The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[ikalugin]

I have a deja-vu.

[ikalugin]

What would be so amusing about it?
Some people are phycologically traumatised by spending their late childhood and early teens on /b/.

[Oberon]

What's wrong with that?
We don't seem to mind, do we?

That happens when you let the religion of peace grow.
Oh right, it isn't related to religion, sorry, I keep forgetting that.

All good then! :up:

Nah, I was just thinking that if you want to kill Europeans so much then you might as well go and join Daesh. :up:

[Onkel Neal]

Let's stay on topic, guys. There is a thread for migrants, one for the Presidential election, and one for terrorism. The reason I have not merged this thread into the terrorism thread is for anyone who wants to discuss this event, outside of the overall terrorism discussion. I know there is a lot of emotions and other things we are dealing with, make sure we put them in the right threads and we don't blow this up into terrorism thread 2.0

Pictures from Brussells :cry:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/beligum-attack-photos_us_56f11cf2e4b084c672214796

[Onkel Neal]

You spelled "impossible" wrong there, Neal. :03:

Lol, ok. :cool:

spending their late childhood and early teens on /b/.

What is /b/?

[Oberon]

What is /b/?

Oh, you sweet summer child...


No one tell him, it's better his mind remain unsullied. :yep:

[Oberon]

I've read reports that it was suspected that nails were packed in with the explosives in order to maximise the shrapnel radius, looking at those pictures I would be inclined to believe those reports. Nails and ball bearings are usually used like that. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Lol, ok. :cool:



What is /b/?

Have a look here and pick out your own definition.

Had the list been less populated action may well have ensued shortly after the original post.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%2Fb%2F


So, ikalugin, care to elaborate or point out the precise definition/context you were trying to convey?

[CaptainRamius]

I've read reports that it was suspected that nails were packed in with the explosives in order to maximise the shrapnel radius, looking at those pictures I would be inclined to believe those reports. Nails and ball bearings are usually used like that. :nope:

Yup, those reports are right. After raiding an apartment in Brussels, the police found Nail bombs, chemicals, and an ISIS flag.
Source: CNN Live

[Jimbuna]

Let's stay on topic, guys. There is a thread for migrants, one for the Presidential election, and one for terrorism. The reason I have not merged this thread into the terrorism thread is for anyone who wants to discuss this event, outside of the overall terrorism discussion. I know there is a lot of emotions and other things we are dealing with, make sure we put them in the right threads and we don't blow this up into terrorism thread 2.0

Pictures from Brussells :cry:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/beligum-attack-photos_us_56f11cf2e4b084c672214796

Agreed and having said that, ISIS/Daesh have already claimed responsibility.

[ikalugin]

So, ikalugin, care to elaborate or point out the precise definition/context you were trying to convey? I was refering to the "/b/tard creed". But I guess I have failed to make a comic reference.

[CaptainRamius]

Agreed and having said that, ISIS/Daesh have already claimed responsibility.

How DO they claim responsibility? They can't just use a Daesh Twitter account, because that would have been taken down already.

[STEED]

2016 is looking like 2015 another bloody year..:nope:

[Nippelspanner]

Nah, I was just thinking that if you want to kill Europeans so much then you might as well go and join Daesh. :up:
I think you know how my post was meant. If you really don't, be advised that of course I do not want any of that to happen.
However, it makes me furious how stunned people are about what is happening for years and what is increasing since a few months now.

All we should be surprised about is that we haven't been hit MUCH harder and more often yet.

And the nails and stuff in bombs. Really?
That is bomb-making-101. How is this still shocking in any way?

[Oberon]

Yup, those reports are right. After raiding an apartment in Brussels, the police found Nail bombs, chemicals, and an ISIS flag.
Source: CNN Live

The reports of chemicals are a bit concerning. They could just be for bomb creation though rather than actually being weaponised themselves. Otherwise, why not open with a chemical attack rather than use it as a follow up when all the security services are alerted? :hmmm:
Unless, of course, the theory that this attack was actually brought forward because of the arrest of the Paris attacker the other day and the reports that he was co-operating with police.

[Oberon]

How DO they claim responsibility? They can't just use a Daesh Twitter account, because that would have been taken down already.

They have their own news website.

[Jimbuna]

They have their own news website.

Good to see no link was posted :know:

[AVGWarhawk]

This is truly a world issue/problem.

[Oberon]

Good to see no link was posted :know:

I don't know the name of it, I just happened to see a screenshot someone had posted on another forum.

[Nippelspanner]

I was refering to the "/b/tard creed". But I guess I have failed to make a comic reference.
I don't know, I can only say I still have no idea what you're on about, but still would like an elaboration.

[Jimbuna]

I don't know the name of it, I just happened to see a screenshot someone had posted on another forum.

No problem but if you ever go looking I'd strongly advise using a proxy server.

[mapuc]

One of my friends a Danish politicians and who is far from being political correct wrote this on his wall

(have used google translate)

"Rush in to help with the politically correct guide to how a politician should respond to the terrorist attacks. Read it BEFORE you make any comment!: the first couples of days your statements should be completely devoid of content. Simply say that you are sorry, are strongly opposed, and that we stand together against terror. With stories about European democratic values. Everyone knows that the kind of words make a big impression on the terrorists. Avoid at all costs to say anything concrete. Finally, nothing about what should be done to prevent more terrorist attacks. In the politically correct parlance, this 'toss of a tragedy'. Only empty talk. Remember it now! You absolutely must not imply that it is Muslims who have carried out terror. You must keep open the possibility that it could be extremist auditors, the local handball club or perhaps Buddhists behind. Do not face reality. It is so terribly politically incorrect.

When it within a relatively short time, is clear that it was Islamics, its important that you say- it 'has nothing to do with Islam'. You know that it would never have happened if it were not for Islam. But it is important that you do not admit it. It is quite crucial that you also never mentions mass immigration as much as contributory factor in that there are terrorists in Europe.if terrorists proves to be born in Europe as a second- or third-generation (which is what they often are), then make it clear that it is not caused by immigration, that they are here. "Ibn Mussa al Muhammad was the Belgian. He was not an immigrant." Ignore the fact that if we for some decades had closed too many in, which has created an ethnically divided society, we had not at all been the kind of extremists in Europe. Justify rather the problem of socio-economic factors. Perhaps the terrorists had a bad school? Find yourself on something that can detract from the fact that the multicultural society has created a growing group of people living here with a fierce hatred of the West. Cast including state that "terrorists win if we start changing our society '. In other words, we should just ignore the problem.

If you for example, suggests that it is impossible to avoid ghettos and radicalized parallel society with the pace of immigration set in, so you go terrorists errand. Or something ... (For all know that Islamics overall objective that Europe should pursue a tighter immigration policy). Not to seem like you are completely unrealistic, remember, however, that a winning social media is to use very harsh words against the extremists. "Go to hell" or "They should go home" is acceptable and popular expressions. But remember, for God's sake, it must NOT be followed by action. It is important only to leave it at words. It provides guaranteed at least one thousand shares on Face book. That's what people want to hear. Never mind whether you do something about it. If at any time you are under pressure from the politically incorrect to suggest something concrete, then suggest any. to give the police more resources or make better language courses for immigrants. Perhaps a bridging courses. But it is definitely also the longest, you can GA.If you follow this guide, you are on the right track to become a real politician. Lots of empty talk and no action. "

It is a guide to those political politicians who is quite novice in this subject.

Markus

[Oberon]

No problem but if you ever go looking I'd strongly advise using a proxy server.

I'm crazy, old chap, but not that crazy. :03: I'll stick to reddit and the Beeb.

[Nippelspanner]

One of my friends a Danish politicians and who is far from being political correct wrote this on his wall

(have used google translate)

"Rush in to help with the politically correct guide to how a politician should respond to the terrorist attacks. Read it BEFORE you make any comment!: the first couples of days your statements should be completely devoid of content. Simply say that you are sorry, are strongly opposed, and that we stand together against terror. With stories about European democratic values. Everyone knows that the kind of words make a big impression on the terrorists. Avoid at all costs to say anything concrete. Finally, nothing about what should be done to prevent more terrorist attacks. In the politically correct parlance, this 'toss of a tragedy'. Only empty talk. Remember it now! You absolutely must not imply that it is Muslims who have carried out terror. You must keep open the possibility that it could be extremist auditors, the local handball club or perhaps Buddhists behind. Do not face reality. It is so terribly politically incorrect.

When it within a relatively short time, is clear that it was Islamics, its important that you say- it 'has nothing to do with Islam'. You know that it would never have happened if it were not for Islam. But it is important that you do not admit it. It is quite crucial that you also never mentions mass immigration as much as contributory factor in that there are terrorists in Europe.if terrorists proves to be born in Europe as a second- or third-generation (which is what they often are), then make it clear that it is not caused by immigration, that they are here. "Ibn Mussa al Muhammad was the Belgian. He was not an immigrant." Ignore the fact that if we for some decades had closed too many in, which has created an ethnically divided society, we had not at all been the kind of extremists in Europe. Justify rather the problem of socio-economic factors. Perhaps the terrorists had a bad school? Find yourself on something that can detract from the fact that the multicultural society has created a growing group of people living here with a fierce hatred of the West. Cast including state that "terrorists win if we start changing our society '. In other words, we should just ignore the problem.

If you for example, suggests that it is impossible to avoid ghettos and radicalized parallel society with the pace of immigration set in, so you go terrorists errand. Or something ... (For all know that Islamics overall objective that Europe should pursue a tighter immigration policy). Not to seem like you are completely unrealistic, remember, however, that a winning social media is to use very harsh words against the extremists. "Go to hell" or "They should go home" is acceptable and popular expressions. But remember, for God's sake, it must NOT be followed by action. It is important only to leave it at words. It provides guaranteed at least one thousand shares on Face book. That's what people want to hear. Never mind whether you do something about it. If at any time you are under pressure from the politically incorrect to suggest something concrete, then suggest any. to give the police more resources or make better language courses for immigrants. Perhaps a bridging courses. But it is definitely also the longest, you can GA.If you follow this guide, you are on the right track to become a real politician. Lots of empty talk and no action. "

It is a guide to those political politicians who is quite novice in this subject.

Markus

I love it!
What do you think about it, I wonder?

[Jimbuna]

I'm crazy, old chap, but not that crazy. :03: I'll stick to reddit and the Beeb.

Rgr that :yep:

[Catfish]

My condolences.

Before we run around like beheaded chicken, attack each other, or fuel radical views, we should remember two things.

1. Terrorist cause the terror.
2. Fugitives try to flee from it.

Today I spoke with a young turkish man who flies to and from Turkey three times a week, from Brussels. He overslept this morning so did not go to Brussels, but he had not told his parents and they were desparate. They wept when they finally heard his voice.
He said literally "why can't they live in peace, these unbelievable ...holes!" Yes, he was a muslim, too. He also said that there are certain "Maennercafés" (= cafés for turkish men), and he began to have fear, because he was not able to judge who had which political views anymore, and stopped going there. He said muslim people with his views were regarded as traitors, by some.
It was in Berlin.

The police should really start observing those circles, this young turkish man was sure for it.

[Jimbuna]

Belgian authorities have released the photo of a suspect they are hunting for:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35876809

http://i.imgur.com/rDO8ATL.jpg
The two men to the left are believed to have blown themselves up.

[Rockstar]

I hope they blow up a damn nuclear power plant and thousands die in Europe.
We do deserve so.

1. We still rely on nuclear power, despite what history taught us.
2. If we don't even protect these installations while Europe is flooded by terrorists, so be it.

Make it go boom and let's see what all the Gutmenschen have to say then.


Well, I can think of a few things. They'll come out of hiding and probably say it was your fault the perpetrators signed up for ISIS because you weren't being tolerant enough. Then I suppose they'll try to convince you it could have been worse by comparing it to the disaster at Fukushima, they had a tsunami you know.

[mapuc]

I love it!
What do you think about it, I wonder?


He is right about our politicians who do nothing then just talk and more talk no action. In other words saying the things his voters want to hear.

I do also disagree with him at some point-It is not every immigrants or Refugees that have a hidden agenda packed in their suitcase. Some of them is happy to have reached a safe haven.

Markus

[Oberon]

Well, I can think of a few things. They'll come out of hiding and probably say it was your fault the perpetrators signed up for ISIS because you weren't being tolerant enough. Then I suppose they'll try to convince you it could have been worse by comparing it to the disaster at Fukushima, they had a tsunami you know.

I think the terrorists would need to have Neals truck packed with the highest form of explosives you can find in order to cause the sort of damage that Nippelspanner described. Even then, tbh, I'd be surprised if they did. I mean, the reactor vessel itself is a reinforced metal structure inside a reinforced concrete building. If they do happen to cut the coolant lines to the reactor by some quirk of fate then the reactor would SCRAM. There might be a little bit of damage to stuff that's housing radioactive materials but the radioactivity released to the surrounding environment would be negligible.

The three biggest NPP disasters have been a combination of bad design and human error. It's more likely that a Flemish NPP would have an accident through one of those than through a bomb.

But, a bomb in a nuclear power station would create mass panic in the surrounding area and countries, the media would melt down even if the reactor didn't, so there's that. It would also likely screw with the power supplies in the region for a while too since the most damage would probably be to things like the turbines or switching up transformers.

[Skybird]

Let's hope this is one isolated incident.

On what planet have you lived in the past years? ;)

It is not even the first attack in Belgium alone. In May 2014, two Algerians with French passports returned from Syria and opened fire in a Jewish museum in Brussels, leaving four dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#2010s

A list limited to terror strikes in European states alone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_European_Union

And that list does not include those plots that were spoiled in time. If these would not have been spoiled, there would have been several major events in Germany already as well.

[Schroeder]

Belgian authorities have released the photo of a suspect they are hunting for:

What I find frustrating is that we live in the year 2016 and still all CCTV footage of suspects that I've ever seen is blurry and low res. That could be anyone.:/\\!!

[Jimbuna]

What I find frustrating is that we live in the year 2016 and still all CCTV footage of suspects that I've ever seen is blurry and low res. That could be anyone.:/\\!!

I should imagine/hope that the authorities have the equipment to make the pictures more clear/recognisable.

[Skybird]

I hope they blow up a damn nuclear power plant and thousands die in Europe.
We do deserve so.

1. We still rely on nuclear power, despite what history taught us.
2. If we don't even protect these installations while Europe is flooded by terrorists, so be it.

Make it go boom and let's see what all the Gutmenschen have to say then.

Its misled emotions speaking here.

I doubt they were about blowing up those reactors, btw. Its more about stealing radioactive material. Either to build a bomb (big oho!-effect), poisoning people (drinking water, breathing air - medium oho!-effect) or to sell it and generate rich income on the blak market which then to invest in terror tools again (small oho!-effect).


BTW, some German media now have it at 36 dead and a minimum of 230 wounded. "Wounded" means ripped-off limbs in some cases, lost eye-sight, and so forth.

[Oberon]

I doubt they were about blowing up those reactors, btw. Its more about stealing radioactive material. Either to build a bomb (big oho!-effect), poisoning people (drinking water, breathing air - medium oho!-effect) or to sell it and generate rich income on the blak market which then to invest in terror tools again (small oho!-effect).

Entirely possible, not the easiest of tasks to undertake though. Probably a lot easier to get that sort of thing from old hospital equipment.
Still, any kind of bomb at an NPP would cause mass panic which is one of the main end goals of any terrorist attack.

[Betonov]

It takes a slav to understand a slav.

[Oberon]

It takes a slav to understand a slav.

Must be the Lithuanian in me then. :O:

[Oberon]

It takes a slav to understand a slav.

How do I understand it then? :O: Closest I have is Balt! :O::O:

[Commander Wallace]

Condolences to the families of those lost.

[Betonov]

How do I understand it then? :O: Closest I have is Balt! :O::O:

I just spent 10min starring into the screen trying to answer that :oops:
Must be in our genes, we are hardcoded to be an unruly bunch

[Oberon]

I just spent 10min starring into the screen trying to answer that :oops:
Must be in our genes, we are hardcoded to be an unruly bunch

:haha: Contrarian to the end, wouldn't have it any other way. :03:

[Betonov]

:haha: Contrarian to the end, wouldn't have it any other way. :03:

That's one of the qualities we have.

[Onkel Neal]

I think the terrorists would need to have Neals truck packed with the highest form of explosives you can find ....

:o I don't like the way that starts out. :wah:

[mapuc]

According to the Danish News Channel
Three men from Kosovo have been arrested by German police, they came from Belgium.

Markus

[Oberon]

:o I don't like the way that starts out. :wah:

You did remember to lock it up, right? :O:

[GoldenRivet]

Let me guess, Radical Methodists?

:nope:

[Oberon]

Let me guess, Radical Methodists?

:nope:

Nah, Radical Wafflists.

[eddie]

My heart goes out to all those hurt or killed in Brussels today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/Thony/CeJYjSsW4AE6AOk_zpslvkkwkej.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Thony/media/CeJYjSsW4AE6AOk_zpslvkkwkej.jpg.html)

[Tchocky]

Probably just a scare, everywhere is going to be jumpy after an attack like this. Besides, it takes a lot to damage a nuclear reactor to the point that it would leak dangerous levels of radiation into the surrounding area. Worse case scenario a suicide bomber would just cause the thing to SCRAM and shut down for a few weeks until they repaired it.


Yeah this was a standard procedure that was misreported. Staffing was cut to essentials in order to make the job of securing the plant easier. Completely normal for heightened security.

Checkpoints on the way back from Liege by the border.

Our security has gone up a few levels for the Brussels HQ and various installations.

Ach :(

[ikalugin]

Nuclear power plants are protected against hits by air liners I believe. Hence an external terrorist attack would be difficult to pull off.

What they could try to do is to gain control over the power plant and go through the procedure of shutting down the fail safes and then initiating the melt down. This would require however intricate knowledge of the powerplant desighn (in order to turn off the fail safes and initiate melt down) as well as both time (going though the procedure would require it) and firepower (to secure the powerplant).

This makes nuclear terrorism very difficult to pull off. It would be much easier to conduct an attack on some form of chemical industry - chlorine gas kills just the same as it did during the WW1.

[Oberon]

Nuclear power plants are protected against hits by air liners I believe. Hence an external terrorist attack would be difficult to pull off.

What they could try to do is to gain control over the power plant and go through the procedure of shutting down the fail safes and then initiating the melt down. This would require however intricate knowledge of the powerplant desighn (in order to turn off the fail safes and initiate melt down) as well as both time (going though the procedure would require it) and firepower (to secure the powerplant).

This makes nuclear terrorism very difficult to pull off. It would be much easier to conduct an attack on some form of chemical industry - chlorine gas kills just the same as it did during the WW1.

Agreed, in the aftermath of 9/11 we did briefly have Rapiers stationed at the local NPP I believe, but I don't think they're there any more, or if they are they've hidden them well.
But yeah, you could ram an airliner into it and it would make a mess of the external building but only dent the outer casing of the reactor vessel itself.

An attack on a chemical plant...that is a troubling scenario. I'm not sure enough of the internal workings or storage facilities of the average chlorine production plant so I couldn't really comment further.

[Rockstar]

There, see? its not so bad.

[August]

I think he's just still a little bit pissed off about WW2. It happens... :)

[d@rk51d3]

I roll my eyes that Trump should choose to take this opportunity to try and score political points.




Well, he's only human.

[Nippelspanner]

Well, he's only human.
Wow, what a pisspoor lame excuse to justify this kind of behavior... :shifty:

[d@rk51d3]

You missed the irony?

[Nippelspanner]

You missed the irony?
How could anyone tell there is irony in tha... ooohhhh!
I think I get it... :hmm2:

[Reece]

Well, he's only human.
Are you quite sure about that?:hmmm:

[MaDef]

Nuclear power plants are protected against hits by air liners I believe. Hence an external terrorist attack would be difficult to pull off.

What they could try to do is to gain control over the power plant and go through the procedure of shutting down the fail safes and then initiating the melt down. This would require however intricate knowledge of the powerplant desighn (in order to turn off the fail safes and initiate melt down) as well as both time (going though the procedure would require it) and firepower (to secure the powerplant).

This makes nuclear terrorism very difficult to pull off. It would be much easier to conduct an attack on some form of chemical industry - chlorine gas kills just the same as it did during the WW1. After reading the following story a few weeks ago, I'm starting to think that a group of determined men probably could do it. All it takes is for someone to find a weakness and the discipline to exploit it.
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-lucie-county/scuba-diver-sucked-in-to-nuclear-plant-water-pipe-files-suit

[Wildcat]

Determination, willingness to die in the attempt, and not being stupid ensure nearly 100% success rate. I think that stupidity stops a lot of terror attacks.

I feel sorry for all those innocent people who will die when smart yet brainwashed Islamic individuals decide to take on a nuclear power plant or other dangerous target.

I feel sorry for those people out there that still want to deny there is a problem with Islam. The very same people are often the ones harassing "climate change deniers" - how can you be so blind to such a dangerous threat?

Terror is not the only problem. Our ancient and beautiful cultures are being systematically wiped out.

[ikalugin]

Not really, though if pressed I could spin ww2 in all sorts of ways.

[ikalugin]

You need qualifications and specialist knowledge to shut down the fail safes. Melting down the reactor in any other way is very difficult, especially the modern designs with passive protection features.

[Catfish]

You need qualifications and specialist knowledge to shut down the fail safes. Melting down the reactor in any other way is very difficult, especially the modern designs with passive protection features.


You are of course right, however you see the reactors running in France, Germany and England are all from the 1960ies :haha:

[Mr Quatro]

I think any of us (subsim commanders) could come up with better ways to destroy men's faith than the enemy does ... yet the lid stays on the kettle.

Boils down to one thing evil is trying to overcome good ... New York's trade buildings coming down was a terrible event, but since 9/11 how many lives have been lost to terrorist activities in North America?

An invisible hand is on us all and when that hand is removed things happen.

I'll leave the tag words out ... just my faith talking :yep:

[Platapus]

What I find frustrating is that we live in the year 2016 and still all CCTV footage of suspects that I've ever seen is blurry and low res. That could be anyone.:/\\!!

Newer High quality surveillance camera systems are expensive. One also has to keep in mind the original purpose of these older systems. They were to alert the on-duty security personnel that something unusual was occurring that would trigger deploying of security personnel. These older systems were never designed, nor intended to be used, to collect forensic evidence to help identify an unknown suspect. At best they could provide an image that could be used in court with a known suspect.

There are newer systems available that have higher resolution. These are usually a mix of video and still cameras. Video cameras are better at showing suspicious activity, still cameras are still better at the higher resolution "for evidence" collection.

But it is not just an expensive replacement of equipment, the newer systems need to be relocated. Usually lower. In the past, there was a tradition that surveillance cameras be mounted up high looking down. Makes sense when you are trying to surveil a large area for suspicious activity. Not so good for collecting forensic evidence to attempt to identify the suspect. Banks and stores are already learning this.

Newer surveillance cameras need to located lower to get a more horizontal image of the person's face. That makes human and machine identification a lot easier. There is, however, a trade-off. Lower mounted cameras don't cover as much area so you need more cameras and the related infrastructure. For an airport, this could be a serious investment.

Airports were designed to move a lot of people quickly within a secured protected area. They were not designed to make it easy to surveil the people. I suspect that future airports (and other buildings) will be designed with surveillance in mind.

Sadly another way the terrorists are willing. :nope:

[Torplexed]

Looks like they've nabbed one of the suspects behind this massacre. Hopefully that won't set off another round of attacks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35879236

[Oberon]

You are of course right, however you see the reactors running in France, Germany and England are all from the 1960ies :haha:

Actually, whilst half of ours started construction in the sixties, they didn't actually become operational until at least a decade later, and they've had upgrades since to bring them up to modern safety levels.

When you think of it though, a reactor pressure vessel has to withstand internal temperatures of over 600C and pressures of over 2000psi. A bomb isn't going to cut it.

That being said, an attack on the spent fuel pool at a NPP could pose a real problem, and it would be an easier target than the reactor itself.

[Tchocky]

No flights today from BRU/EBBR.

[Oberon]

Looks like they've nabbed one of the suspects behind this massacre. Hopefully that won't set off another round of attacks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35879236

False alarm, sadly:


A suspect arrested in Brussels this morning was not Najim Laachraoui, thought to be one of three men in a CCTV image taken before the Zaventem airport attack, some Belgian media are now saying
The newspaper, DH, which first reported the story, says the man detained earlier on Wednesday in the Anderlecht district had been misidentified.
Police and prosecutors have not commented on the reports and are due to hold a news conference within the next hour.

[Rockstar]

Actually, whilst half of ours started construction in the sixties, they didn't actually become operational until at least a decade later, and they've had upgrades since to bring them up to modern safety levels.

When you think of it though, a reactor pressure vessel has to withstand internal temperatures of over 600C and pressures of over 2000psi. A bomb isn't going to cut it.

That being said, an attack on the spent fuel pool at a NPP could pose a real problem, and it would be an easier target than the reactor itself.

A bomb?

I'm taking a guess here but if they are from the 60's I assume they're water cooled reactors? Now I agree with you when you say safety systems are in place to prevent meltdown and they may even be somewhat bomb proof. However safety systems for water cooled reactors dont amount to a hill of beans when those systems are taken off grid and your generators are disabled.

Sure your average terrorist may not know how to operate a power plant and shut down a system by the numbers to cause a meltdown. But you dont have to be a rocket scientist to cut power and permanently disable back up systems.

Whats needed to prevent a meltdown is increased security of those key systems. But if they get by that you're screwed.



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[Catfish]

When i heard about this terror attack in Brussels, i am first and foremost european.

[Oberon]

A bomb?

I'm taking a guess here but if they are from the 60's I assume they're water cooled reactors? Now I agree with you when you say safety systems are in place to prevent meltdown and they may even be somewhat bomb proof. However safety systems for water cooled reactors dont amount to a hill of beans when those systems are taken off grid and your generators are disabled.

Sure your average terrorist may not know how to operate a power plant and shut down a system by the numbers to cause a meltdown. But you dont have to be a rocket scientist to cut power and permanently disable back up systems.

Whats needed to prevent a meltdown is increased security of those key systems. But if they get by that you're screwed.



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I see what you mean, because of the decay heat effect, perhaps if the terrorist used some form of device which restricted access to the reactor area for a few days, an NBC device, that might do it, but otherwise even if power to the reactor was lost, the control rods would drop under gravity (unless it's a BWR in which case they have to use a hydraulic method but nearly all the BWRs in western Europe are being decommed anyway) which would buy you some time to get coolant into the reactor to reduce the decay heat.
The fuel rod pool is a bit harder, you'd need a whole load of fire engines constantly dropping water in it to make sure it didn't dry up if the pool wall happens to get cracked. The release of radioactive water into the nearby environment would be bad, but not as bad as what would happen if the fuel rods were exposed.

I'll grant that it is possible, no system is perfect and there are weak points in every design. It could be done, it wouldn't happen immediately since the control rods would buy some time, but if the response teams couldn't re-establish coolant in the 24 hours after the attack then the chances of a meltdown raise significantly. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

It's what happened at the Fukushima power plant. A tsunami took it off the grid and destroyed the back systems and didn't take very long to awaken Godzilla.

Security wise I can only imagine. But Id guess its like any safe, not perfect and can be cracked. A safe's security rating is based on the amount of time it takes to open it and is only meant to increase the crooks chances of getting caught before he or she can breech it. But it can be breeched.


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[AVGWarhawk]

On what planet have you lived in the past years? ;)

It is not even the first attack in Belgium alone. In May 2014, two Algerians with French passports returned from Syria and opened fire in a Jewish museum in Brussels, leaving four dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#2010s

A list limited to terror strikes in European states alone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_European_Union

And that list does not include those plots that were spoiled in time. If these would not have been spoiled, there would have been several major events in Germany already as well.


I meant for the day. In short, no additional bombings across the city/country as see in Paris with several spots/shooters.

[Oberon]

It's what happened at the Fukushima power plant. A tsunami took it off the grid and destroyed the back systems and didn't take very long to awaken Godzilla.

Security wise I can only imagine. But Id guess its like any safe, not perfect and can be cracked. A safe's security rating is based on the amount of time it takes to open it and is only meant to increase the crooks chances of getting caught before he or she can breech it. But it can be breeched.


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At the risk of incurring your earlier prediction, the 2011 earthquake and tsunami was a once in a millennia event, however I will admit that the poor design (which was contrary to what European and American nuclear power plant designers had advised on) also did a lot to exacerbate the situation.

I agree with your assessment on security though, there is no such thing as a perfect system, and whenever you build a mouse trap they design a bigger mouse. I think a lot of it though is deterrance, to make the mission so difficult and uncertain of success that the plotters choose an easier target. Certainly there has to be some reason that in the 15 years since 9/11 terrorists have kept to the relatively low cost but high reward suicide bomb or firearm assault tactics rather than try another aircraft hijack, train hijack or other specialist attack mechanism. Likewise there have been no mass co-ordinated attacks on infrastructure, no water supply poisoning, no chemical or biological attack, none of the grand scale mass destructive events that we all predicted would occur in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
Now, never say never, it could well happen, and the longer this war goes on, the more likely at some point it will happen. However in the meantime, the biggest problem is how to deal with the current trend of suicide bomb and/or firearm assault because as it stands, I don't think there is a way that it can be stopped, to paraphrase a saying from the early 20th century 'The suicide bomber will always get through'. :hmmm:

[mapuc]

I think we should give our self a clap on our shoulder-Why-We are expert on discussing and even more discussing and throwing words and point fingers at each others

In meantime these-radical Islams get a stronger foothold In Europe.

Markus

[Oberon]

I presume by 'we' you mean the countries of Europe, rather than the members of this forum? :hmmm:

[mapuc]

I presume by 'we' you mean the countries of Europe, rather than the members of this forum? :hmmm:

You are right. I should have said that

It's our politicians who are expert on discussing and saying things without content.

Sorry for having pointed finger at you. What more can we, ordinary people do, other than discuss these problems

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

In meantime these-radical Islams get a stronger foothold In Europe.

Markus


The issue runs deeper as some are home grown.

[Oberon]

No flights today from BRU/EBBR.

Passenger flights now cancelled until Saturday. No word on cargo.

[mapuc]

Nah, it's cool, the English language can be delightfully vague at times.
But yes, there is an element of powerlessness in modern society when it comes to the disconnection between those in power and those they hold power over. That's part of, I think at least, the reason that people are drifting to extreme left and right parts of politics because they are disillusioned with the status quo.


I follow some of our Danish and Swedish politicians on Facebook.

Also those who are outside the two parliament

From those party leader the words of action is strongest-That's is for me OK, they are working hard to get elected and almost everything goes.

What makes me sad is that many, so to say worship what these leader say, they do not understand that, when elected, its going to be something like "Sorry, you must have remembered wrong, we party XX haven't these thing " a.s.o They have been elected and can relax.....until its election day again.

Markus

[Tchocky]

Passenger flights now cancelled until Saturday. No word on cargo.


Flying into BRU from Dublin early Sunday morning. We'll see!

[eddie]

if this article is true, more of the same that has happened in Brussels will happen again in Europe. Stay alert over there!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/is-trains-400-fighters-to-attack-europe-in-wave-of-bloodshed/ar-BBqQ20q

[eddie]

What they found at one of the terrorists apartment. A whole lot of stuff to cause as much carnage as possible!

"Authorities also found large stockpiles of bomb-building materials at his apartment in the Schaerbeek area of Brussels, the prosecutor said: 33 pounds of TATP explosives, nearly 40 gallons of acetone, eight gallons of hydrogen peroxide, detonators and a suitcase full of nails and screws."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/second-suicide-bomber-at-brussels-airport-was-islamic-state-bombmaker-intelligence-officials-say/ar-BBqOOw2

[momo55]

So proud to be a Belgian :


Just hours after the horrific attacks in our capital Brussels, Belgians are fighting back with kindness.
Using the hashtags #Ikwilhelpen or "I want to help", and #OpenHouse, they are offering help to those stranded after the blasts on tuesday morning Belgian time put the city under lockdown.


While some were offering their homes, others were offering to pick up stranded people and drive them to safety.



My deepest sympathy & best wishes to all families & friends of those who have died or were injured by this dreadful attack .

[Oberon]

No doubt there will be some who will want to rain on their parade, but I say good on them. We will be hit, we will be hurt, but we will not become what they want us to, what their propaganda paints us as.
I hope we won't anyway. :yep:

[em2nought]

Hopefully the Donald will lend-lease you guys a few "special" presents for our common foe. Presents they should have received fifteen years ago. :03:

[Bubblehead1980]

Tolerance kills, hope Europe gets it's act together.

[Catfish]

if this article is true, more of the same that has happened in Brussels will happen again in Europe. Stay alert over there!

Yes thanks, but it looks like it is only a matter of time :stare:

You can fight a regular army, and you can wage war against other countries, but fighting terrorism cannot be done like a "war". This is even more "asymmetrical" than fighting partisans or Daesh in Syria.
You need to infiltrate the scene, contact the right persons etc, the regular police is not trained for the job, nor have they enough men here in Germany. And you have to do that years, before they organise those crimes.
"They" can be everywhere, which adds to the feeling of insecurity, and thatis of course exactly what they like us to feel.

It is however good to see how the european police is working together and transferring information, after some initial 'friction'. Whatever happens, we will not show the white feather, leave the EU and hope for the best. Jetzt erst recht!

So sorry for Belgium, and all those who suffer.

[Betonov]

Tolerance kills, hope Europe gets it's act together.

No, being tolerant to the intolerant kills. Like islamists, far right and you.

[Nippelspanner]

No, being tolerant to the intolerant kills. Like islamists, far right and you.
:huh:
http://i.imgur.com/vodh31m.png

[Betonov]

And let me just ad, the far left, naive, moronic, out of touch with reality.
Let's be fair to both sides.

(far left as the regressive left, not commies)

[Catfish]

...Let's be fair to both sides.
(far left as the regressive left, not commies)

You are right, there are not much real commies left. :O:

[Betonov]

You are right, there are not much real commies left. :O:

The biggest commie I know (I swear, if you stand to close to him you can hear partisan songs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MruK6VkJuA) comming out of his ear) owns 3 micro hydroelectric plants

[Oberon]

I had the misfortune of seeing Bubbles earlier pre-edited reply where he praised the rise of the hard right in Europe. :dead:

http://www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/heil.jpg

[Subnuts]

Good thing Joseph Stalin, Nicolae Ceaușescu, Benito Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Erich Honecker, Slobadan Milosevic, Enver Hoxha, and That Guy with the Mustache didn't give into the evil of tolerance. Fellow Europeans could have been killed! :o

[Oberon]

Quite so. :haha:

I must just correct my previous statement, he didn't praise the rise of the hard right, his exact quote was "Hopefully the hard right will make a come back in Europe..."

[Tchocky]

These events are depressing enough without the usual round of "told-you-so" from the falling sky merchants.


In other news, the train station in Maastricht was closed off last night due to a suspicious package. I was walking past as the bomb squad arrived.

http://i.imgur.com/DRrzeDw.jpg?1


Nothing was actually found but it illustrates how things are going.

Fun times.

[Betonov]

Europe does need a soft right though, someone to put the foot down and introduce some reasonable measures. Reasonable.

But a soft right is not votable by the terrified population :nope:

[Oberon]

These events are depressing enough without the usual round of "told-you-so" from the falling sky merchants.


In other news, the train station in Maastricht was closed off last night due to a suspicious package. I was walking past as the bomb squad arrived.

Nothing was actually found but it illustrates how things are going.

Fun times.

I remember the days back during 'The Troubles' when it was almost a daily occurrence that a tube station in London would be briefly closed because of a 'suspicious package', if you watch Michael Palins 'Eighty Days Around the World' it happens on his return to the UK.
Sadly there will be a lot of heightened tensions in Belgium, France, Holland and the UK over the next few months, well...I say sadly, but honestly it's probably for the best, so long as we don't have another De Menezes incident, and also we must be careful not to harrass ordinary non-radical Muslims and risk pushing them into the camp of the extremists.

[Rockstar]

I remember the days back during 'The Troubles' when it was almost a daily occurrence that a tube station in London would be briefly closed because of a 'suspicious package', if you watch Michael Palins 'Eighty Days Around the World' it happens on his return to the UK.
Sadly there will be a lot of heightened tensions in Belgium, France, Holland and the UK over the next few months, well...I say sadly, but honestly it's probably for the best, so long as we don't have another De Menezes incident, and also we must be careful not to harrass ordinary non-radical Muslims and risk pushing them into the camp of the extremists.

That is so naive. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should have to live in the 'new norm' because of a lack of action.

I can sympathize with the very few from the middle east who truely desire to escape oppression and make life for themselves in a new country. Its unfortunate they get caught up in this.

But ya know what? Europe is shooting themselves in the foot doing nothing and allowing such an unrestricted flow of migrants into their country. Its apparent the way ISIS boasts that European leaders dont have a clue who the heck is entering. They are coming right out telling you they are going to kill you and you sit there like a bump on a log chirping about tolerance and political wings. Its easy close the boarder. You all have voiced a lot of concerned about the so called non radicalized muslim and their families. I suggest you start thinking a lot more about your own and those who will in the future lose loved ones at the hands of those you are defending.

I think you and your leaders are delusional thinking a mass of people this large will assimilate and become citizens of a host nation. They will not, instead they'll continue gather together in the slums you provided them and live their lives according to their religious laws, culture and lifestyle, like they always have. They have no interest in coexistence and that even extends to those who don't participate in the heinous acts of the terrorists or their 8th century interpretation of their holy book. The true believer looks forward to give his life as martyr for Islam and its been shown in report after report that even (using your term) "non-radicalized muslims" approve of their methods and will remain silent.

Stop talking nonsense, close the boarder.

[Dowly]

We really do need stricter border control. Radicalized people from Europe can go to Middle-East to get their "Allahu Ackbar" training and then return back to Europe somewhat effortlessly.

Sure, intelligence agencies most likely take note of them, but those people usually just disappear once they get back in Europe.

As someone put it:

"Everyone's again shocked, asking "How can this happen?",
they put Belgian flags on their profile pictures on Facebook
and remind that fear should not take over.

In a couple of weeks the dust settles and it's business as usual.
The next strike shocks us again and the routine as before repeats."

[AVGWarhawk]

Dowly;2392175]We really do need stricter border control. Radicalized people from Europe can go to Middle-East to get their "Allahu Ackbar" training and then return back to Europe somewhat effortlessly. Trump supporter? Secured borders certainly. Our border allows anyone through without much recourse.

Sure, intelligence agencies most likely take note of them, but those people usually just disappear once they get back in Europe. Same goes on here.

As someone put it:

"Everyone's again shocked, asking "How can this happen?",
they put Belgian flags on their profile pictures on Facebook
and remind that fear should not take over.

Yep, coloring my facebook picture will help. It is a crock. Not much done if anything at all. Don't want to offend anyone.

In a couple of weeks the dust settles and it's business as usual.
The next strike shocks us again and the routine as before repeats."

Yep, rinse and repeat. Sit on our thumbs or.....simply state no more XXX people allowed in the country until a handle is put on this. But that notion offends people.

[Mr Quatro]

Fear must be their weapon of choice and it is working ... :o

What happens if isis really does have WMD's at their disposal?
What happens if they are close to losing the war in Iraq and or Syria?
Would these common enemies to us all use them?

Is it fear to think they might unleash problems on Europe or the USA as the likes of men have never seen?

This option must be one of the topics the agencies that are involved are able to discuss ... :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Fear must be their weapon of choice and it is working ... :o



It is the best weapon they have. Here in the US with home grown terrorists do make many think twice about attending events. Boston Marathon bombing. The night clubs in Paris. Typical activities people do or did without much worry other than what a bottle of water might cost.

[Dowly]

@AVG: I support Trump's wig's right to live its own life far away from that looney head.

100% closed borders won't happen anytime soon, but people need to start seeing that open borders are not working anymore. Would border control stop every terrorist? No, of course it wouldn't, but it sure is better than having no control at all.

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35888748

:dead:

[Oberon]

Got to agree on border control and on those who go to Syria and come back. If you go to Syria to fight alongside Daesh then you should lose your passport, it should be a one way journey. If you go to Syria for any other reason then you should probably be sent to a psychologist but not to prison.
The migrant flow does need better management, and nations like Poland who unilaterally decide not to accept any migrants need to be told to either accept a quota or leave the EU. If that doesn't work then it's probably just time to scrap Schengen and give up on the EU since it can't pass the most basic of tests.

[Dowly]

Got to agree on border control and on those who go to Syria and come back. If you go to Syria to fight alongside Daesh then you should lose your passport, it should be a one way journey.

I think the difficulty, especially now after last year's migrant crisis is simply overburdened intelligence. They likely can't keep up with everyone.

I mean, if someone wants to go to Syria, or Turkey, or Iraq etc., you can't really stop them just because they want to go to country X.

It is when they return from those countries they should be extra checked.

Yes, it will cause troubles for ordinary tourists, but I think that is fair enough considering the possible outcomes.

[Oberon]

Tu-22Ms have returned to their home bases of Kaluga, Murmansk and Irkutsk from where they had been sortieeing on mission to Syria from Mozdok which indicates an end to their role in Russian air operations in Syria and a possibly general draw down of the Russian bombing campaign.

[AVGWarhawk]

@AVG: I support Trump's wig's right to live its own life far away from that looney head.

100% closed borders won't happen anytime soon, but people need to start seeing that open borders are not working anymore. Would border control stop every terrorist? No, of course it wouldn't, but it sure is better than having no control at all.


Yep, instead of lighting up candles in remembrance perhaps lighting up a few ISIS encampments is more prudent.

[Oberon]

I think the difficulty, especially now after last year's migrant crisis is simply overburdened intelligence. They likely can't keep up with everyone.

I mean, if someone wants to go to Syria, or Turkey, or Iraq etc., you can't really stop them just because they want to go to country X.

It is when they return from those countries they should be extra checked.

Yes, it will cause troubles for ordinary tourists, but I think that is fair enough considering the possible outcomes.

Makes sense, but then that'll mean that you'll need extra staff on border control and they're barely coping as it is. :hmmm: It's a good idea, but given how well things are being organised in Europe these days, I'd expect it to cause absolute chaos for months.
Better that than the alternative, I'll agree.

[Dowly]

Yep, instead of lighting up candles in remembrance perhaps lighting up a few ISIS encampments is more prudent.Yes, burning piles of ISIS corpses is good. What I am worried about are the collateral damages.

Every bit of collateral damage, be it 4yo girl of a family or the only goat of a family of six, will just push them against west, after all it was west who killed them.

[Dowly]

Makes sense, but then that'll mean that you'll need extra staff on border control and they're barely coping as it is. :hmmm: It's a good idea, but given how well things are being organised in Europe these days, I'd expect it to cause absolute chaos for months.
Better that than the alternative, I'll agree.

I agree and understand that it won't be easy. In Finland, we've got reserves to call for additional border control (as has been called).

I wish I had a solution to the problem, but I don't. It's a ****ty situation. But something needs to be done.

[Betonov]

I wish I had a solution to the problem, but I don't. It's a ****ty situation. But something needs to be done.

Not much will be done.
People in power won't do anything because that would require work and people not in power will feed fear into the voters so they can get to power and sit on asses all day.

[Oberon]

Yes, burning piles of ISIS corpses is good. What I am worried about are the collateral damages.

Every bit of collateral damage, be it 4yo girl of a family or the only goat of a family of six, will just push them against west, after all it was west who killed them.

That is the biggest problem with our campaign in the Middle East...well...ok, maybe one of the biggest problem, because the enemy knows our desire to try and avoid collateral damage and will deliberately positions themselves as to use civilians as shields.
The sooner we develop ultra-precise weapon systems which can kill individuals in a crowd without harming any bystanders, the better.

I agree and understand that it won't be easy. In Finland, we've got reserves to call for additional border control (as has been called).

I wish I had a solution to the problem, but I don't. It's a ****ty situation. But something needs to be done.

I agree, something does need to be done, and it's going to take someone with bold leadership to stand up and tell the other nations of the EU what needs to be done instead of this 'every country for itself' rule of law that we have at the moment.
Unfortunately this crisis has come at the worst possible time for the EU when one half of it doesn't even want to be in the EU and the other half is just there for the free money. So even if Tante Merkel stood up tomorrow and told the EU what is going to be done, I think half the EU would just laugh, stick two fingers up at her and do their own thing, even under threat of removal. :nope:

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, burning piles of ISIS corpses is good. What I am worried about are the collateral damages.

Every bit of collateral damage, be it 4yo girl of a family or the only goat of a family of six, will just push them against west, after all it was west who killed them.


It is tough to fight the one surrounded by others not involved. ISIS understands that tactic very well. :down:

[Skybird]

Refreshing Klartext, by Gideon Böss, based on precise perception and clear conclusion. In German.

http://boess.welt.de/2016/03/24/jetzt-also-bruessel/


Nach den Anschlägen von Brüssel geht alles seinen routinierten Gang. Es gibt die frechen Cartoons und Symbolbilder, mit denen „das Netz“ auf den Terror reagiert und die mittlerweile doch zunehmend auch mehr hilflos als souverän wirken. Es gibt die Statements aus der Politik, die einen Angriff auf „unsere Werte“ feststellen, die wir aber gerade deswegen umso entschiedener Verteidigen werden.

Und vor allem gibt es die immer gleichen Versuche, Schuldige zu suchen und Erklärungen für den Terror zu finden. Sehr beliebt ist dabei die Warnung davor, Moslems ins gesellschaftliche Abseits zu stellen, weil sie das radikalisieren könnte. Das ist gut gemeint, aber trotzdem auf gleich mehreren Ebenen falsch. Genauer: dieses Denken ist Teil des Problems, statt Teil der Lösung. Es geht damit los, dass gesellschaftlich abgehängten Moslems damit (entschuldigend) unterstellt wird, dass sie eben zu Terroristen werden, wenn sie von der Mehrheitsgesellschaft nicht offen aufgenommen werden. Warum passiert das anderen Abgehängten denn nicht? Ist das wirklich ein spezielles muslimisches Ding, gar nicht anders zu können, als zur Gewalt zu greifen, wenn der soziale Aufstieg nicht klappt?

In Wahrheit ist das eine rassistische Haltung gegenüber Moslem, denen man nicht zutraut, wie zivilisierte Menschen den minimalen Konsens einzuhalten, bitte keine Terroranschläge durchzuführen, wenn Lebensträume platzen. Zumal schon der 11.September von Moslems durchgeführt wurden, die alles andere als sozial abgehängt waren. Es handelte sich um gut ausgebildete Studenten, denen beruflich die Welt offen gestanden hätte. Wer trotzdem auf die Formel beharrt, dass soziale Ausgrenzung und Terror zusammenfallen, will vor allem die Schuld für den Terror beim „Westen“ sehen. Das ist natürlich bequem, denn wenn „die Gesellschaft“ schuld ist, kann man sich in das Vertiefen, worin es der Westen ohnehin zur Meisterschaft gebracht hat: Selbstanklage.

In Wahrheit ist die Sache relativ einfach. Nicht die (tatsächliche oder eingebildete) soziale Ausgrenzung ist Grundlage für Terror, sondern die erfolgreiche Verbreitung von theologisch begründetem Hass auf Nichtmoslems. Belgien hat auf unverantwortliche Weise dem radikalen Islam aus (unter anderem) Saudi-Arabien Tür und Tor geöffnet, saudische Hassprediger beeinflussen seit Jahrzehnten die muslimischen Milieus in diesem Land und auch ein Großteil der muslimischen Infrastruktur dort wird aus Riad finanziert und gesteuert. Saudi-Arabien sieht für jeden Verstoß gegen die Regeln des Islam drakonische Strafen vor, lässt Homosexuelle hängen, steinigt Frauen und köpft seine Kritiker. Saudi-Arabien ist eine Vorfeldorganisation der Hölle. Ihr zu erlauben, sich in Belgien auszubreiten, war an Blauäugigkeit und Ignoranz kaum zu überbieten. Belgiens Behörden und Regierungen gehören damit zu denen, die sich einer Mitverantwortung für das Entstehen einer blutdurstigen Islamistenszene nicht entziehen können. Man wird nicht aus Verzweiflung zum Gotteskrieger, sondern aus Überzeugung. Und hassvolle Imame und andere religiöse Autoritäten sorgen dafür, dass diese Überzeugungen reifen können.

Wenn Islamisten sich zu ihren Taten bekennen, reden sie schließlich nicht über kränkende Zurückweisungen durch die Mehrheitsgesellschaft, sondern sie sprechen umgekehrt voller Verachtung über den dekadenten Westen, dessen Werte sie zerschlagen wollen. Sie wollen gar nicht dazu gehören. Ihr Ziel ist es, unsere Werte durch ihre zu ersetzen. Das ist ein Krieg der Ideen, der von ihnen blutig ausgetragen wird. Das zu begreifen, ist notwendig, um diesen Krieg zu gewinnen.

[Dowly]

Don't understand German.. for the 400th time, Skybird.

[Bubblehead1980]

I had the misfortune of seeing Bubbles earlier pre-edited reply where he praised the rise of the hard right in Europe. :dead:

http://www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/heil.jpg

Yes, I changed it because knew people would take my remarks out of context and say I was advocating some of the terrible things in Europe's history with the far right, such as the holocaust and obviously, I was not.

However, the left has just ruined many beautiful countries in Europe.Their naive tolerance towards the scourge of islam is why the whole damn continent is under siege basically and even now, many refuse to take proper action.

Much as one can learning from older siblings, my country(USA) must learn and must take action to ensure we never end up like this, and we are at the tipping point.With doltish politicians wanting to import more and more muslim "refugees" we can not properly vet for security reasons etc, we are at a tipping point.Trump will likely win and will stop this nonsense, sure hope so.Otherwise in a short time, we will have the same problem.

I do hope the hard right comes back, without the craziness such as genocide etc but the left has no backbone to do what is needed.Like it or not, we(the civilized world) are at war with the uncivilized world, ie the islamic.No, not at war with all muslims as individuals but islam as the barbaric cult that is. Again, not saying all muslims are terrible people, but it's war time , clash of civilizations and the civilized world must take it's head out of the sand before it is too late.

[Oberon]

So what sort of hard right regime which hasn't done any of the craziness would you pick as the sort of regime that should be in Europe? :hmmm:

[mapuc]

Heard and saw on the news today that the authorities had increased the protection of the Vatican-There should be some picture of the Pope on the Internet and some other things that have made the Italian authorities increase the protection of the Vatican and the Pope.

It could be as thousands before-Fake information

There are places you just do not attack or destroy and the Vatican is one among of them

Markus

[eddie]

Good to see that Michelle Bachmann is still speaking for God these days! She claims that God sent the terrorists to Brussels to humiliate Obama because he has turned his back on Israel! It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid that sorry excuse for a female really is!:haha:

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/michele-bachmann-brussels-attacks/2016/03/24/id/720747/

[Torplexed]

Good to see that Michelle Bachmann is still speaking for God these days! She claims that God sent the terrorists to Brussels to humiliate Obama because he has turned his back on Israel! It never ceases to amaze me just how stupid that sorry excuse for a female really is!:haha:


Going by her weird and twisted logic, I guess God sent terrorists to New York and the Pentagon on 9/11 to humiliate George W. Bush for a deed far worse. We must have made some progress since then. :doh:

[mapuc]

I do hope that the terror attack in Brussels was a one-timer.

It's a small hope Its more likely I have to wait for the next breaking news

If it should happen in the Capital of Sweden or Denmark I know what our authorities will do

1. They will send a brochure to those who they think could have planned this or could be behind this-Telling that what they have done was not nice.

2. Should that not help they will send some left-wing politicians who will offer them "dialog-coffee-talk and they will also get some more brochure.

3. Should none of the above help, they are going to use the ultimate weapon-They will send these terrorist on a tax-paid luxurious trip to a place picked by them self.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Funny stuff Markus ... :D

If it should happen in the Capital of Sweden or Denmark I know what our authorities will do

1. They will send a brochure to those who they think could have planned this or could be behind this-Telling that what they have done was not nice.

2. Should that not help they will send some left-wing politicians who will offer them "dialog-coffee-talk and they will also get some more brochure.

3. Should none of the above help, they are going to use the ultimate weapon-They will send these terrorist on a tax-paid luxurious trip to a place picked by them self.

Markus

They won't stop it's against their chosen way of life to bring us all into subjection to their God of vengeance (OMG I said a tag word) :oops:

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, should I move this thread into the existing terrorism thread now?

[Dowly]

Ok, should I move this thread into the existing terrorism thread now?
Aye, merge it with the existing one.

[Reece]

Yeh, it's gone stale now!:yep:

[Tchocky]

Don't understand German.. for the 400th time, Skybird.

Do you really think we're missing anything earth-shattering?

[Schroeder]

Don't understand German.. for the 400th time, Skybird.
That just shows how bad the Finnish education system is!:hmph:

:O:

[Jimbuna]

Threads merged.

[tomfon]

ISIS' Second-in-Command, Haji Imam, Killed in Raid (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/isis-s-second-command-killed-raid-sources-n545451)

[Jimbuna]

Good riddance!!

[Dowly]

That just shows how bad the Finnish education system is!:hmph:

:O:
You can actually study German as a volunteer subject. :yep:

[Nippelspanner]

That just shows how bad the Finnish education system is!:hmph:

:O:
Ja!

You can actually study German as a volunteer subject. :yep:
See, that's what he meant.
"Volunteer" tss!

Education should means to force wisdom upon people.
Start with German, ja!

[Betonov]

Education should means to force wisdom upon people.
Start with German, ja!

Schülen im Slovenia hast obligatorisch Deutsch Lehre im mittel Schule
(I failed second year high school due to German :O:)

[Skybird]

Its being reported that a Belgian security guard, working as guard in one nuclear power plant, has been assassinated on Thursday, most likely to gain possession of his security ID card for the perimeter. German media report that Greek police already in January 2015 (!) had warned the Belgians that they had found plans for striking the Belgian airport. The Belgians - did nothing. Finally it gets reported that a terrorist who meanwhile got killed in fightings in Syria, in the past has passed easily the security checks for getting employed in one of the Belgian nuclear reactors, they did not say whether he worked for the reactor company or for a sub-contractor.

One was tempted to think that the Belgian police may have been overburdened, because it is small due to the small country and small population. But I increasingly question its competence, and the naivety of its political leadership is a given anyway: Until yesterday the Belgian state attorney managed to spend one hour only - in numbers: 1 hour - with interrogating Abdesalam. Wowh. They are really going for it, aren't they.

Belgian newpapers reported already in mid february that terrorists spied on and observed nuclear reactors in Belgium. But not before two weeks had passed after the warning bells were rung, the Belgians send military to sentry duty at these installations.

I more and more get the impression that Belgium indeed got what its leaders have intensively asked for. The bill gets paid by the victims. Maybe they should ask the FBI for taking over.

[Onkel Neal]

I hope they blow up a damn nuclear power plant and thousands die in Europe.
We do deserve so.

1. We still rely on nuclear power, despite what history taught us.
2. If we don't even protect these installations while Europe is flooded by terrorists, so be it.

Make it go boom and let's see what all the Gutmenschen have to say then.

You may be getting your wish (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-belgium-blast-nuclear-idUSKCN0WS09E)

[Jimbuna]

Link not working :hmm2:

This site can’t be reached

belgian%20nuclear%20guard%20shot%20and%20security% 20access%20badge%20stolen’s server DNS address could not be found.

[Torplexed]

Link not working :hmm2:

Link seems to work on this end.


Belgian nuclear guard shot, prosecutor rules out militant link
BRUSSELS

Two days after bomb attacks at Brussels airport and on a packed metro killed 31 people and injured hundreds, a security guard who worked at a Belgian nuclear site was killed but the local prosecutor on Saturday ruled out any militant link.

The Charleroi prosecutor's office also denied media reports that his security pass had been stolen and been de-activated as soon as investigators raised the alarm, public broadcaster VTM said.

The office declined to comment when contacted by Reuters.

Le Soir newspaper said the man was a guard at Belgium's national radioactive elements institute at Fleurus, to the south of Brussels.

A police spokeswoman said she could not comment because an investigation was ongoing.

In a nation on high alert following this week's attacks, the media reports tap into fears about the possibility militants are seeking to get hold of nuclear material or planning to attack a nuclear site.

On Thursday, DH had reported the suicide bombers who blew themselves up on Tuesday originally considered targeting a nuclear site, but a series of arrests of suspect militants forced them to speed up their plans and instead switch focus to the Belgian capital.

Late last year, investigators found a video tracking the movements of a man linked to the country's nuclear industry during a search of a flat as part of investigations into the Islamist militant attack on Paris on Nov. 13 that killed 130 people.

The video, lasting several hours, showed footage of the entrance to a home in northern Belgium and the arrival and departure of the director of Belgium's nuclear research program.

(Reporting by Barbara Lewis, Foo Yun Chee and Philip Blenkinsop; Editing by Alison Williams)

[Schroeder]

Looks like they got the third airport attacker:
http://www.ibtimes.com/third-suspected-attacker-brussels-arrested-charged-report-says-2343598

[Oberon]

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-supporter-gets-90-day-jail-term-and-probation-for-plot-to-bomb-muslims/

:hmmm:

[Rockstar]

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-supporter-gets-90-day-jail-term-and-probation-for-plot-to-bomb-muslims/

:hmmm:

I can understand why you might be going :hmmm:

Bomb plot? That article should probably go in the all purpose politics thread. Looks like the piece is more about Trump than some guy who got 90 days for attempting to prevent the free excercise of anothers civil right.

[Oberon]

I can understand why you might be going :hmmm:

Bomb plot? That article should probably go in the all purpose politics thread. Looks like the piece is more about Trump than some guy who got 90 days for attempting to prevent the free excercise of anothers civil right.

Quite, does seem rather keen to point out his choice of political party and leadership of it, my major :hmmm: though is the sentence, rather lenient all things considered.

[Jimbuna]

Link seems to work on this end.

Yep, working now :salute:

Looks like they got the third airport attacker:
http://www.ibtimes.com/third-suspected-attacker-brussels-arrested-charged-report-says-2343598

Looks like the Belgians are finally getting their act together after all the recent criticism they've been receiving.

[Rockstar]

Quite, does seem rather keen to point out his choice of political party and leadership of it, my major :hmmm: though is the sentence, rather lenient all things considered.

It also seems most media has been very selective in pointing out which politician they thought should be blamed for anothers actions too.

“Hillary Would make a great president. If she would commit to what she is hiding. But she has to crucify the president. Then her run for the White house is over.” - William Celli- 22 Oct 2015

[Jimbuna]

Looks like Palmyra is close to or has been recaptured.

A monitoring group has backed the Syrian government's claim that the city was recaptured overnight by the army.
Military sources say the Syrian army now has "full control". It had been gaining ground for several days, supported by Russian air strikes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35906568

[Jimbuna]

This kind of behaviour in Brussels certainly doesn't help anyone either.

Belgian police have fired water cannon to disperse self-declared fascists who stormed a central square in Brussels.
People had gathered at the Place de la Bourse to pay tribute at a makeshift memorial for victims of last Tuesday's deadly attacks.
Riot police intervened to try to restore order after the group confronted Muslim women in the crowds, made Nazi salutes and chanted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35907469

[eddie]

Looks like Palmyra is close to or has been recaptured.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35906568

Great! Raqqa is next!

[Jimbuna]

Great! Raqqa is next!

That would certainly be the ultimate prize :yep:

[August]

Looks like Palmyra is close to or has been recaptured.

At least what's left of it. :nope:

[Oberon]

This kind of behaviour in Brussels certainly doesn't help anyone either.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35907469

Sadly to be expected, and there'll be plenty more where that came from, I'm sure.

[Schroeder]

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-supporter-gets-90-day-jail-term-and-probation-for-plot-to-bomb-muslims/

:hmmm:
These guys were more successful:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/27/asia/pakistan-lahore-deadly-blast/index.html

German media says that most victims were Christians celebrating Easter in that park....

[Rockstar]

Seems media is making unsubstantiated accusiations again or just plain making it up as they go along, who knows.

The BBC's Anna Holligan in Brussels says the group involved in the demonstration actually call themselves Casuals against Terrorism - not Fascists against Terrorism as earlier reported.

Some of the hundreds-strong group wore balaclavas and anonymous masks. Many wore black clothing. Some reports described them as football hooligans.
One of them, called Andres, told AFP news agency: "We are football hooligans, we don't have anything to do with politics."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35907469

This behavior should be expected though when there is no control over immigration, terrorism , and your neighborhood explodes. THIS is what happens when you push too far and offend the native people. Muslims have radicalized the football hooligans!

Yep that whats happening we're all being radicalized by Muslims. :har: :o

[Skybird]

Taliban bomb slayer kills 69, intentionally targetting Christians.

German bishop Margot Käßmann, female, divorced, and caught and sentenced for driving drunk and blessed with neither a brain nor the desire to have gotten one, tells Germans on Easter Sunday that they "should meet terrorism with Christian love", for this would be a provocation.
http://img.welt.de/img/deutschland/crop153713049/5199848175-ci3x2s-w300/Eroeffnung-der-Woche-der-Bruederlichkeit-2016.jpg

She reminds me of a joke. It goes like this:

Hell has its annual open day, and the devil himself leads around a group of visitors soon to die and who have not yet decided whether they should book their residence for the afterlife in heaven or in hell. He leads them around, and the visitors are stunned: there is tabledance bars and classical ballet, museum and jazz jam sessions, green meadows to play Golf and sunny parks to run picnics, beautiful natural ressorts to camp in, and whatever the heart desires: it is there, all all the inhabitants' desires get fulfilled by magic immediately. The guests are enthusiastic about hell, and the devil says "This is the real hell, everyone appreciates being here, its always like this, no hooks, no traps, you must love it, so enjoy your stay!" - Then they pass by a somewhat forsaken road leading into a darkness, its cold and the wind is howling, rain clouds everywhere, its desolate, and and from the distant shadows, where grey fog is hanging in the air, they hear heart-breaking crying and yellings of pain, and the atmosphere of despair around is so thick that you could take a knife and literally cut slices out of it. A visitor from the guided tour, slightly irritated, asks the devil "What is this a place?" And the devil looks down the alley, shrugs his shoulders and says: "Oh, that? That'S nothing, just the reserved corner for the Christians, we do not know why but they prefer it their way."

[Onkel Neal]

German bishop Margot Käßmann, female, divorced, and caught and sentenced for driving drunk and blessed with neither a brain nor the desire to have gotten one,


10/10 for the description. :haha:

[Nippelspanner]

Taliban bomb slayer kills 69, intentionally targetting Christians.

German bishop Margot Käßmann [...] tells Germans on Easter Sunday that they "should meet terrorism with Christian love", for this would be a provocation.
You spelled "Korsakoff-Syndrome" wrong Skybird. :/\\!!

[Jimbuna]

The suspected third terrorist airport bomber has been released due to 'lack of evidence'.

A man known as Faycal C, the only person arrested and charged with involvement in the Brussels attacks, has been released for lack of evidence.
Belgian media have given the man's full name as Faycal Cheffou.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35911401

[Rockstar]

I would have at least publicly thanked ol' Faycal for his cooperation with the investigation when I released him.

[mapuc]

After this terror attack in Pakistan I've start wondering if these Radical Muslim are not doing everything they can to start a religious war between Muslims and Christians.

I'm afraid they may succeed with this. We have radical on our own side who keep on saying "we are at war with Islam"

Markus

[Betonov]

Well, we got an edge over them anyway

http://i.imgur.com/THqA4Kf.gif?1

And a gazillion more inventions created to help Europeans slaughter themselves on an industrial scale.

[Skybird]

After this terror attack in Pakistan I've start wondering if these Radical Muslim are not doing everything they can to start a religious war between Muslims and Christians.

I'm afraid they may succeed with this. We have radical on our own side who keep on saying "we are at war with Islam"

Markus
Is the victim of an aggressor an aggressor himself just because the viuxctim declares that his attacker staged an aggression against him? Is the victim of a rapist the same like the rapist? Is a sober observer of Muslim terrorism, counting the sober number of terror victims stockpiling up in the name of Islam, of Christianity, of Buddhist faith, a radical himself when he concludes that Islam is at war with the rest of mankind and that it does not compare in scale, in no way, to terror done in the name of Buddha, Christ?

I'm really tired of this cynical and underhanded argument that if you label your attacker an attacker, you are not better than him, or if you fight fire with fire, you are not better than the perpetrator, or if you point out the ideological basis in a terrorist's motivation you are declared an XYZ-phobe yourself or a hawk or an intolerant and discriminating racist. To me, there is a crystal clear differenc ebetween attacker and defender, perpetrator and victinm, and I do not accept the two to be treated the same.

What this habit of always relativiosing Musalim terrorism expresses, is this: self-hate by Westerners, and the desire of always accuse the West. Many people have been taught to feel a deep-rooting disgust for their own cultural, historically grown identity, or better that of the clture they have grown up in, and it leads them to self-denial, and self-destruction. The West is eternally bad, and the foreign - no matter which foreign - is good already just because it is not the West.

Islam never was a tolerant, multicultural affair, or ideology, it was designed to excuse endless attempts to overthrow the others and to make them submit. Submission is what Muhammad aimed at and wanted, not coexistence. Ruling alone over evertyhing, that is what Islam is about. No peace as long as there is something left that is not Islam's - that is the ultimate goal. Peace by wiping out everybody not submitting and obeying to Islam.

That is what the scripture is and what Muhammad was about, and nothing else. Muhammad was no sentimental pacifist, no early Ghandi - he was a warlord, a desert mandit and murderer nd bringer of war, he stole, he plundere,d he slaughtered and raped. I do not care the desperate brain gymnastics of this or that "Muslim" sect trying to paint it nicely in an attempt to not needing to admit that it is following a brutal, totalitarian blueprint designed to enslave all mankind - no matter how long it takes. Siuch sects may be anything, but they are neither honest, nor are the Muslim. Period.

Do not want to see something in Islam, something you hope for, or that you wish to see in it so that you must not accept confronting it. Just open your eyes, and see what it is.

Do not want to see this or that in there. Just see the thing for what it is.

You should feel horror then.

[Oberon]

Ah, the old question, who shot first? Han or Greedo?

[Betonov]

Ah, the old question, who shot first? Han or Greedo?

More like, why should Han be affraid of Greedo, even if Greedo has a 1:20 numerical advantage, Han has a blaster that can kill 30 000 Guidos at once

[Oberon]

More like, why should Han be affraid of Greedo, even if Greedo has a 1:20 numerical advantage, Han has a blaster that can kill 30 000 Guidos at once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSIxD8wHBM0

[mapuc]

Have read Skybirds answer, don't know how I should reply- I refuse to believe every=100 % of the Muslim in the world hate us=Christians and other religion.

His answer also made me remember a survey some month ago or so, here in Denmark

They asked a few thousand Muslim about the Danish legislation.


A Majority of the Muslim wanted some or all of Sharia included in the Danish legislation. Only a little percentage was OK with Danish legislation and didn't see it necessary to implement Sharia into Danish law.

Markus

[August]

Looks like Palmyra is close to or has been recaptured.


Drone footage of what's left

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/03/28/palmyra-drone-footage-rossiya-24-vos.rossiya-24

[Jimbuna]

There's talk of replacing everything that has been destroyed but I'm wondering where the money will come from and if anything other than the original 'items/buildings' hold as much awe?

[Oberon]

Honestly, leave it as it is, what's left will speak for what it is, and what is missing will speak of another period of history, a more modern period but one that should never be forgotten.

[Catfish]

^ Either the money will again come from "us", the west, or ..

like Oberon said: maybe it would be better to leave the site as it is, as an excample of godless, senseless destruction, done by some lunatics thinking of themselves as self-appointed representatives of Allah. :nope:

I guess the latter together with a few textboards and photos before–after would be more educational, and have more punch.


There's certainly a second thing to remember. A lot of historical artifacts have been sold to private collectors, by Daesh. Like what happened with the content of museums in Iraq, during Operation Iraqui Freedom...

[ikalugin]

http://russiaworks.ru/
In case you were looking for more videos of stuff in Syria.

[Reece]

Shame the English symbol doesn't work!:doh:

[Skybird]

Have read Skybirds answer, don't know how I should reply- I refuse to believe every=100 % of the Muslim in the world hate us=Christians and other religion.

Individual people. Ideology. Learn the difference.

The only question is to what degree people allow to get influenced and thus are motivated by the ideology. The more they follow Muhammad's ol' intentions indeed, the more dangerous and backwardly they are. The more they violate or distort it anyway, the greater the chance they indeed are humane and kind.

But the ideology itself is what it is.

Not all Germans were indeed believing Nazis. And not even all Nazis did strangle a Jew with their own hands. Still, Nazism itself is evil, racist, and murderous - no matter German manners and politeness. And Nazism was nevertheless a German issue, of German origin. Now you replace "German" with "Arab", and "Nazism" with "Islam", and you may get what I am after.

The global majority of Muslims is far more conservative and orthodox than your well-meaning heart is willing to realise.

Really. I'm tired of explaining this always again and again. Ideology, and what it does in people's heads, and what it does not when people ban it from their heads. Thats what I am always about. Since years. Rewriting the content of Islam - is no solution.

And are you really not aware that the rest of your post was kind of a contradiction to what you just said in your reference to me? ;)

[Rockstar]

http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa408/jky242/b65659093c7b62d368d1adc1e84d5b12.jpg

[U505995]

http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa408/jky242/b65659093c7b62d368d1adc1e84d5b12.jpg
Indeed...

[Betonov]

Individual people. Ideology. Learn the difference.



Ok, I'll concede defeat here, I agree with you.

(repost Rockstars picture)

Problem is that you always word it like the Ahmed that tries to feed his family by selling kebab and burek is just going to step around the counter one day and cut my head off.

[mapuc]

I'm not perfect so know you know it.

Back to topic

Saw a short film from Raqqa on Danish News-They had "hide" many of the scenes from the video.

Even though they had covered some part of the Video it shocked me.

They interviewed a Muslim who said-they(ISIS) have no soul

Markus

[u crank]

Really. I'm tired of explaining this always again and again.

Imagine how we feel. :O:

[Oberon]

Ok, I'll concede defeat here, I agree with you.

(repost Rockstars picture)

Problem is that you always word it like the Ahmed that tries to feed his family by selling kebab and burek is just going to step around the counter one day and cut my head off.

Depends on how short he is on meat I guess. :hmmm:

But yeah, I think another big part of it is how the individual views the ideology. Look at Tito, Mao and Stalin, all technically communists, all very different leaders.

Coming back briefly to Palmyra, I read a report earlier today that indicated that part of the reason that so much of it was intact was actually due to elements within the Syrian government persuading Daesh that it would be in their best interests to not level the place because doing so would likely cause a mass uprising that they could not defeat.
So, bravo, if that's the case, to the people who managed to pull that off. :yep:

[Nippelspanner]

Ok, I'll concede defeat here, I agree with you.

(repost Rockstars picture)

Problem is that you always word it like the Ahmed that tries to feed his family by selling kebab and burek is just going to step around the counter one day and cut my head off.
That sums it up quite accurately.

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, I'll concede defeat here, I agree with you.

(repost Rockstars picture)

Problem is that you always word it like the Ahmed that tries to feed his family by selling kebab and burek is just going to step around the counter one day and cut my head off.

Yeah, some ideologies have been so well established, like Islam and Christianity, we have to live with them, until some day in the future, civilization outgrows them. Unlike the Nazi ideology, Muslims have not invaded Poland and France with large armies... hmmm, unless you count the "refugee" crisis....:hmmm:

Oh boy.

[Betonov]

Yeah, some ideologies have been so well established, like Islam and Christianity, we have to live with them, until some day in the future, civilization outgrows them.

This is making me think. We pride ourselves in our civilization and secularism.
Maybe, just maybe, the more people have to loose by going bonkers, the less they are to be indoctrinated.
I'd love to burn the local parish church down, but I can't garden in prison and I'd love to blow myself up in the middle of a Slovene right wing rally, but I want to see the rest of the Marvel movies before I die. I have too much to loose.
But some por sod that had his family and home bombed and his community thrown back to the middle ages would find some imams promises of an afterlife paradise quite tempting.
Before and at 9/11, those terrorist attacks were politically motivated and we're either used for revenge or as a leverage to obtain some goal (prisoner release etc.). This ''kill as many for no particular reason but allah'' didn't really reared up until Afganistan and Iraq. When a lot of por sods had their family and home bombed and their communities thrown back to the middle ages.

Home grown extremists in wealthy civilized areas ?? I don't know, bored spoiled brats with delusions of grandure and mental pacients.

[Onkel Neal]

No, there we disagree. There were plenty of bombings and suicide attacks in the ME before and after 9/11. You want to pinpoint a time for blame, how about 1948?

[MaDef]

I'm with Neal on this. You can't blame this all on the U.S. Alot of what is going on in the mid-east can be traced back to the end of WWII and the formation of the U.N. And if memory serves correctly, Great Britain, France, Germany, and the U.S.S.R (Today Russia) all played prominent roles at various times in fomenting discord in the region. The regional leaders themselves are very adept at playing their citizens against the "Great Satan" while still continuing to accept money and technology from the same "Great Satan".

[Rockstar]

Seems to me blaming terrorism on western civilization, dates in history etc etc. In my opinion excuses the behavior and defends the actions of these murderous religious zeolots.

Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

[Betonov]

No, there we disagree. There were plenty of bombings and suicide attacks in the ME before and after 9/11. You want to pinpoint a time for blame, how about 1948?

I know there were. Even before 1948.
But those had some political goal, some statement. And no one shot up Paris because the Palestinians were mistreated by Israel.
Today we got them gunning down people just because and not to release some Ahmed bin Whatshisnameini from Mosad prison.

Seems to me blaming terrorism on western civilization, dates in history etc etc. In my opinion excuses the behavior and defends the actions of these murderous religious zeolots.

Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

Our hands are not clean when it comes to this mess.
Thinking that would be naive. But on the other hand, blaming ourselves completely and thinking we deserve this would be moronic.

Defeatism and denial are not a combination to fight this threat.

[Betonov]

Meanwhile in some less obvious spawn pools of terrorism, Erdogan the Moronic demands Germany forsakes freedom of speech and take down a mocking video of him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc).
The producers of the video responded by ading Turk and English subtitles.

[Oberon]

Oooh, have to watch that video, Erdogan is a jerk and poor Ataturk is spinning in his grave so fast that he could be used to power the whole country. :nope:

EDIT: Ha, brilliant vid. Going to retweet that, get some more views on it :D

[Betonov]

EDIT: Ha, brilliant vid. Going to retweet that, get some more views on it :D

Do it, once it spreads over the interwebz it will stay there even if frau Merkel bends over

[Oberon]

Do it, once it spreads over the interwebz it will stay there even if frau Merkel bends over

That's the idea, about 3 million views there, I don't think even Sultan Erdogan can remove it, sadly he can just ban it from being viewed in Turkey....buuuut, there's such a thing as proxies. :03:

[Skybird]

Unlike the Nazi ideology, Muslims have not invaded Poland and France with large armies.

Back to history classes, Neal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna

Maybe not Poland, but there must be reasons why you nevertheless see so many artifacts of Islamic influence in Spain, France, Southern Italy and Sicily, Greece, the Adriatic area, the Ukrainian area, Austria...

[Schroeder]

The producers of the video responded by ading Turk and English subtitles.
Looks like the Turkish subtitles are gone again...who would have thought....:hmm2:

They definitely need to be part of the EU!:yeah:

[danasan]

Looks like the Turkish subtitles are gone again...who would have thought....:hmm2:

They definitely need to be part of the EU!:yeah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=349VWBGICUQ

"Let me buy an "Ü"....

Bing, Bing, Bing....

Sorry for that insider - joke.

[Betonov]

Maybe not Poland, but there must be reasons why you nevertheless see so many artifacts of Islamic influence in Spain, France, Southern Italy and Sicily, Greece, the Adriatic area, the Ukrainian area, Austria...

But those were textbook conquests done before by Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Ugabuga tribe invading the Ugauga tribe...
Enlargement of the tax base than spread of ideology. Religion was means to inspire troops, not the reason.

[vienna]

No, there we disagree. There were plenty of bombings and suicide attacks in the ME before and after 9/11. You want to pinpoint a time for blame, how about 1948?

Actually, if you really want to find the seeds of this modern mess, you can go back to the time of T.E. Lawrence and the Arab Uprising in WWI. Much like the situation with Native-Americans in the US, Britain made a lot of promises to the Arab tribes and leaders, virtually all of which were summarily broken; and, in a foreshadowing of the US training the the Taliban to fight the USSR only to have them turn around and use the training against the US, the British gave the then Arab tribes the means to further down the line use their training against the West. Politically, the wheeling and dealing behind the scenes by the UK and France, primarily, set up the bitter tribal, geographical, and sectarian religious conflicts in the ME plaguing the world today. The roots are very old and very bitter...


<O>

[Oberon]

Actually, if you really want to find the seeds of this modern mess, you can go back to the time of T.E. Lawrence and the Arab Uprising in WWI. Much like the situation with Native-Americans in the US, Britain made a lot of promises to the Arab tribes and leaders, virtually all of which were summarily broken; and, in a foreshadowing of the US training the the Taliban to fight the USSR only to have them turn around and use the training against the US, the British gave the then Arab tribes the means to further down the line use their training against the West. Politically, the wheeling and dealing behind the scenes by the UK and France, primarily, set up the bitter tribal, geographical, and sectarian religious conflicts in the ME plaguing the world today. The roots are very old and very bitter...


<O>

Indeed, that's certainly been one of the biggest causes in modern history, but you can probably go back a bit further to the crusades and that, these wars have flared up from time to time over history, but yes, that's given a cassus belli for the hatred against the west, which has just been added to over the years since.

[Rockstar]

Our hands are not clean when it comes to this mess.
Thinking that would be naive. But on the other hand, blaming ourselves completely and thinking we deserve this would be moronic.

Defeatism and denial are not a combination to fight this threat.

What do you mean by "our hands are not clean"? Why do they commit acts of terrorism, blow up neighborhoods, airports, each other and civilians?

Really if its something we have done, if its because our hands are not clean, what can we do, apart from submitting, that would dissuade the members of the religion of peace from continuing on their course of action of blowing stuff up and killing people?

If it was a secular political organization, nation or state we could take politcal action. But these are religious zealots whose alliegence is to their imans and religious texts

[Onkel Neal]

Back to history classes, Neal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna

Maybe not Poland, but there must be reasons why you nevertheless see so many artifacts of Islamic influence in Spain, France, Southern Italy and Sicily, Greece, the Adriatic area, the Ukrainian area, Austria...

Sorry, man, my joke went right over your head. Keep your history lessons.

[Skybird]

But those were textbook conquests done before by Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Ugabuga tribe invading the Ugauga tribe...
Enlargement of the tax base than spread of ideology. Religion was means to inspire troops, not the reason.
So what? The claim was that there never was an Islamic aggression into Europe. Historic truth is that the Islamic aggression into Europe was a repeated and enduring one, and lasted centuries and Europe was lucky on at least two if not three occaisons that luck - pure luck! - turned the chances in its favour: it is anything but natural that today we are not already fully Islamic since centuries - and this mission of Islam for all the world is being claimed to continue by other means today, many Islamic leaders since years and decades time and again have reassured the world. From state presidents to university presidents to clerics, from people the West shakes hands with and people it claims to be "radicals", from "moderate intellectuals" to religious dumbheads.

Islam was born by violence and aggression, and always has spread by intimidation, aggression, conquest, bribery. In its wake you find so many almost or in fact shattered, killed, burned down cultures. Islam is the biggest and longest lasting military/violent conquest of known human history. Bigger than the Romans. Bigger than Alexander. Bigger than the Mongoles. M;uhammad already has raided other caravans and killed men before he ever made the news as a kahin for the first time. He was a bandit and gangster, leading around caravans by his uncle and plundering caravans he met underway, that simple. What kind of message do you expect from somebody with this biography...? A gospel of justice, fairness and human kindness...???

[Skybird]

Sorry, man, my joke went right over your head. Keep your history lessons.
Still not even a microscopic blip on my joke radar. :ping: You may have meant it as a joke - but I fail to see what and why.

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/PE2M1.png

[Rockstar]

Sorry, man, my joke went right over your head. Keep your history lessons.

He's German so he not going to see the humor. :D

[Mr Quatro]

Russia just can't stop lying now can it ...

Taken at face value, most of Russia’s troops and aircraft were supposed to be out of Syria by now, but that’s not the case, as Russia has kept more than two dozen of its military aircraft in Syria and continues to send military equipment to that country, U.S. officials said today.

The moves raise questions about what Russia may be planning for a longer-term presence in Syria.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-maintaining-military-aircraft-equipment-syria-us-officials/story?id=38039228

[mapuc]

Russia just can't stop lying now can it ...



http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-maintaining-military-aircraft-equipment-syria-us-officials/story?id=38039228

Could it have something to do with the chance Turkey may send "military aid" into Syria to protect they own people.

Markus

[Betonov]

So what? The claim was that there never was an Islamic aggression into Europe.

Exactly, so what.
Yes, there was an islamic aggression into Europe. Where I live now was the war frontier where the Austrians held the line. My ancestors were regulary kidnapped as children to serve as janisaries.
Before the Islamic aggression into Europe there was a tengriist aggression that also failed and beofre that a christian aggression that succeded.
There's always some aggression where religion is used to inspire the troops to die happily for their lord and master who cares only about expanding the tax base.

Islam does not have a monopoly on violence.

Europe was lucky on at least two if not three occaisons that luck - pure luck! - turned the chances in its favourNo, it was European powers acting on a threat, forgeting they love to slaughter eachother and presented a unified front against the Turks.
Luck would be a meteor strike on the Turkis camp during the siege of Vienna. The Polish Hussars were not luck, they were an effective response.

[ikalugin]

Russia just can't stop lying now can it ...



http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-maintaining-military-aircraft-equipment-syria-us-officials/story?id=38039228
It is like US leaving Iraq - the US claims that it did, but in fact still stations troops there.

The difference is that there was an internal US promise to leave, while we have more flexibility due to the lack of binding comitments.

[Skybird]

Exactly, so what.
Yes, there was an islamic aggression into Europe. Where I live now was the war frontier where the Austrians held the line. My ancestors were regulary kidnapped as children to serve as janisaries.
Before the Islamic aggression into Europe there was a tengriist aggression that also failed and beofre that a christian aggression that succeded.
There's always some aggression where religion is used to inspire the troops to die happily for their lord and master who cares only about expanding the tax base.

Islam does not have a monopoly on violence.

No, it was European powers acting on a threat, forgeting they love to slaughter eachother and presented a unified front against the Turks.
Luck would be a meteor strike on the Turkis camp during the siege of Vienna. The Polish Hussars were not luck, they were an effective response.At Vienna, they were lucky. Read some historical anaylsis on events in that siege/battle that were not the result of superior tctic or power, but lkucky coincidences of random events and weather. At Tours, an infeiror army beat the Muslims only becasue Muslim commanders were more concerned about securing their loot and plundered wealth than rallying under a united command and contirbuting with all they had to their cause - their egoism was what allowed Karl to beat them one by one in stead of needing to face them all at once: he was lucky.

Islam may have no monopole on violence historically, but it is Islam acting until today as if it has that monopoly. You again want to relativse things by comparing to no longer relevant times. Show me where Christian fanatics blow themselves up in Muslim countries or hunt Muslims to death and name their faith as their motivation. The church, Christianty has stopped to hunt witches and stoning wifes for having the bad luck of getting raped and being held responsible for that. By the letter of the laws, we protect equality of men and women before the courts. Its been a while since the last survey showed that 70% of Protestants or Catholics do not want to live door to door with a Jew, and do not want to have anything to do with Jews.

In the Islamic world, these all are realities alive until the very day today.

The eye-for-en-eye passages of the Bible have been somewhat abandoned by both churches, since long. Christianty today mostly focusses on the glad tidings, a somewhat reformed version of the earlier Judaism there was collected in the old testament. The Koran still is in the format it was in since the decades after Muhammad'S death. It knows no reformed chapters. It never abandoned its violent calls for dominance and supremacy. The global majority of Muslims support these "orthodox" views of the world.

But go on, compare apples with oranges, and relatives them to neglect the difference and make that your argument that if one doe snot like the taste or apples, one also cannot like the taste of oranges. Such endless relativising is a very popular and wide-spread hobby these days. But one thing you should not hgave illusions about: people like you who always find excuses for not confronting Islam over what it is, give it the reasons it needs to refuse change, integration, modernization, whatever. Since you always let it get away and let it have its ways because you think there is relevance for the present in that our own long ago past once has been as bloody as Islamic present is until today.

But the present belongs to the achievements of modern Wetsenr civilization. Not Islamic backwardedness. Even a silly war like Bush's war of 2003 could not do much damage to this fact. Islam is radical and fundamentalist not because it is not integrated, or is demonised, or is discrimiunated agai8nst. Islam is radical and fundamentalist because that is what it is all by itself in its core and essence, and it always was like that.

Why should it ever change with so many wellmeaning guys like you in the world giving it for free what it wants!

[Betonov]

At the first siege of Vienna the defenders managed to counter every move the Turks made and relied on the fact that the Turk supply lines were overextended.
Vienna held not because of luck but because on good actions on one side and bad on the other.

And if not looking trough paranoia, fear and complete missunderstanding of the shifting political situation and the reactionary forces brewing inside Europe makes me a wellmeaning guy, then allahu ackbar my friend.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will drive to my favourite pub to plan a trip to the coast in the next two weeks, not hindered by fear of some bearded maniac killing me. My momma raised no coward.

[Oberon]

not hindered by fear of some bearded maniac killing me. My momma raised no coward.

But...but...Muslim immigrants with knives around every corner!


Every corner!!

[Schroeder]

But...but...Muslim immigrants with knives around every corner!


Every corner!!



Come on guys, you know he never said that. As I read it he is constantly warning about Islam as a hostile ideology that is trying to gain influence in Europe and the world and I would agree with that. It doesn't mean every Muslim wants to kill you just as much as not everyone from Nazi Germany wanted to kill Jews and get "Lebensraum" in the East. The ideology of Nazism however did. Big difference.

[Oberon]

Come on guys, you know he never said that. As I read it he is constantly warning about Islam as a hostile ideology that is trying to gain influence in Europe and the world and I would agree with that. It doesn't mean every Muslim wants to kill you just as much as not everyone from Nazi Germany wanted to kill Jews and get "Lebensraum" in the East. The ideology of Nazism however did. Big difference.

Every corner!

[Schroeder]

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will drive to my favourite pub to plan a trip to the coast in the next two weeks, not hindered by fear of some bearded maniac killing me. My momma raised no coward.
Roses are red some Mosques are blue in Soviet Slovenia Betonov terrorizes you!:o

Oh well he has a Kukri and a big garden. Maybe there are cucumbers in his garden and the German word for cucumber is Gurke. Gurke sounds almost like Gurkha and with the Kukri those Muslims better watch out! :o

Remind me not to get on his bad side.:88)

[Oberon]

Traditionally only bad things have come out of Germans or Austrians being in the Balkans. So probably a wise move to steer clear. :yep:

[Nippelspanner]

But...but...Muslim immigrants with knives around every corner!


Every corner!!



No, that's BS for now and you know it.
However, these events are happening more frequently, as we can read in newspapers around Europe every day. Or look at Israel for example.
They stopped using guns and explosives, as they mostly get detected. They now attack people in the streets on a daily basis with knives. Look it up.

Oberon, I don't see why you constantly completely exaggerate some peoples remarks in this ridiculous manner. What is the purpose of that?
When you claimed "well they're not beheading people daily in London, do they?" I showed you that they are indeed doing that and that these events also grow in frequency. You simply wiped anything I said away with "well but it doesn't happen daily!" (wtf!?), ran out of arguments in the overall debate of immigrants, muslims and terror and refused to continue any debate, which is fine - but I find it rather unwise to constantly mock those who worry about events we hear about daily by now, while refusing any facts provided or refuse to answer questions regarding evidence/facts that contradict your point of view.

Is mocking people who fear situations that constantly get worse and happen more and more helping anyone, or is it constructive in any case?
Honestly, it makes you like like an ignorant idiot who simply denies the other sides point and arguments for the sake of denying - and after all these years of reading your mostly brilliant posts, full of reason and humor, that totally does NOT suit you well at all. :down:

It is easy to mock those who are afraid.
Question is, how justified is it when what these people talk about, does indeed happen? We aren't talking phobia anymore, this train left the station years ago. The fear many people in Europe share is very real and based on reality, not "fear of the unknown". By now, we know very much what we are afraid of and after Charlie Hebdo, the recent Paris attacks, Brussels and some more 'minor' incidents like arrests of dozens of suspects, or the results of raids and evidence they found over the monthts, I wonder how anyone who didn't fall on his head can still deny that mayyybbeeee Islam might not be as dandy as they want us to believe.

Maybe, after years of denial and "let's talk about this!", we should stop wasting our time with caring about offending an ideology that wants to destroy our way of life and culture. Maybe.

[Oberon]

I think you miss the point of my mocking, I mock because I really don't care any more. :03:

[Nippelspanner]

I think you miss the point of my mocking, I mock because I really don't care any more. :03:
I don't see how that makes a difference, but alright.

[Oberon]

I don't see how that makes a difference, but alright.

Cool, I've decided to let someone else worry about the creeping Islamification of Europe and whether or not it exists. I'm also getting to the point where the backlash of this perceived creeping Islamification, and the rise of the far right in Eastern Europe and its return to Western Europe can be out-sourced to someone else too.
Life is too short, there's enough problems closer to home to think about really.

The mocking was perhaps misguided, looking back on it I can see that now, but to be honest, it's Skybird, he's been talking about the imminent collapse of western civilization for over a decade now.

[Nippelspanner]

...but to be honest, it's Skybird, he's been talking about the imminent collapse of western civilization for over a decade now.
Oh you just wait! :stare:
Some day he might be right and then he can finally bring the line: I told you so!

:D

[Oberon]

Oh you just wait! :stare:
Some day he might be right and then he can finally bring the line: I told you so!

:D


:haha: :up:

[Aktungbby]

My ancestors were regulary kidnapped as children to serve as janissaries. C'mon now that was a good gig; often leading to a career-except for the mandatory circumcision!!:D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries)

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will drive to my favourite pub to plan a trip to the coast in the next two weeks, not hindered by fear of some bearded maniac killing me. My momma raised no coward. Owning a kukri makes a man brave. Kindly re-circumsize any said maniac and then send him to his 72 virgins post-haste with the traditional famed swipe of the kukri:O: Just picture the scene as a soldier returns from hunting an arch-enemy. Commanding officer: 'Did you get him?' Soldier: 'Yes, sir.' Commanding officer: 'Are you sure?' Soldier: 'Yes, sir.' Soldier reaches into rucksack and places severed head on table.
Commanding officer: ' ****!' If it happened in a Hollywood movie, the audience would either laugh or applaud. But there was no laughter the other day when this happened for real in Babaji, Afghanistan, current posting for the 1st Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles.
The precise circumstances will not be determined until an official report has been completed, but reliable military sources have confirmed that a Gurkha patrol was sent out with orders to track down a Taliban warlord described as a 'high-value target'. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/20/article-0-0A7FC373000005DC-47_468x393.jpghttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1296136/As-Gurkha-disciplined-beheading-Taliban-Thank-God-side.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1296136/As-Gurkha-disciplined-beheading-Taliban-Thank-God-side.html)

[Oberon]

As the old British saying goes, 'Thank God they're on our side.'

AARSEpedia (https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/ARRSEPedia_Intro) has some useful advice about them:

Unlike the British squaddie after nine pints of Stella, Johnny Gurkha remains approachable and likeable and shows no sign of the usual wear & tear associated with going on the lash - a skill no doubt learnt from wizened old monks high above the snowline of the Himalayas. Do not engage in the following:


A fight - you will lose. You may possibly end up in the cooked meat section in Sainsbury's at 45p/lb.



A drinking competition - see above without the Sainsbury's

[Betonov]

Oh you just wait! :stare:
Some day he might be right and then he can finally bring the line: I told you so!

:D


He wishes.
Even if he's right I'm going down fighting after giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Christ people, I go for a cup of coffee and you gang up on Oberon and derail it all with Ghurkas (another reason why islam can't win)

Roses are red some Mosques are blue in Soviet Slovenia Betonov terrorizes you!Love it :haha:

[Oberon]

Oh aye, if he does turn out to be right, well, I have a couple of sharp objects, one made in Sheffield and one in Solingen, and as the saying goes:

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/63766283.jpg

[Betonov]

Oh aye, if he does turn out to be right, well, I have a couple of sharp objects, one made in Sheffield and one in Solingen, and as the saying goes:



Pictures please.

Here's my collection of sharp objects :)
http://i.imgur.com/OEjaRdf.jpg?1

[Oberon]

Pictures please.


Another time, I think I've posted them before but that was back on imageshack which has since gone rogue. Can't find them now. :hmmm:

[Onkel Neal]

I think you miss the point of my mocking, I mock because I really don't care any more. :03:

Isn't that trolling?

Oh you just wait! :stare:
Some day he might be right and then he can finally bring the line: I told you so!

:D


No, I have a script prepared, if the end comes, it will lock his account and he won't be able to post about it. :smug:

[Oberon]

Isn't that trolling?

:hmmm:

Fair point.

[ikalugin]

But...but...Muslim immigrants with knives around every corner!
Red under the bed?

In a way I would suggest Europeans to look into Russian experience with our muslim comunity.

[mapuc]

This report was given to the leaders at the Nuclear Security Summit 2016 in Washington.


http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/PreventingNuclearTerrorism-Web.pdf

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

:hmmm:

Fair point.

Everyone does it at some point, at least you're man enough to own up to it. :03:

[eddie]

How the hell do they kidnap 300 workers from a Cement Factory east of Damascus? Anyone in the Syrian Army awake over there?:huh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/syria-civil-war-isil-kidnaps-300-factory-workers/ar-BBrtFUF?li=BBnb7Kz

[Gerald]

BRUSSELS Mohamed Abrini, wanted over November's Islamic State attacks in Paris, has been arrested in Brussels, Belgium's public broadcasters said on Friday, adding that he was probably involved in last month's Brussels bombings.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-shooting-abrini-arrest-idUSKCN0X51QK

Interesting results of the Belgian police.

Note: 12:52pm EDT

[eddie]

Glad they got that jerk!! Good work by the police!:yeah:

[Commander Wallace]

Glad they got that jerk!! Good work by the police!:yeah:


:agree:


It won't bring back those lost though. Hopefully, it will give the families some closure.

[Jimbuna]

Glad they got that jerk!! Good work by the police!:yeah:

They needed that, to maintain a semblence of credibility after being compared unfavourably to the French police over recent times in relation to the attacks.

[Jimbuna]

I'm surprised this hasn't been raised here. It is all over the UK press...

ISIS 'has been secretly working WITH Assad's regime in Syria' leaked files claim.

ISIS has been working WITH the Syrian regime it is supposed to be fighting, according to leaked Islamic State documents.

The two sides have struck deals in a number of areas as the Middle Eastern war has continued, Sky News reports.

That's according to tens of thousands of secret files and documents leaked by defectors from ISIS.

They claim that, in just one example, the ancient city of Palmyra was handed back to government forces in March as part of a series of cooperation agreements going back years.

Other alleged collusion include a deal between IS and Syria to trade oil for fertiliser and arrangements to evacuate some areas before the Syrian army attacked.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-has-been-secretly-working-7881957

http://news.sky.com/story/1688756/is-files-reveal-assads-deals-with-militants

[Nippelspanner]

I'm surprised this hasn't been raised here.
I guess people are just really tired. One could post all kinds of stuff about this every day, just like other hot topics like the gun control thread etc. but what for...

OT:
Jim, respectfully, could you please edit your signature?
While the visible space it takes is fine, I SO often click beside it to navigate the forum and... land on the GW page. I guess this was unintentional, but something like this is considered click-bait/click-trap usually.

[Jimbuna]

I guess people are just really tired. One could post all kinds of stuff about this every day, just like other hot topics like the gun control thread etc. but what for...

OT:
Jim, respectfully, could you please edit your signature?
While the visible space it takes is fine, I SO often click beside it to navigate the forum and... land on the GW page. I guess this was unintentional, but something like this is considered click-bait/click-trap usually.

Am I to take this last comment seriously? :o

[Nippelspanner]

Am I to take this last comment seriously? :o
I don't see why you would not?

[Onkel Neal]

It's not meant to be click bait, just the hyperlink spreads past the image on both sides. I don't think there is any way to fix that.

[Nippelspanner]

It's not meant to be click bait, just the hyperlink spreads past the image on both sides. I don't think there is any way to fix that.
That's fine then, more of a luxury issue anyways - just really annoying in my opinion. It just happened again actually. :)

[Rockstar]

"ISIS has been working WITH the Syrian regime it is supposed to be fighting, according to leaked Islamic State documents."

:hmmm: The war on terrorism must be over as appears to be two governing bodies working together for freedom and democracy. This belongs in the all purpose politics thread. :yeah:


Let the war on bad hyperlinks begin!

[Catfish]

I'll begin with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzdpP0lO38w

[Dowly]

It's not meant to be click bait, just the hyperlink spreads past the image on both sides. I don't think there is any way to fix that.

There is, by using [url] and tags.

For example, the Winter War portion of my sig is:
http://i.imgur.com/WSChtTc.jpg

When centered, the link still only affects the image, instead of the whole width of the signature:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8iUbmc9.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=216995)

[Oberon]

I'll begin with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzdpP0lO38w

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/113/153/3f5.png

[Dowly]

The legends tell of a great warrior, who is still rolling somewhere in the deserts of Syria. If you listen closely at night, you can hear his comrades calling his name; ABU HAJAAAAAR!!

[Onkel Neal]

There is, by using [url] and tags.

For example, the Winter War portion of my sig is:
http://i.imgur.com/WSChtTc.jpg

When centered, the link still only affects the image, instead of the whole width of the signature:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8iUbmc9.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=216995)


Well, yes, I know that. :haha: That's how his sig is set up. However, I think it may have something to do with the image placement. Where the example you showed has a URL for the image, Jim's just says "sigpic".

If Jim will give me permission, I will jigger with it and see if it can be fixed.

[Jimbuna]

http://i.imgur.com/CDTFRFr.gif

[Oberon]

The legends tell of a great warrior, who is still rolling somewhere in the deserts of Syria. If you listen closely at night, you can hear his comrades calling his name; ABU HAJAAAAAR!!

:har: :yeah: