The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[Jimbuna]

Two Islamic State suspects will not face the death penalty if convicted of the killings of Western hostages in Iraq and Syria, the US has told the UK.

Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh are accused of being the last two members of an IS cell dubbed "The Beatles" because of their UK accents.

The US sought the UK's help in the case but a legal fight over the use of the death penalty has stymied co-operation.

The US has now made clear the two will not be executed if found guilty.

In a letter to Home Secretary Priti Patel, US Attorney General William Barr said the US authorities would not seek the death penalty against the two men and "if imposed, it will not be carried out".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53837724

Now that is a real shame after what they are or have been up to.

[Gerald]

https://i.imgur.com/jYtbcvV.jpg
WELLINGTON (Reuters) - Families of victims gunned down at two New Zealand mosques urged a judge to impose the toughest possible sentence, life without parole, on the gunman as he showed no remorse and appeared to smirk at one survivor during a sentencing hearing on Tuesday. Brenton Tarrant, the gunman who shot and killed worshippers in the Christchurch mosque attacks, is seen during his sentencing at the High Court in Christchurch, New Zealand, August 25, 2020. John Kirk-Anderson/Pool via REUTERS[/QUOTE]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-shooting/grieving-families-urge-life-no-parole-sentence-for-nz-mosque-gunman-idUSKBN25L04C

Of course he should not have any mitigating circumstances.:ping:

[Reece]

If he can bring those people back to life then he can go free. :yep:

[Catfish]

Reminds one of Anders Breivik.
I wonder what goes on in these people, they are not typically crazy, they just seem to cross a certain line, at some point in their life.
Hating immigrants and foreigners is one thing, but indiscriminately killing as much as possible and anyone in reach is "a step beyond".

[Jimbuna]

Reminds one of Anders Breivik.


That was my initial thought as well :yep:

[Jimbuna]

And life without parole it is :yeah:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53919624

[Catfish]

^ Right decision :up:

And good article, thanks for posting.

"Tarrant added that he also hoped to "create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide"."

In a way he was successfull, if not in the US, and not quite what he intended:

"The attack prompted New Zealand to reform its gun laws."

[mapuc]

Looks like there have been a minor clashes between American and Russian forces in the northern part of Syria

The official said that the injuries occurred when one of the Russian vehicles apparently deliberately collided with the American vehicle causing the crew to suffer "concussion-like injuries." Initial reports indicate as many as four Americans may have been injured.

The officials said a Russian military helicopter flew low and fast over the area in a tactic that is often used by military forces to try to disperse personnel on the ground.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/us-service-members-injured-russia-syria/index.html

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Hopefully just a quick storm in a tea cup....this often happens in the air and at sea.

[mapuc]

And again has Islamic fanatisme shown it's ugly face

The history teacher was beheaded near a school in the commune of Conflans Saint-Honorine, northwest of the French capital, at around 5pm local time.

Police told the AFP agency that the teacher had shown cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad in his class.

A suspect was shot by police in the neighbouring town of Éragny and was presumed dead, judicial sources said.

Local media said the alleged attacker was carrying a knife

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/16/man-decapitated-near-paris-police-confirm-to-euronews

Markus

[Skybird]

Freedom of religion for everyone! Welcome Islam! Islam means peace!


I think it should be given its own chapter code in the ICD and DSM. :down:

[Jimbuna]

A suspect was shot by police in the neighbouring town of Éragny and was presumed dead, judicial sources said.

GOTCHA!

[Jimbuna]

It would appear the victim had been receiving multiple threats over a period of days prior to his murder.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54581827

[Jimbuna]

Queen intervenes to cut sentence of convicted killer who restrained London Bridge attacker. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/queen-intervenes-to-cut-sentence-of-convicted-killer-who-restrained-london-bridge-attacker/ar-BB1a8jDt?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

London Bridge attack: Steven Gallant up for early release after confronting knifeman. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54588407

And well deserved imho

[Catfish]

And well deserved imho

I am not so sure :hmmm: People may change, but all he has shown is violence.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/london-bridge-terror-hero-murder-3711655

[Jimbuna]

I am not so sure :hmmm: People may change, but all he has shown is violence.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/london-bridge-terror-hero-murder-3711655

Possibly but what tipped it for me was reading what Barrie Jacksons son said on the matter.

Mr Jackson's student son Jack, 21, told the Mirror: "In my mind, Gallant has nearly done his time and if someone has undergone rehabilitation and change, which it seems he has, then it's fair enough."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54588407

[mapuc]

Some thoughts regarding the murder of this teacher in France.

A French teacher gets his head cut off — no response from the Muslim countries, All quite from this part of the world.

French President promises intervention against Islamic fanatic
Lots of criticism from the Muslim countries

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Check this post out Markus https://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2702869&postcount=2153

[mapuc]

Check this post out Markus https://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2702869&postcount=2153

I read it and it was your post in our English football thread that made me remember what I should have posted yesterday.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Rgr that.

[mapuc]

The Danish government condemns Turkey and Erdogan's actions in this current diplomatic crisis between France and some of the Muslim countries, including Turkey.
No doubt that Mr. Erdogan is stirring the pot, the question is:
what's his purpose in this?

Markus

[Skybird]

No doubt that Mr. Erdogan is stirring the pot, the question is:
what's his purpose in this?Getting a free abonement of Charlie Hebdo...? :hmmm: Last edition must have inspired fantasies...

[Catfish]

^ lol that must be it :D

Not that I think that all muslims are bad or that Islam could not turn to a more peaceful religion over time, but i found this hilarious:

"A radical Muslim wants to behead you.
A moderate Muslims wants a radical Muslim to behead you."

[Gerald]

PARIS (Reuters) - One person has been killed and several others injured after a knife attack near a church in the southern French city of Nice, reported French media on Thursday.

French Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said a police operation was under way in the city, while Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi said the suspect behind the attack - which Estrosi said looked like a terrorist incident - had been arrested.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-security-nice/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-french-city-of-nice-media-idUSKBN27E17D?il=0

Note: OCTOBER 29, 2020 9:46 AM

:ping:

[Jimbuna]

^ lol that must be it :D

Not that I think that all muslims are bad or that Islam could not turn to a more peaceful religion over time, but i found this hilarious:

"A radical Muslim wants to behead you.
A moderate Muslims wants a radical Muslim to behead you."

There's a common saying in the UK below but let me say I certainly don't subscribe to it's accuracy.

" Not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslim."

[Gerald]

Three people have been killed in a knife attack in the French city of Nice, police say.

Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi said everything pointed to a "terrorist attack at the heart of the Notre-Dame basilica".

Police said one woman had been beheaded in the attack and Mr Estrosi spoke of "islamofascism". The suspect was detained shortly after the attack.

France's national anti-terror prosecutors opened a murder inquiry.

The mayor told reporters that the suspect had "repeated endlessly 'Allahu Akbar' (God is greatest) when he was being treated at the scene".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54729957

[Jimbuna]

It's all happening in France atm

Avignon horror: Gunman shot dead by police in street hours after Nice terror attack https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1353672/avignon-terror-nice-attack-stabbing-notre-dame-france-news

[Skybird]

Its all the French's own guilt. They did not try hard enough to integrate themselves into the rules of Muhammad.


:88)

[Rockstar]

Its all happening in France maybe because they seem to be the only ones left who believe in Liberté, égalité, fraternité to be important? Merkel on the other hand remains silent therefore complicit in these attacks. But I guess its hard for her to talk with a mouthful of Turkish Sucuk. She doesn't have to worry though seems some if not the majority of Germans are just find the hilarity in it all. Its what people do to distance themselves form the problem when they dont know what to do. The world is watching you.

[Catfish]

It is happening because Macron has finally decided to target and arrest suspicious muslims and people who side with the radical ones, so we can expect to hear of more 'events' accompanying the procedure.

[Jimbuna]

It's beginning to look like the policy is to shoot first and ask questions later.

[Rockstar]

And what of Merkel? 75 years now and it seems nothing has changed the good citizens or Germany are just gonna sit back remain silent and watch while terror strikes the land again. She doesn't dare speak up against terror because maintaining political power is much more important to her. She knows if she speaks up the same thing will happen in the Merkelreich and it will end her career as fuehrer. Unless of course she gets her way and postpones those elections and we all know what happened last time there was a power grab right? The world is watching.

[Catfish]

And what of Merkel? 75 years now and it seems nothing has changed the good citizens or Germany are just gonna sit back remain silent and watch while terror strikes the land again. She doesn't dare speak up against terror because maintaining political power is much more important to her. She knows if she speaks up the same thing will happen in the Merkelreich and it will end her career as fuehrer. Unless of course she gets her way and postpones those elections and we all know what happened last time there was a power grab right? The world is watching.

Funny that just of all with a president like Trump you speak of Merkel like of a german Fuehrer :haha:
You are listening to Skybird too much :D
"Watch how terror strikes the land again"? You have no idea what terror is. Germany is a federal system, she cannot command ministers of the counties and the police what to do or not. That is what generally accepted laws are for.
Whatever i also hope she gets away from the political scene, and soon. Problem is like in the US there are no good candidates who could just take over, she has successfully axed anyone who could have become a competitor in her party, the CDU. And to be honest the SPD guys and girls are pretty lame :03:

[Rockstar]

Merkel, She can do a lot but chooses not too. Instead of standing with France she says and does nothing afraid too offend because she fears they might come after her, just like the old days. Quick to offer tribute money in the sum of 12 billion euro to Erdogan though. She might be scientist of the year. But she's too self serving, weak and timid to be a world leader.

[Catfish]

^ well Germany as a world leader is something i can do without.
But you are at least partially right. How i hate to say this :03:

[August]

"Watch how terror strikes the land again"? You have no idea what terror is.


And you do? And what does that have to do with Germany's system of government?

[Catfish]

You can ask Rockstar, or just read his posts.

[Skybird]

The Muslim psycho at Nizza had just entered France a few days ago, coming form Tunisia. This ruins some left-leaning comments again that said that it was not Islam carrying out the numerous terror attacks in France, but socially disadvantaged poor fellas who fell victim to a two-class society in France and took that as an excuse to bring murder and slaughteirng to the streets of France.

[Jimbuna]

France church attacker arrived in Europe from Tunisia days ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54742403

[Jimbuna]

Thousands of Muslims in countries around the world have held protests to vent their fury at France over its perceived animosity towards Islam.

Anti-French rallies erupted after Friday prayers in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Lebanon and other countries.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-54751920

It doesn't look like this is going to go away any time soon.

[Skybird]

It doesn't look like this is going to go away any time soon.
Lets hope so. Only when the fury cooks hot and the violkence goes beyond,mlimits the endless sleeper sin Europe have a chance to finally - FINALLY! wake up fro t ehri self-prescribed illusions. It it ebbs down all by itself again, the yjust once again wilol claim that it all is not that bad with the message of islam and the motivations it puts into people's minds.


If the spoiled child refuses to go to the dentist in time, let it hold out until it yells in pain. Then it will beg to see a dentist all by itself.

[Jimbuna]

The resurgence in attacks by radical Islamists on French soil has rekindled fierce debates on Islam, secularism and discrimination in France, home to Europe’s largest Muslim population. But Muslim voices are largely kept out of the conversation.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20201030-islam-is-being-hyper-politicised-in-france-but-muslims-are-not-in-the-debate

[Skybird]

An orthodox Christian priest has been shot down before his church in Lyon.


A rogue who thinks evil of this. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

An orthodox Christian priest has been shot down before his church in Lyon.


A rogue who thinks evil of this. :doh:

Thankfully he has not died but sadly, the vermin was not apprehended...hopefully that will change soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54763136

[Skybird]

the vermin was not apprehended...hopefully that will change soon.

I doubt that, he is already dead since almost 1400 years.

[Catfish]

Meanwhile, good peaceful turks chase Armenians in France :nope:

[Skybird]

by Chaim Noll:

The French President Macron, thought of as the well-coiffed mascot of a carefree European flagship nation, has to travel a lot in his own country these days and give funeral speeches. They are owed to piety, but apparently they do nothing. Presumably, the murder of a history teacher near Paris - after some pompous events - would have been forgotten in this type of attack if the massacre in a church in Nice would have drawn attention to the problem again not a few days later.

“A man”, as it is so beautifully called in politically correct media language, stormed into the Notre-Dame de l'Assomption church in the center of Nice Thursday morning, shouting the Muslim battle cry, Allahu Akbar, which has been known for a millennium and a half, A 70-year-old woman had her head cut off, he then killed the sexton and another woman, inflicted serious injuries to other six prayers and was "subsequently" overwhelmed by the police. According to a tip from the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, he was not the only knife man to visit France that morning: “According to French media reports, a man armed with a knife was also shot by the police in Avignon that morning.” And it wasn't the first Islamic attack in Nice either: As recently as July 14, 2016, “a man” who drove his truck into the crowd on the Promenade des Anglais killed 86 people.

As always, the chorus of appeasers will set in in the next few days: One should not generalize, express no “general suspicion”, otherwise one would belong to those who spread “racism” and “hate”, who “polarize” and “disturb”. Chancellor Angela Merkel set the tone: she “was deeply shocked by the gruesome murders”, reports her court newspaper, Der Spiegel. According to her spokesman, she said, "Germany's solidarity goes to the French nation in these difficult hours." It couldn't be more meaningless. She carefully avoided the word “Islam”, even the relativizing invention “Islamism”. This woman knows how to make a mark by not saying anything. Those who still follow her, believe in her foresight, in her prudence and intelligence, have understood that criticism of Islam is still undesirable. How much more decisive and demanding the consequences would have been if a right-wing extremist Frenchman had committed the murders and yelled “Vive la France!” Through the church.

Nevertheless, it is getting harder every day for the irresponsible rulers of Europe to sell their generous admission and invitation policy for violent, religiously incited young men to the voters. The "Islamophobia" concept of defamation has failed. It was an inflationary manslaughter argument, often coupled with the senseless accusation of "racism" for critics of Islam, stupid at its core, because - to put it for the hundredth time - Islam is not a race. I confess: I remain critical or even negative towards Islam, however I am called because of it. Because I respect women, children, homosexuals and people of different faiths as well as people, I cannot be anything else. I know the “holy Quran” and the hadiths too well, I know what has been written there for around a millennium and a half about the way in which Christians, Jews and other “unbelievers” are to be treated and punished. And I know that the murderers in Nice and elsewhere behave true to the letter, even exemplary, in the sense of their bloody religion.

We recommend to those who generally consider all religions to be intolerant, dangerous and potentially violent: Read the basic scriptures of Islam, Christianity and Judaism carefully and calmly. Then you too will understand that there are essential differences. There is nothing comparable in the Old or New Testament to the orgies of violence in the Koran. The few calls for violence in the Hebrew Bible are historical tradition, concerning peoples that no longer exist, and therefore, as unpleasant as these passages read, are irrelevant for our time. While there are still Christians, Jews, women and other groups unpleasant to the Prophet. As a result, the law of violence against them remains.As long as the Muslims do not solve this theological problem themselves - and only they could do it themselves, through reforms, modern exegesis, serious rethinking - their religion remains violent and a threat. Some practice their religion by going to their church on a Thursday morning to pray in silence, others by attacking them and cutting off people's heads, shouting Allahu Akbar. I'm afraid it's as simple and brutal as it is here. I also have to repeat what I wrote earlier at this point: Europe will have to guard its churches, just like its synagogues.
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Chaim Noll was born in 1954 under the name Hans Noll in East Berlin. His father was the writer Dieter Noll. He studied art and art history in East Berlin before he refused military service in the GDR in the early 1980s and left for West Berlin in 1983, where he mainly worked as a journalist. In 1991 he left Germany with his family and lived in Rome. Since 1995 he has lived in Israel, in the Negev desert. In 1998 he received Israeli citizenship. In addition to his literary work, Chaim Noll teaches at Be’er Sheva University and regularly travels to Germany for readings and lectures.

[Jimbuna]

At least two people have been stabbed to death in the Canadian city of Quebec by a man armed with a sword and dressed in medieval clothing, police say.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54766208

A nut job or a terrorist? :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

A nut job or a terrorist? :hmmm:


Is there a difference? When I think about it 'terrorist' is nothing more than a legal term which identifies the motive of one or more mentally unstable nut jobs. :hmmm:

[mapuc]

I'm to be honest very divided in this issue.

A part of me say-go ahead repost these Muhamad painting once again in as many Danish news paper as possible- They shall not win

While another part say - Would we like to see and/or hear in the news some weeks after, that 2-4 or more Danish citizens has been killed or badly wounded by some Islamic terrorist in Copenhagen/other major city in Denmark.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Is there a difference? When I think about it 'terrorist' is nothing more than a legal term which identifies the motive of one or more mentally unstable nut jobs. :hmmm:

Can't argue with that but in all honesty during my time as an LEO I've come across some seriously (mentally) flawed individuals.

[Gerald]

QUEBEC CITY, Canada (Reuters) - Two people were killed and five wounded after being stabbed by a man dressed in medieval clothes and wielding a sword, Quebec police said on Sunday, noting the attack appeared to be driven by personal motives and not linked to any terror group.

Police arrested a 24-year-old man from Montreal early on Sunday morning, Quebec Police Chief Robert Pigeon said at a news conference.

“Dressed in medieval costume and armed with a Japanese sword, everything leads us to believe he chose his victims at random,” Pigeon said, adding that preliminary information indicated the man was not affiliated with any terror group.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-security-quebec/attacker-with-sword-kills-two-injures-five-in-quebec-stabbings-idUSKBN27H15D

Tragic! Halloween can attract extra very shady clientele. A drug deal that went awry or someone who "tripped" too high?

[Jimbuna]

^Merged-reported and debated ten hours earlier.

[Gerald]

KABUL — Gunmen launched a day-long attack on Kabul University Monday, killing at least 19, wounding 22, and taking several students hostage according to the Interior Ministry.

The attack began with an explosion at the gates of the prestigious university campus in west Kabul just before 11 a.m. Monday morning. Thousands of students fled, but a number trapped inside began posting to social media describing seeing classmates gunned down.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/kabul-university-attack-hostages-afghan/2020/11/02/ca0f1b6a-1ce7-11eb-ad53-4c1fda49907d_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/afghanistan-violence-peace-talks-taliban/2020/10/25/4161716e-156c-11eb-a258-614acf2b906d_story.html?itid=lk_interstitial_manua l_7

Note: November 2, 2020 at 2:05 p.m. GMT+1

:ping:

[Rockstar]

Can't argue with that but in all honesty during my time as an LEO I've come across some seriously (mentally) flawed individuals.


We ought to merge all of the terrorism, crime, political and media threads into one 'For the mentally deranged, socially-inept, depressed, lonely and cults'. :03:

[mapuc]

I say

The religion of islam has a huge identity problem. Which it has had from start.

Markus

[Skybird]

I say

The religion of islam has a huge identity problem.
Well, its full of identity. Its just that it is the identity of an extremely unpleasant contemporary - always, at all times, in any place and era.


Europe is stupid to have invited this guest. This guest plans not to be the guest forever, but to take over the house. Troubles in the past, troubles in the present. Troubles for all future to come.

[Gerald]

Now comes a commercial break.... https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=247195

[Jimbuna]

Well, its full of identity. Its just that it is the identity of an extremely unpleasant contemporary - always, at all times, in any place and era.


Europe is stupid to have invited this guest. This guest plans not to be the guest forever, but to take over the house. Troubles in the past, troubles in the present. Troubles for all future to come.

I take it you're not a muslim then Sky :O:

[Skybird]

Shooting reported from Vienna, at a synagogue. One police officer is down. Situation is unclear, residents are being called to not leave their homes, and stay in hiding. Several injured. Government so far treats it as either a terror attack or an amok run.

[Skybird]

I take it you're not a muslim then Sky :O:
And being proud and thankful for it. ;)

[Skybird]

Terminology in Vienna changes to "terror attack" exclusively. Police says "the attack is still running".

[Skybird]

Government speakers say there are injured and apparently also killed victims. One attacker apparently got killed, one got arrested, more could still be on the run. Around 50 shots should have been fired by the attackers, using assault rifles of Ak47 style.

[Skybird]

In Vienna now seven people dead, minimum 15 wounded, three murderers still on the run. Austria has activated its army. Attacking scum opened fire at six different locations in the city centre, targetting pedestrians at random.

I am certain that like in the case of recent Muslim terror attacks Merkel will find ways to express meaningless and hollow phrases of condolences and sympathies without daring to take the words "Islam" and "Muslim" in her outh.

Yes, I take it for granted that it were no Nazis in Vienna, but Muslims, once again.

And the silence of the churches will be ear defeaning once again. The holy shepard will not care to defend its lambs. Killed Christians just enrich God's choir of angels, don't they.

[Gerald]

Update note: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54786952 At Vienna shooting.

[Rockstar]

I suppose Europe could enact stricter gun laws that prohibit the use of Ak47s and maybe post some knife free, sword free, and acid free, zones to keep the people within safe.

[Catfish]

I suppose Europe could enact stricter gun laws that prohibit the use of Ak47s and maybe post some knife free, sword free, and acid free, zones to keep the people within safe.

Thanks for your lecturing, i guess we prefer things as they are here. https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/

[Jimbuna]

And being proud and thankful for it. ;)

I'd never have guessed https://i.postimg.cc/VvstdGyV/wink.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Jimbuna]

Interior Minister Karl Nehammer described the assailant killed by police as an "Islamist terrorist".

Chancellor Sebastian Kurz reinforced the point later saying it was clearly an attack driven by "hatred of our way of life, our democracy".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54788613

Well at least two people aren't afraid to call it like they believe it to be.

[Skybird]

Islam versus Islamism. There it is once again, this meaningless, uneducated differentiation invented to whitewash the destructiveness of Islam's enscripted motivational power. I will never know whether i should laugh or cry about it. I hence choose option three: being furious about this rhetorical trick. "It were not the Nazis doing the evil bad things back then, it were the Nazissis! Most Nazis were just ordinary people like you and me who never have strangled a single Jew with their own hands!"

[Rockstar]

Thanks for your lecturing, i guess we prefer things as they are here. https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/

There you are! I got worried buddy. I missed all the lecturing in the U.S. politics thread. I find it disconcerting that when something like this happens you fall silent. Is this the 'if you dont look at it, it will go away' tactic?

[Catfish]

There you are! I got worried buddy. I missed all the lecturing in the U.S. politics thread. I find it disconcerting that when something like this happens you fall silent. Is this the 'if you dont look at it, it will go away' tactic? Yes I gave up, and after all it's your funeral. "Situation hopeless but not serious".

[Skybird]

Give it a rest, guys. Rockstar has a point there. Especially a German should see it, because always when criminal weapon use makes headlines, the demands come up over here that legal, law-abiding weapon owners in Germany should be confronted since the criminals cannot be confronted but somebody should be held accountable - so why not legal license holders having done nothing wrong? But even tighter gun laws and mobbing of sport shooters do nothing to prevent gun crime and illegal gun ownership and -use. The Muslim murderers in Vienna used assault rifles, apparently AK47s, so say witnesses. Which you obviously cannot just buy in any shop over here. And swords, knives: criminal statistic in Germany shows that the number of knife crmines with serious injuries and loss of liove have increased by severla factors. And most of them, the hiuge lion's share, has been committed by newly arrived foreigners. Thats a fact that the police and federal police is very clear about. Newly arrived foreigners are overrepresented in many categories of crime statiscs, and often by several factors. Its comparable in Sweden. Netherlands. France. England.

[Catfish]

You think so? https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1076427/umfrage/extremistische-straftaten-in-deutschland-nach-ausrichtung/ https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/DE/2020/03/pks-2019-pm.html But yes, it is a problem. Even if we have more right-wing murders and assassinations each one is too many. Anyone behaving in such a way has to be tried before court and, in case of illegal foreigners, to be deported. But this is pretty useless if anyone can enter the country again the next day. Quite good analysis: https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2020-10/samuel-paty-mord-islamismus-islam

[Skybird]

You think so? https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1076427/umfrage/extremistische-straftaten-in-deutschland-nach-ausrichtung/ https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/DE/2020/03/pks-2019-pm.html

I am referring to a press conference of the Federal Police from I think later summer this year, which presented it as I described it, and which was not challenged even in political circles. And it has been like this since years, since 2016 or 2017. Ministries' announcements I take with superbig grains of salt these days.

[Rockstar]

You think so? https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1076427/umfrage/extremistische-straftaten-in-deutschland-nach-ausrichtung/ https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/DE/2020/03/pks-2019-pm.html But yes, it is a problem. Even if we have more right-wing murders and assassinations each one is too many. Anyone behaving in such a way has to be tried before court and, in case of illegal foreigners, to be deported. But this is pretty useless if anyone can enter the country again the next day. Quite good analysis: https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2020-10/samuel-paty-mord-islamismus-islam

Once they're in your country they're your problem because unless you have a MOU with the country of origin they dont want them back. Even if we have more right-wing murders and assassinations each one is too many. Wasnt it you calling for the death by hanging of some politician in Belarus? Weren't you the one admiring RAF assassinations of suspected former nazis? What makes your extremist left wing assassins and point of view so much holier than the extremist right?

[Catfish]

To answer your questions: No.

[Skybird]

Once they're in your country they're your problem because unless you have a MOU with the country of origin they dont want them back. Wasnt it you calling for the death by hanging of some politician in Belarus? Weren't you the one admiring RAF assassinations of suspected former nazis? What makes your extremist left wing assassins and point of view so much holier than the extremist right?

Assuming that MOU is what I assume it is, I must tell you that even countries with whom we have MOUs, they usually do not take back their citizens if they commit crimes or turn out to be religious extremists or terrorists. Turkey, the states in North africa, the distant Middle East: they do all what they can to not take them back, and usually they win. Most asylum seekers whose request got rejcted, are staying in Germany nevertheless, only a tiny little fraction of them indeed leave voluntarily or after getting paid for leavign (!) or leave by getting forced by police. Of all three groups, quite some re-enter a second and third time later on, and try again. Most asylum seekers who get rejected, simply stay, illegally, or are tolerated by regional political entities, or get shaltered by churches. That's why it is so important to move asylum procedures away from German and European soil and have them being conducted outside our borders, in the countries where the asylum seekers come from: North African countries, Turkey. A rejected asylum request usually means not at all that the rejected person leaves or gets deported. That happens only in the small minority of cases. The German's own fault. They put too much trust in treaties with palces of origins. Namely Turkey, but North African states do not want anyone back, too, and simply refuse to take them back. - In my opinion the whole asylum law system must be scrapped and rewritten, far more restrictively. Currently it is a loud and big invitation for abuse.

[Jimbuna]

UK terrorism threat level raised to severe, meaning an attack is highly likely.

I wonder what is making them think that way (confused smiley)

[mapuc]

I'm so tired...not on the politicians, but on my fellow voters.

All they do every time there's a terror attack somewhere in Europe or in other part of the Western part of the world, is complaining about their elected politician...Until there's an election, then they(the voters) run to the assign voting station and put a vote on their beloved politicians/party..

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Despite arresting fourteen people in relation to the Vienna killing of four people the authorities now believe the gunman may have acted alone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54798679

[Jimbuna]

German police have searched the homes of four men over suspected links with a militant Islamist gunman who shot dead four people in central Vienna.

Police say the men are not considered suspects but they did have contact with the attacker and two met him in person.

A number of suspects are still being held in Austria, but officials are following up leads in Switzerland too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54838017

The net is widening.

[Gerald]

More than 50 people have been beheaded in northern Mozambique by militant Islamists, state media report.

The militants turned a football pitch in a village into an "execution ground", where they decapitated and chopped bodies, other reports said.

Several people were also beheaded in another village, state media reported.

The beheadings are the latest in a series of gruesome attacks that the militants have carried out in gas-rich Cabo Delgado province since 2017.

The gunmen chanted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest", in English), fired shots, and set homes alight when they raided Nanjaba village on Friday night, the state-owned Mozambique News Agency quoted survivors as saying.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54877202

Islamists continue their deadly hunt.

[Jimbuna]

Too early to say if this is terrorism-related but an awful state of affairs nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LIrXlLvhmg

[Skybird]

Most likely no terrorism (Nazi, Islam), but a psychological drama. Bad childhood, bad family, bad temper, loss of a basis after mother's death, no future, alcolhic, lived in the car, drank. He seems to be at war with the mere fact that he exits and lives.

[Skybird]

So far four adults and one baby killed, ten injured. Driver was drunk and zig-zagged to catch his targets.

Drunk drivers. My dearest scumbags of them all. Drunk driver killed my aunt. Drunk driver killed my girlfriend. Hope they give him hell in prison. Driving drunk is one thing I never forgive, under no circumstances.

[Jimbuna]

So far four adults and one baby killed, ten injured. Driver was drunk and zig-zagged to catch his targets.

Drunk drivers. My dearest scumbags of them all. Drunk driver killed my aunt. Drunk driver killed my girlfriend. Hope they give him hell in prison. Driving drunk is one thing I never forgive, under no circumstances.

That must be so hard. I've been to many death by drink-driving causes but nothing ever as personal as that.

[August]

Explosion that rocked Nashville on Christmas morning appears to be 'intentional act,' police say

Blast 'linked to a vehicle,' under investigation by police, federal officials




https://www.foxnews.com/us/nashville-explosion-downtown-christmas-day

[Jimbuna]

Shamima Begum has lost the first stage of her appeal against the government's decision to remove her UK citizenship.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51413040

BREAKING: Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join the Islamic State group as a teenager, will not be allowed to return and fight her citizenship case, the Supreme Court has ruled. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56209007

Excellent news.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/65cVzFNY/110026921-10222947866747743-9040745151591514814-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/mtcFgXkH)

[mapuc]

Once again we are witness to an attack on civilians this time in Germany, Würzburg.

Three people have been killed and six wounded in a stabbing attack in the German town of Würzburg, Bild newspaper has reported, adding that police had stopped the suspected perpetrator with a shot to the leg.

According to the news here, the perpetrator was Somalian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/25/dead-and-wounded-in-stabbing-attack-in-germany-wurzburg

(To the moderator, could not find our terror-thread)

Markus

[Moonlight]

What makes you think he was a terrorist?, from the newspaper link he had mental problems, if he'd been locked up securely this incident wouldn't have happened.

[Red Devil]

You actually believe the mental issues excuse? The police bring this out in EVERY incident. The police think that by saying that load of rubbish the general public will not push the revolt button and start stringing them up. It a complete load of rubbish and shows just out of touch the coppers are with reality.

The somali is not a terrorist as such. He stupidly believes that if he kills infidels he will go upstairs for his 72 virgins. Nobody has told him these virgins may not be female. They may not even be human. The innocents suffer. If these idiots want to believe these silly stories, bring back the death penalty and we will then take them to the end result.

[mapuc]

What makes you think he was a terrorist?, from the newspaper link he had mental problems, if he'd been locked up securely this incident wouldn't have happened.

It's funny that every time this ideology show its ugly face the perpetrator had mental problems.

Why not accept the facts that there are those refugees who hate us so much they will try to kill as many of us as possible.

Markus

[August]

You actually believe the mental issues excuse? The police bring this out in EVERY incident. The police think that by saying that load of rubbish the general public will not push the revolt button and start stringing them up. It a complete load of rubbish and shows just out of touch the coppers are with reality.


They are convenient targets but the cops aren't out of touch with reality. They know exactly what's going on but their government masters dictate what they can publicly blame and what they can't. When it comes to any government truth is political.

[Red Devil]

mapuc, sorry mate but you made a common error in your post. They are NOT refugees. They are scrounging migrants. 1400 years ago they tried to invade the continent of Europe but were beaten back to their own shores. Now they have succeeded in invading, this time aided by wimpish cowards in Government.

Nostradamus said in his prophecies that in the 21st century Paris would be destroyed by 'birds' from the east. I think that by 'birds' he meant migration.

[Red Devil]

They are convenient targets but the cops aren't out of touch with reality. They know exactly what's going on but their government masters dictate what they can publicly blame and what they can't. When it comes to any government truth is political.

By police I mean the sheep that follow the blind shepherds, their bosses. Their unions too.

[August]

By police I mean the sheep that follow the blind shepherds, their bosses. Their unions too.


Oh yeah, don't get me started on the evils of public sector unions.

[mapuc]

mapuc, sorry mate but you made a common error in your post. They are NOT refugees. They are scrounging migrants. 1400 years ago they tried to invade the continent of Europe but were beaten back to their own shores. Now they have succeeded in invading, this time aided by wimpish cowards in Government.

Nostradamus said in his prophecies that in the 21st century Paris would be destroyed by 'birds' from the east. I think that by 'birds' he meant migration.

An off topic comment.

The Scholars at Nostradamus school in France has solved what he meant by the word Birds from East...They said it is missiles or rockets.

End of an off topic comment.

You are right they are not refugees but migrants.

Markus

[Moonlight]

Usually a terrorist shouts alle ackbar or something like that when they're perpetrating a terrorist act, until we hear differently it must be assumed that it's a mental attack and not a terrorist one.

[mapuc]

Usually a terrorist shouts alle ackbar or something like that when they're perpetrating a terrorist act, until we hear differently it must be assumed that it's a mental attack and not a terrorist one.

From what I understand he yield Allahu Akbar when he attacked people on the street.

Markus

[Moonlight]

Motive sought following fatal knife attack in Germany
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/motive-sought-following-fatal-knife-attack-in-germany/ar-AALt8O4?ocid=msedgntp

You might be right Markus and then again you might not, 1 person heard him shout alli ackbar and until other witnesses say the same we can only speculate on what happened.
They can't sweep this one under the carpet so the truth will come out, or should I say, the Security Services truth will come out, but who knows if their truth will be the Real truth. :o

[Skybird]

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:


The motive of the alleged perpetrator is still unknown. Herrmann reported, however, from eyewitness reports, according to which the alleged perpetrator is said to have shouted "Allahu Akbar" during his attack. There is therefore evidence that the attack was motivated by Islamisms. After his arrest, the perpetrator testified that he had realized his “jihad” with the act, reports “Der Spiegel”. That emerges from an internal authority note. So far, the suspect was not known to the security authorities as an extremist. The alleged perpetrator is said to have been noticed by the police several times because of incidents with knives and until recently was in psychiatric treatment. In the meantime he was forcibly placed in a hospital.


I would argue this way. Religious fanatism reahcing as far as to murder and utmost brutality against people, is a form of madness for sure. You can be mad and an Islamic terrorist at the same time, this is in no way mutually exclusive. One could even argue it is mutally dependent.



My sympathy is limited, I must admit. The Germans wanted to get all these masses of foreigners indiscriminately. They let their leaders get away with channeling them in. They are a growing burden for the social systems, and they boost crime rates and political violence and religious fanatism, and clan crime. The Germans got what they wanted. Congratulations. Dont mourn, be happy.

[Jimbuna]

(To the moderator, could not find our terror-thread)



I've merged the threads for you Markus

[Skybird]

Put this in here to not start another thread.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210809-catholic-priest-murdered-in-western-france-interior-minister


A Rwandan national suspected of causing a major fire that ravaged the cathedral in the French city of Nantes last year murdered a Catholic priest in western France on Monday, the interior minister and a source close to the investigation said.

"All my support for the Catholics (https://www.france24.com/en/tag/catholic-church/)of our country after the dramatic murder of a priest in the Vendée region," French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin (https://www.france24.com/en/tag/gérald-darmanin/) wrote on Twitter, saying he was heading to the scene.
A source close to the investigation, who asked not to be named, told the AFP that the suspect had earlier gone to police in the town of Mortagne-sur-Sevre and declared he had killed a priest.
The slain priest, 60, had been welcoming the man into his church for several months, according to the source.
The man, a Rwandan national named as Emmanuel A., has confessed to being behind the fire at the Gothic Nantes cathedral that horrified France on July 18, 2020.
He had initially been placed under arrest before being freed under judicial control (https://www.france24.com/en/20200720-french-prosecutors-release-man-questioned-over-nantes-cathedral-fire).
Senator Bruno Retailleau, a conservative who represents the Vendée region, identified the victim as Olivier Maire. He said the local Catholic church had been housing the man.
French President Emmanuel Macron "expressed all his sympathy" to the local religious community of Montfortians while Prime Minister Jean Castex expressed his "deep dismay" over the tragedy.
Earlier on Monday, French far-right leader Marine Le Pen (https://www.france24.com/en/tag/marine-le-pen/), who accuses the government of being weak on immigration, sought to capitalise on the incident, saying that in France "you can be an illegal migrant, set fire to a cathedral, not be expelled and then reoffend by murdering a priest".
Interior Minister Darmanin immediately accused her of "causing debate without knowing the facts" saying the man could not be expelled from France while he was under judicial supervision.
Immigration is set to be a major issue when Le Pen challenges centrist President Emmanuel Macron (https://www.france24.com/en/tag/emmanuel-macron/) for the presidency next year.
Priceless artefacts lost in 2020 blaze
The Nantes blaze came 15 months after the devastating 2019 fire at the Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris, which raised questions about the risks for other historic churches across France.
While firefighters were able to contain the Nantes blaze after just two hours and save the main structure, its famed organ, which dated from 1621 and had survived the French revolution and World War II bombardment, was destroyed.
Also lost were priceless artefacts and paintings, including a work by the 19th-century artist Jean-Hippolyte Flandrin and stained glass windows that contained remnants of 16th-century glass. Repairs are due to take several years (https://www.france24.com/en/20200722-restoration-of-france-s-fire-damaged-nantes-cathedral-to-take-at-least-3-years).
"All my support for the Catholics (https://www.france24.com/en/tag/catholic-church/)of our country after the dramatic murder of a priest in the Vendée region".
French President Emmanuel Macron "expressed all his sympathy".
Prime Minister Jean Castex expressed his "deep dismay" over the tragedy.

Aha.

What comforting signals.

Great relief.

Lets see it this way. Without tragic mishaps like this we would have much less opportunities to wallow in sentimental word mud and cozy pity. And what woukd we do then with our time? Without the tlak shows? Without the "ein Zeichen setzen"?

In France, on yearly average there are 1-2 attacks on and desecration of churches per day. Anti-semite attacks not counted. The poverwhelming majporit,y the huge lion'S share of these attacks are carried out by migrants from mostly if not completely Muslim countries, only a very few are neonazi attacks, these mostly go against Jewish cemeteries and such.

the man could not be expelled from France while he was under judicial supervision.

Scum of the Earth, come all to us, our doors are open and our gates are wide. Our life missionisers and moral world improvers need you to add meaning to their existence by endlessly working on you and nursing you. Our culture becomes so colourful and diverse by your adding of antisocial sentiment and racism and Christophobia.

[August]

"Interior Minister Darmanin immediately accused her of "causing debate without knowing the facts" saying the man could not be expelled from France while he was under judicial supervision."

What supervision? Giving him the freedom to burn down cathedrals and murder people sure doesn't sound like there was much supervision at all.

[MaDef]

"Interior Minister Darmanin immediately accused her of "causing debate without knowing the facts" saying the man could not be expelled from France while he was under judicial supervision."

What supervision? Giving him the freedom to burn down cathedrals and murder people sure doesn't sound like there was much supervision at all.
Probably similar to the supervision that Willie Horton was under when he assaulted and raped a woman.

[Red Devil]

I';d like to congratulate Biden for joining the increasing list of world leaders soley responsible for mass genocides. Afghanistan is now full of civilians fleeing terror who will shortly either be executed or seeking asylum in a world over flowing with migrants. Well done Joe, you are joining an exclusive club that has Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and others in their hallowed ranks.

[mapuc]

If there is one who should be blamed for the disaster in Afghanistan it can only be President Bush It was him who gave the order to invade. He shall not take the blame himself other leaders from UK, Denmark a.s.o. are to be blamed too.

They rushed into the battlefield without any retreat plans.

Markus

[Red Devil]

I agree about the others but at this time, Killer Biden as been on tv saying he does not apologise for puilling the soldiers out. A Brit we are ashamed to say belongs in this exclusive group is Tony Blair. Not only has he been right up behind Bush about Iraq but has screwed UK forever by inviting migrants (all male, under 30s) in, and successive leaders are now to scared to do anything.


edit: history is never taken into consideration. No foreign army has ever won in afghanistan EVER!

[Catfish]

"The head of the Islamic State group in the Sahara has been killed by French troops, President Emmanuel Macron has said."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-58581122

[Deepslick]

If there is one who should be blamed for the disaster in Afghanistan it can only be President Bush It was him who gave the order to invade. He shall not take the blame himself other leaders from UK, Denmark a.s.o. are to be blamed too.

They rushed into the battlefield without any retreat plans.

Markus


They didnt rush in. Nato invoked article 5 in the nato treaty. That is the article committing them to protect each other and setting a spirit of solidarity within the Alliance. Kind of "one for all, all for one" if that gives you a better picture. How can you not understand these things. Do you even know what NATO is?

[Deepslick]

The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:




I would argue this way. Religious fanatism reahcing as far as to murder and utmost brutality against people, is a form of madness for sure. You can be mad and an Islamic terrorist at the same time, this is in no way mutually exclusive. One could even argue it is mutally dependent.


If its mutally dependent then you remove much of the concern and danger of islamism because you then say a jihadist killingspree is due to madness and can be done by anyone with madness. It just happened coincidently by a muslim on a jihad quest and should therefor not be taken as a reson for the terrorist act but only that it was done in madness. Guess you can argue that way but I dont think its very correct. Maybe political correct..... There might be a different meaning to what you said and im sorry if i misunderstood. Its just I see so much of this line of argument elsewhere. I think I might have misunderstood you.

[Jimbuna]

"The head of the Islamic State group in the Sahara has been killed by French troops, President Emmanuel Macron has said."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-58581122

Meanwhile, the madness continues where the UK are involved.

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria as a teenager, says she will regret joining the Islamic State group for the rest of her life and has offered to help the UK fight terrorism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58573501

[Red Devil]

Meanwhile, the madness continues where the UK are involved.

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria as a teenager, says she will regret joining the Islamic State group for the rest of her life and has offered to help the UK fight terrorism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58573501

She can rot in hell. She was observed torturing people and had three kids by three different fathers and all children mysteriously died! Let her rot.

[Jimbuna]

I certainly can't see the current Tory government returning her citizenship.

[mapuc]

(Sorry for opening this thread again, but I don't want to create a new one since it has to do with islam)

Open letter from an ex-Muslim:

For me today, Mother's Day has hit me a little harder than usual.
I clearly remember my mother's text message a few years ago, with the blunt message : Forget that you have mother, father and siblings, goodbye and thank you.
What led up to that message, I will of course try to describe.
My childhood has been good, all in all. Growing up in Ribe, the oldest town in Denmark, is not all bad.

All my friends were Danish, because at that time there were not so many with immigrant background (as there are now)
My parents let me and my younger siblings watch Christmas calendars, even though we didn't celebrate Christmas. I could stay over at my ham-eating childhood friend Lars' house and we would play Nintendo all night.
I spoke Danish at home without being forced to speak Arabic.
Of course, there were also things in my childhood that I now believe my parents did wrong. But I am a grown man today, and I can forgive, and I know that all parents make mistakes. Often the mistakes are made out of the best intentions.

All in all, my childhood was marked by great freedom, and my mother has always been a security for me, and the one who has always tried to keep the family together.
Even with Koran reading and learning to pray, my parents gave up pretty quickly because I would rather watch cartoons on German RTL, and was probably just as stubborn as I am today. I didn't want to.
But.
I noticed as a child how Islam played a significant role at home, but never outwardly.

When my parents were visited by Muslim friends from other cities, like Odense, Esbjerg and Copenhagen, there was a social control. Of course, I didn't understand it at the time, but when their friends made judgmental comments like "why doesn't he speak Arabic" about me, or when the guests showed a certain contempt for the fact that my friend was a Dane (Lars)
Each time, Islam was the argument brought up for me to speak Arabic and stay away from Danes. You can be friends with Danes, but only to talk about "amazing Islam."
That social control only intensified when we moved from quiet Ribe to the second floor of the ghetto in Kolding Skovparken.
I have thought for many years that my parents chose this because they missed more of "their countrymen peers."

But the reality has been that they were afraid I was becoming too Danish.
In Skovparken, I started as a root, along with the other roots. Neither a good citizen according to society, nor a good Muslim according to the Muslims.
But I went from being a mess, to changing my social circle, and eventually also getting married Islamic to a woman in a headscarf.
Suddenly there was recognition and it was called "mashallah" from strangers I didn't know.
My mother was proud. My father was proud. But I was really lying to myself.

This Islamic environment I was in was so full of hatred for everything Danish.
I was now part of the very segment that pressured my family back then in Ribe.
What the hell was I doing there? ?
I lacked the courage to speak out loud and clear. And at the same time, the pride of my mother and father, was also something that filled. Could I really be "known" to throw all that on the ground now?
Allah meant nothing to me at this point. So the fear of Allah's punishment and the religious prison were long gone from me personally.
So what was I doing here, calling myself a Muslim outwardly and trying to live up to the expectations there are ?
Danish work colleagues could feel a change in me and I was aware of it myself.
I had to do something about that.
I couldn't lie to myself anymore.

But I shout out loud today that I am EX-MUSLIM because I believe the umbilical cord needs to be cut completely. No halfway solutions, or "interpreting Islam my own way"
No matter how much I tried to interpret Islam, it was basically a lie to myself and an attempt to justify it to myself.
And it created increased pressure on my parents when I started shouting out loud.
Angry Muslims contacted my parents when they read a post from me, or a post on Facebook. Hoping to get me corrected.
It didn't work. I continued

People who showed up at the address threatening didn't help either. I continued.
Eventually the pressure was so great that they then chose to slap my hand off.
But even that, I see only as a desperate attempt to get me straightened out.
A manipulative attempt to play on my conscience. (How can you do that to your family etc)
But I continue.
Dear mother, I love you, but it is really you who must come to terms with the people around you and your shared Islam. I don't want to, and I'm not going to pretend that I do.
I write this publicly because I know others are watching. You know, the ones who apparently think you are bad parents because you let me become "too Danish".
I don't think you're bad parents, but you've just let yourselves be guided by their talk of what "true Islam" is.
Forget Islam, and forget those who are now trying to shame you because your son is pulling down the underpants of Islam in public.
I am still the boy you see in this picture. And if you want to let religious social control run the relationship here, go ahead, but it will be without me.
I have my family here, and we're expecting another child. I am an ex-Muslim, and will remain so tomorrow.
Happy Mother's Day.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Markus

[Skybird]

For many years we have had many discussions about Islam, and I tried my share to explain why I see it as such a big threat to mankind in general, and the West that it overruns by sheer migration numbers in special. Ideologies are anything but just harmless drivel, they have motivational and socially controlling power, and this is especially intensely practiced in Islam. And whereever it raises its head in Western nations, practically never and nowhere it projects a positive effect and influence on the native culture, but always tries to overcome it, erode it, thinking in long time phases and having plenty of patience, and stubborness, and determination. Muhammad'S demands were crystal clear. Not coexistenc with the bother on equal terms, butr subjugating the other, at any cost. Who denies this, has not understood the most profound truth about Muhammeddanism - Muhammad's self-made ideology.

I have had my share of times when i helped apostates who decided it was time for their human developement to leave Islam behind. The social price these people paid always was utmost high. The post you just quoted reminds me of these people I then met and talked and shared time with. I could say I were proud a bit that I did my share to help them to make the final last steps to realise their decisions and to encourage them, but truth is that it is them alone who deserve to be proud of themselves, rating their human potential and life and quality and natural right to be free above barbaric primtive cultural norms and opressive families.

Breaking ties with your family is tough if you experienced them in your childhood to be not abusive, but good, because you were too young to question what was told you. You leave your home easier when you get mistreated, abused, beaten, not loved, or get exploited. But when you realize your family kind of loves you but is imprisoned in the social-cultural prison their Islamic background and biography is for then, leaving them no other choice than to be what they are, you have to make a decision when you got doubts about that prison yourself. You either surrender and become a prisoner yourself, maybe even with the duty to do harm to others by taking them prisoner as well, or you break ties and leave, winning your inner freedom and loosing your family. Peace of mind you nevertheless may not win at all: some do, others not. Maybe that family even turns hostile, sometimes even a threat to your life. That is tough, really tough to endure. Some heartbreaking memories on my mind regarding two, three social guys I knew back then. Like with so many other people I met in my life, all those past conctacts today are dead and silent. I mean, I do not have contact to any of all these people anymore, since years. Thats how life goes. It comes, it shares time with your biography a bit, and then it goes again.


My respect and good wishes for every Muslim apostate trying to break free from islam. My unforgiving determination for every Muslim wanting to push Islam onto the world, and others. Taken by the Quran (and there is no Islam worth to be called that that does not take the Quran literal) , it is barbary, and blindess, and tyranny, and fascism. Support those trying to break free from it. Confront those sticking to it or trying to give it a nice and kind appearance. Thats what it comes down to, just these two. Islam is neither kind nor nice. Indifference, or wrongly understood "tolerance", is self-destruction when being confronted with such an enemy.

We currently see the busting of several political certainties and life-lies that were taken as granted for decades: Russia, globalization, slowly: China. I would hope Islam would make it onto that list of debunkings, but unfortunately I can impossibly be optimistic on that to happen. Whereever I look, I see the problems with Islam int the West raising worse - and the attempts to ignore, or better: to deny them, getting ever more desperate and determined.

[Red Devil]

all religion is fake. produced by man. I'll say no more.

[Sean C]

Easy to say, impossible to prove. I'll say no more.

[Skybird]

Its religion raising the claims. Burden of evidence is on it.

[Catfish]

Ayman al-Zawahiri: Al-Qaeda leader killed in US drone strike

"The US has killed the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in a drone strike in Afghanistan, President Joe Biden has confirmed.
He was killed in a counter-terrorism operation carried out by the CIA in the Afghan capital Kabul on Sunday.
He and Osama Bin Laden plotted the 9/11 attacks together, and he was one of America's most wanted terrorists."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62387167

[Jimbuna]

GOOD RIDDANCE!!

[Red Devil]

GOOD RIDDANCE!!
excellent news :Kaleun_Cheers:

[Moonlight]

Ayman al-Zawahiri: Al-Qaeda leader killed in US drone strike

I can think of some people in the UK who need taking out with a drone strike as well, and they are not religious fanatics either. :O:

[Red Devil]

I am not sure how I should take that, I hope its not personal.

[Moonlight]

It wasn't meant for you Red Devil, although if you get all Woke and whatnot on me I'll gladly add you to the list of muppets who are already on it. :haha:

[Red Devil]

It wasn't meant for you Red Devil, although if you get all Woke and whatnot on me I'll gladly add you to the list of muppets who are already on it. :haha:


ME! Woke! Wash yer mouth out!!!! :doh: I cannot stand those 'people'

[Skybird]

The guy was not blown up by that Hellfire. He got shreddered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMb-g5-aRjI


(Its not just the Sun claiming that, other media claim it as well. I took this video because it was shorter than the others but quickly explains what the R9X is).

Its always amusing again to see howe creative the human mind becomes when itsd about new way to kill people...

Whats next? Krull?

https://static.turbosquid.com/Preview/2019/04/19__04_21_57/KRULL06a.jpg659EB208-5AAA-42DA-BDE4-8CB192EC2847Default.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

The R10X is a Secret Upgrade.
It will Dice and Slice where the R9X just shreds.
:haha:

[Red Devil]

Rule No 1: Don't believe the Press:doh:

[Buddahaid]

ME! Woke! Wash yer mouth out!!!! :doh: I cannot stand those 'people'

Yeshua was woke...

[Skybird]

Rule No 1: Don't believe the Press:doh:
Balcony and house are still there, tv news showed it, only some smoke and dust was in the place. If this would have been a classical hellfire warhead, balcony and most of the house would be gone.
The missile gets described in a variety of media, and at youtube. It exists, was developed by demand of Obama.

[em2nought]

Ayman al-Zawahiri: Al-Qaeda leader killed in US drone strike

"He was killed in a counter-terrorism operation carried out by the CIA in the Afghan capital Kabul on Sunday."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62387167


Guess they had to one up the FBI finding the ruby red slippers. :D

[Moonlight]

Not again, how many times have the USA claimed that they've killed him before this one?, we'll have to believe them once again or until they kill him the next time. :o

[Red Devil]

Not again, how many times have the USA claimed that they've killed him before this one?, we'll have to believe them once again or until they kill him the next time. :o

Do you mean Bin Laden or his sidekick ??? :hmmm:

[August]

Not again, how many times have the USA claimed that they've killed him before this one?, we'll have to believe them once again or until they kill him the next time. :o


I am not aware of any such claims. How many times has the government said they killed him? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

That'll do nicely thank you.

Shamima Begum loses citizenship challenge

By Dominic Casciani
BBC home and legal correspondent

Shamima Begum has lost her challenge over the decision to deprive her of British citizenship because she is a threat to national security.

Mr Justice Jay told the semi-secret court dealing with her case that her appeal had been fully dismissed.

The decision means the 23-year-old remains barred from returning to the UK and stuck in a camp in northern Syria.

Ms Begum was 15 years old when she travelled to join the self-styled Islamic State group in 2015.

She went on to have three children, all of whom have died, after marrying a fighter with the group.

In 2019, the then Home Secretary Sajid Javid stripped her of her British citizenship, preventing her coming home, and leaving her detained as an IS supporter in a camp.

The Special Immigration Appeals Commission has ruled that decision, taken after ministers received national security advice about Ms Begum's threat to the UK, had been lawful.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64731007

[Red Devil]

Thats three great bits of news for me today.

Liverpool got trashed 5-2 at Anfield by Real Madrid.
The baby born an orphan in Turkish earthquake is doing well and been adopted by relatives.
And now that terror ***** has lost another fight to be allowed to have her rescinded passport back. Just as well, there are thousands waiting for her, and not to greet her.

Oh what a beautiful day

[Red Devil]

I know these people have their religion but its been a bit two faced recently. All of that religion say that everything on this planet is gods will. Then they stand in the ruins of the biggest quake since Frisco and raise their hands to heaven shouting his name. All religion is fake man made rubbish.

[August]

I know these people have their religion but its been a bit two faced recently. All of that religion say that everything on this planet is gods will. Then they stand in the ruins of the biggest quake since Frisco and raise their hands to heaven shouting his name. All religion is fake man made rubbish.

Religion is just mans poor attempt to define the undefinable concept of God. They are like a childs attempt to explain a complicated mechanism, oversimplified and often getting it bass ackwards wrong.

The way I see it God is not going to save anyone from the ravages of nature, bad luck or evil men. That is not what he is about. He gave us the ability for independent thought and He gave us this sometimes dangerous playground called Earth to exercise it in order to show Him by our thoughts and deeds that we are worthy of an afterlife. Either you will or you won't but it won't be by how well you follow rules written by other men.

[Red Devil]

Hi August. I take you believe in this 'being'. Fair enough, thats up to the individual. But if any god (note I do not use a capital letter) was as good and kind as the fraudulently corrupt catholic church claims, then he, or it, is a total fraud.

Look at the state of the earth for the past 2000 years, especially now. Do you think a kindly god looks at us? Or a being watching a comedy channel? No, there is no divinity of any religion, its totally impossible.

A wise man once said, "If there is anything like a god, we carry it inside our minds, our soul".

And the scrolls say that JC said that a church (place of worship) is not a building, it is here all around us, even under this stone. You all take it with you.

Religion is a device for ignorant humankind of days gone by to explain the unexplainable. And I hate that stupid phrase 'its gods will'.

And the religions who take from the rich and poor in masses, for the poor, and keep it is testimony to the lies and deceit of the gimme or perish clergy. Look at the wealth of the Vatican, the poor will never see any of it.

As for an afterlife. Yes, I think its probable. Why? Because I had a message from my mother, died 1999, long after, from a medium who has never seen me or heard of me. If its not possible what a waste of our lives, but its nothing to do with a religion.

[mapuc]

Don't wanna derail this thread to much I have however a comment to Red Devils comment.
Red Devil wrote
"was as good and kind as the fraudulently corrupt catholic church claims, then he, or it, is a total fraud."

I have been told that God gave us free will-Free will to do good or bad.

Markus

[August]

Hi August. I take you believe in this 'being'. Fair enough, thats up to the individual. But if any god (note I do not use a capital letter) was as good and kind as the fraudulently corrupt catholic church claims, then he, or it, is a total fraud.

Look at the state of the earth for the past 2000 years, especially now. Do you think a kindly god looks at us? Or a being watching a comedy channel? No, there is no divinity of any religion, its totally impossible.

A wise man once said, "If there is anything like a god, we carry it inside our minds, our soul".

And the scrolls say that JC said that a church (place of worship) is not a building, it is here all around us, even under this stone. You all take it with you.

Religion is a device for ignorant humankind of days gone by to explain the unexplainable. And I hate that stupid phrase 'its gods will'.

And the religions who take from the rich and poor in masses, for the poor, and keep it is testimony to the lies and deceit of the gimme or perish clergy. Look at the wealth of the Vatican, the poor will never see any of it.

As for an afterlife. Yes, I think its probable. Why? Because I had a message from my mother, died 1999, long after, from a medium who has never seen me or heard of me. If its not possible what a waste of our lives, but its nothing to do with a religion.


If you choose to see only the negative you will continue to be blind to everything else.

In addition to being the foremost providers of aid to the poor by far throughout human history, religions provide both a moral code and a societal structure which are important blocks to build a civilization.

It has, for all it's warts, served our species well in the past few millennia. Whereas man has yet to prove that a religion-less society can even survive for very long. Ever since ours mostly abandoned our religion we've been slowly crumbling and I expect that to continue.

[Red Devil]

Don't wanna derail this thread to much I have however a comment to Red Devils comment.
Red Devil wrote
"was as good and kind as the fraudulently corrupt catholic church claims, then he, or it, is a total fraud."

I have been told that God gave us free will-Free will to do good or bad.

Markus

Hi. Thats the excuse of religious people to placate, or attempt to, when people say WHY does god allow this? 'Its gods will.'

[August]

Hi. Thats the excuse of religious people to placate, or attempt to, when people say WHY does god allow this? 'Its gods will.'




Totally different thing than what he said.

[ET2SN]

Just FWIW and IMHO, I don't allow religion to guide me in how I interact with any of you. :O:

In other words, take a guess on my views. You're probably right. Back when I was in the Navy, this was our version of "Don't ask, don't tell". :03:

When you're walking on the thin ice, think about it before you hit that Submit button. :up:

[Red Devil]

Just FWIW and IMHO, I don't allow religion to guide me in how I interact with any of you. :O:

In other words, take a guess on my views. You're probably right. Back when I was in the Navy, this was our version of "Don't ask, don't tell". :03:

When you're walking on the thin ice, think about it before you hit that Submit button. :up:

Thanks. Yes, the bottom line is its only my opinion.


August: I did not say, in that post 'him' I referred to religion as a whole.

Anyway. as I said earlier religion is up to the individual and should always be that way, but don't let it influence opinion or reality.

I'll leave it at that, its an interesting thread though.

[August]

Thanks. Yes, the bottom line is its only my opinion.

August: I did not say, in that post 'him' I referred to religion as a whole.

Anyway. as I said earlier religion is up to the individual and should always be that way, but don't let it influence opinion or reality.

I'll leave it at that, its an interesting thread though.


So you'd rather not have people trying to do Gods work feeding and sheltering the poor? Like I said earlier the overwhelming amount of charity aid comes from religious groups. Now maybe they are just buying themselves a stairway to heaven so to speak but without their money and effort who will take up their slack?

[Red Devil]

Tell me why the Vatican has more wealth that a lot of country's and why the Church of England has £100m to spend on 'saying sorry for the past' = then you say doing gods work for the poor, dont make me laugh. For 2 millinaia the churchs have been stealing from the poor and allowing nobility to 'buy their way to heaven' -its a damn rip off.

No more, sorry but we re in the wrong arena for this sort of rubbish.

[August]

Tell me why the Vatican has more wealth that a lot of country's and why the Church of England has £100m to spend on 'saying sorry for the past' = then you say doing gods work for the poor, dont make me laugh. For 2 millinaia the churchs have been stealing from the poor and allowing nobility to 'buy their way to heaven' -its a damn rip off.

No more, sorry but we re in the wrong arena for this sort of rubbish.


Whatever. Go ahead and tell 1.3 billion Catholics and God knows how many CoE Heretics that the billions they give to charity annually is a rip off. That all the orphanages and missions they operate, volunteer for and finance are rubbish. Then break out your wallet and take up their slack.

[Red Devil]

Whatever. Go ahead and tell 1.3 billion Catholics and God knows how many CoE Heretics that the billions they give to charity annually is a rip off. That all the orphanages and missions they operate, volunteer for and finance are rubbish. Then break out your wallet and take up their slack.

Finances are rubbish, you hit the nail on the head. The Churches have ALL the money but the poor get, from them ,sod all.

[August]

Finances are rubbish, you hit the nail on the head. The Churches have ALL the money but the poor get, from them ,sod all.




The churches have the money that was given to them by their members. They didn't take it from you. How many orphanages do you run? How many soup kitchens, vaccination programs, schools, or food drives have you built or organized? The churches pay for all of that.

[MaDef]

The churches have the money that was given to them by their members. They didn't take it from you. How many orphanages do you run? How many soup kitchens, vaccination programs, schools, or food drives have you built or organized? The churches pay for all of that.
That's not entirely accurate. I know of one Christian church that REQUIRES a tithe on your income to remain good standing with GOD. :03:

[August]

That's not entirely accurate. I know of one Christian church that REQUIRES a tithe on your income to remain good standing with GOD. :03:


Yeah?, what is the churches name?

[MaDef]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

[August]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.




The Mormons? You're not talking about tithing that they recommend to gain access to one of their temples (not exactly heaven) are you? Even Catholics pass the donation basket during mass but that is not the same thing as requiring it.

[MaDef]

To get a "Temple recommend" you need to be deemed "worthy", and part of that is being current on tithes.

[August]

To get a "Temple recommend" you need to be deemed "worthy", and part of that is being current on tithes.


Guess them 410 missions come with a hefty cost. But these tithes are certainly not enough to build that stairway to heaven as the Mormons believe that only 144K souls total will get in.

[Otto Harkaman]

Terrorists in caves
https://youtu.be/fVP6KbY3fI8?si=_4fLP3swxGjJP_Og
How Donald Trump launched an airstrike to wipe out an ISIS mastermind with the stroke of his Sharpie
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/07/20/94979121-14372583-Trump_signed_the_order_with_his_famous_Sharpie_pen _He_is_seen_he-a-6_1738960373791.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/07/20/94979583-14372583-Some_16_F_18s_delivered_their_payloads_at_9_50am_o n_Saturday_str-a-5_1738960373789.jpg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14372583/somalia-donald-trump-isis-shjarpie.html