SEA POWER - Naval Combat in the Missile Age

[Wiz33]

Originally Posted by Julhelm

There is no bias in the game whatsoever, neither to the east nor the west. We go with published data from trusted sources, but we do have the most accurate implementation of Soviet anti-ship missiles in any game so far, which we are proud of.

Whatever paper units exist in the game are included by us because:

- We find them interesting designs
- It's a simulation, so what-if units can be put into the game and see how they would have performed
- It allows to game out historical what-ifs

You don't have to use them if you don't want to, and they won't show up in historical campaigns or scenarios, either. They're simply there to increase the sandbox potential.

But do they actually work as demonstrated in the recent conflict. A lot of claims on Soviet era weapons are totally overhyped.. Even Old Hawk missile that stopped receiving updates in the 90s seems to be out performing current Russian equipments.

[Aktungbby]

Wiz33!... resurfaced after a 2-year 'silent run'!

[Wiz33]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Wiz33!... resurfaced after a 2-year 'silent run'!

Really not much going on on the the modern naval front for a while. Now that Sea Power have a release date. I'm back.

[Julhelm]

Originally Posted by Wiz33

But do they actually work as demonstrated in the recent conflict. A lot of claims on Soviet era weapons are totally overhyped.. Even Old Hawk missile that stopped receiving updates in the 90s seems to be out performing current Russian equipments.

Current Russia is not the USSR of the Cold War. Certainly Soviet-origin air defence systems have always been effective, except in conflicts like Allied Force where the US was able to gain air superiority and perform DEAD uncontested. They are certainly effective in the current conflict, to the point where neither side can reliably conduct air ops near the frontline.


People take one event like the Moskva sinking and extrapolate to the extreme from that. We could do the same with the Sheffield, the Coventry or the Stark, but noone ever seems to make the argument western equipment is useless because these ships were caught unaware.

[ET2SN]

So, we'll be seeing the short nosed version of the F-111 for carrier ops?

[Wiz33]

Originally Posted by Julhelm

Current Russia is not the USSR of the Cold War. Certainly Soviet-origin air defence systems have always been effective, except in conflicts like Allied Force where the US was able to gain air superiority and perform DEAD uncontested. They are certainly effective in the current conflict, to the point where neither side can reliably conduct air ops near the frontline.


People take one event like the Moskva sinking and extrapolate to the extreme from that. We could do the same with the Sheffield, the Coventry or the Stark, but noone ever seems to make the argument western equipment is useless because these ships were caught unaware.

I don't have as much contact with the people in the industry/field now but I was told that thing have not improve much.

Back in the days of the cold war when my company actually does Mil-spec contracts. We worked for Gould Inc which build the Mk48, FMC which build the M2 and other projects some of those were so highly classified that we were not even given the program name at the time (one of those which turns out to be parts for the B2). What I can tell you is that every piece of equipment the US and allies have acquired since the fall of the USSR have underperform to the published spec. This does not even cover the poor workmanship on the equipment acquire form East Germany and other former Soviet states. We're talking about upward of 20% failure rates. Examples of which includes the 125mm APFSDS tank main gun round where 30% of the Tungsten Penetrators shattered upon impact and things like all the missile launch failure video you see on the web is more the norm than the exception.

[Tucker]

Have they released any info on how the campaign will play?

I know it's going to be a dynamic campaign, but I mean will you be controlling all the naval assets in a theater, or will the campaign allow for less grand strategy control? Like say controlling a single ship/submarine or a battle group/task force.

I would love to see essentially an updated Cold Waters campaign where you are in control of an individual unit or battlegroup/task force in a larger theater. But unlike Cold Waters where it's your sub against the entire Northern and Baltic Fleets, you have AI allied units operating around you.

[Oubaas]

I'm planning to buy it upon release. Being Early Access, I won't expect it to be perfect out of the box. And as long as they don't show up in historical scenarios where they would be inappropriate, I like the inclusion of, "what-if" units, prototypes, etcetera.

As for Soviet and Russian military equipment, the proof is in the pudding. And a brief review of world military history suggests that an awful lot of the disparagement may be based on hooyah propaganda. I spent many years in uniform, with the Soviets as my primary adversaries. I did not see any of the Keystone Cops ineptitude that is typically attributed to them in the west.