Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Skybird]

FOCUS writes:


[...] Germany has aggressively ignored this change in Russia and Putin. With the blessing of Chancellor Angela Merkel and her Social Democratic foreign minister, Frank Walter Steinmeier, construction on Nord Stream 2 began a year after Russia invaded Ukraine [Crimea]

At that time, the Baltics and the Poles warned - the same countries, in other words, that would have liked to see Russia excluded from the Swift system. This is not a coincidence. Germany misjudged Putin, it was a historical mistake. Poles and Balts had no illusions about Putin and Russians - they have been victims of Russian imperialism, which has been and still is over corpses.

It has often been written: Putin considers the West weak and decadent. Many in Germany, but most in the political class, have shaken their heads at this, along the lines of: what an idiot.

Putin may be a war criminal, but he is not an idiot. He is, like every dictator, one who takes what he wants and sets his own rules.

Putin knows Germany. And its opportunism. He was right.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (http://www.DeepL.com/Translator) (free version)


States have no friends, states have interests. But the cynism is sickening.

[Catfish]

China’s Xi asks Putin to negotiate with Ukraine

"China’s position would be based on the right and wrong in relation to the Ukraine issue itself", Chinese president says.

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-xi-jinping-vladimir-putin-negotiate-ukraine/

[Rockstar]

If we cut Russian banks from SWIFT. Germany and the U.S. would be the one’s most hurt by it and if Russia is already prepared for such a sanction then what’s the point of doing it?

I think now it’s just turned towards internal political party posturing.


I could be wrong as I don’t know very much about SWIFT. But if it was an easy decision I think it would have been done by now.

[Skybird]

We are financing the war of attack against Ukraine that way, Rockstar. We have then no right to criticise Pujtin- we assist him actively. We help him to finance his assault on the Ukraine. Thats what we do.

A few weeks ago there was a news or docu on German TV I think about Russia'S attempt to install an alternative to SWIFT. They said the effort produced a system that is pathetic at best, has way too few acceptance partners and banks connected, as if it could compete with SWIFT, not to mention: replace it. It cannot, they said. It cannot replace it most likely, SWIFT has over 11 thousand banks connected globally, the Russian system only a very few, all of them being Russian, and internationally: a few acceptance points in states that are close vasalls of Russia. Ids any of them a major economic hub? No, none.

It would hurt us in Germany most, and some others, yes. But it would hurt Russia still much, much more.

And it is the right thing to do. Nobody forced us to bring ourselves into ever deepening dependency from Russia. Our foreign political dogma of "change by trade" has exploded into our face: in China, in Iran, in Turkey, in Russia, in then Arab Spring, in Afghanistan. Illusions and more illusions. German foreign policy dogmata and all the many diplomatic life-long lies to ourselves have just been "armageddonised". We directly financially support the Russian war of attack against Ukraine. Let that sink in. We directly finance Russia's war of attack against Ukrane. You as well, and quite some more. We finance and support it. Trump may like the conception of this. I spit on it.

[Rockstar]

We are financing the war of attack agai8nst Ukraine that way, Rockstar. We have then no right to criticise Pujtin- we assist him actively.



A few weeks ago there was a news or docu on German TV I think about Russia'S attempt to install an alternative to SWIFT. They said the effort priduced a system that is olathetic ta best, has way too many accpetka nce partners and banks connected as if it could even compete with SWIFT, not to mention: repalc eit. It cannot replac eit most likely, SWIFT has over 11 thousand banks globally, the Russian system only a very few, all of them being Russian, and internationally: a few acceptance points in states that are close vasalls of Russia.



It would hzurt us Germany most, and some others, yes. But it would hurt Russia still much, much more.



And it is the right thing to do. We directly financially support the Russian war of attack against Ukraine. Let that sink in. We directly finance Russia's war of attack against Ukrane. We finance and support it. Trump may like the conception of this. I spit on it.


Jesushchrist this doesn’t have squat to do with the orange man. None of what Putin is doing should come as a surprise to our countries spooks and leaders, Russia has been preparing for this since at the very least 2014. Other than shooting ourselves in the foot and accelerating Russia’s voluntary switch from SWIFT to China’s CIP what does disconnecting Russia from SWIFT accomplish especially if they been saving their rubles and have immediate alternatives? Personally I think Putin has us over a barrel.

[Andreas86]

Well RT.com is still up on my end.

But I cannot access the russian defense ministry website.

[Skybird]

So you say we should continue in participating in the rape of Ukraine, because if we stop it, it nevertheless would not mean that the Russians stop, too?

China and Russia are no allies, and Xi and Putin are no friends, they are still too far apart and have too different interests, even have conflicts in ideology, policies, and even territories. Let the two do what they want, we must not conspire with them in the raping of their assaulted victims.

I just said it before. Its the right thing to do (to stop financing them). Either you get it or you don't. Its the right thing to do. The only right thing. Evertyhing else we do leaves us not being one bit better than Russia or China. We then are like them.

[Skybird]

In response to U.S. sanctions in the Ukraine war, Russia's space chief has warned that the ISS could crash into the United States. U.S. President Biden is probably unaware of how important Russian engines are for the 500-ton space station, he said. Europe could also be affected.

The head of Russia's space agency has warned of an uncontrolled crash of the International Space Station (ISS) as a consequence of U.S. sanctions in the Ukraine war. The debris of the 500-ton construction could then possibly hit the USA or Europe.

Thats at least a score for original and imaginative thinking. Whether it is realistic or not, I cannot assess.

[Skybird]

Russia is threatening Finland in the event that the neighboring state moves further toward NATO membership. Should Finland consider joining NATO, this would have "serious military and political consequences," a spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry said. Finland's existing neutrality is seen as an important factor in ensuring security and stability in northern Europe.

In the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin had said that her country could imagine joining NATO to safeguard national security.

Maybe we should create facts on the ground with no time left for Russia to react, and sell them tactical nukes that coluld reach Murmansk, Archangelsk and the likes.



Granting NATO membership has a hook in it. The alliance must be certain that it can actually defend that new member in case of article 5 being called. Thats a question of logistics, terrain and geography, forces available. Coul NATO defend Finland? Georgia? Ukraine? It already cannot defend the Baltic states, Hungary, Slovenia, probably also not Poland.And whether Bulgaria even would want to get defended again is an issue, they are still very close with Russia.

[Jimbuna]

Russian troops are in northern districts of the capital Kyiv, Ukraine says, and video shows armoured vehicles advancing.

The UK says the "bulk" of Russian troops advancing on the city remain more than 50km away.

Vladimir Putin tells Ukrainian troops to overthrow their own country's leadership.

Meanwhile the Ukrainian government calls on citizens to make Molotov cocktails and defend the city.

Ukraine's interior ministry also says 18,000 guns have been given to volunteers.

And Ukraine's President Zelensky releases a defiant video, saying he's not leaving.

Russian forces say they have taken control of Hostomel airfield near Kyiv.

Russia is stripped of Champions League final, kicked out of 2022 Eurovision Song Contest, and stopped from hosting F1 Grand Prix.

[Aktungbby]

AsI stated earlier, they are friends enough; Putin has enough faith in his Sino relations to have transferred needed units from the Chinese boarder to the Ukranian conflict... right out of Stalin's handbook in WWII. Arguably the strongest sanction(s) yet!:arrgh!: China twofacedly, having stated that Ukraine boarders shouldn't be violated has offered to buy Russian wheat in violation of Western sanctions ie: money, the sinews of war, talks; and SinoBovine Scatology walks...I 'spect China will move on Taiwan shortly in an Authoritarian weighted pendulum military movement- first the russian left...then the chinese right; as the US, as in 1939, faces a two-front conflict...:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17Bi7zBJHI

[Skybird]

A former German general said on the status of the Bundeswehr/Heer (= army) the supply status is such that the BW can equip just one brigade, one single brigade, as combat-ready and war-ready.

1 brigade.

Even I had to gulp.

The Bavarian minister president said today that in principle the Bundeswehr has to be build new from scratch.

[Jimbuna]

^ Aye, how the once mighty have now fallen :yep:

[mapuc]

Hundreds if not thousands of Ukrainian men from Denmark and Sweden have left their new country and family they are on their way to Ukraine to help in fighting the Ruskies.

Wonder how many do this from other European countries ?

Markus

[Catfish]

Russia has to be kicked out of SWIFT, i wonder what takes them so long. Let him do business with China, we will see how this fares.. Even the slow thinking Baerbock supports this now lol.
The other idea is to go after Putin's personal money being deposited abroad via middle men and Putin-loyal oligarchs. I hope Johnson understands what this means.

Putin has said the #1 goal is to kill Zelensky, publicly, before running cameras. You have to digest this. This is not rational thinking. If anyone has "brass balls" here it is Zelensky, surely not an elderly psychopath in Moscow. It will be over soon, but Putin at least seems to get a bloody nose. Not him personally, unfortunately.

edit: re Skybird, there was an interesting report this morning on the DLF (Deutschlandfunk) radio, about the state the german Bundeswehr is in. I knew it was bad, but this..
If Europe survives the next months there will have to be a bit of rethinking some positions, and 'strategy'.

[clayton]

No mighty have fallen! It's Putin’s ass one step in NATO territory.

[Onkel Neal]

So essentially, all that bluster from Pres. Dementia amounts to very little.

President Biden announced the supposedly crushing sanctions that he’s been warning Putin of for months. They are tougher than any previous round of sanctions against Moscow and will exact real costs on Russia’s government, military, and state-dominated financial, energy, and tech sectors. Yet Biden made a telling concession. He said the sanctions will take time to bite and never were meant to deter Putin, despite repeated statements previously from him and his officials that that was exactly what we sought to do. Notably, we aren’t excluding Russia from the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT), the cooperative that enables international financial transactions. This would have exacted enormous, immediate economic pain on Russia, but the Europeans blanched at the idea since it would surely lead Putin to stop exporting the oil and gas they’ve made themselves so reliant on. Meanwhile, Germany’s suspension of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline is less than meets the eye, since the pipeline was not yet operative. And, bizarrely, we are not yet sanctioning Putin himself.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/vladimir-putins-gamble/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=blog-post&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=more-in&utm_term=first

[clayton]

I'm having a difficult time determining who the patriots are on this site.

[Catfish]

It seems the german authorities are all for getting Russia out of SWIFT now. They thought of it as a means of last resort, but this time has come now.
I hope it is not just words again.

[Red Devil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcfJY6QwnY

[Skybird]

At least here the Europeans now took the lead over the Americans. Putin's and Lavrov's assets within reach of the eU banks, are frozen.

Why not expropriated...

Putin calls openly for the death of Selensky. Wowh. Even in the middle age and duriong the crusades and durign the wars between Christian and Muslims the rule everbyody followed was: "king does not slay king".

Putins latest TV speech was - bizarre, to put it midly. I again really have doubts that he is mentally healthy anymore.

There can be no go back to normal anymore as long as Russia is ruled by murderous cynical scum like Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev and who knows what. Yes, we are in a cold war. And if we are not lucky, we could easily end up in a hot war.

They start to annoucne they want to throw money at the armed forces. Problem is you cna onpy buy what has been prodcued. And porodfuciton can only be with workers and specialist, and sufficient raw materials in supply. But the logistics crunsh the world suffers, does not help. I think it will take more than just ten years to bring the Bundeswehr back into an effective shape, and there must be a new debate about conscription of any kind, the current system doe snot cut it, unfortunately, there are not enough recruits, since years. I dont like conscription, but what alternative is there?

We must also desperately change our view on globalization and the dependency it brings. We must reconsider high tech trade. We must bring essential industrial competence back to Europe. We must start sanctioning companies and corporations doing business in Russia and/or China. We must get untied form both, and block trade with them. We feed andf foster our worst of enemies if we don't, and they will kill and eat us one day.

"Wandel durch Handel" (change by trade), the German diplomats' top motto, must be buried. Now. It has not worked. Never, nowhere, not a single time. Since decades. Its the biggest foreign-political lie the Germans deceive themselves with, since 50 years or so.

After all, we, the West, always just hunted the money. And for that every foul deal and liefull talk was delivered by us all too willingly. And that still is the case towards the Ukraine today. I have no explicit sympathy for the ukraine as a state, it is a corrupt state and a broken state and I do not like states in general, but my sympathy is with those 40+ million ordinary people for whom these times are just mere horror, and all to often just a fight for survival.

That Putin and Lavrov most likely will never be held accountable for the atrocities and mass murders and war crimes, never end up with a rope around their necks, is unbearable. Whoever in the Russian military and intel service follows their commands, is as guilty as were the officers in the Wehrmacht who stayed obedient to Hitler until the end.


Is there even just one country in the West that is not governed by criminally corrupts, breathtaking idiots, indifferent amateurs, incapable imbiciles?

[UglyMowgli]

The NATO VHRJTF (5000 troops) commanded by the French this year is going to be deployed whitin 2-3 days in Poland, Romania and Baltic States. And the HRTF (45000 troops) within 7 days.
The French-German Brigade is already packing.

[UglyMowgli]

Muslims the rule everbyody followed was: "king does not slay king".

Putins latest TV speech was - bizarre, to put it midly. I again really have doubts that he is mentally healthy anymore.




Well some MD specialized in studying World Leaders health, already said few days ago that his puffy face and stomping feet is the result of high dose of corticoids (used mainly to cure leukemia) but corticoids have side effects like hallucinations, disillusion, ....


By the way Pornhub just banned all Russian IP, this move will certainly hurt the Russian and they will withdraw from Ukraine.

[Aktungbby]

the driver appears to move at video's end:up:

[Catfish]

[...] By the way Pornhub just banned all Russian IP, this move will certainly hurt the Russian and they will withdraw from Ukraine.
:rotfl2:
If this is true it makes more sense than Europe :nope:

[Jeff-Groves]

Putin calls openly for the death of Selensky. Wowh. Even in the middle age and duriong the crusades and durign the wars between Christian and Muslims the rule everbyody followed was: "king does not slay king".


That ended LONG AGO!
I think it's time to send Putin to a permanent dirt nap.

[Catfish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-Yeqh4PFY

I would advise to leave the country like DeGaulle did in WW2, and continue from abroad.
Other than Putin, this man has balls.


OT @JeffG yes but how.

[Jeff-Groves]

I'm having a difficult time determining who the patriots are on this site.

Your gonna have to define your idea of "Patriot".
That is an often used term tossed around by SO MANY Fruit Loops now a days.

[Jeff-Groves]

OT @JeffG yes but how.
I'll bet someone close to him will arrange something as soon as the money starts drying up.

He'll not be the first one in history to go all 'Jimmy Hoffa'.
:haha:

The Colombian Cartel Guys were WAY richer! And look what happened to them.

Osama Bin Laden didn't fair to well himself.

I'd bet a Deck of Cards with Russian Generals and such are being made right now!

[mapuc]

It's a different between defending your country against an aggressor from another country, than defending your home against your brother or sister.

I would defend my countries if they were attacked by a foreign state-But I would not defend my home against my brother or sister-Instead I would flee the country.

Markus

[Eisenwurst]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x81SP-6Rzk8

Heroes. :salute:

All killed.

[Rockstar]

This doesn’t have jack to do with freedom and democracy, women's rights, de-nazification, socalled NATO expansion, puppies, rape, sassy babushkas, Putin, Trump or Biden. This is a power play that has a damn good chance of happening and will change the landscape of global politics for decades to come.

As for Germany suddenly all for disconnecting Putin from SWIFT. Thanks but no thanks, however you true patriots can jump on that band wagon if you want. Germany has been after Ukraines resources since ‘39 it can’t function without imported energy, minerals or grain. Couple that with China’s state news paper hinting of a Russian, German, Chinese economic alliance, Poland’s and Lithuanian warning years ago of a new Molotov Ribbentrop pact I be wary following their lead until the risks vs benefits to MY country have been weighed.

[Red Devil]

the driver did survive, he was hunched down in the well

[Admiral8Q]

Incredible, this topic has been going on a lot in a short time.

2 or 3 days now of "war"?

The stuff on Facebook makes me roll my eyes.

Anyways, for one thing "Biden" is a president and does not control the diplomacy and military or the United States of America. So relying on a "king" as an "emperor" does not make sense. He is the representative figurehead of the 'elected' party.

The intelligent people in the USA should be making the decisions. Not facebook or other media or TV celebrities.

What is not "posted" is probably best. Like a submarine that is never known. :03:

[Andreas86]

Is there even just one country in the West that is not governed by criminally corrupts, breathtaking idiots, indifferent amateurs, incapable imbiciles?


No, they all seem hell-bent on self-destruction in one way or another.

[Aktungbby]

BOTTOM Line: Putin ain't the only liar...I await the post-nuke dystopian age!

Is there even just one country in the West that is not governed by criminally corrupts, breathtaking idiots, indifferent amateurs, incapable imbiciles?

No, they all seem hell-bent on self-destruction in one way or another.:yep::oops::dead:

[Admiral8Q]

Here we go again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyiEaSzpdMk

[Admiral8Q]

It is ok. Great Leader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrLgXmHJTFI

[Jimbuna]

PM addresses Russian people in their language: 'I do not believe this war is in your name'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQgQhie-7oo

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine's capital Kyiv is under attack from Russian missile strikes.

Russian forces are trying to break through the city's defences but have so far failed.

The invasion has so far killed 198 Ukrainians, the health minister says.

Ukraine’s president remains defiant, saying: ‘We won't lay down our arms’

Russia says it has captured the city of Melitopol in the south.

The UK says it and 25 other nations will send more weapons and aid to Ukraine.

Poland calls off their 2022 World Cup play-off with Russia in Moscow next month.

The UN estimates that 100,000 people have escaped Ukraine in the past 48 hours.

[Jimbuna]

France seizes Russian cargo ship in Channel

The French navy has intercepted a cargo ship in the English channel bound for the Russian city of St Petersburg, the BBC has learned.

French officials told the BBC that the ship was intercepted in line with new European Union sanctions and say it has been redirected to the northern port of Boulogne-Sur-Mer.

“A 127m-long Russia cargo ship called the 'Baltic Leader' transporting cars has been intercepted overnight by the French Navy in the Channel and escorted to the Port of Boulogne-Sur-Mer in Northern France," the official said.

"It has been taken to the French port after a request by the French government because it is suspected of belonging to a company targeted by EU sanctions against Moscow. French border forces are currently investigating the cargo ship. Crew aboard the 'Baltic Leader' has been cooperating with French authorities.”

The Russian embassy in France is seeking explanations from the French authorities over the seizure, Russia's RIA news agency said.

[mapuc]

Russia will not stop after they have taken Ukraine says NATO leader.

Here is a translated Danish article

https://www-bt-dk.translate.goog/udland/jens-stoltenberg-putin-stopper-ikke-ved-ukraine?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine: Who is not on the UK sanctions list?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60524666

[mapuc]

According to some twitter

Putin is furious He thought the war would be over after 3-4 days an easy take.
He also consider using 'father of all bombs'

They fear Vladimir Putin could resort to high-power thermobaric weapons - dubbed the 'father of all bombs' - as brave Ukrainians resist his attempts to take control of Kyiv.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552743/Furious-Putin-prepares-use-father-bombs-brave-Ukrainians-hold-advance.html

Edit


Markus

[Skybird]

Anyone else thinking we have underestimated this funny little man who was a TV comedian before?

What I find remarkable is that even under this stress he must be under, his facial expression still is remarkably relaxed. Not frozen, stressful or excited. Relaxed.

Must be a man who is certain of his cause and who is at peace with his mind.

I must apologize, I feel. I underestimated him for sure, did not take him serious.

Some Trump followers said Putin had cojohnes. No, he hasn't that, he is a man who follows minimum-risk strategies, and he hides behind others who he lets do the dying. He is clever, he is dangerous, but courageous he is not: where it seems so this only is the case because the others - us! - are so terribly weak. The one leader who really shows big balls in all this, is Selensky. Since this battle began, he seems to strike all the right chords, and shares everbyody else's risk, which again is a message to the people. No wonder that Putin calls for his death, a man like this must be for him what a red rag is for a raging bull.

Respect!

[August]

Anyone else thinking we have underestimated this funny little man who was a TV comedian before?




Speak for yourself. You and others here have been bloviating about this war like you knew what you were talking about ever since it started yet they are nothing but armchair generals who think this is a big call of duty server and you are their chairman.

[mapuc]

Speak for yourself. You and others here have been bloviating about this war like you knew what you were talking about ever since it started yet they are nothing but armchair generals who think this is a big call of duty server and you are their chairman.

I for once does not have any military skills I just follow the news and it says Russia has huge problem taking control over Ukraine and its Capital Kyiv.

Edit
I agree with Skybird on this. I have a lot more respect for the Ukrainian President than I have for the Russian President. In a Danish article it was said that USA gave the Ukrainian President an opportunity to flee the country-Instead he asked for ammo. RESPECT
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Markus

[August]

I for once does not have any military skills I just follow the news and it says Russia has huge problem taking control over Ukraine and its Capital Kyiv.

Markus


Markus, you are NOT one of the ones I am talking about.

From what I have seen you don't tend give your opinions and theories like they were facts. You always qualify them with an "I believe" or "what I have heard" etc. I have never seen you act like you were an expert in the subject of war or geopolitics.

I think some others here believe they could have been real generals (or doctors / disease specialists) if someone had just recognized their mad skillz early enough in life. Now they sit behind their computers far from the front lines, pompously telling us what will happen or what Putin is planning like they even had a single clue.

But you are not them Markus.

[Red Devil]

A posat of mine on 11 Forum:

I know this is most definitely not the thread, but as a Ukrainian comic said on GBNews this very morning. Russia & China are laughing at the west because we are slashing our defences, our soldiers etc and too worried about damn wokism or so called rights than anything else. The whole of the western alliance is a joke, so weak, it can hardly stand. I was near the E German border for long enough. NATO lied about the coming threat from Russia and E Germany. The so called forces piling up on the E German border were either ficticious or fake tanks and guns. NATO had to lie to protect their own highly paid jobs - NATO now couldn't stop a ten pin bowling ball.

[mapuc]

Markus, you are NOT one of the ones I am talking about.

From what I have seen you don't tend give your opinions and theories like they were facts. You always qualify them with an "I believe" or "what I have heard" etc. I have never seen you act like you were an expert in the subject of war or geopolitics.

I think some others here believe they could have been real generals (or doctors / disease specialists) if someone had just recognized their mad skillz early enough in life. Now they sit behind their computers far from the front lines, pompously telling us what will happen or what Putin is planning like they even had a single clue.

But you are not them Markus.

Thank you Dave warm my heart. I have edit my post since you quoted me.

Here is what I wrote

I agree with Skybird on this. I have a lot more respect for the Ukrainian President than I have for the Russian President. In a Danish article it was said that USA gave the Ukrainian President an opportunity to flee the country-Instead he asked for ammo. RESPECT

Markus

[Red Devil]

Thank you Dave warm my heart. I have edit my post since you quoted me.

Here is what I wrote

I agree with Skybird on this. I have a lot more respect for the Ukrainian President than I have for the Russian President. In a Danish article it was said that USA gave the Ukrainian President an opportunity to flee the country-Instead he asked for ammo. RESPECT

Markus

Thats true, it was mentioned in GBNews only this morning

[Jimbuna]

In pictures: Kyiv under attack

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-60536824

[mapuc]

A thought

Denmark, France and other European countries has said they will send defensive weapon to Ukraine and medical equipment.

Aren't we so to say indirectly supporting one of the part in the war and thous taking part in the war ?

As Putin had warned us-If we take part in the war the response would be...

Markus

[Skybird]

The resistence of European states against blocking Russia from SWIFT, is melting away. Hungary, Cyprus, Italy have given it up. The biggest blocker is still Germany, and Luxemburg seems to still openly support it.



I have not found anything on France and Austria today. Have they already silently given up their resistance?


The left wing of the carricature-chancellors's own party has rejected the need to raise the defence budgets and insist on it even being lowered further. They still want NATO being dismantled. Once a CCCP vasall, always a CCCP vasall. Disgusting.

[August]

In a Danish article it was said that USA gave the Ukrainian President an opportunity to flee the country-Instead he asked for ammo.


Yeah you have to respect that. My leaders would be reaching out from undisclosed secure locations to tell us not to worry because THEY are safe from harm in their hardened underground bunkers.


It does make me wonder though if the Ukrainians have prepared a "government in exile" to take over if Kiev falls and Zelensky is killed or captured.

[Catfish]

The resistence of European states against blocking Russia from SWIFT, is melting away. Hungary, Cyprus, Italy have given it up. The biggest blocker is still Germany, and Luxemburg seems to still openly support it. [...] .
Yesterday i wrote (falsely) that Baerbock was intending to cut off SWIFT, and Scholz slowly changing his mind. It was in the news shortly, but not for long :doh: Would be nice to see it happen, regardless the consequences for us.

Another thing is that more people are convinced that Putin will not stop after Ukraine, maybe not even for a month.

[Skybird]

Another thing is that more people are convinced that Putin will not stop after Ukraine, maybe not even for a month.
I start to become relaxed a bit on that option, becasue the diouzbts are growing for me nthat he acually could march on. Things seem to not run too well for the Russian attackers, they seem to be significantly behing their plans and timetables alrready.

Worries give those Russian FAE rocket monsters they are bringing in. If they use these in cities, it could mean mass murder of civlians seeking shelter in the underground, these weapons are meant to bust huge bunkers, deep caves, but infantry in the open as well. Their effect is terrible.

They could also use them to clusterbomb suspected positions of Selensky who is rumoured to sit in a hardned bunker. Thats the kind of place these weapons primarily were once made for: to knock out sub bunkers at Murmansk is a common narration, I think.

That the Russians have no scruples they proved already in Syria.

I hope those many civilians who are now fighting in their towns and cities have good tactical professional soldiers as local commanders with good overview that can tell them in time when to get out and fall back. If oyu ahve no experience and trainign like as a civislan you usually do not have, you may hold out in a place for longer than is healthy when the Russians pack out the big guns. They have balls, but that does not make one invincible.


Urban fighting equalizes chances and reduces Russian weaponry advantage, the local residents know the place better, too. But that might be the reason why the Russians then attack with even less remorse and pack out the big bomber things earlier.

[Skybird]

Na huch...!? Germany is reported to have allowed the Netherlands to send 400 Panzerfäuste from German production. And 14 armoured vehicles.

Poland today again is heavily attacking Germany over its weapons and SWIFT policy.

I think Scholz sooner or later must give in. If the Russians use those thermobaric bombs, much sooner.


I wonder how long it takes to bring weapons from outside the ukraine into it and to the front. 24 hours? 36? Anyone having an idea?

[Catfish]

^ thermobaric bombs, i had forgotten that they could use those against civilists. And Putin wants to use them in cities with hard resistance. There has to be the question if Selensky should not better give up, but it seems the majority of the people in Ukraine do not want that. Putin, not Russia, is the aggressor, and they are beginning to hate him. His plan of a quick invasion has obviously backfired, up to now he got a bloody nose.
And shelling and bombing civilians has never broken a people's will.

Ex Nato General Domroese about Putin's tactics how to get hold on the larger cities, translation by Google:
https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/Domroese-Putin-wird-Kiew-austrocknen-article23155966.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp


re Skybird "this video", i do not want to post this now. It is very good but it is also too late, and even the reasons mentioned (and that no one in the west wanted to hear) remain pale against what Putin right now does.
"Russia's strive for security" or only Putin's perception? What about the rest of the world's security and our views? Maybe Putin's view is wrong? Is his thirty year-old strategy and world view indeed so good and understandable nowadays? The world has changed, also for Russia. Not for Putin, obviously.

Yes, we were not informed good enough by the media who only tell us about the US and the latters opinions and world view, but still, nothing justifies Putin's aggression, not even the reasons he may have since 30 years.

According to Putin all Ukrainians are "drugged fascist jews". I wonder who advises him on propaganda, maybe some russians believe him since the state-controlled russian media spout this BS since decades, and the russian troll armies are strong.

Still, these are russians against russians fighting, this is so idiotic that at least some should see what is going on.

[mapuc]

Thermobaric bombs, i had to look this up. And Putin wants to use them in cities with hard resistance.
According to Putin all Ukrainians are "drugged fascist jews". I wonder who advises him on propaganda, maybe some russians believe him since the state-controlled russian media spout this BS since decades, and the russian troll armies are strong.
Still, these are russians against russians fighting, this is so idiotic that at least some should see what is going on.

I posted this article on page 70

Here it is

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552743/Furious-Putin-prepares-use-father-bombs-brave-Ukrainians-hold-advance.html

Another thing-What will our response be-If Putin use these type of weapons against civilians ??

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Another thing-What will our response be-If Putin use these type of weapons against civilians ??

Markus

https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f162/baritonobasso/Onoz-omg_animated.gif

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/32/96/11/32961142fad6340d403a9a71635f483f.jpg

[Catfish]

I posted this article on page 70
Here it is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552743/Furious-Putin-prepares-use-father-bombs-brave-Ukrainians-hold-advance.html

Another thing-What will our response be-If Putin use these type of weapons against civilians ?? Markus
Yes, i admit I overlooked this.

What will we do? Threaten Putin with a EU debate to bore him to death maybe?

[mapuc]

Yes, i admit I overlooked this.

What will we do? Threaten Putin with a EU debate to bore him to death maybe?

Following is only pure speculation on what type of response NATO/EU would present if Putin use these Thermobaric bombs against cities in Ukraine.

Mr. Stoltenberg or Biden will in a TV transmission sending a warning to Putin next time he use these Thermobaric bombs on Ukrainian soil-will be seen as he has thrown it on NATO soil.

I think this is what will happen if Putin gives the go-ahead in using these Thermobaric bombs.

Don't know if I should hope I'm wrong or not.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/upload/f_auto,t_content-image-desktop@1/v1643127369/jd012522dAPR.jpg If he uses Thermobaric weapons, his victory will fall under " A hell of a git he's got"??!! Here is invader Vlad the Ganger's vision of Europe: https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/upload/f_auto,t_content-image-desktop@1/v1643127203/259197_768_rgb.jpg

[Rockstar]

I for once does not have any military skills I just follow the news and it says Russia has huge problem taking control over Ukraine and its Capital Kyiv.


Markus

They just might have problem, I’m thinking of the video of that babushka scolding the Russian soldier and how he was still very respectful, almost ashamed. Such attitudes may be a problem for Putin’s goals if his soldiers can’t take up arms against fellow Slavs. But if there was ever finer example why former Warsaw Pact members were chomping at the bits to leave Russian influence and join NATO, this is it.

The crazies are the Russian separatists, like religious zealots they kill and terrorize without remorse for their cause.

[Skybird]

International pressure starts to break German resistance. Since a few minutes it is said that Germany will deliver 1000 ATGMs and Panzerfäuste from BW reserves plus 500 Stingers to Ukraine. Its just on the TV main news.

The Germans now also are completely isolated over SWIFT and start a last desperate attempt to save their interests. This night they will have a telephone conference with the US, France and some others over an exclusion "lite" of Russia from SWIFT, banning only a few Russian banks, but allowing others to operate so that Germany could transfer payments for gas deliveries by Russia.

I am stunned! So the Germans seem to think that Russia will not take revenge and will kindly cooperate in keeping German living rooms warm and cozy, and they also seem to think that in this way German payments for gas will not finance the Russian war machine any longere? Have I got this right...? I must be dreaming!

I hope the German diplomacy gets another bloody nose over its crazy idea of "SWIFT exclusion lite".

Those ATGMs and SAMs must be brought on the move quickly now.

[Armistead]

A thought

Denmark, France and other European countries has said they will send defensive weapon to Ukraine and medical equipment.

Aren't we so to say indirectly supporting one of the part in the war and thous taking part in the war ?

As Putin had warned us-If we take part in the war the response would be...

Markus

Certainly where it's going to get interesting, tho both sides have done this for decades, Russian weapons have killed 1000's of American soldiers in numerous conflicts that were ongoing, vice versa. Obviously our weapons will go through 3rd parties, Poland, Denmark, other smuggling in. We've seen this coming since March, it's shameful so much of NATO wouldn't send or resisted sending a mass of weapons that would be useful, mainly drones. I think we all agree sovereign nations have the right of self determination, but it must suck to be one in a buffer zone between NATO and Russia Cold war issues.

[Jeff-Groves]

They just might have problem, I’m thinking of the video of that babushka scolding the Russian soldier and how he was still very respectful, almost ashamed.
That Soldier I almost respect. I say 'almost' only because He didn't Gun Butt her in the video. He gave me the impression he didn't want to be there at all.

[Rockstar]

International pressure starts to break German resistance. Since a few minutes it is said that Germany will deliver 1000 ATGMs and Panzerfäuste from BW reserves plus 500 Stingers to Ukraine. Its just on the TV main news.

The Germans now also are completely isolated over SWIFT and start a last desperate attempt to save their interests. This night they will have a telephone conference with the US, France and some others over an exclusion "lite" of Russia from SWIFT, banning only a few Russian banks, but allowing others to operate so that Germany could transfer payments for gas deliveries by Russia.

I am stunned! So the Germans seem to think that Russia will not take revenge and will kindly cooperate in keeping German living rooms warm and cozy, and they also seem to think that in this way German payments for gas will not finance the Russian war machine any longere? Have I got this right...? I must be dreaming!

I hope the German diplomacy gets another bloody nose over its crazy idea of "SWIFT exclusion lite".

Those ATGMs and SAMs must be brought on the move quickly now.



https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3414041-germany-to-give-ukraine-weapons-bild.html

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who not only refused to supply Ukraine with weapons but also for weeks banned NATO and EU members from supplying German-made weapons to Kyiv, is reconsidering his position.
That's according to the German news site Bild, Ukrinform reports.

Citing government circles, the report claims that the federal government has allowed the Netherlands to hand over 400 Panzerfaust rocket-propelled grenade launchers to the Ukrainian military, which it supplied to the Netherlands in the past.

Berlin also gave Estonia permission to supply old GDR-era armored howitzers to Ukraine.

If any country wants to export German-made weapons to third countries, it must get the green light from Germany.

With regard to arms supplies from Germany, the government's position remains unchanged.

However, according to the tabloid, Germany wants to supply 14 armored vehicles and 10,000 tonnes of fuel to Ukraine.

Earlier reports said that Ukraine had provided Germany with a list of necessary weapons and equipment. However, only 5,000 helmets have been provided to the Ukrainian side so far, which have not been delivered to the country for a long time.


The little opportunist weasels. Wonder who had to pressure Germans to side with our alliance rather than the Russians and Chinese.

[Jeff-Groves]

You little opportunist weasels.

You know those Weasels are probably involved hoping for rewards.
Here's what they deserve!
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/circa-1944-german-soldiers-hanged-by-the-german-army-with-a-sign-picture-id3333493?s=594x594

[Rockstar]

People fighting and dying for their survival, sovereignty and self determination. Germans just complain about how cold their homes are. My advice to weasels send arms, buy more blankets.

[Jimbuna]

Protests held around UK in support of Ukraine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60536064

[Jeff-Groves]

My advise would be don't bother buying more blankets.
A sheet will cover your body just fine.

[mapuc]

Russia is going to get it right-It will take a longer time than expected-sad to say. The Russian military is overwhelming over Ukrainian strength.

Ukrainian have won the propaganda war.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Chelsea's Russian owner Roman Abramovich says he is "giving trustees of Chelsea's charitable foundation the stewardship and care" of the club.

[August]

You know those Weasels are probably involved hoping for rewards.
Here's what they deserve!
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/circa-1944-german-soldiers-hanged-by-the-german-army-with-a-sign-picture-id3333493?s=594x594


To be hung by the nazis for being cowards? :doh:

[Jimbuna]

LIVE: War in Ukraine | View of Maidan square in #Kyiv, #War_in_Ukraine, after #Russian_invasion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSOlbyB7aW4

[Jeff-Groves]

Chelsea's Russian owner Roman Abramovich says he is "giving trustees of Chelsea's charitable foundation the stewardship and care" of the club.
I'd lock that **** down so not a drop of money could be moved!

[Jimbuna]

I'd lock that **** down so not a drop of money could be moved!

Aye :yep:

[Jeff-Groves]

To be hung by the nazis for being cowards? :doh:
Sometimes I wonder if your just Retarded or just miss my point.
:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0TIDaU2MsI

[Jeff-Groves]

They found out they are not as well prepared to face Western Weapons as they thought!
Now the body bags roll back to Russia.

How does Heir Putin explain that?

Others have stated the Russian Weapons have evolved.
I'm not seeing that giving the evidence shows they are sub par.
Not even up to avoiding a Javalion.

As to detecting any of the USA Stealth Air Craft? I doubt they can do that also.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzDu85M42AQ

[August]

Sometimes I wonder if your just Retarded or just miss my point.
:hmmm:


Well that wasn't very nice Jeff. But then again calling for mass hangings isn't very nice either. The fact that you happy to punctuate this latest display of hatred using a picture of nazis murdering innocent civilians just shows you are obtusely ignorant to the irony of it all. Talk about missing the point. :roll:

[Jeff-Groves]

I'll apologize to you directly.
And in retrospect? It was a bad image choice.
I do believe you get my point about hanging some people even though I presented it wrong.

[nikimcbee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzDu85M42AQ


Having seen what Western weapons do to Soviet/Russian tanks in the Iraq War v1.0, I wouldn't want to be in a Russian tank.

[Jeff-Groves]

I saw pictures of added stuff to Tanks that were designed to protect them from our anti-tank stuff.

Talk about a freaking joke!

They got a umbrella that will just blow back into the Tank insuring EVERYONE is DEAD!

[mapuc]

It is not only here in our forum I read comments about this ongoing war in Ukraine.

Here is a comment from some Danes

(translated)

There is a DIFFERENCE between COURAGE and STUPIDITY. The Ukrainians will fight a battle they can not win and thus leave their family. This is not a movie they live in

He got a lot of response mostly angry comments

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Yeah. They post stuff like that from a comfortable room.
Given it was their arses on the line?
Probably be the first to LEAVE!
COWARDS!

If I wasn't in my 60's? I'd find a way to go fight!
I haven't killed anyone since Operation Urgent Fury!
And they were mostly Cubans.

[mapuc]

May not be a nice thing, but I can't help being schadenfroh every time I hear or read about Russian military equipment and/or soldier get killed in Ukraine.

Markus

[mapuc]

Yeah. They post stuff like that from a comfortable room.
Given it was their arses on the line?
Probably be the first to LEAVE!
COWARDS!

If I wasn't in my 60's? I'd find a way to go fight!
I haven't killed anyone since Operation Urgent Fury!
And they were mostly Cubans.

It was a Danish newspaper who had posted an article on FB

Here it is translated into English

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/tusindvis-i-koe-for-at-komme-i-kamp/9147541?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

I've seen reports of invaders dressed in Ukrainian uniforms.
If true? They fall under a Spy and should be shot on sight!

[Jeff-Groves]

So far Internet runs through the Ukraine.
I'm bouncing out of the Ukraine now.
Threats of Cyber attacks are over blown.

[mapuc]

I've seen reports of invaders dressed in Ukrainian uniforms.
If true? They fall under a Spy and should be shot on sight!

Read somewhere that Russia had sent saboteur into Ukraine. Maybe it is these who wear Ukrainian uniform

Edit
Read this in a comment from a Danish politician

Ukraine has, according to Ukrainian sources, lost:
3,500 soldiers, 200 have been captured.
14 airplane
8 helicopters
102 tanks
536 armored vehicles
15 artillery
Since the war started
End edit

Markus

[Rockstar]

I've seen reports of invaders dressed in Ukrainian uniforms.
If true? They fall under a Spy and should be shot on sight!

If I’m not mistaken there is very little difference between Russian and Ukrainian uniforms and armaments. The only thing I know which separates them is the Russians wear a white arm band or as the babushuka video shows a white band tied around the leg. Vehicles have a white Z painted on them.

As the battles rage I imagine those markings will eventually wear or fall off making targets harder to identify.

[Jeff-Groves]

I'm told counter attacks on Cyber from Russia are having a great impact!
Did you know that some of the software was taken from a friend of mine?
So who best to counter?

[Skybird]

Read somewhere that Russia had sent saboteur into Ukraine. Maybe it is these who wear Ukrainian uniform

Edit
Read this in a comment from a Danish politician

Ukraine has, according to Ukrainian sources, lost:
3,500 soldiers, 200 have been captured.
14 airplane
8 helicopters
102 tanks
536 armored vehicles
15 artillery
Since the war started
End edit

Markus
I just heard comparable numbers on TV, Markus - but they were given as Russian losses, according to Ukrainian sources.

As long as both sides' losses are not equal.

I fear that the Ukrainians are still fighting with the first attack echelon. The Russians bring in the second now, with some real mean weapons.

I cnanot imagien the moral of Russian units beign too good now in that first echelon. They must have sdtarted to relaise that the relaity as it was described to them doe snto meet the reality they are finding oujt there - and that speaks their language, is citie slike those they knowe at home, and has a people clubbing them form alld irecitons, with no desire shown to be liberated by the Russian invaders.

A German former NATO general said on TV that might be the reason why Putin has sent Chechnyan fighters in now. They are known to be brutal and remorseless and may not stop a tank from rolling over a civilian protester where as Russian tank drivers have been seen onm videos who stopped the tank.

I am very very concerned about those thermobaric weapons and the people in the subway for shelter. If the Russians use these weapons in civilian places and cities, they break every convention on warfare there is. It would be war crimes at minimum, but I would rate it even, due to its systematic ambition, as genocide.

[mapuc]

I just heard comparable numbers on TV, Markus - but they were given as Russian losses, according to Ukrainian sources.

As long as both sides' losses are not equal.

And again you are correct

https://kyivindependent.com/national/russia-faces-heavy-losses-as-it-attacks-ukraine-on-all-fronts/

Which makes me wonder how much Ukraine has lost in the war.
Heard something like 198 dead whereof 3 was children-Must be civilians

Markus

[Andreas86]

Russian tanks, personell, BMPs, helos and fighter jets are taken out at a high rate, compared to what many expected. Hard to say if they are putting their best equipment into this, and it seems they are holding back a bit. Media makes a big deal out of Russias invasion being slowed down, but I would still say that the russians have gotten far in just a few days. If Russia really wanted to conquer Ukraine fast they would have surely used more brute force to establish air dominance? Why aren't cruise missiles and/or ballistic and hypersonic missiles raining down on the Ukrainan airfields and air defense sites if they really want to silence the air opposition? I would have expected them to saturate air bases with missiles if they want air superiority. Maybe the Russians want to do this somewhat surgically, to preserve men, airfields and infrastructure. But they did not expect the amount of resistance they have met -so it fails somewhat. But don't underestimate their capability yet. The Ukrainians puts up an enormous and brave fight, and it is quite a wake up call for Europe! Who knows what is next..? Certainly don't like how this escalates. How will Russia respond to being isolated economically, socially and politically? This is scary.

As for comparisons to the first Gulf War, the Iraqis did not possess the best in Soviet tech by any means. The iraqi tanks were lowest tier soviet exports, even lacking proper gunsights and other crucial tech. As for the air force and air defence, they never had a chance. The Iraqi army was beaten in most regards before the ground war even began. Nor were they motivated to fight. Thanks to superior technology, and once the IADS was taken out of play, Iraq never had a fighting chance.

But that does not mean the US or NATO for that matter would have had as easy a time in Europe back then, facing the best of Soviet armor, well trained personell and very capable combat aircraft. Like now things could have escalated fast, leaving less time to plan, and warfare in hard terrain is different from endless flat desert which allowed the US to advance reasonably fast around Saddams republican guard units, who were effectively blinded.

Don't forget that much of the weapons that Ukraine uses to fight the Russians now is old soviet equipment, like 3600 T-72s and 34 SU-27s, and the AK-47s they hand out like candy. It is not just Javelins and Stingers doing damage, but they sure like talking about them on TV.

[Skybird]

One thing is certain. The Ukrainians perform very, very impressively so far. The Russians have totally underestimated what they were embarking themselves into. There also seems to be no uprise by the Russian population against the ukraine government, instead the whole country kicks, shoots and clubs at the Russians and from all directions, no matter the chances.

:yeah:

Russia has switched off social media, I red earlier this day. It seems the many videos from the Ukraine shot by smartphone owners are something the thugs in the Kremlin do not want the Russians to see. If only we could flood the military communication networks with these films, it would be a cataclysmic "mood bomb" for Russian troop morale.

[nikimcbee]

Interview with Russian soldier from DNN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1s7JzF6hXk

[mapuc]

Again a speculation a thought

If the world agree on cutting Russia from this Swift-thing, which in my eyes is the same as an economical blockade-

Wonder how the Russian government see this step towards them ?

Markus

[ET2SN]

Don't read too much into this yet. :03:

Still, its a good look at what is going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRs7b1wVKL8

If Russia continues to do poorly, is that good or bad? :hmmm:
I'm couching this as if Putin has painted himself into a corner with no good ways to withdraw. Does that expand the conflict to the rest of Europe or even the entire northern hemisphere? Do the oligarchs in Moscow get tired and start looking for some new leadership to run the show? :hmmm:

Or, is this just looking at the bright spots in a very hazy picture?

[Andreas86]

If Russia continues to do poorly, is that good or bad? :hmmm:
I'm couching this as if Putin has painted himself into a corner with no good ways to withdraw. Does that expand the conflict to the rest of Europe or even the entire northern hemisphere? Do the oligarchs in Moscow get tired and start looking for some new leadership to run the show? :hmmm:

Or, is this just looking at the bright spots in a very hazy picture?


I feel you are right. Been thinking about the same thing all day.. No good way for Putin to withdraw, don't want to lose face, a possible russian coup, etc. But everyone has everything to loose if this grows bigger.

Edit: Also mapuc's good point about SWIFT. On top of all other sanctions, this could be taken as a very hostile step. Would not be surprised if Europe woke up soon to our infrastructure paralyzed because of cyber attacks.

[Skybird]

Its rumoured since eons that Putin is ill. May have leucemia. Treatment of it may weaken his immune system, which might explain his paranoia regarding Covid, and those long tables during recent fake talks.



Its also said that his isolation is hard to penetrate, and that only his closest advisers reach to him - and they all are hawks, old KGB school. This means we cannot say whether he controls them, or they control him by feeding him information that manipulates him in the way they want. Who is really the commander in the Russian house? I think that is a very relevant question. Mind you, Putin is a secret service guy, that is his power base - not the military. The militaries are said to have all warned him against the invasion. Possible that the big cats in the secret service have other plans.



Still, its also possible that Putin is in full control, and nobody dares to oppose his views. Then we have a situation like with Hitler at the end. Which means it is extremely dangerous and instabile. He may command desperate actions with nobody daring to stop them. Thats is the main reason why I am so very much alarmed about those thermobaric weapons brought into place. I think he is determined to use them. Like Hitler said that if the Germans dissappoint his desire for vitory they then do not deserve to live on as a people and nation, Putin may say if the Ukrainians do not love him they do not deserve to live and so breaking their resistence by any means is acceptable. That is the logic of a psychopaths, and I say that as a former psychologist. Its one fo the key things one has to understand about a psychopath: he does reserve the right to use any ammount of force, manipulation, lie and brutality needed to enforce his will, he does not have empathy and no ability to "feel himself into other living beings", other life and other will is of no relevance to him he could even just perceive as a facotre valid. The difference between ethical and unethical, good or evil, do not mean anything for him, he simply lacks the ability to understand these conceptions, they mean nothing to him.



Spounds fmailiar? Ye,s Trumpo is like this, too. The difefrence is, Putin adds intelligence, Trump only his narcissism. Thats why he never was a match for Putin.



Thats why I repeatedly ask whether we can really take it for granted that Putin is mentally sane anymore. I am not taking that for granted anymore.


Paranoia could also play a role.



Who are the ones in charge in the Kremlin and what is their mental sanity status? Thats the two most relevant questions we should be aware of, and I think they have become relevant for the whole world now. There is a threat implied that affects every nation on the globe. Possible that Putin by now is just a remote-controlled figurehead, carefully manipulated in his perception of what goes on by carefully tailored and manipulated briefings and intel informations. I do not know for sure, but I consider that to be possible.


I fear the Ukrainians have the worst still ahead of them. I hope I am wrong, I really do.

[Skybird]

News agencies report the USA, France, Canada, Italy, Great Britain, the EU Commission and Germany have decided on further tough financial sanctions against Russia. Russian banks, which are already sanctioned by the international community, will be excluded from the international payment system Swift. As far as necessary, other Russian banks are to be added. Thus, these institutions are to be cut off from international financial flows.


Russia will retaliate. Lets see how much longer the gas will flow. Still, going this direction is the only right way to go for us all. Now this way needs to be walked on to the end: all banks must be added, the boycott of Russian banks must be complete.

[mapuc]

^ If Russia cut it's gas flow to Europe as a retaliation then it's not only Germany who will suffer. Even Denmark who buy a lot of gas from Russia gazprom.

Denmark could supply itself with gas, but since some year back one of the gas field-Thyra has been shut down-It was cheaper to buy Russian gas than use own gas.

Some days ago the Danish government said to Oersted that this gas field Thyra should produce gas again-if Russia cut the gas to Denmark.

The response the government got was.

It will take about a year before we again can send gas from Thyra field to Denmark.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Considering the Germans sudden change of heart of now wanting to ship arms and help Ukraine. Maybe it’s a sign things really are going bad for Russia, or not. Why else would they? Either way because publicly the German weasels gotta look like they tried for the media you know lol.


April 2006



Poland accused Germany yesterday of conspiring with Russia to threaten central Europe in a manner that recalled the deal between Hitler and Stalin to carve up Poland before the second world war.

In a bitter attack on German policies towards central Europe, Radek Sikorski, the Polish defence minister, accused Berlin of hypocrisy, advocating common EU foreign, security, and energy policies while failing to consult EU allies.

The target was the deal between Berlin and Moscow last year to bypass eastern and central Europe with a new pipeline under the Baltic Sea linking Russia directly with Germany.

Poland, dependent on Russian power supplies and at odds with its former overlord, fears the pact will let the Kremlin punish its former subjects in central Europe by turning off the energy taps without jeopardising its lucrative and politically important energy supplies to western Europe.


"Poland has a particular sensitivity to corridors and deals above our head," Mr Sikorski told a transatlantic security conference in Brussels. "That was the Molotov-Ribbentrop tradition. That was the 20th century. We don't want any repetition of that," he said.

Mr Sikorski said Poland had asked Chancellor Angela Merkel to review the controversial gas deal. "We asked. She refused," Mr Sikorski said.

Germany and Russia made the deal before last year's German election which the then chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, lost. He has since been given a lucrative post overseeing the project being built by the Russian gas monopoly Gazprom and two large German energy corporations.

Ms Merkel, some of her cabinet, and German industrialists spent most of last week at a summit with the Russians in Siberia and are sticking to the gas pact.

The Poles are the most vocal but far from the only critics of the gas deal, which Warsaw insists is motivated by politics rather than economics since it would be much cheaper to upgrade existing pipelines connecting Russia with western Europe via Belarus and Poland.

Poland's attack was echoed by unusually frank criticism from the Brussels energy commissioner who said the pipeline deal set an unhappy precedent for the EU's bid to coin a common energy plan.

[Gorpet]

No Boots don't mean jack!
Only reason you put Boots on the ground is to claim that ground with Troops.
What if one only wants to wipe other Troops and leave a wide swatch of dead behind for others to bury?

The first thing that comes out of the mouth of an American Politician.We will not put boots on the ground.Then they do every time, never fails. Oh and who follows British troops. We certainly are living in exciting times.Nato and the EU has got it's ass squeezed. Putin and Xi Jinping are the winners of this chess game. Silly Rabbits.

[Rockstar]

Couple of days old but still good info

https://youtu.be/EVE8qPX9uT4

[Armistead]

The first thing that comes out of the mouth of an American Politician.We will not put boots on the ground.Then they do every time, never fails. Oh and who follows British troops. We certainly are living in exciting times.Nato and the EU has got it's ass squeezed. Putin and Xi Jinping are the winners of this chess game. Silly Rabbits.

Not Putin, but Jinping certainly is playing chess, first with the virus and China has the US wearing itself out economically, but Putin isn't gonna gain anything out of this, even if he gets Ukraine, it'll be decades before Russia can take advantage of any of its natural resources.

[Reece]

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.ad82dc1627ed8f7a9f5b2bd9b0795d57?rik=pS2Nz%2fmQw 8YNwg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.crazyhyena.com%2fimagebank%2f g%2ffunny-putin-the-Gasfather-uriel.jpg&ehk=d7w%2fWrcg6DQ8eVDWKsYscjbT%2fkQr81GLB7wRw2ia3q I%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

[em2nought]

Putin isn't gonna gain anything out of this, even if he gets Ukraine, it'll be decades before Russia can take advantage of any of its natural resources.


Putin gets territory he can trade for time versus the inevitable onslaught of Islam from Western Europe.


Our mainstream media is going to push for a fight with Putin because to them, next to Trump, Putin is the next most evil "white" man. All democrat leaders excluded from being "evil white men" of course only conservatives or repentant communists need apply. :har: Plus the media need to provide cover for Biden's ineptitude which a nice little(?) war will do just fine.

[LUKNER]

That's why Putin is angry!
Now you can really see what democracy and freedom of speech are worth!

[Catfish]

^ Wth is behind this link

[Jimbuna]

^ Wth is behind this link

Taken down until explained via PM

[Skybird]

Bubble-Olaf has announced in the Bundestag that the Bundeswehr will get 100 billion as a special budget in the "near future" for the most urgent and immediate repairs and rearmaments. Also the German defence budget suddenly should be raised above 2%.

Geht doch. :D



Whether the military administration even can handle to administer this money, is something else. The infficiency and tendency of the Bundeswehr to bog administrative things down and to a standstill, is legenadary. Money also doe sntoi solve the problem of way too few recruits and specialists.



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Kharkiv apparently is on the brink of falling, Russian troops are claimed to stand in the city centre. Maybe the Ukrainians can retake it?!

On this day, one can summarize at least this: the war is going badly for the Russians, and I am surprised by how much they have bogged own. the Russians perform worse than expected, and the Ukrainians perform much better than expected. Reports on day one that all airfields and air defences are down, obviously have been more rumour and Russian wishful thinking than fact, the Ukrainian air force is still flying, probably taking high losses, but the Russian air force also takes hurting losses, seems to want to engage in CAS without having air superiority - and that costs them.



Lesson to the West: the Ukrianian air force and gorudn forces have older platforms, the Russian more modern ones. Technology only gets you so and so far - and not further.


The war is absolutely not going like Putin can want it. This does not mean Ukraine can win, or that Russia will not win in the long run, they still have immense reserves and I fear these will in the end make the difference. The hoped uprise of the Russian ethnic groups in the Ukraine also seems to not take place, apparently they too confront the invaders.

Intimidating the Europeans to keep them away, also seems to work worse and worse, even wiht Putins strongest ally in the West, Germany. More and more hurting sanctions get decided, more and more weapons get delivered to the Ukraine, and I hope the supply does not stop.

Putin is in a corner he had put himself into. He cannot afford not to win this, so he will unleash all brutality needed to win this. If it happens to turn out that way, and while the chances are like that it is not certain at all, the Ukraine fights back very well, he will have no joy with his "triumph". His prestige is obliterated even with his closest political allies, the Russian people do not support what is happening, obviously, and all relations with the West he had set up to decieve them, have been shattered. For many many years Russia will have no access to technology anymore that it needs to maintain its oil and gas and airflight industry, and it will be unable to adapt to the declining demand of fossil fuels by boosting its production economy and modernise it.

No matter what happens to the Ukraine: Putin blew it. Stupid hateful sick old man. But fear the old men near death: they have nothing to lose.

The Ukraine still has a realistic chance. Not overhwelmingly, but the chance is there to get through this and not being subjugated to Russia'S command. We should deliver them all ammo fuel and weapons they ask for, the fighting they seem to be absolutely capable to do themselves, they need no intervention. So lets give them what they need!

And, who knows, maybe some brave sane mind in the Russian top ranks dares to do the unimaginable and shoots a bullet through Hitler's Putin's head. Probably will not happen, but ruling it out I don't.

Welcome in the cold war 2.0. Its real now, and its hot.

[Jimbuna]

'Putin is furious' Ex-Army Commander's staggering claims about how weak Russia really is.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-is-furious-ex-army-commanders-staggering-claims-about-how-weak-russia-really-is/ar-AAUlDG1?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

I certainly hope this article is accurate and true.

[Jimbuna]

Russian troops have entered Ukraine's second-largest city Kharkiv, say local officials.

Street fighting has been reported, with Ukraine posting pictures of burning Russian vehicles.

Ukraine claims 4,300 Russians have died in the invasion so far - this has not been verified.

Ukraine's defence minister hails his country's resistance, saying "the world doubted" them.

And the Ukrainian president has rejected negotiations with Russia in Belarus - saying the country has been used for attacks.

The Russian central bank calls for calm, amid fears of a mass withdrawal of cash.

Vladimir Putin hails his country's special forces for their work in Ukraine.

Almost 400,000 people have fled Ukraine since the invasion started, the UN says.

And Germany pledges a massive hike in defence spending, to meet the Nato 2% target.

[Skybird]

I certainly hope this article is accurate and true.
So do I!!

Also, this. Yesterday, or the night before, there was a news snippet on TV, shpwing Ukrainian civilianms shouting at an obvious Russian POV. The man looked extremely young, almsot a boy. He cowered on the ground, holding his head with helmet between his head, and did not move, just stared in what I interpreted as disbelief, complete disbelief. The Ukrianians did not beat him, did not kick him, just threw angry words at him, but he was not pohysically absued.

I felt compassion with that young man. Is this the "enemy"? That young man has just realised the world around him collapsing. He probably is a conscript, who was told he is going on a manouver, then that he is going to be part of the liberating of a brother people that will chant and enjoy being liberated and will welcome him with open arms because big father Putin is protecting the Rodina and the Ukraine from the evil West and all the blablabla from the propaganda books. And then he finds himself in this hell around him. Who knows what he has seen before. How many of his comrades he saw lying dead on the ground before he got captured. I would not assume that all Russian soldiers there want into battle enthisoiastically and singing songs. I absolutely doubt that.



But of course they must nevertheless be fought, unforgivingly, and with all determination. No doubt on that.


The upper ranks and decision makers -these are the ones that should be lined up against the wall. But I think many Russian ordinary soldiers are being turned into victims by Putin, like the Ukrainians are being turned into victims by Putin as well. Just that the latter bites back with all they have.

Alles Scheiße.

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine petitions international court to intervene immediately

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky says his country has brought a complaint against Russia at the International Court of Justice and is requesting its panel of judges to order a halt to Moscow's invasion.

The ICJ, which is based in The Hague, is the UN's top court and decides whether or not a state has breached international law.

The court cannot bring criminal charges against individual heads of state.

Ah well, good luck with that :doh:

[Skybird]

Where is Borrell when we need him? :D

[Jimbuna]

:haha:

[mapuc]

Russia may lose the war you say..

Putin is/could be sick in his mind-One of you wrote

This makes me wonder if he will use mass destruction weapons as a last resort.

Edit
I also follow the war on twitter. Here are some copied text

"All Russian units in Kharkiv eliminated.
Ukrainian military and home guard units have full control.
12:26 PM · Feb 27, 2022 from Ukraine·Twitter for Mac"

"Irpin, the city northwest of Kyiv, has been taken back ����10:55 AM · Feb 27, 2022 from Ukraine·Twitter for Mac"

"Ukraine’s Air Force has just received a large shipment of air-to-air missiles for our jet fighters 11:04 AM · Feb 27, 2022 from Ukraine·Twitter for Mac"

"The French Foreign Legion has decided that it will allow its Ukrainian soldiers to return to Ukraine with their full combat gear."

End edit

Markus

[Skybird]

And they did it, they claim! BBC just reports the Ukrainians have retaken control over Kharkiv!

[Jimbuna]

And they did it, they claim! BBC just reports the Ukrainians have retaken control over Kharkiv!

Hopefully accurate reporting. Call me biased but the BBC to me is the most believable news source.

[Buddahaid]

The not so great patriotic war. I wonder if Putin has been cast as Hitler in The Fall yet?

[Jimbuna]

The not so great patriotic war. I wonder if Putin has been cast as Hitler in The Fall yet?

Vladolf :03:

[mapuc]

Hopefully accurate reporting. Call me biased but the BBC to me is the most believable news source.

I use BBC as a reliable source too. First I read Danish then Swedish news and last BBC and sometime also CNN.

Edit
The new sanctions imposed last night will hit the ordinary Russian citizen on the wallet very hard.
End edit

Markus

[Armistead]

As many have pointed out it's interesting Putin's attack strategy. Why didn't he use cyberwarfare to shut Ukraine down before the attack? Would keeping Zelenskyy off air had any impact on morale? Thankfully Putin hasn't resorted to massive carpet bombing campaigns. It seems he's willing to take the slow approach and absorb losses rather than let the world see the monster he's been in the past, but he doesn't want his oil payments cut off, so he could care less how many of his conscripts die taking the meatgrinder approach. Until NATO actually cuts Putin's oil off, Putin will keep going since we're funding his invasion and it's doubtful we'll be able to fund Ukraine enuf now to stop it. Typical West approach, fund everyone. Course if we totally cut his energy off, he may take the gloves off. All I see is a long painful escalating war because of the energy game. As good as Ukraine is putting up a fight right now, the politics of energy will allow it in the short term.

[Andreas86]

So do I!!

Also, this. Yesterday, or the night before, there was a news snippet on TV, shpwing Ukrainian civilianms shouting at an obvious Russian POV. The man looked extremely young, almsot a boy. He cowered on the ground, holding his head with helmet between his head, and did not move, just stared in what I interpreted as disbelief, complete disbelief. The Ukrianians did not beat him, did not kick him, just threw angry words at him, but he was not pohysically absued.

I felt compassion with that young man. Is this the "enemy"? That young man has just realised the world around him collapsing. He probably is a conscript, who was told he is going on a manouver, then that he is going to be part of the liberating of a brother people that will chant and enjoy being liberated and will welcome him with open arms because big father Putin is protecting the Rodina and the Ukraine from the evil West and all the blablabla from the propaganda books. And then he finds himself in this hell around him. Who knows what he has seen before. How many of his comrades he saw lying dead on the ground before he got captured. I would not assume that all Russian soldiers there want into battle enthisoiastically and singing songs. I absolutely doubt that.

Fully agree with your point here. Also on the russian side there are young men, more often boys it seems, who are victims of circumstance. Many pictures has emerged on ukrainian news outlets of POWs. Most of them seem shameful, afraid and not arrogant / proud of their role.

The higher ranks seem to be roughed up and degraded a bit more.

A lot of information is streaming out of https://censor.net (https://censor-net), events are published as they happen, backed up with videos and photos. It takes quite some time before western media reports the same, so definitely recommended if you follow the war. What is really apparent is that Russia continues to lose a large amount of vehicles and choppers. Half an hour ago another 2 helos went down. If the number of armored vehicle losses is correct, 706 lost is just staggering..

@Armistead: Very, very true!

[Jimbuna]

The above link doesn't work :hmmm:

[Andreas86]

The above link doesn't work :hmmm:


Sorry, it is supposed to be: https://censor.net

I have just used google translate whole site to read it, although I see now you can just choose english from the menu in the upper left.. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Sorry, it is supposed to be: https://censor.net

I just use google translate whole site to read it, although I see now you can just choose english from the menu in the upper left.. :haha:

Working now thanks.

[Andreas86]

The Guardian and Sky News reports:

"Putin orders Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert".

"Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered his military to put the country’s nuclear deterrence forces on high alert in response to “aggressive statements” by NATO countries.

The order, which was announced by the TASS news agency, came at a meeting between Putin, defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia (https://www.theguardian.com/world/russia) Valery Gerasimov.

“Senior officials of the leading NATO countries also allow aggressive statements against our country, therefore I order the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff [of the Russian Armed Forces] to transfer the deterrence forces of the Russian army to a special mode of combat duty,” Putin said in the statement, which was quoted by state-run TASS.

It is not immediately clear what the “special mode of combat duty” entailed. Putin has warned foreign countries not to interfere in his ongoing invasion of Ukraine, saying it could lead to “consequences they have never seen.” He has positioned anti-air missiles and other advanced missile systems in Belarus and deployed his fleet to the Black Sea in an effort to prevent a western intervention in Ukraine (https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine).

[Jimbuna]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has confirmed that negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow will now be held at the Belarusian-Ukrainian border.

A statement from Mr Zelenskyy's office said the two delegations will meet "without preconditions" near the Pripyat River.

The development came after Alexander Lukashenko, the president of Belarus, called Mr Zelenskyy this afternoon.

The statement said Mr Lukashenko "takes responsibility for all planes, helicopters and missiles located on the Belarusian territory to stay on the ground during the time of arrival, negotiations and return of the Ukrainian delegation".

Earlier, Mr Zelenskyy had refused for Ukraine to meet with a Russian delegation in Belarus.

[Red Devil]

Abramobitch, what annoys me about him is everyone KNEW he was russian mafia, and did nothing.

[Red Devil]

Putin, according to FRance 24 tv, has put Russian NUCLEAR deterence force on high alert.

If he fires, Moscow will vanish under a mushroom.

Was listening to Ukrainian support here in the UK on GBNews. They already have trucks of aid heading for Poland for the Ukrainian refugees and millions in cybermoney has reached Ukrainian banks.

[mapuc]

The Guardian and Sky News reports:

"Putin orders Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert".

"Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered his military to put the country’s nuclear deterrence forces on high alert in response to “aggressive statements” by NATO countries.

The order, which was announced by the TASS news agency, came at a meeting between Putin, defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia (https://www.theguardian.com/world/russia) Valery Gerasimov.

“Senior officials of the leading NATO countries also allow aggressive statements against our country, therefore I order the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff [of the Russian Armed Forces] to transfer the deterrence forces of the Russian army to a special mode of combat duty,” Putin said in the statement, which was quoted by state-run TASS.

It is not immediately clear what the “special mode of combat duty” entailed. Putin has warned foreign countries not to interfere in his ongoing invasion of Ukraine, saying it could lead to “consequences they have never seen.” He has positioned anti-air missiles and other advanced missile systems in Belarus and deployed his fleet to the Black Sea in an effort to prevent a western intervention in Ukraine (https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine).

This is very scary thing to read.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Putin, according to FRance 24 tv, has put Russian NUCLEAR deterence force on high alert.

If he fires, Moscow will vanish under a mushroom.

Was listening to Ukrainian support here in the UK on GBNews. They already have trucks of aid heading for Poland for the Ukrainian refugees and millions in cybermoney has reached Ukrainian banks.

Three posts up

[Red Devil]

ok thanks. I must have skipped a page.

The following country's have closed their airspaces today, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, Netherlands, Czech, and others. Aeroflot face hundreds of not thousands of miles in fly around routes.

Thousands of foreign volunteers are arriving, or on their way, to Ukraine. So much so, Ukraine President said he was forming foreign legions.

oh yeah, nearly forgot. Elon Musk was asked to make starlink available to all Ukraine, he agreed.

[Skybird]

Its official now, Putin has lost all his remaining senses.

It also raises a question that must be answered but that we cannot like to answer: what do we do if he uses nuclear weapons inside Ukraine?

We cannot afford to just do nothing or just run economic sanctions then. Nuclear attacks in the Ukraine - how do we react to that monstrous crime?

One and two weeks ago I thought this scenario might always be unrealistic, and that Markus was way off with his voiced concerns: that the thing escalates further and draw NATO into the conflict and we then end up in a world war.

But I can no longer rule that out. Putin has put himself into a corner, and he has no other choice anymore than to escalate further if he still wants to "win" the military part of this conflict that he has started.

Thats a dilemma for the whole world now.

[mapuc]

Its official now, Putin has lost all his remaining senses.

It also raises a question that must be answered but that we cannot like to answer: what do we do if he uses nuclear weapons inside Ukraine?

We cannot afford to just do nothing or just run economic sanctions then. Nuclear attacks in the Ukraine - how do we react to that monstrous crime?

One and two weeks ago I thought this scenario might always be unrealistic, and that Markus was way off with his voiced concerns: that the thing escalates further and draw NATO into the conflict and we then end up in a world war.

But I can no longer rule that out. Putin has put himself into a corner, and he has no other choice anymore than to escalate further if he still wants to "win" the military part of this conflict that he has started.

Thats a dilemma for the whole world now.

According a Danish article we shouldn't be afraid. The step taken by Putin is nothing more than a message to NATO and Ukraine.
He will not use them said an expert.

I truly hope he's right about that.

Here is the Danish article translated into English

- It is primarily about Russia responding to NATO's increased preparedness and sanctions. It is basically Putin who rolls up his sleeve, flexes and says "see my big upper arm". It is designed to scare, and therefore it is important that we do not let ourselves be intimidated by it, but beat cold water in the blood, it sounds from Breitenbauch.

https://nyheder-tv2-dk.translate.goog/udland/2022-02-27-rusland-oeger-sit-atomberedskab-siger-putin?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Skybird]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has confirmed that negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow will now be held at the Belarusian-Ukrainian border.

A statement from Mr Zelenskyy's office said the two delegations will meet "without preconditions" near the Pripyat River.

The development came after Alexander Lukashenko, the president of Belarus, called Mr Zelenskyy this afternoon.

The statement said Mr Lukashenko "takes responsibility for all planes, helicopters and missiles located on the Belarusian territory to stay on the ground during the time of arrival, negotiations and return of the Ukrainian delegation".

Earlier, Mr Zelenskyy had refused for Ukraine to meet with a Russian delegation in Belarus.Lukashenko. Who last year rerouted a plane just to get hands on a wanted one. Who just has fallen back into orbiting the sovjet centre of his union with Putin to whiom he now is nothign mroe again thatn just a vasall, like Putin always wanted. I do not think Lukashenko can guarantee what he has promised even if he intends to keep that promise. I hope that Ukrainian delegation knows what they are doing. Even if they stop at the border, it sounds like a suicide squad to me. Nothing in Belarus is trustworthy, absolutely nothing.

[Skybird]

According a Danish article we shouldn't be afraid. The step taken by Putin is nothing more than a message to NATO and Ukraine.
He will not use them said an expert.


Just four days ago experts said he will not invade.

[mapuc]

Just four days ago experts said he will not invade.

I have edit my text added this Danish translated article.

Edit
Use of ordinary weapon we will not know of-We can't see or hear bombs being dropped in Ukraine, but use of nuke we will notice-Our electronic would die. I think it will.
End edit

Markus

[Red Devil]

First - Experts? Experts at what? They know nothing but are paid huge sums to know nothing. I remember an 'expert' on tv during the Gulf War. He was a young ,failed and dismissed spotty officer, formerly of the british army, who was useless. His only claim to fame was the gift of the gob. He had only been 'in 5 mins'.

Putin has sent in Chechnian separatists (moslem) into Ukraine with orders to kill, kill, kill. They were observed kneeling in the forest, facing east, praying, prior to embarking across the border. This is not conjecture, it was reported in the Daily Mail by a journalistic witness.

[Skybird]

First - Experts? Experts at what? They know nothing but are paid huge sums to know nothing. I remember an 'expert' on tv during the Gulf War. He was a young ,failed and dismissed spotty officer, formerly of the british army, who was useless. His only claim to fame was the gift of the gob. He had only been 'in 5 mins'.

Putin has sent in Chechnian separatists (moslem) into Ukraine with orders to kill, kill, kill. They were observed kneeling in the forest, facing east, praying, prior to embarking across the border. This is not conjecture, it was reported in the Daily Mail by a journalistic witness.
Yes, and it was meanwhile reported this morning/noon that the Ukrainians have found and confronted their commandos either in Kyiv or Kharkiv (I forgot) and put them down.

[Onkel Neal]

The Guardian and Sky News reports:

"Putin orders Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert".

"Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered his military to put the country’s nuclear deterrence forces on high alert in response to “aggressive statements” by NATO countries.

The order, which was announced by the TASS news agency, came at a meeting between Putin, defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia (https://www.theguardian.com/world/russia) Valery Gerasimov.

“Senior officials of the leading NATO countries also allow aggressive statements against our country, therefore I order the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff [of the Russian Armed Forces] to transfer the deterrence forces of the Russian army to a special mode of combat duty,” Putin said in the statement, which was quoted by state-run TASS.

It is not immediately clear what the “special mode of combat duty” entailed. Putin has warned foreign countries not to interfere in his ongoing invasion of Ukraine, saying it could lead to “consequences they have never seen.” He has positioned anti-air missiles and other advanced missile systems in Belarus and deployed his fleet to the Black Sea in an effort to prevent a western intervention in Ukraine (https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine).

Yeah, he isn't shy about using his nukes as threats. He's been doping that quite openly for some years. Man, if that doesn't alert people to the danger Russia poses to the world, I don't know what will. I don't think any Russian/Soviet leader made as many veiled threats as this gangster.

Too many people allow normalcy bias to influence their thinking, "oh, he's not insane, he wouldn't do anything like that, it would mean his own country would be destroyed..." Right. Let me remind you that the last dictator to start a major war in Europe would have used nukes in a heartbeat. As his regime was crumbling he gave a flood of orders to destroy his own country, believing if he could not win, they may as well go down with him.

A limited or even full nuclear exchange is not unlikely. We've all grown up used to sleeping on the edge of a cliff.

[Dowly]

Just four days ago experts said he will not invade.
Eh, some maybe but already last weekend(-ish) it was anticipated that they invasion would start on Wednesday.

[mapuc]

One thing is putting a country’s nuclear deterrence forces on high alert another thing is use these weapons.

I'm not an expert on psychology or Russian politics so I can't say if Putin has decided to use 1-2 tactical nukes in Ukraine or if Putin has ordered his military to put the country’s nuclear deterrence forces on high alert as a negotiation weapon in the negotiation with Ukraine.

Markus

[Anvar1061]

https://sun9-66.userapi.com/impg/lozE-aX0xFlw_GwWHgcfINKRfwxC7mzdyC2mpw/YfzoWR34_TQ.jpg?size=547x412&quality=95&sign=0103ede781492746d3e4af73cdd6fd2e&type=album

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SSE4PD1gd8

[Skybird]

Eh, some maybe but already last weekend(-ish) it was anticipated that they invasion would start on Wednesday.And in the week before, and two weeks earlier. Rememeber the ocking of Lavrov about Biden'S announcement?

Problem was, it were Americnas making these wanrign and elts face it, Powell and his white-powder-trick and the claimed WMD of Saddam not having been there, still are "fallouting" on the american intel and diplomatic porestige - we do not believe as easily anymore if something comes just from american sources.

Then there was that German admiral two or three weeks ago, who got fired, and next the former generla oinspecteur of the Bundeswerhr, Kujat, also havign been completely wrong. and then quite some more or less "experts" and diplomats as well.

Myself, I at least became increasingly shaky in the past 4, 5 weeks, and until the mid-Olympics or so did not seriously believe the Russians go all in.

In the past 10, 14 days or so before the attack however I was more or less convinced that they would.

In all media outlets, there were many political and former military voices who doubted that the Russians are not bluffing. Those who said it is all real, were clearly in the minority.

[Jimbuna]

Thousands of people have gathered in Moscow, St Petersburg and beyond to participate in anti-war protests.

Photographs from the ground captured riot police arresting those standing peacefully, with scenes in St Petersburg quickly descending into chaos.

Now, it is understood Russian police have detained more than 900 people at pro-Ukraine demonstrations in 44 cities.

This takes the total number of arrests since 24 February to 4,000, according to an independent protest monitoring group.

Possibly the only people Vladolf will take notice of.....if anyone at all.

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SSE4PD1gd8
How trustworthy are videos from obscure sources that claim to report facts but do the narration with a robot voice...?


Not at all.



Was true with the Brexit videos, probably is true with these ones now.

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, the media are probably having what we in the UK call 'a field day'

[Dowly]

Air raid sirens sounding in Kiev, started about 4 minutes ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZebYm-nenY

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/TPZq9YMY/FLEJQj-VWQAAc3-H1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Jy5k78z9)

[em2nought]

It seems kind of odd that people who hated Vietnam Veterans seem to just love Ukrainians. :D:hmmm:

[blackswan40]

Standard Russian Military doctrine just ramping up the pressure Russian Nuke forces on hi alert that does'nt mean nuke subs and silo commanders puting launch keys in control desks.
Could be just tactical nuke forces on a state of readiness but if he used a cruise tactical nukes in Ukraine he would be damed into hell think of it more as Mr Putin upping the anti before negotiations start hes not in a position of strenght this is turning into Putins Folly nightmare.
the lighting blitzkrieg that was going to sweep into Ukraine and swallow up the country in 24/48 hours asn't happened the Ukrainians have put up one hell of a defence of their homeland hats off to them.
Re Russian Military doctrine all bluster akin to a light bulb that burns britest just before the bulb goes pop as we say in yorksire Mr Putin your full of wind n piss he will have seen Ukrainian civilians making molotov cocktails to welcome Putins Russian chuffnuts when they get to Kiev



Ps dont tell Boris theres a kneesup in Kiev :D

[Jimbuna]

I sincerely hope you're right matey.

[Andreas86]

I have edit my text added this Danish translated article.

Edit
Use of ordinary weapon we will not know of-We can't see or hear bombs being dropped in Ukraine, but use of nuke we will notice-Our electronic would die. I think it will.
End edit

Markus


A high altitude airburst over Europe possibly would. Wasn't that Soviets nuclear doctrine? First a high altitude EMP airburst to disable everything, then the city killers follow.. But I don't think a ground detonation in Ukraine would affect electronics in Denmark. I hope to God we never find out.

[Skybird]

The costs for poil are rising, but Russia sells less of it and maybe sells even lesser in the future - becauwe it ma yboycott Europoe, or becasue Europpe does not want to buy anymore.


How will this play out financially, in the longer run? Russia has used the past years for stockpiling huge foreign currency reserves, gold, and reducing drastically its dependency on the dollar and former dolalr reserves.


We must stop buying their oil and gas, even if it hurts us. We finance their war. Directly.

[Jimbuna]

The European Union has announced that it intends to begin shipping arms to Ukraine, the first time in its history it has taken such a step.

Speaking at a press conference this afternoon, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the move marked a "watershed moment".

She also announced a raft of new sanctions targeting Russia and Belarus, and a ban on Russia using European airspace.

EU starting to talk tough.

[Rockstar]

I hear a lot about Ukrainian real estate changing hands in the North but that could be an effort to divert Ukrainian resources away from Russia’s real objective. Considering the Ukrainian Army Chief of Staff a few days ago believes Russias intention is to liberate the Donbass and establish a land corridor to Crimea.

I gotta ask does anyone know what’s happening along highway M14, Donetsk, Melitoplo and Crimea?

[mapuc]

We must not forget why Putin has put his nuclear forces on higher alert-It's not because it go badly in Ukraine-It should be because of NATO's aggressive towards Russia.
Of course
Putin may as a last resort use small tactical 2-4 kiloton nukes in Ukraine-If he begin to lose the war.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Seems he's not doing so well right now.
Best head down to the blast shelters now if he's that Bat **** Crazy!
:o

[Jimbuna]

We must not forget why Putin has put his nuclear forces on higher alert-It's not because it go badly in Ukraine-It should be because of NATO's aggressive towards Russia.
Of course
Putin may as a last resort use small tactical 2-4 kiloton nukes in Ukraine-If he begin to lose the war.

NATO have not shown or talk of aggressive intent but rather bolstered or are planning to bolster current troop positions in the eastern states as a direct result of a Russian military invasion into an adjoining country of the aforementioned NATO eastern members.

Sometimes I wonder if you believe the Russian propaganda rhetoric.

[Jimbuna]

BP to offload 19.75% stake in Russian state-owned oil firm Rosneft after Russia's "act of aggression in Ukraine"

[mapuc]

NATO have not shown or talk of aggressive intent but rather bolstered or are planning to bolster current troop positions in the eastern states as a direct result of a Russian military invasion into an adjoining country of the aforementioned NATO eastern members.

Sometimes I wonder if you believe the Russian propaganda rhetoric.

No I do not believe Russian propaganda or our news flow about Ukraine- I just try to figure out why Putin gave this order.

Is it as he said due to NATO being aggressive or due to something else ?

Markus

[Andreas86]

While NATO is not currently aggressive in the form of direct military action, I would presume that the huge flow of weapons and equipment from NATO allied countries into Ukraine is taken as aggression in Russia.

[Jeff-Groves]

Pretty much why Germany started sinking US Ships in WWII.
Lend lease.

[Jimbuna]

Pretty much why Germany started sinking US Ships in WWII.
Lend lease.

And we all know how that panned out :03:

[Aktungbby]

I was slightly wrong...we should be at DEFCON 1 and launch on Moscow now; and simply get on with Vlad's idea of history!

We must not forget why Putin has put his nuclear forces on higher alert-It's not because it go badly in Ukraine-It should be because of NATO's aggressive towards Russia.
Of course
Putin may as a last resort use small tactical 2-4 kiloton nukes in Ukraine-If he begin to lose the war.

Markus
Seems he's not doing so well right now.
Best head down to the blast shelters now if he's that Bat **** Crazy!
:oI was hoping Biden would read my post...not Putin. That said, Hitler ordered the destruction of Germany's assets as the allies closed in; not carried out by Speer and other Nazis. Perhaps megalomaniac Putin, his troops having lost the Blitz in their multipronged Kreig, is thinking along the lines of a similar Götterdämmerung. His craving for respect among nations is seriously "gone a glimmering'...:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

The clip below is a little over five minutes long and despite the fact it is five years old next month simply change the names to some of those who are in power today and you have imho a dose of 'food for thought'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUBY6bMZn8w

[UglyMowgli]

Canada just close it's airspace to Russian planes


EU C omission will buy and deliver weapons to Ukraine (a 1st in its history), also all EU members closed their respective airspace to Russia (no landing or take off), ban RT news and Sputnik,


Sweden will send 5000 AT4 anti tank rocket to Ukraine with rations, helmets and body armor.

[mapuc]

While NATO is not currently aggressive in the form of direct military action, I would presume that the huge flow of weapons and equipment from NATO allied countries into Ukraine is taken as aggression in Russia.

And now you can count Denmark as part of NATO sending weapons to Ukraine.

2700 shoulder-bearing anti-tank missiles
300 Stinger missile system.

Denmark is as other NATO member sending defensive weapon to Ukraine-Not offensive. If you count air -to- air missile as offensive then NATO has sent both defensive and offensive weapon.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Ya know, I think Putin will interpret all this sending of 6,000,000 anti tank rockets to Ukraine as Western interference. Looks like his bluff is being called. Hope it's just a bluff.... :hmmm:

[Andreas86]

Canada just close it's airspace to Russian planes


EU C omission will buy and deliver weapons to Ukraine (a 1st in its history), also all EU members closed their respective airspace to Russia (no landing or take off), ban RT news and Sputnik,


Sweden will send 5000 AT4 anti tank rocket to Ukraine with rations, helmets and body armor.


Sweden just moved some steps up on Putins hitlist.. :o Thought they would stay out.

My girlfriend and I watched "The Day After" half a year ago. It is still a very sobering and gut wrenching movie. Didn't expect the current rhetoric between east and west in this age.. But still I am not surprised. Our safety "bubble" has been brutally bursted.

[mapuc]

There's one thing in all this evilness I see as positive-Russia wants to negotiate with Ukraine.

Of course this positive thought could quickly become negative depending on what Russia comes up with in these negotiation.

I hope Russia has come to its senses and understand that they have done wrong.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Russia has destroyed the "Dream" the An-225 "Mria" ("A Dream" in Ukrainian)

[Jeff-Groves]

And we all know how that panned out :03:

Yep! A bunch of Mods for a Game that lets you play the Losers side!
:har:

[Jimbuna]

Yep! A bunch of Mods for a Game that lets you play the Losers side!
:har:

:haha::up:

[Armistead]

The sanctions, tho getting to the limits, excluding energy payments. If this escalates Putin has to have a reasonable out to save face, or if we go full blast and cut off all oil energy he'll likely take the gloves off and then it's going to get very bad for Ukraine. I don't see Putin going anywhere. I think the only hope as it escalates someone sneaks up very close behind him. I really wonder if this is even possible.

[Jeff-Groves]

:haha::up:

I wonder if our Old Friends Dan and Team are working on a new Game right now?
:haha:

[Susexx]

It is high time for the whole world to sit down at the negotiating table. And Europe and the USA and Russia and China. The problem is that everyone wants to fix not themselves, but someone else. Sanctions will not benefit everyone, then Russia will begin to act with sanctions, and this is not only oil and gas, but also nickel. aluminum, wood, rare earth metals, wheat, closure of the Northern Sea Route, no-fly zone. Who will get better from this ? Presidents come and go, but people stay. And if a global conflict does start , there will be no winners . The Perimeter system has not gone away and is working.

[Jeff-Groves]

. I think the only hope as it escalates someone sneaks up very close behind him. I really wonder if this is even possible.
I recall a certain person that believed hiding in Pakistan near a Military base was a safe hangout.
That didn't turn out real well for him.

[Jimbuna]

I wonder if our Old Friends Dan and Team are working on a new Game right now?
:haha:

They are that close to the Ukraine in geographical terms I hope they put in a quick exit strategy.

[Jeff-Groves]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOoXwxqeVzg

[Catfish]

Chechen special unit destroyed (translation by Google)

https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/Tschetschenische-Sondereinheit-in-Ukraine-zerschlagen-article23158727.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Jimbuna]

Ukrainian forces say they have repelled an attack on the country's second city Kharkiv after fierce clashes with Russian forces.

Regional governor Oleh Synehubov said the city was now rid of Russian troops - after street-to-street fighting.

Thousands spent the night in basements and shelters, with intense shelling described by one resident as "something like Star Wars above your head".

"The wave of the blast was so strong that my ears popped," another said.

A nine-storey residential tower was hit, emergency services said, killing an elderly woman while about 60 people survived after hiding in the basement.

Russian troops also blew up a natural gas pipeline nearby, according to a Ukrainian state communications agency.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60543087

[mapuc]

They are that close to the Ukraine in geographical terms I hope they put in a quick exit strategy.

If I remember correctly Dan lives in Romania in the Capitol Bucharest

Markus

[Rockstar]

There's one thing in all this evilness I see as positive-Russia wants to negotiate with Ukraine.

Of course this positive thought could quickly become negative depending on what Russia comes up with in these negotiation.

Markus


According to below article it doesn’t leave Ukraine with a whole lot wiggle room to negotiate. However I don’t think things are moving exactley the way Putin first thought they would.


Putin voiced the first ultimatum on February 23, when he said that in order for Moscow and Kiev to negotiate peace, Ukraine will need to:

conduct demilitarization,
refuse to join NATO,
hold direct negotiations with the DPR and LPR.

Читайте больше на https://english.pravda.ru/world/150449-russia_ukraine_war/

[Jeff-Groves]

If I remember correctly Dan lives in Romania in the Capitol Bucharest

Markus


Yes.

[Jimbuna]

If I remember correctly Dan lives in Romania in the Capitol Bucharest

Markus

And therefore a land border with Ukraine.

[Catfish]

It is high time for the whole world to sit down at the negotiating table.
Yes, but why now and not before the invasion? Remember this long table?
In the meantime Putin has put nuclear forces on high alert, escalating tensions.
Sanctions will not benefit everyone, then Russia will begin to act with sanctions, and this is not only oil and gas, but also nickel. aluminum, wood, rare earth metals, wheat, closure of the Northern Sea Route, no-fly zone.
There is a whole other world out there with resources. And we will see, this is against Putin and his loyal oligarchs, not against Russia per se. As you and someone else long ago said, the dictators come and go, but the people stay.

"Btw" i want to apologize for my rant a few days ago. This was uncalled for, i know we see things differently and this was wrong. I do not take back anything i said about Putin.

[Jeff-Groves]

Haven't heard or seen a lot from Dan in awhile.
Even the forum seems dead over there.

https://inthekillhouse.com/forum/index.php

[Catfish]

Another Putin convoy Group V destroyed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQFxnmY8hss

[mapuc]

In my opinion there's not doubt that Russia has misjudged the entire thing.
And now it backfire on them.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Haven't heard or seen a lot from Dan in awhile.
Even the forum seems dead over there.

https://inthekillhouse.com/forum/index.php

Spends some time on FB

[Jeff-Groves]

I also wonder about Alex. (Anvart)

[Jimbuna]

Another Putin convoy Group V destroyed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQFxnmY8hss

Is it just me or shouldn't there be bodies in the immediate vicinity?

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok_NChomytQ

[Jeff-Groves]

Is it just me or shouldn't there be bodies in the immediate vicinity?

There could be many reason for bodies not shown.

1. Bodies were removed prior to the filming
2. In an attack Troops deployed from vehicles as is standard doctrine
3. To avoid being dropped from some sites? No bodies are shown.

I wasn't Mech Infantry but cross trained in Mech. If Convoy took a hit you bailed out of Mechs and took up fighting positions.
The big stuff coming in was aiming for the Mechs so you stood a better chance to survive or un-arse the AO!

[Catfish]

Is it just me or shouldn't there be bodies in the immediate vicinity?
Seldom shown in videos, and if they are blurred out.

[Catfish]

EU airspace shut down to Russian planes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAHzr1jROfg

[Jimbuna]

There could be many reason for bodies not shown.

1. Bodies were removed prior to the filming
2. In an attack Troops deployed from vehicles as is standard doctrine
3. To avoid being dropped from some sites? No bodies are shown.

I wasn't Mech Infantry but cross trained in Mech. If Convoy took a hit you bailed out of Mechs and took up fighting positions.
The big stuff coming in was aiming for the Mechs so you stood a better chance to survive or un-arse the AO!

Seldom shown in videos, and if they are blurred out.

Rgr that.

[Catfish]

In my opinion there's not doubt that Russia has misjudged the entire thing. And now it backfire on them.
Markus
Don't say "Russia", say Putin.

[Catfish]

The Chechen leader Kadyrov threatens kid.
No wonder Putin shut off social media in Russia :haha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv8qYZPANi0

[Jimbuna]

EU airspace shut down to Russian planes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAHzr1jROfg

Do try to keep up Kai :)

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2795861&postcount=1166

:03:

[Susexx]

Yes, but why now and not before the invasion? Remember this long table?
In the meantime Putin has put nuclear forces on high alert, escalating tensions.

There is a whole other world out there with resources. And we will see, this is against Putin and his loyal oligarchs, not against Russia per se. As you and someone else long ago said, the dictators come and go, but the people stay.

"Btw" i want to apologize for my rant a few days ago. This was uncalled for, i know we see things differently and this was wrong. I do not take back anything i said about Putin.

Unfortunately, before the outbreak of hostilities, Zelensky communicated more with Biden, the head of the European Union and NATO. If there was an attempt, Zelensky could be called a Peacemaker. But this did not happen. And now everyone is shouting for peace, but instead of food and medicines for civilians, they are sending weapons, knowing full well that the Russian military machine is much superior to the Ukrainian one. This will certainly help peace in Ukraine. Apparently, no one ever needed the world. It's creepy. In the 21st century, a brother kills a brother, and the others stand nearby and only bring knives.
I am not angry for the last statement. Everything happens is emotions, we have different points of view and this is very good.

[Red Devil]

Yes, and it was meanwhile reported this morning/noon that the Ukrainians have found and confronted their commandos either in Kyiv or Kharkiv (I forgot) and put them down.I hope so. When quoting occurrences I must try and remember to quote source.

[mapuc]

According to below article it doesn’t leave Ukraine with a whole lot wiggle room to negotiate. However I don’t think things are moving exactley the way Putin first thought they would.

According to the news here in Denmark Both parties will meet without any obligation or demands it will be a kind of an open meeting between these two.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

a brother kills a brother,
That could be stated about the USA's Civil War.
And I'm sure many other Wars over Centuries!

We ARE a Hunter/Killer species. And people wonder why the Aliens don't want to contact us!
We'd pollute their lives if not try to conquer them!

[Andreas86]

Is it just me or shouldn't there be bodies in the immediate vicinity?


If there is almost nothing left of the armor I doubt soft bodies would hold much integrity.

[Jimbuna]

If there is almost nothing left of the armor I doubt soft bodies would hold much integrity.

Not a single one?

[Susexx]

EU airspace shut down to Russian planes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAHzr1jROfg

Russia closed its skies in response. Chinese airlines will make planes out of gold after that.
This is exactly what we discussed with you.:03:

[Jeff-Groves]

That area was cleansed before filming unless crews abandoned units before impact of heavy weapons.

In an attack on those Units? Bodies pretty much turn into mush but there is always a leg or something left.

I'd be inclined to think the Crews Cut and Ran like hell for safer areas.

I see no evidence they tried to turn the vehicles out of that kill zone.
I'd bet they saw what happened to Saddam's stuff and decided "I'm freaking outta here!"

[Andreas86]

Well yes, but I would imagine they were flung far away.. The ones that didn't take building kit form, that is. Censor.net has published a lot of pictures of burned out trucks and armor with charred bodies in Pompeii positions.


A Bayraktar drone caused this russian mess on the 24th. Cannot imagine much was left of those soldiers.


https://t.me/oleksiihoncharenko/10698


https://youtu.be/CmCJl7tjgBI

[Catfish]

Russia closed its skies in response. Chinese airlines will make planes out of gold after that.
This is exactly what we discussed with you.:03:
Yep, there will always be war profiteers one way or the other.
Re "in response" what do you expect the rest of the world will now do in response to Putin activating its nuclear "response"?
Putin's "response" almost sounds like his "peace keeping forces" invading Ukraine, so no one will misunderstand it now. He has been heard, but maybe he will regret it.

[Jeff-Groves]

It's not fun seeing the results in person.
I have first hand visual experience in that.
I really don't care to see images on any site.
I live with images in my head of the persons I killed.

[Aktungbby]

Is it just me or shouldn't there be bodies in the immediate vicinity?

There could be many reason for bodies not shown.

1. Bodies were removed prior to the filming
2. In an attack Troops deployed from vehicles as is standard doctrine
3. To avoid being dropped from some sites? No bodies are shown.

I wasn't Mech Infantry but cross trained in Mech. If Convoy took a hit you bailed out of Mechs and took up fighting positions.
The big stuff coming in was aiming for the Mechs so you stood a better chance to survive or un-arse the AO!

Seldom shown in videos, and if they are blurred out. AHEM! B 4 U speke do yer homework...Not only does Vlad the Bastard attempt a 'falseflag' attack ala Operation Himmler in 1939, but his Einsatzgruppen are well equipped for propaganda purposes against pißed-off babushka mommas on the home front! https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NINTCHDBPICT000714599251.jpg https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NINTCHDBPICT000714599249.jpg?w=620 The russian artillery trucks are well equipped with crematorium units to cover up the maßive death rate for glorious neoSoviet propaganda purposes...photos reveal Russia's fleet of mobile crematoriums used to incinerate dead soldiers amid fears they will use them to hide the true scale of the Ukraine war. The terrifying trucks can reduce bodies to ashes on the roadside, making it even easier for Vladimir Putin to downplay the human cost of the conflict. Soldiers can then crank up the heat to scorching temperatures, in a bid to avoid mountains of bodies piling up in public view. Russians have deployed the grim machinery alongside their usual military equipment for a number of years, but fears have now been raised they will become an all too familiar sight in Ukraine. They are able to camouflage in amongst the fleet of tanks and trucks, while concealing their sinister secret in plain sight. Defence Minister Ben Wallace told the Daily Telegraph: "If I was a soldier and knew that my generals had so little faith in me that they followed me around the battlefield with a mobile crematorium, or I was the mother or father of a son, potentially deployed into a combat zone, and my government thought that the way to cover up losses was a mobile crematorium, I’d be deeply, deeply worried.
"It’s a very chilling side effect of how the Russians view their forces." BOTTOM LINE: having eschewed global Ma'at, Vlad the Bastard is certainly covering up his failing Götterdämmerung!!?? I submit; WW III is underway. https://www.the-sun.com/news/4772273/russias-mobile-crematoriums-incinerate-dead-soldiers-ukraine/

[Jeff-Groves]

I doubt those have "Do not enter the oven" warning stickers!
I also doubt the 'easy bake ovens' were close behind a destroyed convoy.

[Aktungbby]

I doubt those have "Do not enter the oven" warning stickers!
I also doubt the 'easy bake ovens' were close behind a destroyed convoy. Either way, Vlad the Bastard is a real Ash-hole

[Andreas86]

Or maybe, like WW2 torpedo tubes, that is just where they keep the booze..

[Jeff-Groves]

Maybe. But on a logistical level? It does make a lot of sense.
No more burial details and easier to ship the ashes home.
Not exactly what us Westerners would do what with 'No one left behind'.
But War is hell.

[Skybird]

They explained on TV that as far as NATO knows the Russians have a four stage scheme for activating their nuclear weapons, and are now on level 2 of four.

I believe - I dont know, I simply speculate - that this is something in the range of the US DEFCON scale being somewhere around 4, maybe 3.

Its also quite common for the big players that they have their nuclear readiness checked when they have conflicts somewhere. I would not be surprised if someobdy tells me that during the Iraq wars the Americnans were at DEFCON 4 also, at least at critical times.

Also keep on mind that on isolated nuclear platforms, namely SLBMs, you practically always have special circumstances and an inherently raised state of "special alert".

I think Putin , involuntarily, revealed something here, and that is that the Western reactions make themselves negatively felt for him. We now must stop to buy any oil or gas or coal from him. Or ores. Only then the exclusion from SWIFT can be extended to all Russian banks. when there are no bills we must straighten, then there is no need to pay anything, and the Russian players are not needed anymore and can be kicked out.

We should further reward him NATO's medal of merits for services to unify and consolidate NATO, maybe he escalates again and then has his waxen head going Plopp! in anger.

[ET2SN]

Just some quick take-aways and IMHO:


- The nuclear option has been on the table since 1949. We had a chance of turning it off in the 1990's but everyone opted to just turn it down a notch.


-The big take-away about other countries sending arms is that they are getting delivered, somehow. :03:
That means Ukraine still has the infrastructure to move that stuff to the front(s). No one ships arms if they are only going to be displayed in Moscow.

-Ukraine is holding tough, for now. Russia wants to hold talks, already. That isn't how "Shock and Awe" is supposed to work. :hmmm:

[Susexx]

Well yes, but I would imagine they were flung far away.. The ones that didn't take building kit form, that is. Censor.net has published a lot of pictures of burned out trucks and armor with charred bodies in Pompeii positions.


A Bayraktar drone caused this russian mess on the 24th. Cannot imagine much was left of those soldiers.


https://t.me/oleksiihoncharenko/10698


https://youtu.be/CmCJl7tjgBI

These are shots from Syria, just mirrored. Fake. It has long been discussed on military forums.

[mapuc]

^ This show us that it's important to take what we read and hear about the war in Ukraine with a ton of salt.

Markus

[Catfish]

Meanwhile Putin has turned off social media, demonstrations against the invasion are crushed and thousands of demonstrants detained

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2022/2/25/photos-hundreds-arrested-as-russians-protest-invasion-of-ukraine

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220224-thousands-in-russia-protest-ukraine-war-hundreds-detained

https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/25/moscow-police-disperse-crowd-protesting-against-ukraine-war

[Jeff-Groves]

I just laugh when someone that has NEVER been in Combat shows videos
and claims to know the facts.

Get back to me when you have ACTUALLY SEEN with your own eyes how bodies evaporate or get blown into pieces that you have to wipe off your face.

[Catfish]

Demonstrations in Germany, Spain, France

Pictures from Berlin

https://i.imgur.com/lWsZzMTl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/f2lSPVxl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Q4zimWhl.jpg

[Skybird]

Ukraine says it has 200+ POWs, and it seems to be as I said earleir. Most of them are ver young men, Ukraine says, and they were told they were going into a manouver, and foudn themselve sin a hot war instead. They seem to be mentally absolutely ill-prepared, and morale they say is very low, there is plenty of confusion and fear amongst the ordinary Russian troops. Also, the Russian army seems to be much wors eprepared than one woudlk ajve expected, they are runnign low on fuel and missiles, adn thats why the fire them not as intensely as I would have expected. In stead, so the POVs, they fire them at random patterns and timing, and let them occaisonalyl stroll into civilian buuildings, to spread terror and panic, withou being held accountable for iontenmtionally targetting civilians.



The Ukrainians refuse to cooperate - they do not panic. They become angry instead.



Maybe its something in their blood. Their forefathers already fought a partisan war against the Nazis. ;)

[Andreas86]

These are shots from Syria, just mirrored. Fake. It has long been discussed on military forums.

There were more just an hour ago.

https://censor-net.translate.goog/ua/news/3319858/bayiraktar_znyschyv_buk_na_jytomyrschyni_video?_x_ tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Ok, its hard to keep track. Fake or not, my point was that I think the soldiers who were close would be torn to pieces from such blasts.

[Catfish]

We do not call people "crazy" anymore since last century, science has found certain character-changing diseases and pysical decay sicknesses, and names for this. Like borderline syndrome. Or dementia.
What i fear is Putin is 70 years old, sick, on corticoids, and it may well be he wants to leave with a bang. He gives a sh!t for fellow russians, or the world.

[Andreas86]

I just laugh when someone that has NEVER been in Combat shows videos
and claims to know the facts.

Get back to me when you have ACTUALLY SEEN with your own eyes how bodies evaporate or get blown into pieces that you have to wipe off your face.


Referring to anyone special?

[Jeff-Groves]

Fake or not, my point was that I think the soldiers who were close would be torn to pieces from such blasts.
Pieces correct. Pieces that should be evident but not in that video of the convoy.
I can recall a Trooper injured when a freaking arm from a target was blown out of the detonation area and hit him in the head!

[Susexx]

Meanwhile Putin has turned off social media, demonstrations against the invasion are crushed and thousands of demonstrants detained

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2022/2/25/photos-hundreds-arrested-as-russians-protest-invasion-of-ukraine

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220224-thousands-in-russia-protest-ukraine-war-hundreds-detained

https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/25/moscow-police-disperse-crowd-protesting-against-ukraine-war

We have protests. And with social networks everything is fine, everything works.

[Jeff-Groves]

Well I'm hooked through Russia by VPN.
So what's that say?

Now. That may not remain an open network given people and programmers I know.
In fact? I'm urging my contacts to drop Russia like a freaking brick!

[Catfish]

^ This show us that it's important to take what we read and hear about the war in Ukraine with a ton of salt. Markus
Of course. On the other hand you underestimate how much Putin has in his pocket. The propaganda of his tv networks is working full blast to justify his actions. All state media are blaring Putin's nonsense since years, trying to brainwash the population. He now shut off social media, can you imagine why?

[Andreas86]

Russia Todays website still works in Norway.. I thought it was hacked.

[Skybird]

We have protests. And with social networks everything is fine, everything works.
800-900 arrested today alone, in Moscow more uniformed and civilian police on the street and big plazas than there are protesters.

Twitter still off, Western media say.

Twitter was and is the hotspot for private cellphone videos from the Ukraine that show whats going on.

[Jeff-Groves]

It doesn't need hacked.
IF the software is activated and turned loose?
Whole Countries and major Websites will go down.
:03:

[Skybird]

Russia Todays website still works in Norway.. I thought it was hacked.
Like her ein Germany. RT is banned since some time now, and sitll broadcasts on.

The EU has now banned both Russia Today and Sputnik in the whole EU.


Youtube I read also should have banned RT, but I have not checked for it.

[mapuc]

This article from BBC is one hour old

Vladimir Putin has ordered Russia's military to put its deterrence forces, which include nuclear weapons, on "special alert".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60547473

What does special alert mean ?

Markus

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60544838


Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has said she supports individuals from the UK who might want to go to Ukraine to join an international force to fight.
She told the BBC it was up to people to make their own decisions, but argued it was a battle "for democracy".
She said Ukrainians were fighting for freedom, "not just for Ukraine but for the whole of Europe".
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has urged foreign nationals "to join the defence of security in Europe".
Earlier on Sunday, he said Ukraine was setting up an "international" legion of volunteers for foreigners wishing to join the Ukrainian army in its fight against Russian forces.
"This is not just Russia's invasion of Ukraine, this is the beginning of a war against Europe. Against European unity," Mr Zelensky was quoted as saying on his official website.
"Everyone who wants to join the defence of security in Europe and the world may come and stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukrainians against the invaders of the 21st Century."


Well, the war does not run well for Putin. And I think the intended Blitz for Kyiv - well, looks like sultry foehn weather condition that brings headaches and doesn't move from the spot.

[Skybird]

This article from BBC is one hour old



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60547473

What does special alert mean ?

Markus
As I explained some post above, their system most likely has 4 settings, and this is the second lowest, comparable - probably - to DEFCON 4, or 3 at max. (The US scale has 5 settings).

No nuclear bombers loaded and with running engines on the runway, relax.