Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 [Archive] - Page 27

Jimbuna

02-27-25, 02:05 PM

Trump extended series of sanctions on Russia for its aggression against Ukraine for one year – White House

US President Donald Trump has extended for a year the sanctions previously imposed on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

This was reported in the White House, Censor.NET informs.

It is not yet known which sanctions have been extended.

The relevant document was also published in the Federal Register.

"Pursuant to Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am extending for one year the national emergency declared by Executive Order 13660," the document says.

Earlier, the US president said that the restrictions could be lifted "at some point."

Also, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said that the possibility of lifting sanctions against Russia could be considered only after the Russian side demonstrates concrete steps towards peace. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538339

Trump was going to cancel Zelenskyy’s visit to US, but Macron dissuaded him – media

The visit of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to Washington on February 28 was nearly canceled if French leader Emmanuel Macron had not intervened in talks with US President Donald Trump and dissuaded him.

This is reported by BFMTV with reference to a French diplomatic source, Censor.NET reports.

According to reports, on Wednesday, February 26, the Trump administration sent a message to the Ukrainian side requesting that Zelenskyy not come to Washington and canceling the meeting.

However, the Ukrainian president called Macron, who then contacted Trump, urging him to receive Zelenskyy and personally vouching for the meeting.

Following Macron’s call, Trump reconsidered and agreed, later publicly announcing that he would host the Ukrainian leader in Washington on Friday, February 28.

Earlier, the media reported that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy would meet with Donald Trump on February 28, 2025.

Minerals agreement with the US
As a reminder, Trump has said he wants to sign a $500 billion deal with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on access to rare earth resources and natural gas in Ukraine in exchange for security guarantees in any potential peace settlement.

President Zelenskyy said that the agreement with the US on minerals would be signed at the ministerial level when ready and subject to guarantees. Currently, this document is not ready to protect Ukraine's interests.

Later, Trump said that Ukraine had rejected the rare earth metals deal. The agreement was needed so that the United States could recover the money spent on supporting Ukraine.

The administration of U.S. President Donald Trump has given to Ukraine an "improved" draft of the minerals agreement that "complies with Ukrainian law."

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that if the US wants to see specific numbers in the minerals agreement, then according to Ukrainian law, ratification by the Verkhovna Rada will be required.

On 25 February, the Financial Times reported that Ukraine and the United States had agreed on the terms of a deal on minerals, and Kyiv was ready to sign the document. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538308

Jimbuna

02-27-25, 02:09 PM

Security guarantees should include presence of allies in air and Black Sea – Foreign Ministry spokesman Tykhyi

The presence of allies in the airspace of Ukraine and the Black Sea is being discussed as part of security guarantees.

This was stated by Foreign Ministry spokesman Heorhii Tykhyi, Censor.NET reports citing Ukrinform.

"Any long-term security should include an increased presence of our allies in the Black Sea and in the air. We are already talking about this with them at the talks and believe that this is a serious topic that needs to be discussed," Tykhyi said.

He noted that these security parameters could be discussed at the European Council meeting on March 6 and at some other meetings.

At the same time, Tykhyi cautioned that there are no specifics on the numbers, location and form of a possible allied contingent in Ukraine. Instead, there is a broad European discussion in which Ukraine is participating, and within its framework, different countries are expressing their opinions.

Speaking about the aviation component, the diplomat emphasized the importance of closing the skies in Ukraine, which "is no less, and maybe even more important, than ground troops on the ground."

"It is Russia's dominance in the skies that currently allows it to dominate the battlefield and continue to terrorize Ukrainian cities, communities and villages," the spokesman added.

"Control is quite possible. It has been carried out in many countries, and even the proximity of Russian aircraft or the front line is not an obstacle. Similarly, patrols are carried out in the skies over the Baltic...," the diplomat noted, mentioning Syria in this context. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538338

Russia will never agree to deployment of EU peacekeepers in Ukraine – Lukashenko

Self-proclaimed President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko has said that Russia will allegedly never agree to the deployment of peacekeepers from the European Union in Ukraine.

According to Censor.NET, Lukashenko said this in an interview with American blogger Mario Naufal, BelTA quoted him as saying.

"As for sending peacekeeping forces there (to Ukraine - ed.). Russia will never agree to this. At least, this is Russia's position today," he said.

According to Lukashenko, the EU leadership, primarily from Germany and France, is taking a "very aggressive position."

"I don't know if Trump managed to persuade them to the side of peace and peace talks in his talks with Macron and Starmer, but you can see that they are taking a very aggressive stance on the war between Russia and Ukraine. That is why Russia is categorically against any peacekeeping forces from European states," he added.

Peacekeeping forces in Ukraine

Earlier it was reported that French President Emmanuel Macron would discuss with Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk the deployment of peacekeeping forces in Ukraine if an agreement is reached to end the current phase of the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk denied that Polish troops would be sent to Ukraine after the ceasefire.

EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Kaja Kallas assessed the possibility of sending a European peacekeeping mission to Ukraine.

Italian Defense Minister Guido Crozetto expressed his readiness to support a peacekeeping mission to Ukraine if peace is achieved.

In turn, Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani called these discussions "premature."

Germany, together with its partners, will consider the possible deployment of peacekeepers in Ukraine as part of "security guarantees" only after the conditions are created, namely a ceasefire with Russia.

The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has stated that several countries are currently considering participation in a potential contingent of Western allies in Ukraine. However, specific plans for the deployment of foreign troops are still under discussion. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538335

Catfish

02-27-25, 04:37 PM

You're correct, but that doesn't mean the U.S. is going to force Russia to relinquish the Ukrainian territory it now occupies. It just means we have a financial interest in stopping the fighting. And with this deal, the U.S. has a bit more leverage in any negotiations.
The US is just going to divide ukrainian resources between itself and Russia, wihout giving anything, let alone guarantees of any kind.
This is no deal, this is Mafia.

But maybe Ukraine and Europe will just continue supporting Ukraine, and give a sh!t abut what Putin or Trump decide.

Skybird

02-27-25, 05:46 PM

The US is just going to divide ukrainian resources between itself and Russia, wihout giving anything, let alone guarantees of any kind.
This is no deal, this is Mafia.

But maybe Ukraine and Europe will just continue supporting Ukraine, and give a sh!t abut what Putin or Trump decide.
One can print money from one day to the next, but not tanks, guns and IFVs.

https://www.itsmagic-zaubershop.de/media/image/product/5806/lg/mr-moneymaker-gelddruckmaschine-wood-zaubertrick.jpg

Currency I mean, not money of course...

The needed rearmament in Europe will drastically increase devaluation and debts anyway.

mapuc

02-27-25, 05:50 PM

- It clearly points in the direction that the Americans will try to come up with a solution that is really good for the Russians. That is, the Ukrainians will have to make a number of concessions. We know of two of them. One is that they will have to give up territory, and the other is that they will have to accept that they will not join NATO

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/trump-og-eu-kan-vaere-endegyldigt-slut-det-er-jo-helt-vildt/10543203?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

Commander Wallace

02-27-25, 07:12 PM

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/trump-og-eu-kan-vaere-endegyldigt-slut-det-er-jo-helt-vildt/10543203?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

Not in favor of any of that. Ukraine deserves the Freedom it has fought and died for and the right to self determination.

Skybird

02-28-25, 06:11 AM

Pandora papers incriminate Zelenskyi. Corruption always was an ongoing and still existing huge problem in Ukraine. Thats why I still do not want them in the EU (also because it would mean a massive shift of the centre of gravity from Western Europe to the East). Most nowadays say: EU yes, NATO no. I want it the other way around: Ukraine in NATO, but not in the EU (at least not as long as corruption in Ukraine has not been terminated, and I think they are years iof not decades away form that, in other words: I dont think I will live to see it going away.). Before the war, I also did not want them in NATO, expectign that the Russians woudl react badly to that. I was just surprised by the timing and the scale of the Russian reaction. I also said that they will go to war over Crimea, in any case of trying to take it away from them.

Whatever I said and reasoned (and I think: correctly), it just does not justify the catastrophe and the human drama Russia has unleashed. The scale of the crime is beyond excuse. Thats why I say: get them into NATO once a temporary peace aghreement is in place. The statutes of NATO are clear, they must be obeyed.

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/finanzen/news/der-held-faellt-pandora-papers-belasten-selenskyj-und-machen-ihn-angreifbar_id_260753295.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Jimbuna

02-28-25, 07:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSO41Z4kL40&t=7s

Jimbuna

02-28-25, 07:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WVRzAUBl8U

Skybird

02-28-25, 11:27 AM

Numbers for the dance...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o

Jimbuna

02-28-25, 12:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cSKsNjTnLg

Jimbuna

02-28-25, 01:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1WNGu4lOQ

Dargo

02-28-25, 01:25 PM

The US is just going to divide ukrainian resources between itself and Russia, wihout giving anything, let alone guarantees of any kind.
This is no deal, this is Mafia.

But maybe Ukraine and Europe will just continue supporting Ukraine, and give a sh!t abut what Putin or Trump decide.This deal for resources both sides can do or not what I have read is that it is missing allot have you ever seen a deal between states that is written on 3 pages. For both side's revenue will take 5-10 year it is not so dig a hole and profit it takes years they first need to make a new infrastructure. And find the spots they can get to those resources that is not easy, some can not be digged up. Ukraine will never accept a peace they do not want because of the Kremlin terms, Ukraine will never go back to the Russian yoke.

Jimbuna

02-28-25, 01:28 PM

This deal for resources both sides can do or not what I have read is that it is missing allot have you ever seen a deal between states that is written on 3 pages. For both side's revenue will take 5-10 year it is not so dig a hole and profit it takes years they first need to make a new infrastructure. And find the spots they can get to those resources that is not easy, some can not be digged up. Ukraine will never accept a deal they do not want the Kremlin terms will not be accepted, Ukraine will never go back to the Russian yoke.

Slava Ukraini :salute:

Dargo

02-28-25, 01:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1WNGu4lOQZelenskyy is boss. The signing of the agreement has been postponed.We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure, It’s amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations, I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace.https://i.ibb.co/1tdhLQCg/ohhemad.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
Shortly after Trump’s post on Truth Social, Zelenskyy’s motorcade pulled up to the White House, signalling negotiations had ended. The two leaders had been scheduled to hold a joint press conference and sign a deal giving the U.S. access to Ukraine’s critical minerals supply later in the day. The press conference was cancelled, and it’s unclear if the deal is still going through.

It is now world news Ukraine will not accept this US, Russian racketeering no peace on US, Russian terms. :up:

One day the remote control device we put up Trump's ass will take pride of place in KGB museum. https://bsky.app/profile/darthputinkgb.bsky.social/post/3ljazb7fn322e

Exocet25fr

02-28-25, 02:08 PM

:o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jqLtIrRqDg

Dargo

02-28-25, 02:27 PM

:o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jqLtIrRqDgGenerations of American patriots, from our revolution onward, have fought for the principles Zelenskyy is risking his life to defend. But today, Donald Trump and JD Vance attacked Zelenskyy and pressured him to surrender the freedom of his people to the KGB war criminal who invaded Ukraine. History will remember this day— when an American President and Vice President abandoned all we stand for. https://x.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1895543534377152668

Dargo

02-28-25, 02:32 PM

What just happened in the Oval Office was nothing short of remarkable. What began with questions about security guarantees for a ceasefire with Ukraine turned into an angry shouting match between Trump, Vance and Zelenskyy. Trump was fuming, ending with, “We have empowered you to be a tough guy… You either make a deal or we are out. You don’t have the cards.” Zelenskyy: “I didn’t come here to play cards.”

Hold my beer! :har:

Skybird

02-28-25, 02:35 PM

Dargo

02-28-25, 02:38 PM

Meine Fresse, ich glaub' ich spinne.

Disgusting what the Americans do. The two at the top doing it. So many others letting it happen, applauding it. Shame on you all.

Today, anti-Americanism has experienced an enormous upswing in Europe.

And rightly so.

Fascist Russia celebrates. Veterans of the Normandy landings turn in their graves.

This carricature of a US president is just a disgrace.

His buddy Vladimir still canÂ’t believe his luck. He must be grinning from one ear to the other when watching how this psychopath complements Russian strategy.

This is beyond repair, I think, and tovarishch Donny the Monumental is deeply offended in his infinite narcissistic ego. Immoral psychopath that he is he will seek revenge and possibvly even active punishment.We saw a president (Zelenskyy) who initially did his best to choose his words carefully to appease Trump and keep him on his side. He did the same after Trump called him dictator. But when diplomacy was hammered again from Vice President Vance, Zelenskyy had had enough. He said: ‘What are you talking about? We've been trying that for 10 years.' You could see a Zelenskyy struggling to hold back any longer. Then it became an argument in front of the camera. The first reactions I get from Ukraine is that people are dumbfounded. They also feel it's a betrayal as if the vice president and president together had cooked up something against Zelensky.

Completely unexpected this is not coming with Trump you never know, he turns like the wind. Actually, it is pure intimidation politics. He is trying to corner the weak party to such an extent with the aim of benefiting himself in terms of resources and spheres of influence. Zelenskyy's strong stance towards Trump is in painful contrast to President Emmanuel Macron and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer's sweet-talking approach towards the US president. Zelenskyy is bold, he already was by declaring that Ukraine would return 100 billion to the US instead of 500 billion as Trump demanded. Zelenskyy also said the current oil projects were not included in that payoff. He had dragged that in any way, but as you can see, awards are handed out at the meet. Now the game begins again from scratch. In any case, the failed meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy seems to be a firm dash to a possible peace deal. I think they don't know where to crawl with laughter in Moscow at the moment.

mapuc

02-28-25, 02:52 PM

Skybird

02-28-25, 02:55 PM

I see this also as a psychologist and I have said repeatedly that Trump is not just a psychopath but also extremely vindictive, revengeful. He has never forgiven that Zelenskyi did not help him, as demanded, to construct a case against Biden in 2019, and he attributes his lost election a year later also to Zelenskyi refusing to interfere with this innerpolitical topic of the US. And for that he wants revenge, for that he now wants the total and unconditional subjugation of Ukraine and Zelenskyi. On their knees he wants them, rueful tears in her eyes, thankfully smilling in their humiliation.

Trump is no genius. He has no great realistic plan. He's just a sick lunatic, it's as simple as that. And in a deranged society that has completely lost its mind, a lunatic is sometimes mistaken for a savior. We must finally stop accusing him of having great flashes of inspiration, a great vision, a godlike insight. The man is simply insane, broken, stupid, and has increasingly obvious cognitive and intellectual age-related total lapses, like Biden before him. A rotten little vindictive psychopath, that's all. And it's not going to get better, because he's degenerating, age-related. It's going to get worse.

The question is, will we all come out of this in one piece? The American checks and balances are failing, once again. The disaster is already in the house, and it is not being contained effectively. And the fall does not end with the end of Trunmps life or term - he already grows his follow-ups. God have mercy on us all.

Skybird

02-28-25, 03:07 PM

[Focus]For Thomas Jäger, one of the most renowned experts on US politics, the scandal is part of a calculated PR campaign. Trump is following a manuscript, Jäger told FOCUS online: “It's the script of a TV showman who knows a thing or two about staging.” For Jäger, it is clear what is behind this staging. Trump had the conditions for a deal dictated to him by Putin: Ukraine would have to vacate all provinces in the east, no Nato troops would be allowed to be stationed in Ukraine and Ukraine would have to be demilitarized. As Putin does not enjoy a good reputation as a deal partner in the USA either, Trump could only sell this deal to his country if he humiliated Ukraine and portrayed it as ungrateful and disgusting.
The scandal is a disaster for Selenskyj. “He can't do much more. He can only hope that the Europeans will influence Trump. But I don't see that as a reliable strategy.

He can therefore only hope that the Europeans will take Europe's security into their own hands and that starts with Ukraine.” It now depends all the more on the Europeans. They would have to “get into action” even faster than previously assumed. Hopes that it would somehow still be possible to have constructive talks with Trump regarding Ukraine had been “reduced to rubble”. “This evening shows once and for all that you can no longer rely on the Americans.”
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Dargo

02-28-25, 03:13 PM

Zelenskyy should be gambling with WW3 and I who thought it was Putin who was gambling with WW3.
MarkusThis is not a world war this is a regional war none of the world powers are directly involved, so saying Zelenskyy risk WW3 is saying the US, Russia and China goes to war with each other. It is rhetoric, nothing more. At most, this is a proxy war that we fought on both sides for +70 years during the Cold War.

mapuc

02-28-25, 03:15 PM

Was this expected or did Zelenskyy enter the Oval office with a positive
mindset ? Hoping a deal would be made, so he could get weapon and ammo from USA.

He was told to return, when he was ready for peace-What peace and under which terms ?

Markus

mapuc

02-28-25, 03:18 PM

This is not a world war this is a regional war none of the world powers are directly involved, so saying Zelenskyy risk WW3 is saying the US, Russia and China goes to war with each other. It is rhetoric, nothing more. At most, this is a proxy war that we fought on both sides for +70 years during the Cold War.

Here we disagree-I say we are fighting a WW3 by proxy.

The war is fought in Ukraine with a lot of countries sending military and economic aid to Ukraine, while others like Iran is helping Russia.

Markus

Dargo

02-28-25, 03:19 PM

We agree to disagree. :D

Dargo

02-28-25, 03:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyplY1ssVB8

Skybird

02-28-25, 04:25 PM

Just as Hitler came to an agreement with the Soviet dictator Stalin about the division of Poland, Trump came to an agreement with the Russian dictator Putin about the division of Ukraine and its resources. Hiostory does nto repeat itself. But it follows similar patterns. The rescuers of back then, today are the evildoers of the present.

All that is required of the Ukrainians is to submit humbly, to go down silently and patiently, to sacrifice themselves for the rotten agenda of the great Donald, and please not to make such a fuss while they are being reduced to rubble and the people are being slaughtered. They should really be grateful for all of this! The Russian shoots the victim, the American plunders the carcass. Great, these two have found each other.

Bravo Donny. History will remember you according to the standards of the company you aspired to. Anyone who mocks and lectures the victim of an assassination attempt, who is lying on the ground bleeding and still twitching and practically unable to defend himmself, while emptying his pockets and plunder its gold, is really the last dirt on earth.

The two-headed scum that wanted to lecture Zelenkyi, Trump and Vance, they really are the last pack of rats. They should be thrown to the rats themselves. I just doubt that rats eat such filth. These are clever animals, very clever in fact.

Skybird

02-28-25, 04:33 PM

Dargo

02-28-25, 04:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P07-8ZLiChI

Dargo

02-28-25, 04:40 PM

It is unbelievable, even in the German media there are comments blaming Zelenskyi for Trump's and Vance's outbursts. Shameful. Has cowardice now devoured the last person's mind? I am disgusted by these people.You saw two cowards attack a war hero, they are so utterly of this world they did not even thanked him for the service served these two traitors... that was it be proud America and good luck with your orange saviour.

Zelenskyy: have you been to Ukraine?
Vance: I watched the story...

Really? When did Trump ask the American people if they wanted to join Putin's side?

Catfish

02-28-25, 05:00 PM

Anyone noticed the visit of the russian delegation in the white house a few days ago? Donny you traitor, you have been bought long ago.

Skybird

02-28-25, 05:01 PM

We in Europe must now learn in world record time to become militarily serious again, serious enough to be deterring for Russia. At least this miserable seat we are in is not America's guilt, we have nothing but ourselves to point finger at for this failure of ours. A military rearming can only be had at massive debts, I fear, and so the price is a dramatical rise of risks for economic turmoil in the forseeable future.

We must also get away from dependency on US weapons. When I recently red that the British must send their nuclear subs for long interval maintenance to the US, and for their SLBMs anyway, I just shook my head.

And we must get rid of Windows and other such stuff. I mean that serious. Its a weapon in US hands pointed at us.

BTW, got a new laptop today (for non-gaming), for a smile price deal (discontinued model), an Acer Aspire A517 i5-12450. I set it up on Linux, of course. Tomorrow it will get further stealthed. And my next smartphone will be a de-androdized device. Windows, pah. Its an attack on all the world - with friendly greetings from the NSA and the US State Department.

Skybird

02-28-25, 05:04 PM

Anyone noticed the visit of the russian delegation in the white house a few days ago? Donny you traitor, you have been bought long ago.
Late 70s or early 80s already.

Dargo

02-28-25, 06:07 PM

Anyone noticed the visit of the russian delegation in the white house a few days ago? Donny you traitor, you have been bought long ago.The White House last week announced that “all journalists deserve a seat” in the Oval Office press pool. For a fleeting moment on Friday, that included the Russian state media. A staffer from TASS, a Russian outlet that often promotes glorified coverage of Russian leader Vladimir Putin, was briefly in the room for President Donald Trump’s bilateral meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. American media mainstays Reuters and the Associated Press were not granted access. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/28/tass-oval-office-trump-zelenskyy-00206739

MaDef

02-28-25, 06:35 PM

What's going through his(Trump) mind ?

USA is out, he said - Which must mean Europe has to lift the burden themselves. Something they can't.

Or can they ?

Zelenskyy should be gambling with WW3 and I who thought it was Putin who was gambling with WW3.

MarkusNow you're getting it, this is not America's fight. This agreement was about recouping the 80 billion we've already spent, nothing more.

Was this expected or did Zelenskyy enter the Oval office with a positive
mindset ? Hoping a deal would be made, so he could get weapon and ammo from USA.

He was told to return, when he was ready for peace-What peace and under which terms ?

Markus Zelensky knew that security guarantees were not part of this deal, He's trying to gas light Trump into putting it in. That's not working out too well so far.

Skybird

02-28-25, 06:54 PM

Sure, getting blackmailed is always the victim's fault. If somebody is weak and desperate and struggles for mere survival - exploit him and try to squeeze as much out of him as you can. Double, three times asmuch as you invested into him before.

If that is "deal-making", then flush the concept down the toilet.

Value given as lend and lease, or as credit, will and should be paid back. What was handed over unconditionally, is done, is a donation. Later demanding it back, and even several times as much than was given, is betrayal and robbery. There is a proverb in German: "Schenken und dann wieder holen ist gestohlen." Giving a gift, and later demanding it back, is theft. Given for free is given for free. Thats what donating aid is about.

The EU has given most of its aid on credit, not as free donation - but at so favourable interest rates and terms and conditions that of that value most will not be needed to be paid back.

Dargo

02-28-25, 07:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w-tZ0TsxXY

MaDef

02-28-25, 09:22 PM

mapuc

02-28-25, 11:32 PM

Zelenskyy should be thankful ! Thankful for what ? They only received parts of promised military aid from the States.

Can't win. Well neither can Russia. Who's closest to become a winner, not tomorrow but within the next 8-10 years from now ?

Markus

Ostfriese

03-01-25, 01:22 AM

It's one thing to say you don't want to support a side in a perceived regional conflict (which, coming from the US, is bollocks anyway, as they have directly or indirectly supported at least one side in EVERY regional or larger war since world war II).

But doing in a way that alienates the few friends and allies you have left is way beyond stupid. Hello, America, you want to get rid of your trade deficit? Alienating your best customers is the worst thing you could do to achieve that.

Reece

03-01-25, 01:36 AM

Ostfriese

03-01-25, 04:53 AM

How long until Trumpistan will start supporting Russia with weapons?

Skybird

03-01-25, 05:21 AM

How long until Trumpistan will start supporting Russia with weapons?
He has started with demanding Russia being allowed back into the G8. And voting with Russia, North Korea and Belarus at the UN. Maybe he next will accept parts of Putin's offered deal on stolen Ukrainian ressources.

Dargo

03-01-25, 05:45 AM

You're posts are beginning to sound redundant, we get it, your upset over the fact the U.S. isn't interested in financing or fighting in a regional dispute. So rather than castigate the U.S. for not wanting to be involved in the Ukrainian war, you should convince your leaders in the European Union to actually get more involved by providing more weapons, materials and troops.Ukraine’s non-American allies have delivered about 60 percent of all aid sent Ukraine, while the US has sent about 40 percent.

Raf1394

03-01-25, 05:49 AM

Dargo

03-01-25, 06:19 AM

What happened yesterday was meant to happen Trump, Vance has no intention of ending this war this was set up in advance Trump wants a deal not a peace treaty. Trump sees such a deal as his ticket to a Nobel Peace Prize and personal gain, this is what strokes his ego not the good for others, not for the common man who is F'd whether they are Ukrainians or Americans. This man like all these leaders has a brainfart that is what power does to you. With this kind of people you are led by junkies, deranged in the head.

If Trump allows Russia permanently to annex parts of Ukraine, it will lay the groundwork for a renewed conflict with the West. Trump is fast becoming a Chamberlain 2.0 after this betrayal of Ukraine. This lax attitude of the West only encourages the Kremlin to continue on its bellicose path. Even before the negotiations of this ‘peace’, Trump has started to inflate Ukraine's negotiating position (on the backs of Ukrainians). Is he so gullible that he thinks the Russian dictator will settle for part of Ukraine, and then his hunger for power will be satisfied? No! This has been agreed one-on-one between Trump and Putin. Trump will go down in the history books as the gullible US president who is sight-blind, responsible for the betrayal of Kyiv. Not the great peacemaker!

Trump is not a leader of the free world, he is rewarding an aggressor. We in the West cannot accept him any more. All US presidents were always our friends. But this man is no good, it is finished!

Ostfriese

03-01-25, 06:23 AM

I actually agree with Trump for a tiny bit. I know its pretty sick that Ukraine will have to give all the land they lost to Russia...

But whats the other solution? Keep giving equipment, and money to Ukraine to keep on fighting Russia? Risking more people to suffer and die, economical crisis. Russians and Ukrainian people suffering more. Risk for escalation.

Bowing to Russia will result in even more suffering and death in the future. Russia under Putin is an aggressive nation. Submitting to them will only result in Russia opening the next battlefield.

If we have a peace deal, the suffering will end i hope. But Ukraine needs to have some conditions they can live with. for example Russia repaying a part of the reparation. Conditions that Russia will never attack Ukraine again ect...

This deal already exists. Ukraine and Russia agreed to that when Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons. The Russians simply shat on that agreement.

A peace deal or a cease fire is the best thing to do. Keeping up the war is a bad idea.
Could you accept fighting a lost war?

If the consequence means suppression of your own culture and effectively slavery? Yes. That's was Ukraine is facing, and they'll rather die fighting than surrendering to that. and it's fully understandable.

If Putin for example will start to feel, he can do everything and for example starting invading Moldavia or something. Then even Trump needs to say
''hey no way, thats enough buddy, don't be stupid''

Trump has just shown that America's promises aren't worth anything, that America cannot be relied on, that America cannot be trusted on.

Ostfriese

03-01-25, 06:29 AM

What Trump did yesterday is the equivalent of FDR telling Winston Churchill at their meeting of August 14, 1941, to surrender to Hitler under any terms Nazi Germany could come up with.

Dargo

03-01-25, 07:32 AM

The open clash between Trump and Zelenskyy cannot be without consequences for future negotiations, according to the Russians. Zelenskyy has no business there, is the message. Â‘We understood before that everything will be decided on the battlefield anyway,Â’ Kornilov told RIA Novosti. Â‘But the brilliant show at the White House clearly showed the whole world that we are necessarily dealing with, to put it mildly, not the most adequate figures in Ukraine, with whom dialogue is extremely difficult and simply without prospects.Â’

The US economy has one extremely vulnerable spot compared to the Chinese economy, its global economic enemy. Over scarce earth metals, the US hardly has any. China, on the other hand, does. Those raw materials are needed in numerous products, making the US' future competitive position against China extremely weak. Ukraine does have those earth metals, which is why Trump wants to make a quick deal on those earth metals with Ukraine at all costs. As a means of pressure, he is using the joker

MaDef

03-01-25, 08:16 AM

Ukraine’s non-American allies have delivered about 60 percent of all aid sent Ukraine, while the US has sent about 40 percent. As of 2 days ago the BBC has different figures its more along the lines of 49.5% EU, 42.7% U.S., 7.8% other countries.

The U.S. is still the largest single donor to Ukraine.

Jimbuna

03-01-25, 08:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDoc3XZFaCg

Jimbuna

03-01-25, 08:56 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-9pE6HiGM

Dargo

03-01-25, 10:16 AM

As of 2 days ago the BBC has different figures its more along the lines of 49.5% EU, 42.7% U.S., 7.8% other countries.

The U.S. is still the largest single donor to Ukraine.Your maths not correct it is the United States that has given about 40%, and it is the other non-American united allies that gave about 60%. If you see yourselves as 1 you have to see the other also as 1.

Jimbuna

03-01-25, 10:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lv_i5V9XqY

Jimbuna

03-01-25, 10:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OBOnTpv-a0

mapuc

03-01-25, 12:47 PM

I can conclude following by reading comment here in our forum and on FB.

Most of my FB friends are blaming Zelenskyy for the fiasco and most of my friends here is blaming Trump for the fiasco during yesterday meeting in the White House.

Markus

Dargo

03-01-25, 01:12 PM

Dargo

03-01-25, 01:24 PM

It has been clear for months that Trump and especially Vance do not give a damn about Ukraine, and see Zelenskyy as a stand-in-the-way. Sooner or later it would have erupted. That it happened sooner than expected also has an advantage. It creates clarity. No one in Europe is under any illusion after Friday that Trump will come around and return from Putin's camp. European leaders, together with Zelenskyy, will have to devise a contingency plan at lightning speed, preferably now rather than (even) later. Trump and Vance are dangerously drunk with power, imagining themselves infallible and decisive. That Zelenskyy so balked on his way to the scaffold is now being framed by the White House as a lack of pragmatism. In Trump's America, human trafficking suspect Andrew Tate and war criminal Putin can count on a warm welcome, and Zelenskyy gets a cold shower. That says it all.

It is too easy to say that Zelenskyy should have acted more diplomatically or smarter. Admittedly, it was not clever of the Ukrainian president to allow an unleashed Vance to give him a history lesson on Russia's unreliability and the inability of several US presidents, including Trump during his first term, to respond to it. On the other hand, more diplomacy on Zelenskyy's part would not have substantially changed the situation. According to Russian commentators, insulting Zelensky was a pre-conceived plan by the Trump administration, designed to distance itself from Ukraine. ‘Trump is implementing policies that are beneficial to Russia,’ one commentator told a talk show. ‘He is willing to give Russia everything it wants.’ MP Oleg Morozov predicted on the 60 Minutes programme, broadcast on Thursday, that Zelensky's visit would be a lesson in humiliation.

MaDef

03-01-25, 01:41 PM

Your maths not correct it is the United States that has given about 40%, and it is the other non-American united allies that gave about 60%. If you see yourselves as 1 you have to see the other also as 1.
Must be that modern math they teach these days. I posted the numbers from the BBC, got a problem with it, take it up with them. :rolleyes:

Jimbuna

03-01-25, 01:55 PM

Zelenskyy meets with Starmer in London

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy arrived at Downing Street and met with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

This is reported by Sky News, Censor.NET informs.

Earlier it was reported that the leaders would discuss security issues. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538693

EU can become real security provider for Ukraine - Mathernova

Europe has enough tools to become a real security provider for Ukraine.

This was stated by EU Ambassador Katarina Mathernova in an interview with Ukrinform, Censor.NET reports.

She recalled the position of Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni that the Western alliance is stronger together.

"I believe that we have enough elements, will and tools to become a real security provider. I think it would be more effective and easier with the United States than without it. But we just need to monitor the situation and adapt as it develops," the diplomat said.
Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538689

Jimbuna

03-01-25, 01:58 PM

Slovakia will not help Ukraine either financially or militarily - Fico

Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico said that his country would not provide military and financial assistance to Ukraine "to continue the war."

He announced this on Facebook, Censor.NET reports.

"If I, as one of the highest constitutional officials, am expected to react to the events in the White House, I will repeat the main points of my yesterday's speech," Fico said, adding that when he formulated them, he "was not influenced by the artistic impression of the meeting that excited everyone so much."

"The Slovak Republic will not support Ukraine either financially or militarily to continue the war. If others do so, we will respect that," he added.

Fico believes the "peace through strength" strategy is unrealistic, as "Ukraine will never be that strong."

He also said that Slovakia will propose an immediate ceasefire at the EU leaders' summit next week (March 6), regardless of when a final peace agreement is reached. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538685

US to sharply increase pressure on Ukraine to conclude peace deal - Bloomberg

The Trump administration may increase pressure on Ukraine to conclude a peace deal. It may also avoid direct contacts with Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

This is reported by Bloomberg, Censor.NET reports.

A source close to the Trump administration said that support for Ukraine under Joe Biden prompted Zelenskyy to expect that "the American people will continue to fund the war."

"Zelenskyy is done," he said.

Another Trump administration adviser said that too much had been invested in trying to reach an agreement to end the war to abandon it now.

European leaders, who are already struggling to meet Trump's demands to take on a greater role in supporting Ukraine's struggle and defending it from Russia, now face a choice between trying to help Kyiv on their own and making a deal with the United States, possibly at the expense of Zelenskyy's political future, the newspaper writes.

One of the interlocutors said that Europe will collectively try to "pick up the pieces," but it seems that Trump has decided to sell Ukraine. Some other European officials called the "failure" in the White House an "ambush."

Bloomberg notes that politicians in Europe are now considering how to respond if Trump does try to force Ukraine into a peace deal favorable to Russia.

They are still reeling from the shock of the harsh statements from the United States that America can no longer defend countries that have been its closest allies for seven decades. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538677

mapuc

03-01-25, 02:05 PM

Your FB friends are stupid, you could follow live how two people deliberate attacked one man, only courage shown that evening was from Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy refuses to kiss Trump's ass.
https://i.ibb.co/FFpkQwR/Kissass.webp (https://imgbb.com/)

I'll not call them stupid, but more like have an opinion.
As one of them wrote to me: Did you see the entire interview and not the last 10 minutes which was shown on tv ? To this I wrote No.

Markus

Dargo

03-01-25, 02:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ZJaMDZA-U

Catfish

03-01-25, 02:38 PM

I'll not call them stupid, but more like have an opinion.
Not all fascists are stupid. And regarding opinions they are like ar$eholes, everyone has one. Facts count, not opinions, and not Putin's or Trump's lies.
"Truth is what makes opinion pale."

Zelensky just refused to kneel and kiss Trump's a$$, and rightly so. How can Zelensky as an elected president of 67 percent votes give away his country's resources without consent with his people? How can he sign a forced "peace" treaty without the US giving ANY f'n guarantees about ending the war after he would do this?
This staged set-up, called "white house meeting"', led by JD Vance and created solely to embarrass Zelenskyy and deceive the American public was the most despicable sh!t show I ever had the pain to endure. Two bullies strying to shout down one man who stands up for his people, quite different to the others partaking.

On a lighter note

https://i.postimg.cc/SRBP2chq/iCdg3iQ.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

mapuc

03-01-25, 03:09 PM

^ These friends can be found on both side of the political spectrum. Which must mean Fascism can be found among left and right wing supporters.

Markus

MaDef

03-01-25, 03:16 PM

Not all fascists are stupid. And regarding opinions they are like ar$eholes, everyone has one. Facts count, not opinions, and not Putin's or Trump's lies.
"Truth is what makes opinion pale."

Zelensky just refused to kneel and kiss Trump's a$$, and rightly so. How can Zelensky as an elected president of 67 percent votes give away his country's resources without consent with his people? How can he sign a forced "peace" treaty without the US giving ANY f'n guarantees about ending the war after he would do this?
This staged set-up, called "white house meeting"', led by JD Vance and created solely to embarrass Zelenskyy and deceive the American public was the most despicable sh!t show I ever had the pain to endure. Two bullies strying to shout down one man who stands up for his people, quite different to the others partaking.

Then quit calling it a peace treaty because it wasn't it was a mineral trade agreement.

Zelensky knew full well what was and wasn't in that trade agreement BEFORE he arrived at the Whitehouse, Zelensky chose to try and gas-light Trump over security guarantees on live T.V. and was shown the door.

Skybird

03-01-25, 03:28 PM

Markus, sometimes there are just the good guys and the bad guys, and there is no sense in trying to make it more complicated than it is. :03:

Dargo

03-01-25, 04:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFDMxYNW484

Skybird

03-01-25, 04:34 PM

[FOCUS] After the scandal during the state visit of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Selenskyj to Washington to meet the US President, many questions remain unanswered. It is about security for Ukraine, it is about military support from the USA - and it is about the future of security policy in Europe. Prof. Dr. Joachim Krause, expert in international politics, answers the most important questions:

What can a European security architecture look like without the USA?

The scandal in Washington on February 28 made it abundantly clear that the leading power of the Western democracies has deserted the flag. The Trump administration has clearly sided with Russia. This process is unlikely to be reversible. This also means the end of NATO as we know it.

Can the Western community of states defend itself without the USA?

In principle, yes. We Europeans and Great Britain are 500 million people with a combined economic output of 22 trillion US dollars per year. We should not be afraid of a corrupt and incompetent regime like that of Vladimir Putin, which rules over 142 million Russians with an annual economic output of just 2.2 trillion US dollars. This Russia is also extremely weakened by the three-year war against Ukraine.

The European member states of NATO and Canada have a large number of military capabilities that need to be pooled and placed under a unified command. This will not be an easy undertaking, but it is possible. However, it requires that the European states invest much more in their defense. And it requires that larger states such as Germany, Poland, France, Great Britain and also Italy increase their military capabilities considerably and contribute more than before to an integrated structure in which the smaller states (especially in the Baltic region) also contribute their capabilities.

Is a security structure in Europe conceivable within NATO? Or within the framework of a European armed force that is yet to be set up?

I would argue for tackling this project within NATO. NATO has a hierarchical system of integrated headquarters, it has common military capabilities and can function without Americans. NATO also has a clear strategy for defending the eastern border against Russia. None of this should be given up.
It is just necessary to ensure that American capabilities are replaced by European ones. The European Union has nothing comparable in terms of integrated structures. Building something new would be extremely complex and take a lot of time, which we do not have.

It would also not be certain that Great Britain and Canada would be involved. As long as NATO is left, we are on the safe side. This does not rule out the possibility of the USA joining the alliance again in four years.

Where would the biggest gaps be in Europe?

Investments would have to be made primarily in air defense, logistics, electronic warfare and drone warfare. In addition, it must be ensured that a longer war against Russia can be endured, i.e. conscription must be reintroduced so that the pool of reservists increases.

The big question mark here is nuclear deterrence. Russia has around 1,400 nuclear weapons aimed at Europe. France and Great Britain have around 500 nuclear weapons between them. That is a certain deterrent potential, but it is significantly smaller than that of the USA.

It would be worth considering whether the non-nuclear European states, especially France, should provide financial support for a quantitative and qualitative expansion of its nuclear forces. This assumes that both Paris and London take on a nuclear guarantee role. I do not think that trying to create new national nuclear weapons potential is productive.

How much time do we Europeans have?

Not much, but given Russia's current military and economic weakness, we have a window of perhaps four to five years within which we can build a NATO defense that would provide a certain level of deterrence.

Would the creation of such a structure in Europe really deter Russia?

I think so, because we should not forget one thing: Russia has not managed to overthrow Ukraine in three years. Even less will it be able to overrun Europe. The real risks are for small countries on the periphery of Europe, especially the Baltic states, Finland, Poland and Romania.
This is about preventing Russia from occupying territory and securing its reconquest with nuclear threats. And even more importantly, it is about getting a grip on Russia's hybrid and political warfare. All of this must be possible - with or without a debt brake.

---------------

Three things are clear.

First, NATO as we grew up with no longer exists. Trump has the US aligned with Russia's interests. Its no longer reliable - for anything. Including arms Europeans have bought from the US, supply of spare parts or maintenance, intel cooperation (in fact several European nations have stopped intel cooperation and sharing secrets with the US when Trump took over). All this can be withheld - for blackmailing purposes.

Second, Taiwan's situation is despoerate and has seriosly detoriated. Whatever Trump says about it, it does not matter, he cannot be trusted, lies escape his lips as easy as a sigh. Taiwan must be very, very, very worried.

Third, Europe must find an answer of force over Greenland. I think currently europe cannot win such a fight, but my hope is that the US military will revolt if Trump goes to war a gainst Western European nations if these defend Greenland in strength with military means.

And an unpleasant forth point: do not take it for granetd that in four years this thing will be over. After Trump may come Vance, or somebody even worse. Get used to the thougth that we have left the US - forever.

Welcome to the new world.

Reece

03-01-25, 08:46 PM

I only just read your post Sky, very comforting! :up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KsQixXWig

Reece

03-01-25, 08:53 PM

Interesting eye opener: :yep:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Commander Wallace

03-02-25, 02:27 AM

Interesting eye opener: :yep:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Actually, you and I had discussed this memorandum back on 07-09-24, 08:57 AM. You may have forgotten. It was in this very thread. Post # 3936

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reece https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2917309#post2917309)
What really annoys me is that it is ok for Russia to use weapons and ammo from NK,Iran and China to strike Ukraine but Ukraine can't use western weapons to strike Russia!! :timeout: I would mention this to Poo-tin and start bombing Russia! :yep:
BTW, I'd give Ukraine some nukes as a deterrent to Russia! :yep:

Your comment and post struck a nerve. Sadly, IMHO, a lot of the blame for the Ukraine war resides with the stupid shortsightedness of the U.S and the U.K. When the breakup of the Soviet Union occurred, The U.S, England, and Russia convinced the Ukraine to give up what is estimated to be thousands of Nuclear Weapons. This was known as the Budapest Memorandum. It was thought that the maintenance of these weapons would be too costly for the Ukraine to handle. Certainly, The Ukraine could have retained possession of at least some of these weapons to act as a deterrent.

This stupid decision is being revisited now. To be sure, both the U.K and the U.S have been financially responsible in helping the Ukraine fight off Russia. To their credit, the U.S and the U.K honored their security arrangements with the Ukraine to varying degrees.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

There were also TU-160, mach 2 capable, Black Jack Bombers based in the Ukraine from the former Soviet Union which Russia also wanted back. If the Ukraine had retained possession of these strategic weapons, this war may very well have never even started.

I also referenced the Budapest Memorandum here as well in this same thread. 10-24-24, 11:22 AM Post # 5070

Actually, The Ukraine had in fact inherited a credible defense and deterrence when the former Soviet Union broke up. The arsenal Ukraine inherited included Nuclear Weapons as well as a BlackJack heavy bombers Regiment, Missiles of various sorts and Aircraft.

Ukraine inherited nuclear weapons after the breakup of the Soviet Union but voluntarily relinquished them in the 1990s in return for guarantees of its territorial integrity by Russia. We all know this is a deal Moscow obviously reneged on by invading its the Ukraine. This agreement was known as the Budapest Memorandum.

The U.S and U.K and I believe Germany stupidly browbeat the Ukraine into giving up it's Nuclear Weapons and other weapons. It can easily be argued that this stupid and short sighted Idea Orchestrated by " Good ole boy " President Clinton was not in the Ukraine's best interests. This agreement essentially doomed the Ukraine in the long run. It was thought that the Ukraine didn't have the knowledge or expertise to maintain these weapons which is rubbish. This stupid agreement has brought us to where we are today.

The U.S and other countries should have minded it's own business and let Ukraine tend to it's own business on how to maintain it's inherited Weaponry and territorial Integrity. Who better than the Ukraine would understand Russia and in ways the U.S and others do not.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/deceit-dread-and-disbelief-story-how-ukraine-lost-its-nuclear-arsenal-207076

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2022-04-08/was-ukraine-wrong-give-its-nukes

Reece

03-02-25, 02:41 AM

The main reason I put this link up again was to the contents: "US and UN positions (2025)". Naturally a lot of other interesting stuff that some may not have seen.:yep:
Cheers.

Commander Wallace

03-02-25, 02:49 AM

The main reason I put this link up again was to the contents: "US and UN positions (2025)". Naturally a lot of other interesting stuff that some may not have seen.:yep:
Cheers.

It's all good, Reece. I just wasn't sure if you remembered. :)

The articles and links we both posted do put the Ukraine Issues in perspective. :yep:

Reece

03-02-25, 03:20 AM

Yes, I just wish and hope that Trump would settle down a bit, ok, a lot! :yep:

Raf1394

03-02-25, 05:44 AM

The UK and France and some other unknown nations (European i guess)
are talking about proposing a peace deal/cease fire towards the US, regarding Ukraine and Russia.

Eichhörnchen

03-02-25, 05:56 AM

^ Yes - and this looks like being crucial. Hopefully Turkey will be involved :Kaleun_Salute:

Skybird

03-02-25, 06:37 AM

^ Neither Putin nor his American Mini-me will care. They have their demands and plans and thats it.

Many still seem to not have understood what Trump realyl wants. He wants not just destroying Ukraine and feast on its pieces - he also wants to destroy Europe as a united bloc, a strong economic rival that is. He does not want to deal with an economically strong EU that is big enough to throw rocks in his way, but with weak single states whom he can dictate his terms and conditions. Divide et impera. Hence his destruction of NATO.

In a way Putin's Mini-me is now more dangerous for Europe than Putin himself. Europe is trapped in a two fronts conflict now. The British would be well-advised to understand this. "Special relaitons" is a term to please sentmentalists. Trump only thinks in dollars, he gives brown stuff for tradition and special relations. What will not sotp him to pour this honey into British ears if that is what gets him what he wants, and turns Britains into obedient vasalls.

As for the White House slaughter , it was staged, a pure propaganda show, the idea was to boost public support for Mini-me's pro-Russian policy and his siding with Putin. That Trumpist die hards do not mind shows how totalitarian these people really tick. America's biggest enemy now seats deep within. And many do not realise that! The Kremlin - has a mole in the White House. this mole doe snot need to hide, but dances and parades in the rooms and hallways.

Nothing good will come from this.

Eichhörnchen

03-02-25, 07:22 AM

^ I agree with all of that - and the "Special Relationship" is worthless if there's a Trump in the White House - to him it's only worth lies in its publicity and propaganda value

Skybird

03-02-25, 07:23 AM

^ Also, do not miss that Trump still also has a personal agenda. He wants Zelinskyi lying in the sand, to his feet, he wants personal revenge. His thirst for vengeance is far from satisfied. This is a pattern of his lifelong biography - anyone who serves him is enthusiastically celebrated, anyone who disappoints him even slightly is immediately toppled from the pedestal and condemned in the wildest terms, anyone who stands in his way is mercilessly dealt with. Trump is far from finished with Zelenskyi. When he has trampled his body into the dust and degraded and humiliated him to the maximum, he will leave him alone. To be fed to the lions, as a present for his Russian buddy Valdimir.

Zelenskyi can safely let go any hope to come to fair terms with this monster. For Trump, this is nit just about imperial politics, for him it also is personal. As I have described on previous occasions that psychopaths can become incredibly cruel when they encounter resistance that they cannot immediately overcome.

In psychiatry and psychology, a disorder characterized by an extreme inability to empathize and a tendency toward cold-hearted or cruel behavior could be categorized under several terms. One possible term would be "Antisocial Personality Disorder" (also known as "Psychopathy" or "Sociopathy"), especially if the behavior involves a repeated disregard for the rights of others, lack of guilt or remorse, and a profound lack of empathy.

Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder typically exhibit patterns of manipulation, lying, and/or aggressive behavior, and they often struggle to empathize with the feelings and needs of others. They may also display "cold-blooded" behavior. They often are extremely manipulative and abusive.

Another disorder that could be associated with an extreme lack of empathy is "Narcissistic Personality Disorder", which is characterized by a lack of empathy and an excessive need for admiration. However, this disorder is more marked by self-centeredness and an inflated sense of one's own importance.

It’s important to note that these disorders often exist on a spectrum in practice, and there are many individual differences among those affected. The degree of empathy deficiency and the expression of the disorder can vary.

Note that different to other psychiatrists and psychologists who may have publihed their views on Trump in the media with greater hesitagtion and caution, I absolutely emphasize the obviousness of this personality description. This man is neither especially clever nor witty (thats why I think he almost never has a plan B, and thus his aggressiveness when plan A meets resistance). He simply is deeply sick and FUBAR, and his deeds are not the result of determination or genius, but total lack of empathy and a dangerous amount of malice and self-righteousness. Combine this with the growing signs of age-related mental degeneration as to be seen in recent weeks and months on severla occasions, and you realise how extremely dangerous for us all this situation is. He may become increasignly irrational and instabile. We can thank God if the world gets out of the present 4 years Trump era without going ablaze.

Catfish

03-02-25, 07:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwOBT-7W94c

Eichhörnchen

03-02-25, 08:10 AM

@ Sky - very useful summing up there for all those who haven't got him sussed out; We had Trump diagnosed-up as a sociopath and narcissist way back

Skybird

03-02-25, 08:28 AM

Many people do not understand how dangerous and cruel even a narcissist can be. Not to mention a psychopath. Narcissists are not just all hooshy-wooshy and if they dont get their applause and candy they hide and cry. They can become very aggressive, underhanded and dangerous.

Skybird

03-02-25, 08:29 AM

Hooshy-wooshy. Maybe I should file a patent on this word creation, I like it. :D

MaDef

03-02-25, 09:04 AM

And all those European Politicians & leaders are only in it for purely humanitarian reasons, and are in line for sainthoods. Give me a break. :har:

Skybird

03-02-25, 09:25 AM

Maybe, maybe not, but the scale of their offenses against Ukraine does in no way compare to that of Trump and Vance. Vance pissed on tens of thousands of graves, this dirty pig. So did Putin's Mini-me.

No, do not compare the Europeans and Trumpists on this.

I predict this kind of sh!+ throwing will become the new normal in US politics, and the smell shows everything you need to know about this policy.

What a disgrace.
----------------

Media report, some of them, that they of course watched the White House slaughter in complete disbelief, they could not believe what they were watching. This all runs so much better than anything they could have ever dreamed of. It exceeds all their hopes and expectations. With such a ruthless and powerfull ally by their side they are doomed to win now - at their terms and conditions.

mapuc

03-02-25, 10:08 AM

Only thing I have to add to this farce is: It made me truly sad seeing what happened at this meeting. I hope Ukraine will overcome with help from Europe.

Markus

Dargo

03-02-25, 10:26 AM

After 9/11, NATO's Article 5 was invoked for the first (and only) time ever by the United States. Troops from the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, Australia, Spain, Poland, Norway, Romania, Turkey, New Zealand, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Finland, and many others joined the fight in Afghanistan. Has JD Vance, president Krasnov said 'thank you' once for their sacrifice?

Zelenskyy’s top guy Andrii Yermak says it’s time to arrange a meeting between Zelenskyy and Xi. When America abandons its friends, China steps in. president Krasnov didn’t just weaken NATO, he opened the door for China to become the new global power broker.

Kremlin spokesman Peskov: president Krasnov's foreign policy configurations largely coincide with our vision.

https://i.ibb.co/32Pq9bg/needmakeup.jpg (https://ibb.co/F2dML1R)

Skybird

03-02-25, 11:06 AM

The refugee disaster is leading to a demographic disaster and an economic disaster for Ukraine.

https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/immer-mehr-ukraine-gefluechtete-wollen-nicht-zurueck-kriegsende-koennte-desaster-zu-tage-bringen-93602689.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Skybird

03-02-25, 11:11 AM

Dargo

03-02-25, 11:18 AM

How exceptional was the row in the Oval Office? History has far more intense power strugglesInternational diplomacy Unprecedented, the clash in the Oval Office? It could be much worse. Take the scene in the Reich Chancellery in 1939 with Czechoslovak president Emil Hácha. Or the investiture battle between German King Henry IV and Pope Gregory VII, which led to the corridor to Canossa in 1077. It could always be worse - including the confrontation last Friday between Ukrainian President Zelensky and US President Trump and his vice-president JD Vance. Commentators spoke of a diplomatic disaster of unprecedented proportions, but a glance at history shows that negotiators have been at each other's throats before - even if they were not usually allies.

Infamous - also because of its dramatic consequences - is the fate of the three Mongol ambassadors who went to the court of Muhammad II of Chorasia (roughly present-day Iran) in 1218 to establish commercial links between his empire and that of their leader, Dzhengis Khan. Muhammad, however, proved uninterested in a good relationship with his neighbour: he had one ambassador beheaded and the other two he shaved bald (or he scorched their beards, sources are unclear about that). When this news came to Dzhengis Khan's attention, according to the 13th-century Persian History of the World (https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.507519/page/80/mode/2up), ‘a whirlwind of rage scattered dust in the eyes of patience and mercy, while the fire of anger flared so high that the flames drove the water out of his eyes and could only be extinguished by the shedding of blood’. Dzhengis Khan in the devastating war against Chorasmia (roughly present-day Iran), after Muhammad II had a Mongol ambassador beheaded in 1218. Thus it happened. Dzhengis Khan ended the war in China he was fighting at the time and marched with a huge army into Chorasmia, which he destroyed. Or, in the language of the History of the World: ‘For every drop of blood [of the ambassadors] a whole [river] of Oxus flowed, for every hair on their heads dogderd thousand heads rolled’. The battle lasted three years and cost the lives of between two and 15 million Chorasmians.

A more recent negotiation in which diplomatic mores were flouted was that of the night of 14-15 March 1939 between Adolf Hitler and Czechoslovak president Emil Hácha. This was the final act in the destruction of his country, which had begun with the much better-known Munich Conference in September 1938. The scene in the Reich Chancellery as described by eyewitnesses was akin to the unsavoury scenes in the Oval Office last Friday. After first making him wait for hours, Hitler and his second-in-command Hermann Göring shouted at their guest that if he did not immediately give his country to Nazi Germany, the Luftwaffe would bomb Prague flat. German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop literally chased Hácha around the table and tried to push a pen into his hands to sign the papers. Sometime that night, the hapless president reportedly suffered a heart attack. He was helped upright with injections and accepted the inevitable at 03.55 am. Not much later, Czech radio broadcast a call from Hácha declaring that he was ‘confidently handing over the Czech state and nation to the Führer of the German nation’.

Several diplomats, including NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, have advised Zelensky to repair his ties with Trump. A historical parallel that immediately comes to mind here is the famous walk to Canossa that German king Henry IV had to make in 1077 to settle his quarrel with Pope Gregory VII. Prince and prince of the church had disagreed over who had the right to appoint high clergy. The king considered the king, the pope the deputy of Christ on earth. Henry drove this so-called Investiture dispute to a head by declaring in 1076 that Gregory was no longer pope. The latter hit back saying that Henry was no longer king and excommunicated him. The German monarch had overplayed his hand and he had to beg Gregory's forgiveness. The latter was in a castle near the Italian city of Canossa. When Frederick arrived there on 25 January, it was snowing. To show his humility, wrote the medieval monk and chronicler Lambert of Hersfeld in his Annals (https://archive.org/details/diejahrbcherdes00wattgoog/page/n330/mode/2up), Henry laid off ‘all signs of royal dignity’. He stood outside for three days - ‘barefoot, fasting from morning to night’ - until the pope was finally willing to pardon him.

In diplomacy, such an appeal for forgiveness is not always successful. Queen Louise of Prussia, for instance, experienced this when she asked Napoleon for mercy on Prussia after he defeated it in 1806. Louise, said the French emperor, had been the driving force behind Prussian hostility. She inspected the Prussian troops, Napoleon wrote, while ‘in a trance and constant state of agitation. She wanted blood’. When she came to ask the emperor for mercy a year later, the queen feared the worst, but their encounter was not painful. Napoleon inquired of Louise what had moved Prussia to declare war on France. She replied, ‘The fame of Frederick the Great has made us lose sight of our forces.’ Napoleon, in a letter to his wife, described Louise as ‘coquettish’, but assured the empress that her charms had had no effect on him. Indeed, Louise failed to improve Prussia's fortunes, and she died three years later at the age of 34. So the diplomatic mission had achieved nothing, but she retained enormous popularity from her performance. Until World War II, she was revered as the ‘Prussian Madonna’. https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/03/02/diplomatieke-dramas-van-vroeger-dzjengis-khan-napoleon-en-adolf-hitler-a4884961

Dargo

03-02-25, 11:27 AM

Unbelievable, if true. And I think its bad enough to be true.

[FOCUS] According to two media reports, the USA and Russia are planning to restart the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. According to the Financial Times, the former managing director of the pipeline, Matthias Warnig, came up with the idea and is driving the project forward.

Bild reports that the former US ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, has traveled unofficially to Switzerland several times in recent weeks. The operating companies of Nord Stream 2 are based there. According to the report, the USA and Russia could conclude a supply contract through which the USA could act as an intermediary and transport gas from Russia to Germany. This would allow the USA to control Russian gas flows to Europe, writes the Financial Times.

According to Bild, Trump's government would not be involved, and instead US investors would make the deal. Several bidders have already expressed interest.

Part of the pipeline was blown up in an act of sabotage in 2022. According to an internal report, however, repairs are possible. A few weeks ago, the responsible court decided to postpone the bankruptcy of Nord Stream 2 AG. According to reports, the German government has not yet been involved in the talks. German authorities would also have to approve the restart of the pipeline.
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Unfassbar.So President Krasnov want to lose US export of LNG to the Netherlands (70% of natural gas is LNG from the US) and give that to his master Putin? The Netherlands is one of the biggest transfer hub of natural gas into Europe.

Maybe it is gone happen lets tour the past:
Trump declared: “I ended the Russian pipeline. It was dead. He [Biden] comes in and approves it.” Trump went on to allege that Biden did so because money from the former mayor of Moscow’s wife was paid to the Biden family. Similarly, in a speech at CPAC last year, Trump noted that he “got along very well with Putin even though I’m the one that ended his pipeline. … I ended it. It was dead.” Trump added that “nobody ever heard of Nord Stream 2 until I came along.”

In fact, Trump did not stop Nord Stream 2 — he enabled it. The Nord Stream 2 pipeline went from zero to 90 percent completed during Trump’s presidency. Rather than stop it “dead,” the Trump administration rejected years of bipartisan congressional calls for imposition of sanctions to stop the project. Only when Congress, in frustration, passed mandatory sanctions did the administration finally take concrete action. But by then it was too late.

Far from “nobody” ever hearing of it, Nord Stream 2 was a lightning rod from when it was announced in 2015. The pipeline deal was part of the misguided German policy of deepening energy ties with Russia, despite Putin’s illegal annexation of Crimea and his fomenting of separatism in the Donbas region of Ukraine. https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/4726844-trumps-nord-stream-2-disaster/mlite/

Back to today:
A former spy and close friend of Vladimir Putin has been engineering a restart of Russia’s Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Europe with the backing of US investors, a once unthinkable move that shows the breadth of Donald Trump’s rapprochement with Moscow. The efforts on a deal, according to several people aware of the discussions, were the brainchild of Matthias Warnig, an ex-Stasi officer in East Germany who until 2023 ran Nord Stream 2’s parent company for the Kremlin-controlled gas giant Gazprom.

Warnig’s plan involved outreach to the Trump team through US businessmen, the people said, as part of back-channel efforts to broker an end to the war in Ukraine while deepening economic ties between the US and Russia.Some prominent Trump administration figures are aware of the initiative to bring in US investors, according to officials in Washington, and they see it as part of the push to rebuild relations with Moscow. https://www.ft.com/content/dc9c51ab-03cb-47ba-ad0a-09c4deed9b50

Skybird

03-02-25, 11:36 AM

No, he wants to gain something: control over the gas going into Europe beside US LNG. That way, Europe, as far as it needs gas, would be helplessly exposed to the US where Germany was exposed to Russian gas in the past. As an intermediary the US would also collect fees and play prices against each other to maximise its profits.

Again, it shows how this regime ticks.

Dargo

03-02-25, 12:53 PM

Be glad that they are stupid, the damage is in our waters, and we own 49% of that pipeline.

Jimbuna

03-02-25, 12:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq9Cw4NFWEU

Jimbuna

03-02-25, 12:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KsQixXWig

Dargo

03-02-25, 01:47 PM

What was agreed at the Ukraine summit? The leaders agreed on four important things at the summit, each country should contribute in the best possible way.

Military aid to Ukraine must continue, even if there is a truce with Russia. European sanctions against Moscow also remain intact.
Ukraine must be present at talks on ending the war, and it must remain independent.
In the event of a peace deal, European leaders will try to deter a future invasion by Russia of Ukraine. Ukraine's defence industry must grow substantially.
The formation of a coalition of countries that will have to protect Ukraine if there is a ceasefire. This will be a coalition of ‘willing’ countries, but details are not yet clear.

Jimbuna

03-02-25, 01:53 PM

Bridges must be built to avoid division in West - Meloni

The United Kingdom and Italy can play an important role in building bridges between Europe and the United States to avoid a split in the West.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Sky News.

As noted, this statement was made by Giorgia Meloni when she arrived at the summit on Ukraine and met with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

"I think it's very, very important that we avoid the risk of a split in the West. I think the UK and Italy can play an important role in building bridges on this issue," she said, welcoming him.

She added that if the West is divided, it will "make us all weaker."

For his part, Starmer said he "looks forward to talking" with Maloney "about the important issues that face us."

"We have a very similar mentality, so I look forward to hearing your views on these issues," the British prime minister added.

Maloney thanked Starmer for convening the summit on Ukraine.

Earlier it was also reported that Meloni had a phone conversation with Trump before meeting with Zelenskyy. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538762

Jimbuna

03-02-25, 01:54 PM

White House waits for Zelenskyy to ’fix situation’ after dispute with Trump - NBC News

The White House says the situation is uncertain in the wake of the public spat between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the Oval Office and is awaiting the next step from the Ukrainian leader.

Several White House officials told NBC News on condition of anonymity, Censor.NET reports citing UP.

NBC News sources claim that the incident in the White House "was not planned at all" and was "the exact opposite of what most people expected from the meeting."

According to the TV channel's interlocutors, Trump administration officials were dissatisfied with the insistence on "security guarantees" in the minerals agreement, and the Ukrainian side allegedly insisted on appropriate changes to the document before the meeting.

It was absolutely clear to Zelenskyy that there would be no security guarantees in this deal," one source told NBC News.

White House officials say they are not sure what Zelenskyy can do to convince Trump to resume talks with him - he is still not convinced that the Ukrainian president wants to negotiate to "end the war." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538755

Catfish

03-02-25, 02:20 PM

Dargo

03-02-25, 02:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQDtVPZ8n8o

Dargo

03-02-25, 02:35 PM

^ ? The white house can wait for this until hell freezes over, or until "truth social" (lmao) posts anything true.
Have they gone completely insane now? The only ones who have to excuse their behaviour are Vance and Trump. Everybody saw what happened.Krasnov is always playing a card game, with everyone. He thinks that, as the most powerful man in the world, he can bring everyone to their knees if necessary. But he doesn't. Zelenskyy will certainly want to return to the White House if security guarantees for Ukraine are put on the table. No, we are not falling for Krasnov's bluff poker.

Skybird

03-02-25, 03:32 PM

Krasnov, eh...?! :haha: Somebody should tell him what the last two times happend when Ukraine accepted butter-soft "security guarantees". They will not make the mistake again to leave the table with nothing substantial.

Something really solid, robust and substantial. Not just implications and theoretical blabla - they had that. It led them to where they are now.

mapuc

03-02-25, 03:56 PM

If he is right, then it's nothing but hot air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8_VT1glcOA&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

Dargo

03-02-25, 03:59 PM

Russian propagandists are worried about a possible European military union:These states have a strong military history and tradition. Quite recently, they were among the strongest armies in the world. So we should not be dismissive of them and underestimate the danger from them. https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1896124181269381229

Catfish

03-02-25, 04:47 PM

Russian propagandists are worried about a possible European military
It seems the greens will support the german military with the Spd and the Cdu. Germany cannot do it alone fast enough, but maybe just maybe the EU can for once do something together without threatening with a forever debate.
Russian top anchor propagandist Solovyov already said Russia will bomb Germany, England and France into oblivion. So he sure is not worried. We saw how Russia took Ukraine in three days.. ahem.

mapuc

03-02-25, 05:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaCbUtTuLhA&ab_channel=AndersPuckNielsen

Markus

Ostfriese

03-03-25, 01:07 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlDo63YXgAAu-zR?format=jpg&name=small

Exocet25fr

03-03-25, 06:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbRDP2t7gyY

Skybird

03-03-25, 08:39 AM

^ I hope its electronics and engines are much more reliable than that in the old tank. The Leclerc is onown and feared for breaking down all the time. An overbred prima donna. Tnats why only Jordan and the united arab emirates bought it.

Also, these days tanks must have exceptional drone protection systems. The Ukrainians currently use 380 dollar drones to blow up tanks costing by habit - and vice versa. Western tanks cost 4-8+ million dollars or more, Russian T-72s can be had already for 300,000 dollars.

Curious: the German IFV Puma - costs a hopping 17 million. Its the most expensive armoured combat vehicle in the world. Thats why no state buys them.

Jimbuna

03-03-25, 08:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcsquy6KZxk&t=10s

Jimbuna

03-03-25, 08:56 AM

UNBELIEVABLE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3RFzX4AW4

Eichhörnchen

03-03-25, 10:25 AM

These videos, to me, show a country paralysed; a noble, civilised people after a sudden, unexpected transfusion of contaminated blood - never mind vaccine phobias and monkey pox :oops::o

Jimbuna

03-03-25, 10:39 AM

These videos, to me, show a country paralysed; a noble, civilised people after a sudden, unexpected transfusion of contaminated blood - never mind vaccine phobias and monkey pox :oops::o

QFT :yep:

Skybird

03-03-25, 12:26 PM

These videos, to me, show a country paralysed; a noble, civilised people after a sudden, unexpected transfusion of contaminated blood - never mind vaccine phobias and monkey pox :oops::o

Eh - sorry, no, they VOTED to get contaminated blood injected, they knew it is contaminated since term 1 at the latest, and during th Biden years Trump let no doutb on what he wanted to do. America got what it deserved. As always, I hold voters accountable for their voting. I always do, everywhere, in every country, including my own. The only unjust thing here is the fate of all (non-American) others being affected by the American system collapse.

Jimbuna

03-03-25, 12:42 PM

Zelenskyy makes "worst statement" about distant peace with Russia. US will not put up with it, - Trump

US President Donald Trump has called the words of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that the war with Russia is still "very far away" the "worst statement".

He wrote about this on his social network Truth Social, Censor.NET reports.

Zelenskyy's words, which were commented on by the American president, were heard the night before, when the Ukrainian leader was leaving London after participating in the summit. At the time, he also expressed hope that the United States would continue to help Ukraine despite the public spat in the Oval Office, the Associated Press quoted him as saying.

"This is the worst statement that Zelenskyy could have made, and America will not put up with it for long! This is what I said, this guy doesn't want peace as long as he has America's support, and Europe has said directly in a meeting with Zelensky that they can't do it without the United States," Trump said.

According to him, "it's probably not the best statement" made in terms of "demonstrating strength to Russia."

"What are they thinking?" Trump summarized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538992

Mertz: Zelenskyy-Trump dispute was "deliberate escalation" by US

The head of the German CDU party and future chancellor Friedrich Merz said that the skirmish during the visit of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to the White House was deliberately caused by the American side.

This is reported by tagesschau, Censor.NET reports.

Merz noted that he had watched the footage of the meeting between Trump and Zelensky in the Oval Office several times.

"In my opinion, this was not a spontaneous reaction to Zelensky's remarks, but a clear deliberate escalation at this meeting in the Oval Office. Usually, such meetings with the press last only a few minutes. On Friday, it was different," he said after consultations with CDU committees in Berlin.

He noted that he was "quite surprised, including by the mutual tone of the dialog."

The clash between Zelenskiy and U.S. President Donald Trump fits in with the current behavior of the U.S. government, Mertz added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538955

Jimbuna

03-03-25, 12:47 PM

Finnish President Stubb on Trump-Zelenskyy dispute: We need to shake hands and move on

Amid a quarrel between US President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Finnish President Alexander Stubb called on everyone to calm down and return to negotiations.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Hromadske.

Stubb is convinced that the agreement on rare earth minerals between Ukraine and the United States is very important and can be a "turning point." Therefore, he expressed hope that "we can find a solution" to this agreement.

In addition, in his opinion, "sometimes public diplomacy" does not work, so the Finnish president believes that in such situations "we need to be Finns: take a deep breath, take a cold bath, a sauna, breathe and return to the negotiating table."

The Finnish president was also asked about the statements that Zelenskyy should be the first to restore relations with Trump. He replied that "it takes two to tango".

"You know, sometimes that's what happens in marriage or other kinds of relationships - you go to your corner and sulk. But you have to come out, talk, shake hands, and move on," Stubb said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538984

We want to hear from Zelenskyy that he regrets dispute with Trump - Waltz

President Donald Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Waltz said that the US administration expects to hear from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that he regrets the dispute that took place in the Oval Office on February 28.

Volz said this in an interview with Fox News, Censor.NET reports.

"Zelenskyy really did his country a real disservice by not reaching a positive result on Friday, and you know, we'll see how things develop further," the Trump adviser said.

Waltz also noted that the White House wants to hear from Zelenskyy "that he regrets what happened, that he is willing to sign this rare earth minerals agreement, and that he is willing to participate in peace talks."

"I don't think it's too much. I think it's what's best for the American people, for the Ukrainian people, for Russia and for the world to restore stability," he concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3538980

Catfish

03-03-25, 01:07 PM

^ Really? I would tell them to go f. themselves.

B.t.w.
After 9/11, NATO's Article 5 was invoked for the first (and only) time ever by the United States. Troops from the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, Australia, Spain, Poland, Norway, Romania, Turkey, New Zealand, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Finland, and many others joined the fight in Afghanistan. Has JD Vance, president Krasnov said 'thank you' once for their sacrifice?

Maybe Zelensky will say something to president Trump Krasnov but I doubt it will be an excuse. I almost hope it will not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jU37pywn9Q

Catfish

03-03-25, 01:17 PM

UNBELIEVABLE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3RFzX4AW4

:nope::nope::nope:

Eichhörnchen

03-03-25, 01:38 PM

I don't see why Zelenski should mind saying that he "regrets what happened" - he's not admitting any blame with that statement - if that's what they want to hear. Who wouldn't regret being roughed-up by a couple of thugs in a public place?

Eichhörnchen

03-03-25, 02:06 PM

Eh - sorry, no, they VOTED to get contaminated blood injected, they knew it is contaminated

Yes they got their marigold hero, but they were mainly voting on domestic issues and surely can have had no inkling of how deep and widespread the harm would turn out to be - connivance with the Russians and the potential destruction of NATO not the least - hence my analogy

Dargo

03-03-25, 02:40 PM

What the Krasnov administration seems to be most interested in is engineering a strategic rapprochement with Russia, not in ending the war in Ukraine. Ukraine is supposed to be just currency for that deal, which is why it causes so much anger when it shows agency of its own. Krasnov won't extort Ukraine's minerals unless Zelenskyy apologises. It's going to be such a beautiful betrayal, such an awesome betrayal, the whole world will be amazed... Like only an absolute genius can do! Putin will confirm that and Elon will name his next daughter after it. He will do that. Yes, he will.

mapuc

03-03-25, 03:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxq-TvgNCBU&ab_channel=AndersPuckNielsen

Markus

August

03-03-25, 03:40 PM

All I see here are impotent European nations who are unwilling to see to their own defense whining about the US not giving enough. Well maybe it IS time for us to leave NATO. Our membership in that organization has never really benefited us (no I don't count the token contingents sent to Afghanistan) and frankly i'm tired of listening to their constant complaining as if we owe them their security when it's the other way around.

The bottom line is WE don't need NATO to defend ourselves and the Europeans are certainly capable of defending themselves if they wanted to, so let them.

mapuc

03-03-25, 03:51 PM

First of all, he must apologize for the sensational meeting at the White House on Friday, which ended in a real verbal spat between the two presidents.

Next, he must declare his readiness to sign the mineral agreement that has previously been on the table - and which was actually supposed to be signed on Friday before it all went awry.

And then he must be ready for peace negotiations, reports Waltz, who also says in the interview that it's 'not too much to ask for'.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/her-er-trumps-krav-til-zelenskyj/10547170?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

Catfish

03-03-25, 04:16 PM

Why does Zelensky have to sign this agreement?

Bilge_Rat

03-03-25, 04:28 PM

Catfish

03-03-25, 04:30 PM

[blah] The bottom line is WE don't need NATO to defend ourselves and the Europeans are certainly capable of defending themselves if they wanted to, so let them.
You say you want to make us happy!
Thanks, we will miss you.

mapuc

03-03-25, 04:38 PM

This was a good question Dave put up.

Can NATO Europe survive without USA ?
Can NATO USA survive without NATO ?

Markus

Catfish

03-03-25, 04:54 PM

Isn't it funny it just takes some Krasnov to change the US peoples' opinion towards international relationship and make them russian fans.

Platapus

03-03-25, 05:32 PM

Part of this peace deal is that Russia gives back all the territory it took.. Right? Right? Anyone?

mapuc

03-03-25, 05:49 PM

Part of this peace deal is that Russia gives back all the territory it took.. Right? Right? Anyone?

That is Ukraines demand for signing the peace treaty

@ Catfish
I must have missed something, 'cause I can't remember why Trump are being called Krasnov

Markus

August

03-03-25, 07:23 PM

This was a good question Dave put up.

Can NATO Europe survive without USA ?
Can NATO USA survive without NATO ?

Markus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7giYIisLuaA

MaDef

03-03-25, 09:32 PM

Europe better start cranking up the munitions factories. Zelensky screwed the pooch when he listened to the "Never Trumpers".

The Trump administration is pausing all aid to Ukraine, including weapons in transit or in Poland, until Ukrainian leaders show more appreciation for U.S. support and a commitment to peace

MaDef

03-03-25, 09:37 PM

This was a good question Dave put up.

Can NATO Europe survive without USA ?
Can NATO USA survive without NATO ?

Markus

It can if the other members step up
But I don't think the European Union survives past 10-15 years.

I'm unaware of a NATO U.S. but the U.S. can survive outside of NATO.

Skybird

03-03-25, 10:37 PM

The US discontinues all military aid to Ukraine.

I would not be surprised if Starlink goes down next.

How deep a fall. Putting a dagger into Ukraine's back so that Vladimir can easier subjugate it, and the Donald feasting on the helpless corps, being happy that his beloved Vladimir invited him.

Its not peace talks what Donny wants. It is total submission.

Otto Harkaman

03-03-25, 10:38 PM

Part of this peace deal is that Russia gives back all the territory it took.. Right? Right? Anyone?

Its been a stalemate for years, you going to send about 400,000 troops to the Ukraine, so they can launch a summer offensive and maybe get some back?

mapuc

03-03-25, 10:52 PM

It can if the other members step up
But I don't think the European Union survives past 10-15 years.

I'm unaware of a NATO U.S. but the U.S. can survive outside of NATO.

Military independent-No doubt
Economical-If Europe stop* buying military stuff from USA-Would USA overcome this setback ? The military complex is selling for trillions of dollars to Europe.

* Not going to happen-It was more a thought scenario, where Europe boykot military stuff from USA.

Markus

Raf1394

03-04-25, 12:29 AM

Europe seems to much relied on American military equipment, and Russian gas.

I always wanted that the EU could stand there own ground.

And why is a EU/Russian pact not an option?
Is it possible that the EU actually does business with Russia. Instead of the US? What kind of impact would this have?

I know the historical ties between the EU and the US is better. But isn't the close distance between Russia and the EU a benefit for partnership?

MaDef

03-04-25, 12:54 AM

The US discontinues all military aid to Ukraine.

How deep a fall. Putting a dagger into Ukraine's back so that Vladimir can easier subjugate it, and the Donald feasting on the helpless corps, being happy that his beloved Vladimir invited him.

Its not peace talks what Donny wants. It is total submission.Your TDS is really flaring up today, you might want to increase your prescription dosage.

Trump wants an end to the fighting period, The U.S. is also tired of shelling out money on lost causes (Iraq & Afghanistan are still pretty fresh).
We told you 2 years ago when this started that the U.S. considered this a European problem, for 2 years Europe sat on it's ass. You kids in Europe need to sit down and be quiet, while the adults figure it out. Either that or start mobilizing your armies to fight in Ukraine cause that's the only chance you have of moving him out of there. (and that's a very small sliver of a slim chance)

Europe seems to much relied on American military equipment, and Russian gas.

I always wanted that the EU could stand there own ground.

And why is a EU/Russian pact not an option?
Is it possible that the EU actually does business with Russia. Instead of the US? What kind of impact would this have?

I know the historical ties between the EU and the US is better. But isn't the close distance between Russia and the EU a benefit for partnership?
It is, but due to history and long memories they don't trust each other.

Blame the Germans, They had a non aggression pact with the Soviet union, then turned around and sucker punched them with Operation Barbarossa. the Ruskies weren't happy.

Otto Harkaman

03-04-25, 01:25 AM

https://youtu.be/4Zfza3RHM-8?si=RuPw-3Eb0zuYS02S

https://youtu.be/ZHm_7T7QNl8?si=5idhVqYQB4UFluGq

Skybird

03-04-25, 04:27 AM

The EU proposes a 800bn budget plan for European military affairs.

Catfish

03-04-25, 04:53 AM

^^ no need to whitwash anything happening in the white house, we all saw it. It is a Trump ego problem, not anybody else's.
Zelensky has thanked the US government and the american people numerous times again and again, but Trump wanted that he thanks HIM personally, basically for nothing. Because all the help that happened did not take place with Trump in charge. And with Krasnov's past we know why.

Trump even denies that Russia attacked three years ago. This was a trap setup for Zelensky, but it was Putin's Krasnov and this Vance idiot that came out blemished, for all the world to see. This was not about peace, this was about american greed.

Ukraine as a non-NATO member has sent soldiers to fight and die in US wars. They contributed 6000 soldiers in Iraq and Kuwait and they were in Afghanistan for 14 years.

Skybird

03-04-25, 05:37 AM

Donny says to his friend Vladimir, "I'll hold his arms behind his back and you'll stab him in the chest with the dagger and then we'll divide the loot in his pockets. And woe betide him if he defends himself! Some people must be forced to hold peace!"

Jimbuna

03-04-25, 09:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVv_9oqWzk

Jimbuna

03-04-25, 09:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxxDtzfEqFI

Skybird

03-04-25, 10:07 AM

Media quote insiders saying that without US aid Ukraine can continue the fight on the current intensity level for around 6 months.

Some media report that Starlink for Ukrainian use indeed is imminent to being shut down. Ukraine then will suffer a major blow to the efficiency to its most important weapon: drones.

A few media speculate that stopping intellignece data and recce data transfer will be shut down, too.

No favor is too big to do for your buddy Vladimir, right, Donny?

Shearwater

03-04-25, 11:06 AM

You kids in Europe need to sit down and be quiet, while the adults figure it out. Either that or start mobilizing your armies to fight in Ukraine cause that's the only chance you have of moving him out of there. (and that's a very small sliver of a slim chance)

I agree. Looking back at the White House meeting last Friday, some adults present would have really made a difference.

Jimbuna

03-04-25, 11:46 AM

Ukraine should sit down at negotiating table and start dialog with Trump, - Vance

US Vice President J.D. Vance said that Ukraine should sit down at the negotiating table and start a dialogue with US leader Donald Trump.

He told this to Fox News journalists, Censor.NET reports.

"The president(Trump - ed.) was very clear about our policy toward Ukraine, that he wants Ukrainians to come to the negotiating table," Vance said.

He noted that the United States wants Ukrainians to have a sovereign and independent country. He also noted the bravery of Ukrainian soldiers.

However, according to Vance, neither Europe, nor the United States, nor Ukraine "can continue this war indefinitely."

"That's why it's important that everyone comes to the table, and the president is trying to send a very clear message. Ukrainians should sit down at the negotiating table and start negotiating with President Trump," the US Vice President said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539223

Ukraine is ready to sit down at negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace, - Zelenskyy

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has emphasized that Ukraine is committed to peace and is ready to "work quickly" to end the war.

The head of state wrote about this on the social network X, Censor.NET reports.

"None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to sit down at the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring a lasting peace closer. No one wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I are ready to work under the strong leadership of President Trump to achieve a lasting peace. We are ready to work quickly to end the war," the president said.

According to him, the first steps may include:

release of prisoners;
An immediate ceasefire in the skies: a ban on missiles, long-range drones, and bombing of energy and other civilian infrastructure;
an immediate truce at sea if Russia does the same.

Zelenskyy also emphasized that Ukraine wants to move quickly through all the next stages and agree on a "strong final agreement" with the United States.

"We really appreciate how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember that pivotal moment when President Trump granted Ukraine Javelinas. We are grateful for that," he said.

According to Zelenskyy, the meeting at the White House on February 28 "did not go as planned" and he is "sorry that it happened."

"It's time to do the right thing. We would like to see further cooperation and communication be constructive. As for the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it at any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step towards strengthening security and reliable security guarantees, and I sincerely hope that it will work effectively," the President summarized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539217

Jimbuna

03-04-25, 11:48 AM

Speaker Johnson: Halt in US military aid to Ukraine is "temporary pause"

Speaker of the US House of Representatives Mike Johnson said that the suspension of military aid to Ukraine is a "temporary pause".

He said this at a press conference of the Republicans, Censor.NETreports citing Suspilne.

Johnson also noted that Kyiv and Washington should sign an agreement on minerals, and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy should "fix what happened last week."

"I believe this is the best deal that can be offered, and it will help the Ukrainian people," Johnson said.

Suspension of US aid
On the morning of March 4, it became known that US President Donald Trump had ordered the suspension of all US military aid to Ukraine in order to force Kyiv to demonstrate a "good faith commitment" to peace.

One U.S. official told CNN that the consequences of the suspension of U.S. military aid will be felt in some time. Perhaps a few days or weeks. However, as soon as the stockpiles of weapons and armaments begin to run out, the country will face serious consequences.

According to journalist Ostap Yarysh, the US decision to suspend assistance to Ukraine will primarily affect the supply of missiles to air defense and ammunition for HIMARS and artillery.

Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tahkna emphasized that the US decision to temporarily suspend military aid to Ukraine means that Europe must help Ukraine more and faster than before to fill this gap.

The Economist article says that the US decision to suspend aid to Ukraine will lead to more casualties and destruction. The critical elements, the newspaper writes, are weapons, their repair, air defense missiles, the Starlink system, and, perhaps most importantly, intelligence sharing.

Chief National Security Advisor to Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda, Marius Česnulevičius, said that Washington's decision to suspend military aid to Ukraine was not a surprise. However, Europe is preparing a response.

Later, The Economist wrote that there is currently no official order from Donald Trump to suspend military aid to Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539221

Dargo

03-04-25, 04:27 PM

Starlink rival in talks to boost satellite services to UkraineEutelsat said it was in talks with European governments about providing additional satellite connectivity in Ukraine, as investors bet that the French satellite operator could replace Elon Musk’s Starlink in the country. Eutelsat, the owner of OneWeb, a rival to Starlink, said on Tuesday that it was “actively collaborating with European institutions and business partners”, adding that it had equipment that could be “deployed swiftly in Ukraine to connect the most critical missions and infrastructures”. Ukraine has relied heavily on Starlink for its military campaigns as it has played a critical role in improving its communications on the battlefield, but there are fears this could be under threat after the US suspended military aid to Kyiv on Monday.

Shares in Eutelsat soared as much as 123 per cent to €4.50 before easing back to trade up 70 per cent, as investors bet that European leaders’ efforts to support Ukraine and shoulder more of the burden for its security would boost demand for the group’s services.
The shares remain far below the more than €10 they were trading at before Eutelsat announced its acquisition of OneWeb in 2022.
US officials have raised the possibility of cutting Ukraine’s access to Starlink’s satellite system, Reuters reported last week. Musk, Starlink’s billionaire owner and a key adviser to US President Donald Trump, said in a tweet that the story was false.

Eutelsat said its talks with European governments were focused on using a combination of its satellite constellations — OneWeb at about 1,200km above the earth and the Geo satellites at 35,000km — to strengthen satellite connectivity in Ukraine and the Black Sea region.
Both are capable of providing connectivity for Ukrainian drones, which have inflicted serious damage on Russian forces. Some military experts believe any large concentration of Russian troops or tanks would be decimated by Ukrainian drone attacks. https://archive.ph/H6IzP

Reece

03-05-25, 01:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYevDq-J_ZA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kMCCoZPbmk

Reece

03-05-25, 01:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyEeCKIBfmc

Raf1394

03-05-25, 02:10 AM

Everybody knows the war will end with Russian victory.
I think the Russians will mount a new offensive in a few days weeks if there is no agreement. EU is too late with investing in there own armies for helping Ukraine.

The EU is starting to invest in there own military, because they know Ukraine is gonna lose. The EU wants to be prepared incase Russia wants a bit more of Europe in the future...

You just feel and see that the Ukrainian cause is gonna end in defeat. Russia also is in a bad situation, but they got the better cards. They can say "surrender now, or we will take more land"

The situation now changed completly when the US stopped the support. I also got a feeling a lot of Ukranians or parts of the Ukrainian army will be pissed off at Zelensky. Especially when he signs the natural resourse deal with the US. (A defeat and losing 5% of Ukranian territory) together with the natural resource deal, will piss of a lot of people in Ukraine.

I feel after the war, massive protests and internal fighting will occur in Ukraine. And Russia will.keep supporting the anti-Zelensky movements.

Thats what i think will happen...

Eichhörnchen

03-05-25, 04:23 AM

^ Sounds likely, unfortunately - especially if no deal is signed with Donny

Skybird

03-05-25, 04:45 AM

^ Ukraine looses even if a deal is signed with Donny.

Ukraine never got sufficient quantities of weapons and ammo to have a chance to really beat the Russians, it was only enough to keep the war burning: too little to win, too much to die.

And they have a personnel problem. The Russian have one, too, but its easier for them to work around it. And they have much higher supplies.

It will end with huge territorial losses for Ukraine, losses of much ground ressources, agriculktural farmland, and many of their cities annihilated.

“Just survived” is not the definition of ‘victory’ in my eyes. It means nothing more than “just survived”.

After the war comes a demographic desaster to Ukraine. Many refugees, for exampel the huge majority of those in Germany, do not wish to return to Ukraine. Almost one quarter of the original population has fled the country when Russia attacked. Ukraine was a bit short in males already before the war, now its even worse with many men being dead, and many of those who survived being traumatized.

No way to think in terms of a Ukrainian victory here. A reinterpretation of the facts on the ground is not possible here.

The Russians pay a much higher price than initially expected, but they will go home with a big chunk of cake. And this fact also is not available to reinterpretation.

Whatever the Europeans will try now - its (once again) too little, too late.

Reece

03-05-25, 06:26 AM

. . . and the good news just keeps coming!! :doh::roll:

Eichhörnchen

03-05-25, 07:19 AM

We should've stayed down the pub

Skybird

03-05-25, 08:01 AM

Skybird

03-05-25, 09:52 AM

US has stopped sharing intelligence with Ukraine. As predicted.

Rockstar

03-05-25, 10:05 AM

There is something positive. Or not.

German media are reporting on a report by a German geological evaluation of rare earth deposits in Ukraine, which came to the conclusion that there are actually none in Ukraine that could be exploited in an economically viable way. So if Zelenskyi signed a deal in this regard, Trump would be annoyed sooner or later. :D

But Zelenskyi would also have been too happy, because one can assume that the moment the Americans realize that there is nothing for them, they would immediately shelve any commitments based on it, and Ukraine, for its part, would be left without the fulfillment of American commitments for this deal, whatever therse commitments may have been.

It is - complicated... :haha:

I gotta ask what is Germany’s expertise in mining rare earth material? Last I looked top rare earth mining companies are from Australia, Canada, China, Inner Mongolia, Malaysia and the United Stated of America. It’s not like everyone just found out yesterday Ukraine has these materials. If it wasn’t economically feasible don’t you think we would have heard much sooner?

MaDef

03-05-25, 10:06 AM

US has stopped sharing intelligence with Ukraine. As predicted.

Maybe the BND can pick up the slack.

Rockstar

03-05-25, 10:12 AM

US has stopped sharing intelligence with Ukraine. As predicted.

“Trump had a real question about whether President Zelensky was committed to the peace process, and he said let’s pause,” Ratcliffe told Fox Business’ Maria Bartiromo in an interview on Wednesday.

“I want to give a chance to think about that and you saw the response that President Zelensky put out,” Ratcliffe added, “So I think on the military front and the intelligence front, the pause that allowed that to happen, I think will go away.

I think will go away too.

Jimbuna

03-05-25, 10:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anJH6JAmHDg

Jimbuna

03-05-25, 10:45 AM

Since beginning of 2025, Russian losses in Ukraine have reached 90 thousand people - British intelligence

Since the beginning of 2025, the total losses of the Russian army in Ukraine have amounted to about 90 thousand soldiers killed and wounded,

This is stated in a review of British intelligence published by the British Ministry of Defense, Censor.NET reports.

British intelligence cites data from the Ukrainian General Staff, according to which the average daily number of Russian troop casualties in February 2025 was 1,255, the lowest since August 2024. The total number of Russian casualties in February 2025 was 35,140, which is 13 thousand less than in January.

As noted, over the entire period of the war, Russia has probably lost about 875,000 military personnel.

Experts attribute the decrease in casualties to the slowdown in Russian offensive operations. British intelligence predicts that in March 2025, the number of Russian casualties could remain at the level of 1,000 people per day if infantry attacks continue on several fronts. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539424

Dutch PM Schoof and Zelenskyy discussed €700 million investment package for UAVs

Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof had a telephone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, during which the parties discussed, among other things, a €700 million investment package in UAVs.

According to Censor.NET, Schoof wrote about this on the social network X.

"It is now important to talk to President Zelenskyy about the developments in Ukraine after the meeting in London. We discussed, among other things, the Dutch investment package of 700 million euros in drones, partly aimed at the Ukrainian defense industry," the post reads.

Schoof also noted that the Netherlands continues to support Ukraine in its fight against Russian aggression.

"Therefore, I emphasized that the Netherlands will continue to provide political, military, financial and moral support," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539445

Macron does not plan trip to Washington with Zelenskyy and Starmer - Elysee Palace

French President Emmanuel Macron does not intend to visit Washington together with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer,

This is reported by Le Figaro, Censor.NET informs.

This statement came after a comment by French government spokeswoman Sophie Prima, who noted that such a trip was "under consideration."

Later, however, the Elysee Palace clarified that there are currently no plans for Macron to visit Washington. It should be noted that the issue of possible visits was at the center of the discussion in the context of international politics and the events surrounding the war in Ukraine.

Earlier, the Daily Mail reported that Macron and Keir Starmer are ready to travel to Washington, D.C., with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy next week to present a plan to resolve the war in Ukraine to Mr. Trump.

British Prime Minister Starmer said that the United Kingdom, France and other countries will work with Ukraine on a plan to end the war. France and Britain intend to discuss this plan with the United States. Subsequently, it became known that Macron and Starmer proposed to establish a one-month ceasefire in Ukraine "in the air, at sea, and in energy."

British Armed Forces Minister Luke Pollard said that "no agreement" had been reached between France and Britain on the ceasefire proposal in Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539417

Dargo

03-05-25, 02:33 PM

Oleksandr Syrskyi, Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief on the Dynamics of the WarDiscussions about potential negotiations impact the military, as they do everyone. However, our task is to stay focused and not succumb to weakness. We are conducting active defence, particularly in sectors where the enemy has a numerical advantage, such as the Pokrovsk area, where Russian forces have outnumbered us 4.5 to 1. Notably, Russia expended more resources in 2024 than the previous two years (2022-2023) combined. Initially, Russian tactics were predictable. However, in 2024, they replaced their entire command structure, and unfortunately, this led to more creative and adaptive operations. At times, they managed to catch us off guard by rapidly deploying reserves and exploiting both our successes and setbacks on the battlefield. Operational efficiency—they executed their plans precisely, regardless of the conditions or circumstances. If a senior officer made a decision, that plan was strictly followed.

They now employ small assault groups, a tactic first used by the Wagner Group. This was uncommon for us initially, as in 2022, they advanced with entire battalions or battalion echelons. This is a defining characteristic of modern warfare, especially in the context of widespread drone deployment of various types. We are now in an era of new-generation warfare, with a key feature being the use of small assault groups. So, what should we do? First and foremost, we must effectively counter enemy drones. Currently, drones—particularly those with fibre-optic control—pose the greatest threat. We are implementing the necessary measures and developing counterstrategies. We are developing intercepting drones with various types of weapons, including so-called "net shooters" and drones with 12mm calibres that physically destroy enemy drones. These drones use artificial intelligence to automatically lock onto or destroy targets, either through direct collision or detonation. So, there are already solutions to this problem.

Throughout the war, the armed forces have reached a point where they are undergoing reorganization—not a reform, but a structural transition. The shift to a corps-based system will streamline command structures while establishing permanent corps-level units and leadership bodies. This transformation will enable corps commanders to conduct independent operations, ensuring self-sufficiency in specific frontline or defensive sectors. This is a positive and necessary step—something long worked toward. Temporary command structures and ad hoc leadership teams often result in frequent personnel changes, bringing in officers with varying experiences and skill sets. This creates a disconnect between commanders and their forces, weakening their understanding of unit dynamics. As a result, some decisions may lack a solid foundation due to unfamiliarity with the unique strengths, limitations, and operational nuances of the units under their command.

Read full text on Substack - Russia Analysed. https://russiaanalyzed.substack.com/p/oleksandr-syrskyi-ukrainian-commander

mapuc

03-05-25, 04:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXt05gUz4Y&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

Skybird

03-05-25, 04:40 PM

[FOCUS] It's hard to keep up: On Friday, the new US President Donald Trump and his Vice President J.D. Vance humiliated Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in front of the cameras. The planned raw materials agreement between the USA and Ukraine was not signed.

Zelensky flew straight on to London, where a crisis summit was held on Sunday after the disaster in Washington. But Trump continued to grumble - and upped the ante. US media reported on Tuesday that the President had stopped all American military aid to Ukraine. This included weapons that were already in transit.

Many interpret this as a clear attempt at blackmail: Either Zelensky signs the raw materials agreement with the United States on Trump's terms - or he will be abandoned militarily. On Tuesday evening US time, Trump gave a speech to the US Congress. In the midst of this mixed situation, it was eagerly awaited, many assumed the worst. And then everything turned out completely differently.

In his speech, Trump struck a mild tone for his standards. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Selenskyj had declared his willingness to negotiate peace in a letter, he explained. "I appreciate that."

What Trump then quoted was very reminiscent of a post that Selenskyj had published on the social network X. "My team and I are ready to work under the strong leadership of President Trump to achieve lasting peace," the Ukrainian wrote to the White House. The raw materials agreement should now also be signed.

So everything is back to square one? The question inevitably arises as to whether the drama between Friday and Wednesday could have been avoided. But, as is so often the case, the devil is in the details. It is unclear, for example, what Selenskyj will get from Trump for his country's raw materials.

"My impression is that Zelensky wanted to put everything on the line and try again to get security guarantees for his country through," security expert Christian Mölling told the Tagesspiegel. "At the same time, he made it clear where his red line is. The current status is that Zelensky is willing to negotiate - but he hasn't signed anything yet."

It is currently impossible to say whether something different will come out of it for Trump than was the case on Friday. "So far, there is only this letter from Zelensky. We don't know what Trump will make of it and whether he will continue to blackmail Ukraine," says Mölling.

It is also unclear what Zelensky hopes to achieve by concluding the agreement on the second attempt. Is he speculating that the USA will reverse the halt to military aid? Or that his country will continue to receive intelligence information from Washington?

I suspect that the Americans will now simply put massive pressure on Zelensky to simply sign the deal; no matter what clauses are in it.

Only on Wednesday afternoon did it become known that this information sharing, which is so important for Kyiv, is currently suspended - possibly deliberately to make Selensky compliant.

"I think that the Americans will now simply put massive pressure on him to simply sign the deal; no matter what clauses are in it," says Mölling. "Trump has made his torture tools - from humiliation to stopping military aid - clear to Selensky."

In any case, it is questionable to what extent the Ukrainian president can still rely on his unpredictable American counterpart.

"The Trump administration argues that the American companies and workers who are moving to Ukraine for the raw materials deal represent American security guarantees," explains the expert. "But how do we know that in the event of a Russian attack, Trump will not simply fly out all the Americans and Ukraine will end up alone again?"

Klemens Fischer, Professor of International Relations at the University of Cologne, sees last Friday's scandal in the White House and the entire aftermath as a production for the American people. "Trump has shown his voters that Ukraine and especially Selenskyi are supposedly ungrateful and that the Biden administration acted to the detriment of the American people," he says.

Selenskyi is now president by Trump's grace - and the American likes that.

For now, Zelenskyj's conciliatory message on X has probably appeased Trump a little, Fischer believes. Trump accepts Zelenskyi's kneeling as a first step. "He is happy with the image that emerges: Zelenskyi is being disciplined by Trump in front of the world public and has to meet Trump's requirements." At the same time, the scientist emphasizes: "As soon as If Zelenskyi becomes recalcitrant in Trump's eyes, the next humiliating disciplinary action follows. For now, a compliant Zelenskyi is more valuable to Trump because he has publicly forced him to his knees. Zelenskyi is now president by Trump's grace - and the American likes that."

The whole drama was only able to unfold in this way because European states have not had a clear course in recent months, says Fischer.

"It was only the Starmer initiative that untied the knot, with a 'coalition of the willing' neutralizing the expected blockade in the EU." But he adds directly: "Whether Trump's plan works depends above all on one person - and that is Putin."

Catfish

03-05-25, 04:42 PM

^ And Putin will do what he ever did. Welcome all free gifts, and continue with his plan.

We should've stayed down the pub
Like you proposed and a friend of mine said, you can only endure all this with lots of alcohol. Which is of course a bit cynical, when looking at the suffering in Ukraine.
Indeed we have been busy here, some friends and I have been to Ukraine delivering goods of all kinds in vans, also we are active again in the 'Reservistenverband'. Even have been on the shooting range again, if more for sports. Some new weapons, but not necessarily better. And of course we are getting too old too fast.

Still, this new overall situation makes you sick of course :-?

Skybird

03-05-25, 04:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXt05gUz4Y&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus
So Ukraine now needs to fight Russia, North Korea, the United States, and China?

:o

"Viel Feind, viel Ehr'."

Skybird

03-05-25, 04:48 PM

Indeed we have been busy here, some friends and I have been to Ukraine delivering goods of all kinds in vans, also we are active again in
I figured something like that from some random comments of yours here and there. Respect!

mapuc

03-05-25, 04:54 PM

So Ukraine now needs to fight Russia, North Korea, the United States, and China?

:o

"Viel Feind, viel Ehr'."

I was imagine American boots on the ground, not helping Ukraine, but Russia, when I saw the video.

Markus

Rockstar

03-05-25, 06:02 PM

https://i.ibb.co/3mVHQ20D/IMG-1460.jpg

Here’s the full transcript of Macron’s speech:

“Inknow that you are legitimately concerned about the historic events that are shaking up the world order.

The war in Ukraine, which has resulted in almost a million deaths and injuries, continues unabated.

The United States of America, our ally, has changed its position on this war, supporting Ukraine less and leaving doubt as to what will happen next.

At the same time, the same United States intends to impose tariffs on products from Europe.

Finally, the world continues to grow ever more brutal, and the threat of terrorism continues unabated. All in all, our prosperity and security have become more uncertain.

It has to be said that we are entering a new era. The war in Ukraine has now been going on for more than three years. From day one, we decided to support Ukraine and sanction Russia.

And we were right to do so, because it is not only the Ukrainian people who are courageously fighting for their freedom, but it is also our security that is under threat. If one country can invade its neighbour in Europe with impunity, then no one can be sure of anything any more, and the law of the strongest will apply, and peace can no longer be guaranteed on our own continent. History has taught us that.

Beyond Ukraine, the Russian threat is there, affecting the countries of Europe, affecting us. Russia has already turned the Ukrainian conflict into a global conflict. It has mobilised North Korean soldiers and Iranian equipment on our continent, while helping these countries to further arm themselves.

President Putin's Russia violates our borders to assassinate opponents and manipulates elections in Romania and Moldova.

It is organising digital attacks on our hospitals to stop them operating. Russia is trying to manipulate our opinions with lies spread on social networks.

And basically, it's testing our limits. It does so in the air, at sea, in space and behind our screens. This aggression seems to know no bounds, and at the same time Russia continues to rearm, spending over 40% of its budget on it.

By 2030, it plans to have increased its army still further, with 300,000 more soldiers, 3,000 more tanks and 300 more fighter planes.

Against this backdrop, who can believe that the Russia of today will stop at Ukraine?

As I speak and for years to come, Russia has become a threat to France and to Europe. I deeply regret this and I am convinced that in the long term there will be peace on our continent with Russia once again at peace.

But this is the situation I am describing to you, and we have to live with it. Faced with this dangerous world, it would be foolish to remain a spectator.

Without further delay, we must take decisions for Ukraine, for the safety of the French, for the safety of Europeans.

First and foremost for Ukraine. All the initiatives that are helping to bring about peace are moving in the right direction. And this evening I would like to pay tribute to them.

We must continue to help the Ukrainians to resist until they can negotiate with Russia a solid peace for themselves and for us all. That is why the road to peace cannot involve abandoning Ukraine. Quite the contrary.

Peace cannot be achieved at any price and under Russian dictatorship. Peace cannot be Ukraine's capitulation. It cannot be its collapse.

Nor can it mean a ceasefire that is too fragile. And why not? Because here too we have the experience of the past. We cannot forget that Russia began invading Ukraine in 2014 and that we then negotiated a ceasefire in Minsk.

And the same Russia did not respect that ceasefire. And we have not been able to maintain the balance due to a lack of solid guarantees. Today, we can no longer take Russia at its word.

Ukraine has a right to peace and security for itself. And it is in our interest, it is in the interest of the security of the European continent. That is why we are working with our British and German friends and several other European countries.

That's why you've seen me bring several of them together in Paris in recent weeks, and meet them again in London a few days ago to consolidate the commitments that Ukraine needs.

Once peace has been signed, we need to prepare Ukraine so that it is not invaded by Russia again. This will undoubtedly involve long-term support for the Ukrainian army.

It may also involve deploying European forces. These forces would not go and fight today, they would not go and fight on the front line, but they would be there once the peace has been signed to ensure that it is fully respected.

Next week, in Paris, we will be bringing together the Chiefs of Defence Staff of those countries that wish to assume their responsibilities in this respect.

This is a plan for a solid, lasting and verifiable peace, which we have prepared with the Ukrainians and several other European partners, and which I defended in the United States a fortnight ago and throughout Europe.

And I want to believe that the United States will remain at our side, but we must be ready if this is not the case.

Whether or not peace in Ukraine is achieved quickly, given the Russian threat that I have just described to you, the European states must be able to defend themselves better and deter any further aggression.

Yes, whatever happens, we need to equip ourselves more, we need to raise our defence posture, and we need to do this for peace itself, to act as a deterrent.

In this respect, we remain committed to NATO and our partnership with the United States of America, but we need to do more, to strengthen our independence in terms of defence and security.

The future of Europe should not be decided in Washington or Moscow.

And yes, the threat is returning to the East and the innocence of the last thirty years, since the fall of the Berlin Wall, is now over.

Tomorrow in Brussels, at the Extraordinary Council meeting between the 27 Heads of State and Government, the Commission and the President of the Council, we will be taking decisive steps forward.

A number of decisions will be taken that France has been proposing for several years.

Member States will be able to increase their military spending without this being taken into account in their deficit.

Massive joint funding will be agreed to buy and produce some of the most innovative munitions, tanks, weapons and equipment in Europe.

I have asked the government to take action to ensure that this strengthens our armies as quickly as possible and speeds up the reindustrialisation of all our regions.

In the next few days, I will be meeting with the relevant ministers and industrialists in the sector.

The Europe of Defence that we have been advocating for eight years is therefore becoming a reality.

It means European countries that are more ready to defend and protect themselves, that produce together the equipment they need on their own soil, that are ready to cooperate more, to reduce their dependence on the rest of the world.

And that's a good thing. Germany, Poland, Denmark, the Baltic States and many of our partners have announced unprecedented efforts in terms of military spending.

So, in this time of action that is finally opening up, France has a special status.

We have the most effective army in Europe and, thanks to the choices made by our elders after the Second World War, we have nuclear deterrent capabilities.

This protects us much more than many of our neighbours.”

“What's more, we didn't wait for the invasion of Ukraine to realise that the world was a worrying place, and through the two military programming laws that I decided on and that successive Parliaments voted for, we will have doubled the budget for our armed forces in almost ten years.

But given the changing threats and the acceleration I have just described, we will have to make new budgetary choices and additional investments, which have now become essential.

I have asked the government to work on this as quickly as possible. These new investments will require the mobilisation of both private and public funding, without raising taxes.

This will require reforms, choices and courage. Our nuclear deterrent protects us. It is comprehensive, sovereign and French through and through.

Since 1964, it has explicitly played a role in preserving peace and security in Europe.

But in response to the historic appeal of the future German Chancellor, I have decided to open the strategic debate on the protection of our allies on the European continent by our deterrent.

Whatever happens, the decision has always been, and will remain, in the hands of the President of the Republic, the head of the armed forces.

Controlling our destiny, becoming more independent, is something we must work towards not only militarily, but also economically. Yes, economic, technological, industrial and financial independence are essential.

We must also prepare ourselves for the possibility that the United States may decide to impose tariffs on European goods, as it has just confirmed for Canada and Mexico.

This incomprehensible decision, both for the American economy and for ours, will have consequences for some of our industries.

It adds to the difficulty of the moment, but it will not go unanswered by us. So, while we prepare to fight back with our European colleagues, we will continue, as I did a fortnight ago, to do everything we can to convince them that this decision will hurt us all.

And, yes, I hope to convince and dissuade the President of the United States of America.

All in all, these are times that call for decisions unprecedented in many decades. When it comes to our agriculture, our research, our industry and all our public policies, we cannot have the same debates as in the past.

That's why I've asked the Prime Minister and his government, and I invite all the country's political, economic and trade union forces, to join with them in putting forward proposals in the light of this new context.

Tomorrow's solutions cannot be yesterday's habits. My dear compatriots, in the face of these challenges and these irreversible changes, we must not give in to any excesses, neither the excesses of the warmongers, nor the excesses of the defeatists.

France will follow only one course, that of the will for peace and freedom, faithful in this to its history and its principles.

Yes, this is what we believe in, for our security, but it is also what we believe in, to defend democracy, a certain idea of truth, a certain idea of free research, of respect in our societies, a certain idea of freedom of expression that is not the return of hate speech, basically, a certain idea of humanism. This is what we stand for and what is at stake.

Our Europe has the economic strength, the power and the talent to rise to the challenge of these times. And we have the means to take on the United States of America, let alone Russia. So we must act as one, as Europeans, and we must be determined to protect ourselves.

That's why our country needs you, and your commitment. Political decisions, military equipment and budgets are one thing, but they will never replace the fortitude of a nation. Our generation will no longer receive the dividends of peace.

It is up to us to ensure that our children reap the rewards of our commitments tomorrow. So we will face the future together.

Long live the Republic!

Long live France!”

Gorpet

03-05-25, 08:31 PM

^ And Putin will do what he ever did. Welcome all free gifts, and continue with his plan.

Like you proposed and a friend of mine said, you can only endure all this with lots of alcohol. Which is of course a bit cynical, when looking at the suffering in Ukraine.
Indeed we have been busy here, some friends and I have been to Ukraine delivering goods of all kinds in vans, also we are active again in the 'Reservistenverband'. Even have been on the shooting range again, if more for sports. Some new weapons, but not necessarily better. And of course we are getting too old too fast.

Still, this new overall situation makes you sick of course :-?

Where is your YT video ? Otherwise it didn't happen and no citizen socialist are getting anywhere close to real soldiers,where they might get a nipple in their forehead.But when you get to old to fast and to fat.It's Easier to wage war on a keyboard.

[QUOTE=Skybird;2946951]So Ukraine now needs to fight Russia, North Korea, the United States

Raf1394

03-05-25, 10:37 PM

I agree what Macron says.

But i don't always take those statements serious.
Most of the countries don't have a clean history. France also did some bad things in there past.

Countries or governments these days, only make public statements if the specific conflict is in there disadvantage.
There are also other wars/conflicts going on. But nobody talks about them.
The M23 rebels taking over Congo for example... Nobody cares about that.

Jemen conflict, doesn't has a lot of media attention.

Aktungbby

03-06-25, 01:20 AM

Poor M. Macron may well have cocluded that, 'Merika having come to beleagured France's aid in 1918 and 1941, the "third time will not be the charm" in WWIII...:oops::/\\chop:dead:

Eichhörnchen

03-06-25, 04:13 AM

Macron has rather put our own PM in the shade lately - I'm not complaining: he's talking tough. I don't know but it begins to look like a bit of a "good cop bad cop" thing emerging

Exocet25fr

03-06-25, 05:49 AM

Don't forget Lafayette.....!:yeah:

micron is lying, Russians aren't threat the Western Europe, the Western Europe threats Russians........!:D

French people in his majority doesn't want a war.......!:03:

Même pas peur.....!

Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Catfish

03-06-25, 06:07 AM

re Rockstar's quoted speech by Macron
Excellent speech, and Macron already said something similar a few years ago, which I welcomed. I was really astonished no other politician or else in Europe reacted in any way. Sure Macron and France have their own interest (whish is only legitimate) but chancellor Scholz just ducked and pretended not to hear it lol

Eichhörnchen

03-06-25, 06:28 AM

Moscow making threats now - they're getting the message

Exocet25fr

03-06-25, 06:35 AM

^
Now, of course!, after this new PROVOCATION !:yeah:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/top-russian-diplomat-says-moscow-sees-macron-s-nuclear-rhetoric-as-a-threat/3501697

Eichhörnchen

03-06-25, 07:06 AM

Not provocation - a promise of a commitment to self-defence

Skybird

03-06-25, 08:44 AM

Europe seems to be slowly waking up indeed . There is a growing number of voices even in politics that doubt the reliability of American arms deals and warn that Washington could deactivate key pillars of the European arsenal at the touch of a button if necessary. Not to mention the dependence on US satellites and IT communications and internet servers.

I would add: Windows. I have long seen Windows as a disguised weapon of American foreign policy. I was already suspicious about this in the days of Windows XP, and I am convicned since Windows Vista.

I bought a new (non-gaming) notebook a few days ago. Linux, of course.

Stay on your guard against America. Its no longer a friend and partner. And Trump just loves to play foul.

And another thought: what will the Eurpeans decide when Trump blackmails Ukraine into surrender to Russia and demands the Europeans to stop supporting it with arms and money, too? After all, Trump is now shamelessly representing the interests of his idol Vladimir and wants to serve Ukraine to his buddy on a silver platter.

Then we will see what Europe's recent tough words are actually worth, especially Starmer's. I'm not betting my life on them. We get out of the starting blocks now, it seems - but very, very late. Too late? Time will tell.

Jimbuna

03-06-25, 08:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA8-DT3viTE

Jimbuna

03-06-25, 08:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZAbdW3_xr8

Jimbuna

03-06-25, 09:17 AM

Not provocation - a promise of a commitment to self-defence

So is this the beginning of a contest to see who is taken most seriously between him and Two Tier?

I doubt Putin takes either of them all that seriously.

Jimbuna

03-06-25, 09:36 AM

Turkish peacekeepers may be sent to Ukraine if necessary – Defense Ministry

The Turkish Ministry of Defense has assessed the possibility of sending military personnel to Ukraine as part of a peacekeeping force.

This is reported by Milliyet, Censor.NET reports.

"The issue of participation in the mission, which has been raised in various media but has not yet been included in the conceptual framework, will be assessed jointly with all relevant parties if it is deemed necessary to establish regional stability and peace," said ministry spokesman Zeki Aktürk.

He noted that a just and lasting peace can be achieved through equal and fair representation of both sides.

"In this process, our country will continue to support all constructive initiatives aimed at establishing peace in the region, preserving the Black Sea as a sea of peace and rebuilding Ukraine. In addition, we are following the multidimensional diplomatic initiatives aimed at ending the war in close coordination with the relevant institutions of our country," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539643

US is destroying world order, - Zaluzhnyi

Ukraine's Ambassador to the UK, Valerii Zaluzhnyi, said that the United States is "destroying the world order".

According to Censor.NET, he was quoted by The Times.

The former head of the Armed Forces of Ukraine warned that NATO may cease to exist, and Russia will come for Europe.

"It is not just the axis of evil trying to revise the world order … The US is destroying the world order. It is obvious the White House has questioned the unity of the whole western world. And now Washington is trying to delegate the security issues to Europe without the participation of the US," he said in a speech at the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539634

Skybird

03-06-25, 09:42 AM

^ Its obvious that the Donaldists desoperatelky wna tto get rid of Zelenskyi after embarassing him has gotten too boring, most likely to install an obedient puppet of their own that they have full control over. Thats why I think they would oppose a preisndet Zalushnyi, this man does not give me the impresison he would ber servile to the US. I think Poroshenko would be their most preferred choice. Or an unknown Nobody.

Skybird

03-06-25, 10:39 AM

Trump ordered deactivating of HIMARS targetting systems.

Murderous azzhole. Why not firing Tomahawks and bombard Ukrainian soldiers directly!? Should Russia have all the fun all for itself?

Thats why we must stop buying American weapons. And must get rid of those we have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPKGbg16ulU

Eichhörnchen

03-06-25, 10:59 AM

Indeed we have been busy here, some friends and I have been to Ukraine delivering goods of all kinds in vans, also we are active again in the 'Reservistenverband'

I wondered where you kept disappearing to recently - I thought maybe you had a floozy :haha: Well done, mate - my reservist sell-by date passed long ago, although I told Moira the other day I might still be useful as a sniper

Jimbuna

03-06-25, 12:31 PM

Trump ordered deactivating of HIMARS targetting systems.

Now that sounds seriously vindictive in my bool if true :nope:

Exocet25fr

03-06-25, 12:34 PM

Fortunatly us, Frenchies, we build our own weapons and got Nuclear ones !:03:

Today we launched Ariane 6 with a French military spy satellite with success!:Kaleun_Applaud:

https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/space-ariane-rockets-satellites-military-r19069

Jimbuna

03-06-25, 12:35 PM

Peace in Ukraine cannot be determined by United States and Russia alone – China’s Special Envoy to EU Lu Shaye

China's Special Representative for European Affairs, Lu Shaye, said he was "shocked" by US President Donald Trump's attitude toward allies in Europe. He believes that a peace agreement for Ukraine should not be determined by the United States and Russia alone.

This is reported by the South China Morning Post, Censor.NET informs.

"If you look at how the Trump administration is pursuing a brazen and despotic policy towards Europe, doing this to its allies, then, frankly, from a European point of view, it is simply terrible," he said on March 5 on the sidelines of the annual session of the People's Political Consultative Conference.

Lu Shaye noted that European countries should reflect on Trump's behavior and compare his policies with those of China.

According to him, by comparing this, the EU will see that China's diplomatic approach is aimed at "peace, friendship, goodwill, and mutually beneficial cooperation."

Lu Shaye is convinced that the US negotiations with Russia are really aimed at resolving the full-scale war in Ukraine.

He emphasized that any peace process should include the recognition and participation of all stakeholders, including European countries.

"The various proposed solutions should be subject to equal discussion, not dictated by a select few," he added.

Earlier, US President Donald Trump received an "important letter" from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in which he assures him that Ukraine is ready to sit down at the negotiating table.

Meeting between Russia and the United States
On February 27, representatives of the United States and the Russian Federation met in Istanbul, Turkey. They agreed to hold another meeting in the near future. The date and place have not yet been determined. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3539674

Otto Harkaman

03-06-25, 12:39 PM

^x3 No! That's so provocative, shooting US missiles deep into Russian territory? What if the Russians were supplying missiles to the Mexican cartels and letting them target places within the US? Yeah that's why this needs to be toned down. One nuclear bomb going off over anybody's country is unimaginable.

Dargo

03-06-25, 12:58 PM

Malcolm Nance spent three decades in U.S. intelligence before taking up arms with UkraineÂ’s foreign legion to join the battlefield to liberate Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cjIggQwUHQ

Eutelsat Seeks to Oust Starlink in Ukraine as US Pulls BackFrench satellite operator Eutelsat Communications SA said talks with the European Union to replace Elon MuskÂ’s Starlink in Ukraine are intensifying as the US pulls back from its commitments there. Â“Everyone is asking us today, Â‘Can you replace the large number of terminals of Starlink in Ukraine,Â’ and we are looking at that,Â” Eutelsat Chief Executive Officer Eva Berneke said in an interview with Bloomberg TV on Thursday. The company is already working in Ukraine and has thousands of terminals there currently, but not all are on the network, Berneke said. It is in talks with suppliers to provide both military-grade and standard terminals and would need Â“a couple of monthsÂ” to provide 40,

Eichhörnchen

03-06-25, 01:08 PM

Now that sounds seriously vindictive in my bool if true :nope:

It would equate with joining the Russians to fight in the field - as saboteurs

Eichhörnchen

03-06-25, 01:13 PM

How can all this alienation of its neighbours, friends and former allies benefit the US? Trump has set about creating what might eventually become a resentful confederation, which no longer wants or needs them for anything - either materially or politically

Europe will survive this - one way or another - and when that day comes it will all have been to America's detriment

Dargo

03-06-25, 01:19 PM

Opposition leaders Ukraine against wartime electionsUkrainian opposition leaders Petro Poroshenko and Yulia Tymoshenko have spoken out against holding wartime elections. Their statements follow a report by news site Politico about consultations between their teams with US officials on the possibility of holding presidential elections in Ukraine soon (https://www.demorgen.be/oorlog-in-oekraine/wil-trump-tegenstanders-zelensky-aan-de-macht-helpen-geheime-gesprekken-gevoerd-met-politieke-rivalen~be22565b/). By law, elections cannot be held in Ukraine during martial law. That was declared after the Russian invasion in February 2022 and is still in force. Both opposition leaders confirmed contact with the US. Tymoshenko, who was previously prime minister, says her team is ‘negotiating with all our allies who are able to help achieve a lasting peace as soon as possible’. Before then, she rules out elections, as does former president Poroshenko. Poroshenko states that he was ‘always categorically opposed to holding elections during the war, and still is’. He claims there is a ‘lack of communication’ between governments in Ukraine and the United States, ‘which poses a risk to the state’.

Like Putin, Krasnov underestimate Ukraine and its people.

Dargo

03-06-25, 01:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j-aoi6DdW8

Jimbuna

03-06-25, 01:25 PM

Jimbuna

03-06-25, 01:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwIkwpMCTjM

Dargo

03-06-25, 02:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIBn8w0QsX8

Dargo

03-06-25, 04:12 PM

At the EU summit in Brussels, 26 of the 27 countries agreed on additional support for Ukraine. The agreement was reached without Hungary, Russia's ally. Concrete amounts were not yet mentioned. Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán had threatened beforehand not to agree to extra support for Ukraine, and not to sign a final declaration to that effect. The leaders of the other countries tried to convince him, but to no avail.

Slovak Prime Minister Fico had also expressed reservations beforehand, blaming Ukraine for no longer passing through Russian gas. Fico did eventually join the other EU leaders. On strengthening European defence, all 27 countries did agree. At issue is the plan launched by European Commission President Von der Leyen on Tuesday. At least €800 billion will be freed up over the next four years. The countries agree to sideline normal budgetary rules on the additional investment in defence. This is necessary because the future of a free and sovereign Europe is at stake, Von der Leyen wrote this week in an explanation of her plea.

Catfish

03-06-25, 04:19 PM

^
Now, of course!, after this new PROVOCATION !:yeah:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/top-russian-diplomat-says-moscow-sees-macron-s-nuclear-rhetoric-as-a-threat/3501697

This is not a 'provocation', this is a PROMISE :yep:

Rockstar

03-06-25, 04:22 PM

That is a very plausable outcome.

Who picks up the pieces when Trumps tenure is over?

The point we are trying make is Europe needs to do more to protect itself. So in my opinion the answer to your question who picks up the pieces is, you do. Because I think no matter who comes after Trump the expectation will be the same. There is no doubt in my military mind the world order IS changing and Europe needs to adjust like everyone else. When the most powerful nation in the world says you need you step up your game, you really, really, really need to take it seriously.

mapuc

03-06-25, 05:30 PM

The Danish Prime Minister earlier today-I will not overrule the possibility that we one day have nukes on Danish ground and taking part in developing nukes.

Markus

Rockstar

03-06-25, 05:58 PM

The Danish Prime Minister earlier today-I will not overrule the possibility that we one day have nukes on Danish ground and taking part in developing nukes.

Markus

https://i.ibb.co/ycYgZmRK/IMG-1473.jpg

Skybird

03-06-25, 06:00 PM

[FOCUS] The cessation of arms aid and the lack of US intelligence information are causing concern in Ukraine. But the US special envoy justifies this with a crude comparison. Instead, he has praise for Russia.

In a speech, the US special envoy for Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, compared the cessation of aid to Ukraine to hitting a stubborn animal. "It's like hitting a donkey on the nose with a two-by-four. You have their attention," said the ex-general at a discussion of experts at the "Council on Foreign Relations" on Thursday.

At the beginning of the week, the USA had stopped all military aid and civilian support for Ukraine. On Wednesday it was announced that the United States was also hardly passing on intelligence information to Ukraine and was therefore not passing on any target data for Ukraine's Himars missile launchers.

Kellogg also stated that the discussions with the Ukrainian leadership were similar to those with his two granddaughters. They would say, "Pop Pop, listen to me." "It's not that they didn't know what was coming. They got a stern warning. I told them and they were told last week," said the special envoy, referring to the scandal between US President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in the White House.

Kellogg explained that he had repeatedly urged Zelensky to sign the raw materials agreement between Ukraine and the USA. He stressed that US economic interests were a kind of security guarantee. "The reason he came to the White House was to sign a document that said this is how we are going to proceed - it is not signed," Kellogg said of Zelensky. "My position would be, and my personal belief would be, that you don't move forward until you have a signed document. Period."

Kellogg responded harshly to the moderator's objection that Zelenskyj was offering to sign it and was also prepared to do so on Friday during the scandal in the Oval Office: "There is a difference between offering to do it and actually doing it."

The special envoy also commented on Russia. The negotiations with Ukraine and Russia had gone differently. "Do we have a leaflet from the Russians and do we have a leaflet from the Ukrainians? The answers are yes and no," said Kellogg. Ukraine had been offered the mineral deal. "But they left here without anything," Kellogg continued in response to a question from a viewer who wanted to know whether it was unfair that the USA was exerting massive pressure on Ukraine but had not yet demanded anything from Russia. "I question your idea of who is more reasonable here."

The comments come after a series of threats and massive pressure from Washington towards Kiev. Just on Tuesday, Ukrainian President Zelenskyj stressed that no one wants peace more than the Ukrainians. But the president insists on security guarantees for his country. The USA, however, does not want to offer these.

Meanwhile, Russia rejected a temporary ceasefire in Ukraine on Thursday. The proposal, which was put forward primarily by Ukraine and France, to agree on a one-month pause in air and sea attacks was "absolutely unacceptable". This was stated by the spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, to journalists on Thursday.
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Sick.

MaDef

03-06-25, 07:23 PM

Ukrainian President Zelenskyj stressed that no one wants peace more than the Ukrainians. But the president insists on security guarantees for his country. The USA, however, does not want to offer these.

The U.S. just got out of 2 wars, one that lasted 8 years and the other 20 years, explain the upside to getting involved in a third war where we have no strategic or economic interest in who wins?

Skybird

03-06-25, 09:37 PM

https://youtu.be/1kYgmE6QZFw?si=ZyJNELi9NrlCLA96

mapuc

03-06-25, 10:40 PM

Otto Harkaman

03-06-25, 11:09 PM

https://youtu.be/qYK1PpNyWyU?si=OpmRpllhgiqU3ylo

Exocet25fr

03-07-25, 04:24 AM

https://www.agoravox.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L604xH418/ours_russe-2-da5b6.jpg

Shearwater

03-07-25, 05:09 AM

The U.S. just got out of 2 wars, one that lasted 8 years and the other 20 years, explain the upside to getting involved in a third war where we have no strategic or economic interest in who wins?

You very much do, only the current POTUS is too obtuse to see it, and those who do get either sidelined, ridiculed or publicly humiliated.

If Putin gets what he wants - what Trump is offering him, basically for free - do you think it will stop there?
Russia has strategically aligned itself with China, whom the current administration considers the greatest threat to US security. So if Russia benefits, China will benefit eventually. As of now, they already do by buying the oil and gas that used to go to Europe and now bolsters the Chinese and Indian economies.

It's in Russia's interest to have their hands free for anything whatever it is they want to do in Europe. Trump can offer Russia all he wants, but not even he will be able to prevent a Sino-Russian alliance from coming about, just because it's in those two countries interests, and their plans are much more long-term than the current situation in Ukraine or anywhere else.

Of course, it is a dog eat dog world, might makes right etc. - that's all correct and that's just the world we all live in. The problem is just that the current administration acts as if they are the first people ever to discover that truth.

Exocet25fr

03-07-25, 07:22 AM

Ukrainian Air Force confirms first combat use of French Mirage 2000-5F jets to intercept Russian cruise missiles.

https://armyrecognition.com/focus-analysis-conflicts/army/conflicts-in-the-world/russia-ukraine-war-2022/breaking-news-ukrainian-air-force-confirms-first-combat-use-of-french-mirage-2000-5f-jets-to-intercept-russian-cruise-missiles

Jimbuna

03-07-25, 08:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0l8zYiu64Y

Jimbuna

03-07-25, 08:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LckMTNVW6Q

Dargo

03-07-25, 12:44 PM

Dear peace dove,

It was a beautiful sight, how you gracefully cleaved through the sky for years, guarding the peace and harmony in our cosy corner of the world. Sadly, you were just shot out of the sky and this week I was constantly reminded of Â‘That pigeon is dead, sir.Â’ That eternal peace, surely that will be something, for in another universe in ours we still have to reckon with the possibility of war. With eat or be eaten.

It was a sweet illusion, notwithstanding. Millions of hippies and other dreamers since the 1960s have been combining poor body hygiene with an equally lame worldview. While individual man is still the same tinker as roughly fifty thousand years ago. A monkey with chops. Capable of the very best of Picasso, Bach, tartar sauce, the films of Woody Allen, but always equally willing to descend to new depths of torture, genocide. Very sometimes the most beautiful and the ugliest are condemned to cohabitation in the same person, as in the case of the priest who first consoles the widow in ch

Skybird

03-08-25, 07:24 AM

[FOCUS] According to BND chief Bruno Kahl, Russia wants to test the unity of the West - especially with regard to the NATO mutual assistance article. In Russia, there are considerations to test the reliability of Article 5, the president of the Federal Intelligence Service (BND) told Deutsche Welle. "We very much hope that this is not true and that we will not be embarrassed by it being tested, but we must assume that Russia wants to test us, to test the unity of the West," he said.

As a defense alliance, NATO relies on the principle of deterrence, and Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty is particularly relevant to this. It regulates the obligation to provide mutual assistance within the alliance and states that an armed attack against one or more allies is considered an attack against all.

According to Kahl, when Russia could test the mutual assistance article also depends on the course of the Ukraine war. If it comes to a halt earlier than 2029 or 2030, Russia will also be able to use its technical, material and personnel resources to create a threat against Europe sooner.

"And it may also be that a concrete threat, perhaps blackmail from the Russian side against the Europeans, will occur sooner than we previously calculated," said Kahl. "An early end to the war in Ukraine will enable the Russians to use their energy where they actually want it, namely against Europe."
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Seen this way, the Don is busy with preparing the way for the next big war and helping to accelerate its coming. Peace Noble Prize in reach for the Donny!

And it could very well be that then Russia and the US are united against the rest of Europe, if things in America continue to slide.

Skybird

03-08-25, 07:34 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/1RTySgtZ/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)
All such illustrations like this one by CNN show the same, that European and American donations, with material and military aid also being expressed in financial value, are roughly on similiar lkevels, and that the Don simply lies when he claims American share is three times as high as it actually is, and that the Europeans only do a fraction of it. Its a lie. Just one of so very many.

Scorpions sting. Birds fly. Fishes swim. Donald lies.

Jimbuna

03-08-25, 08:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOWtNxQDrxc

Jimbuna

03-08-25, 08:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_swr7t-5M

Dargo

03-08-25, 09:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVYvhzp02W8

MaDef

03-08-25, 09:29 AM

You very much do, only the current POTUS is too obtuse to see it, and those who do get either sidelined, ridiculed or publicly humiliated.

If Putin gets what he wants - what Trump is offering him, basically for free - do you think it will stop there?
Russia has strategically aligned itself with China, whom the current administration considers the greatest threat to US security. So if Russia benefits, China will benefit eventually. As of now, they already do by buying the oil and gas that used to go to Europe and now bolsters the Chinese and Indian economies.

It's in Russia's interest to have their hands free for anything whatever it is they want to do in Europe. Trump can offer Russia all he wants, but not even he will be able to prevent a Sino-Russian alliance from coming about, just because it's in those two countries interests, and their plans are much more long-term than the current situation in Ukraine or anywhere else.

Of course, it is a dog eat dog world, might makes right etc. - that's all correct and that's just the world we all live in. The problem is just that the current administration acts as if they are the first people ever to discover that truth.
LOL, those two countries have been pretty chummy since the end of the cold war, so that's not it.

Looking at it objectively, You Can't fault Putin for invading the Ukraine. NATO was a group of 12 countries in Western Europe at the end of WWII (keep in mind NATO was formed purely as a counter to Stalin), since then they've expanded East (towards Russia), and their membership stands at 32 countries. and to top it off, NATO is a purely military alliance.
You now have NATO actively encouraging another country right next door to Russia to join the alliance.

If I was sitting in Moscow, I probably done the same (or similar). By invading, the best case scenario is I have a large country with it's natural resources under my control, worst case, is I've caused enough damage and chaos, that that country will be unable to join NATO for at least a decade if ever.

You all want to paint Putin as evil (I can't say whether he is or not, the Russian people seem to put up with him), and blame him for everything, but when you get down to the root cause of this war, you'll see it is the fear (since WWII) the Europeans have of Russia. Putin may have started this war, but it was Europe that set it up. (just my 2¢)

Jimbuna

03-08-25, 09:40 AM

We need to rapidly increase defense production, - NATO Secretary General Rutte

Increasing the production of military equipment is necessary to ensure the security of the Alliance.

This was stated by NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Censor.NET reports with reference to UP.

"We will need to spend more money to ensure our own security. But we also need to rapidly increase our defense production on both sides of the Atlantic. For too long we have been producing too little," Rutte said.

According to Rutte, ammunition, ships, tanks, airplanes, as well as satellites and drones are needed.

Rutte said he had met with many defense company executives and urged them to respond to the growing demand. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3540043

Trump’s policies may lead to revival of "law of the jungle" in international relations - Chinese Foreign Ministry

In China's opinion, the policy of US President Donald Trump is returning the world to the "law of the jungle."

This was stated by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, Censor.NET reports with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

Wang Yi emphasized that the return to the principle of "America First" could lead to the revival of the "law of the jungle" in international relations.

The head of the Chinese Foreign Ministry emphasized that if each country puts its interests above all else, this will undermine international norms and cause chaos on the world stage.

"There are more than 190 countries in the world," the Chinese diplomat noted, adding that if all states rely only on force and selfishness, the weaker countries will be the first to suffer. This, in his opinion, will jeopardize the international order.

The statement was made against the backdrop of a political situation when the United States, under the leadership of Trump, is actively changing its foreign policy. Beijing, on the contrary, seeks to present itself as a stable partner and defender of international norms.

Wang Yi also sharply criticized Trump's actions to raise tariffs on Chinese imports, stressing that no country can simultaneously suppress China and maintain good relations with it. According to him, such an approach is not conducive to strengthening trust between countries and only worsens bilateral relations.

"A major country must abide by international obligations and not put selfish interests above principles," Wang Yi said, adding that China firmly opposes the politics of force and hegemony. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3540017

Jimbuna

03-08-25, 09:49 AM

Putin’s real goal is new world order, and I hope US doesn’t want it, - German intelligence chief

The real goal of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin is to create a new world order with the expansion of Russia's influence.

This opinion was expressed by the President of the Federal Intelligence Service of Germany Bruno Kahl, Censor.NET reports citing Ukrinform.

" Putin' s real goal is not only Ukraine, but also the new world order. To push back NATO's defense and expand Russia's sphere of influence in the West. Preferably without Americans in Europe. So far, only the Russians have wanted this. And we really hope that the Americans don't want it either," Kahl said.

According to the head of the BND, an early end to the war in Ukraine would allow the Russians "to use their energy where they really want it, namely against Europe."

He emphasized that Western intelligence services should increase cooperation to support Ukraine. Kahl noted that European intelligence services are working intensively to provide Ukraine with relevant information to strengthen its defense capabilities.

At the same time, the BND president expressed concern about the current geopolitical situation and the consequences of the rapprochement between the United States and Russia. "I am particularly concerned about the overall situation in the world. The war that Russia is waging against Ukraine is a central theme. But there is hardly any conflict whose assessment is not changed by the new administration in Washington," said Kahl.

The German intelligence chief also emphasized the importance of transatlantic cooperation and expressed confidence that intelligence sharing with the United States would continue despite recent political developments. "Intelligence services around the world are working very intensively together to ward off international threats, especially from Islamic terrorism. Each country depends on the help of the other. No country alone can cover all threats," he said.

When asked about Germany's dependence on U.S. intelligence, Kahl said: "We depend on the help of our friends across the Atlantic just as much as they depend on ours. The exchange of information that can save lives will continue." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3540031

EU rearmament slowed by dispute between France and Germany - Financial Times

The allocation of 150 billion euros for the EU’s defense industry has become a new flashpoint in a long-standing dispute between France and Germany over Europe’s rearmament program.

This is reported by the Financial Times, Censor.NET reports with reference to ZN.ua.

Last week, the European Commission proposed raising 150 billion euros to be lent to EU capitals to boost defense production. While the idea has received unanimous political support, the details are still being worked out, including active lobbying on whether the funds could be spent on weapons produced outside the EU.

During a summit of European leaders on March 6, several heads of state, including German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, said the initiative should be open to like-minded partners who are not EU members.

"It is very important for us that the projects that can be supported under this initiative are open to countries that are not members of the European Union but work closely with it, such as the United Kingdom, Norway, Switzerland, or Turkey," Scholz said.

However, French President Emmanuel Macron, who has long advocated for greater European autonomy and the promotion of domestic industrial production, has said that "expenditure should not be spent on new off-the-shelf kits that are once again non-European."

Regarding the gaps in critical capabilities for Europe — including air defense, long-range strikes, and reconnaissance, among others — "the method is to identify the best businessmen and companies that we have," the president added. Macron also said that each EU member state would be asked to "review the orders to see if European orders can be prioritized."

Diplomats in Brussels are concerned that the €150 billion initiative will be thwarted by the same argument that has delayed a deal on the European Defence Industrial Programme, a €1.5 billion fund of defence grants, for more than a year. Efforts to implement the initiative stalled this winter after Paris demanded a cap on the amount of money that could be spent on components from outside the EU and a ban on products with intellectual property protection from third countries.

Senior European Commission officials, tasked with preparing a detailed proposal within the next ten days, have been urged to work closely with Paris, Berlin, and other EU capitals to ensure the initiative is not blocked when it comes up for approval.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the loans, which will target seven key areas, including air and missile defence, artillery and drones, will "help member states pool demand and buy together" and ensure "the immediate provision of military equipment to Ukraine."

The Polish government, which currently holds the rotating EU presidency and is tasked with chairing the bloc’s ministerial meetings, will be under pressure to conclude a deal as quickly as possible. The initiative could be approved by a majority of the 27 EU countries, but France’s participation is seen as essential.

"We are at a stage where this needs to be decided for the sake of speed, not perfection. But if it was difficult to push through €1.5 billion because of French objections, how should we do it with €150 billion?" said an EU diplomat involved in the negotiations. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3540028

Shearwater

03-08-25, 08:18 PM

LOL, those two countries have been pretty chummy since the end of the cold war, so that's not it.

That doesn't contradict my point. My point is - if you help one, you're helping the other. You see the connection, I see the connection, but Trump apparently does not. If he identifies China as the potential future enemy, helping Russia (even if it is by doing nothing) is eventually not in his best interest.

Looking at it objectively, You Can't fault Putin for invading the Ukraine. NATO was a group of 12 countries in Western Europe at the end of WWII (keep in mind NATO was formed purely as a counter to Stalin), since then they've expanded East (towards Russia), and their membership stands at 32 countries. and to top it off, NATO is a purely military alliance.
You now have NATO actively encouraging another country right next door to Russia to join the alliance.

The thing is though, nobody forced them to join NATO (which isn't even possible). They joined happily themselves, and in order to do so, every single member - including the US of A - had to agree. It's a fault shared by all the NATO members that were willing to expand the alliance eastwards.

If I was sitting in Moscow, I probably done the same (or similar). By invading, the best case scenario is I have a large country with it's natural resources under my control, worst case, is I've caused enough damage and chaos, that that country will be unable to join NATO for at least a decade if ever.

You all want to paint Putin as evil (I can't say whether he is or not, the Russian people seem to put up with him), and blame him for everything, but when you get down to the root cause of this war, you'll see it is the fear (since WWII) the Europeans have of Russia. Putin may have started this war, but it was Europe that set it up.

Oh, I certainly agree with you on this one. Putin, for all his brutal methods, is acting in a calculated and ultimately rational way. He is not a madman.
A friend of mine once said that what the West doesn't get is the enormous Russian desire for security. They lost 20 million people, and it's something they vow never to repeat. After WW2, they at least got Eastern Europe as their sphere of influence - with the GDR reuniting with Western Germany and most of the Central Eastern European states joining NATO, it makes sense that, from a Russian perspective, they were cheated out of winning WW2.

Hence, it makes perfect sense to create a buffer zone, even if that buffer zone is a bombed and contaminated wasteland.

At the same time, the parts that once were the Soviet Union still draw their own conclusions based on her past beahvior towards them and feel threatened by Russia - and if their current behavior is any indication, I'd say rightly so. There was a reason they joined NATO, and there is a reason Russia is attacking Ukraine. Everybody feels like the other is a threat.

Sorry if this is a bit rambling, incoherent or veering this threat off topic. There were some points though I wanted to share on the matter.

Otto Harkaman

03-08-25, 09:08 PM

https://youtu.be/E05yCNFfSlA?si=SCy2DDJE3LqwwCU0

Reece

03-09-25, 12:25 AM

What a load of poop!! :timeout:

Ostfriese

03-09-25, 04:01 AM

https://i.ibb.co/SDRmt4k5/Unbenannt.jpg

2021 vs 2025.

Reece

03-09-25, 04:56 AM

Amazing what worry can do to a person! :oops:

Skybird

03-09-25, 07:02 AM

Elon Musk blatantly and openly threatens Ukraine with the shutdown of Starlink. That would bring down their entire front, he said.

Furthermore, according to Musk, Ukraine's total defeat is inevitable. Well, for other reasons, namely the never sufficient supply of ammunition and weapons and the endless limitations of their operational powers, I have been saying somehtign similar for two years: too little to win, too much to die. That is Biden's and Scholzen's fault with their endless hesitations and limitations. In the first 12 months, they have screwed up and messed things up through and through. But unlike Musk, that doesn't make me rejoice , it makes me angry, and I'm not a smug pig like Musk either, calling the complete submission that Trump is de facto demanding a “peace”.

The deadliest poisonous snakes in the world do not live in Australia, as is often claimed, but in Washington.

Meanwhile reports from the Kursk region suggest that the Ukrainians are rapidly loosing ground. Their logistical situation is described to be desperate from bloggers of both sides, and Russia has pushed attacks and made several surprising offensive manouvers that pushed Ukrainians with their backs to the wall. If Kyiv hoped to keep Kurks at a bargaining chip at the negotiaton desk - it cannot be sure anymore to keep it.

In recent two weeks, Ukrainian morale is said to have suffered serious drops along the total frontline. They had to keep the Russians away, which was already tough in itself, but now they also must handle them Americans trying to stab them from behind, the active American support for and siding with the Russians seems to be the one drop that will cause the barrel to burst rather than overflow. Europe to the rescue - will be far too late.

August

03-09-25, 09:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhTjj_2Nldc

mapuc

03-09-25, 09:15 AM

Jimbuna

03-09-25, 09:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uWUJXnmXuw

Jimbuna

03-09-25, 09:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8a5V0EHCm0

MaDef

03-09-25, 10:37 AM

Elon Musk blatantly and openly threatens Ukraine with the shutdown of Starlink. That would bring down their entire front, he said.
Looky there,... A statement lifted from a larger conversation in order to use it for propaganda purposes in a pathetic attempt to paint the U.S. as siding with Russia. Does that crap actually work over there in Europe? You guys keep operating your foreign policy on wishful thinking, and you'll find yourselves on the outside looking in when reality smacks you upside the head. :yeah:

Jimbuna

03-09-25, 10:47 AM

EU will continue to refuse Russian gas, - von der Leyen

The EU will continue to implement the plan to abandon Russian gas to achieve energy independence from Russia.

This was stated by the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen, Censor.NET reports citing The Guardian.

She emphasized the need to avoid possible loopholes to circumvent sanctions.

According to her, the European Union remains committed to the plan to completely cut off Russian gas supplies.

Speaking in Brussels, she emphasized the importance of gradually phasing out Russian energy, noting that it is "absolutely necessary" to ensure the EU's energy independence.

"We have made progress, but we always see, of course, that there are loopholes that we have to be careful with and work on," von der Leyen added, pointing to the need for further work to ensure the effectiveness of sanctions against Russia. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3540165

Decision on EU’s role in peace agreement will be found in cooperation with Ukraine, - von der Leyen

The decision on security guarantees from the European Union in a future peace agreement for Ukraine will be found in close cooperation with the Ukrainian side.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said this at a press conference in Brussels on Sunday, answering journalists' questions about whether Ukraine has an accurate idea of what Europe can provide in any peace agreement ahead of the talks in Saudi Arabia next week, Censor.NET reports citing Interfax-Ukraine.

As you know, one of the elements of US President Donald Trump' s position on securing peace for Ukraine is that security guarantees should be provided by European countries.

Von der Leyen stated that the relationship with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his team is "very close, and based on trust that has grown over the past three years.

We've been through some difficult and delicate situations, so we know that we can rely on each other in a crisis or emergency, and that we can find a solution in most cases. Not always, but in most cases we find solutions by working very, very closely together," she explained the state of relations with Kyiv.

The President of the European Commission expressed hope that the negotiations between Kyiv and Washington would lead to a just and lasting peace.

"For example, negotiations on security guarantees. The strongest guarantee of security, of course, would be NATO membership, but at the moment it is impossible. Then the second element, the most important one, is a well-equipped, functioning Ukrainian army and armed forces. And then we can move on to the details. So, we have a lot of very fruitful discussions and, as I say in English, it is a normal learning process also because again, these are uncharted waters and we have to find the best solution together," von der Leyen explained.

Commenting on French President Emmanuel Macron's proposal to extend a "nuclear umbrella" to interested EU countries, the President of the European Commission stated that this issue is a national competence of the countries. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3540151

Jimbuna

03-09-25, 10:59 AM

We have to get stronger - Merz wants to discuss with Britain and France joint use of their nuclear weapons

Probable future German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said that he would like to hold talks with France and the UK on the joint use of their nuclear weapons. At the same time, he added that the nuclear umbrella of France and Britain should be a "complement" to the existing US nuclear shield.

Merz said this in an interview with Deutschlandfunk, The Guardian quoted him as saying, Censor.NET reports.

"The sharing of nuclear weapons is an issue we need to talk about... We have to become stronger together in the area of nuclear deterrence," said the likely next German Chancellor.

The politician added that it is necessary to talk to both France and Britain.

Merz also emphasized that the nuclear weapons of Britain and France should be a complement to the American nuclear shield, which Germany would like to preserve.

Defense of Europe by nuclear weapons of Britain and France
Earlier it was reported that French President Emmanuel Macron said he had decided to start discussions with EU leaders on the protection of the European continent by French nuclear weapons.

The leaders of Poland and Denmark have said they are open to French President Emmanuel Macron's proposal to discuss how France's nuclear deterrent could protect Europe. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3540162

United States announced termination of support for Ukrainian F-16s. They may be replaced by French Mirage 2000 - Forbes

The administration of U.S. President Donald Trump has cut off critical support for jamming systems for the Ukrainian Air Force, which could significantly weaken its air defense capabilities.

According to Censor.NET, Forbes analyst David Axe wrote about this.

It is noted that before the transfer, the aircraft were modernized with AN/ALQ-131 units, PIDS+ and ECIPS+ systems, which increased their ability to counter Russian threats. And while the United States cannot simply pull the plug on the US-designed F-16s for the Ukrainian Air Force, stopping the jamming system upgrades poses serious risks.

However, Ukraine has an alternative - it can partially compensate for this shortcoming with French Dassault Mirage 2000 fighters.

Ukrainian pilots make extensive use of F-16s equipped with AN/ALQ-131 electronic warfare pods, which create electronic interference for Russian radars. In effect, these aircraft serve as a "flying air defense" with early warning technologies for missile attacks, according to the Conflict Intelligence Team.

The Russian air force can adapt by changing the frequencies of its radars to avoid interference. Under the Biden administration, the US Air Force regularly updated AN/ALQ-131 frequencies in response to such changes. However, under Trump, Ukrainian pilots have stopped receiving these updates, which could make the systems obsolete.

Unlike the US F-16, the French Mirage 2000 has its own powerful jamming systems, and the US does not participate in their programming. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3540149

Skybird

03-09-25, 11:13 AM

Yeah, the F-16s. I just did not say it. But I knew it was coming, I just waited for it.

Next the US will help Russia to shut down the very few remaining powerplants by graphite bombs.

Al in the name of peace and savigb lives, of course. Trump is a treasure chest of noble values. And Stockholm treats him sooo unfair! He said often enough that he deserves the Peace Nobel. And do they listehn to him? Noooo... Its only just and fair that he now uses force to pave his way for another (!) nomination.

Cynism without limits on the Washington snake farm. Other snake farms make antidots. Washington makes the poison itself and injects it into people that were already bitten.

Skybird

03-09-25, 11:26 AM

If Europe want Ukraine to win the war-Then they have to speed up the delivery of weapons and ammo and not to forget get ready to put boots on the ground.

They have been speaking a lot on the matter, that Ukraine has to win the war.

Markus
The production capacities are not there, must be build first.

Years.

And think of the many things and infrastructure and capabilities of the US that must be replaced. We must get rid of all that US-made sh!t, it now is a threat that is directed against us.

I fear the overwhelming majority of people and decision makers in Europe have not yet fully understood that and think they can still depend on Patriots and US intel and US aircraft and so forth.

No. We can not.

Not to mention DNS servers. Software. Internet. Economic dependencies on the giants form the US.

What we belied was safe since WW" - now reveals itself to have been a huge monumental trap. We will need decades to get out of it. For the time being we cannot do much more than to stop buying US-made weapons and IT.

We are economcially strong enough and technologically competent enough to make all that ourselves, but we must build the means to do so first, and to secure the supply lines for the needed global ressources. Of course we must also stop sharing that with the US.

We must also ready ourselves for the US no longer sharing terror warnings with us, like they did in all the past decades as an unspoken background policy even if the climate between Europe and the US was not good. When terror plots became known to the US that would lead to mass killings in Europe, the US intel shared intel discreetely with europe, no matter what, especially with the impotent Germans (and I am very thankful for that, believe me). I expect this to end with snakes in the pit like there now are. There is nothing noble in the Trumpists.

The more this all goes on, the more I realise I start to think of the US as an enemy, Sorry, but thats how it is, I am only pulling consequences. Tnhats wgho I tick if you push me too far, all of a sudden I flip the switches and plot a completely new course, a more aggressive one. We cannot trust the US anymore. And no, I do not think the US would help anymore in the defence of Europe if Russia attacks.

I just take the king cobra by its words. Wo are you - whoever feels adressed - to tell me he does not mean it?