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Jimbuna

08-20-23, 11:29 AM

This alcoholic simply can't or more likely, isn't allowed to see or speak sense.

This pariah state will be at odds with the majority of the civilised world for decades to come and it is the ordinary people of Russia who will pay the economic price not the wealthy oligarchs.

Most importantly, the Ukrainian civilian population who are yet to be killed, raped and kidnapped.

Deluded Putin's mouthpiece says West will 'beg' for peace talks with Russia
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/deluded-putin-s-mouthpiece-says-west-will-beg-for-peace-talks-with-russia/ar-AA1fvQib?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=243b5cd2eda24e37abb159c860cb8705&ei=16

Jimbuna

08-20-23, 12:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WX9t-ntxaY

mapuc

08-20-23, 12:34 PM

The Netherland will give 42 F16 fighter jets to Ukraine.
Denmark will give 19 F16.
In total 61+ Don't know if other NATO members will contribute with some of their F16.

Approx delivering end of -23

In these days Ukrainian pilots, engineers and ground crew is being trained in Denmark and the Netherland

Furthermore USA has approved AMRAAM 120D can be given to Ukraine and will be added to their F16.

Markus

Jimbuna

08-20-23, 12:48 PM

The problem will be keeping them safe from the Orcs when they're on the ground.

mapuc

08-20-23, 12:57 PM

Orcs is not the only problem.

The airfield and the Runway has to be clean due to the fighter jets low intake.

They also need to build concrete bunker to their F16

Just heard that 73 Ukrainians are in Denmark, whereof 8 of them are the pilot the rest is engineers and ground crew.

Markus

Jimbuna

08-20-23, 12:59 PM

I doubt there is such a thing as a missile-proof concrete bunker when you take into account the types of specialist -munitions available these days.

Exocet25fr

08-20-23, 01:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzH10WIAA78

Catfish

08-20-23, 02:15 PM

^ re your "russophobe" post, it was just quoted that the russian moon mission has been a "humiliation to Putin", and it just was a quoted article by Jim.

And although I think science should always be supported (after all rational thinking will hopefully clean the world of self-appointed dictators and states like North Korea) a successful moon mission would have been (ab)used personally by Putin to "prove" his alpha-male superiority.
So I feel sorry for the serious russian scientists, but when it comes to Putin's plans.. "Too bad. Nevermind."

Skybird

08-20-23, 02:24 PM

Thats what happens when you leave the navigation system of a lunar lander under control of a Krupps kitchen blender. :03:

Catfish

08-20-23, 02:32 PM

Thats what happens when you leave the navigation system of a lunar lander under control of a Krupps kitchen blender. :03:
From the unforgiving 'net:
"Only thing that surprises me about the Russian moon mission, is that it didn't hit a supermarket in Kyiv."

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 06:16 AM

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 06:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk5ynB4u2Vk

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 07:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjEpL6pQVSc

Exocet25fr

08-21-23, 07:59 AM

Skybird

08-21-23, 08:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjEpL6pQVSc
Pah. Selensky said in Denmark that he would give up Belgogrod for NATO membership. :har:

Reece

08-21-23, 08:31 AM

^ + :har::har:

Exocet25fr

08-21-23, 08:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jylvbaeyHPQ

mapuc

08-21-23, 08:33 AM

Russia may have 3000 of their SU-35 in total. However they haven't send all of them into the war in Ukraine. A few hundred of them are engage in the war.

F-16 is better than SU-35 even their air-to-air missiles(AMRAAM 120D) is superior to SU-35's best air-to-air missiles(forgot its name)

Markus

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 08:34 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isPeO_OPVK0

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 08:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR8lRiAnZTc

tonschk

08-21-23, 09:09 AM

Yes Exact Same Identical when operation Valkyrie was Made Against hitler When Germany Was Losing the Second WAR World Against Russia, now the exact same against Dictator Terrorist Gay zelensky Losing the War

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2308211939010324.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2308211939010324.png)

ET2SN

08-21-23, 11:07 AM

WOW!!!, 61 obsoleted F-16 only ? vs 3000 Russian Fighters in left.......:o
The SU-35 are going to have fun :oops:

Now Zelensky wants Gripen jets too.......! :yeah:

Its odd how they never mention the Rafale. :hmmm:
It seems very Aukus, um, awkward. :yep:

Skybird

08-21-23, 11:13 AM

Why should they ask for the Rafale when they know Macronman would never give them Rafales? With the Gripens, there is a chance at least, and not even an unrealistic one. Theoretically even a chance for German Eurofighters, though that would still be a long time away.

They should focus on one jet. One logistics chain. One training. One compatability program. One. Not two, three or four. One. Its not as if their maintenance system and logistics supply system do not already have both their hands full with work.

Commander Wallace

08-21-23, 11:16 AM

WOW!!!, 61 obsoleted F-16 only ? vs 3000 Russian Fighters in left.......:o
The SU-35 are going to have fun :oops:

Now Zelensky wants Gripen jets too.......! :yeah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu--OGt6AsM

And how would you know the F-16's are obsolete ? The design may be older but they are a proven design. The Russian SU-27's and their derivatives like the SU-35's are basically a take off and copy of an American F-15. The F-15 first flew in 1972 and is still a viable aircraft today.

Maybe you should read up a bit on these aircraft before you talk.

mapuc

08-21-23, 11:33 AM

ET2SN

08-21-23, 11:42 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cem-58_NKjA

Meanwhile, this guy is from Iowa. :yeah:
So he knows things...big, big, things. :O:

Commander Wallace

08-21-23, 12:03 PM

He's not the only one who has mentioned 3000 SU-35.

Putler may miss a cup or two in his attic, but he knows that one does not send the entire air force when a country are in war with another country.

Markus

The reality Markus is that the F-16 and it's many derivatives from the A-through D models, Block 52 are awesome and fearsome fighter jets in skilled hands. The U.S years earlier in Vietnam came to understand smaller fighters have their roles. The brutish F-4 wasn't a match for the basically cheap and smaller MiG-21's. The MiG 21 was fast and agile. Although the MiG-21 had a short range, it was an excellent little " Knife fighter " for what it was. It was only better training that helped the F-4 Phantom survive in Vietnam.

The Israelis have shown conclusively how good the F-16 Viper really is. With upgrades and more modern avionics, weapons and sensor suites, it's as viable today as it was when it was first envisioned and created.

These are the lessons learned. Those who forget and or ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 12:41 PM

Its odd how they never mention the Rafale. :hmmm:
It seems very Aukus, um, awkward. :yep:

I could add to that but then I'd probably have to infract or at least give myself a warning :)

And how would you know the F-16's are obsolete ? The design may be older but they are a proven design. The Russian SU-27's and their derivatives like the SU-35's are basically a take off and copy of an American F-15. The F-15 first flew in 1972 and is still a viable aircraft today.

Maybe you should read up a bit on these aircraft before you talk.

Precisely :yep:

Aktungbby

08-21-23, 12:46 PM

These are the lessons learned. Those who forget and or ignore history are doomed to repeat it....which is why I created the BOSS 'This Date in History' threadhttp://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/bestof2014_brdr_lg.png :D...so you wouldn't forget!:shucks::arrgh!::Kaleun_Goofy:

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 12:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd-aO4j-9C0

Exocet25fr

08-21-23, 12:54 PM

Rafale isn't mentioned BECAUSE REFUSED BY THE FRANCE, you didn't know? :salute:and I agree with that!

Maybe you should read up a bit on these aircraft before you talk

Commander Wallace

08-21-23, 01:07 PM

...which is why I created the BOSS 'This Date in History' thread :D...so you wouldn't forget!:shucks::arrgh!::Kaleun_Goofy:

Noted and I will take that under advisement. After all, we were taught to listen to our elders. :Kaleun_Goofy: :haha:

Skybird

08-21-23, 01:50 PM

Good news from Russia:

[Frankfurter Rundschau] A broken dam is blocking an important Russian trade route. Damage is said to run into the billions and would hit Putin's economy hard.

The Ukraine war and the sanctions imposed because of the invasion of the neighboring country in violation of international law are hurting Russia's economy. This has been the case for some time. But just in the last few weeks, the ruble has been in free fall. Putin's oil and gas engine seems to be running out of puff. Now, at precisely this time, a dam is bursting - and is probably causing major problems in the Russian economy.

The incident occurred in the Buryat region. According to the regional governor Alexey Tsydenov, a dam broke there - with what he describes as "major consequences". This is because the breach is said to have caused the Cholodnaya River to burst its banks and damaged a train line that is enormously important for Russia's economy.

"Train traffic has been suspended," Tsydenov wrote via Telegram on Aug. 20, notifying that nearly 200 meters of railroad track had been damaged, as well as ten supports of the contact network. "The damage to the country's economy due to idled freight will amount to billions of rubles," the regional governor said. In addition, there would be the cost of rehabilitation of the railroad line.

Houses have apparently not been affected by the incident. The politician also does not report anything about people injured by the dam break.

The independent Belarusian news agency Nexta, for its part, confirms the breach of the dam in Buryatia. Here, too, there is talk that train traffic along the "Baikal-Amur Magistrale" has been suspended. "Recovery will take at least a week, with huge losses looming," the agency writes, publishing footage of the situation on the ground.

With the "Baikal-Amur-Magistrate" a very important trade route of Russia was hit during the incident. It is an important transit route through Siberia. With a length of almost 4,300 kilometers, it is one of the longest railroad networks in the world. Its end is in the port city of Sovetskaya Gavan on the Pacific Ocean.

Another post from the regional governor shows just how delicate the situation is: In it, he announces that a state of emergency has been declared in the region. Accordingly, a large contingent is working feverishly to repair the situation. For the ailing Russian economy, however, the incident has certainly come at an absolutely inopportune time.

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 01:53 PM

Good news indeed :salute:

Exocet25fr

08-21-23, 01:55 PM

Russia scores double hit with missile attack on Chernihiv theater :hmmm:

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-ukraine-war-missile-attack-chernihiv-theater/

Jimbuna

08-21-23, 01:58 PM

Great to know the criminal knows his place on the world stage now.

JOHANNESBURG (AP) — Vladimir Putin will be the odd one out when leaders from the BRICS economic bloc of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa meet in Johannesburg this week.

While all the others are set to attend the meetings in person, Putin will dial in on a video call.

The reason? An International Criminal Court arrest warrant issued for the Russian president put summit host South Africa in a sticky situation and ultimately resulted in Putin staying at home.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/putin-was-meant-to-be-at-a-summit-in-south-africa-this-week-why-was-he-asked-to-stay-away/ar-AA1fA1uD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8ff12e8d57804026b5708d108e84f20d&ei=7

Catfish

08-21-23, 02:49 PM

Russia scores double hit with missile attack on Chernihiv theater :hmmm: [...] [/url]
Happened already over the weekend. Obviously drones targeted at civilians, so this time it is not an imprecise warhead but intentional :hmmm:
Putin really has a hand in uniting the world :yep:

mapuc

08-21-23, 02:58 PM

Happened already over the weekend. Obviously drones targeted at civilians, so this time it is not an imprecise warhead but intentional :hmmm:
Putin really has a hand in uniting the world :yep:

I learned in the military that even if the enemy put ammo and other military material in hospitals, theater a.s.o it's still not a valid target.
You can accuse them for having committed a war crime
If I remember correctly.

Markus

Catfish

08-21-23, 03:07 PM

^ on one hand you are right, and I second this opinion.
On the other hand.. think of WW2 :hmmm:
I hope there will be no mass drone attacks or bomber streams obliterating purely civilian "targets", regardless in Ukraine or Russia.

vanjast

08-21-23, 03:10 PM

And how would you know the F-16's are obsolete ? The design may be older but they are a proven design. The Russian SU-27's and their derivatives like the SU-35's are basically a take off and copy of an American F-15. The F-15 first flew in 1972 and is still a viable aircraft today.

:o
Nyet.. I would suggest a re-read of the documentation., and a few doccies on the west's F16 pilots themselves.
If NATO (:har:) was confident of their chances, they would have been all over the Ukraine.
They (and the West) are all very conspicious in their absence from the scene.. and all those billions. A lot of noise and no action.

I'll give you a hint.

This Ukraine 'tv' war has never happened... It's no more than a video game. :03:
Ukraine (the top echelons and their extremist supporters) were wiped out before it began.

Zelenksy is an actor on behalf of the Russians/Trump/China/India and now Saudi (BRICS extended..etc). NATO does not exist, the EU is gone. As for that 'biden'..:har:

Think about it... What proof have any of us been presented with, except actors with empty promises, grainy videos (in a high tech world). This sh.tlist goes on...

We've all been lied to, on a lot of things... I can see it, Can you ? :hmmm:
Have fun.:up:

Jeff-Groves

08-21-23, 03:21 PM

WOW! I want some of that stuff your smoking!
:har:

Catfish

08-21-23, 03:23 PM

OT: F16 advanced avionics in training.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNH6HF9ohU

You do not notice anything, it is all over before you even come to understand there was an enemy.
Also this is public material, do not expect it to be so "slow" in RL.

ET2SN

08-21-23, 03:31 PM

Also, that is supposed to depict an Aggressor squadron.
Which is nothing like how a normal fighter squadron operates. :03:

mapuc

08-21-23, 03:38 PM

Aktungbby

08-21-23, 04:03 PM

Great to know the criminal knows his place on the world stage now. Damn! He's not as "thic as a BRIC" as I'd hoped he'd be!??:timeout:

Dargo

08-21-23, 04:06 PM

We all have our beliefs and even so when it comes to the war in Ukraine.
Because none of us really knows what's going on at the frontline.

We read and listen to news of what we like to read and hear.

I believe that Ukraine has some success in some areas of the frontline.
And not so much at other areas.

We chose to see the truth - We see only what we want to see whether it is the truth or not.

I also like to read the ISW page now and then.

MarkusUkraine has more success than Russia, it fights a war that no modern western army has faced with the conditions of Ukraine have. The overkill of Russian minefields no army can have those gains without air superiority this offensive is too much hyped by the west the past offensives of Ukraine are won under totally other conditions, so it goes slow Ukraine has still got 1 1/2 months if they can go on this way they save more lives. Ukraine has still got reserves and will build up more this winter for the next round. We never expected the support they got bit by bit, they get more and better material their war production is growing they build more factories that will build/repair western weapons. Also do not think Trump will stop this all this war is business big business he is the guy that wants to make money this war is a lot of money for the US do not think all this support is free. Trump in the past wanted to hold off delivery of weapons to Ukraine till the MOD told him that this support meant the US profits, he suddenly agreed to the delivery.

Dargo

08-21-23, 04:35 PM

The Netherlands is unlikely to deliver most of the promised F-16s to Ukraine until the end of 2024. The Dutch Ministry of Defence reported this to the newspaper NRC today. The planes must first be replaced by the newer F-35s. Dutch Prime Minister Rutte announced on Sunday that the Netherlands, like Denmark, will supply the modern fighter jets that Kyiv has long been asking for. Currently, the Netherlands owns 42 F-16s, but exactly how many will be delivered, Rutte did not say.

24 aircraft are currently still operational and in use at Volkel airbase, including for guarding Benelux airspace. These aircraft will not become available until all the tasks they currently perform can be fully taken over by the newer F-35 models. The exact date when all F-16s will be replaced depends on several factors, including the training of sufficient technical personnel, the ministry said.

The vast majority of the 18 models the Netherlands has in reserve are unlikely to be delivered to Ukraine, but may be used to train Ukrainian fighter pilots in Denmark or Romania. According to resigned Prime Minister Rutte, the number of training aircraft needed is still being examined.

mapuc

08-21-23, 04:41 PM

Ukraine has more success than Russia, it fights a war that no modern western army has faced with the conditions of Ukraine have. The overkill of Russian minefields no army can have those gains without air superiority this offensive is too much hyped by the west the past offensives of Ukraine are won under totally other conditions, so it goes slow Ukraine has still got 1 1/2 months if they can go on this way they save more lives. Ukraine has still got reserves and will build up more this winter for the next round. We never expected the support they got bit by bit, they get more and better material their war production is growing they build more factories that will build/repair western weapons. Also do not think Trump will stop this all this war is business big business he is the guy that wants to make money this war is a lot of money for the US do not think all this support is free. Trump in the past wanted to hold off delivery of weapons to Ukraine till the MOD told him that this support meant the US profits, he suddenly agreed to the delivery.

Welcome back.
They may have more success than the Russians. However their advancement is a tad to slow.

A question
Why did Donbas and Luhansk oblast leave Ukraine ?

Markus

Dargo

08-21-23, 04:50 PM

Welcome back.
They may have more success than the Russians. However their advancement is a tad to slow.

A question
Why did Donbas and Luhansk oblast leave Ukraine ?

MarkusThis began as Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatists seized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states. Basically a coup by Russia.

mapuc

08-21-23, 04:57 PM

This began as Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatists seized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states. Basically a coup by Russia.

I say this is more the truth than the story that the Russians in these two areas wanted to be part of Russia.

What my friends is critical about are the way Ukrainian dealt with it. They accuse Ukraine for having killed thousand of civilians in Donbas and Luhansk.

I have hard to believe this.

Markus

Dargo

08-21-23, 05:07 PM

I say this is more the truth than the story that the Russians in these two areas wanted to be part of Russia.

What my friends is critical about are the way Ukrainian dealt with it. They accuse Ukraine for having killed thousand of civilians in Donbas and Luhansk.

I have hard to believe this.

MarkusI have not seen any proof of Ukraine killing thousand of civilians in Donbas and Luhansk, Russia never shown the mass graves if this was true they could go to international court Russia never did because it has not happened,

tonschk

08-21-23, 06:09 PM

Ukraine LOSING In 2023? Almost NO CHANCE They'll Overcome DISASTROUS Counteroffensive: Lt Col Davis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH2mmqhTpi8

Skybird

08-21-23, 06:40 PM

[FOCUS] By forming a new army, Russia is responding to the Ukrainian offensive in the south of the country, according to British intelligence. Russia is thus reacting to the "reality of war," the British Ministry of Defense announced on Monday. The goal, it said, is to be able to deploy more experienced units to fight on key axes. For example, airborne troops were most likely moved from the Kherson region to the heavily contested Orikhiv sector recently.

The new 18th Army is composed of various units currently deployed in Kherson Oblast, the statement added. Among them is the 22nd Army Corps, which actually forms the occupation force on the annexed Crimean peninsula. This will then be withdrawn from there.

"The 18th Army is likely to consist mainly of mobilized personnel and will focus on defensive security operations in southern Ukraine," the London statement continued. Already in early August, the British ministry had said that Russia had recently built up new combat units on a larger scale.

August

08-21-23, 08:55 PM

I have not seen any proof of Ukraine killing thousand of civilians in Donbas and Luhansk, Russia never shown the mass graves if this was true they could go to international court Russia never did because it has not happened,

Of course it didn't happen. People also forget that Russian supporters in those provinces never amounted to more than 30% of the population.

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 04:23 AM

Happened already over the weekend. Obviously drones targeted at civilians, so this time it is not an imprecise warhead but intentional :hmmm:
Putin really has a hand in uniting the world :yep:

Putin is a wanted man (can't believe I used that word), a war criminal and a tyrant running a country that has now reached the status of being labelled as a pariah by the majority of countries worldwide.

Your patience is highly commendable and far better than mine (feel free to PM me on that)

WOW! I want some of that stuff your smoking!
:har:

Gotta get some of that :hmmm:

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 04:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzk66XIPL0I

Skybird

08-22-23, 05:02 AM

Putin is a wanted man (can't believe I used that word), a war criminal and a tyrant running a country that has now reached the status of being labelled as a pariah by the majority of countries worldwide.

Words. Free of charge.

The majority of these countries still does business with Russia, and violates sanctions. The West thinks it has the majority of the world on its side. That was not the case and sitll is not the case. Regrettable, but true.

Lets face it, for the vast majority of the globe the ukraine war simply does not trigger that much interest like for us, like we do not show too much interest in regional wars here and there. And the times when the West dictates the rest of the world lessons and conditions, are over. Africa and Latin America increasingly define their interests all by themselves and do not listen to Washington, London, Paris or Brussel anymore. Berlin not anyway. Or just look at the Golf region, Saudi Arabia, how it turns its coat. Brasil'S Lula is not the friendly ecologist Westerners hoped him to be.India does it sown thing. South Africa.

No, the West does not represent the majority opinion on the Ukriane war int he world. And those natiosn who need grain, preodmnianntly want Uktriane to play ball and make conessions, so that the grain gets transported again. Ukraine's fate they pay no interest to. Its remarkable how few of these states make Russia responsible for the war and the grain shortage.

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 05:06 AM

To each their own.

mapuc

08-22-23, 05:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2rtIkJ5h1k&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

tonschk

08-22-23, 06:23 AM

Zelensky didn’t even do his compulsory military service. His draft-dodging has long prompted jeers from political opponents.

Up until his decision to run for president in Ukraine’s 2019 election, Volodymyr Zelensky was largely absent from the country’s political history. He played no role in the two upheavals that shook Maidan Square in Kyiv in the first two decades of this century: the Orange Revolution of 2004 and 2005 that compelled election officials to scrap a fraudulent runoff, and the deadly clashes in 2014 that forced pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych from power and invited Russian President Vladimir Putin’s first military intervention. Zelensky didn’t even do his compulsory military service. His draft-dodging has long prompted jeers from political opponents.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/03/volodymyr-zelensky-biography-review-rudenko-ukraine-president/

Commander Wallace

08-22-23, 06:36 AM

Reece

08-22-23, 07:28 AM

Amen to that!! :Kaleun_Salute:

Exocet25fr

08-22-23, 07:29 AM

Democratic suggestion.....:hmmm:

Ukrainian reconnaissance boat destroyed

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230822-%F0%9F%94%B4live-russia-claims-it-destroyed-ukrainian-reconnaissance-boat-in-black-sea

Skybird

08-22-23, 08:38 AM

Russia is not the only one havign problems with morale and conscription.

[Frankfurter Rundschau] After 18 months of war in Ukraine, the willingness of Ukrainian men to go to war is apparently declining, but there are also problems with morale on the Russian side. As a result, the country is struggling to meet its need for soldiers. According to the BBC, Ukraine constantly has to replace tens of thousands of soldiers killed or injured in the war against Russia. Many conscripts try to avoid being drafted by leaving the country or finding other ways to avoid going to the front.

The martial law that has prevailed since the war of aggression began in Ukraine has taken away the men's choice: They have to fight, but many do not want to. This mainly affects men under 60, who are therefore unable to leave Ukraine. According to the BBC, there are only exceptions in the case of serious health problems, single parents and if they are caring for a person in need of protection. Then one can officially avoid conscription. But many try to find unofficial ways.

To avoid being called up, many men leave the country. Those who stay help each other in mass group chats, BBC reports. On Telegram threads, tips are said to be shared about where there are checks or patrols. These chats are said to exist across the country, with more than 100,000 members each, according to the BBC.

This is because trust in the authorities doing the recruiting is also said to have been lost. According to the BBC, there are allegations that would range from corruption to intimidating methods of the officials.

Aktungbby

08-22-23, 09:52 AM

Of particular distress and in today's WSJ: more than 2000 Ukranian children have been brought to Belarus's capital, Minsk. Russia has also taken 20,000 of Ukrainian children out of Ukraine. The transfer of orphans accross boarders without permission of their home country's government is illegal under international law. Moscow administers the occupied territories and declars them Russian territory, but its claims aren't recognized internationally. In the case of children who aren't conveniently "orphans",itcouldn't be determined whether their families consented to transfer to Belarus. Videos of the facilities hosting the children show they were given basic arms training, met with Russian Orthodox priests and were regaled with flashy shows glorifying Putin...and calling for the deaths of Biden and Volodymyr Zelensky. This is reminiscent of Hitler's Lebensborn program in 1939 Poland where blond, blue-eyed, Aryan even Jewis kids were removed to Nazi Germany for re-education and nazification while their parents were gassed; ie: indoctrinated cannonfodder. Including the original false flag attack intercepted by US intelligence prior to the Ukranian invasion, Putin's game-plan is a rehash of Hitler's...right down to isolation in the Kremlin as in the Berlin bunker in 1945; ie: Vladimir Putin, an internationally wanted war criminal, does not intend to travel to South Africa to attend the BRIC convention...with his good 'perpetual buddy', Premier Xi!? :timeout: WW II ended with tactical nukes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki...perhaps one could be deployed on Johannisburg...averting an all-out global WWIII conflgration...but who thinks like that!?:o

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 11:36 AM

You sound like a broken record. Get over it-If you can.

Amen to that!! :Kaleun_Salute:

Yes, I'm slowly coming round to that conclusion as well :yep:

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 12:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h46VqJ2y69o

mapuc

08-22-23, 12:51 PM

They(F-16) would be shot down as soon as they are detected by the Russian.

This is what some of my friends are convinced of.

Markus

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 12:58 PM

Would these people be the kind of 'friends' who predicted the Ukraine would be defeated by the Orcs within days of the invasion?

mapuc

08-22-23, 01:14 PM

Would these people be the kind of 'friends' who predicted the Ukraine would be defeated by the Orcs within days of the invasion?

They are indeed.

Thinking that they wouldn't lose any of these F-16 is wishful thinking.

But losing all of them is not going to happen.

It would be great though if they manage to use them without losses.

Markus

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 01:18 PM

All wars bring with them casualties unfortunately Markus but hopefully as few as possible.

mapuc

08-22-23, 01:25 PM

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 01:31 PM

Nothing will stop Russia I'm afraid unless NATO come up with a solution because NATO is the only entity Putin is wary of.

Jeff-Groves

08-22-23, 01:35 PM

Let us help the Ukrainians until the end of the war or until some kind of peace treaty is made.(This is my personal standpoint)

There are voices here in Denmark and Sweden, that by helping Ukraine we are postpone the suffering among the civilians-and we thereby should stop sending military stuff, medical aid and/or money.

Markus

Now that's a good thought. Maybe the USA should have ended the suffering in Europe earlier during Hitlers rampage by just letting you all handle it yourselves.

Catfish

08-22-23, 01:37 PM

^ i would prefer to assist Ukraine in a way that the war is ends soon with Ukraine getting back its territories. And this will only work with massive support.
Any peace treaty with Russia will be seen as a weakness and appeasement by Putin and his cronies, and they will be trying to invade again in a few years unless we put an end to their imperialism now.

Jeff-Groves

08-22-23, 01:45 PM

^You may have missed the sarcasim I intended.
Had the USA left Europe on it's own in the 1940's?
There'd probably be no action in Ukraine. Nor voices to complain in Denmark or Sweden today.

Jimbuna

08-22-23, 01:46 PM

mapuc

08-22-23, 01:50 PM

Now that's a good thought. Maybe the USA should have ended the suffering in Europe earlier during Hitlers rampage by just letting you all handle it yourselves.

I translated your comment to Danish and posted it with some extra words on a friends wall. He had posted a Danish article about just this-We should stop sending help to Ukraine.

Now I await any answer

Markus

Skybird

08-22-23, 05:42 PM

[Süddeutsche Zeitung] In Ukraine, an overwhelming majority in a poll opposed compromises with wartime adversary Russia in exchange for a peace deal. According to the results of two renowned institutes, more than 90 percent of the approximately 2,000 respondents were against ceding territory. Almost 74 percent ruled out renouncing membership in the NATO military alliance. A reduction in the number of troops in the army in peacetime was rejected by 80 percent.

At the same time, however, only just under 49 percent of Ukrainians saw a positive development of events in their own country. Last December, after the successful expulsion of Russian occupiers from northern Ukraine and large parts of Kharkiv and Kherson regions, nearly 60 percent still believed that.

Among the demands of Russia, the aggressor, is that Ukrainians relinquish state territory in the east and south, including the Crimean peninsula annexed in 2014. Ukraine should also refrain from joining the Western military alliance NATO, which is enshrined in the constitution. In addition, Kiev should agree to extensive demilitarization and grant more rights to the Russian minority in the country. Moscow currently controls nearly 20 percent of Ukraine's territory.

The survey was compiled from August 9-15 in government-controlled regions excluding Luhansk Oblast, Donetsk Oblast, and the Black Sea Crimean Peninsula. A total of 2019 adult Ukrainians were interviewed in person. The margin of error is not to exceed 2.3 percent.

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So they say, "We will continue to fight". Okay, the question of whether or not it is moral to continue military support has been answered. Because the only entity that can legitimately answer the question of whether to continue to resist or to surrender to the aggressor is the victim, nobody else.

^ i would prefer to assist Ukraine in a way that the war is ends soon with Ukraine getting back its territories. And this will only work with massive support.
Any peace treaty with Russia will be seen as a weakness and appeasement by Putin and his cronies, and they will be trying to invade again in a few years unless we put an end to their imperialism now.
You probably have red/seen/heard of Medwedev's latest tirade. Sometimes even Goebbels sounded like a layman, compared to this scumbag.

But it shows that without Putin things may become miuch worse. Domnian parts of the military and seucirty aparatus want to escalate and are not satisfied with Putin's "softness". They especially want unlimited generla mobilization to cover Ukraine territory with a 1.5 m thick layer of Russian and Ukrainian bodies. More bodies than Ukraine has bullets to kill them all, thats the logic.

Nothing will stop Russia I'm afraid unless NATO come up with a solution because NATO is the only entity Putin is wary of.

Unfortunately he is also aware of the psyhcological weakness of Wetsenr societies, whcih is a fact imo, and he may rate this as more decisive than NATO's military abilities (with all its low ammo stocks of European arsenals and the lesser interest of states to fight Russia the further away from it they are in the West of the continent...)

Lets face it, Europeans are too comfortable to take care of their own freedom and countries, the brunt of the fighting thus would be carried by Americans again. I cannot criticise them if they are not eager to do so (again). If I were American, I woudl say "No, not again. Its your turn."

Its our Europe, it should be our job. But we will NEVER pick it up, I'm afraid. The lousy state most of our militaries are in (not just the pitiful German one), speaks volumes. And Germany has fully pulled out of its Zeitenwende promise, and has officially sacked all implied fund raises. That tells all, doesn't it. Worse still, debts from other policy areas and spending in those areas , will be counted as positive saldi of the German defence budget in the budget for 2024 to make it look bigger than it is and to appease NATO with financial phantoms and money that does not exist. Like they already do with troop contingents they report as available but that do not exist. - Your read that right, trust your eyes. Insanity rules. Rationality and responsibility got murdered in their beds long time ago.

tonschk

08-22-23, 06:19 PM

Ex-CIA: US Pentagon PANICS As Ukraine Collapses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iUHwQ9PKiM

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 03:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot_O1SAoLcY

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 04:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yyPCauV2Zs

Skybird

08-23-23, 05:48 AM

Ukrainian intelligence reports Russia is sinking its own ferries around the Kerch Bridge to protect itself from Ukrainian drone attacks. :D

Exocet25fr

08-23-23, 06:10 AM

mapuc

08-23-23, 08:12 AM

Skybird

08-23-23, 09:25 AM

Ukraine will be unable to defeat Russia on the battlefield as Moscow has more men and an “impressive” advantage in firepower, retired Italian general Marco Bertolini has said (ex-NATO general)! :hmmm:

“The Ukrainian victory is inconceivable. We must take note of this fact and sit at the negotiating table, his war should’ve been stopped much earlier, but in recent months the rhetoric of ‘we will win’ has been cultivated, fueling the expectations in the public opinion of a victory that is impossible on the ground. The Ukrainians will not prevail! :06:
The description of the deficit is correct, but the conclusion is a shame. My diagnosis is much the same, but my conclusion is that the West must switch to war production NOW and must multiply supplies of ammo and weapons to assist Ukraine drowning as many Russians on Ukrainian soil in their blood as possible in as shortest time as possible, and continuing this process as long as necessary - either until the Russian are fed up and leave, of stop to exist as a survivable entity because their men are all dead.

Grim times. Grim deeds are needed. Europe still fosters its precious illusions. Especially Germany.

Too many in the West have already given up and want to surrender. Because thats what they talk of: Ukraine's surrender (and that of bigmouthed Western moralism).

Operetta heros we are, in funny costumes. Next winter we again will heat with Ukrainian blood.

However, if the Western politicians do not have the will to win at all, such as Scholz, then it should indeed be reconsidered to continue. In any case, this Italian general has no will to win, that much is certain.

Exocet25fr

08-23-23, 10:52 AM

Ukraine will not receive the US-made fighter jets for at least six months, according to its defense minister! Aleksey Reznikov announced on Tuesday, citing the need to train more personnel. The Pentagon has stressed though that final authorization for the transfers will only be given after Kiev meets “certain criteria.” Among them is that Ukrainian pilots and ground personnel undergo a training course to operate and maintain the planes, which also includes English language tuition.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has also insisted that any F-16s delivered to Ukraine “will burn” just like 25 Leopard-2 tanks, 21 American Bradley Fighting Vehicles, and other Western-supplied weapons!

We can see in which directions… we are moving forward. It’s very difficult for us, because there is heavy mining, thousands of mines, the Ukrainian leader said during a press conference on Wednesday, when asked about the armed campaign against Russia.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, describing Kiev’s tactics on Wednesday, said: “They are throwing [Ukrainian soldiers] on our minefields, under our artillery fire, acting as if they are not their own citizens at all. It is astonishing.”

The American economy is no longer what it was, so European states must step in, the Heritage Foundation’s Kevin Roberts has said :D

The US should reduce the assistance it’s providing to Ukraine because it cannot maintain its current level of support. European nations need to do more so Kiev can keep fighting Russia. It’s impossible for us to prosecute military interventions in multiple places around the world!. Roberts said he wanted the Ukrainians to “win” and urged Germany and France to “pull more of their own weight” to achieve that goal.:yeah:

https://www.rt.com/russia/581706-zelensky-counteroffensive-difficult-progress/

Jeff-Groves

08-23-23, 11:22 AM

Probably should have saved our money and not Liberated France back in the 40's.
:hmmm:

France was doing so well under the rule of Hitler back then right?

Exocet25fr

08-23-23, 11:28 AM

You FORGET the RUSSIANS of course, and please say THANKS to LAFAYETTE....!:haha:

FUBAR295

08-23-23, 11:45 AM

... and please say THANKS to LAFAYETTE....!:haha:

We did twice :yep:, saving you from those pesky Germans:salute:. Short term memory you have, I see. :hmm2:

Stop the Russian placating now, or you'll be clamoring for us to save again.

Jeff-Groves

08-23-23, 11:55 AM

You FORGET the RUSSIANS of course,

Yes. How can I forget the ZERO number of Troops sent to aid us or the ZERO amount of money given to us back then?
:hmmm:

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 12:15 PM

We did twice :yep:, saving you from those pesky Germans:salute:. Short term memory you have, I see. :hmm2:

Stop the Russian placating now, or you'll be clamoring for us to save again.

Wise words.

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 12:16 PM

Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia, with nine other people on board also dead

Putins revenge?

Dargo

08-23-23, 12:19 PM

Russian pilot hands over Mi-8 helicopter with spare parts for fighter jets to UkraineÂ’s Defence Intelligence
As a result of a special operation, the Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine drew a Mi-8AMTSh helicopter with its crew to the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainian Pravda reported (https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2023/08/23/7416758/) on this.

The Defence IntelligenceÂ’s special operation lasted over six months, resulting in the capture of the helicopter with the crew, and the equipment it was carrying. The Mi-8AMTSh (62 Red Â– aircraft number) helicopter is part of the 2nd helicopter squadron of the 337th Separate Helicopter Regiment (military unit 12739) based at the Tolmachevo airport. There were two crew members in the helicopter with the pilot, and they were eliminated by the Defence Intelligence. The pilot himself is currently in Ukraine with his family, who were moved out of Russia in advance.

During the search, UkraineÂ’s Defence Intelligence officers found spare parts for fighter jets in the cargo compartment. As a result of this special operation, the helicopter, along with aircraft parts and equipment, remained in Ukraine. In addition, a DMR-400T device was found, which is designed to work with generators and DC starter generators with a voltage of 28.5V and a capacity of up to 12 kW. This is not the first time that Russian pilots have been drawn to Ukraine along with their equipment. For example, in the spring of 2023, an unsuccessful attempt to lure out a Russian pilot of a Su-24/34 bomber in the summer of 2022 was reported. https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russian-pilot-hands-over-mi-8-helicopter-with-spare-parts-for-fighter-jets-to-ukraine-s-defence-intelligence/

Putins revenge?A plane carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin has crashed in Russia's Tver region. According to preliminary information from Russia's emergencies ministry, all on board were killed.

Aviation authorities identified Prigozhin as one of the people on board, but his condition remains unknown. https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1694396213552935335

Russian Channel VChK-OGPU says Dmitry Utkin, Prigozhin second in command, was also on the plane Wagner is beheaded.

Rockstar

08-23-23, 12:21 PM

Prigozhin On Fire! :up: :Kaleun_Cheers:

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 12:22 PM

Prigozhin On Fire! :up: :Kaleun_Cheers:

Wonder how the Orc supporters will react.

Jeff-Groves

08-23-23, 12:25 PM

I'm sure that was just an accident.
:roll:

Aktungbby

08-23-23, 12:29 PM

...well at least he avoided highrise balconies!:arrgh!::O::oops:Wagner is beheaded!!?:/\\chop:dead:

Jeff-Groves

08-23-23, 12:38 PM

The possible rise of a Real World Hydra.
:haha:

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 12:43 PM

I'm sure that was just an accident.
:roll:

Hopefully the next accident will be the top guy.

Jeff-Groves

08-23-23, 12:54 PM

Probably a French built airplane.
:03:

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 12:58 PM

:)

Brazilian Embraer apparently.

Commander Wallace

08-23-23, 01:01 PM

I saw this and thought it might be of interest.

New video captures the moment Ukrainian forces destroyed a Russian S-400, a rare loss of a prized and formidable air-defense system

Jake Epstein
Wed, August 23, 2023 at 11:50 AM EDT

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/psMIJVcnz6iT0TsiLfgJHw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7aD0xMTgyO2NmPXdlYn A-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/business_insider_articles_888/4d48596781e14744a8f6c976632325c1

A video captures the moment an S-400 explodes in Crimea.Screengrab/Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine

Ukraine published a video on Wednesday showing the moment it destroyed a Russian S-400.
The S-400 is formidable air-defense system that has drawn comparisons to the US Patriot battery.
Kyiv's military intelligence said in a statement that the attack dealt a "painful blow" to Russia.

Ukraine's military intelligence agency said a Russian S-400 air-defense system on the occupied Crimean peninsula was destroyed on Wednesday, marking a rare loss of one of Moscow's more celebrated and formidable weapons.

A video published by the Ukrainian Main Directorate of Intelligence, an arm of the country's defense ministry that's also known as the HUR, shows the moment that the S-400 erupts into a massive fireball. The footage, which appears to have been captured by a drone, shows a faraway and close-up
view of the explosion.

The HUR wrote in a Telegram post that the explosion occurred around 10 am near Olenivka, a small village at the Crimea's westernmost point along the Black Sea. Kyiv said the attack destroyed the S-400 launcher, its accompanying missiles, and the personnel operating the system.
"Given the limited number of such complexes in the enemy's arsenal, this is a painful blow to the air defense system of the occupiers, which will have a serious impact on further events in the occupied Crimea," the HUR said, according to a translation by Anton Gerashchenko, an advisor in Ukraine's internal affairs ministry.

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Update your settings here to see it. (https://yahoo.mydashboard.oath.com/guc-redirect?app=sellPersonalInformation&bucket=pd_2&lang=en-US)
Russia's advanced S-400 Triumf (https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-using-s400-air-defense-missiles-to-attack-ground-targets-2023-5?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) is a mobile, surface-to-air system that's capable of shooting down targets at high altitudes and long ranges. Highly praised by Moscow, the formidable S-400 — which is a successor to the older S-200 and S-300 — can engage (https://www.businessinsider.com/surface-to-air-missiles-hitting-land-targets-in-ukraine-war-2023-8?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) cruise and ballistic missiles, as well as aircraft and drones, and is considered to be the Russian equivalent to the American Patriot system.

Despite losing an overwhelming amount of military equipment throughout the 18-month-long conflict, Russia has managed to keep its valuable S-400s out of harm's way for the most part. According to open-source intelligence site (https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html) Oryx, Moscow's military had lost just three S-400 launchers and one command post for the system.
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/rQGnkWoPAdF6xH_8j07tfQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTQ5NTtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/business_insider_articles_888/f5002951a245aef33c73e55f597019d8

An S-400 Triumf, also known as a SA-21 Growler, during exercises outside Moscow on December 2, 2010.ANDREY SMIRNOV/AFP via Getty Images
It's not immediately clear where the strike that eliminated the latest system came from or what specific weapon was used to do it, but Olenivka is in range of a long-range missile (https://www.businessinsider.com/storm-shadow-hits-2-crimea-bridges-scalps-missile-arrive-france-2023-8?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) that Ukraine has in its arsenal: the Storm Shadows/SCALP-EGs provided by the British and French which offer an impressive operational range of 155 miles.

Ukraine has asserted repeatedly that it remains unwavering (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/europe/ukraine-defense-minister-oleksii-reznikov-intl/index.html) in its goal to eventually liberate Crimea — illegally annexed by Russia in 2014 and still not recognized as Russian territory by Western governments. Kyiv's forces have increasingly stepped up attacks (https://www.businessinsider.com/video-russia-fail-stop-ukrainian-drone-boat-hit-key-bridge-2023-8?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) there, including a recent sea drone (https://www.businessinsider.com/video-russia-fail-stop-ukrainian-drone-boat-hit-key-bridge-2023-8?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) strike on the key Kerch Bridge, which connects the Crimea with mainland Russia and is a symbol of the Kremlin's hope to occupy the peninsula forever.

Kyrylo Budanov, chief of Ukraine's military intelligence agency, said in a media interview (https://gur.gov.ua/en/content/bahato-liudei-chekaiut-deokupatsii-krymu-kyrylo-budanov.html) on Tuesday that many individuals living in Crimea are looking forward to its eventual liberation by Ukraine, and he even appeared to hint that a future attack on the peninsula was coming.
"We need to give them confidence that their hopes are not in vain. That's why we have to hold events such as the Crimean Platform, events, let's say, with the resistance movement in the temporarily occupied territories, just destroy the occupiers in our Crimea, which, in principle, you see, and will see in the coming days," Budanov said.

Wednesday's S-400 incident marks the latest demonstration of Ukraine's significant deep-strike capabilities. In recent weeks, Kyiv has managed to threaten Russian positions far beyond the southern and eastern front lines, striking targets (https://www.businessinsider.com/video-russia-fail-stop-ukrainian-drone-boat-hit-key-bridge-2023-8?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) around the Black Sea, Crimea, and even on Russia's internationally recognized territory. Drone attacks (https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-getting-hit-home-moscow-ukraine-says-one-way-stop-2023-8?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) on Moscow, for example, have become a regular occurrence, although they likely cause more psychological damage than physical harm.
Read the original article on Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/video-ukraine-destroys-russian-s-400-rare-loss-prized-weapon-2023-8)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-captures-moment-ukrainian-forces-155053545.html

All sorts of good news. :yep:

Aktungbby

08-23-23, 01:06 PM

:)

Brazilian Embraer apparently.

...as in the 'B' in BRIC!?? Consider the convenient airplane accident to the Polish head of state and his entourage a while back...this becoming 'modus operendi II'...:hmmm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolensk_air_disaster in a Tupolev Tu-154M...as in the 'R' in BRIC with partial blame for 'controller errors' at Smolensk airport??:shifty::nope::timeout: Both the Russian and Polish official investigations found no technical faults with the aircraft, and concluded that the crew failed to conduct the approach in a safe manner in the given weather conditions. The Polish authorities found serious deficiencies in the organization and training of the Air Force unit involved, which was subsequently disbanded. Several high-ranking members of the Polish military resigned following pressure from politicians and the media.

Various conspiracy theories have been circulated alleging that the plane had been deliberately brought down by the Russians in an act of political assassination, with these theories also typically alleging that the 2011 investigations constituted a cover-up and that the Polish government of the time — primarily controlled by the Civic Platform party as opposed to Lech Kaczyński's Law and Justice party — was complicit in or aware of the plot or at least aided in the efforts to cover it up.\While neither of the 2011 investigations reported any evidence supporting these claims, with the Polish investigation also examining whether Russian air control failures were a contributory factor in the crash,\ the conspiracy theories are regularly promoted by the Law and Justice party and its supporters in general[4] and by party leader Jarosław Kaczyński, twin brother of Lech Kaczyński, and deputy party leader Antoni Macierewicz in particular,\and were given an official veneer following the 2022 conclusion of a further investigation by the Polish government, which by then was being led by the Law and Justice party.\The new report did not produce any evidence that could conclusively challenge the 2011 reports,\ and was later indicated to have been the subject of tampered evidence.\

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 01:12 PM

^ I'll await Putins response and probably believe that :yep:

https://i.postimg.cc/nz1st9PM/liaranimatedanimationli-1.gif (https://postimages.org/)

mapuc

08-23-23, 01:18 PM

https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1694413034150670582

Markus

Dargo

08-23-23, 01:22 PM

^ I'll await Putins response and probably believe that :yep:

https://i.postimg.cc/nz1st9PM/liaranimatedanimationli-1.gif (https://postimages.org/)Time sure does fly, unlike some planes, apparently.:D:03:

Rockstar

08-23-23, 01:35 PM

Wagner Airlines safety record took a hit today.

https://youtu.be/CCoXNIM7SBY

Jimbuna

08-23-23, 01:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDbuJhuJs70

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b19ouZgHJvk

ET2SN

08-23-23, 02:59 PM

Now, now. We need the proper decorum in light of this tragic news. :yep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0MK_0e2uSQ

Skybird

08-23-23, 03:05 PM

Prigozhin was a walking dead, and everybody knew it. Putler knows only one way to deal with traitors. And I even agree, for only this one time. No tear shed by me.

Wagner claims Russian air defence shot the plane down.

mapuc

08-23-23, 03:27 PM

Does this mean that Wagner group is no more or what ?

Markus

Dargo

08-23-23, 03:40 PM

Does this mean that Wagner group is no more or what ?

MarkusLooks like the entire leadership of Wagner is gone. Russian state media say Air Transport Agency published list of names on board the crashed Embraer:

Propustin Sergey
Makaryan Evgeniy
Totmin Alexander
Chekalov Valeriy
Utkin Dmitry
Matuseev Nikolay
Prigozhin Evgeniy

The usual end of a Wagner opera: Everybody is dead...

Skybird

08-23-23, 04:32 PM

If true what were they thinking to all sit in one plane together...? :haha:

August

08-23-23, 06:30 PM

Looks like the entire leadership of Wagner is gone. Russian state media say Air Transport Agency published list of names on board the crashed Embraer:

Propustin Sergey
Makaryan Evgeniy
Totmin Alexander
Chekalov Valeriy
Utkin Dmitry
Matuseev Nikolay
Prigozhin Evgeniy

The usual end of a Wagner opera: Everybody is dead...

First it was supported to be 10 people aboard, the Russians are now claiming that there were only 8 bodies recovered, and your list only has 7.

I wonder if Pregozhin and Ukin were tipped off about the impending "accident" and are now on the lam somewhere.

Ostfriese

08-23-23, 11:39 PM

Does this mean that Wagner group is no more or what ?

Markus

How much of that group had been left after the failed clownery they called a coup, anyway?
Prigoszhin ending like Italo Balbo is deeply ironic, though.

Catfish

08-24-23, 03:15 AM

[...] Prigoszhin ending like Italo Balbo is deeply ironic, though.
This is indeed a fitting analogy, though Balbo was by far a better man.

Catfish

08-24-23, 03:28 AM

First it was supported to be 10 people aboard, the Russians are now claiming that there were only 8 bodies recovered, and your list only has 7.
I wonder if Pregozhin and Ukin were tipped off about the impending "accident" and are now on the lam somewhere.
Russia's Federal Agency for Air Transport (Rosaviatsiya) released this flight list:

Passengers:
Propustin Sergey
Makaryan Evgeniy
Totmin Aleksandr
Chekalov Valeriy
Utkin Dmitriy
Matuseev Nikolay
Prigozhin Evgeniy

Crew members:
Levshin Aleksei
Karimov Rustam
Raspopova Kristina

Could be Prigozhin has been killed by Putin's order,
or he was tipped off by a friend,
or it was an agreement with Putin that Prigozhin should be declared dead that way and get out of the situation altogether (win for both, and what would both care about some innocent crew or others sacrificed for THEIR better good).

Most likely scenario is of course he was killed by Putin's long arm.

One outcome might be that Wagner does now revolt against Putin's long-shown backstabbing against Wagner

"Wagner PMC mercenaries are going to take revenge on Putin and Shoigu for the death of their leader. Calls for revenge against the killers fill the chat rooms of Prigozhin's channels. Law enforcers of two regions have been raised on alert."

"If Prigozhin's death is confirmed, the Kremlin will be captured - Telegram channels close to Wagner PMC claim."

but I heard the Wagnerites in Russia are now trying to flee to Belarus.

I guess russian anchorman and chief propagandist Solovyev is quite right in telling his twitter friends to hold back with their opinions until the glorious leader has published HIS view of things:
"Russian propagandist Solovyev writes on his Telegram channel:
"Colleagues, I keep silence intentionally and I advise you to do the same. Silence is worth more than gold now".
Solovyev awaits instructions?" :03:

Skybird

08-24-23, 06:24 AM

I am not so sure at all that Prigozhin is dead. The crowded plane (=bait), a second plane, his knowledge that he needed to be declare dead if he wants to live on, else Putin would never stop hanging on his throat, the easiness by which Prigozhin wastes lives and sends people into death for his own interest.

As long as no remains get found that can be genetically analysed and get confirmed by trustworthy sources, I stay sceptical.

Jimbuna

08-24-23, 06:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H2FGud37RQ

Ostfriese

08-24-23, 06:27 AM

This is indeed a fitting analogy, though Balbo was by far a better man.

Well, better, but not necessarily "by far". Balbo was one of the key architects of the rise of fascism in Italy, one of the central organizers of the March on Rome.
But he opposed Italy's alliance with Nazi Germany and antisemitism, and he was a competent general, so I'd go with "somewhat better".

Jimbuna

08-24-23, 07:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwXzTicTPgw

Exocet25fr

08-24-23, 07:15 AM

Sanctions KAPUTT!

German minister says Russia sanctions failed to have full impact!

https://www.anews.com.tr/europe/2023/08/24/german-minister-says-russia-sanctions-failed-to-have-full-impact

Jimbuna

08-24-23, 07:22 AM

Putin makes huge ‘mistake' cosying up with Xi as China's economic woes backfire on Russia

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-makes-huge-mistake-cosying-up-with-xi-as-china-s-economic-woes-backfire-on-russia/ar-AA1fDetg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=aff544af25b94a9f9d6f3d40258ce8d5&ei=12

Exocet25fr

08-24-23, 07:28 AM

BRICS invites six new members to join bloc in bid to champion 'Global South'

The five BRICS developing nations will admit Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, Egypt, Argentina and the United Arab Emirates, they said on Thursday, a move aimed at growing the clout of the bloc as it pushes to rebalance the prevailing world order!

https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20230824-brics-set-to-invite-six-new-members-to-join-bloc-in-bid-to-champion-global-south

Jimbuna

08-24-23, 07:35 AM

Putin scurries off stage moments after Wagner boss' death as fears of mutiny grow

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-scurries-off-stage-moments-after-wagner-boss-death-as-fears-of-mutiny-grow/ar-AA1fGcPz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c3fae149e1074544aee3536621636f1c&ei=10

Jimbuna

08-24-23, 07:48 AM

Special services activated: Wagner convoy moves towards Russia.

As n-tv.de reports with reference to the National Resistance Center of Ukraine, an organization of the Ukrainian military, a convoy of Wagner mercenaries is said to have started moving in Belarus to leave the country. Some Wagner camps in Belarus had already been broken up last night. The Wagner mercenaries are probably on their way to the Russian border. “The convoys are probably heading towards the border with the Russian Federation, but the special services of the Republic of Belarus are trying to prevent the vehicles of the mercenaries from leaving the country,” it says in the report.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/special-services-activated-wagner-convoy-moves-towards-russia/ar-AA1fI1NZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2a8a1148397341b28cb9a94b2bedf2d7&ei=8

Aktungbby

08-24-23, 10:10 AM

If true what were they thinking to all sit in one plane together...? :haha:...they was athinkin' they still had "immunity"...obviously...:arrgh!::O::yeah::dead:

Rockstar

08-24-23, 12:16 PM

Wagner acolytes mourn Yevgeny Prigozhin as Kremlin stays silent

Investigators launch criminal investigation into crash of private jet allegedly carrying militia group’s founder

https://archive.ph/reYTm

Wagner fighters made a makeshift memorial for their founder Yevgeny Prigozhin in St Petersburg on Thursday as the Kremlin maintained its silence on the warlord’s apparent demise in a plane crash.

Supporters of Prigozhin, who is listed among the passengers of a private jet that crashed north-west of Moscow on Wednesday, killing all aboard, mourned the warlord’s loss and accused “traitors” of assassinating him in retribution for a mutiny he led in late June.
Investigators launched a criminal investigation into the crash on Thursday and the aviation agency said it was searching for the plane’s black box. But the Kremlin has so far made no comment on the fate of Prigozhin, who two months ago led an uprising against Vladimir Putin’s regime.

Graphic footage from the site of the crash showed the plane’s burning carcass. Several bodies have been retrieved, authorities have said, but none has been officially identified as Prigozhin. Prigozhin and his group are accused of numerous brutal war crimes in Ukraine and also in parts of the Middle East and Africa where they have operated, but the warlord was popular with some in Russia for his battlefield successes in Ukraine and his straight-talking critique of the army leadership.

The St Petersburg headquarters of the Wagner militia lit up in the shape of a cross overnight and some masked fighters wearing camouflage knelt in tears in front of pictures of the warlord. “It was a huge honour to have known and worked with Number One. The country has lost its hero and best conductor,” a Wagner-affiliated channel wrote on Telegram. Another said Prigozhin would be “the best, even in hell” and shared a clip of the classical composer Richard Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyries.

Many in the hardline group shared Prigozhin’s view that Russia could have been more successful in its invasion of Ukraine had it not been for blunders committed by the country’s top generals. Several popular channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers argued that Prigozhin had been assassinated in retribution and shared purported proof that the plane had been shot down by an anti-aircraft missile system.

The apparent move to decapitate Wagner signalled Putin’s intention to shore up the position of Russia’s armed forces and the return to favour of uniformed generals over the mercenary group’s leaders and officials close to them, western officials told the Financial Times on Thursday.

While cautioning that details of the operation and its fallout were still unclear, the officials privately suggested that it would severely weaken Wagner’s influence inside Russia, but not significantly affect its activities in foreign countries where it remained an important aspect of Kremlin power.

Tighter Kremlin control over the group could also allow Putin to bring its non-military operations, such as lucrative natural resource supply contracts in African countries, closer to the state budget, one of the officials added. “It shows Putin’s focus on revenge,” said one of the officials. Putin, who was speaking at a second world war memorial event in Kursk on Wednesday when news of the plane crash broke, has remained silent on the incident so far.

US president Joe Biden told reporters on Wednesday he did not “know for a fact what happened” but was “not surprised”.
Many expected some retribution for Prigozhin’s mutiny attempt in June and doubted that the deal the warlord struck with the Kremlin — which would have seen Wagner and its leader relocate quietly to Belarus — would be the end of the story.
“Yevgeny Prigozhin was a nuisance to too many people. The number of enemies reached a critical point,” Sergei Mironov, the outspoken, pro-war leader of a Kremlin-controlled opposition party, wrote on X, formerly Twitter.

“In Prigozhin’s case, it was specific scum who planned his death,” he added. It was not clear who he was accusing.
A few flowers were also seen laid near Wagner recruitment centres in other parts of Russia, including in Yekaterinburg in the Urals and Novosibirsk.

Prigozhin’s private jet, an Embraer Legacy that he had recently used to travel between Moscow, Belarus, his hometown of St Petersburg, and to parts of Africa where Wagner operates, crashed at midday on Wednesday in the Tver region north-west of Moscow, near the village of Kuzhenkino.

Prigozhin was killed by “traitors of Russia”, one Wagner-linked channel wrote.
“The assassination of Prigozhin will have disastrous consequences. The people who gave the order do not understand the mood in the army and morale at all,” said Roman Saponkov, a Russian war-blogger and invasion cheerleader who is also considered close to the Wagner group.

Another anonymous Telegram channel, known to be run by a former Wagner staffer, also mourned the death of extremist Dmitri Utkin, a founder of the Wagner militia who appears to have died in the crash with Prigozhin.
“Alas, betrayal . . . led Dmitri Utkin to his grave,” the authors wrote. “The legendary fighter and commander died not on the battlefield, but from a cowardly blow in the back.”

Russian officials said all 10 people aboard the plane had been killed, and Russia’s aviation agency later listed their names, including Prigozhin, Utkin, and other less well-known Wagner figures, as well as three crew members.

Video of the crash and its aftermath posted by social media channels with ties to Russian security services showed the plane rapidly descending from the sky, accompanied by a plume resembling shots fired from anti-aircraft defences, before crashing to the ground in a ball of flames.

The St Petersburg outlet Fontanka, which has reported extensively on the warlord in the past, cited a source at the scene of the crash on Thursday as saying that “the bodies of the dead, including the possible body of Yevgeny Prigozhin, are not visually identifiable because they were badly damaged after the crash”.
The RIA state news agency reported that the plane’s tail was found 3.5 kilometres from the crash site.

https://i.postimg.cc/VLf4W3fN/IMG-2419.jpg

Dargo

08-24-23, 12:54 PM

Wagner's mercenaries have threatened to march on Moscow in a video. They are doing so to avenge themselves now their leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, is "dead". In the video circulating on social media, the mercenaries do suggest that Prigozhin staged his own death. Indeed, a second plane linked to Wagner has already been spotted zigzagging over the same region on the flight radar. If Prigozhin is effectively dead, the Wagner soldiers promised that a 'March of Justice' would be organised. 'There is a lot of talk now about what the Wagner Group will do. We can tell you one thing. We are going to start, get ready for us,' it sounds in the video.

It would not be the first time the Wagner boss has done so. He was already officially declared dead in Africa once in 2019, until he suddenly reappeared before Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The Kyiv Independent reports on the basis of sources in Belarus that some Wagner base camps were disbanded on Wednesday night and members of the mercenary group were regrouping convoys to leave the country. 'Those convoys are most probably heading for the border with Russia,' the National Resistance centre stated.

The opera is not done yet, expect more drama. :D

Skybird

08-24-23, 12:57 PM

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/kreml-kann-wagner-nicht-aufloesen-soeldner-experte-erklaert-ob-putin-jetzt-die-wagner-rache-fuerchten-muss_id_202696407.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Mercenaries remain mercenaries. They come from economically poor areas or from prisons. They are mostly motivated by the idea that they can get rich quickly, although this is a flexible concept. For getting rich, Prigozhin has been a beacon, of course.

Others in such troops are only interested in plundering villages or robbing killed opponents; they tend to violence. That's what happened in Ukraine. So they will look around to see who their next client will be.

In Africa, for example, things are likely to continue exactly as before. There are stable command structures there, the mercenaries may be structured smaller in the future, but the troops will not disintegrate.

They will probably continue to receive the same amount of money from Russia as before. And therefore there will be no reason for large parts of the group not to continue exactly as before.

Jimbuna

08-24-23, 01:10 PM

Hopes are rising in Kyiv that the unconfirmed death of Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin will spark more turmoil in Moscow that could boost Ukraine’s war effort, sources close to President Volodymyr Zelensky told i.

While Prigozhin’s troops have vowed to avenge the death of their leader and his key lieutenants Dmitry Utkin and Valery Chekalov, independent experts believe that while military action within Russia is possible, it will be for the elite in Putin’s inner circle to decide whether he remains in office.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukraine-hopes-turmoil-in-putin-s-inner-circle-sparked-by-prigozhin-s-death-could-help-them-win-war/ar-AA1fJca3?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2da78cde3d81456d81e732fe6fcc7c81&ei=8

Skybird

08-24-23, 01:22 PM

^ For the time being, its quite the opposite. Putin has secured and stabilized his seat and everybody got reminded of how he will end if he challenges the Tzar.

Regime change? Wishful thinking.

Russia can continue with this war for very, very long time.

And major parts of the military apparatus are not satisfied with Putin's soft stand on the war. If Putin gets removed, Russia will increase and escalate the war, probably call general mobilization. Because the successor lost all inihibitions. Or does not know it better. Doesn'T matter, the result would be the same.

The West still wants to hope things to a better end. And Kyiv hopes its own hopes, for which they are excused of course. But well, war does not work this way.

Jimbuna

08-24-23, 01:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD52IGlaw0g

Skybird

08-24-23, 04:20 PM

US says it was no missile.

Then it must have been the lunchbox of the pilot, storing Russian hot chilli pepper a la Molotovia.

mapuc

08-24-23, 04:25 PM

(Rumour)

He is not dead, he is hiding in Belarus, where he and his soldiers will attack Kyiv.

Someone had read this on VK.

Haha even in his death some can't accept it.

Markus

ET2SN

08-24-23, 06:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mHZCGWc3YQ

:hmmm:

Skybird

08-25-23, 12:15 AM

In principle the West by now must already start to equip Ukraine's to be raised new brigades for next year's offensive.

Well.

Jimbuna

08-25-23, 06:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNiE9hZnfBY

Jimbuna

08-25-23, 06:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqL-DmU3iyE

Skybird

08-25-23, 06:16 AM

Norway becomes the third nation sending Vipers to Ukraine, 5-10 planes. It also will deliver Iris-T systems, it announced, and mine-clearing platforms.

After Europeans made a start, the USA announced too to also train. I think Biden really wanted to push the Europeans to finally take a lead.

Scholz as always behaves like a dud. Although growing parts of German politicians want to carry him to the decision to send Taurus. That thing has some tricks aboard the British and French cruise mssilies sined to do not. It could also have the ability to bomb the Kerch bridge by exploding within the pillars (Taurus can count the penetration depth it has reached). Conven tional bunker busting warheads alone only penetrate through the bridge surface and make a hole into it - right because they are bunker-busters, entering through the hole in the wall they ballistically create and then going boom on the other side, which best should be an "inside".

Skybird

08-25-23, 06:28 AM

This is explosive. The German chancellors office has dealt with this with unusual high levels of secrecy, the government was described repeatedly to be extremely nervous about this.

[Tagesspiegel] The commando that blew up the Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea last year is also believed to have planned an attack on the Turkstream gas pipeline. This was reported by "Der Spiegel." Russian gas is transported to Turkey through the pipeline.

Intelligence services are said to have been warned about a possible second attack, coinciding with hints about the planned Nord Stream attack. This is according to research by the news magazine and ZDF. The BND is said to have initially considered the attack plans on Turkstream - similar to the Nord Stream clues - to be not very credible. It is unclear why the second plan was not implemented.

Data traces would also indicate that the Nord Stream command had fled to Ukraine after the attack in September 2022, according to an advance report by "Der Spiegel." Intelligence services thus assume that a Ukrainian team was responsible for the explosions at the pipelines. There are no indications of a Russian "false flag" operation.

It is also unclear to what extent government agencies in Ukraine knew about the attack plans. The United States had warned Kiev against an attack on the pipelines. President Selensky, however, is said to have known nothing about the plans.

I am merciless on this and stick to what I said before: if this proves to be true, Germany must immediately stop all assistance and delieveries and payments to Ukraine. I dont care whether Zelensky knew it or not. Both possibilties have implications that are not good. I might be oldfashioned, but if the one I help starts shooting at me, I have a problem with that sort of behavior.

Some weeks ago there were reports that they found na female in Moscow that was connected to the boat leasing, I think. So, the story really is not decided yet, and the truth still is not clear.

https://i.postimg.cc/LXpkg8kG/Unbenannt.png (https://postimg.cc/XZsBT3zg)

Behind a paywall, unfortunately.

Jimbuna

08-25-23, 06:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjNuD5KkpIo

Jimbuna

08-25-23, 08:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uuA54fh3Zo

Skybird

08-25-23, 11:01 AM

Dargo

08-25-23, 11:15 AM

While cooking Goulash, I asked myself suddenly: could the plane crash have been staged by the Ukrainian secret service?

Strange thoughts for cooking goulash, I know, but then there is plenty of hacked meat in there.Why would the Ukrainian Secret Service do that Wagner had no heavy weapons reduced to a couple of 1000's it was no threat anymore for Ukraine. This is Putin, the only thing he can not forgive is treason it tokes so long because he needed to figure out to take over Wagner you will see Wagner dissolve into Putin's new private military army.

Dargo

08-25-23, 11:19 AM

Ukraine — Victory Is Closer Than You Think
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is making substantial progress. Russia’s generals will know this, even if the West doesn’t. The bleakness of the Western commentariat’s recent output is striking — Ukraine’s counteroffensive has made little progress, they say. Major US news outlets cite intelligence agencies opining that things are “grim” and that hopes are fading that Ukraine can reach its (supposed) objective of Melitopol, more than 50 miles away.

This is simply wrong. Intelligence analysts may look at the map of Southern Ukraine and see distances; military planners will apply the military math and see something very different. They know that to crush the Russian army and strangle the troops in frontline fortifications, they don’t need to advance 50 miles. 10 miles will do it. Why? Because although it would be great if Ukrainian troops broke through to the shores of the Sea of Azov, they do not have to. Instead, they can achieve a significant operational outcome by bringing Russia’s ground line of communication (GLOC) under their guns.

On or around August 22, Ukraine’s troops liberated the village of Robotyne, some 90km (around 55 miles) from the Sea of Azov, a major accomplishment given the enormous efforts of the Russian invaders to fortify and hold it. From here, the Ukrainians need to advance by a further 10–15 km (7–10 miles), in order to range their guns on Russia’s east-west transport routes that are critical to the ability of its army and armed forces to fight. If Ukraine can interdict these road and rail links, it’s very hard to see how the Russian army can continue to fight.

This will not be easy, but it’s reasonable to think it will happen. This will be achieved using its indirect capability — first the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) and the M270 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), whose reach is about 80km-90km, and later its 155 mm artillery with a range of over 40km. These are hugely more capable than Ukraine’s pre-war 152mm Soviet-style artillery, that have a range of only 17–20 km.

Russia’s GLOC does not run along the sands of the Azov Sea’s shores but rather inland and, therefore, closer to Ukraine’s advances. The M14 highway running east-west, and largely parallel to the coastline, is about 7km–10km from the shore. Nearby is the broader logistics corridor where the Russians place supply and ammunition dumps, fuel storage, higher-echelon command posts, reserve units, and logistic rail heads. This logistics corridor becomes increasingly narrow for every inch the Ukrainians liberate. Once the Russian assets mentioned above are within Ukrainian MLRS reach, the Russian senior leadership will have an almost impossible choice to make — will they be able to sustain operations west of Melitopol when every aspect of their fighting effort is under fire?

As winter approaches, the logistic situation west of Melitopol is likely to get worse and worse. As occurred on the western bank of the River Dnieper last fall, even Vladimir Putin will be forced to acknowledge reality – he can fight on and risk mass troop surrenders, or pull back. Either way, the so-called land bridge from Russia to Crimea will be snapped. So Russian commanders will not think they have 90km of space to play with behind their backs. Their only consolation is that the Ukrainians can’t place MLRS artillery at the forward edge of the battle area; these units are extremely valuable and must be used from safer positions 10km–15km behind the frontline. Operational commanders on both sides will know the math: if the Ukrainian army is 90km from the Sea of Azov, and MLRS has a maximum range of 90km but needs to be placed 10km behind the frontline, then the Ukrainians must advance another 10km southward to cover all the terrain between them and the Sea of Azov.

Ukraine is now closing in on this goal at several spots along the frontline, offering the possibility that its rocket artillery will be able to strike the Russian land bridge from different angles. Once this happens, there is (forgive the use of this old term) a domino effect. All east-west roads and railroads will be in range, and at this point, Russian private companies will no longer be interested in risking their drivers and $150,000 trucks for a $700 cargo payment from Mariupol to Kherson oblast.

Russia has used civilian haulage contractors for many months now and offers good rates. But the chance of an artillery strike changes the calculation, creating the risk of driver deaths and financial disaster. A modern private 18-meter truck can carry 15–30 tons of supplies, compared to a Russian Army Kamaz truck, which can carry only a few tons in an unstructured pile on the truck bed. Private companies can, of course, be ordered, nationalized, or otherwise coerced to supply the army, but that carries its own risk of disenchantment or outright anger aimed at the Kremlin.

There are other problems. While Russia’s occupation authorities claim a Crimean population of 2.5 million, the true number on the peninsula is likely closer to 1.5 million. With Russia’s land bridge disrupted or closed by Ukrainian indirect fire or even its threat, Crimea would be solely supplied by the Kerch Bridge or by sea. At that point, the Kremlin would have to make ugly choices — either the Crimean population will suffer significant shortages during the upcoming winter, or the army will go short. The Kerch Bridge’s capacity, will likely not be enough to supply both the western part of the front and the civilian population.

So, how will Russians in Crimea react? We don’t know, but past Ukrainian attacks have led to an exodus of civilians. That’s hardly a message the Kremlin would welcome. All of which is ahead of us. In the meantime, everything focuses on those 7-10km advances from Robotyne and other frontline areas. As always, the fighting and the dying will be done by Ukrainians, but the West absolutely must ensure that there are sufficient rocket artillery systems, ammunition, and support to do the job.

https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-victory-is-closer-than-you-think/

Jimbuna

08-25-23, 11:26 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPSwP_qY3oI

mapuc

08-25-23, 11:41 AM

Jimbuna

08-25-23, 11:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5lQrQT1fqM

Skybird

08-25-23, 01:12 PM

Why would the Ukrainian Secret Service do that Wagner had no heavy weapons reduced to a couple of 1000's it was no threat anymore for Ukraine. This is Putin, the only thing he can not forgive is treason it tokes so long because he needed to figure out to take over Wagner you will see Wagner dissolve into Putin's new private military army.
1. revenge.
2. internal structures in the circle of power in Russia are not as linear and strasight forward as we often think. Killing Prigo might be a calculation to stirr the messy pot in Moscow and to upset the mercaries - of which some indeed have started to march back over the border with the intenition to reach Moscow again.

An intention inside a plan dressed in an alibi that distracts form a motivation that poses as the obvious but is not. Matrjoshka puppets anyone?

I dont say it is so. But I wonder why nobody even mentions the possibility. Or Russian rebels, if they got word and access in time (they now assume it was no missiles, but a bomb placed on board). An above all, the possibility still exists that Prigo staged his death to escape and let everyone believe he is dead. Mion d you, he was a killer, and has shown often that he does not mind to throw his men away.

tonschk

08-25-23, 03:27 PM

Yes I often Think about this possibility and that he is alive and kicking somewhere after his staged accident fraud

An above all, the possibility still exists that Prigo staged his death to escape and let everyone believe he is dead. Mion d you, he was a killer, and has shown often that he does not mind to throw his men away.

Catfish

08-25-23, 04:19 PM

Some interesting background about Putin. What is not mentioned is that he grew up with Prigozhin in St. Petersburg into the same Mafia organisation, which parts later developed into the russian "government".

Even without NATO's eastward expansion, there would have been a break with Putin

"In the spring of 2015, ZDF (german tv) came up with the idea of producing a documentary about Putin's aggressive foreign policy and the consequences for Germany and Europe.
"Putin's Struggle for Europe" was chosen as the title.

His rise from secret service agent to authoritarian president was to be outlined. His attempts to split the EU. His active support for far-right parties across Europe [Hello Brexiteers and Exocet :D]. His sophisticated propaganda system to spread disinformation and lies. Last but not least, his successful strategy of making Europe, especially Germany, dependent on raw material supplies from Russia, also open to blackmail, thereby filling the Kremlin's coffers."

"Even if the West had behaved more cautiously if NATO had not expanded to the East, there would still have been a break with Putin's policy. Because Russia and the EU have developed in completely different directions. The EU adheres to the principles of human rights and democracy. But Russia has slipped down a path of authoritarianism, personal power of an individual and persecution of the opposition.”

"Putin was trying to redistribute the spheres of influence in Europe. Putin thinks in terms of the 19th century, Ryzhkov said. He would prefer a new Congress of Vienna, like the one in 1815, at which the great powers would agree on how to divide Europe among themselves.

We would have to adjust to that in Western Europe. If this new Congress of Vienna didn't exist, Putin would take the areas he claimed for himself. With his army. Ryzhkov referred to the same pattern: in Transnistria (Republic of Moldova), in Abkhazia and South Ossetia (Georgia) as well as in Crimea and Donbas (Ukraine). First riots are fueled, then “little green men” are sent, and then Russian passports are distributed. In the end, Russian forces move in, to protect the "new Russians" from "genocide". As is happening again in Ukraine now."

https://www-bpb-de.translate.goog/themen/deutschlandarchiv/506247/wie-ich-putin-traf-und-er-mich-das-fuerchten-lehrte/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

mapuc

08-25-23, 04:29 PM

Skybird

08-25-23, 05:24 PM

Keep on mind that such fighters do not operate all by themselves, but are embedded in a system of own-side CCCI systems, doctrine, sensors, jamming, and availability of weapons. Also,m trianign and expeirenc eof pilots weigh in, thoghz m aybe kless so in BVR combat - here it is possibly tehcnol,ogy that deicdes the outocme of a fight. Which means that the track-loss rate of modern radar-controlled missiles is surprisngly high. Infrared short range missiles however are extremely lethal.

My expectations would be that the F-16 can only hold its ground against the SU-35 when fighting embedded in the background system for which it was designed. Many Russian missiles outrange the AMRAAM. I do not know however how good Russians are in implementing these missiles. And Falcons in Ukraine would not be flown by US pilots but Ukrainians having no experience with this plane and there side not having the mentioned system and doctrinal background of own forces (at least US pilots do not fly officially, but if you hire a former US pilot, put him into an Ukrainian uniform, have him signing a contract, then he is no more a US pilot, but a contractor).

Jimbuna

08-26-23, 04:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqd1yswR38

Jimbuna

08-26-23, 07:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YNjhFRXT9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySCfH6amJcg

Commander Wallace

08-26-23, 07:55 AM

Which fighter jet is the best in every parameters ?

F-16 or SU-35 ?

Having a discussion with one who says SU-35 is way better in every way.

Edit
Belay my question I found the answer
https://www.defencestreet.com/sukhoi-su-35-vs-f-16-fighting-falcon/
End edit

Markus

Better is a relative term. Each aircraft has it's pluses and minuses. The Russians have always had issues with their engines, for one. The Su-35 is also a large aircraft. The F-16 can easily pull 9G's and more. This equates to 9x a pilots individual body weight. Most pilots can only handle those pressures for a very short time before G-loc. Thus, the limiting factor in any of these aircraft that can pull 9G's and less will always be the pilot.

Skybird

08-26-23, 10:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YNjhFRXT9M

I certainly hope he will be right in the end, but I am a bit more sceptical than he seems to be.

Jimbuna

08-26-23, 12:47 PM

I'm hoping he's as correct as his pedigree/previous experience suggests.

Aktungbby

08-26-23, 01:08 PM

https://images.wsj.net/im-842366/?width=1278&size=1By the time of his death in a plane crash this week, Yevgeny Prigozhin had come to symbolize the criminal trajectory of the Russian state. In the 1980s, he had been imprisoned in the Soviet Union, after which he experienced a rags-to-riches transformation from street vendor in post-Soviet Russia to close associate of President Vladimir Putin. Prigozhin’s remarkable portfolio ranged from elite catering to election meddling in the U.S. to running the Wagner Group, a government-funded private military apparatus.
Haphazardly, the Wagner Group projected Russian power into Ukraine and Syria. In Africa, it did not operate with the ideological zeal and the hope for economic development that the Soviet Union had once championed, gaining the U.S.S.R. networks of loyalty and cooperation. Instead, the Wagner Group erected a vast criminal enterprise, a protection racket on a continental scale, offering security to amenable dictators and warlords. In return Wagner acquired access to resources, which it used to enrich itself. This was not the application of hard power or soft power. It was the application of criminal power.
Prigozhin’s professional star rose further with Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine. After repeated setbacks for the conventional Russian military, the Wagner Group pushed forward around the city of Bakhmut in one of the war’s set-piece battles. It did so by literally employing Russian criminals, who were let out of jail so they could be thrown en masse into the fray. The curious culmination of Prigozhin’s career was the mutiny he led in late June. He preceded it by denouncing the entire Russian general staff, touching at times on the questionable judgment of Putin himself. The Wagner uprising advanced unopposed until Prigozhin was convinced to abort it, consigning himself to political purgatory. His death, two months after the mutiny, may have been an accident, but U.S. intelligence agencies don’t think so.Prigozhin was Putin’s alter ego. Both had ties to St. Petersburg. Both were self-made men who gladly spoke the argot of the streets and affected the guise of tough guys. Early in his tenure, Putin famously promised to “off” terrorists in an outhouse, if need be.
Putin has dealt harshly with political rivals. He drove Boris Berezovsky and Mikhail Khodorkovsky, oligarchs who were independent political actors, out of Russia. The opposition leaders Alexei Navalny and Vladimir Kara-Murza, who sharply criticized Putin, have both endured poisoning and imprisonment. Putin also presides over a system that has assassinated or executed those it designates as traitors, often in spectacular ways: the drive-by shooting of Boris Nemtsov, a charismatic opposition politician, in 2015; the poisoning of Sergei Skripal, a former Russian military officer living in Britain, in 2018 (he managed to survive); and now a plane crash in Prigozhin’s case, assuming his plane did not just happen to crash. The mafia overtones in these expressions of raw power are no accident. Their purpose is to intimidate, showing that the Russian state will stop at nothing to secure itself. They are central to the regime. Putin’s Russia does not have the European élan and diplomatic acumen of the Russian Empire. It does not have the revolutionary appeal of the Soviet Union. Its economy is top-heavy with state-owned enterprises and resists innovation, and its foreign policy has needlessly isolated Russia from the West. What Putin excels at is generating wealth for the state and converting this wealth into coercive force. This was the Wagner Group’s approach in Africa, a microcosm of the government that Prigozhin served.
Prigozhin’s mistake in June was to strike a non-fatal blow against the boss. :doh:haos might mark Putin’s mafia state, and the mismanaged war in Ukraine certainly shook up the “power vertical” in Russia, rearranging the prewar hierarchies. Without the war, an adventurer like Prigozhin would not have commanded a private army capable of moving against the Kremlin. Yet Prigozhin’s rebellion was exceptionally foolish. He was not in charge of the security services in Russia, he did not have real allies in the Russian elite, and his many social-media screeds did not amount to a coherent program for revolution. Having succumbed to his own self-aggrandizing mythology, Prigozhin thought he could challenge the godfather at the center of this criminal enterprise. Instead, he was quickly crushed. Putin’s mafia state is not at risk of unraveling. It has spent more than two decades building walls around itself; its tools for political and social control are formidable. Liberal opposition, potent when Putin rotated back into the Russian presidency in 2011-12, has faded away since the war began. Anti-war protesters are actively persecuted or have fled the country. Contrary to the frequent predictions that the war would bring about Putin’s political demise, it has been popular in Russia, thanks to anti-anti-war sentiment as much as genuine pro-war feeling. (Critical as he was of the Russian high command, Prigozhin was by no means a credible or consistent anti-war voice.) Putin has a talent for running Russia as a mafia state, and the war has reflected and bolstered this talent. But the country’s international image is at growing risk. One might assume that this image has already been destroyed by the manifold human-rights abuses attending the war in Ukraine and by the incompetence of the Russian military. Putin has a hard time traveling abroad because the International Criminal Court has issued warrants for his arrest. Because of his war of aggression, dozens of countries have broken off relations with Russia. Public opinion in Europe and the U.S. may harbor certain political divisions about Russia and Ukraine, but it betrays little support for Putin as a leader or for Russia’s ongoing war. Ukrainian flags continue to fly all over American and European cities. Putin has lost the West for a long time to come.
But Putin’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine was not intended to win over the West. To the contrary, it was a premeditated assault not just on the territory of Ukraine but on Western power as such. Putin wanted the war to help Russia align with the non-West, expose the hollowness of Western power, and demonstrate that Russia is destined to be an important arbiter of international order. This is a top-line effort for Russia. Had the war gone well, Putin would have tried to split Europe from the U.S. He has not given up on this agenda and will wage a long war, either to grind down Western backing for Ukraine or to ensure that the Ukraine invited into Western institutions like NATO and the European Union is a failed state. Putin’s dream in Ukraine is to prove the reality of American decline. For Putin, American decline equals Russian ascendance. Since the start of the war last year, Putin has gone out of his way to play the statesman. He has sent Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on long tours of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. A month ago, Putin hosted a Russia-Africa Summit in St. Petersburg, building on the popularity of post-Soviet Russia in Africa, in part due to its economic ties with many African countries. Putin attacked Western criticism of Russia as hypocritical, blaming NATO expansion for the war in Ukraine. Another dimension of this outreach to Africa is Putin’s cultural conservatism: Fond of claiming that the West is decadent, he presents Russia as a virtuous alternative. n the last few days, Putin has also spoken to the BRICS summit in Johannesburg. Brazil, India, China and South Africa—Russia’s BRICS partners—are not enthusiastic about Putin’s war against Ukraine, but they have refused to condemn it. They continue to trade with Russia, giving Moscow a crucial lifeline at a time of unprecedented Western sanctions. Since 2014, Putin has also cultivated good relations with China. The two countries are supposed to be the linchpins of a post-American international order, a multipolar world liberated from the depredations of American militarism and democracy promotion. Achieving this end is the grand strategic aim of Putin’s Russia.
Putin’s sweeping ambitions have shown him to be a political romantic. He is besotted with history: Foreign Minister Lavrov has quipped that Putin’s advisers are Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great and Catherine the Great. By attempting to conquer Ukrainian territory, Putin believes he is restoring Russia’s proper grandeur. He cannot be unaware of the kind of state he governs, though he would not label it a mafia state. He sees no contradiction in the simultaneous pursuit of thuggishness and international prestige. In his eyes, this is how the world works: Power is power, and in a world of rogues, it does not accrue to the innocent or the faint of heart. At the start of his presidency, Putin presented himself to the world as Russia’s canny modernizer. Even then, however, violence was omnipresent under the surface, manifesting itself in the Second Chechen War of 1999-2009, the serial assassinations of journalists, the 2014 annexation of Crimea and incursion into the Donbas, and the unrestrained bombing of Syrian cities after 2015. With the war in Ukraine has come a marked increase in the Kremlin’s bloodthirstiness and ruthlessness. Knowing less and less caution, Putin causes more and more wanton death and destruction. Putin, who is 70, has not mellowed with age. He has become radicalized.
Whatever its causes, Prigozhin’s death confirms the visible contradictions of Putin’s regime. These contradictions will complicate and perhaps even hobble Russian foreign policy in the future. Against the obvious evidence of his criminal regime, Putin will find it progressively more difficult to build an attractive alternative to the West. Russia’s attacks on Ukraine’s grain supply is a good example. By constraining Ukraine’s capacity to export grain, Russia weakens the Ukrainian economy and drives up global prices, from which Russia, a major grain supplier, stands to profit—a mafia foreign policy par excellence.
Yet this cynical tactic undercuts the partnerships Putin has been trying to foster in Africa and elsewhere, and it seriously undermines the notion that Russia is less aggressive, self-serving or tone-deaf than the West. What Russia gains in short-term leverage through violence and extortion, it loses in its reputation for reliability and decency, which are no less fundamental foreign-policy assets than the possession of military power. “Kremlin intrigues are comparable to a bulldog fight under a rug,” Winston Churchill once observed: “An outsider only hears the growling.” Churchill’s adage applied especially well in Stalin’s time, when the Kremlin was internally contentious and externally opaque. After Stalin’s death in 1953, Kremlinology was often an elaborate guessing game, a matter of analyzing which Soviet official was standing where at public events.

After besting Mikhail Gorbachev in an epic fight, Boris Yeltsin had the benefit of being democratically elected in 1991 and again in 1996. But in 2000 Yeltsin appointed Putin as president, cloaking political change in secrecy once again. Putin continued the tradition by cycling Dmitry Medvedev into the presidency in 2008 and out of it in 2012. From 2012 to 2022, political stasis ensued. Russia seemed to be a country with no politics at all. There wasn’t even audible growling.

The first person to pull the rug out from under this political quietude was Yevgeny Prigozhin. He did not wait around the halls of power for opportunity to come his way. Of his own volition, he took his ragtag army to within a few hundred miles of Moscow. When he failed to go further, Putin did not have him jailed or sent into exile. Prigozhin remained conspicuously in public view until he died in public view. The ugliness of the fight for power is no longer hidden. Nor, to borrow from another Churchill quote about Russia, is there much of an enigma or a riddle or a mystery to Putinism. It is only and self-evidently a dogfight. This may be a workable recipe for Putin’s survival within Russia. It is not the foundation for any kind of enduring global leadership. https://images.wsj.net/im-841832?width=700&size=1.3778256189451024 <A Wagner fighter visits a makeshift memorial to Prigozhin in St. Petersburg. It occurs to me: Progozhin, a battle hardened exconvict was not an idiot; perhaps his plan was to become a martyr even as the murdered Czar Nicholas is regarded today....and deliberately climbed aboard the Brazilian Embraer jet...I do feel sorry for the three innocent aircraft crewmembers....:salute:

Jimbuna

08-26-23, 01:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7xs-fByHwo

Skybird

08-26-23, 01:30 PM

[NZZ] Independent researchers conclude, based on available imagery, that Ukrainians and Russians have lost roughly equal amounts of war materiel on the southern front [in this ongoing offensive]. This is a pleasing result for the Ukrainians, since an attacker against a well dug-in opponent typically has to reckon with several times as many losses.

But the negative aspect is that the Ukrainians are attacking with their best-equipped and NATO-trained units, while on the Russian side of the front there is a majority of so-called mobiki. These soldiers, recruited as part of Putin's partial mobilization, are relatively easy for the Kremlin to replace.

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Before the offensive started I red in several analysis and comments that te Russian have packed their best troops in the last defence lines.

Jeff-Groves

08-26-23, 01:40 PM

Before the offensive started I red in several analysis and comments that te Russian have packed their best troops in the last defence lines.

Don't know how well those Troops could handle being held back while fellow Troopers were being cut down. Knowing they are dying and the hurt is heading your way is a terrible thing to endure.

Catfish

08-26-23, 02:40 PM

[NZZ] Independent researchers conclude, based on available imagery, that Ukrainians and Russians have lost roughly equal amounts of war materiel on the southern front [in this ongoing offensive]. [...]
the negative aspect is that the Ukrainians are attacking with their best-equipped and NATO-trained units, while on the Russian side of the front there is a majority of so-called mobiki. These soldiers, recruited as part of Putin's partial mobilization, are relatively easy for the Kremlin to replace.

Before the offensive started I red in several analysis and comments that te Russian have packed their best troops in the last defence lines.

Ukraine — Victory Is Closer Than You Think

"The bleakness of the Western commentariat’s recent output is striking — Ukraine’s counteroffensive has made little progress, they say. Major US news outlets cite intelligence agencies opining that things are “grim” and that hopes are fading that Ukraine can reach its (supposed) objective of Melitopol, more than 50 miles away.

This is simply wrong. Intelligence analysts may look at the map of Southern Ukraine and see distances; military planners will apply the military math and see something very different. They know that to crush the Russian army and strangle the troops in frontline fortifications, they don’t need to advance 50 miles. 10 miles will do it."

The reason why:

https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-victory-is-closer-than-you-think/

Russia has lost the war, at least tactically. Strategically, if the BRICS members want to join an international Mafia led by Russia they will find out what that really means, and soon.

mapuc

08-26-23, 03:35 PM

Jeff-Groves

08-26-23, 03:51 PM

It's going to be tuff to reach these 10-15 km.
Maybe that's why it's called WAR!

Skybird

08-26-23, 04:29 PM

Don't know how well those Troops could handle being held back while fellow Troopers were being cut down. Knowing they are dying and the hurt is heading your way is a terrible thing to endure.
Its Russians. Occassionally you see them shooting at each other, or in the back of troops before them when these want to withdraw.

Skybird

08-26-23, 04:34 PM

Ukraine — Victory Is Closer Than You Think

"The bleakness of the Western commentariat’s recent output is striking — Ukraine’s counteroffensive has made little progress, they say. Major US news outlets cite intelligence agencies opining that things are “grim” and that hopes are fading that Ukraine can reach its (supposed) objective of Melitopol, more than 50 miles away.

This is simply wrong. Intelligence analysts may look at the map of Southern Ukraine and see distances; military planners will apply the military math and see something very different. They know that to crush the Russian army and strangle the troops in frontline fortifications, they don’t need to advance 50 miles. 10 miles will do it."

The reason why:

https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-victory-is-closer-than-you-think/

Russia has lost the war, at least tactically. Strategically, if the BRICS members want to join an international Mafia led by Russia they will find out what that really means, and soon.

It all stands and falls with the answre to the quesiton how uch Ukriane pays to get its advances. Wehn its losses are such that after the gain in question it cannot continue, it paid too much.

But as I quoted above, it seems they - the attacker - have suffered not much more but as many losses as the Russians who are dug in. While military math would expect the attackers' losses are several times as high as that of the defender. So they seem to do better in certain regards than the media reflect.

But even then their losses can be too high. We do not know.

I'm always sceptical when it comes to war, sorry. That way I get less often negatively surprised.

tonschk

08-26-23, 04:35 PM

JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED TORTURED OR KILLED BY UKRANIAN REGIME, EVA BARTLETT

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5izSFfuXCrEQ/

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2308270309520315.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2308270309520315.png)

Catfish

08-26-23, 04:49 PM

[...] I'm always sceptical when it comes to war, sorry. That way I get less often negatively surprised.
Pessimists are seldom(ly? – do you anglos write it with a .. ly?) disappointed :)
I agree, no one can be sure in these times but the source of information often gives it away, like here:
JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED TORTURED OR KILLED BY UKRANIAN REGIME, EVA BARTLETT
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bitchute/

just of all journalists :haha: yep that's what Putin is afraid of

Skybird

08-27-23, 02:38 AM

Pessimists are seldom(ly? – do you anglos write it with a .. ly?) disappointed :)

Some studies show that pessimists tend to be more successful than optimists. Explanation is simple. They tend to be better prepared due to their expectations of the worse, are readied for more possible scenarios, while unwelcomed scenarios find optimists often more unprepared.

Jimbuna

08-27-23, 05:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pMplsQGd48

Jimbuna

08-27-23, 05:55 AM

Prigozhin confirmed dead after genetic testing - Moscow

mapuc

08-27-23, 07:48 AM

A majority of the Russian people should, from what I understand, support Putler's war in Ukraine.

Does these people know the truth ?

Would the polls be different if they did ?

Maybe they know the truth-Who knows.

Markus

Jimbuna

08-27-23, 07:52 AM

Highly doubtful all that many will know the truth when you consider how the state controls the media.

mapuc

08-27-23, 12:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIA6QPUSe_o&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

08-27-23, 12:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDDKFZurw8g

Catfish

08-27-23, 03:25 PM

Who would have thought :doh:

Newly declassified US intel claims Russia is laundering propaganda through unwitting Westerners

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/25/politics/us-intel-russia-propaganda/index.html

Always the useful idiots, we have millions of those in Germany :nope:

mapuc

08-27-23, 03:31 PM

.... and thousands of them in Denmark and Sweden

Markus

Gorpet

08-28-23, 12:00 AM

Ukraine — Victory Is Closer Than You Think

"The bleakness of the Western commentariat’s recent output is striking — Ukraine’s counteroffensive has made little progress, they say. Major US news outlets cite intelligence agencies opining that things are “grim” and that hopes are fading that Ukraine can reach its (supposed) objective of Melitopol, more than 50 miles away.

This is simply wrong. Intelligence analysts may look at the map of Southern Ukraine and see distances; military planners will apply the military math and see something very different. They know that to crush the Russian army and strangle the troops in frontline fortifications, they don’t need to advance 50 miles. 10 miles will do it."

The reason why:

https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-victory-is-closer-than-you-think/

Russia has lost the war, at least tactically. Strategically, if the BRICS members want to join an international Mafia led by Russia they will find out what that really means, and soon.

How so? We may find out that NATO is no longer needed. And not all countries want to give up their culture and history to this new world order...NATO was defensive so megamind. Why are all these countries now wanting to join an organization and become an Aggressor against Russia.
Hell i live in the United States, My government,That screams Democracy didn't ask it's citizens.After 20yrs of war in the middle east and billions of their tax dollars spent, If the American people, wanted to jump into a Ukraine war?.
And i must say right now i didn't even get a free Soviet Combat helmet.
From the Afghan war.The American citizen didn't get any booty in their hands at all.No free gas,no free lands We got nothing but our son's who fought,they came home, Broken and **** on, So Catfish i can only assume that your either to old to fight and die? Or you need the young to die so you can live in Utopia over there west of the Sierra Mountains.

Skybird

08-28-23, 02:34 AM

BRICS is dominated by China, btw. Russia is in a junior role only.

Jimbuna

08-28-23, 05:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaMwXCqqv-o

Eisenwurst

08-28-23, 07:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_MIH5NI4tM

Skybird

08-28-23, 07:49 AM

You can read a humans essence by watching how this human deals with animals.
But sometimes the animal shows to be more human than the humans.

Jimbuna

08-28-23, 11:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aA4s8kuYkg

Skybird

08-28-23, 11:07 AM

Reisner's latest assessments.

https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/Da-macht-so-eine-F-16-einen-Unterschied-article24340964.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Jimbuna

08-28-23, 11:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14MnbRzvLk

mapuc

08-28-23, 01:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHGgTBo-8fM&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Jimbuna

08-28-23, 01:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mp7Ogk54_c

Catfish

08-28-23, 02:33 PM

Only interesting part is Prigozhin's warning ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKVghgD_s3I

Exocet25fr

08-29-23, 03:28 AM

Putin’s attitude to Western sanctions shocked Scholz – Bild

After listening to Scholz, Macron replied: “Thank you, that was very similar to the conversation I had with [Putin] yesterday. I think he is now quite determined to go to the end.”

https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/putin-s-attitude-to-western-sanctions-shocked-scholz-bild/

tonschk

08-29-23, 03:30 AM

The West has chosen Ukraine as a pawn to fight against Russia! Nebenzya, UN Security Council

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_bF-Wzwq_8

Jimbuna

08-29-23, 05:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsIaPFZawRY

Jimbuna

08-29-23, 05:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmHG0EZsQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg4xS7B35ZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHf0EcOW5Ds

Skybird

08-29-23, 06:37 AM

A somewhat subjective approach on the issue of mounting losses, but I think that is a needed perspective, too.

Russian losses have grown steeply since the offensive began. But so have Ukrainian losses as well, and even if they cause higher losses on the Russians than they suffer th,mselves, Russia has a far greater ability to compensate these and to simply swallow them. Ukrainian'S ressources and reserves are far more limited.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66581217

Jimbuna

08-29-23, 06:46 AM

It is to be hoped the Orc losses will eventually be of a sufficient number that the people of Russia will rise up to the fact and put pressure on the autocrat.

Exocet25fr

08-29-23, 07:31 AM

I read since the begining of the war, many Russian Generals are died or captured, maybe because there are on the battlefields with their soldats, and not in back.........:06:!

Jimbuna

08-29-23, 07:41 AM

Russian President Vladimir Putin has told Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi that he will not attend the G20 Summit in Delhi next month.

India is hosting this year's summit, which will be held in the capital Delhi from 9-10 September.

Mr Putin rang Mr Modi and told him that Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov would attend the summit on his behalf.

The two leaders also discussed several "regional and global issues of mutual concern", India said in a statement.

A Russian government spokesperson had said last week that Mr Putin would not attend the summit as he had a "busy schedule".

Exocet25fr

08-29-23, 07:45 AM

Russian Missiles Blow Up Ukraine Army's Train Carrying Ammo, 30 Soldiers In Donetsk!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S-aOEp1xsI

Jimbuna

08-29-23, 08:14 AM

Any claims made by Russia and the HINDUSTAN TIMES are hardly taken seriously by the vast majority of forum members here.

Exocet25fr

08-29-23, 08:34 AM

Minority exists too...NO!?, Huge unilateral propagand here..........!:oops:
I recon here the Anglo-Saxon democracy......!. Each one has his own opinion................!.

mapuc

08-29-23, 10:07 AM

Minority exists too...NO!?, Huge unilateral propagand here..........!:oops:
I recon here the Anglo-Saxon democracy......!. Each one has his own opinion................!.

You're entitled to have your own opinion about this war in Ukraine and you're free to post these videos and article from your preferred source....as long as you do not break any Subsim rules.

We do not use Anglo-Saxon democracy here what we do is supporting Ukraine against the aggressor Russia and their evilness they do on daily basis.

Markus

tonschk

08-29-23, 11:41 AM

Any claims made by FTR Global are hardly taken seriously by the vast majority of forum members here.

Jimbuna

08-29-23, 12:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ads99MeQaj4

Jimbuna

08-29-23, 01:17 PM

No surprises there then.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has told Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi that he will not attend the G20 Summit in Delhi next month.

India is hosting this year's summit, which will be held in the capital Delhi from 9-10 September.

Mr Putin rang Mr Modi and told him that Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov would attend the summit on his behalf.

The two leaders also discussed several "regional and global issues of mutual concern", India said in a statement.

A Russian government spokesperson had said last week that Mr Putin would not attend the summit as he had a "busy schedule".

The G20 includes the world's 19 wealthiest countries plus the European Union. India currently holds the G20 presidency, which rotates annually between members.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is expected to be a talking point at the summit in Delhi, where world leaders including US President Joe Biden and UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak will be present.

Last week, Mr Putin attended the Brics summit - Brics is an acronym for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - held in Johannesburg by video link to avoid the risk of possible arrest by the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC has issued a warrant for Mr Putin's arrest, accusing him of war crimes in Ukraine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-66603137

Jimbuna

08-30-23, 05:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV4NtqIpOaA

Jimbuna

08-30-23, 05:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_A-mhTYd1I

Skybird

08-30-23, 06:47 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66621724

Russia adapts.

Ukraine, which enjoyed an advantage in weaponised drones at the beginning of the conflict, is increasingly being challenged by advances in Russian drone tactics and technology (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-62225830). Russia now has drones which hunt in pairs, using laser targeting to hit their mark - an advance that many Ukrainian commanders along the front say is costing lives.

Jimbuna

08-30-23, 07:14 AM

Putin isn't having it all his own way though.

Russia is jailing thousands of soldiers refusing to return to the frontline in Ukraine, showing the "poor state of morale" among those fighting in the "special military operation".

In the latest update from the British Ministry of Defence, they reported on two Russian soldiers who were sentenced to at least two years in prison each for "refusing to obey orders" concerning their return to Ukraine.

More than 100,000 Russians have died fighting in Ukraine, with a further 180,000 wounded, and those figures are likely to rise as Ukraine's counter offensive continues.

Express.co.uk reported this morning (August 30) that Vladimir Putin
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-jailing-thousands-of-russian-soldiers-who-refuse-to-return-to-fight-on-frontline/ar-AA1fZbPW?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5d6683b9ee9b4238a85be847666837f1&ei=29

Skybird

08-30-23, 10:09 AM

This is a special day - I have something positive to say :D It seems confirmed that Ukraine has reached - and breached - the third main defence line. In past weeks there were at least twice reports that claimed that they had reached the main defence line, and the news in the folliwing days was not repeated and just collapsed. But this time it seems to be true.

[Tagesspiegel] According to consistent reports on X (formerly Twitter), Ukrainian troops have reached the Russian "Surovikin Line" for the first time. The fortification stretches along the entire front and is the third and most heavily fortified Russian defensive line.

Near the village of Verbove, Ukrainian troops are reported to have already overcome the first tank barriers of the line and reached the foothills of the village.

The village is located a few kilometers southeast of Robotyne, whose capture Kiev announced on Monday after days of heavy fighting.

Various military experts cite geolocated video footage as evidence of the local breakthrough. So far, these cannot be independently verified.

In any case, the breakthrough through the Russian lines at Robotyne and beyond is likely to be the most extensive of the counteroffensive to date. It is likely to be carried primarily by Ukraine's 82nd Air Assault Brigade. It is considered an elite unit and is equipped with, among other things, British Challenger main battle tanks and German Marder vehicles.

Over the weekend, however, there were already reports that Russia, for its part, had moved elite troops into the region to stabilize the front line.

The Surovikin Line was laid out over a period of months while Russia was preparing for the Ukrainian counteroffensive. It is named after the former Russian commander-in-chief, who has since been deposed and fallen from grace.

It stretches for more than 800 kilometers along the entire front. It is fortified with minefields, tank trenches and so-called dragon's teeth, which serve as tank barriers.

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There are further extensive defences protecting Tokmak and Melitopol, however, its not as if now they march through. Also, the Russians will try to counterattack and seal the breach ASAP. But hope is sown that this will fail.

Finally - this could be what we have waited and hoped (or not dared to hope) for! :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: What counts now most is to keep spreading chaos and to keep them running. And thats not a no-brainer.

mapuc

08-30-23, 10:55 AM

mapuc

08-30-23, 11:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfO9xIj_cs&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Dargo

08-30-23, 11:37 AM

Jimbuna

08-30-23, 12:54 PM

Believers in Russian conspiracy theories think President Vladimir Putin has someone else on his short-term hit list - a former leader of the country’s air force.

Knewz.com is learning Sergey Surovikin ironically lost his job on the day Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin lost his life.

Britain’s Daily Star tabloid reports Surovikin officially has been on a leave of absence. He has not been seen in public since the Wagner Group revolt in late June.

Then Surovikin was fired as a military Commander-in-Chief Wednesday, August 23. Reuters reports head of staff Viktor Afzalov replaced him.

A Daily Star headline said without attribution that Putin has “already identified” the next potential opponent to die. But Kremlin aides say it’s an “absolute lie” to think Putin ordered Prigozhin’s death.

Yet one Putin supporter actually hinted at Suovikin’s death on Russian television.

"I'll say even more, although God forbid, is for Surovikin to die of a heart attack,” Vladimir Solovyov said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-s-next-target-identified-with-his-cause-of-death-already-decided/ar-AA1fZGPX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e95311a5606d4fe1994addd7ee12c16a&ei=11

Skybird

08-30-23, 01:57 PM

Dargo and Catfish posted an article in which it was said that Ukraine didn't have to go all the way to Melitopol
7-10 km was more than enough-'cause then they can hit the Russian supply lines near and around Melitopol.

However if they got the Ruskies on the run, they should keep on going forward, as long as the logistic can keep up.

Markus
Yes, I mentioned it, too. I meant mainly the railraid that goes parrallel to the coast but a couple of kilometers inside the country, away from the coast. I said it would be enough if they approach far enough to have that in range of their tube artillery. Railroad is king of logistics.

But the closer to the coast they get the deeper they can also fire into Crimea. Melitopol is not directly at the coast, btw. But if you control Melitopol you have sort of strategic dominance over the whole region, form the coast in the south deep into the country in the north. It can block every Russian movement, like it now blocks Ukrainian movement. Its also better to defend against a Russian counterattack. Defenders in urban areas ave better chances thna defender sin the open land.

Melitopol is protected by itsd own surrounding grid of defence, trenches and positions, like is Tokmak before. I assume the Ukrainians must take Tokmak, cannot bypass it, and even if they could, they would then have it in their rear, which is a risk. I assume Tokmak is the next objective.

Colonel Reisner would remind of that a breakthrough on the operational level only then is an operational breakthrough, when through the breach a deep and swift continuing advance deep into the free space behind the breach takes place, with a continous stream of own troops slipping in through that breach and widening it both in depth and width. They are not yet this far. Lets wait and see what they make of it. Things must move fats now, making hay while the sun still shines. They ahve all their reservesd enegage dnoiw, and fight woith theior storngets brigade. If the Russians coÂ´nsoldiate the front and can gring things to a crawl again, then this probably means the end of the drive towards the coat, Melitopol, and the railway for this year. One canntio swithc on and off monetum at will in war. One needs to gain it, and if one has it then one must make best and longest lasting use of it. There is no pause-button in the construction.

I think they will go forward after they consolidated this area, they do not have to take all those fortified city's (Russian occupation Â“authoritiesÂ” reportedly began leaving the city of Tokmak.) kettle them supply wise and starve the Russians in it from their ammo will do the job. Don't know how the fortification is behind this line (Surovikin line), but time is coming for the leopards and other tanks in combo with attrition to destroy Russian supply.
The 82nd is equipped not with Leopards but Challenegers. Very slow - but very heavily protected. Also German Marders. I repeatedly red and heard they absolutely love the "outdated" Marder. For an IFV it is said to be very well protected too.

And the psycho war, yes, I tend to forget and ignore what that will do on the Russians. if true what you say and Russian officials already run from Tokmak, then yes - chances look good for Ukraine to strike deep beyond that.

EU purchases of Russian LNG up 40% compared to pre-war-levels. Translates into direct European payments into Russia's war treasury. Over 5 billions per year. The eU has bought 52% of all total Russian exports. The whole scheme of sanction and enmergy system change in Euzrope - is just a showact that doe snothng, but is more expensive than things were before. All fake things shining.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/08/30/eu-purchases-of-russian-lng-up-40-compared-to-pre-war-levels-new-study-finds

mapuc

08-30-23, 02:20 PM

Saw this in the news yesterday, made me wonder what will happen to our aid to Ukraine if it turn out to be true

It's a spy thriller that has the potential to change the course of international politics: A year ago, a secret commando blew up the Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea. Since then, investigators have been searching for the perpetrators. The leads they have found are extremely politically sensitive.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/investigating-the-attack-on-nord-stream-all-the-clues-point-toward-kyiv-a-124838c7-992a-4d0e-9894-942d4a665778

Markus

Catfish

08-30-23, 02:31 PM

How so? We may find out that NATO is no longer needed.
Right now during the invasion this is a dumb thing to say. If Putin has reached any goal it is to unite the world against him and more countries becoming NATO members. Surely because "Nato is not longer needed" :doh:
Or do you mean NATO is not needed in or for the US of A? Maybe in Trump's mind.
.NATO was defensive so megamind. Why are all these countries now wanting to join an organization and become an Aggressor against Russia.
"Become an aggressor against Russia", so you 'd say the US became an aggressor against Hitler in WW2. Fine.
And i must say right now i didn't even get a free Soviet Combat helmet.From the Afghan war.The American citizen didn't get any booty in their hands at all.No free gas,no free lands We got nothing but our son's who fought,they came home, Broken and **** on
Well I do not know much about the Afghan war, only that all wars, conquests or tried invasions for this land have failed since millenia.
Soldiers tend to die or come home broken and disillusionized, or sick. This is the outcome of all wars, won or lost.
So Catfish i can only assume that your either to old to fight and die? Or you need the young to die so you can live in Utopia over there west of the Sierra Mountains.
What the hell? When a country is unrightfully attacked my sympathy is for the attacked, is this hard to understand? So you say a country defending itself against Putin and being helped is an aggressor?
I am not too old to fight and die, I do not see an end of the war, not in Ukraine and not wherever Russia wants to try next. Belarus and Poland anyone? We have already mobilised and received equipment but I hope it will not be needed.

August

08-30-23, 06:48 PM

I thought this was pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHQ0-BPn0Q

tonschk

08-30-23, 09:19 PM

Friday, August 25, 2023
“Ukraine has already lost 400,000 men on the battlefield” - former Pentagon adviser

http://infobrics.org/post/39192

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2308310749030337.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2308310749030337.png)

Ahmed Adel, Cairo-based geopolitics and political economy researcher

Douglas Macgregor, a retired colonel of the United States Army and a political analyst, told Tucker Carlson in an interview on his program on the social media network X, formerly known as Twitter, that Ukraine has already lost 400,000 soldiers in its war with Russia. His revelation comes as the New York Times reported that Ukraine’s counteroffensive is struggling because some of Kiev’s best troops are “in the wrong places.”

“I think all of the lies that have been told for more than a year and a half about “the Ukrainians are winning”, “Ukrainian causes just”, “the Russians are evil”, “the Russians are incompetent” - all of that is collapsing. And it's collapsing because what’s happening on the battlefield is horrific,” Macgregor told Carlson.

In this sense, the former adviser to the Department of Defense during the Presidency of Donald Trump affirmed that Ukraine had lost 400,000 men during the conflict with Russia.

Skybird

08-31-23, 05:55 AM

Douglas Macgroggy. When tongues go sleepwalk and minds think they are a butterfly.

Jimbuna

08-31-23, 06:04 AM

Douglas Macgroggy. When tongues go sleepwalk and minds think they are a butterfly.

Precisely :)

Skybird

08-31-23, 06:05 AM

No wonder he was a Trump advisor!

Jimbuna

08-31-23, 06:11 AM

No surprises there then :)

Jimbuna

08-31-23, 06:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD8qOP37RCU

tonschk

08-31-23, 07:37 AM

Failed counteroffensive now Zelensky's problem, causing friction with US

https://tass.com/politics/1667953

Former premierNikolay Azarov noted that the discouraging lack of progress in Ukraine’s "counteroffensive" has exposed the underlying tensions between Kiev and Washington, on whose help Ukraine depends

MOSCOW, August 31. /TASS/. The marked lack of success in Ukraine's widely ballyhooed counteroffensive has now become Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky's personal problem, as it has dragged his poll numbers down drastically among the Ukrainian public and exacerbated discord between Kiev and its Washington patrons, former Ukrainian Prime Minister Nikolay Azarov said.

"The counteroffensive was a failure not only for Ukraine as a whole, but first and foremost for Zelensky personally. It has shaken the confidence of Ukrainians and significantly lowered his favorability rating," the former prime minister wrote on his Telegram channel.

.

Jimbuna

08-31-23, 07:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbxmzxZYv1Y

Jimbuna

08-31-23, 08:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-0_tEYpXck

Jimbuna

08-31-23, 12:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TahChM4QSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZHIZuub0u8

mapuc

08-31-23, 01:01 PM

em2nought

08-31-23, 01:24 PM

It has been said so many times by the expert, Russia about to collapse.

They are not allowed to collapse, where else should Europe get their gas from, this upcoming winter and there's other material we need from them.

Markus

Not too mention it would be the end of all sleepy Joe's & his buddies' kickbacks from US dollars printed and handed over to Ukraine by the pallet. :03: We'd have to find a new war by proxy. :D

Dargo

08-31-23, 01:32 PM

It has been said so many times by the expert, Russia about to collapse.

They are not allowed to collapse, where else should Europe get their gas from, this upcoming winter and there's other material we need from them.

MarkusGas imports from Russia sharply lower than before war in Ukraine. By 2021, some 155 billion cubic meters of gas came to Europe annually from Russia, mainly through pipelines. Compared to that amount, LNG imports are about one hundredth of a percent. Within Europe, Spain and Belgium are the biggest consumers. Between January and November 2022, LNG imports from the US exceeded 50 billion cubic meters. This is more than twice the volume of total imports in 2021 most LNG comes from the United States. European gas stocks were 86 percent full at the end of July. This is much better than the just over 70 percent of previous years. This means that the European target of having stocks at least 90 percent full by November is now almost met.

Skybird

08-31-23, 01:52 PM

Gas imports from Russia sharply lower than before war in Ukraine. By 2021, some 155 billion cubic meters of gas came to Europe annually from Russia, mainly through pipelines. Compared to that amount, LNG imports are about one hundredth of a percent. Within Europe, Spain and Belgium are the biggest consumers. Between January and November 2022, LNG imports from the US exceeded 50 billion cubic meters. This is more than twice the volume of total imports in 2021 most LNG comes from the United States. European gas stocks were 86 percent full at the end of July. This is much better than the just over 70 percent of previous years. This means that the European target of having stocks at least 90 percent full by November is now almost met.

I said this before:

EU purchases of Russian LNG up 40% compared to pre-war-levels. Translates into direct European payments into Russia's war treasury: over 5 billions per year. The EU has bought 52% of all total Russian LNG exports. The whole scheme of sanctions and energy system change in Europe - is just a showact that does nothing, but is more expensive than things were before. All fake things shining.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...ew-study-finds

Dargo

08-31-23, 02:03 PM

I said this before:

EU purchases of Russian LNG up 40% compared to pre-war-levels. Translates into direct European payments into Russia's war treasury: over 5 billions per year. The EU has bought 52% of all total Russian LNG exports. The whole scheme of sanctions and energy system change in Europe - is just a showact that does nothing, but is more expensive than things were before. All fake things shining.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...ew-study-findsThe EU has not imposed sanctions or a ban on Russian gas.

Dargo

08-31-23, 03:58 PM

US Not Running Out of Munitions Due to Ukraine Aid, Pentagon Acquisition Boss Says
Despite sending more than $43 billion in military aid to Ukraine—both lethal and non-lethal—the U.S. is not “running out” of any particular munitions or equipment needed for its own forces, Pentagon acquisition and sustainment chief William LaPlante told attendees at a defense conference in Washington, D.C.

“We’re not running out of anything,” LaPlante said in a fireside chat at the inaugural conference of the National Defense Industrial Association’s Emerging Technology Institute on Aug. 28.

“In the papers, sometimes, it says, ‘we’ve run out of X or Y,’” because of aid to Ukraine, but that’s not true, LaPLante said.

“We’re managing all of that,” he added, describing the process to identify items for Ukraine that are excess to U.S. military needs. Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs review the lists of what’s being offered and what’s being requested, “and they look exactly at the effect on readiness” of providing those items, LaPlante said. If they feel there’s a negative effect, or if handing off a certain weapon or quantity of weapons increases risk beyond an acceptable level, “we won’t do it,” he said, although he didn’t cite any examples of equipment withheld.

There have been concerns in Congress that providing large quantities of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine is emptying U.S. stocks, but LaPlante said there are enough on hand and has previously said his organization is working to shorten lead times for replenishment orders.

The real challenge has been to not simply provide equipment as requested, but to anticipate what Ukraine will need and have it moving through the pipeline so it arrives in a timely manner, LaPlante noted.

For example, Ukraine needed different military equipment for its ongoing counteroffensive than in the early days of the conflict, when it was focused on holding ground and repelling advances.

Since then, it’s been an effort of matching provision of gear to “the consumption rate,” LaPLante said, and in some cases such as artillery, those rates approximate the consumption in World War II.

Once the Pentagon identifies an anticipated need, “you have to look at all the tools … [and] find the best one” to get the aid to Ukraine in a sensible way, he said. Sometimes, that will mean exercising authority Congress has given to buy new items for Ukraine and ship them directly, while at other times it means asking another country to buy or provide it.

More broadly, LaPlante said there has been a mindset change in the U.S. defense industrial base as a result of the Ukraine war. In the past, U.S. stockpiles were geared toward short conflicts and not surges. That’s changed as think tanks and Pentagon wargamers expand the timescale of their exercises, to see what would happen if a conflict didn’t last a few weeks but a year or more, he said. When the timelines are extended, it usually leads to a shortage of precision guided munitions, especially at an intense level of effort, he said.

Although this has shown up in some previous wargames, “we didn’t budget to it,” LaPLante said, and he acknowledged that munitions have frequently been the account that gets cut when budgets tighten. Moreover, during the 20 years the U.S. was fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, there was a tendency to produce the minimum of high-end weapons needed for peer conflict.

The push now is to do more multiyear procurements, and LaPlante said that shows industry they can safely invest in expanding capacity.

Congress has given “tremendous support” in provisioning Ukraine, LaPlante asserted, although it’s taken “a lot of education” with some members. He expressed optimism that support will continue.

A new wrinkle in the aid to Ukraine will be sustainment, LaPlante said. The M1 Abrams tanks being provided to Ukraine “won’t work” in a few weeks if they don’t undergo certain kinds of maintenance. The U.S. can’t put its own troops on the battlefield and doesn’t want to expose contractors to that risk either, so LaPlante said the U.S. is increasingly turning to “tele-maintenance,” wherein contractors or Army personnel walk Ukrainian maintainers through the process remotely.

What’s being learned is applicable to how the U.S. may sustain equipment in future conflicts, as tele-maintenance will make it possible to reduce the forward footprint of troops and contractors.

All in all, LaPlante said the defense enterprise has done a “remarkable” job in streamlining processes to get Ukraine the gear it needs in a timely manner. Configuring the M1 tanks in a way that was acceptable to the Army—removing some gear considered too sensitive to risk Russia gaining access to it—normally takes a year and a half, LaPlante said, but the Army managed it in six months. https://www.airandspaceforces.com/us-not-running-out-munitions-ukraine-aid/

Skybird

08-31-23, 04:19 PM

The EU has not imposed sanctions or a ban on Russian gas.
I know. It has alos not sanciton Rozatom, and many others. And cannot command nor control third countries to obey sanctions (which many dont).
Thats part of the problem with these "sanctions".

A couple of day sago there was a newspaper in Germany reporting that Bubble Olaf was totally irritated by the complete lack of impression Putin showed when he phoned with him, and that he did not mentioin the sanction with one word. Babble-Olaf expressed his consternation in a telephone call with Macronman, and the Frenchman replied that he got the same n one-reaction from Putin last year.

France doe snot buy nuclear fuel form Russia, but sens its own nuclear rods for reprocessing to Rozatom - they are the global leaders for this.

Its hilarious. The West cleverly tailored and designed ever and ever complicated reaction patterns and sanction regimes and knew all so well how Russia shbouzld be hit by this and feel ghandicapped by that -. and Russia simply does nto care for that becasue it does not care for its people, instead swings the two-handed war-axe with all power and does not stop for one moment. The last to express her indignation with the fact the functions do not work was Germany's feminist foreign policy CEO Baerbock who said that the functions should work but for a reason she does not grap do not work.

Well, what was expected from the sanctions was irrational from all start on.

Its all too cleverly overcomplicated what the West does. An iron fist full power into the face, that is what the West should have done from beginning on.

Instread, German TV news today. big news! Germany send More Leropards. Ten. Leopard-1s. Now this will teach them! At the same time Biden gives a very indifferent, undecided impresison with his weapon deliveries, and that will get wors eion coming months and next year. So Germany, like USA, now gives a similar ammount of its GDP, if standardized for population sizes, for weapons and military items.

German support in public is waning. One ministerpresident, a CDU man, openly demands that the weapon deliveries must end and the West "must launch diplomatic initiatives. " Strong weed the man is smoking.

mapuc

08-31-23, 04:33 PM

Russian diplomat in Denmark exposed as an intelligence officer
The 43-year-old military attaché Vladimir Grekov is a colonel in the notorious military intelligence service GRU, reveals Information

Alongside Vladimir Putin's war of aggression in Ukraine, Russia has sent a highly decorated, battle-hardened elite soldier and officer in the notorious GRU intelligence service to Denmark.

This is written by Information and the Dutch newspaper NRC.

43-year-old Vladimir Grekov has been stationed as a military attaché at the Russian embassy in Copenhagen since February.

Leaked information obtained by Information via the organization Dossier Center shows that he has a background in the Russian paratroopers VDV special forces and a senior position in the GRU.

Experts warn
Intelligence sources confirm to Information and the NRC that they are aware that Vladimir Grekov is a GRU officer. Experts assess that he poses a threat to Denmark's national security.

- I can only imagine that PET is aware of what such a man can do, and will certainly try to do. It will probably be operative and subversive activities, perhaps even hybrid warfare, says Jacob Kaarsbo, senior analyst at the Think Tank Europe and former chief analyst at the Defense Intelligence Service (FE), to Information.

The exiled Russian journalist and writer Andrei Soldatov, who is an expert on Russia's intelligence services, expresses it more dramatically.

- You have to understand that when you place a person with experience in special operations in a country, it is not just about intelligence work. Then it's about weapons depots mysteriously starting to explode, he says to Information.

Senior
The GRU is Russia's military intelligence service. In recent years, the service has been linked to sabotage actions and assassination attempts in several European countries, including fires and explosions at weapons depots in Bulgaria and the Czech Republic.

Particularly noteworthy, according to the experts, is that Vladimir Grekov has a background in a special elite unit of the Russian paratroopers called the 45th Guards. It is a unit made up of special forces – so-called spetsnaz – with expertise in operations behind enemy lines, including sabotage and ambush operations.

Vladimir Grekov holds the rank of colonel, is highly decorated and wears, among other things, two medals 'for distinction in battle'.

Where Vladimir Grekov has been in combat is unknown, but VDV's elite unit has been deployed to Georgia, Syria and Ukraine.

- A picture is emerging of a man who is more James Bond than Kim Philby, says Jakob Seerup, historian with expertise in Russian military affairs and museum inspector at Bornholm's Museum, to Information.

Recently arrived
Vladimir Grekov has come to Denmark after the government last year expelled 15 employees at the Russian embassy who, according to PET, were actually Russian intelligence officers.

At the time, the then foreign minister, Jeppe Kofod (S), expressed that it was unacceptable to have Russian spies on Danish soil.

- With this decision, we are sending a clear signal to Moscow that we will not accept Russian intelligence officers practicing espionage on Danish soil. They pose a risk to our national security that we cannot sit idly by, said the minister in a press release.

But now it turns out that the Danish authorities let Russia send a new GRU officer to the embassy less than a year after the expulsions.

'Well known'
PET refuses to comment on 'specific individuals'.

'But it is well known that the Russian intelligence services have a tradition of exploiting the special rules that apply to international diplomacy by sending intelligence officers to Russia's diplomatic representations under the guise of being diplomats,' writes the service in a comment to Information.

In a written comment to Information, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs explains that Denmark and Russia continue to have diplomatic relations, and that there is therefore also a Danish defense attache in Moscow.

'It is in Denmark's interest that these relations are maintained in a turbulent time,' writes the ministry.

The Russian journalist and intelligence expert Andrei Soldatov is critical of the approval of Vladimir Grekov.

'The classic view of 'we spy, they spy, it's a joint game and everything is civilized and decent' no longer holds. We are dealing with the military intelligence service of a nation at war,' he says.

Markus

Jeff-Groves

08-31-23, 05:45 PM

Markus

And you don't suppose The rest of the Nations do that do You?
:har:

Jimbuna

09-01-23, 05:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTNp3RphCEg

Jimbuna

09-01-23, 05:26 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRxMeY0PT7A

Jimbuna

09-01-23, 12:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIJUhA8OqU

mapuc

09-01-23, 01:30 PM

According to available data, on August 26, a 10-year-old boy was near the bridge with several other Ukrainian children, when an unknown man accused the children of speaking Ukrainian. The man demanded that they speak Russian and allegedly declared that Ukraine had started a war. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3440950

https://censor.net/en/news/3440950/in_germany_attack_on_child_from_ukraine_is_being_i nvestigated_as_attempted_murder

Must be a sick person :nope:

Markus

tonschk

09-01-23, 06:44 PM

But the price Ukraine have paid for these small gains is already too high.

The whole idea of throwing waves and waves of ukrainian soldiers across heavily mined and fortified open terrain, under the watchful eyes of Russian drones, just shows the callousness of both the West and the Ukrainian leadership. It wasn’t so much an offensive as have been a massacre.

As Ukraine’s offensive stalls, are negotiations on the agenda?

https://socialist.net/as-ukraines-offensive-stalls-are-negotiations-on-the-agenda/

August

09-01-23, 10:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyfSt-lZQA

Jimbuna

09-02-23, 04:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAsT9X71M8

Jimbuna

09-02-23, 04:05 AM

Russian democracy at its finest.

Vladimir Putin’s power was called into question after it was revealed that the Russian secret service is searching for a presidential successor for the despot.

In a surprising development to come as Putin prepares for next year’s Russian presidential election in March 2024, sources familiar with the matter claimed that the Russian Federal Security Service is working to “pinpoint” a potential successor.

According to Dr. Yuri Felshtinsky, the FSB started their search for Putin’s successor after the 70-year-old Russian tyrant allegedly orchestrated Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin’s plane crash death last week.

The Russian-American historian also claimed that Putin is living on “borrowed time” and that the “entire process” of Russia’s presidential election is controlled by the FSB.

"The FSB controls and rules Russia,” Dr. Felshtinsky explained to Daily Star this week. “The entire process of the Russian Presidential election and the election computer which calculates the vote is by law controlled by the FSB.”

"In 2021, Russia passed a law allowing remote voting,” he continued. “It might be good in most countries but not for Russia."

Dr. Felshtinsky also explained that the FSB’s involvement in the March 2024 presidential election "will lead to a situation where they have the ability to add the votes of the people who didn't come to vote in order to choose their favourite candidate.”

"My point is that it will be the FSB who choose the next president of Russia,” he said.

According to Dr. Felshtinsky, the first hint that the Russian FSB is lining up a new Putin successor would be if the role of prime minister is suddenly "changed to somebody else" like in 1999 when Putin suddenly replaced Boris Yeltsin.

"If we see suddenly that the Prime Minister is changed to somebody else, let's say Nikolai Patrushev, this will be an indication that they're making Patrushev the President,” he said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/borrowed-time-vladimir-putin-s-power-questioned-as-russian-secret-service-search-for-presidential-successor/ar-AA1g3MV6?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e7df57e9961c44dc9d2ac3b833a92f10&ei=10

Skybird

09-02-23, 05:20 AM

To classify the current front breakthrough.

https://i.postimg.cc/2SWtpmFK/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)
[Neue Zürcher Zeitung, interactive map]

The red circle southwest of the blue breach area is Tokmak. The dark dotted line is railway.

I wonder what kind of terrain the area further south of the current breach is, the Russians have almost no fortifications there (according to this map at least) and seem to rely on the terrain protecting them...?! Without knowledge of that terrain one cannot assess whether or not it is an option to move south and then turn west for Melitopol to bypass all the defences that lie on a straight line between Tokmak and Melitopol. Probably swamps or anything else that prevents mechanized forces from moving through?!

The railway should theoretically alreadsy now be in range of tube artillery, but probably at the risk of having to set up that artillery in range of Russian counter artillery.

It looks as if the Ukrainians indeed have swung the wheel around. :yeah: Looks as if the only thing that can stop them now is lacking reserves to keep the offensive pushing, but one woudl assume they know that themselkves and somehow take care of that. But obviuously they need a constant stream of ammo and weapons from the West.

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Ukraine claims it can now reahc targets in Russia 1500km away, with weapons from own production, it insists that it doies not use Western-delivered weapons for strikes into Russia, a sit always has promsied. There is not a single violation known so far. - You hear that, Bubble Olaf?

Skybird

09-02-23, 05:34 AM

The whole situation is so utmost absurd.

https://www.ft.com/content/1e70ff72-52d8-46b6-a8f4-fcc86fb88a6d

Jimbuna

09-02-23, 06:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AP2HbBDfqc

Jimbuna

09-02-23, 08:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5KGdXXaQI