forces troops to Russia by ship, and they are likely to be deployed to participate in the war in Ukraine after training and acclimatization.

It is also noted that the Pyongyang authorities tried to prevent the spread of news about the stay of their soldiers in Russia. "There are signs that the North Korean authorities are moving and isolating these families (of the military) in a certain place to effectively control them and thoroughly deal with rumors," the intelligence service said.

It has also been confirmed that Russia has hired a "large number" of interpreters for North Korean soldiers, teaching them how to use military equipment such as drones.

"Russian instructors estimate that the North Korean army has excellent physical qualities and morale, but lacks an understanding of modern warfare, such as drone attacks," said a member of the South Korean parliament.

Watch more: Ukrainian soldiers filmed elimination of occupier, who stood motionless in middle of field. VIDEO

DPRK military participation in Russia's war against Ukraine

On October 17, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Russia was training ten thousand North Korean soldiers for the war in Ukraine, including infantry.

Earlier, the Washington Post wrote that several thousand soldiers from the DPRK are being trained in Russia and may be sent to the front in Ukraine.

To recap, in early October, South Korean Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun said that the DPRK could send its military to the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine in support of Russia's war against our country.

The head of the Center for Countering Disinformation, Andrii Kovalenko, said that the information about Russia's alleged preparation of DPRK soldiers to be sent to the front in Ukraine was not true.

On October 15, the media reported that on the basis of the 11th separate airborne assault brigade of the Russian occupation army, the Russians began to form a so-called "special Buryat battalion". It will be staffed by North Korean citizens.

Subsequently, the head of the Defense Intelligence Service, Kyrylo Budanov, said that nearly 11,000 soldiers from North Korea are currently training in eastern Russia to fight against Ukraine. They will be ready for combat as early as November 1.

At the same time, Pentagon chief Lloyd Austin said that the United States has not yet confirmedthat North Korea is sending troops to Russia.

South Korea summoned the Russian ambassador to Seoul because of the DPRK's participation in the war against Ukraine.

It was reported that eighteen North Korean soldiers had already escaped from the Russian army positions on the border of Ukraine with Bryansk and Kursk regions. Later it became known that they had been detained.

South Korea's Permanent Representative to the UN Security Council, Jongkook Hwang, said that Russia could pay for the participation of North Korea's military in the war against Ukraine with nuclear weapons technology.

And The Guardian wrote that Russia may send North Korean troops to capture Pokrovsk in Donetsk region or to conduct winter assaults on other important areas on Ukraine's eastern front. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3516417

[August]

I'll also say this. Trumps ONLY leverage with the Russians in ending this war would be giving, or at very least threatening to give, the Ukes what they actually need to win, because cutting them off would only encourage Putin to steamroll the entire country.

[August]

No tovarish it’s just my opinion of Ukraine based on Ukrainian news reports and concerns of our own government. One in particular comes to mind quoting a wounded Ukrainian soldier suggested the only way to defeat Russia was to defeat corruption within Ukraine first. It was from censor.net I’ll dig around and try to find it, it’s been awhile.

The west has invested more in Ukraines economy and defense in the last two years than Ukraine did in the last thirty years. That’s fine though just wish the lazy ants would stop complaining.


You calling the Ukrainians insects now? How downright Putinesque of you.

[Jimbuna]

Kim Jong-un's North Korean troops to 'arrive on Ukraine frontline within hours'

North Korean troops will arrive on the frontline in just a few hours to fight for Vladimir Putin, according to Ukrainian military intelligence.

Kim Jong Un’s forces are expected to be deployed today alongside Russian forces to grab back the Kursk region of Russia, which is partially occupied by Ukrainian forces.

Kyrylo Budanov, head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine, said he was expecting the reinforcements behind enemy lines on Wednesday and anticipate “the first units in the Kursk direction”.

But how many will be deployed and how they will be equipped is still unclear, and GUR chief Lt-Gen Budanov told US website The War Zone: “We'll see in a couple of days”. He had said earlier that some 2,600 troops from Pyongyang could be sent to the Kursk region.

[Rockstar]

You calling the Ukrainians insects now? How downright Putinesque of you.

lol. No likening them to one of the characters in Aesops fables. Maybe it wasn’t the ant, maybe it was grasshopper

[Dargo]

France's first batch of Mirage 2000 jets for Ukraine to include 3 planesFrance will deliver its first three Mirage 2000-5s fighter jets to Ukraine in the first quarter of 2025, the French newspaper La Tribune reported on Oct. 23, citing its sources. Paris previously confirmed it would begin transferring its aircraft in the first three months of the next year but did not comment on the numbers. The timing of delivery takes into account the time needed to train pilots and mechanics and prepare the aircraft, La Tribune wrote. (https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/la-france-va-livrer-debut-2025-trois-mirage-2000-5-a-l-ukraine-1009418.html#Echobox=1729656105) According to the outlet, the planes will be equipped with ground strike capabilities, namely SCALP/Storm Shadow long-range missiles and French guided bombs AASM Hammer... https://kyivindependent.com/mirage-2000-first-batch/

[Jimbuna]

BRICS Summit Declaration demonstrates that grouping does not have unified position on Russian aggression against Ukraine - Foreign Ministry

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine commented on the final declaration of the BRICS summit in Kazan, in particular, drawing attention to paragraph 36 on Ukraine, in which the summit participants only recalled their own national positions, their commitment to the goals and principles of the UN Charter, as well as peaceful settlement and diplomacy.

This was reported by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Censor.NET reports.

"We believe that this text actually shows that Russia failed to "export" its neo-imperialist views on changing the world order and global security architecture through aggression against Ukraine to the BRICS summit participants," the statement said.

The Foreign Ministry emphasized that Moscow's attempts to impose the idea of an allegedly alternative position of the so-called "Global South" on Russian aggression against Ukraine have failed once again.

"The Declaration demonstrated that the BRICS as an association does not have a single position on Russian aggression against Ukraine. We are convinced that this is due to the support of the vast majority of these countries for the goals and principles of the UN Charter, as also stated in the declaration. Such support is incompatible with supporting aggression or changing borders by force, and therefore incompatible with supporting Russia and its aggressive war against Ukraine," the commentary reads.

According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, the BRICS summit, which Russia planned to use to split the world, has once again shown that the world majority remains on the side of Ukraine in its desire to guarantee the establishment of a comprehensive, just and sustainable peace based on respect for international law and the UN Charter, including the principle of territorial integrity within internationally recognized borders.

"We recall that the only way to achieve this is through the Peace Formula. We call on all countries that stand on the side of international law, not the right of force, to join its implementation," the Foreign Ministry summarized.

As a reminder, on October 22, 2024, the BRICS summit began in Kazan, with 22 leaders participating, including Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. At the same time, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva canceled his trip due to a head injury he received shortly before the summit.

On October 23, the media reported that UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres had arrived in Kazan for an unannounced visit to participate in the BRICS summit.

In its turn, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine stated that Secretary-General Antonio Guterres was damaging the reputation of the UN.

It also became known that on October 23, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan arrived in Kazan, Russia, to participate in the BRICS summit . Source: https://censor.net/en/n3516435

[Dargo]

No tovarish it’s just my opinion of Ukraine based on Ukrainian news reports and concerns of our own government. One in particular comes to mind quoting a wounded Ukrainian soldier suggested the only way to defeat Russia was to defeat corruption within Ukraine first. It was from censor.net I’ll dig around and try to find it, it’s been awhile.

The west has invested more in Ukraines economy and defense in the last two years than Ukraine did in the last thirty years. That’s fine though just wish the lazy ants would stop complaining. You know as well as I do who will get the blame for Ukraines failures.Excluding Russia’s gas reserves in Asia, Ukraine today holds the second biggest known gas reserves in Europe. As of late 2019, known Ukrainian reserves amounted to 1.09 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, second only to Norway’s known resources of 1.53 trillion cubic meters. Yet, these enormous reserves of energy remain largely untapped. https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/
https://i.postimg.cc/8zkDztDJ/ukraine-oilfields.png
Ukraine's petroleum products are closer to Western Europe and in a milder climate. Ukraine will put downward pressure on the price Putin will be able to charge for his petroleum products. Putin must have significant petroleum revenues to stay in power. In essence, to stay in power, Putin must prevent Ukraine from becoming a major petroleum producer. And Ukraine is a more reliable partner than Russia, where your investments can be stolen by the state any moment.
https://i.postimg.cc/Znj634sz/ukraine-natural-resource.jpg
Ukraine has extremely rich and complementary mineral resources in high concentrations and close proximity to each other. Rich iron ore reserves, one of the richest areas of manganese-bearing ores in the world. Ukraine also has important deposits of titanium ore, bauxite, nepheline (a source of soda), alunite (a source of potash), and mercury (cinnabar, or mercuric sulfide) ores. A large deposit of ozokerite (a natural paraffin wax) occurs near the city of Boryslav. Subcarpathia possesses potassium salt deposits, and both Subcarpathia and the Donets Basin have large deposits of rock salt. Some phosphorites as well as natural sulfur are found in Ukraine. Big industry military and non-military in the USSR were in Ukraine also it also was highly in the top of the USSR science maybe now you can grab the idea why the West want to invest in Ukraine and not in Russia.

[Rockstar]

Excluding Russia’s gas reserves in Asia, Ukraine today holds the second biggest known gas reserves in Europe. As of late 2019, known Ukrainian reserves amounted to 1.09 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, second only to Norway’s known resources of 1.53 trillion cubic meters. Yet, these enormous reserves of energy remain largely untapped. https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/
https://i.postimg.cc/8zkDztDJ/ukraine-oilfields.png
Ukraine's petroleum products are closer to Western Europe and in a milder climate. Ukraine will put downward pressure on the price Putin will be able to charge for his petroleum products. Putin must have significant petroleum revenues to stay in power. In essence, to stay in power, Putin must prevent Ukraine from becoming a major petroleum producer. And Ukraine is a more reliable partner than Russia, where your investments can be stolen by the state any moment.
https://i.postimg.cc/Znj634sz/ukraine-natural-resource.jpg
Ukraine has extremely rich and complementary mineral resources in high concentrations and close proximity to each other. Rich iron ore reserves, one of the richest areas of manganese-bearing ores in the world. Ukraine also has important deposits of titanium ore, bauxite, nepheline (a source of soda), alunite (a source of potash), and mercury (cinnabar, or mercuric sulfide) ores. A large deposit of ozokerite (a natural paraffin wax) occurs near the city of Boryslav. Subcarpathia possesses potassium salt deposits, and both Subcarpathia and the Donets Basin have large deposits of rock salt. Some phosphorites as well as natural sulfur are found in Ukraine. Ukraine industry military and non-military in the USSR were in Ukraine also it also was highly in the top of the USSR science maybe now you can grab the idea why the West want to invest in Ukraine and not in Russia.


Yes I know I posted that several pages back. Remember when Zelenskyy put up 400,000 billion of national assets for sale? The west is buying those up including the rights to those reserves to pay for the war. Like I said before, no matter the outcome Ukraine will likely have little to nothing left of any value to call its own. Such is the price of not building a deterrence allowing others pick you apart.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91BR_fupzDU

[Dargo]

Yes I know I posted that several pages back. Remember when Zelenskyy put up 400,000 billion of national assets for sale? The west is buying those up including the rights to those reserves to pay for the war. Like I said before, no matter the outcome Ukraine will likely have little to nothing left of any value to call its own. Such is the price of not building a deterrence allowing others pick you apart.Ukraine with a ten times smaller economy could never build a deterrence against Russia on its own without foreign capital investment. No country can, if Poland was not in NATO it could never build the deterrence because we are combined richer we can as NATO can. This is the whole idea why we created NATO.

[August]

400,000 billion of national assets for sale?





Four hundred thousand billion is 400 TRILLION dollars. You might want to check your math.

[mapuc]

As Putin would care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjoddt7x3Uw

Markus

[Rockstar]

Four hundred thousand billion is 400 TRILLION dollars. You might want to check your math.

400 trillion dollars is a pretty big number. Begs the question if they had that all a long why did they need 60 billion in aid from us then?

Why didn’t they begin exploiting those resources to develope a defense after Maiden?

[August]

400 trillion dollars is a pretty big number. That begs the question if they had that all a long why did they need 60 billion in aid from us then?


I'm questioning the accuracy of your numbers. $450 Trillion is the total private net worth of the entire world. You really believe that $400T is anywhere near what Ukraine has sitting underground in it's eastern side of the country?


Oh and to answer your question, maybe because it's all sitting under Russian military boots. Kinda hard to exploit what you don't possess which you should know.

[Rockstar]

I'm questioning the accuracy of your numbers. $450 Trillion is the total private net worth of the entire world. You really believe that $400T is anywhere near what Ukraine has sitting underground in it's eastern side of the country?

I never meant to bring in the trillion number. I meant Zelenskyy put 400 billion in national assets up for sale to pay for the war. I was inclined to think it may include the rights to some that energy. Sorry, I can be like Tim Walz sometimes.

But still leaves me wondering. If they were such pro west saints why didn’t they get to work and exploit those energy resources earlier, sell it to Europe and build a defense after their new found sovereignty rather than let it waste away. Still too many corrupt apparatchiks working for Putin maybe

[mapuc]

Guess it's not much we can do, if NK is fighting in Russia(Kursk) or is it ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qxaO5azExM

Markus

[Dargo]

I never meant to bring in the trillion number. I meant Zelenskyy put 400 billion in national assets up for sale to pay for the war. I was inclined to think it may include the rights to some that energy. Sorry, I can be like Tim Walz sometimes.

But still leaves me wondering. If they were such pro west saints why didn’t they get to work and exploit those energy resources earlier, sell it to Europe and build a defense after their new found sovereignty rather than let it waste away. Still too many corrupt apparatchiks working for Putin maybeI still see no evidence in what you say, and it is normal if you as country seek money they offer the lender the guaranty that this loan is covert any country and I mean every country even the US operates on these criteria. It does not mean you give away national assets up for sale, else China or Saudi Arabia could begin to say they own large parts of the US, that is not how it works.

[Dargo]

Guess it's not much we can do, if NK is fighting in Russia(Kursk) or is it ?

MarkusWhy would we do something when people want to die, please let them send a couple of thousands more this really does not make any dent let them think they can win this way why would we make mistakes when the enemy makes them so beautiful.

[mapuc]

Why would we do something when people want to die, please let them send a couple of thousands more this really does not make any dent let them think they can win this way why would we make mistakes when the enemy makes them so beautiful.

Napoleon once said:
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Markus

[Rockstar]

I still see no evidence in what you say, and it is normal if you as country seek money they offer the lender the guaranty that this loan is covert any country and I mean every country even the US operates on these criteria. It does not mean you give away national assets up for sale, else China or Saudi Arabia could begin to say they own large parts of the US, that is not how it works.

It’s called Ukraine Advantage Initiative. If only they would have done this when they became independent.

https://dia.dp.gov.ua/en/ukraine-presented-the-advantage-ukraine-platform-for-attracting-foreign-investments/

Ukraine offers everyone interested a wide investment menu of potential opportunities worth more than $400 billion. The Ukrainian delegation presented it in Lugano, and currently the list of real projects is increasing daily and becoming more diverse.

Now I’m beginning to understand the “as long as it takes” plan. Keep the war going and Ukraine won’t own a damn thing ;).

[Dargo]

It’s called Ukraine Advantage Initiative. If only they would have done this when they became independent.

https://dia.dp.gov.ua/en/ukraine-presented-the-advantage-ukraine-platform-for-attracting-foreign-investments/



Now I’m beginning to understand the “as long as it takes” plan. Keep the war going and Ukraine won’t own a damn thing ;).This is a normal investment project like all capitalist countries offer to get capital investment to grow their industry, no proof of giving away national assets up for sale. Ukraine military production runs on 25% if we provide capital investments it will produce more Ukraine has more weapons, and we bear the fruits for our investments it does not mean we own Ukraine military production. Same with the resources we deliver equipment and knowhow, in doing that our industry profits still does not mean we own the resources. Even when this war is over we the west will start investing more to create a larger war machine how bigger Ukraine war industry become how safer we are and Ukraine will become economical and military stronger. A big partner that will join our side and not theirs do not see the need that bashing towards Ukraine they are better warriors than us. With your logic, we would have lost the Cold War on April 4, 1949. To revive markets for the export of U.S. products, the U.S. government made a strategic choice to invest in Japan and Germany. From 1947 onward, the United States gave $13.3 billion (is equivalent in purchasing power to about $183,807,757,847.53 today) in grants and loans to Germany and 15 other European countries, as well as $2.44 billion to Japan. Does the US own Japan and Germany now? Nah!

[Rockstar]

Investments are not handouts. When someone invests in a company they become full or part owner of that company and as owners will expect a return on that investment.

Only way out of that is if Ukraine nationalizes the company. Then we invade. Lol

[Dargo]

Investments are not handouts. When someone invests in a company they become full or part owner of that company and as owners will expect a return on that investment.

Only way out of that is if Ukraine nationalizes the company. Then we invade. LolI do not care like the states does not care you do not understand, but this will happen and Ukraine will become stronger and keep what is theirs. And good luck with invading Ukraine, pfff.

[mapuc]

I do not care like the states does not care you do not understand, but this will happen and Ukraine will become stronger and keep what is theirs. And good luck with invading Ukraine, pfff.

And I who thought that the West and Ukraine had made some agreement under the table-We help you fighting the Russians and you give us access to what you have in the underground.

Markus

[Dargo]

And I who thought that the West and Ukraine had made some agreement under the table-We help you fighting the Russians and you give us access to what you have in the underground.

MarkusOh they get their resources, but it always has a price and both the West and Ukraine will profit from it. It is rather stupid to think a weak Ukraine will provide security for us, no exactly like Germany and Japan we will ensure Ukraine becomes a strong partner in our alliance. That is how global security works, we do not live in the colonial era any more. But some in the US think they won their revolution on their own but forget the Dutch and France invested and gave them aid to win from the British Empire. Like with capitalism, it is not the US that invented that. The British East India Company (1600) and the Dutch East India Company (1602) launched an era of large state chartered trading companies. These companies were characterized by their monopoly on trade, granted by letters patent provided by the state. Recognized as chartered joint-stock companies by the state, these companies enjoyed lawmaking, military, and treaty-making privileges. Characterized by its colonial and expansionary powers by states, powerful nation-states sought to accumulate precious metals, and military conflicts arose. During this era, merchants, who had previously traded on their own, invested capital in the East India Companies and other colonies, seeking a return on investment.

[August]

I never meant to bring in the trillion number. I meant Zelenskyy put 400 billion in national assets up for sale to pay for the war. I was inclined to think it may include the rights to some that energy. Sorry, I can be like Tim Walz sometimes.

But still leaves me wondering. If they were such pro west saints why didn’t they get to work and exploit those energy resources earlier, sell it to Europe and build a defense after their new found sovereignty rather than let it waste away. Still too many corrupt apparatchiks working for Putin maybe


Pro west saints? WTH does that mean?

[Rockstar]

Pro west saints? WTH does that mean?

After hearing and reading about everyone cheering how if Ukraine falls Europe falls, Ukraine is fighting for all of us, freedom and democracy, etc etc. It was dare I say sarcasm. If it is all those things why is Ukraine just now seeking international investments and defense? Why did they let what they have go to waste or not start selling energy to Europe or work towards joining NATO or the E.U. the 25 years since independence, never heard a peep from them. Likely because what 80% of Ukrainians think their government is involved in, corruption.

[August]

After hearing and reading about everyone cheering how if Ukraine falls Europe falls, Ukraine is fighting for all of us, freedom and democracy, etc etc. It was dare I say sarcasm. If it is all those things why is Ukraine just now seeking international investments and defense? Why did they let what they have go to waste or not start selling energy to Europe or work towards joining NATO or the E.U. the 25 years since independence, never heard a peep from them? Likely because what 80% of Ukrainians think their government is involved in, corruption.

Just now? They have been seeking EU and NATO membership for well over a decade. In the meantime they have made significant strides in building their military.

BTW 80%, where did you get that number?

The only 80% poll that I could find is one from over a year ago where 80% of those polled believed that Zelensky is responsible for dealing with corruption (ie rooting it out) which to every account I have read has been significantly achieved.

You're not twisting that into something it isn't just to to try and justify your obvious hatred of the Ukrainian people (or insects as you refer to them), who have shown themselves to be both extremely brave and resolute in their fight against the evil Russians, are you?

[Jimbuna]

Probably.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxri9n-2ur8

[Skybird]

Ukraine's - trap...?? :haha:



Just look at how the territory dominance in Kursk changed over the past couple of weeks and then tell me thats a Ukrainian plan. :D

[Jimbuna]

Media information that 7 NATO countries are against Ukraine’s invitation to Alliance is untrue - Zelenskyy’s spokesman Nykyforov

The President's Office denied the information that 7 NATO member states oppose Ukraine's accession to the Alliance.

This was stated by the presidential spokesman Serhii Nykyforov, Censor.NET reports citing Ukrinform.

"Media reports that seven countries oppose Ukraine's invitation to join NATO are not true. These rumors are beneficial to those who want to create a false impression that Ukraine's accession does not have broad support among the Alliance members. In fact, the idea of inviting Ukraine is supported by the vast majority of member states, and active advocacy work is underway for the rest," he explained.

Earlier, Politico reported that the United States, Germany, Belgium, Slovenia, Spain, Slovakia, and Hungary oppose Ukraine's accession to NATO.

One of the points of Zelenskyy's "Victory Plan" is to receive an invitation to NATO. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3516538

[Rockstar]

Just now? They have been seeking EU and NATO membership for well over a decade. In the meantime they have made significant strides in building their military.

BTW 80%, where did you get that number?

The only 80% poll that I could find is one from over a year ago where 80% of those polled believed that Zelensky is responsible for dealing with corruption (ie rooting it out) which to every account I have read has been significantly achieved.

You're not twisting that into something it isn't just to to try and justify your obvious hatred of the Ukrainian people (or insects as you refer to them), who have shown themselves to be both extremely brave and resolute in their fight against the evil Russians, are you?


Hatred? lol I don’t hate Ukraine. I also support aid to Ukraine just to stick it to the Russians. Only pointing out the obvious about Ukraine. It took between 9 and 13 years for damn near every former Warsaw pact member to join NATO. Ukraine has been independent since 1991 and they never made any headway building a deterrence to even protect themselves. Until we finally took them by the hand in 2014. As for corruption instead of the BBC or Newsweek look at Ukrainian media sources to see it’s alive and well. Reading Euro news sources other than BBC or Newsweek E.U. leaders are now saying they are against inviting Ukraine join NATO. In other words I’m thinking it’s as good as it’s gonna get for Ukraine until a negotiated peace.

That and it’s like an echo chamber in here.

[mapuc]

Ukraine has been independent since 1991 and they never made any headway building a deterrence to even protect themselves. Until we finally took them by the hand in 2014.

Could it be that they put to much trust in this Budapest Memorandum ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

Could it be that they put to much trust in this Budapest Memorandum ?

Markus

Maybe, but to be so foolish as not to start building a deterrence against Russia your first day of independence is unimaginable.

[mapuc]

Maybe, but to be so foolish as not to start building a deterrence against Russia your first day of independence is unimaginable.

You're right they should or maybe they did, but the corruption ate most of the money to the military.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvDydshoHAA

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine's - trap...?? :haha:



Just look at how the territory dominance in Kursk changed over the past couple of weeks and then tell me thats a Ukrainian plan. :D

Putin seeks to retake Kursk region with North Korean troops - FT

North Korean troops stationed in Russia may be deployed to the Kursk region. Russian president Vladimir Putin hopes they will help reclaim parts of the Kursk region currently controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, reports the Financial Times.

North Korea has sent 12,000 soldiers to Russia to assist Moscow in retaking the Kursk region, where Ukrainian forces have held territory since August.

Analysts suggest that North Korean forces are too small to change the course of the war. Russia would need to double its 50,000-strong contingent in the Kursk region to push out Ukrainian forces and launch a new wave of mobilization to achieve significant gains along the Ukrainian front line.

However, Western analysts believe North Korean troops could still pose challenges for Ukraine. They may have better cohesion and motivation, potentially fighting in ways Russian forces cannot, especially given the latter’s low morale.

Western intelligence sources report that Putin has resisted calls from his senior leadership to launch a new wave of mobilization, instead offering large bonuses to volunteers. This has helped Russia maintain a recruitment pace of 30,000 new soldiers per month, and payments to recruits have been greatly increased in various regions.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-seeks-to-retake-kursk-region-with-north-korean-troops-ft/ar-AA1sQB53?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=84f51a278b754686840117c3f0821d45&ei=45

[Rockstar]

Putin seeks to retake Kursk region with North Korean troops - FT

But John Kirby just said we don’t why NK troops are there. Loyd Austin said it may be an indication Putin has troop shortages. Neither mentioned Kursk

[Dargo]

But John Kirby just said we don’t why NK troops are there. Loyd Austin said it may be an indication Putin has troop shortages. Neither mentioned KurskThis intel comes from the South Korean intelligence service.

[Rockstar]

This intel comes from the South Korean intelligence service.

Of course it does and the general public got to hear the intel before John Kirby and Loyd Austin did, sounds legit.

[Commander Wallace]

Maybe, but to be so foolish as not to start building a deterrence against Russia your first day of independence is unimaginable.

Actually, The Ukraine had in fact inherited a credible defense and deterrence when the former Soviet Union broke up. The arsenal Ukraine inherited included Nuclear Weapons as well as a BlackJack heavy bombers Regiment, Missiles of various sorts and Aircraft.

Ukraine inherited nuclear weapons after the breakup of the Soviet Union but voluntarily relinquished them in the 1990s in return for guarantees of its territorial integrity by Russia. We all know this is a deal Moscow obviously reneged on by invading its the Ukraine. This agreement was known as the Budapest Memorandum.

The U.S and U.K and I believe Germany stupidly browbeat the Ukraine into giving up it's Nuclear Weapons and other weapons. It can easily be argued that this stupid and short sighted Idea Orchestrated by " Good ole boy " President Clinton was not in the Ukraine's best interests. This agreement essentially doomed the Ukraine in the long run. It was thought that the Ukraine didn't have the knowledge or expertise to maintain these weapons which is rubbish. This stupid agreement has brought us to where we are today.

The U.S and other countries should have minded it's own business and let Ukraine tend to it's own business on how to maintain it's inherited Weaponry and territorial Integrity. Who better than the Ukraine would understand Russia and in ways the U.S and others do not.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/deceit-dread-and-disbelief-story-how-ukraine-lost-its-nuclear-arsenal-207076

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2022-04-08/was-ukraine-wrong-give-its-nukes

[Dargo]

Of course it does and the general public got to hear the intel before John Kirby and Loyd Austin did, sounds legit.The Republic of Korea is one of NATO’s partners in the Indo-Pacific region, together with Australia, Japan and New Zealand. NATO and the Republic of Korea have been engaged in dialogue and cooperation since 2005. John Kirby and Lloyd Austin were briefed at least before the story got public.

[Rockstar]

Actually, The Ukraine had in fact inherited a credible defense and deterrence when the former Soviet Union broke up. The arsenal Ukraine inherited included Nuclear Weapons as well as a BlackJack heavy bombers Regiment, Missiles of various sorts and Aircraft.

Ukraine inherited nuclear weapons after the breakup of the Soviet Union but voluntarily relinquished them in the 1990s in return for guarantees of its territorial integrity by Russia. We all know this is a deal Moscow obviously reneged on by invading its the Ukraine. This agreement was known as the Budapest Memorandum.

The U.S and U.K and I believe Germany stupidly browbeat the Ukraine into giving up it's Nuclear Weapons and other weapons. It can easily be argued that this stupid and short sighted Idea Orchestrated by " Good ole boy " President Clinton was not in the Ukraine's best interests. This agreement essentially doomed the Ukraine in the long run. It was thought that the Ukraine didn't have the knowledge or expertise to maintain these weapons which is rubbish. This stupid agreement has brought us to where we are today.

The U.S and other countries should have minded it's own business and let Ukraine tend to it's own business on how to maintain it's inherited Weaponry and territorial Integrity. Who better than the Ukraine would understand Russia and in ways the U.S and others do not.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/deceit-dread-and-disbelief-story-how-ukraine-lost-its-nuclear-arsenal-207076

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2022-04-08/was-ukraine-wrong-give-its-nukes


Yes they did inherit a conventional arsenal, but as I said they let it all go to waste or sold it on the black market. Going on about how Ukraine knew Russia best? Obviously they did t know squat because had they took their new sovereignty seriously Putin would not so easily stayed in Crimea.

As far as nukes go Ukraine didn’t own them they belonged to Moscow who held the only authority to launch them. Looking at the state of their conventional forces they likely could not have afforded the cost of transitioning launch authority or maintenance of that nuke arsenal anyway.

[Dargo]

Meet “Russian disease,” the centuries-old corruption plaguing Ukraine invasionFrom expired rations to sunken flagships, it echoes historical defeats, transforming Putin’s “three-day” campaign into a prolonged struggle against not just Ukraine, but Russia’s own systemic rot. The invasion of Ukraine has plunged Russia’s economy into a case of “Dutch disease,” an economic paradox where a country’s income from a specific sector—in this case, oil—becomes disproportionately high, damaging other industries. The global surge in oil prices, driven partly by the war, led to a significant increase in the ruble’s value against other currencies (a phenomenon known as currency appreciation) in 2022. This strengthening of the ruble, while seemingly positive, actually slowed down other economic sectors by making Russian exports more expensive and less competitive in global markets.

It is widely recognized that Russia has been propping up its overall economy through substantial cash injections from the country’s reserves. Key investments are now directed towards military production and other war-related expenses. In an extraordinary transformation unthinkable in democratic countries, Russia now allocates nearly half of its state budget to expenditures related to the invasion. The influx of funds for military purposes may create another paradox that is uniquely characteristic of Russia. This phenomenon, which we might term the “Russian disease,” stems from the ruling elite’s misplaced confidence in their ability to win any war due to their resource advantage.

Paradoxically, this overconfidence often leads to failure, even in smaller local conflicts, due to corruption and inefficiencies fueled by this misguided assurance... https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/10/22/meet-russian-disease-the-centuries-old-corruption-hindering-ukraine-invasion/

[Commander Wallace]

Yes they did inherit a conventional arsenal, but as I said they let it all go to waste or sold it on the black market. As far as nukes go Ukraine didn’t own them they belonged to Moscow who held the only authority to launch them. Looking at the condition of their conventional forces they likely could not have afforded the cost of transitioning launch authority or maintenance of that nuke arsenal anyway.

No, Ukraine Inherited a Nuclear arsenal as well. While technically, Russia maintained ownership, they were on Ukrainian soil. While Ukraine may not have been able to maintain a large arsenal of Nuclear Weapons, even a limited number may have in itself been a credible deterrence to Moscow. We both know Ukraine would have been able to lock Russia out of the launch authority and institute it's own.

Moscow contends that any threats to it's territorial integrity would bring about the use of it's Nuclear arsenal. If the Ukraine had adopted this identical policy and kept it's Nuclear Weapons, this would have constituted a balance and acted as a deterrence.

[mapuc]

No, Ukraine Inherited a Nuclear arsenal as well. While technically, Russia maintained ownership, they were on Ukrainian soil. While Ukraine may not have been able to maintain a large arsenal of Nuclear Weapons, even a limited number may have in itself been a credible deterrence to Moscow. We both know Ukraine would have been able to lock Russia out of the launch authority and institute it's own.

Moscow contends that any threats to it's territorial integrity would bring about the use of it's Nuclear arsenal. If the Ukraine had adopted this identical policy and kept it's Nuclear Weapons, this would have constituted a balance and acted as a deterrence.

Only a few would have been enough to make Kremlin think twice before invading.

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Only a few would have been enough to make Kremlin think twice before invading.

Markus


I agree and would have enabled Kyiv and given it time to get it's act together regarding conventional forces and training.

[mapuc]

I agree and would have enabled Kyiv and given it time to get it's act together regarding conventional forces and training.

If my memory does not play tricks with me I, I would say UAF started to train NATO style right after Crimea had been annexed.

And it is this type of warfare most of the UAF use against Russia and North Korea.

Markus

[Catfish]

Seems Russia's economy is taking a dive

"Russian arms chief warns of mass bankruptcies

23:55: Russian industry is threatened by mass bankruptcies, says the head of Russia's largest defense company, Sergei Chemezov.

He is quoted by the Russian financial portal RBC as saying that the problem for the manufacturing industry is the sharp rise in interest rates on loans, which are "eating up" all profits and preventing investment.

"When we sign contracts for products with a production cycle of more than one year, we naturally receive a maximum of 30 to 40 percent advance payment. We have to borrow the remaining funds for the manufacture of these products," said the head of the state-owned conglomerate. With such an interest rate, the entire profit is eaten up by the interest.

He lamented that the central bank's interest rate in Russia is already a "record". "If we carry on like this, most of our companies will go bankrupt," warned the head of Rostec."

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

[Jimbuna]

Putin's attempt to get BRICS support for war against Ukraine fails, says EU spokesperson

Russian president Vladimir Putin's attempt to get the BRICS to support his war against Ukraine failed. The summit in Kazan was an example of Russia's isolation, says the European Union spokesperson Peter Stano at a briefing.

The EU took note of the declaration of the BRICS summit in Kazan. According to the spokesperson, the summit was Putin's attempt to abuse Russia's rotating BRICS presidency to try to break out of international isolation.

According to Stano, Russia's attempt to gain support for the war against Ukraine was a failure.

“But when we look at the Kazan Declaration, there was no unified position regarding Russia's ongoing war of aggression against Ukraine, but there was a reference to national positions of the individual countries states. The reference to national positions of individual BRICS members in this declaration demonstrates that Russia's attempts to get any support (for the war against Ukraine - ed.) in this format, in the format of BRICS, have failed again,” Stano said.

Such a position of the BRICS countries is another example of Russia's international isolation over the war in Ukraine.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-s-attempt-to-get-brics-support-for-war-against-ukraine-fails-says-eu-spokesperson/ar-AA1sRwQX?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=079b12877ace4a37b3786a0009544085&ei=40

[Commander Wallace]

Yes they did inherit a conventional arsenal, but as I said they let it all go to waste or sold it on the black market. Going on about how Ukraine knew Russia best? Obviously they did t know squat because had they took their new sovereignty seriously Putin would not so easily stayed in Crimea.



Do you really believe that ? Do you think you know Russia better than Ukraine or do you think the U.S knows Russia better than a Country like the Ukraine that shared a border with Russia and that has a long history that spans centuries with Russian and had been a part of the former USSR ? Do you really believe that someone from across a vast Ocean knows your next door neighbor better than you do ? It's precisely this sort of arrogance that put the Ukraine in the position it finds itself in now.

As far as Crimea, Ukraine is valiantly fighting for the sovereignty of it's country, not unlike another Republic some 248 years ago in the North American Continent. By the way, do you know for a fact that Ukraine sold it's military hardware on the black market ?

[mapuc]

According to this guy the artillery duels is down to 1:2 ratio when Russia fires 2 Ukraine manage to fire 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xpH6hclOzo

Markus

[Skybird]

Putin's attempt to get BRICS support for war against Ukraine fails, says EU spokesperson
Every participant of the summit refused to mention Russia'S role in the Ukraine war or to criticise Russia. While Putin lectured about the immorality of the Gaza and Lebanon war, all of his guests refused to remind him of his own immoral assault on Ukraine. The boss-a.h. of the UN talked of a "just peace" for the war and did not discriminate one bit between victim and perpetrator, sort of enobling Putin's summit with his mere UN-presence.

The EU whistles alone in the forest.

[mapuc]

Some of you have mentioned the phrase 'boil the frog' This I remembered when I saw the title of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQmjS1HB4Pc

Markus

[Dargo]

Can it only be 3 months, is Kim a bigger gambler than Putin?

North has enough military supplies for three months in case of warNorth Korea is believed to have secured military supplies that could last up to three months in the event of a war and is running its munitions factories at full capacity to support Russia, a lawmaker said Wednesday. The assessment came after a confirmation from South Korea's National Intelligence Service last week that North Korea plans to send around 10,000 troops to Russia, with 1,500 special forces already dispatched earlier this month. "North Korea is presumed to have secured weapons and other war material that could last for one to three months," Rep. Kang Dae-sik of the People Power Party said, citing the Defense Ministry.

The report showed that while the North's shipments of 152 millimeter (5.98 inches) artillery shells and missiles to Russia have had limited impact on its stockpile so far, additional shipments could potentially hamper its military training due to a shortage of ammunition. The report, meanwhile, estimated North Korea to have shipped some 20,000 containers to Russia via the northeastern port city of Rajin, which could carry some 9.4 million 152 millimeter shells when fully stocked. Of the 200 munitions factories presumed to be in North Korea, the report said the North appears to be operating those that produce weapons shipped to Russia at "full capacity," without further elaborating. It added that information on the monthly production output at major arms factories in the North is limited as they are built in underground facilities for enhanced survivability. https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-10-23/national/defense/North-has-enough-military-supplies-for-three-months-in-case-of-war-Defense-Ministry/2161838

[Reece]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLOsndl59bs

[Jimbuna]

Every participant of the summit refused to mention Russia'S role in the Ukraine war or to criticise Russia. While Putin lectured about the immorality of the Gaza and Lebanon war, all of his guests refused to remind him of his own immoral assault on Ukraine. The boss-a.h. of the UN talked of a "just peace" for the war and did not discriminate one bit between victim and perpetrator, sort of enobling Putin's summit with his mere UN-presence.

The EU whistles alone in the forest.

Yep :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Poland will not hand over weapons bought from South Korea to Ukraine - Duda

Poland will not transfer weapons bought from South Korea to Ukraine.

This was stated by President Andrzej Duda during his visit to South Korea, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"We are not considering any scenario in which we hand over weapons that were recently bought for billions of zlotys from the pockets of Polish taxpayers. These weapons are intended to ensure the security and defense of the Republic of Poland," he said.

The president noted that "he was asked about this by Ukrainian partners."

"My answer was unequivocal: as long as I am the president, we cannot transfer to someone the weapons that we have purchased in recent years to strengthen the security of the Republic of Poland. I repeat once again about the billions of dollars from our common pockets because they are the pockets of taxpayers," - Duda added.

Earlier, South Korean President Yoon Seok-yeol said that he may consider providing weapons to Ukraine depending on the scale of military cooperation between Russia and North Korea. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3516733

[mapuc]

UK completes basic training for 200 Ukrainian future F-16 pilots.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/10/24/uk-completes-basic-training-for-200-ukrainian-future-f-16-pilots/

Markus

[Dargo]

Musk has been in contact with Putin, Russian officials since 2022, WSJ reportsFormer and current European, U.S., and Russian officials told the WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/musk-putin-secret-conversations-37e1c187) that Musk has held further conversations with Putin and other high-ranking Kremlin officials since late 2022. This reportedly included Sergei Kiriyenko, Putin's first deputy chief of staff, who has been named as the top figure of Russian propaganda and disinformation activities. Since Musk acquired X (formerly known as Twitter), experts have pointed out a sharp rise of disinformation, hate speech, and radical and pro-authoritarian content on the platform. Musk, an avid user of the platform himself, used it to speak out against the passage of a Ukraine aid bill earlier this year and said that "there is no way in hell" that Russia could lose the war. Putin also asked Musk not to activate Starlink over Taiwan as a favor to Beijing, which claims the island as its sovereign territory, the WSJ wrote. Starlink is currently not active in Taiwan.https://kyivindependent.com/musk-putin-wsj/

[Dargo]

Russia suffering horrific loses in Kursk, hence North Korean troops being sent there. Ukraine's Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief, General Oleksandr Syrskyi, dismissed Putin's claim that Ukraine forces were surrounded in Russia's Kursk region. Syrskyi said since invading Kursk in August,
Russia's suffered:
6,662 troops killed
10,446 wounded
711 captured
Ukraine's destroyed:
45 Russian tanks
256 armoured combat vehicles
565 other vehicles
99 artillery systems
5 rocket launchers

https://armyinform-com-ua.translate.goog/2024/10/25/oleksandr-syrskyj-sprostuvav-zayavy-pro-otochennya-ukrayinskyh-vijsk-u-kurskij-oblasti/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://kyivindependent.com/russian-casualties-in-kursk/

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM8CY8FoZRU

Markus

[Skybird]

Musk has been in contact with Putin, Russian officials since 2022, WSJ reports
https://kyivindependent.com/musk-putin-wsj/
It has also been reported that Russia has gained the ability and knowledge on how to use Starlink for its own purposes.

[Dargo]

It has also been reported that Russia has gained the ability and knowledge on how to use Starlink for its own purposes.Then we all know who taught him that. Musk has outright admitted that he has an overview of every single active Starlink unit and can access and control them remotely. There is no possible way that Russia is using Starlink without Musk's knowledge.

[Dargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw0IwF6AAh0

[Jimbuna]

Then we all know who taught him that. Musk has outright admitted that he has an overview of every single active Starlink unit and can access and control them remotely. There is no possible way that Russia is using Starlink without Musk's knowledge.

If you're right this is a major development.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNGWsXDy9iA

[Dargo]

If you're right this is a major development.Every telecom provider and Starlink is that knows where the routers are and can at any time disallow access to their network with satellites they know the exact location else those routers can not connect. For about a year I see reports that Russia can buy and use Starlink could be via the black market, but that makes no difference, Starlink controls who log in.

[Jimbuna]

Every telecom provider and Starlink is that knows where the routers are and can at any time disallow access to their network with satellites they know the exact location else those routers can not connect. For about a year I see reports that Russia can buy and use Starlink could be via the black market, but that makes no difference, Starlink controls who log in.

That is interesting to know, cheers :up:

[Jimbuna]

OOPS!

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DOkz0MiyrM

Markus

[Dargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDpUxdKHSdc

[mapuc]

Can they retake Crimea ? Maybe they can if they have the time. Understand I'm talking within the next 5-10 years

Markus

[Dargo]

Can they retake Crimea ? Maybe they can if they have the time. Understand I'm talking within the next 5-10 years

MarkusIt is not about physically retaking Crimea. Russia is already unable to use Crimea as a military staging ground, Ukraine must destroy it as a supply line and make Russia deny defending it effectively as a base of operations. The territory of the peninsula allows for the deployment of significant groups of troops and supplies of material resources. Crimea is home to the main base of the Black Sea Fleet and a network of airfields for conducting air strikes on almost the entire depth of the territory of Ukraine that must become too expensive that they like the Black Sea Fleet leave.

[Skybird]

Russia and any Russian leader cannot afford to give up Crimea. I think they even will use nukes if you threaten seriously to take it back. Saying so since already before the war. Losing Crimea is an national offence. It looses the main entry point of Russia into the Black Sea, is of utmost strategic relevance. Its also a deep-felt heart-affair for Russia. A sentimental thing.

Just saying. Ukraine has any right to take it back, absolutely. But know what consequences you trigger if doing so. I give over 90% probability they will exceed your worst expectations. Thats testing optimism, doesn't it.

[Dargo]

Russia and any Russian leader cannot afford to give up Crimea. I think they even will use nukes if you threaten seriously to take it back. Saying so since already before the war. Losing Crimea is an national offence. It looses the main entry point of Russia into the Black Sea, is of utmost strategic relevance. Its also a deep-felt heart-affair for Russia. A sentimental thing.

Just saying. Ukraine has any right to take it back, absolutely. But know what consequences you trigger if doing so. I give over 90% probability they will exceed your worst expectations. Thats testing optimism, doesn't it.Over two years, Ukraine has neutralised these Russian advantages with staggering success. Its naval and aerial drones and missiles have repeatedly struck Sevastopol and the five major airfields on Crimea, forcing the Black Sea Fleet to in effect abandon its base and the Russian air force to pull back its fighter jets to the Russian mainland. Russia has ferried in air defence systems, but Ukraine has been taking them out at such a rate, its air force spokesman referred to Crimea as a "graveyard for Russian air defence systems." These actions left Crimea militarily almost useless except as a supply route. That is Ukraine strategic goal to make Crimea militarily useless as a supply route.

[Skybird]

And yet Russia can still claim to its people at home that they own Crimea. Thats what counts.

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Media report more and more that Russian economy is overheating. That it does not cook over and sends the lid against the ceiling is exclusively due to the high military spendings, as is to be expected. For next year a growth of the military budget by 30% is announced.

Russia'S economy cannot live anymore without the military spending. And that is no good omen for any hopes for peace and a stable future. Russia existentially depends on war now, it needs war to live. It has therefore no interest in peace, but in ongoing war(s). A peace now is a worst case scenario, Russia would likely economically collapse. I predicted this already long time ago, in the first year. The economic decline will not decide the war in the forseeable future.

Any hopes that Russia will return into the community of civilised states is immature, therefore. This new old enemy is here to stay.

[mapuc]

Over two years, Ukraine has neutralised these Russian advantages with staggering success. Its naval and aerial drones and missiles have repeatedly struck Sevastopol and the five major airfields on Crimea, forcing the Black Sea Fleet to in effect abandon its base and the Russian air force to pull back its fighter jets to the Russian mainland. Russia has ferried in air defence systems, but Ukraine has been taking them out at such a rate, its air force spokesman referred to Crimea as a "graveyard for Russian air defence systems." These actions left Crimea militarily almost useless except as a supply route. That is Ukraine strategic goal to make Crimea militarily useless as a supply route.

I do not questioning the skills of the Ukrainian military. Taking Crimea back is an another ballgame-It's not enough to destroy the air force stationed in Crimea and destroying the air defence. In order to retake they need boots on the ground and move forward and this is going to cost in KIA and WIA not to forget time.
Most important question here is: How will the leader of Russia react to such a defeat-losing Crimea.

I say the same Ukraine has every right to Crimea.

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If Kyiv want Crimea back-They have to invade.
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Markus

[Dargo]

And yet Russia can still claim to its people at home that they own Crimea. Thats what counts.

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Media report more and more that Russian economy is overheating. That it does not cook over and sends the lid against the ceiling is exclusively due to the high military spendings, as is to be expected. For next year a growth of the military budget by 30% is announced.

Russia'S economy cannot live anymore without the military spending. And that is no good omen for any hopes for peace and a stable future. Russia existentially depends on war now, it needs war to live. It has therefore no interest in peace, but in ongoing war(s). A peace now is a worst case scenario, Russia would likely economically collapse. I predicted this already long time ago, in the first year. The economic decline will not decide the war in the forseeable future.

Any hopes that Russia will return into the community of civilised states is immature, therefore. This new old enemy is here to stay.Russian like in the Soviet time know already that it is all a sham, Russia is more than 70% depended on war production from Iran and North Korea. If the CEO of the biggest military production factories says it is going down the drain, it will the same CEO that says the war production is maxed out they do not have the labour force to grow. Economics has everything to do with wars, if you can not produce you will end up with empty coffers at the fronts Iran and North Korea can not keep up their production and neglect their own security. Both are in danger to be attacked, so need their stocks filled in case... Russian war production did not even begin to mass produce new equpment it mostly refurbich old soviet shyte and it already can not keep up with the needs of the fronts that it needs to go the Iran and North Korea buy their shel;s, drones and missles. If you find 30% a good running war production dream on.

[mapuc]

Yes, what are USA gonna do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6CdO3EUBQ

Markus

[Dargo]

Yes, what are USA gonna do?

MarkusUhhhh nothing? I do not expect anything before the 5th November.

[Skybird]

The West has no adequate reply to Russia's ability to come up with new manpower supplies as it needs them, and for the Russian-Northkorean axis and cooperation.


https://www-zeit-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/2024-10/ukraine-lage-nordkorea-truppen-russland-vormarsch-donezk-woche?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


(...)
Not only can Kim Jong Un deliver almost as many missiles to Russia as the entire West delivers to Ukraine, but he also does it quickly - unlike Western governments, which discuss almost every arms delivery in public for months. In addition, North Korean support at least partially undermines the Western strategy of slowly wearing down Russia. After all, how is that supposed to work if Putin can so easily procure ammunition and now even soldiers from outside?
(...)
The West, which has ruled out deploying its own troops, can hardly offer a symmetrical response to the deployment of North Korean soldiers. And Russia has much more experience with asymmetrical warfare. One of the reasons for the US refusal to allow Ukraine to launch long-range attacks on Russian territory is the fear of asymmetrical Russian responses in other regions of the world. This includes, for example, the possible delivery of Russian missiles to anti-US actors such as the Houthi militia in Yemen. According to (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=de&client=webapp&u=https://www.wsj.com/world/russia-provided-targeting-data-for-houthi-assault-on-global-shipping-eabc2c2b?mod%3DSearchresults_pos1%26page%3D1)the Wall Street Journal, (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=de&client=webapp&u=https://www.wsj.com/world/russia-provided-targeting-data-for-houthi-assault-on-global-shipping-eabc2c2b?mod%3DSearchresults_pos1%26page%3D1) they have already received target coordinates for Western targets from Russia.
The West is trying to limit the war to Ukraine. The fact that this gives Putin an advantage is a weakness of the West's Ukraine strategy that is often overlooked. The Russian-North Korean alliance thus proves an inconvenient truth: the Ukraine war was never a regional conflict anyway.
(...)
While Russian propagandists regularly threaten the West with the horror scenario of a nuclear war on state television, Putin is taking a far more pragmatic approach: a steady geographical expansion of the potential conflict zone and thus overstretching the West's ability to stand up to him. He seems to be succeeding.

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 687,600 people (+1,690 per day), 9,109 tanks, 19,782 artillery systems, 18,332 armoured combat vehicles.

Ukrainian defense forces have eliminated 687,600 Russian invaders since the beginning of the full-scale invasion.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 26.10.24 are approximately:

personnel - about 687,600 (+1,690) people,

tanks - 9109 (+12) units,

armored combat vehicles - 18332 (+45) units,

artillery systems - 19782 (+29) units,

MLRS - 1240 (+2) units,

air defense equipment - 984 (+2) units,

aircraft - 369(+0) units,

helicopters - 329 (+0) units,

Operational-tactical UAV - 17726 (+56),

cruise missiles - 2625 (+0),

ships/boats - 28 (+0) units,

submarines - 1 (+0) units,

automotive equipment and tank trucks - 27460 (+95) units,

special equipment - 3541 (+6) Source: https://censor.net/en/n3516868

[Jimbuna]

UN Secretary General is prohibited from meeting with persons who have ICC arrest warrant - Kyslytsia

Ukraine's Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Serhii Kyslytsya, noted that the visit of the organization's Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to Russia and a meeting with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin contradict the UN's line of support for the work of the International Criminal Court.

He wrote about this on his page on the social network X, Censor.NET reports.

Kyslytsia emphasized that the UN Secretary-General is prohibited from meeting with persons who have an ICC arrest warrant.

The diplomat recalled the guidelines for potential meetings between representatives of the UN Secretariat and persons subject to an arrest warrant issued by the International Criminal Court, which were approved by Guterres' predecessor, Ban Ki-moon.

"In 2013, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon issued guidelines governing any potential meeting between a representative of the UN Secretariat and a person subject to an ICC arrest warrant," said the Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the UN.

According to Kyslytsya, according to the guidelines, the Secretary-General and his deputies may from time to time engage in direct contact with such a person only "to address fundamental issues" affecting the ability of the UN and its various offices, programs, and funds to carry out their mandate in the country concerned, including on vital security issues."

As a reminder, the BRICS summit began in Kazan on October 22, 2024.

The BRICS summit in Kazan is attended by 22 leaders, including Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva canceled his trip due to a head injury he suffered shortly before the summit.

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres arrived at the summit.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine said that Secretary-General Antonio Guterres damages the reputation of the UN.

It later became known that Guterres had called for a just peace in Ukraine at the BRICS summit.

During the BRICS summit in Kazan, Guterres also told Russian dictator Vladimir Putin that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a violation of the UN Charter and international law. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3516923

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUgBWUAxIu4

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIXHzkZjwmg

Edit
These Oligarch is the only group of people who can threaten Putin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x8Vvm3Lpig
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Markus

[Catfish]

The oligarchs have their moeny and standing from Putin, and they have zero power the moment Putin withdraws his favours.

What really disturbs me is that no one seems to realize what the west is up against by now, and even the US republicans are slave to Putin's spell. They adore Putin's willful marionettes, from Trump to Musk.

[mapuc]

The oligarchs have their moeny and standing from Putin, and they have zero power the moment Putin withdraws his favours.

What really disturbs me is that no one seems to realize what the west is up against by now, and even the US republicans are slave to Putin's spell. They adore Putin's willful marionettes, from Trump to Musk.

Those who should stand up against Putin, will get invited to a cup of tea or be a testdummy to test strength of windows at the top floor in a high building.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ww7RwcaViw

[Jimbuna]

Russian forces ordered to forgo prisoners, escalating tensions

The spokesperson for the Ukrainian 1st Separate Siversk Tank Brigade, Dina Wong, stated on Saturday, 26th October, that Russian forces in the direction of Kursk had received orders not to take Ukrainian soldiers as prisoners.

"The enemy has ordered its units not to take Ukrainian soldiers as prisoners," Wong said on state television. Issuing such an order constitutes a violation of the provisions of the Geneva Convention. There have already been previous instances of executions of Ukrainian soldiers, which are under investigation by Ukrainian law enforcement agencies. The order indicates that the Russians are prioritising spreading terror and killing Ukrainians in combat.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-forces-ordered-to-forgo-prisoners-escalating-tensions/ar-AA1t057P?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=aaaff62094ea403a8eb67158fcccd941&ei=11

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijn0DavcZ_U

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Canada reduces number of diplomats in Russia to 12

The number of Canada's diplomatic corps in Russia has now been reduced to the minimum acceptable level.

This is reported by the Canadian public broadcaster CBC News, citing data from the Canadian Foreign Affairs Ministry, Censor.NET reports.

It is noted that currently there are only 12 Canadian diplomats working in Russia, which is four times less than under normal conditions. Back in July, the number of Canadian diplomats in Russia was 17. At the same time, 68 Russian diplomats are accredited in Canada.

According to Ferry de Kerckhove, former counselor-envoy of Canada to the Russian Federation, the current number of Canadian diplomats in Russia is only a "skeleton." He noted that 40-45 diplomats can be considered a sufficient level, and after the collapse of the USSR, when Russia was opening itself to the world, 100 Canadian diplomats worked in Russia.

"It must be a hell of a job to work in Moscow right now," Kerkhove said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3517015

[Jimbuna]

Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed 10520 Russian invaders and 1732 units of enemy weapons and equipment in week, - Pavliuk.

During the week of October 20-27, Ukrainian defenders destroyed 10,520 Russian invaders and 1,732 pieces of enemy weapons and military equipment.

This was announced on Telegram by the commander of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Oleksandr Pavliuk, Censor.NET reports.

He said that during this week, enemy losses amounted to about 10,520 personnel.

In addition, Russian troops' weapons and military equipment suffered significant losses.

In particular, over the past week, the Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed:

66 tanks
244 armored combat vehicles;
256 artillery systems;
8 MLRS;
6 air defense systems;
573 units of vehicles;
66 units of enemy special equipment.
The Defense Forces also destroyed one enemy missile and 522 operationally tactical UAVs. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3517027

[mapuc]

Hope there's more like him in the Ukrainian army and GUR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDSqLIr93Fc

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_wxet9LVEA

[Skybird]

Tja. Things look darker every day. The future seems to be pitch black.

https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gerasimow-selenski-hegt-einen-brisanten-plan-entweder-nato-oder-atomwaffen-ld.1853860?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Russia wins. Ukraine loses. That simple it is. Her Western "friends" let Ukraine down - once again.

Russia will pay a heavy economic price, but will persist. In case of Ukraine I am not that certain. Right now it looks as if the economic heart of Ukraine gets ripped out. The West tactfully offers condolences.

Ukraine is being sacrificed in order to inflict a certain amount of damage on Russia for the duration of the sacrifice. Ukraine dies in the process. Russia does not.

States are the coldest of all monsters.

[mapuc]

Tja. Things look darker every day. The future seems to be pitch black.

https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gerasimow-selenski-hegt-einen-brisanten-plan-entweder-nato-oder-atomwaffen-ld.1853860?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Russia wins. Ukraine loses. That simple it is. Her Western "friends" let Ukraine down - once again.

Russia will pay a heavy economic price, but will persist. In case of Ukraine I am not that certain. Right now it looks as if the economic heart of Ukraine gets ripped out. The West tactfully offers condolences.

Ukraine is being sacrificed in order to inflict a certain amount of damage on Russia for the duration of the sacrifice. Ukraine dies in the process. Russia does not.

States are the coldest of all monsters.

I truly hope you are wrong-What saddens me most in all this, is that Russia gets away with this and not being punished for the aggression and war crime.

Markus

[Skybird]

I truly hope you are wrong
Me too.


But intentionally thinking wishfully is not my thing, I just dont tick that way. If an unwanted truth is staring me ugly in the eyes, I stare back.

[mapuc]

Me too.


But intentionally thinking wishfully is not my thing, I just dont tick that way. If an unwanted truth is staring me ugly in the eyes, I stare back.

I fear you(the article) may be right.

I expect the worse and hope for the best.

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Little more info on the North Korean soldiers in Kursk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHHRxcV1xJY
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Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUC5IFgMFoA

[mapuc]

Some thoughts around what Marc posted in his latest comment and Jim's latest video.

Is time on Russian side ?
It seems like Russia have to pull out very old equipment such as T-34 and what else have they pulled out of the moth bag ?

What does this indicate ?

Or is the video nothing but propaganda from the Ukrainian side ?

I think it isn't-Russia can only produce 6-700 modern tanks per year and they get thousands destroyed per year-So they have to take them from somewhere in this case some old tank models.

They most still have a few T-72 left and other T-XX tanks in reserve.

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Now that we talk about tanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdobXRSVx0M
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Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qa2h1DcYKY

Edit
A word from a Danish expert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTiunvocl5c
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Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT5LQY2bVDo

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLBn6xz6D94

[Skybird]

In the past 4 months or so Russia has taken more territory than in the whole 18 months before.

Does this mean Russia gets better and stronger? I dont know, though they certainly adapt and learn. Slowly, but they do that since year one.

But what it really means imo is that Ukrainian defence is crumbling. The war of attrition takes its toll. Russia still can replace this toll, Ukraine can't, and so its defences degrade.

Western leaders have made it quite clear they do not want to support Ukraine decisively, but want to press it into a position where it must accept territorial losses in a "peace" with Russia. I give brown stuff for what they say on press conferences, all the slogans and phrases: hollow and empty lies.

And dont be so fast to take the Northkorean troops as a sign that Putin struggles to find men. It is comfortabel for him to let these unknown foreigners die for his cause instead of Russians, the Northkoreans he must care even less for than for some ethnic minority boys from villages in rural places no citizen in Moscow or St. Peterburg has ever heard off. And he must not call general mobilization. Which he still can, desite what clever "economists" try to make us believe, regarding workforce and such. With the Northkorean troops present, Putin picks an option of choice, not so much an option of desperate need. And if the need arises, he will mobilize. But obviously so far he does not need to mobilize.


Could also be that due to the small ammount of troops, the benefit of the North korean expedition is more in favour of Kim, that it may even be a price Putin had to accept in order to get ammunition and missiles which he needs much more urgently than just a few thousands troops worth two weeks of death toll. Those troops that survive, will return to North Korea, and with them North Korea gets officers with combat experience and veteran status that then will serve as trainers. And that is something North Korea desperately needs, it has no combat experience in its army. Maybe the whole thing is more about doing Kim a favour, not Putin.

And all the time Ukraine gets obliterated more and more, every day, piece by piece, village by village, town by town, city by city, life by life, plant by plant, factory by factory, hospital by hospital, appartement building by appartment building. Not Russia - Ukraine is what gets destroyed. I fail to see the winning trend in this. Thank God that the Russians so far have not chosen to "escalate". We should not allow Ukraine to "escalate" first, that would not be good. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

A pretty fair assessment apart from the final sentence :03:

[Skybird]

Oh my gloomy sarcasm... :03:

[Jimbuna]

North Koreans already switching sides


A group of former North Korean soldiers is seeking to join Ukraine to assist and prepare Ukrainian forces against their own compatriots, who have recently bolstered Russian army ranks.

According to the South China Morning Post, each of these defectors has between seven and ten years of military experience.

The defectors plan to leverage their knowledge of North Korean military tactics to disrupt and lower the morale of the opposing troops by exploiting their psychological vulnerabilities.

Currently, these former North Korean soldiers reside in South Korea, and the timing of their deployment to Ukraine remains unknown.

This news comes as the Pentagon reported that 10,000 North Korean soldiers are now training in Russia before being sent to the front lines.

NATO has also confirmed the presence of North Korean troops in Russia’s Kursk region, where Ukrainian forces continue to hold their positions following a breakthrough in this border area.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/north-koreans-already-switching-sides/ar-AA1t80cc?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=8760f9d46dff4f8aba28238e797c1e26&ei=32

[Skybird]

North Koreans already switching sides

My understanding of this is that these already switched sides long time ago. These are no members of the troop contingent sent by NK recently, but changed to the Southern side already years ago, or not?. In other words these men are South Koreans who originally stem form North Korea, and then fled the country.

[Jimbuna]

My understanding of this is that these already switched sides long time ago. These are no members of the troop contingent sent by NK recently, but changed to the Southern side already years ago, or not?. In other words these men are South Koreans who originally stem form North Korea, and then fled the country.

Perfectly correct, the article title is misleading :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Russians refuse to advance in Zaporizhzhia region - ATESH

Certain Russian units are increasingly refusing to advance in the Zaporizhzhia region, with such instances becoming more frequent, according to the Telegram channel of the partisan movement ATESH.

According to agents from the partisan movement ATESH, certain squads from the 1440th Motorized Rifle Regiment are refusing to advance in the Zaporizhzhia region. Those who refused have been detained by military police.

"Everyone understands that assaulting the Ukrainian defenses is a one-way street. Such cases are becoming more frequent," the message states.

The ATESH movement noted that, in light of the situation, the Russian command is planning to deploy new units to the specified direction and replace the formations that have retreated with conscripts.

"This is happening against the backdrop of assurances from military-political leadership that conscript soldiers would not participate in the special military operation (SMO)," the partisans report.

Situation in the Zaporizhzhia region

Recently, several Western media outlets reported that Russian forces allegedly planned a major offensive aimed at capturing Zaporizhzhia. The Russian forces have intensified their strikes on the city using guided aerial bombs.

Meanwhile, the DeepState service noted that Russian forces have taken control of the village of Levadne, located near the border of Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk regions. The Ukrainian Armed Forces confirmed the enemy's success in that area.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russians-refuse-to-advance-in-zaporizhzhia-region-atesh/ar-AA1t6fgu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a1c8894bad444a1591e3673a7163ba7d&ei=31

[mapuc]

Russia do have the momentum on the Eastern part of the frontline. With a huge cost of life, some may say-Yes they are losing a lot of soldiers in the war and Putin couldn't care less.

Is there a light at the end of the tunnel for the Ukrainians ? I can't see any for the moment.

Ukraine have been building war factories to produce Tanks, Artillery and ammo, such as shells.

The question is-Is it to late that they have build these factories ?

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Is this what you may call psychological warfare ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlyjheJ4dUI
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Markus

[Jimbuna]

NATO donates 65 ambulances to Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In response to a request for urgent needs, NATO provided 65 ambulances to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

This was reported by the Alliance's representative office in Ukraine, Censor.NET reports.

The vehicles were donated as part of NATO's Comprehensive Assistance Package for Ukraine.

The updated CAP was adopted at the Madrid Summit in 2022. At the Vilnius Summit in July 2023, Allies agreed to transform the CAP into a multi-year programme of NATO support to Ukraine, in line with short-, medium- and long-term needs.

At the 2024 Washington Summit, Allies announced a commitment to long-term security assistance to Ukraine and plan to provide €40 billion in funding over the next year. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3517420

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA4sPED0N08

Markus

[Skybird]

The question is-Is it to late that they have build these factories ?
The question is also where the electricity for these is coming from. That they build production sites does not mean that these produce at 100% - or at all. I expect that their factories produce only at a fracton of their designed capacities.


Edit
Is this what you may call psychological warfare ?
Psychological warfare is what Russia does in Cherson. They cannot take the city currently, so they haunt it with thousands and thousands of smallest drones and individually and intentionally kill every civilian they can find, men and women, boys and girls, old and young, everybody, depopulating the city by a city-wide man hunt and individual assassination and demoralizing the survivors. They hunt and kill civilians completely indiscriminately.

Russia also has given orders to no longer take prisoners. Shooting Ukrianian soldiers who surrendered or were captured is no random event at some places - its a general order across all the front. I think they did this in order to signal to their own soldiers: you have no chance get exchanged if you accept being taken prisoner or surrender, you better fight to your death: if they capture you, they will kill you in revenge. Mind you, the Russians also threaten their troops to shoot them if they pull back. And they do it, its no empty threat. Good ol' second world war, nothing has changed with the Russians.

[mapuc]

Within the next 2-3 years from now we may expect the collapse of the Russian economy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cMbe-KC7V4

Markus

[Dargo]

The question is also where the electricity for these is coming from. That they build production sites does not mean that these produce at 100% - or at all. I expect that their factories produce only at a fracton of their designed capacities. The Transmission System Operators of Continental Europe will increase their export capacity to Ukraine and Moldova by 400 megawatts (MW) to 2.1 gigawatts (GW) starting Dec. 1

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2UIoeVTDyo

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eAY2Om1LGo

[Jimbuna]

We have not yet received promised number of air defense systems from NATO countries, - Zelenskyy

Ukraine has not yet received 6-7 air defense systems to protect the sky, which NATO countries promised to transfer to Ukraine during the summer summit of the Alliance.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said this in an interview with representatives of the leading media of the Nordic countries, Censor.NET reports.

He recalled that on the eve of the summit in Washington in July, NATO countries said they were not ready to see Ukraine in the Alliance while a full-scale war was ongoing. Instead, they suggested strengthening air defense.

"They said they were not ready to take more decisive steps in this direction. But they are ready to give us, for example, six or seven specific systems that will protect our skies," Zelenskyy said.

The Head of State noted that it was impossible to compare these two things - an invitation to NATO and strengthening air defense, but Ukraine agreed to the offer.

The President emphasized that air defense systems are critically important for Ukraine and it would be a risk to lose this opportunity.

According to Zelenskyy, Ukraine and its partners had agreed to deliver the systems by September 1, but as of October 30, this number of systems had not been delivered.

He emphasized that Ukraine was counting on this assistance on the eve of the third winter with power outages and other "tests."

"If we have not received this yet, we cannot count on this great support for the air defense system during the heating season, which has already begun," Zelenskyy added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3517556

[mapuc]

What on earth is Putin doing?

That is the question one is left with after the renowned Institute for the Study of War (ISW) has assessed that the Russian economy will overheat and reach a point where it 'burns out'.

The think tank thus assesses in its latest analysis that Putin may be forced to find a new way to obtain resources for his war, for example via mobilization, or instead change the way of waging war in Ukraine.

Ekstra Bladet has asked senior researcher at DIIS Flemming Splidsboel what he thinks Putin will do.

- He will tend to wage war in a less expensive way, but that will make it more difficult to hold on to territory. In the Russian narrative, there are Ukrainians on Russian territory in Eastern Ukraine.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/putin-er-presset-hvad-goer-han/10418189?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCh5F_zVedw

[Catfish]

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/putin-er-presset-hvad-goer-han/10418189?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

"In the Russian narrative, there are Ukrainians on Russian territory in Eastern Ukraine."

The "russsian narrative" is only Putin's fantasy and has nothing to do with reality, not even with what the russians think.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMpqshst-_Y

Markus

[Dargo]

Nordic countries to finance arms purchases from Ukrainian manufacturersAll Nordic countries have confirmed their readiness to finance the purchase of weapons from Ukrainian manufacturers. Herman Smetanin, Ukraine’s Minister of Strategic Industries, said the funding will be based on the Danish model. In particular, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland have confirmed their readiness to provide funding. Ukrainian manufacturers have increased their production capacity and are producing weapons that remain in warehouses and do not reach the Defense Forces due to a lack of state funds for their purchase. “I remember exactly one year ago, in October 2023, when we first realised that we were able to produce more than we had the funds to buy. And we started thinking with our team about how to fund it all,” Herman Smetanin shared. Ukraine is capable of producing and implementing more projects that would help the country in the war, but the only pressing issue is funding... https://mil.in.ua/en/news/nordic-countries-to-finance-arms-purchases-from-ukrainian-manufacturers/

[mapuc]

Nordic countries to finance arms purchases from Ukrainian manufacturersAll Nordic countries have confirmed their readiness to finance the purchase of weapons from Ukrainian manufacturers. Herman Smetanin, Ukraine’s Minister of Strategic Industries, said the funding will be based on the Danish model. In particular, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland have confirmed their readiness to provide funding. Ukrainian manufacturers have increased their production capacity and are producing weapons that remain in warehouses and do not reach the Defense Forces due to a lack of state funds for their purchase. “I remember exactly one year ago, in October 2023, when we first realised that we were able to produce more than we had the funds to buy. And we started thinking with our team about how to fund it all,” Herman Smetanin shared. Ukraine is capable of producing and implementing more projects that would help the country in the war, but the only pressing issue is funding... https://mil.in.ua/en/news/nordic-countries-to-finance-arms-purchases-from-ukrainian-manufacturers/

This is good news indeed-They need all the weapons, ammos and boots on the ground and in the air. The Ukrainians are under pressure(Watch my latest video)

Markus

[Skybird]

Russian troops are now standing less than 6km before Pokrovsk, constantly advancing. The last village south of the town has been taken.



Behind Pokrovsk - there is practically nothing in hardened defence lines anymore. Pokrovsk marks a stronghold in the last defence line. Its like a headstone in a stone arch. Take that headstone out, and dont be surprised by what the arch then does.

The Transmission System Operators of Continental Europe will increase their export capacity to Ukraine and Moldova by 400 megawatts (MW) to 2.1 gigawatts (GW) starting Dec. 1
Ukraine had an installed powerplant capacity of 59 GW before the war, needing 22 GW for itself, exporting the rest.

85% of the former capacity for - suzmmarized - energy production and heating has been destroyed (beyond repair). 95% of all thermal powerplants have been destroyed (beyond repair).

Now do the math and see how far you get with those EU power donations. :03: Not very far. This will become the by far coldest and

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gmmBOSr-ag

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbM9oG9Vys8

[Skybird]

News from the Google-Russian war. Russia fines Google $20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/31/tech/google-fines-russia/index.html


[CNN] Google reportedly owes the Kremlin more than 2 undecillion rubles — a 2 followed by 36 zeroes — after refusing to pay fines that are now accruing for blocking pro-Russian channels on YouTube.

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With or without inflation compensation...? :88)

[Jimbuna]

Russia Eats Away At Territory, And Ukrainian Morale

Progress has been slow but it is relentless. Russia's army has been advancing at several points along the Ukrainian war front for weeks now, gobbling up territory one village at a time.

It has cast doubt over Kyiv's ability to stem the tide, let alone push back the advancing troops.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's army has taken 478 square kilometres of territory since the start of October -- its largest monthly territorial gain since the early weeks of its invasion in February 2022, according to AFP analysis of data from the US Institute for the Study of War (ISW).

"Russia has been on the offensive for an entire year," said Meduza, a Russian opposition website that has been blocked by Moscow.

"Yet this past week has been one of the toughest -- if not the toughest -- for Ukraine's armed forces during that time," it added.

The ISW data does not point to Ukrainian military collapse in any way, "but what is the most concerning is that it's a pattern", said former French army colonel Michel Goya, a war historian.

"We have seen an acceleration in this progression, with the feeling that it cannot be stopped," he added, describing a "Russian strategy of pressure everywhere, all the time, while waiting for (the defence) to crack, crumble or collapse."

Almost every day, Moscow claims a new victory.

"None of the locations, on their own, have any great importance, but together it represents a great success for the Russian army," said Alexander Khramchikhin, a Moscow-based Russian military analyst.

"The Russian advance, even though not rapid, shows the increasing deterioration (of the situation) in Ukraine."

Since the start of the war, Moscow has maintained artillery superiority.

Despite Western sanctions, Russia has turned its economy into a war machine, with support from allies, headed by Iran and North Korea.

"The Russian war industry produces more weapons than Ukraine receives," said Khramchikhin, and "more ammunition thanks to its industry and that of North Korea".

At the start of this year, a US Congress freeze on a multi-billion-dollar aid package significantly slowed the supply of weapons to Ukraine, "while three million North Korean shells arrived in Russian depots", said Goya.

And Moscow developed a guidance system for bombs, which it uses "by the thousands", he said, adding that some 1,600 North Korean KN-02 ballistic missiles had pummelled Ukraine.

Rather than capturing towns district by district, the Russian army has gone for a suffocation tactic.

"The principle is to threaten to surround the pockets that are then forced to retreat," said Goya.

For Alexander Kots, a war journalist for the popular Russian daily Komsomolskaya Pravda and strong supporter of the invasion, "we refused to storm towns and villages head on, where we would have to eat up every square metre of road, every house."

As such, Ukrainian forces "can be forced to withdraw along a long corridor that is open to fire."

Gradually, the Russian advance has eaten away at Ukrainian morale. Kyiv is struggling to recruit, while the army's disorganisation and corruption facilitate desertions and refusals to fight.

"Beating an enemy is killing their hope. When the sacrifice of those who die is for nothing, there is no sense in fighting on," said Goya.

"The (President Volodymyr) Zelensky government, faced with the war weariness of the civilian population, is struggling to mobilise," said a French military leader on the condition of anonymity.

On Tuesday, Kyiv announced a new mobilisation drive aimed at recruiting 160,000 people, faced with the fear of Russia deploying North Korean troops, in order to boost numbers by 85 percent.

On the flip side, Russia is suffering heavy losses, experts say.

Ivan Klyszcz, from the International Centre for Defence and Security (ICDS) in Estonia, said that at the current rate, Russia "would finish capturing the rest of the Donbas region of Ukraine after several months and at an extremely high cost."

In the meantime, the West is procrastinating.

Zelensky's "victory plan", which was supposed to put him in a position of strength to negotiate, has divided allies, while the US presidential elections in November have created uncertainty.

"It seems that Ukraine will soon realise that it needs a change of course, and that relying on Western partners... will become a counter-productive strategy in the near future," said Klyszcz.

However, the deployment of North Korean troops could provoke a sense of urgency in the West.

But "whether this urgency will translate into new pledges or enhanced support, is yet to be seen," added Klyszcz.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-eats-away-at-territory-and-ukrainian-morale/ar-AA1tf38E?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a9ea5b60fce34fa692a11a41deb4d249&ei=47

[Dargo]

Russian troops are now standing less than 6km before Pokrovsk, constantly advancing. The last village south of the town has been taken.



Behind Pokrovsk - there is practically nothing in hardened defence lines anymore. Pokrovsk marks a stronghold in the last defence line. Its like a headstone in a stone arch. Take that headstone out, and dont be surprised by what the arch then does.


Ukraine had an installed powerplant capacity of 59 GW before the war, needing 22 GW for itself, exporting the rest.

85% of the former capacity for - suzmmarized - energy production and heating has been destroyed (beyond repair). 95% of all thermal powerplants have been destroyed (beyond repair).

Now do the math and see how far you get with those EU power donations. :03: Not very far. This will become the by far coldest andI did the math. Nuclear power is the most used source for electricity production in Ukraine. In 2023, approximately 62 percent of the country's electricity generation was derived from this source I did not see russia bomb nuclear power stations. Coal made up the second-largest share, at 15 percent. Meanwhile, renewable sources accounted for less than 15 percent of the power output. Ukraine heating is based on Soviet central heating Ukraine now get a more decentralized heating system perfect in my view ok they maybe getting it cold this winter can not always use electricy but in your pestimitic view underestemate Ukraine people they are not like us they do not stamp their feets everytime something goes FUBAR like we in the West this people survived Stalin, Holodomor, WWII and died on the street in 2014 they will survive this winter like they did the winters of 2022-2023 and 2023-2024. With ongoing repairs funded by the EU, the US and partners, Ukraine aims to restore about 4-5 GW of power generation by winter. To reduce the electricity shortfall, Ukraine also needs to import more from the EU. The EU increase Ukraine’s import capacity to 2.2 GW. In addition, the transfer to Ukraine of a 3600 MW entire power plant from Lithuania and of a 200MW gas turbine from Estonia are currently underway to ensure the replacement of much of the energy missing after Russia’s destruction in spring..

[Skybird]

Ukrainian administrators say they see powercuts lasting 18-22 hours per day. And winter has not even begun.

When around 90% of the pre-war installed electricity production capacity of 59 GW has gone, then it means that 5.9 GW are left, with the pre-war demand of Ukraine having been numbered at 22 GW, which means you are left with just a quarter of that demand now covered - and that goes predominantly into the production, hence the civilian blackouts and powercuts.

That Ukrainian nuclear powerplants may not have been bombed by Russian does not mean they produce, but they must be disconnected from the grid and turned into waiting mode for security concerns if they or their secondary external powersupplies are at risk - if the xernal powersupply for cooling systems is being threatened, that means. You dont want another Chernobyl there due to cooling systems not operative.

By the end of the day you can try to be as optimistic as long as you want, it leads you not to the desired reality. 95% of thermal powerplants destroyed. Minimum 18 hours per day power gets cut. 85% of combined electricity/heating destroyed. Arguing this is just an academic pastimes.

And the situation at the combat lines are not any better. Ukraine must fall back, practically EVERYWHERE where the Russians set up pressure, which is all frontline in Donezk, Donbass. And they keep that pressure up now SINCE MONTHS, which is something that some clever Westerners insist since at least two years they are not capable of sustaining. But they do.

Ukraine looses. That simple the grim truth is. And we do nothing about it, no matter whether that is because we cannot or because we do not want. The result is the same. Ukraine looses.

Time to either flip switches not used so far - or to end the war by stopping any assistance at all and so to force Ukraine to give up. Right now we force Ukraine to fight in a way where it must lose, we just delay the defeat. In the way we "help" now we just uselessly prolongue a war that then kills more people. If we are not willing to do more and do what is needed to enable Ukraine wo win - we should stop doing anything at all and not encourage Ukraine any longer.

The half-things we do right now must stop anyway. All - or nothing at all. I am for the first. Doing they will the latter.

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They are indeed optimistic in their foreseeing the future that for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8jhZuRHf_Q

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGyLZwYQRkg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ3Fexomg3Y

[mapuc]

There are those who refuse to believe that over 600.000 Russian have been killed or wounded in action. They are convince it's the Ukrainians who have lost 600.000 men.

Markus

[Skybird]

The trembling front:

https://www-zeit-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/2024-11/ukraine-lage-donezk-front-russland-vormarsch-mobilmachung-woche?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

(click on "mit Werbung lesen" (left option))

This marks a clear trend, and it worstens constantly: Russian advances in Ukraine - This is how many square kilometers of Ukrainian territory Russia occupied per month last year.

https://i.postimg.cc/1XQJQR69/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)


At the same time the Ukrainian-held territory in Kursk has constantly shrunk. Dramatically. Ukraine attempt agaunst Russias attsempt to retake the terriory, has failed, the loudly proclaimed Ukrianbain "trap" has not worked. Russia now has 50-60 thousand there plus 8-12 thousand North Koreans. When the Ukrainians pull out or get overwhelmed, there is a risk that the Russians suddenly will have sufficient momentum to form a new attack vector and turn their counter-offensive on own soil into an offensive deep into Ukraine from there. As I said earlier, the offensive in Kursk to me was just a desperate gamble anyway, without any real strategic value justifying the risk.



War of attrition. Russia has more reseves and ressources. The West refuses the needed ammounts of help and binds Ukraine's hands on its back. Russia gains new souces of supply, and is superior in own production and possible manpower. Guess who wins the long game.

[Dargo]

The trembling front:

https://www-zeit-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/2024-11/ukraine-lage-donezk-front-russland-vormarsch-mobilmachung-woche?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

(click on "mit Werbung lesen" (left option))

This marks a clear trend, and it worstens constantly: Russian advances in Ukraine - This is how many square kilometers of Ukrainian territory Russia occupied per month last year.

https://i.postimg.cc/1XQJQR69/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)


At the same time the Ukrainian-held territory in Kursk has constantly shrunk. Dramatically. Ukraine attempt agaunst Russias attsempt to retake the terriory, has failed, the loudly proclaimed Ukrianbain "trap" has not worked. Russia now has 50-60 thousand there plus 8-12 thousand North Koreans. When the Ukrainians pull out or get overwhelmed, there is a risk that the Russians suddenly will have sufficient momentum to form a new attack vector and turn their counter-offensive on own soil into an offensive deep into Ukraine from there. As I said earlier, the offensive in Kursk to me was just a desperate gamble anyway, without any real strategic value justifying the risk.



War of attrition. Russia has more reseves and ressources. The West refuses the needed ammounts of help and binds Ukraine's hands on its back. Russia gains new souces of supply, and is superior in own production and possible manpower. Guess who wins the long game.We see the Russians trying to pace a lot. To gain as much ground as possible before winter sets in. Giving up ground also has a strategic purpose. Ukraine has too few troops and cannot afford to fight to the death in every position, trench or bunker. So what they are doing is very controlled, trading terrain for time. They want to use that time to keep the war going for as long as possible. With that, Kyiv hopes that on the Russian side there will also be cracks in logistics, supplies or personnel shortages. And to some extent that seems to work too, why else do you ask for soldiers from a totally different country (Which doesn't make a dent in a pack of butter and also shows that Russia is not so great and has sooooo many resources as you assume it is a sign of weakness.). For now, the issue for Ukraine is to keep up the fight for as long as possible and mobilise more troops (Which will mobilise about, 160000 this year.), until the front will probably come to a virtual standstill soon due to the approaching winter.

[mapuc]

The trembling front:

https://www-zeit-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/2024-11/ukraine-lage-donezk-front-russland-vormarsch-mobilmachung-woche?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

(click on "mit Werbung lesen" (left option))

This marks a clear trend, and it worstens constantly: Russian advances in Ukraine - This is how many square kilometers of Ukrainian territory Russia occupied per month last year.

https://i.postimg.cc/1XQJQR69/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)


At the same time the Ukrainian-held territory in Kursk has constantly shrunk. Dramatically. Ukraine attempt agaunst Russias attsempt to retake the terriory, has failed, the loudly proclaimed Ukrianbain "trap" has not worked. Russia now has 50-60 thousand there plus 8-12 thousand North Koreans. When the Ukrainians pull out or get overwhelmed, there is a risk that the Russians suddenly will have sufficient momentum to form a new attack vector and turn their counter-offensive on own soil into an offensive deep into Ukraine from there. As I said earlier, the offensive in Kursk to me was just a desperate gamble anyway, without any real strategic value justifying the risk.



War of attrition. Russia has more reseves and ressources. The West refuses the needed ammounts of help and binds Ukraine's hands on its back. Russia gains new souces of supply, and is superior in own production and possible manpower. Guess who wins the long game.

I'm convinced that there are lots of talk in the hallway at the NATO headquarter about the supply of men and weapon from NK. What NATO shall do without going to war with Russia. NATO knows the supply is to little and not arriving fast enough. It has to do with our Western government-They have to think on the voters-There are many who is very angry around the fact that their government are sending money, weapon, ammo and aid supply to Ukraine.

Markus

[Dargo]

I'm convinced that there are lots of talk in the hallway at the NATO headquarter about the supply of men and weapon from NK. What NATO shall do without going to war with Russia. NATO knows the supply is to little and not arriving fast enough. It has to do with our Western government-They have to think on the voters-There are many who is very angry around the fact that their government are sending money, weapon, ammo and aid supply to Ukraine.

MarkusAnd with that slow and too few aid, Ukraine could stop and cripple the second oohhh so great Russian army for 3 year yep not 3 days. Russia's military capabilities outnumbered those of Ukraine. For example, the number of aircraft at the disposal of the Russian Army exceeded 4,200, while the Ukrainian Armed Forces possessed 321 aircraft. Russia's naval fleet is 7.5 times larger than Ukraine's (But can not deploy it near Ukraine.).

[mapuc]

And with that slow and too few aid, Ukraine could stop and cripple the second oohhh so great Russian army for 3 year yep not 3 days. Russia's military capabilities outnumbered those of Ukraine. For example, the number of aircraft at the disposal of the Russian Army exceeded 4,200, while the Ukrainian Armed Forces possessed 321 aircraft. Russia's naval fleet is 7.5 times larger than Ukraine's (But can not deploy it near Ukraine.).

In the beginning of the war(2022 invasion) Ukraine had a lot of old soviet weapons which was used in the start of the war and during the first 2 years the Russian left a lot of weapon and ammo when they were fleeing. These weapon is of no use now-And the weapon and ammo they get from the West is much better.

Markus

[Dargo]

In the beginning of the war(2022 invasion) Ukraine had a lot of old soviet weapons which was used in the start of the war and during the first 2 years the Russian left a lot of weapon and ammo when they were fleeing. These weapon is of no use now-And the weapon and ammo they get from the West is much better.

MarkusThey still in majority use the soviet equipment, in particular its upgraded T-64BV Obr. 2017 tanks. Even after losing hundreds of tanks to Russian mines, artillery and drones, the Ukrainians are still generating fresh T-64s. When the Soviet army left Ukraine starting in 1991, it left behind thousands of T-64s—as many as 3,000. The Malyshev Factory upgraded around a thousand of the tanks for ongoing service alongside newer T-72s and T-80s. There is an ongoing supply of seemingly newly-upgraded T-64s to units such as the 150th Mechanized Brigade. On average, Ukraine has lost a hundred T-64s a year for nearly three years. If half the T-64s the Soviets left behind in the 1990s were recoverable, the Ukrainians might be able to repair and upgrade a few hundred more T-64s, enough for several more years of hard fighting. Those hundreds of T-64s Cold War leftovers should continue to give Ukrainian brigades much of their heavy firepower.

The Malyshev Factory produces diesel engines, farm machinery, coal mining, sugar refining, and wind farm equipment, but is best known for its production of Soviet tanks, including the BT tank series of fast tanks, the famous T-34 of the Second World War, the Cold War T-64 and T-80, and their modern Ukrainian successor, the T-84.

[mapuc]

Little Un will send a lot more soldiers to Russia. It's kind of unfair Ukraine has to fight a war against two countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJadmSVxiog

Markus

[Dargo]

Oh, that mighty Russia with those infinite resources but, and, oh typical can F it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJkkRW0A_88

[mapuc]

^ It comes as no big surprise. If you watch my latest video from The Military Show where they mention how Ukraine is using long-range weapons to strike the Russian refineries which makes it hard for Putin to sell and provide oil to his war machine. So Gazprom going bankruptcy isn't a surprise

Markus

[Dargo]

Ukrainian F-16 reportedly shoots down second Russian Su-34Reports from Russian military bloggers and aviation sources suggest that a Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber was downed under mysterious circumstances early this morning. Russian sources close to the Air Force, including well-known aviator Ilya Tumanov, have acknowledged the loss, with messages such as “Eternal memory, brothers!” indicating that the aircraft’s crew did not survive.

This incident marks the second recent loss of a Russian Su-34, following an alleged shootdown by a Ukrainian F-16 on October 12 under similar circumstances. Although there has been no official confirmation or denial from either Russia or Ukraine regarding the nature of today’s incident, some sources are attributing the latest downing to an engagement with a Ukrainian F-16. The reports suggest that Ukrainian fighter jets may be increasingly asserting their presence in contested airspace as the conflict escalates... https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-f-16-reportedly-shoots-down-second-russian-su-34/

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-49mHkJGsp4

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn25Wpcqa-8

[Skybird]

If Russia "acchieves nothing", then Ukraine could freeze the war now, accept its territorial losses since they are nothing, and end the war for the time being by accepting Russia's demands. Lets do it, since Russia has not acchieved anything anyway. :up: :88)


Its propaganda videos, and that fact could even be ignored - if such stuff would not serve a self-assuring purpose in the West to replace needed action and supportive assistance with just emotional cheers. "All is going well. We must not change or add to our doing, Ukraine will win this all by itself."



Nothing is going well. Ukraine loses. Its retreats mostly are not tactical intention but they are enforced by Russian battlefield superiority. Ukraine's defeats are defeats, not clever traps it sets up. For its Kursk adventure it paid a terrible price in Donezk. And I said from beginning on that I was not convinced by the claimed wisdom in it. Kursk is strategically irrelevant for Russia, its just a an itching in its national pride. While Kursk happend, Russia conquered twice a smuch territory in Donezk - and that is very very strategically and economically relevant for Ukraine's war present and industry future.


Nothing is going well. Only a fool cannot see it.


We all, the whole West, fails in this. Ukraine pays the price now. We will pay the price later.

[Jimbuna]

After nearly 1000 days of war, Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals in Ukraine - Austin

Russian dictator Vladimir Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals during the war against Ukraine.

According to Censor.NET, this is stated in a column by US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin for Foreign Affairs.

Austin emphasized that Ukraine is important to US security for obvious reasons: " Putin 's war is a direct threat to European security, a clear challenge to our NATO allies, an assault on our shared values, and a frontal assault on the rules-based international order that keeps us all safe."

"However, after almost 1000 days of war, Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals. The President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy did not run away. Kyiv did not fall. And Ukraine did not surrender.

Instead, Russia has paid a staggering price for Putin's imperial stupidity: hundreds of thousands of Russians have died since February 2022, and more than $200 billion has been wasted," Austin emphasized.

He also notes that according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Russia's losses in the first year of Putin's war alone were greater than its losses in all conflicts after World War II.

"Ukraine has suffered terribly at the hands of Putin. But, as I saw again in Kyiv last week, Ukraine is standing firm - and even stronger. The Ukrainian struggle began with soldiers setting tank traps in the streets of Kyiv and ordinary citizens making Molotov cocktails to defend their homes. It continues today with a battle-tested Ukrainian military and security forces - and a rapidly expanding Ukrainian defense industry. Today, Ukrainian factories are producing some of the best drones in the world, and experienced Ukrainian air defense forces are protecting their troops and families," the US Secretary of Defense added.

In addition, Austin emphasized that "Ukraine's spirit has inspired the world."

"It reminded us all to never take our freedom for granted. We are well aware of the moral gap between the aggressor and the defender. We will not succumb to the deception and lies of the Kremlin's apologists. And we will continue to defend the right of the Ukrainian people to live in safety and freedom," Austin added.

According to him, Putin's attack is a warning: "a demonstration of a world built by tyrants and thugs - a chaotic, violent world divided into spheres of influence; a world where bullies can trample on their smaller neighbors; and a world where aggressors force free people to live in fear."

"So, we stand at a turning point in history. We can continue to stand firm against Putin's aggression - or we can let Putin do whatever he wants and condemn our children and grandchildren to live in a much bloodier and more dangerous world. If Ukraine falls under Putin's boot, the whole of Europe will fall under Putin's shadow," the minister emphasized.

Austin is convinced that it is necessary to confront aggressive Russia, which is supported by other autocrats, from North Korea to Iran.

"Peace does not work by itself. Order will not preserve itself. And the principles of freedom, sovereignty, and human rights are not supported by themselves. That's why US President Joe Biden chose the path of mutual responsibility and shared security. Ukraine does not belong to Putin. Ukraine belongs to the Ukrainian people. And Moscow will never win in Ukraine. Putin thought that Ukraine would surrender. He was wrong. Putin thought that our democracies would give up. He was wrong. Putin thought that the free world would retreat. He was wrong. And Putin thinks he will win. He is wrong," Austin summarized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518086

[mapuc]

How I see it. Russia hasn't archive anything they haven't reached their goal they had put up.

They have the momentum on the Eastern frontline and in Southeast frontline.
Are the Ukrainians withdrawing under control ?

Some claim Ukraine have success in Kursk, while others say they are losing ground. Can't say what's true here.

Ukraine do lack troops. The mercenary and the volunteers are not enough to fill the need for the Ukrainian army. Still they are doing somewhat fine, despite this.

Will the situation turn in the Ukrainian favour ? Some say Winter should give them a golden chance, since the Russian isn't fit for fighting in the winter. Even here I don't know what is right here.

Markus

[Catfish]

The former 10,000 north korean soldiers are now 15,000. A lot of them do not fight in Ukraine, but are in Belarus.
So there will be most probably a second front against Kyev, from the north. Short after the US election would be a perfect date.

[mapuc]

The former 10,000 north korean soldiers are now 15,000. A lot of them do not fight in Ukraine, but are in Belarus.
So there will be most probably a second front against Kyev, from the north. Short after the US election would be a perfect date.

Are they fighting in Ukraine or in Kursk ? It is a huge different

Markus

[Catfish]

^ I cannot know this for sure.
What I know is that north koreans attacking Ukraine from Belarus are a threat.

Maybe time for the west to counter-escalate. Up to now Putin has done what he wants. Not that I expect much, especially after the Putin Trump-Musk team winning the election.

OT on one hand I even wish that the Putin team Trump-Musk 'wins', this will soon weaken the US and thus force some americans to open their eyes, while forcing Europe to engage Russia themselves.
Sometimes it has to get worse before it can become better.

Back to topic: How will we react when (not if!) north korean troops attack Kyiv from Belarus?

[mapuc]

^ I cannot know this for sure.
What I know is that north koreans attacking Ukraine from Belarus are a threat.

Maybe time for the west to counter-escalate. Up to now Putin has done what he wants. Not that I expect much, especially after the Putin Trump-Musk team winning the election.

OT on one hand I even wish that the Putin team Trump-Musk 'wins', this will soon weaken the US and thus force some americans to open their eyes, while forcing Europe to engage Russia themselves.
Sometimes it has to get worse before it can become better.

Back to topic: How will we react when (not if!) north korean troops attack Kyiv from Belarus?

With strong words nothing else when Belarusian and North Korean attack Ukraine from north.

Markus

[Skybird]

After nearly 1000 days of war, Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals in Ukraine - Austin
Bla bla bla.

[Skybird]

Some claim Ukraine have success in Kursk, while others say they are losing ground. Can't say what's true here.

September 10th:
https://i.postimg.cc/MTyZffdM/Unbekannt-3.png (https://postimages.org/)



September 20th:
https://i.postimg.cc/PJXHL3C9/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)



Novembre 2nd:
https://i.postimg.cc/L5KTvwtQ/Unbenannt2.png (https://postimages.org/)


Also, Ukrainian losses. we dont know for sure how high they are, but witnesses in the field told reporters anecdotes and say they were very high on Russian side, but also on Ukrainian side. And for what...??? They wnated to distract Russian forces in Donezk, but this gamble has failed, Russia not only did not shift forces to the extend Ukriane hoped they would, but Russia has reinforced Kursk AND mounted more pressure on Donezk and increased the pace at which it takes territory in Donezk and Donbass - now taking new groudn faster than ever before, I posted an illustration some posts agao.

Whatever the Ukrainians had on mind in their despair - their Kursk plan has failed. Now there they sit in the middle of nowhere with territory that has no tactical or strategical or political value, and take high losses. No wonder that they changed language and pave the way for pulling out from there. We have as German proverb for such a mess: "Außer Spesen nichts gewesen."

Even worse, as Catfish pointed out, the region could, if Russia drives them out by force or follows their retreat in hot pursuit, become the launch pad for a drive deep into Ukraine and threatening the whole Sumy oblast, who knows what could develope from that. Ukraine has practically no strong mobile reserves anymore to react to that in force. Their plan to recruit another 160,000 will not show effects until months away. If they can realise it, that is.

[mapuc]

^ Thank you-Well these maps are truly showing Ukraine is losing grounds in Kursk.

Markus

[vanjast]

"After nearly 1000 days of war, Putin has not achieved any of his strategic goals in Ukraine - Austin"

So naive.. The goal of Uki and now IsRaEl is to distract you from the real action.
The Uki and IsRaEl goals were achieved long before these battles began.. what you're seeing/have seen are movie shows, some real , 90% CGI (made up)

OMG.. so many gullible idiots we see.
Don't delete this my post, as it is needed as proof in about 5 years time. :up::arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

DPRK troops in war against Ukraine will almost certainly face difficulties of interoperability with Russian forces, - British intelligence

About 10,000 North Korean military personnel are in Russia. It is almost certain that some of them have already been deployed to the Kursk region. However, they are likely to face a number of difficulties, including interoperability with Russian forces.

This is stated in the intelligence report of the UK Ministry of Defense, Censor.NET reports.

As noted, Russia and the DPRK have committed to deepening their bilateral partnership through the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Agreement, which contains provisions for mutual defense.

"For Russia, military support for the DPRK in its war against Ukraine was likely the main driving force behind the partnership, and until now it has been centered around supplying weapons to North Korea. Instead, the DPRK received high-level international support from Russia and found a trading partner willing to violate sanctions," the report says.

British intelligence notes that the forces of the Russian Federation and the DPRK will almost certainly face interoperability difficulties, as they have not previously conducted joint military exercises.

"DPRK troops participating in combat operations will almost certainly have problems using Russian equipment, integrating into the Russian command and control structure, and overcoming the language barrier with Russian troops," the intelligence added.

Participation of DPRK troops in Russia's war against Ukraine
Earlier, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte confirmed Russia's involvement of North Korean soldiers in the war against Ukraine.

On October 25, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that, according to intelligence, the first North Korean military would be used by Russia in combat zones on October 27-28.

On October 28, the Pentagon announced that the DPRK had sent about 10,000 of its military to Russia for training and further participation in hostilities against Ukraine, which would take place over the next "few weeks."

The Pentagon said that Ukrainian troops could use the American weapons provided to them against the North Korean military if the DPRK enters the war against Ukraine on the side of Russia.

Pentagon spokesman Pat Ryder said that approximately several thousand North Korean soldiers have already deployed to the Kursk region of Russia. A smaller number of them are already in the Kursk region. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518176

[Jimbuna]

In case of Trump’s return to power in USA, "Europe will not be able to remain pro-war" - Orban

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said that if Donald Trump wins the US election, Europe will not be able to "remain pro-war" in the future.

This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to Telex.

As noted, in the context of the US elections, Orban said that by the end of the year there will be different conditions in the world, that "peaceful" forces will be in the majority, and this change will occur with the victory of Donald Trump.

Regarding the Russian-Ukrainian war, he said that if Trump returns to power,"Europe will not be able to remain pro-war," and will not be able to bear the burden of the war it was "irresponsibly dragged into" on its own.

"We will also have to adapt to the situation," he added.

Earlier, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said that if Donald Trump wins the US election, he will immediately take the initiative to diplomatically resolve the Russian-Ukrainian war. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518180

[Dargo]

^ Thank you-Well these maps are truly showing Ukraine is losing grounds in Kursk.

MarkusGiving up ground has a strategic purpose. Ukraine has too few troops and cannot afford to fight to the death in every position, trench or bunker. So what they are doing is very controlled, trading terrain for time. They want to use that time to keep the war going for as long as possible. Ukraine does not hold position for the sake of holding positions it trades them for meat, in the last months more than +8000 Russians and a lot of equipment were lost in Kursk alone. Like they have in the Donbas postponed their timetable to conquer these regions meaning they lose again those staggering numbers of men and equipment. And do not come they have enough, they have not, that is why they import the majority of ammunition from North Korea with meat to feed the grinder. The ratio of shells has dropped from 10:1 to 3:1 on the fronts.

[Skybird]

https://static.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/captain-jean-luc-picard-facepalm-1-fc80008000ffff_1600x1200.jpg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk-4gq9wqfk

[Dargo]

Stopping Ukraine aid would cost Berlin 10-20 times more than current support, think tank saysKiel InstituteÂ’s research shows German economy would suffer 1-2% GDP loss annually, compared to current 0.1% GDP assistance, due to increased defense spending and refugees. A new analysis by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy suggests that stopping military aid to Ukraine would cost GermanyÂ’s economy “significantly more” than maintaining current support levels. The researchers estimate that ending support would lead to substantially higher costs for Germany through three main channels: increased military spending, additional refugee influx, and loss of trade and investment with Ukraine... https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/11/03/stopping-ukraine-aid-would-cost-berlin-10-20-times-more-than-current-support-think-tank-says/ Was kostet es, die Ukraine nicht zu unterstützen?
(https://www.ifw-kiel.de/fileadmin/Dateiverwaltung/IfW-Publications/fis-import/92541751-97c2-4c8f-9067-730998a3fa07-KPB_179_DE.pdf)
https://static.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/captain-jean-luc-picard-facepalm-1-fc80008000ffff_1600x1200.jpgYou can facepalm, but this is Ukraine strategy they saved more than they would in an offensive strategy I know you can not grasp the idea of this because you believe more in a strategy of a neutral country that has not been in a war since 1945. This strategy is based on real military doctrine that proven itself for centuries and is the only strategy that under the current criteria sustain Ukraine army to defend themselves. All said why keep defending Bakhmut, why keep defending Avdiivka and/or why keep defending... because they lose so many for a town/city now Ukraine changed that strategy you throw facepalms how swell much knowledge really courageous.

[Catfish]

^ I guess Skybirs's facepalm post was directed at Jim's post about Orban:
"In case of Trump’s return to power in USA, "Europe will not be able to remain pro-war" - Orban".
Orban can go to hell. Filling the pockets and those of his family with foreign money intended to help Hungary's people is one of the worst cases of nepotism ever seen in Europe.

[mapuc]

Are we seeing a controlled withdrawal by the Ukrainians or is it a hasty retreat we see ?
And
Do they make the Russians pay for each meter they take ?

Markus

[Dargo]

Are we seeing a controlled withdrawal by the Ukrainians or is it a hasty retreat we see ?
And
Do they make the Russians pay for each meter they take ?

MarkusMostly controlled, sure in certain situation they realize they had to withdraw earlier in war not everything goes according perfection what we see from visible checked sources Russia pays. And Ukraine figures are not so off.

[mapuc]

A task who has to be done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McKPKzWWbzA

Markus

[Skybird]

Stopping Ukraine aid would cost Berlin 10-20 times more than current support, think tank says
Kiel Institute’s research shows German economy would suffer 1-2% GDP loss annually, compared to current 0.1% GDP assistance, due to increased defense spending and refugees. A new analysis by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy suggests that stopping military aid to Ukraine would cost Germany’s economy “significantly more” than maintaining current support levels. The researchers estimate that ending support would lead to substantially higher costs for Germany through three main channels: increased military spending, additional refugee influx, and loss of trade and investment with Ukraine... https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/11/03/stopping-ukraine-aid-would-cost-berlin-10-20-times-more-than-current-support-think-tank-says/ Was kostet es, die Ukraine nicht zu unterstützen?
(https://www.ifw-kiel.de/fileadmin/Dateiverwaltung/IfW-Publications/fis-import/92541751-97c2-4c8f-9067-730998a3fa07-KPB_179_DE.pdf)
You can facepalm, but this is Ukraine strategy they saved more than they would in an offensive strategy I know you can not grasp the idea of this because you believe more in a strategy of a neutral country that has not been in a war since 1945. This strategy is based on real military doctrine that proven itself for centuries and is the only strategy that under the current criteria sustain Ukraine army to defend themselves. All said why keep defending Bakhmut, why keep defending Avdiivka and/or why keep defending... because they lose so many for a town/city now Ukraine changed that strategy you throw facepalms how swell much knowledge really courageous.
You must not explain to me these strategems and tactics - I predicted some of them for the time after their first offensive collapsed in the deep layered russian minefields and costed them a decisive ammount of their Western tanks. I predicted they would go into defensive mode, and that we would see tactical fallbacks and straightening of frontlines for better defence.

The point is that you cannot see the difference between the successful implementation of just these things, and the the change when these things started to fail and the plans did not turn out successful anymore. Hence you mistake these previous ideas with the grim reality there now is, and where they cannot hold a line anymore and get pressed back, sometimes under heavy own costs, you still call that "a Ukrainain trap", "a tactical withdrawel", "according to plan".

And the biggest miscalculation of yours: you do not see that the losses of Ukraine may be smaller in total and so the losses they impose on the Russians in total may be higher, but that they are not sufficently higher to give the ukainians a compensation for their own losses und numericla inferiority. They would need MUCH HIGHER KILL RATES. Russia can easier afford its high losses, than the Ukraine can afford its in relation smaller losses (which does not mean they are not high, too). Thats why in this war of attrition Ukraine falls back more and more, and runs out of breath easier and more decisevely than Russia. And thats why Russia accepts any losses of its own to enforce that the war is beign fought as an attrotion war. Because this is where Russia can maximise its advantages.

Pull your head out of the sand. The despair of the ukrainians became obvious when they went into Kursk, it was a desperate attempt to enforce somehow, by miracle and wonder, a change of the way the war was working against them, it was a gamble, and that they took it with all the immense risk involved shows how desperate their situation was already back then. And I wrote that too, at the beginning of the Kursk offensive. Their gamble did not work, they did not get what they wanted, neither did they distract forces from Donezk to a degree that it was felt on the battlefield, nor did the Russians slow down. Quite the opposite: the Ukrainian troops in Kurks ar no longer available for the defence in Donezk and Donbass, and the Russians massively raised their pressure and speed of advance while at the same time pushing back in Kursk and degrading the territorial gains by Ukraine there. Ukraine's attempt to counter that with a second pocket west of the main drive into Kursk also failed. And the assumed idea of that they wanted the land as a trading argument to exchange land for land in negotiations with Putin also failed, since Putin does not want to negotiate. Ukraine now mulls pulling out there, sicne it cannot hold the pressure much longer, and its losses are dramatically mounting. They wasted their reserves for this excursion. They were unable in preservign these forces as active reserves or as a stockpile of troops for the building of future reserves. They suffered losses in material that they cannot afford to lose.

In my thinking, Kursk is not just a failure - its a total DESASTER for Ukraine. Standardizing losses versus what each side can sustain and afford in losses due to its potentials, Ukraine suffered a technical knockout over Kursk. It got nothing, and now stands there with empty hands and gone reserves, the remaining forces additionally exhausted. As a healdine of an article I linked to some day ago put it: the frontline in total is now trembling.

You can twist and turn it any way you want. As things run now: Ukraine loses, and since a long time. And it loses at increasing pace. Maybe Western support will change in the future, though I do not expect it, but if it does, decisevely and not just cosmetically, then we can talk again. But until then, I stick to my assessments.

[Gorpet]

In case of TrumpÂ’s return to power in USA, "Europe will not be able to remain pro-war" - Orban

I think, if Europe want's to continue to support Ukraine,They can without the support of the United States. After all Europe is the United Nations. And the situation will allow all of Europe.To show the rest of the Planet just how strong and cohesive,The European Union and the countries under the Blue Flag and helmets are.Without the support of the United States.And i suspect that is what will happen if Trump wins the election. And it will be a plus for the American taxpayer. And the war if you want it to continue is now on the shoulders of the politicians. Orban is a smart man that, looks for the future of his country and the future of his culture and his people. You gotta respect that.

[QUOTE=Skybird;2931679]You must not explain to me these strategems and tactics - I predicted some of them for the time after their first offensive collapsed in the deep layered russian minef

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL3g1vyUmz4

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEsSNV1LFmk

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeL0_MpG90w

[Catfish]

It looks worse for Ukraine than I thought :hmmm:
(yes Skybird, I know you are posting this since years)

How quickly could Europe be in a position to provide effective assistance, even though it would hardly be able to completely replace US supplies?
"The necessary decisions should have been made two or three years ago. We are experiencing a war of attrition here. Whoever can send more material and more soldiers into the field will win. Our help has so far given Ukraine many advantages, but not a really decisive advantage. If the USA fails, Europe will have to rethink things massively. The production of weapons and ammunition would have to be massively increased. But time is running out because Ukraine is running out of soldiers. Ukraine's population is much smaller than Russia's. That is a massive disadvantage."


Regardless who 'wins' in the US, Colonel Markus Reisner from the Austrian Armed Forces fears that aid from Washington will decrease either way.
The US help for Ukraine already only amounts to 10 percent of the promised (and proudly published) numbers (see article).
But the main problem was and is the numbers of ukrainian soldiers.

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Reisners-Blick-auf-die-Front-Donald-Trump-oder-Kamala-Harris-koennten-beide-Unterstuetzung-fuer-Ukraine-reduzieren-article25336040.html

english:
https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/Reisners-Blick-auf-die-Front-Donald-Trump-oder-Kamala-Harris-koennten-beide-Unterstuetzung-fuer-Ukraine-reduzieren-article25336040.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

What is not in the article is that big parts of the german SPD are still very Russia-friendly, like the whole left movement, Die Linke and Sarah Wagenknecht.
Which is completely idiotic. The Soviet union was never "communist" or left in the meaning of the word, it is and was plain dictatorial. I wonder what the left thinks and interpretes if they are such peace-loving folks. Liars.

Russia has influenced and paid german peace and disarmamant movements for decades, together with supporting terrorist groups like the RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) back then. So chancellor Scholz' "reluctance" in delivering Taurus follows those paths. What does this mean for Germany?
Never thought I'd say this but the old slogan "Wer hat uns verraten, Sozialdemokraten" still seems legit.

[Jimbuna]

National Police employs 75,000 men of mobilization age, 15,000 of whom are already performing combat missions

The National Police of Ukraine currently employs about 70-75 thousand male police officers of mobilization age (25-60 years old). 15 thousand of them are already performing combat missions.

This was announced by the Deputy Head of the National Police Oleksandr Fatsevych, Censor.NET reports citing Ukrinform.

"We, the National Police, have about 70-75 thousand male police officers who may be subject to mobilization by age (25-60 years), of whom more than 15 thousand are already performing combat missions. And all our police officers are certified, wearing shoulder straps, and are booked. But they also perform combat missions," said the deputy head of the National Police.

Fatsevych noted that the National Police has already created new staff units that are directly involved in repelling Russian armed aggression - these are more than 15,000 police officers who perform various combat missions, including covering the state border in the north.

"We have created special units to support the State Border Guard Service and the Defense Forces, the Armed Forces. We are also currently performing tasks directly on one of the most difficult frontline areas - the "Rage" brigade, together with the "Predator" brigade, together with the newly created infantry unit of our KORD. They are performing tasks in the Toretsk direction," Fatsevych said.

According to him, in addition, rifle battalions have been created in each of the Main Directorates of the National Police in the regions. Some of them have already completed training and coordination of various specialists with each other. "Some of them have been sent to the areas of combat missions. And some are completing the coordination," the police representative explained.

Answering a question, the deputy head of the NPU expressed the opinion that everyone who can carry a weapon and wears a uniform should defend the state.

"But there are other tasks and functions. Among these other issues is the issue of safety on the streets. People want this too. We want everyone to call 102 so that a police unit can arrive, so that if an offense is committed, it can be solved," Fatsevych said.

He informed that, in addition, the police have already been given additional functions during martial law, including control over curfew compliance, protection of critical infrastructure, demining, service at checkpoints, evacuation of citizens from settlements, etc.

"And this is a very large number of police officers. And war crimes committed by the Russian Federation are primarily documented by our investigators and our criminal police units. We also have to do the general work of police officers," said the deputy head of the NPU. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518521

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine begins shelling North Korean troops inside Russia, Kyiv official says

Ukraine has begun firing on North Korean troops inside Russia for the first time since they were deployed in the conflict, a Kyiv official said.

They added that Pyongyang's units were struck in the Kursk region of Russia following a deployment that was criticised by the US and Ukraine's other Western allies.

US, South Korean and Ukrainian intelligence assessments say up to 12,000 North Korean combat troops are being sent by Pyongyang to the war under a pact with Moscow.

Andrii Kovalenko, the head of the counter-disinformation branch of Ukraine's Security Council, wrote on Telegram: "The first North Korean troops have already been shelled, in the Kursk region."

He provided no further details.

Western governments had expected that the North Korean soldiers would be sent to Kursk border region in Russia, where a three-month-old incursion by the Ukrainian army is the first occupation of Russian territory since the Second World War and has embarrassed the Kremlin.

The North Korean troops, whose fighting quality and battle experience is unknown, are adding to Ukraine's worsening situation on the battlefield.

Ukrainian defences, especially in the eastern Donetsk region, are buckling under the strain of Russia's nearly 1,000-day-long war

Russian advances have recently accelerated, with battlefield gains of up to 9kms (5.5miles) in some parts of Donetsk, the British Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on Tuesday on X, formerly Twitter.

It said Russia has superior troop numbers, and despite heavy casualties the Kremlin's recruitment drive is providing enough new troops to keep up the pressure.

Russia has held the battlefield initiative in Ukraine for the past year. Ukrainian officials have long complained that Western military support takes too long to arrive in the country.

In early October, Russian forces drove Ukrainian troops out of Vuhledar, a town perched on top of a tactically significant hill in eastern Ukraine.

It was part of a key belt of Ukrainian defences in the east. Russia's next targets are likely to be the key logistics hub of Pokrovsk and the strategically important city of Chasiv Yar.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-begins-shelling-north-korean-troops-inside-russia-kyiv-official-says-13248758

[Jimbuna]

Swedish Prime Minister Kristersson on Trump’s victory: There are risks of support decrease for Ukraine

Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said that there is a risk of a decrease in US support for Ukraine after Donald Trump's victory in the presidential election.

According to Censor.NET, this was reported by SVT.

It is noted that Kristersson congratulated Trump on his victory, but noted that he could not help but notice disturbing trends, in particular the acute polarization in American society.

He also pointed out the risk of strengthening US protectionist policies after Trump's return, which would have consequences for Sweden.

In addition, according to Kristersson, there are risks for Ukraine after Trump's victory.

"Another risk is a reduction in commitments to Ukraine. It is worth noting that the United States is currently providing Ukraine with the largest military assistance. We appreciate it, we are grateful for it, and we do not take it for granted. We will do our best to emphasize our commitment to maintaining our transatlantic commitments," the Swedish Prime Minister added.

At the same time, he noted that he did not want to rush into assessments.

"We have been preparing for different scenarios, different developments for a long time, and we are well prepared for this," Kristersson said.

It should be recalled that according to the preliminary results of the US election, Trump gained 277 votes and won.

European leaders and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte congratulated Donald Trump on his victory in the US presidential election.

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy was also one of the first to congratulate Trump. According to Zelenskyy, Ukraine is looking forward to "an era of strong United States of America under the decisive leadership of President Trump."

Other Ukrainian politicians also expressed their congratulations and their thoughts on Trump's election victory and expectations of such a result.

The Russian Foreign Ministry also commented on Trump's victory, saying that it would work with the new administration, but "firmly defending" its interests. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518657

[Dargo]

With Harris there was no certainty that it would be increased or maintained either.

[Jimbuna]

True and whoever might of won the end of aid for Ukraine was probably inevitable unless Europe can step up to the plate and up their game.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDX743djxL8

[Dargo]

Less than 10% of US promised military aid has arrived in Ukraine (Ukraine has received only 10% of latest approved aid from US (https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-has-received-only-10-latest-approved-aid-us-zelenskiy-says-2024-10-30/)), that is how Biden helped. Trump promise to end the war is smashed by the Kremlin, they feel they can take Kyiv it's silent in the Kremlin after this election they do not want to stop. Do not think trump want that Russia takes Kyiv, so interested to see how trump will solve this in the years to come.

[Catfish]

^ Easy, he will end the war within one day he said. Just not which century :D

Seriously? Maybe a proposal to Russia to keep Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk including the areas not yet conquered by Russia in exchange for a "peace" that lasts for a decade, if at all. Then Russia will be back in force for the baltic, and Poland.

May well be that things turn out completely differently of course, like Putin outright rejecting any proposal. Russia's non-reaction shows despise, the election not even mentioned in russian newspapers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-us-ties-low-russia-is-open-dialogue-after-trump-declares-victory-2024-11-06/

[Dargo]

Who gave the go ahead for the U.S. military aid approved by Congress earlier this year? Trump and he also said it is important for U.S. security that Ukraine does not lose this war. Yeah, he said this or that bla bla bla but this how he is Trump is a narcissist, but that is good for Ukraine he will never with his bigly ego permit Putin wins this Trump is better, greater, huge than those midgets in Russia it is MAGA not MRGA. You really think he wants to see this loss be bigger as Biden's retreat from Afghanistan?

[Dargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9s4YoqcCjw

[August]

^ Easy, he will end the war within one day he said. Just not which century :D

Seriously? Maybe a proposal to Russia to keep Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk including the areas not yet conquered by Russia in exchange for a "peace" that lasts for a decade, if at all. Then Russia will be back in force for the baltic, and Poland.

May well be that things turn out completely differently of course, like Putin outright rejecting any proposal. Russia's non-reaction shows despise, the election not even mentioned in russian newspapers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-us-ties-low-russia-is-open-dialogue-after-trump-declares-victory-2024-11-06/


How's about a Trump threat to give Ukraine the weapons it needs to actually win instead of the German plan to keep them slowly loosing? That might just give Putin a reason to come to the negotiating table doncha think?

[Catfish]

How's about a Trump threat to give Ukraine the weapons it needs to actually win instead of the German plan to keep them slowly loosing? That might just give Putin a reason to come to the negotiating table doncha think?
Do you think there is any probability to the latter, with Trump?

" [...] instead of the German plan to keep them slowly loosing" ?
Germany gives most of help in Europe, to Ukraine:
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

"Boiling the frog" is also a theme in the US. They say that of the announced US help, it was around 10 percent that reached Ukraine. Why does the US not allow Germany to give Taurus missiles to Ukraine?

[Skybird]

Washington may not like Taurus being handed over, but is in no position to really "not allow it". Bubble Olaf is a little coward, thats all. From day one on he acted like a hypnotized rabbit before the cobra. All decisions he made in favour of weapon deliveries were decisions to which he had to be carried in a sedan chair, and even then only if Biden went first and left him no other choice if he didn't want to look stupid and alone.

[Gorpet]

Ukraine begins shelling North Korean troops inside Russia, Kyiv official says

Oh my, Where is sun tzu, If you want battle hardened troops, you have to send them into battle.

Who gave the go ahead for the U.S. military aid approved by Congress earlier this year? Trump and he also said it is important for U.S. security that Ukraine does not lose this war. Yeah, he said this or that bla bla bla but this how he is Trump is a narcissist, but that is good for Ukraine he will never with his bigly ego permit Putin wins this Trump is better, greater, huge than those midgets in Russia it is MAGA not MRGA. You really think he wants to see this loss be bigger as Biden's retreat from Afghanistan?

Have you,Got an American weed card ? The Democrats take every tax dollar, if you have a job and paid into tax. Guess where it goes ?To the Ukraine war.

So if we were to chase every dollar back. We would find you as a contributor right? Ya you never thought ab

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTRJRYjeXgw

[Jimbuna]

DPRK is now, in fact, waging war in Europe, - Zelenskyy


President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has warned partners against making concessions to Russia.

According to Censor.NET, he said this in an address to the summit of the European Political Community in Budapest.

"We face many challenges. Since our last meeting in this format, there has been a significant escalation of the Russian war. And it was Russia that caused this escalation. North Korea is now, in fact, waging war in Europe. North Korean soldiers are trying to kill our people on European soil," the president said.

Zelenskyy said that since the July summit of the European Political Community in Britain, there has been a lot of talk about the need to give in to Putin, to retreat, to make some "concessions."

"And some of those present here strongly advocated that Ukraine should make "concessions" to Putin. This is unacceptable for Ukraine and suicidal for the whole of Europe. So what's next? Should Europe seek Kim Jong-un's favor in the hope that he will also leave Europe alone? No strong leader who has built a united, strong and peaceful Europe could even imagine that," he added.

Participation of DPRK troops in Russia's war against Ukraine
Earlier, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte confirmed that Russia was using North Korean soldiers in the war against Ukraine.

On 25 October, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that, according to intelligence, the first North Korean military would be used by Russia in combat zones on 27-28 October.

On 28 October, the Pentagon said that the DPRK had sent about 10,000 of its military to Russia for training and further participation in hostilities against Ukraine, which would take place in the "next few weeks".

The Pentagon said that Ukrainian troops could use the US weapons provided to them against the North Korean military if the DPRK enters the war against Ukraine on the side of Russia.

Pentagon spokesman Pat Ryder said that approximately several thousand North Korean soldiers have already deployed to the Kursk region in Russia. A smaller number of them are already in the Kursk region.

On November 5, Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umierov confirms the first clashes between the Ukrainian Defense Forces and DPRK troops. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518821

We need weapons, not support in negotiations. Hugs with Putin won’t help - Zelenskyy

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called on European partners to increase pressure on Russia.

The head of state said this in an address to the summit of the European Political Community in Budapest, Censor.NET reports.

"I thank everyone for supporting Ukraine and our people. We are defending ourselves not from Russian words, but from Russian attacks. Therefore, we need enough weapons, not support in negotiations. Hugs with Putin will not help. Some of you have been hugging him for 20 years, and things are only getting worse. He thinks only of wars and will not change. Only pressure can deter him," the president emphasized.

According to Zelenskyy, a clear diplomatic system has already been built that can push Russia to a just peace.

"Most of the countries represented here have joined this work for the sake of effective diplomacy. Each point of the Peace Formula has already been discussed at the thematic conferences. Nuclear security, food security, energy, the return of prisoners and deportees to Ukraine, and full compliance with international law, and much more. We need to push Russia to do this. And a just peace will be our common victory. The victory plan is on your table. So Ukraine was the first to propose to change our common strategy to achieve a just peace as soon as possible," he said.

The President noted that Ukraine was open to any constructive ideas to achieve a just peace.

"But it is Ukraine that should decide what should and should not be on the agenda to end this war," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3518819

[Dargo]

One of Trump’s key elections promises was to increase domestic oil production in the US and thus reduce oil prices to about $40 a barrel. According to his senior campaign aide Jason Miller, this would be one of the incoming President’s first priorities once in office. Russia, which is still dependent on its oil and gas exports to fill its massive military budget, could be hit hard by such a drop in prices. Oil prices and futures began to trend lower on the market, Reuters reported. This signifies that investors take Trump’s intentions seriously. Energy Intelligence projects that by May 2025, the price could reach $50 a barrel. This would hurt major oil exporters Russia and Iran among them, as they won’t be able to sell their oil at relatively higher prices, as they did before. Russian elites are rightfully worried about what Trump’s presidency will do to their economy, already fragile because of the sanctions.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuU4TdJoXBA

[Skybird]

The one day/day one special operation.


https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/trump-friedensplan-ukraine-krieg-us-wahl-putin-kreml-selenskyj-kiew-medwedew-peskow-us-wahl-pompeo-zr-93400057.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCx9rb2AX-M

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEZrmckt2n4

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwSea0Rpjk

[Otto Harkaman]

The U.S. Proxy War in Ukraine: A Strategic Analysis
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the United States has played a crucial role in providing military, economic, and diplomatic support to Ukraine. This conflict, often referred to as a “proxy war,” is seen by some analysts as a part of a broader U.S. strategy to counter Russia’s global influence. This perspective, however, is not without controversy. Supporters argue that the U.S. involvement reflects a commitment to defending sovereignty and democratic ideals, while critics contend that the proxy war risks escalating into a larger, potentially nuclear, confrontation.

Understanding the Proxy War Perspective
A proxy war occurs when a major power indirectly engages in a conflict, typically by providing support to one side rather than deploying its own forces. In Ukraine, while the U.S. does not have active military personnel on the ground, it has supplied billions of dollars in weapons, training, and intelligence to aid Ukrainian forces. This situation allows the U.S. to counter Russian aggression without engaging in direct combat, avoiding the risk of a full-blown confrontation with Russia.

This proxy approach has multiple objectives:
1. Limiting Russian Expansion: The U.S. has long sought to prevent Russia from exerting control over former Soviet territories. Supporting Ukraine aligns with this strategy, as Russia’s failure to subdue Ukraine weakens its regional influence.
2. Strengthening NATO and Transatlantic Alliances: By reinforcing support for Ukraine, the U.S. sends a message of unity within NATO, deterring Russian advances into NATO member countries and bolstering the collective security agreement.
3. Draining Russian Resources: Engaging Russia in a prolonged conflict weakens it economically and militarily, diminishing its power on the global stage.The Role of Military Aid and Sanctions
The scale of U.S. assistance to Ukraine is unprecedented. The Biden administration and Congress have committed over $100 billion in military, humanitarian, and economic aid to Ukraine since the war began. Advanced weaponry—including HIMARS rocket systems, artillery, drones, and other equipment—has provided Ukrainian forces with a technological edge, enabling them to resist Russian advances effectively. This support, coupled with intelligence sharing, has turned the tide of the war in Ukraine’s favor at various points, particularly around Kyiv and Kharkiv.
In tandem with military aid, the U.S. has imposed stringent sanctions on Russia, targeting critical sectors such as energy, finance, and defense. The goal is to isolate Russia economically, reduce its capacity to finance the war, and pressure its leadership. Although Russia has circumvented some sanctions, the measures have had a tangible impact on the Russian economy, leading to a decline in GDP, currency devaluation, and limitations on the country’s ability to import crucial technologies.

Implications for U.S.-Russia Relations
This support has driven U.S.-Russia relations to their lowest point since the Cold War, with both sides accusing the other of fueling the conflict. For the U.S., the war represents an opportunity to enforce the post-World War II international order, a rules-based system that respects national sovereignty. For Russia, however, the situation is seen as an existential threat, with Ukraine acting as a Western-aligned buffer state along its borders.
Moscow argues that NATO’s eastward expansion threatens its security, viewing Ukraine’s potential NATO membership as a direct challenge. The Kremlin has repeatedly asserted that the West’s involvement in Ukraine is aimed at weakening or even dismantling Russia’s influence. The presence of Western military assets and financial aid reinforces Russia's narrative, feeding into domestic propaganda and strengthening Russian support for the conflict.

The Risks and Potential Consequences
Despite the strategic logic behind supporting Ukraine, this approach has risks. The most pressing is the potential for escalation. Both Russia and NATO possess substantial nuclear arsenals, and a misunderstanding or accidental confrontation could lead to a catastrophic escalation. Some in Washington have raised concerns that arming Ukraine could prolong the conflict, leading to a drawn-out war with high civilian casualties, economic disruption, and humanitarian consequences.
Additionally, the proxy war risks straining U.S. resources and public support. With mounting costs and no clear endpoint, American political leaders face pressure to justify the continued expenditure on Ukraine amidst domestic challenges, such as economic inequality, infrastructure needs, and healthcare reform. Long-term involvement in Ukraine could become politically unsustainable, particularly if the American public grows weary of the costs and risks associated with aiding a distant conflict.

The Global Stakes: Democracy vs. Authoritarianism?
For the U.S. and its allies, the Ukraine conflict is often framed as a battle between democracy and authoritarianism, with Ukraine symbolizing a frontline state resisting Russian authoritarianism. The outcome of the war could have lasting effects on global norms and governance structures. A Ukrainian victory would reinforce the U.S.-led international order, while a Russian victory could embolden other authoritarian regimes to challenge it.
China, in particular, is closely watching the conflict, as its outcome may influence Beijing’s calculus on Taiwan. A U.S. “win” in Ukraine, demonstrating resolve and commitment to allies, might deter similar aggression elsewhere. Conversely, if U.S. support for Ukraine falters or if Russia secures a favorable settlement, other nations might perceive the U.S. as unwilling or unable to enforce its principles abroad.

Conclusion: The Future of U.S. Involvement
The U.S. proxy war in Ukraine is a complex, high-stakes endeavor with global implications. By supporting Ukraine, the U.S. hopes to maintain the current international order, limit Russian expansion, and project a message of strength and unity. However, the risks of escalation, resource depletion, and political fatigue complicate this mission, leaving policymakers to balance immediate strategic goals against long-term consequences.
Ultimately, the U.S. approach in Ukraine underscores a broader challenge: balancing global commitments with domestic priorities. How Washington navigates this proxy war may define its geopolitical standing for years to come and shape the future of global power dynamics, determining whether the rules-based international order will withstand the pressure of an increasingly multipolar world.

My question to ChatGPT: Write an article about the US proxy war in the Ukraine against Russia

[Dargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqNrRDYWElY

[Dargo]

The U.S. Proxy War in Ukraine: A Strategic Analysis
SNIP
My question to ChatGPT: Write an article about the US proxy war in the Ukraine against RussiaThis is AI pulling the archives this is the doctrine from the Cold War the US and the USSR fighting each other by proxy.

[Otto Harkaman]

^ Yes I think that is inherit to the question I asked it

That's my perception of this conflict. I hope there is a deep investigation into the Biden family involvement and why we are so dangerously entangled in this conflict with Russia.

[Dargo]

The Biden administration has lifted a de facto ban on American military contractors deploying to Ukraine to help the country’s military maintain and repair US-provided weapons systems, particularly F16 fighter jets and Patriot air defense systems, an official with direct knowledge of the plan told CNN.

The new policy, approved earlier this month before the election, would allow the Pentagon to provide contracts to American companies for work inside Ukraine for the first time since Russia invaded in 2022. Officials said they hope it will speed up the maintenance and repairs of weapons systems being used by the Ukrainian military. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/08/politics/biden-administration-american-military-contractors-deploy-ukraine/index.html

Donald Trump's phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Wednesday included two surprises: Elon Musk was also on the line, and Zelenskyy was somewhat reassured by what he heard from the president-elect, two sources with knowledge of the call tell Axios.
After Zelenskyy congratulated Trump, the president-elect said he will support Ukraine, but didn't go into details.
Three sources briefed on the call all told Axios that Zelenskyy felt the call went well and that it did not increase his anxiety about Trump's victory. One source said it "didn't leave Zelenskyy with a feeling of despair."
Musk also weighed in during the call to say he will continue supporting Ukraine through his Starlink satellites, the sources said. Musk did not respond to a request for comment.
https://www.axios.com/2024/11/08/musk-trump-zelensky-ukraine-call

[Jimbuna]

Russia is "ready to listen" to Trump’s proposals to resolve war in Ukraine - Russian Foreign Ministry

The Russian Foreign Ministry has expressed its readiness to "listen" to US President-elect Donald Trump's proposals to resolve the "situation" in Ukraine, but not those that would involve Russia's defeat in the war.

This was stated by Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov, quoted by the Russian Interfax news agency, Censor.NET reports.

According to him, Russia is "certainly" ready to listen to Trump's proposals. However, Moscow currently sees his proposals as pre-election rhetoric.

"I think that some of the messages from him regarding the ultra-fast settlement of the situation in Ukraine are nothing more than rhetoric, nothing more than a way to attract additional attention during the pre-election period," Ryabkov said.

The Russian diplomat claims that Russia is "extremely careful, responsible and attentive to any ideas proposed by countries in this area," referring to the Russian-Ukrainian war.

According to him, an example of this is the Sino-Brazilian proposal for a peaceful settlement of the war in Ukraine, which Russia criticizes "for its obvious shortcomings" but is also considering.

"If there are any signals from the American side that they have ideas on how to move forward with a settlement, and not with further pumping the Kyiv regime with all kinds of aid in the expectation that this will eventually lead to Moscow's strategic defeat, we will undoubtedly do our best to analyze this and develop a response... It is clear that there can be no simple solution to this problem or these problems related to what is happening in and around Ukraine," Ryabkov added.

Earlier, the FT reported that Donald Trump outlined a plan to end the war in Ukraine. In it, Ukraine does not join NATO, and Putin is put under economic pressure.

After the election, Donald Trump assured that his goal was to stop all wars in the world. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3519125

[Dargo]

^ Yes I think that is inherit to the question I asked it

That's my perception of this conflict. I hope there is a deep investigation into the Biden family involvement and why we are so dangerously entangled in this conflict with Russia.This is/was state doctrine nothing to do with one person this will not change without installing a tyrant. US Constitution provides a system of checks and balances designed to avoid the tyranny of any one branch. Back to proxy war there is always a clown who does not get it Hungary’s leader Orbán predicts Trump will end support for Ukraine in comments before EU summit (https://apnews.com/article/orban-predicts-trump-end-us-support-ukraine-b9ccaa5241410550763a29eaf38b3d20). And a proxy war is not dangerous, that is why it is policy to wage war without the risk of a direct involvement thinking you can get rid of the deep state is futile you never destroy the deep state that assassinated your own president in the past. That what you call deep state survived and is in power for centuries, so no orange savior will make a dent. The deep state does not hold elections so no matter who you vote for they set their own policy no matter who think is in power. The deep state seems to have learned through the generations consciously or not that war makes them more secure against internal trouble. The deep state finally seeks to make complete idiots out of the us and to make us forego the paradise on earth by promising a fictitious heaven or making us believe we can be rich like the ones that are for centuries all to keep us busy with ourselves without seeing them as the real cause for our misery.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnofDCxyt5k

[Dargo]

Pentagon to send Ukraine 500 interceptor missiles for Patriot and NASAMSThe Pentagon will send Ukraine more than 500 interceptor missiles for the Patriot and NASAMS missile defense systems, which are expected to arrive in the coming weeks, according to the Wall Street Journal, citing a senior White House official. This decision was made in response to the intensification of Russian drone attacks on Ukraine and as part of an effort to equip Kyiv as much as possible before President Joe Biden's term ends in January, the report says. Additional weapons are also expected to strengthen Ukraine’s position in potential negotiations with Russia, according to U.S. officials. According to one U.S. official, these deliveries are intended to meet Ukraine’s air defense needs until the end of 2024.

Another official noted that the transfer of weapons to Ukraine typically takes weeks or even months, and the impact of the increased shipments on U.S. military stockpiles “raises significant concerns.” Therefore, the U.S. is considering options like purchasing weapons from other countries to send to Ukraine, WSJ reports... https://english.nv.ua/nation/pentagon-to-send-ukraine-500-interceptor-missiles-for-patriot-and-nasams-wsj-50465166.html

[Catfish]

They need more than defense weapons


Russia Heading Towards Operational Victory in South Donetsk Front


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14vBSaCuSdA

[Dargo]

Over the past month, the Russia lost more than 1,350 (killed and wounded) per day on average, the head of the British Ministry of Defense shared. The total losses of Russia in Ukraine during October became a record Russia lost almost 42 thousand. That so called breakthrough in Donbas is a controlled retreat part of Ukraine deep defense. If you zoom out you see that victory is not big small pockets. Over the past day, the Russian army lost 1,660 troops at the front. Ukrainian Defense Forces also destroyed 5 tanks and 23 artillery systems. Drawing arrows on a map does not make it a pincer movement in the real.

[Skybird]

2022: "They cannot sustain these losses".
2023: "They cannot sustain these losses".
2024: "They cannot sustain these losses".


Russia, Novembre 2024: "Yes we can.(tm)"

[ET2SN]

"Every day Russian forces fight in Ukraine, NATO gets stronger." :O:

This is just basic attrition, AKA Death by a thousand cuts. :yep:

[Dargo]

Russia lost in 2024 two times more troops than between 2022-2023, Russian army is not growing but is in decline without a general mobilization. City of Moscow hikes pay for contract soldiers to $60,000 a year. With this increase, the annual income for Moscow's contract soldiers will be more than five times the country's average nominal wage, based on data from early 2024. It is estimated that Russia has lost 87% of the active-duty ground troops it had prior to launching its invasion of Ukraine and two-thirds of its pre-invasion tanks, according to a declassified US intelligence assessment provided to Congress in December last year. Ukraine believes that Russia continues to covertly recruit around 30,000 soldiers monthly, not allowing the Russian military to balance out its losses on the moment. If you lose almost 42,000 per month you can not build up your forces for the next offensive.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_9Lc8Gc8M

[Jimbuna]

Over week, enemy losses amounted to 9800 occupiers and 1447 pieces of weapons and military equipment

From November 3 to 10, 2024, the Defense Forces eliminated more than 10 thousand occupants and destroyed more than 1400 pieces of enemy equipment.

According to Censor.NET, this was reported by the Commander of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Oleksandr Pavliuk.

He emphasized that the enemy's losses for the week are as follows:

9800 occupiers;
1447 pieces of weapons and military equipment.
In particular, during the week, the Defense Forces destroyed:

67 tanks;
203 armored combat vehicles;
194 artillery systems;
1 MLRS;
2 air defense systems;
523 units of motor vehicles;
20 units of special equipment.
In addition, our defenders destroyed 5 enemy missiles and 432 UAVs. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3519248

[Skybird]

They will hold out those months more that are needed until Trump is in charge and lets Ukraine fall. Even Trump has nothing that could force Putin wanting to "negotiate". So not only has Trump already given up Crimea (I have already 2014 and said the Russian would NEVER give that up again...), but he will need to allow Russia taking the four occupied oblasts as well. Else he must not even care for starting to talk to Putin.


Ukraine loses, Russia gains its objectives: Crimea, four oblasts, the core of Ukrainian industrial centre, huge ressource fields, major parts of its agriculture (competing against the world-influencing wheat exports from Russia).



And if the West does not do anyway, for whatever the reasons are, what would be needed to make Ukraine winning and reconquering the stolen grounds, continuing the war indeed is pointless, it costs Ukraine more than Russia. Its Ukraine that gets destroyed piece by piece, not Russia.



The West as a security guarantor and defence assistant has paid a high price, too. With loss of prestige and "nimbus" of being militarily irresistable.



In the long run, Russia will pay in demographic and social terms. The economic fallout it will get over, somehow. It seems it always does.



Second half of or late 2025 will be the time when Ukraine very likely cannot carry on with fighting. The lost territory will be gone, forever.



Question is what comes from Russia int he years after, speaking of all Europe. Moldavia. Kaliningrad. Poland. Baltic. Georgia.


As my grandparents still used to say: "Die Gefahr kommt aus dem Osten."


A huge influx of more Ukrainian refugees into Europe is to be expected, say the media. They could be right.

[Jimbuna]

Russians have everything ready for massive shelling of Ukraine, missiles are stockpiled, aviation has practiced launch tactics - CCD

Currently, Russian troops have accumulated a sufficient number of missiles for another massive shelling of Ukrainian territory.

Andrii Kovalenko, head of the Center for Countering Disinformation of the National Defense and Security Council of Ukraine, said this on Telegram channel, Censor.NET reports.

"As I said, the Russians are ready for massive shelling. There are enough missiles, they have been accumulated at strategic aviation airfields and are still being accumulated. The aircraft are also ready," he said.

According to Kovalenko, the Russians are practicing tactics of simulated launches as part of keeping their aviation ready for action.

"And the enemy uses this for psychological pressure," he said.

As a reminder, on the morning of November 11, Tu-95 and MiG-31K bombers were spotted taking off in Russia. An air raid alert was announced throughout Ukraine, but later it turned out that enemy aircraft were imitating missile launches. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3519382

[Skybird]

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/halten-um-jeden-preis-gibt-es-nicht-in-kursk-72-stunden-nach-trump-anruf-startet-putin-grossoffensive-experte-erklaert-warum_id_260470587.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Military expert Gustav Gressel from the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) assesses the situation in Ukraine for FOCUS online. "I am not surprised if Putin responds to Trump's call and warning of escalation with an escalation to show: 'You have no right to order me to do anything here.'" If Trump does not draw any conclusions from this, he will immediately lose face with Putin.

Gressel says he can only shake his head at the negotiation and mediation plans that Trump - and Chancellor Scholz - claim to be pursuing. One only has to ask the logical question: "Why should Putin, who has already invested so much in this war, give up just because the West no longer wants to?"

[Catfish]

^ why black text ?
Putin cannot lose face, neither can Trump.
But a russian escalation 72 hours after telephone call with Trump is probably not a good sign.

[Otto Harkaman]

^ Trump call ?
There were recent reports that Donald Trump, following his 2024 election victory, had spoken with Russian President Vladimir Putin. However, the Kremlin has firmly denied that any such call took place. Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov labeled these reports as "completely false" and clarified that there were no current plans for a call between Trump and Putin. While Trump has previously indicated he would seek a swift resolution to the Ukraine conflict if re-elected, this reported call appears to be unverified, with both Russian and Ukrainian officials refuting the claims of its occurrence.

[Catfish]

^ Focus is not known for false information or drastic exaggeration, but maybe they ARE wrong – ? :hmmm:
I would not believe anything what the Kreml says in this situation though, also Trump will not say anything. Those are things going on behind closed doors.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbzkLfSfzBw