War Ace Campaign (WAC) 5.0 2017

[chipsranger]

After watching the video, read this post
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2518486&postcount=167

:up:

:Kaleun_Salute:

[Grrrouch]

Well.. in that case you play with SH3 stock campaign files, except the harbours and buildings.
But you do not have the historical events,no harbour traffic, no big convoys, not much random traffic, probably no torpedo planes, etc.

Ok, good to know. Doing it right with 5.02, is ericleas assumption right? Do I need the baltic campaign additionally in wac 5.02 or is it already implemented?

[HanSolo78]

Ok, good to know. Doing it right with 5.02, is ericleas assumption right? Do I need the baltic campaign additionally in wac 5.02 or is it already implemented?

Yes, WAC5.2 Patch includes all nescessary campaign files for the atlantic and baltic - no more additional installation needed!
Only for mediterranean you need the campaign files!

The baltic, atlantic campaign is already included and optimized.. reduced some traffic and units not nescessary.

If you compare:

WAC 5.0 & 5.01

campaign_scr.mis - 7,68 MB
campaign_rnd.mis - 7,42 MB
campaign_lns.mis - 1,77 MB

WAC 5.2

campaign_scr.mis - 7,05 MB
campaign_rnd.mis - 7,42 MB
campaign_lns.mis - 1,33 MB

[ericlea]

Only for mediterranean you need the campaign files!






Thanks

Will it be an another mediterranean campaign mod than "WAC5.0 Campaign_Mediterranean" or is this mod also ok for wac5.2 ?


:hmmm:

[FullMetalADCAP]

Okay, coming back to SH3 after a VERY LONG LONG time away. I saw that full interior walk around subs are now possible for SH3, sort of like SH5?

But after reading the installation file for WAC 5.0 it states that you cannot run WAC 5.0 with a widescreen GUI and the full sub interiors? So, I take that to mean that I have to choose between full sub interiors at 4:3 screen ratio or playing without full sub interiors at 16:9? If I play at 4:3 on a wide screen TV won't I have ugly black bars on the sides of my screen with game image centered at 4:3 with low resolution image?

I'm sorry if my question has been asked before. Just trying to get some clarity. I'd like to play the game at 1920X1080 resolution with the full sub interiors and have a GUI that fits my screen.

[ericlea]

Hi,


Yes, due to RAM limitation, it is not possible to play a campaign with Full Interior + Widegui. it will cause CTD. You have to make a choice. For exemple, you can in thirst patrol play only with the full interior mod. end your patrol then change your jsgme list so that in second patrol you play only with the widegui mod, but not both at same time...



however it is possible to play with both at the same time in academy and in some single missions.

[zeus]

Hello
I installed the war ace campaign 5.2 and noticed that there are not changes Wheater. I have sailed from Germán port and now In the north of England and I do not change the wheater

Is this normal?

[Fifi]

Hello
I installed the war ace campaign 5.2 and noticed that there are not changes Wheater. I have sailed from Germán port and now In the north of England and I do not change the wheater

Is this normal?

For weather, best is to patch with H.sie (without the weather fix checked) and activate Stiebler Env Sim Act 10 last on Jsgme.
Best weather ever finded for me :up:

[ivanov.ruslan]

Jawol!:yep:

[makman94]

Hi guys!

Patch 5.2 officially released: :Kaleun_Salute:

https://war-ace-campaign.webnode.at/news/patch-5-2-released/



H.Sie Supplement is also released in a new version:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/dq6s3zvc4aao7ya/WAC5.2_H.sie_Supplement_to_V16B1.7z/file

wow, thank you very much Hansolo :Kaleun_Applaud:

[Capt. Morgan]

For weather, ... activate Stiebler Env Sim Act 10 last on Jsgme :Kaleun_Salute:

Thanks, is this a mod or is it a file from NYGM? I found Stiebler's Real Weather Fix in downloads, but it seems to be something different (working with Scene.dat).

[FullMetalADCAP]

Hi,


Yes, due to RAM limitation, it is not possible to play a campaign with Full Interior + Widegui. it will cause CTD. You have to make a choice. For exemple, you can in thirst patrol play only with the full interior mod. end your patrol then change your jsgme list so that in second patrol you play only with the widegui mod, but not both at same time...



however it is possible to play with both at the same time in academy and in some single missions.

Thanks for your answer. :up:

Why is 4GB the max amount of RAM that can be used by the game? Is it not possible to create an 8GB patch using the same method the 4GB patch is using to give the game access to more memory?

[HanSolo78]

Thanks for your answer. :up:

Why is 4GB the max amount of RAM that can be used by the game? Is it not possible to create an 8GB patch using the same method the 4GB patch is using to give the game access to more memory?

Actually 2GB is the limit for 32 bit applications on 32 bit systems like win7 32 or win xp. With the 4Gb patch you can theoretically use 4GB for applications on 64 bit systems like win7 64 or win10.
BUT... in real life you have to substract the hardware memory space that is needed by your PC. So.. you will end up using 3,3-3,65GB RAM for SH3.

Too little to use more stuff and hard on the edge of running!

[Fifi]

:Kaleun_Salute:

Thanks, is this a mod or is it a file from NYGM? I found Stiebler's Real Weather Fix in downloads, but it seems to be something different (working with Scene.dat).

No, not from NYGM.

Here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2392727&postcount=1

[zeus]

Yes , the weather changes more with env.10

[Echolot]

Hi. First, thank you han for the update. I tried and get the black land textures in the training mission. After a search i found the fix provided by Anvart1061, but this doesn't helped, same with fiddling with the graphic driver settings, black land. So I looked at the files in the mod and it may be the file data/Terrain/Textures/Detaile.tga. After overwriting with the stock file black land texture is gone. I can't even open that file in Paint.net, get an error message. Hope this helps. PS Is there any blank campaign files mod for mp games (like gwx online gaming mod) with no traffic and messages? Thank you.

[HanSolo78]

@Echolot

Thx for your information relating the black textures.
I never got them but also realized in the past that Anvar s fix did not help other captains.

About the blank campaign files.. what do you want detailed blank? The whole campaign files except the bases?
Or do you still want the traffic but no docked ships in harbours?

[Echolot]

@HanSolo78 Thank you for the answer. I'd like to have no traffic, no harbour docked ships, no messages but the bases. Thank you very much. PS Regarding the black textures: I've played on an older notebook with amd graphics. No matter what settings in the control panel. I may test the texture on my gaming rig with nv card later.

[ThePrody]

Hey Han, any news about the Black Sea Campaign ?

[HanSolo78]

Hey Han, any news about the Black Sea Campaign ?

I will really try to get the german radio traffic translation done in the upcoming week, before I will build my new gaming pc. The beta tests show no big deal breakers, except the interior which eats too much RAM again.
So stay tuned next week!

@Echolot

So.. Only bases can be done very quickly for online gaming. Stay tuned this eve!

[Kal_Maximus_U669]

Hello HanSolo78 I must say that all your mods is really fantastic I come to start a career with order I must say that the submarine navigates really well the weather the sea all is beautiful ... more I have not had a Ctd yet! !!! after having tested your other versions I find this one much more stable even in term of fps except in the ports or the c is the fall ..! but no ctd for the moment, I must say that I had fun watching the port of Kiel while sailing !! I drive with Ahnenerbe full map c is the top now I would like to know if we can use UCS 3.01 Kombi if your friend Kermit has updated news? big thank you if I can afford a suggestion it would improve the interior even if it is not full I am aware that this problem of ram is the .... support type VII of course respect your work here I hold at current career progress is problems meet ... thank you to you
:subsim::Kaleun_Applaud::Kaleun_Cheers:

[HanSolo78]

@Echolot

Try this file for multiplayer: http://www.mediafire.com/file/rghrk91hn7ato3j/WAC5.2_Multiplayer_Campaign.7z/file



@Marco Ramius 001

UCS 3.01 Kombi should be reworked for WAC5.2
But I do no know if Kermit has time to rework his mod.

[Kal_Maximus_U669]

Back from patrol with a type IIa no CtD for now at Kiel in the port do not exceed the x4 in travel mode ... especially with full ahneherbe
:Kaleun_Salute:

[Kal_Maximus_U669]

@Echolot

Try this file for multiplayer: http://www.mediafire.com/file/rghrk91hn7ato3j/WAC5.2_Multiplayer_Campaign.7z/file



@Marco Ramius 001

UCS 3.01 Kombi should be reworked for WAC5.2
But I do no know if Kermit has time to rework his mod.

Thank's pour tous ce travail ...!
:yeah:

[Anvar1061]

I tried using skin VIIB U-83 in a Mediterranean company, but the Wise-Ahnenerbe skin I know is not suitable. Is there a way to fix this?

[chipsranger]

mod list CTD NEW CAREER
:hmmm:

WarAceCampaign 5.0
WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch_5.2
WAC5.2 H.sie Supplement to V16B1
Optimized ARB-Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920x1080 for WAC5

[Anvar1061]

Italia
Briefing=The Mediterranean, November 1943||BRIEFING|Mussolini has fallen and Italy has declared war on Germany. The battleships ITALIA , ROMA, GIULIO CESARE and CAIO DUILIO are returning to Malta from patrol in the Aegean. You must sink them.||PRIMARY OBJECTIVE|Sink the battleships
https://pp.userapi.com/c851132/v851132638/acd52/mPEwCz1bM0I.jpg

http://s9.uploads.ru/t/Z8IBm.jpg (http://uploads.ru/Z8IBm.jpg)
http://sd.uploads.ru/t/7lwJS.jpg (http://uploads.ru/7lwJS.jpg)

http://shmf.larsbundgaard.dk/Smileys/extended/download.gif (http://www.mediafire.com/file/c9x2r3knbmxfpm6/Italian.7z/file)

[J0313]

I want to congratulate you Han for excellent mod. It has a good blend of eye candy, realism, and gameplay. So far there are only a few minor glitches that I will report. In Kiel there are a few buildings Northeast of the start point that look like they have been buried by a land slide. They are on a hill. Also the tilt of the VIIB is backwards for surfacing and diving. I am not sure about the other types. That's it Han.

[Progrocker]

5.2 version working great, with no crashdowns, much smoother performance than 5.0 or 5.01. Many thanks! :salute:

[Echolot]

"" @Echolot Try this file for multiplayer: http://www.mediafire.com/file/rghrk9...mpaign.7z/file "" @HanSolo78 Funktioniert einwandfrei, vielen Dank. Works like a charm, thank you very much. One question: Which unit is next after flower corvette in british roster. The museum is crashing when I want to show it? Regards Echolot

[zeus]

I Think there is an error with the torpedoes When there is a bad sea the torpedoes do not impact
Whittier they do is cross the ship’s hull and not yo exploted
This happened near the south de norway coast, in october 1939

Is ir a bug?

[ivanov.ruslan]

Check h.sie option selector :03:

[zeus]

Deos the option have to be activated?

[ivanov.ruslan]

Not :03:

[zeus]

Ok, thank you!!!

[Skarmy]

I'm getting a crash when I attempt to start my career patrol when I enable WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch_5.2 .. It works just fine if I just use 5.01. It loads to the last 5% remaining, hangs, and crashes.

[ericlea]

Hi,
A lot of tests have been done, Wac5.2 is very stable. (more stable than 5.0 and 5.1.)
Date, flotilla, uboat type, base location ?
+ your mods list ? Thanks

[Skarmy]

Hi,
A lot of tests have been done, Wac5.2 is very stable. (more stable than 5.0 and 5.1.)
Date, flotilla, uboat type, base location ?
+ your mods list ? Thanks




Mod List is WAC 5.01 + 5.2 patch. 1939 2nd flotilla. But even the training missions won't start.

[HanSolo78]

Mod List is WAC 5.01 + 5.2 patch. 1939 2nd flotilla. But even the training missions won't start.

If you can not even start a training naval mission there is an error with your mod installation.

[Skarmy]

If you can not even start a training naval mission there is an error with your mod installation.




No, there is not a problem with my mod installation. I've tried activating just WAC 5.01 and it works, but when I activate WAC 5.01 and 5.2 it fails to load. How can there be a problem with my mod installation when those are the only 2 mods I've activated with JSGME?

[Anvar1061]

No, there is not a problem with my mod installation. I've tried activating just WAC 5.01 and it works, but when I activate WAC 5.01 and 5.2 it fails to load. How can there be a problem with my mod installation when those are the only 2 mods I've activated with JSGME?
Did you activate in the selector 4Gb Patch?

[Fifi]

No, there is not a problem with my mod installation. I've tried activating just WAC 5.01 and it works, but when I activate WAC 5.01 and 5.2 it fails to load. How can there be a problem with my mod installation when those are the only 2 mods I've activated with JSGME?

Try to activate WAC 5.2 on top of WAC 5.0 (not WAC 5.1)
It should work with those only 2 mods.

[J0313]

No, there is not a problem with my mod installation. I've tried activating just WAC 5.01 and it works, but when I activate WAC 5.01 and 5.2 it fails to load. How can there be a problem with my mod installation when those are the only 2 mods I've activated with JSGME?

YES, there is a problem with your install. You aren't suppose to use 5.1. Just 5.0 and the 5.2 patch.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Look forward to trying this out :up:

[Skarmy]

Is there a GUI that works with WAC 5.2 that is 1360x768 resolution? I used MaGui, but it doesn't seem to be compatible with 5.2

[Anvar1061]

Is there a GUI that works with WAC 5.2 that is 1360x768 resolution? I used MaGui, but it doesn't seem to be compatible with 5.2
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Confused.gif
On what parameters?

[Skarmy]

:k_confused:
On what parameters?




I got MaGUI working. Is the game supposed to take a long time to load? It loads, but it takes 5-10 minutes to do it and I'm not used to that since I have a SSD :P

[Anvar1061]

I got MaGUI working. Is the game supposed to take a long time to load? It loads, but it takes 5-10 minutes to do it and I'm not used to that since I have a SSD :P

I loaded 15 minutes, but it's much faster GWX_Reworked_Rus!

[Filo$off]

I thank the developers for such a wonderful mod! It would be very good to adapt to the existing interface mods several mods with an interface with the native resolution of the game. For example, the interfaces of MagUI or OLC 127. Not everybody happy to use GWX interface. I find it very inconvenient and would prefer to use the standard game interface with the features provided by this wonderful mod. I understand that it is a very big job to add an interface compatible with the mod. I tried to adapt interfaces with torpedo firing buttons at the top of the screen for this mod, but my knowledge of this is not enough.Sorry, for my English.

[Anvar1061]

I thank the developers for such a wonderful mod! It would be very good to adapt to the existing interface mods several mods with an interface with the native resolution of the game. For example, the interfaces of MagUI or OLC 127. Not everybody happy to use GWX interface. I find it very inconvenient and would prefer to use the standard game interface with the features provided by this wonderful mod. I understand that it is a very big job to add an interface compatible with the mod. I tried to adapt interfaces with torpedo firing buttons at the top of the screen for this mod, but my knowledge of this is not enough.Sorry, for my English.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Wink.gif
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2582848&postcount=1178

[Filo$off]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Wink.gif
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2582848&postcount=1178

Thank you very much, captain. Especially for the speed of response. This interface is just what I need. Happy swimming.

[Niume]

when will we get stiebler patch for wac ? I am struggling to install it myself.

[HanSolo78]

@Niume

That can take some time... I just deleted SH3 from my PC because I have to build a new PC.

[Wolfcat]

I remember old WAC, you can move around inside the sub. Do the latest patch have sub interiors?

[J0313]

How can you change the map contacts to all black?

[ericlea]

I remember old WAC, you can move around inside the sub. Do the latest patch have sub interiors?




:Kaleun_Wink: http://www.mediafire.com/file/jlrdsd6c6js4z1d/WAC5.0+Full_Interior.7z


compatible with wac5.2 but not play together with a widegui mod


:Kaleun_Cheers:

[ericlea]

How can you change the map contacts to all black?


:Kaleun_Wink: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3o1s1qm495coi70/black%20contacts.7z?dl=0


activate with jsgme


Now, all contacts (visible, radio, radar, hydrophon) at F5 map are black.

(visible contacts only, color will appear if you zoom at maximum)


:Kaleun_Cheers:

[J0313]

:Kaleun_Wink: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3o1s1qm495coi70/black%20contacts.7z?dl=0


activate with jsgme


Now, all contacts (visible, radio, radar, hydrophon) at F5 map are black.

(visible contacts only, color will appear if you zoom at maximum)


:Kaleun_Cheers:
Thank You.

[Wolfcat]

Oh, i see full interior can't go with wide screen gui. Btw, is there a way to fix this? Or the game is simply too old to handle it. I mean perhaps we can have a ship lite mod that reduces available classes of ships loaded in campaign. Some smaller ships like sampans, who care about those? I would rather have both wide screen and full interior than having those kinds of ships.

[Wolfcat]

I am having some issue with patching it with Hsie's core fix. It kept saying "no compatible version found" even though I followed the instructions to the letter.
Should I patch it with Hsie's patch before activating WAC? But the instructions say do it afterward. Also, should I let Hsie' patch activate 4gb mod or should I activate the mod separately?

[Wolfcat]

My WAC 5.2 loads ok. I can play academy without any issues. Just single missions and museum take forever to load. Single missions hang around 95% while museum's progressive bar can reach 100, but just sit there for ages. Am I getting a crash or just they take long time to load? What is your average load time?

[Niume]

WEll for me campaign tooks about 12 minutes to load

[ericlea]

WEll for me campaign tooks about 12 minutes to load


by me 8 minutes :)

[Wolfcat]

Both of you are using SSD? If you are using SSD then it will prolly take me 30 min to load on regular HD.

[Anvar1061]

VIIC/41 VIIC/42 SH3 Commander

https://pp.userapi.com/c851528/v851528998/c8738/qD-aPDS7szA.jpg


http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Wink.gif

http://shmf.larsbundgaard.dk/Smileys/extended/download.gif (http://www.mediafire.com/file/ddz86nt52rram76/VIIC41-42+SH3+Commander.7z)
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Salute-1.gif

[Niume]

Both of you are using SSD? If you are using SSD then it will prolly take me 30 min to load on regular HD.
NOPE A OLD HDD

[Wolfcat]

I need a bit help on RAOBF wheel in WAC. I was trained to use the wheel at x12 magnification. But WAC using Ahnenerbe Wide Gui, the magnification can only go up to x6. I tried to use x12-x6 conversion calculation, the tick-marks seem to be off on the periscope. So just wonder how do you all use RAOBF wheel under the current version of WAC? Or should I switch to Mano wide gui instead of Ahnenerbe?

[ericlea]

:Kaleun_Wink: http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2587933&postcount=36

+ small fast use raobf discs tutorial : http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2590082&postcount=45

[Wolfcat]

:Kaleun_Wink: http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2587933&postcount=36

+ small fast use raobf discs tutorial : http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2590082&postcount=45

Nice, I'll try your suggestion. Btw, I couldn't find the TDC on/off switch at attack or observation periscopes. I only saw it at TDC/Map(F6) station. So under WAC, I need jump back and forth between periscope and TDC station?

[ericlea]

You have to activate the mod :


Optimized ARB-Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920x1080 for WAC5.2

I give you the same link again :
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=239167


all is inside and of course TDC On/Off button at periscope F3 view, Obs periscope view and uzo view !


if you have questions about this mod, please go to the topic's mod


:Kaleun_Cheers:

[ericlea]

Preview :

SH3 WAC5.2 (Black Sea Campaign): navigation buoys + full interior Type II (with opti ARB widegui)







https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=116&v=iFPk6Vy_u8k

[Van der Graaf]

Hi all :03:
First of all I wanted to thank HanSolo and every one else who was included in the process of creating this great mod! Spending your free time on making SH3 even better.
It's my first post on this forum, and I've been playing SH3 a little way back in my childhood when game came out, so it was more arcade-ish approach in my edition :p2: and now it's pleasure rediscovering this game, with mods, more knowledge, learning about tactics, RAOBF and all that stuff.
Also wanted to thank Eric for the tutorial of installation, and although it's in french, with transaltor it wasn't too big hassle :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
After a little of reading forums and testing, I ended up with such a list so far:

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[C:\Gry\SH3-WAC\MODS]

WarAceCampaign 5.0
WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch_5.2
Complete Sound for WAC5
black contacts
Musique Menu Gwx
M.E.P v6
Optional - FSF for MEP v6
Optional - ShipVanishingHull for MEP v6
Optional - Zoomable Free Camera
M.E.P v6 - VisualSensors for WAC v5.2
WAC5.2 H.sie Supplement to V16B1
EnvSimAct_10
Optimized ARB-Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920x1080 for WAC5

Seems to be working fine, but if someone more expirienced could take a look and tell if it makes sense I would be grateful, as I myself have only started journey with modding SH3.
Only to mention that I had bug with black terrain textures, even after using terrain.act file from Anvar, so I had to remove Detaile.tga file, as I couldn't even open it without error, and now coloured grounds are back :) maybe the fact that I have Radeon GPU is the reason :hmmm:
Too pity that full interiors can't be used simultaneously with optimized ARB gui :( tried them both in naval academy and it looked great! I see Eric, that you can run them both in black sea video, but I guess thats because of the smaller campaign files? so it's lighter for ram?
I was wondering would it be possible to make something like a "Full Interiors - Light"? Where it would contain only enhanced: command room, tower and radio room; just like vanilla game does. Maybe that way it would be lightweight enought for RAM to fit in 4 gigs restrictions of 32-bit SH3.

Anyway, thanks for great work again and I'm awed seeing how people still improve this game :salute:

[ericlea]

Hi Van Der Graaf !


:)

Welcome to Subsim ! :Kaleun_Cheers: :subsim:


I am happy if my tutorial was able to help you :-)



Your mods list is very nice !


You are right : full interior + opti ARB widegui (or another widegui) eats too much ram.


Black sea Campaign is smaller (costs less of RAM) but in more Hansolo had to reduce animations in the interior of the type II (in particular motor engines). So it works together with Opti ARB widegui ! :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
In the pleasure !


Eric

[Wolfcat]

Hey Eric, just a quick question. The optimized ARB widegui and ARB for WAC 5.2 are two different things? Right now I have ARB widegui for WAC 5.2 installed, but I couldn't see TDC switch in periscope stations. Also, I couldn't go up to X12 on my scopes with "ctrl+mouse wheel" command.

[ericlea]

"WAC5.2 WideScreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe" is almost the same mod than "Optimized ARB-Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920x1080 for WAC5"

but...not optimized :)
that is why you don't have theese enhencements...

For me (and i am not alone) best widegui choice for wac5.2 is :

Optimized ARB-Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920x1080 for WAC5 :
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=239167


all is included !


:-)

[Wolfcat]

So going back to widegui and full interior issue, are we pretty much hitting a wall due to the limitation of this old game? Hsie can't make another patch to go up to 8gb, right?

[ericlea]

limit for 32 bit is 4g ram no more :-(

[Wolfcat]

That's pity. Perhaps we can try a different route. How about cut down the grand campaign into 5 smaller pieces: Arctic, North Atlantic & North Sea region, North Atlantic/American eastern seaboard, Mid Atlantic and Southern Atlantic? You can start a career in different region separately. Also anything other than North Atlantic/North Sea region, you spawn on patrol with less fuel to account for the fuel consumed in transit.

Just another weird issue. I was doing torpedo lesson in the academy in a Type VII. I surfaced, stopped and restarted my engine, but only port side propeller is working. The starboard side just doesn't spin at all. I tried full back then full ahead flank, the propeller just doesn't work. However the not spinning propeller doesn't seem to affect anything. Is this because I use the customized skins that came with WAC 5.2? I have never seen this issue before.

[ericlea]

A lot of campaign divisions = complications. and in more animations must be shoot down...

once we are used to full interior and when we really play we rarely walk around...

not easy with only 4g ram...


An engine recharges batteries, the other is for the speed. then the uboat have less speed as normal. when batteries are full, the 2 engines work normally and the speed is ok. you can desactive batteries recharging to have immediately your 2 engines and normal speed. but be careful to the batteries for diving, must not be empty ^^

[Wolfcat]

Oh, I see. Thanks for the tip. Btw, where can I see if my diesel engine is overheating? I ran on flanking speed on surface for a while then my engine is damaged.

[Niume]

You are using every bit of your engine while using flank speed so engines after few hours get damaged.

[HanSolo78]

@van der Graf & Wolfcat

I already worked on some of your ideas like splitting the campaign files inro different aereas. Also splitted them into different years. Unfortunately this made no big difference. Sure there were some memory improvements but like ericlea says. It will get a bit difficult to get the correct campaign.
Maybe you also noticed that I already outsourced the mediterranean campaign.
I aslo tried to split the interiors in my hope to use less RAM but the main memory is used by the activated interior.
Maybe it is possible to delete rooms to get at least some more rooms. As you say.. interior light.
I will try your way in the next months..
First the release of the black sea campaign. Then other things can be my target :ping:

[Wolfcat]

@Han
Thank you very much for the education and your great mod. This is the best mod I have played so far. Perhaps we can request those Widegui authors to help optimize their mods to reduce ram usage a bit. Wir lieben dich. Du bist unser Held!!!

Oh one more quick question. My game always crashes when I am exiting the game. Have you seen this before? It is not a great deal because I can simply "ctrl+alt+del" and kill it by force. But just curious if it is just my own issue.

[Wolfcat]

You are using every bit of your engine while using flank speed so engines after few hours get damaged.

Yeah, but I am looking for some indications for upcoming engine failure. some gauge or a crew report or something like that. Cuz sometimes when you chase your target on high TC and forget about your engine setting then "boom" engine damaged.

[ivanov.ruslan]

It should be with H.sie patch kit recived such warning ,i think

[Wolfcat]

Another weird thing. I am using the Optimized ARB widegui now. Everything works fine except I cannot reliable get the Attack Disc to show up. Sometimes I move my mouse cursor to the top, it would show up, sometimes it wouldn't. Is there a shortcut key to make Attack Disc show up?

[ericlea]

:Kaleun_Wink: http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2585968&postcount=27

[Van der Graaf]

I have a question, bcuz I didn't find information about it in manual. How does the fatigue system work in WAC? is it a stock SH3 system, or maybe something custom and if so, what are the specifics of it? Thanks in advance for info ;)
Han, it would be great if you could make a light version of interiors, but I know you have priorites ;)

[Wolfcat]

:Kaleun_Wink: http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2585968&postcount=27

Thanks, Eric. I know how to use Attack Dis and the 3rd disc in your pictures. I don't know how to the 2nd disc and that black disc. Where can I get some instructions on those 2 tools?

[Anvar1061]

Thanks, Eric. I know how to use Attack Dis and the 3rd disc in your pictures. I don't know how to the 2nd disc and that black disc. Where can I get some instructions on those 2 tools?
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Wink.gif
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2304236&postcount=1

[Wolfcat]

Nice. Thanks. Is there a systematic post that explains all the discs? I find many of them are very useful under manual targeting.

[Aktungbby]

MarkOsw!:Kaleun_Salute:

[Wolfcat]

It feels like that the ship traffic is too high than the actual real life experience. On my first patrol, I was able to score 25k tons; way above any of the real life aces. My torpedo shots were actually terrible, I only scored 3 solid hits on any ships. But abundantly available ships allowed me to spend torpedoes selectively on big ships and leave smaller ones to the gun. I also spent all ammo in the first 3-4 days of the patrol and sunk about 11 ships (big and small). If you put Otto Kretschmer and Gunther Prien into this game, they would have prolly scored 10 million tons each by the end of the war. I think in the real life ship traffic was really sparse in a vast ocean like Atlantic. And that's why convoy system is so effective avoiding u-boats.

[ericlea]

It is a simulation but it is thirst a game :-)

Play at 100% difficulty....

[Wolfcat]

The only option I did not check was "no external view" for movie making purpose. My point is that in a struggle to free up memory so that we can bring in full interior, perhaps we can sacrifice some shipping traffic. Lighter traffic is closer to reality anyway.

[ericlea]

Lighter trafic will be not enough to have widegui + full interior.
http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2594620&postcount=1332

[Wolfcat]

I am having a little sound issue. Sometimes the sound of bad weather and howling wind just won't go away even if I go submerged 100 meters. It would stick with me even if the bad weather went away. Is it because I don't have the sound mod for WAC?

[ericlea]

I very rarely encounter this problem with the mod "complete sound for wac5"
:Kaleun_Wink:https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3myq46vh3c73n9/Complete%20Sound%20for%20WAC5.7z?dl=1

[ericlea]

Black Sea Preview : Constanta



https://youtu.be/bcFWZGYzXsw

[ThePrody]

:Kaleun_Salivating:

[Wolfcat]

I very rarely encounter this problem with the mod "complete sound for wac5"
:Kaleun_Wink:https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3myq46vh3c73n9/Complete%20Sound%20for%20WAC5.7z?dl=1

Thanks, Eric, You always been helpful. Let's see if you can help me with this one. Sometimes, my sonar officer report "no sound contact" even though the ship is closeby. I think the problem is especially true when you have periscope up.

[ericlea]

Perhaps novice operator, not veteran. Or ship is mooving very slow...

[Wolfcat]

I used an officer with radioman qualification. It was a destroyer traveling at 11knts.

[chipsranger]

Is there any fix for the insistent wheeze on the built-in audio?

amb_OceanSkyline

:Kaleun_Mad:

[Wolfcat]

I did a mid-night Scapa Flow raid. Here are some interesting findings:

1. When I entered the bay from northern channel on the east side, there were 4 wreck merchant ships. However, when I got close, I was immediately detected. The whole harbor was alerted and star shells were flying everywhere. My crew screaming we were under attack even though there was no one shooting at us

2. When I entered the bay from southern channel on the east side, there was no blocking wreckage. I was able to enter the harbor undetected.

Now here is an interesting question: are those wreck ships true dead?

[ericlea]

Hi, wreck ships are considered by the game as static harmless ennemy units. But be carefull black pearl's spirit is alive inside. No one must interrupt his sleep.... :-)

[ThePrody]

Is there any fix for the insistent wheeze on the built-in audio?

amb_OceanSkyline

:Kaleun_Mad:
i'm using a simple version of that file, totally non-obtrusive , i uploaded it here :
https://www.sendspace.com/file/6uosy0


I also have an edited version of that big file with only a couple of wheezing, try it out :


https://www.sendspace.com/file/dtz9a6

[Wolfcat]

Hi, wreck ships are considered by the game as static harmless ennemy units. But be carefull black pearl's spirit is alive inside. No one must interrupt his sleep.... :-)

If I hit it with a torpedo, would they truely die?:haha: I have a suggestion. Maybe we can change their allegiance to neutral (someone who never participated in WWII, maybe Argentina or Brazil). So instead of having harmless enemy unit, you have harmless neutral unit. And they won't alert your presence to anyone like a true dead static object.

[chipsranger]

i'm using a simple version of that file, totally non-obtrusive , i uploaded it here :
https://www.sendspace.com/file/6uosy0


I also have an edited version of that big file with only a couple of wheezing, try it out :


https://www.sendspace.com/file/dtz9a6

Ok I'll take the test
Thank you

:Kaleun_Salute:

[chipsranger]

The sound of torpedo tube openings in this mod almost did not give houvir.

Ja in LSH3 2015 I listen perfectly.

:timeout:

[Wolfcat]

I just tried again. I am pretty sure there is a bug with AI sonar man. Whenever you have periscope up, he would report no sound contact. Please do check on it. I don't remember seeing it in vanilla version. Maybe an issue brought in by Hsie's patch, but not sure.

[chipsranger]

It has some mod that limits to the quantity of allied ships or to diminish the traffic the game of much leg during the patrols due to many allied ships.

:hmmm:

[ericlea]

I just tried again. I am pretty sure there is a bug with AI sonar man. Whenever you have periscope up, he would report no sound contact. Please do check on it. I don't remember seeing it in vanilla version. Maybe an issue brought in by Hsie's patch, but not sure.

Hi, i will test that :-)

[Van der Graaf]

Question, is it some known and common bug that when I come close to some ports I see smoke on the horizon and then as I look closer with freecam I see that some of the ships are burning? They seem to be rotated at wrong angle or placed too close to the pier and as a result get destroyed.

[Wolfcat]

Hi, i will test that :-)

Thanks. Please use a warship.

[Wolfcat]

Question, is it some known and common bug that when I come close to some ports I see smoke on the horizon and then as I look closer with freecam I see that some of the ships are burning? They seem to be rotated at wrong angle or placed too close to the pier and as a result get destroyed.

This has been discussed before. When you are within 50km of a harbor, you CANNOT use time compression higher than x8. I usually draw a 50km circle around any major harbors/ports. Zoom in on your map. If you see black piers, that's a major harbor. Put a circle around to remind yourself.

[Van der Graaf]

woah, 50 km and 8x time compression, it will take a moment to get there :P
thank you for the info ;)

[Fifi]

You will experience this even at TC 1... no way to avoid this bug (here at least).
It’s Wilhelmshaven harbor issue, but not others harbors it seems.

[Wolfcat]

You will experience this even at TC 1... no way to avoid this bug (here at least).
It’s Wilhelmshaven harbor issue, but not others harbors it seems.

That's untrue for my install at least. I did it for Copenhagen, Kristiansand and Heligoland. Both of them had burning ships and huge plumes of smoke. X8 works for me in Wilhelmshaven. However, I found sometimes when you reload a save in Wilhelmshave, you will see random explosions around harbor, but no huge plume of smoke and no visible damage after the explosion. What I usually do is get out of harbor as quickly as possible and go full speed at X8 TC until I clear of the 50km mark. Then I will save. Oh btw, I did NOT activate Christmas harbor and late war harbor mods. Not sure if those would have any effects.

[ericlea]

Hi,

Drift ice mod (from jpb) :

https://www.designmodproject.de/forum/modding-silent-hunter-3/1328508-rel-drift-ice-treibeis

:-)

[chipsranger]

Would it have some mod that decreases the number of Allied ships (neutral)? The game stops a lot or falls to the desktop.

[ericlea]

If you have ram problem, try the second widegui mod (it is the same but lighted so eats less ram)

:Kaleun_Wink: http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=57475&view=findpost&p=438940

[chipsranger]

If you have ram problem, try the second widegui mod (it is the same but lighted so eats less ram)

:Kaleun_Wink: http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=57475&view=findpost&p=438940


Optimized ARB-Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920x1080 for WAC5 should really consume lots of ram.
My PC:
AMD FX 8350
SSD 240
16GB DDR3 RAM
NVIDIA GTX 1070

with this configuration sh3 drops to desktop in a time compression 32
:hmmm:

[ericlea]

It is especially "full map" (included in the mod) wich eats RAM. But it goes well everywhere except in the big port of wilhelmshaven (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=wilhelmshaven&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZxPvf_PzgAhXK1uAKHefHC7gQkeECCCooAA&biw=1920&bih=1058)


:Kaleun_Cheers:

[Wolfcat]

Some of the data in the recognition manual is not accurate, especially the mast height number. The default vanilla ships are ok, only those custom added ships. Perhaps, some are based on chimney height rather than mast. For example, large cargo. If i use the mast top, my range is about 2000 meters off all the time.

[Wolfcat]

I am on patrol 5. Some post action thoughts:

1. Sonar officer is sooo bad. Especially when asked to track warships. There are multiple times, the warship close by, you can clearly hear it loud on hydrophone, but your sonar guy just keeps saying no contact. One time it reports it can hear merchant ships 4km away but can't hear a warship traveling at 20kts at less than 1km away. He has all the metals up to iron class 1st class, promoted to senior and has radioman qualification, but still can't do his job right. (However, it may be a Hsie's mod issue not WAC issue)

2. U-boat's starshells fall too quickly: it seems regardless of your gun elevation, the starshells would pop at about the same height and quickly fall into the water. It is practically useless.

3. Torpedo: it seems side-impact hits are more powerful than under-keel explosion. My Scapa Flow raid, first try, I hit the battleship with 4 under-keel hits, but the ship didn't sink. 2nd try, I hit it with 3 side impact, it exploded in a giant fireball. Also, early war period, if you set contact fuse, it will reliably go too deep, but if you set magnetic fuse, it is not as bad.

4. Early war destroyers: I am pretty sure these ships are not equipped with ASDIC (at least I didn't hear any pinging sound). Somehow it can still accurately locate deep diving sub on silent running and at full stop. The first pass, I side-stepped the ship at pretty wide margin and depth charges fell pretty far behind. I went full stop on the last depth charge explosion at 150 meters deep. The 2nd pass, the destroyer turned and went directly on top of me. I maneuvered out of the position and 3rd pass the ship still found me and went on top of me again.

5. Too many friendly contact messages: Do I ever care about some destroyers departing Wilhelmshaven? (This may be Hsie's mod issue)

6. Shipping traffic too high: historically most u-boats came home empty-handed, not because their skippers sucked or their torpedoes failed. They simply couldn't find any targets. Here, I pretty much used up all my torpedoes before reaching designated patrol zone. The first mission I was patrolling in Baltic against Poles. I saw streams of polish ships and convoys escaping, many are very close to Germany's coast and even protected by polish air force. I mean seriously? What is Luftwaffe doing? What about Kriegsmarine's surface ships? No one cares about them besides a few u-boats?

7. Night vision bombers: in my Scapa Flow raid, the moment I hit my target, you start hearing swordfish bombers overhead. Without any flares or star shells, they immediately dived and bombed me. How did they see me? I wasn't moving and there was no wake in pitch darkness. They have night vision goggles?

8. Some special mission's instructions are vague and confusing. There was one that sounded like those secret supply ships/commerce raiders are passing Faroe narrows to head back to Germany. But it didn't give specific coordinates or date/time. It just says on "10.02". What's that supposed to mean? It definitely doesn't mean date because I am in February.

9. Game stability: 5.2 is way better than 5.0. I don't experience any in-mission crashes. The only crash I experience is at mission-loading stage. At early game, it rarely crashes. As the my campaign progresses, the crashes become more frequent. Now I would say I am crashing about 1/3 times at mission loading. Should I delete some of the old saves?

10, Can we put some beard onto the first Watch Officer? After months at sea, he is still so cleanly shaved.

Those are my observation so far. Will report back when I have more infor. Overall, the mod is great.

[chipsranger]

Optimized ARB-Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920x1080 for WAC5 should really consume lots of ram.
My PC:
AMD FX 8350
SSD 240
16GB DDR3 RAM
NVIDIA GTX 1070

with this configuration sh3 drops to desktop in a time compression 32
:06:

[ericlea]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2596391&postcount=1372

[ericlea]

Wolfcat,


Thank you for your very good report. It can be usefull for futur wac5.3


:Kaleun_Cheers:

[chipsranger]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2596391&postcount=1372

It has been tested and not resolved

[ericlea]

Your mods list
Date, location, uboat type

With second widegui, normally no ctd because no ram problem.
Wac5.2 + widegui has been tested by many players. It is stable !
Problem can come from your installation or your mods list...

[chipsranger]

Your mods list
Date, location, uboat type

With second widegui, normally no ctd because no ram problem.
Wac5.2 + widegui has been tested by many players. It is stable !
Problem can come from your installation or your mods list...


WarAceCampaign 5.0
WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch_5.2

(V16B1-Patch Kit Applied sh3.exe)

WAC5.2 H.sie Supplement to V16B1
(Applied sh3.exe)

Optimized ARB-Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920x1080 for WAC5
(Applied sh3.exe in Full Map and Chrono Patch)

DKruger Ofaces Das BooT Correction

Running HsieOptionsSelector

[ericlea]

Location, date, uboat type ?

Try with : Optimized WAC5.2 WideScreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe (alone without full map)
http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=57475&view=findpost&p=438940

[chipsranger]

Location, date, uboat type ?

Try with : Optimized WAC5.2 WideScreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe (alone without full map)
http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=57475&view=findpost&p=438940

The problem is not the Ahnenerbe GUI but the number of neutral ships in the mod (WAC) when it is used a time comprehension of maximum 32 mainly in ports falls to windows 10 desktop (with everything as administrator)
I see that this mod is very loaded.
I think it would look better on a last-generation Intel processor.
Note: More if there was a small mod to reduce the traffic of neutral ships would not fall more to the windows desktop. :up:

My settings:
AMD FX 8350
240GB SSD
16 GB DDR3 DUAL RAM
NVIDIA GTX 1070

[Wolfcat]

Interesting, I didn't have Wilhelmshaven explosion problem in patrol 1-3. Now I am having it even when I do x8 tc. The harbor is too crowded.:haha:

Btw, the recognition manual doesn't have enemy submarine info. So where do I find enemy sub info?

[HanSolo78]

@Wolfcat

Many thx for your feedback.
Some things to clearify...

1.
Programming and testing sensors of SH3 is very time consuming. To test other settings simply copy sensors.cfg and sim.cfg from Cfg folder. Maybe the changes fit better.
But it has to be tested in many situations.

2.
Ship traffic or harbour traffic can be stipped down easily. I can show here if you want, so you can make a light version.

3.
Air atracks are controlled by airbase.cfg in Cfg folder.

4.
The radio traffic is mainly optimized in german. Please give specific information which date undetailed mission orders arrived.

5.
CTD at loading savegames has been an issue from the beginning but it increased with the amount of data in SH3. Remember.. this game is from 2005!

6.
Feel free to change the watch officer skin. There are many in maiks SH3 archive.

7.
Friendly radio reports are necessary to participate in german operations like 'Weserübung'. To get immersion and give the opportunity to meet the germam homefleet or support ships, watch battles of german warships.

8.
Starshells were created in that way by Kendras. Deel free to use the default ones.

[Wolfcat]

@Hans

For 1, I don't think it's sensor issue. I think sensors are working fine. Just AI is stupid. AI is not reporting contact even though you can hear it on sonar yourself.

For 5, if I delete old saves, would that help to reduce amount of data to load? Also, I found out that if you do "save and exit". That save would have high probability of crashing. Normal saves are ok.

Oh, btw, are you aware that a lot of ship dimension data in recognition manual is inaccurate? Some of the ones I noticed are: Converted whale factory, pyreous ammo ship etc. Also where to find ship dimension data for enemy submarines?

[Belmondo]

Hi, I sank a battleship and an Aircraft Carrier at once. Altogether torpedoes and escorts, I was not looking for anything at all

[Wolfcat]

Weird bug. When I return to base and quit the patrol, it says I am dead. :doh: And I cannot continue the campaign any more. I am on patrol 7 btw.

[Wolfcat]

Does it matter in which order I activate the SH3 commander? Or I can activate it at the end of the list?

[chipsranger]

@Wolfcat

Many thx for your feedback.
Some things to clearify...

1.
Programming and testing sensors of SH3 is very time consuming. To test other settings simply copy sensors.cfg and sim.cfg from Cfg folder. Maybe the changes fit better.
But it has to be tested in many situations.

2.
Ship traffic or harbour traffic can be stipped down easily. I can show here if you want, so you can make a light version.

3.
Air atracks are controlled by airbase.cfg in Cfg folder.

4.
The radio traffic is mainly optimized in german. Please give specific information which date undetailed mission orders arrived.

5.
CTD at loading savegames has been an issue from the beginning but it increased with the amount of data in SH3. Remember.. this game is from 2005!

6.
Feel free to change the watch officer skin. There are many in maiks SH3 archive.

7.
Friendly radio reports are necessary to participate in german operations like 'Weserübung'. To get immersion and give the opportunity to meet the germam homefleet or support ships, watch battles of german warships.

8.
Starshells were created in that way by Kendras. Deel free to use the default ones.


2. Ship traffic or port traffic can be easily toppled. I can show here if you want, so you can make a light version.

As?

:hmmm:

[HanSolo78]

Ok.. here a small manual how to decrease traffic in SH3:

1. Make a backup of all campaign files to some other destination

2. Execute the Mission Editor and open the file Campaign_RND.mis in /data/Campaigns/Campaign/

3. Have a look at the group tree marked in this picture: (of course each random campaign file has different group names)
https://abload.de/thumb/1vmky4.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=1vmky4.jpg)

Choose your desired group (single units or groups)

4. Take your chosen group and right mouse button, then open "Group Properties"
https://abload.de/thumb/2avjr0.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2avjr0.jpg)

5. Here most important are 2 data sets (Repeat Interval & Group Spawn Propability):

https://abload.de/thumb/3acjfi.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=3acjfi.jpg)

6. Increase "Repeat Interval" to decrease traffic or decrease "Group Spawn Propability"

7.In the menu "Define Group Contents" there is also the possability to set the spawn propability in each group and you can add or delete units from a group:
https://abload.de/thumb/4kpkmi.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=4kpkmi.jpg)

8.Choose "Save RND Layer as..." in Mission Editor and overwrite old files or.. like I do... just make a small mod with the new campaign files and activate with JSGME
https://abload.de/thumb/5vhjff.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=5vhjff.jpg)

[ericlea]

:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up::Kaleun_Applaud::Kaleun_Cheers:

[Wolfcat]

@hans

So it sounds like you need start a campaign first and do the operations on that particular campaign? Did I get the idea right? Btw, can you tell which order (in the JSGME) I should install SH3 commander light for WAC? Or it doesn't matter where I put that mod? I can't proceed with my current campaign with this "death on patrol exit" issue.

[XenonSurf]

Does WAC have wolfpack AI subs that can support the player in combatting convoys?

Thanks,

[ericlea]

Hi,
Yes it is included in the campaign file and it works. You only have to install h.sie patch.

[XenonSurf]

Hi,
Yes it is included in the campaign file and it works. You only have to install h.sie patch.


That's awesome, thanks for your reply!
:Kaleun_Cheers:

[Wolfcat]

I am trying to get sh3 commander to work in WAC. So I activated sh3 commander for WAC in JSGM. But do I need install the Commander separately? I don't see much instruction about how to get commander to work so please help me.

[ericlea]

Yes you install another jsgme in sh3 commander folder. That will create another MODS folder in sh3 commander folder too. Place "WAC_5.0_CommanderMod" in this MODS folder. Finaly with this new jsgme activate "WAC_5.0_CommanderMod" mod.

http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=57475&view=findpost&p=438926

[Progrocker]

No chance to have the Pacific/Indian ocean campaign (Penang base) added for IXD2 subs in the future? :hmmm:

[tomandre81]

Hi, I tested your WAC campaign and I liked what I saw.
Sadly I can't stand the uber long loading times and it's random CTD, so now I have started making my own compilation of mods.

So far so good, haven't CTD in 3 days.

But I am wondering if you could list the mods used? I especially liked the explosion / fire and damage you used.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

[zeus]

Is it necessary to start un August 1939 with sh3 comander 3.2?
When I start in september ctd.
Is the sh3 comander 3.2 compatible with WAC 5.2?

[Fifi]

Is it necessary to start un August 1939 with sh3 comander 3.2?
When I start in september ctd.
Is the sh3 comander 3.2 compatible with WAC 5.2?

Not necessary to start in 39. Start any date you want.
Yes it’s compatible with 5.2.
Just make sure to start same flotilla you’ve chosen in Commander than in WAC career screen :yep:

[Wolfcat]

Just out of my experience to help random crashes:

1. Loading from "Before mission" saves usually leads to crash. I only load from in-patrol saves or "After mission" saves

2. My HD goes into sleep after a few minutes of inactivity. I always moves my mouse from time to time to keep it from going into sleep. I found that helps out a lot.

3. When you quit in the middle of a patrol using "save and exit patrol". That save is often corrupted somehow. So for every patrol, I always have 3 normal saves and one called "dump" that I do "save and exit" on. So next time I reload my patrol, I always load the one above "dump"

My load usually takes about 6-7 minutes (the red progressive bar). If there is a crash during loading, it would always be between 70% and 75%. If it passes the 75% mark, I know that I would definitely get a good load. So around 70% I would move mouse around more actively to prevent HD going into sleep or idle mode.

[padi]

The Evarts and Somers Classes aren´t using either their hydrophone or their ASDIC.
You could reproduce this by going into the editor, placing the ship and a submerged sub a few hundred meters in front of it.
You could go ahead flank without being noticed. After I went to the surface to be spotted and submerged when they fired on me the ship is dropping DCs on the exakt position and in very shallow depth where I submerged and is still not using hydrophone or ASDIC.
I tested this in every year of the war with only WAC 5.0 and the Patch to 5.2 activated...

And the Fletcher class is converted to the DCRack_SH4, but has the node positioning from the DCRack which leads to wrong positioning...

[York2016]

I seem to have a wierd problem with my install. For some reason my patrols keep getting cut short because i somehow collide with nothing and sink. There was no contacts anywhere in my vicinity when it happened (No ships, and Britain hadnt yet declared war on Germany so aircraft arent a problem. There was no land nearby either that was intersecting with my route) but yet i died unless my watchmen are THAT incompetent and didnt sight a ship about to collide right into us and drop us out of time compression.

I was just on my way to my patrol route, i had just passed by a neutral ship and submarine heading the opposite direction (they were 10km east of my position, heading southeast while i was heading northwest) and they had completely exited my watchmen's sight range. I start using time compression again and then...sunk somehow, due to a collision.

Combine that with the 5-8 minute loading times and you can probably understand why it can be frustrating...

When the mod does work, its quite great though. Dont get me wrong :P

[ybar]

Did not it happen to you too, to find that despite a good calculation of your AOB, the torpedoes did not reach their target?

To check for errors, download the "ALLIES-02" mission (to be placed in "\ data \ SingleMissions \ English")
The 10 tankers will go to exactly 2,000 m at the bearing 315 (the AOB angle must be 45 °)


https://www.dropbox.com/s/hottew365n85rru/ALLIES-02.zip?dl=0


You will find other errors in the ships that follow this 1st ship:

By moving the ring of the disk RAOBF on 20 (20 hectometres) and on 45 (AOB) one finds the good values
I hope these errors will disappear soon in a future update.

PS) Calculations in yellow (Ratio Reel/Observed) are indicated for the players who do not want to use the disk RAOBF


Picture tanker Empire celt corrected (with calculs)
EmpireCelt-corrected.jpg (https://public.joomeo.com/files/5cd7bbdda79dc)

Picture mission:
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[Wolfcat]

@york, Was your sudden death cause by under water mines? Just my guess. One time I was fooling around near English channel and suddenly died without warning. Later I reload and went back and saw there were mines there.

@ybar, I agree with you the info in recognition manual has a lot of fubar. I even started to collect my own data. Most errors are in those ships that added by mods. I find the info for those ships in the original vanilla game are mostly correct.

[geosub1978]

Hi! I had a fresh install of WAC5 together with MAGUI for WAC5 yesterday and it seems that the TDC panel on the OBS periscope refuses to slide out by mouse clicking. Has anybody experienced the same problem before? A possible fix maybe? Thank you!

[zeus]

Why is the officer alway on alert mode?

[padi]

Yesterday I switched from Win 7 to Win 10 and now I´m unable to get WAC working…
The menu and bureau are working, but when I want to load a training, mission or campaign the game crashes without a screen...
Is the mod incompatible to Win 10?
Reinstalling SH3 didn´t help, neither new mod files...
Any advise?

Thanks

[Anvar1061]

Yesterday I switched from Win 7 to Win 10 and now I´m unable to get WAC working…
The menu and bureau are working, but when I want to load a training, mission or campaign the game crashes without a screen...
Is the mod incompatible to Win 10?
Reinstalling SH3 didn´t help, neither new mod files...
Any advise?

Thanks
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Wink.gif
http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57475

[padi]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Wink.gif
http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57475

Thanks, stupidly I forgot the compatibility settings in the exe... :Kaleun_Crying:

[Anvar1061]

Thanks, stupidly I forgot the compatibility settings in the exe... :Kaleun_Crying:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Cheers-1.gif

[RunningDepth]

Stupid question but let's say I'm starting a career from 1st of August 1939 in Kiel, 1st flotilla, should I enable the "WAC5.0 Campaign_Atlantic_Baltic" or not? :06: What is that exactly for and when is it mandatory to enable?

[Templar]

Go to this http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57475, which is a very detailed install guide for WAC.

[Wolfcat]

For some reason, I can only do 6-7 patrols then the game automatically ends. (my campaign cannot proceed any more). Even with SH commander, the campaign still ends. I am using default grand campaign btw.

[propbeanie]

How much tonnage do you have to your credit? :salute:

[Wolfcat]

Does tonnage matter? I thought the grand campaign allows you to play all the way to the end? If Tonnage limit my campaign longevity, is there anyway I can remove that limit?

[propbeanie]

I missed your statement of "grand" with "campaign". I am not familiar with that. Also, I am not playing WAC often enough to know if tonnage does matter, that was just a guess. I always assumed it did. I am usually "dead" anyway before mid 1942 comes anyway, :roll: and haven't made it past mid 1940 several times... :har: I'm just too impatient - Maybe someone else can answer your question then. Sorry. :salute:

[Hamppupalaa]

Definitely the best mod to me at least. Wonderful attention to detail and the gameplay is awesome. Loading times are reaaally long though, around 10 minutes for me. Ports tend to lag a lot but runs butter smooth when sinking merchants in the Atlantic :Kaleun_Salute: I used to only play GWX with lots of additional mods but this mod is more or less plug n play and seems more stable.

Here's my mod list if anyone wants a simple setup that works

WarAceCampaign 5.0
WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch 5.2
Complete Sound for WAC5
black contacts
Musique Menu Gwx
WAC5.2 H.sie Supplement to V16B1
WAC5.2 WidescreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe
Skin U-73 VIIB-Ahnenerbe

[Niume]

Hansolo are any updates are planed? What about stiebler patch

[HanSolo78]

Hansolo are any updates are planed? What about stiebler patch

Hi!

Sorry, no. Nothing for now!
Summer is holiday and family time.
Maybe when autumn will come.

Some day I had plans to add more Merchants or the Harbour Kiel in WIP but that were only in the beginning.

Any other ideas?

Maybe we could collect some ideas here…

[Niume]

Stiebler patch implementation? Would be nice.

[Hamppupalaa]

Stiebler patch implementation? Would be nice.

Yes! That would be a great addition :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

[Niume]

Tiny error

In Kiel with 7 flottila. Your crew is looking the wrong way.
Would be best just to make the crowd appear on the difffrent side.

https://www.part.lt/img/7d1e762d5468c76fa692899d58c4d4e2550.bmp (https://www.part.lt/perziura/7d1e762d5468c76fa692899d58c4d4e2550.bmp)

[David I]

Niume,

Same is true with Ace's "Men on Deck" mod. They face the right (correct) way when coming into the harbor, but not when setting sail. Apparently you can't have it both ways.

David I

PS: The Crew on Deck in WAC looks more like the photos I've seen rather than Ace's that has the whole crew on deck. No doubt inspired by the scene in Das Boat when the Captain inspects the whole crew while the boat is stationary in the bunker.

DI

[zeus]

Hello

How is the AI dds in WAC5.2?

Is it realistic?

[zeus]

IA dds ?

[Niume]

Yeah

[Fubar2Niner]

@Hans, or any knowledgeable sailors,

Is there a mod that is WAC compatible that will stop ships floating above the horizon ? Like that in GWX.

I would post a screenie to explain what I mean but unfortunately Ctrl F11 does not work :(

Best regards

Fubar

[Niume]

MEP V6 and Optional - ShipVanishingHull for MEP v6

[Fubar2Niner]

Thanks mate :yeah: Any clue as to why Ctl F11 does not work?

[Anvar1061]

Any clue as to why Ctl F11 does not work?

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Wink.gif
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=1092

5)... please note this mod disables the Ctrl + F11 function, you must use PrtScr

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=201592

[Rhodes]

I am trying Wac for the first time, but the patrol does not load. It becomes stuck in the loading image, with the red bar not going to the end.

Mods:
Generic Mod Enabler - v2.5.0.150
[D:\SH3WAC\SH3Wac\MODS]

WarAceCampaign 5.0
WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch_5.2
WAC5.0 Full_Interior
O2-Gauges v2
M.E.P v6
Optional - FSF for MEP v6
Optional - ShipVanishingHull for MEP v6
M.E.P v6 - VisualSensors for WAC v5.2
WAC5.2 H.sie Supplement to V16B1

[Anvar1061]

Don't jump to conclusions. Wait.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Los.gif
Downloading is very,very long.

[Rhodes]

Don't jump to conclusions. Wait.
:Kaleun_Los:
Downloading is very,very long.


More than 15m?

[Randomizer]

For me WAC load times are typically >20-minutes (plus the time taken to get to the main menu) so I seldom bother.

-C

[Niume]

is there a mini mod which fixes the tonnage on some of the ships. Like fast merchant is worth 17000 GRT and others.

[Rhodes]

For me WAC load times are typically >20-minutes (plus the time taken to get to the main menu) so I seldom bother.

-C
:o Never thought of such patrol loading times. Will see how much time will it take here. :Kaleun_Los:

[Niume]

For me its around 13 minutes

[Rhodes]

As Ace Venture once said, "If I am not back in 5 minutes...wait a little longer."

The loading time is around 11-15m but it loads fine. :Kaleun_Salute:
I am enjoying exploring this mod, since after GWX+mod soup+MaGui F, it is almost a different game.

Now, a few questions:
The sound of the voices and others is low to very low, I only turn down the music in game sound options, but didn't change anything else. Is this normal to WAC mod, to MEP or using both? How can I have louder sounds (besides turning the volume up in my columns)?.

A find annoying the control menu hiding, like windows start bar, having to go to it every time to see if a message appears, to got to the officers, etc. Any way to lock it up?

[Anvar1061]

As Ace Venture once said, "If I am not back in 5 minutes...wait a little longer."

The loading time is around 11-15m but it loads fine. :Kaleun_Salute:
I am enjoying exploring this mod, since after GWX+mod soup+MaGui F, it is almost a different game.

Now, a few questions:
The sound of the voices and others is low to very low, I only turn down the music in game sound options, but didn't change anything else. Is this normal to WAC mod, to MEP or using both? How can I have louder sounds (besides turning the volume up in my columns)?.

A find annoying the control menu hiding, like windows start bar, having to go to it every time to see if a message appears, to got to the officers, etc. Any way to lock it up?
I recommend
Complete Sound for WAC 5 = All Sounds from SH3_GWX3.0_REWORKED_RUS (included Sound 1.03 from Poul)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3myq46vh3c73n9/Complete%20Sound%20for%20WAC5.7z?dl=0

[Randomizer]

I cannot get the Black Sea Campaign to run with WAC 5.2 and SH3 Commander. Attempting to start any career produces a "Invalid Argument to Date Encode" error.

Without SH Commander the BS campaign will run but cannot be started before the summer of 1943, which is rather late for my liking.

Any help here? Thanks in advance.

-C

[Rhodes]

I recommend
Complete Sound for WAC 5 = All Sounds from SH3_GWX3.0_REWORKED_RUS (included Sound 1.03 from Poul)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3myq46vh3c73n9/Complete%20Sound%20for%20WAC5.7z?dl=0


Thank you!:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Any idea with the sliding menu?

[HanSolo78]

I cannot get the Black Sea Campaign to run with WAC 5.2 and SH3 Commander. Attempting to start any career produces a "Invalid Argument to Date Encode" error.

Without SH Commander the BS campaign will run but cannot be started before the summer of 1943, which is rather late for my liking.

Any help here? Thanks in advance.

-C

You can start the black sea campaign in 10/1942 without commander!
This campaign historicaly starts in 1942 and there are almost no units before, ok... some but not all historic traffic and no complete harbours.
So.. you will not have any fun to drive in an almost empty black sea my friend :Kaleun_Wink:

[Randomizer]

Starting a 1942 Black Sea career spawns the Player's boat at 0* Lat and Long, off the coast of Africa, so the presence or absence of potential targets is entirely meaningless. Now you might be able to sail a Type IIA from the Bight of Benin to the Black Sea but I have no interest in trying. The WAC 5.2 Black Sea Campaign option looks pretty broken on my machine.

-C

[Anvar1061]

Starting a 1942 Black Sea career spawns the Player's boat at 0* Lat and Long, off the coast of Africa, so the presence or absence of potential targets is entirely meaningless. Now you might be able to sail a Type IIA from the Bight of Benin to the Black Sea but I have no interest in trying. The WAC 5.2 Black Sea Campaign option looks pretty broken on my machine.

-C
This will happen if you have the wrong data / Menu / en (de) _menu.txt

[Randomizer]

This will happen if you have the wrong data / Menu / en (de) _menu.txt
OK, no edits to any of the files have been done by me and below is the offending WAC mod list with the Black Sea campaign activated:

WarAceCampaign 5.01
WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch_5.2
WAC5.2 H.sie Supplement to V16B1
LSH Svastika flag own u-boat and all german ships
Black Contacts
WAC5.2 Campaign_Black_Sea

Perhaps you can explain where the correct ...data\menu\en_menu.txt and de_menu.txt files for the Black Sea campaign might be found? They do not appear to have been included with the download since the files supplied obviously do not work.

WAC 5.2 without the Black Sea activated runs pretty much as advertised so the issue is unlikely to be in my WAC installation.

-C

[Anvar1061]

Download
https://www.designmodproject.de/forum/wac-war-ace-campaign/1328540-black-sea-campaign-wac5-2-2019#1456825

[Randomizer]

Downloaded and replaced the original files but still no joy, 1942 starts still place the boat in the Bight of Benin. Will stick with GWX3 (or Soviet Waterway) for any Black Sea action.

Thanks anyway.

-C

[HanSolo78]

Downloaded and replaced the original files but still no joy, 1942 starts still place the boat in the Bight of Benin. Will stick with GWX3 (or Soviet Waterway) for any Black Sea action.

Thanks anyway.

-C

Did you try to enable only:

WarAceCampaign 5.01
WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch_5.2
WAC5.2 Campaign_Black_Sea

Should work as intended in 1942 without commander.
The other mods you have enabled are no official mods for WAC from myself.

[Anvar1061]

Downloaded and replaced the original files but still no joy, 1942 starts still place the boat in the Bight of Benin. Will stick with GWX3 (or Soviet Waterway) for any Black Sea action.

Thanks anyway.

-C
I hope you choose the 30-th flotilla.

[Kurt Dagger]

Please tell me whether this mod will work with Windows 10?

[Anvar1061]

Please tell me whether this mod will work with Windows 10?
This problem is studied in LSH. Obviously this applies to the WAC.
https://www.designmodproject.de/forum/lsh3-probleme-bugs-patches/1327468-seit-windowsupdate-startet-lsh3-nicht-mehr?start=255#1390455

[propbeanie]

Downloaded and replaced the original files but still no joy, 1942 starts still place the boat in the Bight of Benin. Will stick with GWX3 (or Soviet Waterway) for any Black Sea action.

Thanks anyway.

-C
Did you empty your Save folder after de-activating GWX and activating WAC? If you did not clear C:\Users \UserName \Documents \SH3, then you are playing a mix of GWX and WAC. :salute:

[Anvar1061]

I think he's using separate sets from GWX & WAC.

[Dani]

Can somebody tell me, which files from WAC 5.0 are needed to get the SH5 fire and smoke in game?
WAC is to heavy for my computer and I would like SH5 effects in my GWX installation.

[Anvar1061]

Can somebody tell me, which files from WAC 5.0 are needed to get the SH5 fire and smoke in game?
WAC is to heavy for my computer and I would like SH5 effects in my GWX installation.
I suppose
- Materials.dat
- Particles.dat
- Particles.dsd
- Whistles_Horns_shells.dat
- Whistles_Horns_shells.sim
- Whistles_Horns_ships.dat
- Whistles_Horns_ships.dsd
- Whistles_Horns_ships.sim
improved textures mod's files in \data\Textures\TNormal\tex
More detail
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=679149&postcount=1

[propbeanie]

I think he's using separate sets from GWX & WAC.
:up: - Where are the spawn-in locations for the player's submarine stored though, Flotillas.upc in the Data / Cfg, correct?... :salute:

[SW1899]

Hello,


Really great great mod.
First time I can play SH3 with a supermod along with SH Commander (GWX before but often CTDs) since new adapted computer with Win10.


What an improvement since original SH3 !!!
I really enjoy playing this mod and I'm still discovering new features.



Everything seems to work perfectly + H.sie & wide GUI + voice German + 52 % Realismus :
-SH3 + patch 1.4 + 4GB patch
- WarAceCampaign 5.0
- WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch 5.2
- detection gwx for wac5
- WAC5.2 H.sie Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME)
- Optimized WAC5.2 WideScreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe
- O2-Gauges v2
- Musique Menu Gwx

- FULL MAP for Optimized WAC5.2 WideScreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe


+ SH Commander 3.2.0
- WAC 5.0 Commander light


Only Complete Sound for WAC5 won't load via JSGME.
Perhaps PC not powerful enough ?


I only missed a greater Message traffic concerning intelligence or special mission within the patrol. But I'm only at begin of 1940 in the carreer I play (4th patrol).



I got CTD each time I try to reload the last saved patrol ?
So for instance when I started a patrol I managed to finish it in Basis.


3 questions :

- Will be there the Panama canal for future ?
- What are planned improvements or new features for future too ?

- Does SHGen works well with WAC 5.2 ? I made tries but cannot see if changes really occured. Need a good tuto.



Many thanks to WAC crew for this mod.

[ericlea]

Hi,

complete sound for wac5 :
In jsgme you have only to wait : it is very long from left to right :)

Sh3gen works fine with wac5.2 !
Tuto here :
https://www.designmodproject.de/forum/wac-war-ace-campaign/1327815-wac-5-0-usermods?start=270#1447948

:-)

[SW1899]

Thank you Ericlea :Kaleun_Cheers:,
The link for SH3Gen helps me a lot even for Tatuk-GIS and now it works.


Will try again later for Complete Sound.


:salute:





And best regards from an old sailor


https://www.cjoint.com/doc/19_09/IIhv7juqgLY_1.jpg

[ericlea]

:up:

:Kaleun_Cheers:

[The Gentle Uncle]

I would really like to try the mod but my computer is too old to support it. Can I somehow extract the campaign of WAC (with the historical events and radio messages) and add it as a mod to my LSH3? Does anyone know if this is possible and by which files? Many thanks.

[Anvar1061]

I would really like to try the mod but my computer is too old to support it. Can I somehow extract the campaign of WAC (with the historical events and radio messages) and add it as a mod to my LSH3? Does anyone know if this is possible and by which files? Many thanks.
You need to extract the Campaign folder that contains the campaign and radiogram files. Then test it using the SH Validator. You will see in the log file, which units you need to add to the folders of Air, Land, Sea, Submarine with the obligatory addition of them to the Roster. It's long, but it's possible!

[Progrocker]

Hi!

Any other ideas?

Maybe we could collect some ideas here…


What about Indian Ocean Monsun Operation (Penang) for IXD2 boats?

[Progrocker]

Folks, i have a problem with Black Sea campaign. First problem is, that on my standard settings on which all other SH3 campaigns work (WAC 5.2 Mediterranean inclusive) the in-game menu is very small, like the resolution is different. Then when i start to load the first mission on 1st october 1942 the "Black Sea campaign" picture is suddenly ok. But after that, the game stops at "Ran an den Feind" screen and its over.

Interesting is that the Mediterranean campaign works without problems on same setting and mods combination.

Here are my mods:

http://i.imgur.com/yDX0Xfv.png (https://imgur.com/yDX0Xfv)

[SW1899]

What about Indian Ocean Monsun Operation (Penang) for IXD2 boats?


- some ports from GWX
- Panama & Suez canal
- Maunsell forts
- Swimming dock
- whales & dolphins


During play I noticed that there is no renown for sinking ennemy sub (not counted as warship ?).


For Pennants in WAC 5.2 : is it Ctrl+PageUp (using azerty) within 500m of basis when in harbour itself or near mark when selecting "begin patrol at see" ?


:Kaleun_Los:

[Aktungbby]

SW1899!:Kaleun_Salute: AFTER AN EIGHT YEAR SILENT RUN!

[SW1899]

Ahoi !


You say that. Long snorkeling period.


:up:

[HanSolo78]

Ahoi guys! :Kaleun_Salute:

Great to read feedback and still interest in the game and WAC.
For now there is no scheduled update planned...
Maybe I will start to work on some things in autumn.

-Operation Monsun is a good idea... but a new campaign needs much work and testing. On the Black Sea campaign I worked over a whole year.
In the german DMP forum they are working for months in improving LSH Operation Monsun. With all these flotilla changes, campaign changes and probably radio traffic changes this is a lot.
So... very unlikely!

-Stiebler Patch will be possible I think

-Panama Suez channel should be possible but is it worth the work?
Only terrain changes or additionaly locks and harbours?

-new merchants and war ships could be possible (most important I think)

Other additional mods only extend the RAM usage and would make SH3 unstable.


@Progrocker

Try to disable all other mods except WAC5.0, Patch 5.2 and Black Sea Campaign! I do not know if all your enabled mods are compatible with Black Sea Campaign.

[makman94]

Hello to all subsimers,

WAC MaGui 1360x768,
Having it stored in my hdd and here it is :yep:

Hansolo released only the 1366x768 version of it so everyone who can't run this version now has one more option that may work at his end.

I uploaded (at my mediafire page) both versions updated to work with the WAC v5.2

Each version is "Stand alone" which means that you pick up the version that suits you and unpack it into your mods folder

[SW1899]

Ahoi guys! :Kaleun_Salute:

Great to read feedback and still interest in the game and WAC.
For now there is no scheduled update planned...
Maybe I will start to work on some things in autumn.

-Operation Monsun is a good idea... but a new campaign needs much work and testing. On the Black Sea campaign I worked over a whole year.
In the german DMP forum they are working for months in improving LSH Operation Monsun. With all these flotilla changes, campaign changes and probably radio traffic changes this is a lot.
So... very unlikely!

-Stiebler Patch will be possible I think

-Panama Suez channel should be possible but is it worth the work?
Only terrain changes or additionaly locks and harbours?

-new merchants and war ships could be possible (most important I think)

Other additional mods only extend the RAM usage and would make SH3 unstable.


@Progrocker

Try to disable all other mods except WAC5.0, Patch 5.2 and Black Sea Campaign! I do not know if all your enabled mods are compatible with Black Sea Campaign.






Ahoi Han :Kaleun_Salute:,


I can only expres wishes though I'm not a modder and no nothing about how to modify SH3.

I only know what amount of work it could costs to change features (I know it could be very long and/ or complicated).


And yes, go for Stiebler patch and additional ships if you feel to. And some environemental features more if possible.



I still wish to see Suez and Panama on the map (kinf of "light" harbour perhaps depends if the work is valuable).


And as you say all depends of what SH3 can support more now.
My installation with SH3Gen allows me a 5 to 6 mn load time when all is working fine. Sometimes CTDs then I have to reload 2 or more times before it works (no more than 10 mn via SHCommander in all in best case).

I don't use the Full-Interior which is a really great feature, for the campaign as I know it makes my computer more unstable (former unlucky experiences with GWX and advice from WAC manual).


If you have the time please do it but without any pressure from me. The fun must remain.



And big thanks to you and your crew for all the achieved work to this, for me, most enjoying megamod.


:Kaleun_Applaud:

[Capt. Morgan]

Or maybe not so mysterious...

Made it back to Kiel in Sept. /39, sailed my boat right into the bunker with my crew standing-to smartly on the deck only to find that my career was over (Lost at sea, and save file marked Dead). Would this have anything to do with my having sunk a hospital ship :oops: (Could have sworn it tas a troop transport)?

[SW1899]

Hello Captain Morgan,

I think no : playing with GWX contact sunked an hospital ship - marked red as ennemy - in patrol 4 in October 1939: nothing happens to me (not a single remark from BDU).

It happened to me too to be dead after a very succesful patrol with start at sea when coming back to Wilhelmhaven and choosing to finish patrol with return to basis within 20 km ? I started patrol again.
Since I try not to forget to make some saves when at sea.

In patrol 10 in beginning June 1940 each time i tried to catch small convoys in the Channel BF32-33 from France to Southhampton I got CTD (tried almost 10 times in different ways) after that I chose to go far away and navigate towards the Atlantic ?

I put this on the account of "strange PC behaviour" for I have untill now no explication.:k_confused:
Greetings

[Capt. Morgan]

Hello Captain Morgan,

I think no : playing with GWX contact sunked an hospital ship - marked red as ennemy - in patrol 4 in October 1939: nothing happens to me (not a single remark from BDU)...

Thanks, for the reply. In this case my hospital ship was given a grey sunken-ship marker, so the game knew it was not an enemy, though BDU didn't complain about my attack either.

Maybe it's modeled into this Mod, things have moved on a lot since GWX. I'll try an earlier save and see if the results are the same. Much as I hate losing a career for any reason, in this case it'd be justified. I just don't want to get involved in a campaign if SH3 remains prone to random career loss.

[ArnoldR]

Would this have anything to do with my having sunk a hospital ship :oops: (Could have sworn it tas a troop transport)?

You're just not fighting in the right camp ! On the soviet side, you would have been decorated for this highly courageous action...

:Kaleun_Applaud:

[Capt. Morgan]

Hi, so can anyone tell me if sinking hospital ships/neutral ships is penalized in WAC 5.X?

[ArnoldR]

Hi, so can anyone tell me if sinking hospital ships/neutral ships is penalized in WAC 5.X?

- If the ship belongs to an enemy nation (marked as a red icon on your navigation map), the game won't penalize you (even if it is a hospital ship)

- if the ship belongs to a neutral country (green icon on your map), have a look to the coefficient in the file named "Basic.cfg" in the folder Cfg and check the lines under RENOWN.

This coeff multiplied by the renown points which are specific for each ship (see in whatever ship.cfg file) gives you the renown points for sinking this ship.

[SW1899]

Ahoi,

Only to make a report of my campaign.
I'm now beginning patrol 12 in September 1940. The ennemy is becoming little by little to be more and more tougher. Slowly but surely.
The mines on Great Britain's East coast are becoming now a real pain.:o

Everything seem to work fine.

Besides some CTDs when approaching Great Britain coasts especially in AN - AM and along the Channel : think RAM of PC in not sufficient when near much sea and air traffic.

The TC is a tricky feature too when near these areas and other busy harbours : for my part no more than 64x when possible.When returning to Wilhelmshaven basis I end patrol at sea whitin 50 km with TC 1x.
Will see later if when I disabled FULL MAP for Optimized WAC5.2 WideScreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe via JSGME the lesser use of RAM will make game for me more stable.

One remark : using Optimized WAC5.2 WideScreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe with FullMap seems to squeeze a little the M2 map for mines in F5 map screen, in my opinion.


:Kaleun_Salivating:

[Capt. Morgan]

... have a look to the coefficient in the file named "Basic.cfg" in the folder Cfg and check the lines under RENOWN...

:Kaleun_Cheers:Thanks for the very helpful reply... yup...

[RENOWN]
WrongShipSunk=-5000
EndCampaign=-5000

Sink a hospital ship in this mod and you're gone, love it. It was at night with heavy fog which was why I mis-identified her, but her escort was Polish flagged, so sinking an enemy hospital ship in WAC 5X may not be a career enhancing move, no matter who she belongs to.

[Niume]

:Kaleun_Cheers:Thanks for the very helpful reply... yup...

[RENOWN]
WrongShipSunk=-5000
EndCampaign=-5000

Sink a hospital ship in this mod and you're gone, love it. It was at night with heavy fog which was why I mis-identified her, but her escort was Polish flagged, so sinking an enemy hospital ship in WAC 5X may not be a career enhancing move, no matter who she belongs to.


WEll in my opinion its not really realistic. In real life one of the u uboat captains accidently sank a german raider and he had no penaltys.

[ArnoldR]

:Kaleun_Cheers:Thanks for the very helpful reply... yup...

[RENOWN]
WrongShipSunk=-5000
EndCampaign=-5000


I'm not sure about this... What is a "wrong" ship to sink ?? The ships' types are only (Roster folder, English.cfg):

;Merchant ships
Type100=Replenishment
Type101=Tanker
Type102=Cargo
Type103=Troop Transport
Type104=Coastal Vessel
Type105=Environmental

I don't see any hospital ship. I think that you sunk a neutral ship, and this is penalized in WAC5. What is the coeff for sinking neutral vessels? Is it -1 for example?

Personaly, I set the coef like that:
Neutral:1
Allied:1
Axis:-1

This is because it was allowed to sink neutral ships in many cases, for example if they were sailing into an allied convoy, if they refused to stop to be inspected, or if they were carrying military cargo. There is a mod (I think made by Sublynx IIRC) which adds draggable sheets with the rules for sinking enemy ships.

[succerpunch]

My activated mod list is:

WarAceCampaign 5.0
WarAceCampaign 5.0 Patch_5.2
WAC5.0 Full_Interior
WAC5.0 Subpens_Ambient_Light
WAC5.2 WideScreensGUI 1920x1080 Ahnenerbe
WAC5.2 H.sie Supplement to V16B1



Am I doing it right becuase when I start at 2nd Flotilla it loads forever and then CTD. I have the 4Gig patch applied and my specs are way above required.

[ericlea]

Hi,

Because of ram limit, you can't play full interior + widescreen. It is written in wac5's installation manual.

[SW1899]

Ahoi,


@ArnoldR
Very interesting :

Did you made these changes in basic.cfg from Cfg folder of Data folder ?
Neutral:1
Allied:1
Axis:-1

In mine it's :
[RENOWN]
RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500
RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200
CompletedPatrol=100
NEUTRAL=-1
ALLIED=1
AXIS=-10
WrongShipSunk=-5000
FirstRankRenown=1000
SecondRankRenown=3500
EndCampaign=-5000

Playing via SHCommander with realistic career disabled and start mission at sea + Detection GWX for WAC5 mod.

Did Patrol 15 with new IXC in March-April 1941. Attacked convoy coming from USA in AL grid. There were neutral ships (marked green). Not targeting neutral and launched my 4 bow torpedoes . Can't see resullts because 5 escorts ships rapidly discovered me and makes me crash dive + silent running at 200m. 45 mn dephtcharging. Escape. Sank 3 ships confirmed by log : on the map one marked red, one grey and the last one not marked - I think because I was to deep and / or too far from sinking place. After 1 week returning back to Wilhelmshaven : dead within 20km of basis with finishing patrol at base with no explication. Reload several times, tried at the end to finish same way much nearer to base. Not dead but degradated from Kaleu to ObLt with an approximatevely -4500 in renown for patrol. No explication too from game (BDU). Nevertheless stange game behaviour.
In conclusion I think I must have sink a neutral but it was really hard paid.
Did the patrol again as I really was not agree with this outcome.:Kaleun_Mad:
Attacking convoys with neutral ships and trying to solve multiple targets especially the more valuables - awlays in the middle of convoys - can have the most worst consequences.

I only miss the lack of information from the game when such things happened.

Patrol logs from game or SHCommander don't mentioned the nationality of ships too.


Greetings :Kaleun_Salute:

[Capt. Morgan]

I'm not sure about this... What is a "wrong" ship to sink ?? ...

This one was a polish flagged hospital ship,

[SW1899]

Ahoi,

I was wondering myself if following could be added to WAC :

- dephtcharge shake like NvDrifter did.
- adding new harbours based on Thfeu58's work.
- Blue Interior light like FlakMonkey's : we have yellow for day, red for night.
Blue could be for silent running besides it was historically not the case.

I tried to use these with no great success with GWX before, only dephtcharge shake was satisfying.

Greetings
:Kaleun_Los:

[SW1899]

Ahoi,

Trying more than 10 times to finish patrol 15 with at the end only to be dead !
Flotilla 2 Wilhelmshaven ordered each time to patrol grid BF 29 as primary (tried between March-April 1941 with brand new IXC and then back to my old VIIB). Then ordered to attack Loch Ewe (rather suicidal : one try) and when trying to catch convoys in AL always CTDs or bad weather : 15 (no chance). :Kaleun_Crying:
Then BDU order : cross Strait of Gibraltar (2 times if you will go back) and patrol grid CO (especially 25-26 when Greece evacuated) : did it in last play but return where (did one time Thalia : CTD) only with 25% fuel ?
And no ship activity in Mediterranean : i'm playing Baltic-Atantic campaign. Nonsense .:hmph:

What's the purpose ? Why is BDU sending me to hell ? :damn:

Each time when succeeding ending patrol near base witn no more torpedoes and not following BDU orders : dead or degradated with -5000 in renown.:/\\x:

Is it a way to say me I've done enough ?
No retirement with honour and promotion ?

When yes, BDU is really not grateful.
Perhaps I should fight next time with the other side ?:hmmm:

Greetings

[ArnoldR]

@ArnoldR
Very interesting :

Did you made these changes in basic.cfg from Cfg folder of Data folder ?
Neutral:1
Allied:1
Axis:-1

Yes

In mine it's :
[RENOWN]
RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500
RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200
CompletedPatrol=100
NEUTRAL=-1
ALLIED=1
AXIS=-10
WrongShipSunk=-5000
FirstRankRenown=1000
SecondRankRenown=3500
EndCampaign=-5000

....

Not dead but degradated from Kaleu to ObLt with an approximatevely -4500 in renown for patrol. No explication too from game (BDU). Nevertheless stange game behaviour.


Each time when succeeding ending patrol near base witn no more torpedoes and not following BDU orders : dead or degradated with -5000 in renown.

Is it a way to say me I've done enough ?
No retirement with honour and promotion ?

Yes, I think so... Time has come to retire from front service and train new recruits or work inside the BdU. :)

[SW1899]

:Kaleun_Salute: Ahoi,
@ArnoldR

Thank you very much.:)
I apply the changes you've done + EndCampaign=5000 (could be 0 later too), as a try.
This will be my first tiny modding attempt in SH3.

As I try now BDU to be send packing, I will wait first Flotilla 2 be transferred to Lorient basis and will at least be lost at sea as Kapitän z.See.:D
Redo again patrol 15 and will reload it when ending it till I docked alive and be able to start patrol 16.

And I agree with you about career length features.
I did other small changes to see if it works (only in .cfg and .menu files).
I took a long time in searchs in older posts of Subsim Radio Forum to see some specific subjects.

I understand now much more, I hope, what happened to me in last patrols.
Career before laucnching patrol 15, from SH3Cdr Personnal file :

PERSONALAKTE
Name: WOLFGANG BUTTJER
Geburtsdatum: 07OKT14
Geburtsort: GELNHAUSEN
Einberufungsdatum: 01APR34 (CREW 34)
Beförderungen
11JAN35 SEEKADETT
01SEP35 FÄHNRICH Z. S.
01MAI37 OBERFÄHNRICH Z. S.
01NOV37 LEUTNANT Z. S.
03FEB40 OBERLEUTNANT Z. S.
09OKT40 KAPITÄNLEUTNANT
Auszeichnungen
20SEP39 EISERNES KREUZ ZWEITER KLASSE
14OKT39 EISERNES KREUZ ERSTER KLASSE
14OKT39 DEUTSCHES KREUZ
09DEZ39 RITTERKREUZ
03FEB40 RITTERKREUZ MIT EICHENLAUB
15MRZ40 RITTERKREUZ MIT EICHENLAUB UND SCHWERTERN
15MRZ40 RITTERKREUZ MIT EICHENLAUB, SCHWERTERN UND BRILLANTEN
21APR40 RITTERKREUZ MIT GOLDENEM EICHENLAUB, SCHWERTERN UND BRILLANTEN
Abzeichen
27AUG39 U-BOOT-FRONTSPANGE
20SEP39 U-BOOTABZEICHEN
Versetzungen
30MAI38 U-Boot Flottille Weddigen (Kommandantenausbildung)
02AUG39 2. Flottille (14 Feindfahrten)
Kommandierte U-Boote
02AUG39 U-36, Typ VIIB (14 Feindfahrten)
Feindfahrt / Daten / Versenkte Schiffe (Handelsschiff/Kriegsschiff) / Tonnage (BRT/TO) (Handelsschiff/Kriegsschiff) / Anmerkungen
1 02AUG39 - 05AUG39 (4 Seetage) 0 (0/0) 0 (0/0)
2 19AUG39 - 27AUG39 (9 Seetage) 0 (0/0) 0 (0/0)
3 10SEP39 - 20SEP39 (11 Seetage) 17 (16/1) 46346 (44516/1830)
4 04OKT39 - 14OKT39 (11 Seetage) 3 (3/0) 50164 (50164/0)
5 28OKT39 - 09DEZ39 (43 Seetage) 17 (14/3) 40996 (37231/3765) U-Boot beschädigt (R. 83.28%)
6 23DEZ39 - 03FEB40 (43 Seetage) 8 (7/1) 47897 (46067/1830)
7 17FEB40 - 15MRZ40 (28 Seetage) 13 (13/0) 71047 (71047/0) U-Boot beschädigt (R. 97.96%)
8 29MRZ40 - 21APR40 (24 Seetage) 8 (5/3) 42122 (24612/17510)
9 05MAI40 - 23MAI40 (19 Seetage) 16 (15/1) 57634 (56446/1188) U-Boot beschädigt (R. 89.30%)
10 06JUN40 - 04JUL40 (29 Seetage) 10 (9/1) 52453 (52410/43) U-Boot beschädigt (R. 93.35%)
11 18JUL40 - 05SEP40 (50 Seetage) 7 (7/0) 93351 (93351/0)
12 19SEP40 - 09OKT40 (21 Seetage) 7 (6/1) 39743 (38553/1190) U-Boot beschädigt (R. 97.73%)
13 23OKT40 - 12DEZ40 (51 Seetage) 6 (6/0) 36530 (36530/0)
14 26DEZ40 - 24FEB41 (61 Seetage) 8 (8/0) 51087 (51087/0)
GESAMT: 14 Feindfahrten (404 Seetage) 120 (109/11) 629370 (602014/27356) 9 abgeschossene Flugzeuge 0 Besatzungsverluste

And if changing U-Boot and / or appliyng some upgrades, this coasts renown points too : seems that when just above a rank in renown you will lose points and go back to previous rank when changes applied after ending next patrol.
I will try next time to leave game after these changes + roll-back and quit SH3Cdr and relaunch the all for next patrol. Will see what happens.:06:
:Kaleun_Los:Greetings

[SW1899]

:Kaleun_Salute:
Ahoi HanSolo,

Did a detour to Helgoland in my last patrol (an island I often visited before in real life : part of my familly is from Bremen and as I was a kid I often made Butterfahrten mid70s-80s when Europe was not a single customs area as today).

But near to it I was deeply shocked. :eek:

Wat ? Wie ? Waar is de Lange Anna ???

Please can you do a big favour only for me and replace this awful pyramid against the Lange Anna / Nathurn Stak. :/\\k:

Besides joking if I can help I'm ready.:Kaleun_Smile:
Moin, moin.

[Anvar1061]

Kaleuns, who plays the Black Sea Campaign, what files should I change to be able to choose in the 30th flotilla U-boot type IIA?
https://sun9-17.userapi.com/c858336/v858336680/902d4/7-hlE5Bynt4.jpg
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Confused.gif

[SW1899]

:Kaleun_Salute: Ahoi,
I made my 16th patrol Mai-June 1941 and finally have been ordered to transfer to Lorient while at sea when less than 10% fuel and 8 torpedoes remaining.

Patrol not successful only sink a carrier Indifatigable + damaging Renown and 3 ships (1 was a wreck) and could only follow by radio the sinking of Bismarck : too far for helping.

:) And I saw the nice U-Boot bunkers of Lorient.
Wilhelmshaven was becoming a little too hot : nice welcoming home by Halifax group bombing you when nearing basis and thinking you are safe now, especially at end of patrol 15 in the night + weather 12.
Same when leaving basis for Patrol 16 this time at day and 2 bomber wawes. :gulp:
I docked and was again dead as for patrol 15 but I cheat. :oops:

The only information when a career is ended is given by SH3Cdr in the Personal File Update at the end of it.
And SH3Cdr gives you the choice too to surrender instead to be lost at sea in main screen + info Personal File.

Will launch Patrol 17. :Kaleun_Periskop:
Greetings

[Randomizer]

Kaleuns, who plays the Black Sea Campaign, what files should I change to be able to choose in the 30th flotilla U-boot type IIA?
Tried some things and there was zero useful help in the Forum. Never managed to get the WAC Black Sea Campaign to work and have since given up trying.

-C

[Anvar1061]

Tried some things and there was zero useful help in the Forum. Never managed to get the WAC Black Sea Campaign to work and have since given up trying.


I think I found part of the problem.
I found these two files:
D:\SH3 Commander\Cfg\U-boat availability.cfg
;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
;This file contains adjusted U-boat availability dates. Values can be changed, keys
;can be removed and new keys can be added. Preface new keys with the U-boat index
;number. Values are imported into Basic.cfg based on selected Flotilla. Remember
;that the U-boat types each Flotilla gets are controlled by "NbUboatsx" and
;"Uboatx_x" in Flotilla.cfg.
;
;For this file to be used, you must select the "Use historic U-boat availability
;dates" option from within SH3 Commander.
;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[SUBMARINE0]
902_NbVersion=2
902_Version0=0 ; IIA
902_Name0=IIA
902_Month0=1
902_Year0=1939
902_Version1=1 ; IID
902_Name1=IID
902_Month1=9
902_Year1=1940
902_DaysSpentInBase=7

[SUBMARINE1]
902_NbVersion=4
902_Version0=0 ; VIIB
902_Name0=VIIB
902_Month0=6
902_Year0=1941
902_Version1=1 ; VIIC
902_Name1=VIIC
902_Month1=3
902_Year1=1941
902_Version2=2 ; VIIC/41
902_Name2=VIIC/41
902_Month2=6
902_Year2=1944
902_Version3=3 ; VIIC/42
902_Name3=VIIC/42
902_Month3=6
902_Year3=1945
902_DaysSpentInBase=45

903_NbVersion=4
903_Version0=0 ; VIIB
903_Name0=VIIB
903_Month0=1
903_Year0=1939
903_Version1=1 ; VIIC
903_Name1=VIIC
903_Month1=6
903_Year1=1945
903_Version2=2 ; VIIC/41
903_Name2=VIIC/41
903_Month2=6
903_Year2=1945
903_Version3=3 ; VIIC/42
903_Name3=VIIC/42
903_Month3=6
903_Year3=1945
903_DaysSpentInBase=45

904_NbVersion=4
904_Version0=0 ; VIIB
904_Name0=VIIB
904_Month0=1
904_Year0=1939
904_Version1=1 ; VIIC
904_Name1=VIIC
904_Month1=8
904_Year1=1940
904_Version2=2 ; VIIC/41
904_Name2=VIIC/41
904_Month2=6
904_Year2=1944
904_Version3=3 ; VIIC/42
904_Name3=VIIC/42
904_Month3=6
904_Year3=1945
904_DaysSpentInBase=45

906_NbVersion=4
906_Version0=0 ; VIIB
906_Name0=VIIB
906_Month0=6
906_Year0=1945
906_Version1=1 ; VIIC
906_Name1=VIIC
906_Month1=6
906_Year1=1942
906_Version2=2 ; VIIC/41
906_Name2=VIIC/41
906_Month2=6
906_Year2=1944
906_Version3=3 ; VIIC/42
906_Name3=VIIC/42
906_Month3=6
906_Year3=1945
906_DaysSpentInBase=45

[SUBMARINE2]
903_NbVersion=4; 5
903_Version0=0 ; IXB
903_Name0=IXB
903_Month0=10
903_Year0=1939
903_Version1=1 ; IXC
903_Name1=IXC
903_Month1=1
903_Year1=1941
903_Version2=2 ; IXC/40
903_Name2=IXC/40
903_Month2=7
903_Year2=1942
903_Version3=3 ; IXD2
903_Name3=IXD2
903_Month3=6
903_Year3=1945
903_DaysSpentInBase=75

[SUBMARINE3]
906_NbVersion=1
906_Version0=0 ; XIX
906_Name0=XXI
906_Month0=7
906_Year0=1944
906_DaysSpentInBase=259
D:\SH3 Commander\Cfg\U-boat numbers.cfg
;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
;Reminder!
;902=1st
;903=2nd
;904=7th
;905=10th
;906=11th
;907=29th
;908=12th
;909=33rd
;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[IIA];IIB
ALL=8,9,11,13,15,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,56,57,58, 59,60,61,62,63
902=8,9,11,13,15,17,19,20,21,22,23,24,56,57,58,59, 60,61,62,63
909=9,18,19,20,23,24

[IID]
ALL=137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,14 8,149,150,151,152
902=137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,14 9,150

[IXB]
ALL=64,65,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,122, 123,124
903=64,65,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,122, 123,124

[IXC]
ALL=66,67,68,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,153,154,1 55,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,171 ,172,173,174,175,176,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,5 08,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520 ,521,522,523,524
903=66,67,68,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,153,154,1 56,157,161,162,173,501,502,503,504,505,507,518,519 ,520,521,522
905=155,158,159,160,163,164,165,166,171,172,174,17 5,176,506,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517, 523,524

[IXC/40]
ALL=167,168,169,170,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,19 0,191,192,193,194,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532, 533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,54 5,546,547,548,549,550,801,802,803,804,805,806,841, 842,843,844,845,846,853,854,855,856,857,858,865,86 6,867,868,869,870,877,878,879,880,881,889,1221,122 2,1223,1224,1225,1226,1227,1228,1229,1230,1231,123 2,1233,1234,1235
903=168,183,184,189,190,191,193,531,532,534,536,53 8,545,547,548,801,802,841,842,843,856,868,1223,122 5,1226,1227,1228
905=167,169,170,185,186,187,188,192,193,194,525,52 6,527,528,529,530,533,535,537,539,540,541,542,543, 544,546,549,550,804,844,845,846,853,855,857,865,86 6,1221,1222,1229,1230

[IXD1]
ALL=180,195
908=180,195
909=195

[IXD2]
ALL=177,178,179,181,182,196,197,198,199,200,847,84 8,849,850,851,852,859,860,861,862,863,864,871,872, 873,874,875,876
905=177,178,179,181
908=177,178,179,181,182,196,197,198,199,200,847,84 8,849,850,851,852,859,860,861,862,863,871

[VIIB]
ALL=27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,45,46,47,48,49,5 0,51,52,53,54,55,73,74,75,76,83,84,85,86,87,99,100 ,101,102
902=83,84,86
903=27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
904=45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,73,74,75,76,9 9,100,101,102
907=73,74,83

[VIIC]
ALL=69,70,71,72,77,78,79,80,81,82,88,89,90,91,92,9 3,94,95,96,97,98,132,133,134,135,136,201,202,203,2 04,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,221,222,223,224 ,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,235,236,237,238,2 39,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251 ,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,2 64,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276 ,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,2 89,290,291,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310 ,311,312,313,314,315,316,331,332,333,334,335,336,3 37,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349 ,350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,3 62,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374 ,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,3 87,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,396,397,398,399,400 ,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,4 13,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425 ,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,4 38,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449,450 ,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,465,466,467,468,4 69,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479,480,481 ,482,483,484,485,486,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,5 58,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570 ,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,5 83,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595 ,596,597,598,599,600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,6 08,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620 ,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,6 33,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645 ,646,647,648,649,650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,6 58,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670 ,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,6 83,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712 ,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,731,732,7 33,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745 ,746,747,748,749,750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,7 58,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,771,772 ,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,821,822,825,826,901,9 03,904,905,906,907,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928 ,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,9 63,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975 ,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,9 88,989,990,991,992,993,994,1051,1052,1053,1054,105 5,1056,1057,1058,1101,1102,1131,1132,1161,1162,119 1,1192,1193,1194,1195,1196,1197,1198,1199,1200,120 1,1202,1203,1204,1205,1206,1207,1208,1209,1210
902=79,80,81,201,202,203,204,208,209,225,238,243,2 63,268,271,276,301,305,306,307,311,331,336,353,354 ,370,371,372,374,379,392,394,396,401,405,413,415,4 18,422,424,426,435,439,440,441,456,471,556,557,558 ,559,561,562,563,564,565,566,574,582,584,597,599,6 03,625,628,629,632,637,643,651,653,656,665,669,722 ,731,732,736,740,741,743,754,767,773,821,925,963,9 87,1199
904=69,70,71,77,88,93,94,95,96,97,98,133,135,207,2 21,224,227,255,265,266,267,274,278,281,285,303,310 ,338,342,358,359,364,381,382,387,390,397,403,406,4 10,427,434,436,442,448,449,453,454,455,479,481,551 ,552,553,567,575,576,577,578,581,593,594,602,607,6 17,618,624,641,647,650,662,667,678,702,704,707,708 ,710,714,751,765,962,969,974,976,980,985,988,994,1 191,1192
907=77,81,97,205,223,230,301,303,331,343,371,372,3 74,375,380,407,409,410,414,421,431,443,450,453,455 ,458,466,471,557,559,562,565,568,573,577,586,593,5 96,602,605,616,617,642,652,660,755,952,967,969

[VIIC/41]
ALL=292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300,317,318,31 9,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,827,828,929, 930,995,997,998,999,1000,1001,1002,1003,1004,1005, 1006,1007,1008,1009,1010,1013,1014,1015,1016,1017, 1018,1019,1020,1021,1022,1023,1024,1025,1063,1064, 1065,1103,1104,1105,1106,1107,1108,1109,1110,1163, 1164,1165,1166,1167,1168,1169,1170,1171,1172,1271, 1272,1273,1274,1275,1276,1277,1278,1279,1301,1302, 1303,1304,1305,1306,1307,1308
902=292,1107
904=300,1004
909=1106,1170,1271,1305

[XXI]
ALL=2501,2502,2503,2504,2505,2506,2507,2508,2509,2 510,2511,2512,2513,2514,2515,2516,2517,2518,2519,2 520,2521,2522,2523,2524,2525,2526,2527,2528,2529,2 530,2531,2533,2534,2535,2536,2538,2539,2540,2541,2 542,2543,2544,2545,2546,2548,2551,2552,3001,3002,3 003,3004,3005,3006,3007,3008,3009,3010,3011,3012,3 013,3014,3015,3016,3017,3018,3019,3020,3021,3022,3 023,3024,3025,3026,3027,3028,3029,3030,3031,3032,3 033,3034,3035,3037,3038,3039,3040,3041,3044,3501,3 502,3503,3504,3505,3506,3507,3508,3509,3510,3511,3 512,3513,3514,3515,3516,3517,3518,3519,3520,3521,3 522,3523,3524,3525,3526,3527,3528,3529,3530
906=2502,2503,2506,2511,2513,2518,3008

[HanSolo78]

:Kaleun_Salute:
Ahoi HanSolo,

Did a detour to Helgoland in my last patrol (an island I often visited before in real life : part of my familly is from Bremen and as I was a kid I often made Butterfahrten mid70s-80s when Europe was not a single customs area as today).

But near to it I was deeply shocked. :eek:

Wat ? Wie ? Waar is de Lange Anna ???

Please can you do a big favour only for me and replace this awful pyramid against the Lange Anna / Nathurn Stak. :/\\k:

Besides joking if I can help I'm ready.:Kaleun_Smile:
Moin, moin.

Well.. a long long time has passed since Helgoland was made by TigerKatziTatzi in 2006 if I remember correct.
He made Helgoland as good as he could because there are several SH3 limitations in changing terrain.
I myself also used the terrain editor a long time ago.
So... the question is if the nescessary changes could be made with the SH3 terrain limitations.

@Anvar1061

Try to use WAC5.1 basic.cfg for black sea SH3 commander start.
I reduced the black sea campaign basic.cfg a lot to have only type IIA available.

[SW1899]

This one was a polish flagged hospital ship,

:Kaleun_Salute: Ahoi Capt. Morgan,

This happened to me now too at the end of Patrol 18 : attacked convoy - all marked red - and intentionally targeted Carham Hospital Ship with British flag; result -5000 in renown. :arrgh!:

I think the thing to do is to change the value as ArnoldR explained in the Basic.cfg file - in Cfg subfolder of Game Data folder.

Set values now to and will see next :

[RENOWN]
RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500
RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200
CompletedPatrol=100
NEUTRAL=1
ALLIED=1
AXIS=-1
WrongShipSunk=-1
FirstRankRenown=1000
SecondRankRenown=3500
EndCampaign=5000

Greetings

[SW1899]

[QUOTE=HanSolo78;2630200]Well.. a long long time has passed since Helgoland was made by TigerKatziTatzi in 2006 if I remember correct.
He made Helgoland as good as he could because there are several SH3 limitations in changing terrain.
I myself also used the terrain editor a long time ago.
So... the question is if the nescessary changes could be made with the SH3 terrain limitations.

:Kaleun_Salute: Ahoi HanSolo,
Thank you for your answer. Schade, Schade.
OK when Terrain limitations then no use to do it in anyway.
They are for sure other features that are better for game improvement as you said.

Preparing for Patrol 19 September 1941.

:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: Moin.