The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar [Archive] - Page 13

ValoWay

05-26-17, 12:35 PM

Let's post the greater level muslim discussion in the "all purpose" terrorism thread as Jim is asking.

source: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2486612&postcount=64

What is more narrow-minded?
To actually read the source-code of said ideology and find a conclusion based upon the content provided, or never even have read it and go claim those who oppose it are the ones being narrow-minded?

Yes, I did just claim you never read the Quran, and I do so with high confidence. Most non-Muslims who read it carefully and have a functioning brain can only come to the conclusion that the ideology itself, is evil. Yes.
The Quran suggests to apply the Sharia, for example.
Do we need to take a closer look at the Sharia, or can we agree right away that it isn't really that cool?

source: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2486457&postcount=46

You somehow ignored the point I was trying to make there. You're perfectely right that I never even bothered to read a single line of the Quran or any other religious books for that matter, simply because I don't care or need to!

What I was pointing out is that you make it sound like you came up with some sort of great wisdom or secret nobody ever knew about even when everyone had contradictorily easily free access to it for hundreds of years all over the globe!

You say that:
Most non-Muslims who read it carefully and have a functioning brain can only come to the conclusion that the ideology itself, is evil. Yes.

When you say that islam is obviously evil then you apparently must have some sort of better understanding than all of our western politicians and leaders in history ever? It is one thing to claim politicians nowadays only say what is politically correct, the western world, however didn't find out about Islam and the Quran just yesterday in a blog on the internet which is why I am inclined to question your claim that all of Islam unquestionably belonged to the axis of evil..

If it was really that obvious then our politicians were allowing, according to this logic, psychopaths to immigrate and live among us. To argue that there are extremists in every religion sounds way more feasible to me than condemning them in their entirety! :up:

Skybird

05-26-17, 06:08 PM

No, Skybird. What you are dong here is called revisionism, rewriting and falsifying history and that is absolutely not ok. Nor is it ok the way you consistently jump back and forth between "look at the past" and "let's not look at the past" as it suits your narrative.<br />
<br />
It has been counted out by hisotrians, believ it or not. Ten years ago or so, in the wake of the war 2003, it was in the media, and we even fought bitter battles about it here in the forum. The number of religious wars founded on and motivated by religious arguments, is higher for Islam than for the church, both when considering internal sturggles within the faith, and strugles fought between two different faith. Also, the numbers of people thatfell victim to the death tolls of such wars, has been pushed higher by islam-launched religious wars, than by church-launched religious wars.

Note that this means religious wars indeed, were the motivation was the religion in question. We are not talking about 1st/2nd world war, or colonialism and imperialism, political and economic wars. And even if you would count the death tolls of these , but then also Islam-launched but instrumentalised wars, Islam still would be a strong contender in the race for the highest body count ever. Estimations for the 1400 years of Islam'S existence range from low 200 millions to high 400 millions killed as a tribute to Islamization and violent subjugation and destruction of local home cultures.

Islam is the biggest and bloodiest military conquest story in the history of mankind. Its ideology is that of warriors and conquerors, and that is what it always has been, until today.

It also were Islamic factions that offered the French the slaves from Africa, which the French then turned into a business model to profit from the newly emerged market in the young United States. The idea to bring slaves to America, originally was a Muslim business idea, however. And you can see slavery being accepted and practiced in parts of the Muslim world until today. Legitimately.

-----

Revisionist I am, eh? Hehe, I have been labelled many things in the past 20 years already, and often contradicting names at the same time, but I cannot recall that I already got greeted to be a revesionist. Revisionism is a tactic of the victor to defame opposing opinions and and politically incorrect thoughts that are not opportune in the new world the victor has established or wants to establish. So I thank you, for you have made me a compliment by telling me I am in the good team of those resisting to the Zeitgeist destroying the Western culture in our present.

----

And this is from t he church congress in germany. A Muslim (!!) historian brandmarks the evil in Islam and condemn the damage the West does by always glossing over over it and ignoring it. IN GERMAN

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article164979723/Wenn-ein-Muslim-das-radikal-Boese-im-Islam-diagnostiziert.html

For the first time ever, Turkish propagators of DITIB seems to have lost their propaganda battle at these congresses. Usually they have an easy match there with their lies. Whoich does not stop both our interior and our financ e mionsiter to lectzure the Germans on how great Islam is and what in their sick, distorted opinions German can and must learn form Islam. These political gangsters make me sick.

Von Due

05-26-17, 06:29 PM

You have of course the sources for those numbers, right?

Now I am getting a bit impatient. See, in the middle ages there was little if any distincion between the King's will and God's will. To say that the Spanish conquest of the Americas wasn't driven by religious devotion from the soldiers if not the King and prospected governor is nonsense.

MaDef

05-26-17, 09:15 PM

How many times do we have to watch this dead horse get beaten?

Sailor Steve

05-26-17, 10:00 PM

You don't have to watch it at all.

Von Due

05-27-17, 12:37 AM

My point is, if that source can be traced to say... Tears Of Jihad, then here's a read
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2011/anti-muslim-inner-circle
As for Bill French a.k.a. Bill Warner there is
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/10/inside-tennessees-anti-muslim-slush-fund

There is this piece
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24864587

As for numbers, you can find that number to be from 5 millions to closer to 700 millions. That is quite the spread. As for ratio, anything from 10:1 for Islam to 10:1 for Christianity. Physics professors in Tennessee who have made Islam their special field of study tend to go for the former, mullahs tend to go for the latter. Of course they all are.

Onkel Neal

05-27-17, 06:59 AM

The ignorrant one here is you, ikalugin.

I'm confused here, why are you addressing ikalugin? Wasn't it Von Due who said "willfully or out of ignorance" to you?

ikalugin

05-27-17, 09:25 AM

I'm confused here, why are you addressing ikalugin? Wasn't it Von Due who said "willfully or out of ignorance" to you?
I think it was a non intentional mistake.

Skybird

05-27-17, 12:13 PM

I think it was a non intentional mistake.
Indeed. Please accept my apology.

I just type too fast, thats why this and my many typos happen.

Vatis1982

05-27-17, 08:29 PM

Crimes in the name of religion is probably the worst and most hideous thing that humanity manage to do in the long history of massacres and crimes.
By the way those Islamic crazy lunatics have first committed crime against their own religion. Quran has nothing to do with all of that butcher of innocents. Believe it or not I am a Christian but from curiosity I read something about Muslims and their holy Book. There is passages that claims Christians and Jews brothers of Muslims.
Knowledge is the worst fear of terrorism.

Nippelspanner

05-27-17, 08:47 PM

em2nought

05-27-17, 11:53 PM

Vatis1982

05-28-17, 04:07 PM

I can't even get a good Döner kebab, I think they're purposely holding out on sharing the one worthwhile thing they bring to the "table". :03:

In Greece we make it better by the way.
Gyros, Kalamaki or kebab. 😂

Vatis1982

05-28-17, 04:27 PM

Fact of the matter is, we have an islam problem. Amish aren't blowing themselves up killing innocents for God, Christians aren't blowing themselves killing innocents for God, etc. The Middle East is the way it is because of islam, not Christianity. Christianity has done more good for human kind than islam has. That is a fact. Please name one advantage islam brings to the west? How does this ideology benefit our western cultures, values, ethics, laws, etc.?

Nothing good comes from islam. Yet European nations are committing cultural suicide by importing en masse an enemy that has no respect for our standard of life, liberty or law. And yes they are the enemy - they are outbreeding us for a reason.

For me the question we have to ask ourselves is why we haven't any terrorist attacks before 2000. And after that we have a war for about 10 years till the killing of all Al Qaida members plus Bin Landen. After that we have suddenly "Arabic Spring" that leads to today's situation.
Why all the other Arabic nations didn't have that civil war except Syria?
Why for almost 5 years UN left all that fanatic lunatics to grow in numbers so now you have to engage to a global conflict to stop all that stuff?
And the last thing why almost all of the suicide bombers were from immigrant parents who lived in Europe for at least 2 decades? What makes them vulnerable to the preaching of those fanatics?

Again knowledge is their worst enemy.

Nippelspanner

05-28-17, 05:39 PM

For me the question we have to ask ourselves is why we haven't any terrorist attacks before 2000.
Islamic terror attacks are going on for decades. Educate yourself before you preach about knowledge.

Why all the other Arabic nations didn't have that civil war except Syria?
No others?
Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Somalia, Nigeria, Yemen, South Sudan, Ethiopia, ... enough?
The list sure is longer, my patience is not though.

Why for almost 5 years UN left all that fanatic lunatics to grow in numbers so now you have to engage to a global conflict to stop all that stuff?
So it is the UN's fault that trouble always arises in Muslim countries? :hmmm:

And the last thing why almost all of the suicide bombers were from immigrant parents who lived in Europe for at least 2 decades?
[Citation needed]

What makes them vulnerable to the preaching of those fanatics?
Them growing up without being integrated by their families, because their families never integrated themselves.
They isolate themselves due to their ideology telling them clearly what to think of Christians, Jews, and everyone in general who is not Muslim, as well as the west and the western way of life. Now, let's look at the Chinese, Japanese, Russians, Spanish, Italian, Polish, Finnish, English, American and all the other people from all over the world that live across Europe.
No problems besides the 'normal' crime rates among people.
But no ideologically driven mass murders. No beheadings, no bombs, no trucks.
Ever noticed that?

While they thankfully never give up their cultures, they (for the most part) integrate, learn the language, respect you and your way of life - not driven by an ideology that tells them to destroy all of it.

Young Muslims born into this country?
Chances are high their parents are not sufficient, let alone fluent, in the language of the country they migrated to even after 20, 30, sometimes 40 years - something I experience this in my country a lot.

Due to their ideologically motivated 'isolation', they keep among themselves, but never feel they are a part of their "home", so frustration grows, hate grows, the urge to resist, fight and change things - especially with young and energetic people that are easily influenced.
They look for solace, heard from their friends about this great Imam and his preaches. They go to the local mosque, mostly a small building, a back yard, difficult to make out, except you know what to find there and which likely has an Imam that is funded by an Islamic terror organization.
There he will get to know the pure form of Islam, with all the hate, violence, murder and the ever repeating order to submit and obey, and to go and conquer in the name of Islam, of Allah, because Allah is the one true God and you will burn in Hell if you do not do as he demands.

Why do you think they kick in the doors of mosques every day in Europe?
Even in my stinkin' PC country they do it - that sure means something!

Again knowledge is their worst enemy.
This is true, but for a different reason than you will ever know, I'm afraid.

The only chance for Europe to win this foggy war is to wake up right now and draw a dangerous line, with high potential of being hijacked by political nutcases. Laws must be changed, to the borders of what can be called "democratic" and what partially conflicts or contradicts what the west wants to stand for.
I don't want this, but at this point it is necessary if you want to win a war of ideologies after an infiltration has happened.
People need to learn about Islam, the pure Islam, not what some feel-good-pop-culture-'muslims' try to make you believe, while left and right the bombs go up.

None of this will happen though, don't worry.
Europe will continue to "solve the problem" by reminding everyone of us to "not hate" and "be strong" and "move on with your lives" after every single attack. Guaranteed!

em2nought

05-28-17, 07:51 PM

In Greece we make it better by the way.
Gyros, Kalamaki or kebab. 😂

I wouldn't say better, just different. I like both, but I can get a Greek gyro a bit easier. Although Greek food still hasn't ever been franchised properly in the USA either. ...and some places can't make good tzatziki to save themselves. :03: I had some the other day I think they made with mayo, ughhh.

Vatis1982

05-29-17, 12:53 AM

Islamic terror attacks are going on for decades. Educate yourself before you preach about knowledge.

No others?
Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Somalia, Nigeria, Yemen, South Sudan, Ethiopia, ... enough?
The list sure is longer, my patience is not though.

Turkey?
Never heard a civil war in that country.
Sudan civil war is for the diamonds. It's not for religion. The same goes with most of the countries you mentioned except Iraq and Afghanistan.
And I am not preaching. I just stated my opinion. If you have problem with that don't read it. Also you have a lot of hate and you must not judge not just a country but many because of some crazy lunatics.
It is the same as to blame the hole German, Japanese or Italian people for the WWII and the death of 65 million people because of that military lunatics of theirs.
Or the AustroHungarians-Germans-Turks for the death of 11 million people in WWI.
How about that?
Is that fair to you?

Vatis1982

05-29-17, 01:33 AM

I wouldn't say better, just different. I like both, but I can get a Greek gyro a bit easier. Although Greek food still hasn't ever been franchised properly in the USA either. ...and some places can't make good tzatziki to save themselves. :03: I had some the other day I think they made with mayo, ughhh.

The original Gyros is made of pork and rest of ingredients are :tzatziki, potatoes, tomato, onions and a lot of red paper.
Mayonnaise is used only for the chicken Gyros.

Skybird

05-29-17, 02:20 AM

Turkey?
Never heard a civil war in that country.
Sudan civil war is for the diamonds. It's not for religion. The same goes with most of the countries you mentioned except Iraq and Afghanistan.
And I am not preaching. I just stated my opinion. If you have problem with that don't read it. Also you have a lot of hate and you must not judge not just a country but many because of some crazy lunatics.
It is the same as to blame the hole German, Japanese or Italian people for the WWII and the death of 65 million people because of that military lunatics of theirs.
Or the AustroHungarians-Germans-Turks for the death of 11 million people in WWI.
How about that?
Is that fair to you?
Apples and Oranges.

And no matter how many or how few deaths there were in WWII, and who ever killed how many: Nazi ideology remained to be what it was and is: murderous, racist, evil.

Sudan was a centre of historic slave trade, later conflicts were due to various ethnicities demanding more rights in the central government and more help by the giovernment to develope in the local regions. The potential for conflict has systemtically been raised by people running a way of agriculture and lifestock farming - goats especially - that erode the fertile soil more and more and makes land that could be used for farming more and more rare. In the last outbreak of this old conflict,the central government unleashed the Janjaweed, a Muslim terror militia that commits horrible atrocities against Christian and other non-Muslim tribes of black skinned ethnicity. As of 2016 they have massacred close to half a million people in recent years, tortured, raped and mutilated scores more. The events are known as the darfur gencoide and are rated as genocide according to the international anti-genocide convention indeed. The frontline runs very well along racial as well as religious borders. Diamonds have relatively little to do with it. Not every African crisis is just about blood diamonds. The line of mutual antipathy and hate runs alongside ethnic groups that belong to different religious sides, and races. So yes, religion and Islam have something to do with this for sure. Also the traditional conflictline between African black ethnicities and Arabs. Arabs hunted black people in this region of the world and sold them into slavery since centuries.

And no, I neither like Döner nor Gyros, but Tzaziki. I happen to make one that people usually seize from my hands the moment I finished preparing it. :) Together with self-baked fresh ciabatta-style bread made with Italian tipo-00 wheat (pizza dough is made from this, usually)..

Catfish

05-29-17, 04:19 AM

^ So it is about hate between ethnos (is this word right?), because there are tribes with different viewpoints, maximes, religions.

It does not help that you only need a look at charts with those straight completely arbitrary borders, drawn by colonial powers still after WW1, straight through ethnos, tribes, disregarding natural or geographical outlines, that is also part of this mess if you leave out the 'civilised' nations' meddling and wars for resources, within "their" marked claims.

Skybird

05-29-17, 04:30 AM

The ethnic "tensions" especially in that region of Africa re much older than colonialism and imperialism. And they preced imeperialism and colonialsm in many other parts Africa as well. in most parts. Its just not opportune to say that. africa is always just the innocent victim. That simply is not true. Practically all major conflicts there are on the African continent, have roots dating back over centuries and centuries. Colonialism did not make it better, yes. But it hardly was the starting shot for all the barbary and ethnic racism in Africa. The influence of colonialism in the regioin called the Middle east, is more significant. And still: even here not the only dominant origin of today'S conflicts. Its not as if the people living in africa and the Middle East, all are saints and the better humans. Nonsense. Both Arab slave hunting and European colonialism added to the mess, yes, but again: tribal barbary and inter-ethnic hate and wars were preceding these already.

Vatis1982

05-29-17, 04:40 AM

Nippelspanner

05-29-17, 05:18 AM

Turkey? Never heard a civil war in that country.
Yes, Turkey. Involved in civil wars. Muslim country.

Sudan civil war is for the diamonds. It's not for religion.
It is still a Muslim country that is, like most Muslim countries, defunct and inept to get things under control. Weird coincidence that this is only happening in countries with a Muslim majority, right?

The same goes with most of the countries you mentioned except Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh really?
Nigeria - war for diamonds?
Somalia? Yep, lot's of blood diamonds there...oh wait.
Ethiopia? Ah yes, coincidentally another Muslim country in total despair since forever. Let me guess "It's all the white mans fault!" :shifty:
The list of Muslim countries in ruins, or going there, paints an obvious picture, but sure, look for excuses. Nothing to do with the ideology that negatively influences the cultures...

And I am not preaching. I just stated my opinion. If you have problem with that don't read it.
Uhm, no, you did not state "your opinion", you made claims.
This is a terribly bad try of back-paddling, really.
"You cannot respond to my posts, they are my opinion!!11"

Also you have a lot of hate and you must not judge not just a country but many because of some crazy lunatics.I don't have a lot of hate inside me, actually. But I sure learned to hate this venomous ideology that destroys everything it touches, sooner or later. Why is that a problem?
Ah right, it's "not OK, because reasons".
Sorry, facts do not care about feelings.

And why am I not surprised you repeat this nonsensical and wrong myth about the "tiny radical majority" in Islam?
Let's check some numbers (https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx), shall we?

It is the same as to blame the hole German, Japanese or Italian people for the WWII and the death of 65 million people because of that military lunatics of theirs.
Or the AustroHungarians-Germans-Turks for the death of 11 million people in WWI.
How about that?
Is that fair to you?
Apples and Oranges, but let's play.

All Germans? No.
All Nazis? Hate away.

You're not a Muslim just because you say so, just like you are no Astronaut because you claim to be.
You are Muslim, however, when you start to live by the Quran, and this is where my tolerance ends. This is something many SJW's and snowflakes still refuse to understand. If someone lives by "Mein Kampf" I am to condemn it, but I shall accept the Quran? Why? Because it hides under the blanket of religious freedom?
I say it again, you didn't even read it. Why are you even talking about it? You literally do not know what you're defending here.
And spare me the usual "my Kebab guy is nice, so Muslims can't be that bad!" Milchmädchenrechnung!

The evidence is against you.
All over the world, Islam is causing problems. Every day. Right this second.
Wars and terror attacks, all done to please Allah.
But somehow, it is not connected to Islam...

You can repeat this hollow phrase over and over, it doesn't make it right.
It has everything to do with Islam.

Skybird

05-29-17, 06:36 AM

Skybird you get the point right. But again most conflicts between tribes, ethnics etc is not because of Islam.
Just like Amistad. Tribes attacks other tribes and imprisoned people and they sold them to European colonists etc.
Unfortunately this is the bloody nature of mankind. We (western civilization) are not innocent in all of that massacres through centuries. Last example was the war of independence of Algeria 60 years ago.
Or the Indochina war, Vietnam war etc etc etc.
Religion is just an excuse.
I am (and de facto I were :) ) the first in this forum saying that Islam is a powerpolitical ideology before anything else, that deceives itself as a religion to make itself unavailable for politically opposing it. Muhammad cheated the people, for he saw that he could evade oppsiton and could enforce untiy by claiming opposition to him as heresy (a claim that was of lethal consequences all too often...). And he knew it.

However, the ideology is what it is by its content, and this content motivates and makes people doing things. And the conseqeunces are what they are. On this ground it is that I say Islam is lethally toxic and should be hidden from children and males.

Not all Germans were Nazis, some were, others were not. But still one cannot deny that there is a link between "germany" and "the Germans", and Nazism and what happened due to this Nazism.

Same must be said about Islam.

Ron Hubbard once said that if you want to become rich, write some bestseller - but if you want to become really infuential and stinking rich, then found a religion. The result was Scientology. I am certain Hubbard's words would not have been of any news to ol' Muhammad, this murderous desert bandit (to use Kemal Attatürk's words).

Islam declares a warlord and warmonger a saint and prophet. That is, on this fundamental and profound level, were the problem with Islam already starts.

Rockstar

05-29-17, 10:08 AM

This is the face, culture and way of life that is being introduced into [insert country here]. In my opinion the host nation must work hard to ensure assimilation and introduce better border controls. Or suffer the consequences as this new culture becomes more populous and dominates your political system.

Why Islam is Worse Than Nazism
by Serkan Engin

I am an atheist author and poet, who had lived as a Sunni Muslim for 23 years from birth, and I am still living in a Muslim country, Turkey. Also, my parents and all of my relatives are still Muslim. So, my critics about Islam can be easily consider this an inside view.

I know that the title of this essay seems assertive, but I will explain the rightness of this title step-by-step in this essay.

First of all, you have to learn about Islam that if you are an “outsider”, a non-Muslim, for example, a Christian, an atheist, a Buddhist, a Jew or whatever else, all Muslims have the “right” of killing and raping you, grabbing all your properties, your country, land, money and anything else. They take this “right” from the book of their belief, the Quran. In other words, they take this “right” from their belief’s core, the theology of Islam.

Here are some examples of this in verses from Quran.

This verse of Quran is about “all non-Muslims”, all “heretics”! — Christians, Buddhists, atheists, Jews, etc. — describing them “who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad)”

Surat Al-Ma’idah (5.33)

“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.”

And this verse of the Quran is about the order to kill the humans who left Islam, the apostates:

Surat An-Nisa’ (4.89)

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Look at the current situation in Syria. How can Islamist terrorists slaughter Alawite people or rape Christian women so easily? Because they take this “right” from their belief and they believe that they will go to the heaven because of these vandalistic actions against “outsiders”, who are out of Islam, who don’t believe the same religious tenets — in other words, those who are the “heretics” according to their belief. Some Muslims say, “But they are not the real Muslims.” That is a big lie; that is the exact form of real Islam, because these vandalistic actions are in accord with the orders of Quran.

You have heard many times that “Islam is a tolerant religion”. That is the biggest lie that you can hear all over the World, and this lie is used as a mask to hide the terrible face of Islam. There is NO difference between Islam and Islamism. This is the main error that the modern world make about Islam. There are not different forms as Islam and Islamism, they are the same thing, and they have the same content. This separation is just only an illusion, and it is used by Muslims to hide the brutal, hateful, oppressive,murderous, genocidal face of Islam....

Rockstar

05-29-17, 10:09 AM

cont. Islamic theology is based on the verses of the Quran and Hadith. Hadiths are the words and actions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and all Muslims must follow these words and actions in addition to the orders of Quran. For example, you have to defecate as Muhammad did, and you have to clean yourself as he did, or you can rape and enslave a “heretic” woman in a war as a sex slave as Muhammad did, or you can torture your enemy in a war to learn the place of his hidden money, as Muhammad did.

You “must” cut the hand of a thief as Muhammad did, not give him any prison sentence as do the modern laws.

You must stone a woman to death as Muhammad did, because she had sex outside of the rules of Islam (but you must only whip her partner a hundred times). If you are a Muslim, you can never set them free while considering that their sexual actions are about their own personal relations and freedom, in accord with modern laws. You must definitely apply the punishments of Muhammad such as stoning the woman to the death and whipping her partner a hundred times if you want to be a good Muslim.

You must kill the man who left the belief of Islam, as Muhammad did. You can’t say “This is his own choice and he has the freedom of thought and belief”, because it is an order of the Quran that you “must” kill the persons who were Muslim before and then left the Islamic religion.

You must kill all homosexuals according to the orders of Islam. No Muslims can say according to Islam that their sexual orientation is their own natural right, in accord with the human rights norms of our age.

You have the “right” to marry a little girl at 9 years old, as Muhammad did. In other words, you can rape a little child legally in Islam and make her a sex slave, and also a domestic slave till the end of her life.

You can lie alongside of your dead wife for 6 hours, as Muhammad did. In other words, you can rape the dead body of your wife for 6 hours after her death.

Here is Islam…Here is the “tolerant religion”…Here is the right way to the heaven…Here are the orders of Allah…Here are the actions of Muhammad…

You can easily see how civilized the Muslim countries of the world are because of Islam, such as Afghanistan, Nigeria, Turkey, Iran, Sudan and the others. You can see how much they have contributed to the history of philosophy, the history of art, and the history of science of the whole world. You can see how respectful they are to human rights, women’s rights, children’s rights, the freedom of expression and thought, the freedom of the press, the freedom of belief, etc.

The first genocide wave of 20th century, the Armenian Genocide, the Assyrian Genocide and the Pontic Greek Genocide, was perpetrated by Turkish and Kurdish people of the Ottoman Empire and the new Turkish Republic, getting motivation from the “rights” that they had because of Islam: the “rights” of killing and raping the non-Muslims, enslaving their women and little girls as sex slaves and also domestic slaves, and grabbing their money, houses and lands. However, “The Committee of Union and Progress” (CUP) (Turkish: İttihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti) was based on Turkish nationalism; they used Turkish and Kurdish people easily for these genocides because of the Islamic religion’s content about non-Muslims. All the Turkish and Kurdish Muslims believed that they would go to the heaven if they killed more non-Muslims, as do today’s Islamist terrorists.

The owners of the second genocide wave of 20th century were Nazis, as you know. They took the genocides of the Turks as a sample. It is know that Adolf Hitler said to his military commanders, “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?,” while they were talking about the reaction of the world about the genocides that they were planning to perpetrate.

Nazism was considered a legal and respectable ideology at the beginning of the 1930s, and then the world saw how dangerous Nazism was. Millions of people died because of Nazism, and today it is illegal to support Nazism in any civilized country. You can never make propaganda about Nazism legally. Today, Nazism is not considered as a genuine thought alternative, and it is not included in the freedom of thought and expression.

As I have detailed above, Islam is against the human rights norms of our age, and it has more dangerous content than Nazism. Islam is not a belief alternative, it is just a crime against humanity, and any crime shouldn’t have freedom in our modern world. So, Islam must be declared illegal all over the world, as is Nazism, because of its vandal content and commands that are against human rights. All actions about Islam must be forbidden and the propagandists of Islam must be judged because of instigating to the crimes of murder, rape, grab and crimes against humanity. Otherwise, the world will meet with a big tragedy when the Islamists will get more power, as the world suffered because of Nazism.

A socialist Laz poet from Turkey, Serkan Engin was born in 1975 in Izmit, Turkey. His poems have been published in English in The Tower Journal, Poetry’z Own, Belleville Park Pages, Far Enough East, Spilt Infinitive Lit Magazine, Empty Mirror, The Writer’s Drawer, Poetry Super Highway, Miracle E-zine, Industry Night Lit Magazine, Open Road Review, Shot Glass Journal, The Criterion and Mediterranean Poetry. Some of his poems appeared in Japanese in the leading Japanese philosophy and poetry journal Shi to Shisou.

Skybird

05-29-17, 11:07 AM

Rockstar writes from the depths of the former NORAD bunker under Cheyenne Mountain . :D

Schroeder

05-29-17, 12:00 PM

Jonathan Pie got it right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIvZ2EBqdEQ

Rockstar

05-29-17, 04:06 PM

Rockstar writes from the depths of the former NORAD bunker under Cheyenne Mountain . :D

I dwell in a place much deeper. ;)

http://www.livenet.ch/sites/default/files/media/39043-Gibt-es-ihn.gif

ikalugin

05-29-17, 05:54 PM

So you are writing from Russia?

Moonlight

05-30-17, 08:28 AM

^Nah you daft bat he's talking about the UK, commonly known around these here parts as Tartarus. :up:

Vatis1982

05-30-17, 11:04 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sudanese_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sudanese_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudanese_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_Civil_War_(2015%E2%80%93present)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War
https://www.brilliantearth.com/conflict-diamond-trade/
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/26/world/africa/blood-diamonds/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

And bonus this from Christian countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_Civil_War_(1947)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rican_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars

Poverty lack of education and warlords made that happened.Not freaking religion.

Oh and if i am preaching then you have begun an antiMuslim campaign.

Nippelspanner

05-30-17, 11:32 AM

Poverty lack of education and warlords made that happened.Not freaking religion.
And what causes Poverty, lack of education and warlords often, maybe mostly!??!
Ideologies!

Also, what about all other points? Not a single word I see.
Surprise.

You're still blindly defending an ideology you do not know.

By the way:
In December 2006, Ethiopian troops entered Somalia to assist the TFG against the advancing Islamic Courts Union
"Nothing to do with Islam".

Vatis1982

05-30-17, 12:02 PM

Nippelspanner

05-30-17, 12:40 PM

Also Kurdish and Turkish conflict is actually a war for Independence of Kurds.
You are blindly accusing millions of people for having a different religion of you because of some sick f.... s.

If I search I will find you dozens of war with hideous massacres from all the religions.

And that example I said about the Axis powers in WWII is not irrelevant.
You cannot blame millions of people for some sick f....s.
OK, seriously... you start to piss me off... :shifty:

You are blindly accusing millions of people for having a different religion of you because of some sick f.... s.
First of all, I do not accuse anyone blindly.
I accuse Muslims, on the base of their ideology, Islam, and what their holy book - which is infallible - commands them to do.
Deliver an argument why that is unreasonable, and we might find common ground for a debate.

Second, we're not talking about "some sick f....s" here.
Already, I addressed the myth about the "tiny radical minority" before, with a plethora of sources which you obviously didn't bother to check out, yet you reply (or rather repeat yourself), again.

Third, I do not have any religion.
I do not believe in fantastic fairy tales of bearded magical men that sit in the skies and promise us paradise as long as we don't masturbate, sorry.

If I search I will find you dozens of war with hideous massacres from all the religions.
Dozens? Cute!
While you will find a few incidents really conducted in the name of other ideologies in total, you still fail to see two rather important facts:

1. Quantity.
While other ideologies caused a few of incidents overall - Islam is doing this more or less on a daily basis, I think. Mh, not sure...
Why don't we find out? :yeah:
http://i.imgur.com/1NAMLYO.png
Oopsie! :roll:
2. Relevance.
How are, for example, incidents like the crusades relevant now?
Explain it.

Oh, and regarding violent religions in general... let's see about that (https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/other-religions-kill-too.aspx).

And that example I said about the Axis powers in WWII is not irrelevant.
And I didn't say it is.
I pointed out that your comparison is moot and actually supports what I said. I even explained it. Why don't you comment on that instead of just repeating the same catchphrases over and over? :hmmm:

You cannot blame millions of people for some sick f....s.I start to suspect you're not reading your opponent's posts at all, you just hit reply and rephrase what you said before.
What is your argument?

And yes, I can, and I do.
Explain to me why I can't.

Vatis1982

05-30-17, 12:49 PM

End of discussion. Play ball yourself. You hate Muslims. It is your right of course.
You are searching for a long debate. I don't have the time to argue with you. I gave you some links. You still have your opinion. It's again your right.
Find someone else to fight. I have some merchants to sink.
Aloha.

Nippelspanner

05-30-17, 12:55 PM

End of discussion. Play ball yourself. You hate Muslims. It is your right of course.
You searching for a long debate. I don't have the time to argue with you. I gave you some links. You still have your opinion. It's again your right.
Find someone else to fight. I have some merchants to sink.
Aloha.
Translation: I still don't have an argument in this debate I initiated and now try to weasel my way out because I realize I am embarrassing myself. :wah:

OK.

Vatis1982

05-30-17, 02:08 PM

You really have problems.Grow up.
:har:

Jimbuna

05-30-17, 02:44 PM

I'm starting to struggle just to keep up with this thread so can we all do me a favour and steer clear of name calling and insults please.

Catfish

05-30-17, 03:02 PM

Jonathan Pie got it right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIvZ2EBqdEQ

I do not want to put a smilie here for obvious reasons.
But he really got it right. Thanks for posting.

Platapus

05-30-17, 04:39 PM

I accuse Muslims, on the base of their ideology, Islam, and what their holy book - which is infallible - commands them to do.
Deliver an argument why that is unreasonable, and we might find common ground for a debate.

I will try.

1. The Quran needs to be read in the context of what each Surah is addressing. A common mistake people make is pulling out an isolated passage, removing it from the Surah context and proclaiming that "since it is in the Quran, it must be followed." which is simply not true. The Quran must be read with respect to the context of each Surah. This is one of the reasons why passages in the Quran are often repeated in several different Surah but not repeated in others. This is to maintain the context.

The Quran also needs to be read in the original language. This is why I have three separate English translations of Quran at my desk at work and I need to consult all of them in order to take into account the differences in translations. Sometimes I wished I had four as there are times when none of the three agree when it comes to translation.

Simply put, if you are not reading the Quran in Arabic, you are not reading the Quran. Since the vast majority of Muslims do not read Arabic, there is the Hadith or the interpretations of the Quran.

2. It is very risky, even for Musims who read Arabic, to attempt to interpret the Quran without using the Hadith. The Hadith is the closest document to the Christian Bible and like bible consists of a recognized selection of testaments and interpretations of what is contained in the Quran.

Like the Bible, the Hadith has its Canon and its Apocrypha. There are Hadith that are not part of mainstream Islam. Some of these more obscure Hadith are used by the extremists to justify their motivations. Other Islamic scholars deny these obscure Hadith.

While there is a set of Hadith that is commonly accepted, not every subsect follows the exact same list of Hadith. Even if the same Hadith are recognized, they may be interpreted differently.

Where there is conflict in the wording or the context of either the Quran or the various Hadith, Islamic scholars use what is called ijtihad which is a scholarly set of interpretations from groups of respected Ulama or Islamic scholars. To a greater extent than with the Hadith, there is wide disagreement, even among Ulama on these scholarly interpretations.

And this is just the tip of the Islamic iceberg. The important points are

a. There is much more to Islam than the Quran
b. The Quran is not blindly and literally followed by any Muslim. So taking isolated quotes out of the Quran and claiming that all Muslims must follow these words (especially if they are in a non-Arabic language) is a sure sign that the person is not knowledgeable in Islam.
c. Not all Muslims believe the same things concerning Islam
d. Even respected Islamic Scholars have disagreements concerning Islam

I hope this helps. Islam and Islamic politics is a fascinating but complex study.

ValoWay

05-30-17, 05:15 PM

here's more regarding the act of condemning 1.6 billion people (nobody ever wondered who those ppl are, right?)..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism#Religious_motivation

edit:
Even when most muslims, including women support sharia law it doesn't make them terrorists. This thread is a about terrorism and not about the question if Islam was a desirable religion or not..

http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/book-review-who-speaks-for-islam
http://www.gallup.com/press/178991/islam-west-clash-coexistence.aspx

Skybird

05-31-17, 05:28 PM

I will try.

1. The Quran needs to be read in the context of what each Surah is addressing. A common mistake people make is pulling out an isolated passage, removing it from the Surah context and proclaiming that "since it is in the Quran, it must be followed." which is simply not true. The Quran must be read with respect to the context of each Surah. This is one of the reasons why passages in the Quran are often repeated in several different Surah but not repeated in others. This is to maintain the context.

The Quran also needs to be read in the original language. This is why I have three separate English translations of Quran at my desk at work and I need to consult all of them in order to take into account the differences in translations. Sometimes I wished I had four as there are times when none of the three agree when it comes to translation.

Simply put, if you are not reading the Quran in Arabic, you are not reading the Quran. Since the vast majority of Muslims do not read Arabic, there is the Hadith or the interpretations of the Quran.

2. It is very risky, even for Musims who read Arabic, to attempt to interpret the Quran without using the Hadith. The Hadith is the closest document to the Christian Bible and like bible consists of a recognized selection of testaments and interpretations of what is contained in the Quran.

Like the Bible, the Hadith has its Canon and its Apocrypha. There are Hadith that are not part of mainstream Islam. Some of these more obscure Hadith are used by the extremists to justify their motivations. Other Islamic scholars deny these obscure Hadith.

While there is a set of Hadith that is commonly accepted, not every subsect follows the exact same list of Hadith. Even if the same Hadith are recognized, they may be interpreted differently.

Where there is conflict in the wording or the context of either the Quran or the various Hadith, Islamic scholars use what is called ijtihad which is a scholarly set of interpretations from groups of respected Ulama or Islamic scholars. To a greater extent than with the Hadith, there is wide disagreement, even among Ulama on these scholarly interpretations.

And this is just the tip of the Islamic iceberg. The important points are

a. There is much more to Islam than the Quran
b. The Quran is not blindly and literally followed by any Muslim. So taking isolated quotes out of the Quran and claiming that all Muslims must follow these words (especially if they are in a non-Arabic language) is a sure sign that the person is not knowledgeable in Islam.
c. Not all Muslims believe the same things concerning Islam
d. Even respected Islamic Scholars have disagreements concerning Islam

I hope this helps. Islam and Islamic politics is a fascinating but complex study.
Meine Fresse.

Hopeless.

Skybird

06-02-17, 04:02 PM

The big Rock am Ring festival just has been suspended due to terror threats.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40140968

At recent months' pace, next years Superbowl maybe should not be taken for granted anymore.

Rockstar

06-03-17, 08:54 PM

Well another attack in the U.K. by proponents of the religion of peace. Thats what happens when you accept such acts as the new norm and hope it just goes away. It doesnt it, it just emboldens other jihadists.

Islam’s driving goal is to destroy what it sees as the false and misplaced worship of all other religions. Until the day that everyone says, “none has the right to be worshipped other than Allah,” And so the fight continues against unbelievers and unbelieving nations.

Ibn Kathir lays out the prominent role of offensive jihad in Islam’s early days as he comments on Surah 9:123:

Allah commands the believers to fight the disbelievers, the closest in area to the Islamic state, then the farthest. This is why the Messenger of Allah started fighting the idolaters in the Arabian Peninsula. When he finished with them… He then started fighting the People of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians). After Muhammad’s death, his executor, friend, and Caliph, Abu Bakr, became the leader… On behalf of the Prophet , Abu Bakr… started preparing the Islamic armies to fight the Roman cross worshippers, and the Persian fire worshippers. By the blessing of his mission, Allah opened the lands for him and brought down Caesar and Kisra and those who obeyed them among the servants. Abu Bakr spent their treasures in the cause of Allah, just as the Messenger of Allah had foretold would happen. This mission (of world domination) continued after Abu Bakr at the hands of he whom Abu Bakr chose to be his successor… Umar bin Al-Khattab. With Umar, Allah humiliated the disbelievers, suppressed the tyrants and hypocrites, and opened the eastern and western parts of the world. The treasures of various countries were brought to Umar from near and far provinces, and he divided them according to the legitimate and accepted method. Umar then died… Then, the Companions among the Muslims… agreed to choose after Umar, Uthman bin Affan... During Uthman's reign, Islam wore its widest garment and Allah's unequivocal proof was established in various parts of the world over the necks of the servants. Islam appeared in the eastern and western parts of the world and Allah's Word was elevated and His religion apparent. The pure religion reached its deepest aims against Allah's enemies, and whenever Muslims overcame a community, they moved to the next one, and then the next one, crushing the tyranical evil doers. They did this in reverence to Allah's statement, O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you.

It is clear that Muhammad, and then his successors, Caliph Abu Bakr, Caliph Umar, and Caliph Uthman all attacked the surrounding nations offensively for the purpose of spreading Islam. These were not as is claimed by the historical revisionists, defensive wars. They were offensive wars whose goal was to force the victims to submit to Islam or be “crushed.”

Ibn Khaldun, the famous 14th century Islamic historian and philosopher in his classic and most notable work, the Muqaddimah says of jihad:

In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. Therefore, the caliphate (spiritual), the royal (government and military) authority are united in Islam, so that the person in charge can devote the available strength to both of them at the same time.

In his book, “Jurisprudence in Muhammad’s Biography” the renowned Egyptian scholar from Al-Azhar university, Dr. Muhammad Sa’id Ramadan al-Buti writes that offensive and not defensive war is the “noblest Holy War” within Islam:

The Holy War (Islamic Jihad), as it is known in Islamic Jurisprudence, is basically an offensive war. This is the duty of Muslims in every age when the needed military power becomes available to them. This is the phase in which the meaning of Holy war has taken its final form. Thus the apostle of Allah said: ' I was commanded to fight the people until they believe in Allah and his messages… The concept of Holy War (Jihad) in Islam does not take into consideration whether defensive or an offensive war. Its goal is the exaltation of the Word of Allah and the construction of Islamic society and the establishment of Allah’s Kingdom on Earth regardless of the means. The means would be offensive warfare. In this case, it is the apex, the noblest Holy War.

According to the Encyclopedia of Islam, "the fight is obligatory even when the unbelievers have not started it.” The concept of jihad in Islam is to literally attack unbelievers for the purpose of converting them to Islam “by persuasion or by force,” “even when they have not started it.”

Any book written by humans can be understood by human no matter what language its written in. That abomination these animals so revere ought to be burned. They want to live in the stone age send them back to it.

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 01:27 PM

Police have shot a man who attacked an officer with a hammer outside the Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris less than an hour ago.

The man shouted "this is for Syria" during the attack, the interior minister said. Prosecutors have opened a terrorism investigation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40178183

Nippelspanner

06-06-17, 02:26 PM

^
Good.

Skybird

06-06-17, 02:34 PM

Seems some Algerian wanted to hammer home the message of peace for Syria, and failed, so to speak. :D

STEED

06-06-17, 02:44 PM

Seems some Algerian wanted to hammer home the message of peace for Syria, and failed, so to speak. :D

Who said Germans have no sense of sarcastic wit. :03:

Skybird

06-06-17, 02:53 PM

While reality often is dirty, no sarcasm can rival reality. The guy should have yelled "This is for Syria", or not?

The Tzar once sold Alaska to America for 5000 dollars or so, but this does not mean that Syria can be had for just a hammer. We have had inflation since then.

Jimbuna

06-06-17, 03:08 PM

Looks like the assailant has survived.

Skybird

06-07-17, 04:22 AM

Gun attacks and suicide bombs in - Teheran. :doh:

Welcome to the party.

IS claims responsibility.

Von Due

06-07-17, 04:53 AM

No surprise really. One is, Iranian border patrols have been fighting ISIS for quite some time, police intel and military intel have co-worked on fighting ISIS inside the borders, Iran is involved in Syria against among others ISIS, the Iran-Qatar relationship is not as friendly as depicted in our media (call it an uneasy, nervous "eternal friendship"). Another thing is, while ISIS have claimed responsibility, no evidence of their involvement has been found as far as I could make out. ISIS are in a habit of "over claiming" for propaganda purposes but that doen't mean they are not responsible for this.

Saudi news http://www.arabnews.com/node/1111296/middle-east
Iranian news https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2017/06/07/1429695/unknown-gunmen-attack-mausoleum-of-imam-khomeini-south-of-tehran-update

Onkel Neal

06-18-17, 08:48 PM

This just in: London vehicle hits pedestrians, police say 'number of casualties' (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/18/europe/urgent---london-vehicle-collision/index.html)

"If you were interested in targeting a group of Muslims at a mosque that was notorious, this would be the mosque you would do it at. I think it's significant that they had the reputation historically of being one of the most militant mosques in London. And that reputation may be more historical than current," he said.

Gerald

06-18-17, 11:29 PM

A man has died and eight people have been injured after a van struck a crowd of pedestrians near a north London mosque.
A 48-year-old man was arrested following the collision just after midnight near Finsbury Park Mosque in Seven Sisters Road.
Counter terrorism officers are at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40322960

What weird world we are living in now.:nope:

Cybermat47

06-18-17, 11:38 PM

Disgusting... some idiot's idea of revenge.

Gerald

06-18-17, 11:56 PM

Update:Muslim Council calls for extra security
Posted at
6:49
The Muslim Council of Britain has called for extra security around mosques.

The council's secretary general, Harun Khan, said he expected authorities to step up security "as a matter of urgency", adding many would feel "terrorised" following the incident outside the Muslim Welfare House in Seven Sisters Road.

eddie

06-19-17, 03:32 AM

em2nought

06-19-17, 04:06 AM

US downs Syrian jet near Raqqa. The jet was bombing US allies fighting against Deash, and decided that was not going to happen anymore. A US F18 took the SU-22 out of the sky.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-warplane-shoots-down-syrian-jet-near-raqqah/ar-BBCRhpv

What a mess that place is, thinking about what idiots our media are I sure hope we don't end up prodded like cattle into WW3.

Skybird

06-19-17, 04:13 AM

What a mess that place is, thinking about what idiots our media are I sure hope we don't end up prodded like cattle into WW3.
One could argue that Muhammad's followers are at war with all non-Muslim mankind since one and a half millenia already. Temporary seize-fires due to own insufficient power should not be mistaken with peace. Muhammad himself demanded that seize fires should only last as long as was needed to recover the needed strength, and that there shall be no latsing periods of peace ever.

You want peace? Submit.

em2nought

06-19-17, 04:35 AM

One could argue that Muhammad's followers are at war with all non-Muslim mankind since one and a half millenia already. Temporary seize-fires due to own insufficient power should not be mistaken with peace. Muhammad himself demanded that seize fires should only last as long as was needed to recover the needed strength, and that there shall be no latsing periods of peace ever.

You want peace? Submit.

I meant more likely we end up prodded into a war with Russia (who our media hate ever since they gave up that communism thing). Islam will be left to reap the reward.

Skybird

06-19-17, 04:36 AM

The attack in London today seems to be a revenge attack. Honestly said, I almost waited for such a thing to happen. Maybe it is surprising that it did not happen earlier already.

Skybird

06-19-17, 04:40 AM

I meant more likely we end up prodded into a war with Russia .
Not intentionally. I assume the US military would launch a coup against Trump if he goes that far. And Putin calculates way too cooly as if he could trigger WWIII over emotional arousals.

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 04:52 AM

Disgusting... some idiot's idea of revenge.

Agreed but sadly, predictable and inevitable.

em2nought

06-19-17, 04:55 AM

Not intentionally. I assume the US military would launch a coup against Trump if he goes that far. And Putin calculates way too cooly as if he could trigger WWIII over emotional arousals.

Our military cast 3 votes for Trump for every vote cast for Hillary. :03:

Schroeder

06-19-17, 05:38 AM

Great, now "we" start to do the same type of crap. Two wrongs don't make a right.:/\\!!
This kind of action is just as despicable as all the other terror attacks.

Moonlight

06-19-17, 06:00 AM

The Muslim Council of Britain has called for extra security around mosques.

The council's secretary general, Harun Khan, said he expected authorities to step up security "as a matter of urgency", adding many would feel "terrorised" following the incident outside the Muslim Welfare House in Seven Sisters Road.

Excuse my French you daft pillock but this is an over reaction to a lone terrorist attack and I do stress the word "Lone". :doh: I don't recall any extra security around churches and cathedrals being called for in the past so why should they do this for mosques, get a bleeding grip man because what's needed now is calm heads and not some over excitable Muslim Council secretary general. :o

Also on the matter of "feeling terrorised" Mr Harun Khan, how do you think the British people feel when members of your muslim communities go around murdering innocent civilians, the pot calling the kettle black springs to mind me thinks. :yep:

Onkel Neal

06-19-17, 06:34 AM

Great, now "we" start to do the same type of crap. Two wrongs don't make a right.:/\\!!
This kind of action is just as despicable as all the other terror attacks.

Yes, especially when it is as indiscriminate as the muslim terror attacks. These revenge attacks likely affect people who are not radicals, merely innocent bystanders.

Skybird

06-19-17, 08:21 AM

Yes, especially when it is as indiscriminate as the muslim terror attacks. These revenge attacks likely affect people who are not radicals, merely innocent bystanders.

This apparent revenge attacker maybe was affected by Muslim attacks in the first as well. A community that hides that over 220 demands and calls for violence to be used in defence as well as offence and supression against infidels are hidden in the Quran, and always weasels about terror done in reference to these Quranic demands, does not win itself many new friends...

mapuc

06-19-17, 11:29 AM

What a mess that place is, thinking about what idiots our media are I sure hope we don't end up prodded like cattle into WW3.

This article from the Swedish news paper aftonbladet.se was available about 2 pm.

(have used translate)
"
Russia: We will see the US-backed air as enemy targets
The conflict between Russia and the United States in the war in Syria is stepping up.
After the United States shot down a Syrian bomber yesterday interrupts Russia information cooperation - and will now see the US-backed warplanes as enemy targets.
"It's an aggression," says a senior Russian diplomat.

Russian Defense Ministry said that the United States never alerted when yesterday shot down a Syrian fighter near Tabqa in Syria.
After yesterday's event, Russia will see all US-based fighter aircraft west of the Euphrates River as targets, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense, according to the news agency AP

It also ends the cooperation between the two superpowers had gone to coordinate the fighting against terrorist sect IS.
"

There was a lot more to read in this article. I only toke the top of it.
Maybe there will be an English version of this Press meeting with the Russian Minister of Defense

Markus

Catfish

06-19-17, 11:34 AM

Was the shooting down a presidential order, or did it happen "accidentally"?

I mean attacking the western anti-IS coalition would probably not go without retaliation. My take is that especially Syriah thinks it will profit from a US-Russian conflict, which is why Assad is trying to provoke all the time. Just like Erdoghan i might say.

mapuc

06-19-17, 11:45 AM

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 12:36 PM

Great, now "we" start to do the same type of crap. Two wrongs don't make a right.:/\\!!
This kind of action is just as despicable as all the other terror attacks.

Agreed :yep:

Nippelspanner

06-19-17, 12:57 PM

Great, now "we" start to do the same type of crap. Two wrongs don't make a right.:/\\!!
This kind of action is just as despicable as all the other terror attacks.
Mh, I don't think that really applies here.

"We" do not follow some radical ideology that tells us to kill anyone.
"They" do, however.

Edit: My point is, the guy didn't act in the name of some ideology, he's a different type of idiot and surely does not belong to "us".

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 01:33 PM

The man arrested on suspicion of carrying out a terror attack near a north London mosque is 47 year old Darren Osborne from Cardiff, the BBC understands.

Jimbuna

06-19-17, 03:13 PM

Will Russia give air support to Syrian bomberplane ?

Will we see Russian fighter Jet protecting Syrian fighter plane, when they are making bombing rounds ?(sorry couldn't suddenly not remember who the sentence was written)

Markus

Russia stopped short of openly saying it would shoot down coalition aircraft.

"Any aircraft, including planes and drones belonging to the international coalition operating west of the River Euphrates, will be tracked by Russian anti-aircraft forces in the sky and on the ground and treated as targets,"

ikalugin

06-19-17, 04:12 PM

I think the current ROE are to prosecute targets that present a threat to Russian forces in theatre. This implies that we track stuff in our areas of operations. SAAF is another matter, though it appears that we may run some escort missions for them with the limited assets that we have in the area.

mapuc

06-19-17, 04:29 PM

The bottom line is..I'm trying to understand what this mean military and politically

I do understand Russia hasn't declared war on USA and its allied. Is it indirectly ?

´cause if USA and its allied has to send their fighter jets to west of the River Euphrates, , they will send their fighter jet to that area

Markus

ikalugin

06-19-17, 05:50 PM

In a way it is a 3+ way proxy war in the region. We have our own allies (SAA, Iranians, etc), whom we support but not unconditionally. As long as we don't get hit directly, ultimately, we don't really care. On the other hand attacks on the SAA make us look bad so we have to do something.

Agiel7

06-19-17, 09:18 PM

It would seem to me that a hot air war over Syria would be a non-starter for the Russians if only because of geography. In any case this incident seems far less serious than the Sharyat Tomahawk strike given that that was a mission personally authorised by Trump that resulted in far greater loss in life and materiel, so one hopes people can pull back from the brink just as easily.

Skybird

06-20-17, 05:01 AM

Australia has suspended its flights over Syria. If I were a Russian general, I would grin now: "Gotcha!"

MaDef

06-20-17, 08:33 AM

Australia has suspended its flights over Syria. If I were a Russian general, I would grin now: "Gotcha!"Don't know how much of a gotcha that is, Australia only has 8 planes that are operating mostly in Iraq.

Skybird

06-20-17, 09:52 AM

^ Its about the signal, the political message.

Skybird

06-20-17, 02:33 PM

And now the US has shot down a drone over Syria.The news reports are conflicting. Some make it appear as an Iranian controlled drone operating over Syria, others describe it as an Iran-made drone operated by Syria. So, Iran- or Syria-owned it is, Iran-made in both cases it is. The drone should have shown hostile behaviour towards IS allies on the ground.

Skybird

06-20-17, 02:38 PM

Apparent terror attack at Grand Central Staton in Brussels. Police should have shot down a man with an explosive belt. Another explosion was to be heared, according to Belgian media.

ikalugin

06-21-17, 05:26 AM

http://www.interfax.ru/world/567501
In the other news - it appears that NATO combat aircraft were trying to inrercept the MoD's aircraft over the neutral waters.

August

06-21-17, 06:53 AM

http://www.interfax.ru/world/567501
In the other news - it appears that NATO combat aircraft were trying to inrercept the MoD's aircraft over the neutral waters.

Oh yeah because those Air Force RC-135's are so acrobatic that they could intercept a Russian fighter jet. Totally believable!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/20/politics/russian-su-27-five-feet-from-us-aircraft/index.html

ikalugin

06-21-17, 07:22 AM

Moonlight

06-21-17, 09:10 AM

What type of weapons was it displaying then?......vodka bottles. :O:

August

06-21-17, 01:53 PM

MoD's as in the aircraft carrying minister for defense (hence why it had escorting fighters), you can see the event as filmed by Zvezda crew on the aircraft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCROh09OPzY
The escorting Flanker demonstates weapons at 000020 or so

Maybe they were just saying hello from the crew of that RC-135 that your fighters buzzed. Are you saying the high stakes game of Chicken has soured now that we're playing by your rules?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH2ex69GGPY

mapuc

06-21-17, 03:11 PM

Earlier today I saw someone posted an article about ISIS

The headline said something about-ISIS are near defeat in Syria and Iraq, but are about to win the war in Europe.

Markus

ikalugin

06-21-17, 06:51 PM

Maybe they were just saying hello from the crew of that RC-135 that your fighters buzzed. Are you saying the high stakes game of Chicken has soured now that we're playing by your rules?My personal opinion is that there is an intrinsic difference between an intercept of a recon plane (a military aircraft conducting a military task) and an intercept of a civilian airliner carrying a high ranking official (who just happens to participate in say nuclear decision making) and a bunch of civies (ie Zvezda reporters).

ikalugin

06-21-17, 07:01 PM

Earlier today I saw someone posted an article about ISIS

The headline said something about-ISIS are near defeat in Syria and Iraq, but are about to win the war in Europe.

Markus
In order to win the war in Europe they either need to actually subvert local goverments or gain terrotorial control directly. I do not see either happening, the terrorists attacks while regretable, do not signal territorial control of the goverment subversion.

August

06-21-17, 08:31 PM

My personal opinion is that there is an intrinsic difference between an intercept of a recon plane (a military aircraft conducting a military task) and an intercept of a civilian airliner carrying a high ranking official (who just happens to participate in say nuclear decision making) and a bunch of civies (ie Zvezda reporters).

We used to think that as well until somebody flew several airliners full of civilians into buildings, but be that as it may you guys started this latest game of high stakes chicken, you've been playing it a lot lately and your MoD has to be approving it if not authorizing it. So I guess that was just our sides way of giving him a little taste of his own medicine.

ikalugin

06-22-17, 09:14 AM

We used to think that as well until somebody flew several airliners full of civilians into buildings, but be that as it may you guys started this latest game of high stakes chicken, you've been playing it a lot lately and your MoD has to be approving it if not authorizing it. So I guess that was just our sides way of giving him a little taste of his own medicine.
I see, I guess escalation is nothing unexpected under the new US leadership.

Makes me wonder if we would shift from conducting valid defense interception missions to political statements and intercept Airforce-1.

August

06-22-17, 05:59 PM

I see, I guess escalation is nothing unexpected under the new US leadership.

I guess not. Maybe next time your side will think twice about buzzing our ships and aircraft now that you've been served notice that we're not going to just roll over and take it anymore.

Makes me wonder if we would shift from conducting valid defense interception missions to political statements and intercept Airforce-1.

Haha, well that might not be so healthy for your pilots but I suppose that you could try. :shucks:

Nippelspanner

06-22-17, 06:35 PM

What does "my Dad is stronger than your dad!!1" has to do with (Islamic) terrorism?

ikalugin

06-24-17, 05:40 AM

What does "my Dad is stronger than your dad!!1" has to do with (Islamic) terrorism?
Nothing.

Everything.

eddie

07-13-17, 10:13 PM

This link to Fox News show Iraqi soldiers taking revenge on suspected members of ISIS in Mosul. The video shows them doing it and is pretty graphic, so be warned. The video doesn't automatically play, but it is located on the page. Part of me is disgusted, the other part says Daesh did worse to women and children. So good riddance!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/13/mosul-killing-video-footage-purportedly-showing-iraqis-getting-revenge-on-isis-militants-sparks-probe-outcry.html

Moonlight

07-14-17, 08:00 AM

What did the IS members expect, a slap on the wrist and a warning to be good little muslims in the future?.
I'm sure the Iraqi government will begin an investigation and then quietly end it almost immediately, these IS fighters knew there time was up over a year ago but they still fought on to the very end, they were never going to be de-radicalised so this was a fitting martyrs death for them, its much better than rotting in a prison cell for the rest of their natural life isn't it.

Skybird

07-28-17, 04:57 PM

New Muslim terror strike in Germany. The mayor of Hamburg calls it a "malicious attack" by a "foreigner obliged to leave the country" who was "known to the police to be an Islamist" when this piece of dirt stormed into a supermarket in Hamburg with a big kitchen knife and started to stab people at random, killing one and seriously injuring another half a dozen. Witnesses confirm that after this he ran on the street and shouted "Allahu Akhbar". Police earlier this day insisted to investigate at all directions, but the plot thickens that this was another - and quite tpyical - terror attack by a "single, radicalised Muslim". A pattern. Or in plain German: Islam as a whole has nothing to do with it.

Nippelspanner

07-28-17, 06:06 PM

I cannot wait until Claudia Roth and the gang will remind us that this has nothing to do with Islam and that we must not give into fear, hate, or whatever.

In other words: Bend over.

Platapus

07-28-17, 06:35 PM

What does "my Dad is stronger than your dad!!1" has to do with (Islamic) terrorism?

I think it is from the Elementary School Recess philosophy of diplomacy

Skybird

07-29-17, 04:30 AM

The man is from the UAE, age 26, and was to be deported. deprotation did not tak eplace becasue he had thrown away his papers, obviously.

What do German authorites think...? Politicians boats with many denials of aslyum being spoken out, but only a very tiny , small fraction of deportations actually get carrie dout. Most of those who get refused to stay, get special permissions, or delay by racing through the inctsances of the lega system. Half of them I once read, simply dissappear and cannot be found again.

Politicians' logic: "If I write somethign on a paper and put a stamp on it, reality will obey. Becausu the stamp makes my authority and decison official."

Hey, Hamburg police, hello Olaf - of course the man had no papers...!!! What did you expect...???

He was known to the police as a "radical Islamist" as well.

Schroeder

07-29-17, 03:46 PM

The only good thing about it is that perpetrator was actually attacked and neutralized by other Muslims who held on to him until the police arrived. Frankly I had not expected that. But good to see that this does still happen.:yeah:

Skybird

07-29-17, 05:45 PM

Australian police foiled a plot to bring down an airliner. Prikme minister calls it a major counter terrorism operation that is running. National and international airports are on raised levels of alert. According to Deutsche Welle quoting Australian radio, Australian police has disrupted 12 major terror plots since 2014. - Whether Labor's latest opening of the old campaign to drop the queen and turn Australia into a republic is counted as one of these, has not been answered specifically. :D

Skybird

08-09-17, 04:03 AM

Suspected terror attack in Paris leaves six wounded by racing a car into a group of soldiers. Attackers are on the run.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40873801

I bet it is no Thai monks in that car.

It is the sixth attack in Paris in as many months.

Jimbuna

08-09-17, 06:17 AM

Were you the driver Sky? :hmmm:

The vehicle is reported as being a German BMW :03:

Skybird

08-09-17, 06:40 AM

I do not even own a car. ;) I don't need one. Last time I drove a car here at home, is more than half my life ago. If I would do it now, I probably would drive zig zag patterns the first minutes - and hit other people due to that.

Skybird

08-09-17, 07:45 AM

Paris: they got him mon the highway, even shot at him. Unfortunately he survived. He is now in police custody, and hospital.

Jimbuna

08-09-17, 08:28 AM

Link to a video of the arrest below.

The Paris prosecutor's office said it was "pursuing perpetrators on charges of the attempted murder of security forces in connection with a terrorist enterprise".

It means authorities believe the attack was intentional and planned with a terror-related motive.

http://news.sky.com/story/french-soldiers-hit-by-vehicle-in-paris-10980625

Gerald

08-17-17, 11:13 AM

Several people were injured on Thursday when a van crashed into a crowd near Las Ramblas in Barcelona, Spain, the police said.
It was not immediately clear whether the episode was related to terrorism — or if the crash was even intentional — but Islamist militants have staged several attacks recently in which they used vehicles to plow into crowds.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/world/europe/barcelona-catalunya-van.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

(https://twitter.com/KevRincon/status/898205834076991488)
Terror hits Spain...NO:nope: (https://twitter.com/KevRincon/status/898205834076991488)

Nippelspanner

08-17-17, 11:29 AM

Step 1: Express that "your thoughts & prayers" are with whomever
Step 2: Remind everyone that we must not give in to hate and fear and that together, we are strong!
Step 3: Acknowledge that Islam has absolutely nothing to do with it. That is really important!
Step 4: Enjoy your next Truck/Bomb/AR attack - soon.

:salute:

Skybird

08-17-17, 12:25 PM

Terror attack in Barcelona, at least 12 dead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40965581

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/world/europe/barcelona-catalunya-van.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

(https://twitter.com/KevRincon/status/898205834076991488)
Terror hits Spain...NO:nope: (https://twitter.com/KevRincon/status/898205834076991488)

Skybird

08-17-17, 12:26 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/world/europe/barcelona-catalunya-van.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

(https://twitter.com/KevRincon/status/898205834076991488)
Terror hits Spain...NO:nope: (https://twitter.com/KevRincon/status/898205834076991488)

I suggets keeping it there: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2507045#post2507045

Gerald

08-17-17, 01:17 PM

Thanks Sky! I know....but I was first,but thats OK anyway.:Kaleun_Wink: Let's see if we have some Mod. Here to merged.

Fubar2Niner

08-17-17, 03:32 PM

And so it goes on :nope:

STEED

08-17-17, 03:35 PM

And so it goes on :nope:

Indeed..:nope:

Skybird

08-18-17, 04:19 AM

13 dead, over 100 injured, many severly.

The ideology motivating this latest massacre, that calls for the subjugation, discrimination and killing of infidels and the suppression of women, has nothing to do with it, I already can read once again. The first political rats already show up again as well, singing "We are so sad" and the old evergreen "Cry me a river of crocodile tears", well, I cannot criticise them for that, this song really is timeless. On the weekend there is a new competition planned to crown the one who could spit appeasement paroles the farthest. He will be rewarded some golden tolerance trophy.

What I do not read - once again do not read - is anger, outrage, challenge, determination. Only the usual proven paroles of consternation. Why not, we have plenty of training in the latter, and after all, the days are long, the time is plenty and something you need to do over the events, don't you.

For whatever it matters, Merkel has once again rejected to reduce the number of wealth migrants, and she has ruled out to control and secure the borders, as the constitution would demand the state to do. And just days ago she has ruled out that Germany would ever accept to increase military spendings at the cost of social spendings. At the same time the great defence ministress von der Leyen, warrior princess for ultrafeminism and gender-arbitrariness and fearless defender of all supernannies in the world, cant stop "envisioning" - yeah, a special skill she has mastered there, she can "envision" things! - Really. - a new defence concept that forms neighbouring European militaries into modules that rotate in and out of a Germ,an supreme command scheme and are expected to militarily defend and fight and do the dirty work where the Germans are too weak and too desinterested to do it themselves.

I think I feel for wantign to light a beacon of hope again. Anyone in Germany willing to meet me and help me in that? Lasst uns ein Zeichen setzen, Barcelona shows that we have delayed that already too long anyway since the last tiome we did that. Ein Zeichen, ein Zeichen... - Hm. I would say we lay down a marker against the right once again, what you think? Will not hurt anyone, will not do anything, but always gets greeted with enthusiasm and great applaus. Too bad that the Oktoberfest has not already opened, else we could go there afterwards and celebrate our civil courage.

Skybird

08-18-17, 05:31 AM

I missed that. A second terror strike seem to have gotten spoiled in Cambrils at the last moment by police opening fire at five Muslim mass murderers in a car, wearing belts with explosives. On Wednesday one persons was killed by an explosion in a house in Alcanar, police says that is related to the preparations of the murderers they got now.

Jimbuna

08-18-17, 05:49 AM

Not sure how to stop all of the above or if it is even possible but would love to hear of some seriously well thought out suggestions.

Skybird

08-18-17, 05:51 AM

To put down a marker for soldiarity German election campaign will be suspended for two days. Wowh. That is an XXL marker, isn't it? Bright red, bold and italic, with underline!? No border controls for Germany, however.

State propaganda channels ARD and ZDF meanwhile sent shallow entertainment series during the terror events yesterday, according to the anchorman of the Heute Journal (a daily comments format on news of the day in German TV), Klaus Kleber, who said that we, the beloved audience and target group of their brainwashed visual smoothie mixture, should trust them, the editors and program makers, to decide for us what is important and what not, and to filter reports and images so that we get protected as best as possible from worrying reports and content and news that yould trouble our peaceful, dozy sheep minds.

Skybird

08-18-17, 06:19 AM

Not sure how to stop all of the above or if it is even possible but would love to hear of some seriously well thought out suggestions.
It all must start with acceptinmg that a certain ideology of a certain content is behind this, that it motivates people to do so and that it has motivates aggression and conquest throughout the world since centuries, and that the enormous import of angry young men from social looser countries as well as importing this aggressive ideology in huge quantities and nice-talking about its wickedness and underhandedness and inhumanity. As long as this is rejected, for many reaosns I could write a book about, you can forget what you pragmatically ask for, Jim. For then Islam and mass migraiton will be like mental and intellectual phosphorus - people poick it up it ignite sitself and starts to burn, you cannot extinguish it, and it burns its way deeper and deeper into the individual mind, the society, the state and its constituting institutions, the legal system, the Zeitgeist - everything.

The brainwashing about Islam takes place in Eurooe since two generations already - and now you want a short, pragmatic clean solution to the mess it already has caused...? Be realistic. I may take fire for saying that, but I claim that most of the people, if not all, who got killed or injured, if you would have asked them during a street interview about migration and tolerance and Islam, they all would have expressed views mirroring the wanted mainstream: that we must take in migrants, that it is a basic right, that we should put unconditonal helpfulness over reason and the rule of law, that Islam means peace, that we should coextit, that we should be tolerant on matter what, that we should not give in to <enter any wanted trait of negative connotation>.

What we see happening is the realization of the predictions from Gunnar Heinsohns youth bulge theory. Man, I like that man, he got his numbers straight and solid, always. A Europe that celebrates it as a triumpg of civilization to deny its own identity and history and relativize the barbary of other places until nothing is left in differences anymore, has nothing, really nothing that it could set up in defence against the youth bulge fallout.

Don'T make the mistake so many Trump followers did, Jim. There is no pragmatic , quick solution that works fast. Its a problem that by now has started to erode the very fundament and skeleton of our Western civilization. Its deeply engraved in the thinking of the overwhelming majorityof people now. Its a brainwashing project that runs since over half a century.

The pain is not yet intense enough, the destruction done is not yet sufficient, as if a critical mass of the general population would understand and be willing to accept that the fundaments they formed their personal worldview and conviction on, has led them into the dark, and leads them deeper and deeper into vulnerability and dependency.

For those who can understand German, I recommend Markus Vahlenfeld: Mal eben kurz die Welt retten. Die Deutschen zwischen Größenwahn und Selbstverleugnung, were the author nicely illustrates how the modern deformation of the Western mind is basing on an only dispute rooting back in a conflict from the medieval already: the so-called universals controverys, meaning the conflict between nominalism and idealism. It explains the why's and how's of the Western self-depracation (Selbstzerfleischung) perfectly. The book got rated with 4.8 at German Amazon, and is the top no.1 bestseller currently. Progressives and self-declared intellectuals hate it. If we are lucky, they hold their breaths until their heads pop open.

Braking the state's - and the "progressives'" - almost monopoly on media and total monopoly on education, Jim - you want a start for pragmatic solutions?Ü Here is it. Destroying the syndicate of left-leaning school and highschool educaiton that ahs formed up in the student rebellions of the late 60s and have then completely occupied the education sector and media sewctor until today. Why do people beoieve all this stupodi stuff and paroles? Because they do not know it better., They talk not about islam as is, they tlak about what they were told they should assume to be real Islam (but what it is not). Same is true for topics like mass migration. Economy. Money. Social responsibility/justice/solidarity/younameit.

Destroy those damn monopolies. Our culture once was a rich in humanistic ideals, and balancing these against ratio and realism. We have a rich heritage of philosophic structure we could base on, and that did more good to the world and enabled us to develope further and form farther-reaching rights and values, technical skills and scientific knowledge than anythign there ever was, from anyone else in the world.

However, politicians and polical parties will always be against this. There cannot be a bettering of things and rescue from the fall as long as people do not agree to get rid of these political and sociological structures. And that is where it becomes dirty and difficult again. And people are not ready for that.

And thats why I have given up on the West in general, and Germany in special.

Skybird

08-18-17, 06:42 AM

And another thing strikes me.

The media in the past days turned almost hysterical in their attempts to analyse the background of the amok driver in Charlottesville. His background. His biography, his ideological turning.

Regarding the mass murderers in Barcelona and their background: silence.

Skybird

08-18-17, 08:03 AM

Demography. I cannot say often enough that it is a decisive weapon, like a nuclear bomb.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/afghanistan-russia-and-the-war-index/article/2009214

The war in Afghanistan seem to have nothing to do with Syria at first glance. But in the list given a bit down in the text, you see the list of countries sorted by their war indices, that is the relation within a population between the young men age 15-19 compared to old men 55-59. From indices from 3.0 upwards, you should start to feel extreme unease. From 4.0 on, you should know that y military war with such a society most likely cannot be won, and if so, only at enormous costs. From 5.0 on I would say the task is absolutely hopeless.

This list says the war index of Syria is 4.0, or 4.2. And now my question - what was it that the West imports in huge quantities by this scheme called mass migration...? Families? Women? Girls?

The most dominant group amongst arriving migrants, are young men, coming from violent places were they got used to vilence and brutality, to a degree that Westerners cannot imagine if they have not seen it themselves, with an inherent preparedness to use violence themselves to fight for their survival that Western bureaucracy is no match for, and a sense of having nothing to lose, socially.

By the end of 2015, the UN said that first 64, then in later claims 80 million people were sitting on packed bags, ready to move westward. I say it is much more. Syria - in the early 60s, the country had a population of around 4 million. That is as many as those 4.2 millions who since the war began have left the country meanwhile. But thy have not left behind an empty Syria - there are still between 18 and 19 million Syrians, which means before the war began the population must have been in the range between 22 and 23 million. That means the population grew by a factor between 5 and 6 in the past 50, 60 years. The economic structure of Syria, its industrial power, however stagnated in all that time, stayed the same.

And now come Western politicians and make fools of themselves by announcing clever slogans like "We must fight the origins of migration in their home locations?". "We must develop their countries and invest some money to do so"? You want to stem a tide of dozens of millions by THIS?

I have nothing but grim, bitter laughter for such BS.

Do some math on the war index, and the birth rates in countries. Then you know how totally, completely, absolutely hopeless this "strategy" - if one feels like wanting to call it that - really is. Mockery and sarcasm from me for that. Grim, bitter laughter.

And I do not even touch upon that I wonder why we should claim responsibility for them if their people since decades and generations do not get their acts together and stagnate in place like a stone lost in the desert and laying where it ifell last time until the next traveller strolls by, picks it up, and a day later throws it away again. Its not as if colonialism and imperialism has happened just yesterday. And look what most countries that regained their independence again, made of it, especially in Africa. The result of such observation is extremely sobering. And no, that is not our fault. Not at all. Like it is not our fault that Palestinian Arabs living in this disputed place live in misery since decades - which has not hindered them to increase their population by mass migration (!!) and unlimited breeding by several factors, making their economic misery even worse.

Breeding babies - is like producing ammunitions in a factory. Some will say its not nice to say that. I don'T care. It is the bitter, grim truth - and the only truth there is. Demographic warfare.

The terrorists who struck us and mowed down our people in the past years - have there been any females amongst them? Mothers? Daughters? Or family fathers? Old men? They all have something in common. They were young men of Muslim faith, mostly coming from countries with high war indices.

Skybird

08-18-17, 09:12 AM

Another one...?

Early reports from Finland: "man" stabbed down "several" people with a knife, in Turku. Police shot his leg and took him out.

kraznyi_oktjabr

08-18-17, 12:05 PM

Another one...?

Early reports from Finland: "man" stabbed down "several" people with a knife, in Turku. Police shot his leg and took him out.Press conference in short:
- There is one suspect in custody although in hospital care as police shot him to leg when arresting.
- Police believes that there are no other people involved but they can not confirm that yet.
- Suspect is either of foreign background or foreign national. His identity is unknown. Motive is also unknown.
- There are nine stabbing victims of which one died in incident site and another later in hospital. Seven victims remain in hospital.
- Police received alert at 16:02 and had suspect in custody at 16:05.
- Police and Border Guard readiness has been increased.

Skybird

08-18-17, 03:31 PM

2 dead, 6 injured.

STEED

08-18-17, 03:39 PM

It will never end. :nope:

kraznyi_oktjabr

08-19-17, 04:15 AM

2 dead, 6 injured.This morning's article by public broadcaster YLE says two dead, eight wounded. Both dead are Finnish citizens, but wounded include an Italian and two Swedish citizens. Three are three person still in intensive care unit including the suspect.

At this point information seems to be somewhat unreliable and details are coming out slowly. Propable reason is that not all victims have been taken into Turku University Hospital and apparently they are either included or not in some counts.

Current information is that suspect is 18-year old Moroccan national. Police will held press conference at 14:00 local time. This case is being investigated as murders and attempted murders with terrorist intent.

Yle article (in Finnish): https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9785697 (this article will be update as new information becomes available)

Skybird

08-19-17, 05:44 AM

Marocco. :hmmm:

When I said some years ago that Marocco and migrants of Maroccan ethnicity are one of the biggest supply for "extremists" and possible future troublemakers, I was taking plenty of fire. Now look at the past terror attacks of the past years - including Barcelona - and count how many of the attackers have their ethnic roots in Marocco.

Also, a lot of financing for international Muslim terrorism stems from Maroccan givers.

Take this into account when you book your next holiday trip. You invest your money into a viper's nest, only the surface looks nice and friendly.

kraznyi_oktjabr

08-19-17, 06:40 AM

Police press conference in short:
- 10 victims of which two have died.
- Dead are Finnish women. Six of eight wounded are women and two men.
- Oldest victim is 67 and youngest 15-years old.
- It appears that women have been primary target. Wounded men tried to help other victims and stop primary suspect.
- Foreigner victims are British, Italian and Swedish citizens. Person believed to be Swedish national has corrected that information to Briton.
- Police have five persons in custody: primary suspect (stabber) and four others. All are Moroccan nationals.
- International arrest warrant has been issued for fifth person. This person is not in Finland and maybe dangerous, but this is not certain.
- Primary suspect has come to Finland in 2016 as refugee. MTV News sources say that person's request has been rejected. Because of privacy rules police can not confirm nor deny this.
- Police has confisticated vehicle (van?) belonging to one of suspects.

NOTE: My Swedish skills are limited. Therefore text above does not include questions nor answers in Swedish. However I'm quite confident that all relevant information is presented.

NOTE #2: Clarification to first note. In press conference police received questions and answered to them in Finnish, Swedish and English.

Skybird

08-19-17, 07:04 PM

Russia joins the party. Man stabs seven, gets shot dead by police. IS claims responsibility.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40985561

My hometown government said they plan to be the first city in Germany equipping all traffic lanes into the city centre and all plazas with additional retractable bollards. Probably because its a shopping entre, and becasue of the seven (!) christmas markets there used to be in winter. Close to the border to the Netherlands, many tourists move into the city centre at wintertime.

Things change our lives, sometimes you do not note it, sometimes you do.

Jimbuna

08-21-17, 11:13 AM

Hopefully this will turn out to be the vile creature they were hunting.

Police hunting the chief suspect in last Thursday's Barcelona van attack have shot dead a man to the west of the city who appeared to be wearing an explosive belt, Spanish media say.
The shooting is said to have happened on a road in the Subirats area.
Earlier, police confirmed they were hunting for Younes Abouyaaqoub, 22, suspected of driving a van into dozens of people on Las Ramblas.
Some Spanish media are reporting Abouyaaqoub is the man killed.
But Spanish police have yet to officially confirm this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41004603

Skybird

08-21-17, 11:54 AM

In the night from Friday to Saturday, Libanese army units attacked IS positions near the Libanese-Syrian border with around 600 IS barbars. After they conquered the objectives and drove the IS away, they did this:

http://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/crop7498299/3974879470-cv21_9-w630-h270-oc-q75-p5/599ae6ede4b0ad7ac939a608-568x320-1-aug-21-2017-15-38-26-poster.jpg

:salute: If that is the Libanese way of "laying down a marking", then I must say I prefer that way much to the Western way.

Jimbuna

08-22-17, 12:28 PM

Hopefully this will turn out to be the vile creature they were hunting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41004603

Great news, it has now been confirmed :yeah:

Skybird

08-23-17, 05:46 PM

A judge in 2015 had stopped the deportation of the murderous Imam behind the latest attacks, saying there was no danger to the public.

Ein Satz mit X? "War wohl nix!"

It strikes the eyes that failed deportations and failed communication procedures get mentioned in several of the latest attacks of the past two years.

And in Germany insiders estimate that at least 2 of 3 Syrians claimign to be Syrians are not Syrian at all. They throw away their passports, claim to be Syrians and then are no "migrants", but "refugees".The SPD integration commissioner,a woman from Turkey or Iran, says she also defends that refugees - not migrants - who are claiming asylum travel back every now and then and make holiday in their homecountry. Well, a refugees who claims asylum, is somebody fleeing from his country becasue there his life would be in danger. I would expect you do not go back to such a place for vacation voluntarily. Not so in German "logic".

Wamiduku

08-24-17, 04:01 PM

http://forumbilder.se/G9A1M/sherlockfigureout.jpg

None of this happens in Poland, Czech Republic or Hungary. I wonder why...

Von Due

09-01-17, 03:33 AM

Just in case hate spewing mullahs aren't enough, what an excellent plan B for recruitment :/\\!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41121692

Skybird

09-01-17, 04:39 AM

German terrorism experts got quted with saying that the IS has changed strategy and now calls for terrorist trying to survive instead of committing suicide attacks, so that they can fight on and that the total number of active terrorists grows, also the experience of them shall be used to teach new recruits. What the Germans now fear is, according to some intel information, that they start to use trains as primary attack platforms, instead of vans.

Jimbuna

09-01-17, 10:14 AM

Just in case hate spewing mullahs aren't enough, what an excellent plan B for recruitment :/\\!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41121692

Yeah, I was a little shocked watching this yesterday.....nothing like potentially stacking the odds against yourself :doh:

Dowly

09-15-17, 04:43 AM

There has been an explosion in the London metro:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41278545

Live updates:
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-41218382

eddie

09-15-17, 11:19 AM

As bad as it sounds Dowly, they were lucky that the bomb didn't go off as it was supposed to. Hearing over here, it didn't fully detonate, still have to feel so sorry for the folks caught in the blast as it was.

Dowly

09-15-17, 11:47 AM

Mr Quatro

09-15-17, 12:46 PM

looked like a 5gal plastic bucket on fire on GMA (ABC) this morning ... not all that professional thank God.

kraznyi_oktjabr

09-15-17, 01:46 PM

My first thoughts when reading about this attack to London Underground was: "Why Parsons Green?" There would have been more passengers onboard if detonation happened at Earl's Court (next interchange station) or even closer to city center.

I'm not complaining though, its wonderful when those bastards plans fail or atleast don't go exactly as planned.

STEED

09-15-17, 04:32 PM

Parsons Green: UK terror threat increased to critical after Tube bombhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41288525

Here we go again.

Jimbuna

09-16-17, 04:11 AM

The military will now take up guarding duties in order that more armed police may be drafted into the hunt for these idiots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41290951

Jimbuna

09-16-17, 05:26 AM

An 18-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of terror offences in connection with Friday's attack on a London Tube.
The man was detained in the port area of Dover on Saturday by Kent Police and is being held at a local station.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41292528

Could this be the rat attempting to escape back to mainland Europe :hmmm:

eddie

09-16-17, 11:19 AM

I hope its him, Jim !! If he is the one and is found guilty, don't slap him on the wrist, send him away for 40 years. And give him a good old fashion arse kickin" first,lol

Jimbuna

09-19-17, 02:51 PM

Time will tell Eddie, time will tell.

Mr Quatro

10-30-17, 11:36 AM

This is going too far ... the wrath of the UK would be upon them: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10/29/isis-fanatics-threaten-prince-george-with-chilling-warning-royal-family-will-not-be-left-alone-report-says.html

ISIS fanatics have made a chilling threat against Prince George saying: "Even the Royal Family will not be left alone," it has been claimed.

The barbarous extremists allegedly posted a picture of the future king on encrypted instant messaging app Telegram with the horrifying message.

Jimbuna

10-30-17, 05:37 PM

On the contrary. Throw a party for them and invite the boys from Hereford.

Onkel Neal

11-24-17, 10:00 AM

Oh man, this is very bad.
200 reportedly killed in Egypt mosque attack (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/egypt-attack-sinai-peninsula-mosque-bir-al-abd-dead-wounded/)

Militants bombed a Sufi mosque and fired on worshippers in the volatile Sinai Peninsula during Friday prayers, killing at least 200 people in what appeared to be the latest attack by the area's ISIS affiliate, Egyptian state news agency MENA reports.

The extremists attacked the al-Rawdah mosque in the town of Bir al-Abd, 25 miles from the North Sinai provincial capital of el-Arish, opening fire from four off-road vehicles on worshippers inside during the sermon, three police officers said.

It's only natural that it causes us Westerners more outrage when our people are targets of terrorism, but these crazies kill more of Muslims than anything.

Dowly

11-24-17, 10:03 AM

Holy crap, it was 50 when I checked news couple of hours ago. :doh:

Schroeder

11-24-17, 07:01 PM

Pretty disgusting crap.:nope:

Skybird

11-25-17, 05:34 AM

Scorpion does what scorpion is.

Target was a Sufi mosque, so the target were the successors of an original lineage in islam that often gets describe din the West as a mystic branch. The original lienage was wiped out during the Mongolian storm over Persia and the fall of Bagdad in the 13th century. The attack thus was directed against - in the eyes of tranditional conservatives - infidels or apostates, depends on how you see it.

Jimbuna

11-25-17, 07:01 AM

Oh man, this is very bad.
200 reportedly killed in Egypt mosque attack (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/egypt-attack-sinai-peninsula-mosque-bir-al-abd-dead-wounded/)

It's only natural that it causes us Westerners more outrage when our people are targets of terrorism, but these crazies kill more of Muslims than anything.

True that, like rabid dogs turning on themselves.

Gerald

11-27-17, 06:47 PM

Australian police have arrested a man they allege was planning to carry out a terror attack during New Year's Eve celebrations in Melbourne.
The 20-year-old man, who was arrested on Monday, will be charged with terrorism offences carrying a maximum penalty of life in prison, police said.
Authorities allege the man planned to shoot people with an automatic gun at Federation Square in the city centre.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42146664

Good at they stop him.

Jimbuna

11-28-17, 05:12 AM

Threads merged, terrorism related.

Mr Quatro

12-06-17, 04:17 AM

Why would they be mad at someone who dislikes Trump? :D

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/05/islamic-terror-plot-to-assassinate-british-pm-theresa-may-thwarted-report-says.html

An Islamic terror plot to assassinate British Prime Minister Theresa May in London has been thwarted, according to a report out Tuesday.

The plan was “in essence an extreme Islamist suicide plot against Downing Street” by two men who have now been arrested, Sky News reported.

10 Downing Street is the location of the prime minister’s office.

Police believe “the plan was to launch some sort of improvised explosive device at Downing Street and in the ensuing chaos attack and kill Theresa May,” according to the report.

Jimbuna

12-06-17, 06:31 AM

Yeah, like Trump, I should imagine she is high up on the assassination list :yep:

Gerald

12-09-17, 09:58 PM

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi declared final victory over Islamic State on Saturday after Iraqi forces drove its last remnants from the country, three years after the militant group captured about a third of Iraq’s territory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate/iraq-declares-final-victory-over-islamic-state-idUSKBN1E30B9

If that's true, it's good considering the circumstances.:hmmm:

STEED

12-10-17, 06:17 AM

Until the next time..:roll:

Jimbuna

12-10-17, 07:56 AM

Threads merged AGAIN-terrorism related See #3163

ikalugin

12-11-17, 08:47 AM

This article may be of interest:
https://www.defensenews.com/outlook/2017/12/11/moscow-based-think-tank-director-russias-unexpected-military-victory-in-syria/

kraznyi_oktjabr

12-11-17, 09:07 AM

Here we go again...

An explosion struck the Port Authority bus terminal at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue on Monday morning, the New York Police Department said in a tweet.
...
Preliminary information, according to two law enforcement sources, one local and one federal, indicates a pipe bomb may have unintentionally exploded. The person in custody appears to be injured, according to the federal law enforcement source.

LINK (http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/11/us/new-york-possible-explosion-port-authority-subway/index.html) Last updated: 11.12.2017 at 13:39 GMT

ikalugin

12-11-17, 09:08 AM

Condolences, it is rather unfortunate how with all CT measures there are still acts of terrorism.

Rockstar

12-11-17, 10:35 AM

I think its rather amazing this is all that has happened here in the U.S. since recognizing Jerusalem as capital of Israel. How behemoth and efficient the CT apparatus must be. Stalin would be jealous. ;)

Jimbuna

12-11-17, 02:54 PM

Unfortunately he survived.

Schroeder

12-11-17, 04:02 PM

Unfortunately he survived. If he didn't work alone he might be far more valuable alive than dead.

Jimbuna

12-11-17, 04:56 PM

If he didn't work alone he might be far more valuable alive than dead.

True that but I sometimes think the cost if keeping them locked up for many years can be astronomical.

Skybird

12-11-17, 05:03 PM

^ And they spread their pest in prison. These loosers are highly infectous. Prisons are high intensity breeding grounds for Muslim radicalissimos. You could as well clone them.

Jimbuna

12-11-17, 05:04 PM

^ True that :yep:

Mr Quatro

12-11-17, 05:47 PM

^ And they spread their pest in prison. These loosers are highly infectous. Prisons are high intensity breeding grounds for Muslim radicalissimos. You could as well clone them.

Wow! Sky can tell the truth in just one paragraph :up:

kraznyi_oktjabr

12-11-17, 06:00 PM

^ And they spread their pest in prison. These loosers are highly infectous. Prisons are high intensity breeding grounds for Muslim radicalissimos. You could as well clone them.Atleast in U.S. you can lock them into ADX Florence inside their very own cell with no access to anyone else except their guards, lawyers and next-of-kin (with restrictions). I'm normally against permanent stay in isolation cell block but in these cases that is only viable option.

eddie

12-11-17, 09:35 PM

At least he hurt himself more then he hurt anyone else!

Reece

12-11-17, 10:33 PM

At least he hurt himself more then he hurt anyone else!
This!:up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymvgEp2Armk

em2nought

12-12-17, 01:43 AM

Wow! Sky can tell the truth in just one paragraph :up:
LOL, maybe he was just in a hurry tonight. :D

eddie

12-12-17, 02:48 AM

This!:up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymvgEp2Armk

That's great Reece!!:haha::haha:

eddie

12-12-17, 02:58 AM

That had to hurt, what an idiot!!

https://s19.postimg.org/tkt4frz83/171211160017-nyc-bombing-suspect-exlarge-169.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Schroeder

12-12-17, 04:22 AM

This!:up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymvgEp2Armk
Nice but fake.:yep:

Jimbuna

12-12-17, 06:13 AM

:haha:

Gerald

12-17-17, 08:50 PM

MOSCOW/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States provided intelligence to Russia that helped thwart a potentially deadly bomb attack in St. Petersburg, U.S. and Russian officials said on Sunday, in a rare public show of cooperation despite deep strains between the two countries.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-intelligence/u-s-helped-thwart-major-attack-in-st-petersburg-u-s-russia-say-idUSKBN1EB0NK?il=0

It good!

August

12-17-17, 09:00 PM

Finally Democrats there's some actual Trump /Russia collusion for you to get unhinged about!

ikalugin

12-17-17, 11:27 PM

The terrorists in question are, amongst other things, charged with stealing nuclear materials, source:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/12/2017/5a369a699a794747cd6c1fcb?from=newsfeed

Reece

12-18-17, 12:39 AM

It good!
Is good!:yep:

Buddahaid

12-18-17, 02:01 AM

Finally Democrats there's some actual Trump /Russia collusion for you to get unhinged about!

Why?

Catfish

12-18-17, 02:44 AM

Yep, this is good. :)

em2nought

12-18-17, 02:50 AM

Collusion! :up:

Catfish

12-18-17, 03:05 AM

Finally Democrats there's some actual Trump /Russia collusion for you to get unhinged about!

Huh? It's usually the republicans who beat against Russia ? :hmmm:
Trump is an exception, but they "tolerate" it.

That said, when it comes to terrorism there is an international agreement to help each other, if someone knows something. Unless it's intended internal state terrorism.
Giving money or other help to Trump surely did not create this kind of teamwork, or does anyone think that Trump himself knew of this threat? :doh:

Gerald

12-18-17, 05:38 AM

Is good!:yep: Yes,thanks.:Kaleun_Applaud:

Jimbuna

12-18-17, 06:03 AM

Yes,thanks.:Kaleun_Applaud:

Yet another merge....thread is terrorism related.

Rockstar

12-18-17, 12:16 PM

Finally Democrats there's some actual Trump /Russia collusion for you to get unhinged about!

I'd be interested to know how many democrats are lining their pockets and colluding with Ukraine? When Trump announced his desire for closer ties to Russia. Then listening to the news and hearing all the accusations about him and Russia. Its readily apparent to me it upset certain people with pro-Ukrainian business interests to no end. :03:

And no, I'm not taking sides, Its just that I do think their are two sides to every story.

Jimbuna

02-09-18, 08:00 AM

Islamic State duo from UK 'should face trial after seizure'.

Alexanda Kotey, and El Shafee Elsheikh were captured by Syrian Kurdish forces.

They were two of the four British IS members widely known as "the Beatles".

Kotey and Elsheikh were the last two of "the Beatles" still at large. They and Mohammed Emwazi and Aine Davis had gained that nickname because of their British accents.

Kotey, from west London, was a guard for the execution cell. The US State Department says he took part in the torture of hostages and also acted as a recruiter for IS

Elsheikh "earned a reputation for waterboarding, mock executions, and crucifixions" while serving as the cell's guard, the US state department says.

Both men are designated terrorists by the US, which says they have used "exceptionally cruel torture methods."

They both worked with the cell's alleged ring-leader, Mohammed Emwazi. Dubbed Jihadi John, he was the masked militant from west London who featured in gruesome IS videos, taunting Western powers before beheading hostages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43003248

Put them down just as you would a sick animal.

Jimbuna

03-31-18, 04:56 AM

Two Britons accused of being Islamic State members have complained they will not get a fair trial because the UK government has stripped them of their citizenship.

Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh, from west London, were captured in Syria in January.

They are accused of being the last two members of an IS foursome dubbed 'the Beatles' because of their UK accents.

The pair also said the murder of IS hostages was "regrettable".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43601925

I think it's "regrettable" they still have the ability to breathe fresh air :nope:

Jimbuna

05-29-18, 05:49 AM

This could well turn out to be another terrorism related incident.

A man has shot dead two police officers and a nearby driver in the eastern Belgian city of Liège.

The gunman took a female cleaner hostage at a school before being killed by police. Two other police officers were also injured.

The man's motive is not yet clear but terror prosecutors are looking after the case.

Police sources quoted in local media said the man was heard shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest" in Arabic).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44289404

Schroeder

05-29-18, 07:46 AM

This could well turn out to be another terrorism related incident.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44289404
Just another day in the jihad...:-?

em2nought

05-29-18, 04:35 PM

Just another days in the jihad...:-?

Careful with those right of center jokes, somebody might track you down and put YOU in jail. :roll:

Catfish

05-30-18, 01:59 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43003248

Put them down just as you would a sick animal.

Of course of course, with those mock executions and torturing they would have better fitted in the regular army, like e.g. in Abu Ghraib.
People are animals, everywhere. :nope:

Buddahaid

05-30-18, 02:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSxI0OOjR0Y

Well.....

Skybird

05-30-18, 04:47 AM

Of course of course, with those mock executions and torturing they would have better fitted in the regular army, like e.g. in Abu Ghraib.
People are animals, everywhere. :nope:
The one side sees these things as violations of their rules, and sanctions them. The other side sees these things as their wanted intention, and encourages them.

The one side accepts a certain ammount of collateral damages, and goes long ways - too long ways, for my taste - to avoid them. The other side makes a maximization of collateral damages the declared mission objective.

You compare what cannot be compared.

Jimbuna

05-30-18, 06:53 AM

The man who shot dead two police officers and a civilian in the Belgian city of Liège had killed someone the night before the attacks, the country's interior minister says.

Jan Jambon said the gunman, named as Benjamin Herman, had murdered a man - a former prisoner - he met while in jail.

Prosecutors say they are treating the attacks as "terrorist murder".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44299952

Catfish

05-30-18, 07:44 AM

re Skybird

Unfortunately all sides use the same tactics.
Remember Nelson Mandela also was a "terrorist", for England.

The one side accepts a certain ammount of collateral damages, and goes long ways - too long ways, for my taste - to avoid them. [...] .

I know what you mean, but you are naive if you think our "good" side does not have those tiled cellars with its special tools, and uses any means. Think of those CIA planes to Poland and elsewhere, so the holy US ground is not being poisoned when torturing.

I guess torturing in 'export' countries solves those "ethical questions", or even more important: evade possible local law suits. Trump himself has again said that he supports torture, and it is stilll being done, not only in Guantanamo.
No, the US is not the only one of course. I would try to steer clear from e.g. Turkish or Israeli prison camps as well.

Certain people with certain mindsets will always find their way into those special 'appointments', all over the world.

Skybird

05-30-18, 11:30 AM

re Skybird

Unfortunately all sides use the same tactics.
Remember Nelson Mandela also was a "terrorist", for England.

I know what you mean, but you are naive if you think our "good" side does not have those tiled cellars with its special tools, and uses any means. Think of those CIA planes to Poland and elsewhere, so the holy US ground is not being poisoned when torturing.

I guess torturing in 'export' countries solves those "ethical questions", or even more important: evade possible local law suits. Trump himself has again said that he supports torture, and it is stilll being done, not only in Guantanamo.
No, the US is not the only one of course. I would try to steer clear from e.g. Turkish or Israeli prison camps as well.

Certain people with certain mindsets will always find their way into those special 'appointments', all over the world.
And still, what is intention and mission objective for the one, is a breaking of rules and and exception from the rule that gets sanctioned by legal consequences for the other. You still compare what is not to be compared.

Jimbuna

05-31-18, 07:06 AM

An Islamic State supporter who called for jihadis to attack Prince George has admitted a string of terror charges.

Husnain Rashid, 32, of Leonard Street in Nelson, Lancashire, brought his trial at Woolwich Crown Court to a halt with a dramatic change of plea.

Nearly two weeks into his trial Rashid was re-indicted and pleaded guilty to three counts of engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorist acts.

He also admitted one count of encouraging terrorism.

Rashid will be sentenced on 28 June at the same court for the offences spanning from October 2016 to April this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44313868

Well, that's one less oxygen thief walking the streets of the UK.

Rockstar

06-15-18, 07:40 AM

https://apnews.com/0c9f61222765459890bcf0dd7cffb482

BERLIN (AP) — German authorities have thwarted a plot by a Tunisian man who created the deadly toxin ricin using castor bean seeds and planned to use the poison in an Islamic extremist attack in Germany, federal prosecutors said Thursday. Sief Allah H., whose last name wasn’t given in line with German privacy laws, was taken into custody Tuesday during a raid on his apartment in Cologne. The 29-year-old was formally arrested Wednesday after a judge reviewed the evidence. Authorities are still investigating exactly how the suspect planned to use the toxin, but said he was working on a “biological weapon” attack in Germany.

...He also would not comment on a report in the top-selling Bild newspaper that American intelligence tipped off German investigators after they detected the suspect’s online activity buying the seeds to make ricin.

Gerald

06-23-18, 02:44 PM

JAKARTA, Indonesia — Aman Abdurrahman, a leading Islamic State recruiter and ideologue in Indonesia, was found guilty and sentenced to death on Friday on charges that he incited five deadly attacks in the country while he was in prison on an earlier terrorism conviction.
The five-judge panel ruled that Mr. Aman, although he played no operational role, still shared responsibility for the armed attacks in 2016 and 2017, which killed nine people and wounded dozens more. Eight of his followers who staged the attacks also died.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/world/asia/indonesia-isis-aman-abdurrahman.html

He got his judgment, and he certainly knew what the outcome would be.

Reece

06-23-18, 06:40 PM

Good news!!:up:

Jimbuna

06-24-18, 05:47 AM

Threads merged.

Gerald

06-24-18, 06:19 AM

^That I did not think about it first, thank you.

Jimbuna

06-26-18, 01:54 PM

A British plumber has been convicted of planning a terror attack in Westminster and making bombs for the Taliban.

Khalid Ali, 28, was arrested on 27 April 2017 in Parliament Street, where he was caught carrying three knives.

Prosecutors said Ali, from Edmonton in north London, had planned a "murderous attack" on politicians and police.

In a police interview, Ali said he wanted to deliver a "message" to British authorities, but claimed the knives were for protection.

An Old Bailey jury convicted him of preparing an act of terrorism in the UK and two counts of possessing an explosive substance with intent. He did not react as the verdicts were read out.

Ali will be sentenced on 20 July.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44613587

That's another oxygen thief taken off the streets :yeah:

Schroeder

06-26-18, 04:43 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44613587

That's another oxygen thief taken off the streets :yeah:
I'll wait for the sentence before sharing that feeling. This is the UK after all. I don't think he'll be gone for long.:-?

HunterICX

06-27-18, 03:49 AM

I'll wait for the sentence before sharing that feeling. This is the UK after all. I don't think he'll be gone for long.:-?

68 hours of community service, that'll teach him! :D

Schroeder

06-27-18, 04:37 AM

68 hours of community service, that'll teach him! :D
50 hours you totalitarian bigot! The man deserves to have a second chance in life after all!:hmph:

Jimbuna

06-27-18, 07:34 AM

I'm thinking there is a good chance he'll receive a life sentence.

https://i.imgur.com/5zHr9qL.gif

Reece

06-27-18, 08:13 AM

The man deserves to have a second chance in life after all!:hmph:
That's right as Jim said, life in a prison!:up:

Mr Quatro

08-29-18, 09:21 PM

3 ‘extremist Muslim’ New Mexico compound suspects released after judge drops all charges

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/29/judge-dismisses-all-charges-against-3-extremist-muslim-new-mexico-compound-suspects.html

Three suspects tied to a New Mexico compound where alleged Muslim extremists reportedly trained children to be school shooters were released from custody on Wednesday, hours after a judge dismissed all of the charges against them, Fox News confirmed.

They were camped out on private property and the owner had complained to every agency that he could think of before someone finally came out to check on the problem and now they are all free to go minus their guns I hope. :o

Platapus

08-30-18, 02:24 PM

ikalugin

09-04-18, 12:21 PM

How do you think Iblib operation would go?

Jimbuna

09-04-18, 01:12 PM

I don't think that all the charges against all the people were dropped.

It appears that the prosecution failed to handle the paperwork before the legal deadline.

I guess they don't have calenders in NM?

I should imagine someone will currently be finding themselves in a bit of hot water now.

Jimbuna

09-04-18, 01:24 PM

The UK Labour Party's ruling body has agreed to adopt in full an international definition of anti-Semitism, after months of rows.

And not before time.

Shadow business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey said "We want to be the gold standard in political parties for stamping out anti-Semitism."

Highly unlikely in my estimation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45414656

Does this mean Jeremy may well be taken to account for some of his speeches over recent years? :hmmm:

Kaptian Holland

09-04-18, 04:44 PM

not any more!:arrgh!: I just started a new one...I knew U and Eichhörnchen would be particularly upset!
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=222854 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=222854)

Many thanks Missing subsim radio :)

em2nought

09-04-18, 07:51 PM

I should imagine someone will currently be finding themselves in a bit of hot water now.

There is no accountability in government. LMAO :hmmm:

Jimbuna

09-05-18, 07:42 AM

HunterICX

09-22-18, 06:11 AM

Terrorists shooting at a Military Parade in Iran.

I wonder what the hell those Jihadis where smoking to come up with this brilliant idea:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45611411

Skybird

09-22-18, 06:14 AM

Sunni versus Shia. ;)

Jimbuna

09-22-18, 06:25 AM

Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said the "terrorists" behind the attack were "armed and paid by a foreign regime", adding that "Iran holds regional terror sponsors and their US masters accountable."

Two of the gunmen were killed by security forces, while the other two were arrested

I doubt they'll have much of a future.

Jimbuna

09-27-18, 05:49 AM

Two Russian nationals have been named as suspects in the attempted murder of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

The men, using the names Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, are thought to be officers from Russia's military intelligence service, the PM said.

Scotland Yard and the CPS say there is enough evidence to charge the men.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445

Now this:

Skripal suspect 'was made Hero of Russia' by President Putin

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45656004

Putin must think everyone is as stupid as he is dangerous.

STEED

09-27-18, 06:06 AM

Now this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45656004

Putin must think everyone is as stupid as he is dangerous.

Stupid no weak yes, his goons failed to kill the Skripal's but screwed up killing a incident civilian which must grate him. Knowing Putin he may have those two goons bumped off for failing in due course.

Jimbuna

09-27-18, 06:10 AM

Well seeing as how they reckoned they were sightseeing at Salisbury cathedral perhaps you should take extra precautions at your place of work :haha:

:03:

Skybird

09-27-18, 06:12 AM

Germany today welcomes an Islamist Turkish kidnapper and blackmailer with a state banquet and full military honours although he holds several German state citizens as prisoners since months and years without formally valid legal procedures.

STEED

09-27-18, 06:15 AM

Jimbuna

09-27-18, 06:27 AM

Skybird

09-27-18, 11:31 AM

I'm pretty close to four Turkish nationals and not one of them havy any time at all for Erdoğan.
Well, Erdoghan's secret police is very close to Germany, however. We have a spionage scandal now. The Turks have infiltrated German police services to spy on people of Turkish origin in Germany who voiced critical opinions on Erdoghan. First German police officer has been arrested for spying for the Turks.

The Turkish state also runs an app in Germany that allows Turks to anonymously denounce people in Germany voicing critical opinions on Erdoghan and his policies. The Germans - simply allow it.

So even if you are a Turk and flee from Turkey, Erdoghan's terror will pursue and haunt you.

Erdoghan plans to officially open another DITIB mosque here. DITIB is formally linked to the Turkish religion ministry and is recommended by the German Verfassungsschutz to be put under observation, somethign that the political scumbags as usual reject to follow. DITIB is known to spy on and denounce critical Turks in Germany since long. It sends Turkish Imams from Turkey to germany that must not even speak and understand a word of German, and is clearly the regime's tool to spread indoctrination and hate speech and defamation against Germans. Once again - the Germans simply allow it.

There are many Turks in Germany that want but do not dare to visit their families in Turkey anymore. They must count on being arrested and locked away when crossing the border.

Our trustworthy NATO ally and friend. May he live long and prosper.

On a side note, in the past 70% and more of Muslim - in Germany that kostly means: Turkish - migrants voted for SPD, due to it spolicy of nanying them and paying them and luring them and wanting ever mor eof them coming to Germany. It has been like this sicne decades, and the CDU was elected by less than 10% only, last time last year even just 6%. This is no more. The latest study published this week shows that a dramatic loss has taken place, not 70% but only around 35% of Turks in germany said they suport the SPD's policies on migration any longer, where as the share of Turks voing for the CDU has exploded from 6% last year to 32% now. Whether that is due to merkel's and the SPD's liberal migration policy or due to the explicit resistence forming up against Merkel'S and the SPD's policy, so far cannot be assessed, however. It just is a dramatic change. I assume it is because many Turks have fled fro Turkey, and face a Germany that is very forgiving and understanding towards Erdoghan. And this the pursued victims of Erdoghan take quite queer.