[TEC] External cargo in SH5 - Page 4

gap · 06-29-13, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

on second thought adding new zones is going to cause compatibility problems with other mods.

By luck no many mods fiddled with Zones.cfg. IIRC, you have released a modified version of the file for your damage management patch. Is this the latest version of the file? Are there any other tweaks which I should include in the new Zones.cfg?

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

You sure these zones aren't used by anything else?

No, I was just guessing

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

The right thing to do is add new zones

Yes it is. By the way, the B-25 mod that I am still working on will add several new zones

TheDarkWraith · 06-29-13, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

By luck no many mods fiddled with Zones.cfg. IIRC, you have released a modified version of the file for your damage management patch. Is this the latest version of the file? Are there any other tweaks which I should include in the new Zones.cfg?

We need to verify that the file you speak of includes all the changes in FX_Update's zones.cfg file.

We really need to merge everyone's changes to the zones.cfg file and make a community zones.cfg file

Maybe start a thread for it so people can find it and upload their changes to it there. Have post #1 reflect the newest version of the file so it's always updated. This will help prevent conflict and people using numbers/zones already defined.

gap · 06-29-13, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

We need to verify that the file you speak of includes all the changes in FX_Update's zones.cfg file.

We really need to merge everyone's changes to the zones.cfg file and make a community zones.cfg file

Maybe start a thread for it so people can find it and upload their changes to it there. Have post #1 reflect the newest version of the file so it's always updated. This will help prevent conflict and people using numbers/zones already defined.

I think that FX Updates marked the new standard for SH5 Zones.cfg file, that any modder wanting to mod the same file should deal with. As I told you before, apart from FX Updates, your damage management patch, and BARF, I don't know of any other mod tinkering with the same file.

If I add the new zones to FXUpdate's version of the file, creating a BARF compatible version from it won't be that difficult

P.S: can you answer this question?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...6&postcount=45

TheDarkWraith · 06-29-13, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

P.S: can you answer this question?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...6&postcount=45

The spreading of fires and damage is linked to effects in Baza_FX so if your zones use the fires specified in the Baza_FX (basically the FireSmall, FireBig and such defined in the zones.cfg file) then they will spead with your new zones.

gap · 06-29-13, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

The spreading of fires and damage is linked to effects in Baza_FX so if your zones use the fires specified in the Baza_FX (basically the FireSmall, FireBig and such defined in the zones.cfg file) then they will spead with your new zones.

excellent.

Is it the same for explosions? When triggered, will they affect nearby boxes, or they are just a cosmetic feature?

TheDarkWraith · 06-29-13, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gap

excellent.

Is it the same for explosions? When triggered, will they affect nearby boxes, or they are just a cosmetic feature?

I believe explosions were purely cosmetic. I could add something to them that could make them induce damage in nearby zones

gap · 06-29-13, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I believe explosions were purely cosmetic. I could add something to them that could make them induce damage in nearby zones

Good Idea. If you don't get time for it, I can try doing it myself by copying your "spreading gires" settings. In this case, I will pass on the resulting file to you, for you to include them into FXU. What do you think

Mikemike47 · 06-29-13, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

We need to verify that the file you speak of includes all the changes in FX_Update's zones.cfg file. We really need to merge everyone's changes to the zones.cfg file and make a community zones.cfg file

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

I think that FX Updates marked the new standard for SH5 Zones.cfg file, that any modder wanting to mod the same file should deal with.

FYI - I am using Open Horizons II v2.2 and most of the mods from sober's mod list. Nothing else use a newer zones.cfg than FX Update and Open Horizons.

Per Trevally's update log:
Update 22/04/2013
OHII V2.1
Updated the zones.cfg with the new one from TDWs "FX_Update_0_0_21_TheDarkWraith" - has the same date time stamp

Update 12/05/2013
OHII V2.2
Nothing newer concerning zones.cfg

Does anyone else use mods that I don't and has a newer zones.cfg?

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Accurate German Flags
RemoveLogoIntroTheDarkWraith
sobers game loading tips V5 SH5
DBM Background Video
sobers green spinning thing SH5
SMission - D-Day Landings
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Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_byTheBeast
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TheDarkWraith · 06-29-13, 08:02 PM

I found this type entry in the carriers:

[Equipment 38]
NodeName=X07
LinkName=Lowres_Buffalo_GB,data\Air\Lowres_Buffalo \Lowres_Buffalo_GB.GR2
StartDate=19450101
EndDate=19451231

never seen X nodes before. These are specifying the aircraft on the carriers deck.

gap · 06-30-13, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikemike47

FYI - I am using Open Horizons II v2.2 and most of the mods from sober's mod list. Nothing else use a newer zones.cfg than FX Update and Open Horizons.

Thank you Mike, I never realized that OHII included TDW's version of Zones.cfg

So... I have set several new zones for use with external cargo models. They are:

Code:

225=ExtCargoExplA
226=ExtCargoExplB
227=ExtCargoFlamA
228=ExtCargoFlamB
229=ExtCargoFuelA
230=ExtCargoFuelB
231=ExtCargoGenA
232=ExtCargoGenB
233=ExtCargoVehicA
234=ExtCargoVehicB

Description:

ExtCargoExplA: explosive cargo;
ExtCargoExplB: as above, but with lower HP (for models composed by many small elements, like the barrels I have been working on in the last days);
ExtCargoFlamA: flammable cargo (oil not included);
ExtCargoFlamB: as above, but with lower HP;
ExtCargoFuelA: oil cargo;
ExtCargoFuelB: as above, but with lower HP;
ExtCargoGenA: general cargo;
ExtCargoGenB: as above, but with lower HP;
ExtCargoVehicA: regular vehicles;
ExtCargoVehicB: armored vehicles;

Settings:

Code:

[ExtCargoExplA]
Multiplier=5.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=150
Destructible=Yes
Armor Level=1
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=Ammo

[ExtCargoExplB]
Multiplier=5.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=10
Destructible=Yes
Armor Level=1
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=Ammo

[ExtCargoFlamA]
Multiplier=3.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=150
Destructible=Yes
Effect1=BAZA_FX_FocFum_mic, 10
Armor Level=1
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=None

[ExtCargoFlamB]
Multiplier=3.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=10
Destructible=Yes
Effect1=BAZA_FX_FocFum_mic, 10
Armor Level=1
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=None

[ExtCargoFuelA]
Multiplier=3.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=150
Destructible=Yes
Armor Level=1
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=Fuel

[ExtCargoFuelB]
Multiplier=3.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=10
Destructible=Yes
Armor Level=1
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=Fuel

[ExtCargoGenA]
Multiplier=1.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=150
Destructible=Yes
Effect1=BAZA_FX_Foc, 20
Effect2=BAZA_FX_FocFum_mic, 40
Armor Level=1
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=None

[ExtCargoGenB]
Multiplier=1.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=10
Destructible=Yes
Effect1=BAZA_FX_Foc, 20
Effect2=BAZA_FX_FocFum_mic, 40
Armor Level=1
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=None

[ExtCargoVehicA]
Multiplier=1.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=25
Destructible=Yes
Effect1=BAZA_FX_FocFum_mic, 40
Effect2=BAZA_FX_Explozie_mica, 100
Effect3=BAZA_FX_Splinter_fire, 100
Effect4=BAZA_FX_scantei_explozie,100
Armor Level=5
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=None

[ExtCargoVehicB]
Multiplier=1.000000
Flotability=0.000000
HitPoints=50
Destructible=Yes
Effect1=BAZA_FX_FocFum_mic, 70
Effect2=BAZA_FX_Explozie_mica, 100
Effect3=BAZA_FX_Splinter_fire, 100
Effect4=BAZA_FX_scantei_explozie,100
Armor Level=20
Critic Flotation=0.3
Critical=No
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=None

Probably we will need to finetune the above settings based on the results of in-game testing.

@ Volodya

If you want to assign the new zone definitions to the stock cargo models, here is a merge of them with FX Update's Zone.cfg:

http://www.mediafire.com/?r25c8fcolhwj6iy

volodya61 · 06-30-13, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gap

@ Volodya

If you want to assign the new zone definitions to the stock cargo models, here is a merge of them with FX Update's Zone.cfg:

http://www.mediafire.com/?r25c8fcolhwj6iy

I can do that if it's needed.. is it needed?

And I forgot to post these message yesterday (at first power outages, and then forgot

)

Quote:

There are several zones.cfg files..
FX Update contains it, OHII contains it.. also there is edited version of FX Update file, it was edited for compatibility with the AI Crew Damage Control patch, GenericPatcher contains it..
e.g. I use edited version from this mod - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=193825
also there are several other versions but I don't review them seriously here..

gap · 06-30-13, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by volodya61

I can do that if it's needed.. is it needed?

Yes, if we want to simulate the effect on ship integrity of hitting different cargo types.

Moreover, I am trying to create new cargo models which will include many smaller elements (i.e. single crates, sacks or barrels) instead of merging them together as per stock cargo models. Each element will get its own damage box. It means that they will blow up singularly, and that damaging a single element will trigger a chain reaction, with fires/explosions spreading from one element to the nearby ones. In order to do it, I need for new zones anyway

Quote:

Originally Posted by volodya61

And I forgot to post these message yesterday (at first power outages, and then forgot

)

so we have:

FX Updates version
FX Updates + Crew Damage Control version
FX Updates + Crew Damage Control (Increased Flooding) version
FX Updates + BARF version
FX Updates + AST version

Merging new zones with the above mods will be really easy, as we won't need to tweak their settings, but just to append our new zones at the end of their respective Zones.cfg files. I could do it right now, but it would be a pointless excercise as we will need to adjust the new settings anyway

volodya61 · 06-30-13, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gap

Yes, if we want to simulate the effect on ship integrity of hitting different cargo types...

OK, I'll re-edit file that I already edited before.. but a bit later.. isn't it an urgently?

gap · 06-30-13, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by volodya61

OK, I'll re-edit file that I already edited before.. but a bit later.. isn't it an urgently?

You should ask our project leader, Rongel, but I would say not

gap · 06-30-13, 11:36 AM

@ Rongel

Re. the problem of equipments looking poor when rendered on top of dat units, while digging into SHIII cargo models, I have discovered that they include a DynamicShadowCast controller which is absent from the SH4 cargo files that you sent me yesterday. Probably this controller won't work on SH5, but who knows, it could be worth a quick test.

In addition, SHIII cargo use WaterReflection controllers as well, but IIRC it sure that they are ignored by SH5's engine.

06-29-13, 08:02 PM	#54
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	I found this type entry in the carriers: [Equipment 38] NodeName=X07 LinkName=Lowres_Buffalo_GB,data\Air\Lowres_Buffalo \Lowres_Buffalo_GB.GR2 StartDate=19450101 EndDate=19451231 never seen X nodes before. These are specifying the aircraft on the carriers deck.

06-30-13, 11:36 AM	#60
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	@ Rongel Re. the problem of equipments looking poor when rendered on top of dat units, while digging into SHIII cargo models, I have discovered that they include a DynamicShadowCast controller which is absent from the SH4 cargo files that you sent me yesterday. Probably this controller won't work on SH5, but who knows, it could be worth a quick test. In addition, SHIII cargo use WaterReflection controllers as well, but IIRC it sure that they are ignored by SH5's engine.