Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Skybird]

For those knowledgeable, when or should Ukraine pull its forces to the west? It seems Russia's goal is to split the nation and encircle Kiev. If Putin is able to get the convoy moving up north and troops coming from the south, the danger it seems is a bulk of Ukraine's professional army getting trapped in the east.
Putin clearly stated that in his twisted view the Ukraine is part of Russian identity and that he denies its right to exist as a separate state entity. He clearly and explicitly denied that the Ukrainians have a right to exist as a separate people, separte from the Russians. He ruled that out, completely. I speculated myself in the past he wants to split it, but no more I do that. I now think he wants it all - and if he cannot get it he wants to wipe it out in retaliation for not getting it.

We thouight about the West's role in triggering the events of today. I thought about that a lot in past days. But I now think:

it did not m,matter what we have done, or have not done, or culd have done difefrently in the past. He probbaly always was competely disconnected forkm all we thogutn and did and said, but always would heva einevtoably come to the point wher eh now is: to see NAOTR as an aggressor, and wnating to reivive the Warsaw Pact state of things, and if we would have been more appeasing or mroe aggressive, he nevertheless always would have gotten to the point where he now is. I now think we were completely without influence on the final outcome, could only have delayed or accelerated events a bit - not more. The outcome would always have been the same.

Scandianvian countries, namely Finland, report the traffic from Russia has dramatically incresed, and many Russians are coming. They do not come for temporary stays and travelling - they come to stay forever, they flee from Russia as long as they still could. I exopect, aftwer susaia alreadsy has stareted ti crack down on cpaitla fleeing the coujtnry and comaony investments being kept in Russia, that they will crack down on the fleeing people and will drop a new iron curtain to stop Russians fleeing for Russia. Many of those fleeing are middole cklassd peope with academical and specialised professions, since these are the ones who can financially still afford it. This sort of brain drain Russia cannot afford. They will drop the iron curtain.

And media. Nice. Say "Ukraine" and "war" in one sentence, and you now go to prison for 15 years. "Say "Ukraine" and "invasion" in one sentence, and now you get jailed for 15 years. You said "Ukraine" and "attack"? Well, enjoy a relaxing prison stay for 15 years. They now really make you think in the right way. The only way that is still allowed - theirs.

[Skybird]

Its reported that after BBC World earlier, Moscow now also has completely locked Deutsche Welle, Radio Liberty Free Europe, Meduza (Letland), Facebook, Twitter, Youtube.


Youtube has blocked RT's channel earlier. Until the last moment RT called the invasion and war and attack just a "special operation" and insiosted on that it was running according to plan.

[Skybird]

Putin's oligarchs on the run

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/oligarchen_ts/28133070/2-format1007.jpg

[Catfish]

^ Lol where is U-96?


Scholz-Putin telephone call today friday march 4th '22:

https://www-br-de.translate.goog/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/telefonat-mit-putin-scholz-fordert-sofortigen-stopp-des-krieges,Sz8IrEv?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

But maybe, just maybe Putin lies again ..
"Reports of ongoing airstrikes on Kyiv and other major cities are gross propaganda forgery, the Kremlin said in a statement"
Lmao. We saw the videos, by all love for Russia and Putin's honesty i do not think that the Ukrainians flatten their own apartment buildings with cluster bombs, or set fire to their own nuclear plant while shooting at it.

But the greatest joke is the russian propaganda, maybe some brainwashed do believe, for all else this is complete nonsense, so obvious fake, transparent and cheaply orchestrated.

And Putin seems to be a bit afraid, shutting down Facebook and Youtube and forbidding mentioning the Ukraine.
All straight from Hitler's text- and storybook.

[Armistead]

Putin clearly stated that in his twisted view the Ukraine is part of Russian identity and that he denies its right to exist as a separate state entity. He clearly and explicitly denied that the Ukrainians have a right to exist as a separate people, separte from the Russians. He ruled that out, completely. I speculated myself in the past he wants to split it, but no more I do that. I now think he wants it all - and if he cannot get it he wants to wipe it out in retaliation for not getting it.

We thouight about the West's role in triggering the events of today. I thought about that a lot in past days. But I now think:

it did not m,matter what we have done, or have not done, or culd have done difefrently in the past. He probbaly always was competely disconnected forkm all we thogutn and did and said, but always would heva einevtoably come to the point wher eh now is: to see NAOTR as an aggressor, and wnating to reivive the Warsaw Pact state of things, and if we would have been more appeasing or mroe aggressive, he nevertheless always would have gotten to the point where he now is. I now think we were completely without influence on the final outcome, could only have delayed or accelerated events a bit - not more. The outcome would always have been the same.

Scandianvian countries, namely Finland, report the traffic from Russia has dramatically incresed, and many Russians are coming. They do not come for temporary stays and travelling - they come to stay forever, they flee from Russia as long as they still could. I exopect, aftwer susaia alreadsy has stareted ti crack down on cpaitla fleeing the coujtnry and comaony investments being kept in Russia, that they will crack down on the fleeing people and will drop a new iron curtain to stop Russians fleeing for Russia. Many of those fleeing are middole cklassd peope with academical and specialised professions, since these are the ones who can financially still afford it. This sort of brain drain Russia cannot afford. They will drop the iron curtain.

And media. Nice. Say "Ukraine" and "war" in one sentence, and you now go to prison for 15 years. "Say "Ukraine" and "invasion" in one sentence, and now you get jailed for 15 years. You said "Ukraine" and "attack"? Well, enjoy a relaxing prison stay for 15 years. They now really make you think in the right way. The only way that is still allowed - theirs.

Regardless of your views on Trump, do you think this would've happened if he president or while he was in office? It's interesting Putin basically invaded under Bush, Obama and now Biden.
Just seems to me the West is willing to prolong the suffering of Ukraine as a pawn with some weapons and some sanction in hopes it will degrade Russia to a level easier to deal with, tho it's pretty clear Ukraine will be lost. It's why I wonder if Ukraine should at least split itself first and move more of it's politics and army west, closer supply line, safer power grid and much closer to Putin facing NATO. If the battles continue in the cities the citizens are gonna be a mass casualty, no power, food, water. I worry so many experts say Putin won't stop in Ukraine, so do we sit back the next nation and let him take it because he threatens the use of nukes.
Anyways, the West is getting ready to come to terms with it's selling out to two communist nations for cheap goods, but I guess global corporatist control that and they buy and sell our politicians.

[Skybird]

Regardless of your views on Trump, do you think this would've happened if he president or while he was in office?

Yes. Trump does not matter for him. Nor Biden or anyone else. Helping to bring Trump onto the American gameboard was just a supportive manouver, it consumes much of America's attention and distracts it and destabiliies and erodes and paralysis it in the longtrmr form within, see how the parties block each other from any useful legislation. I have given up completely to think that there were triggers or incentives involved in Putin' decision. That he attacks Ukraine I now think was pretty much inevitable, and probably since already before 2014.

Maybe even if the Ukraine were a NATO member.

[mapuc]

Looks like they have attacked this 64 km long military column.

Just read it in a Danish article who quoted Pentagon for saying that some bridge(s) had been destroyed and probably several vehicle been destroyed.

So this according to Pentagon should be the reason for their stand still Ukrainian effectiveness.

Markus

[nikimcbee]

Here's a good video of a small slice of the Ukrainian War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WGcfkqzUI4




For what it's worth the Soviets/Russians don't have a lot of actual, modern air operations experience. They tons air defense experience. The US has Vietnam War, Gulf War 1991, Iraq War 2.0 (?) Plus, if they (Russians) have been hard up for money, they won't have the money to train like the West has. It would make sense, they are having a rough go at it now. Unless, they are saving the varsity team for a NATO conflict, but who knows?

[Catfish]

^ hah just watched that, before coming back here again and saw it posted.
Good take.

[mapuc]

Russia having huge problems in fighting the Ukrainian army tells me that if there's a war between NATO and Russia, Russia would have a heck of a problem.

Russia know this, that's why they would go nuclear directly in a confrontation.

Markus

[Catfish]

Russia having huge problems in fighting the Ukrainian army tells me that if there's a war between NATO and Russia, Russia would have a heck of a problem. Russia know this, that's why they would go nuclear directly in a confrontation. Markus
^ Or would they? Putin is a liar.
1. Putin does not care, he's old
2. Generals and FSB might care
Maybe someone gets ousted, just depends on how many doomsday trunks are needed to push that button. I heard there were 3 now reduced to 2.

B.t.w. Putin propaganda telling it does not target civilian habitats, just look at photos and videos.
Though it might appear that most of russians support Putin. Then i'd ask who asks them, who does the statistics?
Clear as mud :03:

[mapuc]

^ Or would they?
1. Putin does not care, he's old
2. Generals and FSB might care
Maybe someone gets ousted, just depends on how many doomsday trunks are needed to push that button. I heard there were 3 now reduced to 2.

I based my comment on what I have been told throughout the 80'ies from Russian generals who have said things like.

A war with NATO will end in a nuclear war.
And
In the Russian war doctrine nuclear weapon shall be used in first phase of the war(here I'm uncertain, trying to remember what this former soviet politician said on Swedish tv-A documentary)

Markus

[August]

Russia having huge problems in fighting the Ukrainian army tells me that if there's a war between NATO and Russia, Russia would have a heck of a problem.

Russia know this, that's why they would go nuclear directly in a confrontation.

Markus


What if the confrontation is a Russian attack into Finland or the NATO Baltic nations? You think Russia would go nuclear directly in that scenario?

[Catfish]

I based my comment on what I have been told throughout the 80'ies from Russian generals who have said things like.
A war with NATO will end in a nuclear war.
And
In the Russian war doctrine nuclear weapon shall be used in first phase of the war(here I'm uncertain, trying to remember what this former soviet politician said on Swedish tv-A documentary) Markus
1st yes. Those were the 80ies.
2nd it depends on who starts the war. In this case everyone knows it is Russia. They can change their maskirovka as much as they want, only believers of their broadcasts within Russia will believe it, since they are taken off the global information system.
Most of the world would already be in favour of an outright attack against Russia now, for Russia it would be hard to justify a nuclear war after all the world (sans Russia) clearly sees what is going on.

I really see Putin in a bunker now, giving his last commands. Please lets fast-forward to this and spare the intermediate bullsh!t.

[mapuc]

What if the confrontation is a Russian attack into Finland or the NATO Baltic nations? You think Russia would go nuclear directly in that scenario?

I don't know to be honest. I have only heard and read about the Russian war doctrine throughout the 80'ies.

I also remember what an American General said-I can't say when in the war with Russia nukes will be used, only that it will there's no doubt.

I can have remembered things wrong.

Edit
This is copied from twitter
Reports of a significant armor engagement in a suburb of Kyiv, …between Russian forces. Friendly fire restulted in the loss of 9 tanks and 4 infantry fighting vehicles.
End edit

Markus

[Catfish]

What if the confrontation is a Russian attack into Finland or the NATO Baltic nations? You think Russia would go nuclear directly in that scenario?
Good question. In the past it was russian strategy to saw off small parts off Finland decade for decade "legally", but this stopped after 1990.
Now? I think not nuclear. Him believing the west will be too frightened to use the bomb to stop them, if they attack conventionally. Now it is your guess what you think will stop him.

Remember two days ago four russian jets violated swedish airspace, some weeks ago there was at least one russian plane skimming and detecting swedish, finnish and baltic states radar installations, deviating 'a bit' from its (THEIR) official flight path(s).

Putin will not stop with the Ukraine. Or maybe for a year if we let him.
I got quite a bit of 'education' in firing 'rifles', I'd say if there is some russian with courage all it takes is to come close to 700 meter to Putin, and the war will end.

[mapuc]

I dearly hope you are correct Catfish

There will not be any use of nuke in a confrontation between Russia and NATO.
Then I hope it will not come so far

Edit
Found the the Russian military doctrine of 2014.
https://rusemb.org.uk/press/2029
End edit

Markus

[Catfish]

[...] Found the the Russian military doctrine of 2014. https://rusemb.org.uk/press/2029 [...] Markus

First paragraph already:
"1. The Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation (hereinafter the Military Doctrine) represents a system of officially adopted by the State views on preparations for armed defense and on the armed defense of the Russian Federation."

So.. going out and attack other countries for defense?

So they either ignore their own doctrine, or it must be a special russian view to see things.
I am sure Schroeder or Trump could explain this to us.
Until then I would propose to go and f'k yourself, Lavrov. To quote yourself, who are you to teach others?

[mapuc]

First paragraph already:
"1. The Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation (hereinafter the Military Doctrine) represents a system of officially adopted by the State views on preparations for armed defense and on the armed defense of the Russian Federation."

So.. going out and attack other countries for defense?

So they either ignore their own doctrine, or it must be a special russian view to see things.
I am sure Schroeder or Trump could explain this to us.
Until then I would propose to go and f'k yourself, Lavrov. To quote yourself, who are you to teach others?

Isn't there a saying
Best defence is going offensive ?

I made a search for the word nuclear in the test and found this

20. Prevention of a nuclear military conflict as well as of any other military conflict is the basis of the military policy of the Russian Federation.

The decision to use nuclear weapons shall be taken by the President of the Russian Federation.

Markus

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

This song seems oddly relevant now for some reason...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq1N0Sb8aH4

[Catfish]

Isn't there a saying
Best defence is going offensive ?
The tiny difference is, the saying goes like "The best defense is a good offense". As far as we understand it this clearly means that it is a defensive answer to a new or existing offense.
So, after a foreign attack, counter-attack immediately to surprise the attacker.

The Ukraine did not attack Russia. And Putin's invasion is an offense, to Ukraine.
Nor did NATO attack. NATO is a defensive alliance. It will DEFEND. It did not directly answer the Putin-invasion of Ukraine since the Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Russia attacked the Ukraine, which is an independent state. But of course you know this.
The decision to use nuclear weapons shall be taken by the President of the Russian Federation. Markus
Ouch. What about those three suitcases, and that one nutcase Putin?

[Catfish]

This song seems oddly relevant now for some reason...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq1N0Sb8aH4
"When everyone dances Tropak and speaks russian, this is a [russian] paradise, who doesn't believe that off with their heads"

What a find :up:

[mapuc]

What about those three suitcases.

When I read this

The decision to use nuclear weapons shall be taken by the President of the Russian Federation.

It made me wonder...hey I have in my thread read about some suitcases.

Maybe it's nothing but hearsay about these suitcases-Well I don't know I assume what is written on the page I linked to-on the military doctrine must be correct.

Markus

[em2nought]

"When everyone dances Tropak and speaks russian, this is a [russian] paradise, who doesn't believe that off with their heads"

What a find :up:

Sounds like "The Squad". :D

[August]

Good question. In the past it was russian strategy to saw off small parts off Finland decade for decade "legally", but this stopped after 1990.
Now? I think not nuclear. Him believing the west will be too frightened to use the bomb to stop them, if they attack conventionally. Now it is your guess what you think will stop him.


A lot of folks believed that it was mainly the nuclear deterrent which kept the Soviet hordes on the other side of the Fulda gap back in the Cold War. They had like a 10 to 1 superiority in conventional forces. I think what stopped them is believing we'd use tactical nukes against them if they invaded the west.

[Commander Wallace]

A lot of folks believed that it was mainly the nuclear deterrent which kept the Soviet hordes on the other side of the Fulda gap back in the Cold War. They had like a 10 to 1 superiority in conventional forces. I think what stopped them is believing we'd use tactical nukes against them if they invaded the west.

That may well be plausible. It may be the combination of that and the development of lethal anti tank weapons to counter the superior numbers on the other side of the iron curtain. The A-10 Thunderbolt or " warthog " was developed and fielded in 1972. The Thunderbolts abilities are well known on both sides of the fence. Hell Fire anti tank weapons were also developed in 1974.

Throw in the fielding of the Cobra attack helicopters developed in 1965 which served as a platform for delivering these weapons on the battlefield. I believe these weapon systems and others and their capabilities against armor and tanks may have served as a deterrent as well.

[August]

That may well be plausible. It may be the combination of that and the development of lethal anti tank weapons to counter the superior numbers on the other side of the iron curtain. The A-10 Thunderbolt or " warthog " was developed and fielded in 1972. The Thunderbolts abilities are well known on both sides of the fence. Hell Fire anti tank weapons were also developed in 1974.

Throw in the fielding of the Cobra attack helicopters developed in 1965 which served as a platform for delivering these weapons on the battlefield. I believe these weapon systems and others and their capabilities against armor and tanks may have served as a deterrent as well.

When I was stationed over there with the Army back in the late 70's we used to joke that we were the "Line In The Dirt". The line you draw in front of an antagonist and dare them to step over.

Trouble is in the ensuing fight the line is almost always wiped out.

Our whole mission there was, in the event of war, to slow the Soviets down enough for reinforcements coming over from the states to still have at least some of Europe to fight back from once they got over there and drew prepositioned equipment stashed in warehouses around western Europe, assuming the enemy didn't blow it up first. Some plan huh?

Course hindsight is 20-20 and now we know that the Red Army was not the military juggernaut that we imagined it was. But at the time the use of short range tactical nukes at choke points like Fulda to stop them was very much on the table and they knew it too. That's why they were always trying to get us to sign that no first use pledge and we wouldn't.

[Armistead]

Would you survive a nuclear blast? I'm on the edge of 3rd degree burns if not sheltered, so I'd probably survive and... then die from the fallout later. https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?fbclid=IwAR1mfxNyyVT70S_5ajPEgUrAkBf2gF73ksasgnlc nsKtdjLy2V9pCnuH0UE

[Armistead]

Yes. Trump does not matter for him. Nor Biden or anyone else. Helping to bring Trump onto the American gameboard was just a supportive manouver, it consumes much of America's attention and distracts it and destabiliies and erodes and paralysis it in the longtrmr form within, see how the parties block each other from any useful legislation. I have given up completely to think that there were triggers or incentives involved in Putin' decision. That he attacks Ukraine I now think was pretty much inevitable, and probably since already before 2014.

Maybe even if the Ukraine were a NATO member.

Yes, I don't think any president or negotiations other than letting Putin have what he wants would stop him now. I think he's getting old and he intends to restore as much as the old Soviet Bloc as he can before he dies. His ego will see it come to fruition or his ego will start WW3 if any nation tries to stop it. Damn the consequences for Russia or the world. It's about his personality, not Russia. This is what I fear is going on with him. I think the only hope is someone in his inner circle takes him out.

[Commander Wallace]

When I was stationed over there with the Army back in the late 70's we used to joke that we were the "Line In The Dirt". The line you draw in front of an antagonist and dare them to step over.

Trouble is in the ensuing fight the line is almost always wiped out.

Our whole mission there was, in the event of war, to slow the Soviets down enough for reinforcements coming over from the states to still have at least some of Europe to fight back from once they got over there and drew prepositioned equipment stashed in warehouses around western Europe, assuming the enemy didn't blow it up first. Some plan huh?

Course hindsight is 20-20 and now we know that the Red Army was not the military juggernaut that we imagined it was. But at the time the use of short range tactical nukes at choke points like Fulda to stop them was very much on the table and they knew it too. That's why they were always trying to get us to sign that no first use pledge and we wouldn't.


I still feel it's a conglomeration of factors. However, since you were in Europe during that time, you would have an understanding of the various doctrines that governed the use of tactical nukes and artillery shells and warfare in general. I think a lot of the European countries, Germany in particular in addition to England would have given the Soviets more than they bargained for then in a conventional war and would now as well. It goes without saying both France and England are nuclear powers. I had friends that were stationed in the U.K and also Germany. It was a stressful time for all concerned. Being with the Army then, you would have a better understanding than most of how deadly effective the Cobra and Super Cobra variants are in addition to the Apache and long bow variants with regards to attack helicopters.

The Germans and English also had fine pilots and France had the Mirage aircraft along with the Rafale In capable hands, they remain a formidable opponent. The Israeli's showed that in the six day war of 1967 using a mix of F-4 Phantoms, Mirages, A-4 skyhawks and other aircraft. They battled again in 1973 in the Yom Kippur and 2 other times before that.

[Skybird]

Its illogical to think the Sowjets would have allowed NATO to wear down their conventional forces and only then when they got bogged down they would have started to try turning the helm around by using nukes.

They would have started with nukes in the first to neutralise those variables where NATO was stronger, namely the techncial and training quality as well as better maintenance rate of its air forces (which were numerically inferior, and very much so, and quiet some pilots from that era voiced doubts in books they later wrote that the technology advantage alone would have compensated for the inferior numbers).

For Germany, there would have been no resuce anyway. In every scenario Germany would have been turned into a total destruction zone, much more complete than after WW2. Even if the Russians would have been thrown back, the price for it would have been the destruction of Germany. I find it hard to consider that as a "rescue".

Many of the modern systems on Western sides got just introduced and where the first generation of their technolgy. Thermals were not as sharp as today, so where NVGs, missiles were not as reliable and deadly. Widepsread equipment like the infamous agile Leopard-1 tank got outgunned by the T-72 big bumms that was dersigned to overocme the Leopard-1, the first Leopard 2s existed in extremely small quantities, the M60A3 was slower than the M1 that repalced it buzt still was the work hors eof the US forces, and the M1 was the first generation M1, not the modern versions of today. NATO would have owned the night, the Pact probably the day.

We never needed to find out how it would have gone, but I take none of the two possible endings as granted. And the centre of Europe always would have been totally destroyed. And nukes used on airfields and harbours would have been the weapons that had opened the war.

And since this is so, a war under no circumstances would ever have made any sense: MAD looming overhead. And both sides knew it.

[Skybird]

Ukraine says 66000 men from abroad have come to Ukraine to fight for it, the military says that equals 12 additionalcombat briagdes. Usually , so sdaid tV some days ago, they let in mostly men with miliary experience, and I assume it mostly are Urkainians living in other countries.

Ukrainian speakers also say the demoralization level amongst Russians were very high, it happens on a frequent base that they throw away weapons and move away.

The Pentagon says the Russian, military leadership is impressed by the ukrainian resiotenc,e and I did not understands this to be a gallant compliment, but that the Ukrainains have left some serious marks in the Russian military leadership' self-understanding and confidence. It seems they really were absolutely clueless on what they embarked on. US secnbrrtety Blinken said he absolutely sees a realistic chance that the Ukraine could win this war. But the blood toll and destruction that have to be suffered, will be immense, and the war could drag on for long.


Its also said by the Americans that the Ukraine managed to keep a surprjsingly huge part of their air force intact, although it suffered losses. This is one of the biggest surprises for me. The 101 of attack wars reads: gain air superiority before anything else. The Russians seem to have messed up the translation?!


And the mayor of Mariupol reports that although there should have been a negotiated seize-fire in place and the opening of a humanitarian corridor so that civilians could flee from the city, the Russians are still shelling the city at all fronts.

[tmccarthy]

Possible. But even then, why not obliterate the convoy, i do not think they are made of deceptive rubber material. Some drones would suffice.


re Skybird "©Putin fake news", the new hip brand :03:

Yeah, I don't know why? I was expecting to see a lot more from drones at the start, especially from Ukraine.

After reviewing about every interesting looking video I could find from the Azerbaijan-Armenian war shortly after it ended. And seeing how the Armenians appeared to pretty much have been massacred to the point drones were used to hunt down and obliterate individual soldiers hiding in fox holes.

My first reaction (overly simplified and sarcastic of coarse) was "well it looks like tanks are now obsolete." AND "being a human and alive on a battlefield is obsolete to!":o

[Skybird]

I assume the Ukrainians would attack the convoy if they could or think it were the wise thing to do.

Conclusion: they can'T, or an unknown factor we do not know speaks against it.

I could for example imagine that the convoy is heavy in AA units. Or that a later trap is prepared. Or the Ukrainian air force is not capable of attacking it there, were it sits. Or there is greater need for the ressources somewhere else. Or they have ammo shortages.

BTW, those Turkish drones they are using, TB-2, are no miracle weapons, and they also do not have a million of them. Wikipedia says they had 9 at the beginning of the war, with 12 more ordered. Pro-Russian sources say two of these drones already got shot down on day one of the Russian invasion. They carry not more than 150 kg in payload, thats not really a gunship's payload. Pro-Russian sources say two of these drones already got shot down on day one of the Russian invasion. The real strength of these drones are they beat the market competion by aggressive pricing, and can linger around autarkly and stay in the air for 24 hours. But they carry just one bomb or two missiles.

[Skybird]

Not war relevant, but an insight into the "cold civil war" inside Russian civil society.

https://www.dw.com/en/beethoven-and-a-peace-speech-get-russian-conductor-suspended/a-60996710

Reports are mounting that the Russians not only ignore the seize-fire for Mariupol and continue to shell the city at all fronts, but that they lay targetted fire right on the agreed humanitarian corridors. Ukrainian authorites in place have called off the evacuation and tell people to return as fast as possible and stay in the city instead.

The pro-Putin Russian scum apparently does not want to run out of slaughtering lambs whose bloody corpses they can show the Ukrainian population to demoralise it further.

Also growing are rumours Putin wants to impose nationwide martial law. Not in the Ukraine - but Russia. Also that he wants to close the borders and locking Russians in.


edit:

Oh look, BBC and CNN in Russia are already gone.

[mapuc]

Skybird wrote

"I assume the Ukrainians would attack the convoy if they could or think it were the wise thing to do.

Conclusion: they can'T, or an unknown factor we do not know speaks against it."

Well according to Pentagon they have-They have stalled this huge column by destroying bridges and even attacked them by destroying tanks.

“We are striking the enemy’s columns,” Brig. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told Military Times in an exclusive interview Wednesday morning. “We burn many columns of the enemy.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2022/03/02/ukraine-jets-hit-russian-column-russia-has-used-thermobarics-ukraine-military-says/

Again I don't know what's correct here.

Markus

[Skybird]

Skybird wrote

Well according to Pentagon they have-They have stalled this huge column by destroying bridges and even attacked them by destroying tanks.

The heavier and the more repeatedly, the better...! :up:

I did not mean to rule out they could do it, I wanted to express only that the Ukrainians will do what they can and when they can, and when they do not then it might be due to factors that force them to do it not, and that we must not necessarily know thers erssons why they do somehtign not. Just that.That they have reasons for what they do and when, and do not - not more I wanted to say.

[mapuc]

Putin has determined to entrapment Ukraine into the Russian federation.
(Which I think he will)

Can anyone tell me what Mr. Putin will do if he fail to do so ?

Personally I think Putin will manage to take Ukraine-It will take longer than he expected and will cost him a lot more than he expected.
What if...there's always this What if....

Markus

[mapuc]

What is your opinion on this subject
A no-fly zone over Ukraine supported by the UN

Just read a comment from a Danish politician who spoke warmly about this no-fly-zone.

Saying it will not end in WW3 as many are afraid of would happen.

I say...we stay out of this...we help the Ukrainian with defensive weapons, medicin and other none offensive stuff.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

^ Which is what many countries are currently doing.

[Jimbuna]

Ukrainian authorities say Russia is not observing a temporary ceasefire that was agreed in two cities.

The ceasefire was designed to let civilians leave Mariupol and Volnovakha.

But Ukrainian authorities say attacks are continuing, and the evacuation is postponed.

Mariupol - a key southern port - has been besieged by Russian forces for days.

Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin says he will not impose martial law - military rule - in Russia.

He also warns Western countries against imposing a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

Ukraine's president has condemned Nato for ruling out the no-fly zone.

But Western leaders say introducing the measure would be an escalation.

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine invasion: Are Russia's attacks war crimes?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60583926

[Skybird]

Can anyone tell me what Mr. Putin will do if he fail to do so ?

Escalate.

[Skybird]

What is your opinion on this subject
A no-fly zone over Ukraine supported by the UN

Just read a comment from a Danish politician who spoke warmly about this no-fly-zone.

Saying it will not end in WW3 as many are afraid of would happen.

I say...we stay out of this...we help the Ukrainian with defensive weapons, medicin and other none offensive stuff.

Markus


How do you call it when NATO fighters and SAMS and Russian fighters and SAMS start shooting at each other?

[Armistead]

I think it's foolish to take any option of the table, even strategically. Not saying we do it, but he should at least have to worry about any option out there being on the table. Putin seems to be emboldened by weakness and his ability to bully and our constant "we're not doing this" only emboldens him more.

[Skybird]

The FAZ titles (about Germany):


"Das Auenland schwört dem Aberglauben ab."


:D


(means as much as The Shire renounces superstition)

[Armistead]

What is your opinion on this subject
A no-fly zone over Ukraine supported by the UN

Just read a comment from a Danish politician who spoke warmly about this no-fly-zone.

Saying it will not end in WW3 as many are afraid of would happen.

I say...we stay out of this...we help the Ukrainian with defensive weapons, medicin and other none offensive stuff.

Markus


I think it was stupid to take it off the table and a UN option is a good idea except Russia and China would veto it, so we would need to kick them out of the UN. I think with the civilian refugee crisis coming that will probably be worse than when Obama pulled a Putin on Libya hits, we'll either have to watch a genocide of suffering or install a partial no fly zone in western Ukraine.

[Armistead]

One thing for sure, the defense industry is have a collective mass orgasm right now!

[mapuc]

I think it was stupid to take it off the table and a UN option is a good idea except Russia and China would veto it, so we would need to kick them out of the UN. I think with the civilian refugee crisis coming that will probably be worse than when Obama pulled a Putin on Libya hits, we'll either have to watch a genocide of suffering or install a partial no fly zone in western Ukraine.

I found the author-this politician

I remembered wrong he didn't mentioned UN.

"NATO refuses to impose no-fly zones over Ukrainian airspace, so as to protect the civilian population from ruthless airstrikes.
NATO's Jens Stoltenberg says: "We are not part of the conflict."
But that is not true.
We just prolong the pain. And makes the same mistake as in Syria, where Putin's planes also carried out ruthless air bombardments of the civilian population.
Majority of Americans 74% (across partisanship) support no-fly zones over Ukraine!"

Markus

[Armistead]

I found the author-this politician

I remembered wrong he didn't mentioned UN.

"NATO refuses to impose no-fly zones over Ukrainian airspace, so as to protect the civilian population from ruthless airstrikes.
NATO's Jens Stoltenberg says: "We are not part of the conflict."
But that is not true.
We just prolong the pain. And makes the same mistake as in Syria, where Putin's planes also carried out ruthless air bombardments of the civilian population.
Majority of Americans 74% (across partisanship) support no-fly zones over Ukraine!"

Markus

Well, regardless of how it got here, high players in NATO and the defense industry will do all it can to take advantage of this situation to break Russia, build NATO and increase defense spending. Prolonging the suffering in Ukraine to help bleed Russia and destroy their economy may be a viable and acceptable outcome for NATO, tho with great risk.

[UglyMowgli]

Wonder what the Kremlin will said about that. A pigeon strike on a Mi-24/34 ?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IgoMxN-pEA

[mapuc]

Found an interesting article in a Danish newspaper about implement a no-fly zone and why it's a very bad idea

Russian President Vladimir Putin was also very clear in his speech to the outside world , as he as a whole press conference today related to a potential no-fly zone over Ukraine.

"We will see any movement in that direction as an active participation in the acts of war from that country," was the warning from President Putin.

"And then we do not care what they may be members of," Putin said.

https://www-dr-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/udland/ukraines-praesident-raser-mod-nato-ikke-indfoere-flyveforbud-her-er-aarsagerne-til?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1dXAs2ybIU

[mapuc]

Yes he's mad enough to do it

That’s why I reached out to Fiona Hill, one of America’s most clear-eyed Russia experts, someone who has studied Putin for decades, worked in both Republican and Democratic administrations and has a reputation for truth-telling, earned when she testified during impeachment hearings for her former boss, President Donald Trump.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340

Markus

[Von Due]

Putin pouting over sanctions I read, claiming they are very similar to declarations of war. Well, mr. Putin, don't look at them that way, see them as... an economical special operation.

Wonder how long his bling bling and ching ching buddies stick with him or if they will do a Brutus on him.

[Red Devil]

Scammers are flooding the net, probably russian. I have had 3 today, and a lady on FB found 500 in her email after 3 days. I had one from 'amazon' ' photobucket and my bank, which wasnt.

I am wondering if its safe to continue using Kaspersky Total Security????

[Skybird]

Yes he's mad enough to do it

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340

Markus
Very good find! :up: Very good background analysis. She is way beyond my own thoughts, but as far as I was in my own thinking, I came to the same results in recent days. Debating with here would be very boring for me, since there is nothing we would disagree over on this topic.
And yes, he will do it if he find its needed to do it.

Nato, the West, the World better get their acts together. Fast and qickly and unforgivingly determined. The next shortsighted stupid businessman telling me he waits and prepares for the time when he can return his business to Russia, will taste my fist. I do not want to see normalisation of business with Russia for the remaining lifetime on mine.

[Onkel Neal]

Can BRDM-2's stand up to grenades and small arms fire?

[Onkel Neal]

Yes he's mad enough to do it



https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340

Markus

Those old historical patterns include Western businesses who fail to see how they help build a tyrant’s war chest

Sad but true. If there is a weak spot to capitalism, it's this.

If there is a weak spot to democracy, it's that the democracies allowed whole swaths of the earth and billions of people to exist within dictatorships and totalitarian regimes.

[Skybird]

Can BRDM-2's stand up to grenades and small arms fire?
To some degrees, yes, else they would be completely useless, because of much use they are not. But any callibre bigger than that already are big dangers for them. Usually they are meant to do recce by getting blown up by a Panzerfaust-style weapon or so, and the generals back home making a cross on the map and then know where the enemy is. Thin-skinned, and almost blind crew inside of it. You seem to see not much from inside them.
Beyond recce they are used as platforms to mount some ATGMs on them.
Their best defence is that they are so small.

[mapuc]

Very good find! :up: Very good background analysis. She is way beyond my own thoughts, but as far as I was in my own thinking, I came to the same results in recent days. Debating with here would be very boring for me, since there is nothing we would disagree over on this topic.
And yes, he will do it if he find its needed to do it.

Nato, the West, the World better get their acts together. Fast and qickly and unforgivingly determined. The next shortsighted stupid businessman telling me he waits and prepares for the time when he can return his business to Russia, will taste my fist. I do not want to see normalisation of business with Russia for the remaining lifetime on mine.

That is what scares me too..Then I remembered him saying that the Ukrainian are in fact Russian and would he in his madness throw a nuke on them-His own people the Russians ?

However I'm not an expert in psychology or in strategic thinking so he could if things goes against him to much in Ukraine-throw one to two tactical nukes somewhere in Ukraine.
If he decide to do so I think he will throw them in none populated areas.

What kind of nuke will he use.
I'm 99 % sure he will use small tactical nukes.
Today there's a variety of nukes-Some with massive destruction and minimal radiation while others have small destruction-massive radiation like the neutron bomb.

I truly hope I'm wrong.

Markus

[Skybird]

Even "tactical" nukes usually are several times stronger than the bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And would he do it to his own people? They are his people like my pawns on the chessboard are my friends. And if one of them has some smear on it that irks and bruns my fingers' skin, I throw it away and replace it. So much for friendship. Remember what I wrote about how the psychopathic personality ticks? It lacks the needed preconditons to feel moral scruples or empathy. It does not know what that is, that it exists. But it sees that others seem to care for it, align their behaviour with it, and so uses it to manipulate or blackmail them. Without remorse, without regret, without scruples. All these are just words without meaning, mean nothing for a psychopathic personality. When I press a light button, I do not care for the poashics backgroudns and technology, I only expect that the light goes on, and if it doesn't, I get angry. I dont tlak wo my light swtiches, nor do I ask them for their wellbeing and hopes for thei future. They have ti funciton the way I demand it from a light switch. And thats all there is in a light switch.

Moden diagnostic manuals have altered, deleted, changed the old nomenclatura on the "psychoppath". A lot of diagnostic criteria have been altered over the past decades, sometimes for reasons that were scientifcally founded and indeed made sense, sometimes for reasons of politcial correctness quite often. Sometimes these changes make sense, sometimes not. In case of certain concpets of the so-called (in German) triadic psychatric system, that is seen as not relevant anymore, I regret it. It had some simple, straight amounts of reason and ratio attached to it, and focussed on pragmatic categorization, not on endless worries to not discriminate by diagnosis. Everything can be exaggerated.

[mapuc]

Thank you for your answer Skybird.

As I see it the only solution to our problem is that some very brave Russian near Putin does what is needed if Putin goes totally bananas and gives the order. Eliminate him in one way or the other.

Does this brave person exist ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Those Russians "near Putin" all are the same criminal nationalist scum, unscrup0ulous and murderous.


Meanwhile we pay Putins war still, day for day for day. We diretcly pay for it by sitll buying Russian ore, oil, gas. And Opec, this as cirnjhal cartel, refuses to help bringing down the pil price by producsing more, so that the poil Putin sells to us becasue we still buy it, gets sold for a tasty opriuce, which helps to finance the war.



A total boycott of everything is morally commanded. Now. And yes, I knwo that this would hit especialy germany exactly right. But 80 yera sago our forefathers went into the Ukraine and mowed them down with machine pistols and tank guns, now we pay Russia to do it again. That makes me sick. Again we stand on the wrong side of history's team lineups. Again we play for team Malice. The dyiong happens now. That we plan to not do business with them in a few years when we have replaced all and evertyhing, does not brign back the dead or rebuild the cities.



That is of course true not just for Germany, but for other Western countries as well, inclduing the US (somethign that Biden opportunistically happens to forget to mention quite often...) that also still does certain businesses with Russia. But in case of Germany it is our history with the Ukraine that additonally comes into play, and of course the sheer ammount to whicb we still pay them moeny for their war of attack now.



Shame.

[mapuc]

Some years ago Denmark was self-sufficient when it came to oil and gas.

Then the former government decided to shut down the only gas field we have the Thyra field. Reason behind this should be that Russian gas was a lot cheaper than the Danish.

Some weeks ago the sitting government have decided to reopen this Thyra field-The problem is...it will take about a year before this platform can send gas to the Danish west coast again.

So it's not only your German politicians who is short termed thinker.

Markus

[UglyMowgli]

Well according to some unconfirmed reports, there is some kind of "resistance" even in the FSB. So everything is possible.

[Red Devil]

Here in the UK we have enough gas underground to keep us going for 50 years AND to sell. Also the Irish Sea had a very large supply. Bloody politicians, pocketing money from gas suppliers abroad.

[Buddahaid]

There is also the need to keep a domestic strategic reserve for national security. Better to buy foreign oil to some degree than risk losing that reserve.

[Armistead]

Seen clips of this man on the news, sort of chosen parts, and sure several of you have watched it. It's interesting he was so right on many of the issues, but he really got it wrong saying basically, "If NATO wanted to wreck Russia, just get Russia to Invade Ukraine, but Putin is way too smart to do that" Rather Putin took Crimea and would keep wrecking the east with civil war, but never invade as he as. Course he stated if he was wrong and Putin did invade Ukraine it would put him in a lose lose and you don't want a nuclear power in a lose lose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

[em2nought]

We just went thru what was presented to us as 1918, and now it feels like we're entering 1914. :wah:

[tmccarthy]

Sad but true. If there is a weak spot to capitalism, it's this.

If there is a weak spot to democracy, it's that the democracies allowed whole swaths of the earth and billions of people to exist within dictatorships and totalitarian regimes.

I caught this earlier today. "Inside Edition"? I don't know you...:hmmm: Heard Joe Rogan mention the book (War is a Racket by Gen. Smedley Butler) a couple weeks ago, downloaded not read yet.

https://youtu.be/Dtv_LjleEgM

[tmccarthy]

↓ I've noticed John Mearsheimer this week. He also has an interesting lecture "Why Leaders Lie" that I'll link over in INTERESTING.

https://youtu.be/SJBQikfYyKs

[August]

Ukrainian Maxim gun in action!

https://i.imgur.com/ENbjkEM.jpg
https://external-preview.redd.it/vRFIdxjkUOfRovrzo22x7EBqL0jnaT1DB8ohNIV6Zjc.jpg?au to=webp&54f68143

[u crank]

How Western Elites Exploit Ukraine

https://unherd.com/2022/03/how-western-elites-exploit-ukraine/

This is the fake, performative, and internationalist nationalism of the American elite class: they use emotional triggers to rally the people behind the flag of the state in the name of lofty humanitarian causes which mask their own self-importance and narcissistic greatness. In fact, the systematic and periodic milking of tragedy to sow mass hysteria and manufacture support for the liberal imperium and its rulers has become the modus operandi in Washington. The consequence is not only further empowerment of the martial state, but also the enabling and even the ennobling of America’s war machine.

The point is that this tragedy was entirely predictable and avoidable. We invited (if not compelled) conflict with our politics of intrigue and meddling in Eastern Europe, our disregard for Moscow’s security interests, and our moral grandstanding over items like Nato’s eastward expansion, Ukrainian neutrality, and demilitarisation. Any seasoned diplomat of the Cold War would be left utterly mystified. This was and remains political and strategic malpractice.

When all roads lead to interventionism and war, pause, think, and consider how we got to where we are. Ask yourself who designed this dystopian city of lies and to what purpose — before it is too late.

[Skybird]

This ^ implies that the West provoked, triggered Putin'S behaviour, But I think he would have gone after the Ukraine anyway, sooner or later. Have not always thought this way, but now I do.

That tells something about the need to stop him NOW, in the ukraine. Because I now think he will not stop there. He does what he says, and he has said what he will do with the Ukraine. And he said what he wants to achieve beyond that. And that can only be achieved by attacking more countries. Even NATO countries.

The long era of peace in Europe is over. It was a nice - and for European standards: unique - stay, and now it has come to its end.

Living in Europe and Germany, I cannot like this, but I am realist, at least I try to be one.

This war will not end with just the Ukraine. A few already have understood this. Most still have not. Took me some time as well, yes. But ther essence of this desaster must be learned: its just the beginning if Putin is not stopped in the Ukraine. He will onyl be encouraged, and will escalate.


Truth beignt old, world war 3 rages already since one and a half decade, with non-conventional means that aim at destabilsing our states and societies, erode them from within, distracting them, helping them to lull themselves deeper and deeper into learned helplessness, taking over our policy-making processes, corrupting our "elites", disrupting our opinion forming processes and media. On a few occaisons over the years I called all these hostile acts and even "acts of warfare", and at those opportunities maybe did not really realise myself the full reach of my words. And these Russian actions are this, and nothing else: acts of war against the West. Putin'S war against the West has begun already over one and a half decade ago. Think of these acts and years as preparatory bombardements.

[u crank]

This ^ implies that the West provoked, triggered Putin'S behaviour, But I think he would have gone after the Ukraine anyway, sooner or later. Have not always thought this way, but now I do.

Call it provoked if you want. The question you need to ask is, who is going to benefit from this war? Not you or I. Not the Russian or Ukrainian people. And if the same people who will benefit from it are now cheerleading it on I think it is safe to say that everyone including Putin is being played. War means suffering for some and profit for others. Been that way for a long time. We in the West watch as our leaders paint themselves into a corner and then clap like trained seals when those same leaders start moralizing and manipulating public opinion. It is so clearly a replay of GW Bush's Iraq incursion. Different actors, same movie. Profits must and will be maximized. The real enemy is the Washington based Neocon war lobby and the producers of the means of war. And those people are smiling.

[Red Devil]

Firstly, I have no idea if this is true, but it was on one news channel.

Someone in Moscow leaked that Putin has bowel cancer. It could be true, he has been spouting **** for ages.

We can only pray to the heavens that this is true. :Kaleun_Applaud:

[mapuc]

Firstly, I have no idea if this is true, but it was on one news channel.

Someone in Moscow leaked that Putin has bowel cancer. It could be true, he has been spouting **** for ages.

We can only pray to the heavens that this is true. :Kaleun_Applaud:

I do not wish any person good or bad to suffer from Cancer...it's terrible thing.

A person who is considering taking their life or people who is very close to death can very well decide to take others with them into the death.

Many years ago a terror hit Helsingfors(Capitol of Finland)It turned out it was a Finnish man who decided to commit suicide and take as many with him in his effort to do so.

So maybe Putin has decided to take as many with him...

Markus

[Red Devil]

good points mapuc, but in this mans case I make an exception. I saw the body of an 18 month old child he killed, no sympathy here mate.

[Red Devil]

I have a piece of software called Marinetraffic.com , it tracks all marine traffic all over the world. I zoomed in on Odessa and, surprise surprise, it does not show a single russian naval vessel nearby. Hardly surprising as they are not using their transponders (which, under international law, I think, is illegal.)

There was a news item here about a german tanker carrying russian oil to Tranmere Oil Terminal Birkenhead on the Mersey. Workers refused to unload it, so its currently drifting aimlessly awaiting orders. As usual the media got it somewhat wrong. The vessel, the Seacod, is carrying russian oil but did not enter the Mersey. THe ship is now south of the Isle of Man heading north.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:151587/zoom:9

[mapuc]

good points mapuc, but in this mans case I make an exception. I saw the body of an 18 month old child he killed, no sympathy here mate.

For this he should stand trial for violating the human rights in Ukraine together with those soldier who have done the same.

Should he be eliminated before this I will not cry over the lost...

Markus

[Skybird]

I have a piece of software called Marinetraffic.com , it tracks all marine traffic all over the world. I zoomed in on Odessa and, surprise surprise, it does not show a single russian naval vessel nearby. Hardly surprising as they are not using their transponders (which, under international law, I think, is illegal.)

There was a news item here about a german tanker carrying russian oil to Tranmere Oil Terminal Birkenhead on the Mersey. Workers refused to unload it, so its currently drifting aimlessly awaiting orders. As usual the media got it somewhat wrong. The vessel, the Seacod, is carrying russian oil but did not enter the Mersey. THe ship is now south of the Isle of Man heading north.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:151587/zoom:9
Where are the Uboats when you need them...

[mapuc]

Uboats

I'm awaiting the news where I'm getting told that Putin has ordered the uboat fleet from Murmansk to set sail for the Atlantic.

I also await news about increase of his Baltic fleet.

Forgot something.
When you hear or read about this-Putin gives those order-then we may get nervous

Markus

[Catfish]

https://mobile.twitter.com/andikynast/status/1500136213197598722

[Red Devil]

There are russian vessels near Odessa as they shelled and sank a vessel and damaged another. Although my software does not show them, there are some out there that can even tell you what that sailor threw over the stern :salute:

[mapuc]

Can anyone of you give me an answer to this problem.

It's about neonazisme in Ukraine.

It's Russian propaganda when they say neonazisme is a problem in Ukraine
While others say it is a problem Russia is correct here.

I don't know what's up and down in this.

Markus

[Skybird]

Call it provoked if you want. The question you need to ask is, who is going to benefit from this war? Not you or I. Not the Russian or Ukrainian people. And if the same people who will benefit from it are now cheerleading it on I think it is safe to say that everyone including Putin is being played. War means suffering for some and profit for others. Been that way for a long time. We in the West watch as our leaders paint themselves into a corner and then clap like trained seals when those same leaders start moralizing and manipulating public opinion. It is so clearly a replay of GW Bush's Iraq incursion. Different actors, same movie. Profits must and will be maximized. The real enemy is the Washington based Neocon war lobby and the producers of the means of war. And those people are smiling.
This war is fought with many tools, and formt eh past years of it beign waged, Russia politiclaly has benefitted tremeodusly, namely its eleiotes at the top. This monstrosu states gets away with assassinating its cirtics even on other coutnry'S soil. It manages ot lull the West into helpless weakness since decades. I bites off chunks of land here and there, in Georgia, Ukraine, it commits atrocities and war crimes in Syria, annihilates Grozny and Chechnya and nobody dares to get in its way, even speaks psoitvely about it. Russophile base attitudes dominated Western perception of Russia auntil recently. The elites that Putin also depend on since they manage his stolen wealth, became even richer, and are accepted guest in western saloons. We dleiver them high tech, knowhow, even military equipment, and goods the elite sneed to keep the masses peaceful and sufficnetly satisfied to stay what they always have been in Russia: servile, and obedient. The wets did noit react to the Raising Russian threats to the post-WW2 order.

I would say those in command in Russia have benefitted TREMENDOUSLY. And we in the West have made complete fools of ourselves with our "Russenkitsch" . We voluntarily allowed to march all by ourselves into helpelessness and dependencies - and really worrying degrees of defencelessness.

The Russian do thi since deacdes. The Westgerman peacemovement we now for sure now has sicne always been infiltrated and controlled by the KGB. And look what spendid ammounts of anti-Americans it has spilled especially, in Germany! Our education sector and mainstream media are extremely left-oriented, too.

Then the Russian interfering with the Americna elections, and successfully mining it with a Trump.The effects on the US politlical system are desastrous, its as if large parts of the population have inhaled a poisonous gas that caused irreverisble brain damage. Russia meddling with German politics, and there is its and liason with the AfD. Its shady role in the Brexit media campaign.

I always said Putin plays the big game masteruflly, he is a brilliant tactician. Until he now grew old, some say: ill. Still, he is a monster. Nevertheless he is briliant in his malicious way of playing, and that skill is what gives us very big headaches and threatens to set the world ablaze, doesn't it.

We must do what is needed to hinder him playing out his next moves he alrready has annoucned and decided for. We must end this scheme "Putin acts, the world reacts". Now. In the Ukraine.

Its just 1200km from my position to where the fighitng starts, and the dying and destruction. Thats the distance New York - Chicaco by air, roughly. And we , NATO act as if we were just sitting on the fence, watching a show rodeo? While we even pay Putin daily fees for runnig the war, still we do that...???

I am not willing to agree with this atittude. Its the attitude that let the massacre at Srebrenica happen. That did not noticably react to the invasion of the Crimea. That just lamented a bit about the two wars in Chechnya and the annihilation of Grozny. That did not end relations with Russia while they were clusterbombing and genociding civilians in Aleppo and across Syria - we even continued to coordinate oursleves with them.

Our role in all these events has no substance and no honesty and no honour in it. Putin did what eh did. We always tolerated it and deliberately decided to not confront him over it.

Imagine the lessons he las learned from that. And he is right with them.

Now we explicitly tell him that whatever he does in the ukraine, we will not confront him seriously, with violence to end his violence.

There is only one lesson he can learned from that.

Card Blanche, that is. The Ukrainians maybe can coivneitonally defeta the Russians. Onxy then to see their state being annihlated by use of nuclear wepaons.

Will we be a passive audience to that massacre show, or will we start to do something about that?

Putin will not end with the Ukraine, if he lives long enough.

[Catfish]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500026179222482946?t=9DAhz7_xWhz6vyMRh4d3NQ&s=08

[mapuc]

Just read Skybirds in-deep analysis to u crank's comment.

How much is he on the spot here ? I fear that he hit the nail which have made me nervous.

Markus

[Skybird]

have made me nervous.

Markus
Its not worth it. What will be, will be. What is inevitable anyway, is useless to be nervous about.

That we do what we can do, that is what counts. So far we don't. That does not amke me nervous so much, but furious.

More could not be expected of anyone: that he does what he can do, for what is beyond his reach is beyond his control. Thats true for individuals. And for countries.

My Dad however is a bit down. He was one year old when his family got driven out by the Russians and Czechoslovaks, but in the years the family were refugees in Rostock, later in Münster, he was a young boy and then schoolboy and "teenager" (by age, not by schooling) - and that he remembers. He cried a lot the past days over the fate of the many people that need to flee now. My uncle is different there, he is furious, he is three years older than my father.

[Skybird]

The second attempt to evacuate the population at Mariupol has been stopped again. Again the Russians are shelling the escape route. Yesterday they claimed the ukrainains were not using it. I wonder what their stinking foul and cynical excuse today will be.


Zelensky says on Twitter a multiple missile attack has completely destroyed the civilian airport at Kyiv.

[u crank]

Just read Skybirds in-deep analysis to u crank's comment.

How much is he on the spot here ? I fear that he hit the nail which have made me nervous.

The world did not begin last week. The major players in orchestrating this disaster are strangely silent. The United States under Barrack Obama blatantly meddled in the affairs of another country and helped orchestrate the fall of a democratically elected leader Viktor Yanukovych. There is no excuse for such behavior. Yes Yanukovych was corrupt and yes he wanted to aligned Ukraine with Russia. In hindsight that seems like a better option than what we have right now or God forbid what we might get.

[Aktungbby]

Call it provoked if you want. The question you need to ask is, who is going to benefit from this war? Not you or I. Not the Russian or Ukrainian people. And if the same people who will benefit from it are now cheerleading it on I think it is safe to say that everyone including Putin is being played. War means suffering for some and profit for others. Been that way for a long time. We in the West watch as our leaders paint themselves into a corner and then clap like trained seals when those same leaders start moralizing and manipulating public opinion. It is so clearly a replay of GW Bush's Iraq incursion. Different actors, same movie. Profits must and will be maximized. The real enemy is the Washington based Neocon war lobby and the producers of the means of war. And those people are smiling.

The world did not begin last week. The major players in orchestrating this disaster are strangely silent. The United States under Barrack Obama blatantly meddled in the affairs of another country and helped orchestrate the fall of a democratically elected leader Viktor Yanukovych. There is no excuse for such behavior. Yes Yanukovych was corrupt and yes he wanted to aligned Ukraine with Russia. In hindsight that seems like a better option than what we have right now or God forbid what we might get.Preci$ely! $OP Proxy Warfare 101 with a few :o cyber blasts thrown in...moreover, like Cuba in the 60's missile crises and the decade in 'Nam, and the 20 years in Afghanistan, Ukraine is considered perfectly expendible... by both faction$.

[mapuc]

Are we sacrificing Ukraine for the price of world peace ?

Are we sending just enough weapons to Ukraine so they can haul the invaders some month ?

Edit
The comment was only a thought I had...then about a minute ago I read this Danish article

The West could - if we wanted to - prevent a Russian victory. The point, however, is that we do not want that. The cost is simply too great. We want to do a lot - and we do! - for the Ukrainian people. However, did not trigger a third world war.

Therefore, the result is actually given in advance. Well enough, the Russians have met far more resistance in connection with their brutal invasion than expected. But Putin is just not screwed up in such a way that he, with his tail between his legs, then orders his troops to retreat. On the contrary, the psychology of the Russian dictator is such that it is now that he becomes really dangerous.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/lederen/skal-vi-forlaenge-pinen/9160061?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Markus

[Armistead]

Are we sacrificing Ukraine for the price of world peace ?

Are we sending just enough weapons to Ukraine so they can haul the invaders some month ?

Edit
The comment was only a thought I had...then about a minute ago I read this Danish article



https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/lederen/skal-vi-forlaenge-pinen/9160061?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Markus

I think the 'system' loves war, and here in the US the old political establishment is full of Dems and Rep that push American expansion using war. The goal is to push our systems of values and economics, and of course economic resources. We don't care the amount of human suffering we cause, because we believe other kingdoms existing and expanding will do the same and democracy/capitalism is a much better option than what they have to offer.
I don't know if we really wanted this war, in policy we certainly opened the door to it and laid out the welcome mat. Strange, Biden said he wouldn't arm Ukraine before this because it might provoke Putin, while saying out the other end of his mouth, it was certain Russia would invade. So now we arm them 'some' at greater risk and gonna put Russia through a slow meatgrinder, at the expense of the Ukraine people of course. With mass sanctions it certainly is gonna wreck Russia and that benefits NATO, but at the risk of starting WW3 and nukes flying. The West really doesn't feel it will go that far with Putin and will eventually give him some way out after NATO resets the area's economics and politics to its favor. Is that the right thing to do considering China, IDK.

[Skybird]

Are we sacrificing Ukraine for the price of world peace ?

No. We sacrifice it for our illusion of getting a peace and our illusion that we can contain Putin by not provoking him.

The only way not to provoke Putin is to be paralysed and not moving at all. And even then he may feel "provoked" due to our mere existence and what our states stand for and what he utmost hates and dispises: usually summarized under the term "democracy".


We have underestimated this thing in him, too: his deep rooting hate for this thing that outlived his beloved thing his mind revolved around: the Sovjet Union. That the USSR is gone and democracy is still there, is a narcissistic offence that further fuels his hate.

[Red Devil]

Dont forget the Bidens involved in massive fraud in Ukraine.

[Skybird]

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:


In the fight against alleged neo-Nazis, Russia's armed forces show little regard for the civilian population. Once vibrant cities have turned into fields of rubble within days.

This relentlessness runs like a thread through Putin's career. In 1999/2000, his troops razed the Chechen capital Grozny to the ground, and in 2016 he dropped a hail of bombs on rebel-held parts of the Syrian metropolis of Aleppo. Now it is feared that this list will soon include cities such as Mariupol, Kiev and Kharkiv.

The shelling of Kharkiv with artillery shells and rockets this week seems particularly grotesque, because the eastern Ukrainian metropolis with a population of one and a half million is a city with a strong Russian influence. Until a few years ago, relations with Russia were very close; the border is only 35 kilometers away.

As recently as 2015, 84 percent of the inhabitants of Kharkiv province said in a survey that they spoke mainly Russian at home. The proportion of "ethnic Russians" in the narrower sense is smaller, but still high: in the last Ukrainian census in 2001, one in three of the city's inhabitants counted themselves as belonging to this nationality. In this war, therefore, Russia is also bringing death and suffering to members of its own ethnic group.

Kharkiv's mayor, Ihor Terekhov, significantly addressed the population in Russian on Thursday when he made a blazing call for resistance. "Kharkov will not surrender, we will win!" he said in it - and did not shy away from using the city's traditional Russian name. It is an indication that Kremlin propaganda of the suppression of everything Russian-speaking in Ukraine is massively exaggerated.

Speaking to CNN on Friday, the weary mayor spoke of numerous casualties. He accused Russia of deliberately shelling residential neighborhoods to target the population.

An assessment of recent attacks by U.S. military expert Michael Sheldon confirms that Russia makes no discernible distinction between civilian and military targets, and is thus allegedly committing serious war crimes. Based on ammunition remnants, Sheldon concludes that multiple rocket launchers and internationally proscribed cluster munitions were used.

The intent appears to be to wear down the metropolis with constant shelling and achieve a surrender after an incursion into the besieged city failed last weekend.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

[Rockstar]

Long video but I thought interesting enough to watch if you’re bored and looking for something to do.

https://youtu.be/VCXGQzuaNic

[Aktungbby]

Strange, Biden said he wouldn't arm Ukraine before this because it might provoke Putin, while saying out the other end of his mouth, it was certain Russia would invade. So now we arm them 'some' at greater risk and gonna put Russia through a slow meatgrinder, at the expense of the Ukraine people of course. With mass sanctions it certainly is gonna wreck Russia and that benefits NATO, but at the risk of starting WW3 and nukes flying. In the American Civil War in the bloodbaths of Shiloh, Antietam(Sharpsburg to you!:O:) and the Waterloo of Gettysburg, this tactic was called "feeding the fight". A slow measured tossing in of 'les expendables. Yesterday was the anniversary of racist Winston Churchills famous Fulton Missouri speech delineating the Iron Curtain from the Adriatic to the Baltic. It's restoration is Putin's sole ambition and legacy before he dies which will be shortly; hence his accelerated timetable and feeding the fight with WWII tactics (numbers have a cachet of their own) against tha able but outmatched Ukranains. His bad tactics , poor air cover and miserable stuck-in-mud convoys are expendible incl. one general, KIA by a sniper at an Airbase battle...:hmmm: At least this time around, the war is largely 'twixt 'white folk' and not persons-of-colour in remote corners of collapsed post-WWI economic empires-from the 19th century's Kaiser's Namibia, Leopold's Congo, to Ottoman's Balkan's Sarajevo 1914; to the recent 'Merican bugout in Kabul. Two miserable centuries of industrialized economic and actual slavery now back in proxy-resolution, where perhaps it belongs..in Europe.:hmmm: BOTTOM LINE: WWIII's Nukes ain't gonna help global warming:O:...but it might end the Covid pandemic!:o

[Catfish]

@Aktungbby - Still hiring?

[Catfish]

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/putin-ukraine-invasion-military-strategy/622956/

[Jimbuna]

Russia singles out London in threat against Ukraine supporters warning of 'tough retaliatory measures'
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-singles-out-london-in-threat-against-ukraine-supporters-warning-of-tough-retaliatory-measures/ar-AAUF48W?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

[mapuc]

^ I'm not thinking in military terms here..what Putin have in mind I can't say, only it is not a military response.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

SAS and Navy Seals lead bombshell plot to rescue Zelensky from Putin 'We owe him'
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/sas-and-navy-seals-lead-bombshell-plot-to-rescue-zelensky-from-putin-we-owe-him/ar-AAUGe7D?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

[Jimbuna]

A fresh bid to evacuate civilians from the southern city of Mariupol which began at 12:00 local time (10:00 GMT) has been halted.

The city council said the attempt was not possible due to Russian shelling.

A similar plan announced on Saturday was also aborted due to Russian attacks along a different route.

At least three people - a mother and two children - have been killed in mortar fire as residents fled the town of Irpin near Kyiv.

Russian forces are responding to Ukraine's resistance by targeting "populated areas" in several cities, according to the UK government.

More than 1.5m people have now fled Ukraine into neighbouring countries, the UN says.

More than 3,000 are reportedly detained in Russian cities after jailed opposition figure Alexei Navalny calls for anti-war protests.

Russia's military action will not stop until Moscow's demands are met, Vladimir Putin says.

Payment giants Mastercard and Visa are suspending operations in Russia.

[Buddahaid]

Long video but I thought interesting enough to watch if you’re bored and looking for something to do.

https://youtu.be/VCXGQzuaNic

That was interesting.

[Skybird]

Russia singles out London in threat against Ukraine supporters warning of 'tough retaliatory measures'
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-singles-out-london-in-threat-against-ukraine-supporters-warning-of-tough-retaliatory-measures/ar-AAUF48W?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug
Is that because of the many Russian oligarchs in London whom the UK govenrment finds so far much more difficult to sanction and crack down on than the EU (writes our press at least)? These oligarchs represent financial activity in favour of Moscow. No wonder that Putin tries to intimidate London to not touch them.



I said intimidation. Do not be mistaken. After the berbal/behavioural threat comes the real action, and nobody should think it could not also include any sort of violent aqciton, even military action. Putin means what he says.



That is in no way meant to to not confront him. It only means to ring general quarters and be ready for everything when one does.

[mapuc]

^ For once I hope you're wrong Skybird

I say it will not be a military response.
(This is my personally standpoint-Don't like the thought of what you wrote)

Markus

[Skybird]

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/putin-ukraine-invasion-military-strategy/622956/


:up:

[Skybird]

^ For once I hope you're wrong Skybird

I say it will not be a military response.
(This is my personally standpoint-Don't like the thought of what you wrote)

Markus
It must not be military, but could, absolutely. But in a more general sense, it could mean economic as well as a "violent" of any kind retaliation.



I only mean nobody should rule something out because he thinks "Yes, Putin is abad guy, but this now he certainly cannot do!". He can, and if he wants, he will. Without remorse. For that, we should be prepared.

[Skybird]

Deutsche Welle writes:


Doubts about the attractiveness of NATO membership are rapidly fading in Sweden and Finland. The reason for this is the unprovoked invasion by Vladimir Putin's troops in Ukraine. A recent opinion poll in Sweden highlights the dramatic shift in public perception: 41 percent of Swedes are now in favor of NATO membership, 35 percent are against, and 24 percent remain undecided. So, for the first time, a majority is not against but in favor of membership.

In Finland, this change of heart is even more pronounced. For the first time since NATO's inception, a majority of Finns favor joining NATO.

"Until recently, it was only 24 to 28 percent. A few weeks later, we have a majority of 53 percent, which is absolutely astounding," Henri Vanhanen, foreign policy advisor to the Finnish opposition National Rally Party, emphasized to DW.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

[mapuc]

it could mean economic as well


No I wonder-What kind of economical thing can Putin do against London ?

Markus

[Skybird]

No I wonder-What kind of economical thing can Putin do against London ?

Markus
The UK in 2021 had a trade deficit with Russia. Russia could stop trading at all, which woudl hit the UK harder than Russia, therefore.

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-trade-with-russia/

Or Germany. If Russia stops selling oil, ores and gas to Germany, Germany has the bigger problem immediately.

[mapuc]

If I read the article correct it would hurt a lot for the British people if Russia cut it's economical ties to them.

It's not only German who would suffer-Even Denmark who's importing around 90 % of it's natural gas from Russia.

This accounts for about 15% of our energy consumption

Nevertheless this evening the Danish parliament has decided to cut the ties to Gazprom as soon as possible.

Markus

[Skybird]

to cut the ties to Gazprom as soon as possible.


Counted in years, I suppose? :D


Well, then many Ukrainians will be dead and the county probably either is a black desert o fully assimilated.


And then the voices will make themselves heard that argue: now while it is over , why then continue with sanctions? Don'T beleive it will happen? Well, the first of the 16 German minister presidents already has said we should not cut all ties to Russia.

Relativity in political action.

Germany should distribute electric heat radiators and buy plenty of French evil nuclear energy :) and plenty of Polish dirty coal energy :D to run them, and cut all gas deals with Russia NOW. We pay Russia's war day for day. We could as well deliver the Russians the ammo. Same guilt is shared by every other nation doing business with Russia, still.

[mapuc]

Here's an interesting article translated from Danish

Facing the Russian enemy is Ukraine, which is supported by NATO countries whose total defense budgets are 14 times larger than Russia's. And every time a Ukrainian soldier launches a high-tech weapon, NATO stands ready to deliver another.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/opinionen/randahfinkisaksen/er-putin-ved-at-tabe/9162444?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

[Armistead]

The UK in 2021 had a trade deficit with Russia. Russia could stop trading at all, which woudl hit the UK harder than Russia, therefore.

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-trade-with-russia/

Or Germany. If Russia stops selling oil, ores and gas to Germany, Germany has the bigger problem immediately.

We can hope the West sees that selling itself out to communist countries was a disaster and reset, though it will be economically painful to do so for a few decades. I know, funny thought.
Last I checked we're still using Russia to work a nuke deal with Iran and funnel Iran billions of our dollars for the same deal they broke numerous aspects of last time. So I guess we will continue to fund their terrorism.
Of course the West has sold its economic soul to China for the cheap and God knows what they have planned, a worse virus, take Taiwan, more. We should be arming Taiwan to the hilt right now.

[mapuc]

The war in Ukraine will affect us more than we think

"We were already in a difficult situation before the war... and now it's additional disruption to the supply chains and we're getting close to the most important part of this season for the Northern hemisphere, where a lot of fertiliser needs to move on and that will quite likely be impacted."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60623941

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Russian shelling is still preventing the evacuation of civilians from besieged cities, Ukraine says.

Attacks are said to continue despite a proposal from Russia to create safe escape routes.

Russia said earlier that humanitarian corridors would allow people to leave Kyiv, Mariupol, Sumy and Kharkiv today.

But Ukraine branded the proposal "immoral" after it emerged many of the routes would only take civilians to Russia or its ally Belarus.

Two ceasefire attempts in Mariupol, where people are running out of food, collapsed at the weekend.

About 1,000 people have been able to flee Irpin, north-west of the capital Kyiv, despite continued Russian shelling.

Oil prices have soared to a 13-year high due to the crisis.

[mapuc]

Taken from a Danish article

- What we are seeing right now in the energy market is a huge gift to Putin.

- The United States and the European Union will have to decide. Should we stop gas and oil from Russia, or should we not?

- As long as there is just talk about it, Putin can sit and collect huge sums of money.

A 4 billion kroner per day
This is how it sounds today from the energy analyst Simone Tagliapietra from the think tank Bruegel in Brussels about the harsh messages that come from i.a. the Danish government that we must completely stop Russian gas. And the way the energy market has reacted

Markus

[Jimbuna]

A third round of talks is set to be held between Ukrainian and Russian negotiators from 16:00 Kyiv time (14:00 GMT), according to Ukrainian officials.

A new Russian plan for a temporary ceasefire in Ukraine allowing civilians access to certain humanitarian corridors has been criticised - with the UK calling it "cynical beyond belief" and Ukraine branding it "immoral"

Under Moscow's proposal, civilians fleeing Ukraine's capital Kyiv would be offered safe passage to Russia's ally Belarus, while those in Kharkiv will have a corridor leading only to Russia itself.

Evacuation routes from the besieged cities of Mariupol and Sumy will lead to other Ukrainian cities and to Russian ones.

Ukraine says Russian forces are targeting hospitals, nurseries and schools - and civilians have been caught up in the assault.

But Russia denies targeting civilians, saying it is carrying out a "special military operation" against Ukrainian "nationalists" and "neo-Nazis"

Petrol prices have hit another record high as oil prices jumped to $139 a barrel while wholesale gas prices for next-day delivery more than doubled. The average price of a litre of petrol in the UK hit 155p for the first time.

It came as the US hinted at a ban on buying Russian energy, as it looked to other countries to increase supplies.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is holding talks with the Canadian and Dutch prime ministers in London, as Western powers prepare to agree further sanctions on Russia.

Amid scrutiny of the UK's policy on Ukrainian refugees, Johnson insisted the government would be "very generous" to people fleeing the country but would not let them in without any checks.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayC5iY-eIxY

[Armistead]

Someone with a brain knowledgeable explain what the facts are. Reps are screaming for Biden to open up and drill oil, the Biden admin says oil companies have 1000's of permits where they can drill and choose not to do so. I suspect that's correct, but also suspect there's a reason they don't.

[Red Devil]

Saw a programme on tv about underground caverns mines etc. This one dealt with a zinc mine under New Jersey and, more interesting, a Norwegian sub base under a mountain. A lot of the area is still secret and cant be seen. NATO subs call in and there a immense workshops and quarters for crew swaps etc. It covers all the area used by Russian shipping. It is technically now in private hands but the military still have a big say in its use.

[Platapus]

When you have a resource of that strategic importance, it is good strategy to use the oil from other countries first.



You don't want to be the first country to run out of oil, you want to be the last.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgPumq2fzpI

[Aktungbby]

/\The War of the Yellow stripes vs the White (russian)Stripes? :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Russia offered to take in Ukrainian refugees in Russia. The vicious spite and inhuman cynicism of this barbaric gang of criminals in the Kremlin is beyond my imagination. They could present the evil Ukrainians as murderers, from whom they would have brushed the poor Ukrainians into safety, and they could underline that there is no difference between Ukrainians and Russians and that Ukrainians are Russians, just as the genocidal Putin does not tire of lying to the world. That the Ukrainians have indignantly rejected the Russian "offer", is now again twisted to their disadvantage by the scum in the Kremlin. It is disgusting.

Man eaters and killers of souls, and they even demand to be addressed and regarded as men of honor. Monstrous beasts they are, bestial, rabid and vicious from the skin to the marrow. Their names should be mentioned in the same breath as that of Hitler and his Nazi henchmen. Stalin cannot be mentioned - to be equated with this butcher they would accept as a great compliment.

The lowest the human race has to offer. Scum of the Earth.



Sadism as political principle. Cynism as state reason. And Russia always has been like this, since the first Tsars and before.

[Jimbuna]

It will all come out eventually Sky. Despite their efforts to subdue and silence the press, the people and the rest of the world.

Truth will eventually prevail.

[mapuc]

It will all come out eventually Sky. Despite their efforts to subdue and silence the press, the people and the rest of the world.

Truth will eventually prevail.

Which will be rejected as fake for some and the truth for others.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

I'm just wondering when the Ruskies'll deliver Vlad the Bastard to the Hague's ICC for warcrimes trial...:haha:...my sole terms to lift ever-tightening sanctions: "Surrender your tyrant and bring back the Czar!(the current Romanov is an American citizen...talk about interfering in elections!? :timeout:

[Skybird]

It will all come out eventually Sky. Despite their efforts to subdue and silence the press, the people and the rest of the world.

Truth will eventually prevail.


Really?


FOCUS writes:


The Ukrainian armed forces have surprised Putin's army with their combat strength - but so far no one on the Russian side wants to admit this officially. Now a document has emerged that strongly criticizes Russia's leadership for its haphazard approach. It was allegedly written by an analyst of the Russian secret service FSB.
FSB criticism causes a stir - no evidence of a fake so far

The letter is quite explosive - if it is genuine. It cannot be definitively verified at present. A journalist of the investigative portal "Bellingcat" submitted the text to two FSB sources. They confirmed that the paper could well have come from the FSB. Of course, this is not a definitive confirmation.

The document is so explosive because it paints an unsparing picture of Russia's presumably haphazard invasion of Ukraine - and predicts some devastating consequences.

For example, FSB staff had long provided analyses for supposedly hypothetical planning games that politicians wanted to hear: "But then it turns out that the hypothesis has become reality, and the analysis we conducted on it is total garbage," the report says. A little later, the FSB agent writes, "We are up to our necks in ****."

It goes on to say (in excerpts):

"The blitzkrieg failed. With reasonable information in advance, we would have at least pointed out that the original plan is disputed, that there is a lot to revise, a lot."
The Ukrainians and the Ukrainian army are extremely motivated and have good weapons and commanders, he said. The analyst writes: "We will set a precedent for human disasters in the world. Now even those who were loyal to us are against us."
Russia could not declare a general mobilization for two reasons: First, it would "tear" the country apart politically, economically, and socially; and second, logistics are "already overloaded."
One has lost track of the losses on the Russian side, he said. "Casualties are guaranteed to be in the thousands. Maybe 10,000, maybe 5,000, maybe only 2,000, but it's probably closer to 10,000."
A siege could last Ukrainian cities "for years" because of aid supplies coming from Europe.
For the duration of the conflict, he said, the deadline is June. "Because by June, there will be no economy left in Russia - there will be nothing left." And, he said, by summer, a global famine is "inevitable."
Now, he said, we have to wait until "some crappy adviser convinces them up there" to give Europe a choice: Either war or ease sanctions.
A local nuclear strike is conceivable - not militarily useful, but to "intimidate the others".

The analyst predicts that in the coming week one of the sides in Russia will collapse: War supporters or war opponents. The current tensions cannot be sustained any longer.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (http://www.DeepL.com/Translator) (free version)


I think it is high time that the West considers to go ahead of them and intimidate them first. I am convinced we cannot afford to not react to them using nukes, and that we owe it to everything we claim our civilizational values stand for to not just tolerate it and react with symbolical political and economic things.

[mapuc]

I'll post again it's a very interesting article from BBC and is about what Skybird mentioned in his Red text ^

Yara International, which operates in more than 60 countries, buys considerable amounts of essential raw materials from Russia.

Fertiliser prices were already high due to soaring wholesale gas prices.

Yara's boss, Svein Tore Holsether, has warned the situation could get even tougher.

"Things are changing by the hour," he told the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60623941

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-N0lUvXacs

[Aktungbby]

the russian Krieg has lost its BlitzReally?
FOCUS writes:
The Ukrainian armed forces have surprised Putin's army with their combat strength - but so far no one on the Russian side wants to admit this officially. Now a document has emerged that strongly criticizes Russia's leadership for its haphazard approach. It was allegedly written by an analyst of the Russian secret service FSB.
FSB criticism causes a stir - no evidence of a fake so far

The letter is quite explosive - if it is genuine. It cannot be definitively verified at present. A journalist of the investigative portal "Bellingcat" submitted the text to two FSB sources. They confirmed that the paper could well have come from the FSB. Of course, this is not a definitive confirmation.

The document is so explosive because it paints an unsparing picture of Russia's presumably haphazard invasion of Ukraine - and predicts some

"The blitzkrieg failed. With reasonable information in advance, we would have at least pointed out that the original plan is disputed, that there is a lot to revise, a lot." Rule one of warfare: once the enemy is engaged the A plan changes...usually well past 'plan B'; obviously with the outspoken, suddenly peace-touting oligarch wallets(& megayachts) on the line(think: "greed is good" meets 'rubles is the [I]sinews of war') who ever wrote that report better be a very high ranking FSB joe...or it's a one-way trip to an old gulag with a lonely woods for him...nerve agent or Makarov pistol round optional...Putin will not tolerate "loss of face" at this stage of the game. Even NeoNazi Jew, President Zelenski knew not to hold a peace conference in Belarus?!! :oops::shifty::dead: The crematoriums on those Russian artillary trucks are working overtime; ultimately, Vlad the Bastard has to answer to a lot of babushka-moms with dead sons in Ukraine...Moreover the longer NATO "feeds the fight" the longer buddy Xi's equally greedy China will wait before the Commies' other shoe drops and Taiwan is invaded.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jxPqeOF5s

[mapuc]

One thing I find interesting in watching the livestream from the war in Ukraine is the comments by other viewer.

They are how should I put it...fascinating

No I'm not a member so I can't post a comment-I don't feel for it either.

Markus

[Skybird]

FOCUS writes:

21:29 LOC: Russia has for the first time openly threatened to stop gas supplies through the Baltic Sea pipeline Nord Stream 1 after the start of the war against Ukraine. "We have the full right to make a "mirror" decision and impose an embargo on the transit of gas through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, which today has a maximum capacity of 100 percent," Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak said on state television on Monday evening.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (http://www.DeepL.com/Translator) (free version)

I hope they do it. So to force the German government to realise that they have to go without buying anything form Russia anymore NOW.

It gets further reported that US sources think that Russia now has sent into battle 100% of all those forces that were readied for the assault on the Ukraine. Or in plain English: all its forces are now fully committed.


Finally, according to the investment bank Morgan Stanley, Russia could face national bankruptcy as early as mid-April. This is reported by Bloomberg.
"We believe a default is the most likely scenario," Simon Waever, head of emerging market sovereign bonds, wrote in a note Monday. "In the event of a default, it is unlikely to be a normal default, with Venezuela perhaps being the best comparison."


No matter what, the Russian economy will take a deep dive lasting for many, many years. They will be able to feed their people, and not much more, I assume. Agriculturally they are autark.


The Ukraine has stopped exporting agricultural products and wheat. This is bad news for Africa.

[mapuc]

They are not going to cut the flow of gas and Oil...Putin earns billion of dollars each day due the high prices on gas and oil.

That is what I think-close the only thing that pump money into the Russian state-No !?

Markus

[Skybird]

They are not going to cut the flow of gas and Oil...Putin earns billion of dollars each day due the high prices on gas and oil.

Stopping it does hit some European nations dearly and immediately (which is the important thing), though not Germany this winter, our reserves are low, but will be sufficient to bring us over the remaining winter, sinc eit was a mild one. Much of that gas in that pipeline is just transferred through germany, too, we do nit so muchdirectly consume fromt zat pipeline, but get our gas fix from other parts of the grid.

The fun starts next autumn and winter, and during summer already when the reserves must be filled up. Germany was so clever to hand most control of these reserve installation over to - Russia. If we want to mess something up, then we do it right and completely.

It will also be fun to watch at the price tags later this year. And the inflation. And probably stagflation.

[mapuc]

If the gas and oil flow from Russia should stop it will not be by the hand of Russian it will be by our politician in EU.

If they can unite in this.

In the news I read two Russian fighter jet was shot down at 20:30 and 21:10 near Kyiv.
They, the Russian does NOT control the sky as said earlier-Far from it.

Edit
I can understand why US and Britain has special forces ready to help Zelensky escape.
If he get killed the only hope the Ukrainian have would be gone-His person means a lot for the army and the ordinary people in Ukraine.

End edit

Markus

[mapuc]

Maybe this could be of interest for some of you

https://militaryland.net/ukraine/deployment-map/

Markus

[August]

Maybe this could be of interest for some of you

https://militaryland.net/ukraine/deployment-map/

Markus




That's pretty cool Markus, thanks for posting. If it is anywhere near accurate it offers a no crap picture of the military situation.

[Armistead]

It seems the gas flow from Russia to Europe has only increased since the war along with the money flowing to Russia. It's just amazing we're funding the invasion and funding to defend against it. Sounds like Syria where we fund everyone and everyone fights everyone. This is really inexcusable! https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/is-war-ukraine-impacting-russian-gas-supplies-europe-2022-03-07/

[Rockstar]

Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire. Russia without Ukraine can still strive for imperial status, but it would then become a predominantly Asian imperial state, more likely to be drawn into debilitating conflicts with aroused Central Asians, who would then be resentful of the loss of their recent independence and would be supported by their fellow Islamic states to the south.

China would also be likely to oppose any restoration of Russian domination over Central Asia, given its increasing interest in the newly independent states there.

However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as its access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia. Ukraine's loss of independence would have immediate consequences for Central Europe, transforming Poland into the geopolitical pivot on the eastern frontier of a united Europe.

‘The Grand (not Great ;)) Chessboard’ - Zbigniew Brzezinski

[Skybird]

This is heart-breaking.



FOCUS:


Moving scenes took place over the weekend in a bunker in the Ukrainian capital Kiev. A little girl entertained a group of shelter seekers with the song "Let it Go" from Disney's - "Ice Queen" - and moved everyone present to tears.

Marta Smekhova, who recorded the video, wrote on Facebook that she filmed little Amelia - the child's name - with her mother's permission.

"From the first word in the bomb shelter, there was complete silence," Smekhova reported on Facebook. Everyone present would have listened spellbound to the girl sing the song from the well-known Disney movie. As she pans her camera around the crowded room, people can be seen lying on the floor and holding out. A mother with a stroller even wipes tears from her face.

Before her performance, the girl had said that she dreamed of "performing on the big stage in front of an audience." Smekhova had been able to persuade the girl to sing in the basement for the people holding out. She had to promise Amelia that she would redistribute the video of her performance, she said. "Amelia really wanted this," she wrote on Facebook.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJxAvl33Dw


I want the scum in the Kremlin getting skinned alive.



I was with my parents Monday evening, my Dad had birthday. Some minutes we talked on the war too, and my Mum told how it was when she gave birth to me, that it was easy delivery, and that she was very happy, and when a nurse wanted to give here a sleeping help, my mum said she almost snapped at her and said "Are you stupid ?! Let me enjoy the feeling I have now", and she told me of the looks out of the windows and the sun and the naked trees and sounds and that it was bitter cold and that she was so happy because the little worm - me - had smiled at her so agreeingly and that she felt in touch with all and everything and that it was a wonderful experience and moment.

And that she had seen a film yesterday in the news of women in bunkers that gave birth to their babies with artillery being heard and no windows only concrete and fluorescent lights and hectic and war - and these young mothers being stripped forever of any chance to feel for themselves what she had felt back then, chance being stolen from them and the precious moments that they never will have a chance to realise later on, this moment of happiness and fulfillment and being one with all around.

My mum cried a bit. Some days ago my dad cried, remembering some youth experiences from his childhood (his family were refugees, too).



Skinning the Kremlin scum alive is still too good for what they do to so many people whose only sin was to resist to their desire to enslave them. Even those who survive, do not get injured even, maybe, so many lifes being turned upside down, so many chances of selfulfillment destroyed , hopes for a fair chance in life - all shattered. For nothing else but this sadistic, cyncial, psychotic scum in the Kremlin.



Skin them alive.

[mapuc]

That's pretty cool Markus, thanks for posting. If it is anywhere near accurate it offers a no crap picture of the military situation.

I notice it later-Many of the troops position was from 2021

Edit
I have the ‘The Grand Chessboard’ - Zbigniew Brzezinski
as a pdf-book if interested
End edit
Markus

[Onkel Neal]

I heard on the news just now Putin is offering to stop the invasion immediately if the Ukrainian govt will pledge never to seek NATO membership and to accept the loss of Crimea and Donbas.

Christ, take the deal, it's giving up something you've already lost to avoid losing everything, which is a certainty.

[ET2SN]

It sounds like you saying that if a bully starts to pick on you at school, have your mother bake him a cake.

What happens when Putin changes his mind again? What happens when Ukraine becomes the stepping-off point for another invasion to the west?

I'm just asking these questions. :yeah:

https://images.dailykos.com/images/1045689/story_image/TMW2022-03-09color.png?1646593949

[Buddahaid]

I don't believe Putin is serious either. What's that on your shirt?
https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT4uQmGO5Sehm9ymDS/giphy.gif

[Reece]

This sounds like wishful thinking Neal, I'd say it's fake news! If not then yes they should certainly go for it! :hmmm:

[ET2SN]

If not then yes they should certainly go for it! :hmmm:

Remember, you're getting nuclear fast attacks out of a similar deal. :up:

[Aktungbby]

I heard on the news just now Putin is offering to stop the invasion immediately if the Ukrainian govt will pledge never to seek NATO membership and to accept the loss of Crimea and Donbas.

Christ, take the deal, it's giving up something you've already lost to avoid losing everything, which is a certainty.Only if they agree to submit to all war crimes committed to be determined by the ICC in the Hague.

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0OWPjdLzU


:Kaleun_Applaud:

[Jimbuna]

I heard on the news just now Putin is offering to stop the invasion immediately if the Ukrainian govt will pledge never to seek NATO membership and to accept the loss of Crimea and Donbas.

Christ, take the deal, it's giving up something you've already lost to avoid losing everything, which is a certainty.

I think I would take that deal as set out by you but I believe one condition not mentioned is the requirement to 'de-nazyfication' (or whichever way it should be spelled) meaning the resignation of Zelensky and the government.

[Jimbuna]

The UN has told the BBC that the number of refugees fleeing the war in Ukraine has passed two million.

People are fleeing the north-eastern city of Sumy, and Irpin, near Kyiv, after ceasefires were agreed to allow civilians to escape.

However, Ukrainian officials say Russia is shelling an evacuation route from the besieged southern city of Mariupol.

In the past few days, several evacuation plans have collapsed amid continued Russian attacks.

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says Russian troops have not progressed as they hoped and are now "getting more desperate"

Shell says it will immediately stop all spot purchases of Russian crude oil following criticism.

The Russian deputy PM has warned that Moscow could retaliate against European sanctions by cutting off natural gas to the bloc.

[Jimbuna]

Why do the words 'Hypocrisy and Taiwan' immediately spring to mind?

Chinese President Xi Jinping has described the situation in Ukraine as worrying and called for "maximum restraint".

He made the comments during a virtual meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Chinese state broadcaster CCTV reports.

Xi said the priority should be preventing the situation in Ukraine from spinning out of control, and said the three countries should jointly support peace talks between Russia and Ukraine.

China and Russia currently enjoy a close diplomatic relationship and Beijing has neither condemned nor condoned the action against Ukraine. However China did abstain from a UN Security Council vote condemning the invasion.

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine has called for sanctions to be expanded to include a ban on Russian oil exports.

But if an oil ban were to go ahead, Russia has warned it could cut off gas supplies to other countries.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/58888451

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuYINyj3Udg

[Skybird]

Now I know why people bought toilet paper like crazy two years ago. They planned to pay their debts with sheets of toilet paper. Evil wicked banks however did not accept it.

[Jimbuna]

It will take decades for the Russians to regain their credibility and other countries trust in them if ever at all.

[MaDef]

I heard on the news just now Putin is offering to stop the invasion immediately if the Ukrainian govt will pledge never to seek NATO membership and to accept the loss of Crimea and Donbas.

Christ, take the deal, it's giving up something you've already lost to avoid losing everything, which is a certainty.

déjà vu i.e., the 1938 Munich agreement.

[Skybird]

It will take decades for the Russians to regain their credibility and other countries trust in them if ever at all.
Fa rmore relevant is the quesiton how long it will take the Ukrainians to rebuilt their country, and whether or not the barbarians attacking them will ever pay reparations. Of course, we know it already, they will not.

[Skybird]

I heard on the news just now Putin is offering to stop the invasion immediately if the Ukrainian govt will pledge never to seek NATO membership and to accept the loss of Crimea and Donbas.

Christ, take the deal, it's giving up something you've already lost to avoid losing everything, which is a certainty.


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Selenskyj has shown himself willing to hold talks on the status of the separatist areas in the east of the country and the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea annexed by Russia. Speaking to U.S. broadcaster ABC on Monday evening (local time), Selenskyj at the same time made clear that he would not respond to demands from Moscow to recognize the independence of the self-proclaimed "people's republics" as well as Russian rule over Crimea. "I am ready for dialogue. But we are not ready for surrender."
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung

[...] the Ukrainian president said, "We can discuss and find a compromise on how these territories can continue." He said it is important to pay attention to how the people there who want to be part of Ukraine are doing. It is a much more complicated issue than just recognition, he said. "This is another ultimatum, and we do not recognize ultimatums."
Selenskyj again called on Russian President Vladimir Putin for direct negotiations. "What President Putin needs to do is to start a conversation, a dialogue, instead of continuing to live in an information bubble without oxygen." Selensky conceded that Russia has air sovereignty over Ukraine. He again called for a no-fly zone. The point, he said, was to prevent missile strikes on civilian facilities.
With regard to NATO, Selensky expressed disappointment. He said the alliance is not ready to accept Ukraine as a member. "The alliance is afraid of controversial issues and a confrontation with Russia." He hinted at refraining from joining. Ukraine is not a country on its knees begging for anything, he said. Since a constitutional amendment in 2019, NATO accession has been the former Soviet republic's stated goal.
Die Welt


Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (http://www.DeepL.com/Translator) (free version)

[Skybird]

This is a Ukrainian slource on how Russia changes the demography in Crimea and in the Donbass.



https://uacrisis.org/en/massive-russification-how-russia-populates-the-occupied-territories


Two weeks ago I linked a result from the Ukrainian census 2001 or 2002, it showed that back then only the Crimean had a real majority of people speaking Russian (58%). Already both in the Donbass and Luhansk regions they had no such majprity anymore. - Well, twenty years ago.



However, that people speak Ukrainians does not mean they are pro-Russian, also many are bi-lingual, speak both languages. Russia has failed to motivate Russian speaking Ukrainians for revolting against Kyiv and joing the invaders. Most Russian speakers, an overwhelming majoity of them, voluntarily fight against the Russian attackers.


I mean from the language spoken you cannot automatically conclude on the nationality that is preferred.

[Jimbuna]

Fa rmore relevant is the quesiton how long it will take the Ukrainians to rebuilt their country, and whether or not the barbarians attacking them will ever pay reparations. Of course, we know it already, they will not.

To quote an often used UK saying...."You've more chance of getting bitten on your bottom than that ever happening"

[Skybird]

And again the Russians shell the "humanitarian corridor" at Mariupol, letting the evacuation and escape of civilians collapse for the repeated time.

[Otto Harkaman]

Ukraine War: The 40 mile Convoy is Worse Than You Think
https://youtu.be/FDKH_FxFdrw

[Jimbuna]

Less than thirty minutes ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWf-491wF_g

[Armistead]

Ukraine has called for sanctions to be expanded to include a ban on Russian oil exports.

But if an oil ban were to go ahead, Russia has warned it could cut off gas supplies to other countries.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/58888451

I see the US is going to ban imports, but I doubt many will follow. If Putin cuts oil off experts say it could go to over $300 per barrel. When it was clear months ago Putin was going to invade we should've taken extreme action to increase energy, but once again we're reacting after the fact.

[Jimbuna]

I see the US is going to ban imports, but I doubt many will follow. If Putin cuts oil off experts say it could go to over $300 per barrel. When it was clear months ago Putin was going to invade we should've taken extreme action to increase energy, but once again we're reacting after the fact.

True that :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Putin gives bizarre 'special message' to wives and daughters on International Women's Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIW_Pl-SrTk

[Onkel Neal]

I think I would take that deal as set out by you but I believe one condition not mentioned is the requirement to 'de-nazyfication' (or whichever way it should be spelled) meaning the resignation of Zelensky and the government.


Yeah, I know it's flaky but I would totally call them on it. Make pledges, stage some "nazi" round ups, do all kinds of theater and make it known to the world that Ukraine says yes, pull out the troops and we will do these things.

As far as Ukraine honoring the agreement in the future, bah, promises made under duress are not valid and who cares about lying to a dictator. :O:

But if they could stop the killing and destruction and return to 2021 status, why not?

[mapuc]

!!?? I've heard and read The Ukrainian President should be a Jew.

If this is correct then it must be the first time a Jew is a neonazist

Markus

[Jimbuna]

He is Jewish but Vladolf Putrid and his nest of vipers conveniently never ,ake reference to that.

[Onkel Neal]

I wonder where are our Russian SUBSIM members? Are they blocked from all the Internet outside of the motherland?

[Jimbuna]

I wonder where are our Russian SUBSIM members? Are they blocked from all the Internet outside of the motherland?

I did read on FB the WWW was being closed over there but I'm not sure how accurate that information is.

Tis certainly still working in Punjab though :)

:03:

[mapuc]

I wonder where are our Russian SUBSIM members? Are they blocked from all the Internet outside of the motherland?

I been wondering the same-Where are they our Russian friends.
I would love to read their standpoint about this war(I would respect it, maybe not agree, but respect it)

Furthermore-This is good news. The Ruskies are desperate

Mr Wallace noted that the 40-mile armoured convoy of Russian tanks outside Kyiv remains “stuck” having been stationed there for a week now and added that Ukrainian forces were able to destroy at least 20 Russian helicopters overnight.

https://inews.co.uk/news/ukraine-war-russia-troops-desperate-invasion-failure-ben-wallace-1503652

Lost more than 20 Helicopter during one day :o

Edit
Will they use weapon of mass destruction in their desperation ?
End edit

Markus

[Catfish]

2nd russian general killed

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-says-killed-russia-general-vitaly-gerasimov-intercepted-fsb-call-2022-3

[Onkel Neal]

If Vladimir Putin comes to the conclusion that he has no future he may well decide nobody else should have a future either, BCA Research says.

There's a 10% chance of a nuclear apocalypse in the next year, one research firm says (https://seekingalpha.com/news/3810284-theres-a-10-change-of-a-nuclear-apocalypse-in-the-next-year-one-research-firm-says)

I would make it closer to 50/50 myself.

[Jimbuna]

This guy has been my favourite tv presenter for quite a few years now.

The BBC's Clive Myrie, who has left Ukraine, reflects on the indomitable locals he met in Kyiv - convinced they would defeat the Russians.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60653966

[Susexx]

I wonder where are our Russian SUBSIM members? Are they blocked from all the Internet outside of the motherland?

Hello. No, everything works fine with us and social networks and the Internet. I'm tired of just reading fake news. I don't write here because I'm not a particularly desirable writer)))

[Jeff-Groves]

I would love to read their standpoint about this war(I would respect it, maybe not agree, but respect it)


Markus
You'd be warned about being lead around by the nose.
:roll:

And don't DARE give the impression your not following in step with the majority opinion here!

[kranz]

BMP-2 kills civillians

https://twitter.com/Buckarobanza/status/1501166335493087242

https://twitter.com/chaotisch_gut/status/1498489491589406722 (graphic)

[mapuc]

You'd be warned about being lead around by the nose.
:roll:

And don't DARE give the impression your not following in step with the majority opinion here!


I DO follow the majority's standpoint-Ukraine is good fighting a survival battle against the EVIL Russia.

Slava Ukraini

Markus

[Skybird]

!!?? I've heard and read The Ukrainian President should be a Jew.

If this is correct then it must be the first time a Jew is a neonazist

Markus
Told from a TV docu: when Selensky was elected, he was not exactly that popular nevertheless, because they said he had a past as comedian in Russia, mocking at the cost of the Ukraine. Putin, who is antisemitic himself, saw this as a great opporutntiy to seize this media war asset: a Ukrainian Jew mocking the Ukraine surely shows how Nazi and how wicked the Ukraine is and how Jew-loving Russia is. How wonderful! Now, this man then "betraying him", turning out to become immensely popular, and a strong leader and icon of the resistence - that is a traitor whose treason Putin will never forget and never forgive, he takes it personal : he must pay with his life for his treason and all he loves must be killed, too! Thats the real reason, I would say, why Zelenski is No.1 on the assassination list - and his wife No. 2.

For the sake of completeness, there are Jews turning Nazi for some strange reasons, too, one had that in Europe during WW2, and in Israel there is a small Jewish Nazi organsiation, or at least there was one some years ago. Don't ask me about the Why, my imagination has limits. In a world where they say ther are over 60 gender and we can freely decide and switch between being male or female, nothing surprises me anymore.

[Aktungbby]

Rule one of warfare: once the enemy is engaged the A plan changes...usually well past 'plan B'; obviously with the outspoken, suddenly peace-touting oligarch wallets(& megayachts) on the line(think: "greed is good" meets 'rubles is the sinews of war') who ever wrote that report better be a very high ranking FSB joe...or it's a one-way trip to an old gulag with a lonely woods for him...nerve agent or Makarov pistol round optional...Putin will not tolerate "loss of face" at this stage of the game. Even NeoNazi Jew, President Zelenski knew not to hold a peace conference in Belarus?!! :oops::shifty::dead: The crematoriums on those Russian artillary trucks are working overtime; ultimately, Vlad the Bastard has to answer to a lot of babushka-moms with dead sons in Ukraine...Moreover the longer NATO "feeds the fight" the longer buddy Xi's equally greedy China will wait before the Commies' other shoe drops and Taiwan is invaded.

Why do the words 'Hypocrisy and Taiwan' immediately spring to mind?

It will take decades for the Russians to regain their credibility and other countries trust in them if ever at all.
If ever! We owe Vlad the Bastard one though; NATO's tepid act is swiftly unifying itself. Chairmman Xi is reconsidering his recently stated "friendship with no limits" relationship with Vlad the Bastard who obligingly held off the attack till after the Olymics were done!. In a speech on this date in 1983, President Reagan dubbed the Soviets the "evil empire" ...:doh: now proven beyond doubt.

[mapuc]

Told from a TV docu: when Selensky was elected, he was not exactly that popular nevertheless, because they said he had a past as comedian in Russia, mocking at the cost of the Ukraine. Putin, who is antisemitic himself, saw this as a great opporutntiy to seize this media war asset: a Ukrainian Jew mocking the Ukraine surely shows how Nazi and how wicked the Ukraine is and how Jew-loving Russia is. How wonderful! Now, this man then "betraying him", turning out to become immensely popular, and a strong leader and icon of the resistence - that is a traitor whose treason Putin will never forget and never forgive, he takes it personal : he must pay with his life for his treason and all he loves must be killed, too! Thats the real reason, I would say, why Zelenski is No.1 on the assassination list - and his wife No. 2.

For the sake of completeness, there are Jews turning Nazi for some strange reasons, too, one had that in Europe during WW2, and in Israel there is a small Jewish Nazi organsiation, or at least there was one some years ago. Don't ask me about the Why, my imagination has limits. In a world where they say ther are over 60 gender and we can freely decide and switch between being male or female, nothing surprises me anymore.

You learn something new everyday in this forum.

I fully understand why US and UK is putting a pressure on Zelensky about his escape from Ukraine.
His death would mean a disaster for the psychological part of the war among the army and the civilians.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

The International Judo Federation has stripped black-belt Putin of his titles and jobs within the organization. His honorary president and Ambassadorship of the International Judo Federation as well as oligarch and close associate Arkady Rotenberg are ended. https://www.lawfareblog.com/sites/default/files/Ccza31zBwNfO8XdcZOPJw1sTKIlYQfRJ.jpg

[Jimbuna]

BMP-2 kills civillians

https://twitter.com/Buckarobanza/status/1501166335493087242

https://twitter.com/chaotisch_gut/status/1498489491589406722 (graphic)

Neither of those links work for me :hmmm:

[mapuc]

Neither of those links work for me :hmmm:

The first twitter link worked fine, the second didn't(Got a message saying something went wrong)

Forgot something-Watching the first video of the car being demolished by bullits made me think of the game Beamng.drive

Markus

[UglyMowgli]

Here the BMP2 killing the driver in car






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sNeiSvmx8Q

[kranz]

Sorry, someone must have deleted the videos.

@Up
Thanks.

[mapuc]

Sorry, someone must have deleted the videos.

@Up
Thanks.

The first video work fine-it's the second who's gone missing.


How many of you think that we within a month or so, will have NATO/UN boots on the ground in the western part of Ukraine ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Here the BMP2 killing the driver in car






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sNeiSvmx8Q

How brave of those military morons :nope:

Sorry, someone must have deleted the videos.

@Up
Thanks.

Not a problem, these things sometimes happen.

[Jimbuna]

The first video work fine-it's the second who's gone missing.


How many of you think that we within a month or so, will have NATO/UN boots on the ground in the western part of Ukraine ?

Markus

Not gonna happen unless a NATO member is attacked.

There are countless sources out there telling you that.

[Armistead]

Eh, Ukraine is being sacrificed to the Climate Change Gods, we won't put boots on the ground to save it unless NATO is attacked. We aren't gonna make the mass effort on energy and Putin will win this by just waiting until next winter when several NATO nations cave rather than face a starving cold winter in the dark. $300 per barrel, anyone? I think it's coming.

[Jimbuna]

I wouldn't say sacrificed. NATO do not want to escalate matters and run the risk of a nuclear exchange.

They have the best part of twelve months to prepare on the energy front.

This is a game of chicken or who will blink first.

[Jimbuna]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky gives an unprecedented address to UK MPs in the House of Commons.
Speaking by video link, he welcomes sanctions on Russia but repeats an appeal for a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
He references Winston Churchill, saying "we will fight in the forests, in the fields, on the shores, in the streets"
A short while earlier the UK announced it would phase out Russian oil imports by the end of 2022
US President Joe Biden has also confirmed a complete US ban on Russian oil, gas and coal imports in a move designed to deal a "powerful blow" to Putin.
The EU has also made moves towards reducing the continent’s reliance on Russian gas.
The UN says two million refugees have now fled Ukraine since Russia invaded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdUXFoLJYQ

[mapuc]

Not gonna happen unless a NATO member is attacked.

There are countless sources out there telling you that.

It was this

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2797740&postcount=1931

And other things I've heard and read that made me wonder if we will se foreign boots on the ground in Ukraine-Not in the eastern part-Which will be under Russian control-It will be the western part.

I think well I'm convince Ukraine will be divided into a West and East Ukraine.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

I can only repeat what I replied earlier.

[Armistead]

I wouldn't say sacrificed. NATO do not want to escalate matters and run the risk of a nuclear exchange.

They have the best part of twelve months to prepare on the energy front.

This is a game of chicken or who will blink first.

To beat Russia in the long term is sanctioning their oil, all of NATO and flooding
weapons into Ukraine. Course Putin might cut Europe off hoping he can outlast NATO until the next winter when I suspect much of NATO will give in for Russian oil, rather than freeze to death. Unless there's a mass war type effort to produce oil, nuclear and other energy sources now.

[Jimbuna]

To beat Russia in the long term is sanctioning their oil, all of NATO and flooding
weapons into Ukraine. Course Putin might cut Europe off hoping he can outlast NATO until the next winter when I suspect much of NATO will give in for Russian oil, rather than freeze to death. Unless there's a mass war type effort to produce oil, nuclear and other energy sources now.

For our part, I believe the UK strategy is going to try to open up further additional production in the North Sea and increase imports from the Gulf and the US.

[Onkel Neal]

Hello. No, everything works fine with us and social networks and the Internet. I'm tired of just reading fake news. I don't write here because I'm not a particularly desirable writer)))

I'm always interested in your point of view, especially reports on what life is like there, what you are hearing from your media, and how censored you are (Youtube, FB, Twitter, etc blocked). What is fake news, from your point of view?

[Jeff-Groves]

I've exchanged PM's with Susexx since I got scolded for talking to him openly here.
Even gave him my email address.
I'm open to talk with him but will not engage in this thread about things.

[UglyMowgli]

Poland give all it's Mig 29 to the USA in exchange of old F16.

https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/statement-of-the-minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-the-republic-of-poland-in-connection-with-the-statement-by-the-us-secretary-of-state-on-providing-airplanes-to-ukraine

[Ostfriese]

Poland give all it's Mig 29 to the USA in exchange of old F16.

https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/statement-of-the-minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-the-republic-of-poland-in-connection-with-the-statement-by-the-us-secretary-of-state-on-providing-airplanes-to-ukraine


A deal the Poles have wanted to do for years.

[mapuc]

Poland give all it's Mig 29 to the USA in exchange of old F16.

https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/statement-of-the-minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-the-republic-of-poland-in-connection-with-the-statement-by-the-us-secretary-of-state-on-providing-airplanes-to-ukraine

How many ? and how old are these MIG 29 ?

Markus

[Susexx]

I'm always interested in your point of view, especially reports on what life is like there, what you are hearing from your media, and how censored you are (Youtube, FB, Twitter, etc blocked). What is fake news, from your point of view?

Social networks work (they said that FB and Twitter are blocked, but they work for me, and it's easy to bypass the block), mail, youtube works as always. If about life in sanctions - well, unpleasant, but not fatal. Especially mysterious against the background of all the sanctions, for example: the ban on the sale of computer games, Steam and other platforms stopped selling to Russian players, this of course greatly influenced Putin))). And well, we can congratulate you that with stupid sanctions against ordinary citizens, a 100% loyal electorate was created. And today (well, you probably don't know), a decree was signed banning the export of all raw materials from the Russian Federation. There are fakes from all sides, that's why it's propaganda. I watch news from the USA, Great Britain, Germany and Ukraine, as well as Russian news, I watch both on TV and on Youtube. I'm trying to analyze and compare. I can say that there are a lot of outright lies, it is built simply on ignorance of certain aspects of life both in Ukraine and Russia. This is a problem because we all don't communicate much in person, we don't travel much to each other, journalists use this. I felt it even here.

[Ostfriese]

How many ? and how old are these MIG 29 ?

Markus


The sources differ, some say 32, others say 23. Most of them are cold war era aircraft, bought from Czechoslowakia in the 1990s and from Germany early in the 2000s (old East German aircraft), but they likely have been modernized to a certain extent.

[mapuc]

The sources differ, some say 32, others say 23. Most of them are cold war era aircraft, bought from Czechoslowakia in the 1990s and from Germany early in the 2000s (old East German aircraft), but they likely have been modernized to a certain extent.

Thank you.

I guess the Ukrainian fighter pilot doesn't need many hours training to fly these MIG 29 They are use to fly them-Some thing may be new to them-I guess.

It's also going to be interesting to see how Russia see this gestus from Poland

Markus

[Skybird]

Putin signs a vague decree, probbaly in retaliation of the UK's plan to stop imorting Russian oil by the end of the year and the US' decision to ban it as well. He forgot to give the specific details, however. :)

https://www.forexlive.com/news/putin-signs-a-vague-degree-on-limiting-russia-exports-20220308/

Collectors of worthless coins and notes however already released sighs of relief on Sunday when Putin signed another decree that allowed Russian companies to pay their debts to toehr foreigj companies in Russian Rubles.

The question remains - who will accept Rubles...? :D

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-05/putin-seeks-to-avert-defaults-with-ruble-payments-to-creditors?sref=3zYETA5s

[Catfish]

re Sussex i did not want to answer or comment to you here, but you are right that pro-Putin posts are not popular here (or anywhere else in the world outside since his aggressive invasion).

Contrary to state controlled russian media we have lots of witness reports what was going on in Donetsk and Luhansk territories before the invasion, it seems Putin had his own torture cellars to "convince" critics and normal citizens.

Putin has prepared for years for this war, including economic measures.
We will see how long he will fare, Ukraine has a share of a third of the worldwide wheat production. This year harvest is off anyway, and also Russia's economy is effectively dead now.

The Eu will stop russian gas imports altogether so no money anymore. Experts say that there will be no more russian 'economy' in june 2022, and there is the real threat of a famine. Anything like that being a theme in Russian media?

[Susexx]

re Sussex i did not want to answer or comment to you here, but you are right that pro-Putin posts are not popular here (or anywhere else in the world outside since his aggressive invasion).

Contrary to state controlled russian media we have lots of witness reports what was going on in Donetsk and Luhansk territories before the invasion, it seems Putin had his own torture cellars to "convince" critics and normal citizens.

Putin has prepared for years for this war, including economic measures.
We will see how long he will fare, Ukraine has a share of a third of the worldwide wheat production. This year harvest is off anyway, and also Russia's economy is effectively dead now.

The Eu will stop russian gas imports altogether so no money anymore. Experts say that there will be no more russian 'economy' in june 2022, and there is the real threat of a famine. Anything like that being a theme in Russian media?

Thanks for the answer, but I didn't see any pro-Putin propaganda in my post. Refugees from Donbass live in our cities, what more reliable witnesses can there be? However, I understand that it's hard to believe. The truth will still triumph over time, we will return to this later.
About the economy and hunger. This is a typical stereotype. Even in the 90s, with the complete collapse of the economy, not only was there no famine, but also many people had stocks. A lot of food is now imported from China, India, Central Asia, Latin America. Deliveries from Europe or the USA of products, well, this is at most 5 percent. About wheat. Ukraine and Russia are the largest suppliers on the market, it is not for nothing that China has removed the embargo on purchases from Russia. So there is definitely no such information about hunger in the media, and I have not seen this in your media, this is nonsense. Experts need to get their a.. off the couch and drive around our country at least once, maybe then the forecasts will be accurate. This is exactly what I wrote about - complete ignorance of the development of the country. If you don't listen to the "smart" experts yourself, what do you think? Can you imagine hunger in your country ?
Gas and oil are not the only materials and in general a lot of them are exported, almost half of the periodic table. I don't understand why everyone clung to gas, it's probably easier to explain to ordinary people.

[mapuc]

I came to think of my Mom's childhood and how her parents my grandma and grandpa used these rationing brands during WWII.

It came to me as I was thinking about what we have discussed here-Global famine.

So who knows maybe we once again has to use these rationing brands for a while.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

They start rationing meats in the USA?
I start poaching Deer and Turkey.
Have hundreds of both within a mile of me.
:smug:

[Gorpet]

Ah, right.

Yes Jim that was on 2/21 2022 now we are at 3/8 2022 . And facts are what they are.

[Armistead]

I came to think of my Mom's childhood and how her parents my grandma and grandpa used these rationing brands during WWII.

It came to me as I was thinking about what we have discussed here-Global famine.

So who knows maybe we once again has to use these rationing brands for a while.

Markus
I have several ration stamp booklets I found in my grandpa's house. Reading through some old 40's letters he got a letter about someone trying to get some used tires. Took a bit but then realized they couldn't find any new ones for sale.

[Armistead]

They start rationing meats in the USA?
I start poaching Deer and Turkey.
Have hundreds of both within a mile of me.
:smug:

Yea, I have a herd that comes in my yard every night and while they're sort of pets, they can quickly become meals.

[mapuc]

:har::har:

(I hope you can see what it is in the link I post below)

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1501254688238362626

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Yea, I have a herd that comes in my yard every night and while they're sort of pets, they can quickly become meals.

Same here. I don't hunt (Don't deny others that right nor want to stop them).
But if it comes down to it? Bambi meets the new Oven!
.50 cal Silenced Air Gun? No one hears the shot!

[mapuc]

Following was posted on FB yesterday by a Danish politician

Good news!
Fighter jets and no-fly zones may be on their way to Ukraine!
Politicians reject - but have heard from my think tank friends in Washington DC - Biden's foreign minister, Antony Blinken, is actively trying to meet Ukraine's request for a flight ban and more fighter jets by getting Poland to supply fighter jets to Ukraine.
Ukraine's military has largely relied on ground-to-air missiles until now. Ukrainian President Zelensky has this weekend begged and asked for help e.g. by sending fighter jets that Ukrainian pilots can already fly. Poland has them.
Heard that Biden and Blinken under great pressure from Congress, but about 74% of Americans - both Republicans and Democrats - said in opinion polls that the United States and NATO should introduce a no-fly zone in Ukraine. Still believe in it!
Understand well people are worried or scared. I'm worried myself. But I do not believe Putin wants a direct confrontation with the West as a whole. Then he is completely done.
Putin must be stopped now. Europe knows all about what happens to idiots who are not stopped in time.

Some of it is old news by now-Poland has send their old MIG 29 to Ukraine.

Markus

[Armistead]

Same here. I don't hunt (Don't deny others that right nor want to stop them).
But if it comes down to it? Bambi meets the new Oven!
.50 cal Silenced Air Gun? No one hears the shot!

I have a farm in the mountains and sometimes see a few, but my house in town backs up to a good bit of woods and we have about 20 deer that just roam around like pets to everyone in the hood. Can't shoot in city limits, but legal to use a bow or crossbow to hunt deer.

[August]

I came to think of my Mom's childhood and how her parents my grandma and grandpa used these rationing brands during WWII.

It came to me as I was thinking about what we have discussed here-Global famine.

So who knows maybe we once again has to use these rationing brands for a while.

Markus




Be a smart idea for everyone to plant a big vegetable garden this spring.

[Reece]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuYINyj3Udg

WOW!! we're first on the list!! :D

[Jeff-Groves]

WOW!! we're first on the list!! :D

Only because it's in alphabetical order.
:haha:

[August]

Saw this today. Don't know how accurate it is but it claims to be the key to the letter markings on Sovi,... I mean Russian vehicles.



The Letter “V” represents the Russian Marines

The Letter “Z” represents units in the Eastern Military District

The Letter “Z” in a square represents the Southern Military District (Crimea) The Letter “O” represents units from Belarus

The Letter “X” represents the forces of Ramzan Kadyrov, the Putin installed warlord of Russia’s Chechnya region.

The Letter “A” represents Russian Special Forces(SSO) like Spetznaz in its various operational units.

[Gorpet]

They start rationing meats in the USA?
I start poaching Deer and Turkey.
Have hundreds of both within a mile of me.
:smug:

Here in Florida, On our little spit of land with all the immigrant's Joe biden has flown in overnight and our northern neighbors on the east coast who are rushing into our state.The future for native Floridians is who will control .Seafood,chicken,beef,gas and alligator and booze in all its forms. It will be a goddamn massacre here in Sunny Florida.

[Jeff-Groves]

Well. Maybe a new line of work opens for Assassins down there.
:hmmm:

[Gorpet]

Well. Maybe a new line of work opens for Assassins down there.
:hmmm:

Ya know what, I think i'm going back to some family land that we own in a valley in southern West Virginia in Logan County.

[Jeff-Groves]

That's south of Chapmanville right?
Closer to Welsh?

[Gorpet]

Well. Maybe a new line of work opens for Assassins down there.
:hmmm:

Ya never know, Jeff joe biden has stated he has put millions of people back to work.

[Jeff-Groves]

Ya never know, Jeff joe biden has stated he has put millions of people back to work.
Give them time and several BILLIONS will be going to work as War Fighters!
(That's the politically correct term for Cannon Fodder)

[Gorpet]

That's south of Chapmanville right?
Closer to Welsh?

No, Sorry Jeff where the few acres on mountain side that i can retreat to is not up for public consumption.

[Jeff-Groves]

Let me just say I know Thunder road.

[Gorpet]

Give them time and several BILLIONS will be going to work as War Fighters!
(That's the politically correct term for Cannon Fodder)

Yes ,we are in agreement there.

[Gorpet]

Let me just say I know Thunder road.

And, i would say, some do and a lot don't. Maybe i just got it confused with this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk

[Jeff-Groves]

I've done several projects down in that General area.
:03:

[Reece]

Only because it's in alphabetical order.
:haha:
No!! We came before Albania, mind you it's probably in Russian alphabetical order!! :doh: Either way we were still first!!! :O:

[Gorpet]

I've done several projects down in that General area.
:03:

Well my friend, May you live long and prosper, i myself have accepted retirement.

[Skybird]

Ukrainian Ambassador Melnyk: "Tears ran down my face after conversation with Lindner".

07:01: Ukrainian Ambassador to Berlin Andrij Melnyk reported a conversation with German Finance Minister Christian Lindner (FDP) shortly after the outbreak of the Russian war of aggression. "I had the feeling that he was looking more at the balance sheets than at our suffering. But maybe he has to. As finance minister. For me, anyway, it was a knock-out. I then broke off the conversation," Melnyk told the current "Spiegel" magazine. "I don't cry often, but after the conversation with Christian Lindner, the tears just ran down my face."

The Ukrainian ambassador in Berlin repeatedly appears as an admonisher who does not shy away from clear criticism of politicians in Germany. He commented on the expressions of solidarity for Ukraine by Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania's Prime Minister Manuela Schwesig, for example, saying, "The hypocrisy of Manuela Schwesig sucks." Schwesig had previously long defended Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania's close contacts with Russia and advocated the commissioning of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. He said of Norbert Röttgen in the Spiegel interview, "Norbert Röttgen is one of those who always say the right things but never do anything."

In contrast, he praised Vice-Chancellor and Green Party leader Robert Habeck. After a visit organized by Melnyk to the so-called contact line in eastern Ukraine, Habeck had called for Germany to supply Ukraine with defensive weapons before the German elections. But after heavy criticism, including from his own ranks, he then rowed back. "He has said he deeply regrets not having stood his ground," Melnyk told Der Spiegel. "He had pity. Real pity. Not the consternation that the others show."

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (http://www.DeepL.com/Translator) (free version)

[Skybird]

The Chernobal nuclear powerplant is without external electricity since bombings have destroyed overland powerlines supplying the plant with power.


The shift working there is on duty since two weeks, the Russians do not allow shift crews to rotate.


Recipe mix for deasaster. Human error meets failing cooling.

[Skybird]

Are these subtle changes in tone a sign for possible hope? Over the past days, Kremlin speaker repeatedly had missed demands and phrases that before were invitably part of the propagandistc barrage of demands. But recnrtly, "Denazificaiton" and "de-militarization" have been dropped for the verbal bombardement. And a few hours ago Zelinski ndicated he may be willing to negotioate about neutrlaity of the Ukraine if the US and Turkey and neighnourign countries guaranmtee its natioanl soverignty and integrity and Russia must recognise these.

And now this:

Russia says it is not seeking a change of power in the former Soviet republic with its war against Ukraine. The goal is "neither the occupation of Ukraine, nor the destruction of its statehood, nor the overthrow of the current leadership" under President Volodomir Zelensky, says Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, according to the state agency Tass in Moscow.

A slow, subtle chnage of tones, ohrasings, and messages.

The world is sitting on a slide towards global desaster,a nd even a nuclear war is not off the table. And hope is no strategy, i say that myself often enough. Nevertheless: lets hope this means something.

But one should not forget the lessons from Syria where the Russians lied and lied and lied and lied and lied, over escape corridors to poltical goals. Lies, lies and more lies.


Meanwhile the German economy minister wanst to rule out extension for the runign time sof the remaining nculear reactors over here. He claims the legal obstacles were not to overcome, personnel could not be had, and experts tell him it cvnanot be done. But experts and runnign comnpanies insist that nothign nof that is true and that it abslutely could be done. With the lectricity form these, both idniustrial produciton as well ass electrioty-based heating could be maintained. But it is satan's most malicous child: nuclear energy, so it should not be: to please a single party'S ideological DNS that is more important than the common interest or the solving or cataclysic problems in the present.
Experts even say that the kjust switche dof powerpalnts could be reactivated again, that they are not yet emptied of their fuel, and the specialied experts and employees would be willing to come back to run them and work in them. But Habeck knows it better and says he knows it cannot be done. It cannot be what according to Green ideology should not be.



Experts also have severla times said now that the govenrment's claims an immediate stop of gas imports cannot be maintained, are wrong, and that Germany could shoulder this, althogh it would be an effort and wopuld be expensove. The greens do not want it for one reaosn, i stroingly suspect: if this is beign done, there no more manouvering space left for years to come for their beloved hobby of redesigning both energy and society according to their agenda.



They still prefer to burn Ukrainian blood in German ovens instead. Nice deja-vu, isn't it. Once again the Germans show that despite their claim they have not learned from their past - once again they directly assist the wrong side in a conflict like this. With every day, the import of gas and oil by Europe spills around one billion Euros into Putins war treasure chest. We could as well send him ammo and do some of the killing and bombing ourselves.



The UK wanst to wait with ending their imports until end of this year. Well. Not really a compliment either. The US has ended it, but I read nowhere so far when the ban starts. However, they import just 7-8% of their oil from Russia, so are not as depending.



I am totally enraged about this, since days. Its outraging. We all still pay Putin'S war day for day, around 14 billions since the bombing began. We directly financially support the war of Russia.

[mapuc]

It's not only Russia who's using these Thermobaric weapons

Just read in a twitter comment that the Ukrainian army is using a smaller version

They use this one

Note that the 72nd Mechanized Brigade of the Ukrainian Army has already put the Danish-delivered M72 EC launchers into use (EC means Enhanced Capacity, can penetrate up to 450 mm RHA), along with UK-supplied NLAW and Ukrainian RPV-16 Thermobaric.

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/rpv_16.htm

Markus

[Skybird]

It's not only Russia who's using these Thermobaric weapons

Just read in a twitter comment that the Ukrainian army is using a smaller version

They use this one

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/rpv_16.htm

Markus
Thats a shoulder-fired Panzerfaust-style weapon formign a blast and fire zone with around 5-6 meters in diameter.

Does not compare to TOS-1 artillery rocket launchers with 16-24 artillery missiles that can creat blast zones several hundred even over one thousand square meters in size. One thermobaric warhead form these is described on some websites to create a destruction zone with 300m diameter. ONE warhead alone.

[mapuc]

Thats a shoulder-fired Panzerfaust-style weapon formign a blast and fire zone with around 5-6 meters in diameter.

Does not compare to TOS-1 artillery rocket launchers with 16-24 artillery missiles that can creat blast zones several hundred even over one thousand square meters in size. One thermobaric warhead form these is described on some websites to create a destruction zone with 300m diameter. ONE warhead alone.

I did not compare the destruction between this shoulder-fired weapon with the Russian TOS-1 only that Ukraine use these too but only smaller.

And yes the TOS is way more destructive than this little rpv-16.

This lead to the next question what more of these Thermobaric weapon does the Ukrainian have.

I don't think the world see any different in size of the destruction only that the use of Thermobaric weapon is banned.

This is my opinion-I could be wrong.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Russia has agreed a new 12-hour ceasefire to allow civilians to flee six of the worst-affected areas in Ukraine, Ukraine's Deputy PM Iryna Vereshchuk says.

Civilians are again leaving the north-eastern city of Sumy, according to its mayor. Some 7,000 people were evacuated from the city on Tuesday.

A convoy of evacuees has left the southern city of Enerhodar, its mayor says, and buses are being sent to towns around the capital Kyiv.

But Ukraine says continued Russian shelling has again stopped residents leaving the besieged city of Mariupol as well as Izyum near Kharkiv.

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace says the UK is increasing its supply of weapons to Ukraine.

Ukraine says the former nuclear plant at Chernobyl has lost its power supply, following the site's seizure by Russian troops.

[Jimbuna]

The foreign ministers of Ukraine and Russia have agreed to meet for talks, which take place in Turkey tomorrow.

Economic sanctions on Russia continue to hit - and according to a leading credit ratings agency Russia will soon be unable to pay its debts and a default is "imminent"

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's wife, Olena, has issued an impassioned statement focusing on child deaths.

There are more calls on the UK to speed up its visa process for Ukrainian refugees. Ukraine's UK ambassador has said his own wife faced delays getting a visa when he got the role. Boris Johnson says almost 1,000 Ukrainian refugees have been granted visas and numbers "will rise very sharply"

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkws9Bs1V9I