Elder Scrolls V in the works - direct sequel to Oblivion

[Kapitän Schneider]

I know the rules, didn't not make my English clear enough, paying can be read as buying.

[Egan]

Actually, mithril was in Oblivion as the second strongest suit of normal light armor (only glass was stronger).

http://images.uesp.net/6/69/OB-item-female-Mithril_Armor.jpg

As far as I know, no explaination was formally given for their absence. They may be due to legal disputes with the Tolkien estate and Marvel Comics respectively, but that is a wild guess.

I think that's it. Even D&D don't use the word Mithril. Mind you, they call it MithrAl. A small change, but it seems to matter.

Out of interest, what's the Marvel reference? Do they do a LoTR comic book or something?

[Takeda Shingen]

Out of interest, what's the Marvel reference? Do they do a LoTR comic book or something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantium

[Egan]

Ah, Gotcha. Never read any Marvel comics. Interesting link. Cheers!

[Takeda Shingen]

Not a comic book guy myself, but even I have heard of adamantium. Ah, well.

[Dowly]

Hmm... one more question!

Summerset Isles are called Summurset Isles in Arena, both on map and in dialogue.
Was that just a typo or do both names (summerset/summurset) apply?

[Takeda Shingen]

Summurset, while the original spelling from Arena, has given way to the use of Summerset in later games. Both are considered correct, and will appear occasionally in books in-game, but Summerset is considered the 'official' spelling. I believe the spelling is also a regional and ethnic distinction, much like how the Aldmeri Dominion refer to the Isle as Alinor.

My god I'm nerdy.

EDIT: Keep in mind that Arena began as a game where you were supposed to manage a team of gladiators in a fantasy universe, hence the name. Your team would travel from city to city and fight rival teams. While in those cities, there would be various side-quests, which over time grew in number and complexity. They included a major arc quest where you would gather parts of a magic staff for the emperor, which then evolved into the main quest of Arena. These quests became such major events within the game that the original gladiator concept was dropped in favor of the game becoming a more traditional RPG. By the time that happened, however, the game was so late in development that the name was already trademarked and the box art had already been finalized. So, they made up that flimsy line about the world being so violent that it was refered to as "the Arena", a moniker that we have never seen in any game since. Accordingly, you're seeing a very 'rough around the edges' world in terms of lore, races and names, as a lot of this stuff was made up on the fly over the next few games. The mature Elder Scrolls universe as we know it didn't really come into being until Morrowind.

[Dowly]

The modders of the TES community never cease to amaze me!

Interesting NPCs (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/8429) - Over 100 new NPCs, 90 of them fully voiced.

Check the trailer to hear the quality of the voice acting it has. :o

[mookiemookie]

Dragonborn is FINALLY coming to PC on Feb. 5th

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-dragonborn/1227192p1.html

This whole "let's give MS the exclusive for two months before everyone else" is crap. :nope:

[Takeda Shingen]

Dragonborn is FINALLY coming to PC on Feb. 5th

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-dragonborn/1227192p1.html

This whole "let's give MS the exclusive for two months before everyone else" is crap. :nope:

The exclusivity thing is total crap.

[Spike88]

Dragonborn is FINALLY coming to PC on Feb. 5th

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-dragonborn/1227192p1.html

This whole "let's give MS the exclusive for two months before everyone else" is crap. :nope:

PS3 versions of all 3 DLC will see release sometime in February also. They will also be 50% off for the first week. While I would like to get them at 50% off, I'm not sure if I want to buy them without letting others test them out properly after the other cockups Bethesda has made with the PS3 version of Skyrim and Oblivion.

[Skybird]

Then buy it on the last or second-last day of low-price week. ;)

[darius359au]

Dragonborn's up on steam for pre-order at $24.99 - unlocks in 1week, 3 days and 15 hours "approximately" :D

[BossMark]

Dragonborn's up on steam for pre-order at $24.99 - unlocks in 1week, 3 days and 15 hours "approximately" :D
Looking forward to this 14 quid well spent I hopes, think I will start a new character as well.

[darius359au]

Green man gaming have got Dragonborn for $19 + you can use the 20% off code with it so I only payed $16 for it:D:up:
http://www.greenmangaming.com/

[frau kaleun]

The modders of the TES community never cease to amaze me!

Interesting NPCs (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/8429) - Over 100 new NPCs, 90 of them fully voiced.

Check the trailer to hear the quality of the voice acting it has. :o

Been using it for a couple months now - it's well done, most of the added NPCs I've encountered have been well written altho I find some of the voices really irritating to listen to, altho nothing that's any worse than what's already in the game. :O: And some of it is much better than the vanilla VA.

My only complaint is that most of the additional characters don't really seem to add anything to the gameplay, I mean, I've encountered only one who was available as a follower and none who had new quests attached. I'm using the "UFO Voiced" version only, true, but I really thought it would still add more than just additional people who talk and talk and talk and do nothing else. It's nice for flavor I guess and some of the new NPCs add to the populations of cities and settlements, but some turn up in very odd places that just feel "off" to me.

The first few I met I talked to for quite a while just to see what the writing was like (and it IS quite good for the most part) but after a while... meh. A lot of time spent having conversations with NPCs that really didn't go anywhere because absolutely nothing is added to gameplay as far as I can tell. If I want to spend ten minutes hearing a long involved story that ultimately goes nowhere and changes nothing in terms of what my character is going to do or not do, I'll just... go read a book or something. :O:

Dragonborn is FINALLY coming to PC on Feb. 5th

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-dragonborn/1227192p1.html

This whole "let's give MS the exclusive for two months before everyone else" is crap. :nope:

LOL just when I finally broke down and got the first two DLCs. I'm still updating and redoing all my mods to account for the new additions, now DB will come out and I'll either have to put off getting it or start over. OTOH by the time I finish remodding player homes with HF installed, all the other mods will probably have caught up with DB.

[Red October1984]

Been using it for a couple months now - it's well done, most of the added NPCs I've encountered have been well written altho I find some of the voices really irritating to listen to, altho nothing that's any worse than what's already in the game. :O: And some of it is much better than the vanilla VA.

My only complaint is that most of the additional characters don't really seem to add anything to the gameplay, I mean, I've encountered only one who was available as a follower and none who had new quests attached. I'm using the "UFO Voiced" version only, true, but I really thought it would still add more than just additional people who talk and talk and talk and do nothing else. It's nice for flavor I guess and some of the new NPCs add to the populations of cities and settlements, but some turn up in very odd places that just feel "off" to me.

The first few I met I talked to for quite a while just to see what the writing was like (and it IS quite good for the most part) but after a while... meh. A lot of time spent having conversations with NPCs that really didn't go anywhere because absolutely nothing is added to gameplay as far as I can tell. If I want to spend ten minutes hearing a long involved story that ultimately goes nowhere and changes nothing in terms of what my character is going to do or not do, I'll just... go read a book or something. :O:



LOL just when I finally broke down and got the first two DLCs. I'm still updating and redoing all my mods to account for the new additions, now DB will come out and I'll either have to put off getting it or start over. OTOH by the time I finish remodding player homes with HF installed, all the other mods will probably have caught up with DB.


Frau Kaleun! You've returned! :har:


I still play Skryim on xbox...haven't bought DLC's yet. I need to. I love this game. The Elder Scrolls games never get old.


Except for Arena and Daggerfall. Those are too hard. :nope:

[frau kaleun]

Frau Kaleun! You've returned! :har:


I still play Skryim on xbox...

Gah I can't imagine not being able to mod the game.

OTOH if it weren't for modding the game, I might actually have time to play the game. :O:

Just about got everything done for the next playthrough, adding a couple new mods plus I had to update a bunch more for DG and HF - but I will still have to redo the player houses taking into account all the changes put in by HF and that's probably gonna be a chore. I haven't even looked at the new stuff in the CK yet.

[She-Wolf]

I bought Skyrim just recently, and I am glad I did because it was an itch I needed to scratch - but now I have it, I can't seem to get into it with the same enthusiasm I enjoyed with Oblivion. It seems as if something is missing - but I don't know what... guess I will have to keep giving it a go until it grows on me...

[Red October1984]

Gah I can't imagine not being able to mod the game.

OTOH if it weren't for modding the game, I might actually have time to play the game. :O:

Just about got everything done for the next playthrough, adding a couple new mods plus I had to update a bunch more for DG and HF - but I will still have to redo the player houses taking into account all the changes put in by HF and that's probably gonna be a chore. I haven't even looked at the new stuff in the CK yet.

My rig couldn't run Skyrim anyway. I like it up on a big screen. I might get Oblivion or Morrowind to mod. I have every Elder Scrolls game. I'll have to get PC copies.

[Red October1984]

I just hauled ass across the entire province of Skyrim... :dead:

Stupid thieve's guild quests....Making the guards attack me on sight...

[frau kaleun]

I just hauled ass across the entire province of Skyrim... :dead:

Stupid thieve's guild quests....Making the guards attack me on sight...

Oh man, I did the TG once. ONCE. I may never do it again. Altho having a mod that keeps Brynjolf from chasing me around Riften trying to recruit me as soon as I set foot in town is making me hate the whole idea a lot less. But I don't know if I would bother doing all the radiant quests and stuff to become Guildmaster, that was a real chore. I will say, though, when I did do it at least I felt like I earned it, can't really say that for most of the factions the way they work in vanilla.

[Takeda Shingen]

Dragonborn downloaded and installed. I'm off to Solstheim.

[frau kaleun]

Dragonborn downloaded and installed. I'm off to Solstheim.

Without an unofficial patch? You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din. :O:

[Red October1984]

Oh man, I did the TG once. ONCE. I may never do it again. Altho having a mod that keeps Brynjolf from chasing me around Riften trying to recruit me as soon as I set foot in town is making me hate the whole idea a lot less. But I don't know if I would bother doing all the radiant quests and stuff to become Guildmaster, that was a real chore. I will say, though, when I did do it at least I felt like I earned it, can't really say that for most of the factions the way they work in vanilla.

I'm doing it because it's one of the last main things to do....

Again...I can't mod the game or I'd have cybercops after me and my xbox.

I need to get a PC Copy of Morrowind. I really liked that game...again...on xbox. :cool:

[Takeda Shingen]

Without an unofficial patch? You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din. :O:

Well, my philosophy is that you can either wait for or make the perfect playing experience for yourself, or take the imperfections and actually get a playing experience. I've never played a perfect game, mods or not, so I'll go with actually playing.

[frau kaleun]

Well, my philosophy is that you can either wait for or make the perfect playing experience for yourself, or take the imperfections and actually get a playing experience. I've never played a perfect game, mods or not, so I'll go with actually playing.

TBH if I weren't already in the middle of a major modding overhaul, I'd probably be getting it now.

As it is I'll probably still be modding in a couple weeks and by then I can start checking to see if I *need* any serious mod updates to make everything work okay with DB. And there may even be an unofficial patch out by then, lol.

If it doesn't involve starting from scratch again on the mod setup, I may end up getting it before I actually start playing again anyway.

[Red October1984]

TBH if I weren't already in the middle of a major modding overhaul, I'd probably be getting it now.

As it is I'll probably still be modding in a couple weeks and by then I can start checking to see if I *need* any serious mod updates to make everything work okay with DB. And there may even be an unofficial patch out by then, lol.

If it doesn't involve starting from scratch again on the mod setup, I may end up getting it before I actually start playing again anyway.

That's what happened with some of my PC games...SH3 included....I just had to get mods to keep getting better...

Until I had random CTD's and eventually a blue screen.... That's when I told myself..."You've got to stop this modding stuff..."

[Skybird]

Currently 40 mods in use, stable. Not sure I want to get DB, TBH I found the notorious dragon-hack'n-slaying of the original quest quite boring and was happy when it was over - and now I should start with dragions again...? Since the only go at the original quest that I had, I have always played without triggering any dragon stuff. Don't miss dragons. Not one bit.

However, since christmas or so I feel the first signs of getting tired of playing Skyrim. Great game, but after 13 months constantly playing it I feel it is time to take a longer break, maybe. :timeout: My current character also is level 49, and in my current life almost all locations have been explored once again. So that indeed smells like an opportunity to have a holiday.

I play The Hunter quite a lot currently.

[Takeda Shingen]

Currently 40 mods in use, stable. Not sure I want to get DB, TBH I found the notorious dragon-hack'n-slaying of the original quest quite boring and was happy when it was over - and now I should start with dragions again...? Since the only go at the original quest that I had, I have always played without triggering any dragon stuff. Don't miss dragons. Not one bit.

However, since christmas or so I feel the first signs of getting tired of playing Skyrim. Great game, but after 13 months constantly playing it I feel it is time to take a longer break, maybe. :timeout: My current character also is level 49, and in my current life almost all locations have been explored once again. So that indeed smells like an opportunity to have a holiday.

I play The Hunter quite a lot currently.

Just finished the main Dragonborn questline. I think I encountered something like 5 dragons, but only fought two (won't give further spoilers). Really, the centerpieces of the DLC are Apocrypha and Soltheim itself. I encountered one bug while fighting Miraak, but the rest of my time on the island has been pretty swell. Miraak himself was something of a disappointment for me. After reading about how difficult XBox players found him, I went in with my level 76 Nord Vampire Sorcerer, who proceeded to chew Miraak up and spit him out. I plan on trying again with a less powerful character type (my Breton thief, for example) and see how it goes.

If I were to compare it to Shivering Isles, I would say that it has a slightly shorter main quest, but near two or three times the number of side quests. Soltheim is jam-packed with things to do; some of them very multi-sided and very interesting. Actually, I was thinking of you, Skybird, while I was playing. Given the volume of side quests and their nature, I really think that this one is something you especially would like.

[Red October1984]

Just finished the main Dragonborn questline. I think I encountered something like 5 dragons, but only fought two (won't give further spoilers). Really, the centerpieces of the DLC are Apocrypha and Soltheim itself. I encountered one bug while fighting Miraak, but the rest of my time on the island has been pretty swell. Miraak himself was something of a disappointment for me. After reading about how difficult XBox players found him, I went in with my level 76 Nord Vampire Sorcerer, who proceeded to chew Miraak up and spit him out. I plan on trying again with a less powerful character type (my Breton thief, for example) and see how it goes.

If I were to compare it to Shivering Isles, I would say that it has a slightly shorter main quest, but near two or three times the number of side quests. Soltheim is jam-packed with things to do; some of them very multi-sided and very interesting. Actually, I was thinking of you, Skybird, while I was playing. Given the volume of side quests and their nature, I really think that this one is something you especially would like.


Please tell me that Solstheim is as good as it was in the Morrowind Bloodmoon expansion. I loved it in that game...but again....everything about SKyrim is amazing....except followers. They follow too far away. :shifty:

[Takeda Shingen]

Please tell me that Solstheim is as good as it was in the Morrowind Bloodmoon expansion. I loved it in that game...but again....everything about SKyrim is amazing....except followers. They follow too far away. :shifty:

I find Solstheim to be a little better than it was in Bloodmoon. Aside from the fact that it is visually stunning (an errupting Red Mountain looms menacingly, surf pounds the shore in places, ash storms plague the southern half of the island, Telvanni mushrooms are spectacular), there are many more things to do on the island, which in the former DLC is pretty much just a werewolf playground. Like in Bloodmoon, Solstheim is mostly wilderness, so don't expect to see a lot of roads.

EDIT: Also, there are no cliff racers.

EDIT 2: I actually like this follower distance in Skyrim, especially relative to how it was in Oblivion/Fallout 3/New Vegas. Nothing was more frustrating then turning around to have your follower in your face all the freaking time, especially big ones like Fawkes or Lilly, or wide ones like Sergeant RL-3

[Red October1984]

I find Solstheim to be a little better than it was in Bloodmoon. Aside from the fact that it is visually stunning (an errupting Red Mountain looms menacingly, surf pounds the shore in places, ash storms plague the southern half of the island, Telvanni mushrooms are spectacular), there are many more things to do on the island, which in the former DLC is pretty much just a werewolf playground. Like in Bloodmoon, Solstheim is mostly wilderness, so don't expect to see a lot of roads.

:hmmm: But Red Mountain is smack in the middle of Morrowind. Solstheim was in the Northeast corner....

How do ash storms reach it? :hmm2:

EDIT: And thank the lord that the Cliff Racers aren't included. I've probably killed a few hundred thousand in my Morrowind career...

[frau kaleun]

Currently 40 mods in use, stable.

Only 40? Slacker. :O:

Not sure I want to get DB, TBH I found the notorious dragon-hack'n-slaying of the original quest quite boring and was happy when it was over - and now I should start with dragions again...?

See, I'm just the opposite. I love the dragons. LOOOOOOVE them.

Granted mine are modded a bit - not with any of the "deadly" dragons mods, but with one that expands their Shout repertoire (which does end up making them more formidable) and gives them actual voiced Shouts - makes the battles so much more epic, especially combined with a mod that makes MY shouts still worth using in combat at higher levels. I thought I was sick of dragons too until I added those mods in. Now I'm back to loving them. Nothing like bopping down a road and suddenly hearing a deep roaring "FUS" come out of nowhere and then seeing yourself go flying through the air courtesy of the dragon that you never saw coming. :rock:

[Takeda Shingen]

:hmmm: But Red Mountain is smack in the middle of Morrowind. Solstheim was in the Northeast corner....

How do ash storms reach it? :hmm2:

EDIT: And thank the lord that the Cliff Racers aren't included. I've probably killed a few hundred thousand in my Morrowind career...

Red Mountain essentially exploded in the fifth year of the Fourth Era when the Baar Dau crashed into Vivec City. The exposion turned all of Vvardenfell, and most of the rest of Morrowind into a wasteland. The effects were felt as far away as Winterhold, which collapsed into the sea as a result of the various environmental effects. Accordingly, Red Mountain continues to spew ash such that it coats the southern half of Solstheim.

http://www.tes.altervista.org/mappagigante.jpg

According to the map, the distance between Red Mountain and Raven Rock would be about equal to the distance between the Throat of the World and Riften or Windhelm. According to game lore, Red Mountain is (or likely was) the second highest peak in Tamriel, with only Throat of the World being higher. So, it is completely sensible that it is not only visible from Solstheim, but would affect the climate as well.

[Red October1984]

Red Mountain essentially exploded in the fifth year of the Fourth Era when the Baar Dau crashed into Vivec City. The exposion turned all of Vvardenfell, and most of the rest of Morrowind into a wasteland. The effects were felt as far away as Winterhold, which collapsed into the sea as a result of the various environmental effects. Accordingly, Red Mountain continues to spew ash such that it coats the southern half of Solstheim.

http://www.tes.altervista.org/mappagigante.jpg

According to the map, the distance between Red Mountain and Raven Rock would be about equal to the distance between the Throat of the World and Riften or Windhelm. According to game lore, Red Mountain is (or likely was) the second highest peak in Tamriel, with only Throat of the World being higher. So, it is completely sensible that it is not only visible from Solstheim, but would affect the climate as well.

I'm not up to date on my Elder Scrolls story...I remember now that Morrowind took place in the Third Era.

I wonder if it's scripted into Morrowind...If you play to the 4th era and watch it explode. :O:


I never did finish the Morrowind Main Quest. I got an awesome character and the Journal system was flawed majorly. I kept forgetting what I had to do and it was extremely hard to dig up. The only ones I've finished are Oblivion and Skyrim. I've got the other three games but Arena and Daggerfall are impossibly hard...(maybe you guys can throw some hints my way...) and Morrowind...well...I have a Daedric Claymore and the Umbra so I can pretty much kill anyone in the game. I managed to kill Lord Vivec one time...It was cool. I got the "You've doomed the world" message and had to reload a save.

I think my main problem with Arena is that you can't see but about 50 feet in front of you and the graphics are bad so it's impossible to find my way around. Daggerfall fixes the graphics problems but I can't get out of the first dungeon. I keep getting killed.

Just for speculation...where do you think the next TES game will take place? I'm kinda hoping they remake Arena....The ability to go everywhere on Tamriel....too bad the original uses a random-scenery generator so the landscape changes. It's impossible to find your way around. Even after the opening dungeon...

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm not up to date on my Elder Scrolls story...I remember now that Morrowind took place in the Third Era.

I wonder if it's scripted into Morrowind...If you play to the 4th era and watch it explode. :O:


I never did finish the Morrowind Main Quest. I got an awesome character and the Journal system was flawed majorly. I kept forgetting what I had to do and it was extremely hard to dig up. The only ones I've finished are Oblivion and Skyrim. I've got the other three games but Arena and Daggerfall are impossibly hard...(maybe you guys can throw some hints my way...) and Morrowind...well...I have a Daedric Claymore and the Umbra so I can pretty much kill anyone in the game. I managed to kill Lord Vivec one time...It was cool. I got the "You've doomed the world" message and had to reload a save.

I think my main problem with Arena is that you can't see but about 50 feet in front of you and the graphics are bad so it's impossible to find my way around. Daggerfall fixes the graphics problems but I can't get out of the first dungeon. I keep getting killed.

Just for speculation...where do you think the next TES game will take place? I'm kinda hoping they remake Arena....The ability to go everywhere on Tamriel....too bad the original uses a random-scenery generator so the landscape changes. It's impossible to find your way around. Even after the opening dungeon...

Hey, I just showed my inner nerd, so no worries. If you think I am batty about TES, ask me about Fallout.

I have said it before, but I will repeat: My prediction is that TES VI will be set in Summerset Isle and will feature the Psijics and Artaeum. Blackmarsh would be a close second guess, but I am committing to Summerset.

[Red October1984]

Hey, I just showed my inner nerd, so no worries. If you think I am batty about TES, ask me about Fallout.

I have said it before, but I will repeat: My prediction is that TES VI will be set in Summerset Isle and will feature the Psijics and Artaeum. Blackmarsh would be a close second guess, but I am committing to Summerset.

It's okay Tak...haha...everybody has an inner nerd....

My inner nerd agrees with you. I love the TES series....Fallout is just as good but I haven't ever played the first two games. I'd like to sometime.

Summerset Isle? Why Summerset? And I always thought a Black Marsh game would be fun. I think I'm going to play Skyrim now...I'm almost out of things to do in this game.

I'm putting TES 3 Morrowind on my amazon PC Game to-buy list. I don't know if I could handle Oblivion on this machine...I'll pass on that for now. :doh:


I have a lot of games on the To-Buy list.... :oops:


I think I'll go finish out this Thieves Guild questline. I haven't even started to think about the Dark Brotherhood. I usually try to do them all...except in Morrowind. It was interesting how Morrowind did the faction system. They were all inter-connected by quests and you had to pick sides and make some enemies. I like it that way. I wish Skyrim had that.

TES Online looks like it's gonna be crappy....and is there going to be a new Fallout game or a new TES this year? They've more or less stuck to a schedule of Fallout and TES on alternating years for the past couple of years. Hopefully, Online doesn't count as this year's Bethesda game. :shifty:

[frau kaleun]

Inner nerd?


INNER nerd?


Please. You are posting on a submarine simulations forum. Inner nerds, my arse. Our nerds are all outer and you know it. :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

Summerset Isle? Why Summerset? And I always thought a Black Marsh game would be fun. I think I'm going to play Skyrim now...I'm almost out of things to do in this game.

I think Summerset because of the same reasons that I thought TES V would be in Skyrim. Oblivion kept coming back to this northern thing. Cloud Ruler Temple was up near the border. Many of the games major events took place in or around Bruma. The big late-game dungeon was Sancre Tor, where the nord army finally submitted to Tiber Septim. Even the final daedric quest (Hermaeus Mora) makes you go all the way into the deep Jeralls to get to it. It just all seemed to point that way.

With Skyrim, the game's secondary anatgonists are the Thalmor. Even the Psijics proper make an appearance in game for the first time in any game, discounting the King of Worms, Mannimarco in Oblivion who was technically once a member. Most of the game's major undercurrents revolve around either the Thalmor Altmer doing nasty things or bad things happening in Morrowind, and since we've already been to Morrowind I can't see Bethesda doing another full game there. The Thalmor are probably going to have to go at some point, and the only real way I see that happening is internally, as the Empire is far too weak to move directly, even with Skyrim brought back into the fold, which is the most likely scenario for future game canon. The only group in the Summerset sphere that could oppose the Thalmor are the Psijics of Artaeum, and we have seen that those two group do not get along to the point that the Psijics actually withdrew from the world and made Artaeum disappear.

So, it looks like everything is pointing to Summerset.

Inner nerd?


INNER nerd?


Please. You are posting on a submarine simulations forum. Inner nerds, my arse. Our nerds are all outer and you know it. :O:

Truth.

[Red October1984]

Inner nerd?


INNER nerd?


Please. You are posting on a submarine simulations forum. Inner nerds, my arse. Our nerds are all outer and you know it. :O:

B-bu-but.....oh wait. You are absolutely right. :D

[Onkel Neal]

Inner nerd?


INNER nerd?


Please. You are posting on a submarine simulations forum. Inner nerds, my arse. Our nerds are all outer and you know it. :O:


:har:

[frau kaleun]

Oh BTW in case you were wondering why I wasn't around for a bit... here's one of the reasons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQ_xy_ANOg). I don't think I posted it here before, thought some of you might get a kick out of it.

It's far from perfect but as a first major production, I think it worked out well.

[Takeda Shingen]

Oh BTW in case you were wondering why I wasn't around for a bit... here's one of the reasons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQ_xy_ANOg). I don't think I posted it here before, thought some of you might get a kick out of it.

It's far from perfect but as a first major production, I think it worked out well.

Nice work, frau!

I have Ulfric following me too. He is a busy man indeed, but shall we say that he finds himself compelled to serve my ends.......for eternity *Insert clap of thunder and evil laughter*

[frau kaleun]

I have Ulfric following me too. He is a busy man indeed, but shall we say that he finds himself compelled to serve my ends.......for eternity *Insert clap of thunder and evil laughter*

You Dead Thralled my Ulfric? YOU BASTARD!!! :stare: :wah:

Altho I have to say... any way you can get Ulfric as a follower is worth the effort. Unless... does he retain all his combat dialogue and antics and shouts and stuff as a thrall? Because that stuff is awesome.

That last game, the one I did the wedding vid from, I had him as a follower going through Forelhost and a number of other draugr/priest infested dungeons. I was leveled up enough that they were full of Deathlords and Death Overlords. Almost nothing but. Ulfric would Disarm them and then they'd stand there trying to win via pathetic b-slaps before giving up and taking off in the opposite direction.

And there is nothing quite as satisfying as watching a Draugr Death Overlord give up and RUN AWAY. :rock:

[Takeda Shingen]

You Dead Thralled my Ulfric? YOU BASTARD!!! :stare: :wah:

Altho I have to say... any way you can get Ulfric as a follower is worth the effort. Unless... does he retain all his combat dialogue and antics and shouts and stuff as a thrall? Because that stuff is awesome.

That last game, the one I did the wedding vid from, I had him as a follower going through Forelhost and a number of other draugr/priest infested dungeons. I was leveled up enough that they were full of Deathlords and Death Overlords. Almost nothing but. Ulfric would Disarm them and then they'd stand there trying to win via pathetic b-slaps before giving up and taking off in the opposite direction.

And there is nothing quite as satisfying as watching a Draugr Death Overlord give up and RUN AWAY. :rock:

Absolutely. I keep a stock of thralls in the master's quarters cage in Castle Volkihar. Ulfric is probably my best thrall due to the fact that, you do get his shouts of Disarm and Unrelenting Force. Also fantastic is the fact that he doesn't moan. It gets old walking along and hearing uuuuuuggggghhhh every 10 seconds.

Ah, necromancer problems.

[Skybird]

Oh BTW in case you were wondering why I wasn't around for a bit... here's one of the reasons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQ_xy_ANOg). I don't think I posted it here before, thought some of you might get a kick out of it.

It's far from perfect but as a first major production, I think it worked out well.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3155/unbenannthd.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/145/unbenannthd.png/)

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:Kaleun_Mad:

Not your fault, Frau. GEMA and Google are lying in clinch since a long time over here. Both are salivating for more money than any of the two deserves. You probably used a copyrighted soundtrack, I assume. Wait - it's your fault after all, then. :O:

[frau kaleun]

Also fantastic is the fact that he doesn't moan.

I take it you've never married him, then. :woot:

[frau kaleun]

:Kaleun_Mad:

Not your fault, Frau. GEMA and Google are lying in clinch since a long time over here. Both are salivating for more money than any of the two deserves. You probably used a copyrighted soundtrack, I assume. Wait - it's your fault after all, then. :O:

Bummer. Just take it from me, then, I totally should be up for an Oscar for that masterpiece. :O:

[Red October1984]

I take it you've never married him, then. :woot:

HAHA! :har:


I married Aela the Huntress...

A good follower for me!!! :yeah:

Because that's totally why I did it...I did it for the Archery... :D

@Frau Kaleun Is that your Youtube channel?

[frau kaleun]

HAHA! :har:


I married Aela the Huntress...

A good follower for me!!! :yeah:

Because that's totally why I did it...I did it for the Archery... :D

I totally married Ulfric for the manflesh, but it turns out he's an awesome follower as well.

@Frau Kaleun Is that your Youtube channel?

Yup.

[Red October1984]

I totally married Ulfric for the manflesh, but it turns out he's an awesome follower as well.


Yup.

I'll subscribe to your channel...

And Ulfric? You can have him...I fought for his side in the War but I'll stick with Aela the Huntress...

[frau kaleun]

I'll subscribe to your channel...

And Ulfric? You can have him...I fought for his side in the War but I'll stick with Aela the Huntress...

Just goes to show, there's no accounting for taste. Maybe if I were a hetero dude I'd feel differently, but I wouldn't voluntarily have Aela as a follower for all the septims in Skyrim. She's very close to the top of the non-enemy NPCs I hate the most.

[Red October1984]

Just goes to show, there's no accounting for taste. Maybe if I were a hetero dude I'd feel differently, but I wouldn't voluntarily have Aela as a follower for all the septims in Skyrim. She's very close to the top of the non-enemy NPCs I hate the most.

I thought she was perfect. Fellow werewolf, trains me in archery, can follow me, runs a shop, etc.

What's not to like?

I finished the TG questline yesterday. Time to start the Dark Brotherhood.


I'm still stuck on Daggerfall and Arena... :shifty:

[frau kaleun]

What's not to like?

Well, first off there's the fact that she's so arrogant about her own abilities, and yet I have to take another follower along for *real* backup (thank Talos for UFO) on any quest that forces her "assistance" on my character. Except for the one time I didn't do them until I was leveled up high enough, with deliberately OPed gear, that I could do all the actual work myself.

Because her SOP in combat seems to be: ram into me from behind when I'm trying to line up a sneak shot, get in my way when I'm trying to cast a spell or engage in melee, block every doorway/tunnel/small space in which I'm trying to maneuver, and then take two hits and drop to one knee leaving me to deal with all the enemies who are still alive because she completely destroyed any chance I had of killing them before we reached that point.

Seriously, people complain about Farkas being useless in Proving Honor, but I haven't found that to be the case. Aela, on the other hand... utterly worthless. Maybe she's better if you take her as a follower later and give her better gear, but the way she is in the faction questline: :down: Words cannot express my horror when I got to the point in Glory of the Dead the first time where Farkas bows out of the mission. I thought I was gonna have some real help on that one, and still ended up with just Aela for the hardest parts of the dungeon. Ugh.

And then there's the fact that she uses what is probably my least favorite voice in the entire game. I hate almost every NPC who uses it and I've given up trying to figure out whether I hate them because of the voice, or hate the voice because of the NPCs who have it. I suspect it's a little of both.

There's also the fact that my own personal perspective on the faction questline itself and the way it plays out make her a very unsympathetic character IMO, in fact it makes her seem to me like a very selfish, manipulative, and underhanded person. Me no likey. I feel much the same way about Skjor in that respect, but at least he gets a bit of a pass because he doesn't have that voice and dies before he has the chance to really get on my nerves. And I'm never forced to have him as quest buddy for anything.

Long story short, I deal with Aela as little as possible and only when necessary, and make "outside arrangements" for a useful follower whenever I'm forced to use her as a shield-sister. Once I finish the questline and have only radiant quests left, I have nothing more to do with her unless I still need her for archery training and that's very rarely the case.

[Red October1984]

I will admit that she wasn't the best during the Companion questline. I just like free archery training. I don't use followers really ever since Lydia died.

She was horrible and I don't bother with followers anymore. Lydia was always like 700 yards behind me when a fight broke out and by the time she got there, I didn't need her service anymore. I used her as a pack rat.

Aela just sits at Breezehome in Whiterun making money for me and providing training in archery.

I just finished the Thieves Guild and the Nightingale Bow is awesome...and the Nightingale Armor makes me look like Batman! :rock:

It's gonna help a lot when I start the Dark Brotherhood here soon. The boots make you silent. No noise when you sneak. I love it. I didn't like having Brynolf along for the trip...but Karliah isn't bad. She's halfway decent in a fight. Brynolf...well...I don't like him much.

I'm running out of things to do in Skyrim... :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

I just finished the Thieves Guild and the Nightingale Bow is awesome...and the Nightingale Armor makes me look like Batman! :rock:

It's gonna help a lot when I start the Dark Brotherhood here soon. The boots make you silent. No noise when you sneak. I love it. I didn't like having Brynolf along for the trip...but Karliah isn't bad. She's halfway decent in a fight. Brynolf...well...I don't like him much.

Boy are you going to be mad when you see the enchantments and stats on your Shrouded Armor.

[Dowly]

DRAGONBORN: SKYRIM RAP (by Dan Bull):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlF__TYMoRY

:yeah:

[Stealhead]

I will admit that she wasn't the best during the Companion questline. I just like free archery training. I don't use followers really ever since Lydia died.

She was horrible and I don't bother with followers anymore. Lydia was always like 700 yards behind me when a fight broke out and by the time she got there, I didn't need her service anymore. I used her as a pack rat.

Aela just sits at Breezehome in Whiterun making money for me and providing training in archery.

I just finished the Thieves Guild and the Nightingale Bow is awesome...and the Nightingale Armor makes me look like Batman! :rock:

It's gonna help a lot when I start the Dark Brotherhood here soon. The boots make you silent. No noise when you sneak. I love it. I didn't like having Brynolf along for the trip...but Karliah isn't bad. She's halfway decent in a fight. Brynolf...well...I don't like him much.

I'm running out of things to do in Skyrim... :hmmm:


Really? Running out of things to do. You must not be playing the PC version or your not modding one of the two.

[frau kaleun]

Really? Running out of things to do. You must not be playing the PC version or your not modding one of the two.

He's on Xbox, I think.

I haven't added any quests via mod, only new quest content is from the DLCs of which I've bought two but haven't played with either of them yet. And I *still* haven't done everything there is to do, or if I have some of it was done only once and so long ago that I barely remember it.

Lol I found a dungeon on my last playthrough that I was SURE I'd never seen before, only to get part of the way through and suddenly remember having gone through it once a long time ago.

[Red October1984]

He's on Xbox, I think.

I haven't added any quests via mod, only new quest content is from the DLCs of which I've bought two but haven't played with either of them yet. And I *still* haven't done everything there is to do, or if I have some of it was done only once and so long ago that I barely remember it.

Lol I found a dungeon on my last playthrough that I was SURE I'd never seen before, only to get part of the way through and suddenly remember having gone through it once a long time ago.

I am on Xbox. Yes. :up:

I wish they still had the Fighter's Guild and I really liked the Great House thing in Morrowind...

Morrowind was such a good game... I think I might play it this weekend... :cool:

[Stealhead]

I tend to "cycle" my games if it is something that I like it will stay in my active library for a long time.

For example I have had Fallout 3 since launch in 2008 and it has never been removed from my PC same goes with Oblivion another permanent slot in my library goes to IL-2 1946(started way before 1946 came along).

I also tend to take my time when playing a game why rush through it? That is what the consoles force players to do to some extent.I disagree a good game should still be playable and enjoyable at least 5 years after it launches.Now You don't have to play the same game constantly for 5 years but you get my drift I think.

[Red October1984]

I tend to "cycle" my games if it is something that I like it will stay in my active library for a long time.

For example I have had Fallout 3 since launch in 2008 and it has never been removed from my PC same goes with Oblivion another permanent slot in my library goes to IL-2 1946(started way before 1946 came along).

I also tend to take my time when playing a game why rush through it? That is what the consoles force players to do to some extent.I disagree a good game should still be playable and enjoyable at least 5 years after it launches.Now You don't have to play the same game constantly for 5 years but you get my drift I think.

I fully agree. I still play games from a while back. Console games are too short and if you want more content you have to pay. It's a shame that my system isn't very powerful graphics-wise.

[Stealhead]

Actually you don't really need that grand of a PC to play games like Skyrim,FO3/FONV.I have a fairly modest PC from 2008 and I can run these games fairly well.Sure I am not running them maxed out but you can see shots from these games that I have posted in the Screen shots thread.

I have an Intel Q6600 quad core 3GB RAM an EVGA (nvidia) 440GT
on a 1680x1050 monitor. With that I can play most games that I like anyway just fine.I don't get the highest FPS but that really only matters with a high end simulators or certain shooters neither of which really interest me.I play Red Orchestra 2 but that game is not FPS intensive.

You could buy or better yet have a decent shop build a good gaming PC for you for around $1,000 and that would do well for a good while.

One benefit of the console domination of the market is that it actually stagnates what most PC games require to run because most games are designed multi platform.This in my opinion is good because you dont have to run around updating hardware every two or three years.

[Red October1984]

Actually you don't really need that grand of a PC to play games like Skyrim,FO3/FONV.I have a fairly modest PC from 2008 and I can run these games fairly well.Sure I am not running them maxed out but you can see shots from these games that I have posted in the Screen shots thread.

I have an Intel Q6600 quad core 3GB RAM an EVGA (nvidia) 440GT
on a 1680x1050 monitor. With that I can play most games that I like anyway just fine.I don't get the highest FPS but that really only matters with a high end simulators or certain shooters neither of which really interest me.I play Red Orchestra 2 but that game is not FPS intensive.

You could buy or better yet have a decent shop build a good gaming PC for you for around $1,000 and that would do well for a good while.

One benefit of the console domination of the market is that it actually stagnates what most PC games require to run because most games are designed multi platform.This in my opinion is good because you dont have to run around updating hardware every two or three years.

One of these days I'm going to get me a good gaming rig. When I do, I probably won't ever play xbox again. PC Gaming is so much better.

I have good specs, but I have a 64 MB Graphics Card....on a laptop...which means I cannot change it.

:wah: I'll get there eventually.

[Krauter]

So let me get this straight... If I haven't completed a certain quest in skyrims main quest line and I travel to solstheim I cannot do DBs main questions?... BS! Not even a prod to let me know. Wow

[Takeda Shingen]

So let me get this straight... If I haven't completed a certain quest in skyrims main quest line and I travel to solstheim I cannot do DBs main questions?... BS! Not even a prod to let me know. Wow

Yeah. That's right. You've got to wait for certain events to trigger. Makes sense story wise.

[kiwi_2005]

Oh man i never thought i would miss this game. A mate offered me his Xbox so i could try out Skyrim from the TV at a distance of course. I know i can play games from a distance just not close up as long as there is light in the room. Cant play it on the PC tried and failed i would have to sit a few feet a way from the monitor if i did. :-?

[Red October1984]

Oh man i never thought i would miss this game. A mate offered me his Xbox so i could try out Skyrim from the TV at a distance of course. I know i can play games from a distance just not close up as long as there is light in the room. Cant play it on the PC tried and failed i would have to sit a few feet a way from the monitor if i did. :-?

Try it out on Xbox. I really like it on Xbox. :up:

[frau kaleun]

Well I just bought Dragonborn but I don't think it's downloading yet as the latest HD textures update started as soon as I went online with Steam.

Anyhoo... biggest potential issue with mods seems to be DB followers not working well with UFO's multiple follower setup, altho there is a workaround (don't try to take a DLC follower without dismissing all other followers first) and a few people I know aren't having any problems with it at all so far.

Other smaller mods I have for things like potion weight and better sorting will need to be updated to accommodate new items but I was gonna have to do that for the other DLCs anyway, so I figured I might as well get DB now and take care of all of it at once.

Given how quickly they got the first unofficial patch out they will probably have fine-tuned that a bit more before I'm ready to play so... yeah.

Still not looking forward to trying to re-mod the player housing with HF in the mix but I'll figure it out. That should only keep me out of the game until... oh, Easter at the latest. :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

UFO hasn't been working correctly since Hearthfire. It has been impossible to dismiss followers when you have more than one. Something tied to the new steward role. It's a shame too, it was a pretty good mod.

[Red October1984]

Well I just bought Dragonborn but I don't think it's downloading yet as the latest HD textures update started as soon as I went online with Steam.

Anyhoo... biggest potential issue with mods seems to be DB followers not working well with UFO's multiple follower setup, altho there is a workaround (don't try to take a DLC follower without dismissing all other followers first) and a few people I know aren't having any problems with it at all so far.

Other smaller mods I have for things like potion weight and better sorting will need to be updated to accommodate new items but I was gonna have to do that for the other DLCs anyway, so I figured I might as well get DB now and take care of all of it at once.

Given how quickly they got the first unofficial patch out they will probably have fine-tuned that a bit more before I'm ready to play so... yeah.

Still not looking forward to trying to re-mod the player housing with HF in the mix but I'll figure it out. That should only keep me out of the game until... oh, Easter at the latest. :O:

Do you ever even play Skyrim? It seems like all you ever do is mod....mod some more....and when that doesn't satisfy you...You mod more!

:timeout: I can't keep up. :D

[frau kaleun]

UFO hasn't been working correctly since Hearthfire. It has been impossible to dismiss followers when you have more than one. Something tied to the new steward role. It's a shame too, it was a pretty good mod.

Is this even with the UFO Hearthfire patch installed? Everybody else I know who is playing with both is not having problems. I know there was an issue with stewards but I thought there was a workaround for that.

Do you ever even play Skyrim? It seems like all you ever do is mod....mod some more....and when that doesn't satisfy you...You mod more!

:timeout: I can't keep up. :D

What I do is get a mod setup that I like and then play a character with that, then make whatever tweaks I want (and can make mid-game) as I go. If a mod problem arises that becomes a gamebreaker I'll just stop and fix it and then start over. Fortunately that's a rarity.

Right now I have very little left to do except patch a couple mods for compability with the new items added by DG and DB (which is finally downloading, yay) and that won't take long; there's one more small thing I want to do regarding merchant gold which MAY involve changing a few of the Speech perks, but that shouldn't take long since I'm using another mod as a model for it.

But then there's the player houses thing, which will probably take a while to figure out with HF added into the mix. Mostly it's just gonna be a matter of figuring out what HF does and how/when it does it so I don't mod in something that doesn't work with it.

[Red October1984]

What I do is get a mod setup that I like and then play a character with that, then make whatever tweaks I want (and can make mid-game) as I go. If a mod problem arises that becomes a gamebreaker I'll just stop and fix it and then start over. Fortunately that's a rarity.

Right now I have very little left to do except patch a couple mods for compability with the new items added by DG and DB (which is finally downloading, yay) and that won't take long; there's one more small thing I want to do regarding merchant gold which MAY involve changing a few of the Speech perks, but that shouldn't take long since I'm using another mod as a model for it.

But then there's the player houses thing, which will probably take a while to figure out with HF added into the mix. Mostly it's just gonna be a matter of figuring out what HF does and how/when it does it so I don't mod in something that doesn't work with it.

Makes sense if i don't think about it.....right.... :hmmm:


:O:

[frau kaleun]

Makes sense if i don't think about it.....right.... :hmmm:


:O:

The thing is, I enjoy modding almost as much as I enjoy playing. The point where I know it's time to retire a character and start tweaking is when I'm playing and for every one second I spend thinking about what my character is doing I spend TWO seconds going "oooh I bet I could mod something that would fix/change/improve that."

Plus there's the excitement of figuring out HOW to do something, which is awesome.

[NeonSamurai]

What Frau described is pretty much how I play any game that can be modded at all, and I've been doing it for almost 20 years now. I think what I do is more extensive though, as I am notorious for re-doing/re-balancing all the item stats in a game, particularly weapons. Not unusual for me to spend more time modding a game than actually playing it. I once spent 4 months doing nothing but playing with numbers for X-3 Reunion. Ended up redoing all the stats for all the ships, stations, weapons, and objects, including making several spreadsheets to do all the calculations, and entering in all those figures (which was a royal pain). KSP for example is turning into a real headache for me. I am using a pile of different mods and plugins (and these mods keep getting version updates with new or changed parts), and trying to keep them all balanced together and in line with the main game's parts (which I modded too), as I find most run of the mill modders are horrible (IMHO) at balancing items, so I have literally redone several hundred parts (over 400).

When ever I get to Skyrim, I'll probably do the same as well. Needless to say I figure it will be at least a year (not until the GOTY version) until I even look at that one. (the elder scrolls and fallout series from bethesda always suck up huge amounts of modding time for me).

What she is describing though makes perfect sense to me, as I also will play for a bit, and then find something else I think is broken or I don't like, or whatever, then try to fix it. (Psst frau, keep backup saves from major points in the game, so you don't get forced into a restart as much.)

[Red October1984]

The thing is, I enjoy modding almost as much as I enjoy playing. The point where I know it's time to retire a character and start tweaking is when I'm playing and for every one second I spend thinking about what my character is doing I spend TWO seconds going "oooh I bet I could mod something that would fix/change/improve that."

Plus there's the excitement of figuring out HOW to do something, which is awesome.

I see your point

:arrgh!:

[frau kaleun]

What she is describing though makes perfect sense to me, as I also will play for a bit, and then find something else I think is broken or I don't like, or whatever, then try to fix it. (Psst frau, keep backup saves from major points in the game, so you don't get forced into a restart as much.)

Oh, I save religiously, just as a general practice. Especially since turning off Autosaves. :O:

But I also make a save before encountering/doing/loading something that I know is going to be affected by a mod I'm trying out. Usually if there's a problem I'll find it right away, but once in a while I run into an unforeseen circumstance many MANY gaming hours later and if it really fouls up something I was looking forward to, or which was a major planned "plot point" in that character's career, I'll just start over after fixing it. All part of the learning process.

And that's what's fun for me about modding - trying out a mod, seeing what it does in the game, then cracking it open to figure out HOW it did that and that's how I learn how stuff in the game works. Then I use that as a jumping off point to make the specific changes I want to make, either by modifying the mod or making an entirely new one.

[kiwi_2005]

Try it out on Xbox. I really like it on Xbox. :up:

Graphic wise i suppose it all comes down to what TV i own:hmmm: One of thos HDMI TVs. Im not expecting High end PC graphics as long as it good enough for that wow factor, TV is about 4yrs old. Hope its not too old. :haha:

[Red October1984]

Graphic wise i suppose it all comes down to what TV i own:hmmm: One of thos HDMI TVs. Im not expecting High end PC graphics as long as it good enough for that wow factor, TV is about 4yrs old. Hope its not too old. :haha:

It's not too old...


It'll be fine. :up:

[kiwi_2005]

It's not too old...


It'll be fine. :up:

Good to know :up: Waiting for the xbox to show up tonight.:yeah: Oh and i bought me a dvd player for the tv little did i know that the xbox can already play dvd films:/\\!! Im so behind in this console technology :haha:

[Red October1984]

Good to know :up: Waiting for the xbox to show up tonight.:yeah: Oh and i bought me a dvd player for the tv little did i know that the xbox can already play dvd films:/\\!! Im so behind in this console technology :haha:

If you have any questions...feel free to PM me. I can help you out in that department. :D

[Skybird]

Anyhoo... biggest potential issue with mods seems to be DB followers not working well with UFO's multiple follower setup, altho there is a workaround (don't try to take a DLC follower without dismissing all other followers first) and a few people I know aren't having any problems with it at all so far.

Try AFT, works flawless for me. Using DB myself since two days.


Other smaller mods I have for things like potion weight and better sorting will need to be updated to accommodate new items but I was gonna have to do that for the other DLCs anyway, so I figured I might as well get DB now and take care of all of it at once.

Given how quickly they got the first unofficial patch out they will probably have fine-tuned that a bit more before I'm ready to play so... yeah.

Still not looking forward to trying to re-mod the player housing with HF in the mix but I'll figure it out. That should only keep me out of the game until... oh, Easter at the latest. :O:
I am currently running 40 or 41 mods. None of them failed with the new DLC except Frostfall - in Solstheim the temperatures do not seem to change and thus, exposure ratings as well. That's all. Returning to Skyrim had it functioning again.

[frau kaleun]

Try AFT, works flawless for me. Using DB myself since two days.

According to its Readme it doesn't play nice with Hearthfire. Also it appears to have a lot of stuff I don't care about while lacking some of the things I do care about and get with UFO, so... no.

I am currently running 40 or 41 mods. None of them failed with the new DLC except Frostfall - in Solstheim the temperatures do not seem to change and thus, exposure ratings as well. That's all. Returning to Skyrim had it functioning again.

I'm probably somewhere over 100 now, maybe even 150. However a lot of those are textures/meshes only or very specific item fixes so I don't anticipate them causing any problems with DLC gameplay. Most of the big game-play changing mods don't appear to be a problem either, and some of them have already been updated for all the DLCs where needed. UFO may have a DB update by the time I'm ready to play it, if not - I know the workaround.

[Skybird]

According to its Readme it doesn't play nice with Hearthfire. Also it appears to have a lot of stuff I don't care about while lacking some of the things I do care about and get with UFO, so... no.

Well, I have Heartfire. married to Mjoll, two kids, all living in the house at Morthal. Aela as stewart, and the Morthal housecarl, also living and patrolling there. And a rabbit for the girl. And me. And sometimes one, two, three or four additional followers, amongst them Serana. No problem. They walk around, they sit, dance, eat, fight if the house is attacked and they are outside, all by themselves. The can be dismissed and hired as wanted. I can also freeze them where I want them to stay, meaning to dismiss them without them going back to their place of origin, but stay were they are for as new pickup.

And amongst some other options, AFT allows me to order any follower to establish a camp with tent, fire, tanning rack, which comes handy at times when using Frostfall as well.

My house in Morthal is probably the most wellguarded and heavily armed place in whole Skyrim. :D All people at my skill level, having legendary enchanted armour and weapons only. Would not recommend anyone to go there and start trouble. :D

[frau kaleun]

I don't use Frostfall or similar, I do use a mod that lets me craft portable bedrolls and put them down wherever I like so sleeping is possible whenever and wherever. Fires and shelter haven't really been an issue, I've never had a problem finding existing campsites or hey let's sleep in this cave or ruin, well we might have to clear some critters or bandits first but that's just how we roll in Skyrim. :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

My house in Morthal is probably the most wellguarded and heavily armed place in whole Skyrim. :D All people at my skill level, having legendary enchanted armour and weapons only. Would not recommend anyone to go there and start trouble. :D

Yes, but Windstad Manor has the worst bard in Skyrim, at least in the English version. She uses the Karita voice, which is like nails on a chalkboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr1qC-3sVHM

That's just hella bad. Because of it, I always go with Lakeview, as that bard uses the Mikael/Sven voice, which is in my opinion the best of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dj7EVJ_mtA

So. Much. Better.

[frau kaleun]

Yes, but Windstad Manor has the worst bard in Skyrim, at least in the English version. She uses the Karita voice, which is like nails on a chalkboard.

Oh dear. That's not the one who "sings" at the inn in Dawnstar, is it? I'm pretty sure it's Dawnstar. I think Ulfric's face says it all...

http://imageshack.us/a/img14/5964/pleasemakeitstop.jpg

"If I were High King of Skyrim right now, I'd have her executed for crimes against humanity. And meranity. And the anity of any sentient creature with ears."

You don't get the bard just by buying the house, do you? How about if I pay them extra NOT to include the bard?


I always go with Lakeview, as that bard uses the Mikael/Sven voice, which is in my opinion the best of them.


My fave is actually Talsgar.

I wonder if there's a way to alter which voice an NPC uses, provided they're not using anything unique. I wouldn't mind having a bard around but not if it sounds like a couple of the really awful vanilla ones. But what I'd really prefer is one who just plays and doesn't sing. I like the one in... I think it's Ivarstead, the one where the innkeeper is always encouraging her to continue her performances. I've paid her to perform and all she does is play the lute, and it's quite nice. I've never heard her sing at all.

[Stealhead]

Everyone knows that Lurbuk is by far the worst bard in Skyrim.

[Takeda Shingen]

Oh dear. That's not the one who "sings" at the inn in Dawnstar, is it? I'm pretty sure it's Dawnstar. I think Ulfric's face says it all...



"If I were High King of Skyrim right now, I'd have her executed for crimes against humanity. And meranity. And the anity of any sentient creature with ears."

Yep, that's the Windpeak Inn in sunny Dawnstar. My favorite comment on that YouTube page: 1000 bounty added to Dawnstar.

Yeah I hear her a lot as my Listener's, uh, activities keep him hanging around town.

You don't get the bard just by buying the house, do you? How about if I pay them extra NOT to include the bard?

No, you have to hire the bard, but you don't get to pick. I think it is a nice touch, so I always do so. At least at Lakeview.



My fave is actually Talsgar.

I wonder if there's a way to alter which voice an NPC uses, provided they're not using anything unique. I wouldn't mind having a bard around but not if it sounds like a couple of the really awful vanilla ones. But what I'd really prefer is one who just plays and doesn't sing. I like the one in... I think it's Ivarstead, the one where the innkeeper is always encouraging her to continue her performances. I've paid her to perform and all she does is play the lute, and it's quite nice. I've never heard her sing at all.

That would be Lynly Star-Sung at the Vilemyr Inn (man am I really nerding out here). No, she only plays; no singing.

Everyone knows that Lurbuk is by far the worst bard in Skyrim.

Was. He was.

[frau kaleun]

No, you have to hire the bard, but you don't get to pick.

I may have to crack open HF in the CK and look at the new bards, there may be a way to change which voice file they use. If the one you're talking about is using the same voice files as Karita, maybe I can figure out how to make her use something that won't make me and everyone else who lives there want to pour boiling troll fat in our own ears.

Was. He was.

And to think that people were lining up to take out a contract on him, while the chick in Dawnstar is still free to caterwaul with impunity. There truly is no justice in this world.

[Skybird]

I don't use Frostfall or similar, I do use a mod that lets me craft portable bedrolls and put them down wherever I like so sleeping is possible whenever and wherever.
Me too. I think it is part of Frostfall Survival Kit Skills. I can draft even several types of tents: leather in rain, fur in snow. Fur in rain: not good, catches less warmth, leather in snow: the same, less warm.

Do you get your mods via Steam - comfortable that is - or manually install them via Nexus? Sometimes, I think, versions differ slightly, or the actual versions are not synchronized. I for the most stick with the Steam method, its care-free when a new mod versions gets posted.


Fires and shelter haven't really been an issue, I've never had a problem finding existing campsites or hey let's sleep in this cave or ruin, well we might have to clear some critters or bandits first but that's just how we roll in Skyrim. :O:
That is becasueyou do not let run Frostfall Exposure with an increased value then. ;) I have it at 1.3x or 1.4x. And believe me, then the temperatures and cloathing, and your reserves in firewood when travelling the North, are suddenly the top number one concern on your list of worries. :D It adds a tremendous feeling of pressure to the game, and really effects fighting as well when the battle lasts one you get colder and colder.

To me, Frostfall and Hpyothermia, as well as the according added cloathing options, are maybe the most important addon to the game. It should have been in by default, I think, considering that half of the people in the game walk around half naked in icy weather and snow and blizzards.

My latest recruitment for my gang - cute, isn't she:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2818/screenshot448.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/screenshot448.png/)


The game calls her Erin the Warrior Poet. I call her Frau Kaleun :D :woot:

[frau kaleun]

That is becasueyou do not let run Frostfall Exposure with an increased value then. ;)

I don't run Frostfall at all, or any mods of that sort, as I've already said. First off, I don't really play anything but Nords, so it's easy to RP that my innate frost resistance allows me some leeway with regard to those things. Second, from what I can tell, the mod only effects the PC, not NPCs that I would be encountering. Why should *I* have to worry about how cold I am as a battle goes on and on when my opponents - who may be far more exposed and less resistant to it than me - have no such disadvantage?

Even if the second thing is a misunderstanding on my part as to how the mod works, though, it wouldn't really make any difference. There is a limit to how much crap I'm willing to micromanage in playing a game like this. :O:

Oh, and I don't use Steam for mods. That whole "subscribe" and then it downloads and updates automatically - no thanks. I prefer to be in control of what goes into my game and when. If it's not on the Nexus I don't use it. The only exception would be something that I felt was a must-have that I couldn't get any other way, and even then I'd just subscribe and let it download and then unsubscribe after copying the mod's files so I could handle them the way I wanted.

I keep Steam in offline mode anyway, unless I'm deliberately intending to let a patch get downloaded or buy a DLC. Otherwise no changes are made to the game files except when I make them.

[Skybird]

I don't run Frostfall at all, or any mods of that sort, as I've already said. First off, I don't really play anything but Nords, so it's easy to RP that my innate frost resistance allows me some leeway with regard to those things. Second, from what I can tell, the mod only effects the PC, not NPCs that I would be encountering. Why should *I* have to worry about how cold I am as a battle goes on and on when my opponents - who may be far more exposed and less resistant to it than me - have no such disadvantage?

For the challenge, and immersion. The game is too easy anyway.


Even if the second thing is a misunderstanding on my part as to how the mod works, though, it wouldn't really make any difference. There is a limit to how much crap I'm willing to micromanage in playing a game like this. :O:

There was a food mod I once tried, well, THAT was micromanaging it to the worst.


I keep Steam in offline mode anyway, unless I'm deliberately intending to let a patch get downloaded or buy a DLC. Otherwise no changes are made to the game files except when I make them.
So do I. Online I am only every couple of weeks to allow any possible mod updates and game patches installing, then I go offline again.

[frau kaleun]

For the challenge, and immersion. The game is too easy anyway.

But we all have different ideas about what kind of "harder" is enjoyable and what isn't. I do mine mostly by self-imposed limitations - I make my characters sleep, eat, look for shelter at night and in bad weather.. but I don't want a mod telling me I must do those things, or else, when I decide that all I want to do for a couple hours is run around killing things. :D


here was a food mod I once tried, well, THAT was micromanaging it to the worst.

I don't use mods that require eating to survive, but I do find it a challenge to make sure I have food and drink on hand when traveling and my characters do stop and eat at least twice a day. In fact I've got my own custom food/drink/cooking mod, I swiped some textures and meshes from larger mods for the new items or just duplicated what was already in the game if possible. More food items, more recipes, I've added non-alcoholic beverages and drinking water (has to be collected from one of several possible sites and then boiled at a cooking pot)... but again that's all voluntary on my part, I don't want some mod telling me I can't do this or that because I didn't get my daily recommended amount of the five basic food groups. :O:

[Red October1984]

My latest recruitment for my gang - cute, isn't she:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2818/screenshot448.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/screenshot448.png/)


The game calls her Erin the Warrior Poet. I call her Frau Kaleun :D :woot:

The moment we start calling virtual people "Cute" is where we have to draw the line...

I'm sorry...but calling a virtual person cute...that's too far for me....

And we don't know what Frau Kaleun looks like so we can't compare her to virtual people...or even name virtual people with her name.

:O: I prefer real women... :haha:

[Stealhead]

The moment we start calling virtual people "Cute" is where we have to draw the line...

I'm sorry...but calling a virtual person cute...that's too far for me....

And we don't know what Frau Kaleun looks like so we can't compare her to virtual people...or even name virtual people with her name.

:O: I prefer real women... :haha:

Frau kaleun is a Valkyrie all of whom are beautiful.

[Spike88]

The moment we start calling virtual people "Cute" is where we have to draw the line...

I'm sorry...but calling a virtual person cute...that's too far for me....

And we don't know what Frau Kaleun looks like so we can't compare her to virtual people...or even name virtual people with her name.

:O: I prefer real women... :haha:

I believe there is/was a photo of Frau in the General Topic dedicated to user photos.

[frau kaleun]

Frau kaleun is a Valkyrie all of whom are beautiful.

He only says that because he wants to get into Valhalla when he croaks. :P

I believe there is/was a photo of Frau in the General Topic dedicated to user photos.

Nope, but you can find a nice one here:

http://tinyurl.com/fraukaleun

Enjoy!

[Dowly]

Nope, but you can find a nice one here:

http://tinyurl.com/fraukaleun

Enjoy!

You monster... :cry:

[frau kaleun]

You monster... :cry:

They never learn. :O:

[Spike88]

He only says that because he wants to get into Valhalla when he croaks. :P



Nope, but you can find a nice one here:

http://tinyurl.com/fraukaleun

Enjoy!

Huh, Thought there was. But it might've been someone else, Or I'm just imagining it.

[HunterICX]

Nope, but you can find a nice one here:

http://tinyurl.com/fraukaleun

Enjoy!

I used to be an atractive human beeing but then I started to play Skyrim...

HunterICX

[Arclight]

I used to be a Skyrim player like you, but then I took a liposuction to the belly.

[Red October1984]

He only says that because he wants to get into Valhalla when he croaks. :P



Nope, but you can find a nice one here:

http://tinyurl.com/fraukaleun

Enjoy!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcqfuyywRS1qg898o.gif

You evil...evil woman.

[Stealhead]

He only says that because he wants to get into Valhalla when he croaks. :P



Nope, but you can find a nice one here:

http://tinyurl.com/fraukaleun

Enjoy!

Well I have never been a solider technically though if I did not perform the duty that I did in the military the soldiers that do fight would not have been able to very effectively so that counts for something.As a kid I also used to squish the solider ants in ant mounds that counts for something that was only if they failed to defeat a threat that I tossed into the mound like a Wolf Spider.

[Oberon]

if they failed to defeat a threat that I tossed into the mound like a Wolf Spider.

Early form of Command and Conquer. :yep:

[frau kaleun]

Hmm... you know, now that I think about it, I did post a picture of myself here at Subsim once. It was not in any of the "introduce yourself" threads, or "share your pictures" threads, or anything like that. Given the context in which it was posted, I doubt that it ever occurred to anyone to wonder if I was the person in the picture. At any rate, no one ever commented on the possibility of such a thing. :D

[Skybird]

It was not that complicated, Frau. It just was that nobody of us could imagine that... something like on that picture could exist for real. We thought it was a fake, or some deleted material from a John Carpenter movie.

:O:

[Spike88]

Hmm... you know, now that I think about it, I did post a picture of myself here at Subsim once. It was not in any of the "introduce yourself" threads, or "share your pictures" threads, or anything like that. Given the context in which it was posted, I doubt that it ever occurred to anyone to wonder if I was the person in the picture. At any rate, no one ever commented on the possibility of such a thing. :D


So it's not all in my head.

[frau kaleun]

So it's not all in my head.

Well, if you're thinking that you remember me posting a picture of myself and saying "oh hey guys this is me" then, yes, it's all in your head. :O:

It was just a picture that was posted in response to something and I happened to be in the picture, but that fact was completely irrelevant and thus never mentioned.

I only just thought of it because I was looking for another picture on my hard drive and scrolling through thumbnails of miscellaneous stuff and happened to see that one and remembered that I had actually posted a picture of myself once, only nobody knew that's what it was.

So my statement that I had never posted a picture of myself on Subsim was damn dirty lie, and Talos help me but I didn't want that on my conscience. :haha:

[Spike88]

Well, if you're thinking that you remember me posting a picture of myself and saying "oh hey guys this is me" then, yes, it's all in your head. :O:

It was just a picture that was posted in response to something and I happened to be in the picture, but that fact was completely irrelevant and thus never mentioned.

I only just thought of it because I was looking for another picture on my hard drive and scrolling through thumbnails of miscellaneous stuff and happened to see that one and remembered that I had actually posted a picture of myself once, only nobody knew that's what it was.

So my statement that I had never posted a picture of myself on Subsim was damn dirty lie, and Talos help me but I didn't want that on my conscience. :haha:

I don't think you precisely said " Hey guys it's me." I think your post was talking about home defense. All I can remember from the picture was that there was a yellow tinge to it.

[frau kaleun]

I don't think you precisely said " Hey guys it's me." I think your post was talking about home defense. All I can remember from the picture was that there was a yellow tinge to it. I think your post was talking about home defense.

Nope, not me. Must've been somebody else's post you're thinking of.

[Red October1984]

Well, if you're thinking that you remember me posting a picture of myself and saying "oh hey guys this is me" then, yes, it's all in your head. :O:

It was just a picture that was posted in response to something and I happened to be in the picture, but that fact was completely irrelevant and thus never mentioned.

I only just thought of it because I was looking for another picture on my hard drive and scrolling through thumbnails of miscellaneous stuff and happened to see that one and remembered that I had actually posted a picture of myself once, only nobody knew that's what it was.

So my statement that I had never posted a picture of myself on Subsim was damn dirty lie, and Talos help me but I didn't want that on my conscience. :haha:


LINK! LINK! LINK! LINK! :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

LINK! LINK! LINK! LINK! :O:

See, this is why women hate internet forums. Let's chill out, okay?

[Red October1984]

See, this is why women hate internet forums. Let's chill out, okay?

I wasn't serious... :salute: In case you didn't know, I seem to like to goof off and joke around.

:arrgh!: What about you Tak? Have you posted a picture of yourself?

[Takeda Shingen]

I wasn't serious... :salute: In case you didn't know, I seem to like to goof off and joke around.

:arrgh!: What about you Tak? Have you posted a picture of yourself?

Do you work for a data collection agency or something? What is it with you and pictures of people?

Anyway, Skyrim.....

[Spike88]

Do you work for a data collection agency or something? What is it with you and pictures of people?

Anyway, Skyrim.....

He works for Big Brother, or Aliens.

Anyways, all the DLC will be released on my console in the near future, but as I said earlier, I'll probably wait for people to get it first in case it's a buggy mess like the original game was. If anything I will probably be building a gaming computer soon(I have had a Cool Master HAF 932 full tower for about two years without putting anything in it :har:). But I doubt I'd buy Skyrim for full price since I already own it, and I'm still disappointed in Bethesda forwhat they did to PS3 users.

Edit: Also, my PS3 is out for repair, so I may not have it for 1-3 weeks.

[Red October1984]

He works for Big Brother, or Aliens

Aliens. That's totally who it was.

Big Brother? No...that's stupid.

I work for the guys from Person Of Interest...or The Campus from Clancy's books.

That's who I work for.

[BossMark]

So is Dragonborn worth £14 of my hard earned cash after reading about it, it seems to me that it is.

[Takeda Shingen]

So is Dragonborn worth £14 of my hard earned cash after reading about it, it seems to me that it is.

It really is. The DLC is roughly the size of Shivering Isles in terms of both geographic area and volume of content.

[Stealhead]

I am just starting off on the Dragonborn quest line I would say that it is worth the money from what I have seen so far.

[Oberon]

That's who I work for.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/johngaudiosi/files/2013/01/person_of_interest_michael_emerson_jim_caviezel_th ree.jpg

RedOctober1984 knows what you're thinking, what you're doing, where you live.

[Stealhead]

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/johngaudiosi/files/2013/01/person_of_interest_michael_emerson_jim_caviezel_th ree.jpg

RedOctober1984 knows what you're thinking, what you're doing, where you live.

He also spends an hour getting his Mohawk/unicorn horn shaped with hair gel.

[Oberon]

He also spends an hour getting his Mohawk/unicorn horn shaped with hair gel.

As supplied by the Darma Initiative. :yep:

[Red October1984]

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/johngaudiosi/files/2013/01/person_of_interest_michael_emerson_jim_caviezel_th ree.jpg

RedOctober1984 knows what you're thinking, what you're doing, where you live.

Yes...

Damn...you're on to me...

Time to change jobs...maybe the CIA or NSA want me...

[Skybird]

I learned that the main quest of Dragonborn cannot be entered as long as the main quest of Skyrim has not been played.

A lovely major design fault.

I hate the main quest in Skyrim. I do not plan to redo it. Which means DB is only the various quests it offers beside the main quest. Good news is: no dragons.

Still: major design fault, imo. I assume most people playing a new character after some time do not necessarily complete the main quest once again, or do not like the outlook to do so.

(Without the Skyrim main quest played, you cannot enter the temple at the centre of the island, and do not get several vital communication options with people. I learned that from Google after I started to search for info on it, because I did not get into the main quest. A definite interest dropper, imo.)

[Takeda Shingen]

I learned that the main quest of Dragonborn cannot be entered as long as the main quest of Skyrim has not been played.

Not true. You only must complete up to The Way of the Voice to trigger the Dragonborn main quest. Meet with the Greybeards for the first time and you can proceed.

[Stealhead]

Yeah that is wrong in my current play though I have only completed up to the first meeting with the Grey Beards and received the "The Horn of Jurgen Windcaller" quest none the less two cultists accosted me which is the start of the Dragonborn quest the Google information is incorrect.

Having to play up to that point of the main quest is not a big issue that takes all of 30~40 minutes at most if you move with a purpose.Also it is somewhat logical as well the DLC name is a bit self explanatory...you have to be a confirmed dragonborn to attract the cultists attention.You could also simply use the console and "complete" the sections of main quest in order to trigger the cultists.

[Skybird]

Yeah that is wrong in my current play though I have only completed up to the first meeting with the Grey Beards and received the "The Horn of Jurgen Windcaller" quest none the less two cultists accosted me which is the start of the Dragonborn quest the Google information is incorrect.

Having to play up to that point of the main quest is not a big issue that takes all of 30~40 minutes at most if you move with a purpose.Also it is somewhat logical as well the DLC name is a bit self explanatory...you have to be a confirmed dragonborn to attract the cultists attention.You could also simply use the console and "complete" the sections of main quest in order to trigger the cultists.

Is that so. Well. But by embarking on the main quest in Skyrim, I then trigger the dragon plague in Skyrim again, right, turning it all into that boring hack-'n-slay. The dragon fights look nice, but they play terribly boring and very soon became a nerve-killer in my book.

Think I fold over all that and just fold over the DB main quest as well. So far, ALL main quests in Bethesda games have been disappointing anyway: Oblivion, Fallout 3, Skyrim. No big loss.

[Stealhead]

I think there is a mod that gets rid of the dragons at least the randomly spawning ones.

I have a few mods running and it seems that one of them has had some effect on the random dragon battles as they are not spamy for me while they once where before I modded any.I am thinking that the Unofficial Skyrim patch might reduce the spamage of dragons that is the only mod that I have that effects spawns that I am aware of.

Here is a specific mod that reduces them cant say how it works I have not tried it myself: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/16724

The most annoying random Skyrim creature spawn I have seen myself was a giant that walked up to Lakeview Manor right after I had just purchased 3 chickens and a cow the giant smashed all of my chickens and nearly squished my poor cow.That giant walked a long way just to kill my poor hens.I have never seen a cow move so quickly before she was inspired by preservation I recon.

[Cybermat47]

I don't play this game, but if I ever start, I'm definitely going to get this mod...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kL3jbyKeY4

:haha:

[Red October1984]

I don't play this game...

What! :o :nope: :nope: :nope:

I hope I read that wrong....

One does not simply "not play Skyrim"

You must play Skyrim. Even without a Halo mod...you will love it. K? :arrgh!:

[Skybird]

I think there is a mod that gets rid of the dragons at least the randomly spawning ones.

I have a few mods running and it seems that one of them has had some effect on the random dragon battles as they are not spamy for me while they once where before I modded any.I am thinking that the Unofficial Skyrim patch might reduce the spamage of dragons that is the only mod that I have that effects spawns that I am aware of.

Here is a specific mod that reduces them cant say how it works I have not tried it myself: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/16724

The most annoying random Skyrim creature spawn I have seen myself was a giant that walked up to Lakeview Manor right after I had just purchased 3 chickens and a cow the giant smashed all of my chickens and nearly squished my poor cow.That giant walked a long way just to kill my poor hens.I have never seen a cow move so quickly before she was inspired by preservation I recon.
That'S a golden tip, if that mod functions as advertised. Thank you! I definitely will try it.

Giants at Lakeview Manor are an endangered species over here. My gang loves them to be around, for always having fresh spread on the bread during evening meal. Processing giants is like opening a tetrapack, that fast they are at it. :D

Kidnapping my wife Mjoll the bandits also tried just once. I mean they tried it several times, but usually I just collect their remains in my garden. :sunny: When Mjoll says she does not feel like wanting to make a trip today, then she means it, and Aela and the housecarl are there, too.

Plus the raging bull. :haha:

And the occasional Draugrs - I strongly assume they already get delivered in that flat-laying state. Since my housecarl started to patrol the Manor, I never have seen one Draugr near the house standing on his own feet.

[BossMark]

It really is. The DLC is roughly the size of Shivering Isles in terms of both geographic area and volume of content.
OK now I shall have this next pay day :yep:

[Takeda Shingen]

That'S a golden tip, if that mod functions as advertised. Thank you! I definitely will try it.

Giants at Lakeview Manor are an endangered species over here. My gang loves them to be around, for always having fresh spread on the bread during evening meal. Processing giants is like opening a tetrapack, that fast they are at it. :D

Kidnapping my wife Mjoll the bandits also tried just once. I mean they tried it several times, but usually I just collect their remains in my garden. :sunny: When Mjoll says she does not feel like wanting to make a trip today, then she means it, and Aela and the housecarl are there, too.

Plus the raging bull. :haha:

And the occasional Draugrs - I strongly assume they already get delivered in that flat-laying state. Since my housecarl started to patrol the Manor, I never have seen one Draugr near the house standing on his own feet.

I've never seen draugr at Lakeview, but I do get the occasional giant. While my houscarl and I are able to bring it down easily, it always seems to kill at least one chicken before we can. The chickens don't respawn and there isn't the option to replace them, so before long I've got 3 dead chickens. Pisses me off like nobody's business. I also have no idea why it goes after the chickens. It never seems to be interested in the cow, so once the chickens are dead it just stands there until attacked.

OK now I shall have this next pay day :yep:

You won't regret it. :up:

[Stealhead]

What! :o :nope: :nope: :nope:

I hope I read that wrong....

One does not simply "not play Skyrim"

You must play Skyrim. Even without a Halo mod...you will love it. K? :arrgh!:

That would depend a person that was not a particular fan of RPGs and fantasy type games might not like Skyrim very much.

With any Bethesda RPG possessing a good imagination would also be helpful as Bethesda story lines are average at best.Bethesda game are all about the openness of the worlds they create for some people this is enjoyable for others it might be boring because you have to fill that world yourself.I would honestly not like Skyrim very much if I had to play it on a console and be unable to mod it.I would play it then only maybe for one complete play through.

Same goes with other Beth games like FO3,FONV,and Oblivion.The mods that playing these games on PC adds a massive amount to their re-playabilty.

[Red October1984]

That would depend a person that was not a particular fan of RPGs and fantasy type games might not like Skyrim very much.

With any Bethesda RPG possessing a good imagination would also be helpful as Bethesda story lines are average at best.Bethesda game are all about the openness of the worlds they create for some people this is enjoyable for others it might be boring because you have to fill that world yourself.I would honestly not like Skyrim very much if I had to play it on a console and be unable to mod it.I would play it then only maybe for one complete play through.

Same goes with other Beth games like FO3,FONV,and Oblivion.The mods that playing these games on PC adds a massive amount to their re-playabilty.

I never was a big RPG person until I discovered Morrowind. I still don't play many RPG's.

I have all the TES games, FO3, FONV, Dead Island, and I played Pokemon as a youngster. That's the limit of my RPG Gaming.

[Stealhead]

I never was a big RPG person until I discovered Morrowind. I still don't play many RPG's.

I have all the TES games, FO3, FONV, Dead Island, and I played Pokemon as a youngster. That's the limit of my RPG Gaming.

That is fine but what you like is your opinion simply because you like something does not mean that everyone else will.

If you do not play many RPGs then you cant really formulate a solid opinion of what makes a good RPG when you only have experience with basically one formula (the one that Bethesda uses and has choose to simplify with each game).

Skyrim though a decent game in general its skill development system is overly simplified and uninteresting you are forced to create the in depth elements of your character on your own and imagine that your a ranger or a battle mage because the game itself will never describe you as such.

[Red October1984]

That is fine but what you like is your opinion simply because you like something does not mean that everyone else will.

If you do not play many RPGs then you cant really formulate a solid opinion of what makes a good RPG when you only have experience with basically one formula (the one that Bethesda uses and has choose to simplify with each game).

Skyrim though a decent game in general its skill development system is overly simplified and uninteresting you are forced to create the in depth elements of your character on your own and imagine that your a ranger or a battle mage because the game itself will never describe you as such.

Isn't that what makes it fun? Heck, I don't care if the game calls me an idiot.

I can still be whatever I want to while playing it.

I haven't heard of anyone who has played Skyrim and then not liked it.

[Skybird]

"Kopfkino".

Means as much as: cinema/movies inside the head.

[Stealhead]

"Kopfkino".

Means as much as: cinema/movies inside the head.

You understand exactly what I am saying.You should not have to completely imagine the majority of your character's story in an RPG.
Yes you should to some extent with the nature of what an RPG is. Skyrim has you do all of this yourself.When it should be the other way around an RPG should have a very intriguing story and depth and then you add your own Kopfkino on top of it.

@RedOctober I am not trying to tell you that Skyrim is a bad I am saying as an RPG it should on its own be much better than it is it could soar on its own but it does not.

Where does Skyrim call you an idiot?

[Red October1984]

Where does Skyrim call you an idiot?

I'm sure there's an NPC somewhere that says that.

I added that for "fluff" or extra stuff to add to a post.

And no matter what, I like to imagine parts of my character in any game.

Even in CoD....

Even in Flight Sims....

It doesn't matter the game, I still imagine parts of my character. I'm just used to doing that so I have no problem with it in RPGs.

[reignofdeath]

You understand exactly what I am saying.You should not have to completely imagine the majority of your character's story in an RPG.
Yes you should to some extent with the nature of what an RPG is. Skyrim has you do all of this yourself.When it should be the other way around an RPG should have a very intriguing story and depth and then you add your own Kopfkino on top of it.

@RedOctober I am not trying to tell you that Skyrim is a bad I am saying as an RPG it should on its own be much better than it is it could soar on its own but it does not.

Where does Skyrim call you an idiot?

Although I agree with this, I do believe the intention of not "describing you" is to not put a "Label" on you and therefore pigeonhole (correct use of the term?) into a certain class. I enjoy it personally, I made a character that I wanted to be as non violent as possible and had him hunt animals and skin them to make Septims, quite fun actually. Especially when you make a killer shot on deer or something of the sort. I find hunting fun due to the variety of land.

[Skybird]

You understand exactly what I am saying.You should not have to completely imagine the majority of your character's story in an RPG.
Yes you should to some extent with the nature of what an RPG is. Skyrim has you do all of this yourself.When it should be the other way around an RPG should have a very intriguing story and depth and then you add your own Kopfkino on top of it.

I fear you got it completely wrong what I meant. Skyrim, or any game or sim, triggers the movie in my head that I want to see. I buy the ticket. And what I put into it, decides what I get out of it. When I read a book, it triggers a "Kopfkino", a movie in my head that I cut and film myself - I interpret how this or that character look in my fantasy, and basing on the pieces the book gives me, i decide how his/her voice sound and what the motives for acting are. It is not a movie on a screen that I follow and that gives me all that - Kopfkino means I have to do the job myself, to varying degrees. A book is most free in leaving the authoring of the details to your imagination, a film is the most stringent and leaves you the smallest freedom to your imagination, you get given all looks and sounds. A computer game is somewhere in between the two. A text adventure leaves much to your imagination, a graphical adventure like Skyrim gives you more standards that you must include in your Kopfkino.

The dispute of whether Bethesda'S games are role-playing games or not, is many, many years old. I always found it to be completely pointless and irrelevant. You like the games, you play them. You like them not, you must not play them then. What your fantasy invests into the game, is what the game returns to you in immersion and entertainment value. I have plenty of imagination and fantasy, I always had. I love Bethesda'S open world role playing games, therefore. For the same reason I love to play The Hunter currently (currently the most played game over here, literally every late evening I play two hours at it)): I enter a different world, and my mind gets lost in it. I find this mini holiday most relaxing and entertaining. That is no escapism. Escapism it is if you enter - and do not want to find the way back into this world, and do not want to return from the fantasy world again. When your "real" life starts to suffer from your fantasy life, no matter whether book, film or game based - then it is escapism.

But its all just the movie playing inside my head. Kopfkino.

[Takeda Shingen]

The dispute of whether Bethesda'S games are role-playing games or not, is many, many years old. I always found it to be completely pointless and irrelevant. You like the games, you play them. You like them not, you must not play them then. What your fantasy invests into the game, is what the game returns to you in immersion and entertainment value. I have plenty of imagination and fantasy, I always had. I love Bethesda'S open world role playing games, therefore. For the same reason I love to play The Hunter currently (currently the most played game over here, literally every late evening I play two hours at it)): I enter a different world, and my mind gets lost in it. I find this mini holiday most relaxing and entertaining. That is no escapism. Escapism it is if you enter - and do not want to find the way back into this world, and do not want to return from the fantasy world again. When your "real" life starts to suffer from your fantasy life, no matter whether book, film or game based - then it is escapism.

But its all just the movie playing inside my head. Kopfkino.

I agree with this completely. Bethesda's RPGs in general are about your character and it's interaction with the world. The story is what you make it, the rest is simply backdrop. In that sense, it is a roleplaying game in the purest form. You are playing the role that you made for yourself in the manner that suits you best. You do what you want when you want in nearly complete freedom. Most other RPGs are not about that. You can build your character's stats. You may even have some ability to roam freely and tackle things as you see fit, but you are still largely forced down the path that the game sets out for you; much like playing a movie. Essentially, you do what he game tells you to when it tells you to do it, and that even includes breaks in the story that do permit some limited free roaming and side questing. In those cases the game is saying "grind levels now and come back." Some people do like that, and place importance on 'story'. As for me, I like to play the game the way I see fit, which is why Bethesda is my all-time favorite RPG publisher.

[Red October1984]

I fear you got it completely wrong what I meant. Skyrim, or any game or sim, triggers the movie in my head that I want to see. I buy the ticket. And what I put into it, decides what I get out of it. When I read a book, it triggers a "Kopfkino", a movie in my head that I cut and film myself - I interpret how this or that character look in my fantasy, and basing on the pieces the book gives me, i decide how his/her voice sound and what the motives for acting are. It is not a movie on a screen that I follow and that gives me all that - Kopfkino means I have to do the job myself, to varying degrees. A book is most free in leaving the authoring of the details to your imagination, a film is the most stringent and leaves you the smallest freedom to your imagination, you get given all looks and sounds. A computer game is somewhere in between the two. A text adventure leaves much to your imagination, a graphical adventure like Skyrim gives you more standards that you must include in your Kopfkino.

The dispute of whether Bethesda'S games are role-playing games or not, is many, many years old. I always found it to be completely pointless and irrelevant. You like the games, you play them. You like them not, you must not play them then. What your fantasy invests into the game, is what the game returns to you in immersion and entertainment value. I have plenty of imagination and fantasy, I always had. I love Bethesda'S open world role playing games, therefore. For the same reason I love to play The Hunter currently (currently the most played game over here, literally every late evening I play two hours at it)): I enter a different world, and my mind gets lost in it. I find this mini holiday most relaxing and entertaining. That is no escapism. Escapism it is if you enter - and do not want to find the way back into this world, and do not want to return from the fantasy world again. When your "real" life starts to suffer from your fantasy life, no matter whether book, film or game based - then it is escapism.

But its all just the movie playing inside my head. Kopfkino.


Good post. That's exactly how it is for me. I love "escaping" to another world. That's one reason I love Sims so much. I can live a life that isn't available to me at the moment. I can be a Ship Captain in World War 2, I can fly B-24's over Germany, I can be a soldier fighting on the ground to save the local population from an oppressive government, or I can be the leader of a country .

The possibilities are endless... :arrgh!:

[Stealhead]

Well color me confused I do not understand why a lot of you say how you dislike the story and quest in Skyrim and other Bethesda games.:hmmm:

If the story and plot is uninteresting and you are forced to "Kopfkino" everything yourself to me that signifies to some extent a failed attempt at an RPG from a certain view.

RPGs are all based on the old time RPG where people sat and played together and rolled die and created their character and one person acted as the narrator.
In this way you had a developed story which drew you in and then this in turn fueled your "Kopfkino".

What I was saying about Skyrim and other Beth RPGs is that the narrator sucks.

I know exactly what "Kopfkino" means imagination in your mind inspired by something you read or see but the key is a source inspires your "Kopfkino". If you read a book you see it in your mind("Kopfkino" I always felt people that disliked reading literature had poor "Kopfkino").

I guess a good example of what i am trying to say can be described with the Fallout series.I played the original two games long ago when they where released in the late 1990's.To me those games where well done RPGs because you had interesting story and plot and they stood out on their own and that great story also fueled at least my "Kopfkino" a great deal.A great story should fuel "Kopfkino" if you sit and play something and have a weak story and have to use your "Kopfkino" 100% then in my eyes that,movie,story or game failed at its goal in the end.

Great story does not = hand holding and limitation on what you can do mind you.

[Takeda Shingen]

Well color me confused I do not understand why a lot of you say how you dislike the story and quest in Skyrim and other Bethesda games.:hmmm:

If the story and plot is uninteresting and you are forced to "Kopfkino" everything yourself to me that signifies to some extent a failed attempt at an RPG from a certain view.

RPGs are all based on the old time RPG where people sat and played together and rolled die and created their character and one person acted as the narrator.
In this way you had a developed story which drew you in and then this in turn fueled your "Kopfkino".

What I was saying about Skyrim and other Beth RPGs is that the narrator sucks.

I know exactly what "Kopfkino" means imagination in your mind inspired by something you read or see but the key is a source inspires your "Kopfkino". If you read a book you see it in your mind("Kopfkino" I always felt people that disliked reading literature had poor "Kopfkino").

I guess a good example of what i am trying to say can be described with the Fallout series.I played the original two games long ago when they where released in the late 1990's.To me those games where well done RPGs because you had interesting story and plot and they stood out on their own and that great story also fueled at least my "Kopfkino" a great deal.A great story should fuel "Kopfkino" if you sit and play something and have a weak story and have to use your "Kopfkino" 100% then in my eyes that,movie,story or game failed at its goal in the end.

You are the narrator in this sort of game. As you said, Bethesda RPGs are a throwback to the D&D pen and paper games. The book gave you the framework, but you made the game. What happened with video RPGs is that the player gradually became disconnected with his role as director of the game. Instead, you got a roller coaster featuring your character. You could still alter your characters attributes and it would be fun, but you were stuck on that track; going up and down as the game dictated. Fallout is a great example of that. You can go about freely, but the clock is always ticking, limiting what you can do and when you can do it. The game ends at the end, and so does your experiecne in that world.

Look at what Skybird said about his latest playthrough. He has ignored the main questline. In his world, the narrator has that the attack on Helgen was a one-time occurance. His character is not dragonborn; rather just an ordinary citizen of Tamriel plying a trade. If that isn't old school narration, I don't know what is.

What I am saying is that games like TES series are more true to the classical RPG than games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age, which tend to feature the new-style story-driven RPG.

[Red October1984]

Well color me confused I do not understand why a lot of you say how you dislike the story and quest in Skyrim and other Bethesda games.:hmmm:

If the story and plot is uninteresting and you are forced to "Kopfkino" everything yourself to me that signifies to some extent a failed attempt at an RPG from a certain view.

RPGs are all based on the old time RPG where people sat and played together and rolled die and created their character and one person acted as the narrator.
In this way you had a developed story which drew you in and then this in turn fueled your "Kopfkino".

What I was saying about Skyrim and other Beth RPGs is that the narrator sucks.

I know exactly what "Kopfkino" means imagination in your mind inspired by something you read or see but the key is a source inspires your "Kopfkino". If you read a book you see it in your mind("Kopfkino" I always felt people that disliked reading literature had poor "Kopfkino").

I guess a good example of what i am trying to say can be described with the Fallout series.I played the original two games long ago when they where released in the late 1990's.To me those games where well done RPGs because you had interesting story and plot and they stood out on their own and that great story also fueled at least my "Kopfkino" a great deal.A great story should fuel "Kopfkino" if you sit and play something and have a weak story and have to use your "Kopfkino" 100% then in my eyes that,movie,story or game failed at its goal in the end.

Great story does not = hand holding and limitation on what you can do mind you.

I like the storyline...I just like to add my own little details in as I go along...and I've got to do something once i'm done with that storyline don't I?

[Stealhead]

I like the storyline...I just like to add my own little details in as I go along...and I've got to do something once i'm done with that storyline don't I?

You are not understanding me if you read my post and give that answer.I am just posting my opinion not trying to change yours.(except for the part where you said that anyone can play Skyrim and like it.)

[Red October1984]

You are not understanding me if you read my post and give that answer.I am just posting my opinion not trying to change yours.(except for the part where you said that anyone can play Skyrim and like it.)

Fine. I don't even care. :hmph:


:O: Just kidding. I will say that I like imagining parts of all the games I play. I haven't heard of anyone not liking Skyrim and you people are better at arguing than me.

On to something else...

Does anybody know what the next Bethesda RPG will be?

[Raptor1]

Does anybody know what the next Bethesda RPG will be?

The Elder Scrolls Online, if that counts. Besides that, they haven't announced anything yet but I'm betting on Fallout 4.

[Takeda Shingen]

Does anybody know what the next Bethesda RPG will be?

Fallout 4.

[Red October1984]

The Elder Scrolls Online, if that counts. Besides that, they haven't announced anything yet but I'm betting on Fallout 4.

Online shouldn't count. :hmph:

I hope they do a Fallout 4...but last I checked there wasn't even any speculation.

Last time I checked was also early last year IIRC...I might look into it.

[Takeda Shingen]

I hope they do a Fallout 4...but last I checked there wasn't even any speculation.

There's plenty of speculation.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/49436/fallout-3-voice-actor-on-fallout-4-tease-i-dont-think-bethesda-anticipated-it-would-explode-like-this/

http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/04/fallout-4-rumours-continue-bethesda-hiring-for-next-gen-game-3379914/

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/fallout-vegas-2-fallout-4-obsidian-ready/

http://www.examiner.com/article/fallout-4-or-fallout-new-vegas-2-development-discussed-by-obsidian

[Skybird]

Well color me confused I do not understand why a lot of you say how you dislike the story and quest in Skyrim and other Bethesda games.:hmmm:

Each of their games has one main quest, however, the world is much more than that and offers many - very many - side-quests, and the ability to play what you want and like you want, not focussing on quests at all. The main quests are just one part of the package. And a very small part only it is. In Skyrim for exmaple I hjave played for some longer time as "trapper" exclusively, and miner. I hunt, and sometimes dug ore, and left it to that pretty much. The main argument in favour of Bethesda is that they give you a beautifully created world with interacting elements in it. What you do in this world, is totally up to you.


If the story and plot is uninteresting and you are forced to "Kopfkino" everything yourself to me that signifies to some extent a failed attempt at an RPG from a certain view.
The world the game offers, is much more than just the main quest. The main quest is set in the world, not the other way around. The freedom of action is what attracts players. You can everything, but you must nothing. Be a thief. A hunter. a city-inhabitant. A lonesome trapper. A murderer. A sword swinger. A hiding sneaker. An archer. A mage of any of the schools, or several of them. Or some bits of all. An outlaw. A paladin. Side with the one faction, or the other, or a third. It's up to you, and how you interpret the role.

Anyhow, if you do not like Skyrim or Oblivion - then simply don't play it! ;) Heck, to me even The Hunter is kind of a role playing game, because in real life I do not hunt at all. Even a racing simulation with any kind of a competition inbuilt, a trace series or a league, is a RPG. Flying online for a virtual airline includes RPG elements. I think the term means much more than the relatively tight conception of yours. You can see it that way, that is okay, since it is your taste. Just when you want others to necessarily agree with your idea - then you risk that sooner or later some people get a little bit upset. Not necessary that is! You play yours, I play mine, they play theirs. Whether the one calls the others' game this or that, is unimportant.

[Stealhead]

Anyway it seems there is some confusion here as some seem to think that I do not like Skyrim this is not the case I would not do something in my free time that I dislike.:doh:

I was trying to express my view which is that most Bethesda games though overall they are good games they in my opinion have a weakness in how they come across story wise this would be a serious flaw if they lacked the open world features that they also happen to possess.I am not saying that they should hem you in like Dragonage and Mass Effect do.

I like the open worldness(made up word) and not being forced to follow main quest lines I find nothing wrong with this.It seems to me that the main quests always seem to lacking it does not seem to flow well with the open world element I suppose many players would rather free roam purely to me this is a failing on a certain level.


In regards to the next RPG by Bethesda it is going to be Fallout 4 (or some Fallout) I think that their rights to the franchise runs out pretty soon so they are not going to put the money they spent buying those rights and not make another Fallout.Hopefully they will have Obsidian work on the next Fallout I thought that New Vegas had a much better story than FO3.

@ RedOctober trust me there are people that would not play Skyrim or any RPG you are forgetting that this is pretty much a geek/nerd forum I bet if you polled around you would find several members even here that do not like Skyrim or any RPG for that matter.Dose everyone like NASCAR racing or MY Little Pony? No they don't.

[Takeda Shingen]

In regards to the next RPG by Bethesda it is going to be Fallout 4 (or some Fallout) I think that their rights to the franchise runs out pretty soon so they are not going to put the money they spent buying those rights and not make another Fallout.Hopefully they will have Obsidian work on the next Fallout I thought that New Vegas had a much better story than FO3.

Actually, as of this past December Bethesda singularly owns the rights to produce Fallout titles. Interplay's rights to sell the series ends on December 31st of this year. So, those rights will not expire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(series)#IP_lawsuits

EDIT: Oops. Looks like it was actually January 2012:

http://www.pixlbit.com/news/1689/bethesda_wins_lawsuit_over_fallout

[Stealhead]

So they have it for long haul then.I read on that Wiki page that one of the voice actors from New Vegas Tweeted that "Three Dog was going to make a return soon.That is good news for some and bad news for others seems people either loved or hated Three Dog.Hopefully Obsidian gets to have hand in the games again.

I have a store copy of the Fallout Trilogy that Interplay sold guess the money went to pay lawyers.

The related story about the suit that was lost against the creators of Minecraft over the term "Scrolls" seems a little harsh they deserved to loose that one.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm actually happy about it. And while I do share in the hope that Obsidian will continue to be involved I can't deny that Bethesda, having resurrected the series, giving it mass appeal and momentum and bringing it into the modern 3-D environment, has probably been the best thing that has happened to Fallout since the adoption of the SPECIAL system.

[Red October1984]

I'm actually happy about it. And while I do share in the hope that Obsidian will continue to be involved I can't deny that Bethesda, having resurrected the series, giving it mass appeal and momentum and bringing it into the modern 3-D environment, has probably been the best thing that has happened to Fallout since the adoption of the SPECIAL system.

You can't go wrong with Bethesda. They've done some outstanding work in the past ten years.

[Stealhead]

I'm actually happy about it. And while I do share in the hope that Obsidian will continue to be involved I can't deny that Bethesda, having resurrected the series, giving it mass appeal and momentum and bringing it into the modern 3-D environment, has probably been the best thing that has happened to Fallout since the adoption of the SPECIAL system.

I did not say that I was displeased only that Obsidian did a better job with the story than FO3. I a massive amount of time in both FO3 and FONV about 362 in NV and FO3 is not Steam based so I have no idea but it has to be double that of NV simply because I have it so long.I have over 200 hours Skyrim as well I am not saying that Bethesda makes made games by any means.

I am a bit surprised by the fan boyish reaction I have received simply because of what I posted which never was meant to have an attacking tone to it.Well lesson learned do not say what you think in this thread.

[Red October1984]

I am a bit surprised by the fan boyish reaction I have received simply because of what I posted which never was meant to have an attacking tone to it.Well lesson learned do not say what you think in this thread.

I try to not say what I think but sometimes it just slips out. I try and keep my most biased opinions off of an internet forum...I think it's just better to keep an open mind...

That doesn't keep me from thinking though. :arrgh!:

[Takeda Shingen]

I did not say that I was displeased only that Obsidian did a better job with the story than FO3. I a massive amount of time in both FO3 and FONV about 362 in NV and FO3 is not Steam based so I have no idea but it has to be double that of NV simply because I have it so long.I have over 200 hours Skyrim as well I am not saying that Bethesda makes made games by any means.

I am a bit surprised by the fan boyish reaction I have received simply because of what I posted which never was meant to have an attacking tone to it.Well lesson learned do not say what you think in this thread.

I think that you are misreading my post as defensive. All I was referring to was that there are communities (No Mutants Allowed, for example) that are dismayed by the news. They consider the style from the first two Fallouts as the 'true' Fallout. Others consider the series to have really hit it's stride with Fallout 3. As such, there is a schism in the Fallout community, and Bethesda's work in the later series is considered rather controversial.

Both have their merits. It is certainly true that the first two games were more 'Fallout'. It is also true that Bethesda games have a fair share of bugs. However, those same people tend to gloss over the bugs and glitches in the first two games, particularly Fallout 2. I agree that the original team wrote better stories. However, I also acknowledge that Bethesda makes, for the most part, better games. However one feels about it, it cannot be ignored that Fallout was all but dead after Black Isle went under, and that without Bethesda would have likely stayed that way.

That's all I was addressing. Perhaps I should have made it more clear that I was not referring to you. Allow me to correct that:

I am in no way referring to you or and view of your's whether implied or factual. My statements are in reference to the overall gaming community and do not in any way represent an appraisal or indictment of any views that you may or may not hold. The above content represented only an attempt to make neutral conversation corresponding to the topic at hand. Any and all perception of slight is purely coincidental and unintended.

[Krauter]

Just wondering, but which do you guys prefer? The NMM or just using Steam Workshop? Currently I've been mix and matching both primarily relying on Steam, however I just went to update a few files from Nexus manually and I think I might've screwed something up so I'm considering either deleting all of my Nexus mods and using only Steam, or re-downloading and installing everything using NMM and BOSS (I think it's called that).

Just looking for some help with this as I've been a little wary about using the Nexus Mod Manager.

[frau kaleun]

I don't use Steam Workshop or NMM. I download all mods manually from Nexus, investigate the file structure (and look at what's included in any .bsa files if necessary), and then set them all up to work with JSGME. I use the Data Files thingy in the Steam launcher to set up the load order.

Reason: I know what JSGME does and how it does it, and I like to maintain full control over what goes into my game folder. I downloaded NMM at one point and had a look at it but took a pass, I know too many people who've had problems using it, things going haywire when they try to uninstall something and it doesn't do it properly.

Steam Workshop appears to allow for even less control over what goes into my game folder, so there's no way I'd use that either.

[Takeda Shingen]

I don't use Steam Workshop or NMM. I download all mods manually from Nexus, investigate the file structure (and look at what's included in any .bsa files if necessary), and then set them all up to work with JSGME. I use the Data Files thingy in the Steam launcher to set up the load order.

Reason: I know what JSGME does and how it does it, and I like to maintain full control over what goes into my game folder. I downloaded NMM at one point and had a look at it but took a pass, I know too many people who've had problems using it, things going haywire when they try to uninstall something and it doesn't do it properly.

Steam Workshop appears to allow for even less control over what goes into my game folder, so there's no way I'd use that either.

I don't use nearly as many mods as frau does, but I do exactly the same thing, and have done so for Oblivion, F3, New Vegas and now Skyrim. That system works extremely well for me. As always, remember to backup your vanilla files if an overwrite is required. Some of the heftier mods do that.

[Krauter]

My only problem is accidentally messing up the files. It's been a while since I've used JGSME and I always worry about updating files and misplacing things. I like how with Steam and NMM once there is an update it does it automatically.

[Red October1984]

My only problem is accidentally messing up the files. It's been a while since I've used JGSME and I always worry about updating files and misplacing things. I like how with Steam and NMM once there is an update it does it automatically.

You can just do what I do when I break a game.

1. Get angry
2. Grumble and whine during the uninstall
3. Sit impatiently through the re-installation
4. Angrily install mods
5. MAYBE get to play again unless game is still broken.
6. If so, repeat 1-5.

[Skybird]

I don't use Steam Workshop or NMM. I download all mods manually from Nexus, investigate the file structure (and look at what's included in any .bsa files if necessary), and then set them all up to work with JSGME. I use the Data Files thingy in the Steam launcher to set up the load order.

Reason: I know what JSGME does and how it does it, and I like to maintain full control over what goes into my game folder. I downloaded NMM at one point and had a look at it but took a pass, I know too many people who've had problems using it, things going haywire when they try to uninstall something and it doesn't do it properly.

Steam Workshop appears to allow for even less control over what goes into my game folder, so there's no way I'd use that either.

I never had any problems with Workshop. Not when installing, not when deinstalling, or temporarily deactivating a mod. All a breeze. The big advantage is that it automatically keeps your mods updated to the latest uploaded version. So far this never has given me any problems with unwanted overwritings or non-functional savegames. However, I always have a huge number of savegames in reserve, usually the last 3 months or so. If an update would kill some gamestatus I would like to preserve, I can always unsubscribe fromt he mod, and go back to an according savegame. But until today, I never had to.

Okay, I now said something positive about Steam. That doe snot mean that I have learned to tolerate Steam. The marketing model behind it I still hate. But I like the Workshop feature.

[Krauter]

Anyone want to post a rundown list of essential must have mods?

[frau kaleun]

Anyone want to post a rundown list of essential must have mods?

In no particular order:


Categorized Favorites Menu
some kind of sorting mod, that renames items so they are displayed in your inventory in a more logical manner (there are also mods that make the different sorting mods compatible with Categorized Favorites - if you use a sorting mod, you will probably need one)
SkyUI
Immersive HUD
No Quest Items (makes it possible to drop, store, trade, or sell most quest items; they will however have weight in your inventory instead of being weightless)
Dynamic Time Scale
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul
Lost Art Of The Blacksmith
Smithing Perks Overhaul
Same Walk and Run Speeds (matches NPC walk/run speeds to player walk/run speeds, so you are no longer always moving faster or slower than NPCs you are trying to keep pace with)
Skyrim Speeds (increases player walk speed to something that feels more natural, to me at least)
Run For Your Lives (makes most non-combat NPCs seek safety during dragon attacks - if you have Dawnguard, there is a similar mod for vampire attacks called When Vampires Attack)
Follower Trap Safety (keeps followers from triggering traps due to their stoopid, oblivious AI)
Phinix No Friendly Fire (can toggle damage from friendly fire off and on - both from hits you inflict and follower-on-follower hits)
Reduced Distance NPC Greetings (you must get closer to NPCs before random dialogue is triggered)
Smart Souls (souls will only fill gems of the appropriate size, not fill up larger ones if smaller ones are not available)
The Choice is Yours (prevents a long list of quests from being automatically added to your journal just because of random dialogue, overheard rumors, or other unavoidable encounters; also offers additional options for doing or refusing some quests that lack them in vanilla)
The Paarthurnax Dilemma (allows you to resolve situation with the Blades by telling them you will not kill P.)
Thieves Guild Requirements (prevents Brynjolf from accosting you about joining the TG unless you have already established yourself as a thief character by, you know, actually making a habit of stealing and pickpocketing things)
Sell Stones of Barenziah (allows you to sell one of them to Ri'saad, which removes journal entry about getting them appraised - even if you pick up more of them later - unless you go to Ri'saad and buy it back)
Warzones
Expanded Skyrim Factions - Companions (establishes requirements that must be met - offensive/defensive skill levels, time passd in-game, # of radiant quests completed - before you can advance to each subsequent stage of the main faction questline)

[Takeda Shingen]

Frau covered the heavy hitters, however I am going to include smaller gems that I find handy:

Essential Horses: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/1248
--Your horse is probably the squishiest NPC in the game. He is also a master of the banzai charge and is very good at jumping in front of your enemy when you are in the middle of a power attack with your most powerful, best tempered and most heavily enchanted weapon. In his free time he enjoys strolling through the crossfire when you are shooting arrows or lobbing fireballs at someone. Here, you can pick which horses you want to be essential. There are also options for Shadowmere and Frost.

If you are an honorable warrior type (pfft....boy scouts):
Skyforge Steel Redone: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/20623
--You prove yourself worthy to join the Companions. Kodlak welcomes you with open arms and then haughtily gives you permission to go to the mythical Skyforge and get a 'real weapon'. So up you go, and what are you handed? An elven-quality sword that looks exactly like the crappy steel sword that you just got laughed at for carrying. This mod makes the Skyforge weapons (1) look really cool and (2) feature improved stats so that your Harbinger hasn't sold his to Adrianne by level 20.

If you are the mage type:
Enchanting Freedom: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/8065
--The College of Winderhold; the last bastion of true arcane learning in Skyrim. The best place for an aspiring wizard to study outside of Summerset Isle. So you get there, you practice, you grind up that enchanting skill so you can put some god-like enhancements on your gear. But then you find that you can't do things that your great grandpa told you he could do. Why in the hell can't you enchant your boots to improve your Conjuration? Why can't that circlet protect you from fire? You can now put any enchantment on any article of clothing, like you could in Morrowind and Oblivion. Why would Fourth Era mages suddenly be less potent than their Third Era counterparts?

If you are the dastardly sneaky-stabby type:
Mehrunes Razor Improved: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/13232
--Mehrunes Razor is the most famous artifact of Mehrunes Dagon, the daedric prince of ambition and change. The Razor is the conduit of all of his hatred and destructive intent. It can kill instantly, and with a single hit; an artifact so powerful that the Dark Brotherhood nearly destroyed itself via in internal conflict over possesion of the dagger during the Second Era. So you run across Skyrim, gathering the shattered pieces of the blade. Lord Dagon himself assembles it anew, and grants it to you with the admonition that you sew death and discord with it. So you open your inventory to check the stats on your new ultimate instrument of death to find and instant kill percentage of...........1%?!? What the hell? It used to be 6% in Oblivion. Why is this ultimate killing tool suddenly less effective? This mod changes that. You can pick 5, 10, 15, 20, 50 or 100%. I go with 5% to keep it in line with previous titles. Oh, and it makes the blade all ebony-colored. Pretty swanky.

For blood-sucking types:
Better Vampires: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9717
--This is actually a big overhaul. The vampire lord form is very cool, but the rest of being a vampire is actually pretty 'meh'. The great thing about it is that you can customize it to your tastes. Don't like how you for some reason get stronger as you starve yourself? It lets you reverse that. Want to take damage in the sun? You can make that happen. Want to make it so healing spells, potions and food won't heal you (after all, you are not living)? You got it. Want to be able to feed on that stupid thug that tried to hold you up on the road? You can do it, just don't let the body get too cold. Want to travel the lands of Skyrim by turning yourself into an insubstantial cloud of mist like Dracula? Oh yeah, you can do that. You can mix and match all of that and more, or you can disable it all. Up to you, but your nightwalker experience will be much less lame.

For fans of Akiviri arms:
Insanitys Celtic Katana: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/15389
--I agree that, on the surface, a celtic katana is a pretty stupid idea. I didn't know that the Irish used katanas. However, I usually use an Akiviri katana in Elder Scrolls games. I think they are more elegant weapons. There problem is that I can't stand the way they look. With the exception of Dragonbane, they don't even have a scabbard. Since I am the kind of guy that likes to forge, temper and enchant his own weapons, and I like weapons that look nice, this mod was perfect for me. The saya (scabbard) is absolutely gorgeous, and the blade is not overpowered. Perfect for a blade-trained renegade turned assassin.

[donna52522]

Wow, I am glad to see an Elder Scrolls thread here, may I post in it and are screenshots welcome?

[HunterICX]

Wow, I am glad to see an Elder Scrolls thread here, may I post in it and are screenshots welcome?

But ofcourse. :yep:

HunterICX

[donna52522]

Nice, this is my current character Glenda...she likes ancient weapons because an ancient Nord Hero Bow (Legendary) only weighs 7, compared to a Daedric that weighs 18.

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j408/donna577/2013-02-18_00006_zpscf3285c6.jpg

[frau kaleun]

*waves at Donna*

Love your avatar!

I also love the Ancient Nord stuff - mostly because it looks cool, might be my favorite sword design in the game and the rest of it's not bad either. And I've gone through entire games using nothing but Ancient Nord bows, Supple Ancient Nord bows, and then the Nord Hero bow if available. I tend to stockpile the bows, they are free and plentiful and I love to smith them up and give them to followers as well.

[Dowly]

Wonder if Donna is as obsessed with Ulfric as FK... :hmm2:

///

Thought this was pretty interesting video, talking about how the series has changed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweTAhyR4o0

(Now, don't get me wrong, I like Skyrim. Just found the video interesting.)

[frau kaleun]

Wonder if Donna is as obsessed with Ulfric as FK... :hmm2:


That's a trick question. Nobody is as obsessed with Ulfric as FK. :O:

[Dowly]

Yes.. remembering all those videos I've seen from you, I would have to agree. :dead:

[Takeda Shingen]

Wonder if Donna is as obsessed with Ulfric as FK... :hmm2:

///

Thought this was pretty interesting video, talking about how the series has changed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweTAhyR4o0

(Now, don't get me wrong, I like Skyrim. Just found the video interesting.)

Remember the days when you didn't have to watch a truck commercial before you saw your video?

Anyway, the guy starts with that whole 'adolescent fit of mindless hysteria' quip, which is an establishment of the fallacy that if you don't agree with what I am saying it is clearly because you are too immature and choleric to really get it. I normally stop watching or reading someone's argument right there. However I did continue watching, more out respect for Dowly's assessment of the video than the argument of the video's author.

That being said, I do agree with much of what the author says. Games in general have moved from a PC-based to a console-based marketing scheme. Fortunately for those of us that play on PC, we can mod that older complexity back into the games. And yes, Oblivion was absolutely the weakest game in the series. I love Oblivion, but Bethesda tried some things in that game that simply didn't work well, and were corrected or restored in Skyrim.

We should be able to fail quests, factions should matter (New Vegas got that one totally right), and NPCs should totally be pissed off at you and refuse to interact with you. I am not a 100% completionist, so if I am in with the Dark Brotherhood and Volkihar Clan, I assume that it wouldn't be in my character's nature to join the Companions or enroll in the College of Winterhold.

One thing that was fantastic in New Vegas that I wish was included in Skyrim was the effect that apparel had. If you walked around Henderson wearing your Legion armor, you're going to get shot at. Conversely, strolling up to the docks in Cottonwood Cove wearing NCR ranger armor is a bad idea. In Skyrim, I can ride up to Whiterun on my red-eyed demon horse in broad dayling, stroll through the city wearing Dark Brotherhood armor and still have unrestricted access to the Jarl. "Hi, I'm a cold-blooded murderer from the Dark Brotherhood. Can I come in?" "Yeah, sure, welcome."

Oh, and I am always turning off the quest markers. An option to disable them completely would be fantastic.

[mookiemookie]

I started a new Nord character to run through the Dawnguard and Dragonborn expansions. I've completed the Companions questline and I'm having a TON of fun as a werewolf. Going all the way back to Bloodmoon, I've never played a TES title as a werewolf or vampire.

[Feuer Frei!]

Be interested to see what sort of mods everyone is running with here.

My loadout is this:

http://i.imgur.com/lBMh8VA.gif

There is really no way to run Skyrim WITHOUT a miriad of mods.

[kiwi_2005]

I got home yesterday and decided to get round to playing Xbox Skyrim for the first time, I didn't know what the hell i was doing in game control wise, fonts were to small creating a character was impossible. my melee was terrible so i quit, and started Hallo 4 - new game in easy mode and it was easy.:haha:

[Red October1984]

I got home yesterday and decided to get round to playing Xbox Skyrim for the first time, I didn't know what the hell i was doing in game control wise, fonts were to small creating a character was impossible. my melee was terrible so i quit, and started Hallo 4 - new game in easy mode and it was easy.:haha:

NO! You must go back to Skyrim!

Squint or get closer to the screen to see the font! You can't miss Skyrim. You have to play it past the beginning.

[Skybird]

Has meanwhile any mod or patch or cheat appeared that unlocks the Dragonborn main quest even when not having started the Skyrim main quest? I just cannot get myself to embark on that thing once again. Just don'T want no dragons at all, making my comrades wasting their precious arrows headlessly with which I equipped them for costly coins or for which I consumed my precious ebony ore for.

Ironic, but still. Dragons have no place in my Skyrim experience.

[kiwi_2005]

NO! You must go back to Skyrim!

Squint or get closer to the screen to see the font! You can't miss Skyrim. You have to play it past the beginning.

Cant sit up close to the tv only at distance, if i could i would play Skrim on the pc

[Red October1984]

Cant sit up close to the tv only at distance, if i could i would play Skrim on the pc

Stand by the TV then! It's that good! :)

You only have to stand up when you create your character. After that, have fun. :salute: There's you a solution! :D

[Krauter]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=201955

http://tromoticons.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/facepalm.jpg?w=1260

[Red October1984]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=201955

http://tromoticons.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/facepalm.jpg?w=1260

:o

Oh! Wow! I had forgotten that you were the one with the tumor Kiwi!

You might not want to be playing xbox close to the TV then. :oops: Sorry about that!

[donna52522]

Started a new Character using three new mods...Frostfall, Wet and Cold, and Real Needs and Diseases. Now I have to worry about exposure, eating, drinking, and sleeping.

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j408/donna577/2013-04-04_00004_zpsbcc1374f.jpg

[BossMark]

Started a new Character using three new mods...Frostfall, Wet and Cold, and Real Needs and Diseases. Now I have to worry about exposure, eating, drinking, and sleeping.


Did the same a few days ago but with all the official DLCs and that Hearthfire you need hundreds of iron ingots and sawn logs to build your home I am currently building Lakeview Manor :o

[Spike88]

I just started my Thief/Assassin Wood Elf character myself. Just purchased Winstad manor and got the small house with some furnishings up.

I was initially going to go for Lakeview Manor, but I heard it is constantly being attacked when you fast travel to it.

I wish I could get myself a new computer(partially because this one is dying) but it seems everytime I may have spending money, life throws me a curve ball. Hopefully I can get a better job soon. I'd really like to get skyrim for the PC so I can get some of the survival mods.

[BossMark]

Rowenna just about freezing to death just outside Windhelm

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee374/rothwellwhite1/ScreenShot2-2_zps2d4b8296.png

[donna52522]

Rowenna just about freezing to death just outside Windhelm

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee374/rothwellwhite1/ScreenShot2-2_zps2d4b8296.png


Looks like she is being searched by a perverted bear at an airport. :rotfl2:

[Nippelspanner]

Has meanwhile any mod or patch or cheat appeared that unlocks the Dragonborn main quest even when not having started the Skyrim main quest? I just cannot get myself to embark on that thing once again. Just don'T want no dragons at all, making my comrades wasting their precious arrows headlessly with which I equipped them for costly coins or for which I consumed my precious ebony ore for.

Ironic, but still. Dragons have no place in my Skyrim experience.

Skybird, I can recommend the "Live another life" Mod to you, it let's you choose different ways to start the game. Like being shipwrecked off the coast, being already in a guild from the start, being a vigilent of Stendar (no Quests unfortunately) and so on. It so skips the Intro, where you are going to be beheaded.

For the main quest, you can simply ignore it and concentrate on all the side quests and play the character you want. Also, Dragons won't appear until you killed the first one at the watch tower.

Alternate Start: Live another life (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9557)
(A must have for me)

[Oberon]

Skybird, I can recommend the "Live another life" Mod to you, it let's you choose different ways to start the game. Like being shipwrecked off the coast, being already in a guild from the start, being a vigilent of Stendar (no Quests unfortunately) and so on. It so skips the Intro, where you are going to be beheaded.

For the main quest, you can simply ignore it and concentrate on all the side quests and play the character you want. Also, Dragons won't appear until you killed the first one at the watch tower.

Alternate Start: Live another life (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9557)
(A must have for me)

:yep: I started my thief character out with this mod, haven't seen a single Dragon yet and I've gone through the Thieves Guild quest already.

[donna52522]

I started the game normally and I am at level 39 with this character. I haven't triggered the Dragon Event yet...There won't be any dragons at all until you see Jarl Balgruuf in Whiterun and retrieve the Dragon Stone for his Court Wizard. You can simply do everything else the game lets you do that doesn't involve the dragon quest line.

Of course you won't have any Shouts.

[frau kaleun]

I started the game normally and I am at level 39 with this character. I haven't triggered the Dragon Event yet...There won't be any dragons at all until you see Jarl Balgruuf in Whiterun and retrieve the Dragon Stone for his Court Wizard. You can simply do everything else the game lets you do that doesn't involve the dragon quest line.

Of course you won't have any Shouts.

True, in the original game you can do pretty much everything except the Civil War without advancing the MQ to the point where dragons appear.

Skybird's issue though is that he can't do the main quest for the Dragonborn DLC, which will not start unless you've already done the quest that triggers dragons to spawn in the game.

[Cybermat47]

Jarl Balgruuf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpJ7NihviVU

"I'm Jarl Balgruuf and I be ballin', ballin', Jarl ballin'."

(STRONG LANGUAGE)

[Spike88]

So I'm planning for my Thief/Assassin character to go Imperials.

My reasoning behind this is first and first most because he's Bosmer. No sense joining the Stormcloaks when they hate non-nords, especially of the Mer descent. Wouldn't want to be kicked out of Skyrim or killed off once they are free from the Empire and no longer need me. Also, the Altmer think they're superior to the Bosmer. While working with the Imperials would mean working with the Thalmor, a United Empire would mean the chance for the Bosmer to break free of the Aldmeri Dominion.

Second, the Thieves Guild in my opinion is Pro-Empire, just because that's where the money is at. The Empire is where the gold is at. They also have deals and connections with Rich and Powerful Empire supporters.

Now my biggest problem with the story I have for him is the certain Dark Brotherhood mission(I have yet to play through the campaign, but I know what happens to a certain key figure). Can't really honor the oath when you go and break it.

I'm thinking of just completing the Imperial Quest line before starting or getting to that certain part in the Dark Brotherhood. Anyone have advice on how to work it into my characters story? I'm a little stumped.

[donna52522]

True, in the original game you can do pretty much everything except the Civil War without advancing the MQ to the point where dragons appear.

Skybird's issue though is that he can't do the main quest for the Dragonborn DLC, which will not start unless you've already done the quest that triggers dragons to spawn in the game.


Oooops, my mistake, I don't have Dragnborn yet, so I didn't realize you need to trigger the dragons to start it. :oops:

[frau kaleun]

Oooops, my mistake, I don't have Dragnborn yet, so I didn't realize you need to trigger the dragons to start it. :oops:

Actually now that I've looked at it more in the UESP, it appears you can start it just by visiting Solstheim on your own and talking to the right people. But I'm wondering if something happens there that causes dragons to start spawning even if you haven't done the "main" main quest up to that point. :hmm2:

I have it but haven't played it yet so I'm not sure. TBH it doesn't make any sense to me to have the main quest of Dragonborn start unless the PC has already found out that he/she is also Dragonborn. I mean... it's called Dragonborn and the plot seems to revolve around dragons and the dragon cult and Dragonborn-y stuff in general, so it would seem odd to me to be doing that when the whole Dragonborn thing hasn't even come up at all in the main game. But as I said I haven't played it, so... I dunno.

At any rate I have no problems at all with dragons in my game, they're one of the reasons I bought the thing to begin with. I luuuuuuurve being Dragonborn. :D

[Nippelspanner]

Actually now that I've looked at it more in the UESP, it appears you can start it just by visiting Solstheim on your own and talking to the right people. But I'm wondering if something happens there that causes dragons to start spawning even if you haven't done the "main" main quest up to that point. :hmm2:

I have it but haven't played it yet so I'm not sure. TBH it doesn't make any sense to me to have the main quest of Dragonborn start unless the PC has already found out that he/she is also Dragonborn. I mean... it's called Dragonborn and the plot seems to revolve around dragons and the dragon cult and Dragonborn-y stuff in general, so it would seem odd to me to be doing that when the whole Dragonborn thing hasn't even come up at all in the main game. But as I said I haven't played it, so... I dunno.

At any rate I have no problems at all with dragons in my game, they're one of the reasons I bought the thing to begin with. I luuuuuuurve being Dragonborn. :D

Yep, would not make sence at all, since the Cultists attack you and talk about the "true dragonborn" etc. etc. so they know you are the dragonborn before... anyone else... Thats a big plothole - if possible to trigger before finding out about the fact you can shout fancy stuff...

[Skybird]

Haven't played for some weeks, did so today, and got greeted by bright white skies in the middle of the night (you see some faded stars and clouds, but still...) and daylight that seems to copy that to be seen in Solstheim.

Deactivated some mods altering light conditions. No effect. Switched on, no effect. Frostfall did an automatic update, and since then cannot be switched on in Skyrim anymore, too.

Something has seriously and alarmingly messed up since my last visit weeks ago.

Any ideas regarding the bright nights and white sky? I am not in Solstheim currently.

[mookiemookie]

TBH it doesn't make any sense to me to have the main quest of Dragonborn start unless the PC has already found out that he/she is also Dragonborn.

It doesn't. You have to have talked to the Greybeards before the cultists will show up.

[frau kaleun]

It doesn't. You have to have talked to the Greybeards before the cultists will show up.

Well, UESP lists Way Of The Voice as the prerequisite for the main Dragonborn questline, but then goes on to say in the description that you can jumpstart it by just going to Solstheim on your own (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:Dragonborn_(quest)#Notes) before the cultists even appear.

Maybe they just mean that you can do that at any time after Way Of The Voice is active in your journal, without having completed it all the way through. At that point you would already have absorbed your first dragon soul and been summoned to HH so that would make more sense.

[Skybird]

Using console command fw (force weather) and then the 0010e1f2 entry (that sets weather scheme SkyrimClear_A) seems to have solved my issue. Cannot say whether it is a coincidence only, or causally, since I entered the command when being inside a building. When going outside, the sky was working again.

Hope it stays that way.

[BossMark]

Tell anyone tell me what mod these numbers are from in the screen shot please

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee374/rothwellwhite1/ScreenShot4-3_zpsb9806d87.png

[Takeda Shingen]

^^ Frame rates, line of sight and FoV maybe? Taking a wild guess here.

[BossMark]

^^ Frame rates, line of sight and FoV maybe? Taking a wild guess here.
OK thanks I started a new character and all I did was install this mod
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/14157
And on my last playthrough those numbers never came up

[Takeda Shingen]

OK thanks I started a new character and all I did was install this mod
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/14157
And on my last playthrough those numbers never came up

Hmm. Okay, so now I have no idea what those numbers are about. Do they stay up on as part of the HuD?

[BossMark]

Hmm. Okay, so now I have no idea what those numbers are about. Do they stay up on as part of the HuD?
No they coming up every minute or so

[Takeda Shingen]

No they coming up every minute or so

Oh, that's even worse. I imagine that's pretty annoying. Anyone else with some ideas for BossMark? :hmmm:

[BossMark]

Oh, that's even worse. I imagine that's pretty annoying. Anyone else with some ideas for BossMark? :hmmm:
Started over a complete new game (only got to Riverwood with my last character) and as of yet this new game those numbers have not come up so god only knows what caused it.

And thanks for your help.

[BossMark]

It was the Lanterns of Skyrim mod it was something I enabled in the mod config menu.

[Skybird]

Stumbled over the Watermill Retreat mod. Some innovative features in it, I liked it and thus recommend it.

What exactly is the difference now between UFO and AFT? Does UFO at least anything that AFT does not?

I wish somebody would make a mod like that feature in Watermill, a mod that allows to change the choices one made for the Hearthfire homes, to change the function/architecture of any of the house's wings.

Is there a mod that allows to send adopted children from one home to another home, to make them accept it as a new home? I do not mean original adoptation. For wives/husbands, there is a mod that allows that. But not for kids, it seems?

[frau kaleun]

Is there a mod that allows to send adopted children from one home to another home, to make them accept it as a new home? I do not mean original adoptation. For wives/husbands, there is a mod that allows that. But not for kids, it seems?

I don't know and haven't had time to look, but if you find one, let me know. I use My Home Is Your Home or whatever it's called to designate new homes for followers/spouses, but the last time I checked it did not work with adopted children. There's a mod that lets you adopt up to eight kids which I'd love to use, unfortunately the last time I checked it didn't do anything about the game sending all adoptees to the same home. If I'm going to have a bunch of houses I'd love to adopt more children but not with all eight of them crowded into one residence.

[Skybird]

Yep, no kid mod. Seems I must turn their tiny little necks by 300° then. I do not have the heart to let them grow up without the care and the love of their parents living with them.

[BossMark]

As anyone tried Hegern reborn out? I am just installing it now.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/35841/?

[Skybird]

I am not happy with some of my Hearthfire houses. I wanted to redo them, read around, and followed advise

- to save game,
- to empty the houses of all items, release all staff,
- save game again,
- leave the game and restart it,
- deactivate the esm file for Hearthfire when rebooting the game, having a world cleaned of Hearthfire content,
- save game again,
- leave and restart game,
- reactivate the Hearthfire esm,

and then being able to restart the Hearthfire content in game from my last save game position, so all progress and story telling not being lost.

However, it does not work for me. When having switched of Hearthfire and trying to reload the save game (that was expected to complain about game content now missing, and asking me whether I want to restart nevertheless), the game does no start and doe snot give me that message, but simply goes CTD.

Not funny.

Reactivating the esm and reloading the very first save game from before any changes, works however, and everything is nice. Just that all the houses are there like I do not want them anymore. :hmph:

Any remedy? Or is there a mod that allows to change house wings or send the esm content back to the starting line?

BTW, I recommend you have a look at the beautifully done and really nice Millwater Retreat mod. You build an increasingly complex domicile and even start running a business with a mill, and as a fisher. Nicely done, really, very charming.

[Red October1984]

I haven't played Hearthfire.

I haven't played any of the DLC actually....

Is the DLC worth it? Do they really add any good features? :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Hm, the Forgotten Valley was a quest that ranks amongst the best I have played, with some really unforgettable sights and places. I met cute Serana. Got new options for more realistically looking armour. I still got attacked by vampires in the night, once in a while. Built three houses and started to collect and arrange items and staff. Went off to Solstheim, with another great looking quest cave there, and a new terrain as big as Riften.

All in all, even when considering that all three DLCs have bugs, yes, I think it still was worth it. But it is a question of taste. I cannot get enough of Skyrim. Others maybe can.

Nobody no answer to my question on the houses?

[frau kaleun]

I cannot get enough of Skyrim. Others maybe can.


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/107/432/i_hug_that_feel.png?1318992465

I am now at the point of remembering events and places in Skyrim the way I remember beloved events and sights and sounds from my own real life. I miss it so much. :wah:

But I have hours of modding to do before I can get back into playing, and I'm afraid to start on it because I have too much real life stuff to do and don't want to get sidetracked with that particular obsession.

Sadly I have no answer for you on the houses, I have the DLCs but have yet to play with any of them enabled.

[Red October1984]

Hm, the Forgotten Valley was a quest that ranks amongst the best I have played, with some really unforgettable sights and places. I met cute Serana. Got new options for more realistically looking armour. I still got attacked by vampires in the night, once in a while. Built three houses and started to collect and arrange items and staff. Went off to Solstheim, with another great looking quest cave there, and a new terrain as big as Riften.

All in all, even when considering that all three DLCs have bugs, yes, I think it still was worth it. But it is a question of taste. I cannot get enough of Skyrim. Others maybe can.

Nobody no answer to my question on the houses?

I'll probably get the DLC's when they drop in price.

I'd answer your question...but

...no DLC... :oops:

[Nippelspanner]

Nobody no answer to my question on the houses?

To be honest, Hearthfire can simply be ignored. The content isnt that great, nor very functional and it causes trouble with maaaany mods, so you may consider leaving it be. For me, the house bulding system is crap and not very thought-through. The best feature of Hearthfire, in my opinion, is the one I was interested in the least... the adoption thingie. I adopted a girl once I build a house and it was quite lovely to "come home" and there is someone happy to see you... just like a dog...

Hungry for houses?
Check out "Build your own house" mod for Skyrim, I tried and liked it, but thats just me.

I am planning on upgrading my system (mainly for SBP PE 3.0 :O:) and then I will also return to Skyrim once again. Hope to see you guys there! :D

[Skybird]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/107/432/i_hug_that_feel.png?1318992465

I am now at the point of remembering events and places in Skyrim the way I remember beloved events and sights and sounds from my own real life. I miss it so much. :wah:

But I have hours of modding to do before I can get back into playing, and I'm afraid to start on it because I have too much real life stuff to do and don't want to get sidetracked with that particular obsession.

Life is an obsession that players shall not allow to interfere with their real life in Skyrim.
:shucks:

[Krauter]

Grr.... Freaking hate mods sometimes. Came home for the weekend wanting to play Skyrim, download 4 new mods. Load up SKSE and crash. Disable the 4 mods. Crash. Disable everything. Crash. Disable everything in NMM and crash.. go to load up everything in the Skyrim manager and it's all out of order.

Screw this stuff.

[Krauter]

Just wondering if this is the case for anyone else. Anytime Skyrim gets Alt-Tabbed, or minimized. I can't get the game back up so I need to shut it down and restart. Not so bad except Norton constantly pops up and asks if I want them contaminating my computer again. Anyone else have this? How do I fix it?

[frau kaleun]

Just wondering if this is the case for anyone else. Anytime Skyrim gets Alt-Tabbed, or minimized. I can't get the game back up so I need to shut it down and restart. Not so bad except Norton constantly pops up and asks if I want them contaminating my computer again. Anyone else have this? How do I fix it?

I remember having occasional issues with not being able to alt-tab/minimize and then get the game back to full screen again... TBH I think it wasn't so much that as it was the issue with the Windows cursor staying on the screen and active (in addition to the in-game pointer) sometimes and I can't remember what the trick was to making it all work right. :hmmm:

Altho my first suggestion would be to get rid of Norton, but that has nothing to do with Skyrim. :O:

[Nippelspanner]

I remember having occasional issues with not being able to alt-tab/minimize and then get the game back to full screen again... TBH I think it wasn't so much that as it was the issue with the Windows cursor staying on the screen and active (in addition to the in-game pointer) sometimes and I can't remember what the trick was to making it all work right. :hmmm:

Altho my first suggestion would be to get rid of Norton, but that has nothing to do with Skyrim. :O:

*NippelToTheRescue*
Hit escape first, alt+tab the game, re-enter game, enjoy Skyrim without pesky windows cursors! :yeah:

[Takeda Shingen]

Generally speaking, Skyrim isn't a game that takes kindly to being minimized. I always exit if I need to get to the desktop.

[Platapus]

I used to play MMORPGs until I took a dissertation to the knee. :88)

[Takeda Shingen]

Skyrim is single-player only.

[Platapus]

Skyrim is single-player only.


MMORPG - Mature Men Online Role Playing Girls. :)

[Takeda Shingen]

MMORPG - Mature Men Online Role Playing Girls. :)

But they're not online. They may not even be playing female.

So you don't like Skyrim?

[Arclight]

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1117176606479678726/78199AC8CBB7760A1DF8CA676FEAE595CCC57754/
Note to self: next time she asks if her armor makes her look fat, don't answer.

[HunterICX]

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/624/tkvg.jpg
Dragonborn, Dragonborn
this Chef gets a new one torn.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3992/5dy5.jpg
Oops..I think Lydia is broken

HunterICX

[Platapus]

But they're not online. They may not even be playing female.

So you don't like Skyrim?

I have not played it. I am still enjoying Oblivion, and besides, I am still boycotting Steam. I assume that Steam is still required to play Skyrim?

[Takeda Shingen]

I have not played it. I am still enjoying Oblivion, and besides, I am still boycotting Steam. I assume that Steam is still required to play Skyrim?

Yep. Enjoy not using Steam.

Also, I don't like Maytag dishwashers.

[Platapus]

Yep. Enjoy not using Steam.



Not so much enjoying it, just that I still have problems with my Steam account and all the Steam help desk can do is tell me that my problem can't happen and that all I need to do reinstall the game.

Really Steam? Wow, I never would have thought about that. Guess what, it does not work.. hence what I call "a problem". :/\\!!

Which according to Steam, simply can't happen. :nope:

Glad others are happy with Steam. I only hope that before long, there is another company to replace Steam (I am resigned to the fact that in the future all single player games will require internet accounts. :/\\!!) but will do it better and with better customer service.

Or perhaps soon they will release a patch that allows people to play Skyrim without a Steam account. That would be nice.

Skyrim sounds like a very nice game. Would like to play it, but can't take the risk of paying for another game that Steam won't allow me to play. :nope:

[Takeda Shingen]

I've had nothing but great experience with Steam. 10/10 would recommend to friends, etc.

[Skybird]

I stumbled over a new home, which I very much like as well: Sutvaka Estate. It is a Windhelm-style stronghold on a mountain top halfway between Whiterun and Windhelm, slightly south of the tavern that in the English game I think is called Nightingale Inn (yes?!). Additionally to the description here I want to add that not only you can bring in your followers, but that there is a garrison of 6 knights following your orders as well, plus 2 maidens. The whole place is quite atmospheric, lies in an interesting location, and gives quite a protected feeling.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/33473/?

Using a light and weather mod (45 mods all in all currently) and many followers that I have stationed in my various homes and bases, I still get amazed by the combination of landscape sights, light and situational mood. This game, after two years, still has not left any of it's breathtaking beauty. Only The Hunter can compete in that regard.

[Nippelspanner]

I stumbled over a new home, which I very much like as well: Sutvaka Estate. It is a Windhelm-style stronghold on a mountain top halfway between Whiterun and Windhelm, slightly south of the tavern that in the English game I think is called Nightingale Inn (yes?!). Additionally to the description here I want to add that not only you can bring in your followers, but that there is a garrison of 6 knights following your orders as well, plus 2 maidens. The whole place is quite atmospheric, lies in an interesting location, and gives quite a protected feeling.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/33473/?

Using a light and weather mod (45 mods in all currently) and many followers that I have statione din my various homes, I still get amazed by the combination of landscape sights, light and situational mood. This game, after two years, still has not left any of it's breathtaking beauty.

Time for a new "I think I found my new home!" thread, eh? :D
Very beautiful. I like the personal Knights garrison...

Too bad I unsinstalled Skyrim 3 days ago :shifty:

[Skybird]

Who said I cant settle an argument?

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1314/3oxx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/3oxx.jpg/)

They are guards from the LC_CastleInvasion mod. Nice mod if you want to celebrate the occasional really big bloodbath. With clever hide-and-strike, magic, shouts, and high ratings in archery, armour etc, it is a nice challenge to storm that castle all alone. But it is also fun to have a biog field battle with five or six tough followers (the guards count by the several dozens, and they are no useless sandbags). Big loot to claim.

[Skybird]

Sutvaka.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1363/vnez.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/vnez.jpg/)

It'S follower-friendly and wife and husband can be made to stay there too via the mark-new-home-mod, but followers will refuse to wear dedicated "home" clothing if you have set that option for them via a mod (AFT that I use allows three clothing sets for outside, city, and home).

The castle has one building for the troops which all take your commands (6 guards), a prison, a watchtower, a huge player'S house, and a hidden basement with very huge secret chambers with treasury, smithing room, study room, "royalty hall" (as I call it), and a secret escape tunnel (where a smuggler lives who trades with you).

The place is isolated, gemütlich, and makes you feel very very well protected. Plenty of storage space. I have on one opportunity put six followers plus the 2 house staffs plus the 6 guards in there. It was like my own private village.

[Feuer Frei!]

I don't think anyone will argue with you anymore Skybird :haha:

Wishful thinking in the GT Section though.

The ragdoll physics look unacceptable.

Are you aware that there are fixes\mods in place for that?

[Iron Budokan]

For blood-sucking types:
Better Vampires: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9717
--This is actually a big overhaul. The vampire lord form is very cool, but the rest of being a vampire is actually pretty 'meh'. The great thing about it is that you can customize it to your tastes. Don't like how you for some reason get stronger as you starve yourself? It lets you reverse that. Want to take damage in the sun? You can make that happen. Want to make it so healing spells, potions and food won't heal you (after all, you are not living)? You got it. Want to be able to feed on that stupid thug that tried to hold you up on the road? You can do it, just don't let the body get too cold. Want to travel the lands of Skyrim by turning yourself into an insubstantial cloud of mist like Dracula? Oh yeah, you can do that. You can mix and match all of that and more, or you can disable it all. Up to you, but your nightwalker experience will be much less lame.



I was actually curious about this mod and have a question. I have more than one character I play on Skyrim. One of them is already a vampire, but the others are not, and nor are they every likely to be. If I download this mod will they all immediately become vampires, or not?

Thanks! :)

[donna52522]

Not so much enjoying it, just that I still have problems with my Steam account and all the Steam help desk can do is tell me that my problem can't happen and that all I need to do reinstall the game.

Really Steam? Wow, I never would have thought about that. Guess what, it does not work.. hence what I call "a problem". :/\\!!

Which according to Steam, simply can't happen. :nope:

Glad others are happy with Steam. I only hope that before long, there is another company to replace Steam (I am resigned to the fact that in the future all single player games will require internet accounts. :/\\!!) but will do it better and with better customer service.

Or perhaps soon they will release a patch that allows people to play Skyrim without a Steam account. That would be nice.

Skyrim sounds like a very nice game. Would like to play it, but can't take the risk of paying for another game that Steam won't allow me to play. :nope:

I have a friend that was playing Skyrim without problems for over a year, then it messed up. Steam told her "it can't happen" and in the end they were right, it had nothing to do with Steam. What happened was that an auto Microsoft update messed everything up.

Also, depending on your security, a security update could also cause problems. Steam isn't responsible, or even know, what may be going on with your system configuration. I have had no problems at all with Steam.