View Full Version : Here we go again-Ukraine once again
Jimbuna
08-07-22, 05:08 AM
Vladimir Putin fears a long war in Ukraine more than you think
Conventional wisdom says that in the grinding war of attrition in Ukraine, even in the face of fearsome Western sanctions, time is on Vladimir Putin’s side.
He’ll certainly need it.
The latest state-of-play report by experts at the Institute for the Study of War, suggests that Russian optimism earlier in the summer is now fading as it is forced to choose which parts of occupied territory in South and East should defend from Ukrainian forces, buoyed by the US supply of HIMAR missile systems.
“Ukraine’s preparations for the counteroffensive in Kherson… combined with the dramatic weakening of Russian forces generally appear to be allowing Ukraine to begin actively shaping the course of the war for the first time,” it says.
Russia might soon look for a strategic truce.
Gerhard Schroder, the ex-German Chancellor, claimed last week that Russia was hoping to find a solution to the war in Ukraine, adding that the deal on grain shipments could be the basis for a ceasefire.
Mr Schroder is not the most credible pundit. He is dismissed by many, in and outside Germany, as a lapdog of Mr Putin for trousering $1m a year from Russian state energy firms.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-fears-a-long-war-in-ukraine-more-than-you-think/ar-AA10oqmC?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug
Jimbuna
08-07-22, 05:12 AM
Four more grain ships leave Ukraine as hopes grow for export stability
Four more ships carrying grain and sunflower oil have left Ukraine ports via a safe maritime corridor.
Millions of tonnes of grain have been stuck in Ukraine due to Russian blockades, leading to shortages and higher food prices in other countries.
But last week the first ship left Ukraine's ports since February.
The latest ships to set sail are bound for Turkey where they'll be inspected as part of a deal reached with Russia and the United Nations.
They left on Sunday from the ports of Odesa and Chornomorsk, and will all travel through the Bosphorus strait.
After the inspections, two are then scheduled to dock in Turkey, while the others are headed for Italy and China. Another empty ship has been authorised to travel to Ukraine for loading.
Under a deal brokered by Turkey and the UN last month, Russia agreed not to target ships which were in transit, while Ukraine said it would guide vessels through mined waters.
The deal, set to last 120 days, can be renewed if both sides agree.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62454674
Ukraine’s Drone Spotters on Front Lines Wage New Kind of War
A reconnaissance unit using drones to direct artillery strikes is frequently a target itself. Commercially available drones selling for as little as $3,000 are revolutionizing combat. “Fire,” a Ukrainian reconnaissance unit commander said after receiving a message from the artillery team. It took more than 20 seconds for the sound of an outgoing Ukrainian artillery round to reach this narrow strip of woodland on the front line between Ukrainian-held Mykolaiv and Russian-occupied Kherson in southern Ukraine. https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-drone-spotters-on-front-lines-wage-new-kind-of-war-11659870805?st=zjtbptyhngqncjd&reflink=share_mobilewebshare
Catfish
08-07-22, 03:08 PM
Bullsh!t propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM1VzT16QF4
I only post this because it resembles the UK brexit propaganda of similar "quality" and the same channel from half a year ago :03:
^ The problem is...people, some of them, would believe it.
For me it's rubbish propaganda. Not even worth watching.
Markus
Catfish
08-07-22, 03:14 PM
Ukraine’s Drone Spotters on Front Lines Wage New Kind of War [...]
Yeah .. problem is Russia still has more ammuniton and people willing to die for the cause.
Ukraine can do losts of precisison strikes ok, but this will not stop the sheer masses from Russia trying to flood Ukraine.
1. Ukraine runs out of russian ammunition for their hardware, i guess it will not be able to restock it from Russia.
Ukraine has way too few western military hardware, and ammo.
2. If Ukraineever looks like winning (it does not, at this moment), Russia will mobilize. In this case Russia will just bury the whole Ukraine with the dead bodies of russian soldiers, and win. They did it before.
I hope someone can prove me wrong.
Aktungbby
08-07-22, 11:38 PM
No need to prove U wrong. Putin, as I pointed out in the 170 pg's of this thread, is doing a marvelous job mismicromanaging his war to restore the post WWII Soviet bloc. NATO is unifying and expanding. Like operation Foxley to assassinate der Furhrer; curtailed, as ol' Adolf, in his Polish Wolf's Lair was an asset to the Allies war efforts, we can't afford to lose Vlad the rapist too soon. Winter will be along shortly...perhaps 'twill be old Boney and Adolf in reverse as General Winter assumes command. They'll need those truck crematoriums to stay warm?!! :O: And, as stated previously, there's a lot of pissed off babushkas with dead conscript sons who R hard to keep silent. The leading cause of death on earth is other people...usually one's physician: this war will end with Vlad's demise; probably from medical issues; saving him a one-way trip to the Hague and a war crimes gibbet.:/\\chop All of this is moot however, as civilization on the spinning mudball is scheduled for ending ca. 2040 anyway... or so the Grays inform me. :hmmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdJCTusRTQA
Catfish
08-08-22, 02:00 AM
^ oops well, there goes my idea of improving house and living .. but then living in the area you are, enclosed by wildfires, on a geological active fault and not to forget all this wine threatening your health, should tell something about man's determination to get on against all odds :D
Russian Defence Research Expert on AFU performance, the effect of Western weapon supplies.
"interview with Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, founded in 1997. Pukhov is quite closely affiliated with the Russian Ministry of Defence and is a member of the board of experts within the government of the Russian Federation."
"Ukraine: Gladiator fight
Journalist, expert of the PRISP Center Pyotr Skorobogaty spoke with the director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Ruslan Pukhov about the difficulties that the Russian armed forces are currently experiencing on the Ukrainian frontline, what consequences the supply of Western equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lead to, and whether Western military corporations will be able to increase the production of arsenals."
https://wartranslated.com/russian-defence-research-expert-on-afu-performance-the-effect-of-western-weapon-supplies/
It is not all correct what Pukhov says, russian tanks do have reactive armour theoretically, it is just that someone decided to take the money and put some paper in the "reactive" boxes, instead of charges..
Skybird
08-08-22, 09:09 AM
Russian troops allegedly wired power units of the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant with explosives. This was announced by the Ukrainian Center for Strategic Communications and Information Security at the Ministry of Culture and Information Policy on Monday afternoon. The commander of the troops stationed at the power plant, Major General Vasilyev, is reported to have said that they are now ready to blow up the NPP at any time. "This will either be Russian land or scorched earth," Vasilyev is quoted as saying.
This is a clear and present nuclear danger to the safety and wellbeing of the people living all across Europe. If Russia starts to blow up nuclear installations intentionall to cause more Chernobyl, I rate this as an attack with nuclear devices against all Europe. It is a reason to go to war.
A thought about this war and Taiwan.
Right now A lot of material is being shipped from USA to Ukraine.
When and if China turn their exercise into real war and attack Taiwan-Will USA then concentrate on Taiwan and let Europe handle Russia by them self ?
Reason to my thoughts is(Said by some military expert) USA may be a superpower however they aren't strong enough to fight Russia and China at once. That is conventional warfare.
Markus
Skybird
08-08-22, 09:38 AM
I doubt the US can fight two major wars at the same time anymore. They claimed this 20, 30 years ago, but I think that is no longer doable for them. In the Ukraine the US is not directly engaged, but their deliveries of ammunitions, especially smart weapons, will suffer.
The US of course will deny the loss of the two-war capability, and claim they still could do it. But then many still claim that a war with China would be hard but still be won by the US - another thing I do not take for granted anymore.
Missiles and smart weapons will be consummed in quantities like popcorn in the first showing of the latest Star Wars movie. The quesiton is who has the bigger stocks - China or the US. I say: at the time China seriously starts a war at the time of its choosing: China.
Would we see American conditions, you know in the end of the 60's and beginning of the 70's where there was huge demonstration against the Vietnam war, in Russia as the death toll grow ?
Stories like his are taboo in Russia, where the wrenching grief of many families is buried beneath the triumphant bombast of state media. The war is portrayed as an existential struggle for survival, against “Nazis” as well as NATO, and a virtual news blackout about the bloody toll underscores Kremlin anxiety about the durability of its manufactured support.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/07/russia-ukraine-war-deaths-toll/
Markus
A thought about this war and Taiwan.
Right now A lot of material is being shipped from USA to Ukraine.
When and if China turn their exercise into real war and attack Taiwan-Will USA then concentrate on Taiwan and let Europe handle Russia by them self ?
Reason to my thoughts is(Said by some military expert) USA may be a superpower however they aren't strong enough to fight Russia and China at once. That is conventional warfare.
MarkusTaiwan is about 17 times smaller than Ukraine, it will be mainly an air, naval war.
China Manpower:
Active personnel: 2,185,000
Reserve personnel: 8,000,000
Available for military: 385,821,101
Taiwan Manpower:
Active personnel: 290,000
Reserve personnel: 2,800,000
Available for military: 5,883,828
Invading will cost a lot, but china can get air and naval superiority than the numbers of infantry will be on the side of China do not think the US risk too much also it will be too late to react.
Would we see American conditions, you know in the end of the 60's and beginning of the 70's where there was huge demonstration against the Vietnam war, in Russia as the death toll grow ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/07/russia-ukraine-war-deaths-toll/
MarkusNo the sons and fathers of Moscow, St Petersburg are not dying only the poor southern unterRussians and the people that have demonstrated can not even lift their finger on the red square without being arrested and thrown in jail Russians have not suffered enough yet to revolt.
The Pentagon announced the allocation of additional military assistance to Ukraine in the amount of $1 billion.
Capabilities in this package include:
– Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
– 75,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition;
– 20 120mm mortar systems and 20,000 rounds of 120mm mortar ammunition;
– Munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
– 1,000 Javelin and hundreds of AT4 anti-armor systems;
– 50 armored medical treatment vehicles;
– Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
– C-4 explosives, demolition munitions, and demolition equipment;
– Medical supplies, to include first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment.
At least 27 military systems use Western-designed components
RUSI found 450 components sourced mainly from Western firms
Russian military systems depend highly on microelectronics components designed and produced in the US, Europe and East Asia, according to a report published Monday based on an examination of the remains of equipment used by the Kremlin’s forces in Ukraine. The report by the Royal United Services Institute in London inspected 27 weapon systems including state-of-the art cruise missiles and drones that were used since Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine in February. It found at least 450 foreign-made components that were critical to their operation. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-08/russian-weapon-systems-rely-heavily-on-foreign-tech-report-says
Jimbuna
08-08-22, 01:20 PM
Kremlin reports that Putin will not attend or speak by videoconference at UN General Assembly
"No. There are no plans to travel or intervene," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the Russian news agency TASS when asked about the matter.
Later, the official portal of the Russian government published a statement saying that Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov will be in charge of leading the Russian delegation to the meeting.
Along with Lavrov, the delegation will include Deputy Foreign Minister Serfei Vershinin, Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on International Affairs Gregori Karasin, Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzia, and Chairman of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs Leonid Slutski.
A group of advisors from Foreign Ministry departments related to humanitarian cooperation, non-proliferation of weapons, legal sectors or specializing in new threats will also attend.
Jimbuna
08-08-22, 01:25 PM
Russian forces occupying the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant have turned the site into a military base to launch attacks against Ukrainian positions, the head of Ukraine's nuclear power company says.
Petro Kotin told the BBC the threat to the plant was "great", but that it remained safe.
For days, Ukraine and Russia have blamed each other for attacks on the site, Europe's largest nuclear plant, raising concerns of a major accident.
The complex has been under Russian occupation since early March, although Ukrainian technicians still operate it.
Over the weekend, Ukraine accused Russian forces of attacking the Soviet-era site, saying two workers were taken to hospital with shrapnel injuries and that three radiation sensors had been damaged.
Mr Kotin, who heads Enerhoatom, said 500 Russian soldiers were at the plant, and that they had positioned rocket launchers in the area, claims that cannot be independently verified.
"They [Russian forces] use it [the power plant] like a shield against the Ukrainian forces, because nobody from Ukraine is going to do something," Mr Kotin said.
"The Ukrainian Armed Forces know that these are Ukrainian personnel and this is a Ukrainian plant and there are Ukrainian people [there] so we aren't going to kill our people, our staff and damage our infrastructure."
The plant's staff, Mr Kotin said, were working under pressure and in danger, and some had been captured, beaten and tortured.
He said Russia's plans were to disconnect the plant from Ukraine's grid and eventually connect it to Russia's system.
Oleksandr Sayuk, the mayor of Nikopol, which sits on the opposite side of the Dnipro river, told the BBC last week that his city was under Russian shelling "almost every night", and that the attacks were being carried out by forces at the nuclear plant.
The tensions have led to growing calls for international inspectors to be allowed to visit the site.
The UN Secretary General, Antonio Guterres, said "any attack [on] a nuclear plant is a suicidal thing", while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky described Russia's actions as "nuclear terrorism".
"There is no such nation in the world that could feel safe when a terrorist state fires at a nuclear plant," Mr Zelensky said in his nightly address on Sunday night.
Russia, however, denied the accusations, and blamed the Ukrainian forces for the attacks. The country's defence ministry said a high-voltage power line had been damaged as a result of the shelling.
The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think-tank, said last week that Russia was using the plant to play on Western fears of a nuclear disaster, "likely in an effort to degrade Western will to provide military support" to Ukraine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62469740
Jimbuna
08-08-22, 01:28 PM
Russia's military could be unable to operate the high-tech weapons and communications systems it has been using in Ukraine if the West were to tighten export controls, says a report.
Almost all Moscow's modern military systems depend on western-made microelectronics, says the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) report.
Moscow has found ways to bypass sanctions and export controls.
If the loopholes are closed, Russia's military might be permanently degraded.
Researchers for Rusi, a UK think tank, spent months in Ukraine, examining 27 of Russia's most modern military systems, either captured, brought down or abandoned by Russian troops.
They discovered at least 450 different kinds of unique, foreign-made components, most built in the US but also in other Western countries.
Products from familiar brands, like Sony and Texas Instruments, are turning up on the battlefield in Russian weapons systems. There is no suggestion those firms have been complicit in sending components to Russia.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62464459
Jimbuna
08-08-22, 01:33 PM
US provides new $1 billion aid package to Ukraine: ammunition for HIMARS and NASAMS, 1,000 Javelins, 50 medical vehicles - Pentagon
The U.S. Defense Department has authorized a new $1 billion military aid package for Ukraine.
As informs Censor.NЕТ, it was reported on Pentagon's website.
Reportedly, the military aid is envisaged to meet Ukraine's critical security and defense needs. It will be supplied from the stocks of the U.S. Defense Department.
Capabilities of the new package include:
Additional ammunition for HIMARS;
75,000 rounds of ammunition for 155mm artillery;
20 additional 120mm mortar systems and 20,000 rounds of ammunition for them;
Ammunition for NASAMS surface-to-air missile systems;
1,000 Javelin and hundreds of AT4 antitank systems;
50 armored medical vehicles;
Claymore anti-personnel ammunition;
C-4 explosives, explosive ordnance, and explosive equipment;
Medical supplies, including first-aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment.
Ukrainian ambassador to Turkey reports on progress with Bayraktar production in Ukraine
Vasyl Bodnar, the Ambassador of Ukraine to Turkey, has reported on progress on the plan to build a factory in Ukraine to produce Bayraktars [drones]. He discussed this in an interview with the publication RBK-Ukraine, writes European Pravda. "The plant will be built. Exactly a week ago, the Ukrainian government approved a bilateral agreement and sent it to parliament for ratification; this is an agreement on the construction of the plant itself," the diplomat said. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/8/7362308/
Jimbuna
08-08-22, 01:45 PM
Almost 350 residents were evacuated from Donbas during August 8
Mandatory evacuation in Donetsk region is underway. To date, 349 people have been successfully evacuated.
As informs Censor.NЕТ, it was reported by Head of the OVA Pavlo Kyrylenko on telegram.
According to him, of those evacuated, 69 were children and 9 people with disabilities.
"As few people as possible should be left in the region before the heating season. Evacuate on time! Evacuation saves lives!", - stressed Head of Donbas.
"It's safe to suggest the Russians have probably taken 70-80,000 casualties in less than 6 months. That's a combination of killed in action & wounded in action. That number might be a little lower, a little higher, but that's kind of in the ballpark, which is pretty remarkable." https://twitter.com/CaitlinDoornbos/status/1556690032194363392
Those numbers are like double the average loss per day during WW2. US average 220 in WW2 with those totals vs days of the war, Russia is at 484 per day. That has to be putting a toll on them. Russia is going to have a hard time replenishing that age range lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3W9-65MYlE
Markus
Skybird
08-08-22, 03:43 PM
"It's safe to suggest the Russians have probably taken 70-80,000 casualties in less than 6 months. That's a combination of killed in action & wounded in action. That number might be a little lower, a little higher, but that's kind of in the ballpark, which is pretty remarkable." https://twitter.com/CaitlinDoornbos/status/1556690032194363392
Those numbers are like double the average loss per day during WW2. US average 220 in WW2 with those totals vs days of the war, Russia is at 484 per day. That has to be putting a toll on them. Russia is going to have a hard time replenishing that age range lost.
Across all of Russia, in all provinces, they currently form "volunteer batallions". 30-40 of them.
A general mobilization order may still come, its not off the table. And if need be, it will come.
Skybird
08-08-22, 03:58 PM
This is from a column in the Süddeutsche Zeitung:
What the realist Leo Tolstoy wrote drastic about war and destruction by Russia is frighteningly valid today. A new installment of the Ukrainian Diary.
"When he returned to the village, he found his hut destroyed, the roof had collapsed, the door and the pillars of the altar had been burned, and the interior disgustingly soiled. His son, that handsome boy with the flashing eyes [...] had been killed [...] in the back [...] The old grandfather sat, leaning against the wall of the collapsed hut, mechanically whittling at a stick and staring dully before him. He had just come over from his bee garden. The two haystacks that had been there were burned, the apricot and cherry trees that he had planted and tended himself were broken and half charred, and the beehives along with the bees had also become a victim of the flames.
The wailing of the women was accompanied by the cries of the children, and the hungry cattle, for which there was no food, roared in between. The older children did not think about playing, but looked with frightened eyes at the adults [...] Not a word of hatred against the Russians was heard. The feeling that everyone [...] from the youngest to the oldest, had towards these enemies was stronger than hatred. They told themselves that these Russian dogs were not human beings, and such revulsion and disgust, such astonishment at the senseless cruelty of these creatures seized them that the desire to exterminate them, as one exterminates wolves, rats and poisonous spiders, seemed as natural as the instinct of self-preservation.
The inhabitants of the village now had a choice: either to remain in the old place, persisting in this enmity, and with the greatest effort, at the risk of a repetition of this insane work of destruction, to restore the homestead wrested from the rigid rock - or, in defiance of religious feeling and the deep aversion to everything Russian, to buy peace by submission."
This longer quote could have come from one of the countless narratives of people from rural areas in Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv regions, which were occupied by Russians in February 2022 and liberated by Ukrainian forces weeks later. Or of those who managed to escape from the occupied territories in the south or east of the country and tell about what they experienced.
I would not be surprised if some readers would even indignantly assume that these lines are a deliberately insulting discredit of the Russian army, "the second army in the world", which, as we know, always acts against evil and always creates good. Only there are undiscerning Russophobic "neo-Nazis" - of whom, for example, Ukraine is teeming - who do not understand their luck and with the help of treacherous US, British, Polish - almost the entire Occident, as is known, conspired against Russia - try to make the senseless resistance.
However, the "special military operation" is going exactly according to the plan, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu regularly reminds; Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev informs the world public about the next stages of the "special operation", which in the foreseeable future will be extended to Georgia and Kazakhstan, so that the borders of the USSR will be restored as soon as possible.
Tolstoy's narrative was published only posthumously
In reality, this quote does not describe the reality of war in Ukraine in 2022, but that in Chechnya at the end of the 19th century and is taken from the story "Khadji Murat" by Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910). Exactly, the world-famous Russian classic. It is the last work of Tolstoy, who himself joined the Russian army in the Caucasus in 1851 and spent two and a half years there. The Russians were there for several years "liberating" Caucasian peoples, "Khadji Murat" is based on historical events of this war, was written in 1896-1906 and published only posthumously in 1912. The translation from which it was quoted can be found online at "Gutenberg Project", unfortunately without mentioning the translator's name. I believe the quoted text speaks for itself and needs no further comment. After all, it is well known that Tolstoy was a classic of literary realism, not horror literature.
Jimbuna
08-09-22, 06:37 AM
If everyone helped like Germany, war would have ended long time ago with victory of Russia, - Mateusz Morawiecki
Russia would have defeated Ukraine a long time ago if the rest of the countries helped the defense forces as much as Germany does - the first economy in Europe.
Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki wrote about this in the author's column of The Spectator, Censor.NET reports with reference to Liga.net.
"If Europe had sent weapons to Ukraine on the same scale and at the same pace as Germany, the war would have ended a long time ago - with Russia's absolute victory," he said, and noted that "Europe would be on the eve of another war."
And today, Morawiecki continued, any voice in the West that "it is necessary to limit the supply of weapons to Ukraine" or to loosen sanctions, or "to bring "both sides" (that is, the aggressor and his victim) to dialogue is a sign of Putin's weakness."
"The truth is that Europe is much stronger than Russia," he emphasized, adding, however, that Europe "needs to wake up." If Europe really wants to talk about democratic values, then, writes the Polish Prime Minister, "the time has come for a big reckoning with the conscience of Europe."
"For too long, the most important value for many countries was the low price of Russian gas. However, now we know that it could be so low because the "blood tax" that Ukraine pays today was not added to it," he said.
Jimbuna
08-09-22, 07:15 AM
Russian poll: 65% of Russians want peace with Ukraine, but 60% would support new offensive on Kyiv
Russian mass media published the results of a public opinion poll, according to which 65% of Russians support the decision to stop the war in Ukraine and sign a peace agreement. At the same time, 60% are ready to support a new attack on the Ukrainian capital.
The Russian publication Kommersant wrote about it, Censor.NET reports.
According to the Russian Field survey, 65% of Russians would approve of Vladimir Putin's decision to stop the military operation in Ukraine and sign a peace agreement.
At the same time, 60% of respondents would also support the Russian president's intention to launch a new attack on Kyiv.
In general, 52% of those polled spoke in favor of continuing the military operation, and 38% were in favor of moving to peace negotiations.
The ratio of supporters and opponents of the war has practically not changed since mid-March, the authors of the study note.
59% of Russians believe that the so-called "military operation" in Ukraine has dragged on, 28% of survey participants hold the opposite opinion.
Almost two-thirds of Russian men (62%) are not ready to personally participate in hostilities in Ukraine. 29% of respondents said they would like to participate in a "special operation", and people aged 45 to 59 (37%) admit this most often, while only 23% of men aged 18 to 29 do.
There are also few people willing to help the Russian military financially: 67% are not at all ready to donate their own funds to support the war, and 12% agree to spend no more than 1,000 rubles a month on this.
The research was conducted by telephone survey on July 28-31. 1,609 respondents in eight federal districts took part in it.
The authors of the study warn that its results on a number of questions about what is happening in Ukraine may not correspond to the real situation, since "Russians are afraid to talk about this topic", in particular, "refusals have increased, sincerity has decreased."
Bilge_Rat
08-09-22, 08:47 AM
"It's safe to suggest the Russians have probably taken 70-80,000 casualties in less than 6 months. That's a combination of killed in action & wounded in action. That number might be a little lower, a little higher, but that's kind of in the ballpark, which is pretty remarkable." https://twitter.com/CaitlinDoornbos/status/1556690032194363392
well, remember these figures are "estimates". Only the Russians know how many casualties they have taken.
Also remember that the USA and Ukraine have an incentive to exaggerate (i.e. lie) about the casualty figures for propaganda purposes.
Acccording to Russian opposition figures, Russian casualties are probably closer to 10,000. Other analysts have made estimates in the 15-30,000 range.
Note that some analysts have estimated that Ukrainain casualties may be as high as 30,000.
numbers are like double the average loss per day during WW2. US average 220 in WW2 with those totals vs days of the war, Russia is at 484 per day. That has to be putting a toll on them. Russia is going to have a hard time replenishing that age range lost.
Which should be the first clue that these numbers do not make sense. Casualty rates in modern wars are a lot lower than in WW1 or 2 for a variety of reasons.
Russia has roughly 100-120,000 troops involved in the operation. 100-120 BTG at an average of 500 troops in each works out to roughly 50-60,000 troops to which you can add an equivalent number of support troops.
US casualty figures work out to roughly 50% of all Russian troops. If these figures were true, the Russian army would have collapsed and surrendered.
German casualties at Kursk in 1943 worked out to 6% of the entire German force. Allied casualties in the Normandy campaign were roughly 10% of the entire force (226,000 out of 2,000,000 over a 3 month period).
Jimbuna
08-09-22, 08:53 AM
In near future, US will not supply Ukraine with additional HIMARS. Ukrainians cope well with already available number of systems, - Deputy Minister of Defense Kahl
The US does not plan to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with additional HIMARS in the near future, but instead will focus on ensuring a continuous supply of ammunition to them.
This was announced by US Deputy Defense Minister Colin Kahl, Censor.NET informs with reference to "Interfax-Ukraine".
"Why aren't we seeing more HIMARS and more M777 howitzers, as opposed to munitions and GMLRS; right now, I think -- you know, first of all, we've shipped 16 HIMARS systems, which is actually quite a lot. Again, those aren't the systems , which we estimate you need in the hundreds to have the kind of effect they have. These are high-precision systems for very specific types of targets, and the Ukrainians use them as such," Kahl emphasized.
In addition, he recalled, Great Britain will provide Ukraine with three M270 MRS systems, which are based on a different type of chassis, but use the same missiles as HIMARS, and Germany has pledged to provide three more.
"So our assessment is actually that the Ukrainians are doing pretty well with the number of systems they already have, and actually the priority right now is to ensure a steady flow of GMLRS. The same goes for the M777 howitzers, where we've actually provided a very large number of systems. So are allies and partners, and now the priority is to make sure that the Ukrainians have the ammunition to keep them in the fight," Kahl said.
"Become a living legend!" With that slogan, Russia's paramilitary Wagner Group is looking for young men who want to fight in Ukraine. The Russian army is also looking for new soldiers through propaganda and recruiting offices popping up everywhere. For as long as a general mobilization in Russia is not forthcoming, the armed forces will have to look for new troops through "voluntary mobilization." The Russian military is not a popular employer, Many boys who have to serve in the military try to escape this. This has to do with the authority relations in the Russian army. There are hard hazing sessions and soldiers are sometimes bullied by their superiors. This has improved in recent years, as have conditions and nutrition. But the army is still not popular.
Because the war in Ukraine requires new soldiers, both the Russian army and the Wagner Group are now targeting mainly poor men from remote areas such as the Urals and Buryatia. Of the "special military operation," as the war against Ukraine in Russia must be called, they often know no more than what state television shows them of it. These are propaganda images full of heroic soldiers, which some men would love to belong to. Those who join the Russian army or the Wagner Group also get a good salary for it. Serving in the army for six months, or working for the Wagner Group, can fetch up to 5,000 euros a month on average. Added to that are things like a bonus for every day of fighting and a good benefit for surviving dependents if a soldier is killed. This quickly becomes attractive for those who normally earn 500 to 1000 euros a month.
According to the independent newspaper The Moscow Times, Russia hopes to attract up to 34,000 new military personnel with this combination of propaganda, brief training and good pay. There are already forty such "voluntary units" from all over the country. Whether that will be beneficial militarily remains to be seen, according to Han Bouwmeester, colonel and associate professor at the Netherlands Defense Academy: "These guys will be sent to the front without much knowledge. They will know how to shoot and how to run a patrol. But comprehensive training is lacking. Compare it to driving lessons: the moment you pass your theory exam, you are not yet an experienced driver."
In the Russian army, quantity is also a quality. If you have a lot of troops, you can use them to impress the opponent. But if some of those men are not good soldiers because of a lack of training, it is of no use to you in battle." In addition, Bouwmeester points out something else: the personal risk for the men who go to the front: "They are totally unprepared for the horrors of war and only know the heroic stories from the state propaganda. But what does the constant pressure and threat of war do to them? In the Russian army, mental problems suffered by soldiers on the battlefield receive no attention. While there is a chance that these very poorly trained boys will one day return home with mental health problems."
Putin has not yet declared martial law. This is for several reasons. First, it would damage the credibility of the narrative that Russians have been told for months now, namely that this is just a military operation in which everything is going according to plan. A general mobilization would confirm that this is not so. Second, it could greatly affect Putin's popularity if the country actually goes into martial law. Military action that does not take place on Russian territory and in which only "paid" soldiers join the fight is emotionally very different for Russians than when everyone is called upon to join the fight. Especially for the residents of Moscow and St. Petersburg, with good jobs and a fairly comfortable life. Moscow is still doing everything possible to keep the fighting in Ukraine as far away from the population as possible, also to avoid unrest and protests in the big cities. This is also one of the reasons why recruitment of new mercenaries takes place mainly in the remote regions; there people are more likely to risk their lives for a high salary, there is less press to record the funerals of fallen soldiers and there is less likely to be mass protest.
https://nos.nl/artikel/2439925-rusland-heeft-dringend-militairen-nodig-vrijwillige-mobilisatie-in-volle-gang
There have been multiple explosions at a military airfield on the Russian-annexed Crimean peninsula. These have left one dead, and five people injured, according to local Russian authorities. Among the injured is a child. Emergency services have been mobilized en masse, the Russian governor of the region has said. The area around the airport has been cordoned off within a five-kilometer radius. The military airport is located in Novofedorivka, near the Black Sea. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the explosions took place in depots. The ministry states that aircraft ammunition went off and that it was not an attack.
The ministry also initially brought out that there were no casualties, but local authorities thus contradicted that. Ukrainian authorities have not yet responded. Speculation is rife on Ukrainian social media that this is a Ukrainian long-range missile attack. An eyewitness tells Reuters news agency that at least twelve explosions could be heard around 3:30 p.m. (local time). Another louder explosion followed half an hour later. In the nearby town of Saki, sirens went off. Images shared by The Kyiv Post (https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/breaking-ukrainians-strike-russian-military-airbase-in-crimea.html) show large plumes of smoke rising near the military airport. There have been no attacks on Crimea since the war broke out in February. Moscow previously threatened that a Ukrainian attack on Crimea would lead to a "fierce retaliation."
Huge traffic jam building at the Kerch Bridge in the east part of Ukraine's Russian-occupied Crimea. The jam started to build up after news broke of what may have been a Ukrainian rocket or missile attack on a Russian air base near Saki, Crimea. https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1557026534635995139
With a $400,000 investment, Russian citizens can obtain new nationality and circumvent the hell of Western sanctions, though Washington isn't happy about it
Turkey’s citizenship-by-investment scheme has been fuelled by a wave of Russians who fled their country after the invasion of Ukraine and are looking for ways to establish new businesses and lives. Ankara’s path to citizenship for investors has been very popular for people in the Middle East since it was launched in 2018. But Russia’s war in Ukraine has spurred a new wave of investors. Crippling international sanctions on Russia and increasing repression of dissent have pushed Russians to look for opportunities in Turkey - a country previously largely viewed by them only as a holiday destination. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russia-turkey-citizenship-buy-establish-lives-businesses
There have been multiple explosions at a military airfield on the Russian-annexed Crimean peninsula. These have left one dead, and five people injured, according to local Russian authorities. Among the injured is a child. Emergency services have been mobilized en masse, the Russian governor of the region has said. The area around the airport has been cordoned off within a five-kilometer radius. The military airport is located in Novofedorivka, near the Black Sea. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the explosions took place in depots. The ministry states that aircraft ammunition went off and that it was not an attack.
The ministry also initially brought out that there were no casualties, but local authorities thus contradicted that. Ukrainian authorities have not yet responded. Speculation is rife on Ukrainian social media that this is a Ukrainian long-range missile attack. An eyewitness tells Reuters news agency that at least twelve explosions could be heard around 3:30 p.m. (local time). Another louder explosion followed half an hour later. In the nearby town of Saki, sirens went off. Images shared by The Kyiv Post (https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/breaking-ukrainians-strike-russian-military-airbase-in-crimea.html) show large plumes of smoke rising near the military airport. There have been no attacks on Crimea since the war broke out in February. Moscow previously threatened that a Ukrainian attack on Crimea would lead to a "fierce retaliation."
Huge traffic jam building at the Kerch Bridge in the east part of Ukraine's Russian-occupied Crimea. The jam started to build up after news broke of what may have been a Ukrainian rocket or missile attack on a Russian air base near Saki, Crimea. https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1557026534635995139
After I had read your comment I read this in a Danish Newspaper.
One killed and five injured in explosions at Crimean air base
Bombs for Russian warplanes have exploded at the air base, says the ministry, which denies it is an attack
This is stated by pro-Russian authorities and Russia's Ministry of Defense.
A series of loud explosions were heard on Tuesday from the Saki air base, located on the west coast of Crimea.
A Ministry of Defense source told Tass that a breach of the rules on the use of open fire at the base meant that some of the heavy ammunition the planes were loaded with caught fire.
- There is no sign or proof that it was done deliberately, says the source to Tass.
Markus
After I had read your comment I read this in a Danish Newspaper.
MarkusViktor Andrusiv, a political scientist and former adviser to Ukraine’s Ministry of Internal Affairs, wrote on the Telegram: ‘As you can understand – missiles with a range of 200-300 km are already in service with us and are being used in our country. ‘The explosions…. today, at the airfield in Novofedorivka in Crimea, are public proof of this.’
Viktor Andrusiv, a political scientist and former adviser to Ukraine’s Ministry of Internal Affairs, wrote on the Telegram: ‘As you can understand – missiles with a range of 200-300 km are already in service with us and are being used in our country. ‘The explosions…. today, at the airfield in Novofedorivka in Crimea, are public proof of this.’
Thank you Dargo-So now we can await a "fierce retaliation." From Russia
Markus
Thank you Dargo-So now we can await a "fierce retaliation." From Russia
MarkusThink that will be soon, this was an air base from which planes regularly took off for attacks against Ukraine forces in the southern theater. Satellite images of the airfield in Novofedorivka taken this morning show 12 Su-24s, 10 Su-30SMs and Il-76s question is how many planes will be visible in the evening satellite imagery.
Think that will be soon, this was an air base from which planes regularly took off for attacks against Ukraine forces in the southern theater.
It also makes me wonder if this attack was a prolog to the coming massive offensive the Ukrainian has announced will come soon.
Markus
It also makes me wonder if this attack was a prolog to the coming massive offensive the Ukrainian has announced will come soon.
MarkusThink it is also a warning to Russia, they can and will strike deep. A Ukrainian attack on Russian forces in the Crimean Peninsula would represent a significant escalation in the war and an embarrassment for Putin, who often speaks of the territory as if it were hallowed ground.
Think it is also a warning to Russia, they can and will strike deep. A Ukrainian attack on Russian forces in the Crimean Peninsula would represent a significant escalation in the war and an embarrassment for Putin, who often speaks of the territory as if it were hallowed ground.
I suddenly recall an issue in the news where it was said
(from memory)
Only help/cooperation between Ukraine and USA is when or if USA approve the target the HIMARS is aiming at
If I remember correctly-USA must have approved this attack, or Ukraine did it by them self-Thereby breaking an agreement between these two countries.
Markus
I suddenly recall an issue in the news where it was said
(from memory)
Only help/cooperation between Ukraine and USA is when or if USA approve the target the HIMARS is aiming at
If I remember correctly-USA must have approved this attack, or Ukraine did it by them self-Thereby breaking an agreement between these two countries.
MarkusThese were no HIMARS Ukraine official would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”
These were no HIMARS Ukraine official would not disclose the type of weapon used in the attack, saying only that “a device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.”
You are correct What type of long range missile could have been used ?
And so was I
https://www.businessinsider.com/himars-us-has-effective-veto-over-russian-targets-report-says-2022-8?r=US&IR=T
Markus
Skybird
08-09-22, 02:48 PM
So they maybe already have Sevastopol and the bridge at Kertch in reach and wait for the perfect time when it would maximise the destructions.
Wasn' it said earlier, already months ago, that the Ukrainian weapon factories have practically all seized to exist (struck by Russia)?
This event is very embarassing for Putin's precious face and reputation. Revenge will follow. But then, the whole war is a revenge for his mama haven't hugged him.
You are correct What type of long range missile could have been used ?
And so was I
https://www.businessinsider.com/himars-us-has-effective-veto-over-russian-targets-report-says-2022-8?r=US&IR=T
MarkusIt might be the Ukrainian Grom(-2) missile People in Western Europe often forget that Ukraine was an integral part of the Soviet space and missile effort, some of the finest scientists and rockets coming from there. That knowledge is not entirely gone... Development of an Iskander look a like solid propellant missile, with roughly equivalent payload and range, started under Janukowycz, however the program produced few results other than schemes to move money around amongst his friends. It was known as "Sapsan". Under Poroshenko, the project was resurrected, now called Grom, and steadily progressed. Like the Neptune cruise missile, initial operational trials were held in 2021, but it is unclear how large UA stocks really are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbWjDjgyQg
Moscow got a surprise when the Neptune sunk the Moskva, and this could be the Grom's surprise moment. However, in order to be effective, it needed some preparation. Crimea is heavily protected by SAM, both S-300 and S-400. They have the capability to intercept these missiles.
https://twitter.com/GresselGustav/status/1557049198952038400
Catfish
08-09-22, 02:53 PM
Who knows exactly how far Himars systems can strike, when it is depending on the missiles used.
Who would openly publish true numbers of their capability, especially in this situation.
Here is a map of the war liveuamap.
https://liveuamap.com/
There's no measurement tools available on the side.
Where did they fire their missiles from-do we know this ?
Markus
Catfish
08-09-22, 03:05 PM
Maybe Himars.
Maybe Grom.
Maybe russians not content with the war.
Maybe ukrainian saboteurs.
Who knows. All we know is that no russian in Ukraine is safe.
Keep them guessing.
Jeff-Groves
08-09-22, 03:08 PM
I can Hack a freaking automobile computer and get more MPG!
You don't believe a Missile can be Hacked?
:har:
Maybe Himars.
Maybe Grom.
Maybe russians not content with the war.
Maybe ukrainian saboteurs.
Who knows. All we know is that no russian in Ukraine is safe.
Keep them guessing.
This guy could be right he could also be wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Jw-cSDyYg
Markus
Families of Russian forces leave occupied Kherson fearing Ukrainian attacks panic started to spread among Russian military personnel due to the strikes on Antonivskyi & Kakhovka bridges, said the Head of Regional Military Administration Yaroslav Yarushevych
Jimbuna
08-10-22, 04:35 AM
Ukraine war must end with liberation of Crimea – Zelensky
The war in Ukraine began with Crimea and must end with its liberation, President Volodymyr Zelensky has said.
Ukraine's president was speaking after a string of explosions hit a Russian airbase there, killing one person.
Mr Zelensky did not mention Tuesday's blasts but said: "Crimea is Ukrainian and we will never give it up."
Russia's defence ministry said ammunition detonated at the base. Meanwhile, Ukraine denied any responsibility for the explosions.
In a separate development, Ukrainian officials say 13 people were killed in overnight Russian strikes in the central Dnipropetrovsk region, and another one in the Zaporizhzhia region in the south.
Crimea is internationally recognised as part of Ukraine - but the Black Sea peninsula was annexed by Russia in 2014 after a referendum which the global community sees as illegitimate. Many Ukrainians see this as the start of their war with Russia.
Skybird
08-10-22, 05:56 AM
Its still not clear what caused the explosions on the Russian air base on Crimea peninsula, whether it were missiles, sabotage, or tehcncila accident. Clear seems to be that the pattern of explosions indicate that ammunition went up. On videos known, there is no sign of incomig fire or counter fire.
I think sabotage or partisan acitvity - an attack from the ground - is more likely than missile fire. But that is just my guts feeling, not more.
Jimbuna
08-10-22, 08:02 AM
Its still not clear what caused the explosions on the Russian air base on Crimea peninsula, whether it were missiles, sabotage, or tehcncila accident. Clear seems to be that the pattern of explosions indicate that ammunition went up. On videos known, there is no sign of incomig fire or counter fire.
I think sabotage or partisan acitvity - an attack from the ground - is more likely than missile fire. But that is just my guts feeling, not more.
Agreed :yep:
Jimbuna
08-10-22, 08:09 AM
G7 nations call on Russia "immediately hand back full control" of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant to Ukraine.
The actions of Russia's armed forces are significantly raising the risk of a nuclear accident or incident, the G7 says.
Russian shelling in central Ukraine kills at least 16 people - the governor of Dnipropetrovsk region says 13 died in the town of Marhanets.
Two civilians died in the Donetsk region, while a woman was killed in Zaporizhzhia.
The US will provide $89m (£73m) to Ukraine for removing land mines put in place by Russian forces.
The war in Ukraine began with Crimea and must end with its liberation, President Volodymyr Zelensky says.
Jimbuna
08-10-22, 08:20 AM
The UK's Ministry of Defence has posted its daily defence intelligence update and says these are the latest developments from Ukraine:
Russian commanders are highly likely to face competing priorities with reinforcing their offensive, and strengthening their defences, in the eastern Ukrainian Donbas region.
Russia has almost certainly established a major new ground forces formation - 3rd Army Corps (3 AC) - based at Mulino in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast, east of Moscow. Russia likely plans to get resources from newly-formed "volunteer" battalions, which are being raised across the country, the MoD says.
Regional politicians in Russia have confirmed potential 3 AC recruits are being offered lucrative cash bonuses once they deploy to Ukraine. Recruitment is open for men up to 50 years of age and with only middle-school education.
It will probably be difficult for Russia to bring 3 AC up to strength given very limited levels of popular enthusiasm for volunteering for combat in Ukraine.
https://i.postimg.cc/sx1GGXG6/0be45531-6b91-4628-b25b-40ddf2b925cf.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Jimbuna
08-10-22, 08:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll5nGeUcuUI
Jimbuna
08-10-22, 10:32 AM
Ukrainian special forces are behind attack on airfield in occupied Crimea, - Washington Post
Ukrainian special forces struck the Russian air base in occupied Crimea.
The Washington Post writes about this with reference to an unnamed Ukrainian official, Censor.NET reports.
The authors of the material believe that this event will lead to an escalation of the conflict.
At the same time, the publication writes, the attack on occupied Crimea demonstrates that Ukraine can strike at the rear of the Russians and strike from a greater distance.
On August 9, loud explosions rang out in the occupied Crimea from the Russian air base in Novofedorivka.
Russia said that an aviation munition had exploded and that there was allegedly no fire damage. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine "cannot determine the cause of the fire" at the airfield of the occupiers in the Ukrainian Crimea, but strongly recommends that they study the rules of fire safety and do not smoke where it does not belong.
President Volodymyr Zelensky emphasized that Ukraine will definitely return the occupied Crimea, and the Russian war must end on the peninsula, where it began in 2014.
While careful not to confirm — or deny — that Ukrainian forces were responsible for the explosions that rocked a Russian airbase, two government officials said the blast marks the start of a major counterattack. Blasts that rocked a Russian military airfield in forcibly annexed Crimea signal the start of Ukraine’s counteroffensive in the south and a critical new phase of the war that could shape its ultimate outcome, two Ukrainian officials told POLITICO.
The series of explosions Tuesday sent huge fireballs and mushroom clouds of black smoke into the sky, scattering terrified Russian vacationers who were seen in videos shared on social media scrambling for safety on a beach and fleeing by car over the Crimea bridge to Russia. https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-long-anticipate-southern-counteroffensive-begin-bang-crimea/
Much about what caused a series of explosions earlier today that tore through Russia's Saki Airbase, situated near the village of Novofedorivka on the occupied Crimean Peninsula, remains murky. Russia had claimed what happened was an accident, and that the resulting damage was minimal and caused no casualties, but provided no hard evidence to substantiate this and ordered an evacuation of surrounding areas. Some Ukrainian officials claimed that the incident was a strike, with a subset of them further saying it was carried out using unspecified domestically-developed stand-off weapons. If it was indeed a standoff strike from outside Crimea, it would have had to involve a weapon that Ukraine doesn't officially possess, but they certainly were close to in recent years. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/does-ukraine-have-a-stash-of-domestically-developed-ballistic-missiles
Jimbuna
08-10-22, 01:28 PM
Russian air base in occupied Crimea is absolutely legal target for Armed Forces, - Wallace
Great Britain still does not know the cause of the explosions at the Russian airbase in the occupied Crimea, but it certainly does not consider Russia’s explanation plausible.
British Defense Minister Ben Wallace said this to the ВВС when he arrived in Denmark for a conference dedicated to helping Ukraine, Censor.NET reports.
"This obviously does not happen because of a thrown butt," said the British minister.
At the same time, he called the "unlikely" version that these explosions could be the result of the impact of missiles given to Ukraine by the West.
In any case, Wallace believes, the Russian air base in Crimea is a perfectly legitimate target for the Ukrainian military.
What happened at a Russian base in Crimea remains murky, with some officials claiming it was the work of a special operations unit. Claims continue to swirl surrounding a series of explosions that rocked Russia's Saki Air Base on the occupied Crimean Peninsula yesterday. Various Ukrainian officials have offered conflicting explanations about what happened. Statements from them, on and off the record, now include flat denials that their country was involved at all, as well as that it was an attack carried out by pro-Ukraine guerrillas or Ukrainian special operations forces, or a strike involving a domestically-developed weapon system. Even reported details about the exact scope and scale of the damage, as well as fatalities and injuries, have varied greatly. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/conflicting-claims-swirl-around-russian-airbase-blasts
The movement of Russian military equipment has been recorded in Mariupol, a southern Ukrainian port city temporarily occupied by Russian troops.
Petro Andriushchenko, an adviser to Mariupol’s mayor, said this in a Telegram post, Ukrinform reports.
“Mariupol. We record the movement of military equipment. Yesterday, between 08:00 and 08:20, four tractor units loaded with S-300 systems with ‘V’ markings drove along Metalurhiv Avenue and Nikopolsky Avenue in the Donetsk direction. Since there is no confirmation that these systems were moved to Mariupol today, it looks like the air defense systems were moved closer to the front lines,” he said.
Between February 24 and August 10, Ukraine’s Armed Forces eliminated about 42,800 Russian troops, including 160 in the past day alone.
https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/russians-moving-air-defense-systems-to-front-lines-adviser-to-mariupol-mayor.html
Catfish
08-10-22, 02:26 PM
re Crimea, keep them guessing.
Just get the message through that no invading russian soldier or depot is safe.
Was it Goebbels who said something with you can call me(some woman name) if the allied drop one bomb on Berlin.
Lets jump some decades forward to yesterdays Crimea.
Could it be so that the Russian is angry/disappointed that Ukraine manage to hit one of their well protected Airbase in Crimea, that they refuse to admit it and instead come with the explanation it was due to open fire.
Markus
Skybird
08-10-22, 03:06 PM
German media refer to the WP that it were Ukrainian commandos carrying out the attack on Saki airbase. Special forces.
P.S. Ooops, Jim beat me to it.
If what one of you wrote that an attack on Crimea would be revenged in fierce full way.
Here I came to think of what Skybird wrote.
Markus
Catfish
08-10-22, 04:06 PM
Was it Goebbels who said something with you can call me(some woman name) if the allied drop one bomb on Berlin. [...]
This was Hermann Göring, who was soon called "Meier" both by the german population, as by a lot of german fighter pilots.
Could it be so that the Russian is angry/disappointed that Ukraine manage to hit one of their well protected Airbase in Crimea, that they refuse to admit it and instead come with the explanation it was due to open fire.
Markus
This is one possible explanation. Maybe just a dropped papyrossi .. :03:
Or sabotage, by own, or ukrainian soldiers.
Or a missile attack.
Or negligence, paired by incompetence.
I'm not sure which explanation is more embarrassing for Putin.
Keep them guessing.
From “Kyiv will fall within 72 hours” to “A key military airfield in Crimea devastated by a Ukrainian attack.”
https://i.postimg.cc/rwLvZM51/Saki.jpg
Visual evidence proves Russia lost at least four Su-30SMs and seven Su-24M(R)s at Saky airbase the Russian MoD claims it suffered no losses in aircraft.
https://i.postimg.cc/0jgDsWkw/Saky1.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/PqwqjtPS/Saky2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/65qtK9PC/Saky3.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/GpcM0p7C/Saky4.jpg
Was it Goebbels who said something with you can call me(some woman name) if the allied drop one bomb on Berlin.
Lets jump some decades forward to yesterdays Crimea.
Could it be so that the Russian is angry/disappointed that Ukraine manage to hit one of their well protected Airbase in Crimea, that they refuse to admit it and instead come with the explanation it was due to open fire.
MarkusThey reacted same as with the cruiser Moskva give them a couple of days to sink in:D proof of satellites is already out there they cannot deny it any more like with the cruiser Moskva.
Catfish
08-10-22, 04:38 PM
https://youtu.be/_TUhRbLCI3A
What kind of response can we expect because of this attack on the airbase in Crimea ?
The revenge will be fierce full.
I fear the answer to this attack will at least be a massive missile attack on Kyiv-The worst case is use of nukes.
Markus
...
Between February 24 and August 10, Ukraine’s Armed Forces eliminated about 42,800 Russian troops, including 160 in the past day alone.
https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/russians-moving-air-defense-systems-to-front-lines-adviser-to-mariupol-mayor.html
I see here continue to swallow Ukro fakes... wipe the drool on your chin...
:har:
I see here continue to swallow Ukro fakes... wipe the drool on your chin...
:har:
So what do you think the number of Russian casualties is?
Pentagon is estimating upwards of 80,000 Russians killed or wounded since February.
The Russian people only know what the government want them to know!! :hmmm:
The Russian people only know what the government want them to know!! :hmmm:
I'm sure I could look up the official pravda but i'm curious as to what he thinks that number is.
Jimbuna
08-11-22, 06:49 AM
I'm sure I could look up the official pravda but i'm curious as to what he thinks that number is.
I'd wager they'd/Pravda be way below the wests assessment of the number.
Jimbuna
08-11-22, 06:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msTDOyc_vDw
Jimbuna
08-11-22, 07:07 AM
Rashists want to hold "trial" of Ukrainian defenders in Mariupol on August 24, - Mayor Boychenko
Russian invaders are preparing the so-called "trial" of Ukrainian prisoners of war in Mariupol on August 24.
As Censor.NET informs with reference to UT, this was announced by Mayor Vadym Boychenko.
"Our pearl (chamber philharmonic hall. - Ed.), where only cultural events took place, is being turned into a place of "performances" called the trial of our prisoners of war, of whom, unfortunately, there are many in the prisons that the occupiers created around Mariupol.
More than 10,000 are in prisons, many of them military personnel. And they want to hold their Sabbath in Mariupol somewhere on our holiday, Independence Day," the head of the city said.
According to Boychenko, the occupiers are preparing this shameful event for August 24, but are also considering other dates.
Regarding the possible reasons, the mayor noted that it was obviously due to the lack of victories of the Russian Federation at the front to show at least some "achievements" - the victory over the prisoners. At the same time, such actions are a war crime, the mayor emphasized. Because there was an agreement with representatives of the Red Cross and the UN that the prisoners who laid down their arms will go exclusively to Ukraine, that is, they should not be tried.
At the same time, the invaders canceled the agreements reached. The second goal of the occupiers, according to Boychenko, is to frighten other heroes who today defend the Ukrainian state.
Jimbuna
08-11-22, 07:10 AM
Parliament of Latvia recognized Russia as state sponsor of terrorism
The Parliament of Latvia recognized Russia’s violence against the civilian population of Ukraine and other countries as terrorism, and Russia itself as a state that supports terrorism.
This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to TvNet.
Earlier, in an official statement, The Parliament Commission on Foreign Affairs recognized Russia's violence against the civilian population of Ukraine and other countries as terrorism, and Russia as a state that supports terrorism.
The commission's statement emphasizes that Russia purposefully uses suffering and intimidation as a tool in its attempts to demoralize the Ukrainian people and the Armed Forces, to paralyze Ukraine's ability to act to occupy its territory.
The deputies categorically condemn Russia's military aggression and the large-scale invasion of Ukraine, which is carried out with the support and participation of the Belarusian regime, and also call on the Euro-Atlantic community and its partners to urgently strengthen and introduce comprehensive sanctions against Russia in order to prevent the Russian army from continuing its military aggression.
The commission recognized Russia as a state that supports terrorism, also in connection with its long-term support and financing of terrorist regimes and organizations - Russia is the largest supplier of weapons to the Assad regime in Syria, carried out terrorist attacks in sovereign countries, including the poisoning of the Skripal family in Great Britain and shot down a Malaysia Airlines plane, killing 298 people.
I had hopes that I would find it on yt. TV2News a Danish news channel had an ½ hours interview with three MOD. The Ukrainian the British and the Danish.
Both-The British and the Danish said they will support Ukraines effort to take Crimea what ever it takes.
Markus
Anti-radiation missiles (ARMs) home in on enemy radio frequency emissions, primarily from radar arrays belonging to enemy air defense systems, and destroy or disable them.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/u-s-confirms-air-launched-anti-radiation-missiles-sent-to-ukraine
Thought that Ukraine already had this type of missiles.
Markus
Jimbuna
08-11-22, 12:36 PM
I had hopes that I would find it on yt. TV2News a Danish news channel had an ½ hours interview with three MOD. The Ukrainian the British and the Danish.
Both-The British and the Danish said they will support Ukraines effort to take Crimea what ever it takes.
Markus
The Danish can go first then.
The Danish can go first then.
They will together with boots from UK, France and other countries in Europe. Be on the ground in UA withing the next 6-9 month of this I'm convince.
Markus
Jimbuna
08-11-22, 12:41 PM
They will together with boots from UK, France and other countries in Europe. Be on the ground in UA withing the next 6-9 month of this I'm convince.
Markus
Well I'm certainly not convinced.
Jimbuna
08-11-22, 12:48 PM
Two squadrons of newest Su-35s were destroyed in Ukraine, occupiers will take to sky outdated bombers, - General Staff
The Air Force of Ukraine destroys the latest Russian bombers, so the enemy has to attract old models from the reserves.
This was announced by the Deputy Chief of the Main Operational Department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksii Hromov, during a briefing, Censor.NET reports.
According to him, the aggressor plans to use outdated Su-24M bombers for combat operations in Ukraine, because he lost two squadrons of the latest Su-35, about 24 units.
"Over the past week, the air defense forces of Ukraine have destroyed 27 air targets. In connection with the significant losses of aviation equipment, the occupiers are considering the option of using outdated bombers - Su-24M, which were removed from the combat team of the aggressor during 2005-2018," Hromov said.
He also emphasized that the Su-35 did not perform too well on the battlefield. Previously, only 9 of the 24 aircraft that Russia supplied to China were serviceable. Most often, their use was refused due to malfunctions of onboard systems.
Well I'm certainly not convinced.
I hope I'm wrong.
I had really hoped I could find this interview-Cause then you would see with your own eyes and ears it's your Defence Minister who spoke strongly about supporting UA and their effort to take Crimea--The Danish MOD only occurred in what the British said.
I could link to it-But it's behind a paywall(streaming service)
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Jimbuna
08-11-22, 12:57 PM
Talk is easy for politicians, they don't get sent to do the fighting.
Jimbuna
08-11-22, 01:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhZVoA3vDC0
WASHINGTON, Aug 11 (Reuters) - The United States supports calls for a demilitarized zone around Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant after fighting involving Russian and Ukrainian forces in the vicinity of the plant, a State Department spokesperson said on Thursday.
“Fighting near a nuclear plant is dangerous and irresponsible – and we continue to call on Russia to cease all military operations at or near Ukrainian nuclear facilities and return full control to Ukraine, and support Ukrainian calls for a demilitarized zone around the nuclear power plant," the spokesperson said. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-backs-calls-demilitarized-zone-around-ukraine-nuclear-power-plant-state-dept-2022-08-11/
I'd wager they'd/Pravda be way below the wests assessment of the number.
Of course. I was just wondering if they were the same.
Of course. I was just wondering if they were the same.
The Ukrainian version of Pravda is way more reliable than the Rusky version.
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I am in need of your help. I'm trying to find the article or video clip where Putin says he are interested in the Baltic States- I can't find it and to be honest I doubt he have said it and I wonder if I got a false memory
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Skybird
08-11-22, 05:35 PM
Because of her criticism of Russia's war against the Ukaine, former Russian TV journalist Marina Ovsyannikova must be placed under house arrest for the time being until October 9. That was the decision of a court in Moscow on Thursday, Russian agencies reported. The detention is part of a criminal case in which Ovsyannikova, 44, is charged with allegedly spreading false information about the Russian armed forces. She faces between five and ten years in prison, according to the Interfax agency. Ovsyannikova was arrested on Wednesday.
Danish BT wrote:
Embarrassing defeat for Putin: 'We will remember this for a very long time'
"The Russians have been promised that this was just a special operation. They had nothing to fear. Now they're fleeing in swim shorts and having to sit in hour-long queues to get out of Crimea."
It has shocked the ordinary Russian. It has shaken the Russian defence. It has probably also shaken Vladimir Putin himself.
He has certainly been humiliated.
Because the huge explosions that hit the occupied Crimean peninsula on Tuesday have hit the Russian president's narrative about the invasion.
The special operation, which was supposed to be over in a few days, has now resulted in ordinary Russian beachgoers having to flee their holidays.
So far, Ukraine has not officially taken the blame for the explosions at the Saki airbase on the Crimean peninsula.
But it is clear that Russia has suffered heavy losses.
At least seven fighter jets have been confirmed destroyed via satellite imagery. Several more are damaged.
Tuesday's explosions in Crimea are among the three biggest victories for Ukraine since Russia invaded on 24 February.
"There was the sinking of the ship 'Moskva' in the Black Sea, there was the helicopter attack on Russian soil in Belgorod, and then there is Crimea,"
For many Russians, they are realising that this is war. The sinking of the 'Moscow' cruiser was something distant for many. But fleeing Russian tourists in swimming trunks is something most people can relate to.
"This is a huge victory for Ukraine. And it's a big, humiliating and embarrassing defeat for Putin,"
After the illegal annexation of the Crimean peninsula in 2014, the Russian president has considered the Crimean case closed. Crimea is Russian, he believes. Period.
Putin has underlined this attitude by encouraging ordinary Russians to spend their holidays on the beaches of the Crimean peninsula, next to the Black Sea.
But with Tuesday's explosions, that illusion is gone.
It may also be an indicator of a new situation in the war.
"Ukraine feels right now that they have a tailwind. If we assume that they were behind the explosions in Crimea, it is new and spectacular that they can attack so deep behind enemy lines. Several hundred kilometres,"
"At the same time, the Russians have to ask themselves: 'What is the next thing Ukraine can hit?' And here they probably fear the Crimean bridge from Russia. It's a huge symbol that Putin himself helped to open,"
But above all, the explosions at the air base in Crimea are a rude awakening. Not just for Vladimir Putin. But for Russia as a whole.
"It has made ordinary Russians aware that there is a war. The images of people in swimming trunks fleeing are ones we will remember for a very long time,"
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Markus
The Ukrainian version of Pravda is way more reliable than the Rusky version.
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I am in need of your help. I'm trying to find the article or video clip where Putin says he are interested in the Baltic States- I can't find it and to be honest I doubt he have said it and I wonder if I got a false memory
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Markus
I remember something like that too Markus, something along the lines that the Russian Federation allows the Baltic states to be in NATO although they are rightfully Russian property. Similar spiel as their rhetoric on Ukraine.
Catfish
08-12-22, 03:59 AM
Moldovia should join Romania..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/signs-romania-is-readying-to-defend-moldova-against-russia/ar-AA10yjNx?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6f31601f6d1a466c849728fa4595daf0
Jimbuna
08-12-22, 04:10 AM
90% of population was evacuated from big cities of Luhansk region, - Haidai
The Russian occupiers continue preparations for the "referendum" despite the small number of residents in the occupied towns and villages.
This was announced by the head of the Luhansk RMA, Serhii Haidai, Censor.NET reports.
According to him, the occupiers are not preparing for the heating season in the occupied territories of the region, but actively demonstrate their care for the population with free bread, hot lunches that will be distributed in Severodonetsk, and the opportunity to take a shower once every three months.
I remember something like that too Markus, something along the lines that the Russian Federation allows the Baltic states to be in NATO although they are rightfully Russian property. Similar spiel as their rhetoric on Ukraine.
You right He never said it directly. Furthermore I suddenly remembered something with the Russian Dumas had invalidated Lithuania's independence
So me start searching and found this
"We are the successors of the USSR. We have the right to annul the decisions of the Soviet Union which are essential for us here and now," Yevgeny Fyodorov, the Russian MP who tabled the bill, told Russian daily Komsomolskaya pravda at the time.
https://euobserver.com/world/155227
This step by the Russian Dumas, isn't this a hint ?
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Skybird
08-12-22, 10:22 AM
FOCUS writes:
According to " Bloomberg ", European intelligence officers have already reported arms shipments across the Bosporus strait. According to the report, a commercial ship sanctioned by the U.S. is said to have sailed from the Syrian port of Tartus to Russia. On board: military vehicles for Vladimir Putin.
The voyage of the "Sparta 2" to the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk shows how the Kremlin is struggling to find new weapons and what difficulties the Kremlin leader is in with regard to the defense industry. It is unclear exactly which war vehicles are involved. However, at least eleven vehicles are believed to have been unloaded at the port. This is shown by satellite images available to intelligence officials, according to "Bloomberg."
Explosive: NATO member Turkey could have been involved in the transport, at least passively, since the weapons shipment was not stopped. Ankara had closed the Bosporus shortly after the start of the war on February 24, but only for warships. Merchant ships are allowed to pass through the strait. A Turkish official pointed out that such shipments would only be investigated if there were suspicions of wrongdoing, "Bloomberg" reported.
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One crow doesn't scratch out another crow's eye. I refuse to rule out Turkey delivering drones to Russia. Erdoghan can be trusted with any betrayal of the West.
The Ukrainian is mocking the Russian vacation guest in Crimea
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1557621932429819907
Unless they want an unpleasantly hot summer break, we advise our valued russian guests not to visit Ukrainian Crimea.
Because no amount of sunscreen will protect them from the hazardous effects of smoking in unauthorised areas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxJ5drQG8sA
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Jimbuna
08-13-22, 05:27 AM
Warning: This article contains graphic images and descriptions of sexual abuse and violence
Ex-inmates reveal details of Russia prison rape scandal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62465043
Jimbuna
08-13-22, 05:29 AM
Ukraine war: Predicting Russia's next step in Ukraine
Neither Russia nor Ukraine is likely to achieve any decisive military action in Ukraine this year, the UK's head of military intelligence has told the BBC.
Speaking in a rare public interview, Lt Gen Sir Jim Hockenhull also said he had been keeping a very close eye on Russia's potential use of nuclear weapons.
On 23 February this year, Gen Hockenhull had been working late into the night. He cycled home at midnight, and went to bed at about 01:00.
He got a phone call an hour later saying there had been some odd indicators of activity on the Ukrainian border, so he got back on his bicycle and returned to work.
The confirmation came that Russia had indeed invaded its neighbour.
Minutes later, and still in the early hours of the morning, he was briefing Britain's prime minister and defence secretary on the beginning of Europe's biggest armed conflict since World War Two.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62520743
Skybird
08-13-22, 10:03 AM
https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/08/02/what-would-push-the-west-and-russia-to-nuclear-war
Or as an alternative title: The 101 of sleepwalking.
The problem is that there are apparently no alternative figures to Putin who are more moderate than he is. If that would have been the case, one could hope that in case of an escalation threatening Russia's mere existence these figures would launch a coup and remove Putin from power. But it seems the league of wonderful Russian gentleman likely to replace him are at least as nuts and criminal and brutal as Putin is.
My way would be to put Ukraine under the prteciton of the West'S nuclear umbrella, malkign it clear that any nuclear attack against Ukraine would be reacted to like a nuclear attackl on NATO, and to increase massively the military aid for Ukraine to kill more Russian invaders in shorter time.
I would also consider to give ukraine the means to strike nuclear powerplants inside Russia, so that Ukraine can demand Russia to give up the military hijacking of Ukrainian powerplants by threatening to attack not Saporischschia, but Russian nuclear powerplants ifd the Russian do leave Saporischschia. Crazy, you say? Welcome to playing against the Russians. Without such determination I fear we all will lose this war. And then its onyl a question of time before the next Russian invasion. Georgia maybe. The Baltic. Poland.
Putin plays scared chicken. Lets set course to frontally hit him, press the pedal to the metal and throw away the steering wheel. Then we will see how determined he really is. Even a psychopath seeks to survive as lopng as he sees the chance, else he cannot continue to play his viscous games.
Jimbuna
08-13-22, 11:22 AM
Ukraine says it has taken out vital bridge in occupied Kherson
Ukraine says it has taken out another bridge that is vital for Russian forces occupying the southern Kherson region.
It says the bridge on the dam at Nova Kakhovka - which it has attacked before - is now impassable. The claim has not been independently verified.
It comes just weeks after the key Antonivsky Bridge was put out of action by Ukrainian forces.
Ukraine is waging a counter-offensive towards Kherson city, which Russia captured in the early days of the war.
"The destruction of the road bridge of the Nova Kakhovka dam was ensured, with the result that it was taken out of operation," the Ukrainian army's Operational Command South posted to Facebook.
In a daily intelligence update, UK defence officials said Ukrainian precision strikes were likely to have made the road crossing over the Dnieper River "unusable for heavy military vehicles". Nova Kakhovka lies about 55km (34 miles) north-east of Kherson.
Russian forces had only succeeded in making superficial repairs to the main Antonivsky Bridge, the officials said, which Western military sources said was "completely unusable" after a Himars artillery rocket attack last month.
The main rail bridge near Kherson was also further damaged last week, the UK update said.
"Even if Russia manages to make significant repairs to the bridges, they will remain a key vulnerability," the UK defence ministry said.
It added that thousands of Russian troops west of the river were now "almost certainly reliant on just two pontoon ferry crossing points" for ground resupplies.
Military analysts say there is a growing risk of the troops being cut off from the rest of main Russian occupying forces.
The attack is part of a Ukrainian effort to isolate Russian troops, with the ultimate goal of recapturing the entire region.
If it proves successful the ambitious campaign would provide a boost for Kyiv by retaking from Russia the only regional capital it has so far captured since the invasion in February.
Kherson, which had a population of about 290,000 before the war, is currently administered by Moscow-backed officials.
Last month, Russia said its military focus was no longer only on eastern Ukraine but on its southern regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia too.
According to Russia's Tass news agency, officials in Kherson city have started moving forward with plans to hold a referendum on formally joining Russia.
The US has accused Russia of preparing to annex parts of occupied Ukraine illegally.
But Iryna Vereshchuk, Ukrainian minister for reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories, said this week that any referendum held in occupied-regions would never be internationally recognised.
She also advised Ukrainians remaining in Russian-held areas to evacuate, adding that 5,300 people had left the Kherson region in the last five days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62533670
I remember something like that too Markus, something along the lines that the Russian Federation allows the Baltic states to be in NATO although they are rightfully Russian property. Similar spiel as their rhetoric on Ukraine.The Baltic States of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invaded and occupied in June 1940 by the Soviet Union, under the leadership of Stalin and auspices of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that had been signed between Nazi Germany and the USSR immediately before the outbreak of World War II. That is the spiel... call it megalomania.
Ukraine says it has taken out vital bridge in occupied Kherson
Ukraine says it has taken out another bridge that is vital for Russian forces occupying the southern Kherson region.
It says the bridge on the dam at Nova Kakhovka - which it has attacked before - is now impassable. The claim has not been independently verified.
It comes just weeks after the key Antonivsky Bridge was put out of action by Ukrainian forces.
Ukraine is waging a counter-offensive towards Kherson city, which Russia captured in the early days of the war.
"The destruction of the road bridge of the Nova Kakhovka dam was ensured, with the result that it was taken out of operation," the Ukrainian army's Operational Command South posted to Facebook.
In a daily intelligence update, UK defence officials said Ukrainian precision strikes were likely to have made the road crossing over the Dnieper River "unusable for heavy military vehicles". Nova Kakhovka lies about 55km (34 miles) north-east of Kherson.
Russian forces had only succeeded in making superficial repairs to the main Antonivsky Bridge, the officials said, which Western military sources said was "completely unusable" after a Himars artillery rocket attack last month.
The main rail bridge near Kherson was also further damaged last week, the UK update said.
"Even if Russia manages to make significant repairs to the bridges, they will remain a key vulnerability," the UK defence ministry said.
It added that thousands of Russian troops west of the river were now "almost certainly reliant on just two pontoon ferry crossing points" for ground resupplies.
Military analysts say there is a growing risk of the troops being cut off from the rest of main Russian occupying forces.
The attack is part of a Ukrainian effort to isolate Russian troops, with the ultimate goal of recapturing the entire region.
If it proves successful the ambitious campaign would provide a boost for Kyiv by retaking from Russia the only regional capital it has so far captured since the invasion in February.
Kherson, which had a population of about 290,000 before the war, is currently administered by Moscow-backed officials.
Last month, Russia said its military focus was no longer only on eastern Ukraine but on its southern regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia too.
According to Russia's Tass news agency, officials in Kherson city have started moving forward with plans to hold a referendum on formally joining Russia.
The US has accused Russia of preparing to annex parts of occupied Ukraine illegally.
But Iryna Vereshchuk, Ukrainian minister for reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories, said this week that any referendum held in occupied-regions would never be internationally recognised.
She also advised Ukrainians remaining in Russian-held areas to evacuate, adding that 5,300 people had left the Kherson region in the last five days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62533670
Military leadership of the Russian occupying forces in southern Ukraine have moved their posts to the left [eastern] bank of the Dnipro river.
The Baltic States of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invaded and occupied in June 1940 by the Soviet Union, under the leadership of Stalin and auspices of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that had been signed between Nazi Germany and the USSR immediately before the outbreak of World War II. That is the spiel... call it megalomania.
Actually it goes back before that. Al those territories were once ruled by the Russian Czarist empire. Poland, Finland and Sweden too. Putin wants a return to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjDjnhOzqIU
Somebody should tell him that his army is in terrible shape, any dream of recreating great Russia empire will not come true. Not with the army he has today.
Markus
Actually it goes back before that. Al those territories were once ruled by the Russian Czarist empire. Poland, Finland and Sweden too. Putin wants a return to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjDjnhOzqIUBefore that they were Baltic Dominions of the Swedish Empire
Somebody should tell him that his army is in terrible shape, any dream of recreating great Russia empire will not come true. Not with the army he has today.
Markus
Yep, but I imagine that telling him something like that would probably earn you a one way ticket to Siberia. Guess that is an inherent problem for tyrants. Everybody around them is just too scared to tell them when they have a bad idea.
Somebody should tell him that his army is in terrible shape, any dream of recreating great Russia empire will not come true. Not with the army he has today.
MarkusIf they can not see that themselves, I can not see anyone making that clear not only the army but the rest under their leadership is in shambles
Yep, but I imagine that telling him something like that would probably earn you a one way ticket to Siberia. Guess that is an inherent problem for tyrants. Everybody around them is just too scared to tell them when they have a bad idea.
Well according to a Danish newspaper some Russian billionair have said the war in Ukraine is a big mistake and he compare Putin with Hitler.
When I read it I thought-Oh man one way ticket to Gulag is on its way.
Or he suddenly becomes very ill
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Found the article
The majority of high-profile people in the country have remained silent over the war, avoiding criticism of the Kremlin.
There is one simple explanation, according to Mr Mints: "They are all afraid."
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62037169
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Markus
Latest news from Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69p1YTT3dbc
Sorry for the f-word in the picture
Markus
Reports are circulating that Kherson’s occupation leadership fled south over the Dnieper River as Ukrainians strangle fragile supply lines. The Russian frontline in Kherson may be on its last legs as Ukrainian forces continue their counteroffensive toward the Dnieper River.
Previous Ukrainian attacks crippled both main bridges near the occupied city and the road crossing upriver at the Nova Kakhovka hydroelectric plant. Despite the Russians’ confounding use of radar reflectors near the bridges, subsequent strikes have occupied forces reliant on ferries to keep supplies and personnel moving, if barely at all. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-kherson-bridges-out-russians-face-supply-nightmare
Skybird
08-13-22, 05:55 PM
Ukraine is in danger to lose the war due to the economy not being able to support the war any longer, says a study by the Centre for Economic Policy Research.
https://cepr.org/system/files/2022-08/RapidResponse2.pdf
If the country continues to operate as it has been, "a major crisis will occur that will devastate Ukraine's ability to sustain its war effort over an extended period of time." In other words, Ukraine will lose this war unless it can improve its economic situation.
For example, the widespread destruction of the country's once strong steel production and major oil refineries by Russian missiles, as well as blockades of Ukrainian ports, have led to a drastic decline in economic output. Exporting sectors in particular have been affected, he said. In addition, many industrial construction projects have been frozen, further burdening the economy in the country.
Meanwhile, the labor market is under enormous pressure. According to estimates by the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU), more than one million workers have been laid off, and more than half of companies have cut wages since the war began, in some cases by up to 50 percent. The unemployment rate was estimated at 35 percent in June 2022. The bright spot at the moment is the IT sector, which remains strong.
These measures are intended to strengthen the economy in Ukraine:
The country needs to mobilize more resources in light of this desolate economic situation to pay for the enormous military expenditures and help the war-affected population, the study authors write. In doing so, they go on to outline measures that should put Ukraine's economy on a sustainable course for the duration of the war.
1. drastic tax increases
Among the proposals are drastic tax increases , ideally easily administered. In addition to taxing luxury goods more heavily, the authors suggest making people with high incomes pay more. The government should "make taxes more progressive so that the burden of war falls more heavily on those with more resources. This is desirable both for reasons of justice and social solidarity," it says. Currently, Ukraine has a flat income tax with a rate of 18 percent. However, exceptions and loopholes would also have to be examined and closed.
2. significantly reduce expenditures
With regard to government spending, " prudence and restraint should be the guiding principles." Therefore, the researchers suggest, for example, postponing regular maintenance of roads, bridges and other infrastructure until the war is over.
They also believe that financial support for refugees and internally displaced persons should be reorganized. Currently, they receive a kind of basic income. "While this approach was appropriate in the first chaotic days of the war, the cost of basic income is high," they argue. There would be no distinction between vulnerable and relatively wealthy refugees. In the future, the basic income should be linked, for example, to finding a job and doing public work.
Ukraine could save further by "transferring the cost of some services , normally borne by the public sector, to external parties." Doctors Without Borders could provide basic medical care, while the United Nations (UN) and the Red Cross provide and pay for medical supplies. Expenditures for cultural programs, such as the protection of museums and galleries, on the other hand, could be borne by international organizations and NGOs. For this, Ukraine should turn to and appeal to its allies in the West.
3. print less money and liberalize the market
The researchers are also critical of the fact that Ukraine is printing more and more money in order to be able to continue financing military expenditures. The danger is too great that the economy will be devastated by high inflation as a result.
Instead, the economy should be heavily deregulated, for example, by reducing bureaucratic hurdles. "As a result of the Russian invasion, there is currently little to no economic activity in some sectors and areas of Ukraine. The resources that are freed up need to be deployed elsewhere, and government policies should facilitate this redistribution of resources on a large scale," they explain.
The government had indeed encouraged companies to relocate to western Ukraine, where security risks are lower. However, this political call has had "only modest effects" so far. For example, fewer than 1,000 companies have relocated so far, he said. "This problem can be addressed by radical liberalization of markets," the experts advise. As part of this, they also suggest that the government appoint a high-ranking official (e.g., a "deregulation chief") to coordinate and drive deregulation.
4. appoint administrators for Russian assets in the country.
Since the beginning of the war, Ukraine has seized assets from companies and individuals who worked for the Russian side. "Liquidating these assets will likely take some time and generate limited revenue at the moment," the authors write. A more productive approach, in their view, would therefore be for the Ukrainian government to appoint administrators for these assets. They could then, for example, continue the business of a company - or appoint someone to take over this task.
Jimbuna
08-14-22, 05:54 AM
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russia of using "nuclear blackmail" at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant - Europe's largest.
Russia seized the plant in March and has been accused of turning it into a base from where it hits nearby towns.
Both countries have traded blame for shelling it in recent days, prompting UN warnings of a nuclear disaster.
Mr Zelensky says any Russian soldier who shoots at or under the cover of the plant will be a "special target".
The six-nuclear reactor Zaporizhzhia station is located in the city of Enerhodar, on the eastern bank of the Dnieper River (Dnipro in Ukrainian) in southern Ukraine.
Russia invaded Ukraine on 24 February, seizing the plant within days. Moscow has kept Ukrainian personnel to operate the facility.
The UN has warned that continued hostilities around the station could lead to a nuclear disaster affecting much of Europe.
Russia has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing at the plant.
It says it seized control of the plant to prevent leaks of radioactive materials during fighting in the region.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62537495
Jimbuna
08-14-22, 11:48 AM
What weapons are being given to Ukraine by the UK?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61482305
Skybird
08-15-22, 07:12 AM
https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/07/28/the-kremlin-drafts-a-much-loved-icon-for-war-propaganda
This most numinous of Russian icons is now serving the darkest cause: Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine. On July 16th the icon, which had been in the State Tretyakov Gallery since 1929, was moved on Kremlin orders (and against the will of restorers) to the Trinity Lavra of St Sergius, the spiritual centre of Russia’s Orthodox church. There it was venerated during the feast of St Sergius, a Russian saint who influenced Rublev. Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian church and a supporter of the war, said the icon “connects us to the time when our Russia, in great danger from foreign and domestic enemies, was concentrating on becoming a great power”.
Curators warned that dragging the icon to the church from the museum, where it was kept at a precise temperature and humidity, could damage it. Dragging Russia into obscurantism is just as damaging. The move had little to do with Christianity, and everything to do with Mr Putin’s cult of war.
Sergei Parkhomenko, a liberal journalist, compared Mr Putin to a pharoah trying to “bribe” a deity: “Either he is very afraid of losing the war, and is asking for help. Or he is deciding to do something very scary—scary even to himself—and seeks forgiveness in advance.” Russia’s president recently warned that his invasion “has not even started in earnest”. He might want to heed the words of Voltaire, who was more sceptical of religion: “God is on the side not of the heavy battalions, but of the best shots.”
Jimbuna
08-15-22, 01:18 PM
Ukraine hits Russian Wagner mercenary HQ in east
Ukrainian artillery has struck a headquarters of Russia's shadowy Wagner paramilitary group of mercenaries in eastern Ukraine, reports say.
The extent of damage to the military base of the group - which has been linked to war crimes - is not clear.
Luhansk's governor claims its secret location was revealed after a Russian journalist shared its address.
Last week, pro-Kremlin correspondent Sergei Sreda posted a photo on Telegram of the base with its apparent address.
The image, shared on the social media site but since deleted, shows five people in military uniform with a street sign in Popasna, Luhansk visible in the top left corner.
The BBC has not been able to confirm whether the strike, which has been reported by both the Ukrainian Luhansk governor and pro-Kremlin war reporters, was initiated as a result of the image.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62547403
Jimbuna
08-15-22, 01:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkwWXFuL63c
Jimbuna
08-16-22, 06:49 AM
President Vladimir Putin has said he will expand Russia's relations with North Korea.
In a letter to Kim Jong-un on Pyongyang's liberation day, Mr Putin said the move would be in both countries' interests.
In reply, Mr Kim said the friendship between the two countries had been "consolidated and developed" over centuries.
The Soviet Union was once a major communist ally of North Korea, offering aid, cultural exchange and economic cooperation.
Jimbuna
08-16-22, 06:57 AM
Russia blames sabotage for new Crimea blasts
A week after an apparent Ukrainian attack on a Russian military base in occupied Crimea, an arms store on another depot has been hit by a series of explosions.
Russian officials said a fire triggered the blasts in the Dzhankoi area - before later blaming "sabotage".
A separate fire broke out at power substation and a railway was damaged.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62560041
Jimbuna
08-16-22, 07:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM9ztApGf5g
38,297 cars have crossed the Crimea bridge on 15th August, Russian state media TASS reports, citing the local department of road management this is a record amount of cars to cross the bridge in one day. The Russian "settlers" are leaving Crimea there are some 600,000 Russians residing in Crimea air and rail traffic is already mostly suspended.
KYIV, Ukraine — Two people were reported injured and infrastructure severely damaged early Tuesday when a major blast rocked an ammunition depot in Russian-occupied Crimea in what the Kremlin called an “act of sabotage.” A senior Ukrainian government official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter, said the explosions were the work of Ukrainian special forces operating deep behind enemy lines — the same forces believed responsible for a powerful attack against a Russian air base in western Crimea last week that signaled a shift in Ukraine’s strategic capabilities. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/16/crimea-depot-explosion-ukraine-russia-dzhankoi/
Another day, another Russian arms depot up in smoke. The latest attack, this time on an ammunition storage site near Mayskoye on the Crimean Peninsula, highlights three particular aspects of this phase of the war, and the degree to which Kyiv is adapting quicker and more effectively than Moscow.
The first is that the long-heralded Ukrainian counter-attack is, so far, less about a melee on the ground and more about a methodical attempt to target Russian supply lines. Until now, this has been through missile and rocket strikes, although Moscow’s claim that the Mayskoye attack was carried out by ‘saboteurs’ would – if true – represent an interesting new approach. (And a serious embarrassment for the Russian security forces, given that the alleged attackers apparently also managed to disappear.) https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ukraine-has-found-russia-s-achilles-heel-in-crimea
Jimbuna
08-16-22, 12:02 PM
Russia and United States must sit down at negotiating table to end war in Ukraine - Italian Prime Minister Draghi
The United States and Russia need to talk to each other to try to end the war in Ukraine.
This opinion was expressed by the Prime Minister of Italy Mario Draghi, the day after a meeting with US President Joe Biden, Censor.NET reports, citing European Truth.
Draghi told a news conference that he and Joe Biden acknowledge that the path to peace is very difficult. But he said everyone needed to make an effort to help Russia and Ukraine find a solution to end the war.
"There are so many opportunities, but before we get to that point, we need to make an effort, and all allies, including Russia and the United States, need to sit down," Draghi said.
Jimbuna
08-16-22, 12:15 PM
War in Ukraine revealed truth about Russia and Europe, - Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki
According to Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, the war in Ukraine revealed the truth about Europe. For many years, the EU refused to heed warnings about the Russian threat.
"The war in Ukraine revealed the truth about Russia. Those who did not want to see that there were imperialist tendencies in Putin's state should face the truth. The demons of the 19th and 20th centuries have been reborn in Russia - nationalism and colonialism are becoming bigger and more visible. But (this) war also revealed the truth about Europe. Many European leaders were seduced by Vladimir Putin. Now they are shocked," Moravetsky emphasized.
"The return of Russian imperialism should not surprise us. Europe found itself in the current situation not because it was not integrated enough, but because it did not want to listen to the voice of truth. This voice has been coming from Poland for many years," the head of the Polish government emphasized.
"This ignoring of Poland's voice is an illustration of the bigger problem that the EU is facing today (...) Political practice shows that the votes of Germany and France matter a lot. So we are dealing with a formal democracy and de facto an oligarchy in which power is exercised by the strongest," the Prime Minister said.
Morawiecki defended the principle of unanimity in the EU, which guaranteed that "every voice will be heard and the adopted decision will meet the minimum expectations of each member state."
"If all of Europe had followed Germany's vote, (then) not only Nord Stream 1, but also Nord Stream 2 would have been launched many months ago. Europe's dependence on Russian gas, which Putin uses as a tool blackmail against the entire continent, would be almost irreversible," the prime minister emphasized, also criticizing Germany's position in the sphere of supplying arms to Ukraine.
Military air base in the village of Hvardiyske in Simferopol district is on fire, Bellingcat says that 12 Russian SU-24M and 12 SU-25SM aircraft are at the airbase. President's Office (PO) hinted Ukraine was behind explosions in Crimea while Russia says it was sabotage "Operation 'demilitarization' of Ukraine Armed Forces will continue until full de-occupation. Our soldiers are the best sponsors of good mood. Crimea is Ukraine," PO Head
https://i.postimg.cc/k4KWcDN2/Hvardiyske.png
Jimbuna
08-16-22, 12:47 PM
Estonia has decided to remove Soviet-era war monuments from public places.
The move is aimed at preventing them "from mobilising more hostility in society and tearing open old wounds" following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the government said.
An iconic T-34 tank in the city of Narva, which borders Russia, was being taken to the Estonian War Museum.
Narva is Estonia's third biggest city, where 97% of its population of about 60,000 people speak Russian.
Estonia regained its independence in 1991 following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The replica tank was taken from a plinth on Tuesday morning and loaded on to a military trailer ahead of its journey 200km (125 miles) to the west, public broadcaster ERR reported. Authorities said they were restricting public access to the area around the tank as well as other local monuments.
Russia's war in Ukraine is stirring tension in Narva in particular, Estonia fears.
In her statement, Prime Minister Kaja Kallas said her government would not "afford Russia the opportunity to use the past to disturb the peace in Estonia".
"Considering the speed of the increasing tensions and confusion around memorials in Narva, we must act quickly to ensure public order and internal security."
Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu said such monuments had been erected to glorify Russian occupation and had no place in Estonia's public space.
Apart from the T-34 tank, the World War Two cemetery will also be relocated with "a neutral grave marker" - an issue that the government acknowledges may create tensions.
Last week, Russia voiced outrage at Estonia's plans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62562909
Jimbuna
08-16-22, 01:14 PM
Guterres in Ukraine will hold talks with Zelensky and Erdogan
UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres will come to Lviv on Thursday, and to Odesa on Friday.
On Thursday, he will hold talks with President Vladimir Zelensky and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. It is not clear whether these talks will be held in an online format or whether the Turkish leader will also come to Ukraine.
Guterres' visit to Ukraine will be devoted to a discussion of the "food agreement", the situation with the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant and the mission from the remand facility in Olenivka.
On August 15, UN Secretary General António Guterres discussed the situation at the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia NPP with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu by phone.
The story behind the Ukrainian attack on the Wagner group and why they got so many.
They are not officially operating in Ukraine as part of the Russian invasion force.
But unofficially, since the start of the large-scale invasion in February, the Wagner group has been among the frontline troops in combat zones.
They have suffered huge losses.
The latest example took place on Sunday in the town of Popasna in Luhansk province in eastern Ukraine.
And it is an example to horror and to warn.
The Wagner group had set up a headquarters in a building in the occupied town, which lies south of Shevjerodonetsk, where fierce fighting was fought earlier in the war, and north of Donetsk in the neighbouring region of the same name.
And here they had confidently been visited by a Russian journalist.
Among other things, the journalist had taken pictures of members of the Wagner group.
And here a small detail, which the Ukrainian army, for example, is very aware of, turned out to have deadly significance.
In one of the shared photos taken by the journalist, the name of the road where the headquarters was located could be seen.
And not long after, the Ukrainian army had allegedly watched.
And then the headquarters of the Wagner group was bombed.
Markus
Jimbuna
08-16-22, 01:28 PM
The story behind the Ukrainian attack on the Wagner group and why they got so many.
Markus
A day late and a dollar short https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2823105&postcount=5619
A day late and a dollar short https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2823105&postcount=5619
The article I toke it from had it posted today.
Markus
Rockstar
08-16-22, 01:45 PM
War in Ukraine revealed truth about Russia and Europe, - Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki
According to Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, the war in Ukraine revealed the truth about Europe. For many years, the EU refused to heed warnings about the Russian threat.
"The war in Ukraine revealed the truth about Russia. Those who did not want to see that there were imperialist tendencies in Putin's state should face the truth. The demons of the 19th and 20th centuries have been reborn in Russia - nationalism and colonialism are becoming bigger and more visible. But (this) war also revealed the truth about Europe. Many European leaders were seduced by Vladimir Putin. Now they are shocked," Moravetsky emphasized.
"The return of Russian imperialism should not surprise us. Europe found itself in the current situation not because it was not integrated enough, but because it did not want to listen to the voice of truth. This voice has been coming from Poland for many years," the head of the Polish government emphasized.
"This ignoring of Poland's voice is an illustration of the bigger problem that the EU is facing today (...) Political practice shows that the votes of Germany and France matter a lot. So we are dealing with a formal democracy and de facto an oligarchy in which power is exercised by the strongest," the Prime Minister said.
Morawiecki defended the principle of unanimity in the EU, which guaranteed that "every voice will be heard and the adopted decision will meet the minimum expectations of each member state."
"If all of Europe had followed Germany's vote, (then) not only Nord Stream 1, but also Nord Stream 2 would have been launched many months ago. Europe's dependence on Russian gas, which Putin uses as a tool blackmail against the entire continent, would be almost irreversible," the prime minister emphasized, also criticizing Germany's position in the sphere of supplying arms to Ukraine.
^. This, for 10 years the Baltic States and Poland warned about Germans playing footsie with Russians AGAIN. The leaders and heads of state (not trolls and bloggers) likened their cozy little relationship to the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Where they agreed to split the land up between themselves. I seen a poll that indicated 65% of Germans are more pro Russian which is probably why we saw such a slow feeble response and political back peddling to the war in Ukraine.
Might also be a big part of the reason Poland sees it necessary to enlarge their military capability having found itself stuck in the middle of two shifty neighbors.
Skybird
08-16-22, 02:17 PM
German and Russian leaders have not secretly decided to split up the land between them like back then, that is nonsense. The sin of the Germans lies in their blind belief in that their ideas and ideals for what the EU should be are so convincing to everybody, Putin included, that not wanting to share these and follow their example (and thus: Geman superior morals), has become practically unimaginable. A maximum of reality denial, missionizing on behalf of an ever greater EU, and an overboarding lecturing attitude, were the results that correlate with a sharp decline of German potentials, capabilities and capacities. Germany is now an eroding and declining state.
In the five new federal states that b efore were the GDR, indeed around two thirds of the population is more pro Russia than pro America or pro democracy in general. Many reasons for this. Transfiguration of the Sovjet occupation of East Germany is one of them, a general German antipathy to capitalism and "cold hearted" rationality are two others. In West Germany, KGB and StaSi operaiton to destabilise society and infiltrate the peace movement as well as the anti atom movement helped to foster a climate of anti-Americanism in the young.
All that now comes to fruits again. The GDR is not dead, is not overcome. If you see it as a mindset, then the GDR has never been as healthy and prospering as today. That Merkels merciless opportunism made the CDU to overtake the SPD on the left lane while eroding the party from within (today it is just a hollow torso), made things worse.
Rockstar
08-16-22, 04:13 PM
What the Baltics and Poland have been warning of is no secret, never was. It was quelled, shrugged off and ignored by Germany and Russia. For them it was getting back to business as usual dividing and conquering Eurasia AGAIN.
You know I’ll be sleeping good tonight :D
A bit of context on Trump, NATO, and Germany
by Tyler Cowen January 17, 2017 at 12:26 am in Current Affairs Economics History
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/01/bit-context-trump-nato.html
I strongly favor NATO and I don’t think you can trust the Russians with just about anything, or for that matter make much of a deal with them. I’m with Mitt Romney on all of this, as I’ve been saying for years.
That said, I feel some of the recent discussions on Trump’s pronouncements have been a bit kontextlos. I would suggest this wee bit of background history:
1. Not too long ago, Germany did have a national leader, Gerhard Schröder, who in essence ended up as a paid agent of Vladimir Putin. After leaving office, he has spent much of the rest of his career working for Gazprom. Try on this bit for size:
Mr Schroeder was Germany’s Social Democrat leader from 1998 until 2005. He is a personal friend of Vladimir Putin and once described the Russian President as a “flawless democrat”. He joined the board of the Russian energy giant Gazprom after losing Germany’s 2005 election and has defended Russia’s response to the crisis in Ukraine on several occasions.
In other words, Germany had its own Trump long before the United States did. You could call Schröder the Ur-Trump, albeit with a different socioeconomic pose.
2. It was Schröder who made the decision to take Germany off nuclear power and also to make the country energy-dependent on Russia:
As Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder was a strong advocate of the Nord Stream pipeline project, which aims to supply Russian gas directly to Germany, thereby bypassing transit countries. The agreement to build the pipeline was signed two weeks before the German parliamentary election. On 24 October 2005, just a few weeks before Schröder stepped down as Chancellor, the German government guaranteed to cover 1 billion euros of the Nord Stream project cost, should Gazprom default on a loan…Soon after stepping down as chancellor, Schröder accepted Gazprom’s nomination for the post of the head of the shareholders’ committee of Nord Stream AG, raising questions about a potential conflict of interest.
Russia now provides 35% of Germany’s oil imports and 39% of the natural gas imports.
I say NATO as an instrument for opposing Russia (not its only purpose, however) mostly ended with the Russian gas deal, because Putin can turn off the spigot any time he wants. Germany, the major European power, can no longer stand up to Russia in a pinch and it cannot do so because of the corruption of one of its major leaders. (Merkel I believe would not have done the same, but it is hard for her to undo this unfortunate situation, though I applaud the toughness she has shown, which at times has been considerable.) Furthermore, earlier U.S. presidents, most of all Bush, didn’t have the stones or the means to do anything about this.
If you’re looking for icing on the cake, try this:
3. Germans today are some of the most anti-American people in Europe, and that doesn’t help the Atlantic alliance either. It’s not uncommon for German citizens to suggest they don’t see much difference between Putin and the United States (NYT), or even may be pro-Putin, and I mean that pre-Trump. So when Trump equates Putin and Merkel, German citizens have been equating American presidents with Putin for a good while now. That’s not an excuse or rationale for Trump’s behavior, but it is worth keeping in mind when thinking about how to reboot the alliance moving forward.
I don’t at all favor what Trump is saying, or how many Republicans don’t seem to be complaining, but NATO has been on the ropes for some time now. On the Russia issue, Trumpismus is far more advanced in Germany than here in the United States. The sorry truth is that some of what Trump is saying is true, though his current rhetoric probably will end up making it worse.
Skybird
08-16-22, 05:34 PM
Russia and United States must sit down at negotiating table to end war in Ukraine - Italian Prime Minister Draghi
The United States and Russia need to talk to each other to try to end the war in Ukraine.
This opinion was expressed by the Prime Minister of Italy Mario Draghi, the day after a meeting with US President Joe Biden, Censor.NET reports, citing European Truth.
Draghi told a news conference that he and Joe Biden acknowledge that the path to peace is very difficult. But he said everyone needed to make an effort to help Russia and Ukraine find a solution to end the war.
"There are so many opportunities, but before we get to that point, we need to make an effort, and all allies, including Russia and the United States, need to sit down," Draghi said.
"and the United States"...???
Russia attacked Ukraine, and refused meaningful negotiations. And now the US should decide over the head of Ukraine and talk to Russia as if the US has any active role in this Russian war?
What Draghi really says is: "Lets force Ukraine to accept Russian terms so that we Europeans can go back to our usual ways again while presuming Russia will not come back to the Ukrainian question again later on. America mjst stop delivering weapons so that Ukraine runs out of them."
I hate Draghi for his criminal policy as head of the ECB, and his illegal state funding. Which means: securing others funding his home nation Italy.
Now he comes with this underhanded verbal stunt. I will not dispise him any less any time soon, it seems. Never understood why everybody is celebrating this guy so much. He should be in jail for conspiracy against Europe and treason on the European treaties. With Lagarde he has found a wortyh successor. :arrgh!:
Skybird
08-16-22, 05:49 PM
What the Baltics and Poland have been warning of is no secret, never was. It was quelled, shrugged off and ignored by Germany and Russia. For them it was getting back to business as usual dividing and conquering Eurasia AGAIN.
You know I’ll be sleeping good tonight :D
A bit of context on Trump, NATO, and Germany
by Tyler Cowen January 17, 2017 at 12:26 am in Current Affairs Economics History
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/01/bit-context-trump-nato.html
I strongly favor NATO and I don’t think you can trust the Russians with just about anything, or for that matter make much of a deal with them. I’m with Mitt Romney on all of this, as I’ve been saying for years.
That said, I feel some of the recent discussions on Trump’s pronouncements have been a bit kontextlos. I would suggest this wee bit of background history:
1. Not too long ago, Germany did have a national leader, Gerhard Schröder, who in essence ended up as a paid agent of Vladimir Putin. After leaving office, he has spent much of the rest of his career working for Gazprom. Try on this bit for size:
Mr Schroeder was Germany’s Social Democrat leader from 1998 until 2005. He is a personal friend of Vladimir Putin and once described the Russian President as a “flawless democrat”. He joined the board of the Russian energy giant Gazprom after losing Germany’s 2005 election and has defended Russia’s response to the crisis in Ukraine on several occasions.
In other words, Germany had its own Trump long before the United States did. You could call Schröder the Ur-Trump, albeit with a different socioeconomic pose.
2. It was Schröder who made the decision to take Germany off nuclear power and also to make the country energy-dependent on Russia:
As Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder was a strong advocate of the Nord Stream pipeline project, which aims to supply Russian gas directly to Germany, thereby bypassing transit countries. The agreement to build the pipeline was signed two weeks before the German parliamentary election. On 24 October 2005, just a few weeks before Schröder stepped down as Chancellor, the German government guaranteed to cover 1 billion euros of the Nord Stream project cost, should Gazprom default on a loan…Soon after stepping down as chancellor, Schröder accepted Gazprom’s nomination for the post of the head of the shareholders’ committee of Nord Stream AG, raising questions about a potential conflict of interest.
Russia now provides 35% of Germany’s oil imports and 39% of the natural gas imports.
I say NATO as an instrument for opposing Russia (not its only purpose, however) mostly ended with the Russian gas deal, because Putin can turn off the spigot any time he wants. Germany, the major European power, can no longer stand up to Russia in a pinch and it cannot do so because of the corruption of one of its major leaders. (Merkel I believe would not have done the same, but it is hard for her to undo this unfortunate situation, though I applaud the toughness she has shown, which at times has been considerable.) Furthermore, earlier U.S. presidents, most of all Bush, didn’t have the stones or the means to do anything about this.
If you’re looking for icing on the cake, try this:
3. Germans today are some of the most anti-American people in Europe, and that doesn’t help the Atlantic alliance either. It’s not uncommon for German citizens to suggest they don’t see much difference between Putin and the United States (NYT), or even may be pro-Putin, and I mean that pre-Trump. So when Trump equates Putin and Merkel, German citizens have been equating American presidents with Putin for a good while now. That’s not an excuse or rationale for Trump’s behavior, but it is worth keeping in mind when thinking about how to reboot the alliance moving forward.
I don’t at all favor what Trump is saying, or how many Republicans don’t seem to be complaining, but NATO has been on the ropes for some time now. On the Russia issue, Trumpismus is far more advanced in Germany than here in the United States. The sorry truth is that some of what Trump is saying is true, though his current rhetoric probably will end up making it worse.
Don'T tell me and us about Schroeder, we know what scum he is. You probably underestimate to what degree he has been socially sanctioned and destroyed over here in public and in media. He is persona non grata and practically everbyody has left him alone. Him party refused to throw him out, however, that is the Scholz party. The disgust is not that great among the comrades after all.
The AfD and the SED want Germany doing business with Russia again - via Nordstream 2.
Schroeder was the one pushing Nordstream 1 through. But the bigger sinner was Merkel: who agreed and opened Nordstream 2 short time after the Russian attack on the crimea. And the vast majority of Germans and the economy followed them. Now we have Bubble-Olaf.
Three duds as chancellor in a row. No wonder that we have problems. Well, I have not legitimized/voted for any of them.
Catfish
08-17-22, 05:03 AM
Another Russian base goes up in smoke in Crimea | Olesksiy Honcharenko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OLsYDMcD2c
Skybird
08-17-22, 05:09 AM
Somebody found a new hobby to reach out and hit, and somebody else formed a new habit to get hit. :D
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 06:18 AM
Norway will provide Ukraine with new package of military aid, - Reznikov Source: https://censor.net/en/n3361296
The Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Oleksii Reznikov, had a telephone conversation with the Minister of Defense of Norway, Bjorn Arild Gram.
"I had a telephone conversation with my friend and colleague, the Minister of Defense of Norway. We are grateful to the Norwegian government for the decision to provide a new package of military aid and training of Ukrainian soldiers," the message states. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3361296
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 06:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnIaimpelbk
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 06:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEgAMB7oSw0
Moonlight
08-17-22, 06:58 AM
Fake News?
Which part of Europe has snow on the ground in August?, people who believe these vids are true should stick to watching The Wacky Races or Scooby Doo as that's the level of their intelligence. :nope:
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 07:10 AM
Thousands of Jews quit Russia amid fears of persecution
Russia is facing the mass migration abroad of large numbers of its Jewish population, with at least one in eight leaving the country since its war with Ukraine began.
The Jewish Agency helps Jews around the world move to Israel. It says an astonishing 20,500 of Russia's estimated total of 165,000 Jews have gone since March.
Thousands more have moved to other countries.
Undoubtedly the spectre of historical Jewish persecution has loomed large in the minds of many of those who are a part of this sudden mass migration and those still trying to get out of Russia.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62564122
The number of helicopters used by the Russian Federation against Ukraine has significantly increased to over 360 now.
The relevant statement was made by Air Force Command Spokesperson Yurii Ihnat during a briefing at Ukraine Media Center, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.
“At the beginning of the full-scale war, Russia’s air formations around Ukraine consisted of 700 aerial vehicles: 450 aircrafts and 250 helicopters. The Air Force and other defense forces have already destroyed lots of enemy aerial vehicles, but the enemy can replenish stocks, bringing aerial vehicles from the middle of the country. Today, there are slightly less planes – 430 – deployed around the border with Ukraine at different airdromes in Belarus, Russia and Crimea. But, the number of helicopters significantly increased to over 360 deployed close to the border with Ukraine,” Ihnat told.
In his words, attack aircrafts and combat helicopters are used to provide support for Russia’s ground troops most often.
According to Ihnat, Russian troops are using different types of aerial vehicles.
“We are recording the use of strategic aircrafts, long-range bombers, Su-34 fighter-bombers, attack aircrafts,” Ihnat added.
Russia’s A-50 airborne early warning and control aircrafts continue to operate in the air space of Belarus and the air space of Russia, Ihnat noted.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3551708-about-430-russian-aircrafts-360-helicopters-concentrated-around-ukraine.html
Russia and Ukraine officials say that an ammunition Russian dump exploded in Crimea. IMoscow blames saboteurs for explosions in Crimea. In occupied Lysychansk, an explosion kills up to 100 Russian soldiers. About 430 Russian aircraft and 360 helicopters are concentrated around Ukraine. South: Ukrainian aircraft attack Russian stronghold, concentrations of manpower. More than 563,000 tonnes of agricultural products have already been exported from Ukraine through ‘grain corridors.’ Russia targets Energoatom in an extensive cyberattack.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/08/17/russo-ukrainian-war-day-175-another-explosion-in-crimea/?swcfpc=1
60 sailors in the Kola Flotilla of the Northern Fleet refused orders to partake in the invasion of Ukraine. They stated that neither their contracts nor their oaths included language obliging them to go die in a foreign country for no reason.
Ukraine is engaged in a counteroffensive aimed at creating “chaos within Russian forces” by striking at the invaders’ supply lines deep into occupied territories, according to a key adviser to the president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy.
Mykhailo Podolyak told the Guardian there could be more attacks in the “next two or three months” similar to Tuesday’s mysterious strikes on a railway junction and an airbase in Crimea, as well as last week’s hit on Russian warplanes at the peninsula’s Saky aerodrome.
Russia said a fire on Tuesday had set off explosions at a munitions depot in the Dzhankoi district of Crimea – an incident that Podolyak said was a reminder that “Crimea occupied by Russians is about warehouse explosions and high risk of death for invaders and thieves”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/creating-chaos-zelenskiys-adviser-outlines-ukraines-military-strategy?CMP=share_btn_tw
MYKOLAIV, Ukraine—Clad in mismatched fatigues, Ukrainian Marine recruits sprawled on the grass, cocking their assault rifles and aiming at targets. Then, to the surprise of their American instructors, one by one they started squeezing the trigger.
“Cease fire!” yelled Steven Tomberlin, 62, a retired police officer from Colorado overseeing this part of the training. “Until I give the command. You. Do. Not. Do. Anything.” When the firing resumed, bullets hit the dirt berm, often far off the mark.
“Most of these people have just been mobilized. They were electricians or tractor drivers yesterday, and many have never held a weapon in their hands,” said Sr. Lt. Anton Solohub, a deputy commander of this Ukrainian Marine battalion, as he watched the first day of a crash course provided by a group of mostly American veterans.
“These instructors have promised that they will turn my men into some kind of special force in 10 days,” Lt. Solohub mused. “Let’s see.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-ukraine-war-american-veterans-volunteers-training-11660743714?st=m6u2ice0ss3g85d&reflink=share_mobilewebshare
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 11:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkC99iuYh8E
Nearly 20 of our fellow experts and national security professionals — whose digital signatures appear at the end of this op-ed — agree: The war in Ukraine has reached a decisive moment and that vital U.S. interests are at stake.
Long before the Kremlin first invaded Ukraine in 2014, we have — from senior positions in the U.S. government and military — followed Moscow’s foreign policy and the grave dangers it presents to the United States and our allies. We have carefully watched Moscow’s major offensive since February and the response of the Biden administration and its allies and partners. We have maintained close touch with Ukrainian, U.S. and European officials. Two of us just returned from meetings with Ukraine’s defense and military leaders.
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3605064-us-must-arm-ukraine-now-before-its-too-late/
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 11:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE4DZ80olzg
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 11:26 AM
UN Secretary General Guterres arrived in Lviv,
The UN Secretary General came to Lviv to meet with the two presidents.
This was reported on the Twitter page of the Office of the Press Secretary of the UN Secretary General, Censor.NET reports.
As you know, the Secretary General of the United Nations has a scheduled meeting with the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky and the President of Turkey Recep Erdogan.
"Antonio Guterres has arrived in Lviv, where he will meet with Zelensky and Erdogan tomorrow," the message reads.
It was previously reported that Erdogan will pay a one-day working visit to Lviv on August 18 at Zelensky's invitation. During the talks, the leaders will discuss all aspects of Turkish-Ukrainian relations, which have the level of strategic partnership, and consider potential steps aimed at increasingly active support of the mechanism formed for the export of Ukrainian grain to world markets. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3361382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE4DZ80olzgThey are not wrong. Sabotage: deliberately destroy, damage, or obstruct (something), especially for political or military advantage.
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 11:29 AM
I tend to look at the source before believing or otherwise.
The Chief Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine predicts that "crucial events" may shortly occur at the fronts.
Source: Andrii Yusov, representative of the press service of the Chief Directorate of Intelligence, on the joint 24/7 newscast
Quote: "It is too early to speak about the retreat of the Russian forces from the territory of Ukraine, but Ukraine will be liberating all its territories occupied by the enemy.
In the very near future, there will certainly be some crucial events on all fronts. These events won’t necessarily be connected to particular dates, though Independence Day [of Ukraine, on 24 August -ed.] is being discussed a great deal at the moment, and this factor should be taken into consideration"
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/17/7363664/
KYIV — For two months, Ukraine has been signaling its intent to recapture the southern city of Kherson in what has been billed as a major counteroffensive and the moment that Kyiv turns the tide against Russia.
What that push will look like is still a mystery, however. Ukrainian artillery and rockets provided by the U.S. and allies have smashed bridges and Russian ammunition depots close to the city, but the larger movement of infantry has yet to happen. Meanwhile, the Russians are reinforcing and digging in.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/16/ukraine-russia-kherson-00052285
Clandestine resistance cells are spotting targets, sabotaging rail lines and killing those deemed collaborators as they seek to unnerve Russian forces.
ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine — They sneak down darkened alleys to set explosives. They identify Russian targets for Ukrainian artillery and long-range rockets provided by the United States. They blow up rail lines and assassinate Ukrainian officials they consider collaborators with the Russians.
Slipping back and forth across the front lines, the guerrilla fighters are known in Ukraine as partisans, and in recent weeks they have taken an ever more prominent role in the war, rattling Russian forces by helping deliver humiliating blows in areas they occupy and thought to be safe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/world/europe/ukraine-partisans-insurgency-russia.html
^ Your comment made me remember a special made documentary for Danish DR1, many years ago.
Danish tv was allowed to follow a special forces operation in UK.
(from memory)
Special forces from Denmark, US and Norway I think was sent to UK to conduct some special operation in this exercise.
They was operating behind the enemies line.
UK sent their Hunters-Here the speaker said-These Hunters are special trained in hunting down special forces from other countries.
With this documentary in memory I wonder
Doesn't Russia have the same ?
Markus
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 12:20 PM
Racists are preparing bloody provocation in occupied Mariupol, - Strategic Committee of AFU
The Armed Forces urge not to trust Russian propaganda.
This was reported by the Center for Strategic Communications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET informs.
"On the order of Gauleiter Balytsky, leaflets are distributed to local residents, which describe how to behave in order to escape from HIMARS. Usually, such actions are superficial evidence of the insidious intentions of the occupiers, they say, we warned you.
Against the background of complete failures on all "fronts", rampant "smoking in unspecified places", mass desertion in the USSR, betrayal of commanders and chiefs, the occupier wants to divert attention by carrying out a bloody provocation and blame the Armed Forces of Ukraine", - the message reads.
The Armed Forces urge the civilian population not to trust Russian propaganda. Ukrainian defenders did not and will not fire on the population.
Read more: UN Secretary General Guterr Source: https://censor.net/en/n3361392
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 12:22 PM
Enemy has partial success near Opytne and Novomykhailivka, attempts to attack in other directions have been repulsed, - General Staff
Operational information of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine regarding the Russian invasion as of 6:00 p.m. on August 17, 2022.
This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the page of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
"Glory to Ukraine! It has been 175 days of heroic resistance of the Ukrainian nation to the Russian military invasion.
The situation remained unchanged in the Volyn, Polissia, and Siversk directions. On the latter, the enemy is improving the fortification equipment of the positions. Conducted artillery fire near Chernivtsi, Pavlivka, and Hudovo, Sumy region.
In the Kharkiv direction, the enemy, from tanks, barrel and jet artillery, shelled the areas of the settlements of Kharkiv, Nova Mykolaivka, Dementiivka, Korobochkine, Pechenihy, Ruskie Tyshki, Odnorobivka, Lebyazhe, Novye, Svitlychne, Sosnivka, and Rubizhne. The enemy tried to break through the defense of our troops in the direction of the settlements of Lebyazhe and Bazaliivka, but was unsuccessful and retreated.
In the Sloviansk direction, enemy units tried to damage our units and destroy civil infrastructure facilities in the areas of Brazhkivka, Dibrivne, Mazanivka, Dolyna and Dovhenke with the fire of barrel artillery and rocket salvo systems. The enemy tried to advance in the direction of Novodmytrivka and Mazanivka, but had no success and retreated.
In the Kramatorsk direction, in order to dislodge our units from the occupied lines, the enemy fired from tanks and artillery near Mykolaivka, Kramatorsk, Verkhnyokamyansk, Tetyanivka, Serebrianka, Hryhorivka, and Raihorodok. Made an air strike near Ivano-Dariivka and Vesele. He unsuccessfully tried to improve the tactical position in the direction of the settlement of Vesele with assault actions.
In the direction of Bakhmut, shelling was recorded near Bakhmut, Zaytseve, Yakovlivka, Bilohorivka and Mayorsk. The occupiers used aviation to strike near Soledar. Ukrainian soldiers suppressed all attempts by the enemy to improve the tactical position of units in the areas of the settlements of Bilohorivka, Soledar, Bakhmutske, Kodema, Zaitseve and Mayorsk.
In the Avdiivka direction, the enemy continued to fire near Avdiivka, New York, Pisky, Vodyany, Opytny, and Nevelsky. Conducted an airstrike near Mariinka. The enemy has partial success in the direction of Opytne.
In the Novopavlivsk and Zaporizhzhia directions, the occupiers used tanks and artillery of various calibers to fire damage to the areas of the settlements of Velyka Novosilka, Kostiantynivka, Pavlivka, Sontsivka, Olhyne, Vuhledar, Charivne, Huliaipole, Novodanilivka, Mala Tokmachka, Orihiv, Vremivka, Novopillia and Novoandriivka. Airstrikes were recorded near Shcherbaky, Maly Shcherbaky and Zaliznychne. In order to clarify the positions of the fire means and adjust the fire, the occupiers engaged the UAV. The invaders made an unsuccessful attempt to advance in the direction of Shevchenko and have partial success in the direction of Novomykhailivka.
In the South Bug direction, the enemy continues to focus its efforts on maintaining occupied positions and preventing the Defense Forces from creating favorable conditions for a counteroffensive. With the use of available fire means, he is trying to cause maximum losses to our units along the contact line. It does not stop conducting aerial reconnaissance by unmanned aerial vehicles. Carried out airstrikes near Bilohirka, Lozove, Bela Krynytsia, and Posad-Pokrovsky. The enemy tried to improve the tactical position in the direction of Bilohirka. Our soldiers completely broke the plans of the occupiers and pushed them back to their previous positions.
In the water areas of the Black and Azov seas, the enemy's naval group continues to perform tasks to support the actions of the ground group of troops. Two sea-based cruise missile carriers are ready to use high-precision weapons.
The Russian occupiers suffer losses, are demoralized and look for any way to avoid hostilities - they try to fake a light wound, resort to self-mutilation and various simulations. There is an increase in cases of sabotage of officers' orders, especially when it concerns offensive actions.
We believe in the Armed Forces of Ukraine! We will win together!", the information of the General Staff reads. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3361408
Jimbuna
08-17-22, 12:24 PM
After explosions in occupied Crimea, they became interested in bomb shelters, selling apartments and emergency suitcases
In Crimea, after the explosions, people are wondering where the nearest bomb shelter is and what an emergency suitcase is.
This is reported by the website of the Association for the Reintegration of Crimea, reports Censor.NET with reference to Ukrinform.
"Even the completely controlled aggressor "Crimean media" began to ironically report that "the main questions that are now worrying everyone: where is the bomb shelter; how to quickly sell an apartment; what is an emergency suitcase," the message says.
At the same time, it is noted that in occupied Sevastopol, fraudsters are already sending a newsletter to mobile phones with offers to indicate the addresses of bomb shelters that work for a "small fee". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3361416
^ Your comment made me remember a special made documentary for Danish DR1, many years ago.
Danish tv was allowed to follow a special forces operation in UK.
(from memory)
Special forces from Denmark, US and Norway I think was sent to UK to conduct some special operation in this exercise.
They was operating behind the enemies line.
UK sent their Hunters-Here the speaker said-These Hunters are special trained in hunting down special forces from other countries.
With this documentary in memory I wonder
Doesn't Russia have the same ?
MarkusYes, Russia has Special Operations Forces distinct from the Spetsnaz GRU, but I see no results of them behind the lines.
Yes, Russia has Special Operations Forces distinct from the Spetsnaz GRU, but I see no results of them behind the lines.
Since you posted your answer to my comment I have been searching and searching for an article. Seems like I can't find it. Makes me wonder if it's something I have imagine.
Tha basis in the story is that Spetsnaz was no match for the ordinary UA army. They were being hunted down around Kyiv.
The article was posted a week or so after the Invasion began or is it my imagination
Markus
Skybird
08-17-22, 02:31 PM
FOCUS writes:
A few weeks ago, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Selenskyj announced a huge counteroffensive in the south of the country. With one million soldiers, the south of the country was to be reconquered and the Russian invaders ousted.
So far, this offensive has not been launched. But time is ticking: Several military experts explain on Twitter why the counterattack must start soon - even if the Ukrainian army is not yet ready for it.
Political pressure could force Ukraine to launch offensive
In a Twitter thread, Australian military expert Mick Ryan explains, "The Ukrainian government is likely under pressure to launch an offensive - before winter to maintain Western support." To Ryan, it's clear that "even if the military isn't ready for an offensive, political reasons could force them to launch anyway."
U.S. expert Dara Massicot adds in an article for " Foreign Affairs ": "Ukraine must use its momentum of counterattacks to prevent Moscow from incorporating the conquered territories into Russia."
After all, if Russia officially annexes the conquered territories, it will give them a strategic advantage - although the West is unlikely to recognize the annexation.
Russia and Ukraine pursue opposing intermediate goals
Massicot's guess: Russia could impose a cease-fire that Ukraine is unlikely to accept. Ukrainian attacks would then probably be declared by Russia as an attack on its own - annexed - territory and threatened with appropriate countermeasures of "self-defense," up to and including nuclear weapons. In the hope that this would dissuade the West from supporting Ukraine.
Therefore, Massicot said, Ukraine and Russia have opposing intermediate goals in the war: Russia is trying to freeze the front lines to buy time for annexation of the conquered territories, while Ukraine is trying to prevent just that.
Mick Ryan: Four points will determine the success of Ukraine's counteroffensive.
According to Mick Ryan, this is the main reason why Selenskyj might feel compelled to launch the announced counteroffensive in the south. According to the Australian military expert, four points are crucial for the course of such a counteroffensive:
1. Operational design of the offensive
First question: what is Ukraine's strategic goal in such a counteroffensive? Ryan sees two possibilities. An objective focused on enemy forces, such as destroying all Russian forces west of the Dnieper River. Or: A geographic objective, such as the capture of specific cities.
Both of these options, according to Ryan, have one thing in common: They are designed to destroy Russian morale and their will to continue the war.
2. The distribution of Ukrainian forces.
Second important point according to Ryan: How will the Ukrainian forces be distributed among the different fronts? For this, he said, a decision is first needed on how many fronts to launch counterattacks at the same time - only then can soldiers, logistical and intelligence capabilities be distributed accordingly.
3. Timing
"In war, the clock is constantly ticking," Ryan writes. The timing of the Ukrainian counteroffensive is paramount to its success, the military expert is certain. The best starting point for the offensive depends on how good Ukrainian reconnaissance is in the relevant areas.
However, Ryan also reiterates, "There are not only military aspects that can determine the start of the offensive, but also political ones.
4. Strategic support
Fourth point according to Ryan: strategic support. This includes weapons supplies for Ukrainian troops - whether from their own industry or from Western countries.
It is unclear when the Ukrainian counteroffensive will start. The only thing that is clear is that the clock is ticking - Ukraine probably cannot afford to wait much longer.
Skybird
08-17-22, 02:37 PM
The above ^ is just one way to look at it. Der Tagesspiegel has a very different, and I think they could be right:
Ukraine and its announced but failed offensive in the south of the country continue to puzzle observers. Russia has now significantly increased its troops in the area. Kiev does not seem particularly concerned about this.
Why? At first glance, the Ukrainians' possible plan to liberate the area around the city of Kherson seems paradoxical: Because the military leadership in Kiev never had a plan to drive the Russians out fighting, but to make their position untenable.
Supporting this scenario are statements by Roman Kostenko, a member of parliament who is fighting in the ranks of the special forces in southern Ukraine. He told the British Guardian (source here), "We don't have enough weapons to launch an offensive now and defeat the enemy. It is just enough to defend our territory." This coincides with assessments by Western experts and statements by Ukrainian politicians and military officials.
Further, he explains, "To liberate Kherson, we don't need to attack Kherson. If we control the bridge, they have no logistics." The background: the Ukrainians have made all three bridges over the Dnipro impassable to heavy traffic. Supply routes for Russian troops are thus permanently disrupted, soon ammunition and food will be scarce, and defense against the Ukrainians will be difficult.
The idea in Kiev may be that the Russians will eventually realize that the area around Kherson is no longer defensible and withdraw. It was similar in the early weeks of the war: when the Russians realized that they could not conquer Kiev while attacking in the Donbass, they withdrew from the north of the country. Moscow will probably be faced with this decision again soon. The advantage for the Ukrainians: they would be spared a potentially loss-making attack on Kherson and thus a house-to-house fight.
Statements by Mykhailo Podolyak, one of President Selenskyj's advisers, go in a similar direction. "Russia has taught everyone that for a counteroffensive, you need large numbers of forces that punch in one direction like a giant fist," he said. A Ukrainian counteroffensive looks very different. We don't use the tactics of the 60s and 70s," explained in an interview with the "Guardian" (source here).
Already last week there were rumors that the regional military leadership of the Russians fled from Kherson to the safer eastern side of the Dnipro River. Will more Russian troops soon follow?
^ Some of the Danish expert has an another attitude
Danish TV2 Wrote:
More and more evidence that the Russians have fallen into a trap, says expert
Up to 20,000 Russian troops in Kherson could be surrounded by Ukrainians who have hit them on supply lines.
It is looking increasingly like the Russians have walked into a trap in the Kherson region of southern Ukraine.
Already in July, the Ukrainians had stated that they were "certain to retake Kherson by September", and according to the analyst, this now suggests that there has been a purpose in letting the world into the Ukrainian engine room.
- It is a narrative that the Ukrainians have repeated over and over and over again. Normally, such plans would be kept secret, but here it looks like the intention has been to lure as many Russian troops as possible to Kherson, says Anders Puck Nielsen.
From here - with weapons assistance from the West and the much-publicised HIMARS missile systems - it has been possible for the Ukrainians to hit the Russian forces through important infrastructure that ensures Russia the necessary supply in the area.
- It looks more and more like the Russians have fallen into a trap, says the military analyst.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Markus
^ Some of the Danish expert has an another attitude
Danish TV2 Wrote:
MarkusUkraine has done this before, lure an army in cities where they are slaughtered in street fighting. Rumor is Russian officers have fled Kherson, the aim being to slowly strangle Russian supply lines and cut off thousands of soldiers in the city and area north of the Dnipro River.
Ukraine has done this before, lure an army in cities where they are slaughtered in street fighting. Rumor is Russian officers have fled Kherson, the aim being to slowly strangle Russian supply lines and cut off thousands of soldiers in the city and area north of the Dnipro River.
This Danish expert is convince Russia will lose the war
After attack on Crimea - impossible for Russians to win war, says expert
A military expert has predicted all along that the Russians will lose the war in Ukraine - and he stands by that prediction.
Ukrainian forces have for the past week been enjoying a tailwind on the battlefield in southern Ukraine.
On Tuesday, an ammunition depot and a transformer station on the Russian-occupied Crimean peninsula were hit by explosions. The attack comes exactly a week after several large explosions hit an air base in Crimea.
On Sunday, the Ukrainians also moved a step closer to cutting off the Kherson region and isolating Russian troops in the area when they destroyed a strategically important bridge at the Nova Kakhovka dam.
Already in July, the Ukrainians stated that they were determined to retake the Kherson region, bordering Crimea, by September.
Going after Russian supply lines
According to Jacob Kaarsbo, senior analyst at the think tank Europa, the recent attacks are proof of the Ukrainians' strategy to retake Kherson and Crimea.
- They are trying to hit targets deep inside the Russian hinterland in the same way they did very effectively at the start of the war in the Kyiv region. Ukrainian forces are going after Russian supply lines, which rely heavily on rail transport. The ammunition depot that was hit on Tuesday is very close to a railway junction, Jacob Kaarsbo tells TV 2.
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So you see there's many expert who says Ukraine will retake Kherson-Doubt they will have the resources to start such a huge offensive. The ammo they got so far has almost been used.
The logistic in the supply line has to work perfect when conducting an offensive with 1 million men.
Markus
This Danish expert is convince Russia will lose the war
So you see there's many expert who says Ukraine will retake Kherson-Doubt they will have the resources to start such a huge offensive. The ammo they got so far has almost been used.
The logistic in the supply line has to work perfect when conducting an offensive with 1 million men.
MarkusIn recent weeks, Ukrainian forces have struck three key bridges over the river, making them virtually impassable for heavy vehicles do not know Ukraine is able to launch a big offensive insiders say the signs are that a Ukrainian counterattack is imminent.
In recent weeks, Ukrainian forces have struck three key bridges over the river, making them virtually impassable for heavy vehicles do not know Ukraine is able to launch a big offensive insiders say the signs are that a Ukrainian counterattack is imminent.
Some of my Danish friends are not so convince-As one said They do not have a crystal ball-No one can predict the future.
He may be right-While Russia is about to be surrounded in Kherson Oblast-The Russian has gained land around Bakhmut oblast.
Markus
Skybird
08-17-22, 04:22 PM
^ Some of the Danish expert has an another attitude
Danish TV2 Wrote:
Markus
The losses not only of the Russian have been immense - that of the ukrainians in the East as well. Both armies must be very exhausted. To assess what the ukrainians are up to, one would need to know how exhausted they are indeed, and whnether they have the manpower to stage a counteroffensive with fighting intention. And one thing is also sure: an offensive needs mobility. And there the Ukrainians may have deficits, has too few IFVs and APCs.
The Ukrainians have had high losses, too. Its just not as much talked about.
The losses not only of the Russian have been immense - that of the ukrainians in the East as well. Both armies must be very exhausted. To assess what the ukrainians are up to, one would need to know how exhausted they are indeed, and whnether they have the manpower to stage a counteroffensive with fighting intention. And one thing is also sure: an offensive needs mobility. And there the Ukrainians may have deficits, has too few IFVs and APCs.
The Ukrainians have had high losses, too. Its just not as much talked about.
Thank you Skybird.
An offensive needs mobility.
Could have been thinking wrong.
Would it be a win for Russia if China do attack Taiwan-Here I mean USA is one of the major contribute of weapon and ammo to Ukraine-If China attacks Taiwan USA has, as promised, to send weapon and ammo to Taiwan.
Can US military industry handle two war ? I don't know if they can-I think that USA will let UK and Europe taking care of Ukraine, while they take care of Taiwan.
Markus
Skybird
08-17-22, 06:07 PM
After Russia started to play "Look what I do!", the stunned Wesatern audience was quick to fire loud words and mighty phrases and assured everybody willing to listen thta now one would get to the real nitty gritty and find serious replies.
I warned early that this will not last long, especially with regard to Bubble-Olaf's promises for a massive rise of the German defence budget plus an additional special font of 100 billion. And what has happened: it all already got watered down. Massively.
The NATO response to the war and the truthfulness after the early word shelling also leaves much to be desired. The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:
Russian attack on a member state? NATO thinks it's possible and is preparing for an emergency
The alliance has defined Russia as the greatest threat to peace. It also no longer rules out an attack by Moscow on an ally. However, it continues to refrain from establishing a permanent military presence on its eastern flank.
On a spring day in 1997, U.S. President Bill Clinton shook the bearish hand of his counterpart, Boris Yeltsin. NATO leaders, the president of the Russian Federation and the secretary general of the Western military alliance had just signed the so-called NATO-Russia Founding Act. The mood at the Élysée Palace in Paris was exuberant. "The world my predecessors dreamed of and worked for for fifty years is finally within our grasp," Clinton enthused. "This document," Yeltsin said, "will support stability throughout Europe and even beyond the borders of this continent."
The Founding Act - a declaration of intent, not a treaty binding under international law - was supposed to aim for a "lasting and comprehensive peace" in Europe. It was the result of years of tough negotiations between East and West. In it, the former Cold War adversaries promised to renounce "the threat or use of force against each other or against any other State, its sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence." The crucial sentence boded well: "NATO and Russia do not regard each other as adversaries."
One illusion less
A quarter of a century later, the paper seems to have fallen out of time. War is once again raging on the continent. With the Russian army's invasion of Ukraine, the West has finally lost its illusion of being able to come to an agreement with the Kremlin on a European peace order. At its summit in Madrid at the end of June, NATO described Russia as the "most significant and immediate threat to the peace and security of its members." One does not want to rule out the possibility that Russian President Vladimir Putin could also give the order to attack an ally. And one plans accordingly to strengthen deterrence capabilities on the eastern flank of the alliance area.
But is the file really dead, or does it still play a role in the allies' deliberations? There is hardly a principle of international law that Russia has not violated, NATO circles say. At the same time, military planners seem to want to keep up the facade of the agreement. For example, U.S. Defense Department Assistant Secretary for International Security Celeste Wallander, speaking to reporters in June, said Washington's decision to establish a permanent headquarters for the U.S. Fifth Army Corps in Poland was consistent with "our understanding of the NATO-Russia Founding Act." I guess that means: it still exists, the Founding Act.
According to the agreement, Moscow recognizes the right of sovereign states to choose for themselves "the means of ensuring their own security." In return, NATO had committed itself to stationing neither nuclear weapons nor "substantial combat forces on a permanent basis" in the "territory of new members." The states of the former Warsaw Pact (which pushed themselves under NATO's protective umbrella) were thus enabled to join the alliance without, however, being allowed to hope for a larger troop presence.
Already with the Georgian war in 2008, but at the latest with the annexation of Crimea and the Moscow-instigated conflict in eastern Ukraine in 2014, Putin violated the right to territorial integrity guaranteed in the Act. Nevertheless, NATO continued to keep its promise. Starting in 2017, it deployed four so-called battlegroups to Poland and the Baltics, where Russian provocations were most likely to be feared. These battlegroups, each composed of around 1,000 servicemen and women from several NATO states, were intended to reinforce local forces. They were not stationed permanently, however, but were to rotate every six months. Moreover, they were hardly large enough to repel a Russian attack and therefore could not be considered "substantial".
"Largest new deployment of collective security"
Why should NATO still adhere to this self-restraint after the invasion of Ukraine? In a first reaction, the alliance activated its defense plans after February 24 and moved parts of the so-called Nato Response Force (NRF) to the eastern flank. This response force consists of ground and air forces, naval and special operations units that must be ready to deploy particularly quickly to counter acute threats. Since 2014, the NRF, which can be requested by NATO's supreme commander for Europe in an emergency, has been steadily increased from 13,000 to 40,000 soldiers.
At their summit in Madrid, the allies decided to maintain significantly more troops at high readiness. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced plans to increase the number to more than 300,000 troops next year - with 100,000 of them ready to deploy within 10 days and the rest in up to 30 days. This is "the biggest rebuild of collective defense and deterrence since the Cold War," Stoltenberg announced.
The number of troops on the ground is also to be increased: Already in March, the alliance sent four more battlegroups to Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Romania, thus marking NATO's presence in all former Warsaw Pact states. Until now, each battlegroup has generally consisted of one or two battalions of 800 to 1,000 soldiers each. According to the new plans, the units in all eight frontline states are now to be expanded to the level of a brigade with three to six battalions. Heavy equipment, such as artillery, is to be stored on site.
However, the alliance continues to adhere to the "rotation principle" of soldiers. The Americans, who have so far stationed around 100,000 troops throughout Europe and thus bear the brunt of the continent's defense, also have no intention of establishing a permanent, substantial military presence on the eastern flank. Their forces are located for the very most part in Western Europe. The only exception is the planned permanent headquarters of the Fifth Army Corps in Poznan, western Poland. The officers stationed there in the future, however, are not members of combat forces, American officials affirm.
The Balts and Poles are disappointed
The disappointment is particularly great in Poland and the Baltic states. There, the risk of a cross-border war has by no means been eliminated and it would be fatal to wait for military support to be flown in from the West in the event of a Russian attack on their countries. Much human suffering, it is feared, could be inflicted by the invading forces by then.
But there are probably several reasons for the reluctance of the allies: Some, for example, are probably now taking a more confident view of the Russian threat. Russia's military appears to them to be weakened and not ready for an exchange of blows with NATO. Second, many NATO states still simply lack the capacity to become more militarily engaged in the east. Third, some member states prioritize other regions anyway. The southern Europeans criticize that the Russian threat should not be overlooked in view of the threats to the alliance's southern flank in the form of terrorism, mass migration and climate change.
Although the NATO-Russia Founding Act is no longer mentioned in the new strategic concept, there is no consensus in the alliance to officially denounce it. This is also significant. A return to cooperation with Russia does not seem to be completely out of the question for some member states.
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Still no increase of significant proportion in troop presence at the broder to the enemy. The naivety - and unscrupolousness - in Western hopes to just return to the former state of relations with Russia in the forseeable future, is stunning. And sobering. No, I am not convinced. Not one bit.
Or maybe it is a stubborness to admit that what had one's head stuck in one's a### the past 20 years.
NATO may be superior in conventional forces. But NATO continues to have its forces scattered all over the place, unfocussed, unprepared, unreadied, days if not weeks away from any likely centre of action. Any attacker has choice of time and place, and can gain local superiority therefore - and then cause a calamity while NATO sleepers still need to get out of their beds. The victims of this will be the economy and infrastructure of the struck country, and the civilian population it. Thank you, NATO (means: NATO memberstates). We now sleep better knowing this.
Jimbuna
08-18-22, 05:25 AM
The losses not only of the Russian have been immense - that of the ukrainians in the East as well. Both armies must be very exhausted. To assess what the ukrainians are up to, one would need to know how exhausted they are indeed, and whnether they have the manpower to stage a counteroffensive with fighting intention. And one thing is also sure: an offensive needs mobility. And there the Ukrainians may have deficits, has too few IFVs and APCs.
The Ukrainians have had high losses, too. Its just not as much talked about.
Hard to disagree with that assessment.
Jimbuna
08-18-22, 05:32 AM
Preparing for the worst as situation at nuclear plant ‘approaches critical’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62579154
Jimbuna
08-18-22, 05:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmyoMtXo37A
Skybird
08-18-22, 05:41 AM
Ukraine says Russia is withdrawing planes and helicopters form its Crimea bases. Not verified by independeant sources, though. Also, Kyiv has threatened more openly than ever before to "deconstruct" the Kertch bridge. And the Russian Black Sea fleet has a new comander. Again.:D
One problem there: if they destroy the bridge, and want to drive the Russians out - where should the Russians flee then? Should they swim?
I more and more tend to believe that Kyiv played it very clever and indeed does not intend to run a huge major counter-offensive on the ground, just made Russia dn the world it woudl when hammered home the tlak about retaking Cherson. They instead lock Russian forces in place and isolate them by destroyjg their supply networks, making it impossible for them to endlessly hold the ground they have "conquered". This is clever in itself, this is probably also due tpo limited availability of forces for such an offenbsiove, and this is clever becasue by evading big battles wiht Russia it denies Russia the playing of its trump cards and denies them the freedom to run the battles the way Russia wants them.
If true: then sly foxes are at play. I too was wondering why they so openly talked about their plans to retake Cherson. Deception it probably was. Bees not necessarily need or can kill an attacker: they just annoy him so much and make life so miserable for him that he finally runs away all by himself.
Jimbuna
08-18-22, 05:45 AM
Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 44,300 people, 234 planes, 197 helicopters, 1,889 tanks and 4,179 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS
The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of August 18, the loss of enemy personnel is approximately 44,300.
This was reported in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET informs.
The total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 18/08 are approximately: Source: https://censor.net/en/n3361527
personnel - about 41,300 (+200) people were eliminated,
tanks - 1889 (+3) units,
armored combat vehicles - 4179 (+17) units,
artillery systems - 1010 (+17) units,
MLRS - 265 (+2) units,
air defense equipment - 136 (+0) units,
aircraft - 234 (+1) units,
helicopters - 197 (+1) units,
UAVs of operational-tactical level - 793 (+1),
cruise missiles - 190 (+0),
ships/boats - 15 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 3,061 (+7) units,
special equipment - 93 (+0).
"The enemy suffered the greatest losses in the Donetsk direction," the General Staff noted. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3361527
Skybird
08-18-22, 09:54 AM
Russia has sent at least three Mig-31 armed with supersonic Kinschal missiles to Kaliningrad.
Two Mig-31 have violated Finnish air defence space on Monday. The approached a city in Finland that is more than 150 km away from the border.
Estland reports the most intense Russian cyberattacks on its infrastructure since 2007.
Ukraine says Russia is withdrawing planes and helicopters form its Crimea bases. Not verified by independeant sources, though. Also, Kyiv has threatened more openly than ever before to "deconstruct" the Kertch bridge. And the Russian Black Sea fleet has a new comander. Again.:D
One problem there: if they destroy the bridge, and want to drive the Russians out - where should the Russians flee then? Should they swim?
Russia has taken about 10 ships to the Black Sea, the operational command "South" reports. Ships of the Russian Federation take shelter in safe areas along the Crimean coast to Novorossiysk. There are two surface carriers of the Russian Federation with 16 Kalibr-type cruise missiles and a large amphibious ship on combat duty.
If true: then sly foxes are at play. I too was wondering why they so openly talked about their plans to retake Cherson. Deception it probably was. Bees not necessarily need or can kill an attacker: they just annoy him so much and make life so miserable for him that he finally runs away all by himself.Exactly, they let the Russians use their ammo and cause them to build supply lines/crossings what Ukraine destroy again. :D
And even Russians help Ukraine:
A sabotage was carried out on the railway near Moscow, as a result of which the railway equipment was put out of order, - reported expert Alexey Golobutsky. As a result, the railway section will temporarily stop working. This is another sabotage in a number of similar ones occurring throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Most of them, one way or another, are aimed at disabling the communications that supply weapons for the war with Ukraine. "The actions of the unknown are not similar to the work of the Ukrainian special services. The most likely option is the activity of the Russian partisan movement, which is gaining momentum in the Russian Federation," the expert said.
Russia has taken about 10 ships to the Black Sea, the operational command "South" reports. Ships of the Russian Federation take shelter in safe areas along the Crimean coast to Novorossiysk. There are two surface carriers of the Russian Federation with 16 Kalibr-type cruise missiles and a large amphibious ship on combat duty.
Exactly, they let the Russians use their ammo and cause them to build supply lines/crossings what Ukraine destroy again. :D
Wondering-Could it be that the Ukrainian are planning on doing a Schwarzkopf tactical move.
(During the first Iraqi war Schwarzkopf moved some division from one place to another to lure the Iraqi defence in Kuwait.)
Markus
KYIV, Ukraine — Ukrainian forces are pursuing a new strategy of attacking key military targets deep inside Russian-occupied territory in hopes of undermining Moscow’s ability to hold the front lines ahead of an eventual Ukrainian counteroffensive to reclaim territory, Ukraine’s defense minister said Wednesday. Ukraine’s conventional forces lack the weapons and ammunition needed to launch a full-scale ground offensive to retake territory from the Russians, Oleksii Reznikov said in an interview. He said he expects that sufficient quantities will eventually be delivered in line with commitments already made by Ukraine’s Western partners.
In the meantime, Ukraine is seeking to erode Russia’s capabilities by attacking its most sensitive military installations from within. “We’re using a strategy to ruin their stocks, to ruin their depots, to ruin their headquarters, commander quarters,” he said. “It’s our answer to their meat-grinder tactics.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/17/ukraine-defense-minister-special-forces-new-strategy/
Wondering-Could it be that the Ukrainian are planning on doing a Schwarzkopf tactical move.
(During the first Iraqi war Schwarzkopf moved some division from one place to another to lure the Iraqi defence in Kuwait.)
MarkusThe main goals are ammunition and fuel warehouses and headquarters housing the Russian officers who command front-line troops. By hitting those, Ukraine breaks the active operational support and bleed the Russian army.
New explosion just seen in Mizhvodne, Crimea, making this the 4th explosion or significant strike in this past week. It is approximately 135 km from the front, meaning outside GMLRS range from HIMARS/MLRS.
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1560247470579490816
"Civilians in the Crimean village of Mizhvodne report hearing explosions. A large plume of black smoke is visible in images posted on social networks. According to the EMERCOM "dry grass caught fire at about one o'clock in the afternoon.""
The head of Kherson RMA, Yaroslav Yanushevych, said that due to the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russians are intensifying the terror of the local population - they are kidnapping teachers, doctors and heads of territorial communities. There is also a problem with a shortage of products, because in several cities food stores have not been open since the beginning of the occupation. Yanushevych emphasized that temporary evacuation from the occupied territories will significantly speed up the liberation.
I did some calculations on distances/travel times for the Russian supply change now that the railway system has been disables down in Crimea.
We are now looking at similar distances as for the great Kyiv offensive, around 12 hours to reach destination, offload and get back. https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1560225371089522689
https://i.postimg.cc/dVZJS9Wt/supply.jpg
Then there will be organization of convoys, crews that need rest and mechanical failures of various types. Not to mention the frequent ambushes by partisans and Ukrainian special forces.
New explosion just seen in Mizhvodne, Crimea, making this the 4th explosion or significant strike in this past week. It is approximately 135 km from the front, meaning outside GMLRS range from HIMARS/MLRS.
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1560247470579490816
"Civilians in the Crimean village of Mizhvodne report hearing explosions. A large plume of black smoke is visible in images posted on social networks. According to the EMERCOM "dry grass caught fire at about one o'clock in the afternoon.""
It must be loyal partisan groups and/or Ukrainian special forces.
They are doing a fine job.
Markus
It must be loyal partisan groups and/or Ukrainian special forces.
They are doing a fine job.
MarkusFind the exploding grass very :D
Ukrainian Intelligence officers have shared a recording of a Russian soldier’s phone call with his mother. He tells her that the Russian forces are expecting the Ukrainian Armed Forces to mount a counter-offensive.
Source: Chief Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine on Telegram
Details: The Russian soldier tells his mother rumors have it that Ukrainian forces will mount a large-scale offensive on 24 August [when Ukraine celebrates its Independence Day - ed.] in order to stage a "show execution" on Independence Day. He also complains about the commander of his brigade and the lack of soldiers on the front.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/18/7363811/
Crimean bridge (Kerch Bridge), Russian forces deployed more decoy boats with radar reflectors.
https://i.postimg.cc/sDKgQcXT/crimeabridge.png
1945 - A Hitlerjugend teenager learns how to launch anti-tank grenades from Panzerfaust.
https://i.postimg.cc/prSxC0Fv/toymortars.jpg
2022 - 'Putinjugend' teenagers learn to launch toy shells from toy mortars.
Throughout all of July, Europe’s six largest countries offered Ukraine no new bilateral military commitments, according to new data — the first month that had happened since Russia invaded in February.
The revelation is a sign that despite historic shifts in European defense policy — which have seen once reluctant countries like France and Germany ship arms to Ukraine — military aid to Ukraine may be waning just as Kyiv launches a crucial counteroffensive.
https://www.politico.eu/article/data-show-europe-waning-military-support-ukraine/
^^ Tried to find a emoji :vomit:
Secondly-Had I discussion with one of my Danish friends Said to him-US, UK and many other countries in the west aren't interested in a Russian win in Ukraine. What this mean in the end I don't know-I don't know what these countries will do when or if Russia starts to gain land.
Markus
For weeks, Ukraine's armed forces have been talking of launching a counter-offensive in the south, and now a senior military officer has told the BBC they aim to recapture the city of Kherson within weeks. Instead of a major full-scale attack, they are expected to adopt a different strategy, with a role for small drone units.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62578235
Officials in Crimea said that Russian air defenses are operating tonight in Kerch. ANNA News is saying that Russian air defenses are shooting at Ukrainian UAVs conducting reconnaissance on the Crimean bridge.
A Russian munitions depot near Timonovo, Belgorod Oblast, inside Russia, has gone up in flames tonight. Stored MLRS rockets can be seen "cooking off" in the heat of the fire there are two Russian military facilities in the area of the fire a few hundred meters apart, both have large numbers of military vehicles parked closely together. The north most base seems to have large numbers of ammunition crates visible.
https://i.postimg.cc/kgh730xW/vassily.jpg
Officials in Crimea said that Russian air defenses are operating tonight in Kerch. ANNA News is saying that Russian air defenses are shooting at Ukrainian UAVs conducting reconnaissance on the Crimean bridge.
It would be a feather in Zelenskyy's hat if Ukraine manage to destroy or crimple the Crimean Bridge.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1560335629858344960?s=20&t=vHNzLsMjiwzhIYF1xXbuSA
Markus
It would be a feather in Zelenskyy's hat if Ukraine manage to destroy or crimple the Crimean Bridge.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1560335629858344960?s=20&t=vHNzLsMjiwzhIYF1xXbuSA
MarkusIn more places Russian air defenses are operating :)
This fire at the ammo depot near Belgorod.
Could it have been Ukrainian missiles/rockets or... ?
Markus
Local residents in Nova Kakhovka, Kherson region, also report a series of explosions from the direction of the dam. About 10 separate explosions. Half an hour ago.
This fire at the ammo depot near Belgorod.
Could it have been Ukrainian missiles/rockets or... ?
MarkusDunno how or with what but defiantly revenge for bombing of Kharkiv.
Dunno how or with what but defiantly revenge for bombing of Kharkiv.
And this is one of the reasons to why I think Ukraine will fix this.
Russia use some or most of their artillery to shot against civil targets, while Ukrainian forces is concentrating their weapons against Russia military and supply storage/line.
Markus
And this is one of the reasons to why I think Ukraine will fix this.
Russia use some or most of their artillery to shot against civil targets, while Ukrainian forces is concentrating their weapons against Russia military and supply storage/line.
MarkusIn this video's nice firework https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1560343704140914692
Ukrainian forces hit and destroyed Russian military factory in occupied Lotykove near Luhansk.
Ukrainian forces hit and destroyed Russian military factory in occupied Lotykove near Luhansk.
Do you have a link-The ones I found are from July and earlier.
Like this one
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/07/24/ukraine-destroys-two-russian-military-barracks-in-occupied-luhansk-oblast-hit/
Mostly I find the story by searching the net and I have posted it in a yt chat and the mods are asking for a source to the story
Markus
Do you have a link-The ones I found are from July and earlier.
Like this one
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/07/24/ukraine-destroys-two-russian-military-barracks-in-occupied-luhansk-oblast-hit/
Mostly I find the story by searching the net and I have posted it in a yt chat and the mods are asking for a source to the story
MarkusThis twitter account is reporting this https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1560349129309655043
Update: There are now reports of an explosion at Stary Oskol Airfield in Belgorod. https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1560351368459829248
Thank you so much Dargo-I'm chatting with people from around the world in a Livestream from Ukraine-We have 10 Cams up and running(NO their whereabouts is unknown-Only city name is given)
One of the rules is to provide source when you post a story from the war.
Markus
Thank you so much Dargo-I'm chatting with people from around the world in a Livestream from Ukraine-We have 10 Cams up and running(NO their whereabouts is unknown-Only city name is given)
One of the rules is to provide source when you post a story from the war.
MarkusSatellite images will tomorrow show what the damage is in Russia and Ukraine occupied areas, hard to keep track of the large number of Russian targets that are currently on fire it is a hot Russian night :) never seen the Ukrainians try something this ambitious.
Explosions at munitions depot, Timonovo Belgorod
Explosions at Stary Oskol Airfield Belgorod
Explosions in Nova Kakhovka Kherson
Explosions near Belbek airport Crimea
Air defence activity near Kerch strait
Russian bases hit in Luhansk
Russian FSB base hit W Crimea
Can not confirm all but will see tomorrow
I have read about most of them on twitter.
UA is giving Russia a hell this evening/night.
The little I know about war is that before you send you men away in an offensive. Is to destroy or harm your opponents effort to counter attack-by destroying important targets like, Bridges, ammo and fuel depot, Airfields etc etc.
Markus
^ Russian cruise missiles have been reportedly launched in response to recent strikes. https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1560366235757453315
^ Russian cruise missiles have been reportedly launched in response to recent strikes. https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1560366235757453315
Yes Heard about it-There's air raid sirene going on in Kharkiv, Kramatorsk and other cities in Ukraine.
USA approve these attack on Crimea
A senior administration official told NatSec Daily the U.S. supports strikes on Crimea if Kyiv deems them necessary.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/08/17/u-s-approves-of-ukraine-striking-russian-occupied-crimea-00052364
Markus
Yes Heard about it-There's air raid sirene going on in Kharkiv, Kramatorsk and other cities in Ukraine.
USA approve these attack on Crimea
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/08/17/u-s-approves-of-ukraine-striking-russian-occupied-crimea-00052364
Markus
The words Approval and Support have different meanings in English Markus. Approval implies that permission was given whereas Support means that they just agree with the decision.
The words Approval and Support have different meanings in English Markus. Approval implies that permission was given whereas Support means that they just agree with the decision.
Thank you for this English lesson- :Kaleun_Salute:
Markus
Skybird
08-18-22, 04:52 PM
Throughout all of July, Europe’s six largest countries offered Ukraine no new bilateral military commitments, according to new data — the first month that had happened since Russia invaded in February.
The revelation is a sign that despite historic shifts in European defense policy — which have seen once reluctant countries like France and Germany ship arms to Ukraine — military aid to Ukraine may be waning just as Kyiv launches a crucial counteroffensive.
https://www.politico.eu/article/data-show-europe-waning-military-support-ukraine/
Yes, I red something like that a day ago or two, too. Question is whether they want not or can not due to having shrunk their own military over the past two decades too much.And with the winter coming and the gas needs it brings and due to the boost to inflaiton war brings, the readiness to endlessly support the war will decline further. I warned of this already two or three weeks ago, it will happen. Putin knows this and plays for time, he knows that European resolve and "unity" will decline the more the longer the war lasts. Time works for him.
In case of Germany, it is both reasons why they do not more, the Germans cannot give much more from their active Bundeswehr reserves, because these reserves have been reduced to pitifully small amounts. But they also do not want. The industry has readied on its own cost dozens and dozens of mothballed Marders and Leopard-1s, and especially the Marders could be delivered on the same day the chancellor's office allows it. Since at least two to three months, even longer. But - the chancellors office completely and actively blocks it. I think they are afraid that a successful counteroffensive would "provoke" Russia. :o Note that Bubble-Olaf until today has refused to talk of an Ukrainian victory, he only said that "Russia should not win", but he strictly rejects to talk of Ukrainian victory. Some weeks ago he was pressed for it, repeatedly was confronted with pressing questions in a PC to say it, but he stubbornly blocked it, he never said he wants Ukraine to win the war, and I am convinced he means it so. I take the man by his acts of behavior and I take him by his words he refuses to speak out: and so I necessarily must conclude he does not want the ukraine to win.
He weasels a lot, by bad habit, with words like this, its all smoke screens. And all the time he is so very satisfied with himself. He thinks he is soo smart and strategically ambiuogous if saiyng clever pharse slike that Russia should not win the war biut not saiyn Ukraine should win it. Shows where he lives and where he has his head all the time: in a bubble completely disocnnected from reality. He talked - or let talk - a lot about "strategic ambiguity" too before the war, and thought this drivel would leave Putin in insecurity big enough to not go to war. Why should it...? Wouldn't it have been better to tell Putin clearyl what he had to expect in bad reactions if you wnmated to place a bid on scaring him away from war. What is this drivel about stratgeic ambiguity?
Do not count on Germany. It's weak, and it's playing a double game. The world is just not bright and clever enough for supersmart masterminds like sly Olaf the Fox.
Yes, I red something like that a day ago or two, too. Question is whether they want not or can not due to having shrunk their own military over the past two decades too much.And with the winter coming and the gas needs it brings and due to the boost to inflaiton war brings, the readiness to endlessly support the war will decline further. I warned of this already two or three weeks ago, it will happen. Putin knows this and plays for time, he knows that European resolve and "unity" will decline the more the longer the war lasts. Time works for him.
In case of Germany, it is both reasons why they do not more, the Germans cannot give much more from their active Bundeswehr reserves, because these reserves have been reduced to pitifully small amounts. But they also do not want. The industry has readied on its own cost dozens and dozens of mothballed Marders and Leopard-1s, and especially the Marders could be delivered on the same day the chancellor's office allows it. Since at least two to three months, even longer. But - the chancellors office completely and actively blocks it. I think they are afraid that a successful counteroffensive would "provoke" Russia. :o Note that Bubble-Olaf until today has refused to talk of an Ukrainian victory, he only said that "Russia should not win", but he strictly rejects to talk of Ukrainian victory. Some weeks ago he was pressed for it, repeatedly was confronted with pressing questions in a PC to say it, but he stubbornly blocked it, he never said he wants Ukraine to win the war, and I am convinced he means it so. I take the man by his acts of behavior and I take him by his words he refuses to speak out: and so I necessarily must conclude he does not want the ukraine to win.
He weasels a lot, by bad habit, with words like this, its all smoke screens. And all the time he is so very satisfied with himself. He thinks he is soo smart and strategically ambiuogous if saiyng clever pharse slike that Russia should not win the war biut not saiyn Ukraine should win it. Shows where he lives and where he has his head all the time: in a bubble completely disocnnected from reality. He talked - or let talk - a lot about "strategic ambiguity" too before the war, and thought this drivel would leave Putin in insecurity big enough to not go to war. Why should it...? Wouldn't it have been better to tell Putin clearyl what he had to expect in bad reactions if you wnmated to place a bid on scaring him away from war. What is this drivel about stratgeic ambiguity?
Do not count on Germany. It's weak, and it's playing a double game. The world is just not bright and clever enough for supersmart masterminds like sly Olaf the Fox.All west European NATO members have shrunk their own military in the past too much because there was no threat after the USSR collapsed, so they could use the money to solve several economic crises.
18-08-2022 Local sources at Reuters news agency say that at least four explosions have been heard near a military airfield near Sebastopol in Crimea. These appear to be related to an air strike. According to local authorities, a drone was brought down. There were reportedly no casualties and no damage.
Explosions were also heard near Kerch, at the easternmost tip of the Russian-annexed peninsula. A drone was also downed there, according to authorities. The town is of strategic importance because it is home to the bridge that connects the peninsula to Russia by rail and road. The attacks have not been claimed by anyone, but it is assumed that Ukraine is behind them. This was also the case in previous attacks in Crimea. Ukraine is silent about its involvement. An adviser to President Zelensky says the Ukrainian military has the right to destroy Russian military targets in Crimea.
Near the Russian city of Belgorod, less than fifty kilometers from the border with Ukraine, a munitions depot burned out yesterday. According to the governor, this was not the result of an attack. Again, no casualties were reported.
https://i.postimg.cc/NjDN0brg/belgrod.jpg
https://nos.nl/artikel/2441221-explosies-op-de-krim-rusland-zegt-drones-te-hebben-neergehaald
Russian logistics are exhausted Ukraine’s push to retake occupied southern territory has eschewed a dramatic ground assault and become a series of artillery strikes designed to cut Russian supply lines and isolate occupying troops in the region. https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-southern-forces-wage-a-slow-campaign-to-wear-the-russians-down-11660906801?reflink=desktopwebshare_twitter
KYIV, Ukraine — In the final days before the invasion of Ukraine, Russia’s security service began sending cryptic instructions to informants in Kyiv. Pack up and get out of the capital, the Kremlin collaborators were told, but leave behind the keys to your homes.
The directions came from senior officers in a unit of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) with a prosaic name — the Department of Operational Information — but an ominous assignment: ensure the decapitation of the Ukrainian government and oversee the installation of a pro-Russian regime.
The messages were a measure of the confidence in that audacious plan. So certain were FSB operatives that they would soon control the levers of power in Kyiv, according to Ukrainian and Western security officials, that they spent the waning days before the war arranging safe houses or accommodations in informants’ apartments and other locations for the planned influx of personnel.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2022/russia-fsb-intelligence-ukraine-war/?itid=hp-top-table-main
All west European NATO members have shrunk their own military in the past too much because there was no threat after the USSR collapsed, so they could use the money to solve several economic crises.
It was in the news here earlier today.
Denmark was one of the Nato members who is decreasing their weapon and ammo support to Ukraine-Reason Denmark have like many other Nato country been cutting a lot in the military expenses after the fall of the Soviet empire. So far the weapon and ammo Ukraine got from Denmark was thing of old age or was about to be destroyed-Like these RGM-84A.
Markus
We. See. You. Ukrainian people fundraised $20 mln to watch russian occupiers smoking negligently over the illegal Kerch Bridge. As you know, smoking in public places in Ukraine is prohibited.
https://i.postimg.cc/XJbmGXYW/weseeyou1.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/BZNkbS9W/weseeyou2.jpg
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1560690122110148608
Catfish
08-19-22, 02:42 PM
Watch it, this is hilarious!
Cocaine is a powerful drug :haha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-RyLzOastM
It was in the news here earlier today.
Denmark was one of the Nato members who is decreasing their weapon and ammo support to Ukraine-Reason Denmark have like many other Nato country been cutting a lot in the military expenses after the fall of the Soviet empire. So far the weapon and ammo Ukraine got from Denmark was thing of old age or was about to be destroyed-Like these RGM-84A.
MarkusSame goes for the Dutch the Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers were in storage and could not be sold, so we gave them to Ukraine.
Same goes for the Dutch the Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers were in storage and could not be sold, so we gave them to Ukraine.
Until some days ago I was convince that the west attitude against Putin would decrease when we get a really rough winter and our support for Ukraine are almost not there anymore.
Now I have to add weapon and ammo to the list of things that will make the west not so eagerly in helping Ukraine.
We have also the psychological effect-In the beginning of the war a majority of the people was with Ukraine-Today the people is getting tired of the war.
This is dangerous-You may be tired of hearing from the war and think no news no war.
Markus
18-08-2022 Local sources at Reuters news agency say that at least four explosions have been heard near a military airfield near Sebastopol in Crimea. These appear to be related to an air strike. According to local authorities, a drone was brought down. There were reportedly no casualties and no damage.
Explosions were also heard near Kerch, at the easternmost tip of the Russian-annexed peninsula. A drone was also downed there, according to authorities. The town is of strategic importance because it is home to the bridge that connects the peninsula to Russia by rail and road. The attacks have not been claimed by anyone, but it is assumed that Ukraine is behind them. This was also the case in previous attacks in Crimea. Ukraine is silent about its involvement. An adviser to President Zelensky says the Ukrainian military has the right to destroy Russian military targets in Crimea.
Near the Russian city of Belgorod, less than fifty kilometers from the border with Ukraine, a munitions depot burned out yesterday. According to the governor, this was not the result of an attack. Again, no casualties were reported.
https://i.postimg.cc/NjDN0brg/belgrod.jpg
https://nos.nl/artikel/2441221-explosies-op-de-krim-rusland-zegt-drones-te-hebben-neergehaaldAnd... reports coming in of another hot Russian night explosions heard in Sevastopol air defence works.
Explosions reported in Yevpatoria in Russian-occupied Crimea. Oleg Kryuchkov, an adviser to the head of the Russian occupation government in Ukraine's Crimea, wrote on Telegram that Russian air defense had shot down a target in Yevpatoria, a resort city in western Crimea. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1560706052169023491
Catfish
08-19-22, 03:01 PM
Czech president Milos Zeman wants Putin before international court
https://www.rferl.org/a/czech-president-wants-putin-before-war-crimes-court/31882412.html
Skybird
08-19-22, 03:24 PM
:D Gazprom announced that from August 31st to September 2nd, no gas will be delivered through Nordstream 1 - due to "maintenace".
All those clever calculation of the Germans how to get along somehow - and then this! :haha:
And while Germany's Robert Habeck lectures Germans to shower cold and short and not let light bulbs needlessly burn and so forth, and the minister president of Baaden-Wurthemberg, another originally Marxist/Maoist Green, comes to his support by telling the stunned Germans that they should not take showers anymore, but instead use washcloths and a bowl of cold water (serious, the political top personnel in Germany tells the Germans such infantile "tips", I am not kidding you!), same Habeck holds his course to burn massivce gas reserves to produce power that then gets delivered to France. At the same time France has capped the price for electrical power - at the additional cost of the Germans.
:har:
I hope Putin gets out the big club and simply obliterates all this hilarious German self-deceiving by cutting supply alltogether. It seems only when germany crashes rock bottom in the hardest of ways, this hilarious theatre of the Germans making mockery of their most vital energy needs must just come to an end - killed, brought down and slain by hard facts from a merciless reality. Im looking forward to it. It wont be pretty and many will bite the dust - but I m looking forward to it. I am so tired of this monkey operetta. Let the opera house burn down brightly before the lights go out! :yeah:
Worried where there's no need to be worried.
From August 25th to Sept. 9 Four countries are holding an exercise-These countries are Russia, Belarus, China and India.
Hearing about this exercise made a tad worried. Worried for two things the war in Ukraine will spread. 2. China use this exercise to invade Taiwan.
Maybe I'm worried where there's no need to be worried.
Markus
Worried where there's no need to be worried.
From August 25th to Sept. 9 Four countries are holding an exercise-These countries are Russia, Belarus, China and India.
Hearing about this exercise made a tad worried. Worried for two things the war in Ukraine will spread. 2. China use this exercise to invade Taiwan.
Maybe I'm worried where there's no need to be worried.
MarkusNo worry these are normal exercise, they do this regularly like NATO
Russian military commentator “Atomic Cherry” believes Ukraine now has at its disposal long-range weapons capable of breaking through the Russian air defense and reaching deep rears of the Russian forces. He believes it is the Neptune anti-ship missile that could have been simplified to a certain extent to allow breaking through the thick ship air defense. The carriers for these missiles are the Su-24 bombers, of which Ukraine had over 80 at the start of the war. Full translation available https://wartranslated.com/russian-military-expert-atomic-cherry-believes-ukraine-has-dangerous-long-range-weapons-at-their-disposal/
The Russian air defence is active near the Kerch Bridge and near Sevastopol
tonight.
Got it from WarMonitorua twitter accounts post
Markus
The Russian air defence is active near the Kerch Bridge and near Sevastopol
tonight.
Got it from WarMonitorua twitter accounts post
MarkusHear Ukraine testing Russian air defense
Hear Ukraine testing Russian air defense
Didn't Putin put up some red line which Ukraine shouldn't cross or...
Wasn't Crimea one these red line ?
What about the Kerch Bridge-If Ukraine manage to destroy or damage it-Would this also be crossing a red line.
I don't anything will happen, nothing more than a massive retaliation from Russia.
Markus
Didn't Putin put up some red line which Ukraine shouldn't cross or...
Wasn't Crimea one these red line ?
What about the Kerch Bridge-If Ukraine manage to destroy or damage it-Would this also be crossing a red line.
I don't anything will happen, nothing more than a massive retaliation from Russia.
MarkusThe loser blah blah a lot, it is only blah blah from a loser
There are no signs of systematic shelling of Zaporizhzhya NPP, confirm new satellite images of Maxar Technologies — CNN This contradicts the Friday statements of Russian President Vladimir Putin that the Ukrainian military repeatedly struck the station», writes the publication
https://i.postimg.cc/kXTqL2QD/Zaporizhzhya.jpg
The loser blah blah a lot, it is only blah blah from a loser
Of course it's nothing but blah blah from a loser-We should be aware what this loser may do when he's been pushed into a corner and can't get out.
Not without losing face which is unthinkable for Putin
Markus
Of course it's nothing but blah blah from a loser-We should be aware what this loser may do when he's been pushed into a corner and can't get out.
Not without losing face which is unthinkable for Putin
MarkusWhat if that nuclear power is as its whole army, who or on what can Putin trust.
What if that nuclear power is as its whole army, who or on what can Putin trust.
Good question to which I don't have an answer.
Markus
Jimbuna
08-20-22, 05:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo7KnnPXrJ4
Jimbuna
08-20-22, 05:53 AM
Russian leader Vladimir Putin has said UN officials will be granted permission to visit and inspect the Zaporizhzhia nuclear complex.
The Kremlin made the announcement after a call between Mr Putin and French President Emmanuel Macron.
It came as claims of fighting near the plant continued, with four civilians reportedly injured by Russian shelling.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62613013
Jimbuna
08-20-22, 05:57 AM
Radiation leak at ZNPP will be violation of Article 5 of NATO charter, - British MP Ellwood
The head of the special committee on the defense of the House of Commons of Great Britain, Tobias Ellwood, said that in the event of a radiation leak due to a possible Russian attack on the Zaporizhzhia NPP, NATO should use Article 5 of its charter.
He wrote about this on Twitter, Censor.NET reports.
"Any intentional damage that would cause a potential radiation leak at a Ukrainian nuclear reactor would be a violation of Article 5 of NATO," Ellwood said.
The statement of the British parliamentarian was supported by the member of the House of Representatives of the US Congress, Adam Kinzinger.
"Really, it's not even up for debate. Any radiation leak will kill people in NATO countries. This automatically triggers Article 5," Kinzinger tweeted.
According to Article 5 of the charter, in the event of an armed attack on any of the NATO countries, all other members of the Alliance will consider this act as an attack on them all. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3362011
Skybird
08-20-22, 06:05 AM
according to Article 5 of the charter, in the event of an armed attack on any of the NATO countries, all other members of the Alliance will consider this act as an attack on them all. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3362011 Really? Will they...?
Wait, watch and be surprised.
Jimbuna
08-20-22, 06:06 AM
Oh, I don't think I will :)
If I only knew the title of the thread, then I could find the finest explanation on Natos Article 5. Since I can't I have to take it from memory.
An attack on a Nato country activate article 5 the musketeer oath all for one and one for all.
Can we rely on this oath.. No there will be members states who will try to downgrade the effect of an attack on another member.
My country(think he wrote Germany)would do anything to downgrade the situation..
Wish I could remember every word 'cause it was 100 % Correct what he wrote.
This article 5 will die-Nato will come to the conclusion-All for one-None for all.
Not meaning that there ain't member state who will honour this article and send help-But mostly some member states Parliament will do anything to downgrade the situation.
Markus
That would make the whole idea of NATO redundant!! :doh:
Individually each country would be doomed against an aggressor such as Russia, it is only when all stick together that makes the pact viable/winnable.:hmmm:
That would make the whole idea of NATO redundant!! :doh:
Individually each country would be doomed against an aggressor such as Russia, it is only when all stick together that makes the pact viable/winnable.:hmmm:
I'm convince in the case with this Nuclear powerplant in Ukraine-If there should be a huge leak..some member state would try to point some of the guilt on Ukraine and thereby trying to downgrade the seriousness in Russia's attack on this powerplant
I hope I'm wrong on all this.
Edit
Somehow I missed Skybirds first answer on this page
"Really? Will they...?
Wait, watch and be surprised.
"
End edit
Markus
Here's a quick summary of the latest developments in Ukraine:
The base of Russia's Black Sea fleet in annexed Crimea has reportedly come under further drone attack. Large smoke clouds have been filmed arising from the area of Sevastopol that is home to Russia's naval headquarters
The Russian-installed leader of the occupied city confirmed a Ukrainian drone had been shot down over the area, and said no one was hurt
It follows a series of attacks against Russian military targets in the peninsula, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014, in recent days and weeks
Meanwhile, a visit by international inspectors could help restore the safety of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky has said
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