The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile, back in Strasbourg.

The Strasbourg gunman yelled "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) as he opened fire on people enjoying an evening out at a Christmas market, the Paris public prosecutor told reporters.

Rémy Heitz said two people had been killed and one left brain-dead after the attack in the eastern French city on Tuesday.

Twelve were wounded, six seriously.

The man, named by local media as Chérif Chekatt, was known to authorities as having been radicalised in prison.

The 29-year-old was armed with a gun and a knife and escaped the area in a taxi, Mr Heitz said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46535552

[HunterICX]

Ah....another known by the police to have been radicalised with a criminal record longer then my grocery list.

Good to know he was allowed to return to society, get weapons and kill 2 people, 1 braindead and several wounded of which 6 critical.

:Kaleun_Applaud: Good job to whoever responsible of letting this pearl of a human being out of prison!

[Jimbuna]

Perhaps consideration will be given to the return of madame guillotine.

https://i.imgur.com/tshBxjk.gif

[Skybird]

Allah is the greatest of motivators. Since he is also the greatest of deceivers, this shall not make the round. So can we please all collectively join in for a loud, obedient chorus: Ready? A one - a two - a one two three - and everybody:


Islam - has - nothing!! - to - do - with - it!


This - deed - is - not - Islam!


Muslims - cannot - do - bad - because - they - follow - Islam!


Muslims - are - people - too!



Say again! And with more verve, please!

[HunterICX]

Strasbourg Christmas market attacker Chekatt shot dead

French police have shot dead the man who attacked Strasbourg's Christmas market on Tuesday, the interior minister has said.
A police unit came across Cherif Chekatt in a Strasbourg street and shot him after he opened fire.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46561574


Good Riddance! :stare:

[em2nought]

Strasbourg Christmas market attacker Chekatt shot dead

French police have shot dead the man who attacked Strasbourg's Christmas market on Tuesday, the interior minister has said.
A police unit came across Cherif Chekatt in a Strasbourg street and shot him after he opened fire.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46561574


Good Riddance! :stare:


That's a good start, too bad they waited too long. They should have done away with him long before this. I guess he was a Macron voter. :hmmm:

[Schroeder]

Strasbourg Christmas market attacker Chekatt shot dead

French police have shot dead the man who attacked Strasbourg's Christmas market on Tuesday, the interior minister has said.
A police unit came across Cherif Chekatt in a Strasbourg street and shot him after he opened fire.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46561574


Good Riddance! :stare:
Why didn't they aim at the legs????:wah:
[/sarcasm]

[Reece]

Why didn't they aim at the legs????:wah:
[/sarcasm]
Correction, between the legs!!:yep:

[Jimbuna]

A great conclusion :yep:

[Dowly]

LOL :)

[Skybird]

Since it just was that time of the year, here comes a late christmas song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=9uK3jAzSv9c

[Jimbuna]

I've been waiting for the next Xmas period attack but nothing yet fortunately.

[Sailor Steve]

Correction, between the legs!!:yep:
Too small a target.

[em2nought]

Since it just was that time of the year, here comes a late christmas song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=9uK3jAzSv9c


This is great, and factual too! Starts a bit slow, but just wait for the song to start! :up:

[Skybird]

This is great, and factual too! Starts a bit slow, but just wait for the song to start! :up:
Starts at 1:23, or use the button in the top left corner showing up on screen at the beginning.

[Reece]

Too small a target.
:har: But plenty of smarts!!:D

[Jimbuna]

And so it becomes Manchesters turn again :nope:

The stabbing of three people - including a police officer - at Manchester Victoria station on New Year's Eve is being treated as a terror related incident, police have confirmed.

A 25-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.

Two knives were recovered at the scene and a property is being searched in the Cheetham Hill area.

The BBC understands the security services are assisting police.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-46728702

[eddie]

Sorry to read about that Jim, and now in Germany, a German man runs his car into people waiting for a bus. After being arrested, he was heard making remarks against foreigners being in Germany. Senseless acts all the way around it seems.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/german-police-man-intentionally-drove-into-crowd-injured-4/ar-BBRFXaC

[Jimbuna]

Sorry to read about that Jim, and now in Germany, a German man runs his car into people waiting for a bus. After being arrested, he was heard making remarks against foreigners being in Germany. Senseless acts all the way around it seems.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/german-police-man-intentionally-drove-into-crowd-injured-4/ar-BBRFXaC

True that Eddie :yep:

[eddie]

Felt so sorry for that woman who was stabbed in the face there in Manchester. Can't imagine the total fear she was dealing with at the time, poor thing. Wish they could have stopped it before she was attacked, but she was the first victim I guess.

[Jimbuna]

Aye, I tend to try and empathise with the victims but that soon turns into utter contempt for the perpetrators.

[eddie]

I agree Jim, turns to hatred towards the guy who did it real quick!! What a tough guy, going after a defenseless woman!:mad:

[Jimbuna]

Aye, a genuine oxygen thief.

[Jimbuna]

The Security Minister has said the UK won't get rescue 'terrorist' ISIS schoolgirl Shamima Begum from Syria.

The east London schoolgirl left Britain at 15 to join ISIS and says she doesn't regret her decision.

Now 19 and heavily pregnant, Begum wants to come home so her baby can be 'looked after'

Asked if he would “rush to bring home” people in Begum’s situation, Security minister Ben Wallace told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I’m not putting at risk British people’s lives to go and look for terrorists or former terrorists in a failed state.

“There’s consular services elsewhere in the region and the strong message this government has given for many years is actions have consequences.”https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brit-isis-schoolgirl-shamima-begum-wont-be-rescued-by-uk-from-syria/ar-BBTzDlL?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

The only decision that could be reached in my estimation 'actions have consequences'

[Catfish]

Same with some german girls/women, who went to join the IS some years ago. Now that they are pregnant or have babies they want to be "picked up and brought back"(!) to Germany, since ".. we have german citizenship."
What ? :o :rotfl2:

Where is the triple facepalm smiley?! :doh:

[Jimbuna]

Aye, plenty of different European nationalities still surviving in the tiny enclave they are clinging onto. Shamima Begum married an ISIS fighter of Dutch nationality only ten days after arriving in Syria.

[STEED]

I see the bleeding hearts liberals are all over it, we must let her in and hold her hand and give her a cup of tea and nod our heads and and say there there! Get stuffed she can bloody well rot to death.

[HunterICX]

A terrorist whore that deserves to be hanged, nothing more nothing less. :nope:


I think it's pretty funny that these bimbo's think they should be given help, sad thing is that some still reach out to these...the only thing I'd hand out to them is the rope they can hang themselves with.

[Skybird]

Two or three evening sagoi a qwhole serie sof German terror pets qho are prisoners of Kurdish miliotas told German Tv reporters in interviews that they were German citizens and DEMAND to be brought back by the German state, at teh cost of the German state, to the risk of the Germns state.They all said they were stupoid. Theyx all saidf they made a stupodiu deicison. They all said their husbands did not ciommit creimres. Ands the male Germna prisoenrs of thr Kurds said they were victims themselves, were lured with wrong information about the IS, and that they did never participate in torture, assassinations, shootings, rapes etc, and that they were only traffic policemen etc.

I am for second chances, but not when it comes to this level of barbary, death, terror and crime. Let them rot where they are. Since the Kurds are under immense pressure and prepare for getting under Turkish attacks, they want to get rid of their German prisoners. It speaks for them that they do not just lead them behind a godforsaken dune and bury them there in the sand with a bullet in their heads.

And btw - what should Germany do with stupids like these? They hardly are a ressource for the common good. And they even have the nerve to raise DEMANDS to Germany.

Usually I am for second chances (but one second chance only, not these hilarious inflations of second chances after second chances the German courts often hand out) , maybe I can even get talke dinto the 3 strikes rule. But not in these cases. Because my prime argument is this: there is relgion and fanatism involved. And that is where we cannot be certain of their mindsets now, and must see them as risks only. Risks that I am not willing to accept. Not with these ammounts of religous fanatism and murderous barbarism involved.

I never was for stopping Germans leaving the coutnry to join terorr and jihdad somewehre. My idea was always that this helps to identitfy who is who. The trick thus is that once we know we do not let them back in again. Lets lock them out.

[Jimbuna]

^ The fundamental problem is that Shamima Begum (for example) would probably have to be accepted back into the UK if she had not become a national of any other country.

Under international law, it is not possible to render a person stateless.

[eddie]

Maybe she should be sent to an International Court for supporting terrorism then Jim, and lock her up!

[mapuc]

We have the same problems here in Denmark-Some young ladies left their country to join ISIS (and so did many young men)

Now they want Denmark to take them home and pay for it. They say that they are innocent

This have given me lots of historical Deja Vu

Right after Germany had surrendered in Denmark, many ladies, who was accused for having "helped" the nazis claimed they were innocent.

Markus

[STEED]

Lock the bitch up and give her pork only if she returns.

[Jimbuna]

^ The fundamental problem is that Shamima Begum (for example) would probably have to be accepted back into the UK if she had not become a national of any other country.

Under international law, it is not possible to render a person stateless.

UK cannot make Islamic State bride stateless, justice secretary admits https://news.sky.com/story/justice-sec-admits-uk-cannot-make-is-bride-stateless-11638943

On a more positive note...The Islamic State caliphate has been "decimated" and the last mile of IS-controlled territory in Syria is being captured by American-backed forces, says US vice president Mike Pence. https://news.sky.com/story/is-decimated-and-down-to-last-mile-of-territory-says-us-vice-president-mike-pence-11638984

[Jimbuna]

She has now given birth...

Shamima Begum - the teenager who left the UK to join the Islamic State in Syria - has given birth, her family says they have been told.

Their lawyer released a statement saying Ms Begum and her child - a boy - are believed to be in "good health".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47270857

Should she eventually be allowed to return to the UK I trust the UK taxpayers will be excused from contributing to the benefits she will inevitably receive!!

[Jimbuna]

President Trump has told the UK and other European allies to take back and put on trial more than 800 Islamic State (IS) group fighters captured in the final battle against the group.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47269887

That is a big ask/instruction Mr President, How about you take care of your perceived immigrant problem and we'll take care of ours.

[Skybird]

Nobody shall say Trump has no sense of humour.



:doh:

[Jimbuna]

In the interview, Ms Begum said she had escaped from Baghuz, Islamic State's last stronghold in eastern Syria, two weeks ago, but her husband - a Dutch convert to Islam - surrendered to a group of Syrian fighters as they left.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47270857

Give her and her offspring Dutch citizenship then.....sorted.

[HunterICX]

Give her and her offspring Dutch citizenship then.....sorted.


Nah, you keep them...see it as a present for your leaving the EU party :O::D

[em2nought]

That is a big ask/instruction Mr President, How about you take care of your perceived immigrant problem and we'll take care of ours.
Giving "no quarter" is highly underrated. :D

[August]

That is a big ask/instruction Mr President, How about you take care of your perceived immigrant problem and we'll take care of ours.


I thought he was talking about British and other European subjects fighting for Isis. What does immigration have to do with it?

[Catfish]

^ well you should ask Trump. But it happens often that people here do not understand what he says or means.
I also don't understand why german IS fighters (are there any, b.t.w.?) should go to the US, when Trump threatens the EU to set them free. Seems like a good idea - for the IS.


B.t.w. importing foreign cars is now a national emergency, in the US. Or maybe i misunderstood.

[HunterICX]

I also don't understand why german IS fighters (are there any, b.t.w.?)

You must really be naive. Linda Wezel to name a famous one and this Fat German 28yr old who joined ISIL to fight against Western Civilization but claims to be abused by ISIL as a sex slave.

I red in a report that about 700-800 ISIL fighters have the German Nationality.

[Jimbuna]

You must really be naive. Linda Wezel to name a famous one and this Fat German 28yr old who joined ISIL to fight against Western Civilization but claims to be abused by ISIL as a sex slave.

I red in a report that about 700-800 ISIL fighters have the German Nationality.

It is being reported they could still have as many as 20,000 fighters around the Middle East area.

Shamima Begum - the UK schoolgirl who joined the Islamic State group in Syria but now wants to come home - is "damaged" and will need mental health support, her family's lawyer has said.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47276572

How about the British taxpayers stop their tax deductions on the grounds of 'innapropriate use' of said deductions?

[Skybird]

I thought he was talking about British and other European subjects fighting for Isis. What does immigration have to do with it?
Most of these figures are indeed migrants with European ID papers. People form other poarts of th world do not switch their identity and culture as easily as EU officials imply when thinking they cna just delete an identy feeling via law and replace it with an artificial test tube identity from the social-egineering laboratory.


The Sowjets tried that, and shuffled whole ethncities around to delete their roots and culture and identity. They failed, which was clearly to be seen after the collapse and the reuslting unrest in the southern provinces.


You just cannot socia-engineer a historically grown identity feeling of subjects, or whole ethnci group. One item of the mega-hybris of the EU.


Personally I indeed tend to think - and feel! - of radical Muslims not being Germans indeed. Islam has no historic place in german history, or European history - except the historical and repeated role of an attacker on Europe. This feeling is expecially storng amongst native European people in the socalled visegrad states, states east and southeast of Germany and Austria, that is, helped by thje fact that arch-conservative Catholicism and even more: orthodox Chrstian churches form their own strong identity systems. Might be one of the reaosns why the EU parliament fought so bitterly, and successfuly, against having any reference to the historic role of the Christian history as a forming fundament of miodern European culture being mentioned in the preamble of the dictate of Lisbon which effectively is kind of an - illegally enforced - EU constitution.

[HunterICX]

It is being reported they could still have as many as 20,000 fighters around the Middle East area.

Foreign ISIL fighters you say? Sounds about right, iirc the number of estimated foreign ISIL fighters back in '16 was around 15,000

How about the British taxpayers stop their tax deductions on the grounds of 'innapropriate use' of said deductions?

If only, one could say that they rather see that their tax deductions are put to use to make the public a safe place and not being wasted to have that safety be put at risk to have such jihad whore make her return.

[STEED]

About time our government stop putting out fake news they are tough on these scumbags and act on it with real tough laws and to hell with the bleeding heart liberals.

[Jimbuna]

Foreign ISIL fighters you say? Sounds about right, iirc the number of estimated foreign ISIL fighters back in '16 was around 15,000

Not just foreign Wim but the total number they have under arms including all nationalities.

If only, one could say that they rather see that their tax deductions are put to use to make the public a safe place and not being wasted to have that safety be put at risk to have such jihad whore make her return.

Precisely and I'm not entirely convinced the current UK government will give in without a fight or put up some very stiff pre-conditions because of the mess they have made of Brexit and see this as an opportunity to rebuild some public trust and support that is clearly in short supply atm.

[Catfish]

You must really be naive. Linda Wezel to name a famous one and this Fat German 28yr old who joined ISIL to fight against Western Civilization but claims to be abused by ISIL as a sex slave.

I red in a report that about 700-800 ISIL fighters have the German Nationality.

Yep, you are right :oops: I just heard yesterday in the TV that there were almost no german IS fighters – I wonder who made this up. Short look in the 'net i saw it's about 900 (known) ones :doh:

Several problems.. under internationl law it seems they cannot be stripped from their nationality, or their citizenship respectively. So they have indeed to be returned, trialled and arrested. And we have to pay for the imprisonment for decades to come.
What really makes me angry is that presumably no one of the judges here can even imagine what some of them have done, and without witnesses (where should they come from) they will probably be set free indeed. Unbelievable.. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

So I'll ask the question....

What if all the European countries who have their nationals involved jointly refuse to have them back. What happens then?

[mapuc]

One word comes up in my head every time I read about those "former ISIS" who wants to come home.

Trojan Horse

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://i.imgur.com/EXDc8J9.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria aged 15, is to lose her UK citizenship.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47299907

Home Secretary Sajid Javid 1-0 Shamima Begum

[STEED]

^Confirmed but here comes the human rights court to over turn it.

[HunterICX]

^Confirmed but here comes the human rights court to over turn it.


Funny....how Human rights does it best to protect those of ISIL members yet fail epicly to protect those of ISIL's victims...I think they should be disbanded as they're not doing their job right.

[Reece]

^ 100% for that!! :doh: They seem to forget 9/11. :timeout:

[Jimbuna]

As far as I'm aware she may not have dual citizenship but rather the Home Secretary decision was made on the legal advice her parents were born in Bangladesh and as such, Bangladesh law states that she would be entitled to citizenship of their country. The big question or what the courts will probably have to determine is what is the position if she doesn't want Bangladesh citizenship because I'm willing to bet that is what her legal counsel will advise her.

[STEED]

Bangladesh say no, so the bitch will be on her way back.

[Jimbuna]

Funny....how Human rights does it best to protect those of ISIL members yet fail epicly to protect those of ISIL's victims...I think they should be disbanded as they're not doing their job right.

Precisely!!

https://i.imgur.com/9ISb44a.jpg

It would appear the POTUS is possibly being a tad hypocritical.

US President Donald Trump says a woman who left the US to become a propagandist for the Islamic State (IS) group will not be allowed to return.

President Trump recently told the UK and other European countries to take back and put on trial Islamic State (IS) fighters captured in the final battle against the group.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47313657

[STEED]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47319763

OK Mad Dog Jezzer she can shack with you, problem sorted maybe.

[HunterICX]

Horrifying mass grave with 3,500 ISIS execution victims unearthed near Raqqa as chilling pictures revealed

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8479407/isis-execution-victims-found-mass-grave-syria/

Most likely all 'Justified' if one's to believe Begum :roll: .

[Jimbuna]

How could anyone accuse Steptoe of being antisemitic and racist? :hmmm:

https://i.imgur.com/19e2xK9.jpg

[u crank]

One possible tactic.

If the president and the secretary do not want Muthana to try to come back to the United States, the best strategy is to have the Justice Department indict her on serious felony charges. She may seek another alternative if she knows the risk of coming back here is decades of imprisonment.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/isis-bride-hoda-muthana-indictment/

[JU_88]

Ill never understand why anyone is so precious about protecting the human rights of a person that (beyond all doubt) had/has no regard for the human rights of others.
Would they be equally upset if a robber got robbed?

[Georg Lassen]

We should use our special forces to take down the remaining combatantants and have the rest just blocked entry, even children.


Finland is ruled by people that adhere to the multikulti religion and they are offering freedom to return and even enhanced social services over other citizens.


Finnish intelligence is still sane and does recommend blocking entry and removing citizenship.

[Platapus]

Ill never understand why anyone is so precious about protecting the human rights of a person that (beyond all doubt) had/has no regard for the human rights of others.
Would they be equally upset if a robber got robbed?


Perhaps because we don't want to sink to the level of the criminal?

If we act no better than a criminal, we are no better than the criminal.

[Jimbuna]

Perhaps because we don't want to sink to the level of the criminal?

If we act no better than a criminal, we are no better than the criminal.

Aye but as long as we remain stronger we can speak the only language they understand.

[JU_88]

Perhaps because we don't want to sink to the level of the criminal?

If we act no better than a criminal, we are no better than the criminal.

if we are going to tow that line, then we may as well disband our military, since by that principle; killing a killer can never be justified - even in self defense, or in defense of someone else.

Context is everything. And what you say might make some sense if applied broadly or to say - capital punishment.
But lets just think about the equivalence in this case,
Denying a person re-entry to a nation, is comparable to them aiding or committing murder in the name of some ideology?
No, I don't see how that is stooping down to their level at all, Sorry.

There is idealistic and then there is realistic.

[Catfish]

[...] Context is everything. And what you say might make some sense if applied broadly or to say - capital punishment.
But lets just think about the equivalence in this case,
Denying a person re-entry to a nation, is comparable to them aiding or committing murder in the name of some ideology? [...] There is idealistic and then there is realistic.

Some truth in there, but i am divided now. I was strictly against letting anyone in again including women or babies, though the remaining german number of IS fighters anyway is only around 30 by now (left over after the fights, was about 800 altogether). I would neither like to pay for their arrest, nor have them here at all. On the other hand those british girls were 15 or (younger?) when they left.. dumb no doubt but can they even be on trial as underage children? The babies cannot be held accountable, but taking them away from their mothers?

Trump demanded Germany to take back all its IS nationals threatening he would let them free otherwise, while at the same time stating the US would not take their US IS-fighters back.
But after all the Kurds have then stated that they would not let go anyone of their prisoners, demanding an international trial to be held in their country :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

Babies are innocent.


The mechanism I would go for is to recognise the adults as having ISIS citizenship if they fit certain criteria and then go through due process to remove their original citizenship if they have comited crimes.

[HunterICX]

On the other hand those british girls were 15 or (younger?) when they left.. dumb no doubt but can they even be on trial as underage children? The babies cannot be held accountable, but taking them away from their mothers?

Begum for example is 19 now so if she's put to trial it'll be as an adult.
As for the babies, taking them away from mothers like Begum would be in the best interest for the baby, think about it what you've heard so far about her...she has no remorse, she justified the crimes commited by ISIL what you think she plans to fill that babies head with? I'd say it won't be a good word about our western civilization to which she already has turned her back to.

[Catfish]

^ of course the mother should show (some believable!) regret, i just thought about young dumb girls joining the IS at underage and then regretting it. Once there i guess there was no easy way out anymore.
But if she liked terror and a caliphate, terrorism and beheading of 'infidels'.. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

It is being reported in some press that she may now be regretting not showing any remorse during the interviews.

Other sources feel she may have been coerced by those alongside her in the camp.

Further sources are saying she now regrets giving the interviews.

Take your pick on what you believe but the plain and simple bottom line for me is.....actions come with consequence3s and even at fifteen years of age I'm confident she knew that.

[Catfish]

[...] Take your pick on what you believe but the plain and simple bottom line for me is.....actions come with consequence3s and even at fifteen years of age I'm confident she knew that.

Yes, but here 15-year old are being denied the knowledge of what they are doing :03:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2593440&postcount=6701


Ikalugin wrote: Babies are innocent.
The mechanism I would go for is to recognise the adults as having ISIS citizenship if they fit certain criteria and then go through due process to remove their original citizenship if they have comited crimes.This sounds good and well, so they get IS citizenship (ahem whatever this is), but what would you do with the babies. Considering one of the mothers has committed murder or terrorist acts by any jurisdiction?

[ikalugin]

This sounds good and well, so they get IS citizenship (ahem whatever this is), but what would you do with the babies. Considering one of the mothers has committed murder or terrorist acts by any jurisdiction?
Babies are innocent.



If those children are entitled to the original citizenship of their parents by law, then they should go through the same procedure. Ie if:
- they are entitled to other citizenship, for example that of ISIS.
- they are proven to have commited crimes that warrant removal of their parents' original citizenship with due process in the court of law.
Then they should get their citizenship removed.

If they didn't do anything wrong (babies tend to be unable to commit crimes) or there is strong evidence that they were coerced into commiting the crimes (for example a lot of Central Asian migrant workers to KSA get enslaved and sold to ISIS) then I do not see the basis for removing the citizenship claim they got from their parents.


As to the ISIS wives, I do not see the cause for removing their original citizenship unless they did something wrong (provided that dual citizenship is allowed). You cannot prosecute a person based on whom they married or what their nationality is or what their ancestors did. It is up to the state to prove their individual guilt, for example that they participated in torture or what not.

[Jimbuna]

I'm not aware of having made any reference to a baby but if I have then that would be an unintentional mistake of my own making.

Speaking as a UK citizen I am simply exercising my right to state my view and that view is that I do not want her here in the UK because it would be too costly to the public purse and the potential for making trouble/harm is imho too great a risk.

Nothing personal Kai but why doesn't your country do the decent thing and let her settle within your borders. Heaven only knows how many existing and potential terrorists have already been allowed in....surely one more won't make that much difference.

Having said that, I notice there isn't exactly a queue of any countries offering anything at all in the way of help to her.

Many on here should know me well enough by now. I call a spade a spade after weighing up the pros and cons and I'm of the firm belief she has, by her very own actions, made her bed and as such should lie in it.

[Catfish]

Where did i say i want them here, or in the UK? :o

I did not come up with those babies first, but neither did you as far as i remember.
I just ask what should happen to them - take them away from their mothers and raise them in an orphanage? Clearly you cannot accuse or convict babies for what their mothers did?

[Jimbuna]

Fair enough.

As for babies I would only suggest that the best outcomes for them are derived at, whatever that may be.

I certainly wouldn't want to see them abandoned in a war torn country.

[MaDef]

Where did i say i want them here, or in the UK? :o

I did not come up with those babies first, but neither did you as far as i remember.
I just ask what should happen to them - take them away from their mothers and raise them in an orphanage? Clearly you cannot accuse or convict babies for what their mothers did?In these cases Babies should stay with the mother.

[JU_88]

Doesn't this just send a message to the ordinary folks living where Daesh have influence, that only western lives matter?


lets be honest,
Western lives generally matter more to westerners, eastern lives generally matter more to easterners etc. People are marginally more concerned with what effects their region, or their group or their 'tribe'. This applies on what ever scale you like,
E.g you would care more about the misfortune of a family member than that of some random person in your town. and you would care more about a bad event in your town than one in the next town.
Does that make you seem prejudiced? probably, but so what? Everyone is the same on this.

I think they (those in the Daesh effected regions) more or less understand that perfectly well because, they are no different to us. I'm pretty sure the national news in Syria wont priorities stories about some serial rapist in Wales, or some civil unrest in Uganda. People there just wont care so much about what happens in geographically far away location they have no meaningful connection with.

its a natural human impulse.

Though i understand its a perceived as a abit of a sin within progressive circles (when it comes to nationality or race). but i honestly think that's partly just down to the gig of them wanting to appear more virtuous, empathetic and ANTI-racist than the average Joe.
On the flip side, its as unrealistic as - in the aftermath of a western terrorist attack - people demanding to see the same level of outrage from the Middle east, and of course you wont see it. It doesn't mean the majority don't condemn it, (hell they are victims of it more often than we are) it just means they don't care so much because it simply didn't happen in their neck of the woods.

[Jimbuna]

Bloody hell Francis, 24 edits!! :o

[Jimbuna]

Shamima Begum and her baby have been moved from a Syrian refugee camp after threats were made against them, according to her family’s lawyer.

The 19-year-old and her son were moved from the al-Hawl camp in the north of the country to another site nearer the Iraqi border.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/01/shamima-begum-moved-from-syrian-camp-after-threats

I'm not saying I agree with the actions of others but this was foreseeable surely.

[HunterICX]

I'm not saying I agree with the actions of others but this was foreseeable surely.

I guess it's not a matter of agreeing but if you care which we don't...at least speakin for myself I don't.

First she turns her back to Western Civilization and now she turns her back on ISIL which the latter doesn't take kindly. You read now and then that ISIL executes their own who try to leave their ow so promising caliphate. :roll:

[Dowly]

The only reason she wants back is because ISIL failed. Too bad.

[HunterICX]

The only reason she wants back is because ISIL failed. Too bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4uivPpzCGo

[Jimbuna]

Who will take IS fighter and his London 'jihadi bride'?

Yago Riedijk was born and raised in well-to-do Dutch suburbia but abandoned it all in his early twenties for so-called Islamic State (IS).

Old pictures show a smiling teenager perched behind a child on a motorbike. A smattering of hairs on his chin suggests he is cultivating a beard.

He left the Netherlands in 2014 and faces a six-year jail term for joining a terror organisation.

You may be familiar with his jihadi bride, Shamima Begum from east London who is believed to have "married" him a week after she arrived inside IS territory aged 15.

They now face an uncertain fate.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47385353

[em2nought]

I still say "no quarter", especially when we find a mass grave of beheaded women in the last stronghold captured from ISIS



https://www.foxnews.com/world/mass-grave-with-dozens-of-decapitated-bodies-found-in-last-isis-enclave-they-were-slaughtered

[STEED]

Who will take IS fighter and his London 'jihadi bride'?

The Dutch husband of Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria in 2015 aged 15, has said he wants her to return to the Netherlands with him.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47431249

[Jimbuna]

No problem and good riddance.

[August]

I still say "no quarter", especially when we find a mass grave of beheaded women in the last stronghold captured from ISIS



https://www.foxnews.com/world/mass-grave-with-dozens-of-decapitated-bodies-found-in-last-isis-enclave-they-were-slaughtered




Agree 100%

[JU_88]

Bloody hell Francis, 24 edits!! :o

What can I say?.... :haha:

[Jimbuna]

What can I say?.... :haha:

:03:

[Aktungbby]

Who will take IS fighter and his London 'jihadi bride'? The Dutch husband of Shamima Begum, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria in 2015 aged 15, has said he wants her to return to the Netherlands with him. maybe she could get a job at the famed Bananen Bar https://www.bananenbar.nl/images/building.jpg so her wannabe jihadi clients can practise for their 72 virgins in paradise... after all no relapsed lass should be readmitted without 'visible means of support'.:O:
https://i1.wp.com/www.invadingholland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/inv_red_light_district_banana_bar.jpg?resize=600%2 C315&ssl=1

[Jimbuna]

Banana Bar eh?

https://i.imgur.com/MtvBDuC.gif

[Jimbuna]

There are unconfirmed reports that the baby son of Shamima Begum - the teenager who fled London to join the Islamic State group - has died, her family's lawyer has said.

Tasnime Akunjee said he had "strong but unconfirmed reports" of the death of the baby, who was about two weeks old.

However, a spokesman for the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces said the baby was alive and healthy.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47500387

True or not who knows?

Could be an attempt to keep the story in the headlines.

[Jimbuna]

Confirmed as true.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47506145

[eddie]

Just saw that Jim, kind of sad, poor kid had nothing to do with anything related to his mother or father. Just brought into a world of hell created by ISIS.

[Aktungbby]

Banana Bar eh?

https://i.imgur.com/MtvBDuC.gifWell...:hmmm:! the Banana Bar frowns generally on working moms anyway:doh:

[ikalugin]

For some reason Russian jihadi wives would rather go to Turkey than to return home.

[Schroeder]

For some reason Russian jihadi wives would rather go to Turkey than to return home.
I wonder why...:hmmm:
:03:

[STEED]

Two more women from the UK who are being held in Syrian camps with their young children have been stripped of their citizenship, a report says.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47512659

Oh boy the wet liberals will make a meal of this after recent news.

[Jimbuna]

Just saw that Jim, kind of sad, poor kid had nothing to do with anything related to his mother or father. Just brought into a world of hell created by ISIS.

True that :yep:

[Jimbuna]

I've just had a thought. Why doesn't some prominently muslim country adopt her?

[Dowly]

Forty people have been killed and more than 20 seriously wounded in shootings at two mosques in Christchurch.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47578798


I saw the recorded livestream of the first(?) shooting, so here's a few things without going into too much detail:
One shooter with number of weapons in his car, all of them had stuff written on them in white, same with mags. Hard to make out the writing, but stuff like "Kebab removed" and "This is for-", the number 14 was also written numerous times.
He had planned to burn the mosque (two cans of fuel in the trunk), but for some reason didn't. The video ends with him in his car driving away from the mosque and shooting random people from the car with a shotgun.

[Jimbuna]

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern "“These are people who I would describe as having extremist views that have absolutely no place in New Zealand and in fact have no place in the world,”

Tis a pity there is no death penalty available :nope:

[Skybird]

What swings left, must swing right.https://i0.wp.com/worshipfuel.ccli.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/06/The-Preference-Pendulum.jpg?resize=696%2C464&ssl=1

[Commander Wallace]

I have no Idea how we produce people that life comes so cheaply as to casually just kill people that they don't even know. :Kaleun_Sick:

[Dowly]

I have no Idea how we produce people that life comes so cheaply as to casually just kill people that they don't even know. :Kaleun_Sick:Enough hate brewed in the cesspools of the internet more or less.


His aim was to simply kill muslims because of what has taken place in Europe over the years. Killing innocent people in NZ to avenge the deaths of innocent people in Europe sure makes sense...

[Schroeder]

. Killing innocent people in NZ to avenge the deaths of innocent people in Europe sure makes sense...
Indeed.... :roll:

Some people are just stupid beyond belief.:dead:

[Deepseadiver]

Enough hate brewed in the cesspools of the internet more or less.


His aim was to simply kill muslims because of what has taken place in Europe over the years. Killing innocent people in NZ to avenge the deaths of innocent people in Europe sure makes sense...


:Kaleun_Applaud:

[Commander Wallace]

Enough hate brewed in the cesspools of the internet more or less.

His aim was to simply kill muslims because of what has taken place in Europe over the years. Killing innocent people in NZ to avenge the deaths of innocent people in Europe sure makes sense...


I'm sure the Internet is part of it. The Internet has provided a forum where rejects from society can get together to spread hate. Subsim is part of the internet as well and yet, we treat each other respectively. We all come from different parts of the world and have found not only a commonality of experiences but also common ground in almost everything. I truly believe Subsim and it's members really are the better part of the Internet and perhaps a model.

Indeed.... :roll:

Some people are just stupid beyond belief.:dead:


That may well be the understatement of the year. :yep:

[Mr Quatro]

It is now up to 49 murdered and 49 injured ... :o

Evil is evil ... I suspect the devil is on both sides in this one, but I wonder why he chosed New Zealand of all places. A very peaceful country this is their first terrorist alert ever.:yep:

[Dowly]

I wonder why he chosed New Zealand of all places. A very peaceful country this is their first terrorist alert ever.:yep:He went to NZ to train and plan his attack to someplace else, but soon discoverd that NZ is "invaded" too and as such a "target rich environment".

[Deepseadiver]

I'm sure the Internet is part of it. The Internet has provided a forum where rejects from society can get together to spread hate. Subsim is part of the internet as well and yet, we treat each other respectively. We all come from different parts of the world and have found not only a commonality of experiences but also common ground in almost everything. I truly believe Subsim and it's members really are the better part of the Internet and perhaps a model.




That may well be the understatement of the year. :yep:




:Kaleun_Salute: well said.

[Onkel Neal]

Evil, sick, demented terrorist, this is terrible. How does one express sympathy for the families without resorting to shallow cliches, I don't know. I'm sorry this happened and this guy should be executed.

[Buddahaid]

Agreed. Shouldn't this get moved to the terrorist thread?

[mapuc]

No doubt what they did, there is no excuse whatsoever and they should receive strongest punishment there is in NZ.

Nevertheless I am so tired of our media and politicians

When it's an Islamic fanatics who commit terror

We keep on hearing:
It's have nothing to do with Islam
And
You can't generalize, just because one or more Islamic lunatics commit terror

On the other hand

If the terror is commit by some far-rightwing person or people
Our media and politicians

We hear:
This is typical rightwing….they are all potential terrorist.

This makes me sad.

Markus

[Skybird]

What is surprising is that it took so long until a mass murdering of this scale took place at the other end of the spectrum of Islam-Nonislam relations. Just imagine what number of such killing frenzies have been carried out by Muslim terrorists in the past twenty years in the West, against Western people. One would have assumed that the shockwave of these brings up a desire for retaliation much earlier than just after roughly 2 decades. The pendulum that swings left, must also swing right. The question maybe is: what took it so long to do so? Its amazing that it took this long.

[Catfish]

@mapuc
No, meanwhile it is that everyone blames muslims for everything, so to speak the new international islam conspiracy overtaking the jewish world conspiracy.
It is not new that right wing haters like Nigel Farage or Arron Banks or Victor Orban blame jews again, and muslims, seems they cannot decide whom to hate more (whatever serves their agenda). The lines between the classic "left" and "right" are being blurred, and this happens intentionally. People have no orientation anymore.
But whatever the background: crazies are crazies, you can call this terrorism or right-wing or left-wing or racist or religious, it is all human failure.

What is new is that those creeps get far more media coverage than in former times, thanks to the internet and the "social" (lmao) media, who let everyone live in his own bubble of expectations and prejudice, you can choose your own sickness easily. You obviously also did.

This makes me sad.
It makes you hate, without thinking.

[Platapus]

Generalization is a common human weakness. It is a form of Confirmation Bias. We see it here in this forum a lot.

It gives some people comfort and helps them deal with things that are difficult to deal with.

And yes, it does get tiresome. But it is not going to stop.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Honestly I fail to see anything even resembling logic, if logic can even be applied here as to the point of this senseless act of terrorism. This is what happens when people try to "take revenge" for what's happened to others is you end up stooping to the same level of those who committed the acts of terror in the first place.





And now some are trying to place the blame on the infamous YouTuber "PewDiePie". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P53I8AlbhLI&t=113s

[Sean C]

What is surprising is that it took so long until a mass murdering of this scale took place at the other end of the spectrum of Islam-Nonislam relations. [...] The question maybe is: what took it so long to do so? Its amazing that it took this long.


A man murders 49 innocent people, seriously injures another 49 and your response is "What took so long?"


Really?


I don't know ... maybe it was human decency. Compassion. Rationality. The desire to be the better person - not to become what you hate. Logic. Or any one of a thousand other reasons not to commit mass murder.


Look, I don't like Islamic extremists or terrorists any more than the next guy. And let me be clear that I believe these types of people should be "terminated with extreme prejudice". But it has been estimated* that between 15% to 25% of Muslims are "radical". Given the fact that there are [or were around 2014] roughly 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, that means that there are between 180 million and 300 million radical Muslims. Sounds like a lot, right?


But that also means that there are between 900 million and 1.02 billion non-radical Muslims in the world. Odds are at least 75% that the 98 victims in NZ were peaceful, innocent people. And we know for sure that, at the time they were gunned down, they were not hurting or bothering anyone. Until we have evidence otherwise, they should be presumed innocent. Some of them were children.


I understand what you meant to say. I really do. But the fact that this sort of thing has not and does not happen more frequently is not only a good thing ... it is to be expected. Regardless of what the media might have you believe, I think the majority of people on this planet are rational, compassionate beings. At least, that's the kind of people I meet most of the time. (In my travels all over the world, from the U.S. to Germany to Japan and places in-between.) And it doesn't seem to matter what religious or political background they have.


Two wrongs do not make a right. If we lose sight of our morality, we will become nothing more than animals ... or perhaps, even worse than them.


*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

[Skybird]

A man murders 49 innocent people, seriously injures another 49 and your response is "What took so long?"


Trying that hard to give my post a spin? Claiming later you understood me? I think you most likely know damn well what I meant and said. This ^ it was not. And I do not understand why that reply of yours was needed.


Humans are emotional, irrational beings, and if one group notorioulsy harasses another group and commits gruesome crimes and atrocities against it and street shootings and mass murderings and terror attacks like we saw it in Madrid, London, Brussel, Paris, and so many other locations over the past 18 years since 9/11, then it is indeed surprising that this religious-political ideology-driven hate of the one gets replied by the others only this late with an according desire for retaliation, revenge, this time not based on religious demands and a prohet, but on racism and poltical radicalization. The latter may have been fundamentally helped by the strikes recieved of the past. Like Islam is a political, radically fundamentalist ideology, a certain dose of racism is part of the human nature and Nazi groups and extreme rightwinger are part of pratcically all Wetsern societies and societies beyond the West (even in Israel there are antisemit Neonazis, would you believe that). And so one had to expect that such groupos would turn villent much earlier in repoly to the terror strikes of the past years, the radical push to the politicla left, the Islamophilia of the Wetsenr public and the enforced mass mirgation from Muslim countries into the Western countries. Yes, it took surprisingly long for such a retaliatory act being carried out. I would have expected some nutties tickin out earlier. Years earlier.


And thats why I posted that pendulum. What swings left, must swing right. The real miracle is that it swung right this late, and not already earlier. I certainly have expected to see something like this in reply to the Muslim terror in the West taking, and I certainly have expected to see it already many years earlier.


Different to you I neither beleive in the strength of Western people/societies, nor do i believe in the good in people in general. I believe in some good in some people, that is my empirical life experience.

[Jimbuna]

Agreed. Shouldn't this get moved to the terrorist thread?

Agreed, thread moved.

[Jimbuna]

Australian Brenton Tarrant, 28, was brought to the dock in a white prison shirt and handcuffs. Further charges are expected to be made against him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47590685

[Commander Wallace]

A man murders 49 innocent people, seriously injures another 49 and your response is "What took so long?"




I think the majority of people on this planet are rational, compassionate beings. At least, that's the kind of people I meet most of the time. (In my travels all over the world, from the U.S. to Germany to Japan and places in-between.) And it doesn't seem to matter what religious or political background they have.


Two wrongs do not make a right. If we lose sight of our morality, we will become nothing more than animals ... or perhaps, even worse than them.



Very well said. I think your experiences mirror those of most people. Most of the people I meet are pretty intelligent and reasonable people, the world over. History has shown us in graphic terms what can happen when a class of people are de-humanized.

To be fair and clarify what Skybird has said, I think what Skybird is saying is that targeting a class of people is becoming more frequent. The newspapers are filled with this very thing. In Pittsburgh Pa, 11 people were killed in a Synagogue while offering morning prayers.

Dylann S. Roof, a white supremacist, killed nine African-American churchgoers city’s Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in South Carolina.

Most disturbing,on June 17, 2015, the Wednesday when he showed up in Emanuel’s fellowship hall and was offered a seat for Bible study by the Rev. Clementa C. Pinckney (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/us/clementa-pinckney-felt-called-to-spiritual-and-political-service.html?module=inline). Mr. Roof sat quietly, his head hung low, for about 40 minutes while the group considered the Gospel of Mark’s account of the Parable of the Sower. Then, with the parishioners’ eyes clenched for a benediction, Mr. Roof brandished the .45-caliber semiautomatic handgun he had smuggled into the church in a waist pouch and began shooting.

The alleged shooter in the New Zealand attacks mentioned Dylan Roof as the inspiration for his attacks. There are many other attacks and these are just 2 such examples that are hate based killings and attacks and classified as hate crimes and or terrorism.

http://www.live5news.com/2019/03/15/alleged-shooter-new-zealand-mosque-attacks-mentions-dylann-roof-inspiration/

https://www.thestate.com/news/nation-world/world/article227876899.html

I don't think Skybird was being callous. Skybird was discussing in a calm, clinical way that incidents of hate motivated attacks are on the rise. That's not to say these attacks are not sad or senseless. As you said Nathaniel and contrary to what Skybird believes, I think most people are decent, moral people. There are a small percentage of people that are dangerous though. I think we are all grappling with these issues right now, searching for the root causes and possible solutions.

[Jimbuna]

This is nothing short of a political stitch up and the scapegoat is hardly surprising.

A former British soldier faces murder charges over the killing of two people on Bloody Sunday in Londonderry in 1972. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47540271

https://i.imgur.com/sff8cDt.jpg

[Skybird]

I mentioned this author repeatedly in the past.



Hamed Abdel-Samad on Christchurch

Those who, after an Islamist terrorist attack, always emphasize that terror has no religion, have stated after the attack on the mosque in New Zealand that terror has a race after all. The same people, who rightly demand that Muslims should not be placed under general suspicion, are now freely talking about the „white man“ as a category.

We often tend to stamp a whole group either as victims or as perpetrators. But self-exaltation, self-flagellation, and victimhood are mechanisms to flee from reality.

Every person, regardless of race or religion, is capable of anything, both positive and negative. However, there are factors and thought patterns that promote hatred and exclusion, such as believing that one’s own group is chosen and above humanity. This thinking is common among Muslims as well as white men. The „white supremacists“ do not differ much from the „muslim supremacists“. Both are exclusive and believe in a world conspiracy against them. Both have a colonial project and dream of bringing the world under their control. Both hate each other outwardly, but in reality they inspire each other and provide each other with arguments for survival.

Modernity has massively weakened three pillars of classical identity: nation, religion, masculinity. It has enabled us to distance ourselves from these identity anchors or relativise them. Not many can live with this ambivalence. You need clear identity contours. The white supremacists and muslim supremacists are now leading a counter-revolution against modernity and want to bring this trinity back to its old strength.

The question now is, what do we have about identity models in the Islamic world and in the West in response to this counterrevolution?
The economic, political and cultural asymmetry between East and West is growing, providing more fuel for hatred on extremists on both sides. Education in the Islamic world does not manage to break away from this exclusive thinking and to open up to modern, flexible identity models. In the West, on the other hand, modernity and the Enlightenment are partly relativized in order to integrate inflexible and sometimes radical ways of life. This inspires both the white supremacists and the muslim supremacists as well as other radical currents - and weakens the sensible. We have expanded pluralism so far, but no common denominator for peaceful coexistence.

The problem is that our commitment to freedom is as weak as it has been in a long time!
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/hamed_abdel_samads_wort_zu_christchurch

[ikalugin]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47018747
I wonder how the two events compare in terms of coverage and the outrage.

[em2nought]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47018747
I wonder how the two events compare in terms of coverage and the outrage.


Don't stray from the mainstream media narrative man!
The answer is easy! The Philippines? What coverage? What outrage?



120 Christians killed in Nigeria within three weeks, yawn.

https://medium.com/@africaguardian/nigeria-120-christians-killed-in-3-weeks-by-fulani-terrorists-africa-guardian-ae9fe85badea

[Jimbuna]

Shamima Begum's lawyer visits Syrian refugee camp where she is living, but is barred from meeting her by guards.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/shamima-begums-lawyer-visits-syrian-refugee-camp-where-she-is-living-but-is-barred-from-meeting-her-by-guards/ar-BBUThpN?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Oh what a crying shame :hmmm:

https://i.imgur.com/EBTDPNm.gif

[Jimbuna]

A gunman has opened fire inside a tram in the Dutch city of Utrecht. Counter-terror police reportedly say it "appears to be a terrorist attack".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47611811

[HunterICX]

3 dead, 5 injured

Armed police are searching multiple buildings in the Dutch city of Utrecht after a shooting on a tram left at least three people dead and five injured.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/18/utrecht-shooting-tram-dutch-netherlands

Suspect is Turkish:

Utrecht police issued a CCTV picture of the suspect, named as Turkish-born Gökmen Tanis, 37, and warned people not to approach him but to alert the authorities if they saw him. They also appealed for witness photographs.

[Jimbuna]

They caught him last night.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47622916

[Jimbuna]

Not long to go now.

US-backed Syrian fighters are reported to have overrun an encampment that made up most of the last patch of territory held by the Islamic State group.

The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) alliance said militants refusing to surrender had pulled back to a sliver of land along the River Euphrates south of Baghuz, and that clashes continued.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47628209

[Onkel Neal]

I applaud PM Ardern's handing of one of the biggest's problems with these attacks: giving these crazy morons fame.

On Tuesday, Ardern went further, telling New Zealand's Parliament that she would deny the man responsible for the nation's worst terror attack in modern history the one thing he likely craved: fame.

"He is a terrorist, he is a criminal, he is an extremist, but he will, when I speak, be nameless, and to others I implore you: Speak the names of those who were lost rather than the name of the man who took them. He may have sought notoriety but we in New Zealand will give him nothing – not even his name."

I agree, I will never post or say his name.

[Jimbuna]

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) says the Islamic State group's five-year "caliphate" is over after the militants' defeat in Syria.

SDF fighters have been raising victory flags in Baghuz, the last stronghold of the jihadist group.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47678157

No doubt they'll be back.

[STEED]

Syrian Army ran away in letting these pigs in and creating their own hell hole lets hope they learnt their lesson not too runaway.

[Jimbuna]

Where is ISIS today?

https://www.mei.edu/multimedia/video/where-isis-today

[Jimbuna]

Oh what a crying shame :hmmm:

https://i.imgur.com/EBTDPNm.gif

It would appear she may not be as innocent as she claims :hmmm:

Shamima Begum 'was member of feared Isis morality police' in Syria

Shamima Begum was a member of the Isis morality police, a feared group which enforced the terror organisation’s strict interpretation of Islamic law, according to reports.

The 19-year-old British citizen, who fled her home in Bethnal Green four years ago with two other schoolgirls, has claimed that she was only a “housewife” during her time living with the group in Syria.

But according to a report in The Sunday Telegraph she played a much more active role in the organisation’s reign of terror as a member of the “hisba” – which metes out punishment to those found flouting Isis laws on how to dress and behave.

One activist quoted by the newspaper said Begum had been seen holding an automatic weapon and shouting at Syrian women in the city of Raqqa for wearing brightly coloured shoes.

“Members of our group from Raqqa knew her well,” said Aghiad al-Kheder, an activist from Deir ez-Zor who founded an anti-Isis collective that published information about Isis crimes from sources on the ground.

“There were lots of young European women in the hisba. Some of them were very harsh and the local population became very scared.”

There were separate allegations that Begum stitched suicide bombers into explosive vests, so they could not be removed without detonating.

The Mail on Sunday reported that the prime minister and home secretary had been briefed on intelligence received by the CIA and Dutch military intelligence.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/shamima-begum-was-member-of-feared-isis-morality-police-in-syria/ar-BBVUAYz?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

[Dowly]

Shocking!


**** her. (pardon my french)

[STEED]

^Funny how the TV media has gone quite on the BITCH!

KEEP THAT BITCH OUT OF THE UK!

[Jimbuna]

The moral being....play with fire and run the risk of getting burned.

[eddie]

She's scared because she knows her life is all but over. Revenge and karma are just around the corner and will pay a visit shortly I would imagine.

[em2nought]

Revenge and karma are just around the corner and will pay a visit shortly I would imagine.


It will just be some people doing something. :03:

[STEED]

Shamima Begum: IS bride 'given legal aid' for citizenship fight

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47934721

I AM DISGUSTED THAT THIS TERRORIST BITCH IS ONE STEP NEARER TO RETURNING TO THE UK! :mad::mad::mad:

What next open arms and here is a bag of money and free home! :mad::mad:

[Jimbuna]

I simply give thanks I'm no longer a higher rate tax payer.

[August]

There have been attacks in Sri Lanka against Christian churches on this Easter weekend.


https://nypost.com/2019/04/21/7-arrested-in-sri-lanka-easter-bombings-as-death-toll-rises/


Sri Lankan authorities have arrested seven people over a series of devastating attacks that left at least 207 dead and 450 injured on Easter Sunday. Near-simultaneous blasts hit three churches and three luxury hotels in the capital Colombo — the worst violence in the South Asian country since its civil war ended a decade ago.
A suicide bomber then struck when police raided a house in a northern suburb of the capital, killing at least three officers, an official speaking on the condition of anonymity told reporters.
Most of the earlier attacks — including another at a guesthouse — were also thought to be suicide bombings, the government said.

[Skybird]

In Sri Lanka, now almost 300 dead, hundreds wounded. Government confirms that by its knowledge so far it has been a local Muslim "extremist" group. They check whether they had support from abroad.


Since it were Christian chuch visitors and Wetsenr tourists who can be assumed to have been kostly Christian as well, this was to be expected. Still:


Despite the long conflict in Sri Lanka, that was kept under the carpet since 2010, this is indeed new news, since both Muslims and Christians are minorities of under 10% each, and violence between the two groups were rare in the past, the conflict since the 80s was a confrontation between Singalese and Tamil people. I think this speaks that there was ideological support as well as logistical support from outside Sri Lanka.

The many IS terrorists who were driven out of the caliphate in the ME recently, must have gone somewhere, they can not just disappear.

[em2nought]

There have been attacks in Sri Lanka against Christian churches on this Easter weekend.


Just some people doing something, AGAIN
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Ilhan-Omar-makes-no-PAC-pledge.jpg

[Skybird]

Another attack attempt in Sri Lanka, but police can detonate a car bomb under controlled conditions.

In Germany a "study" :haha: recently found that antisemitism amongst Muslims in Germany is only raising because the Germans do not love their Muslims enough. Apparently some Muslims in Sri Lanka have found out that if Christians do not love Muslims enough, it does not help to turn against Jews, but that you have to go after the Christians themselves then. What also is nice is that these usually turn the other check as well instead of striking back, while their church command always leaves them all alone with their dead and suffering, does nothing, and appeases the attacker.

[Jimbuna]

A wave of bombings that killed 290 people in Sri Lanka on Sunday was carried out with the support of an international network, officials said.

The government has blamed a little-known local jihadist group, National Thowheed Jamath, although no-one has yet admitted carrying out the bombings.

Another 500 people were injured in the suicide attacks on churches and hotels.

Police arrested 24 people in a series of raids and the president's office declared a state of national emergency.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48012085

No doubt the usual suspects will soon emerge to claim responsibility.

[Skybird]

From the Swiss Basler Zeitung: (google-translated)


The past few days have revealed a strange causality between the two terrible terrorist attacks on New Zealand and Sri Sanka. As it stands, the assassins of Colombo acted on behalf of the IS; as "revenge for Christchurch," where a neo-Nazi killed 50 innocent Muslims. But how can one come up with the idea of ​​using more than 350 dead people - which are still growing - after the attacks on churches and hotels even as a basis for comparison? That's a cynical conclusion, and one wrong one.

While it came to Christchurch from the Muslim world, how discriminating, even Islamophobic the West is; and while the pope and all senior politicians were saying the same (right) message: Islamophobia must be fought and punished; while New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who was a wonderful, unifying leader for her country during the sorrowful hours, was praised for even wearing a headscarf at the funeral - which was rather strange - now comes when many Christians in Sri Lanka continue to fear for their lives: just booming silence.

Tragic undermining of Christianity

Not a single high Islamic cleric has reflected the excesses of his own religion, no one has mourned. When Barack Obama writes of Easter worshippers, when German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas says the victims are "travelers and worshipers", then that is a tragic undermining of Christianity. It seems as if "Christian" has become a swear word in our country. This is a disturbing attitude, yes, a self-mortification: You are victims, we are perpetrators.

The facts are clear: Colombo was not an attack by a single acting, crazy neo-Nazi, that was a perfidiously planned attack on the Christians, on the West. A few months ago, the ever-coolly analyzing The Economist said: "Since 2000, more than 3,670 people have been killed in jihadist attacks in the West. In the same period, 119 people died in anti-Muslim attacks. "Something has to be clearly stated, in addition to the mourning for all innocent victims: Islam is the most bloodthirsty religion of modern times. The fact that we squirm, no longer dare to address this - and therefore trivialize with insane comparisons - is just as devastating.


https://www.bazonline.ch/19451559

[Skybird]

I complement the above text with this from the German Die Welt:





It is one of the most bizarre romances of the past decades: the love of many leftists to Islam. If their ideological ancestors once smashed "There is no better being, no god, no emperor or tribune", as the International says, the wind has now turned. The stanzas were rewritten.

One demonstrates with Allahu Akbar calling Islamists against the state of the Holocaust survivors and their descendants, sees in the apocalyptic Iranian cutthroat regime the ideal total anti-imperialist and chanting: "Hijab is Empowerment". At the same time, queer-feminist mother murder is carried out on icons such as Alice Schwarzer, and the liberal Imamin Seyran Ates is given the "haram" stamp: not allowed.

And now again Frankfurt am Main. The city has just recovered from the excitement of an exhibition on "modest" Muslim fashion at the Museum Angewandte Kunst. Now the next battleground is opened: the Johann Wolfgang Goethe University.

Because Professor Susanne Schröter invites to a conference titled "The Islamic Headscarf - Symbol of Dignity or Oppression?", Some students feel compelled to engage in a hate campaign against the head of the Frankfurt Global Center for Global Islam research. "Schröter go" is the name of the hashtag slogan on Instagram. "No room for anti-Muslim racism."

When Iranian lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh was sentenced to more than 30 years' imprisonment and 148 lashes, among other things for "open, sinful behavior in public without a headscarf", it remained silent. When her compatriot Vida Movahed was sentenced to one year in prison for her famous 2017 anti-hijab protest because of incitement to "corruption," there was hardly a breeze. Only when some experts come together for a free exchange of views on an educational institution, there are protests.

It will take generations of kitchen table psychologists to make this new left understandable. Is it civilization fatigue? Maoism-masochism? Stockholm Syndrome? One can only wish these leftists that they will never have to live in the society that they are summoning with their yelling.




https://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article192558611/Kopftuch-Debatte-Warum-lieben-Linke-den-Islam.html

[Rockstar]

It is one of the most bizarre romances of the past decades:Justin Smith wrote in his book, Irrationality: A History of the Dark Side of Reason. "The desire to impose rationality, to make people or society more rational... mutates into spectacular outbursts of irrationality".

[HunterICX]

It sickens me when it comes to our politicians and justice system that we're doing everything we can to get those who went on their Jihad to return to our countries to face a joke of a trial and sentencing for the crimes they comit against humanity yet those who fell victim of their commited genocide like the Yazidis we force to return to iraq as their asylum request has been denied.

I'm so ashamed of the countries we represent to be honest. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Well said Wim :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Runaway Islamic State bride Shamima Begum could face the death penalty for involvement in terrorism if she goes to Bangladesh, the country’s foreign minister has said.

Abdul Momen said Bangladesh had “nothing to do” with Ms Begum, and warned she could be “hanged”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/shamima-begum-could-face-capital-punishment-in-bangladesh-%E2%80%93-foreign-minister/ar-AAATahe?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Things aren't getting any easier for her.

[Skybird]

Its amazing to see how strictly countries in the ME and Africa block any deportation of asylum seekers who became criminals in Europe and are beign send back - or better, who stay over here years and years and years, no mmattert their legal status and refused asylum. But now we are expected to bring back a murderous, brain-dead band of primitive apemen just becasue they happen to have a German stamp in some paper. And many Germans even agree with that!



We shoukld be happy that thgweir leave and deeds identified thek for us so easiyl and we should do what we can to lock them out of the West.


I include females in that assessment. When the yleft Europe and joined IS to marry a murderous barbar, and in parts even participüated themselves in slave-holding and torturing, they became something not less terroristic than the male specimen of the IS brand. Stupidity is no excuse.



And quite some experts now have warned us very clearly that for thiose wanting to come back, confessing and regretting is just an opportunistic act of lying that goes easy with them, while their ideological world view is unmoved.


Let them stay out and rot where they are. They must not worry us. Its not as if we do not already have enough problems.

[Jimbuna]

Ah, so it's the UK authorities fault she chose the lifestyle she did :nope:

The lawyer representing Shamima Begum's family has written to the home secretary accusing UK authorities of failing to protect the east London girl from being "groomed" by Islamic State.

The letter accuses police and her local council of failing to safeguard the teenager, who left for Syria in 2015.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48444604

[STEED]

Ah, so it's the UK authorities fault she chose the lifestyle she did :nope:

Well that tells me a lot about that little bitch and her dodgy...:03:

[Schroeder]

Ah, so it's the UK authorities fault she chose the lifestyle she did :nope:
Hey, that is what lawyers do. They deflect fault to someone / something else. No matter how ridiculous it is.
As a former police officer you are probably very well aware of that.:dead:

[Jimbuna]

Hey, that is what lawyers do. They deflect fault to someone / something else. No matter how ridiculous it is.
As a former police officer you are probably very well aware of that.:dead:

True that :yep:

[Reece]

Looks like things are heating up between Iran and the US: :hmmm:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48700965

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/20/middleeast/iran-drone-claim-hnk-intl/index.html

[Catfish]

US: US Drone shot down over international territory.
Iran: US Drone shot down over iranian territory.

Cui bono?
US has one more reason for war.
Iran has one less airborne spy.

So ... :hmmm: need more data.

[Jimbuna]

Looks like things are heating up between Iran and the US: :hmmm:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48700965

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/20/middleeast/iran-drone-claim-hnk-intl/index.html

I'd have thought here was a bit more specific.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2614959&postcount=47

[Reece]

Sorry I didn't think it would be in that thread!! Never mind it is a terrorist attack of thoughts. :)

[Jimbuna]

A veteran republican who helped found the Provisional IRA has said Gerry Adams was a member of the organisation and described his denials as "a lie".

Des Long has given an interview to BBC Spotlight as part of its series on the Troubles.

He claimed he attended meetings of the IRA's ruling executive with Mr Adams, who was there as "chairman of the army council".

Mr Adams has always maintained he was never in the IRA.

Mr Long's allegation is made in part two of Spotlight on The Troubles: A Secret History, which charts the IRA's campaign of violence through the 1970s.

He said: "The chairman of the army council would turn up to the executive meetings. We were meeting at least every four months."

When asked who the chairman was, he replied: "Gerry Adams."

It was then put to Mr Long that the former Sinn Féin president has repeatedly denied ever being in the IRA.

He replied: "I sat opposite him at meetings. This lie he comes out with, he was never in the IRA, that's a lie.

"I'll probably get shot for saying it, but I'm saying it."

Mr Long fell out with Mr Adams in 1986 as part of a wider split within republicanism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49718168

I doubt this will hardly come as a surprise to a great many people.

[August]

I doubt this will hardly come as a surprise to a great many people.


No but do you think he'll get shot for saying it like he says?

[Jimbuna]

No but do you think he'll get shot for saying it like he says?

There is still a terrorist contingent out there even if not as active as in the past so yes, I think there is a possibility.

[Jimbuna]

'I've lost my babies. I've lost my friends. I just want to come home': RICHARD PENDLEBURY tracks jihadi bride Shamima Begum to a new Syrian camp as she says she's a changed woman (complete with lip gloss and nose stud). So do YOU have any sympathy?

In the corner of a cabin behind a wire fence on a sun-blasted Syrian hillside, a girl from Bethnal Green is perched on a sofa, regarding me warily. The first things I notice about her are the absence of a veil, the glint of a fashionable diamante nose stud and the application of what looks very much like lip gloss.

There is also the cheerful plum-coloured — rather than Islamist black — hijab. From beneath her long grey skirt a baby-blue nylon trainer is peeping. All these aspects of her appearance are new and unexpected. Yet her face is instantly recognisable. She is the British teenage Isis bride, Shamima Begum.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ive-lost-my-babies-ive-lost-my-friends-i-just-want-to-come-home-richard-pendlebury-tracks-jihadi-bride-shamima-begum-to-a-new-syrian-camp-as-she-says-shes-a-changed-woman-complete-with-lip-gloss-and-nose-stud-so-do-you-have-any-sympathy/ar-AAHQrCB?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

A few changes in appearance may well be just a smokescreen and not convincing enough for me.

[Catfish]

If she ever publicly (!) expresses shame, admits to have done wrong, and shows pity for the terrorists' victims there could at least be a discussion, but i do not think this is the time.

[Jimbuna]

If she ever publicly (!) expresses shame, admits to have done wrong, and shows pity for the terrorists' victims there could at least be a discussion, but i do not think this is the time.

Agreed :yep:

[Jimbuna]

The United States military has conducted a special operations raid targeting one of its most high-value targets, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State militant group (ISIS), Newsweek has learned. Donald Trump approved the mission nearly a week before it took place.

Amid reports Saturday of U.S. military helicopters over Syria's northwestern Idlib province, a senior Pentagon official familiar with the operation and Army official briefed on the matter told Newsweek that Baghdadi was the target of the top-secret operation in the last bastion of the country's Islamist-dominated opposition, a faction that has clashed with ISIS in recent years. A U.S. Army source briefed on the results of the operation told Newsweek that Baghdadi was killed in the raid. And the Defense Department told the White House they have "high confidence" that the high-value target killed was Baghdadi but further verification is pending.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-approves-special-ops-raid-targeting-isis-leader-baghdadi/ar-AAJpGpa?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Good news indeed if and when verified.

[Rockstar]

so much for the loss of influence theory.

[Jimbuna]

The fugitive leader of the Islamic State (IS) group killed himself during a US military operation in north-west Syria, President Donald Trump has said.

Speaking from the White House, Mr Trump said Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi detonated his suicide vest after fleeing into a tunnel, chased by US military dogs.

In an unusual Sunday morning statement, Mr Trump said Baghdadi ran into a dead-end tunnel in Idlib province, "whimpering, crying and screaming", while being chased by military dogs.

"The thug who tried so hard to intimidate others spent his last moments in utter fear, in total panic and dread, terrified of the American forces bearing down on him," he said.

Baghdadi, who was with three children, killed himself and all of them by detonating his vest, Mr Trump said. The blast mutilated Baghdadi's body but, according to the president, an on-site DNA test confirmed his identity.

No US personnel were killed, he said, but one of the dogs was injured.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50200339

I hope the dog makes a full recovery.

[Skybird]

He seems to have been killed, okay. Whether it really was like little Cesar said, is left open for believing or not believing, he says a lot on a day, and by now one should know what to make of his theatralic phrasing. On Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, it is a symbolic and moral victory in thje fight against the IS, not more. When somebody already lambasted that the IS now is defeated by this kill, that somebody simply is wrong. Its a symbolic, a moral scoring - not more. The danger by the IS is not affected by this, nor is it militarily relevant. For what it is: congrats! Some people in the intel and military did a good job.

[em2nought]

I hope the dog makes a full recovery.
I'm glad only one of the dogs was injured, and I hope he or she goes on to make a full recovery and eat lots of doggie treats. :up: If the dog can't work anymore and must retire, I hope Trump adopts him or her as the first dog.

[mapuc]

Russian military questioning it

The Russian military on Sunday questioned the official US account of the military raid that killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, saying it was not aware of any US military operations in the region.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-intl-hnk/h_a819629777b91c72f135a29aac4e9eec

Markus

[STEED]

Another bastard dead thousands to take his place.

[Jimbuna]

He seems to have been killed, okay. Whether it really was like little Cesar said, is left open for believing or not believing, he says a lot on a day, and by now one should know what to make of his theatralic phrasing. On Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, it is a symbolic and moral victory in thje fight against the IS, not more. When somebody already lambasted that the IS now is defeated by this kill, that somebody simply is wrong. Its a symbolic, a moral scoring - not more. The danger by the IS is not affected by this, nor is it militarily relevant. For what it is: congrats! Some people in the intel and military did a good job.

They'll soon have a replacement if not already but I'm happy to take the present win-win situation.

[em2nought]

Another bastard dead thousands to take his place.


At least this one won't be getting released to fight against us a third time. Thanks Bush! :D

[Jimbuna]

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) say their spy stole Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's underwear which was then DNA tested and used to prove his identity before he was killed.

An anonymous official told the Reuters news agency that Baghdadi had been given religious rites according to the Islamic custom and buried at sea.

A similar process was carried out following the killing of al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50218637

The moral being...never lose sight of your underwear.

[Aktungbby]

say their spy stole Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's underwear which was then DNA tested and used to prove his identity before he was killed.

DNA PROOF THAT YOUVE BEEN CREAMIN' IN YOUR SKIVVIES ON JIHAD PROVIDING EVIDENCE TO INFIDELS WILL SURELY COST YOU ONE OF YOUR 72 VIRGINS IN PARADISE...:Kaleun_Salivating:BUT SMALL LOSS; MOST OF 'EM CAN'T COUNT THAT HIGH ANYWAY:O: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/images/9/9b/72-houris.jpg https://stepfeed.com/this-muslim-lawyer-has-the-perfect-response-to-the-72-virgins-myth-2350 (https://stepfeed.com/this-muslim-lawyer-has-the-perfect-response-to-the-72-virgins-myth-2350)

[Jimbuna]

I've told the wife to keep a sharp eye out on her washing line :O:

[Jimbuna]

The Islamic State (IS) group has confirmed the death of its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and named his successor.

An IS outlet on messaging service Telegram said Abu Ibrahim al-Hashemi al-Qurayshi had been named new leader.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50254785

No doubt he will be counting and checking his underwear daily.

[Jimbuna]

I'm confident many of you will be aware of yesterdays terrorist attack on London Bridge yesterday where Usman Khan (28) killed two people and seriously injured three others.

He was previously convicted of terrorist offences and jailed, later being released on licence and having been fitted with an electronic tag so no doubt a far reaching enquiry into the build up to yesterday will be undertaken to determine what went wrong and how the system can be improved.

What I thought was mst gratifying was the bravery shown by members of the public in overwhelming him long enough for Police armed response officers to arrive and act appropriately.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50610215

[Jimbuna]

The first victim of the London Bridge terror attack has been named as a Cambridge University worker who was a "champion" for ex-cons.

Jack Merritt, from Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, and a woman were stabbed to death by Usman Khan in Friday afternoon's rampage in the heart of the capital.

Mr Merritt, 25, was a course coordinator for a prisoner rehabilitation programme, Learning Together, that was attended by the convicted terrorist and other offenders.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/first-london-bridge-terror-attack-victim-is-named-as-cambridge-university-worker/ar-BBXy35P?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Such a sad and tragic waste of life :nope:

[Skybird]

Just want to chip in a reminder of that Islam has nothing to do with it. Its Islamism, and that is something totally different. Dont dare to forget that or say something different. You would show intolerance, and commit a hate crime and religous defamation if you do.



And now everybody: "Islam has nothing to do with it." Repeat until turning dizzy.

[Jimbuna]

^ It is obviously tragic that this family have not felt any closure on their loss but I believe some credit is due to her murderer for actions that suggest he may have learned from his mistakes.

I fully recognise that is an easy statement to make but I'm comfortable standing by it.

[Jimbuna]

I suppose it was inevitable and only a matter of time before the political hooligans became involved.

A row has erupted between the home secretary and a former government minister over the early release of the London Bridge attacker, Usman Khan.

Khan, who was released from prison on licence in December 2018, was shot dead by police during Friday's attack.

Labour's Yvette Cooper said the government were "warned about the risks" of ending Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPP).

But Priti Patel blamed legislation brought in by Labour in 2008.

The IPP regime, which was brought in by the then Home Secretary David Blunkett to protect the public from dangerous prisoners, was scrapped by the coalition government in 2012.

In a series of tweets, Ms Cooper, shadow home secretary from 2011-2015, said the government was "warned" about the risks of ending IPPs citing a "lack of resources for probation, monitoring and rehabilitation".

The home secretary responded to Ms Cooper on Twitter, saying the law was changed "to end Labour's automatic release policy".

Ms Patel added that Khan was convicted before the Labour legislation was changed by the Tories in 2012. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50615928

[August]

I disagree, I contends he just likes killing.


This ^

[Jimbuna]

I disagree, I contends he just likes killing.

Well he certainly picked a far more appropriate target the second time around.

The technique he used to bring the terrorist to the ground was one usually taught the services (0:16).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_sV4wiCX9I

[August]

Well he certainly picked a far more appropriate target the second time around.
The technique he used to bring the terrorist to the ground was one usually taught the services (0:16).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_sV4wiCX9I


:D


Narwhal Tusk Surrender Bins Installed Throughout The UK
https://i.imgur.com/mai0mbPl.jpg
https://babylonbee.com/news/narwhal-tusk-surrender-bins-installed-throughout-UK

[Jimbuna]

One thing I didn't learn, how was it he was shot dead if he was overpowered and held down? Did they Dirty Harry him? :03:



During the struggle it is claimed the terrorist reached to open his coat and at that point one of the armed response officers noticed what he thought looked like a suicide vest, he followed the correct procedure shouting out 'BOMB' twice forcing the public to retire from the scene (02:54 ish) and his colleague neutralised the danger the swiftest possible way.

The video shows this happening immediately after the previously convicted hero was pulled off the terrorist.

[mapuc]

^ Better be safe than sorry

Markus

[Jimbuna]

London Bridge attacker Usman Khan attended two counter-terrorism programmes that had not been fully tested to see if they were effective, BBC News has discovered.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50653191

Unbelievable :nope:

[Jimbuna]

300 seconds on London Bridge https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/NNdZwVPPgP/300-seconds-on-london-bridge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8b-i_o1SdM

[em2nought]

300 seconds on London Bridge https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/NNdZwVPPgP/300-seconds-on-london-bridge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8b-i_o1SdM


Oorah! :yeah:


First I heard the bastard was wearing a "fake" suicide vest.

[Jimbuna]

"Fake" suicide vest? Seems like it worked pretty well to me. :D

:haha:

[mapuc]

Our police and our police intelligens have been busy today

Police in Denmark have arrested 20 people in connection with suspected preparations for an Islamist terrorist attack.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/12/11/police-in-denmark-make-arrests-over-suspected-terror-plot

Markus

[Jimbuna]

A man has described how he fought off the London Bridge knifeman with a narwhal tusk before pinning him to the ground to help end the attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50870309

[August]

A man has described how he fought off the London Bridge knifeman with a narwhal tusk before pinning him to the ground to help end the attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50870309


Unfortunately HMs government has just declared them to be dangerous weapons and have installed amnesty boxes throughout Britain!


https://i.imgur.com/mai0mbPl.jpg

[JU_88]

Unfortunately HMs government has just declared them to be dangerous weapons and have installed amnesty boxes throughout Britain!


https://i.imgur.com/mai0mbPl.jpg




Noooooo! They'll never take my Narwhal tusk. From my cold dead hands! :D

[Jimbuna]

I'm certainly not seeing the attitudes of those who would be relatives of the victims :hmmm:

[August]

I'm certainly not seeing the attitudes of those who would be relatives of the victims :hmmm:


Just a bit of dark humor, sorry.

[Reece]

Call it a weakness Dave! :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Just a bit of dark humor, sorry.

Agreed :yep:

[Jimbuna]

A man has been shot dead by officers in a "terrorist-related" incident in south London, the Met Police have said.

It is believed two people have been injured in stabbings on Streatham High Road.

Gun shots were heard just after 14:00 GMT on Sunday. Police later said the scene had been "fully contained".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51349664

Another one bites the dust.

[eddie]

Another one bites the dust.


Glad they got him Jim!

[Aktungbby]

Another one bites the dust.

Glad they got him Jim!"nothing to see here; move along...and don't cover your faces or we'll fine you!:O:" https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/16/moment-man-fined-90-hiding-face-police-facial-recognition-cameras-9571463/ (https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/16/moment-man-fined-90-hiding-face-police-facial-recognition-cameras-9571463/) He told the BBC: I spoke to a man who said, there;s facial recognition down there, so its a cold day ; I've [pulled my jumper over my mouth] https://i1.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/SEI_67642628.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C303&ssl=1and gone. ;Police officer;s asked me to come over so;ve got my back up. I basically told him to ******* off. I said I don;t want my face shown on anything. If I want to cover my face, I'll cover my face. ;It;s not for them to tell me not to cover my face. So now I've got a £90 fine. Well done.

[mapuc]

(Had trouble where I should post this comment)

I think most of you are aware of the aversion there exist between Iran and Saudi-Arabia and how they fight each other by proxy.

Yesterday the Danish Police intelligent service arrested three former Iranian.

They are accused for having spied on other people(the article does not mentioned which group of people it was)

They belonged to some group called ASMLA and they did it on the behalf of the Saudi-Arabian government.

A fourth Iranian have been arrested in absentia here is a Norwegian citizens.

As the leader of this Intelligent service said on tv.

Seems like they have taken their war up to us.

Found an English article

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-denmark-security-iran/denmark-arrests-three-members-of-iranian-opposition-group-on-spy-charges-idUSKBN1ZX1XL

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Shamima Begum has lost the first stage of her appeal against the government's decision to remove her UK citizenship.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51413040

[Jimbuna]

Emergency legislation to block the automatic early release of people convicted of terror offences has become law after receiving royal assent.

Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans told MPs that the Terrorist Offenders (Restriction of Early Release) Bill had become an act.

The legislation, which will affect about 50 prisoners, was drawn up following an attack in south London.

The attacker, Sudesh Amman, had recently been freed from prison.

The government wanted to pass the bill before 28 February when the next terror offender is due for release.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51649643

And not a day too soon.

[Jimbuna]

The US and the Taliban have signed an agreement aimed at paving the way towards peace in Afghanistan after more than 18 years of conflict.

The US and its Nato allies have agreed to withdraw all their troops from the country within 14 months if the militants uphold the deal.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Taliban leaders attended the signing ceremony in Doha in Qatar.

Talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban are due to follow.

Under the agreement signed in Doha, the militants also agreed not to allow al-Qaeda or any other extremist group to operate in the areas they control.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51689443

[MaDef]

Long over due, Should have happened back in 2011-2012 after Asama bin Laden was killed.

[Skybird]

With only bad options left, this was the only one left with a little sign of reason in it. It was another stupid war. Madef is right, it should have been stopped with Bin Laden's killing at the latest. Anything the Europeans claim they wanted to do in Afghanistan, is just clueless disconnection from the harsh reality.



I wonder what the Europeans now will say and do with the Americans leaving. Their presence is not maintained in autarky form the Americans and their logistical capacities and air mobility. I just hope the moral high horse riders in germany do not attempt to stay in afghanistan independently. But you have to expect just anything from them.

[mapuc]

I don't like the thought I got or have.

If USA have plan on invading some other country in the furture I hope they have learned their lesson from former invasion of other countries-Like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and so on.

Markus

[Skybird]

I doubt that, but their appetite for such expeditions seems to have gone. I think they will not embark on another such adventure any time soon.

If ever again. Their Heinsohnian war index is higher than the Europeans', but taken for itself it is low compared to that of some of their possible adversaries outside Russia or China. And who expected them to ever invade Russia or China?

The future speaks robot and remote-control.

[Rockstar]

I don't like the thought I got or have.

If USA have plan on invading some other country in the furture I hope they have learned their lesson from former invasion of other countries-Like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and so on.

Markus




Lessons? We dont need no stinking lessons! About one-sixth of federal spending is going to national defense. Our economy is sorta dependent on that now and would probably collapse if we reduced military spending to a reasonable level that would make more liable to mind our business. We need to something with all those new freedom bombs we keep making.

[mapuc]

Maybe not

Just wondering why we(´cause we are into it too) keep on loosing the peace.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

I don't like the thought I got or have.

If USA have plan on invading some other country in the furture I hope they have learned their lesson from former invasion of other countries-Like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and so on.

Markus
If the U.S.A. has plans to invade anywhere? It's probably Canada.
Mexico has to many guns in the hands of the Cartels.
Plus the border with Canada is much larger allowing many areas to cross over in a sneak invasion. An added bonus is a nearly common language.
:hmmm:

[mapuc]

^ Canadian Bacon came into my mind, when reading your answer.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

The U.S.A. don't need the oil from the Middle East.
But Canadian Bacon? Yeah. With the bacon craze in the U.S.A. it time to get serious!
The Bacon War!
:har:

[Rockstar]

You're right, Canada needs more freedom and democracy! "Like maple syrup their evil oozes over the U.S."
https://www-cdn.winshuttle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/john-candy-canadian-bacon_o_1589851-300x230.jpg

Let's get those Canadians!

[Jeff-Groves]

I think the 1st stage to invade Canada will be SQUEAL Team 6.
:D
Specially trained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAr8ELYCsfQ

[mapuc]

An off topic question

Didn't we have thread about the refugee and immigration problems back in 2015 and on ?

Since Turkey have open their border toward Europe more than 70.000 have passed this border and are now heading towards Europe.

Looks like a new crisis is on its way.

Markus

End of an off topic question

[Catfish]

Well if Erdoghan continues to bomb Idlib and all those other locations he does not talk of, and then add Russia flattening Damascus for no apparent reason other than to stop protests against Assad, and what happens next.. i can understand people trying to flee.

What should we do, in your opinion?

[Rockstar]

MORE freedom bombs!
https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/573638/burn_them.jpg

[mapuc]

Well if Erdoghan continues to bomb Idlib and all those other locations he does not talk of, and then add Russia flattening Damascus for no apparent reason other than to stop protests against Assad, and what happens next.. i can understand people trying to flee.

What should we do, in your opinion?


To be honest I really don't know and I don't know if all of them are Syrian refugees.

In video on twitter a Swedish Politician who are from Middle east asked in this video why those people in the video why they speak perfect Persians when they do not speak that language in Syria.

So the question is how many of these refugees are truly from Syria and Idlib ?

I say that a refugee have the right to protection, while there's a war or similar
going on in their country. When there's peace they shall return.

I could think of
Some kind of camps, which could be build here and there in EU, those camps(I'm thinking like military camps NOT POW)who shall give shelter to those who have fled Syria.

Markus

[Catfish]

MORE freedom bombs!
https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/573638/burn_them.jpg
^ yeah right :haha:
Bring out the dead..

[Catfish]

[...] I could think of some kind of camps, which could be build here and there in EU, those camps (I'm thinking like military camps NOT POW)who shall give shelter to those who have fled Syria. Markus
"When there is peace they will return". Yes they would, but neither Erdoghan nor Putin has an interest to have those people return as long as it destabilises the EU, and Syriah with Assad providing military access to the mediterranean for Russia. Also of course they want the EU to look bad, because it is an alternative draft to the century-old despotism and dictatorship they are so fond of.

Those camps have been "established", but not built following a standard with proper drinking water support etc.. And all fugitives are placed there, "real" fugitives and economical ones together. I wonder at which time some africans may discover China as a country to flee to, after all the latter almost owns Africa meanwhile, financially.

[mapuc]

(if you only knew how difficult it is to write something, when my cat is laying in her full length between my stomach and the keyboard)

Our expert say that this step by opening the border to Europe is a clear message from Erdogan.

He wants their fully support against Assad.

Markus

[Catfish]

Maybe he wants to reinstate the Ottoman Empire, there was no "Syriah" before WW1.

"When the war ended for some countries in 1918-19, it did not for Turkey, it led straight into the Turkish War of Independence (1919-1923). This, together with the secret wartime agreements between the British and the French to divide up the Ottoman territory amongst themselves sealed the fall of this formerly formidable empire, and led to the creation of the Turkish republic."

I wonder why Erdogahn would call just of all for the NATO to help though - only by using migrants as a threat against Europe?

[mapuc]

What I truly fear is that this Civil war in Syria will evolve into a regional war and later drag Europe and the world into it.

So far some of the countries outside have taken part by proxy, but I fear this will soon be head to head.

Markus

[Skybird]

^The bigger problem in that is not Russia, but Turkey. They really stirr the pot. They claim regional waters around Cyprus that are not theirs. They invade in Syria. They betray the migrant deal with the EU. They once again side with a fundamentalist Islamic radical militia, like before they lined up and supported the IS and provided IS fighters save harbour years ago on their territory.



They give Russia an easy trump card to play out. And Russia collects the profit wihtouzt havign to risk much of its own. As I see it, Putin lured Erdoghan into a trap. And Erdoghan stepped right into it. That this raises tensions in the western alliance as well, is a free bonus for Putin: plenty of uncomfrotabilities for the West. Diplomatically it is completely overloaded and thus taken out of efficient action.



I wonder whether Brussels will ever learn whom they are dealing with with Erdoghan and Putin. :haha: Just listen to the German foreign "minister". Menawhile, Super-Uschi will let Greta the Wise participate in the next EU commission meeting. :har: Populism and infantility all around in the west!



And the EU wasted years of time with idiotic illusions once again: a deal with Turkey! thats the same Turkey that sends gas exploration shops into Cyrian waters where they have no busioness to do, in ignorrance of maritime law. Now they once again run around like beheaded chicken. :yeah: Caution: there is a wall! Caution: pillar ahead! Caution: collision with tree imminent! Caution:abyss proximity! :har:



The EU reminds me of Pac Man in the labyrinth. Just that there are no power pills in this one.

[Jimbuna]

Erdoghan has a choice, he withdraws and loses face in his own country at a time when his popularity is nosediving, or he goes against Assad with all the force he can muster and risks facing the wrath of Putin in a military sense.

Either way he loses because I don't see NATO or the EU (not that they have their wished for army yet) doing anything that would escalate matters further.

His only saviour could be Trump but I doubt the US would want to exchange blows with Russia over a piece of desert.

[Jimbuna]

The US military has conducted an air strike against Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, just hours after President Donald Trump said he had had a "very good talk" with a leader of the group.

The US signed a deal with the Taliban on Saturday aimed at bringing peace to Afghanistan after years of war.

But a US forces spokesman said it launched an air strike on Wednesday in response to Taliban fighters attacking Afghan forces in Helmand province.

The Taliban has not commented.

It was not immediately clear if there were any casualties.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51735315

[MaDef]

That didn't last long now did it.

[eddie]

The US military has conducted an air strike against Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, just hours after President Donald Trump said he had had a "very good talk" with a leader of the group.

The US signed a deal with the Taliban on Saturday aimed at bringing peace to Afghanistan after years of war.

But a US forces spokesman said it launched an air strike on Wednesday in response to Taliban fighters attacking Afghan forces in Helmand province.

The Taliban has not commented.

It was not immediately clear if there were any casualties.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51735315


Then there is this Jim,LOL



https://i.postimg.cc/PxPKgvRQ/88123323-10157215593211051-5996046311135117312-o.jpg (https://postimg.cc/gXbvRjdx)

[Catfish]

"Xavierjinan" seems to be a bot, spamming everywhere :ping:

[Jimbuna]

Not any more :03:

[Onkel Neal]

Then there is this Jim,LOL



https://i.postimg.cc/PxPKgvRQ/88123323-10157215593211051-5996046311135117312-o.jpg (https://postimg.cc/gXbvRjdx)

Lol, good old flip-flopping Trump

[August]

Lol, good old flip-flopping Trump


I guess it depends on what you call a "very good talk" Neal. To me keeping the enemy distracted while an air strike is inbound is an excellent talk. :)

[Catfish]

^ Sure.

https://i.imgur.com/FBJ9XSdl.jpg

[August]

^ Sure.

https://i.imgur.com/FBJ9XSdl.jpg


That's one way of looking at it. If General Tarkin were a real person and not a fake movie character. Another way of looking at it is like a Democrat he destroyed Alderaans economy thereby increasing unemployment to 100%.

[August]

And BTW:


The journey of two senior Al Qaeda (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/terrorism/al-qaeda)-aligned commanders in northwestern Syria on Sunday was suddenly cut short by a targeted U.S.-led strike — only it doesn't appear that they were killed by explosives, but a missile packed with knives.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/al-qaeda-secret-us-missile-knives-hellfire-ninja-bomb

[nikimcbee]

Needs more antifa.

[Gerald]

https://i.imgur.com/R4FDdjv.jpg
Tens of thousands of people in Mozambique have been displaced by the fighting

Militants linked to the Islamic State group have seized a heavily-defended port in Mozambique after days of fighting, according to reports.

Local media say government forces that were in the far northern town of Mocimboa da Praia fled, many by boat, after Islamists stormed the port.

The town is close to the site of natural gas projects worth $60m (£46m).

In recent months militants have taken a number of northern towns, displacing tens of thousands of people.

https://i.imgur.com/cc8Zf7W.png

This was also one of several attacks on Mocimboa da Praia this year, as Islamic State-linked militants have stepped up attacks in the region.

The port is used for cargo deliveries to the oil projects about 60km (37 miles) away, which are being developed by oil giants including Total.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53756692?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story

:new:

[Jimbuna]

Threads merged, terrorism/terrorist related.