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The US effectively destroyed any russian leverage that was left via the Nordstream pipes.
Leaving the US with a lot more leverage via LNG deliveries.
If Russia just kept turning it off (without destroying it) it would make a bit more sense, don't you think so?
They could open the tap anytime if the EU states complied, now there is no leverage left.
And as Rockstar quoted, it was even announced.
I thought that this was a perfect false flag operation in order to accuse another country for being behind it. What country they will point finger at I don't know.
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Catfish
09-27-22, 02:05 PM
Who do you mean with "they"? :)
Skybird
09-27-22, 02:07 PM
Der Spiegel reports that the CIA warned Berlin already in June. They would not have done so if the warning was of an American attack... :O:
Again, catfish, Putin does not care for economy and needs of Russian people (he just has started to annihilate the Russian economy's workforce pool for the coming thirty years, if you have no noticed it). He now is "all in". He needs a destabilisation in Germany, and Europe. Therefore: no more gas sales. If the European poltical unity cannot be shaken by him, he is toast. No more gas sales. Not now. Not in the future. He is beyond that. Think of it as a point of no return.
Also, psychopath's logic. "The subject is disobedient. It needs to be punished." The harder, the better. Deep rooting narcissism, and offence/insult (Kränkung). Any psychiatrist and psychologist must get bright eyes when readig his case. The KGB did not promote him beyond a certain rank becaise its analysts assessed him to be incapable to fully forsee the consequences of his decisions and acting in the present. From that prspective it is surprising that he was able to play the Europeans against the wall for almost 20 years. The explanation for that however is less to be found in him, and more in the weaknesses of the Europeans.
Who do you mean with "they"? :)
They=Russia
Markus
The US effectively destroyed any russian leverage that was left via the Nordstream pipes.
Leaving the US with a lot more leverage via LNG deliveries.
Which might be called eliminating the competition I suppose but not "blackmail". Blackmail is threatening to do something if the victim doesn't pay or do something else you want them to do. Are you saying that Biden threatened your government that we would destroy the pipelines if they didn't pay their NATO dues or something and then actually did it when you continued to welsh on your alliance responsibilities or what?? Maybe there is something lost in translation here but I just don't see how what happened, if done by the USA, constitutes blackmail.
If Russia just kept turning it off (without destroying it) it would make a bit more sense, don't you think so?
They could open the tap anytime if the EU states complied, now there is no leverage left.
And as Rockstar quoted, it was even announced.
Not really, as the Russians never shut off the pipeline as a Punitive Action for Germany's assistance to Ukraine (what little there was of it), but rather they claimed that equipment failures were the cause of the disruption, reasons which were soon debunked. This provides them a solid justification for the long term shutdown and casts aspersions upon their enemy. Sounds like something they would do, don't you think so?
Drones have apparently entered safety zones of several oil platforms more often recently. The Norwegian regulatory authority is now issuing an official warning. The Norwegian Oil Production Regulatory Authority has issued a warning about unidentified flying objects. Operators of oil rigs off the Norwegian coast are reported to have recently sighted several drones or other flying objects in safety zones, according to a statement from Petroleumstilsynet (PTIL).
Safety zones of 500 meters above, around and in the water exist for each of the rigs on the Norwegian continental shelf. Only aircraft or vehicles with permission are allowed to enter these. Apparently, this regulation has now been disregarded several times. The police are investigating, the statement says. At the rigs, drones could collide with helicopters operating there, PTIL warns. Also, aircraft without a special license could trigger explosions or collide with the oil rig, possibly even intentionally.
Norwegian oil rig operator Equinor had notified police this month of drone activity at at least three of its rigs, Norwegian online magazine Aldri Mer reported in mid-September. Flights by unknown objects had also been observed later. Among other places, the Johan Sverdrup, Gullfaks C and Snorre A oil fields were said to be affected.
Apparently, no serious incidents occurred. There is now speculation in the Norwegian media about the motives for the drone flights on oil rigs. Possibly they served to gather information, for example, for sabotage operations. According to vg.no, Norwegian military expert Lars Peder Haga argues that such reconnaissance flights in daylight so close to the drilling platforms appear amateurish.
https://www.heise.de/news/Norwegische-Oel-Foerderer-sichten-vermehrt-unidenfizierte-Drohnen-7276936.html
^ if these are the Russians, they're now trying to attack NATO energy supply.
Catfish
09-27-22, 02:34 PM
Which might be called eliminating the competition I suppose but not "blackmail". Blackmail is threatening to do something if the victim doesn't pay or do something else you want them to do. [...]
Well i'd say the US tried to blackmail and when bubble Olaf (tm by Skybird) did not comply, they created facts.
So they just did it when blackmail did not work. You might call it peaceful hegemony :03: :D
Not really, as the Russians never shut off the pipeline as a Punitive Action for Germany's assistance to Ukraine (what little there was of it),
But Putin did exactly that.
[...] but rather they claimed that equipment failures were the cause of the disruption, reasons which were soon debunked.
Of course they als tried to blackmail, and when i look at Olaf Scholz it worked, probably due to his good relations to Russia :D
This provides them a solid justification for the long term shutdown and casts aspersions upon their enemy.
Yes but since everyone knows what is going on why should they destroy their only instrument of applying pressure to Europe?
Sounds like something they would do, don't you think so?
No i do not.
There is nothing to gain for Russia by destroying Nordstream when they can just cut it off by closing the taps.
It was announced, the US has the most advantage of it, and with or without Occam's razor it looks pretty clear.
There is of course one reason for Russia, to sow division in Nato of course, but they are not so dumb to think that any european country will leave Nato because of this US stunt?
Hey i do not even criticize it, US being US after all.
Dargo wrote:
"According to vg.no, Norwegian military expert Lars Peder Haga argues that such reconnaissance flights in daylight so close to the drilling platforms appear amateurish."
A perfect cover-Act as amateur.
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Skybird
09-27-22, 03:10 PM
Catfish, again: Putinis desperate, he cannot afford to waste effort son planning beyond the imminent present, because he struggles for mere suriovval. He must disrupt Europe NOW, or he is toast.
Also, it is pattern with Russia. They alway stry to fabricate a sitaiton that serves as an alibi for their own misdeeds. Everybody knows it, and so do they, still they always do that. The Siemens turbine was a fake excuse (not to deliver gas). The referendums are fake excuses (to russify parts oif Ukraine and then declare any attempt to rteclaim them as an attack on Russia). The broken pipeline is a fake excuse not to deliver gas now or later. And it is an excuse for trying to push diusputrting energy in Europoe without formally being held accountable - or can anyone prove that it were the Russians?
The future is something one does not care for if one's survival is threatened in the imminent, immediate, direct present. First things first.
My Norwegian friend told me that The security around on/offshore installations have been maximised due to the pipeline sabotage and the observation of these drones.
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Catfish
09-27-22, 03:19 PM
Maybe, or not.
It would be much more effective to cut the oil and gas being pumped from Russia to Europe via Ukraine. I expect Putin to do this soon, or later this winter, without blowing up the pipelines?
Skybird
09-27-22, 03:20 PM
Ah, nice illustraiton by Die welt: a Russian threat. "Look what happened to Nordstream, if you do not accept our landsteal in Ukraine, the same could happen to oil pipelines of yours."
https://i.postimg.cc/G2SQXKT4/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)
The Russians have submarines equipped for detecting and in any way manipulating transatlantic cables, pipelines and such. It was reported already years ago.
I would give the US theory more probability if it were not Biden but Trump still being in the WH. As a matter of fact, Biden is more Europe-friendly (which does not mean he is Europe-friendly, he only is less Europe-hostile than Trump and less Europe- indifferent than Obama were, but Biden is America-first in all regards. Still it was him who saved the Germans from punishing US sanctions over Nordstream 2 last year. What he maybe regrets now...).
HunterICX
09-27-22, 03:23 PM
I would give the US theory more probability if it were not Biden but Trump still being in the WH. As a matter of fact, Biden is more Europe-friendly (which does not mean he is Europe-friendly, he only is less Europe-hostile than Trump and less Europe- indifferent than Obama were, but Biden is America-first in all regards. Still it was him who saved the Germans from punishing US sanctions over Nordstream 2 last year. What he maybe regrets now...).
Ehm.... about that:
https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?t=86
Skybird
09-27-22, 03:33 PM
Not as invalid as I thought, i did not know the prject was finished. Die welt writes:
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Government representatives from Poland, Denmark and Norway opened the new Baltic Pipe pipeline in the Baltic Sea on Tuesday. Natural gas is to flow through it from Norway via Denmark to Poland. In parallel, Germany and Denmark continued to search for the cause of three leaks in the Nord Stream pipelines under the Baltic Sea.
"The era of Russian domination of gas is coming to an end - an era marked by blackmail, threats and coercion," Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said at the symbolic inauguration of Baltic Pipe's compressor station in Goleniow near the Polish port city of Szczecin. Now, he said, a new era of energy sovereignty and freedom is beginning. It's about energy security, he said, but also in security in a broader sense: showing that solidarity can make the continent more secure.
"This day marks a crucial geopolitical step for all of us," said Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen. Norway's Oil and Energy Minister Terje Aasland stressed that Russia's President Vladimir Putin wants to divide the West, but he is not succeeding.
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This project included or still incldues the plan to have US LNG gas from terminals in Denmark delivered to Poland. This is the other reason, a purely financial-economical one, why the Polish side was so bitterly against Nordstream 1 and 2 - these projects by the Germans threatened the gains in income and influence Poland hoped/hopes to achieve by that pipeline, because gas from this pipeline then should be distributed into Europe - via Poland.
Skybird
09-27-22, 03:40 PM
Ehm.... about that:
https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?t=86
Yes, but that was right before the war started and wa sobvious (at least for some) to come.
When Biden took over from Trump, Trumps threats - supported both by Republicans and Democrats by majority! - of punishing sanctions against every company participating in the Nordsstream 2 construction were part of the heritage he took over. And he prevented the sanctions, who already were in flight to their targets, so to speak, to hit, instead called them back, he did not like it, but he did, in a bid to not risk serious diplomatic conflict with germany: that the US would have won, but at the cost of a grumbling Germany, and Biden thought it was better to have a better start with Germany at the beginning of his own term,m for the sake of cooperation. - But all that is history now.
My main argument against a US attack is what I already said one page earlier. If it were the US and it would become revealed, the diplomatic repurcussions would be immense. Even more so since it was not even tried to make this appear as an acicdent. Its obvious that it was an intended strike.
What if the EU would strike gas terminals in the US with explosives and destroy them to a degree that they cannot be sued again because many Europeans do not like fracking gas and want the Us to stop fracking? The US would not be amused, and the daily transatlantical small talk would know only one topic.
Another problem with the sabotage of Nord Stream 1, 2 is that many gas in water has effect on buoyancy of shipping and there is seawater in the pipeline that will damage the pipeline more this is not easy to fix pipelines are not build for seawater.
We got them: We just love diving near underwater gas pipelines. Nord Stream 1 and 2 are famous.
https://i.postimg.cc/pXWz79gP/Nord-Stream.jpg
Hmm weren't these men behind the poison of the Russian in UK ?
Seems to recall their faces.
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Skybird
09-27-22, 06:03 PM
Frankfurter Rundschau writes:
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Russian men have attempted to surrender themselves to Ukrainian authorities. A spokesman for Ukrainian military intelligence said that the men being rounded up for the Ukraine war were trying to avoid the front lines by doing so.
Andriy Yusov, spokesman for the Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, said Monday, (Sept. 26), on state television that recently mobilized Russians had contacted a hotline set up by Ukrainian security services. They had asked to surrender, Ukrainska Pravda reported.
Russia: Putin announces compulsory military service on television
"Now there are many calls to the hotline from newly mobilized Russians or even those who have not yet been mobilized," Yuzov said during the broadcast, according to Pravda. "They call and ask, 'If I am mobilized, what should I do, what should I do, how should I surrender?'"
After Ukrainian forces successfully retook parts of the country in a counteroffensive this month, Vladimir Putin announced a partial draft in a televised address last week. He said the draft would apply to Russian citizens in the military reserve or those who have served in the armed forces and have "certain military specializations and relevant experience."
Yuzov said Russia has already exhausted all available conscripts in the Donetsk and Luhansk administrative districts. Russians were not motivated to fight in Ukraine, and those who had been mobilized or had yet to be mobilized were calling the Ukrainian hotline, Yuzov said. The British Ministry of Defense said Monday in its report on the war that the mobilized men are arriving at bases as Russia now faces an "administrative and logistical challenge to train the troops."
"The shortage of military trainers and the haste with which Russia has begun mobilization suggest that many of the drafted troops will go to the front lines with minimal preparation," the ministry said. "They are likely to suffer a high rate of attrition."
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les green01
09-27-22, 10:27 PM
since the US navy been able to pickup scrap off the seabeds 1960's tap cables since the late70's when johnny red walker sold out he gave them one tap location when ussr raise it up the tap had made in the US i have been in support of ukraine from day one but when i see blame the US bs makes me think we be better not sending the billions of dollars money and equipment over there that money can sure be use here it your backyard not mine i won't be looking at the sky wondering if i'm going be seeing bunch of land base nukes taking off all around me since i'm in the middle of US missle silo area
Commander Wallace
09-27-22, 10:34 PM
since the US navy been able to pickup scrap off the seabeds 1960's tap cables since the late70's when johnny red walker sold out he gave them one tap location when ussr raise it up the tap had made in the US i have been in support of ukraine from day one but when i see blame the US bs makes me think we be better not sending the billions of dollars money and equipment over there that money can sure be use here it your backyard not mine i won't be looking at the sky wondering if i'm going be seeing bunch of land base nukes taking off all around me since i'm in the middle of US missle silo area
Actually, It was Ronald Pelton with the NSA who gave away the cable tapping operations to the Soviets. Johhny Walker Red, his brother and son and Jerry Whitworth compromised the communications system including the cipher lists used by the U.S Navy.
This is of course right, point taken.
Thanks Commander Wallace, i was offline right after my post, you essentially made clear what i ran away from :)
I ran over this Mr. Peterson several times, and while he is good and routinely professional in speaking about all what he calls truth and honesty, it is often rhetorical rubbish. I especially clashed with his imho confused ideas about climate science. He also is no military man, but there a lot of non-military persons who have a better grasp on the situation.
re Gorpet, it is not me that has a "hate" against russians, it is about this invasion, with some of the russian soldiers obviously being poor devils. (though my sympathy is held in check, especially when i hear and read of russian voices supporting the aggressor).
I always was for Russia, for trading, making connections, criticizing the US for their policies after 1989 towards Russia if you read my older postings.
It was a bit hard but this invasion and what becomes known of Putin's cleptocracy and his openly imperial and fascist ideas changed my mind.
We have privately brought some stuff to help Ukraine via Poland to Lwiw, though not ammo or weapons, yet.
I also think chancellor bubble-Olaf Scholz has to go, he was a great admirer of Russia and the GDR in his youth, and he obviously has a lot of friendship left for Russia and Putin's régime, though Putin has nothing to do with communist ideas (though he certainly (ab)uses Rusia's "glorious" communist past to justify his war.) Funny how the far right and left suddenly agrees when it comes to imperial ideas.
Just what are Imperial ideas.Please explain,To this American if you don't mind.And now as you are Older you think there is no Kleptocracy? and fascist ideals? If they haven't took out of your library of books how did Benito come to power.And how are the present day Politicians promoting your future well being. A government and corporation in a marriage. Just look at what's going on in the UK now. Sir Sterma is about as fascist as you can get. The man's worth 11to20 million pounds. Ya know what when a politician starts telling me on my tax dollar has to back corps for my future.But the immigrants pay nothing. It's time, yes i know we owe we owe. And i'm getting tired of that crap.How many of your daughters children will you have to raise.? because we owe.
Russia announces win in ‘sham’ Ukraine referendum vote:
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/russia-announces-win-in-sham-ukraine-referendum-vote-20220928-p5blld
[QUOTE=Reece;2829626]Russia announces win in ‘sham’ Ukraine referendum vote:
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/russia-announces-win-in-sham-ukraine-referendum-vote-20220928-p5blld[/QUOT
Do you really believe that crap anymore? Oh yea we can see on Youtube the Russians getting killed close up.All the time, If the Ukraines are doing so good why do they keep asking for more Money and Weapons? Hell the United States won shame elections around the world since and after 1945. And they lost every country.So This time the New World Order thinks they.Who are World politician's and their families. Think they can put the squeeze on Russia and their Politicians will be just as greedy and lust for money and power in the new world order. Ya know what the Russians may just want to keep their culture and be Russians.Every single country that opened their country's up to the woke and new world order immigration and welfare are now in the throes of disintegration.Which will eventually bring about a cleansing covid.The next will be the real killer.
Russia to open war enlisting hub on Georgia border
Russia is to open an army enlisting centre on the border with Georgia, where massive queues have formed as Russian men try to flee the country to avoid being sent to fight in Ukraine.
Officers at the Verkhniy Lars crossing will be tasked with serving summons to "citizens of the mobilisation age", the authorities say.
Recent satellite images have shown queues going for miles from Russia.
All those crossing into Georgia look exhausted, a BBC correspondent says.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63050880
Jim,The US Politicians would have their entire Army running. The Democrats believe they have an Army of Immigrants and they will Fight.Why? should they? Life is good in America.The natural born middle class are throwing their selfs off bridges and highway overpasses to atone for their guilt.When America and the UK run out of weapons and money and no citizens to fight then.Our immigrants will demand an end and then it will stop.
Frankfurter Rundschau writes:
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Russian men have attempted to surrender themselves to Ukrainian authorities. A spokesman for Ukrainian military intelligence said that the men being rounded up for the Ukraine war were trying to avoid the front lines by doing so.
Andriy Yusov, spokesman for the Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, said Monday, (Sept. 26), on state television that recently mobilized Russians had contacted a hotline set up by Ukrainian security services. They had asked to surrender, Ukrainska Pravda reported.
Russia: Putin announces compulsory military service on television
"Now there are many calls to the hotline from newly mobilized Russians or even those who have not yet been mobilized," Yuzov said during the broadcast, according to Pravda. "They call and ask, 'If I am mobilized, what should I do, what should I do, how should I surrender?'"
After Ukrainian forces successfully retook parts of the country in a counteroffensive this month, Vladimir Putin announced a partial draft in a televised address last week. He said the draft would apply to Russian citizens in the military reserve or those who have served in the armed forces and have "certain military specializations and relevant experience."
Yuzov said Russia has already exhausted all available conscripts in the Donetsk and Luhansk administrative districts. Russians were not motivated to fight in Ukraine, and those who had been mobilized or had yet to be mobilized were calling the Ukrainian hotline, Yuzov said. The British Ministry of Defense said Monday in its report on the war that the mobilized men are arriving at bases as Russia now faces an "administrative and logistical challenge to train the troops."
"The shortage of military trainers and the haste with which Russia has begun mobilization suggest that many of the drafted troops will go to the front lines with minimal preparation," the ministry said. "They are likely to suffer a high rate of attrition."
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It sucks when you rub up with a bear and lose all because of an immature 16 year old. By the way where is she? You know the Blah Blah girl. Yes where the hell is Greta Thunberg? Where is the champion of the planet.I bet you She will not have to worry about freezing.
And next summer NetFlix will have a series about Greta and how she lived with nothing but a windmill and a solar collector. And by the way, You better hope NATO calls up the Germans. I can't see you heading to the front lines in any direction. Don't worry you cannot escape the blast zone. Oh hell she is now in America, Why would she come to America? Why in the hell would Greta come to America ? Ah she is experiencing mushrooms with Amber Heard at the Ex Royals. Life is good and bird's of a feather will always flock together. Just like you at the train tracks looking for coal. There have been so many that have said.Elect a Politian a "Professional Liar" don't complain when they are eating lobster and yore fighting over the few catfish in the local lake..After all we elected these people for their brains didn't we?
Catfish
09-28-22, 03:46 AM
re Skybird:
If the russians destroyed Nordstream (may well be, just not sure), i do not foresee a long life for the new Norway-Poland pipeline.
If they did it once ...
edit:
on the other hand there is the USS Kearsarge that has been at the locations, switching off its AIS.
So, still not sure.
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 05:30 AM
The EU says there will be consequences for the organisers of so-called referendums in occupied parts of Ukraine.
Pro-Russia leaders in the four occupied regions say the votes show the vast majority of people support the annexation of the areas by Russia.
But the referendums have widely been condemned as illegitimate.
The BBC has been told that soldiers were going door to door to make people take part in the votes.
Meanwhile, several countries say ruptures to Russian gas pipelines under the Baltic Sea were caused deliberately, possibly by explosives.
Ukrainian military commanders on the southern frontline have told the BBC they're making limited progress in their counter-offensive against Russia's invasion force.
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 05:35 AM
'Stupid and absurd' to say Russia behind gas leaks - Kremlin
The Kremlin says it is "stupid and absurd" to conclude that Russia was behind gas leaks on the Nord Stream pipelines to Europe.
The European Union has said the leaks in the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines from Russia to Europe were caused by sabotage - but did not directly accuse Russia.
Ukraine has gone further, accusing Russia of a "terrorist attack".
"It's quite predictable and also predictably stupid to give voice to these kinds of narratives - predictably stupid and absurd," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
"This is a big problem for us because, firstly, both lines of Nord Stream 2 are filled with gas - the entire system is ready to pump gas and the gas is very expensive... Now the gas is flying off into the air," he said.
People should wait for findings from an investigation before drawing conclusions, Peskov added.
Skybird
09-28-22, 05:39 AM
So, still not sure.
Nor am I, I argued in likelihoods here:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2829553&postcount=6745
The Russians are my main suspect, followed by the US and Ukraine, Poland, Germany, in order of falling likelihoods. I give it a rating of Russia 90%, USA 5%, Poland 2%, Germany 1%, and the remaining 2% for any other cause or actor.
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 06:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuEB4QOCxU
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 06:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozasS6DrTT0
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 07:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hATxnauync&t=4s
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 07:34 AM
Scholz on threat of nuclear attack: I want to clearly say to Russia - leave this idea behind!
Russia should not even think about using nuclear weapons against Ukraine.
This was stated by German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to the newspaper Neue Osnabrucker Zeitung, Censor.NET reports.
The Chancellor of Germany noted that no one can know for sure whether Vladimir Putin will use nuclear weapons.
"Who knows? However, like US President Joe Biden, I want to tell Russia clearly: leave this idea behind!" - he said.
The chancellor called the mobilization in Russia "an act of desperation and a somewhat panicked reaction to the failures of the Russian armed forces."
"Putin is making mistakes after mistakes. He could immediately end this war by withdrawing his troops and then start negotiations with Kyiv," Scholz said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370163
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 07:35 AM
Scholz on refusal to supply tanks to Ukraine: "We never do anything alone"
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, commenting on Germany’s refusal to supply Ukraine with Leopard battle tanks, said that he considers it "absolutely wise never to do anything alone."
He said this in an interview with The New York Times, Censor.NET reports with reference to LigaBusinessInform.
On September 13, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Dmytro Kuleba, wrote on Twitter: "No rational argument why these weapons cannot be provided, only abstract fears and excuses. What is Berlin afraid of, and Kyiv is not?"
According to the NYT, Scholz "got angry" in response to this question.
"Leadership isn't about doing what you're asked to do. Leadership is about making the right decisions and being very strong. And that's what I'm doing. We're working together and doing that with our allies, and we've never we don't do anything alone," said the German chancellor.
He added that this is how allies respond "to a very dangerous war" and "it is absolutely wise never to do anything alone."
Also in the interview, Scholz rejected any suggestion that the US might welcome Germany's increased action and take the initiative to send battle tanks, which are difficult to transport, especially across the ocean. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3369723
Skybird
09-28-22, 07:40 AM
Someone please open the window, some lukewarm German fart is passing through the room again.
The bid on who's behind the sabotage is widely.
Most of them say it's Biden and they base their standpoint on what Biden should have said about these gas line some 7 month ago or so.
Then there is those who think the Danish government is behind-This should be to stay in power and postpone the Danish election which is very near. Next year.
Then there's of course those who, like me-Says it's a false flag operation.
Markus
Skybird
09-28-22, 07:52 AM
Washington calls on all American citizens to leave Russia immediately.
Merkel mused, on the occasion of a speech for the opening of Something, about how to rebuild relations with Russia.
Germany and America do not seem to be parts of the same planet.
Commander Wallace
09-28-22, 08:05 AM
^ most likely Germany's proximity to Russia accounting for the difference in attitude.
Skybird
09-28-22, 08:12 AM
^ most likely Germany's proximity to Russia accounting for the difference in attitude.
And the Polish and Baltic people, are they not even closer and more exposed to Russia than Germany, and are confronted with Russian claims for their territory, and are in bigger danger of gettign struck first?
Commander Wallace
09-28-22, 08:17 AM
And the Polish and Baltic people, are they not closer to Russia than Germany?
They are indeed as is Finland and Sweden but still part of the same " neighborhood." Other than Finland, Germany has a vast history with Russia having taken up arms against each other in various wars. Other countries that were part of the Soviet satellite system or vassals during the cold war have their own history as well.
Washington calls on all American citizens to leave Russia immediately.
Made a search to find more information on this subject.
In a security alert published on its website, the US mission said Moscow may call people having dual Russian-US citizenship for military service.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/us-embassy-in-russia-urges-citizens-to-immediately-leave-country/2696901
Markus
A plausible scenario:
Russia is under heavy pressure in Donbas and Luhansk areas. Putin sees no other way than use nuke-He gives the order to throw a little nuke bomb between Kramatorsk and Kharkiv.
USA who has said this would be crossing a red line-Will retaliate and send a Hiroshima bomb size nuke to an area near the Ural mountain Where there's not so many people living.
Putin sees this as an..............
Markus
Skybird
09-28-22, 08:54 AM
They are indeed as is Finland and Sweden but still part of the same " neighborhood." Other than Finland, Germany has a vast history with Russia having taken up arms against each other in various wars. Other countries that were part of the Soviet satellite system or vassals during the cold war have their own history as well.
I know that, still Germans always "outclassed" the others in their desire to transfigure Russia. They alrerady did that durign the Bolshewist revolution and during the starvation haunting Russia at that time. Quite some auhtor and artist of German descent travelled Russia through those murderish troubling times, was confused by the mass dying he saw, ands still reported back home how great and wiodnerful Russia was, and oh the land, and oh the depth of the Russian soul, and how nature-connected. I often called the Ger,man hystericla romanticissts, since years I call them that and it is no offence, but a factual deception. Where Anglosaxon tradiiton "cold-heartedly" thinks and focus on ratio and realism, German tradition is to wallow in feeling the nature, feeling the devine, feeling this and feelign that and wallowing in sentimentalities of all kinds, until today (energy policy). Beuaiful arts and prose and painting sand music come form this. The darkest horrors and cold-hearted terrors also come form this. German sentimentality is merciless, and enforces its way with cruel determination to enforce its wellmeaningness on others. Its a deep-rooting receptivity for totalitarianism, disguised as collective solidarity - but this solidarity does not tolerate rejection and dissenters. The beginning of this self-deformation probably were the Prussian social order. I do not think Germans/y will ever be cured from this without eradicating "Germaness" from the history books. I also think the only thing the world can and should do is to indeed contain Germany, like political philosphers recommended already after WW1 and again after WW2. The looks of the crisdis in Europe today last but niot least have been fundamentally helped to shape up by Germany and its atottude to always knwo evertyhign better. "Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen" - thats a valid slogan, still. It has started to backfire against us. We have no right to complain over that.
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 09:06 AM
EU privately calls on Kyiv to move away from "single news" format on television, - German Ambassador Feldhusen
German Ambassador Anka Feldhusen said that the EU is privately calling on Kyiv to move away from the "single marathon" format on television and give viewers a choice.
As Censor.NET informs, she said this in an interview with "European Truth".
She was asked what Berlin's position is regarding those steps that are criticized in Ukraine as anti-democratic, in particular, disconnection from the broadcasts of three TV channels.
"Maybe not publicly, but we talk about these things with the Ukrainian government all the time. We have a common goal: for Ukraine to remain democratic even during the war," answered Anka Feldgusen.
According to her, the EU understands that information warfare is a component of modern wars, and its partners understand why Ukraine banned pro-Russian channels, but since they were not the only ones affected by the restrictions, Kyiv has been repeatedly urged to move to a more open information space.
When asked whether it was a departure from the "single marathon", the ambassador said that this could be one of the examples of what should be done.
"People should have alternative sources of information. It seems to me that all your political forces are now patriotic. Everyone wants Ukraine to win. Maybe there are different views, but still everyone is a patriot. And people should be given the opportunity to choose what they want to watch," said Anka Feldgusen. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370208
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 09:11 AM
All threads of "Nord Streams" may fail forever, - Tagesspiegel
The intelligence services of Germany fear that all threads of "Nordic Stream" and "Nordic Stream - 2" will forever remain unusable.
As Censor.NET reports, Tagesspiegel writes about this with reference to government sources and German security services.
The publication notes that if they are not repaired quickly, a large amount of salt water will enter the pipelines and corrode them.
As a reminder, on September 26, the operating company Nord Stream announced that the throughput in both strands of the Nord Stream gas pipeline dropped to zero due to a sharp drop in pressure. They explained it as a hole in the pipe and noted that they do not know how long it will take to restore the gas pipelines.
Read more: Scholz is ready to open Germany to Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370199
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 09:16 AM
Fact or fiction?
Ukraine will receive air defense system that even Bundeswehr does not have, - Ambassador Feldhusen
The IRIS-T air defense systems are produced specifically for Ukraine and are not in service with the German army.
According to Censor.NЕТ, German Ambassador to Ukraine Anka Feldhusen said this in an interview with "European Truth".
"The Bundeswehr doesn't have them. I don't know if this is the right answer, but we are inside NATO and the air defense is like around us. When I was in Poland, I saw all these Patriot and others, in Germany I never saw them," Feldhusen said.
She said the first system will probably be delivered as early as October, the second by the end of the year, and two more as early as next year.
"They're being produced now and I really hope the second one will be by the end of the year and the rest next year. It doesn't depend on political will, the decision is clearly made there. These are the newest systems, but the supply chain for production is complicated," the ambassador explained.
The IRIS-T SLM system has a range of 40 kilometers and an altitude of up to 20 kilometers. With the help of IRIS-T SLM, it is possible to shoot down combat aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles, jet artillery, drones, anti-radar missiles. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370027
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 09:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZVHDfo_Qk
Commander Wallace
09-28-22, 09:28 AM
^ Further, another anti aircraft system is being added to the Ukrainian inventory.
Quote : The Pentagon will deliver the first two advanced NASAMS anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine in the next two months, providing Kyiv with a weapon that it has pressed for since earlier this year.
Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder told Pentagon reporters on Tuesday that six more of the Norwegian-developed weapons will be delivered in the future, as much as a year or two from now. Recent reports that some of the U.S.-provided NASAMS were already in Ukraine were not correct.
The NASAMS will provide medium- to long-range defense against Russian missile attacks.
Their impending delivery comes as Russia tries to rebound from recent combat losses and politically solidify gains by holding referendums in four occupied regions in the south and east.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/advanced-anti-aircraft-weapons-head-211515529.html
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 09:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwoIj7QSmXI
Skybird
09-28-22, 10:25 AM
Fact or fiction?
Ukraine will receive air defense system that even Bundeswehr does not have, - Ambassador Feldhusen
The IRIS-T air defense systems are produced specifically for Ukraine and are not in service with the German army.
According to Censor.NЕТ, German Ambassador to Ukraine Anka Feldhusen said this in an interview with "European Truth".
"The Bundeswehr doesn't have them. I don't know if this is the right answer, but we are inside NATO and the air defense is like around us. When I was in Poland, I saw all these Patriot and others, in Germany I never saw them," Feldhusen said.
She said the first system will probably be delivered as early as October, the second by the end of the year, and two more as early as next year.
"They're being produced now and I really hope the second one will be by the end of the year and the rest next year. It doesn't depend on political will, the decision is clearly made there. These are the newest systems, but the supply chain for production is complicated," the ambassador explained.
The IRIS-T SLM system has a range of 40 kilometers and an altitude of up to 20 kilometers. With the help of IRIS-T SLM, it is possible to shoot down combat aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles, jet artillery, drones, anti-radar missiles. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370027
Truth.
The system is not yet produced for the Bundeswehr, but one such system was promised to the Ukraine some months ago - for delivery not before late Decembre.
Truth.
The system is not yet produced for the Bundeswehr, but one such system was promised to the Ukraine some months ago - for delivery not before late Decembre.
The word IRIS T. Made me remember this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS-T
Markus
All threads of "Nord Streams" may fail forever, - Tagesspiegel
The intelligence services of Germany fear that all threads of "Nordic Stream" and "Nordic Stream - 2" will forever remain unusable.
As Censor.NET reports, Tagesspiegel writes about this with reference to government sources and German security services.
The publication notes that if they are not repaired quickly, a large amount of salt water will enter the pipelines and corrode them.
As a reminder, on September 26, the operating company Nord Stream announced that the throughput in both strands of the Nord Stream gas pipeline dropped to zero due to a sharp drop in pressure. They explained it as a hole in the pipe and noted that they do not know how long it will take to restore the gas pipelines.
Read more: Scholz is ready to open Germany to Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370199Nord Stream 1 and 2 consist of two pipelines each. Three of them were hit, but one of Nord Stream 2's two pipelines is probably intact. The chance that all four pipelines would ever be used at the same time again was virtually nil before the explosion. Coming winter, Europe is likely to have enough gas even without Nord Stream, but unclear for the winter of 2023/2024. With the line remaining, Russia may try to renegotiate next year there is also the Yamal–Europe pipeline and Ukraine is full of pipelines Russia still thinking they can win this can then use these Nord Stream 1&2 are not needed to supply Europe with natural gas.
Skybird
09-28-22, 10:41 AM
The Times refers to British defence sources when saying that evidence is mounting that Russia planned for the destruction of Nordstream 1 and 2 several weeks ahead by dropping a drone and explosives into the sea already back then. Russia attacked the pipeline at a locaitoin where the pipelines is in especially deep water (for baltic conditions) and thus is much harder to be reached and repaired.
I have the feeling that any ideas of repairing it are illusory.
Dear war, welcome to the Baltic. Dear Germany, stop sticking your head into the sand.
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 10:45 AM
Truth.
The system is not yet produced for the Bundeswehr, but one such system was promised to the Ukraine some months ago - for delivery not before late Decembre.
Fair enough but I'll believe it when they arrive :)
The Times refers to British defence sources when saying that evidence is mounting that Russia planned for the destruction of Nordstream 1 and 2 several weeks ahead by dropping explosives into the sea already back then.
The Baltic is going to see a level of NATO member naval ships never seen before.
Moscow is in such a hurry with the mobilization declared last week that some called-up reservists without training are being sent straight to the front. Others are told to just bring their own supplies, such as medicine. Video footage circulating on independent Russian sites illustrates the chaotic course of the mobilization. At one assembly point, called-up reservists were told by an officer to arrange their own sleeping bags. 'You get a uniform and armor, nothing else,' the officer said. 'You have to bring your own stuff.' There also appears to be no medicine for diarrhea or pressure bandages (to stem bleeding) available. 'Just ask your wife or mother for pads and tampons,' is the advice. 'Do you know what to use a tampon for? Pushing it in when you have a gunshot wound, it swells up and stops the bleeding. I've known that since (the war in) Chechnya,' says the officer.
In another video, a called-up reservist says they have been told they will be sent to the front immediately. "No training, no shooting practice, no theory, nothing!" he observes with exasperation. A woman from Lipetsk told the news site Nastoyashche Vremya that her husband received a call at five in the morning last Thursday. At 7 a.m. he reported to the recruiting office, by 10:30 a.m. he was already on a bus to the border area, and on Sunday he was sent on to the front in the Donbas. The first brand-new reservists had reportedly already been taken prisoner of war by the Ukrainians. A Ukrainian site showed images of a 45-year-old man from Moscow sent to the front near Kupyansk, where he immediately fell into the hands of the Ukrainians.
The situation is reminiscent of the beginning of the war in Chechnya in the 1990s, when Moscow also sent barely trained soldiers to the front. Young Russian prisoners of war told that they had been in service for only a few weeks and had fired only a handful of bullets before being sent into the hell of Grozny. There, the first Russian troops, totally unprepared for urban warfare, were immediately pummeled. To prevent demoralized Russian reservists from heeding Ukrainian calls to lay down arms and surrender immediately, the Russian parliament last week introduced harsh penalties. Those who surrender without necessity could face 15 years in a penal camp. Refusal to serve is punishable by 10 years.
Still, military experts question whether Russia will succeed in filling the gaps left on the front lines by the heavy losses troops have suffered recently in Ukraine. 'You can't fight with flesh against iron,' says a Ukrainian military expert, who puts his faith in the Western weapons the Ukrainian army has received. According to independent Russian media, the Kremlin wants to call up more than 600 thousand troops over the next three months, on top of the first round of about 300 thousand reservists, but that seems unfeasible given the lack of equipment and widespread protests against mobilization.
Translated from https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/russische-reservisten-zonder-training-en-medicijnen-doorgestuurd-naar-het-front~bec1dcfc/
Aktungbby
09-28-22, 10:50 AM
THIS JUST IN: All American citizens are being urged to leave Russia ASAP by limited air or land routes and not to rely on ambassadorial assistance. In Vladivostok, a Japanese ambassador was blindfolded and interrogated for allegedly buying classufied information on the effects of the war on eastern provinces of Russia. He has been declared 'persona non grata' and given 48 hours to leave the country...WWIII is well underway no imho about it....:hmmm: I wonder when the 'Merican embassy will be closed-indicating WWIII is past "well under way.":shucks:
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 10:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7UX9TgWvZs
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 10:55 AM
Scholz held telephone conversation with Zelensky: Germany will never recognize "referendums" in occupied territories
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz had a conversation with President Volodymyr Zelensky.
As reported by Censor.NET with reference to Tagesschau, this was reported by the representative of the German government Stefan Gebestreit.
Scholz exchanged views with Zelensky on the military, political and economic situation in Ukraine, as well as on the possibilities of further support, including reconstruction.
The chancellor emphasized that Germany does not stop providing specific political, financial, and humanitarian support to Ukraine in the defense of its sovereignty and territorial integrity, including the supply of weapons.
Regarding the situation in the Russian-occupied Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia regions, the chancellor emphasized that Germany will never recognize the "results" of pseudo-referendums. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370237
Skybird
09-28-22, 11:03 AM
Fair enough but I'll believe it when they arrive :)
I think that is pretty much the same formulation, give and take some, that I used when I posted about it months ago. :03:
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 11:07 AM
European Commission presented eighth package of sanctions for Russia: restrictions on price of oil, expansion of list of persons subject to sanctions
The European Commission has published proposals for the eighth package of sanctions against Russia due to the escalation of the war in Ukraine - the list of persons subject to sanctions will be expanded, as well as trade restrictions, a price ceiling for Russian oil, and more.
"Russia has escalated its invasion of Ukraine to a new level. The pseudo-referendum organized in the territories occupied by Russia is an illegal attempt to seize land and change international borders by force. Putin's mobilization and threats to use nuclear weapons are a further step on the path of escalation. We do not accept the pseudo-referendum and annexation of any kind in Ukraine, and we are committed to making the Kremlin pay for this further escalation. Today, we are proposing a new package of biting sanctions against Russia. The first part concerns a list of individuals and companies," von der Leyen announced the basis for a new package of sanctions.
According to the President of the European Commission, the second part of the sanctions concerns trade restrictions. "We will isolate and hit the Russian economy even more. We propose a new ban on Russian goods, which will not allow them to enter the European market and will cause the loss of an additional 7 billion euros in revenue," she detailed.
In addition, the European Commission proposes to expand the list of goods that will no longer be able to be exported to Russia. "The goal is to prevent the Kremlin's military complex from accessing key technologies," von der Leyen continued. As an example, she said this includes "additional aviation items or electronic components and specific chemicals." "This new trade ban will further weaken Russia's economic base and weaken its ability to modernize," added the president of the European Commission.
In addition, the European Commission proposes an additional ban on the provision of European services to Russia and a ban on EU citizens holding positions in state-owned Russian companies. "Russia should not benefit from European knowledge and experience," she is convinced.
Von der Leyen also reported that the EC proposes "a legislative basis for the introduction of a price ceiling on Russian oil."
Skybird
09-28-22, 11:35 AM
Sanctions will not be what decides the war, the question of its continuation or stopping, the warmongering in the Kremlin. The neu forpm beginning on did not want to realise that it was in a war and that wars are fought with the weapons of war, and chaos. Instead it tries to "play as if", staying with the old rules and the apperance of everything beign calm and civilised.
Its as if you try to open the lock in a door with the wrong key. You know you have the wrong key, but you do not stop trying it. And the door stay slocked. Maybe later one will find the lock has been damaged and become unusable, but for the time being that does not matter.
As I see it the sanctions put at least as much damage on Europe like on Russia. Maybe even more. The West is higher developed and richer than Russia, and thus has more to loose, is more complex and due to that compexity: more fragile.
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 11:37 AM
^ Still, better to try and fail rather than not try at all.
Sanctions will not be what decides the war, the question of its continuation or stopping, the warmongering in the Kremlin. The neu forpm beginning on did not want to realise that it was in a war and that wars are fought with the weapons of war, and chaos. Instead it tries to "play as if", staying with the old rules and the apperance of everything beign calm and civilised.
Its as if you try to open the lock in a door with the wrong key. You know you have the wrong key, but you do not stop trying it. And the door stay slocked. Maybe later one will find the lock has been damaged and become unusable, but for the time being that does not matter.
As I see it the sanctions put at least as much damage on Europe like on Russia. Maybe even more. The West is higher developed and richer than Russia, and thus has more to loose, is more complex and due to that compexity: more fragile.Main problem for the USSR was production one of the reasons the USSR collapsed in the long run Russia will get more problems as we can see at the front they started this with the idea it would be a quick victory now they have various problems sanctions will hurt them will use more resources they can not produce. To win they need a totally other economy that takes years like it did in WW2 and in WW2 they could not do it without allied support that kinda support lacks now. The West has more cooperation and buffers is vastly bigger than an isolated economy like Russia.
Day 217 of my 3 day war. I invaded Ukraine and their men returned home to Ukraine to fight. When I asked Russian men to fight, they left Russia.
I remain a master strategist.
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1575067337363161088
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 12:08 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/x8zHN2Fk/Fdrh-A-CXo-AIXW7-J.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
:haha:
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 12:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khe86U2t-hs
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 12:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8q1QyW2Ei0
The United States has announced a new package of arms and supplies for Ukraine worth $1.1 billion for reinforcing Kyiv’s forces over the medium and long term. It includes 18 more Himars systems, highly accurate missile systems which the Ukrainians have been using effectively since June to hit Russian arms depots and command posts far behind the front lines, according to a Defense Department statement. The package “represents a multi-year investment in critical capabilities to build the enduring strength of Ukraine’s Armed Forces” as they continue to battle the invading Russian army, the Pentagon said.
Will Putin see it, "Russian action begets US reaction"
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 12:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp6nEeUnryM
Russia could interrupt its remaining gas deliveries to Europe via Ukraine, Russian-controlled energy giant Gazprom announced on Wednesday. Gazprom warned earlier this week that gas supplies via Ukraine were at risk due to a legal dispute with Ukraine's state-owned gas company Naftogaz over transit fees. After the alleged "sabotage" of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, Moscow is now threatening to impose sanctions on Naftogaz over the arbitration proceedings. https://euobserver.com/tickers/156167
Jimbuna
09-28-22, 01:26 PM
Been expecting that for a couple of days now...surprised it is taking this long to happen.
Catfish
09-28-22, 02:12 PM
Been expecting that for a couple of days now...surprised it is taking this long to happen.
My thoughts exactly.
Meduza: Kremlin to hold back on illegal annexation of Ukrainian territories.
According to independent Russian media outlet Meduza, the annexation will be postponed as it now won't have the desired "PR effect" on the Russian population that is dissatisfied with mobilization. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575197790401007616
Ppfffff... mobilization... his mobilization fled Russia +260k :D
Skybird
09-28-22, 03:10 PM
Nordstream 1 and 2 taken out.
Russia threatening to cancel deliveries of gas via Ukraine.
EU threatening to cap oil and gas prices now.
Russia havign said weeks ago already that ever ynation obeying a porice cpa will not get any deliveries of anything at all.
Like a puzzle solving. All the pieces fall into their according places.
Media in Germany today report that the heating has begun in Germany in recent days. And that in the last week the average gas consummation is higher than the average for this time of year last year.
Skybird
09-28-22, 03:28 PM
Some military analysts point at a small but realistic chance that this could lead to a cascade effect for the Russian front in the Donbass, letting it all collapse: Focus writes:
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In the eastern Ukrainian region of Donetsk, Russian troops are apparently threatened with encirclement by the Ukrainian army. Russian war reporters on Wednesday reported successful Ukrainian advances northeast and east of the small town of Lyman. Russian occupiers have been in the town since late May.
For several days already, the last communication routes from the town of 20,000 inhabitants to the Russian-controlled region have been within the reach of Ukrainian troops and their artillery. Most recently, the Ukrainians recaptured several villages and settlements outside the city.
Ukrainian soldiers fire a mortar in the recently recaptured town of Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region.
If the settlement of Torske is recaptured, the Russians threaten to cut off the roads connecting Lyman to Kreminna and Svatov in the Luhansk region. The roads are already under fire from Ukrainian artillery. Also near the city of Kupyansk in Kharkiv Oblast, at least one more town on the east side of the Oskil River, Kivshivka, has been retaken, according to Ukrainian sources. Ukrainian forces have already crossed the river in several places.
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kpv1974
09-28-22, 04:42 PM
Ukraine, in fact, lost 4 of its regions, which came under the jurisdiction of Russia. Nothing new for me. After all, in Kosovo - it was possible. Why would this be unacceptable here? The game can be in two gates ... Maybe Putin should show some kind of test tube, like Powell? But I do not think that he would have slipped to such a banality.
Commander Wallace
09-28-22, 05:31 PM
Ukraine, in fact, lost 4 of its regions, which came under the jurisdiction of Russia. Nothing new for me. After all, in Kosovo - it was possible. Why would this be unacceptable here? The game can be in two gates ... Maybe Putin should show some kind of test tube, like Powell? But I do not think that he would have slipped to such a banality.
A sham / bogus referendum by people held at gunpoint means little to the world and even less to Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainian forces are not stopping nor should they. You must think people don't have eyes and can't see. It's a desperation move by Putin to cover his impotence and incompetence.
To some of my Danish friends who is convince USA is behind this sabotage of these pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2.
I said
1. Who has the motive to do so ?
2. Who is going to win by this destruction ?
Markus
kpv1974
09-28-22, 05:46 PM
A sham / bogus referendum by people held at gunpoint means little to the world and even less to Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainian forces are not stopping nor should they. You must think people don't have eyes and can't see. It's a desperation move by Putin to cover his impotence and incompetence.
And in Kosovo - was there a "fake" referendum? Or was everything there as "Uncle serious SAM" from the USA said? By the way - Kosovo is Europe, and it is too far from the US border to be seriously worried about it.
les green01
09-28-22, 06:03 PM
To some of my Danish friends who is convince USA is behind this sabotage of these pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2.
I said
1. Who has the motive to do so ?
2. Who is going to win by this destruction ?
Markus
that the thing Markus i don't see what the us would gain in doing it too me seem like for whatever reason a lot eu people hates Americans for whatever reason maybe they seen some bad apples from the us but then every country has bad apples or they think it being cool most part Americans are decent people just like any other country
Commander Wallace
09-28-22, 06:17 PM
And in Kosovo - was there a "fake" referendum? Or was everything there as "Uncle serious SAM" from the USA said? By the way - Kosovo is Europe, and it is too far from the US border to be seriously worried about it.
The U.S is hardly worried. The Ukrainians aided by Western weapons are doing just fine. Meanwhile, your own countrymen from Russia wet their pants and run like the cowards they are from a fight with real men. Other Russians simply surrendered. Meanwhile, in Russia, Your men are running for the border of whatever host country will take them to avoid the mobilization orders in Russia. I can only assume Russian forces know only how to kill innocent women and children and torture them, meaning, the general civilian population. The Russian army acts more like a street gang than a disciplined professional fighting force. It's the Russian forces that should be afraid.
I truly don't mean to be rude but if you expect a sympathetic ear or a shoulder to cry on, on behalf of Soviet Russia, you came to the wrong place. And yes, the term Soviet Russia wasn't a typo. The only ones I feel bad for, aside from the Ukraine is the decent Russians who don't want to kill what they consider to be a neighbor, friend and family, meaning the Ukraine. Russians are despised the world over and Russian is a terrorist state and a pariah.
that the thing Markus i don't see what the us would gain in doing it too me seem like for whatever reason a lot eu people hates Americans for whatever reason maybe they seen some bad apples from the us but then every country has bad apples or they think it being cool most part Americans are decent people just like any other country
I like USA if I had the money I would take a cruise ship to New York and then rent an RV and drive USA thick and thin during a time period of 2-3 years.
I know there are good people in every country-Like there are bad apples in every country like you said.
Back to the discussion about these pipelines- I can't see it either what USA would benefit from it- The threat Biden used is what they call threat diplomacy and Both Russia and USA is using this a lot these days.
Markus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwoIj7QSmXI
The U.S is hardly worried. The Ukrainians aided by Western weapons are doing just fine. Meanwhile, your own countrymen from Russia wet their pants and run like the cowards they are from a fight with real men. Other Russians simply surrendered. Meanwhile, in Russia, Your men are running for the border of whatever host country will take them to avoid the mobilization orders in Russia. I can only assume Russian forces know only how to kill innocent women and children and torture them, meaning, the general civilian population. The Russian army acts more like a street gang than a disciplined professional fighting force. It's the Russian forces that should be afraid.
I truly don't mean to be rude but if you expect a sympathetic ear or a shoulder to cry on, on behalf of Soviet Russia, you came to the wrong place. And yes, the term Soviet Russia wasn't a typo. The only ones I feel bad for, aside from the Ukraine is the decent Russians who don't want to kill what they consider to be a neighbor, friend and family, meaning the Ukraine. Russians are despised the world over and Russian is a terrorist state and a pariah.
+1 :Kaleun_Applaud:
Skybird
09-29-22, 05:22 AM
Sweden says it deteced a fourth leak, as I understand it in the fourth pipeline that so far was considered to be undamaged. If true, all four Norstream 1+2 pipes are gone.
And I think they will not come back from the dead. Good so.
Now its quiz time. What actor in what role said in what movie something like this: "When Cortez landed in South America, he ordered his men to burn the ships on the beach. As a consequence from that loss his men were very well motivated."? :D
Sweden says it deteced a fourth leak, as I understand it in the fourth pipeline that so far was considered to be undamaged. If true, all four Norstream 1+2 pipes are gone.
And I think they will not come back from the dead. Good so.
Now its quiz time. What actor in what role said in what movie something like this: "When Cortez landed in South America, he ordered his men to burn the ships on the beach. As a consequence from that loss his men were very well motivated."? :D
Can't remember the title of this movie I do know that Vangelis wrote the main soundtrack to the movie(If I'm not wrong)
Markus
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 05:38 AM
Russia's Vladimir Putin will hold a signing ceremony on Friday formally annexing four more areas of Ukraine after self-styled referendums condemned by Ukraine and the West as a sham.
Russian-backed officials had earlier claimed the five-day exercise secured almost total popular support.
So-called votes were held in Luhansk and Donetsk in the east, and in Zaporizhzhia and Kherson in the south.
The Russian president will make a major speech at the Kremlin.
A stage has already been set up in Moscow's Red Square, with billboards proclaiming the four regions as part of Russia. There were echoes of Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, which also followed a discredited referendum and was heralded by a presidential victory speech from a stage.
However, no independent monitoring of the process took place and there were accounts of election officials going from door to door escorted by armed soldiers.
The US has said it will impose sanctions on Russia because of the referendums and EU member states are considering an eighth round of measures.
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said on Thursday that people in occupied regions of Ukraine had been taken from their homes and workplaces by threat and sometimes at gunpoint. "This is the opposite of free and fair elections. And this is the opposite of peace, it is a dictated peace," she said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63072113
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 05:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CXqJ-aZht4
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 05:49 AM
If Russia uses nuclear weapons, NATO can strike with missiles and aircraft - Polish Foreign Minister Rau
NATO can strike the Russian Federation with missiles and aircraft if it uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine, and "not necessarily from Ukrainian territory."
Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau said this in an interview with RMF FM, Censor.NET reports.
According to him, in the event of a possible Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine, the response of the NATO countries would probably be "reduced to the generally accepted response in Ukraine" and would be as presented by the national security adviser of the US president, Jake Sullivan.
He noted that under such a scenario, the introduction of NATO troops into the territory of Ukraine cannot be ruled out, but "this will not be a necessary procedure", as conventional weapons - aviation or missiles - can be used, and "not necessarily from Ukrainian territory".
Sullivan previously said the US had told the Kremlin directly, privately, at a very high level, that any use of nuclear weapons would have catastrophic consequences for Russia, that the United States and its allies would respond strongly.
Rau also noted that if Russia uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine, the North Atlantic Alliance should not retaliate with the same weapons of mass destruction, but NATO's response with "conventional" weapons "must be devastating" for the occupying country's army. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370403
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 05:52 AM
"Agreements" on "accession" of occupied Ukrainian territories to Russian Federation will be signed on September 30, - Peskov
The press secretary of the Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, Dmytro Peskov, announced the signing ceremony of "agreements on the accession" of the occupied Ukrainian territories to the Russian Federation.
This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the Russian mass media.
According to Peskov, the "ceremony" will take place on September 30 in the Georgiev Hall of the Kremlin Palace. It is scheduled to start at 03:00 p.m..
It is expected that the "accession" of the occupied parts of the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia regions will be announced.
Peskov added that during the "ceremony" there will be a "comprehensive speech" by Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin.
Earlier it became known that deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation received an invitation to an event in the Kremlin with the participation of Putin, which should take place on Friday, September 30, at 3:00 p.m.
Also, a stage was set up on Red Square in Moscow for a rally in honor of the "joining". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370401
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 05:54 AM
Consequences of use of nuclear weapons by Russian Federation "will be catastrophic, heavy, strong and deep", - State Department
If nuclear weapons are used, the consequences for Russia "will be catastrophic, heavy, strong and deep."
This was reported at the briefing by the spokesman of the US State Department, Ned Price, Censor.NET with reference to Liga.net.
According to him, during contingency planning due to the potential use of nuclear weapons by Russia against Ukraine, the US "spoke very clearly about the consequences for the Russian Federation" if this happens.
"We said the consequences for Russia would be catastrophic, severe, strong, and deep. All of that is true. We support all of that," Price said.
He noted that the Russians received public and private warnings that if nuclear weapons were used, "the consequences would be real and extraordinary." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370383
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 06:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUPNGmABvkU
What scares me more than the use of nuke itself is the way we are talking about them.
For me it seems like people are mention them like they were ordinary bombs and not to be feared.
Markus
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 06:30 AM
Only time will tell.
Exocet25fr
09-29-22, 09:11 AM
The same situation in 2015 :D
https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-found-near-nord-stream-pipeline
Skybird
09-29-22, 09:31 AM
The same situation in 2015 :D
https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-found-near-nord-stream-pipeline
The Bidens planned ahead, it seems.
:O:
The same situation in 2015 :D
https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-found-near-nord-stream-pipeline
The first thing that popped up in my head was-Who's drone was it ?
Markus
Skybird
09-29-22, 10:33 AM
Foreign Policy writes:
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Since Russia first launched its invasion of Ukraine, Moscow has been peeling military forces away from its bases in Northern Europe to plug gaps in its forces suffering high losses and battlefield setbacks against Ukrainian troops.
Of an original estimated 30,000 Russian troops that once faced the Baltic countries and southern Finland, as many as 80 percent of them have been diverted to Ukraine, according to three senior European defense officials in the region, leaving Russia with only a skeleton crew in what was once its densest concentration of military force facing NATO territory.
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Wake up, NATO! When - if not now...? :D :O:
Rockstar
09-29-22, 10:33 AM
Good point an airborne drone has a minimal explosive warhead and can not navigate underwater to its target. I’m betting it’s an underwater robot used to inspect and repair pipelines, they all have them.
Undersea sensors off the coast of northern Norway that are able to collect data about passing submarines, among other things, have been knocked out, the country’s state-operated Institute of Marine Research, or IMR, has revealed. The cause of the damage is unknown, but the cables linking the sensor nodes to control stations ashore are said to have been cut and then disappeared. This has raised suspicions about deliberate sabotage, possibly carried out by the Russian government, which definitely has the means to do so.
The IMR, one of the biggest marine research institutes in Europe, described “extensive damage” to the outer areas of the Lofoten-Vesterålen (LoVe) Ocean Observatory, putting the system offline. LoVe, which was only declared fully operational in August 2020, consists of a network of underwater cables and sensors located on the Norwegian Continental Shelf, an area of strategic interest for both Norway and Russia.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43094/norwegian-undersea-surveillance-network-had-its-cables-mysteriously-cut
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 01:34 PM
Foreign Policy writes:
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Since Russia first launched its invasion of Ukraine, Moscow has been peeling military forces away from its bases in Northern Europe to plug gaps in its forces suffering high losses and battlefield setbacks against Ukrainian troops.
Of an original estimated 30,000 Russian troops that once faced the Baltic countries and southern Finland, as many as 80 percent of them have been diverted to Ukraine, according to three senior European defense officials in the region, leaving Russia with only a skeleton crew in what was once its densest concentration of military force facing NATO territory.
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Wake up, NATO! When - if not now...? :D :O:
The Baltic countries should strike now whilst he going looks good.
j/k :)
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 01:40 PM
Russia mobilized almost all men in occupied territories of Donbas and Luhansk region - intelligence
The Russian Federation plans to extend the mobilization to the occupied territories of Kherson region and Zaporizhzhia.
This is stated by Censor.NЕТ with reference to the Main Directorate of Intelligence.
In the temporarily occupied territories of Luhansk and Donetsk regions, almost all men have been mobilized. According to Ukrainian intelligence, after the annexation of the occupied territories of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, they also plan to announce mobilization.
"We see that in the temporarily occupied territories of Luhansk and Donetsk regions almost the entire male population has been mobilized. According to our assessment, after Russia's annexation of the occupied territories of the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, mobilization will also be announced there,"Vadym Skibitskyy, a representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370502
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 01:42 PM
Bulgaria will not supply Ukraine with heavy weapons, - Minister of Defense Stoyanov
Bulgaria has no intention of supplying Ukraine with heavy weapons. This requires a separate decision of the country’s parliament.
This was stated by the Minister of Defense of the technical government of the country, Dimitar Stoyanov, Censor.NET reports with reference to BNT.
"Ukrainian ambassador Vitaly Moskalenko requested heavy weapons from us. My answer was clear: there is a decision of the parliament on the provision of military-technical assistance, but not on the provision of weapons. We cannot violate it," Stoyanov said.
According to him, Bulgaria will not be able to supply Ukraine with weapons until the position of the parliament changes. But the country does not abandon its obligations regarding the repair of Ukrainian military equipment. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370495
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 01:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMmzmB8uf_w
Jimbuna
09-29-22, 01:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWCMYq8mevs
Skybird
09-29-22, 05:52 PM
https://beta.dw.com/en/opinion-nord-stream-sabotage-is-likely-russian-blackmail/a-63282676
The internet is awash with conspiracy theories about what caused the Nord Stream leaks. But Moscow is the only one to benefit — at least indirectly.
The Kremlin has indignantly rejected allegations that Russia was behind the pipeline sabotage in the Baltic Sea. Just as Vladimir Putin also claims Russia did not initiate the war in Ukraine. (https://beta.dw.com/en/war-in-ukraine/t-60931789) Or that his country is not attacking civilian targets there.
Putin has also called the accusation that Moscow is weaponizing energy "a load of nonsense." Even before the attack on Ukraine, both Putin and his foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, dismissed any claims of such intent as malicious speculation. Now it seems, everyone in eastern Ukraine who took part in their sham referendums (https://beta.dw.com/en/russias-sham-referendums-in-ukraine-what-does-it-hope-to-achieve/a-63197104) is in favor of Russian annexation. The list of lies is endless.
Where is Russia's composure?
Even if the Russian government is now denying any responsibility for the "incidents" in the Baltic Sea, no one is likely to take it seriously. The current leadership has long forfeited any last vestige of credibility. What remains is the fear of losing power — the prospect of losing the war against Ukraine and being held accountable for its crimes. Fear that manifests itself in hysterical bluster and wild threats directed at the West. If Russia is so sure of victory against the civilized world, where is its composure?
Things are hardly going according to plan on the battlefield. On the contrary. Though small in comparison to Russia's might, a highly motivated army is currently routing Moscow's military apparatus. The entire world — including China — is watching.
Putin's actions have inflicted lasting damage on Russia's authority: If the Russian military is already outclassed by Ukrainian soldiers, how much more so by Chinese, Turkish, or any number of others? Putin's long-held ambition that Russia be perceived on a par with the United States, at least militarily, has vanished in a puff of smoke in eastern Ukraine.
Who benefits?
Since it will be weeks before we know more about what or who was behind the Nord Stream sabotage, all we can do at this point is speculate. Who benefits from this act? Certainly not Europe. Nor, for that matter, the US. After all, the Americans achieved their goal as soon as Putin attacked Ukraine. Thanks to Russia's aggression, the Nord Stream 2 pipeline (https://beta.dw.com/en/nord-stream/t-63277358) — once a trans-Atlantic bone of contention — was reduced to scrap metal languishing on the seabed.
Europe is now doing everything it can to reduce supplies of raw materials from Russia — to zero, if possible. Despite some initial difficulties, the countries of Europe will no doubt succeed. One thing is certain: Economically, they will pay a high price. They will see their prosperity diminish. But they will certainly recover.
Russia produces nothing marketable
By contrast, things could hardly be worse for Moscow. Selling raw materials is Russia's livelihood — especially to Europe via its pipelines. What are Russians supposed to live on if the West does not buy their oil, gas, gold, nickel and other raw materials — even if their prices are lower than on the global market? Russia produces nothing that it can sell abroad. Putin's government has spent 20 years proving that it is incapable of modernizing the domestic economy.
With this winter over, Russia's economic prospects will be bleak: Europe will buy LNG gas from the US, Norway, Qatar and others. Oil is plentiful in North Africa and many Arab states. Moscow's touted reorientation in the direction of Asian markets will take decades. It doesn't take a genius to see that this much-vaunted goal is little more than a pipedream.
https://static.dw.com/image/63281552_7.png
Blackmail, Russia's only way out
So what can Russia do? Try once again to blackmail the West! Russia was most likely responsible for the attacks on its own Gazprom pipelines. But the message to Europe is: Next time it could be those from Norway to Poland or from Africa to Italy — Moscow's submarines can strike anywhere!
Ultimately, the West must not and cannot allow itself to be blackmailed. NATO is not defenseless. Defending critical infrastructure is just one more reason to drastically increase the defense budgets of Western countries. If nothing else, it would allow their warships and submarines to maintain a stronger presence in the Baltic, the North Atlantic and the Black Sea.
Now Putin accuse USA for being behind the sabotage of these Pipelines in the Baltic sea.
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said the "unprecedented sabotage" against the Nord Stream gas pipelines was "an act of international terrorism," the Kremlin said in a statement.
https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-calls-sabotage-against-nord-stream-an-act-international-terrorism-kremlin-2022-09-29/
Markus
Rockstar
09-29-22, 07:24 PM
I think reducing NS1 and 2 to scrap metal did in the short and long term definitely benefitted those in Europe who appreciate freedom. Only detrimental short and long term effects were to the German Russian alliance, but who cares? I sure as hell don’t!
In 2016, leaders of the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia signed a letter to European Commission President Jean Claude Juncker expressing concern over the “potentially destabilising geopolitical consequences” of the pipeline’s construction. Since then, Poland has become particularly vocal over security concerns.
Beyond this, Ukrainian officials worry that the pipeline would mean less gas passing through its borders. Ukraine earns transit fees from gas passing through the country, and Nord Stream would decrease Russia’s reliance on pipelines there.
Ukraine has remained wary of Russian interests since the country invaded the Crimean region in 2014. Since then, Ukraine has carefully balanced its relationships with Russia and Europe, but Nord Stream could upset its strategic position. Officials have said that Nord Stream 2’s gas flows could decrease Ukraine’s pipeline income by up to $3bn. “It is still unclear to us whether Russia is ready to fulfil its obligations properly when it comes to the energy security of Ukraine and the preservation of Ukraine’s role as a transit state.”
In the eyes of the US Government, the pipeline would make several European nations more reliant on Russia. For political reasons, the US sees this increase in international power as unacceptable. As a result, it has made several attempts to slow or sanction construction progress.
Under President Trump, the US threatened to sanction any vessel it found to have assisted construction of the pipeline. After the US elections in late 2020, President Biden retained this policy, which maintains widespread support in the country.
NATO, “keep the Germans down, the Americans in and the Russians out” since 1949.
Ismay understood that a Europe caught between Germany and Russia would always need a powerful outside ally, one with resources and manpower well beyond those of Great Britain. Ismay, a favorite of Churchill’s and a military adviser to British governments, had a remarkable sense of history — namely that constants such as historical memory, geography, and national character always transcend the politics of the day.
In layman terms some things never change.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00795/schroeder-putin-200_795201c.jpg
Die Linke
https://en.die-linke.de/fileadmin/_processed_/7/4/csm_Bundesparteitag_der_Partei_DIE_LINKE__09.-11._Juni_2017_51_da71d81bce.jpg
Wonder why the German chancellor Olaf Scholz leader of the Social Democrat Party (SPD) is so goddamn washy washy in his response to Russian aggression? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/spd-divisions-on-russia-create-headache-for-german-chancellor-1.4780677
Wait for it….. : “ya but what about Trump?” :har::har:
Germans caused this debacle NATO will end it.
Rockstar
09-29-22, 09:32 PM
Now Putin accuse USA for being behind the sabotage of these Pipelines in the Baltic sea.
https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-calls-sabotage-against-nord-stream-an-act-international-terrorism-kremlin-2022-09-29/
Markus
I agree, but I agree not because I support Putin. I agree because fook Putin, his pipeline, and all of the German Putin lovin colluding sympathizers that wanted that pipeline
On a side note: I can’t wait for what the Finnish ditzy two timing whore has to say about this. Especially since she allowed the pipeline to pass through Finlands waters.
Jimbuna
09-30-22, 03:35 AM
Russia's Vladimir Putin is to hold a signing ceremony to annex four more areas of Ukraine - at 13:00 BST
He will make a major speech at the Kremlin, and a concert will be held in Moscow's Red Square in the evening.
The formal process - which will see these occupied areas incorporated into the Russian Federation - will happen over the next few days.
Meanwhile, the regional governor in Zaporizhzhia says at least 23 civilians have been killed in a Russian missile strike in the region, which is one those set to be annexed.
Russia does not fully control any of the four areas it has decided to annex, and Ukraine and the West have denounced the votes as illegitimate.
The exercise began across 15% of Ukraine last Friday with only a few days' notice.
Today's speech echoes Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, which also followed a discredited referendum.
Jimbuna
09-30-22, 03:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeYHr9RK8uE
Jimbuna
09-30-22, 03:40 AM
British Secretary of Defense Wallace secretly visited Kyiv and met with Reznikov
The ministers discussed military aid to Ukraine from Great Britain.
Wallace stated this in Twіtter, reports Censor.NЕТ.
"I am glad to have visited my good friend Oleksiy Reznikov in Kyiv this week to discuss more military aid and assistance to Ukraine," he wrote.
Wallace assured that British support for Ukraine in the fight against Russian aggression is growing and will continue "until 2023 and beyond!".
Neither the Ukrainian nor the British side reported on Wallace's visit. The details of his meeting with Reznikov are also unknown. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370580
Jimbuna
09-30-22, 03:41 AM
Total combat losses of the Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 59,080 people, 264 planes, 225 helicopters, 2,338 tanks, 1,391 artillery systems, 4,932 armored vehicles
The Russian invaders, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of September 30, the loss of enemy personnel is approximately 59,080.
This is stated by Censor.NЕТ with reference to рress center of AFU General Staff.
As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02 to 30.09 approximately amounted to:
personnel ‒ about 59080 (+500) persons were liquidated,
tanks ‒ 2338 (+13)
APV ‒ 4932(+23)
artillery systems – 1391 (+6)
MLRS – 333 (+2)
Anti-aircraft warfare systems ‒ 176 (+1)
aircraft – 264 (+2)
helicopters – 225 (+1)
UAV operational-tactical level – 1003 (+8),
cruise missiles ‒ 246 (+0),
warships / boats ‒ 15 (+0)
vehicles and fuel tanks – 3768 (+17)
special equipment ‒ 131 (+0).
"The enemy suffered the greatest losses in the Kramatorsk and Donetsk directions," the AFU General Staff reported. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370577
Commander Wallace
09-30-22, 04:54 AM
^ The number of lives lost is sure to go up as Russia is sending mostly untrained conscripts to the front lines in the Ukraine. :nope:
The term, Cannon Fodder springs to mind.
Skybird
09-30-22, 04:58 AM
This analysis by Gabor steingart for FOCUS describes very well what Putin is after, and why the destruytion of the piepülines is in his interest, and that Germany strill is not capbale of understanding the strtageic depth behind all this. Putins strategic goal always was the restauration of the Sovjet Union. For this he has to overocme this annpoying imperticnce named reiostance form Europe. And tio crush that resistance ability of Europe,. he has to crash its main economic drive: Germany.
I therefore wpoudl condpude that the qar against Ukraione and its annexation is only a tacical ambition. The stratgeic goal of his is war is: Germany. And he spent two decades on making Germany ripe for the attack.
German plicy-.maskers just lakc the aiblity of long-termed stratgeic thinkling, they always just work form day to day and focus on harvest shorttermed gains. We even have a word for this of ruining poltics: we call it"herummerkeln", yes, the word stems from the name "Merkel", and refers to the meaning of "bumbling about", "to hem and haw".
From FOCUS:
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Warlord Putin is not concerned with the Donbass, he is concerned with the restoration of Russian power while weakening Western Europe. And anyone who wants to weaken Western Europe must first pull the plug on the EU's economic powerhouse: Germany.
Everyone is always talking about the war in Ukraine. But this term is now tantamount to trivialization. Putin is waging a war against Western Europe, more precisely against Germany. He is waging this war, like many warlords before him, at high risk, with all military, economic and human resources and without a Plan B. He is, as they would say on Wall Street, fully invested: all in.
The goal of the war, which he has never formulated to the public in this way, is now obvious: it is not about the Donbass, it is about restoring Russian power while weakening Western Europe. And if you really want to weaken Western Europe, you don't start in Greece, Malta or Portugal, but first you have to pull the plug on the economic powerhouse of the European Union: the Federal Republic.
In accordance with this objective, Putin is by no means acting like a haredevil. The rationality of the apparent irrationality lies in the fact that the war against the Federal Republic is being waged on five clearly delineated fronts, so that the enemy of the war, i.e. us, suffers losses in every case.
Germany, that may play a role in this fixation, is the only Western country where Putin lived for years as a spy for the KGB and whose language he speaks. He likes to watch German television programming, as he reported in an interview shortly before the occupation of Crimea, preferring Maybrit Illner's talk show.
Front section number 1: In Ukraine, he is testing in a very fundamental way our readiness to go to war. He is disturbing the peace of mind of the country of Gustav Stresemann, Carl von Ossietzky, Willy Brandt and Petra Kelly. He challenges a state in which non-violence became the secret business basis of society after 1945, despite the Bundeswehr and the post-disarmament resolution.
In doing so, he also deprives us of the peace dividend we had so looked forward to after the implosion of the Soviet Union. With his 100-billion-euro rearmament program, Olaf Scholz is not the inventor of the "turn of the times. The turn of the times was triggered by the man in Moscow. Scholz is its notary.
Front section number 2: Putin is depriving us of the cheap energy that we have used for decades to fuel Germany's industrial export model. The fact that the Federal Republic has been able to maintain its high industrial base despite high wages and a developed welfare state is primarily thanks to a fossil energy base that seemed to be cheaply secured in the German-Russian energy partnership.
By withdrawing this basic industrial energy, Putin is making the economic conditions in Germany dance. Putin has pushed our country into a recession. The constant energy price hikes act like kick mines that will blow up many companies this winter.
Front section number 3: Where our national budget used to be, there is now a deep crater. Putin has bombed away the most important thing that distinguished this country from many of its neighbors, a sound financial constitution.
Through the shadow budgets that have emerged since the attack on Ukraine, the government is trying to hide from us the fact that we are in a huge debt mess. The fact that after spending 100 billion on rearmament, the coalition now has to spend another 200 billion to prop up the economy shows the magnitude of the damage done to us.
There is talk of a protective shield. Yet this 200-billion-euro credit authorization, which was released by the traffic light coalition yesterday, is basically nothing more than a war bond.
Front section number 4: Putin allies himself with our most important Asian trading partner, the People's Republic of China. Like a godfather, the new world power holds its protective hand over his bellicose activities and helps him to take the punch out of the Western sanctions regime.
At this front, at the latest, the Federal Republic is running out of economic firepower. Although we can see that China has immediately closed the supply chains and technology cycles severed by the West in the areas of gas, oil and international payments, we are incapable of reacting. The dependence of the automotive industry, chemical companies and mechanical and plant engineering on China is too great. Putin's Chinese reinsurer works.
Front section number 5: By weakening the Federal Republic, Putin is endangering the most important project of the postwar era, European unification. Solidarity within Europe is being enormously weakened because the Federal Republic, with a now ten percent inflation rate and significantly increased debt, has to go on self-protection in times of recession.
Many of our European friends consider the Federal Republic to be one big ATM machine. But this ATM is gradually running out of cash. The display says in red: Please choose a smaller amount and talk to your bank advisor.
Conclusion: Only if Putin's war is understood in its totality does Germany have a chance. A war chancellor is being sought. So far, only allotment gardeners have been sighted.
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Honestly said, I do not care that much who destroyed the pieplines, the US or the wannabe-neo-USSR. But that would hardly become the majority opinion over here. I now wish somebody would crash the German business relaitons to China. The germans sitll have not got it, it seems, and with entzhsuasm big Gemrna companies tzhrow themsleves into even deeper dependency for China.
He who does not want to learn, must suffer.
It will be a day in infamy for the Ukrainians
Markus
Skybird
09-30-22, 10:28 AM
Today's Russian propaganda show is not worth to even mention it with a single word.
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No proof of US sabotage of Nord Stream pipeline. Everbyody, stop believing in Russian drivel just because the lie's content damages much disliked Biden.
https://beta.dw.com/en/fact-check-us-helicopter-flight-no-proof-of-sabotage-of-nord-stream-pipeline/a-63295189
Today's Russian propaganda show is not worth to even mention it with a single word.
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No proof of US sabotage of Nord Stream pipeline. Everbyody, stop believing in Russian drivel just because the lie's content damages much disliked Biden.
https://beta.dw.com/en/fact-check-us-helicopter-flight-no-proof-of-sabotage-of-nord-stream-pipeline/a-63295189
Stop telling everybody what to do. You never had a problem believing Russian drivel just because the lies content damaged much disliked Trump.
If Russian grouping in Lyman manages to be completely destroyed at withdrawal, occupants will not have enough forces to organize defense of Kreminna and Svatove, - Butusov Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370645
The Russian occupiers are planning to withdraw the main forces from Lyman today. This was stated in Facebook by the Editor in Chief Censor.NЕТ Yurii Butusov. "Russian troops are fleeing from the Lyman area under strikes by the AFU, they have been dislodged from several key points. The enemy has put up roadblocks to cover them. Now the question is whether their units in the city will be able to escape even when they drop their heavy weapons. The enemy has no chance of holding the city, the dismissal will take place soon. Now they will try to save their combat-ready units that were holding the defense," explained the journalist.
According to Butusov the 20th Combined Arms Army of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was defeated, the enemy is trying to build a new defense line along the road R-66 from Svatove to Kreminna. Thus, the journalist continued, the Russian army was unable to hold the Lyman district of the Donetsk Region. Also, according to Butusov, Russian units are withdrawing their positions in Lyman.
"The enemy is preparing to break out of the city, they are not going to defend themselves in encirclement. After surrendering Drobyshevo to the north and Yampil to the south of Lyman, the Russians have no chance of holding on in the Lyman district. There is only one exit route - near the village of Torske.
This route is under the fire control of Ukrainian troops, but it is Torske that has not yet been liberated. If the grouping in Lyman manages to be completely destroyed in withdrawal, the Russians will not have enough forces to organize the defense of Kreminna and Svatove," said the Editor-in-Chief of Censor.NET.
Butusov added that the Russians are gathering all available transport and forming columns in Lyman to break through the villages of Zarechne and Torske. "The only way is under the fire control of the AFU, but obviously the Russians will try to break through, decisions have been made. The departure of the main forces, apparently, the enemy plans to do today," - summed up the journalist.
Attending a rock concert as my army retreats is my version of "fiddling while Rome burns" https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1575891119954616322
British Intelligence update:
Medical provision for Russian combat troops in Ukraine is probably growing worse. Some newly mobilised Russian reservists have been ordered to source their own combat first aid supplies, with the advice that female sanitary products are a cost-effective solution.
Medical training and first-aid awareness is likely poor. Some Russia troops have obtained their own modern, Western-style combat torniquets but have stowed them on their equipment using cable-ties, rather than with the Velcro provided - probably because such equipment is scarce and liable to be pilfered. This is almost certain to hamper or render impossible the timely application of torniquet care in the case of catastrophic bleeding on the battlefield.
Russian troops' lack of confidence in sufficient medical provision is almost certainly contributing to a declining state of morale and a lack of willingness to undertake offensive operations in many units in Ukraine
https://i.postimg.cc/XvNvTsxn/updateukraine300999.jpg
Jimbuna
09-30-22, 02:25 PM
^ The number of lives lost is sure to go up as Russia is sending mostly untrained conscripts to the front lines in the Ukraine. :nope:
The term, Cannon Fodder springs to mind.
Precisely :yep:
Lyman has become a kettle https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1575933472656572416
To be honest they don't stand a chance..At same time Putin made these four areas as part of Russia by annexation of them-Zelenskyj and two other person(don't know who they were)signed a request to join Nato.
They have the right to send these signed paper to Nato headquarter.
Let us be honest here.
They don't stand a chance to become a member. Not as it is now in the Ukraine.
Then I have a question:
How closer or further away are we from WWIII by these step Putin toke today ?
Markus
To be honest they don't stand a chance..At same time Putin made these four areas as part of Russia by annexation of them-Zelenskyj and two other person(don't know who they were)signed a request to join Nato.
They have the right to send these signed paper to Nato headquarter.
Let us be honest here.
They don't stand a chance to become a member. Not as it is now in the Ukraine.
Then I have a question:
How closer or further away are we from WWIII by these step Putin toke today ?
MarkusUkraine get more support than the Russian yearly military budget no need to join NATO they get full support accord article 5 basically we are at war with Russia western material and training is making Vladimir Putin the first dictator in history to annex lands while his army is in the process of retreating.
Putin signs decree on routine autumn conscription.
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on Sept. 30 authorizing routine autumn conscription for men aged 18 to 27, calling 120,000 people for military service, according to Russian state-controlled media TASS. Russia’s Defense Ministry reportedly claims that the decision is “not in any way related” to Russia’s full-scale war against Ukraine. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575954450300010496
^ This is the reason of the annexation
Lyman has become a kettle https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/15759334726565724165.5 thousand Russians were surrounded in Lyman, - said Arestovych. https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1575931937092292608
Skybird
09-30-22, 04:45 PM
Do not praise the day before the evening.
This war can still last long, and turn very ugly. And Winter is coming to Western Europe. It may drive out the present pro-Ukraine mood. The legions of "Russland-Versteher" already are marching and whisper of the need to negotiate with Putin and make him offers. This is also, I am convinced of this, in the backmind of Bubble Olaf. For the Ukraine, there is a real danger.
Do not praise the day before the evening.
This war can still last long, and turn very ugly. And Winter is coming to Western Europe. It may drive out the present pro-Ukraine mood. The legions of "Russland-Versteher" already are marching and whisper of the need to negotiate with Putin and make him offers. This is also, I am convinced of this, in the backmind of Bubble Olaf. For the Ukraine, there is a real danger.The US will announce new imitated package for next week Ukraine will get its winter material by the West Zelensky just said he is willing to talk only if there is another Russian leader. The legions of "Russland-Versteher" or Germany can whisper what they want, they only toilet paper tigers so irrelevant and have no say at the table.
les green01
09-30-22, 05:16 PM
Do not praise the day before the evening.
This war can still last long, and turn very ugly. And Winter is coming to Western Europe. It may drive out the present pro-Ukraine mood. The legions of "Russland-Versteher" already are marching and whisper of the need to negotiate with Putin and make him offers. This is also, I am convinced of this, in the backmind of Bubble Olaf. For the Ukraine, there is a real danger.
i'm sure it is but personally i would let Ukraine finish the fight and make no offers as long has a ruskie is in their countryi'm sure putin will go right back at them so why give them time to rebuild Afterall you don't kill a rattlesnake by chopping off the tail you do it by chopping the head off
i'm sure it is but personally i would let Ukraine finish the fight and make no offers as long has a ruskie is in their countryi'm sure putin will go right back at them so why give them time to rebuild Afterall you don't kill a rattlesnake by chopping off the tail you do it by chopping the head offIf the ‘professional’ Russian military that has been trained and re-equipped over the last decade can’t prevail in Ukraine, it is extraordinarily unlikely that a mass of conscripts with just weeks of training will provide a solution to Putin’s territory aspirations. We only need to supply Ukraine, Russia is man enough to shoot itself :D there is little else that Putin can do to Ukraine he has not already done. City destruction, rape, torture, murder, annexation and nuclear threats have not cowed the Ukrainians. Putin’s recent announcements mean that Ukraine winning this war will take longer, and have a much higher price for Ukraine and Russia.
No more red lines when it comes to deliver type of weapon to Ukraine, as I understand it.
- U.S. military aid is limited - for example, in terms of range. Does it have anything to do with fears about the nukes?
- I do not see it is connected. Although whether the weaponry aid will lead to escalation is being discussed. But I don't see any hard red lines on the weapons we're asking for.
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/interview/2022/09/30/7147819/
Markus
No more red lines when it comes to deliver type of weapon to Ukraine, as I understand it.
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/interview/2022/09/30/7147819/
MarkusIf Russia’s nuclear arsenal is in the same state as its regular military, then there’s every chance they’ll just blow up on launch.
I've got an idea and it isn't exactly a new one-Russia have used this before.
Heard in a yt clip the reason why Ukraine seek membership in Nato is they want protection.
This is also understandable.
When I heard this I came up with this idea and I remembered Russia has used it too.
Nato has said no boots on the ground-Why not send them anyway-but unofficially-Without their country emblem.
Should some of them be caught-They are there as volunteers to fight the Russian among their Ukrainian friends.
Russia used this tactic in East Ukraine-Luhansk and Donbas area from 2015 and up.
Markus
Skybird
10-01-22, 01:21 AM
i'm sure it is but personally i would let Ukraine finish the fight and make no offers as long has a ruskie is in their countryi'm sure putin will go right back at them so why give them time to rebuild Afterall you don't kill a rattlesnake by chopping off the tail you do it by chopping the head off
So think I, but many people over here are incredibly concerned about Russia loosing "too harshly" this war. Also, many want to continue business with Russia after this is over. We still buy Russian oil via India - at higher costs. Gas is not sanctioned at all.
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:36 AM
President Joe Biden has warned Russia that the United States will not be intimidated by reckless threats after Vladimir Putin declared the annexation of four occupied regions of Ukraine.
On Friday, President Putin appeared to make a veiled threat to use nuclear weapons to defend those regions.
He said they would "forever" be Russian - but Ukraine vowed to liberate them.
Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said the Russian move was "the most serious escalation since the start of the war".
In a speech in Moscow, the Russian leader claimed citizens in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions, as well as in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in the south had voted to be "with their people, their motherland".
He was referring to so-called referendums held in the regions in recent days, but Ukraine and Western governments have condemned the votes as a sham.
Much of Mr Putin's speech was used to rail at the West.
He said the US had created a "precedent" by using nuclear weapons against Japan at the end of World War Two, in an apparent threat.
Mr Putin last week said his country had "various weapons of destruction" and would "use all the means available to us", adding: "I'm not bluffing."
The Kremlin has made clear that any attack on the regions claimed by Russia would be seen as an attack on Russian soil, signalling an escalation in the war.
Russia does not fully control any of the four regions, and in his speech Mr Putin did not clear define the borders.
President Biden called out his Russian counterpart's "reckless words and threats", but added that Mr Putin was "not going to scare us".
"America and its allies are not going to be intimidated," President Biden said at the White House.
He then addressed the Russian president directly, pointing his finger into the camera.
"America's fully prepared, with our Nato allies, to defend every single inch of Nato territory," he said, in reference to the Western security bloc.
"Mr Putin, don't misunderstand what I'm saying: every inch."
Shortly after, Mr Biden's top national security official said while there was a chance of Moscow resorting to nuclear weapons, there did not appear to be an imminent threat.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63098651
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3vdNJ8oio
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZ9H0BzEPY
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:49 AM
Total combat losses of Russia since beginning of war - about 59,610 people, 264 planes, 226 helicopters, 2,354 tanks, 1,397 artillery systems, 4,949 armored vehicles
The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of October 1, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 59,610.
As reported by Censor.NET, this was reported by the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02 to 01.10 are approximately:
personnel - about 59,610 (+530) people were liquidated
tanks ‒ 2354 (+16) units,
armored fighting vehicles ‒ 4949 (+17) units,
artillery systems - 1397 (+6) units,
MLRS – 336 (+3) units,
air defense equipment ‒ 176 (+0) units,
aircraft – 264 (+0) units,
helicopters – 226 (+1) units,
UAVs of the operational-tactical level - 1009 (+6),
cruise missiles ‒ 246 (+0),
ships/boats ‒ 15 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks – 3786 (+18) units,
special equipment ‒ 131 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370821
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:51 AM
More than 5,000 Russian soldiers ended up in "Lyman Cauldron", - Haidai
The AFU blocked almost all the ways of leaving and transporting ammunition to Russians.
Serhii Haidai, the head of the Luhansk RMA, writes about this on Telegram, Censor.NET reports.
"The Russian military, based in Lyman, appealed to their leadership with a request to leave but were refused. They are surrounded by more than 5,000 Russian militaries," he wrote.
Haidai noted that they have no way to leave or get ammunition.
"They will try to break through or surrender," the head of the RMA assumes.
As reported, in the Donetsk region, Ukrainian troops have been encircling the city of Lyman, which was captured by Russia in May, and is located east of the Siversky Donets river. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370832
Skybird
10-01-22, 07:38 AM
Rumours turn into reports that the Russians decided to give up Lyman. The attempted withdrawing should have already started. I think they can withdraw only under fire - and whether the attempt translates into a success is open.
The Ukrainians will press the best way they can to take the Russians all prisoners or kill them so that any way they cannot be used on other parts of the front. Plenty of equiment to be gained also.
Several military analysts say if Lyman falls, the whole Russian front in that region sooner or later will collapse.
The rain season is about to begin, making Ukrainian access to tracked vehicles even more important. Send tanks and tracked IFVs NOW! Wheeled technicals and pickups and rovers will get bogged down in the mud. Both rain and availability of tracked transport will decide on whether and for how long the Ukrainian offensive can be pressed on.
I think after yesterday we - Western nations, including of course the US and Germany - should also remove all limits from weapon deliveries, regarding range, type, callibre and so forth. Also, the Ukraine should immediately get the weapons needed to reach and strike the Kerch bridge NOW. The US probably even already mulls this. Germany however will stand with both feet on the brake and just days ago it was reported again that the Spanish plan to deliver German-made tanks, was once again vetoed by Bubble Olaf.
The Russians fight on the best way they can: another massacre on fleeing civilians is reported. Russians really excel in massacring civilians, its their military key competence.
Poland has signed a very extensive defnce contract for tanks, fighterplanes, weaponry, and more. Not one item with Germany, all from South Korea instead. And this while Rheinmetall had just introduced its completely new KF-51 Panter MBT - the Leopard-2-killer, so to speak - a few weeks ago! I could imagine that others will boycott Germany as well in the future.
I've got an idea and it isn't exactly a new one-Russia have used this before.
Heard in a yt clip the reason why Ukraine seek membership in Nato is they want protection.
This is also understandable.
When I heard this I came up with this idea and I remembered Russia has used it too.
Nato has said no boots on the ground-Why not send them anyway-but unofficially-Without their country emblem.
Should some of them be caught-They are there as volunteers to fight the Russian among their Ukrainian friends.
Russia used this tactic in East Ukraine-Luhansk and Donbas area from 2015 and up.
MarkusZelensky about applying for NATO membership:
"We are de facto allies already," he said. "De facto, we have already proven compatibility with Alliance standards." "Ukraine is applying to confirm it de jure," Zelensky said, "by an expedited procedure." https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575851538886852609
Think this is true, Ukraine already has the military budget received in 9 months that Russia spent in a year. NATO member states assist Ukraine to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. The whole NATO not NATO is politics, politicians are afraid by nature for their own job.
Russian source on situation of Ukrainian advances "Now the front is moving closer to Kremennaya, the enemy is entering the highway to Svatovo and is trying to capture Kremennaya." https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575851538886852609
This is bigger than only Lyman could see another collapse of the front like in Kharkiv oblast 3 weeks ago.
Russia says its troops quit key eastern town Lyman: Russia's defence ministry says it has withdrawn Russian troops from the strategic town of Lyman in eastern Ukraine. "Because of the threat of encirclement, the allied troops have been withdrawn from Krasnyi Lyman to better positions," it says, quoted by Russian state news agencies. Krasnyi (Red) Lyman was the old Soviet name for Lyman, which Ukrainian forces say they have entered. Russia calls its troops "allied" with local Moscow-backed fighters. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-63100522?pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:7731b88b-5e30-4aa3-aa04-1b8ccaf10652&pinned_post_asset_id=633847ec194f716822a3735c&pinned_post_type=share
Ramzan Kadyrov blamed Colonel General Oleksandr Lapin, who commanded the defense of this section of the front, for the loss of Lyman. The head of Chechnya claims that the colonel-general "posted mobilized fighters from the "LPR" and other units at all the frontiers of the Lyman direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communication, interaction and transportation of ammunition." Kadyrov also accused Lapin of moving his headquarters to Starobilsk, "a hundred kilometers from his subordinates" - and of the fact that the military leader himself was "sitting in Luhansk." https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1576213027862761472
Kadirov complaining from the safety of his bunker :)
Skybird
10-01-22, 09:48 AM
Ukraine would be a heavyweight if joining NATO, or the EU, for that matter. Big population. Big size. Both matter especially within powerstructures of the EU. In NATO, it would be the most war-experienced military of all. Even the US military has not seen this ammount of most intense combat.
Some nations will not be happy to have this huge player in the team. It would come at the cvost of their opwn influenc ein the alliance. France. Germany. Italy. Turkey.
And then there is Bulgaria, Hungary.
At the beginning of the war I was against NATO membership. Since yesterday at the latest, I am for it, for various reasons, not all having to do with the Ukraine'S interests directly, but more with Russia, and hesitent actors inside NATO.
Commander Wallace
10-01-22, 09:54 AM
^ I think you may be looking at things the wrong way, Sky. If you have a " player " on your team with recent combat experience and understands the Russian Military as they do, they would be a huge asset and one other NATO members could learn from. It's not a competition.
You also forget that the U.S military has it's own recent combat experience although it's impossible to argue with the skill and determination that the Ukrainian forces have shown. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
les green01
10-01-22, 09:58 AM
Rumours turn into reports that the Russians decided to give up Lyman. The attempted withdrawing should have already started. I think they can withdraw only under fire - and whether the attempt translates into a success is open.
The Ukrainians will press the best way they can to take the Russians all prisoners or kill them so that any way they cannot be used on other parts of the front. Plenty of equiment to be gained also.
Several military analysts say if Lyman falls, the whole Russian front in that region sooner or later will collapse.
The rain season is about to begin, making Ukrainian access to tracked vehicles even more important. Send tanks and tracked IFVs NOW! Wheeled technicals and pickups and rovers will get bogged down in the mud. Both rain and availability of tracked transport will decide on whether and for how long the Ukrainian offensive can be pressed on.
I think after yesterday we - Western nations, including of course the US and Germany - should also remove all limits from weapon deliveries, regarding range, type, callibre and so forth. Also, the Ukraine should immediately get the weapons needed to reach and strike the Kerch bridge NOW. The US probably even already mulls this. Germany however will stand with both feet on the brake and just days ago it was reported again that the Spanish plan to deliver German-made tanks, was once again vetoed by Bubble Olaf.
The Russians fight on the best way they can: another massacre on fleeing civilians is reported. Russians really excel in massacring civilians, its their military key competence.
Poland has signed a very extensive defnce contract for tanks, fighterplanes, weaponry, and more. Not one item with Germany, all from South Korea instead. And this while Rheinmetall had just introduced its completely new KF-51 Panter MBT - the Leopard-2-killer, so to speak - a few weeks ago! I could imagine that others will boycott Germany as well in the future.
i read somewhere that the US might be sending some old m1s over there the Marines just retired a bunch
Seven months into the invasion, Russia controls less land than it did in the initial days of the war. See how the advances stalled. The Ukrainian military’s sudden and successful counter-attack in the Kharkiv region this month has left Russian forces controlling less Ukrainian land than they did after their first thrust into the country in February, 2022, according to a CNN analysis of exclusive data from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW).
Russia’s first massive push, which began on the night of February 23, allowed it to secure or advance on one fifth of Ukrainian territory, or about 119,000 square kilometers (46,000 square miles) of the total 603,500 square kilometers Ukraine claims and considers “temporarily occupied,” the analysis shows.
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/09/europe/russia-territory-control-ukraine-shift-dg/
i read somewhere that the US might be sending some old m1s over there the Marines just retired a bunchSome in the Pentagon said tanks are discussed so on the table to be sent to Ukraine weeks ago.
Skybird
10-01-22, 10:15 AM
^ I think you may be looking at things the wrong way, Sky. If you have a " player " on your team with recent combat experience and understands the Russian Military as they do, they would be a huge asset and one other NATO members could learn from. It's not a competition.
You also forget that the U.S military has it's own recent combat experience although it's impossible to argue with the skill and determination that the Ukrainian forces have shown. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
You misunderstand me. I agree with you there. But nations are not altruistic, they are egoistic. So are governments. The actors I mentioned may not like to loose own influence. Right because the Ukraine militarily would be a heavyweight. You and me say thats an asset, and yes, the yhave proven themselves. But you and me are no government polticians of nations.
German foreign minister Baerbock for example already has already commented in a suspiciously muted manner. Germany is the obvious suspect against Ukraine membership. France also is. Turkey.
You see, Finland and Sweden also would be net contributors to the alliance strength. But not to such a "threatening" :) ammount as war-experienced Ukraine would be.
And then ther eis article 5. Some NATO members do nto want to get pulled into the war by that.
Finally, NATO statutes are clear. candidate can only be who has no unsolved border issues with any of his neighbours.
It will not happen like Selensky wants it. I can understand him, but it will not happen. Not before an end of at least this current round of the war has come. Europeans will not sign an agreement that could bring them straight into a nuclear war, in their perception.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj_wd7Lg4v0
Markus
Russians are trying to withdraw from Lyman but the Ukrainians have cut them off forcing them to run a gauntlet. Might be their "Highway of Death".
Russians are trying to withdraw from Lyman but the Ukrainians have cut them off forcing them to run a gauntlet. Might be their "Highway of Death".https://i.postimg.cc/7hStqtWt/crybabay.jpg
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:14 PM
Russia has withdrawn its troops from the strategic Ukrainian town of Lyman, in a move seen as a significant setback for its campaign in the east.
The retreat came amid fears thousands of soldiers would be encircled in the town, Russia's defence ministry said.
Recapturing Lyman is of strategic significance for Ukraine.
The town had been used as a logistics hub by Russia, and could give Ukrainian troops access to more territory in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
Video footage shared online showed Ukrainian soldiers waving their national flag on the outskirts of the town.
Although the blue and yellow colours were flying in Lyman again, fighting was "still going on" there, President Volodymyr Zelensky said in his evening video address.
However, he gave no further details.
The battlefield setback prompted the Chechen leader and hardline Moscow ally, Ramzan Kadyrov, to comment that Russia should consider using low-yield nuclear weapons in the face of such defeats.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63102220
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNZQwMEOMkA
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:17 PM
Almost all Russian troops deployed in Lyman have been successfully redeployed to either body bags or Ukrainian captivity - Ministry of Defense
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine commented on the situation in the city of Lyman, Donetsk region.
According to Censor.NЕТ, it was reported on the official Twitter of the Ministry of Defense.
The message noted: "Thanks to Russia's 'Ministry of Defense' for their successful cooperation in organizing the Izium 2.0 exercise. Almost all of the Russian troops stationed in Lyman were successfully redeployed either to body bags or Ukrainian captivity. We have one question for you: do you want a repeat?" Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370910
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:18 PM
Skeptical states should reconsider their position on Ukraine’s membership in NATO - Kuleba
Given the radical change in the situation, Ukraine is counting on a positive change in the position of NATO members, previously skeptical about our country’s accession to the Alliance, because it is in Ukraine that the future of the Euro-Atlantic space is now decided.
This was stated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Dmytro Kuleba in the air on the air of the national telethon, reports Censor.NЕТ.
"The future of the Euro-Atlantic space is decided in Ukraine. Euro-Atlantic security is impossible without the victory of Ukraine," the Minister said.
The minister is convinced that Ukraine's accession to NATO changes the logic and dynamics of the process of Euro-Atlantic integration of our state.
"The situation has fundamentally changed. And even states that are still skeptical about Ukraine's membership in NATO should reconsider their position under these new circumstances," he stressed.
Dmytro Kuleba recalled that when Ukraine had previously applied for membership in the European Union, the reaction of some capitals, traditionally skeptical on this issue, was also extremely restrained.
"But in the end, that application changed the dynamics and logic of the political process, and we got candidate status for EU membership. The current application also changes the logic and dynamics of the process," he said.
The minister noted that Ukraine today is a state that, despite the war, continues to implement reforms, and a state that sacrifices its best sons and daughters in defense of democracy.
He noted that now the ball is in NATO's court, and if the Alliance decides to define a list of steps that Ukraine needs to complete in order to successfully complete the integration process, our country is ready to implement them. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370907
Jimbuna
10-01-22, 02:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-laKzD8so
Didn't Putin use his best soldiers/specialist to take Kyiv in the beginning of the war and wasn't it not the entire Ukraine who was Putins goal from start ?
I can have remembered wrong-'cause a friends friend have told me this was never Putins goal.
On by the way-Do not fear nuke-They will not be used-How I know ?
I know how old I get- I have around 30 years left to live.
Well Putin could still throw one or two tactical nukes in Ukraine-But Nato will not retaliate.
Markus
Didn't Putin use his best soldiers/specialist to take Kyiv in the beginning of the war and wasn't it not the entire Ukraine who was Putins goal from start ?
I can have remembered wrong-'cause a friends friend have told me this was never Putins goal.
On by the way-Do not fear nuke-They will not be used-How I know ?
I know how old I get- I have around 30 years left to live.
Well Putin could still throw one or two tactical nukes in Ukraine-But Nato will not retaliate.
MarkusIn the beginning, it was the regular army that failed in taking Kiev. Kiev was the goal to change the government to install a Russian friendly puppet government that was the main objective if that plan worked they did not need to take the whole of Ukraine as the plan is now. Tactical nuclear weapons are intended more as an ultimate emergency in a defensive scenario, when all is lost. Unlike the all-destructive strategic nuclear missile weapons, tactical nuclear weapons are intended for military targets. You are not trying to destroy a country, but to turn the military operation, but regardless of the colossal geopolitical consequences, the means is difficult to deploy militarily effectively, especially offensively. The attacking party must be careful not to hit its own forces, either directly or indirectly through fallout. Moreover, the affected area must be considered lost because of the radioactive radiation. It is intended more as an ultimate contingency in a defensive scenario, when all is lost.
Putin blustered about 'increased nuclear state readiness' all threats of nuclear weapons have been purely verbal. Russia has never really put its nuclear units on high alert. U.S. intelligence agencies used satellite imagery and other means to disprove that claim made by Putin in late February. With the deployment of nuclear weapons, the Kremlin will be completely isolated internationally and will also lose the tacit support of major allies such as India and China. Furthermore, the US and EU warned of "catastrophic consequences" for Russia if Putin pushes the button.
Russia could signal its nuclear strike capability. For example, by an air burst; a launched missile detonated very high up. Both the explosion and the fallout will be relatively limited, hoping to bring Zelensky to his knees.
Lyman voted for liberation from Russian occupation. Referendum was held under control of independent observers: HIMARS, howitzers, tanks and others. https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1576176675993571328
Commander Wallace
10-01-22, 04:10 PM
You misunderstand me. I agree with you there. But nations are not altruistic, they are egoistic. So are governments. The actors I mentioned may not like to loose own influence. Right because the Ukraine militarily would be a heavyweight. You and me say thats an asset, and yes, the yhave proven themselves. But you and me are no government polticians of nations.
German foreign minister Baerbock for example already has already commented in a suspiciously muted manner. Germany is the obvious suspect against Ukraine membership. France also is. Turkey.
You see, Finland and Sweden also would be net contributors to the alliance strength. But not to such a "threatening" :) ammount as war-experienced Ukraine would be.
And then ther eis article 5. Some NATO members do nto want to get pulled into the war by that.
Finally, NATO statutes are clear. candidate can only be who has no unsolved border issues with any of his neighbours.
It will not happen like Selensky wants it. I can understand him, but it will not happen. Not before an end of at least this current round of the war has come. Europeans will not sign an agreement that could bring them straight into a nuclear war, in their perception.
Ok. I get what you are saying and I agree. Thanks for the clarification. :up:
To be clear, both Sweden and Finland bring a lot to the party. And, I'm not just talking the " beer and chips. " :haha:
:har:
Stop comparing me to Hitler. He kept things he annexed for several years. I can barely manage several hours.
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1576307188091744256
Markus
Commander Wallace
10-01-22, 04:55 PM
:har:
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1576307188091744256
Markus
Stop comparing me to Hitler. He kept things he annexed for several years. I can barely manage several hours.
That was funny. :haha:
With the liberation of Lyman, military reporter Rybar suggests an informational coup is happening in the Russian media space, which now comes from above rather than below, with Prigozhyn and Kadyrov expressing discontent about leadership. Dangerous words. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576261226044084224
https://i.postimg.cc/P58C5qvP/Fe-AA9-Mq-XEAEGWXs.pnghttps://i.postimg.cc/TwQw4LFH/Fe-AA9ic-XEAAZx-IQ.jpg
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 07:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAZ7iXSfK8M
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 07:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ous3Oyxl-Jk
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 08:01 AM
US is ready to allocate $1.5 billion to Ukraine every month until end of war, - Bloomberg
The USA is ready to financially support Ukraine and is pushing its European allies to allocate similar amounts.
This is reported by Bloomberg, Censor.NET informs.
"The US is ready to support Ukraine's financial system by providing $1.5 billion a month in aid throughout the war against Russia. Earlier, the White House held a series of talks on this topic, including in recent days with EU representatives, and called on the European Union to do more to support of Ukraine," the newspaper reports.
Sources told Bloomberg that the allies are discussing a more regular mechanism to help keep Ukraine's economy afloat as the war drags on. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370991
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 10:03 AM
Fifth vessel chartered by UN entered Chornomorsk for loading, another 5 vessels with agricultural products left ports of Ukraine. PHOTOS
Today, October 2, the ship NEW ISLAND arrived at the port of Chornomorsk for loading. This is already the fifth vessel chartered by the UN World Food Program.
This was announced on Facebook by the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine, Censor.NET reports.
As noted, after loading wheat, the ship will go to Somalia.
Also today, within the framework of the implementation of the "grain initiative", 5 ships left the ports of "Odesa", "Chornomorsk", and "Pivdenny". They have 114.7 thousand tons of agricultural products on board for African and European countries.
Among them, the bulk carrier ARGO 1, which transports 31 thousand tons of corn to Egypt, and the bulk carrier DOGA K with 10 thousand tons of wheat for Tunisia.
Since the departure of the first ship with Ukrainian food, 5.8 million tons of agricultural products have been exported. In total, 257 ships left Ukrainian ports with food, which was sent to the countries of Asia, Europe, and Africa. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3370970
Skybird
10-02-22, 10:04 AM
This is of course right, point taken.
Thanks Commander Wallace, i was offline right after my post, you essentially made clear what i ran away from :)
I ran over this Mr. Peterson several times, and while he is good and routinely professional in speaking about all what he calls truth and honesty, it is often rhetorical rubbish. I especially clashed with his imho confused ideas about climate science. He also is no military man, but there a lot of non-military persons who have a better grasp on the situation.
re Gorpet, it is not me that has a "hate" against russians, it is about this invasion, with some of the russian soldiers obviously being poor devils. (though my sympathy is held in check, especially when i hear and read of russian voices supporting the aggressor).
I always was for Russia, for trading, making connections, criticizing the US for their policies after 1989 towards Russia if you read my older postings.
It was a bit hard but this invasion and what becomes known of Putin's cleptocracy and his openly imperial and fascist ideas changed my mind.
We have privately brought some stuff to help Ukraine via Poland to Lwiw, though not ammo or weapons, yet.
I also think chancellor bubble-Olaf Scholz has to go, he was a great admirer of Russia and the GDR in his youth, and he obviously has a lot of friendship left for Russia and Putin's régime, though Putin has nothing to do with communist ideas (though he certainly (ab)uses Rusia's "glorious" communist past to justify his war.) Funny how the far right and left suddenly agrees when it comes to imperial ideas.
Your most favourite website writing about your most favourite philosopher. :D
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/ein_abend_mit_jordan_b._peterson
:O:
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 10:07 AM
Ukraine’s application to join NATO: decisions should be made by all countries of the bloc, - head of the Pentagon, Austin
Washington supports the "open door" policy in NATO.
This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the US Ministry of Defense.
"We strive to support NATO's "open door" policy, but decisions on the expansion of the Alliance must be made by all countries of the bloc," Austin said.
He emphasized that the US is currently focused primarily on helping Ukraine, which has been defending itself from the Russian invasion since February 24.
"We are doing everything possible to ensure that Ukraine has what it needs for success. And we see really good results achieved by Ukrainian forces," the head of the Pentagon concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3370980
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 10:35 AM
Denmark, Norway and Germany will finance production of self-propelled guns for Ukraine
The countries jointly decided to make a financial contribution for the Slovak production and transfer to Ukraine of self-propelled artillery installations "Zuzana 2".
This is reported by European Pravda, Censor.NET informs.
The countries will donate about 92 million euros for the production of self-propelled guns for Ukraine. Of these, Denmark contributes about 30.9 million euros.
"With this donation, Denmark is once again helping to provide important equipment to Ukraine. The war in Ukraine, unfortunately, will be protracted. Therefore, it is very important that we also support the Ukrainians' struggle for freedom in the long term," said Danish Defense Minister Morten Bjodskov.
In addition, on Friday, the Danish government received the support of the parliament for an additional package of donations to Ukraine in the amount of 148 million euros. These funds will help ensure the supply of equipment and weapons for Ukraine.
"Many countries have already contributed large sums, and Denmark's total donation for arms and military needs now stands at almost DKK 3.8 billion. But more long-term and permanent contributions are needed. It is therefore important that today we can present our joint agreement to finance a large number of self-propelled guns "Zuzana-2", - said Byodskov. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371000
"Many countries have already contributed large sums, and Denmark's total donation for arms and military needs now stands at almost DKK 3.8 billion. But more long-term and permanent contributions are needed. It is therefore important that today we can present our joint agreement to finance a large number of self-propelled guns "Zuzana-2", - said Byodskov. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371000
I tell you there are many Danes who are furious about this. They can put into three categories.
Category 1-We shall not help Ukraine-It would mean WWIII if we continue sending weapons to Ukraine
Category 2. We have people here in Denmark who is suffering due to the high prices on Electricity, Gas and food- It's better we help them instead.
Then we also have
Category 3 who is a mixture of the first two category.
I can understand those in category 2. People get the power shut down-cause they can't pay the bill. People are being thrown out from their apartment-cause they can't pay the rent.
It's not a new thing, about people not being able to pay their bills-Only difference is it's x times higher this time of year.
Markus
Skybird
10-02-22, 12:01 PM
It will escalate any way. If we ease pressure on Russia, Putin will feel encouraged. If we keep pressure or increase it, Putin will feel enraged. Any way, he will escalate.
He's a murderous psychopath, he suffers from paranoid illusions and complete disconnection from reality, and he now fights for his mere survival. Whether somebody as bad or even worse than him will follow him or a more "moderate", is unknown, but I think this war has not even the chance to end in any way with him in office, or even just being alive.
It will escalate any way. If we ease pressure on Russia, Putin will feel encouraged. If we keep pressure or increase it, Putin will feel enraged. Any way, he will escalate.
He's a murderous psychopath, he suffers from paranoid illusions and complete disconnection from reality, and he now fights for his mere survival. Whether somebody as bad or even worse than him will follow him or a more "moderate", is unknown, but I think this war has not even the chance to end in any way with him in office, or even just being alive.
Then I have to tell you there are those-Both Danes, Swedes and perhaps Germans who have high hopes about Putin-They see him as a great leader.
They are in their rights to have such an opinion-I can't however not support it in any way.
For me Putin is a madman a person who should have been taken away a long time ago-He should never have become President.
Markus
Platapus
10-02-22, 12:12 PM
It will be interesting to see if all 30 NATO nations vote to go to war against Russia.
It will be interesting to see if all 30 NATO nations vote to go to war against Russia.
I try to follow what's going on in Ukraine-Nato countries and Russia.
This however I have missed-Do you have by any chance a link ?
Markus
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 01:20 PM
I tell you there are many Danes who are furious about this. They can put into three categories.
Category 1-We shall not help Ukraine-It would mean WWIII if we continue sending weapons to Ukraine
Category 2. We have people here in Denmark who is suffering due to the high prices on Electricity, Gas and food- It's better we help them instead.
Then we also have
Category 3 who is a mixture of the first two category.
I can understand those in category 2. People get the power shut down-cause they can't pay the bill. People are being thrown out from their apartment-cause they can't pay the rent.
It's not a new thing, about people not being able to pay their bills-Only difference is it's x times higher this time of year.
Markus
I can certainly sympathise with Category 2
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 01:21 PM
Zelensky thanked countries that supported Ukraine’s accession to NATO
President Volodymyr Zelensky thanked the countries of Central and Eastern Europe for supporting Ukraine’s accession to NATO.
As reported by Censor.NET, Zelensky wrote about this on Twitter.
"I am sincerely grateful to our good neighbors – the countries of Central and Eastern Europe – for supporting Ukraine's membership in NATO and condemning the Russian Federation's attempt to annex the territories of Ukraine," Zelensky said.
He thanked the Presidents of: Estonia Alar Karis, Latvia Republic Egils Levits, Lithuania Gitanas Nauseda, North Macedonia Stevo Pendarovski, Montenegro Milo Djukanovic, Poland Andrzej Duda, Romania Klaus Iohannis, Slovakia Zuzana Čaputova and Czech Republic Milos Zeman. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371021
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 01:22 PM
Liberation of Lyman is great success, but not turning point - head of German Ministry of Defense Lambrecht
German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht called the capture of Lyman a huge success for Ukraine, but the turning point in the war has not yet been reached.
As reported by Censor.NET with reference to EP.
"This is a great success, but it is not a turning point. And that is why it is so important to train the Ukrainian military - in particular for the future. Unfortunately, we have to reckon with the fact that this war will last weeks and months," the minister said.
Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371015
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 01:26 PM
Ukrainian Armed Forces showed how a broken column of Russian occupants fled from Lyman. VIDEO&PHOTOS
Armed Forces of Ukraine published a video of Russians’ broken column fleeing from Lyman surrounded by Ukrainian troops. Warning: The video contains footage that is not recommended for minors, pregnant women and people with weak psyche!
Armed Forces of Ukraine published a video of Russians’ broken column fleeing from Lyman surrounded by Ukrainian troops. Warning: The video contains footage that is not recommended for minors, pregnant women and people with weak psyche!
This was reported in Telegram by Strategic Communications Department of the AFU, informs Censor.NЕТ.
"Another column of Russians escaping from the besieged Lyman. And met with the Defense Forces of Ukraine. The cars stopped, the rashists lay down," the statement said.
In particular, the video shows the bodies of Russians lying on the road and smashed cars.
Also, the Department of Strategic Communications of Ukrainian Armed Forces published the documents of Russian warrant officer Yuriy Voronin, who was "caught" in Kharkiv region.
"Allegedly an ordinary "mob", dozens of which were thrown to the front by the Russian authorities. But this is evidence of Russia's crime against its own people. The killed warrant officer had his summons with him, which says "report immediately", without time to gather. It means that Voronin was in the reserve. The age limit for mobilization of reserve warrant officers, even under the latest cannibalistic laws, is 50 years. And Voronin was a full 57. But maybe the point is that warrant officer Voronin is from Buryatia," - the statement reads. Source: https://censor.net/en/v3371043
Exocet25fr
10-02-22, 01:35 PM
The truth is this conflict is between Biden and Putin only !, the UE isn't concerned!, the USA has no allieds and friends ! Ukrain is a pretext!
French people is tired with that, only our government want to continue......!
We aren't stupid about Russians make fire on their own positions, and now destroy their own pipelines !:D
https://postlmg.cc/vxxmxPZ0
Commander Wallace
10-02-22, 01:42 PM
The truth is this conflict is between Biden and Putin only !, the UE isn't concerned!, the USA has no allieds and friends ! Ukrain is a pretext!
French people is tired with that, only our government want to continue......!
We aren't stupid about Russians make fire on their own positions, and now destroy their own pipelines !:D
https://postlmg.cc/vxxmxPZ0
France isn't any help anyhow. The only experience France has with war in recent times is laying down in front of any enemy that invaded it.
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 01:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHvSqT645Rk
Jimbuna
10-02-22, 01:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWrMW7H_RJw
Eichhörnchen
10-02-22, 02:05 PM
France isn't any help anyhow. The only experience France has with war in recent times is laying down in front of any enemy that invaded it.
Well said, CW - this guy's raving
Exocet25fr
10-02-22, 02:07 PM
Fantastics american experiences wars: Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam.....!:Kaleun_Applaud:
And Fantastic war chief!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je4URLzZnFQ
Oh, I forget the other one war chief!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Up6HoEvqls
Commander Wallace
10-02-22, 02:11 PM
Well said, CW - this guy's raving
To be completely honest, It was England under Churchill that was a mainstay in WW2 on behalf of the allies. England carried a heavy load and did it well till the U.S could join them. Canada was on the forefront along with Australia as well.
England then is very much like the Ukraine today. Battling against all odds to the last. France has been little more than a doormat.
Exocet25fr
10-02-22, 02:24 PM
redneck commentary............!:haha:
Let us stay away from being personal-Attacking our countries fighting wills.
Each country did what they could in WWII-Denmark gave up after a ½ days fighting. Sweden gave up before there even was talk about fighting.
Even though the Danish government gave up so quickly-Some of the Danes toke up weapon and fought the invaders.
The same did people in the occupied areas in Europe.
The one type of people who should have a form of gratitude is the French Resistance. With help from UK they did a good job making live miserable for the Germans.
Markus
Commander Wallace
10-02-22, 02:27 PM
redneck commentary............!:haha:
I find it laughable a French Citizen talking about class. Wouldn't you have to have some first ?
I won't dignify anything you say any further. You're an absolute joke.
Fantastics american experiences: Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam.....!:Kaleun_Applaud:
Don't confuse military experience with political and strategic failures mon ami. It's that kind of failure which put the Germans into Paris, not the French soldier who fought with courage and commitment.
It's the same kind of thing that put the Communists into Saigon, the failure of the political leadership, and I include the top Generals in that group to prepare and manage for war or deal with the reality of it once it starts.
You're no longer talking about my army retreating at Lyman cos it is now retreating in Kherson also.
I remain a master strategist. https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1576656759854632960
I’m told the collapse of Russian lines in ne Kherson is a story that is still in progress. Understand Ukraine has moved south by at least 20km since yesterday. “It could be even more interesting by the morning,” a recon soldier tells me. https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1576658637329612801
Russian pages are sounding the alarm about Kherson. One says Russian forces have fallen back to Dudchany, another says the situation could soon become critical, another says Ru forces need to prepare for urban warfare and that Ukraine is hitting their lines where they are weak. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1576658889637961728
If the sources are accurate and lines are already broke at Dudchany then we could definitely be seeing a rout. This is either a very rapid collapse of Russian forces, latent initial information making it look faster than it is, or Russian sources are wrong.
My bet is option 1. https://twitter.com/The_IntelHub/status/1576625560041639936
More and more stories about the Ukrainians making a significant advance in Kherson Oblast--mostly seem to be pushing down from the north along the Dnipro. https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1576662158901129216
(Tried to find it again)WarMonitor3 had a Status on twitter where they wrote something with Russian forces in Kherson had asked for air support on social media.
Markusstories that Russian command and control has broken down so spectacularly in Kherson that one unit has gone onto social media to beg for air support. https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1576664053405323264
Russian fronts are collapsing South and East, there is a great operational crisis going on.
stories that Russian command and control has broken down so spectacularly in Kherson that one unit has gone onto social media to beg for air support. https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1576664053405323264
Russian fronts are collapsing South and East, there is a great operational crisis going on.
I can't help thinking on those who are looking up to the Russians mighty military strength
I guess they having a hard time believing this information that comes from Ukraine.
Markus
I can't help thinking on those who are looking up to the Russians mighty military strength
I guess they having a hard time believing this information that comes from Ukraine.
MarkusRussian military bloggers are the ones that confirm the troubles at the front watch https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed
A lot of rumors the Northern front in Kherson is collapsing. Russians are withdrawing in the direction of Nova Kakhovka.
We are looking into that information and we try to confirm this, by GeoConfirmation, ASAP. https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1576649330412249088
The defeat around Lyman also indicates that Russian President Vladimir Putin – who has reportedly been micromanaging Russian commanders on the ground – is deprioritizing defending Luhansk Oblast in favor of holding occupied territories in southern Ukraine. Ukrainian and Russian sources consistently indicate that Russian forces continued to reinforce Russian positions in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts, despite the recent collapse of the Kharkiv-Izyum front and even as the Russian positions around Lyman collapsed.[6] The decision not to reinforce vulnerable Kupyansk or Lyman front lines was almost certainly Putin’s, not that of the military command, and suggests that Putin cares far more about holding the strategic terrain of Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts than he does about Luhansk Oblast. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-1
Skybird
10-02-22, 03:58 PM
Of 30 NATO member states, so far just 9 countries support Ukraine's bid for membership: the Czech Republic, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, North Mazedonia, Montenegro, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia.
By statutes, all 30 NATO members need to agree to a new member.
Of 30 NATO member states, so far just 9 countries support Ukraine's bid for membership: the Czech Republic, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, North Mazedonia, Montenegro, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia.
By statutes, all 30 NATO members need to agree to a new member.
Thank you Skybird-Now I know what Platapus ment by his comment.
If 30 member of NATO will vote for going to war against Russia.
Markus
les green01
10-02-22, 04:30 PM
redneck commentary............!:haha:
i'm country to the bone and proud of it maybe next time you are buying food think where it comes from
les green01
10-02-22, 04:33 PM
Thank you Skybird-Now I know what Platapus ment by his comment.
If 30 member of NATO will vote for going to war against Russia.
Markus
i don't think all 30 going do it look how much trouble the last two had but then you never know
Commander Wallace
10-02-22, 04:36 PM
i'm country to the bone and proud of it maybe next time you are buying food think where it comes from
Well said. :up:
Exocet25fr
10-02-22, 04:56 PM
You're arrogant !, my food doesn't come from your country, neither Mac'do...Fortunatly...!:yeah:
You're arrogant !, my food doesn't come from your country, neither Mac'do...Fortunatly...!:yeah:
I'm pretty sure it wasn't what he meant by it-He meant he comes from the countryside-Where a major of our food is produced.
Markus
Commander Wallace
10-02-22, 05:16 PM
You're arrogant !, my food doesn't come from your country, neither Mac'do...Fortunatly...!:yeah:
If you're so unhappy here, why don't you leave and not come back? Trust me, we won't miss you at all.
Please my friends lets not get personal.
I went back to read his post a third time and what I think is important in his comment is this:
"French people is tired with that, only our government want to continue......!"
As I mentioned some page back-Many Danes and Swedes are tired of the war only their government want to continue to give military aid.
Markus
The truth is this conflict is between Biden and Putin only !, the UE isn't concerned!, the USA has no allieds and friends ! Ukrain is a pretext!
French people is tired with that, only our government want to continue......!
We aren't stupid about Russians make fire on their own positions, and now destroy their own pipelines !:D
https://postlmg.cc/vxxmxPZ0
If you don't have anything decent to say then don't say anything at all. :nope:
If you're so unhappy here, why don't you leave and not come back? Trust me, we won't miss you at all.
:har::har: Great response!! :Kaleun_Applaud:
les green01
10-02-22, 06:15 PM
well only one that wanted the war was putin and russia well they sure are getting it Ukraine is kicking butt and taking names course it not over
Commander Wallace
10-02-22, 06:22 PM
If you don't have anything decent to say then don't say anything at all. :nope:
:har::har: Great response!! :Kaleun_Applaud:
Well, it was a reasonable question. :haha::yep:
Please my friends lets not get personal.
I went back to read his post a third time and what I think is important in his comment is this:
"French people is tired with that, only our government want to continue......!"
As I mentioned some page back-Many Danes and Swedes are tired of the war only their government want to continue to give military aid.
Markus
You're right Markus. Out of respect for you and everyone else here, I will refrain from further comment. Besides, Dargo is giving great information as jimbuna does and others as well and I would rather stay on track with the information they are working hard to provide.
les green01
10-02-22, 06:28 PM
Well, it was a reasonable question. :haha::yep:
You're right Markus. Out of respect for you and everyone else here, I will refrain from further comment. Besides, Dargo is giving great information as jimbuna does and others as well and I would rather stay on track with the information they are working hard to provide.
well said honest with you i look here for info on this war
Well, it was a reasonable question. :haha::yep:
You're right Markus. Out of respect for you and everyone else here, I will refrain from further comment. Besides, Dargo is giving great information as jimbuna does and others as well and I would rather stay on track with the information they are working hard to provide.
Thank you.
Yes Dargo and Jim is providing us with great news from the war in Ukraine. I like the job they put down to give us these news. Must not forget Skybirds in-deep analysis.
Markus
Commander Wallace
10-02-22, 06:59 PM
Thank you.
Yes Dargo and Jim is providing us with great news from the war in Ukraine. I like the job they put down to give us these news. Must not forget Skybirds in-deep analysis.
Markus
You're very right. Sky has done an awesome job of keeping up with events. Others too. As Les said, He comes here to get the latest info. I do as well and I'm sure many others do too. What I like the most is that they all include the links to their respective sources. You have contributed as well, Markus.
Well done, everyone. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 06:11 AM
The last couple of pages of posts took place during my sleep time, perhaps fortunately but having said that can we ALL stay on topic please.
TIA
Skybird
10-03-22, 06:15 AM
Neal, Jim said he is allowed to have sleep time, you may want to reconsider that policy.
:D
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 06:21 AM
Neal, Jim said he is allowed to have sleep time, you may want to reconsider that policy.
:D
:haha:
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 06:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1J-qPb3z8
Commander Wallace
10-03-22, 07:18 AM
Don't confuse military experience with political and strategic failures mon ami. It's that kind of failure which put the Germans into Paris, not the French soldier who fought with courage and commitment.
It's the same kind of thing that put the Communists into Saigon, the failure of the political leadership, and I include the top Generals in that group to prepare and manage for war or deal with the reality of it once it starts.
Thanks August for clarifying what I was going to say. It hardly matters though as those from the U.S pretty clearly understand what you stated above. I think others from various countries understand that as well, at least on a basic level. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
In the cases you mentioned, there were no stated goals much less an entry and exit strategy. You pretty much alluded to that fact.
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 07:22 AM
Questions over France's weapons supply to Kyiv
If France wants to lead Europe to a new era of military self-reliance, how come its contribution to the war effort in Ukraine is so small?
That is the awkward question being posed by some of the country's top strategic thinkers, who are pushing President Emmanuel Macron to make an urgent decision on more arms to Kyiv.
Recent analysis conducted on the ground in Poland and Ukraine shows that the French share of foreign arms deliveries is less than 2%, way behind the US on 49%, but also behind Poland (22%) and Germany (9%).
"I was concerned about the reliability of the statistics which showed France low on the list of contributing countries," says François Heisbourg, who is perhaps France's most influential defence analyst.
"So I went out to the main distribution hub in Poland to see how much in tonnage was actually being delivered, rather than just promised.
"Unfortunately the figures bore out my fears. France is way down the list - in ninth position."
The official reaction to this in Paris is: "Yes, but..."
Yes, the aid statistics are unflattering, but there are other factors at work.
First, defence officials say the true measure of military help is quality not quantity. Some countries are delivering masses of outdated equipment. France has given 18 Caesar self-propelled artillery units, which are now celebrated along the Ukrainian front-line.
France, they add, is like other Western countries in having run down military stocks as part of the post-Cold War peace dividend.
Ukraine's Caesars are fully one quarter of France's entire mobile artillery. It cannot offer much more without making itself vulnerable in regions where it is already committed, like the Sahel and the Indo-Pacific.
"It might look like we are behind other countries, but France has every intention of playing its part," says Gen Jérome Pellistrandi, editor of the National Defence Review.
These arguments are not without merit, says Mr Heisbourg. The problem is that by not being more present in theatre, France risks writing itself out of the plot.
"When I was in Kyiv, everyone was very polite. I had no sense that the Ukrainians disapproved of us," he says. "In a way it was worse. I had the distinct feeling we were becoming irrelevant."
For Mr Heisbourg the equation is simple. Ukraine will talk to countries who it knows are likely to deliver the weapons it needs. France at the moment is not one of them.
But there is another danger for France. Its relative absence in Ukraine undermines its bid for leadership in the cause of European defence.
Already many countries of eastern Europe are wary of President Macron, who they believe was far too indulgent towards Russia's Vladimir Putin in the first months of the war. A narrative has taken root according to which France still feels ambivalent about an outright Ukrainian triumph.
For Pierre Haroche, who lectures on international security at Queen Mary University of London, this narrative is unfair - and is not the reason for France's low levels of arms deliveries to Ukraine.
However, he is firmly of the view that France should beef up its contribution as early as possible, in order to reassure eastern European countries like Poland that "we are all on the same page".
"France's goal of strategic autonomy for Europe is focused primarily on building up our defence industries via joint procurement. But if you want joint procurement, you have to demonstrate to other countries that you have the same vision about our common security," he says.
"In order to make our objective of European co-operation viable, we need to show eastern European countries that co-operating with France and buying the idea of strategic autonomy is not a strategic risk."
Dr Haroche is calling for France to send 50 Leclerc main battle tanks. Mr Heisbourg would prefer air defence systems, which he says Ukraine is more in need of.
"It is like a fire extinguisher," says Dr Haroche. "If there is a fire in a neighbour's house it is better to offer your extinguisher straightaway, and not wait till the fire reaches your own home.
"It's not just generosity. It's also for your own protection."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63090644
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 07:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df45YYgqeNY
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 07:34 AM
Information in Italian newspaper about submarine "Belhorod" with atomic torpedo is manipulative, - CCD
The Italian newspaper La Repubblica spread information manipulation about the movement of the Russian submarine Belgorod, which was picked up by other world media.
As Censor.NET informs, this was reported by the Center for Counteraction Disinformation at the National Security and Defense Council.
"Referring, as it were, to a NATO intelligence report, La Repubblica writes that "Putin seems to be close to increasing the level of nuclear confrontation." According to the media's conclusions, there are fears that the mission of the Belgorod submarine, spotted in Arctic waters, is the first in history to test the Poseidon nuclear torpedo, which is often called the "Doomsday" warhead, the message says.
The CCD notes that as of October 3, such information has not been made public on the NATO website. Also, NATO regularly records the activity of Russian submarines since the Cold War, and the Alliance announced the modernization of navigation systems and armament of Russian submarines as early as 2016.
"Such unsubstantiated statements by the media only increase informational terrorism in the Russian Federation," the Center for Counteraction Disinformation emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371184
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 07:37 AM
Norway is strengthening its border with Russia, - Minister Mel
The 198-kilometer Norwegian-Russian border is patrolled and controlled by the defense garrison in Sr Varanger, and now the border guards will receive an additional control tool in the form of a police helicopter with sensors.
This is reported by High North News with reference to the statement of the Minister of Justice and Public Security of Norway, Emily Enger Mel, Censor.NET informs.
"The police control the Sturskoog crossing point and now their presence will also be increased in the border area outside the border station. The police helicopter will be a useful tool for monitoring the border area from the Norwegian side," Mel said.
The increased control abroad is connected with the partial mobilization announced by Russia. Norway does not exclude the introduction of a ban on the entry of citizens of Russia.
"We will close the border quickly if necessary, changes can happen instantly. Few Russians come to Norway compared to Finland, the situation is different here. Sturskug is our only border station in the direction of Russia. We are in close dialogue with the Norwegian police and Norwegian customs regarding developments at the border, everyone who arrives is checked," the minister said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371182
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 08:12 AM
Three mobilized Russians died in training center of Ministry of Defense of Russian Federation. One committed suicide, others committed suicide, - Russian media (updated)
A 46-year-old resident of Kurgan was found in the canteen of the educational center, where he was sent after mobilization.
This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the Russian mass media.
"The body of a 46-year-old resident of Kurgan, who was mobilized on September 26, was found on October 1 in the canteen of the tank training center of the military unit in the Sverdlovsk village of Poroshine. Cuts were found on the man's neck. According to preliminary data, he committed suicide," the message reads.
At the same time, EAnews notes that three mobilized soldiers died in the Yelan garrison of the training center of the Ministry of Defense in the village of Poroshine, Sverdlovsk region.
According to the publication's source, one mobilized person died of a heart attack, the second committed suicide, and the death of the third was related to alcohol.
Maxim Ivanov, a deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation from the Sverdlovsk Region, said: "One mobilized person died from an attack, and another committed suicide. The third was discharged and sent home, where he immediately died of cirrhosis of the liver."
The publication notes that in the village of Poroshine, where the training center of the Yelan Ministry of Defense is located, a curfew was introduced. This is due to the fact that the mobilized constantly abused alcohol. According to sources, the sale of alcohol has been completely stopped in the village. The reason was a mass fight organized by mobilized drunks. The police, the ambulance, and even the deputy commander of the district were on the way.
Later, the ombudsman of the Russian Federation Tetyana Merzlyakova explained that one mobilized person died due to an epileptic fit against the background of alcohol poisoning. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371142
Petraeus said a response might see the U.S. and its NATO allies "take out every Russian conventional force that we can see and identify on the battlefield" in Ukraine, the contested region of Crimea that Russia annexed in 2014 and ships in the Black Sea.
"It cannot go unanswered. But it doesn't expand -- it's not nuclear for nuclear. You don't want to get into a nuclear escalation here," Petraeus said. "But you have to show that this cannot be accepted in any way."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/putin-faces-irreversible-reality-ukraine-invasion-latest-moves/story?id=90824658
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Jimbuna
10-03-22, 09:32 AM
EU plans to train 15,000 Ukrainian soldiers, - Spiegel
The EU wants to make the Ukrainian army more effective with the help of a training mission. In recent weeks, EU member states agreed at the working level that up to 15,000 Ukrainian soldiers should undergo training outside the country as soon as possible.
This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Spiegel.
According to diplomats involved in the negotiations, 3,000 Ukrainian soldiers must undergo special training, such as tactical combat training for commanders or courses for engineers.
The plans for the mission, which EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell proposed at the end of August, should be determined already in mid-October. According to EU diplomats, then everything can go very quickly. So far, individual EU countries have trained Ukrainians as part of bilateral projects. The Bundeswehr in Germany trained teams for weapons systems supplied by Berlin, such as the Panzerhaubitze2000 or the Gepard anti-aircraft system.
If the EU approves the mission, which will be given the somewhat cumbersome name "European Union Military Assistance Mission" or abbreviated EUMAM, then the activities of individual states will be combined, which will make it possible to improve coordination.
During the discussion of this mission, disagreements arose regarding planning details. Poland proposed to create a kind of central training camp for Ukrainians near the border with Ukraine. According to the military, the Poles wanted to train entire combat groups up to a battalion there. Germany, meanwhile, does not think too highly of the central training center. The Bundeswehr says that setting up a large training camp in Poland alone would take a long time, and that such a camp would have to be carefully secured against possible espionage by Russian intelligence services, as well as possible attacks or sabotage.
As a result, a compromise was found at the working level. It is assumed that the Poles will create something like a small headquarters, in military slang called "force headquarters", and will receive EU funds for this. Instead of a central training camp, individual courses should be organized in EU countries.
The final details of the EUMAM mission are to be agreed in Brussels next week. Then a decision on the project should be made at the next official meeting of the EU Council on October 17. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371205
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 09:38 AM
Putin ignores possibilities of getting out of situation in Ukraine, - Wallace
Russian dictator Vladimir Putin has neglected several opportunities to "save face" and get out of the situation in which he now finds himself: instead, Putin’s Russia continues to resort to atrocities and does not abandon attempts to subjugate Ukraine.
This was stated by the British Minister of Defense Ben Wallace, Censor.NET informs with reference to LIGA.
"I mean, if we build him a golden exit tomorrow morning, he's going to ram it on purpose, so he's going to do the opposite," Wallace said.
The head of the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain emphasized that the world cannot allow Putin to win, because it will be a disaster if the "hooligan" shows - you can simply ignore conventions, international rules, agreements, threaten everyone with nuclear weapons - "and nothing will happen to you."
"We cannot allow this to win," the British official said.
As the minister said, the Russian dictator is "an ethnic nationalist who lives with fantasies about the unification of the so-called ancient race." He is not trying to improve the living conditions of Russians, but wants to increase the power of the Russian Federation at the expense of weakening opponents, including dispersing discord in the West due to the support of polar radical right and left forces, the minister added.
Wallace recalled how the Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not advise him to come to Ukraine's Independence Day, "because it could provoke Putin." He assured that in view of all that has been said, the West remains united on the side of Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371215
As I see it I would say he has two options left and whatever choice he makes he will lose face.
1. Withdraw fully from Ukraine-This for saving thousands of life-This one I recommend him to do.
2. Use nukes-This one I would not recommend.
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Jimbuna
10-03-22, 10:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksk87f80wCM
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 10:43 AM
Ukraine offers US to agree on potential targets in event of transfer of ATACMS missiles to Ukrainian Armed Forces, - CNN
According to CNN, Ukraine offers the Biden administration to agree on potential targets in the event of the transfer of ATACMS missiles to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
As Censor.NET informs about this with reference to the LIGA.
U.S. officials say that in an effort to overcome White House resistance to providing Ukraine with ATACMS missiles, Ukrainian authorities are now offering the U.S. full and ongoing information on a list of potential Russian targets.
Such transparency essentially gives the US a "veto right" over Ukraine's actions regarding certain types of weapons from allies and is intended to convince Washington that the provision of long-range missiles will not lead to strikes on the territory of the Russian Federation, which the US fears.
We remind you that ATACMS is an American operational-tactical missile complex with a ballistic missile. M142 HIMARS and M270 MLRS launchers are used to launch missiles. Different modifications of the ATACMS missile have a firing range of 165 to 310 km. Until now, Ukraine has received HIMARS projectiles that hit at 70-80 km. They are used to hit warehouses and headquarters in the rear of the invaders. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371230
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 12:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_b4XfF6WtI
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 12:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zthh2IHPt_E
Skybird
10-03-22, 12:15 PM
As I see it I would say he has two options left and whatever choice he makes he will lose face.
1. Withdraw fully from Ukraine-This for saving thousands of life-This one I recommend him to do.
2. Use nukes-This one I would not recommend.
Markus
He ticks by the cognitive patterns of a psychopath, and he is in a corner.
The beast was hunted down and confronted, now it must be slain. Its the only way to have at least a - small - chance for ending the war.
Why this abundance of words, what's the point?
The matter stands
only on this sword,
on this blade alone.
- Yosano Hiroshi Tekkan (no, not Tekken ;) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekkan_Yosano ).
Jimbuna
10-03-22, 12:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wy_MzEpN8A
He ticks by the cognitive patterns of a psychopath, and he is in a corner.
The beast was hunted down and confronted, now it must be slain. Its the only way to have at least a - small - chance for ending the war.
Why this abundance of words, what's the point?
The matter stands
only on this sword,
on this blade alone.
- Yosano Hiroshi Tekkan (no, not Tekken ;) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekkan_Yosano ).
You know-For some reason the movie Der Untergang popped up in my head. Thinking on how Hitler was convince he would win the war.
Could I compare those two-Hitler during his last month and Putin ?
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les green01
10-03-22, 02:05 PM
You know-For some reason the movie Der Untergang popped up in my head. Thinking on how Hitler was convince he would win the war.
Could I compare those two-Hitler during his last month and Putin ?
Markus
you sure can seem like he pretty much like Hitler
Skybird
10-03-22, 02:35 PM
FOCUS writes:
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Video footage of a long goods train carrying special military equipment is raising concerns about a nuclear attack by Russia. The Daily Mail and the Times report that the train is heading towards Ukraine. According to the Times, President Putin has ordered the deployment. The train is reportedly linked to a department of the Russian Defence Ministry that has nuclear weapons. According to the report, the equipment and vehicles on the train belong to the 12th Main Directorate of the Russian Defence Ministry.
This special department is responsible for storing, maintaining and providing weapons for the Strategic Missile Forces; it is a military department that controls nuclear missiles and is a key element of Putin's nuclear programme.
Military analyst Konrad Musyka told both newspapers that the deployment of such units could be a sign of an imminent escalation of the conflict or a sign of a large-scale nuclear exercise on the border.
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Well. Ready your iodine. Cloud is coming.
Skybird
10-03-22, 02:41 PM
DER SPIEGEL writes:
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The TV journalist Marina Ovsyannikova, who became known for her live protest against the military intervention in Ukraine, has been put on a wanted list in Russia. The website of the Russian Ministry of the Interior announced on Monday that the 44-year-old was wanted in connection with a criminal case.
Ovsyannikova was indicted in August for "spreading false information" about the Russian army. She faces up to ten years in prison. The journalist was placed under house arrest in mid-August, which was to last until the start of her trial. For the time being, her house arrest was imposed until 9 October.
Ovsyannikova allegedly escaped from the court-ordered house arrest. The state news agency Russia Today reported on Saturday that she had fled with her daughter and her whereabouts were unknown. "My ex-wife last night left the place the court had assigned her for house arrest and fled in an unknown direction together with my 11-year-old daughter," her ex-husband was quoted as saying.
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Catfish
10-03-22, 03:58 PM
^^ If they let him he is going to do this. There is also the Belgorod sub "missing" from the arctic carrying the "doomsday" (read: bullsh!t) torpedo.
Still there are more in the command chain to push the button, Putin will not be able to do it alone.
So the world depends on this?
Really. Should anyone on planet earth be able to destroy it? Or wouldn't it be better to get rid of such possibilities and take away this opportunity forever, for all. There is one missile needed at the right place at the right time.
Russian government has officially allowed the country's regions to buy military equipment for the mobilized troops, including drones, radio comms, electronics, night vision and thermal imaging devices, vehicles, uniforms, medicines, hygiene products and food. Basically... everything that the MOD is supposed to supply. And yes, that's "vehicles" as in transportation. The regions' purchase may also include "foreign industrial products." Code name for DJI drones? Probably. The question is how much can the regions be "asked" to contribute, given that the list of things needed now includes large items like actual military vehicles. https://twitter.com/SamBendett/status/1576994499678478336
https://i.postimg.cc/tTc6dqh7/Fe-Kb7-0-Xk-A0-B1g5.png
So in fact the central government (Putin) is not in control of the situation like his army on the battlefront this will cause serious problems between regions corruption will rise to the roof.
U.S. has not seen a large-scale movement of Russian forces despite battlefield losses to Ukraine in the east and south of the country: senior U.S. military official https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1577020172925227009
The line along Oskil river is being completely abandoned by Russian forces and is likely already being cleared. https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1577042426526846976
Russian forces have withdrew from Dudchany and blew the bridge to cover their retreat. https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1577041861898035200
The Armed Forces of Ukraine have taken control of Dudchany in Beryslav district of Kherson region. The position of the Russian fascists on the right bank of the Dnipro River is beyond saving for the invaders.
https://i.postimg.cc/XNdjVNpL/Fe-LBAsb-XEAcd6-Gi.jpg
https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1577035314291359745
This is about 20k of troops on the right bank of the Dnipro River!
Lets hope it's another one of these fake news
Putin is set to demonstrate his willingness to use weapons of mass destruction with a nuclear test on Ukraine’s borders, defence sources have warned - The Times
https://twitter.com/WarfareReports/status/1576989194693419008
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Skybird
10-03-22, 06:26 PM
The former head of Ukrainian gas company Naftogaz, Andrij Koboljew, says that the explosives that blew up the pipelines in the Baltic got already mounted on the pipelines when it was build.
I know that, still Germans always "outclassed" the others in their desire to transfigure Russia. They alrerady did that durign the Bolshewist revolution and during the starvation haunting Russia at that time. Quite some auhtor and artist of German descent travelled Russia through those murderish troubling times, was confused by the mass dying he saw, ands still reported back home how great and wiodnerful Russia was, and oh the land, and oh the depth of the Russian soul, and how nature-connected. I often called the Ger,man hystericla romanticissts, since years I call them that and it is no offence, but a factual deception. Where Anglosaxon tradiiton "cold-heartedly" thinks and focus on ratio and realism, German tradition is to wallow in feeling the nature, feeling the devine, feeling this and feelign that and wallowing in sentimentalities of all kinds, until today (energy policy). Beuaiful arts and prose and painting sand music come form this. The darkest horrors and cold-hearted terrors also come form this. German sentimentality is merciless, and enforces its way with cruel determination to enforce its wellmeaningness on others. Its a deep-rooting receptivity for totalitarianism, disguised as collective solidarity - but this solidarity does not tolerate rejection and dissenters. The beginning of this self-deformation probably were the Prussian social order. I do not think Germans/y will ever be cured from this without eradicating "Germaness" from the history books. I also think the only thing the world can and should do is to indeed contain Germany, like political philosphers recommended already after WW1 and again after WW2. The looks of the crisdis in Europe today last but niot least have been fundamentally helped to shape up by Germany and its atottude to always knwo evertyhign better. "Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen" - thats a valid slogan, still. It has started to backfire against us. We have no right to complain over that.
Well dog welcome to the pack.It's just not you, watch the rest of the world,under the auspicious of those in control now.Wipe away thru youth what they were taught about Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, and Fascism.
Yes there is a new religion on the horizon a belief in Scientist.
And this new belief and eventual worship, will cause the death of more people on this planet than any religious or culture beliefs. Yes there must be a progression of Humanity and the next level will be in the year 2525 if man can survive. Youi old dog i'll se you at gates of Valhalla.And we Caucasians shall drink wine together again..Oh hell i used a term that is not allowable today.LOL ��
'Stupid and absurd' to say Russia behind gas leaks - Kremlin
The Kremlin says it is "stupid and absurd" to conclude that Russia was behind gas leaks on the Nord Stream pipelines to Europe.
The European Union has said the leaks in the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines from Russia to Europe were caused by sabotage - but did not directly accuse Russia.
Ukraine has gone further, accusing Russia of a "terrorist attack".
"It's quite predictable and also predictably stupid to give voice to these kinds of narratives - predictably stupid and absurd," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
"This is a big problem for us because, firstly, both lines of Nord Stream 2 are filled with gas - the entire system is ready to pump gas and the gas is very expensive... Now the gas is flying off into the air," he said.
People should wait for findings from an investigation before drawing conclusions, Peskov added.
Oh no Jim,Was it Russia?They couldn't just shut valves off on their end.The Russian people are stupid and uneducated right. It took the rest of the world to run that pipe right? So the question is who was responsible for that section of pipe? Yes what country is responsible for the security of that pipe.Does a country have to have a billion dollar submarine hovering? Can't we all eat goats an fish.? And shiver in the coming winter. I bet Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his elite. If their not in the UK or US they certainly will not suffer a winter at all. Where are the reporters showing the rest of the world where they really are.Oh that's right he's only on the back lines with the rusted blown out tanks . Always asking for more money and equipment.And haven't the world seen this before.Just before the puppets get their asses kicked and they fly away. To live a good life .
Onkel Neal
10-03-22, 11:38 PM
Russia better not use nukes on Ukraine. The Russian people better wake up and pull their head out of their ass. There won't be any business as usual with Russians if this happens.
Russia better not use nukes on Ukraine. The Russian people better wake up and pull their head out of their ass. There won't be any business as usual with Russians if this happens.
What? The American people better wake up.We don't have bite on a dogs bone over there.That's an EU problem' It's their backyard. Their so great let's see how they can handle it without the Americans for 1 time.
Skybird
10-04-22, 02:41 AM
The Russian people better wake up and pull their head out of their ass. T
Thats why the Finnish have closed the border for Russians, they want the Russians to stay home and start attacking the regime instead of leaving and by that letting pressure out of the kettle. I saw a TV docu where several officials - border police, local administrators, but also ordinary people - explicitly said so.
However, if we establish a welcome culture for young men trying to flee from the war "service" they need to do in Russia, and this info makes the round in the Russian military, this again weakens Putin's effort to maintain the war and the neosovjet military. It could encourage more defections.
So there are arguments pro and contra, and good ones. I find this hard to call.
Jimbuna
10-04-22, 05:14 AM
‘Don't expect good news' Putin humiliated as Russian media turn on mobilisation
Vladimir Putin has ordered 300,000 additional reserve troops to report for military training in order to boost invading forces on the frontline in Ukraine. The decision has already sparked huge public backlash within Russia, as families, in fear of being torn apart by mandatory military call-ups, have headed for escape via accessible land borders. While Kremlin-controlled media has remained fiercely supportive of the special military operation, acting to provide a shield of misinformation on the Russian military performance, the mobilisation has marked a notable shift in the presenters' attitude. Formerly unwilling to acknowledge any sign of Russian weakness in the conflict, the state media pundits have now warned citizens not to expect positive developments in the war over the coming weeks, despite the flood of mobilised reserve soldiers.
Speaking on state-controlled network Russia One, television host Vladimir Solovyov said: "In real life, I'd really like us to attack and take Kyiv tomorrow but I am aware that, for those 300,000 who are undergoing partial mobilisation, time is required for that.
"Time is required for their training, for their combat coordination, and for them to have everything they need for entering battle.
"This means that for a certain period of time, things won't be easy for us.
"Right now, we shouldn't be expecting good news. We need to possess 'long will' and strategic patience."
His declaration comes just days after Solovyov bashed the "idiot" Kremlin generals in charge of the partial mobilisation logistics.
Again, speaking on Russia One, Solovyov said: "Every idiot in those positions, who decided to call up a musician, or a person who has a million illnesses, or to approach a student despite the special decree explaining exemptions - such a person should not simply be punished, he should be the first to be sent to the frontlines."
His fiery speech came after reports emerged of individuals unfit or otherwise exempt from the military call-up received papers demanding they report for service.
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu has asserted the 300,000 men will be drawn from a select pool of well-trained men with prior military experience.
Speaking on state-controlled network Russia One, television host Vladimir Solovyov said: "In real life, I'd really like us to attack and take Kyiv tomorrow but I am aware that, for those 300,000 who are undergoing partial mobilisation, time is required for that.
"Time is required for their training, for their combat coordination, and for them to have everything they need for entering battle.
"This means that for a certain period of time, things won't be easy for us.
"Right now, we shouldn't be expecting good news. We need to possess 'long will' and strategic patience."
His declaration comes just days after Solovyov bashed the "idiot" Kremlin generals in charge of the partial mobilisation logistics.
Again, speaking on Russia One, Solovyov said: "Every idiot in those positions, who decided to call up a musician, or a person who has a million illnesses, or to approach a student despite the special decree explaining exemptions - such a person should not simply be punished, he should be the first to be sent to the frontlines."
His fiery speech came after reports emerged of individuals unfit or otherwise exempt from the military call-up received papers demanding they report for service.
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu has asserted the 300,000 men will be drawn from a select pool of well-trained men with prior military experience.
In an unusual shift in Vladimir Putin's leadership style, the Russian President has himself acknowledged a shortfall in the organisation of the partial mobilisation scheme.
During a video conference with members of the Security Council, President Putin said: "A lot of questions are being raised during this mobilisation campaign, and we must promptly correct our mistakes and not repeat them in the future."
He added that there had been errors regarding some groups being pressured to report for mobilisation, including individuals with "chronic illnesses" or men already over the call-up age.
Vladimir Putin continued: "We need to deal with each case separately, and if a mistake has been made, I repeat, it must be corrected, and those who have been drafted without proper grounds must be sent home."
The Ministry of Defence declared: "Putin's unusually rapid acknowledgment of problems highlights the dysfunction of the mobilisation over its first week.
"Local officials are likely unclear on the exact scope and legal rationale of the campaign. They have almost certainly drafted some personnel who are outside the definitions claimed by Putin and the Ministry of Defence."
Solovyov's doubt surrounding the partial mobilisation effort comes as the Russian military was forced to withdraw from the strategically important town of Lyman in Donetsk.
Some of the troops operating in Lyman were suggested to have been voluntarily mobilised units that suffered heavy casualties during the withdrawal, according to an intelligence report from the UK Government.
The retreat has sparked further criticism of the Russian military performance given that the Kremlin had announced plans to formally annex both the Donetsk and Luhansk areas of the Donbas region.
The decision to abandon Lyman undermines the Kremlin's efforts to legitimise their claim to the region through a series of recently concluded pseudo-referendums.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/don-t-expect-good-news-putin-humiliated-as-russian-media-turn-on-mobilisation/ar-AA12x9KP?cvid=b7cd18a8673743acb52df0a4caca8e50
Jimbuna
10-04-22, 05:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpsItnaRXWQ
Jimbuna
10-04-22, 05:37 AM
Peskov on Ukraine’s refusal to negotiate with Putin: "We will wait for change in position of Zelensky or future president of Ukraine"
Putin’s spokesman Dmytro Peskov commented on the NSDC’s decision on the impossibility of negotiations with Putin.
This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the propaganda publication RIA Novosti.
"We will wait for a change in the position of Zelensky or the future president of Ukraine," he said.
It will be recalled that earlier Zelensky approved the NSDC's decision on the "impossibility of negotiations" with Putin. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3371402
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