Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 [Archive] - Page 7

Exocet25fr

10-26-23, 12:49 PM

No more military aid for Ukraine – EU state’s new PM

Slovakia’s Robert Fico has also vowed not to support any anti-Russia sanctions without analyzing their impact. Slovakia’s new prime minster, Robert Fico, has pledged to end military support for Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, and to push for an immediate cessation of hostilities. He also vowed not to back further sanctions on Moscow if they end up harming his country.

https://www.rt.com/news/585857-slovakia-no-ukraine-aid/

Ukrainian MP reveals major losses of soldiers

National military reserves are currently insufficient for a protracted conflict with Russia, a lawmaker involved with draft issues has admitted. Ukraine will likely ramp up its mobilization efforts to replace combat casualties during the summer counteroffensive and potentially create “new brigades”, a Ukrainian MP involved with military affairs has predicted. Currently, military reserves are insufficient to offer frontline troops sufficient rest time, he said.

https://www.rt.com/russia/585863-ukraine-mobilization-problems-mp/

Ukrainian conscription officer reveals huge casualty rate

Only 10-20% of those drafted in Poltava Region last fall are still fighting against Russia, Vitaly Berezhny was quoted as saying. Up to nine out of ten Ukrainian army draftees who joined in the last year have been either killed or wounded in action, a senior conscription officer in the country's Poltava Region said on Friday, according to local media.

https://www.rt.com/russia/583053-ukraine-army-decimated-losses/

Russian ‘battle beavers’ take out three German-made Leopards in two days

Kamikaze drones are hunting for the armor on the frontline. A Russian military force specializing in using first-person view (FPV) kamikaze drones to hunt down Ukrainian armored vehicles claims to have successfully engaged three German-made Leopard battle tanks in just two days.

https://www.rt.com/russia/585832-fpv-drones-attack-leopard/

Russia promises response to US nuclear deployment in Europe

Moscow must counter the ‘threat’ from NATO amid a ‘proxy war’ being waged by Washington, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said. Russia must to react to the threat posed by US nuclear weapons deployed in Europe, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday, while accusing the West of openly waging a “real war” against Moscow.

https://www.rt.com/russia/585839-lavrov-eurasian-security-forum/

EU failing to meet Ukraine ammo pledges

The bloc has delivered only around 30% of the shells that it promised to send to Kiev by next March, the report says. The EU is struggling to make good on its promise to supply Ukraine with one million artillery shells by next spring, Bloomberg reported on Thursday, citing sources.

https://www.rt.com/news/585827-eu-struggling-ammo-plans-ukraine/

Russian nuclear forces conduct major test

The exercises included ballistic and cruise missile launches by all parts of the military 'triad', the Kremlin has said. Russia has conducted a major exercise aimed at testing its strategic nuclear forces, the Kremlin confirmed on Wednesday. The drills involved all three components of the nuclear triad: intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear-armed submarines, and strategic bombers, the statement said.

https://www.rt.com/russia/585793-russian-nuclear-forces-test-missile/

Jimbuna

10-26-23, 12:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaQvWrxM4Po

Exocet25fr

10-26-23, 01:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yq6SKuS3KU

Jimbuna

10-26-23, 01:14 PM

Hindustan Times again :haha:

Exocet25fr

10-26-23, 01:23 PM

Yours again !:haha:

Dargo

10-26-23, 01:36 PM

Russian Telegram channel reports on Ukrainian use of ATACMS missiles:

"Yesterday, the Russian Defense Ministry reported the shooting down of two ATACMS.

The source of VChK-OGPU described the reality ironically as follows: 'It is exactly like this. Two ATACMS missiles were destroyed as a result of a direct hit on the position of the Russian Armed Forces air defense group in Luhansk region and at the cost of 3 S-400 systems deployed there'." https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1717593702812582221

Skybird

10-26-23, 02:31 PM

mapuc

10-26-23, 03:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0vhiSV05Mk&ab_channel=UkraineMatters

Markus

Dargo

10-26-23, 03:51 PM

Regardless of the propaganda put out by RT and HT, I have come to believe that Ukraine's successes in the Robotyne fighting have been overestimated in the West. Kiev has not managed to make strategic capital out of what happened at Robotyne or to make any further gains that would be significant in terms of Kiev's stated war aims. How could it be otherwise. Ukraine is increasingly struggling with depleting human resources that cannot be compensated for, and in addition, the quantitatively massive shortage supply from the West does not appear in any way sufficient to comprehensively protect Ukraine's critical infrastructure against air attacks or to conduct further offensive operations on the ground of strategic-operational importance. A possible failure of power supply in Wnter would also mean the collapse of defense production in the country.

Or, in short, Ukraine's offensive has petered out, Russia has survived it for this time. For two or three weeks I was blinded by the news from Robotyne - my mistake. My current assessment follows the pessimistic view I took before Robotyne.The big difference is simple: Russia can afford its high losses. Ukraine cannot. And Russia, in my estimation, is far from collapsing economically. Claims to the contrary are, in my view, Western wishful thinking.Russia lost more since the last week's numbers they can not resupply or produce the fighting is not over maybe paused because of the weather every day Russia will and are losing large numbers of equipment. Even foreign supplies will not help Russia, what they fired in the past will not come back, Russia does not have the barrels for it. Russia spends now more than a third on this war with failing exports that money runs out at a time their economy is in decline. Ukraine has more allies Russia is mostly on its own China will not really help it and for Iran North Korea those are not the big players. If I have to bet I still place my bet on Ukraine.

mapuc

10-26-23, 04:02 PM

Jimbuna

10-27-23, 05:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVp3Wb9mwIU

Jimbuna

10-27-23, 06:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3fi9dz11-Q

mapuc

10-27-23, 08:11 AM

One has hope it's true. Then who takes over ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNRrbm6poE0&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-27-23, 08:16 AM

Putin ‘forming axis of terror’ as he welcomes Hamas and Iran to Moscow.

Vladimir Putin sought to intervene in the Middle Eastern conflict on Thursday by inviting senior Hamas and Iranian leaders to Moscow.

In a move condemned by Israel as an “obscene step” that “gives support to terrorism”, Russian officials met with the terror group who praised them for taking an “active role” in the war.

Ali Bagheri Kani, the deputy foreign minister of Iran, the main foreign sponsor of Hamas, was also in Moscow for talks.

The developments have raised concern in the West that Russia has formed an “axis of terror” with Hamas, mediated by Iran.

Hamas praised Putin personally for his “stance” on the conflict and “acknowledged the active role of Russian diplomacy” in talks over “the recent Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip and strategies to halt the Israeli crimes”.

A photograph released by Hamas showed Bassem Naeem, its head of international relations, and Mousa Abu Marzouk, a senior member of the Hamas politburo, in a meeting with Mikhail Bogdanov, Putin’s special envoy in the Middle East.

Western observers said the meetings suggested Putin had abandoned his long-standing alliance with Israel in favour of closer ties with Iran and its Islamist allies, who carried out the Oct 7 terror attacks on Israel and have stepped up a bombing campaign on American troops in the wider Middle East.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-forming-axis-of-terror-as-he-welcomes-hamas-and-iran-to-moscow/ar-AA1iUxYu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=060cc34dd5d2420899ed032cc7542511&ei=22

Skybird

10-27-23, 09:00 AM

^ And I still cannot see relevant efforts in Europe to start beefing up defences and military power and defence industries. Instead the EU has tripled its payments to Gaza/Hamas, which is practically one and the same.

They must necessarily think we're completely idiotic.

Dargo

10-27-23, 11:05 AM

^
Wonder if it has to do with the fact that Russia has only put aside a part of it's military equipment to this war-Which should be a quick 3 days operation.

What will happen if Russia declare Ukraine war instead and thereby open up for the entire air force and hundred of thousands soldiers(reserves)

Now you may say. This is not going to happen.

Are you 110 % sure ?

MarkusRussia has most of its military equipment in Ukraine they degraded its forces on the Europe and Asian borders most skilled officers on the front are KIA or not available any more their army fights with hardly trained personnel and that you can see they make many fatal mistakes. Do not think their air force has the planes that they can actively use, it has flown too many hours combined bad maintained still can not figure out why they're not using their air force as we expected we only saw the first night acting according use in wars. With a hundred of thousands soldiers (reserves) alone you can not win like with artillery or air force alone also not Russia does still not do combined fighting they lack the training for this and with all those died in the first year they now have no time to learn this.

Dargo

10-27-23, 11:39 AM

One has hope it's true. Then who takes over ?

MarkusPutin dies for a couple of years now the rumours that he has cancer or something fatal under Russians is from way back but if when it will be a puppet to take over under control of the current circle but knowing Russians they probably **** this up so would not know and think it does not matter Russia will not change to the good can only hope the hate among them is high and Russia goes full total faction war so that they need the resources from Ukraine to survive but wishful thinking.

mapuc

10-27-23, 11:46 AM

Russia has most of its military equipment in Ukraine they degraded its forces on the Europe and Asian borders most skilled officers on the front are KIA or not available any more their army fights with hardly trained personnel and that you can see they make many fatal mistakes. Do not think their air force has the planes that they can actively use, it has flown too many hours combined bad maintained still can not figure out why they're not using their air force as we expected we only saw the first night acting according use in wars. With a hundred of thousands soldiers (reserves) alone you can not win like with artillery or air force alone also not Russia does still not do combined fighting they lack the training for this and with all those died in the first year they now have no time to learn this.

No doubt you're right in what you wrote.
Nevertheless they keep on pushing forward in Avdiivka and other places..Despite losing hundreds of boots and military stuff each day...they keep on marching forward.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-27-23, 12:06 PM

Separatist lined up to be Putin’s puppet leader in Ukraine ‘is shot in Crimea home’

A pro-Russian former politician in Ukraine is fighting for his life after being shot in his Crimea home, an official has said.

Oleg Tsaryov, who was reportedly being lined up to lead a puppet administration in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv after Russia’s invasion, is in intensive care, Vladimir Rogov, a Russian-installed official in southern Ukraine, said.

He was reportedly shot twice at around midnight at his home in Crimea.

“Oleg’s condition is very serious. He is currently in intensive care,” Mr Rogov wrote on the Telegram messaging app.

Sources told Reuters last year that Russia had been lining up Mr Tsaryov to head a puppet government in Kyiv after Moscow’s forces invaded on 24 February.

Mr Tsaryov himself dismissed that possibility when the Financial Times reported it, citing US intelligence, ahead of the invasion.

He told the paper at the time that the idea was “pretty funny” because he was just running a wellness business in Crimea and was “not important enough”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/separatist-lined-up-to-be-putin-s-puppet-leader-in-ukraine-is-shot-in-crimea-home/ar-AA1iXcFp?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=95b29abaf8834b4aa086edee414a9e23&ei=12

Jimbuna

10-27-23, 12:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Y1PkMEoKk

Dargo

10-27-23, 12:31 PM

No doubt you're right in what you wrote.
Nevertheless they keep on pushing forward in Avdiivka and other places..Despite losing hundreds of boots and military stuff each day...they keep on marching forward.

MarkusAt what cost? There comes a point in time that even Russia cannot mass murder their own any more when the economic troubles become too high the loses on the front become too high and see that the West will not give this up that Russia has become so isolated it can not go on. We do not see it now, but it can always happen that the house of cards destroys itself

Exocet25fr

10-27-23, 01:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREr43Xl7ck

Dargo

10-27-23, 01:10 PM

Heavy Russian equipment losses around Avdiivka will likely undermine Russian offensive capabilities over the long term. Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun stated on October 26 that Russian forces have suffered 5,000 personnel killed and wounded and 400 armored vehicles losses near Avdiivka and Marinka (southwest of Donetsk City) since October 10.[1] Satellite imagery has confirmed that the Russian military has lost at least 109 military vehicles, primarily armored fighting vehicles and tanks, near Avdiivika between October 10 and 20.[2] A Ukrainian reserve officer stated that Russian forces appear to be using fewer armored vehicles near Avdiivka, although Russian forces may be regrouping for renewed large mechanized assaults as they did between the initial mechanized assaults on October 10 and a second series of large mechanized assaults on October 19 and 20.[3] The Russian command has funneled additional forces to the Avdiivka front to offset heavy manpower losses and maintain the Russian military’s ability to sustain its ongoing offensive effort.[4]

The Russian command will likely struggle to offset Russian equipment losses, particularly in armored vehicles, however. Widespread Russian equipment losses and shortages in the first year of the full-scale invasion heavily restricted Russia’s ability to conduct effective mechanized maneuver warfare during the Russian military's winter-spring 2023 offensive, contributing to further losses in disorderly mechanized assaults near Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast in January and February 2023.[5] Heavy losses around Vuhledar likely prevented the Russian command from committing to sustained mechanized assaults elsewhere in Ukraine later in the winter-spring 2023 offensive.[6] Recent Russian equipment losses around Avdiivka appear to be much larger than earlier equipment losses around Vuhledar. It remains unclear if the prospect of further heavy equipment losses will deter the Russian command from launching another series of large, mechanized assaults near Avdiivka. Russia has gradually mobilized elements of its defense industrial base (DIB) to address equipment shortages but has not done so at a scale remotely sufficient to offset the cumulative Russian equipment losses in Ukraine.[7] Recent Russian equipment losses around Avdiivka will likely lead to even more pronounced Russian equipment shortages and setbacks for any progress that the Russian military has made in addressing degraded mechanized maneuver warfare capabilities. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-26-2023

mapuc

10-27-23, 01:19 PM

^ In an answer to one of my comment your started it with
"At what cost ?"

The answer can be read in ISW 26 Oct. issue, which you have posted ^

I have no doubt it is so..meaning mostly true what they have written(ISW)

When I tell this to my fb-friends they laugh and say I shouldn't be listerning to Westly propaganda and that Ukraine can't win this war.

It's understandable why they laugh. They know it's true but they want accept it.

Markus

mapuc

10-27-23, 06:00 PM

One of the enemy's important propaganda narratives is that it is futile to fight Russia because Russia has "virtually unlimited resources" such as money, people, weapons, etc. The calculation of Russian propaganda is to shake the faith of Ukrainians in the possibility of victory, as well as to sow doubts among our Western partners.

https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1304&page=1

Markus

Jimbuna

10-28-23, 03:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjKlKFULHco

Jimbuna

10-28-23, 03:59 AM

Russia is executing soldiers who try to retreat from a bloody offensive in eastern Ukraine, the White House has said.

According to the US, some of the casualties suffered by Russia near Avdiivka were "on the orders of their own leaders".

Russian and Ukrainian troops have been locked into a fierce battle for the frontline town since mid-October.

Russia is thought to have suffered "significant" losses in this time.

Ukrainian estimates put the number of Russian casualties in Avdiivka at 5,000, while the US says that Russia lost "at least" 125 armoured vehicles and more than a battalion's worth of equipment.

A Ukrainian army spokesperson said that Russian troops were refusing to attack Ukrainian positions near Avdiivka because of heavy losses and that there had been mutinies in some units.

"Russia's mobilised forces remain under-trained, under-equipped and unprepared for combat, as was the case during their failed winter offensive last year," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said in a briefing on Thursday.

He said that the Russian military "appears to be using what we would call 'human wave' tactics, just throwing masses of these poorly trained soldiers right into the fight."

"No proper equipment, no leadership, no resourcing, no support. It is unsurprising that Russian forces are suffering from poor morale," Mr Kirby added.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67234144

Jimbuna

10-28-23, 08:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMOwygGB9Dw

Jimbuna

10-29-23, 05:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znvvV_-Wo1w

Jimbuna

10-29-23, 06:31 AM

Vladimir Putin's 'rapists and killers going on rampage' after returning to Russia

Murderers and rapists freed by Vladimir Putin in exchange for serving in Ukraine are now wreaking havoc as they return to Russia, an expert has said.

Emily Ferris, a Research Fellow in the International Security Studies department at UK think tank the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), also warned the Russian mindset was such that its people were willing to accept massive casualties as a consequence of Putin's war - resulting in what she called the "meat grinder" narrative.

Ms Ferris was speaking after reports indicated the Russian army was recruiting from jails across the country, following the example of the private military company the Wagner Group last year.

Despite a lack of official confirmation, there is multiple evidence to suggest convicts are being sent to a unit known as Storm-Z, the Z being a reference to Putin's so-called special operation, the BBC reported.

One former prisoner speaking to US-funded website Sever Realii said little regard was given to the safety of the men in the outfit, which he described as "a total meat grinder".

Ms Ferris, who specialises in Russian domestic politics, said: "One of the serious problems Russia is having is that its reliance on convicts has had negative social implications back in Russia.

"Once discharged from frontline duty they are, as according to their contracts, released from prison and their sentences are considered served, even if they're serving time for serious crimes like murder.

"There have been a lot of alarming reports coming out of Siberian towns and villages particularly where recently demobilised men have been returning to villages and are engaging in the same crimes that they were convicted of, mainly theft, murder or sexual assault."

There was not enough "psychological evaluation" of these people to determine whether they were fit to be released back into society, Ms Ferris pointed out.

Neither was there adequate social help available to combat issues such as PTSD sustained on the battlefield, all of which makes it very difficult for them to reintegrate anyway.

Assessing the implications of Putin's decision to continue recruiting from prisons, Ms Ferris continued: "There is I suppose the broader Russian military approach to mass casualties."

Referring to a comment piece which she and her colleague Dr Sarah Ashbridge had written for RUSI's website, she continued: "Essentially this is explaining why the 'meat grinder' analogy has been a part of how Russia does warfare for centuries, and how this has permeated down to society.

"Although that's not to say people are completely fine with it, the mindset in a lot of Russians is that people are being killed in service of a greater cause, and that they have to accept a great deal of sacrifice to win the war.

"This, and because the Russian Ministry of Defence doesn't release accurate figures of those killed in battle, is why you don't see a huge amount of protests from regular people about military deaths."

Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin spearheaded a brief rebellion against the Russian military establishment in the summer.

After Prigozhin's subsequent death in a plane crash exactly two months later, Putin signed a decree ordering Wagner Group fighters to swear an "oath of allegiance" to the Russian state.

Russia has now named a replacement for the former head of the country's Aerospace Forces, who was dismissed in the wake of the apparent mutiny, according to information on the Defence Ministry website.

The website on Friday showed Colonel General Viktor Afzalov, who reportedly had been acting head of the air force since mid-August, was given the full post. He replaces General Sergei Surovikin.

The ministry's intent to make the appointment was reported last week by state news agencies.

Surovikin was believed to have had close ties with Prigozhin, who accused both Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and military chief of staff Valery Gerasimov undermining Wagner forces who were key fighters in eastern Ukraine.

After the uprising disintegrated, Surovikin was not seen in public for months. Reports of his dismissal came one day before Prigozhin and several top lieutenants died in the private plane crash, regarded by many as an assassination by Putin operatives.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-s-rapists-and-killers-going-on-rampage-after-returning-to-russia/ar-AA1j1LE1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=5b42718273064bce8398d29d1aa34adf&ei=11

Skybird

10-29-23, 06:49 AM

Disillusionment is spreading. The predicted collapse of morale on the Russian side has not materialized, and will not materialize. The Ukrainian offensive has been unsuccessful in strategic terms. Russia has regained the momentum, and withheld ammunition to give the Ukrainian critical infrastructure a hot winter. Western analysts have made far too many mistakes about Russia.

https://www-zeit-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/2023-10/ukraine-gegenoffensive-ende-unterstuetzung-krieg-russland/komplettansicht?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Reece

10-29-23, 07:08 AM

Well that news sucks!! :x:cry::mad:

Jimbuna

10-29-23, 07:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1cysRXwrXA

mapuc

10-29-23, 09:44 AM

Well that news sucks!! :x:cry::mad:

Rest ashore that Ukraine may not have gain much land in their offensive as expected, but they have inflicted huge loses on the Russian side when it comes to manpower and material.

Markus

Dargo

10-29-23, 11:24 AM

Well that news sucks!! :x:cry::mad:Read the article it is not all doom and gloom Russia does it worse than Ukraine.

This does not mean that Ukraine is in danger of defeat. It is not possible to conclusively judge the war situation and progress based on the area of liberated territory alone. The Ukrainian troops have been able to inflict significant losses on the Russian occupiers in recent months. Russia is still losing more artillery, more technology and more soldiers than Ukraine. Ukraine, for its part, was able to save some of the technology supplied, such as Abrams and Challenger tanks, for future operations. The successful strikes against Russian airfields or naval bases in recent weeks could also prove to be important preparatory work for future offensives. It is more than just a symbolic success that Russia had to largely withdraw its Black Sea fleet from Crimea after Ukrainian attacks. Only then can cargo ships return to the port of Odessa and load goods such as grain or iron oreRussia’s mobilized forces remain undertrained, underequipped, and unprepared for combat. As was the case during their failed winter offensive last year, the Russian military appears to be using what we would call “human wave tactics” just throwing masses of these poorly trained soldiers right into the fight, no proper equipment, no leadership, no resourcing, no support. Russian loss rates around Avdiivka seem to be running around 40 percent higher than in the war in general. This might not seem like a lot, but it's extreme in war, in which attrition is so important. Ukraine can hope that Putin is so desperate to take Avdiivka that he keeps this up for months. The Russian presidential election takes place in just over 4 months (March 2024). If the Russians are determined to destroy their forces until then good for Ukraine.

mapuc

10-29-23, 12:19 PM

It doesn't matter if Russia lose 50-100-150.000 men in their effort to encircle Avdiivka if they have success in doing so.

It's like Bakhmut 100.000 or more soldiers on Russian side, mostly from Wagner group lost their life in the taking Bakhmut.
Still they see it as a victory.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-29-23, 01:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP8gzK9Ixt8

Jimbuna

10-30-23, 04:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JE6KgeZg0

Jimbuna

10-30-23, 07:14 AM

Putin ally Lukashenko turns on him and urges fighting in Ukraine to 'stop' immediately.

Vladimir Putin's close ally Alexander Lukashenko has made a huge intervention after warning Russia and Ukraine are locked in a "serious stalemate" as he called for sit-down peace talks and an end to the brutal war.

The Russian and Belarusian presidents have been close allies for several years, with territory in Lukashenko's neighboring country used as a launch pad for Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. They have also held regular meetings since the start of the war.

In June, Belarus started taking delivery of Russian tactical nuclear weapons in a chilling new development in the seemingly blossoming relationship between the two allies.

But the stunning new U-turn from Lukashenko is the first time he has come forward seeking a truce in the conflict.
He said in a question-and-answer video posted on the website of the Belarusian state news agency BelTA: "There are enough problems on both sides and in general, the situation is now seriously stalemate - no one can do anything and substantively strengthen or advance their position.

"They're there head-to-head, to the death, entrenched. People are dying. We need to sit down at the negotiating table and come to an agreement.

"As I once said - no preconditions are needed. The main thing is that the 'stop' command is given."

Lukashenko added Ukraine's demands for Russian troops to leave its territory in the ongoing and brutal war needs to be resolved to ensure that "nobody dies".
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-ally-lukashenko-turns-on-him-and-urges-fighting-in-ukraine-to-stop-immediately/ar-AA1j5p5m?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=8593f1ba87db4ade86c562790495fdf8&ei=11

Aktungbby

10-30-23, 09:50 AM

...now we'll see how long LukaBBY lasts??!:hmmm::oops: :dead:

August

10-30-23, 10:35 AM

I don't see this as a change from what he's been saying all along. He undoubtedly means Russia to keep the territories it has seized.

mapuc

10-30-23, 12:58 PM

Putin ally Lukashenko turns on him and urges fighting in Ukraine to 'stop' immediately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lf73P_vO1o&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

10-30-23, 01:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FY4EolmKBA

Dargo

10-30-23, 02:31 PM

Lukashenko's economy is hurting from the sanctions, he has billions in debt he does not pay the foreign debt any more it is more he is in danger of collapse. That is why he tries this to save his own neck, but the Kremlin is not willing. "In case the necessary conditions are created, we maintain readiness for political discussions on realistic principles – both for post-conflict resolution of the Ukrainian crisis and for the parameters of further coexistence with the West as a whole," stated Shoygu. However, the Russian Defence Minister emphasized that Western countries must halt their pursuit of a strategic defeat of Russia for negotiations to take place. But the conditions for talks have not yet been established.

Zelenskyy has a very reasonable peace plan, not seen anyone from the Kremlin wanting to talk about this.

mapuc

10-30-23, 03:27 PM

^ If I remember correctly Ukraines peaceplan is where Russia leave Ukraine back to the border who they accepted in 1991.

Russians peaceplan is the one where they keep to occupied areas incl. Crimea.

Markus

Skybird

10-30-23, 05:40 PM

Russia has no peace plan. They want some time tio consoldiate their disarrays, and then continue to destroy Ukraine. If you look at it, it is an established tool of Russian foreign policy to arrange a conflict somewhere and then keeping it simmering on and on and on, benefitting from that. Putin needs a continuation of the war, a peace now is the last thing that is in his survival interest.

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Ukraine wants to stop transmitting Russian gas to Europe from 2025 onwards.

Ooopsiepoopsie - some European states that are still on the drip will have something to complain about.

Jimbuna

10-31-23, 04:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGOQW-agmow

Jimbuna

10-31-23, 06:11 AM

Whole family shot dead in Russian-occupied Ukrainian town

Nine people, including two young children, have been found shot dead in their house in the Russian-occupied eastern Ukrainian town of Volnovakha.

Ukrainian officials say they believe Russian soldiers killed the whole of the Kapkanets family on 27 October for refusing to give them their house.

Russian investigators say two male suspects have been held, saying they are Russian soldiers from the Far East.

Ukraine and Russia have begun separate investigations into the attack.

Photographs have emerged on social media showing blood-splattered and bullet-riddled bodies lying in beds, some of them still locked in an embrace.

Ukrainian ombudsman Dmytro Lubinets said on Monday that "Russians' bloodied hands were involved" in the Volnovakha killings.

"According to preliminary information, the occupiers have killed the whole of the Kapkanets family, who were celebrating a birthday and who had refused to hand their own house over to occupiers from Chechnya," he said on Telegram.

The Ukrainian-controlled Donetsk prosecutor's office, citing preliminary information, said the attackers in army uniforms shot the family dead after their demand to vacate the house had been rejected.

Two children, born in 2014 and 2018, were among the victims, the office added.

Russia's official Investigations Committee described those arrested as Russian soldiers from the country's Far East, who had signed contracts with the Russian military.

"According to preliminary information, the motive for the crime was a domestic conflict," the committee said in a statement.

Astra, a Russian news channel on Telegram, earlier quoted the victims' neighbours as blaming the Russian military for the killings.

"All of the neighbours are saying that the killers were in the military. We're all scared," one neighbour told Astra.

Baza, another Russian Telegram channel, said members of the household had had "a conflict with unidentified men wearing military fatigues with no insignia".

Volnovakha was captured by Russian forces just weeks after the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Most of the town has been destroyed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67262610

Skybird

10-31-23, 06:32 AM

https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/sergei-gerasimow-kriegstagebuch-aus-charkiw-teil-4339-ld.1762287?_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_sl=auto

Russians are not really afraid of death, and Russian roulette, in fact, could be invented only in Russia. Russians don't really appreciate life, neither their own nor others'.

I don't remember exactly who - probably it was Solzhenitsyn - described a case in Russia where a prisoner put a grenade in another prisoner's pocket for fun and was amused that the man was blown to pieces. He did this not out of malice, but because life in Russia is a permanent ordeal from which there is no other way out but death. That is so, even if the Russians themselves do not always understand it.

And then there was the Ukrainian Donbass, where the Russians again allowed themselves everything. After that, they looked forward to new wars.

"We are like surgeons who advance into the war-torn areas. We are like doctors who cross the divine borders to free the patient from his pathologies. Yes, we wade through pain and sorrow, through blood and hunger, but we bring life," writes a Russian war correspondent about Ukraine.

Jimbuna

10-31-23, 07:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6WJBt0PDR4

mapuc

10-31-23, 09:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B_4M5dTHIU&ab_channel=CovertCabal

Markus

Dargo

10-31-23, 02:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeUwIF3cTms

mapuc

10-31-23, 02:17 PM

Putin had somewhat control the first 1-2 days in the Ukrainian war. Thereafter he have lost the control.

Markus

Dargo

10-31-23, 02:31 PM

Putin had somewhat control the first 1-2 days in the Ukrainian war. Thereafter he have lost the control.

MarkusThat rear admiral says that Putin only is the public figurehead that a group is in control, not Putin any more not that this matter will not be better but with several people wanting to control power there is always a change someone or a faction starts to grab all the power.

mapuc

10-31-23, 02:45 PM

That rear admiral says that Putin only is the public figurehead that a group is in control, not Putin any more not that this matter will not be better but with several people wanting to control power there is always a change someone or a faction starts to grab all the power.

This does not surprise me at all. Sooner or later he will be gone and another takes over maybe someone from this group.

He will suffer from a Cardiac arrest or similar to the public

Markus

mapuc

10-31-23, 04:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cBiqvsoSws&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

August

10-31-23, 04:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rZiD8Z0gHQ

Jimbuna

11-01-23, 06:18 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrF7iSijqA

Jimbuna

11-01-23, 06:33 AM

Vladimir Putin is 'Dead' After Rumored Illness, 'Understudy' Recognized as Stand-in President: Kremlin Source Say

AKremlin source alleged that Vladimir Putin died over the weekend, and a body double has been officially recognized as the president of Russia, RadarOnline.com has learned.

The report follows rumors that Putin, 71, suffered a heart attack in recent weeks and was living out his final days in solitude while the alleged doppelgängers carried out official duties.

According to the Telegram channel General SRV, which claims to relay information from a Kremlin insider, Putin diedat his Valdai residence last week.

"There was a 'viewing' of the double of the late Russian President Vladimir Putin by a representative composition of the permanent members of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. In essence, the understudy has already held similar meetings, but this was during Putin’s lifetime, and now Nikolai Patrushev has arranged a kind of acceptance of the understudy in the image of the President by everyone who is related to the first and, partially, the second circle of people close to the 'President,'" the channel posted.

The channel added that Putin's new "understudy" had allegedly been recognized and is "ready to accept the new rules of the game."

"It is worth noting that the double held both a meeting with permanent members of the Security Council via video link and a face-to-face meeting with representatives of the Security Council, the Government and the leadership of law enforcement agencies," General SRV's post continued.

"Nikolai Patrushev believes that everyone present at the meetings thus recognizes the understudy as the 'President' and is ready to accept the new rules of the game – and a grandiose game is being started."

The Telegram channel previously claimed that Putin had to be "resuscitated" after guards found him convulsing and lying on the ground after suffering the alleged heart attack.

While details on Putin's alleged death remain unclear, the channel suggested that the late despot's body was being kept at the Valdai residence.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-is-dead-after-rumored-illness-understudy-recognized-as-stand-in-president-kremlin-source-say/ar-AA1jaloJ?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=fd26c1cc81a24d8da97c9142afaefe15&ei=20

Skybird

11-01-23, 09:55 AM

Kagemusha, eh...?

Exocet25fr

11-01-23, 10:18 AM

Ukrainian Cities And Villages Come Under Record Number Of Attacks.Ukraine has said that 118 cities and villages were shelled by Russia on October 31, the largest number of settlements to come under attack this year. The shelling was recorded in 10 Ukrainian regions, the Ukrainian Interior Ministry said on November 1.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-cities-villages-attacked-russia/32665117.html

Russia-Ukraine war live: North Korea has sent a million artillery shells to Russia, says South Korea.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/01/russia-ukraine-war-live-world-expects-success-too-quickly-says-zelenskiy-us-senators-indicate-ukraine-funding-support

US-made F-16s will survive just a few weeks in Ukraine. Russian air defenses are proving highly successful at downing Ukrainian planes, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said. Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu claimed on Wednesday that the entire fleet of F-16 warplanes pledged to Kiev by Western donors could be destroyed in less than three weeks. He based his claim on the high rate of success shown by Russian air defenses in shooting down Ukrainian military aircraft last month.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586346-shoigu-ukraine-f16-fleet/

Ukraine is losing – Russian defense minister
Kiev’s forces are dwindling despite supplies of Western weapons, Sergey Shoigu has reported. Kiev’s attempts to advance on the front line remain fruitless and are resulting in high battlefield losses and decreasing morale among Ukrainian troops, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has said.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586340-kiev-regime-losing-moscow/

Comparing Ukraine with Gaza, Russia accuses Israel of hypocrisy
Moscow argues that Prime Minister Yair Lapid cannot condemn Russia for alleged war crimes while attacking the Gaza Strip.

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/08/comparing-ukraine-gaza-russia-accuses-israel-hypocrisy

Jimbuna

11-01-23, 01:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eue093TAync

Exocet25fr

11-01-23, 02:02 PM

That’s Five Leopard 2 Losses In A Week.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/28/the-russians-reportedly-knocked-out-two-more-ukrainian-leopard-2-tanks-thats-five-leopard-2-losses-in-a-week/

Tank production grows sevenfold in Russia. Manufacturing of certain military hardware has grown by a factor of 60 over the past year, state arms group Rostec revealed.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586358-tank-production-growth-rostec/

Ukraine conflict fatigue is growing, Italian PM tells pranksters. Weariness and mounting problems in the EU necessitate a compromise, Giorgia Meloni said.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586348-vovan-lexus-meloni-prank/

Dargo

11-01-23, 02:43 PM

A million artillery shells from North Korea is not enough Russian artillery doctrine used 30,000 shells a day that did not win them anything in the past. Such intensity wears out the guns, requires extensive support, and is less viable as Russia loses the radars it needs to find and suppress Ukrainian artillery. Russian artillery doctrine is still largely based on extensive analysis of World War II data to determine how many shells were needed to achieve a specific effect, but this is a modern war, not WWII. Russia may be able to increase production of artillery in the next couple of years to about 2 million shells annually, estimated Russia fired between 10 million and 11 million rounds last year in Ukraine. If you expended 10 million rounds last year, and you're in the middle of a fight, and you can only produce 1 to 3 million rounds a year, I don't think that's a very strong position. Other Russia investments in its defence sector may also allow Moscow to produce close to 200 tanks a year, but that is a far cry from what it needs after suffering heavy losses in Ukraine. When you've lost +2,000 tanks, you've got a decade before you get to where you started, Russia had also lost +4,000 armoured fighting vehicles, over 100 aircraft and suffered 270,000 casualties in the conflict, including both forces killed and wounded. Again, a decade before Russia gets to where it began this war.

Skybird

11-01-23, 03:27 PM

Dargo

11-01-23, 03:53 PM

Now look at artillery ammunition supply for Ukraine. But dont get depressed.

And where thge Ruzssians, as you say, wear out their artillery tubes, they also wear out Ukrainian forces.

And this: Russia will never stop wave tactics, for operational and doctrinal reasonsl but also for a psychological reason: they want to destroy the Ukrainians' belief that it will ever end, that the Russian could not endlessly sustain that. Its about discouraging and psychological wear-down. Preventing Ukrainians to see a light at the end of the tunnel.Ukraine had always less artillery but now outgun Russia it is Ukraine that wears out Russia for the last months Russia losses are huge. Russian Criminal Battalion Storm-Z according to Russian military bloggers, complete units have been decimated recently. Storm-Z cannot match Wagner they are sent forward without any artillery cover often with insufficient weapons and ammunition get no support from tanks or the artillery. The result is that 40 to 70 percent of the men are eliminated within days. So you think cannon meat only with a Kalashnikov or only a shovel to dig their grave against tanks, guns and drones can win this war. In fact, this is a clear waste of quite motivated personnel that if you train them properly arm them properly and give them support on the front they could achieve much more now they are not conquering a meter. Same as the Russian artillery doctrine, this fails Storm-Z criminal battalions are deployed to force a breakthrough when an offensive threatens to stall that is a sign Russia can no longer mount an offensive. Russia shaping this offensive for months, it resulted in a defeat after 2 weeks Russia with it huge stocks of equipment, ammunition and thousands of personnel gives me no impression it will ever win this and at some point in the coming years will settle for a deal to leave Ukraine.

mapuc

11-01-23, 04:25 PM

Dargo

11-01-23, 04:35 PM

^ Seem to recall similar words some month before Bakhmut was surrounded and taken.

Yes they have huge losses, however they take a bit everyday around Avdiivka

As I wrote before..It doesn't matter whether they lose 50, 100 or 150.000 men in surrounding Avdiivka. They may end with 10.000 left and still they will see this as a victory.

MarkusSituation around Bakhmut was different and Wagner lost 10-30 thousand around this city Wagner is no more and there is no other who could fight it was Wagner that won Bakhmut not the Russian regular army. Storm-Z is not lead or equipped like Wagner, they will not save this offensive the Russian army already lost here and has only a couple of weeks till they cannot push forward (weather) and Storm-Z meat has also mothers, fathers, wives and kids so can not think how they gone sell this as a victory if they do not conquer the city.

mapuc

11-01-23, 05:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rhpcgc2FvQ&ab_channel=UkraineMatters

Markus

Skybird

11-01-23, 07:03 PM

Russia could have higher losses than Ukraine - and Ukraine's losses still beign more hurting Ukraine than Russin losses hurt Russia.

Since months it get posted how terrible a beating Russia gets, how triumphantly Ukraine wins battle for battle, and how everything works against Russia. If that would be true: why has the ofensiove bogged own, why has there been nbo operaitonbal breakthrough, why has ther ebeen no strategically relevant goain of land for Ukraine, why are Ukrainian tanks and armies not rolling at will through the prairie, why is Ukrainian critical and infrastructure and villages hit every night, wjy is the ring around Avidivkas slowly, slwoly closing, and why are the Russians still holding their linesx depsite their of so deicisve losses? Where are the Ukrainian reserves and brigades when their elosses have not eaten them up badly?

Not only Russia runs propaganda, Dargo. Ukraine does it, too.

I can only once again recommend the sober, realistic assessments by Austrian Colonel Reisner. Since the war began he has not changed his clam, sober, not emotionally spiking tone, and I think his assessments are spot on. I dont think that Zelensky's propaganda apparatus is happy with him. Even when the world and we and I become a bit more enthusiastic when Ukraine took Robotyne, he kept is understated assessmsents and remained sceptical. And he was - once again - proven right. No comparison to certain Australian and British and American militaries who time and again were wrong in their 3-6 months predictions.

The war is currently a war of attrition. And that is in Russia's vaour, it can endure that longer than Ukraine. Ukraine ahd to move forces form tis former southern offensive region to the East. Their offensive stalled, is done. And I have no clue where they want to get another twelve attack brigades prepared to try again next year. As I see it, the retaking of Crimea currently is more illusory than it was before this offensive. When earlier this year former Gneerla Hidges said he thinks its possible that they retake Crimea by the end of this year or so, my first thought was: "He's on dope."

Its a propaganda war fought from BOTH sides. Dont fall for it.

Skybird

11-01-23, 07:17 PM

This is General Zalushnyi himself. A happy man sounds differently. No word on retaking ground and freeing Crimea.

https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2023/11/01/the-commander-in-chief-of-ukraines-armed-forces-on-how-to-win-the-war

Jimbuna

11-02-23, 06:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Rf2Ds5u04

Exocet25fr

11-02-23, 07:15 AM

Ukraine’s top general admits Russia has the advantage!

Valery Zaluzhny has told The Economist that the conflict has reached a WW1-style stalemate, but Moscow has superior numbers. Ukraine will not make any progress in its fight against Russia unless some new technology emerges to give it a decisive advantage, the country’s top military commander, General Valery Zaluzny, told The Economist this week. He conceded, without the appearance of a 'wunderwaffe,' that Moscow is in the better position, given its larger population and greater resources.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586406-zaluzhny-ukraine-stalemate-economist/

Russia’s gold reserves hit record high!

The country has the largest bullion stockpile among emerging economies, according to data cited by the news agency. Russia’s gold bullion reserves reached an all-time high in September, RIA Novosti reported on Thursday, citing data from the world’s central banks. According to the news agency’s calculations, Russia increased its gold reserves by 2% in September, bringing the total volume of the precious metal in its coffers to 2,360 tons, the largest amount in the country’s modern history.

https://www.rt.com/business/586412-russia-gold-reserves-record-high/

West hurting itself with sanctions – Putin!

Russia's president said the restrictions have failed to tank the nation's economy. The Western sanctions on Russia have backfired and hurt the countries that imposed them instead, President Vladimir Putin said during a government meeting on Wednesday. “Over the past years, our so-called partners have adopted countless packages of sanctions… trying to punish us. However, in the end – it’s a completely obvious thing – the statistics show that they have hit their own economies, their own jobs,” Putin said.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586388-putin-sanctions-hurting-west/

Jimbuna

11-02-23, 07:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7k4fSiBL8o

Dargo

11-02-23, 12:27 PM

Ukrainian general Zaluzhny sees stalemate developing and rates chances of major breakthrough at front low
Without technological innovations, Ukraine is not going to succeed in getting the Russian occupiers out of the country, argues the country's top military officer, General Valeri Zaluzhny. If the war reaches an impasse, it will be to the Russians' advantage. What Ukraine's Western allies have feared for several months has now been confirmed by the commander-in-chief of Ukraine's armed forces: the counteroffensive against the Russian occupier is unlikely to lead to the breakthrough that had been hoped for.

After the start of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in June, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, General Valeri Zaluzhny, appealed several times to their allies and arms suppliers in the West to remain patient when quick successes on the front failed to materialize. In a candid interview with The Economist, Zaluzhny said for the first time that there is an impasse in the war. According to him, there will most likely be "no deep and beautiful breakthrough." Zaluzhny, widely respected in Ukraine, actually notes that the technological level at which the two sides are currently waging war is such that they can hardly drive each other away with the conventional weapons available. The war of movement Ukraine had hoped for has de facto bogged down in trench warfare, Zaluzhny says. It reminds him of the situation a century ago, in World War I.

Breaking the impasse in the war, according to Zaluzhny, can only be achieved by concretely improving Ukraine's fighting strength at the front in a number of ways. In an essay by Zaluzhny that The Economist also published Monday, the army commander lists his main points. Ukraine must gain air superiority, including with the help of the promised F-16s, but also with drones that can defuse Russian air defences and better protect Ukrainian troops from air attacks; an increase in electronic warfare capabilities, especially to make Russian air attacks more difficult; a significant improvement in Ukraine's strike capability against Russian artillery - if only because, according to Zaluzhny, HIMARS missiles are running out and precision-guided Excalibur shells have become much less accurate due to the Russians' electronic warfare; and new equipment and ammunition to more quickly and efficiently defuse Russia's vast minefields.

It is just a sampling of what Zaluzhny wants, on top of the existing arms aid Ukraine already receives from the West. But the course of the much-discussed counteroffensive makes it clear that the Western aid Ukraine has received so far is not enough to drive out the Russians, or comes too late to make a difference. For example, Zaluzhny waited months for Western tanks and long-range missiles, and Kyiv is still waiting for F-16s. Since the beginning of the Ukrainian counteroffensive, it recaptured chunks of territory from the Russians along the southern front lines in Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk, and after the capture of the village of Robotyne, a breakthrough seemed imminent, but deeper than about seventeen kilometres the Ukrainian advance does not yet reach. The Sea of Azov is still almost a hundred kilometres away. Ambitious plans to break through toward Crimea, or even as far as the "land bridge" the Russians have created to the south between Mariupol and the occupied peninsula, seemed overly optimistic by mid-summer.

Zalushny's troops were actually stranded in front of an indestructible wall the Russians had erected with vast minefields, an extensive network of trenches and underground tunnels, and more mines. Sustained artillery shelling and Russian air superiority made every Ukrainian manoeuvre a dangerous operation. In the counterattack around Bakhmut, the army of Ukraine faces similar obstacles. And the reverse is no different: it took the Russians almost a year to take the relatively small Bakhmut, at the cost of colossal losses.

One of the biggest problems, according to Zaluzhny, is that the use of drones allows both sides to track virtually every movement of the enemy in real time, including troop concentrations or a column of armoured vehicles. For example, during the bloody Russian attack on Avdiivka recently, he saw on a monitor how "140 Russian machines were on fire - destroyed within four hours of coming within range of our artillery." The Russians who fled were pursued by remote-controlled Ukrainian drones equipped with cameras and explosives. Conversely, when the Ukrainians go on the attack, it is no different, Zaluzhny said. Even with Western-made tanks. "The simple fact is that we see everything the enemy does, and they see everything we do. To break that, we need something new, like the gunpowder that the Chinese invented and that we still use to kill each other."

In the interview with The Economist, Zaluzhny frankly admits that he had estimated the course of the counteroffensive differently. According to him, the Ukrainian army should be able to advance at 30 kilometres per hour after taking down the Russian defences. "If you read the NATO manuals and make the calculations, as we did, four months should have been enough for us to reach Crimea, fight in Crimea, return, and move in again," Zaluzny said. When the breakthrough failed for a long time and his troops remained stuck around the Russian minefields, the general began to have doubts. "First, I that something was wrong with our commanders, so I replaced some of them. Then I thought maybe our soldiers were not ready for this operation, so I started rotating soldiers in some brigades." But even those interventions made no difference at the front; it gradually led Zaluzhny to the realization that technological development on both warring sides led to stalemate. In addition, he acknowledged that he underestimated how many losses the Russians were willing to take. Zaluzhny assumed that huge Russian losses on the battlefield would force Moscow to abandon the war. "That was my mistake. At least 150,000 people were killed on Russia's side. In any other country, such numbers of casualties would have ended the war."

What now threatens is a long war, with two sides that are actually equally strong, and can hit and exhaust each other hard, but not defeat each other. A long war, according to Zaluzhny, generally favours one of the warring parties. In this case, it benefits the Russians. "Because it gives them the opportunity to recover and rebuild its military power." https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/11/02/oekraiense-generaal-zaloezjny-ziet-een-patstelling-ontstaan-en-schat-kansen-op-een-grote-doorbraak-aan-het-front-laag-in-a4179507

MODERN POSITIONAL WARFARE AND HOW TO WIN IN IT (https://infographics.economist.com/2023/ExternalContent/ZALUZHNYI_FULL_VERSION.pdf) by Valerii Zaluzhnyi Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kyiv, Ukraine

Jimbuna

11-02-23, 12:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJtCz_APA5o

mapuc

11-02-23, 01:26 PM

Dargo

11-02-23, 01:50 PM

Some while ago someone in this thread wrote to me how many millions of Russian living in Russia.

Well this made me think and I came up with some questions to this.

1. How many percentage of the Russian population is men over 18 and under 60 years of age?
2. How many of these men in percentage is fit for the military ?
3. Is the Russian woman active in the military, like they are in the Israeli military ?

Markus

From data of 2018 about 17-20 million.
Russia's men are not so healthy, majority live in harsh and poor conditions, so alcohol use is high do not expect those above 35 are fit or the military.
Russian women are active in the military but not on the fronts, more in support functions. The risk they are being raped is high in Russian army and no commander will help them either more they stand first in the line.

If you can not train, equip, lead and support those military numbers does not matter Russia has over 400K in Ukraine the state of this army is so bad it can only advance meters instead of kilometres. If you need more than 6 months to take a city, your army is ineffective.

mapuc

11-02-23, 02:07 PM

Dargo

11-02-23, 02:17 PM

The battle for Avdiivka vs The battle for Bakhmut. Ukrainian military expert, veteran of Aidar Battalion Yevhen Dykyi gave his view on what is happening in Avdiivka right now and about comparing Avdiivka and Bakhmut:

Q: You compared the situation with Bakhmut, but the Russian military never managed to encircle Bakhmut, and they were taking Bakhmut precisely because there were combat encounters, and they went head-on to the Ukrainian troops. Now the situation in Avdiivka is not the same.

A: You remember absolutely correctly. This is exactly how it was. They were not able to encircle Bakhmut completely, although they were in such a situation as they are now with the Avdiivka highway. That is, they had already shelled all the routes, but they were not able to encircle them to the end, to close the pincers. And they were really pushing out our defenders literally block by block, house by house. I have many friends who fought in Bakhmut at that time. There were battles there, when sometimes one entrance of the house was ours, and the other was already enemy. That is, the positions were in neighboring basements, for example. I didn't hear about hand-to-hand combat, but hand grenades were thrown into each other's windows - it came to such fights there. These were very close, terrible street battles.
But let's take two differences into account.

The first difference between Bakhmut and Avdiivka: there was no industrial zone in Bakhmut, not even close. Bakhmut was mostly just an ordinary town. There was nothing similar to Avdiivka industrial zone there or Azovstal. And the second difference is the difference in reserves. Let me remind you that Russians pressed on Bakhmut for 10 months with these meat assaults. And in order for it to be successful, they had to mobilize 50 thousand convicts in the GULAG alone, to throw them all at Bakhmut, besides the usual army units. That is, it was in addition to the army units, not instead of them. But as far as I can tell, the Russian command is unlikely to have 50,000 convicts to throw at Avdiivka alone. Although "Storm Z" in Avdiivka has already been spotted." https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1720119845205725190

mapuc

11-02-23, 02:28 PM

Thanks for sharing this interesting read. I do not change my mind. Ukraine should start to think about retreat/withdraw from Avdiivka.

The Russians is pressing on despite huge losses in men and material.

The speed they have the Russians it may take many month before they have surrounded the town.

Will they succeed in this ? Something tells me they will, but with massive losses.

Markus

Dargo

11-02-23, 02:28 PM

^ Thank you Dargo.

Many have said Ukraine can't win this war-well either can Russia

Someone wrote that time was on Russian side, Even I thought so and still does somehow.

Could it be so that in fact time is more on the Ukrainian side.

Right now there seems to be a stalemate at some areas of the front. I wonder if this isn't gonna change in favor for the Ukrainians, except some places where Russia will take ground with massive losses.

I say that Ukraine should start thinking about withdraw their troops from Avdiivka

MarkusRussia has gains, but also Ukraine has gains think that evens it up for Avdiivka no see my post ^ like Bakmut Avdiivka can be used to waste Russian military let them send reserves to the slaughterhouse defending is easyer than attacking. Traditionally, it is accepted that a defending force has a 3:1 advantage over an attacker. In other words, a defending force can hold off three times its own number of attackers. Think it is higher with these meat waves, maybe higher than 5:1.

Thanks for sharing this interesting read. I do not change my mind. Ukraine should start to think about retreat/withdraw from Avdiivka.

The Russians is pressing on despite huge losses in men and material.

The speed they have the Russians it may take many month before they have surrounded the town.

Will they succeed in this ? Something tells me they will, but with massive losses.

MarkusDo not think they will succeed, they have only 2-3 weeks till weather will be so bad that advancing with armour will not be possible than it is waiting for colder weather in the meantime they must bring in new troops that are not good trained, under equipped, and with ineffective supply lines taking Avdiivka will take longer than Bakhmut. Ukraine can send their reserves there they need not fear Russia will attack elsewhere because defence lines are great to defend, but an offensive will not happen there do not think that they know where they dropped all their mines either so Russia has mined their own offensive on those places by +10-fold. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIvaiKjX7Xg

Dargo

11-02-23, 03:47 PM

mapuc

11-02-23, 04:30 PM

We think the US is going to withdraw support in the future but is it not the military complex boss here they love this war they earn a lot from this so do you think they're going to miss all that money they can earn in the coming years in the Ukraine Russia war?

They the military complex is putting pressure on the Politicians in both Congress and Senate, so they keep on sending weapons to Ukraine.

Markus

Dargo

11-02-23, 04:37 PM

They the military complex is putting pressure on the Politicians in both Congress and Senate, so they keep on sending weapons to Ukraine.

MarkusThey got the money to lube the way :D

https://i.postimg.cc/rwWyqSYZ/thisistheway.jpg

Jimbuna

11-03-23, 07:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOm-4j2pKNg

Jimbuna

11-03-23, 07:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR78fsbafuo

Exocet25fr

11-03-23, 09:38 AM

Western nations ‘changing tune’ on defeating Russia – Putin!

The stronger the nation is, the less its enemies will be trying to hurt it, the Russian president said. Western nations, who previously insisted that Ukraine should defeat Russia on the battlefield, are gradually changing their position, President Vladimir Putin noted on Friday. “They are changing their tune now, saying different things,” the Russian leader told members of the Civic Chamber, a civil society body tasked with consulting the government on policymaking. “They (EU nations) excluded our energy. So what? What is the result? Our GDP will grow [up to] 3% this year, and the leading European economies are shrinking,” he noted.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586503-putin-victory-ukraine-enemies/

Ukraine ‘going badly’ for US – Trump!

The former president noted that the media no longer talks about Kiev’s conflict with Moscow, suggesting that it’s trying to distract from failures. Former US President Donald Trump has suggested that things are “going badly” for the US in Ukraine, which he claimed was proven out by the fact that the media has stopped producing extensive coverage of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Speaking at a rally in Houston, Texas on Thursday, Trump told his supporters that the “fake news media” generally doesn’t like to cover things that aren’t going well for Washington, and that this was the case with Afghanistan amid the disastrous US withdrawal from the country in 2021.

https://www.rt.com/news/586493-trump-us-ukraine-bad/

Everyone in Ukraine must serve – security chief!

Aleksey Danilov’s statement comes as Moscow estimates Kiev’s losses in botched counteroffensive at more than 90,000 soldiers. No Ukrainian citizen should be exempt from serving their country and helping it in the conflict with Russia, Aleksey Danilov, Secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council, has insisted. In an interview with media outlet Liga on Thursday, Danilov described the idea that every Ukrainian “has to fight a war or perform a service” as a “fundamental truth.” “One should not be surprised. We live in a rather complicated world where we have to defend our country with a crazy neighbor nearby,” he added.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586484-everyone-must-serve-ukraine/

Russia launches huge drone attack on Ukraine infrastructure; Moscow dismisses U.S. sanctions!

Russia launched a huge drone attack in the early hours of Friday morning, striking critical infrastructure in parts of southern and western Ukraine, according to the Ukrainian Air Force. The air force said on Telegram that it had shot down 24 "Shahed" drones out of "four dozen" launched from Kursk and Primorsko-Akhtarsk in Russia, while a Kh-59 guided air missile had also been launched from occupied Kherson.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/03/live-updates-latest-news-on-russia-and-the-war-in-ukraine.html

Jimbuna

11-03-23, 12:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWDIByOkuvY

Dargo

11-03-23, 01:46 PM

New US military aid package announced today. Total of $125 million to meet Ukraine's immediate battlefield needs, as well as $300 million in Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funds to strengthen Ukraine's air defences over the long term. https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3578754/biden-administration-announces-new-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

Additional munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
155mm and 105mm artillery rounds;
Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles;
Javelin and AT-4 anti-armor systems;
More than 3 million rounds of small arms ammunition and grenades;
Demolitions munitions for obstacle clearing;
M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
12 trucks to transport heavy equipment;
Cold weather gear; and
Spare parts, maintenance, and other field equipment.

Under USAI, the DoD will provide Ukraine with:

Additional laser-guided munitions to counter Unmanned Aerial Systems.

The Dutch government is releasing 500 million euros to purchase munitions (artillery shells and ammunition) for Ukraine. This was announced by resigned Defence Minister Kajsa Ollongren on Thursday during a visit to the country. The ammunition would be delivered between now and the middle of next year. The Hague wants to continue providing a "constant flow of certain ammunition" because "you can only sustain the fight if they know that we keep sending these things through," Ollongren said. The Dutch defence minister met with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Ukraine's capital Kyiv on Thursday. The Netherlands already released a total of more than 2 billion euros for military support to Ukraine in the fight against Russia.

Russia has formed a battalion composed of Ukrainian prisoners of war. The Bohdan Chmelnytsky battalion, named after a Ukrainian Cossack leader, consists of 70 to 80 captured Ukrainian servicemen, according to Russian state media. They will soon be sent to the front in Ukraine, according to Moscow. Using prisoners of war for military purposes goes against the Geneva Convention, which is the basis of humanitarian law of war. "Prisoners of war may not be forced to do military or dangerous work," dictates the 1949 convention text. But, the commander in charge earlier claimed to Russian state news agency Ria Novosti, the dozens of Ukrainians have reported "voluntarily." They are also said to have accepted Russian passports. "I took an oath to Russia because I want Ukrainians and Russians to be united as one people," a defector droned on in an interview published yesterday. Establishing that humanitarian law of war is being violated is difficult, says associate professor of international criminal law Marieke de Hoon. "How do you determine whether someone defected entirely voluntarily, or whether there was coercion or brainwashing? Or that it's the only chance to avoid torture or worse?" Russia is estimated to be holding several thousand Ukrainian POWs. "It may be the case that someone actually wants to defect and Russia is providing that opportunity," De Hoon said. The American think tank ISW assumes that the POWs were "presumably forced" into conscription.

Incidentally, last week, Ukraine also set up a battalion consisting exclusively of Russian citizens. The "Siberian Battalion," according to Ukrainian military intelligence, consists of Russians who travelled to Ukraine via a third country. They are said to be mainly ethnic minorities, who oppose Moscow. And an important detail: the battalion says it does not recruit prisoners of war.

Germany's military support for Ukraine will continue at least until 2032. Germany has already earmarked funding for Ukraine in its budget planning until 2032, Bundeswehr Major General Christian Freuding said in a Nov. 3 interview with the German news outlet Stuttgarter Nachrichten.

Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba met with Armin Papperger, CEO of German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall, in Berlin, discussing ways to strengthen the alliance of German and Ukrainian defence industries. "Ukraine will have more weapons and ammunition to defend itself, protect civilians and infrastructure from Russian attacks," Kuleba said.

Berlin has updated its list of military aid to Ukraine, promising to deliver to the Ukrainian Armed Forces 25 more Leopard 1A5 tanks, the website of the German government reported on Nov. 1. Germany will supply a total of 115 Leopard 1A5s to Ukraine as part of a project co-financed by Denmark and Netherlands. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces received 12 armoured personnel carriers, two TRML-4D air surveillance radars, seven Primoco ONE reconnaissance drones, and five undisclosed surface vessels from Germany.

Skybird

11-03-23, 03:34 PM

The last Leopard-1A5s the German were supplying, were in such shabby state and would have needed so much repair that Ukraine rejected them...

Dargo

11-03-23, 04:51 PM

The last Leopard-1A5s the German were supplying, were in such shabby state and would have needed so much repair that Ukraine rejected them...That were only 10 that needed repairs out of +110 dunno what you want with this, but Germany is a big supplier and can only gain from this war I do not give an f...k about politics every support how small to Ukraine every bullet send counts or other support is appreciated and applauded.

mapuc

11-03-23, 04:59 PM

That were only 10 that needed repairs out of +110 dunno what you want with this, but Germany is a big supplier and can only gain from this war I do not give an f...k about politics every support how small to Ukraine every bullet send counts or other support is appreciated and applauded.

Tried to find the article, without any success.

It was about Ukraine who should have said thanks but no thanks to these Leopard 1 tank. It was something with they weren't as good as the newer type Leopard 2. It wasn't any match for the T72.

Can of course have remembered wrong though.

But you are 110 % right They appreciate every ammo and other material they get from us.

Markus

Dargo

11-03-23, 05:07 PM

Tried to find the article, without any success.

It was about Ukraine who should have said thanks but no thanks to these Leopard 1 tank. It was something with they weren't as good as the newer type Leopard 2. It wasn't any match for the T72.

Can of course have remembered wrong though.

But you are 110 % right They appreciate every ammo and other material they get from us.

Markushttps://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-rejected-10-german-leopard-tanks-over-repair-issues-report-2023-9?international=true&r=US&IR=T

There are countries that only give non-military support and that is OK because this can not be won only on the fronts Ukraine needs every help medical, humanitarian or economic support is as important as military support.

mapuc

11-03-23, 05:19 PM

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-rejected-10-german-leopard-tanks-over-repair-issues-report-2023-9?international=true&r=US&IR=T

There are countries that only give non-military support and that is OK because this can not be won only on the fronts Ukraine needs every help medical, humanitarian or economic support is as important as military support.

Denmark is doing that too-Beside sending military stuff, they also send medical help. Seem to recall something with a story about a MASH unit(Without doctors and nurses)
It could also be an another country who have send this to Ukraine.

On this Leopard discussion-You were right-It was only these ten tanks they said no thanks to.

Markus

Dargo

11-03-23, 05:24 PM

Denmark is doing that too-Beside sending military stuff, they also send medical help. Seem to recall something with a story about a MASH unit(Without doctors and nurses)
It could also be an another country who have send this to Ukraine.

On this Leopard discussion-You were right-It was only these ten tanks they said no thanks to.

MarkusThose tanks are being repaired if I recall right, they were rejected because Ukraine can not do that itself

No fall in international aid to Ukraine even as world’s attention switches to Israel-Hamas war
Ukraine has not seen a reduction in international aid amid the war between Israel and Hamas, Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said in an interview with German broadcaster ZDF on Nov. 2. Ukraine hopes the situation in the Middle East will not further escalate, but “circumstances can change,” Kuleba said. “The most important capitals very clearly understand what is at stake — both in Ukraine and in the Middle East,” he added. Kuleba stressed that the issue was about much more than security in these parts of the world.

On Oct. 13, Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis also called on the international community to keep its focus on Ukraine and its fight against Russia's invasion, even amid the escalation caused by Hamas's attacks on Israel. On Oct. 12, U.S. Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin reiterated the U.S. intention and ability to help Ukraine and Israel simultaneously. https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukraine-reports-no-decrease-in-international-aid-amid-israel-hamas-war-50365483.html

Fellas, Putin found our sex tunnels its over :damn:
https://i.postimg.cc/Jn0qL7QM/sextunnels.jpg

August

11-03-23, 08:28 PM

Amerikan woman, said get away
Amerikan woman, listen what I say
Don't come a hangin' around my door
Don't want to see your face no more
I don't need your war machines
I don't need your ghetto scenes
Colored lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes

Now woman, I said get away
Amerikan woman, listen what I say-ay-ay-ay!

Jimbuna

11-04-23, 06:34 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBRO7omaprU

Skybird

11-04-23, 07:02 AM

Jimbuna

11-04-23, 07:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPTZdU03jDE

Dargo

11-04-23, 09:37 AM

The prospects for Ukraine are becoming increasingly bleak. And they know it. Except for Zelensky, who doesn't want to believe it.

https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/ukraine-krieg-sieg-niederlage-wolodymyr-selenskyj-mitarbeiter-einblick-offensive-zr-92654568.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wappThis does not mean that Ukrainians are preparing to give up the fight. Despite calls from certain circles to end the war by trading “land for peace,” no one offering up such abstract ideas has adequately explained how any sort of signed document could satisfy the aggressor. In this conflict: a Kremlin regime that appears as determined as ever to annihilate Ukrainian statehood, regardless of the cost to its own subjects’ security and well-being Ukrainians are not ignorant of the fact that their choice is not between war and peace, but between war and Bucha. And yet, their war effort is not aided by ignoring the serious shortcomings in the provision of Western aid, nor by ignoring the Zelenskyy administration’s failures to investigate ongoing instances of corruption, nor by ignoring the growing dissatisfaction of soldiers preparing to spend a second winter in a trench while their friends back home dodge recruiting officers If Ukraine is to prevail in its struggle for national survival, it will require significantly more foreign aid—both financial and material. However, with martial law likely to postpone democratic elections in Ukraine for as long as the fighting continues, outside political pressure remains the best available means for guaranteeing that the Zelenskyy government puts those aid dollars to the best possible use. @shustry's message may not have come as welcome news to cheerleaders of Ukraine located thousands of miles away from the nearest Russian minefield, but under the circumstances, more articles like his are going to be necessary in order to ensure that the Ukrainians doing the fighting—both on the battlefield and in civil society—receive the full measure of support from their servants of the people back in Kyiv. https://twitter.com/michael_wasiura/status/1720203913603715217

Zelenskyy's character is a reflection of the people of Ukraine. Their resilience and stubbornness to fight even when the odds are against them is what pushes them to stay in the war same as they did in their Revolution of Dignity they will never give up their freedom they rather die for it, there is no choice for him Zelenskyy is no autocratic leader that can end this that some are not pleased with him is more politics they can solve this by democratic means. Ukraine has not lost this war because an offensive did not go according to the plans, Russia has lost more offensives in this war and is still losing. At some point in time, every war end at the negotiation table, but this will not mean Ukraine is lost. I have thought carefully in these last days whether it was part of my duty to consider entering into negotiations with That Man (Hitler). But it was idle to think that, if we tried to make peace now, we should get better terms than if we fought it out. The Germans would demand our – that would be called disarmament – our naval bases, and much else. We should become a slave state, though a British Government which would be Hitler's puppet would be set up – under Mosley or some such person. And where should we be at the end of all that? On the other side, we have immense reserves and advantages. And I am convinced that every one of you would rise up and tear me down from my place if I were for one moment to contemplate parley or surrender. If this long island story of ours is to end at last, let it end only when each one of us lies choking in his own blood upon the ground.There occurred a demonstration which considered te character of the gathering – twenty-five experienced politicians and Parliament men, who represented all the different points of view, whether right or wrong, before the war – surprised me. Quite a number seemed to jump up from the table and come running to my chair, shouting and patting me on the back. There is no doubt that had I at this juncture faltered at all in the leading of the nation I should have been hurled out of office. I was sure that every Minister was ready to be killed quite soon, and have all his family and possessions destroyed, rather than give in. In this they represented the House of Commons and almost all the people.

mapuc

11-04-23, 10:39 AM

Every war ends at the negotiation table.

True and in this case it has to be a negotiation by terms of surrender for the Russians military.

Markus

Jimbuna

11-04-23, 11:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tup4xyqEDzQ

Skybird

11-04-23, 04:00 PM

Every war ends at the negotiation table.

True and in this case it has to be a negotiation by terms of surrender for the Russians military.

I cannot see that. Russia holds up it strategic goals. They have no reason to feel defeated or wanting to surrender. Time is on their side. Zelushnyji recently revealed that he has no illusions on that anymore. What he in principle said without explicitly putting it into words is that if no miracle happens and support from the west radically goes up, Ukraine is loosing the war to Russia's numerical superiority in reserves, people, industry size. For the very reasons that Colonel Reisner explains since over one year, and that I nag about, too. Zelushnji did what he could before and during this war, and he really showed some military and organisational and operational genius. But even he cooks his coffee just with normal water only.

Dargo

11-04-23, 04:38 PM

I cannot see that. Russia holds up it strategic goals. They have no reason to feel defeated or wanting to surrender. Time is on their side. Zelushnyji recently revealed that he has no illusions on that anymore. What he in principle said without explicitly putting it into words is that if no miracle happens and support from the west radically goes up, Ukraine is loosing the war to Russia's numerical superiority in reserves, people, industry size. For the very reasons that Colonel Reisner explains since over one year, and that I nag about, too. Zelushnji did what he could before and during this war, and he really showed some military and organisational and operational genius. But even he cooks his coffee just with normal water only.Roughly speaking, there are two variants, the first being a grand financial and industrial project, using the strength of Western economies to defeat Russian productive strength. The second is accelerated NATO membership for Ukraine as the only real guarantee to stop Russian attacks. Followed by accelerated EU membership. In doing so, Kyiv would then have to accept as West Germany did during the Cold War that occupied territory is temporarily lost.

Whether either of these variants is feasible in the foreseeable future is completely uncertain. It depends on how the war develops, and on what Ukraine wants. The country owes its survival to its own fighting spirit and will do anything not to be subjected to a cruel, nihilistic regime. With or without Western support. Plodding on without a viable strategic end goal is thus a real third variant. And a fourth scenario, Ukraine losing ground with crumbling Western support while more cities are reduced to ashes, also remains a possibility.

Skybird

11-04-23, 05:06 PM

Roughly speaking, there are two variants, the first being a grand financial and industrial project, using the strength of Western economies to defeat Russian productive strength.
Unrealistic. Will not materialize. Europe already is split right now. And the trenches widen.

The second is accelerated NATO membership for Ukraine as the only real guarantee to stop Russian attacks. You must be crazy if you mean that serious, thats like sending an official declaration of war from NATO to Russia, and it should be clear where this street leads to.

Followed by accelerated EU membership. No, they must meet qualification criteria like everybody else, the EU has already troubles enough and cannot need a new member bringing additional problems into the block, not even mentioning the massive re-shifting of power balances form West to East . Membership yes - when they have met all the criteria that everybody else had to meet. That means accelerated membership only when they accelerated their meeting of said criteria first. No shortcuts.

We must not shoot ourselves in the foot just by meaning it too well with somebody else. We have taken illegitimate shortcuts already way too often in the EU, and see where it got us. Corrupted legal standards, mad ideological demands and general weakness towards the outside of the block.

In doing so, Kyiv would then have to accept as West Germany did during the Cold War that occupied territory is temporarily lost."Temporarily." :) Its the heart of their heavy industry and mines and much of their fertile grounds and corn treasury, and a total Russian surveillance of their air space and naval shipping lines. Its questionable they can survive economcially and financially without these regions. Not when needing to cope with the heavy human losses they have experienced in dead and migrated. There will be distortions in economic and social and psychological meanings that so far nobody seems to have imagined relastic. Call it a national trauma.

Dargo

11-04-23, 05:35 PM

Unrealiostic. Will not materialize. Europe already is split right now.Split? 2 countries of 28 are being difficult is not a majority the biggest European military complex is committed to this war they are of power than 2 former tiny USSR satellites.
You must be crazy if you mean that serious, thats like sending an official declaration of war from NATO to Russia, and it should be clear where this street leads to.I am not crazy this is EU/NATO speaking I am also not so worried about Russia military of what I have seen in Ukraine you are really serious that Russia is capable of successful attack NATO where it can not gain any military win in Ukraine you are dreaming.
No, they must meet qualification criteria like everybody else, the EU has already troubles enough and cannot need a new member bringing additional problems into the block, not even mentioning the massive re-shifting of power balances form West to East . Membership yes - when they have met all the criteria that everybody else had to meet. That means accelerated membership only when they accelerated their meeting of said criteria first. No shortcuts.

We must not shoot ourselves in the foot just by meaning it too well with somebody else. We have taken illegitimate shortcuts already way too often in the EU, and see where it got us. Corrupted legal standards, mad ideological demands and general weakness towards the outside of the block.I bet you in near future Ukraine and Moldavia gets a special membership kind of status it is the only way to stop Russia Ukraine belongs to our space not theirs this the way the EU wants it. "I am confident that you can achieve your ambitious goal of taking the historic decision to start the accession process this year" said EU Commission President von der Leyen in Ukraine parliament 4 November 2023. Ukraine makes “excellent progress” toward EU, Von der Leyen says in surprise visit to Kyiv (https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/11/04/ukraine-makes-excellent-progress-toward-eu-von-der-leyen-says-in-surprise-visit-to-kyiv/)
"Temporarily." :) Its the heart of their heavy industry and mines and much of their fertile grounds and corn treasury, and a total Russian surveillance of their air space and naval shipping lines. Its questionable they can survive economcially and financially without these regions. Not when needing to cope with the heavy human losses they have experienced in dead and migrated. There will be distortions in economic and social and psychological meanings that so far nobody seems to have imagined relastic. Call it a national trauma.Ukraine has control of the water supply of these fertile grounds these heavy industry and mines are destroyed it will cost Russia much to rebuild what they have destroyed and fun fact Ukraine economy has grown despite the war think your doom economics clearly missed this. Their airspace and naval shipping will be secured by the west we're already giving them a navy, all of our older marine will end up in the Black Sea do not think we will not be doing this we have already done it before the invasion, and we already said we will send the naval support like we will send the planes. No matter what it cost, the pro Ukraine faction in Europe will deliver.

Dargo

11-04-23, 05:58 PM

The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that Ukrainian cruise missiles damaged a ship located in a shipyard in Kerch, a city in Russian-occupied Crimea, Russian state-controlled media reported on Nov. 4

Earlier tonight, Sergey Aksyonov, head of the illegal Russian occupation government in Ukraine's Crimea, wrote on Telegram that air defence was at work near a shipyard in the city of Kerch. Debris from one of the intercepted missiles fell onto one of the dry docks, Aksyonov added. There are no reported casualties. The Russian MOD later claimed that the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a strike with 15 cruise missiles at a shipbuilding plant in Kerch. 13 cruise missiles were reportedly shot down by air defence, and a ship was damaged as a result of being hit by a missile.

Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk also announced that Ukrainian forces targeted a Russian ship carrying Kalibr missiles in a strike on Russian-occupied Crimea. At the time of the announcement, Ukraine's Air Force was still waiting for official confirmation of the results. https://kyivindependent.com/update-ukrainian-forces-damage-ship-in-crimea/

mapuc

11-04-23, 06:30 PM

Jimbuna

11-05-23, 06:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRHWebbHg5E

Jimbuna

11-05-23, 07:57 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II1YmvMGhFI

Jimbuna

11-06-23, 07:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmSV3YQAY8g

Jimbuna

11-06-23, 08:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GGL5IixXs

UglyMowgli

11-06-23, 02:09 PM

Video of the cruise missile attack on the Russian frigate in Kerch harbor.

https://youtu.be/CQnM7L7SSZA (https://youtu.be/CQnM7L7SSZA)

https://i.imgur.com/kvNRyf8.jpg

Jimbuna

11-07-23, 06:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-WdcmxQXYk

Jimbuna

11-08-23, 06:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djF2dt-WLR8

Jimbuna

11-08-23, 06:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IEuzp7VJoE

Catfish

11-08-23, 04:25 PM

My heart bleeds :haha:
I wonder what he said in some of his insignifiant tiktok videos to get this prize
(maybe Exocet is next?)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67355430?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_bbc_team=editorial

Exocet25fr

11-09-23, 04:34 AM

No! , I'm sorry but I'm too much old for fighting..........:salute:

On the other hand, I'm always able to vote for..............Marine LEPEN of course!, actually she is on the TOP!

Ne vous en déplaise, petit poisson! :D

Jimbuna

11-09-23, 05:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O40MCy0xRA

Jimbuna

11-09-23, 06:23 AM

Exocet25fr

11-09-23, 07:16 AM

No American money left for Ukraine – USAID

Kiev faces economic collapse if new funding isn’t approved, an official has warned US lawmakers. The US government agency overseeing Washington’s humanitarian relief program for Ukraine has warned lawmakers that funding has run out, putting Kiev at risk of economic ruin if more money isn’t allocated amid the former Soviet republic’s conflict with Russia. “We have no more direct budget support,” Erin McKee, an assistant administrator for the US Agency for International Development (USAID), testified on Wednesday to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in Washington. “The last tranche was disbursed at the end of the fiscal year. This jeopardizes, particularly over the coming months, Ukraine’s ability to maintain its economic stability while it continues to fight the war. It’s urgent.”

https://www.rt.com/news/586853-us-ukraine-humanitarian-funding-runs-out/

Ukraine increasingly conscripting older men – media

The average age of a soldier has reportedly risen to around 43 since the conflict with Russia began. Ukraine’s military has been forced to conscript more older men to fill its battalions amid the HEAVY LOSSES suffered in its conflict with Russia, reportedly increasing the average age of its troops by nearly ten years since shortly after the crisis began last year.

Aleksey Arestovich, a former senior adviser to Zelensky, said last month that Ukraine should conscript younger recruits because they are better-suited to endure the rigors of the battlefield and are easier to manipulate into an aggressive fighting force. “What is needed are wolves, who are 25 to 28, who want to fight and enjoy that, who still have things to prove,” he said.

Ukraine’s manpower struggles are worsening at a time when US public support for continuing to send massive military aid to Kiev is waning. However, a Zelensky aide told Time that even if Washington were to send all the weapons to Ukraine that have been promised, the country’s military simply doesn’t “have the men to use them.”

https://www.rt.com/news/586774-ukraine-average-solider-age-rises-amid-high-casualties/

Vasily Kashin: Ukraine is losing. So what now?

Can Russia and the US resolve the conflict without triggering a nuclear crisis?
The stated aim of the much-hyped Ukrainian counteroffensive was to inflict a major strategic defeat on Russia by cutting off the land corridor to Crimea. But hardly anyone in the Western military and political establishment with any real knowledge believed that Kiev would be able to achieve such a result. It would have been strange to expect otherwise: throughout the war, the Ukrainians have never managed to break through prepared defenses of Russian troops. The attitude of Russian society towards the conflict is such that only after several crushing fiascos on the battlefield (encirclement and defeat of large groups of troops) would it agree to admit defeat and withdraw. Minor failures only encourage Russia to devote more and more of its resources to victory. And those are many times superior to what Ukraine can muster (even with all the help the West can provide).

https://www.rt.com/russia/586781-vasily-kashin-ukraine-is-losing/

Jimbuna

11-09-23, 07:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yezl780Xr50

Exocet25fr

11-09-23, 07:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6BREAYmi_U

Catfish

11-09-23, 11:06 AM

[...] On the other hand, I'm always able to vote for..............Marine LEPEN of course!, actually she is on the TOP! [...]
Well I wouldn't, and I don't think russians can vote for LePen :03:

This year:

https://i.imgur.com/wRPcn5nl.jpg

Exocet25fr

11-09-23, 11:33 AM

neither for micron........!:03:

https://zupimages.net/up/23/45/i9ww.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=23/45/i9ww.jpg)

Exocet25fr

11-09-23, 12:06 PM

Russia can’t be defeated on battlefield – Kremlin

Presidential spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said officials in Kiev and Washington must face up to reality. There is no way the Russian military can be defeated, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov has insisted. His comments follow recent claims by President Vladimir Putin that Western governments were lowering their expectations regarding the outcome of the Ukraine conflict. Speaking to Russian journalist Pavel Zarubin on Thursday, Peskov stated “it is high time that everyone in Kiev and Washington realized: it’s impossible to defeat Russia on the battlefield.”

Citing anonymous US officials, NBC reported last week that behind closed doors Washington had been pushing Kiev toward negotiations with Moscow. The outlet also claimed that the US had been conducting “delicate” unofficial discussions with Kiev regarding concessions Ukraine would be willing to make in potential peace talks.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586919-peskov-russia-cant-be-defeated/

Jimbuna

11-09-23, 12:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjadXH7Al0E

August

11-09-23, 01:05 PM

The average age of a soldier has reportedly risen to around 43 since the conflict with Russia began. Ukraine’s military has been forced to conscript more older men to fill its battalions amid the HEAVY LOSSES suffered in its conflict with Russia, reportedly increasing the average age of its troops by nearly ten years since shortly after the crisis began last year.

Says the guy promoting a fascist regime that has raised it's conscription rates up to 70.

:har:

Jimbuna

11-09-23, 01:33 PM

Putin death rumours intensify after his 'successor' refers to him in past tense.

New rumours swirled today over Vladimir Putin’s health as a speech by his top security aide emerged referring to the Russian dictator entirely in the past tense.

‌Nikolai Patrushev – a former head of the FSB security service and seen as Moscow’s most sinister spymaster – dressed in black and gave a eulogy to the autocrat which sounded more like an obituary.

‌Russia has been swamped by speculation that the warmonger died in late October and his role was taken over by a doppelgänger controlled by his most loyal security henchmen.

‌The rumours appear impossible and almost comical – and yet they only increase by the day.

‌And Putin’s ‘lover’ – Alina Kabaeva, 40 – has vanished and not been seen in public since the dictator was reported by several sources to have died on 26 October, two weeks ago.

‌The latest fantastical rumours came as a cringing video showed Putin today stumbling over the name of the president of Kazakhstan, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, during a rare foreign visit to his neighbouring state.

‌Some saw this as evidence that Putin has been replaced by a body double who had failed to learn his lines.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-death-rumours-intensify-after-his-successor-refers-to-him-in-past-tense/ar-AA1jFn0p?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=4f95e40a3d9e4087bebf93a26c567402&ei=26

Exocet25fr

11-09-23, 02:12 PM

Cool your Russian Tanks hunter SoapBox...! :up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrpkzl9uyT4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91BV5Gyty0

August

11-09-23, 02:16 PM

Putin ally known as 'the Executioner' killed in Ukraine-planned car bombing: 'it was our operation'

Mikhail Filiponenko formerly led separatists forces backed by Moscow in Luhansk

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-admits-involvement-car-bombing-russia-backed-official-nicknamed-executioner

:up:

Jimbuna

11-09-23, 02:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQSVxE69E60

Exocet25fr

11-09-23, 03:02 PM

Number of Russian army recruits in 2023 revealed

Continued growth of the Armed Forces is a started policy goal of the Kremlin. Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev revealed on Thursday that somewhere in the region of 410,000 personnel have joined the Russian army this year. Now the deputy chair of the country’s Security Council, he was visiting Alabino military training grounds outside Moscow.

Medvedev inspected troops with the 337th airborne assault regiment, watching the unit in training and holding meetings with its commanders and other senior military officials. During the meeting, Medvedev said that the country’s military has been steadily bolstering its ranks.

“All in all, starting January 1 this year, around 410,000 people signed contracts. The work to bring new servicemen into the ranks will continue next year. The decision was made by the president, and the work, frankly, is going on well,” Medvedev stated.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586931-russian-military-ranks-growth/

West has lost billions trying ‘to teach Russia a lesson’ – Lavrov

Sanctions designed to hurt Moscow are destroying the global economy, the foreign minister says. EU businesses have lost at least €250 billion ($266.6 billion) due to the sweeping sanctions imposed on Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated on Wednesday.

According to the top diplomat, these are “very conservative estimates” of the damage that the West has inflicted on its own businesses over the past year-and-a-half by introducing unilateral sanctions.

Russia-EU trade turnover totaled $200 billion in 2022 and is expected to drop to less than $100 billion by the end of 2023, according to the Foreign Ministry.

The latest ministry estimates show that mutual trade between Russia and EU member states, which totaled $417 billion in 2013, could have reached $700 billion this year were it not for the sanctions.

https://www.rt.com/business/586822-eu-losses-russia-sanctions-lavrov/

Ukrainian War Crime - Ukrainian drone drops cluster bombs on Russian town – governor

A Ukrainian unmanned aircraft has dropped cluster munitions on a food plant in Russia’s Kursk Region, Governor Roman Starovoyt reported on Thursday. Images that the official shared online suggest the payload may have been Western-made.

The reported attack took place at a butter-making facility in the town of Sudzha, less than 10km from the Ukrainian border. A total of three cluster bombs were dropped at the location, the governor said, causing some damage but no casualties. One failed to detonate and is being handled by a bomb squad. Ukraine has been using Soviet-made cluster munitions since the hostilities in Donbass started in 2014, according to Human Rights Watch.

Washington justified its decision to arm Kiev with cluster weapons by claiming that the Ukrainian forces had pledged not to use them in populated areas. The US government also argued that the additional contamination would not be relevant, considering that both Russia and Ukraine have been using their own cluster munitions throughout the conflict.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said in July that Moscow reserved the right to use its cluster weapons in response to Ukrainian deployments, when he commented on deliveries by the US. He claimed Russian forces had previously refrained from using such weapons even when there was a shortage of other types of munitions.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586900-kursk-drones-cluster-bombs/

Commander Wallace

11-09-23, 03:17 PM

Number of Russian army recruits in 2023 revealed

Washington justified its decision to arm Kiev with cluster weapons by claiming that the Ukrainian forces had pledged not to use them in populated areas. The US government also argued that the additional contamination would not be relevant, considering that both Russia and Ukraine have been using their own cluster munitions throughout the conflict.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said in July that Moscow reserved the right to use its cluster weapons in response to Ukrainian deployments, when he commented on deliveries by the US. He claimed Russian forces had previously refrained from using such weapons even when there was a shortage of other types of munitions.

https://www.rt.com/russia/586900-kursk-drones-cluster-bombs/

So you know, Russia used Cluster munitions against Ukraine early on in their war. Russia also used Hyperbaric and White phosphorus weapons as well. Russia of course used them knowing the Ukraine didn't have cluster munitions or Phosphorus weapons in it's inventory. Well, now it does.

Further, the report you site lists contamination by these weapons. If the weapons in question are not Chemical, Biological or Nuclear in nature, I'm wondering what sort of contamination is being referred to. :hmmm:
Now, Russia is crying about the use of Cluster munitions against their people. There is a simple solution to this problem. Go Home !!!!

August

11-09-23, 03:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUU032MJbQ

Commander Wallace

11-09-23, 03:23 PM

^ This is good stuff August. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
I paused it long enough to get my popcorn and settle into a comfy chair.

Now this is entertainment. :yep:

mapuc

11-09-23, 03:26 PM

I see this as a defeat not a win-That Russia has to recruit hundreds of thousands of young men to fight in Ukraine. Every 3rd or 4th month or so.

2. In these wars Ukraine and Israel most of us seems to forgetting all about being critical to what we read and hear.

Take me as an example. I believe allmost everything that comes from Ukraine and not what comes from Russia-I know I should be very critical.

I believe what comes from Ukraine is more correct than what comes from Russia

Markus

Skybird

11-09-23, 03:53 PM

Bigger numbers win wars.
And Europe still has not brought its acts together regarding a military production boost. If we are not careful, the present will repeat itself in the near future: with then us being the ones getting outproduced and outmanned in military capacities. What there has been in production adaptation in Europe to me so far looks pretty pitiful. Better quality can comensate for inferior numbers only so and so far - and not further. As Ukraine currently realises. It is supeiror in quality of many of its systems, the skills of soldiers using it, and it kills more Russians than Russians kill Ukrainians. Still, Ukraine is outgunned. When Kiev now says its a stalemate, it means they are at the peak of what they were capable of. From here on, they must decline, since Rrussia has more breath. I wonder what miracle weapons Washington will offer next? And btw, Ukraine has at least as many problems to recruit new soldiers, than Russia has due to its self-imposed shyness to declare a general mobilization. But Russia still HAS the option fully mobilize. Ukraine has that option no more. They run out of people to recruit.

I think 2024 will be far more difficult for Ukraine than 2023 was.

Skybird

11-09-23, 03:56 PM

https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/Karten-eindeutig-zugunsten-der-Russen-gemischt-article24513191.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Once again he is right. Elsewhere he pointed out that Russian production rates of cruise missiles and other types of weapons now significantly exceed those of pre-war times. Ukrainian industry, badly hit by the attacks on the electricity supply, cannot keep up. Russia has the bigger industrial base, the bigger ressources base, the bigger financial base, and the bigger population base.

Jimbuna

11-10-23, 05:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86HyG3EWZh0

Jimbuna

11-10-23, 05:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-9M5b5o-eg

Exocet25fr

11-10-23, 06:09 AM

Russia-Ukraine war live: Russia intensifying assault on Avdiivka, says Ukraine military

Ukraine’s general staff, in its latest evening report, said its forces had repelled 11 attacks near Avdiivka, 15 in the nearby Maryinka sector and 22 further north-east in Bakhmut, a town seized by Russian in May. Six attacks were repelled further north near Kupiansk, where Russian forces have been active.

Russian troops are intensifying their attacks on the key eastern town of Avdiivka, Ukrainian officers have said. Oleksandr Borodin from the third separate assault brigade said Russian forces were launching major infantry attacks, while trying to keep equipment intact, telling Espreso TV: “It is not just infantry advancing but also parallel work of artillery, drones, aviation, the same air bombing and more.”

Russian forces were shelling “round the clock” but rain-soaked ground was holding them back. “Once the ground dries, they will definitely advance.”

The Kremlin is moving to absorb former Wagner soldiers into Russia’s military structures, the Guardian’s Russian affairs reporter Pjotr Sauer writes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/10/russia-ukraine-war-live-russia-intensifying-assault-on-avdiivka-says-ukraine-military

Exocet25fr

11-10-23, 06:22 AM

Courageous "Game-Changer" Leopards destroyed during challengers sqive and Abrams remain in their boxes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pRD1EakNLg

Jimbuna

11-10-23, 06:56 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8pr13bQP1I

Jimbuna

11-10-23, 12:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDYnP6ZiyCQ

Dargo

11-10-23, 12:16 PM

Russia Inflation Accelerates to 6.7%
Russia's annual inflation rate accelerated to 6.7% in October, the country's federal statistics agency said Friday, as a weak currency and surging military spending push prices higher across the economy. Rising prices have caused concern for the Kremlin and Russia's Central Bank, which has raised interest rates to 15% in a bid to battle inflation. Earlier this month, President Vladimir Putin urged his government to "reduce" inflation in a televised meeting. October's annual inflation rate of 6.7% was up from 6% in September and is the highest level since February. Russia officially targets an inflation rate of 4%.

Putin and Russian officials have hailed Russia's economic performance since it sent hundreds of thousands of troops into Ukraine last February. Economy Minister Maxim Reshetnikov said Friday that Russia's GDP will expand by 3% this year. But independent economists say high inflation is just one symptom of deeper economic problems. Last month, Russia reimposed some currency controls after the ruble fell below the symbolic level of 100 against the U.S. dollar over the summer. It has since recovered to around 92. A huge increase in spending on the conflict in Ukraine, which looks set to drag into a third year, is also limiting Russia's ability to tame rising prices.

Moscow will raise its defense spending by 70% next year to a post-Soviet record of 6% of GDP, according to an annual budget approved by lawmakers. Meanwhile, record low unemployment after hundreds of thousands of workers have been called up to the army, fled to avoid being drafted or been redirected to work in arms factories, has created labor shortages across the economy. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/11/10/russia-inflation-accelerates-to-67-a83074

NATO’s European member states spend 5.75 times as much on defence as Russia ($276bn compared to $48bn.) Not only are those alliance numbers set to rapidly increase, but they also take no account of Canada or the enormous US defence budget. Russia too is increasing spending, but its anaemic economy simply cannot compete. Comparing Russia’s economy to that of NATO countries using purchasing power parity, the ratio is a huge 1:10. Non-NATO countries — Australia, Japan, Sweden, and Finland as examples — support Ukraine as well. Additionally, Russia is heavily sanctioned and has had at least $300bn international assets frozen. The Russian economy (GDP) from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin is smaller than the Italian economy in GDP terms. Russian military salaries are lower than NATO, but combat aircraft will cost the same for Russia, Italy, or whoever buys it because technology is increasingly expensive. If an airplane costs $30m, the pilot and ground crew costs do not matter; they are marginal. For Russians with any doubt about state propaganda, it will now be obvious that the economic costs of funding a war with too little productive capacity are enormous. The undersized economy is already apparent for the soldiers on the frontline, made plain by intermittent logistics and deteriorating competitiveness on the battlefield, older equipment, and the artillery’s shell famine. Continued Russian offensives can guarantee only increased Russian casualties, beyond the 200,000 already suffered. A larger Russian army in Ukraine will only worsen the logistics crisis. There is no Russian victory in sight. https://cepa.org/article/why-russia-will-lose/

There is no way that Russia can maintain their production levels without western expertise and technology (An oil well depleted by about 6% per year if you don't keep drilling, production falls. It takes money and know-how to maintain and grow production.), the bigger risk is the failure of equipment. They may have some repair supplies available from before the war, but do they know how to install them, and what happens when they don't have the needed repair parts? Winter is coming and that will take its toll on infrastructure. They are also handicapped by chronic corruption and an appalling safety culture, it can only get worse from here. Russian oil industry collapsed in 1992 the wells froze over or collapsed and all the pipelines burst. They didn’t get back to Soviet level production until 2019! That was with nearly unlimited financial and expertise from the West. All that is gone now, and it’s going to collapse again the majority of Russian oil and gas is located in Siberia this costs Russia a fortune to extract and maintain (the most expensive in the world to get) with the state of the Ruble (1 Russian Ruble equals 0,010 Euro), selling at discount also, export ban on refined products and petroleum shortages Russia is eating itself. All you have to do is study Venezuela's decline to see Russia's future.

Ukraine's inflation has fallen to 5.3% Year-Over-Year from 7.1% in September and a high of 26.6% Year-Over-Year last December Ukraine excels in good macroeconomic management in the midst of the war.

Dargo

11-10-23, 12:34 PM

A frozen front line looms in Ukraine, but success is not measured only in ground gains
As winter approaches, the front line in Ukraine appears to be moving even less than in recent months. The hope of Ukraine and the West was precisely that considerable ground would have been gained by this time. Has the Ukrainian counteroffensive failed? Not only in the Netherlands, but also in Ukraine, the autumn has been wetter than usual. Therefore, the muddy season on the war front, instead of at the end of November, is already here. This will make it even more difficult for tanks and heavy vehicles to make progress. Without leaves on the trees, infantrymen will also find it harder to hide. With that, the dry summer and fall periods are coming to an end. Some ground gains have been made in some places, particularly on the southern front, but the hoped-for breakthrough has not materialized. A frozen situation on the front is looming. The longer the Russian army holds out, the better it can dig in, after which it becomes even more difficult to breach the defences. So has the Ukrainian offensive achieved anything?

Expectations were overblown in the spring, says Professor of Military Science at Leiden University, Frans Osinga. 'But I am less pessimistic about progress than the small ground gains suggest,' he says. 'For example, Ukraine is very successful in taking out Russian artillery and also manages to take out operational centres of Russia far behind the front.' Former Commander of the Land Forces Mart de Kruif acknowledges that the advance is slow, but sees equally positive trends. 'Ukraine still has the initiative and repeatedly forces the Russian army to move troops to put its defences in order. The front has also not yet settled down, so there is no question of a frozen front.' In recent weeks, for example, Ukraine managed to station army units on the right bank of the Dnipro River, east of the city of Kherson. Ukraine had been handing out pinpricks here for some time, but now manages to settle permanently on this bank near the village of Krynky. 'The operation is part of a larger chess game to continuously force Russia to move troops,' De Kruif said. 'The bridgehead offers some perspective of getting closer to Crimea,' Osinga stated. 'It is part of the war of attrition.' Fighting also continues on the southern front. There was some hope that Ukraine could make a breach there, especially after the army penetrated the Russian army's first line of defence around Robotyne and Verbove in September. But after this line there are more trenches and the Ukrainian army has to repeat the breakthrough each time. The hope that undermanned and exhausted Russian army would be vulnerable, and the advance would be faster did not materialize.

'Russia dug in firmly, and the many mines and barbed wire made it difficult for Ukraine to deploy heavier equipment,' Osinga said. Moreover, Ukraine lacked good air support and Russia managed to mobilize more soldiers.' 'Soon in the summer, therefore, Ukraine opted for a different tactic,' says De Kruif. 'Not with a massive attack with tanks, but by taking trench by trench with infantrymen.' Even at the front in Robotyne, the Ukrainian army is still making some progress, only it is moving very slowly, Osinga and De Kruif say. That offensive could also continue into winter. 'Especially during the night, infantrymen can try to make a breach,' says De Kruif. 'Of course, logistics become more difficult and the cold and rain make it less easy for soldiers to operate, but tanks with rubber tires are precisely made to drive through the mud.' 'Even more important than the steady progress is the gains made by the Ukrainian military at the operational level,' Osinga believes. 'Every day, Ukraine manages to take out 20 to 40 artillery pieces with modern precision weapons.' That gives Ukrainian soldiers more freedom of movement, as Russia is less able to bombard its positions. However, Russia has hefty supplies and Ukraine does not know when they will run out. Restraint in the deployment of tanks and other heavy equipment is therefore important, adds De Kruif. Even next year and in the years after, the Ukrainian army must keep that equipment available.

Whether Ukraine can sustain this war of attrition will depend on the extent to which the country succeeds in keeping up the supply of modern Western weapons. Precisely about developments on the strategic battlefield, De Kruif and Osinga are less positive. Because of the focus on Israel and the lack of successes on the front, politicians' interest in helping Ukraine with lots of weapons and money is declining. Osinga: "Viewed this way, the perception of stagnation on the front lines is to Ukraine's disadvantage. https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/een-bevroren-frontlinie-dreigt-in-oekraine-maar-succes-wordt-niet-alleen-gemeten-in-terreinwinst~b1deae76/

Jimbuna

11-10-23, 01:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwg3vrISzJc

Skybird

11-10-23, 01:46 PM

https://www-dw-com.translate.goog/de/milit%C3%A4rhistoriker-westen-redet-sich-ukraine-krieg-sch%C3%B6n/a-67357885?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Is the West prepared for a trench war in Ukraine?

The West is not prepared for this because the West has been glossing over the situation for 20 months and because it believes that Ukraine is able to use morale to defeat this Russian bear. It does not work like that. In my view there are two options. One is to go all-in. But four to five loaded military trains would have to travel to Ukraine every week. The other thing is to self-critically admit that it is not possible. Then you have to tell that to the Ukrainians. You may then have to start negotiations, but with the admission that Ukraine will no longer exist as a state because Russia will destroy it.

What is your forecast for 2024?

We are approaching a culmination point where the situation is on the brink and will be decided - in one direction or the other. We have multiple crises and attention to Ukraine is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain. If Ukraine does not manage to remain in the spotlight of the world and, above all, make it clear to the European side that the war for Europe may be decided in Ukraine, then things will be difficult for Ukraine. If Ukraine manages to do the opposite, then the conflict could develop in this direction. We don't know whether this is possible. We experience history in the making. That's why Saluzhny's article is so important.

Exocet25fr

11-10-23, 01:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyBjHP5Q1-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDkcpga6KfY

Catfish

11-10-23, 03:03 PM

^ Are you happy in St. Petersburg?

mapuc

11-10-23, 04:02 PM

Dargo

11-10-23, 04:30 PM

Would it come to such a situation, where Nato/US is questioning Ukraines process in the war, despite Nato's and USA promises to stay with Ukraine to the end ?

Of course not now and not the first 6-9 month next year, it's thereafter Nato/US will start to questioning the Ukrainian process at the front. I think

MarkusWhen you do not send/delay the needed tools for a successful Ukraine offensive, you have nothing to demand or question do not think NATO will they know how the fighting is going and know what Russia has lost why would you question the one fighting for you when he is the only one that has weakened Russia for decades no NATO or member of it has pulled this off in the history of NATO. That said, you can not expect it to go your way wars never go your way there are always things you can not foresee all the plans you make can fail because of numerous reasons, certainly in a David vs Goliath war.

mapuc

11-10-23, 05:24 PM

When you do not send/delay the needed tools for a successful Ukraine offensive, you have nothing to demand or question do not think NATO will they know how the fighting is going and know what Russia has lost why would you question the one fighting for you when he is the only one that has weakened Russia for decades no NATO or member of it has pulled this off in the history of NATO. That said, you can not expect it to go your way wars never go your way there are always things you can not foresee all the plans you make can fail because of numerous reasons, certainly in a David vs Goliath war.

I know that- Nato/US military is controlled by the politicians and they are elected by ordinary citizens.

You and I are strong supporters of Ukraine. But there are those who isn't that strong in their support and when there's no huge advancement at the front these people will start to ask whether their country should continue supporting Ukraine.

It's fear I have-As someone wrote here in this thread-Time is on Russians side

I truly hope I very much wrong.
I hope that time is in Ukrainian side and they soon will make huge advancement in some areas.

Markus

Dargo

11-10-23, 06:24 PM

I know that- Nato/US military is controlled by the politicians and they are elected by ordinary citizens.

You and I are strong supporters of Ukraine. But there are those who isn't that strong in their support and when there's no huge advancement at the front these people will start to ask whether their country should continue supporting Ukraine.

It's fear I have-As someone wrote here in this thread-Time is on Russians side

I truly hope I very much wrong.
I hope that time is in Ukrainian side and they soon will make huge advancement in some areas.

MarkusWhy is Time is on Russians side? Are their vast stock they let us believe usable? No, why else would Russia ask North Korea for shells and barrels. Is Russia's economy strong enough to support a war production successful? No for various reasons Russia does not get enough for its exports they need because of sanctions Russia sell at discount imports is much worse the Ruble is so low their import cost them hugely, and they had and with this war more of a lack in work force you can say they have vast resources to dig those up you need a workforce that you just send into war this is also the case for other production. I do not think time is on Russia they can have a bigger army, but wars are not only fought on the front the bigger numbers are not always guaranty a win. For the support for Ukraine I see minority countries not wanting to support all countries that already did not support Ukraine much the general trend is we stay on this path to supporting Ukraine.

Dargo

11-10-23, 06:34 PM

The Czechia's Defence Ministry has released a list of military equipment transferred to Ukraine from the army's stocks, which was previously classified. The document, dated November 6, shows the cost of the aid - 6.2 billion Czech crowns (more than €250 million). According to the document, between February 24, 2022 and October 9, 2023, Czechia transferred:

- 4 helicopters manufactured in 2005 and 2006;
- 62 tanks from 1968, 1977, 1985-1989, 1993;
- 131 IFVs from 1973-1989, 1993, and 1999;
- 16 air defense systems from 1973-1993;
- 47 vehicles from 1977-1993, 1997;
- 13 self-propelled artillery howitzers, 1980-1986;
- 84,860 shells for cannons and gun howitzers 1986-1992, 1999-2002;
- 12 rocket systems from 1977-1985;
- 4,900 rockets for rocket launchers 2016-2019;
- 645 anti-tank guided missiles from 1988;
- 8,022 anti-vehicle launchers from 1991;
- 128 mortars from 1971-1979;
- 17,400 mines for 1992-2004 mortars;
- 4.2 million rounds of handgun ammunition;
- other equipment.

Some of the equipment was supplied from Czech warehouses, some of it was provided by arms companies. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/11/10/czechia-reveals-list-of-military-aid-to-ukraine-amid-russian-invasion/

Eisenwurst

11-11-23, 02:15 AM

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/01/what-did-vladimir-putin-say-to-scare-young-boy

10 years ago? But still relevant.

Jimbuna

11-11-23, 05:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1inQNbWDOo

Jimbuna

11-11-23, 06:26 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sYU_txxLH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqZwnpp1tto

Exocet25fr

11-11-23, 10:49 AM

EU admits it won’t keep Ukraine ammunition promise – media
The bloc has reportedly only delivered around 30% of the total rounds promised.

https://www.rt.com/news/587042-eu-ukraine-ammunition-target/

EU states rebel against €20 billion Ukraine plan – Reuters
Some member states remain skeptical about the multi-billion euro military spending project.

https://www.rt.com/news/587039-eu-billions-ukraine-aid/

US sabotaged Ukraine peace plan – NATO member state
The Hungarian prime minister blamed Washington for the failure of 2022 Istanbul talks.

https://www.rt.com/news/587032-us-russia-ukraine-talks-orban/

Ukraine will fight without US – Zelensky
Kiev will only relent after seizing all the territories it claims as its own, president warns.

https://www.rt.com/russia/587016-ukraine-fight-without-usa-zelensky/

As its counteroffensive stalls, Ukraine signals readiness for a long war
Amid talk of stalemate, long waits for western weapons and attention diverted to Gaza, experts say the conflict could last into 2025.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/11/as-its-counteroffensive-stalls-ukraine-signals-readiness-for-a-long-war

Ukraine’s Kyiv comes under attack for first time in months, mayor says
Strong explosions heard in the capital in first attack on the city since September.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/ukraines-kyiv-comes-under-attack-for-first-time-in-months-mayor-says

mapuc

11-11-23, 10:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j2NPg1hCJA&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

mapuc

11-11-23, 11:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Celz_vz278&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

11-11-23, 11:52 AM

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 310,650 people (+1,130 per day), 5,342 tanks, 7,527 artillery systems, 10,041 armoured vehicles.

Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Russia, Ukrainian defenders liquidated about 310,650 Russian invaders.

personnel - about 310650 (+1130) people,

tanks - 5342 (+25) units,

armored combat vehicles - 10041 (+24) units,

artillery systems - 7,527 (+38) units,

MLRS - 879 (+2) units,

air defense systems - 579 (+1) units,

aircraft - 322 (+0) units,

helicopters - 324 (+0) units,

UAVs of the operational and tactical level - 5620 (+25),

cruise missiles - 1559 (+1),

ships/boats - 22 (+2) units,

submarines - 1 (+0) units,

motor vehicles and tankers - 9925 (+49) units,

special equipment - 1069 (+9). Source: https://censor.net/en/p3454944

Exocet25fr

11-11-23, 12:23 PM

No Ukrainian victory in sight – EU's Borrell
The bloc should brace itself for a “longer conflict” between Moscow and Kiev, its top diplomat says.

https://www.rt.com/news/587073-no-ukrainian-victory-sight-borrell/

Russia has five million Ukrainian refugees – diplomat
Over 730,000 of the arrivals are children, most of whom came to the country with their relatives, Vassily Nebenzia has said, adding that a significant number of them were children fleeing the fighting.

https://www.rt.com/russia/587068-russia-five-million-ukraine-refugees/

Ukraine not ready to join EU – member state
Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban used an old expression to describe a great distance when discussing how close Kiev is to becoming a member.

“Ukraine is absolutely not ready to negotiate over its bid for EU membership. Ukraine is as far from EU membership as Mako is from Jerusalem,” he said, using a popular Hungarian idiom.

https://www.rt.com/news/586984-hungary-orban-ukraine-accession/

EU state explains objection to Ukrainian membership
It's absurd to consider Kiev's candidacy amid the ongoing conflict, Hungary’s foreign minister has said.

https://www.rt.com/news/586871-hungary-ukraine-eu-membership/

mapuc

11-11-23, 02:18 PM

Skybird

11-11-23, 04:01 PM

Not good at all if true

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/medie-ukrainsk-oberst-koordinerede-nord-stream-sabotage/10022915?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus
Yes, German Der Spiegel has a story about that, too, but behind paywall.

I stick to what I said about this possibility (Ukraine behind the Nordstream attacks) already over one year ago: if true that Ukraine did it, Germany must immediately cancel all aid and military and financial support, and pull out of any such projects by the Western community. I would not forgive such an underhanded attack while they expect us to deliver them aid and supplies, and at our costs. - Of course,k we all know that the Berlin government would not do this. I talk of what I wouold do in that case if it were my decision.

Even worse if Ukraine did it but without Zelensky's knowledge, because that would mean he is not in control of his team. Again, in this case I would want Germany to pull out of everything, no matter what that means for Ukraine's future, i would just not care any longer. You do not strike at a friend who comes to your aid and support. But that is the reason why one has to be absolutely sure when concluding that Ukraine is behind it, because Russia would have had a strong motive in hoping to trigger right this reaction if it was Russia planning this as a false flag operation.

The German government keeps the investigation under total and utmost secrecy and under control by the chancellor's office, and does not comment by a single syllable, which I take as an indication that they want to hide from the public unwelcomed findings.

Dargo

11-11-23, 04:21 PM

Yes, German Der Spiegel has a story about that, too, but behind paywall.

I stick to what I said about this possibility (Ukraine behind the Nordstream attacks) already over one year ago: if true that Ukraine did it, Germany must immediately cancel all aid and military and financial support, and pull out of any such projects by the Western community. I would not forgive such an underhanded attack while they expect us to deliver them aid and supplies, and at our costs. - Of course,k we all know that the Berlin government would not do this. I talk of what I wouold do in that case if it were my decision.

Even worse if Ukraine did it but without Zelensky's knowledge, because that would mean he is not in control of his team. Again, in this case I would want Germany to pull out of everything, no matter what that means for Ukraine's future, i would just not care any longer. You do not strike at a friend who comes to your aid and support. But that is the reason why one has to be absolutely sure when concluding that Ukraine is behind it, because Russia would have had a strong motive in hoping to trigger right this reaction if it was Russia planning this as a false flag operation.

The German government keeps the investigation under total and utmost secrecy and under control by the chancellor's office, and does not comment by a single syllable, which I take as an indication that they want to hide from the public unwelcomed findings.Hypocrite as usual Germany let it dictate by terrorist Russia but when victim of invasion/genocide act according war rules we need to let a terrorist state destroy Ukraine bravo for the German conscience. Go on kneel for a failed empire glad the front for you lot is shorter than for me you will not see me defending Germany.

mapuc

11-11-23, 04:35 PM

Dargo

11-11-23, 04:44 PM

We do not know for sure who's behind the sabotage of Nord Stream 1&2.
Ok so far the evidence is pointing towards Ukraine.

What I ask myself is this:

What was the motive behind it ?

Can we, when we know the motive, know who did it ?

MarkusOnly motive I can think of is by cutting gas supply to mainly Russia's lapdog (whose former leader is a Russia agent) forcing Europe to support Ukraine but like some say here "do not fall for propaganda" this is Russia propaganda.

Bild: German government plans to provide 8 billion euros in military aid to Ukraine in 2024
Germany's coalition government agreed this week to double the budget for military aid for Ukraine in 2024, Bild reported on Nov. 11, citing information from the German Defense Ministry. While four billion euros ($4.3 billion) was the amount initially allocated for military aid for Ukraine in the draft 2024 budget, the government made the decision to increase that number to eight billion euros ($8.6 billion). The news follows a Bild report on Oct. 22 that according to a confidential Defense Ministry memo, the government had not yet budgeted enough funds to be able to deliver sufficient military aid to Ukraine in 2024.

While the Finance Ministry had allocated four billion euros ($4.3 billion) for military support to Ukraine next year, the Defense Ministry had calculated that 3.1 billion euros ($3.3 billion) were already earmarked for projects that had already been announced, according to the German media outlet. Another 770 million euros ($816 million) were to go to the Foreign Ministry's aid programs, leaving just 120 million for new military aid support to Ukraine in 2024.

The Defense Ministry was concerned that billions more would be needed in order to meet Ukraine's needs for military support. The decision on the doubling of the funds for Ukraine's military aid will be officially decided on next week by the Budget Committee, Bild said. Germany is the world's second provider of military aid to Ukraine after the United States. https://kyivindependent.com/bild-german-budget-doubles-military-aid-for-ukraine/

Ukrainians pay the highest price for their freedom and our safety in Europe Russia does not fight Ukraine, it fights against the West. The only force in Europe, the only army that has the fighting power in Europe is Ukraine, Ukraine is the best army in Europe no NATO member has this experience no NATO member can fight Russia like Ukraine. When we withdraw support to Ukraine it is a European defeat we then are the losers in Europe this is real this is war that we pay a price is lesser of an offer than Ukraine pays for years.

mapuc

11-11-23, 05:35 PM

Ukrainians pay the highest price for their freedom and our safety in Europe Russia does not fight Ukraine, it fights against the West. The only force in Europe, the only army that has the fighting power in Europe is Ukraine, Ukraine is the best army in Europe no NATO member has this experience no NATO member can fight Russia like Ukraine. When we withdraw support to Ukraine it is a European defeat we then are the losers in Europe this is real this is war that we pay a price is lesser of an offer than Ukraine pays for years.

I agree on every point in what you wrote.

They are fighting for our freedom

There are voices who demands a stop for military aid-'cause it expand the suffering for the civilians in Ukraine.
(Said to one them-the allied should have done the same during WWII. stop fighting the nazis to prevent further suffering for the Danes)

Markus

Dargo

11-11-23, 05:44 PM

Skybird

11-11-23, 05:49 PM

Hypocrite as usual Germany let it dictate by terrorist Russia but when victim of invasion/genocide act according war rules we need to let a terrorist state destroy Ukraine bravo for the German conscience. Go on kneel for a failed empire glad the front for you lot is shorter than for me you will not see me defending Germany.
Even if you do not understand that, but if somebody else asks me for help, even demands me to help, and leaves no opportunity unused to lecture me why I am obligated to help (in his view) - and then, while I comply with his demands, starts blowing up my car or hacks my bank account or in any other way strikes at me, I take that a little bit personal and do not just wash it off my mental noteboard.

Technically, attacking even just the ownership-shared econimcal ifnrtatrructure of somebody else with military destructire force, is an act of war in my book. Germany was/is enmgaged with billiosna nd bilions of German tax money in the business conglomerate that constructed and ran NS2, that it is all Russian is just half of the truth only. A two digit billions sum. Ukraine may not have liked it, and maybe I even agree and maybe Germany by now admits and understands that trusting Russia was stupid (who did not tust Russia, on the toher ahnd, in the past 30 years, and forgave them everything and even two or three wars once and again?) - that does not mean you can just go and blow parts of the critical infrastructure up.

You may balk, justified or not - but you certainly do not bite the hand you expect to feed you.

Germany is now the second biggest military donator after the United States. And, to my best knowledge, different to parts of the American deliveries, the German deliveries are donated - not in parts sold, the ameicna sgave parts of what they sent, on credit. In parts systems like recently another Iris-T get delivered with priority to Ukraine that even still do not go to the Bundeswehr. We have no Iris-T in service - those that were meant to get produced, are now going directly to Ukraine

https://i.postimg.cc/X7JQjjwn/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)

Again: you do not turn against those whom you ask for help, demand you to help, lecture to help you.

Actually thats quite simple and obvious.

Dargo

11-11-23, 06:13 PM

Even if you do not understand that, but if somebody else asks me for help, even demands me to help, and leaves no opporutnity unused to lecture me why I am obligated to help (in his view) - and then, while I comply with his demands, starts blowing up my car or hacks my bank account or in any other way strikes at me, I take that a little bit personal and do not just wash it off my mental noteboard.

You may balk, justified or not - but you certainly do not bite the hand you expect to feed you.

Germany is now the second biggest military donator after the United States. And, to my best knowledge, different to parts of the American deliveries, the German deliveries are all donated - not in parts sold. In parts systems like recently another Iris-T get delivered with prioprity to Ukraine that even do not go to the Bundeswehr.

https://postimg.cc/QVTztb8N/1ca7ff61

Again: you do not turn against those whom you ask for help, demand you to help, lecture to help you.

Actually thats quite simple, obvious.Oh Rheinmetall gives all those factory lines because the German government pays sure the Europe military complex works out of Christian charity. It is Ukraine that does your dirty bloody job, so they can do more than only bleeding for Germany because we are next it is not Ukraine it is the rebuild of the great empire of Russia that is at our border. We in Europe will have to take the lead, and we will because our democratic systems in the long run out last those authoritarian systems. These pipelines will not matter there are so many theories who done it, but there is still no proof presented other forces are trying to push this I do not know who blown them up do not care either Russia is worse than Ukraine Russia was/is never any good do not think the world will care for some pipelines over genocide.

Skybird

11-11-23, 06:26 PM

I agree on every point in what you wrote.

They are fighting for our freedom

There are voices who demands a stop for military aid-'cause it expand the suffering for the civilians in Ukraine.
(Said to one them-the allied should have done the same during WWII. stop fighting the nazis to prevent further suffering for the Danes)

Markus
I always was with Colonel Reisner on this. Either you give the Ukraine what it needs to win, or you don't - but then you just extend the war and prevent Ukraine from winning it, and that begs the question what your motive then is. I said early last year already that the americans do not really care for a free Ukraine, for them the country still is dubious and suspicous - they want to maximise damage to Russia (="boiling the frog"), at the cost of Ukraine, so that when they turn to the Pacific, Russia is too weak to start something big in America's European rear area. What Europe's motive is, remains a bit speculative, and there might be severla rivalling ones, since the EU doe snto speak with one voice, but I think it is reasonable to assume they seek a moral alibi allowing them to return to business as usual without loosing their face over having let Ukraine down - and neither Berlin nor Paris actually want Ukraine to join NATO or the EU any time soon, since this would mean a loss of influence for both Western capitals, and a shift of the balance of power towards the East, to Warsaw and Kyiv.

Thereby Reisner correctly concludes that from a moral standpoint, if you do not even intend to win the war for Ukraine, and do not do what is needed to win the war, then you should negotiate a deal of any kind because else you just sacrifice the civilians and the industrial foundation of the country, and for nothing. That conclusion then is just logical. Either you fight, or you don't

I would prefer the West would have opted for full and determined military support, no limits, no systems a taboo, to make sure Ukraine wins militarily by throwing Russia out early on. But early on Zelensky did not even listen to American warnings that Russia would attack, while Bubble-Olaf and Macronman believed lies Putin told them both face to face less than 48 hours before the attack.

Part fo the triuth also is that Eurpople alone, withot the US, does not have the military power to take on Russia. Its about numbers, and availability of numbers. Europe'S military status is a mess.

Ukraine has lost the momentum, the Russians forced them to give up where the ukrainians were better: mobile warfare, and to get deadlocked in where russia is able to slowly win the war: trench warfare and war of attrition. Russia can afford its losses (those saying the oppposite still underestimate Russia), Ukraine increasingly cannot. It would have been of ultimate importance to win the war early on, because I predicted last year that in Q3 and Q4 this year the psychological motivation of Western states and especially Westenr publics to continue with supporting ukriane would wane. And that is what happens now, no matter what the government press writes and prints. Ukraine can no longer hope to boost support with Western publics, it cannot even hope to maintain the current level. From here on it lives on battery, and the battery slowly drains, so to speak. The situasiton in America doe snot make it any more promising for them next year.

And Russia knows that. They will not give up, just hang on to it, more they must not do. Time is on their side.

I know that some do not like to see it this way, but denying reality does not win you wars. Wishful thinking does not do anything for you. Ukraine has not yet lost - but as things now stand, it is slowly loosing. Zalushnji knows that, thats why he raised his voice, as a soldier, in the Economist recently. He said what the West must provide to still throw the rudder around. I just doubt that the West will do it. That is due to Israel-Hamas, and a lot of other egoistic reasons. And Russia will look for other possibilities to distract Western attention further and to redirect Western support from Ukraine elsewhere.

You do not win wars by wishful thinking, by denying realities you do not like. I say and imply that since many months.

mapuc

11-11-23, 06:55 PM

Dargo

11-11-23, 07:40 PM

^ I know you have and I have to admit I don't like what I read-I wanna Ukraine to win this war.

About supplies-You wrote
"they want to maximise damage to Russia (="boiling the frog"), at the cost of Ukraine, so that when they turn to the Pacific, Russia is too weak to start something big in America's European rear area"

I find this interesting-Are the material we send each week not enough or is it more the Russians who is putting up a good defence ?

Secondly-If this thing hit the fan in Middle east US and Nato will get involved

When this happens I wonder if US and Nato is still eager to help Ukraine-if their hands is tied in the Middle east.

As you have said many times our factories are not in weapon production mode. Not enough weapon is being produced to both our own defence and sending it to Ukraine.Do not see Nato will get involved in the Middle East, certainly not with Trump in mind also do not think Biden wants to send troops in this conflict. For the pacific, this is not a big problem with China in economic problems and these are big on the moment it will not be a threat the US wants us to believe we both need each other (economical) no war will solve anything for either sides. The Ukraine, Russia war is coming to a stalemate does not mean there will be no fighting this is going on daily on the moment both sides can not win Russia can not get its economic in order (will not happen in the future either) to win this Ukraine does not get the tools to push back Russia this crisis will go on years maybe decades looks like more and more like the end of the Korea war. An isolated Russia (no sound western investment the west saved/made Russia after 1992 do not see anyone will invest in Russia ever what they lost in the last years) an Ukraine with western investments, military guaranties and a EU membership.

Jimbuna

11-12-23, 04:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aZ2KR4w5oA

Jimbuna

11-12-23, 05:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2MUsa0QLQ

Skybird

11-12-23, 02:46 PM

^ I know you have and I have to admit I don't like what I read-I wanna Ukraine to win this war.

About supplies-You wrote
"they want to maximise damage to Russia (="boiling the frog"), at the cost of Ukraine, so that when they turn to the Pacific, Russia is too weak to start something big in America's European rear area"

I find this interesting-Are the material we send each week not enough or is it more the Russians who is putting up a good defence ?
Both.

Secondly-If this thing hit the fan in Middle east US and Nato will get involved

When this happens I wonder if US and Nato is still eager to help Ukraine-if their hands is tied in the Middle east.Thats why Russia supports the trouble in the ME. Distraction.

As you have said many times our factories are not in weapon production mode. Not enough weapon is being produced to both our own defence and sending it to Ukraine.Germany just annoucnes it wants to double military aid to Ukraine next year. But there is still no fundamental change in war goods production policy. Already incraisng artillery shell production is almost beyond what Germany and Europe could acchieve. What has been primsie din shells until the end of this year for Ukraine, is obsolete by now, by numbers the West lags behind.

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As you already mentioned, Markus:

[FAZ] An officer of the Ukrainian special forces is alleged to have played a leading role in the explosives attacks on the German-Russian Nord Stream pipelines in September 2022.

Colonel Roman Chervinskyi is regarded in security circles in Germany and other countries as the suspected "coordinator" of the attacks. This was reported by "Spiegel" and "Washington Post" at the weekend.

The former intelligence officer is said to have served in a volunteer unit of Ukraine's special forces in 2022. German security circles are almost certain that at least the Ukrainian General Staff was informed about the operation.

The colonel is currently in custody in Ukraine for "exceeding his authority" in another case. He was apparently involved in the failed attempt to persuade a Russian fighter pilot to switch sides in 2022 and is said to have sent him the coordinates of an airfield in Ukraine.

Chervinsky denied involvement in the attack on Nord Stream. This version is "Russian propaganda", he said through his lawyer. President Volodymyr Zelenskyi has so far denied Ukrainian involvement.

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^ The case solidifies. The president may not have known, but the military leadership did, which shows that Zelensky is not in full control of his team and house.

Skybird

11-12-23, 03:01 PM

Interview with the CEO of KNDS ( a consortium of French and German tank producers). In this role he does not want to be too critical of politics, of course.

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/magazin/archiv/ruestungsindustrie-es-wird-zeit-dass-europa-aufwacht_id_233121155.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Very relevant: what if Trump is allowed to candidate? I take it almost as granted that he woudl mob the floor with Biden. For Europe, and for the Ukraine, maybe also Israel, and the American ME strategy (if there ever was something worth to be called that...), Trump's win would be most likely desastrous news. Eurpoe in no way is materially able to compensate for the the American weapons packages if these do not get delivered anymore. Means: if Trump wins, it likely means defeat for Ukraine.

mapuc

11-12-23, 05:30 PM

As you already mentioned, Markus:

[FAZ] An officer of the Ukrainian special forces is alleged to have played a leading role in the explosives attacks on the German-Russian Nord Stream pipelines in September 2022.

Colonel Roman Chervinskyi is regarded in security circles in Germany and other countries as the suspected "coordinator" of the attacks. This was reported by "Spiegel" and "Washington Post" at the weekend.

The former intelligence officer is said to have served in a volunteer unit of Ukraine's special forces in 2022. German security circles are almost certain that at least the Ukrainian General Staff was informed about the operation.

The colonel is currently in custody in Ukraine for "exceeding his authority" in another case. He was apparently involved in the failed attempt to persuade a Russian fighter pilot to switch sides in 2022 and is said to have sent him the coordinates of an airfield in Ukraine.

Chervinsky denied involvement in the attack on Nord Stream. This version is "Russian propaganda", he said through his lawyer. President Volodymyr Zelenskyi has so far denied Ukrainian involvement.

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^ The case solidifies. The president may not have known, but the military leadership did, which shows that Zelensky is not in full control of his team and house.

I have hope the evidence is so well made that the arrow start to point towards Russia.

However the Motive I found is sadly pointing towards Ukraine.

There's a gas and oil line going through Ukraine and with Nord Stream 1 and 2 gone Russia can, from what I know, send gas and oil to Europe through Ukraine. Thereby Ukraine can blackmail Russia.
Not saying it is so-Just a thought

Markus

mapuc

11-12-23, 05:34 PM

Jeff-Groves

11-12-23, 05:43 PM

Like anyone should cry about Germany not getting Russian gas.
Not like Germany is any kind of helpful to Ukraine. I'd say more like a friend to Russia.

It's War so suck it up ButterCup! Pull up the Big Boy pants, put the Big Boy Boots on, and deal with it!

August

11-12-23, 05:44 PM

I have hope the evidence is so well made that the arrow start to point towards Russia.

However the Motive I found is sadly pointing towards Ukraine.

There's a gas and oil line going through Ukraine and with Nord Stream 1 and 2 gone Russia can, from what I know, send gas and oil to Europe through Ukraine. Thereby Ukraine can blackmail Russia.
Not saying it is so-Just a thought

Markus

Nord Stream 2 is not gone Markus. One of it's two pipes still remains undamaged. The Russians can turn the gas back on at any time.

mapuc

11-12-23, 06:26 PM

Nord Stream 2 is not gone Markus. One of it's two pipes still remains undamaged. The Russians can turn the gas back on at any time.
Well then my motives goes down the drain so to say.

I thought both was blown-up

Markus

les green01

11-12-23, 06:27 PM

Trump will be the Rep Candidate-He may get a sentence for some years, but he can run from prison.
Amendment 14 point 3-Is which many is people is talking about, but to do so, they need 2/3 of the voters to remove Trumps political furture.

Markus
14-3 cant even be use 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 after the end of the Civil War. It was aimed at the former members of the Confederate government and military who had previously been in Congress or held executive posts.All of the challengers filing lawsuits to try to remove Trump from their state ballots are ignoring the final sentence in Section 3, which is a unique provision found in no other amendment to the Constitution. It allows Congress to remove the disqualification clause “by a vote of two-thirds of each House.”Congress voted to remove the disqualification twice. The Amnesty Act of 1872 stated that the “political disabilities” imposed by Section 3 “are hereby removed from all persons whomsoever” except for members of the 36th and 37th Congresses and certain other military and foreign officials.Note that there is no time limit in this language.Congress even got rid of these remaining exceptions in the Amnesty Act of 1898, which stated that “the disability imposed by section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States heretofore incurred is hereby removed.so Ukraine blank check could come up dry and europe has only their selves to blame europe is like a 10 year old child dragging on mom tit

mapuc

11-12-23, 06:33 PM

^ Thank you for enlighten me.
Sadly you're right about Europe-It's like we are not interested in growing up, we are hiding behind US back.

Markus

Skybird

11-12-23, 06:53 PM

Well then my motives goes down the drain so to say.

I thought both was blown-up

Markus
Actually, it are 4 pipelines, 2x Nord Stream 1 (both blown up per one explosion each), and 2x Nordstream 2 (one blown up by two explosions).

The German government however assumes that the shockwave from the attacks on the one pipe of NS2 has also damaged the opther pipeline of NS2 that was not directly attacked, it was reported in autumn last year. The Russians wanted to send a ship to investigate the foirtzh pipeline. Germany however bases on that all four pipelines are completely dysfunctional.

I think that the divers mistook the two pipelines of NS2 and placed two devices on one and the same pipeline where the plan probably was to have one on every pipeline. Muddy water, darkness, limited visibility, technical problems with navigation, any or all of all that...

Skybird

11-12-23, 07:04 PM

Like anyone should cry about Germany not getting Russian gas.
Not like Germany is any kind of helpful to Ukraine. I'd say more like a friend to Russia.

While I do not at all agree with all decisions the Germans make on Ukraine, fact is that by numbers, both military stuff and simple money, they are the biggest donator nation now after the US. I posted a graph short time ago.
https://i.postimg.cc/X7JQjjwn/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)
What we now could give, must be produced first. Our magazines are empty. We have enough ammo left for 1-2 days of war at an intensity we see in Ukraine. Means: Germany now is completely helpless. You cannot donate clothes if you are almost naked yourself. The Bundeswehr is a joke.

European military in general has not much reserves left to spend. The US has much more in this regard, but does not give Ukraine what it would need in numbers and quality, to not anger the Russians too much. Too little to win, to much to die - just enough to extend the war endlessly, driving not only Russian but also Ukrainian costs up. How nice is that, eh?

We all sit in a glasshouse, when it comes to this war. We all fail to do what really is needed in support. Politics knows no morales. It should, but it does not. And where it is tried, you get an Annalena Baerbock. Think that is better? She certainly kills my nerves.

em2nought

11-13-23, 03:53 AM

I'm really hoping Ukraine and Israel can save us from this terrible green new deal that's been foisted on us. :03:

Jimbuna

11-13-23, 06:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOuUhVuyRCk

mapuc

11-13-23, 07:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b5YBUsk2Vg&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

11-14-23, 05:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXhfIce7VPQ

Jimbuna

11-14-23, 05:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDe57hhHns0&t=2s

Skybird

11-14-23, 07:28 AM

Jimbuna

11-14-23, 09:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYzw6X0HUaQ

Dargo

11-14-23, 11:40 AM

[TS]Russia has announced that it will increase the production of Krasnopol-M2 laser-guided artillery ammunition. This is according to the British Ministry of Defense's daily update on the war in Ukraine. According to the update, Russia's arms industry is not producing enough conventional ammunition and Krasnopol production is now expected to utilize capacities more efficiently. Russia has already achieved success with Krasnopol shells and frequently uses them to target Ukrainian vehicles.

The Russian military uses aircraft to mark targets for the Krasnopol projectiles using laser beams. According to the British, low-hanging clouds are the main problem for the technology. The Russian arms industry will presumably try to improve the flight performance of the projectiles and shorten the duration of laser detection.

With the onset of winter weather, improved precision ammunition will probably play a decisive role for Russia's military in Ukraine.If they are so precise why does the Russian army has a high rate of friendly fire, this is not only from artillery. They shoot down their own air force their air force attack their own on the ground etc what about that supersonic rocket accord Russia this was their wunderwaffen why could Ukraine destroy them with patriot. Ukraine has achieved success with the Russian stupidity in their way of attacks and frequently uses it to target Russia vehicles.

mapuc

11-14-23, 02:24 PM

If they are so precise why does the Russian army has a high rate of friendly fire, this is not only from artillery. They shoot down their own air force their air force attack their own on the ground etc what about that supersonic rocket accord Russia this was their wunderwaffen why could Ukraine destroy them with patriot. Ukraine has achieved success with the Russian stupidity in their way of attacks and frequently uses it to target Russia vehicles.

Your comment - Gives me a hope for the Ukrainian and their furture

The Russian though, is eating meters by meters each day around Avdiivka despite heavy losses, they keep on rolling forward.

I expect Ukrainian in Avdiivka to be encircled in around 6-7 month by now

Markus

Dargo

11-14-23, 03:32 PM

Your comment - Gives me a hope for the Ukrainian and their furture

The Russian though, is eating meters by meters each day around Avdiivka despite heavy losses, they keep on rolling forward.

I expect Ukrainian in Avdiivka to be encircled in around 6-7 month by now

MarkusThe kettle of Avdiivka is not the goal Russia wants to break through in the Donbas this is going on for weeks Russia can not create a break I suppose Ukraine has several defence lines setup to prevent if the Russian can find a weak spot. They now more or less stuck in the mud colder weather would not help much either terrain in that region does not give them much natural shelter apart from tree lines (now without leafs so no shelter) their last winter offensive was no success, do not think this will either.

Jimbuna

11-15-23, 04:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFoFOatu6To

Jimbuna

11-15-23, 07:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbPXuTQLeKs

Skybird

11-15-23, 10:27 AM

1 million shells, eh?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67413025

The day the announced that months ago I new they would fail with that big time.

That is not meant triumphantly. It is meant to indicate how totally disconnected from reality those making the decisions in the EU still are on many war-deciding details ("details" are the small tiny simple itsy-bitsy parts that you usually stumble over while never stumbling over obvious mountains).
They did not even manage to rethink delivery priorities for those shells they produce, I learned from a text earlier this week. Much of what gets produced is used NOT for delivering to Ukraine.

Jimbuna

11-15-23, 01:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v075G57Xmmw

Dargo

11-15-23, 01:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaWVrphbHXI

Jimbuna

11-16-23, 04:57 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBqrvqOtXZQ

Jimbuna

11-16-23, 08:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6K3GiJBhKI

mapuc

11-16-23, 05:28 PM

Listen to what he have to say in second part of his video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSR9wvg0TYA&ab_channel=UkraineMatters

Markus

Reece

11-16-23, 06:28 PM

Like WOW!! I'm shocked but quite believe it!! :oops: Selling machines to Russia for making bomb shells!! :k_confused:
The issues on fuel pricing/sales and sanctions is totally unbelievable, I hope things change for the better soon. :timeout:

Good luck Ukraine you need it!! :doh:

Rockstar

11-16-23, 09:25 PM

Listen to what he have to say in second part of his video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSR9wvg0TYA&ab_channel=UkraineMatters

Markus

How are we supplying machining tools and such to Russia? Easy, only sanctions that can really work well are the ones which have minimal or no effect on your own labor force and economy. If your company relies heavily on one customer and was suddenly told it could not sell their products, your economy suffers, people are out of a job and go homeless and hungry. Then they start rioting in the streets over government policy.

As for delays in support and countries seemingly dragging their feet. I don’t think a quick win was ever the objective. I believe the objective is to drain Russia’s economy, its ability to wage war, occupy satellite states and destroy its regional influence. Doing that will provide Ukraine greater long term security and open up central Asian states to trade without Putin getting in the way ever again.

After Biden’s and Xi’s exchange it appears Russia is no longer considered a global power and is now just a pawn.

Reece

11-16-23, 10:30 PM

As for delays in support and countries seemingly dragging their feet. I don’t think a quick win was ever the objective. I believe the objective is to drain Russia’s economy, its ability to wage war, occupy satellite states and destroy its regional influence. Doing that will provide Ukraine greater long term security and open up central Asian states to trade without Putin getting in the way ever again.

After Biden’s and Xi’s exchange it appears Russia is no longer considered a global power and is now just a pawn.

I hope you're right Rockstar, :yep: if Ukraine looses it'll be bad for everyone, especially Europe!! :hmmm:

Jimbuna

11-17-23, 06:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMjvkUoGsoY

Jimbuna

11-17-23, 07:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riQRVzgJID0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFfezICr1qg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnmHZbxciI4

Skybird

11-17-23, 10:57 AM

Jimbuna

11-17-23, 11:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25iQDcV7XOE

Dargo

11-17-23, 01:23 PM

You can not verify the price of oil in an oil tanker, an oil tanker is a floating storage facility on route from A to B it is resold many times before it reach destination.

Dargo

11-17-23, 01:38 PM

https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/russland-ukraine-krieg-soldaten-verluste-berufssoldaten-freiwillige-front-news-zr-92679865.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

In war, big numbers have their own charmes.

Somewhere else I read that Ruassia's war has pulled ove rone million men from Russia labour force at home, due to death, serving, and fleeing from Russia.

But with their huge human ressporuces, these losses in war do not deicide it for Ukrioanwe. And Ukraine, on the other hand, by now already has very serious problems to recruit sufficient new soldiers.

Its as I predicted last year. Potential man power reserves will likely decide the war. The Russian huge losses do not mean too much. 2022 ended with a win by points for Ukraine. 2023 is a clear win for Russia. And for 2024 I see no prospects for Ukraine. They have not yet lost. But they are now clearly on the path to loosing.War is also economics if one million men from Russia labour force is gone it will hurt the production hugely of the all not so big work force. Russia's stock was big very big now we see shortage and its need to go to North Korea this is the same for human resources sending them without anything to survive has no use it is counterproductive you do not win battles with this tactic. Russia has no ability to create any change on the fronts for years in Ukraine, it can only hope for Trump to win the next election.

Rockstar

11-17-23, 01:40 PM

I hope you're right Rockstar, :yep: if Ukraine looses it'll be bad for everyone, especially Europe!! :hmmm:

Like others here have said I believe Ukraine does not have the manpower for decisive breakthroughs against Russian minefields and fortifications. But then I’m pretty sure Ukraine already knew that. They do strike where they can when they can attempting to inflict as much pain as possible without risking everything. I think Ukraine forces have higher morale are better equipped and some even better trained, they have proven capable of holding the line and are, I think, patiently waiting it out as Russias economy, ability to wager war and supply its troops continue to dwindle.

Crimea is a target and according to reports becoming untenable for Russians. The Kerch bridge is still a target, Russian personnel are facing yet another winter, without any dependable supply chains, armed with 70 plus year old equipment like the d20 below without wheels, firing shells from WWII, using a tree branch for a rammer and a summer camo net in winter. What defeated Hitler at Stalingrad was the lack of fuel and supplies to his soldiers in the field, starvation and disease killed more Germans soldiers than Russian bullets and IMO it will be what defeats Putler’s army as well.

https://i.postimg.cc/tCgPDJ2n/IMG-3153.jpg

Dargo

11-17-23, 02:19 PM

Russia has sustained casualties of between 300,000 and 400,000 killed and wounded in the war in Ukraine so far, and in the heaviest fighting at Avdiivka is losing between 500 and 1,000 a day according to a briefing by western officials.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, nevertheless acknowledged that Ukraine's counter offensive on the Zaporizhzhia front has essentially culminated, although "three brigades" are believed to have made it across the Dnipro river near Kherson.

"Neither side is capable of mounting a decisive operation on land," one of the officials said, and it appeared that "a prolonged conflict" was likely to follow in which long term US and European military aid would be crucial.

A significant force, described as three brigades, had established a position across the Dnipro that the Russians have proved unable to dislodge, although it was unclear, they said, how much armour the Ukrainian military had been able to get across the river.

But despite the cross-river success, the officials said they expected that Ukraine would most likely only be able to make incremental "village at a time" progress, a similar pace to summer efforts south of Orikhiv and Velyka Novosilka. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/16/russia-ukraine-war-live-ukrainian-pushback-along-3-8km-front-at-occupied-kherson?page=with:block-655646818f08d1d922ef82e8#block-655646818f08d1d922ef82e8

Skybird

11-17-23, 02:41 PM

mapuc

11-17-23, 03:26 PM

War is also economics if one million men from Russia labour force is gone it will hurt the production hugely of the all not so big work force. Russia's stock was big very big now we see shortage and its need to go to North Korea this is the same for human resources sending them without anything to survive has no use it is counterproductive you do not win battles with this tactic. Russia has no ability to create any change on the fronts for years in Ukraine, it can only hope for Trump to win the next election.

I thought that these jobs was taken by the Russian women. Like it happened in US during WWII

I could be wrong though

Markus

Dargo

11-17-23, 03:36 PM

I thought that these jobs was taken by the Russian women. Like it happened in US during WWII

I could be wrong though

MarkusRussia now is not the USSR than. In Ukraine also women do the jobs of the men USSR had a gulag work force of +2 million Russia does not have that amount of forced work force and in the war production you need highly qualified personnel it's not the tractor factory building the tanks any more same goes for management does the Russia mafia have the good dedicated managers to build and guide this. Russia is a dictatorship, but not of the level of the Stalin one corruption is far worse than in the USSR not a surprise when the elite are kleptocrats the soviets were not a lot were real communist zealot believers now their god is greed. Putin deal is you get rich so support me Stalin deal was I (communist party) am right if you do not follow there is a gulag make up your mind or die horrible for 10,20 years.

Dargo

11-17-23, 04:06 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/xccLsgb9/F-Hqn3x-XIAAzv-KZ.jpg (https://postimg.cc/xccLsgb9)

https://i.postimg.cc/d3gFkVmn/F-Hqn3x-XIAAzv-KZ.jpg

Saying EU does want to let Ukraine win is not the story the EU supports the Ukraine economy the US military not strange or otherwise this is how it is everybody does their bid their capable to do the EU policy in the world is another than of the US both ways are OK and helps Ukraine and that's what counts. Wars are not only won on the battlefield economics plays a great part in WWII it was decisive.

Rockstar

11-17-23, 04:18 PM

Russia must not win offensives it further mounts. It just must hang on to what it has already occupied. The defences of these have stopped the Ukrainian offensive, and the failed offensive 2023 will hardly ever be repeatable again, material-wise. With what would Ukriane do it? It will not et sucha moutn dsof materia., again, and it lacks even more recruits in the forseeable future, than there were in winter and spring this year.

Next year will be easier for Russia than this year was. This year was easier for Russia than last year. For Ukraine, it was exactly the other way around.

Its a dicatorship in Russia, not a democracy. Its easier to simply use a command top down to deal with the hardship of war. The majority of Russian people support the war, I red some weeks ago. Again: the majority of the civil Russian population was reported back then to support the war. Unbelievable, but still... There will be no revolution or uprise in Russia.

Wishful thinking leads nowhere. The support volume from the West that Ukraine would need to win the war, I do not see materialising, no matter who wins the US elections. And European nations alone will not be capable or willing to do it. We have now 21 months of experience with how the West handles the war. And these 21 months of experience are not encouraging. Wishful thinking dominates the perception and decision making. Wishful thinking will not win the war.

There is a lack of political will and determination in the West to really win the war and see Russia lose it. In fact the West is afraid of Russia loosing it. And Paris and Berlin do not want Ukraine to clearly win it.

The West is perceived to be dragging its feet when it comes to the weapons needed to quickly eject Russia from occupied territory. But like I said I don’t think a quick end is the West’s objective. You mentioned long ago states don’t extend themselves unless it benefits them. Look at Haiti it’s a toilet bowl that nobody is interested in helping because it has absolutely nothing to offer the benefactor.

In order to understand what the future of Ukraine is I think we first need to understand what the West’s motives are for supporting Ukraine, in other words what’s in it for us? Freedom and democracy? Liberating Donbass? Sure it might be nice if it happened but it’s hardly the primary objective. Crimea probably is though in order to control the Black Sea, and gaining access to all those natural resources in Central Asia and don’t forget pipelines baby. To get that we need to drain Russia’s military and political influence and with China on the other side we need to secure Ukraine as a spring board to projecting into Eurasia. I just don’t see us going anywhere or abandoning that, it’s just too important of an opportunity.

With western assistance, Ukraine just needs to make it so untenable that Russia soldiers give up, pack up and go home so they can get something to eat and stay warm. Given time Donbass might even just get fed up enough and want to come back into the fold all on its own too. Ya never know.

Dargo

11-17-23, 04:39 PM

The West is perceived to be dragging its feet when it comes to the weapons needed to quickly eject Russia from occupied territory. But like I said I don’t think a quick end is the West’s objective. You mentioned long ago states don’t do much of anything for anyone unless it benefits the assisting state. Look at Haiti it’s a craphole that nobody is interested in helping because it has absolutely nothing to offer the benefactor.

In order to understand what the future of Ukraine is I think we first need to understand what the West’s motives are for supporting Ukraine, in other words what’s in it for us? Freedom and democracy or liberating Donbass isn’t the objective might be nice if it happened but I don’t think it’s really all that important to us. Crimea is in order to control the access to the Black Sea, and gain access to all those natural resources in Central Asia and don’t forget pipelines baby. To get that we need to drain Russia’s regional military and political influence and we need Ukraine as a spring board to projecting into Eurasia. I just don’t see us going anywhere or abandoning that, it’s just too important of an opportunity.

Ukraine just needs to make it so untenable that Russia soldiers give up, pack up and go home. Given time Donbass might even just get fed up and want to come back into the fold all on its own too. Ya never know.The west has not lost in its military power, it has grown Russia lost not only on the front they are losing out of their reserves it can not exploit its reserves the Black Sea fleet has lost 15 ships and damaged 12 it does not control the Black Sea any more if we and Ukraine can go on like we do now we make of Russia a regional power it will totally change globally said Ukraine does the killing here we only need to send support.

Dargo

11-17-23, 04:53 PM

Bulgaria is a good friend to have, with its abundant Soviet weapon stockpiles and large defence industry. It may be the key to Ukraine's success. But Bulgaria has had to walk a fine line, trying to covertly support Ukraine without provoking Russia. https://kyivindependent.com/despite-strong-russian-influence-bulgaria-to-provide-ukraine-with-arms/

Rockstar

11-17-23, 05:32 PM

The west has not lost in its military power, it has grown Russia lost not only on the front they are losing out of their reserves it can not exploit its reserves the Black Sea fleet has lost 15 ships and damaged 12 it does not control the Black Sea any more if we and Ukraine can go on like we do now we make of Russia a regional power it will totally change globally said Ukraine does the killing here we only need to send support.

You’re right I don’t think the west has lost anything, I just think rather than the noble slogans of defending freedom and democracy or a quick end to Russian occupation. The goal has always been to bleed Russia of its will, economy, political influence and military strength. Russia cannot compete against the combined GDP of the west and eventually Putin is out of the equation opening the door to the Black Sea again and of equal importance Central Asian natural resources placing us in direct competition for it with China. Also all of Europe and particularly Ukraine will benefit from it by having greater long term security. That’s what I think is in it for the western states supporting Ukraine and that’s why I think those western states will not abandon support for Ukraine. Unfortunately victory for Ukraine isn’t going to happen overnight and I’m not so sure it will come about according to their immediate plans or desires.

Catfish

11-17-23, 05:51 PM

Russia must not win offensives it further mounts. It just must blah [...]
It just has to ****ing die :arrgh!:
Really, what side are you on? You want to win the Lord haw-haw prize? :03:

Dargo

11-17-23, 06:29 PM

You’re right I don’t think the west has lost anything, I just think rather than the noble slogans of defending freedom and democracy or a quick end to Russian occupation. The goal has always been to bleed Russia of its will, economy, political influence and military strength. Russia cannot compete against the combined GDP of the west and eventually Putin is out of the equation opening the door to the Black Sea again and of equal importance Central Asian natural resources placing us in direct competition for it with China. Also all of Europe and particularly Ukraine will benefit from it by having greater long term security. That’s what I think is in it for the western states supporting Ukraine and that’s why I think those western states will not abandon support for Ukraine. Unfortunately victory for Ukraine isn’t going to happen overnight and I’m not so sure will come according to their plans.In the long run democracies will survive over authoritarian systems yes with Russia isolated, weak we must go on do not think anything good comes out of Russia not seen that in centuries not from any czar or soviet leader, and we will never see any good from Stalin grandchildren. This is an essential fight between democracy and authoritarianism Ukraine has been bleeding several times in history for its independence, they will win because they have the will. The "Soviet man" is characterised by his tendency to follow the authority of the state in its assessment of reality, to adopt an attitude of mistrust and anxiety towards anything foreign and unknown, and is convinced of his own powerlessness and inability to affect the surrounding reality; from here, it is only a step towards lacking any sense of responsibility for that reality. His suppressed aggression, birthed by his chronic dissatisfaction with life, his intense sense of injustice and his inability to achieve self-realisation, and his great envy, all erupt into a fascination with force and violence, as well as a tendency towards "negative identification" – in opposition to "the enemy" or "the foreigner". Such a personality suits a quasi-tribal approach to standards of morality and law (the things "our people" have a right to do are condemned in the "foreigner").

Homo sovieticus is accustomed to living in relatively bad conditions, is ready to face difficulties, constantly expects the worst; approves of the actions of the authorities; seeks to prevent those who violate habitual forms of behaviour, fully supports the leadership; has a standard ideologized consciousness; a sense of responsibility for his country; is ready to sacrifice and is ready to condemn others to sacrifice. This new man still is Russia that never has gone after the fall of communism in 1991, both in Russia and in the West, there was hope that Western moral values would take root in Russia, and the country would eventually become one of the developed countries of the world. But, this point of view did not take into account the degree of destruction of the Russian economy, the magnitude of mental exhaustion of people and the depth of moral decay after 70 years of Soviet power. No one had any idea what type of state would replace the USSR and what it meant to "be Russian".

Dargo

11-17-23, 06:40 PM

One of the main goals of the operation is to push the Russian occupation forces as faraway from the west bank (Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast) as possible to protect the civilian population from constant shelling. https://english.nv.ua/nation/zelenskyy-shares-photos-of-ukrainians-gaining-bridgeheads-on-east-bank-of-kherson-oblast-50369200.html

Reece

11-17-23, 06:45 PM

You want to win the Lord haw-haw prize? :03:
I'd like to win that! :yep:

Dargo

11-17-23, 07:17 PM

In politics, we trust? Pffff bloody kleptocrats. "A group of Russian nationals were able to donate to newly elected House Speaker Mike Johnson's campaign in 2018 by funnelling the money through a U.S. company." Â– Ewan Palmer, Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/house-speaker-mike-johnson-donations-russia-butina-1838501

Germany begin talks on bilateral security guarantees

Â“Germany is our reliable partner and one of the leaders in financial, military, and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine,Â” Deputy Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Ihor Zhovkva said. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/11/17/ukraine-germany-begin-talks-on-bilateral-security-guarantees/

Take a moment to remember the initial odds when Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022. Literally no one could predict that Ukraine will hold and repel the attack. Everyone said Kyiv would fall in 72 hours. Ukraine won the fight for its existence. Could anyone predict that Ukraine will be fighting Russia TWO YEARS in, and killing over a THOUSAND Russian troops EVERY DAY?

No. Not at all. This is all bizarre how it all turned out, but Ukrainian spirit and love for freedom do magic. In reality, it's all covered in Ukrainian blood, but Ukraine won against all odds, and continues to WIN against Russia, a million times stronger enemy with so much more resources.

This is Ukrainian spirit fighting in there. This is so much worth fighting for. https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1725665187414659124

People thinking Russian losses are propaganda, Avdiivka offensive equipment loss numbers as of 17 November 2023 In summary: 241 Russian losses vs 18 Ukraine losses. Spreadsheet showing the losses in detail https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VIyACYHfnJi8cUMWjXAXDhS419l9IHcIhGJaK1RWMFQ/edit?pli=1#gid=2018403157 these are visually confirmed.

Skybird

11-17-23, 09:19 PM

In reality, it's all covered in Ukrainian blood, but Ukraine won against all odds, and continues to WIN against Russia, a million times stronger enemy with so much more resources.

Right now Ukraine wins battles while loosing the war in the long game. And Russia suffers high losses that nevertheless are not sufficiently high enough to stop it from winning the war in said long run.

Ukraine got where it is today due to the weapon deliveries from the US, which by trend are declining since months, and from Europe, which also cannot be repeated like they were one year ago.

I want Ukraine to win as much as you do. But I also know that without the material support from the West Ukraine cannot win. And we already did not give them what they needed already in the past months, we gave only too much to die while it was too little to live and win. What leads you to assume that this pattern all of a sudden will change against the odds and against the economic realities?

Ukraine still can win. But then it would need much more material than it got in the whole past 21 months together. Or in the words of Colonel Reisner: every day a fully loaded supply train with ammo would need to arrive in Ukraine. Plus an awesome lot of tanks. Plus aircraft. Plus sophisticated electronics. And weapons. And it must rain men in Ukraine that they can recruit. They run out of men. Those who still live, are often since months and motnhs in constant action, they must be worn out, they mist be done, and disillusionised. They are no superhumans, you know.

Wishful thinking does not win wars. Nor do pathetic propaganda videos.

The most likely scenairo as I see it at the rpesent: in second half of 2024 Ukraine will be willing, with tight lips, to negotiate terms with Russia, because it simply has no other choice. And Russia will keep huge chunks of what it has bitten out of Ukraine. Until the West sends tremendous and decisive ammounts of weapons, amo, evertyhing - much more than so far. MUCH MORE THAN SO FAR. And now the hundred million dollar question: what nation, including the US, is economically, financially, materially and last but not least: politically capable to do that? No matter who wins the US elecitons, the US will most likely drastically cut back aid to Ukraine. Trump because he wants it, Biden because he cannot overocme the internal resistence anymore. No, I do not see the big miracle happening anymore. Europe babbles itself to death instead.

And since you quoted the Germans, Dargo, the Germans babble a lot. They are just not capable to put military deeds to where their way too big babblemouth is. German "security guarantees" are worth sh!+, Germany is not capable to serve them.

Jimbuna

11-18-23, 06:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiZpypx10Bw

Jimbuna

11-18-23, 06:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v0v1H-qJx8

Skybird

11-18-23, 06:39 AM

These maps show how minor the Ukrainian retakes of territory this year really have been, despite the enormous investments made and Ukrainian losses suffered. I think that puts all the glory and hooray of all these videos back into relation. Mind you, Ukrain had 12 attack brigades in summer, 4r of which equipped by the West. They are more or less depleted. For these minor territorial gains. Ukraine announced it wants to prepare 5 new brigades for next year. Not 12 - only 5. Who should equip these they did not say. This year saw a Russia that held its ground, more or less, there was no operational breakthrough, not even at Robotyne. Next year you can expect their minefields and defences being even better prepared.

Gloomy, gloomy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

Jimbuna

11-18-23, 07:00 AM

Almost like a WWI battle map.

Jimbuna

11-18-23, 08:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ_wCAUrudE

Dargo

11-18-23, 10:01 AM

Skybird

11-18-23, 10:31 AM

The goal was ambitious (to force a major breakthrough in the south to recapture the land link between Russia and Crimea). Those high expectations were not met, Ukraine liberated some 561 square kilometres of territory spread over three sites along the front since June. But it is too short of the mark to label the counteroffensive a failure; in a number of areas, Ukraine did achieve successes.

Ukraine did manage to inflict a lot of damage on the Russian army, which prevented Russia from launching its own offensives for a long time. While Ukraine did not regain control of the south, it did wipe out Russian control of it. Long-range weapons hit important and symbolic targets, such as the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, that last resulted in a painful retreat of warships from Crimea. Expectations were simply too high, both on the Ukrainian and Western sides. Nevertheless, Ukraine wanted to try. In reality, Ukraine struggled with a lack of well-trained troops and air superiority. Western support also proved to be neither extensive nor rapid enough for the counteroffensive to succeed.

Ukraine has learned that they cannot afford a major operation because it is accompanied by great losses. Therefore, a different tactic will be chosen in the next offensive, they will try to engage the Russians in a war of attrition and attack Russian logistics.

Thats in parts almost a beautifying of the events.

In fact it was Russia launching a successful distracting counteroffensive in the East when Ukraine was marching in the south, forcing Ukriane to move more and more of it southern attack forces to the defence in the East. The point goes to Russia here, the tactical goals weres obvious, and they were achieved: diversion and distraction to stop the ukrainian offensive in its tracks. Ukraine was too weak, obviously, to hold its ground in the east without giving up major ressources for its attack in the south, and so that attack in the south more or less collapsed, in slow motion. The gained territory is strategically irrelevant. Too little gained there. Not even Tokmak was taken, not to mention Melitopol.

Russia can sustain its losses in personnel. That simple.

I do not see that Rusian control of the territory it occupies has been "wiped out", as you called it. Their control is complete enopgh that the population is at their mercy and must accept Russian passports if they want access to ongoing medical case and supply. The control of theRussians is pretty much clear, its just not without meeting reistence to it by partisans.

Attacks of symbolic value rank very low in my book, they do not impress me at all. Symbols are not the things they point at.

Ukraine switches to a war of attrition, you said. Well, thats the sort of warfare that maximises Russian "virtues" and minimizes Russian weaknesses. The supply bas eof Russia is bigger than that of Ukraine - by factors, last but not least especially in human pool size. The economic cost Russia will pay in some years do not matter for the war now, and the war now benefits from Russian wartime-like production and additional huge buyings of ammo and weapons from other allied countries, nymels North Korea, probabyl Iran, also likely: China. Where there is a will, there is a way...
When Ukraine wants to retake the moentum, it must become able again to leave staitronary trench warfare wher eRussia slwoy suzfocates it, and retake the intiave for mobile warfare. Which is increidbly difficult with alcming mobility means and thes eimmenbse minefields, total (drone-based ) transparency of the battlefield, and loiteiurng ammuntiions and artillery suzpport ont he scale we see in Ukraine. I do nto see it happening any time soon. If ever again. The successes in Khercon and Charkiw in 2022, were acchieved by surprises from highly mobile, flexib le attacks. since then, Russia has learned, slwoly, but it has improved, definitely, and the result is clear: Ukraine was not able to repeat that success story this year. Instead it got locked own, bogged down. I see no reason why to assume it will be able next year.

Add clear Russian superiority in terms of ELINT and electronic jamming.

If the West doe snot fundamentally b eef up it support, it is quite clear how this war will go on and "end". F-16s will not change that. More air defence for Ukrainian critical infrastructure also will not change that.

The West niow faces Israel-Hamas crisis, Taiwan, US eleciton, the looming threat of thigns gettign even worse after Biden when Trump launches his vendetta in case he becomes president again, European indifference and lacking material basis for ongoing military support, and dropping public and political support. Russia since summer last year has switched to play a long term strategy. And as things stand now it pays off for them. The West is already running out of breath. I cant say that of Russia.

Massiuve raiuses inb wetsern support are needed, urgently. But I do not see that happening any time soon. Or ever.

Jimbuna

11-18-23, 01:32 PM

The Kremlin has launched a wide-ranging campaign to force Ukrainians in occupied territories to become Russian, an investigation has found.

Ukrainians are being denied healthcare and free movement unless they take up Russian citizenship, evidence suggests.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67427840

mapuc

11-18-23, 02:01 PM

Time is not on Russian side either.
Losing around 1000 soldiers per day and add 2 more years to this. Not to speak about their war materials.

As I see it none of the combatant has the troops and material to end this war within the next two years. Heck they even haven't got enough to lose the war either.

The war will be a modern World War 1.

Except for one thing-The American election If Biden wins the military aid will go up massively If Trump wins well there are those who says he will end this military aid to Ukraine and instead force Ukraine to a ceasefire and/or a peace treaty under Russian terms.
This is only speculation though. He may say one things during his campaign and do otherwise after been elected.

There are different polls
Some indicate that the Average Americans are for or against US military aid to Ukraine.

Markus

Skybird

11-18-23, 02:37 PM

Biden does not rule alone. Senate and Congress have their role, too. :03:

Dargo

11-18-23, 02:56 PM

Elbit Systems to build artillery ammunition factory for mysterious buyer
Israeli-based Elbit Systems Ltd (https://elbitsystems.com/). has announced a significant milestone with the award of a $135 million contract to establish an artillery ammunition factory for an undisclosed international customer. According to the company, the two-year contract reflects Elbit Systems’ extensive expertise in ammunition production and its commitment to enhancing sovereign ammunition production capabilities for governments worldwide.

Elbit says that the company has garnered substantial technical and operational knowledge over the years, in addition to decades of experience in ammunition production, enabling it to build and operate ammunition factories and production lines across multiple sites. Elbit Systems provides comprehensive support throughout the entire product cycle, from initial design and production to ongoing maintenance and after-sales assistance.

Yehuda (Udi) Vered, General Manager of Elbit Systems Land, emphasized the growing demand from governments worldwide for the development of their domestic ammunition production capabilities. This initiative aligns with Elbit Systems’ overarching strategy of fostering international partnerships and supporting its customers by sharing its extensive expertise. The company’s commitment extends to expanding its own manufacturing capabilities and promoting collaborative growth on a global scale. https://defence-blog.com/elbit-systems-to-build-artillery-ammunition-factory-for-mysterious-buyer/

Dargo

11-18-23, 03:10 PM

A oldie it is not certain if or what Trump will do in case he is in office.

Trump administration reinstates military aid for Ukraine
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's administration has released $250 million in military aid for Ukraine, U.S. senators said on Thursday, after lawmakers from both parties expressed concern that the White House had held up money approved by Congress.

The money is intended for use by Ukraine in its struggle with pro-Russian separatists backed by Moscow. Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea region in March 2014.

Some Democrats had questioned whether the administration had withheld the money to put pressure on Ukraine's government to support Trump's re-election campaign by launching an investigation into one of Trump's main rivals in the 2020 U.S. election.

Republican and Democratic members of the Senate Appropriations Committee said the White House released the money on Wednesday night, hours before the panel was due to debate an amendment to a defence spending bill that would have prevented Trump from such actions in the future... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-idUSKCN1VX213/
Trump holds up Ukraine military aid meant to confront Russia
The Trump administration is slow-walking $250 million in military assistance to Ukraine, annoying lawmakers and advocates who argue the funding is critical to keeping Russia at bay.

President Donald Trump asked his national security team to review the funding program, known as the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, in order to ensure the money is being used in the best interest of the United States, a senior administration official told POLITICO on Wednesday.

But the delays come amid questions over Trump’s approach to Russia, after a weekend in which the president repeatedly seemed to downplay Moscow’s military intervention in Ukraine and pushed for Russia to be reinstated into the Group of Seven, an annual gathering of the world’s largest advanced economies. The review is also occurring amid a broader internal debate over whether to halt or cut billions of dollars in foreign aid. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-ukraine-military-aid-russia-1689531