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mapuc

11-15-22, 06:30 PM

I'm pretty sure-Not 100 % though. Who on several occasion have said that article 5 isn't a guarantee for an united Nato front.

Danish Ekstra Bladet writes:

Expert after missile strike in Poland: - It tests NATO unity

Nato risks being split after a missile crashed in Poland, killing two, says expert. Some countries will call for so-called "musketeer's oath" to begin, while others will try to dampen reactions

The world's eyes are on Nato after a missile hit the Polish town of Przewodow, bordering Ukraine, on Tuesday, killing two people.

Because if this is a deliberate attack by the Russians, it could, in the extreme, trigger Nato's Article 5, also known as the "musketeering" threat.

According to it, an attack on one NATO country is also an attack on all NATO countries.

But that does not seem likely at this stage, Rasmus Brun Pedersen, lecturer in International Politics at Aarhus University, tells Ekstra Bladet:

- There are various reports, and nothing is confirmed yet. If it is found to be an attack, article five may be activated, but in my reading it does not look like there is intent behind it, and thus article 5 will be out of play.

- The Russians have gone after the big cities today with rocket attacks, and if the target has been Lviv, which is 125 kilometres from the border town, then they are operating with something of a margin of error, or they are just completely incompetent, says Rasmus Brun Pedersen.

What is the step before Article 5?

- It's Article 4, where more diplomatic means are used. Then the NATO countries will go out and condemn it and say that they stand with the Polish people, but not declare war.

- It is a rather difficult situation. It is a question of finding an appropriate response. We do not want to escalate further and increase the military presence, but if NATO does not react sharply and stand together, it will look like NATO is divided.

Could divide Nato countries
On Tuesday evening, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen (S) and NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, among others, reacted and said that the situation in NATO is being closely monitored.

And according to Rasmus Brun Pedersen, it will probably stay at that level:

- What may be interesting is whether it will test the cohesion of NATO. The Baltic countries and Poland have announced that they see this as a deliberate act. It will require a sharp response. Other countries will probably see it as a mistake that can only be condemned. And then there could be tensions within NATO.

How will Denmark position itself in the dialogue with the other NATO countries?

- We will be more cautious in our rhetoric. We will condemn it and try to increase the pressure on the Russians. If NATO decides to escalate, we will go along, because we cannot stand to go against it, but we will not push for it ourselves.

- Denmark is lurking a little because we are also in a situation where we are forming a government

Danish military is under pressure
What did you think when you saw that?

- I thought. If it's deliberate, then it's a completely different escalation we're in. We'll be much wiser tomorrow, but right now there's nothing to suggest that.

What's the next step? Is Denmark going to war?

- The next step may be to increase the physical presence in the border area. From the American side, you can move forces from Germany to Poland, but right now Denmark can't actually send more. We are stretched to the limit and already have forces in Latvia, north of Riga.

If it is the Ukrainian military that has shot down a Russian missile, will they be blamed? After all, two people have lost their lives.

- No, you cannot blame them or criticise them officially if they have hit a Russian missile that has gone off course. It is only the Russians who have an interest in blaming others.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

If it was on purpose or a mistake there will be Nato member who will try to calm it down-Preventing a Article 5 response

Markus

August

11-16-22, 12:13 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz59GWeTIik

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 05:37 AM

Poland missile was fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian projectile, US officials say

Amissile that hit Poland on Tuesday evening was fired by Ukrainian forces in their attempts to shoot down an incoming Russian projectile, US officials have been quoted as saying.

Three US officials, who spoke to the Associated Press on the condition of anonymity, said preliminary assessments suggested the missile was fired by Ukrainian forces during the Russian bombardment on energy infrastructure across Ukraine.

Polish officials said earlier that a “Russian-made missile” landed in a grain store in Przewodow, Lublin, about 6 km from the border with Ukraine.

Ukraine continues to maintain stocks of former Soviet and Russian-made weaponry, including the S-300 air-defense missile system.

The explosion within the borders of Nato-member state Poland killed two people, sparking an investigation and emergency meeting of the Group of Seven (G7) members who were in Indonesia.

US president Joe Biden, who is in Bali attending the G20 summit, said it was “unlikely” that the missile was fired from Russia, but promised to support Warsaw’s investigation into the incident and also described the missile as “Russian-made”.

“There is preliminary information that contests that,” Mr Biden told reporters when asked if Russia fired the missile. “It is unlikely in the lines of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia, but we’ll see.”

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russia of carrying out the attack on a Nato member, calling it a “significant escalation” of the conflict as dozens more missiles fired by Moscow caused destruction and power outages across Ukraine.

Soon after the attack, Russia’s ambassador to Warsaw was summoned for “immediate detailed explanations”.

Russia has denied the allegations against it and accused Polish media and officials of causing “a deliberate provocation aimed at escalating the situation”.

Russian state news agency Ria Novosti said the blast was caused by Ukrainian missiles that had hit Polish territory.

The incident comes as the US and other Nato members have warned Russia against striking member states of the alliance. Under Article 5 of the alliance’s treaty, the Nato members are committed to collective defence in event of a strike on any one member.

The incident is an attempt to provoke a direct clash between Russia and Nato, the head of the permanent mission of Russia to the United Nations said on Wednesday.

“There is an attempt to provoke a direct military clash between Nato and Russia, with all the consequences for the world,” Dmitry Polyansky said on his Telegram channel.

Mr Biden, who called Russia’s attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure on Tuesday “barbaric”, convened an emergency roundtable meeting of several leaders who were gathered in Bali for the G20.

Leaders from Nato members Germany, Canada, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, France and Britain attended, as well as non-Nato member Japan and representatives from the European Union.

Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan, the president of Turkey – a Nato member and ally of Moscow – said he respects the declaration made by Russia on the missile attack.

Polish president Andrzej Duda was more cautious in his approach, saying: “We do not have any conclusive evidence at the moment as to who launched this missile ... it was most likely a Russian-made missile, but this is all still under investigation at the moment.”

Mr Duda said that it was very likely that Poland would request consultations under Article 4 of the Nato military alliance following the blast.

“Our ambassador will be attending the meeting of the North Atlantic Council tomorrow at 10am at Nato headquarters ... it is highly likely that the ambassador will request the activation of Article 4, or allied consultations,” he said.

Poland said it is on alert following the missile attack, increasing the “readiness” of some military units and aerial surveillance.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/poland-missile-was-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-at-incoming-russian-projectile-us-officials-say/ar-AA14a8dm?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=87d37cf5e8874450b287e4ae7beb940a

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 05:43 AM

Putin breaks silence on Poland missile crash and blames Warsaw for 'deliberate escalation'

Russia's Ministry of Defense has claimed that reports of two Russian missiles landing in a village in Poland and killing two people are a "deliberate provocation". The Ministry bafflingly added: "No strikes were made against targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border by Russian weapons", despite multiple recorded instances of Russian air strikes hitting Lviv, a Ukrainian city about 62 miles south of the village of Przewodów and only 50 miles from the Ukrainian border, just hours earlier today.

The statement concluded: "The fragments published in hot pursuit by the Polish media from the scene in the village of Przewoduv have nothing to do with Russian weapons".

Poland's Armed Forces are on "high alert" following the explosion, while a senior US intelligence official told AP that the strike did indeed come from Russia. Warsaw is understood to be considering whether they should invoke Article 4 of the NATO treaty.

Follow our Ukraine Live blog for more updates on the invasion.

As Poland is part of NATO, the killing of two people with explosions on Polish soil could prove a serious escalation of the conflict.

Mateusz Morawiecki, Poland's prime minister, urgently convened the country's council of ministers for national security and defence, the government spokesperson, Piotr Müller, said - without immediately specifying the reason for the emergency meeting.

Czech's Defence Minister also said she considered it "confirmed" that Russia had fired a missile into Poland, adding that they did not yet know why this had happened.

Responding to the missile strike, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said: "Today, Russian missiles hit Poland. This is a very significant escalation and we must act. How many times has Ukraine said that the terrorist state will not be limited to our country? It is only a matter of time before Russian terror goes further. Terror is not limited to our national borders.

"I want to say now to all our Polish brothers and sisters: Ukraine will always support you! Terror will not break free people! Victory is possible when there is no fear! You and I don't have it. Let's do everything to stop her!"

The Baltic States have also confirmed their support for Poland as the world reels from news of the strikes. Estonia's Foreign Affairs Ministry said they were "ready to defend every inch of NATO territory," adding the explosions in Poland were "most concerning".

The Latvian Deputy PM, Artis Pabriks, decried Russia's "criminal" regime, while Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda said Vilnius is "keeping close contact" with Warsaw.

The UK Foreign Office told Express.co.uk it was urgently seeking clarity on the incident.

France is reportedly carrying out a "removal of doubt" after the explosions in Poland, alongside other NATO allies.

Meanwhile, CNN reported that US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is expected to speak with his Polish counterpart later today, quoting a European military official and a US official.

Joe Biden has also asked Congress to approve more than $37billion (£31.7billion) in emergency aid to Ukraine. The additional funding, on top of the aid and equipment the US has already provided throughout the invasion, could provide the nation's military with further reinforcements as Russia's defensive lines begin to be established ahead of the winter.

The US President's funding request, which comes as Congress begins to sit following the midterm elections, also includes $9.25billion in Covid funds to prepare for a potential surge of cases in America in the coming colder months.

An attack on a NATO member such as Poland could lead to the country invoking Article 5, in which an attack on one member is considered to be an attack on all.

This is unlikely to be triggered in this instance.

Possibly more likely is Article 4, which calls for Allies to consult together when "in the opinion of any one of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened".

Professor of Strategic Studies at the University of St Andrews, Phillips P. O'Brien, said: "The consultation will probably result in more support for Ukraine, particularly air and anti-air power. Will give Poland some real influence."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-breaks-silence-on-poland-missile-crash-and-blames-warsaw-for-deliberate-escalation/ar-AA149krD?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=aa4fb458f7384eccbe4b82260f078e2c

Reece

11-16-22, 07:00 AM

Putin breaks silence on Poland missile crash and blames Warsaw for 'deliberate escalation'
Putin just loves to stir the pot!! :doh:

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 07:30 AM

The Polish president has said there is no sign that the missile that hit Polish territory late on Tuesday was part of an intentional attack.

President Duda says it's "very likely" that a missile explosion was caused by Ukrainian air defences.

The Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg, who is holding a press conference, also says the incident in Poland was "likely" caused by the activity of Ukraine's air defence systems.

Two people were killed after a missile landed in eastern Poland near the Ukrainian border following a wave of Russian strikes across Ukraine.

Earlier, PM Rishi Sunak said the UK and its allies were trying to establish the facts about the blast.

US President Joe Biden has said it was "unlikely" that the missile was fired from Russia.

The American reaction earned rare praise from Russia - with a Kremlin spokesman describing it as "restrained and professional"

mapuc

11-16-22, 07:35 AM

^ A big stone fell from my heart when reading your comment.

Markus

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 07:38 AM

Poland says missile deaths an unfortunate incident

Polish President Andrzej Duda has said there are no signs of an intentional attack after a missile strike killed two people on a farm near the western border with Ukraine.

Earlier, US President Joe Biden said it was "unlikely" the missile had been fired from Russia.

The two workers were killed as Ukraine came under fire from one of the biggest barrages of missile strikes of the war.

The Kremlin had insisted it had nothing to do with their deaths.

Poland said initially that the missile that had come down at Przewodow, 6km (4 miles) from the border, was Russian-made.

Accusing Western states of a hysterical reaction, Russian spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Warsaw should have immediately made clear the debris had come from Ukraine's S-300 air defences.

As Polish investigators searched the site of the strike, Nato ambassadors met in Brussels to assess how to react to Russia's war spilling over into a member state.

Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters there was no indication that the incident was a result of a deliberate attack or that Moscow was preparing offensive actions against the defensive alliance.

"Let me be clear, this is not Ukraine's fault," said the secretary general. "Russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues its illegal war against Ukraine."

More than 90 Russian missiles were fired at Ukraine on Tuesday, according to Kyiv. Although the Ukrainian military said 77 were shot down, some of the missiles hit Lviv, not far from the country's western border with Poland.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said most of the rockets fired by Russian forces had been aimed at the country's energy infrastructure.

Poland's military was placed on high alert in the aftermath of the explosion.

On Wednesday, President Duda told a press conference that although a Russian-made S-300 missile was most likely to blame, there was no evidence it had been fired by the Russian side. Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki added that invoking Nato's Article 4, which calls for consultations in the face of a security threat, might not be necessary.

In a statement, Western leaders at the Bali summit condemned Russia's "barbaric missile attacks" on Ukraine's cities and civilian infrastructure and offered their full support to neighbouring Poland.

Among those attending were President Biden, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, French President Emmanuel Macron and EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said earlier that any claim that Ukraine was responsible for Polish deaths was a Russian "conspiracy theory" and that anyone amplifying the message was spreading "Russian propaganda".

The BBC's Paul Adams said Ukraine's air defences had been working hard to bring down Russian missiles and it was possible that one of the missiles fired was knocked off course.

A police image from the Polish grain farm where the rocket landed showed a large crater and a farm trailer lying on its side, suggesting missile damage. Another image showed a fragment of a missile.

BBC reporter Dan Johnson said there was a small primary school beside a police cordon in the village, which is in an agricultural area of south-eastern Poland.

Despite lending support to Ukraine since Russia's invasion, Nato has been careful not to become too heavily involved in the conflict in order to prevent an escalation.

Lithuania's President Gitanas Nauseda called on Wednesday for Nato air space to be defended and said he would actively support deploying air defences on the Polish border with Ukraine, as well as the rest of Nato's eastern flank.

A German spokesman said Berlin would offer support to Poland's air defences, but all Nato allies were agreed they wanted to avoid further escalation

Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said he had spoken to Polish President Duda and the military alliance was "monitoring the situation".

United Nations Secretary General António Guterres also said he was "very concerned" by the Poland explosion and called for a thorough investigation.

"It is absolutely essential to avoid escalating the war in Ukraine," said his spokesman, Farhan Haq.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63640344

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 07:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzcmLxjjmY

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 07:42 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkocKT2VclE

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 08:10 AM

Czech Parliament recognized regime in Russian Federation as terrorist

The Parliament of the Czech Republic adopted a resolution in which it recognized the current Russian regime as terrorist.

This was reported by the Czech publication Novinky. cz, Censor.NET informs.

The lower house of the parliament called the current Russian regime terrorist. In particular, the deputies condemned the attacks on the civilian population of Ukraine and the country's key energy infrastructure. Also, the Parliament of the Czech Republic does not recognize the results of the so-called referendums on the accession to Russia of four occupied regions in the east of Ukraine.

129 out of 159 deputies present voted for the resolution. All 14 representatives of the "Freedom and Direct Democracy" movement, as well as some deputies from other factions, were against it.

"The Russian Federation absolutely does not respect people's basic rights, attacks key infrastructure, civilian objects, and tries to intimidate Ukrainian citizens and undermine the sovereignty of the state... This corresponds to terrorist methods," said Barbora Urbanova, a member of STAN. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3380944

Erdogan insists on dialogue with Putin: otherwise "consequences will be limitless"

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned the world against isolating Russia, the occupier country, and reminded that "from the first day of the conflict, we declared that there are no winners in war, and there are no losers in peace."

He said this at a press conference on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Indonesia, Censor.NET reports with reference to Anadolu.

"What will be the consequences of isolating the Russian Federation?" the journalist asked Erdogan.

"The consequences will be limitless," Erdogan replied and assured that Turkey "makes every effort for peace, justice, and welfare in Ukraine."

He warned the world against the occupation of the Russian Federation and reminded that "from the first day of the conflict, we declared that there are no winners in war, and there are no losers in peace."

Erdogan also noted that he respects the Russian Federation's reaction to the fall of the missile on the territory of Poland.

"It is important for us that Russia has declared that it has nothing to do with this," the Turkish president said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3380955

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 08:24 AM

Yesterday, Russians attacked Ukraine with 96 missiles, 75 of which were shot down by air defense. INFOGRAPHICS

According to detailed information, the Russian Federation massively attacked Ukraine with 96 missiles and attack drones.

This was reported by the Command of the Air Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET reports.

On November 15, 2022, the invaders attacked Ukraine with 96 air and sea-based cruise missiles (Kh-101, Kh-555, Caliber), Kh-59 guided air missiles, Shahed-136/131, Orion attack drones ", "Orlan-10" ', the message says.

It is noted that the air defense forces shot down 75 cruise missiles (Kh-101, Kh-555, Kalibr), two guided air missiles Kh-59, 10 "Shahed-136/131", one unmanned aerial vehicle "Orion" and one "Orlan-10". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3380957

Lithuania calls for strengthening air defense on border of Poland and Ukraine and on entire eastern flank of NATO

NATO countries need to strengthen air defense on the Ukrainian-Polish border, as well as on the entire eastern flank of NATO.

This was stated by the President of Lithuania Gitanas Nauseda, Censor.NET reports with reference to DELFI.

"Lithuania will take an active part in the discussion, talking primarily about the deployment of air defense systems both on the border of Poland and Ukraine, and looking into the future with regard to the entire eastern flank of NATO," the leader said.

The Lithuanian president emphasized that his country is in complete solidarity with Poland. At the same time, he added that he spoke with Polish President Andrzej Duda. Nauseda announced Poland's intention to initiate consultations on Article 4 of NATO.

"We are ready to help in all possible ways, if necessary. The President of Poland gave me information about what happened last night, about the negotiations with the leaders of other countries. And he said that today Poland will apply for the activation of Article 4 of NATO," Nauseda added.

As reported, on November 15, during a massive missile attack on Ukraine, 2 missiles fell in Poland, killing 2 people. It became known that US intelligence confirmed the strike by Russian missiles on Poland. In turn, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation called the information about the fall of Russian missiles in Poland "a deliberate provocation for the purpose of escalation." The United States, Estonia, and Lithuania have declared their readiness to defend every inch of NATO territory. Latvia, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine also joined their statements.

On the same day, at an extraordinary meeting on the evening of November 15, the Polish government decided to increase the army's combat readiness. NATO Secretary General Jens noted that NATO is monitoring the situation in Poland. In addition, on November 16, Stoltenberg will gather the ambassadors of the alliance member countries for an emergency meeting to discuss the events in Poland.

Later it became known that the President of Poland Andrzej Duda discussed the explosions in Poland with Stoltenberg and Biden and is convening the National Security Council.

It was also reported that due to the fall of missiles on the territory of Poland, the President of the European Council, Charles Michel, will initiate a coordination meeting with the leaders of the member states of the European Union, who are currently participating in the G20 summit in Bali.

On the night of November 16, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland emphasized that a Russian-made missile fell on the territory of Poland. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3380965

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 08:38 AM

Sunak about missile in Poland: This would not have happened if it were not for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

Prime Minister of Great Britain Rishi Sunak said that there would not have been any missile attacks on Poland if it were not for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the EP.

According to him, "none of this would have happened if it were not for Russia's invasion of Ukraine" and "this is the cruel and relentless reality of Putin's war."

"As long as it continues, it poses a threat to our security and the security of our allies. And as long as it continues, it will continue to devastate the world economy," Sunak said.

He added that there is "not a single person in the world" who would not feel the impact of Putin's war, and that world food markets have been seriously disrupted by his attempts to cut off supplies of Ukrainian grain.

"Putin's contempt for human life will be felt throughout the world for many years to come," he said.

Asked whether the strikes in Poland showed how quickly war can escalate, he added that it could lead to an escalation of the conflict: "Poland is a loyal ally of the United Kingdom and I would like to personally assure that we stand firmly with by her and her people at this time."

Speaking about whether Britain could be drawn into a war with Russia, he said it was important to "establish the facts". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3380971

Missile attack on Poland would not have happened if Russian Federation had not waged aggressive war against Ukraine, - Scholz

The circumstances of the missile attack on Polish territory should be thoroughly investigated, but it is already clear that this would not have happened if the Russian Federation had not waged an aggressive war against Ukraine.

Federal Chancellor Olaf Scholz reported this on Twitter, Censor.NET reports.

"The terrible missile strike in Poland must be thoroughly investigated. It is good that NATO members are gathering to do it quickly," he said.

According to Scholz, at this point, any premature conclusions are "out of the question."

"One thing is clear: none of this would have happened without Russia's aggressive war against Ukraine," he concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3380976

Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland on missile incident: This is consequence of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

The Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland, Pawel Jablonski, called the incident with rockets in the Polish border village a consequence of Russia’s attack on Ukraine and urged not to rush to conclusions about whose rocket it was.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the EP.

"For the first time since the beginning of the war, we faced the consequences of Russia's attack on Ukraine. We assumed that this could happen, and yesterday it happened," the deputy head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs noted.

Commenting on media reports that a Ukrainian air defense missile could have fallen on the territory of Poland, Yablonsky urged not to rush to any conclusions.

"I would like to ask everyone to be a little patient. There are various assumptions. What appears in the media is not always confirmed in the end. Maybe today, maybe later, when the time comes, we will officially release the information...It is necessary to be very careful with attempts at disinformation because, since the beginning of the aggression against Ukraine, the Russians have been very actively working in this direction," he explained.

When asked why the Polish military could not intercept the missile, the minister noted that no air defense and anti-missile defense systems provide 100% protection and it is impossible to guarantee "close the sky" over the entire territory of the country, so the priorities are strategic objects.

The deputy head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs urged not to believe the narrative that NATO would avoid intervention even in the event of a deliberate attack on Poland, calling it an attempt by Russia to disinformation and change public sentiments regarding support for Ukraine.

Yablonsky was also asked whether Warsaw would allow the expulsion of Russian Ambassador Sergey Andreyev, who was summoned to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on November 15 in connection with the incident. He replied that it could potentially happen, but there must be good reasons for such a decision.

"In diplomacy, sometimes you have to maintain contacts not only with people you like, but also with representatives of unfriendly countries," he said, adding that Poland is trying to maintain contacts with Russia. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3380983

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 08:43 AM

NATO will not close sky over Ukraine after incident with missile in Poland, - spokesman of government of Germany

Germany and NATO partners are not considering the possibility of introducing a no-fly zone over Ukraine after the fall of the missile in Poland.

This was reported by the spokesman of the German government, Censor.NET reports with reference to The Guardian.

According to him, this will create a threat of direct confrontation between Russia and NATO.

"Together with all our allies, we agreed that we want to avoid further escalation of this war in Ukraine," he said.

Polish President Andrzej Duda said there were "no signs" that the missile that fell in Poland on Tuesday was a "deliberate strike" on the country. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381027

Germany updated list of aid to Ukraine: it handed over shells for MARS II MLRS, tractors and machine guns

The German government has updated the list of military aid given to Ukraine. It included, in particular, shells for MARS II MLRS, M1070 Oshkosh heavy tractors and MG3 machine guns for armored recovery vehicles.

The full list of aid provided during the week is published on the website of the German government, Censor.NET informs.

In addition, Germany additionally transferred to Ukraine:

three M1070 Oshkosh tank tractors;
17 border cars;
spare parts for the M2 large-caliber machine gun;
24 MG3 for armored repair and evacuation vehicles;
116 mobile heating systems;
10 anti-drone sensors and silencers;
20 frequency band extensions for drone protection devices;
one loader. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381038

mapuc

11-16-22, 09:13 AM

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 09:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCA2h2cqWqQ

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 09:50 AM

Hypothesis about fall of Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile on Poland does not change essence, Russia is responsible, - Italian Prime Minister Meloni

The head of the Italian government, Giorgia Meloni, said that Russia is responsible for the fact that on November 15, a missile fell on the territory of Poland.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Ukrinform.

"This morning, against the background of the news from Poland, we asked for information, met and consulted with our allies. The hypothesis that a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile fell on Poland does not change the fact, since, in our opinion, the responsibility for what happened is fully borne Russia," she said.

She also added that Italy, along with its allies, condemned Moscow's missile attacks.

Polish President Andrzej Duda said there were "no signs" that the missile that fell in Poland on Tuesday was a "deliberate strike" on the country. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381050

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 10:09 AM

Incident with missile will not harm relations between Ukraine and NATO, - Ambassador of Estonia to Alliance Luik

Even if the missile that struck Poland on Tuesday afternoon was fired by Ukraine, in any case the real culprit of the incident is Russia, which is waging a war of aggression, and therefore this incident will not harm relations between Ukraine and NATO.

This was stated by the Ambassador of Estonia to the Alliance Yuriy Luik, Censor.NET reports with reference to European Pravda.

"We still don't know exactly where it was launched from. But even if it is an accidental missile related to Ukraine's struggle against the Russian occupiers and against the flurry of missiles launched yesterday by the Russian side, it is clear that it was launched due to an accident or a technical error , and this will in no way harm relations between NATO countries and Ukraine," Luik said.

"As it was said, the provision of assistance to Ukraine will be continued in full, and, of course, the more we send to Ukraine high-quality Western air defense equipment, the more effective Ukraine will be in its actions to destroy Russian missiles," the ambassador added after the meeting of the North Atlantic Council, on to whom the incident was discussed.

According to Luik, the investigation is still ongoing, and it is too early to make final decisions. "It is clear that this is an accidental incident and not a deliberate attack on NATO territory," he said.

Also, according to Luik, it is known for sure that this is a Russian-made missile, but from where exactly it was launched remains to be found out.

"The final certainty will come when the results of the investigation are received," the ambassador said. scale or even more. So in that sense, the conclusions that were reached at this meeting were very correct and relevant."

"It is also clear that whoever owned this missile, the culprit is Russia with its full-scale aggression against Ukraine," added Luik. regardless of who it belongs to."

According to the ambassador, all NATO countries are convinced that this was an accidental incident and there is no risk that it will be followed by a larger-scale attack, therefore it was not considered necessary to invoke the 4th article of the North Atlantic Treaty, which provides for consultations with other members of the Alliance.

"Of course, that doesn't mean that there won't be further consultations throughout today and tomorrow. I also believe that a conclusion will be reached fairly quickly as to where and by whom this missile was fired from. I don't think this investigation will take long", - added Luyk.

When asked whether NATO plans to protect a certain part of the airspace of Western Ukraine so that no Russian or anyone else's missile could land on the territory of NATO countries, Luyk replied that there are currently no such plans.

"Currently, there are no plans that are directly related to any NATO steps on the territory of Ukraine," Luik said.

Polish President Andrzej Duda said there were "no signs" that the missile that fell in Poland on Tuesday was a "deliberate strike" on the country. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381057

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 11:23 AM

Austin opened seventh session in Rammstein format: Russia’s brutality only strengthens our resolve

About 50 member countries of the Contact Group on the Defense of Ukraine are ready to continue their efforts to support the Ukrainian state against the backdrop of continued Russian brutal attacks on civilian cities.

This was stated by Pentagon chief Lloyd Austin during the opening of the seventh meeting in the Rammstein format, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"While Russia continues to target Ukrainian civilians, as well as energy infrastructure, nations of good will continue to support Ukraine. And Russia's brutality only strengthens their resolve," the Pentagon chief emphasized.

In this regard, Austin confirmed the US position, expressed earlier by President Biden, that the United States will support Ukraine as long as it is needed.

He also noted that thanks to the efforts of many members of the Contact Group, who do not stop making their contributions, Ukrainian defenders are getting more and more important defense opportunities. In this context, he noted the use of NASAMS anti-aircraft systems by the Ukrainian forces, which "ensured 100 percent success in intercepting Russian missiles," including during yesterday's attack.

"Russia (on Tuesday. - Ed.) carried out a missile attack on Ukrainian cities and people, and yesterday we saw reports of a deadly explosion in Poland, not far from the border with Ukraine," Austin recalled.

He emphasized that the US will continue to work closely with Poland and other countries to gather more information. He also noted that consultations with NATO countries will continue in this context.

SOURCE: HTTPS://CENSOR.NET/EN/N3381054

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 11:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT8u4yVMxWA

Dargo

11-16-22, 11:58 AM

NATO: Missile most likely from Ukraine.

Gave me some thoughts when reading it in one of our newspaper.

Was it a mistake ?
Was it on purpose-Trying to drag Poland into the war ?

I say it was a mistake-The other would backfire for the Ukrainian and they know it.

MarkusThey fire most missiles from Belarus and Black Sea they all fly over Ukraine if anti-air systems does not destroy Russian missile but bump it into another course it will look like a missile from Ukraine, but it is still a Russian missile NATO is playing this down they do not want to escalate. Ukraine’s military has informed the U.S. and its allies that it tried to intercept a Russian missile near and during the timeframe of the missile strike in Poland on Nov. 15.

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 12:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp4cOAFIARI

Dargo

11-16-22, 12:20 PM

Sweden announced an increase in the amount of military aid to Ukraine by four at once, – VBC. According to the publication, the new Swedish government on Wednesday announced a new package of military aid to Ukraine worth three billion Swedish kroner (287 million US dollars) and a package of humanitarian aid worth another 720 million kroner (69 million dollars). According to reports, the Minister of Defense of Sweden, Pahl Junsson, said that the new package will include, in particular, anti-aircraft systems and ammunition for them from the warehouses of the Swedish army. https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1592921257309192193

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 12:55 PM

I received signals that Putin wants direct negotiations - Zelensky

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that he had received signals from Western partners regarding Russian President Vladimir Putin’s desire for direct negotiations with Ukraine.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Interfax-Ukraine.

"I received signals. That Putin wants direct negotiations. I received such signals. I proposed a public form, because Russia is waging a public war," the president told reporters.

He also confirmed a meeting with CIA Director Burns. "Yesterday, Burns sat in the bomb shelter. And then we talked with him. We discussed all the issues that are important to us. We know each other. He is on the side of Ukraine," Zelensky said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381105

USA, Netherlands and Czech Republic are working together to provide Ukraine with modern tanks, - Austin

The United States of America, the Netherlands and the Czech Republic are working together to provide Ukraine with modern tanks.

US Defense Minister Lloyd Austin said this during a meeting of the Advisory Group on the Security of Ukraine at the Ramstein Air Base, Censor.NET informs with reference to Espreso.

Austin also spoke about 7 countries that have either already handed over the promised equipment to Ukraine, or have promised to allocate it as well in the process of delivery.

"We understand the role of gathering this contact group, because it is very important for us to coordinate the support that Ukraine needs. We understand that 7 countries have either already handed over the promised equipment or promised to allocate it, and now it is in the process of being delivered. At that time, the USA, the Netherlands and the Czech Republic are working together to deliver modern tanks to the Ukrainians. Also, the next package of defense aid is being discussed in the US," the official said.

According to Austin, the world sees the success of the Armed Forces and should support Ukraine in the future.

"We are also implementing an industrial program on behalf of Ukraine, involving the work of the contact group. We foresee an increase in support for Ukraine and will continue to train the military, as well as provide additional defense equipment. With our support, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now able to defend their territory. We see what successes they are achieving, so we need to help and support that kind of courage," Austin said.

The Minister also added that the partners should do more than they can to meet the needs that are currently arising in Ukraine, in particular, to ensure the uninterrupted supply of electricity and heating.

We will remind you that on November 16, the seventh meeting will take place in the Rammstein format.

The sixth meeting of the heads of defense departments in the "Ramstein" format, which included about 50 countries, took place in October in Brussels.

According to the results of Ramstein-6, the US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley publicly identified the main priority of providing assistance in the creation of an integrated anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense system of the Ukrainian sky. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381065

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 01:13 PM

More than 400 Russian spies were expelled from Europe this year, - head of MI5 McCallum

In 2022, European countries expelled more than 400 Russian spies. It was a surprise for Putin.

This is reported by Reuters with reference to the report of the head of the British MI5 counterintelligence, Ken McCallum, Censor.NET informs.

According to the official, more than 600 Russian officials were expelled from Europe, 400 of them spies. He noted that this is the biggest strategic blow against the Russian special services in recent European history.

"This dealt the most significant strategic blow to Russian intelligence services in recent European history, and together with the coordinated waves of sanctions, the scale caught Vladimir Putin by surprise," he said.

In addition, McCallum noted that Great Britain has refused more than a hundred applications for Russian diplomatic visas for reasons of national security. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381106

mapuc

11-16-22, 01:21 PM

CNN: NATO reportedly tracked missile that landed in Poland.

“Intel with the radar tracks [of the missile] was provided to NATO and Poland,” a NATO military official told CNN.

From same user in the answer section

NATO aircraft have been conducting regular surveillance around Ukraine since Feb. 24. There is no information on who launched the missile that was tracked, nor where it was fired from.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1592733434182787073

Markus

Jimbuna

11-16-22, 01:30 PM

Germany allocates EUR 1 million to support energy sector of Ukraine - Embassy

The Federal Foreign Office of Germany allocates EUR 1 million to Ukraine to support the energy sector of Ukraine.

This is stated by Censor.NЕТ with reference to Twitter of of the German Embassy in Ukraine.

"In response to Russia's numerous attacks on the civilian energy infrastructure of Ukraine, the Federal Foreign Office of Germany is allocating 1 million euros as emergency aid, which will be contributed to the Energy Support Fund for Ukraine," - the statement reads.

Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381115

Czech Republic plans to conduct training for 4 000 Ukrainian military

At the meeting on Wednesday, the Czech government expressed its consent to the stay and training of 4 thousand Ukrainian soldiers next year.

As informs Censor.NЕТ, this is stated by "European truth" with reference to Ceske Noviny.

"The government has approved the training of Ukrainian military in the Czech Republic," Czech Defense Minister Jana Černohová said after the government meeting.

The exercises will be held in five shifts, each of which will involve up to 800 servicemen.

"They will take place until the end of 2023," the Minister added.

The first will take place this year.

The exercise is based on a bilateral agreement between the governments of the Czech Republic and Ukraine, but in the future it will be handed over to an EU support mission. EU defense ministers agreed on the need to prepare the training mission at an informal meeting in Prague in August. The mission was formally launched by the EU Council this week.

Subsequently, the Czech Republic is to allocate up to 55 people to the EU mission, who will operate in other EU countries.

This year the training of Ukrainian soldiers should cost 195 million crowns, next year - 780 million. The money will be allocated from the budget of the Ministry of Defense, after the training is transferred to the EU mission, it will be partially reimbursed from the EU financial instruments. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381113

Dargo

11-16-22, 02:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTbBpVxuAic

Catfish

11-16-22, 04:26 PM

From same user in the answer section
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1592733434182787073
Markus

CNN: NATO reportedly tracked missile that landed in Poland.

“Intel with the radar tracks [of the missile] was provided to NATO and Poland,” a NATO military official told CNN.
From same user in the answer section"

"NATO aircraft have been conducting regular surveillance around Ukraine since Feb. 24. There is no information on who launched the missile that was tracked, nor where it was fired from."
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...33434182787073
Markus

Several possibilities:

1. possibility of being a total screw-up by Ukraine accidentally sending missiles towards Poland

2. Possibility of Ukraine intentionally firing missiles at Poland and blaming Russia, trying to get NATO more involved.

3. Ukrainian anti-missile ordnance falling on polish ground following russian missiles, that were on the way to Poland, and followed by ukrainian intercepting rockets.
Then it would be a russian provocation, or a total russian screw-up.

4. those were indeed russian missiles and intentionally targeted at Poland.
To sow dissent in NATO, and trying to make NATO do something stupid.

Look at what happened in Bali, at which time.
"Lavrov went home from Bali and reported to his boss, who then responded immediately, so Western leaders could discuss it in person on Bali.

The Russians will never admit to it, of course, as well as NATO's also not interested in admitting to the truth, so they rather ask Ukraine for taking the blame for it, which they'll do. But they still got the message."

The missiles' trajectories have been obviously followed, so the west is aware of where they started from, when and by whom. Exactly.

My take is (as said before) that it was an intentional russian attack.
The western response of playing it down would be logical.
Do not follow Putin on his next try of stepping up escalation.
Ignore it.
Do not officially react to provocations and escalation, while exactly knowing what happened, maybe waiting for a time slot to return the favour. And make Russia know it.

Skybird

11-16-22, 04:28 PM

I am still undecided what version of the Poland-Missile incident I should believe. The very first american reaction came form a - media jargon - "high ranking intelligence officer" who said it were a Russian missile for sure. Later came the dementis from others and that it were an Ukrainian SAM.

The reason for NATO trying to hide a Russian missile hitting Poland, deliberatly or accidentally, may be to not let this escalate, not wanting to get drawn into something by activating article 4. So, a motive is given. However, a motive alone is not already an evidence.

I withhold a final opinion forming. Currently it is not possible to form an educated opinion.

Skybird

11-17-22, 03:43 AM

Images of the impact sites in Poland are circulating now. Has anyone, any credible source competently and independently commented on whether the visible craters and damages correspond to the warhead and fuel load of S300 missiles, and why not one but two missiles should have malfunctioned or strayed off simultaneously and impacted so close to each other? I don't want to trust NATO's official report alone. It was mentioned that one of the craters were 20m wide and 5m deep. Thats a bit much for a medium range SAM, imo, even if adding exploding remaining fuel (whats left of it after an already longer flight) to the exploding warhead'S effect. On the other hand, the reliability of these descriptions is not really confirmed either.

Skybird

11-17-22, 03:56 AM

Grrr, seems either me or some people in some media get that thing with two missiles wrong!? :06:

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 06:34 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCR-Phtgx0k

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 06:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G_dvXB1ejU

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 07:03 AM

AFU know that giving Russia break is mistake, they will not make it, - Pentagon

Ukrainians know that giving Russia time to rest and rearm is a mistake they will not allow.

This was stated by the head of the Pentagon, Lloyd Austin, Censor.NET informs.

"I don't think the Ukrainians will let them stand. I think the Ukrainians will continue to put pressure on them. And so that dynamic on the battlefield is going to change - you know it's going to keep changing.

Ukrainians know that allowing them to rest and rearm is a mistake. This is an operational error and I don't believe they would make such a mistake. You know, my goal is to make sure that Ukraine has the means to do everything necessary to ensure that they (the Russians. - Ed.) do not last," he emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381248

De-occupation of Crimea and Donbas will put end to war, - Zelensky

President Volodymyr Zelensky said that only the return of the territories occupied by Russia will allow the war to end.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Bloomberg.

During a conversation with Bloomberg News editor-in-chief John Micklethwaite, Zelensky stressed that a simple ceasefire will not be enough, Ukraine needs the return of the occupied territories, in particular Crimea and Donbas.

"Crimea is part of Ukraine. It's not just a state within a state, it's part of our country and part of our sovereignty. ... That's why the de-occupation of Crimea and Donbas will really put an end to the war," the President said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381241

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 07:10 AM

USA and Russian Federation agreed not to use nuclear weapons, - Erdogan

Turkish President Tayyip Recep Erdogan said that he is aware of the agreement between the Russian Federation and the United States not to use nuclear weapons.

This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to Reuters.

Erdogan told reporters about the existence of such agreements on the way back from the G20 summit in Indonesia.

According to him, the agreements between the Russian Federation and the USA were reached earlier this week in Ankara.

Erdogan also added that the two countries should meet frequently to prevent a new world war.

It is known that on November 14, CIA Director William Burns and the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation Serhiy Naryshkin held a meeting in Ankara. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381274

Skybird

11-17-22, 08:01 AM

NATO now says the missile crashing in Poland was an Ukrainian SAM where they forgot to activate the self-destruction system that would have allowed remote or autonomous destruction of the missile.

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 08:03 AM

Vladimir Putin reportedly has a back-up plan to escape to Africa: Here's what we know about the claims

Vladimir Putin was supposed to take part in the G20 Summit in Indonesia but had announced that he will not attend after all.

He used the time instead to meet on Friday with an ally from Africa, namely the leader of the Central African Republic, Faustin Arcange Touadéra, the Mirror reports.

According to a statement by the Russian government, the two presidents met to strengthen the bond between the two countries.

'The presidents expressed the shared intention to intensify bilateral political, trade and economic cooperation, including in the fuel and energy sector.’

'The presidents expressed the shared intention to intensify bilateral political, trade and economic cooperation, including in the fuel and energy sector.’

According to the same report, Touadéra’s grip on power has been secured by Vladimir Putin’s so-called ‘private army’ the ‘Wagner mercenary group’.

However, on the Telegram app, the ‘General SVR’ channel has fueled speculation about the real intentions of Putin’s meeting with Touadéra.

The channel is known for unverified claims about Vladimir Putin, but also predicted well in advance the announcement by the Russian President about the ‘disastrous’ mobilisation campaign of reservists.

This time, the ‘General SVR’ channel is claiming that Putin arranged a meeting with his Central African Republic counterpart to verify that he is still loyal to him.

Allegedly, Vladimir Putin has stashed away a big fortune nearly $15 billion in cash and gold in underground warehouses, which are protected by the ‘Wagner’ group, Express reports.

Additionally, the 'General SVR' channel claims that the likelihood of Putin's ousting has increased dramatically and that the Russian President is now considering his options.

‘Now Putin considers the possibility of evacuation as realistic, so it is important for him to understand that there are options and they are quite feasible.’

‘Now Putin considers the possibility of evacuation as realistic, so it is important for him to understand that there are options and they are quite feasible.’

Sources used:

-Mirror: ‘Vladimir Putin 'stashes £12.3billion in African state' in case he needs to flee Moscow’

-Express: ‘Vladimir Putin stashes £12.3bn fund in Africa as he plans grand escape from Russia’
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-reportedly-has-a-back-up-plan-to-escape-to-africa-here-s-what-we-know-about-the-claims/ar-AA14bGUr?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=e4cc8f3c3f01453d975ae1bff4bf41a0

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 08:15 AM

NATO row breaks out as Zelensky savaged for 'destructive lies' over Poland missile

NATO and Ukraine found themselves at odds at an urgent meeting on Wednesday, it has been revealed, as Volodymyr Zelensky said he had "no doubt" a missile that killed two people after landing in Poland near the Ukrainian border was not of Ukrainian origin. NATO, Warsaw and the US all said they believed the missile was "likely" fired by Ukraine in order to defend themselves against Russian missiles, with the alliance's secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg making clear that it was "not Ukraine's fault", as the firing of the missile was "the direct result" of Putin's invasion of the country.

But Mr Zelensky would not budge on the issue, insisting that a report he received from the incident left him certain that it was "not our missile or our missile strike".

His statements have reportedly irked at least one Kyiv-based diplomat from a NATO country, who told the Financial Times: "This is getting ridiculous. The Ukrainians are destroying [our] confidence in them. Nobody is blaming Ukraine and they are openly lying. This is more destructive than the missile."

NATO countries were called to an emergency meeting last night after a missile landed in the Polish village of Przewodów, near the Ukrainian border, during a mass air strike by Russia in which they unleashed over 100 missiles into Ukrainian cities, targeting civilian infrastructure.

The Kremlin denied responsibility for the missile, claiming that not only was the missile that struck Poland not theirs, their weapons had not targeted anywhere near the Polish border - despite multiple recorded instances of Russian rockets hitting Lviv, a Ukrainian city about 62 miles south of the village of Przewodów and only 50 miles from the Ukrainian border.

NATO, the US and Warsaw all declared that while initial reports suggested the missile was fired from Russia, they now believed the missile's origin was likely from Ukraine as a defensive measure against the Russian air strikes.

The Polish nationals who were killed by a stray missile during a Russian attack on Ukraine have been identified. The men were farm workers Bogdan Ciupek, age 60, and Bogusaw Wos, age 62.

Mr Stoltenberg said: "Our preliminary analysis suggests that the incident was likely caused by Ukrainian air defence missile fired to defend Ukrainian territory against Russian cruise missile attacks."

The NATO leader stated that the responsibility still lies with Russia for the missile hit. He said: "This is not Ukraine's fault. Russia bears responsibility for what happened in Poland yesterday because this is a direct result of the ongoing war, and the wave of attacks from Russia against Ukraine yesterday.

"Ukraine has the right to shoot down those missiles that are targeting Ukrainian cities and critical Ukrainian infrastructure."

Poland's president Andrzej Duda told a press conference today that they believed the missile was "most likely" a Russian-made S300 from the 1970s - but they had "no evidence it was launched by Russia".

This was backed by the White House, with US National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson saying: "We have seen nothing that contradicts President Duda's preliminary assessment that this explosion was most likely the result of a Ukrainian air defence missile that unfortunately landed in Poland".

However, Mr Zelensky continues to insist that the missile was Russia's, pointing to an "evening report to me personally, from the commander of the air force to commander-in-chief [of Ukraine's military] Zaluzhny", which he said confirms "that it was not our missile or our missile strike".

The president added: "It makes no sense for me not to trust them, I've gone through the war with them."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nato-row-breaks-out-as-zelensky-savaged-for-destructive-lies-over-poland-missile/ar-AA14bRZC?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=3220a8762ee34cba95916b9aea096f14

Skybird

11-17-22, 08:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCR-Phtgx0k
Puh... Watched ten minutes into it.

He is right in indicating that the recent military success of Ukraine do not nec nessarily indicate "victory", and I said that early in the war, too: what use is it if Ukraine throws Russians out, all of them - at the cost of a totally destroyed infrastructure, economy, supply grid, short: at the cost of beign destroyed in the process of the war? Russia now has turned towards systematically annihilating warmth- and energy- and water-supplying infrastructure. Something to be expected in every war, its a strategic objective that is hoped to improve own options on the tactical combat and strategic political level. And on this side, the ukraine currently indeed is loosing the war. Only thing that could save them form this special aspect is that the Russians run low on ammo.

But then Ritter voices some I would say controverisal views. That the reionfocrment of the Russians run according to plan. That they have the initiative. That they are concerned about saving civilian's lives. He perfectly parrots the Russian narrative, and leaves me wondering whether he knows or knows not that he does it.

Fact is that the Ukraine has high losses, too, but the US says for example (maybe two weeks ago) that it also has lost so far no HIMARS systems, different than what Russia claims.

Mind you, Ritter has a controversial, scandal-enriched and controversy-heavy biography. I share the egnerla atoittude he presnets at the ver ybeginning, that a Ukrianian victory in his words is a fanatsy oinly, in my tzinkling: very difficult to acchieve and if realised: coming at a maybe even suicidally high economic cost. But that is where my willingness to more agree than disagree with his views, ends.

But then, I spared the remaining 30 minutes of the video.

Catfish

11-17-22, 08:36 AM

NATO row breaks out as Zelensky savaged for 'destructive lies' over Poland missile

If i may quote myself:
[...]
4. those were indeed russian missiles and intentionally targeted at Poland.
To sow dissent in NATO, and trying to make NATO do something stupid.
[...]
The Russians will never admit to it, of course, as well as NATO's also not interested in admitting to the truth, so they rather ask Ukraine for taking the blame for it, which they'll do. But they still got the message."[/I]

Maybe i was wrong and Zelensky will not accept this lie just to let Russia weasel out, and give Nato the chance of downplaying and ignoring the russian missiles.

Again: The missiles' trajectories have been followed, so the west is aware of where they started from. If Nato does not want to give the evidence i can understand Zelensky quite well.

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 08:38 AM

Peskov: Public negotiations, as Zelensky wants, do not happen

Russia rejected the format of public negotiations proposed by the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky.

The position of the Kremlin was voiced by its spokesman Dmytro Peskov, Censor.NET reports with reference to the Russian mass media.

He stated that public negotiations are impossible.

"It's hard to imagine public negotiations at all - there are no public negotiations," said Peskov.

He once again accused Ukraine of unwillingness to sit down at the negotiating table.

"One thing is clear - the Ukrainian side does not want any negotiations. The special military operation continues, and its goals must be achieved," Putin's spokesman added.

To a clarifying question, whether winter will affect the plans of the occupiers, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation answered: "The special military operation continues, and its continuation does not depend on climatic and weather conditions."

It will be recalled that on November 16, Zelensky told journalists that he had received signals about Putin's desire to hold negotiations.

"I received signals that Putin wants direct negotiations. I received such signals. I proposed a public form, because Russia is waging a public war," the president said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381295

After retreat of troops from right bank of Kherson region, Russian Federation may transfer them to Donbas - General Staff

The Russian invaders can increase their efforts in the Donbas, as well as in the Zaporizhzhia region.

This was stated by the Deputy Chief of the Main Operational Department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksiy Hromov, Censor.NET informs.

"After retreating from the right-bank part of the Kherson region, the enemy restores its troops and combat capability and transfers combat-capable units to other directions. For the enemy, first of all, it is extremely important to establish control over the Donetsk region. He is trying to realize his dreams even now.

First of all, this is the Donetsk region, we do not rule out that the enemy can increase its efforts in the Zaporizhzhia direction, in the Luhansk direction. If we continue with his ambitious plans, then he may also try to carry out offensive actions from the territory of Belarus, through the territory of Chernihiv and Sumy regions.

But it was already in our history, we fought back with dignity. Currently, the enemy is really shifting its troops in some directions, but we are also taking the necessary measures," he emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381284

Israel bought "strategic equipment" worth millions of dollars for Ukraine, - Haaret

Israel, under US pressure, agreed to finance the purchase of "strategic equipment" for Ukraine for millions of dollars.

This is written by the local publication Haaret, Censor.NET reports with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

Citing Western diplomatic sources, the publication reported that high-ranking Israeli politicians and security forces agreed to expand aid to Ukraine, rather than limit it to humanitarian aid, following a request from the administration of US President Joe Biden.

It is noted that the equipment will be transferred through a NATO country that supplies weapons to Ukraine. It is reported that the financing of "strategic equipment" was one-time. It will be up to the next government to decide whether to continue it, as the States are demanding.

In addition, Haaretz writes that in recent months Jerusalem has agreed to allow NATO countries, such as Britain, to transfer weapons systems to Ukraine that include opto-electronic equipment and fire control systems produced by Israeli companies.

In addition, according to American sources, Israel secretly helps Ukraine in the field of intelligence.

Israel's funding of this "strategic equipment" was one-time, and the decision on whether to continue it, as demanded by the US, will be left to the discretion of the next government, writes Haaretz. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381303

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 09:41 AM

Court in Netherlands confirmed that Boeing MH17 was shot down from territory controlled by Russian Federation

The District Court in The Hague established that the passenger plane MH17 was shot down from the territory of the "LDPR", which was subordinate to Russia.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Suspilne.

Thus, the court accepted the prosecution's version that it was the Russian Federation that controlled the so-called "DNR". In addition, the judges determined on the basis of confirmed evidence that the plane MH17 was shot down by the Buk air defense system from the temporarily occupied Pervomaisk.

As reported, the passenger Boeing-777 of "Malaysia Airlines", which was performing flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, crashed in the temporarily occupied part of Donetsk region on July 17, 2014. There were 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board the liner, all of them died.

The international investigative team concluded that the plane was shot down from the Buk anti-aircraft missile complex, which belongs to the 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, stationed in Kursk.

On June 19, 2019, the investigative team named four suspects believed to be involved in the transportation and combat use of the Buk air defense system. This is a former FSB officer, former "Minister of Defense" of the so-called "DPR" Igor Girkin (Strelkov), General, and at the time of the downing of the plane, a colonel of the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, head of the "GRU" of the DPR Serhiy Dubinsky, lieutenant colonel Oleg Pulatov (all citizens Russian Federation), citizen of Ukraine Leonid Kharchenko, who fought on the side of the so-called "DPR". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381311

Armed Forces control territory near temporarily occupied Crimean peninsula, - General Staff of Armed Forces

Soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have reached the coast of the Dnipro River and have the opportunity to control the territory close to the peninsula.

As Censor.NET reports, this was stated by the Deputy Chief of the Main Operational Department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Brigadier General Oleksiy Hromov, during a briefing of representatives of the Security and Defense Forces of Ukraine at the Military Media Center on November 17, 2022.

"Our servicemen really went to the coast of the Dnipro River, which allows us to control the territory close to the temporarily occupied Crimean peninsula. Artillery soldiers and general servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doing everything possible to hit the enemy at the maximum range of our weapons," he noted. .

According to Gromov, the enemy, after retreating from the right-bank part of the Kherson region, is rebuilding its troops and transferring combat-ready units to other directions. It is extremely important for the enemy to establish control over the Donetsk region.

"We do not rule out that the enemy can increase his efforts in the Zaporizhzhia and Luhansk directions as well. If we take his ambitious plans further, he may try to carry out offensive actions from the territory of Belarus through the Chernihiv and Sumy regions. But this is all in his plans, and already was in our history. We fought back with dignity. At the moment, the enemy is really shifting its troops in some directions, but we are also taking appropriate measures," Hromov emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381312

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 10:55 AM

Kharchenko, Dubinsky and Girkin are guilty of shooting down MH17 plane, Pulatov - acquitted - decision of court in Hague

In the Netherlands, the court in the case of the downing of flight MH17 announced that ex-FSB officer, former "Minister of Defense of the DPR" Igor Girkin (Strelkov), General, and at the time of the downing of the plane, Colonel of the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, head of the "GRU of the DPR" Serhiy Dubinsky and a citizen Leonid Kharchenko of Ukraine, who fought on the side of the "DPR", is guilty of shooting down the plane and killing 298 people.

As Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform, another Russian, lieutenant colonel of the GRU Oleg Pulatov, has been acquitted. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381337

em2nought

11-17-22, 01:19 PM

Vladimir Putin reportedly has a back-up plan to escape to Africa: Here's what we know about the claims

Now Putin considers the possibility of evacuation as realistic, so it is important for him to understand that there are options and they are quite feasible.’

Much better than going all Steven King "Dead Zone". :up:

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 01:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OEbC60v6z4

Jimbuna

11-17-22, 02:03 PM

For Peskov, Prigozhin and others, surrender is only chance to spend rest of their lives in safety, - Danilov

Oleksiy Danilov, Secretary of the National Security Council, "the only chance to spend the rest of his life in safety" for Kremlin officials is a Ukrainian prison.

He announced this on Facebook, Censor.NET reports.

"Russia should not try to destroy the Ukrainian energy system. I will explain why. For Peskov, Prigozhin and other Kyrienikos - figures of the Kremlin regime - the only chance to spend the rest of their lives in safety is to take advantage of the opportunities of the Ukrainian penitentiary system, which will gladly accept them and has been eagerly waiting for a long time. In this regard, they should take care in advance that there is warmth and light in their cells. Therefore, I recommend that you carefully study the instructions and recommendations of the "I want to live" project, - stressed the secretary of the NSDC. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381356

Convicted Russian terrorists in MH17 case must pay €16 million in compensation, - Hague court rules

Ex-FSB officer, former "Minister of Defense of the DPR" Ihor Girkin (Strelkov), General of the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, head of the "GRU of the DPR" Serhii Dubinsky and citizen of Ukraine Leonid Kharchenko found guilty in the case of the shooting down of flight MH17 must pay 16 million euros in compensation.

As Censor.NET informs, such a decision was made by a court in the Netherlands, Ukrinform reports.

"In general, we are talking about more than 16 million euros, which should be paid by Dubinsky, Girkin and Kharchenko," - said the presiding judge Hendrik Steinhaus.

As previously reported by Censor.NET, Girkin, Dubinsky and Kharchenko were found guilty of shooting down flight MH17 and killing 298 people, they were sentenced to life imprisonment. GRU lieutenant colonel Oleg Pulatov was acquitted.

Passenger Boeing-777 of "Malaysia Airlines", flying flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, crashed in the temporarily occupied part of Donetsk region on July 17, 2014. There were 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board the liner, all of them died. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381352

OP: Court decision in MH17 case is important for trial of all Russian war criminals

The decision of the District Court of The Hague in the case of the downing of flight MH17 is an important legal precedent for further proceedings against all Russian war criminals, including President Putin.

According to Censor.NЕТ, Advisor to the Head of the President's Office Mykhailo Podolyak wrote about this in Twіtter.

"Today's verdict of the Hague court in the MH17 case is important not only for the families of the victims of Russian terror. It is also an important legal precedent for the further trial of all Russian war criminals, including the current president of the Russian Federation," Podoliak wrote.

He stressed that evil must be punished with concrete sentences.

As reported, the passenger Boeing-777 of Malaysia Airlines, flying flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, crashed in the temporarily occupied part of Donetsk region on July 17, 2014. There were 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board, all of them perished.

The International Investigation Team concluded that the plane was shot down by a Buk anti-aircraft missile system belonging to the 53rd Air Defense Brigade of the Russian Armed Forces stationed in Kursk.

On June 19, 2019, the investigation team named four suspects who are believed to be involved in the transportation and combat use of the Buk missile system. These are former FSB officer, former "minister of defence" of the so-called "DNR" Ihor Hirkin (Strelkov), general, and at the time of the downing of the plane, colonel of the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, head of the GRU of the DNR Serhii Dubynskyi, lieutenant colonel of the GRU Oleh Pulatov (all - citizens of the Russian Federation), citizen of Ukraine Leonid Kharchenko, who fought on the side of the so-called "DNR". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381394

Jimbuna

11-18-22, 05:04 AM

Swedish prosecutor confirms remains of explosives found at site of Nord Stream sabotage

The Swedish prosecutor who is leading the investigation into the damage to the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines has confirmed that the incident was sabotage, and said that traces of explosives have been found.

In a statement, prosecutor Mats Ljungqvist said:

During the crime scene investigations that were carried out on site in the Baltic Sea, extensive seizures were made, and the area has been carefully documented. Analysis that has now been carried out shows traces of explosives on several of the foreign objects that were found. Advanced analysis work continues in order to be able to draw firmer conclusions about the incident.

The statement goes on to say that “the preliminary investigation is very complex and comprehensive” and that the work continues. The statement does not name any suspects. It also praises the cooperation of authorities in Sweden with those in other countries. It ends by saying that the prosecutor cannot provide further information at this time, and will not be providing any further access to the media.

Jimbuna

11-18-22, 05:07 AM

President Volodymyr Zelensky has said 10 million Ukrainians are without power after a fresh wave of missile strikes by Russia.

At least seven people were killed in the strikes, with the number expected to rise.

"We are doing everything to normalise the supply," Mr Zelensky said in his nightly address.

Ukraine's air defence managed to shoot down six cruise missiles and five drones, he added.

On Thursday, Russia pounded Ukraine with a fresh missile barrage, hitting more energy installations and civilian buildings less than two days after one of its heaviest bombardments yet.

This has been a recent Russian tactic following setbacks on the battlefield, and its impact is starting to be felt more acutely.

People in Kyiv woke to a blanket of snow on Thursday morning, and the emergency power shutdowns have meant many do not have heating in their homes.

Those suffering power outages are mainly in the capital, Kyiv, the western city of Vinnytsia, the port city of Odesa in the south-west and Sumy in the north-east.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63659370

Jimbuna

11-18-22, 05:12 AM

Peace is impossible until Russian troops withdraw from Ukraine - Borrell

EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell said that peace in Ukraine is impossible until Russia withdraws its troops from the country.

He stated this in an іnterview with Reuters, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to LigaBusinessInform.

Borrell noted that the possibility of peace depends on Russia, because "it is the aggressor who must leave if it wants to achieve peace".

"I fear that Russia is not yet ready to withdraw its troops (from Ukraine), but until it withdraws, peace remains impossible," the EU High Representative said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381423

Skybird

11-18-22, 12:05 PM

Der Spiegel:
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14 German self-propelled howitzers were delivered to Ukraine, and now unexpected problems are surfacing: According to SPIEGEL information, there is a glaring shortage of spare parts. How it could come to this.

According to SPIEGEL information, planning errors in the ordering of spare parts are increasingly jeopardizing the operational readiness of German self-propelled howitzers in Ukraine. After the delivery of a total of 14 self-propelled howitzers 2000, the German Ministry of Defense had failed to order extensive spare parts packages in time to regularly maintain the weapon systems and thus keep them operational.

In the meantime, a large part of the artillery systems supplied by Germany is in need of repair due to intensive deployment on the front lines in eastern Ukraine. According to Bundeswehr sources, the Ukrainians are currently firing around 300 shells a day, which is causing the weapon systems to wear down considerably.

Six German howitzers were recently brought to Lithuania for technical overhaul. However, since the necessary spare parts for the howitzers were not available either from the industry or from the Bundeswehr, the technicians had to cannibalize one of the howitzers and leave it in Lithuania for the time being.

The lack of spare parts does not come as a surprise. In late summer, the Bundeswehr's procurement office had already unsuccessfully urged the ministry to order extensive spare parts packages for the howitzers and the Mars II multiple rocket launchers, since the special material had long delivery times. So far, however, no corresponding instruction has come from the so-called Special Staff Ukraine.

The lack of spare parts is now also paralyzing the so-called repair hub that Germany plans to set up in Slovakia by mid-December to repair weapons delivered there.
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Well. :doh: In Germany, carnival lasts 365 days a year now.

Skybird

11-18-22, 12:29 PM

It has begun. As I predicted it would, sooner or later. I am only surprised that it is the US side starting it. I would have expected Europeans, and here namely Western Europeans, to start it.

Maybe becaue in the end the US may fiogure iots better to have Russian and Putin still in place - as a counterbalancing weight against China. If so, I would see that reasoning as quite deranged and not reflecting realities realistically.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-peace-talks-milley-united-states-war-negotiations-rcna57827

Eastern Europeans balk as some U.S. officials nudge Ukraine towards talks with Russia.Unfortunately, Europeans, no matter whcih ones, cna do little against the US policy on Ukraine, because European nations and their deliveries to Ukraine in total all are dwarved by US contributions. If Washington one day stops it, then its game over for the Ukraine. Though that will cost them in prestige in European nations especially Poland and the Baltic. In the end, we in Europe depend on military assistance by the US. Even here, over the Ukraine issue. Who is depending on the other, is not really an equal to the other. Saying differently is just kind words and good manners, but has no substance.

Skybird

11-18-22, 02:29 PM

German paper Die Welt claims it got access to a media file showing footage from ESA satellite "Sentinel 1", showing two ships at exactly the site where only two days later three of the four explosions dispruting the two Nordstream pipelines would take place.

The full article is hidden behind the paywall. The visible intro indicates that the pixelation is substantial, giving me the impression that there is not enough detail to identify the two ships. But timing and position are suspicious.

paywalled:

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/plus242190761/Pipeline-Anschlag-Hat-ein-Satellit-die-Wahrheit-ueber-Nord-Stream-entdeckt.html

Catfish

11-18-22, 02:56 PM

^ Some months ago I read there had been two russian ships near the position at the time of completing NordStream II, to finish the work on the pipeline.

Jimbuna

11-18-22, 03:12 PM

European Parliament will consider recognizing Russia as state sponsor of terrorism on November 23

The European Parliament decided on the date of voting for the resolution, in which Russia will be recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism.

As reported by Censor.NET with reference to the European Parliament, this was reported by the deputy spokesperson of the European Parliament, Delphine Collard.

"On Wednesday, members of the European Parliament will vote for a resolution in which Russia is named a state sponsor of terrorism, taking into account the increase in attacks by the Russian Federation on the civilian population and civilian targets in Ukraine. The members will also call for Russia to be held accountable in an international tribunal," she said.

In addition, the representative of the European Parliament announced a vote on the decision to approve macro-financial assistance to Ukraine for 2023 in the amount of 18 billion euros, announced by the European Commission.

A preliminary vote on the matter is expected to take place on Tuesday, November 22, and after consultations with the European Commission and the Council of the European Union, a final decision in the European Parliament will be taken on November 23-24. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381575

Lavrov was not allowed to attend OSCE meeting in Poland, - Jozviak

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was banned from entering Poland, where the session of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly will be held.

This was reported by the Brussels correspondent of Radio Liberty Rikard Jozvyak, Censor.NET informs.

"Warsaw has decided to ban the entry of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov to Poland for the OSCE ministerial meeting in Lodz on December 1-2. Russia responded with an angry letter to the OSCE," the message reads. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381599

Jimbuna

11-18-22, 03:16 PM

If Russia does not leave Ukraine, negotiations are needed, but US relies on Zelensky - White House

The White House said that "if Russia does not leave, negotiations will be the right way to end the war," but the United States will rely on President Volodymyr Zelensky.

This was stated by the representative of the White House National Security Council John Kirby, quoted by Newsy correspondent Sasha Ingber, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to LigaBusinessInform.

According to him, if Russia does not leave Ukraine, negotiations are "the right way to end the war".

At the same time, he said that Washington will rely on Zelensky to "determine whether he is ready to negotiate".

Kirby said that everyone in the administration of US President Joe Biden agrees that the war can end today if Russian dictator Vladimir Putin "does the right thing".

"Clearly he has shown no inclination to withdraw his troops, so we also all agree that a negotiated diplomatic settlement is the next best thing," he concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381634

There will be more aid to Ukraine, - White House

President Joe Biden’s administration is working to increase aid funding for Ukraine.

This was noted in the statement of White House National Security Council Strategic Communications Coordinator John Kirby, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

"There will be more help," Kirby said at the briefing.

He added that work is underway with Congress on additional funding in the future. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381628

G7 to announce Russian oil price ceiling on November 23 - Bloomberg

The Group of Seven (G7) countries intend to announce the level at which they will set the maximum price for Russian crude oil next Wednesday, November 23.

This is stated by Bloomberg, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to Ukrinform.

According to the interlocutors, it is expected that the administration of US President Joe Biden will privately announce the proposed price before the meeting of European Union ambassadors scheduled for November 23.

The interlocutors add that if the EU ambassadors support the American proposal, it is planned to announce it officially that evening.

The price cap on Russian oil, which is supported by the G7 and the EU, would prohibit companies from providing shipping and services such as insurance, brokerage and financial assistance needed to transport Russian oil anywhere in the world unless the oil is sold below the agreed price. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381629

Jimbuna

11-18-22, 03:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuLkoJAtV6g

Skybird

11-18-22, 03:30 PM

^ Some months ago I read there had been two russian ships near the position at the time of completing NordStream II, to finish the work on the pipeline.
The footage they talk of here is from two days before the explosions occured. The material was leaked to the editors.

Skybird

11-18-22, 03:36 PM

If Russia does not leave Ukraine, negotiations are needed, but US relies on Zelensky - White House

The White House said that "if Russia does not leave, negotiations will be the right way to end the war," but the United States will rely on President Volodymyr Zelensky.

This was stated by the representative of the White House National Security Council John Kirby, quoted by Newsy correspondent Sasha Ingber, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to LigaBusinessInform.

According to him, if Russia does not leave Ukraine, negotiations are "the right way to end the war".

At the same time, he said that Washington will rely on Zelensky to "determine whether he is ready to negotiate".

Kirby said that everyone in the administration of US President Joe Biden agrees that the war can end today if Russian dictator Vladimir Putin "does the right thing".

"Clearly he has shown no inclination to withdraw his troops, so we also all agree that a negotiated diplomatic settlement is the next best thing," he concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381634

There will be more aid to Ukraine, - White House

President Joe Biden’s administration is working to increase aid funding for Ukraine.

This was noted in the statement of White House National Security Council Strategic Communications Coordinator John Kirby, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

"There will be more help," Kirby said at the briefing.

He added that work is underway with Congress on additional funding in the future. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381628

They apply candies and the whip. And not to Putin. Zelensky must relaise that his time is running out. Not immediately. But they have started the clock.

And no, Putin will not leave the Ukraine. Why the hell should he do that...?

The split signals the Us sends now, are n ot really any split at all. They are quite clear. Maybe Biden adapts to the new reality in Congress - but I dont know to what degree he needs ocngress for ever new military aid packages to Ukraine. I leave answering that to others. Maybe he also has already started to prepare for elections 2024. The war costs money, and continuing it is not popular for many Trumpists amongst the Republicans.

Rockstar

11-18-22, 07:41 PM

I dont know to what degree he needs ocngress for ever new military aid packages to Ukraine. I leave answering that to others.

First I’d suggest stop with thought that one party is 100% for and the other 100% against supporting Ukraine. That’s the headlines talking. The thing to keep in mind too is there was a Gallup poll conducted in 2009 that found a higher percentage of military people who are active duty or veteran were of the Republican Party persuasion. It may be their answers to the below poll might reflect percentages in certain categories of how tired they are of war or hearing about war and just want to have a life of their own.

As for U.S, foreign policy it’s a divided power, with the major share falling usually to the president. Though congress does hold the ‘purse strings’ and has the power to regulate or even stop the funding.

Below the most recent poll I can find is from the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft www.quincyinst.org regarding support for or against Ukraine. Contrary to popular belief it’s not as black and white or bipolar as we might think it is. Also notice too no where in the line of questioning is Trump ever mentioned, that’s the thing with polls, first people are surveyed THEN politicians start running their mouth.

https://www.filesforprogress.org/datasets/2022/9/dfp_quincy_institute_ukraine_toplines.pdf

Samples from above linked poll

In your view, do you think the Biden Administration and Congress need to do more diplomatically to help end the war in Ukraine — that is, to engage in diplomatic talks and negotiations — or do you think they have done enough?

Democrat Need to do more 50%. Has done enough 39%
Independent Need to do more 50%. Has done enough 35%
Republican Need to do more 47%. Has done enough 38%

Would you support or oppose the United States pursuing diplomatic negotiations as soon as possible to end the war in Ukraine,even if it means Ukraine making some compromises with Russia?

Democrat Strongly support 13%. Somewhat support 49%
Independent Strongly support 16%. Somewhat support 40%
Republican Strongly support 12%. Somewhat support 42%

Unbeknownst to many us here in the U.S. we seem to have common ground and think a lot alike . But sometimes I think that’s exactly what the headlines and politicians don’t want us to realize.

Rockstar

11-18-22, 07:59 PM

Reports coming out of Ukraine the German Panzerhaubitze 2000s are no longer operational due to the lack of spare parts to fix them. Let me guess “ya, but what about Trump?”

Skybird

11-18-22, 08:22 PM

Reports coming out of Ukraine the German Panzerhaubitze 2000s are no longer operational due to the lack of spare parts to fix them. Let me guess “ya, but what about Trump?”
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2838479&postcount=8309

Jimbuna

11-19-22, 05:42 AM

Ukraine war will be over by end of spring, country's deputy defence minister predicts

Ukrainian forces could be back in Crimea by the end of December and the entire war with Russia will be over by the spring, a Ukrainian deputy defence minister has predicted.

Volodymyr Havrylov, a retired major general, said his country would never stop fighting until victory and had even factored in the potential of a Russian nuclear strike.

The minister, in an interview with Sky News, said he believed the probability of an atomic attack by Russia to be low, but said: "Yeah, it would be drama.

"For everybody it will be just - God knows what scenario - but it [a tactical nuclear strike] is not [a] threat which will stop us from... continuing our war."

In terms of the prospect for peace talks with the Kremlin, Mr Havrylov said they would only happen once Russian troops are ready to leave every inch of Ukraine, including the Crimean peninsula that President Vladimir Putin seized in 2014 and swathes of the east of Ukraine that have been held by Russian-backed separatists for the past eight years.

"There is a decision inside the society in Ukraine that we are going up to the end," he said in London during a trip to the UK this week.

"It doesn't matter what kind of scenario is on the table.

"People paid a lot of blood, a lot of efforts to what we have already achieved.

"And everybody knows that any delay or frozen conflict is only the continuation of this war against the existence of Ukraine as a nation."

Ukraine's troops, backed by Western weapons, achieved a hugely significant win earlier this month with the recapture of the southern city of Kherson, forcing Russian troops to retreat back to the eastern side of the Dnipro River.

It had been the only regional capital taken by Russia.

Asked if the success made other goals feel more likely, such as retaking Crimea, Mr Havrylov said: "It's only a matter of time and, of course, we would like to make it sooner than later."

He said this could be helped by what is known as a "black swan" event - something unpredictable - happening in Russia, such as the sudden collapse of the Putin regime.

"I think Russia can face a black swan in their country, inside Russia and it can contribute to the success of us with Crimea," the minister said, speaking in fluent English.

There was "also a military option as well with some kind of combination of forces, resources and something else".

"We can step in Crimea, for example, by the end of December. Possible, possible. Not excluded that it be so," he added.

Mr Havrylov believed Ukrainian troops would continue to fight through the winter, exploiting their momentum, despite the harsh conditions, with freezing temperatures and exhaustion.

He said that they did not have a choice because any pause in operations would give the Russian side a greater chance to replenish their stocks and bring in reinforcements.

"They're interested in just making a pause in this war to regroup, to bring more people from the motherland... that's the dream.

"That's why... we have no right to stop. We have to advance," he said.

As to when the war will end, Mr Havrylov said as a military it was important to be prepared for a long fight if Russia is able to reinforce.

"Of course, in this case, the war will take some time. But my feeling is that by the end of the spring, this war will be over."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukraine-war-will-be-over-by-end-of-spring-country-s-deputy-defence-minister-predicts/ar-AA14i83m?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=2b6cf201fdae48569b20f8b0c35ad108

Jimbuna

11-19-22, 05:47 AM

Russia ‘borrows $13.6bn in largest ever debt issuance in a single day’ to continue faltering war

Russia has borrowed its largest amount of cash ever in a single day to raise funds for the Ukraine war, British defence chiefs have said.

On Wednesday, Russia’s finance ministry borrowed $13.6billion (£11.4billion) as it conducted its biggest ever debt issuance in a single day in order to continue Vladimir Putin’s faltering invasion.

In its latest intelligence report, the British Ministry of Defence (MoD) warned that the money raised is a “key mechanism to sustain defence spending”.

While the amount raised suggests confidence in the current fiscal climate, the ministry is likely “anticipating an increasingly uncertain fiscal environment over the next year”, the MoD said.

The ministry added: “On November 16 2022, Russia conducted its largest ever debt issuance in a single day, raising RUB 820 (USD $13.6billion).

“This is important for Russia as debt issuance is a key mechanism to sustain defence spending, which has increased significantly since the invasion of Ukraine.

“Russia’s declared ‘national defence’ spending for 2023 is planned at approximately RUB 5 trillion (USD $84billion), a more than 40 per cent increase on the preliminary 2023 budget announced in 2021.”

They added: “Debt issuance is expensive during periods of uncertainty.

“The size of this auction highly likely indicates the Russian Ministry of Finance perceives current conditions as relatively favourable but is anticipating an increasingly uncertain fiscal environment over the next year.”

It comes as Russia claimed to have “successfully” carried out flight tests of its giant Satan-2 hypersonic missile.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/russia-borrows-13-6bn-in-largest-ever-debt-issuance-in-a-single-day-to-continue-faltering-war/ar-AA14ihiF?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=076851814ce2492b8978ab63a8af4a5b

Jimbuna

11-19-22, 06:06 AM

Leave if you can to save energy - Ukraine power boss

By Catherine Byaruhanga in Kyiv
BBC News

The head of Ukraine's biggest private energy firm says people should consider leaving the country to reduce demand on the country's power network.

"If they can find an alternative place to stay for another three or four months, it will be very helpful to the system," DTEK chief executive Maxim Timchenko told the BBC.

Russian attacks have damaged almost half of Ukraine's energy system.

Millions of people are without power as temperatures drop for winter.

Blackouts - both scheduled and unscheduled - have become common in many parts of Ukraine, as Russia aims regular waves of missile attacks at parts of the energy infrastructure.

Earlier this week, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov suggested that the strikes were a "consequence" of Ukraine's refusal to negotiate with Russia.

Several Western leaders have said that targeting civilian infrastructure is a war crime.

Mr Timchenko, whose company supplies more than a quarter of Ukraine's power, says the system becomes less reliable with each Russian attack, and reducing electricity consumption is the key to keeping it running.

The government has urged people to limit their use of domestic appliances such as ovens and washing machines.

But the damaged energy system is still unable to produce enough electricity to meet current needs, so any way of reducing usage - including leaving the country - should be seen as helping Ukraine to win the war against Russia, Mr Timchenko explained.

"If you consume less, then hospitals with injured soldiers will have guaranteed power supply. This is how it can be explained that by consuming less or leaving, they also contribute to other people."

Russia's attacks on infrastructure increased after a series of setbacks on the battlefield, including a major Ukrainian counter-offensive in the Kharkiv region and territorial gains in the south of the country, which eventually led to the recapture of the city of Kherson.

With temperatures in some parts of Ukraine already below freezing, there is concern that millions of people will be left without power and heating throughout the winter.

Until now, blackouts have generally been limited to a few hours, but more Russian attacks could lead to longer periods without power. Fixing the damaged infrastructure is also becoming more difficult.

"Unfortunately we are have run out of equipment and spare parts... That's why we appeal to our partners, government officials, companies and equipment producers to help us with the immediate supply of available equipment," Mr Timchenko said.

Russia's historical ties with Ukraine - including in developing its energy system - are also proving a problem.

"They were colleagues, now they are enemies," Mr Timchenko said. "They bring all this knowledge to Russian military forces, educate them, make very concrete targets, know big parts of our grid or power stations."

Despite the difficulties though, Ukrainian engineers continue to work in some of the most dangerous parts of the country, risking their lives to reconnect towns and cities to the grid.

Early on Saturday, the Ukrainian defence ministry announced that the railway station in Kherson was the first building in the city to have electricity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63687037

Skybird

11-19-22, 08:26 AM

Die Zeit writes:
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Russia is apparently preparing for the next major mobilization of soldiers

- although the previous partial mobilization officially ended on October 28. At that time, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu had announced that the required 300,000 soldiers had been drafted and that no further measures were planned. In the future, only volunteers and contract soldiers would be used for the "special military operation," as Russia calls its war in the neighboring country. According to the report, the millions of reservists in Russia should be spared a call-up.

It does not look like that will happen now, as the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) notes in its daily situation report. In St. Petersburg, one citizen received a draft notice despite the official conclusion of mobilization - with the military commissar telling him to report for duty in January. At the same time, ultranationalist military bloggers and propagandists have begun talking about a general mobilization in December or January, but without providing concrete evidence.

The independent Russian media outlet Polygon reported that the partial mobilization may never have ended in reality. For example, state institutions had sent their employees to "mobilization courses" only a few days after the announced end.

Another indication of the ongoing partial mobilization was provided by a Russian court of all places. Pravo magazine, which specializes in legal issues, reported on a trial in which a mobilized soldier was accused of beating a superior. The military court cited as an aggravating circumstance that the act occurred during the period of mobilization - although the incident occurred about two weeks after the officially announced end of mobilization.

President Vladimir Putin left a back door open on the confiscation by never signing a decree that would have legally ended the mobilization. This was not necessary, Putin explained. In ISW's estimation, the unofficial mobilization efforts and potential preparations for a next wave will do Russia more harm than good. ISW suspects that October 28 was not a randomly chosen date for the end of the partial mobilization.

After all, November 1 marked the beginning of the second of the six-month conscription cycles, which requires enormous bureaucratic effort and trainers. Putin had thus tried to avoid placing a double burden on the authorities. Now that apparently mobilized people will have to be trained after all, in addition to regular conscripts, the two groups will have to share the already very limited training capacity. According to ISW, this means that Russia will have even more poorly trained soldiers in the future. Another wave of mobilization will only worsen the situation and reduce Russia's overall combat capability, he said.

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Eichhörnchen

11-19-22, 08:39 AM

European Parliament will consider recognizing Russia as state sponsor of terrorism on November 23 /QUOTE]

You see - it won't happen. Does anyone have a veto on this (i.e. Hungary)?

Commander Wallace

11-19-22, 09:04 AM

European Parliament will consider recognizing Russia as state sponsor of terrorism on November 23 /QUOTE]

You see - it won't happen. Does anyone have a veto on this (i.e. Hungary)?

That's kinda like looking at a dog and recognizing it as a dog. Russia is what it is with Putrid at the helm. Russia's conduct and behavior since Putrid has been in charge speaks for itself. All of Europe, especially the U.K recognizes and understands that.

Eichhörnchen

11-19-22, 11:00 AM

^ Mine was a quote from Jim's post (no.8313) which I mucked up somehow but still - it won't happen - not if Hungary can veto it. Can they?

Commander Wallace

11-19-22, 11:07 AM

^ Mine was a quote from Jim's post (no.8313) which I mucked up somehow but still - it won't happen - not if Hungary can veto it. Can they?

Oh, I know Eichhörnchen. I think it's the consensus here and in the world in general that Russia is a terrorist state and has been for decades. We are just more open to recognizing that now. As far as the Veto. It's anyone's guess how that will play out.

Jimbuna

11-19-22, 11:37 AM

Great Britain will provide Ukraine with 125 anti-aircraft guns and radar stations, - Sunak

Great Britain will provide Ukraine with 125 anti-aircraft guns, radar stations and special winter equipment for the military.

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said this during his visit to Kyiv, Censor.NET reports with reference to LigaBusinessInform.

"Great Britain will continue to provide assistance until Ukraine achieves the peace and security it is counting on," he said.

Sunak reminded that this year alone Britain provided military aid to Ukraine for more than 3 billion pounds.

"We will also provide new assistance, including 125 anti-aircraft guns. We will also provide assistance in the form of radar stations," Sunak said.

In addition, Britain will continue to train the Ukrainian military, provide special winter equipment for them and humanitarian aid in the amount of more than 16 million pounds. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381737

Russia keeps 6 ships with 80 calibers in two seas - Navy

The Russian Federation maintains 6 missile carriers with a total salvo of 80 Calibers in the Black and Mediterranean Seas.

This was reported by the press service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET reports.

"As of 19.11.2022:

7 enemy ships are on combat duty in the Black Sea, of which 1 is a carrier of "Calibre" cruise missiles, the total salvo is 4 missiles;

in the Sea of Azov, the enemy continues to control sea communications by keeping 2 ships on combat duty;

in the Mediterranean Sea - 10 enemy ships, 5 of them carrying "Caliber" cruise missiles, total salvo - 76 missiles;

in a day, in the interests of the Russian Federation, the passage of the Kerch-Yenikal Strait was carried out by:

to the Sea of Azov - 24 vessels, of which 11 vessels were moving from the Bosphorus Strait;

to the Black Sea – 15 ships, of which 7 ships continued their movement in the direction of the Bosphorus Strait;

Russia continues to violate the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea of 1974 (SOLAS) by turning off automatic identification systems (AIS) on civilian vessels in the waters of the Sea of Azov," the message reads. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381742

Jimbuna

11-19-22, 11:47 AM

Johnson: Ukraine has nothing to negotiate with Russian Federation

Former Prime Minister of Great Britain Boris Johnson is convinced that under the current circumstances Ukraine has nothing to negotiate with Russia.

He wrote about this in a column for the Wall Street Journal, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"I understand why Volodymyr Zelensky says that he is ready for negotiations with Putin, and I do not doubt the sincerity of the Ukrainian president. If there was even an adequate peace plan available, the Ukrainian government would quickly seize it," Johnson said.

According to him, Ukraine definitely wants peace.

"Of course, Ukraine would like negotiations. But there is one problem, and it is the same one that Zelensky faces every day since February 24 - there is nothing to agree on. No potential mediator has yet been able to come up with a compromise that would be even slightly acceptable." - said the former British Prime Minister.

In his opinion, if we even assume that Western leaders would succeed in convincing Ukraine to "exchange land for peace", "any agreement of this kind will be disgusting and a moral disgrace for humanity."

"Even if the Ukrainians can be convinced to give up their rights to part of their lands, although they must not, cannot and will not do this, there is no reason to believe that Putin will abide by the terms of the agreement. Putin does not want to receive part of Ukraine. He wants all of her," Johnson emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381745

Scholz directly appealed to Putin: "Stop this war and withdraw troops from Ukraine"

Russia must stop the war against Ukraine and withdraw all its troops from its territory.

This is stated in the statement of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Censor.NET reports with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

"Stop this war, withdraw your troops and clear the way for peace negotiations, which cannot be dictated by Russia regarding Ukraine," - said Scholz to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

According to him, no country is the neighbor's backyard.

"No one has the right to take someone else's territory," the chancellor added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381748

mapuc

11-19-22, 12:34 PM

Danish Ekstra Bladet writes:

Expert: Putin may have to use nuclear weapons here

Russia has been knocked back onto the battlefield in Ukraine and, according to one expert, we are getting closer to the point where Vladimir Putin may have to resort to the all-destructive weapon

Just over a week ago, Ukraine retook the key city of Kherson in southern Ukraine, a huge loss for Russia.

But now the Russians can use the Dnipro River as a natural barrier at their defence line, and according to Peter Viggo Jakobsen of the Defence Academy, it is hugely important for Russia to hold that line, otherwise it is more or less open down to Crimea.

And should the defence line fall, he believes Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, may have to resort to nuclear weapons.

- I've always said that if he (Vladimir Putin) can't hold the line, he might use nuclear weapons, and I still believe that. And here we are talking tactical nuclear weapons in an attempt to get Ukraine and the West to stop, says Peter Viggo Jakobsen.

Crimea is very important to Putin, and it would be a huge defeat for the 70-year-old president if he had to cede the region.

- If Crimea starts to be threatened, that's where I see the greatest likelihood of nuclear weapons being used.

- He has threatened them several times, and we don't really believe him," says Peter Viggo Jakobsen, who stresses that it is difficult to predict Putin's plans.

However, in an interview with Sky Sports on Saturday, Ukraine's Deputy Defence Minister Volodymyr Havrylov said they see the Russian nuclear threat as low.

At the same time, he believes Ukraine must use its momentum over the winter to press on.

- They (Russia, ed.) are interested in pausing the war and bringing reinforcements. That's the dream. That's why we're not allowed to stop. We have to move forward, he says, says Ukraine's deputy defence minister.

According to Peter Viggo Jakobsen, however, the US and the rest of the West would prefer Ukraine not to pursue Crimea relentlessly for fear Putin would make good on his nuclear threats.

On the other side of the globe, China is also pushing for Russia not to press the nuclear button, says Peter Viggo Jakobsen.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Markus

Jimbuna

11-19-22, 12:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xdAkLMzKI

Jimbuna

11-19-22, 02:04 PM

Outcome of war in Ukraine will be decisive for this century, - Pentagon chief Austin

The outcome of the war in Ukraine will be one of the factors that determine the security situation in the world in the XXI century.

As reports Censor.NЕТ, this is stated by RBC-Ukraine referring to the statement of the US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin during the International Security Forum in Halifax.

"The outcome of the war in Ukraine will help determine the course of global security in this century," he said.

Austin also claimed that NATO is a defensive alliance and does not seek confrontation with Russia, does not pose a threat to it.

"But we will not be involved in the war. We will support Ukraine," the Pentagon chief said.

Austin added that the United States will defend every inch of NATO territory and continue to strengthen the collective defense of the alliance. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381776

Jimbuna

11-20-22, 01:26 PM

Zaporizhzhia shelling: Explosions at occupied nuclear site in Ukraine

By Patrick Jackson
BBC News, London

More than a dozen powerful explosions have been recorded near a huge Russian-occupied nuclear power plant in south Ukraine since Saturday evening.

The head of the UN nuclear watchdog, Rafael Grossi, made an urgent appeal for a stop to the fighting at the Zaporizhzhia plant, Europe's biggest.

"Whoever is behind this, it must stop immediately," he said. "You're playing with fire!"

The plant stands on the River Dnipro, on the front line in the war.

Russia's military accused Ukrainian forces on the other side of the river of shelling the area under its control. There was no immediate word from the Ukrainians who have previously suggested Russian forces shell the area themselves despite having their troops there.

The area around the plant, including the nearby Russian-occupied town of Enerhodar, had been under regular attack for months but there had been a period of calm before the new explosions this weekend, which continued into Sunday morning.

Monitors from Mr Grossi's organisation, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), witnessed some of the explosions from their windows.

Citing information provided by officials at the Russian-controlled plant, the IAEA team said there had been damage to some buildings, systems and equipment at the site, but nothing so far "critical for nuclear safety and security". There were no reports of casualties.

"The news from our team yesterday and this morning is extremely disturbing," Mr Grossi said. "Explosions occurred at the site of this major nuclear power plant, which is completely unacceptable."

He called once again for the two warring sides to agree and implement a nuclear safety and security zone around the plant as soon as possible.

"I'm not giving up until this zone has become a reality," he said. "As the ongoing apparent shelling demonstrates, it is needed more than ever."

Russian state media quoted an official from Russian nuclear power operator Rosenergoatom as saying 15 shells had been fired at the plant's facilities, landing near a dry nuclear waste storage facility and a building that houses fresh spent nuclear fuel, but no radioactive emissions had been detected.

The plant was overrun by Russian forces a few weeks after Moscow invaded Ukraine on 24 February.

Russia annexed the Zaporizhzhia region and other Ukrainian territory in September but has been pushed back on the battlefield in the south, notably in Kherson region, and the two armies face each other across the River Dnipro (known as the Dnieper in Russian).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63694763

August

11-20-22, 01:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxR1jmZTLew

Jimbuna

11-20-22, 01:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Wn8tn3BJM

Jimbuna

11-20-22, 01:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2dav3mYCxo

Jimbuna

11-20-22, 01:37 PM

Incitement of genocide is in full swing on Russian state television, - Kuleba

The incitement of genocide is in full swing on Russian state television.

Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba announced this on Twitter, Censor.NET informs.

They recognize that Russia is bombing the critical infrastructure of Ukraine in order to create unbearable living conditions for civilians, and are calling for new strikes," Kuleba said.

He called for a complete ban on Russian state propaganda in the EU and other countries. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381866

Melnyk to Sholtz: Russia only understands strength. Give Putin ultimatum

Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Andriy Melnyk believes that Germany should not ask, but in an ultimatum form, demand Russia to withdraw its troops from Ukraine.

He voiced his position on Twitter, addressing German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Censor.NET reports.

"Mr. Chancellor. It's good that you shouted to Putin to 'stop the war'. But these are just words. Russia only understands force. Give Putin an ultimatum. With painful consequences. Stop the energy genocide against Ukrainians. Do it," Melnyk wrote.

We will remind you that the day before, Scholz directly addressed the President of the Russian Federation, Putin. "Stop this war, withdraw your troops and clear the way for peace negotiations with Ukraine, which would not be dictated by Russia. No country is a neighbor's backyard. No one has the right to encroach on someone else's territory," Scholz said at the state party conference Social Democratic Party of Germany. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381870

Sanctions against Russia must be continued. Despite fact that they affect our economy, - Morawiecki

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said the West should continue to apply sanctions against Russia, despite their impact on the economy.

This is reported by RBC-Ukraine with reference to Polskie Radio 24, Censor.NET informs.

"Sanctions against Russia are effective, we must continue to apply them, despite the fact that they affect our economy. We must take a unified position on this issue, including on what are the real causes of the economic crisis," the head of the Polish government emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381884

Jimbuna

11-20-22, 01:47 PM

Germany will help repair Ukrainian infrastructure facilities, - Federal Development Minister Schulze

Germany will continue to provide assistance to Ukraine due to Russian attacks on the country’s energy infrastructure. This was stated by the Minister of Development of Germany, Svenja Schulze.

This is reported by RBC-Ukraine with reference to ARD, Censor.NET informs.

It is about the supply of generators, repair of power lines, water mains and gas pipelines.

"We will do everything possible to ensure that Ukraine survives this war," added Schultze. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381904

Russian Federation spread rumor about "execution" of captured occupiers to avoid responsibility. Fictitious surrender is war crime, - Lubinets

In the pro-Kremlin mass media, the Ukrainian military is accused of violating the procedure of surrender. The occupiers in the Luhansk region staged a surrender and opened fire on Ukrainian servicemen.

Dmytro Lubinets, the representative of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on human rights, reported the incident on his Telegram , Censor.NET reports.

"From separate pieces of the video about the incident with the Russian military in the Luhansk region, it can be concluded that, using the staged capture, the Russians committed a war crime — they opened fire on the military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In this case, persons from among Russian military personnel cannot be considered prisoners of war, but are those who are fighting and committing treason. Returning fire is not a war crime. On the contrary, those who want to use the protection of international law for murder must be punished.

The only reason for the death of Russian servicemen on the territory of Ukraine is the criminal policy of the Russian Federation, which launched an unjustified genocidal war against the Ukrainian people.

It is not surprising that such "throw-ins" with accusations are taking place against the background of the liberation of Kherson and the exposure of thousands of new facts of the Kremlin's war crimes.

It will not be possible to switch attention. Killers remain killers, and war criminals await the tribunal," Lubinets said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381885

Ukraine will investigate video with liquidated occupiers, - Stefanishyna

Ukraine is investigating a video that, according to Kremlin propagandists, allegedly shows Russian occupiers being shot and surrendered.

Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration Olha Stefanishyna in a comment to The Associated Press noted that it is "very unlikely" that the short edited fragments reflect what Moscow claims, Censor.NET reports with reference to UNIAN.

"Of course, the Ukrainian authorities are investigating this video," Stefanishyna said.

Stefanyshyn noted that the Ukrainian forces were "absolutely not interested in anyone's "execution" and received a direct order to take "as many prisoners of war as possible" so that they could be exchanged for Ukrainian soldiers.

"Every potential executed Russian soldier is some Ukrainian who cannot be exchanged, so there is no spirit and logic here," she said.

Asked whether Ukraine would allow an international investigation, Stefanishyna said: "We'll see. There are no problems with that."

The UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine called for further investigation.

"The monitoring mission is aware of this video and is studying it... We reiterate our call for all such allegations to be properly and promptly investigated by the appropriate authorities," the statement obtained by The Associated Press said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381887

Jimbuna

11-20-22, 02:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pprOLahWMss

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 07:19 AM

UN experts will today assess damage at Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear power site following renewed shelling in the area.

Russia and Ukraine have accused each other of carrying out explosions at the site of Europe's biggest nuclear power plant.

The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency Rafael Grossi has condemned the latest bombardment as another "close call"

Grossi said the shelling came within metres of hitting the plant's nuclear safety and security systems.

The facility, which is under Russian control, has come under fire multiple times during the war.

The latest shelling follows setbacks for Russian forces in the southern region of Kherson, and a barrage of Russian attacks on power facilities as winter sets in.

The governor of the city of Kherson has told the BBC that his priority is “making people there feel safe again”

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 07:34 AM

Russia does not seek change of power in Ukraine, - Peskov

Putin’s spokesman Dmytro Peskov said that the change of power in Ukraine is not the goal of the so-called "special operation".

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Interfax.

Journalists asked him to comment on the words of President Volodymyr Zelensky that Moscow does not seek peace with Kyiv, but seeks negotiations with the Ukrainian authorities to get a break. Peskov was asked if it was so.

"Russia wants to achieve its goals, and it will achieve them," Peskov replied.

Asked by journalists whether the change of power in Ukraine is one of the goals of the "special operation", Peskov answered: "No, the president (Putin) has already spoken about it." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382050

Israel will start supplying high-precision weapons to Ukraine if Russia receives Iranian missiles

Head of the National Security Staff, Eyal Hulata, warned Russia against purchasing Iranian ballistic missiles. He stated that if this happens, Israel will start supplying Ukraine with high-precision missiles.

This is reported by "News of Israel" and "Kan" TV channel, Censor.NET informs with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

According to the publication, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Israel protested the military cooperation between Iran and Russia. The Israeli ambassador in Moscow handed over the corresponding note to the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Mykhailo Bogdanov. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382034

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 07:47 AM

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 84,600 people, 2,892 tanks, 1,870 artillery systems, 5,822 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian invaders, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of November 21, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 84,600.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 21/11 are estimated to be:

personnel - about 84,600 (+390) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2892 (+6) units,
armored combat vehicles - 5822 (+5) units,
artillery systems - 1870 (+2) units,
MLRS - 393 (+0) units,
air defense equipment - 209 (+0) units,
aircraft - 278 (+0) units,
helicopters - 261 (+0) units,
UAV of the operational-tactical level - 1537 (+0),
cruise missiles - 480 (+0),
Warships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4378 (+7) units,
special equipment - 161 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3381970

Catfish

11-21-22, 09:53 AM

Macron is spot on here ..
Emmanuel Macron accuses Russia of feeding disinformation in Africa

French president says Moscow is pursuing ‘predatory project’ to spread influence in African countries

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/20/emmanuel-macron-accuses-russia-of-feeding-disinformation-in-africa

There is no european narrative being told, and if you see what average russians seem to bleieve if they look at russian propaganda 24/7 ... :nope:

em2nought

11-21-22, 11:14 AM

if you see what average russians seem to bleieve if they look at russian propaganda 24/7 ... :nope:

Press parroting a particular side's talking points to the exclusion of all others, seems to have a familiarity about it? :hmmm:

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 12:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65CuGWv8_BY

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 12:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVXKzOp2Po

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 01:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlg7R5oaijM

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 01:24 PM

NATO Parliamentary Assembly recognized Russia as terrorist state, - Cherniev

The NATO Parliamentary Assembly, which is currently taking place in Madrid, called for the creation of a special international tribunal to punish Russian criminals and recognized the Russian Federation as a terrorist state.

As Censor.NET informs, this was reported by the People's Deputy from the "Servant of the People" faction, the head of the permanent delegation of Ukraine to the NATO PA Yehor Cherniev.

"All 30 NATO countries supported the proposals of our delegation. Such a tribunal will make it possible to convict not only the direct perpetrators of war crimes, but also the top leadership of the Russian Federation. The resolution will be sent to the governments and parliaments of all NATO member countries," Cherniev said.

According to him, the resolution contains a number of important decisions for Ukraine:

increasing the supply of weapons to Ukraine;
development of specific steps regarding Ukraine's accession to NATO;
creation of a mechanism for collecting reparations from the Russian Federation for damages caused to Ukraine.

Chernev also emphasized that the resolution enshrines the principle that NATO will support Ukraine as long as necessary.

"The adoption of this resolution is an important political step that reflects the mood in Western parliamentary circles, and therefore influences the leadership of countries in decision-making," explained the head of the permanent delegation of Ukraine to the NATO PA.

He stated that the Ukrainian position regarding the creation of the tribunal, the payment of reparations and the recognition of Russia as a terrorist state is gradually receiving support at the highest international platforms.

"For crimes against humanity, war crimes that do not have a statute of limitations, and for the crime of aggression, punishment will be inevitable. We will definitely achieve this," Chernev concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382072

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 01:27 PM

NATO is putting more troops on high alert, - Stoltenberg

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg noted that the Alliance is currently doing everything to prevent the escalation of the conflict in Ukraine beyond its borders. Thus, the number of combat groups in the eastern part of the lines has been increased from four to eight, and even more troops are being put on high alert.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Suspilne.

According to him, the Alliance should be ready to support Ukraine in the long term.

"Yes, I know that this support comes at a price. In our countries, many people are facing a cost of living crisis. These are difficult times for many. But the price we pay as NATO allies is measured in money, and the Ukrainian state pays the price, which is measured in blood. And if we let Putin win, we will all pay a much higher price, or authoritarian regimes around the world will learn that they can get what they want. This will have direct consequences for our security, it will make the world more dangerous," the NATO Secretary General emphasized.

He also added that it would be a big mistake to underestimate Russia, as it "retains significant military potential, a large number of troops, is ready to suffer significant losses and is ready to inflict terrible suffering on the Ukrainian people."

Stoltenberg said that 2022 will be the eighth consecutive year of increased defense spending in Europe and Canada. By the end of the year, NATO will spend more than 350 billion US dollars in addition to defense.

"And we must realize that this war will most likely end at some stage at the negotiating table. But we also know that the outcome of these negotiations depends entirely on the strength on the battlefield. So, if we want an outcome acceptable to Ukraine, an outcome , which guarantees that Ukraine will be able to prevail as a sovereign, independent democratic nation in Europe, the best way to achieve this is through broad military support for Ukraine," he concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382074

Republican Senator Risch on fighter jets for Ukraine: When we fought in Vietnam, Russians supplied planes to our opponents. It’s time for US

According to US Congress Senator Jim Risch, a Republican, he himself supports the provision of Western-model fighter jets to Ukraine, but there is still no majority for this step among members of Congress.

Rish said this in an interview with "European Pravda" on the sidelines of the Halifax Security Forum, where he arrived at the head of the delegation of the American Congress, Censor.NET reports.

He noted that air control is necessary for Ukraine to win the war.

"I probably represent the most determined group (in the U.S. Congress). In particular, I think it's important to give Ukraine fighter jets and train your pilots. Some people say, 'Oh no, that's going to escalate.' But listen, when we fought in Vietnam and Korea, the Russians have supplied both planes and pilots to our adversaries! It is time for the US to reciprocate. I am absolutely ready to vote for such a move. I have met with Ukrainian pilots and believe they can use the F- 16. Yes, some training is required, but there are no major problems," noted Jim Risch.

At the same time, he admitted that there is no support from the majority for such a decision, as for the provision of Patriot complexes.

"Therefore, for the near term, I advise you to work on the next step being to provide more NASAMS. These systems have proven effective in closing the skies. With enough of them, it will be possible to essentially close the skies without using fighters. Use NASAMS, and in addition, the Stingers, which have already proven themselves quite well as an aid in closing the sky," noted Jim Rish. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382095

Jimbuna

11-21-22, 01:38 PM

NATO does not yet plan to introduce no-fly zone over Ukraine, - Stoltenberg

The North Atlantic Alliance does not plan to introduce a no-fly zone in the skies of Ukraine in the near future.

This was stated by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Censor.NET informs with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

"NATO is not yet planning to introduce a no-fly zone in the skies of Ukraine," Stoltenberg noted.

According to him, NATO does not yet plan to "close" the sky from Russian missiles and aircraft, because the bloc does not want to interfere in the Russian-Ukrainian war. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382102

Russia has not fulfilled its obligations in Syria, - Erdogan

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Russia of not fulfilling the agreements in Syria.

Erdogan said this to journalists on Monday, Censor.NET reports with reference to "Euro Integration".

The Turkish president recalled the 2019 agreements concluded in Sochi, according to which the Russian side assumed responsibility for clearing certain areas of Syria from, according to Erdogan, terrorists.

"Unfortunately, despite repeated reminders from the Turkish side, these obligations have not been fulfilled. If they do not fulfill, they cannot fulfill. In response, we declare that in case of non-fulfillment of the agreements, we ourselves will take the necessary steps against the terrorists," Erdogan said.

"This is what the strikes on 12 terrorist targets in the Syrian Koban are related to. This is part of the operations that will be continued," the Turkish president added.

In response to the terrorist attack in Istanbul on Sunday night, Turkey launched Operation Sword and Claw in northern Syria and Iraq, in which it says its warplanes destroyed 89 targets linked to terrorist organizations.

The strikes targeted bases of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and its affiliated Syrian Kurdish militia, the People's Self-Defense Forces (YPG), both of which Ankara considers terrorist organizations. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382138

Up to three million Ukrainians will be forced to leave their homes because of cold, - WHO forecasts

From 2 to 3 million residents of Ukraine are likely to leave their homes due to the onset of cold weather.

This was announced at a press conference by the director of the European Regional Bureau of the World Health Organization, Hans Kluge, Censor.NET reports with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

According to him, hundreds of thousands of premises throughout Ukraine do not have gas supply. Because of this, Ukrainians are not only unable to cook food, but are also deprived of heating.

"The cold weather can kill. Temperatures are forecast to drop to -20 degrees in some parts of the country. As families struggle to stay warm, many will be forced to resort to alternative heating methods, such as burning wood or generators... We expect 2-3 million people will leave their homes in search of warmth and safety," Kluge said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382148

Catfish

11-21-22, 02:44 PM

Press parroting a particular side's talking points to the exclusion of all others, seems to have a familiarity about it? :hmmm:
Please explain? :03:

Exocet25fr

11-21-22, 02:53 PM

War Crime on the other side!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/world/europe/russian-soldiers-shot-ukraine.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_JhsrNMRiY

August

11-21-22, 02:56 PM

War Crime on the other side!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/world/europe/russian-soldiers-shot-ukraine.html

If you are looking to excuse the many war crimes committed by the dastardly russian occupiers then you'll need a better example.

shot dead at close range after one of their fellow fighters suddenly opened fire on Ukrainian soldiers standing nearby.

Exocet25fr

11-21-22, 02:58 PM

CIA Project DYNAMIC!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CYLrIubX7g

Exocet25fr

11-21-22, 03:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM72TWJHSsU

August

11-21-22, 03:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM72TWJHSsU

I think this says it quite well:

It’s hard to imagine a more foolish reason to reject support for Ukraine than the fact that the nation’s desperate leader, Volodymyr Zelensky, was photographed by Annie Leibovitz for Vogue.

And yet, the internet being the internet, this is precisely what happened. Apparently, taking time for a portrait session in between combating brutal Russian efforts to dismember his country and destroy its people is an argument for wrapping up American support for the Ukrainian war effort.

The supposed unseriousness of Zelensky — who defied predictions that he would flee when Russian tanks rolled in — has been an undercurrent of the arguments made by Russian-friendly apparatchiks.

How are we supposed to take this guy seriously when he’s doing photo shoots with Ben Stiller? How can he possibly lead his country when he’s addressing the Grammys? Why are world leaders doing photo ops with him when there are more pressing concerns, such as inflation in their own countries or rising energy prices?

Set aside the absolutely lunatic idea that a world leader cannot meet with celebrities in the midst of a global crisis — a notion the ghosts of Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt would, in all likelihood, dispute. Let’s get real: Zelensky is meeting with Western celebrities and appearing in celebrity-focused magazines because that is the only way to keep the crisis in his country at the forefront of the American public’s mind.

That’s because if the American public is not presented with a celebrity or an influencer or a model of some renown in conjunction with a story, it is likely to stop paying attention.

We have remarkably poor attention spans. And, honestly, the news out of Ukraine is a little stale. The plot has gone on a hair too long. Needed some second act trims, really: You can’t expect us to care about yet another Russian atrocity, can you? Felt like the whole thing was treading water there for a while. What is this, a Netflix show? Cut the bloat.

That’s the cold, calculated truth. Without support from the West, Ukraine will fall; its borders will be redistributed at the whim of a Russian tyrant; and its people will suffer horrors they’ve not seen since the height of the Holodomor, when the Soviet Union embarked on a campaign of forced starvation in Ukraine.

Accusing Zelensky of unseriousness is merely projection on the behalf of the American people: If anyone is to be considered unserious, it’s us. That he is taking advantage of our unseriousness is not a strike against him but a reminder that Zelensky understands the power of optics in modern war.

I’m almost less offended by the Russian stooges who simply hate Ukrainian independence and hope to see the country torn asunder in order to demonstrate that the Russian bear should not be trifled with. Their ugly opinions are to be expected.

What is more worrisome are those, particularly those on the right, who have at least nominally supported Ukraine — or, at least, haven’t actively opposed American aid being sent to the beleaguered nation and its people — but are so turned off by the fact that Zelensky would appear in Vogue, a known habitat of the celebritum liberalis, that, well, it makes them reconsider the whole endeavor.

If your support for Western democracy is so decrepit that it collapses the moment one of its leaders steps in front of Leibovitz’s Hasselblad, then it really doesn’t matter what happens in Ukraine: The West is already lost.

Instead of getting mad at a desperate politician trying to save his country from destruction, perhaps you can redirect your agita toward the country that is reducing Ukrainian cities to rubble and forcibly relocating its people to all corners of the Russian landmass. There are villains in this conflict. Volodymyr Zelensky isn’t among them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/zelensky-vogue-annie-leibovitz-smart/

Exocet25fr

11-21-22, 05:50 PM

August

11-21-22, 07:14 PM

The villains in this conflict are the anglo saxon: usa with cia and their little slave doggie with mi6 ! :D

Be serious!, Russians shell and destroyed their own positions, their own pipelines, their own bridge, and now they have their own GUANTANAMO and give viagra to violate ukrainian women?, our, EUROPEAN aren't stupid!

So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!

Ukrainians aren't Russians any more than the French are Russians.

les green01

11-21-22, 09:28 PM

The villains in this conflict are the anglo saxon: usa with cia and their little slave doggie with mi6 ! :D

Be serious!, Russians shell and destroyed their own positions, their own pipelines, their own bridge, and now they have their own GUANTANAMO and give viagra to violate ukrainian women?, our, EUROPEAN aren't stupid!

So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!

guess i will spell your garbage out for you BS only villains in this mess is putin and his lapdogs but if you want your nose so far up putin behind then that is on you

Reece

11-21-22, 10:39 PM

:sign_yeah: :har::har:

Catfish

11-22-22, 03:45 AM

The villains in this conflict are
So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!
Not if they have such good friends in Franc[B]Ze

https://i.imgur.com/cPju5DMl.jpg

Jimbuna

11-22-22, 05:22 AM

Putin 'wants to end war' but Ukrainian bargaining power getting stronger, expert claims

The war in Ukraine has now raged on for more than 270 days with President Volodymyr Zelensky declaring that Ukraine "will endure" at a speech marking the country's national day of Dignity and Freedom. But John Bolton, the former assistant to the President for American National Security Affairs, has claimed Putin will seek to appear as if he is willing to engage in peace talks in order to keep the land already taken from Ukraine - rather than allow a Ukrainian victory.

Speaking to Times Radio on November 17, Mr Bolton explained that Putin is attempting to convince Europe he is looking for a way to end the war in a bid to split NATO and keep the territory he has taken so far.

As it stands, Ukraine has won back more than half the territory Russia captured since the beginning of the war according to the Institute for the Study of War's data.

Russia recently suffered a major setback after it lost the city of Kherson with Putin incurring a further blow at the beginning of October when the bridge between Russia and annexed Crimea was severely damaged in an explosion.

Mr Bolton said if Putin wants to split Europe - as he believes he does - and keep the status quo on the ground as it is now, he must engage in talks now.

He explained: "I believe what [Putin's] trying to do is convince people, Europeans in particular, that he is looking for a way to end this war, he's hoping to fragment the Western alliance and I think he believes he can outtalk Zelensky.

"Zelensky has rejected this alternative in the past and I would tell him to reject it again. I think Ukraine's bargaining posture here gets stronger every day that goes by."

Putin's war is not going as he had hoped with Mr Bolton claiming Russia's military performance is not showing "signs of improvement", meaning the Russian leader may resort to emerging with the status quo.

However, sources told the Daily Mail that President Zelensky will only be open to peace talks with Putin if all Ukrainian territory is reclaimed.

A poll conducted in September by Gallup found that 70 percent of Ukrainians want the war to continue until they achieve victory with 91 percent saying "victory" means all Ukrainian territory seized by Russia is recaptured, including Crimea.

But Mr Bolton warned that Putin may rely on the fact that the rest of the world may not be as resolute as the economic outlook continues to worsen.

Chancellor Jeremy Hunt announced last week that the UK will be sending £2.3billion to Ukraine.

The Russian President's invasion of Ukraine has also affected the energy crisis with gas and electricity increasing by "eight times their historic average", Mr Hunt explained during the autumn statement.

Mr Bolton continued: "I think Putin is trying to drive up the cost of the war economically. Ukrainian resolve is not going to be broken on this attack on their electrical power generation infrastructure but somebody's going have to pay to replace it.

"In the face of recession, both Europe and the United States are going to face, hoping that our resolve will crack even if Ukrainians' doesn't it."

According to the Government website, more than 40 percent of Ukraine's energy infrastructure has been damaged or completely destroyed by Russian attacks.

The recent strikes causing destruction to Ukraine's transmission lines, power stations, and pipelines have left ten million people without power.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-wants-to-end-war-but-ukrainian-bargaining-power-getting-stronger-expert-claims/ar-AA14niGX?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=65fd469661c74057b327d5d09f98f1df

Jimbuna

11-22-22, 05:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43MzETMLoeo

Jimbuna

11-22-22, 05:59 AM

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 85,000 people, 2,895 tanks, 1,882 artillery systems, 5,827 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of November 22, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 85,000.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 22/02 are approximately:

personnel - about 85,000 (+400) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2895 (+3) units,
armored fighting vehicles - 5827 (+5) units,
artillery systems - 1,882 (+12) units,
MLRS - 395 (+2) units,
air defense equipment - 209 (+0) units,
aircraft - 278 (+0) units,
helicopters - 261 (+0) units,
UAV of the operational-tactical level - 1537 (+0),
cruise missiles - 480 (+0),
Warships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4393 (+15) units,
special equipment - 161 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382209

blackswan40

11-22-22, 06:01 AM

I just hope the west keep supporting Ukraine and president Zelensky how ever long the road maybe its essential the west dont let Putin win.

Jimbuna

11-22-22, 06:04 AM

"Grain Agreement": 76 ships are waiting for permission to enter ports of Ukraine

As part of the "grain initiative", on Monday, November 21, three ships with agricultural products left Ukrainian ports, 76 are awaiting permission to enter.

The spokesman of the RMA, Serhii Bratchuk, said this in a commentary to Radio Liberty, Censor.NET informs.

"On Monday, three vessels left Ukrainian ports. They are transporting 90,428 tons of grain and other foodstuffs as part of the Black Sea Grain Initiative," the official said.

In addition, three dry cargoes, which passed through the humanitarian corridor on Monday, are heading to Ukrainian ports.

"76 vessels are awaiting permission to enter the ports of Ukraine, and 33 loaded dry cargoes are being prepared for inspection in Turkish territorial waters to proceed to their destinations," Bratchuk emphasized.
Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382215

Hague is deciding how to hold Russian Federation accountable for its aggression against Ukraine

Consultations were held in The Hague, Netherlands, on the mechanisms and tools of prosecution for committing the crime of aggression against Ukraine.

Ambassador of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Anton Korynevych said this in a comment to Ukrinform, Censor.NET informs.

"We worked in The Hague, actually, it was regular consultations with our Dutch partners. We are discussing various issues, in particular, regarding responsibility for the crime of aggression against Ukraine, the possibility of certain actions within the framework of the UN General Assembly, the creation of a special tribunal, how to strengthen and internationalize the national investigation and prosecution for the crime of aggression against Ukraine. All these issues are in the works, they are being discussed," he said.

Representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Justice of the Netherlands and experts took part in the consultations.

"We have held substantive consultations. We will move further along the track of finding the best options, opportunities both for the creation of a special tribunal regarding the crime of aggression against Ukraine and for strengthening the internationalization of the national investigation of the crime of aggression against Ukraine," Korynevych said.

Korynevich emphasizes that cooperation with the International Criminal Court (ICC) is also very important for Ukraine.

"I am convinced that the International Criminal Court should show good results regarding the investigation of the situation in Ukraine, it has all the tools for this. We absolutely support active cooperation with the ICC. The Special Tribunal will complement the work of the ICC. We see the special tribunal as a complementary mechanism to the ICC regarding the crime of aggression against Ukraine, a crime over which the ICC has no jurisdiction in our specific situation," he said.

The ambassador on the special assignment of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine emphasized that the crime of aggression against Ukraine "is the most obvious since the end of the Second World War.
This crime of aggression against Ukraine cannot be left unanswered, because then it would mean that any dictator can do similar things, at any time, understanding that he will not be held accountable for it, but will be limited to the responsibility of middle-level commanders for committing war crimes or crimes against humanity". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382230

Jimbuna

11-22-22, 06:05 AM

I just hope the west keep supporting Ukraine and president Zelensky how ever long the road maybe its essential the west dont let Putin win.

NATO conducts audit of all weapons to find remnants that can be transferred to Ukraine - Chernev

NATO member countries conduct audits and revisions of all weapons and ammunition to find remnants in warehouses that can be transferred to Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs, the head of the permanent delegation of Ukraine to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly Yehor Chernev announced this on Facebook.

"We had a conversation with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg about the exhaustion of weapons and ammunition for Ukraine in Western countries. Yes, indeed, there is such a trend, because no one was preparing for such a large-scale and intense war.

But NATO makes every effort and includes all available tools so that the flow of aid not only does not decrease but also increases.

1. NATO countries conduct audits and revisions of all weapons and ammunition to find remnants in warehouses that can be transferred to Ukraine.

2. NATO, by way of exception, allowed its members not to comply with the mandatory norms for the availability of weapons and ammunition to transfer part of the intact stocks to Ukraine.

3. NATO is negotiating with the world's largest arms manufacturers on long-term contracts, calculated for months and years in advance. Part of the manufactured weapons will go to replenish the arsenals of countries that have exhausted their reserves after handing them over to Ukraine, part will go directly to us," he said.

According to Chernev, no one "is going to leave Ukraine, no matter how long the war lasts."

"NATO is ready to support us as long as necessary. And this means that in the war of resources and the arms race, Russia will definitely lose. And we will win. There are no options," he concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382251

Rockstar

11-22-22, 10:26 AM

https://youtu.be/meI2F8HOnXs

Exocet25fr

11-22-22, 10:36 AM

About ICC and bothsides War Crimes!

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/6/10/its-in-kyivs-interest-to-investigate-war-crimes-by-ukrainians

August

11-22-22, 12:22 PM

About ICC and bothsides War Crimes!

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/6/10/its-in-kyivs-interest-to-investigate-war-crimes-by-ukrainians

While it is true that in every war both sides will commit what are considered to be war crimes, in this case the overwhelming number and extensive degree of Russia's many crimes in this conflict eclipse any isolated Ukrainian transgressions that you or your Russian propaganda sources might dig up.
For example your big and very flawed accusation of Ukrainians shooting prisoners in an isolated incident pales in comparison to the mass murders committed in places like Bucha and at a number of Ukrainian cities and towns as a matter of Russian standard policy. It pales in comparison to the Russia's ethnic cleansing efforts. It pales in comparison to the tens of thousands of Ukrainian children they kidnapped, the widespread looting and the thousands more war crimes that Russia has committed every day since they attacked a peaceful neighboring country.

Jimbuna

11-22-22, 01:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rg9fHxhkNo

Jimbuna

11-22-22, 01:24 PM

Russia has resources for another 3-4 massive missile strikes, - Danilov

Oleksiy Danilov said that Russia still has "too many" S-300 missiles.

As Censor.NET informs, Oleksii Danilov, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, said on Radio Liberty.

"We have reliable information about the presence of certain types of weapons on the territory of the Russian Federation. We have an understanding of how many remain - less than 10% of certain missiles remain, there are missiles with 18% remaining, and there are missiles that, unfortunately, are to hell with the territory The Russian Federation is S-300 missiles. There are too many of them. They are now being used in the Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Kharkiv regions. They still have a lot of them. As for high-precision missiles, we are well aware of how many they have today. If everything were all right, then they would definitely not turn to another country (Iran - ed.) in order to help them with missiles," he said.

According to him, Russia has the resources for 3-4 massive strikes equivalent to the attack that took place on November 15.

"The attack that took place on November 15 was one of the most powerful. If we are talking about such a shelling that took place on the 15th, then this is a maximum of three or four more times they can carry out such shelling," the NSDC secretary added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382384

Scholz called on Germany to be ready for escalation of war in Ukraine

Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that Germany should be ready for an escalation of the situation in Ukraine. It can consist in the destruction of infrastructure.

This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to Reuters.

"Given the development of the war and Russia's visible and growing failures ... we must be prepared for escalation," Scholz said at a conference in Berlin organized by the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.

Scholz said his recent trip to China was worth it to outline the two countries' joint position against the use of nuclear weapons.

During his visit to China earlier this month, Scholz and Chinese President Xi Jinping condemned threats to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

Scholz said the 100 billion euro defense fund announced after the Russian invasion was the result of a lesson learned while building up the defense stockpile of the German armed forces. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382338

Exocet25fr

11-22-22, 05:31 PM

NATO expansion: The origins of the current serious crisis

https://en.reseauinternational.net/expansion-de-lotan-les-origines-de-la-grave-crise-actuelle-1-3/

mapuc

11-22-22, 05:39 PM

NATO expansion: The origins of the current serious crisis

https://en.reseauinternational.net/expansion-de-lotan-les-origines-de-la-grave-crise-actuelle-1-3/

Ukraine have some agreement with Nato and some of the former soviet states like Poland, Romania and their army has since 2014 been trained by Nato
-But they were very far from becoming a Nato member-Now after Russia has invaded Ukraine...their step towards a membership has taken some huge leap.

Markus

les green01

11-22-22, 06:59 PM

Ukraine have some agreement with Nato and some of the former soviet states like Poland, Romania and their army has since 2014 been trained by Nato
-But they were very far from becoming a Nato member-Now after Russia has invaded Ukraine...their step towards a membership has taken some huge leap.

Markus

well said Markus,best thing i ever did was put Exocet25fr on the ignore list only time on here i use it(hey it works) honest with you I'm not for sure if he trolling or not sometimes, he wants us to think he in french sometimes russia well least now i don't have to read his garbage

Skybird

11-22-22, 07:00 PM

The NATO expansion arugment now is old and outdated. And anyway, even if one would have considere dit to be valid at soem apst time, it doe snot justify the ammount of atrocities, barbarism and genocide Putler has unleashed. BTW, his historic narration simpyl is historically wrong, simply that. Nationalistic mysticism.

But the narration by Russia doe snot even refer to that anymore, but Putler simply denied Ukrainians the righ to exist. He explicitly and literally said that,. in plain an´d straightforward words he said that. He claimed the right of Russia for ethnical cleansing and genocide. The amount of horrors and terrors, mas smurder sdan dintneitonalyl massacres of civlians, unleashed by the Russian fascists, stand in the same inhumane tradition like that established by Stalin, Hitler, and more ancient beasts like these.

Dont waste your breath, Markus, that Exocet guy sounds as if he is enlisted at the Russian services paying an army of trolls to conduct this kind of propanda war against the Western media world. At least he ticks all the boxes on the Russian troll description list, and his narration copies their blueprints perfectly. You have non chance to reach him with with any arguments or reason.

The only people who can decide whether or not they want to join Russia, are the Ukrainians themselves. And even the overwhelming majority of Russian-tongued Ukrainians are against that and are bitterly opposed to Russia now.

Putler calculated very badly when he decided for war. He has gotten old an foolish. And now he is toast, this way or the other. He just tries to delay the realisation some time longer. I said that already some months ago: Putin is done. And I stick to it.

What I also said, however, was that the Ukriane may pay for the successful self-defence with enormous destructions. Its unfair that all battle damages affect only Ukraine, not Russian soil and industries. we should have given them the long-reaching weapons to pay out to the Russians the change in the currency the Russians had chosen: and so attacking bases and industry in Russia. It should be Russian industries and cities burning, not Ukrainian. It should be Russians sitting in darkness and in the cold, not the Ukrainians. For it were the Russians attacking, not the Ukrainians.

Whjat we can now do is help Ukrainians to kill as many Russian men as possible. The bloodbath Putler has initiated will seriously affect the demographic future of Russia even if they have kidnapped tens of thousand of children to raise them as Russians in Russia (another one of these barbaric and unbelievable atrocities committed by the Russians). The psyhcologtic damage formt hsi war will deeply sink into the collective soul. And nothign good will come form this. Russia will just sink back even deeper into darkness and give birth to even more of a brutalised, violent national soul.

This war will haunt Russia like WW2 haunts the German psyche until today. Just the consequences will look very different. The Germans turned into helpless, fearful mimimis. The Russians I fear will turn into even more violent barbars. This reservoir of future brutality must be kept a close eye on. Containing it in the future will be a generational task - parallel to the challenge posed by China.

Who said this century will become easier than the last one...?

Reece

11-22-22, 08:15 PM

well said Markus,best thing i ever did was put Exocet25fr on the ignore list only time on here i use it(hey it works) honest with you I'm not for sure if he trolling or not sometimes, he wants us to think he in french sometimes russia well least now i don't have to read his garbage
Thanks for the tip Les, the first person added to my list!!! :Kaleun_Applaud:

Dont waste your breath, Markus, that Exocet guy sounds as if he is enlisted at the Russian services paying an army of trolls to conduct this kind of propanda war against the Western media world.

:har: :up:

Commander Wallace

11-22-22, 08:42 PM

well said Markus,best thing i ever did was put Exocet25fr on the ignore list only time on here i use it(hey it works) honest with you I'm not for sure if he trolling or not sometimes, he wants us to think he in french sometimes russia well least now i don't have to read his garbage

Good advice Les on sanctioning Exocet25fr. @ Skybird. Good advice as well.

Thanks for the tip Les, the first person added to my list!!! :Kaleun_Applaud:

:har: :up:

Great stuff Reece. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Catfish

11-23-22, 04:39 AM

This is hilarious, especially the "we will rock you" beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3D7bqKkBPw

Must be 50 people, and so totally not staged :rotfl2:

HunterICX

11-23-22, 04:52 AM

The villains in this conflict are the anglo saxon: usa with cia and their little slave doggie with mi6 ! :D

Be serious!, Russians shell and destroyed their own positions, their own pipelines, their own bridge, and now they have their own GUANTANAMO and give viagra to violate ukrainian women?, our, EUROPEAN aren't stupid!

So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!

No, we Europeans aren't stupid...but after having red everything you posted I got bad news for you though.

Commander Wallace

11-23-22, 08:05 AM

No, we Europeans aren't stupid...but after having red everything you posted I got bad news for you though.
Good to see you here in the forums, Hunter. :Kaleun_Applaud: However, you are wasting your time with Exocet25fr. He sees things as he does and that's it.

While it is true that in every war both sides will commit what are considered to be war crimes, in this case the overwhelming number and extensive degree of Russia's many crimes in this conflict eclipse any isolated Ukrainian transgressions that you or your Russian propaganda sources might dig up.
For example your big and very flawed accusation of Ukrainians shooting prisoners in an isolated incident pales in comparison to the mass murders committed in places like Bucha and at a number of Ukrainian cities and towns as a matter of Russian standard policy. It pales in comparison to the Russia's ethnic cleansing efforts. It pales in comparison to the tens of thousands of Ukrainian children they kidnapped, the widespread looting and the thousands more war crimes that Russia has committed every day since they attacked a peaceful neighboring country.

Unless I am wrong, It was never proven that the Ukrainians ever executed anyone. It may have happened and maybe even likely. As you pointed out, even if true, it pales in comparison to what Russia has done in this conflict. In this case, the Ukraine could be excused a bit for being angry and taking liberties with what are essentially, invaders.

It seems to be well established that Russia is better at executing deserters and women and children. Russia is better at trying to put together " false flag " operations as well from their tired operations guide. Reports of the Ukraine executing prisoners is more likely more propaganda from Russia to try to dissuade their own soldiers from deserting or defecting to the Ukraine. :yep:

Catfish

11-23-22, 08:15 AM

European Parliament declares Russia a state sponsor of terrorism

Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/european-lawmakers-declare-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism-2022-11-23/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxZVdMaPq7M

Skybird

11-23-22, 08:17 AM

Catfish

11-23-22, 08:21 AM

Good to see you here in the forums, Hunter. :Kaleun_Applaud:
Yes! Has been some time :)
Unless I am wrong, It was never proven that the Ukrainians ever executed anyone. It may have happened and maybe even likely. As you pointed out, even if true, it pales in comparison to what Russia has done in this conflict. In this case, the Ukraine could be excused a bit for being angry and taking liberties with what are essentially, invaders.

It seems to be well established that Russia is better at executing deserters and women and children. Russia is better at trying to put together " false flag " operations as well from their tired operations guide. Reports of the Ukraine executing prisoners is more likely more propaganda from Russia to try to dissuade their own soldiers from deserting or defecting to the Ukraine. :yep:

Wrote this in another forum –
(re Russia claiming ten russian soldiers killed after surrendering)

"Even if true, not quite a comparison with what Russia did and does, the sheer amount of numbers killed (add 6,600 ukrainian civilians), with thousands of ukrainian citizens, mothers and children abducted to Russia, adding atrocities, torture, barbarism and genocide – what "Russia said" has no merit.

Yep sh!t happens in a war, in every war. Now who started this internationally outlawed war of aggression?
So how did and do the russian invaders behave in Ukraine?
I am astonished how reluctant Ukraine's soldiers are behaving towards those invaders, there could be much more kills of surrendering russian soldiers out of pure hate, and quite understandable after what we saw. The lowest form of life are these "Wagner" mercenaries."

As Skybird wrote it does not make sense what "Russia said" or says, Ukraine is being denied the right to exist by Russia/Putin. He claimed Russia's "right" for ethnical cleansing and genocide.
Whoever wants to fight for this has to expect some resistance, and also hate. It is about survival.
It is indeed astonishing how lenient the ukrainian soldiers are when it comes to surrendering russians.

Commander Wallace

11-23-22, 08:36 AM

^ @ catfish. All good points. I think the reluctance you speak of has to do with the Slavic culture the Ukraine shares with Russia. It's just my opinion but I think the Ukraine just wants Russia gone and really not interested in killing Russians, unless it is to protects their homes, wives and children and their country. We can all understand that.

mapuc

11-23-22, 08:38 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/22/europe/boris-johnson-ukraine-invasion-europe-comments-intl/index.html

It may be Boris "the Clown" Johnson speaking, but his comments sound absolutely credible to me. Especially regarding Berlin and Paris.

The pro-Russian attitude in large parts of the political left in Germany still persists. The balance of sympathies slowly shifts against Ukraine in Germany. Puplic opinion is in a slow but constant slide away from Ukraine, and towards Russia. Some is due to economic opporutnism. Much is due to felt sentiments and the unwillingness to question long held own illusions.

Then I can inform you that it isn't just the political left who are pro-Russian Even many of my friend on the political right is pro-Russian. Only different could be how they see Putin. Those on the right think he is a statesman of format and (Conspiracy warning)they are convinced Putin is fighting against WEF and the new world order.

A word about support of the two combatant
We a majority of us support Ukraine more or less-
Those who support Russia and Putin-Should perhaps find other places on the web where similar people is.
They are welcome to post their standpoint here-however they must be advised that their comment isn't gonna be unanswered-Far from it.

That's how I see it.

Markus

Exocet25fr

11-23-22, 08:41 AM

ET2SN

11-23-22, 08:50 AM

A couple of new points to ponder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyaG64rGWoU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwA2rWWlCq0

Consider the messages and the timing. :hmmm:

I'm not saying either view is right or wrong, just consider what they're saying.

August

11-23-22, 09:14 AM

:) I'm FRENCH, and I'm neither pro-Russian, neither pro-Ukrainian, just an European in the middle, just adding other infos!:O:

I believed we are in democratie, NO ?. I'm flattered you waste your time with these lot of comments about me !?

Zelensky trapped by Moscow and Washington

https://en.reseauinternational.net/zelensky-piege-par-moscou-et-washington/

reseauinternational.net
A website that frequently shares conspiracy theories and false
international news, often drawn from sites known for publishing
propaganda and misinformation.

https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ReseauInternationalnet-label.pdf

Great source you have there bud. :roll:

Catfish

11-23-22, 09:16 AM

:) I'm FRENCH, and I'm neither pro-Russian, neither pro-Ukrainian, just an European in the middle, just adding other infos!:O:
If you say so. Sometimes you sound like a russian bot :03:
Are you living in a democray? If you are in Paris, yes.
Not if in Moscow.

The links you recently posted are not worth looking at.

"Resau international" is
"a website that frequently shares conspiracy theories and false
international news, often drawn from sites known for publishing
propaganda and misinformation.

ReseauInternational.net does not disclose its ownership.
According to registration records at the French Registry
of Commerce and Companies (Registre du commerce et
des sociétés), Réseau International is owned by a
Mauritanian-born French entrepreneur based in
Bordeaux named Sy Abou."

"ReseauInternational.net articles are republished from
sites that promote Russian and Chinese government
views, including the Russian-state run outlets RT and
Sputnik, pro-Russian news website Strategika51.org, the
anglophone website of the Chinese Communist Party
newspaper People's Daily, and German antiestablishment video site KLA.tv."

https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ReseauInternationalnet-label.pdf

edit: August just beat me to it :haha: :up:

Exocet25fr

11-23-22, 09:54 AM

Everyone has their sources!, maybe mines disturbs the single thought!?:)

I don't force you to read....!:salute: I don't really trust in your sources (Saddan weapon of mass destruction) , but I read them to make my own opinion....!

Ignorant tools = Conspiracy :haha:

Catfish

11-23-22, 09:54 AM

https://i.imgur.com/nk7rVtVl.jpg

mapuc

11-23-22, 10:31 AM

:) I'm FRENCH, and I'm neither pro-Russian, neither pro-Ukrainian, just an European in the middle, just adding other infos!:O:

I believed we are in democratie, NO ?. I'm flattered you waste your time with these lot of comments about me !?

Zelensky trapped by Moscow and Washington

https://en.reseauinternational.net/zelensky-piege-par-moscou-et-washington/

Yes here in the West we have democracy and then we have SubSim rules.
You have free speech-to a certain limits here on this forum.

We, well I certainly have huge problems believe what comes from Putins mouth and/or from Russian news agencies

Ukraine, a country who possess no threat to neither Russia, Europe or the world-Nevertheless Putin wanted Ukraine and invaded the country.

What makes me happy is that the Ruskies is getting a good old
days spanking.

Markus

Rockstar

11-23-22, 10:41 AM

Skybird

11-23-22, 11:54 AM

Die Welt:

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The EU Parliament declares Moscow a state supporter of terrorism. It is more than a strong signal. The way to confiscate Russian funds frozen in the EU is now to be paved - for the reconstruction of Ukraine.

Russia on Wednesday took a step further on the road to becoming an international pariah state. In a very far-reaching joint resolution, the European Parliament branded Russia's massive attacks on Ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure as "acts of terrorism" and recognized Russia as a "state supporter of terrorism and a state that uses terrorist means." The EU parliament thus follows the example of Poland and the Baltic states, whose deputies had also previously declared Russia a terrorist state.

Russian officials had said publicly in recent weeks that their massive bombing campaign against critical infrastructure in Ukraine, which constitute serious war crimes, were aimed at forcing the Ukrainian leadership to negotiate according to Russian guidelines. One of the classic definitions of terrorism defines it as, among other things, acts of intimidation of the population to achieve political goals, which in fact seems to fit precisely Russian attacks on civilian targets that do not follow any military logic.

The non-binding decision of the European Parliament is an important symbolic act that sheds further light on the criminal nature of the Russian regime. But what does it mean in practice? Unlike in the U.S. or Canada, no states in the EU are yet on the Commission's terror list.

The Parliament has therefore called on the Commission and EU member states to create a legal framework to declare countries terrorist states, which would then "trigger a number of significant, restrictive measures against these countries and which would have profound consequences for EU relations with these countries," according to this resolution. In the case of Russia, the Parliament is also concerned, among other things, with creating legal grounds for seizing frozen Russian funds in Europe to be used to repair war damage in Ukraine.

In fact, the EU is lagging far behind on these issues - behind the U.S., for example. There, four states are already on the list of terror sponsors. One of the consequences of this is that the international immunity of these states from U.S. courts is limited and victims of terrorist acts can sue the perpetrators of these acts. The same applies to Canada, which has now also created a legal basis for the seizure of frozen Russian funds. There is nothing comparable in the EU so far.

International law and international adjudication practice have built up a high hurdle for the seizure of funds from foreign states that are traditionally considered immune. Designation as a terrorist state seeks to undermine this tradition, following a legal philosophy that can be roughly summarized as follows: A state that uses terrorist means is clearly and gravely beyond the norms of international law-and therefore should not be allowed to claim the protection of those norms. However, even the U.S. government has so far refused to officially place Russia on the list of terrorist states.

The European Parliament, on the other hand, is now calling on the Commission and member states to "work towards the creation of a comprehensive international compensation mechanism," and it is calling on the Commission and national parliaments to create a legal regime that would allow for the confiscation of Russian assets frozen by the EU to be used to repair the damage caused by Russia's war in Ukraine and to compensate victims of Russian aggression. The Commission and the Council should develop specific legal instruments along the lines of the US, which are currently lacking in the EU, said former Lithuanian Prime Minister Andrius Kubilius, Parliament's Russia rapporteur, for example.

Meanwhile, the EU Commission has announced that it will take at least a small step in this direction. Justice Commissioner Didier Reynders said in the Irish Times that the Commission would present a directive in a few days that would make it possible to confiscate frozen assets of companies or individuals that have violated the EU's anti-Russia sanctions. That would affect a large chunk of nearly 18 billion euros in related assets. "If it is possible to confiscate that, then it will also be possible to return the money to the Ukrainian people. And that is what we are trying to do," Reynders said.

However, that would not involve funds frozen in the EU by the Russian state, which is the real perpetrator of the terrorist attacks on Ukraine. For example, about 30 billion of the Russian National Bank is also frozen in the EU, which would not be affected. However, Reynders said they were looking into whether these funds could be used as a "guarantee" to put pressure on Russia to pay for Ukraine's reconstruction. "It's quite logical after such aggression that part of the funding for reconstruction comes from Russia and not from the international community," Reynders said.

In principle, this is a view shared by all Western states. However, experts are currently racking their brains over how this can be translated into a legally watertight form in view of state immunity in international law. The designation of Russia as a terrorist regime by the EU Commission, as demanded by the EU Parliament, could in any case be an important element in the future for finding a legal basis for the confiscation of Russian state funds - and then using them for the reconstruction of Ukraine.
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No one with an intact sense of right and wrong and a healthy sense of justice can understand that Russia's frozen state visas in foreign accounts will not be made available as reparation payments to Ukraine: all of them. And laws that give priority to injustice over justice for reasons that are as flimsy as they are theoretical paragraph rhetoric are such bad laws that they should be disposed of as soon as possible.

These frozen assets must end up in Ukrainian hands, come what may. Maybe also paying some of the weapons delivered by the West with these assets. There is no excuse for an other outcome. Russia must be made paying for what it has done.

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 01:12 PM

A series of strikes has knocked out electricity supplies to large parts of Ukraine, including Lviv, Odessa and Kyiv.

More than half of neighbouring Moldova is without electricity as well, the deputy prime minister said.

Three power stations have been disconnected from Ukraine's nationwide network.

Russia has been targeting Ukraine's energy network for weeks, damaging almost half of it.

Today's missile strikes have also killed at least three people in Kyiv
Meanwhile, an earlier strike in the southern Zaporizhzhia region left a newborn baby dead.

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 01:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGloULu9rA

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 01:42 PM

If Kyiv falls, Russia will attack Poland. Putin showed his ruthlessness, - Morawiecki

If Kyiv falls, Russia will direct its aggression towards Poland, as dictator Vladimir Putin has "shown his ruthlessness".

Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki wrote about this in an article for the Super Expressie newspaper, Censor.NET reports with reference to Liga.net.

According to him, the incident with the fall of a rocket in Poland, which led to the death of two citizens, made the country realize how close war is.

He noted that Putin has been terrorizing Ukraine for many months, and the Russian missile strikes are not aimed at military targets, but at civilians.

"Poland was not directly attacked, which is the result of Polish analyzes and the experience of the allies. Intelligence data shows that it was an accident. But the main reason is known - if it were not for the war, if it were not for the massive shelling of Ukraine, this would never have happened. Responsibility for this Only Russia bears the tragedy," Morawiecki wrote.

He added that Poland is safe and does not want a war with Russia, which can be avoided through the victory of Ukraine.

"Putin has shown that he is a ruthless politician who will stop at nothing. If Kyiv falls, Russia will direct its aggression towards Poland," Morawiecki summarized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382526

Zelensky welcomes European Parliament’s recognition of Russia as state sponsor of terrorism: Russian Federation must be isolated at all levels

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky welcomes the European Parliament’s decision to recognize Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism and a state that uses means of terrorism.

The head of state announced this on Facebook, Censor.NET informs.

"I welcome the European Parliament's decision to recognize Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism and a state that uses means of terrorism. It is necessary to isolate Russia at all levels and bring it to justice to put an end to its long-term policy of terrorism in Ukraine and the world," Zelensky said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382521

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 01:44 PM

European Parliament recognized Russian Federation as state sponsor of terrorism

The European Parliament by a majority of votes adopted a resolution recognizing the Russian Federation as a state sponsor of terrorism.

The corresponding vote took place today in Strasbourg during the plenary session of the European Parliament, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

494 deputies spoke "for" this document, "against" - 58, and another 44 European politicians abstained.

The main provisions of the resolution on the recognition of Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism were agreed the day before at the level of heads of political groups of the European Parliament.

"The European Parliament... strongly condemns the war crimes and acts of terror against the civilian population committed by the Russian Federation and its accomplices to achieve destructive political goals in Ukraine and on the territory of other countries, and recognizes Russia as a state that sponsors terrorism and as a state that uses terrorist means," the document says.

MEPs condemned Russia's occupation of the Zaporizhzhia NPP as an act aimed at terrorizing the population of Ukraine and turning the nuclear plant into a military facility.

They expressed solidarity with the people of Ukraine and other victims of Russian aggression.

The document calls on the Council of the EU to include the so-called "Wagner group" and other militarized groups financed by Russia on the list of persons, groups, and institutions involved in terrorist activities and subject to relevant EU sanctions.

"The European Parliament... calls on the EU and the Member States to expand the legal framework for recognizing states as 'sponsors of terrorism, which would entail a significant number of significant restrictive measures against such countries and would have far-reaching restrictive consequences for the EU's relations with such countries; calls on the EU Council, accordingly, consider the inclusion of the Russian Federation in the list of state sponsors of terrorism," the document also states.

MEPs emphasized the need to bring to justice those states, non-state actors, and individuals who support and enable Russia's armed aggression, as well as strengthen its military capabilities.

"The European Parliament... confirms its call to the European Commission and the member states to support all legitimate international and national processes to investigate the crimes committed during Russia's aggressive war against Ukraine, given the need to bring all criminals to justice, as well as to provide adequate support for the creation of a special tribunal that will deal with the crime of aggression by Russia against Ukraine," the resolution says.

At the same time, the deputies called on the European Commission and member states to join efforts to create a broad international "compensation mechanism", which should include the creation of an international register of damage caused and mechanisms of interaction with the Ukrainian authorities in these cases.

MEPs called on the EU and its member states to ban the public use of any symbols associated with Russian military aggression and in one way or another justifying or supporting such criminal actions. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382515

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 01:46 PM

Unlocking ports for metal export will give Ukraine about billion dollars every month, - Kalenkov

The mining and metallurgical complex of Ukraine is currently experiencing a deep crisis, for the solution of which the unblocking of sea ports for the export of products is extremely necessary. At the same time, it will give Ukraine about a billion dollars of monthly foreign exchange earnings.

As Censor.NET informs, the president of "Ukrmetalurgprom" wrote about this in his column for Interfax Ukraine.

"MMC is an export-oriented industry. In pre-war times, we sent 80% of our products to foreign markets, about 70% of exports went through seaports. Therefore, the ability to export by sea is the main issue for our industry, and therefore for the economy of Ukraine.
Let me remind you that in the structure of Ukrainian exports, MMC products take up more than a third. And over the past year, the sale of our products on world markets brought Ukraine about $22 billion in foreign exchange revenue," Kalenkov noted.

He emphasized: Today the export of grain through the "transport corridor", which was created thanks to Ukraine's international partners, provides about 1 billion dollars of income every month.

"About the same amount, if not more, of currency can be generated by the export of MMC products. In other words, Ukraine can thus double the volume of foreign exchange earnings - the benefit for the state is obvious. In addition, the restoration of metal exports by sea will allow the recovery of MMC production, and the retention of highly qualified and experienced workers collectives and increase tax revenues to the state budget," Kalenkov emphasized.

He assured: market participants highly appreciate the titanic work of Ukrainian diplomats and international partners in unblocking sea exports, and are well aware that successful negotiations with a "maddened" neighbor are a very difficult task.

"However, this goal is quite real. For this, we only need an understanding of the importance of this expansion on the part of the international community. Therefore, we once again ask our diplomats to constantly emphasize the need to expand the range of goods transported through the open corridor," Kalenkov summarized.

It will be recalled that earlier the directors of three seaports - "Yuzhnyi", "TIS-Vuhillia" and "Tis-Ruda" - called on President Volodymyr Zelenskyi to extend the effect of the "grain corridor" to metal products: they said that this would strengthen the hryvnia and the economy because one ship with iron ore provides $14 million in export earnings, and Ukraine can send 200 such ships a year. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382506

Dargo

11-23-22, 01:51 PM

The United States continues to support Ukraine with additional military assistance to help defend itself, including from the Kremlin’s relentless attacks on Ukraine’s critical energy infrastructure.

Pursuant to a delegation of authority from the President, today I am authorizing our twenty-sixth drawdown of U.S. arms and equipment for Ukraine since August 2021. This $400 million drawdown includes additional arms, munitions, and air defense equipment from U.S. Department of Defense inventories. This drawdown will bring the total U.S. military assistance for Ukraine to an unprecedented level of approximately $19.7 billion, since the beginning of the Administration.

The United States will continue to stand with more than 40 allies and partners in support of the people of Ukraine as they defend their freedom and independence with extraordinary courage and boundless determination. The artillery ammunition, precision fires, air defense missiles, and tactical vehicles that we are providing will best serve Ukraine on the battlefield. We are joined in our efforts by France and the UK, including the £50 million in air defense systems offered by UK Prime Minister Sunak during his recent visit to Kyiv, and we note Sweden’s recent air defense commitment valued at nearly $300 million.

We will continue to support Ukraine for as long as it takes, so it can continue to defend itself and be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table when the time comes.

We stand United with Ukraine.

mapuc

11-23-22, 01:54 PM

Don't know about your thoughts when your heard or read that EU has recognizing the Russian Federation as a state sponsor of terrorism.

In my head this popped up in my memory(had to search to get exact phrase)

“My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”
(Ronald Reagan)

Markus

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 02:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-YJx0iYCME

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 02:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz2vRvxC7I

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 02:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKIRFa4FN_A

Dargo

11-23-22, 02:19 PM

The fallout of the Kremlin’s war against Ukraine includes Russia’s loss of influence over ex-Soviet republics, which Moscow viewed as strategic buffer zones against potential enemies. Of all post-Soviet leaders, only Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko remains loyal to Russian President Vladimir Putin. It is one of the signs that Russia – the former imperial center – is weaker among its formerly conquered countries than it has been for more than a century since the Romanov Empire was falling apart and the Soviet Union had not yet been established, from 1917-1922.

Russia has always been obsessed with the notion of strategic depth, involving the creation of buffer states or spheres of influence. The aim is to keep a potential war front as far away as possible from Moscow and other key cities. In the Kremlin mindset, former Soviet republics are essential for ensuring that NATO or China will not get too close.

From the Russian point of view, the few historical examples of strategic depth violation – by the Poles at the beginning of the 17th century, the French under Napoleon and the Germans under Hitler – were traumatizing threats to the existence of the state. Today, the Kremlin’s flailing invasion of Ukraine is stirring discontent along its western and southern borders.

Over the past three decades, at least eight of the 14 post-Soviet republics have stayed friendly with Moscow, giving the Russian authorities a sense of relative security and control. These nations also provided safe havens for Russian culture, language and trade. In the last few months, however, they have stopped fulfilling this comforting role. Russia’s strategic depth is no longer secured along nearly all its land borders. President Putin cannot count anymore on the former Soviet republics.

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/putin-lonely-russia/

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 02:29 PM

Zaluzhny about missile attacks: Russia is unable to defeat Ukrainian Armed Forces, so it wages war against civilians, TPPs and hospitals

Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valeryi Zaluzhnyi congratulated Ukrainian warriors on the Day of Air Assault Troops.

This is stated by Censor.NЕТ with a link to the page of the Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Facebook.

"Today, the terrorist country Russian Federation has launched a massive missile strike on the critical infrastructure of our state. Being unable to overcome the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the enemy wages war against civilians, thermal power plants, medical institutions and even babies.

During today's attack, the enemy launched 67 air-launched ("X-101 / X-555") and sea-launched ("Kalibr") cruise missiles. The forces and means of the Air Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in cooperation with other components of the Defense Forces destroyed 51 cruise missiles, as well as 5 kamikaze drones of the "Lancet" type.

Read more: Power units of Southern Ukrainian NPP disconnected

Only 30 missiles were launched at Kyiv, 20 were destroyed.

I thank the servicemen whose professionalism saves lives. You are an example for the whole world. What you do in the conditions of constant shortage of weapons, equipment, ammunition is on the verge of possible.

I am grateful to the partner countries for providing air and missile defense systems that protect the sky above us. Peace in Europe directly depends on the stability and security of Ukraine," Zaluzhny said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382611

All services are working, we will restore and overcome all this, - Zelensky on consequences of infrastructure damage

The local authorities and all services are working to restore electricity and water supply, which was damaged as a result of another missile strikes by the Russian Federation.

This was stated by President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky in video appeal, reports Ukrinform.

Zelenskyy reminded that today, November 23, the European Parliament had recognized the Russian Federation as a state sponsor of terrorism. He thanked all parliamentarians.

"And then Russia proved to the whole world that this is true by using 67 missiles against our infrastructure, our energy sector, our people. The result is tragic - a large number of wounded and dead," the President noted.

He expressed condolences to all those who lost their relatives and friends.

"As for electricity and water supply, everyone is working, power engineers are working, the State Emergency Service, everyone, local authorities are working. The task has been set. We will restore all this and we will pass all this, because we are unbreakable people. Thank you all! Take care of yourself," Zelensky stressed. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382586

Jimbuna

11-23-22, 02:53 PM

US aid package worth $400 million includes ammunition for NASAMS and HIMARS, machine guns, tactical vehicles and generators

The United States has provided 25 packages of weapons and equipment to Ukraine since August 2021. The 26th will include additional weapons, ammunition and air defense equipment from the US Department of Defense stockpiles worth $400 million.

This was announced by US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to site of Department of Defense.

According to him, together with the new package, the total US military assistance to Ukraine will reach an unprecedented level of approximately $ 19.7 billion during the term of the Administration of US President Joe Biden.

According to the Pentagon, the new package includes:

- Additional ammunition for NASAMS;

- 150 heavy machine guns with thermal imaging sights to counter unmanned aerial systems;

- Additional ammunition for Highly Mobile Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);

- 200 high-precision artillery shells of 155 mm caliber;

- 10 thousand 120 mm mortar shells;

- High-speed anti-radar missiles (Harm);

- 150 highly mobile multipurpose wheeled vehicles (HMMWV);

- More than 100 light tactical vehicles;

- more than 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition;

- More than 200 generators;

- Spare parts for 105-mm howitzers and other equipment. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382612

HunterICX

11-24-22, 05:36 AM

Good to see you here in the forums, Hunter. :Kaleun_Applaud: However, you are wasting your time with Exocet25fr. He sees things as he does and that's it.

:Kaleun_Salute:I tend to drop by now and then. Thanks. :)

Jimbuna

11-24-22, 07:12 AM

Around 70% of the Ukrainian capital remained without power on Thursday morning, as work continued to restore the city's water supply.

Russian attacks on energy facilities have caused power cuts across Ukraine.

Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko said energy firms were trying to restore electricity as soon as possible, but this would depend on the "balance" in the national grid.

Across Ukraine, winter is setting in, with snow and sub-zero temperatures.

This morning, a thick wet mist hung over Kyiv. You could make out the shapes of nearby buildings, but barely. The only lights seemed to be the headlamps of cars.

Many people now see their workplace as a refuge from the cold, because at least the heating is always on - unlike at home.

But many in Kyiv seem matter-of-fact about the hardships they are facing, finding ways to work around it. More and more people are installing generators as a means of having back-up power.

And running water is also no longer a guarantee - even before yesterday's latest missile attack.

President Volodymyr Zelensky was defiant on social media, writing: "Light always prevails over darkness."

He said Russian occupierswould never understand this, "existing for a long time in an impenetrable darkness themselves".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63740923

Jimbuna

11-24-22, 07:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOOKh243yXQ

Jimbuna

11-24-22, 07:40 AM

Zelensky urged to support "Ukrainian formula of peace" at UN Security Council meeting

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky addressed an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council in the evening of November 23 via videoconference.

This is stated by Censor.NЕТ with reference to Ukrinform.

The President urged the UN to condemn Russian missile strikes on the energy infrastructure: "While Ukraine offers a ten-point peace plan, Russia responds with missiles. We are waiting for a reaction to the Russian terror. We need air defense systems. It's time to support the Ukrainian formula for peace."

Zelensky also invited UN representatives to come and see what Russia has done to Ukrainian infrastructure.

"A terrorist state cannot participate in any voting related to its aggression. It is a deadlock when the party waging war blocks any attempt on behalf of the UN Security Council to fulfill its mandate".

According to the President, Russia is doing everything for "the power generator to be a more powerful tool than the UN Charter". But the UN can correct this situation in order "not to be hostages of one international terrorist - Russia," he added.

Zelensky also noted that the shelling of Ukraine's critical infrastructure is a Russian formula for terror, which affects not only Ukraine but also neighboring states.

In conditions when the temperature is below zero and tens of millions of people are left without electricity, heating, water - "this is a weapon of mass destruction, this is an obvious crime against humanity," the President of Ukraine stated.

It should be recalled that in the afternoon of November 23, an air alert was declared in most regions of Ukraine. Explosions were reported in Odesa, Mykolaiv and other regions.

Residents of Kyiv heard the sounds of explosions in different areas. According to the authorities, critical infrastructure facilities were hit. It is known about the dead and injured.

All power units at Rivne, South Ukraine and Khmelnytsky NPPs are offline, Zaporizhzhia NPP is in full blackout mode.

The Air Force reports that Russia launched 70 cruise missiles at Ukraine, air defense destroyed 51. According to the National Police, Russian missiles hit 16 infrastructure facilities, killing 10 people. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382633

Jimbuna

11-24-22, 08:15 AM

G7 ambassadors stunned by ongoing Russian attacks: ’We stand with Ukrainians’

The ambassadors of the "Big Seven" countries expressed their support for Ukrainians.

They announced this on Twitter, Censor.NET reports.

"The G7 ambassadors in Kyiv are appalled by the ongoing Russian attacks on the Ukrainian energy system during the 9 months of Russian full-scale aggression against Ukraine. We stand with the Ukrainians, sharing their grief over the innocent lives lost and facing water and electricity shortages with them," the message reads. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382673

Actions of Russian Federation make idea of any peace talks absurd, - Kuleba

Actions of Russian Federation make the idea of any peace talks absurd, - Kuleba.

He stated this in a comment to the Japanese publication NHK, informs Censor.NET.

According to him, the actions of the Russian troops make the idea of any peace talks... "absurd." The minister added that the leaders in Moscow are using the negotiations as a "smoke screen" to continue their "aggression and terror".

Kuleba emphasized that Ukraine will continue to liberate the territory to "save people from torture, suffering, and a life of poverty." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382680

Russia is preparing troops for "aggravation" at border, - the General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine

Russian occupying forces are preparing for an "aggravation of the situation" on the border with Ukraine.

This was announced by the Deputy Chief of the Main Operational Department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksiy Gromov, Censor.NET reports.

"The adversary is spreading information and preparing its troops for the so-called possible "escalation of the situation" on the Russian-Ukrainian border from November 23 to 28. At the same time, it is expected that "NATO and Ukraine will demand to capture the borders of peace-loving Belarus and Russia," he said.

According to him, this is reminiscent of the scenarios of the exercises already conducted by the Belarusians in September of this year.

"Against this background, units of the Russian occupying forces in the Belgorod region have been determined to install a mine-explosive barricade to prevent the so-called "Ukrainian DRGs from breaking through." information, it would be wrong to rule out any provocations by the enemy on the border," Gromov said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382728

Jimbuna

11-24-22, 12:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npE1lWZiFhQ

Jimbuna

11-24-22, 12:47 PM

50 Ukrainian soldiers were returned from Russian captivity. PHOTO

Ukraine conducted another exchange and returned another 50 Ukrainian soldiers from Russian captivity.

Andriy Yermak, the head of the President's Office, announced this in his Telegram channel, Censor.NET reports.

"Today, it was possible to return 50 Ukrainian soldiers from Russian captivity. These are 20 national guardsmen, 12 guys from the Navy, ten soldiers from the Armed Forces, 6 - from DPSU, and two from TRo. Among them are two officers and 48 privates and sergeants," Yermak wrote.

According to the head of the OP, among them are two officers and 48 privates and sergeants.

"It is important that we managed to return 19 defenders of Mariupol, 12 of whom were evacuated from Azovstal, as well as 15 prisoners from the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant and seven from Zmiiny Island," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3382762

Jimbuna

11-24-22, 01:47 PM

Putin's crony dubbed 'the chef' sends 'bloodied sledgehammer' to EU

The Kremlin-linked boss of the brutal Wagner Group claims to have sent a bloodied sledgehammer to the European Parliament.

Vladimir Putin’s close confidant Yevgeny Prigozhin was responding to a vote to declare Russia a ‘state sponsor of terrorism’ and his mercenaries a ‘terrorist group’.

Smeared with artificial blood, the metal weapon bears the logo and the name of the Russian private military company, and was delivered in a violin case.

The oligarch has used the war in Ukraine to establish himself in Russian politics, after his company first appeared in the country in 2014, where it participated in the annexation of Crimea.

His sickening stunt relates to a video of a former mercenary who was executed with a sledgehammer blow to the head after changing sides during the invasion.

The man, who gave his name as Yevgenny Nuzhin, was shown with his head taped to a brick wall.

The 55-year-old claimed he was abducted in Kyiv in October and came around in a cellar.

‘I got hit over the head and lost consciousness and came around in this cellar,’ he said. ‘They told me I was to be tried.’

Moments after, an unidentified man behind Mr Nuzhin smashed a sledgehammer into the side of his head and neck.

The tied-up victim can be seen collapsing onto the floor as the man delivers yet another blow to his head.

The video was posted on a Telegram channel, previously connected with the Wagner Group, under the title ‘The hammer of revenge’.

Asked to comment, Mr Prigozhin said in remarks released by his spokesperson that the video should be called ‘A dog receives a dog’s death’.

The oligarch posted about the sledgehammer, which he wants to be presented to MEPs.

He said: ‘I don’t know what law the European Parliament is guided by.

‘But according to our legislation, from today we declare the European Parliament dissolved.’

The sledgehammer was given by his lawyer to a representative of a pro-Russia channel CYBER FRONT Z supposedly to be sent to Strasbourg.

It is yet unclear if his so-called ‘gift’ has been received by MEPs, but the video was circulated on social media as the European Parliament’s website was hit by a cyberattack by a pro-Kremlin group.

President Roberta Metsola said on Twitter yesterday: ‘The European Parliament is under a sophisticated cyberattack.

‘A pro-Kremlin group has claimed responsibility. Our IT experts are pushing back against it and are protecting our systems.

‘This, after we proclaimed Russia as a State-sponsor of terrorism. My response: #SlavaUkraini’.

The popular hashtag, which has seen a rise in popularity since February, translates to ‘glory to Ukraine’.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-s-crony-dubbed-the-chef-sends-bloodied-sledgehammer-to-eu/ar-AA14vfjz?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=f32839e002424c589f7a7658e14242e4

August

11-24-22, 02:05 PM

Putin's crony dubbed 'the chef' sends 'bloodied sledgehammer' to EU

This guy has an interesting take on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caWT9pOnmyw

Jimbuna

11-25-22, 05:14 AM

The foreign secretary has announced the UK will send 24 ambulances to Ukraine, while on a visit to the country.

James Cleverly travelled to the capital Kyiv on Thursday and is set to hold talks with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

It comes just days after Rishi Sunak also made a visit to the city, his first since becoming prime minister.

Mr Cleverly said the UK stands "shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine" and that Russia's attack "will fail".

As well as ambulances, a further 11 emergency vehicles, including six armoured vehicles, will be part of the emergency package.

It will include £3m in funding to help with the rebuilding of infrastructure, such as schools and shelters, that has been destroyed since the start of the war.

The funds will also be used to support survivors of sexual assault. The conflict has seen numerous reports, including by UN representatives, of sexual violence by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilians.

Mr Cleverly said that, as winter sets in, Russia was aiming to "break Ukrainian resolve through its brutal attacks on civilians, hospitals and energy infrastructure".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63752422

Skybird

11-25-22, 08:57 AM

Neue Zürcher Zeitung:
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Winter is approaching in Ukraine - what does that mean for the war?

Mud, cold, wear and tear on materiel: There are numerous hurdles in the Ukrainian winter that make warfare difficult. Four factors will be decisive for events in the coming months - and the Ukrainians do not have the advantage everywhere.

Temperatures along the front will plummet in the coming weeks. Cold, wet and frost will affect not only soldiers, but also weapons systems and supply routes.
Temperatures along the front will drop sharply in the coming weeks. Cold, wet and frost are not only affecting soldiers, but also weapon systems and supply routes.

A few days ago, the first snow reached Ukraine. For now, it snowed only a few centimeters. Soon there will be more, including in places along the front. Ukraine is expecting its first winter of war nine months after being invaded by Russia.

A look at history shows: The cold season brings opportunities and risks - but basically the defender benefits. In the Soviet-Finnish War of 1939/40, the Russians' advance in Finland was slowed by weather conditions. Hitler's Wehrmacht's attack on Russia failed in December 1941, not least because of the harsh winter.

Today, Russia, as the aggressor, is trying to use this to its advantage. For weeks, Moscow has relied on destroying civilian infrastructure with kamikaze drones and cruise missiles to freeze Ukrainians, stoke social tensions and pressure Kiev. That's part of a broader strategy, says Carlo Masala, a political scientist at the University of the Armed Forces in Munich.

"On the battlefield, the Russians need a tactical pause," he says. A slowdown in the war effort should buy time to move defensive positions along the front and bring mobilized fighters to the front, he says. "Their goal is to stabilize the front over the winter so they can resume offensives in the spring with new forces," Masala explains.

That makes it all the more important for the Ukrainians to keep Russian troops on the move and take advantage of the momentum they have so far, says strategy expert Marcel Berni of the ETH Zurich Military Academy. "Ukraine wants to avoid the war of position at all costs."

For Russia and Ukraine, an extremely difficult phase of the war is dawning. Who benefits from the winter? Four factors will be decisive in the coming months.

Factor I: The weather

Although it has already snowed in many parts of Ukraine, the German Weather Service sees "a slight tendency for a warmer winter." This bodes rather poorly for military offensives, which in recent weeks have emanated primarily from the Ukrainians. "The cold is a smaller problem than the mud," says Carlo Masala.

Tracked vehicles that normally travel cross-country must use asphalt roads during the notorious Ukrainian mud season. This so-called "rasputiza" began several weeks ago. On the roads, vehicles are more visible, more predictable and easier targets for enemy airstrikes. Wheeled vehicles are also at risk of being crippled by the mud. Videos show how even modern military vehicles can barely make headway on the muddy roads, or tanks sink into the deep mud.

For troop mobility and possible offensives, sub-zero temperatures and frozen ground are therefore more suitable. In the eastern sections of the front, in the Donbass, temperatures usually drop sharply in December, with an average temperature of -3 degrees. On the frozen ground, heavy equipment makes faster and more protected progress. However, the chains of the vehicles also break more often because of the cold. This increases the risk of getting stuck in open fields and coming under fire.

While average temperatures in the east remain below freezing for months on end, temperatures in the south are higher. Only in January are average values below the zero degree limit reached here. The "Rasputitsa" lasts much longer in the Kherson region, for example, and is thus likely to slow down the fighting as well. "Ukrainian offensives like the one in Kharkiv in September, when soldiers could advance very quickly with light equipment, are unthinkable during the mud period," says Berni, a strategy expert.

The mud benefits the defender overall - this fact, paradoxically, should make it easier for the Russians to dig into the occupied areas. But the situation is expected to remain more dynamic in the eastern sections of the front, where the ground sometimes remains frozen for weeks.

Factor II: The Weapons

Cold, precipitation and frost also affect the material. At low sub-zero temperatures, the probability of material damage and fractures increases. The breechblocks of rifles and artillery pieces freeze. Vehicle engines and generators may not start. Batteries discharge more quickly. Electronic components that are not kept warm no longer function.

The war in Ukraine is to a significant extent an artillery war. However, the functioning of this type of weaponry is made particularly difficult by the winter. Because of the danger of attacks from the air or from enemy artillery, the guns must constantly move and rely on cover.

But the sparser vegetation in winter and lack of foliage make troops and weapons easier to see. In thermal imagery for reconnaissance as well as target acquisition, people and warm engines are also easier to see because of the greater temperature differences. To compensate for the deficit in camouflage, guns must increasingly move at night and seek cover under the protection of buildings.

Thanks to Western arms deliveries, the Ukrainians have much more modern and precise equipment at their disposal. Some of the electronics in these weapons are highly sensitive, making them more susceptible to cold temperatures - unlike the Soviet guns used by the Russians, which are primarily mechanical. However, it has been shown in Afghanistan that the M777 towed howitzers, for example, as well as the now famous American-made Himars multiple rocket launchers, perform well even in winter conditions.

Nevertheless, the Ukrainian artillery is vulnerable - especially when it advances into the open, explains Masala: "For the Ukrainians, the disadvantage lies in the question of where they position their multiple rocket launchers. For the Russians, who are retreating to fortified positions, this question does not arise." Marcel Berni of the ETH nevertheless sees the Ukrainians as having an advantage: "Their artillery is far superior to that of the Russians. It also plays a role that they are supplied with excellent situational awareness by the Americans."

This shows that Ukraine will be dependent on the support of Western countries, especially in the winter. This applies not least to equipping the troops.

Factor III: The equipment

As temperatures drop, it becomes increasingly important for soldiers on the front lines to be well equipped - winter coats, waterproof shoes, thermal underwear. But this is precisely what the Russians have been lacking since the beginning of the war. Reports have repeatedly surfaced in recent months that soldiers in the Russian army have had to stock up on helmets, bulletproof vests or bandages at their own expense.

The provision of warm clothing is a central problem for Russian troops in view of the winter, says Berni. This is also likely to have a strong influence on the discontent among Russian soldiers, which has been rising for months, Masala confirms. "When soldiers are in the trenches for ten hours a day and their clothes don't keep them warm, it becomes uncomfortable. Morale will then drop."

Ukraine has fewer problems with equipping its soldiers - not least because of Western support. Strong emphasis has been placed among NATO member states on providing Ukraine with adequate equipment, even in winter, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said in October. In addition to warm clothing and generators, tents in which soldiers could seek shelter from the elements were essential, Stoltenberg explained.

Numerous NATO member states, including the U.S., France, Germany and Canada, have since announced they will support Ukraine with winter jackets, thermal underwear, shoes and tents. How much of the announced supplies have arrived in Ukraine remains unclear. Some member states are also training Ukrainian soldiers. While this continues to give Ukraine advantages on the battlefield, Carlo Masala sees significant disadvantages on the Russian side. The Russian mobilized are "cannon fodder," he said. "They can do nothing and bring nothing."

Given the massive support and promise of supplies, the Ukrainians will be more likely to rely on their equipment. That means they will be less likely to freeze. Ultimately, though, this material has to get to the front lines - so good logistics are also critical.

Factor IV: Logistics

A simple basic rule applies: In winter, you need more of everything. The need for fuel in particular is significantly higher. Crew and machines have to be kept warm. More spare parts are also needed because of wear and tear and the cold. Last but not least, soldiers in the field consume more energy, so they need more rations. Logistics is the lifeline for any army.

The Ukrainians know this and have used this fact to their advantage: For months now, they have been targeting Russian supply lines, logistics hubs and ammunition depots. They will probably stick to this "strategy of a thousand pinpricks" in the winter as well. The Himars multiple rocket launchers allow them to carry out these attacks very precisely.

"Himars has forced the Russians to decentralize their logistics," says Berni, a strategy expert. "It has made the already long supply routes even longer and more complex." Carlo Masala of Bundeswehr University also sees Russia at a disadvantage in this aspect: "Logistics has been the Russians' vulnerable point since day one. They haven't gotten a handle on that to this day."

The Russian occupiers are comparatively poorly positioned in the narrow strip of territory they still control in the southeast. In certain sections, there are only 75 kilometers between the front line and the sea coast. With the Himars missiles, which have a range of up to 80 kilometers, the Ukrainians can therefore operate deep into the occupied space and attack the supply lines. The majority of these run from east to west, i.e. parallel to the front line. This is because supplies from the south via Crimea remain severely limited - repair work on the damaged Kerch Bridge is likely to last until next summer.

For the huge logistical needs of both armies, a supply via rail would be essential. But the Russians can hardly use the Ukrainian rail system for their war, because there is no continuous connection from east to west - most rail lines run from south to north. Thus, they are heavily tied to the road. The Ukrainians, on the other hand, can rely on a wide network of train connections and place their logistics bases at a great distance from the front line.

It is true that Ukrainian train lines are also under attack. But the speed with which the state railroad company Ukrsalisnitsa repairs the rails is legendary in Ukraine. Although the company is officially silent on the matter, analysts assume that the Ukrainian army relies heavily on the railroads to supply its troops. However, it cannot completely dispense with the road. There, snowfall, ice and mud will make it much more difficult for trucks to move forward - but that applies to both sides.

Although the Ukrainians are in a much better position than the Russians in most respects, it is still an open question who is more likely to be able to take advantage of the changed conditions in winter. For example, Carlo Masala sees two possible scenarios: "If the Russians succeed in digging in defensive positions and dragging out the war, then the advantage is theirs. If they don't succeed, the Ukrainians have the advantage because with them the entire society is defending itself."

Marcel Berni sees it similarly. However, he says, "Overall, I rather trust Ukraine to use the winter strategically and tactically for its own advantage. The course of the war so far has shown that they are more shrewd than the Russians."
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Commander Wallace

11-25-22, 10:29 AM

^ As with all things, there is a silver lining of sorts. With the cold weather comes the hardening of the ground. That makes it easier to move wheeled and tracked vehicles without getting bogged down in the mud. This makes it easier to move trucks, support vehicles, tanks and rocket launchers and anti aircraft vehicles in and out of position to support the mobility of the Ukraine armed forces.

Skybird

11-25-22, 05:15 PM

They really should stop giving Putin steroids as cancer treatment.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133

Skybird

11-25-22, 05:24 PM

And Putler again today did what he is best in: being despicable. Der Tagesspiegel:
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On Friday, the head of the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin, met with the mothers of soldiers who had been killed or were currently fighting. At least that is the appearance. Because at least seven of the 17 women could be identified as officials and politicians loyal to the government. This is reported by opposition journalists of the medium "Mozhem Objasnit". Among them are:

Sharadat Aguewam from Chechnya, whose sons are fighting in the Ukraine war. One of them is the commander of a battalion, the other is the head of a police department in Chechnya. Their son Rustam several times referred to Chechen leader Roman Kadyrov as his brother
a Moscow deputy of the Kremlin's United Russia party
a senior member of the All-Russia Popular Front movement founded by Putin
Irina Tas-ool, head of the Department of Family, Youth and Sports in the administration of the Kaa-Khem district of the Republic of Tuva
Olesya Shigina, a director who makes Orthodox and patriotic films
a member of the People's Chamber of the metropolitan city of Orekhovo-Suyevo
an employee of a nationalist organization that collects relief supplies for mobilized people

Whether the other women actually have soldier sons is questionable. Representatives of the Union of Committees of Soldiers' Mothers were not invited, nor was the "Council of Mothers and Wives." The founder of the Council, Olga Tsukanova, insinuated that they were in the "sham mothers".

Russian state media published a video showing Putin receiving more than a dozen selected women at his residence in Novo-Ogaryovo in the Moscow region and handing them coffee cups. "I want you to know that we share this pain with you, and of course we will do everything we can to make sure you don't feel forgotten," Putin said at the meeting, according to the Interfax agency.
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Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lügt sich's gänzlich ungeniert.

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 05:38 AM

Putin faces missile crisis as Russian army may only have enough ammunition to last a month

Vladimir Putin has used up almost two-thirds of Russia's ammunition reserves, a senior military intelligence analyst has claimed - enough for another month. Meanwhile, the UK's Ministry of Defence (MoD) likewise said the evidence demonstrated Russia's stocks were "depleted".

Speaking to the country's public broadcaster ERR yesterday, Margo Grosberg, head of Estonian military intelligence, told Estonian public broadcaster ERR: "The Russian Federation has used up about two-thirds of the ammunition it has, or slightly less than that."

Mr Grosberg said the shortages explained why Russian troops were having to fall back, saying: "For limited operations and with economical use of ammunition, Russia will have enough for about a month." Russia is now stockpiling ammunition in order to renew its offensive in the spring of next year, Mr Grosberg said.

Moscow was also trying to buy missiles and drones from Iran and North Korea, and was exporting ammunition from Belarus, Mr Grosberg said.

In its latest update on its DefenceHQ Twitter feed, the MoD said Russia's use of ageing cruise missiles with the nuclear warheads removed "highlights the level of depletion in Russia's stock of long-range missiles".

Also yesterday, CNN reported that Iran had agreed to supply Russia with 1,000 short-range surface-to-surface ballistic missiles for use in Ukraine.

A report published by the 38 North website earlier this month highlighted the first traffic from North Korea to Russia in several years.

Authors Martyn Williams and Peter Makowsky wrote: "It is impossible to determine the purpose of the train from the imagery, but the crossing comes amid reports of arms sales from North Korea to Russia and a general expectation of the resumption of trade between the two countries."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-faces-missile-crisis-as-russian-army-may-only-have-enough-ammunition-to-last-a-month/ar-AA14zyQP?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=3dcec73a461b4830819f1f7023b6c507

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 05:49 AM

Western sanctions catch up with Russia’s wartime economy

Story by Catherine Belton, Robyn Dixon.

When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched last month a new council for coordinating supplies for the Russian army, he seemed to recognize the scale of the economic problems facing the country, and his sense of urgency was palpable.

“We have to be faster in deciding questions connected to supplying the special military operation and countering restrictions on the economy which, without any exaggeration, are truly unprecedented,” he said.

For months, Putin claimed that the “economic blitzkrieg” against Russia had failed, but Western sanctions imposed over the invasion of Ukraine are digging ever deeper into Russia’s economy, exacerbating equipment shortages for its army and hampering its ability to launch any new ground offensive or build new missiles, economists and Russian businessmen said.

Recent figures show the situation has worsened considerably since the summer when, buoyed by a steady stream of oil and gas revenue, the Russian economy seemed to stabilize. Figures released by the Finance Ministry last week show a key economic indicator — tax revenue from the non-oil and gas sector — fell 20 percent year in October compared to a year earlier, while the Russian state statistics agency Rosstat reported that retail sales fell 10 percent year on year in September, and cargo turnover fell 7 percent.

“All objective indicators show there is a very strong drop in economic activity,” said Vladimir Milov, a former Russian deputy energy minister who is now a leading opposition politician in exile. “The spiral is escalating, and there is no way out of this now.”

The Western ban on technology imports is affecting most sectors of the economy, while the Kremlin’s forced mobilization of more than 300,000 Russian conscripts to serve in Ukraine, combined with the departure of at least as many abroad fleeing the draft, has dealt a further blow, economists said. In addition, Putin’s own restrictions on gas supplies to Europe, followed by the unexplained explosion of the Nord Stream gas pipeline, has led to a sharp drop in gas production — down 20 percent in October compared to the previous year. Meanwhile, oil sales to Europe are plummeting ahead of the European Union embargo expected to be imposed Dec. 5.

The Kremlin has trumpeted a lower-than-expected decline in GDP, forecast by the International Monetary Fund at only 3.5 percent this year, as demonstrating that the Russian economy can weather the raft of draconian sanctions.

But economists and businessmen said the headline GDP figures did not reflect the real state of the Russian economy because the Russian government effectively ended the ruble’s convertibility since the sanctions were imposed. “GDP stopped having any meaning because firstly we don’t know what the real ruble rate is, and secondly if you produce a tank and send it to the front where it is immediately blown up, then it is still considered as value added,” said Milov, who wrote a report explaining the situation for the Wilfried Martens Centre for European Studies published this month.

Deeper problems were also lurking in the Russian banking sector where most accounting has been classified. The Russian Central Bank reported this week that a record $14.7 billion in hard currency was withdrawn from the Russian banking system in October, amid increasing anxiety over mobilization and the state of the economy.

Even so, a November report by the Central Bank warned that Russia’s GDP would face a sharper contraction of 7.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2022, after falling 4.1 percent and 4 percent compared to last year in the previous two quarters. Last week, as the Russian economy officially entered into recession, Central Bank chairwoman Elvira Nabiullina told lawmakers that next year the situation could get darker still. “We really need to look at the situation very soberly and with our eyes open. Things may get worse, we understand that,” she said.

Putin’s announcement in September of a partial troop mobilization dealt an enormous blow to business sentiment. “For many Russian companies the reality of the war sank in,” said Janis Kluge, senior associate at the German Institute for Security and International Affairs. “It became clear that this is going to continue for a long time. Now expectations are much worse than they were over the summer.”

Putin’s creation of the coordination council, headed by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, was a sign the Russian president is rattled by the increasing impact of sanctions, economists and analysts said. Putin “is concerned he needs to interfere to make sure supplies will be available,” said Sergei Guriev, provost at France’s Sciences Po. “He is concerned that sanctions have really hit the ability to produce goods.”

It also signals the Russian government is preparing a broader mobilization of the Russian economy to supply the army amid chronic shortages of basic goods such as food and uniforms. A series of new laws will impose hefty fines on businessman who refuse to carry out orders for the Russian military as well as potential prison sentences, clearing the way for entrepreneurs to be pressured into providing goods at knockdown prices. The creation of the council is “connected to big pressure on business and the need to enforce a tough diktat to make business do what it doesn’t want to do,” said Nikolai Petrov, senior research fellow for Russia and Eurasia at Chatham House in London.

One Moscow businessman with connections to the defense sector said a quiet mobilization of the Russian economy had already been long underway, with many entrepreneurs forced into producing supplies for the Russian army but fearing to speak out against orders at cut-price rates.

“This became necessary right from the very beginning when the war began,” the businessman said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal. “The main mass of business is silent. If you say you are making supplies or weapons for the Russian state then you could have problems abroad.”

Anecdotal evidence reported in the Russian press has pointed to enormous problems supplying Russia’s newly drafted conscripts with equipment. An in-depth October report in Russian daily Kommersant described huge shortages in ammunition and uniform supplies for conscripts with manufacturers citing difficulties securing the necessary materials due to sanctions.

Other Russian businessmen said Russia’s military debacle in Ukraine had exposed the huge inefficiencies and corruption in Russia’s military industrial complex. “There are huge questions over where all the trillions of rubles of the past decade have been spent,” said one former senior Russian banker with connections to the Russian state.”

If the new economic council fails to better coordinate the production of supplies and weaponry, it could impinge on Russia’s ability to launch new offensives in Ukraine, Petrov said. “The main problem ahead of the Kremlin is the question of when the army will be ready to begin new military action in Ukraine, and the preparation of arms and ammunition and so on will determine these plans.”

The outlook appears likely to worsen when the E.U. embargo on Russian oil sales comes into force Dec. 5, economists said. Combined with a price cap expected to be imposed on all sales of Russian oil outside the E.U., the measure could cost the Russian budget at least $120 million in lost revenue per day, Milov said, and already the Russian budget is expected to rack up a deficit by the end of this year.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/western-sanctions-catch-up-with-russia-s-wartime-economy/ar-AA14zAYn?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=8ce89295b3724030af9983e05bc03026

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 06:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxweeLJkw9M

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 06:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U91cWpnmkL0

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 07:10 AM

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 86,710 people, 2,901 tanks, 1,896 artillery systems, 5,848 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian invaders, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of November 26, the loss of enemy personnel is approximately 86,710 people.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from February 24 to November 26 are estimated to be:

personnel - about 86,710 (+560) people were liquidated,

tanks ‒ 2901 (+2) units,

armored fighting vehicles ‒ 5848 (+4) units,

artillery systems – 1,896 (+1) units,

RSZV – 395 (+0) units,

air defense equipment ‒ 209 (+0) units,

aircraft – 278 (+0) units,

helicopters – 261 (+0) units,

UAVs of operational-tactical level - 1554 (+1),

cruise missiles ‒ 531 (+0),

ships/boats ‒ 16 (+0) units,

automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4406 (+2) units,

special equipment ‒ 163 (+0).

"The data is being verified," the message reads. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383096

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 07:15 AM

Russians bombard Ukraine with nuclear missile blanks from nuclear missiles to distract air defense systems - British intelligence

Russia is removing nuclear warheads from aging nuclear cruise missiles and firing blanks at Ukraine. The purpose of these actions is to distract the air defense system.

Such a conclusion was reached by the intelligence of Great Britain, Censor.NET reports with reference to the Twitter of the British Ministry of Defense.

As emphasized in the summary, the images from open sources show the wreckage of an apparently downed AS-15 KENT air-launched cruise missile, developed in the 1980s exclusively as a nuclear delivery system. The warhead was probably replaced by ballast.

According to British intelligence, while such an inert system would still cause some damage from the missile's kinetic energy and any unspent fuel, it was unlikely to reliably engage targets.

"Russia almost certainly hopes that such missiles will serve as false targets and distract the Ukrainian air defense system. Whatever Russia's intentions are, this improvisation emphasizes the level of depletion of Russia's long-range missile reserves," the British Ministry of Defense notes. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383099

Canada allocated $7.6 million for generators for Ukraine

The Canadian government has allocated 10 million Canadian dollars (about 7.6 million US dollars) for the purchase of generators for Ukraine.

This was announced by Canada's Minister of International Development Harjit Sajjan, Censor.NET informs.

"We have allocated $10 million to the International Organization for Migration to purchase and distribute generators for critical infrastructure in Ukraine," he tweeted.

Sajan emphasized that millions of civilians in Ukraine are without electricity today. "While Putin continues his reckless attacks on innocent people, our determination to help Ukraine only strengthens," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383101

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 07:47 AM

Beijing in response to words about genocide of Ukrainians by Russians: We are for dialogue

In response to the call to provide aid to Ukraine and appeal to Putin to stop destroying civilian infrastructure, China calls on Ukraine to engage in dialogue with the Russian Federation.

A dialogue on this topic was held between foreign journalists and Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning, Censor.NET reports with reference to Liga.net.

The Reuters journalist reminded her that tens of millions of people throughout Ukraine live without electricity and heating in winter due to the war crimes of the Russian terrorist country - missile strikes on the energy system, and asked - what about China, where is its reaction?

The representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China replied traditionally: "China's position on the Ukrainian issue is consistent and clear."

"We always take seriously the humanitarian situation in Ukraine and believe that the immediate priority is to de-escalate tensions as soon as possible through dialogue and negotiations. This is a fundamental way out of the Ukrainian issue," she said.

The spokeswoman of the Chinese agency added - "we hope that the international community will play a constructive role in easing tensions and finding a political solution to the crisis, which China is doing."

In principle, China does not call the biggest war in Europe for many decades a war, but uses the term "Ukrainian crisis", which is consistent with Russian propaganda. Official Beijing has not condemned either the aggression of the Russian Federation or any of the numerous war crimes committed by its army: all this is simply ignored in the state position and information space of the PRC. Sometimes the speakers of the People's Republic of China blame the start of the Russian war on the destruction of Ukraine and its people by the USA and NATO - that is, they do what Moscow does. Meanwhile, according to known information, China does not provide military assistance to the Russian Federation in this war. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383111

Biden: We honor memory of victims of Holodomor and bow to brave Ukrainian people

On the ninetieth anniversary of the beginning of the Holodomor of 1932-1933 in Ukraine, the United States honors the memory of the victims of the Great Famine and pays tribute to the resilience and courage of the Ukrainian people.

This is stated in the statement of President Joe Biden published on the website of the White House, Censor.NET reports.

"We honor all those who died in this senseless tragedy and pay tribute to the resilience of the Ukrainian people who endured devastation and tyranny to ultimately create a free and democratic society," the statement said.

The White House noted that Joseph Stalin's regime imposed harsh and repressive policies on Ukraine, creating a deliberate famine in 1932-1933 that killed millions of innocent Ukrainian women, men and children.

"November marks the (90s - ed.) anniversary of the Holodomor - "starvation". And despite the fact that the brave Ukrainian people continue to defend their democracy and freedom from Russia's brutal aggression, we pause to also honor the victims of past injustices and horrors inflicted on Ukraine," the US president said.

"This month, we remember the victims of the Holodomor. We reaffirm our steadfast commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. And we honor the brave Ukrainian people who continue to courageously resist Russia's attack on their democracy," Biden's statement emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383143

Lavrov said that "people of Ukraine will be freed from neo-Nazi rulers"

The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Serhiy Lavrov, voiced another version of the Russian vision of the future of Ukraine.

He said this on the air of the Russian state television channel "Russia 24", Censor.NET reports with reference to Russian media.

"The Ukrainian people will be freed from the neo-Nazi rulers, they deserve to live in good neighborliness, friendship, and prosperity alongside their Slavic brothers," Lavrov said on the air of the Russia 24 TV channel.

Previously, Russian officials repeatedly changed their rhetoric regarding their plans in Ukraine.

On November 21, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, Dmytro Peskov, stated that Russia does not seek to change the government in Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383116

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 12:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f8UbBmb0Eg

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 12:47 PM

Russians are preparing to take 10.5 thousand Ukrainian children from Luhansk region, - Center of National Resistance

The Russian occupiers are trying to organize the deportation of children from the Luhansk region to Russia.

As Censor.NET informs, this was reported in the Center of National Resistance.

"The Russian occupation administration in the temporarily occupied territory of Luhansk region reported that in-depth medical examinations were conducted for 15,000 children from 2 to 17 years of age.

Doctors imported from Russia noted in the examination documents that 70% of these children "need special medical care." It is with such a medical opinion that the Russians cover up the deportation of children to the territory of the Russian Federation.

First, they are placed in specialized health care facilities, then, for several contrived reasons, the children's return home is delayed to encourage the parents to come to the children, after which the families are forbidden to return to the territory of Ukraine."

For example, more than 1,500 people from the temporarily occupied territory of the Kherson region are already staying in the "Feya-3" boarding house in the city of Anapa, Krasnodar region, according to members of the underground.

Citizens of Ukraine are encouraged to apply for Russian passports and open bank accounts in the Russian Federation, supposedly for social assistance payments.

Also, the Russians have already delivered 6 mobile medical centers to the TOT of the Kherson Region. These are specialized trucks equipped for mobile diagnostic offices. The occupiers are trying to replace Ukrainians in the occupied territories with Russians as soon as possible.

The Central Committee of the People's Republic of Ukraine calls on the residents of TOT not to allow Russian doctors to examine Ukrainian children in order not to become victims of deportation.

"Protect the children from the meanness of the Russians, and if possible, leave the region. We will return home after the de-occupation!", the Center of National Resistance emphasizes. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383160

Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked Zmiiny Island with self-propelled guns "Caesar" on barges, - New York Times

The publication reports that Ukrainian troops have installed Caesar self-propelled guns with a 40-kilometer range to fire at Russian positions on Zmiiny Island.

The New York Times writes about it, Censor.NET reports.

According to the publication, the Armed Forces placed "Caesar" self-propelled guns on a barge and towed them 10 kilometers to inflict damage on an island 50 kilometers away.

Currently, there is no way to independently verify this information, Ukraine has not officially commented on it Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383169

Jimbuna

11-26-22, 01:01 PM

Completion of wind power plants will help make energy system more resistant to shelling, - Center for Economic Recovery

In order to increase the stability of the Ukrainian energy system in the face of Russian attacks, it is necessary to complete the construction of unfinished wind power plants.

This was reported by Kyrylo Kryvolap, advisor to the Prime Minister of Ukraine on public grounds and head of the Center for Economic Recovery, Censor.NET reports.

According to him, if there was distributed generation in Ukraine, it would make the energy system more resistant to enemy shelling.

"Currently, we have around seven companies completing wind farms, just distributed wind farms. And although the world has already abandoned incentive tariffs, in our country everyone who had time to complete them this year had to receive certain incentives from the state. It should probably be continued, we would have seven new wind farms," he said.

Kryvolap emphasized that if Ukraine has a maximally distributed power grid, then the Russians will not have enough missiles to disable Ukraine's generating capacity.

Also remind, that Maksym Bilyavsky, an expert on energy programs of the Razumkov Center, believes that the state's continuation of favorable conditions for the construction of "green" energy facilities, in particular wind power plants, will help improve the stability of the Ukrainian energy system.

According to the Ukrainian Wind Energy Association, energy companies can complete 300 to 500 MW of "green" energy capacity in the coming months, if the state provides them with an extension of the guaranteed support conditions for 1-2 years so that the companies have time to complete their facilities. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383176

Zelensky called on world to recognize Holodomor as genocide of Ukrainian people: "This will be sign of solidarity with Ukraine in these difficult times for it."

President Volodymyr Zelensky called on the world to recognize the Holodomor of 1932-33 as a genocide of the Ukrainian people, as more than 20 states have already done.

He stated this during the International Summit of the "Grain from Ukraine" initiative, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"Against the background of ongoing Russian aggression, it is no less important to recognize the Holodomor of 1932-33 as a genocide of the Ukrainian people. The USA, Canada, Australia, and Poland - a total of 17 countries - have already done this. And in 2022, Brazil and the Czech Republic will do it. The day before, I called on the states and international organizations that have not yet done so. On November 23, Romania adopted the relevant decision, on November 24 - Ireland, and on November 25 - Moldova. We call on others to join for the sake of this important historical truth," Zelensky said.

He emphasized that this will be a sign of solidarity with Ukraine in these difficult times for it.

"Today, Ukraine is holding a nationwide moment of silence. We will light a memorial candle in our windows and call on all countries and peoples to join, as proof that we all remember the past and are ready to build a different, just future together," the President said.

In conclusion, he invited everyone to Ukraine in a year for the next summit to evaluate joint efforts and outline further plans.

"We will be able to overcome all threats only unitedly. Only together will we be able to win and build a civilized world without war, without terrorism, without hunger," Zelensky concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383185

Luxembourg handed over six tactical-level drones to AFU

Luxembourg handed over six Czech-made Primoco One 150 drones to Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs, this was reported by the online defense magazine Army Recognition with reference to the Luxembourg Ministry of Defense.

The department informed the newspaper that the UAV was purchased as part of the military aid to the Armed Forces of Ukraine after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Primoco One 150 drones are designed and manufactured by the Czech company Primoco UAV. They are of medium size: length - 3.65 m, wingspan - 4.85 m, height - 1.25 m. The flight time of drones is up to 15 hours, the maximum range is up to 2000 km. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383188

They talked about European integration, confiscation of Russian money and "Grain from Ukraine" initiative - Shmyhal met with Belgian Prime Minister Croo

Prime Minister of Ukraine Denys Shmyhal during a meeting with Prime Minister Alexander de Croo discussed a number of issues, including the European and Euro-Atlantic integration of Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs, Shmyhal wrote about this on Facebook.

"During the meeting, we discussed the European and Euro-Atlantic integration of Ukraine, the use of frozen Russian assets for future recovery, and the issue of condemning Russia's crimes through the creation of a Special International Tribunal," Shmyhal said.

During the meeting, the parties also raised the issue of President Volodymyr Zelensky's #GrainforUkraine initiative. "We thank Belgium for joining the program," he said.

For his part, de Croo assured that Belgium will help Ukraine with equipment and demining and will advocate the demilitarization of the Zaporizhzhia NPP.

"I am grateful for this important and symbolic visit to Prime Minister Alexander de Croo, as well as to the entire Belgian people for their comprehensive assistance to our state," Shmyhal wrote.

Read more: Kremlin is creating artificial famine Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383190

Skybird

11-26-22, 03:12 PM

Holodomor remembrance day in Ukraine.

The war in the present is by far not the first attempt of the Russians to commit genocide against the Ukrainian people. Its as if history repeats itself.

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 06:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0omezldJAI

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 06:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz5FmQlIjYc

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 06:22 AM

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 87,310 people, 2,905 tanks, 1,897 artillery systems, 5,856 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of November 27, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 87,310.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02 to 27.11 are approximately:

personnel - about 87,310 (+600) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2905 (+4) units,
armored combat vehicles - 5856 (+8) units,
artillery systems - 1,897 (+1) units,
MLRS - 395 (+0) units,
air defense equipment - 209 (+0) units,
aircraft - 278 (+0) units,
helicopters - 261 (+0) units,
UAVs of the operational-tactical level - 1555 (+1),
cruise missiles - 531 (+0),
Warships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4412 (+6) units,
special equipment - 163 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383236

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 02:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG6jpzwn9Bk

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 02:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ld_kaBDbLQ

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 02:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXBv7ogajJc

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 02:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps8tQZr5hLE

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 03:07 PM

Russian attacks on energy grid amount to genocide, says Ukraine

By James FitzGerald
BBC News

Russia's attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure amount to genocide, a top Ukrainian official says.

Strikes on key facilities targeted "the full Ukrainian nation" and were an effort to force Kyiv to surrender, the prosecutor-general told the BBC.

The term genocide refers to an effort to wipe out a group of people. Russia denies having any such aim.

Millions of people across Ukraine are facing power cuts in freezing weather, following sustained Russian attacks.

Efforts are ongoing to reconnect homes cut off from electricity. Officials say Kherson has now been fully resupplied, following the city's recapture by Ukrainian troops earlier this month.

But people in 14 regions and the capital Kyiv remain under usage restrictions, according to President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Genocide involves "the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group", according to a definition provided by the UN Genocide Convention.

Among the acts which may qualify are killing or causing serious harm to members of that group - or forcibly transferring its children elsewhere.

In his BBC interview, Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Andriy Kostin said that, as well as the attacks on the energy grid, 11,000 Ukrainian children had been forcibly deported to Russia.

Mr Kostin said his office was investigating reports of more than 49,000 war crimes and crimes of aggression since Russia launched its full-scale invasion on 24 February.

The "same pattern of conduct" was being seen in every Ukrainian settlement occupied by Russian forces, he observed.

A war crime constitutes a violation of the so-called "rules" of war set out by international treaties including the Geneva Conventions.

Among other things, the Conventions stipulate that civilians must be protected. Russia has been repeatedly accused of breaking this rule.

Shelling of residential buildings in Dnipro over the weekend left one person dead and 13 others injured, according to the governor of the wider region.

Meanwhile, police said 32 civilians had been killed by strikes in Kherson since Russian troops left the southern city earlier this month.

On Saturday, Ukraine marked the 90th anniversary of the Holodomor - a man-made famine that killed millions of people during Soviet rule.

Of the war crimes seen since Russia invaded in February, Mr Kostin said 260 people had been indicted and 13 verdicts had been issued by Ukrainian courts.

He called for the creation of an "international ad-hoc tribunal", supported by countries of "the whole civilised world" who opposed the invasion to hold Russia to account.

In other developments, the head of Ukraine's state nuclear company Energoatom says there are signals Moscow's soldiers could be preparing to leave the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.

Both sides have accused each other of shelling the site - which was captured by the Russians in March - causing worries of a dangerous nuclear accident.

But Petro Kotin cautioned that there was no evidence of any Russian departure yet.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63773654

Jimbuna

11-27-22, 03:17 PM

7 ships with 248,000 tons of agricultural products for Asia and Europe left Odesa ports

As part of the "grain initiative", seven ships with agricultural products left Ukrainian ports.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine.

"Currently, 19 ships are being processed in the ports of Great Odesa. They are loading 740,000 tons of Ukrainian agricultural products. 4 ships are moving along the "grain corridor" to load 105,000 tons of agricultural products," the message says.

Since August 1, 501 ships left the ports of Great Odesa, which exported 12.2 million tons of Ukrainian food to the countries of Asia, Europe and Africa. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383322

Zelensky thanked Poland for supporting Ukraine: "This will mean victory over all tragedy and aggression brought to us by Russia.". VIDEO

The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, thanked the Polish authorities and the Polish people for supporting Kyiv in the light of Russian aggression.

He stated this in a joint video with Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, which the head of the Polish government posted on his Facebook page on Sunday, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"I am very grateful, Mr. Prime Minister, that you help us, that Poland supports us and that you are here today (in Kyiv - ed.)," said the President of Ukraine.

Zelensky noted that the Holodomor was a great tragedy, as a result of which about 5 million people died.

"And today our brothers and sisters are here, and of course, today this will mean victory over Russia, over anger, over all the tragedy and aggression that Russia has brought us. Thank you, Poland, thank you very much!" - emphasized Zelensky.

"Today, Russia brings death, hunger and hypothermia to the civilian population. We stand side by side with Ukrainian friends and partners and will always support you," the Head of the Government of the Republic of Poland emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/v3383318

Skybird

11-27-22, 03:55 PM

mapuc

11-27-22, 04:03 PM

It is rumoured that the sudden and surprising death of the Belarussian foreign minister was a Russian plot, and that the assassination is planned to prepare the way for Moscow overthrowing "president" Lukashenko and taking over Belarus, so that the country can be drawn into the war.

Been thinking almost the same when I read about his death-I was thinking
Is Russia behind this and would they use this false-flag operation to blame Ukraine for being behind the killing of Belarus foreign minister ?

Either way Russia want Belarus to enter the war on their side.

Markus

Skybird

11-27-22, 04:04 PM

^ Focus writes:
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After the unexplained death of the Belarusian foreign minister, suspicions are rising that there is more to Makei's death than just a tragic death. According to Anton Gerashenko,the advisor to the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, Gerashenko, there are already some rumors that he was poisoned. For background, Vladmir Makey was considered a possible successor to Lukashenko-and was not under Russian influence. But one sentence suggests something else behind the rumors. According to Gerashenko, Makej's presumed murder was a "finger pointing" at Lukashenko.

Even before Makej's death, the U.S. think tank "Robert Lansing Institute for Global Threats" reported on the Kremlin's possible plan. Citing sources in the Russian military leadership circle, it said that Putin had had enough of Belarusian President Lukashenko and had decided to take a radical step to force Belarus' entry into the war against Ukraine.

According to the report, Russian military intelligence (GRU) could try to either kill Lukashenko in an assassination attempt or imitate an assassination attempt in the coming days to intimidate the Belarusian president. That should animate him to order his troops to the side of the Russian army, according to sources at the U.S. think tank.

If Lukashenko were to survive and give in to Putin's will to war, he would be de facto deprived of power and part of the Kremlin's puppet game, the U.S. factory's analysis says. Should he perish in the assassination attempt, pro-Russia OKVS Secretary General Stanislav Zas would immediately take his place. Whether or not Lukashenko dies in the scenario, the U.S. and NATO are to be blamed.
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Catfish

11-27-22, 04:50 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Y4YlGc0l.jpg

mapuc

11-27-22, 05:02 PM

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 06:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abaf0RiRVI8

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 07:03 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suryzu62PWI

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 07:35 AM

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 87.9 thousand people, 2,908 tanks, 1,899 artillery systems, 5,861 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of November 28, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 87,900.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02 to 28.11 are approximately:

personnel - about 87,900 (+590) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2908 (+3) units,
armored combat vehicles - 5861 (+5) units,
artillery systems - 1,899 (+2) units,
MLRS - 395 (+0) units,
air defense equipment - 209 (+0) units,
aircraft - 278 (+0) units,
helicopters - 261 (+0) units,
UAV of operational-tactical level - 1555 (+0),
cruise missiles - 531 (+0),
Warships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4416 (+4) units,
special equipment - 163 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383392

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 08:03 AM

Information about "offensive from Belarus" is being spread by Russia to scare Ukrainians, - Defence Intelligence

The information that Belarus is allegedly preparing an offensive is spread especially.

Andrii Yusov, the representative of the Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine, informed about this, Censor.NET reports.

According to him, such fakes are profitable for Russia, this is how it tries to scare Ukrainians.

"Information and psychological special operations very often pursue several goals at the same time. And in this case, we see different goals, that is, on the one hand, to sow panic among the population, among Ukrainians, including residents of border regions and regions.
And to disorient the Ukrainian defense forces, disperse the forces, and transfer the forces from other directions. And also the object and goals of this special psychological information operation are Belarus itself and Belarusians, that is, incitement. To make it so that it sparks, and still involves Belarus itself in a full-scale war, which has never happened before," Yusov explained.

He emphasized that it is now very important to understand the goals of the enemy. You cannot give in to this kind of provocation.

"We are not talking about the fact that there is no threat from the Lukashenko regime. There is, and Lukashenko is helping Putin with weapons, ammunition, and armored vehicles. It provides its airspace for strikes on Ukraine, but today we cannot talk about the fact that a full-scale invasion will take place shortly and Belarus will be involved in a ground operation," concluded the representative of the Defence Intelligence. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383423

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 08:59 AM

NATO countries can provide new support to Ukraine, - AP

NATO foreign ministers meeting in Bucharest this week will pledge long-term support to Ukraine, which is defending itself against Russian air, missile and ground attacks.

As reported by Censor.NET with reference to the EP, AP writes about it.

At this meeting in Bucharest, NATO ministers are likely to make new promises regarding non-lethal support to Ukraine. It is about fuel, power generators, medicines, winter equipment, and anti-drone devices.

Individual members of the Alliance are also likely to announce new deliveries of military equipment to Ukraine - mainly air defense systems. NATO as an organization will not offer such supplies due to fears of involvement in a war with Russia.

But the ministers will also discuss how to support Ukraine in the more distant future.

"In the long term, we will help Ukraine move from Soviet-era equipment to modern NATO standards, doctrine, and training," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg commented before the meeting. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383427

Russia does not plan to leave ZNPP and Enerhodar, - Peskov

Putin’s spokesman, Dmytro Peskov, said that Russian troops do not plan to leave the territory of Zaporizhzhia NPP and Enerhodar.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the propaganda publication RIA Novosti.

"There is no need to look for signs where there are none and cannot be," he said.

Earlier it was reported that the Russian military may be preparing to withdraw from the territory of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383436

Enemy "Orlan" shot down near Bakhmut contains components produced in NATO countries. Russian Federation continues to obtain electronics for arming drones there, - Butusov. PHOTOS

Russia continues to obtain electronics from NATO countries to arm its drones.

Yurii Butusov, editor-in-chief of Censor.NET, writes about this on Facebook.

As noted, Ukrainian soldiers near Bakhmut shot down a Russian "Orlan"-type unmanned reconnaissance vehicle produced no earlier than August. When examining the wreckage, it became noticeable that the Russians continue to use components produced in NATO countries.

"This is a key element of the Russian "Orlan" - a four-element small-sized adaptive antenna array "Cometa-M", which allows the "Orlan" navigation system to operate in conditions of radio-electronic interference of satellite navigation satellite signals. If the Russians didn't have this block, it would actually be impossible to use the Orlan, because any EW constantly jammed the navigation system and the drone wouldn't be able to perform the task," the journalist writes.

"According to him, this "Comet-M" was manufactured in July 2022, it is unlikely that the Russian Federation has accumulated so many spare components, these are most likely new deliveries. This "Comet" uses components from American companies Altera/Intel, Taoglas, and Taiwanese Cirocomm.
The set is very similar to the similar equipment of Iranian Shahed drones. I hope that our allies will be able to reliably stop the supply of critical elements to the Russian Federation and Iran. And we need to develop our drone production program, we can get much better components and assemblies on world markets and in much larger quantities than the Russian Federation can do," Butusov adds. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3383444

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 09:17 AM

EU will help Ukraine survive winter in conditions of electricity shortage, - Borrell

EU leaders will discuss measures to further help Ukraine prepare for a winter of power shortages as Russian invaders continue to destroy Ukraine’s critical civilian infrastructure.

This was announced by EU High Representative Josep Borrell, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"He, Putin, continues to bomb Ukraine. Putin continues his attempts to turn Ukraine into a black hole - without light, without electricity, without heat - to condemn Ukrainians to darkness and cold. So we must continue our support, provide Ukraine with more materials to face this winter without electricity. This means many things, from electrical installations to anything you may need to survive this winter without electricity. It's hard to imagine, but that's exactly what happens. So today we have to look at the (Russian. - Ed.) war in Ukraine from the perspective of a humanitarian crisis," he said.

Borrell said that during the meeting, the ministers will consider the situation in Ukraine and Afghanistan, but the main focus of the discussion will be on the situation in Africa and the development of relations between the EU and the African Union. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383452

Heads of foreign affairs of Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, and Sweden arrived in Kyiv. PHOTOS

The foreign ministers of Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway and Sweden arrived in Kyiv.

This was reported by the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Latvia, Edgar Rinkevich, Censor.NET reports.

"The ministers of foreign affairs of the Northern Baltic countries are visiting Kyiv and meeting with the highest officials of Ukraine, this is the largest group of ministers who have visited Ukraine since the beginning of Russian aggression. The main question is how to further support Ukraine," the message reads. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383466

NATO does not have ban on transfer of heavy equipment to Ukraine, - Ambassador of Poland to Alliance, Shatkowski

There is no agreement in NATO that prohibits the transfer of modern tanks, missile defense/air defense systems and other heavy equipment to Ukraine.

As reported by Censor.NET with reference to LIGA.net, this was stated by Polish Ambassador to NATO Tomasz Szatkowski.

"In the public space, from public speakers in Berlin, we often heard in recent months that there is some kind of agreement between NATO members that, for example, heavy equipment should not be transferred, and then - that tanks should not be transferred, then - "maybe tanks and it is possible, but not of Western production"... This is absolutely false," the diplomat explained.

Also, "it was a surprise to assume", the ambassador noted, that it is the Alliance that should decide, and not Berlin alone, whether to give Patriot anti-aircraft batteries to the military of Ukraine.

Shatkowski recalled the words of NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who said that in some cases it is more important for the security of the member states of the Alliance to transfer equipment and ammunition to Ukraine than to accumulate them in their own warehouses.

Meanwhile, Shatkowski described the situation in NATO regarding military support to Ukraine as "Schrödinger's cat": "On the one hand, there is a discussion, it (help. - Ed.) is encouraged by the Secretary-General, and on the other hand there is a veto of some countries, opposition, and reluctance."

At the same time, the attitude of some countries towards the support of the Armed Forces is changing for the better, the ambassador noted, pointing out that "a positive transformation has taken place" with part of the allies in the south of Europe.

Shatkowski also noted that France, which is often criticized, is generally the only country, apart from Poland, that supplies the Armed Forces with entire artillery systems: "It means not only what shoots, but also the fire control system, effective ammunition." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383470

Council of Ministers of OSCE will meet for first time without representative of Russian Federation

The meeting should take place in the Polish city of Lodz on December 1 and 2.

As Censor.NET informs, this was announced by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba.

As he noted, the Council of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe will meet for the first time without the participation of a representative from Russia.

"And this is correct. There is nothing for him to do. They are only simulating negotiations. They are only simulating diplomacy. But in fact, they have made their choice: this choice is war and war crimes," the minister emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383484

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 10:53 AM

Several Patriot SAMs can cover large area of airspace, - Air Force

The Patriot anti-aircraft missile system is capable of hitting targets at a long distance. Only a few units of the system would already allow to close a large area of air space.

This was stated by the spokesman of the Air Force Command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Yurii Ihnat, on the air of the telethon, Censor.NET informs with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

As Ignat explained, there are currently several modifications of the long-range complex. The latest modification of the air defense system is also capable of hitting ballistic targets.

In general, the percentage of impression varies depending on the technical characteristics of the complex, for example:

- Patriot is able to shoot down targets at a distance of up to 150 km;

- Buk M1 - 40 km;

- IRIS-T - 40 km;

- NASAMS - 40 km;

- C300 - 75 km.

"Of course, if it is 150 km, then by placing those complexes at a certain distance from each other, it is possible to cover a rather large area of airspace with four installations," Ignat added.

According to the spokesman of the Air Force Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Patriot is an extremely modern and effective complex, whose radars are able to detect targets from the smallest to the largest extremely effectively. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383503

Patriot air defense systems, wherever they are located, must remain in integrated NATO system, - Bundeswehr

Germany believes that all of its Patriot air defense systems, wherever they are located, should remain in the integrated NATO system.

Defense Ministry representative Arno Kollats said this at a briefing on Monday in Berlin, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"There is a great interest in keeping these systems (Patriot - ed.) in the NATO system..." Kollats said.

He noted that the head of the department, Christine Lambrecht, has already made it clear that the Patriot systems are an integrated and integral part of NATO's defense, that this is Germany's contribution to the alliance's air defense system, that Germany must decide how to fulfill its obligations to introduce forces in the coming years rapid response. Therefore, Germany needs these systems also in order to be able to fulfill its obligations to its partners, the officer said.

He emphasized that Germany, having offered assistance to Poland, wants to help the ally protect its airspace from external threats - both with Patriot systems and with increased air patrols. "Both proposals remain in force," said the representative of the Ministry of Defense.

It will be recalled that Germany offered Poland Patriot systems to protect the airspace after missile strikes on the area bordering Ukraine. In response, Warsaw offered to place the Patriot in Ukraine near the border with Poland. It would be better for Poland's security, President Andrzej Duda said.

After that, a discussion took place, in which NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also joined. He said that the placement of air defense systems in Ukraine is possible, but Germany must decide on this. In this way, Stoltenberg denied the arguments of Minister Lambrecht, who initially referred to possible reservations from NATO. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383520

mapuc

11-28-22, 11:14 AM

It's not how far and how high these SAM goes-It's all about hit percentage.

Markus

Skybird

11-28-22, 11:27 AM

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 01:59 PM

^ Probably true but still possibly the best the Ukrainians will get.

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 02:02 PM

Pope Francis recognized Russia as aggressor of Ukraine: I do not name Putin, because it is already known

Pope Francis recognized Russia as an aggressor of Ukraine. I am not naming Putin because it is already known

One of the journalists' questions to the Pope concerned the war in Ukraine. Journalist Gerard O'Connell noted that for many people in the United States, it appears as if the Pope does not want to directly criticize Russia for its aggression against Ukraine, preferring instead to speak more generally about the need to end the war, to end mercenary activity, rather than Russian attacks, to end trade weapons, Censor.NET reports with reference to "Vatican News".

"How would you explain your position regarding this war to Ukrainians, Americans and others who support Ukraine?" he asked.

Here is what the Holy Father answered:

"When I talk about Ukraine, I talk about a martyr people, a martyred people. If there is a martyr people, then there is someone who tortures them. When I talk about Ukraine, I talk about cruelty, because I have a lot of information about the cruelty of the troops, who invade. In general, the most violent are probably those who are from Russia, but do not belong to the Russian tradition, for example, Chechens, Buryats and so on. Of course, the one who invades is the Russian state. This is quite understandable. Sometimes I I try not to be specific, so as not to offend, but rather to condemn in general, although it is well known who I am condemning. It is not necessary to indicate the name and surname.

On the second day of the war, I went to the Russian embassy [to the Holy See], an unusual gesture because the Pope never goes to the embassy. And there I told the ambassador to tell [Vladimir] Putin that I am ready to go on the condition that he gives me a window for negotiations. Foreign Minister [Serhiy] Lavrov sent me a formal reply, a polite letter, from which I understood that there was no need for this yet.

I twice [ed. - three times] spoke by phone with President Zelensky. In general, I work to obtain lists of prisoners, both civilian and military, and send them to the Russian government, and the response has always been very positive.

I was also thinking of making a trip, but I decided: if I make a trip, I will go to Moscow and Kyiv, to both, and not to one place. And I never gave an opportunity to think that I was covering up aggression. Here, in this hall, three or four times I received a delegation from Ukraine, from the government. And we work together.

Why don't I name Putin? Because it is not necessary; this is already known. However, sometimes people get hung up on a detail. Everyone knows my position, with Putin or without Putin, without mentioning his name.

Some cardinals went to Ukraine: Cardinal Cherny went twice; [Archbishop] Gallagher, who is responsible for [relations with] states, spent four days in Ukraine, and I received a report of what he saw; and Cardinal Krajewski traveled four times. He drives his van loaded with things and spent a week in Ukraine last Holy Week. Thus, the presence of the Holy See through the cardinals is very strong and I am in constant contact with people in positions of responsibility.

And I want to note that these days are the anniversary of the Holodomor, the genocide that Stalin committed against Ukrainians (in 1932-33). I think it's appropriate to mention it as a historical precursor to the [current] war." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383545

August

11-28-22, 02:18 PM

The various versions of Patriot are not beyond reproach, and have drawn criticism for embellished statistics on their hit probability and effectiveness during the Gulf War. It is difficult to assess which Patriot defense data are credible and which are more or less embellished statistics.

Its probably not bad, but I take it that it is in no way as superior as it is often described to be.

The Gulf war was fought over 30 years ago and there have been dozens of upgrades since then. Any contemporary criticisms of published statistics would be long out of date.

Jimbuna

11-28-22, 02:26 PM

Kaczynski insists on transfer of Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine: "Germany will not dare to shoot down Russian missiles"

The head of Poland’s ruling Law and Justice (PIS) party, Jarosaw Kaczyski, believes that Germany will not dare to shoot down Russian missiles and insists on the transfer of Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine.

The politician's statement is quoted by Rzeczpospolita, Censor.NET reports with reference to LigaBusinessInform.

According to him, Patriots will be useful in war, but only where they will be used. He noted that Germany's position today does not give reason to believe that it would dare to shoot down Russian missiles.

Kaczyński said that placing air defense systems in the western regions of Ukraine would make it possible to protect Poland, as well as the infrastructure and citizens of Ukraine.

"Hence this proposal, which seems at least worthy of consideration by the Germans. If they want to give a weapon that is quite old, but still modern, then it should be used, it should not stand," he said.

The PIS leader believes that the proposal to transfer Patriot to Ukraine will be the most rational.

"The rockets that are here for beauty are a solution that can have aesthetic advantages. There are no military or political ones," Kaczynski summarized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383548

Skybird

11-28-22, 03:27 PM

The Ukraine and the Poles want to bring NATO into the war, lets not forget that.

Currently there is no sign in Germany that the Germans could be willing to send their Patriot battery directly to Ukraine.

Which is even understandable if you consider what I have posted about the German forces' ammo status in the Germany thread: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2839892&postcount=1766

Germany is naked, has no ammo. A week ago or so I read that some BW source confirmed they have enough ammo for TWO DAYS of combat action at the intensity seen in Ukraine. And as things stand I predict this will not change significantly in coming years.

mapuc

11-28-22, 03:33 PM

Dargo

11-28-22, 04:08 PM

Dargo

11-28-22, 04:37 PM

A student allegedly recently discharged from the Russian army in Ukraine says he was sent out with an old rifle. He also allegedly had to share his food and sleeping bag with other soldiers. Speaking to Reuters news agency, the boy says he was called up to fight in the Donetsk region, in eastern Ukraine, just before the invasion began.

"There were not enough sleeping bags for everyone, you could only cover yourself with a raincoat. We did eventually manage to cram two or three people into a sleeping bag to stay warm," said the boy. The rations were not enough for everyone at first, but later there was enough, he says.

Putin ordered this month that students must end their service, Reuters reports. Their intention would be to continue their studies. With the return of dozens of young men, that now seems to be heeded. The group was first honored today at a ceremony in the occupied Ukrainian city of Starobesheve, and then were reportedly sent home.

Skybird

11-28-22, 05:22 PM

Throughout my search for how good Patriot is I came to a section where it ask google

Which is the most advanced air Defence system? The answer was Iris-T

Which is the most advanced longrange air defence system ?The answer was Barak – 8 or MR-SAM.

Markus
Only the Barak 8 ER qualifies as a long range air intercept missile (I think it was either 120 or 160km). The normal version of Barak-8 is only 30 or 40km. Its Israeli-Indian.

The German Iris-T SL(M) indeed is probably the most advanced short range SAM currently, a variant of a weapon developed as armament for the Eurofighter (an AA missle, therefore), and Ukraine reports hit rates of almost 100% against all target classes it was used on so far: planes, helicopter, drones. Perfect for point defence, but not strategic air space defence, therefore. A successor of the missile is already in development (LFK-NG), basing on the Iris-design, however.

mapuc

11-28-22, 05:39 PM

Iris-T is kind of not new to me.

As you wrote they were a part of Eurofighter as AA missile short range

The basic armament for JAS39 Gripen(Griffin) is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen#Equipment_and_armaments

Markus

mapuc

11-28-22, 06:41 PM

August

11-28-22, 08:46 PM

If I removed every friend on FB who is picking on Zelenskyj I would have almost zero Danish and Swedish friends.

Not only are they picking on Zelenskyj they are also expert in psychology they say Zelenskyj are showing psychopathic features

Makes me wonder they can put a diagnose on Zelenskyj, but can't make a diagnose on Putin.

Markus

I have noticed the same thing over here Markus.

I have to wonder where all the extreme hate for this guy originates. Nobody I talk to can ever give me a reason that even approaches reality. Most involve some sort of character complaint, that he's crooked "Probably stole all of the money we have sent them", or he's just "a pretty boy actor who poses for magazine covers" when (apparently to them) he can not be a truly legit national leader unless he and his wife lived in a foxhole on the front lines. :doh:

The main thread in most of the anti-Zelenskis complaints seems to be that he and his wife are just in it for themselves, I have seen little or no actual evidence of this, but regardless his haters just refuse to acknowledge that Zelenski now walks around with an enormous target on his back.

If Ukraine looses this war Zelenski is a dead man, probably his family as well. Even if they win he will still be in danger, because by resisting he has now pissed off the most powerful man on the European continent, one that wants him eliminated and has a history of getting revenge on a cold dish. The haters refuse to understand that Zelenski could have easily run with the money way back when Russia first attacked and avoided that fate. Instead he doesn't abandon his people and he stays in country ducking air raids and bombs (and in his case hit squads) like everyone else. Doesn't sound very self serving to me.

Bidens support for Ukraine is about the one thing he is doing right in my eyes, and I sometimes wonder if because it's his admin doing it, that is the real reason that some of us over here favor letting a nation of 44 million people become enslaved by the Russians. Leaving them subject to the ethnic cleansing and genocide that we all know will happen if Putin and company manage to take control over the country.

This isn't Afghanistan or Vietnam where we are the ones doing the fighting and dying for someone else's cause. The Ukrainians are doing their own fighting and dying and it's not for some esoteric political or social cause that we foisted upon them but their own national survival.

There is nothing wrong or improper in giving a free people the means to continue resisting brutal aggression from a powerful and ruthless neighbor. It's less than France and Holland did for us in our own Revolutionary War.

Commander Wallace

11-28-22, 10:18 PM

^ @ August @ Markus. I read what you and Markus had to say on Zelensky. To be blunt, the complainers or those who malign Zelensky are those who can't think for themselves. They are like the woman in Florida in the thread that Platapus posted. People like this aren't happy unless they are complaining or whining about something.

People should keep in mind, Zelensky was in show business as a comedian. This comedian rallied his country and countrymen to fend off attacks by what on paper is a superior force. This reminds me of the saying. It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog that is fighting. In my humble opinion, the tactics and strategy utilized by the Ukraine will be analyzed for many years on how to fight a " superior " force. I think Zelensky has done an awesome job.

As you said, Zelensky has his rear end on the line as our fore fathers did in fighting for American independence and for the ideals we still hold as the backbone of our Republic. I see a lot of similarities in the nature of ours and the Ukraine's struggles. I also see many similarities in the character and fortitude in the founders of our Republic and those leading the Ukraine and fighting everyday for their country and it's freedom.

Edit. If the complainers or those who malign Zelensky don't like things or have a better idea, they need to be handed a rifle and directed to the front. That way, they can show us their better ideas.

August

11-28-22, 10:39 PM

I'm impressed by their will to fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-BsJq1gTs& (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-BsJq1gTs&t=336s)

Commander Wallace

11-28-22, 10:45 PM

I'm impressed by their will to fight.

Would we as Americans do any less if our country or loved ones were at risk or in danger ? Count me as also impressed with the resolve of the Ukraine people and armed forces.

August

11-28-22, 11:18 PM

Would we as Americans do any less if our country or loved ones were at risk or in danger ? Count me as also impressed with the resolve of the Ukraine people and armed forces.

:up:

nikimcbee

11-29-22, 01:09 AM

I'm impressed by their will to fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-BsJq1gTs& (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-BsJq1gTs&t=336s)

Interesting video.:Kaleun_Salute: I was wondering, how many snipers were lurking around, whilst they filmed that? the reporter needs to upgrade her camo from blue to tan.

Skybird

11-29-22, 06:13 AM

Count me as also impressed with the resolve of the Ukraine people and armed forces.
Oh yes. Yes, yes, yes.

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 06:54 AM

Russia's Vladimir Putin is using winter as a weapon of war in Ukraine, Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg says.

Moscow is increasing "waves of brutality", he says, ahead of a meeting of Nato foreign ministers in Bucharest.

The defence alliance has promised unwavering support to Ukraine as Russia continues to target Ukraine's infrastructure.

Meanwhile, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has condemned Russia's strikes on the recently liberated Kherson region.

Over recent weeks Russia has launched extensive attacks that have left Ukrainians without water and electricity supplies.

Ukraine's First Lady Olena Zelenska is visiting the UK and is due to address MPs later.

Speaking to the BBC, she says the British people should not forget the "tragedy" of the Russian invasion during the festive season.

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 06:57 AM

G7 justice ministers to discuss war crimes in Ukraine

Separate from the meeting of Nato foreign ministers, justice ministers from the G7 group of wealthy democracies are meeting in Germany this morning to discuss how best to investigate war crimes in Ukraine.

The meeting will discuss ways to "coordinate investigation of core crimes under international criminal law" more effectively, in light of the Russian invasion, according to the G7.

Justice ministers from the US, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Italy and Canada are set to be be joined by their Ukrainian counterpart Denys Maliuska and the country's prosecutor general Andriy Kostin.

Ahead of the meeting, Maliuska called for a "compensation mechanism", as "Russia must pay the Ukrainian people for the damage it caused in this war".

He said the costs amount to about $150bn (£125bn) - not even including the damage to Ukraine's economy, or to the wounded and the families of victims who have been killed.

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 07:01 AM

Russia hits out as Pope labels minority ethnic soldiers 'cruel'

Russia has hit out at comments from the Pope that some minority groups of soldiers have behaved worse than others in the invasion of Ukraine.

The "cruellest" troops are generally Chechens and Buryats, Pope Francis told a US magazine.

He also labelled the Holodomor famine caused by the Kremlin in Ukraine in the 1930s a genocide.

Russia called the remarks a "perversion", and said national groups were "one family".

In an interview with America, a Jesuit magazine, Pope Francis was asked about his apparent reluctance to directly condemn Russia for the war.

In response he said he received "much information about the cruelty of the troops".

"Generally, the cruellest are perhaps those who are of Russia but are not of the Russian tradition, such as the Chechens, the Buryats and so on," he said.

The Pope added that "the one who invades is the Russian state".

Chechens, an ethnic group originating in Chechnya, in the south-west of Russia, are mostly Muslim.

Buryats, a Mongol ethnic group indigenous to Buryatia, in eastern Siberia, traditionally follow Buddhist and shamanic belief systems.

Russia contains many republics with distinct ethnic and religious groups. The majority religion is Orthodox Christianity.

The Pope said he had spoken to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky several times by phone, and communicated with Russian President Vladimir Putin through the ambassador to the Holy See.

In apparent response to accusations of not directly condemning President Putin, he said: "Sometimes I try not to specify so as not to offend and rather condemn in general, although it is well known whom I am condemning. It is not necessary that I put a name and surname."

Later in the interview the Pope added: "Everyone knows my stance, with Putin or without Putin, without naming him."

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova condemned the comments, state-controlled news outlet RT reports.

"This is no longer Russophobia, it's a perversion on a level I can't even name," she said.

"We are one family with Buryats, Chechens and other representatives of our multinational and multi-confessional country," Ms Zakharova later wrote on Telegram.

Pope Francis also said he wanted to mark the anniversary of the Holodomor, calling it a genocide and a "historical antecedent" of the current conflict.

As many as four million Ukrainians died in this famine in 1932-33, caused by the collectivisation of farms under Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63789475

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 07:34 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2KQBcSzG6I

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 07:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL7six9nIq8

Skybird

11-29-22, 08:17 AM

A bit misplaced here, but nevertheless I post it here to not open a new thread, and indirectly it is linked to the Ukraine war. Sweden, and Turkey:

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20221128-we-humiliated-ourselves-sweden-s-bid-to-join-nato-meets-continued-resistance-from-turkey

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 08:31 AM

US could send Ukraine new bombs with twice the range of Himars

The US could send Ukraine cheap new precision bombs capable of hitting targets 100 miles away, allowing Kyiv to strike targets deep behind Russian lines.

The Pentagon is considering a proposal by Boeing to send the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) system as the West struggles to meet Ukraine's demand for more arms.

The weapons, which are relatively quick and cheap to produce, have about twice the range of standard Himars missiles and could be deployed in Ukraine as early as next spring, according to a document seen by Reuters.

While Washington has declined requests for the ATACMS missile, which has a range of 185 miles, the GLSDBs would still allow Ukraine to hit valuable military targets that have hitherto been out of reach.

The small, GPS-guided bombs are fitted onto abundantly available rockets that can be fired from Himars and M270 launchers, with fold-out wings to extend their range.

They are reportedly capable of hitting targets as small as 3ft across and can take out armoured vehicles and buildings.

With Western military inventories depleted due to the war in Ukraine, Boeing's proposal is one of roughly half a dozen plans for getting new munitions into production for Ukraine and Washington’s other European allies.

Doug Bush, the US Army's chief weapons buyer, said last week that the Army was also looking at accelerating production of munitions currently only manufactured at government facilities by allowing defence contractors to build them.

Mr Bush added that Russia's invasion of Ukraine drove up demand for American-made weapons and ammunition, not just from Kyiv.

US allies in Eastern Europe are "putting a lot of orders" in for a range of arms as they supply Ukraine, he said.

The GLSDB combines the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) with the M26 rocket motor, both of which are common in American inventories.

"It's about getting quantity at a cheap cost," said Tom Karako, a weapons and security expert at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies.

Mr Karako said concerns over depleting US stockpiles are behind the production rush. Current levels are "getting low relative to the levels we like to keep on hand," he said.

Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Tim Gorman declined to comment on the production of GLSDBs for Ukraine but said the US and its allies "identify and consider the most appropriate systems" that would help Kyiv.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-could-send-ukraine-new-bombs-with-twice-the-range-of-himars/ar-AA14F8R3?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=b93b70aca41e478296408213d7a3c95f

mapuc

11-29-22, 08:36 AM

les green01

11-29-22, 10:16 AM

As mentioned before-Is Erdogan helping Putin here ?

Markus

pretty much wouldn't be surpise if putin wasnt paying him under the table

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 12:09 PM

US is pushing EU to tougher stance on China, - FT

The U.S. is pushing European allies to take a tougher stance toward Beijing, trying to use its leadership in helping Ukraine to win more support from NATO nations in its efforts to counter China in the Indo-Pacific region.

FT writes about this, Censor.NET reports with reference to Zn.ua.

According to people briefed on talks between the US and its NATO allies, Washington has been lobbying the alliance members in recent weeks to step up their rhetoric on China and begin working on concrete actions to rein in Beijing.

US President Joe Biden identified countering China as his main foreign policy goal early in his tenure, but his efforts have been hampered by a focus on Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

However, even against the backdrop of the Russian Federation's war against Ukraine, Washington made a concerted effort to bring China back onto NATO's agenda, the publication's sources said.

According to them, the US is trying to use the actions it is taking on Ukraine - including being the largest supplier of arms and aid to Kyiv - to more specifically support its policy in the Indo-Pacific region.

"The movement on the part of the Americans in this matter has been noticeable. It is quite clear that they have decided that now is the time to move on," one of the interlocutors told the FT on condition of anonymity.

When asked about such a push, a senior US official noted that in June, NATO countries agreed on a new strategic concept aimed at addressing systemic challenges posed by China.

"Our conversations on these issues are ongoing," the official added.

Referring to the fact that 30 NATO allies approved the new concept at a summit in Madrid in June, a representative of the US State Department noted that the foreign ministers of the Alliance countries will consider ways to strengthen stability and respond to challenges from China at a meeting in Bucharest.

"We deeply appreciate and encourage a united European approach to China," the official added.

Coordination of NATO countries' approaches to China is high on the list of topics to be discussed at the two-day meeting of foreign ministers.

"What we have begun to do within NATO is to think about how the Alliance can respond to this challenge [from China] in concrete terms. Allies will seek to implement what they signed up to, to move from what we call assessment of the problem, before its solution," said US Ambassador to NATO Julianna Smith.

The heads of foreign affairs of the NATO countries will discuss a new report on China, designed to strengthen the position of the Alliance, which at the summit in June for the first time identified Beijing as a "challenge" to its "interests, security and values".

According to officials, the report will examine China's military development, its efforts to influence NATO and third countries, and Beijing's relationship with Moscow.

But many European allies worry that such discussions could distract from what they see as the more pressing need to cement unwavering support for Ukraine.

In addition, while the EU is also evaluating ways to strengthen its trade relations with China, a number of NATO countries, including Germany and France, are reluctant to fully align their position on Beijing with that of Washington.

"Let's put it this way, the United States has a certain tendency to be prescriptive, not just about China, but about everything. Are we going to be, say, completely isolated and in the middle between China and the United States? I don't think so," said a senior EU official. which suggested that Europe would eventually move closer to the US position.

While Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine has forced the White House to increase its commitment to European defense, the US has made clear that this is a temporary reprieve on the way to a long-term transition to countering China as its main strategic defense and security policy.

Last month, the Biden administration released its national security strategy, which made clear that China is a priority, even in the face of an "imminent and continuing" threat from Russia.

Canada recently announced its first Indo-Pacific strategy, outlining new spending to counter China's aggressive actions.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said last week that Beijing is "not an adversary," but stressed that the alliance must respond to China's military modernization, Beijing's cooperation with Russia and its attempts to "control critical infrastructure in Europe."

"So all this forces the allies to solve this issue together. And this is exactly what we will do when we meet in Bucharest," Stoltenberg emphasized.

China is not satisfied with the current system of the world order, where Western values and standards prevail, global institutions "subordinate to the USA" function. Beijing offers its own, according to its claims, a fairer alternative to the current US-dominated world order - "building a human society with a shared future." However, China's rhetoric does not always match its actions. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383706

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 12:12 PM

"In response to Russia’s aggression, NATO is increasing its presence from Baltic to Black Sea," - Stoltenberg

NATO is strengthening its presence from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

This was announced by Jens Stoltenberg, the Secretary General of the Alliance, Censor.NET reports.

"Today, at our meeting, we discussed security in the Black Sea region, which is of strategic importance for all of NATO. And the challenges created by Russia's illegal war in Ukraine.

In response to Russia's aggression, NATO is increasing its presence from the Baltic to the Black Sea. We have created new battle groups, including the one led by France here in Romania. Fighter jets from Canada also help keep your skies safe. And American Patriot missiles strengthen your defense," he said at a meeting with Romanian President Klaus Iohannis. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383708

Ministers of NATO countries will look for ways to integrate Ukraine into Alliance, - Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky

NATO foreign ministers meeting on November 29 in Bucharest will consider aid to Ukraine as winter approaches, given Russian attacks on critical infrastructure, and will look for ways to integrate Ukraine into the Alliance.

This was stated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic Jan Lipavsky before the start of the meeting of the North Atlantic Council, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"The topic of Ukraine will dominate during our debates. We have to demonstrate that our resolve is strengthening. We need to do everything so that Ukraine does not freeze in winter. Winter is coming, and we cannot allow Putin to turn it into a weapon," the government official said.

Answering journalists' questions about the validity of the decisions of the 2008 Bucharest Summit on Ukraine's future membership in NATO, he noted that this topic will be raised during the ministerial meeting.

"By definition, we intend to discuss this topic today. I hope that we will be able to reach at least a new approach to Ukraine's future membership in NATO, which I fully support," Lipavsky said.

As reported, on Tuesday, November 29, a two-day meeting of the foreign ministers of NATO countries begins in Bucharest, at which the allies will discuss the most important issues of Euro-Atlantic security. Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba will take part in the meeting. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383715

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 12:30 PM

Great Britain will increase support for Ukraine, will provide air defense systems, - Sunak

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak promised to maintain and increase military aid to Ukraine next year.

As Censor.NET informs with reference to "Euro integration", he said this in his speech at the banquet of the Lord Mayor of London.

"We will support Ukraine as long as necessary. Next year, we will maintain or even increase our military assistance. We will provide new support for air defense to protect the Ukrainian people and the critical infrastructure they rely on. By protecting Ukraine, we are protecting ourselves." , - said Sunak.

He called the actions of Russia and China the main challenges for Britain, and helping Ukraine is one of the ways to counter them.

"First, by supporting Ukraine, we are also strengthening our European relationship to address challenges such as security and illegal migration. Second, we are looking at China in a more long-term perspective, strengthening our resilience and protecting our economic security," said the British prime minister

Sunak emphasized the terrorist methods used by Russia in the war against Ukraine.

"In Kyiv, I saw how Russia's attention shifted from the bloody clashes on the battlefield to the brutal treatment of the civilian population. This was recorded in the destroyed buildings and piles of debris lying on the streets, in the stories of the first rescuers I met in liberated Kherson, from torture chambers to mine traps left in children's toys.
As the world gathers to watch the World Cup, I saw an explosive device hidden in a children's soccer ball - with the intention of turning it into a weapon of war," said the British prime minister.

Britain said in September that it was Ukraine's second-largest military donor after the United States, having provided 2.3 billion pounds ($2.8 billion) in aid this year.

It will be recalled that during his first visit to Kyiv on November 19, Sunak promised to strengthen the air defense of Ukraine with 125 anti-aircraft guns, and earlier in November they announced an additional 1,000 surface-to-air missiles.

SOURCE: HTTPS://CENSOR.NET/EN/N3383740

Europe must prepare for new wave of refugees from Ukraine, because Putin is using "winter as weapon in the war", - Stoltenberg

The NATO Secretary General has warned that Putin will continue attacks on Ukraine’s civilian infrastructure due to failures on the battlefield. And this will lead to a new wave of refugees from Ukraine to Europe.

Jens Stoltenberg said this in his speech before the start of a two-day meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Bucharest, the main topic of which is the war in Ukraine, Censor.NET informs with reference to the BBC.

The head of the alliance noted that Russia was forced to retreat from the territories around Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson, which, according to Stoltenberg, is "a sign of its weakness."

"Russia is defeated on the battlefield. In response, they attack civilian cities because they cannot conquer new territories of Ukraine, as well as avoid the gradual liberation of the occupied territories by the Ukrainian military," Stoltenberg said.

A new wave of refugees to Europe is possible due to Russia's massive missile attacks on Ukraine's energy infrastructure, Stoltenberg believes.

"The latest data show that from February 24 to September 22, more than 7.4 million refugees fled from Ukraine to Europe. But we must be prepared for the fact that more refugees will arrive in Europe," he explained.

According to Stoltenberg, Putin uses "winter as a weapon in war." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383749

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 12:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1nkGo10BA

Jimbuna

11-29-22, 01:29 PM

EU should be faster and create new package of sanctions against Russian Federation in near future - Estonian Foreign Minister Reinsalu

Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu commented on the work on the ninth package of sanctions against Russia, which is currently underway in the European Union.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Radio Liberty.

According to him, the Baltic countries have made their proposals to this package.

"They (proposals. - Ed.) affect the energy sector. Also - the financial sector, they also affect banks. We still have a large list of Russian banks that are not cut off from the SWIFT system," the minister said.

"And what is very important (we also emphasized this during the ongoing negotiations around the oil price cap) - the European Union should be faster and signal that this package of sanctions will be created in the near future," Reinsalu added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383764

There will be no peace in Europe if Ukraine does not restore sovereignty and territorial integrity, - Polish Foreign Minister Rau

Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau believes that Ukraine has the right to return all its territories within the 1991 borders.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to LIGA.net.

According to him, there will be no peace in Europe if Ukraine does not restore sovereignty and territorial integrity. He noted that NATO has no alternative but to jointly support Ukraine to the end.

"If this was not observed, then Russia would have won the biggest political victory, namely, it would have succeeded in dividing us," he said.

Rau is convinced that Ukraine has every right to return its territories within internationally recognized borders.

"NATO consistently pursues a policy of containment and strengthening of the eastern flank, including the zone of the Baltic states, Poland is in the first place here," the minister said.

He emphasized that Russia cannot achieve any success on the battlefield, so it attacks the energy infrastructure and thus wants to break the fighting spirit of Ukrainians. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3383772

mapuc

11-29-22, 01:45 PM

August

11-29-22, 02:23 PM

We are in late Jan. - 23 The winter is very harsh-The death toll here in Europe has reached 78.000 dead due to the very cold weather.

If such a scenario should happen-would our politician change their mind-If so in which direction-Peace under any circumstances or boots on the ground/no-fly zone ??

I know it's speculation

Markus

Forget no fly zones or boots on the ground. If our politicians do change their mind the only thing they can or would do is stop supporting Ukraine. If that happens peace will not come under any circumstances as the Ukrainians will continue to fight. They might loose eventually as they get ground down but they won't collapse like the Afghan army did. Blood will continue to be shed long after Russian troops start digging in on the Polish border.

mapuc

11-29-22, 02:36 PM

Forget no fly zones or boots on the ground. If our politicians do change their mind the only thing they can or would do is stop supporting Ukraine. If that happens peace will not come under any circumstances as the Ukrainians will continue to fight. They might loose eventually as they get ground down but they won't collapse like the Afghan army did. Blood will continue to be shed long after Russian troops start digging in on the Polish border.

I expect an answer like the one you gave me.

Reading the comment(links)Jim has posted, gives us the expression that our leader is very, very determent in their support for Ukraine.

Then I read in the Economist that up to 150.000 could die in Europe due to Putins energy war against us.

Which lead to this made up scenario

Markus

Dargo

11-29-22, 03:24 PM

I expect an answer like the one you gave me.

Reading the comment(links)Jim has posted, gives us the expression that our leader is very, very determent in their support for Ukraine.

Then I read in the Economist that up to 150.000 could die in Europe due to Putins energy war against us.

Which lead to this made up scenario

MarkusDutch TTF Natural Gas Futures are lower than on Dec 22, 2021 same goes for electricity price I do not think analytics of the Economist are correct there are no energy-price increases, see it as fearmongering.

Dargo

11-29-22, 03:57 PM

Over the last three months, Russian forces in Ukraine have likely largely stopped deploying as Battalion Tactical Groups (BTGs).

The BTG concept has played a major part in Russian military doctrine for the last ten years, and saw battalions integrated with a full range of supporting sub-units, including armour, reconnaissance and (in a departure from usual Western practice) artillery.

Several intrinsic weaknesses of the BTG concept have been exposed in the high intensity, large-scale combat of the Ukraine war so far. BTGs’ relatively small allocation of combat infantry has often proved insufficient. Decentralised distribution of artillery has not allowed Russia to fully leverage its advantage in numbers of guns; and few BTG commanders have been empowered to flexibly exploit opportunities in the way the BTG model was designed to promote.

https://i.postimg.cc/pd3x10g5/Fitl3ud-WQAEw-Yp7.jpg

mapuc

11-29-22, 04:52 PM

I forgot something-Those of my friends who is picking on Zelenskyj think Putin is one heck of a great leader. :o

Markus

Dargo

11-29-22, 05:08 PM

I forgot something-Those of my friends who is picking on Zelenskyj think Putin is one heck of a great leader. :o

MarkusBet they will cry mommy in a day if they lived in Russia

les green01

11-29-22, 07:39 PM

I forgot something-Those of my friends who is picking on Zelenskyj think Putin is one heck of a great leader. :o

Markus

bet they are plenty of ruskies that would trade places with them

August

11-29-22, 10:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4

Jimbuna

11-30-22, 06:39 AM

Ukraine war: The surrender hotline for Russian soldiers

The Ukrainian government has said a scheme it created for Russian soldiers to surrender is getting up to 100 enquiries a day.

The "I Want To Live" project was started in September.

By calling a hotline or entering details through messenger apps, Russian troops can arrange the best way to surrender to Ukrainian forces.

Officials in Kyiv say they've had more than 3,500 contacts from invading personnel, as well as their families.

There's been an apparent increase since Russian President Vladimir Putin mobilised hundreds of thousands of Russian men, and since the city of Kherson was liberated.

The BBC has been given recordings from some of the calls.

As the dark hallways suggest, Ukraine's headquarters for the Treatment of Prisoners of War isn't immune to the power blackouts which plague the country.

In a small office we meet Svitlana, not her real name, a Ukrainian call handler who speaks to Russian soldiers daily.

They can either get in touch over the phone or on most messenger apps, such as Telegram and WhatsApp.

She explains the evenings are busiest, when troops have more spare time and can sneak off and make a call.

"First of all, we hear a voice, mainly male," she explains. "It's often part-desperate, part-frustrated, because they don't fully understand how the hotline works, or whether it's just a set-up.

"There's also curiosity because many call not to surrender but to find out how they could if needed. It's different every time."

Svitlana isn't allowed to tell us how many Russians she's helped, or exactly how it happens. They're just told to share their location before being given further instructions.

Some Russian soldiers also get in touch to provoke them, she says, although she doesn't think all of them believe the Kremlin's baseless claims that Ukraine is run by Nazis.

"We can't judge an entire country," she says. "The majority of them are worried about their lives."

Svitlana also recalls a call from one man who lived in occupied Crimea and had been mobilised to fight against his own family, and country.

It seems Moscow has now blocked the phone numbers from being reached inside Russia. Calls from either a UK or Russian Sim card are greeted with an error message.

"Ask yourself a question - what are you fighting for?" says the dramatic voice-over in Ukraine's "I Want To Live" propaganda video aimed at Russian soldiers.

Explosions appear in sync with evocative music, and there are images of Russian soldiers apparently surrendering before two phone numbers are shown at the end.

They're even told to wave a white flag if they're too close to the front line.

This is, of course, part of the information war. The anatomy of Ukraine's attempts to weaken Russian morale.

On the walls of Svitlana's office are pictures of Ukrainian prisoners of war. They're all thought to still be alive, and this hotline is central to Kyiv's efforts to bring them home.

Once they surrender, Russian prisoners of war (PoWs) can be used as currency in future exchanges.

According to the Institute for the Study of War, the Kremlin is also carrying out more prisoner of war exchanges as it tries to soothe critics from inside Russia.

There are thought to be thousands of PoWs on both sides, but the exact numbers aren't clear.

"We especially want to target the partially mobilised who not only can't fight but are thrown in as cannon fodder," says Vitalii Matviyenko, who heads up the scheme.

"This project was created so their lives will be guaranteed if they surrender voluntarily."

For outnumbered Ukraine, it's also hoped it will soften the belly of their larger invader.

Additional reporting by Daria Sipigina, Hanna Chornous and Moose Campbell.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63782764