2016 US Presidential election thread

[Onkel Neal]

That's why it is strange that congress has an approval rate of under 20% but each member of congress has an approval rate of over 90%

You see, it is YOUR representative that sucks, Mine is pretty good. That's why they have about a 90% chance of being re-elected. :doh:

Yeah, agreed. I tell you what, I'll vote against my congressman if you vote against yours. Same deal with you I made about President with my democrat friends, no more Bushes, if no more Clintons....:shifty:

[Rockstar]

No deals. No deals.

Don't make me break out my secret weapon code name 'Oberon'

[Oberon]

Don't make me break out my secret weapon code name 'Oberon'

https://media.giphy.com/media/Zb3zwgpP35GyQ/giphy.gif

[AVGWarhawk]

[QUOTE=Onkel Neal;2441148 no more Bushes, if no more Clintons....:shifty:
[/QUOTE]
Please please no.......

[Mr Quatro]

I'm a little slow sometimes, but I can't figure out if this is good or bad.

What does, "STATE officials mean? Sounds like a movie, 'The Shadow Government'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/0159540e-a39f-3433-8039-21f51b58afab/new-fbi-release-on-clinton.html

"There was a powerful group of very high-ranking STATE officials that some referred to as 'The 7th Floor Group' or 'The Shadow Government.' This group met every Wednesday afternoon to discuss the FOIA process, Congressional records, and everything CLINTON-related to FOIA/Congressional inquiries," the FBI's interview summary said.

That group, according to the summary, argued for a Clinton document release to be conducted all at once "for coordination purposes" instead of on a rolling basis as would normally be the case. But the "Shadow Government" did not get its way, and the agency in charge decided for a rolling release, the FBI summary said.

[August]

What does, "STATE officials mean? Sounds like a movie, 'The Shadow Government'

I think they mean State Department officials...

[Platapus]

Yeah, agreed. I tell you what, I'll vote against my congressman if you vote against yours. Same deal with you I made about President with my democrat friends, no more Bushes, if no more Clintons....:shifty:

My motto is: When in doubt, vote em out

:up:

I think that 535 random people off the streets could hardly do a worse job than congress.

[August]

My motto is: When in doubt, vote em out

:up:

I think that 535 random people off the streets could hardly do a worse job than congress.

They'd sure have a big job converting 350 volumes of US code legalese into something that can be read by a real person.

[Buddahaid]

You're assuming they can read them. I think they depend on their staff for a lot of that in general.

[August]

You're assuming they can read them. I think they depend on their staff for a lot of that in general.

My problem is that is written by lawyers for lawyers. We're told that ignorance of the law is no excuse but they're written in a way that most people without a law degree just cannot understand.

[MaDef]

My problem is that is written by lawyers for lawyers. We're told that ignorance of the law is no excuse but they're written in a way that most people without a law degree just cannot understand. Yep, And this doesn't stop at the federal level either, from my experience state and local ordinances & laws are just as convoluted.

[Mr Quatro]

I don't like Hillary or Donald and then the Lord gave me hope. Maybe there is hope after the election. :up:

Seed thought: https://thinkprogress.org/what-you-need-to-know-about-tim-kaine-hillary-clintons-vice-president-pick-832de5b910a0#.9kwsokhi2

Hillary Clinton announced Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) as her running mate.

Elected to the United States Senate in 2012, Kaine previously served as mayor of Richmond from 1998–2001, lieutenant governor of Virginia from 2002–2005, governor of Virginia from 2006–2010, and chair of the Democratic National Committee from 2009 to 2011.

Kaine has a solid record on many core Democratic issues. He supports President Obama’s Affordable Care Act and has long been opposed to the use of the death penalty. Kaine is a strong supporter of comprehensive immigration reform, favoring a pathway to citizenship for immigrants. As governor, he pushed to offer universal pre-kindargarten and also signed a bill to ban smoking in Virginia bars and restaurants.
Additionally, Kaine has spoken out strongly about the need to address global climate change. In 2012, he said “humans have a responsibility to do something” about climate change. He has a lifetime score of 91 percent from the League of Conservation Voters, opposed the Keystone XL pipeline and protected 400,000 acres of land from being developed when he was governor of Virginia.

However, Kaine’s climate record does come with a couple caveats. He has supported offshore drilling in the Atlantic Ocean and also supported a measure that fast-tracked the building of natural gas terminals.
Kaine has a strong pro-gun control record. While running for the Senate in 2012, he received an “F” from the National Rifle Association. As a governor, he vetoed a bill that would have allowed the carrying of guns in vehicles and has introduced gun control bills in the Senate.

Widely seen as a safe pick, Kaine is well-liked by his Senate colleagues.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't like Hillary or Donald and then the Lord gave me hope. Maybe there is hope after the election. :up:

Seed thought: https://thinkprogress.org/what-you-need-to-know-about-tim-kaine-hillary-clintons-vice-president-pick-832de5b910a0#.9kwsokhi2

Hillary Clinton announced Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) as her running mate.

Kaine is well liked by his Senate colleagues. Means he plays well with others when required. Kaine will be as affective as Biden was in foreign relations.

[August]

He likes to infringe on the second amendment which means I oppose him.

[AVGWarhawk]

He likes to infringe on the second amendment which means I oppose him.

And with Hillary's assistance the 2nd will be taken away. Just wait until SCOTUS is loaded with those that want to abolish the 2nd Amendment. Won't be long. Vacant spot and quite a few way past retirement age.

[Mr Quatro]

And with Hillary's assistance the 2nd will be taken away. Just wait until SCOTUS is loaded with those that want to abolish the 2nd Amendment. Won't be long. Vacant spot and quite a few way past retirement age.

The president can't do anything without the House and the Senate being in agreement and that includes the next supreme court person.

However there is a little thing coming up in November called a Nation election and they better hold on to their offices they have now or all hell is going to break loose with the Trump losers. :D

[AVGWarhawk]

The president can't do anything without the House and the Senate being in agreement and that includes the next supreme court person.

However there is a little thing coming up in November called a Nation election and they better hold on to their offices they have now or all hell is going to break loose with the Trump losers. :D

The Repubs are going to be out. They were given the opportunity to do what they promised and did absolutely nothing. Congress is going to be Democratically controlled very soon. When that transpires watch the 2nd take the plunge.

[August]

The Repubs are going to be out. They were given the opportunity to do what they promised and did absolutely nothing. Congress is going to be Democratically controlled very soon. When that transpires watch the 2nd take the plunge.


Yep pretty much. They'll gut the 2nd and they'll severely erode the 1st amendment too. Say good bye to conservative talk radio too.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yep pretty much. They'll gut the 2nd and they'll severely erode the 1st amendment too. Say good bye to conservative talk radio too.

Say goodbye to conservative period. Progressive Liberal. It's whats on the agenda.

[Oberon]

The Repubs are going to be out. They were given the opportunity to do what they promised and did absolutely nothing. Congress is going to be Democratically controlled very soon. When that transpires watch the 2nd take the plunge.

BAE is going to make a killing selling arms during the new civil war.

[mapuc]

About this 2nd amendment

Somewhere I read a long article which explained why Clinton couldn't "by snap her fingers" remove or change one letter in this amendment.

Now I can't find it anymore and I can't remember every word

Markus

[Oberon]

About this 2nd amendment

Somewhere I read a long article which explained why Clinton couldn't "by snap her fingers" remove or change one letter in this amendment.

Now I can't find it anymore and I can't remember every word

Markus

I believe it would need to go through the Supreme Court and the House and Senate, it couldn't be done by Executive Order. The theory is that if the Democrats have control of these entities then they will destroy the Second Amendment and raise the armies of hell to lay waste to the fair lands of America...or something like that.

[August]

I believe it would need to go through the Supreme Court and the House and Senate, it couldn't be done by Executive Order. The theory is that if the Democrats have control of these entities then they will destroy the Second Amendment and raise the armies of hell to lay waste to the fair lands of America...or something like that.


Or something like that.... :roll:

[mapuc]

Or something like that.... :roll:


I remember something about ratification in each States of USA-it had to go through this.

Markus

[Rockstar]

About the only thing a president could do is I think is tax the snot out of firearms and ammunition which would raise the price making it a difficult purchase. Difficult for the poor and already disenfranchised citizens atleast, further dividing the classes. Then only the rich and their body guards will have guns. Lol

[AVGWarhawk]

BAE is going to make a killing selling arms during the new civil war.

About this 2nd amendment

Somewhere I read a long article which explained why Clinton couldn't "by snap her fingers" remove or change one letter in this amendment.

Now I can't find it anymore and I can't remember every word

Markus

I believe it would need to go through the Supreme Court and the House and Senate, it couldn't be done by Executive Order. The theory is that if the Democrats have control of these entities then they will destroy the Second Amendment and raise the armies of hell to lay waste to the fair lands of America...or something like that.

She will not snap her fingers. The controlled SCOTUS and Congress will do the snapping for her.

[AVGWarhawk]

About the only thing a president could do is I think is tax the snot out of firearms and ammunition which would raise the price making it a difficult purchase. Difficult for the poor and already disenfranchised citizens atleast, further dividing the classes. Then only the rich and their body guards will have guns. Lol

The street level criminal does not care about high taxation. What he cares about is a new found market of pushing guns/ammo that could pay much more than illegal drug sales could ever beat. More stuff coming over the borders illegally.

[Platapus]

And with Hillary's assistance the 2nd will be taken away. Just wait until SCOTUS is loaded with those that want to abolish the 2nd Amendment. Won't be long. Vacant spot and quite a few way past retirement age.


Hmm Same old story. Strange that at no time in my life has anyone tried to take away my guns.... but it is always a fear to some people.

I thought you guys said that Obama was gonna take away my guns?

[Mr Quatro]

About the only thing a president could do is I think is tax the snot out of firearms and ammunition which would raise the price making it a difficult purchase. Difficult for the poor and already disenfranchised citizens atleast, further dividing the classes. Then only the rich and their body guards will have guns. Lol

I hope they don't think of this :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Hmm Same old story.

Don't forget the death camps. :yep:

[mapuc]

I tried to find this article but couldn't find it, however I found this page and I recall a lot of it.

https://www.quora.com/Can-a-president-amend-the-constitution-without-the-support-of-the-senate-and-house-of-representatives

No. Only States through legislatures or Conventions can ratify amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Congress can propose amendments, but not ratify them. At no point is the President or the Supreme Court mentioned in any regard to amending the U.S. Constitution.


I believe this more than I believe someone posting stories like-Do not vote Clinton, ´cause she will remove 2nd amendment.

Markus

[Subnuts]

Trump has just arrived at the University of Nevada.
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[Mr Quatro]

Trump has just arrived at the University of Nevada.
http://i.giphy.com/x82idKYXxfiTK.gif

No, that's Trump on election night at NBC :D

[August]

I remember something about ratification in each States of USA-it had to go through this.

Markus

The key is the Supreme Court. If they say that a gun control action isn't infringing on the 2nd Amendment, or if they promote the concept that somehow the 2nd amendment doesn't actually mean what it says, then they don't need to worry about state ratification.

[mapuc]

The key is the Supreme Court. If they say that a gun control action isn't infringing on the 2nd Amendment, or if they promote the concept that somehow the 2nd amendment doesn't actually mean what it says, then they don't need to worry about state ratification.

So, if I understand you correctly, the Supreme Court can add some extra laws or what you call it to an amendment or approve such law from a President or Senat/Congress

Edit I made a search on this subject-"can supreme court change second amendment"

Needed more info about this-and to recall some of what I had read in this article I wrote about before.

Markus

[August]

Hmm Same old story. Strange that at no time in my life has anyone tried to take away my guns.... but it is always a fear to some people.

I thought you guys said that Obama was gonna take away my guns?

What, are you saying that he didn't try? Heck he succeeded in stripping the RKBA from over a quarter million veterans just because they asked for help from someone in managing their finances. I know that's only a small percentage of us but it's a solid indication of what he, and by extension what she, will be pushing from the Oval office.

[Nippelspanner]

For everyone who isn't fluent in August, let me translate:
Durr durkin' urr gurrrrns!!! :k_confused:

[MaDef]

So, if I understand you correctly, the Supreme Court can add some extra laws or what you call it to an amendment or approve such law from a President or Senat/Congress

Edit I made a search on this subject-"can supreme court change second amendment"

Needed more info about this-and to recall some of what I had read in this article I wrote about before.

Markus No they can't add or subtract from the laws. what they do is look at a law as it is applied and determine whether it runs afoul of the constitution or not.

Congress writes the "laws", they then send it to the president for ratification, He can sign it (making it the law) or veto it, if he vetos the bill (proposed law), it is sent back to congress, they can either rewrite it to comply with the presidents wishes, or they can over ride the veto with a 2/3 majority vote. at which point it becomes law without the presidents permission.

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/AAR2R1V.gif

[Bilge_Rat]

interesting, polls are tightening up again. After the blip caused by the "access Hollywood" video, national polls out today place Trump tied or ahead of Clinton:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

of more interest, in the latest Rasmussen poll, 56% of respondents said the mainstream media is working to get Clinton elected:

Most voters aren’t buying the story that the Russians are trying to manipulate the election for Donald Trump but think the U.S. media is trying to swing things for Hillary Clinton.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 56% of Likely U.S. Voters believe it’s more likely that many in the media are working to get Clinton elected president.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2016/most_say_media_not_russians_tilting_the_election

Always trust in the wisdom of voters to see through the bull.

[AVGWarhawk]

interesting, polls are tightening up again. After the blip caused by the "access Hollywood" video, national polls out today place Trump tied or ahead of Clinton:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

of more interest, in the latest Rasmussen poll, 56% of respondents said the mainstream media is working to get Clinton elected:



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2016/most_say_media_not_russians_tilting_the_election

Always trust in the wisdom of voters to see through the bull.

I don't think the Russian's are doing a darn thing to influence this election. If they are into our servers and such it may be a good time to stop bickering about it and shut it down so Russia can not continue getting information.

There is no doubt the media is looking to sway the vote. Happens all the time. But this time the media is really getting called out on it.

[Platapus]

What, are you saying that he didn't try? Heck he succeeded in stripping the RKBA from over a quarter million veterans just because they asked for help from someone in managing their finances. I know that's only a small percentage of us but it's a solid indication of what he, and by extension what she, will be pushing from the Oval office.


I have been a gun owner for over 30 years through Republican and Democratic administrations and congresses.

No one has tried to take away any of my guns, nor the guns of anyone I know.

You would think that if that were their objective they would have done it by now.

As for the VA. No one is taking any guns away from Veterans. There is no proviso in the laws that calls for confiscation of guns. The only effect that that there is a chance that they won't be approved for purchases of future guns and the vets can request a hearing to challenge the ruling. 38 C.F.R 3.353

If the Veteran is claiming that they are mentally or physically unable to fill out financial paperwork and otherwise are unable to manage their financial affairs, and that they need the assistance of the VA for this task, should this person really be able to buy guns?

Remember that the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Fiduciary Program purpose is to "..protect Veterans and beneficiaries who are unable to manage their VA benefits through the appointment and oversight of a fiduciary." http://www.benefits.va.gov/fiduciary/beneficiary.asp

But in any case, still, no one is taking guns away from people. They are just preventing these select individuals from purchasing guns in accordance with PL 103-159 which was passed in 1994.

If the VA were not to report this information they would be in violation of the law.

[mapuc]

Trying to see how USA would look like in about 4 years from now if:

Clinton win the election *
or
Trump win the election **

* It will business as usual-standard Dem politics like the last 8 years, I don't think there will be any huge change there.

** Trump is a member of the Republican-I don't see him as an ordinary Republican politician-So here I can not say what type of politics he are going to use.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Trying to see how USA would look like in about 4 years from now if:

Clinton win the election *
or
Trump win the election **

* It will business as usual-standard Dem politics like the last 8 years, I don't think there will be any huge change there.

** Trump is a member of the Republican-I don't see him as an ordinary Republican politician-So here I can not say what type of politics he are going to use.

Markus

Well considering every four years like a broken record we hear the same song and dance over and over again. Noting that in my 54 years of life nothing really changes, Sure we have our ups and downs but for the most part I would say the USA will continue business as usual until the next presidential election cycle. When once again we will by bombarded by the hype and hysteria of the hacks, shills, talking heads and political prophets of doom.

[August]

I have been a gun owner for over 30 years through Republican and Democratic administrations and congresses.

No one has tried to take away any of my guns, nor the guns of anyone I know.

You would think that if that were their objective they would have done it by now.

Taking away guns refers to the right of possession and you know it. It's a distortion to define it as the act of actually removing them from a persons possession by force although that can, has and will continue to happen if Law Enforcement finds them in a banned persons possession.

[August]

Here's Freds take on the election:

Ronald McDonald or Lucretia Borgia?: In the Long Run, We Are all Dead

http://fredoneverything.org/ready-ronald-mcdonald-or-lucretia-borgia-in-the-long-run-we-are-all-dead/

Dunno if I agree with all of it but there is a lot of truth to what he says...

[Oberon]

political prophets of doom.

I wonder who will run against Hillary in 2020, or indeed if she'll seek a re-election. I imagine she will, but I guess it depends on what state the GOP is in as to who will run against her. Maybe they'll airlift McMullin in if he gets Utah. :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Here's Freds take on the election:

Ronald McDonald or Lucretia Borgia?: In the Long Run, We Are all Dead

http://fredoneverything.org/ready-ronald-mcdonald-or-lucretia-borgia-in-the-long-run-we-are-all-dead/

Dunno if I agree with all of it but there is a lot of truth to what he says...

America is ruled by the Five Cities, Boston, New York, Washington, Tel Aviv, and Hollywood.

http://i.imgur.com/JU9ADec.jpg

[August]

picture lifted from the internet intended to dismiss and marginalize what was an entertaining bit of writing

Yeah it sounds silly I know because politicians never have any respect for the Jewish community.

[Rockstar]

I wonder who will run against Hillary in 2020, or indeed if she'll seek a re-election. I imagine she will, but I guess it depends on what state the GOP is in as to who will run against her. Maybe they'll airlift McMullin in if he gets Utah. :hmmm:

She'll not need to seek re-election as she will have subdued the citizens, abolished the constitution, taken control of the armies and proclaimed herself dictator for life. Oh, and I do believe that would make Chelsea next in-line. :yep:

[razark]

She'll not need to seek re-election as she will have subdued the citizens, abolished the constitution, taken control of the armies and proclaimed herself dictator for life.
But that's what they said Obama was going to do?

[Buddahaid]

She'll not need to seek re-election as she will have subdued the citizens, abolished the constitution, taken control of the armies and proclaimed herself dictator for life. Oh, and I do believe that would make Chelsea next in-line. :yep:

:up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/primaryhistory/famouspeople/elizabeth_i/images/elizabeth_portrait.jpg

Oops! How did she get in here....

[Aktungbby]

^AND she'll be declared a virgin....again!:Kaleun_Salivating:

[Schroeder]

^AND she'll be declared a virgin....again!:Kaleun_Salivating:
I thought it was about 72 virgins and not being a virgin at 72.:hmm2:

[Oberon]

reply using modification of quotation to highlight Oberons dismissive attitude towards an entertaining article even though I was just as dismissive towards an article which I considered bias towards the Democrats earlier on during the same day.

But I thought the Jews ran everything, or at least were a part of the conspiracy to rig the election for Clinton. :haha:

[Oberon]

:up:
Oops! How did she get in here....

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/c9aa8d7c-4ecf-49b8-9e63-70a82b1f9c5c/536d7d16-4aac-4a5b-9b1b-b347509e5883.gif

She'll not need to seek re-election as she will have subdued the citizens, abolished the constitution, taken control of the armies and proclaimed herself dictator for life. Oh, and I do believe that would make Chelsea next in-line. :yep:

Still a better heir than Prince Charles. :haha:

[Rockstar]

But that's what they said Obama was going to do?


thats true, though hes not just any old run of the mill dictator. He's the anti-christ, just you wait and see!

[Oberon]

thats true, though hes not just any old run of the mill dictator. He's the anti-christ, just you wait and see!

https://media.giphy.com/media/12O2XuGsIx1OvK/giphy.gif

[August]

But I thought the Jews ran everything, or at least were a part of the conspiracy to rig the election for Clinton. :haha:

Been reading mein kampf before bed again Oberon?

[Oberon]

Been reading mein kampf before bed again Oberon?

Just brushing up on recommended reading, you know, get ahead of current trends.
Das Kapital is next. :yep: :haha:

[Nippelspanner]

Been reading mein kampf before bed again Oberon?
Kinda funny I receive an infraction for simply rephrasing your stupid and bigoted drivel without even insulting you, yet you get away with crap like this (and sooo many other things) - but I guess it just pays off to bury your head deep in someones butt, doesn't it?

Just because you rarely insult anyone directly, your hateful, bigoted and constantly passive-aggressive drivel that you hide between some insidious 'kind' words to get away with it is what turns this board to crap.
Subsim is home to some really viscous and deceitful sunzabitches by now and often I get the feeling you lead the way!
Before you open your gap and blubber about me being hypocritical because my posts are often very nonchalant, remember that at least I never hide my opinion, intention or even insults like some coward, I say what I gotta say and I am honest about it, willing to bear the consequences.

I might quite often be a dick about things, I am aware of that and mostly I'm even sorry for my rather bad temper, mostly, but at least I don't hand out low blows wrapped up with some deceitful 'nice' words to circumvent the consequences from a moderation that looks away in your case too often anyways.
The verbal garbage you spilled over the past years really starts to stink and while others get infractions, your pompous, gullible and ugly persona gets away all the time because you know how to kneel.

You called veterans who served in NATO countries "just a leg" because they weren't Airborne!
You told others to shut up in debates about issues that were primarily or exclusively are about America, because "you're not even American!".
As soon as someone criticizes anything American in any way, you immediately say "but, but what about your country!!1" instead of actually addressing the points made by the poster - which clearly shows your 'priorities'.
And IF you do, every blue moon, it is always "the others" aka "dem liburalls!" and their evil lying media - while acting as if only democrats and liberals have biased media that's lying their prints off!

And you are surprised when people mock you!?
You know what?

[Bilge_Rat]

..this is going well...


https://media3.giphy.com/media/1pw5Hn77ylYxW/200.gif#21

[Rockstar]

Considering its a politics thread I too think its going quite well. :Kaleun_Cheers: Its more civil here than what we see on the news thats for sure.

[Mr Quatro]

I wonder who will run against Hillary in 2020, or indeed if she'll seek a re-election. I imagine she will, but I guess it depends on what state the GOP is in as to who will run against her. Maybe they'll airlift McMullin in if he gets Utah. :hmmm:

Hillary hasn't made it past the inauguration January 20th yet

Friday, January 20
Inauguration Day 2017

After Hillary wins, for her party November 8th, will come a series of actions designed to keep her from taking the oath.

We might see a historical even that has never happened before, even the supreme court can't agree with only four judges.

Stay tuned folks it's not over till the fat lady sings ... :D:arrgh!::o

[Oberon]

Stay tuned folks it's not over till the fat lady sings ... :D:arrgh!::o

True, true, I just keep remembering Brexit and, of course:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg

[Rockstar]

I aint heard no fat lady singing yet either :D

http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Mission-Accomplished.jpg

[Takeda Shingen]

Nah, it's over. Although part of me is morbidly curious to see America under God Emperor Trump, the reality of the situation will force me to rely on hilarious internet memes. Probably for the best.

https://i.redd.it/vhvzq7ka3a7x.jpg

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/1iJY1UL.png

"Nasty woman!" :03: :haha:

[eddie]

Anyone getting tired of the political commercials on television yet? What a load of crap!! No one on either side talks about what they would do while in office, its just attack after attack!! And its going to get worse as we get closer to election day!:nope:

[Oberon]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3aGZA6WLI9Jde/giphy.gif

http://usuncut.com/politics/joe-biden-fist-fight/

[Torplexed]

Well, my election ballot arrived by mail today. After months of agonizing, I've made my choice at last. Glad that nightmare is over with.

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Ballot.jpg

[Buddahaid]

Anyone getting tired of the political commercials on television yet? What a load of crap!! No one on either side talks about what they would do while in office, its just attack after attack!! And its going to get worse as we get closer to election day!:nope:

I haven't seen one. Seriously.

[Onkel Neal]

Amazing that Clinton's duplicity as revealed in Wikileaks has not gotten much attention. Some of this stuff is Nixonian. I guess it proves the adage that people believe what they want to believe.

'A public and a private position'
In excerpts from one of Mrs Clinton's paid speeches to Wall Street bankers, she said: "Politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be.
"But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position."

That reminds me of the Obamacare architect's admission that the American public was stupid, and the nation shrugged. :haha:

[Oberon]

I think that most people, deep down, admit that politicians are duplicitous and that it seems to be just part of the job. That, coupled with the never ending font of headlines that is the Donald is probably why that didn't get much spotlight.

[STEED]

So how long will it be before Clinton declares war on Russia once she wins? :hmmm:

Her tone is sure getting close to the line.


Have these two awful candidate finally woken people up and in four years time both party's will put up better candidates than these two pudding heads.

[Oberon]

This whole 'No-Fly Zone' over Syria will certainly be interesting. :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Have these two awful candidate finally woken people up and in four years time both party's will put up better candidates than these two pudding heads.
Probably not. The world seems filled with people who are convinced they're right, and seem incapable of talking about anything other than how bad the other side's guy (or gal) is.

[STEED]

Probably not. The world seems filled with people who are convinced they're right, and seem incapable of talking about anything other than how bad the other side's guy (or gal) is.

Oh dear..

[Mr Quatro]

I guess it proves the adage that people believe what they want to believe.


Perception = reality for both sides:yep:

a way of regarding, understanding, or interpreting something; a mental impression.

[mapuc]

Some information about your politicians-and it goes where ever they practice their politics around in the world

They are clever enough to get you and others to vote on them or their parties.

Markus

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Anyone getting tired of the political commercials on television yet? What a load of crap!! No one on either side talks about what they would do while in office, its just attack after attack!! And its going to get worse as we get closer to election day!:nope:

Not me!! I don't live in a battleground state!!

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Hillary hasn't made it past the inauguration January 20th yet

Friday, January 20
Inauguration Day 2017

After Hillary wins, for her party November 8th, will come a series of actions designed to keep her from taking the oath.

We might see a historical even that has never happened before, even the supreme court can't agree with only four judges.

Stay tuned folks it's not over till the fat lady sings ... :D:arrgh!::o

Gosh, why would the Supreme Court only have four justices?

And you think illegitimate, possibly illegal, and certainly immoral action to subvert democracy is fine if your side loses?

[Mr Quatro]

Gosh, why would the Supreme Court only have four justices?

And you think illegitimate, possibly illegal, and certainly immoral action to subvert democracy is fine if your side loses?

My side can't lose anymore ... you must be referring to the old Mr Quatro that was pro Trump. Now I am for neither side to win.

Trump lost me when he said the border patrol was going to let the illegals in on election day so that they could vote for Hillary. I said enough is enough.

I don't think guns will come out over this election unless it was so close the Supreme Court had to decide the outcome like they did with Gore and Bush.

Looks like a barn burner, but I've been wrong before with McCain. So don't blame me if the one that wins is really the loser. :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

I don't think guns will come out over this election unless it was so close the Supreme Court had to decide the outcome like they did with Gore and Bush.
The US Supreme Court didn't decide the outcome. That was done by the Florida Attorney General. The Florida Supreme Court ruled that she didn't have that power. The Federal Supreme Court overruled them.

Merely a technicality, you might say, but technically that's the way it happened.

[razark]

http://i.imgur.com/7csRZE9.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

The US Supreme Court didn't decide the outcome. That was done by the Florida Attorney General. The Florida Supreme Court ruled that she didn't have that power. The Federal Supreme Court overruled them.

Merely a technicality, you might say, but technically that's the way it happened.

That's good tech stuff Steve ... it's good to have a ying and yang in here.

I forget ... which one am I? :D

[Rockstar]

http://i.imgur.com/7csRZE9.jpg

:har:

[Sailor Steve]

I forget ... which one am I? :D
I'm always the bad one, so I guess you must be...




The other bad one! :O:

[Reece]

I'm always the bad one
I vouch for that Steve!:yep:

[mapuc]

I may not know who's going to win this election, even though Clinton is in the lead

I do know who's going to be Dem's next candidate for the next upcoming election in 2020/2024

Michelle Obama-Saw this on a page-Some has started to draft her.

End of this off topic story, back to this election

Markus

[Skybird]

I may not know who's going to win this election, even though Clinton is in the lead

I do know who's going to be Dem's next candidate for the next upcoming election in 2020/2024


Markus
Is no secret that I now think Trump has sunk himself already, but still - no matter which of the two plagues will infest the Whitehouse, he or she is doomed to widen the trenches in America.

If people think it could not become worse than this year, wait until the campaign 2020.

From 2024 on we maybe can expect to see body juices being spilled live on TV, and from 2028 on I expect the candidates to rape each other two death on stage. Thats why there will be just one TV duel from 2028 on. Great relief, if you ask me.

[Oberon]

http://images2.static-bluray.com/reviews/8126_5.jpg

"TWO CANDIDATES ENTER, ONE PRESIDENT LEAVES!!"

[August]

Unless Trump wins next month I don't think we'll see Michele Obama run before 2024. Clinton isn't going to want to give up power after 1 term and the Dems aren't going to push her out.

[AVGWarhawk]

Is no secret that I now think Trump has sunk himself already, but still - no matter which of the two plagues will infest the Whitehouse, he or she is doomed to widen the trenches in America.

If people think it could not become worse than this year, wait until the campaign 2020.

From 2024 on we maybe can expect to see body juices being spilled live on TV, and from 2028 on I expect the candidates to rape each other two death on stage. Thats why there will be just one TV duel from 2028 on. Great relief, if you ask me.

When do tickets go on sale?

[AVGWarhawk]

Unless Trump wins next month I don't think we'll see Michele Obama run before 2024. Clinton isn't going to want to give up power after 1 term and the Dems aren't going to push her out.

Michele would be wasting her time looking to run.

[mapuc]

How correct is our news paper, English and others when it comes to give an exact pictures of how many people there are at these rallies

Saw not so long ago two picture, one from Clinton meeting=little to medium filled crowed area in front and almost around Clinton

The picture from the Trump meeting= looked like the super Bowl.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

How correct is our news paper, English and others when it comes to give an exact pictures of how many people there are at these rallies

Saw not so long ago two picture, one from Clinton meeting=little to medium filled crowed area in front and almost around Clinton

The picture from the Trump meeting= looked like the super Bowl.

Markus

A majority of it is staged. The people in the back rows behind the candidates are every color and ethnicity under the sun. Sure, there may a rally or two where the crowd is thin and the media will play on it stating no one cared to show. Then there are times there is a super bowl crowd and if the media is not in the tank for the candidate the will turn instead to some heated fight between two rally participants.

[Onkel Neal]

Unless Trump wins next month I don't think we'll see Michele Obama run before 2024. Clinton isn't going to want to give up power after 1 term and the Dems aren't going to push her out.

I'm probably giving Michelle Obama too much credit, but I don't think she wants to be president. At least, I hope that's true.

[Catfish]

Well after those beautiful examples with the Bush dynasty, and Clinton :hmmm:

I assume she will not. But she'd be a better candidate than all, in this election. Even Sméagol would be.
Nothing against Michelle Obama though.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm probably giving Michelle Obama too much credit, but I don't think she wants to be president. At least, I hope that's true.

Michelle Obama....8 years she accomplished a "victory garden." She will disappear into the hills of Hawaii with BO and hope her college dissertations remain under lock and key for a very long time.

[Oberon]

At least none of your senators have been killed during this campaign, so I guess that's a one up for you over us. :nope:

[Armistead]

How correct is our news paper, English and others when it comes to give an exact pictures of how many people there are at these rallies

Saw not so long ago two picture, one from Clinton meeting=little to medium filled crowed area in front and almost around Clinton

The picture from the Trump meeting= looked like the super Bowl.

Markus

like when hillary is live on fb video, she may have 10 viewers and most posting mocking comments...trump live...usually over 100,000 viewers and most pulling for him

[Catfish]

At least none of your senators have been killed during this campaign, so I guess that's a one up for you over us. :nope:

Do you think this had any impact on the Brexit vote?

[mapuc]

like when hillary is live on fb video, she may have 10 viewers and most posting mocking comments...trump live...usually over 100,000 viewers and most pulling for him

Why I asked you is that most of those who have posted those pictures are Trump supporters and I wanted to know for sure.


In my opinion AVGWarhawk was correct, when he wrote that most of it is staged

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

At least none of your senators have been killed during this campaign, so I guess that's a one up for you over us. :nope:


That was terrible. Cross your fingers we don't have an occurrence like that here, we have more than our share of maniacs.

[Oberon]

That was terrible. Cross your fingers we don't have an occurrence like that here, we have more than our share of maniacs.

Aye, although Obama has managed eight years without getting shot at. I honestly did not expect that. Ok, the White House was shot at, but I meant actual Reagan or JFK style assasination. I didn't expect him to make it.
I guess the Secret Service certainly help, they're certainly no slouches.
But yes, I hope things pass peacefully over there, although the rhetoric on both sides really hasn't helped, as it didn't here either.

Do you think this had any impact on the Brexit vote?

A small ripple maybe, but not that much of a difference I think.

[Onkel Neal]

Aye, although Obama has managed eight years without getting shot at. I honestly did not expect that. Ok, the White House was shot at, but I meant actual Reagan or JFK style assasination. I didn't expect him to make it.

.

Well, I would argue that white people in America are not as racist as the media and the black power activist groups portrays us. Sure, it's easy for the to scream "Racist!" whenever someone disagrees but it doesn't make it accurate.

[Skybird]

Or white Americans are just awfull at aiming a rifle, and they all missed.

:O:

[Onkel Neal]

Haha, I doubt that, we have so much practice. :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Why I asked you is that most of those who have posted those pictures are Trump supporters and I wanted to know for sure.


In my opinion AVGWarhawk was correct, when he wrote that most of it is staged

Markus

I have first hand experience in "staged' press conferences dated back to Katrina.

[Bilge_Rat]

I had read somewhere that Obama had received way more threaths than his predecessor. The issue is not the lack of threats, but the secret Service seems to be a lot more effective.

[Mr Quatro]

I had read somewhere that Obama had received way more threaths than his predecessor. The issue is not the lack of threats, but the secret Service seems to be a lot more effective.

Which is amazing ... considering all of the traveling he has done, too bad he didn't do anything good that will last.

Obama will go back home to Hawaii or Chicago and ACA will be gone in two years. I feel sorry for all of the poor people that benifited from ACA, especially the first ones with uncovered insurance needs that were let in.

ACA needs a real overhaul and I'm not so sure either one of these canidates qualify to get the job done.

[AVGWarhawk]

I had read somewhere that Obama had received way more threaths than his predecessor.

I had read the same.

[AVGWarhawk]

Which is amazing ... considering all of the traveling he has done, too bad he didn't do anything good that will last.

Obama will go back home to Hawaii or Chicago and ACA will be gone in two years. I feel sorry for all of the poor people that benifited from ACA, especially the first ones with uncovered insurance needs that were let in.

ACA needs a real overhaul and I'm not so sure either one of these canidates qualify to get the job done.

Yeah...8 years of bad policy but got in enough travel and golf to last a last a lifetime.

The ACA will not go away. It will be repealed and replaced or the current law fine tuned. As of this date the ACA is not sustainable. Premiums did double over night. People can not afford that. Image if your rent/mortgage doubled over night. :o This is the ACA currently. The ACA has been handled very poorly. I know many who get the coverage for free by simply LYING on the applications and getting away with it. There is no oversight or follow up on applicants that have homes and families but claim their median income is $3.00. Yet they just financed a trip to Italy for 2 weeks. :06: Another government program that is abused.

Hillary will be going for a single payer systems.

[Bilge_Rat]

the polls are rigged.

Trump has been saying it, for what it is worth, but since I look at the polls often I had noticed the same thing. Polls by many media organization often show a 10+ advantage to Clinton, while polls by more independent pollsters often show only a 3-5 points gap.

It turns out the Clinton campaign were rigging the polls to get more favorable results, per Wikileaks:

Now, for all of you out there who still aren't convinced that the polls are "adjusted", we present to you the following Podesta email, leaked earlier today, that conveniently spells out, in detail, exactly how to "manufacture" the desired data. The email starts out with a request for recommendations on "oversamples for polling" in order to "maximize what we get out of our media polling."

I also want to get your Atlas folks to recommend oversamples for our polling before we start in February. By market, regions, etc. I want to get this all compiled into one set of recommendations so we can maximize what we get out of our media polling.


As to what oversampling is, it means including more favorable, i.e. more democrats, in your polls than are in the electorate:

Earlier this morning we wrote about the obvious sampling bias in the latest ABC / Washington Post poll that showed a 12-point national advantage for Hillary. Like many of the recent polls from Reuters, ABC and The Washington Post, this latest poll included a 9-point sampling bias toward registered democrats.

"METHODOLOGY – This ABC News poll was conducted by landline and cellular telephone Oct. 20-22, 2016, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 874 likely voters. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points, including the design effect. Partisan divisions are 36-27-31 percent, Democrats - Republicans - Independents."

Of course, while democrats may enjoy a slight registration advantage of a couple of points, it is nowhere near the 9 points reflected in this latest poll.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/new-podesta-email-exposes-dem-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples

[Onkel Neal]

I believe it. Plus, factor in that Google was cooking search results in her favor for months.

[AVGWarhawk]

I believe it as well. The polling goes for certain areas that will have a lot of democrats or republicans. This naturally skews the poll if the calls are legitimately done. I never trusted the polls.

Another issue long ago was the media calling a state on election eve before the voting booths were closed. This kept people home. Why vote if the state has been declared? Another funny game is robo-calls on election day stating such and such candidate has won the state. No sense going to vote right?


Voting in a US election is rigged as rigged can get.

[Platapus]

Well if you can come up with a way of preventing any of the press from reporting on the election, I am sure we would welcome the suggestion.

Unfortunately, my state law requires that as soon as I publish my precinct's unofficial results they are public information.

[Buddahaid]

Another issue long ago was the media calling a state on election eve before the voting booths were closed. This kept people home. Why vote if the state has been declared? Another funny game is robo-calls on election day stating such and such candidate has won the state. No sense going to vote right?


Voting in a US election is rigged as rigged can get.

I wouldn't call that rigging the vote at all because people can still vote how they want. Rigging would require altering votes cast. What it is is using influence to change peoples minds and is no different than any political advertisement for that matter.

[mapuc]

How reliable is your voting machines ?

Have throughout the evening seen many posted links to article and videos telling that these voting machines change the peoples choice

Or is it the person who voted, that can't figure out how it works ?

Markus

[Buddahaid]

It's fear mongering bull.

[Méo]

I heard somewhere that Trump is thinking about suing some polling organizations.

[MaDef]

How reliable is your voting machines ?

Have throughout the evening seen many posted links to article and videos telling that these voting machines change the peoples choice

Or is it the person who voted, that can't figure out how it works ?

MarkusI'll take moronic voter for 400, Alex. ;)

[Takeda Shingen]

All of the employees at Trump National Doral are having problems with Obamacare. And by that, one can infer that some of the employees at Trump National Doral are having problems with Obamacare. This really means that several employees at Trump National Doral are having problems with Obamacare. To clarify, maybe some employees at Trump National Doral are going to be taken off Obamacare. Maybe.

[em2nought]

Trump is the human Molotov cocktail that voters can throw! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc

[Mr Quatro]

All of the employees at Trump National Doral are having problems with Obamacare. And by that, one can infer that some of the employees at Trump National Doral are having problems with Obamacare. This really means that several employees at Trump National Doral are having problems with Obamacare. To clarify, maybe some employees at Trump National Doral are going to be taken off Obamacare. Maybe.

Trump is going to lose there is no doubt in my mind that this is going to happen and no matter how good his math was in bringing this problem of ACA (Obama Care) to light and it should've been the number one topic for the moderator, but never was.

What happens instead is how many women Trump has put his hand up there dress and in the end this will be the weak link to his becoming the next POTUS.

I still think Hillary has something in her closet that may not come out till after the election and force a situation where we may never have her or Trump for a president.

Time will tell (13 days that is) :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Trump is going to lose there is no doubt in my mind that this is going to happen and no matter how good his math was in bringing this problem of ACA (Obama Care) to light and it should've been the number one topic for the moderator, but never was.

What happens instead is how many women Trump has put his hand up there dress and in the end this will be the weak link to his becoming the next POTUS.

I still think Hillary has something in her closet that may not come out till after the election and force a situation where we may never have her or Trump for a president.

Time will tell (13 days that is) :yep:

Stranger things have happened when using math. As far as the ACA and a topic for not only moderators but the media as well is a sure indicator both entities have had the ax out on Trump. As far as the women and Trump, the exact same tactic was used on Herman Kaine. Welcome to Trumps swift boat. Hillary has a crap load in her closet. Problem is her voting public turn a blind eye.

[AVGWarhawk]

I wouldn't call that rigging the vote at all because people can still vote how they want. Rigging would require altering votes cast. What it is is using influence to change peoples minds and is no different than any political advertisement for that matter.

Machines have been known to change votes. Just a day ago in TX claims of voting straight republican was changed by the machine to straight dem.

[Takeda Shingen]

Trump is going to lose there is no doubt in my mind that this is going to happen and no matter how good his math was in bringing this problem of ACA (Obama Care) to light and it should've been the number one topic for the moderator, but never was.

What happens instead is how many women Trump has put his hand up there dress and in the end this will be the weak link to his becoming the next POTUS.

I still think Hillary has something in her closet that may not come out till after the election and force a situation where we may never have her or Trump for a president.

Time will tell (13 days that is) :yep:

The blame falls on the candidate, does it not? The circus exists because Trump creates and nurtures it. Even yesterday, where the purpose was to use the ACA against his opponent he fell due to his own rhetoric. He stands at his new golf resort in front of a host of minority employees who then come forward one at a time to state their allegiance to The Donald with very clear "don't fire me" overtones. Afterwards he uses the situation to slam the ACA, but not without injuring himself by indicating that said resort may not actually provide health insurance to its employees. He and his managers then spend the rest of the day on the defense, trying to walk back his previous remarks.

That the media focuses on such spectacle is not a fault of the media. Trump is a walking disaster, and it is impossible to avoid.

[Oberon]

I dunno, there's a new scandal that has rocked the Clinton camp, see:

http://americannews.com/hillary-clintons-hitman-reveals-dark-secret-that-she-thought-hed-take-to-the-grave/

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/14731291_1293531620689448_541789328870415846_n.jpg ?oh=323bcdb1e7189e52c25ddaee8e8cc82c&oe=588C18EF

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband

[Takeda Shingen]

I dunno, there's a new scandal that has rocked the Clinton camp, see:

http://americannews.com/hillary-clintons-hitman-reveals-dark-secret-that-she-thought-hed-take-to-the-grave/

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/14731291_1293531620689448_541789328870415846_n.jpg ?oh=323bcdb1e7189e52c25ddaee8e8cc82c&oe=588C18EF

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband

And to carry on like that at Nelson Mandela's funeral. Shameful.

[Oberon]

And to carry on like that at Nelson Mandela's funeral. Shameful.

I know, I know...disgraceful indeed. :yep:

[Platapus]

Machines have been known to change votes. Just a day ago in TX claims of voting straight republican was changed by the machine to straight dem.

The important question is what did the investigation show. A claim is just a claim.

Not that I am intimating that a Republican would ever lie to make the Democrats look bad.... or the other way around. That would be wrong of me.

If a machine is malfunctioning, the voter needs to call over an election officer before casting the vote.

[AVGWarhawk]

The important question is what did the investigation show. A claim is just a claim.

Not that I am intimating that a Republican would ever lie to make the Democrats look bad.... or the other way around. That would be wrong of me.

If a machine is malfunctioning, the voter needs to call over an election officer before casting the vote.

It is a problem. Machines can have problems as seen here in MD...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/28/calibration-issue-in-maryland-voting-machines-swit/

The question remains...how many vote R and the machine switched to D without the voting citizen seeing the switch?

[mapuc]

Ok, so it seems that some of these machine somehow change what the voter have voted,
The question is: Is it a technical problems or have some with technical skills been there and altered with these machines ?

If it is a technical problems why haven't they fixed it ? It's not the first time I hear about this problem.

If someone or somebody has altered with these voting machine, then I hope your authorities will take action against this.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

I'm not saying that is true or false Oberon about that problem a pro-Trump news web has on the web, but it is suspected of smacking of someone wanting cash in advance for the information and 13 days to the election. Who has the cash?

From Oberon's link: http://americannews.com/hillary-clintons-hitman-reveals-dark-secret-that-she-thought-hed-take-to-the-grave/

See aanything funny there?


“I arranged a meeting for Hillary and a woman in an exclusive Beverly Hills hotel,” the man told The National Enquirer, adding that he was hired by Clinton through a Hollywood executive.

Have you noticed something funny about Trump's problems on the interent vs Hillary's? Youtube has so much junk on Hillary that it is a wonder anyone would vote for her.

[Oberon]

I'm not saying that is true or false Oberon about that problem a pro-Trump news web has on the web, but it is suspected of smacking of someone wanting cash in advance for the information and 13 days to the election. Who has the cash?

From Oberon's link: http://americannews.com/hillary-clintons-hitman-reveals-dark-secret-that-she-thought-hed-take-to-the-grave/

See aanything funny there?



Have you noticed something funny about Trump's problems on the interent vs Hillary's? Youtube has so much junk on Hillary that it is a wonder anyone would vote for her.

The funniest thing I saw was the fact that the supposed 'Hitman' was the Labour candidate for the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in the 2015 general election... :03:

[Bilge_Rat]

The funniest thing I saw was the fact that the supposed 'Hitman' was the Labour candidate for the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in the 2015 general election... :03:

I also uncovered a photo of Clinton in a "threesome..."

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/7c/90/3a/7c903aa48f7612db8088d564804253ad.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

The Democrats will win their election!

I've just received a word from the Lord that the Democrats will win the next election.

The exact word of knowledge was simply this: "The democrats will win their election, but then comes the knife".

I wonder what that means though, "Then comes the knife"?

A knife can cut things apart ... a knife in the back perhaps?

Some revelation that would've kept her from being elected, perhaps?



I think this might have something to do with 'the knife', probably several more weeks till it explodes ...

http://nypost.com/2016/10/25/hillarys-33000-emails-might-not-be-missing-after-all/

For months now, we’ve been told that Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 missing emails were permanently erased and destroyed beyond recovery. But newly released FBI notes strongly suggest they still exist in several locations — and they could be recovered, if only someone would impanel a grand jury and seize them.

In a May interview with FBI agents, an executive with the Denver contractor that maintained Clinton’s private server revealed that an underling didn’t bleach-clean all her subpoenaed emails, just ones he stored in a data file he used to transfer the emails from the server to Clinton’s aides

[Oberon]

I also uncovered a photo of Clinton in a "threesome..."



Canadian Illuminati confirmed!

[Platapus]

The question remains...how many vote R and the machine switched to D without the voting citizen seeing the switch?

Well I can only speak for the electronic machine we had in my precinct, but that one gave the voter a summery that they had to accept and if they didn't, they could go back and correct their vote.

I am really glad we dumped all electronic voting machines and solely use paper ballots in my state.

There are many aspects of life where the newest technology can improve things. Voting ain't one of them.

[razark]

I am really glad we dumped all electronic voting machines and solely use paper ballots in my state.
Just wondering, what happens to the paper ballots after the voter is done? Are they counted by people, or are they read by machines?

[Buddahaid]

Machines have been known to change votes. Just a day ago in TX claims of voting straight republican was changed by the machine to straight dem.

It would have been funnier if it changed to gay democrat.:arrgh!:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well I can only speak for the electronic machine we had in my precinct, but that one gave the voter a summery that they had to accept and if they didn't, they could go back and correct their vote.

I am really glad we dumped all electronic voting machines and solely use paper ballots in my state.

There are many aspects of life where the newest technology can improve things. Voting ain't one of them.

Here in MD it is electronic and there has been issues. My experience it is run ok. I have been asked for ID. Not always the case though from polling place to polling place.


It would have been funnier if it changed to gay democrat.:arrgh!:

Not sure how that would be funnier. It was not funny to have a vote changed to begin with.

[Buddahaid]

It would be funnier because I think it's pretty much a joke in the first place.

[STEED]

How do you guys cope with this never ending Presidential elections? You need to be like us Brits, done and dusted in six weeks flat. :)

[August]

I rarely agree with Michael Moore about anything but he's spot on in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-CiPVo_NQ
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/26/michael_moore_trump_victory_would_be_the_biggest_f k_you_recorded_in_human_history.html

Caution, Moore tosses a few F-bombs.

[Onkel Neal]

How do you guys cope with this never ending Presidential elections? You need to be like us Brits, done and dusted in six weeks flat. :)

We have a lot more country to run :) If we don't draw it out and make it dramatic, it won't seem like we're trying.

I just wish we had better material. Our first President was our best, it went downhill from there....
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14681725_1173074162770102_1413834915408316630_n.jp g?oh=f49a050602f9ef2690a47f83821af4e8&oe=58A19915

[mapuc]

I feel pity for you, my American friends, it seems like you are "doomed" whoever you may choose as your next President.

Found the word among the tags in this thread, didn't noticed it before now.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I feel pity for you, my American friends, it seems like you are "doomed" whoever you may choose as your next President.

Found the word among the tags in this thread, didn't noticed it before now.

Markus

I do not believe I'm(we are) doomed. I believe we will see another 4 years of no growth. Simply cruising along on the cusp of going over the edge under either administration.

[AVGWarhawk]

It would be funnier because I think it's pretty much a joke in the first place.

This entire election a joke? I agree with you 100%. The Dems are systematically going after Trump(sexual assault) exactly how they went after Herman Caine. It is the Dems go-to tactic. There are claims and none substantiated but the accused is already guilty. Concerning Hillary/Bill and the emails, runway visits with DOJ/FBl, funneling of money to a campaign of a wife of a FBI agent involved in the email investigation, Benghazi and the lies, lies, lies, lies that Hillary is still able to campaign for office of the President, I'm simply astonished the blind eye to the laundry list of dealings that the media simply does not push with any vigor. Even more so Hillary supporters who believe Hillary is associated with rainbow farting unicorns.

[AVGWarhawk]

We have a lot more country to run :) If we don't draw it out and make it dramatic, it won't seem like we're trying.

I just wish we had better material. Our first President was our best, it went downhill from there....


You will not need to worry Neal. Texas will secede from the union. Republic of Texas.

[HunterICX]

I just wish we had better material.

For the Internet it's enough material to work with :D:haha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbryz0mxuMY

(Warning:Language)

[Buddahaid]

This entire election a joke? I agree with you 100%. The Dems are systematically going after Trump(sexual assault) exactly how they went after Herman Caine. It is the Dems go-to tactic. There are claims and none substantiated but the accused is already guilty. Concerning Hillary/Bill and the emails, runway visits with DOJ/FBl, funneling of money to a campaign of a wife of a FBI agent involved in the email investigation, Benghazi and the lies, lies, lies, lies that Hillary is still able to campaign for office of the President, I'm simply astonished the blind eye to the laundry list of dealings that the media simply does not push with any vigor. Even more so Hillary supporters who believe Hillary is associated with rainbow farting unicorns.

Don't leave out Gary Hart for 1988.

[mapuc]

Another thing I do not really trust those polls which our TV-Channel are showing us.

First of all I remember what Platapus wrote in my thread about polls and secondly it seems like its not political correct to say-I support Trump

So how many have said to these people from Gallup and others that they are going to vote Clinton, but have lied, due to this political correctness ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

Another thing I do not really trust those polls which our TV-Channel are showing us.

First of all I remember what Platapus wrote in my thread about polls and secondly it seems like its not political correct to say-I support Trump

So how many have said to these people from Gallup and others that they are going to vote Clinton, but have lied, due to this political correctness ?

Markus

It's not always about political correctness. Some are just plain devious and would tell the pollster a flat out lie just for grins.

[Buddahaid]

Don't read them. It has no bearing on how I'll vote. I mean, I'm not going to vote based on who is leading some poll.

[Platapus]

Just wondering, what happens to the paper ballots after the voter is done? Are they counted by people, or are they read by machines?


I seal them in boxes and deliver them to the election board. They are kept for five years. If there needs to be a recount, they can open each precincts box and run them through the scanner to see if the numbers match. If there is any issue, they can do a hand count. After five years they can be destroyed. Our new scanners also record an image of each ballot, so there are two back ups. One the physical ballot and the other an electronic copy. I don't know how long the digital copy is kept but since it is a relatively small file, it should be easily archived.

[Platapus]

How do you guys cope with this never ending Presidential elections? You need to be like us Brits, done and dusted in six weeks flat. :)

Keep in mind that our presidential election only takes about two months.

One month (early Nov to Mid Dec) for the counting and certifying, 1 day for the electoral vote and about 2 weeks to assemble, certify, verify, archive, and package up the electoral packs and send them to the various offices and archives. During most of this two month time, little is done.

That is what the law requires. What you are talking about is the presidential campaigns and since they are privately managed, there are few federal laws that dictate how long a campaign can be. It is the political parties that choose, and it is their choice, to have these year long campaigns. The government does not and should not have the authority to dictate when or how long a person can run their campaign.

[Mr Quatro]

The race for the White House in the year 2020 is already in the sights of Rubio.

Poll: Rubio-Murphy Senate race 'too close to call'
WCTV-Oct 18, 2016
Rubio is actually on record stating he won't fill this full term as he gears up for another POTUS run in 2020.

[razark]

Our new scanners also record an image of each ballot...
So they are electronically scanned and counted by machine. If someone were to want to tamper with the results, they'd have to attack those machines, but it would be even more difficult given the image record. It sounds like a good system.

[Torplexed]

As the Wikileaks e-mail revelations come in you can see the grand parade of Senate hearings, press conferences and special prosecutors slowly forming up for the next four years if Clinton wins. Won't it be fun.

[Buddahaid]

Time better spent actually working on getting the ducks in a row for a sweep in the next election. But requires planning ahead and reaching a set of common goals so it will never happen.

[Oberon]

GOP needs to work on its landings and take-offs a bit. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

As the Wikileaks e-mail revelations come in you can see the grand parade of Senate hearings, press conferences and special prosecutors slowly forming up for the next four years if Clinton wins. Won't it be fun.

I can hardly wait :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

As the Wikileaks e-mail revelations come in you can see the grand parade of Senate hearings, press conferences and special prosecutors slowly forming up for the next four years if Clinton wins. Won't it be fun.

This is already in the works no matter the outcome. If Hillary wins she will be hounded by hearings(and rightly so) as well as Trump Channel that will have Hillary front and center everyday.

Time better spent actually working on getting the ducks in a row for a sweep in the next election. But requires planning ahead and reaching a set of common goals so it will never happen.

Wait for the emails from Wiki that entails the back room dealings to get this done.

GOP needs to work on its landings and take-offs a bit. :hmmm:

The GOP aircraft will not be flying anytime soon.

I can hardly wait :doh:

Good time...good times....

[Oberon]

But wait, there's more!

The FBI is reopening their investigation into Hillarys emails!

So, President Kaine?

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/8180/351472-kane2.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

This might cause a few problems for Mrs Clinton ... Trump will be very upset after she wins November 8th and then finds out that she indeed should've never been allowed to run due to these new emails.

Hold to your hats boys ... the fun is just starting: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-re-open-investigation-clinton-email-server-n674631

The FBI will re-open its investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, bureau director James Comey said in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Friday.

"In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation … I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation," he wrote.

Just ten and 1/2 days till the election too ... :o

[HunterICX]

So, President Kaine?

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/8180/351472-kane2.jpg

He'd get my vote :yep:

[Mr Quatro]

But wait, there's more!

The FBI is reopening their investigation into Hillarys emails!

So, President Kaine?


Nice man, better than Trump I admit, but this will be up to the Supreme Court with only four (4) judges. Two Catholics, one Jewish lady and one lady of undetermined faith.

If it ends two and two the GOP only has itself to blame for not allowing another justice to take the bench.

By the way VP pick Kaine is a Catholic, :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

But wait, there's more!

The FBI is reopening their investigation into Hillarys emails!

So, President Kaine?



Like all of the other investigations in Hillary over the past 30 years nothing will become of it. That is a guarantee. Waste of time and resources.

[Gray Lensman]

I see this as just a ploy for Comey to cover his a$$ in case Trump is elected. Personally, I think he should be thrown out of his job for failure to apply the law equally. You can't have generals, private citizens like Martha Stewart, etc. all thrown into the slammer for lying to the FBI during investigations and then allow someone else to slide just because of political connections. I'd say the same thing if it were the other way around and it was Trump who lied to the FBI.

[AVGWarhawk]

I see this as just a ploy for Comey to cover his a$$ in case Trump is elected. Personally, I think he should be thrown out of his job for failure to apply the law equally. You can't have generals, private citizens like Martha Stewart, etc. all thrown into the slammer for lying to the FBI during investigations and then allow someone else to slide just because of political connections. I'd say the same thing if it were the other way around and it was Trump who lied to the FBI.

I agree, Comey is covering his rear. I also agree Comey should be removed from his position. Also note that Comey said he does not know who long it will take to investigate these new emails. I'M GUESSING 4 YEARS.

It is very bad when the likes of Stewart and others do time. Hillary gets off because of runway deals perpetrated by Bill and other back door dealings.

[Platapus]

Another thing I do not really trust those polls which our TV-Channel are showing us.

At their very best, a poll is but an approximation of what the represented population may do. There are a lot of assumptions that get put into a poll and some of those assumptions may even be valid.

That is why I shake my head ruefully (which I seem to do more often these days) when poll results are reported with decimal places. Yes, mathematically the results can be represented as decimals, but that is, in my opinion, false precision.

When I look at a poll, I only look at the first number and any value +1 or -1 (representing 10% of the entire scale) is, to me even.

If one candidate is polling at 40% and the other at 49%, to me they are polling the same. well withing the sampling and other errors. Polls will often report their sampling error but there are more errors and variance than just sampling error. Naturally, a polling organization does not want to publish all of their systematic errors. .

So Until I see a difference in two in the significant digit 70% vs 50%, to me anything closer is just the same. .

But, as I posted earlier, the polls are based on how people choose to answer. How they choose to answer a person may be different from how they vote in a private voting booth. Assuming that a person will answer truthfully is one of the biggest assumptions in polling. We may want to think that everyone is truthful in answering polls, but the reality may or may not be different.

That's why I consider polls only a very general approximation. Better than nothing, but not by much. There is only one poll that really matters and that is the poll taken between 8 Nov and 12 Dec 16.

[AVGWarhawk]

At their very best, a poll is but an approximation of what the represented population may do. There are a lot of assumptions that get put into a poll and some of those assumptions may even be valid.

That is why I shake my head ruefully (which I seem to do more often these days) when poll results are reported with decimal places. Yes, mathematically the results can be represented as decimals, but that is, in my opinion, false precision.

When I look at a poll, I only look at the first number and any value +1 or -1 (representing 10% of the entire scale) is, to me even.

If one candidate is polling at 40% and the other at 49%, to me they are polling the same. well withing the sampling and other errors. Polls will often report their sampling error but there are more errors and variance than just sampling error. Naturally, a polling organization does not want to publish all of their systematic errors. .

So Until I see a difference in two in the significant digit 70% vs 50%, to me anything closer is just the same. .

But, as I posted earlier, the polls are based on how people choose to answer. How they choose to answer a person may be different from how they vote in a private voting booth. Assuming that a person will answer truthfully is one of the biggest assumptions in polling. We may want to think that everyone is truthful in answering polls, but the reality may or may not be different.

That's why I consider polls only a very general approximation. Better than nothing, but not by much. There is only one poll that really matters and that is the poll taken between 8 Nov and 12 Dec 16.

Personally I think polls for campaigns such as this one should not be allowed. It is just another tool to sway voters and is used as such.

[Platapus]

A lot of people in other countries and a lot in this country are not aware of how and when our president is elected. It is a process that takes about two months. Here are the 2016 dates and what happens

8 November - Erroneously called election day. It is just one day out of many where ballots are collected. It should be called "First day the ballots are counted" but that does not have the same impact as election day.

The media may "report" the "results" on the evening of 8 Nov, but what they are reporting is only when most of the votes are counted. On 9 Nov, provisional and absentee ballots counts are started. I can not speak for other states, but in Virginia every ballot is counted for every election. I hope it is the same for other states.

The counting, recounting, checking and rechecking can take quite some time. On 13 December, each state must any final rules or changes on how to count ballots approved by this date. This is to prevent a state from changing the rules at the last moment.

By the way, this date in December was what the confusion was concerning the 2000 election. Florida was unable to finalize their rules for conducting the second recount by this "Safe Harbor" (as the federal provision is often called). That was why the SCotUS halted the second recount and why the first recount results were certified.

The problem in 2000 was that Florida did not have one uniform method of conducting recounts across the state. Each county had their own method, which should not have been allowed. Humans are imperfect and the systems designed by humans are imperfect.

The 13th of December is when each state must finalize and publish their respective Certificates of Ascertainment which documents who the electors are and how they were selected.

19 December -- The electors travel to the state capital to formally cast their votes. Legally all electors can travel to the capital, but traditionally only the winning electors need to travel as they are the ones casting their votes. Maine and Nebraska are the exceptions as those are the only states that have proportional voting in the electoral college. All the other states and DC have a winner take all schema.

28 December. The states (and DC) have until 28 December to deliver various copies of the results of the electoral vote to the Senate. Some copies are retained by the respective state and other copies are retained by the Federal government in the Archives.

Between 28 Dec and 3 Jan 17, the Archivist and the Secretary of the Senate meet to verify that all the materials have been properly sent/received/logged/stored.

6 Jan 17, The Senate and the House members all crowd into the House of Representatives chambers (and it does get crowded). Vice President Biden (as the President of the Senate) counts all 53 electoral packages and calls out each state's results. If there is disagreement between what happened in the state and what is reported in the congressional counting, they will break open one of the multiple packages and even get the official vote statement from the state to verify. This has never happened.

53 ballots? Yes

50 From the states
1 from DC
2 from both Maine and Nebraska as part of their proportional elector ballot.

Then we all wait for that great day on 20 Jan 17 when we celebrate having another person to blame for our problems!!

So that's our wacky way of electing a president. An awkward system but one that works pretty well for the past 200+ years.

If anyone has any questions, please post them. The more that people understand the details of our political system, the better.

[Skybird]

Did I say some time ago that Clinton must not win anymore, but must only avoid to defeat herself? I wonder whether new Emailageddon indicates another swing in trend after Trump's Grabbageddon seemed to have buried him...

[Platapus]

Personally I think polls for campaigns such as this one should not be allowed. It is just another tool to sway voters and is used as such.

Unfortunately, political expression is one of our civil rights. It would be difficult for the government to restrict polls or the publication of polls, regardless of their accuracy or representation.

A better solution is to educate the citizens on how to ignore polls. :03:

[STEED]

Clinton in a chain gang breaking rocks..:hmmm:

Nah never happen. :03:

[mapuc]

If the FBI don't find anything or it's not enough to get her convicted.

Will you be satisfied with this or are you 110 % she's guilty, whatever conclusion the FBI may end with ?

Markus

[Oberon]

Of course no-one is going to be satisfied! Not until she's behind bars, guilty or not. :har:

[STEED]

She's too rich and powerful to go to prison anyway. :03:

[mapuc]

Of course no-one is going to be satisfied! Not until she's behind bars, guilty or not. :har:


But then those who support will not be satisfied

Markus

[August]

Of course no-one is going to be satisfied! Not until she's behind bars, guilty or not. :har:


You say "or not" like that is a real possibility. Her own admissions would have put just about anyone else in jail already.

[Oberon]

But then those who support will not be satisfied

Markus

It's the American election Markus, no-one is going to be satisfied.

Except the media I guess, they'll be raking it in. :hmmm:

[mapuc]

It's the American election Markus, no-one is going to be satisfied.

Except the media I guess, they'll be raking it in. :hmmm:

I can see you understood what I wrote even though I forgot the word Clinton.

Not when it comes to election, the same goes here in Denmark and in Sweden. I was thinking about this new or should I say reopen of Clinton case


Markus

[Platapus]

Some points to consider.

The justice department has not said that it will never indict Clinton, just that it is not indicting her now.

Why would they not indict her now?

Most likely because she is a candidate for president from a major party and therefore has a good likelihood of being elected president.

Why would this matter?

Because traditionally, the president enjoys a temporary immunity against criminal prosecution via the courts while he or she is serving as president. This tradition of immunity, while supported by past case law and many legal authorities on both sides, has never been tested for constitutionality. And to be honest, there is uncertainty whether presidential immunity would pass judicial review. It has never come up in the SCotUS.

While currently Clinton is a private citizen, if the justice department would indict her, it is most unlikely that the trial would even start until after January 2017. If Clinton becomes president, the trial would stop and be put on hold until her term ended -- 4 or 8 years from now. What prosecutor is willing to start a trial, disclose all their strategy to the defense through discovery only to have the trial put on hold for up to 8 years?

As the FBI director commented, no prosecutor would do this. The prosecution would be put in a position of either waiting until the term ended or petitioning congress and hope congress can impeach and convict her, thereby removing her from office and removing the immunity. The latter is unlikely to happen.

Also, indicting a candidate shortly before an election would be unfairly prejudicial to the candidate. They would be formally accused of a crime but given no time to defend themselves in court. This one-sided issue wold certainly have an effect on the voters.

While the republicans may not have a problem with this, they need to keep in mind that if such a precedent was made, it could easily be applied, in the future to their candidate.

A moments reflection should reveal how this could be abused.

It does not matter if the candidate were ultimately acquitted after the election, the damage to the candidates campaign would be severe and irreversible. We are not going to have a special election if a candidate is acquitted.

What may potentially happen is that Clinton will be indicted when she is either

1. Not elected president and therefore does not have any presidential immunity

2. Removed from office through successful impeachment

3. Becomes a former president who does not have the presidential immunity any more.

Of course indicting a former president won't be easy and convicting her 10 years after the fact will also be difficult.

But in any case, indicting a presidential candidate just prior to an election would be a bad precedent to set. Especially considering that we seem to be devolving back to 19th century style politics.

For good or bad, the president is a unique person in the eyes of the law. The president has a status that no other officer in the country enjoys.

In some cases, this unique status may apply to those few people who may reasonably be expected to be elected. This may be one of those cases.

No prosecutor is going to indict someone who has a reasonable chance of being elected before any trial can end... or even start.

[Platapus]

It's the American election Markus, no-one is going to be satisfied.

Except the media I guess, they'll be raking it in. :hmmm:

Complaining about the President is not only our national past time, but it has become profitable.

It is not going to go away.

[AVGWarhawk]

For good or bad, the president is a unique person in the eyes of the law. The president has a status that no other officer in the country enjoys.



Richard Nixon may not agree with you.

[Buddahaid]

Nixon had the unfortunate combination of cold war mentality confronting a huge popular civil unrest over Vietnam. Crazy times then and getting just as crazy now.

[Torplexed]

If--as right wing radio always claims--the Clintons really do have hit squads, I'm wondering if sending one out to deal with perpetual political clown Anthony Weiner might not be crossing their minds right now. :D

[MaDef]

If the FBI don't find anything or it's not enough to get her convicted.

Will you be satisfied with this or are you 110 % she's guilty, whatever conclusion the FBI may end with ?

Markus Here's my feeling on this. I was in the Navy, I held a top secret clearance, had I been as lax as Clinton with information I handled, I know I would have faced a court martial, and at best would have been given a OTH discharge if not sentenced to serve time in Leavenworth.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

I'm actually rooting for Trump to get elected. Would be hilarious.
I couldn't care less about politics, but I wanna see the world go up in flames, Trump is a good start.

[Torplexed]

I'm actually rooting for Trump to get elected. Would be hilarious.
I couldn't care less about politics, but I wanna see the world go up in flames, Trump is a good start.

From what I have observed here, that's a big, fat faction of what drives the Trump phenomenon.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/46/4675064e74be608035200a63349b1fa6f78b7553b2846c980c e05f55eb4762eb.jpg

[Buddahaid]

Join the Navy. See the world burn?

[Oberon]

Join the Navy. See the world burn?

https://media.giphy.com/media/xyM6ww4C3nXm8/giphy.gif

[AVGWarhawk]

Here's my feeling on this. I was in the Navy, I held a top secret clearance, had I been as lax as Clinton with information I handled, I know I would have faced a court martial, and at best would have been given a OTH discharge if not sentenced to serve time in Leavenworth.

What makes this so bad is Hillary was at the highest level! She was "careless" and let go on it. Just simply astonishing. The FBI(Funny Business, Inc) lost all credibility. There has to be something in these new found emails on a pervs phone who happens to be married to Hillary's right hand man. If there was not anything of note Comey would not have sent letters to the effect that the case is still open.

[em2nought]

One of these will fit nicely under Hillary's pantsuit while she does White House arrest at http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1600-Pennsylvania-Ave-NW-Washington-DC-20006/84074482_zpid/
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/assmitten/orwellankle.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

What makes this so bad is Hillary was at the highest level! She was "careless" and let go on it. Just simply astonishing. The FBI(Funny Business, Inc) lost all credibility. There has to be something in these new found emails on a pervs phone who happens to be married to Hillary's right hand man. If there was not anything of note Comey would not have sent letters to the effect that the case is still open.

It has been reported that the emails found were because Huma, his wife, used the same lap top to store Hillary's email's from Hillary's private server to print out any long pdf emails so Hillary could read them at a more casual glance in her study.

Speculation is that she forgot to deleate 10's of thousands of them and they have to be checked to see if these emails were classifed or even might be new uncovered emails that were deleated from the server, but not her secratary's laptop. They can't even make up their mind whose laptop it is, which would make it even harder to prove in court, which I think this whole thing is going to sink into.

It's going to be roller coaster ride all the way to the White House and for the Stock Market too.

The Stock Market was down Friday just from this news alone ... what happens if she gets arrested after winning the election November 8th?

More news to come Monday October 31st, "Trick or Treat"

Torp do you have a Hillary trick or treat costume for us come Monday?

[Torplexed]

More news to come Monday October 31st, "Trick or Treat"

Torp do you have a Hillary trick or treat costume for us come Monday?

Well, take your pick depending on your political leaning, but Dear God pray you never see Hillary wearing either. :o

http://pyxis.homestead.com/LeftRight.jpg

[mapuc]

In a former comment Platapus mentioned that POTUS had a special benefits when it came to criminal prosecution, if not he or she was....impeachment.

How many politicians from the Senat/Congress has to vote for this before such a thing can happen ? 2/3 or 5/6 ?I

I remember that the Senat/Congress had this type of voting against Bill Clinton.

Edit Special benefits as President of USA, but how about now and until the election day and if she is elected-the day from November 8/9 to the day she swear the oath/move into the white house ?


Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

In a former comment Platapus mentioned that POTUS had a special benefits when it came to criminal prosecution, if not he or she was....impeachment.

How many politicians from the Senat/Congress has to vote for this before such a thing can happen ? 2/3 or 5/6 ?I

I remember that the Senat/Congress had this type of voting against Bill Clinton.

Edit Special benefits as President of USA, but how about now and until the election day and if she is elected-the day from November 8/9 to the day she swear the oath/move into the white house ?


Markus


This situation is something never faced before(at least to my recollection). I would imagine indictment would preclude Hillary from continuing to run but.....this is a Clinton. Nothing applies. We have witnessed this in the past.

[AVGWarhawk]

Food for thought, Hillary Clinton had 30k emails deleted and the server bleached. The new finding of emails on a laptop owned by Huma Abedin might must be some of those 30k that were intentionally erased. It is said that these emails at not duplicates of what the FBI have examined.

[mapuc]

This situation is something never faced before(at least to my recollection). I would imagine indictment would preclude Hillary from continuing to run but.....this is a Clinton. Nothing applies. We have witnessed this in the past.

As I see it, from reading Platapus comments Either the FBI try to get her before she enter the White House(swear the oath) or the
Senat/Congress(*) vote against her after she is POTUS.

* I don't know how high in the political system such voting(impeachment) has to be before it can be legal(made up example- A majority of the politicians in the Congress vote yes to let the President be impeach, but the President don't have to resign ´cause the Congress has no legal rights to do so, or it is the Senat who can't do such a thing)

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Food for thought, Hillary Clinton had 30k emails deleted and the server bleached. The new finding of emails on a laptop owned by Huma Abedin might must be some of those 30k that were intentionally erased. It is said that these emails at not duplicates of what the FBI have examined.

The emails on the server were just suppose to be personal private emails. That server hdd was wiped clean, but the emails on Abedin's or might even be her husbands laptop might have already been there in a plainly marked folder in a laptops that she shared with her husband, with me so far?

What if they were deleated on this same laptop that served both her and her husband? Due to the long investigation of her husband they have located these emails not in well marked folders, but hidden on the hdd itself.

The hdd that they didn't want to wipe due to it's joint use.

My question is this can a laptop hdd still hold the contents of deleated emails?

[Armistead]

I think for Comey to expose to the public what is going on, they've already found classified material. Hillary knows a full investigation would be the result and the FBI won't expose the emails of a possible criminal case under investigation until they put it all together, so she can shout to release the emails, knowing it won't happen. Just amazing after subpoena people are not turning over evidence and destroying it and it seems to be no big deal.

[MaDef]

I don't know how high in the political system such voting(impeachment) has to be before it can be legal(made up example- A majority of the politicians in the Congress vote yes to let the President be impeach, but the President don't have to resign ´cause the Congress has no legal rights to do so, or it is the Senat who can't do such a thing)

Markus
A majority of the members of the House must vote for the charges in order to impeach the president. After the charges are filed, the Senate has the power to try impeachment cases like a court. Two-thirds of the senators must vote for conviction.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think for Comey to expose to the public what is going on, they've already found classified material. Hillary knows a full investigation would be the result and the FBI won't expose the emails of a possible criminal case under investigation until they put it all together, so she can shout to release the emails, knowing it won't happen. Just amazing after subpoena people are not turning over evidence destroying it and it seems to be no big deal.

Agreed. There is enough found that Comey has only one option. If he left this unaddressed until after the election it would be cause for concern specifically if Hillary is to win. I laugh at Hillary DEMANDING to see these emails. She is in no position to demand anything. She looks like a child having a tantrum. Hillary knows what is in these emails. Loretta Lynch should be fired. Lynch is deep in this crap also.

[mapuc]

A majority of the members of the House must vote for the charges in order to impeach the president. After the charges are filed, the Senate has the power to try impeachment cases like a court. Two-thirds of the senators must vote for conviction.

If I understood it correctly, an impeachment has to go through "Two doors" first the member of the House and if a majority say yes it is passed on to the Senat and even here a majority has to vote yes before the President can be convicted.

Is that correct ?

Markus

[August]

If I understood it correctly, an impeachment has to go through "Two doors" first the member of the House and if a majority say yes it is passed on to the Senat and even here a majority has to vote yes before the President can be convicted.

Is that correct ?

Markus

Yes but as MaDef says the Senate must be two thirds. A simple majority wouldn't be enough. Given the present party breakdown that would mean that some Democrats would also have to vote yes along with the Republican majority.

[MaDef]

If I understood it correctly, an impeachment has to go through "Two doors" first the member of the House and if a majority say yes it is passed on to the Senat and even here a majority has to vote yes before the President can be convicted.

Is that correct ?

Markuspretty close, think of the House of Representatives as a grand jury, they vote on whether to charge the president. The senate would then be a trial jury, they would hear the testimony of witnesses, examine the evidence and then vote whether to acquit or convict. The House only needs a simple majority to bring the charges, the senate needs 2/3 majority vote to convict.

[em2nought]

Remember not to wear your "Deplorables" shirt to the voting booth, I wonder if an NRA "Don't tread on me" shirt would get you arrested also? :hmmm:http://southernconservativedaily.com/trump-voter-in-texas-arrested-over-deplorable-t-shirt/

[Platapus]

In Virginia, voters can wear pretty much anything they like. They can't wear any clothing that plays any sound, nor can the voter themselves engage in electioneering conversation while inside the 40 foot prohibited zone.

The same applies to official observers.

Election officers, on the other hand, have to be careful not to wear anything that even appears to be biased. We are discouraged from wearing anything red or blue. This makes it hard for me as all my ties are either red or blue :D

I may be a bit biased, but I think the rest of the states need to look at how Virginia runs their elections. Virginia has put a lot of good thought into the process. The only thing I would like Virginia to add is early voting, instead of in-person absentee voting.

[Mr Quatro]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/93876b33-0e5b-38a0-872e-1da162eb4028/ss_queen-offers-to-restore.html

In an unexpected televised address on Saturday, Queen Elizabeth II offered to restore British rule over the United States of America. Addressing the American people from her office in Buckingham Palace, the Queen said that she was making the offer “in recognition of the desperate situation you now find yourselves in.” “This two-hundred-and-forty-year experiment in self-rule began with the best of intentions, but I think we can all agree that it didn’t end well,” she said. The Queen urged Americans to write in her name on Election Day, after which the transition to British rule could begin “with a minimum of bother.”

Another option for POTUS is the Queen of England :up:

[Oberon]

Someone on another board wrote this, I thought it very amusing:



So I saw a meme somewhere in here about making America part of Britain again. That inspired a little something, set in a dark alternate universe where Hillary Clinton never ran and instead the Democratic nominee was Kanye West...
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November 8th, 2016. 10 PM Eastern Standard Time.

Anderson Cooper, veteran reporter, experienced calm voice of rationality in a world where America had somehow nominated a walking trash fire in a ****ty toupee and a narcissistic egomaniac as presidential candidates, veteran of multiple decades of increasingly absurd foreign affairs and internal political crises, turned to the secondary camera and stifled a yawn. "And I'm just now hearing that the massive number of write-in ballots that have been recorded across the nation have finally been counted to some extent. Bill?"

"Uh, thanks, Anderson. Um, well, this is a shocker. It turns out that apparently the polls were right and Trump's video and comments have cost him the female vote, but, uh, it's more than that, West didn't get them..."

"Bill, I know it's been a long night," the powerful, reassuring voice of the experienced reporter sounded slightly snarky to Cooper's own ears, "but could you please cut to the damn chase?"

"Yessir. Uh, it looks like the Queen of England just won the election in Vermont."

Cooper faintly felt his jaw drop.

"I'm sorry, what?"

"With 69% of the votes counted, Vermont is being called for Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."

Cooper shook his head. "But...what about Trump? Kanye West?"

"So far West is at .1% and Trump at 1%. It looks like all the women and almost all of West's supporters decided to write in the Queen of England."

"But...she can't be President, she's not a citizen of the United States!"

"Just a second, Anderson...OK, they just called New York and Maine. Elizabeth II again. Anderson, what the hell is going on?"

"What..." Anderson Cooper felt the tattered vestiges of his once-impeccable sanity slip. Not even an interview with the walking pile of human effluvia known as Donald Trump had broken that sanity. "I'll...I'll get back to you, Bill--cut to commercial, go to commercial now!"
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1 AM Eastern Standard Time.

Rachel Maddow yawned as she looked over the results. "They seriously called Texas for Queen Elizabeth?"

"Apparently," said the haggard-looking Lester Holt on her right. "62% of the vote is the current projection--almost all women and almost all of the men who leaned Democrat. She won Vermont by 98%"

"This is insane." Maddow counted the electoral votes in her head. "She's over 300 already. Have the British woken her up yet? The country's going to need a speech."

"The President sent a press release out. Apparently the British think it's a joke."

"Oh, ****." Maddow really regretted her frustrated write-in of "the Queen of England, she's better than both these idiots" now. "Get the BBC, maybe they can help."

"Good idea...LAUER! Matt, do you know how to contact the BBC?"

"I don't know, have one of the cameramen do it, that's what they're for."

"Hey!" protested one of the camerawomen.

"It's an insane night, just do it," Maddow sighed. "And someone get me something really ****ing alcoholic. We're going to need it."

"They just called Arkansas for Queen Elizabeth," whispered Holt. "Arkansas."

Maddow really needed a ****ing drink.
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Buckingham Palace, United Kingdom. 9 AM UTC. November 9th.

Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, blinked.

"I'm sorry, madam, but, what did the Americans do?"

"They elected you, Your Majesty. You are the president-elect of the United States of America."

There was only one response she could really muster to that. "Oh dear. They do seem to have had a bad time of it, haven't they?"

"Yes, Your Majesty." Theresa May kept her smile fixed on her face. "We don't know quite how to respond, Your Majesty. Nigel Farage is already claiming that it's an EU plot to destroy our sovereignty."

Her Majesty snorted. "Nigel Farage may claim whatever he so pleases, that does not make his claims anything more than hot air." May chuckled softly at Her Majesty's comment. "Well, one does what one must, with a stiff upper lip and all that. I shall have to address the world, it appears."

"Yes, Your Majesty. I took the liberty of having a podium set up."

"Why thank you, madam."

"It was nothing, Your Majesty." The Queen stood from her chair, accepting May's deferential step back and taking the lead, and strode out towards the front of the palace.

"Dear Lord," she muttered. "What will those Americans think of next?"
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January 20th, 2017.

Barack Hussein Obama, outgoing President of the United States, had never expected to see a candidate get all 538 electoral votes in his lifetime. And especially not a Brit.

President-Elect Elizabeth Windsor, also Her Majesty the Queen, was a very active woman for her advanced age, and quite pleasant company compared to many of the world leaders that Obama had had to suffer the displeasure of meeting. Her joke about Justice Thomas had actually made Obama chuckle in the middle of the ceremony.

His farewell address concluded, Obama allowed himself to lean back slightly in his seat as the elderly woman took the podium and stepped discretely up onto a stool that had been provided to deal with the height difference between the compact Queen and lanky Obama. She cleared her throat, adjusted her hat, and spoke into the microphone.

"I don't know quite how to begin," ironically the same way Obama had started his speech, "but I suppose the simplest way is to thank you for choosing me as your President."

There was a controlled but loud cheer from the crowd.

"As your leader, I do believe that this mean-spirited and untoward mud-slinging that has been going on in your politics must stop; it is most impolite and unkind, and downright embarrassing to nominate a beastly fellow such as Donald Trump." More cheers. "Quite frankly I haven't the faintest idea why you would choose me of all people, but I promise you that I shall do my very best for America as I have for the United Kingdom. I plan to stop this nasty little conflict in Syria, and to tell Mr. Putin to cease and desist in his efforts to massage his own ego by attacking the sovereignty of the Ukraine. I served in the Women's Auxiliary Service during the war against Mr. Hitler, and I have no desire to see Europe once again plunged into some bloody war over one man's foolhardy ambitions. Furthermore, I will brook no silliness from obstructionist gentlemen in the House and Senate; Sirs, you have been invested with duties by the people and the State, and you are paid quite lovely salaries for performing those duties, and I will accept no refusal to perform or excuse for your failure to perform those duties."

Obama was beyond the point of giving a rat's ass about any of the idiots sitting around him, but he could feel McConnel puckering like a sphincter and damn if that wasn't satisfying. He imagined Putin's face at this particular moment. A warm, fuzzy feeling that Obama hadn't felt in a long damn time surged through his veins.

Look out, world. Her Majesty the President and Queen was coming. And **** you, you *******s deserve what you're about to get, Obama thought.
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Moscow, Capital of Glorious Mother Russia. February 2nd, 2017.

Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putin, President of the Russian Federation and undisputed totally-not-dictator of Mother Russia, set his eyebrows manfully and stood to his full, masculine height. His Axe body spray gave him a musky, manly aroma that had nearly driven his secretary to tear his shirt off on the way in, and his suit was cut precisely by the finest Russian engineers and tailors to perfectly emphasize the powerful, masculine form of the leader of the Motherland.

The compact, elderly woman across the table from Putin, dressed in a pink dress and a magnificent pink hat with a truly immense carnation pinned to the side, daintily sipped from her cup of Earl Grey, a tea so British that Putin could almost see the smoke forming miniature Union Jacks.

"Your Majesty Madam President," Putin began powerfully, setting the timbre of his masculine voice deeper than usual to reverberate well with his accent, "regardless of your campaign promises I think that it is obvious to both of us that Ruthenia and Novorossiya are part of the Sov--I mean, Russian Emp--I mean, Russian Federation's patrimony. Furthermore I believe that the historical precedence is clear for the consideration of both the Crimea and Aleyska as the natural territory of the Sovi--er, Russian Federation. I recommend that we set aside petty posturing and bickering to agree upon these clear Russian truths."

"My, you certainly do have an inflated opinion of yourself, young man," the small woman noted, taking another dainty sip of her tea with impeccable manners. "Perhaps you should consult less biased resources, which would show youquite clearly that Russia neither has claim to those lands that you demand nor the capacity to take and hold them."

Putin felt masculine anger surge as he stumbled to manfully retake control of the conversation in a suitably powerful fashion. "Your Majesty Madam President, was that a threat? I believe that we are both aware of the invincible nuclear arsenal of Mother Russia, and I doubt that you would make such a move without knowledge of the full power of our infinite military superiority."

"Oh, no, dear, I was implying that if you attempt to take those territories I will simply ask the world to stop trading with you. And you are aware of my approval ratings across the world, young man, I am certain that you understand how that would affect your nation's economy."

Putin felt a cold sweat spring to life along his spine. "You wouldn't." His voice practically squeaked.

The British woman smiled upwards like an ancient snake. "I would, Mr. Putin. I absolutely would."

Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putin ground his teeth in futile rage.
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Jerusalem. March 4th, 2017.

"Impossible! We will continue to build settlements as we please, this is the natural territory of...er...um...ah...yes, Your Majesty."

Benjamin Netanyahu quailed under the old British woman's disapproving gaze and sheepishly reached for his pen. Mahmoud Abbas and the balaclava-clad Hamas man had already signed, the latter similarly sheepishly and the former with a massive ****-eating grin.

Netanyahu cursed internally as he signed his name at the bottom of the treaty mandating peace between Israel and Palestine, a cessation to discriminatory marriage practices in Jerusalem, dismantling of all current Israeli settlements in Palestinian lands and cessation of settlement construction, and a thousand other provisions that both neutered Hamas as an insurgent group and political justification for Netanyahu's position and destroyed essentially the entirety of Netanyahu's political platform. Damn that woman! Damn her and the damn Americans who put her in power!

But he signed nonetheless.

[Platapus]

I
Edit Special benefits as President of USA, but how about now and until the election day and if she is elected-the day from November 8/9 to the day she swear the oath/move into the white house ?


Markus


Any criminal trial would stop at 1200 20 Jan 17 and be suspended until after the presidents final term. If the president is removed from office via the impeachment process, then the criminal trial could resume.

The limits of impeachment is the removal from office and the inability to hold future offices. There is no provision for fines or imprisonment. Just the removal from office. This allows the judicial system to try the "not-president any more" citizen.

The rational for this tradition is that the president is elected by the citizens of the entire country and therefore no single state or federal district court should have jurisdiction over the president That is why in this context, the congress, as a whole, serves as a court representing all the citizens.

Even the SCotUS does not have the power to impeach a president.

[Platapus]

Imagine if Covey did not disclose this latest bit of news? The RNC would be all up in arms about the FBI concealing information.

It was a lose lose situation for Covey. But if you can't stand the heat.....

[Torplexed]

Imagine if Covey did not disclose this latest bit of news? The RNC would be all up in arms about the FBI concealing information.

It was a lose lose situation for Covey. But if you can't stand the heat.....


The double-bind of being a top government official in a super-heated partisan environment. James Comey stays quiet and continues to investigate. Two months from now the news leaks about Weiner emails and possible links to Hillary. Comey then gets blamed for not being transparent and suppressing an investigation which could have changed the 2016 election results. The Department of Justice would fry him and the Trump backers and GOP would call for his head by suppressing this scandal to help get Clinton elected (again).

Comey is burned if he does and screwed if he doesn't. So he figured best to be transparent now and be blamed, rather than be opaque and blamed later.

[eddie]

I laugh at the way Trump thinks he's a great military genius,lol Talks like he and only he knows how to retake Mosul. I doubt he could even find it on a map. He keeps invoking Patton's name all the time, if Patton was alive I'm sure he'd say "I wouldn't serve under that Tweeting Son of a *%^#@":haha:

[Mr Quatro]

I laugh at the way Trump thinks he's a great military genius,lol Talks like he and only he knows how to retake Mosul. I doubt he could even find it on a map. He keeps invoking Patton's name all the time, if Patton was alive I'm sure he'd say "I wouldn't serve under that Tweeting Son of a *%^#@":haha:

:haha:
Thats funny eddie
:haha:

I agree :up:

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, what's going on here? Lynch 'Pleads Fifth' on Secret Iran 'Ransom' Payments (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/attorney-general-lynch-pleads-fifth-secret-iran-ransom-payments/)

Is this for real? I did a news sweep and it is only showing up on right wing news outlets, so is this really happening and CNN is not covering it? Or is it some right wing hype? :o

Edit: it is reported by the Daily Mail, (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3885328/Loretta-Lynch-pleads-fifth-avoid-answering-questions-1-7bn-payments-Iran.html) I guess someone will tell me they are the UK equivalent of Fox News? But, did she invoke her constitutional right to avoid incriminating herself? The US Attorney General? Wth??

[August]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14572894_1802354023380133_6340534180580761239_n.jp g?oh=986183eb0ed446b68d901eeecb7eff68&oe=58A66C77

[Oberon]

Edit: it is reported by the Daily Mail, (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3885328/Loretta-Lynch-pleads-fifth-avoid-answering-questions-1-7bn-payments-Iran.html) I guess someone will tell me they are the UK equivalent of Fox News?

Naaah, Fox News are amateurs compared to the Daily Fail. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Support_of_fascism)

[Armistead]

Ok, what's going on here? Lynch 'Pleads Fifth' on Secret Iran 'Ransom' Payments (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/attorney-general-lynch-pleads-fifth-secret-iran-ransom-payments/)

Is this for real? I did a news sweep and it is only showing up on right wing news outlets, so is this really happening and CNN is not covering it? Or is it some right wing hype? :o

Edit: it is reported by the Daily Mail, (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3885328/Loretta-Lynch-pleads-fifth-avoid-answering-questions-1-7bn-payments-Iran.html) I guess someone will tell me they are the UK equivalent of Fox News? But, did she invoke her constitutional right to avoid incriminating herself? The US Attorney General? Wth??

Lynch has not plead the 5th, but didn't answer questions from congress about it stating she is barred from disclosing to the public, so I assume they would have to implement some closed hearings on the matter....

[Onkel Neal]

Lynch has not plead the 5th, but didn't answer questions from congress about it stating she is barred from disclosing to the public, so I assume they would have to implement some closed hearings on the matter....

Ok, so she did not state that she would invoke her Fifth Amendment rights? Then it's hype, I guess, and that would explain why it is not being covered by the msm.

[Gray Lensman]

I laugh at the way Trump thinks he's a great military genius,lol Talks like he and only he knows how to retake Mosul. I doubt he could even find it on a map. He keeps invoking Patton's name all the time, if Patton was alive I'm sure he'd say "I wouldn't serve under that Tweeting Son of a *%^#@":haha:

:haha:
Thats funny eddie
:haha:

I agree :up:



Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Sun Tzu
This is basic Sun Tzu... something Obama and his flunky political appointee generals obviously know nothing about when broadcasting to ISIS where and when they are going to strike. (example Mosul). At least Trump has military advisors on his side that really do understand the Art of War and how you apply it even to organizations like ISIS. With his advisors we might ACTUALLY be able to stomp ISIS into the first century where they belong.

i.e. In laymen's terms Keeping quiet about where and when you plan to strike your enemy is supposed to be a basic military tenet.

I'm actually surprised to read such ridiculing posts on a wargame site even if it is a political comment thread. :down:

[Oberon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSts2s4ba4

[AVGWarhawk]

Ok, what's going on here? Lynch 'Pleads Fifth' on Secret Iran 'Ransom' Payments (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/attorney-general-lynch-pleads-fifth-secret-iran-ransom-payments/)

Is this for real? I did a news sweep and it is only showing up on right wing news outlets, so is this really happening and CNN is not covering it? Or is it some right wing hype? :o

Edit: it is reported by the Daily Mail, (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3885328/Loretta-Lynch-pleads-fifth-avoid-answering-questions-1-7bn-payments-Iran.html) I guess someone will tell me they are the UK equivalent of Fox News? But, did she invoke her constitutional right to avoid incriminating herself? The US Attorney General? Wth??

Whatever the case, Lynch should recuse herself from her position. Everything she touches really gets a bad odor.

[Bilge_Rat]

Lynch has not plead the 5th, but didn't answer questions from congress about it stating she is barred from disclosing to the public, so I assume they would have to implement some closed hearings on the matter....

exactly, she did not plead the Fifth, merely refused to answer written questions, which she could legally do for any number of reasons.

GOP politicians running for re-election are making the claim she "plead the Fifth"...

i.e. politics as usual..about on par with Reid claiming Comey broke the law...:haha:

[Mr Quatro]

This is basic Sun Tzu... something Obama and his flunky political appointee generals obviously know nothing about when broadcasting to ISIS where and when they are going to strike. (example Mosul). At least Trump has military advisors on his side that really do understand the Art of War and how you apply it even to organizations like ISIS. With his advisors we might ACTUALLY be able to stomp ISIS into the first century where they belong.

i.e. In laymen's terms Keeping quiet about where and when you plan to strike your enemy is supposed to be a basic military tenet.

I'm actually surprised to read such ridiculing posts on a wargame site even if it is a political comment thread. :down:

Sorry I offended you Gray, but I also think along with many other non-democrats (I am republican) that Trump doesn't have what it takes to be the next commander in chief. Just his wanting to bring back the torture of water-boarding is one example.

As for Mosul you can't hide anything going on in the desert, isis has spies, Iraq has spies, the logistical effort alone must have taken months.

I'm sorry Gray, but we have better war college people right here on subsim than Donald Trump has for advisors.

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now about:https://www.google.com/search?q=Lynch&rlz=1C1AOHY_enUS708US714&oq=Lynch&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.6782j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I had to look it up, because from what she has been saying lately about FBI director Comey ... I thought her maiden name was Mob, but it's not :D

Loretta Elizabeth Lynch is the 83rd and current Attorney General of the United States, having previously served as United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York. Wikipedia
Born: May 21, 1959 (age 57), Greensboro, NC
Spouse: Stephen Hargrove (m. 2007)
Party: Democratic Party
Office: United States Attorney General since 2015
Previous offices: United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York (2010–2015), More
Education: Harvard College, Harvard Law School, Harvard University

[Onkel Neal]

exactly, she did not plead the Fifth, merely refused to answer written questions, which she could legally do for any number of reasons.

GOP politicians running for re-election are making the claim she "plead the Fifth"...

i.e. politics as usual..about on par with Reid claiming Comey broke the law...:haha:


In that case, the fault of hyping the issue lies with the right wing press, imo.

[AVGWarhawk]

[QUOTE=Mr Quatro;2443683]Sorry I offended you Gray, but I also think along with many other non-democrats (I am republican) that Trump doesn't have what it takes to be the next commander in chief. Just his wanting to bring back the torture of water-boarding is one example.

Nothing but talk on water boarding.

As for Mosul you can't hide anything going on in the desert, isis has spies, Iraq has spies, the logistical effort alone must have taken months.
I'm sorry Gray, but we have better war college people right here on subsim than Donald Trump has for advisors.

When I think of these parts of the world it always reminds me of British Red Coats wearing red coats as they marched through the woodland of North America.


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now about:https://www.google.com/search?q=Lynch&rlz=1C1AOHY_enUS708US714&oq=Lynch&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.6782j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I had to look it up, because from what she has been saying lately about FBI director Comey ... I thought her maiden name was Mob, but it's not :D

Her new name should be, "Resigned".

[Oberon]

Sorry I offended you Gray, but I also think along with many other non-democrats (I am republican) that Trump doesn't have what it takes to be the next commander in chief. Just his wanting to bring back the torture of water-boarding is one example.

As for Mosul you can't hide anything going on in the desert, isis has spies, Iraq has spies, the logistical effort alone must have taken months.

I'm sorry Gray, but we have better war college people right here on subsim than Donald Trump has for advisors.



Bingo, Daesh was smart enough to take Mosul, they're smart enough to know that we'll come back to take it from them.
If anyone needs to get a bit of a kicking, this un-named chap from the Pentagon needs it since he gave out more detail back in Feb than most people were expecting:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/19/centcom-details-plan-for-retaking-mosul/

But yeah, there's no element of surprise to be lost in talking about Mosul since there was no element of surprise in the first place. However, sure, there are things that would have caused harm to the attack if they had been released, proper details of what unit is attacking from where and at exactly what time, but none of those details have been released by the US government.

Think of Mosul as being like France, Daesh, like the Germans, knew that an attack was coming...they knew that the Allies will want to retake the area, but they don't know where that attack will come from or how. The Germans were not surprised strategically, but they were surprised tactically.


http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-10-24/about-mosul-offensive-did-element-surprise-ever-matter

[AVGWarhawk]

And this is quiet on the back burner....

The interim director of a key body to help Democrats get elected, Donna Brazile, has resigned as a political commentator at CNN amid allegations she funneled at least one debate question last spring to longtime political ally Hillary Clinton.

Leaked emails by WikiLeaks from an account of Clinton campaign manager John Podesta suggested Brazile shared questions with the Clinton campaign before a CNN-sponsored Democratic debate and a voter town hall, when she was beating back a determined Democratic primary challenge from Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

The release was an embarrassment to CNN and gave fuel to complaints by Republican Donald Trump, Clinton’s presidential rival, that the press was biased against him.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cnn-drops-hillary-clinton-ally-donna-brazile-2016-10-31?siteid=rss&rss=1


The corruption never ceased to amaze and disgust me. Daily we get fed more information that shows there are many many rotten to the core.

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile.....whose Halloween mask is a bestseller? :)

http://i.imgur.com/HZTX2Jf.jpg

[Skybird]

Meanwhile.....whose Halloween mask is a bestseller? :)

http://i.imgur.com/HZTX2Jf.jpg
Yes, those horror clown masks and related incidents make for some really scary halloween this year. Stephen King is said to write a sequel to his bestselling novel about Pennywise, working title is "Them".

[eddie]

"The corruption never ceased to amaze and disgust me. Daily we get fed more information that shows there are many many rotten to the core.[/QUOTE]

Glad you said there were many rotten to the core, which includes Trump,lol
Seems like if a court wants him to produce records for a trial, including emails, he is notorious for shredding documents AND deleting emails!! Who would have thought that Trump would do anything like that!!!!!!!!!!!:haha::haha:

"Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records."

And that goes back to 1973. What is he hiding? He is a total POS!!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-missing-emails/ar-AAjDm2V

[AVGWarhawk]

"The corruption never ceased to amaze and disgust me. Daily we get fed more information that shows there are many many rotten to the core.

Glad you said there were many rotten to the core, which includes Trump,lol
Seems like if a court wants him to produce records for a trial, including emails, he is notorious for shredding documents AND deleting emails!! Who would have thought that Trump would do anything like that!!!!!!!!!!!:haha::haha:

"Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records."

And that goes back to 1973. What is he hiding? He is a total POS!!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-missing-emails/ar-AAjDm2V[/QUOTE]


A lot of companies do this. Big difference here is these companies were not dealing with top secret information.

[Onkel Neal]

And this is quiet on the back burner....




http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cnn-drops-hillary-clinton-ally-donna-brazile-2016-10-31?siteid=rss&rss=1


The corruption never ceased to amaze and disgust me. Daily we get fed more information that shows there are many many rotten to the core.

WikiLeaks had previously revealed that Brazile had emailed John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman, in March about her access to questions that would be asked at CNN-sponsored primary debates. “From time to time I get the questions in advance,” she told Podesta on March 12. She added, “I’ll send a few more.”

I was just reading that. Man, the main stream media, :nope:

Brazile, in an interview with Fox News host Megyn Kelly last week, denied that she had received a debate question about the death penalty in advance. She said she would not be “persecuted” by Kelly.

No end to the corruption in this campaign. Did the Clinton campaign report this breech of etiquette? No, they used it to their advantage. Yes, the system is rigged.

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The networks had said they expected to resume their relationship with Brazile after the election.

[Mr Quatro]

Donna Brazile (spelled wrong from quote)

Donna Brazile
Chair of the Democratic National Committee
Acting
Incumbent
Assumed office
July 28, 2016

Very important name to remember in the next coming weeks :yep:

When the democrats win November 8th they may be having to make a major decision by January 20th on who represents the party in the White House.

Is that too vague?

[mapuc]

After again been reading a post where someone was angry about the Voting machine had changed this person vote

I started to wonder-do these voting machine only change it from Trump to Clinton or does it also change to voting the other way around ?

Markus

[Skybird]

After again been reading a post where someone was angry about the Voting machine had changed this person vote

I started to wonder-do these voting machine only change it from Trump to Clinton or does it also change to voting the other way around ?

Markus
Both wrong. These machines turn voters into cloned zombies.

[mapuc]

Both wrong. These machines turn voters into cloned zombies.

Aren't we all zoombies when it comes to election ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Aren't we all zoombies when it comes to election ?

Markus
Me not.

[Rockstar]

Nope, no political party zombies here, never voted in my entire and refuse to affiliate myself with any politcal party.

Though retired from military service I still take my oath of enlistment very seriously.

[AVGWarhawk]

After again been reading a post where someone was angry about the Voting machine had changed this person vote

I started to wonder-do these voting machine only change it from Trump to Clinton or does it also change to voting the other way around ?

Markus

I have not read or heard of any instance of a machine changing Democrat to a Republican vote. Perhaps somewhere but I know of no instance.

[AVGWarhawk]

Donna Brazile (spelled wrong from quote)

Donna Brazile
Chair of the Democratic National Committee
Acting
Incumbent
Assumed office
July 28, 2016

Very important name to remember in the next coming weeks :yep:

When the democrats win November 8th they may be having to make a major decision by January 20th on who represents the party in the White House.

Is that too vague?

Oh you bet your sweet bippy ole Donna will be getting appointed to something under Hillary.

[AVGWarhawk]

I was just reading that. Man, the main stream media, :nope:



No end to the corruption in this campaign. Did the Clinton campaign report this breech of etiquette? No, they used it to their advantage. Yes, the system is rigged.

.

That is a understatement. Another carefully orchestrated campaign of back room dealings. Obama's campaign had the same but more careful with emails. The country has truly become the working class against the ruling class. If Hillary wins, what we once had known will no longer be. I truly feel there is no "nation" or united state at all.

[Oberon]

That is a understatement. Another carefully orchestrated campaign of back room dealings. Obama's campaign had the same but more careful with emails. The country has truly become the working class against the ruling class. If Hillary wins, what we once had known will no longer be. I truly feel there is no "nation" or united state at all.

I don't think that it's any particular party that would make or break such a scenario. The system feeds itself, it doesn't matter the colour of the party in power, the system will always feed itself.
People state their love for Trump because he's not 'PC' or that he's not a 'Political insider', but he's not exactly working class either is he? He's still a member of that top 1%, and he's further into the political machine than people give him credit for, let's not forget that he had a vested interest to wine and dine politicians, to use his economic and social clout to smooth the road for his transactions. How different to a politician is that?
As for him being 'not-PC' well, that depends on which way the wind is blowing, doesn't it? I mean he's changed his position on so many things that it's not hard to believe that his un-PCness is just a deliberate act to appeal to the Alt-Right, and sure enough it's worked and they've taken it hook, line and sinker.

I think the problems don't lie so much at the heart of politics, although they do not help, I think the problems lie at the growing gap between people in different social and economic positions, and those extremes have lead to extremism. Politics only holds a mirror to this problem, it reflects what we have become. I don't think that there is any way to fix the problem in politics without also fixing the problem in society, because the two feed off each other. Some people have called for a revolution, and when I was a younger person I was one of them, but I've taken a look at revolutions and ultimately what they become. Let's not forget a revolution got America where it is today, ok it took over two hundred years to get there, but if there was to be a second revolution eventually down the line there would be calls for a third one and so on and so forth. Revolutions are rarely bloodless too, and it's usually the people who eventually suffer as one dictator is replaced by another and the freedom that the revolutionaries fought for slips through their hands.
I think in this particular instance, the US is probably an exception to the norm in that following its revolution a tyrannical power did not emerge, and for this I have to credit the very smart people who set up the checks and balances in place. That being said, an argument could (and no doubt would) be made that a tyrannical system eventually did emerge and it was the resistance to that system which sparked the civil war. Honestly though, as tyrannical systems go, I think that the American one is probably tyranny-lite zero.

To come back to the point at hand though, yes, things do need to change but I don't think that our society can keep up with the pace that it has set itself. The change that is needed will not happen fast enough to meet the demand for it, and that is going to lead to some ugly scenes. To use an example, our current social structure is completely unequipped to deal with the increasing automation of labour intensive employment. McDonalds is often used as an example of the lowest rung on the ladder, but when McDonalds becomes automated and only requires two or three people per store maximum then where do those workers on the lowest rung go? On to social security of course because there are not enough jobs for under-qualified people. We're seeing the very beginning of this now, but there's a LOT more to come and we're just not ready for it.

In short, yes the system is rigged, the whole system, not just politics, and honestly, I don't see how that is going to change, even with a revolution or mass social upheaval since those with money are always going to be able to protect themselves against those without money just because of the fact that they have money. Short of some colossal civilization collapsing event, the rich will always look after their own, and the fact that they have money will sway people to defend them.

[Onkel Neal]

I voted today, I'm done.