Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Skybird]

FOCUS writes with reference to REUTERS:
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Despite ongoing military setbacks in Ukraine, a botched mobilization and political infighting, Kremlin ruler Vladimir Putin continues to sit firmly in the saddle of power. According to the Reuters news agency, Putin faces danger only if total defeat looms on the battlefield. Reuters spoke to eight high-ranking sources, including current and former Western diplomats and government officials, according to the report.

Most of them said that while the Russian president is in one of the most difficult situations of his more than two decades in power, there is currently no immediate threat from his inner circle, the military or the intelligence services.
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[Aktungbby]

I've noticed: kpv1974 does seem slightly to the left of centre in the political spectrum?!!:doh:

[Commander Wallace]

I've noticed: does seem slightly to the left of centre in the political spectrum?!!:doh:


No, kpv1974 just doesn't let the truth get in the way of a good story, typical of those in Russia. :doh:

[kpv1974]

Indirectly, he installed puppets to rule in his name.

The paid puppet leaders were INDEED criticized, by the free world and by their own people. When their own people rebelled like in Germany in 1953 or Checoslovakia in 1968 the protests were brutally subdued or invaded with russian tanks and russian soldiers.
Not that Pravda or TASS or any russian media would have told THIS part of russian history.

Nope, not officially. According to Putin they are all volunteers, and they can leave the front whenever they want.
This at least was Putin's promise to the people.
You do not interfere in my russian oligarchy pool and cleptocracy and stay away from politics, and as a "reward" you will be granted a little bit of a better life. And no war, no conscription.
But you have to see it is the people of a nation who have to decide whether they go along with/help such creatures like Putin or not. The longer they wait, the longer the dictatorship exists, the harder it is to overcome it.
With the current level of surveillance technology it may at some point become impossible, like in China.

>> The paid puppet leaders were INDEED criticized, by the free world and by their own people. When their own people rebelled like in Germany in 1953 or Checoslovakia in 1968 the protests were brutally subdued or invaded with russian tanks and russian soldiers.
Not that Pravda or TASS or any russian media would have told THIS part of russian history.

don't twist the facts.
A joint contingent was brought into Czechoslovakia. There, in addition to the Russians, there were also Poles and Germans. Moreover, the Germans were just the most ardent suppressors of the Czechoslovak uprising. If stones and incendiary bottles were thrown at the Russians, then the Czechs were so afraid to deal with the Germans.

Regarding puppets - well, this is a well-known practice. Has the United States never planted its puppets. Guaido in Vegnezuela - is this not the prototype of a puppet?

[kpv1974]

No, kpv1974 just doesn't let the truth get in the way of a good story, typical of those in Russia. :doh:


I operate with facts, not fictional cases.
some things are not what you see.
Learn to look from different angles.

PS: admit it - until 2014, you could not even show on the map where this very Ukraine is located.

[mapuc]

Dear friends

We all have our standpoint which we consider being facts.
The problem is-NONE of us know the exact truth in what you have been
discussing the latest 2-3 hours.

Lets take Czechoslovakia in 1968.

I can only remember some very little part from our history books in the school.
The other thing kpv1974 mentioned
"A joint contingent was brought into Czechoslovakia..."
Was kind of new to me-Not saying it isn't true.
So why not search for information on the web

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia

The part where German was mentioned wasn't according to the information on this wiki page taking part in the invasion

Markus

[mapuc]

PS: admit it - until 2014, you could not even show on the map where this very Ukraine is located.

..if Russia hadn't annexed Crimea and some other Oblast in Ukraine we would not have heard of Ukraine...hmm maybe one time per year in our European melody grand Prix.

It was if I remember correctly first after this in 2015 USA and UK started to train Ukrainian in Western Warfare and it was some general who in 2019-20 threw the Russian warfare doctrine out of the window and adopted the Western Warfare doctrine.
(This is what I have been told. I may have missed some part)

Markus

[kpv1974]

Dear friends

We all have our standpoint which we consider being facts.
The problem is-NONE of us know the exact truth in what you have been
discussing the latest 2-3 hours.

Lets take Czechoslovakia in 1968.

I can only remember some very little part from our history books in the school.
The other thing kpv1974 mentioned
"A joint contingent was brought into Czechoslovakia..."
Was kind of new to me-Not saying it isn't true.
So why not search for information on the web

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia

The part where German was mentioned wasn't according to the information on this wiki page taking part in the invasion

Markus

Immediately there were people who declared it a fiction, and they called me Baron Munchausen, referring to Wikipedia data, which literally says that: “GDR - motorized rifle and tank divisions, up to 15,000 people in total (according to publications in the press from the entry of parts of the GDR into It was decided to abandon Czechoslovakia at the last moment, they played the role of a reserve on the border, and in Czechoslovakia there was an operational group of the NNA of the GDR of several dozen military personnel).
Even if you take only this paragraph, then the clipper will see here that the German troops did not enter, and will not see the lines and letters at all, which indicate specifically that this is “according to publications in the press.” The press, as everyone understands, is not the ultimate truth! There is also other evidence, namely historical documents, photographs, testimonies of eyewitnesses of those events. This time.
Two. "They played the role of reserves." Everyone who has a strategic mindset understands that in tactics and strategy the term "reserve" means troops, military equipment, weapons, stocks of materiel, stored up to a certain time and used only at a special moment. Usually critical, on which the final success depends.
However, there is one proof of the entry of the GDR troops, which was shown even in a completely anti-communist documentary film.
this movie is called Hot Summer 1968 - Czechoslovakia. The film is anti-Soviet. But there is the MAIN. There is the beginning of the text of the rebel radio message about the beginning of the Soviet invasion.
Here's how it sounds in documentary footage:
“To all the people of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic! Yesterday, August 20, 1968, at about 9 p.m., the troops of the Soviet Union, the Polish People's Republic, the German Democratic Republic, the Hungarian People's Republic, the Bulgarian People's Republic crossed the border of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic.
I hope everyone understands that Czechs and Slovaks can distinguish Russians and Poles from Germans.
It is clear that this is evidence of the presence of Germans in the ranks of the allied forces of the Soviet Union, recognized by the most “insurgent insurgents”, you can’t erase from history!
In addition, in numerous Russian forums, there are references to the Germans participating in the Danube operation.
Who in the civilized West needs such "politically incorrect truth" now? Although here we are not talking about Afro-Germans, Afro-French, or even Afro-Norwegians, but only about “proletarian internationalism”.

[kpv1974]

Humane Russians and harsh Germans from the GDR. "Prague Spring" 1968 (memories of our soldiers)
"Despite the fact that there were no military operations during the entry of the Warsaw Pact troops, there were losses. Thus, during the redeployment and deployment of Soviet troops, 11 servicemen, including one officer, were killed as a result of the actions of hostile persons; 87 Soviet servicemen, including 19 officers, were wounded and injured. In addition, 87 people died in catastrophes, accidents, as a result of other accidents, as well as died from diseases.
In the reports and reports of that time, you can read the following lines: "The crew of the tank 64 msp 55 msd (superannuated sergeant Andreev Yu.I., junior Sergeant Makhotin E.N. and Private Kazarik P. D.) on the way met a crowd of young people and children organized by counterrevolutionary elements. In an effort to avoid casualties from the local population, they decided to bypass it, during which the tank overturned. The crew was killed."
The rigid "do not shoot" attitude put the Soviet servicemen in the most unfavorable position. Confident of complete impunity, the "young Democrats" threw stones and molotov cocktails at Soviet soldiers, insulted them and spat in their faces.
Standing guard at the monument to the Soviet soldiers-liberators Yuri Zemkov, someone from the crowd of people eager to desecrate the monument to those who died in 1945, struck a three-sided bayonet in the chest. His comrades raised their machine guns, but, following the order, did not shoot.

As soon as the GDR soldiers appeared nearby, everything became calm. The Germans, without hesitation, used weapons.Nowadays, they prefer to keep silent about the participation of the troops of Bulgaria, Poland and the GDR in the operation. How the countries merged in a single ecstasy of NATO and the EEC! Some have already added to the fact that the GDR troops did not enter Czechoslovakia. However, those who personally took part in those events recall: "The Czechs who lay down on the roads seriously slowed down the advance of Soviet mechanized and tank columns. The tank columns of the GDR passed without even stopping, right on the roads lying on the roads...".
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"On July 22, 1968, I was drafted into the Soviet Army. After a while I was sent to the Southern Group of troops. The training platoon in which I found myself belonged to a regiment stationed inTekel, 30 kilometers from Budapest.
On August 20th, in the evening, everyone already knew that the war would begin tomorrow. In preparation for the march on Czechoslovakia, large white crosses and stripes were applied to all military equipment in order to distinguish it from exactly the same Soviet-made equipment in service with the "enemy" army in case of collisions. The commanders instructed their soldiers, set goals and objectives. The wives of the officers who lived here, in the military town, were crying. Somewhere a brass band was playing "Farewell of the Slavs". ...
A week later, a deputy engineer, a major, arrived from Czechoslovakia (unfortunately, I don't remember the last name anymore). I was assigned to his department, to the radio workshop. When he saw me, he was amazed at my thinness and said that he would take me with him "to fatten up" - there were increased food standards in the troops that entered Czechoslovakia. The next day, early in the morning, we set off on a medical "rafik". There were three of us-the driver, the major and me. I took with me what I was supposed to - a satchel with a standard set and a greatcoat. I was given a dry ration, an AKM machine gun and three horns of cartridges.
The border between the two countries was a river. We stopped near the Hungarian checkpoint and almost immediately headed across the bridge to the other side. The Czechoslovak checkpoint was passed without stopping. Beyond the bridge was the Slovak town of Komarov. Here, as in all other settlements that we passed, we were greeted by large inscriptions, mostly in Russian. They were painted on roofs, on fences, there were just posters. The content did not vary much. Russian Russians, go home", "Invaders", "Shame!", "1938 - Hitler, 1968 - Brezhnev, Kosygin", "Russian soldier, what will you say to your mother?", "Brezhnev has gone mad", "Dubchek, Chernik, Svoboda", "Go home, our Dubchek "…
There was a machine gun lying next to me, and I was thinking about what I would do if some kind of situation arose. And suddenly I realize that I'm going to shoot. Shoot someone who will threaten my life, and that it is inevitable. I don't belong to myself-since I had to put on this military uniform. I didn't belong to myself in the training platoon. Did not belong then, performing outfits. And now, moving around Czechoslovakia with a machine gun filled with live ammunition, I even more do not belong to myself. I will shoot, because now I am an instrument of the state that threw me here. As a human being, I will shoot because I will be scared.
I was looking at Czechoslovakia. As soon as we crossed the border and found ourselves in the Slovak part of the city, I saw that compared to impoverished Hungary, this is a rich country. This was indicated by the decoration of houses, streets, the clothes of passers-by. There are a lot of cars on the roads. Skoda, Tatras, Muscovites, Volga, foreign cars. The roads are beautiful, but in many places they were scarred by the tracks of past tanks.
At night, without incident, we reached the city of Brno. Our battalion was located at the airfield near this city. I was allocated a place in the Kung for the night.
In the morning I met my future colleagues. The mood of the milestones was good-natured. In the army, "young" is a curse. Over the past month and a half, I have tasted it in full. I was the youngest here, there is no younger. To my surprise, I was accepted here as a person. No one insulted me or belittled me. Soldiers from "other estates" talked to me normally. They asked me something, told me something, and gave me friendly advice. I didn't think it was possible in the army anymore.
The service in this "war" was completely idle. We didn't do anything - only what is necessary to maintain life - cleaning and security. The troops were waiting to see how the political process would end. We were ordered never to part with the machine gun and ammunition. We had lunch with a vending machine, went to the toilet, slept.
Our place was calm, without any excesses, about which we had heard enough at that time. They said that unlike the Soviet troops, the troops of our Warsaw Pact allies who entered with us behaved disgracefully - they fired too much, often without sufficient reason. I don't know how true all these stories were. From reliable - the driver's story. Permian, by the name of Osika - active, not quiet and not cowardly.
He was going somewhere, there were two of them, he and the lieutenant. As luck would have it, in some small Czech town a flat tire. I stopped, I need to change. While he was doing this, people began to approach. There were more and more of them, and now, the crowd had already surrounded the car. They say something emotionally in their own way, shout, gesticulate. The lieutenant is trying to tell them something in Russian - "We came to help you...". They don't listen to him, it only excites the crowd. All this time the driver changes the wheel. "I feel that my hands are shaking, and I can't do anything about it, I'm scared, I can't get into the hub in any way," he said. I somehow put the wheel on, we plunged into the cab, and slowly drove off. The crowd still parted, missed. He felt that if all this had lasted longer, they would have been torn apart, such was the hatred of these people.
Here, someone told a similar case with soldiers from the GDR. The first thing the Germans did when they stopped - one of the two fellow travelers took up the defense with a machine gun at the ready. At the slightest attempt by anyone to approach, shooting started, and there were no such problems.
We were told, verbally and in the form of various printed materials, that we did not come here to fight. We have come to help our friends, poor lost sheep who have lost their way. Perhaps our allies had other motives and, accordingly, other attitudes.
One day local peasants came to our commanders. Some vegetables ripened in the fields, which were closely adjacent to the troops. They ask permission - is it possible to clean. It's scary, there are soldiers with weapons all around. The commanders said that it is possible, and we will help you. They threw a cry, I responded and, together with a dozen other soldiers, went to clean up some turnips. It was a political matter, we had to demonstrate "good will" On this occasion, we were ordered to leave the machine gun "at home", take only a bayonet-knife, which was attached to the belt.
The peasants were good-natured and tried in every possible way to emphasize their loyalty that "they have nothing to do with it", it was some idiots in the capital who started all this mess, and they should sort it out. They spoke in their own way, inserting Russian words that they knew. But there was no big problem with understanding, there were Ukrainians among us, whose language was close to the language of our interlocutors. One man said that his daughter corresponded with a girl from the Soviet Union. " - from the memoirs of O. Khanov

[Aktungbby]

Certainly no worse than the ignorant falsehoods that you just posted right? no! no!LEFT!
C'mon now you're not seriously trying to compare limited UN sponsored action with Russian mass murder and large scale ethnic cleansing?
As I recall the only mass murders that happened in Yugoslavia were committed by Russian ally Serbia. Just a chip off the old evil block I guess. Yup he is!



Is the USA the hegemon of the whole world? in KISS word...: YES...since 1945...


I wonder why Russia is still fighting with "white gloves".
She could take as a basis the American doctrine of "peace enforcement" - first demolish all civilian infrastructure, so that a "ground operation" would not even be required - not even to bring its soldiers into enemy territory.
As it was for example in the former Yugoslavia in Europe, or in Iraq.
When the Americans razed to the ground all the cities of these countries
Russians are too scrupulous???
Maybe they are just fools that they do not follow the American doctrines of warfare? Could U enumerate which cities R "razed to the ground" or are U exaggerating in true leftist fashion? Bear in mind, the standard for "Razing" still remains Sodom or Hiroshima.:shucks:

I know why you are so dumb.
Because rockets don't reach you yet.
But I live in Russia (very close to the Ukrainian border), and I have already felt the missile strikes.
My God, so that Putin does not care about you. About your well being.
My friend, you do not agree with the Americans' assertion that bomb strikes "bring peace"
If you do not agree with this, then you are a typical brainless person. Bombs did bring peace particularly in WWII. Be advised it is unnecessary to call us 'typical brainless person' when the "brevity is eloquence" 'moron' hath sufficed. All us 182,652 +- :subsim:'s misanthropic miscreant mancavers will think you're just "running at the mouth!" ceaselessly! :doh:


It’s occurred to me that Russia was never as militarily powerful or capable as we were lead to believe, it’s 4th rate at best. I’m pretty sure Putin was duped by his own intel into thinking he was going to be welcomed as a liberator. But instead Ukraine shot back, which is something Putin didn’t appear to be prepared for. rule 3 of von Clauswitz after 1: "In all things B strong." 2: "Whenever possible increase firepower." is #3 "Never count on your enemy doing what your plan calls for him to to do...(ie: we didn't land at Calais!)

Russians are scrupulous ? Lets see, they run from a fight which makes them cowards in my book. Do you even realize what a joke and laughing stock you and your Russia are ?
Aside from being a tad vituperative, no despot with nukes can B considered a laughing stock. Most particularly that Sino-toady-puppet in N.Korea presently shooting missiles over Japan. When Peter the Grate's Ukraine fiasco is ended, the other shoe over Taiwan will drop and Chairman Xi's Putanic friendship against the 'Merican hegemony will commence in earnest. As with cutting off Japan's oil just prior to Pearl Harbor, we've just cut off Chinese chip manufacture necessary in modern weapons the Chinese are so keen on....they are pissed off!:hmmm: With Iran now in on Russia's side dronewise; and Israel commencing aid to that 'neoNazi' commedian Zelensky, WWIII is well under way...

History is written by the winners.
So don't be fooled In Russian history 'General Winter' was Alexander II and Stalin's best commander; ultimately defeating the Grande Armeè and the Wehrmacht of Operation Barbarossa...'twill be interesting to C history repeated this predicted frigid winter...I 'spect we'll throw in serious thermal gear along with the missiles.

If this is still not clear to you, then you are complete morons.
:nope:

You hypocritical bastards. :nope:
Your government is always hiding behind your hypocritical American false democracy, which you are trying to carry beyond the borders of your state.
And your government does not ask if this democracy of yours is needed by other countries. It just forces it on.
Why are the Americans climbing into all corners of the globe?
Don't you have enough oh territory that you took away from the Indians, the indigenous peoples of America? Don't forget Sewards folly, the Czar's sale of Alasksa and all those poor downtrodden enslaved Eskimos, Aleuts, and Umiaks to Ol Abe Lincoln. As for us being hypocritical complete moronic bastards, point well taken but then at least our mother sent us to charm school!
you want to kill me - just because I'm Russian?Nope we want U in a labor camp with professional athlete moron Brittany Griner who should hav known painkilling vapes would cause her major issues...where U'll be safer from those ground shaking missiles U bragged about!
well shoot you mean we liberated a bunch of countries over there then gave them back and then got ownership of them again after we help rebuild them,never pay twice for real estate and you telling us that putin fell in a ukraine trap well couldn't be under biden he has a hard enough time reading a teleprompter :har: wake up smell what shoveling That's givin' 'im "the straight poop" and I shovel enough horse stables 2 know!:yep:

This is exactky what i mean with throwing it out the window. Do you believe any of those Kleptocrats spent only one rouble of their stolen money from the russian people for RUSSIA? Or for the russian people they stole it from?
My heart bleeds for the russian oligarchs who support Putin and who suddenly reap the whirlwind they sowed....U mean the ones that haven't fallen out of windows, killed in Spain, or had their daughters blown up in cars?:hmmm:
Learn to look from different angles.
I've noticed: kpv1974 does seem slightly to the left of centre in the political spectrum?!!:doh: Well that gotta rise outta the bugger!:D

[kpv1974]

..if Russia hadn't annexed Crimea and some other Oblast in Ukraine we would not have heard of Ukraine...hmm maybe one time per year in our European melody grand Prix.

It was if I remember correctly first after this in 2015 USA and UK started to train Ukrainian in Western Warfare and it was some general who in 2019-20 threw the Russian warfare doctrine out of the window and adopted the Western Warfare doctrine.
(This is what I have been told. I may have missed some part)

Markus

The beginning is taken from the time of the collapse of the USSR. Adventurers in Ukraine told the population this way - in 2 years Ukraine will become the "second France". And all our misfortunes are because the Russians spoiled everything for us. Because of them, we have such a low standard of living. If Ukraine did not feed Russia, then everything would be fine with them.
But let me - and who ruled the USSR?
Yes, the same Ukrainians!
Khrushchev is Ukrainian.
Brezhnev is also from Ukraine (if my memory serves me from Depropetrovsk).
Chernenko is also Ukrainian.
Andropov is that Jew.
Russians actually never ruled their state.
Stalin was a Georgian. Gorbachev is probably the only Russian, and he destroyed the USSR
)))
They simply forgot their history. They abandoned it.

[kpv1974]

>Don't forget Sewards folly, the Czar's sale of Alasksa and all those poor downtrodden enslaved Eskimos, Aleuts, and Umiaks to Ol Abe Lincoln. As for us being hypocritical complete moronic bastards, point well taken but then at least our mother sent us to charm school!

I hear this word all the time in American films. I did not think that this is such a strong curse that it can be voiced in films. I'm sorry.

[Skybird]

The most bizarr thing I have seen in a longer while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eWqaz5ikZE

[Aktungbby]

>Don't forget Sewards folly, the Czar's sale of Alaska and all those poor downtrodden enslaved Eskimos, Aleuts, and Umiaks to Ol Abe Lincoln. As for us being hypocritical complete moronic bastards, point well taken but then at least our mother sent us to charm school!

I hear this word all the time in American films. I did not think that this is such a strong curse that it can be voiced in films. I'm sorry.Those are precode movies.:O: Familiarize yourself with :subsim: FAQs and avoid fellow member name calling in posts unless accompanied with a ":O:" implying comradely humor. And quit wasting your remaing time in this forum; U should be out digging your shelter to avoid all those missiles shakin' your turf so close to the fighting front that you've mentioned. :O:

[kpv1974]

Those are precode movies.:O: Familiarize yourself with :subsim: FAQs and avoid fellow member name calling in posts unless accompanied with a ":O:" implying comradely humor. And quit wasting your remaing time in this forum; U should be out digging your shelter to avoid all those missiles shakin' your turf so close to the fighting front that you've mentioned. :O:


Now the territory adjacent to the border of Ukraine is being shelled. Today there was a very long shelling. the city is well protected by air defense. After the missile was shot down right over the city, the military learned a good lesson from this.

[mapuc]

The beginning is taken from the time of the collapse of the USSR. Adventurers in Ukraine told the population this way - in 2 years Ukraine will become the "second France". And all our misfortunes are because the Russians spoiled everything for us. Because of them, we have such a low standard of living. If Ukraine did not feed Russia, then everything would be fine with them.
But let me - and who ruled the USSR?
Yes, the same Ukrainians!
Khrushchev is Ukrainian.
Brezhnev is also from Ukraine (if my memory serves me from Depropetrovsk).
Chernenko is also Ukrainian.
Andropov is that Jew.
Russians actually never ruled their state.
Stalin was a Georgian. Gorbachev is probably the only Russian, and he destroyed the USSR
)))
They simply forgot their history. They abandoned it.

You know more about Soviet and Russian history than I do.

I do know however that the Ukrainian voted for independent in 1991 and Russia approved this.

So is following wiki link wrong ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum

Right thereafter this Budapest memorandum came.
Here it was three countries, including Russia acknowledge Ukraine and it's border. and to provide security assurances by its signatories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Markus

[kpv1974]

no! no!LEFT!
Yup he is!
Could U enumerate which cities R "razed to the ground" or are U exaggerating in true leftist fashion? Bear in mind, the standard for "Razing" still remains Sodom or Hiroshima.:shucks: Well that gotta rise outta the bugger!:D

"The bombings damaged bridges, roads and railways, as well as 25,000 houses, 69 schools and 176 cultural monuments.In addition, 19 hospitals and 20 medical centers were damaged, including the University Hospital Center of Dr. Dragisha Mišović."

Of course it's not Hiroshima.:D

[les green01]

the war was inevitable. if they had chosen not Trump, but Clinton's wife, it would simply have started much earlier.

oh please obama/biden/clinton was busy getting an embassy attack then blaming it on a movie,Trump was busy sending mean tweets and getting impeach twice,Biden and harris can't even find the southern border of the US and raising the price on everything doubt they could even pour pee out of a boot but they sucker Putin to attack Ukraine,several pages back you was acting like you was from Paris French now your in russia on the line.i think everyone here can see your putin butt buddy:O: and preaching his filth bs now i'm going pop my feet up get some pretzels and pour some jack and laugh at all your posts

[kpv1974]

You know more about Soviet and Russian history than I do.

I do know however that the Ukrainian voted for independent in 1991 and Russia approved this.

So is following wiki link wrong ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum

Right thereafter this Budapest memorandum came.
Here it was three countries, including Russia acknowledge Ukraine and it's border. and to provide security assurances by its signatories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Markus

Complex issue…
Most likely violated. There are many interpretations.

This is how the Russian authorities see it.
S. Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister, said that Russia had not violated the provisions of the Budapest Memorandum. After all, the only obligation of Russia included in this document is the obligation not to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine and threats to use them. No threat, no use of nuclear weapons by Russia was carried out.


Russia officially denies all accusations of violating the Budapest Memorandum. On March 4, 2014, President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin expressed the opinion that if the events associated with the Euromaidan are qualified as revolutionary, then it follows that a new state has been formed on the territory of Ukraine, in relation to which Russia has no contractual obligations . On March 19, 2014, the Russian Foreign Ministry accused the United States and the European Union of violating the provisions of the memorandum, which supported the opposition during the Euromaidan. In particular, they expressed threats of imposing sanctions against the Ukrainian authorities. All this, according to the department, had a pronounced orientation against the sovereignty and political independence of the country. As mentioned above, the Russian side emphasizes the fact that the Russian Federation had no obligation to force the local population to remain part of Ukraine against their will, especially since not only was nuclear weapons not used, but not a single shot was fired during Crimean events. Thus, there is no need to talk about Russia's violation of the Budapest Memorandum.

[Aktungbby]

Well I see persistent humor hath moved you...sllghtly. Now get diggin" that shelter before we lose our favorite :subsim: leftist propagandist who gives us ignorant rightwing boors precious insight into true Kremlin moronthology as espoused by that 21 century Peter the Grate! I'd presume it will be wider; enough to fit U since getting fattened up by peasant Czechs with 'clean' turnips!:O::Kaleun_Salute:

[kpv1974]

There are also more radical views.
"In November 1994, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted the law “On Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons”. In practice, this meant abandoning the nuclear arsenal that Ukraine inherited from the USSR. The deputies, in their opinion, made a good hedge by including the following clause in the text: “This law comes into force after the nuclear states provide Ukraine with security guarantees issued by signing the relevant international legal document.” And already on December 5, the famous Budapest Memorandum was signed. To begin with, let's pay attention to the name itself — “Budapest Memorial on Security Assurances". Some commentators wonder why this supposedly most important document, which is based on the agreement on the withdrawal of nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Republic, has not been ratified by any of the countries that signed it. Even Ukraine itself. So after all, such documents do not require further action — it's just a memorandum! That is, one of the lowest documents of the diplomatic paper circulation, most often interpreted as a “statement of the views of the government.” But often this is just an “information and reference statement of cases”, or even a “memo" at all. (From the Latin memorandum, literally: something to remember). No one is going to observe it sacredly, at best it is a “friendly agreement”: “Dear gentlemen are going to behave like true gentlemen. If it pleases the Lord. And it won't — so sorry!” The choice of the English term is also alarming: soft “assurances”, often interpreted as “assurances”, instead of firm guarantees — “guarantees". Another diplomatic smile — “We assure you — everything will be OK!” Next, let's see who benefited from the fact of Ukraine's renunciation of nuclear weapons. At first glance, this is obvious — to Ukraine itself. She was throwing off a huge financial yoke, because the care of nuclear facilities cost serious money. And unlike the ships, tanks and planes that remained after the partition of the USSR and were sold out quite quickly (so that by 2014 there was little left of them), it was impossible to trade nuclear missiles on the international arms market (otherwise, of course, they would have been sold). Plus painful memories of Chernobyl: you never know what else can happen to the conquered atom. It is better to get rid of him quickly out of harm's way. Whereas Russia gained little. Note the time of signing: December 1994. A little more than a year before, Yeltsin triumphantly won by shooting the opposition from tanks, and the euphoria is not over yet. It's still a long way to the 1996 election, when difficulties will suddenly come out of all the cracks. Their nuclear missiles in bulk — the presence or absence of a nuclear arsenal, even if the nearest neighbor, does not change much. “The war with Ukraine” does not even pull an anecdote — this, in principle, cannot be. But “good friends from the West” asked — and the Russian president respected. So the main engines of the entire operation to rid Ukraine of nuclear weapons were the United States and Great Britain. The strategists of Washington and London reasoned much more far-sighted than inexperienced post-Soviet leaders. The main reason lay on the surface: the fewer countries have nuclear weapons, the better — there is less temptation to use them. Besides, for Russians, Ukraine was a kind of, as they would say now, “comical” country of Gogol's characters. With pastoral Ukrainians, wrapping dumplings in sour cream under a pickled gorilka, with a funny devil in a blacksmith's bag and divchins dancing in meadows in flower wreaths to charming Ukrainian songs. Historians of the rest of the world knew this territory as a long-standing hotbed of instability and a place of regular slaughter. The descendants of immigrants who fled the pogroms, who got jobs in the US State Department, as well as well-educated British parliamentarians, did not need to be reminded about the native Ukrainian Khmelnichina, Koliivshchyna, Petliura and, by historical standards, the very recent adventures of Bandera. No one wanted a new “monkey with a grenade”. The grenade should have been carefully removed, having exchanged it with the holder for sweets and compliments to her beauty and intelligence. But there were also hidden springs. About them below, but first let's finally read the text of the memorandum carefully. Behind the verbal nonsense like “welcoming Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons”, we will highlight the main point under No. 2: “The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America confirm their commitment to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine and that none of their weapons will ever They will be used against Ukraine, except in self-defense or in any other way in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.” Diplomatic formulations have, as you know, many gradations. They can be as hard as steel or, on the contrary, hazy and vague. It was possible to choose: from the brutal “firmly guarantee“ to the old-fashioned ”forever and ever not to violate." In this case, the text sounds almost ironic. The signatory countries undertake only... to abstain! (And this is not a quirk of translation, in the English text it is the same — to refrain). Most of all, this reminds the doctor's advice to the patient — to “abstain” from alcohol, for example. That is, if possible, try not to drink. But if you really want to — a couple of glasses won't hurt, right? The simplified wording of the “promises" is supplemented by conditions under which even abstinence is not required. It turns out that it is not only impossible, but on the contrary, it is very possible to encroach on Ukrainian territory for the good purposes of “self-defense or in any other way in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.” And in the UN Charter, there have always been enough cases when it is possible and necessary to send troops into a kind of sovereign country. The implementation of the genocide of national minorities, for example. “Neither katsap, nor Jew, nor lyakh" — remember the main Bandera slogan? Well, that's just it — genocide. And not only its presence, but also the very threat of its appearance is a legitimate pretext for invasion. “They are about to start another mass massacre - how many of them have already been there! We urgently need to save the unfortunate!”By the way, on the third day after the victory of the Maidan, the Crimean Tatars-Mejlis members have already held a training Russian pogrom. Two Russians, Igor Postny and Valentina Korneva, were stabbed to death in Simferopol on February 26, and they were killed precisely “by nationality.” And if the “polite people” had not entered urgently, the account of those killed would have gone to at least dozens. So we will have to upset the opponents of the return of Crimea — the entry into de jure Ukrainian territory took place in full compliance with the Budapest Memorandum. Which Ukrainians also signed. Do you remember even BEFORE the Crimea moved to Russia, the "friendship trains" and "friendship buses" from Ukraine, completely packed with Ukrainian nationalists? This is precisely the threat of genocide. Of course, Ukraine was also given guarantees of assistance in case of an attack on its territory — how can it be without this! In paragraph 4, the partners: “... confirm their commitment to seek immediate action by the UN Security Council to assist Ukraine as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons in the event that Ukraine becomes a victim of an act of aggression or the object of a threat of aggression with the use of nuclear weapons.” Therefore, they can only help in a nuclear conflict. In the absence of it — sort it out, they say, yourself. Everything is logical, Ukraine is losing its nuclear arsenal, it seems to have plenty of conventional weapons at the time of signing. The future sale doesn't count. In the last, 6th paragraph of the memorandum, the final apotheosis of the entire document looks like a frank mockery. The accomplice countries undertake to “consult in the event of a situation affecting the issue of these obligations"! That is, there are zero real actions, but to talk and “express concern” is as much as you want. These are the realities of international guarantees of Ukraine's territorial integrity. Under whom were the points of the Budapest Memorandum prescribed, and who was subsequently planned to be the beneficiary of the entire process of disarmament of Ukraine? Clearly not Russia. Under Yeltsin, no one hoped for its revival, moreover, no one was even afraid of it. Further disintegration was expected. The most obvious contender for most of the failed state Ukraine is, of course, Poland. It was to her that most of the territory of the former Soviet republic was to be transferred. What there were even some precedents in history, when “Polish lords ruled the Ukrainian cattle.” Another small part is Hungary, and a small piece is Romania. Everything is fair: the last two countries would get back exactly those territories that were torn away from them and incorporated into the Ukrainian SSR by Stalin. Khrushchev's gift of Crimea could have gone to Turkey, in case of its “good behavior” (few people foresaw bad at that time either). Everything would have happened in full accordance with the document signed in Budapest: another mess would have started in Kiev (the word "Maidan" had not yet come into use), "real" Ukrainians would have beaten several Poles, and Tatars would have been looted in the Crimea — that's the desired conditions for the entry of troops. It remained only to wait a little for the imminent degradation of the Ukrainian government. But the subsequent history developed according to this scenario only partially. Ukraine is expected to roll downhill. But Russia suddenly took off and, having recovered a little from the shocks, began to look around, and by 2014 it had already become so comfortable that it was able to quickly and bloodlessly regain Crimea. The most interesting thing, however, is that today the Budapest Memorandum has not lost its relevance at all. The division of Ukraine programmed in it is waiting in the wings. And the general concept has not changed. Only the emphasis has shifted significantly from Poland to Russia. It is to her that most of it will go. But, of course, Poland, Hungary and even Romania should get their share. Instead of the expected “Russian aggression”, which the Western media are tirelessly clamoring about, there will be a neat division of an increasingly degraded territory. With Russia at the head, but also with the active participation of three member states of the European Union and NATO, whose peoples have long been waiting for the return of their ancestral lands. Actually, now we are talking not so much about the theoretical possibility of such a scenario, as about its particulars. They are trying to limit Russia in advance in appetites, so that the Russian bear, who has been walking too far in recent years, would not have thought of taking over the entire territory of the ex-Ukrainian SSR in general, without sharing it with neighbors."

[August]

wOt?

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f_Vjz66gh8

[kpv1974]

Well I see persistent humor hath moved you...sllghtly. Now get diggin" that shelter before we lose our favorite :subsim: leftist propagandist who gives us ignorant rightwing boors precious insight into true Kremlin moronthology as espoused by that 21 century Peter the Grate! I'd presume it will be wider; enough to fit U since getting fattened up by peasant Czechs with 'clean' turnips!:O::Kaleun_Salute:

what am I promoting?
Russia is good and the West is bad?
Because I don't quote BBC or CNN?
Can I cite other sources as an example?
So the BBC and SNN, too, are not the ultimate truth.
Do you think they will not create the desired picture?
Do you really believe in the independence of the media.
Such media simply does not exist.

no matter how you have to dig a bomb shelter.
Be afraid of your desires - sometimes they tend to come true.

[August]

what am I promoting?
Russia is good and the West is bad?
Because I don't quote BBC or CNN?
Can I cite other sources as an example?
So the BBC and SNN, too, are not the ultimate truth.
Do you think they will not create the desired picture?
Do you really believe in the independence of the media.
Such media simply does not exist.


Certainly not in a country like russia where they imprison anyone who speaks against its warmongering.

[mapuc]

Do you really believe in the independence of the media.
Such media simply does not exist.

There are countries where the press is controlled by government and are therefore not free.

The press here in Denmark has some rules they have to follow-Otherwise they are free not controlled by government.

The same goes for media in Sweden and Germany-Have some regulation they must follow otherwise free to write almost what they want.

Markus

[kpv1974]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f_Vjz66gh8

:up:

You know - this is an American song about some kind of farmer (if my memory serves me right). More precisely, a translation of the words of an American song. But the Politburo decided that it was not worth singing about American workers. And the lyrics were changed to this stupid troll. And they called it vocalization. I was at the concert of this artist in 1970 in Evpatoria (Crimea) - Edward Khil.:D

[kpv1974]

There are countries where the press is controlled by government and are therefore not free.

The press here in Denmark has some rules they have to follow-Otherwise they are free not controlled by government.

The same goes for media in Sweden and Germany-Have some regulation they must follow otherwise free to write almost what they want.

Markus

I do not read the state media - they always lie there.

[kpv1974]

Certainly not in a country like russia where they imprison anyone who speaks against its warmongering.

The judicial system of St. Petersburg issued the first decision on the claim of a mobilized citizen, the United Press Service of the Courts of St. Petersburg reported. He failed to challenge the mobilization call.


The Petersburger, in his statement of claim, asked the court to recognize the summons to the military registration and enlistment office illegal, to invalidate the decision of the military registration and enlistment office on his mobilization, and also to replace his military service with an alternative civilian service, since, according to the plaintiff, military service is contrary to his convictions.

The Nevsky District Court of St. Petersburg considered Berezin's administrative claim and denied all of his claims to the plaintiff.

Recall that, according to the law, alternative civilian service in certain cases can only be assigned to a conscript subject to military service, but does not apply to cases of mobilization of citizens liable for military service.

[em2nought]

There are countries where the press is controlled by government and are therefore not free.

The press here in Denmark has some rules they have to follow-Otherwise they are free not controlled by government.

The same goes for media in Sweden and Germany-Have some regulation they must follow otherwise free to write almost what they want.

Markus

The press in the USA is an arm of the democratic party, just like the FBI. :har:

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/HcsWaWED7q4

https://www.mentealternativa.com/ma_media/2022/10/NAFO_OFAN_brain_damaged_cartoon_dogs.jpg

[Aktungbby]

:har::k_rofl::()1:

[Reece]

I've seen some crap in my days but that takes the cake!! :har::har:

[Commander Wallace]

@ Rockstar. That was hysterical. :k_rofl::k_rofl:

[Commander Wallace]

I operate with facts, not fictional cases.
some things are not what you see.
Learn to look from different angles.

PS: admit it - until 2014, you could not even show on the map where this very Ukraine is located.



If that were true, then prove what you are saying. I asked you earlier today for evidence of what you are saying. You never answered.


I operate with facts, not fictional cases.
some things are not what you see.
Learn to look from different angles.

PS: admit it - until 2014, you could not even show on the map where this very Ukraine is located. And how would you know that? More BS from from our favorite delusional commie.


>As for us being hypocritical complete moronic bastards, point well taken but then at least our mother sent us to charm school!




You went to charm school ? :Kaleun_Sick:
Tell your mommy to get her money back. :k_rofl:

[Reece]

I'm trying to hold back but . . .:k_rofl:

[Aktungbby]

Don't forget Sewards folly, the Czar's sale of Alasksa and all those poor downtrodden enslaved Eskimos, Aleuts, and Umiaks to Ol Abe Lincoln. As for us being hypocritical complete moronic bastards, point well taken but then at least our mother sent us to charm school!

You went to charm school ? :Kaleun_Sick:
Tell your mommy to get her money back. :k_rofl:Whoops! In your slightly right-of-center overzealousness :o U've somehow misattributed my quote to poor innocent kpv1974...:yep: now apologise graciously to the poor turnip eater.

[Commander Wallace]

Whoops! In your slightly right-of-center overzealousness :o U've somehow misattributed my quote to poor innocent kpv1974...:yep: now apologise graciously to the poor turnip eater.


Sighs, very well then. My bad, Turnip... um, er kpv. I was half asleep when I read that. By the way Aktung, My mum knew better than to send me to charm and grace school. It would have been a waste of good money and my time. :haha:



Now you have ruined Reece's day. I hope you're happy with yourself. I'm thinking that if you went to grace school, it has all the appeal of a smiley face drawn on a bowling ball with teeth missing. :haha:


By the way, I'm certainly not over-zealous. I'm just fun loving. :yep:


Now, back to our originally scheduled program, already in progress.

[Reece]

I'm just fun loving. :yep:


I'll vouch for that!! :Kaleun_Applaud:

[Jimbuna]

Just caught up and I'd like to thank everyone for keeping the content within acceptable levels :salute:

[Jimbuna]

The commander of Russian forces in Ukraine says the situation in the southern city of Kherson is "difficult" and residents are to be evacuated.

General Sergei Surovikin said Ukrainian troops using Himars rockets were hitting the city's infrastructure and housing. He spoke on Russian state TV.

"The Russian army will above all ensure the safe evacuation of the population" of Kherson, he said.

His rare admission of big problems was echoed by a top local official.

Russian-installed regional official Kirill Stremousov warned Kherson residents that "in the very near future" Ukrainian troops would launch an assault on the city.

"Please take my words seriously - I'm talking about evacuating as quickly as possible," he said on the Telegram messaging service. He added that people on the River Dnieper's west bank (called Dnipro in Ukraine) were most at risk.

This was confirmed by regional governor Vladimir Saldo, who was also appointed by Russia. Four towns on or near the west bank were to be evacuated in what he called an "organised, gradual displacement" of civilians.

Kherson was the first big city to fall to the Russians, back in February.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63309095

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvWDkErZuyE

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Tk4WcHAUU

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX0u_RQC3w0

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 66,280 people, 2,554 tanks, 1,637 artillery systems, 5,235 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian invaders, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 19, the loss of enemy personnel is approximately 66,280.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 19/10 are approximately:

personnel - about 66,280 (+430) people were liquidated,
tanks ‒ 2554 (+6) units,
armored combat vehicles ‒ 5235 (+16) units,
artillery systems - 1637 (+15) units,
MRLS – 372 (+0) units,
air defense equipment ‒ 189 (+1) units,
aircraft – 269 (+1) units,
helicopters – 242 (+0) units,
UAVs of the operational-tactical level - 1286 (+10),
cruise missiles ‒ 323 (+5),
ships/boats ‒ 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 3999 (+14) units,
special equipment ‒ 146 (+2).
"The data is being verified," the message states. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374737

[Jimbuna]

Netanyahu opposed Israel’s supply of arms to Ukraine: Iran may receive them

Former prime minister and opposition leader of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu opposed the supply of weapons to Ukraine, arguing that they could fall into the hands of Iran.

He said this in an interview with the MSNBC channel, writes Censor.NET with reference to Liga.net.

Netanyahu called Israel's current policy regarding Russia's war against Ukraine, which involves accepting refugees and providing humanitarian aid to Ukrainians, "prudent."

At the same time, he opposed the supply of weapons to Ukraine and stated that they could allegedly end up in Iran, which would use them against Israel.

He also mentioned the danger of a "global conflict" with the possible use of nuclear weapons.

"I don't think it makes much difference whether it's tactical nuclear weapons or strategic nuclear weapons, that threshold hasn't been crossed for 77 years, and I think what's needed now is a combination of firmness and caution to make sure that this conflict ends and, of course, it does not spread," said the politician. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374782

[em2nought]

The thought occurs to me that maybe we should have been hiring the descendants of the Ukraine S.S. to fight our stupid wars for us ever since the big 2.0? :hmmm:

[Commander Wallace]

Just caught up and I'd like to thank everyone for keeping the content within acceptable levels :salute:


I tried to being have ( behave ) but it wasn't easy. Aktung was absolutely no help and was out of control. :yep::haha: Then again, you'll have this. Do you ever get the feeling you're presiding over a pre school class ? :k_rofl:


Netanyahu opposed Israel’s supply of arms to Ukraine: Iran may receive them

Former prime minister and opposition leader of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu opposed the supply of weapons to Ukraine, arguing that they could fall into the hands of Iran.

https://censor.net/en/n3374782


I believe this is the biggest reason the U.S didn't want to transfer F-16's or Abrams tanks to the Ukraine. Then again, with the anti tank and anti aircraft portable weapons that have been given to the Ukraine, I question how useful they would be anyhow.


Besides, Russia has been the biggest supplier of weapons and is very generous in supplying weapons to the Ukraine. :03::D:yep::haha:

[August]

I believe this is the biggest reason the U.S didn't want to transfer F-16's or Abrams tanks to the Ukraine. Then again, with the anti tank and anti aircraft portable weapons that have been given to the Ukraine, I question how useful they would be anyhow.

Besides, Russia has been the biggest supplier of weapons and is very generous in supplying weapons to the Ukraine. :03::D:yep::haha:

What could we supply that we already didn't give the Taliban? Iran is just next door. Probably riding around in our equipment right now.

[Commander Wallace]

What could we supply that we already didn't give the Taliban? Iran is just next door. Probably riding around in our equipment right now.




Sighs. Isn't that the sad truth. Our money being wasted yet again. :o On the other hand, I don't think we supplied or left behind our higher end or more sensitive technology. I wasn't for leaving anything behind but it is what it is.

[Rockstar]

Sighs. Isn't that the sad truth. Our money being wasted yet again. :o On the other hand, I don't think we supplied or left behind our higher end or more sensitive technology. I wasn't for leaving anything behind but it is what it is.

Equipment thought to have been left in Afghanistan, according to the GAO report https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-17-667r.pdf

[Skybird]

The Ukraine cannot like the threat in this: Republicans said if they win midterm elections, they will put feet on the brake of further weapon deliveries to Ukraine.

They could as well put a poisoned blade into Ukraine's back. Some fellas have not understood to what degree a Russian win in this war also would effect the strategic interest of the US. And this with a Taiwan war being described by Blinken just recently to maybe begin much earlier than anyone was assuming so far. If the US really plans to heavily engage in Taiwan'S defence, then it has all interest in the world to do this in a situation of calm, stability and Russian weakness in America's back (means: Europe).

This is not to say the Europeans should not do more. They should. But fact also is that they do not want to, and in parts also can not. Fair or not, just or not: a Russian win will weaken Europe to a degree that the US must be deeply worried for its very own essential interests. I know many Reps dream and fabulate about isolationism. But that era where it could work, is long since gone. Nowadays, it will not work and cannot work. There would be enormous economic payback from all directions.

A fall of Taiwan also is unacceptable, since it is the chip factory of the world. Letting that fall into the hands of Bejing means that China has the complete rest of the world by its balls. Any volunteers wanting that...?

No?

Thought so. At least some sanity is left in this world.


Prentagon has asked General Dynamics to increase production rates for HIMARS platforms and ammunition. GD said they will rise production rates by around 50%.

[Aktungbby]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 66,280 people, 2,554 tanks, 1,637 artillery systems, 5,235 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian invaders, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 19, the loss of enemy personnel is approximately 66,280.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 19/10 are approximately:

personnel - about 66,280 (+430) people were liquidated,
tanks ‒ 2554 (+6) units,
armored combat vehicles ‒ 5235 (+16) units,
artillery systems - 1637 (+15) units,
MRLS – 372 (+0) units,
air defense equipment ‒ 189 (+1) units,
aircraft – 269 (+1) units,
helicopters – 242 (+0) units,
UAVs of the operational-tactical level - 1286 (+10),
cruise missiles ‒ 323 (+5),
ships/boats ‒ 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 3999 (+14) units,
special equipment ‒ 146 (+2).
"The data is being verified," the message states. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374737...any mention of how many unit crematorium trucks I mentioned way back in this thread have been lost? https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NINTCHDBPICT000714599251.jpgWhat a moral booster for conscript detainees of the motherland to know they'll end up in one of those...shortly!:oops: plus, it can't be good for global warming!:arrgh!: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2795949&postcount=1224

[August]

...any mention of how many unit crematorium trucks I mentioned way back in this thread have been lost? What a moral booster for conscript detainees of the motherland to know they'll end up in one of those...shortly!:oops: plus, it can't be good for global warming!:arrgh!:




Maybe they can just fill the pockets of their dead with sunflower seeds and bury them in the fields like that old babushka recommended last spring. :up:

[Rockstar]

The Ukraine cannot like the threat in this: Republicans said if they win midterm elections, they will put feet on the brake of further weapon deliveries to Ukraine.

They could as well put a poisoned blade into Ukraine's back. Some fellas have not understood to what degree a Russian win in this war also would effect the strategic interest of the US. And this with a Taiwan war being described by Blinken just recently to maybe begin much earlier than anyone was assuming so far. If the US really plans to heavily engage in Taiwan'S defence, then it has all interest in the world to do this in a situation of calm, stability and Russian weakness in America's back (means: Europe).

This is not to say the Europeans should not do more. They should. But fact also is that they do not want to, and in parts also can not. Fair or not, just or not: a Russian win will weaken Europe to a degree that the US must be deeply worried for its very own essential interests. I know many Reps dream and fabulate about isolationism. But that era where it could work, is long since gone. Nowadays, it will not work and cannot work. There would be enormous economic payback from all directions.

A fall of Taiwan also is unacceptable, since it is the chip factory of the world. Letting that fall into the hands of Bejing means that China has the complete rest of the world by its balls. Any volunteers wanting that...?

No?

Thought so. At least some sanity is left in this world.


Prentagon has asked General Dynamics to increase production rates for HIMARS platforms and ammunition. GD said they will rise production rates by around 50%.


Just last March Republicans we’re demanding Biden do more to help Ukraine. Most opposition to any aid package or for that matter ANY bill arises from all the billions of dollars of PORK that’s attached to it. But most citizens are content with just the headlines and don’t pay attention to details for the simple fact politics is now a team sport. Then there are junior members trying to make waves and get noticed. We are also in the run up to mid-terms so all sorts of crap is being spewed. It’s Blue anon against Q-anon.

Personally I don’t think much will change in the way of U.S. long terms strategic goals. The only thing that will change is some new topic for us to argue amongst ourselves. While for those on the hill it’s business as usual.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2uhHQIuHCc

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPTolhYujhc

[Jimbuna]

Martial law in occupied territories is preparation for mass deportation of Ukrainian population to depressed areas of Russia, - Danilov

Russian invaders in the occupied territories plan to deport Ukrainians to the Russian Federation.

This was reported by Oleksii Danilov, secretary of the NSDC, on Twitter, Censor.NET informs.

"Putin's martial law in the annexed regions of Ukraine is a preparation for the mass deportation of the Ukrainian population to depressed regions of Russia to change the ethnic composition of the occupied territory. A crime that should be condemned by the UN and which was already committed by Russia in Crimea and remained unpunished," the message states.

Also remind, that earlier the Russian dictator Putin introduced martial law in the occupied territories of the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, in the "LPR" and "DPR". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374891

[Jimbuna]

Results of elections in USA will not affect level of support for Ukraine, - White House

Military and financial support by the United States to Ukraine will continue regardless of the results of the November 8 US congressional elections.

This was announced by the official representative of the National Security Council of the White House, John Kirby, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"We will do everything possible to ensure that our support to Ukraine is maximal. The United States has made the largest contribution to financial, humanitarian, and military support to Ukraine. We have already provided Ukraine with military aid worth 17 billion dollars so that it could not only defend itself but also win back some of its territories. And we will continue to move in this direction," Kirby emphasized.

He confirmed US President Joe Biden's position that US troops will not be directly involved in military operations in Ukraine, but noted that "we will provide military support to Ukraine in the volumes it needs for as long as it takes."

Kirby also commented on the statement of the leader of the Republican Party in the House of Representatives of the US Congress, Kevin McCarthy, that in case of victory in the elections to the US Parliament, the Republicans can significantly reduce their support for Ukraine.

"The question is not to "write a blank check to Ukraine". The question is whether we should support our partners, providing them with the opportunity to defend themselves. This is not a question of protecting Kyiv or, say, Sloviansk, but a question of the entire European security structure, which has changed significantly over the past eight months. These eight months, both houses of the American Parliament have been united in supporting our efforts, I am confident that we will be able to maintain the support of Ukraine in the Congress in the future," said Kirby.

Read more: US is Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374884

[Rockstar]

From Russian Media Monitor.

Kherson latest

https://youtu.be/ZAdmz1Ho8tg

Couldn’t believe my eyes, the level of b.s. propaganda Russian media is capable of, it’s so over the top. Even more frightening is everyone over there believe it without question.

https://youtu.be/ZpaC40SFd1k

[Commander Wallace]

Equipment thought to have been left in Afghanistan, according to the GAO report https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-17-667r.pdf

Rockstar, I well and truly appreciate you furnishing the GAO report for everyone to review. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: Looking at it briefly, it looks very involved with lots of number crunching. It will take a while to go through.


Have you looked through the report ? Since you are an intelligent sort, I will simply ask what you made of the report and if anything of significance was left behind. I will accept that edict until I get a chance to look through it. Chances are, I will probably agree with your assessment.

I know leaving any money on the table for the Taliban is significant. I just wanted to know if you had any thoughts you wanted to share on the report.

[Moonlight]

Russian Propaganda at it's finest, if anyone around the world believes that load of bollocks, I'll sell them Tower Bridge for a tenner and throw in the Tower of London for a fiver, any takers. :haha:

[Commander Wallace]

Russian Propaganda at it's finest, if anyone around the world believes that load of bollocks, I'll sell them Tower Bridge for a tenner and throw in the Tower of London for a fiver, any takers. :haha:




You can always tell when a Russian is lying. Their lips are moving. :yep:

[Rockstar]

Rockstar, I well and truly appreciate you furnishing the GAO report for everyone to review. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: Looking at it briefly, it looks very involved with lots of number crunching. It will take a while to go through.


Have you looked through the report ? Since you are an intelligent sort, I will simply ask what you made of the report and if anything of significance was left behind. I will accept that edict until I get a chance to look through it. Chances are, I will probably agree with your assessment.

I know leaving any money on the table for the Taliban is significant. I just wanted to know if you had any thoughts you wanted to share on the report.

I don’t think are any numbers in the report to crunch really, for the most part they’re totaled by category for us already. The report was published in 2017, and is only 21 pages in length and sufficiently describes the total number of pieces and systems given to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces that were funded by the U.S. Since the Afghan Defense and Security Forces no longer exist. I’d say pretty much everything in that report now belongs to the Taliban.

[Reece]

You can always tell when a Russian is lying. Their lips are moving. :yep:
Never a truer word has been spoken!!:k_rofl:

[Commander Wallace]

I don’t think are any numbers in the report to crunch really, for the most part they’re totaled by category for us already. The report was published in 2017, and is only 21 pages in length and sufficiently describes the total number of pieces and systems given to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces that were funded by the U.S. Since the Afghan Defense and Security Forces no longer exist. I’d say pretty much everything in that report now belongs to the Taliban.


I found these to be rather significant.


16,000 Night vision devices. 22 ground based surveillance systems. I used the word crunch incorrectly. Still, these are significant losses. No matter how you look at it, it's not good. These numbers don't include the loss of A U.S RQ-170 Sentinel drone that Iran managed to seize in 2011. Certainly, reverse engineering this drone has helped Iran engineer the drones now being used against the Ukraine and that are being to sent to Russia.

Quote: Officials from Russia and China – which have close trade ties with Iran, and oppose Western efforts to increase pressure – "have asked for permission to inspect the US spy drone," Iranian media reported.

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1209/Downed-US-drone-How-Iran-caught-the-beast


Never a truer word has been spoken!!:k_rofl:
I was being serious.


:yep::haha:

[Rockstar]

Wish I could link to the video of the broadcast.

Today on Russian TV: “Ukraine has a thermal nuclear charge primed in Mykolaiv which it will detonate and then blame on Russia so that the US has a justification for getting directly involved in the war and launching missiles on Russia”


http://americancinemathequecalendar.com/sites/default/files/stills_events_390_240/drstrangelove_0_3.jpeg?1580519195

[Gorpet]

Now that the UK is collapsing.Only Keir Starmer and the One world
Order can save the Uk.yes the left have no answers.For anything until you elect them.Ya know Liz Truss was the sacrificial lamb..How any political party can not have a predetermined successor i don't know. When JFK was killed.We had a new President before the plane left Texas.As an American i think it's all bull****, i watched a damn clown show. And this is not about Liz Truss,None of her proposals went into effect This is about Moving to a one party rule,The real Fascist. OK if the Markets can determine What goes up and what goes down.Why have a Prime Minister of a country or a President. They have nothing but a name a title. Let's find out who are the top of the Markets. Who are they? And when we find out lets put them in power. They are smarter than the goodlooking and Dumbass politicians they pay for.

[Gorpet]

But Taiwan is a US thing, geographically? Or Afghanistan?
I always thought it was about political influence.

Look dog,It doesn't matter at this point in time .We have a **** load of grandpas and grandma's.And their offsprings have to survive.Just like in your country it's a spider web and it stretches far and wide.Now if your in the web..You can only see those of us that are in the web world wide.We can identify with those that are really in the web.And i know you would like to know who is in the web is that right? Come to us and we will educated you.We will have a Christmas Eve Party on Martha's Vineyard .And We will have some prime real estate in the Ukraine.That hasn't been bombed. Look forget Taiwan! The money is in the Ukraine.Bitch there is an Ocean between America an China with no friends. Europe is the new frontier. Wake up! And after all the Ukraines are dead well **** we have all those countries who are just dying to get in to NATO.Who knows what unsoiled acreage could be left. So if your a real estate investor now is the time. Don't be a shulb and lose out,So what you might have to get rid of a tank turret or 2. Steel is worth money, And in America bodies are being turned into composet.And its good for the Planet.

[Gorpet]

Wish I could link to the video of the broadcast.

Today on Russian TV: “Ukraine has a thermal nuclear charge primed in Mykolaiv which it will detonate and then blame on Russia so that the US has a justification for getting directly involved in the war and launching missiles on Russia”


http://americancinemathequecalendar.com/sites/default/files/stills_events_390_240/drstrangelove_0_3.jpeg?1580519195

Nope. Won't happen until after the American mid term Elections. If the Democrats "The Woke" are still in power.I can see 100's of women with pink pussy hats and rainbow colored hair flying into Ukraine. Joe Biden's reserve warriors. And then America will go Nuclear.

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine's national energy company has urged citizens to "charge everything" by 07:00 (04:00 GMT) Thursday because of expected power cuts caused by Russian missile strikes.

Energy plants were hit by Russian missiles again on Wednesday - part of a wave of such strikes since 10 October.

Outages of up to four hours at a time will affect the whole country on Thursday, grid operator Ukrenergo said.

It comes as Russia declares martial law in areas of Ukraine it has annexed.

Heightened security measures have also come into force in Russia - mostly areas along the Ukraine border.

In preparation for the blackouts, Ukrenergo has appealed to Ukrainians to stock up with water and ensure they have "warm socks and blankets and hugs for family and friends".

Phones, power banks, torches and batteries need to be charged, it urged.

As much as 40% of Ukraine's energy infrastructure has been seriously damaged, according to Oleksandr Kharchenko, an adviser to the energy minister.

President Volodymyr Zelensky said three energy facilities had been destroyed on Wednesday and energy companies were preparing for "all possible scenarios" for winter. He was due to address a summit of EU leaders, who are trying to reach an agreement on bringing down gas prices.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63323263

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-qbuHvU3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrIFITdYmn4

[Jimbuna]

EU introduced anti-Iranian sanctions for supply of drones to Russia

The EU Council approved sanctions against Iran for supplying drones that struck Ukraine.

The Czech Presidency of the EU Council announced this on Twitter, Censor.NET reports.

"Sanctions against Iran in record time! After three days of negotiations, EU ambassadors agreed on measures against organizations that supply Iranian drones that struck Ukraine. The written procedure has been completed, the sanctions will enter into force this afternoon after publication in the "Official Journal" (of the European Union)," the message reads.

It is also noted that EU countries have decided to freeze the assets of three individuals and one legal entity responsible for the supply of drones. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375051

[mapuc]

Wish I could link to the video of the broadcast.

Today on Russian TV: “Ukraine has a thermal nuclear charge primed in Mykolaiv which it will detonate and then blame on Russia so that the US has a justification for getting directly involved in the war and launching missiles on Russia”


http://americancinemathequecalendar.com/sites/default/files/stills_events_390_240/drstrangelove_0_3.jpeg?1580519195

I have to ask-How reliable is this ?
And
Are we witnessing a false flag being build up here ?
Will they use this as an excuse for them to use nukes ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

American company Texas Instruments, whose electronics were found in Russian missiles, is still helping Russia bombard Ukraine. VIDEO&PHOTOS

The American company Texas Instruments, whose electronics were found in Russian missiles, still has not left the aggressor country.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to "Economic Truth".

Since 2014, the EU and the US have imposed export restrictions on dual-use goods that can be used in military products.

Despite this, many Western companies are finding alternative ways to conduct trade in the huge Russian market. And some generally ignored such sanctions and continued cooperation with the aggressor country, helping it prepare for a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Already after February 24, banned chips and electronics manufactured by the EU and the USA began to be found en masse in the weapons with which Russia has been terrorizing Ukraine for more than eight months. Some of these items were made decades ago, but not all. Foreign components have also been found in modern technology, in particular, in military drones.

Processors from the American company Texas Instruments were found in Iranian "Shahed-136" kamikaze drones. This is stated in a report published by the Strategic Communications Department of the Office of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

Earlier research was conducted by the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London. He detailed 318 components from 57 American companies, most of them from Analog Devices and Texas Instruments.

While Analog Devices announced its withdrawal from the Russian market at the beginning of March, Texas Instruments remains neutral. The official website still has the address of the Moscow office and an active Russian phone number.

The London report details 50 unique components manufactured by Texas Instruments in several Russian weapons.

In particular, we are talking about digital signal processors in the Russian Iskander cruise missiles, the CAN transceiver in the kamikaze UAV electronic detonator, power control modules in the Orlan-10 drone, as well as audio codecs and converters in several radio stations used by the Russian army.

Texas Instruments has been working in the Russian Federation for at least two decades: the distribution agreement was concluded back in 2001. Already after 2014, when Ukraine asked the world for sanctions, the American company continued to cooperate with the terrorist country: it signed documents and held seminars. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3375010

[Jimbuna]

Turkey does not take neutral position, military cooperation between countries is at high level, - Kuleba

Turkey does not take a neutral position in Russia’s war against Ukraine, and in Kyiv they are sympathetic to Ankara’s foreign policy.

This was reported by the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Dmytro Kuleba, during a briefing, Censor.NET informs with reference to LIGA.net.

According to the minister, Turkey supports Ukraine in the war - this is evidenced by the results of the vote at the United Nations, the participation of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Crimean Platform, as well as cooperation in the field of security.

He noted that military cooperation with Turkey is at a "high level".

"We understand Turkey's foreign policy. They cooperate with Ukraine in important areas for us, and at the same time conduct economic activities with Russia," Kuleba added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374999

[Jimbuna]

Everything indicates that Iran supplies drones to Russia, - Stoltenberg

The North Atlantic Alliance has no doubt that Iran is supplying drones to Russia and is monitoring Tehran’s further actions.

This was announced by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Censor.NET informs with reference to the EP.

"I never talk about specific intelligence, but I can say that everything points to Iran supplying Russia with drones. We call on all countries, including Iran, not to support Russia's illegal war against Ukraine," Stoltenberg said.

He noted that NATO is closely monitoring Iran's actions against the background of reports of intentions to supply Russia not only with drones but also with missiles.

"This is military aggression. This is a war that is an obvious violation of international law. And this is an attack on a sovereign state in Europe. NATO allies and partners provide unprecedented support to Ukraine.
Last week, several countries announced the provision of air defense systems, and the terrible drone attacks that we have seen recently only emphasize the urgency of increasing support for Ukraine," added the Secretary General of the Alliance.

Also remind, that earlier Iran rejected accusations regarding the supply of arms to Russia.

The White House said that Iran is lying when it claims that it is not supplying Russia with kamikaze drones for the war with Ukraine.

According to the American Institute for the Study of War (ISW), the Iranian military in occupied Crimea is teaching Russians how to use kamikaze drones. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375044

[Jimbuna]

Blowing up Kakhovka HPP will be disaster and will make it impossible to supply water to occupied Crimea for years, - Danilov. VIDEO

The Russian invaders can probably resort to blowing up the Kakhovka HPP, but this will primarily harm them because the water supply to the occupied Crimea will be stopped.

This was stated by Oleksii Danilov, Secretary of the NSDC, in an interview with Channel 24, Censor.NET informs.

The Russian invaders can probably resort to blowing up the Kakhovka HPP, but this will primarily harm them because the water supply to the occupied Crimea will be stopped.

This was stated by Oleksii Danilov, Secretary of the NSDC, in an interview with Channel 24, Censor.NET informs.
"If they resort to such things, there can be no water supply there in the coming years," he emphasized.

"It's another matter that they can destroy the units that are there and produce electricity for our country. They can do that and we have information about these things," the NSDC secretary added.

According to him, according to Ukrainian calculations, if the occupiers go to blow up the Kakhovka HPP, there is a danger for some settlements. Yes, it will not just be the destruction of infrastructure facilities, but a catastrophe of an incredible scale with a huge number of human victims. Source: https://censor.net/en/v3375025

[Jimbuna]

"Ukrenergo" considers any scenario in case of damage to energy system of Ukraine, even most extreme

Volodymyr Kudrytsky, the head of the board of "Ukrenergo", assured that several variants of the development of the situation with different intensities of damage to the energy system of Ukraine have been planned and worked out.

He told about this on the air of a nationwide telethon, Censor.NET reports with reference to Liga.net.

"We consider any scenario, even the most extreme. We calculate how the energy system will work under different levels of destruction.
We know what to do in different situations. The power system is currently maintaining its integrity, and the [electricity] consumption restrictions that we are putting in place, for example, today, are precisely aimed at ensuring that the power system remains stable," he said.

According to Kudrytsky, "we, as a state, should be ready for anything."

He said that as a result of the strikes of the Russian Federation, part of the electricity generation was lost, and "it will probably take several days" to return the volume of its production to the previous level.

Kudrytskyi thanked the Ukrainians who heeded the calls to save electricity and urged them not to treat it as a one-day action: it should be done in the future because the Russians attack infrastructure and power plants almost every day. Energy companies need time to restore what was destroyed, and saving is a "rest" for the energy system of the regions and the country.

"It is very important that our consumers understand that consumption restrictions give us the opportunity to stabilize the situation. That is, they are not evidence of the collapse of the energy system: on the contrary, they say that we are in control of what is happening," he said.

According to the representative of Ukrenergo, if Ukrainians do not comply with the recommendation to save money (or the infrastructure will be severely destroyed), it will be necessary to introduce planned blackouts in the areas for several hours.

Kudrytskyi hopes that with the beginning of the heating season, people will turn off part of the electric heaters and partially relieve the power grid. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375034

[MaDef]

Turkey does not take neutral position, military cooperation between countries is at high level, - Kuleba
"We understand Turkey's foreign policy. They cooperate with Ukraine in important areas for us, and at the same time conduct economic activities with Russia," Kuleba added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374999

American company Texas Instruments, whose electronics were found in Russian missiles, is still helping Russia bombard Ukraine. VIDEO&PHOTOS

The American company Texas Instruments, whose electronics were found in Russian missiles, still has not left the aggressor country.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to "Economic Truth".

Since 2014, the EU and the US have imposed export restrictions on dual-use goods that can be used in military products.

Despite this, many Western companies are finding alternative ways to conduct trade in the huge Russian market. And some generally ignored such sanctions and continued cooperation with the aggressor country, helping it prepare for a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Texas Instruments has been working in the Russian Federation for at least two decades: the distribution agreement was concluded back in 2001. Already after 2014, when Ukraine asked the world for sanctions, the American company continued to cooperate with the terrorist country: it signed documents and held seminars. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3375010

Interesting... Turkey's economic activities with Russia are OK. U.S. economic activities with Russia are BAD.

I'm not talking specifics here, just the general tone of those 2 articles.


The Europeans have made a mess of this situation. You're afraid of Putin and are hoping the Ukraine (w/ U.S backing) will stop Him before you have to get your hands dirty.

If it were up to me I would wash my hands of the whole deal. I would pull out of NATO and redeploy those troops to my Southern Border, and the Western Pacific.

[Dargo]

This is not a confident dictator, LOL

Alexander Lukashenko, the self-proclaimed president of Belarus, has announced that people need to be given full information about the processes taking place in Belarus and the existing threats, so that they can choose for themselves whether "to live quietly and calmly or go through troubled times".

Source: Belarusian state-owned news outlet BelTA, quoting a statement made by Lukashenko at a meeting held on 20 October on the formation of the Belarusian People's Congress and amendments to electoral legislation

Details: The self-proclaimed president reminded his audience that he had previously instructed defence, security, law enforcement and other agencies to keep people informed about what was happening.

According to Lukashenko, he is not doing this to scare people, but in order to "inform people about everything that is going on, and then let people make a decision".

Quote from Lukashenko: "If you want to go through troubles – please go ahead. Off you go, and good luck with that. If you want things to be quiet and peaceful, so that even if you don't take a shower yourself in the morning and evening (although I think everyone has the opportunity to do that), you can at least bath your children in warm water, [if you want] to have a warm house, with gas, oil and so on, something to snack on or eat in the morning and evening, and something to wear - if this is what you want (this is also an option), then grit your teeth and go ahead, do what I tell you."

Details: Speaking about the upcoming elections in 2024, Lukashenko said that they should be held under new rules and will not be easy.

In particular, he said preparations must be made "to counter attempts to disrupt the elections".

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/20/7372722/

[Aktungbby]

Turkey does not take neutral position, military cooperation between countries is at high level, - Kuleba

Turkey does not take a neutral position in Russia’s war against Ukraine, and in Kyiv they are sympathetic to Ankara’s foreign policy.

This was reported by the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Dmytro Kuleba, during a briefing, Censor.NET informs with reference to LIGA.net.

According to the minister, Turkey supports Ukraine in the war - this is evidenced by the results of the vote at the United Nations, the participation of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Crimean Platform, as well as cooperation in the field of security.

He noted that military cooperation with Turkey is at a "high level".

"We understand Turkey's foreign policy. They cooperate with Ukraine in important areas for us, and at the same time conduct economic activities with Russia," Kuleba added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374999 Just keeping the Bosphorus closed to all warships puts strategic crimp in Vlad the Grate's challenge to the world-order or as Ol' Adolf, the kaiser, and Ol' Boney learned in the Battle of the Atlantic, Jutland and the Battle of the Nile(Trafalgar was after) respectively, if you don't "rule the waves" ultimately, you're simply a land-bound wannabe 'havenot' tactician and not a strategic global hegemon...

[Aktungbby]

Despite this, many Western companies are finding alternative ways to conduct trade in the huge Russian market. And some generally ignored such sanctions and continued cooperation with the aggressor country, helping it prepare for a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. 'Cmon now! Ru$$ian conscript$ and motherRussia lovin' re$ervi$t$ https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/00077a13-5e32-4a61-8942-ffdaf423e25d.jpg:nope: and Ukranian puppet clients plus a few diehard 'Merikan and Brit volunteers are in a proxy war that bolsters the western economy https://media.tenor.com/L4kxJ-TBxQMAAAAC/greed-lackofabetterword.gif are alway$ expendable!!? Commodity producers in Australia, Canada, Latin America and South Africa stand to benefit from higher commodity prices and the loss in Russian supply to global markets. J.P. Morgan Research expects Asia and Middle East to provide better stability while Latin America should benefit from higher commodity prices. Asia should be supported by the higher quality composition and greater proportion of a domestic investor base, which should make Asia less susceptible to a reversal in global EM flows, while Middle East should benefit from stronger oil prices. Commodity-heavy Africa should also fare better. For Latin American corporates, the recent sell-off has created better entry points for certain credits such as those in financials, miners and oil and gas exporters. Issuers from these sectors stand to benefit from either rising rates or higher commodity prices. https://www.jpmorgan.com/insights/research/russia-ukraine-crisis-market-impact

[Dargo]

Troops newly-mobilised for the war in Ukraine are being forced to pay for their own kit as army supply depots run low on everything from uniforms and boots, to flak-jackets and night-vision equipment. As questions are asked in the Russian Duma about what’s going on, BBC Russian has discovered that one possible reason is theft – by serving soldiers, in army bases all across the country. And as court documents show, some of it is happening on an almost industrial scale.

https://bbcrussian.substack.com/p/shocking-theft-in-russian-army

[Aktungbby]

Troops newly-mobilised for the war in Ukraine are being forced to pay for their own kit as army supply depots run low on everything from uniforms and boots, to flak-jackets and night-vision equipment. As questions are asked in the Russian Duma about what’s going on, BBC Russian has discovered that one possible reason is theft – by serving soldiers, in army bases all across the country. And as court documents show, some of it is happening on an almost industrial scale.

https://bbcrussian.substack.com/p/shocking-theft-in-russian-army Well food shouldn't be an immediate problem: those reservists ( my post above) appear like they can live off their 'humps' for awhile! ie "an army (literally ) marches on it's stomach":O:

[Dargo]

Russian forces continue to use CS gas K-51 grenades in Kherson region on Ukrainian units.

Several Ukrainian soldiers from the 126th have been rushed to hospital.

The describe it as "chemical bombs" https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1583163697320833025

[Jimbuna]

Mobilization, annexation and martial law testify to Putin’s desperation, - Blinken

The latest decisions of the Russian president, which led to the failure of mass mobilization in Russia, as well as his declaration of "martial law" in the territories over which he is rapidly losing control, indicate that Putin has fallen into despair.

This was stated by US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrinform.

"This is another sign that indicates Putin's desperation," the head of the State Department commented on the situation.

Blinken explained that only in the last few weeks, Putin tried to mobilize more forces, and resorted to the so-called "annexation" of Ukrainian territories. "Now he says that he is introducing martial law in places where, as he claims, there are people who want to be part of Russia. This shows his desperation," the US Secretary of State noted.

Read more: Zelensky on explosion on Crimean bridge: "We definitely did not order this"

He emphasized that Putin is resorting to attacks on the civilian population of Ukraine, and indiscriminate bombing of power plants, schools, and hospitals. In this connection, Blinken called Putin's decisions irrational.

The US Secretary of State also answered questions about Russian threats to use nuclear weapons.

"We spoke very clearly to President Putin directly, as well as privately, about the severe consequences that will follow the use of any type of nuclear weapon," the head of American diplomacy noted. At the same time, Blinken noted that he currently sees no reason for the US to change its own nuclear position. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375161

[Jimbuna]

Effectiveness of air defense of Ukraine is 64%, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine

The effectiveness of the air defense system of Ukraine is 64%, 81 missiles out of 126 used by Russia in Ukraine were destroyed.

This was announced by the Deputy Chief of the Main Operational Department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Brigadier General Oleksiy Hromov, Censor.NET reports with reference to Interfax-Ukraine.

"The effectiveness of our air defense system remains at a fairly high level - 64%, and 81 missiles out of 126 used were destroyed," he said.

Gromov noted that in view of gaining experience and receiving new samples of portable anti-aircraft missile systems during the last week, the efficiency of the air defense system of Ukraine has increased significantly.

At the same time, he emphasized that since October 10, the Russian military has fired 154 missiles over Ukraine, which is almost 7 times more than in the first decade of the month. In the first decade, 21 rockets were launched. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375118

[Jimbuna]

Now task #1 for Russian army is to hold front and stop Ukrainian offensive in Kherson region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine

Currently, the number one task for Russia is to contain the Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south.

Brigadier General Oleksiy Hromov, deputy chief of the Main Operational Department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, told about this during the briefing, Censor.NET informs with reference to ArmiaInform.

"For the Putin regime, the southern direction, which is Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, and Mykolaiv, is of strategic importance from the point of view of preserving the land corridor to Crimea, providing water for the peninsula and creating a future bridgehead for capturing the Mykolaiv and Odesa regions and depriving Ukraine of the status of a maritime state, as well as laying the so-called land corridor to "Transnistria," Hromov said.

He noted that in the direction of Zaporizhzhia, the enemy conducts an active defense and carries out a systematic fire attack on units of the defense forces of Ukraine, using the entire range of weapons: it carries out air and missile strikes in the areas of various settlements and on civilian infrastructure, in particular in Zaporizhzhia and Dnipro.

"These developments indicate that the number one task for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is to hold the front and stop the Ukrainian offensive in the Kherson direction," said a representative of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The general noted that the enemy plans to solve such a task first of all at the expense of the first wave of partial mobilization and by increasing the number of groups of the Russian Armed Forces on the right bank of the Dnipro River.

"Today, in order to restrain the advance of units of our troops in the South Bug operational area, the enemy has concentrated up to 45 battalion tactical groups, which accelerate the fortification equipment of defensive lines. At the same time, the enemy is constantly trying to restore crossings across the Dnipro River in order to provide comprehensive support to its troops," he noted Hromov.

Instead, the units of the Armed Forces continue to inflict fire damage on concentrations of personnel, weapons, and military equipment of the enemy and in areas of concentration and on positions. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375117

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT4_okcl_uU

[mapuc]

According to news here and what Denys says in the beginning of this video

Iran is now taking active part in the war-They have instructors in Crimea where they train Russian in using their Kamikaze Drones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHtWV05Ajlg

So far it's only instructors Iran have send. Don't know if they are planning on sending ordinary combat soldiers.

Markus

[Skybird]

So far it's only instructors Iran have send. Don't know if they are planning on sending ordinary combat soldiers.

MarkusI may be radical there, but when you take side with one party in a war by instructing them or delivering them wepaons that you refuse to sell to the other side becaseu the other side is "the other side" and not he chosen side, then you are an active war participant in my book. That is true for Western nations, and of course also for Iran, like it is with Belarus, or historically like it was with China in Vietnam, the US in the Sovjet-Afghanistan war, and so forth.

You cannot meddle in any way in an active war and then claim you are no war party. That made never sense to me. You nonly do not take sides if you treta bboth sides euqlly: Either you support none of the warrying faction in their war effort, or in principle are willing to sell weapons to all of them. Only then you are "neutral" and treat both sides the same. But when you aid the one side and reject to do so for the other, you have taken sides.

[mapuc]

^ I think you missed this sentence above the video
"Iran is now taking active part in the war-They have instructors in Crimea where they train Russian in using their Kamikaze Drones."

Markus

[Skybird]

I wanted to point out that to me instructors ARE active combat soldiers.


In principle the Ukriane war has been a world war from beginning on, considering how any nations provide this or that form of militarily relevant informatin, assistance, aid, intel, weapons. Everybobdy denies it, however, because everybody is afraid of drawing the consequnce this confession would command. To admit that were are already fighting in an active war against Russia.


Considering the economic ties still existing even between Ukraine and Russia, the many sanctions and wanted holes in them, the complete absurdity of the mutual economic constellation, this war is utmost absurd indeed, in many regards. A really bizarr war.

[mapuc]

I wanted to point out that to me instructors ARE active combat soldiers.


In principle the Ukriane war has been a world war from beginning on, considering how any nations provide this or that form of militarily relevant informatin, assistance, aid, intel, weapons. Everybobdy denies it, however, because everybody is afraid of drawing the consequnce this confession would command. To admit that were are already fighting in an active war against Russia.


Considering the economic ties still existing even between Ukraine and Russia, the many sanctions and wanted holes in them, the complete absurdity of the mutual economic constellation, this war is utmost absurd indeed, in many regards. A really bizarr war.

Aha then I have to agree on what you wrote.

You are also fully correct in saying it's a world war.

Speculation:
Now Iran is taking part together with Russian-Later Belarus will most likely join the party too and so will soldiers from NK.

For how long can we stay outside this war if this should happen ?

Markus

[August]

Instructors and technicians are not the same as Infantry, Calvary or Artillery. Those are the "Combat Arms" of an Army and what people normally refer to as "Combat Soldiers".

They are combatants yes but more along the lines of aircraft or ship crewmen. They would have combat troops assigned to protect the perimeter of their bases.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gkQv7rLZSg

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 66,750 people, 243 helicopters, 2,573 tanks, 1,648 artillery systems, 5,258 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 21, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 66,750 people.

This was reported in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET informs.

The total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 21/10 are approximately:

personnel - about 66,750 (+100) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2573 (+6) units,
armored combat vehicles - 5258 (+3) units,
artillery systems - 1648 (+2) units,
MLRS - 372 (+0) units,
air defense equipment - 189 (+0) units,
aircraft - 269 (+0) units,
helicopters - 243 (+0) units,
UAVs of operational-tactical level - 1325 (+14),
cruise missiles - 329 (+0),
ships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4006 (+1) units,
special equipment - 147 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375257

[Jimbuna]

With troops in Belarus, Russian Federation may try to pull AFU from south or Donbas, - White House

Russia and Belarus may build up troops on the border with Ukraine to see if this will help draw Ukrainian forces away from the south or Donbas.

John Kirby, the strategic communications coordinator of the National Security Council at the White House, said this at a press conference, Censor.NET reports with reference to Liga.net.

The US saw an agreement between the Russian Federation and Belarus to deploy more troops and create something similar to territorial defense, Kirby said. But it remains to be seen whether this is a serious strategic move on the part of Belarus to intervene in Ukraine.

"It could be an attempt to just see if they can divert the armed forces to that part of their border so they can't be used elsewhere in the Donbas or the south, and that could be a tactic here," Kirby said.

So far, the US has seen no signs that Belarus is ready to directly invade Ukraine and fight, says a White House official. But Washington will monitor the situation as closely as it can.

Kirby also emphasized that Belarus served as a base for Russian troops for eight months.

"Belarus certainly provided material, moral and tangible support to the full-scale invasion of Ukraine," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375241

[Jimbuna]

Occupiers are retreating from Kherson, preparing to blow up Kakhovka HPP dam, - ISW

Russia probably continues to prepare an operation under a "foreign flag" regarding the destruction of the Kakhovka HPP dam, for which it intends to blame Ukraine.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to data from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW).

Russian troops appear to be beginning to remove equipment and machinery from the west bank of the Dnieper in anticipation of an upcoming offensive by the Ukrainian army.

Experts cite messages from Kherson Telegram channels about the looting and removal of property and equipment from the city's fire station and also refer to satellite images that show cargo ferries transporting significant amounts of equipment and other cargo from the right bank of the Dnipro to the left and returning empty.

It seems that the Russian army learned a lesson from the panic retreat near Kharkiv, as a result of which a considerable amount of combat equipment, weapons, and ammunition was left to the Ukrainians, analysts conclude. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375237

[Skybird]

The muddy season begins in Ukraine,slowing down Ukrainian tanks, but then winter comes when it all freeezes, and the tanks will advance faster again. I wonder what the freezing season will mean if the Russians blow up the dam and flood huge lands along the Dinjipr. These new water areas cannot be deep with water, but shallow, I would guess they would freeze, and then maybe be even more accessible and easier for tracks adn wheels alike to roll on than a mud desert freezing with an uneven surface. I dont know, but in the long run blowing up the dam maybe works against the Russians?! Is anyone here who has professional knowledge or practical experience on according stuff and matters who could assess this hypothesis?


And what would the then missing water west of the dam mean for the cooling of the nculear powerplant in Zaphorizhzia? Is it at risk?

[Aktungbby]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 66,280 people, 2,554 tanks, 1,637 artillery systems, 5,235 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian invaders, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 19, the loss of enemy personnel is approximately 66,280.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 19/10 are approximately:

personnel - about 66,280 (+430) people were liquidated,
tanks ‒ 2554 (+6) units,
armored combat vehicles ‒ 5235 (+16) units,
artillery systems - 1637 (+15) units,
MRLS – 372 (+0) units,
air defense equipment ‒ 189 (+1) units,
aircraft – 269 (+1) units,
helicopters – 242 (+0) units,
UAVs of the operational-tactical level - 1286 (+10),
cruise missiles ‒ 323 (+5),
ships/boats ‒ 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 3999 (+14) units,
special equipment ‒ 146 (+2).
"The data is being verified," the message states. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3374737

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 66,750 people, 243 helicopters, 2,573 tanks, 1,648 artillery systems, 5,258 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 21, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 66,750 people.

This was reported in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET informs.

The total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 21/10 are approximately:

personnel - about 66,750 (+100) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2573 (+6) units,
armored combat vehicles - 5258 (+3) units,
artillery systems - 1648 (+2) units,
MLRS - 372 (+0) units,
air defense equipment - 189 (+0) units,
aircraft - 269 (+0) units,
helicopters - 243 (+0) units,
UAVs of operational-tactical level - 1325 (+14),
cruise missiles - 329 (+0),
ships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4006 (+1) units,
special equipment - 147 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375257:hmmm: A slight gain in casualties since the 19th then?:o 530 more unhappy babushkas; 19 more tanks; 11 artillery pieces; 23 armored vehicles; 1 helicoptor; 1 special equipment...as the Russians say: "numbers have a cashet of their own"

[Skybird]

I had a closer look on the maps, regarding the riverways. What irritates me is that Putin on the one hand wants to keep the Krimea and before the war has accused Ukraine to have interruopted water supply for it (Kriema depnds on Ukriane for sweet water supply for the fertile famrign spoils it has), but that if he blows up that dam, the river leading from the Diniepr down to Krimea would run dry. The waster supply for Crimea then would come to an lastign end. Does htis mean her has already givne up Crimea?

I dont think so.

Which means the dam threta is just this: a threat.

The Ukraine however cannot afford to just assume that. If the Ukraine has thousands of troops and major parts of its combat equipment in Cherson and then the yget overflooded and drowned, a signficant part of its military power will be destroyed. I could imagien that this is a trap the Russian mount when their top egnerla recently reinterate dbow desperate the situation is and that Russia must be prepared to pull out (he did not say it, but implied it). If its a trap, the trap lies in luring the Ukrainians into Cherson and the surrounding area with significant parts of their combat power, and then annihilating it there by destroying the dam and drown them.


I think its just anotehr threat, but nobody can afford to just take it as that. One must deal with it as if it were serious. Anything else would be an insane gamble.

[Dargo]

Aha then I have to agree on what you wrote.

You are also fully correct in saying it's a world war.

Speculation:
Now Iran is taking part together with Russian-Later Belarus will most likely join the party too and so will soldiers from NK.

For how long can we stay outside this war if this should happen ?

MarkusNot seen NK artillery ammo or NK personnel on fronts, Iran is too busy to suppress a revolution they will not send any big fighting force, Belarus army is irrelevant hardly a change against Ukraine army Belarus is used as threat and a stock country in all see not real danger from those countries.

[Rockstar]

…Belarus is used as threat and a stock country in all see not real danger from those countries.


I kinda think the Russians are in Belarus primarily to quell any potential uprisings and keep Lukashcenka in power.

[Jimbuna]

US and Russian defence ministers discuss Ukraine in rare talks

The US and Russian defence secretaries have spoken in a phone call, in a rare moment of high-level contact between the two countries since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu spoke on Friday, the two countries confirmed.

Both sides said the situation in Ukraine was discussed.

It is the first time they have spoken since a call on 13 May.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63348743

[Dargo]

I had a closer look on the maps, regarding the riverways. What irritates me is that Putin on the one hand wants to keep the Krimea and before the war has accused Ukraine to have interruopted water supply for it (Kriema depnds on Ukriane for sweet water supply for the fertile famrign spoils it has), but that if he blows up that dam, the river leading from the Diniepr down to Krimea would run dry. The waster supply for Crimea then would come to an lastign end. Does htis mean her has already givne up Crimea?

I dont think so.

Which means the dam threta is just this: a threat.

The Ukraine however cannot afford to just assume that. If the Ukraine has thousands of troops and major parts of its combat equipment in Cherson and then the yget overflooded and drowned, a signficant part of its military power will be destroyed. I could imagien that this is a trap the Russian mount when their top egnerla recently reinterate dbow desperate the situation is and that Russia must be prepared to pull out (he did not say it, but implied it). If its a trap, the trap lies in luring the Ukrainians into Cherson and the surrounding area with significant parts of their combat power, and then annihilating it there by destroying the dam and drown them.


I think its just anotehr threat, but nobody can afford to just take it as that. One must deal with it as if it were serious. Anything else would be an insane gamble.That is why the dam will be the first goal to take in any Ukraine offensive, Russians also seen digging trenches on Crimea Kherson border maybe they really do not want a second hasty chaotic retreat like before and pulling troops out of Kherson to defend Crimea.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-8SAg0ogk

[Jimbuna]

German Foreign Ministry considers actions of Russian military in Ukraine to be genocide

The German government believes that official Kyiv should insist in international courts that Russia committed genocide during its aggression in Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs regarding European Pravda, this was stated by the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs of Germany, Member of the Bundestag Tobias Lindner at the conference "International Law Against Genocide" held in Berlin by the Center for Liberal Modernity (LibMod).

"The crimes being committed now should be qualified as genocide, and with such qualification, they should be brought to court. And only then should the court decide whether these are crimes against humanity or genocide," he said.

"The President of Russia has repeatedly denied the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians," the politician recalled, explaining that it was about genocide.

As an example of a genocidal war episode, he cited the carpet bombing and other destruction of civilians in Mariupol.

"We know that many people were killed in Mariupol, and those who remained have no electricity, no food, no water. How can we evaluate this crime?" he explained.

Lindner also considers the mass deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia an episode of genocide.

"We are talking about the abduction of Ukrainian children, when they were placed in families with Russian parents for so-called adoption," the state minister explained.

Tobias Lindner emphasized that Germany "knows very well what genocide is" because it has a similar sad page in its history. He also added that the punishment of the leaders of the Russian Federation for this crime is very important so that such a crime does not happen again - just as Germany and the leaders of the Third Reich were punished.

"The Nuremberg Tribunal was a gift that helped our country. 22 Nazis were found guilty," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375335

[Dargo]

I kinda think the Russians are in Belarus primarily to quell any potential uprisings and keep Lukashcenka in power.Yes, Lukashenko is not so confident that he stays in power without buttbuddy Putin

[Skybird]

That is why the dam will be the first goal to take in any Ukraine offensive, Russians also seen digging trenches on Crimea Kherson border maybe they really do not want a second hasty chaotic retreat like before and pulling troops out of Kherson to defend Crimea.
If they did a proper job with mining that dam, the blowing up is only a button-press away. No czhance to take them by surprise - if they are not totally incapable. I would assume they have not assigned new conscripts for that task, but something like spetznatz or other skilled, trained specialists. Not all Russian soldiers are idiots or poor village boys.


Its like me sitting in a room in the upper floor with the thumb on the light switch, troops in every room aroudn and below and patrols outside, and you being outside, wanting to get to me and saying Booh! before I can flip that switch.

[Jimbuna]

Belarus has no intention of war with anyone, - Lukashenko

The self-proclaimed president of Belarus, Oleksandr Lukashenko, said that Belarus does not need any war today.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the Belarusian mass media.

"Don't pay attention to this howling. We are not going anywhere today. There is no war today. We don't need it," the Belarusian dictator emphasized.

Lukashenko added that everyone should do their own thing "if we want there to be no war." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375330

[Jimbuna]

Russia deliberately delays ships carrying Ukrainian grain, - Zelenskyi. VIDEO

Address of President Volodymyr Zelenskyi to Ukrainian citizens at an end of day 240 of full-scale war with Russia.

The correspondent videо was posted by President's press office, informs Censor.NЕТ.

"The situation around the grain export initiative is becoming more and more tense these weeks. The enemy is doing everything to slow down our food exports. Today, more than 150 vessels are in line to fulfill contractual obligations to supply our agricultural products. This is a man-made queue. It arose only because Russia deliberately delays the passage of ships.

Every day that grain ships stand in the queue means an increase in social and political tension in the countries that consume our agricultural products. During the work of our grain initiative, we have short-exported about 3 million tons of agricultural products due to the Russian inhibition. And this is the annual consumption for 10 million people.

Russia is doing everything to ensure that at least hundreds of thousands of these people become forced migrants who will seek asylum in Turkey or in the EU countries, or die of starvation. And we and our partners must do everything to ensure that the grain initiative not only survives, but also works at 100 percent capacity," Zelenskyi said. Source: https://censor.net/en/v3375421

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine does not have anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense against Iran’s ballistic missiles - Air Force

Ukraine has no means of countering Iranian ballistic missiles, which may appear in the arsenal of the Russian army, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine are working on this.

Yuriy Ignat, the spokesman of the Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, said this at a briefing on October 21, reports Censor.NET with reference to Liga.net.

"Unfortunately, there is information that Russia will strengthen itself through ballistics. I want to note that, as our MLRS experts say, the best defense against ballistic missiles is to destroy them where they stand or on the way. It is necessary to hide because an aeroballistic missile flies from above and falls at a tremendous speed," Ignat said.

He emphasized that Ukraine currently has no means of anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense to counteract this weapon, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine are looking for methods.

"Iran is likely to supply [ballistic missiles] unless there is some mechanism in the world to stop those supplies," an Air Force spokesman said.

From the "positive," Ignat singled out the fact that such supplies indicate a shortage of ballistic missiles in the Russian army. Missiles of this type - "Iskander-M" - are located in the Kaliningrad region of the Russian Federation and on the territory of Belarus.

"Ballistic weapons are not something new for us, they constantly strike with these missiles, and the fact that they are already in short supply in Russia is good news. We would not ask Iran for that," Ignat said, stressing that Iranian missiles significantly lose to Russia in terms of technical characteristics. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375342

[Skybird]

German Foreign Ministry considers actions of Russian military in Ukraine to be genocide

The German government believes that official Kyiv should insist in international courts that Russia committed genocide during its aggression in Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs regarding European Pravda, this was stated by the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs of Germany, Member of the Bundestag Tobias Lindner at the conference "International Law Against Genocide" held in Berlin by the Center for Liberal Modernity (LibMod).

"The crimes being committed now should be qualified as genocide, and with such qualification, they should be brought to court. And only then should the court decide whether these are crimes against humanity or genocide," he said.

"The President of Russia has repeatedly denied the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians," the politician recalled, explaining that it was about genocide.

As an example of a genocidal war episode, he cited the carpet bombing and other destruction of civilians in Mariupol.

"We know that many people were killed in Mariupol, and those who remained have no electricity, no food, no water. How can we evaluate this crime?" he explained.

Lindner also considers the mass deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia an episode of genocide.

"We are talking about the abduction of Ukrainian children, when they were placed in families with Russian parents for so-called adoption," the state minister explained.

Tobias Lindner emphasized that Germany "knows very well what genocide is" because it has a similar sad page in its history. He also added that the punishment of the leaders of the Russian Federation for this crime is very important so that such a crime does not happen again - just as Germany and the leaders of the Third Reich were punished.

"The Nuremberg Tribunal was a gift that helped our country. 22 Nazis were found guilty," he added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375335
It IS genocide, absolkutely zero doubt. There are legally binding defintion sof what is genocide (and what not), it goes beiynd just the immediate killing in huge scores, I have no dohbt that it is genocide. 100% saure. But the coaltion government in Germany is split on this, Bubble-Olaf will be extrneely hesitent (when is he not) not call it that while the Green party abse is more open to thiis call. The point is if a goivenrment calls something goneicde it is under mandatory, binding legal obligaiton to reatc to it accortdingly, that is also incldued in the anti-genocide convention, and that is the reaosn why gencodies spo foten do not get called "gencoide", becasue givernment want to avoid these obligations, and certainly the German one wants to avoid it in this case, at any cost.



Its not fair, its not just and its not right. But nations, ALL nations, are egoists, first and foremost.

[Dargo]

If they did a proper job with mining that dam, the blowing up is only a button-press away. No czhance to take them by surprise - if they are not totally incapable. I would assume they have not assigned new conscripts for that task, but something like spetznatz or other skilled, trained specialists. Not all Russian soldiers are idiots or poor village boys.


Its like me sitting in a room in the upper floor with the thumb on the light switch, troops in every room aroudn and below and patrols outside, and you being outside, wanting to get to me and saying Booh! before I can flip that switch.Problem is Russians got +20 BTG's in the flooding area, they will lose veteran BTG's that is also reason for slow offensive there this kind and size is not present on any other front if they do this they lose their best troops.

[Skybird]

Problem is Russians got +20 BTG's in the flooding area, they will lose veteran BTG's that is also reason for slow offensive there this kind and size is not present on any other front if they do this they lose their best troops.
Since when do they care...?

[Dargo]

Since when do they care...?Because this will create huge problems on other fronts and in Russia this will not receive applause these troops are the best and all they got left to defend Crimea.

[Rockstar]

She hits the nail squarely on the head.

https://youtu.be/cWO5e5TbDsI

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG4YPEtS0Y8

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNw1a7TXy6k

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IflefGZlnCE

[Skybird]

Because this will create huge problems on other fronts and in Russia this will not receive applause these troops are the best and all they got left to defend Crimea.
Nothing that cant be healed by building walls of Russian bodies blocking any breach in the frontline. They do so since - well, since always, it seems.

[Jimbuna]

There should not bу direct conflict between Russia and NATO, - Scholz

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz warned against rash steps during Russia’s war against Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs about this with reference to DW.

According to Scholz, the war in Ukraine should not turn into a world war, but such a danger should not be completely dismissed. "There should not be a direct conflict between Russia and NATO," Scholz emphasized in an interview with Welt am Sonntag.

He noted that Germany provides the largest financial, humanitarian and military support to Ukraine after the United States.

We will remind, commenting on the results of the two-day EU summit in Brussels, Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz stated that Europe continues to be united in its support for Ukraine. He emphasized that the summit testified that Europe remains united and determined to continue supporting Ukraine in its defense - politically, humanitarian, financially, as well as with weapons.
A priority for Ukraine amid the horrific attacks on critical infrastructure, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told European leaders, is air defense to protect the residents of Kyiv, Odesa, and many other cities and places from attacks by Russian aircraft and drones. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375512

[Jimbuna]

Iran condemned UN’s call to investigate use of kamikaze drones in Ukraine

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran strongly condemned the demand of Germany, France, and Great Britain to investigate Tehran’s supply of drones to Russia.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Reuters.

"The government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, seeking to protect its national interests and ensure the rights of the noble Iranian people, reserves the right to respond to any irresponsible actions. It will not hesitate to protect the interests of the Iranian people," the ministry spokesman said in a statement on October 22.

Also remind, that on October 21 Great Britain, France and Germany called on the UN to investigate allegations of Russia's use of drones of Iranian origin to attack Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375528

[Dargo]

Nothing that cant be healed by building walls of Russian bodies blocking any breach in the frontline. They do so since - well, since always, it seems.The new General of the Army Sergey Surovikin has other ideas about that Russians realize Kherson is lost and makes the decision to retreat and use those troops to defend the Donbas and Crimea. Winter is coming, Russia needs to shorten supply lines because the bombing of the Crimea bridge that supply line is gone for months. Current supply line to Kherson is too long and under Ukraine reach.

[Jimbuna]

Air strikes have hit critical infrastructure in central and western Ukraine, as Russia continues to target the country's energy grid.

Sites to the south and west of Kyiv have been struck and power cuts have been reported across the country.

Ukrainian officials say many Russian cruise missiles have been intercepted by air defence systems.

Almost a third of the country's power stations have been destroyed in a wave of air strikes since Monday last week.

On Saturday Ukrainian officials said "critical infrastructure" had been hit in the Cherkasy region, south-east of the capital Kyiv. A huge fire has been reported near the town of Smila.

There have been blackouts in Khmelnytskyi, further west. Air strikes and power disruptions are also being reported from Odesa in the south to Rivne and Lutsk in the north-west.

The Ukrainian energy distribution company said it would limit electricity supply in several regions, including Kyiv.

The government introduced restrictions on the use of power for the first time on Thursday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63357393

[Jimbuna]

Use of nuclear weapons by Russia will be "act of enmity against humanity", - Prime Minister of Japan Kishida

Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said Russia’s use of nuclear weapons would be viewed as "an act of enmity against humanity."

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to AFP.

"The behavior of Russia, which threatens to use nuclear weapons, is a serious threat to the peace and security of the international community and is completely unacceptable," Kishida said during a speech in Australia.

He emphasized that the 77-years of non-use of nuclear weapons "must not be terminated."

"If nuclear weapons are ever used, it will be an act of enmity against humanity... The international community will never allow such an act," he said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375535

[Dargo]

In the town of Podporozhye, five hundred miles from Moscow, officials at the military draft office are meeting to decide whether local resident Mikhail Ashichev should be mobilised and sent to Ukraine.

Mikhail argues his case.

"I'm not a pacifist," he explains. "If a country was trying to occupy my Motherland, or commit aggression against Russia, I would go straight to the military enlistment office and sign up, without waiting for my call-up papers. But in this particular case I believe that there is no military threat to my Motherland."

"But our Motherland is in danger," one of the officials insists.

"My Motherland wasn't in danger before 24 February," replies Mikhail, referring to the date on which Russia invaded Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63346300

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCrRepy5-zY

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NJbZ0Ikn7w

[Skybird]

He noted that Germany provides the largest financial, humanitarian and military support to Ukraine after the United States.
This smug, arrogant, Teflon-coated, incompetent, devious creep repeats his lies endlessly and with a shamelessness that is almost envy-inducing. Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lügt sich's gänzlich ungeniert. :down:


https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/


Mind you, this is the man who recently claimed before the Germans he knew it all in advance. And that he enver had expected Putin to do anythign different. And that he never had a doubt on all this would happen. But in Merkel's cabinet eh neverthless said not a singler wor,d never, at no time, against Nordsstream, and boosted support for Putin, and willingly helped the German industry to go ever deeper into investment sin Russia.


He lies, and lies, and lies and lies. And it goes like this with him since many years, since his time as mayor of Hamburg. He ahs learned that he gets away with lying, and so one wonders why he would even want to stop lying?


Ekelhaft.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZZsX7eK84E

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFqyLB022M0

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpQjh5p84M

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbdxY-yCYE0

[Jimbuna]

Kuleba called to deprive Russia of its seat in UN Security Council because of war crimes in Ukraine. VIDEO

The Minister of Foreign Affairs, Dmytro Kuleba, called for Russia to be stripped of its seat as a permanent member of the UN Security Council due to numerous war crimes committed by Russian troops in Ukraine.

He announced this on Twitter.

"After committing the crime of aggression against Ukraine, numerous war crimes, undermining global food and energy security, should Russia still occupy the seat of a permanent member of the UN Security Council?" - wrote Kuleba.

The minister also reminded that Russia received the seat of a permanent member of the UN Security Council on dubious legal grounds. Source: https://censor.net/en/v3375585

[Jimbuna]

Merkel’s policy contributed to resolution of war in Ukraine, - German Justice Minister Buschmann

According to German Justice Minister Marko Buschmann, Angela Merkel’s policy after the annexation of Crimea largely led to the war in Ukraine.

He said this in an interview with Welt, Censor.NET reports with reference to "European Truth".

The minister stated structural parallels in the security situation in Europe today and in 1938.

"We are dealing with dictators who make territorial claims. And who count on the fact that Western democracies will leave them under pressure. At that time, it was believed that we were talking about Czechoslovakia. Likewise, many believed that we were talking about Crimea. Or later, about Ukraine . But this is not so. Our entire system of values ​​is under attack here," said Bushman.

According to him, nothing can be achieved with the policy of appeasement.

"The dictator perceives this only as an invitation. As far as we know today, the fact that we Germans pushed through the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline after the annexation of Crimea was our contribution to the resolution of the war in Ukraine," Bushman said.

He also mentioned the massive Russian destabilization operations in the Baltic states.

"In the event of an attack on our NATO partners there, we would actually become a party to an armed conflict due to NATO's obligations to provide assistance," he said.

Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel said last week that she does not consider her decision to increase natural gas purchases from Russia to be a mistake, arguing that it was more profitable than liquefied natural gas at the time. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375577

[Jimbuna]

United States has deployed brigade of paratroopers in Romania near border of Ukraine, - CBS. VIDEO

The US has deployed the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division near the Ukrainian border in Romania.

This is stated in the CBS story, Censor.NET informs.

The US has deployed the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division near the Ukrainian border in Romania.

This is stated in the CBS story, Censor.NET informs.

It is noted that this is one of the most combat-capable and elite units of the US Army with a minimum time for overturning and deployment in any theater of military operations for a period of up to several days.

Units of the 101st Airborne Division of the United States are in Romania to protect NATO territory, but in the event of "an escalation of hostilities or an attack on NATO, they are fully prepared to fight on the territory of Ukraine." Source: https://censor.net/en/v3375568

[Dargo]

Ukraine's general staff confirms that russians are abandoning their positions in the northwestern parts of the #Kherson front.

Now that AFU has reached #Mylove, russians are forced to retreat towards #Beryslav and Kakhovka dam because they are in danger to get surrounded. https://twitter.com/TallbarFIN/status/1583853020126683137

https://i.postimg.cc/rs38df2f/Ffr57-Lz-WYAAe-XZT.jpg

"The enemy has completely left the settlements of Charivne and Chkalove, and officers and medical personnel have been evacuated from Beryslav."

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine operational information at 18:00 on 22 October 2022 https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1583851866127208448

https://i.postimg.cc/7P0XKm64/Ffr4mi6-XEAA-fb-K.jpg

AFU has advanced 15km south from #Dudchany & is reportedly approaching the town of #Mylove.

Mylove is about 50km north from Nova Kakhovka dam & 30km from #Beryslav. https://twitter.com/TallbarFIN/status/1583803719807664128

https://i.postimg.cc/qB6bKpn1/Ffr-NFlf-WAAEtfnd.jpg

Wagner affiliated Telegram channel says Kherson is lost and that it will be worse than the retreat from Kharkiv as they Russians have no way to get out. https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1583915862624735232

https://i.postimg.cc/YjKMt8FY/Ffsz-FBp-Xk-AEMn-JD.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/j5DD5gDF/Ffsz-FTVXk-AAm-HQf.jpg

[kpv1974]

If that were true, then prove what you are saying. I asked you earlier today for evidence of what you are saying. You never answered.


And how would you know that? More BS from from our favorite delusional commie.
You went to charm school ? :Kaleun_Sick:
Tell your mommy to get her money back. :k_rofl:

Did you receive psychological trauma as a child? Why do you mention other people's mothers?
In the context of this discussion, mothers do not play any role.

[mapuc]

^^ Is it now Putin are going to use it..!? If he are which he has threaten with then it is a good time now when his troops are in big trouble in Kherson-If not now then when..

Markus

[Dargo]

^^ Is it now Putin are going to use it..!? If he are which he has threaten with then it is a good time now when his troops are in big trouble in Kherson-If not now then when..

MarkusHe will not his elite troops are in Kherson if he gone flood them he is lost of defending the fronts he gone lose all of Ukraine occupied and Crimea

[kpv1974]

He will not his elite troops are in Kherson if he gone flood them he is lost of defending the fronts he gone lose all of Ukraine occupied and Crimea

do not forget - Putin actually designated Kherson (as a result of clown referendums) as the territory of Russia.

And for him, the loss of these territories is a very big image loss.

The battle for Kherson is expected to be epic.

[Dargo]

do not forget - Putin actually designated Kherson (as a result of clown referendums) as the territory of Russia.

And for him, the loss of these territories is a very big image loss.

The battle for Kherson is expected to be epic.Sure epic for the victorious Ukraine forces!

[mapuc]

He will not his elite troops are in Kherson if he gone flood them he is lost of defending the fronts he gone lose all of Ukraine occupied and Crimea

Oh I forgot all about the mining of the dam. I meant tactical nukes-When is the best time to use them-If you decide to.

Markus

[kpv1974]

Sure epic for the victorious Ukraine forces!

Оf course - you have the right to root for one or the other team.
Like at a football match.
Unfortunately, this is not football.

Especially for me - I am in the immediate zone of all these hostilities.

[Dargo]

Оf course - you have the right to root for one or the other team.
Like at a football match.
Unfortunately, this is not football.

Especially for me - I am in the immediate zone of all these hostilities.Advice! https://media.tenor.com/V5Xzkz8e1VsAAAAd/run-running.gif

[kpv1974]

Oh I forgot all about the mining of the dam. I meant tactical nukes-When is the best time to use them-If you decide to.

Markus


This is a photograph of the Dneproges dam blown up by retreating Red Army units. Evaluate the opening. Against the backdrop of the dam itself, not very large. This opening was formed from the explosion of six tons of ammonite. But ammonite is an industrial explosive. Why did they take ammonite and not TNT? Because there are iron ore mines nearby, in Krivoy Rog, and there was a lot of such good then. So that the enemy does not get it, part of it was used in the case.

When the Germans were already retreating from these places, they prepared the remnants of the Dneproges for the final undermining. To do this, two hundred tons of explosives were placed in the interior of the dam, and there are technological openings and passages. To finally blow this dam to dust.

The Soviet command, in order to prevent this explosion, carried out an operation against it. A reconnaissance group of twenty people secretly penetrated inside the dam and neutralized the supply cables. And still managed to take out some of the explosives from there. The heroic operation, which preserved the integrity of most of the dam, was paid for with ten lives of the reconnaissance group.

Now there is talk that Ukraine is going to blow up the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.

What she is going to blow up, no one writes. Blow up and everything. Well, like what happened with the Dneproges. There are many fantasies about how the explosives will be delivered there, to the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, and most importantly how. With the help of sea mines, in which there are fifty kilograms of explosives. Or blows from the Hymars, in which there are three hundred kilograms of explosives.

[kpv1974]

Advice! https://media.tenor.com/V5Xzkz8e1VsAAAAd/run-running.gif

You better be good. For goodness sake. :D

[mapuc]

Оf course - you have the right to root for one or the other team.
Like at a football match.
Unfortunately, this is not football.

Especially for me - I am in the immediate zone of all these hostilities.

I've been told that Ukrainian forces aim at the military and military complex..I've also been told they do anything to avoid hitting civilian targets when UA attack Belgorod and the surroundings

Markus

[kpv1974]

I've been told that Ukrainian forces aim at the military and military complex..I've also been told they do anything to avoid hitting civilian targets when UA attack Belgorod and the surroundings

Markus

Everyone lies in this war.
And the Ukrainians place their military forces in the zone where civilians are located, and also the Russians - the military are in the settlements.
They shoot at the military - and along the way, they hit civilians

Damned goverment - they sit in their protected shelters, and do not experience any trouble.

[mapuc]

Pray it wont escalate to a direct war between Nato and Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS-juwhs9s8

Markus

[kpv1974]

Pray it wont escalate to a direct war between Nato and Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS-juwhs9s8

Markus

Who is it ?

Another clairvoyant from Ukraine?

So in the Russian segment, there are a lot of the same mentally unbalanced.

Do you take this content seriously?

[mapuc]

Who is it ?

Another clairvoyant from Ukraine?

So in the Russian segment, there are a lot of the same mentally unbalanced.

Do you take this content seriously?

It's Denys Davydov an airliner pilot who gives us daily update on the war in Ukraine and he doesn't promote his own side-He is what I would call neutral in his reporting..When Russia has gain land he tell us about it.

Yes I watch his videos

Markus

[kpv1974]

It's Denys Davydov an airliner pilot who gives us daily update on the war in Ukraine and he doesn't promote his own side-He is what I would call neutral in his reporting..When Russia has gain land he tell us about it.

Yes I watch his videos

Markus

I am glad that Denis Davydov remains neutral.
With this I quite agree.
I myself and myself try to maintain the same position.

But since I'm Russian, such a position on this forum is not perceived normally (unfortunately)

[Dargo]

Who is it ?

Another clairvoyant from Ukraine?

So in the Russian segment, there are a lot of the same mentally unbalanced.

Do you take this content seriously?Do not know if you are born like this or just stupid did you realize this forum is a western forum we rule this we will win this your side try it for about 100 years and... yep you lost it get the ... out weekend troll.

[kpv1974]

Do not know if you are born like this or just stupid did you realize this forum is a western forum we rule this we will win this your side try it for about 100 years and... yep you lost it get the ... out weekend troll.

Do you have hair growing in your nose ?
They don't grow on me.
Then you'll guess for yourself. ;-)

[mapuc]

I will not use the same word as Dargo-But he's right we are pro-Ukraine here on this Forum.
I have only meet one who was more Pro-Russia-Which is you kpv1974.

I myself are ok with that as long as you behave. And so goes for the rest of us.

We have an ignore function use it-instead of going mad.

Markus

[kpv1974]

I will not use the same word as Dargo-But he's right we are pro-Ukraine here on this Forum.
I have only meet one who was more Pro-Russia-Which is you kpv1974.

I myself are ok with that as long as you behave. And so goes for the rest of us.

We have an ignore function use it-instead of going mad.

Markus

What does it mean ?
Are you ready to sacrifice your well-being at someone's expense?
Why didn't you care, for example, that there was a famine in Botswana?
And many children died. Much more than now suffered people in Ukraine.
But it didn't matter...\\
PS: I wonder how you will perceive an icy shower when the Ukrainians, and together with her, lose everything to NATO? how will you justify your current words then?

[mapuc]

What does it mean ?
Are you ready to sacrifice your well-being at someone's expense?
Why didn't you care, for example, that there was a famine in Botswana?
And many children died. Much more than now suffered people in Ukraine.
But it didn't matter...

I'm not ready or going to sacrifice my well-being I just want people to respect each other whatever their standpoint is or who they support.

Famine-To go a little off topic isn't my fault-They could have created a great community but instead they fight each other and thereby letting people suffer.

Ukraine is also a lot close to me than Botswana-Which is also normal that you care more about your next door neighbour or who live some few house from you than you would care for someone who live in a neighbour town 1-200 km from were you live.

Back to discussing the War in Ukraine

Markus

[kpv1974]

[QUOTE=mapuc;2834063]I'm not ready or going to sacrifice my well-being I just want people to respect each other whatever their standpoint is or who they support. [QUOTE]

Your overseas friends will not suffer. I hope this warms your heart a little.

[Jimbuna]

Russia has launched a "new massive strike" targeting Ukraine's energy grid, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said.

He added that the attacks were on a "very wide" scale, hitting regions in Ukraine's west, centre, south and east.

In an evening address, Mr Zelensky said power had been restored in multiple areas where it had been cut off.

Officials had said earlier on Saturday that nearly 1.5 million households had been left without electricity.

In his video, Mr Zelensky added that most of the Russian missiles and drones were being shot down, and such strikes would not stop a Ukrainian military advance.

"Of course, we do not yet have the technical ability to shoot down 100% of Russian missiles and attack drones. We will gradually come to this - with the help of our partners, I'm confident of this," the Ukrainian leader said in a video.

Almost a third of Ukraine's power stations and other energy-generating facilities have reportedly been destroyed in a wave of air strikes since Monday last week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63357393

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SleyqYvFZ_s

[Jimbuna]

Sixth UN chartered ship left port of Chornomorsk today, - Ministry of Infrastructure. PHOTO

Today, the bulk carrier PANGEO, chartered by the World Food Program (WFP) of the United Nations, left the port of Chornomorsk.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the Telegram of the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine.

Today, the bulk carrier PANGEO, chartered by the World Food Program (WFP) of the United Nations, left the port of Chornomorsk. It has 40,000 tons of wheat for Yemen on board.

Also today, October 23, as part of the "Grain Initiative" implementation, 6 ships with 124.3 thousand tons of agricultural products for Asian and European countries left the ports of Odessa, Chornomorsk, and the Port of South.

As previously reported, Russia is deliberately delaying implementing the "Grain Initiative" fully. In this connection, the ports have been operating at only 25-30% of their capacity in recent days.

In total, since August 1, 380 vessels have exported 8.5 million tons of agricultural products to the countries of Africa, Asia, and Europe from the ports of Great Odesa. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3375680

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 67,470 people, 245 helicopters, 2,584 tanks, 1,667 artillery systems, 5,284 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 23, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 67,470 people.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02 to 23.10 are approximately:

personnel - about 67,470 (+400) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2584 (+5) units,
armored combat vehicles - 5284 (+18) units,
artillery systems - 1667 (+14) units,
MLRS - 374 (+1) units,
air defense equipment - 189 (+0) units,
aircraft - 270 (+0) units,
helicopters - 245 (+2) units,
UAVs of operational-tactical level - 1361 (+20),
cruise missiles - 350 (+21),
ships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4039 (+18) units,
special equipment - 148 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375642

[Skybird]

Schoigu claims in a telephone call with Paris that Kyiy plans the detonation of a dirty bomb (conventional bomb spreading radioactive material) on its soil to discredit Moscow. He also says Kyiv had completed the construction of small tactical nukes, and further claims Kyiv againw nagst to detonate it on its soil to again discredit Moscow for it.

While i can imagine Kyiv to have build nuclear bombs (because thats what I would have secretly ordered, too, if I were in their place), I see the rest of Shoigu's claims as just another Russian attempt to prepare a false flag operation or to blackmail Ukraine, and especially the West by raising fears.

If there is a first nuke to go up, I am certain to 99+% that it will have been detonated by Russia.

The fallout from tactical nukes rather sooner than later washes away, they are designed to not contanimate the land for long time, but to be exactly like the opposite, since own troops are expected maybe to pass through short time later or fight on in that environment, the isotopes it emits are not the long-lasting dangerous isotopes like you would see after for example a reactor meltdown or the detonation of a strategic nuke. But a dirty bomb is meant to make the land it affects unusable for generations to come. It makes no sense to assume that Ukraine does that to its own soil, and especially near the Crimea which has some of the most fertile farming grounds in the agricultural world. You do that maybe to the enemy's land (which makes Russia the far more obvious suspect here), but not to your own.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqG7hblB3sA

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqx_-OHE1Hk

[Jimbuna]

Georgian Legion destroys 16 mercenaries from PMC "Wagner". VIDEO

The troops of the Georgian Legion fired at the position of the Wagnerites and destroyed 16 Russian mercenaries.

The relevant video clip was published on the legion's Twitter account, Censor.NET reports.

The troops of the Georgian Legion fired at the position of the Wagnerites and destroyed 16 Russian mercenaries.

The relevant video clip was published on the legion's Twitter account, Censor.NET reports.
Read more: During night, Defense Forces carried out about 130 firing missions against enemy positions in South, - OC "South"

"The legion is advancing and we are hungry! 16 Wagnerian quilters have been destroyed. We will take revenge with thunder! better run while you can," the message reads.

The Georgian National Legion is a military unit that was founded in 2014 by Georgian volunteers to participate in the Anti-Terrorist Operation in the east of Ukraine, reminds Espreso. This is the first time when foreigners were officially accepted into the Armed Forces. Source: https://censor.net/en/v3375703

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siUOFy0bC-8

[Dargo]

An airstrike near Damascus on Friday completely destroyed an assembly line of Iranian drones.

As reported by Censor.NET with reference to SPRAVDI (https://t.me/spravdi/19647), this is stated in the report (https://www.syriahr.com/en/272927/) of the Syrian Monitoring Center for Human Rights (SOHR).

It is noted that the strike was carried out on a facility where important parts and logistical equipment for the manufacture of drones, which were sent to Syria from Iran, were stored. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375714

[Jimbuna]

Hungary will ratify applications of Sweden and Finland to join NATO by end of year, - Minister Gulyash

Hungary and Turkey are the only NATO countries that have not yet ratified the accession of Sweden and Finland to the alliance.

As Censor.NET reminds about this with a link to Politico.

The Government of Hungary supports the membership of Sweden and Finland in NATO and has submitted the ratification documents to the National Assembly, Minister, Chief of Staff of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán Gergely Gulyash told journalists.

According to him, Hungary will ratify the accession to NATO of the two Scandinavian countries no later than mid-December.

When asked by a journalist whether NATO will become stronger after the accession of Finland and Sweden, Gulyash replied that he hopes so. He added that it was open to debate whether the expansion was in Hungary's national security interests, but said it was irrelevant now.

Recall that Finland and Sweden applied to join NATO after the start of a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, but met resistance from Turkey, which accused them of supporting groups it considers terrorist. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375723

[Jimbuna]

Russia should not use "dirty bomb" hoax as pretext for further escalation of war in Ukraine, - Wallace

Russian Defense Minister Serhii Shoigu, during a conversation with his British colleague Ben Wallace on October 23, claimed that Ukraine is planning actions with the help of Western countries, including Great Britain, to escalate the war.

This is stated in the message of the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain, Censor.NET informs.

"The Minister of Defense (Wallace. - Ed.) denied these statements and warned that such accusations should not be used as a pretext for further escalation. The Minister of Defense also confirmed the support of Great Britain and the wider international community for Ukraine and the desire to de-escalate this conflict", - it is said in publications

It is emphasized that Ukraine and Russia should seek a solution, and Great Britain is ready to help them.

We will remind, on October 23, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Serhii Shoigu held a series of negotiations with colleagues from other countries. In particular, he told his British colleague Ben Wallace about a possible provocation with a "dirty bomb" allegedly being prepared by Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375733

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rYuwqGnyrM

[Jimbuna]

Russian mobilized soldiers have problems with provision. Soldiers do not have military footwear in Kherson direction - General Staff

General Staff of AFU released information on situation with Russian mobilizers.

As informs Censor.NЕТ, it was reported in AFU General Staff official Facebook.

The report states: "Russian military command has problems with material support of mobilized citizens. Thus, in the Kherson direction, the mobilized Russian servicemen are poorly equipped, most of them do not have military shoes and other elements of uniform and equipment.

It is known that the mobilized personnel of the Russian occupation troops are sent to the war based on the operational situation. The command does not pay attention to their level of preparation. Thus, the Russian military leadership is trying to hold the front line. Due to the poor organization of interaction, there are numerous cases of so-called "friendly fire" between enemy units." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375736

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osGedMx53Yc

[Dargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rYuwqGnyrM
Get more the idea we are watching the Russian black adder series who could imagine this LOL

[Jimbuna]

Strangely enough they were my initial thoughts as well.

[Jimbuna]

Russian Defense Minister arranges a telephone carousel and calls foreign ministers with stories about the so-called dirty nuclear bomb, - Zelenskyi. VIDEO

On October 23, 2022, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi made a traditional address to Ukrainians.

As informs Censor.NЕТ, it was reported in Volodymyr Zelenskyi official Facebook.

The statement reads: "When today the Russian Defense Minister arranges a telephone carousel and calls foreign ministers with stories about the so-called dirty nuclear bomb, everyone understands it perfectly well. They understand who is the source of everything dirty that can be imagined in this war.

Everywhere where Russia brought death and degradation, we are returning normal life. This is exactly about Ukrainians. Wherever Ukraine is, life is never destroyed.

But wherever Russia comes, it leaves mass graves, torture chambers, destroyed cities and villages, mined land, destroyed infrastructure and natural disasters. And if someone can use nuclear weapons in our part of Europe, it is only one entity - and this entity just ordered Comrade Shoygu to make a phone call somewhere.

I believe that now the world should react as tough as possible. If Russia has prepared another raising of the stakes and another escalation step - it must see now, preventively and before any new "dirt" of its own, that the world will not swallow it". Source: https://censor.net/en/v3375739

[Dargo]

French President Macron reiterated that Ukraine has the right to decide for itself when it is time to make peace and under what conditions. The end of the war cannot be determined by the right of the strongest, Macron spoke at a peace rally in Rome. "To start talking about peace now, or calling for peace, must be unbearable for those who are fighting for freedom. It would look like treason." Macron added that the international community will be on Ukraine's side if it considers the time ripe for peace talks. "Remaining neutral would mean an acceptance of the principle of the right of the strongest, and I do not agree with that." Russia cannot impose a peace militarily, Macron said.

[mapuc]

Are the ruskies beginning to use fighter jet as bombs against their own population now ?

Governor: Fighter jet falls on 2-story building in Irkutsk, Russia.

Irkutsk Oblast Governor Igor Kobzev said that currently he has no information on casualties.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584139859689553922

This is the second bombing campaign this week-Last was 17 of October.

Markus

[mapuc]

Regarding the video in this link

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2834180&postcount=7678

I would think many times if I was Putin and have decided to attack Sweden. If they hadn't problems in Ukraine then they surely would get it here.

They would meet a Navy technology better and better trained. Swedish Subs the best in the world with top trained officers.
The Swedish Air force-JAS39 Gripen beats The Russian SU57(which they only have a few of at the moment more have been ordered)

Finland-I know their infantry should be some of the best in the world.
And not to forget their air force Russia would face F/A-18 and F35.

Markus

[Dargo]

Are the ruskies beginning to use fighter jet as bombs against their own population now ?



https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1584139859689553922

This is the second bombing campaign this week-Last was 17 of October.

MarkusThis is part of the black adder script go FUBAR :D

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liSamZX1MKA

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulybAw4OxLM

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8onBzu2z5bE

[Jimbuna]

86% of Ukrainians are sure of need to continue armed struggle, even if shelling of civilian infrastructure continues, - KIIS

Most of the interviewed Ukrainians believe that it is necessary to continue the armed struggle anyway, even if the shelling continues.

This is evidenced by the results of a sociological survey conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) on October 21-23, 2022, Censor.NET informs.

"Despite the Russian shelling, which destroys infrastructure and takes people's lives, 86% of respondents answered that it is necessary to continue the armed struggle, even if the shelling continues. In particular, among them, 71% completely agree with this opinion (another 16% rather agree) ", according to the press release of KIIS based on the results of the survey.

Only 10% of respondents answered that it is necessary to proceed to negotiations to stop the shelling as soon as possible, even if it means making concessions to Russia.

According to sociologists, although from the west (88% of respondents were in favor of continuing the struggle and 8% in favor of making concessions for the sake of ending the war as soon as possible) to the east (69% and 29%, respectively), the share of those ready to make concessions increases, but in all regions, the majority thinks that it is necessary to continue the armed resistance.

"Even in the east, 69% hold this opinion (this is the answer to people who live in the Kharkiv and Donetsk regions, which are subject to constant rocket and artillery fire)," the KIIS explains. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375830

[Jimbuna]

Russia has enough resources for long war, West should not relax, - head of Foreign Ministry of Latvia Rinkevics

Russia has enough resources to wage a protracted war against Ukraine, so the West mustn’t relax in providing aid to our country.

This was stated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Latvia, Edgar Rinkevics, Censor.NET informs with reference to Delfi.

According to him, at present, not only military but also financial aid should be provided to help Ukraine "winter over" and restore the civil infrastructure largely destroyed as a result of Russian attacks.

At the same time, according to him, the Russian Federation hopes for the "fatigue" of the West, trying to negatively influence public opinion. Rinkevics believes that the unity of the West in helping Ukraine is quite strong, and problems are usually related to the speed of implementation of decisions. Yes, the supply of weapons is often slower than changes at the front.

In addition, the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Latvia believes that the calls of the Minister of Defense of Russia Sergei Shoygu to the ministers of defense of several countries to accuse Ukraine of allegedly intending to use a "dirty bomb" may indicate a possible preparation of the Russian Federation for provocations or an attempt to divert attention from attacks on the civilian infrastructure of Ukraine.

He also believes that Russia can expect any scenario of the development of events, knowing that the situation around Kherson is unfavorable for the aggressor country.

In addition, Rinkevics said that China is simply watching what is happening and is acting discreetly, taking its time to support the Russian Federation in every possible way. In his opinion, the outcome of the war in general will be of great importance for international politics and how countries with geopolitical ambitions can act. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375841

[Jimbuna]

Reznikov about Kremlin’s "dirty bomb" hoax: Thief’s hat is burning

Lies about a "dirty bomb" that Ukraine is allegedly going to use is a manifestation of Kremlin’s habit of accusing its victims of aggression of their own crime in advance.

It was reported in Facebook by Minister of Defense Oleksiy Reznikov, informs Censor.NЕТ.

"Dirty" nuclear blackmail is a reason for tough preventive steps.

"Thief's hat is burning". Today the Russian Federation at the high international level provided an official illustration for this proverb.

The lie about the "dirty bomb" that Ukraine is allegedly preparing to use is an element of the usual Kremlin tactics. When Russian criminals try to preventively accuse the victim of aggression of their crime.

Watch more: Russian Defense Minister arranges a telephone carousel and calls foreign ministers with stories about the so-called dirty nuclear bomb, - Zelenskyi. VIDEO

This has happened repeatedly since 2014. After February 24, Russia openly threatens to use nuclear weapons. In spring, it deliberately provoked a disaster at the Chornobyl NPP, and now it is blackmailing the world with a disaster at Zaporizhzhia NPP. Its missiles pose a danger to other nuclear facilities in Ukraine.

Unlike Moscow, Ukraine has always been extremely responsible in nuclear safety issues. Our nuclear facilities are still open for the IAEA. It is elementary to make sure that Russian statements are nonsense.

The best response to the Russian accusations should be decisive steps to increase pressure on the criminal terrorist regime in Moscow, as well as active assistance to Ukraine with the means that will allow us to quickly clean our land from the plague. So that no one would even think of committing a nuclear crime in Europe.

Not as a minister, but as a citizen I will note the following. The attitude to the land in Ukraine has always been special. Today, judging by the reaction of our soldiers and all our people, I see how sincerely they strive to liberate the Ukrainian land from Russian dirt. From shells, remnants of equipment, garbage left by Russian troops. It is not even a military need - it is a mental need.

Therefore, even theoretically, it is not even possible to imagine that Ukraine is able to implement something that can cause long-term contamination of our land. This is nonsense.

I am grateful to our partners who adequately perceive this dangerous Russian chatter", Reznikov said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375757

[Jimbuna]

We invite UN and IAEA to visit Ukraine in response to Russia’s nuclear blackmail, - Reznikov

Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov invited UN and OSCE monitoring missions to Ukraine in response to Russia’s nuclear blackmail.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Reznikov's Twitter.

"Every day, the Ukrainian army frees our land from Russian filth. The thought of a "dirty bomb" is disgusting to us. We invite the monitoring missions of the UN and the IAEA to visit Ukraine. The world must respond to Russia's nuclear blackmail. We demand compliance with Clause 4 of the Budapest Memorandum," the Minister of Defense said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375780

[Jimbuna]

Russia’s accusations against Ukraine regarding "dirty bomb" are not groundless, - Lavrov

Moscow believes that the accusations against Ukraine regarding the "dirty bomb" made public by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu have grounds.

As reported by Censor.NET with reference to Radio Svoboda, this was stated by the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Serhiy Lavrov.

"We have specific information about those institutions in Ukraine, those scientific institutes that have the technology to create this dirty bomb. We have information that we checked through the appropriate channels that this is not an empty suspicion that here there are serious reasons to believe that such things can be planned," said the minister of the occupying country.

We will remind you, on October 23, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Serhii Shoigu held a series of negotiations with colleagues from other countries. In particular, he told his British colleague Ben Wallace about a possible provocation with a "dirty bomb" allegedly being prepared by Ukraine.

Wallace said that Russia should not use the "dirty bomb" hoax as an excuse to further escalate the war in Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375880

[Jimbuna]

Three more IRIS-T complexes will be delivered to Ukraine as soon as possible, - Sholtz

Germany will deliver three more IRIS-T air defense systems to Ukraine as soon as possible, each of which can protect a large city.

This was announced by Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz, reports Censor.NET with reference to Ukrinform.

He noted that the Russian invasion on February 24 was a terrible point in history in general.

"We support your country politically, financially, economically, humanitarianly, as well as with weapons. Yes, we also talk about this at the economic conference... Russia's attacks on civilian infrastructure show that everything must be done to rebuild and protect Ukrainian cities and villages, bridges, streets, and railways. That is why I am very happy that our anti-aircraft missile systems and anti-aircraft self-propelled guns, and now IRIS-T in Ukraine... This system can protect a big city. We will put three more such guns in Ukraine as soon as possible," said the Chancellor of Germany.

He assured that Germany, together with its partners, will support Ukraine as much as necessary.

"This applies to wartime as well as reconstruction. You can rely on Germany, the EU, and other friends in the world," emphasized the Chancellor of Germany. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375875

[Skybird]

Russia has enough resources for long war, West should not relax, - head of Foreign Ministry of Latvia Rinkevics

Russia has enough resources to wage a protracted war against Ukraine, so the West mustn’t relax in providing aid to our country.

(...)
I see a big risk in case of the Republicans scoring big at the midterm elections. They could seripously delay, limit, hamper US wepain supplies to Ukraine, and already annoucned they want to do so.



Lets face it, even a completely willing Europe would nto be capable to replace and compensate for a loss of US weapon deliveries to the Ukraine. So what is being talked about amongst Republicans is to drive dagger into the Ukraine's back and help Putin to win the war. Thats the effect of what the Republicans want.

Considering Trump's often shown admiration for the Russian gangster leader Putin, and many Trumpian Reps' love for Putinism and Putinist politics, this is no surprise. Europe may have been able to counter this a bitt if it would have contributed a more equal share to the Ukrainian effort that matches closer that of the US. But as things stand, it does significantly less and thus almost triggers complaints that Americna spending on the Ukraine goes at the cost of Americans at home. Which is drivel anyway, since America like most industrialsed and developing nations now, lives on tic, new debts, and ever newly printed currency units anyway.

The Ukraine has no reason to feel safe and easy about American support. What Biden says he wants to do, is one thing. What soon he is left with being able to do, might be a very different one.

And the ukriane is in a process tp phas eout Sowjet era wepaons, sinc eit ha sno mor eammo for these, and changing to Western equipment. If this supply doe snto flow, the problem quickly turns into an existential threat.

Ironically Putin tgets by tghis process what he wanted to prevent: Ukriane de facto is turning itself into an informal NATO member that not only has demonstrated its capability to adapt to NATO standards and NATO doctrine, but now more and more operates NATO equipment as well.

Russia has a long breath in this war, I still see that it can outlast Western efforts to supply Ukraine. And sanctions will nto rpevent this. The Wets must stop bpwing to its illusiopon that the West has any influence on changing inner politics in Russia, or changing the inner circle of leadership politics. The West has no influence at all on this, period. It just wants to live by the illusion that it has - to make itself feel relevant.


And what has come of the x-th iteration of stories about Putin being terminally ill, will not live on, and a revolt forming amongst oligarchs or his inner circle? Nothing. Nothing, again for the x-th time. :D

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine will become member of EU, reconstruction must take this perspective into account, - Scholz

Germany supports Ukraine’s full membership in the EU in the future, therefore the reconstruction of the country should take place taking this perspective into account.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said this in a speech at the opening of the 5th German-Ukrainian business forum on the reconstruction of Ukraine in Berlin, Censor.NET informs with reference to Ukrinform.

The Chancellor of Germany reminded that on June 23, the heads of states and governments of the European Union granted Ukraine the status of a candidate for EU membership.

"In this way, we are also responsible for what everyone understood long ago after the Maidan: Ukraine is part of the European family. I speak very seriously and understand all the consequences of this - we want Ukraine to become part of the European Union," said Scholz.

He added that this decision is a signal to private investors: whoever invests in the reconstruction of Ukraine today will invest in a country that will be part of the EU and part of the common European market.

According to the Chancellor of Germany, this also affects the very process of rebuilding Ukraine, which must be carried out keeping in mind that Ukraine will one day become a full member of the EU.

"This means that both in logistics and in transport, we must act in such a way as to "tie" Ukraine immediately to the internal European market. This means that export routes must be opened for Ukrainian products, for Ukrainian companies. And at the same time, we must remember "remember about the environment and ecological agriculture," Sholtz noted.

He also emphasized that it is necessary not only to rebuild the destroyed energy sector of Ukraine, although it is now a priority, but also to increase efficiency and develop the export of electricity from Ukraine to the EU, to strengthen the Ukrainian energy system.

"Ukraine has the sun and wind - these are very good prerequisites for it to be not just a transit country, but an exporter of renewable energy. There is already the first agreement between Ukrainian and German enterprises, and we know that there is great potential here," - the chancellor of Germany believes. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375886

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine war: Russian spy chief blames West for nuclear tension

By Steve Rosenberg
Russia Editor

Western leaders have expressed concern about the scale of nuclear sabre-rattling over Ukraine by senior Russian officials, including President Putin, especially after February's invasion.

How does Moscow react to charges it is engaging in such rhetoric and threats?

I asked one of Russia's most powerful officials, Sergei Naryshkin, head of the SVR Foreign Intelligence Service, to respond to international criticism.

He denied any Russian nuclear rhetoric, even though there's been plenty.

Mr Naryshkin pointed the finger back at the West.

"Will you state categorically that Russia will not use nuclear weapons in Ukraine or engage in other provocative actions, such as exploding a dirty bomb, or blowing up a dam?" I asked Mr Naryshkin.

Russia's spy chief didn't answer the question directly. "We are, of course, very concerned about Western rhetoric about the possibility of using nuclear weapons," Sergei Naryshkin responded.

"Yesterday Russia's defence minister talked by phone with his colleagues from Turkey, the US and France. He told them about the possible plans of the Ukrainian leadership to use a so-called 'dirty nuclear bomb'," Mr Naryshkin continued.

"But there is no evidence to back up that claim," I pointed out.

On Sunday the UK, US and French governments issued a joint statement on the Russian government's claims. They rejected what they called "Russia's transparently false allegations" against Kyiv, adding: "The world would see through any attempt to use this allegation as a pretext for escalation. We further reject any pretext for escalation by Russia."

I was speaking to Sergei Naryshkin at the opening of an exhibition at the Russian Army Museum.

It is a sobering experience - an exhibition that transports you back to a time when the world was on the edge of nuclear Armageddon.

It marks the 60th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis. On the wall there is a giant photograph of Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev and US President John F Kennedy. There are images of the Soviet missiles Moscow sent to Cuba, and which the Kennedy White House demanded the Kremlin remove.

In the eyes of Vladimir Putin's Russia, what are the lessons of the Cuban Missile Crisis?

"The lesson of the Cuban Missile crisis is that political leaders must find the inner strength to reach compromises to resolve global problems," Sergei Naryshkin told me.

It's true that Kennedy and Khrushchev compromised to end a potentially devastating crisis. Khrushchev removed nuclear missiles from Cuba; Kennedy promised to remove American missiles from Turkey.

But six decades on, there is no sign that Russia's current leader, Vladimir Putin, is prepared to compromise. Once more there is concern about a possible nuclear conflict.

And yet the war in Ukraine is very different from the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Back in February the Kremlin leader invaded a neighbouring country, a sovereign state; the war has been raging for eight months. Despite major setbacks on the battlefield, President Putin still seems determined to secure some kind of victory, both over Ukraine and against the West.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63373728

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDBo7Qp1eyY

[MaDef]

I see a big risk in case of the Republicans scoring big at the midterm elections. They could seripously delay, limit, hamper US wepain supplies to Ukraine, and already annoucned they want to do so.



Lets face it, even a completely willing Europe would nto be capable to replace and compensate for a loss of US weapon deliveries to the Ukraine. So what is being talked about amongst Republicans is to drive dagger into the Ukraine's back and help Putin to win the war. Thats the effect of what the Republicans want.


The Ukraine has no reason to feel safe and easy about American support. What Biden says he wants to do, is one thing. What soon he is left with being able to do, might be a very different one.

You are correct to a point, a lot of us (citizens) here in the U.S. feel that this war is more of a EU problem rather than a United States one. Frankly, we have bigger domestic problems, spending money (we don't have), and too intervene in a European problem is just not very smart. There is no upside (political or economic). What exactly the U.S is getting in return for the 15 Billion in aid we have provided since 2020 has yet to be established.

In other words the U.S support (or lack of) Ukraine has nothing to do with supporting Putin (he is not very popular here), and is more driven by economics then anything else. (plus we are coming off of a 20 year war in the Mid-East and aren't all that eager to jump into another fight (that really isn't ours).

since Europe is calling for complete withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine (or the removal of Putin), I suggest you (Europe) step up militarily to oust him from Ukraine or start looking for a diplomatic solution to end the conflict, because we here in the U.S see our domestic problems as more pressing issues that need our attention.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU6CLYXtOXY

[Commander Wallace]

You are correct to a point, a lot of us (citizens) here in the U.S. feel that this war is more of a EU problem rather than a United States one. Frankly, we have bigger domestic problems, spending money (we don't have), and too intervene in a European problem is just not very smart. There is no upside (political or economic). What exactly the U.S is getting in return for the 15 Billion in aid we have provided since 2020 has yet to be established.

In other words the U.S support (or lack of) Ukraine has nothing to do with supporting Putin (he is not very popular here), and is more driven by economics then anything else. (plus we are coming off of a 20 year war in the Mid-East and aren't all that eager to jump into another fight (that really isn't ours).

since Europe is calling for complete withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine (or the removal of Putin), I suggest you (Europe) step up militarily to oust him from Ukraine or start looking for a diplomatic solution to end the conflict, because we here in the U.S see our domestic problems as more pressing issues that need our attention.


There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. However, there is a counterpoint to be made as well. Letting Putrid go at this point will almost certainly guarantee that Putrid will be on the move against other European countries in short order and probably other NATO countries as well.

The U.S didn't intervene in other European countries affairs when Hitler was rampaging across Europe in the late 30's and early 40's. All this did was delay the entry of the U.S into WW2. We ( the U.S ) still ended up fighting in a European conflict and war. The U.S felt then as they do now with regards to European issues. Putrid has to be stopped and if this means war, so be it.

I have complete confidence in the U.S forces where everyone is of the same mind and completely behind the objectives. Subsim member August had stated a few weeks ago that the political will wasn't there in these other conflicts and August was correct, in my opinion. This wasn't the case in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. Perhaps even more important is that the political will in Europe to confront Russia and Putin is there as well. The U.S is feeling the pain right now but letting Putin go on won't change that.

Although the Ukraine isn't a member of NATO, The U.S signed on to come to other European countries aid in the event of hostilities with Russia. The U.S has to decide if they want to deal with a tyrant right now or wait until he is emboldened like Hitler was in WW2. Putrid has transformed Russia into a terrorist state and country. Any way you look at it, Putrid like Hitler before him, is a threat to world peace and we will have to deal with it sooner or later.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfMg_Xc4ni8

[Jimbuna]

Russia’s claims about Ukrainian "dirty bomb" are absurd, - Stoltenberg

The Secretary General of the North Atlantic Alliance Jens Stoltenberg, commenting on Russia’s accusations against Ukraine of creating a "dirty bomb", warned Moscow against using false statements as a pretext for escalating the war.

Stoltenberg said this in an interview with Politico on Monday, Censor.NET reports with reference to "European Truth".

"The statement that Ukraine is preparing to use "dirty bombs" in Ukraine is absurd," said the Secretary General of the Alliance.

He noted that it is absurd to talk about Ukraine's use of a "dirty bomb" on its own territory, the liberation of which it is fighting so hard.

"What worries us is that this is part of a pattern of behavior that we've seen from Russia before - in Syria, but also at the beginning of the war, or right before the war started in February. It's about Russia accusing others of being do what they intend to do themselves," Stoltenberg said.

He warned Russia against using false accusations "as any pretext for further escalation of the war in Ukraine."

It will be recalled that during Sunday, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu, called at least three defense ministers of NATO countries - France, Turkey and Britain) talking about the Ukrainian "dirty bomb".

The Russian Federation claims that Ukraine is preparing a "dirty bomb" attack on its territory in order to blame it on Russia. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3375957

[Jimbuna]

Russia is sending more troops into the key southern city of Kherson and may be preparing to defend it, Ukraine's spy chief has said.

Ukraine had previously suggested some Russian units might be leaving.

Russia took Kherson in the early days of the war, but has recently come under pressure as Ukrainian troops advance along the Dnipro River.

Russian authorities in the city have ordered thousands of civilians to evacuate.

Kyrylo Budanov, the Ukrainian intelligence chief, dismissed this as an "information operation", telling the Ukrayinska Pravda website Moscow was "trying to create the illusion that everything is lost".

The Russian military is sending in more troops and preparing the streets for defence, he said, adding that the removal of citizens is a pretence to save face in case the city falls to Ukraine.

This is a departure from Kyiv's earlier comments that the invading forces were leaving the city. "They are not preparing to exit now," he said.

The BBC has not verified the precise movements of either sides' troops on the ground. The suggestion that Russian troops are digging in raises the possibility of a fierce fight in the coming weeks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63377946

[Dargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgRtumeE2bg

[Dargo]

Belarus withdrew most of the military equipment from the border areas and returned it to the places of permanent deployment, - data from the "Belarusian Gayun" monitoring group. https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1584640515185573888

https://i.postimg.cc/90scj1Cj/Ff3-Aae8-X0-AEFCC2.jpg

[mapuc]

They must be very desperate these Russians.

In a video clip on twitter you could see in front of a dash cam a truck hauling a small haubits the wheels on this haubits, who was according to the text above the video from 1943, was very wobbly.

Is it a fake video-Made by the Russians to fool the Ukrainians believing they haven't better weapon than those from WWII.
Or
Are Russia in such a dilemma that their modern weapons are being destroyed faster than it being produced

Markus

[MaDef]

There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. However, there is a counterpoint to be made as well. Letting Putrid go at this point will almost certainly guarantee that Putrid will be on the move against other European countries in short order and probably other NATO countries as well.I didn't say let Putin off the hook, I said the U.S. should take a step back, and reassess our "role" in this mess, and let the Europeans (who have the most to gain/lose) take point.

[Commander Wallace]

I didn't say let Putin off the hook, I said the U.S. should take a step back, and reassess our "role" in this mess, and let the Europeans (who have the most to gain/lose) take point.

I understand and agree with what you said. There really are no easy answers. My point was it may be more costly in the end to sit on our hands and do nothing where Putrid and Russia is concerned. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. I think that those who are assisting the Ukraine, the U.S included haven't forgotten history either and fully understand the ramifications of appeasement where a despot is concerned. As you pointed out, there should be a happy medium.

[Rockstar]

I didn't say let Putin off the hook, I said the U.S. should take a step back, and reassess our "role" in this mess, and let the Europeans (who have the most to gain/lose) take point.

My take on this is Europe was quite content to keep building relations with Putin and reliance on Russian gas particularly Germany’s desire to be the main hub for Russian gas. That placed most of Eastern Europe where Russian pipelines ran, in financial and political jeopardy particularly Ukraine. IMO we have no choice but to remain deeply involved and drop the hammer on Russian/German ties.

Having seen Ukraine’s response and determination. My only regret so far is we haven’t done more to crush Russian military aggression in Ukraine.

[Commander Wallace]

My take on this is Europe was quite content to keep building relations with Putin and reliance on Russian gas particularly Germany’s desire to be the main hub for Russian gas. That placed most of Eastern Europe where Russian pipelines ran, in financial and political jeopardy particularly Ukraine. IMO we have no choice but to remain deeply involved and drop the hammer on Russian/German ties.

Having seen Ukraine’s response and determination. My only regret so far is we haven’t done more to crush Russian military aggression in Ukraine.


Simply put, Putrid is another Hitler. Europe won't know peace until Russia is beaten and Putrid is gone. The Ukraine has shown remarkable resilience, skill and determination in fighting Russian forces. In my humble opinion, the Ukraine is more than deserving of U.S and world wide support.

I have noticed the only countries supporting Russia are ones with dictators controlling their countries. China, North Korea, Iran and Venezuela come to mind.

Like most, I won't be happy until the Ukraine wins and Russis is soundly beaten and paying reparations and answering for crimes against humanity. Oh, I would like to see Putrid and his cronies hanging at the end of a rope. I doubt Russia will answer for it's crimes but is that asking too much ? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

The UN's nuclear watchdog IAEA says its inspectors have regularly visited two sites in Ukraine at the centre of Russian claims that Kyiv is preparing a so-called dirty bomb.

Inspectors would return in the coming days following a Ukrainian request, director general Rafael Grossi said.

Russia has not offered any evidence for its allegations, which Nato dismisses.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky warned it meant Russia itself could be preparing an attack of this kind.

So-called dirty bombs contain radioactive material, such as uranium, which is scattered through the air when its conventional explosive detonates. They don't need to contain highly refined radioactive material, as is used in a nuclear bomb, which makes them cheaper and easier to manoeuvre.

The IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency] said it had received an invitation from the Ukrainian government to carry out "verification activities" at two unspecified locations, adding that the agency's inspectors have visited both sites regularly.

Mr Grossi said the IAEA "inspected one of these locations one month ago and all our findings were consistent with Ukraine's safeguards declarations."

"No undeclared nuclear activities or material were found there," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63382277

[Jimbuna]

Biden urged to pursue direct negotiations with Russia by Democratic lawmakers

President Joe Biden is being urged by liberals to rethink his strategy on the war in Ukraine and negotiate directly with the Kremlin to help bring about an end to the crisis.

The group of 30 Democrats, led by representative Pramila Jayapal, sent a letter to the White House calling on Mr Biden to pursue a "proactive diplomatic push, redoubling efforts to seek a realistic framework for a ceasefire", The Washington Post reports.

In their letter the lawmakers, who are concerned that the US is not regularly communicating with Russia, pointed out that the US leader had previously said there would eventually have to be a negotiated settlement.

They also said that the consequences of the war were being felt across the world.

After a fierce backlash from Democrats this week, Ms Jayapal released a statement clarifying the reason for the letter.

"Let me be clear: we are united as Democrats in our unequivocal commitment to supporting Ukraine in their fight for their democracy and freedom in the face of the illegal and outrageous Russian invasion," she said.

"Diplomacy is an important tool that can save lives — but it is just one tool."

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 68,420 people, 248 helicopters, 271 planes, 2,611 tanks, 1,674 artillery systems, 5,321 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 25, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 68,420.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02 to 25.10 are approximately:

personnel - about 68,420 (+480) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2611 (+21) units,
armored combat vehicles - 5321 (+26) units,
artillery systems - 1674 (+1) units,
MLRS - 377 (+2) units,
air defense equipment - 190 (+1) units,
aircraft - 271 (+1) units,
helicopters - 248 (+3) units,
UAVs of operational-tactical level - 1372 (+2),
cruise missiles - 350 (+0),
ships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4054 (+10) units,
special equipment - 149 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376032

[Jimbuna]

In 2023, European Union will allocate about 18 billion euros to Ukraine and monthly support of 1.5 billion euros, - von der Leyen

The President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, is working with the member states of the European Union to provide Ukraine with EUR 18 billion in 2023 and EUR 1.5 billion every month until the end of the war.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Interfax-Ukraine.

"Ukraine needs urgent aid and rehabilitation, restoration, support for daily functioning and survival - salaries, pensions, and other payments. According to international financial experts, we need from 3 to 5 billion euros per month to cover these current needs.
We need the support of the international community. The EU must bear its part - I am working closely with the representatives of the EU countries so that we can support Ukraine every month for EUR 1.5 billion until the end of the war and approximately EUR 18 billion in 2023," she explained.

The President of the European Commission stated that Russia is purposefully destroying the civilian infrastructure of Ukraine.

"This is terrorism. Russia is trying to destroy and paralyze Ukraine, but we will not allow it," she said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376060

[Jimbuna]

Putin’s Russia is currently in despair. We will support Ukraine as long as necessary, - Sholtz

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that Germany will support Ukraine politically, financially, humanitarianly, and with weapons for as long as it is needed.

Scholz said this while opening the international expert conference on the recovery, reconstruction, and modernization of Ukraine on Tuesday in Berlin, Censor.NET informs with reference to "Interfax-Ukraine".

"As we speak, this brutal war continues. These latest attacks and destruction of infrastructure, as well as the use of kamikaze drones, is a new scary moment in this war that is trying to erase Ukraine from the world map. This disgusting war demonstrates one thing above all - that Putin's Russia is currently in despair," Scholz said.

"Ukrainians are a proud nation, they will win this war, but for this, we must together support Ukraine politically, financially, and humanitarianly, as well as with the help of weapons. We will supply all this as long as it will be necessary," added the Chancellor of Germany.

He emphasized that Germany will also continue to support Ukraine with the air defense systems it needs.

"Today, unfortunately, we cannot yet say when this war will end, but it will end, and when it does, we will continue to stand side by side with Ukraine, support it on the path of democracy, freedom, and security," - assured Scholz.

The Chancellor of Germany emphasized that now is the time to gather the best specialists, the smartest experts so that they provide all their expertise and knowledge for the restoration of Ukraine.

"Now is the moment to gather the collective knowledge of the whole world for the future of Ukraine. Now is the moment when we have to create institutional boundaries to guide Ukraine's recovery. And now is just the moment to discuss what the future of Ukraine will look like, how it will be financed," Sholtz is confident.

He noted that it is about creating a new Marshall Plan of the 21st century.

"This is a generational task, but the task begins now: restoration of Ukraine's economic strength and modernization. This will be a challenge for future generations, and this challenge will require the efforts of the entire world community. But it is also a chance for future generations if we manage to do it," - said the chancellor.

"Let's think not only about restoring what was before the war, but we should also think about what will happen, that we can create a new resilient Ukraine based on a sustainable economy, which will supply green energy, export high-quality products, industrial and agricultural products, which will be a hub of IT expertise, IT technologies, a member of the EU with appropriate legal frameworks and legal structures," he added.

At the same time, Scholz emphasized the importance of Ukraine also actively participating and taking on great responsibility in the transformation process. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376068

[Jimbuna]

Steinmeier sent message to Ukrainians: "You can count on Germany! We will continue to support Ukraine"

German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who arrived in Ukraine on Tuesday, October 25, addressed a message to Ukrainians.

This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to the Twitter account of the presidential press secretary, Kerstin Hammelin.

"My message to the people of Ukraine: you can count on Germany! We will continue to support Ukraine: in the military, political, financial, and humanitarian terms," he said.

And at the same time, Steinmeier appealed to all Germans.

"Let's never forget what this war means for people here (in Ukraine, - ed.)!
Despite all the burdens that the war brings to us in Germany too - let's take a moment to look through the eyes of Ukrainians, then we know that they need our full solidarity and support - as long as it is necessary," he added.

"This is also a question of the fastest possible restoration of the destroyed infrastructure, repair of power networks, water pipes, heating systems, elimination of bottlenecks in the supply of electricity." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376079

[Jimbuna]

Russia will face consequences regardless of whether it uses "dirty" or nuclear bomb, - US State Department

US State Department spokesman Ned Price warned that Russia would face consequences whether it used a so-called "dirty bomb" or any other nuclear weapon.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Ukrinform.

"Certainly, it would be another example of President Putin's brutality if he used the so-called 'dirty bomb'. Russia will face the consequences whether it uses a 'dirty' bomb or a nuclear bomb. We have made that very clear," Price said.

He added that it is important that Moscow knows the "profound nature of these consequences" it will face if it starts using nuclear weapons.

At the same time, Price did not specify what these consequences might be for Russia, and did not say whether they would differ depending on the type of weapon.

He said the United States currently sees no signs that Russia is preparing to use nuclear weapons, but is concerned about the possible use of a "dirty bomb."

It will be recalled that on Sunday, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu, called at least three defense ministers of NATO countries - France, Turkey, and Britain) talking about the Ukrainian "dirty bomb".

The Russian Federation claims that Ukraine is preparing a "dirty bomb" attack on its territory to blame it on Russia. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376090

[mapuc]

^In a Danish article an expert said that the false flag operation here could be Russia bomb one of the own cities near Ukraine with a dirty bomb and use this as an excuse to use nukes against Ukraine.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ6nBc6pmYc

[Jimbuna]

30 Democrats in US House of Representatives call on Biden for direct negotiations with Russia

A group of 30 congressmen of the left wing of the US Democratic Party on Monday sent a letter to President Joe Biden, calling for a radical review of the strategy for the war in Ukraine and to enter into direct negotiations with Russia.

Як інформує Цензор.НЕТ із посиланням на ЄП, про це пише The Washignton Post.

In the letter, the Democrats call on Biden to combine the unprecedented economic and military support the United States is providing to Ukraine with a "diplomatic push to preemptively redouble efforts to find realistic terms for a ceasefire."

Biden's allies expressed concern that Washington does not conduct regular dialogue with Moscow to end the protracted war and remind of its global consequences - up to rising prices in the United States and the danger of a nuclear strike by the Russian Federation.

"We have no illusions about the difficulty of engaging Russia, given its flagrant and illegal invasion of Ukraine. If there is a way to end the war while preserving a free and independent Ukraine, America must use every diplomatic opportunity to support such a decision that will be acceptable to the people of Ukraine," the letter says.

The letter was signed by some of the most prominent Democrats in Congress, including Jamie Raskin, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Cory Bush, and Ilhan Omar. This is the first such call to the Biden administration in eight months of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Until now, the main concern about a possible decrease in support for Ukraine arose in connection with the possible strengthening of the positions of the Republican Party in Congress after the midterm elections on November 8. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376105

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Peskov: Russia is open to all contacts, it is Ukraine that does not want to negotiate

Russia is allegedly ready to talk with the US, other countries, and the Pope in order to find "possible solutions" to the war in Ukraine. The Kremlin sees the main obstacle to this as the reluctance to negotiate with Ukraine itself.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the statement of the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, Dmytro Peskov.

"We are ready to discuss all this with the Americans, with the French, and with the pontiff. I repeat once again, Russia is open to all contacts. But we have to proceed from the fact that Ukraine has codified the non-continuation of negotiations," he said, commenting on the proposal of the French president Emmanuel Macron, who asked the Pope for efforts to establish peace in Ukraine.

In addition, Peskov once again accused Ukraine of unwillingness to negotiate with Russia.

Read more: Pope Francis calls on Putin to stop war, and on Zelensky to be open to serious peace proposals

"But on the other hand, this statement does not say anything about the fact that someone should call the president (of Ukraine, Volodymyr, - ed.) Zelensky and deal with the legal framework, which from now on prohibits any negotiations with the Russian side," he added - If this is all in line with efforts to find possible solutions, then it can be evaluated positively."

As reported, French President Emmanuel Macron appealed to Pope Francis to talk with the leaders of the United States, Joe Biden, and the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, in order to bring peace in Ukraine closer. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376113

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpE7ncUADOw

[mapuc]

Could Norway or some part of Norway be the next Russian target. Seems like the number of Russian who get caught in Norway have gone up dramatically.

Could it be that Russia is planning on destroying the oil rigs and other oil and gas production in Norway and thereby cut the second life line to Europe.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Norway has been a NATO member since 1949....says it all really.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WheT0748zE

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ixnoDKhcaw

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8Bq1sj2yk

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk55lW-VDwY

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_zk7ikjng

[Jimbuna]

For second time in year, Russia will hold Thunder-2022 nuclear drills. First were held five days before full-scale invasion of Ukraine

The Russian Federation plans to conduct the "Thunder" exercises after the conclusion of the Steadfast Noon nuclear deterrence exercises, which started on October 17 and will last until October 30.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Defense Express.

Russia will conduct the second nuclear deterrence exercise "Thunder-2022" this year. The first exercises took place on February 19 and were partly held near Ukraine with the launch of ballistic and cruise missiles.

The new exercises will focus on testing intercontinental ballistic missiles. Probably, the north of the Russian Federation will be the key test area.

In Russia, they traditionally check the readiness of intercontinental ballistic missiles, the service life of which for some systems has long exceeded all established standards. For example, R-36M2 "Voivode" in the amount of up to 46 missiles are responsible for delivering more than 30% of all nuclear charges of ballistic missiles. Their production ended with the collapse of the USSR, and their maximum useful life was estimated to be 2005.

And the verification of their real readiness was carried out by firing the oldest rocket, if it performed its task, the service life continued. If not, another one was started and so on until the task was completed.

The question of readiness also applies to such a ballistic missile as the Topol, which was adopted in the 1980s and was upgraded to the Topol-M in the mid-1990s. 18 Soviet "Topols" are still in service, another 78 Russian "Topol-M" were manufactured until 2011.

If we take the ground component, then 88 missiles of the Russian Federation were produced more than 30 years ago, 78 units about 20 years ago, which is almost 50% of the entire arsenal. A similar situation applies to submarine-launched ballistic missiles. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376177

[Jimbuna]

Return of Crimea will mean revival of real peace, - Zelensky

Real peace, which will end Russia’s war against Ukraine, is possible only after the return of the occupied Crimea.

This was stated by the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky during an online speech at the first parliamentary summit of the Crimean Platform, which is being held in Croatia, informed by Censor.NET.

"It all started with Crimea. Its return will mean the rebirth of true peace. The Russian potential for aggression will be destroyed to the core when the Ukrainian flag is back in its rightful place in the cities and villages of Crimea. Crimea must be freed from Russia's use as a bridgehead. Then the world will feel, that there will be no more losses, and people will feel that the world is becoming safer," the president believes.

Zelensky emphasized that it will not be easy to reintegrate Crimea after years of occupation, "but thanks to our cooperation, we will be able to ensure this." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376179

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Steinmeier spent about two hours in shelter in Chernihiv region due to air raid. PHOTOS

Today, October 25, Federal President of Germany Frank-Walter Steinmeier arrived in Ukraine. In the first half of the day, he went to the Chernihiv region and there he was caught by an air alarm.

This is reported by Censor.NET with a link to LIGA.net.

The President of the Federal Republic of Germany reached Chernihiv by train, and then went by car to the district center of Koriukivka.

It was planned that the President of Germany would discuss aid to Koriukivka during the winter period. When Steinmeier was in Koriukivka, an air alert was announced in the Kyiv region.

The President of Germany was forced to go to the shelter and, as Spiegel writes, "the conversation with the civilian population had to be conducted spontaneously in the bomb shelter."

The alarm lasted about two hours. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3376163

[Skybird]

The NEUE ZÜRCHER ZEITUNG writes on the "Marshal plan" for Ukraine:
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Daily rocket fire, power cuts lasting for hours, targeted bombing of power plants: peace and normality are hard to imagine in Ukraine at the moment. At the international expert conference in Berlin on Tuesday, however, the focus was precisely on this: How can the Ukrainians be helped to rebuild their country in the short and long term once the weapons are silent?

To that end, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen invited top politicians and experts from around the world on Tuesday. The meeting in a former warehouse in western Berlin follows the first Ukraine conference in Lugano in the summer.

In his opening statement, Scholz reiterated the historic significance of the Berlin conference and the immense costs that war entails: "A Marshall Plan for the 21st century is needed. This is a generational task that begins now."

Even at the Berlin conference, however, much remains vague and unclear. The goal here is to coordinate long-term support for Ukraine. A financial Ramstein is needed, says Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Schmihal, who was in attendance. In April, Western defense ministers met at the air base in Ramstein, Germany, to coordinate their arms deliveries to Ukraine. But as with military aid, the first differences in the Ukraine allies' camp are already becoming apparent.

The conferees are aware of the discrepancy between Ukraine's short-term needs and its long-term vision. After all, just to meet current expenses, such as pensioners, repairs and the war, Ukraine needs grants of between 3 and 5 billion euros - per month. Where this money is to come from must first be clarified.

EU Commission President von der Leyen promised in Berlin that the EU would provide one-third of this short-term budgetary support. 1.5 billion euros are to be transferred monthly to Ukraine by the member states. As with the overall EU budget, Germany is likely to shoulder the bulk of these grants. The economic adviser to Ukrainian President Volodimir Selensky, Alexander Rodnianski, expressed the hope to the newspapers of the Funke media group on Tuesday that Germany would transfer about 500 million euros per month to Ukraine.

In the long term, the cost will become much higher: In Lugano, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Schmihal spoke of $750 billion. Then, in September, the World Bank, the Ukrainian government and the EU Commission set the required sum much lower. They estimated that $349 billion would be needed for reconstruction.

But this figure referred to the first three months of the war. In recent days, the Russian army has intensified its targeted attacks on Ukraine's critical infrastructure, and an end to the fighting is not yet in sight. In the long run, the cost is probably closer to the $750 billion that the Ukrainian prime minister has estimated. That is roughly equivalent to Switzerland's entire annual gross domestic product.

The politicians present are aware that this is an enormous sum. So they also emphasize that the expenditure is in the very own interest of their constituents. Olaf Scholz explains that the support of today's Ukraine is equivalent to the future support of an EU member state. Ursula von der Leyen opts for even more pathos: "Every euro, dollar, pound and yen for Ukraine is an investment in the democratic future of the world."

The Ukrainian President Selenski, who is on the line, has no problem agreeing with these statements. Sitting in a green military fatigues in front of two Ukrainian flags, Selenski makes a forceful appeal to the audience. "Ukraine, this is the physical security of Europe. We guarantee that Russian revanchists cannot destroy Europe."

But Selenski unequivocally addresses one aspect that previous speakers left out. Reconstruction of Ukraine, he said, must be paid for with frozen Russian funds. Thus, at the Ukrainian president's request, these should not only be frozen, but also confiscated and put to new uses.

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki is also taking the same line. "We have access to a huge pot of gold that can be allocated to Ukrainian reconstruction: These are assets of the Russian Federation and Russian oligarchs that are frozen in Switzerland and many other countries around the world." At the second sentence, he looks at his counterpart, Swiss President Ignazio Cassis, who is also sitting on the podium next to Morawiecki as the host of the Lugano conference.

The latter had previously affirmed that Switzerland stood firmly by Ukraine's side. As a neutral country, Switzerland does not supply weapons. "But our legal obligations, which arise from respect for neutrality, do not imply indifference to Russia's violent breach of international law," the president noted.

In his speech, Cassis, who traveled to Kiev last week, pointed to the Lugano Principles. Among other things, these stipulate that reconstruction should be carried out in partnership and under Ukraine's leadership. However, assistance will be linked to a reform process or the further development of rule-of-law norms.

By actively supporting Ukraine in this area, Cassis is pursuing the idea of a Swiss foreign policy in the 21st century: The law of neutrality does not prohibit political and humanitarian solidarity. Olaf Scholz acknowledged this course in his concluding remarks: Lugano had been the first step for the reconstruction of Ukraine, which would now be continued in Berlin.

However, differences remain over the concrete plans: As with arms deliveries to Ukraine, the Eastern Europeans are calling for even more commitment and a stricter anti-Russian policy than Germany, for example, is doing. According to Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Schmihal, Poland is ready to pass a law confiscating Russian assets.

When Scholz is asked about the issue at the later press conference, he answers evasively. Confiscation, he said, is a very difficult legal issue that requires a lot of work. It would be necessary to look closely at whether confiscations were possible within the framework of rule-of-law principles.

However, a much more important aspect also remains unresolved at the Berlin conference. What role will Ukraine's so far most solvent ally play? For American government representatives are absent from the conference. A looming conflict between the Europeans and the Americans over the structure of support for Ukraine can already be foreseen.

Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen had already proposed a "Ukraine Reconstruction Platform" in May, in which all international donors would participate. The Commission and Ukraine should jointly manage the funds.

In Berlin, von der Leyen admitted that all partners, including those outside Europe, were needed for the enormous task. But the EU Commission, she said, was best suited to combine investment in Ukraine with the reforms needed for the country's future accession. Therefore, he said, the Commission stands ready to take on "secretariat functions" in the reconstruction process - that is, control over the distribution of money.

However, it is considered impossible that the U.S. will let the Europeans coordinate their aid to Ukraine on their own. Thus, far from all contentious issues were resolved in Berlin. Rather, it is to be expected that the fault lines will become even clearer in the future - for example at the next Ukraine conference. This will take place in London in 2023.

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[Jimbuna]

Putin told nuclear threats won't prevent his humiliating defeat as he's 'already lost'

Russia has "already lost" to Ukraine and President Vladimir Putin's desperate nuclear threats will do nothing to prevent his inevitable defeat, a European defence chief has said. However, Artis Pabriks, Latvia's defence minister, took a thinly veiled swipe at an unspecified European country, likely to be Germany, whom he accused of "betrayal" by going against the interests of both his country and Ukraine itself.

Mr Pabriks, who also served as a member of the European Parliament from 2014 to 2018, made his outspoken remarks during an interview with Radio Free Europe in Riga, Latvia's capital.

He said: "Even if Putin drops one of two nuclear bombs, or something happens to the nuclear plant in Zaporizhzhia, does he really think he can win Ukraine over with this?

"He cannot win Ukraine over like this, that's impossible."

Nothing Putin did would persuade the West to halt its support for Ukraine, Mr Pabriks pointed out.

He added: "In other words if someone in Russia still has common sense - I still do not consider Russians to be out of their minds - they must understand that by dropping nuclear bombs they cannot win this war.

"They have already lost.

"Given that, there is no military point to do this because it will not improve Russia's position, it will only make it worse."

In comments addressed directly to Ukraine itself, Mr Pabriks said: "The outcome of the war in Ukraine will have a big and serious impact on the interests of my country and my people.

"In other words, Ukraine must win.

"This is in our national interests, because to a certain degree, Ukrainians are fighting for our interests.

"You are fighting for Europe, for democracy, for freedom of human rights."

With that in mind, he also questioned the commitment of some of Ukraine's partners in Europe, explaining: "If someone in Europe does not understand that, not only do they do against the interests of Ukraine, but they also go against the interests of Latvia.

"And if they are members of the European Union and NATO, and go against the interests of my country, what else is it but a betrayal?"

While he did not mention Germany by name, Mr Pabriks has been a frequent critic in recent months.

In January, prior to Putin's invasion on February 24, he branded Berlin "immoral and hypocritical" for its links with Russia and China, warning its behaviour risked driving a wedge between western and eastern European nations.

On Friday, he tweeted his interview with German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine, commenting: "We expect more courage from German society and faster reactions from the Federal Government.

"Almost everything depends on Germany. We are at war. And that's where the largest countries in Europe have to lead."

Speaking yesterday in response to a question about calls from within his own party for more diplomatic efforts to end the war in Ukraine, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said all relevant political actors in Germany, and everyone in government, agreed that Ukraine's territorial integrity must be preserved.

Social Democrat caucus leader Rolf Muetzenich caused a stir at the weekend after highlighting opinion polls suggesting many Germans had wanted diplomatic efforts aimed at ending the war get underway as soon as Putin launched his invasion.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-told-nuclear-threats-won-t-prevent-his-humiliating-defeat-as-he-s-already-lost/ar-AA13nYyJ?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=c8ba4a8a452a4fbb9dbb62d7f60406de

[Jimbuna]

What does ‘lose’ look like for the Russia-Ukraine war? We need room to discuss how this ends

It was Emmanuel Macron who first invited a storm of criticism by saying the West should avoid humiliating Russia in a peace deal.

Then came the turn of former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, who in May said Kyiv should cede territory to Russia and that pushing Moscow’s forces beyond the lines they held before February 23rd would lead to catastrophe.

In September, the Conservative MP and former defence minister Andrew Murrison waded in, arguing that defeating Russia on the battlefield would be undesirable and Putin should be allowed to save face.

The current Minister for the Armed Forces, James Heappey, quickly slapped him down.

All of which makes a toxic background for the letter this week sent to President Biden from a group of Democratic congressional members urging, among other requests, greater diplomatic efforts for a negotiated settlement and direct talks with Russia.

Public discourse about the war’s end currently has no room for talk of ‘negotiation’. Any such suggestion is immediately snuffed out and labelled appeasement.

Similarly, calls for direct talks are castigated, despite the fact phone calls this week by Russia's defence minister and armed forces chief to their opposite numbers in the US, UK and France were generally welcomed.

There is currently no prospect of negotiations between Ukraine and Russia; neither side wants, nor has the domestic appetite, for talks.

But we, the international communities outside Ukraine, are not just idle, even if disgusted, bystanders. We have a direct and personal interest in what happens in the war, how it ends and what comes next.

This conflict has the potential to escalate past the nuclear threshold. That impacts us all and while it is correct to hold Biden to his line “nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine” there has to be room to discuss these issues if mistakes, with potentially global impact, are not to be made when the end arrives.

Very few wars end with an outright winner on the battlefield.

Nato, leading the international military support for Ukraine, wants Russia to lose this war. Given Russia’s woeful performance so far there is every possibility this conflict could buck the historical trend.

If not though, what does ‘lose’ look like? Is there a military limit at which point weapon deliveries give way to some future security model? If so, where? The lines as they were on Feb 23? Or 2014? If Kyiv’s troops do not eject Russian forces from their country entirely and Nato is not prepared to put boots on the ground and jets in the air, what happens then?

There has to be room to discuss the mucky stuff in the space between peace and war, victory and defeat. Shutting down such debates as accommodating Putin only gifts him the diplomatic initiative.

To be clear, the letter from the Congressional caucus made clear that Ukraine must end this war sovereign and independent. It said there is no place for the US to pressure President Zelensky's government regarding sovereign decisions.

Even though it has been withdrawn, it will undoubtedly be used by the Kremlin to highlight imaginary cracks in the international consensus against this vile and illegitimate war.

Sensible observers will see through that of course, but perhaps it would have been better had the contents not been made public.

However, if the letter does nothing more than encourage serious discussion on how we - Ukraine and the international community together - want this war to end, with all the messy detail that entails, it will have served a common good.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/what-does-lose-look-like-for-the-russia-ukraine-war-we-need-room-to-discuss-how-this-ends/ar-AA13mIXg?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=aa23f28d5a2d4530985c7fd5a204437e

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvdRZ3Sfq8k

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGpgKarDdX4

[mapuc]

Had to change the comment-I wrote before watching the video. I thought 101st Air borne was preparing to intervene in Ukraine.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Accusations of Russian Federation regarding "dirty bomb" are false, world is watching this very carefully, - Stoltenberg

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg warned Russia against escalation on the pretext of Ukraine’s accusations of plans to use a "dirty bomb".

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Ukrinform.

"Russia is now trying to falsely accuse Ukraine of preparing to use a radioactive 'dirty bomb' on its own territory. NATO allies reject this obviously false accusation. Russia often accuses others of what they intend to do themselves. We have seen this trend before, from Syria to Ukraine. Russia should not use false pretexts for further escalation. The world is watching this very carefully," Stoltenberg emphasized.

The NATO Secretary General noted that Russia's brutal war against Ukraine is entering a decisive moment. President Putin responds to his failures on the battlefield by intensifying aggression, strikes on the civilian population and civilian energy infrastructure, and drone and missile attacks on residential areas.

He reminded that during the past days it became obvious that Iran provides military support to Russia in its war against Ukraine. The head of NATO called such a situation "unacceptable".

"No country should help the aggressor in this criminal war. I welcome the fact that the Allies and the European Union are applying strong sanctions against Tehran," the NATO Secretary General said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376322

[Rockstar]

Hard to cut and paste this one. But worth the time to read.

Abandoned Russian base holds secrets of retreat in Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-russia-base/

When Russian troops fled the Ukrainian town of Balakliia last month, they left behind thousands of documents that detail the inner workings of the Russian war machine.

By MARI SAITO, MARIA TSVETKOVA and ANTON ZVEREV
Photographs by ZOHRA BENSEMRA

Filed: Oct. 26, 2022, 11 a.m. GMT

[Jimbuna]

Steinmeier after his visit to Ukraine: "Everything is much scarier than one imagines in Germany"

German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, after his yesterday’s visit to Kyiv, said that the situation in our country is much more dire than it is imagined in Germany.

As Censor.NET informs, he said this during an interview with Tagesschau.

Yesterday, during his trip, Steinmeier had to spend about two hours in one of the shelters in the Chernihiv region due to the air alert announced in the country.

"Everything is much scarier than we imagine in Germany. I was shocked by the stories we were told. Everyone who can think and sympathize wants the hostilities in Ukraine to stop," he said.

Steinmeier also noted that the peace must be fair.

https://censor.net/en/news/3376334/steinmeier_after_his_visit_to_ukraine_everything_i s_much_scarier_than_one_imagines_in_germany#:~:tex t=%22This%20means%20that,air%20defense%20equipment .

[Jimbuna]

Shoigu called defense ministers of India and China: Told about "dirty bomb"

The Minister of Defense of the occupying country, Sergei Shoigu, held a conversation with the Defense Ministers of India and China, Rajnath Singh and Wei Fenghe.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

According to the ministry, Shoigu discussed the situation in Ukraine with his Indian and Chinese colleagues and told about "concern about possible provocations by Ukraine with the use of a 'dirty bomb'."

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that the head of the department, Serhiy Shoigu, during a telephone conversation with the Minister of Defense of Great Britain, Ben Wallace, on October 23, announced the alleged possible use of a "dirty bomb" by Ukraine.

The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, responded by saying that only one entity can use nuclear weapons in our part of Europe, and he ordered Defense Minister Shoigu to call his colleagues. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376367

[Jimbuna]

Russians stole Potemkin’s remains from Kherson

The Russian aggressors took not only the monument to Potemkin, but also the remains of the prince himself from Kherson, which was temporarily occupied by them.

Volodymyr Saldo, the head of the occupying "administration" of the Kherson region, said this, Censor.NET reports with reference to the Russian mass media.

"I am asked why spiritual relics and monuments were taken from Kherson... We moved to the left bank the remains of the most illustrious prince in the Catherine Church. We also moved Potemkin himself to the left bank... These are the shrines that, I believe, should be preserved," said Saldo.

Earlier, Censor.NET reported that the occupiers removed monuments to Potemkin, commander Oleksandr Suvorov and Admiral Fedor Ushakov from Kherson.

Grigory Potemkin was a Russian statesman of the 18th century, and the founder of the Black Sea Fleet. In addition, he is considered the founder of a number of cities on the territory of Ukraine. In particular, such as Kherson, Mykolaiv, Dnipro (then Katerynoslav), and Sevastopol.

He was one of the most influential people in the Russian Empire, and a favorite of Catherine II. Managed the capture and initial organization of Crimea. His remains were kept in the Catherine Cathedral in Kherson for more than two hundred years. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376370

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahKdcFQjoeE

[mapuc]

It's definitely not looking good my friends.

First Putin in a meeting with his puppets saying Ukraine is preparing a dirty bomb

In another Status some Russian diplomat is accusing the west for helping Ukraine building this dirty bomb.

Plus all the rest I've read and heard about the last 48 hours gives me the indication..it's not looking good.

Markus

[August]

The only way anyone would believe that Ukraine was behind the detonation of a nuclear device would be if it went off inside the Kremlin, with Putler there.

[Eichhörnchen]

^ "Putler" :har::har::har:

[Jimbuna]

Vladimir Putin has overseen annual exercises by Russia's strategic nuclear forces at a time of heightened tensions with the West over his eight-month-long war in Ukraine.

Ballistic and cruise missiles were launched from the Arctic to Russia's Far East, the Kremlin said.

The US was told about the drill under the terms of the New Start arms treaty.

The launches took place as Russia makes unsubstantiated claims that Ukraine was plotting to use a "dirty bomb".

A "dirty bomb" is an explosive device mixed with radioactive material and the Russian allegations have been widely rejected by Western countries as false.

Kyiv warned the claims indicate Moscow itself could be preparing such an attack.

The last Russian nuclear drill took place five days before it invaded Ukraine.

Ahead of the latest exercise, military officials in Washington pointed out that, in notifying the US, the Russians were complying with arms control obligations.

Nato is also staging its own nuclear exercises, dubbed Steadfast Noon, in north-western Europe. The Western defensive alliance said training flights involving 14 countries were taking place until Sunday over Belgium, the UK and the North Sea.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63397927

[Aktungbby]

^ "Putler" /\ I prefer "Vlad the Rapist" as a captain is held responsible for the conduct of his troops; as evidenced by the multiple executions of defeated Nazi and Japanese generals following WWII. Putin, after helping NATO win by his micro-mismanagement of the ground war in Ukraine, needs to be taken into custody and put on trial. Even Emperor Hirohito was considered for war crimes but MacArthur deemed him necessary to postwar harmony in the the Nipponese restoration; now proving useful in the impending deterioration of Chinese/puppet-state N.Korean sabre-rattling. That Russia is even allowed to function at the UN, much less on the Security Council, is utterly incomprehensible to me. We r well on course since my earlier post: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2821999&postcount=5507

[Jimbuna]

Polish Senate recognized Russian government as terrorist regime. PHOTOS

On October 26, the Polish Senate unanimously adopted a resolution recognizing the Russian government as a terrorist regime.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the website of the upper house of the Polish Parliament.

"Bandits in Russian uniforms torture and kill prisoners of war and civilians in the occupied territories. They kidnap Ukrainian children to raise them as regime janissaries. They deport, resettle and send Ukrainian citizens to the far periphery of Russia," the resolution reads.

The senators emphasized that all that is well known from history, Putin's regime repeats the actions of the Stalinist and Nazi regimes.

"That is why Russia must be defeated and deprived of the opportunity to threaten its neighbors," the senators urged.

The deputies also called on the international community to provide full support to the International Criminal Court in the investigation of crimes committed by Russia in Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3376381